The Joe Rogan Experience - #287 - Les Stroud

Episode Date: November 20, 2012

Joe sits down with Les Stroud.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! May I begin before we even do this podcast? May I just say that you are a bad motherfucker. Yeah, you can say that. You are a bad motherfucker. There are very few people in life where I've watched them on TV

and I've watched them do stuff and I just went, fuck that. Fuck that. Like, you on that fucking show, you went through some of the realest moments ever in television. Literally survival. Not that fucking English dude who sleeps in hotels that jacked your idea. But the real shit, man. There's so many times I watch your show with just my mouth open. Just thinking about what the fuck must have been going through your head,

surviving in the mountains. The whole thing had to come from that. When I first offered it it up called a network you know they were a little shocked i said no i'll actually do it they kept thinking you know because no they're used to like production companies or somebody calling saying you know we'll set up a camera and we got these guys going in and i said no i'm going to actually survive and that's what that's what to set it off nobody done anything like that before then dude that one when you went to africa and a hot air balloon

yeah i've watched that thing like five times and caught a curdling like hugging myself while i was watching it like what the he's got a a hot air balloon and there's lions out there yeah that's you know the i don't know if this made it on the show or not but uh later on in the show uh when i'm in the remember that i was in the thorn bush shelter made a shelter out of thorns or whatever so that night I mean I listened to a kill go down about a hundred yards from me

and that was that's the most freaked out I've ever been you know you hear it going down you hear the screams and in the end I think it was a

jaguar taking down a baboon because they all hunt there and the baboons go nuts and that was like real close that was probably one of the most nervous I've ever

been holy shit yeah a jaguar and a baboon and there's no fence between you and it there's no wall this is your you're in their environment yeah god damn that's crazy oh that is so terrifying man you know it's not it is but it isn't. I mean. It is, but it isn't. Well, it's like, you know, we were talking about fighting earlier. I mean, going in, that could be terrifying.

Going in up against an opponent that you know is a tough ass. Yeah, but there's a referee. And also, if you're a fighter, well, you're geared for that, right? Well, in my world, you know, I spent a lot of years out there. So for me, you know, I remember I was out with my my sister one time and she looked into the forest and she said well that that's really really intimidating to me and I remember thinking all I want to do is go right inside there it was a real dark for the monster so I'm I'm just really really comfortable out there it's it's not that the other shit doesn't happen it happens and it's not that not that the danger isn't real.

It's real. But I'm just really comfortable whenever I'm in the bush. I'm really, really comfortable. And so the reality of the danger settles with me. It settles on me and it's okay. I just know what to do.

How much of a hindrance is it that while you're doing all this, you're also setting up cameras and turning them on and doing all your shit? You're filming it from several different angles? Well, that was, you know, that's the artist in me, right? I mean, and the passion of a filmmaker.

I'd get out, and really, I want to tell a story, right? I mean, if I'm there and I'm surviving, that's one thing. Okay, that's cool. Now I want to tell a story. In the very beginning, I remember some guys would say oh you know have the camera be shaky like it's like a you know just a home video and I said

why would I do that I'm a good filmmaker I'm not going to make my film look worse because you know because you know I'm not you know putting out movies

I'm not Steven Spielberg I'm going to make it look as good as I can and so the passion of filming comes in really strong when I work it when I'm out there surviving

because let's say I got to walk down through a valley so I'll stop and look and go well I got to walk through this valley so I got to tell the story of walking through the valley

and I've got four or five cameras well how am I going to do that well there's a cliff up there I could probably reach so I'll go put a camera up there and I could way off in the distance and I'll have one on my body

and all of that is about trying to be a passionate filmmaker and I just weigh off in the distance, and I'll have one on my body. And all of that is about trying to be a passionate filmmaker. And I just won an award recently, and it was to do with the filmmaking. I was really proud because it speaks to the fact that it was, and I wasn't just a guy going out sleeping on a shelter and doing a fireball. I'm a filmmaker.

I'm out making a film, but like nobody else, I'm actually really doing what I'm making, so I'm not setting up nonsense. Yeah, you were creative in all the aspects of it, the editing of it, and you would be honest about, like, we've got to walk over here to get this shot, and honestly, I don't really want to go back.

I want to leave the camera and have the crew pick it up. Well, that was the other thing, too, was just being honest with all of it, right? If I'm going to do a show like that, I can't tell you how often you'd have discussions saying, well, why don't you just say like this happened? Right. And it's like, no.

I remember one time in an argument, I said, look, I'm in the middle of the Amazon jungle, and I've got no food and just whatever water is flowing, and I'm alone for seven days in the middle of the Amazon jungle. And I'm saying this to like executives. if you don't think that's dramatic enough, then get another boy. Because in my world, that's pretty freaking dramatic and it will be dramatic and I don't need to embellish it. So I always wanted to tell the truth with what was going on out there, you know?

That's a real issue with reality shows. It's like, it's, there's dirty little lies going on left and right. They're creating fake scenarios. I'll have no problem going on record saying all the time that, in my opinion, reality shows suck. I don't know why they're on air. I mean, I do know why they're on air, because they sell. But what gets me is, what I don't get is,

how many millions of North Americans and people in the world watch them and think it's actually happening. Oh, did you see? It's like, no, now they're even scripted, badly scripted. I don't think, I agree with you and I don't agree with you. I don't think they suck. I think it's a new art form. Creating this entertaining show out of losers or weirdos.

It's creativity Doritos. It's different. You know, I mean, there's so many, like when Mark Burnett started it, right? If it wasn't for Mark Burnett, I wouldn't be on air as well because he started with Survivor Series. And then I started getting these phone calls

because I was a filmmaker, survival guy. And that's when I realized I could pitch my idea. And I said, I'll do it for real. So Burnett started it. And you know what? In my opinion, the man's a genius. And the stuff he does, he's totally a genius. But those shows are riddled with lies.

Right. And lies that, you know, are meant to, the public is meant to swallow. Yeah. So if the shit was really going down, that's one thing. But when you've got, I remember somebody, like I remember this thing one time, it gets really bad when you know you've got to wait for the commercials to see some good acting that's what's happening with reality shows there's definitely some of that too i think it's an emerging art form i really think see i don't mind the competition shows i got a guilty pleasure for

like trading spouses and stuff like that the competition ones are cool i like that but what i know though about i've met a lot of people that do them and do behind-the-scenes stuff, and they're laughing at everything along the way as they do it a lot of times. There's this weird thing where we're willing to watch a person with... There's no reason to watch them.

But once we watch them for a little bit, we get locked in. We just, for whatever reason, decide to keep following this person around on TV I don't know man I've tried to watch you know I shouldn't name names cuz it's probably my own network and stuff but some shows like you know and they do like the Pawn Stars and the right I try to watch that because I don't watch TV right so I'll watch when I'm in a hotel room somewhere. It's like, okay, I'm in a hotel room. All my breath time to put on

and I'll put on the networks, right? And I'll walk through the reality networks and I try to watch some of them. I can't do it, man. I'm alone in my hotel room actually saying out loud, you're fucking kidding me. No.

In my mind, I'm rolling. I was like, people are watching this and somebody's watching this going they're gasping and it's like really right and and so i i struggle with it you know plus i get called a reality show too survivor man got called a reality show and it wasn't really a reality show it was oh my god i disagree completely i think it's a reality show in the realest sense of the word it's what the new reality shows are not reality shows. They should call it like scripted drama. They should just call it, yeah.

Hybrid, you know. Or really bad actors who we don't have to pay much, but we'll say anything we say, TV shows. Yeah, it's like loosely scripted scenarios. I mean, even the whole, I mean, look, they didn't script it, but they just edit what people say. You can get a script out of it.

You can figure out how to edit it together to make some stupid story or force them to go get pizza at five different places and film them when they don't have the right, and they start getting mad. It's really dumb, but for whatever reason, that infuriating feeling that you get when you watch it is almost addictive. That's a good way of putting it, an infuriating feeling that you get when you watch it is almost addictive. That's a good way of putting it, an infuriating feeling.

Yeah. You might have a point. A new art form. I probably don't. I don't know. A new art form. The thing is, because I came from documentary. I'm thinking that I'm a documentarian.

I document survival. It just so happens I really go out and survive it, right? Right. But I get lumped in with reality shows. One of the problems I had, and I had it

like in Shark Week and I have it with different shows and stuff I've been on is if you're going to try and do comedy then get a comedy writer. That's what I think.

Right. Because there's a lot of documentary and reality TV producers that are like, you know, 26 years old and all hopped up

because they got a job and they're working on the new show and they're trying to be funny. And to me, I'm at home going, this is like worse than bad student art films. I'd rather go see a student art film than a producer who finally got a job for a company who gets to produce this segment.

And you know what? They're sitting around going, you know what would be cool if? And it's like high school comedy at that point and high school boys in a locker room sort of thing

and that's why I can't do it so I sit there in the hotel room and I'm trying to watch Pawn Stars I'm trying to watch the Chopper dudes

and you know but do you ever see My Secret Addiction? No. So I don't know what show it was. What is it is well no no hoarders who you've seen hoarders sure okay so i'm watching hoarders and i gotta say i'm watching hoarders and i know a couple people like that too but i was watching hoarders and i thought okay this is really kind

of sick and then they're going to clean it up and i'm coming i'm kind of an anally retentive organized guy like my places i'm really organized and shit. So I'm watching hoarders going, I could clean that place up. And I'm watching it. And that was all cool. And in one episode, I watched, and this is what really pissed me off. This is what threw it for me, was the mother was the hoarder. And then they were interviewing the sons. And it was clear that most of the people in the family were intellectually disabled so that was

the moment when I went fuck whoa like okay if I'd had the producer go to fuck are you doing you you I get when you do you taking people who are semi normal but they're kind of screwed up and neurotic and you're doing okay I get all that but you've got people on there right now, and they're intellectually disabled. That's very clear. You can tell they're not messed up and neurotic or psychotic. They're intellectually disabled, and you're running them through the hoarder TV. And that was the day I just about threw the TV out the window, pulled a rock and roll movie.

Yeah, I certainly see your point there. The way I was looking at it is like the Keeping Up with the Kardashians type of thing. Family Jewels, Ozzy Osbourne. I feel like it's no different than a soap opera. Soap operas are silly. And this is silly too, but it's silly with real people. Don't you think that's something that a lot of those people need though in their life? They need that big of a slap in the face?

Because once you're on TV and everyone in your neighborhood knows about it, you're now obsessed with that. You know what mean like it's big you're being brought to light yeah so i think that's maybe some of these people who needs it like the people who are on or the people are watching the people that are on it they they've gotten their life has gotten to that point where they actually need everyone in america to know that they fucking suck and that they're a hoarder maybe yeah i don't know i mean with the reality shows there're a hoarder, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, with the reality shows, there's a lot of, there's a lot of,

you can see the whole, it's a culture celebrity, right? I always get messed up with a culture celebrity when I get to LA because it's just weird. Yeah, it's weird. It's just kind of weird, you know?

And so now you've got, it's one thing if you've got, you know, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp and Scarlett Johansson and the culture celebrity, they're kind of like groomed for it and they're like superheroes and that sort of thing

and they do it. But then you got, you know, regular people are just messed up and they're instantly thrust into The Cultural Celebrity. It just gets weird. It just gets creepy. You know,

because you know how they always do the outtakes when the camera cuts to and now they're bitching about their sister or somebody like that. Right. And you can see them trying to project in that amateur way. Well, I just thought, way well i just thought you know

no uh you know do one of those things you ain't going to mess with my bedroom you know and it's like really am i watching this it's it's very apocalyptic it's yeah well we're coming close how much longer i don't know so 21st yeah well that's that no who's ever called a day right on anything has there ever been a time ever where who's ever called a day right on anything? Has there ever been a time ever where anybody's ever said that this is going to be the day that some shit goes down? Then it really was. No. No, never, ever.

Never, ever. But the Mayans. They were wrong. The Mayans didn't even predict their own demise. They just ran out of... It's like they ran out of rock. It was. And not only that,

the most recent calendars that they've found actually go past December 2012. It was just the end of this particular cycle that they call the long count. I don't know exactly what it's supposed to mean to them, but nowhere does it imply that it means an apocalypse or doomsday scenario. But there is prophecies that what it can represent or possibly represent is a shift in consciousness. And that that is the big sort of, you know, apocalyptic.

That's the big shift here. Yeah, that's a weird word. In a metaphysical kind of way. Consciousness is a weird word. When people think about a shift in consciousness, like, what does that mean? It could be a technology that allows our consciousness

to be elevated. It could be, you know, that we have access to, you know, some new medical innovation that changes the way the mind works. I mean, that's a distinct possibility as well. It's, I mean, you can feel it now, though. We call it the age of information, right? Yeah. You know, it's almost, you could almost mess with it, call it the age of enlightenment, because, you know, we're just, we're getting in tune with a lot of things.

The whole, I mean, you know, a big thing in my life and a big thing in doing Survivorman and Beyond Survival, Beyond Survival was really big for me on this, was the energy of connecting to the earth and feeling like I was connected again to the planet and the earth and the natural world. Right. And, you know, thanks to the ceremonies and things I did when I filmed beyond survival it kind of

brought me back you know because with survivor man I kind of lost that touch you know and and we are speaking a little it's a little metaphysically it's that's whole sort of thing but there's something to really the power energy power of energy feeling it you feel it from one person to another you feel it from one person to another. You feel it from one inanimate object to another. You feel it from the earth. And so a big thing for me is, you know, with all I've done is trying to get people to connect with the planet again.

You know, kick your shoes off, walk bare feet, get some dirt under your fingernails. Yeah, they say that it's actually healthy for your body to sleep in grass. And if you sleep in grass, it's actually like physically beneficial. And your body has a positive feeling from it and you wake up feeling great it's got you know if you get jet lag one of the cures is to kick your shoes off go walk up barefoot on your lawn really and it just knocks jet lag out of your system you know pretty i've actually i finally tried it one time and i don't

know i felt great after so i have no idea if it's coincidence or not but but that's what they say if you want to regroup after jet lag which i get a lot because they're always flying just walk barefoot grass is so hot right now grass fed grass eating it well our relationship to plants a relationship to plants i think is uh you have to consider the fact first of all that if it wasn't for plants they wouldn't be processing the oxygen you know they're they're they're like clean the air they eat carbon dioxide they put out oxygen right well just think of it this way we breathe out the plants breathe in plants breathe out we breathe in think of that yeah i mean that's that's crazy pretty connected it doesn't get any more connected

than that and i feel like there's got to be something to touch in it there's got to be something to just to actually touching like grass and live live plants and organisms like a rainforest like the feeling from a rainforest like there's there's got to be something to touching all that stuff what a whole you know the whole thing when you hear about you know oh i go out to the wilderness and i and i get filled yeah and that's what i feel every time i get out there's really there's a reason why it's said that way because you i come here you know i go out in the city and and uh it's like everything's being sucked out of you and then when you go out into the wilderness and you you just breathe it in you are taking you're taking really good shit and you're taking really good energy and i think and i think we also, we wonder how much stuff is coming

at us all the time. Whether it's radio signals or cellular signals, Wi-Fi, and there's pollution. There's all this stuff around us. Noise pollution. And all that stuff is just forcing you to react to it. It's always

coming at you. When you're out in a place with no cell phone service, you see nothing but stars at night and it gives you this really unique separation from noise this this yeah you know what there's there's two times i found in a year in the wilderness where if you just you're just standing there and you're in the middle of nowhere and the entire forest uh goes still and nothing's moving i mean there's not a fly buzzing there's not a caterpillar crawling and it happens twice in a year the an obvious time is like january minus 35 degrees celsius i don't know what that is, minus 40 Fahrenheit even, you know, bitter bitterly cold and I've stood there

and I've listened and I swear at that moment you can hear the sound of the entire planet spinning on its axis, you just hear this moan and it's really intense and the other time is in the middle

heat of like June everyone knows this day in the middle middle heat of like june and everyone knows this day in the wilderness if they ever get time out there middle of june it's bakingly hot super humid and all of a sudden you realize there's not even a bumblebee there's nothing it's just and you can hear the planet i think you can i've heard pretty wild you can hear the planet, he says. Try that. That is deep. That is fucking deep. How many days all told have you spent surviving outdoors like that?

How many episodes did you do on the show? Each was seven days? Well, you got to go about, I don't know, what's 40 times seven? It's about 40 times seven, if you count other times as well. Did the all go 7 days? No, because I did the two brand new ones I did last year. I did 210 day. Dude.

Jesus. The new ones, man, I fucked up. I didn't know that it had a different name. I thought it was still Survivor Man, so I went to get them on the DVR, and I didn't get it in time. there's a survivor man 10 days and then beyond survival was the other series i did so survivor man 10 days the survivor man 10 days the one that i didn't get on the dvr i i have my i have survivor man dvr so i've got all the old ones so you missed the one in norway is that 10 days in norway i was 10 days in Norway, and it was the toughest night of my life. Really?

Yeah. You know, when I do the journey sometimes, if I'm doing a travel, of course, I know roughly where I've got to go. I might have even scouted. You know, it's like, oh, I'm going to be over in that area. And I come in, and I get dropped in, and I go do my thing. And I thought I had it set where I was going to and supposed to go to go down a mountain. I'm going to go down the mountain down this side. That was sort of how I had it set up. I'm to and supposed to go to go down a mountain. I'm going to go down the mountain down this side. That was sort of how I had it set up.

I'm going down there. And I ended up getting lost. And I was in the middle of the mountain. The sun was dropping. It was freezing rain and wet snow all day. I was drenched to the bone both from sweat and from freezing rain. And I was crawling downhill on a steep mountainside. The whole mountainside was just like ice and steep.

And I was, and I came up to cliffs. Oh Jesus Christ. And you can't go back. And I, and that was probably, you know, probably the toughest.

How did you get out of there? I just kept crawling. I literally crawled down the hill. It's, you can sort of tell when you see the show that it was way worse than I come back and look at the film. I thought, man,

it was way worse than what that looks like. But it was, I was crawling. I crawled down a hill and I thought man it was way worse than what that looks like but it was I was crawling I crawled down a hill and I made it icy cliff icy cliffs yeah Jesus Christ that was scary

yeah when you because hypothermia right yeah that's what I was worried about so how did you get out of it when I got down there finally made it to the bottom and I actually slept

in between two rocks and got a little tiny cooked up a little bit of food because I had some fire-starting stuff that I'd gotten. Did push-ups and sit-ups and jumping on the spot. A lot of times in a survival situation, when you are in the middle of the night and you're sleeping on the ground and you get that chill up your spine and it just sucks, I get out and I'll do jumping jacks or push-ups. Just to get that chill up your spine and it just sucks, I get out and I'll do jumping jacks or push-ups. Just to get your flat furnace up.

Yeah, you've got to heat up, and then it buys you to 20 minutes, right? Yeah, it's amazing how it could be freezing cold, but if you go hiking up the side of a mountain, you'll get sweaty. Yeah, that's the worst case, right? You know, I mean, everyone knows my saying is you sweat, you die. There's a reason for that. It really is true. The worst thing is to be like 4.30 p.mm and realize you're still soaking wet that's and in winter day i went hunting in montana

recently and uh we spent four nights uh in the the badlands uh camping on the missouri river nice and uh i'd never done that since i mean i maybe went camping a couple times when i was a kid but we went to yellowstone and the weather was good you know there was no issues like maybe it rained a little bit but this was cold as fuck and wandering but we had all you know equipment and guns and all we're hunting for deer mule deer so it was um it was for a television show this Steve Rinella show called meat-eater you ever seen that show? I have, yeah. Fascinating show. But that was literally one of my first,

or probably my first experience ever doing anything like that, even sleeping outside that many nights in a row. And I'm 45 years old. I've never experienced it before until a couple of months ago. I think everybody should in a way. At the very least, we can be into what we're into. We can be into UFC. We can be into hockey.

We can be into math, doing math equations. We can be into anything we want. But I think that if you can take an hour a week and get out and just stand by a tree, it'll help. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it is crazy. So you get out in a hunting situation like that you're you're you're there with the guys and you're doing the thing but still you're you're just you're just around it right you're not you're not underneath a bunch of hydro wires getting you know zapped with you know leukemia inducing electricity you're you're you're in the bush and you're getting the positive stuff yeah i don't those fucking power wire towers freak

me out when you see like one of those things and the house is right next to it you're like yeah that's not like a good place that's the highest rate of uh our herd anyway an escalated rate of leukemia amongst hydro workers i used to do land surveying a lot of years ago running the transit and doing the land surveying and i remember every once in a while we have to set up underneath like the hydro wires or crossing or whatever and And I distinctly remember looking through the transit and feeling electrical shocks coming into my forehead as I was trying to mark the spot for the party chief sort of thing. Yeah, so I mean, if that's happening and I'm standing on the ground 100 and 200 yards from the wires and I've got electricity coming up through my transit and into my forehead. Come on.

It just can't be good, man. That's just not right. It's like you're getting stunned all day. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, you can't live near that, I don't think. There's no science. The science behind it, nonconclusive.

That feeling of being around nothing no no cell phones the weird the weird thing about it is it's kind of invigorating like you don't need naps like that's one of the things that me and my friend brian one that we talked about like we never got like tired i mean we got we went hiking and we got sweaty and we were out of breath for a second you know like that kind of tired but we never got that weird I need a nap tired that you get in the city. There's this weird thing that happens where, you know, at the middle of the day, you're like, oh, I could fucking go for a nap right now.

That'd be awesome. You don't have that feeling when you're out there doing something all the time. You should try it in the Arctic. If you go to the Arctic in June and you've got the sun 24 hours, you're just like, oh, you know, and I'm alone. I do my thing. So I'm thinking, oh, I think I'll go shoot this scene over here starting a fire or something.

And I'll look at my watch. It'll say 4.30 a.m. Wow. And I'm like, okay. And I've been up. You just stay up and you feel like staying up because the sun never leaves. And you crash eventually because you crash, but you can stay up a long time in the Arctic in this early spring.

It's pretty awesome, actually. How many days have you stayed up? I don't know because when I was doing my thing, Survivorman, I would lose track of time anyway. It's easy when there's nightfall, but when I'm in the Arctic, I can tell it's night because the sun's over on that side of the sky because it circles around you like this all day wow just does this this oval loop around the the perimeter of the sky i would just think we got to get out of here man this place is gonna blow

that's what i would think if this is the sun is only up all the time like we got you can't live here we gotta get the fuck out of california live in California. This place is going to blow sooner or later. How dare you bring that up? You scared the shit out of me. You scared the shit out of me. And December 21st is coming. I don't really think that it was an earthquake predictor. It predicted the big one.

I think it was just the end of a calendar. Yeah. But there's a lot of people who want to get behind it. And it becomes this focal point, which could mean that something could happen just because so many people are focused on it. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. But there's a lot of people who want to get behind it, and it becomes this focal point, which could mean that something could happen just because so many people are focused on it. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. I was asked to do a bunch of TV shows on going out

and checking out people who were preparing for the apocalypse and preparing for the last days. No, I couldn't really get my head around it. I want to find people that prepared for Y2K. It didn't happen. Where are they now? They went crazy for a little while

and then they said, you know what, I think we're just a little premature. It's 2012, it's really going down. What about the dude who put up the 200 billboards?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, remember that? And he actually went on record and said, if it doesn't happen, God is a liar. And I would have loved to call him the next morning. So, dude, we're still here.

I think that guy had done that before, though. Yeah. Did he? Yeah, I think so. I don't know if it's the same guy or not, but there was another guy that did that shit. It's just one of those things, man. When you're in a position,

like especially guys who are preachers and pastors and anybody who's in a religious position, you're in this position of literally being the word of God, from God to the book, through your mouth. If you're around a lot of dumb people, you can all of a sudden believe your own bullshit. You can start thinking that you make sense. Next thing you know, you're buying billboards. You're telling everybody the end's coming. You give them a very specific date. Like, do you have a plan B if this is incorrect?

Or are you just rolling your dice? You're a crazy person. You're a crazy person just rolling your dice. I mean, a lot of guys in that position, they carry a lot of charisma, right? What was that Burt Lancaster movie, The Rainmaker? It's just so much charisma,

you know, you could sell, you know, fridges to an Eskimo kind of thing. I've never seen that, is that a good movie? Yeah,

that's a good one, that's a good classic movie, I think it's called The Rainmaker, it's Burt Lancaster, it's pretty, it's pretty killer and it's about that,

right? I mean, he's so masterfully charming and charismatic that you want to believe, you know, and that's what happens and if you're living in the pit or you're living in in you know you've got misery um someone really charismatic comes along you know whatever he whatever you say man my favorite one is when the charismatic guys call someone else a false prophet

that's my favorite you should put all the charismatic teachers in the ring. Yeah, exactly. And do a cage match. It would have to be like a Roman thing, though. 27 in, one man out. Give them swords. Everybody should be dead. I've never seen the guy.

He's got the hair slicked back. I forget what his name is. Famous guy. He's the one who always talks in tongues. Jimmy Swagger? No, no, no. one of the one of the less popular guys i forget his name but but he's uh he was on tv he said every time you write a check to me satan gets a black eye he said that with a straight face maybe satan's his gay lover

that's an unbelievable quote like that's another like the fact like you are your bar is so low like of people who are going to buy that line who are going to believe that that's good fodder for south park shows anyway yeah exactly but it was real it wasn't like it wasn't a saturday night live sketch that was a real guy who was actually saying that you've given money and satan gets a black eye they came up with it that strategy for extracting money where they were telling people that if they were broke, what they should do is give the church money and then God would pay them back like a hundredfold. And they kept advertising that

and having all these people tell these success stories about how they had no money for the rent and no money for food, but there was $200 they had stashed and they sent it yeah and all of a sudden they won the lot and they'll tell this crazy story about all these great things that happened to them when so they're literally going for people who are beyond poor yeah they have not they have like they're scraping together their last pennies it's like an extortion. It's like an extortion. It's like a religious extortion. You know, I know that,

I remember years of just, you know, just talking this kind of stuff and learning and searching and all that. And the thing about, like, if you take something like Jehovah's Witness, the thing about it is that if you're not in, then you are of Satan. So, therefore, if you are of Satan, then you are of Satan.

So therefore, if you are of Satan, then anything you're going to say to me in the next 15 minutes is going to be from Satan. So basically, you just have to get finished saying what you're saying, and then I will show you the way. And that's the tricky part,

is how do you have a realistic debate with someone of a dogma when they're convinced that whatever, that you're already connected to Satan so you don't even know what you're saying anyway? You can't. It becomes an impossible situation. Satan is the gateway to, like, you're crazy. Like, you can believe in God all day.

You can believe in angels. All that is cool. But when you start thinking that Satan is hiding in your basement, or Satan's around the corner, or Satan's coming, you can't bring up Satan. No one can say, we found Satan in Afghanistan. We're moving in right now. He's hanging with Jimmy Hoffa.

Yeah. You can't say you found Satan. You can't say Satan is influencing me. People go, oh, you're fucking crazy. Yeah. But if you believe in God, a biblical God, you're supposed to believe in Satan, you're a biblical god you really you're supposed to believe in satan too i believe yeah i believe it's part of the package you better look

that up but you can't yeah you can't do that and you can't whatever you're listening to reverend joe rogan here robert tilton false prophet that's the guy uh it's i'm looking at a website about uh false prophets and that's what they're calling ro Tilton. He's the guy who said, every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye. Satan gets a black eye! He was that guy. They took a video of him saying a bunch of things,

and they put fart noises behind it. The incredible farting preacher. Did you see that? No. Funny in a very juvenile and embarrassing way. Can we watch it? You can find it. It's not good for more than five seconds.

You get annoyed with it. Tillman farts. Robert Tillman. Tilton. Tilton, rather. T-I-L-T-O-N. There you go. This looks good already.

Does it? Yeah, just from the thumbnail. This is him. For I have seen all that Laban's's i've seen what laban's done under that amazing and my word will not return void and it will go to that which it was sent and it will but life and joy and the the the the the nature of god oh hallelujah and bread for eating will also provide and multiply oh that's the opening of the windows of heaven that's ridiculous i'm a child that's good god bless youtube I'm a child. I'm a grown man. God bless you, too. I'm fucking childish.

I laugh at childish shit. If it was just a cat on a rumba. That's why you like reality TV. Yes, I definitely have problems. I'm not claiming I don't. I'm a silly person. I find humor in silly things. That's your job, though.

Yeah, I guess. Part of it. Made it a job. Yeah, that's more like it. I sort of shoehorned it in there. Well, you see, I mean, so did it. Made it a job. Yeah, that's more like it. I sort of shoehorned it in there. See, I mean, so did I. Who was doing what I was doing before I was doing it? Nobody.

Nobody. I made it a job. It's like, well, I'm going to go sleep under some twigs and start a fireboat, and you will pay me some money to do this. Did you start out just camping and say, I wonder how long I could survive on my own with a few simple tools? No, I was actually, I was working at Much Music in Toronto, Much Music City TV, producing the video network there. And I was a singer-songwriter, rock and roll musician, playing the bars,

doing all the stuff. And we were getting signed to RCA. We were doing well. And I got really disillusioned with all of that industry and I stood there and I was about 25 and I didn't know what to do and I was like, what am I going to do now because I'm quitting. I'm getting out of this.

Actually, you know what? I left music in the 80s because the music of the 80s sucked so bad that I just said, I can't do this anymore. What about Van Halen's Jump? Okay, Van Halen.

Well, hang on. Wait a minute. I like that song. That's right. It's the only Van Halen song I don't like. You got to go pre-Jump. Pre-Jump. Well, there's. Wait a minute. I like that song. That's right. It's the only Van Halen song I don't like. You got to go pre-Jump. Pre-Jump.

Well, there's other good... Wasn't that the same album as Hot for Teacher? At least you didn't say Sammy. Hot for Teacher was on that album, right? Was it? I think. I don't know. I think so.

Yeah, it was a bad video, too. Well, Jump was just a little electronic. They went poppy. They got poppy on that. But at least it was pre-Sammy. You make a good point, though. There's not much from that era that's stuck.

Oh, come on. Depeche Mode, the Thompson Twins. I just wanted to kill myself. Pointer systems? Thank you. Thank you.

Isn't there something to hearing a real guitar? Oh, it's everything, man. And you know what? I left the music industry, just dropped it.

I didn't play my guitar for 10 years. I remember saying, I don't even want to know what's coming out on the radio. I remember audibly saying, oh, yeah, you hear this new band, and I go to say it, I don't even want to know what's coming out on the radio. I remember audibly saying, oh yeah,

you hear this new band, and they go to say, and I don't want to know. I don't care. I don't care about music anymore. It's dead. Because rock and roll was dead, and it was like Cyndi Lauper.

And so what I did, more on that later, because one thing I got to say I regret is I missed Pro Jam and Nirvana and Soundgarden. I missed all that because I was in a canoe. I don't regret being in a canoe, but I missed that happening. And now I look back and going, man, that was some pretty good stuff going on.

I wish I hadn't missed that era. You were in a canoe? I was in a canoe. That's where I went. So I looked and I thought, what do I want to do? And the first thing I thought was I want to do Wilderness Adventure. And I didn't even know what that meant. I just said, Wilderness Adventure. I just threw it out there in the air. And I remember I used to do wilderness adventure and I didn't even know what that meant. I just said wilderness adventure.

I just threw it out there in the air and I remember I used to love Jacques Cousteau and Tarzan movies and I saw this little ad for wilderness survival course in college and I went and I took the wilderness survival course at Humber College in Toronto and I fell in love

and that was it. I never looked back and dog sledding, sea kayaking, whitewater canoeing, everything I could do with being out there. And I spent the next 10, 12 years doing nothing but adventuring and lots of survival too. Wow.

So that's how I learned and trained. It was just all layman stuff. I came down to the States and trained with John and Jerry McPherson. And I went out and practiced a lot. I went out and survived first with classes and people and then with buddies and then on my own. And then I'd been out on my own and that's, you know, and I got to say, some of the best years, I was lean and mean and fit. I mean, I was carrying canoes all summer long and guiding teenage kids and carrying their canoes because they wouldn't.

It was a great time. I was about 28, 29 by this time and I was rock solid hard and I loved it you know man someone's gonna take that and make a clip out of it they will i was so hard then every day and it was frothy loads yeah that's gonna be a problem yeah that's gonna be a problem you just said i know i know that's all right but i hear what you're saying so you were um you were just living like a savage. Well, I'm an outdoor guide. I was an outdoor guide, and I loved it, man. It was awesome. And it was about 10 years into that, just to wrap the story up,

basically where I kind of got itchy for music again. I was in Yellowknife in the Northwest Territories, and I stepped into a blues bar. And they had a Monday blues jam, and I thought, well, I used to blow some harmonica, you know, I jumped up and I blew on some harp on Mustang Sally, and the minute I stepped on that stage, I went, oh man, I've missed this, and so I started playing again as well, but then, you know, basically, that's right about, I mean, I was keeping my kids in diapers by playing the bars at that point, I started playing the bars, you know, basically, that's right about, I mean, I was keeping my kids in diapers by playing the bars at that point.

I started playing the bars, you know, solo playing. And then, you know, then is when Survivor Series hit, did my interviews and made my phone call and Survivorman kind of took over. Wow, that's incredible, man. What do you think happened in the 80s that made music fall off? Well, there was a few things. Number one was everybody was hung up on saying rock is dead. Everybody thought, oh, Zeppelin,

dinosaur rock, and Floyd, dinosaur. They were calling it dinosaur rock. If you listen to, you know, Q107 in Toronto, you go, oh, you're listening to dinosaur rock, eh? And so it was all synthesizer. Solos weren't allowed to go on unendingly. You had to have precise

nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee-nee solos. You know, all of this fed into this synthesized stuff, and we had Thompson Twins and Flock of Seagulls and Aha, and it's not that there weren't some bright spots. You know, Sting was doing some great stuff, and Peter Gabriel was, you know, U2. You know, there were some bright spots,

but as a general rule, the pop culture went to this and the whole thing about rock being dead. And then what I missed when the whole grunge movement came out and I started listening to Pearl Jam only recently. I was going through all this old stuff. I'm going, well, this is just rock music. That's all it is. Mike McCready or whatever his name is from Pearl Jam,

he's doing a kick-ass rock bluesblues solo for five minutes on Alive. That's all he's doing. He's doing the Allman Brothers. He's doing Cream. He's doing Zeppelin. Absolutely. And that, you know, so I'm actually now,

I think music's awesome. I think, you know, Dave Matthews, Ray LaMontagne, you know, Adele, you know, I'll even say Lady Gaga, you know, Pink, you know, the Mumford & Sons. I think there's some great stuff out there today. But in the 80s, I couldn't have been more disillusioned with music.

Wow. Have you ever heard of Roadkill Ghost Choir? No. I just found out about them. I just listened to this one song. I think it's called, I don't even remember the name of it, but whatever it is. this one song.

I think it's called, I don't even remember the name of it, but whatever it is. They're a new band that's got this really sort of bluesy, banjo-y feel to them.

Great vocals, like really interesting songs. There's guys like the Black Keys, of course, are at the top of it for me. I've never really

listened to much Ben Harper. Ben's cool. Especially, if you're going to go down the spiritual road, Ben's an explorer, right? He's a spiritual explorer. So there's a lot of words and a lot of lyrics there that take you down that road. I don't know anything about him.

He's a great slide player. He's one of those famous dudes that I know is famous. It's like I get a rash. Have you heard of C6 Steve? What is it? C6 Steve. C6 Steve. Google C6 Steve.

Okay. Everybody should Google C6 Steve. This guy is the real deal Jack White pulled him off I don't know where he found him On a street or something He plays heavy slides Easy top leg blues

On a broom handle with a wire And the guy is the real deal And now he's playing At the Isle of Man He's playing to 30,000 people There you go man That's C6 Steve. How old is that dude?

Old enough, man. And that's a real guitar, but he's got one that he plays with a broom. He's got this badass white beard. Look at his guitar strap. It's a string. You know who plays with him? John Paul Jones is his bass player now. He played with Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters. or dinner time. Well,

when I'm out working, she ain't not flirting. She loves me so and I love her more. Call trust y'all. A dad of both. C60, man. So, you know, I don't know.

I think now I like the music that's out there now. I like what's coming down the pipe now. I want to know what happened to them in the 80s. Where did it go wrong? How did they get from... It's weird, eh? Yeah, how did they get from Leonard Skinner to some of the shit that flew in the 80s?

Well, some of it I blame on The Edge because as much as I really like you... The Edge from U2? U2. I love U2. But The Edge started doing sort of nondescript guitar solos, no noodling, no riffing. And so the whole group of follow-up guitar players came into this

and then cleaned that up even more. And so you ended up with all these really little precise little nuggets. We lost the rock and roller. We lost the shredder. I went to Axl Rose the other night. The sound that you two created. Fantastic.

Where the streets have no name. I mean, that is a fucking... Brilliant. That's one of the greatest songs ever. Just that power of that fucking song. Like, whew. I hear you, though.

The other stuff is missing. Even like Bruce was doing Dancing in the Dark. I mean, you know, Bruce, what were you doing? What happened, buddy? But Courtney Cox was on the video. Dancing and shit. He's dancing so white, too.

So embarrassing for the culture. That was the 80s. Brucey style. You could totally do that, man. You could totally do a version of that. Remember when it was like for a while they were trying to make it cool to dance?

I smell something coming on here. They were trying to make it cool to dance for like the longest time. They tried with Saturday Night Fever that worked for a little while and then, you know,

white people quickly got away from it when they found they could go to bars and just not dance. Well, there's only one Michael Jackson, man. I mean, I thought

Michael was a genius. See, you know what I love? I love entertainers pure Gene Kelly Elvis the Beatles Michael Jackson David Lee Roth I think quintessential

frontman so the other night I went out to see Axl Rose in Vegas Guns N' Roses right and do you know what he was iconic

he did his move his voice was right on he's put on a bit of weight like Bono did, but just like Bono, he was kicking out his voice. He played all the hits. It was awesome. What happens to those guys?

Do they just go bananas? Do they just get too famous as Axl Rose type characters? Do they just get too huge as rock stars, and then they just go bananas for a few years and then pull it together again? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Some of them do. Not all of them. I mean, not all of them. when I go back and listen to, like, Welcome to the Jungle and Sweet Child of Mine. He opens with Welcome to the Jungle.

When you go back and listen to those, you're like, Jesus Christ, I mean, this guy could have been putting out shit like this for 20 years.

If somehow or another he could keep it together and still produce this kind of shit, like, their early stuff was fucking fantastic. Mr. Brownstone, how could they fuck that up?

Alcohol, drugs, women, and cat pee, Joe. Too much money. Too much money. Too much money, huh? But, you know, it happens. You're listening to right now, Peter Frampton's going out, and I don't know if my friend Danny knows Peter at all, but Peter's out doing his, Frampton comes alive,

and he's doing interviews and he said, man, I was just too young. I had all the money. He was too young, you know, to handle it. It's different now because now you come with like bookkeepers

and people are like, man, it's so much different. Back then, I just read Greg Allman's autobiography. Really? What a great read. And you just, I mean, I literally read it

as a rock and roller with complete envy from page one to the end i'm like dude man look at it man see because he'd be like every fifth page and we just did it for the music man it was just about the music we played for free in all these parks because it's just about them like yeah that's why it's so good it was incredible it's a great read it's uh called. It was incredible. It's a great read. It's called My Cross to Bear. Yeah, he was a bad motherfucker. Yeah, and if you hear this, Greg, I blow a mean harp

and I want to come play with you at the Beacon Theater when you're playing there. I'll do anything to jump up on stage and blow some harp with you. Thank God you said harp. Do you want me to say harmonica? Have you ever met him

or connected with him? No, no. I just read the book recently and I was like, yeah. I mean, I know I sound like an old rocker, but, you know, okay. So last night, I was at Alice Cooper's Cooper Town in Phoenix, Arizona, because I get to play in the Christmas Pudding sometimes. And he's got the Solid Rock Foundation. It's a great foundation that Alice Cooper does for street kids.

Last night was a Battle of the Bands, and I was listening to the Battle of the Bands, and they're trying to compete for one spot to play in his Christmas Pudding concert. Christmas Pudding? That's what he calls it. The Alice Cooper Christmas Pudding concert. It's a big rock show in a theater

and all the proceeds go to the Solid Rock Foundation. So these bands are battling it out last night. So I'm watching 20-somethings, young, young 20-somethings and even younger

playing it out. And you know what? I sat there and I thought, these guys are playing rock and roll. They were just rock and roll and actually i was like thrilled i thought look check it out there's a guy went up there and he was riffing off blue solos they were and they were doing things and these these are kids 20 year old kids and they were playing rock and roll i was very happy last night yeah there's something to be said certainly for that particular type of music like it doesn't need to it doesn't need to be synthesized.

It doesn't need to be overproduced. Emotion comes through that music, through that raw guitar and hearing a real drum. Seeing a guy really hit the bass. Having a band like the Black Keys. There's an emotion that comes through watching their stuff that's so crisp it's not like you know that fake weird noise it's like you don't have to reproduce the noise. Just keep doing it with instruments. Like instruments, you're expressing a person's movement through a guitar,

through the drums. You're expressing this person's movement. And as soon as I know that you're just pressing some buttons and it's creating all that music, that sound becomes weird. Well, my contention is that the thing, here's the other thing that got lost in the 80s, the thing that's missed is music is live musical performance yeah because you can do whatever you want in the studio with auto-tune and you know guitar garage guitar well guitar garage band you can do anything

you want with pro tools and logic but you can't recreate that live unless you've got the shit you know i mean and i i played a gig in ottawa ontario uh a month or so a couple weeks ago and it was a rock bar and i've been playing my my big my my more sort of nice stage stuff with my my uh film footage from around the world and i do a survivor man question and answer but finally for some reason we got booked into mavericks in ottawa as a rock bar and I had a blast because by the end of that night, I was almost in heart attack territory. I was drenched with sweat.

I blew my harmonica like crazy all night long. Had a blast with people and it's like, you can't replace that. You can't replace great live performance with synthesized,

pre-programmed, button-pushing crap. You can't do it. You got to be good on stage. That's what separates the stars from the hackers. But then again, I say there's some electronic music that I think is very artistic. Sure there is, yeah.

It's not the same thing. Well, no, I'm an art rock lover. I grew up in Pink Floyd. I think Radiohead's fantastic. Muse, absolutely. So it's not to the exclusion. Right. I grew up, you know, Pink Floyd, I think Radiohead's fantastic, Muse, you know, absolutely, you know. So it's not to the exclusion. Right.

It's just something that went wrong in the 80s. Some of it. Something was wrong then, you know. I don't know. Because bands were getting signed in the 80s that had never even been on stage. You know, and Steely Dan, they're a god grandfather. They're okay. They're an exception. But in the 80s, you know, no.

I mean, these people never performed. It's kind of interesting because that's sort of one of the things that's happened with the Internet. It's forced live performances to be much more frequent if you want to make money because they can't sell the kind of records that they used to be able to sell. The Internet swallowed everything up. I think it's a good thing. I mean, only because I love the stage. Like I was saying earlier, I like entertainment. I think it's a good thing. I mean, only because I love the stage. Like I was saying earlier, I like entertainment.

I think it's a good thing, too. And it also prevents those Mike Myers movie scenarios where they construct a fake band. I mean, it seems like it would be a Mike Myers movie or something like that. But that's like a lot of Milli Vanilli, a lot of these bands that they create. They put together these artificial things in a very comical, cartoonish sort of way,

and people just ate it up. What do you think of Idol, though? Idol? Like American Idol? American Idol, The Voice, America's Got Talent. I don't really watch them. I watched American Idol once, and it was obvious that a lot of the people that they were showing were crazy.

You saw it early on. once and i it was obvious that a lot of the people that they were showing were crazy they were like their idea yeah their idea of like what was good was they were nuts they were like saying their voice would be fucking terrible it was almost like they were doing it on purpose yeah they do that's the preliminary right that's the preliminary shows and when it gets to the end i mean i have to admit you get to the end there's some talent on the stage yeah sure there is and and that's why i said one of my exceptions to the reality shows is the competition shows. Those I've never minded. For some reason, it just seems they do all the reality stuff around it for the 11 episodes leading up to the last two. But then when they get down to the talent and the performance, it ends up on some pretty talented people.

I think it's pretty cool. and the performance, it ends up on some pretty talented people. I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, I think it's probably because of the fact that there's more ways you can deliver your music. I found out about so many people just because of a YouTube video. Someone would send me something through Twitter, you've got to check out this band. So I go, okay, check out the band.

And then some of them you don't give a fuck about. Every now and then you go, whoa. And so then you start retweeting it. And next thing you know, you're watching the numbers on the hits just go up 10, 20,000, 30,000. People start telling each other about it. It really becomes like a viral thing if it's a really good song. Well, let me totally – this is totally shameless. But I just found out this morning that my song Arctic Mistress is number 10 on the most indie download this week.

And I don't even know what that means. It's called Arctic Mistress. That's a powerful word, Arctic Mistress. It was my lyrical take on the Arctic as a mistress, as a seductive woman. And so I wrote it that way. It's a beautiful, it's kind of an AC song, so you aren't going to hear it on rock stations. But anyway, my point being- What does AC mean? Adult Contemporary contemporary you're going to hear it in the

dentist's office you're not going to hear it on the rock station when i'm not going to play it today either but but uh the point being that you know i just found that out it's like what's that mean it's not it was too ahead of adele for indie downloads i'm like okay awesome i don't see any checks coming but i don't know what it means but anyway I just plugged it so I don't care do you like doing music more than you like doing your show yes yeah that's your favorite thing

but don't misconstrue that to say that I don't love Survivorman because I don't piss on the flag I mean you know what Survivorman opened a lot of back doors for me including going to play with Alice Cooper, Stephen Stills Tommy Shaw. That wouldn't happen if not for Survivor Man. I think you opened a lot of people's eyes on that show.

For me, as far as pop culture goes, that was one of the most revealing shows ever because a lot of people have this distorted perception of what they would do if they got lost in the woods. I'd just go fishing, catch some fish like a motherfucker. It was always good, fishing. I get that all the time. It's like, dude, man, how come you didn't take down a deer?

It's like, okay, you take down a deer with a spoon and a piece of string. I get that all the time, man. How come you didn't catch a whole bunch of fish? Okay, here's a bobby pin man how come you didn't catch a whole bunch of fish okay here's a bobby pin and some thread you go catch a whole bunch of fish so it's it's people's yeah but on the other hand what i always pointed out was anybody like i went out there being you know just an idiot because anybody could do what i do i got some survival knowledge there's no question and i've got all that training for sure but i also am doing things that anybody could do you know the thing the way i survive is still 80 percent anyone so you don't you mean like not physically impressive you don't have to be in incredible shape you don't

you just have to right skill set skill set not not super impressive in terms of skill set it's just here's what you could do you know i mean i i'm really good at the fireball so there's one of the ways that you know the 20 percent where i kick it you know the rubbing two sticks together bow and arrow yeah yeah yeah so that's not so normal for everybody on the street but a lot of the other stuff is just what anybody could do i tried to do that once and i was not successful it's really hard it is not easy to start a fire with a stick like that i didn't have enough of the little uh kindling, the little scrubs. It's all feel.

It's all feel. I mean, like watching your sidekicks on YouTube the other day. I can't do those. I've been doing Muay Thai. I suck at my legs, but I can't get that kick. I can teach you how to do that. I know you could. I know you could.

I could teach you the fireball. I would love to learn. It's just that skill set. Dude, it's an exchange. Let's do it. All right. I'll teach you how to throw a sidekick. Teach me how to live.

Teach me how to live in the woods and cook the food. What's the first time you did it? Did you go out for a test run? Like, I'll do two nights by myself in the woods, and then eventually kick it up to seven. You mean for Survivorman itself? Yeah. No, I knew I could do it, so I just went right at it. But before that, had you done any trial runs?

Had you done any, like... Not for Survivorman, but in learning survival, yeah, lots. I'd done it with... As I said, I went out with classes. I went out with friends, and I went out on my own for sure. And when you went on your own, did you do the same thing you did on the show, like give yourself a scenario, like a broken bike, and you have to dismantle the bike?

Not so much. That was for the show. No, I just went out. I'd go out hiking. I'd go off in the bush and do my thing, just survive. It was all wilderness-y. I wasn't trying to create scenarios there. I love the scenarios.

Scenarios are fun. Yeah, my favorite for sure was the hot air balloon because that was just the freakiest. You were going to shoot a rocket at the lions. That was cool, eh? I know, I still love that. When we do a promo clip or something, it's always in there because I remember that moment just cranking down on the fuel

and just shooting a 12-foot flame in front of me. Yeah, that's pretty rocking. That was badass. It's like, okay, lions, bring it on, man. Bring it on. You were fucking hanging out with lions, man. You need that if you're hanging out with lions. That's so frightening.

Barbecued zebra. Now, I heard you on Opie and Anthony, I think it was, where you said that you think you had a Sasquatch experience. I'll tell a story if I can get another Guinness. Am I allowed to say Guinness? Hell yeah, sweet. Yeah, yeah. We're not sponsored by any alcohol companies.

Well, damn it. You should be. Old Milwaukee is what I want to get sponsored by. I think we're too controversial for alcohol companies. I should say. Sorry, I'm drinking my Miller Lite. That's what I'm supposed to say. I love Miller Lite. Guinness what I'm supposed to say.

Guinness is delicious. So tasty. What were you asking me? Oh, yeah, Bigfoot. Bigfoot, man. You said that you had more than one. You had two Sasquatch experiences? When my second wife and I were off living in the bush. We lived in the bush for a year.

And I were off living in the bush. We lived in the bush for a year. And it was like 500 years ago. No metal, no matches, no plastic, no nylon. We were like just a couple of original, traditional Aboriginals living out there. And I did a film about it and all that. And when we were out there, there was this moment where we're in, I don't know where we were, but we were in like a little shelter.

We're out by the river. And it's one of those quiet nights where you can hear everything. It's just nice and quiet. And I hear a large bipedal, so two feet, walking towards the tent. Now, I know what a bear sounds like when I hear it. I know what a moose sounds like. And I know their feet might line up and all that sort of stuff. I know those sounds. And this was a very large, I would say it was like a very large man walking in the forest. Now that's, you know, is that a big deal? Well,

yeah, we were in the middle of nowhere. Like there was no roads for, you know, a hundred miles. So there should not be anybody walking. And it was walking and it came closer and closer and closer. It was about 50 feet from the tent. I wish to this day I hadn't done this, but I got nervous and I did the same thing I might do with a bear. I wish to this day I hadn't have done this, but I got nervous. And I did the same thing I might do with a bear. I just kind of yelled out, hey, we're over here. Not tent, but I was in this little shelter. And it stopped.

And I wished I'd peeked my head out around the corner. And then it turned, and it just walked away just a little bit faster than it came. And that was it. So that was episode number one, a big, big man walking towards us in the middle of the bush at nighttime. It was dark. The second time was the one I told on Opie and Anthony, and that was I was in day five or day six of filming Survivorman in Alaska.

And I'd filmed this scene. It's funny because we just looked at these clips recently and I had forgotten something that I filmed this scene where I was cutting grass up to make a bed so recently we were looking at the footage and and I'm going look at that look at that and my editor points it out and we look and I every I'm I'm doing my thing and you see me stopping and going like that and I'm just looking and went back. I do that two or three times I stop and I look. I forgot that I did that but we saw it on our outtake so to speak and I'm stopping. I just keep looking over the bush. Anyway, I finish my scene and I turn the cameras off and I'm just sort of standing there and

I hear the sound like, what the heck? You know, of course I'm thinking grizzly bear. Of course, absolutely. That's and I'm just sort of standing there, and I hear the sound, like, what the heck, you know, and I'm, you know, of course, I'm thinking grizzly bear, of course, absolutely, that's what I'm thinking, and about 50 feet away, it's ruffles, the sort of ruffling in the trees, rustling in the trees, and then I hear, like that, only way louder, right up my spine and then he did it five more times like that super super loud now i've heard moose and bear i've heard bears grunt well i can make a wolf howl but i've never heard anything like that before in my life other than a zoo with the great ape exhibit right so to me, you know, there's two ways to ask the question, Joe.

You can say to someone, hey man, do you believe in Bigfoot? That's a hard question to ask because, you know, if you're sitting around at a party, it's like, oh, no way, dude. Forget it, man. Don't be a loser.

That's one way to ask the question. The other way to ask the question is, do you think it's possible that on our vast expanses of forests throughout the planet, that in tiny little pockets of maybe six species, six members, that a bipedal gigantic apithecus ape could exist that's very intuitive and sensitive human beings and doesn't really want to be discovered, yet is responsible for hundreds and hundreds of physical, audible anecdotes? That's a different way to ask the question.

And so I actually presented that to Discovery Channel, Science Channel recently. I said, why don't I do Survivor Man, Bigfoot Man? Why don't I go out there and I'll just go? No camera crews. And they're down with it. We're trying to make that happen right now. Are you going to go back to the same spot? I thought about that.

That was a Tecla Arm or something like that in Alaska. Back to the spot. But there's some hot stuff in BC and in, I think, Washington State. So I'll go to a few. So that, I mean, so what am I saying? Do I believe? I don't know what the answer is. I don't know.

I just know what I heard. When you watch Finding Bigfoot, do you go, get out there, bitch. Oh, man. Go looking for real. You know what you're asking me? You're asking me about a reality show. I i'm watching and and i'm just like no really here comes another episode of what was that i heard a squash oh that's a squash and then you see nothing cut the commercial every single every show is the same thing right oh let's let's do the

night shot cameras because that's gonna look scary yeah it's called finding bigfoot not we're looking we're looking for you don't even find shit every episode it's like what was that and they cut the commercial well they know when they're putting that together that it was nothing it's a tv show motherfuckers and so i got i got a with a friend of mine at the network we got a bottle of scotch on and i said if i come back with something that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck it's a bottle of scotch to me and And he said, if I come back with nothing, I owe you a bottle of scotch. So we got a bet riding on it. And I don't know. I'm just going to go out there, and I'll be alone.

Wasn't there some new stuff, Brian? Some new biologists have listened to some Bigfoot sounds and deciphered it. It was really recent. See if you can find it,. They played these sounds that these hunters made. Confirmation, Bigfoot sound. No, that's one of the most compelling pieces of evidence.

The only one that really makes any dent in my imagination is these sounds that they've recorded. It's scary. I'll tell you, the hair went up on the back of my neck that day. I heard a great ape is what I heard. I heard the sound of an ape. I mean, the hair went up on the back of my neck that day. I heard a great ape is what I heard. I heard the sound of an ape. I mean, and I'm alone in the middle of Alaska, home of the apes.

Well, for people who have never flown over the Pacific Northwest or Alaska or anything, do you think they really get how crazy it is? People don't know. People don't know how vast it is out there. I mean, I'm the first one to kind of come up and environmentally speak against, you know, clear cutting and, you know,

all that stuff. On the other hand, I've flown, I mean, for hours and not seen, you know, anything but trees.

Yeah, hours. And so, if there was 12 Sasquatch living down there and let's say they were intelligent enough that they buried their dead. So that's a question, right?

Well, how come you never find a skeleton? I've been in the woods for many, many, many years. I've never in my life come across a black bear skeleton, and there's 60,000 of them in Ontario alone. Never once seen a black bear skeleton. Nature's so efficient at removing bodies. I found one moose one time that fell through the ice in the spring. Other than that, or deer, you know, other than that.

So if you've got 12 bipedal apes that live and they bury their dead I mean you're not going to find a skeleton you're going to find what do we find tracks

we hear sounds somebody gets rocks thrown at them somebody sees something that's all we got you know well how many times does someone see

a mountain lion and we know there's so many mountain lions yeah like they would have so many that's the thing

there's no like game camera trap photos you would think, they would have so many. That's the thing. There's no, like, game camera trap photos. You would think that someone would have taken some sort of a game trap photo. Well, there is some stuff. I mean, you can Google some of that when it comes to Bigfoot. The photos? You know. I've never seen a photo.

It's tricky. Everything's always blurry and out of focus. Yeah. If they're really smart and they're good at hiding and they live in the forest it'd probably be tough to get a bead on them yeah they might even know what it is they might even just recognize the technology

in the tree and say I'm going to stay away from that who knows right to most people like me it's just a sexy idea it's a very sexy idea I plan on going

like Todd Standing is a real cool gentleman his whole life is researching Bigfoot and Sasquatch for the purpose of protecting them. And, you know, when I go out, probably go out with him,

the whole point is we're not going out there to shoot them, tag them, or it's going out there to go on their terms, if they exist, whatever they are, and let it happen. But the only way you can do that is my way, which is to go out there alone. It's been a long time, man, immersion. So I hate to sound like a marketer, but who else to do that but Survivor? Dude, you're the fucking guy.

Well, to you, it's a very different thing, though, than it is to me. I was saying it's sexy to me. To you, you had an experience. Like, you've had two separate experiences and one that was like, that sounds fucking terrifying. A bear can't make a noise like that? No.

A bear, you know, the bark sort of thing. But not, you know, hooping, hooping, hooping, hooping like that. Bears are. And five times in a row, the exact same way. Don't you wish you just got a flashlight on it just to see what the fuck was. You know, the thing was my camera was 20 feet away. And I wanted to turn it on so bad. But I i didn't move i didn't move a muscle the whole time and then when i finally moved is when it took off and i heard this big crashing and

smashing and going through the forest and and it was gone should have ran right after it yeah well i went i went down to where he was really oh my god, I went down there. Oh, my God. I got to go see this. I would have been shitting my pants. I got scared when we were sleeping because a deer came into the camp. And a deer made some noise, like hoofed and stomped its feet. And I was like, oh, there's a fucking deer out there. Some mean-ass deers. What if you found out that Bigfoot's just a bunch of murderers that are hiding in woods? You know, like that's where they live now.

They live in the middle of woods. How do they they make that whoop whoop whoop sound because that's what them trying to scare the crap out yeah so you get the fuck out of there that could be something could be and they'd be like those dudes from swamp people yeah they can make some noises they can throw rocks they can make some noises to wear a suit yeah bigfoot's a serial murderer and there's just tons of serial murderers now that's a different theory i'm not even going out now i just went straight okay hang on a second so you're talking about serial murderers who live way off in the middle of nowhere where people never go right that's true you know they can live you know what being

trolled you know what that means no that's a good idea he's trolling you with his ideas if you're a serial murderer that you don't want to go to a ridiculous conversation sucked and what you do is just cover yourself with hair he turns his face away like he's upset He's trolling you with his ideas. No, if you're a serial murderer that you don't want to go to prison. Drag you into a ridiculous conversation. Sucked. And what you do is just cover yourself with hair. He turns his face away like he's upset that we're not considering it. I'm serious. If I was a serial murderer. It's a good theory.

Oh, yeah, and you looked like a monkey. I get it. And then you breed with other ones and you make female and baby serial killers. No, you make people get scared of you like you're some kind of animal. Or Bigfoot gets all the serial murders and makes them his bitch. it's like a yeah texas chainsaw massacre with bigfoot yeah there's a kingpin monkey guy now go steal me that backpack he just has sex with all these serial murders there's a guy who's sending a blimp over the pacific northwest he's gonna try to uh capture one uh on camera i saw that yeah yeah. Yeah. You got to go in. I think you got to pull a Survivorman and go in and be there for like two weeks on your own in the middle sitting on a tree.

How long could you go out there for? Like if you could bring like a – you wouldn't want to bring an animal because it would smell, right? Like to carry like a llama or something to carry your items. But like how long could you like live out in one spot? items, but how long could you live out in one spot? If you went to the Pacific Northwest, wherever you think that there's the highest incident of Bigfoot sightings, and you went

wandering through the woods, how long could you live out there with what you could carry? With what I could carry? Well, if you're willing to hunt, you could go you could really go indefinitely if you're willing to hunt and fish. So as long as you brought a fishing rod and a rifle. Yeah, I did a,

sorry, I don't mean this to be a plug, but so I did a book Will to Live and in that book I wrote about all these. Please plug your book. Okay, Will to Live,

Harper Collins and I did all these stories of survival and one of the stories that I dissected was actually Chris McInnes, the Into the Wild guy,

the Sean Penn movie with the Eddie Vedder soundtrack. Cool soundtrack. And, you know, he went in in he didn't have to die i mean he had a gun and he just went in with a lack of skill but there are men and women i mean who go out there and as long as you've got the skill set and you've got the ammunition for you take like he took down a moose and then the moose spoiled that was ridiculous didn't have to happen but he didn't know what to do you take down one moose you you're kind of covered for the year at least six months right so of eating so it's indefinitely if you if i've got you know a rifle and ammunition you know wow

otherwise if you're talking survival it's brutal uh you know if it's survival i have no idea because you know you can you can perish pretty quickly even if you are a survivor, man. Yeah, the kid from that movie, he went and he was sleeping in a mobile home or something like that, right? He found an old bus. An old bus. He found an old bus and then he died there. Unfortunately, very tragically. I say tragically because he was an intelligent man, a creative man. He didn't need to die.

But he was also, I said in my book, he was very, very charming. Alaska doesn't give a crap if you're charming or not you know that's a good point yeah you can believe in yourself all you want but if you're delusional if you don't freeze to death if you don't know how to cure meat like a moose if you don't know how to hunt you're gonna freeze to death yeah you need to learn those as skills it's like it's a ridiculous proposition just go out there and try to figure it out as you go along. You know, in the beginning of the conversation,

I tend to play it down a little bit and I say, look, anybody could do what I do. I still, I stand by that. But that doesn't mean that it's not,

you know, brutal out there. It doesn't mean that it's easy, you know, because the worst thing is three o'clock in the morning. You try to sleep through the nights. Three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning. You try to sleep through the nights. 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning, you don't – I mean, when I'm there, every time on day three, I want to go home.

I'm like, what am I doing here? This is stupid. Why am I doing this? You know, I could be my – the crew that brought me in is out somewhere at a hotel having a beer right now, you know, and I'm sleeping on the ground freezing my ass off and shivering andivering, and it sucks, and I'm tired, I'm hungry, and I miss my kids, and all that, you know, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff comes in, and there's nothing, there's nothing, that's the thing about when the copycat shows all came up, there's nothing fun about survival, it sucks, you know, I mean, what I do as Survivorman is, can be brutal, and can be very hard, and I do it with a

wink in my eye, and with some wit. And I have some witticisms and I've got skill set and I'm teaching and I'm filming. But it still sucks no matter what. It's still very, very hard. And when the other shows came along and they tried to make it look like it's all so, you know, this or that or fun, it's not. The reason is that they're not there at 3 in the morning sleeping on the ground like I still am. I'm still there at 3 a.m. sleeping on the ground I'm not off in a hotel you know working over the scripts for the next day I'm and and sleeping on the ground sucks you you you know what you feel like you get

the shivers up your spine and it feels just like you did when you were eight years old and you had the flu and you just you cry and you want to go home and you just want your mom to bring you some toast and peanut butter that's all you care and that's what it's like when you're out there and you're shivering and you're a 45-year-old man. It still sucks. Jesus Christ. That's in survival. Wilderness travel is different because I can go out there with food and a tent. I can be out there forever.

That's beautiful. Then you're connecting with the earth. But surviving is different. But surviving is different. So if you had like a campsite and a tent and, you know, various necessities, fishing rod, rifle, you could just be out there near a river where there's water. You could be out there forever. Yeah, if I had a woman, yeah. Would you enjoy that?

Without a woman? No. I mean, even with a woman. With a woman. Well, I mean, I did. I mean, the first year of marriage, my second wife, that's exactly what we did. We spent a year living in the bush, a full year. And you know what?

It was fantastic, I got to say. Wow. That's incredible. It was great. Did you forage for your own food? We did. Grow it? Yep. We foraged and grew up there.

Now, would I do it now? I'd go out now, and I'd enjoy times now. But, you know, I also love, love you know sushi in Vegas too so so I mean I like I like both worlds you know I like jumping back and forth I love my music and rock and roll but I love hopping in a canoe so I'm always equally at home as I am in a dugout canoe as I am going to New York and watching a show. Yeah, it seems like you found this, that's a crazy balance. It is a crazy balance, yeah. You know, when I was really young,

I watched a Tarzan movie one time, and it wasn't Weissmuller, it was Steve Reeves or somebody like that. And in it, the beginning of the movie happens, and the guy's in a suit, and it's like New York, he's like this high-end lawyer or something, and he's got Babe on his arm, and a call comes in.

There's trouble in the jungle. And he grabs the stuff. And this woman goes, aren't you going to need to pack? And he picks up a Bowie knife and a loincloth. And he goes, this is all I'll need. And it was Tarzan. And he goes off into the jungle. And I thought, that's the coolest thing I ever saw in my life, man.

This guy can drive an Aston Martin and swing from a tree. That's so cool. And here I am now playing Survivor Man and rock and roll. And I love jumping between both worlds. It's cool. Charles Kerouac, is that what the guy's name was? Jack Kerouac? No, no, no.

Charles Kuralt. Charles Kuralt used to do those, I think it was for 60 Minutes. to do those um i think it was uh for 60 minutes it was anyway he was interviewing this guy who was a trapper who lived alone in alaska and uh he lived there for like six months out of the year and then he would come back down he would you know yes but he would stay up there for huge periods of time with no contact with the outside world and he said that once he started to do that he could read animals minds you do get a little loopy when you're out there for a while you know a lot of times i'm they compare me to dick pronicky a wilderness man of the wilderness or something you know i think what dick did was fantastic he was obviously an engineer mind and he built this great place and

he was out in the wilderness like 30 35 35 years, 25 years, something like that. But in my mind, you know, if you're leaving society behind for 25 years, there's got to be a little something. You've got to be missing something. I think, and I've known trappers,

a lot of friends of mine, trappers, and I trapped. But you can get pretty loopy out there. Even in Survivorman, for seven days, one of my guys I work with, you say,

yeah, I always knew when you lost it on day five it was like oh this is the day Les loses it look at his eyes you know

and that's only five days you know so you're out there for a few months or a few weeks do you get a little loopy if you're alone if you're not alone

it all changes but if you're alone I think you can you can get a little I like that show Cabin Fever Mountain Men have you ever seen it I heard it can get a little cabin fever. I like that show, Mountain Men. Have you ever seen it? I haven't seen it. I heard it, saw the promo, but I haven't seen the show.

I don't know how much of it is BS. It seems legit. But the one guy lives in Alaska, and he's a trapper. And all this guy does is just run his trap lines all day with a snowmobile. And he's up there for months and months at a time, and it's fucking crazy. You're watching it, thinking about what the hell that's like this guy's flying in on a plane he flies for hours over this vast wilderness before he lands in the spot that he's been walking around for years he goes to the same spot and he has these different cabins set up

he's built log cabins he's constructed at these various places and they're just barely big enough to store like hides and a bed, and he has a little stove in them. It's fucking crazy. It's escaping society, right? It's just shunning society. The fascinating part about what he's doing is you think about it, that while he's out there, he doesn't know what's happening in the world.

He comes out and the world changed. Comes out and 9-11 happened. Comes out and something else happened. A war or whatever. So those guys don't know. They literally don't know anything has gone on. They might come out and all sorts of stuff has happened and then the dust has settled and not even ever hear of what happened while they were gone because maybe it doesn't matter

anymore by the time they get out. That's wild, I thought. Have you ever seen that vice piece on that guy that lives in the Arctic? Haimo, his name is. I think it's called Haimo's Arctic Refuge. And it's about a guy who lives way, I think it's northeast Alaska. And he has this cabin. It's like one of the last ones, one of the last people that's allowed to live out there.

Homesteading loss Yeah, and he's he's out there eating caribou and fishing and he gets he gets Traps and he gets money for the skins and that pays for like vegetables or whatever the hell he eats that he gets his vitamins from And different supplies and guns and stuff like that and he's just out there with him and his wife a lot of these guys They they really if you, once you interview them, talk to them, they don't want much of society. It's like, that's not for me. You hear that, you know, that's not for me.

That's where they end up is Alaska. Well, he was talking about, like, this great satisfaction that he gets from hunting and fishing and being, like, a hunter-gatherer. He was like, this is what keeps men happy. It's the core of us. I mean, why did so many people like Survivorman? I think a lot of times it's because it touched on the core of who we are. We can have all this other stuff like you got in here in this studio right now,

but if you're left alone, what matters? Food, water, shelter, done. Those three things, food, water, shelter, over and over again. And when I do what I do or these guys go off and live like that, you're bringing it down to that. You're bringing it down to brass tacks, just saying this is it. There's nothing else that matters. And so people watch and they go, yeah, if I lost it all,

it would be like what Stroud's doing. And I'm going to watch because that's like losing it all, man. All you have to do is get warm and get some water and some food like that's pretty and and in many ways that's very freeing if you think about it right you don't worry about rent payments or anything else you just want to drink yeah but then you gotta like every day in a search for food i think you'd get tired of that shit real quick you do long for the days of supermarkets it gets gets old real fast, yeah. So, I mean, you know, if you're good and you catch a moose, you know,

that's a big, that's a spiritual moment when something like that happens. But, you know, if you have me go in with stuff like we were talking about, I'm a happy man, you know, because now I'm not worried about trying to get the next meal. Where do you live now without giving out your home address? Well, I basically live in what's like cottage country in Ontario for people of Toronto, the Muskokas. I've got my off-the-grid place as well, but I wasn't raised by wolves. MTV Cribs came up and we did my place, and so I did a tongue-in-cheek show of my bedroom,

and it was basically a shelter in the bush with a little fire going inside it's a master suite um but I just live normal you know I live up there normal and you have an off the grid place too I do yeah it's pretty cool actually solar panels and wind generator and um where is that it's 170 acres in northern Ontario as well you just uh you built like just a sustainable home up there? Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say I built. I had someone else. You don't want me

building anything. Give me an axe and a tree, I will make you shelter. You throw in an angle or a moving part, I'm screwed. Not into precision?

Not into precision, no. Absolutely not. So yeah, I did it for a film called Off the Grid with Les Stratton. Yeah, I've seen clips of that online. I've never seen the actual movie, though.

Yep. You should watch it. I will. I promise. But when you set this up, do you go to visit it every now and then and stay up there? I'm there all the time. Yeah? Yeah.

What do you do when you go up there? Play guitar. Live like a caveman. Play guitar. Play guitar. Get out in the ATV. Go jogging down the road. Have people over.

Sit by the fire. Do you bring food with you? Do you hunt and fish while you're out there no no i've actually you know i really now i really only hunt for survivor man when i'm doing survivor man i hunt um but i haven't had time to go out i actually my buddy one of my best friends hunts all the time and i'll text him while he's in his tree stand and he'll always say stop texting me and then i'll phone him stop phoning me any deer coming? But I don't have much time to get out there anymore and do much hunting or anything like that. So Ted Nugent isn't inviting me lately.

When he does, maybe I'll go out. Have you ever done it with Ted Nugent? No, no, not at all. Ted Nugent lives a crazy life. He has like two places, one in Michigan and one in Texas. And they're those like a high fence operation. Yeah. So he's got all these trees and shit and he hangs out in them and the animals just run around. And he's like got his own like personal playground to like shoot deer.

Yeah. He comes up to Ontario every year to hunt bear and he freaked out on Ontario because they stopped the spring bear hunt. And he went on a rampage and said nobody go to Ontario anymore which was like people were getting really ticked off about why did he say that because we stopped the spring bear hunt now it's only a fall bear hunt but he still comes up I think for the fall bear hunt well they do that though because they count numbers I mean it's important to like well there was a lot of orphanages happening too right because you're shooting the mother bear with a new spring cub

who hasn't had a chance to really get on its feet. At least in the fall, it's had the summer to wean itself and to do what it's got to do. So a lot of it was that as well as numbers. Who knows? There's science behind it somewhere. Right, most of the time, right? So why is he getting upset about that?

I thought that was his whole thing is being a conservationist. I don't know. I don't know. Because he likes hunting in Black Bear in Ontario. He loves hunting period his show is fascinating to me he's always like thanking god and the government and fucking thanking all the army and the marines and shit yeah he's shooting deer with arrows all day he looks like he's having a good time though i gotta tell you guy looks great he's in his 60s he looks i mean but besides all the right-wing rhetoric it gets a little crazy.

Like Obama's purposely trying to ruin this country. It gets a little nutty. But the whole shooting deer with arrows, that looks fun as fuck. Well, he's doing the Bruce Lee thing. He's expressing himself, honestly. Yeah, yeah. Just the deer hunting aspect of it is kind of fascinating. I mean, he really has, like, great joy.

Does he have his own show? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen it yet. Spirit of the Wild. I don't know if we get it in Canada. It's a good show. If you're into watching dudes fuck up deers with arrows, he's badass. I mean, he's, I don't know, like, what the limits are for how many deer you're supposed to kill.

But he gets them all. He fills the quota he fills his fucking tags i'll tell you that that ted nugent knows how to shoot some fucking deer like there's a lot of like hunting shows and like you'd say well if ted nugent has a hunting show it's probably not as like good as like the real hunters but no no he's a real fucking hunter like yeah i mean it's like alice cooper's a real golfer you know i mean yeah he's a he's a kick-ass golfer you know there's different guys like that's a kick-ass golfer, you know? There's different guys like that.

I mean, that's the thing about being an artist, being a performer. I think you go at things with pretty much full gusto, you know, and your hobbies, you know? Look at Ron Wood's paintings, you know? I mean, things like that. It's like we always act surprised, like, well, Ron Wood can paint too? Well, yeah. And it's like, okay, perfect segue. So me yeah you know and it's like okay perfect segue

so me as survivor man and the whole thing of me playing my music it's like that's why i blew harmonica on all those shows was to say to people with a little wink of my yeah i'm not a one-trick pony here man i don't just do firebows that's why you did the harmonica that's well it's one of the reasons you fucking dragged an amp out there with a life raft next time you pull an ax you got like an hour's worth of battery and you chose to play voodoo child on the beach that's right just yeah that would send a message wait for my traps that's how confident i am in surviving i'm gonna blow some blues and my ax skills perfect segue why don't we do one yes please yeah um what's the name of the song you're gonna do um let's see what What do I got? Oh, yeah.

We're going to do... Yeah. You ready, Danny? You can set up? Okay. So, Danny... He's a showbiz man. That's an awesome segue.

Danny Weiss is... Weiss. See, that's how new of a friend Danny is to me. Danny Weiss is a brand new friend of mine. I just met him here in your studio. And good friends of good friends of mine. And a phenomenal guitar player of too many names to mention but we've got Iron Butterfly, Alice Cooper

name a few. Name a few. Go ahead Danny. Bette Midler. You were doing so good and then you hit Bette Midler. I hit Lou Reed. Okay Lou Reed. Back to Lou Reed. So Danny's a phenomenal guitar player and I've just my friends have connected me with him. I'm just kidding about Bette Midler. I actually like

Bette Midler. I like The Rose. I saw her show in Vegas. The Rose is a good fucking song. Sorry. So we're going to do I'll do What is the name of the I'll play

I'll just play in the air. I'm going to take the headphones off. Okay. Alright. Can I hear you? Alright. Nice tattoo. Alright.

It's good that I got a beer to drink. We'll just warm up a bit Renaissance man Yeah yeah Man of many skills Can live Out in the fucking woods By himself

And Knows how to jam folks I don't want a woman got fancy clothes. I don't want a woman got rings in her nose. Don't want a woman got rings in her nose. Don't want a woman do what she's supposed to do. I just want a woman with a nice tattoo. It could be on her arm, right across her chest. She could have one on her legs. Say slip her when wet I don't care what that girl

Liked to do, no As long as it's a woman With a nice tattoo Woo! Let me do what I do As long as it's a woman with a nice tattoo It could be on her arm Right across her chest She could have one on her legs So slip away

I don't care what that girl like to do So slip away. Well, well. I don't care what that girl like to do. As long as it's a woman with a nice tattoo. ¶¶ All kind of women around this world Big fat mamas and skinny girls All kind of women make me do what I do As long as it's a mama with a nice tattoo It could be on her arm Right across her chest

She could have one on her ass Says slipper when wet I don't care what that girl Like to do No Long as it's a woman With a nice tattoo last time

yeah Yeah, man. That's proud. There we go, man. That was cool. Thanks, Danny. You're welcome. That was awesome. That was fun, dude. If I was a chick, I'd let you fuck me.

If I was at a bar and you were playing there, I'd be like, I'll let this guy fuck me. Booze is all about... You want to go hunting, man? I would do things to that booze, man. Yeah, because they say, you know, like those kind of songs are like, they're like putting ideas in a girl's head.

And then you get off the stage, and she's like, I can't believe how good your music sounds. Les Stroud. I just knew you from Survivor Man you know what rock and roll is all about isn't it it must be

it's very compelling you know someone who can make awesome sounds it's incredibly compelling to people you know I told you earlier

that I read the Greg Almond autobiography and he was talking he said he had no luck with women whatsoever and then he started to sing the second he sung on stage he got this cute little long blonde haired that I read the Greg Almond autobiography. And he was talking about it. He said he had no luck with women whatsoever. And then he started to sing.

The second he sung on stage, he got this cute little long blonde haired dude. And he starts singing, you know, Stormy Monday, you know, and all that. You know, and yeah, that was it. Yeah, it's a great fucking songs. Oops. Even some of the later stuff, like I'm No Angel.

That's a great fucking song, that's that guy had some real soul to his voice absolutely that was a voice of a man who's had real life experiences real regrets total yeah yeah yeah and the book pulls no punches you know it's a life of drugs and alcohol and redemption and women and man there's a lot going on in life like that down there might be your man i don't know so much good fucking music man the almond well you know that's one of the new things too musically is coming out i i didn't you know i started listening to uh uh what's that the the serious the satellite thing jam jam something i can't remember the name of the station jam Jam On.

And they're playing, you know, Widespread Panic and Government Mule and Almond Brothers with Derek Trucks and they're playing all this stuff. And so that's new stuff and fish. And it's great. These guys went from hack noodlers to pro top players now.

You know, they were hack noodlers back in the day when they were starting. Now, they're great, you know, and they're playing really super well and the warren haynes and all these guys it's great stuff you know and i'm and i miss that you know just some letting somebody go i'm sure danny has had his share of just you know shredding and cutting loose and going and you know i do this thing when i play with my band and my guitar player you know oj god bless him he's a great player's really creative, but he'll do the solo. And I know he'll do a solo based on, okay,

it's time to end the solo. And if I'm having a great night and I think he's got it, I'll go, no, you're not done. And I'll turn my back to him on stage and go, no, sorry,

man, you're not done. Keep fucking playing, man. Keep playing. And I, and I just go, you got it.

You went to the top. Now go past it. You know? Yeah. When you watch somebody go off, we had... Stevie Ray Vaughan. Andrew Dice Clay, believe it or not, his son Max is an incredible drummer. And we played a video of him at the Improv in Hollywood. And it's ridiculous how good he is.

I mean, what is he, 21? Yeah, he's very young, but he's been playing drums his whole life. I mean, he's fucking incredible. He's been playing drums his whole life so i mean he's fucking incredible he's like like a professional i mean it's like well kids kids these days right i mean man they're starting young very quickly you got 12 year old shredders yeah you didn't have 12 year old kids shredding in the 70s yeah way more to listen to and youtube internet you could learn how to do everything now when i want to learn a new track go, okay, let's see, how do I play that song? I just YouTube it, and there's some guy sitting there going,

and then you go to this chord, and what you don't know is he detuned it and put a capo on. And you're going, oh! That's how he does that. It's crazy. We're free. We're free. Yeah.

Yeah. We live in strange times. It is strange. But again, Joe, I keep coming back to the same thing. I mean, you know, obviously you and I both like fights, right? The UFC. We like the martial arts, mixed martial arts, all that stuff. Yes, I love it.

So that is a stage. It's real, and it's right then and there. And rock and roll or good music, if not rock and roll, just good music, right country, I don't care what you got, pop, right then and there is when it's all, you know, it comes down. You've got like this drummer guy you're talking about. Man, if they can do it right then and there, it's's all you know it comes down you've got like this drummer guy you're talking about man if they can do it right then and there it's it's an awesome thing it's nothing like it and that's why i love performing so much because with survivor man and beyond survival and shark week and all the film stuff i don't know for months and and and

well though nowadays a little quicker with the websites and stuff it's like oh we loved your episode last night but when you've got people in a crowd and there's 8,000 people and you've got 90 minutes with 8,000 people, it's a lot of energy. And it lives or dies right there. You know that very second. You know how to win them back and pull them back if you thought you lost them for a second. And that's intense.

I love that stuff. I love the stage. Yeah, well, it's certainly intense. What people don't understand about mixed martial arts, a lot of people think it's brutish behavior or they think that it's thugs or violent assholes. It's hard for them to wrap their heads around it, but they really are artists.

You're expressing yourself and you're expressing your... When you watch someone execute beautifully inside the octagon to me when i say beautiful i'm not saying because i'm running out of adjectives i'm saying because it is beautiful to me to me when i watch like a great performance inside the octagon it's like a work of art and it's dedication and focus over years and intelligence and learning and adapting and changing and modifying and and constantly assessing until you build your skills up to the point where you have extreme competency you know like when i see a guy like anderson silva inside the octagon i see him

he's putting on a fucking show no no no one more clear than any than than anderson there's never been a more clear example in his last fight he called the guy who's fighting stephen bonner called him to come to me and he put his back against the cage like come on hit me and he just stood in front of him and let stephen bonner throw punches from inches away and just slipped him and cracked him then threw him on the ground and kneed him in the chest it It was a masterful ballet of violence. It was a beautiful performance, an artistic expression of who Anderson Silva is. He's a fucking artist.

But people have a hard time accepting the concept of an artist attached to something as violent as damaging a person. But it's just because they're looking at it wrong. It's not a violent act in the sense of normal violent acts where somebody finds someone and picks on them or starts a fight with them for no reason. It's a contest of great significance and repercussion. That's what it is. You're looking at it as violence because those techniques can be used in a violent act. And even though it's violent in its description, it's not an act of violence.

It's an act of competition and the expression of character. That's why the best fights move souls, change lives. Dudes start jogging. You see that expression of character when somebody really puts a training camp together and really develops their skills to the point where they're at a manny pacquiao level or you know something someone like sugar ray leonard was that shit that's that kind of shit that's art that's art i agree with you i think it is art i think and i think seeing that kind of passion in people no matter what genre they're in you know we could you know is is hugely motivating, hugely inspirational. Every single day, sorry, this is circling it back,

but every single day alone in the wilderness, I would sit on the edge of a lake about to film day three of Survivorman or whatever, and I would say to myself, whatever it is I do, let it result in being inspirational to somebody's life and affect them in a positive way. And then I would stop that and I would think, don't be an idiot, Les. You're making a shelter.

What's inspirational about that? And then I started getting these emails from people. You got me through eight months on my back in a hospital bed watching your shows. My son and I were estranged, but because of your shows, we got back together again. I left an abusive relationship because of your shows. Because of my shows, all I'm doing is building a freaking shelter.

And so when you connect, like with the fights as well, it's the same. When you see people embroiled passionately in what they do, like De Silva, like so many others, you can't help but be inspired by it, I think, and affected by it. That's fascinating. i think those people that are saying that you're changing their life it's it's probably the government trying to get close to you and they're just trying that's normal no i mean i'm a canadian they don't care i think they don't try to get closest in canada you you most certainly changed people's idea

of of uh how thin like our attachment to surviving really is, like how little we really know and how much we're dependent on this whole system that we have set up, the cities, and delivering food. I did a show once. I'm sorry, Discovery Channel, I love you, but I'm so embarrassed by the show we did, which was Surviving Urban Disasters,

and primarily because I didn't produce the show, and I regret it to this day. And it was all about how to survive an urban disasters, and primarily because I didn't produce the show, and I regret it to this day. And it was all about how to survive an urban disaster, right? You know, fill your bathtub up with water, that sort of stuff. Right. You know, just all sorts of little tricks and tips. And now, nowadays, you can bet every time there's a Hurricane Sandy or anything like

that, I get phone calls from the news centers if I'll go on and do an interview about, you know, what do people need to know about surviving through this stuff. And it still amazes me to this day, though, just how lacking in common sense I think most people are. It's like, well, hurricane coming. Think about the same thing that Survivor Man always says,

shelter, food, and water. What else do you got to think about? Whether or not you're going to be able to play Call of Duty that night? Shelter, food, and water, man. Unfortunately unfortunately for a lot of people that seems like an abstract idea It doesn't seem to be really registering in their head the idea that you could have no food or no water like their whole life It's true in supermarkets go to the store get your food go the restaurant get your food. The idea of it is abstract Hey, I take every once in a while

I'll do you know one of those corporate, and I'll take some people out. One night, one night overnight, and they're freaking. People go four hours without food. My son will say, oh, I'm starving, and I'm like, dude, seriously? You've got the wrong father to say I'm starving to. It's like you've been four hours without a hot dog. Like, relax. Yeah, no shit.

What's the longest you've gone without eating? Probably 10 days i guess whoa yeah a few pine nuts and things thrown in there maybe a frog or two so i don't know if that's that was one of the new shows no that was actually before survivor man really yeah with the new shows well i guess with the new shows yeah i guess in mexico i got a squid i found and some clams and some stuff like that and in norway i got the deer carcass so there's a few things you found a deer carcass yeah well it was one of those things where i mean i knew there was hunters up there i mean i knew them i knew there'd be hunting going on up there i knew there would probably be carcasses left

around up in that area where i was going to be so so i did i wasn't set up but i knew that that that you know potential was there um and sure enough, I traveled around and found a hunter's cabin, which was part of surviving, right? Doing a good B&E is part of survival sometimes, right? Yeah, you'd be stupid if you stayed outside in igloo. It's like, no, it's ethically wrong to go through that window. I will just freeze out here. And there was a deer carcass there.

Oh, so someone had shot it and left it there left the did they take some of it out oh yeah all the meat was gone it was just the guts and stuff

but there's a lot of food when you've got a liver they left the liver yeah it was like that big Norwegian deer liver oh wow

deer liver's delicious very proud of that show that was the first 10 days on the Norway one does frog or toad taste any different well I don't I don't eat toad actually you don't eat days on the Norway one. Does frog or toad taste any different?

Well, I don't eat toad, actually. You don't eat toad? Yeah. Really? Yeah, I haven't had toad at all. How come you never had a toad? I don't know. I will next show if you want me to.

I'll take it in with me. As far as how they're related? Toads are dry land. It's a dry land amphibian and frogs are water amphibians. But do people eat both? There's probably a biologist somewhere going, oh, dude, they're just getting that so wrong. Probably.

I don't know. I've never heard of eating a toad. You've eaten a toad? No, I grew up with a lot of toads in Ohio. Did you eat them? No, I didn't eat them. Did anybody eat them? I kissed them a lot, but I don't see them anymore.

Did anyone become a prince? No. I don't think. Is that a toad? No, I think you just get a black dude if you kiss a toad. Oh, is it? Frog turns into the prince. So they eat frog legs.

That's very common. Frog legs are great. People eat toad legs. They do taste like chicken. I don't think people eat toad, but somebody's going to get right in now anyway. I'm sure someone's eating them. Yeah. There's people eating a lot of shit out there.

When I was in... I remember when I was in Costa Rica and I was setting up to do the Costa Rican Survivor Man show, and this was before the show started. And we're standing in this little hut. And it was upstairs. And I hear this person walking up the steps. Was it Bigfoot? Like that. Costa Rican Bigfoot.

No. Apparently he's not in the jungle. And finally, it was freaking me out. So I take my flashlight. I go around. It was a frog the size of a saucer pan, and he was going up the steps. Clump.

Wow. Clump. This is a massive Costa Rican frog. Huge. These guys are gigantic down there. I thought that would be a good meal. I love toads. Whoa.

Steak dinner. Would you have eaten that? Yeah, if I'd found them a week later when I was filming Survivor Man, I would have for sure. That's probably tough to kill. That's a big fucking... No, you probably just

sit on it it's not like Hollywood they don't have fangs or anything has anybody died from frogs well and they also

they have the poison tip frogs in Costa Rica yeah what is the deal with those they've got the poison on their skin you touch that touch it to your eye

you're dead whoa there's a lot of shit in the rainforest that's designed to get rid of people. I know. You stayed in the Amazon, I'm sure. Yeah, the Amazon, I'll tell you, the thing about the Amazon is there's just so much there that's poisonous. And you know what it is?

It's not the snakes. It's not the spiders. It's not jaguar. It's not other creepypastas. It's the ants. Every time it's the ants. The ants are the worst part of the snakes. It's not the spiders. It's not jaguar. It's not other creepypastas. It's the ants. Every time it's the ants. The ants are the worst part of the jungle because there's so many of them, and they all hurt like hell. And the bullet ants are worse.

The bullet ants are like – you get stung by a bullet ant. First of all, its bum is like a wasp, and then it's got big teeth on the front end. It's about two inches long. And what it does is it sinks its teeth into you and then it shoves its bum stinger into you and they say it's like taking a scorching red hot pair of pliers jamming it into your skin squeezing as hard as you can twisting as hard as you can and holding that for five hours oh and that's a bullet ant god sting yeah and you can google uh these the the if it's the theadani people and different,

they actually have a coming-of-age thing where the young men take a glove, they build a glove out of twigs, and they trap on the glove like 30 of these ants. And your thing is you have to shove your hand into the glove. Yeah, we played it on the podcast. You saw that? I believe we played it. It podcast you saw that i believe we played it but yeah we tense it's insane the amount of like disconnect that you must have to have the tolerance six of those things can bring a full man full-grown man down and put them out i think the guy the show that i watched i think the host tried it i think the host

no really yeah i think it was some english guy let himself get jacked by the bullet ants, if I remember correctly. There was a bunch of young men who were doing it as a rite of passage. There's a lot of that. Did you see the series Beyond Survival? No, I did not. Okay, so you've got to check that out. Because that was a series I did where I survived around the world with remote indigenous peoples. And I did ceremonies. I got tattooed with remote indigenous peoples and I did ceremonies I got tattooed

with a stick and a nail where was that? in by the Mentwai in Sumatra and a tattoo on the side too it's like a stick and a nail

and then I did voodoo ceremonies seed ceremonies trance dances all the stuff I did around the world and and we did

plant medicines in the Amazon jungle with the Incan people and the Guarani and that it was a very very intense series I can't remember why I went to that series but in any event it showed

a lot of these crazy ass ceremonies and combined with survival so there the distinction wasn't made between spiritual survival and physical survival. And I said that, I went there to learn what's their spiritual survival

in the jungles and deserts and places like this. And so it all was these wicked-ass ceremonies where they are connecting to the ancients and connecting to the earth and learning how to survive but doing all these things,

you know, as well. And so I got to partake in a lot of the ceremonies and do them. That was pretty intense. So that series, the reason why, I'll say this,

this is the behind-the-scenes crap, but the reason why Beyond Survival, it did very well, it rated very well. The problem was they didn't put my name in the title. I know that sounds horribly pretentious, but I said,

look, if you're flicking the dial and you're looking at the screen and it's got all the different shows listed and you see Beyond Survival but you don't see Les Stroud's Beyond Survival, you're just going on and you're going to watch CSI. It's true. But if they'd said Les Stroud's Beyond Survival, all the Survivorman fans would have gone, ah, okay. That's funny that that's like an egotistic thing to say. I know it is.

But it's right. So you're supposed to say it. It's like one of those things where you're right though. It's unquestionable. so you're supposed to say it. It's like one of those things where you're right, though. It's unquestionable. Like for me personally, if I saw Beyond Survivor,

I probably wouldn't. But if I saw Les Stroud's Beyond Survivor, like, oh, Survivor Man, dude. I'll check that shit out. No different than with you. You could have like UFC podcast or something, something podcast, but Joe Rogan's name's not in it. It's like, oh, well, maybe I might listen. I might check it out.

Then I see, oh, it's Joe Rogan's UFC podcast. Oh, I could check that out. We should totally do that, but I would probably get sued. The problem is the shit that I'd say Oh it's Joe Rogan's UFC podcast Oh I gotta check that out We should totally do that But I would probably get sued The problem is The shit that I can say On this podcast I don't want to like

Connect that With the UFC podcast Well that's a different thing So then I'd have to like Tone myself down And I'd fucking ruin it Steve-O was the one That by the way

They did the bullet Ants glove thing Yes Oh Steve-O did it On Wild Boys or Jackass He's so crazy Yeah Wild Boys And he also

I remember that, but it put him in the hospital. Yeah, it did. It was fucking weird. Have you ever encountered a Brazilian wandering spider? No.

You never heard of it? No. Oh my God, really? No, I'm going to Brazil in December. Oh Jesus, dude. The Brazilian wandering spider, you gotta look this up

because it's a spider that stings you and first of all, it gives you the most unbelievably painful erection. Because it jolts your production of nitric oxide and injects it in some sort of a venom form from this spider. And you get, like, literally die with a heart on. Like, your whole body stiffens up.

And if you do survive, it's the most toxic spider known to man. And if you do survive. Really? Yeah, if you do survive, it's the most toxic spider known to man. And if you do survive, your dick's dead forever. Your sexuality is ruined. It's called the Brazilian wandering spider. It's unbelievably painful, apparently. Well, they're trying to figure out how to use its venom to make the next hard-on drug. They're going to make something that just kicks Viagra right in the dick. Yeah, that's the...

That's right, baby. I took some spider tonight. And it wanders on the floor. There it is right there. Is that it? Yeah. That motherfucker will kill you with a boner. I bet this guy will explain that so you don't think I'm crazy. That's a mean look. Look at the spider.

Yeah, back it up because it'll tell you about what it does to men. That's a mean look. Look at him. Look at the spider. And scientists are still not entirely sure about the effects on women. Yeah, back it up because it'll tell you about what it does to men. And scientists are still not entirely sure about the effects on women. The male brain actually mistakes the chemicals in the spider venom for the chemicals that the male brain normally uses to trigger an erection, hence the bizarre symptoms. Now consider this. This little spider has been doing that kind of thing for millions of years. The man has only just designed a drug that does broadly the same thing. Now how lucky was that? Okay, he's way too obsessed with boners.

I'm obsessed with that being a terrifying fucking way to die. Die with a boner. That's the thing. I mean, you know, there's things down in the Amazon jungles where Brazil, you know, Brazil, that it's, when I was down there and I was training off the Wadani and we learned to survive,

he was telling us a story through interpreter. He had actually, was, blowgun hit a monkey up in the tree had to climb up the tree to get the monkey 60 feet in the air and he just said the canopy right so he just barely grazed just brushed a caterpillar and the electric jolt was so powerful that it jolted him right out of the tree and down 60 feet. Oh, my God. And he didn't break a single bone in his body, but he spent two weeks in the hospital,

and his entire body was black, just went black, total black color. Just blood everywhere. Everything black. And they found one entomologist that was in Brazil that had an antidote for that caterpillar. I mean, so the stuff that's in the Amazon jungle is just bizarre. It still freaks me out.

I go down there, and like I said, but it's the ants. I'm getting the itchies thinking about it. It's the ants that always get to me when I go down there. Yeah, my friend Brian Callen wanted to be a naturalist, and he spent one summer vacation or trip, rather, in school where they went to the rainforest. And they had to sleep on these elevated platforms. And they would cover the posts with, like, chemicals to keep the ants off of it. And he said when you were up there sleeping, you could literally hear the ants walking.

That's right. Yeah, that's right. There's so many of them that's what you hear that it's like that that is fucking it's terrifying it's not fun there's nothing fun about trying to sleep on the floor in the amazon through that shit i'm not i'm not even sure how i did the shows i did do down there because sometimes i think about going down again to do like you know a 10-day thing and i think man i don't know if I was just like lucky the first couple of times, cause I'm going to get down there and one wrong move. And I've got, you know,

a fertile on snake or a spider or a poison dart frog or a bullet ant, you know? And if, and I was sleeping on the ground the whole time. Right. So dude, you didn't make any kind of structure or anything. Yeah. I slept off the, off the ground by about a foot and a half on poles. I mean, you know, the ants don't care. on poles. I mean, you know, the ants don't care. The ants are above your head. Yeah.

You know, and it was... They're walking from tree to tree. Yeah. And they're big, big, big. Those bullet ants are so big, you only get 60 in a nest. Oh, my God. That's how big they are, you know?

And I saw... Oh, just... Oh, man. At one point, I saw six in a row. I thought, I got to be near a nest somewhere. Oh, God. So it's, yeah, that...

I got to admit, I mean, the Amazon jungle... On the other hand i love the amazon jungle and i don't know if that's the tarzan thing or what but i just love the jungle it must be so exciting it's powerful live beautiful dangerous yeah yeah it's really beautiful down there they say that amazon um that uh rather ants can actually take out elephants and that if a sufficient amount of ants find a trail to the elephant's ears, they will literally climb up an elephant's leg and eat him from the ears. Climb into his ears and just start eating his brain. I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know. It sounds... That sounds like the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. But I know that ants, if you're lying on the ground, there's certain army ants that will fuck you up. And people die from them. You know the thing, I got bitten by a couple of army ants.

I saw them going across in a stream and I wanted to film them, a stream of ants. And I put the camera down, about three or four inches from the stream. I thought, no big deal. They'll just keep walking across in front of my lens and I get this cool shot of the ants going by. I literally put it down.

Just as I barely touched the ground, I swear to you, the ants from over there jumped over, like jumped onto the camera in my hand. Like, boop, boop, boop, like that. I was like, ow! And I instantly bit my hands like that. They just started attacking. Yeah, they just attacked. These were army ants.

They were big-ass army ants too. And then on the other hand, we had some ants come through the hut one night beforehand and the way that we they were going under my hammock

and what we did was we took a fire and we scraped the ground in front of them with a fire to break because they all

travel on pheromones it's all done through pheromone scent right they follow each other on the pheromone trail and you have to break that trail

with fire and we were guiding them and so they made a new trail because we guided have to break that trail with fire. And we were guiding them. And so they made a new trail because we guided them to go over this way and away from the hut. I was shown that by the Wadani, which is just using the fire thing. Because it's all pheromone instinctive stuff. That's why, if you've ever seen, if anybody's ever seen those YouTube videos of the spiral of death, they lose the scent of whoever the fuck is in the lead.

And they just spiral around in a circle until they starve to death. Really? What, ants? Have you never seen that? No. Brian, it's crazy. Spiral of death. Pull up video of ant death spiral. This is going to freak you out.

If you've never seen this before. It's a rare occurrence, apparently, but the ants get confused when they lose a scent, and they don't know who the fuck they're following and they get in these they look like hurricanes they get in these spinning hurricanes of ants and then they they spin in the circle until they all die yeah it's called a death spiral it's fucking fascinating man it's it's rarely filmed it's not that common but that's it right there look at that there that's essentially that looks to me like a galaxy.

It looks like a hurricane. It's craziness. If you've never seen it, you have to Google it because it doesn't even seem like it's real. It's this insane amount of ants. And at the top, in the middle rather, in the center, there is so many of them that they're piled up. Like many, many times over, like 10, 10 20 ants high and they're all just trampling each other and why do they think they think it's because it's a fundamental thing there's an error yeah there's an error and they don't know what they lost uh their scent they don't know what

they're doing oh seriously man billy doesn't know the way yeah i know the way guys dude i know where i'm going trust me it's a fascinating thing to to watch, though, because it's just an error in nature. That's the thing I've been really super fortunate with all the film work that I've done has been to see the beauty that I've seen. You know, the Andes Mountains, the Amazon jungle. Dude, your Bigfoot story is still freaking me out. I've got to be honest. That 50-foot-away howling ape while you're in this tent. Jesus Christ, man.

When you're in Alaska. Jesus. That, to me, is the ultimate. If I had one question that I could ask where I could find out one truth about the world, I would ask about Bigfoot.

Really? If you could talk to God. I'd say, I would ask about Bigfoot. Really? If you could talk to God. I'd say, come on, dude. Is there anything out there? Come on. That would be it? Well, I would ask about this life. I would ask about an afterlife, maybe,

if I had options about looking towards the future. I want the dirt on the squash, man. Yeah, I don't want to know, dude. I need to know, is Bigfoot real? And UFOs. I would have to go with UFOs before Bigfoot. Yeah. But they're right up there with me.

Both would make me equally happy. You see that new footage? To the meaning of life. Yeah. Have you ever seen, sorry. Have you seen that new footage in Denver? Yeah. Where they actually, like the television channel went down to actually check it out.

Yeah. And they're like, yeah, that's fucked up. We don't even know what that is. Yeah, but you know, there's a lot of military shit going on in Denver. And guess what? They don't that's fucked up. We don't even know what that is. Yeah, but there's a lot of military shit going on in Denver. And guess what? They don't tell those people nothing. When you find out that there's... The idea is that in the next decade,

there's going to be 30,000 drones flying above the city streets. 30,000 in this country. You don't think they might just start that now? What, do they have to wait until 10 years? They already have permission to put drones anywhere they want. So when I see something that's floating over a city, a bunch of people film it, I'm like, that's probably some government shit they're working on.

I think a lot of that stuff is pretty, you know, if you don't get caught up in it, conspiracy theory is fascinating. You know, I listen to it lots of times. I've been doing a long drive from Toronto. I'll throw on George Norrie's Coast to Coast and check that out. I was actually on it one time. Were you really? Yeah, I was like a caller in.

Did you ever talk to Art Bell? No, I was talking to George. He's the OG. Yeah. The Art Bell shows were special. Yeah. Because Art Bell never questioned you, no matter how fucking crazy you were. Yeah.

He'd call up, Art, I'm a werewolf. Really? For how long? Yeah. How did you get bitten? Where were you? Tell us your story. The guy would tell you some story about it.

Oh, yeah. I was in Romania. I was on a hunting trip. It's good AM radio in the middle of like 2 in the morning driving home on a long, dark night, and you're just listening to that stuff. Art Bell is the best. And he introduced me to Terrence McKenna in a way, because one of the first terrence mckenna

recordings that i ever heard was uh someone had taken a um one of the uh art bell shows and put it online it was like from the 90s and uh it was uh terrence mckenna from hawaii on a like a wireless uh radio spectrum internet connection it was was really fascinating. So Art Bell had some really interesting people on his show, as well as wackadoos who were playing conversations backwards to find hidden meaning in what someone was trying to say. That's the spice. But when they bring in those MIT guys and some of these big thinkers, it's pretty fascinating to listen to these people talk.

And it's like, oh, this is so-and-so, and he's like, you know, his SAT is 10,000, or I don't know, I don't know what you call it in America, but it's just super huge intelligent people, and it's pretty fascinating to hear them go through and covering all the different bases of conspiracies. Man, this dude doesn't sound like a wacko, you know? Then you get the phone callers.

That's a different story. When you get the phone callers in, that's like, yeah, well, my grandfather is an alien. I can prove it. Yeah. There's dudes who call. He had a line. If you could call that line, if you were from the future, he would give that line out. If you're a time traveler, there's a time traveler line.

If you're just putting out a time, you're just asking for assholes. Okay? Come on, man. How many time travelers are there? They need their own line. Yeah, and then you finally get through and they ask you,

man, your line was busy the whole time. It was busy a long time. I've been calling for 47 years. It was busy. Yeah, why couldn't you go back in time to when it wasn't busy? Don't you have a good time machine? It's just a one-shot deal.

If time travel does happen, yeah, you're going to be able to do it all the time? Or is it like you get one shot at it, and then there's no time machine if you go back in time? See, now that's a way to think about it. And then you have to choose which area you're going. Are you going to go to the dinosaurs? Are you going to go to the 60s? What would you do? If you could do, say if there was a time machine that could put you for one week in an era,

the Paleolithic, the Jurassic, you could live at one point in time. Could humans live during the dinosaur era? Was it too hot? How hot was it? I don't know. I think, you know when you see the new version of King Kong? Every time I saw a dinosaur movie,

I always thought the same thing. How come they never show really big ass killer insects and then finally when they did the new King Kong they got attacked by all those it's like yeah finally

that's right that's what it would be like you'd be a human and you'd get eaten by like a dragonfly because a dragonfly would be you know this big

so I don't know I think I have no idea I'm sure there's paleontologists right now just like rolling their eyes going oh man these idiots don't know what they're talking about. I'm sure there's paleontologists right now just rolling their eyes going, oh, man, these idiots don't know what they're talking about. Dude, if you could go back in time with a fucking camera

and film you surviving around dinosaurs, that would be the dopest show in the history of the world. If they invent a time machine within the next five years, promise me you will do Survivor Man, Jurassic Era. You would probably benefit from a time machine more than anybody except people who would like steal gold

and hide it someplace then know where it is in the future those people would benefit the most but if you could keep it ethical you would benefit

more than anybody you would be able to go back to a fucking dinosaur era and make a show what would you do you would have to hide in the ground

you'd have to dig a hole I'd hang out with the brontosaurus because they're like we know they're gentle. Yeah, but they're so big they're just going to step on your head while you're sleeping probably. But in Steven Spielberg they were nice. They probably weren't though.

No, they probably weren't at all. Steven Spielberg, man. He wants to make aliens nice. Everybody's nice with that guy. Yeah. The T-Rex in Jurassic Park. I will never forget that scene where the kids were in that truck and the T-Rex comes over the fence. And what's really amazing, that was like one of the first movies that really utilized CGI to the point where you got a realistic sense of what an animal like that would be built like and what it would be physically capable of.

It's so hard to think that that was all over the planet. Like they had a bunch of different kinds. They were enormous. Actually, right now, you know all the dino digs they've done, they've only actually found 10% of what they figure actually existed. So we've got 10,000 dinosaurs that they know about, but there's hundreds of thousands of mammals on this planet that we know about. So they're just scratching the surface of what was here.

I know, but I think as humans, if we walked in dinosaur time, I mean, the bottom line is we'd just be fodder. Yeah, they'd get us too quick. But I love the fact that there's people possessed to study that and give me that information. I am so appreciative of that. Because if it was up to me to find out how long dinosaurs... There's the scene.

There's the scene right there with the T-Rex. God damn, that was terrifying it seems so realistic man did you just put music on this you son of a bitch stop it brian i know what you're doing look at that fucking thing i'll still watch this movie just for this. Just for this, I'll watch this movie for it. This fucking movie rules. That thing is so evil looking. The idea that this planet had a fuckload of those running around at one point in time.

Boy, we are so lucky that that asteroid hit the Yucatan. We are so fucking lucky could you imagine how about this you're on the fucking highway and this thing steps up and flips a cab over in front of you and you're just hitting the gas it's like people who live around mountain lines and go well you know we have to respect the fact that they were always here the fuck you do Better kill that dinosaur son I think it's going to eat everybody We're so lucky those things aren't here anymore Well we wouldn't be if they were that's for sure

I wonder if people would try to bring them back though If they were here and we killed them off People are so dumb they would try to bring them back Pull the Jurassic thing Well they're doing that thing with crocodiles in Florida They were almost done No scary monsters They like eat dogs and jump up on fucking boardwalks and snatch dogs from six feet in the air.

And now they're bringing back the crocodile population and they're eating dogs now. In Florida? Yeah. One of them pulled a dog off a six foot dock, jumped out of the water and snatched this dog right in front of their friends. But we had saltwater crocs in Florida. We have saltwater crocs in Florida because they all hover around the edge of the Everglades. But they were on the brink of extinction.

But you know about the python too, right? Yes. That's a huge problem down there. We've shown the picture of the python eating the alligator. We've shown it like ten times on the show. So wrap your head around that. It's eating a fucking alligator. that's how crazy these snakes are like that's like that jennifer lopez movie right remember that that movie anaconda anaconda yeah yeah like they literally like i mean not quite that big but pretty fucking close it's eating an alligator

there's an alligator in its body which basically by extrapolation if it can eat an alligator like that it can eat you fuck yeah yeah, it can eat you. When I was doing the Shark Week shows, and we were down and we'd be diving with all the different sharks. I tell you, there's all the sharks in the world, and then there's the great white shark. And it's a different beast altogether. It's just like a big truck, a big bus, with a mouth on the front end. And the thing about the great whites, I was in a cage. I had it rammed.

It was an 18-foot great white came up. Oh, my God. When you see the other sharks coming, you get that classic sort of shark movement, you know, side-to-side movement. When a great white, it's just this big feeding tube in the water, and it just moves slowly towards you. And at the one point, I was in a solo cage and this 18 footer, we were calling it the Megalodon, it came and it came slowly, slowly, slowly, up slowly and right

towards me. And just all he did was like bump my cage, like a little bump with his nose. But of course that he's 18 feet, it was like, bam, crap, you know, and throws me back. And I was in the cage and I had this much space. I had like four inches in front of my face that I could actually, that he's 18 feet it was like bam crap you know and throws me back and i and i was in the cage and i had this much space i had like four inches in front of my face that i could actually that's all the distance i had and so i had a great mouth great white mouth like right there four inches in front of your face in front of my face so shooting that shooting the great white scenes for shark week was one of the most exhilarating things i ever did it's intense god and p and all the shark divers out there they know how beautiful it is to dive with the sharks i've i've hand-fed most of the species ridden on the backs of most of you hand-fed a great white

i hand-fed a great white jesus christ what the fuck is wrong with you the fuck is wrong with you man have we not learned enough from the crocodile hunter yeah well those are stingrays well it's all i mean it could it was a stingray that got him but i mean that guy he really handled everything dangerous yeah crocodile remember the picture was feeding a crocodile was holding his baby yeah that was he took a lot of heat for that rightly so that's crazy you got a goddamn 20 foot dinosaur in front of you and you're also holding a baby i don't like to be around dogs when i'm holding a baby yeah you know yeah yeah you know you're like i don't know that dog get out of here yeah this guy's got a crocodile and it's his idea it's not just wandering through the

woods oh shit i was with my baby and i saw a crocodile what to do luckily i had a chicken i threw it the crocodile's way and distracted it guy... Luckily, I had this chicken. Not for that. That crikey. Sometimes those really big sharks can break those cages, can't they? Well, we had one great white that they were bringing in so I could film.

I'm with a cameraman. I got a camera. We're trying to film this great white and it's a big fella and they were bringing it in close to the cage and they're doing it with a rope and a fish head

and they're not supposed to let the great white get a hold of the fish head because then all hell will break loose because it's got the big thick rope and it's attached to the boat. Sure enough, the great white gets a full bite on the fish head. And so we're now in the water in a cage with a great white and it shimmies around and the great white gets in between the boat and our cage. So we got a 16-foot, 17-foot great white shark that is this wide as he's in front of me. I mean, that's a thing like, you know, the girth of these beasts is incredible.

And you see when you're under the water, he could pretty much take me in one gulp, like one gulp and he could do it. That's the amazing thing of a great white shark. They're so powerful. And so he's in between the cage and the boat and our cage was held on by two ropes for goodness sake so we're in the water with a cage held on by two ropes and this shark is bam crash bam crash and if you google anything me on shark week you can see it i forget which one it was uh that was the one that was one of the times i was really super super freaked out i was like this is not good you know because he's going to break the

ropes and we're going to cage is going to to break the ropes and we're going to, the cage is going to sink to the bottom and we're going to like, our ears are going to blow out as we go down and the shark's out there so we're going to have

to hop out of the cage where the great white is. Oh my God. It was insane. It was insane. How long could you stay down there if the cage went to the bottom?

You had scuba gear on? No, I think we were attached by what they call hookah lines. Oh Jesus. A line to the boat so we would have just it would have snapped we would have had no we had to blow out fucking way oh my god i'll tell you what happened too while we were filming that uh this wasn't on the show i went down in the solo cage and they they slammed they slammed

the door like throw the door down it above me right and i go down and they threw the door and it pinched my air hose. So they're lowering me with my air hose pinch and I'm under, I mean, I'm, bam, bam! And I'm punching as hard as I can at the top of the cage

because it's now clicked, right? And I'm punching because they're lowering me down. I got no air. And I got a great white going around, dancing all around the boat. I'm like, finally they pull me up.

Oh man, they opened the cage. I jumped out and just tore a great white going around dancing all around the boat I'm like finally they pull me up oh man they opened the cage I jumped out just tore a strip huge into the guy who did it I just freaked out oh my god

so it was just incompetence threw him off the boat into the sharks actually oh Jesus Christ it was but they had you on camera so they saw that you were freaking out

no no we weren't filming it they were just lowering me down oh my god so it wasn't even, oh, hey, look, we're watching the Sharks now. Wow.

Oh, that's me right there. That's when I got bit. Right there. See, right there. I still got the scar. But that's just, that's just really a little reef shark. Right.

They're not bad. So then Mark, the cameraman, the shark goes right up his arm. Look at that. Right up into his, got his hand in his mouth. Whoa. Oh, my God. Strauss.

I want that guy to narrate my whole life. I want him to narrate everything I do. Joe Rogan took a massive dump before coming to the podcast studio. Thanks to kale shakes and protein made with hemp, it came out smoothly. Frothy loads all over her face. In a world. That guy was so cheesy. But that video was awesome man that was

what happened to the guy how'd you get the shark off his arm it just pull out sort of thing so you ran chain mail chain mail yeah yeah that's that works with the reef sharks it doesn't work with lemon sharks doesn't work with any you know tigers or any of those because they got big teeth it works with the reef sharks because they got small teeth so it's you know it still hurts so it's what the fuck is that brian it's like wearing a glove and having a... Is that a great white? That's a great white, yeah. Fuck that. That will take your leg off.

Apparently, there's a lot of them off the coast of San Francisco. Now, they're a beautiful beast, man. They're a beautiful, beautiful animal. You go down and you swim with a great white, it changes your life. Look at the size of that thing. Are you allowed to catch those? How's that work? I don't know what the rules are.

You can shark fish. I don't know about great whites. I don't know what the rules are. You can shark fish. I don't know about great whites. I don't know what the rules are. Have you been hearing about all those dolphins

getting murdered in Mexico? Is it Mexico or somewhere down south? San Diego or somewhere. No, it wasn't

America. By people or by sharks? By people, man. Yeah, by people is a murder rate situation. Well, I mean,

I'm a huge supporter of Rick O'Barr and his film The Cove, which showed all the – in Taichi, Japan, where they were slaughtering. And they still catch the dolphins and use them for marine parks. And they slaughter the ugly ones for food, and they just still corral them. There's that. I also work with Rob Stewart. He's a friend of mine.

He did the film Shark Water, which exposed shark finning. I got out and spoke against shark finning and stuff. I actually lived with some shark finners when I was doing the Beyond Survival series. I lived with the sea gypsies for a while, and they were in their off hours. They were shark finners. The shark finning doesn't bother me nearly as much

as the dolphin thing. I mean, it's fucked up that you're just taking in animals, fin. It's fucked up, but sharks are scary as shit. I know we need them. Yeah, we need them, man. I mean, like, you wouldn't wipe out the wolves either. You need them, right? I wouldn't wipe out the wolves unless I lived around them.

Then I would go jacking them. Have you ever had a wolf incident? No. They just started to scare me over the last couple of years. I've been scared of basically all animals my entire life and through streaks. So I'm taking you out when I do Survivor Man Bigfoot now. Yes, dude. I will fucking gladly go with you and look for Bigfoot.

I will put you on the other cliff. You can sit over there on that rock. Do we get to bring tents at least? Yeah, we'll take stuff. We'll take stuff. You can eat. I don't mind the idea of going out in the woods and looking for Bigfoot. If you really believe that there's a spot where there might be something,

and it takes less than two weeks. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm doing. Okay. See, you just had that moment of like, shit, what did I just say? I was just thinking about how long it would take and how much time I could take off work and stuff. We could shoot a show.

Yeah, now where would you go? If you had your choice, you would go to Northern California? No, the big thing is BC, Canada. BC, Canada. Go where you saw it already. Which is Alaska. That's Alaska, but I think that'd be, I don't know, I should go back there actually. Do you think there's areas where there's more of them? And what would you base that on?

I think so. Other people who study them. They're all crazy. They're all crazy. There's some whack jobs out there, for sure. Not all of them, but most of them. Not all of them. But most of them.

Not all of them. And by the way, I'm an enthusiast. When I say that they're all crazy, I'm crazy, too. I'm not basing my whole life on it. But when I watch that Finding Bigfoot, they're like, I've been hunting Sasquatch for 25 years. I'm like, okay, that's fucked up. You don't even have a video.

You've been hunting for 25. You need to get out of the house. But you've got your own TV show. Yeah, that's ridiculous. You definitely need to take a different method, that method of going out for one night with a camera crew. I think the Survivorman method will work when it comes to doing it. There's just not a lot of guys that would be willing to do what you do

and live like that. We'll see. Of course, if it happened and it was real, that would be life-changing. Yeah, if you actually did find a Sasquatch, you would be like... That would change a lot. Yeah. People would freak out. You would go on a tour like the

fucking Buffalo Bill in the Wild West days. Like the guy who shot Jesse James? Yeah, something like that. Now, if you did, though... That was Ben Affleck's brother. Would you... If you did find it, what would you want to get? Would you want to get a video, a photograph?

You would never shoot one. I suppose, if it was me, I'd like to get a very crisp and clear and obvious video. But would people believe that? You'd have to tranq one. You know what? When it came to the skunk ape, they didn't believe about the skunk ape. I think it's the Philippines or Vietnam. They didn't believe.

They didn't believe. Oh, no, it's a massive ape. And then a couple of years ago, they got actual video. And all it is is video footage. And now it's like, there it is and all it is is video footage and now it was like there it is there it is you know it's called a skunk ape it's a it's a really big chimpanzee yeah you can google it i can't remember where it was but it's the same situation nobody believed that it existed it was considered to be a myth a legend this gigantic uh chimp and then

there it was huh a skunk ape i thought that's like a nickname for Bigfoot. Yeah, it is apparently. It might be as well, but this was to do with a particular chimpanzee. Huh. Hmm. Yeah, I think there's a nickname, unfortunately, skunk ape. And then the skunk ape nickname is very popular, and it's in reference to a mythical animal from Florida.

No, this was, I think, like Vietnam, maybe? Maybe Philippines. Vietnam, Philippines. Maybe I'll, okay, I'm trying to find it. Yeah, because that looks like Bigfoot stuff you've got going on there. Yeah, that's what all this stuff is. When you look up skunk ape. Because I remember when I was really into Bigfoot, I remember that was like one of the nicknames.

They called it the Florida skunk ape. Hmm. And this thing, they didn't think it was real until recently. They didn't think it was real. The silicone fish as well. I mean, they thought it was extinct for something like 500 million years. And then they found a school of them off the coast of Philippines and New Jersey.

You know, it's big, huge fish. Or the giant squid. And then a couple of years ago, Japanese trawler brings up a squid that's big enough to eat and kill a whale. Did you ever see that video that they got on one of the oil rigs? It's an under really deep, deep water video

of this squid that looks like, Brian, how dare you? The squid looks like a crab. It's the weirdest thing ever. It's a squid with like, crab-like appendages.

Yeah. Pull it up, Brian, because if you haven't seen it. And you think it's real or just a hoax? Oh, it's 100% real. It's from, it's just a weird type of squid

that we didn't know about. Well, they still think, I mean, so much of the ocean is not discovered in terms of species. Yeah, they said that we've only— What are they called? Squid crabs? Crab-like squid? How about that? Crab-like squid? Here, while you're doing that, why don't we sit up and do another tune? Dude, let's do it.

Is that all right? Fuck yeah. What does this one be like? This is my—since we're talking about conservation of animals. I think I'll sit right here, Danny. You're going to sit right there? Yeah, I think I'll sit right here. You can sit with the arms.

Okay. Yeah, I can do it. Okay, here it is. Seriously, Joe, you've got to get this set up like a recording studio. We never, you know, it's very rare that we have bad motherfuckers like you who actually have musical talent. This is the thing. You can see it right here.

Is he on my laptop? Look at this. Les. I'm watching, I'm watching. Oh, you can't see it? It's right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at it.

It looks like an alien. I mean, is that the freakiest thing you've ever seen? It's a real deal, too. It's a real thing. Yeah, it's a real animal. It's just an undiscovered squid. You know, that's the thing about everybody having a camera these days. We're going to start seeing some pretty cool stuff.

Yeah, courtesy of the Shell Oil Company. Thank you, Shell. You're doing God's work. Hopefully Bobo will get some camera footage. Yeah, I think Bobo, he needs to be proven correct. It would help him. Yeah, I think Bobo, he needs to be proven correct. It would help him.

And what is this song, sir? All right, well... So this is... Sorry, man, I actually got to use some cheat sheets here because I haven't really played the song live very much, but it's a new song on a new CD I recorded. And I played it recently in Ottawa. We did sort of full band, and we kind of rocked it out, and it really got a great reaction.

But I'd say, like, a lot of the material I'm doing, you know, I mean, it's starting to be called earth music. It's because, you know, I come by it honestly. I mean called earth music it's because you know I come by it honestly I mean I've survived in jungles and deserts and forests and the Bigfoot thing going on and connecting to the earth so a lot of what I write about is that earth music

you feel like it's inspired I mean I write love songs too but you're inspired by your experiences in the wild. It is. That's it. Powerful-ish music.

All right, let's do this. This is a song called One Giant Farm. Okay. And normally we get... Let's see if we can work this out here. Can we do the intro twice, too? Sure. All right, Danny. Do you want to play it for us, too? Sure.

All right, Danny. I don't know. Hunt the dolphins, kill the whales Bloodstains drip from your sails Farm the forests, farm the seas Long line and strip mine with ease. Corporate farming, corporate mines, will nothing be left behind. I know this world is smaller now, Don't ignore the bitter truth The earth is not one giant farm Go!

Tell me where now can I roam I roam Tell me where now is my home My wilderness home Tell me where now can I go To hear the song of the sea Stop living blindly, hear what I say Yeah, stand there, don't walk away Revolution is coming soon Children today won't be fooled i know

this world is smaller now don't ignore the bitter truth the earth is not one giant farm tell me where now can i roam i roam tell me where now is my home my wilderness home tell me where now can I go To hear the song of the sea guitar solo free the dolphins save the whales and breezes will fill up your sails Love for forests, love for trees I love Mother Earth, won't you please I know I'm feeling stronger now I heed the bitter truth The Earth is not one giant farm. Tell me where now can I roam, I roam.

Tell me where now is my home, my wilderness home. Where now is my home, my wilderness home? Tell me where now can I go, I go? Tell me where now is my home, my wilderness home? Tell me where now can I go to hear the song of the seas? Thank you. Dude, you're a fucking serious musician. Dude. Woo! Dude. All right, man. Thank you. Dude, you're a fucking serious musician. Thank you, man. This has got to be... Is this on?

Yeah. This has got to be... Is it on? Now it's on. Like, such a cool thing for you to be able to do these gigs, and you don't have to do it as an unrecognized musician you could do it as a guy that people already love they're already you know love you from survivor man then they tune into it and you get to get that wave of people that appreciate it

from that yeah but you know what joe that's that's the toughest part is um you know people think you know here's all survivor man's coming into town to the local hall. Oh, is he going to tell stories? Is he a keynote speaker? And trying to get people to understand, no, I'm going to knock yourselves off with some kick-ass music. And I'm going to blow your minds with my harmonica. And I'm going to tell some stories from Survivor Man. Intimate Q&A.

Oh, you do that too? I do it too, man. I break it down. I'll go in between a song. I'll go, anybody got any questions? And they're like, you know, what's the craziest place you ever survived, man? Or, you know, that show win? And I get it down. I'll go in between a song. I'll go, anybody got any questions? And they're like, you know, what's the craziest place you ever survived, man? Or, you know, that show win. And I get right down.

And then it's like, you want me to rock and roll a bit more? I'm like, yeah! And then we start up again. Okay, now I think we need a reality show about you. We need to follow you around doing all that as well as the survivor shit. How come we don't have that? Well, let's make that happen. Yeah, we're going to have to do surviving reality with Les Stroud yeah you go and do shows as well yeah that mean why you

can do something like that why don't you have like one episode where you do a kick-ass show and then you have to go live in the woods for the weekend like complete that's what it's like that 180s that's exactly it I mean I did a concert and then we went down to Mexico to film Survivorman 10 Days. I was just like, wow, this is just weird. Where did you go to Mexico?

What part of Mexico? I went to Tiburon Island. It's also called Shark Island actually because the hammer hits it coming. That was for the shark episode? No, that was for Survivorman 10 Days.

Last episode I shot. Now, when you go to Mexico, like how dangerous is it for a bunch of gringos with cameras traveling around Mexico? It's no problem at all. I mean, if you're hanging on the border towns, it's a problem of gringos with cameras traveling around Mexico? It's no problem at all. I mean,

if you're hanging on the border towns, it's a problem, but we just went right down right to where we had to get to and everybody was very friendly, very nice. There was no issues whatsoever.

So everybody that's worried about the violence in Mexico, they should just chill? It's overblown, man, and you know what happens when the media gets a hold of stuff and they make it sound like it's so crazy and insane.

It's like, well, you know, people are getting killed other places too. You know, it's just, where we went was just fine, man. It rocked. It was great. I love Mexico. It's funny how people talk about like third world countries and places that are devastated by poverty and they talk about it like it's some distant faraway land.

And then you tell them that in Detroit, 47 of the people can't read yeah in detroit yeah that's not the middle of nowhere that's not a third world country in detroit 47 illiteracy rate yeah and you go whoa yeah this is this is not well managed yeah there's a lot of nuttiness going on this system i think i think uh if uh my eyes really got opened from all my travel. You know, I think people should travel, you know, and they should see what else is going on out in that world because, well, you go hang out in Sri Lanka for a while and see what it's like.

It's a different world, man. Fuck yeah, it is. On the other hand, you could also watch Britney Spears in Sri Lanka. So it's, you know, it's messed up. You know, I remember being in Thailand and going down and just doing this thing, and there's Bryan Adams coming across the speakers. I'm like, wow, really?

I thought I was in Thailand. Well, I am in Thailand. Thailand is the last refuge for the scumbag in this country, in this world, rather. There's like one place where it's okay to be a scumbag, and all the scumbags get together, and they just have found a place where it's... And they party every full moon.

Fuck yeah, they party every day. I have a bunch of friends that have gone to Thailand to train because there's a lot of camps, multi-camps. They'll take guys in and they say it's an amazing experience. I was in Thailand doing some stuff there and just touristing and then I was running every day and every day I ran. I actually went up and ran to the Muay Thai training camp and there was a bunch of Canadians there. I it's like dude survivor i'm like oh no really

here i hear it coming across the room like a couple of dudes were there they're you know they all got the tattoos now because it was you know the thing down there that in that style of thing yep they're survivor man fans in thailand at a muay thai training camp is that style of tattoo that they do similar because they're they do a tap-tap style too, right? They do a tap-tap, but it's much fine, sharp, sterile needles and things like that. Where I did it in Indonesia, it was like a rusty nail. Really? Yeah, it was nasty. Did you get infected?

No, but I don't know if I did really. I guess I didn't. For a while I did. I went down and they rub it off in the streams. That hurts. They're rubbing grass and stuff all over it and leaves and things in the in the water right after they've done it what is the um worst like infection or disease or anything that you ever caught while you were out was there ever yeah a few lots um but it's always the stomach stomach stuff from eating something fucked up nasty i had i had one

uh one time some parasite and um i remember it would it would leave these long snake-like lesions all the way around the roof of my mouth and my tongue would be a massive white i had to eat with a straw and i and i went in i checked all doctors and dentists and finally i go to this doctor he's a third world disease specialist named dr keystone in toronto real cool guy great doctor and and i go in i open my mouth and he looks he comes on he looks at my mouth and he's looking in and he's squinting his eyes he goes i have never seen anything like that before i'm like oh that's just that's a scene in a movie man oh man you know of all people this guy's the number one third world is like you don't know what this is I'm screwed you know so that was nasty that was

like a year long I was painful a year long it lasted yeah well until I got to him and sort of got the pill and then he gave me some big horse pills and I finally took care of every once in a while though I feel I feel stuff in my mouth like huh I wonder if it's still in there somewhere dormant stages yeah because every once in a while I feel things that are like that. Jesus Christ. I should put this on my Facebook sometime. I actually took a photograph of my tongue and that

when it was like that. Oh, put it up, man. It was nasty. Put it up on Twitter. Because I had to send it to the doctor. Here, it's bad today. Here, click, look. And then I'd shoot it to him.

Oh my God. Because it would change. And you know what? I talk about the snake-like lesions in the roof of my mouth. That would happen overnight. So imagine that. It's like you go to bed.

Your roof of your mouth's fine. You wake up, and it's like a snake or a worm has been dancing around the roof of your mouth all night. It was disgusting. Is that what was happening? Was it, like, moving across your mouth? I still don't know. It was just nasty.

Oh. So that was, yeah. What were the pills? What were the pills? I don't know. They were just big. You don't know they were just big i didn't ask man they were huge oh god and that so getting parasites in my my digestive tract and that's stuff that you know worries me even now you know to this day uh i i always get traveler's

belly too if i go somewhere and now because of this, it's just like, oh, here we go. One time I was in Sri Lanka, and I was on the bathroom floor in the fetal position, coming out both ends, and the most pain I've ever felt. I've broken lots of bones, but that's the most pain I've ever felt. Wow. And it was just parasite, just digestive parasite stuff. That's the stuff nobody sees when I'm out there being survivor man You don't see that stuff

What does that show? The enemy within or something like that There's a show about parasites It's all about people that don't know what's wrong with them And they find out They have a fucking mass of parasites That have grown a nest in their brain And they start doing wacky shit

And seeing things and hearing things And they finally go to a doctor. Remember that time you went swimming in that lake in Africa? Yeah. You want to hear a scary stat? This is a true stat.

There's more cells on us that are not our own that are ours. Yeah. So if you add up all the parasites and all the things walking on our skin and all the little critters, there's more cells making up all of those critters that are inside and out of us than we have that are our actual own body. That's insane. I was joking.

I was thinking one time. I was like, I was, my theory is that every once in a while you'd be like, oh, and you got to like scratch your head or something like, oh, scratch your arm. Like for what? My theory is that, well, that's one of those little critters like, oh, and you got to like scratch your head or something like, oh, scratch your arm. Like for what? My theory is that, well, that's one of those little critters like, oh, he like bit you or something, you know? That's exactly what it is because you're crawling with stuff, man. Yeah, you really. We're just, if you go microscopic, we are, we're oozing.

We really are like an ecosystem. Totally. And that's one of the things that people don't understand. I always talk about the benefits of probiotics. I'm like, you got to keep healthy bacteria in your body acidophilus for grapplers it's really important acidophilus is very important because it fights off ringworm yeah because it's a very aggressive bacteria acidophilus is and uh as is uh the kombucha kombucha is really good for that as well it keeps uh keeps you from getting ringworm yeah but the um nobody really thinks about the

idea that you have like this whole ecosystem going on in your body that you have to support. Like, you can't just eat Twinkies. Like, you've got to support this ecosystem. I'm a huge believer in fasting and cleansing. Yeah. Huge. I think, you know, the idea is this. You know, as long as you're eating that pizza or that awesome falafel I had at your pita pita place around the corner.

Place is good, right? That was awesome. And that's some of the best hummus ever. Great falafel. So if you're, as long as you're eating, your stomach is like working its ass off. And when you cleanse, it's just like your stomach just goes, oh, thanks, man. Right. Thanks, dude.

I need it. And they just, it just gives your stomach a break. And I'm a big believer in going in the mornings, you know,'m doing well i'll go in the mornings i won't eat for a while until i get the stomach growls and that's a good thing you want the stomach to growl because when you get to that stage it's now working on itself it's like okay you gave me a break this morning you didn't shove bacon and eggs down there so i'll tell you what how about i work on some stuff that's been sitting over here in the corner for a while and it just it's your system you know so cleansing and fasting just revitalizes your body.

And when I would do, I do, there's so many programs, right? One of the ones I liked was called Eating Alive, Dr. Mattson out of Vancouver. And I'll tell you, by day six of this eating to cleanse, I felt like a prize fighter. I was just like, man, just walking around the house, you know, wanting to hit on the bags because it's like, man, I feel good. And all because I stopped, you know, shocking my stomach and pushing the hell out of my stomach with pizza and crap. Yeah, well, there's a lot of stuff that people eat that your body's really just not designed to process. And that's the whole idea behind the paleo diet is that grains and especially like the modern grains are just really not supposed to be like eating giant pieces of bread. Yeah.

But it tastes so good. That's great. And spaghetti is so delicious. I mean, you know. So yummy. But it tastes so good. And spaghetti is so delicious. So yummy. Fried cheese tastes great. Yeah, ricotta. You know what I crave when I'm out there? What?

Fried cheese pizza. Fried cheese pizza. I think it's because my fat reserves start to diminish, and I think I want fat, so I start thinking about pizza, and my mouth starts drooling on day four thinking about that. That's interesting. So when your fat starts getting diminished, your body starts craving fatty, and I think about, my mouth starts drooling on day four thinking about that. That's interesting.

So when your fat starts getting diminished, your body starts craving fatty things? I think. In my case, anyway. That's my theory as to why I crave pizza on day four. Well, when I work out, I crave meat. Whenever I lift weights, I crave, I really like, oh, I can't wait to have a steak. It's like your body knows, like, look, we got to, I'll tell you what to eat. It's that protein build. Yeah, we need to get that stuff. You're breaking down your tissue. tell you what to eat it's that protein build

we need to get that stuff you're breaking down your tissue we need something to build it up quick if you had to pick one place where you would never go back and try to survive again where would it be? you know I think

I really love the desert but it's my least of places to be. Because it's most inhospitable? It's just dry, man. It's just dry and kind of, I don't know. I always remember feeling so uncomfortable and sand in every crinkle of your body, you know, whereas the forest or the jungle, even though it's raining all the time, you know, you just walk around with nothing on.

And it just felt great. But cold is harder. But I just find being in the deserts, they're beautiful, though. Like, I don't want people, oh, how come you don't like that? I love the deserts. They're gorgeous. They're beautiful. It's just something about when you're surviving and you're sleeping on the sand

and you're sleeping outside all the time, you get sand in everything, man. Were you aware of the mixed martial arts fighter evan tanner no really uh a fascinating guy very very interesting guy is a really tough guy too as well and gotta leave yeah he um decided to go on some vision quests and he went out into the desert and uh apparently he lost his water or something. He got disoriented. He wound up dying out there. Wow. You don't realize how easy it is, even for a tough guy like that. If you don't know what you're doing, you fuck up.

Your life hangs on the balance of water. Really, it's all about water. I mean, I'll do the whole 10-day Survivor Man with just water. If there's lots of water to drink, I'll be fine. I'll get over it. Really? Food is not an issue. Water is about you what are your energy levels like well you totally drop yeah oh i'll shoot a scene i'll call it that way i shoot a scene i'll do the

fireball and then i'll have to sit down and i think i'm sitting down for like two minutes and it's like no it's 20 or longer and i'm just sitting because you could become so lethargic so that's the problem without food the problem without food is become so lethargic. So that's the problem without food. The problem without food is you become lethargic, you lose your energy and it's hard to get up and do stuff. The problem with water is that you may last 10 days without water, but after three, you're a basket case. And just think of the migraines that come through. You get those intense migraines from lack of water and stuff. So the last seven days of your life on the planet,

if you're going without water and you're dying from dehydration, are horrible. And that's why people in life rafts end up drinking the ocean water, making themselves crazy, you know, and they'll literally say, I'm going to go to the store, and they'll walk off the raft, you know. It's intense, you know. Water's everything. So when I do my survivor man shows and

everything to do with survival to me the very first question is where's my fresh water coming from the ultimate mind fuck is to be dying of thirst in the middle of an ocean it's crazy it's it is crazy it's it's you know elaine babard proved that you could ingest some scientifically in very specific ways but but you know if you don't have fresh water coming in, forget it. The last show I did was in Mexico, and I was on the ocean's edge, and I had to go way inland to find water. How much water can you drink out of the ocean? Well, you can't, really, is the proper answer.

You can't. You could take a shot of water out of the ocean every day if you're drinking fresh water as well. Then you're actually getting some salts and stuff and minerals. But if you're drinking fresh water as well then you're actually getting some salts and stuff and minerals but if you have no fresh water

you just you can't you're going to make yourself you're going to poison yourself how crazy is it that most of the

fucking water has salt in it like that's most of it these giant bodies it's all salt yeah but also the amount of

fresh water that exists like under the surface of North America and Russia intense you know last question do you believe in those

divining rods where dudes find water with those things I've used them do they work I gotta say it did shit that I wasn't doing

and they were in my hands really I'm like whoa whoa whoa whoa it's like one of those weird moments like oh crap

oh crap and I was doing it and sure enough and then we dig and we found water I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's like one of those weird moments like, oh, crap, oh, crap. And I was doing it. And sure enough, and then we dig and we found water. Does it have to be a very light stick? Yeah, these are copper rods. You know what? It goes back to when we first started talking. I think it's really about energy, right?

You know, you connect in an energetic sense, right, to everybody. I think that's what if you want to bring someone, you know, if you brought someone into your life, it's because for some reason you're energy. sense, right, to everybody. I think that's what, if you want to bring someone, if you brought someone into your life, it's because for some reason you're energy. Right, right, right. And I think that's just a small manifestation of energy skill set. You know, just the energy through you

and these wires like this. Remember the story I said about doing land surveying and I'm like hundreds of yards away from, but I've got a tripod on the ground, I'm looking through a transit, and I feel electrical shocks coming off the transit. That's practical energy we've set up on man-made lines, but the earth, you know, the world has all this energy.

And I think those divining rods, I think that's all people are tapping into. So is it like basically there's some sort of a signal that we just haven't been able to figure out how to detect yet that certain aspects of nature are giving off, like underwater water or underground water. I think that, again, I'm being ridiculously vague, but I think that we simply have flowing energy. I think energy can be stored, like in rocks and so on, but the earth is a whole matter of flowing energy. Water is like the physical manifestation of that energy you can see it because water moves and it flows

and it's stuff and it's like more vibrant energy all the time so i think when you get into metaphysical stuff you have individuals human beings who who can connect into this or that i can't explain it who can explain it? All we know is that weird shit happens. And stuff happens that is really difficult to explain, whether you're fully entrenched in the Bible or the Koran or atheism or whatever it is, whatever dogma or non-dogma, the reality is it's pretty damn hard to explain some shit that goes on.

And my personal explanation is just that there's, you know, God, spirit, energy itself, the universe. It's just, you know, it's all connecting that way. I mean, I live my life as Survivorman by being really super grateful for what I've got. You know, I'm grateful for abundance. I'm grateful for my kids, for health. And the more I'm grateful, the more I get it. The more it comes back to me all the time.

I always say thank you about, you know, like I told you, when I start off Survivor Man, I would be thankful in the morning or help me to do this, you know, and call that a meditation, call it a prayer call, whatever you want. In my case, it's a matter of being grateful for what's going on. And I know that it works, that when you are grateful for being Joe Rogan and having your show and doing the things you do, guess what? You get more of that. You get more Joe Rogan, more of your show, more of the things that you do because you show in the universe yeah i'm grateful i am who i am i'm grateful i'm less

drought i'm grateful that i was survivor man and still am and uh and i i'm i'm just getting started man with the music sounds get started it sounds so hippie but i totally agree with you of course it sounds hippie but so what i totally at some point you just gotta go hippie go hippie man exactly well listen man thank you very much it's been an awesome podcast and if people want to hear I totally agree with you. At some point, you just got to go with it. Just go hippie. Go hippie, man. Exactly. Well, listen, man. Thank you very much. It's been an awesome podcast. And if people want to hear your music, what's the best way to download it or buy it? They can go to lesstroud.ca, right?

You got the iTunes. The new album. .ca, folks. Remember, he's a Canadian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's because some dude named Les Stroud in the States took lesstroud.com. Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch.

So lesstroud.ca, can get all all my stuff there and and you know what I thought about coming on I thought you know if if if the parents that are out there

you know I know there's a lot of scouts a lot of young people that love my stuff and I know I got a little potty mouth while I was hanging out with Joe Rogan

it's gonna happen when you're here but the reality is I think that you know the fact that I've got fans from like six to 60 has been blowing me away.

And now I get a chance to do the music. Dude, you need a podcast. You need a Less Drought podcast. I was thinking about it. Do it while you're in the woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great idea.

I mean, think about all the time you have while you're there. And on today's show, Bigfoot. Dude, you should totally do a podcast. That would be like you just musing about life by yourself in a fucking tent and like do it that way You don't have to edit it for a television show you can do like an hour of it to a background sound of just the

Atmosphere that you're in would sound so like a relaxing podcast. Yeah, it's a great I haven't I won't say I haven't thought of it Our friend Bill Burr does his podcast totally by himself. And our guest tomorrow, Greg Proops, I guess apparently he does his podcast by himself too. Comedian. Yeah. He's funny. Yeah, he's very funny.

I was addicted to, whose line is it? I was addicted. That was my stress relief when I was editing Survivor, man. So you could do that, man. You could be out in the tent making a fucking podcast. I kind of do, if you think about it. Yeah. You kind of do, you just don't release all of it.

No. Yeah. So just do it if you think about it. Yeah. You kind of do, you just don't release all of it. No. Yeah. So just do it straight up. Yeah. Just decide, like, do-do-do, make a little fucking opening. This is the Les Stroud podcast, you know, and you just talk about where you are. Would that be my opening, like that? No, I think you'd probably do better than I could just... Okay. Play a song. Play a harmonica song at the opening. Yeah.

Yes. You could definitely do that. Yeah, that could be it. And today. You want to lead us out with that? All right, Joe. Ladies and gentlemen, Les Stroud. You can get him on Twitter. Real Les Stroud on Twitter. Get him online, lesstroud.ca.

Anything going on you want to tell the people about, Brian? Yeah, tomorrow I'll be in San Diego with Doug Benson. Tickets are on sale right now at AmericanComedyCo.com. And I'll be with Joe in Austin December 1st. At the Moody Theater. Shit's going to get crazy. Joey Diaz is out for that gig. I'm very sorry. I cannot in good conscience tell you.

But Duncan Trussell's in and Brian Redband's in as well Joey apparently is going to be doing a television show and they conflicted with this so that's August 1st in Austin, Texas no, August 1st? December 1st

what the fuck am I talking about? next year, I'll be there August 1st again December, I don't even know what month it is Les Stroud's musical harmonica has hypnotized me to the fuck am I talking about? August 1st. Next year. I'll be there August 1st again. December. I don't even know what month it is. Les Stroud's musical harmonica has hypnotized me to the point where I'm a moron, ladies and gentlemen. I've become a moron. Tomorrow night at the

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