The Joe Rogan Experience - #273 - Amber Lyon

Episode Date: October 4, 2012

Joe sits down with Amber Lyon.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! Amber Lyon, first of all, welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much for coming on. You're one of our first serious guests. You're like a legit human that was working for CNN.

Like, we have credentials now, dude. Do you feel this, Brian? Yeah. Do you feel a change coming? Maybe I could get a wiki someday. You can get a Wikipedia, I think, this week. I think we're going to make it happen. But thank you very much for coming on the show.

I became aware of you because of the internet, and I became aware of you specifically because of your interview with my crazy friend Alex Jones. Oh, yeah, Alex. I love Alex Jones. Alex was great. He had me on to talk about – I mean, this is a topic I'm discussing that is difficult to get people to have you on to talk about it mean this is a topic i'm discussing that is is difficult to get people

to have you on to talk about it because they not alex though no not alex at all fucking psych there's we found more corruption i can't believe this the insanity of it all you have to love his passion oh yeah i love him he's a good friend of mine i love him yeah he is so passionate and and when you follow your passion success will follow and that's happened with with alex he is so passionate. And when you follow your passion, success will follow. And that's happened with Alex. He's so passionate that people think it's fake. They think that he's like some sort of a CIA plant. And he's like living this lie of, you know. It's like the idea of putting out half-truths.

I almost wish it was fake, though. Because I always tell him every time I hang out with him, I'm like, you stress me out. Aren't you stressed? Like, I feel bad for him. Like, he can't calm down. He's always's always yeah he's intense when he's eating hot dogs yeah i need another old fucking hot dogs man where's she going with those hot dogs yeah he was uh he came with us to the ufc great time with that guy he's fun dude i have to tell

you after interviewing with him for an hour he's genuine oh he genuinely cares about the direction this country's going in and he's willing to put his neck out on the line, just like you do, Joe. And that's admirable, because you're seeing a lot of people just kind of shut up right now. Yeah. And it takes the real heroes to really come forward and talk about everything that's going on.

Or crazy, one or the other. That's what people tell me. Are you freaking out of your mind? Are you nuts? For folks who don't know the story the the story that i got from the alex jones show is and this is a subject that i have been really curious about why this wasn't receiving any mainstream coverage when we would see all this coverage what was going on in syria and all this coverage is going on in egypt and in libya

but no we never saw anything on bahrain and And I saw some horrific videos that I found online of just the military assassinating dissents, assassinating different people that were protesting. And you look at the video and you're like, how is this not huge? How is this not all over the news every day? How were we not imposing sanctions on this country? How are we not speaking out against this horrific show?

It was just horrifying to watch. But it was weird how silent the mainstream news was about it. It was like there was nothing. And you ran into this. Oh, yeah. I didn't only run into it. I was knocked over by it and run over. Now, did they just hire you thinking you're a

beautiful woman you just want to be like a model who's going to read the news and you're just going to shut the fuck up i i think so and and unfortunately i'm greek and i'm a scorpio and and it turned out yeah is that good that's dangerous super dangerous they i don't think they i really don't think that they knew i wasn't just a talking head puppet when I was hired. I was actually hired by someone who ended up leaving the network. And so I think they were surprised by me. They fucked up. They didn't see it coming.

I think so, too. I think in 10 years if people go back and evaluate the situation, they'll know what I said. They thought you were going to be a female Ryan Seacrest and just run with this? Well, there's a weird trend especially in Fox News they have these gorgeous women reading the news I'm like that is such a sneaky trick because especially if you're a guy who can't get laid like having a beautiful woman talk about anything it's like I just want to hear her talk I just want to just tell me tell me what's going on and so like what better way to program people for your right-wing agenda than have like the

hottest chicks on the planet of course tell you what's wrong with the left. And then also have them say, weapons of mass destruction. Yeah. Whoa. God damn. And it worked. Obviously, we ended up in Iraq and Afghanistan,

and they're continuing to feed us propaganda. I don't think we can blame the hot chicks. But yeah, the propaganda is strong, for sure. Well, tell us your experience, because you know better than anyone. You were working at CNN. I saw some of the other stuff that you did that was amazing, especially the piece on the child prostitutes in Las Vegas.

Oh, you watched that? Yes, I did. Oh, thank you. I felt for that mom. It was so horrible. Seeing that mom holding one baby, talking about her other baby who's now 13 and is just running around as a prostitute. It was insane.

It was insane to watch. So I know you did serious work for them. And that's like, that was some really deep shit. It was a long piece. What is it like to go from that to just running into this wall and this one particular subject that set you off this Bahrain issue like what was that like it was well for me it was really disturbing um I was it was horrific because I knew these people in Bahrain were being tortured and abused and um and systematically killed and doctors killing doctors doctors for taking care of people who protested, who got shot

for treating these people. They got tortured. Yeah, they got tortured. Some of them are still in jail. These are genuinely good people. Ambulance drivers were beat. Journalists, one was arrested. His body showed up a couple days later just full of torture marks. And what really bothered me is because I grew up in the Midwest and I know how the American people get taken advantage of. And our tax dollars are going to this Bahrain regime to support them and they're the ones doing this to their people.

How much money do we send to Bahrain every year? We send, I don't know the exact amount of money, but I know that we send more than a billion dollars worth of weapons. We've given them more than a billion dollars worth of weapons. They're using some of these weapons, some of this tear gas that they're using to systematically gas their people,

which they are doing. They're taking weapons that they're allowed to use, which is tear gas and birdshot, and instead of using those for crowd control, they're using those to systematically kill their people and gas them. And this is being made in Pennsylvania. So they're killing them with tear gas? Yeah, because it's UN-approved, so they're literally dropping tear gas on these villages every single day, all day

long, and night. And Physicians for Human Rights, a Nobel Peace Prize winning organization, has been trying to raise hell about this because it's tearing up these people's lungs. People who are asthmatic are dying. Elderly are dying. They're suffocating in their homes, and they're misusing this gas. And it's a very systematic way that they're doing it. People are having miscarriages, women. Some of these doctors are now connecting it to the tear gas. So this is something that needs to be talked about urgently, because these people, as I speak right now, they're being gassed. How many people have died from this so far? Is it known?

So far, they don't know know because they can't 100% – say you were gassed and a couple days later you die because you have respiratory issues. You can't 100% connect it to the gas. But so far more than a couple dozen people have been killed. And they just continually do this? Continually, all day long. Yeah. And I think it's a way that they're trying to suppress the protests,

also a way that they're trying to silence the opposition and get people in these neighborhoods to convince the youth to quit protesting because they keep getting gassed as a result of it. What is our business there? What is our business with Bahrain that we support them? Well, this means everything to us right now, and a lot of people will say, okay, Bahrain is so far away? Well, this means everything to us right now, and a lot of people will say, okay, Bahrain is so far away. What does it matter to me? I always explain this to my sister because

she's in that mindset. She doesn't really know about the politics in the region. Well, we keep hearing more and more about Iran and a potential war with Iran. So we need we have a Navy base in Bahrain, and Bahrain is right across there's a body of water separating Bahrain and Iran. So we need that naval base if we're gonna go in and eventually attack Iran. It's very strategic for the US. That's why we have Bahrain as an ally. And so this situation is a situation where the US is giving Bahrain money and keeping our base there and allowing these atrocities to happen because of a potential war with

Iran. So your tax dollars are going directly to this regime. Not only that, covering up this story further gets us into a potential conflict with Iran. Because you're not knowing. We're demonizing people who we want to attack. And then we're praising people who we want to keep as our allies. Who we really probably should be attacking. Exactly.

If you really wanted to stop atrocities in the world, you wouldn't be looking at Iran. You would be looking at fucking Bahrain. Exactly. We were detained violently there. We were thrown on the ground. We had machine guns pointed at our heads and they tried to erase all of our video. This was about a 10 minutes

drive from the naval base where 15,000 Americans are living. They tried to bury the story. But fortunately, I was with another female producer. We were able to hide these media discs actually in our bras during the detainment. Wow. Yeah. Not that I look back on it, it's kind of funny. But at the time, we were very worried about the discs falling out as you're laying on the ground and you have a gun pointed at your head and they're

erasing your video you don't want that disc to drop out on the floor what do you say to them oops I don't know where that came from hiding that in my tits I forgot uh so it was a uh it was a situation that was just um pretty eyeopening. That's intense. And you tried to go back. Oh, I've tried many times. They won't let me back in the country. Why would you go back after that? Because you find a connection to the story as a journalist

when you know something's happening. I.e., you're crazy, in other words. No, the people are really good people. When you meet them, you just remember them. You hold a big place in your heart for them and for their survival. And you feel duty to tell their story. What is it about the Middle East that makes these crazy dictators? I mean, that's really the last place in the world where dudes are still rocking an old school like that,

where there's like a king running a whole country there's only the middle east and it's really fascinating when you look at human history and you find out that that's where the original civilization the oldest known civilization is sumer that's where iraq is it's like so those people that are there are essentially the townies of the world it's like people in the middle east they're like these dictators i mean they really are running things the way they did thousands of years ago. They have never had to evolve. They've never had to move on like the rest of the world has.

I don't think we can even wrap our heads around the idea of kings in this country. It's like it seems even though as our police state clamps down and our rights start slipping away every day with more of these insane bills that pass. I still don't think we understand what it would be like to be under the rule of Saddam Hussein and having his Uday and whatever his other son's name, those crazy evil psychopath sons running around torturing and killing people. I don't think we can even understand that. I think that's almost outside of our range. So as long as something like this Bahrain isn't reported on, it's not talked about in the news, we don't have to focus on it. We don't really, it doesn't register with us.

And we're keeping them in power. We're keeping these dictators in power. So that's another thing that I don't think our current government wants us to discuss. Because they don't want the people to be outraged and make us leave. And they don't want this protest to succeed. Because if the protests succeed, these protesters are going to kick the U.S. out. I mean, the U.S. has aided this regime and oppressing them for decades. And so that's another reason the U.S. doesn't want this reported on in the mainstream news. Wow. It's so crazy because I guess the idea is by not taking military action

against someone like that, are you just turning a blind eye to it? I mean, how do you continue to send them weapons? How is that possible? It just seems unconscionable. It seems like at a certain point in time, someone has to cross some line somewhere and just go what what are what exactly are we doing like is it really that important to go into iran that we're allowing this country to run like this like what what why are we supporting this like what are we doing as a country are we completely about dollar bills now

is it just about controlling oil ports and pathways? I mean, that's really what the Iran thing is about, right? It's about controlling the, about being able to get oil out of, what is that, that shipping route that's there? Yeah, and it's about, it's about, exactly, and it's not, don't let people lie to you and tell you it's about, they're worried about human rights abuses in Iran, because look what we're doing in Bahrain in order to potentially attack Iran. We're helping them oppress hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis. So if we really cared about human rights, we wouldn't, we would have left Bahrain a long time ago and we wouldn't be sending them weapons. Yeah, we would be in Mexico if we cared about human rights.

Exactly. And we're being, and once again, Joe, this goes back to the American public being lied to systematically by the media. And it's a real shame. I think so many people say, oh, well, the Americans are stupid and they don't know what's going on. And no, it's Americans are being fed lies constantly all day long.

And it really needs to stop. It's a shame. Now, you were there. You're inside. You're on CNN. Now, what was it that you wanted to report on that you couldn't? What was the exact censorship? What did they tell you what you could or couldn't say about it? Yeah, well, what happened was once I got back from Bahrain, they were surprised when obviously the Bahrain regime when we started airing this video, because we were able to sneak out with the video, they thought that they had erased all of our video. And so we started airing these stories and at first it was great. CNN was letting

us air all of these. And that was for about a week or so. It was very easy to get coverage on. But then Bahrain started calling and complaining. And their PR companies, they pay U.S. citizens and U.S. PR companies to do PR for them. The people can't afford that, but, of course, the regime can. And then eventually, three months later, we finished our documentary, and we found out that it wasn't going to be airing on CNN International. It aired once on CNN U.S., but never on CNN International to the target audience, which is the most viewed English news station in the region.

And so these people needed to see this documentary, and it wasn't airing. And I've had documentaries I've done at CNN that didn't air on CNN International, but this entire documentary was shot overseas. And what really got me was my bosses directly above me were dumbfounded. We would have phone calls and e-mails, and people said, I don't know why this isn't airing. I don't know what's going on. My producers were very, very upset. I mean, they had risked their lives to tell this story. Our sources had risked their lives to tell CNN their story. One guy who worked for Doctors Without Borders, his house was burnt down after he talked with us and and yeah I mean in our main source in the documentary he's in prison right now

his mom just died yesterday and he didn't even get to say goodbye to her Nabeel Rajab he's in prison for the next three years and he's a peace activist who has a picture of Gandhi on his cell phone and so all of these sources that helped us film this documentary were punished and harassed for helping CNN. And so we still couldn't believe why they hadn't aired it on CNN International. And so I kept getting people writing me and calling me and telling me, you need to look into this. There's something going on here. It's a much bigger story.

And seeing as how I don't have a family and, you know, I'm not tied down to a retirement plan or I really could give a crap about the money, I started looking into it and realizing that Bahrain's actually a paying customer at CNN. They are literally paying the network for programming. Journalistically, I don't know if a lot of people out there listening know about journalistic ethics, but we're supposed to be watchdogs on government. We're not supposed to accept money from them. Not only accepting money. Okay, that's different. If you accept money and you air a commercial,

but they're actually airing hour-long programs on CNN paid for by the Bahrain regime. Not only Bahrain, we're talking Georgia, Kazakhstan, and other regimes. And this has been going on for decades. And it bothers me because people are being lied to. So it's just paid propaganda. They're a programming unit for propaganda. So instead of being the news, they're select pieces of information that these governments want

Americans and whoever watches CNN to see. So they pay them for it. Yeah, they pay them. Is that legal? Well, journalistically, if there were journalist police, I would arrest them. But it is legal. But is it right? Because when they air some of these programs, Joe,

they don't let the viewers know that that's paid for by the government. Right. When you watch one of those wacky fake talk shows where they're selling a blender, they have to tell you this is a paid infomercial. They have to tell you when this blender guys in his talk show showing, you know, how you make cucumbers slice really easy and stuff. They have to tell you. Why don't they have to tell you that on CNN?

That seems way more important than the fucking blender. Well, exactly. Because it's shaping our foreign policy. I mean, they're feeding the American public this propaganda so that they think everything's rosy and happy in Bahrain, when really the situation there is

horrific. And if you look at one of these programs, you can YouTube it. It's called I List Bahrain. They have their host, Richard Quest, they have him live at the racetrack for a week in Bahrain talking about how wonderful the country is and how progressive it is whoa and he interviews the crown prince and calls him a reformer and this is the same crown prince who was in in power when troops shot and

killed in broad daylight these tanks just shot out into a crowd of protesters and just killed them in broad daylight this is the prince that two years earlier CNN was telling the public was great, was progressive, a reformer. And it's not fair to the public when you watch these. The disclosures are so minimal or they're not even there. If you go on YouTube, the videos, you know, it's not fair to not only CNN's journalists, to our sources, but to the people watching. Because they don't know they're getting propaganda. So this has been going on for decades.

Decades. So for decades, we haven't had real news. We've had a mixture of some real news and some bullshit that's paid for by other countries. Yes. And we wonder why we end up in Iraq and Afghanistan and these conflicts, you know. And this is... There it is. We're seeing it now.

Yeah. And leaders are striving to meet international expectations for a high-profile football tournament. Europe's second largest country is the focus of this month's I-List. Yeah, the Ukraine. I mean, they're letting the Ukraine pay. Look up I-List Bahrain commercial and you can watch the whole commercial and you'll see not once in the commercial that's like progressive, fabulous, new.

This week we're talking about Bahrain. It never says in the commercial that this is paid for by Bahrain. And so that's not fair to the people. It's not fair to viewers. No, it's just beyond creepy. How big is Bahrain? Bahrain is about the size Bahrain is small. It's not fair to viewers. No, it's just beyond creepy. How big is Bahrain? Bahrain is about the size...

Bahrain is small. It's about the size of San Francisco, population-wise. You can't say Bahrain every time, right? Bahrain. Eventually, you gotta say Bahrain.

Bahrain, okay. You know what I mean? It's like one of those words, like, if you commit to saying it correctly every time, it seems like a lot of effort. B-A-H-R-A-I-N.

And also, you can see a video of these protests they're insane you watch them and you just see miles of people protesting and and then you really realize this is a true revolution they're trying to have there but it's being oppressed by the united states um because you know if the people get in power they're going to kick the u.s out they're very upset because the U.S. has kept their regime in power for so long. So we're helping this creepy fuck by giving him a billion dollars worth of weapons. He's tear gassing people to death.

Oh, yeah. Wow. And not only that, they're systematically getting it off the news in the U.S. as what happened to me. It became nearly impossible to cut through the red tape. This is really disturbing if you had any hope whatsoever that we were going to avoid some sort of conflict with Iran, because it seems like that is just, they are dead set on it. That's why another reason I came forward urgently, because this is about much more than Bahrain,

and the systematic cover-up of what's happening in Bahrain only tells you what's potentially going to happen in the future, and in the near near future and that's an attack on Iran or potentially some people if you go to the far side who have really analyzed this could say this could potentially become World War three Jesus Christ and it's all just to control oil right I mean is that what it's about I mean it's just to control oil and it's just this is the way they've always done it so they're gonna continue to do it this way, even though now people are paying attention finally for the first time in human history.

Yeah. Well, they're going to tell you, if you talk to people who are very pro-Israel, and once again, I don't have an opinion on any of that area. I try to cover that objectively. I've covered stories in the West Bank and in Israel. But they're going to tell you that Iran, Ahmadinejad said he will wipe Israel off the map. And they're going to repeat that over and over,

because that's their forward propaganda that they're going to start feeding to you. And they already have for years. And actually, if you go back to that speech that they're referring to, Ahmadinejad never said that. It was mistranslated. But instead, they rolled with that. And the US media has continued to roll with that watch Aaron Burnett show yeah I've seen the the original one that was translated correctly it's a totally different meaning it wasn't that we were but it wasn't nice but it wasn't the same thing exactly I think it was in response to if Israel attacked Iran you know we would wipe them off the map or something along those lines wasn't it it was more of a um saying that they want the regime out of israel they want that government

out it was more uh rhetoric than than physically like we want to go in and murder you all and kill you it was more we want you to be be kicked out of office so we sort of uh have equated it to like khrushchev banging his heel you know saying we will bury you like that that sort of a thing that's like so we've we've decided to run with that as the big threat Yep, exactly, and they say if Iran gets a nuke They're going to send it right in and wipe Israel off the map So that's what they're trying to use that for And everyone needs to pay attention, it is propaganda

It is forward, it's just like weapons of mass destruction I see them now, now that I've been inside I know how they start feeding propaganda, and this is exactly what they're doing with saying, well, Iran's going to wipe Israel off the map, so we need to go in and attack. And guys, I mean, this could potentially get us into a conflict with much more permanent and damning implications than Iraq and Afghanistan ever were.

Yeah, it seems like this would be huge. This would be much bigger if we actually went into Iran. It's another level of civilization above what was going on in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and there's no reason for it. It doesn't make any sense. And there's no way the rest of the world is going to tolerate it. It's going to be chaos. Yeah, we have Russia and China to worry about as well if we go in.

And Lord knows what could happen from there. I just hope that the American people realize that they are being fed propaganda with the Iran situation now, and the same people behind Iraq, same forces, are behind this push to get us in Iran. Did you see, of course you did, but what did you think when you saw the Netanyahu cartoon when he was explaining with his fucking wily coyote bomb you know what i wanted to laugh but it was it was so sad because i i just see the logic the the lack of logic and how they're actually able to to get that to work well it was crazy it's like he's just saying okay you guys are children so

i'm gonna draw you a child's cartoon. And see, I can't explain to you this. I'm going to show you on the fake bomb. No one's ever seen a bomb that looks like that. That's a bomb from a cartoon. I mean, it's so weird that they chose that image for this really ridiculous propaganda. Well, you know what that tells you, Joe?

That tells you what they think of the intelligence of the American public that that they think he could go up with some stupid ass cartoon and and try to feed us that bullshit to get us into another war i mean does does he think that the american public is that is that stupid did you see the uh lobbyist for israel who was uh thinly veiled trying to promote some sort of a false flag event he was uh talking about what we need to do we need to have a green light to start our war with Iran and it's just like we needed Pearl Harbor to happen for us to attack Japan we needed the Gulf of Tonkin he's the Gulf of Tonkin which is a known false flag event I mean it's been proven that the Gulf of Tonkin was the whole thing was a big fake story

in order to get people to be excited about going to war in Korea or in Vietnam. And he was talking about that as if it was like some sort of an actual historical event. To bring it up like that in 2012, you have to either plead extreme ignorance or you've got to say that this is a thinly veiled statement that we need another false flag event, because we're going to go into Iran no matter what. So let's just pretend Iran tried to blow something up and go fuck them up. And they did try to do that in 2007.

And perhaps the most hunted whistleblower is not Julian Assange. It's a woman named Gwyneth Todd who worked in the administration. She was an advisor to the military and she actually blew the whistle on a 2007 false flag event where they were going to try to do exactly that. That was Bush's last thing before getting out of office. They wanted to take out Iran

and she blew the whistle and potentially saved thousands of lives. Now she's in Australia hiding. Well, now you just gave her up. Now they know she's in Australia. No, no. There was a story done on it. A couple stories, guys.

I'm not trying to get her in trouble here. But she's a real hero. And they did try to do that in 2007. What was the false flag event? It's funny when you say they, too. Who exactly is it that's doing it? How many people are involved in something like this well that's what worries me is because Gwyneth says that the same forces behind that and Iraq are now behind the current push to get into Iran and I trust her because she risked everything

to come forward and and reveal that and now is in hiding in Australia and um I don't know all of the details about it but I do know that they were going to try to make it look like Iran had blown something up or attacked one of our U.S. bases. I don't know exactly. Listen to me rambling. If you look it up, it's called, if you just look up, just look up Gwyneth Todd. How do you spell Gwyneth? G-W-Y-N-E-T-H and then T-O-D-D. It won't even let me. It just says, do you mean Paltrow?

Yeah. That's what it says. Do you mean Paltrow? Of course. That's what would come up. Google's trying to fucking keep me from the truth. It's a pretty unbelievable story. I tweeted about it.

If you go to at Amberline and scroll down somewhere down in my timeline, tweeted about a couple days ago she was a u.s senator i guess huh um no oh no no i'm sorry this is uh patrick lahey a u.s senator who uh is i guess is responding to what she revealed yeah and he's saying that there should be an investigation of the false flag terror plot yeah and it was huge i mean this this, they were going to try to start a war with Iran with this. And this was the U.S. making up lies. And one thing they were going to do is use these protesters in Bahrain and make them also look like terrorists in this attack had it succeeded. And it would have worked because most people haven't been to Bahrain.

They don't know if these people are extremists or terrorists. How did we get to be such a nation of cunts? What went wrong with us? Because that's not what the American people, if you talk to the average American person, they think of what is America? Well, America is about freedom. We're about carving your own path. How did we get to be this nation of people that are led by these really evil corporations?

I mean, that's essentially what the military is. If you look at the military, it's something that the banks and the people that are in power, the people that put presidents in power, are using in order to force their corporate agenda. It's all about controlling some resource, you know, extracting some resource, controlling some areas. That's all it's about. It's not, has nothing, like, whenever they call it defense, it's so offensive. Because, like, what are you defending us against? You're out there fucking people up. Like, it almost has nothing to do with defense. It has everything to do with offense. If you say the best defense is a good offense, well, then I guess maybe you can call

it defense. But it's not what we think of ourselves. We don't think of ourselves as this horrific force that's destroying parts of the world in order to control its resources. We don't think about that at all. We think of ourselves, most people like to think of America as a fucking eagle or something.

We like to think of ourselves as proud people who can come here and anybody can make it. And there's no caste system here and you can really work hard and get ahead. And how the fuck did we become this nation run by assholes? It's just, it's weird. I know. And it's weird when you wake up at that moment and realize, oh, my God, you've been lied to almost all of your life about certain things that are happening in this country. Is it just that we have too much power?

There's too many American military bases. There's too many areas we control. Is that what it is? Is it we're just too greedy with it? You know, I don't know exactly what's behind this, but I do know that, I mean, if you look at NDAA and things that have happened over, I know just in my career over the past decade, I covered the oil spill.

I've covered the nuclear industry, all the wars. And really getting into it, I start, the more I analyze it, the more I think we've really lost control of the country that people have. It doesn't seem to be about the people at all. It seems to be about having the legal means to squash any dissent any way they want and that's in place now because of ndaa which people understand keep rallying against it talking about like god why are you so freaking out about this well this is why because they can essentially throw you in jail you can't call your lawyer you have no trial they can do whatever they want with you now there is no rights anymore it's essentially they put into law that they are just like a king.

They can do what a king wants to do. Now this Bradley Manning guy who pulled the plug on WikiLeaks and the guy who distributed all the information to them, or who blew the whistle, rather, he pulled the plug. Well, no, he gave them those documents. He's in solitary confinement. And they've had him there for years now they're not gonna do shit with him they're just gonna let him rot you know they're gonna barely

feed him and keep the lights on and let him go crazy good luck you know that's that's america that's america if you if you expose the bad things that we've done we're gonna do a horrific thing and literally torture you for the rest of your life. And that's torture. 24 hours a day of light. No people to talk to. No books to read. Just you by yourself. Good luck. And that's another story.

It was really difficult to cover stories of leaks and stuff while I was at CNN. And overall, in general, because of Obama's war on whistleblowers and journalists now. Isn't that amazing? When you think of Obama, you think of a guy that everybody thinks of as this really progressive guy. Well, he's a socialist even. He's a guy who's had a single mom and was raised in a very moderate family, didn't have money, really made his own way, very intelligent guy, made it through Harvard. And here he is, doing some of the worst shit to the Constitution, to the principles this country was founded on, that has ever happened in our lifetime.

And this guy's doing it. This guy is going after whistleblowers in a way that even Bush didn't. And journalists. whistleblowers in a way that even Bush didn't. And journalists. Right now, he's been subpoenaing journalists for their sources, and he's gone after more journalists and whistleblowers than any other president in history, including one journalist, James Risen of the New York Times, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. He's gone after him with subpoenas to try to get him to reveal information about his sources. As journalists, we don't give up our sources. I mean, to reveal information about his sources. As journalists, we don't give up our sources.

I mean, that's the number one rule. So in effect, he's turned journalism into a criminal behavior and turned us into criminals. And that's, for me, that's terrifying because if someone comes to me and leaks a document that's vital to the public good that we need to know about in order to fix our government, then I become a target too because they come after me. And NDAA, that's another fear. They have a fear it will be used against journalists because we're not giving up our sources. They will consider us to be aiding terrorists or terrorism

and lock us up as well. And I think there's a lot of fear amongst the investigative reporters, investigative reporting community that this could happen under NDAA. So you're at CNN. All this is going down. And you're realizing that your piece has been pulled from the international arm of CNN. And what is the next step? What do you do? Do you start asking questions? Do you try to poke around? Or what kind of atmosphere is CNN when it comes to this issue?

Yeah, I did. I went on behalf of my crew, and I went and made a meeting with the head of CNN International, Tony Maddox. And not a lot of people do that. And my crew was, I just saw the looks on their faces. They were very upset. So I met with him and he didn't give me any answers as to why it never aired. I met with him twice. What did he say? What was his response when you asked him why didn't it get aired? The first time he said he'd get back to me and then he never got back to me. So I made an appointment months later. And at that point point he questioned me as to why a

well-known New York Times reporter had tweeted about the fact that they never aired the documentary. He tweeted something to the effect of CNN, why didn't you air Amber Lyons' I Revolution documentary Intimidation suggesting that Bahrain had intimidated CNN into not airing it. He only questioned me about that in a more of a kind of condescending, you better not be talking kind of way. And then I, eventually our unit was dissolved at CNN, so I was forced out. They dissolved our documentary and investigative unit. And I kept having this in the back of my head, like, you know,

when you can't sleep at night because you know something is is going on and I didn't know how to come out and tell people about it because it's it is a very um I had to get all my ducks in a row because Time Warner is a very powerful enemy to have against you um and and so finally when I I came out and I I just to test the waters mentally, I tweeted about the fact that they had censored the documentary. And then right away, my agent was called and I was told on behalf of all the main executives at CNN, my agent was called in and told on behalf of that I had to come out with this full-fledged. Because at that point, it solidified that they're trying to cover something up and shut me up. Wow. It's so creepy.

It's creepy. It's such a movie. Who would be the star of this movie? John Cusack? Yeah. I think John Cusack would be like a guy who you work with in the office. Oh, that's a play me. No, no, no, no, no.

No, I wouldn't offend you like that. How dare. I'm thinking about who would play you. I guess you could go with Jennifer Aniston. Oprah. But Jennifer Aniston is a little long in the tooth for you. She's still pretty hot. Long in the tooth?

She is. Well, how old are you? You're about, let me guess say 28 you're you're right i'm 29 oh see there you go so you're there jennifer anderson's gorgeous but she's 40 you know that's creepy can't have some older lady play you it was like this you'd watch the movie like this bitch is not 28 what the fuck is going on you know i've been've been compared to Claire Danes on Homeland. I've never watched that show. I've never watched that show either. I don't know if that would work. You're a more attractive version of that really annoying chick that's in a lot of movies.

One from the Doctor TV show. The fuck's her name? The one that was in the movie with Seth Rogen where he got her pregnant. Oh. Oh. Katherine Heigl. There you go. Yeah. She seems a little annoying. Really?. Oh. Katherine Heigl. There you go. Yeah.

She seems a little annoying. Really? Not really. I don't know. It's just the type. It's not her. I'm sure she's a great person. Just the type of movies.

It's always these wacky, romantic, oh, she's got handcuffs dangling from her finger. She's a rascal. And this guy, they're not going to get together. Well, but maybe they are. You know? Really serious plots there, you know? Yeah, they they look brutal have you ever worked with the vice guys before or i am a fan of their work i i do like i like the stuff that they do i like their style of reporting

it's very candid it's i mean they that's been yeah one of the suggestions it keeps coming up over and over on twitter people are like you got to get Amber together with the Vice guys. They can sneak you back in there. They don't give a fuck. They'll drop you from an airplane in a parachute into Bahrain. I've been trying to figure out how to go back in there. You can't get back in there. You're crazy.

You need to stay out of there. They're going to kill you. I was thinking if I borrowed a friend's passport and then shaved my head or dyed my hair brown, but I don't think it would work. Well, especially not if you talk about it on the internet. Now that I'm letting them know exactly how I would speak in, I don't think I have a chance, guys. No, what you need is like one of those Eddie Murphy, Big Mama body things. Yeah.

You know, like a full, big, fat bodysuit. I smell sex change. Yeah, but Eddie Murphy, when he had that big suit on, what movie was that? Big Mama? How many black guys have done that? God damn it. Martin Lawrence does that shit. He's got the Big Mama, right?

Isn't Martin Lawrence Big Mama? That was a good movie. I like Big Mama. Let's not diss on it, okay? But it's not that I'm dissing on it. I'm saying it's a weird phenomenon that these black dudes will wear these giant black woman outfits

and a black dude will pretend to be a black woman, an older black woman. It's like super common. You know, Medea and that Tyler Perry guy. Tyler Perry, nonstop. Nonstop. That's what he does.

He's a guy and he pretends to be an old black woman. It's weird. But it's a black thing. I think Chris, not Chris Rock. I think Dave Chappelle was talking about how strange that is once in an interview. It is strange. It's very strange how many versions there are of it.

Like Jamie Foxx in Living Color. Remember he was that crazy black woman? Yeah, I remember that. Remember that? What was that? Shanaynay? Yeah. Was that right? I don't know. Oh gosh. I think that was what it was. But yeah, that's a weird phenomenon. You know? There's not a lot of

guys that pretend to be women. It's like Robin Williams, Miss Doubtfire was like the last one I can remember. What other dudes, white dudes, pretended to be women? Not that many, right? Robin Williams, Mrs. Doubtfire, yeah. What was the show with Tom Hanks? Bosom Buddies?

Bosom Buddies. Yeah, that might be the last time. I wonder what it is. White girls, but that was the Wayans brothers. They pretended to be girls that's right I don't know how the fuck we got on this tangent I don't think that's

going to work though we go from Bahrain to to you in a black to you as a big black woman do you think you can do a big black woman voice

like say welcome to Bahrain why are you here um oh what would you say shit I can't even try um I'm just here to check out your country

honey i heard you got a beautiful country up in here i just want to go shopping oh that's terrible there's a white woman under there pull that rubber off this shit is not real i i speak spanish so my my impersonations always somehow end up becoming Spanish. Well, then you should pretend that you don't speak English. I bet they don't speak Spanish. I bet, you know, you could fucking fudge your way through the whole experience. Si, por supuesto. There you go.

She doesn't have a voice like the way she looks. Do you find that knowing Spanish, you realize how perverted all the Mexicans here in LA are? Oh, my God. I have the best story about that. Not only that, so I grew up in the Midwest, so the middle of the country where no one speaks Spanish. St. Louis, Missouri. And so I was at a restaurant there where a lot of the staff speaks Spanish very loudly

because they know no one in St. Louis knows Spanish. And one time I'm sitting there and I'm ordering food and I hear the guys talking about my body and breasts and everything else and clearly understand it. And toward the end, I let them go on for a couple minutes and toward the end I turned to them and I said, which really means how sad that you have a small penis. And they laughed so hard.

They were throwing stuff around the room. And I really got them. And that's kind of the way I do it. Like if I hear something, I'll turn and I'll just say that, kind of slide them, and then they get a laugh out of it. And then maybe know in the future that people speak their language. Yeah. Especially Spanish. That's a pretty common one.

Yeah. It's one of the most common second languages ever. language. Yeah. Especially Spanish. That's a pretty common one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's one of the most common second languages ever. Totally. Totally. Yeah. It's got to be a weird thing to be able to just yell shit out and nobody understands what you're saying. You know?

Yeah. My ex-girlfriend, she could speak and she would tell me like all the time, like that person just said I had nice tits while we were walking by him. But she learned after a while she wouldn't tell me until like minutes later because I kept on getting pissed. I'd be like, what the fuck? You know, dude. You try to get all aggro? No. I kept on getting pissed. I'd be like, what the fuck, dude? You try to get all aggro?

No, I just become an asshole. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. Yeah, it's almost like they're doing it on the internet. Yeah. They're doing it anonymously. They think they're just getting away with it. It's not even really.

It's actually the opposite of doing it on the internet because it's only for them. It doesn't even reach you. It's like them saying something cunty about you but you can't even read it yeah you see my george washington picture right here george washington with a terminator gun halo gun what is that about uh this artist on etsy just makes all these like like presidents like like in like crazy situations like riding horses and unicorns and tigers and stuff. It's fascinating that when you go back to the Constitution

and when you go back to these guys that were originally starting off this country and they kind of saw the shit coming. It's really amazing. When you really look at the obvious patterns of corruption that people in power seem to follow over and over and over again, those guys all saw it coming. They all saw it coming. They had provisions.

They had it set up. So you're supposed to protect people from that as much as possible. You're not supposed to use the military to control civil unrest. You're not supposed to use the army on its U.S. citizens. All that was changed by NDAA. That's another thing that a lot of people don't know. You're allowed to use the military now. The military can come in, the Army, against U.S. citizens.

That's crazy. The whole country can be declared a battlefield. Yeah, and you only know if they're going to all of these lengths to create the ability to do that, what's in store when it comes to dissent. You know, I mean, did you see the photos out of Anaheim? Yes. Of all the police dressed in? Yeah.

With camouflage. You see the Walmart one the other day? No. They had like the sound canyons and everything like that at a Walmart protest. There was a protest? Yeah, I'll find it. Find it. The Anaheim thing was weird because there was a media blackout about it.

Yeah. And, you know, it was really ugly. Watching people wearing full military gear with camo, desert camo, walking through the streets is really unsettling. Because, first of all, why are they wearing fucking camo? You know, that's a, what are you, are you hiding? Are you pretending we're in Iraq? Are you reminding me that these people are, you know, are trained killers that go to Iraq and now I'm the enemy? Is that what this is supposed to be?

Am I supposed to feel unpatriotic for not giving in to what's going on here? A cop shot a kid in the back and people are freaking out. Everybody should be freaking out. Obviously, some horrible thing happened. Everybody should be freaking out, including these people that are holding these guns, including these people wearing camo with body armor. You should be freaking out too, because this is all America.

This is all part of your community, and someone who is in a position of power made a horrible mistake, and these people want justice. And you know what? They should get it. They should be able to feel safe. There's a terrible gap between the way people are in power, whether it's police officers,

whether it's anybody that is in a position of power, and the people that get suppressed by those people. That gap is a really scary thing. And when a cop who is in a position of power shoots a kid, and then they see no repercussions, they see a completely different reaction than if the kid had shot the cop everybody has a right to freak out because we are supposed to be equal in this

country and someone who is in a position of power clearly crossed all the legal lines they clearly fucked up they clearly violated the relationship between the person in power and the person they're supposed to be protecting and to see people reacting that's the way they chose to react, by sending in the military? Whoa, whoa, that's not how you're supposed to do it. You're supposed to do it by sitting down with the community and figuring out what we can do to make sure this never happens again and to make sure that the person who did this

never has the opportunity to do this again. Whether it's put him in jail, whether it's take him out of office, you know, fire them instantly and put him in jail, whatever it is, whatever, of office, you know, fire them instantly and put them in jail, whatever it is, whatever, you know, the court deemed the correct action. But you have to have justice. You have to have justice for everybody. It can't just be for, you know, people who can afford it. It can't just be for people in power.

It can't just be, it's, we're in a weird place now. It's a weird place. Is this, what is this? This is the Walmart photos, but check out, check out these, like that, that's one of those sound. Oh, an LRAD device. Yeah. Now what happened?

And they have, look at that. That's just for protests. Look how they're dressed. I mean, it looks like something out of Judge Dredd. I, I just, you know what that is? That's intimidation. See that? See those people?

They're, they're not armed. They're not, look at that old, older man that older man. It's an intimidation tactic. I saw that when I was covering the protest in Anaheim. It's a way to try to make people scared to disperse. So it's not that they're anticipating that they're going to need all that armor. They're only doing that because they want everybody to freak out that the stormtroopers are here. And you're starting to see that. We saw it at the Republican National Convention. You're starting to see that all over the country. And that's what worries me as a journalist. Anaheim was, I mean, that guy, Manuel Diaz, was shot in broad daylight. So people were obviously

upset. And I remember being there and we were in the middle of the road at a march. And I looked over my shoulder and I saw the trucks coming down the street with guys, with police officers dressed in camo. And I had to, it's almost like everything just came to a stop. Even the protesters, everyone could not believe what they were seeing, that these officers were dressed like that for unarmed children and women and men who were protesting. it's it's uh i i feel a systematic uh crushing of dissent or or protests by by police um departments across the country was there any danger whether was there any looting or any rioting what was going on that they would feel the need to bring in essentially you know tanks and military what what is that they were trying to head to Disneyland. So the protesters are upset.

They feel like it was influenced somehow by Disneyland because they were going to march and they felt that the, you see them, yeah, they're there on horseback. Oh, I remember I took a shot of that lady too. And so they literally made it impossible for the protesters to march. Look, that's what I saw

when I was walking down the street, shooting photographs, and I couldn't believe it. Horses? Dudes on horses? Yeah. And look, they're carrying bokens in their hands. Those are wooden Japanese swords to hit people with. See that officer there? Not only that, they were firing beanbag rounds and tear gas pepper balls. The horses have eye goggles on. And right there, that's at the intersection and they wanted to go down that intersection And head to Disneyland to protest

Look at all the soldiers with fucking Machine guns I have another video look up Tim Pool And Amber Lion shot it by Anaheim police Because we were trying to cover this Joe And the police We had noticed kept setting up walls To keep us behind the police officers As we were covering it so we wouldn't be there with the people to see how they were being treated.

Also to see how they were being shot with these non-lethal rounds. And at one point, I was actually fired on by the Anaheim Police Department with less lethal rounds, but I was clearly standing in a busy street, and they knew, here we are. I can see something. I can see camera. So we're in a busy street, and there I am right there. And that guy yells, fucking pigs. And then listen now. And see the U-Haul? Right then I stopped, and I was literally sitting there, and I hid in between two U-Hauls as rounds kept going past.

He was able, smart enough to be able to scale a wall. But watch, he gets fired on again. By the way, those bullets, they're non-lethal. They can take your eye out easily. If they hit you in the eye, you're dead. Not only that, if they hit you in the ribs and your ribs go into your heart, it can kill you. that if they hit you in the ribs um and your your ribs go into your heart it can kill you if it hits you in the neck um and and in the head it can crack your skull i've seen it happen overseas jesus christ and this isn't just a neighborhood of in anaheim people were were uh so they fired on you like you guys are like this is a. Yeah, and I was hiding between the two U-Hauls, and I was yelling for Tim because I didn't know he had gotten away, and I thought he had been hit.

And so I kept yelling for him to see if he was okay. And then, and look, he's running now because they're just shooting down the streets. I mean, these poor people living in this neighborhood. Jesus Christ. And so at this point I come out. So this is just the cops doing this? Yeah, this is the police. So who are we really scared of here, the protesters or the police?

Because the protesters weren't shooting at me. And I clearly have blonde hair and a bright green shirt on and was shooting photos of a dumpster that had been set on fire. And finally, after a couple minutes, I ran out in a screaming press, and they quit firing. And one of the officers looked at me and said, I was really worried about you. And then he also said, don't you know how to cover a riot? And then he pointed back at a photographer

who was behind the police line with them, following the police, instead of actually hanging out with the protesters like we're supposed to do as journalists. We're out there to be a watchdog on authority and protect the public. And in other words, that's what I believe they were doing, is trying to keep me from being with the protesters to film their injuries as civilians and bystanders who are getting hit by these less lethal rounds. And that's pretty scary because they're trying to oppress not only these voices of dissent,

but journalism and journalists. How is that possible that the system of government that we have, that the people that are in power are slowly tightening things down on us in the same age as the information we're getting from the internet now. The same age of instant information, instant about anything, answers to any question. The distribution of information through social media, through podcasts and Twitter and Facebook, it's never been greater. The access to information is like so instant and so, but yet at the same time you have these crazy crackdowns this crazy police state it's almost like we're putting turning the light on a vampire and it's

shrieking and reacting and showing us its true self like in this these days gone by when we didn't have the access to information when we didn't know what was going on during the gulf of tonkin we didn't know what was going on during, who knows how many different United States ventures overseas. When we didn't know, we had a different impression of ourselves. We had a different impression of the whole system of government that we operated under. Is it that, or is it things are getting worse? Is it that, or we really do have crooks in office and they are acting differently than Jimmy Carter would have or Bill Clinton would have. I mean, is that what's going on? I think that it's a little bit of both. I think that it's surprising law enforcement that, oh my gosh, wait a minute, I can't just shoot at someone.

Now the video is going to go on YouTube and people will know forever that I did this. So thank goodness for social media. It's making a lot of this stuff. What happened with this video, these cops shooting at you? People picked it up. RT picked it up. People criticize RT, but RT at least is covering what's happening in this country. Why do people criticize RT? Because they say it's state-sponsored,

and they're not accurately portraying what's happening in Russia. But regardless, they are accurately covering what's happening here in the U.S. And that should have been, if you're really looking at the situation with journalism in the U.S. and the survival and what's an important story, that should have been on all of the mainstream media outlets. I mean, we were shot at. Well, not just that. Those cops should go to jail.

Like, what the fuck is that? Someone yells out pigs pigs so you start shooting them really shooting them with rubber bullets that's an asshole that has rubber bullets that's all that is that there's no this guy getting shot right here yeah oh gosh Back up your car! And right now he's loading a shotgun with, those are beanbag rounds. Maintain your line! It's essentially a lead. Maintain your line.

And look at them. The majority of the, so the community there is more than 53% Hispanic. The police force is about 24%. This is so hard to talk about. I get tongue-tied. I get baffled. I don't know what to say. It just...

It doesn't... It seems... It's like a horrible scene in a movie. It doesn't seem real. You know, when you see this weird tightening down, this weird police state, this impending police state that just keeps getting bigger and bigger and worse and worse. Fucking flaming dumpsters. I mean, this is a goddamn video game.

Yeah. And these guys were just, they were walking down in rows, the police, just walking through these neighborhoods. And you would see people peering out their gates. They're looking just horrified as walls of police officers would just come through their neighborhoods and just start firing and going through dark alleyways and firing. There are many times I had to scream, press, see, look at that right now. They're just walking through these neighborhoods with their guns pointed. These are elderly people and right there is, those are bean bag

rounds and then the red things are pepper balls. And what the pepper balls do, it's like a paint ball but filled with pepper spray and it comes out, you know, makes it hard to breathe. The bean bag rounds, those are what worry me because those have a lead pellet wrapped around, a pillow

wrapped around a lead pellet and they can still tear open your skin. And like we were talking about earlier, if they hit you in the chest and your ribs were to break and pierce your heart, you could die, as well as it could crack your skull. It's killed people, but it hits you in the neck. And that's why it's terrifying to be shot at like that. And you saw those people just standing in the street.

And they're doing it like it's nothing. Just like it's nothing. The way they're shooting at that guy when he's just standing up holding his hands. That's fucking insane. That's nothing. Where they're shooting at that guy when he's just standing up holding his hands. That's fucking insane. That's insane. A lot of pedestrians were hit or had to dodge bullets because they just came out to see what was happening. They saw a dumpster on fire and said, what's going on? And they would stand on the street corners and just look to see what was going on.

They weren't even involved in a protest. And they were fired on. Is this how it's always been? It doesn't seem like it. It doesn't seem like that would have happened just a decade ago. I mean, does it? Was this how it was? I mean, obviously, they had a clampdown during the L.A. riots.

But it seems like the L.A. riots was a far more violent protest. It was far crazier. And it was a huge racial divide. But even then, I don't remember seeing this i don't remember seeing people just walking down streets just firing indiscriminately into alleys and shooting at reporters shooting at people that call them pigs i mean someone calls you a pig you're allowed to shoot at them i mean really that's crazy yeah and and i think that um you know that has been uh journalistically a lot of us have been trying to analyze whether things have gotten worse or they

haven't. And I've just noticed myself, I've been covering the protests for a year, I've noticed things getting worse as far as the garb that police are wearing, the video game-like intimidation tactics, when they wear these ridiculous uniforms

to a couple old people in front of Walmart. You saw that. This is systematically dangerous for this country because what it does is it instills fear in people, and it makes people scared sometimes to get out and protest. Not only that, it agitates people. Look at Anaheim. They were fine. They just had come out to get upset about Manuel Diaz,

and then the police show up and start firing on them. I don't know if you saw the video of the police dog getting loose on the crowd. I did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's another hard one to watch. And they were just... And the cop said that it slipped.

Yeah. It lost the leash. Whoops. Yeah. Sorry. I let the monster go. On women and children. Yeah.

And they were walking with their guns and just firing on people in broad daylight. And what did the protesters do that started, I mean, was there any violence at all that started this escalation? I think at first it started with the police dog getting loose on the crowd. Are you talking about just Anaheim specifically? Yeah, like what did Anaheim,

what did the protesters do that started this escalation? Well, what happened was first the police dog got released on the crowd, and then they're firing on women and children. And so that created a lot of anger. Then they went to City Hall to complain. And then the protesters didn't leave the front of City Hall. So that night, I think a couple rocks had been thrown, or I know a bottle at one point came right past my head and hit the ground. So I don't know, but I didn't see who threw it. But it did come from the crowd of protesters. So that could have been what agitated the situation.

But at the same time... It seems fairly minimal for the way the escalation that you see in that video. Yeah. And right after a bottle or rocks were thrown, I mean, a wall of officers, when I say a wall, a wall of officers just started bam, bam, bam, bam into the crowd, and there were women and children. And look at this video. So crazy. He pulls up.

Yeah. Old 60s. So crazy. It's just, I mean, I know that Obama can't have his finger on every trigger. He can't be the one that's calling for all of this. But it just, it's so shocking for me after the idea that everybody kind of thought when this guy got into office that at least socially this was a change for the better this was a guy who was obviously really intelligent really like

highly educated thoughtful a great speaker young and vibrant and this sort of represented hope a black guy he's the president just represented like this new breath of fresh air like finally we got this guy in the off this is a fucking president my whole life i've been waiting for this guy to be in the office and then this shit happens it's like it's it's it's it's crazy it's it's the best evidence ever that the president doesn't really get to ever really be the president, that the president is just a puppet. And that's when I came to that realization, because I when I saw that that everyone everyone had called for change. And and then when I saw not only that, but the historically speaking, the Democratic Party has been more favorable toward journalism and journalists.

the Democratic Party has been more favorable toward journalism and journalists. And to see the way he's attacking systematically journalism with NDAA and with the subpoenas and how things just really haven't changed. The only thing that's changed is we've had now our First Amendment rights taken away from us at an alarming rate. And it kind of makes you think you really have to stop and think you are not being an extremist in your views, and you're not out there to really logically put things together, put the pieces of this puzzle together, and realize that we don't have control of this country anymore.

It is a nicely dressed dictatorship. That's what it's like. It's got a cute costume on. It's got this costume on it, but if you look at the rules, the rules are essentially a dictatorship. With NDAA especially, that's just, once you become,

I mean, Julian Assange essentially just did what a journalist is supposed to do. I know there's a lot of people that are confused about what he did. There's a lot of misinformation about his releasing of names of people that were undercover. That's not true at all. If you, if you look at what he actually did, what he actually did was

release some horrific facts. And that's supposed to be what journalism is about. Journalism is supposed to be holding people accountable so that we don't have to have this distorted perception of what we're doing overseas. So we actually can see the horrific nature of these crimes. They're fucking war crimes. They're horrible things. And it's a daily, day-to-day thing. And all of a sudden it was thrust into the public eye. But it wasn't by the New York Times.

And it wasn't by the Washington Post. It wasn't by the Boston Globe. It was by this one freaky dude with white hair. And so it was really easy to call this guy an enemy. It's really easy. And that's what they've got him labeled now. He's an enemy of the state. They have him labeled as an enemy of the state. But you look at his actual actions. There really has been nothing horrible, even if he was a United States citizen, there's nothing he did. If he was a United States citizen, it would essentially be patriotic. What he did was expose

the bad elements of our government so that the good elements could clean up the mess. Because when you find a cop that's doing something illegal, you find a cop that's selling drugs, you're not supposed to bring that up and expose that and then you go to jail for being an enemy of the state. No, it's supposed to be you have exposed a corrupt part of our system. Thank you very much for doing that.

We got them now. We arrest them. Like on CSI or in some fucking movie, they would arrest them and throw them in jail. But in the case of the U.S. military, we're completely beyond that. We're completely beyond any accountability. we're completely beyond that.

We're completely beyond any accountability. They're completely beyond any exposure of any sensitive information that they don't leak themselves is thought to be treasonous. It's thought to be a crime against the state. And that's a sickness. That's a real sickness. There is a bunch of crazy fucks in power that are treating us the same way a king treats his disciples. It's really the same thing. If you can't release clear video that shows something wrong, that has not been addressed, and that people did not know about,

and something that was going to make people reconsider the way they think about the military, reconsider the way they think about what it is to have your own children over there as soldiers doing these things. Like, what are we really doing? If you look at that collateral murder video, that's a disturbing fucking video. And that's a good video for everyone to see because it lets people know the truth. It lets people know this really happened and your government did not want you to know about it. And they tried very hard to keep this information from you. Here's a bunch of other shit that really happened. I mean, with each passing thing that they release,

it becomes more and more obvious how corrupt this entire system is. From lobbyists to special interest groups to being beholden to corporations to get into control to controlling natural resources in different countries. It's a giant money grab. I mean, that's all it is. And anybody that steps in and tries to fuck the money grab up is a terrorist.

Exactly, and that's what's so terrifying about NDAA. And that's what has journalists concerned and whistleblowers concerned. And I love, Joe, that you guys talk about whistleblowers and hold them in the light that should be shown on them, and that's that they're heroes. We need them. We need them to point out the broken parts of the machine so that we can fix those parts one by one and keep the machine going.

Yes, the machine needs to be going. It's not like we want to overthrow the government. We just don't want it to be corrupt. It's amazing that that is controversial. In 2012, with the amount of access to information that we have, we should have evolved much further as a civilization. If we had more whistleblowers, we would, because they'd be able to do what I've done with CNN, and I said that this isn't right. Look what they're doing. As a viewer, you should know when you're watching this, it's state-sponsored. It's just a little thing that will help enlighten some people. We need that information.

It's power. And overall, overwhelmingly, Americans are amazing, positive people who are able to make a difference and would be horrified if they knew of some of the things that are happening in the military and in these corruptions. And that's why they're going to such great lengths to keep people from coming forward. Amber, why do you hate America?

Yeah. Why do you hate America? Well. Why do you hate America? Well, that scares me, too. Do you ever hear that? Do you ever hear that kind of talk? Do you get that? I do, and I also get the... Oh, geez, you guys are scaring me now.

Someone knock on the door? I don't know. It's the government. All of a sudden, we all get arrested on video. Hopefully, the cops are UFC fans. Yeah. Get them tickets if you don't know. It's the government. All of a sudden, we all get arrested on video. Hopefully, the cops are UFC fans. Get them tickets if you don't shoot us. I love how we laugh about that. Do you worry?

I do worry. I've actually had hundreds, at this point, of emails, mostly from Alex's folks, worried about my safety. Yeah, they just want to fuck you. Trust me. Yeah, I'll come be your personal man i'm worried about your safety lucky i have body armor specifically for your size in my compound there's plenty of food we could live on the ground for six months that's how long it takes for the radiation to die down yeah i have had a lot of uh bodyguard offers yeah yeah so maybe that's why i'm getting that but

uh i know there is a feeling in the journalist community now that, especially with NDAA, that we are scared that one day there's going to be a knock on the door. And you're going to get arrested. Yeah. And you're going to get taken away. And you can get detained. And you can get detained indefinitely. And that's the law now.

You don't have the rights that you had just a year ago. And people need to wrap their head around that. It's not innocent until proven guilty. There's none none of that it doesn't exist anymore like that's gone away and that's not what we think of when we think of this country we think of the constitution we think of all the rights that we're endowed with we we we don't understand that that's gone i know and people don't people like you said just, why are you talking about NDAA? Well, it's so terrifying because this is now, I mean, come on, let's get to it. The black and white of it. What's a terrorist anymore?

Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist. Martin Luther King. I mean, now you can use terrorists to pretty much to try to take out any of your enemies or anyone who is maybe an investigative reporter or a radio show host who's against what the government's doing. And that is so scary for so many of us. I love it when they became insurgents. Yeah, insurgents. What's going on now?

How did someone become an insurgent? You know, you're not the enemy anymore. They're insurgents. They're doing battle with insurgents. What is an insurgent? I don't even know. I'm a journalist. I don't even know what the hell it is. it became sort of a a word that was forced into

the vernacular it's like that although i never used that word insurgent my whole life i went 39 plus years without using the word insurgent and then all of a sudden it's just being tossed around on the news every day and i'm like where the fuck network come from never even heard of it before it's just a cute way of saying you know some dudes were gonna shoot you know some people are angry at us the enemy whatever it is um what do you what else did you see that you thought was uh being censored or downplayed how many how much of wiki leaks was uh how much of that was was you know censored over there yeah i mean i don't even know how much i can it's just i feel like i could talk about all of this forever, but this is really one of the first times

I'm talking about the WikiLeaks issue. But that was another hands-off kind of red tape story as well. And that was, it was difficult to get coverage of that, especially with any type of leaks. This is what's happening now. If someone comes forward with a leak to the mainstream media, now because of Obama's subpoenas, they have to analyze the legal aspect

and whether they're willing to pay the money if it's potentially subpoenaed. And so that makes stories more expensive when it comes to leaks. Also, a story that I saw that was very difficult to cover was, I see you have a mask over there anonymous yeah um that became really difficult to cover because pretty much at this point the fbi came out last year in um last winter and talked about how they feel uh cyber terrorism is is one of the biggest threats to the country. And in that speech, Robert Mueller also mentioned,

he threw in a line about script kiddies and people working on computers in their parents' basements, which pretty much meant he was referring to Anonymous. So journalistically, that became, if you cover Anonymous, you have a chance of getting subpoenaed because the federal government is against Anons. And so it became very difficult to cover that story as well and um and became uh more of an analysis on whether we were able to

spend the legal money than whether the story is journalistically important i think the anonymous story is is very important because we can't allow the federal government to come out and just call people terrorists or cyber terrorists cyber terrorists or try to instill fear. We need to know... There's a mask, the Guy Fawkes mask. We need to know, as journalists, we need to be able to talk to these people to see what they're really all about.

We all know now we can't trust our government to tell us who our enemies should be. We need to know, as journalists, we need to be able to go and talk to people, even down to Al-Qaeda. We need to be able to get in and talk to these individuals what could possibly be the justification and on the side of the government could could they be like we have to do this to protect people could they be thinking that we have to clamp down on all these rights in order to ensure the the safety

of the united states i mean what what the fuck or they or they look, we're corrupt. We're just corrupt. This is how we do it. We're just assholes. This is just how we do it. I think it's intimidation. Or it really lets you know whose agenda they're on. If you look at the situation with the FBI going after Anonymous and spending those kind of resources on Anonymous, wait a minute, why aren't you going after the bankers here? Why are you spending these resources doing these elaborate missions

to try to crush hackers who the majority of them are actually on human rights missions and aren't even hackers? They're just disseminating information on the internet. And that's when I knew that that was another thing because they'd hit some corporations. And so it's like, okay, so they're going after anonymous because the corporations are controlling our law enforcement decisions. I mean, that was the black and white of the situation. Why aren't they going after bankers? Why are they going after anonymous? And that's why it's so important for us as journalists

to be able to get in and talk to these individuals. I wonder how they justify it at the highest level. I really would love to see the meetings. When they get together and draft something like the National Defense Authorization Act, I would love to see what the conversation is like. When you're like, what do you want to put in there? Oh, we would fucking lock them up for whatever.

For whatever. For anything. You want to just put for being an enemy of the state? Yeah, enemy of the state. That's good. That's good. Enemy of the state. Which is such vague terminology that you can use it for a journalist.

A guy like Julian Assange, because Julian Assange is with WikiLeaks and not with the New York Times. If Julian Assange was with the New York Times, the New York Times released all those WikiLeaks documents, it would have been a very different story. But because he's in this WikiLeaks, what the fuck is a WikiLeak? It's connected to Wikipedia, which is sort of silly as it is, not completely reliable.

So it's sort of this, it is, not completely reliable, you know? So it's sort of this, we easily, it's dismissed. It's not the New York Times. New York Times has been around. This is a new thing. Because it's a new thing, we can say it doesn't count. Like, you can't have new journalism. It doesn't exist. Only the stuff that already is here, because we've got that

shit under wraps. So because it wasn't with the New York Times, then all of a sudden this guy can be labeled an enemy of the state i mean could you imagine i mean it would be a very different reaction if the new york times printed that and the government went after the new york times and called the new york times the enemy of the state then people would have to go whoa like what's going on here but because it's wiki leaks they should have everybody should have every journalism uh every every person that cares about true principles every journalist should have stand stood up and i mean it should have. Every journalism, every person that cares about true principles, every journalist should have stood up.

I mean, it should have been the front page of every newspaper. It should have been like, this can't happen. This is why it can't happen. This is why we need people to watch after the government. We need people to make sure that all... You can't just trust the government to look out for the good of the people. You need people watching them. And that's what journalism has always been about.

It seems like that's what that guy's doing. It doesn't seem like he's doing anything different. But yet, he's hiding in a fucking embassy in London now, and they're circling the house trying to figure out how to get him out. I mean, it's nuts. It's really weird. Because essentially they're saying, I mean, they're talking about going in. They've talked about going in several times.

But essentially they're saying i mean they're talking about going in they've talked about going in several times but essentially they're saying that the rules are bullshit like we've 10 there's rules but there really are no no rules you're what is it a consulate an embassy look it's a fucking house it's right there the guy we want's in there we're gonna go and get him and that's really what's happening right now and he's just they're just waiting him out he's in there for months waiting him out and they've. And their main goal in all of this was to distract. It's a PR tactic. Let's distract, distract, distract. And they've succeeded. They've distracted from the actual leak. And now it's become more about Julian and him having to hide in the embassy and these accusations out of Sweden. And it hasn't become about what we really should be looking into and that was the leak and how we can fix that in the future so that horrific situations of civilians getting shot by U.S. troops

don't happen again. But we're not focusing on that now because we're too busy focusing on where's Julian now and that's what they want and they've succeeded. And the fact that they're putting so much attention, emphasis and focus on this one guy and that they're doing it because he had surprise sex with someone, really? I mean, they're not even calling it rape. I mean, he's not a murderer. He's not an armed robber. He's someone who had consensual sex with someone, and then there's some weirdness that went on.

I don't know what it was. But whatever it was, even if he was guilty of it, it doesn't seem like it's nearly enough to warrant this kind of attention. I mean, this is fucking crazy. If we had to go over every guy who did something creepy sexually, and we had to send a fucking army after them, that's never happening.

That's not going to happen. It's bullshit. But it's the most obvious bullshit. It's like, it's so thinly veiled. It's insulting in how ridiculous it's the most obvious bullshit it's like it's so thinly veiled it's insulting and how ridiculous it is if you look at them like the julian assange standing out on his little balcony and he can't leave the embassy and you go why is he there for and then you find the actual thing they're going after him you're like what wait a minute what that's crazy like they're this is what they're using they're some weird sex thing that he did in Norway or Sweden or whatever the fuck.

Where was it? Norway? Sweden. And, you know, they're also trying to send a message with that to journalists like myself and others. Look what's going to happen to you if you leak the leaks. And that's what they're doing, too. It's a systematic way to try to prevent people from leaking information about corruption. It's a systematic way to try to prevent people from leaking information about corruption.

But those leaks are vital to the survival of whatever ounce of democracy we have left in this country. We need leaks. We need whistleblowers. They're heroic. They're fantastic. If something is happening in your corporation that you know is violating the public good, you should leak that information, too, because if no one knows what's happening, we can't fix it. too because if no one knows what's happening we can't we can't fix it a true patriot is supposed to be someone who protects against enemies both domestic and foreign that's supposed to be the idea is that it's not that we can't have foreign people that we love and that are allies and it's

not that we can't have domestic people who are truly our enemies i mean and anybody who's trying to turn this country into what it's becoming when you see these fucking soldiers walking down streets, when you read the language in the NDAA and you go, who fucking signed this? Like, how did this get through? That's the enemy. And whether or not that enemy, I don't know. I don't know if it's on the political side. I don't know if it's corruption. I don't know if it's on the political side I don't know if it's corruption I don't know if it's incompetence I mean they say that no one ever reads any of those fucking bills anyway that they're too long they say

that if the Congress really read everything that they sign it would be in physically impossible like they would have like if you talk to them about what's in things like there's a lot of them that that don't they can't read it they can't you know that's where journalists failed and journalism failed because we should have had a a tremendous amount of reports on ndaa and really a lot of more people raising hell about it um but it's been censored by the mainstream media and and so congress reacts to pressure if the public doesn't pressure congress not to sign the AA, then they're

going to sign it. And that's what happened. God, it's so weird. It's just, you look towards the future, and I have young children. I have a two-year-old and a four-year-old, and I look at what their life is going to be 10 years from now, 20 years from now. And if things keep clamping down the way they are, it's a fucking horrific mess. And it seems to be, if you look at the amount of money we're spending overseas, and if you look at the incredible military budget, I mean, it's just astounding how much money. It's not a lack of resources that we have. It's just how those resources are being allocated. Those resources are being allocated in these really weird ways. Is it because we just need, in order to keep our lifestyle,

we need to control these natural resources, whether it's in Iran or whatever it is that we need to do in other countries? Is that really what's going on? Is it to protect our lifestyle here? I don't know. I don't know what it is but i definitely know this is not the right way to do it it's there's got to be a better way for the whole system to be run unquestionably and it seems like it's almost like there's like like they're

conceding that it's out of control so in conceding that it's out of control they're like look we got to fucking take away their rights. We've got to make sure that we can take their computers. We want to be able to just fucking take all their money out of the bank. We can do that whenever we want. We can just say, you don't have any money anymore. Now it's all ours. We've got to be able to figure out how to stop some Arab Spring type shit

from happening here, and this is how to stop it. Stop it when we make essentially doing whatever we want legal. So all shit that should be completely illegal because they wrote some things down and some asshole signed it that didn't read it, then what's horrific now becomes law. Yeah. And it's, uh, and I think it, they want, people want you to think it's out of control, but this is very systematic. That language in the NDAA is very systematic. The crackdown on dissent in this country is very systematic.

And the crackdown on journalism who could expose the dissent is systematic. And the fact that this stuff is not airing on all these mainstream outlets that are connected to all these corporations and governments is systematic. So they make it appear to be more chaotic than it is, but it really is a systematic crackdown on dissent and people who are criticizing the government. The average person who works eight hours a day, who has a mortgage, bills, a car lease, things to think about, relationship troubles, Do they even know what the fuck is going on? What percentage of the population is waking up? I'd say it's small, but there is an army of people waking up. And I know that from after going on Alex Jones' show

and the response I got after that. I was really relieved. I said, okay, I'm not shouting alone. There are people out here that see what's happening. But at the same time, you know, I'll then go and talk with my family living in the Midwest, and then they're not aware of what's happening. They're busy watching Real Housewives of Orange County, or, you know. Or they'll say something like, well, they're over there fighting for our freedom. Yeah, or just, yeah, the propaganda. They'll just

recite the propaganda that they've been fed. That's one that hurts. They're over there fighting for our freedom yeah or just yeah the propaganda they'll just recite the propaganda that they've been fed that's one that hurts they're over there fighting for our freedom that one fucking hurts that hurts my brain it is hurts it hurts when you see the caskets that they're not allowed to photograph it hurts when you hear people that have lost friends loved ones you run into people that have no legs that come back from iraq and you're like for what for what what are they doing this for really this is the only way to do it this is the best way to do it where's that money going billions and billions and billions of dollars a month I mean it's somewhere around six to seven billion dollars per month it's costing us it's insane it's insane when you think about if if that money could be turned on just helping the United States,

just helping the poor community of the United States, trying to figure out alternative fuel sources. I mean, just putting it to, it's like there's a stranglehold on the way things are run now. And the money that's being extracted with the way things run now has such incredible power over our lives. It's really amazing how small groups, relatively small groups of people, if you stop and think about the actual amount of people that are involved in oil corporations, the amount of people that are involved in government, when you compare it to the whole world, it's relatively small. But that relatively small group of people has this insane effect on our day-to-day lives and the future of humanity, the future of literally the human race. Because if we are the biggest

superpower in the world, and that's what we are. I mean, there's never been anything like the United States. Rome was never even fucking close to as crazy as we are. We have military bases in over 100 countries. And there's a lot of people that don't know that. And this is all falling apart right before our eyes. And it's all crumbling right before. And it's all going down like a crazy fucking movie, like some crazy apocalyptic movie. It's going on right before our eyes.

And most people are just stuck in traffic. They're just listening to some fucking Kanye West song, Can't wait to get home to watch the latest Kim Kardashian show. And it's, it's, we're, we're fucking strange. And it's been set up that way. I mean, the more ignorant people are, the more you can get away with and look at our programming or television programming. It's, I was talking with some producers the other day who've been trying for years to feed these networks intelligent programming and hardcore news shows and shows to educate the public. And instead

they said a show about some people catching alligators in swamps was approved. So this has been a systematic over the years. It's a good show though. You ever watch that show? Yeah, it is a great show. But over the years it's been a or this one here. Oh, Honey Boo Boo? Honey Boo Boo. Yeah. Yeah. Or Bigfoot Hunter. Bigfoot Hunter? Okay, I haven't or this one here honey boo-boo honey boo-boo yeah yeah it's been a bigfoot hunter that's

bigfoot hunter okay i haven't watched that sasquatch we're finding bigfoot rather dude i'm not going off on these shows but we need we need some educational programming we do we do um we we need a better system we need to meet a better system not just of government but of life you know there's there's too many people in this world that are living these really horrible, unfulfilling lives. And I don't think that's necessary. I think there's too many people out there that are in what feels to them an unproductive, unsatisfying cog in a wheel. And all of that leads to this feeling of detachment from the events of our world.

And we sort of allow the people that are in the positions of power to manipulate these great masses of people. I mean, I've always said that the idea of a country is really kind of ridiculous at a certain point. If it's not ridiculous today, it's ridiculous 100 years from now. The interconnectedness of human beings through technology is eventually going to make the ideas of physical boundaries and barriers where you can't go over there because this dirt is controlled by these people but you can't go it's it's crazy it doesn't make any sense it's eventually we're going to have to accept the idea of a world community and when when you think of

the the future and you think of what a world community community would be like one thing's for sure is you're not going to be able to control all those people you're not going to they're going to have to it's people are going to have to be served by by by the notions and and then the the beliefs that they have, by the ideas of community, by the ideas of sharing, the ideas of making and enhancing each other's lives, the idea of having a real community of human beings on this one planet instead of these ridiculous little teams that we're on, whether it's fucking, I hate Texas because I'm from Oklahoma or, you know, the United States and England can go fuck themselves.

You know, it's at a certain point in time, we're going to I'm from Oklahoma or the United States. England can go fuck themselves. At a certain point in time, we're going to connect to each other to the point where we realize we are really just one giant community. And if we're one giant community, we can't get led by these one people that have more ones than zeros that want to send giant metal killing machines

to places we've never been because there's minerals there or because there's heroin there or because there's oil there or because there's whatever the fuck it is that's not going to work anymore it's going to get to a point in time where that's not going to work and i think that's what this big clamoring for taking away rights is all about i think the writing on the wall is that the internet the internet is changing the game it's changing humanity it's changing we i don't even think we even realize when when history looks back and they look at 1993 94 whenever aol started when

they look at that to now and that is a crazy change in the way people look at the world and just uh just just by access just access to each other just the ability to communicate with each other and find out there's other people that think like you. Find out there's other people that are scared and confused. And find out there's other countries that are taking over their country. They're taking it back and they're fighting against corruption. And then the United States sees that and goes, Fuck this! Start cutting cords!

We need to be able to cut the internet. We need to be able to shut off people's cell phones, which is the latest Apple. Thanks a lot, Apple, you fucking twats. This ridiculous new thing that they've done where they've made a third-party option so that someone can turn off video cameras.

So all cops have to do... You should be suspicious that you can't take your battery out of your iPhone. You should be, right? Why can't you take your battery out? I've always wondered that. Well, because it's supposed to be a larger battery. If you have a smaller battery, if it's removed, you have to have a housing and a place where it attaches, and that space is all used up, and you can have a larger battery. I've just heard a lot of people within the security community and train of thought that right now are speculating,

why can't you take your battery out? Well, if you can't take your battery out, then your GPS can never shut off. And you can never, I've had meetings with sources where I've had to literally throw my iPhone out the window because they said they wouldn't talk to me

if I had an iPhone with me because there's no physical way to shut that phone off. So if anyone was monitoring me, there would be no way if I had that phone in my presence to keep it off. It's really creepy that Apple

decided to include that. The ability of a third party to shut off your video camera remotely. And they say, well, hey, it's for concerts. It's for guys like you, Joe Rogan, to do your comedy. We don't want anybody recording. That's not what it is. It's to stop Anaheim.

Can't shut that up. Brian loves it. He loves it, though. He doesn't care. He's like, dude, track me. He makes love to that phone. That phone is sexual to him. I've had to put Post-its over my camera on my phone and on my laptop. Oh, absolutely.

Because when I see the software that they have, one of my friends who is very savvy with knowing software and hacking and stuff um has shown me programs where they can install it on your laptop and someone can get in and they can control your camera so they can monitor you all the time they can they can literally if you have a wi-fi connection they can go and suck your information out of your laptop through the wi-fi and send it to another computer i mean all this stuff has been going on for years you know but i it didn't ever really hit me in my head and I said gosh how many times have you had your laptop open when maybe

you haven't been dressed or other things so now I put a sticky note over my laptop camera they're going to be completely grossed out by me yeah it's just me beating off I had a friend who was hired

by corporations to hack into computers. And he said one guy, he hacked into his computer, and he was recording the video off his computer camera. And he has all these videos of the guy picking his nose and doing other things that men tend to do in front of their computers. I'm not going gonna say what it is but you can assume videos of this guy beating off yeah and and he actually brought this stuff to him as part of his you know look what we have on you now reveal the other information um wow so just

so you know i would what was this guy what was the guy doing like what was the were they so interested in him for well well um it was it had to do with a a legal dispute with a law firm but something to know is that um you know is that anyone can access your computer at any time so to be super cautious so we should start shaving a little bit better yeah that's so crazy and how long has this technology been available oh gosh for years we're just anytime i figure anytime you find out about security technology or hacking technology it's been out for years sometimes decades it's like your mom finding out about the ipad or something

that's so crazy and scary how many people do you think that they've done that in lawsuits and stuff like that way and people just shut up about it because they have photos of them in front of the computer well i think that's what's so scary for people about this new nsa facility that they're building yes that was the next thing i wanted to talk to you about out of bluffdale utah if anyone wants to take a vacation for your civil rights that's where you should go you know tell everybody what that is uh they're building a two billion dollar domestic spying facility to literally gather your information and your communications. And most people say, I always hear this over and over, well, I'm not doing nothing wrong. It doesn't matter if they're monitoring me. It does

matter because they're going to have a file on you for your entire life of communication. So say one day you do something that upsets someone or say potentially potential employers hack into this database. Okay, so we want to find out what Joe's been up to over the years. Well, we see based on his phone GPS records that he tends to visit the casino too much. So we don't want to hire him. Or we also see he's not religious. Or we see that, you know, he's been visiting an oncologist and he potentially has cancer,

so we don't want to hire him for those health insurance reasons. It is dangerous to allow the government to collect this kind of information on its citizens. Any of that information can be used down the road to blackmail you or keep you from whistleblowing or, as a journalist, keep me from leaking a story or keep me from even having the story in general because they know what track I'm on.

Do you think there's a way that they can ever stop everything from being public information? Because it seems to me that that's the trend. It seems that privacy is slowly eroding and it doesn't seem to just be like one group of people that has access. It seems to be that there's going to be a point in time where everybody's going to have access, that technology is going to really, it's going to bypass boundaries. There's going to be no boundaries anymore.

Yeah, we're almost getting to that point. I know as an investigative reporter now, we kind of, a lot of us do things the old-fashioned way. We write things in notebooks now or just remember things because we can't, I can't trust, ah, I just dropped it. Well, now it's broken. Your tracking device can't, I can't trust, ah, I just dropped it. Well, now it's broken. Um, you're sending your tracking device. I can't, I can't trust my tracking device and I can't, I can't trust that this hasn't been hacked into or, um, do you have an Android phone because you can take the battery out? Yeah. I got rid of my iPhone specifically because of that,

because I went through six iPhones. Yeah. That's on. Think about it. Uh, I went through six iphones yeah that's on think about it uh i went through six of them uh because of those reasons i'd meet resources they said what you have to get rid of that phone or um you know i had weird things um so i yeah i don't i i use the android system now you are living a very non-stereotypical 29 year old girl's life this is really great you're you're like in a crazy movie i mean you're you're going to foreign countries and exposing things and removing cell phone batteries and you're worried about being spied on covering your your your lens of your laptop like what a weird world we live in what a weird world you live in i know it is strange but that's

i mean that's unfortunately that's the way it's become, the reality has become for us journalists. I even know journalists now who are contemplating leaving the United States. Wow. And going where? Where would you go? I, um, I don't want to say. Really? Yeah.

You want to keep it on the DL? Yeah. I'll tell you where I'm going. Where? Vancouver. Vancouver. British Columbia. Montreal, Vancouver.

I've heard a lot of people. Montreal's cold. Yeah, I know. Vancouver doesn Vancouver. British Columbia. Montreal, Vancouver. I've heard a lot of people. Montreal's cold. Yeah, I know. Vancouver doesn't get that cold. A source of mine in a documentary I'm doing went to Canada. A lot of people that are planning where they're going to go if things get really bad would say Canada. Toronto's amazing. Yeah.

It's amazing. I love Canada. I want to know what her secret spot is, though. She's not somewhere... Why are you a stalker boy? Listen, when the apocalypse hits, you can't live with her, okay? I don't need any bodyguards. I don't need... No, I don't...

You know, because I haven't... I've been thinking about it, and I don't quite know... I don't know... I think for me, it's almost too much to handle, the thought of having to leave. But for especially investigative journalists after the NDAA passed, that's a reality for all of us. Because we're going to piss people off in the government. So how are they going to come after us?

And why did you pick Canada? Why was that your choice, Vancouver? I love it up there. I go there all the time. I do a lot of gigs in Canada. I'm probably more popular in Canada than I am in America. Like podcast. The podcast is, we're regularly in the top three in the iTunes, in the comedy section in America.

But in Canada, we're regularly number one at all the podcasts. It's weird. We have a crazy following in Canada. We were just in Toronto. I did Massey Hall in Toronto. It was amazing. It was crazy. The fucking people are so nice there's 20 lentz douchebags up there the streets are way cleaner everything's cleaner you see people like sweeping up and cleaning things they're just it's a better country it's it's they're not greedy assholes it's a

completely different vibe the way you interact with people they don't have the same expectations as amer people. They don't have the same expectations as Americans do. They don't have the same point of view, the same arrogance. It's just a completely different vibe. It's like someone took America and said, we kind of remove some of the cuntiness out of Americans and let's try another civilization. Let's try this civilization that's not trying to overthrow the world. They look the same. They talk the same.

I think I'm going to escape to North Korea. I think that's the go-to move. Yeah, that's good. Get over there. Why North Korea for you? Go now. He's being silly. Yeah, there's another place if we really cared about human rights.

Why aren't we in Mexico and North Korea? Those are two places we really would be cracking down. And that's why everyone needs to wake up because we're being led into a war with Iran. The writing's on the wall. And it's Iraq number two. And instead of this time, it's with Iran. And Iran has some pretty tough allies in China and Russia. And the American public is being fed BS, and we're being led into Iran by the same forces that led us into Iraq. And we need to wake up, because it's going to happen soon.

And because we, I mean, all you have to do, this is everyone's test. Just turn on the news, the mainstream outlets, CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox, and you're going to see a constant demonization of Iran. Not that they don't deserve it, but based on everything happening here, it's absurd. What do they deserve it for? If Iran is doing anything bad, what is it? I think that, you know, you have Ahmadinejad who doesn't have traditional Western beliefs when it comes to homosexuality. And also,

you know, there is a beef they have with Israel. That being said, what he's been doing is rhetoric. He's been talking. Okay. We don't just go and attack every single leader because of their insane rhetoric, or we would be in every country, including Mexico, and we're not. And so now you have to sit back, and now that you can pull yourself away, and first step to recognizing what's happening is to know that you're being fed propaganda. And once you know that, then you can stand back and you can analyze it intelligently and realize, I mean, look at the movies we have coming out. Argo, you think that is just coming out randomly? What is that? I saw it's a Ben Affleck movie. I saw it billboard. I have no idea what it is.

It's on a hostage situation that's going on in Iran. I mean, look at the timing of that. Call me a conspiracy theorist. I think this is systematic. I think the public is systematically being fed fear of Iran. But how is that? Is Ben Affleck a CIA agent? I mean, how does that work? Isn't it his movie? It's that Americans were taken hostage in Iran. And so in the end, maybe it's a heroic movie, but in the end, you also feel you have a fear of Iran. It's going to put a fear of Iran in everyone that goes and sees that. But do you think that's a government plot?

Or do you think that's just a movie that they thought would be timely? I mean, maybe they thought that. But regardless, it's going to have an effect of people that leave that theater are going to have more of a fear of Iran instilled in them. At a time where the news is constantly demonizing Iran at a time where we're about to potentially approve military action on the country. And Iran, contrary to popular belief, the youth of Iran are very westernized in a lot of ways. And they are not happy with the way that their country is portrayed. They're not happy with the whole situation, the situation of, you know, the way Iran treats its foreign policy.

The young people there, they're very Americanized. There's a lot of that going on there. You know, you see them in the universities and you see the different protests that they have over there. It's really strange to think that you, by a shitty roll of the dice, could have been born there. I could have been born there. And we could be a part of this youth movement that's trying to figure out why the fuck this country is so crazy. Why are we trapped in this crazy empire

with this wacky Aminijad guy out there speaking for us overseas, making a mockery? I mean, he seems like a caricature bad guy. He seems like we gave him the script. And we're like, listen, dude, first thing you want to do is say there's no gays in Iran. He's like, that's preposterous. Yeah, I know it's preposterous, but we want you to say it.

There's no gays in Iran. I mean, he's like a cartoonish bad guy. Like, the stuff he talks about, it's so stupid. It's like, how did you get to be the guy who talks when that's the shit that you're saying? And that's also the way the media, I mean, if you also look at the media's coverage, not that I'm defending him, but the media tends to pick up on, only cover those kinds of situations. They don't cover the times when he's speaking intelligently.

Right, of course. And that's what's dangerous, too, is because we're not being given the whole story. I'm trying to get an interview with him now. Whoa. Because I want to sit with him. Well, now that I've mentioned it, it'll probably be stopped. But I want to sit down with him, and I want to get to the bottom of a lot of these situations with the whole wiping Israel off the map and other situations

because I can't trust that we've been fed the correct story on that through the mainstream media. I mean, the situation now is that even the other day, Hakhman Dinejad was speaking in front of the UN, and there's a video on the internet now of CNN cut him off. And then the reporter started talking over him at a point when he was talking about the fact that these countries, all the countries could get together and get along peacefully. He was talking about the potential for peace and said they went in cut him off and then oh yeah yeah listen to him and now he's trying to do this and and really demonizing him and in journalistically

you can't just do that and they didn't give him his fair share so maybe he's not quite as insane as we've been led to believe. There are many forces very powerful forces that want you to hate him and think he's freaking nuts so that it justifies us going in and attacking him. And when you start to realize that and look back at the info, you realize you may be not being fed the whole picture here. Knowing what you know and being in the position that you are, being a person who is behind the scenes at a major news outlet like cnn and you get to see sort of the the strings that that hold the puppets up is there a way to fix this is there a way to turn this ship around and sort of right america or is this a constant protest until we fall off the face of the earth and have a nuclear war? Do we just scream and throw our hands up and pout and yell and scream until they launch

the missiles that wipes us all out? Or is it possible that with education, with the distribution of information that's available today, with people like us talking about it, with people that are young, like David Seaman, growing up and becoming political leaders, is it possible that we can write this thing, that what we have is a group of people that are in control of this country that really came from another era? They came from an era of no disclosure. They came from an era where Watergate happened every now and then,

but really it was because they wanted to catch him. There's plenty of information that they have on everybody. Let's just keep this thing going along the way it's always gone along. Is it possible that we can end this era and move into an era of transparency, move into an era where people who are the leaders of this country are doing it for the right reasons? They're doing it because they truly are patriotic, because they truly believe in the real ideals. When we think of ourselves in the best light, those ideals, the ideals of

being an American, that they can actually bring us more in line, bring our actions more in line with that. Is that possible? It's only possible if people have access to information. Yes. And in a way that can compete with the mainstream. And that doesn't quite exist yet. There are a lot of strong forces outside your show, Alex Jones, and other entities that are actually bringing out, talking about these things that the mainstream isn't talking about, NDAA, all these other issues affecting our civil liberties. these things that the mainstream isn't talking about, NDAA, all these other issues affecting our civil liberties. If those forces can't compete and get the message out just as loudly

as the mainstream, then I don't know what direction this country's headed in. But we need that information. That information is power, and it's definitely not getting to the masses quite yet. But if we get to a point where we can compete with the mainstream and really get this information out, then people will be enlightened and they'll know when things are happening and can make a difference and actually look for solutions. The real question is how long can they hold that off for? Is it possible that they can fight that off with shit like NDAA, with all these passing, these sweeping bills about controlling the internet, the SOPA type bills that they keep force feeding and pushing through.

How long can they really stop that from happening? Because it seems like this is a new era. To me, it seems like when I talk to people today, I mentioned this when I spoke with David Seaman when we had him on the show. I was like, I didn't know anything when I was your age I was like he's 26 years old I was like dude when I was 26 I was retarded I didn't know anything about the way of the world goes and you hear you are educating me on things you're you're completely immersed in the way this

country is being run the corruption of lobbyists and corporations corporate influence on the wood the way we do everything from grow our food to extract oil. Is this a new era? I mean, are we dealing with this new wave of people who are informed, who are growing into adulthood to push these old douchebags out of office? I mean, is that what's going to happen? Or are we going to blow ourselves up before we get there? Are these old fuckheads hanging on by kitty cat claws on a curtain, just barely hanging on. They hit the red button and the whole thing gets wiped back to 10,000 years ago again.

I am an optimist. So I hope that's not in our future plans. But I think that the way things are going now, we're not in control of our country. The people of America are not in control. Who is, specifically? Well, that's a good question, because obviously it's not the presidency,

because otherwise NDAA wouldn't have been passed, and we wouldn't have this ridiculous war on whistleblowers and journalists who want to improve the country. So you think the presidency has, that's definitely not within what they're looking for? No, and I think that I, because it can't be anymore. I mean, if Obama passed, signed NDAA with those kind of provisions to be able to detain American citizens without trial that violates the Fifth Amendment, it's no longer on behalf of the people.

I don't think they're making decisions on behalf of the people. You have some people that speculate who's really in control. Some people say the Federal Reserve. That worries them significantly. That's where we borrow most of our money. No one really knows who's in charge of the Federal Reserve. Some people say they're the ones pulling the strings. You hear all these conspiracy theories.

But one thing's for sure is the people of the United States, I feel personally based on my last 10 years of really getting behind the scenes and investigating all of these major disasters we've had in the country, the people are no longer in control. Decisions are not being made on behalf of the people. If decisions were being made on behalf of the people of the United States, we would not be about to be entering Iran. We would be taking that money and giving it toward education and health care and improving the economy.

If decisions were being made on behalf of the people, we'd be going after the bankers that got us in this mess. And what's staggering to me is that if you look at what we're doing overseas, where we're spending all this money, a lot of the contracts that have gone to Halliburton for reconstruction, a lot of the different desalination plants they have over there, we could have easily had businesses profiting off of government contracts to fix our infrastructure, to fix our bad communities, to fix our impoverished places, to try to heal up America. I've always said that the best way, if you want to make America better, the best way to do it is to make less losers, right? So the way to make less losers. You got to go after, you have to try to help children. You have to try to brace

poor neighborhoods and try to prop them up and try to figure out a way to bring some sort of economic prosperity to that area. Education, help people work, give them role models. There's money to be made

and there's satisfaction to be gained from the people that could help those people. That's money to be made and there's satisfaction to be gained from the people that could help those people. That's like a beautiful human experience of helping people out and propping them up. And it can be profitable because there's going to have to spend money doing that. So corporations are going to make money. Tax dollars will go there. It seems like it's just sort of a redistribution of the way we're spending our money from spending it on war to spending it on love. And it seems like there's money in love, too. But we've been tricked into thinking there's only money in war.

And to think that all of our resources and everything that we have and everything that we project can only be profitable if we're killing people. That seems crazy. It seems like that's just the way we've always been doing it. And in viewing the world as one giant community, which I think is inevitable, I'm pretty sure if you just look at the way things are going, the exponential growth, it's inevitable. It's inevitable that we will be just one big world community. Well, that's what we've got to do. It's real simple. If we want to live and enjoy life, which I assume everyone does, we want to enjoy this life. The only way we can enjoy this life is if there's the smallest amount of people possible that are not enjoying it. Smallest

amount. The smallest amount of people in despair that it's manageable. The smallest amount. You're always going to have a certain amount of losers. You're always going to have a certain amount. As long as there's variables, as long as there's, you could do, you could go left whenever you want to go right. There's going to be mistakes. There's going to be chaos, which we're human. Humans are nuts. But if we could drop that to a tiny minuscule number and the amount of oppressed people, make it as small as possible. The amount of people with no opportunity, make it as small as possible. Then amount of people with no opportunity, make it as small as possible. Then we can have a beautiful world for everybody.

But we're not going to get that by supporting Bahrain. We're not going to get that by guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan. We're not going to get that by multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts for Halliburton. That is not how we're going to get there. That's the last gasps of a dying empire of douchebags. And that's what I really, when I look at this country and when I look at all these people that are speaking out, when I look at people like you, I see real patriotism. When I see people like Alex, you can call Alex Jones crazy all day. I love that guy and he's a fucking patriot. People like Alex, you can call Alex Jones crazy all day.

I love that guy, and he's a fucking patriot. He's a real patriot. And what he wants is not to expose corruption and conspiracy everywhere he goes. What he wants is for all to stop. He wants people to run this country with a real sense of morals. We should be run by true moralists. We should be run by people who feel responsible for their actions, who feel that the repercussions of the decisions that they make should be as positive as possible. And we should

be a nation of heroes. We should lead the world as a nation of heroes instead of marauders. And the American people deserve better. The world deserves better. The world deserves better, yes. The world deserves to know that people are going to be in the best interest. We need to know that we can be run by the best possible examples of humanity and that we could encounter the best possible examples of humanity in every single country.

If people just rise, if people just get their fucking shit together unanimously all across the board, if we can figure out a way to truly enlighten, and the way to do this is with mushrooms. See, what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, we're fucking around and we're trying to do it on our own. And it's too goddamn hard. You only get so far with a yoga class every six months that you squeeze in after Starbucks. You have a fucking heart attack when you're bending over in warrior pose.

I think we need mushrooms and we need them now. We need them from outer space. We need them to just drop down. Just, well, we need something. We need them to just drop down. Just, well, we need something. We need an enlightenment. We need the next stage of enlightenment. We surely do. And it seems inevitable

and it seems like there's a battle going on. And there's a lot of people that believe that you can't have the true push and momentum of enlightenment unless there's resistance against it. It's that our entire nature is that we really don't achieve what we can achieve unless there's resistance. And so we still have somehow in our alpha male primate DNA this desire to conquer and

this desire to fight against oppression, this desire to rise against the enemy and compete against your fellow man. And it's almost like a lot of people believe that the only way for people to truly achieve enlightenment is to see a holocaust, is to see an inquisition, is to see the horrific possibilities of humanity. So it gives us something to not be. It gives us something to rise against.

I think that's the past though. I think, I think really the future. I think we were living in a weird world. We're living in a world that has changed a lot more than we're aware of. And it's slowly starting to creep up on us. And, and it may, I mean, who knows if, if we've already missed this, the warning signs, but that's why people need to take it so seriously when we have NDAAs passed and when we see police dressed like Judge Dredd.

You know? I mean, wake up. Look what's happening on our streets of this country. It's amazing. I mean, think of 10 years ago if you saw those police officers dressed like Judge Dredd standing in front of a protest in front of Walmart intimidating a bunch of older individuals who are unarmed.

It is scary. And it all could have been avoided. It all could have been avoided if the police were different. It all could have been avoided if that kid was not shot in front of everybody in broad daylight. It all could have been avoided if the police reacted to it differently. Everything could have been avoided. Instead, it's fuck you, you do as we say, or we're going to bring in tanks and dogs and rubber bullets. And that's not America. It's not

you're being lazy. You're doing it the wrong way. You're trying to just control things and you're not doing it the way that an enlightened society and culture would handle it. You're not. And that means that's the enemy. That type of behavior, marching down the streets and shooting bullets down the alley, that's the enemy. That's the enemy at home. And the people that are doing it,

they think that they're doing well. They think they're doing good. They think they're doing their job. And that's what's really fucked up about it. It's like by the fact that someone gives them the green light, they feel like they're in the right. Like, well, these fucking protesters just stopped breaking the law. I'll stop shooting rubber bullets at their face. Just because somebody wrote something down on a piece of paper doesn't mean that shit's right. There's a lot of shit that's

written down on paper that doesn't make any sense. One of the things is that you're somehow allowed to bring tanks into a city and guys with machine guns because a kid got shot in the back. That's not the way you're supposed to handle that situation. That's not the way an enlightened being handles their society and their culture. And that is where we are right now. We are at a pass in human nature. We are at a bridge. We're at a divide where we have to change from the way we've lived for the past few thousand years.

We just lived like dominating creeps. We have to change into a compassionate society of people who view each other as a community. You know, people who view everyone all around the world as a community. And that's the only hope.

It's the only hope for humanity. And it seems to me that it's like almost a race. There's a race between the assholes of the world that are trying to start conflict everywhere they can and try to extract resources and just fuck people over. There's a race between them and enlightenment. And one of them is going to win you know one of them is going to win and either they get to the button first and they flip the whole board over and we have to start the game over again or we calm everything the

fuck down and we get out of this and we realize that you can't do all this corrupt bullshit anymore everybody knows what you're doing now, and now we have to have a government that actually looks out for people, and we have to make decisions based on what's an intelligent way to look at our possibilities for the future. And that's what leaders are supposed to do, and that's what real patriotism is supposed to be about. It's not supposed to be about locking people up because they expose when you

fuck up. Yeah. I mean, we're just at a time right now where I agree with you. That was a beautiful way to describe it, Joe, where we're competing. Enlightenment is competing with corruption. And you're seeing corruption slowly try

to crush enlightenment with NDAA, with prosecuting whistleblowers. And who's going to win? And I'm always on the side of the people. I think a growing number of people are realizing what's happening. But it can only happen if you let it happen to yourself. The NDAA is the best example of that there is a battle going on. example of that that there is a battle going on because in in just in the language that they use saying that they can hold you indefinitely without recourse that alone is like saying no i have god

mode that's like saying let's bring someone into god mode that's your fuck the mba yeah i had to create the meme i we've had as journalists we've had to also become activists when we've seen the truth because we because we are enlightened in a way that most of the public isn't. And now it's such a critical time. I just felt like I had to get that out there to let people know, as journalists, we say, fuck this section of the NDAA. This is ridiculous. It has the power to kill journalism because it will terrify our sources from coming forward. Not only that, we could be accused of helping terrorists, whoever our government decides are terrorists, and get locked up forever.

And Obama says he won't use it on U.S. citizens. He promises that. But what about the next president? Yeah. And the president after that? You know that old expression, the person you say yes to today won't be the same person you say yes to 20 years from now?

Yeah. And that's the problem with law, is that just because someone put something into, once it's down, once it's written in the book, it can be interpreted a number of different ways and used a number

of different ways as you're seeing in Bahrain where they're killing people with sanctioned methods of crowd control. They're using it to execute people, you know, slowly

with sanctioned methods of crowd control. They're just using the law and they're using it to their advantage. of tear gas. I mean, they are, if anyone researches it,

they're systematically gassing these people. And if they continue this way, doctors are terrified for the long-term health damage it's going to have. They're just gassing hundreds of thousands of people over and over every single day, 10 minutes from the U.S. military base. Why aren't our troops complaining about this? We need old people. They see this every day. Yeah, why aren't they? Well, I don't think they have... What can the troops

do? Yeah, well, they can't be... If they all came up and rebelled against what was happening down the street from them and spoke out against it, it couldn't exist. Well, one of the things that they do to keep the troops down is to keep them poor. You know, the money that they make while in the military is

shockingly low and the the scary thing is that when dick cheney was in office they passed laws that allowed them to send people back you know even if your time is over they can bring you back because they need bodies and it's scary it's scary for those people i have a friend that was uh he was 20 days he had 20 days left on a 20 year stint in the army reserves and they sent him to iraq for a year and a half and they sent him back again they sent him there for a year and a half and they sent him back again later and you know this guy was fucked there was nothing you can do about it he had 20 days left wow yeah and they go tough shit see uh what are you gonna do you're gonna fight us

you're gonna fight us you're gonna do what we tell you to do and they have to they they have those guys programmed to do what they tell them to do and they're scared and they don't have money to fight in court they don't want to get court-martialed and they know that the the law is not on their side the the written law is not on their side even though it's morally i mean it doesn't make sense it's it doesn't make sense. It's, it doesn't make sense legally. None of it makes sense that you can actually have these, I mean, essentially you turn people into slaves.

You turn that they have to do your bidding. They do your bidding for a minimal amount of money. And it's, it's fucking shocking. It's shocking. It's, it's, it's,

it's, it's Orwellian. It's disappointing. It's when you realize that this is how the country really is run and our idealistic view of it as America, fuck yeah. It's not what it could be. It's like we're embarrassing. If you look at the amount of goodwill that we had after 9-11,

and everybody was like, fuck, our hearts go out to America. This is a horrible tragedy. And then look at the way they look at us now. Like, God damn, whatever we did, whatever we did to deserve that, it's just a mess. We're not as good as we could be. Just not, period. Clearly, we were running incompetently. And I thought Obama was going to be able to do something about that.

Yeah, so did i uh i think a lot of people felt that the country would change and journalistically it's changed horrifically so so that only tells you uh i mean like i said earlier that that the presidency is no longer in control by the individual um you know i feel like there are greater forces at play here. And our country is being led in a direction that's not in the direction the people want it to go. So what's going to happen here, you know? The crazy thing is if they do do something with Iran, they can't expect there'll be no repercussions. I mean, what do they think is going to be the blowback?

What do they think is going to be the, you know, the aftershock, the aftermath? How much damage is something like is going to be the aftershock, the aftermath? How much damage is something like that going to cause internationally? If Russia and China get involved, it could be crazy. It could be really crazy. World War III, and they have nukes. And

I don't want to be sitting here fear-mongering, but I see the writings on the wall. You just have to look at all the propaganda being fed and the fact that Bahrain was so systematically censored, that fear mongering but I see the writings on the wall. You just have to look at all the propaganda being fed and the fact that Bahrain was so systematically censored that story in all of the mainstream media, not just CNN. And so you look at that, put everything, put the pieces of the puzzle together and to me it spells out war. And the American people need to wake up and realize that we are close to action being taken.

Now, is it going to be taken with the approval of the people? Are we going to be given a choice? And it's pretty scary that I'm even having to ask this question now. Do you remember when Obama was running for office and they were saying he's going to pull out of Iraq, he's going to close down Guantanamo Bay? He had all these things that he was saying. There's none of that talk. He won't sign NDAA. He'll take that he was saying. There's none of that talk. He won't sign NDAA.

He'll take that. Yeah. But there's none of that talk now. In this series of debates, it's all about the economy, and it's all about business, and it's all about taxes. Meanwhile, we're about to go into World War III, and we're like, la, la, la, not listening. We're like completely blocking out. Like four years ago, it was huge.

The entire discussion was, what are we doing with these wars that we can't win? When are we going to pull out? How are we going to handle this? McCain had one plan. Obama had another. Obama was going to get us out of there. And it seemed like we had realized as a country that we were going to have to correct the mistakes of the previous administration. But now there doesn't seem to be any of that talk. They've just swept that under the rug.

It's almost like they're denying that, A, there's still a huge conflict going on in Afghanistan. Still to this day, people are suicide bombing left and right. There's all sorts of troops that we train are attacking Americans and using the guns that we give them on American soldiers. I mean, it's fucking chaos over there. And there's not a peep about it. Not a peep. Not a peep.

Not a peep about the heroin. Not a peep about the fact that Afghanistan controls more than 90% of the world's heroin, and that heroin use has gone up, skyrocketed in the United States since our occupation in Afghanistan. And some of that is going towards to make OxyContin and painkillers that are causing a ridiculous number of addicts in Florida and in Appalachia.

Have you seen that documentary, the OxyContin Express? Yeah, yeah. The Vanguard documentary? It was fabulous. I'm a huge fan of her. Mariana Von Zeller and Darren Foster did that one for Current. They are extremely talented film producers and journalists. That was scary shit.

When you watch that guy whose wife died of an overdose, and he smoked Oxycontin before he called the cops while his wife was dead next to him. It's crazy. My cousin's in jail right now for that. dead next to him it's great my cousin's in jail right now for that um he grew up in like a a upper middle class family in the suburbs and he got hooked on oxycontin after trying it at a party then switched to heroin and now now he's in the in the slammer unfortunately yeah i have a family member who lost his shit over it he got injured got you know had a back injury, took it, and just lost it, gone.

Not the same guy anymore. Now he's gone, just nuts. It's a scary, scary, scary drug and so easy to get. Just unbelievably easy to get. What people don't realize is that there's more addicts, more pill addicts today than there have ever been at any time in human history. I mean, there's more people that are hooked on these fucking crazy pain pills. I mean, it's an epidemic, a real epidemic.

Meanwhile, the DEA is fucking going after medical marijuana, fucking breaking down doors and sticking machine guns and tie-dyed kid t-shirt faces. You know, it's fucking unbelievable. I love going to Venice Beach when you can just walk there and you just see people just smoking a joint on the side. And not just because I'm not saying whether I'm a marijuana fan or not. I'm saying that. You're a marijuana fan. You know, I don't see the problem with it.

I'm going to come out there. There's no problem with it. Because I've covered the Oxycontin. I did a lot of reporting from Florida. I saw my family member affected by it it and i said this is legal and america and marijuana is illegal if you look at the side effects well drew dr drew on fucking cnn tried to say that there was a massive withdrawal effects the coincide with quitting marijuana which is complete physiological nonsense it's just not true there's no withdrawal it not like heroin. It's not like you can die. You know what has the worst withdrawal?

Alcohol. People die because they don't drink. You get so addicted to alcohol that if you go cold turkey, your body can go into shock and you can die. It's not marijuana, stupid. And he's on CNN talking about that, talking about marijuana being something dangerous. Only to pussies. If marijuana fucks up your life, I've always said this, it's just because marijuana got there first. It could have been cheeseburgers, scratch tickets. It could have been anything. You're an idiot.

You let something that makes people happy and makes people more sensitive, makes food taste better. You've made that ruin your life. You could ruin your life with anything if you so choose. People are weird. People get addicted to washing their hands. People get addicted to sitting in front of shows and not leaving when the commercial's on.

People are nuts. You can't say, because a certain amount of people can't handle marijuana, marijuana would do a lot of people that are in control of this world some good. Just to be paranoid and just think about the repercussions and think about the actions that they've done and what that's caused to the people that they have control over. Maybe you should give Netanyahu a joint.

A pot cookie. Maybe he'll... Netanyahu would cry if you gave that guy a pot brownie. Net zero Yahoo. Net zero Yahoo? Net zero Yahoo. Yeah. He would change his cartoon bomb for sure. He would make it like the Death Squad cat's bombs.

I feel like someone had to be stoned when they drew that bomb. Because it's so ridiculous. I just can't imagine someone wasn't under the influence of some type of drug during that drawing. Well, it makes me think that this world's not real. I go over this so many times that my fans are getting angry at me sometimes. They Twitter me and tell me, stop talking about simulation theory. Because it really starts...

When you saw Mitt Romney the other day, and he was wearing blackface when he was talking to the Mexicans, I was like, holy shit, this can't be real. That guy put fucking Snooki tan on his face, and he didn't even get it on his neck he didn't get it on the back of his neck so as his face is all like super brown and orangey his neck is white his neck looks like a fucking t-shirt dude i've lived in mexico and guatemala and he is not hispanic like i don't care what he says or if he wants to try to fit in. Well, you know his story, right? It's a shame.

Yeah, yeah. He's from Mexico. I've heard different theories on that, that they were kind of forced down there as family. Oh, yeah. They're polygamists. Yeah. They wanted to fuck a lot of women. They wanted to have a bunch of wives.

They wouldn't let them do it in America, so they decided to move to Mexico. But that was back when people were riding horses all right nobody thought there was going to be a difference what's the difference mexico america fuck it let's move there yeah we can have 10 wives there and so they decided to move there and mexico just didn't change and grow at the same rate as america so now they're stuck in like wars and shootouts with the drug cartels. And the guys from Vice broke this story about the Mormon compound, the Romney compound that they have down in Mexico. The Romney family is from fucking Mexico.

Romney's dad wanted to run for president, but he couldn't because he was born in Mexico in a cult. And that's where Romney came from. He came from there. He lived there. I mean, it's fucking bananas they they're a crazy looney tunes religious cult that wanted a bunch of wives and so they decided to go to another country and and I I hate when candidates try to act like they're so chum chum with with the black community or the Latino community or you know they always

put a show on it's just so disingenuous. And the way I see him do that with the Hispanic community is just ridiculous. It's cute. I don't see him hanging out in L.A. and really getting down with the community. I could never imagine him going in a bar and hanging out with a bunch of day labor Hispanic men. I could never

see them getting along with Romney. It's interesting, though, that that's where the debate has gone. That's where the focus of our country has gone. It's gone into these two very different personalities and what each one represents. The dialogue is one of them represents

a redistribution of wealth. He represents, you know, he's going to take money from these people that have worked so hard. He's going to give it to these lazy folk to try to prop them up. And then the other side is that this guy is a businessman. And this guy is going to be able to figure out what's wrong with the business of this economy and put us back on track. And he's got these steps that he's going to take right away. And then one side is like, this is going to cost the middle class a lot of money and all while this is going on tanks are moving into place and right now that's in iran yeah that's for iran

and and i and i the more i look at it the more i'm i'm starting to agree with people who who think that the two-party system is just a distraction. Bill Hicks said it best. He said, I like, he goes, I like the puppet on the left. Well, the puppet on the right is more to my liking. Hey, wait a minute. One guy's holding both puppets.

And that's essentially the dog and pony show that we got going on. Gay rights. Exactly. Redistribution of wealth. Where are my taxes? What are you going to do? Give it to lazy welfare people? There's people that believe that welfare is in place

just simply to ensure that there's a certain amount of Democratic voters every year. They just continue the welfare so people continue to be on the dole, so people continue to support anybody who supports that. It's a mess. It's a fucking mess. So what gives you hope?

I always ask people that because psychedelics give me hope for real not joking it sounds ridiculous because people associate psychedelics with uh with non-realistic things with hallucinations they they they they don't look at it the way i look at it i think that there are certain plants here that have aided in the evolution of human consciousness. They have changed the way people look. They've changed the way I look at people. They've changed my relationship with human beings. The way I look at human beings has fundamentally changed by having psychedelic experiences and changed for the better. Made me a healthier, nicer person person made me more loving

made me more aware of the consequences of my own personal actions and i think that's one of the reasons why they're illegal and i think it's a really it's a shame that they've been derided to the point where it's it's a laughable topic you know if you say though well you know yeah rogan also thinks that mushrooms can cure mankind well guess, guess what? They could. If we all had really intense mushroom trips, first of all, people would come out of that with a complete reset. Come out with that, you would be healthy, but you would have a complete reset of the way you view eternity, the way you view this situation that we're in.

We're so caught up in our own little culture and our own little situation that we have constructed and that we're fighting against and trying to control these various aspects that we don't even think. We don't take the time to think about the incredible majesty of just life itself and how amazing it is and how incredible it is that you have friends and loved ones and how incredible it is that you can have sex and you could drink wine you could eat steak and you could go to a movie and you can drive a car we live in a fucking fantasy world and i think that if people had some newfound appreciation whether it's from a near-death experiences whether it's from psychedelics whether it's from meditation whatever it whether it's from meditation, whatever it is, I think people operate their lives primarily on momentum. They get up the same way they've always gotten up. They move in the same way they've moved to get there every day to work,

and they go through the same job every day. And that momentum is very, very difficult to break. And even if it's not a healthy momentum, whether it's beating off to your dick bleeds or gambling all your money away, we still get stuck in that momentum. I need a drink. You don't even know why you need a drink. You're stuck in some wacky momentum. You could call it being addicted to porn.

You could call it being addicted to the internet, but we're stuck in a wacky momentum. And the only thing in my experience that changes that is a complete reconstruction of how you view the world. And the only way to do that is to step away. You have to have some sort of a disconnect, some sort of an experience where you get an objective look at things for the first time. You look at things as if you were someone completely unattached to every single aspect of your life and the lives of all the people around with you but you get to see it like mapped out in front of you clearly and

cleanly with no ego with no financial repercussions with no just you get to really see what it is and that's not fucking possible for most people without some form of psychedelic experience and so when you do these because this this is, you saw my first reaction was to laugh and you know, everybody's is, and yeah, I know even I just, I've never really heard of it described this way. So tell me when you do the mushrooms, what does it do? What is it like in your mind? What are you experiencing that allows you to have a greater understanding of reality? Well, that's where it gets really tricky because some people don't experience that. They just experience terror and dancing mice and alligator people that want to eat your ass.

You'd have bad trips, too. It's not always rosy. Because I've never done any drugs like that because I've always had that fear of something fatal happening. Because I've always had that fear of something fatal happening. Well, McKenna felt, there's a guy named Terrence McKenna, who is one of my psychedelic heroes, and he's just a really brilliant, fascinating human being. And he had this crazy theory called the stoned ape theory. And it was his belief that, since psychedelic drugs,

unquestionably, have existed since the beginning of human civilization. There have been various sacraments, various things that people have taken during rituals. To the point where a guy named John Marco Allegro, who was one of the scholars that decoded the Dead Sea Scrolls. He wrote two books about the translations. One of them is called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. And his book, what his basic life's work was explaining was that the entire Christian religion was a massive misunderstanding. And what it was really all about was psychedelic mushroom rituals and fertility cults. And that this was how the original group of of of people like this they

they wrote down all these rituals in the form of parables in the form of stories and i mean it's you have to be some sort of a scholar in you know in aramaic and in ancient languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying to to to when you would disagree with it. But no question they had psychedelic mushrooms. There's no question. And there's no question that they thought that those psychedelic mushrooms were a direct connection to God. And that's probably what represented God to them and that they didn't want other people to know about it.

And so they hid those things. They hid those things in stories. And those stories didn't represent necessarily Santa Claus or various people that were Jesus. One of the things that he translated was he believed that the word Jesus, or the word Christ rather, meant a mushroom covered in God's semen. This is a Sumerian word, apparently, and he believed that they thought that when it rained that it was God having intercourse with the earth, and that these mushrooms would grow out of the ground overnight. And they didn't have microscopes, so they couldn't see the spores that turned into mushrooms.

So they thought that this was like gifts from God. Then they would take them and trip their fucking balls off. So if you really stop and think about that, if you lived in a time where there was no science and virtually no understanding of the world that we live in, and you found mushrooms and you ate them and just had this fucking mind blowing transcending experience. McKenna believed that was responsible for us evolving past lower hominids. He believed that the doubling of the human brain size over a period of 2 million years which is a huge mystery in the fossil record

they don't really understand why the human brain size doubled. And it was his theory that they doubled because they started taking psychedelic mushrooms. These monkeys came down off the trees. They started eating mushrooms every day. And in doing that it changed the culture of the animals. You're going to scare her away, Joe.

No, not at all. It's fascinating stuff. I don't have to tell you. You're going to scare her away, Joe. No, no, no, not at all. It's fascinating stuff, dude. I don't have to tell you. You've had many mushroom trips. But when you have them, it's such a powerful experience. If I'm going to rob a bank, I'm still going to rob a bank if I do mushrooms or not. If I'm going to rape somebody, I'm not going to chew on mushrooms and go,

you know what, I'm not going to rape this girl anymore. What? I don't think mushrooms fixes anything. I think if everyone did mushrooms in the whole world, it's not going to fix anyone girl anymore. What? I don't think mushrooms fixes anything. I think if everyone did mushrooms in the whole world, it's not going to fix anyone. You're ridiculous. First of all, you might be very different than a lot of people that have had transcending experiences.

Anyone in prison has done mushrooms, I bet. Brian, they might be fucked up to begin with, but you can't discount all the positive experiences and all the transcendent experiences that people have had because you haven't had them. Yeah, it lasts like two days. No, it lasts two days for you.

It lasts two days when you, when you take mushrooms. I don't think about a mushroom trip after two days. No, ever. Okay. Well, that's you,

Brian. I don't think anyway, you sit there and sit every day. You wake up and like thinking about how can you argue about it? It's so silly that you're even arguing about it. So what does it do to you when you take mushrooms? Like I, I know you guys say it's psychedelic. What do see what do you what are your well you know like profound

experiences if you what he's saying i think in saying that you think about it for two days is that for two days you sort of reconsider yourself and then you eventually go back into the pattern of your everyday life right is that what you're saying yeah it doesn't do anything permanent where it's like okay i'm going to always i'm going to be a better person okay but that is that is extremely subjective and it does to other people and it has to me so when you say that it doesn't i say okay maybe to you but for you to say that just because you haven't had a life-changing experience where they've pushed you into a different direction of understanding. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What I'm telling you is that it exists for me, and there's two of us, so it's 50% of

the people in this room that have done mushrooms that have had that experience. What I was getting at is that I don't think if you had everyone do, because you say this all the time about if everyone just did mushrooms, everything would fix itself. I don't think for most people, mushrooms has that big of an effect after a couple of days. Well, I think that's because of momentum. I think that's because of momentum and because of the fact that it's so easy to go back and to think about your life the way you used to think about it before you had that experience. Your ego will guide you right back to the patterns that you're comfortable in anyway unless you've chosen. Look, what makes a person decide, you know, I'm tired of being a fat fuck i am i am going to start eating

healthy and i'm going to drink water all day and i'm going to lose this fucking weight for some people it's bullshit they try it and then two days later they go back to eating again i mean brian you've you've been on several diets where you've lost a tremendous amount of weight and then you go back to your normal patterns of eating right i've been on one diet but yeah okay you've been i thought it was more than once but you you lost he lost an amazing amount of weight, and then you go back to your normal patterns of eating, right? I've been on one diet, but yeah. Okay, I thought it was more than once. But you lost an amazing amount of weight, like 80-something pounds. Oh, wow. But then, you know.

That was motivation because I got out of a relationship, an eight-year relationship. Right. See, you had a transcendent experience. You had something that made you change your life. And for some people, that mushroom trip, that reset, they might have more questions about life than you do they might have more questions about their own consciousness than you do and when they have those psychedelic experiences they're truly life-changing and it doesn't have to be just

for two days it can be for two days i've never starts you in a direction i guess i've never met anyone that did mushrooms and it changed their life forever ever okay you're silly because you know me yeah i wouldn't think that though a. Okay, you're silly because you know me. Yeah, I wouldn't think that, though. A lot of people do. That's weird. You know Greg Fitzsimmons when he was on the podcast? He was talking about how much I've changed since he met me.

Yeah, a lot of that is psychedelic experiences, man. Really? I mean, a lot of that is meditation. A lot of that is time in isolation. Kids. Did you say AIDS? Age. Yeah, that too.

That too. But you know what? By the way, that is all life experiences. And psychedelic experiences are part of life experiences. They're unbelievably introspective. They force you to examine your life in really almost an alien way. And again, not for everybody. Different people go into them with different baggage.

You know, different people, some people try to fight the experience and go crazy. There are certain aspects to a psychedelic experience where you cannot control it. You don't have any control over it. But what it does do for sure is humbles people. And what it does do for sure is it squashes your ego. And maybe Brian doesn't have ego problems. Maybe that's why it doesn't change him that much. But for for some people it's incredibly humbling it's just really cool like you get some cool movies and put it on it's really neat but i think that's about the height of it

well i totally disagree see and there's 50 of us here so it's like look everybody's different some people eat peanuts and it fucking kills them i'm'm weighing with, okay, do I try it or do I not? If you wanted to do something, what I would recommend is going to Peru and doing an ayahuasca retreat. Do one of those. I scuba dive. Yeah, that'll do something. Yeah, Jerry Garcia said he wouldn't need hallucinogenics if he was able to scuba dive every day. Because to me, that's when you're seeing all the coral formations and these crazy fish and sharks coming at you that to me is another world experience that's easy to say for

jerry garcia after he did acid a billion times at a certain point in time are you even sober after that i mean do you ever get sober or who allowed him to scuba dive i wouldn't want to be his scuba buddy he's fucking just gonna die any second on you that guy's held together by tissue paper yeah how old was he when he was scuba diving I think it was I think it was later in his life but not not too late but uh but that's just a well-known phrase within scuba diving that that he would always say that especially when he was able to go down like in places like Hawaii where you have turtles and and that's like tripping when you see a turtle swimming right next to you and you're swimming and you're at the same pace and it's

this huge huge sea turtle what about sharks you ever see sharks yeah i love love love seeing sharks really uh because they're so rare it's very rare to it's like saying you you go hiking out in california you'll see a bear it's It's almost the odds are slim to none. So when I get to see a shark, I get excited about it. One time we were scuba diving below the oil spill on CNN. This was really cool that they let us do this. And it was an area where there weren't a lot of bait fish because they'd been killed by the oil. So we're down underneath the water.

It was me and Philippe Cousteau. Jacques Cousteau invented scuba diving. It was his grandson. Jacques Cousteau invented scuba diving? Yeah, he helped really. Did you know that? Yes. Okay.

Sorry. Thanks a lot, guys. I knew he had that show, but I didn't know he invented it. Wow. Are you being serious? Yeah, I didn't know he invented it. Wow. Are you being serious? Yeah, I didn't know he invented it. Oh, I thought you were... No, I really didn't know that one guy invented scuba diving.

Well, he helped... I mean, but who knows if we can trust what was written. He helped innovate it. I'd say he was really the guy who brought it to the mainstream. And so we were there live on TV scuba diving, and all of a sudden there were sharks swimming behind us on air, and a lot of viewers thought we were going to get eaten and um and and so i was really paying attention to we were wearing hazmat suits

and i was paying attention to not drowning because my suit had flooded and there was we're in oily water and so i barely noticed the sharks but i went back and watched the video and and there are a lot of them that just keep swimming right past us and And I later find out that my asshole South African photographer was throwing lunch meat off the boat that was attracting all these sharks to come toward us. I know. What? Yeah, he was throwing, we had Walmart sandwiches,

and he was throwing the salami and the bologna that he didn't like off the boat, and it attracted one shark, and he thought it was funny to bring all these other sharks on board. What a douchebag. But it's cool to see them underwater they're fascinating creatures the way they swim and and also um just to see something that massive that could potentially harm you it's kind of a adrenaline rush you know yeah for sure actually uh Actually, it doesn't seem like they invented it. It seems like Jacques Cousteau sort of made it popular, but it seems like the first inventions of it were in the 1700s. 1771, a British engineer named John Smeaton invented the air pump, and a hose was connected between the air pump and a a diving barrel allowing air to be pumped to the diver so in 1700 they invented it people are so crafty i know isn't that amazing

and it's pretty fascinating to be underwater and be able to breathe and yeah uh it it's one of the most incredible feelings i i highly recommend scuba diving so So claustrophobic? No. Well, I'm not a claustrophobic person, so it doesn't affect me in that way, but I could see how some people would affect them because you have all this gear on and you're relying on this claustrophobic thing over your mouth to be able to breathe.

Yeah, it seems like if something goes bad, it goes bad fast. You know, like if you see a shark or something like that, you just start panicking. That's you, dude. She's got it together dude she's in bahrain getting machine guns put in her head she can handle sharks i have an abnormal sense of fear i know i don't my whole life i i just don't have that thing in my brain that tells me wait stop what you're doing really yeah it's it's strange, it's strange. I, I just, it doesn't, if I do have it,

it's very, very minimal. Have you ever thought that maybe you have like a destiny and that the reason why you have this bizarre, abnormal sense of fear where you don't react to it is because this is your path. Maybe you're like a historical figure someday. Yeah.

Someday. What are you going to do? They're going to be talking about you. It's going to be super important. And you're just like this crazy broad who just, uh, didn't have this fear of sharks, you know, like machine guns, no big deal. Let me get back in there. I'm trying to get a visa. I'm trying to get back to your country where you tried to shoot me. You know? I mean, that's a, that's a very, uh, weird possibility. Have you ever thought about that? Like your, your place in this whole thing, that's a very weird possibility. Have you ever thought about that? Like your place in this whole thing?

There's something that you said in the Alex Jones documentary, or interview rather, that I thought was really fascinating. You said that CNN is on the wrong side of history. And by doing what you're doing, you're clearly on the right side of history. You're clearly the, I mean, that's what you're doing, you're clearly on the right side of history. You're clearly the, I mean, that's what you're supposed to do. When you see corruption, you're supposed to talk about it. When you see problems, you're supposed to expose them.

You're on the right side of history. Do you think about that? Yeah, I always, when I come out with things full force, it's only when I 100% know the truth. Because no matter what, if you follow the truth, I always say it doesn't have a shelf life Whatever the corruption is going to get exposed and And I think that I think you know, I really do I believe my my lack of sense of fear also

It enabled me to do that because I I don't have that thing over my shoulder telling me Okay. Well, what if someone comes after you for going after Time Warner? Or what if you don't have a job or money? I've lived out of my car. I don't have those fears. So that enabled me to come forward and talk about this and bring this into the public light without having fear. Wow.

Where do you see this, uh, this all going for you? Do you, do you, you know, do you have like a, a 10 year map out where you sort of projected what, what you're going to be doing? Are you just sort of living in the moment and trying to react to the world changing around you? I am, uh, trying to use everything in my power to enlighten Americans and let them know what's happening. I don't know yet where I'm going to be 10 years from now. Hopefully safe and sound and working for a journalistic outlet that allows people to do real journalism again. Whether I have to create that or whether someone else will, I don't know. Do you think that your bold choices will inspire other people that are in your same position,

that were in your same position, like in places like CNN and Fox News, to do the same and to expose things? I hope so. Or do you think it's really hard to do? It's hard to do because no matter what, you're going to face criticism. And then when you look at it journalistically, how much power these networks have and how few companies own everything, people don't want to tick them off and people don't want to lose their health insurance and they don't want to lose their severance and they don't want to lose money.

And it's easier just to go along every day and pretend nothing's happening and continue to just have that imagination that you're just a cog in the machine and you're not really the problem. Well, every single person that's enabling this to happen is the problem. And that's what I said. I feel like these journalists are going to go down on the wrong side of history and they're just as guilty as the corporations they work for because they know this is going on and they're not saying anything not only are they not saying anything they're continuing to go into work every day and and feed lies to the american public do you remember when they used to have all those movies about the mccarthy era and uh you know that one

movie with uh robert de niro i forget what it was but just showed the suppressive nature of you know the government back then and this massive witch hunt. It's so similar to what's going on today. It's so weird how things go in these cycles, these incredibly bizarre cycles. And now the witch hunt is terrorist, the word terrorist. Yeah, well, when that witch hunt becomes a guy like julian assange when it when it turns you know the word terrorism turns to a guy like julian assange it really makes you go what is your definition like what are you what are you doing like this guy that guy has never

killed anybody okay he didn't kill anybody and he didn't lie so what did he do what did he do that's so terrible that's a? He was a terrorist on corruption. Corruption is fucking terrified of him. And I'm sure there's people that would consider me a terrorist because if I know that they're corrupt, I'm going to fucking expose them. Enemy of the state. Exactly. Exactly. And so maybe in some people's eyes, I'm a terrorist.

But that means then I can be taken down by the NDAA. And that's what's so scary about it. They're cheating. They're doing the wrong thing. It's not the way you're supposed to run things. You fuckheads. You know you're not supposed to run things like that. You're cheating.

Instead of doing it correctly, you've decided to take away all dissent. And slowly remove the rights of the people that are showing dissent that's some un-american bullshit it can only happen if people let it happen yeah do you think it's ever possible to make a new country like the way we did america where everybody hopped up from europe and like fuck this let's it was only a couple hundred years ago is there a spot maybe if global warming kicks in we could take over green Greenland. Or Iceland, rather. Or Antarctica. Right? Well, Iceland is a real country.

We have a rover there now. We could maybe recolonize Mars. That makes sense. Or what about some type of open-source government on the internet? Well, what about those people that want to build cities in the middle of the ocean and international waters, those floating city ideas? Have you seen that? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that that's the future some fucking water world type shit or we could just yeah we could just put on tanks that allow us to scuba dive forever and just all descend into the oceans i'd prefer to uh for that to be my fate i gotta tell you joe wasn't

there some recent uh there's something where they allowed uh some sort of an injection they allowed people to uh not have to breathe for certain periods of time some some new invention actually yeah yeah yeah some uh scientists i don't know how i should google this scientists uh swim without oxygen abyss was that the movie Abyss? That they pumped something in the... Remember that shit? That movie was ahead of its time, man. Yeah, I don't know. There's some new discovery. I'm not googling it. Aqua Fox Magic?

No, there was... There really was something. Scientists suffered a way to keep people alive even when they can't breathe. Yeah. Yeah, okay. They inject oxygen into the blood. They discovered a new way of administering oxygen to the blood, which could allow people to stay alive without breathing.

Amazing breakthrough could change medical science by eliminating the need to keep patients breathing during complex operations. Okay, so the idea was this is for operations, but it could also be used somehow or another. You could connect people, some sort of a fucking thing, intravenously, and they don't have to breathe. Whoa. And where is this taking place? Where's this research? That's a good question.

Maybe I shouldn't say. Or they'll close down on them. Look what I got on my door today, Joe. I got a free Scientology test on my door. And I just have to fill out this 10-page thing and send it in. And they can tell me if I'm Scientology ready. It says, are you curious about you? Yeah.

And then the questions are like, do you often make thoughtless remarks or accusations which you later regret yes or no you definitely there's just tons of questions like ridiculous questions you should say yes that's my whole career on podcasts do you spend much time on needless worries do you no not really needless not Not needless. His worries are legit. He's worried about the feds coming in here and shutting down his show. Well, we should be worried about it. The Islam. Well, that's another thing that's been widely misreported in the news is this attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya

that they attributed to this fucking shitty movie that this guy made. And apparently that's not true at all. That attack, rather, had been planned for a long time before that this guy made and uh apparently that's not true at all and then that that movie that attack rather had been planned for a long time before that and purposely took place on the anniversary of september 11th and uh that for some reason or another they decided to blame it on people reacting to this movie so sort of give people an irrational idea of how Muslims would respond to any sort of mocking of their faith and to get us even more angry at the idea of Muslims and more excited about the idea of stopping this Muslim threat, this Islamic threat that the world sees.

And Iran is a part of that. Exactly. And why didn't the government come out when they knew it wasn't exactly directly a result of that video? Why didn't they come out and talk about that right away? Well, they don't ever. It's like the Pat Tillman story or the Jessica Lynch story. When they get caught bullshitting, they never make an, okay, we were bullshitting.

They never do that. They never do that. So that's a journalist's job to come forward and say that this wasn't really a result of that movie. And you forward and say that that this wasn't really a result of that movie and you didn't see that on on the networks they didn't do that instead they just continued to fill the public with this crap propaganda so what are you doing now as far as like broadcasting where where can people read your latest stuff who are you working for these days like how are you rocking it what are you you doing? I'm working on a book.

I felt like the protests were undercovered. So the first thing I did was I do photography. It's one of my loves and passions. So I've been traveling to all these protests. That's why I was shot in Anaheim. And taking photos of protests here in the U.S. And really showing people this is happening. And not only that, people are winning.

There are people, man, these people down in Texas that are fighting the tar sands pipeline, they're crazy. These old farmers are putting devices on to attach themselves, physically attach themselves to equipment that law enforcement has to saw off in order to get them away. Really? And they're burying themselves in the ground. Yeah. I mean, they are fighting back.

What is this? You don't even know about it. I don't even know about it. Because it's not being covered because they're winning. And they're actually stopping this pipeline from going in, or at least stopping the construction periodically. Where is it, and what is it about? Down in Texas, they're building a tar sands pipeline through some communities, through some wineries,

some farms, and the community is very upset. And they've really done what's called direct action protesting, which you can assume what that means. That's direct action. I mean, they're getting in there and preventing this construction from taking place. They're also building houses, trees. They're taking over trees and forests and building tree houses and having professional climbers come in to keep the... I know, you don't know. It's fascinating, the art of protest. How many people are involved in this? I would say there are thousands. I mean, it's going on all across the state.

And so I'm covering not only that, I'm covering women's right to go topless events. There is a big event. Who is fighting that? Who the fuck is fighting that, Brian? Not me. Yeah, I mean, there's some cities. As a woman, man, you go out there topless, and you'll get cuffed for disturbing people.

In Columbus, Ohio, it was legal to go outside topless, but it was illegal to go inside a strip club and be topless. What? Which makes no sense at all. That's hilarious. So strip clubs have to have bikinis? They have to have pasties. Oh, that's hilarious. But you clubs have to have bikinis? You have to have pasties. Oh, that's hilarious. But you could be topless outside.

Yeah, you could just walk outside. And some guys have moobs, or man boobs, that are bigger than the women. And way more disgusting to look at, too. Better areolas. Who the fuck is stopping women from going topless? What kind of a weak-ass culture do we have here? So they're winning.

These women are winning. We always see Occupy, it's so here? So they're winning. These women are winning. Like, we always see, oh, Occupy is so stupid, and they're not getting any change done, and they're not winning. Actually, they are winning, and there's a lot of cases where they have won, and that's what this book's covering, and that's what also is going to piss a lot of people off. Are you worried about it? That I'm coming out with this.

Pissing people off? You worried about, like, they're saying, all right, now this chick is really a problem? With NDAA? Yeah. Yeah, I am. about like they're like saying all right now this chick is really a problem um with ndaa yeah yeah i am um but uh i think a lot like i said a lot of investigative journalists are but it will it stop me hell no it just makes me put in now i'm putting now i put up that fuck ndaa poster and i'm putting that one in the book you know do you know anybody that's been put on like no fly lists or any of those things yeah we. We had even a CNN journalist.

You think, oh, they don't mess with the mainstream media. A journalist, a colleague of mine, investigated the TSA and was put on a no-fly list. Wow. Yeah, for quite some time to try to intimidate him. So if you investigate the TSA, they can put you on a list that says you can't fly? Yeah, they do that to critical politicians, and they've done it to journalists. And they did this to a CNN journalist.

Wow. Yeah, and as a reporter, especially at CNN, you need to travel. That's your job. You're traveling all the time. So it really affected him. So what happens when you go to the airport? They say you can't fly?

That's it? You have no recourse? I've never been on on the list but but i know he wasn't able to travel uh within the country so yeah until you're fucking crazy so he has to go greyhound bus everywhere yeah or drive or what they do is they say they're investigating it and maybe they drag on that investigation for months before they take your name off that list i haven't been put on that list yet. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, I mean, it's just Big Brother trying to intimidate dissent, and not only that, intimidate politicians who would be against their behavior as well as journalists.

I don't think they've messed with me because I know I would raise so much hell about it. Or maybe I haven't investigated the TSA yet. That's probably why. Wow. What a weird, weird world we live in. Yeah. I mean, could you imagine going to the airport, you're going to visit grandma or maybe it's an emergency, a funeral or something and you're told you can't fly.

For what? Because you're a journalist and you actually are exposing corruption in the government, which is our job. Or you're Joe Rogan and you got the Joe rogan experience and you spoke out against the tsa have you ever been on a list he's already getting to get us in trouble he has too many people in here that are on the government list so we're gonna get the list by association i

think but we're not doing anything we're just talking dude yeah but we're giving the lion has to worry we're taking the easy route we're're giving them eyes. Is that what it is? We're giving them the voice. You know what I mean? So it's a problem? Should we stop? No, it's a part of it. So we're probably on the list.

But we're not on the list because we could still fly. Sure. We're not on that list. We're on the webcam looking at us masturbating. Yeah, they like us. You know, that's the problem. I've gotten the masturbation videos. Just so you know, put a post-it over here. Nah, they can watch. Go ahead, bitch. You want to watch? I've gotten I've gotten Yeah the masturbation videos I make weird faces

Just so you know Put a post-it over Nah Put a post-it over Go ahead bitch You wanna watch Yeah but what's worse Is that they're gonna

Go ahead Hear us You know That's even worse Not being able to see us And just hearing us go Ugh Okay so what if

Someone came to you And said they hacked Into your computer And they had video Of you masturbating Just put it online Yeah put it online Go ahead

Okay so you guys So they can't mess with you I'm kidding I'm kidding Please don't put it online. Yeah, put it online. Go ahead. Okay, so you guys are, so they can't mess with you. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Please don't put it online. No. It would suck, but I wouldn't be like,

oh, here's a million dollars or anything like that. But what if they said, okay, you need to not have that guest on your show. No. Or I'm going to leak this video. I guess you're going to have

to have a video of me being beaten off because it's ridiculous. It's not that big a deal. You know? It's like if you really want to have that video and put it out there,

first of all, everyone's going to know that you can do that and it's going to be massive outrage that you turn on someone for whatever reason. You've been videotaping them beating off the whole time. That's some un-American bullshit right there. That's ridiculous. It depends if there's any ass play. But there always is, Brian.

So why are you playing games yeah you're gonna you're gonna come to me with a cold sweat we can't have this guy on david seaman man really we're gonna do a david seaman podcast again fuck that let's get joey diaz on yeah all of a sudden if he starts saying that then you'll know someone's got a video he'll be sweating and shit like why you're so sweaty man this would be the secret word so you know what i'm doing They'll be sweating and shit. Like, why are you so sweaty, man? What's going on? This will be the secret word so you know what I'm doing. That's not a word.

It's stuck on my finger. That is not a word, you fucking weirdo. God damn, son. Five minutes. You know, I was thinking of your show, and I was thinking on my way here of how I think that your show will go down in history as a show that told the truth and actually had, go down in history as a show that told the truth and actually had, was a strange rise out of the mix into something that, you know, is really becoming one of the leading voices of truth when it comes to podcasts and other content. And you guys are really starting to fill that vacuum

that has been created by the mainstream media. Well, it's just weird to me that there's not something like this in the mainstream media. It's like I look at things that are fascinating to me, and the world is filled with them. And some of them involve corruption, and the other ones involve Bigfoot and crop circles and UFOs and aliens. I'm interested in a lot of different things, but you,

you don't see a lot of discussion on these things, whether it's a odd, crazy things like Bigfoot or UFOs, or you, you don't see much real legitimate discussion about psychedelics. You don't see much real legitimate discussion about the, the possible repercussions of the way society is progressing and what is a solution to really change the whole

thing. You don't see much legitimate discussion about that. And I've always found that weird. I don't know why that exists when that's always what I would get together with my friends and talk about. When me and my friends would be alone at a restaurant somewhere and someone would talk about something or Eddie Bravo would bring up some video he saw or Brian would talk about something that was on the internet and we would all sit around and talk about it, I never understood why there was no show that had these points of view.

There was no show that was like, what is going on here? Where everybody seems to be pretending that everything's fine and everybody seems to be pretending that everything's fine. And everybody seems to be pretending that everything is going along, you know, a manageable course and we're going to be fine. And I don't, I don't see that. I see madness. I see chaos. I see people that have way more power than they have knowledge and enlightenment. They have this weird sort of situation where I don't understand exactly who's running the show. And I don't think anybody does. And then there's this dog and pony presidential debate

and eventual election, which if anything changes at all, it'll be social issues. You know, that's all that ever really changes. Gay marriage is the beach ball that gets tossed back and forth. And maybe medical marijuana is going to be the issues. That's all that ever really changes. Gay marriage is the beach ball that gets tossed back and forth and maybe medical marijuana is going to be the next one. But Obama's already lied about that. They lied about whether or not

they were going to use the DEA to go after medical marijuana dispensaries. He's been doing that like crazy lately. It's a weird thing when you realize that it doesn't matter who wins. It's a weird thing. Isn't it? It's just such a strange enlightenment to wake up and think. It's terrifying. Yeah. It doesn't matter who wins. It's a weird thing. Isn't it? It's just such a strange enlightenment to wake up and think.

It's terrifying. Yeah. It doesn't matter. I've recently had that. Are you going to vote? Me? Just historically speaking, I don't vote because I don't want a dog in the race. And I know I get criticized for this all the time.

But I know if I do go in and take the time to vote for someone, I'm going to be secretly rooting for them. And that's the problem we're having now, I think, with people not criticizing Obama enough, journalists, because journalists tend to be more liberal, and they're scared to criticize him for NDAA. And that's why we're not seeing these vital issues covered. So I feel like, as journalists, I feel like we shouldn't vote. We should not have a dog in the race. should be able to stand back regardless of party and and just look for the truth and really criticize go after everyone i mean that's our job is fuck yeah i say it's everyone off that's our excuse now brian no voting yeah that's i don't vote yeah well it keeps you out of jury duty yeah keeps you up that nonsense too no i encourage everyone to vote and be active but i as a

journalist i encourage everybody to take mushrooms and be active that way. Or mushroom, I mean whatever way you want to. Brian doesn't agree with me I encourage ass play I encourage everybody to follow Amber Lyon on Twitter Amber L-Y-O-N Thank you very much for just being awesome

What you've done is very courageous and it's very rare. You've taken a very unique path, and I think you're on the right side of history. Thanks, Joe. That means a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in to this fabulous podcast. We're not going anywhere, you dirty bitches.

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