The Joe Rogan Experience - #291 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: November 28, 2012

Joe sits down with Duncan Trussell.

are going to get paranoid when that thing's in here. Oh, dude. It'll scare you. I believe it. I know the wolf. The fucking yellow goddamn eyes. That fucking gnashing. It blanked out. Oh, my God. Let me just see that. Here.

We are now joined on Ustream. Oh, powerful Ustream. That's a full live version. Full-size version of the wolf. Jesus. God damn Christ. That thing's spooky. that was an awesome movie folks if you haven't seen it how dare you if you haven't seen american world from london is the greatest horror movie of all time i love that fucking movie i used to think that but then

i saw the worst horror movie of all time what was that funny games what is that what oh that's the one you were telling yeah it's just you just the director said the appropriate response to it is walking out halfway through. This is a human-created violence scary movie, right? Yeah, it's just it's a horror. It's like I've seen almost every horror movie. But it's not monsters, right? It's human. No, it's not werewolves.

See, I'm not interested in, like, mean people. I like watching a good werewolf movie or some shit or a vampire movie. I like watching nonsense. Showing me some guy who's going to kill somebody with a pair of pliers, I really don't need to see that. I know there's guys that will do that. Oh, no, no, no. This is not even like that. This isn't like some slasher flick, dude.

This is like, according to the director, it's commentary on the infiltration of the mainstream media and of popular life. And they're using this story to articulate it. It's deep. It's fucking deep. It's about fascism. But man, it is like, your stomach will roll when you watch this fucking thing. Highly recommend it. I only saw the U.S. version.

Some people say that the U.S. version, it's shot for shot. It's shot this fucking thing. Highly recommend it. I only saw the U.S. version. Some people say that the U.S. version, it's shot for shot. It's shot for fucking shot. It's the guy from Reservoir Dogs. What's his name? The fucking undercover cop from Reservoir Dogs? Tim Roth. Yeah, Tim Roth is in it.

He fucking nails it, dude. That guy's awesome. He is awesome. He's not in it enough shit. I know. What's that guy do? Does he do like plays or something? Seems like it. Is he an autist? He's not in enough shit. I know. What's that guy do? Does he do like plays or something? Seems like it.

Is he an autist? He's an autist. He's a badass motherfucking actor. Dude, you know what I did last night, man? I went to this movie theater that fucking Quentin Tarantino owns called the New Beverly. And they show grindhouse flicks twice a month. And last night they were showing an anti-drug grindhouse flick called, like, The Acid Strip or something. What exactly does Grindhouse mean?

I don't know. I want to Google that, but I don't know. Yeah, I always wondered. When I saw that, when I saw he was doing those movies, the one with, what was the pretty girl from Charmed? What the fuck is her name? I don't know. God damn it. They were all pretty in that show, Charmed.

It's just fucking awesome, man, because it's like the original fucking... It's the original movie, so it's kind of fucked up. This had Bud Cort in it. It was shot in Italy. Yeah. Rose McGowan. that's the chick she was in it and she was uh she had like one leg was a gun or something like that oh yeah and i was like what the fuck is grindhouse like what is that it's just like an old kind of stupid gory weird kind of artistic style like i think they vary

this one was like just the stupid, funniest thing you've ever seen. The way they were trying to do the anti-drug message in the 60s. And Bud Cort plays this kind of rampaging hippie weirdo. Here's the definition. A grindhouse is an American term for a theater that mainly shows exploitation films. for a theater that mainly shows exploitation films. It's named after the defunct burlesque theaters located on 42nd Street in New York City where bump and grind dancing and striptease were featured.

Wow. That's crazy. So that was, that's the old 42nd Street. That's back when New York City had a really fucked up area. Yeah. Do you remember what it was like? Did you ever go to New York City when it was crazy? No way. I've heard about it, but I never went there. I was there many times when it was still dangerous. It was really interesting. That 42nd Street

was a completely different place. They decided, made like this active decision to clean that fucking place up and take out all the bullshit and make it like super like fan-friendly and super visitor-friendly. Yeah. So what it used to be was like one dirty little stripped tees and peep show and triple X movie and it was fucking creepy. People – creepy people hanging out. Like, let's Google old photos of Times Square. It's like Taxi Driver. It's like the movie Taxi Driver. That's where it was hanging out.

Yeah. I remember that. I remember it was like, I came to New York a couple times when I was in my teenage years. And I remember being there and wandering around going, what a fucking crazy place this is, man. Yeah.

I had family in New Jersey, and they had taken me to Manhattan a few times when I was young. And I remember, like, man, I barely remember it when I was, like, a little kid. Barely remember. But I remember, like, feeling it's, like, dangerous. Like, it's so big and crazy.

It is dangerous. But I remember when I was, like, feeling it's, like, dangerous. Like, it's so big and crazy. It is dangerous. But I remember when I was, like, in my teenage years is when I saw, like, the peep shows and all that shit. I saw those. We came there for a karate tournament. There was a big karate tournament they used to do at Madison Square Garden every year. So we came in, me and a bunch of fucking soft dorks from Boston, you know, Newton even, where I was from, the suburbs of Boston, to go to this crazy fucking city. Like, we were essentially living in Mayberry compared to, like, New York City.

You know, you have your own problems with, like, socially with people everywhere. But where I grew up, like, I went to Newton South High School. It's, like, one of the nicest high schools ever. You know, you're always going to have problems with human beings whenever you get 17-year-olds and you mix them all together. There's going to be problems. But like, there's like very few fights in school. Very few, like no one got really

seriously injured. You know, there was like a few squabbles and people got upset with people. But other than that, it was a nice place to live. I didn't realize how easy it had until you're in Manhattan, you know, and you're like 17 years old and you're like in times square and you're like what the fuck is this place yeah like this place is crazy it's just one person after another who wants to fuck you and give you some new disease like one of just people looking to fuck people and people

looking to jerk off and people looking to go sit and watch someone play with their asshole in front of you while you be but while you beat off in a booth and then someone cleans that like that was time square oh no one cleans it though they did clean it they would go in there with a mop man they would do they would go in there with a mop and they'd look at you like you motherfucker i told you when i was in san francisco i went to one of those places and i accident like i've never been to the place where, like, the thing goes up and you're in, like, this room and there's just a bunch of people behind this glass, like, fingering themselves

and stuff, and I accidentally put my hand on the side, like, there was, like, a little thing that was wet. Ooh! Too bad! That's not good. That is not good. And, like, the guy was, like, I was, like, oh, I think I just put my hand in the cup and he goes, oh, no, we clean those things in between every person, and then I just watch people go in and out, and I was, like, no, like, oh, I think I just put my hand in cum and goes, oh, no, we clean those things every, in between every person.

And then I just watch people go in and out. And I was like, no, you don't. I'm watching people right now. Oh, you put your hand in jizz. Yeah. It's just cells. Don't worry about it, man. If you had to choose between a guy punching you in the head or jizzing on your face, what

would you pick? Punching in the head. I would take the jizz in the face all day. You know why? What would you do, Duncan? Can I pick both? You know why? What would you do, Duncan? Can I take those? You know why? Because I'll tell you why.

Because A, I've been punched in the face and it's not fun. And B, I've accidentally cum in my face and it was not that bad. Oh, God. It was delicious. No, it wasn't delicious, but it wasn't nothing that hurt. It was pretty pain-free. It was warm, you know. When I was, like, 16, I was, you know, I was completely retarded.

Of course, I was using the pull-out method. My also-teenage girlfriend, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. We were idiots. We shouldn't have been alone together. So I would pull out, and one time I pulled out, and I shot it so far, it hit me in the face. Like, I was, like, looking down at it as I pulled it out. I guess I wanted to see how much came out.

And it hit me right in the mug. Splat. And I was like, wow. So that's what it feels like. It was kind of exciting. What the fuck? Put yourself in the girl's position. It feels like, now you understand why they would want a hot load in the face.

It's hot. You're like, ah, it represents the man's passion on your face. Oh. Not that I want it from anyone other than me. No, that doesn't sound like it at all. It only happened once. There's other things that only happened once that I'm shocked with. One of them is beating off in in the car i've only beat off

in the car once in my entire driving yeah one time when i was living in boston i was working for a limo company and uh i was driving home it was a long ride and it was horny so i just beat off it was like something to do and uh i just squirted a load inside my shirt tucked it back in my pants yeah and then you know i remember doing it and remember thinking, well, all right, so here's some new fucked up thing I do now. Because I figured I would just keep doing that now. I'd never jerked off in the car before. And being like 20 years old or whatever I was at the time, I was like, what an idiot. Did you really just start jerking off in the car?

Because that's what you're going to start doing all the time now, dummy. And I didn't for whatever reason. I never did it again. Like, what do you mean? Like that would become your fetish, jerking yeah i figured if i found one other place where i was comfortable jerking off that's not a good thing you know what i mean because i had jerked off at work before god imagine the world where jerking off was just normal and like you just like you know in line people are jerking off one time i jerked off at

work twice because i had this really hot date that night and i jerked i was doing construction i was in this basement i would we were building this house and uh i would just open the door beat off onto the yard and then go back to work i did it twice that's how fucked up i was and then when i went on the date that night with the girl i was like barely into it and i was like i'd wanted to fuck the date that night with the girl i was like barely into it and i was like i'd wanted to fuck this girl for so long and we finally like ran into each other somewhere and i was like holy shit and she was so down but i was like barely hard it was so sad i had a complete three quarters erection you fucked up and she was the first girl that um wanted to

put her finger in my ass and i was like you never forget that lady do you she goes i know what you want this is what she said she goes i know what you want we were both like 17 or something like that i i go what do i want she goes you want me to stick my finger in your ass i was like whoa what the how wrong are you yeah like that you couldn't be more wrong yeah that's more like what you want but But automatically, I didn't want to grill her because that's kind of rude to do to a girl you're dating. But you don't want to go, how many dudes have you stuck your finger up their ass? Because if you just offer that up, like the first time we hook up, you just offer up a finger up the ass and you're only 17. I think maybe I was 18 and she was 17 or 19 and 18, in that range, you know, right after high school or around that.

It's like she's already done this how many times? I wonder how many dudes' buttholes. This girl's just, I know what you want. The guy's like, yeah, you know it. Go for it, baby. Like just on a whim, on a hope that it's a good thing. Yeah. And all of a sudden she's sucking on her fingers and you're going, where's this going?

See, in the world of Kurzweil that we're talking about, the idea that you're going to be able to record everything, there will be a way that you can hack. And the way that guys will hack into their girlfriend's email, you'll be able to hack into your girlfriend's past and see a scan of like, you could actually just enter in, how many buttholes has her finger been in? 28. I'm reading that Sex at Dawn book. I'm reading the Sex at Dawn book. Pretty good. Yeah yeah it's fascinating and one of the things that I find

fascinating is all the different theories about why people act and behave certain ways when it comes to like sexual like how many sexual partners has your wife had why it's so important that you limit that number that you can trust her and keep her

it's really fascinating stuff man oh man that book is incredible I love that guy man that number, that you can trust her and keep her around. It's really fascinating stuff, man. Oh, man. That book is incredible. I love that guy, man. That's a really cool dude, too, Chris Ryan. He's brilliant. You had him on your podcast, didn't you? Twice.

Twice. Yeah, I've got to get in touch with him and try to see if he'll do this because he's really very interesting. I love the part about the Yucatan, the name of the Yucatan. Do you remember that part? I don't remember that. They – when Columbus's people or Cortez came to the Yucatan, they asked the people, like, what do you call this place? And they made this sound. Not that sound.

But they made this sound like, you know, and the guy said, Yucatan. Close enough. So they say, we're and the guy said, Yucatan. Close enough. So they say, we're going to call it the Yucatan. Well, it turned out that the Mayan scholars, after all those years of deciphering, they deduced that what he was trying to say was, I don't understand what you're saying. Oh, man. That's what he was saying. Yeah. That they had taken the Yucatan.

That's hilarious. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. That's such an amazing, like, I love knowing shit like that, like how it was. that they had taken to Yucatan. Hilarious. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. That's such an amazing, like, I love knowing shit like that, like how it was. And then knowing that that was only a few hundred years ago. Right. That's really kind of nuts.

We're so spoiled by the time that we arrived. You know, we're so spoiled that being alive in the year 2012, like just a few hundred years ago, there was people that got in boats and just traveled and didn't know where the fuck they were going and had no idea what they would find and didn't have math. Just a hundred. But, dude, think about – What is it, 500 years ago?

I love to think about that, man. And I love to think about the fucking feeling, that feeling that that's a feeling. I mean, we can find that. I mean, you could, you know, esoterically say, you know, we can search into the world of psychedelics for new lands. Yeah. But no one is ever going to know until interstellar travel happens. No one's ever going to know that fucking feeling of being on a ship and for the first time seeing land in a place where no one knows there's land yeah and the idea that you would have the audacity to go

look in the ocean to not know what's on the other side to just go out there like oh my god you had to have fucking tremendous balls yeah and the one of the things that must have been amazing back then was the ability to see the stars like as long as it wasn't cloudy out you could really see everything because there was no light pollution where if you if you've ever been in the country in the middle of the night oh yeah look up and on a clear night and just see fucking unbelievable amounts of stars it really makes you sad that that's not a regular feature like that what we've done by creating these beautiful cities and these safe roads to travel on we've disconnected ourselves from the vision of the cosmos yeah of our part in the cosmos yeah

when you're like in the country man you're staying in a farm and you go like kick back in a hammock and you look up and the entire sky is filled with stars. That is a perspective-enhancing experience. That's a visual psychedelic. Oh, yeah. Staring at the stars is a very visual psychedelic. Well, I mean you've got like light pouring into your eyes from the far reaches of the universe. You've got light coming into your eyes that's from so long ago.

And you're getting that feeling that you get when you see something beautiful. We seek out beautiful things. We seek out them. Whether they're flowers or sculptures or a person or a car. There's something that strikes us when we see something beautiful. You know, it's all subjective, but to each person, whatever their beautiful is, it lights that charge in their mind. Like, have you ever seen a guy who's, like, really into old cars and he sees an old Corvette or something like that? Oh, this is a 67.

Yeah. Look at the lines on this baby. Yeah. And you see him, like, his fucking eyes light up. the lines on this baby yeah and you see him like his fucking eyes light up and like this there's a charge that a person gets from a thing of beauty from seeing something that's beautiful there's an idea that that thing of beauty is lying underneath everything that the world's just covering that beauty up and that people use objects as a way to limit the beauty because to to like really accept the whole thing is like would be so potent that you start off like getting that feeling from cars or you start off getting that feeling

from looking up at the sky or you start off getting that feeling from falling in love but like that feeling is like underneath everything that's what everything's composed of is that sense of like wow holy shit because that's like a peak that's a peak feeling that feeling of being like whatever the thing is that activates it sometimes i think that maybe that's what enlightenment is is when you just hit that feeling perpetually you're just perpetually in that space of like wow this is amazing i uh i had a friend who was really into Buddhism. And she had this thing on her wall that said, Enlightenment is possible in this lifetime.

Yeah. And I remember reading that going, wow, that is a profound statement. Enlightenment is possible in this lifetime. And I remember thinking, wow, what a weird thing we all have in our heads is this burning desire to get our shit together. Yeah. Like everybody would love to be enlightened. Yeah. Beware of anybody who tells you they are.

Beware of anybody who tells you they don't want to be. Wow, that's great. Yeah. I just made that up. That's great, dude. That's really good. It's delicious. Yeah.

It's a gift from the universe. Yeah. That really is. I'm sure somebody probably already said it somewhere. Already, dude. That's really good. It's delicious. Yeah. It's a gift from the universe. Yeah. That really is. I'm sure somebody probably already said it somewhere. Already, yeah. That's too good. I couldn't have made that one up. No, I've never heard it.

I've heard if you see the Buddha on the road, kill him. I've never heard beware of anybody who says they're enlightened or who says they don't want to be. That's pretty good. When you talk to people and they have this box that they don't want to operate in, hey, I don't give a fuck. This is how I live. This is how I'm going to die. It's like our thing when we did and you and I broke down that country western song.

You know? Yeah. That ridiculous ending. I'm happy to be a single-celled organism. Anybody who wants to change that, you got to come through me. Yeah. Yeah, man. That kind of constricted life sucks for the person who's living in the constricted life and for the people living around the person in the constricted life.

And it's like you can – if you just play around with that fucking idea that you can permanently, permanently shift your consciousness so that you are experiencing life in the way that like those – however many times you've had it happen in your life, some people more, sometimes less. When you're for the first time, you like accomplish some big thing and you get that sense of like, oh, my God, man, I can fucking I can really do shit that I didn't think I could do. That feeling is like the universe at that moment unfolds. It's like a whole new room, a whole new giant land pops open in your subjective universe. You're like, wow, there's an entire other part of this life I had no idea about. Well, it's like if you can always be in that state of recognizing that this is the most beautiful peak experience that could happen to anything, which I think is what enlightened people, the people I've been around who are very advanced, I wouldn't call them enlightened. They're just happy, man.

They're just like, happy is the wrong word for it though. They're like connected and they're really, really not afraid to express love. You know, they're very, they're feeling love all the time. I think that that's a cool idea that you could feel that all the time. I think that that's a cool idea that you could feel that all the time. I think that's a beautiful idea that you could be in that place all the time. If you're careful about your friends and you only surround yourself with positive people,

I think you can work that out. I think you can do that all the time. It's all about constructing that environment though. You have to do that by sharp editing throughout your entire life. life you got to figure out how to edit yourself and edit people right you know you got to figure out how to get get the most like the get rid of as many of your own negative instances any of those that you can get away with not not causing yourself like minimize that try to get it down to zero where none of the negative moments are created because of your actions and then figure out who's creating all those other negative moments and eliminate interaction with those people yes i mean if you can do that like and then find like-minded folks who will not put anything try not to do anything negative to their friends

and don't want to accept anything negative either then you're about around a bunch of people who love each other let me throw out an idea because this is what you're talking about it's something that's some hippie bullshit no it ain't hippie bullshit man this is like the idea of like well in the beginning you know there's there's a uh the beginning of spiritual life is what they say they say the beginning of spiritual life is like a like a tendril like a uh the beginning of spiritual life is like a tendril, like the beginning of when a tree grows. And when a tree is growing at first, the most gigantic tree started off as a tiny little fucking sprig. So when you're in that place, it's really important to keep shit out that can fuck you up. And that's the idea of cutting people out or like cutting out the negative elements.

But then there's this other idea that i was listening to some ram das lecture he's talking about reactivity and that when you're around someone who's got a difficult personality or someone who's like an instigator a drama vortex you still get to decide if you're going to be reactive to that person or not you still get to be in control of the way you feel around that person. But in the beginning, that person can make you feel like shit. When you're around an asshole, your mood will drop, your mood shifts, you get mad, you get unhappy, you feel threatened. But the idea is, is as you advance and gain more and more control of your consciousness, then that stops happening. So you use that asshole as an emotional gym yes you use them as an emotional or uh psychological growth sparring partner yes and as you deal with their douchiness you learn how to better navigate douchiness throughout your life yeah and also

for the first time when the asshole is around someone who isn't reacting to them being an asshole they're gonna be like what the fuck is this? Because their whole life, they've been going through life getting cues from people like, ugh, ugh, I don't think so. No, ugh. So all of a sudden, if they're around someone who's like beaming,

you know, beaming, and the way that you would be beaming around when you saw, like when Joey Diaz walks into a room. Right. You're beaming that way around a cunt. Suddenly they're like, what the fuck is this?

Well, the real problem, though, is when they become physically violent. When you have dumb cunts that want to punch you, that's when you run into real situations. Yes. But how often? I mean, that doesn't happen that often. Most of the time. But you've managed to surround yourself with, you know, hipsters. I mean, if you're in certain parts of the country, certain parts of cities,

you can get punched in the face randomly. I've seen it. There's a terrible video of a woman in London. Some guy just comes and cracks her for no reason. Yeah, I saw that. They're looking for the guy.

Some teenage girl knocked unconscious. Demonic son of a bitch. It's just fucked up that people are capable of doing shit like that and that there's the broad spectrum

of the possible human actions. It's so's so broad i mean you could be a guy that she could have crossed paths with a guy who was like good morning you know at the top of the day to you and been real happy and made her feel really good and she could have moved on to you know her job or whatever feeling like really good instead she runs into the wrong guy and he cracks her and knocks her unconscious for no reason whatsoever. She hits her head in the concrete. I saw it, dude. She's out. It's horrible. You know what's amazing, man? This is

again that shit we were talking about in the beginning. This is the shift that's happening because there was a time in human history when a thug could go galloping up behind some young lass in the street and knock her down and the entire planet doesn't know about it in a matter of like eight hours you know this this is them this is the incredible time that we're in is that that it's a double-edged sword you see something like that and you you're either going to be like god damn this is a fucked up world we're living in i

there's guys will just run up behind someone and punch him in the head. Or the other side of it is like, fuck. In one – in a day or two, this act of violence has been broadcast all over the planet and has created a situation where people could like talk about how awful it is and how bad that is that people are like that. And I think that elevates us a little bit. I think it just takes a lot more time than we're used to, because we're used to processing power going up in a year, and hard drive space doubling. We're used to all these massive improvements, and then we don't see that in human nature. And it's really frustrating.

I think that this shift that we keep saying, I think it's just more subtle than people would like. It's not as fast as going from an old tube television to a 55 inch flat screen. It's not, you know, it's not as something different between having DSL and, you know, having, you know, 56K, you know, it's too small. So we still see these versions of the worst case scenarios of human behavior. It's shocking to us that they still exist. But I think the direction is for them to exist less. It seems like more and more as part of the shift, things are standing out that aren't shifting more and more.

Like, you know, like Romney, for example, or like these like crazy fucking like, you know, homophobic anti-abortion Republicans. Talking about my family boy. These crusty old sons of bitches more and more are starting to look like monsters. They're starting to look more like freaks, whereas they used to be able to like, you know, they used to be able to turn fucking high powered water h hoses on crowds of black people without losing their jobs. You know what I mean? So this shift is like – it's really interesting to watch the way that a lot of these crusty old pundits are reacting to it, man. They're having the same effect that when they threw water on the witch in The Wizard of Oz. That kind of like – they're hissing and shrieking and they don't know how to deal with it.

What's fascinating to me is that with this new sort of understanding of people that we're getting because of the internet, there's water all over me, I spilled coffee on me, and I have a nice shirt and I didn't want to ruin it. With this new understanding that people have of like having the access to these kind of stories, having the access to these horrible stories that are things that are happening from the Gaza Strip, that this shift that's going on, like as it's happening, all these horrific things that still exist in the world they seem to escalate almost as if they're worried that something's coming at them almost as if like it's the the you know the fundamentalism gets even more and more extreme and more and more hateful more and more crazy and you start getting shit like god hates fags and guys holding up a fucking sign they have a whole website dedicated to it and like all the the hate that you see with you know we we had um uh on the podcast we had this uh conversation with shane smith about pakistan

and india and the potential for nuclear war and it was one of the scariest conversations ever right because these people like it's like almost like a lost state like Pakistan. It was talking about how chaotic it is and how chaotic the rulership is and how they hate India and India hates them. And that different leaders have said they wanted to strap themselves to a nuclear bomb and go over there and blow the other people up. That this all exists at the same time as this new understanding and this new shift. It's almost like it's this resistance. And it's almost like this thing that we have to rally against, like the most fucked up part of human nature. It's like we have to rally against that.

And that's what unites people. And otherwise we'd be too lazy. Otherwise we would accept mediocrity. We would accept a certain slow tempo to the evolution of human consciousness. But this forces it to act. All the evil and all the fucked up actions of the world and fucking drone attacks and all this craziness forces us to act and think. Well, again, man, yes, I agree. There is part of me that gets scared because I feel like that thing gets backed into a corner and it decides to press the button.

But I think that what's really what's happening is an amplification effect. I think acts of violence are becoming less but becoming more amplified because we're so – we're becoming so much more appalled at the idea of like the barbarism of war and all the shit that humans do. I think that what's happening is God hates fags. These people pop up, right? And then what happens, though? People organize from the internet, and suddenly God hates fags is now wherever they go, they get surrounded by mobs holding signs. God hates signs. God hates this. God hates that giant signs blocking them out. So it's like the

hate is getting absorbed. It's getting, it's not working. It's not working. It just seems like it's horrible because it's being broadcast to so many people, but the way people are reacting, that's what's important. That's what's important. As long as people are reacting, you know, that's the number one thing and not ignoring it. That's great. And as long as people are reacting in whatever way, just fucking as simple as a thing is like just tweeting, just tweeting something, retweeting something about some of the violence that's happening. Just anything to get the information out there and keep that fucking pot bubbling. That's great, man. That will continue to push the warmongers into the periphery.

And I think that what just happened with Romney and fucking Obama, I think— Well, we're lucky. Look what's going on with Egypt. The new president decided to give himself all-powerful status. But look what's happening. Even there, look what's happening. It's not working. It's not fucking working. That stuff isn't working in the way it used to work that

and that's the shift the mojo that these fucking old white dudes used to have is fading it's fading away man it's like the it feels like the magic is leaving them which is why it's so beautiful when you watch carl rove on fox news having a little like Wizard of Oz style man behind the curtain meltdown as he realizes that his evil scheme to try to get Romney into power didn't fucking work. Yeah, that's cool. Fascinating, isn't it? That's cool. That's beautiful. He was like, no, the numbers are wrong.

The numbers are wrong. Yeah. He wouldn't admit it, man. He wouldn't admit the defeat. Yeah, it's great to watch. And a lot of them are like, that's what's happening. They don't want to defeat yeah it's great to watch and a lot of them are like that's what's happening is they they don't want to admit they they're always upholding the virtues of this country and how we come from revolution but when the real revolution starts happening they're like i'm gonna

secede now i'm gonna secede because the real revolution isn't a revolution where we all get to hide in our shacks and collect our fucking guns look Look at this photo. This photo is 200,000 Egyptians, and they're protesting. What's crazy is they're protesting around an ancient obelisk. Wow. It's from the dynastic Egypt. It's this incredible stone mystery that's covered in hieroglyphs. And these people are protesting around it and screaming and yelling that you can't have fucking – we're done. Like we elected someone.

The idea is that we're now in a democracy. You cannot have this crazy power grab. But he wants to say that he can't get arrested. He can't go to jail. He can't be tried. Didn't work. Look at that. Didn't work, asshole.

Amazing though that he would want to do that. And he says it's because of his opposition because his opposition would try to do terrible things to him. The Muslim Brotherhood? Well, he's the Muslim Brotherhood. Oh, he is? Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood is what's in power now. At least I believe so. I believe that's how it goes.

For some reason, I don't think that, but I don't know. I haven't, I don't know. You might be right. I don't know. Okay, well, here it goes. Protesters stormed the headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood in the country's second largest city of – yeah. So it's the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the Muslim Brotherhood.

So this guy wanted to do something where he didn't have any – he had no worries whatsoever about ever being arrested and essentially could be a dictator. He wanted to be a dictator. Right. They're like, no, bitch. This isn't working. Sorry. could be a dictator he wanted to be a dictator right they're like no this isn't working sorry it's the same thing as like it's just whenever you start letting freedom out of the bottle man you're not going to get the freedom back in once people feel that sense of like holy shit if we get together we can change things in a big way yeah you're not going to be suddenly they're gonna be

like all right you're okay we'll let you be the new dictator it's like no man we've learned we've learned how to change things through the group mind. Do you think it's possible, though, that moving forward we're ever going to get to a position of no – we'll have no one above anyone else, no one in a position of, like, president or where they can take executive privilege? Like Obama did that with that whole gun running thing. You know that whole – what the fuck they call it? Fast and Furious? Yes. that with that whole gun running thing with that whole you know that whole uh what the fuck they call it fast and furious yes where they sold guns to the mexican drug lords just to track them and those guns wound up being used on american citizens like it doesn't make any sense the story makes no sense like the story that they would sell guns to the mexican drug lords so

they could track the guns that's one of the dumbest fucking ideas i've ever heard in my life you're gonna arm them with thousands of guns so that you could track those guns right who do you think they're gonna do with those guns they're gonna kill people that's the craziest idea i've ever heard stupid it almost like that's their excuse like that's what they're gonna say and they have it planned out and make it look like that's what they're doing but really what they're doing is they're profiting on selling guns that could be and they're just playing dumb yeah that makes a lot more sense to me it doesn't make any sense to me that someone would think

that selling criminals' guns is a good idea because then you could track the guns. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Dude, we don't... I mean, that's the problem. That shit gets so obscured

by, like... They have so many great ways of, like, diffusing information, of adding information to information that's not real, of subtracting shit that it becomes... Who the fuck knows what it is? subtracting shit that it becomes who the fuck

knows what it is but when it becomes a part of you know like the government where the president doesn't have to get tried on this the he can invoke this executive privilege he doesn't have to testify that's squirrely that shit's squirrely there's never i don't think there's ever a time where anyone should be able to say like oh i had something to do with that whole guns being sold to fucking crazy people who kill people on a regular basis. But I don't want to talk about it. You either knew about it or you didn't know about it. It's like we hired you, bitch. You got to talk about it.

And if you knew about it and you didn't do anything about it, that's incompetence. That's crazy. If you let that fly, if Obama let that fly, like that's one of the dumbest things a president could ever approve ever. So we should know. We should know whether or not, especially in the time of a reelection when that was going on, there's no way he shouldn't have to say, well, I thought it was a good idea at the time. They assured me these guns would misfire. There was no – Or like Romney's tax returns, like that shit. That kind of information should be all on the table. Yeah, you should know how much he paid in taxes because you know how rich he is.

And if he really did weasel it out and then the last couple of years decided to start paying a lot of taxes to show, so he had it on paper. If you're running for office like that, yeah. The idea is to change this fucking businessman president into public servant president. That's the idea that you know to change this fucking businessman president into like public servant president that's that's the idea that you want you want the fucking guy who like runs costco i just said rather sell this thing on reddit the guy who runs costco pays his employees like 18 an hour minimum they have health insurance and he only makes 500 000 a year this is the guy who fucking runs costco like think about that meanwhile the guy who runs walmart is like something out of fucking pink floyd the wall he's just some pig man who's like

you know what i mean it's crazy it's crazy but that's the shift man we want more things shifting to that so that you get the costco version of the fucking president that's like yeah you know i'm really just in this because i'm trying to make this this country prosperous and the people in this country have as much access to like health care and what they need to live really great lives so more richard branson less less rupert murdoch yes these old fucking warlock pigs man drive them into the shadows warlock pigs that'd be an awesome name for a band warlock pigs yeah man we need more branson's interstellar travel we need more fucking steve jobs you know we need more fucking like more of that running the show and i think that's gonna happen more and more well you know what i'm really impressed with when you talk people that work for Google, when you talk to people that work for Google and they tell you what a great company is to work for and how well they're treated and like the facilities, their campus, I guess they call it a campus.

Yes. You know, you hear those kind of stories like, you know, that it's possible that a company can operate like that. Dude, any kind of super anyone who's plugging into this vibe that's happening right now whatever the fuck this thing is man you know right away that's all about connectivity and you know right away that the feeling you get from like giving more than you're supposed to give is such an awesome feeling and that feeling that state of mind where you're putting out more than you're supposed to be putting out it seems like in that state of mind is where the bigger ideas come from anyway it's like that's creating a fertile ground in your consciousness to open up for like the big ideas but

if you're shut down closed down if you're fucking if you if you're just one big human muscle spasm pushing all your gems into the black pit of your life you know hoarding and hiding and concealing then you're shut down. That's when you turn into Donald Trump with his dumbass tweets. He's so silly. Who's sillier than that guy? Did you pay attention to that shit, Brian? Yeah, I don't like the guy anymore.

I used to like him a lot, but he just seems like he's a crazy kook now. Yeah, right? Like something happened. Something happened. He shifted. Yeah, it's that Trump happened. Something happened. Like he shifted. Yeah. It's that Trump water. Hey, man, I can't see your face the way we have everything set up.

This is stupid. Yeah, I know. I'm going to see you, sweetie. We should put a TV on the other side of this monitor. Yeah. I don't want you. You could be making funny faces at me. I wouldn't even know.

How dare you? We're still working this place out ladies and gentlemen um my mic sounds weird it sounds like i'm a robot it sounds fine does it sounds okay i think it's the lakers knowing that you don't like them but you're wearing their headset oh yeah they're getting mad and they're oh is that oh that's lakers colors those are all skull candy gave us these are they're uh thanks skull candy did you have the Bill Burr ones down there? Bill Burr ones? Oh, yeah, the Boston Celtics.

Turn it over there. Come on. Come on. Celtics, they have them, I guess, for basically every team. Are these good headsets, man? I've been real close to forking out some dope. No, I'll give you a pair of these. I'll get them for you. Hell, yeah.

They're awesome. Yeah, Skullcandy's been sending them to us. They're really good. They're like $140. Yeah, they're expensive. They're good, though. They sound fucking wicked. Yeah. Skull Candy's been sending them to us. They're like 140 bucks. Yeah, they're expensive. They're good, though. They sound fucking wicked. Yeah.

They sent me this whole email explaining how they spent a lot of money on research and development to try to make really good sounding ones. Initially, they were more of a lifestyle company. They had good ones, but now they're concentrating on really creating something that a DJ would listen with. I was trying to really creating something that a DJ would listen with. I leave fucking earbuds scattered across this fucking country like spider thread. And chargers. Just chargers and fucking earbuds everywhere I go.

And sunglasses. And sunglasses. I lost my goddamn iPad. Damn it. You did? I lost my fucking digital recorder. I'm like a fucking 11-year-old with bad ADD at a summer camp on this last tour I did. I left shit everywhere. You even lost me.

Well, see, first of all. I have lost the puppet. You lost little hobo. Hey, what about me, bud? Saying this last tour, whenever you go on tour, man, like you're going from one hotel room to another hotel room. You're lucky if you keep 80% of your shit. It's amazing how much you lose, it's amazing dude do you feel bad not that i do this but i think you might do it do you like do you feel guilty when you like when you like jizz in the hotel room and like

what do you throw the tissue down have you ever done that and you realize you left your fuck what do you wipe it in i throw in you feel bad you feel bad you just throw it on the wall oh you're joking yeah well you know what i mean like i feel bad for the maids man like like all the fucking tip them the maids i just started fucking tipping the yeah me too i didn't even know you were supposed to do that yeah i that's something i just woke up to yeah i like yeah i just started doing that good for you but unfortunately for many many maids have like had to pick up a crusty old thing and like they must how many of them sucked on the napkins how many of them are immortal now take in your salty oh like that's what they that's what they

feed on yeah like a washcloth just sucking on the washcloth they fight over them come in the bathroom and you know she doesn't know that you uh used your key to get back in because she didn't hear the door open because she's making that sucking noise she's a little bitch she's like on top of it like a praying mantis eating a fucking like a vampire slowly starting to bring color back to her face god vampires, vampires were so close to being awesome, man. If only they weren't a jizz, huh? Well, that would be the succubus. They would be attached to your dick and balls with knife-like teeth so that you were scared to move.

So you would lay there in terror, and you would just shoot a load out of pure fear. And they would just keep sucking on it, and they wouldn't let you pull it out. Oh, God! Oh, God! Please don't! Please don't! And you know that feeling after you cum where you want to like, ah! Like if someone touches your dick like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! Like it tickles almost, like it's too crazy. Blowjob after you cum. Imagine that if a giant succubus

with teeth is attaching itself to the head of your dick and sucking on it and you can't pull your dick back because if you do, it gets shredded. And you feel the stinger on your neck kind of push in a little bit if you start struggling too much. This giant stinger, like a scorpion, comes over the top of your head. So while you're blowing it, while it's sucking your dick,

its stinger is attached to your spine. And you're looking out in this weird cave it's dragged you into and it's just all withered dude corpses. Maybe a couple of guys still alive. And the stinger has two vice-like tentacles on either side that clamp down on your neck. So right before it pushes that stinger against your spine, those things get tighter and tighter.

You just feel it. It lets you know, don't go anywhere. I'm sucking your dick. Yeah, and this is going to go on for five years. Giant teeth. Dude, I never pictured them like that. When i think of a succubus i think of world of warcraft that is fucking hot chick with like leather boots like a dominatrix with a little whip that like you know over fucks you but maybe it starts out as a beautiful girl and then you

realize in the middle of having sex with it like sort of like jack nicholson when he's making out with that lady in the shining and then all of a sudden she was like 100 years old with cancer all over her back yeah maybe that's how it gets you conan maybe it looks like rose mcgowan and then you move in for the kill you start squeezing her ass and all of a sudden she morphs into this thing yeah just you're you can't move i think that's to hold your neck and then it starts sucking you off yeah i think that's the story of a lot of people's fucking lives, man. It is. It always starts off like that. Next thing you know, you're all clamped into some kind of... It's a symbol, you know?

It's like the sirens that sing and the sailors crash their ships on the island, you know? It's all the same fucking story, right? How come guys don't see those in prison? Like, you know, some girl, a fake girl with a key that's going to let you out. Do you ever hear of crazy hallucinations in in prison i don't know about that i'm pretty sure there's some pretty crazy hallucinations in prison yeah but i mean like that kind of reoccurring theme of like uh someone with a light near the uh rocks going come on over here oh yeah and the sailors smash into the rocks prison harpies yeah there's prison harpies man they're called trannies we had uh victor conte on he was telling us about his time in a minimum security prison where you

allowed like really allowed to leave whenever you want like people come and pick up their their family like you only want to stay there a certain amount of time you could get like passes to leave he said that the uh security guards like there was a girl security guard that would make money prostituting herself yeah like you could go get some head from the security guard she made a lot of extra money that way makes sense to me these poor bastards how you but not gonna let these guys fuck man that's why there's so many problems it's awful man i would add that to the goddamn constitution if you're in prison you get a blow job a month just because you've got to be around some crazy fucking people that want to kill women what if you're in prison, you get a blowjob a month. No, because you've got to be around some crazy fucking people that want to kill women. What if you're around some really crazy serial murderer character and someone's got to suck his dick?

Whose job should that be? Another serial murderer. A guy? Yeah, whatever. Dude, who cares? There's just a fucking hole in the wall. You don't know what's on the other end. It's like you make it very like –

Guys would bite each other's dicks off. There's no way. You fucking defang him. You can't defang a guy because he's on the other end if he grabs a whole detooth it just pulls it out with his hands look i haven't perfected this system yet but i'm working on it but because if he couldn't blow you with his hands it would be an inferior blow job even through a hole in the wall you'd be like what the fuck let me just take it down from this disgusting level it's gotten have you heard about the new program where they give prisoners kittens have you heard about this yeah i have heard and it makes them like the phone number what's that he wants to give away a cat

down to two of my pets at one left dude um yeah it's really cool but it's like just like having these fucking cats is changing the the prisoner's behavior in massive ways man because they they know that if they get in fights they lose their cat so they don't want to fucking lose the cat so it's like it creates this like it adds peace you got to bring love into prison that's the problem man love is the answer brother yeah man love you it is god damn it with a little fucking kitten can transform some Hardcore thug Into somebody who's like

You know I'm not gonna fight Cause princess is back In the cell And I don't wanna lose her That's love man That's the most powerful thing That's a lot more powerful Than being like

We'll put you in solitary confinement If you fuck up How many of these guys Are actually fucking the cat though A lot Most of them right Yeah Maybe the cat has like

A special attachment When you stick a dick in its ass and the alarm goes off. You get an RFID chip. You push the button with your cock. Dude, try to fuck a cat. You're not going to be able to fuck a cat. They probably do an operation on the cat where there's like a little toggle. And as long as the poop's going that way, it passes the toggle and it doesn't go off. But if a dick goes in the other way, click, it hits the switch, and then the RFID chip signals the alarm.

That's a fleshlight in prison. Yeah, they would fuck that cat. I think prisoners should have fleshlights, man. I don't know why we're acting like it's going to do anything good to try to chain someone's libidos in a cage. That's not going to add happiness to a prison or peacefulness everyone you look at these prison rides like why are they riding yeah they're not they're not fucking these guys have so much testosterone in them you're not letting them fuck yeah but even if you give them fleshlights that's not as good as raping a guy that's part

of the fun for them i think it's holding someone down and and getting that man pussy you know mean, when they're doing that to each other, that's part of what they're doing. Again, I'll disagree. You said this is like we're on CNBC. We're at a roundtable. I respectfully disagree. I love the way you phrased that. I'd rather be punched in the face and fuck a flashlight. Yeah, no shit, man.

But, dude, I saw a terrifying thing. Have you ever seen that thing of the dude who's like the toughest prisoner in, like, Columbia? Have you ever seen that thing? Yes. And he's just like, that guy's a monster. And he's like, I make a man my girlfriend. I let him sleep in my bed. Yeah.

What is it he says? It's like real. I take sex from him. If not, I kill him. Yeah. I give him my food. Yeah, it's a really dark African guy. Yes. I fuck them. A new guy not, I kill him. Yeah. I give him my food. Yeah. It's a really dark African guy.

Yes. I fuck them. A new guy come, I fuck him. Yeah. I fuck him. I have sex with him. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that kind of shit. Brian, if you find that, pull that up because it's just the audio alone. It's scary. It's like most evil prisoner of all time or something is what it's called or just beast prisoner man monster. It might knock us offline but i'll try yeah sons of bitches and i just looked you might be right there might be nothing here i just looked on this website that checks everything checks everything what like internet

yeah no i'm right there's no fucking internet here we're hiding we're in the we're in the woods oh yeah we're in the woods of discovery we'll're going to get it worked out. This sucks, but it's online, and I'm looking at the video. It's not that bad. It's working. But most importantly, it's just got to go through a process. This whole thing is going through a process. It's exciting to me. I've never built anything before.

I've never, like, slowly started and sort of organized and put it together. And to have it the way I want, like, I love having the brick wall, like a real brick wall. I love the oak table., like a real brick wall. I love the oak table. These are the early days. Yeah. But I love real shit like that. Bricks and wood. It makes me feel good.

That stuff makes the kind of metal, like cast iron, like these legs and shit. Werewolf sculpture. Yeah, that too. Perfect. I'm going to bring one of my Buddhas in too. Yeah. My Buddha's going to rock it in a corner and watch over us. You should bring the gold one.

Not the big one. It's too hard to move. The big one's too hard to move, but I got another one that's pretty big, too. It's going to go here. Cool, man. Watch over us. Badass. Any suggestions? What else should I do this place? Fucking a float tank.

Yeah, but that's, no one's going to, what are you going to do? You're going to have some going there? And they're going to be annoyed? Yeah, man, float tank, and then you give your pals keys to this place so they can come out here and float. Yeah, come back. Or just go to the float lab. Where's float lab? Duncan was here written in blood on the wall.

Oh, yeah. Like I would waste blood on paint. Maybe a little period blood. Oh, who knows? Have you seen those blood bricks that they can make now? What? It's a brick that they take blood and they mix it with something and it makes a brick. And they're making houses out of these blood bricks.

Oh, my God. That's great. Who's blood? I don't know. Yeah, how do you know there's not a couple of people mixed in your house? Well, no, that's cool. I'll tell you this. If I was going to die, I wouldn't mind somebody withdrawing my blood and using it for blood bricks for their house.

Would you rather that or Tibetan sky funeral? Sky – well, no, both. Turn my blood into bricks and let the buzzards eat me. Wow. Well, you could probably grind most of you and turn it into bricks. Why just fuck with the blood? I don't know. You just said blood bricks.

I wouldn't – like that whole idea of of like the way we do death in this country is so goddamn sterile and fucked up well it's a scam first of all the big scam is that you have to pay for the funeral and then it's really expensive and you know you have to pay a lot of money for a casket and you have to embalm the body bullshit even if you're gonna they have it set up where the body gets embalmed i believe even if it gets cremated i think you still have to embalm the body i think that's the law dude the Tibetan sky ritual is such a beautiful fucking thing man when you

watch someone turn into a bunch of birds that's really cool to watch that happen do you guys have wills? I don't yet I need one do you know if you don't have a will I think I'm not 100% sure but the government just takes all your shit

even if you have living parents in another state I gotta get a will i don't think that's true i think uh it goes to the next of kin joe if something fucking joe something happens to me dude you can have my little hobo and my computer oh dude that's all i want i own two things that's all i want i gotta piss again you gotta piss God. Dude, I drank so much coffee today. Go ahead. Go ahead. We don't have much time left in this podcast, unfortunately, because I got a big, stupid, important meeting.

Where's it at? Son. Because that highway was fucked. I don't know if you got my text message. There was like five cars, all cop cars. It seemed like they got in a car accident and the whole freeway is closed. Which freeway? 101.

Oh, great. Whoopsies. Whoopsie days well i'll try i'll try i'll try to make it but if i don't make it i don't really give a fuck so i hate to leave anybody hanging the more the more i think about yesterday's podcast i don't know if i want to say this say it it. The more I think that guy is a tweaker. You think so? Yeah. Most people thought that. Really?

A lot of people who listened in thought he was off and that he would, like, contradict himself. The fact that he knew so much about those drugs, but yet there was, you know, we read on Gizmodo, they didn't cite sources, but they said, you know, sources close to him say that, you know that he's always been interested in finding drugs that make women sexual. It kind of goes along with the whole 67-year-old guy, 20-year-old girlfriend thing. It sounds like a dude who's just – that's his thing. I don't know. I mean he claims not, but he knows so much about them, man. How the fuck do you know so much about bath salts and MDPV and these different hypersexual compounds? And how could he tell us the exact chemical composition of it?

Remember when he told us what it actually was? Why would you say that unless you have great interest in it? And then the other thing was saying that I'd have to be addicted. You can't do that, then I would be on it right now. Do I sound like I'm on it? He might be on it right now, but I don't necessarily think that a strong-willed man like that has to be addicted to something. What's the high like? It's supposedly really hypersexual.

That's the thing. But I figure if you're a guy like McAfee, he created this business. He's like a very headstrong guy, very powerful guy. A guy like that could probably quit a really fucking dangerous drug for a little bit. Sure. You know, he could. It's hard to tell when someone lies about anything. If they lie about anything or are not completely honest about anything,

you immediately have to look at the whole thing and go, well, if he's not telling the truth about doing those drugs, then how can I listen to all the other stuff? Yeah. It sounds like it's a lot of who the fuck knows what to believe at that at that point and the fact that he has no charges nothing like on record like like there's no warrant for his arrest there's nothing it kind of made me think that he was just super paranoid well it could be that it could be that you know i mean i told you there was that story that someone had said that he thought

that there was people outside and he had a conversation. I heard this. I heard this. This you can get on Wired, this discussion. This is something. Hold on a second. I'll find it because maybe we could pull it up and it's audio anyway. Wired, I think it's McAfee off the rails.

Crazy audio. But he was talking about how there was these people, and they were standing there. They were like military people, and they were standing there, and they didn't say anything. They just stood there, and he wouldn't move. And so he just stood there too. And they slowly went away, like after hours and hours.

So he was standing there, and he was talking about how much his arm hurt because he was leaning up against this wall, but he couldn't move. If he moved, they would shoot him. What the fuck? Yeah, but then people were saying there's no footprints there. There's like, he's... Was that house that somebody posted on your message board, the guy that died? It was like a shack that had an American flag in it.

I don't know. I don't know whose house that was. Yeah. Is that what it was supposed to be? I thought that's what I read, that somebody that died. Because it was like this, I mean, it looked like a shack. It just looked like a junkyard shack, you know. Yeah, he's fucking, I don't know, man.

Yeah, that was an interesting podcast because I kept on thinking about it after when I got home. And then the more I thought about it, I was just like, you know, this just seems like something's not right. It was cool, though, that he was willing. Yeah. You know, it was just like you know this just seems like something's not right it was cool though that he he was willing yeah you know it was cool that he did it that's like I'm just getting trolled though maybe that's what it seems like doesn't it I hope so it's like I hope smells like a big old troll yeah yeah I hope so I'm trying to find in this I'm trying to find this because it's really interesting. I really want to play it.

Okay, here it is. If you go to audio, just look at this. Google search this. Audio, McAfee still in hiding, predicts they will track me down. What a brilliant man. The picture of him is him, of course, shirtless with a gun. Another different photo of him shirtless with a gun. Like apparently he posed for quite a few photos while holding a gun.

McAfee predicts during podcasts being broadcast to millions of people, they will track me down. But he's, you know, I appreciate the fact that the guy was willing to talk to us. I mean, it was pretty interesting to be able to talk to someone who's in this crazy scenario. Yes, that's cool. Who's a crazy person in a crazy scenario, it sounds like. Well, he's an eccentric, you know. I definitely think, I mean, that's a lot of what it takes to become some super millionaire type character. Yeah, it's true.

I mean, that's the thing, man. You've got to be able to let your mind go into the weird places, but you've got to be able to come back. Do you see this picture, Brian? This is the one. That's the audio you're looking for. Wait for it to pull up. Is it pulling up?

Yeah, the whole story is so compelling. It's so Hunter S. Thompson-esque. This guy just goes off the rails on an island, 67 years old, 20-year-old girlfriend. Yeah. Pictures of him with guns. Yeah. Surrounded by dogs. He's got 11 dogs.

You know what I mean? It's like, wow. It's like. Feral. He went feral. It's amazing. And he has all these lawsuits that are coming after him. And he will not pay.

He's like, I simply will not pay. He goes, I will spend $10 million to fight it to give them nothing. lawsuits that are coming after him and he will not pay he's like i simply will not pay he goes uh i will i you know i will spend 10 million dollars to fight it to give them nothing what are the lawsuits about well one of them was about he had this he was connected to this uh sort of a sport where they would fly these looks like motorcycles that are attached to kite wings it's really crazy and they're really maneuverable apparently but they would do these low altitude you know not even altitude i mean low off i mean basically just very close to the ground they would do these things like acrobatics okay spin around on these fucking planes well someone crashed and died right and so he got

sued and that's when he decided apparently to move to belize he just loaded up his truck and he moved to beverly he just got the fuck out and i guess belize won't extradite him or something i don't know how it works but if if he apparently says that if he loses the court cases it doesn't matter they'll just come take his money like if if you lose you lose but that he doesn't believe that he's guilty because he wasn't even driving it he wasn't responsible he wasn't responsible for maintaining it it wasn't his you know what i mean it's like it wasn't his fault this guy died like this but apparently he was like working hard to promote this crazy sort of a sport john mcafee yeah who was calling

to tell me that the police were closing in he had spent the night in an undisclosed house in Belize, sleeping on a bed infested with lice, and that he felt that the end was near, that they would arrest him at any minute, but he was not going to surrender because he was convinced that they would kill him. I've been following McAfee's case in Belize for the past six months, ever since April 30th, when the police raided him and accused him of being a drug trafficker and possessing illegal firearms. Over those six months I've spent weeks in Belize and interviewed McAfee both in person and on the telephone, probably over a hundred hours of interviews. And I can say without a doubt that he is a

very complex person. But whether or not he's a murderer is yet to be seen. I recorded McAfee's phone calls to me this morning with his permission, and what follows are those calls. One of the charges against you is that you're a psychopath. What do you have to say about that? If I were a psychopath, I would not be confident to comment on it other than to say yes or no. And either one, if I were a psychopath, would be irrelevant. I do not think I'm a psychopath.

I like people. I think psychopaths are sort of antisocial folks that hate people. I tend to love people. by social folks that hate people. I tend to love people. I tend to love people in spite of their faults, in spite of the things that they do or attempt to do to me. You're well aware of Marcia, for example, who plotted for three months to have me kidnapped for money.

Yeah, whenever you hear shit like that, plot it! She lived with me after that for for two additional months before it finally got too intense um well this is a good question why do you surround yourself uh with people of questionable character well i surround myself with people who have unquestionable character too Eddie and Kona I don't know a more honest God fearing person yourself I think I befriended you and embraced you as I

embraced anyone else this is not even the audio that I was looking for unfortunately it's pretty good though but the other one was better because it was really nuts dude when I worked at the comedy store there was this lady you would call I can't remember her name but she would call and like i i she it was interesting her the the way that her insanity functioned because she'd call and be like she would always say she used to work out there i can't remember her name but then she'd like

start being like yes you know yeah last wednesday three men came into my house and they raped me and left. And, you know, like would slip in these really weird, hardcore stories. She called a few times and there's always like these plots against her. You know, they did like, you know, I was kidnapped. She was just making things up. But she believed it. And you know what I mean? It's like when you're mine.

I'm not saying I don't know about my guy. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe he's all together. Maybe he's totally there. People are really plotting against him. I mean rich people live in a different land. But it's interesting how like people who are paranoid the way it comes out, it's not like they're going to be like, everybody's out to me.

But the idea that people are looking to kidnap him. She has been plotting to kidnap me. When someone starts talking in that sort of matter-of-factly, there's a disconnect there from reality as well. Dude, we've got to end this podcast. I've got to get the fuck out of here. I'm so sorry. But we'll do it again quite soon. Cool. Awesome. As often as possible. Yes, please. Powerful.

Powerful, Duncan. Powerful, Brian. Driving all the way over here for 40 minutes of Ustream. You're the fucking man. And we'll be back tomorrow at 3 p.mpm here with the great Eddie Bravo so we're gonna have some fun

and then this weekend Duncan me and there's three of us in this room will be in Austin, Texas and we'll be performing

at Austin City Limits it should be really fun the Moody Theater it's called and I'm fucking really looking forward to that we don't get a chance to go to Austin that often

I love Austin it's one of the greats. I would marry Austin. I would marry the fuck out of Austin. It's a great city. Definitely marry Austin. I'll let Austin come by. All right.

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and getting shape and Duncan's going to do it I got a trainer who's going to be on the podcast every week I'm fucking psyched. I love to hear that, man. Brian, you in?

No. You sounded angry. You sounded angry with us. All right, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Thank you very much. God bless your motherfucker. See you. God bless your motherfucker. We'll be right back.