The Joe Rogan Experience - #262 - "Freeway" Rick Ross

Episode Date: September 7, 2012

Joe sits down with "Freeway" Rick Ross.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! You know, rarely in life does it become more evident to me that we are on the wrong fucking track as a culture than when I pick up rolling stone and rolling stone used to have hunter s thompson writing stories about taking acid in vegas and they were spectacular i mean today they still have matt taibbi who breaks down all the reality behind the financial crisis but rolling stone has a guy on it who's really fat and he's covered in tattoos and he's got your name yeah this is the

craziest shit i have ever seen in my life as a human because this at this point is like we're weird man we are a weird fucking species yeah there's nothing weirder than like as if if he hadn't called himself rick ross this shit would have never happened for him. As if. I mean, what kind of faith does that have in your talent? He could change his name right now. He could change his name right now to something else and be just as huge. I mean, how many times has Puff Daddy changed his name?

P. Diddy? And now he's just Diddy? You know, think about that. Well, you know, but his whole image is based on the name. You know, he's built his whole career around this name and he's afraid to change it. That's the thing that some dudes do. Like they'll call themselves Capone. You know, they'll call themselves something fucked up that's like, you know, I'm Tony Montana, motherfucker.

They'll call themselves somebody who actually was a bad motherfucker. Yeah. So when what people don't know, people that aren't motherfucker yeah so when what people don't know people that aren't from my generation um what they don't know is that during this whole iran contra thing that was going on when it became revealed that oliver north that they they were selling illegal guns and there was some drug dealing in the cia in the in the hood that was like admitted and not admitted. It was crazy times. But my point is, you became

a prominent figure on the news. It was a big, high profile case. And before you went to jail, it was very evident who you were. I mean, it was a big case. Yeah, it was. The LA Times once put me on as the Walmart of crack cocaine.

I think that's what he said. Hey, Joe. Oh, sorry. This is Freeway's friend. What is your name again, brother? I'm Rick's attorney. His attorney. Yeah, sir. Antonio. Antonio, thank you. You know, I got to ride with an attorney now.

I hear you, brother. When they pull me over. That's smart. They pull me over. Hey, you. You got the perfect attorney, though. He's young and cool. You know, you lucked out. Joe, we got to remember what year it was. It was 1996. Right.

And the thing is, the guy says that he came up with the name in 96. So in 96, Rick's name is everywhere. I'm talking about globally, everywhere. C-SPAN, congressional hearings, and then the guy says, I imagine it up in 96. That's what he said. He has some cockamamie name or cockamamie description for why he changed the name. But the bottom line is is you had that name first and you were famous so it seems like he would have to change it if he's gonna it's not

his real name so if he's gonna change his name to something else why would he change it into the name of a dude who's already famous who's like i mean if he's if he's pretending that he changed it for some arbitrary reason like someone said something and i said i'm no i'm rick ross the boss you know oh you didn't know there's rick that's like calling yourself you know i'm gonna be mitt romney and he's a professor uh philosopher of of gang and drug culture you know he says that he knows all the drug dealers and all the gang bangers and in in the whole you know the whole nature of the business yeah that's another sticky point's another sticky point. But he didn't know about you. He didn't know about me.

That's crazy. Wikipedia did, though. Yeah. Noriega, Pablo Escobar. Yeah. There was no Wikipedia in 96, unfortunately, though, right? When did he start becoming famous for it? The name.

07. 07? Yeah. Yeah? See, that's when we started to slide. We started falling apart. Last year, the Bush administration. Motherfuckers are losing hope.

They're like, this doesn't even make sense. He's like, fuck it. This can't last. I'm just going to call myself Rick Ross. And boom! Cover of Rolling Stone, kid. That's weird. It's Rolling Stone.

I can't even get a story in there. Why can't they? They won't write a story about you? No, they never wrote about me. I used to write Rolling Stone when I was in prison and try to get them to do a story about the drug war and what was going on in the whole whole night but it's so crazy you know it's like they don't like me but right he can go on with my name with my story and rap on monday night football about selling drugs did he rap on monday Football about selling drugs. Did he rap on Monday Night Football?

Yeah, yeah. He opened for it. Really? What did he do? He did Triumphant with Mariah Carey. Wow. And does he talk about selling drugs in that song? I mean, that's all he talks about.

I didn't hear him do the song, but I mean, everything he raps about is drugs. Really? That's it. Isn't that what people don't know is he used to be a corrections officer. The story gets crazier and crazier. He's like a character in a Will Ferrell movie. He's like some nutty dude that gets exposed that has been putting on this. It's not like he's put on a hustle in 1980 when you had to go to the library to find out about people.

You're trying to put a hustle on in a different time, man. You can't do that anymore. You know, you're trying to put a hustle on in a different time, man. You can't do that anymore. Yeah. Well, you know, our people were so, I don't know, man, so lost that it doesn't matter anymore. You know, you can come up and tell them anything and they go for it. And then once they discover that they've been lied to, they still, you know, kind of like just mosey right on along. No, Rick, tell them how you said he came up with the, how you decided to be a correctional officer in rollerstone they called the big boss no no no

that wasn't that i heard that one in the article itself that you know he says that uh he was eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with his friend his friend got caught for selling dope and the friend's father just tells him the his friend goes away for a long time his friend goes away and the father walks up to him says says, you need to get a job. Become a correctional officer. Yeah. Did you just explain this to me? Like, really recently you told me this?

No, it was in the Rolling Stone. Right. But didn't you explain it to me recently, too? When was the last time I talked to you? Before this came out. Yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

Yeah, I mean. Because I kind of remember that statement. I mean, you think about it, and then you think about it from a level of your son just got arrested for cocaine sales. Two to 20 years. The first thing you're going to say to his friend is, go be his prison guard. Jesus Christ. How crazy is that? Keep him in jail.

You know, they've done those studies. They did a study. I think it was at Stanford where they did a prison guard study where they had students pretend to be prisoners and prison guards and like almost immediately the prison guards became abusive fake study kids just kids i worked as a security guard at great woods it was like a performance arts place in mansfield massachusetts it was like outside of boston it was like all the big concerts would come there, like Bon Jovi and shit.

And I was a security guard there. And I'm not a big dude. And so I was like, someone's going to fuck me up. This is ridiculous. Being in a position of security, well, I mean, I'm just a security guard at a concert place. But I swear to God, within a couple of months of working there, you develop this us versus them mentality. You deal with enough drunken people,

enough craziness that dudes were hitting dudes that guys I'd never thought would hit somebody were hitting people. What's that authority? When you get that authority over somebody and you feel that you have the whole system behind you and that you're right and you can't do wrong. Matter of fact fact a guy

that was uh in custody while he was a guard had called me one day and told me that this guy was one of the worst guards that you could be you know if you had an extra soup he would take it from you oh an extra stamp you know oh you want stamp over oh no and he'd go running to the general. He had an extra stamp. I'm like, what? I want to get a bunch of guys whenever I get a chance. I want to get a bunch of guys that was in jail with him and just get their stories and see.

And then the irony of it all is that you sit there and you're watching the BET Awards and he's hollering out, for all my guys locked up in prison. All the people that I used to tell to shut the fuck up. And then the guys in prison will cry. I mean, you got to stop that guy, man. That's crazy.

Why are you guys letting him do that? Matter of fact, I was with somebody a couple days ago, and they were saying that this guy that he's been rapping about in his songs that's in prison is like, like man the guy messed my appeal up you know i was on appeal and he got on a record and told him everything that i did oh no way oh my god he told his story through rapping what an asshole yeah and and also even rick ross knows what he did he fucked up his appeal that's ridiculous man they say he did uh the the he did a documentary on the guys in mi that were supposed to have been drug dealers.

And some of those guys are like, man, he should have never did that. He never got our permission. He never asked us. Wow. And now those guys are exposed. Exposed. Did you hear that Griselda Blanco got assassinated the other day? Yeah, I heard that.

You know who she is, huh? Yeah. Of course. It's business. It's business. You know who all the key players day? Yeah, I heard that. You know who she is, huh? Yeah. Of course. It's business. It's business. You know who all the key players are? Yeah, yeah. Griselda Blanco was the old lady in Cocaine Cowboys.

Oh, yeah. That fucking... Oh, you weren't with me in Florida. No. Billy Corbin, the guy who's the director of it, came to one of the shows. He's a fucking cool guy. The amazing thing is she stayed alive

after going to war with Carlos Escobar. She killed everybody. That chick is responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people. But they eventually got her somewhere. Well, you know, that's what happens, though, when you start that black market on drugs or with anything. You know, you give that power and the ability to make so much money that it just corrupts people. I mean, you know, from all walks of life. I don't think nobody's immune to it.

And doesn't that work the same way with fame like this? I mean, it's very similar. Like, what's happening to him? Yeah. I mean, that's very corrupting as well, right? It'll make you bullshit your way through a story in order to keep your money coming in. I had to do a lot of research for this case.

I actually read an interesting article by a sister. It was an interview with a sister and she said he's lost in this image. He believes he's Rick Ross. Yeah, he does. That's crazy. When we took his deposition down in Miami was the first time that me and him Wow Yeah he does I mean even when we That's crazy We went

We took his deposition Down in Miami Was the first time That me and him Was face to face In a room together I mean he rolled his eyes He gave me a finger

What He gave you the finger How long ago is this Oh man it was about Four or five months ago At least That is ridiculous So it's after you did

This podcast Yeah Yeah it was after We did the podcast That's hilarious He gave you the finger What is he 12 Who the fuck Gives someone the finger Have you ever done that ridiculous so it's after you did this podcast yeah yeah it was after we did the podcast hilarious he gave you the finger what is he 12 who the fuck gives someone the finger have you ever done that like fuck you man you know what time you do this and you're in your car and you gotta go yes and

then what's funny is you go after krishan who's like a little five foot four white woman it's like who did he go after what did he do i don't know what that is oh she's like mtv uh b host what happened she said something like about rick ross and then she he was like claiming that he Who did he go after? What did he do? Krishan, the MTV. I don't know what that is. Oh, she's like MTV B-host. What happened? She said something like about Rick Ross, and then he was like claiming that he was going to be violent against her. Really? But when the kingpin's in the room, it's kind of like. Wow, he gave you the finger though, huh?

Yeah. That alone's a victory. When a grown man looks at you and you don't say shit to him and he has to give you the finger, like, come on, you silly bitch. Yeah, but he's such a, I don't know. know you know his album flopped this time did it but he's on the cover rolling stone but i don't think you can you can have a flopped album and still go on the cover rolling really if if uh i'm gonna call my agent if you buy it if you buy it if you buy the cover i think all this oh you buy it i think you buy it now. It's not about being good or being successful.

It's about can you pay for it now. It's amazing that today, in 2012, this image that he's projecting of his underwear and then his pants halfway buckledled halfway down his underwear was big fat belly hanging out like what are we doing in 2012 we're fucking crazy yeah it's funny it's funny rick talked about rolling stone because spin magazine did an article on rick that was i mean rick freeway rick that was on the cover all week this weekend spin did this yeah he was on the cover spins a great magazine there's some great exposes in there And they did a piece on the rapper called Master of His Own Reality. And they talked about how he's taking the criminal black man image and just perpetuating it. Just using it to sell an image of himself that isn't true.

Because he came from a good home. Right. So he's basically like a character. He's doing like an Andrew Dice Clay character. Totally. I don't know if he's doing a pure character. I think he's doing a copy of Rick. I think that he's doing a copy based on...

He's way fatter than you. He's not trying to look like you at all. You're not covered with tattoos. He's covered with tattoos. We say I look like I'm on crack. You look like a healthy man. You look like a guy who's probably going to live to be 100 years old. It's people that are really big and fat that are fucked man that your your heart is

pushing extra hard for that shit son how much cardio are you doing yeah well you know when you when you got when you got those people behind you you know with that money they put some money in your pocket and yeah you feel like you're gonna live forever you know if money will keep me alive and i'm good well that that certainly would happen to a lot of these guys but it's also i think he's gonna stuck with what got him to the dance and that's just bullshitting he's just gonna bullshit bullshit until he slides into a wall you know i mean he's just gonna keep going while he's in motion he's just gonna keep bullshitting yeah i mean why would he tell the truth he's not gonna say listen here's the deal man well you know i wonder how come when the guy goes on radio stations and the host you know they never you know because

i heard him on a couple radio stations. They never asked him, man, why did you take this guy's name? Well, he's a big guy. He kind of mad dogs people. I've seen him mad dogs some people that have tried to ask him some things about you. And he gets real loud about it. And it's uncomfortable to be around a dude that big who's pissed off, you know. Yeah.

The only thing I will say to you, Joe, is that I think we've been doing like a viral campaign of truth and if you read the rolling stone article he spends a lot of time talking about things that are uncomfortable for him correctional officer playing football things that he's never talked about i totally didn't even plan on reading this shit i just got it and i said i have to bring it in because i knew that rick was coming in he talks about playing football and we believe it's because we brought up the fact that when we called the school, they didn't have a record of him playing football. And look at this here. So he never played football either? Check this out.

Check this out. Let me just say. Go ahead. I mean, we reached out to athletic director, and they said that they don't have him on the roster. For the whole 90s, they don't have a William Roberts. Nothing. I mean, I would love to see the roster in a picture. I'll tell you a lot about that, too.

Why would that be surprising? Check this here out. Have you ever heard of an All-American football player without one picture with a uniform on? I don't know. I wouldn't be able to tell you. How possible is that? I think it's impossible to be an All-American football player.

It seems like they take a lot of pictures of those guys. Man. But not have one picture anywhere in the world. But how old is he supposed to be? Is he supposed to be like 40? How old is he? 35? He graduated in 96.

He graduated in 96. So he's about 37? Is that what that is? 36? Maybe. He seems like he's fucking crazy. He seems like he's just some dude who figured out a good good hustle and he's just riding it yeah yeah he is but he's definitely definitely uh crazy i mean you know they just spent 1.3 million dollars fighting me in court to keep

my name really that's what they said they paid attorneys now um how did you what did what did you do to defend yourself did you defend yourself on your own? Because you know a lot about law. Yeah, but I had good attorneys with me. You brought him as well. We have a firm, Yossi and Nessie, that's been helping us and then myself, a lot of research. You know, really this thing is going to come down to whether or not he starts to understand that we're not going away. So they essentially try to, like, spend so much money that they sort of drown you in bullshit. Oh, they did.

They worked the hell out of my attorneys. I'm talking about a couple, what, like three months straight? We was in depositions every day. Wow. How is this? Again, what a crazy world we live in. How could that even take three months? They got nine attorneys. But that's amazing, isn't it? Again, what a crazy world we live in. How could that even take three months? How could that take –

They got nine attorneys. But that's amazing, isn't it? If you really stop and think about the absurdity of that, that they would spend months on that. They would spend months on this is his name. No, that's his name. Okay, that's it. We're done here. It seems like that would take three seconds.

It just shows you how mad we are. We're like a mad culture. You know, you would think that with this guy that once they sent him a bill for $200,000, he would say, well, what's going on here? But then, no, they sent him a bill for $500,000, and he still doesn't say what's going on here. Then they sent him a bill for $600,000. He still doesn't. We up to $1.3 million, and this guy haven't said, hey, you know what? Let's sit down and talk about selling this case. It seems like he could have just we up to 1.3 million dollars and this guy haven't said hey you know what let's sit down and talk about selling this case you know it seems like he could have just given

you that money or offered and then changed his name yeah we got a foundation freeway literacy foundation you know have him be part of that how much would he would you take that and then just drop everything no no no no i like to laugh all right how How much would it cost to let him use your name? We don't have a license fee yet. There's no license fee. Yet. Okay. So essentially, let's say the dude loses in court, but he wants to continue to call himself Rick Ross.

And plus, I guess he has to compensate you for the use of it. If he loses in court, he can forget it. Really? If he wins in court, then... Like, where are you at right now? How many times have you guys been before a judge? Wait, say that one more time. How many times have you guys been before a judge?

How many times have there been... Should I say, have there been rulings? There's been really, like, two rulings. Two rulings. Three rulings. Three rulings. What'd they say? And what essentially happened was Rick first decided to go for...

Freeway Rick decided to go to federal court. And when he went to federal court, it's not the best place because California has so much better protections for I guess you could say personality rights, name rights. So federal court said, go take it to California. There's a better place to hear it there.

Came to California and first we sued Universal because Universal is the home of Def Jam. The judge said Rick was late in filing against Universal. But Warner Brothers did a new deal with the rapper William Roberts, Rosé, last year. And as a result, we're not – Now, that's him as well?

Rosé is him? Rosé is the same person. Why does he have a bunch of different names? Maybe – I don't know. Well, after we filed a suit, he changed it from Rick Ross to Rick Rosé. Oh. He didn't change it. He started using it.

But still, the thing is, so much value has been put in it. Let me start off by saying there's a video of Lyor Cohen, the president of Warner, talking about a fast-forward model. His name is Lyor? Lyor, L-Y-O-R. And he talks about something called a fast-forward model. liar at leor leor l-y-o-r and he talks about something called a fast forward model they don't want to develop artists anymore so essentially they try to fast forward them and what i what essentially happened we believe is that that the labels looked at the fact that this rick ross was untapped and they and they and they realized we could just put an artist out and there's already like a name yeah and so he said

that the name came out from him in 96 but it really was like 2007 when he started working yeah wow it's a crazy case man i don't know what it would be like walking around where there's another man who has my name oh man it's it's awful people call you and and to book you and they don't know if you him or you you know it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's confusion. It's fucking weird. But at the same time, it's, it's, you know, I just want him to stop. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, why you got to take my name? You know, I built this name and he had had some crazy, he was with funk master flex and they said some crazy stuff like I should be

happy that he kept me alive. And, and even with that, if the guy would come out and admit that he took the name would be a little more comforting. You know, but when you sit here and lie to me, you know, it just makes it where I'm like, you know, man, this guy here is totally full of. So are you in appeal right now? Like, where do you stand? We're actually in process of deposing possibly Leroy Cohen and Sean Combs. We're moving forward with trial against Warner Brothers. The judge ruled in our favor as far as Warner Brothers cannot take a statute of limitations out to get out of the case. And so we're moving forward against Warner Brothers to trial.

Wow. Whoa, that's crazy. Now, what I will say is that there's two fundamental differences with what Rick Ross has done with Freeway Rick versus 50 cents or jay-z with jazz oh and the first being that this is his birth name uh-huh you know when you take somebody's birth name especially somebody like rick you essentially can create confusion when you walk in the room because they don't it's not a nickname they're not going to clear it up they're gonna be like just how many people walk in the room and say i'm stanley roberts that's just not their name right so and the second thing is that rick's name let's explain what you meant by that though because a lot of people don't know what you meant by jay-z and jazzo jazzo was a famous like neighborhood rapper

where jay-z lived and then jay-z became jay-z and it's sort of he kind of like copied that dude's yeah 50 cent is there was a bank robber but these are like neighborhood names and like right name was in time magazine yeah you know r Rick's name was in Time Magazine. Yeah. You know, Rick Ross was in Time Magazine in 2001, the name. You know, it was a congressional hearings, Dateline. This isn't a name that needed to be built up. So when Rick gets out, he's getting approached by Nick Cassavetti, Ari Emanuel, Jeff Berg, the top people in Hollywood.

He doesn't need the rapper to build his name up. It's just also crazy because you know that he says that he's uh an expert on on the culture so it's it's it's insane articles there's an article look there's an article where he says in oh one i mean i'm sorry oh six this is the rapper show and prove xxl he says it's rumored that the guy started the crips then you come out with the song with uh jay-z and dre three kings where he says my cousin was a crip heard it was a seat thing it's like come on man i mean how much you're gonna do to copy the man's life i mean there are no i don't i don't think there's many crips walking around florida wow so strange it's a strange strange thing to like lock onto that i wonder what his

mindset is i wonder if he just feels like he's got something successful and fucking why mess with what's good. You know, I'm just going to keep driving until the wheels fall off. Yeah. Well, you, well, you know, but, but I mean, any rational person would come and say, you know what, I've done good off of this person. You know, they've helped me get here. Let me go to the table and, and, and square this up. You know, let me, let me make right what I made wrong because this up uh-huh you know let me let me make right what i made wrong because by right he should have came to me and and and said something to me from the beginning right had had i not been in jail he never would have done this right you know he never would have came and took my name had i not been in jail and been under the restraints that i was

under and for folks who don't know we talked about about this the last time you were here, but for folks who don't know, he thought you were in jail for life, but you, because of reading different legal arguments in jail, you realized that the three strikes rule did not apply to your case because two of the things were consecutive. Is that correct? Exactly.

Concurrent. Concurrent. Excuse me. So he thought, like a lot of people did, that you were in jail for life. That was what that was what it was supposed to be. Him in the labels. Yeah. What was all in the newspaper that I had a life sentence. So it's like if you try to call yourself John Gotti, you know, he's dead.

You know, you get away with it. Well, I mean, why would I want to be? I mean, why would I want to be John Gotti? I mean, aren't you proud to be who you are? You know, can't you be yourself? I mean, you're never going to make your family's name. I mean, all I ever wanted in life was to take my name and put my name in lights, not me go out and put Joe Rogan. I mean, what does that do for me? You know, how does that satisfy my crave and and my needs he's actually a second

that's what's all right well maybe he just thinks that's the only way he could do it i mean he thinks that there was like you know what's the difference i mean but accomplishing something for me accomplishing something yeah i mean that you actually go out and accomplish something not where i mean you know if you cheat and get it, did you really accomplish it? No, I agree with you. I think anyone rational agrees with you. But there's people that feel like they can't make it without cheating. They can't make it without stealing.

They can't make it without lying. They can't do it, so they just do it. And that's what they do. The normal go-to mode is to be full of shit and then just exist that way. That's a lot of people, man. That's what it's just. And that's one of the reasons I think that our country is in such bad shape right now because we're in a mode of fake it till you make it. Yeah.

You know, and if you don't make it, keep faking it. I got a whole bit of my act I'm doing now. We're trying to explain Kim Kardashian to an alien. You know, it's like you look at how ridiculous our culture like really is now. Try to try explaining Snooki to someone from another planet. Try explaining this Rick Ross thing. You would you would go crazy. And then the other part of it is just to realize, you know, when you say Rick Ross, you're talking about the Iran-Contra scandal and really important part of American history.

Right. Yeah. And for him to come out and do that, he dilutes, he confuses the story. So it kind of, it hurts the product in a lot of ways. It hurts history. Yes. Yeah. It's confusing to people. You know, you're, you're clouding it out.

And then if someone goes back and reads Rick Ross, like, what's this, this, this, what's this guy? Who's this? I ran Contra. What the fuck is he with the rapper? Is that the rapper? Yeah. And then it's just, what did they have the same name? Like there's some dudes who are born. The name is Ray he? With the rapper? Is that the rapper? Yeah. And then just, what, do they have the same name?

Like, there's some dudes who are born, their name is Ray Charles. Like, good fucking luck with that. That's retarded. You got to change your fucking name. Because there's already a Ray Charles, man. You can't, you know what I mean? Well, that's one thing if your mom named you that. Yeah, but you got to change it.

You name yourself? You got to come up with a nickname. You know, it's ridiculous. You got to name yourself today. That's really ridiculous. It's so stupid. Can you imagine if you're a young basketball player and you try to call yourself Michael Jordan? I'm Michael Jordan.

What the fuck are you talking about, man? There's already a Michael Jordan. Like, people are crazy. This is just more evidence that we're completely losing our minds. No, but the thing you gotta realize is what about this on purpose because you want you want to walk in that room and get that interest well i think he probably started it out when he didn't have as much of uh an understanding of how quick information transfers but it seems to have worked enough that he's on the cover

rolling stone with all these fucking diamonds so there had to be some benefit to it for him. Oh, absolutely. He's covered in diamonds. Absolutely. Well, he knew that basically in the streets, you know, because I basically hid from people. You know, people didn't see me. They didn't get to know me. So nobody really knew what I looked like.

So when he came out, they just had heard the name the name was ingrained in people's mind and and people just gravitated to the name you know i had and almost in an abstract way without even really remembering the case it was almost like do you do you know you know uh fucking mayor uh what's his name uh noriega do you know what noriega actually did most people don't but that name noriega it sticks yeah you know it's a name because it's been out there so many times you heard it he's actually counting on people to not know oh absolutely absolutely and that's that's how he's benefiting right now because people still don't know because people are starting to uh

matter of fact we did a photo shoot a couple weeks ago from a guy who was from london he's from the netherlands from netherlands and he was saying when he came over there they booed him oh shit yeah they actually booed him on the stage because they know what's up when was this how long ago was this uh maybe about a month ago oh shit but you know our podcast has legs in netherlands but you know they're not gonna put that on the news yeah of course not man well that won't make the cover of rolling stones this uh this what you're doing now is coming on podcasts and putting shit and i've seen a lot of your other interviews that you've got online and you know you're you are spelling it out calmly rationally non-emotionally you know you're just spelling it and it's and you're saying the same fucking thing every time and then you see when people try to corner him on it it's like this weird awkward mad dog moment

where it just kind of gets loud that well you know we're not about all that you know moving on something else now we're about money we're talking about money oh rude jude said he asked him about uh uh the price of of an ounce and he said what he said this is before though this is yeah this is like oh seven oh eight yeah when he was rude you'd say he asked him about uh the price of an ounce of cocaine and he was what did he say he got real healthy yeah he said the guy didn't know the price and rude said he didn't really know because rude i don't know about no cocaine so just fuck with him and see what's i'm just asking you he wasn't he thought that he really knew he thought that he was really me.

Right. At that time, you know. Right. So he expected him to give you an answer. You know, somebody come in and say they're a butcher. You're going to ask them about me. You know, somebody asked me, man, what was the ounce of cocaine going for? I could just, you know, just right off the top of the head because I lived it.

You know, I was there. But, you know, somebody who hasn't done it, then, you know, it's total a payoff to them. So he got caught quick. That was a pretty easy question. I'm sure that he can get caught more often. But, you know, right now, I mean, media is not media anymore. I mean, it's not about reporting the truth. That's why it's so good that, you know, people like you are doing the podcast and the Internet, you know, because right now with the mainstream media, man, they're all bought and paid for.

It's done, isn't it? CNN can go suck it. Yeah. They're done. They're all done. I mean, if you listen to the radio, you're going to hear 10 songs over and over again, you know, the same 10 songs over and over again. The shocking thing, though, is the news. The news really is is shocking there's a lot of shit that just doesn't get described and the way it's the way it's explained is like it's very off like try getting the real scoop on

wiki leaks from watching the news you don't know what the fuck is going on they don't give us bbc yeah bbc is like some good news bbc is great you know what's also great al jazeera al jazeera is pretty honest news you know there's there's people Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is pretty honest news. You know, there's people in other countries that still look at the news and they look at journalism like they have an obligation

to show the uncomfortable truth. And that's why I think that Brandon Soderbergh, the guy at Spin Magazine, shout out to him because he did a really good job of getting his piece out. And what's funny,

he puts it in Spin Magazine and makes the cover. We didn't know it was going to be on the cover. Right. And then the next morning, Costa Rica times runs it of all places, the Costa Rica times.

Wow. Yeah. Other countries, they can still tell the news as long as it's not about drug dealers that are local. You can tell the news about other shit. You know, it's,

it's, it's a sad statement to where, how far we've fallen as a country that you just watch propaganda on TV. What I want the people to be dumb, you know it's it's it's a sad statement to where how far we've fallen as a country that you just watch propaganda on tv well they want the people to be dumb you know the people are dumb and and and and you know just following what what they say followed and you know it's easy for them to control what's what's going on you know well it's this mitt romney guy is terrifying this mitt romney guy is not even a real human being. It's the strangest thing. He seems like he's from the 50s.

Like straight out of the 50s. Transported him. Those old DAs. Father knows best. The DA. What are you kids doing today? You're not getting into any trouble, are you? Yeah.

He doesn't seem like a real human. He sat down with some guy who was a gay Vietnam veteran. And the guy asked him about gay rights. And he probably didn't think the dude was a veteran. And, you know, just said he wasn't into, like, gay people being married. And then the guy just trashed him after he left. It was great. It was beautiful.

But it was awkward watching Mitt romney communicate with him he's just so awkward dude it's like when you hear him see him talking to somebody he's like do you interact with anybody like who are you interacting with yeah like he's in iraq he's like in some fucking silver room you know counting diamonds and he occasionally has one of his uh minions will come in and ask questions i mean this, this guy, he was really, really, really rich. Like $100 million rich. He's a fucking stupid rich guy. So he's awkward talking to regular folks.

When was the last time he's been a regular dude, out there going to Subway, buying a sandwich and shit? He's an odd duck. And that's what we need. We need some regular people, people who are out here dealing with real life situations that know, you know, that gas costs money, you know.

It's like a lot of times these people don't understand that we have real problems out here on the streets. You know, that there's people that have to ride the bus. The funny thing also was to watch the difference between the two conventions. Like, when you watch the Republican convention it was awkward. You heard about what they did to the reporter the cnn reporter

no they threw peanuts at her and called her an animal what yeah black cnn reporter what is it on camera uh i don't know if it's on camera but it was everywhere it was everywhere in the news holy shit i vaguely remember skimming through something like that but i had to run out the door so when you say yes cnn reporter peanuts so so when you say it's awkward you just look at the democratic like platform and the democratic convention was like like all accepting yeah that's a wow cnn camera woman had nuts thrown at her at the gop whoa that's insane absolutely insane Antonio is like an encyclopedia. If something happens, he knows about it.

That's pretty intense. That's the only saving grace of the liberal party is that they're much more for equality, whether it's sexual equality, racial equality. The problem is when they start doing the same shit with corporations they start accepting giant amounts of money and then they they're both they're both basically beholden to the same people at the top but you benefit socially when democrats are in you know well you know that's our whole system right now everybody's being being paid for you know by big corporations it's staggering it really is staggering when you stop and think about it that you know you look at the amount of money that's donated to campaigns and

you look at some of the things that people have said that they would do before they got in the office then you find out what they're really going to do it's like they they really it's not they don't really have a say you know i mean obama if you could get obama and he could do whatever the fuck he wanted to and everybody just had to listen do you think he would run things this way i say no fucking way i say there's an idealistic young college student inside that guy's head he's too close to that he's too young too young too smart too articulate you got to know that at one point in time there was a dude who was you know kicking back who was hoping for a better world now here he he is, finger on the trigger, and he can't get nothing done. That's when you know.

Maybe his finger wasn't on the trigger. Yeah, he can't. He can't put it on the trigger. He can't really. He can see it. I don't think they have a say. I think it's just like being a sitcom character. I think you get in there, and then they tell you what the fuck you're going to do.

And it's not one person pulling the shots. I think that's why they killed JFK. He tried to get crazy. JFK just decided to say, listen, I'm going to fix things. I'm going to run things the right way. I'm going to get rid of this federal bank. I'm going to do that. And they were like, what?

You're out of here. Get in that fucking car, stupid. We're going to get rid of you. Yeah, you're not doing it. This is a money grab. It's not really all about running the country. It's about making a fuckload of money and running the country while you make a fuckload of money but you know what what they gotta understand that

if eventually if the money doesn't trickle down to the normal people if the normal people keep living in the conditions that they're living in that that revolution is going to come you know i mean they seen it happen in all these other countries, you know, which they help. Well, that's why they keep passing these new laws. That's what all these National Defense Authorization Act and the ability to impound people without having to give them due legal process, all that stuff that they're doing right now and passing through law is to just prepare for civil unrest, prepare to do things legally because somebody wrote it on paper, something that's absolutely immoral. So that's what they're preparing to do.

They're preparing to do everything the same way Bahrain is doing it, the same way Saudi Arabia is doing it. I mean, we have to look at all these places like Egypt and Libya. You have to look at that and go, worst case scenario, someone could go fucking crazy here too. I got this crazy crazy and an email and it had a pdf in there and it was from city bank and it was about it was it was a pdf that only was sent to elite clients and it was basically telling them how to manage their money in amidst chaos because chaos is coming it's a specific name for it i have to look at my emails but it was just talking about like the percentage chances of this happening or that happening what the fuck that's just so it's so

hard to wrap your head around the fact that that might be our future like that every culture you know since the look go to the go to the roman empire and go look at all those broken down buildings how come they never kept up those buildings? How come people didn't keep living in them? How come we... Because the whole thing fell apart. Yeah. There was nothing left. I mean, the whole thing just shattered into the rocks, and it had to rebuild itself with time.

And that keeps happening over and over again to people. We get to this point where we get super greedy, and we have a lot of money and a lot of resources, and the people at the top just hoard over that shit, and then, then boom it hits the rocks yeah you know like one 100 million is gone yeah be less if you lose five thousand i mean five million dollars or 200 million you know you know you're not living any better you know you can't there's only so many cars you can drive and so many houses you can live in they say after 40

million dollars that your life never changes well i think what happens though is that people get crazy and then they it becomes like a mad game to them they can never have enough chips you know they just want to keep just i i know people that are rich that still get fucking jazzed up about making money they still get fired up about it i don't i don't i don't understand it you know like you do when you want to like if you were bill gates wouldn't you want to just chill? There's no way you're going to spend all that money. But for him, he's got this empire thing in his head. He gets off on controlling all these different operating systems,

having all these computers, having this giant market share, conquering and moving forward and creating new technology and creating new Xboxes and shit. The dude's still pushing it. It amazing you know those guys get addicted he could he could retire a hundred people he's got billions of dollars man but that's assuming that money's gonna be worth anything you know i mean try to get a hold of some roman money what's that shit worth if it's gold if it's gold. If it's gold. It's worth a lot.

Back then when they didn't have anything, there was no cars, there was no TV. People still agreed on gold. You can get me some of that shiny yellow shit. Gold or the white lines. Back then it was probably poppy seeds and shit.

Poppy plants. And the leaves. Yeah. They've been chewing those leaves for years. Oh, the coca leaves. Yeah. Well, which is a really healthy way to do it, they say. For high altitude people in Peru, they, or, you know, you say Peru, if you want to impress a chick, you know how to say it right? When you're in Peru.

White guys that talk like with authentic Spanish accents are annoying as fuck. But anyway, you get a hold of those cocoa leaves and you chew it. And apparently it's better than coffee. White guys that talk with authentic Spanish accents are annoying as fuck. But anyway, you get a hold of those cocoa leaves and you chew it. And apparently it's better than coffee. Yeah. And just as healthy. And it actually gives you like alkaloids and it gives you some minerals and shit. And phytonutrients from eating the plants, the leaves, like chewing it up.

So it really is like not bad for you. It's just when you turn it into cocaine. Yeah. That's when shit gets freaky. The person who that out yeah who's that asshole started this whole fucking problem you could have just been a coco leaf dealer and everybody would be fine if it was legal see people don't understand if coco leaves were legal we really have no problem as long as nobody processed that and turned that shit into cocaine it's a great thing to have. You can make tea out of it. It gives you a lot of energy. You can chew the leaves. Or even if they had

dispensaries back then. Yeah. Cocoa leaves dispensaries. If they had a weed dispenser, would you have gone into that? Oh, absolutely. Really? That's the way to do it, right? Yeah. Everybody's going to be fine that way. It's when you get robbed by non-weed smoking people.

When they know that you got money and weed there. The real problem is getting robbed. Rob you and put you in jail. That's the bad part. That's what I was going to say. We're going to take your money, your weed, and put you in jail. That's what a lot of people don't realize is that happens a lot. When they rob you, they take your money.

The cops come. They steal all the plants, and they take all your money. And they don't ever have to give it back. You're never going to get that shit back. You go to go through court good luck you're getting your fucking weed back you're getting your money back stop it you know it doesn't matter if it's legal it's not federally illegal so they just challenge it on a federal level and you got to drop it that's crazy but you know when the people can't can't decide for themselves yeah i mean wow mean, if the people vote to make something legal, I mean, I think it should be legal. It's the same thing like this fake Rick Ross guy. There's a transparency of the information.

It's so obvious. It doesn't make sense that it's still around. It's just one more piece of evidence that shows how crazy we are. The marijuana one, it's not like there's nothing that can get you fucked up it's not like marijuana is the only thing that we've ever had ever that gets you fucked up you know and then people would be like man maybe we shouldn't really be messing with our normal state of consciousness because everything seems to be going smooth as long as people are sober but there's a lot of shit that can get you fucked up everywhere you go yeah every cvs you go into

you could die yeah and then you come back to what you said about the transparency of Rick Ross. Yeah. I mean, you got to look at this. You can have a school. Call it school A. They'll say, we don't want the drug dealer coming in talking about literacy. The former drug dealer. Let me say that.

Right. Was that who he does? No. He gives talks? No. That's it. They don't want Freeway Rick coming in talking about literacy. Okay.

Right. But then turn around and authorize Rick Ross to come in and do hustling which is about drugs isn't that i mean i just that's it makes no sense well you didn't even learn how to read until you went to jail right yeah i was 28 years old when i learned how to read wow that's incredible man your story is so it's the what I've always said is that the number one problem that we have in this country is that people are not caring how young people that aren't theirs are growing up. And you've got to look at young people

as like the number one piece of potential. Like if there's anything that has potential, it's a human being. And you have human beings that grow up with no future and no fucking chance and no hope and no nothing and no education and no love. we're just making a shitty person. It's almost like you've got to find out where we're bleeding. A shitty society.

Yes, a shitty society. Because that one person is going to bleed on somebody else. It's going to create a ripple effect. It's like we've got to find out where we're wounded. Where are we wounded? We'll find that spot, whatever that spot is, culturally. Where is the most amount of crime? Where's the most is, culturally. Where is the most amount of crime? Where's the most amount of despair?

Where's the least amount of love? That needs to be patched up. And until they patch that shit up, we're never going to figure this out. You're always going to have craziness that makes no sense, like this fake Rick Ross character or like marijuana being illegal or like Mitt Romney. We're insane, Snooki. We're insane. We're an insane Snooki. We're insane. We're an insane culture. We've never been more insane as a culture.

I mean, I think shit was probably insane back in the Elvis days. Shit was probably insane when the Osmond brothers were huge, okay? But we've never been this insane. Well, technology kind of does that. I mean, when you think about the exposure element of it all. Yeah. You know, I was thinking about my grandmother. My grandmother grew up in a town where she saw the same people every day yeah which is great new

people every day when you can be who you want to be it's great if your town's full of awesome people you know i've always said that the the thing that we should do is organize a place where you could go and everybody's awesome like everybody decide to buy a house in this one spot. Or bar. Cheers. Yeah, you don't want a bar. You want a neighborhood. You want a whole neighborhood full of your friends. But that's hard to do, man.

We have cars, so we fuck it up. We don't have a neighborhood tribe anymore. It used to be that you would live around only the people that you knew. Like, okay, Mike, I'm going to make my house right here. You want to make your house right there? We're good. If you hear a bear, wake me up. But now it's like, why would I have a house near you when I could just drive to your house i mean brian's house is fucking half an hour away from

me i don't drive to his house you know joey's house is 10 minutes this way and eddie's house is over here i don't drive to anybody's house yeah you know like it's not like they're all in your neighborhood and you go knock on their door you know it's not like you're all together in a little tribe so we're all dysfunctional because we have these giant groups that you would think, oh, these motherfuckers all know each other. This is a giant group of 20 million people living in LA. But no, nobody knows anybody. You don't know anybody anywhere near you. You're constantly surrounded by strangers. It's the weirdest thing ever. And people are really shitty now. I mean, have you tried to pull over, like change lanes

on the freeway on the street and the guy next to you speeds up and yeah he's going just fast enough to keep you from getting over and i'm like damn buddy i mean what was it gonna give you 10 seconds you get there 10 seconds later but that's the whole thing that comes out of not not knowing everybody yeah because essentially you don't have to be responsible today i might meet you never see you again so i could be whoever i want to be to you and then tomorrow i'm gonna see all new people that is true that is true and that's not good necessarily but the other hand is you get exposure to a lot of different kinds of people so you get a pretty broad sense of what's possible when you think about like meeting human beings you know

where a regular person might not get such a crazy view of people. Not if they're all watching Kim Kardashian. That's true. If you just go to the same spot every day for lunch. Same Hollywood club. Wait for famous people to walk in. Who's that? Is that her? Snooki.

Snooki. Oh, that fat bitch. I never crossed the TN freeway. What's her son's name? Guido? Is that what his name? Guido. Snooki. Is that his name? Is that real? Did you just Guido? Is that what his name? Guido. I hope not. Is that his name?

Is that real? Did you just make that up? I think his name is Guido. Snooki. Brian, please look that up. I know it's a hairy baby. I heard that. It's a hairy baby?

Yeah. Snooki's baby. It probably is going to turn out it's just all snatch hair that fell off during the birth and just stuck to his head. You can't clean them off. You just scrub all day. Those fucking hairs are glued into his head. Oh can't clean them off. You just scrub all day. Those fucking hairs are glued into his head.

Oh, it's Lorenzo. Dried, snooki, snatch juice. It's better than Gorilla Glue. Could you imagine, man? You're going to wake up

and be fucking four years old and you go, wait a minute, mom, what do you do? What do you do? You're that chick from that show?

Oh, shit. Imagine being like five-year-old watching Jersey Shore and that's your mom and she gets punched in the face by some dude at a bar. Did you ever see her get punched in the face? you do you're that chick from that show oh shit imagine being like five-year-old watching jersey shore and that's your mom and she gets punched in the face by some dude at a bar did you ever see her get punched in the face she got punched in the face man by a teacher wow you know you're an annoying cunt when a teacher is at a bar and he punches you in the face no imagine being 30 showing it to your son and by the way the guy guy who punched her is like a teacher and an MMA fighter.

Oh. And she was like saying something to him, and he just punched her right in the face on TV. Yeah. Like, what? First of all, what a piece of shit that dude is. Like, if he didn't know a camera was there, like, he didn't know. He was just hammered. He had no idea.

Well, I know they rushed him to jail. Oh, fuck yeah. Of course they course they did the quickness so dude he cracked her too yeah yeah well they tried to assault with a deadly weapon well no because he didn't hit her with anything so i think it's just a solid they must charge look at that yeah but i don't think you got it i don't think um it matters man people think that it oh, man, your hands are deadly weapons. No, but you know what does matter, man? Shoes. Shoes are weapons.

You got it, Brian? You pulling it up? Is that what you're doing? Oh, I'm sorry. How did you guys not see it? Here. Watch this shit. Yeah, this is it.

Watch this shit. Oh! Oh! That dude cracked her. Wait, one more time. Oh! It's kind of a cracked her. Wait, one more time. Oh! It's kind of a slap punch. Oh, please.

That was a punch. It just wasn't good. It was a slap punch. He was an MMA fighter, but I bet he got his ass kicked a lot. Well, he won that. He probably got paid a lot of money to punch her. You think he did? Do you think they paid him to punch her?

Well, I do know that show is completely fucking, like, 99% fake. I didn't even think of that. I don't know about a punch, though. That seemed pretty fucking real, right? That seemed like you really did hit her. Yeah.

It did seem like he did. Yeah. But you know, they can fake him. Those motherfuckers. Got us again. I had a fake punch a dude once and I accidentally hit him. It was like a fake bar fight

in a sitcom and I accidentally hit him. It was like a fake bar fight in a sitcom. And I accidentally hit the dude. Yeah, you could. But I think like sometimes like in those fight scenes, like dudes get really fucked up. Like didn't Sylvester Stallone, he broke his fucking neck at like 60 years old. Wow. Filming a fight scene. Apparently his neck is fused with a plate.

Yeah? Yeah. Hey, tell them about the beard that you heard. You remember? Oh, about William Roberts' beard? Oh, they got online where they show you how they fix his beard up. Oh, how they make it thicker or something? Well, you know, his beard is he can't grow facial hairs.

What? Come on. They take a piece of carpet and... Get the fuck out of here. Now you're just making shit up. No, for real. Come on, really? They showed it to me online. A girl was like,

hey, go right here and you can see how they fix his beard. His beard is not real. It's a piece of carpet. What? Because she made a good point. She was like, Rick, how long you been growing your beard?

I said, since I was 18. She said, well, you got holes in your beard. I said, yeah, I always trying to get those filled in and they never fill in she said well look at his he don't have any holes anywhere she said isn't it perfect yeah but brian grows a beard you don't have holes in your beard your shit grows pretty thick uh yeah it's yeah and he i can grow a pretty thick beard too man well they got it online where you can see the guy fix it up.

You can see him glue it down and shit? Yeah, the whole thing. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. You think the tattoos are real? Imagine if that shit's real. If it's fake. If the tattoos are fake, like you catch him in the shower, it's all running.

Can you take the Rick Ross off his knuckles? That's bizarre, huh? He's got your name on his knuckles that's bizarre huh he's got your name on his knuckles no and then he says he doesn't know you i don't know you so strange oh wow it gives you the finger wow yeah so you know we're going around now you know basically just just trying to uh trying to do what we just talked about, you know, educating the kids on becoming critical thinkers and letting them know that eventually we're going to have to take the power back into our own hands or, you know, be led to slaughter.

We have a nonprofit now, too, freewayliteracy.org. You know, Freeway Literacy Foundation has been talking to a couple of celebrities about getting involved, being on the board. And it's more about, of course, literacy in regard to reading, but also leadership literacy and financial literacy. Because now, coming back to our point in this whole podcast, a lot of people can read and write. But the question is, what are you reading and writing? DNC was on last night. And if you was watching Snooki over at DNC and you went to college, you got problems.

Yeah. You know, I watched a very convincing uh video today by this guy i think his name is stefan molyneux he's a philosopher from canada but he uh had a very convincing argument on why you shouldn't vote he was like it's fucking bullshit it's like you're you're contributing to a game by pretending it's real and essentially you're you are you're giving in to this fucking shell game and rooting on this fake leader and then it's not real like this whole system's been bought and he had a very convincing argument you know so watching a dnc might be like watching a pro wrestling event before summer slam you know might get y'all

fired up but really what the fuck is going on behind the scenes? It ain't Bill Clinton telling you how much better you are. Bill Clinton's just trying to win so he gets his dick sucked again. He just wants to get up there and say something dope as fuck. So he comes off and he's in a cocktail party and next thing some chick is sucking his dick. I was just reading an article to Rick about Bill

and just exposing that whole Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. He said everybody's going to get a house. Some people can't have a house. article to Rick about Bill and just exposing that whole Fannie Mae Freddie Mac. I mean, he said everybody's going to get a house. Some people can't have a house. Some people can't afford a fucking house. Also, the strange death of Vince Foster. He was involved, people forget, he was involved

with some giant real estate scandal. Clinton and his wife and then there was a dude named Vince Foster who was, I forget what he did. I forget his whole deal. I remember that in Arkansas. He was a dude named Vince Foster who was – I forget what he did. I forget his whole deal. I remember that in Arkansas. Yeah. He was a big part of this whole case, I believe, and he turned up dead.

And the lady went to jail. Yeah, with the gun still in his hand. It's like they saved – I think his wife went to jail for contempt of court. She wouldn't testify. That's probably a good move on her part. Well, you know the good thing about me is they don't allow me to register to vote anyway. So I don't have a choice.

Yeah. At this point, you're probably better off that way. It sounds ridiculous. But this Stefan Molyneux guy had a very interesting take on it. It's reluctant. It's almost people like, well, if you want to fucking change things, you need to get out and vote. And you got to go, really? I'm not sure. Well, Joe, I think that also you got to get out and vote and you got to go really i'm not sure well

joe i think that i think that also you got to look at what type of vote maybe on the national level that applies but on a local level you can vote with your feet vote vote with going down to your council people people go vote with your wallet yeah people don't even go down to their council member meetings and talk about that pothole that's in front of their house it's true you know you're right that's true local local politics are real that's legit that's why arnold their house. It's true. You know? You're right. That's true. Local politics are real. That's legit. That's why Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't get shit done. Because of Joe Rogan.

Arnold got in there and saw what a tangled mess this whole thing was. I think they thought they'd be able to clean it up. It's a mess. But I think, like, mayors, governors,

you know, things along those lines, that's real. You know, they can really change things and affect things. You can have a good mayor or a shitty mayor. I mean, look what happened in New's real. They can really change things and affect things. You can have a good mayor or a shitty mayor. I mean, look what happened in New York City.

Look how New York City was cleaned up. It's a strange thing. A strange thing how much something can change with the right guidance and the right leadership. But on a federal level, man, it's like if it really got anything done, if voting really could change things, they'd figure out a way to fuck it up. They'd figure out a way to fuck it up. They'd figure out a way to make it illegal. Yeah. Yeah, one of the things I was even telling Rick was I was looking at some of the local elections and like 20,000 people, we could mobilize

20,000 people and pick who we want. It's true. We could pick. For local elections, especially if you guys do a podcast, do a Freeway Ricky podcast. Yeah, you think we should? Fuck yeah. You're going to be the vice president, Joe. You're great on it. Oh, man.

That's fine. I can't be elected to me. I barely have time for my own. No, the vice president of Freeway Studios. Oh, Freeway Studios? I think you could do it, man, for sure. You would be able to really mobilize a lot of people that way. People like hearing you talk, man.

You've got great stories, and your life is fascinating. And you think about what a podcast is, is if you can be entertaining and interesting, then all of a sudden you've got a group of people that are tuned in to you and they get used to you. And they sort of like become your friend. That's sort of what happens on this show. And so on this show, people know that if I'm telling them something, it's because it's true or it's because I believe it's true. I'm not bullshitting. And when people get to know you, they'll know the same thing.

Absolutely. I'm not bullshitting. And when people get to know you, they'll know the same thing. And then from there, any speech you're ever going to do somewhere, anything you want to get passed through, anything that you want to let people know about that they don't know about, you have a voice. And you have a voice that, I mean, it'll start off with X amount of people, and then it'll double, and then it'll triple. And as long as you keep doing it, next thing you know, you got your own fucking radio show.

You got your own Freeway Ricky radio show. You can do whatever the fuck you want. Because I know I still get people to come up to me for my last show that we did and say, hey, man, I saw you on Joe Rogan. I was at the dub show like two weeks ago in downtown LA at the convention center. And, man, at least five or ten people came up to me, man, that was a great job you did on Joe Rogan. I was like wow that was almost a year ago that's awesome the dub show man that that market's taking a hit man the big wheel market that market's taking a hit yeah all the luxurious

markets yeah but the big wheel market even people who have like nice cars they don't buy the big wheels anymore no no no but dub's doing good though the magazine you mean yeah they had about 50 000 people out at their car show yeah i just bought the new magazine they have cool cars in it man it's fascinating shit like what people do their cars people doing their cars up there like mr cartoon the tattoo artist and a couple other dudes so i don't know who they are but they had some pretty badass cars but the big wheel market shit nobody wants those wagon wheels anymore. You don't want spinners on your Honda? How long do the spinners last?

What is, like, the legit lifespan for spinners, Brian? I still see them once in a while. Do you really? Yeah. Dana White used to have them. But, you know, they have a way of changing people's appetite. You know, today it's big wheels, tomorrow it's little wheels. Yeah.

You know, and then next week it's big wheels again. And then it's the medium wheels. You know, just a way to keep pulling that money up out of our pockets so that we don't take that money and that power and put it to where it could really benefit the people. Well, it's also just a distraction. People love shiny shit, man. If you can give them a shiny-ass wheel. Whoa. I saw a dude who had like a Chevy Cap caprice like a caprice classic and they were the most ridiculous wheels i've ever seen in my life it was like a 10 speed bike wheel it was

just crazy like what the fuck are you doing with your car this isn't this isn't even a car anymore yeah i see him all the time it's so strange like i don't even know how he got into the car it was so high up there it was like an acrob event. Just to climb into his front seat to deal with his crazy, stupid wheels. It's weird, man. People are strange. Yeah, well, that's the state of America right now. Have you ever understood monster trucks? No.

No. Yeah, I've watched them before. I've only been in one. I was in Quentin Rampage Jackson's. He has a giant monster truck. He had a monster truck with a picture of his face on it. But I'm from LA. You gotta remember, we're from LA. I know, but Quentin Rampage Jackson's. He has a giant monster truck. He had a monster truck with a picture of his face on it. But I'm from LA. You got to remember, we're from LA. I know, but Quentin's from Memphis.

Yeah, you got to be from the middle of the country for that. The cool thing is the height of it. You know, looking out over, it's like you're in a city bus. It's weird. Like, you're looking above the traffic. It's real strange. You see Arnold Schwarzenegger? Oh, he drove his new car?

No. He has some German car that's really popular with the German army. And it's like a Hummer but taller. I'll try to find a picture. Oh, really? Is it electric? No. It's a gas-guzzling, horrible car.

Yeah, no one's got it. Two miles a gallon. Well, there's real problems with electric cars, man. People want to go electric, but you realize that electric relies on lithium-ion batteries, and they get that shit from war zones. Anywhere where there's lithium, people are dying. Lithium in the Congo, there's pockets of lithium that were recently found in Afghanistan. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, lithium is a scarce element. And when they find it, man, they try to lock down that area and control it. Yeah, lithium is a scarce element. And when they find it, man, they try to lock down that area and control it. So it's like you're not really going to get a conflict-free car that runs on electricity because that shit runs on a lot of lithium. So they've got to pull that out of a mountain somewhere in Afghanistan. That sounds like Avatar. Look at this motherfucker. It is. You're right.

Look at this motherfucker. Oh, wow. Look at that stupid Avatar. Yeah. Look at this motherfucker. It is. You're right. Look at this motherfucker. Oh, wow. Look at that stupid car. Arnold. You silly bitch. He's just ready. He's ready for the end. The end is coming.

I mean, it looks like he's been pumping up, doesn't he? He's getting back in shape. It's so crazy. That's a Mercedes. Is that a monkey in the back? Look at the cigar. Oh, that's a dog. That's a dog, son.

Look at the cigar. I'm going to the maid's house. I think that I had a crazy dream about him. You notice he doesn't have a license plate? Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. I had a crazy dream about him after his whole case, and I talked about it on the podcast. It was real weird, man. He was in my family's yard.

They had a yard that was right up next to a lake. It was like a lake or an ocean. Anyway, they're swimming. And Arnold was running around swimming with balls and cock hanging out. And he was really confident. He was really confident, just rolling around. No big deal. My cock is hanging out.

He was just so casual about his dick hanging out. I remember thinking, you've got to keep women away from that guy. He's just trying to fuck. And this was my crazy dream, of course. But it was just such a strange dream to see some old, in-shape guy with his dick hanging out, just swimming around near people. Yes. It was a strange fucking dream. Well, you know, some people feel like they're more privileged than others.

You know, we can do whatever we want to do because we got all the guns. Yeah. Do you think that's his attitude? That he just feels privileged? Absolutely. It's a Hollywood style. A lot of guns. I'm going to fuck the maid.

And everybody else that gets in my way. Yeah. Just shoot loads into her. Didn't give a fuck. Did you see The Expendables 2? Did you? No, I didn't see it. Did you?

No. I saw the first one. Was it any good?pendables 2? No, I didn't see it. Did you? No. I saw the first one. Was it any good? It was okay. Yeah. The first one was fun. It's like a good episode of Dukes of Hazzard. You know what I mean?

But the same characters, like today. Yeah. They're just 50 in the car. We're going to make a comeback. We're coming back. But you know what that's about is something that you said earlier. You said that we should invest in kids, but America's an old country. Most of the people are like 58.

When you watch TV, everything that's on is for them. What is the numbers of people? I don't think that's right. I wonder what the average age of people is in America. America used to be in the 70s. It was like a young country because the baby boomers were getting old. So now America's like an old country. So when you sit and watch television, that's why it's all for old people.

So what is the average person? How old is the average? I think it's like 50-something. Really? 53, 54. Maybe late 40s. I might be old. But it's definitely not in the 30s.

All right, Brian, take a guess before I hit enter. 35. 35? I think I'm with you. I'm saying in late 30s. That's what I say. Because I know there's a lot of people fucking these days. Let's see.

Median age was 28 in 2012. So, not quite. Joe, I saw that. did you see that advertisement somebody found a old commercial of you in it on oh i did central it was like in the middle of some a field yeah of a field you're talking about 22 years old there that was so weird yeah it was terrible it's so weird. Yeah, it was terrible. It's so awful, too. Yeah, it seems like that's what it is. Yeah, 28. Yeah, it seems like it's 28. Well, that's in the middle.

Not young, but not old either. Well, this one, though, says United States median age is 36.9. It says the average is 36.9 because for men is thirty five years for women it's thirty eight years so that would say that you were about right that we're about right thirty five thirty six either way that's probably older than people were back uh... in the seven and seventy three were young country because all of the writers

that's why everyone crazy was doing drugs and listening to Jimi Hendrix and fucking all that shit. Happy times. Yeah, happy times, right? But what a crazy little burst of energy that time was. And then to have it all pulled back. It's like for one 10-year period from between 1950 and 1960, the world changed in a crazy way i mean it really changed like a motherfucker and then 10 years later everything became illegal and then they put the lockdown and everything 1970 they passed all those drugs war yeah that's when they said no more acid

no more anything else stop it people were taking all kinds of crazy shit that was legal at the time. Yeah. Somebody said they used to even put Coke in cocaine. Oh, yeah. Coca-Cola. They put Coke in Coca-Cola. Have you ever had the real Coke? I had the Mexican Coke.

The Mexican Coke is different. It's cane sugar instead of whatever sugar we use. Mexican Coke is better. Yeah. Isn't that fucked up? I haven't seen Mexican Diet Coke. But they have cane sugar instead of corn syrup, which is way better for you. Oh, yeah.

Isn't that ridiculous? That shit they put in sodas is the worst. And I haven't drunk a soda in about 25 years. Really? Yeah, I totally cut them out. Smart. They're so delicious, though. Check it, Coach.

It's sharp. Yeah. Yeah, man. When you have a nice sandwich you know you want a coke to go with that shit tastes good yeah burgers burger and coke yeah it sucks that you're like i eat these uh kale shakes man and uh it's not my favorite thing to eat they don't taste good there's this big fucking blended shake that i make where i stuff kale in it and celery and ginger and garlic and pineapple.

But when I drink them, I feel way better. But I'm like, why can't something like that draw me to it? Because every time I go to it, it's like work. I can't believe I'm drinking this fucking disgusting shit. I'm like, alright, it's going to be delicious. I'll start talking myself into it

and then I'll pour a lot of coconut oil on it and a lot of pineapple in it. so it tastes a little bit better. Yeah. But it really doesn't taste that good. If I had to choose between that and a soda, I would want that soda. Soda's delicious. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Soda's pain-free. It's like, oh, give me some love. But then you won't be looking as young as you do. No, I won't be feeling as good as you do. Or as healthy as you are right now. And health is so important. A lot of times... I try to tell him to this motherfucker.

Tell him to stop smoking. I keep telling him. I want him to... He's getting older and he smokes and he doesn't take care of his body. And I'm like, dude, I don't want to be over your bed while you got some cancer type shit. That's what happened with the rapper. He had to eat better. You heard about that?

Another rap? What's that? No, with the rapper he had to eat better. He had seizures and then he had? What's that? No, with the rapper, he had to eat better. He had seizures, and then he had to change his diet. That's in the Rolling Stone article, too. Oh, Rick Ross had seizures, so he had to change his diet. The fake Rick Ross. Yeah, so he had to change his diet.

That's why he has a song called Dice Pineapples. Yeah, he's had two heart attacks, right? And he's made two songs about his heart attacks. That dude is just lying and slinging dick until he hits the wall. When you had a bunch of heart attacks and you're that fat with your shirt off. And he probably wasn't getting laid until after he started rapping. It's probably his balls don't know what is going on. They're like, why are we shooting so many loads?

How the fuck did this guy get so successful with his dick? It's like for 35 years, nothing. All of a sudden, every day, it's like, we need more loads. They're like, more loads? Can you imagine if you were in the load factory in his body, and then all of a sudden, production went up by 5,000% in his 30s? What the fuck is going on, man? What are we doing with all this sperm? It's just him eating sandwiches, getting his dick sucked.

You're fucking nuts. Counting your money. Trying to figure out how much he can give you and still live like this. None. He's probably thinking about it right now. None. In his mind, he's saying none. I'm not going to give him my dime.

Yeah. Well, if he has to change his name to Rosé, at least he's set the stage for that. You know, right? I mean, he kind of has, right? You said he's sort of using another name. No, he's using Rick Ross. He's still using that constantly. Look at the cover of The Rolling Stones.

Yeah, maybe they did that, too. Maybe they were like, this is what we're marketing. So before we totally lose, let's keep that going on. Maybe they just figured that's the best way. Do you think they've got to know that they're going to lose? Right? I hope so. I bet the lawyers are listening to this shit right now.

Nah. I bet they are. I never know. If they're good, right, wouldn't you be listening to this? You're on top of everything. We don't know if they're good. I watched his. I mean, a good lawyer would, you know, I mean, just for me, you know, businessman.

And I say, okay, well, we just spent $100,000. We know we're going to have to spend at least another million. Hey, you want to go and sit down and talk to this guy and try to work this thing out? Right. But no, his lawyers are like, oh, no, keep sending those checks. And pay $1.3 million out of selling, they say, 200,000 records. But I think it's probably more like $25,000. What he actually sells?

No, he's talking about opening week. Opening week. Do you think they lie about that shit? They buy the records themselves. They do? We don't know if they bought them in his case, but they do buy records. Really? What companies do that?

All of them. They do that just to jack up the sales? To make it look bigger than this? To make it look like the guy is hot when he may be not. Really? That is interesting. Make him go gold. Really?

How many do you have to sell before you go gold? 500,000. And platinum's a million? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know they could just go buy them like that. It makes sense, though. It's kind of unethical or illegal to do that but but they

all practice that that method really yeah well it kind of makes sense you know look if you if you wanted to think about it that way you can like brag about the guy selling so much people will try shit that here's like real popular and then you start to get advertisement you know yeah bt will pick you up and they start to play your videos and MTV and, oh, he sold 500,000. So now you're hot. It's a weird business, that music business, man. It seems like a strange, strange place to maneuver. Joe, can I ask you a question?

Sure, please. If my name was William Roberts and I rapped about being a correctional officer, would you buy my CD? Yeah, if you were good. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. You could have any fucking job, and I don't care what you do. You could be a comedian. You could be a rapper.

You could be an author. If you're good. It's not like the title of what the guy does. It's like, who is he? There's a lot of people that are working in basking robin scooping ice cream but they're interesting motherfuckers if you were sat down and talked to them for a long period of time they might be able to actually write a book that's pretty fucking badass you would want to read he might be able to rap about ice cream and be like i never

thought a motherfucker could rap about ice cream and i would think it was fun it's all depends on the individual and the context of what they're saying. So that guy for sure could have pulled off talking about being a corrections officer. He just had to be a bad motherfucker to do it. See, I don't know. I just think rap is so anti-authoritarian. It's true. You know, and especially like how he's trying to rap. I'm a correction officer.

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Don't know if it works. That's true. I lock up drug dealers. And tackle people down. I'm on the goon squad. We're going to take them down.

You would have to be unbelievably good. I made him bend over and spread his cheeks. He would have to be Eminem times a million. Yeah, I checked up on his nutsack. He would have to be a million times better than Jay-Z. But it's like it's not impossible it's just he would have to be so good to overcome that hate it would be almost impossible okay you know i'm saying i really think that anything is possible is it can you do it can

i do it no probably not but is it possible that someone could be so good at rapping that they could pull off being a bad motherfucker even though they used to be a corrections officer? And it's probably going to happen one day. Maybe. It's possible. You'd have to be so just untouchably dope. It'll be in your dream with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, it would be.

He just walked past. William Roberts just passed by. But, you know, like if Nas was a corrections officer, Nas' lyrics are so goddamn good. You got to just respect it. You just, you can't deny it. I never heard anybody says that Nas sucks because his lyrics are so good. That one where he plays the whole song backwards, like the events, like he reads them backwards. Like, come on, man.

Who the fuck can do that? Who else can do that? Even if he was a corrections officer, you'd have to go, God damn, that was pretty fucking badass. You know what I mean? So he would have to be that good. But he's not. He's not that good.

He's not that good at all, which is really interesting. That every day I'm hustling, that's got a catchy beat to it. That was pretty good. Yeah. You know that came from Dark Alliance. Because that's what you said. Yeah. That's one of the things what you said yeah that's something

one of the things that you said right yep yep yep i mean that's so weird you're in a club every day i'm hustling every day i'm hustling and you must be in a club going what the fuck is going on in this life you know what was funny to me about a month and a half ago, I was in Charlotte, North Carolina. And so this kid, he did a rap against the rapper. You know, only support the real. Oh, wow. Middle finger to the fake. Whoa.

And so the rapper and they all sitting in VIP and they played on the radio. Oh, no. And they're sitting together. He calls me like, yeah, I'm sitting right next to that dude right now. And they just played the song on the radio. And did he know that it was him that played that song? Yeah, he knew. Oh, that's hilarious.

And he had just talked to the kid before the song came on and was telling him how hot he was. It's a terrible place to be, man. To be full of shit is a terrible thing to do man to be full of shit it's a terrible thing you know i mean in that way look at the stomach i mean he's been he's been there for a while you just don't get there overnight yeah that's true yeah he's a slob it's amazing so that's a fascinating story it's just uh you you're admirable in how you are depicting it. You're not vindictive. You're not angry. I barely feel like your heart goes up a beat when you bring it up.

You just bring it up very factually. I just want what's mine. But, I mean, you're not freaking out about it. You're just persistent. No, I'm not. But I'm not going to rest until I get it straight, you know. Right. He don't understand the type of person that I am.

You know, when I had my life sentence in prison, one of the things that I committed myself to was getting out of prison. And now one of the things that I'm committed to right now is to get my name back, you know, to stop him from using my name. And I want my name back with interest. Yeah. You know, give me my interest get my name back you know to stop him from using my name and i want my name back with interest yeah you know give me my interest with my name how much how much would you take to shut up i don't i shouldn't even say shut up that's disrespectful how much would you take to drop it i don't know i really you know i really couldn't say right now uh we'd have to sit down and crunch the numbers because you know i got attorneys that I got to pay, too. Right.

These guys been helping me out. Out of kindness of their heart. And it's put a strain on me, you know, fighting this case. Because I don't make much money. You know, I get a few dollars. And the work that I'm doing right now, you know, when I go out to a high school and speak, they don't pay me for that. I take books. We need a Rick Ross podcast and a Rick Ross t-shirt.

Let's do it. Let's do it let's do it start selling them on the podcast we'll do that just that alone man i'm telling you i did yeah everywhere i go i see these machine t-shirts from burke kreischer burke kreischer is a comedian friend of ours he told a story on the podcast about getting drunk in russia and he was saying the wrong he was saying i'm the i'm a machine i'm the machine that's what he's telling all these russian people he didn't know what the fuck he was saying and he's hammered so it became a hilarious story that now he sold these shirts that say the machine on the bottom of them these fucking shirts are everywhere i've seen them he does it so smart too because i got to see him in dayton he'll do the whole machine story like and it's like a new

version of it where he's tightened it up and made like you know like just even put it to the next level and then when he's done he's like and i have machine shirts out front and then like everybody after hearing that amazing story it's like oh bye bye you can't go wrong i bet he gets rid of thousands of those fucking yeah and where i go i see those death squad shirts i see death squad shirts at every one of our shows i see death squad shirts at ufcs i see i see them constantly did you see it last night on tv? It was on America's Got Talent. One of the bands was wearing a Desquad shirt. Wow.

Yeah. I got a scream. Pull that up. Pull it up. See, that's what I'm talking about. We need a Rick Ross t-shirt. We need a Rick Ross podcast, a Rick Ross t-shirt. Just that alone, man.

Just that. Again, you need to get that started yesterday. For real. Because you can talk, man. You're an interesting dude. And I see what you're doing on your, oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, it's just a Hitler cat on NBC. That is hilarious.

And I saw what you're doing on your website as well. Your website has a lot of news and a lot of news about shit that's going on in the world as well. You put little blurbs of things that are happening on your website. People that you're involved with. Absolutely. Clients. Right. I want to be informative.

I want to let the people know because I believe that just like you're doing, there's so much bullshit out here that I want to cut through the bullshit and help the people get something that can help them. But I think the most important thing is for us to get our country back on track. I love the way America used to be. Right now I'm not happy with the way it's going. I'm not happy with fake it till you make it. Just be around the people with money or with the, right now these people would rather hang out with somebody that has money than to go out and try to make some money for themselves. So we got to change that,

you know, we got, we got to change it to, to where you are a star. Everybody's a star and everybody should be treated like one. I don't think that, you know, this guy's a bigger person than you because he has money in the bank or I'm smaller than you because I don't have any money. I think we're all created equal. We all have talents. And we just have to explore everybody and give everybody an equal opportunity.

That's a beautiful idea on paper the my problem with the way this world is screwed up is that it seems like the debt is so considerable it's almost like the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore i don't understand finances that much but when you start talking the trillions of dollars of debt and we talk about like what the interest rate is and you talk about like how much people will be paying off and where social security coming from and what when you start like looking at those numbers it's almost like this just seems broken it is broken but the only way it's gonna get fixed is we fix it if we don't is it's gonna get worse does it happen yeah that's what I'm worried about I'm worried about does

it have to fail before it can be reinvented in a more productive manner is it is that like the destiny I mean this culture they already failed it seems like I mean if it hasn't if they don't consider it failed right now we have over 2.3 million people in prison right now yeah we the biggest incarcerators in the world if that's not a sign that you're failing then what is but what's insane is how many of them are in there because they didn't sell a sanctioned drug they locked this person and it's not like it's not drugs for sale it's not like you can't go to cvs and get fucked up anytime you want

especially if you have a prescription but even if you don't have a prescription you can walk in a cvs and just drink till you're dead. No problem whatsoever. But if someone's selling some unsanctioned substances and there's a demand and a supply. These dudes selling Oxycontins, these fucking guys living behind velvet gates. No one's coming after them. They're just collecting. They're just watching zeros. They're just sitting in front of the computer, logged on to their account, watching.

Cling, cling, cling. It's like a lottery bell going off. And now they're giving kids prescriptions because the kid is moving around fast. They got some drug that they're giving them. Sure, Ritalin. Ritalin is famous. They give kids that are hyperactive. But they're doing Prozac on young kids.

You know, there's a i there's my next door neighbor they were terrible parents terrible parents their fucking kids were always screaming at each other and they didn't know how to handle it and they would scream at each other and there's a lot of nonsense going on the kids just were fucking haywire they were haywire and then they started drugging them it was crazy man that's crazy to watch it was like all of a sudden the kids would just be like looking at you i would leave the house and they would be bouncing off the wall you try to pull out the driveway excuse me they're fucking in the street jumping off the car you know but that was normal at least that was like

what crazy kids do that's what kids do then you pull your car out there and you see zombie kids same kids just standing there. Shuffling. We used to call it in jail when they would, there were certain guys that they would put on drugs when we were in jail and they would just be standing there going back and forth with their feet. And we would call it the Thorazine Shuffle. So it's awful when they do that to young kids, you know,

because that stuff really mess you up. It's scary. It's scary how many parents just want to calm the little fuckers down. You know? They just can't take it anymore. If you've never had a kid, you don't know. You don't know how frayed people get. They just get to the point where they can't take it.

They can't take it. Drag them up. Drag them. Prepare them to go to prison. That's what they do. Sad. Put him on Thorazine, and then when he's old enough to say he don't want it anymore, then we'll just put him in prison.

Yeah, it is pretty fucking pathetic. How many dudes when you were in jail were on different medications? Oh, man, their lives be huge. And can you get them? Like if you say, I'm depressed? Oh, yeah, you can just go into the doctor and give them a story. You hear noises. Really?

Yeah. And then what kind of shit they give you thorazine or the one that you just said or ritalin or prozac prozac um and when they take those then all of a sudden they just zone out they zone out yeah you would see them standing in a spot and they just go back and forth raising one foot up after another one whoa Whoa. In jail, it's called a Thorazine shuffle, but all those drugs kind of give them the same type of effect. Do any guys in jail ever get pain medication? Oh, yeah, you can get pain medication if you hurt your back. Really?

What kind of shit? What can you get? Hopefully they don't give you Viagra in jail. If it's something strong. Will they give you Viagra in jail? No, I don't think so. You got to get that in. Imagine if you take Viagra that a dude snuck in his ass.

Oh, God. That just seems like a bad path. When I was in jail, everyone was talking about hooch. You know what hooch is? They make hooch all the time. Yeah. And I don't know. I didn't ever try to.

Is it like homemade alcohol? Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, it's homemade alcohol. So what do you have to have wrong with you to get pain pills? What kind of pain pills do they give out? You can go in there and hurt your back. So if you pull the muscle.

Pull the muscle, get hurt on the football field. They hook you up with some Oxycontins? I don't know if they give you Oxycontins. Now, they do have medicine that they give you. And you have to go up and you go to the doctor. And they put it in a cup. And right then, you have to throw it in your mouth, drink some water, and then open your mouth up so the doctor can look inside and make sure that you took the pill. Now, those pills are like really, really prescription medicine.

But then they would give you like a ibuprofen. You know, you can just bring those back to your cell yeah stuff that doesn't get you high is fine right but the those uh the ones that they get you how long they give them to you for i mean it's guys that get them for as long as they in there whoa but you have to keep going up to the window every day you know some guys go three times a day to get the medicine but what they'll do is some guy instead of taking it they'll put it under their tongue and get back in the unit and sell it uh there must be a skill you develop how to tuck it and hide it and you know if you do it for a couple years you perfect it is there anything that you would that people would be surprised that you could get in jail you can get

cell phones you can get you can get anything in jail that you got on the street if you got money. Really? Yeah, pretty much anything. Cocaine, heroin, Oxycontin, crystal meth, everything is inside the jailhouse. I would have been like PlayStation and, you know, I'll just like something to make it easier just wasting my time in jail. Can we get a steak? Just a steak, a hot steak. Well, you know, the jails now give you PlayStations.

Are you serious? Yeah. Oh, that's not bad. Yeah, they have it in a library. Yeah, but if you lose, you have to suck someone's dick. It's all the old games, too. It's the ancient pong. You get pong.

Yeah, Madden 07. One controller, too. You guys got to share. So could you get a steak? He was asking. Can you get a fat he was asking can you get a fat steak yeah you can get a steak easy really yeah because they have they have steaks for the guards no the funniest thing ever is what he's response about like i heard about rick ross so i get on the phone it's like how do you get on the phone when you're in jail so he said it like like it just happened

instantaneously like he just that's funny yeah you in jail? He said it like it just happened instantaneously. That's funny. Yeah, you can get pretty much anything in there. You know, they got guys in the kitchen that will cook your meal just the way you want it every day. Really? But you got to have money. Right. How much does it take to get a steak?

Probably like $5. Really? Wow. That's nice. But it's hard to get money in jail or can you, you gotta bring in money? I don't know, if you got money on the street, say for instance if your people got money on the streets. They can donate it to you?

No, they just send it to your books or say for instance, the guy in the kitchen who cooks, he knows you so he gives you credit and then you can just tell your people, hey this is the guy's name, this is his booking number, send him $300. Oh! And that'll cover you for the whole month. Or two months, or three months. So whenever you come in the kitchen, he just automatically brings your trade. Does anybody have it like that? They call it contracts.

Contracts. Does anybody have it like that scene in Goodfellas where they're in there cooking, they got a razor blade, and they're chopping up the garlic, and they're frying steak? Does anybody have it set up like they have a cell blade and they're chopping chopping up the garlic and they're frying steak does anybody have it set up like like they have they have like a cell that's pretty badass damn no no no well you know what wait a minute they do fix their cells up yeah but not with outside stuff you know they might have an outside radio with outside speakers uh stuff like that there may be a blanket you, that comes from the outside. But you can't have a bed that comes from the outside.

In Goodfellas, they had like a whole apartment in jail. They were walking around with slacks on and shit. No, no, no, no. You can't have that in the feds. They're going to make sure everybody has the same bed. Oh, okay. Some guys have special mattresses. Special mattresses?

Yeah, you can get a special mattress. Tell them about the last day before you left when all your guys come in and sleep in your cell. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they stayed. My last night that I left, I left at like 4 in the morning. So about seven or eight guys, you know, that I studied with and like my best friends at the institution, you know. We just hung out all night, you know, ate chips and talked and, you know, talked about what I was going to do when I got out. Wow.

And, you know, just a going away party. That sounds like you were a loved guy in there, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had a lot of love in prison. You know, it's crazy because even in prison, when I play basketball or something like that or football and people want to follow me hard you know the guys be like man you can't do that to Rick you know I mean even right now you know this guy's on the street they want to hurt this dude Wow they they come up to me all the time in LA like man when I'm gonna see him almost punch him in the face like

Snooki got punched in the face. Going to Snooki him. Yeah, I went by a gym a couple weeks ago, and this guy came up to me. He's like, big homie, when I see him, it's on, on sight. I was like, huh? I was like, no, man. So I just get a lot of love, you know, because, you know, the people know my heart. They knew that even though I did something that was wrong, it was out of ignorance and not on purpose that I did what I did. Well, your story is very fascinating. And for the people that didn't hear the first time you were on the podcast, you were a really good tennis player.

And you essentially, I bet you are. You look like you're in great shape. But you essentially had nowhere to go outside of high school because you couldn't read. Yeah. Couldn't read. You couldn't go to college. You couldn't. You stuck.

Crazy. I stuck myself. I mean, and you know what me and Antonio found out is like 65% of the guys in prison can't read. Wow. So that would be one of the first things to do to combat prison okay let's make sure we teach all these guys how to read they don't teach you shit once you get in there right no you had to force yourself you had to learn yourself i had to learn myself what i you know i had a life sentence so i had i had a great reason to learn how to read and my lawyer

was like well i'm not real motivated you don't have much money wow so i'm not really said that to you yeah he told me that he really said that to you i'm not real motivated you don't have much money wow so i'm not really said that to you yeah he told me that he really said that to you i'm not real motivated you don't have much money and you know what he also told me something that that may be the best thing that he ever did for me in my whole life and he told me these words here he said anytime somebody else wants for you something more than you want it for yourself then you're in trouble so what i took from that is that he was telling me that if i was depending on him to get me out of prison then i was in trouble so i took matters into my own hand well only one percent of people ever give back a federal life sentence and for six years he had one that's amazing it's an amazing it's an amazing story too

it's amazing how uh the whole thing transpired and the fact that you didn't know how to read when you first started on your journey to try to figure out what was wrong with your case that's incredible because i mean you literally from the ground up how to do it i did from the ground up that's why i know that just about anybody can do it. What was it like before you could read? When you were 28 years old and you would see, like, some shit written somewhere, what did it look like to you? You got to remember he was rich, too. Yeah. So he has to read a lot of things as a rich person.

Yeah, right. Well, you know, a lot of times I faked it if it was somebody around. I faked, you know, that I could read. Right. And I would look at it as if I had read it and then would pass it on to them. Like, say, for contracts, when I would go buy a house. Well, I would look at the contract for a little while and try to figure out in my mind how long it would take a person to read the contract. That's hilarious.

And then I would hand it to whoever was with me and tell them to read it and then ask them, well, what do you think about this contract? And then they would give me their opinion. Well, I think this and i think that and then i would come up with my own decision from from there so when you were looking at the pieces of paper what were you thinking just 1001 1002 i wish i could read i wish i could read 1004 i wish i could read i should have studied that's such a why why can i learn how to read so what was wrong with me when i was going to school did anybody around you know that you didn't ever know how to read i don't know because i hit it and and you know when you got money what you find out is you get a lot of people around you that just you know and tell you what you

want to hear and they don't question right and they and they can handle things for you too. Yeah. So you just relied on that. Yeah. What did it look like when you looked at, like, if you looked at the cover of this Rolling Stone and you saw all these letters? I can't remember now because I can do it. I don't know if I would have looked at a Rolling Stone. Really?

I don't know if I would have, you know. I mean, when you can't read, you know, why are you going to be looking? I don't think I ever tried to read a magazine until I got to prison. Did like when when you see it do you remember that if you recognize the letters in my family had a magazine when i was growing up wow a magazine wasn't something that would i mean who in my house would have bought a magazine my mother wouldn't my brothers you know is there any books i don't think so what kind of books would have been in our house my brothers was you know, uh, is there any books? I don't think so. What kind of books would have been in our house? My brothers was in the same position. You know, my oldest brother can't read. Uh, even right now he has problem reading. Uh, my younger brothers could read, but I mean, what was they going to read?

You know, they're going to follow in my footsteps and my older brother footsteps. So I don't think that we had books in our house. And we got to remember, this is like fresh off of Jim Crow. This is five years after Jim Crow. I think even though we say Jim Crow ended in 65, 66, it probably didn't set in until the late 70s. Right. Yeah, it's kind of crazy when you wrap your head around people saying that people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. I don't think a lot of people understand how bad it is in some areas.

And they can't even wrap their head around what it is like to grow up where no one else can read. Yeah, it is. Or no one else tells you that you should read. In our neighborhood, the guys are telling you, you're crazy for reading. You're crazy for reading. Yeah, yeah. They're they're gonna tell you uh man get your snatch bar you know go get you a hoe a snatch bar that's what they call it yeah snatch bar is a a piece of equipment that they use to steal cars oh oh oh you snatched the mission out with it i thought that was a girl you were talking about oh it's like a snack hole with this girl out with it. I thought that was a girl you were talking about. Oh, it was a snatch bar.

No, the hoe was the girl. And then he said, go get you a hoe. I was like, that's another. The hoe was the girl. Did you know what he was talking about? Yeah. Snatch bar? Brian's totally gangster.

The hoe was the girl, you know, because we stayed on Figueroa, so. Right. Man, get you a hoe. That's how I make it. Just put the book down. You're being silly. Yeah, and you're not going to make it. Get you a sack.

Wow. Get you a pistol and rob. You're not going to make it. Get you a sack. Wow. Slang. Get you a pistol and rob. How many people around you were, when you were growing up, were not doing crime?

Where I was growing up at? Yeah. I don't know. It was just constant everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Crime was accepted. In my community, crime was accepted.

That was one of the things that they were really fascinated about me lasting so long in the drug business is that my neighbors allowed me to do it. I mean, my neighbors could have had me arrested immediately because they knew what I was doing. I've even had neighbors to, one time I stashed some drugs inside a brick wall in between my mom's house and my neighbor's house and it fell through the fence into her yard and so she picks up i don't know maybe like two hundred thousand dollars worth of dope oh my god takes it in her house and then she tells my mom uh tell rick to come by here and see me and so when when i come my mom say uh mary joyce said come and see her and instantly i knew i knew what it was you know instantly so i go over there and i was like you know i got my head down you know all set because this lady is like my auntie right we grew up next to her and then she says i got your bag in the room uh whenever you get ready for it just tell me to bring it to you.

Whoa. So, you know, when I go get the bag, then the next day I have guys to come over and do like a $5,000 paint job on her house, you know. Go paint that house. Nice. That's a smart way to handle it, man. That's the diplomatic way of keeping the community happy. Yeah, you got to. And that was the kind of goodwill that i got in my in my neighborhood now she was anti-drugs because her daughter was was on drugs was on drugs

before i started selling drugs her daughter used to be on pcp and it was all strung out but she respected what i did and she allowed me to to conduct my business in her neighborhood which i ran it respectfully, too. You know, wasn't no guns, wasn't no gangbangers. Wasn't nobody going to get robbed over there. You know, I made sure that. You're not going to come over here doing no robbing. How did you keep it so civil?

I mean, how did you avoid the normal pitfalls? Well, I was willing to do whatever it took. You know, I was the police around here. I policed my neighborhood. Wow. You know, you do something around here, you know, was the police around here i policed my neighborhood wow you know you you do something around here you know i'm gonna deal with you that's amazing like how much of an area did you control uh los angeles at one time that's amazing i mean you know if it was a

time man when when a certain set of the christrips and Bloods would get into it, and they would come and report to me. Man, you know those guys did such and such. And we're going to retaliate. Hold up. Let me go talk to them. Wow. So, you know, and a lot of my guys said that I really put on the first peace treaty, you know,

because for the first time that we ever saw man it was crips and blood selling drugs on the same streets wow and i mean you know money money will make you work together you know money will make you work is that what brought the crips and the bloods together no no not the end the the the time in when rodney king happened that's what brought them together rodney king yeah but they they had been working together before that. They had sold drugs together. Crips and Bloods had sold drugs together in the 80s. Oh, I see. And Rodney King, he recently passed away.

Something drug-related, wasn't he? Drowned or something like that? Drowned, yeah. Got too high. I don't even know what it was. Yeah, that's what I had read. It was in his system. He had a lot of stuff.

Yeah, that's what I had read. It was in his system. He had a lot of stuff. It's amazing that that sort of opened up people's eyes to what the fuck had happened. You get pulled over by the police. Like a lot of times people, they had heard stories. But whoever sees it. I got this.

I don't know. I done experienced it. See all these scars in my face? Yeah. That's flashlight therapy, baby. Oh, shit. I done had the dog bite me up's flashlight therapy, baby. Oh, shit. I didn't have the dog bite me up while I was handcuffed. Oh, God.

I got the boot marks in my back, you know, where they stomp me. I didn't been through it. I was Rodney King like four or five years before Rodney King. Most people who have never seen that before Rodney King had no idea that that could go on. Unless you saw like the video from the Chicago, was it the Democratic Convention in the 60s where the cops beat the fuck out of those kids? I don't know. Yeah, there was some convention in the 60s where the cops just beat the fuck out of these kids with clubs. And it was horrific because it was on TV and people got to see it for the first time on the news. It was before Kent State when they shot those kids who were protesting the vietnam war

yeah and it was um it was one of the first times but then the rodney king one was like a recent one you know it wasn't the news doing it was one of the first ones where people with a camera because the whole camera thing was like a fairly new thing where a regular person would have a video camera before you would have a video camera. Before, you would have to be a guy who was making movies or some shit. Right. But it got to the point where the technology got to the, like, the common person could have a video camera. And then, boom, they could catch someone doing something.

Now they got guys in South Central that got little cameras that they strap to their chest and walk around with it. And I forgot what they call them but uh they have them on all the time all the time they say that's the way they keep the police off of them brian brian has glasses i have glasses and a pen it looks like a big pen but it's like does hd oh yeah you can just set it down on you know and record hd and yeah they have that spy shop where that's all they specialize in like shit that you can like wear hats and stuff that film and things along those lines. Yeah.

I was with, uh, with a, with a guy the other night and he had this thing and I was like, man, what's that on your chest? He said, Oh,

that's my police camera. He said, they can't cut it off either. Cops got busted recently slamming some girl to the ground, picked her up and slammed her twice. You see why she got pulled over though? No. She got pulled over, though? No. She got pulled over for a cell phone ticket.

That's it? Wow. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was a cell phone ticket. Oh, my God. Those cell phone tickets, you know, they're saying that's like $120. But everyone I know that has got one, it's been like $800, $900.

Why is it that much? Court fees or something? Yeah, like there's all these extra charges to it and stuff damn well i guess that's why they slammed into the ground it was 800. owes money pay up that's ridiculous pay up the enforcer i think cops are used to doing that i think they've been doing that since the beginning of time have you heard of that one cop that they found in florida that might be a serial killer yeah with the wife no different guy i know that guy too but another guy who uh pulled over two uh separate people said yeah said he brought him to the circle k and uh dropped him out and then

there's no video at the circle k the security camera does not show him or the guy there there's no evidence of him making calls that he allegedly makes and he also runs like searches on these people and says that he doesn't even know who they are like I don't even remember meeting anybody like I don't know like he's had like three different stories I found the car abandoned like he's got all these different stories but meanwhile both guys are completely off the face of the earth they vanished and there's just people that he just pulled over for speeding for whatever whatever. Dexter Morgan. Yeah.

There's some sick motherfuckers out there. His mom was interviewing him. She's like, he would definitely call me if he was alive. I was like, wow. Yes, I heard that. One's black. One's Latino. Yeah, the Latino guy didn't even speak English.

They were both from Mexico. And him and his brother were separated. The cop took his brother, said he was going to drop him off at Circle Taste. Just kill this motherfucker. Probably. Who knows? cop took his brother said he's gonna drop him off at circle taste just kill this motherfucker just probably who knows you know i think they i think human beings when they we they get into a position of power they lose objectivity and they start looking at it as a us versus them thing you know especially i don't know joe i think that's a pessimistic view a little bit because i look at rick and i think that one of the aspirational parts of him is that he got into power, and he shared it.

It's not everyone, sure. But I think, for the most part, that is how people behave. I mean, that's how cops behave. It's not every cop that behaves like that, obviously. I know a lot of good cops, especially from jujitsu, from martial arts. I'm always around cops. And I know a lot of them that are really cool. But I know a lot of cops that are cunts.

And it just is what it is and and i think the ones like the serial killer guy you know and the the ones like uh the guy who slams those people on the ground i mean those those guys exist you know it's uh and they have absolute power yeah but how about the fucking kid who was handcuffed and shot himself in the back of the head yeah in the car in the police In the backseat of a police car. Handcuffed. They didn't find a gun on him, but he had a gun. So he pulls out the gun and shoots himself in the head. Hmm.

Wow. Like, what? And I think it was for like a DUI or something crazy, right? It wasn't even like anything that serious. It wasn't like he was going to go to jail for the rest of his life. Not that a DUI isn't serious, but I don't know if it's serious enough to get you to kill yourself yeah i should i should actually say what the fuck that is i should i should google that man i saw i saw louis ck last night at the improv yeah and man that guy is rolling around like a rock star now he sold out two shows at the thing and then went

to the comedy store and sold out the main room in 20 minutes. Yeah, and he had a midnight show, and I think he sold the tickets in cash at the door. Cash only. That's hilarious. And wow, man. All new material. How was it? I wasn't even allowed in the room.

That's how crazy packed it was. I couldn't even look in the room at the comedy store, which is, if you know the comedy store, you're a regular, you usually can like sit in the back or like look in the back. Couldn't even do that. It was too packed. That's amazing, man.

But everyone said it was amazing shows. Yeah, Ari asked me if I wanted to go but I was too tired. I'm trying to find out what this kid did. I don't know.

They're just, this, this, I don't want to keep looking but the whole thing's crazy like that a person could handcuff handcuff shoot themselves in the temple i mean and joe that's part of that is the danger of this of this rapper and we did an article on loop 21 uh called uh rick ross hip-hop's war against black men where we really talk about the danger of putting out these perpetual criminal black man images yeah and uh we looked more at Trayvon at that time and just discussed the reality and this is an interview of me and Rick and we discussed the

reality of when you put that image out how it creates fear-mongering not only amongst the cops but also regular citizens like Zimmerman yeah people just have that already in their head when they see Trayvon with the iced tea walking home. Absolutely insane. Yeah, it's the perpetual criminal image. Really, the way it entered into white society was gangster rap in the 80s. Because before that, there was never any entertainers that would brag about being criminals like that shit didn't exist no it never existed in rock and roll there was a little bit of like a shot of man and reno just to watch him die i mean that was about as crazy as it got you know it never got like nwa i mean i remember i was a kid

and i was listening to nwa while i was on i was on a stair climber and i was like this is the craziest shit i've ever heard listen to what the fuck they're saying like this is nuts like they are just out and i was thinking man society's going down the shitter this is craziness absolutely and then you look at that cover you come back to the question that you asked why does he have to look like that right was that the whole photo shoot or was that just the craziest shot that they found in the photo shoot? At least he doesn't have a gun on him. At least he's not holding a diamond-crusted gun.

Come on, pull up your pants. What is this sagging thing, man? Put on a shirt and just take a nice picture. What did he say he has a nice picture? Take a nice picture. Take a nice picture for church. Put it on, Mills. This is a fucking underwear photo.

Look at his underwear. It's so silly. What that picture is, is I don't care. But they do have a picture of him in his uniform. In his correctional officer's uniform. Oh, do they really? When he get his award. You know, he was the best CEO at the Academy.

The best. What do you have to do to be the best? Perfect attendance. That's what he got an award for. Get a guy that got an extra stamp and an extra soup. Oh, yup. There's a picture of him. A guy that kissed his girlfriend too long on the visit, and you bust his ass and put him in the hole. Is that what he does?

Yeah. Or they're rapping over there, and then you... You break up the rap group and steal all the lyrics. Oh, give me all those papers. Do you think he stole lyrics from people, too? Oh, absolutely. For sure? Yeah, he doesn't

write his own music is there a lot of rappers in jail that are talented guys that are stuck oh yeah really guys in jail got stories you know they they they they they've been there yeah you see it live. That is so ridiculous. It's so strange to see a guy. Why didn't he put that on the cover? No, but look at the cover. It's two different people. It's two different people.

That beard does look like Ali G in The Dictator. Yeah. Brian, see if you can pull up anything about his beard being fake. I tried looking for it. Nothing? Yeah, I didn't. Shit looks fake. I'm going with it's fake.

Even if it's not fake, who cares? The whole thing is silly. It's silly and ridiculous. Listen, man. I hope the one thing that we got out of this podcast is we started the Rick Ross podcast. That's what you need to do. And by the way, just call it the Rick Ross podcast. And this fool is going to get you millions of listeners almost immediately. And you could spell it out at the beginning of every podcast, just nice and clean and simple. If you go into this

podcast thinking that it's Rick Ross, the rapper, you've been misled. This is the real Rick Ross that Rick Ross, the rapper ripped his name off from you know why because i was one of the most successful drug dealers in the history of the united states and i went to jail and he thought i was going to jail for life but i learned how to read in jail and i got out because i found a hole in the fucking case and now here i am on the rick ross podcast boom that's the beginning of every episode. They would listen to that, and then every kid who would listen to it, who was probably a Rick Ross fan, the fake guy, the rapper, would listen to that first couple seconds. Just you saying, if you thought this was Rick Ross, the rapper, nope, this is the dude that Rick Ross stole his fucking name from. People would be like, what?

Stole his name? Then they get out their phones and start Googling shit. That alone might take this dude down. Or at least get him to pay. would be like what stole his name then they get out their phones and start googling shit that alone might take this dude down or at least get him to pay yeah well we got a lot of pressure on the man i mean we every time he comes out with something if you really search the internet like that article came out on that friday right and we did a release a a letter rick uh rick and i sat down i got his ideas and We did a letter. For the whole weekend, when you searched

Rick Ross Rolling Stone, you can search it right now. Check it on Google. If you search Rick Ross Rolling Stone, the top replies are our stuff. If you just do Rick Ross, the thing that comes up news for Rick Ross is you. People that are

searching for him automatically see the number one news thing is an interview with you. Show them Rick Ross is you. So people that are searching for him automatically see the number one news thing is an interview with you. Show him Rick Ross Rolling Stone on Google. The whole thing's crazy. It is. America's crazy, though. America's crazy.

It's definitely bizarre. You got a phone call to make? Yeah. I'm going to tell you how to find the beard. Oh, okay. The fake beard thing? That's funny. He's determined to let the world know about the fake beard thing that's funny he's he's determined to let the world know about this fake beard thing that's my trademark he stole my trademark the beard as well the name's

not enough he had he went and got a fake beard if you find out that beard is fake that is so crazy right now you finna see just that statement you finna see i can't i can't wait i can't wait to see it god i hope it's really good you find it brian you know what to search for now oh i gotta see this i gotta see fake beard come on son that's ridiculous that's gonna be the rap right that's ridiculous but the internet levels the whole playing field on terms of like even if if mass media doesn't want to cover certain things what the internet allows us to do is is immediately put pressure through oh wow when did you notice the most the most look at this that's not is that him no That's not. Is that him? No, that's not him. That's not him.

That's how you do it, I guess. That's the style of how you do it, how you fill it in. Well, go to him, man. Let's find him. This is just a dude getting a beard trim. I think this is what they're talking about. No, what they're saying is how you fill it in if it isn't coming in all together. Okay, yeah.

What you use. Yeah. Yeah, but we got to see him do it, though. I don't think they have him do it. Oh, my God. Oh, there's no actual Rick Ross footage of him getting his... No, no, no. Okay.

Damn. We're just speculating. That's not good enough. You want facts. Yeah, we got to find out the actual facts. We can't just talk shit on the dude. There's enough shit to talk shit on anyway. I mean, how is this guy sagging?

Look at this. Look at the stuff they use. They're putting paste on his face. That's like that spirit gum that you use for fake mustaches that it looks like, which is like a really sticky. Old men use it on their head. Yeah, glue. And then it looks like they're... No, they're gluing some fake hair on this

fool's face oh wow this is not just like the the the spray on i've never seen this this is like fake actual hairs are in there oh oh this is crazy oh that's disgusting that's exactly how look how stupid that looks yeah that's exactly how he does it though i mean it's but look how stupid that looks who would want a's exactly how he does it, though. I mean, it's... But look how stupid that looks. Who would want a beard that looks like that? A superhero. Yeah, that's like a wax figure. It looks perfect, though.

It looks so weird. It's so weird. Look at that booger. That is a very strange thing. That's how you get a perfect beard. That's a strange thing to do with your fucking time. See, I don't even want mine perfect no more. Yeah. You're better off the way you are. That's a strange thing to do with your fucking time. See, I don't even want mine perfect no more. Yeah.

You're better off the way you are. That looks like madness. Yeah. That looks like a crazy person. Like, he's determined to get that shit perfectly smooth. It's creepy. What is the best thing that's come out of this, man? Well, out of my whole life, the best thing that's come out now is that I'm able to go back and tell kids the real story,

how a person can go from being a tennis player to selling drugs almost overnight. One day I was a tennis player, and the next day I'm a drug dealer. day I'm a drug dealer. So it's not like they tell you that this big mean monster is going to come down and start you to selling drugs. One of my best friends taught me selling drugs. He showed me cocaine for my first time. He explained it to me. He sold me on the idea. And what I think is so important that these kids know that that's how you're going to get induced to drugs, not by some stranger, not from Rick Ross, the drug dealer's not going to come down and introduce you to drugs. You know, it's going to be somebody close to you. So I think with me using my experience and my story to educate the world, you know,

I believe that we definitely need educating. And that's what I'm doing now. You know, we're doing a documentary called Cracking the System. We still underfunded. Doing it with Mark Levin. Mark Levin is the HBO director who just did Prayer for a Perfect Season and Lost on Long Island in Hard Times. It's nominated for some Emmys.

We expect to be we expect to get some oscar nods on this documentary it's that powerful there's so many different facets and phases of your life it's so interesting to have your you know run in los angeles phase to being incarcerated with no hope of escaping phase to figuring out how to read phase to now educating kids phase this is uh i mean what is that what is it like to be at this phase of your life now like reflecting back on all the the madness of the previous phases it's like wow you know uh this is what you had to go through to become who you are today you know had i not went through all those, had I not been bitten by the dog, beaten in

the head with flashlights, had drugs planted on you by the police, could I be able to rationalize all the things that I ration with right now? Being able to sit in prison with a guy that you gave his first drug to and he has a life sentence. And at one time we both got life sentences. This guy wanted to be like me so much that he not only copied me, but he also went to prison with me, had a life sentence with me. We walked a track, and then I have to walk, when I walked out of prison, to leave him there.

All these things shaped me for who I am today, and I believe that that's what gives me the ability to be able to walk in a boardroom with an Ori Emanuel or Jeff Byrd or Michael Linton and then I can leave from there and go to South Central to Watts and go to Jordan High School and sit there and talk to the kids. How many dudes get out after long stretches like that and they become institutionalized and they can't take the regular world i think it's it's it's a lot i mean even myself i was institutionalized when i was in prison i mean because i function in prison uh at a high level you know prison didn't affect me you know like right now even when when i got into it with my po and he was

talking about sending me back i was like like, send me back for a year. A year is nothing. You know, I can do a year on a handstand, you know. So I believe that it's very easy to get institutionalized. It's very easy to start to go with the flow, start to like being there, to say that the world on the outside is not real, you know, that being in here is what's real. I mean, I had a friend I just heard a couple weeks ago. He did 20 years flat with me.

We started out at the same time. As a matter of fact, he started out a little before I did. And before that, he did juvenile hall and had been incarcerated all his life. Before that, he did juvenile hall and had been incarcerated all his life. Well, just the other week, he went and did one of the stupidest crimes that you can't believe it. He almost had a life sentence for crack cocaine. He went and sold somebody two ounces of crack cocaine out here. And now he's back in jail and he's looking at a life sentence all over again or 20 years.

God damn. And the guy is intelligent this guy graduated from college so while he was in prison he went to college he got degrees i mean just a brilliant guy but did he move right back home to his like own old stomping ground he had nowhere else to go where was he gonna go yeah i mean you know you get out of jail out of jail, you do 20 years. You don't have anything. You don't have anybody. I mean, you know, he was lucky that his father took him in. And, you know, he just slid back in, you know, to what he knew. You know, I think drugs becomes like a crutch for the seller.

You know, where if something goes wrong, he knows how to fix it. And that's go out and sell him some drugs. And, you know know now i got a place to live i got gas in my car i'm eating uh i'm respectful again you know do you think that any of that could ever be stopped is there a i mean you must have spent a lot of time thinking about the whole system of illegal drug trade and you know what got you into is there a way to ever stop that what we're going to have to give real opportunity not fake opportunity uh like so many people are selling right now you know so many people right now are selling us fake opportunity when there's really no opportunities

there's no manufacturing jobs you know they send all our jobs overseas i mean if you want to be a operator you got to go to India, you know. So what we're going to have to do is figure out how we can make our people feel important again. How do you make a person feel important? Can that stop drugs, though? Can that stop the sale of drugs? And if drugs are illegal, are they always going to be wanted? Is it always going to be a market for them that's a criminal market? Absolutely. I believe that the only way we can solve this drug problem is with education because, like you said, as long as there's a demand for drugs, there's going to be a supplier.

Once we end the demand, then the suppliers will automatically go away because they're not going to be standing around holding drugs that nobody wants. Right. So we've got to educate people. That's a high level of education, the point where they don't want drugs. Because even this motherfucker loves drugs. He's always getting fucked up. I think there's one thing inside of what Rick is saying that's very powerful. And we've got to realize that when the seller is selling,

his drug isn't only the money. It's the power and the respect. And if you can find an alternate way for that person, then I'm not saying get the same level of respect, but be respected. Then you can give them an alternate route that isn't as dangerous. They might choose that over the extra money. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Well, everybody would most certainly choose a karma free form of success over success. success that involves real dangerous shit and going to jail and getting shot.

It's just how do we get people to aspire that high? I mean, we've got to do a lot of work on the culture of this country, just the way we raise human beings. I mean, all of this from snooki to this ridiculous nonsense that we feed each other it's like oh it's okay if it's just you at the airport picking it up and laughing but it's the people that actually get influenced by that influenced by this ding dong culture of nonsense and and fake drug sales and and fake shooting people it's like what what are we promoting like what the fuck are we doing is it just a a mad money grab and fake shooting people it's like what what are we promoting like what the fuck are we doing is it just a a mad money grab and these people do it with no responsibility

i mean they don't have any responsibility i i think that if you allow a magazine to put a guy in there who's saying and i sell drugs they should be held accountable for that i mean because all i did in selling drugs let me tell you what I did in selling drugs, really, because you know I didn't manufacture the drugs. Right. All I did was got the drugs from one guy and hand them to another guy. So if you're handing off drug information, then you should be liable for that type of information.

If you're putting out records, were you telling kids to go out and sell drugs, to parlay that into a record career? And it's funny because that sounds outlandish, but when we look at NWA, you talked putting out records, were you telling kids to go out and sell drugs to parlay that into a record career? And it's funny because that sounds outlandish. But when we look at N.W.A., you talked about them earlier. The FBI went after N.W.A. When cops started getting shot up after N.W.A. came out with the cop killer song, the FBI had made an attempt to charge N.W.A. Wasn't that Ice-T, actually?

Wasn't that a cop killer? No, but they had one, too. They had a cop killer song, too? Fuck the police. Fuck the police fuck the police but the fbi went after them under the concept that they're perpetuating image they're putting out that's making people do this and the same thing goes that's what when it should go it should go it should go but they're making money off the drug trade in a in a sort of a peripheral entertainment based way right that's what it is. So they really are making money off the glamorization of the drug trade.

But you, you, you, you forget the other part of it, which is, I mean, sometimes you see, I don't know if you've ever seen where they'll rip down a building just to create the jobs that build the building back up. What they're making money off of now is actually ripping down black men's lives in some of these cases. Cause like what's happening is these black men come out in these areas and I'm a former prosecutor here in LA and these black men are born into certain areas where

they're crime riddled they're drugged they're drug uh infested and then essentially they go out and they sell the drugs and instead of fixing the drug problem by saying we're not gonna let the drugs in the community no more what they do is is then push them into prison but you gotta remember it's not just pushing them into prison there's jobs all along the way which is like somebody got to type in uh his name somebody got to uh file his his paper right these are jobs for everybody else other than the black people that get to uh basically manage this this destruction of these this man's life yeah there is unquestionably a whole industry involved in keeping people locked up. There's an industry involved in going after people.

There's an industry involved in even making sure that people continue to commit crimes, making sure that things that shouldn't even be crimes stay crimes, so as to keep people in jail. And that's hard for people to accept, especially those no-nonsense Mitt Romney-loving dudes. Oh, that's not the way things work. You're a crazy conspiracy theorist. But no, that's not the way things work you're a crazy conspiracy theorist but no that really is we're gonna pay forty thousand dollars to keep you in prison but

we're not gonna give you a job where you can make eighteen thousand a year and then you won't commit a crime it's crazy how many people are in jail and I don't think most people understand that the numbers in America are higher than anywhere else in the world this is the crazy part is uh the numbers in america right now are about 700 per hundred thousand like the highest the highest that you've seen basically in the world but the highest rate ever in a recorded nation is about 800 per hundred thousand that was in russia during the during the war camps uh the high during the african apartheid for the africans that were oppressed it was was like $8.52 per hundred thousand. For black men today, between $25,000 and $35,000, it's $10,000 per hundred thousand that are in prison.

Holy shit. Ten times the highest rate ever. And the thing is, it's not even part of the DNC convention at all. No discussion of it as a platform. So you have all these. When you watch the convention, and funny enough, this is no degrade, but it's a platform so you have all these when you watch the convention and funny enough this is no degrade but it's a lot of african-american women well if your father or your brother or your uncle's in prison you should demand that that's part of their platform how is that not part of their platform like that that they address why all these men have went to prison

for non-violent offenses for as long as they have yeah when the numbers are that high, it seems like that's a social academic. It's an epidemic. They have to figure out what caused that situation and treat it like an outbreak of a disease. Like there's something fucking terribly wrong in this one area. This one area, what was the number again? 10,000 per 100,000.

For black men between 25 and 35. Overall, it's 5,000 per 100,000. So that men, between 25 and 35. Overall, it's 5,000 per 100,000. So that tells you the old ones aren't going to prison as much as the young ones. It's a scary number. That's a terrifying number. Because 10,000 for 100,000, that's one in 10. Yeah, one in 10. That's insane.

Yeah. One in 10 in jail. That's not even counting the ones that are cycling. That doesn't even make sense that seems like it's impossible because you think about it how many people are actually in the hood it's not all black guys are in the hood so a lot of black guys are glowing growing up in suburban neighborhoods you have to factor in the hood must be way higher than one in ten it's probably 50 it's probably something nutty like that don't talk about unemployment or something like that.

When they talk about these numbers like 15%, I think it's 50%. That's not me. You know what the numbers are? They're only in people who haven't been looking. When people stop looking, the numbers don't show up anymore. Like my brothers. They're not looking for jobs. They don't even count on unemployment.

I mean, I don't understand unemployment rates. I don't understand how rates i don't know i don't understand how a president can create jobs either when they talk we've created a hundred thousand jobs like what did you what did you do to create jobs legalize something yeah that's it right yeah no shit man it's a strange world we have to figure out a way to make it profitable for evil companies to make people smarter and and clean up crime if have to figure out a way to make it profitable for evil companies to make people smarter and clean up crime. If we could figure out a way to take Halliburton out of Iraq and have them rebuild South Central, make it a trillion-dollar contract to rebuild fucked-up areas, wouldn't that be an amazing way to use resources? Absolutely.

There's no lithium in South Central, though. There's not, but if you really believe that's no lithium in South Central, though. There's not, but if you really believe that's why we're in Iraq, yeah. But you've got to think that there has got to be some benefit in the resource of human beings and developing intelligent human beings.

Joe Rogan, this is a country that had slavery. By the way, every country had slavery. Every single country. Not only that, most of them still do. I wonder how many countries still rock. I mean, including America. I mean, we're playing games if we pretend that we don't have slavery here.

Because all people that are here without green cards are working for cash, essentially are slaves. All those poor fucks who can't get a green card. You sneak over here from Mexico, man. Good luck. You sneak over here from anywhere else. Good luck. You've got to exist, you know, day to day, hoping you don't get found out. You're never going to make more than a certain amount of money unless you do something illegal.

You know, I mean, and how many people are slavery in other countries where they take people's passports away and they make them work on construction sites? There's a lot of slavery still going on. They're always busting people here and there for a basement full of indentured servants you know it's it's it's like slavery officially went away but it's still there's parts of the world where slavery is pretty goddamn commonplace that's amazing in 2012 where that fucked up yeah you know imagine you'd imagine that that was something we could have got rid of what's amazing when you think of how recent slavery in the United States was. Yes, it is.

A couple hundred years ain't shit. No, it's not even a couple hundred years. There was a PBS special called Slavery by Another Name. I had Rick watch it. The guy that did the documentary worked for the Wall Street Journal. And what he showed is that while we ended slavery with the

Emancipation Proclamation in the 1860s, we didn't really end slavery until 1945. That's when the FBI, when you said, my brother is being held as a slave on this farm, that's the first time the FBI went and investigated it. So for 80 years, they just let it go?

They just let it go. And then, this is the kicker. I didn't, Ier. He showed that between 1865 and 1960 only one white person was ever convicted of a murder of a black man. One time. Whoa. And these are

the Democratic National Convention again didn't talk about any of that. They didn't see the documentary. Oh, yeah. See, you know, there's people that that's really 1940, the previous century that might control, like, the fate of millions and millions and millions of Americans that are in fucked up situations?

It just seems like to me, I've always said this, I'll say it one more time, that the society's stronger when you have less losers. It would seem to me that if you really wanted to make America better, you don't go to foreign countries. You take all the kids that are growing up fucked up and you figure out a way to get them counselors. You figure out that are growing up fucked up and you figure out a way to get them counselors you figure out a way to bring in sports you figure out a way to get them education you figure out a way to it seems to be way cheaper to do that than it would

be to go to afghanistan with tanks you know you would send this cocaine worse than crack what's that i said you would send this cocaine worse than crack too that seems like logical as well that that whole thing is silly isn't it crack is worse than cocaine if for as far as sentencing right it was 100 times worse they moved it to 18 and didn't do it retroactive 100 times worse it was sentenced 100 times worse so so to put it in context so people can understand for five little rocks you got sentenced the same amount as if you had half a kilo whoa that's crazy and it's not just about the size of it. It's the realization that only a few people would get to a half a kilo level of sales. Everybody does this five rock

sales level. So it was just to pull crackheads off the street at will. They could just lock everybody in jail as long as they wanted to. And when were private prisons introduced into the society? Probably around 80, 89, something like that. We should find out, huh? We should know. That seems like a fucking huge Reagan-era mistake. You know, when were private prisons invented? But I know they definitely corrupted the system.

When you let big corporations get into prisons, you know. You know, that number like I gave you earlier, black imprisonment in the 70s was like 10%. 92. First happened in the United Kingdom. In 1992, they figured it out. These motherfuckers. Adds a lot of jobs to the economy, though. Yeah.

Crazy. Yeah, I guess it does, right? Yeah, you got to have somebody to process, file the paperwork. You got correctional officers. Feeding them. Yeah, like William and I. Somebody got to feed them, grow the food, even though they grow the food themselves, but they won't feed that food to the prisoners.

Actually, in the United States, in England, they started in the 90s. But in the United States, they've been doing it since the 1800s. Beginning in 1868, convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their workforce. And that's part of this documentary, Slavery by Another Name, as well. their workforce and then that's part in this documentary uh slavery by another name as well what they showed is that is that chase jp morgan after slavery ended in 1865 what they did effectively is they would make it a crime for you not to have a job it's called vagrancy laws and then once they captured you they would give you like three days but once you couldn't pay that your fees made it so like it was just longer and longer and then they would throw you in the mind

to work it off and then you would die in the mine that's essentially what they're saying here they're saying that farmers and businessmen needed to find replacements for the labor force once their slaves had been freed so beginning in 1868 convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their workforce that's's fucking crazy. They just found a loophole. They made people go right back to slavery by just locking them up in jail. So jail really essentially private prisons are an offshoot of slavery. It really is an extension. There's something called the pig law.

That was a, and it's funny because the number is more important than the name of the law. The pig law, the minimum sentence. If you stole, if you were a black guy, you stole a white guy's pig. You were given five years and a felony status well the mandatory minimum for crack

is five years in a felony status wow so i mean so they're not you know too genius with it so what happens was in what they did was they did this in the 1860s after slavery was instituted, was made illegal. But then in the 1980s, that's when shit kicked into the next level, and that was the crack epidemic. The crack epidemic actually opened up the door to ushering a new era of private prisons. Absolutely. It's amazing, man. That's what I see. They realized they can make money.

Yeah, absolutely. And then if you look at this music, this music doesn't help because it perpetuates and it's almost like it's like Viagra with sex. You listen to this music, you become a little violent,

angry little person, and then you do something that you normally might not do if you listen to Marvin Gaye. It's true. It's a good point. You won't hurt nobody listening to Marvin Gaye. Yeah.

The modern private prison business first emerged and established itself publicly in 1984 when the Corrections Corporation of America was awarded a contract to take over a facility in Hamilton County, Tennessee. How much would it suck to go to jail in hamilton county tennessee when these motherfuckers passed that law yeah they will put you in this mine and then you wouldn't even see the light of day and they would and to think about being a a prisoner versus a slave they said is that at least as a slave you were property so they had some value for you as property but when you're a prisoner they just throw you away so then they treat you worse unbelievable they would just call the jail and tell him oh he died yeah prison is

worse than slavery we need another one you have there's a benefit for you being able to work to be healthy so there's a benefit of them feeding you and keeping you alive private companies in the united states operate 264 correctional facilities. Holy shit. Private prisons, there's 264 of them in this country. They house almost 99,000 adult convicts. This is insane, man. That's crazy. That's a scary, scary, scary statistic.

It just makes you really wonder who's paying attention to any of this. Why everybody's going over here. what about gay marriage like you need to pay attention to the craziness at the base of our society well look what they did with the crack law no they said okay the crack law was wrong we're gonna make it 18 to 1 but there's guys have been in prison 25 30 years right now selling crack and there's no retroactive release. They didn't make it. If they'd have made it 18 to 1 for them, they'd get out tomorrow. Oh, man.

And their life is just wasted. They don't want to take a chance, and they can make money off you being inside. And then the crazy part about the crack sentencing law is, and I asked another DA that had more experience than myself, is there any law on the books, nonviolent, that's punished that way? And he said, no. I mean, so it's a racist law. We met the guy. We met the guy who wrote it.

He said that there's no law before or he's in our documentary, Cracking the System. You guys got to check it out when it comes out. When is it going to be out? Next year. When it comes out, come here. Come here again and we'll pump that motherfucker through the roof. We have him and Rick sitting on the couch and he he looks at rick dead out and said and apologizes to black america he says i put more black men in prison than anybody alive he said

that i've never seen a law before or after it that was written that way without he they didn't do no investigation of da they didn't talk to dea agents they didn't talk to lab specialists they just wrote the law so they just wanted to figure out a way where they can get people in jail that aren't even going to complain. And they did it during the era when there must have been some pressure to clean up the streets because the crack epidemic was crazy. I remember the epidemic. Even some

of the people who now are against it was crying out to change it. Man, that's fucking nuts. But yeah, definitely. As soon as we... We're still raising some money. We've got to raise a few more hundred grand for this crack in the systems.

But what we did is we've been going around investigating, doing all our work, going over archive footage of Ronald Reagan talking about... We got Ronald Reagan talking about crack cocaine, right? We got a cop that did five years for basically planning drugs and for the first time ever he's on camera whoa and he looks like fucking de niro or somebody classic so we got we got him uh basically talking

about what drove him to plant drugs and to actually take money because you know you come in we're talking about 1980 you come into a house with a 15 year old kid in there and there's sixty thousand dollars on the floor which is like three hundred thousand dollars today yeah you're you know there's a lot of things that go through your mind he and he goes through the process of how you get to the point where you take 150 and you report 150 right and how his family needed things and it's just crazy this doc is going we're going we're going win an Oscar with this one. Wow, I can't wait to see it. Definitely come in right before it happens, man.

Come in right before you release it. We'll blow that fucking thing up. All right. One other question. What's the most realistic movie on the drug trade? Is there any realistic movies? That I saw? Like Blow?

Blow was close. Blow was close? Yeah, that's why i let nick write my uh my script oh it's the same guy is writing your script yeah yeah blow was really close what's his name nick what nick cassavetti cassavetti yeah he's supposed to direct the movie for us when is that gonna happen we working on that right now too is too short gonna play you no too short i spoke to two taller he could play play you your facially you guys look similar a little bit you must know i've been too short had a conversation last night no i'm just a too short

fan is that right okay okay great rapper i'll let him know yeah please do man i love that guy i have to bring him next time he's in town i'll bring him through please do please do yeah what uh what actor is gonna play you We don't know yet. We're tinkering with quite a few people. I talked to Jamie Foxx about a week ago. Jamie Foxx can do anything. That guy can become anybody. When I saw Ray Charles, I was like, nobody else could have done that. And then when they said he was going to play Mike Tyson, I was like, he could do it.

He could do it. Hey, Tom, pull up the picture with him and Jamie on it. He could play mike tyson and everybody's like what he doesn't look anything like he could get to look like mike tyson and he could play it he could do it i know he could do it jamie had the beard and everything because he was doing jjango and chain oh that's right when is that coming out december i saw the ads for it a while ago supposed to come out i hate when they do that they get your dick hard like six months in advance for a good movie

and then you wait. We're going to knock them out with this one here. This is the real Scarface. This is your real life story. And that's what really trips me out about Hollywood is when you come with a real story they don't really get that

same type of drive for it. Yesterday somebody come to me right they want to hire me as a consultant to go on a tv show about a gangster in south central los angeles i'm like well why are you guys doing a fictional story when you got the real thing right here oh well it's probably too scary for them picture right there yeah yeah he could totally play you yeah and what's crazy is we were talking to the It's probably too scary for them. There's a picture right there. Yeah. Yeah, he could totally play you. Yeah, and what's crazy is we were talking to the guy that did Benjamin Buttons on how you would make him look 20 again.

He was giving us all the special effects. Oh, yeah, you could do amazing shit. Did you see that movie Tron where they took, what's homeboy's name? The fucking older dude. I want to say William Hurt, but that's not him. No. Jeff Bridges? Jeff Bridges. Jeff Bridges.

They turned Jeff Bridges back to where he was when he was like 20 years old. Benjamin Buns, they did that with the rap hit. Yeah. Yeah. They could do anything. It's as far as that. But as far as like pulling it off, Jamie, you got to get Jamie Foxx. He played that homeless dude who was the music virtuoso.

Like he could do anything, man. He's just one of those dudes. He just, no matter what he seems like man he's just one of those dudes he just no matter what he seems like when he's just talking in interviews and fucking around when it comes down to actual acting he's one of those dudes who can become a different guy yeah there's only a few of those russell crowe you know daniel day lewis type dudes out there but jamie fox can do the shit out of that that ray charles man god damn it was phenomenal and then when you realize he's actually singing that shit that's what's even crazier like jamie fox is a fucking incredible

singer too yeah and the thing about our script the way it's written it's like a mix between traffic i would say traffic uh blow and like boys in the hood no scarface no scarface scarface too and that's what i was gonna tell you the interesting let me say one more thing about scarface because we met with the producer of scarface and it's interesting because we were sitting and watching scarface remember that 83 is like around the same time as rick and like when scarface goes over overseas to the into the connection he's talking about like a what he's a hundred keys a month rick was doing that a day it's like so like it's like get your weight up scarface just got clowned but this story this story actually has uh international appeal just like

i'm saying like costa rica times picked up the spin article oh it's fascinating so we have the way it's written it's not just rick it's like 60 50 black 30 latino and then uh the other the remainder is white so you have the reporter and you have uh the the politicians you have the latina or the nicaraguans and then you have rick story so this is just has a phenomenal uh reach for everybody who uh who likes different aspects of those kind of movies cool yeah that sounds pretty fucking incredible man and you know so you you have it they don't have the the the scripts done but they don't have a cast they don't have a projection when it's going to start yeah we're still raising the budget right now you could sell crack cocaine make a lot of money dude what the

fuck brian didn't you learn from the story the story is so important no you do you have a kickstarter account because that's uh seems like one of the the best ways to raise a bunch of money especially for a movie or something like true yeah kickstarter and if you ever have something like that please come back and we'll promote the shit out of it anything you guys want anytime you want just let me know okay and you can come back we enjoyed the shit out of this as well as the last time you know you're a cool motherfucker and your story's amazing and thank you dude very thank you very much for all the information that you distributed today and i think you guys have a great message you know i think you know both you guys are doing uh amazing

shit appreciate you having us on man and hopefully i continue to grow friends from from being on your show you know oh you will i go places and people come i saw you on joe rogan yeah freeway ricky unquestionably man listen we we will help you blow up just like we help everybody else man thank you thank you very much and i appreciate all y'all out there who support me i love you yeah we got some cool people that are tuned in and i want to thank one of them this guy william blankenship he apparently got upset because we used some of his artwork and a caricature and and the recent ad for uh santa barbara but he probably just pulled some shit offline posters yeah i just Google search your name. Yeah, I know.

People don't understand how silly it is. It's like an avatar. We didn't know. He wanted to just get credit, so I'm giving him credit. William, thanks a lot, dude. Thanks for making that. Thanks, William. No, he's not complaining. He's just being a little needy. Make sure you go to freewayrick.com and add his Facebook, his Twitter.

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