The Joe Rogan Experience - #302 - Josh Barnett

Episode Date: December 24, 2012

Joe sits down with Josh Barnett.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Join my day, Joe Rogan podcast, my night, all day. So many times we start these podcasts off and I never say who I'm talking to until about an hour in. So I will just say it right up front. A manly man, a man of character, a man's man who likes muscle cars and fucking psycho music. And is an intellectual dude, a guy you can sit down and talk to. Josh Barnett, ladies and gentlemen. Bring me on home to introduce me to Mom.

Tell her about raping and pillaging and burning babies. Not necessarily, but if you lived in another era, it might be on the menu. Could be. Yeah, I think I'd make a good conqueror. If you came in on a boat and that's just what everybody else was doing, you would go out and do your thing. You know it.

I would be at the head. I'd be like, drum faster, you son of a bitch. So what's new for you, man? I know you're going to be in the last Strikeforce card, right, which is in January. For folks who don't know Josh, Josh is a former UFC heavyweight champion, king of pancreas. How many other titles did you get? Bunch of grappling titles. Yeah? Bunch of grappling titles. Yeah, a bunch of grappling titles.

I think I had smoothest penis head. If we were going to have a manliest man board of approval, I would have to have you on this manliest man board of approval. You're clearly about as manly as it gets, I think. I appreciate that. We can go to you and we can get like real when i strict like no nonsense i saw you straighten a dude's nose with a fucking pencil okay this is a video of it on the internet dude got his nose broken josh like you want me to fix it i'll fix it right now he fixed it with a fucking pencil shoves a pencil

this dude's nose and breaks it back and you see it you'd see the crunching and see if you can find it because it's pretty funny it's pretty fucking funny yeah uh i'm there for for that uh boob jobs just pretty much any kind of general surgery did he break his nose sparring was it like no he did it actually with uh with uh he was doing snatches with a barbell and somehow i managed to waylay himself right in the face oh he probably crushed it yeah yeah he nailed well he'd already mangled it pretty good uh uh doing rugby earlier on and uh uh i think in college maybe something like that he'd been doing rugby for years so he'd already known the pleasures of a broken nose but this was just out of nowhere so uh you know there's

an interesting debate that's going on right now uh amongst uh people that are football fans but that are also realizing how much damage these players take and they're trying to figure out what to do about it and one of the more interesting ideas that's being presented is the idea to make them wear leather helmets to take away these big fucking hard helmets that allow you to crash into each other full speed and just give you a little something that protects your skin and that's basically all you got and you can't have the same strategy you can't go head to head like that you can't crash into each other no pads leather helmets and the idea is that if they if they rocked it that way we would avoid a lot of these crazy high speed collisions people would be more realistic

about it i think it would cut down on the high-speed collisions. You wouldn't have people blowing into each other near as hard. I've had the argument with people that are big rugby fanatics for years that I'm like, look, rugby guys don't hit as hard as football players. I mean, it's not just that they have pads on. They're huge. They're running fast. And the pads, in addition, help you to just lay everything you got

into another human being. However, I mean, let's be honest. Look at these monsters. I mean, you stick, the pads in addition help you to just like lay everything you got into another human being. However, I mean, let's be honest. Look at these monsters. I mean, you stick them in leather. They're still going to start smashing into each other. I don't know if it's going to stop from people getting hurt as bad or. Right. The problem is like the sports already developed into what it is.

Right. And to try to take it a step back. Things don't usually go a step back. Do you want to watch guys in leather helmets? No. Like patty cake and grab each other's balls? There's a video that's being played above you right there. Oh, yeah.

You can just stick two pens in this dude's nose. This is so gnarly. But this is some no-nonsense shit. Look, he just opens that pathway up. I'd like to say that I was just seeing whatever I could find to jam in his his schnoz anyways just for the hell of it but it actually makes sense oh yeah it makes totally makes sense if you can get it to heal in the correct position it won't be nearly as fucked up as if the cartilage

is all bent up in there right i had to get mine fixed i broke it when i was a little kid i fell down a flight of stairs my whole life it was fucking it's really the only way to to really do it if you have a bad enough break is to to have like an ear nose and throat Doctor go in there and do the proper stuff to it, but it's it's hellacious coming back from it I didn't think it was no well I've heard I've heard of people like crying blood out of their eyes and that's pretty cool and a metal sense I saved the boogers. I'll show you something. Oh my god Let me show you something because you can't even believe these are real. I showed one to my buddy Tom.

Me and Tommy Segura, we were at the airport, and I blew this fucking booger into this tissue. It did not look real. It looked like it came from another planet. Blood clot. Oh, it was just fucking insane. It was huge, first of all. I mean, I've got the photos. I've saved them.

I mean, there was no way I was ever going to let this go. I'm just going to take a few. I have a lot of goddamn pictures in here. I've got to go back to when it was, which I think was about three years ago. Oh, that was perfect. It changed. Did you find a picture of it? No.

Oh, that's my picture when I was gay. It's back in the day. I'd hit it. I would do. I would hit it. And it's me trying to find these boogers, ma'am. Um,

something literally here. Couldn't, you couldn't imagine. You couldn't imagine this coming out of a human being. I've put this online. I'm sure. No, I definitely did.

I put it on my Twitter page. So Brian, if you could find it, uh, Joe Rogan's bloody Snot on Twitter. I bet there's a photo of it up there as long as it stays up there. Booger. I'm imagining some comic book villain of a booger.

It's unbelievable. I mean I wouldn't be talking it up this much if it wasn't really unbelievable. But for – ladies and gentlemen, if you have a broken nose, if you've got the inside of your nose fucked up, if you know like – I know like Mayhem had thought about getting his fixed but he's still fighting. So he's like I can't do it until I'm done. But if you get a chance – That's only one. That's only one.

It looks like cartilage and everything. It's like just pieces of – It's unbelievable. That was only one. That's not even the biggest one. I had some other ones that were even bigger. They were so ridiculous. I blew them out and I looked at them in my hand.

I'm like you got to be fucking kidding me. How did you feel when that thing came out? Like a potato chip came out of my nose. I mean a giant bloody nacho. That's what it was like. Holy shit. Look at the size of that fucking thing. That thing came out of my nose.

What did it taste like? Calgon taking it away. It wasn't good. It wasn't something I would recommend you trying. It was unbelievable. I would shoot those out of my nose. Here, I got a bunch of pictures. I really need to get my nose fixed too.

I broke it a long time ago as a kid and then I broke it again really in this first round of that Super Bowl tournament. And it just bleeds easy now, which is a problem. Yeah. What do they do? Do they cauterize the inside of it? Well, they've tried doing that. But the way it is, you've got to get up. Look at that. I need a doc to get up.

That's impressive. That's unbelievable, right? I blew 100 of those in three or four months. I hope you have that framed in your house somewhere. I should. I should, just in my office. Or at least put it in one of those LED rotating picture frames. You know, have the dog, the kid.

Fuck, that's a great idea. Dude, I might do that. I'll do that and put one up in here. That's what I'll do. Excellent. For the studio. So you're on the last Strikeforce card. Yep.

This is it. January 12th in the wonderful Oklahoma City. We'll be down there beating the crap out of each other for the last time under the Strikeforce banner, but it'll be on Showtime as usual, so people will be able to see it. What did you think? Tim Kennedy's pissed off. He thinks that

people... Is he always mad? A little bit. Well, you know, those high-level military dudes, they tend to be a little high-strung. Yeah, they're a little on edge. Yeah, but he was talking about how he thinks that all these guys are pulling out because it's the last card. They just don't want to fight because it won't mean enough to them. They want to just try to get fights in the UFC, so they're just pulling out the last Strikeforce card.

I think that was what he was insinuating. He was definitely saying that people are pulling out. It's not beyond the realm of possibility. It's like for me, I look at at it and people love to complain about oh well you don't you don't you're not fighting this guy you're not fighting not fighting that guy not fighting you know i fight the people that they put in front of me and and you know they're like well who the hell is this nandor guy i'm like i don't fucking know and i don't fucking care you know what i mean he's just another fucking victim that and no matter what if it was nandor

or junior dos santos i get paid the same right now. So I really don't give a shit. I fight who steps up, and that's just the way it goes. Who is this cat that you're fighting? He is impressive looking. I'll give him that. He does look like he's Nandor Gilamino. Gilamino.

That doesn't sound Austrian to me, but whatever. Is that where he's supposedly from? That's where he's from. He's called the Hun. The Hun? I can dig that. The Hun where he's from. He's called the Hun. The Hun? I can dig that. The Hun fighting the Warmaster. That's pretty intense shit.

Yeah, that sounds like some sort of fantasy movie. He looks like a big, giant, end-of-the-world type dude. He does. He's got a nice, big, thick brow over his eyes to protect from mace strikes. He's fucking gigantic. He looks like a bodybuilder well they they shot it up you know tricks of camera he's like 6'2 and 220 230 so he's a pretty decent sized guy so he's on a smaller size of the heavy i just think he likes to do a lot of curls okay and he's probably got

the tiny legs oh it's one of those dudes and he's fighting in the ufc how's that possible well maybe it's just so i don't know man but he's uh he's got some those dudes? And he's fighting in the UFC? How is that possible? Well, I don't know, man. But he's got some fights under his belt. He's not like he's never been there before. And he's 36. He's going to come in fit. And he thinks this is his opportunity to fuck somebody up. And he thinks it's going to be me.

There he is. Yeah. Wow. That's a big step up for that dude. And, you know, that happens, man, a lot in MMA. Someone was talking about Danny Lozon, Joe Lozon's brother. His first fight in the UFC, he fights Spencer Fisher. Yeah, that's pretty big up.

That happens. That kind of shit happens. This guy, it's a giant opportunity for him. But really, he should – like if you looked at it like in the world of outside of MMA, if it was like a boxing thing, that guy would have to go through a lot more hoops and ladders before he gets to a Josh Barnett level. That's true. And then the thing with boxing also is that they put their cards together based on how they can promote it for the back end dollar or specific to the bouts themselves where with MMA, it's just like, hey, we have a card. All these fuckers are on it. Let's just have them fight.

Yeah, because a guy like this, I mean, obviously he's got a few fights under his belt. But, you know, you're a former champion. You're a big name both in pride, big name in Strikeforce, big name in the UFC. Like that doesn't make any sense. Like this is a guy that, I mean, if you were banking, you know, if it was like Bob Arum doing something like this, they would probably never schedule it like this. They go, wait a minute, we can make a lot of money off Josh Barnett. We've got to move him into a good position and get him a big-name fight.

There's very few big-name guys, especially outside of the UFC, that you can bring in. At this point, for sure, yeah. There's only a few, and you're one of them. Right. And outside of you, there's really not that many anymore. I mean, who else is left? Just me, now Cormier. Cormier, yeah.

And Fedor's done. He says he was going to retire. He was thinking about it apparently at one point in time. Then he had a loss in his family. Yeah, I think he's – I believe he's retired. I don't really see him coming back. If he does, it won't be for some time. I just don't think that fighting is

absolutely necessary to him i think he's he's maybe looking at different stages in his life and i think from from how i know him anyways he seems pretty content with the things that he's doing outside of fighting and happy with family and church and things like that yeah he um definitely doesn't have the same uh lust for it that he had when he fought Cro Cop back in those days. I consider that his prime. Like the first Cro Cop fight, I think he just went after him on the feet. He basically walked down like one of the best kickboxers in MMA.

Well, and that's the thing when you're fighting a good striker. You've got to, and Fyodor wanted to, needed to put him on his back. So he had to close that distance. And the only way you can't just walk into him, you're going to get tagged up. I mean, and he got cracked with a lot of good shots, but he had, you had to be aggressive. You had to be quick coming forward and then initiate those opportunities to put them on his back. You know, every time I fought Krokop, I came forward too, because if I want to put him on the floor, I can't do it backing up.

And everybody that backs up, the more distance you give a guy like Krokop, especially back then, the more he would look for his opportunity to land his kill shot. Yeah, that fucking left high kick. Or just a middle kick. He was a hellacious low kicker too.

Fyodor looked great in his last couple bouts. He looked real sharp, but I think it was more just to prove to himself that he could do it, that, you know, all right, well, I have the ability, and I can stay in here and be a top guy. But I've done this, and I'm good. And I guess his brother just recently retired also. And then Tim Sylvia is still out there and around.

I don't know. I mean, he's got a pedigree, and he has still a pretty high record of wins versus losses. And Arlovsky is trying to make a run back into the limelight as far as being a top heavyweight. Well, Arlovsky is actually doing really well. He actually just beat Tim, right? He beat Tim. And then he was disqualified because he kicked him. For an illegal soccer kick.

They have a weird rule. Is that 1FC? is that what it is it's matt's uh it's matt hume's old uh pancreate pro pancreation rules in washington and they had this open guard uh call thing so it was like i guess the deal was you you're not supposed to it's been a long time since i fought in washington let me explain to people who don't know what we're talking about for for most fights you can't kick a guy in the head when he's down. You can only kick the body and the legs. But in pride, in the old school days, you could do anything. You could stomp guys.

You could soccer kick them. You could do anything. And a lot of people missed that technique. So this open guard thing is where they allow the pride rules. Yeah. Stomps as well? Maybe no stomps. Maybe just kicks.

I believe it's just kicks. It's been so long. But once they call open guard, then you're free to do – I believe it was taken from Vale Tudo, Japan or something similar way back in the day. But it was like if you're on your back, a guy can go ahead and come around and soccer kick at your head. Is the idea that if you're rocked and you're down, is that when he would not – when would he not let you soccer kick?

All fours, I believe. OK. So if you're like – if you're down, you're hurt, then you can't soccer kick a guy. Then he would stop. But if he went to his back, that would be open guard and you could soccer kick him. That's interesting. So only when the guy is on his back. Because I guess the idea is that

your legs and your hands are up in front of you. Yes. So you're protecting yourself. That actually is very logical. The Japanese had a lot of very logical approaches to MMA. One of them that I really like was that 10 minute first round. That's a brutal fucking... Well, that really separated the men from the boys. Fuck yeah, dude.

That round was the endurance breaker. I liked it. I loved it. You go out there and you just get it on. You have to strategize your wind and your endurance. But, I mean, it didn't stop a lot of us from still just going nonstop, 10 minutes, man. We'd just go for it.

And coming from a guy like me who started in the days of no time limits, I mean. Right. And, well, you know, for a guy like you also, sometimes you would work for a while to get a takedown, and you finally get a takedown, you only got 20 seconds

left in a round, and the guy can defend. Sure. But if there's five minutes in 20 seconds, he's fucked. Right. And you get a lot of work

in on a guy in 520. Yeah. That really favored... I mean, that was one of the main arguments for not having three-minute rounds in the first place, is that you wanted to give

the grappler some time to work once he completed the takedown right but if you look at like like consider the exertion that they put off in a boxing round you know boxing a high-level boxing runs is really not even nearly as devastating as a high-level MMA no it's different because you don't have that muscle fatigue from constant wear and and resistance and it's a different sort of conditioning and you can take a guy who's an excellent wrestler who's got fantastic wind when it comes to contact and resistance and strength and balance that way against another opponent.

But you get out there and you start putting all these punches together and all of a sudden his wind is gone. Gone. It's blasted because it's a different – it's more akin to – more of an aerobic, anaerobic, just wind-based than – it's a different – it's completely different. Yeah. It's interesting how to more of an aerobic, anaerobic, just wind-based. It's completely different. Yeah, it's interesting how it doesn't apply. Like fitness does not apply across the board. No, no, no.

And that's the thing is that the Olympic committees have done all these studies, not committees, whatever, all the people that come with all the science and the training behind these Olympic athletes, and that is you can do sport-specific training. You can go ahead and shoot doubles with bands on. You can punch with dumbbells. You can do all this stuff to try and simulate doing your sport. But in the end, the only thing that makes you better at your sport,

the most especially in terms of endurance and everything else, is to actually do your sport because your body learns how to relax. It has muscle memory. It has, uh, um, um, your, your brain understands all the movements and, and, and dynamics of exactly what you're doing. And that's how it learns to be as most efficient as possible in your sport. And so it's great. You know, all these strength conditioning guys have come out of the woodwork, especially, I love all the guys that have no fight training or fights under their belt. And they want to go and they train all these fighters with all this stuff they see at Jim Jones or CrossFit or now Westside Barbell. And these are all great systems that have amazing things to take from it.

But I could have the best workout in the world, but it might not be the best workout for this particular type of athlete. workout in the world but it might not be the best workout for this particular type of athlete and not to mention he can do the best workout in the world all day long if his time in the sport that he's actually doing is not being applied then it's it's a waste you're not you're not going to really be able to make the most of it do you feel like there's a certain level of the game where strength and condition is absolutely necessary when you get to like a Rory McDonald athlete level, like this kid. Oh, absolutely. You know, I mean, this kid at 23, 24, I think he is now. Something like that, he's young.

He's freakish. And he's so fucking athletic. And he's doing these incredible strength and conditioning workouts along with all his sport-specific shit. I feel like I absolutely agree with you that the most important thing is technique and efficiency and training and sparring and timing and mitt work and all that good stuff. But there's also – you get to a Rory McDonald level where he's got – Rory McDonald, he has that as well. He's got all the training, all the time putting in,

and all the intensity in the drills, but then he also has this strength and conditioning. And that was actually unofficially named that UFC on Fox card. I called it UFC on Fox 5 Speed Kills. Basically, everybody who was faster, more conditioned, and quicker beat their opponents. That's really what it came down to. Benson, Rory, Gustafson, all of them were quicker. They were quicker to the punch. They seemed to be better conditioned.

They pushed the pace higher, and they beat all their opponents. I mean, they had great skill sets and great game plans, but they moved so much and had so much more speed over their opponents that they just couldn't keep up. And athleticism, strength, conditioning, that's a huge equalizer. Carl Gotsch would always say technique within strength. If you're not strong enough and physical enough to pull off the shit that you're trying to do, then it ain't going to work. That's such an important point because that's sort of denied in the jiu-jitsu community a little bit.

A lot of people say – and I'm wearing it. By the way, there's no disrespect. I've got an Elio Gracie t-shirt on right now when I'm saying this. And gi work requires a lot of strength. I've trained with a lot of top, high-level jiu-jitsu guys, legends like Henzo Gracie. I've rolled with these dudes. And even as a kid, I remember hearing all the rhetoric about jiu-jitsu

and the gentle way and all this and no energy and effortless. And I'm like, fuck that. These dudes are strong as shit. They do everything with a huge amount of strength. They have a lot of technique. this henzo and this is back in abu dhabi and this other fucking you know black belt champion schmo from brazil is that black belt schmo from brazil does the same move that henzo does but henzo's like fucking three times as strong as that dude right and he's going after it wrestling style as well he's like snapping your head down and clamping down on a guillotine and yanking on it you know

he's putting his mist on you and you're trying to get your hand away and you can't. It's a lifelong of grappling strength, too. Exactly. No question, perfect technique. No question. But absolutely strong as well. Given an even playing field or given even techniques, you know, even on the technique

side, the person who's stronger and faster is going to apply it better. Yeah, you know, I always had this theory about Hickson. And one of the theories about Hickson that I always have is if people don't know, Hickson Gracie was always considered to be the greatest of the Gracie clan. Just like a magician on the moon. Yeah. But also, like, way, way more built. I mean, if you compare him to, like, Hoist, he is like a crazy physical specimen.

Especially when he was young. I mean, he was just, like, a perfect athlete. One crazy physical specimen. Especially when he was young. I mean he was just like a perfect athlete. But if you think about him when those days, he got more taps in because he was stronger. And he was like physically he was a freak. Like he was a great yogi.

He was like a really – an avid yoga practitioner. That belly breathing crazy shit. Flexibility, strength, body control. His mind. And watching him go at it with people. He would go hard, fast. Like those clips from those Sambo tournaments, he's just buzz sawing onto people's limbs. I mean, there ain't nothing like smooth, whatever,

like just chilling out and catching it. Oh, my friend, I have your arm. No. The guy's like, no! He's like a fucking blast beat from a death metal song just chewing through somebody's body. I love that a guy like that exists. I love that there's a guy that is the one guy that stands above everyone else.

You know what I've always heard? Not to create rumors and not to say that any of the people aforementioned ever said as such either because they've never – I love these rumors. you know they've never uh this guy would never ever ever ever talk shit or or try to like you know run around and and you know behind scenes like be like oh but really he's not that kind of guy okay but i've always heard that from people that have trained with both of them that laborio is considered even better you know what that's a very funny thing you said that I was going to say. Laborio is the other guy that has that sort of – Laborio is like the most approachable, friendliest, sweetest guy ever.

Such a chill dude. And Laborio will even say about – he'll talk about his competition. He goes, you know, I just wasn't able to do as much in competition as I had wanted to or as I was capable of on the mats. I mean he's not he's a humble straightforward no nonsense just uh he's not a he's not gonna bullshit about any of it he's not gonna sit back and start naming off all these excuses or whatever he goes right ah you know that day I just you know I wasn't able to I know I'm like I should have taken that guy out in like

a minute but uh for whatever reason that it just didn't work out maybe my head or this or whatever i mean he does he's not a he's not some cocky sort of dude trying to make give himself an out to why he didn't perform as what he wanted but that's one of the reasons why i like that guy so much because i know how good he is i even watching him back in the day and i'd tell him oh man that was a really good match and he's like yeah you know you know, it was cool. It was all right. But, you know, I'd heard from these other jiu-jitsu guys, like, man, Laborio actually, that's the dude. And people don't talk about it, but that's the guy that they think is potentially. Charles McCarthy was the first person to tell me that.

Chainsaw, huh? Yeah. He told me it a long time ago. And then I started asking around. You know, I was only like a blue belt or a purple belt back then. I didn't really know who the great guys were. But he said the other guy that was like that with him that people don't give enough credit to, he said, was Travis Luter. He said Travis Luter is a lot better than people give him credit for.

He never really got his shit together conditioning-wise and had a few injuries. Travis is tough. We all knew that he was pretty talented when it came to his grappling skills on the mat. Very underrated. He was terrible. Let's be honest. He anderson on his back and did what he wanted he just moved all over him let me tell you something the day before travis looked like a dead man i mean i've i've never seen a guy in all my years of being at the weigh-ins and that's over 12 years now more than that if you count the 90s. He was dead.

Dude, he shuffled to the scale for his second attempt. Like literally couldn't lift his feet up. George Romero up there, huh? He looked horrible. I've never seen a guy. His lips were cracked and dried out. Like he had sucked himself dry like a sponge and he was still like more than a pound over. He couldn't make it.

He couldn't make the weight. I don't remember what the final thing was but he just that's right whatever happened he wasn't a title fight and he was dominating him but he ran out of juice he just ran i'm sure most of it was due to even because he pooped out in mount yeah was physical exertion and his muscles just they didn't have enough energy to power them. They didn't have any electrolytes. They didn't have the minerals needed to keep those things going and they just gave up. That one drives me crazy. There's a lot of guys that I've

seen fall apart. Honestly, if Luter hadn't have been so exhausted and you know, that's up to Luter. You know what I mean? And his coaches. I think he probably would have tapped Anderson. A Luter in top form in that fight a looter that was not sick would have given anderson silva a lot of problems i mean anderson is a lot

better on the ground than people think he is he's very wily but a guy like looter is more similar to like another guy that people don't understand like takase who tapped anderson from the mountain mountain triangle and right uh i think it ended up being mounted but they started off on the back. But part of the reason why I believe he tapped Anderson, and you can see that backstage footage from Pride, and Anderson is so upset about it. And I know, in my opinion, why he's so upset that he lost.

Because he can't believe he got caught like that is because what he didn't understand is Takase is one of those dudes that has freak strength. Like unreal, crazy, like his arm feels like a pile of steel strength when he gets a hold of you. And I rolled with the dude. And the guy, I'm like, holy shit, I can't believe how strong this guy is. And I remember when Vernon White wrestled him back in Abu Dhabi. He's like, man, that guy is way freaking stronger than you think he is. There's weird dudes like that, right? right yeah he's just crazy freaking strong and so I'm guessing

Anderson you know ended up on the ground he's like cool whatever and all of a sudden it's like like holy fuck I can't get away shit and I think Luter probably has some of that similar quality of being a lot stronger than people really understand I always like Travis from the get because he was he came from the from the jiu-jitsu background. But everyone was like, he's a – he likes leg locks. He digs it. And he trained with the Lion's Den dudes and always been a nice, humble dude. I've always dug Travis.

Speaking of leg locks, for folks who don't know, for the longest time, jiu-jitsu guys didn't go for leg locks. Because they thought that leg locks were – Cheap. Cheating. Cheating. A weak way to tap a guy. And one of the – I don't know what put that in their heads because it's like it's like they didn't train it you know why it's let's just be honest they said that because they didn't train it uh most of the the training that was coming down throughout the rest of the jiu-jitsu tree was not including leg lots

uh leg lots were not really given a lot of precedent even if they were legal. So they just ignored what made jiu-jitsu good in the first place was adapting. Sure. And they just – because they weren't good at that, instead of accepting it and being like, OK, this is a weakness, they just threw a fit about it. Wasn't it also because dudes were getting fucked up, especially like heel hooks? Maybe. I don't know. You don't have much time to tap. How many times do people get their arms busted off?

It's true. But heel hooks seem to be even more devastating. It seems to me that you can snap your arm back and get it repaired better than you can fuck your knee sideways. Potentially. I think maybe the difference between a vertical type of break versus that twisting. If you had an arm and you twisted it and smashed and like tore up all the tendons instead of just going one direction maybe that's part of the

problem but also uh i think there's like a bit of a disconnect for people between their legs and their arms like they don't they they're more aware of their arm position and how bad something is or isn't versus their legs and then i'm sure some of that comes to the lack of training. Eric Paulson won a Pan Am Games, a blue belt, purple something, back in the day, way back in the day, back when he probably rode there on a horse and carriage. And he tapped a bunch of people with leg locks, and the whole crowd booed him. Isn't that crazy?

Booed him. Why I'm bringing this up is that it changed. Somewhere along the line, they had to give up, and they all go after leg locks now. I mean, it's the most, it's the most hypocritical. Paul Harris is an excellent leg locker.

He's the best. He's just one of the scariest guys when it comes to leg locks. Cause he's a fucking ridiculously strong dude and he's got good techniques. So if he wraps a hold of that thing, like you're in a fucking terrible situation. Yeah. He's like, uh,

he's like, uh, uh, like a Solomon Grundy. Yeah. Just getting in there. of that thing like you're in a fucking terrible situation yeah he's like uh he's like uh uh like a solomon grundy of mma just getting in there just trying to take your leg off him and and your best friend hector lombard went at it that was oh yeah you know actually you know who's not bad at leg locks hector hector's very good at leg locks hector's good at actually hector's pretty good at everything yeah he will only choose to use a piece of his arsenal for the most part. I think that's more of a mental thing than anything else. But Hector actually has a ton of tools in his disposal.

Yeah, very underrated ground game. If you watch that leg lock, there's a video of him competing at one of the no-gi grappling tournaments. And he slaps a straight ankle lock on this guy and breaks his leg. And you hear it crack. And you see the torque that he's putting in with that fucking fire plug man i've watched hector just uh we were talking about muscle ups yeah how do you do muscle and hector come hey man what's the muscle up man i'm like well what you do is you do like this and he goes like this man

for folks who don't know what a muscle explain a muscle so a muscle up is you grab a pull-up bar and so you go and you go through the whole pull-up motion of pulling yourself, chin over the bar. But once you get up to that point, you pull your body all the way over the top of the bar. So now you're – the bar is now at your waist and you've got your arms completely extended out. It's like ridiculously difficult, hard thing to do. And Hector wasn't doing it like kicking his feet like a crazy fuck. He was just like George of the Jungle fucking flinging himself around like, this man, like this man.

Yeah, like that. You didn't have to do 12 of them to prove it, but you got it. Did he do 12? It's something like he just fucking popped them out and he goes, I do pull-ups all the time. Jesus Christ. He's got that crazy judo strength. He's got crazy everything.

Yeah. Crazy genetics. Crazy everything. Yeah. Crazy genetics. Crazy mentality. Yeah. Well, when it works, it's fantastic. Yeah. You know, he's an exciting guy to watch, man. That dude, he's got some fucking freak power in his hands, too.

He can hit. He's fast. He's very sharp. He's more of a – he's not a heavy puncher and like that heavy thudding. He's a snapper. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he throws his hips into things.

That's one thing about judo guys as well as like wrestler guys. Once they learn – like especially a wrestler who's got a good power double. Once they learn how to put that same effort and energy into a punch, like you saw with Aaron Simpson. Aaron Simpson started putting people away, learned to spring into his punches. Once those guys really learn how to do that, like Henderson, Rashad Evans. Rashad Evans has got a ridiculous right hand, that ability to spring forward. Rashad has tons and tons of power. I think his timing is terrible, though.

He often whiffs tons of punches where I think he's throwing without thinking instead of setting up that strike that he's looking for instead. You don't think he's getting better at that now? think i'm sure there's improvement but i still think that that is like he doesn't lack speed at all super fast he doesn't lack power i've i remember watching the chuck fight and just going man he's getting tore apart in terms of timing but uh chuck's hands are so down that and that that that right hand he that right hook he keeps throwing has got knockout all over it. You don't want to get touched by that. And boom, he clips him with it and Chuck goes out like a light.

Or even he got on top of Forrest and he threw just a punch from down on top, but it had such snap on it. Boom, Forrest was out from there. Yeah, I think the Rashad of the Chuck Liddell fight, the Rashad that you saw against – who was his last fight? Well, Jones, but I wouldn't even – I think Jones was his last fight. Didn't he fight Mr. Wonderful? Didn't he fight –

Oh, he did. But even still there, like I don't – he's still not – he's not really – his timing is better, but he's still – like there's so many opportunities that I think he's missing in terms of lining up good, solid shots and putting his opponents away. I still don't think he has as much comfort and just like he's not as at home on his feet as a striker still as perhaps as he could be. Well, he's been training with Spong now, know those guys down at the black zones with spong and with uh that henry hoost that guy oh i'm sure those guys like put him through pad work and all the different because the phil davis fight he i thought that was like some of his best striking like one of his best fights sure but i just think that smooth what it comes down to is it's not even necessarily the uh the the pad work he's doing or the technical work or even just the flat out sparring. I think it has to be a very engineered drilling scenario to try and awaken that potential in somebody. A lot of

times people, they think, well, I need to get better on my feet. So I'm just going to spar more and spar harder. But actually what happens is it's like the difference between doing shoulders and doing your rotator cuffs. When you're doing your shoulders, like every muscle group comes into play. And often, you know, things like the rotator cuffs, the weakest link, well, you're not going to really draw upon that because that's not made for shoving, you know, weight overhead, big heavy weight and high stress loads.

So all this other stuff is going to compensate for your little muscles so they don't have to work nearly as hard when you've got these big movers in place. Well, when you need to work your rotator cuffs, you have to use a small weight on purpose because you have to try and get all this to shut down so that it doesn't come into play and you can work just those little tiny muscles that often get overlooked and overcompensated by the bigger muscle groups. And that's how you work your rotator cuffs.

You're not doing small weight because you're a pussy. You've got to do small weight because otherwise you're not going to engage those muscles and the other muscles are going to come in and take over which you don't want you're trying to work on something very specific same thing with stand-up work you can't go out there and just go harder and go faster and go tougher sometimes you got to really dial that shit way the hell back go way slower and just start uh putting yourself into different mindsets and start putting yourself into a position where okay well what am i working on here i'm always retreating too much like so maybe you you cut off like a little square and you got to stay within it and

you got to move slow and light and just get used to getting hit and then rolling with the punches and you're slipping and your head movement and uh because often you know okay i'm gonna work on my defense this round and you're going hard you just yank your head movement. Because often, okay, I'm going to work on my defense this round, and you're going hard. You just yank your head harder one direction or the other, dip harder, swing faster. But what you don't realize is that you're actually overcompensating your technique by your athleticism.

Yes. And what you have to do, if you really want to work your technique, you've got to scale it way the fuck back. You've got to train the mind, the eyes, and the body all at the same time, and it's different. And this approach, your approach is one of the reasons why you're this many years in the game now. I saw you fight way back in Super Bowl, which was in the 90s, right? When did you begin your MMA career? Well, I started my career in like 96, 97. But this approach to it, this cerebral approach,

this is the only way you stay this lucid with this many years in the fight game. This is the only way, right? Well, yeah, pretty much. That and fucking the people up bad so they can't hurt me as much. But back at AMC, we used to do a lot of flowing drills and things that just weren't all about killing each other. I mean, we had a lot of time killing each other too. Trust me there.

Fuck. You have to have both. Yeah. I mean, we have a good balance. And the problem with especially like so I've got this reputation of not being able to keep sparring partners and all this stuff because the problem is they come in during fight training and they get fucked up. And I don't go to injure anybody, but you're

damn right. I'd beat them up. So are you, when you're doing fight training, are you going full clip every sparring session? Do you go 70%? Usually 80 to 80 to 90. Now, isn't that a, it's a, it's a fascinating thing. The idea of how to correctly prepare someone for an MMA fight. And with you, it's got to be really difficult because there's probably not a lot of dudes who you're going to take advice from that know more than you at this stage of the game. So when you're piecing together your training programs, you're piecing together your stand-up and your grappling, how do you how do you decide like how much time you should put on this and how do you engineer it it's a balance you have to be very honest with yourself on what's necessary and you can't just sit back and have this pride over an ego uh step over what what is important towards uh developing your training and i've got guys like Eric Paulson. And there's

Paulson is a walking, talking encyclopedia fucking people up. And but he also has the tendency to just start pulling from everywhere sometimes. And so he'll throw in these techniques. I'm like, dude, one, I've never even done that. And two, that's I don't fucking really think that's applicable. But that's just how Paulson is. He'll hit you, you know, you say, all right, let's do let's work on uh some hand combos and he'll throw a thousand of them at you and but the thing is is that there is tons of valuable information and tweaks that can be made you have to be smart enough and and open enough and and and like present enough in this this type of training to work with him to develop all those skills i mean i have

all kinds of tricks that i've picked up from pason over the years that are, I know I wouldn't have gotten any place else because people don't have that kind of background, that martial background. And even, you know, I've got specific coaches that what I do is when I go and I train with them, I really narrow it all down. I do exactly what I'm there to do with them. And then when I'm done with it, then I have to assess all the data that I got from that training session and how that's going to apply to me in the ring with my overall strategy, what works best, where my naturalkick combos that involve me spinning and hook-kicking and all this kind of stuff. I'm never probably going to be able to pull that off in the ring, you know, that whole start to finish, double kicks, up top, boom, spin, bang, come back, boom, boom, boom. But there are pieces that I could take from that and use in in a combination or you just set up to something else or set up to a takedown or as a counter uh also just the ability

to be more dexterous more able more agile and just have better body control and balance uh yeah that's why gsp has been doing gymnastics it's fantastic if i wasn't a big son of a bitch who thinks their arms would just pull off if I tried to do it, not to mention who's deteriorated his body with years and years of training and whores and alcohol, maybe I would do more in gymnastics other than bedroom gymnastics. My leg doesn't go there. Mad Fientist You shouldn't try either. You can't even do rubber guard, right? Trevor Burrus Pull a hammy. Mad Fientist It's kind of ironic. You shouldn't try either. You can't even do rubber guard, right? Pull a hammy.

It's kind of ironic. Not really. For folks who don't know, you're a leg lock master. You've known for your leg locks, but your knees are all fucked up. Oh, yeah. I mean, knees, ankles, I mean, everything takes a price. But no, I can't do rubber guard especially. I'm just not – I don't have that kind of flexibility that way.

But I understand how it works you know i mean i can do pieces of it and i can i can get down there with someone like like victor webster or uh or rolf or any of those dudes from 10th planet and go okay well while you're working this your angle is off here you need to apply your pressure there this that you know whatever and you know i'll do stuff if i'm at eddie's just rolling with vick and those dudes i'll throw rubber guard type shit on Vic. That's my best approximation. Sometimes I come up with some pretty clever stuff. Somebody's asked me, why are all these fighters getting injured?

Why are all these fighters getting injured and pulling out of fights? Because they're doing a sport where the whole key to the sport, the end game, is breaking people's bodies. And then they're practicing it all the time. Sure. The end game is breaking people's bodies. And then they're practicing it all the time. Sure. How do you intelligently approach it so you get through all the training but with as little injury to your body as possible?

Do you engineer that or do you just roll the dice? I mean, how do you – I think it's a little of both. I mean, there's a lot of factors that you just can't account for. Somebody – excuse me. Somebody just rolls into your legs somehow, whatever. That shit drives me nuts. That's been coming up a lot lately, and Dana talked about it, that Rashad Evans had to pull

out of a fight, the actual fight where Shogun lost the title to Jon Jones. Rashad was supposed to fight Shogun, but Diego Sanchez was wrestling with some dude and accidentally collided with him. Okay, see, that's just crazy. That kind of shit is a lot. It's crazy. That kind of shit is stupidity.

That's stupidity. They should be nowhere near each other. No, they shouldn't. And one thing that I got from Japan that just always made total sense to me at AACC, Abe and Megumi Fuji's gym, the other people that aren't wrestling stand in between all the other folks and keep them from running into each other. We do that at 10th Planet.

10th Planet, that happens a lot. And that's a nice thing that people do. Come on. You got to be smart with your training. And sometimes like, hey, look. Look at this fighter. He is completely beat down, wore out. And he's, you know, yeah, you could try and get him to mentally push through all this kind of stuff.

But guess what? That muscle fatigue is there. And he's ripe to be injured right now yeah to change training yeah change the training that's where intelligence comes in and that's what people don't understand about mma is that you know i've had people like write these really stupid things that are just knee-jerk reaction oh these brain dead no way knee-jerk reactions to stuff i bet you've seen this you've seen this amongst people but when you know you really break it down in in order to really be at a high level and compete in mma you're managing a lot of shit mentally emotionally physically and on top of that you're trying to piece piece together the game with the most consequences of any other game, the game of fucking people up or getting fucked up.

It's the most consequences emotionally, most consequences physically. Anybody who thinks losing a basketball game is hard has never had their ass kicked. You could go out there and – going out and as a team losing, let's say, the NBA championships sucks. You know what I mean? And as a team losing, let's say, the NBA championships. Sucks. You know what I mean? But it really is only a real motherfucker if you had the game-winning clutch shot and you were actually inside the key and you threw it up. And you blew it.

And you blew it. Now that is way – that's really – That's painful. That's close. That's as close as you can get, that kind of thing, to being a fighter and losing a major fight on national, worldwide television. That's – and even still, like it has to be the championship. You have to lose the entire championship to do that. And here's the thing that also why it doesn't quite get to that point for that basketball player versus the fighter because next year you get another chance just to do it all over again yeah and while you may have

blown it and the whole city's like fuck you you suck whatever blah blah blah no one kicked your ass yeah at the so so now you go and you compound the fact that not only did you just do something you had it all the cards you had all everything in front of you and this was your chance not only did you blow it in front of you, and this was your chance. Not only did you blow it in front of everyone, but somebody beat your ass to make you blow it. You didn't just go out there and fuck up. No, you got fucked up, and you lost. Yeah, the mental management of all these different things, the physical task of actually fighting, controlling your energy, knowing how to pace yourself on top of knowing what to execute and there's so many

dimensions to execution as opposed to like anything standard like a basketball game or even a boxing match hundreds of dimensions i have so many dimensions fourth dimension like my third eye my brown eye when you're adding in i mean like how many look i watched uh crow cop today versus random and we were watching best Pride. I was going off on Twitter. The fucking Best of Pride today was insane. It was Dan Henderson's second fight with Vanderlei, which is one of the greatest fights of all time. That was awesome. And then they showed Cro Cop getting knocked out by Randleman.

And I was like, man, that is where that wrestling dimension really falls into place because Cro Cop is so worried about that takedown that he gets clipped with a big punch right where he probably would not have gotten clipped with that it was just a standard stand-up fight exactly just makes it all so random and gave him the fake and then he came up and knew the kick was coming that's when he threw the punch there's so much intelligence and strategy and consequence and a mother's like it's it's such a highly charged game that when people like say things about it like a highly charged game that when people like

say things about it like a bunch of brain dead mongoloids beating the shit out of each other it's just like man there's some but it's such a silly point of view it is and you don't you know anybody that says that is just you know anytime like i read something uh and this this really got to me there was uh an article on there's this new uh thing on vice called fight land yes and one of the guys on there uh likes to interview musicians about what would their fight music be and he interviewed some guy that's like a producer or something and the guy just essentially just spewed vitriol about how stupid fighting is and fighting is dumb and that's what idiots do and that's what we've regressed when that's a regression we progress past that you

know the uncultured and the you know society is i'm like that's what animals've regressed. That's a regression. We've progressed past that. The uncultured and the society is – I'm like that's what animals do. Animals and babies fight and I'm like fuck you. I'm sorry that you're a lopsided individual and that you actually – the physical part of your brain and your body are basically defunct. You've thrown that away and you think that somehow that makes you a superior human being because actually what it makes you is it makes you a defect you're the kind of thing that i don't want to be out there breeding to make a better human race because you're not gonna because you've decided to throw away a part that is essential as a human being and fighting doesn't have to be angry violent animalistic just two dogs and cats going at it you know that kind of thing it has it can be so much more than that and it doesn't and any physical endeavor is more than that and can be more than

that and it was just such a shitty narrow point of view that i thought well for someone who's supposed to be so educated to say such a thing like it really got under my fucking skin like mad like made me want to beat him up how ironic but i just thought it was it was ridiculous to say that look i've been in the presence of people who have called me an idiot for doing martial arts or for even working out you know i've had like you know the people mock that you take care of your body of course and it's just a defense mechanism because they're smoking cigarettes and they know they're rotting themselves away. And so there's some weird justification that there's like an intellectual argument for the finite lifespan of the human being and why fuck with it anyway? Why even worry about it?

What are you doing? Are you trying to stay alive forever? What are you doing? Are you eating greens and taking your vitamins? What are you taking? Steroids? What are you trying to live forever? And that attitude that they can't be bothered with exercise.

Well, that is one of the dumbest things. You're telling me you're an intelligent person. You want me to respect your opinion. You have these cynical points of views on things. But yet you're not taking care of your meat vehicle. Right. OK? What are you, retarded?

The thing that holds the brain, the computer, all this supposed intelligence and wisdom and all the filter that you have to do everything and to spew out anything that you experience in the world right is exists within this you don't just drive a car into the fucking ground and throw it away it's dumb yeah if you if your car works take care of it okay change the fucking oil stupid and when you you deal with people that somehow or another it's hilarious that is there's like a whole section of humanity that thinks that for some reason that they, by eschewing anything physical and sweating, that they are a superior intellect. And they judge a person like yourself or anybody who's doing something physical as being an inferior intellect.

You almost automatically get categorized. Oh, you're a martial artist. Oh, you fight. That's cute. Oh, that's wonderful. You must be dumb. Oh, that's great. I can't wait.

I'm glad that you can push a broom better than somebody else now. It's like, no, asshole. It's got nothing to do with that. And while, yes, I could out-broom you and probably out-fuck your wife. But either way. They'll probably never be able to wrap their head around What it must have been like To be in like

What was the biggest arena you guys played in Japan? Oh, Tokyo National Outdoor Stadium 93,000 Jesus! Went out there with Bob Sapp And called out Noguera right in front of 93,000 fans In Japanese 93,000 people

Holy shit Who did you fight? I didn't get to fight, I wish I could have. I was Bob's coach. I walked out of the ring with him, and then I got in the center of the ring, called out Noguera after beating Bob. What's the biggest crowd that you ever had? 50,000 at the Tokyo Dome when I fought Yoshiki Takahashi defending the King of Pancras belt for New Japan Pro Wrestling Ultimate Crush 2. I was at 55, I think it was 60,000 in the Rogers Center in Toronto.

It was George St. Pierre and Jake Shields, and that was insane. It's nuts. And I was on, I mean, also to add to, I fought in front of like 50,000, 55,000 people. I fought on the same card where Lyoto made his debut. So I knew that kid. The only way we could converse was through Japanese because he didn't really speak English at the time, and I didn't speak any Portuguese.

And then that card where I fought in front of 50,000-plus, I fought on the same card that Hulk Hogan wrestled on. Whoa. So they mixed it up with pro wrestling as well. Right. That was a big thing in Japan, right? Like they would mix in pro wrestling, and then they would also have pro wrestlers who would fight shoots.

They would fight real MMA fights. There was a real want to try and bridge that gap again. And you know what? It takes the right individual, and it takes the right kind of planning. There wasn't really a good amount of planning put behind getting those wrestlers prepared to do it they were just really a lot of them were just shoved into these scenarios where yakuza well no just by their just by japanese uh politics as it is like you know this is your your shacho's your boss whatever like if he says go do this and you really gotta fucking do it and that's just the way it goes if you're a big-time

pro wrestler like takata and and your boss comes out. Takata was a huge pro wrestler, right? Big, handsome Japanese motherfucker. Right. He went into MMA, and he had a couple of fishy fights. The one with Coleman, that was fishy as fuck. No, it's good. Coleman is a goddamn terrible actor.

I love Mark Coleman. I love the hammer. He's the original hammer. I love him, too, man. I love Matt Hamill. He just had a birthday, Coleman. Did he really? Yeah. I love the hammer He's the original hammer I love him too man I love Matt Hamill He just had a birthday Coleman Did he really?

Yeah I love the fuck out of that dude He's a fun dude to hang out with too Love that guy He's got amazing stories for days Yeah he's great to drink with He's a good dude too I hung out with him

When he was the champ In Augusta, Georgia Oh wow Yeah we went to this crazy club That was like It was like It looked like a house Like someone had turned a house into a club.

I mean, it was a mess. It was like in the 90s when he was the champ. Awesome. The godfather of ground and pound. Love Coleman. Yeah, but his fight with Dakota was clearly fuckery. Okay, so here's an example. So I fought in Okibon by like 2003, I think it was.

For folks who don't understand what we're talking about, we're talking about fixed fights. We're talking about there was a few fights where they had predetermined outcomes because they wanted these big Japanese superhero dudes to win. And there was a couple of them that were kind of obvious. So I fought on this Inoki Bombay card in Kobe Stadium. That was a combination card. No, this Kobe card was all fights. All MMA. This one was all fights. And I fought

Sem Schilt and I defended the King of Pancras title against who was the former King of Pancras guy before me. So it was a rematch against Semmy. And on that same card, my friend, fellow New Japan pro wrestler at the time, still is, Yuji Nagata, fought

Fyodoror and here's the thing he got pushed into that like three four weeks out oh my god and his attitude was just like all right well this is you know i gotta do it they want there they want me to fight him so to make sure that this guy that fjordor basically fights on this card and they they have a match where people are going to be all interested to see it because I have another name, I'll do it. And so I did my best to help him out, train him. I even paid Stitch, who was there with me as my cut and corner guy,

to go to wrap his hands and work on his cuts too. And I did the best I could and I cornered Takata. And, you know, there wasn't, or I cornered Nagata and he just wasn't, he won. He's not even fighting. I mean we used to spar and wrestle and grapple and do all kinds of stuff on tour all the time. We were always working out together. But that's way different from training for a fight and then trying to fight one of the absolute best guys in the world.

And then on like three weeks' notice – It's crazy. The guy is a trooper, man. He's a real fucking awesome dude. But he got pushed into it. There's a different attitude though though, there in Japan. Shogunai is what it's called. Shogunai means can't be helped.

So that's basically the attitude is if something shitty goes down, whatever, reactors start melting down, and you as this technician are just going to go in there knowing you're going to basically you're committing – you're going to die. And you're going to go and you shut that thing down anyways shogun i can't be helped whoa that's hard for us to understand well that's why a tragedy hits japan like that and people stand in line don't flip out orderly they take care of each other yeah but it's beautiful really it is and that's uh that was another thing like the cultures around the world are all different and the way they operate are all different. So like all the crazy shit that's been going on in the U.S.

and then people are going rampant like rabid dogs throwing out statistics from this country and that country and this country all about different things. And it's like you can't really compare us to Japan or us to the U.K. or us to the – they're all different cultures. You only can compare America to America. They're all different cultures. You only can compare America to America. And the way that we, our people are educated, the way that our government system works, the way that our populace is divided up and the land that they live in, the type of philosophies that they carry and the culture that drives them makes them unique to America and no place else. Yeah, it's hard to wrap your head around that. For a lot of people, they think that if we have the same access to weapons as people do in other parts of the world, then we'd have the same results. But that's not the case because if you look at parts of Africa where you've got complete total immersion in crime, like you look at Liberia and the amount of guns and violence and stuff. Like there's parts of the world that are just violent.

That's just murdering each other every day just about. Apparently South Africa, even what you think of as the civilized, more developed parts of Africa in terms of like society and – or like just like city and modern type infrastructure. I'm not here to declare that one way of living is better than, say, an aboriginal. Right, whatever. Who cares? You're just talking about technology. Right. So even in those, I mean, there's like these people.

You know that BMW has an option. And I got this from a South African who was telling me about this. I was down racing the Baja 1000, and one of these guys working with the company Wide Open was telling me about living in South Africa and how BMW has a factory option at the dealerships. I think it's a factory option, or at least it's only offered in South Africa. You order a BMW, you can order an anti-carjacking package. And you want to hear what this anti-carjacking package. And you want to hear what this anti-carjacking package is? Yes. Okay. What they do is they install

propane tanks into these cars and they put a set of burners along the side trim down there below the door. So if somebody comes to carjack you because it is so prevalent, you hit this fucking button and flames shoot out the fucking side of the car.

And you char them to death. I love that. And you know what the cops do? They come rolling up in South Africa and they're like, ah, another one. Wow. I need to get that. And have you seen that? Brian, pull that up.

I don't even know. He's got little feverish fingers. I don't even know how true this is, but I've seen the thing rolling around on Facebook and whatever about some female doctor in South Africa because rape is such a freaking awful problem. Oh, yeah. The anti-rape condom. That they make that insertion device with barbs in it. Yes, it does. Can you imagine living in a society where you have to wear, as a woman, you have to wear a condom with spikes in it but to protect yourself from rape yeah because there's

there's that much rape going on what the it's basically like the jungle how it's as close as people can get to and here's the thing behavior uh another thing my buddy from south africa was telling me about is uh at one point so he he did get so they have tricky ways of carjacking you know down there so he does he gets carjacked and he he's not in his car in a way that he can hit his burners and kill these fuckers. So they carjack him. They run off and whatever, and the cops show up. The cops chase him down and shoot these fuckers. But in the midst of that where they leave the guy, they have to leave the guy to go track down these dudes.

So my friend is just sitting there, and they go, hey, here you go. And they just hand him a Spectre submachine gun and go, alright, if these guys come back around, just shoot them. Whoa. So here's a place full of guns. The cops just gave him a gun. And told him to wipe this dude, wipe him out if they come back. Whoa, here's a machine gun.

Hold your ground. Holy fuck. Here's the carjacking thing. I've actually seen this before. It's crazy. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness, I need to see this before. It's crazy. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. I need to see this. God bless you, BMW. Holy fuck. Why don't they just jack you from the back door?

They have ways of trying to do this. Are they going to do this on somebody? Yeah. Will somebody get cooked? Oh, my God, that's amazing. That is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. And that's what people are living in. What if you missed that switch? What if you're texting while you're driving and you accidentally hit that switch? Look at this. Okay, hey, I'm sorry sorry let me hit this switch real quick where you got this

gun in my face oh no it's not a flamethrower that i'm lighting that's not propane you smell this is wow you need bulletproof glass too they probably offer that can you imagine getting a car accident your car just blow up god bless you god bless you bmw so so that's what i'm talking about and that you know it's it's yeah's – cultures and societies are radically different everywhere. Now, we don't necessarily need flamethrower, you know, things on our cars. I mean – Speak for yourself. There probably are parts of the U.S.

Detroit. Potentially. I don't know a whole lot about Detroit. Detroit is supposed to be bad. It's supposed to be, yeah, real bad. But, I mean, that is a viable option. I mean, that could be necessary. And it's not because I want to run around flamethrowing people for freedom.

Although I try to do most things for freedom. As long as you do it with a good country music background. Yeah. And the belt buckle's big enough. Get something twangy in the background. Yeah. Burn your freedom. Burn you like the eagle inside my heart so fire straight from jesus

to the bad guys so uh i mean but how about this you know think about oh you're driving in your car you got your kids and whatever and some asshole comes up he wants to carjack you and let's just be honest once anybody somebody starts pulling guns knives any type of weapon he wants to do harm to you but for for his own purposes you have no idea what they're gonna do oh well he's just gonna no he's not you don't know if he's just gonna steal your shit you have no clue i mean there was uh a report of uh these dudes and like um i don't know if it was mississippi it was it was like a uh uh bad news ghetto area right it was like a gnarly spot where these where folks were living and apparently these dudes carjacked some little couple and took them back took their car took their shit took them back to their to

their to the residence or wherever where where these uh these nefarious dudes were staying and then tortured and raped them and killed them and then threw their bodies in a dumpster. So it wasn't even enough to just take someone's car, their possessions, their belongings, but took this boyfriend, girlfriend, and fucking mutilated them and did horrible shit to them and then killed them.

And you're like, well, that's just the thing, is that you don't know what somebody who has ill intent for you really has up to do. So I've had people talk to me about like, well, that's just the thing is that you don't know what somebody who has ill intent for you really has up to do. So I've had people talk to me about like, oh, what happens if he pulls a gun on you? I'm like, well, give them what they want. You know what I mean? I'm not trying to bargain my life versus a bullet over a wallet with some money in it or whatever. Like that's just not that important.

It's just not that important. But I also think in my head, like, you have to assess a situation. And it might become absolutely clear that this guy might not have any intention of letting me go. There's a lot of that in the world. Or, you know, if someone pulls a knife on me, I'm like, God, I hope never. And they're like, why? I go, because if someone pulls a knife on me, I'm going to murder them if I have to. Like, I'm not going to stop until he's dead because he's got a fucking knife. I don't know where his friends are. I don't know anything about what's going on all i know is that the minutes a weapon

gets pulled on my person they intend for me to die whether they actually don't have the guts to go through with it or not or maybe that just they just want my belongings i don't know that shit i can't read minds i just know someone wants to cut like to kill me to take my shit i think there's a real there's a mindset that a lot of people have where if you concentrate on things like that, you can sort of manifest it. And if you spend all your time worrying about people attacking you, then you're going to invite that shit into your life. There's a lot of people that really believe that and they also believe that really the

evolved way to be is to just never, never get into any sort of an altercation with anybody and try to keep society as civil as possible. That's impossible. Make as many laws as possible. I see their point of view, but the real problem is the randomness of life. I see their point of view too, but I think it's pretty obvious where that type of concept goes. I mean it's like – You can get killed well you can get killed not only can you get killed but now all of a sudden you take away

the ability to be the kind of any kind of person the person that any individual that you want to be all of a sudden you become some you become part of some fucked up and ran novel yeah you can't even use the word i anymore yeah you know it's like whoa's – why would you want to – that's – yeah, it may be peaceful but how is that – that's a repression of the human spirit and like there's no growth in that. Well, not only that. You're allowing – you're doing a shitty job of preserving your own excellent genetics by allowing some cunt bag to take you out.

Of course. When intellectually you could have made a decision early in your life to prepare for something like this so that if something goes down, you're not physically completely inept and you get to decide whether or not you get injured or not. And if somebody goes to do you bodily harm and they don't understand that you're a trained killer, boom, you survive and they don't. Whereas another person in the same situation, you could think you're smart all day but now you're dead. Yeah. OK? You weren't smart enough to fucking stop from getting your ass pummeled to death you know in the street and

the thing is it could be as simple as a home dude from uh nxs right he uh the guy who died jerking off no no no uh the guy that guy died jerking off no the guy from nsx nxs he killed himself no he died it was autoerotic asphyxiation. He's one of a slew. Trust me, I'm a goddamn expert at that. Okay, well, that may be so, but leading up to that point, he was drunk as fuck, apparently, and got in an altercation with somebody. He got shoved, and he fell, and he hit his head on a curb, and the repercussion of that was he received brain damage to where he couldn't smell or taste anymore.

Really? And it drove him nuts. Oh, my God. And he murdered himself. But that was just simply falling down, hitting his head. He could hit his head on a curb like 50 times, and who knows how it could turn out. It could have brained him right there and killed him or taken – done just giving him a crack and needed some stitches. It could be just a big goose egg.

How long did it um last for him like i think it was a permanent thing for how many years i don't know i don't know but i believe it was a permanent thing like it wasn't coming back that's so he couldn't taste anything taste or smell jesus christ how would you know like what pussy smells like that was actually what was described to me as part of the huge issue was that he loved women so much he could never taste a woman ever again. Oh, the poor guy. Yeah. I mean that's a horrible fucking thing to think of.

But that's also to show you that the randomness, you could fall off. You could fall from 10,000 feet in the air and your shoe not open, bounce, break every bone in your body and live through it. I mean fuck. The human body is pretty amazing what it can go through. and live through it. Yeah. I mean, fuck the human body is pretty amazing what it can go through.

I mean, I should be some sort of, uh, um, uh, example of that as a fighter of 15 years and all the fucking shit I've been through. And yet I'm a walking, talking,

moving, capable human being still. And being physically fit does help with that. And all my fight training and the few accidents I've ever been in where people have hit me in my cars, uh, all that training, all that sparring, all that time spent in the gym and being in those fight-or-flight scenarios and that high-intensity shit,

the whole world slows down to me, and I'm completely cognizant, aware, and capable. Where I know if you were a person that did not train and hone your focus and your physicality and your mental fortitude, you'd just fucking – I don't know what happened. And they would just flip out and they wouldn't be able to be cognizant or aware in that moment at all. It says that he was found dead. He committed suicide apparently.

I'm wrong. I thought he was an autoerotic asphyxiation guy. You're really big on your choking and jerking off. Yeah, I don't know why. It's my thing. There was a – I know – I apologize to the family of Mr. Hutchings. I thought he – Well, it said it had been suggested, but there was no evidence that found it.

Maybe it was one of those like Richard Gere gerbil rumor things. Just something spreading through the air. Have you ever tried that, Joe? Have you ever done that? A gerbil up your ass? No, no, no. Jesus Christ, son. Choking yourself off when you jerk off. With a gerbil up your ass that? A gerbil up your ass? No, no, no. Jesus Christ, son. Choking yourself off when you jerk off.

With a gerbil up your ass? With a gerbil up your ass. No. I don't need to. I don't need to choke myself off while I beat off. I'm fine with regular beating off. Regular beating off. It's always worked well for me.

It's quite satisfying. Yeah. I'm pretty happy with it myself. Yeah. I'm a big fan. I really don't find any need to improve it. It's like when girls started putting tongue rings in. Oh, it helps when you give them blowjobs.

Guess what? It doesn't really help. It's just a new thing. The only thing that make it maybe in your mind, it's like, oh, she's sucking my cock with this weird piece of jewelry. I had a couple girls that have had pierced pussies and it wasn't any better. No. The weird thing about the pierced tongue is they're letting you know they're down to suck some cock. That's like –

In a way, yeah. Yeah, it's a green light. Any girl who has a pierced tongue and doesn't suck, there's a target to shoot some loads. She's down to fuck. Awesome. Put them in the cereals. Girls don't have tramp stamps if they're not down to fuck.

I mean, if a girl does not like sex, she doesn't put a goddamn target on her lower back, right? And if a girl doesn't like giving head, she doesn't walk around with a barbell in her mouth. Says, look at my mouth. Yeah, that's what you're thinking about, shooting loads on that thing. You know what you're doing, you dirty bitch.

You know what you're trying to do. God damn it. Don't pretend. Any girl who has a tongue ring who doesn't give head is an asshole. If you're a girl and you have a tongue ring, or if you're a guy, if you're a guy and you don't give head with a tongue ring, you're a dick. Think about that. If you're a guy with a tongue ring and you don't eat pussy, you can go fuck yourself.

How about that, you silly bitch? If you're a guy and you don't eat pussy anyways, you're a pretty horrible person. Besides, there's a reason why it smells bad. That's nature telling you to get the fuck out of there. You're not the only one who's using this watering hole. There's a battle of loads going on brewing inside that snatch right now. There is no way to cleanse this thing right now. This is a bad news deal.

You need to get out of there. Isn't it funny that smell? It's like the smell of shit and the smell of dirty pussy. Man, that's debatable. I'll tell you, a yeast infection smell is just as bad or worse than shit. It's sharp and it's like this sort of

it just gets on your tongue. Even if you don't eat it, you're just like And it makes you want to flee. Whereas shit makes you want to clean it up. Yeah. If you smell shit, you're like, Jesus, what is this? Yeah, you smell dirty pussy. You don't want to clean it up. You just want it to be gone.

You just want to spray it with Lysol and kick it out the door. Have you ever gone down on a girl and you smell a dirty asshole? Some girls, they don't use baby wipes. They wipe their ass with paper towels and shit. It's a terrible thing where you're trying to concentrate on eating pussy and you smell the asshole next door just stinking up the box. But you don't want to give up because her pussy doesn't smell bad. It's just she smells shit. You just want to clean her up.

So you just take a little bit of the sheets and you just kind of roll it up on top. Or you put a little hand over it, a little palm action. That'll work. By the way, this is the moment where we lost all of our female listeners. I'm sorry. If you're hanging in there, God bless you. We're going to turn the ship around. We're going to bring it back. Did you hear that? We're talking about the ass may stink.

You used a Brillo pad on it instead of something proper. We're still down there trying to do our job. I'm trying to get to the bottom of that. The horrific smell. I know women get uncomfortable about the subject i've had girls like get really mad at me for even broaching the subject like what is going on it's like a rotten squid yeah like rolled in a pile of six month old cat shit

and then by the way i'm not talking about talking about the woman who has that i would never do that i'm not like rude i mean i'd probably let you know you got a little issue but i wouldn't be like really graphic no you got to be cool about it. Right. Bodies do fucking funk, funked up, weird shit. The best thing you can do is like, look, if there's like some sort of a BV thing going on or anything like that, be a fucking cool dude. Please. How about it? Okay. You're fucking a girl in the ass and there's a little poop. All right. Don't, don't flip out about it. Go in the shower and get back to it. And you know what? And then, you know, probably this chick's going to be like, oh my God, oh my oh my god give her a hug

and be like fuck that who cares the other girl lick it up yeah exactly the other girl Brian

not everybody's rolling like you you freak fling it across the room yeah you know or if you're an artist you can make a painting out of it

but even if you were talking about the subject of stinky vaginas with a girl whose vagina doesn't sink they'll be like

stop they'll be like, stop. Stop. It's like you're bringing up Candyman and you're saying his name twice. Don't do it again. Like you're somehow going to invoke the ghost. Tony Todd's going to just come flying out of her vagina with a big hook. What's that weird thing?

Bees everywhere. It's nature literally telling you to get away. The smell of a yeast infection, it's repulsive. It's making you flee like it like literally makes you just if that doesn't then the curds coming out are usually how dare you i dare i dare yeah what is that think of that with peaches on it how come sometimes that cheesy stuff doesn't smell bad at all you don't even care like some sometimes girls just get overly horny and they start producing like yogurt yeah or something yeah i think it's the

beginning of or the end of one. Is that what it is? I think it is. Well, there's also that cream. Some girls have that creamy white stuff that they start, you know, some more than others. And it's fucking potent, man. It's a serious, it's like eating foie gras kind of thing. A girl I dated when I was a teenager.

I can wake you up. A girl I dated when I was a teenager would get so wet, it would run down her legs. Oh, yes. Like literally. Oh, yes. I mean, all the way down. I've had a wet it would run down her leg. Oh, yes. Like literally. Oh, yes. I mean all the way down below her knee. It was crazy. It starts bubbling and, you know, yeah.

It didn't even make any sense. I'm like, are you in pain? Like what the fuck is going on? She would just – and it was all pussy lube. Like everything would be all slippery. She's just fucking going. And, you know, there is a thing about – there's a problem with – not a problem, but just one thing you have to take into account. I've had a few girls that just crazy wetness.

I like to think it's all attributed to me. But I'm such a fucking manly studmeister. You know, the way I put my hands on them, the way I, like, kick the cat out of the way. We're getting on the bed. That's important sometimes for a girl. Fucking throw the animals out of the room. Out. It can get to the point where it's so wet you gotta you just gotta wipe away man you gotta you gotta

clean off and keep going because there's you can't feel anything it's just like yeah yeah there are girls that just goes overboard but fortunately i have a gigantic cock so that's not an issue oh perfect it's always tight it just fucking just stretches that whole thing out yeah they should drink pedialyte so they don't dehydrate. Well, I was thinking to myself because I thought when – I don't have a gigantic cock. The answer is full disclosure. I don't want to lie to the people. They're going to come up to you at a show and be like, Joe, let me see how big your cock is.

It was just a joke. When I was dating this girl, obviously I didn't know any better. I was only like 18, 19 years old. I didn't know that everybody wasn't like that. I didn't know that one day – like a lot of young girls, they get really wet. But then you get older and you realize, oh, wait a minute. That was like as wet as a girl ever got ever. You're like, oh, well, that was her prime.

Like her baby-making prime was when she was like 16, 17. Maybe she just had less hang-ups too. 18, 19, like that. Yeah. Because with women, that's all about the brain. if they they don't want to come they ain't coming some girls can't come right no there's that that's that's which is a tragedy because they they should uh you know have that i mean they it's up to them really yeah and girls will say to you no fuck you you didn't just you didn't make her come she can come you just can't make her come like

trust me there's some there's some girls there's technical difficulties you, no, fuck you. You didn't make her come. She can come. You just can't make her come. I'm like, trust me. There's some girls. There's technical difficulties. You know, you don't mean putting it out right. But honestly, like a lot of times, it's really – and if she's not comfortable 100 percent, she's not where she needs to be. Or even if she's not comfortable with her body enough to know how to make herself come. Look at you all sensitive. I am.

I get in there and stroke the head. How are you doing? Do you want me to release these manacles? Are they too tight? Do you want me to let you out of the basement? Take me, Joshua. It's like the girl I dated in high school. I could fist so easily.

I thought every girl you could fist that easy. Every girl was fistable. Well, your hands were little back then. You were a tiny fella. You were just growing up. If I can at least karate chop them a little bit, then I'm good to go. Well, it's funny how one girl will respond to one thing, but then you try that on another girl and they're fucking angry at you.

Well, you know what I get? It's like, okay, how about some uniformity? Here's something. Now, maybe this would make sense or not, but so I was in a relationship for almost eight years. I'm a super loyal dude. Don't fuck around. Don't play around. That's my thing.

When I'm in one, I'm in one. When I'm not, I'm not. And I became newly single. And so, you know, first off, I get all that. At the time. At the time. This is do-do-do-do-do-do. What can you do about that, newly single?

And so first thing, I'm going out, and I'm trying to go out on the town every, and, you know, people are like, oh, especially the chicks that you run into. They're like, oh, but you just, you have groupies everywhere. You're just fucking everything all the time. You just got all porn.

I go, yeah, actually, in a way, I've got tons of groupies. Straight men who form a barrier around me, buying me all the fucking drinks I want, buying me all the shots, wanting to fuck, like pushing girls out of the way. I can't get a single piece of pussy because they can't get through that wall of cock that's surrounding me. And every girl is like, whatever, you you're lying you're so full of shit like you're just such a playboy i'm like okay so uh so at any point uh i finally start finding a few gals that are they're down to like they're cool they want to read books go for coffee right yeah we're chilling we're talking about the new uh you know operating system on our our max or whatever the ball that the dog catch and bring it back absolutely um and so i find some chicks that are cool they're respectable they're not assholes or whatever and we're all right cool

it's we'll fucking hang out and all of a sudden i get start getting all these girls that want physicality like oh yeah held up whacked around smacked around fucking thrown all over the place aka my ex-girlfriend and i'm like i started to think for i'm talking to my buddies i'm like is it because i'm a big physical dude and i'm a fighter like i don't think they're this way necessarily with everybody like and they want me to do shit and of course I'm more than willing to oblige well you have to but you do judge them no you know you say no well I mean every person is different and you can definitely tell the difference between ones where there's like okay there's some psychological fucking

issues going on here and some that just they see me as that's the facilitator of an ass-whooping fucking apparently. A.K.A. the good ones. I guess, yeah. Those are the ones that are guilt-free. No, no. I've had plenty of chicks that liked getting the shit ragdolled out of them but were awesome, smart, normal. I mean just good people. Like they're rad.

And their bedroom habits don't necessarily aren't always an indication of what somebody is as a person that's always like one of my big issues why people are always being such assholes about gay people it's like i don't give a fuck what he or her does if they're gay at all like how is that that's not they are a amalgamation of all these different things and who they fuck is only one small part of it. Yeah. Get over it. It's a dumb person's argument.

It is. You're dumb or my joke is you're either dumb or you're secretly worried that dicks are delicious. Those are the only two reasons why you'd be upset. Well, my dick seems to be very delicious as far as I'm concerned. How flexible are you? Well, I can't rubber guard so I have to still keep finding these chicks. But I've been told my dick tastes famous. I have been told that.

Famous? That your dick tastes famous? Yeah. What else did he tell you? Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Burn! This is right now where people are getting super angry because the sound levels are not equalized. Hey, what can we do to do this? Is there something we can do about that, Brian? We do it. People are constantly complaining, but they're always complaining that this – There will be – out of one million people that listen to it, there's always going to be two people that tweet you. But the sound – but apparently there are large spikes.

If you have something to say, you got it. You're always going to have large spikes if you have certain people like Joey Diaz where he's like – Or Josh Barnett. There's a lot of fuckingiking shit going on here well you know and here's the thing like uh anybody that's that is completely cool and loves something they often don't say a fucking thing right anybody that wants to be a negative piece of shit like go out there and spoil it for everyone and just shit all over the world with all their negative garbage bullshit you know there's a little of that they want to talk the most.

The people with the least to say want to be heard the most. There's a little of that, but there also is a lot of I learn a lot from the criticism that we get on the show. I'm not applying that with a broad brush across everyone. I'm just saying. I need to qualify it myself because I don't want people to think. A lot of the shit that people have said to us about this show and me as a stand-up and me as a commentator and me as a comedian i said that i said it twice um i've learned a lot from douchebags like it's it seems like you wouldn't because they're they're being cunty but then you got to

say well if they even have a point like even a tiny point they can say something they might not even then all you have to do is figure out what that thing is and take that away like if you have a weakness fix that weakness now they can't say shit. If they do say shit, well, then it doesn't mean anything anymore. It only means something if you really feel like there's some merit to what they're saying. Even some of the dumbest, just most asinine trite that gets thrown at you, it's not always easy to do. But you realize – I mean it is possible to learn in some way from all this shit. Sometimes it isn't anything learning necessarily directly about you.

But this could be by seeing what this person is doing, being on the receiving end of these things. And you can look back and you can think about, well, how have I done anything remotely like that in my own life? How have I ever acted in such a way that is on that same level of just shittiness that this guy is doing to me? Or why is it that people are exerting this kind of terrible attitude via that anonymity? I mean there's so much things that your brain can go to where it's an opportunity for you to to expand upon who you are as a person there's something to take from and i'm not saying it's going to change your life but i mean even the some of the dumbest worst shit that's ever come my way sometimes i just get good material out of it yeah i just fucking start ripping on people whatever and it's hilarious and it still

served me a purpose i still got something out of it and it definitely does broaden your understanding of the possibility of human behavior and you you learn a lot about why people act the way they act. And here's the big one. Haters, like people who are really douchey, are all failures. It's 100% across the board. No one who is truly brilliant at anything is a hater. They're just not. There might be a few jealous sports athletes. If they are a hater, they're not going to go out publicly and be a hater they're just not there might be a few jealous like sports athletes are a hater

they're not going to go out publicly and be a hater well yeah and i mean to be truly excellent at something you have to be concentrating on yourself and positive shit you can't be worrying about shooting somebody down or chipping somebody down so like you're taking the opinions like if you're one of those guys that gets in battles with haters all the time online you know you could do it for fun if you want to but what you're doing essentially is you're one of those guys that gets in battles with haters all the time online, you could do it for fun if you want to. But what you're doing essentially is you're arguing with like some of the biggest failures as a human being that exist. Usually the person that's like, you know what? I'm just going to drop out of high school, get my GED and graduate early.

That person. Well, that's if you're lucky. But even if they have a job somewhere, it doesn't matter. It's like you're socially unsuccessful. Like there was that guy that was – he lost his job. What's his name, Brian? You know what I'm talking about? The Reddit guy.

He was responsible for some of the most heinous, fucked-up shit on Reddit.com. Oh, that's not too bad. Yeah, like underage girls in suggested positions and some dark shit. It was really rude online. Well, they found out his name. They went out and they got him, and like some dark shit. And it was like really rude online. Well, they found out his name. They went out and they got him and they contacted his employer and then they got the guy fired. And then he was on some television show sort of defending it, saying this is a character that he plays online and that it gives him freedom. It's too far.

It's too fucking far. It's bullshit. Like, you know what? I don't care if it's a character. When you're just reading a bunch of text, like you can't tell who's a fucking character or not and and it's there's no way to interpret that when andy kaufman goes on stage and no matter what crazy shit he was doing he wasn't out there trying to to really fuck up people's lives right like maybe you show up at a show and he sings you know uh cartoon theme songs or actually he just lip syncs them the whole time. Okay, you're mad, you spent your money

to go see it, but he didn't ruin your fucking life. He didn't cause you some sort of difficulty. He didn't do something that's like, fuck, dude. He didn't impact you in such a negative way that it made it huge. That you want to kill him. There used to be an MMA forum,

the same thing, that fight sport forum. Oh yeah, I remember that. Everything was just nothing but negativity, negativity, negativity. Just horrible ass shit. There'd be people portraying or maybe for real like racist personalities. There'd be people digging

up stuff on other. And just all of it was just to be nothing but to be horrible to each other and other fighters and people. And I'm like, fuck, you know, why live your life that way? Why spend all that energy? And truly, at the end of the day, you haven't horrible to each other and other fighters and people and i'm like fuck you know why why live your life that way why spend all that energy and truly at the end of the day you haven't gotten anywhere like you you've just been swimming in place you haven't improved your life you haven't gotten any further along and trying to accomplish something for yourself at all well most of them

are 12 you know the sad part is some of those are 32 going on 12. Yeah, maybe even 50. This guy who got caught, the Reddit guy, he was a guy with children. Why would you – why spend – because there's clearly something lacking in his life socially somehow that he never came to grips with. And he's using this anonymity to do this. No doubt. It's just they have a voice that didn't exist in the past. In the past, they were the person that when they would be dealt with socially, like in a one-on-one situation, if they ever said anything, anything, everybody would be like, fuck you, stupid. Look at you, you dumb, fat fuck. And they would be shot down.

It would be over. But they can lash out at you without any fear of social repercussions. You just brought something really that really just went off in my head. All right, Joe. You're a comedian. Yes, sir. Comedians throw out heinous shit sometimes. But jokes are jokes are jokes, and you give out as much as you got.

But the only way that you can throw out as much as you got in terms of being a comedian and pushing boundaries and saying crazy shit sometimes or whatever is because you're willing to take as much as you get. Right. And that's the difference there. Don't go out there and say some rude shit. that is against somebody else or some other groups or because even if it's the wrong thing that they're doing and you need to stand up as some sort of a avatar against it because it's the wrong fucking thing. It's not good. To do that means you have to be willing to accept every negative thing that's going to

come with that and be okay with that. Be like, you know, to go out there and stand up for the right thing, something shitty might come my way. But this is something that must be done. And even if in a social scenario, if you're – oh, I'm going to – everyone is potshotting each other. And it's fun. But to say something, to insult somebody else even in a fun and a just way, you can't do it if you can't fucking take it. Because we've all known those people.

We're all fucking around. We're saying horrible shit to each other and somebody chimes in. because we've all known those people we're all fucking around we're saying horrible shit to each other and somebody chimes in and and and it's what's funny is there's always a change in tone when that guy does it from everybody's response to them because you can it's like you can feel the shit that they're saying and not being able to take it and the place they're coming from it's like it could come out their mouth the same but there's a different energy and you and if that's you turn to them and you're like fuck you you piece of shit shut the fuck up and it changes it's like it's different between you and me riffing on each other all of a sudden he's serious and it

was just joking around with everybody else as long as he was involved in the joking but we realized but it's like you you can real you can you realize that when they throw out that thing they can't take it either and so they shouldn't really be participating because they're just isn't isn't in the same vein well that's what the thing about being able to hate on someone especially a public person like a josh barnett type character which is apparently wonderful to do you're anonymous because if you're just some anonymous person you have no repercussions whatsoever you know so much about you they know what you look like they know the fights you've had like right i was watching uh some battle on I don't know it was a Twitter or whatever the fuck it was I was reading on an MMA site it was Josh

Thompson was arguing with this guy and the guy was bringing up like I me and my friends we laughed out loud watching you get KO'd by Eve Edwards please fight again so we can laugh again and you get knocked out him and I'm why I'm like this this piece of shit That is like the weakest move As a human being To go after what you know hurt a guy What you know is a devastating loss

To go after that When you're just anonymous Someone that put it out there They expose themselves to all the glory And all the Sadness and difficulty of defeat. He went and dared to do it. And you don't dare to do anything besides sit behind an anonymous thing and really accomplish

nothing and try to take shots at somebody who went out there and tried, who went out there and went to excel and put himself in a position where it's precarious and it's difficult and there's no guarantees. And he knew that. And he knew that everyone would watch it. And you also you also know as a fighter you go out there and you lose you're opening yourself up to all of that for people to come out there and use that as a weapon against you because of their shitty uh personality yeah exactly and so to to do that it's fucking weak of course don't argue with them because they no one's paying attention to what the fuck they

have to say anyway so when you respond you give them exactly what they're looking for. They feel now they're important. Yeah, and I also think that this is not going to last. I think this is an era in humanity that we're going to figure out. It's already been too long. Yeah. I don't know when it's going to end, if it does end. Well, it sort of already has with this Reddit guy.

I mean they can track you down. They can find out who the fuck you are. If somebody is decently motivated, for guys like you or I or Brian, you get a certain amount of access to us. You're on Twitter. You're on Facebook. People can write threads on the underground. You're going to read them. There's a certain amount of access.

Well, they should be insulting Brian, though. They should be? Ohrian though they should be oh yeah absolutely no no come on leave the little guy there's a certain amount of i mean you're you're gonna you're used to it and you can deal with it but when it comes on them when all of a sudden their real name is exposed and their employer is like all of a sudden it's like whoa they then they realize like look you're you're in an ever-changing game okay and this anonymity you might have enjoyed two years ago really doesn't exist anymore. And guess what? In a year from now, I'm going to be able to read your thoughts, OK? So keep it together, bitch.

Keep it together. If you keep taking all this stuff from Onnit.com, that might even come sooner. Try to be a better person, you fuckhead. And that's what people don't understand. People aren't trying to be better people. And that is what's killing this country as it is. People, you know. The human race, period.

The human race, period. But it varies from place. I think here in America, we have a very specific case. Like I was saying, it is specific to us as Americans of the way we use our technology, the way that we are progressing or regressing as individuals. And there's this huge concept of – so one thing about people talking shit about folks is that, of course, there's anonymity. But there's also this prevalent attitude that I can go out there and be as much of an asshole as I want because you're not going to do anything about it. You can't beat me up. You can't just fight me. Nobody actually thinks that anything will happen.

Oh, well, I'll sue you. You should be able to sue you. If someone talks shit to you and you're a pro MMA fighter, you should at least be able to bitch slap them. A little bit. It should be totally legal. And my thing is, like, even if you're being outwardly with – so many people lack common courtesy anymore, just the smallest things. And if you do something that is discourteous in a public manner and you upset somebody well most people just fucking take it but if someone goes hey fuck you for doing you

know xyz that's not cool instead of someone being like all right either a i'm sorry you're right that was fucked up i shouldn't have done that and you know waking up uh or b being like well you know what fuck you i'm just an asshole so let's fight and dealing with it and then let's say they get their ass beat and then they go about their way no no no it's always like they just keep pushing that barrier because that boundary but and crossing that line because they think you can't do anything about it you can't just you know use freedom of speech i can be as much of a dickhead as i want as long as i don't do anything to you and it's okay fine and i've i've had usually it is any of these things where i've had where it's happened to me i've turned to them and i you know i tell them like in a movie theater you know fucking cell phone and then on on the

cell phone talking on it in the middle of a movie theater and i just turn around i go are you fucking on your phone in the middle of a movie fucking kidding me and i looked at him i go get off that fucking phone right now i'm gonna break it in half and shove it up your ass. And I say that because – That's what someone would say in a movie. Well, there's that. But also, yeah, it's very appropriate. It's very Clint Eastwood style. When I – I pride myself on being – if I say some shit like that, after I've said it, there ain't no turning back.

And if I say I'm going to do it, I'm going to fucking do it because otherwise my word is meaningless. Would you really shove it up their ass you probably would shove it up there i would break them a little like a bad baby throw them across the chair maybe i don't know but yeah if they just went limp though you probably just scream and pick them up and shake them yeah if they just went limp they just completely fetal position i'd take that phone break it slam it on the phone tell them what a piece of shit they were, and then let it go. That's your move, folks. Listen, you've got to go limp. Just go limp, and if you can, start crying. Yeah.

Just cry. I go limp all the time. It's wah, wah, wah, wah. Right after I'm done. Oh! Happens to everybody. I think this is a very important subject, and I love that you brought it up, and I think this is a really important subject and i i love that you brought it up and i think um this is a um a really

important subject for the the young men especially of this era that are growing up now just being force-fed video games and not having any character building exercise just leave a kid with the the portable the portable gaming system and you know what i love games i gamed a lot when i was a kid and i loved it. But guess what? When I'm out with my parents or I'm at family functions, I'm not sitting in a corner completely buried into some electronics the whole time being like, fuck that. You can't let your kid do that shit. Yeah.

Well, it just definitely doesn't teach them good human skills. But what concerns me is the lack of character building things. If you're not involved in some kind of athletics, then to me, it's either that or some other difficult intellectual pursuit. But there's something that has to humble you. Being able to suffer a bit. Yes. You got it.

Being able to have some, you know. Be able to push. Yeah. To be able to realize that you will. And fail. And fail and learn from the failures objectively. One of the most important things you could ever learn as a man is how you fucked up and how not to fuck up again because you understand the pain of fucking up. One of the saddest things.

I own up to it too. And one of the saddest things is when you see rich kids. Kids that grow up with no character. No understanding of failing and fucking up. Yeah. They got to cook all their life. Here's the other one. They don't understand that the reason that they're able to create a business doing this

or do that or have all this little successful shit running around them is because they had all the facilities to do it in the first place. They didn't have to strive and struggle and fucking, you know, oh, you fuck up. I've got money to cover that fuck up. It's like dummies who are proud to be from America, like they did something. It's one thing to be proud to be from America because we have an agreement that we're America and we're not cunts. We all get together and we fucking strive and we try to make the best shit and be proud of that. But to make it seem like you're great because you're American when you were just fucking born in a lucky spot, like that's ridiculous.

That is fucking bullshit. You're not your country're American when you were just fucking born in a lucky spot. Like that's ridiculous. That is fucking bullshit. You're not your country. Yeah. Exactly. It's ridiculous. If you're lucky enough to be born anywhere you're at, you should be proud of where you're at. But part of having pride in that is by being a fucking good example of a human being and representing that culture to its fullest. That's it.

Not being proud that you're from a fucking city, stupid. That's ridiculous. Be proud of your own personal control over your character. And your contribution to your city, to your community is to be a fucking involve yourself. That's the big problem is, you know, I've said this over and over again, is that the biggest resource in the world is children. Children will become the adults of the future, obviously. the biggest resource in the world is children. Children will become the adults of the future, obviously.

And the more access to information and character-building exercises and the more we can make them great, the better off the future is going to be for everybody. Of course. But that's the most neglected aspect of this world. It's amazing. I mean, how many people are just out there popping kids out that don't have the education or the money to support? I mean, they don't even, to me, I look at it as they don't understand how difficult

and how important raising a child is. There's also a disconnect in what we call culture. There's a disconnect in a society because the society started out where everybody had to stick together because you'd go on hunting parties. Right. And, you know, you'd be growing food or taking care of babies and there would be collectors you know collection uh collectives where uh you know everybody would pile in their food everybody had to stay alive everybody had to do their own job everybody knew everybody encountered on everybody but it got to a point where there wasn't 50 people anymore

now now you have walls now there's a thousand now there's two thousand now you don't even know these fucking people right so that that this disconnect is in place where you you have all these people that are supposed to be like your comrades and your brothers and sisters but you don't even fucking know them you know and then it get that's when you get to a city and that's when you get to a country and that's where america is it's this weird thing now look at the way that technology has influenced our disconnect from each other you're buried in your phone every day of every of every second of every hour these people you're not talking to anybody in line you're not actually conversing with the people that provide the services that you that you're

supposed to go to in life like the postman the the person at the supermarket like you're not conversing you're just like hey swipe card do whatever get back you know ironically it's also connecting countries the internet connects countries and disconnects people it does and the thing is is that the internet can be used for so much good and it can also be a crutch to turn you into a shitty, completely non-community based – you think that you're getting the same thing by being on Facebook or Twitter and all this and that. Now all of a sudden you're interacting with people. Well, you are interacting with people but that is not the way humanity works in fact i was reading a thing about how being a misanthrope like deliberately not interacting with society on a regular basis can be worse than being an alcoholic for your for your body and your health i'm like just simply not interacting with other people yeah it makes sense i mean it's just you're you're dwelling on negative energy and you're

not getting any positive warmth from humans which is like one of the most satisfying things a person can get is like love from other people yeah you see somebody write something nice to you online all that that's cool if you're having a one-on-one conversation look somebody in the eye and they say you know what I really respect you for the person that you are and I think I'm really proud to know you that has a way different effect on some same as like people want to send text messages about important ass shit. Yeah. Like, oh, sorry about this.

Oh, and you know. My dog ate my baby. Whatever. Or something. Or like, oh, did you hear that so-and-so just died? Like, fuck. Give me at least a phone call. Yeah.

Like a text is not, I mean. Well, it's a cheap way out. It is a cheap way. Because you really, or it's like, oh, I want to break up with you with even a phone call or do anything. Oh, please. Show up in person. If somebody wants to break up with you and sends you a text message, you got off light. I guess so.

You don't want to talk to them. I've gotten a phone call break up. Oh, yeah. Actually, that was really fucked up. I'm like, oh, man. It was to me also because I'm like, weren't we supposed to be like best friends before all this shit? Together forever, Josh Barnett shitty god can't even look me in the face and be like hey what's up it's over bitch can't fuck me no more this pussy is heading that direction and you stay right there boom boom boom gonna bonanza this vagina right out yeah it's um the

the lack of development of uh of human beings like where they're tested and where they have to develop character that's like one of the the big like one of the the the most disappointing aspects of our society in our culture is that we've never figured out a way to cultivate people correctly that way well and it's that it hasn't been done yet we can do it. Of course we can. We have plenty of money and plenty of resources to do things like that. And it can just start from the smallest thing in the house with chores to just being stern in your word and leading by example.

I mean, the opportunity to give children those things to help develop them, male or female, exists every single day and they're completely at our fingertips if we want to choose to participate in taking that kind of responsibility for bringing this child into the world and trying to raise them to be an awesome human being and a contributing important part of society and helping show by example what a good person is, the drop that starts the ripples, it's super important. Well, it is. And some people, obviously, they take on that task when they're just trying to get some pussy.

And then all of a sudden, they're in this situation and they try to make do and they fuck up and they really don't have their own shit together. There's a real problem in that we haven't really addressed how to properly make use of our young people. I think it's beautiful to have freedom. It's beautiful to have the ability to choose whatever occupation you want. But I think that the steps that you go from being a young man living with your parents to being in college to being independent, they're so obscure. Oh, massive. It's so like, am I really – am I out here now? OK. Now I've got to get an apartment.

And what do I do now? Well, you've got to make sure you get a good job with a good – OK. You can do that. How do you get a good job? Right. Go to college. You go to college. You spend all – it's like actually –

Yeah. You don't – I mean there's still this huge myth that you need to go get a four-year degree and do all that shit. Well, not every four-year degree is actually worth the fucking fifty thousand dollars you just put yourself in debt like sometimes you're actually doing a disservice to yourself and putting yourself behind the you could be just another college graduate working a fucking shit job that can't barely pay off their loans you got to realize what what is it where is it worth putting that money towards you know i tell people all the time that are just sort of unsettled, whatever. Even parents, oh, our kids, we're thinking about moving them along in the next step.

They're graduating. They go, send them to fuck. Figure out. He or she isn't going to really know what they want to do yet, likely. But if they have an idea, find the university or whatever school that at some point they're going to need to be at. Find the university or whatever school that at some point they're going to need to be at. And then find the appropriate junior community college that transfers well into that fucking deal. And they do that because you need to get in there and get your shit done.

Right. Books, education. I mean, if you really want to be true about it, you don't have to go to a college to learn anything. You can fucking read a book. You can teach yourself. And even with the internet like you're talking about, there's so much information and knowledge out there that a person can process. Now, of course, having one on,

well, you don't ever get that necessarily, but having human interaction to help guide you upon this with their own experience is invaluable. But the actual knowledge, the actual process of just gathering knowledge and getting understandings, that – fuck, man. You could become a lawyer by going to a library. Sure. The actual process of gathering knowledge for sure is – it's much easier now than it's ever been before.

The real problem is that people don't have good guidelines as far as behavior, as far as getting things done, and as far as positive thinking. Yes. One of the things that has been a side effect of this podcast, completely unintended, and we never saw it coming, was that all these fucking people are – I meet them after shows. It changed my life. I lost 100 pounds. I drink kale shakes every morning.

I work out every day. I started jujitsu. It's like thousands of fucking people. And what they say is that almost to a man, it's like I never had anybody around me that was talking the right way. It's that it wasn't me. It's not that I didn't have potential. It's not that I have nobody that motivated me. And then all of a sudden someone did. And now I'm moving. What are you doing? Are you sleeping over there, dude? It's not me. Is that all of a sudden, someone did. And now I'm moving. What are you doing? Are you sleeping over there, dude? It's not me.

Is that you snoring? No. Are you sleeping? It's not me. Is he sleeping? No, it's not me. That wasn't you. I think he's nodding off.

It wasn't you. No, I'm sleeping. So who the fuck was making that noise? Somebody was breathing into the mic. It wasn't him, dude. It's not me. Oh, my God. He was sleeping.

No, it wasn't. I think we caught him sleeping. I swear to God, it wasn't. You'll hear it again. I fell asleep in the movie theater the other day I bet you don't feel it But that sounds really familiar to a lot of women I've called What do you wear?

Is that what you do? It's my opening line They don't tell you what you're wearing if you tell like that If you go hey what are you wearing? Crazy bitch Then they tell you Hey dirty whore What are you wearing?

Don't say that Aw too far Dirty whores Yeah Aw well you know we all have our preferences That's when they get gangster with you. But you're right. You know what? It's just like I said.

You want people to be a certain way. You want to make a difference in the world. Start with yourself and it goes from there. Start with yourself. Give an example that other people can follow just like the examples that you followed. I mean, everybody is where they are because they learn from someone greater than them, almost everybody to a person, learn from somebody in the beginning.

I have some of the men that have been formative in developing who I am as a man in life. And I tell people some of the stories that came to having these people in my life. And some folks, especially a lot of these men nowadays that are – and I'm not even going to speak about women because women and men are – they have totally different mindsets in the way that they develop. And they're apples and oranges. But the men will – Are you saying that men and women are different, dude?

Oh, my God. Are men from Mars? Where are women from? I know I'm from Mars. Are they from Uranus? As a warrior, as the fucking god of war and death and blood and fire and all that shit. You just need to hug your big brother.

Yeah, in a handy. But let's start from there. These men will look at me that are way underdeveloped in terms of trying to have that well-rounded understanding of being a man, you know having the all the all the facets covered and uh i'll tell them these stories about some of the people that that are major to making me the man i am and they're like like their eyes get huge as dinner plates and they can't believe that they're like that sounds terrible that's fucking horrible that's how could i'm like you know what it's not actually that bad all right you know and and i'm wouldn't change any of it because it made me the kind of person that I am today, and I like who I am.

And some of these people were hard as fuck. There's been some people in the past that were hard as fuck. That Farmer Burns character who used to hang himself. Oh, yeah, by his own – hang himself from his neck and just stand there. People pay to watch that. This guy used to drop. He didn't just used to hang himself from his neck and just stand there. People would pay to watch that. This guy used to drop. He didn't just used to hang himself.

He used to drop like, I don't know how long. I don't know how many feet. I mean, it wasn't just, let me put this around. Okay, I'm ready. Go. No, he would drop and catch himself with his fucking neck. His neck was so strong. His giant neck. These guys used to wrestle back in the day doing all the catch-as-catch-can stuff or just any type of wrestling.

They didn't have nice, wonderful spongy mats. And if you did have any sort of mat substance that you could use, it was probably someplace that was quite affluent. So you know what they're wrestling on? Ground, grass, rug, carpet type shit. I mean, that's the snake pit in

England. They used to wrestle on a carpet, throwing each other over woods. Jesus Christ. But that's just it. Was the snake pit – was that a famous catch? Yes. For folks that don't understand, there's a couple different schools of submission style grappling. And one of the earliest ones in America called catch wrestling or catch as catch can.

And it was – there was real professional wrestling at one point in time. Right. Unlike theatrical professional wrestling, which is like entertainment, they used to go at it. And you could pin a guy or you could submit him. It could be either one. And there's a lot of gangster fucking holds that I learned from Silvio Pimenta, who's a black belt under Gene LaBelle.

Oh, yeah. And Gene LaBelle. Oh, yeah. And Gene LaBelle loves all that shit. Right. So Silvio, he was always like bigging on these crazy neck cranks and all these different things. I'm like, why aren't these in jiu-jitsu? But they are. Some guys use them. Sure.

Did you see Damian Maia's victory over Rick Story? No, I didn't. He submitted him in the first round, but he got his back. He couldn't get a rear naked in, so he turned it into a neck crank oh sure face locked the shit out of him yeah oh it was a terrible angle like it was like oh absolutely like instant tap ones like your head's gonna fly off sure enough i mean they're wrestling is wrestling man and and there's it's all over the world and people are styles have developed you know jiu-jitsu is the way it is for the most part because of the rules of the sport of jiu-jitsu because often sport will predicate how your training will be developed because you want to be the best within this confinement.

But that doesn't – that's not to say you can't expand upon anything with the human body. If you want to be dynamic, be as dynamic as you want to. The JKD Bruce Lee philosophy, eat the meat and spit out the bone. I mean there's no reason anybody can't do that for themselves. I love – what's his name? Shannon. Who's the dude? Oh, Jake Shannon?

Jake Shannon. Jake Shannon is a great historian when it comes to catch wrestling. He's just an awesome dude all around. Very good dude. When it comes to even political stuff and cultural stuff. He's a brilliant dude. And the shit that he puts out there in the world as a whole, not just the catch stuff, is amazing shit. Yeah, I agree.

He's a really good dude. But a great historian. But he really loves the history of catch wrestling. And because of him, and he's put out books and DVDs and shit, but some of the photos that he's found, it's amazing. The techniques that they had, that they were using, like triangles. They were using half guard. They were using the lockdown from half guard they were sweeping guys with these positions they were using all these different guillotines

armin guillotines the first time i saw the lockdown shioji kosaka was doing it to us in amc back in the day and he used it as the submission version so you get lined up on a half guard you throw the lockdown on and you would extend and you basically you're putting like a calf crank on somebody and so that's how i first and this is back in like 2001 if you get caught sideways on it it's like a heel hook yeah so so that's how i learned it as like a like a tricky little submission and kosaka was full of them you know tk yeah and so that's what i first found out about lockdown and then um then i saw eddie you know he came across and he used it as a as a positional tool to keep him for for using uh his bottom game in terms of his reverses reversals and and setting up you know isolating that leg to use it later

into different applications but it just goes to show you can do fucking things a million ways and then i remember billy robinson who is from the snake pit in England, where that whole term like those – he's – Billy Robinson is a – he's from Wigan. And in Wigan, that's where they came up with the term catch as catch can. Get it any way you can. And Billy – which I also refer to my love life. which I also refer to my love life. Then they had the Snake Pit over there, and Billy Riley started this place,

and just only the toughest of the tough, these fucking coal miners, these gnarly dudes. Wrestling on hardwood. Well, here's another sport they used to do over there called purring. What? And what they would do is they would, yeah, it doesn't involve kitty cats, unfortunately. What it involves is them putting on, they have these boots with studs on them on the bottom. Oh, Jesus. And in the shin oh get the fuck out of here but not just like free form but back and forth i go you go until somebody quits yes how big are the spikes fuck

i don't know too big obviously it's always too big is this like is there any photos of this shit i believe so go ahead and look it up oh my god but uh purring purring like p-u-r-r-p-u-r-r-i-n-g i believe purring violence kicking kicking shins uh england uh so anyways what's wrong with england was it there's no pussy over there i guess so i mean they just exhausted that opportunity and uh you know snorting too much coal i guess makes you want to kick each other in the shins but it's weird how they're so polite today sure enough yeah uh but uh uh i've got you know the only time i remember being in a town with the ufc uh we're over in england and the only time i remember where people were the fighters were out trying to go grab shit to eat and do whatever and

people are constantly like hey fuck you mate uh you want to fucking go like whoa dude are you kidding me this is london yes just over. Wow. I think you're looking at me funny. I'll fucking knock you out, right? Well, some dudes- Fucking proper. Certainly go out looking for that shit, right? Sure enough, but I just remember people coming back to the hotel over and over again and being like, Jesus Christ, man.

Everyone's trying hard as shit, trying to fight everyone. Was this the Tito Ortiz, Lee Murray days? Oh, yes. So this was actually before MMA had really made its way to England. Oh, yeah. Isn't that interesting? They didn't really give a shit who any of these American blokes were. They just wanted to fight them.

Isn't that funny? This was before MMA came here because now that MMA is there, the attitude is kind of different. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure there's still plenty of Brits that will just want to slug you up. So these guys, these catch wrest you know they're going out there and and so billy robinson who trained at the snake pit he's a catch wrestler and an amateur wrestler

and i remember uh he's doing a little seminar out in santa monica and he's showing this drop down sort of this this leg hook single leg and it turned you know you drop to a hip and then you come back up and i'm like just so you know billy right now there's this jujitsu guy called marcelo garcia and that's like his number one entry into everything he fucking does right now isn't that crazy even though you've never trained jujitsu you've never seen marcelo and trust me billy robinson had never seen or heard of marcelo garcia it's just moves yeah well marcelo's technique was fairly basic it's just that he had hit it so well like the arm drag to the back was pretty pretty standard the way he did it was so is this it

is this purring oh my god many very good photos is this real these motherfuckers still do this shit i don't see any spikes do they give up on the spikes oh no they have spikes around their ankles do you see what i'm talking about? Jesus fucking Christ. When there's not enough vagina around, you start doing really stupid shit. Trust me. I grew up in Boston. I know what's up. Oh, there we go.

So this guy grew up doing that as well when they weren't doing catch wrestling. Well, I don't think Billy Robinson was doing any purring. I think he was smarter than that. Jesus Christ. But it's just the fact that moves are moves. And he's showing something from one angle. And it's like, by the way, there's a guy doing that right now. And he's winning world titles.

I think it was really interesting when – British shin-kicking championships. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is pussy shit. They're putting hay. They're packing their shins with hay. This is fake. Take these frauds.

Look at these pussies. Take these frauds. Look at these pussies. Take these frauds away. It was really interesting in MMA when Sakuraba came along because there was this one style of submissions that everybody was sort of gravitating towards, or a lot of people were gravitating towards, which was Brazilian jiu-jitsu. And then there's this Japanese dude

who had this really kind of funky, different sort of style, did similar techniques, but kind of had his own little flair to it, and it turned out he had actually been trained in catch wrestling. Bill Robinson. Yeah. That's an amazing story. The Sakuraba, for people who weren't really fans of MMA, they're never going to appreciate what a bad motherfucker Kazushi Sakuraba was.

Let me tell you some Sakuraba shit about you know i know how badass he is you know how badass he is a lot there are plenty of uh of serious mma fans that know how how legit sakuraba was and how much of a uh of a like just a character like a sprung fucking cat on the ground like just able to to bound into to any positioning and get his stuff you know uh back in the day when he was going through the system at UWF, doing the shoot style pro wrestling stuff, where they would sometimes mix in shoots and works, you know, on the same deal. And a shoot, for folks who don't know what the fuck I'm talking about,

a legit fight, like a full-on fight. But these were all under pro wrestling rules. A work is a predetermined part. Right. And these are all under professional wrestling rules. They had this lost point thing with the rope escapes and getting suplexed and knocked down and whatever. But back in the day, not only did Takata used to beat him up because Takata used to be a legit like fucking – he had a hellacious kick.

He was a good athlete and he could fight. But Tamura used to abuse the shit out of Sakuraba all the time. the shit out of sakuraba all the time there was a few times where they'd go they'd in the ring in professional wrestling they would go legit and fucking tamra would own him like tamra was the man so what happened how did sakuraba well he he graduated man he grew up he got better yeah of course that conant fight the first ufc in japan yeah when uh he fought conan silveira and they uh they stopped it prematurely and he's like what fuck? And so they started to back up again later on. Later on in the night, they fight again. It was craziness.

It was like, boy, just the emotional rollercoaster they must have been under. He didn't just beat him. He went out and tapped him. Tapped Conan Silvera, which had never been done before. No one had seen a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt get tapped yet. It was like the new thing. It was like maybe someone had. I think maybe John Lewis and Andre Pederneris. i think maybe um john lewis and uh andre

pedonaris i think maybe pedonaris had tapped john lewis did he tap him did he catch him no he didn't tap me soccer kicked him oh did when sato was on his back and pedonaris like slapped like his right leg and came around with his left and soccer kicked him while sato was an open guard was so was who was theitsu black belt to get tapped? It might have been Conan. It might have been Conan. It was like a shocker. It was the most high-profile one.

That's for sure. Well, then was that – that was before Maurice fought Conan? No. After. After. Yeah, Maurice had already knocked Conan out. But a kickboxer knocking somebody out, that's kind of a given. But the idea of a jiu-jitsu guy losing – especially to non jiu-jitsu mm-hmm fighter yeah yeah you know they know

what to catch about it and I used to get that all the time at AMC and people be like jiu-jitsu folks what's your belt I don't have a belt no oh what do you do for grappling and I'm like well you know we train here we do catch wrestling we do that oh okay okay and then we'd roll on and fucking annihilate him and they'd get so pissed and upset and there's a lot of phony baloney catch wrestling there there are but you know that's a wonderful aspect of humanity if you've got the ability to uh to uh to bring truth into the world and and be honest about shit and you know with all the faults and and also great things about it most human beings instinct is to go out there and just lie the fuck out of it

and just make excuses, change shit around because it's not good enough to just have things exist and have it be true. No, we have to go ahead and – I mean especially shit like religion, politics. It's just, oh, let's make a book and call it the word of God. So therefore you can't fucking argue against it. Anything that happens, you say, well, how – word of God. Word of God you can't fucking argue against it. Anything that happens, you say, well, but how, word of God, word of God. Can't argue with God,

bitch. And then, but essentially have a book that's compiled of other books and you decided to leave other random shit out just because and then,

you know, it's gone through the hands of all these other people and all their other agendas. How did you get here from jujitsu? It's because the basic idea of it was human beings all throughout civilization are full of shit. When they can be.

Lying. Obscuring the truth. There's a lot of guys that don't have belts that are super high level. Like Matt Hughes, Chris Lytle. Chris Lytle's the one. Everybody always said Chris Lytle was a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. But apparently that was even given to us in press sheets. Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt Chris Lytle. Apparently he to us in press sheets. Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, Chris Lytle.

Apparently he doesn't have any belt. Probably not. No, he trained with those – speaking of a bunch of catch wrestlers, the Integrated Fighting Academy. Where was that? That was out in Indianapolis. That was Jason Godsey's place. You're such an interesting case, dude, because you were there during the dark days. You were there when there was no regulation. You were there when you were there like during the dark days like you were there like like

you were there when there was no regulation you were there when you were allowed to wear shoes you know like soccer kick and stomp and headbutts and that you're still here when it's on fox the difference is that you know as i've developed as an athlete over the years but the biggest thing is i developed my skills right so i'm not most most of these fighters and I'll say this and I'll say it publicly. They have – most of these fighters that go through the system, let's say they get good enough. Let's say they get in the UFC. We'll just use the UFC as the standard example. Excuse me.

So what they do is they get to a certain point and they get to enough skill- wise and then they just improve their athleticism to such a degree with they'll get into the ufc let's say and let's say they're successful okay they probably have about a two to three year window if they're good enough to be like a to get a title or be a title contender if they're that good they got about two or three years at which they could potentially get a title or fight for a title and after that then they're that good. They've got about two or three years at which they could potentially get a title or fight for a title. And after that, then it declines. And then they might still be successful enough

to be still a viable fighter in the UFC. But even that lasts only about as much as five years. And after that, throw them out because they're done. Their athleticism has dropped enough that they don't have the skills to back it up anymore most of these fighters just out athlete the other fighter for the most part and uh they even did a big statistic about fight careers and the once you get to seven years the drop off for success is astronomical and the idea of people going 10 years or 15 years like myself unreal like it's almost unheard of and uh well not only that but

you go from age 20 to age 35 19 to 35 yeah 19 was my first fight against a pro and at 35 you're still amongst the top heavyweights in the world i could beat any of those motherfuckers out there walking the earth right now. If you had to, would you, I mean, if you had to retire for any reason, would you start coaching? Because I think you would have a lot to offer. I think you have just the fact that you've gotten through 15 years at a very high level, you know, I mean, from your time in pride to today, I mean, that's a lot of goddamn competition against very high level guys you you have a lot of shit that you could teach kids that could cut out like do you see like a lot of people that are being coached and they're being coached by people that don't have nearly the kind of experience that you have and you see some

mistakes they're making with young talent sure i do i see a lot of mistakes in terms of coaching it's not just even about technique necessarily. A lot of it is they create a system and they think that everybody has to fit within that system and that there is no wavering from that system. And the thing is, everybody is different. Everybody is an individual and everybody needs to be coached differently. I have coached through the years and I've coached people to world championship fights. I've coached people to world championship fights. I've coached people to world titles.

I've had – I think I've had more women at one time ranked in the top ten. And some – most of them ranked in the top five of the world in their respective weight classes than any other coach in MMA. Megumi Fuji was one of them. Megumi Fuji, Janelle Marquez, Shayna Baszler. We're going to Hitomi Akano. Let's see. So are you – is that what you want to do when you stop fighting no no really because i was thinking that you didn't no that's what i was saying like that would be a real shame because there's not a lot of guys who uh are fighters but

have also like taken the time to really sort of intellectually break down the properties of creating a fighter. I don't want to be a coach like that. I just don't because if I'm going to be a coach, think of it more as like an old school boxing coach or maybe one of these old catch coaches where you only really – OK, someone proves to you enough that they're worth giving that kind of time and information. I don't just look at it as, oh, I'm just going to show you some move. By the way, this move came from this coach, came from that coach. Do you know how many hundreds of years of development came behind this? Do you know how difficult it was for someone, the original person down the line to get this thing to me,

the shit that they had to go through to live their life and to harness these techniques and give them to me? These things are precious. I understand that. But when I see a guy like you and I see you at 35 years of age, I mean totally respectfully and honestly, I mean what do you got? Five years left? Ten years left? If you're crazy Randy Couture style?

Until I'm done. You never know. I mean with today, with nutrition and training methods, who knows? And with skill. Today, with nutrition and training methods, who knows? And with skill. But if a guy like you got a hold of a Jon Jones-type character, you could take a motherfucker to the next level. You know what I mean?

Sure. I mean, if you really started, like, approaching young fighters. Okay, Jon Jones is an anomaly. Oh, yeah. He's a bad motherfucker. Anybody could make him good. Yes and no. Yes and without a doubt, Mike Winklejohn has done some amazing things with that kid striking. Yeah, I don't doubt it.

Without a doubt, he's brilliant. Without a doubt, John is a prodigy. John is a – he's a very intense, powerful human being. John Jones, besides his physicality, which he's obviously very gifted, his mind is very powerful. And I think he would be great. He would figure it out watching other people no matter who was coaching him. He's the kind of guy that's going to excel no matter what. But having a guy like Winkle John, who's a brilliant striking coach, really made a big difference for him.

Really made a big fucking difference. But talk about taking somebody that doesn't. Taking that middle-of-the-pack guy and developing them into a world champion? Well, you're not always going to get that. But it depends. And that's what I'm saying. Middle-of-the-pack guys, there's a lot going on there, right? There is.

And I'm not talking necessarily about who I would coach to just be like the ones that just shine. No. I would coach a person that I feel personality, integrity, character, mentality, as well as physicality, all matches what I think is worth investing the time into. So you would do that, but they would have to be like special people who came up to you up on the mountaintop when you're alone fucking chopping wood,

and then you make them paint fences and shit. Right, exactly. Wax on, wax off. Carve in some runes into their body. So you're going to do it like Rico Chaparelli style. He still works with Mac Danzig. He still works with a few people but he's not rico's the man i that's one of those guys i have a shit ton of respect for i do as well and i think rico is um off on you know he's so unknown to to so many of these guys out there that claim to be mma aficionados they just

don't they don't know their ass from a hole in the wall they really don't know and there's people out there like rico whose wrestling is fantastic whose mind to fighting is great who whose attitude is all right you know you want to get in there with this and this is what you want to do i can i can help you with that and i can show you if you're gonna fucking slack off fuck around whatever you think you know better than all right then fuck you then take off i don't need you and he smokes weed all day, bitches. Air day. Air day, bitches. And he will choke you all day. He will fuck your shit up. And I really respect Mac Danzig a lot.

I like Mac as a human being. I think he's really, he's just a solid dude. I love that guy. I know he's grumpy, but he's just because he's smart as fuck. He's always tired of dummies. He's always super cool to me. I like Mac. He's always super cool to me, too.

He just has a low tolerance for dummies. So do I. I really do. And you do. I like Mac. He's always super cool to me too. He just has a low tolerance for dummies. So do I. I really do. And you do. I can't stand fucking idiots. But Mac speaks so highly of Rico and what Rico has done to help him. As he should, yeah. But I just as a coach, there's so much investment that goes into that.

It's not something I'm – I'm not saying I won't coach and the availability is there and the possibility possibility is there but i just i got a lot of shit you know not when i'm done with fighting uh whenever that day comes which is gonna suck in its own right but uh i got other shit i can do with my life other things i'm trying to accomplish you know i mean uh model well little underwear modeling perhaps a little bit a little bit a little bit i mean we got to do a lot of, but I think we can make the most of it. I mean, prosthetics are pretty impressive nowadays. Don't go prosthetic. Just a little dick with a big smile.

Fuck it. Oh, man. Fuck it. A little chubba, a little turtler. Let it swing. Who gives a fuck? You're Josh Barnett. I still suck it.

It would be easier. Yeah, it's just so much. Yep. No. You ever watch a porn when a guy's got a little dick and this girl's like licking his ball she's already in there she's so happy about it it's like an easy it's an easy deal man it's just it's uh it's more like convenience yeah the guy with a little dick like maybe there's a benefit to that like sure enough she's deep-throating him and

you know it's not that impressive but it looks like he's having a good time and and she's like this is this is not straining or stressing me one of dudes with giant cocks feel more pleasure because there's more to pleasure? Just more skin, more nerves? Yeah, it's like more skin. Because if a girl's giving you a blowjob and she goes in deeper, it feels better than if she's shallow, right? Well, definitely some of that's mental. Come on. Seeing a chick feeling it hit the back and she keep going.

Someone's got nothing. You're like, oh, wow. Wowie, owie. It's just the idea of it alone. Someone's willing to suck on your dick. Really? I'm half-masked right now. I'm ready.

Have you had the girl where you go so far and they start puking the stomach acid all over your mouth like they do in the porn movies? You're dating the wrong girls. How many times do I have to tell you this? They've got to relax the esophagus, dude. Don't be getting these girls to throw up on your dick. That's like bile and stuff. I know, but it feels good actually

it's like a slimy awesome what if they don't uh if those girls don't they don't watch their diet and they're probably

like all anorexic and shit all kinds of like weird cat food all over it cat food the fuck are you talking

about cat food maybe I date different girls than you do he dates cats everybody does I don't hate who hates cats he dates cats oh I date cats yeah cat food. Maybe I date different girls than you do. He dates cats. Everybody does. Who hates cats? He dates cats.

Oh, I date cats? Yeah, cat food. They're so finicky. You did it again, Brian. You took it to a bad place. Where were we going with this before we got on to blowjobs and small dicks? I don't know. Terrible places. One of the things you wanted to talk about when you contacted me

about coming on the podcast is all this craziness that's going on with all these school shootings. Yeah. And not just school shootings. It was the Oregon shooting. I guess that one was in a mall. Yeah. All this shit. Yeah.

Well, the interesting thing about the mall one that's coming out now is that he was confronted by an armed civilian, and that's when he shot himself. And that's not something that's being talked about very much. Why would they, that doesn't work with the agenda at hand of why. And, you know, that's, that's part of a problem,

right? A huge problem is that we've got media that wants to just create knee jerk reactions and emotional responses. They don't care about trying to deliver a whole unbiased story. They've each got an agenda to try and put a rift in the populace in general, at large. And that's fucking irresponsible and it's terrible. I was listening to something that had come on about – it was either MSNBC or CNN. And after the horrible Sandy Hook tragedy, one of the teacher's boyfriends of a year,

they found him and started – did a full interview i'm just going why why i don't want to this is completely one it's just giving more prudent prudent uh credence to hey you want to do something crazy and be fucking famous forever here's more publicity for you it's like you didn't have anything else fucking better to do than talk to a guy oh i knew her for a year and like you were some guy some guy wasn't even crying for a year that guy wasn't even crying like you didn't even miss her it was like it was no big deal and he was on cnn maybe he really did fucking you know he was super torn up about it whatever but it doesn't fucking matter because why are you on tv why is the news finding that to be important to talk about why shouldn't we be talking about something more important like why is our culture

devolving in such a way that people are acting in such manner whether they're shooting people or fucking stabbing them or robbing them or carjacking them and taking them back to a place and raping and torturing them like what the fuck is going on why why is humanity at large doing this kind of shit and then the other thing so channel, I'm sitting here and I just hear it coming in the ears and I hear they're talking about how some Republican is – he throws out the word assault weapon like 17 times every fucking statement he's got to make. He's really trying to pound something home with his lingo. And then there's – the reporter goes on after talking about this guy who's going to – probably working towards creating bills about this shit, which will probably be back-ended with all kinds of shit that have nothing to do with it. Which they always do. Always. It's just fucking absolute tantamount lying.

It's absolute fucking lying, irresponsible, and it should be absolutely unallowed. So after that, this reporter goes on about something about people going to – makes an offhand comment about people going to gun shows and just willy-nilly buying firearms. And that just – I just couldn't fucking take it anymore. Didn't Bruno prove that that's true? Didn't he go to a gun store as a gay character? Didn't – i don't know i haven't seen the movie i mean but here's the deal i guess it wasn't in bruno it was on the show i uh and you know who knows what they're doing on shows but no the people can buy people

have sold potentially i could see in a fucking shady people are fucked up yeah yeah but people will sell guns not at gun shows they could sell sell them other ways. I mean, fuck. So here's the deal. I am a lifelong hobbyist when it comes to firearms. It was something I inherited from my dad who was a big-time hobbyist. And when I say hobbyist, I reload, meaning I make my own ammunition. I buy bullets of different weights and shapes and sizes. I buy different types of powders that have to burn at different rates. And all this shit is very exacting.

I buy brass and primers and I match all this shit up based on recipes through the ammunition manufacturers that sell this stuff through my dad's own research on certain, you know, and the thing is every firearm that you're doing this for is entirely different. You could have three 1911.45s, all the same barrel length, all the same manufacturer, but they're not all going to shoot the same. Not exactly. And one load is going to shoot different than the other. Some bullet weights, depending on barrel length and, you know, amount of rifling.

You're a gun nut. I'm a gun nut. Okay. And I grew up not only with that, but my dad inherited from people in his life the hobby of target shooting and gunsmithing and just being a nerd about guns, like I'm a nerd about cars.

But he was a hunter. When he was growing up, that's what you did he grew up in the fucking woods of of uh southwestern washington uh he was a logger from as early as he could he worked in paper mills he's been in the forest all his whole fucking life almost and so hunting fishing game all that kind of stuff and uh you know i've been out there in the woods with him since i was a kid going hunting and and catching you know getting animals cleaning them dressing them going through the whole process and i can tell you one thing fucking being a hunter and being somebody that had spent so much time in the wilderness and on the on the ocean and boats fishing and all this made me me appreciate nature a gazillion times more

than I think anybody that doesn't necessarily. I think nature is something that is overlooked, huge. And I don't think we as humans sometimes really understand the vastness and the impressiveness of Mother Earth as a general. And being out there in the mountains and seeing the animals, not even when you're hunting them, just being involved in this whole process and just knowing them and then taking an animal and going through that whole process of all the care and responsibility that comes to to do this correctly and then serve this meat to other people and when when my family

didn't have money when they're broke as fuck the the animals that my dad had caught helped feed that family that my you know they're they're all broke living in this little apartment in north seattle and you know hunting season they go out there with their tags and they'd get their their their elk or they'd get their deer they would they would catch fish they would grouse all the you know fuck that all went onto the table yeah you know and that was a big part of that, that growing up for me. And so I've had gun responsibility. I've been shooting since I was a kid and being a responsible parent is why, uh, from the get like one guns were always locked up.

They're always in safes. I don't know how to get in these fucking things. I'm not allowed access to this shit as a child or even as an 18 year old like that ain't happening like i didn't know the the combination to my dad's gun safe until i was almost 30 years old you know what i mean and other than that if there was the possibility let's say and i didn't know because this was never spoken about if there was even the potential that there was a firearm let's say for home defense that was somewhere, let's say, in my parents' room that I didn't know about,

through the fear of fucking God, I wouldn't step in there. My dad had me so afraid of fucking with his shit or anything in their room. As a responsible parent, that never happened. I knew fucking way better. And the idea, if he had ever found out if i'd ever laid hands on a gun that he wasn't around all right well you what you're describing sounds like an ideal situation to grow up and raise someone in an environment where you teach them

firearm safety and respect for firearms and appreciation for firearms absolutely the real debate is not that though the real debate is the fact that if the guns are out there it's not just you and your responsible parents that are going to have these guns. It's this crazy motherfucker in Connecticut and his nutty mother that he killed and then took her guns and shot up all those poor kids. Absolutely. That's where the real issue comes in. It's like, well, how do you stop that from happening? Exactly.

And through all this and time spent actually having firearms as a hobby, I ended up working in the industry of selling firearms and buying them through that shop, everything that was ever done, all had to go through the federal program, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the NICS. And I had to call in every fucking thing every single time. And this whole thing was in the system for a reason. And I can't say that it's perfect because I know it ain't. It's our federal government. There's no way that it's perfect. In fact, reading the information on NICS, they like to claim that since being put in in 93, there's over 100 million checks in the last decade leading to more than 700,000 denials of firearms in the hands of people that it shouldn't be. But the problem is that you look at some of this stuff and what the things that they might deny you for, sometimes there's the simple issue of I'm a concealed

weapons owner or a permit holder in Washington, which means I already had to go through fingerprinting. I had to fill out all this paperwork. I had to go through a process and get approved to get my concealed weapons permit. And that meant when I went to a gun store, even the one I worked at, if I want to purchase a handgun, which normally has a waiting period, because I'm a concealed weapons permit holder and I've already gone through all these extra checks, I fill out all the paperwork like everyone else that all gets filed with the serial number of the gun and what I'm purchasing and so on and so forth. And I still go through the next check just like everybody else. And I still go through the NICS checklist like everybody else. But because there was somebody in California who had a similar name to mine, every time I would call in with my social security number, with my weapons license number, like all this different information and data, for at least three years, I was always put on a hold with every firearm I bought. And even if that included a rifle, which is normally a same day thing after Knicks, all every single time, because they would always see that there's some stuff and they would always,

and the thing about it is the fact that there's a hold put on that could last anywhere from, you know, three hours, they might call back or, you know, three days. It wasn't having a hold that was,

that ever bothered me whatsoever. It's like, okay, whatever. It's just, okay, whatever. It's just that there isn't – like why isn't this not being updated? Like you're being given very specific information about me as a person. So I want my – if I'm going to have this database, it's going to be you to try and be responsible about having firearms not in the hands of people that it shouldn't be. Why are you not updating this enough to know that i'm not that fucking guy and eventually three years two or three years later down the road it came about and now that's not the case anymore

for me as far as i know i haven't bought a purchase a firearm in a long time but uh and then when it came to going to gun shows which i've been a member i've been going to gun shows since i was a kid because my dad would go there and my uncle. And then especially when I worked for the gun shop, I would go there and help out at shows, maybe if we had a table, different stuff. You go to a gun show, and even as a concealed weapons license holder, I mean anybody that comes to the gun show, you pay your admission, boom, you can come in. If you want to purchase a firearm, and this goes for the Washington Arms Collector Association who runs all the gun shows in Washington,

you have to go and do another line and fill out and have all your paperwork read. Is that the same in every state? I'm not sure. Now, I cannot speak for every state, but I know that me growing up as I'm working and being a part of the Washington Arms Collector Association and all that and going to their gun shows, you have to go get NICS checked. Well, that's all well and good, man. But how do you stop? I mean this kid who did this in Connecticut, I mean he violated a bunch of fucking felonies just leaving the house. He started off by murdering his mom. Yeah.

That's already fucked up. That's not good. No, it's not good. And why does a guy murder their parents in the first place? That's the problem and and the thing is is that you know he he went and he chose to use the tool of firearms to go off and do whatever it is that he decided to and i still can't figure out why the fuck in the first place did he go to a school and shoot children of all things like i don't understand that that rationale like what did it accomplish what was his statement what was he

trying to prove i don't know there's not to mention there's even stuff floating about on the internet where the dads of not only this uh the sandy hook killer and the killer from the batman movie uh shooting both somehow have something to do with uh banking and financial stuff i think that's actually been disproven well no they're not actually going to go to the libor uh scandal as as they were they're trying to say they're both going to be at the libor hearing but they're not but yet the batman shooter's dad is apparently some uh statistical analysis whatever kind of guy but what he does he creates these algorithms

that are used in banking to decipher all this shit and figure all this shit out. And what it is is that the shit that he creates, these algorithms, these mathematical things are the same things that you use to figure out that LIBOR is being – that the LIBOR scandal shit, all the lying that's been done, the rates being – so he's involved maybe even just in a cursory way in terms of figuring out the people that are cheating you at the banks. And then the other guy, the dad of the sandy hook killer he's apparently works at some financial institution of some sort and his division has three people underneath them that are being indicted for having being a part of this libor shit and using the the falsified uh uh ratings

to to how many people are involved in the Libor scandal I mean isn't it possible it's just coincidence it could be and I'm not sitting there saying that this all is necessarily related and I'm sure that there's fucked up parenting that you've got kids that are being medicated to death and who knows what he's taking because apparently

he was mentally ill and there are drugs out there that they will give our kids and they will give people and have them walk the streets that some of the side effects are suicidal thoughts, homicidal acts. I mean, it's just ridiculous. You're jamming all this medication down a human being and you expect them to function within our society like anybody else. Well, the real issue, the actual numbers,

the Citizens Commissions on Human Rights, the CCHR, has said that out of the last 14 recent school shootings, all of them were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs, resulting in 109 wounded, 58 killed. There was also at least 22 international drug regulatory warnings that have been issued on psychiatric drugs causing side effects of mania, psychosis, aggression, hostility, violence, even homicidal. I think a big part of it is that it's not everybody. And this is important for a lot of people that are on that shit, that it does them good, it helps them.

But there's a lot of people that can't drink also. There's a lot of people that drink and they're gone. See, boom, you see the switch go off and they become an alcoholic everybody's got a sort of different setup and for some people these things are not good and um when when you're talking about those numbers and you could i've seen people argue it it's really fascinating the people that are like really opposed to anything that might be fuckery. There's a lot of people like, oh, there's no cause. Which you're just saying you're talking about people are fucked up.

Of course people are fucked up or on drugs. It doesn't mean the drugs are causing them. You don't know that. No, of course not. But it's a weird thing. You're fucking with the chemical composition of your brain. But there's this sort of pro-science stance that a lot of people want to take that are people that think that there's a lot of people wearing tinfoil hats and looking for conspiracies and looking for nonsense and everything. But, man, they're like the same type of people that want to downplay the possibility that any sort of vaccinations have been damaging to children.

Right. That's another weird one that people don't want to address. It is weird. I think the strongest argument for all of that is even potential. And I'm not talking that I wear tinfoil hats or anything like that. But something I touched on earlier, throughout mankind, we fucking lie. We lie and we cheat our populace constantly over and over and over. We do it with religion. We do it with our politics. They constantly – you have companies that go and they deliberately destroy the environment with their chemicals and their shit.

And they know they're doing it and they know that it's destroying shit and they just know that they can get away with it and they just lie. And then all of a sudden, boom, somebody comes out of the woodwork and makes them accountable for it and then they backtrack and they tell a whole bunch more lies they feed them a couple of scapegoats and then they keep on doing the same bullshit and they never have to pay the price for it we have all these politicians that go out there and they try to feed us all these lines about how they're you know they're this they're part of that side and this other side is wrong and vice versa and split us as a populace. And then they go and they claim all these great things they're going to do. They do nice, tricky, wonderful shit like, hey, I'm just about to get reelected.

So now, yeah, gay marriage, great. I totally support it. Why didn't you say it four years ago, you piece of shit? Yeah, you piece of shit. You want to hear something crazy? Who cares? Hear something crazy. More than one in ten in the United States take antidepressants.

Should they be? How about, you know? That's a good question. I'll tell you something. I remember having. What is that number? How many is that? One in ten?

That's. 300 million people. So what is that? 30 million? Three million, I think. No. 30 million. Yeah.

300. Yeah. 30 million. That's insane. It's nuts. It's nuts. 30 million people out there walking the street. Oh, my God. Fucking Prozac, 30 million. That's insane. It's nuts. 30 million people out there walking the street all fucking Prozac, Xanax to whatever up. And I remember going through a really fucking bad breakup not that long ago and just fucking dying and having anxiety for the first time in my life. I've never had that shit.

I've had a lot of shit go down in my life, but I've never had this fucked up anxiety. And I'm not sleeping. And I'm having a hard time getting go down in my life, but I've never had this fucked up anxiety. I'm not sleeping. I'm having a hard time getting full deep breaths, all this shit. Did you try strip clubs? Yeah, I definitely did strip clubs. Did that help? It helped some. A little bit.

A little bit. A little bit. It's like a little bridge. A little bridge to happiness. But the thing was is that I knew that I could probably hit up somebody and get a pill, take all that shit away. And to me, I thought, that's a fucking coward's way out that's not the way you do it because going through this shit it means something it's something that i need to do to to be a stronger better more well adjusted man like i need to go through this and deal with it because dealing with it is how you

make yourself better in the future so you know you go through a cold instead of getting the flu instead of getting vaccinated. So now your body knows how to adapt to it. So you go through depression and figure out how to solve it and not get depressed again. And I'm not saying that there aren't people out there whose chemical balances, for whatever reason, have gotten all twisted up and they really do need help. That's the real issue, isn't it? But for me, I could tell that wasn't the case. I was just fucking heartbroken.

That's what it was and it was gnarly. Once in your life you find her. Poor Josh Barnett. You're a sweetie on the inside even though you're a killer. You're never going to find her again, by the way. No, not at all. The idea is that it's not either or, I think. What is that?

Yeah, he's cute and very funny, but I don't think we could ever be together. I just can't get over the fact that he likes guns. It's creepy and a little scary. Somebody as smart as him shouldn't need a gun to feel like a man. Be a man. Lose the gun. Just to get to shoot loads in her. Oh, man.

Just blast her. I'll hide my guns in a hole in the backyard and pretend not to have them. That kind of propaganda is fucked up. It's like – you know what? It's cute. I own quite a few firearms and most of it for the collection of it. Like I'm a nerd. And that's – the people that inhabit all those evil gun shows, fat, balding, social, awkward, they're just nerds.

It's just nerds, nerds, nerds. The people that buy all the assault weapons that everyone wants to go on about, all these crazy assault weapons, all these crazy capabilities. Gun nerds. Nerds. That's it.

That's who buys these fucking things. Those are the only people that can afford them or have the interest to have them. Well, that's not true because there's always crazy people. Such a huge, huge. The small amount of crazy people that get them. There is a small amount.

That's what people really don't understand when it comes to the numbers of guns. It's like there's like Pierce Morgan. I thought he was going on this crazy rant about how America has this love affair with guns and look where it's got us and look. It's so dangerous. It's not our guns that's doing it. Yeah. People – first of all, you got to think about how many people are not doing it, OK?

Because there's so many armed motherfuckers in this country. It's amazing. It's one of the things like – I don't walk around pulling guns on people. When you get on the highway and you see a traffic accident, it's amazing how few you find. There are goddamn millions of cars flying, going 60, 70 miles an hour all around each other all the time. They aren't hitting each other. And they aren't hitting each other.

I mean what we have to realize is that when you're dealing with a society a complex society like what we have now massively complex incredible numbers the number of people is absolutely staggering you know i read something recently like america itself is like the only example of so many cultures and races mixing in the way that it does yeah like you go to europe and it's like for the most part almost all countries are pretty much homogeneous right with a few exceptions of you know expats and people from but in general like in america we said you know what no everybody of any kind of any religion of any faith of any creative any color bring them all together and to take all these different cultures some quite different you know when you let's say from a root culture to

you know before becoming an american let's say early stages of american how even vast irish could be from italian uh-huh and how they're brought up and their upbringings i mean fuck i mean there's so many different and yet we managed to put together this country that has survived you know however many hundred so years as it has and has done some pretty amazing things. Yeah. Without us trying to all murder each other all the time. I think there's some issues that definitely have to be addressed.

One of them is this antidepressant thing. And I'm not saying that people should not be on it because I know people that have been on it and it's helped them and changed their life and saved their life even. Sure. But maybe you shouldn't have a fucking gun when you're on it because it seems like a lot of people that are on these things and take guns, things happen. That's one of my problems is that that's not listed as one of the things about NICs but probably because of that and under the guise of the whole patient confidentiality. You cannot have a gun if you're under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year, all these different things, illegal, alien, educated. Now, here's the one that's even similar to being on antidepressants and all this is who has been educated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.

OK, that's where they draw the line. So as long as they don't commit you. Right. And so by – under the – probably the laws of medical confidence, therefore it's like, oh, we can't just tell people, oh, this guy is all jacked up on like four different antidepressants. We can't just say, oh, well, you can't have a firearm based on that alone where I think, yeah, actually we probably should. Because really, to be honest, my whole thing is I wish that there was a way we had a licensing system to get your firearm just like you have to get a car. Like you have to prove your – you have to take – Competency. Like tests. You have to prove competence.

You have to prove understanding of the mechanics of the firearm itself, how it operates, how to take it apart, how to understand taking care of it, how to operate it. I agree 100%. How to do these things safely. And then once you've passed such a certain amount of testing, then you can be given a card and then you can go out there and buy a firearm. I really think that people are not – but I also believe that we as a populace are so irresponsible even more so with our motor vehicles that it's not even funny. How easy it is to get behind the wheel of a 4,000-pound car and go out there and kill each other is ridiculous. And it's way too easily available to anyone. And people love just creating the hot-button topics.

And it's easy to get people fired up about something as guns. You don't need those. But we need cars. Great. Well, I've seen people say, you know, if you want to fucking get another – you like to go hunting, get another fucking hobby. I've actually seen people write that down. That's the answer. I've seen people say, oh, I wish that the animals were armed too.

What you were saying all about licensing and everything, that's all well and good. But here's the problem. That kid, it was not his fucking guns. No, he murdered his mom. It's illegal use of the guns, which is also the case with the kids in Columbine. Right. I mean, illegal, you know. Right.

They murdered somebody and stole them. Yes. So you're always going to have that problem if those guns exist. Well, and also potentially if, let's say, that mother had gone through all that training and in doing so locked her guns up. Well, you know, now you're going really far. You're trying to make someone a responsible parent well of course right but i'm saying is that when when people are forced to do something through responsible means to actually acquire the and prove themselves capable of owning

the opportunity to be responsible like that and and trust me you know me talking about having government which i already think is incredibly irresponsible and does things for its own reasons create more licensing. I mean, there's always a concern like, okay, well then they just decide that nobody can ever pass and therefore no one can ever have a gun. There's some regulatory bodies that do their job out of passion.

For instance, Fish and Game. Fish and Game does a pretty fucking good job, considering it's spent, the money is all from hunting tags, and that's what pays for conservation efforts. A lot of people don't understand that. Fish and game does a very good job of managing the wildlife in this country. It's one of the most efficient.

How the hunting tags are even relegated out there to the populace is because they've studied the herds and all these different animals and how they've been getting getting sick or how healthy they are how many infants they've had and all this and they calculate how many tags they can allow to give out and then there's even for does okay well you have to go into a lottery to get a doe tag to go ahead and be able to hunt a doe and so that's kind of that that whole figure has come up by by being on top of what's going on with the animals yeah it's knowledge it's based on people who animals. Yeah, it's knowledge. It's based on people who are actually concerned about the environment. No one's getting rich off of that. It's all passionate hunters and they want to conserve the environment.

Hunters love the environment. Some of the most environmentally responsible and important organizations in the world are full of basically hunters. And there's a problem that people don't understand when you advocate against hunting is that, well, if you are not the top of the food chain, then you better bring somebody in who's going to do the dirty work. Because if you don't, you're going to have all these prey animals that are going to be running rampant all over the place.

You have to do something because there's not enough food. And the idea that if you don't kill them, they're just going to be okay and peaceful and live with us, you're crazy. They're going to slam into cars, they're going to die of starvation, and you're going to be okay and peaceful and live with us? You're crazy. They're going to slam into cars. They're going to die of starvation. And you're going to have a predator population increase.

There's a responsibility as human beings on this planet and our involvement in this planet's ecosystem that we have to work on managing it. And that's the thing. But I think that it should be more difficult to get a car. I really do. I agree. I mean it's like look. I agree. We think of it as a right.

76,000 people were involved in fatal crashes. Now they didn't die but that's 76,000 fucking people that how many of those could have been solved by not having irresponsible bullshit. Just it should be a lot more difficult to get behind the wheel and I want that kind of responsibility. I would love to see that for someone to own a firearm. I want that kind of responsibility. I would love to see that for someone to own a firearm. And then even besides that, let's say you take all the guns away. If we have people that are doped up or fucking crazy or whatever and they're going out.

Let's say the Batman guy just walked into the theater with an axe and he fucking nailed three people. Three people died for no fucking good reason. Right, but the idea is it's not 33 because he doesn't have guns. He's not reloading. He's not wearing armor. And I'm not going to give any examples because I'm not that asshole like a lot of the media will where they'll sit there and say, well, hey, guess what? This is how you made XYZ or how you do this and give the fucking information out there to people so they can go out. Some other wacko can do it. But look, I could sit here with you in private and tell you at least three different ways I probably could have killed everybody in that theater.

Yeah. No. There's ways to be more strategic about it. And the thing is, why? We got to solve the problem of our populace murdering the rest of us. Okay, but you oppose. And it's a total rare thing as it is. Like if you added up all the people out of how many we have in America

versus how many are coming under. School shooters. It's still, I mean, in a pure statistics game, we're not, it's not like, it's still a fucking super rare thing. I'm sure there's a statistics person that can tell you the likelihood of you actually being involved in a shooting at all and anywhere in America. I'm sure it's probably in economics. But let's get down to the nitty-gritty because we've only got a couple minutes left before we turn into a pumpkin. Three hours, we're useless. What is the solution then? I i mean is it arming schools is it arming no definitely not i don't think it's an armed guard in front of all that kind

of shit from happening well i had a we had an armed guard at our school like i think i think there's at this point in uh i don't think there's anything wrong with an arm no but we had armed uh an arm just a police officer yeah we had an officer on our school and i had a pretty gnarly school we didn't have shooting well no i guess we did have a shooting girl got shot in the face seven times by some little asian gangster kid whoa but and then we did yeah a girl got shot right but you know and that was fucking super tragic and uh you know but the key to all that also is that she was hanging around all these bad fucking dudes and these bad dudes were doing bad shit. It's not like they came down just to shoot anybody.

You know what I mean? I don't think they... They didn't even come to shoot her specifically. It's just like... Why do these kids want to live this lifestyle where they're running around shooting each other anyways? It's just fucked up. Lack of parents. Lack of reason to live. Right.

Lack of education. Whatever. Shitty reason. Then it ends up in this girl getting shot and it's dumb so pointless but yeah we had a solution if you that nra rhetoric about putting guards and and i in front of all these fucking schools like that doesn't change the problem what if we took all the guards that are working for the dea and we have them guard the schools we kill two birds or if we just put one of them in every school, and maybe these people could not only just be in the school standing around with a gun, but maybe they could also be an influence on people as far as just being like, hey, guess what? I'm here to defend you, but I'm doing it as an upright fucking citizen, and this is why it's important.

Well, that would be like a volunteer sort of a militia type thing. Is that what you mean? Well, something like that. The government doesn't like that shit. Well, but even if it was volunteer sort of a militia type thing. Is that what you mean? Well, something like that. Well, it doesn't like that shit. Well, but even if it was regulated, I'm cool with that. I'm just saying that, you know, do one further. My point where I'm getting to with this is that it's not just the having an armed guard. Here's the thing that helps change this from people just blindly shooting each other and whatever.

Community. We don't have any fucking community anymore. No one's responsible. And when I say responsible, they're not just just responding you know what just responsible for yourself in a community you keep an eye out hey you got some crazy fucking psycho kid keep an eye on him let other people know like hey by the way tommy's acting really fucking weird right now and we need to be aware of that so that he you know no everybody just work everybody just wants to live in mom's house nowadays that's that's my example example. They want a big hand to come over and wash all their laundry, do everything,

and they don't want to see or be a part of the process that made all that happen anymore. I think that in a random or sort of a big, broad way, community is definitely the answer. I think that what's going on now, what we were talking about with Internet trolls and people getting exposed and realizing that anonymity is slowly slipping away, I think ultimately that's going to lead to a bigger sense of community because we're going to have repercussions for our actions and thoughts and we're going to have access to each other in a way that I don't think we've ever had before. I'm hoping that this is a stage of humanity.

I think we are really involved in some sort of a metamorphosis, a growing and developing because of this technology and because of this sort of connection that people share with people. A massive change in how you live in society. Yeah, and I don't want to overstate it, but that's the feeling that I get from people that benefit from this show on the internet. That's the things that people benefit from reading things and being exposed to things and lectures and ted talks and shit that they really wouldn't have had access we need to participate more you know it's one thing to listen it's another thing to to listen to a show and then stay in your own fucking bubble and never participate in the rest of your community you need to be a part of your community you need to be to know your fellow man you need to know your fucking neighbor you need to you know you need if you the more you're a part of this now

all of a sudden you're not just some random drone that nobody knows or ever. No, now you're a human being that interacts with other human beings, and now you're forming this greater and stronger bond that's going to look out for each other. Yeah, we have to sort of somehow or another feel a need for that, and as a society, figure out how to engineer that sense of community again. And I've been trying to get all my friends to move on the same block but none of these motherfuckers are willing to move

out to my neighborhood we're gonna have to buy a patch of land and do it cult style yeah but i really think that that you know wouldn't it be the best way to live is to like have most of your friends like in your neighborhood instead of being in some neighborhood full of strangers which is how most of us live or even if we're in a neighborhood full of strangers, which is how most of us live. Or even if we're in a neighborhood full of strangers, why don't we make the time to make them not strangers? Because they're cunts. This fucking asshole with his shitty music and his fucking wife and her cunty dog. Get out of my driveway, fuckface.

I just moved into a new place. And at some point, once I get it all put together, I want to hold an open house in my own little area and invite all my neighbors to come by and fucking say hello. They're going to know where all your shit is. They're going to steal your king of pancakes belt. Yeah, they're coming to steal all my shit. Yeah, king of pancakes belt. They're going to go out there and fucking wander up and down the streets. Look at me.

You got some good ideas, Josh Barnett. What you need to do is be a fucking leader. You need to go out there and start the Josh Barnett school for how to be a fucking man. Right. Be the ripple in the water. Be the drop in the water that starts the ripples, man. That's the best thing anybody can do, and it starts small, but it gets bigger, and it really does. Well, it starts by example.

It starts by what you're doing just by being you, just by having character, being a fucking man. It starts small and gets big like a Katamari. I just found out that you were in my favorite video game, Beautiful Katamari. Yes, I'm the wrestler. You can roll me up. How did you get connected? This is your second Katamari game too. I don't know you

know they just fucking they somebody dug me that was into the game and they put me in it and not to mention there's a there's a game called no more heroes it was on the wheat and i think you can buy it on the ps3 now even and the main character looks like uh johnny oxville but everything about the dude is based on me oh that's hilarious and uh about the idea of this guy going out there and fighting because finding some dead assassin on accident and grabbing his weapon now he becomes part of the assassins guild and so the thing is he's now number 10 so he just starts fucking fighting them all and killing them just to get to number one and how do they play this game what is it oh this is where you roll up all the junk and uh you make this big giant ball of

yeah and you're one of the characters i'm one of the characters you can you can roll up all the junk and you make this big giant ball of crud. And you're one of the characters. I'm one of the characters. You can roll up into this big ball of fucking bullshit. It's my favorite game of all time, too. It's weird that you're in it. I'm glad that you're so simply amused. He's amused way simpler than that. That's one of the more complex aspects of his life.

Powerful Josh Barnett. Thank you very much for joining us, brother. Always a pleasure. Anytime you ever want to come on again I don't think we really got to the bottom of this because I don't think you can but I think your insight especially as an intelligent guy and you're allowed

to fucking enjoy fighting and guns and allowed to enjoy all these things and you're not a bad guy you're not a fucking blight on society you're not a criminal you're not doing anything wrong and I think that needs to be represented as well because in you don't throw out the baby with the bath water all right ladies and gentlemen freedom ain't free okay it's not saying enough cliches it's it's the guns aren't the problem it's just part of the problem it's us people are the problem

right sure enough god bless you whatever that means jihad Jihad. All right. Allah. Assalamu alaikum. What else can I say that's nice? Josh L. Barnett. Josh. Yes. Praise Odin, ladies and gentlemen. Praise Odin.

Josh L. Barnett on Twitter. That's B-A-R-N-E. Two Ts. No E. Fuck. There's an E. Well, yeah, but not at the end. People are constantly Barnetti.

I'm like, no, fuck. Get rid of that shit. God. Could you imagine? What is that? Barnetti? That's too many no, fuck. Get rid of that shit. God, could you imagine? What is that? Barnetti? That's too many letters. I don't know.

A fucking manly man like you, you don't need that many letters. You're the toughest Josh I know. How about that? I don't know any Joshes tougher than you. You might be the toughest Josh on the planet Earth. Toughest Joshua out there, huh? I think you might be the toughest. I think it's really safe to say we just did a podcast with the toughest Joshua on the planet Earth. Yep.

I can't think of another person. Can I get that on a belt buckle? Yeah. That's my Earth. Yep. I can't think of another person. Can I get that on a belt buckle? Yeah. That's my tree. I don't know what the fuck that meant. A YouTube reference. A YouTube reference?

I'm over 9,000. How about Joshua Tree? You too? Joshua Tree? Oh. Oh, my God. You obscure fucking weirdo. Bad. Go to the doctor.

Please go to the doctor. I didn't either. My special is available on JoeRogan.net. Five bucks You dirty fuck I watched it last night Great great great I love how great

It was filmed Like the HD Is fucking hardcore good Yeah we used The same guy's Positive image Are you talking about The one that I was at

Yeah you were there That was fucking awesome That was hilarious as shit You referenced In the special I bring your name up I ought to fucking murder Brock Lesnar

Are you kidding me I wanted to get out In the middle of the audience But I'll fucking your name up. I'd murder Brock Lesnar. Are you kidding me? I wanted to get out in the middle of the audience but I'll fucking kill that guy. Don't you fucking talk. No, I'll fucking rape him. I was doing a Brock Lesnar rape joke and I just brought in Josh Barnett

just because he was there. He's in the audience. It's called audience participation. Yeah, yeah. It's called ad-libbing, ladies and gentlemen. I add flavor to the stew based on the circumstances.

Sure enough. But it's available at joerogan.net. It's five bucks. Please get it. It's fucking hilarious. I was in stitches. I was dying the circumstances. Sure enough. But it's available at JoeRogan.net. It's five bucks. Please get it. It's fucking hilarious. I was in stitches. I was dying the whole time.

Thank you, brother. That's not a lie, man. Thank you very much. Everything about it was hilarious. I do what I can. I tried my best, ladies and gentlemen. I truly do. Dude, you have so many death metal kids that love you.

You know that? Death metal? Fuck. Good. I'm happy. People in the bands. This dude, Johnny Davey from Job for a Cowboy, he fucking heard me on this thing. He came up to me at the show. I was like like dude i just heard you on a on the podcast like huh

rogan's deal i'm like fuck you're oh you listen to that and my boy rob dukes from exodus huge fan of yours fuck he wants to even come on the show powerful death metal we'll have to make it happen and uh you will check out josh barnett in the last you must because it will be history that will be the very last fight in the history of the Strikeforce organization. It is over after that. What is it, January 1? January 12, Oklahoma City, live on Showtime. Chesapeake Energy Arena in Oklahoma City,

and he will fight Nandor Guillermo. Guillemino. Guillemino. I think it's a type of horse. This is how you spell it. G-U-E-L-M-I-N-O Is that it? Yes

Is that more vowels? No, that's it Then it would make him Samoan Thanks for coming on, it was a very enjoyable conversation And you got a lot of interesting points About a lot of good shit, man And it's good to have a dude like you out there, man Represent smart people who also beat the fuck out of you.

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Here's the deal. Cain doesn't get his takedown game going with his distance on his striking early on. And Junior's dictating pace and distance on stopping the takedown. It's going his way. Bombs away. Bombs away. He's going to take him out. I don't think he's going to one-punch him again because he's not normally a one-punch knockout guy, as you've seen.

But his accuracy is very high, and he'll pick Kane apart. If Kane can get his takedown game, his timing on fighting Junior to initiate and score the takedown early on, if he can get it going and be successful with it, he can win that fight. That's a big – no one's ever been able to do that. That's the amazing thing about Dos Santos. He's like a fucking cat. Well, people are always so afraid of fighting him on the feet, and's the problem it's just like we talked about with croco you know fielder wasn't going to take him down if he wasn't getting in his face and slugging him out

and you know junior's got great feet which is tough but uh cane can do it cane has enough if he if he's smart enough and and if he can get the right mindset uh he can put he put junior on his back and once it starts it it starts, it can continue. You can keep doing it. Right. You get that timing down, and all of a sudden you pick up on that shoulder movement before that jab comes, and you fake out, you overhand right, and you go right into the takedown, or you pull him forward with some strikes,

and then he thinks it's an exchange, and boom, you get him on his back. I think another interesting aspect could be if Kane could take him into the fourth and fifth round because Kane's known for his legendary cardio. He ain't going to – he's still not going to be successful unless he gets that takedown, that timing down. If he doesn't get that timing down, no, it won't even matter. Powerful words from Josh Barnett, ladies and gentlemen. That will be the UFC this weekend, the 29th of December, which will be going on in MGM, you fucks. Kane Velasquez versus Junior Dos Santos.

Dos. And it'll be happening live on pay-per-view. All right. We will be back on Wednesday or something. Merry Christmas. Merry fucking Christmas. Happy Hanukkah and whatever goofy shit you follow. Mazel Tov.

We love you. And we're glad the world didn't end. Oh, thanks for coming out to the End of the World show. It was fucking fantastic. Probably one of the greatest nights of my life. Thanks to Honey Honey, Joe Diaz, Doug Stanhope. It was an epic evening. And we're just getting started, bitches. We'll see you soon. Thank you.