The Joe Rogan Experience - #289 - Shane Smith

Episode Date: November 26, 2012

Joe sits down with Shane Smith.

is looking to go to war. Everybody else is looking to kill them. Everybody else is looking to take. Most people in this world just want to get by. They want to be healthy. They want to have children and have those children be happy and healthy. They want to get through the day. They want to get through the fucking day.

They are led by people who are profiting off of the drama. And that's the real problem. Can I say one thing? This is why this podcast is so important and not to be melodramatic is to go back to the success of this podcast and the success of Vice and all this stuff is that it's because all of the other shit out there is bullshit. This is the whole thing is what happens in mainstream media and the news cycle is crap. And what's happening here and the reason why you have so many people listening to you and supporting you and the reason why Vice is growing so rapidly is because we're just regular dudes. We're regular guys. We like MMA. We like fighting.

We like having a few drinks. You're you. Yeah. And you go out there in the world and you say, hold on a second. Where's the fucking rationality here? Why do these fuckers have nuclear weapons why the fuck is this happening why are is the fucking world sinking and we're not doing something about i don't understand i'm not like i'm not uh jesus on the cross i'm not i'm not trying to be that guy

i'm just going out in the world and going holy fuck and when i say and that's why when i say it's the end of the world is it's because I went to Kashmir. I went to the Indian side of Kashmir. The Indians said, if we have another Mumbai attack, we will attack Pakistan. Then I went to Pakistan. I was like, why are you still sending these? You're training the ISI and the military. Why are you still sending these guys into India?

They've said that if you send them in again, they're going to attack you. And they're like, yes, because we're going to win. You're like, nobody's going to fucking win. You're going to nuke each other. You're all going to die. And the thing is, is I keep saying that, and it's the same thing in China. It's the same thing, even the funny shit that we do, is like it's the absurdity of the modern condition. It's the world has become insane.

And I'm saying, where are all the adults, eh? But but where's the rationality where's this like two regular guys and and by the way we're just sitting here in a in a in a in a with a beautiful oak table having a few drinks in the middle of nowhere and so many people are resonating with us we're just two dudes talking yeah but the thing is is so many people you know resonate resonate resonate why because everyone's just coming out of the pond going hold on a second hold on a second what the fuck's going on what the fuck we're all rational people we're all smart people we all have the internet we fucking see all this shit's going on what the fuck's going on and i think that the answers are terrifying because you know what nobody has an answer.

Oh, well, it's just this, this, this, and this. It's not really going to happen because it's that. And, you know, it's just this guy doing that. You sound like Brian Callen pitching for Fox News. But the thing is, is it's not true. Actually, the New York Times has refuted that. Yeah, but it's not true. Like, there is no rationality.

The answer is more terrifying than the question, which is why aren't they fucking – why do they have nukes? Because we gave them. Because we're crazy. Because we're crazy. Because there's no rationality. They had money. They needed nukes. We had nukes.

We needed money. Boom. Chaka-laka-boom. Correct. You know what the scary real – the real scary story is? Canada had this thing, the Candu reactor, the fail-sa safe reactor, the most safe reactor on earth, fucking beautiful reactor. The Titanic reactors. And Canada is like, oh, we're the largest donator of foreign aid.

I'm Canadian, by the way. I love Canada. And we're the largest foreign aid. Almost like Canadian. Donators of foreign aid. And then we gave the reactors to Pakistan and we said, now, whatever you do, don't do anything bad with it. And they said, oh, of course not.

And you're sitting there going, what the fuck? What the fuck were you fucking thinking, Canada, giving them fucking reactors? What the fuck were you thinking? That's so silly. The reactor thing is a real freak out to me. And I talk about it in my act. I don't know if I'm allowed to swear, by the way. What are you talking about?

I don't know. Here? What's the matter by the way. What are you talking about? I don't know. Here? What's the matter? Oh, you want a cigarette? Shut it. Shut it. I'm not supposed to say that shit. I didn't know.

I didn't know what you were saying. I didn't know that was a bad thing. Does somebody not want you to indulge? Let's be real here. I don't know. Come on, Shane Smith. You know I love you like a brother. Tell me what's going on.

Who doesn't want you to indulge? You got an issue? Mrs. Shane Smith. You know I love you like a brother. Tell me what's going on. Who doesn't want you to indulge? You got an issue? Mrs. Shane Smith? Who perhaps doesn't want to help you to die of cancer or bullets? Cigarettes is the last thing she should worry about. This dude's going to the Congo in his underwear. You should worry. Have you gone?

Did you go to the Congo? Yeah, yeah. See, that's where I draw the line. I've been to Goma, and right now it's going fucking crazy. The only way I would go to the Congo is if someone absolutely showed me for sure. We're going to find the apes. I could see one of those apes. Yeah.

It was giant. We're still working on it. It's a real animal, bro. It's a real animal. The thing is. That's something you don't have. That's not like a Sasquatch at you. Did I ever tell you about David Cho and the dinosaurs?

Yes, I watched that episode. They believe there's a brontosaurus in the congo hey look there's alligators yeah okay we had we need to wrap our heads around the idea that alligators fucking survived sure that i want alligator you know i'm reading this chris ryan book um sex at dawn fascinating Fascinating, fascinating book. And he talks about the name Yucatan and that what the name came from is one of the American or one of the Christopher Columbus' settlers. You don't have to worry about what you blow that up. I grew up in comedy clubs and pool halls. Let that shit go. Don't worry about it.

He asked them, what is the name of your land? And the guy said something like, whatever the Mayan tongue is. And so they said Yucatan. OK, Yucatan. That was like as close to it. It turns out when scholars reviewed what the actual original word was, because I guess they wrote it down somewhere, it means in Mayan, I don't understand you. they wrote it down somewhere. It means in Mayan, I don't understand you. So when people go down to Cancun and they go get their freak on for spring break,

they're in the I don't understand you peninsula. Christopher Ryan, bad motherfucker. It's like when they went to India, they said, where are we? And they're like, Mumbai. And they're like, Bombay, perfect. Exactly, perfect. Love it. Where are you?

Beijing. Peking. Love it. Well, like Greece. They don't call themselves Greece, right? Don't they have another you? Beijing. Peking. Love it. Well, like Greece. They don't call themselves Greece, right? Don't they have another name? Yeah, Halas. There's a couple different countries like that.

Japan is Nippon. Yeah. Oh, that's another place where we just shot Greece. Holy fuck. Yeah, Greece is completely insolvent. Is that the case? Well, it is. So we just shot the riots in Greece, France, Spain, Italy, and actually the rise of the neo-Nazis in Germany. Oh, Jesus.

They're back? They're back. Don't call it a comeback. How could you get fucking Nazis again in Germany? Really, Germans? Yeah. Really, folks? Come on.

You got the internet. You got 4G, you motherfuckers. Actually, what's faster internet than us? Germany. Really Germans? Yeah. Really folks? Come on. You got the internet. You got 4G you motherfuckers. Actually, what's – Faster internet than us. Do they, Brian? Than us?

Yeah. No, no. This year. Are we online at all? Well, I found out that you probably have DSL, which is like the worst internet in the world. Right. So I put it down to like mobile bandwidth style. Right. So like it's such a low bandwidth.

But is it working? Barely. You're a technological genius. Well, he's a bad motherfucker, and without him I'd be lost. And he has great T-shirts, and I want one. And he has a great taste in women. He's a bad motherfucker, that Brian Redman. Yeah, so do you – I mean, look, man, I love you.

I love you. But every time we get together, we start talking doom and gloom, and I fucking shit my pants. And I want to believe that there's a way out of this. I want to believe that I know that I've changed as a human being. There is, and I've got to say this. I've got to say this because it's up to guys like you, guys like me, and guys like everyone listening to this podcast to say we have the power. Dude, that's a lot of responsibility. We have the power.

I want to get high and watch The Hobbit. However, you want to get high and watch The Hobbit. However, I'm going to say this publicly and online. publicly and online. Joe Rogan, who's a famous dude who does UFC and TV shows and comics and comic genius and all this stuff, he does a podcast, you know, pays for a fucking studio, pays for oak tables, pays for state-of-the-art equipment, all this stuff, to do a podcast to tell the fucking truth.

And by the way, that's fucking admirable. And by the way, everybody out there who has a camera, who has an iPhone, who has a fucking YouTube connection, everyone can do it and everyone should do it because it's time to start fucking changing shit because you know what? Shit is fucked up. They are doing it and that's the beautiful thing.

That's the beautiful thing. There's a bunch of people that we've introduced via this podcast like Daniele Bolelli and the guys from london real who came down this is my podcast and they those guys are really popular now their podcasts are popular and it's it's instead of you going through this traditional system of it not being about the the value of your contribution but rather being about like who's hot and who's not and who's it and who's like fucking dating who and all the nonsense that we get roped up in as primates, as social primates. And to instead say, fuck that, man.

What I would like to say to everyone who's listening to this, Joe Rogan, red man over there, who's fucking the technological genius, you guys are doing something that is purely democratic, that is incredibly fucking important, incredibly useful. It's the reason why every time I come to LA I do this. Because you guys are giving guys like me and everybody else a fucking platform to say, hey, by the way, I don't want to be all doom and gloom. What I want to say is...

Too late. But hold on. What I want to do is say, this shit is happening. It's real. And people should know about it. And we can do shit about it. And by the way, it's not just us here in America.'s real and people should know about it and we can do shit about it and by the way it's not just us here in america people in india can do shit about it

people in pakistan can do shit about it and by the way youth are fucking pissed off they're upset the politicians have failed them the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer and what we're trying to do is bring back journalism in the sense that journalism is saying this shit is fucked up and we collectively have to solve it otherwise you have kids i have kids our kids are going to be fucked yeah i run through these various scenarios in my head about the future of humanity and the only thing that gives me hope is the access to ideas and information that are available today. Just for me, what I know about me.

With a phone, I can pretty much answer almost any question I have about anything in the world within a couple of hours of sitting there and reading shit. All you need is a goddamn phone. You're a guy that doesn't have to do this. You don't have to take your time out. You don't have to pay all this money to set this up. Well, it's not that much money.

Well, okay. It's fairly reasonable. It's hard and it's money and it's time of day. And you're setting up this shit. And by the way, more people should be doing it. And more people should be doing shit because it's bad. I don't even think about it that way. I mean, the way I think about it is, first of all, we were doing it at my house.

And then we were doing it at Brian's place that he set up, Desquad Studios, in the Ice House. And I thought about it is first of all we were doing it at my house and then we were doing it brian's place that he set up the squad studios in the ice house and uh i thought about it i was like why am i doing my shit at my house like let's let's take this to the next level it's so i was inspired by like brian putting together this crazy studio and us using it for you know how long have been there brian uh it was a year anniversary last month. And Bob Fisher, you beautiful motherfucker, you. The guy who owns that place is just such a sweetie. They're all sweeties there. The waitresses are sweeties. Everybody's nice.

But look at what you built out of it. And I've got to say, everybody out there should take this as an example because everybody can do shit. And by the way, you're doing shit. You don't have to do shit. You're doing shit. See, that's where I want to sort of straighten. I don't think that it's shit. You don't have to do shit. You're doing shit. See, that's where it gets – that's where I want to sort of straighten – I don't think that – it's not like I don't have to. There's no motivation to do this other than joy, other than fun, other than the fact that I love talking to guys like you. Like how else would I organize a three-hour conversation with you and I?

Like the only way to make it enticing is I have to fucking broadcast it online to get to meet someone like you. Like tomorrow we're doing that John McAfee, the virus guy who is in Belize on the run. We're doing that guy. I couldn't get to talk to that guy in real life. Why would he talk to me? But you tell more truth here on your podcast than MSNBC and Fox put together. And I've got to say that's the future of journalism.

It's people, regular people like you and me who actually give a shit and who have actually learned stuff. And because you go around the world and you see shit, I go around the world and I see shit. We see this stuff and we go, hey. This is ridiculous. Yeah. Change is incredibly difficult it's incredibly difficult for people to change it's incredibly difficult for systems of government or systems monetary systems to change change is incredibly hard and resisted tooth and claw and the people

that are involved in msnbc and cnn and all these people that perpetrate all this nonsense journalism. Nonsense. I don't fault them. I don't. Because as a guy who's been – this is my position. As a guy who's been in the system of television before, I've been on two different TV shows. I was on a sitcom for five years and then I was on Fear Factor for six years. I kind of see – I got a pretty good view of the whole system of creating things and the network. It's insurmountable.

It either has to collapse or be absorbed by the internet. Those are the only options. But it as it stands is bureaucratic. There's too many people involved, too much decision-making. It's too expensive and difficult to put together a fucking sitcom. It's so hard to make it good. If you look at your audience and you look at what you're doing

and other people like you are doing, you have millions and millions of followers. And I would say this. I would say, look, you have as many, and by the way, more, you have an audience that's actually willing to do shit

and willing to participate and they tweet and they Facebook and get on the socials. And I would say this. It's like if you look at Fox, which is aging at 67, 68, those people are dying and going to die out. This is the future. And what you're doing is you're saying, I'm going to put my flag in the sand. And I'm going to say, you know what? You've been in TV. You've been successful. You're still on TV.

You're still successful. You're killing it. But yet still, you'll take your time out of your day to come here and say, we're going to try. We're going to do some funny stuff. We're going to do some regular stuff. We're going to do this and that. But we're going to try to fucking at least say, hey, this is what's going on with McAfee. This is what's going on in Pakistan. This is what's going on with McAfee, this is what's going on in Pakistan,

this is what's going on wherever, you have me on, you have other people on. And I got to say, look, that is the future of journalism because that is the only way today that we're going to get to the truth. And I, look, I agree with everything you just said. And the reason why I do it

is because people like you are out there. The reason why I'm so committed to doing a podcast like this and the reason why Brian and I are committed to keeping them free is we benefit from it just as much as everyone else does. We benefit from it from our own conversations. I mean Brian and I were just talking about simulation theory today. I mean, Brian and I were just talking about simulation theory today. And it's because it's brought up by so many brilliant people on the podcast that we've had these freaky discussions about it. This podcast has been an incredible fucking thing. I can't ever take – not only can I – I don't feel like I can take any responsibility for it.

I can't take any accolades for it because all it is is it's really – I feel like completely like a conduit and I feel like if I can tune into guys like you or had Les Stroud on last week, Survivorman, and I've had Alex Gray, the brilliant visionary artist on. If I can get a forum where these people can talk through the internet and reach all these other people. Like, who else has that opportunity? If you had it, you would do it. If anybody else had it, they would do it. If you're thinking in your right mind and you had a million people that were paying attention or whatever the fuck it is now and you knew some shit, you'd want to tell people some shit.

But I'm allowed to say it's admirable. Oh, listen. That's not nearly as admirable. we're chilling here in the fucking valley brian and i are in the air-conditioned studio you're out there in mumbai dude what i'd like to say is life is good right and our life has been good and we got to kind of get out of jail free card when i got out of college i used to say i'm never going to live in a house as nice as my parents or drive a car as nice as my parents. And Gen X, my generation, sort of got a get-out-of-jail-free card. But Gen Y is going to have to pay the bill. And in so saying, I think it's our responsibility to say we know the fucking problems.

We know what the fuck is going on. We know that this is a fucking problem. And we have to go out there and say, look, this is i don't know the solutions again i'm not jesus on the cross but at least people and this is why this is what gives me hope is that people fundamentally i believe are good and i also believe people are fundamentally smart and people fundamentally want to do the right thing well i think people fundamentally want to be good because love feels better than hate. Like if I have a little tiny dispute in my life, I don't know about you, but the way I feel about it, especially amongst my circle of friends or amongst people I do business with or work with, if there's any sort of a tiny dispute,

there's a ripple in my force and I don't like it. I don't like that feeling and I want to resolve it as lovingly and as kindly and as apologetically as't like it i don't like that feeling and i want to resolve it as lovingly and as kindly and as apologetically as i can i always feel like that and some people never get to a position where they really feel at peace with their place in the world and how they interact with other people they can't whether it's because they're too in debt or they're they're in a fucking terrible neighborhood or they they grew up with a crazy mother. Whatever it is, you took a bad career path, stuck in a fucking abusive job position, whatever the fuck it is that locks you into your reality, your existence, it's very difficult for people that are in a torturous position to look at possibilities and options and to look at the

possibility and options that this might not be the correct way to live life. And that in reality, my narrow-minded view has set me on this insurmountable path of ultimate failure. And there's no way to accumulate enough shit in this life if you're a temporary being. There is no way. So if that is the focus of your existence, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy some shit.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't get a fucking Samsung Galaxy S3 and go, ooh, because all that shit is badass too. The reality of something – like when you hear people talk about – I was having a conversation with someone and they started talking about the law of attraction. Oh, it's the law of attraction. You bring it into your life. It's the law of attraction. Like maybe, but maybe babies die in drive-bys too like what's real what's realistic is let's look at this whole thing the reality that we exist in let's look at this whole thing and be honest about it and say we woke up in the middle of a dream. The American, whoever the fuck you are, the Japanese man who's 50 years old who wakes up when his alarm clock goes off today and looks at this world.

This world woke up in motion. And the people – there's too many of them, first of all. There's too many of them to ever communicate. No one understands what the fuck anybody is saying. There's too many different languages. There's no universal acknowledgment of our plight and we are headed to doom. Ultimately, there's no way if we continue along a certain path that it doesn't completely explode in our face, whether it's overpopulation or whether it's pollution or nuclear disaster. There's a certain amount of stops along the way until the whole

thing ends. Well, I think I agree with you. And I think that our generation, yours and mine, has come out of the pond. And we've had a good life. And I love this country because I came down here and built a meeting. I like your country better. I know. I do.

When the shit hits the fan, I'm moving to Canada for fucking sure. I don't even care if it's Montreal. I'll deal with that snow. I'll take it to Toronto. I'll get a snowblower and a warm coat. But the thing is, is you sit there and you say, we came out of the pond. We realize this shit is happening. Yes, we want to live a good life.

I want shit to get better precisely because I've had such a good life. And I'm not a doom and gloom guy. I'm a party guy. I like to drink. I like to travel. I I'm not a doom and gloom guy. I'm a party guy. I like to drink. I like to travel. I like to eat. I like to do stuff. I like to learn. I like to go to all these different places. The reason why I'm like, hey, hold on. These guys want to nuke each other. Or hey, hold on. The world is sinking. Or hey, hold on. This shit's happening that's going to fuck everybody up. It's because I like my life my life is because I like guys like you is because I like where we've gotten to to date the problem with it is is that you sit there and you say okay

I don't want the next generation to not have that to not be able to go outside swimming a river go fishing do all that stuff and and right now we're at we're at literally the sort of breaking point we're at that infection point of of we are we can fix it we can solve it we're smart we're good people want to do it and if you you know follow this i'm sure you do the people who follow you and and and if you look at what they say on twitter and you look at what they say on Facebook, people are fucking angry and they're down and they're happy. They're not represented. They're not represented. They're not represented.

And the thing is what's happening especially globally, let alone in this country, but what's happening globally is that the people with the power are disenfranchised because the systems that are in place are set up as such that they can't be represented. So what this is is this is true grassroots democracy. And by the way, I hope to God it continues and gets bigger and bigger. And I was making a joke earlier. This is the first podcast from here. And I'm like, I'm going to look back 20 years from now and say, this was the first podcast that changed the world because this is the root of journalism which is the root of democracy well i think that the people that are in the position of power that are doing these horrible

things we really need to figure out how to heal those motherfuckers because i think we have to figure out how to get them the fuck out you got to get them the fuck out out how to get them the fuck out. You've got to get them the fuck out. You have to get them the fuck out. We've got to discourage that type of behavior in the future. I mean if you want to be a real hippie and a total idealist, you would say that there's got to be a way that almost everybody can change and that these people that are in these positions of power that are looking at things like war and economic attacks on countries or embargoes or all these different various things that people do that really can cause unbelievable, irreparable harm to communities and families. We need to figure out a way to get those people to look at things differently and say, your motivation is off.

Yes. Your motivation is based on some ancient primate shit. And you don't speak for the people. It's based on some ancient primate shit where you were running away from jaguars and you had to be the most vicious motherfucker to survive. And that stuff manifests itself today, millions of years later, in the male dominance mentality. Sure. And that mentality is not best suited for attacks against your fellow man.

And it can be conquered. It can be conquered. It can be understood. It can be understood in your mindset. You will be a happier person if you do not behave in that manner. And you won't be any happier if you get more money. There's a certain amount of money where it doesn't matter. Well, I've got to say also that if you look at it and say i want real people i want people like me yes who have had a drink too many who've

done a few drugs who've done whatever who've had a real life if you have you know guys like you know romney who's like squeaky clean and whatever i'm like i don't want a robot representing me yes because i'm not a robot i'm flawed and fucked up and I've been through crazy shit. He's way more flawed than you. Well, see, but the whole thing is I want someone who's human. I want someone who's been through shit and who smoked fucking dope when he was fucking nine years old. You mean you want someone who's emerged. I want someone who knows what the fuck is going on.

Romney could be saved with mushrooms. Mushrooms and tie hookers and just get romney on a fucking island and just just give him some mushrooms and let him understand that this is this is a fucking dream man this is one frame in an infinite movie that goes on forever and the only control that you have whatsoever is to enjoy it, to increase harmony, to spread love and happiness. The thing is, as you were talking about, you know, talking to she-males or talking to Taliban or talking to this or that, the thing is, is if you just talk to these motherfuckers, everybody has a point.

Right. Everyone has a point of view. Everyone has a point. And if you actually say, look, you know, by the way, for example, when I was in Pakistan, they were like, we are super mad that you let the innocence of Muslims come out. Like America, you know, sponsored that, whatever. And you're like. That's that video you're talking about? And you say, you understand that there's millions upon millions of videos uploaded every day, every fucking day on YouTube.

There's no government regulation. There's no, you know, Obama's not sitting there going, ha-ha, we really got him now. And they could not believe that. They were just like, no, you guys have done this thing and that's why we're shooting. There were people killed and there's been you know violence because of this and now there's a whole uh you know because a lot of the people are illiterate that the imam say well america is doing this and this is part of their policy whatever and you're like this was just a bunch of fruitcakes who did a fucking thing and all of a sudden now people are dying and there's you know whole militias being mobilized because of this and at

that point you're like if people just actually fucking, which I do. I say, look, I'm going to tell you. I live there. I do this. I have two of the most popular channels on YouTube. People just upload shit. It just fucking happens. It's not like government policy.

It's not propaganda. It's not this. It's not that. They don't fucking get it. And if you just actually just said, look look dude. Here's the way it is Here's the reality of the situation which nobody does That's the whole fucked up thing is nobody sits there and says this is actually what happens. This is the truth Well, you're not saying you're incorrect. It's not all buddy. It's you you do it you motherfucker your fucking channel does it?

What are you talking about? There's guys like you. There's the congressmen that are coming up like Daniel Seaman, the congressional representative or a candidate rather, who is completely honest and well-read and young. There's a whole group of people that are coming up now. There's a bunch of people that are broadcasting, whether it's the Young Turks or whether it's any number. Alex Jones to a large extent. A lot of what Alex Jones says, although absolutely ridiculed in the 1990s, shows to be true in 2012. I've been Alex's friend for a long fucking time. And a lot of people think he's crazy.

And he's fucking crazy. That's why they think he's crazy. But he's crazy in a beautiful way. And he's right a lot of the time. And that's sort of understood now. And there's enough information now that people have their head collectively cocked sideways. I think the whole United States is like,

wait a minute. There's something I tweeted yesterday. Someone tweeted me and I retweeted. It was 33 different conspiracy theories that turned out to be correct. And when you go and look at them and you go, oh, okay, this is just – this is sort of how it's always been. So what we have to do is figure out how to get these people that are thinking this way in this crazy position of power where they – whatever group, however many, agree to do something totally immoral and for profit, I guess. That's really the only real reason whenever it comes down to it. We have to figure out how to reach people like that and to let them know that this is a false pattern.

Your mind is locked in some nonsensical thinking that is based on the predatory instincts of animals that had to survive from fucking cougars and jaguars and bears and shit. There is a ruthlessness that's designed into the DNA to make sure that the animal procreates and that can be overcome. And that we have to understand that the only way to true happiness is to look at each other collectively as if it's us living another life. Look at every person you meet as if it's you living a completely different life. But also just to – and I agree with you 100 percent because … It sounds like hippie bullshit though. No, no.

But you look at you and you say, look, here's a guy, UFC guy, came up, taekwondo champion, you're a fighting guy, you know, all this stuff. Obviously, we're two guys here sitting here. We're not hippies. But what we're coming to is saying, look, we came up, you know, we came up hard, we fought, we did all this stuff. And now we're realizing this shit. And we're saying, hey, you know, we've seen this, we've learned from this is why I get to go back to it is, I don't want politicians representing me who don't understand this. Which is I came up hard. I came up from the streets. I learned this shit.

I learned it the hard way by going to these places. And what I've realized is exactly what you said, which is unless we overcome our base desire, which is I hate you, I'm going to fucking bomb you, we're all dead. We're all dead because now it's not a knife, it's not a gun, it's not an RPG, it's not a tank. It's a nuclear fucking warhead.

And when we start fucking, trying to fucking be alpha male with a nuclear warhead, like AQ Khan, then we're fucking... Where's that guy? Is he still alive? He's still alive. That motherfucker!

He's still alive. Where is he? Where is he? He's in Pakistan. Jesus Christ. And he's the reason why there's the proliferation of nuclear fucking technologies. Does he have like 20 bitches around him just dancing in their underwear at all times? That's what I would do.

You'd think so. But no. Be a fucking man with it. At least if you're going to be a so but no be a fucking man with it at least if you're going to be a conqueror be a fucking old school Conan he has a bunch of ISI guys around him at all times what are those guys? so the ISI is the CIA of Pakistan

and they started the Taliban and they are the guys who are basically running Pakistan and they are the guys who are becoming increasingly radicalized and they're the guys who are saying we are going to bomb India. We need to get those people all on mushrooms. Well, what we need to do is just say you're not allowed. Yeah, that's for sure. You're not allowed to blow up the world.

You cannot do it. And by the way, if we had politicians who were doing the right thing, you would go to India, you'd go to Pakistan and say, you're not allowed. Which means that we have to say,

Russia's not allowed, we're not allowed, nobody's allowed. Because, again, to go back to it, if you're playing roulette and double zero means the end of the fucking world,

you shouldn't be playing fucking roulette. Right? And so, take that double zero off the fucking board. At least if you're playing fucking roulette right and so take that double zero off the fucking board at least if you're playing russian roulette you have five chances to not get shot in the head when you're playing world dominance it's like how many opportunities do you have to start a nuclear war exactly it's really not a question it's not a question of of when if it's a question

of when yeah there's not a whole lot of chambers it's a question of when. Yeah, there's not a whole lot of chambers. The whole thing is fucking ridiculous. Because it's people locked up in this idea that somehow or another conquering makes things better. And somehow or another controlling the resources makes things better. And there's all these observations now from people that are paying attention to what's going on in Afghanistan about minerals. Minerals and how long they've known that Afghanistan is this incredible deposit of minerals. Or Congo. What's happening now in the Congo is 100% due to coltan.

They wouldn't be fighting. They wouldn't have all the money. It's called coltran? Coltan. Coltan? And coltan is a rare be fighting they wouldn't have all the money they would have coltan coltan and coltan is a is a rare thing wrong that makes um also your iphone your samsung your your ipad they all need coltan uh to actually work and the majority of coltan uh actually is in Congo. And so what's happened now is this continual warfare. It's I believe now the sixth bloodiest war in the history of humanity.

It's all happening because of iPads, iPhones, Samsungs, all these things. We're buying them. This is the whole thing of we're disconnected. I mean I grew up thinking, well, whatever happens in Africa happens in Africa. That's their problem problem not my problem and then you realize oh that fucking war is happening because i have an iphone 5 and that's that's the reality of the situation it's sort of analogous to the human experience if you really – boy, that sounds gay. Hippie and gay at the same time. We're really having a love fest here.

Trying to pick up a confused dude. In the new studio. But the human – if you look at the human experience and you look at where we're at right now at the highest levels, and let's perceive that the highest levels are innovation and technology and that the fact that we can broadcast this with minimal cost, even though it's kind of sucking right now, powerful AT&T. Why'd you get DSL? I don't know, man. I had a fucking business manager handle this shit. How old is this business manager?

I don't know. I've never met him. Oh. Listen, dude. You need a young kid to do that shit. I got shit I need to deal with. This is not one of them. You're throwing me off.

Where was I? Minerals, everything. Minerals. Whatever. Is it important that I finish my sentence? I have nothing to say, ladies and gentlemen. I'm grandstanding, clearly. I'm trying to somehow or another project better ideas.

Through whiskey. Through whiskey and marijuana. Allegedly. Allegedly. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, folks. I sound like Colin Quinn there. You've got to irrigate the mind.

Yeah, that's important. People who don't drink or have never been drunk, I don't really like you, nor do I trust you. Okay, I'm going to be honest. I trust drunks. I even trust dry drunks. You're just saying that because I'm here. No.

No. I'm just being honest. I appreciate sober people. Don't get me wrong. But if you have not at least experienced whiskey, with all the people raving about it, would you not dive in the waters at least once? How stubborn are you? You've never had a drop of alcohol. Who are you partying with, man? That's ridiculous. If your friends have kept you from a drop

of alcohol, they're assholes. It's usually people that have had too many drops of alcohol. It seems like everyone I know is in AA out here. Well, you know what? The issue is slightly biological, and that's something that I'm willing to admit 100%, because I have friends that I trust dearly, like Fitzsimmons. Greg Fitzsimmons is – Greg and I have been friends since we were in our early 20s. I think we met when I was 21, and Greg was probably the same age. Greg has always had – he's a legit alcoholic in the sense of he could have a drink today and he could be fine, but there will be a pull, a biological pull that's reinforced by his relatives.

It's reinforced by generations. And I have many friends that have this issue, and I do not discount it. My friend Tate Fletcher, he's a brilliant guy, and Tate has a problem with substances. He cannot – he's like – I go, could you even take a baby hit of a joint? He goes, maybe, or I could wake up in an alleyway naked and not know what the fuck happened. And I'm not willing to make that jump. I'm not willing to take that chance. There's biological weirdness to, people fucking get, they die from peanuts.

Yeah. Okay? A person can be allergic to peanuts and die. I would never discount that. be allergic to peanuts and die. I would never discount that. But I think that generally speaking, there's a mentality of non-chance taking, boring bullshit that comes with the I've never had a drink pre-poll. There's a few examples that are contrary, like Penn Gillette. He's never had a drop of alcohol. The only time he's ever had any sort of medication is when he's been injured after surgery,

like some sort of a painkiller. But he's a brilliant guy and I love talking to him. He's one of the rare examples. Most people that have never even been fucked up. You never tried to get laid when it was preposterous. You've never tried to pick up a girl where there's no way medically you can get an erection. If you've never been 21 years old and thrown up in the backseat of a cab, who are you? Who are you and who do you party with?

But I also think that it's, again, to go back to the people we're talking to, is it's a way to sort of distance yourself from all the norms and to say, I'm going to question what the fuck's going on. And maybe some conspiracy theories are not true and maybe some are true. But at least we have to question them. Oh, for sure there's a lot that aren't true. For sure there's not. But we have to question them.

Yes. And that's the whole thing. We have to question shit. That's what we are as humans. We have to fucking question shit and we also have to say how do we get better it's just a funny thing to say but i'm not endorsing alcohol consumption but there's a certain humility that comes from being an educated drunk where you step back and kind of you know you just realize like look this is all fun you know like tony bourdain you know anthony bourdain i've had the pleasure of having on the podcast he's a guy just like you a regular dude you talk

to him but there's a certain like having a drink with you having a drink with him having a drink with anyone who's just a real guy anyone who – where there's a moment that comes where you've had a couple of drinks where you look at each other and you go, ah, we're fucked, huh? Who knows? It's crazy. But he's a perfect example of a dude who had a cooking show on the Travel Channel. Well, before that, he's a chef. Yeah, he was a chef. Who wrote a book.

And the book is so – It's confidential. So honest and crazy. It told the truth about what the hell happens in restaurants. Exactly. But he had a cooking show on a travel channel, Nothing and Nothing. And he turned it into a political statement. And he turned it into trying to tell the truth.

And he turned it into, we're going to eat some food. But what the fuck is really going on with real people? Yes. And I think, again, there's a whole movement. There's you. There's him. There's me. But there's like hundreds of thousands.

Millions of us. There's millions of us. We're just finding new voices. Just now because of technology. And I think that him, and I believe he built the Travel Channel on his – What about Bert Kreischer? How do you feel about Bert? BertBertBert.com?

Well, just to finish with Anthony Bernay, I would say that that guy went out into the world and talked about shit that you should talk about on a channel that would never talk about that shit otherwise. On a channel, by the way, that's very conservative. Owned by Scripps. Yeah. Which is the most conservative – Scripps. Scripps? Yeah. conservative. Owned by Scripps. Yeah. Which is the most conservative. Scripps. Scripps? Yeah.

So travel channels owned by Scripps. Is that like prescriptions? No, it's like S-C-R-I-P-P-S. It's a very Christian fundamentalist. And he takes a lot of heat and he gets a lot of shit and they tell him not to do stuff and he says, fuck you, I'm going to do it anyway because he wants to fucking tell the truth. And I got to give it up to him.

He has a lot of fucking courage. In their defense, in their defense, I do understand that the Travel Channel has started to try to reevaluate their position and maybe reach out because I heard they're interested in Ari Shaffir because some of their executives saw him kill at the DC Improv. And so they decided they wanted to look at him. But Bourdain, like, look. He opened the door. Oh, no, no, no. Scripps is super,

super conservative, super Christian. Their poster child is a dude who goes out in the world and says, we'll eat some food, we'll cook some shit, but I'm going to tell you

the fucking truth about what's going on. You know what he did? He said, I'm going to show you some cool shit. I'm going to show you some cool music.

I'm going to show you some cool bands. And people are going to talk about what's really going on. And people are going to talk about what's really going on. And people are going to, by the way, watch the Travel Channel. Bert Kreischer, I love him to death. I would totally watch any show that

he's on, but I never watched the Travel Channel before Anthony Bourdain was on. I never even thought about watching it. I don't know how I even tuned into his show. I suspect that I was just channel surfing. I was just flipping through channels and all of sudden, there's this guy who's talking about Vietnam and how much he loves Vietnam. And I remember going, who is this crazy fuck? Vietnam.

Saudi Arabia, Liberia. He's eating camels, and he's loving it. Most importantly, he approaches the whole thing with this really palpable feeling of humility and honesty and pie-eyed drunkenness on occasion. And it's not just admirable. It's enticing. It's attractive. It pulls me. It's like your shows, all of your shows, man. I found out about Vice because of the Heinmo episode, the guy who lives in the arctic where does he live

is like northeast alaska something like that he lives in the most remote uh part of the of the world he's the he lives he's the most remote human being in the world there's um i have a message board on my website and the message board is before twitter it's been around since like 1998 my my friend andrew started the message board and it's been this incredible like magnet for fucking weirdos and a lot of cool people but what's what's been really fascinating that twitter has sort of surpassed it in a way just because of the sheer access but what my message board became was this this strange area where cool shit would be drawn to so they would post these things these threads about shit you would never find out on your own just the average person is not connected to community you're

never gonna find it what do you why would you even look at vice.com why would what would you be googling that would connect you to the series? Someone put up this link to this video, and I watched this guy that's got frozen car dude who lives in a 100 foot square shack in the fucking most hostile environment known to man and to see that he was not not only was he not a loon but that he was cut there was no narration he the narration was just sort of describing how they got there and what was going on but it. But it was never any judgment on people or the scenario. And what I found really fascinating about it, I was like, you got to know a guy with all the, And Heinmo has lived here for 65 years.

He's content, wandering the frozen countryside, hoping to spot a caribou. Is he happy? Only Heinmo truly knows. You didn't do that. You instead inserted intelligent people into an alternative sort of situation. This sounds like we're blowing each other. There's a lot of people right now that are going to be online like, bro, I'm glad I didn't fucking watch this one live.

You guys just piss each other's dicks. The thing is it's because we practice a type of journalism called immersionism where we go, we immerse ourselves in the actual story, and we just press record. You guys changed this podcast. I want you to know that for sure, 100%. That episode and the subsequent episodes that I watched, all the different – you guys changed. Because I was like, this guy is fucking – you're there. You're actually there. You're really going to – right when I was making fun of kissing someone's dick, I kissed his dick so hard.

What are you guys doing? Just being honest. What I will say talking about Twitter is after I do this podcast, you get so much response from people who give a shit. Yeah. And people who are like saying this shit, like the truth, and it blew my mind, and this and that and whatever. And you realize like we're guys just talking about shit and whatever. And they're going, I learned more on that podcast than Fox and MSNBC and fucking CNN and everybody all put together. And that's the tragedy.

It's great for us. It's the tragedy because we're just regular dudes going, okay, this is what the fuck is happening. I don't think it's a tragedy, man. I think it's the normal chain of progression. And I think it's a natural it's a natural system and i think that you don't get to be you unless you've seen burt reynolds get a crazy facelift right you don't get to be you until you've seen all the most preposterous shit that people have done you don't get to be you until you read all the crazy accounts of nonsensical violence on

the internet the crazy revolutions in arab spring and all over the world and all the things you physically experience by actually being in these places where there are chaotic events that are just uncontrollable by the population it's out out of hand. But it doesn't mean anything unless people watch it. It doesn't mean anything unless there's an audience. It doesn't mean anything. Right, but you're compelled. You can't even take credit for what you're doing because you're compelled.

You're compelled by the natural order of the universe. The natural order of the universe is to move in a progressive direction, in a more understanding and more comprehensive, enlightened direction. That's all of our ideas. The idea is not to maintain the science of the 1700s. The idea is to figure out how to get on Mars and create an atmosphere so we can have a

new planet in case this one gets hit by an asteroid. The idea is that it consistently moves forward. And I think we're just caught in a struggle of that happening. And my real hope for the world, all that shit about the people that believe that you can manifest reality, the secret and the idea that your own mind and the more you focus on things. Maybe, maybe, maybe it's just the fact that you're not paying attention to what you could do positively and that's what impacts the world and positively what we've got to figure out how to do is to change the mindset of all the people and the people that are in positions of power instead of fighting them and attacking them, try to understand the fact that the human animal is incredibly frustrated.

We don't know what's going on. We have these fucking bodies that are exactly the same as pre-internet, as a superorganism, take in all of the knowledge and distribute it in a way that we govern over the consciousness of the population in a fair and ethical way that keeps everybody happy. But I think ultimately that that is a possible scenario. For sure. It has to be. It has to be. If we don't believe that, then we're really fucked. I don't think that dummies can...

Because you keep saying doom and gloom. I don't think this is doom and gloom. I think this is positive. Because as long as we know what the fuck is going on, we can work towards doing something about it. The problem is we didn't know what the fuck was going on because nobody fucking told us. That's a perfect way of describing it. That's a perfect way of describing it.

The real problem is that we were living in some crazy movie. Since the 1950s, we have been locked into some sort of crazy version of the world that is in many ways based on fiction. And the real issue is whether the war or the worlds. Remember the war or the worlds? You got to piss? No. You got to go? No, no.

What are you doing with your head? I'm going to go get a drink, but I didn't want you to say that. The war or the worlds freaked fucking people out. If you don't know what it is, Orson Welles in like, who knows when the fuck it was. Alex wants to get out of here, but it's not happening, bitch. Take a seat.

Don't worry about your previous commitments. They're not as interesting. The War of the Worlds was the first time where human beings were able to be tricked into thinking by Orson Welles that there was an attack by alien beings like people freaked out and it's really difficult to discern how much of it is bullshit how much of it actually happened because they say there were

suicides who knows what the actual statistics were you know we're talking about the 1930s or whatever the fuck it was. But the reality is that human beings were not prepared for the information that was coming at them. They weren't prepared. That wasn't a regular part of their life where they had grown accustomed to having this fakery planted on them. It's not like today with the onion. Every now and then I'll retweet an article and it turns out to be some new fake onion. It's a bunch of dudes

who think that the onion is cool so they create their own bullshit news story. Those motherfuckers and you retweet them. But that's to be expected. The people that existed before the internet or before... Those are the people that sort of set the scenario.

They set the momentum of our culture and they did not have access to the shit we have now. The idea that we're so hung up on the brilliant wisdom of some people that lived in the 1700s and created the Declaration of Independence, which, by the way, was written on fucking hemp, the first draft. The fact that we're committed to the ideology, these people that lived, they didn't have cars, man. Or 2,000 years ago, that's when religion started. And ever since then, everything else is a cult. But 2,000 years ago, that's when we knew what the fuck was going on. Well, I got a joke in my act about Romney,

that it's a cult when you know who wrote it. Right. You know, he's in a cult because it's a cult when you know who wrote it. Right. Exactly. It's a cult because it's not like we have to go back to some fucking shit they found in Qumran that was written on animal skins. This is like, we know the guy. His name was Joseph Smith, and he was only 14.

Sure. I mean, this is not that confusing. You're a fucking cult, man. And he found the Book of latter-day saints in his backyard but you know what's beautiful about the the mormon cult is that what i've learned from my personal experiences is that there are certain people in this life and although i don't feel it's justified to lie to people there's certain people who do get by better if they follow like at least a scaffolding of morality sure some sort of something something that lets them believe that at the very top there's a cherry and that cherry's

god and he's right up there on top of the whipped cream and you just gotta get i think you know that's the problem is that if you look at this we were talking about global warming earlier and you say okay yeah shit's fucked up the world is thinking we're not going to believe in that because of god and you're like yeah but you're going to die and your kids are going to die and it's going to be bad if we don't just say this is the thing that is bad that's happening and it's no because it's god and whatever and they want and I think it's this yearning to have, there's a rational being who has a plan for all of us. Well, the fact of the matter is, is we're creating our reality and we are not a rational entity. Humanity isn't rational. Humanity is irrational and complex and

fucked up and weird. But at some point, somebody's got to come up and say, yeah, we're irrational and we're weird, given. But there are certain things that we do which are self-destructive. And by the way, they have to stop. For example, if you have the ability to destroy the fucking world, which is my world, you're destroying my world, right? And you're halfway across the world over there. If that's even a possibility, that's no is the answer. No, I'm not going to let that happen.

So that's why I keep preaching on this stuff because when I went there and I said, Bill Clinton said it's the end of the world, by the way. He did? Yeah. What did he say? So when he left the presidency, he said that is the reason why a cargo war, the war between India and Pakistan, was the glimpse of the end of the world. And then he got his dick sucked by a youngin'. Holla!

That's why. That's why he takes blowjobs from interns. If the fucking end is near, why not? At least enjoy that sweet release. Eat, drink, and be merry. Oh, your chubby face. Eat, drink, and be merry. Oh, your chubby face. Eat, drink, and be merry. Yeah.

The problem with that is when we went back, we realized, oh, it's fucking way worse than when he said it was the end of the world. So hold on, hold on. The whole thing is, though, is we can stop it. We can say, fuck it. Fuck it. We can't just, we just have to say there can be no, you know, intercontinental or ballistic or nuclear warheads. There can be no, because what you're saying, just so everybody understands, what you're saying then is as long as that technology is there,

it will go to Iran. It will go to Pakistan. It will go to Congo. It will go to Pakistan. It will go to Congo. It will go to Libya. It will go because the technology is there, right? And what happens when Gaddafi, now Gaddafi is gone, but what happens when Gaddafi has warheads? What happens when AQ Khan has warheads? What happens when Iran has warheads? When Israel attacks Iran because they can't have a nuclear Iran, what's going to happen? What will happen when they attack Iran? Everybody knows.

Everybody knows what will happen when they attack Iran. And it's going to be a fucking catastrophe. However, it's nothing. It's zero compared to what's happening in India and Pakistan. It's nothing. It's zero compared to what's happening in India and Pakistan. Israel and Palestine is like, you know, like, I guess when you're like 20, 21, and you have that one couple that just won't fucking break up,

and they keep fighting and they keep asking you for advice. You know, what do you think I should tell her, bro? What do you think I should tell her? And I'm like, I think you should fucking run. I know those people now. Fucking stupid shit. Well, yeah, there's a lot of them that use that as a distraction, right? Don't they?

Don't they? Aren't all conflicts ultimately some form of distraction? Because if the Israelis looked at the Palestinians that are suffering and these poor people that are trying to make this sort of home for themselves in this Gaza region, this very dangerous and hostile region, what if they treated them all as Israelis? What if they treated them all as just fellow humans? What if instead of lumping them into groups based on ideology and who believes what old crazy shit, what if they just looked at him as that could be your cousins? I mean, that would instantly change the whole thing. Right.

The idea that we need to exist in a conflict scenario is the problem. That's the real issue. I don't agree with that. I have a neighbor. I don't even know this motherfucker. And he wanted me to chop down my trees, but he's still nice. I say hi to him when I drive by. The only conversation I've ever had with this guy was a conflict. But I don't hate the dude. He wanted me to chop down my trees, but he's still nice. I say hi to him when I drive by.

The only conversation I've ever had with this guy was a conflict. But I don't hate the dude. I want him to be happy. Just don't be crazy. Leave me alone, you motherfucker. I'll give you a hug. Come here. Give me a hug.

What are you, nuts? Come on. Let's go have a drink. The whole world can approach other human beings like that. It's just we have to get past this ingrained scenario that we have in our head, which is that war is a part of nature. And nature is insurmountable. It is what it is. You've got to accept men are going to want to be philanders. And there's going to be conquest and swords and fucking rockets.

But if you go to Mexico and you see what's happening there now, it's the rule of the thug. if you go to mexico and you see what's happening there now it's the rule of the thug if you go to pakistan it's the rule of the thug if you go to congo it's the rule of the thug why because conflict breeds lowest common denominator it breeds i have a gun and i'm willing to shoot it right and whoever that's those aren't high thinking people those aren't people thinking we're going to save the world those aren't high-thinking people. Those aren't people thinking we're going to save the world. Those aren't people thinking the world is sinking. Those aren't people thinking we could destroy the environment by having a nuclear standoff. What they're thinking is I'm going to gain power because I have a bunch of guys, young guys, generally young men, with guns. If you look at what's happening in Europe right now, this is what's terrifying, is you

go to Spain and you say, Spain, you know, old country, educated country, you know, EU country, 50% of young people are unemployed. So you've taken away their future. We were just shooting there. Six million people came out and fucking shut the whole country down. That's people who are pissed off, really pissed off. While you were filming there, what happened? We were just shooting there. Six million people came out and fucking shut the whole country down. That's people who are pissed off, really pissed off. While you were filming there, what happened?

Riots. What were they about? Well, they're about anti-austerity. So it's young people saying we're fucked. But, I mean, there's riots in Paris. I don't know what austerity means. What does that mean? So, you know, Spain is fucked economically.

Greece is fucked economically. What's happening there, this is what's really terrifying, is that in – so prolonged economic crisis, so the recession. Now, the last time this happened was the Depression. Now, what happened because of the Depression was the rise of radical political solutions, i.e. communism or fascism. So now what's happened is you have the rise of the Communist Party in Greece and to counteract that you have the Golden Dawn, which are full-on fascists who now are 14% of the government. Did you say the Golden Dawn? Golden Dawn are – Yeah, that's what I heard.

The Golden Dawn, they have – Do you just say the Golden Dawn and we'll pretend because it's ridiculous, whatever it is. Golden Dawn. Yeah, okay. They do the Nazi salute. they have the swastika as their thing imagine if they had a big fucking thing on their shirt was a big golden dick frothy dongs would it be look would it be hard or would that be offensive for a military would have to be like well they have the support of the military and the police. And everywhere we went was anti-immigration, anti-EU, anti-this, anti-that. And what's happening in Europe, this is what's terrifying is because you have an economic crisis, you have the rise of communists and fascists. So, for example, in France, you have a very far left government and the second party is Front National, fascist.

is, front national, fascist. And you sit there and you say, okay, the exact same political situation, exactly, that started World War II is happening today in Europe. Not fucking Africa, not Pakistan, not India, Europe. And it's happening in Germany, it's happening in Scandinavia, it's happening in Spain, it's happening in Italy, it's happening in Greece, it's happening in all these countries. And you sit there and everyone's just watching as exactly the same fucking thing that started World War II to the T, to the fucking T.

Riots in the streets, ultra-right, ultra-left, wing parties fighting each other, radical parties getting more and more power. And you're saying, what the fuck do we have to do? Do we have to relive it again? It's exactly the same thing that started World War II. Is that just a natural cycle of humanity? I mean, if you look at societies, you look at cultures, and you look at this rise and fall, when you go to the Acropolis and you see ancient Greek ruins, and you wonder, why are these regular houses really close to this incredible structure? What happened?

Is this inevitable? Are we in this constant state of developing consciousness? And one of the big wrestling matches of trying to sort of innovate and accomplish higher levels of society and culture is that you have to meet some sort of opposition. And if you don't meet opposition, you won't have the motivation to really accelerate things as fast as the technology around you is accelerating. You can completely get out of hand like it is right now, like it is right now, with dictators and crazy fucks controlling nuclear weapons. It's almost like those things have to be in place in order to motivate the highest levels of thinking.

Well, you know, the cliche is those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it. And what's interesting is when you go talk to young people in Europe and you say you understand that this is exactly the same thing that happened at the start of World War II, they're like, I don't, you know, they don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. And they don't understand history. The other thing is they don't understand war. And if you ever go look at war, and this is why I was talking about with Iraq, is war isn't the manly, you know, I got my shoulder nicked by a bullet or, you know, I come back

with a purple heart. War is a catheter bag. War is I don't walk again. War is I'm irradiated. War is I'm fucked up in the brain for the rest of my life. And those who don't understand war are doomed to repeat it. And by the way, you know, hawks and people who say, let's go to war, let's go to war. Go to war. Go see a war zone. It's fucking tragic. It's tragic from start to fucking finish it's babies with no fucking fathers it's every man fucking killed it's you know rape it's you know in some cases in africa cannibalism it's it's literally the lowest form of what we are as

humanity and people who say let's go to fucking war let's go to war let's go you should fucking realize that before you go to war young dudes you know that we know are going to come back and their dick isn't going to work again they're fucking they're never going to shit right again all this stuff and you go okay that's what these people are proposing in europe in india in pakistan in africa in southeast as, in some cases in South America, and in some cases here. That's what people are proposing. You're like, what the fuck? I would just like to take anyone who wants to say let's go to war. I'd like to take them to a war zone.

Because if you take people to a war zone, first you puke, then you cry, and then you freak the fuck out. How many people do you think in positions of power actually go to war zones? None. Wow. I mean mean some must i mean you see photos you don't but you don't see what it really does so you don't meet the you don't see the reason why the reason why i do what i do is because i've been to war zones and I've seen shit that makes your stomach fucking turn and you'll never sleep right again. Because when you see what war really fucking does and talk to Marines and talk to Rangers and talk to guys who come back from war, talk to them before they go and then talk to them when they come back. It's a completely different fucking conversation. I have.

And it's very similar to people that I know that have been to jail. There's a – I have a friend. We were friends when I was a teenager. And he was always crazy. And he just vanished. We didn't know what happened because I just knew him from the martial arts gym that I trained at. But he came back three years later with all these crazy scars all over his body. He had been in prison.

Right. And he was a completely different human being. It was like before, he was this lovable troublemaker. And three years later, the lovable troublemaker was gone. There was a psycho. There was a guy who would fight for survival. He was like a wild animal. You won't come back normal.

Yeah. You won't come back normal. Well, I've met friends that have gone to war, too. come back no I've met friends that have gone to war too I've had quite a few friends that were in the military and went over and came back including a buddy of mine who went over as a mercenary yeah you know it's a it's a weird conversation when you're alone you know sitting down on the curb somewhere going so so what'd you have to do yeah what was it like yeah what would you you know how much they pay you yeah do you want to do it again you done I'm done

are you sure what the fuck there's it again? Are you done? I'm done. Are you sure? What the fuck? There's realities in this world that I think most people in their day-to-day existence do not consider as a part of the equation. And those realities are a real problem. They're a real problem for our culture. Because not only are they disgusting, but they're avoidable. Most of them are avoidable. We have a distorted perception of what can be done with the resources that we have in place.

And I think that distorted perception is based on greed. Yeah. When you see war and the aftermath of war, which is, again, to describe it, I'm not even going to do it justice, but milky eyes from chemical weapons. To describe it, I'm not even going to do it justice, but milky eyes from chemical weapons, people with their limbs hacked off systematically, women who have been raped 50, 70, 100 times, incredibly scarred people. And by the way, if you go over, especially if you go over from our culture, spend three years in that culture. And look, it's chronicled after World War II, after Vietnam, after Afghanistan, after Iraq. And you go to these things, you will never be normal again. You will never, either mentally or physically, you will never be normal again. So why do we still fucking rattle our sabers? Why do we still say we're going to fight?

Why do we still say we're going to fuck each other up? And the thing is, is if you look at it and you say, okay, why the fuck did we go to Iraq? Why the fuck were we there? All these fucking guys, all these Marines, all these army guys who come back fucked up. Why did you come back? Why did you come back so fucked up and you're never going to be normal again? Why? Why?

Was it Al-Qaeda? Was it 9-11? No. be normal again why why was it al-qaeda was it 9-11 no jesus christ shane smith you motherfucking downer i was gonna go home tonight and maybe watch a little boardwalk empire reminisce about how fucked up people were in the past that's your network now that's the network the way, we're doing a new show. And the other thing is, I will say this. Next year, we're launching a news channel in 18 countries, 18 languages, 24 hours, news around the world. Why?

Because news is so fucked that we're going to do news on our own. Fuck it. Fuck you. Fuck everybody. We're going to do it on our own way. That's a lot of fucks, buddy. You sure you want to throw all those out there? I don't know if that's good karma.

Brian? No. It's not. Brian says it's not good karma. You've got to be careful with what you project. And by the way, I have to go now because we're launching our news channel and we're going to go do the deal right now. And I wanted to come here before we did that because this is what I enjoy doing. Shane Smith, you, sir, are a bad motherfucker.

Thank you very much. It's been an honor once again to have you on the show. Honestly, you've changed the show. The first, I would like to say this is the first fucking podcast from the new studio, which I fucking love. This is it. I love it. This is day one. Our internet sucks a fat dick.

Joe Rogan! We will fix it, though, folks. And if it's possible, we will fix it, goddammit. We will get a satellite for the roof, okay? That's even worse, I think. I think that's way worse. We're going to make this shit happen, Shane Smith, you bad motherfucker. Follow him on Twitter.

It's ShaneSmith30. Why? Because Shane Smith Anonymous is a greedy bitch. He doesn't want to give up his fucking name. anonymous is a greedy bitch doesn't want to give up his fucking name listen shane smith all i want you to do is go and watch a few videos of the real shane smith in the fucking congo and you sir will give up your twitter name okay there is more important things than you can't you be snuggle bunny 69 or some shit son uh go to vice.com and be informed in an honest and real fashion, you fucks.

And one day, soon, there will be a show produced by Vice that will be on HB motherfucking O. And what is that? What is it called? It's called Vice. It's called Vice. That's all you need to know.

Why fuck around and get creative and call it Snow snow flowers through an extra Dimension I would have been better if I planned that on advance. I would have had some Better things to say there, but I ran into a wall shit time to pull myself out with August first Brian red band August first August why do I always say August in December might be drunk I might be a little drunk August and December To me For whatever reason They blend together

Yeah If you're If it's in August And you're listening to this In the future And it's the apocalypse And you go The Moody Theater in Austin

Doesn't even exist anymore I'm sorry I just went brain I stumbled over my words December 1st It will be Duncan Motherfucking Trussell

Brian Motherfucking Red Band And me And we'll be at The Moody Theater words. December 1st it will be Duncan motherfucking Trussell, Brian motherfucking Red Band, and me. And we'll be at the Moody Theater in Austin, Texas, which is, if you're listening live, which I don't think anybody is at this point, it will be this Saturday night, December 1st. Come get your freak on with us in Tejas.

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And we'll see you fucks at the Moody Theater Saturday night. Holla! Holla! you