The Joe Rogan Experience - #307 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: January 4, 2013

Bryan Callen is an actor, stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcasts: The Bryan Callen Show and The 10-Minute Podcast, with co-hosts Will Sasso and Chris D'Elia. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! So, Brian Callen and I are ready to take it to the next level on the 14th, Steve Rinella returns to the podcast and we'll be discussing future hunting dates. Yes! We're gonna do it again.
Starting point is 00:00:21 I'm excited. Dude, we could have a show. We could have a show, just, you know, like, it would be the best show on those stupid networks. You and I hunting a couple times a year. And cut it up into a bunch of different episodes. Count me in. Because think about how much funny shit would happen.
Starting point is 00:00:37 There would be a lot of people angry at us for what we're doing, though. A lot of people would be like, you're hunting innocent. Nobody has ever mixed comedy and hunting, so they should all come out. No one's ever mixed cage fighting and comedy either. That's true. But apparently that works. Yeah. Yeah. This works too.
Starting point is 00:00:51 I'm excited. So where are we going hunting? Most likely Alaska. Really? Yeah. But are we going to hunt hog there? No. If we do it between now and August, we'll be going to Alaska.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Okay, but are we going to have money? Well, rather, we could go and hunt bears, which I didn't want to do for a while until I started watching all these Alaska shows. Yeah, I don't want to going to Alaska. Okay, but I've got to have money. Well, rather, we could go and hunt bears, which I didn't want to do for a while until I started watching all these Alaska shows. Yeah, I don't want to hunt bears. I had a misconception about bears. First of all, I had a misconception about whether or not they're delicious. And apparently, black bears, they taste really good.
Starting point is 00:01:17 Yeah. And people love them. Well, according to his book, depending on what they've been eating, they're eating blueberries. It tastes literally like blueberries. Yeah, so you want to go where the blueberries are, and you shoot them in the spring, and apparently they're delicious.
Starting point is 00:01:28 Yeah. I just was not into, I'm definitely still not into shooting anything that I'm not going to eat. Yeah, I don't want to kill a bear, though. I like bears. Why do you like bears? I don't know. I just like them.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Bears can suck my dick. I don't like bears at all. Why? Because they're assholes. Bears don't give a fuck about you. Bears are assholes. Bears have blank eyes, and they would eat your face if you stood still. Bears are.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Oh, yeah. Bears don't even kill you. Do you know what bears do? They just start eating. Yeah. They just start eating. Just don't be in their territory. That's a tricky thing with omnivores.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Like chimps, same thing. They just start eating. Well, chimps, I talked to the guy at San Diego Zoo. And he said, I said, you don't have any chimps He goes nah Just bonobos I said well Wait a minute
Starting point is 00:02:08 They have bonobos in captivity Where? In bonobos I think in Yeah they do In San Diego Zoo Really? Yeah
Starting point is 00:02:16 That's interesting You sure they're bonobos? Yeah For some reason I thought that no one Has bonobos in captivity Bonobos are amazing They're
Starting point is 00:02:23 They're matriarchal Yeah but they fuck so much That's why I thought That no one has them He said has bonobos in captivity. Bonobos are amazing. They're matriarchal. Yeah, but they fuck so much. That's why I thought that no one has them. He said that bonobos are really sexual. He said chimpanzees solve everything with violence. He said that the first thing you'll see with chimps is they'll have scarred up wrists because the minute they get in a fight,
Starting point is 00:02:37 they cover their genitals because they go for each other's balls so you can't breathe. He said that's why they go for the face and the genitals and your hands. They want to scar you up. They want to finish you. Yeah, this is one of the, I guess the San Diego Zoo is one of the first zoos to have them.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Yep, I went and saw it. They're quite possibly the most intelligent primates on Earth other than humans. And they have bonobos. Well, you're going to watch a fuck show if you watch them. Because if you go there, all they do is fuck. Yeah, well, it's a female-dominated society, you know? Yeah, it's a matriarchal society, but it's also completely orgiastic. Like, everybody fucks everybody except the mother doesn't fuck the son.
Starting point is 00:03:16 That's the only thing. That's the only line they draw. That sucks. Yeah, if your mom's hot, you're out of luck. But I guess you can just fuck everybody else. The good news is you can fuck your dad. Okay. Good news, everybody.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Good news, everybody. Can you imagine Father's Day, how horrible that would be? Bears are beautiful to look at and everything, and don't get me wrong. I mean, I think they're beautiful, but bears are ruthless, heartless, emotionless monsters. That's what they are. All animals are on that for that matter, right? For the most part, they're not attacking you. So our opinion of them is based on that.
Starting point is 00:03:49 But the reality is they can attack you. And when they attack you, they might as well be a fucking werewolf. It might as well be some monster from a movie that doesn't exist because it's just as terrifying. Well, since you said that we were going to go hunting in Alaska in August, I think like 20% of my brain every single day, and that's a large percentage, is constantly
Starting point is 00:04:11 occupied with the hybrid possibilities of a polar bear slash grizzly bear, thank you, global warming, coming into our camp. Because remember, polar bear will stalk and hunt you, you're meat. And so I'll be sleeping in your tent, hunt you your meat and so i'll be sleeping in your tent just so you know and i'll be i'll be sleeping with a handgun polar bears are the only bears that are completely carnivorous there's no vegetable matter where they live there's no fruits there's no anything and they don't so their bodies are not designed to process that yeah and they're also the only mammal that hunts people actively automatically right from birth they see people and they're like i'll eat that whatever's moving they're like i'll eat that well they they were they had this
Starting point is 00:04:49 they had this baby polar bear it was small like and it became like you know it's probably three months five months whatever they couldn't put that into a cage with the other polar bears not in a million years they would eat it they would eat it right away right away they're cannibals yeah they live in the most ferocious environment. Grizzlies are cannibals too. Grizzlies kill their pups all the time when shit goes bad, when they run out of food. Oh, really? Yeah, they kill their cubs. Wow.
Starting point is 00:05:11 And they eat them. Yeah. That's hard. They eat their own babies. They can suck it, okay? I'll shoot them right in their stinky heart. Not me. I like bears.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Uh-uh. No, no, no, no, no. You say that, but if a bear was trying to kill you. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, you would realize. Yeah, well, You say that, but if a bear was trying to kill you. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, you would realize. Yeah, well, I'll have my guns at the ready. Team people, bitch. Okay, I'm not saying you should go out and shoot grizzlies.
Starting point is 00:05:31 I don't want to shoot grizzlies because apparently grizzlies you can't eat. They don't taste good. I guess it's because they're such predators. Yeah. Which is weird because mountain lions are 100% carnivorous and you can eat them and apparently they're quite tasty. Actually, according to Steve Rinella's book, you've got to cook them for a long time. Mountain lion?
Starting point is 00:05:49 Yeah, it's a real crapshoot. A lot of times they're not tasty. Oh, really? If you eat, and sometimes people, and eating a grizzly, or if they've been eating fish, it's going to taste like fish. It's going to be like... Yeah, but I like fish.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Well, yeah, but apparently it's not a good-tasting fish. It's like gummy fish. The other thing about bear that he talks about in his book is you have to cook it really, really well because you'll get trichinosis and other things because they eat rotting meat. They come across deer, caribou. Sure. Yeah, same with hogs. Which is actually one of the reasons you don't eat carnivores.
Starting point is 00:06:20 They always say that you're not supposed to eat carnivores because of that. They carry parasites. Isn't that odd? Because you eat fish. Yeah. And fish are 100% carnivores. Yeah always say that you're not supposed to eat carnivores because of that. They carry parasites. Isn't that odd? Because you eat fish. And fish are 100% carnivores. That's the exception. I guess a few of them eat vegetables. Those little pussies. It's the exception.
Starting point is 00:06:33 It's interesting, isn't it? Think about lobster. Lobster, they eat nothing but rotten meat at the bottom of the ocean, and they're delicious. They're the best tasting thing ever. Well, a lobster and I think shrimp are related to lice and other insects. They're related to roaches. When I read that, I was like, oh, fuck. We found out they were related to roaches on
Starting point is 00:06:50 Fear Factor when a guy had an allergic reaction. He was eating roaches. He was allergic to shellfish. Whoa. Yeah, same thing. Same enzymes, apparently. Yeah. Well, you look at it, I mean, it's real fucking similar. You know, a crab is like a thick shelled bug. Yeah, exactly what it is. I mean, it's the same fucking thing.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Same as a spider. Delicious. Apparently spiders taste good. Really? Like big, fat tarantulas, very crab-like. Really? Yeah, yeah. If you cook them right.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Yeah, but what about all the spines? I don't know. I guess you burn them off. I guess you burn them off, yeah. Singe those fuckers off. Yeah, because on tarantulas, they have those little weird microscopic little fibers that dig into your skin.
Starting point is 00:07:24 One of the things I took from that trip, being out there in the middle of the battle, is how fucked you would be if you had to go hunt. First of all, if you were by yourself because you'd freeze to death. I don't give a shit what anybody says. Secondly, if you had to go hunt your own food, you'd be out there cold
Starting point is 00:07:40 and hungry as shit without a prayer. It's hard, man. It's hard. I mean, what we were at was, at one point in time, an ocean. And it was, like, really... Clay. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of, like, vegetable matter.
Starting point is 00:07:57 So it was really weird. The way you were walking around, like, these gigantic empty hills all over the place. And you'd get to the top of one and it gets really freaky when you get to the top of them and then you look out at how big this area where there's no people is i mean it's unbelievably vast fuck yeah and you can fall and you can fall and by the way there are cactuses everywhere so just just at the very minimal you're going to be dealing with a pain in the ass. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:26 It's so harsh. And that's why when Brian and I were there, Steve Rinell explained to us that this is where Lewis and Clark had gone. We actually camped in the same campground our first night where Lewis and Clark had stayed. And a bunch of people tried to live out there. They tried what's called homesteading, where they give you a piece of land, and if you can farm it for a couple of years or whatever. They tried to grow dry wheat, I think it's called,
Starting point is 00:08:52 and they just couldn't even do that. Shit, it's mud. Everything is just gooey, bottom-of-a-lake mud. You just end up just hating life out there. Yeah. It was the Great Western Inland Sea, I think it was called, and there used to be dinosaurs there. It's a really freaky place.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Well, even Lewis and Clark, when they went through that area, I read, didn't see any Native Americans. Yeah. No blackfeet or anything because they just couldn't live there. Yeah. Apparently, they would visit it every now and then on hunting trips and then go back. But that's it. And that's, you know, when you get into like a sparse sort of a situation like, God damn, we got to go find this fucking crazy deer in the Badlands. Yeah. Because those deer in the Badlands.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Yeah. Because those deer are just running around. There's not that many of them. And there's the occasional mountain lion that's running around jacking them. It's crazy. We found mountain lion shit. Did you see any of that up there? No. It was fat ropes of hair.
Starting point is 00:09:37 That's weird. Yeah, like shit with hair in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's when you know something's been jacking people. Yep. Or jacking deers, rather. Yep. Yeah, it's a harsh place, man.
Starting point is 00:09:46 If you had to live there, I'm not really sure you could. No, I don't think you could. Even if all of us, the guys that were there, if we had to, like... Condos. Even living in, like, if you look at the New Guinea, like in New Guinea, Papua New Guinea, where people have been living forever, they're mostly malnourished, always were, because they had to eat like things like um a bark root and things like just stuff that just grows in swamps that has no nutritional
Starting point is 00:10:10 value you have to harvest uh insects in the air and make mashes of them and roast them yeah it sucks dude it's just like it's the fucking shittiest life in the world you spend all day not only are you spending all day fucking harvesting bugs and fucking bark root, that's delicious, but then you're most likely to die from inner tribal conflict. You can only have small tribes, you know. You couldn't support a lot of people on
Starting point is 00:10:35 such little foods. You had to walk around in small bands of families, and then they'd come across each other and be like, you're in our territory! And it'd be a fight. Yeah, the fly sandwiches. Yeah, it's fly balls. Fly balls. That is the craziest thing they do with mosquitoes, too.
Starting point is 00:10:53 They take a net and they... It's insane. They use a pot. They take a pot, like a metal pot, and they wing it through the mosquitoes over and over again and they stick to the bottom. They slam into the bottom and then you do like this with your hands and make a cake of it. And then they fry the cake. They make mosquito hamburgers.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Delicious. Have you seen it? Yep. You've seen the videos? That's what I'm talking about, yeah. It's so disturbing. Yeah, it's a ball of fucking bug. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:18 That part of the world sucks a fat one. Yeah. I'd move. Yeah. Well, it's because that's what it is. It's like they don't know what the fuck to do man sam sheridan lived with the inuit you know and he was like it's your you all you do is you eat you're gonna eat meat and seal if you didn't catch a seal that winter
Starting point is 00:11:34 uh you were living in the dark for eight months how long did sam live with them for for like i think a week or something he's writing his book two weeks but he said everything's a refrigerator right so you got the he he wore these wolf mittens these wolf fur mittens and you just would leave them outside they weren't cured you just leave them outside so when you actually skin an animal you can actually wear the fur without curing it or worrying about it but like you're always he said well you guys really a master fisherman and stuff and the woman goes we used goes, we used to starve to death all the time. Starve to death. We would end up trying to kill our dogs to eat.
Starting point is 00:12:09 The problem is you couldn't kill too many dogs because then the bears would come and kill you. So you were just always living. So if you didn't get a seal, one seal, you were done for the winter because you didn't have oil to burn. So you were living, remember, it's dark 24-7 sometimes for four months of the year, five months of the year. You're living in the dark, eating raw fish in your igloo.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Okay? Yeah. That's what it was like. Can't see anything, so you're not going anywhere. Oh, you have no fire. You're staying in your igloo. And you're hoping you have enough fish. There's no firewood, right?
Starting point is 00:12:39 There's nothing to burn. No, they would burn fucking oil. Yeah. Jesus Christ. How's that? And they would line their igloos with seal fur. Nothing to keep you warm. Correct.
Starting point is 00:12:51 There's nothing. Just body heat. Yeah. And they've anatomically evolved so that their hands and feet don't get cold. Yeah. I saw that. Yeah. That's freaky, man.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Yeah. It's freaky to realize that that probably only took place over a few thousand years. Yeah. And they all have frostbite on their faces, on their cheeks. All of them do. Whoa. All frostbitten cheeks. They just deal with it?
Starting point is 00:13:13 Yeah. Scarred. Scar tissue. Scarring all over your face. Yeah. From the cold. I mean, they would get around on mush sleds. They still do.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Now they use snowmobiles. But he was like, you're on a fucking... You're dogs. And only... I think it's only one species of dog. Not huskies. They're a type of husky. Only one dog. About 45, 50 pounds. Those are the only dogs that can survive. That can live in that cold.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Jesus fucking Christ. What a shit way to live. But what an amazing thing that people are willing to try it. I think like anything else human beings get used to anything anything you when you're in jail forever you get used to you figure it out and that's why rich people are fucked they get used to being rich that's right they get used to having everything you're being lazy like kids born rich it fucks them up i bet it does it's called the wealth called the handicap of wealth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Do you worry about that with your son? Do you think, like, I've got to make sure this little motherfucker, like, starts wrestling practice and develops some discipline? I was going to say, one of the ways out is sports. Yeah. And learning how to lose properly and learning how to win. That's very huge. It's huge.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Sports teach you how tough you're not and how to lose, not just how to to win and mainly teach you how to do things like recognize plateaus yeah you know people always that's why i always tell young people i go look accomplishment when you're trying to accomplish something all you have to do in some ways is have a good teacher so you're practicing correctly and show up every day and you're going to find long time periods of time where you just hit plateaus where you just hit plateaus. I tried to write today, and my head was all over the place. Why? It doesn't matter. The point is I tried to write.
Starting point is 00:14:53 You just show up every day. You can take your breaks, of course, but for the most part, you've got to kind of familiarize yourself with the peaks, valleys, and plateaus of accomplishment. If not, you'll run. Yeah, well, I think one of the things about sports is that the accomplishments are clearly defined. They're very obvious. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Have you been successful at getting the ball into the hole? That's true. No? If not, why? Yeah. Have you been successful at wrestling people? If not, why? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And you either adjust and work accordingly and use your intelligence to sort of figure out whatever puzzle it is whatever game you're playing and whatever the parameters are or you don't it's that simple whereas like socially there's a lot of bullshit and there's a lot of gray area and you know you might think you're cool because you listen to the right records and you dress the right way and you live in the right neighborhood but really not really, really not really. You don't have any character because you've never had it. I was about to say, I was about to say that, you know, if I was just thinking about, as you were saying that, I think socially, whether or not you're a most entertaining person or not, I really think that a huge, a huge way to fix a social issue you may have
Starting point is 00:16:01 is just be honest. Like you and i always talk about like just just don't lie man don't lie to your friends just be really honest about if you're having problems if you have like an issue whatever it is if you're open and upfront about it and don't take yourself too seriously if you do that's hard that's that requires a lot of personal assessment and this goes back to sports or anything especially martial arts i've always said the best way to stop bullying is to teach everyone how to fight yeah and you know why because the big guys won't be bullying if they're they're actually training and learning how to fight i don't know good fighters that are bullies it's it's much much more rare than regular big people who aren't bullies that's right regular big people there's a lot of bullies especially if they're like insecure and that's the
Starting point is 00:16:44 only thing that they have. It's like a girl whose personality sucks, but she's got big tits. We're going to see those tits everywhere she goes. She knows where her asset lies. Personal assessment. Yeah, and dudes who become bullies. What do you think? You just brought up something that's interesting to me about the way to stop bullying and teach everybody to fight,
Starting point is 00:17:02 which I couldn't agree more with. It's true. What would you do about this gun issue? That's a much more complicated issue than just bullying. But I think it could solve the – I really do believe – I brought it up because you said – does it mean – do you have armed guards? I mean is that how you stop it? There's a bunch of issues with the school shooting thing,
Starting point is 00:17:25 with any mass shooting. There's a ton of issues involved here. And not in the least of them is the mental state of human beings today. Take medication aside, put it as a variable. I know a lot of people resist that variable, especially people who are proponents of antidepressants, especially people who have enjoyed the effects of antidepressants, because apparently antidepressants can make a lot of people happy. And I'm not disputing that. But there's something going on with the state of mind of a human being who's willing to do
Starting point is 00:18:01 something unbelievably horrific to affect a large group of people. It's got to be the result of that sort of mass scale destruction. It's like you want to affect people in the most horrific way. This guy who shot children, he wanted to affect people in the most horrific way. Why? We have to get to the root of that. What makes a person do that? You can't do that, okay? You would never do that. I know I know you you would never be a school shooting. You'd never shoot babies So who would shoot babies and why what the fuck makes a person like that? And that's not the gun issue and that's not a fertilizer bomb issue and it's not a nuclear issue It's an issue of humanity
Starting point is 00:18:43 What is it about us where we have failed as a culture so much that even we have one example out of a million like that? How does that happen in a community of people who can read, who are aware of each other's presence? How can you get to a point where you've got a guy like that who's willing and able to do something like that. The question then from that is, I think there've always been, what you just described a lot of times, one of the classic definitions of a sociopath, a psychotic sociopath, is they will do something horrific to watch the effect. That's how they get power. That's how they get pleasure. And there are a lot of different examples of that. And so psychologists, I read a book called The Sociopath Next Door, where she talks exactly about that. The other issue might be, if we agree that we've always had, we're always
Starting point is 00:19:29 going to have sociopaths, it's an aberration in the gene pool, the culture, whatever, like the guy, whatever, the guy from Columbine, one kid was suicidal, the other kid had a history of being a sadistic sociopath. Or another style of it, Bernie Madoff. Right. It's a different style of sociopath. Exactly. The question becomes, I guess, is there a discussion to be had about how to keep these lethal weapons out of those kind of people's hands? If it's a public health issue and we can figure out a way to get these people at least monitored or helped in some way or not or locked up if they're sociopaths it seems to me that that that the variable is the availability of lethal guns now i own guns so i'm not i don't really know how to address i don't know i don't know the i don't know how to address a very interesting point and i think you'd be silly if you didn't agree with that the issue is though that, that the National Rifle Association and gun enthusiasts in general are not willing to give any ground whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:20:28 And they don't want it anymore because they want to be able to own these guns. They want to be able to go out and buy, like, my friend Anthony Cumia. He has a.50 caliber gun. That's like a—you can shoot a hole through a fucking building. It's, in fact, against the Geneva Conventions. I believe you can look it up. You can't use it against personnel because you come apart. Well, he has one of those.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Why does he have one of those? Because he's crazy. He wants to own it. But I'm not worried about him shooting up anybody. He's just a gun enthusiast. And their thoughts are they should be able to be a gun enthusiast. And I agree with that. I agree with that as well. If you are a
Starting point is 00:21:03 law-abiding citizen who follows rules and regulations and, you know, you're not an insane person, you're not a sociopath. And Anthony is a perfect example. He's not none of those. He's not a bad guy. He just wants to be able to have that gun. And I feel that he should be able to do that. I really do. I mean, as crazy as it sounds.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Well, I mean, I own guns and I don't want somebody taking my guns away. I don't want someone telling me how much horsepower my car can have. I don't want someone telling me how warm my house can be. I don't want someone telling me how much fuel you're using. I don't want that. I don't believe that you should be allowed to control very much about other people's lives when it's not affecting you. And, you know, there's the arguments about the use of fossil fuels and using your share and all that.
Starting point is 00:21:46 That is not the way to handle that, by stopping people from using things. No, it's technology. We've already developed the technology. We're going to have cars that run, my car runs on 50 miles before it needs a gallon. You have a golf cart, you don't have a car. It's a dishwasher with wheels. There's nothing manly about that. It bugs you, doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:22:03 It's terrifying. He hates my priest. There's so much in you that wants to come out. It's so true. And it would come out with a Shelby GT500. That's who you need to get a hold of. 662 horsepower. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah, baby. What a real V8 sound. I'll just drive the speed limit normally. Just hit the gas. I'm usually too distracted. I'm thinking. Boom, boom, boom. Boom.
Starting point is 00:22:24 You want to feel that on your fucking seat. You say that because you never had one. Trust me. Jesus Christ, son. Trust me. Trust me. The Shelby, huh? Trust me.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Yes, get a fucking American muscle car, man. You have to get an automatic. Go get a Challenger SRT8. Really? Those beautiful things. Yeah, with a big fucking Hemi in it. They make an automatic for a pussy like you. Dove Dale laughs at me.
Starting point is 00:22:45 He's like, you fucking... He can't believe I drive a Prius. It's a sad car. You and Fitzsimmons. Fitzsimmons at least admits it, though. He loves muscle cars. Yeah, I'm not a Prius guy most of my life. I don't think that way, but I'm just so lazy with cars.
Starting point is 00:22:57 I literally got it because I didn't want to get out of the car as often. After this, let's go to the Ford dealership and go for a little drive. Stop pushing me, man. Come on, man. No peer pressure. Come on, man. If you pressure. Come on, man. If you want to get something reasonable, get like an M3 or something. Get something that's got some fucking pickup.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. You were going to get an Audi. What happened with that? I just found it cramped. You found it cramped. A little cramped, the A5. You're driving out of a lunchbox.
Starting point is 00:23:21 I like the feeling of my Prius was like half as much money. Oh, cheap. And I only had to get out of the car. You have to get out of the car three times more with an Audi. I was like, I'll just drive this. It's easier. A little lazy.
Starting point is 00:23:35 We got to get you doing more podcasts so you sell more comedy tickets so you feel comfortable getting a real fucking car. Speaking of which, I'll be in San Francisco at the Punchline January 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Come and get some. That's a great club. That's one of the great clubs in the country. Without a doubt, the Punchline in San Francisco is one of the top clubs on earth. We're Friday.
Starting point is 00:23:56 We're tonight, actually. We're at the Ice House. Oh, can I do a quick... Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I just wanted to do a quick promo. Thanks, iTunes, for rating 10-minute podcasts in the top three comedies of 2012. I was go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. I just wanted to do a quick promo. Thanks, iTunes, for rating 10-minute podcasts in the top three comedies of 2012.
Starting point is 00:24:08 I was really pumped. Are you like Tourette's or something? Why would you say that in the middle of someone else saying something else? I'm sorry. That's right. I was asking you if I could promote. What's wrong with you? Sorry.
Starting point is 00:24:17 But why would you do that? Why would you do that? We're talking about the exact day of the show. We're saying we've got a show tonight. You're like, can I just stop you? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Can I stop you right now and talk about myself? It's the weed, it's the weed, I'm sorry. That's a ridiculous thing to do. I thought you were going to say something related that you had to get out. You completely just turned it on yourself. Oh, I'm sorry. There was no reason to stop that. I thought I'd piggyback on talking about... That's not piggyback. We have a show tonight, you fuck.
Starting point is 00:24:40 A show at the Ice House Comedy Club in the small room. It's Brian Redband, not Brian Callen. Sam, no, Tripoli? Sam Tripoli. Jason Tebe. Kevin Christie. Kevin Christie.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Oh, great. All very cool people. And it's like the most intimate room in LA. It's in Pasadena, actually, so it's not even in LA. Yeah, it's great. I love that room. The little room only seats like 80 people. But it's a good place to fuck around and work out. And so it's like one of the most fun places to come.
Starting point is 00:25:12 So it's tonight, 10 o'clock. How much? $15, I think. $15. And it's the Ice House, the Ice House, which is like the greatest fucking club in the history of the San Fernando Valley, but it's not even in the San Fernando Valley. It's in a different valley. Yeah. It is, actually. What valley is that? Yeah, it is, isn't it? No, but it's not even in the San Fernando Valley. It's in a different valley. It is, actually.
Starting point is 00:25:26 What valley is that? Yeah, it is. No, is it Burbank? No, I don't think so. Pasadena's not the San Fernando Valley. What is that? I don't think it's... Whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:25:33 It's right near Altadena. Figure it out, bitch. It's on the way to Big Bear. Yeah. But that's tonight at 10 p.m. It's a great room. So go home, wash your pussy, put on your favorite t-shirt. It's a cool room because we all just kind of pretty much fuck around with new material.
Starting point is 00:25:45 So it's not like a regular show where it's usually like sets. It's a lot of fucking around. So it's fun. It's cool to watch. Sorry to interrupt you. No, I'm just fucking around. This guy, look, I love people. This guy just sent me a message.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Move on. You're being a bitch to Brian Callen. Hey, fuck you, White Horse. Captain White Knight. Thank you, White Horse. I didn't want to say your name, dummy. People are so gross, man. They can't even take people fucking with you.
Starting point is 00:26:09 You're going to put my foot down. I'm going to say my thing. I'm going to talk now. You should stop what you're doing. You should be nice now. I finally watched Hangover 2. Your role in that was really good. Thank you, sir.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Are you in Hangover 3 also? I was offered a part in Hangover 3 and I was doing a movie called Ride Along so I couldn't do it let's be honest Hangover 2 was a fucking terrible movie it was really really bad I didn't see the whole thing
Starting point is 00:26:34 it wasn't a movie I paid for it I watched the whole thing and it was rubbish dude I'll say this this movie Ride Along I did with Kevin Hart that guy's the funniest
Starting point is 00:26:42 he kills me he fucking kills me. I'm trying to do a scene with him. Every single time he'd do something, he'd do something that made me laugh. Like, he just does shit out of nowhere where you're just like, this guy, he's gonna be something, man.
Starting point is 00:26:54 He already is. He's already something. He already is. And he's such a fucking good guy. Do you know him? No, I don't know him at all. He's such a fucking good human being. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Like, he's just a, Kevin Hart is a classic example of he's just a great human being man it's like the kind of person you're so happy is successful because he's such a fucking great guy I'm being very dramatic but I really mean it
Starting point is 00:27:15 were you there during the taping at the same time that Brody got some kind of like blowjob from a man girl well that never happened but I was there and I was telling Brody. It never happened?
Starting point is 00:27:25 I don't think so, because I was there. But Brody talks about it. Is he lying? Oh, maybe it wasn't when I was there, but we were at the ladyboy thing, and I said to him, I said, Brody, if you take that girl home, even though it's a guy, it does not make you gay, because that's the best-looking chick I've ever seen. So did he or didn't he?
Starting point is 00:27:40 He says he did. Oh, I don't know. I mean, he gets really emotional about it. Okay, maybe. I don't know. You just weren't there with him the whole time. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Okay. What are you saying? All right. Wow, Brody might be full of shit. Brody might be crazy. No. No, that's not something you'd want to lie about. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:27:57 It's a good story. It'd be just like, I need a new 10 minutes. But I wasn't with him the whole time. I'm just talking about a dude sucking my dick. I've seen a lot of dudes with stories about dudes sucking their dicks. Think about it. Stan Hope had a nice one. That was a nice story.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Who else had one? I think it's the fourth moon of showing your dick at a comedy club. You know how guys all show their dicks at the comedy clubs? I think that's the next stage. People don't know that, but it's not all comedy clubs. It's just the store. Is it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:23 I've never seen anybody's dick anywhere else. Oh, at the Funny Bone, I saw a few willies. Really? Yeah. In Columbus? Yeah, think how gross that is. You're at the Funny Bone. It was in the bathroom, obviously.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Yeah, it was in his mouth. Exactly. No, in the comedy store, I saw everybody pull their dick out. But Ari got in trouble for pulling his dick out on HBO. You can't just pull your dick out places people get really upset about that shit but Ari had a really funny bit where he pulled his dick out at the end dropped his pants and pulled his cock out it's really funny he was for Jim Norton show yeah yeah but apparently he didn't tell them that he was gonna do it he's got
Starting point is 00:29:00 balls giant balls his dicks normal I mean it would, it would probably be impressive if his balls were tiny. If his balls were like little marbles, he'd be like, this is the size of his cock. But because his balls are preposterous... It's strange. It looks Star Wars-y. Somewhere in his family must have been a whole herd of sluts. Because the size of a human's balls, apparently,
Starting point is 00:29:22 are directly proportionate to the amount of promiscuous females in your area. Wow. Yeah, that's why humans and chimps have such giant nuts, but gorillas have little tiny ones. Wow. Because gorillas just run shit. They have little dicks, and they're giant. So they get a few bitches, and they're like, stay here, I got you. And then he fucks them but because there's no competition because they're so giant so dominant
Starting point is 00:29:50 There's no competition with like these women fucking other men their balls stay little and their dicks a little but like chimps You can't hold a chimp bitch and check those bitches are freaks they're out there and the fucking trees banging dudes behind your back and banging people and they'll bang anything. Did I ever tell you I was in Indonesia and I helped rehabilitate orangutans? Did I ever tell you this story? Yeah, you did. Yeah. Where
Starting point is 00:30:15 orangutan adolescents will try to rape a female, a human female. Oh, yeah. So you have to be careful around them because they'll grab you and they'll pull your pants off. Don't females in heat, won't they try to mate with males as well? I don't know. I saw there was a lot of sexual activity
Starting point is 00:30:30 because I was around them constantly. They were always like licking each other. Let's go to the clubs. And then, fucking, we watched one rape a... The older adolescents will steal the little kids and they'll, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:43 not humans, but the orangutans who are like three or three and pull them up in a tree and rape them. Oh my God. And we watched one rape a fucking chicken
Starting point is 00:30:51 under a house. It was fucking a chicken. Masturbating and trying to fuck the chicken and looking for the hole. We were talking about this in the podcast the other day that we're lucky
Starting point is 00:31:01 that human beings can't breed with other animals because if they did, there would be a human slash everything all over the world. Monkeys, giraffes, zebras. Right. Did you ever see Humanzy? No.
Starting point is 00:31:12 You ever see Humanzy? Yeah. It's a documentary about a chimp that was a freak chimp that would walk on two legs and looked like a hybrid. And it terrified people. Because they thought for the longest time, before genetics were really... Pull it up, because it'll freak people out for the longest time before they you know really got a grip on genetics they thought that these that this was a human um chimpanzee hybrid you got to see its face that's not it that's crazy you got to see its face because it didn't
Starting point is 00:31:40 have much hair on its face it looked that's not it it looked just pull a human z not chimp rapes a frog you fuck but they do that see what it's doing yeah no they do this that's a human z spell it right fuck z e e human z like a chimpanzee but human z uh yes it was all over the chimp that was um that was what these uh this family look at it it's so creepy look at it walk upright hangs out with people it was in love with this woman look how weird its face is there was something wrong with it genetically or it had some strange variation but it was uh especially when it was young it really resembled a human being look at him there as it got older it got more and more chimp like and got hairier but when it was younger um and apparently like was madly in love with the
Starting point is 00:32:37 woman uh and like that's when it became a problem like he was trying to fuck the woman all the time yeah well a huge male chimp is no joke man not only that they want pussy you know they want something that's right like why you you don't have any chimps around here for me they have moods they fly into rages they get cold and they feel like shit they have genetic like signals that are going off left and right that are trying to give them the reward for breeding like it's firing at force, and then you have no outlet for that. That's just bananas. Yeah, it's bananas.
Starting point is 00:33:09 That's completely crazy. That's like what they do with tigers when they cage them, and they wonder why they pace back and forth and back and forth. You're sliding a tray of meat under the door. You're not giving it anything to kill. Like, this whole thing is designed to kill things. That's why it moves so fast. That's why it has giant claws.
Starting point is 00:33:25 It's so it to kill things. That's why it moves so fast. That's why it has giant claws. It's so it can kill things. So when it kills things, it gets this orgasm-like rush of endorphins and this reward from nature. Because you're not just surviving. You're doing what you're programmed to do. You're not chasing these animals out of desperation. You roll a fucking ball in front of a cat and they'll dive on it. They're doing it for the thrill.
Starting point is 00:33:43 So you're taking away all the thrill out of life just so you can stare at them. I hate that. That's why I don't like zoos, by the way. I wonder if there would be a tiger-human combo if a person could fuck a tiger. Well, as they cross-pollinate DNA, that's very possible. No, I mean, hold it down and fuck it.
Starting point is 00:33:58 I think what they would have to do is they would have to just net it. It would be one dude who was a bad motherfucker who wanted a tiger to carry his baby, wanted to make tiger people. They thought that was like the next level and he would have to like they'd have to like it would have to be like a whole village would be involved you'd have to get rocks how would you get it up that's kind of weird you'd get it up if you're a freak yeah i guess if you're into animals yeah those dudes are into animals yeah so you'd have to like get the net drop the net down like with giant boulders
Starting point is 00:34:25 and then everybody would have to move in somehow and you'd have to hold this fucker down. This is such a stone conversation. Yeah. Before they had like drugs to drug,
Starting point is 00:34:35 we don't want to drug the woman, the woman tiger because then when the baby is going to come out all fucked up, not only is it half-person, it's retarded.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Depends on if Pfizer has got some drugs. Maybe. But this is Pfizer. We're talking about 2,000, 3,000 years ago when you had to use curare and shit.
Starting point is 00:34:49 You had to poison them into like a half state of paralysis and then stick your dick in them. I wonder. I wonder if anybody's ever fucked a tiger.
Starting point is 00:34:59 Throughout human history, there's got to be one dude who fucked a tiger. There's no way that somebody who has shot a tiger hasn't tried at least one person. Oh, once it's dead. Yeah. who fucked a tiger. There's no way that somebody who has shot a tiger hasn't tried that. At least one person. Oh, once it's dead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:07 That doesn't count. That's not real. You can't fuck a tiger. No, why not? You have to have a breeding. It'd have to be in a breeding like they have for pit bulls. When they breed them, it's like a breeding mount. Yeah, like they back them up into some stalks.
Starting point is 00:35:22 It's a contraption. Yeah, it's like a stalk. But people looking at that humanzy, you could clearly see why people would think that that was some sort of a hybrid. Yeah. I mean, that is a freaky-looking thing. When you see him...
Starting point is 00:35:34 It looks so real. It looks so human. And when he's walking on two legs, and he's walking around, and he's just hanging out with people, and he's got that weird hairless face, nobody questioned it. Nobody was like, it's impossible.
Starting point is 00:35:45 No one would fuck a chimp. They immediately thought, somebody fucked a chimp. It was like, right away. Because they know what our capabilities are. Well, that woman in Connecticut who lost her face, the owner would take baths with that chimp and drink wine out of long-stemmed glasses. She was flinging it.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Yeah, she let that chimp fuck her. I will guarantee. I think so. And I think that's why the other chimp killed that bitch, because that chick probably tried to cock block. She was probably cock blocking. She changed her hair that day. She had her hair done, and she came, and the chimp was also having that.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Well, it's a fucking male, 200-pound fucking adult chimp. So guess what? It's called the very dangerous wild animal. My buddy Kieran's a stuntman. He goes, the only thing I don't do. I said, what's the scariest stunt? He goes, anything very dangerous wild animal. My buddy, Kieran's a stunt man goes, the only thing I don't, I said, what's the scariest stunt? He goes, anything with chimpanzees. I don't mess with them. That's what he said. He does everything. Fighting, falling, motorcycles, uh, chimps. Yeah. Dude, fuck all that. If they grab a hold of you, you know, you're going to lose a nose at least before somebody gets to you. And chances are you're
Starting point is 00:36:43 going to lose half your face. Ugh. Or your balls. Or your balls. Or your dick. You know we were talking earlier about New Guinea? Yeah. Have you ever heard of those tribes that believe that the young boys have to ingest semen? Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Do you know how prevalent that is? It's also in the islands. What is it? It's called widow strangling where if your husband dies, they strangle the widow, and she'll call off to her brothers to do it. If her brothers aren't around, her son does it. Yeah. I think it's the Solomon Islands or the Governor Islands or something,
Starting point is 00:37:14 out in like near Papua New Guinea or somewhere. What's the point in that? Why do they strangle her? It's a very isolated culture where some psycho came up with an idea, and people took it as tradition and they would do it it's dumb shit because when you've got a group of people that have had no contact with the outside world for millennia you get these really weird uh strange customs that will actually stick and they can be as crazy as widow strangling. By the way, what is it in India before when it got it in the turn of the century
Starting point is 00:37:49 where if a woman was, if her husband was dead, she would be burned? What was it called? As a sort of a sacrifice. It's called, fuck, what is it? Is it like Viking style? They'd throw them on the? She'd be on a pile of wood and she would burn and they would burn her. No offense to anybody who's Indian.
Starting point is 00:38:10 It was a Hindu tradition, I think. And I can't remember what it was, but there's a word for it. It was practiced commonly in certain parts of India. And all I'm saying is that in every culture has very very sort of rather dreadful ideas of what they call culture. It's just amazing when that shit sticks. We evolve as human beings.
Starting point is 00:38:33 When the Soviets got to Afghanistan when a girl was born, a lot of times there was no time or use for a girl in that village. And they would just throw them off cliffs. The infants. They would throw them off cliffs. would just throw them off cliffs. The infants. They would throw them off cliffs. They'd throw them off cliffs. And that's one of the things the Soviets said.
Starting point is 00:38:48 They were like, this is fucking nuts. Those, you know, I mean, look at what just happened. There's a videotape going all over the world. The Afghan tribe where the woman who is considered a beautiful girl, everybody liked her, she was married. Some Taliban commander captures her, takes her off, rapes her, and apparently somebody else did as well. They had a big meeting, they went and rescued her, the husband's friends, they killed the guy, they brought the girl back, they decided she had to either marry the guy that she was one of her attackers, or she probably
Starting point is 00:39:21 committed adultery, so we're going to shoot her. So the husband took a machine gun and shot her about six times. Her family came, collected the body, and that's how you did it. And that's how you do it still in certain parts of Afghanistan, in those backward villages. Human beings have always done, when they're ignorant and they're not exposed to the right way of doing things, they've always done things like that, and they still do things like that. But it's amazing that it coexists with the internet. That it coexists with watching the History Channel
Starting point is 00:39:50 is going on at the same time. But the great thing is in this gang rape in India that everybody's talking about, what happened was gang rapes in India have been going on forever. And the cops never really prosecute them. And the cops look very bad. When this woman was raped with her friend and assaulted with a metal bar, she was bleeding so badly. They threw them out naked
Starting point is 00:40:09 out of the car. It took 25 minutes before the cops came. The cops then argued for 40 minutes about who had jurisdiction. The cops didn't want to touch her because she was bleeding too much. So the friend had to put her in there. They get to the hospital. They still had to wait in the waiting room. And then of course she died but this is not an uncommon thing what happened when that word got out in india for the first time was young college students started tweeting and organizing mass rallies saying this has been going on for way too fucking long it's always been you you'd get a choice another girl in india who's raped there was a choice this is in the lower this is like not. This is people who are not as educated, but the girl had
Starting point is 00:40:47 a choice. Marry your attacker, marry one of your attackers, or don't press charges. Somehow the woman is to blame. And what's happening in these societies and all these societies is they're modernizing, like you said, because they have access to information. Young people who are educated are going, this is bullshit. This makes our country look terrible. This is unacceptable. It's been going on too long. And that's one of the great things about the internet, I think. Yeah, it's one of the greatest things about the internet.
Starting point is 00:41:13 What is it about people that allows them to do something like a gang rape? How does that happen? Well, they said that one of the young guys who was raping was reaching into her body and pulling out her intestines. There you go. With his hand. There you go. I mean, that's fucking unbelievably evil it's unbelievably evil it's it's been going on that's what men do when they get in groups and they're fucking sociopaths or in a gang how do you get that many of them together that are that crazy you you come from a you come
Starting point is 00:41:39 and i'm not saying it's indian culture you come from a part of the world whether it's your village or whether it's your family where where women are treated as chattel or dogs or less than human. And that's what happens. That's why we have examples of that from the beginning of time. It's just amazing that cultures can degrade to that point, that somehow or another you can get to the point where you can have gang rapes on a regular basis. It's a thing you know or this new guinea thing like that i mean it's look it's just it's even more crazy than gang rape there are countless examples of that you know no it's the problem it's not because it's it's like i guess i don't know it's it's crazy the problem with male dominated societies actually if you look at male patriarchal societies,
Starting point is 00:42:27 the problem with them is that they tend to be—they will always keep women in a certain place. And if women try to get out of that place, the problem is solved a lot of times with violence. But I've also been thinking, and I don't have the data on this, but patriarchal societies, societies dominated by men, usually are always at war with either someone or themselves. There's a lot of violence in societies like that. Well, what society isn't patriarchal? I think for the most part, comparison is a country that at least has dialogue about equal rights,
Starting point is 00:43:05 glass ceilings, women are in positions of power, have been for a long time. They were given the vote, what, in 1934 with the suffragette movement? That was a mistake. Right? But that's always been, that's Europe for that matter, the liberal democracy of Europe. Right, but there's still, I would say there's still an inequality.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Very much so. If you just looked at it on paper as far as wealth, prestige, power, influence between men and women. The important thing is that we're talking about it. The important thing is that people know what's right versus what's wrong. Do you know why we're talking about it? The internet? No, we don't have prostitution. If we had legalized prostitution, we would just...
Starting point is 00:43:43 I agree with you on that. We're like, God damn it, why are we arguing about this shit? I mean, Jesus Christ, can't you... I'm arguing, I'm trying to make you happy, so I... It's just... Someone's my little sex junkie. It's just a girl who wants... It's legal in Rhode Island.
Starting point is 00:43:53 It's a girl who wants help with her rent. That's all it is. What'd you say? Isn't prostitution legal in Rhode Island? No, I don't think so. Somebody told me yesterday. No. No, I don't...
Starting point is 00:44:03 Unless it's a new law. I don't think so. Unless it's a new law. I don't think so. Unless it's an Indian casino. Why don't you Google it? I know that it's legal in Carson City, or not Carson City, Nevada. I think it's Clark County. One of those counties.
Starting point is 00:44:15 But it's not the Vegas County, oddly enough. I know. It's out in the middle of nowhere. You've got to drive out, I guess. Yeah, like when we went to the Bunny Ranch, we filmed some... We went to the Bunny Ranch when I was doing the man show, and I played Pretty Woman for them. And we had them all like talk about the scenes in Pretty Woman and like what the scene meant to them.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Dude, it was legal up to 2009. Really? And can you imagine they just lost like the best thing and we just found out about it in Rhode Island. Prostitution was legal? Yeah. What? What's wrong with you, Rhode Island? Why didn't I know that? Why didn't I know that?
Starting point is 00:44:49 Why wasn't that the best spring break place ever? I was there in 2008. What the fuck? Nobody even told me shit. Apparently porn stars have to turn tricks a lot more now because they're not making as much money making movies. I heard a girl describing that in an interview. She's one of the girls who used to do do porn and now she was at the Bunny Ranch. And they were talking about like that to a lot of them it's no different.
Starting point is 00:45:12 That she said it's porn is just like one big brothel. It's just they film it this way. It's like you're doing the same thing but you don't film it. Like those guys aren't my boyfriend that I'm having sex with. So that was her justification of it. It was really strange to read because she was talking about her boyfriend that she lives with and that for someone like they were asked her do you do overnights because i guess overnights or like when a hooker stays the whole night and
Starting point is 00:45:34 you just maul her all night she goes well it would have to be a lot of money to keep me away from the man that i love jesus i'm like whoa hello what kind of, wow, what an odd place to be. That's such strange thinking. Yeah. Unusual thinking. I just, I don't know, man. Yeah. Could you imagine if you were that guy and you're just sitting at home because you're a lazy fuck and you don't have a job?
Starting point is 00:45:56 Somebody's cumming in your girlfriend's mouth? Everywhere. Her ass, her mouth. The guy's paying like five grand. He's raw dog in her face. You know? You know he is. Yeah. She's sucking his balls while he's. He's raw dog in her face. You know? You know he is. Yeah, she's sucking his balls while he's jerking off, looking in her eyes.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Yeah, no, that's not. The whole deal. I just don't want to make out with you after that. Everything and everything. Yeah. Well, you know, there's nothing wrong with it if he likes it and she likes it. But if you're, you know. Yeah, some people get off on it.
Starting point is 00:46:19 You're trying to pretend that you'll. Some people get off on it. Your girlfriend's just working. Yeah. She ain't just working. She's getting paid to do something that, you something that a lot of people do for free. It's a weird thing when you're agreeing to have sex with someone that you don't want to have sex with, and you're doing it over money.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Or she does want to have sex. Look, there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it. But there's a reason why it's looked upon weirdly. It's because it does sort of bypass the whole social system that's in place that's sort of kind of designed to make people be nice to each other like the reason why sex is like people like having sex with you so they like you they like you so it gives you incentive to be nice to them to be a person that they want to be around
Starting point is 00:47:00 they want to give you affection you want to give you affection. You want to give them affection. It becomes mutual. And then for some people, it's just like, I don't have time for that. I just want to give you some money, and then I fucking treat you like shit and spit in your mouth. That's love. This Rhode Island place, by the way, is my new destination when time travel becomes legal.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Because now, also, you could be 16 to be a stripper or a prostitute back in 2009. 16? That was the age of consent was 16. Wow. So there's all these 16-year-old hookers in Rhode Island, and none of us knew about Rhode Island in 2009 for some reason. Wow.
Starting point is 00:47:33 16. That's dark. I couldn't do that because I'd have to keep that a secret. I don't want any secrets. Keep it a secret. That's too fucked up, man. No, not 16. Rhode Island's a weird place.
Starting point is 00:47:44 I used to do a lot of gigs in Rhode Island. Is it super small, or what's the deal? Yeah, it's tiny. I think it's the tiniest state in the Union. Is it? Yeah. It's really little, man. You could drive through it in a couple hours.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Rhode Island. I did a lot of gigs there. Isn't Rhode Island where Whitey Bulger ran the underground? No, that was South Boston. That was South Boston. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Whitey Bulger ran the underground, and his brother was the mayor. Not only... No, that was South Boston. South Boston. Isn't that crazy? Whitey Moser ran the underground and
Starting point is 00:48:05 his brother was the mayor. No, no. Governor. His brother was some other big time politician, but more importantly, he was an FBI informant the entire time. So he was ratting out all these other bad people and then getting
Starting point is 00:48:21 them killed. Like if they would turn on him, they would say yeah they would say hey this guy's about to testify against you and then you could kill them like the fbi would warn him so that he would keep like he would keep giving them people to arrest you know so they would they would they were in business together and the fbi would look the other way if he was selling drugs or if he was doing certain things even murder they looked the other way with for murder it's really unbelievably fucked up
Starting point is 00:48:46 when you look at the whole story about how complicit the FBI was why didn't they make a movie about that The Departed was sort of a
Starting point is 00:48:55 artistic rendition rendition of it it wasn't really accurate they had some artistic license that they used but it was sort of a lot of it
Starting point is 00:49:04 was about and then he was on the lam for like 30 years in Santa Monica man Santa Monica he was living in Santa Monica and they found him because of his wife
Starting point is 00:49:11 his wife his girlfriend his mouthy bitch is that what it was they'd fight and yell and scream at each other apparently and people were
Starting point is 00:49:18 looking into them because of that because they would like violently yell at each other yeah apparently he would like they'd be talking and then all of a sudden out of nowhere know where he'd go all right let's go come on let's get out of here i'm tired of this like he would just fly off the handle well he probably was
Starting point is 00:49:31 really bored yeah the guy ran a crime empire forever and then all of a sudden he's hanging out with some crazy bitch in an apartment yeah and you know you got to pretend to be sam mickenheimer or whatever the fuck you are now i think a lot of criminals that's true that's like the biggest thing is the juice. Yeah. You should have went to Mexico. You should have went gangster, Dawn Till Dusk style. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:50 You know, why stay in Santa Monica? They'll let you into Mexico. Weather's nice. Come on, son. Get out of here. You got to go to Mexico. You should have gone to Mexico. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Get a nice place near Cabo. Blend right in. Get a tan. Shave your head. Nobody knows who the fuck you are. That's true. Medical marijuana in Rhode Island from starting at 2006 so 2006 to 2009 let's all meet there when time machine Colorado's got the first clubs right pot clubs now well they're about to open one but it doesn't say
Starting point is 00:50:17 anything about smoking pot in public place the law does not allow that so you can't drink in a public place either in own home yeah uh you can at bars but they don't have licenses for like it's a situation so what it's going to be is like you're gonna have to get a membership that's how they do uh in certain states they have uh that with booze there was certain states no it wasn't utah it wasn't just utah where was it north carolina maybe i forget but it was back in the day. You had to go to a club. There were certain clubs like after a certain time at night.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And you could go there, but you had to pay for a membership. Like they had like cigars. And I think one of them even had strippers. And you had to like be a member. You had to like pay because there was law. So the way to get around the law is to make it private. So everybody becomes a member. You go there, you give your ID, you fill out your name and your address.
Starting point is 00:51:08 You give them 20 bucks or whatever the fuck it is. The guy gives you a key, and now you're a member. Wow. It's silly. It's the silliest shit ever. But that's the only way to do it. Right. They had to skirt around the law.
Starting point is 00:51:18 So what they're going to do with this Colorado thing is they're going to make it so that you're a member. And you go there, and then you can all smoke weed together. But someone's going to fuck that up. The real problem with it is that it's only two states, and it's not federal yet. I hope this is the beginning, but I hope that it's not fuel for blowback. I hope that they don't fuck it up somehow.
Starting point is 00:51:41 And you also have to be careful of agent provocateurs and all sorts of different people that are going to try to, if the DEA was smart and they wanted to keep that business going, and I know that there's people in the DEA that are smart, and I know there's people in the DEA that want to keep that business going. One of the things they do is they infiltrate and they go in the business of arresting people for selling drugs. As soon as drugs become legal, there's a whole lot less jobs for DEA people. So that's what the lobby's about. That's what the prison guard lobby also lobbies very hard
Starting point is 00:52:12 to make sure that people don't make drugs illegal. But one of the things that undercover cops and undercover DEA guys have done is force people to buy and sell much more than they really needed. Like there's a guy that's in jail. There was a big article about it in Rolling Stone magazine. And this DEA guy was undercover, turned out to be a junkie himself, went to rehab after
Starting point is 00:52:33 he quit the force and was actually discharged. He was fired because of impropriety. Set this guy up, asked this guy to get him some weed, and gave him some money for it, and then said, listen, man, I can get you $100,000 if you can get me some Coke, and I need this amount of weed and this amount of Coke. And the guy's like, I can't do that. He goes, look, I'll set you up with the people.
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's cool, man. Trust me. I just need you to dot all the I's and cross all the T's and you're going to make all this money. So he literally set up the whole fake... Just entrapment. Yeah. Complete, total entrapment. Not only that, the guy was like 19 years old. So
Starting point is 00:53:15 dumb, young, living in the South. Yeah, I would have done the same thing. 100 grand? I mean... Living in the South. Making it that easy? Uneducated, dumb, young, living in Georgia. And this guy gets off on and he's in jail for the rest of his life and he's in jail for the rest of his life. He's in jail for the rest of his life. And he was just a young kid that thought he was going to sell a dude who he'd already sold weed
Starting point is 00:53:31 to. Thought he was going to sell him some more weed. Hey man, you made the world safer there. It's unbelievable how they can sort of just rope kids in. And they do it like how could you do that to a teenager? How could you pretend that you're doing you're serving I mean, how could you pretend that you're doing, you're serving and protecting? How can you pretend that you're doing anything that's like trying to keep people safe?
Starting point is 00:53:51 You're just like, you found a hole through the system and it hasn't been made illegal yet. I hope that's a hard case. I hope that's a rare case that you're talking about. I hope it is too, but I don't think it is. I think it's pretty common that people get set up. I think it's pretty fucking common. I think if they find out you're growing and selling large amounts of blow, you're fucking... It's not just that.
Starting point is 00:54:13 There was a kid who was arrested in Florida. He was 17 years old. He was an honor roll student. He was arrested by an undercover cop who pretended to be his girlfriend. I remember that. Dude. She's 25 years old and hot. Okay? Hot. And this dirty
Starting point is 00:54:27 twat, she got close to this kid and he wanted to give her the weed for free as a gift because she asked him to get her weed. He wanted to give it to her for free. Like, I got it for you. She's like, no, you gotta have the money. Please take the money. So he takes the money. Boom. He's arrested. What an asshole. She's a sociopath. She's just a raging
Starting point is 00:54:44 cunt. And she thought she was just doing her job. She was doing her job. He's an honor roll student, okay? No weed in his system. He wasn't a drug dealer in any way, shape, or form. He just met a girl and he was in love with her. And one of the reasons why he was in love with her is because he probably understood that she was a woman.
Starting point is 00:54:59 It probably was confusing to him. Fucking 17. 25. When you've got a 25-year-old, that's the holy grail. You'll do anything. Well, he didn't know she was 25. I'll cut my pinky off. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:55:09 He didn't know she was 25. She was probably fucking him. Or teasing him. Teasing him. She was so powerful. The amount of influence that a 25-year-old woman... You'll do anything. You're in love.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Yeah. The amount of influence a 25-year-old woman has over a 17-year-old boy is fucking staggering. Of course. I mean, she's like a wizard. Of course. She got this poor fucking kid to go to a drug dealer. There was kind of a backlash, wasn't there, about that? Oh, yes, of course.
Starting point is 00:55:33 But nobody got arrested. Nobody lost their job. It was called Operation D- or something like that, something stupid, dumb cunts. 21 Jump Street, some fucking bullshit. So stupid, man. It's the idea that your tax dollars... Well, Mexico now, I think Mexico now is dealing with the violence of the drugs.
Starting point is 00:55:53 I think the underwritten law is, look, you can sell drugs, stop fucking cutting heads off and leaving them in squares. Well, it's all because it's illegal. I mean, it's the same thing that happened in the 1920s with alcohol. It's the same fucking thing. When it's illegal, it's going to attract those kinds of people. Those kinds of people that are willing to kill anybody they have to. Do you watch that
Starting point is 00:56:14 Boardwalk Empire? No, I haven't watched it yet. Good show. I'm obsessed right now in watching I'm on my fourth season of Breaking Bad, and that's a mind-blowing show to me. It's a mind-blowing show to me it's a mind-blowing show you know you know what's just as good homeland i hear i've seen five episodes i'm waiting to watch that claire danes is a badass bitch yeah she is fucking badass yeah
Starting point is 00:56:37 that chicken actor fucking ass off she might be the best female actor on the planet earth really yeah i would say i'm god i got my money on that crazy bitch. Especially if she's playing crazy. Dude, she gets an A plus five stars. Don't tell me, because that's my next thing. Dude, that's my next thing. She is fucking badass. There is some fucking great TV out there. There is now.
Starting point is 00:56:57 I don't know what's going on. Why is there so much good stuff? I think because movies are so impossible to make. Is that what it is? Yeah, you can't get money for them. You can never get the actor you want you can't get the you can't do anything except that it's it's corporate you know but the money speaks and and that's what counts and so you want to you want to do a movie and they you have this great actress in mind like uh claire danes and they go no it has to be heather graham because she's popular overseas and you're like what the fuck am i doing so all the talent has moved to TV.
Starting point is 00:57:27 People are like, I'm going to make TV. Fuck film. Well, it's also when you do a film, you've got to go somewhere for six months, and it sucks, and you're working all day. At least if you're doing a TV show. And then nobody will watch. You get one shot, and the bad reviews, you're fucked, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:40 If you're doing a TV show, you can film it somewhere. You go somewhere, and you get a house there, and maybe this is your new place where you live, but at least you can have a home. Right. These people that like Kevin James, I talked to him. He's like six months in one hotel, six months in another hotel. He stays in hotels for months.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Yeah. Fuck that. I just did it. I was just at the Lowe's in Atlanta. Wow. It's not good. It's not fun. Even if you're staying in a suite, it's never what you want. Yeah, I don't mind when I do gigs on the road, I stay in a hotel for a weekend, and then I go back home.
Starting point is 00:58:09 That's fine. That's easy. But that six-month shit, that shit's for the birds. No way. People don't realize that a weird lifestyle, the acting professional. I always say, if people saw how movies are really made, the People magazine and Us magazine, they'd all be out of business. Because it's not as glamorous. You're literally shooting a page a day, maybe,
Starting point is 00:58:29 which means you're doing the same thing over and over again. And it's just not... Well, if it's a great movie, though, it's really fun. Like, even... Which wasn't a great movie, but the movie Zookeeper that I did,
Starting point is 00:58:41 the little kids movie with Kevin, it was fun. Because I like Kevin. He's fun, and it was a fun movie to do. It was fun because I like Kevin. He's fun. And it was a fun movie to do. It was fun. We were silly. Well, if you're around comedians,
Starting point is 00:58:49 by the way, it's great. You can also be around a bunch of actors. Like my, one of the guys I did the movie with, I didn't tell you this. One of the guys, I won't say his name, but I did the movie with Rod Along.
Starting point is 00:59:00 He had just been in Lincoln with Daniel Day-Lewis. On that set,iel day lewis he spoke to daniel day lewis you know what he talked about current events in 1865 okay that's everybody referred to him as mr president so he was completely in character uh-huh uh-huh and that that whole that whole place was current event that set was quiet unless Spielberg was talking to the actor. It was quiet from what I hear. Keep it.
Starting point is 00:59:30 You can keep you, your wig, your character, and your fucking movie. Your mole. I got no fucking, I got no attention span anyway, so I would have been fired immediately because I would have been fucking around the whole time. I'm not into acting. I just want to hang out and get paid and be a silly goose. You don't want to do serious work. By the way, I had such a good time on this thing.
Starting point is 00:59:50 You know Ice Cube. He's a great guy. Lawrence Fishburne, who happens to be a fan of yours. Did I tell you this? Yeah, you did. Loves you. That's awesome. Yeah, that was cool.
Starting point is 00:59:58 It was good. Then I got to eat dinner with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, you told me that too. That's pretty cool. That seems pretty strange. I was with John Leguizamo, and he he told me that too. That's pretty cool. That seems pretty strange. I was with John Leguizamo, and he goes, just stick around. Somebody's coming around. He comes by with his assistant, sits down, has a little cup of butternut squash soup,
Starting point is 01:00:11 and I talk to him about California politics. Now, he's doing another version of Conan. No. Yeah, yeah. He's going to do Conan again. Old Conan? Yeah, old Conan. See, there was Robert E. Howard, the guy who wrote Conan, wrote Conan through his whole life.
Starting point is 01:00:26 He died at 30 and actually committed suicide at 30. No, I mean Conan. Wrote Conan's life. From a young man to an old king. So he's going to do the old king version. And he's going to go and play Conan towards the end. Because that was like in a lot of the older books, some of the best books, in fact. Great books, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:48 Some of the, not the older books, the more recent books before he ended it in his 30s, yeah. Yeah, that 30s. But he had written about Conan as being, you know, a king sitting on the throne and forced back into action again. I believe he was in his 60s. Yep, I remember. I remember that.
Starting point is 01:01:04 I read every book that he ever... Did you really? Every single book Robert D. Howard ever wrote. Yeah, I read a lot of his stuff. The Crawl the Conqueror and all that other shit too. Conon the Usurper. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:15 The Conon books were great. They were actually amazing books because especially the way they would open, you just have this description of this giant with smoldering blue, volcanic blue eyes just cutting a path of crimson through all these orcs or whatever this description of this this giant with smoldering blue volcanic blue eyes just cutting a path of crimson through all these sort of these these these orcs or whatever and then he would just stand there and well there was one survivor
Starting point is 01:01:32 and he would stand there and he looked up at the giant with with his his black dreaded hair just covered in blood dreaded in his eyes and he's like who are you and you just he'd always answer the same way he'd go. I am Conan a Sumerian You're like, holy fuck. The writing was really good. Oh, it was the first time I ever read something I was like, holy shit, and I just such a disappointment in my life that I I'm 5 11 170 Well, that's cuz you don't do anything about it. I fucking lift. I lift weights. I've worked out with you And I find there's a level of intensity that you need to come to. Dude, are you kidding me?
Starting point is 01:02:07 You want to fuck around? Anybody want to touch this? The interesting thing about Robert E. Howard is he like, he like stayed at home. He was kind of a shut in. He was like a really weird guy.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Yep, he was. He was also a sickly guy, I think. Yeah. Well, that's why I wrote about this guy. He was invincible. This guy with insane genetics.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Yeah. Who just cut people down with swords. The way he would describe his body too. The muscularity would describe his body, too. The muscularity and stuff. Did you ever see the Vincent D'Onofrio movie where he played Robert E. Howard? No.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Yeah, I forget what it's called. I never saw it. I'll look it up right now. But apparently it's pretty good. A lot of people don't know who Robert E. Howard is. It's really kind of interesting. Well, you know, Conan. The new Conan, the guy looked really good.
Starting point is 01:02:51 He looked like he was a pretty good Conan, but the movie sucked, the fat one. I didn't see it. It's too bad because the whole wide world is the name of the movie. He really does look... That guy's Samoan. I've met him a couple times. I think he's Hawaiian. Is he? Yeah, a lot's Samoan. I've met him a couple times. I think he's Hawaiian.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Is he? Yeah, a lot of Polynesians. He's a big, striking guy, man. Yeah, he's gigantic. In real life, he's just fucking like, you're like, Jesus. He does look like a cartoon character. Yeah, he came to the UFC way back before Conan came out because the UFC was sponsoring the movie.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Or the movie, rather, was sponsoring the UFC. So we interviewed him and shit. The guy was like a legit giant. How about Cain Velasquez? Incredible. Incredible fight. My buddy, Kieran, said to me before the fight, he goes, I said, what's going to happen?
Starting point is 01:03:35 He goes, I think Cain's going to maul him. And he's not going to have a chance to breathe. And I said, what do you mean? He's going to put his head in his chest. And he's just going to put a wrestling pace on him. And he's going to beat the shit out of him. He's not going to step back and reset. That's not what I tell him. Sure enough, just watching someone who's as good and powerful as Junior Dos Santos get
Starting point is 01:03:51 picked up and thrown on the ground by that guy. Well, he caught him. The big thing was not just the wrestling because he wrestled, he got him to the ground and put him down. But yeah, he cracked him. When he cracked him with that right hand, he hurt him bad. And he was never the same again. He never could recover. His endurance never recovered. It says a lot about Junior DeSantos, though, to be able to keep coming back anyway. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:13 And keep fighting like such a – what a stud. No, his heart's amazing. He just got – when you get – people don't understand, like, oh, he was out of shape. Like, you don't know. When you get hit, it removes, like, all your endurance. Like, there's something crazy that happens to you when you get rocked it's like you want to crawl up and die you could be training for six months you could get up every morning and eat blueberries and run sprints up hills but when somebody punches you in the face you'd be like i can't breathe
Starting point is 01:04:37 that's right it's because your system is in full panic mode you just got hit with a piston from a 240-pound Mexican. Blam! I mean, he just uncorked that shit on your chin. Your legs went wobbly. Sparks went through your brain. You're barely conscious right now. Barely conscious. So when he picks you up
Starting point is 01:04:56 and then dumps you on your back, now you lost even more consciousness. You're barely hanging on. He's thumping you in the fucking head. So at the end of the round, when the bell ends and you get up, he was barely there. Your head can only take so much.
Starting point is 01:05:09 He got cracked with a couple big punches. I was so impressed that he was still there for the fifth round. So many guys would have found a way out. So many guys would have just curled up. It took so much character and courage to stay in there with that guy. And he started to get a second wind. On the fourth and fifth rounds, he started to get a second wind.
Starting point is 01:05:26 He was starting to throw some dangerous punches. They didn't really connect clean. But, man, if they did, it could have changed a lot of shit. He threw a couple left hooks. I was like, God damn it. If one of those hits, we might see a totally different fight. That's right. That's happened.
Starting point is 01:05:39 We've seen that. Brendan Schaub's last fight. Brendan Schaub's last fight, he was, I think it was his last fight, where he was fighting Big Ben Rothwell. And he cracked Big Ben Rothwell. And they were in a gunfight. And all of a sudden, boom, Rothwell uncorks his fucking big left hook and he's down. Like it can happen that suddenly.
Starting point is 01:05:58 That's right. Especially with heavyweights. Well, because heavyweights have the same kind of head. I mean, you know, Brendan's head isn't that big. I always tease him because his head is normal size to his huge body. I sent him a video the other day. I was like, Brendan, listen, I can't remember what I said, but I'll actually see him tonight.
Starting point is 01:06:12 But, you know, and he's a 6'5", 250, and just a sick athlete. But, you know, when you get hit with a head, your head can only take so much. A 250-pound man who knows how to punch, connects with your jaw. I don't give a shit who you are. Did you see Fabio Maldonado versus Glover Teixeira? Did you see that fight? Unbelievable fight.
Starting point is 01:06:31 When was this? It was in Brazil, maybe four or five months ago. Anyway, Fabio Maldonado is getting mauled. Glover Teixeira is a fucking savage. He's beating the shit out of Fabio. I mean, his face is bloody and swollen, takes him down, smashing him. I mean, it's just unbelievable
Starting point is 01:06:49 heart by Fabio for surviving. Glover's destroying him. Glover, in the next round, he fucks around and drops his hands. And it looks like Fabio is just a dead man. Fabio uncorks his left hook and catches him perfect on the chin.
Starting point is 01:07:08 Glover's legs go like rubber, and he's like reaching forward to hang on. It's like, whoa. Like the fight completely changed with one punch. That can happen, man. First of all, you're not wearing gloves, basically. You're really not wearing gloves. Not much. And when you're in a punch like that, one mistake, one error. That's why MMA to me is so fascinating.
Starting point is 01:07:22 That's why I just love watching it so much. Well, you ever see the Mike Russo, Todd Duffy fight? I don't think so. Greatest one-punch comeback in the history of sports. No doubt about it. Really? Todd Duffy is built like a dude who was created in a lab. I mean, he's unbelievably athletic.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Can you bring him up? Let me see. Just a ridiculous physical specimen. I mean, Todd Duffy's a fucking stud, okay? And he's fighting this guy, Mike Russo, who cop a chicago cop active duty cop okay the maybe one of the toughest human beings on the planet because todd is hitting this motherfucker with everything but the kitchen sink and you're talking about todd who's a 240 pound shredded man and he moves like a cat and he is on cork and bombs on Russo right for three rounds this goes on and somehow another Russell survives
Starting point is 01:08:10 with a broken arm this is the cop yeah yeah his left arm is broken and he hits Mike hits Todd Duffy with one punch and drops him Todd Duffy's unconscious with one punch follow look at Duffy follows up and she drops a hammer fist on him with his broken hand He shame about his body. Why did you show the American man from Atlantis? Yeah, he's gigantic man He's so this this this guy like and in middle of nowhere Uncorks this one punch and turns the whole fight around like that that can't happen in any other sport that's right and look at his chin that dude looks like he takes a vicious beating yeah so the fact that that can happen in the third round even when
Starting point is 01:08:53 the guy was built like that he just won todd duffy just won he um he looked fucking sensational did he yeah yeah yeah he fought he's been he's been good for a while i've seen that kid fight a couple times yeah he fought um uh this dude phil defries who's a really good jiu-jitsu guy, and he knocked him out. He looked awesome. It's amazing how it's evolved. First fight back in UFC. It's amazing how it's all so much evolved.
Starting point is 01:09:14 You cannot just be a jiu-jitsu guy. You can't just be a boxer. You've got to be everything. Yeah, there's not a lot of room for a one-dimensional fighter anymore. It's always changing. I was thinking about Jon Jones. Jon Jones has got to worry about Cain Velasquez eventually, right? I mean, that's the fight for me.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Yeah. That's the fight. Well, I think Cain and Daniel Cormier as well, because Cormier is going to probably wind up going down to 205. Wow. Cormier is... Strike force. Won at heavyweight, won the Strike Force Grand Prix,
Starting point is 01:09:42 beat Josh Barnett, which is gigantic. How tall is Cormier? Is beat Josh Barnett, which is gigantic. How tall is Cormier? Is he long? No, he's short. Right. I think he's 5'11". It's hard to fight. When you're 5'11", fighting Jon Jones, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 01:09:52 It's very difficult to fight 82-inch arms. Well, he definitely has a nice advantage. It's not just Jon Jones' arms. This is legs. Yeah. And I always talk about, like, there's this reach thing that we do where we measure the reach. But we took it from boxing We need to incorporate like leg length
Starting point is 01:10:08 Because like a guy like John a big part of his game is kicking you and he kicks you from a place where you can't even Touch especially when he's push kicking and it was like sidekicks shit But there and they hurt and he throws that sidekick to the thigh and to the body and he fucked Vitor up with that thing He dropped him to the body with that. Yeah, that's a hard guy to get in on. But Cormier is a monster. If he can be healthy and strong at 205, first of all, his wrestling is world fucking class. I mean, he was in the Olympics.
Starting point is 01:10:36 But he had an issue where he tried to cut weight incorrectly. I think he wrestled at 206 and he had kidney failure. So he's got to be real careful about the way he cuts. If he's going to go down to 205, it's got to be a legit lifestyle change. It can't be him getting silly and trying to dehydrate himself. He's 40 pounds in two days. Yeah, a lot of guys do that, man. A lot of guys do that.
Starting point is 01:10:59 And they are really rolling the dice. Well, Graham Maynard or whatever, that guy, he walks around at 190 or something, right? He's big. He's a big, thick, muscular dude. You know, there's a lot of those guys. Well, I mean, Cowboy, I'm sorry I'm talking out of school, but Cowboy was probably, when I saw him at one point, he was 191 or something like that, and he sucks down to 55.
Starting point is 01:11:18 He's a big dude. Yeah, he's tall and long, too. But he makes it, no problem, and he can go for three rounds hard at 55. So he's not, whatever he's doing, he can, you know, he can keep doing that. It's like Benson Henderson, same thing, the champ. He loses quite a bit of weight as well, but he's very healthy and disciplined, and now he does it. So the results are, you know, when he's actually in the octagon, he can go five rounds, no problem.
Starting point is 01:11:44 By the way, guess who I'm having on my podcast? Who? Sugar Ray Leonard. Oh, that's interesting. The Brian Callen Show. Thank you, Joe. Powerful Brian Callen Show. Not man thoughts anymore.
Starting point is 01:11:53 Man thoughts. It's called fucking the Brian Callen Show. I was like, you know what? This man thought thing is not that sustainable. I'm not really having man thoughts. It's so fucking weird, and it was given to me by my – I love my manager manager but I was like I don't know
Starting point is 01:12:06 it's just a little too contrived I can't be contrived it's gotta be just Brian Callen you can't ever listen to your managers and I love him he's great
Starting point is 01:12:13 he's smart but when they tell you the creative things you gotta go thanks it just doesn't sit well with me where I feel like I'm trying to pull one over
Starting point is 01:12:19 on fans where I'm like it's called Man Thoughts I'll be able to brand it I'll be able to have my t-shirts it'll be the man stalker, man thoughts class.
Starting point is 01:12:27 What did you call before that? And you called something else? The Brian Cowens show. Before that? No. No? I called you and I was like, maybe I should call it
Starting point is 01:12:34 The Questions with Brian Cowens. You were like, shut the fuck up. Just call it. And I was trying to come up with a format for it, but I've been having fun just having conversations.
Starting point is 01:12:43 Yeah, like Ari Shaffir is the skeptic tank. I'm like, what is that? You're not really that skeptical. I don't know, because I wish I was specific. I'm too fucking all over the place. But I'm excited about, what do you think I should ask Sugar Ray?
Starting point is 01:12:53 I got a lot of questions for him. Just talk to him. What's your favorite bubble gum? Yeah, that's a good question. What's that? What's your favorite bubble gum? Yeah, what's his toughest fight? Well, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:02 you'll have some good conversations with him, I'm sure. Don't worry about it. But the good thing is that you're all over the place. That's a good thing. Yeah. I mean, it makes these conversations so varied. That's what people love. You know, they don't want you.
Starting point is 01:13:12 If you were only like a history guy and you were only talking about only history, I mean, how many podcasts on history can you listen to? Not many. Before you're like, do you guys talk about stinky pussy ever? Is there a stinky pussy conversation to be had here? Is there a stinky pussy conversation? Apparently, Eddie Bravo's last one, I told you, he went on that whole stinky pussy ever? Is there a stinky pussy conversation to be had here? Is there a stinky pussy conversation? Apparently Eddie Bravo's last one, I told you, he went on that whole stinky pussy, dirty feet, stinky foot.
Starting point is 01:13:30 He has one of the greatest stinky pussy, stinky feet stories ever. Oh, my God. About having sex with a stripper in a backseat of a car when she had a yeast infection and her feet stunk. Could you have been stripping all night? You know what's funny about that? It doesn't stop a man. No.
Starting point is 01:13:44 You know, you're like, ah, fuck it. Let me just hold my breath. How many times have you been in a girl and you smell shit? You smell her butt. It's like she didn't wipe it well. And you look down, and you can see a little bit of shit on her.
Starting point is 01:13:53 It's happened to me. It's happened to me. And guess what? Didn't affect my heart on one bit. That can be pretty gross. I still have a vision of this little dab of shit that I saw on my girlfriend's ass when I was like 21. That's a huge problem.
Starting point is 01:14:08 I still can remember it. You know what happened to me? You know what happened to me? I was in New York City, and I remember meeting this girl, sexy, and then we were making out, and then we had sex, and then then I turned her over and she had a hairy ass. And I'm talking about thick black hairs and I was like... All over her ass? It was all over her cheeks.
Starting point is 01:14:32 It was thin, but it was there. And then she had a real, real hair and the old crackeroo. And I was like, this is like fucking a guy and I couldn't fucking do it. I just was like... that just came to me. How hot was she?
Starting point is 01:14:48 I haven't thought about that in a long time. How hot was she on a one to ten? Who knows? Seven for the story. For the story, seven. Yeah, until she turned over, and then she was a guy. And that made her, you know, not attractive. That made her a ten.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Wow. So what did she say when you- I didn't say a goddamn thing. No, what did she say when you sort of stopped? I don't know. I can't remember. I just remembered this story. So if I said it, I'd be making it up.
Starting point is 01:15:10 But I know me. I know I probably did the old, ah, my fucking stomach. Or, ah, this condom's burning my dick. I'm bad with latex. I had something like that. I gotta get out of here. I gotta get out of here.
Starting point is 01:15:21 I think I'm gonna throw up. I think I'm poisoned. I think somebody poisoned me. There's been some people that have been thinking about poisoning me. Oh, look, a hairy ass. A hairy ass. What in your fucking mind? How about looking in the mirror?
Starting point is 01:15:35 Sometimes you gotta check the backside. Well, you are my age, so you remember back in the high school days where no one ever took care of their pussy. No one shaved. You'd get these maws. And by the way, I didn't care. Porn changed that, right? Porn changed that for all women. Is that what it was?
Starting point is 01:15:51 Yes. Women didn't shave their pussies back then. A lot of women shaved their pussy. I mean, I don't think it's all women. I think some women are like feminist holdouts. They're like, you know, like, I don't feel like I should, you know. Any girl's getting laid is shaved.
Starting point is 01:16:07 That's not true. There's a lot of girls out there with hairy boxes. I like to say general things. And dudes who just deal with it. Just take it. If it's not too bad. Like, what if she has naturally not that much hair? It's fine. Not that bad.
Starting point is 01:16:19 She's like Norwegian or some shit. It's fine. From Iceland. Little tiny thin white hairs. Yeah, it's fine Barely It was a shit But if she's Greek
Starting point is 01:16:27 She's a girl If she's Italian Greek women are so beautiful You ever been to Greece? I lived there You lived there? For three years Did you really?
Starting point is 01:16:34 Yeah in Athens And then I went to the islands I remember the islands What'd you do in Greece? My dad was working there But when my How old were you? I went
Starting point is 01:16:44 I was in fourthth, 5th and 6th grade I think in Greece were you getting laid then? all the time no really? never
Starting point is 01:16:49 but I went back to the islands and I went to Mykonos I remember and I was 21 or 22 20 and it was the
Starting point is 01:16:57 one of the greatest trips of my life and I've never seen I've never seen more beautiful women in my life really? in my life
Starting point is 01:17:04 because they were Italian, French and you've been to Vegas and I've been to Vegas and Rhode Island and I've never seen more beautiful women in my life. Really? In my life. Because they were Italian, French, and... And you've been to Vegas. And I've been to Vegas. And Rhode Island. Yes. Wow. Vegas, by the way, is underrated. Vegas has some of the best looking women you'll ever see. Well, they're not really. They come from all over the world. That's true. That's what it is. It's like a center point
Starting point is 01:17:19 for attention. We're gonna party. We're gonna party. Glitzy shit. I went there. When I go to Vegas I play pool.
Starting point is 01:17:29 Did you? Yeah. It's one of the last places we can play pool 24 hours a day. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Vegas has 24 hour pool halls. Those don't really exist in most parts of the world. Right. They're done.
Starting point is 01:17:38 It's over. New York used to have a gang of them. L.A. had one. The last time we had one in L.A. was the L.A.
Starting point is 01:17:43 earthquake. I've never gone to Vegas for pleasure. It's always been work. Yeah? yeah i don't gamble you know so i've gone to vegas for fights back in the day yeah me too before i used to work for the ufc yeah oh that's right where did we go where do we go to see yes it was before i was working for them yeah yeah back in the day we had some. I remember you and I going to one. We went to one in Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
Starting point is 01:18:07 when a guy named Randy Couture had his first fight, I think. Yeah. And I remember we went. You and I were at the one where Randy Couture beat Vitor Belfort. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. And Vitor was like, back then.
Starting point is 01:18:19 That was when Vitor was like 240 pounds. Yeah. He was putting some Lucky Charms into cereal every morning. Fucking, I mean, here's this guy with size 8 feet at 240. He looked like a lion. The color of a plum. His neck was like a lion's neck. It was ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:18:37 He's a stud. But then I guess his trainer, who was 34 years old, died of a heart attack, I think. Well, it was this this big giant bodybuilder dude that he used to hang around with we used to call him garden hoses because he had these arms with veins that looked like garden hoses it was unbelievable you looked at him and you're like how is that a human
Starting point is 01:18:56 he was so big and he was probably the one helping Vitor could be get bodybuilder big well it's interesting the whole debate on performance enhancing drugs and testosterone and stuff like that. What's really interesting about it is it's jumped the fence
Starting point is 01:19:12 into the women's division now. Because, you know, Ronda Rousey is the women's champ. They opened up 135 pounds for women now. So she's going to headline the first ever women's, like first women's fight is going to headline a UFC. And it's going to headline the first ever woman's like first woman's fight is going to headline a ufc and it's going to be in anaheim and at 135 is where she's the champ but at 145 was that cyborg chick the one who's built like a dude yeah but she got popped for steroids yeah so now they're trying to see if they can get cyborg to drop to 135 but she's like i can make 135 where
Starting point is 01:19:44 is she from? Brazil. Yeah, I don't like that fight for Ronda Rousey. First of all, because I love Ronda Rousey because I have a huge crush on Ronda Rousey. Jay Moore, I did his podcast. He's like, if you were dating her, how would you date somebody you know could kick your ass? I go, I would train every single day, and in a year or two years, I'd figure her out, and I'm still a 170-pound man, and I would be just fine on the mat as far as even as great as she is
Starting point is 01:20:07 as a guy I'll take the beating because I love her. Do you think she could tap you? Right now? Yes. I don't train I haven't rolled. How can you walk out there living with that thought in your head? That's why I'm training that's why I just bought a bunch of mats. Are you joking me? Of course.
Starting point is 01:20:23 But I gave that ghost up a long time ago. I mean, I just knew I was never going to be, you know, but... A female champion. I just got too many friends who are fighters.
Starting point is 01:20:30 I see what they can do to me. And yeah, I'm not going to be... I could never... Even Ronda, to me, is so pretty, I would never want to punch her in the face. She's just too hot to me.
Starting point is 01:20:39 Yeah. And I love her. She'd pay you back while you're sleeping. She'd kick my... Yeah, that's right. You couldn't... If you cheated on her or something, I'd be so fucking... You'd have to be really worried about... She'd break your back while you're sleeping. She'd kick my foot. Yeah, that's right. You couldn't. If you cheated on her or something, I'd be so fucking angry.
Starting point is 01:20:46 You'd have to be really worried about... She'd break your arm. Yeah. She's picking, like, three different chicks' arms in fights. Is she dating anybody? I don't know. Misha Tate's another one I think is adorable. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:56 She's got a boyfriend who's an MMA fighter. Brian Calloway. Really cool guy. Yeah, he was on Ultimate Fighter. How's she doing? How's her arm? It's fine. Yeah, she's back. I don't like seeing girls hurt each other. I hate that shit. Yeah, well was on Ultimate Fighter. How's she doing? How's her arm? It's fine. Yeah, she's back.
Starting point is 01:21:05 I don't like seeing girls hurt each other. I hate that shit. Yeah, well, when Ronda does it, you know where she's going to do it, too. She's the armbar assassin. She just goes for armbars. It's hard to protect against. It's hard to get an armbar against high-level black belts, too. Well, when she was a little girl, you know, her mother raised her.
Starting point is 01:21:20 And her mother raised her to be a judo champion. Her mother was a judo champion. When she was a little girl, she would wake her up and make her do arm bars Wow wake her up like catch an arm bar here go get it and she would like throw her hips up and throw up like wow really yeah oh she's been doing it since she's a baby she's a baby there's like a fluidity and efficiency when someone is really fucking good at something like that that she has like when she swings her legs over for that shit she's done that a hundred million times she just whips that leg over man 10 000 hours yeah
Starting point is 01:21:50 there's certain moves man it's really funny but the way you can relate it is tying your shoes you know how you tie your shoes you don't think about tying your shoes you don't think well i'm gonna bend this i'm gonna loop it with that and then i'm gonna go through that you don't think about it you just go like that and your shoes are tied well that's what happens with fighting too that same thing yeah when you fight even if you've been wrestling and somebody grabs you i i move to the side i'll i'll be working your arm you know you just kind of have a reaction to it yeah and with especially a lot of people have like pet moves you know they have this one move they could just hit it you know joe lowes on you see the last joe low Lozon fight? He had that crazy diving heel hook.
Starting point is 01:22:26 That kid's a stud. He's a tough kid, man. He's very tough. But, but, um. So is Miller. Miller's a fucking savage. Yeah, he's tough. That was his best fight to date.
Starting point is 01:22:34 I mean, unbelievable, unbelievable fight. He is as tough as it gets. It's explosive, too. Back and forth. It was crazy. It was complete insanity. What a fight. There's so many killers in these divisions that being a fighter is so fucking difficult.
Starting point is 01:22:46 But one of the things GSP does is, I think what makes him so good is he'll find out where your strength is and just not engage that strength. Yeah, and do things that you don't expect. He's so good at mixing up the takedowns and the stand-up. He's going to fight Nick Diaz, and that's going to be a tough one for Nick Diaz. Fuck yeah, it's going to be exciting. You should come. I will, because Nick Diaz is my love. You be a tough one for Nick Diaz. Fuck yeah, it's going to be exciting. You should come. I will because Nick Diaz
Starting point is 01:23:06 is my favorite. You want to come? It's in Montreal. When is it? Yes. March? I'll tell you right now. I've got to make sure
Starting point is 01:23:12 I'm not doing a gig. Yeah, I think it's like March 15th or some shit. March 16th. March 16th in Montreal. If you want, you can do a gig with me
Starting point is 01:23:23 the night before. You know what? Yeah, because then I have to be in... Wait, March 16th? Montreal if you want you could do a gig with me the night before You know what yeah, because I and then I have to be in Wait March 16th. Yeah old Eddie if by March what March what what is it? March 16th, and we could do a theater together on the 50. Oh, dude. That's great. Okay. I'm gonna do it I'm free. Yeah, are you and me that would be fun? Okay We're gonna book something because I was just gonna book a comedy club because I have I have to give these people
Starting point is 01:23:46 a whole lot of new material because I was just in Montreal recently but it'll just force me to write we'll have some fun Montreal's great did you see Eddie Yip's on the show tonight
Starting point is 01:23:54 yeah and now also Eddie's joining us on the Ice House show beautiful tickets at Ice House you want to interrupt us and talk about something about yourself
Starting point is 01:24:00 in the middle of us nothing yes the 10 minute podcast oh it did really well we were in the top 3 we were in top Me? Yes. Nothing? Yes, the 10-minute podcast. Oh, it did really well, right? We were in the top three. We were in top three comedies of 2012, so listen. You were in top three new comedies. Yeah, top three new comedies of 2012, which was really cool. That's awesome, man.
Starting point is 01:24:13 Yeah, it was good, and we're coming up on our 100th episode. How often do you guys do it? You know, we meet every two weeks and- Do a bunch of them? Yeah. And then who puts them out? Will Sasso. So he edits them and everything?
Starting point is 01:24:25 Yeah, he edits. He does it all. He's a nut. Really? And he's just fucking hilarious. And all of them are 10 minutes long. Yeah, I think Will Sasso, to me, and I'm not bullshitting,
Starting point is 01:24:34 I think he's truly the most, he's like the most talented actor, comedian, and all around talent I've ever been around. I've never seen anybody sing. He can dance. He can fucking do impressions.
Starting point is 01:24:48 Well, there's two problems right there. I don't need to see you singing. Right. Well, that's what I mean. But he can do basically everything, and nobody knows it. Why is that? It's just his business. But he's as good.
Starting point is 01:24:58 He can do anything anybody out there can do as well or better, including Daniel Day-Lewis. I could do anything. Dude, he's sick. Including Daniel Day-Lewis? You think he can do it? I think if you gave Will a role he had to be great in, I think he would win an Oscar. Really?
Starting point is 01:25:16 I think he's... I think you're in love. I think he's Oscar caliber. I've actually, honestly, never seen anybody that talented. And he does shit... He does shit out of nowhere on the podcast. It's fucking way better than me. You're having a lot of man thoughts.
Starting point is 01:25:29 I'm just telling you, man. He'll do shit like out of the blue on the podcast where I go, how the fuck is he doing this? How is he coming up with this? It kills me. He's amazing. Do you guys know about this whole Al Jazeera Current TV thing? No.
Starting point is 01:25:40 It's really fascinating. Current TV, which is Al Gore's network, he just sold that shit to Al Jazeera. No way. So now Al Jazeera has access to millions of U.S. viewers. All right. It's really kind of fascinating. And I think Time Warner dropped them or Cox Cable dropped them. I shouldn't speak out of school, so let me Google this real quick.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Language and Media Wars. Yeah. Cox drops. Al Jazeera drops. Didn't, what's his name, didn't Morgan Stanley buy the Washington Post recently, Jamie Diamond? Who did? I thought Jamie Diamond of Morgan Stanley and Morgan Stanley bought. Really? Yeah, can you look that up?
Starting point is 01:26:19 Time Warner dropped Current TV. So Time Warner Cable dropped them because Al Jazeera bought them. That's fascinating. Meanwhile, Al Jazeera has good fucking news. I listen to Al Jazeera. They seem to have pretty unbiased news, which is something that American, we could fucking use. Yes, we could.
Starting point is 01:26:39 Well, the problem is that, like we always talk about, it really does seem like not only are corporations, corporate interests have never been, corporate power has never been so concentrated. Campbell's Soup controls 70% of all the shelf space for soup. Colgate-Palmolive, I believe, control 83% of all the soap and toothpaste you buy. Coors and Anheuser-Busch are the distributors of all beer. And so they have such power and concentrations of money and power that it's very easy to manipulate government to give yourself an advantage in the marketplace. And that goes along with news as well.
Starting point is 01:27:19 Yeah, and I hope that's not happening with news, but it seems it is. Oh, well, it's been for a while. I mean, with Fox News being completely right-leaning, I mean, there's no doubt about it. That's the threat to our democracy. I was watching Fox News, and they were joking around about, can we get rid of the president? This was right after the election, and they were like,
Starting point is 01:27:40 someone said something, and someone said, well, can we send the president over there, too? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Like, I don't can we send the president over there too? Ha ha ha ha ha. Like, I don't think we can. Ha ha ha ha ha. Right. But it was like. It's supposed to be news.
Starting point is 01:27:49 It's supposed to be unbiased. Exactly. It's not just supposed to be news, but what they're joking around about is not really even funny or a joke. And what they're doing is just letting everyone know that much like you, we are upset with this win, this victory, because the victory of Obama does not go along with the programming of this network. Well, by the way, networks now, news program networks, a famous story of what in the 70s, when it was good news,
Starting point is 01:28:20 they came in and said 60 Minutes for the first time got really high ratings, bad news for the first time we got high ratings. In other words, news has now become something you can sell advertising on. Never should be the case. And, in fact, news has now become entertainment. You also have a channel called CNN or Fox that has to fill content with a lot of stuff over 24 hours. But then again, what's the option? The option is like PBS, which sucks a fat dick.
Starting point is 01:28:44 The option? I don't know the option. Not all of PBS sucks. I do, which sucks a fat dick. The option? I don't know the option. Not all PBS sucks. I do think it's up to consumers. NPR? I think it's up to just educating yourself. I love NPR, but it's up to educating yourself. Stop it.
Starting point is 01:28:53 You don't love NPR. There's a lot of NPR that is filled with people who talk like this. This is NPR. We don't have emotions. We don't have feelings. We're just giving you the facts. We are live from Afghanistan. My pussy is so wet right now. We don't have feelings. We're just giving you the facts. We are live from Afghanistan We're my pussy so it's not there's nothing about
Starting point is 01:29:09 NPR that's exciting because they don't have to compete so they're not interesting They're not entertained. Well, I listen for you know, sometimes you listen just because they got interesting perspectives or authors and stuff Yeah, well, they're allowed to do things because it's you know, it's sort of Public public funded. They can get away with things that you can't get away with if you're competing in the public market. Well, they can get into segments like in-depth and stuff. A lot of times these news programs have to keep everything in a chunk because they have to cut to advertising.
Starting point is 01:29:37 So you get bumper sticker, very kind of periphery ideas of what's really going on on the ground, and I don't think it's the best way to get your news. Well, it's also what National Public Radio does. It's so boring, and they interject all these ads, like these pledge drives and shit. Yeah, that's only four times a year. But it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:29:58 When it happens, they need to go podcast style. That's what they should have done. The podcast is the answer to all that shit, because there's no way you can have a conversation with someone like we're doing in any other format. There's no way you can have a three-hour open-ended conversation. They don't exist. They fucked it up with this.
Starting point is 01:30:15 Are you okay over there? Are you just trying to make noise? They fucked it up with being boring and they fucked it up with their pledge drives that make your brain bleed. There's a fucking Terrence McKenna interview, and I swear to God, this guy, every five minutes, interrupts Terrence McKenna and says,
Starting point is 01:30:34 and if you're enjoying this conversation with Terrence, this is one of the things that we offer here, and if you could just donate some of your money, we may not be able to bring you these kind of conversations. But that's better than having advertisement every time you have a show. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. Every five minutes, this fucking douchebag doing that.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Well, no, but that's literally a week out of every four months. I don't know if that's the case. But in this guy with this one radio show. I'm a member, so I know. Barf. It's gross. But they got good interviews. Terry Gross always has somebody somebody is exciting on.
Starting point is 01:31:05 Yeah. Of course you owe yourself a question. Give them 50 bucks a month. They should be able to delete those stupid pledge drives from you. You should be able to press a green button. Well, they actually have a lot of power. Let's pass right through. I heard recently.
Starting point is 01:31:16 My new decision is now I try not to have an opinion unless I've read at least two books on something. And even when you read a book, it's so funny. I mentioned to you Republic Lost, Lawrence Lessig's book. I'm trying to get him on my fucking podcast. He's so fucking smart. But he just talks about the only issue we should be talking about is money in politics, right? And all donations should be anonymous.
Starting point is 01:31:37 He's got different ideas about it. But he just makes a really good case of all the stuff that we talk about, about concentration of corporate power, about what money does. When you're a congressman, it's not about being a Democrat or Republican. You spend all your time basically raising money to get elected again and just kind of what it does and stuff. But I just find that so many issues that you try to get into, like this gun issue and stuff like that, they're fucking complicated. And trying to really earn an opinion takes a lot of investigation. A lot of times I don't have time to do it.
Starting point is 01:32:06 There are so many different perspectives to look at. Sam Harris just wrote a very interesting and really well thought out piece about it. If you go to Sam's webpage, I think it's samharris.org, you can download it and read it. It made some really good points. About guns? Yeah, well, about the whole issue, what we're dealing with. Well, Nicholas Kristof had a really interesting article that I kind of got my attention.
Starting point is 01:32:31 We're in Australia in 1982. Forgive me if I'm getting the dates wrong. 1984 to 1996. In 1984 to 1996, in 12 years, they had, I think, 16 or 19 mass shootings, culminating with 35 people being killed in one time in 96. It was a huge thing in Australia. And they passed, I believe, three different measures. One was a 28-day waiting period, I think.
Starting point is 01:32:54 Another was the type of weapon you can actually get. And then they bought back 650,000 guns. And by the way, everybody, I'm paraphrasing the article. I don't know if that's exactly, but it was three major issues. And since then they've had no mass shootings. I'm just saying, when I hear that, I go, the only thing I say is I go, I don't know if that's the answer. I just say that I don't like when the NRA says, well, there's nothing we can do about crazies. Yeah, there is. There's got to be a way to solve this problem. I don't feel like having my kid not be safe at school. There's got to be something something there's a discussion to be had about we already have caps on lethality you can't buy a fully
Starting point is 01:33:28 automatic machine gun unless you have a really intricate license and go to a lot of stuff you can't actually carry a gun out in the open unless you're in arizona and even that's difficult right we do have laws on the books is is there is there a discussion to be had about, you know, I don't know. I'm very careful with this because I just don't fucking know because I own guns. There's a real issue, though. I mean, it's what we were talking about earlier. There's a real issue that people have one side or the other. You know, I've seen so many tweets that were like, well, too bad.
Starting point is 01:33:59 If you like hunting, get a new hobby. Like, I actually saw that. Somebody wrote that. Fuck people having guns. If you like hunting, get a new hobby. I actually saw that. Somebody wrote that. Fuck people having guns. If you like hunting, get a new hobby. That kind of stupidity exists, too. There's one side that doesn't want to give at all, and there's the other side that doesn't want to give at all.
Starting point is 01:34:18 And somewhere along the line, again, like I said, the real issue is mistaken and overlooked. And that issue is, what the fuck is happening to people that it's allowing them to do that. What is allowing someone to completely lose their humanity? Because it doesn't just have to be a gun. You know, Timothy McVeigh did it with fertilizer. Sure. Guy did it in China, 22 kids with a knife. With a knife.
Starting point is 01:34:41 Yeah. There's a lot of ways you could kill people. Did you hear about these assholes in Indiana that blew their house up and killed their neighbors? No. Yeah, it's fascinating. Cooking meth? No, no. It's an insurance scam.
Starting point is 01:34:55 They took out all their important paperwork and some valuables and then they opened up the valves of the gas that goes to the stove and the gas that goes to the fireplace and then they set the timer on the microwave so the timer on the microwave went off at a very specific time and when it sparks i don't know if they put like metal in it or something i guess that's what you do um it just blew the house of smithereens and blew the
Starting point is 01:35:22 neighbor's house of smithereens too and killed the neighbors crazy fucking assholes and by the way they didn't think they could figure this stuff out well these dumb fucks left the gas on for hours before the microwave went off so you're talking about a giant cloud of which is wide open gas being pumped into this spot. All the doors shut, all the windows sealed. It was like a gas balloon in there. And so when that bomb went off, I mean, you're talking about it obliterated the house. It's unbelievable. So I talked about it yesterday on the podcast, and somebody put a link up to the actual story.
Starting point is 01:35:59 The actual story is mind-blowing. Damn it. Killed the neighbors too. These fuckheads. Yeah. So they're in jail now for murder. How'd that work out? How'd that insurance scam?
Starting point is 01:36:08 Some people really fuck up. It must be such a surreal thing to be like, I wanted to make some money and now I'm going to be in jail for the rest of my life. You know what they were doing a lot in California? They were getting people and they would slam the brakes on in front of them. People would slam in them and they said, oh, my neck. And they were suing insurance companies. That was like super common.
Starting point is 01:36:26 The other thing they were doing is they'd come in and get some obscure, you'd have a business, mom and pop shop, and they would sue you based on some weird, obscure law
Starting point is 01:36:33 and then get you to settle out of court. Have you ever seen a video of people faking falls? Yes. That's beautiful. I've seen some of those. Supermarkets spilling.
Starting point is 01:36:41 Yeah. Oh, I can't get up. Promise gets wet. You're on fucking video, dum-dum. It's hilarious. Dummy. They didn spilling. I can't get up. Promise gets run. You're on fucking video, dum-dum. It's hilarious. Dummy. They didn't know.
Starting point is 01:36:48 People didn't know how much shit was videotaped until they tried a few of those lawsuits. That's the thing that I notice now in my life in 2013. Everywhere you go, they're watching you. Everywhere you go. Hotels, anywhere you go, you're being watched. Traffic, it's just interesting. Yeah. In some ways, it makes you safer.
Starting point is 01:37:05 In another way, it's like, you know, as long as it's not one central hub and one group of people watching. If it's a lot of different people watching, ah, fuck it. It's a lot of different people watching, but who gets to decide what gets watched, what gets listened to?
Starting point is 01:37:19 Yeah, the cops. Well, Obama just signed a very controversial bill that was five more years of warrantless wiretapping. So that the feds are allowed to just decide to listen in on your phone calls anytime they want. Like, how did that happen? No warrants? Like, are the judges that fucking busy? The idea is that, yeah, that takes a long time.
Starting point is 01:37:40 You've got to go through all these channels. Sometimes they need access immediately. But cops have been proven over and over again to have issues and be corrupt especially What if a cop like liked a girl if you're trying to solve a problem? You're trying to solve a problem. You're gonna fucking do you get like it's like the deer I was supposed to shoot a buck then we were on the other side where you could shoot a doe But I was like I'm not gonna shoot a doe not on camera That was fucking I had three hours the guys you want to shoot a doe I go
Starting point is 01:38:03 I'll fall fucking shoot anything. I'll shoot a human in a deer suit just let me let me open fire on this fucking thing you know you you get an objective and you're going to bend the rules you know that's super common with cops i mean the planting evidence planting guns you gotta this there's got to be a way that you can figure out how you know if someone's telling the truth and right now there's not and since there isn't there you know people can fuck with things and bend things and you have trials human beings are going to take their they're going to fucking you know yeah and you know lie detector tests are inadmissible yeah because you don't have to take them and if you do take them they don't count in court so it's it's not even doesn't matter you can't even bring it up right like i don't even think you're allowed
Starting point is 01:38:40 to bring up polygraphs well because they don't work on sociopathy. They stay really calm. Lying to them is... Because lying is about basically not looking good in front of somebody. You're trying to hide something, and their approval means something to you. Sociopaths don't have that. That's why they can stay so calm under pressure. That's creepy. They're just so fucking calm.
Starting point is 01:39:03 With Bernie Madoff, they were saying that after it was over, like, he didn't give a fuck. Like, he was always like, I want, I need orange juice. Where's my orange juice?
Starting point is 01:39:10 Yeah. Like, they're like, do you realize what the fuck just happened? Yeah. you just robbed people of billions of dollars.
Starting point is 01:39:15 You crushed people's dreams. People are committing suicide, including your son. Yeah. I need an orange juice. Is there orange juice here? Like, it was just,
Starting point is 01:39:21 what he had in his mind, what he wanted. It's a social fact. Apparently, his mind what he wanted to social apparently his wife slipped away she's uh his wife apparently slipped away with some money too well she couldn't i don't think she could even get her nails done where she was living so not where she was living she had to go to another spot but if that bitch moves to beverly hills no one's gonna know who she is nobody gives a fuck around there beverly hills in some ways is the worst place on the planet I've ever been to. In what way?
Starting point is 01:39:47 I've never seen creepier looking people in my life. I've never seen, I just find it just, I went to Barney's because there was a sale. That's my first mistake because I'm going to buy clothes. I never buy clothes. I wear t-shirts and jeans. I'm like, I'm going to go buy. Well, you wear fancy shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:03 I try. With zippers on the side of them. I'm like my Nike freeze right now. And I go, yes, I'm going to go buy. Well, you wear fancy shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try. With zippers on the side of them. Like my Nike freeze right now. And I go, yes, I do, by the way. I was like, I'm going to buy some boots with a zipper on the side. And this is the year I wear a leather shirt jacket. And by the way, I'm going to get some cashmere zipper hoodie sweat cashmere because they are soft and they're sexy.
Starting point is 01:40:21 Blah, blah, blah. Fucking didn't buy anything because I have no patience. I get there. I'm like, I can because I have no patience. I get there. I'm like, I can't try this shit on. I'm exhausted. And meanwhile, you just see these fucking dudes who've never done a push-up, but they're spending a fortune, $700 on shoes. They don't have the scaffolding.
Starting point is 01:40:37 Their bodies are all soft and shitty from chasing that dream and climbing that wall that they don't even want to be on top of. And now they've got money to buy awesome threads, and they're 46 years old. And they've got that great convertible, and they're going to pick up chicks tonight, but they've got to wear fucking ostrich skin boots and, you know, a felt hat with a fucking scarf by Hermes. And you just want to be like, dude, just end it. Jump out that window right now because your presence is depressing me. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:07 Oh, fuck yeah. Hey, listen, I walk around with $30,000 on my body, peasant. Not for me. Yeah, that's a weird thing, isn't it? Showing all the wardrobe, like the wealth, showing the wealth in your clothes. Dude, my buddy told me he spent $140 on a haircut. I remember I never forgot this. He goes, I spent $140 on a haircut, dude, but I feel it's worth it.
Starting point is 01:41:25 I was like, I'm not friends with you anymore. How's that sound? I just on principle can't hang out with you. He said he feels it's worth it? Yeah, they really layered it, though. They knew how to, what do you think of my hair? He was like dead serious. What do you think of my hair?
Starting point is 01:41:38 I was like, how about I punch you in the face? What do you think of a right hand, you fucking idiot? Well, there's something that's very east coast especially where they just don't tolerate preening no you don't fucking that's that is correct sir i told you when i shut up with my my leather fucking awesome leather pants from france and you wore leather pants i was in fucking france and and this this hot saleswoman had me try on a leather jacket and she goes it's really good i go oh merci jacket. And she goes, c'est très joli, c'est très joli. I mean, that's really good.
Starting point is 01:42:06 I go, oh, merci beaucoup. And then she goes, you know, we have, nous avons le pantalon pour toi. I was like, okay, so pants. I put on chocolate suede leather pants, dude, and hold, wait for it, bought a pair of boots that went with them. Meanwhile. There's no boots that go with that. That's exactly right.
Starting point is 01:42:25 I literally... My buddies are like, what the fuck? I come out, my friends are watching hockey, they turn around, they go, fuck has he got on his legs? I go, no, I got these, these are leather pants. They jumped on me as a group without even a signal and pulled them off and threw them out the window.
Starting point is 01:42:39 That was the last time I ever fucking saw my $300 pair of leather pants. Well, that's one of the good things about being on the East Coast, you know? Fuck yeah, it that's one of the good things about being on the East Coast. Fuck yeah, it is. One of the good things about being on the East Coast is there's a lot of shit that they get away with in L.A. that you just couldn't ever get away with. The first time I saw Jimmy Burke when I got home after Mad TV, I decided to wear a fucking hat.
Starting point is 01:43:00 I'm a hat guy now, apparently, because I'm on TV in L.A. What kind of hat? It was a fucking Kangol hat. Oh, Kangol. No, but I had it turned around backwards. And you know what? It doesn't look bad. It's just that it's not me.
Starting point is 01:43:10 I'm not that guy. I never wear hats, and Jimmy knew it. But suddenly, I'm going to wear a fucking hat. And I had an awesome, like, awesome shirt that I bought with, like, cool design. Jimmy could see right away. I walk in, and he goes, dude, it's so fucking good to see you, man. I can't. I'm so proud of you.
Starting point is 01:43:24 Take the fucking hat off right now, or I can't, I'm so proud of you. Take the fucking hat off. Right now, I'm going to slap the shit out of you. Like, didn't even miss a beat. We missed up Jimmy Burke's introduction to the world. We got him too high. He was too high and he didn't know what the fuck to do. Dude, he passed out in the car on the way back. Yeah. A lot of guys
Starting point is 01:43:40 try to go deep with us. They don't know what the fuck they're getting into. We got to get back. We're getting back sober. If you're not a regular marijuana smoker or if you're smoking marijuana from other parts of the country, especially if you're smoking marijuana from a place that doesn't have a medical marijuana program, the odds of you getting really good stuff,
Starting point is 01:43:55 they drop significantly. He hadn't slept. He hadn't eaten. He doesn't smoke a lot of weed. I smoked your weed one time and I was high for seven hours. How about that? That's a good batch. That's how it's supposed to be why would you want some fucking i know i called you i'm like i'm still fucking high i've had two meals you're like that's how we roll son that's not helpful powerful it is you just gotta go with it stop being such a control freak you're right just relax let it go my. Some people are asking me, when you guys went hunting, did you guys smoke weed out there?
Starting point is 01:44:28 No. We actually didn't. You don't need weed. People that think that you need weed always to have a good time, they're just as silly as the people who think you don't need weed to have a good time. You don't always need anything. I want to go shoot hogs in Northern California. Well, dude, we could do that too. We can definitely shoot pigs.
Starting point is 01:44:48 Wild pigs, there's a season. It's 24 hours a day, seven days a week, all year round, especially in Texas. Texas, you could shoot them at night. You put flashlights on them and blast them. You could trap them in Texas. You could shoot them from helicopters. You could do whatever the fuck you want. You could drive in your truck, roll them down the window, and shoot them and blast them. You could trap them in Texas. You could shoot them from helicopters. You could do whatever the fuck you want. You could drive in your truck,
Starting point is 01:45:07 roll them down the window and shoot them out the window. Yeah. They opened up a new highway in Texas and the first night, four people ran into pigs with their cars. On the first night. Four accidents. Those are huge. Huge. 250, 300, easy.
Starting point is 01:45:25 No problem. And just slamming into them at 80 miles an hour. Pigs can get up to, what, 1,200 pounds or something crazy? Oh, yeah. Well, hogzilla. Have you seen hogzilla? I don't know how much that fucking thing weighs, but that's probably more than that. I think a pig will go feral in the wild in like three weeks.
Starting point is 01:45:44 In three weeks? Three weeks. Oh, I thought it weeks? In three weeks? Three weeks. Oh, I thought it was three generations. No, three weeks. They're one of the only animals that physically morphs when it's removed from domestication. Something happens to them. When we're feeding them and we're taking care of them and we keep them in a pen, they stay like white and pink. When they get out in the wild, their hair changes.
Starting point is 01:46:05 Within three weeks, it starts to to happen their hair starts to change their tusks grow and their nose extends it's crazy wow they completely become a different well i think they're also aren't in northern california they have some they have what are we going to be hunting we're not going to be we're going to be hunting the russian well they have there's that there's that as well russian wild boars um they introduced those, but they also started interbreeding with pigs, and that's some of the larger ones. Some of the larger wild pigs that you find are hybrids,
Starting point is 01:46:32 and they said that was about hogzilla was one of those. How do we find them in Northern California? Well, Rinella was telling us that there was a place that he has a friend that has a ranch, and they show up every morning at the river. There's a river that runs through the ranch, and all you do is you get there in the morning, and you go by the river, you wait, or creek, whatever the fuck it is. The pigs show up, and you blast one.
Starting point is 01:46:54 That'll be a short hunting trip, though. So what? I'm not into doing it all day. How about that? I mean, it's fun, but... We were so fucking cold the first night, second night, and we were sleeping in tents. You're taking dumps outside.
Starting point is 01:47:07 The whole thing sucks, eating that shitty food. And we're both freezing. I just hear fucking Joe go, camping below. Yeah, we talked about this before. I know. The first night we did it, the first night we got there, it was pouring rain. I was like, wow, what did we get into?
Starting point is 01:47:22 We're in five days of this. Five days of being just freezing it was so fun getting rained on oh you're fucking fine yeah well that's why people do it you know i always wondered like why are people out there hunting that seems like fucking gross there's no did i have such a respect now for not only hunting but also the animals i was hunting and and for the land you cannot be a good hunter the way those guys hunt and not actually have a deep love. I would argue that guys like Ryan, our guide, and Rinella have a much deeper love and certainly have way deeper understanding of animals, animal behavior, than anybody who doesn't hunt or any vegan.
Starting point is 01:47:56 Well, you have, I don't know, I'd say more. You know, I'd say they definitely have a big love of it and a great appreciation for it. I don't know what other people have, what appreciation a has or i mean everybody's individual i don't think you can really generalize i'm saying it requires a great deal of respect and doesn't necessarily that's why yahoos go hunting too there's a lot of crazy fucks go out there and they get hammered and shoot i was talking what we did what we did and i was impressed with how much we knew what we did is called a fair chase hunt you know but there's people in texas that hunt in a high rank high fence high fence setup like you can have a high fan i saw one that was for sale that was 200
Starting point is 01:48:29 acres yeah that's not that much and in 200 acres there's a gang of deer in there and you wander around through the woods you set up a fucking stand and you have feeders and there's a big thing is the feeders and they six o'clock in the morning you say it's boring i'd eat it i'll do it if i want to eat it i like harvesting that's called harvesting meat well morning, you say it's boring. I'd eat it. I'll do it if I want to eat it. I like harvesting. That's called harvesting meat, not hunting. Well, it's not the same kind of hunting because you know there's animals there, but it's also those animals at least are living a natural life as opposed to the animals that live in a farm.
Starting point is 01:48:56 No, no, no. That's why I mean it's harvesting your natural meat. I'd call it target practice and harvesting natural meat. But hunting to me is kind of what we did, which was the idea of having to not only know where the animals were, how they were going to behave, where they were going to be, getting up early because that's when they forage, all that stuff, glass in the field, going three days without getting a deer,
Starting point is 01:49:17 you know, that stuff. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, what we did, we're still super lucky. You know, we both got a deer the first time we went hunting. I had a friend when I was growing up, David Abel. And David's dad used to go out hunting every fucking year. And this guy never shot a deer. He never shot a fucking deer.
Starting point is 01:49:35 He went every year. The guy was a hunter. And he's like, yeah, my dad's a hunter, but he's never shot a deer. I go, your dad's never shot a deer? No, never shot a deer. How often does he hunt it? Every year. He goes out every year. I'm like, dude, you're doing something fucking way wrong i don't know well it's just people don't know what the fuck they're doing you know ranella is like a legit
Starting point is 01:49:54 hunter you know some people they just go wander through the woods well hope a deer shows up so i can shoot it is this a good spot to stop we'll just stop right here and wait for a deer and you might get lucky a deer might wander in front of you but most likely no especially when you're dealing with like heavily hunted woods you know like big pressure well they know the difference too deer know when they're being hunted you know it's it's much they can smell you like you got to be real careful about the smell there was a couple times like when deer saw you they would like go what the fuck is that they would they would sort of stand around a little bit and look at you but if they smelled you they would fucking bolt because
Starting point is 01:50:30 we smell like killers yeah we eat meat yeah when it's my meteors a deer can really smell that and it's a trip to see we were up this on this ridge and um the wind was blowing behind us and straight towards this deer. And this deer looked at us and started fucking running. Just full clip through the woods. And I was like, is that because we saw him? No, they wouldn't do it if they just saw us. They smelled us. They can smell. That's like elk.
Starting point is 01:50:59 Like you can smell bad pussy. But you know what's similar? Skunks. You know, like people say that our sense of smell is not that strong. It's right, but it is with skunks. A skunk can have like one part per million. You know, like the amount of smell
Starting point is 01:51:13 that a skunk releases from his ass is really not that big, but you can smell it in your car. Oh yeah. You can smell it in your car. It comes right through the air conditioning. When you're driving a half a mile away, a skunk blasts a dog, and you're a half a mile away, and you can smell it in your car. That must have to be how dogs pick up scent.
Starting point is 01:51:29 It is. It is. Supposedly, that's the best. And we can't, normally, we can't really wrap our heads around that until you bring up skunk. And then you go, oh, okay. Why can't I smell that? I can smell the fuck out of some skunk. Like bloodhounds, you know?
Starting point is 01:51:42 Yeah. But you could do that. I mean, imagine if you could do that i mean imagine if you could do that with like fear you know you know where the fear is coming from wow yeah you know or you smell a murderer you know that's what a deer is essentially you know they say that you can smell things and you don't even realize but they register with you like based on your childhood and stuff human beings pick up minuscule they, we still pick up the particle. Pheromones. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:06 And there's a great deal of information in that. Well, the idea of, one of the ideas that was bandied about about schizophrenics was that it was a pheromonal disease and that people smelled you and you smelled wrong. And so they acted weird to you. And so you started thinking, oh oh wow I'm weird because people respond to me weird that's very yeah and there's also I think it's called allophrania and the idea is that if you are around a schizophrenic person like say if you're schizophrenic and I go to visit you in the hospital it's possible that through
Starting point is 01:52:41 me interacting with you I can exhibit schizophrenic behavior, like unknown, unheard of schizophrenic behavior before. You know, you know, um, I remember there was a girl that was, that I could never figure out why I wasn't attracted to her. And she always liked me. I could never pull the trigger. And I realized one day she didn't smell like anything because a friend of mine goes, you know why I don't like her? And I said, why?
Starting point is 01:53:02 He goes, she doesn't smell like anything, dude. She doesn't have any scent. And I was like, and I would hug her and I'd go, and there was nothing, literally she had no scent. I don't even know how to describe it. It was like this, I don't even know how to describe it. It was like, obviously there's a scent, but it was scentless.
Starting point is 01:53:19 It was like, I don't know, man. It was a really wild thing. There is a weird thing that people give off, and I don't know if I'd call it a smell, but I do call, I always say it's like a, I don't know, man. It was a really wild thing. It was a weird thing that people give off. I don't know if I'd call it a smell, but I do call it, I always say it's a smell. Like I could smell the crazy on this bitch. I always say it's a smell, but it's not really a smell. It's like a thing that people give off. Well, it's a rhythm, you know.
Starting point is 01:53:36 Pheromones or whatever that is. Yeah, whatever. That's like Brian Keely. She's like, if that guy doesn't smell right, I'll just be like, fuck it. I don't care how awesome you are. If you don't have the right scent, she's. Well, our friend Patty one time here she ever tell you the story what she was on she was dead I met this guy I actually
Starting point is 01:53:50 knew the guy a little bit she went on a date with this guy like three times and he just didn't smell right he didn't smell right she just didn't like the way he smelled and he ended up dying of AIDS he had aids whoa yeah she smelled him yes she was like i just don't like the way he smells and i i just can't pull the trigger i don't want to kiss the guy i don't want to and then he ended up he turned out he was and i'm not saying all people have aids smell but i'm just this guy was he gay uh no drug user drug user he used to he had used to be and he got it that way but. But he fucking ended up dying of AIDS. Wow.
Starting point is 01:54:26 You know? That's fucking dark. You know, I still can't get anybody to fucking debate Peter Duesberg. Yeah. Matt Stacks has tried time and time again. He has searched out all these researchers, all these doctors. I've gotten people that are apparently researchers that have heard slurs at me and fucking said that I'm almost guilty of murder by having him on.
Starting point is 01:54:50 And I was like, look, I don't have an opinion. I've said it, and I'll say it again, with the AIDS thing or with HIV or anything where I'm uneducated in. It's absolutely terrifying to be too stupid to know who's retarded. Because I don't know if he's right. I don't know if they're right because I don't know I don't know if he's right I don't know if they're right. I don't know what's going on the guy come, but I know the guy's brilliant And apparently his cancer research is top-notch. He's like made some leaps and bounds and in cancer research He's got some really interesting work that he's done That's very respected and some of the most like is the first peer-reviewed stuff in a long time
Starting point is 01:55:22 But there's a lot of people that don't buy anything that he's saying when it comes to HIV and AIDS and death. Well, I think a lot of people have—there are a lot of people that have worked very closely with that virus. And so, you know, it seems that—and have been very, very tireless in raising money for things like keeping people on retrovirals and things like that. So I think that they—there are a lot of people that seem to – are in the trenches and do know a lot about it. And maybe when someone like Dewsbury comes along and says something like that, they're not even interested. Dewsbury.
Starting point is 01:55:54 Whatever his name is. Dewsburg. They're not even interested in debating it. There are a lot of people that will be like, well, it's too crazy to debate. Well, I think that any light that you could shed on, and even if you're debating with – the idea is that if you give him power by... The idea is that if you give him power by addressing him,
Starting point is 01:56:07 is that you somehow give him legitimacy? Yes. I read his... I read what he gave me, you know, and what was... The problem with it was that not that he had... His point he had made,
Starting point is 01:56:20 but I didn't see enough... It was just a paper. There wasn't enough... There wasn't enough peer um, there wasn't enough peer reviewed, um, uh, cohabitation with the paper. There wasn't enough sort of enough people saying, yes, we've done the same research. We've looked at the same data and we concur that that was the only issue. Um, uh, even though he was citing mainstream statistics, uh, like the world health organization and the United Nations and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:56:46 Those same organizations he's also arguing with, yet he's using them as his points of reference. So I read it. Well, that's because he's trying to make a point about the deaths in Africa and what everybody talks about, like what AIDS was going to do to Africa. But in fact, there's the same amount of people who have AIDS, has had AIDS back then, but yet the population has tripled and it didn't have the same effect on the population that everybody said it was.
Starting point is 01:57:13 And now he's got an absolute point. It's rock solid. See, it's not, I don't think it's an either or. I think what he's saying, he has some very good points. I wish someone would explain what's wrong with what he's saying. Well, what he's saying. There must be something. Well, what he's saying, I think, is that he said that the H, what's controversial, he says HIV, he knows that there's HIV and he agrees there's AIDS, right? He says HIV doesn't
Starting point is 01:57:36 cause AIDS. What causes AIDS is you can have the HIV virus in your body if you live a healthy lifestyle and you're not doing poppers and drugs. and drugs, you can survive with that and it will not manifest itself as AIDS. Those that had HIV in their – Sort of. I think that's what he's saying, right? No, what he's saying is that the evidence of HIV in your system is not evidence that you have caught AIDS and it's diminishing your immune system. The evidence of AIDS in your system is evidence of a diminished immune system
Starting point is 01:58:03 because that's the only way HIV exists in your system. He's saying HIV is a weak virus and that the only way your body can't fight it off is if your immune system is already compromised. That's essentially what he's saying. And he believes that compromising is from drugs. And, you know, having him on was a weird thing because, you know, look, the guy says he wants to come on and tell his story. I, again, I don't understand enough of molecular biology to know if he's right or wrong, but I do know that he's a fucking professor at Stanford. Berkeley.
Starting point is 01:58:31 Berkeley, rather. Yeah, I mean, he's a recognized guy. I mean, he apparently at one point in time before all this HIV AIDS thing was very well respected, but now he's a pariah. He may be crazy. Oh yeah, he can easily be crazy. He may just be a complete kook. We had a lot of weird shit
Starting point is 01:58:51 called black people's fazzas. My favorite thing is the Nazi dog. The gays. It's funny, you can say the gays, but you can't say the blacks. You can say the gays love disco, but you can't say the blacks love chicken. You the gays love disco but you can't say the blacks love chicken. You can't say that.
Starting point is 01:59:07 It's like, you know, there's a certain amount... The gays love disco? Yeah, you can say that. They love to dance. You can say the gays love to dance. I love to dance. What's that make me?
Starting point is 01:59:17 Do you really? Fuck yes. Not really. I want to be a Spanish dancer. I want to be a professional fucking salsa dancer. You want to be everybody. That's what I do. You don't want to be yourself.
Starting point is 01:59:24 I want to be Nick Diaz. You want to be everybody but yourself. I want to be Alexander Carellan salsa dancer. You want to be everybody. That's what I do. You don't want to be yourself. I want to be Nick Diaz. You want to be everybody but yourself. I want to be Alexander Carellon. I'm bored with myself. What the fuck? I want to be a fighter. You've been yourself for too long.
Starting point is 01:59:32 That's all it is. I want to be a fighter. I want to be Joe Rogan. You don't want to be me. No? No. All right. It's too difficult.
Starting point is 01:59:41 It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. It's contradictory. It takes a lot of... Lie around in fucking warm water in the middle of the night and trying to figure shit out. It's too much work. I know. You're better off having less questions. It is a lot.
Starting point is 01:59:51 It's fucking... That's all I have is questions. You're better off being like a bowler. You know, something real simple. Just concentrate on knocking those pins down. Well, think about it. If you could be one person, if you could be one fucking person in the world, and it can't be you, who do you think...
Starting point is 02:00:04 Would you be Bono, would you be? Bono, Richard Branson? I've never thought about that for even a second. I've never spent any time wanting to be anybody but me. Right. Yeah. I think you got this life. I'm fucking super lucky.
Starting point is 02:00:16 You know, you're super lucky. Yep. And you could say, I'm not as lucky as that guy. I'm not as lucky as that guy. No, I actually never feel that way. No, you're not that type of guy. I feel like I hit the lottery.
Starting point is 02:00:24 There's a lot of weak bitches that do that type of guy but there's a lot of weak bitches that do that. There's a lot of weak fucking people. You use your talents that you have. Figure out what they are and then use them
Starting point is 02:00:33 to the best of your ability and that's where the answers lie. I mean, fucking, you know. Enjoy it. And I had this guy who said something about my message board
Starting point is 02:00:41 that said that I give too much, I'm too much attached to the idea that I uh, I give too much. I, I, I am too much attached to the idea that I'm responsible for my own success. And he was saying that a lot of people that are very intelligent people can barely, uh, rise above subsistence and barely,
Starting point is 02:00:55 barely get through and feed themselves. And I'll give that is horseshit. That's also, it's also not even the conversation to have. It's also, what's the point? The point then is you're making, well,
Starting point is 02:01:04 the point is you're saying that, you know, I shouldn't be taking credit for anything that I've done and that I just got lucky. But that's ridiculous because what? I got lucky at everything? Everything from martial arts to comedy to commentary to running a podcast. All that shit's luck. All that shit's luck? That's crazy talk like to say that someone is lucky because they've achieved success that you have been able to achieve is
Starting point is 02:01:32 So self-serving and so stupid of course it is it's also giving him It's also letting himself off the hook right it's suggesting that that luck is all chance There is a lot there is luck in in success a degree of always but but at the same time You're not serving yourself in any way by even having that conversation with yourself. Exactly. You're making an excuse for yourself, and even if your excuse is valid, even if you actually have a great, you know,
Starting point is 02:01:56 I don't know, your whole family, God forbid, dies in a fire, nobody really at the end of the day cares. You've got to suck it up and figure out a way to make whatever happens to you work for you. You can't control the weather, but you can control how you react to it. You show me a successful or you show me an intelligent person rather who is involved in any sort of endeavor, but is unsuccessful. And I'll show you someone who's doing it wrong. That's right. That's all it is. And there's, if there's people that are doing it right,
Starting point is 02:02:20 there's look, maybe they got more opportunities than you did or than he did, but maybe they got less than that guy and they managed to succeed anyway. There's no evenness to the world. You just have what you're handed. This style of thinking that somehow or another, oh, you know what, man? You just got real lucky. You should be really happy about all the things that happened to you. No.
Starting point is 02:02:41 Barring health issues, which many people occur, which can fucking completely blow up any plans that you have. You have to deal with cancer or you have to deal with anything. Barring that and barring psychological issues or mental deficiencies or anything physical, if you're a normal person and you have an interest in something, the only thing that's stopping you from being successful, if other people are successful, is you haven't figured it out yet. Your methodology. And it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a loser. It could is you haven't figured it out. Your methodology.
Starting point is 02:03:05 It doesn't necessarily mean you're a loser. It could mean you haven't figured out how to win yet or you're going to eventually, you just haven't applied those things. Or you could even die as an old man who's still trying. You're still not a loser. You're just a guy who hasn't figured out how to be a winner yet. And by the way, there are ways to look for the people that are successful. There are people that can show you how to manage yourself in image.
Starting point is 02:03:28 Managing how you think about the world, managing how you choose to react to things that happen to you in the world, that's fucking very important. Learning how to talk to yourself. Here's the most important thing. The most important thing. Surround yourself with other people who are doing the same.
Starting point is 02:03:42 That's right. They will inspire you. And who hold you to the same standard they hold themselves. Yes, yes. And are honest with you. Yes, very important. When I grew up, one of the big things about growing up and being ambitious is I had two friends.
Starting point is 02:03:56 Both of them were named Jimmy. Jimmy Smith, or Jimmy Dottilio and Jimmy Lawless. There's two friends who both had businesses while I was in high school. And these motherfuckers would get up early. And Lawless was a contractor. It was a carpenter. And D'Atelier was an electrician. And he had employees.
Starting point is 02:04:12 By the time we were 18, this motherfucker had a truck. He had employees. He was getting up in the morning. They were ambitious. They got shit done. And if you were a lazy fuckhead sitting around on your couch watching television, not doing anything, they looked at you like you were a loser. kids sitting around your couch watching television not doing anything they look at you like you were a loser and that work ethic that like sort of east coast work ethic having those guys around me when i was young when i even though i had this completely alternative way of living you know
Starting point is 02:04:34 martial arts competitions and stuff like that i still i i knew dudes that worked hard and i i felt these my friends worked hard i have to keep myself up to that same sort of standard. If I had a bunch of losers who were just smoking weed all day and sleeping, who knows? Who knows where I would be? Surrounding yourself with like ambitious, positive people who are happy. So fucking important. Yeah, and get clear on what you fucking want too. I always was kind of clear on, even when I didn't know what I wanted, I knew I wanted something.
Starting point is 02:05:04 I always had an image in my head of i think that's really important i think that i would say what do you want to do like what are you doing like i talked to a comic the other day and he's a really talented guy who doesn't write and isn't isn't i don't and he's like pushing fucking 35 and i looked at him i go you're really talented guy and i saw you eight years ago and you had something to say what are you doing what do you what's the point of what you're doing on stage? There's no direction whatsoever. He's like, I don't know. I go, that's your problem. You've just stopped thinking about who you are and what you're trying to do with this opportunity, with this expression. Is it just for the public embrace? Is that all it is?
Starting point is 02:05:42 Some people definitely get stuck in a rut. That can certainly happen. Start asking yourself questions that help you out of that rut then. Inspiration. That's one of the most beautiful things about podcasts is I think there's more podcast inspiration available in podcast form than maybe in any other medium. Absolutely.
Starting point is 02:05:59 Just the conversations that we've had on this podcast and the 300 plus episodes. What do we have? 30 three, three or six, three or six, 306 episodes. We'd so many of them been filled with inspirational people and just conversations like this. When, when I get emails from people telling me that, you know, Oh, I lost 90 pounds. I got on kale shakes ever since I started listening to your podcast, changed my life. It's great. I know.
Starting point is 02:06:21 But then I know that I was on to something that it's not that there's a bunch of losers out there. It's there's a bunch of people that are in bad patterns. And they could be winners. They just need to be around people that inspire them and get them on to good patterns. And much like people getting fucking nutty about masturbation and jerking off to their dick bleeds
Starting point is 02:06:42 or getting nutty about washing their hands, people can get on shit patterns. They can get on these weird patterns. There's a great article that I just interviewed her on my podcast Christy Wompole She is a professor at Princeton sounds like a great porn star. Yeah, and she's beautiful. She's beautiful. She's really she's beautiful She's 35 years old. She wrote she wrote this incredible article called How to Live Without Irony Wampold is Christy C C gotta be with a C
Starting point is 02:07:09 yeah and she's a professor at Princeton and she speaks French and all that that's not her that's me cleaning my butt
Starting point is 02:07:16 and Will Sasser took that picture and put it on the 10 minute podcast page why would he be there while you're cleaning your butt cause I was going look at my butt
Starting point is 02:07:24 I'm cleaning it and he took that picture why was he in the shower yeah that seems? Because I was going, look at my butt. I'm cleaning it. And he took that picture. Why was he in the shower? Yeah, that seems odd. Because I was changing. Look at the back on me, though. I'm muscular as shit. I don't think you need to have that photo.
Starting point is 02:07:32 That's a dense. Look at how my ass kind of. Are you happy with that, the way that looks? I don't know. I like my body. But she, in the article, I read it four times. The article, she said, and we, not to plug the fucking, the Brian Callen show. Oh my God, she's beautiful.
Starting point is 02:07:49 Dude, she's gorgeous. And you had her on your podcast? She's brilliant. I had her on the podcast. Did you fall in love? Yeah, she's so smart and she's so articulate. And she was talking about how hipster lifestyle is a product of – it's a very good article, but hipster lifestyle is basically a product of a generation of people who feel like they have nothing to offer as far as new ideas or new thoughts or anything like that. Detached.
Starting point is 02:08:16 Yeah, and so what happens is there's this preemptive – it's called preemptive living, ironic living, the idea of I've already failed at it So I'm gonna poop who it not really try hard and trying hard and being direct and with what you want is considered very gauche It's considered kind of like uncool. Well, we've we've and the way she does it It's called live without irony or just listen to the podcast. It's it's she's so She can capsulates what bothers me when I walk into a coffee shop and a guy's dressed like a 1920s conductor with a mustache and a hat, and he's just too cool for school and not really trying. I could never put my finger on why that sort of hipster behavior got to me, and she captures it perfectly.
Starting point is 02:08:59 It's nothing wrong with tattoos, nothing wrong with dressing cool. It's the attitude around sort of a culture that doesn't believe they have anything to offer. Well, it's people who are pretending that it's cool to not care. Right. And it's never cool to not care. That's stupid. It's a total cop out. Right. It's like, who gives a fuck? Stop it. It doesn't matter. Right. It doesn't matter. Every moment matters. You're silly. Yes. You're being silly and you're wasting your life because every single moment matters. And the matters And the moments that you fill with passion Are more exciting moments
Starting point is 02:09:28 They're more thrilling, fulfilling They're more satisfying moments And for you to sit there with your fucking cardigan on And pretend it doesn't matter You're a silly bitch You're lying to yourself And you're walking around a critic and a cynic So you have nothing to offer but criticism of people who really do try.
Starting point is 02:09:47 And all you do is you can come up and say, you're really lucky, that you should feel really lucky that you're doing it. Well, that has no relevance to anything. Yes, life has luck, but I work really hard and I'm really direct and I go for what I want. Yeah, but there's a bunch of people that don't want anyone to take any credit for anything that they've done because somehow or other they feel that if you have succeeded in any way, shape, or form on your own
Starting point is 02:10:10 without any provable lottery-style version of luck that must have bestruck you, how else could you be in a position that's ahead of me? How else could you be in a position where you're making more money or you have more success or you were by my age? It has to be some lucky break must have been bestowed upon you. And what I say to people like that is stop looking at people that way. Look at people in a different way. Look at a guy like Joe Rogan as somebody who's inspiring and going, if that guy can do it, that's an example of what I can do. That can be empowering. But if you sit back and decide in your head that, well, you know, you have to realize you got lucky.
Starting point is 02:10:45 Okay. No, I don't have to realize anything. And you're being a silly fuck. You're wasting thoughts. You're not doing exactly. You're not doing yourself any favor with that kind of thought. I watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last night talking about wasting thoughts. That's so funny that you just said that. These wretched cunts.
Starting point is 02:11:02 Okay. Which is what they are. Some of them. Not all of them. Some of them. Not all of them. I feel bad for them. They're just women who need money and they're stuck in these weird social situations hanging out with these other cunts. And they're all vapid.
Starting point is 02:11:13 They had a 10 minute part of an episode. More than 10 minutes. At least 15 minutes. Where they talked about whether or not a girl was rude for telling another girl to shut the fuck up. And that's all they talked about. Oh, she was was rude for telling another girl to shut the fuck up. And that's all they talked about. Like, oh, she was so rude.
Starting point is 02:11:28 Why did she say that? She didn't have to say that. Why did she say that? I thought it was so rude. Of course it's rude. You know, I think her point was, well, forget about what her point was. That's human beings who need conflict,
Starting point is 02:11:39 and if they don't have conflict as something to push against, they'll invent crazy social bullshit. But it was the whole episode. And I was like, this is so fascinating. I watched a whole episode of Jersey Shore. And in the whole episode was the situation, wanted to leave the club, but he wanted everybody else to leave too, but they didn't want to leave. So that was the whole episode.
Starting point is 02:12:01 Yes! Was the situation going, come on, let's get out of here. Forget reading, I'm going to watch Jersey Shore. And they would pull the individuals going, come on, let's get out of here. Forget reading. I'm going to watch Jersey Shore. And they would pull the individuals aside, you know, in the style of the show. Like, they would be facing the camera, and they'd be like, well, you know, he wasn't scoring. He wasn't picking up any girls, so he wanted to go, but he was being rude about it, and
Starting point is 02:12:17 we didn't want to go. And he's like, come on, let's go. I'm like, I don't want to go. It's a whole episode. Do you think those shows are popular because they allow people to take the pressure off people? They feel like they are watching themselves? It's a trick. It just
Starting point is 02:12:31 ropes you in. It hijacks all of your normal systems that are set up to monitor actual life. And you're participating in a life that you have no stakes in. You have nothing in. You're not involved. Whether this guy breaks up with his wife. A lot of those guys, men are on that show and they're starting to realize what dumb
Starting point is 02:12:51 cunts their wives are and they're fucking bailing on them in the middle of the show. Kelsey Grammer got rid of his wife in the middle of the show. No. Really? Yeah, that was part of the show. My husband's famous and I'm going to step out behind his shadow and all of a sudden she's on and everybody's like this fucking wretched bitch what the fuck so she was a Extreme cunt during the first episode Kelsey Grammar leaves her everyone hates He's a really nice guy and the hate or the waves of hate that were bestowed upon her completely changed her personality And so then from that season on she's super nice to to everyone. Just fake as fuck and nice as pie.
Starting point is 02:13:26 If Kelsey Grammer leaves you, he's a really nice human being. You know, I never tell you my Kelsey Grammer story. He fucking, he did me a solid, I'll never forget this guy for this. I'm on a date. I'm in Nobu in Malibu. It costs a million dollars for dinner there. And I take this girl out who I'd seen singing and she was beautiful. And I just wanted to get laid because she was such a good singer and so hot she couldn't have been less
Starting point is 02:13:49 interested in me she was looking at me like i was a spore but i had done well how'd you get her out then how'd you get her out i mean she kind of liked me and then she realized yeah she was just like literally almost yawning through the dinner i was like i'm not gonna get laid and i'm spending fucking my house payments on this fucking dinner right Right. So Kelsey Grammer comes in with a whole bunch of people. I had done Frazier. So I kind of knew him and I had just done inside Schwartz or some shit. Would you remember that show? And he and it was on NBC, the same network as he has.
Starting point is 02:14:17 And he had seen it. The guy comes over. The guy comes over, pretends he knows my name, but he couldn't remember it. So, hey, it's Brian. He goes, hey, I want to come over and say hi. I loved you in the pilot You were great and you were so great on Frasier. Thanks for doing it. And he basically was making me look good For this girl. He was so clearly he was so clearly throwing me the ball It was so I could tell he was doing it for me. It's and it's called jihadi
Starting point is 02:14:41 Yeah, and cut it is cut it. We used to call it. No one Yeah, when someone blows you up like if i saw brian beautiful if i see brian talking to some girl you go over and jihad him yes that's what a friend does yeah and the dude did it for me and he barely knew me i just done a show and stuff and and and i'll never forget him for that and that makes him and he was such a fucking great guy anyway everybody loves a guy but i mean i was like what a fucking cool guy you didn't have to come over But, I mean, I was like, what a fucking cool guy. You didn't have to come over to my table and do that for me, but you did. This one guy.
Starting point is 02:15:09 And, by the way, I got laid on the side of the fucking PC. I was young. I was young. I was young. I'm kidding. With this girl? Yeah, but I don't like going to that. This girl that wasn't impressed?
Starting point is 02:15:20 Yes. Did it clearly change her? Yes, about face, bro. Really? That's what I'm saying. I didn't even make it home. Do you guys see the commercial with Brad Pitt's brother? He's now Doug Pitt.
Starting point is 02:15:32 No. He's now the host spokesman for Virgin. You want to make a bet? Come on. Virgin Mobile Australia. He's the main host now. May I see that? There's a real brother?
Starting point is 02:15:42 Yeah, and he looks creepily like him, like as if this guy got hit by a car and they were twins. This is terrible. Really? Wait. What are you doing? Let me find the real commercial for that. Somebody ate. That's a joke. I can tell you that's a joke. No, it's real. They had him on the Today Show yesterday, or two days ago.
Starting point is 02:16:00 Here he is, Brad Pitt, brother. Okay, well, while you're looking at that, there's another thing I wanted to talk about with gang rapes. Have you heard about what happened in Ohio? No. Speaking of gang rapes, there was a high school gang rape where these guys drugged up this girl. This one guy, apparently the girl broke up with him.
Starting point is 02:16:19 So he's like, no whore breaks up with me. Like, put it on his Twitter, right? And, like, they put, like put really horrific shit on their Twitter, these high school football kids. And they would go around. They called themselves the Rape Crew. That's what everybody called them. Nice guys.
Starting point is 02:16:32 And they would drug girls and gang rape them. And they took this girl, this guy's girlfriend, they drugged her up, and they took her to several parties. Not one, but several parties. She was completely unconscious unconscious and they fucked her and then they made a video and this is all anonymous bringing all this shit out because they found out there was a big cover-up in this town because this is uh you we talked about the the area of the town where it was what was it was the area steubenville steubenville well there's a
Starting point is 02:17:01 video and in the video that they just released, these kids are bragging about the rape and about how dead the girl was while they were fucking her in her butt. And she was deader than OJ's wife. She was dead. And he jokes about it for 10, 15 minutes. Fucking piece of shit.
Starting point is 02:17:19 You got to pull the video up because it'll shock you when you find out that this was about a gang rape and then you see these guys doing this it's gonna well they're they're done for the rest of their life good job oh yeah oh yeah definitely good luck getting a job now you fucking definitely but but it's also like like i did crazy shit as a kid i never that that's just a that's just the definition of a fucking asshole yeah Just a bad human being. Just a bad egg, like a sick dog. It's one of the darkest
Starting point is 02:17:50 things I've ever seen in my life, man. It's really hard. It's really hard to watch. This kid was just sitting there with his buddies, just joking back and forth and laughing. You know? kid was just like sitting there with his buddies just joking back and forth
Starting point is 02:18:06 and laughing. You know? It's just hard to imagine. It might not be up anymore. A real 17 year old boy. No. No, it's there. It's still there. Pull up Ohio high school students
Starting point is 02:18:24 joking about gang i got it gang rape yeah for newsy i'm logan tittle a cell phone video leaked last week by hacktivist group anonymous has added fuel to the fire surrounding an alleged rape in an ohio town a group of high school football players is accused of raping and kidnapping a 16-year-old girl who was allegedly drugged, taken to numerous parties, assaulted and urinated on last August. Now a new piece of evidence in the case shows the teens laughing and joking about the alleged events. And we must warn you, it might make you uncomfortable. Did you know the 84 player was a daddy boy? She's deader than a doorknob. They raped her harder than that cop raped Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction.
Starting point is 02:19:08 The video was allegedly posted on YouTube the night of the incident, along with Twitter posts and pictures taken by those who were at the parties where the girl was being dragged. The Daily Mail explains the Ohio town is torn by the case, with some supporting the girl and her accusations, and others taking the sides of the players, claiming she made up the horrific events to hurt the football program. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:19:27 So far, two football players, Trent Hayes and the Lakers. Yeah, that's what a lot of girls do. Yeah, that's what girls do. To hurt the football program. Because that's not bad for their reputation at all, to say that you've been gang-raped. Yeah, and urinated on. And then you get the guys bragging about it.
Starting point is 02:19:41 Let's go to Brad Pitt's point. But before we do this, though, there's an important point that we had talked about before, Brian, about that Anonymous is the person who's... I mean, they are the real group with morals. And again, they're proving this. I mean, this is... I don't know about Anonymous.
Starting point is 02:19:56 They go after shit, man. When they find out that someone did something fucked up like this, it was some chick that drowned a bunch of puppies and threw them in the river. They found out who that fucking bitch was. They went after her. They found out who she was. They put all of her information online.
Starting point is 02:20:10 They contacted the police. And it's the same thing with this. All these videos are coming out because of Anonymous. And there's a lot of people that don't want to get behind Anonymous. They think they're vigilantes. When justice is not being done through traditional methods,
Starting point is 02:20:26 isn't it someone's fucking responsibility who has power to do something? I think so. They're doing the job of the police. They're doing the job of someone who looks after citizens. You have a daughter, man. Yeah. Could you imagine if this is your daughter and you have to find out about this this way? No, I'd fucking have to go buy myself a machine gun.
Starting point is 02:20:43 It's unbelievably sick but this is being glossed over by this town if you look into the the story behind it i looked into it even more after we talked about it and just read all the and then watched this video and i was like this is crazy i don't understand how you gloss over a like something like that because it's financially financially how much money it's devastating to this thing it's like it's's like when those guys knew that he was fucking young guys. Here's what you do, young boys. When you find out somebody,
Starting point is 02:21:10 when you see somebody fucking a 10-year-old or whatever it was in that shower, I don't know how old the kid was, you put a towel around the kid and then you go right to the fucking cops. You turn that guy in. Fuck your football program. There is a point where things stop. it's called game over.
Starting point is 02:21:28 You go, hold on, hold on, hold on. It doesn't matter. Nothing else matters. Don't go, yeah, he raped a kid, but. There's no but after that. But what is making boys willing to do that? I was never willing to do that when I was 16, 17. It's mob mentality with one bad egg and a bunch of weak kids.
Starting point is 02:21:45 Boys don't know what they're doing. Is that what it is? Don't know the difference. It's camaraderie and aggression, and they haven't yet processed because they're boys, and their brain isn't completely... Teenagers do crazy shit. Is there an argument that there's a meathead jock mentality that's cultivated? I don't know that sports cause you to do that.
Starting point is 02:22:10 I think it's usually a couple, one, two, three really bad kids or just shitty people who are too fucking dumb or too immoral to realize what they're doing. Well, they want them to be super aggressive, too. They want them to be super aggressive because super aggressive kids make for a lot of fighters that are really... Because super aggressive kids make for better football players. The more aggressive they go out and take it, if they're, like, real sweet and kind, they're not going to play crazy, violent football. Young boys, they found, young teenagers,
Starting point is 02:22:34 the reason, you know, young... Somebody said if you put... If you took every teenage boy from the age of, like, 14 to 21 and put them in jail, we'd have zero crime in this country. The idea is that when a male brain is forming, you deal mainly with the frontal cortex, right? Not the middle brain, the back brain, whatever it is. I can't remember.
Starting point is 02:22:54 That's not true. The idea being that the idea is they're impulsive. They're hyper-aggressive. There's certainly that. But what I'm saying is that in that sort of culture, there's a cultivated sort of an attitude about, I'm not saying that it encourages rape, but I'm saying that when you have a bunch of kids
Starting point is 02:23:15 and they're not getting the proper guidance and they're encouraged to be crazy and aggressive. I'm aggressive. I was crazy aggressive. I've always been an aggressive person. I mean, I'm as aggressive as anybody as a teenager. I never in a million years would have gang raped a girl like that. Right, of course.
Starting point is 02:23:32 We established that. But why? So why is it that they can? What's going on? I think typically it's just usually whatever you want to call it, a bad kid, a disturbed kid. No, no, no, no, no. It can't just be one kid. It's not.
Starting point is 02:23:44 There's no way. No, it's a group. It's probably a group. But why are you saying that it's one kid that starts this fire and then everyone else catches fire? My guess is it's usually a leader in a group, a bad guy in the group. My guess is that's usually how boys delineate authority. There's always one alpha male, you know.
Starting point is 02:24:00 That's interesting. In this situation, I have a feeling that there's sort of a detachment that they all sort of cultivate. I agree. This angry, aggressive detachment. And some of that has to do with the ideas behind kicking people's asses and going out and being successful in, especially something as detached as like football, where it's sort of violent, but it's violent in a sort of weird, tricky way where're allowed to like run into each other and fuck them up and but you're not really fighting you know so there's no there's not the same martial
Starting point is 02:24:31 discipline and the things that are involved in in competing in that sort of one-on-one endeavor it's a different sort of group mentality type thing in sports I don't know because I think you have a lot of cult lot of places though those men in India I never played football I probably never played sports and they they were probably getting right themselves too though I mean, you know you're dealing with a lot of it in those situations. You're dealing in incredibly impoverished place I mean happens to men too when you have One strong leader and and some bad people involved then you have a couple of guys that want to be included and be cool And and they're dorks and they they you know i don't know it's
Starting point is 02:25:05 just how does someone raise a son that's capable of doing that to a girl i mean is it growing up without sisters without you know maybe not having a love for your mother things or or not realizing that girls are the same are maybe subhuman in some ways well i'm hoping that like the new deli thing that what you're dealing with in Steubensville, Ohio, wherever the fuck it is, is you're dealing with a bunch of backwards assholes that aren't getting the full version of the world yet. And that because of this,
Starting point is 02:25:34 and because of what Anonymous has done and exposed all this, that it's going to make that impossible to ever happen again. And the kids are going to be aware of that shit, and the family's going to be aware of that shit, and no one's ever going to try to pull anything like that off again because they know they can't i hope so i do think that when you do that what those guys did to that girl i think it's very similar to what those guys would do to another guy with a baseball bat they would do it to anybody yeah they're there it's fine it's an
Starting point is 02:26:00 act of violence so so whether it's the girls the target or some guy walking down the street who's a different color or wearing a weird shirt that mob mentality with young guys happens a lot has always happened it's the same thing that allows someone to beat someone to death from because they're wearing a jersey from the wrong team that's right like that guy uh in la that's a tribal thing almost to death it is almost the same thing It's like we're all together against everybody else. Where do you get fucked? Everybody else. And it's almost like the way you prove that you're with the group is to engage in these immoral activities that you would never do to someone who's a member of the group. You're trying to one-up each other.
Starting point is 02:26:36 I fucked her in the end. Look at that guy. He peed on her. He's so crazy, bro. He pissed in her butt. Right. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 02:26:43 Yeah, it's fucking nuts, man. You used to hear those stories when you were younger. I remember my buddy was like, dude, and John went to New York and he had sex with this dude, Hooker, and he was banging her in the ass and we could hear her going, ah, ah. And they're laughing. And I was like looking at her going, I don't know if that's that funny, dude. I kind of feel bad for that girl. Oh, poor Hooker.
Starting point is 02:26:59 I just think a lot of times it can also be like a level of compassion. You're either born with it sometimes or other people don't have the ability to have empathy, as much empathy with somebody else. It's also those formative years, too. It's really terrifying about that kid in that video who was laughing and bragging about the girl getting raped. What's really terrifying is that same boy could easily be put in Afghanistan and given a gun. What the fuck are you doing man? yeah
Starting point is 02:27:28 what are you trying to do man? I didn't do that on purpose the um easily you know like that one guy who wound up going fucking crazy and gunned down a bunch of people who had been there forever the other thing is that same boy may with the right guidance have been putting all that aggression into something productive the the
Starting point is 02:27:50 when you look at that kid right now at 17 his life is done i don't think i don't how do you how do you come away with you know i guess when he's 30 or 40 you know things wash away but for he's going to be brought up on charges for rape, and your life is pretty much at that point going to take a major turn. Well, and most likely the amount of public pressure that's going to be on trying these guys as adults is going to be huge. No one's going to want them to get away with this. They're laughing about this. They're going to want to send a message.
Starting point is 02:28:23 It's like we've we gotta figure out a way to stop the competition like this idea that there's an us and them in society and whether it's an us and them whether it's ohio people shit on kentucky people or it's men that shit on women or gays that shit on straights or blacks against whites we have this division, this sort of like clan mentality gone wrong division in human beings where we're willing to do fucked up shit to certain groups if we decide they're the Taliban or we decide they're the enemy or they're fags or they're girls, they're bitches or they're blacks or whatever. I do think, I would suggest that it's getting
Starting point is 02:29:05 better not worse and i would suggest the world is less brutal in that regard than it used to be and the reason i say that is because there are eyes on it and it's becoming easier and easier to identify and understand how similar you are to those people over there those people over there also have the internet those people over there speak Those people over there also have the internet. Those people over there speak a common language. I'm being offered stand-up gigs in Dubai and in Lebanon and in South Africa. I would suggest you not take it. I'm not going to.
Starting point is 02:29:34 I'm just saying that it's interesting that you have people there that want to laugh too, sometimes at the same stuff. We are connecting. We are developing a neural consciousness. I mean, I don't know how long it's going to take, but it feels that we are, like I said, before being nudged in the same direction toward each other. Having virtual experiences almost of what it's like to be each other, that's becoming easier than it is. One of the things that scares me the most about that kid is what made that kid. Could that have been me? If I grew up in that
Starting point is 02:30:04 kid's household, if I had that kid's dad, if I had that kid's mom and that kid. Could that have been me? If I grew up in that kid's household, if I had that kid's dad, if I had that kid's mom and that kid's brothers and I lived in that kid's town, would I be him? That's a legit question. It's an absolute real question. You're drunk. You're not looking at the girl as a human being.
Starting point is 02:30:17 She's drunk. She's passed out. You're just going to have sex with her because it's not hurting her. It's all that stuff. You're 17. You're a fucking retard. There's a part in my act,
Starting point is 02:30:24 what's a true story, where're 17. You're a fucking retard. There's a part in my act, what's a true story, where I talk about being on a boat and being, I was really, really high. And these dolphins were playing next to the boat. And through this law, I won't give you the whole bit, but I realized something, that it's very possible
Starting point is 02:30:40 that everybody is exactly the same at the core, but we're just living these different existences with different biologies and different personalities and different sexual needs and wants and different life experiences and I thought about and I thought like one of the best ways to treat people is to treat people as if they're you living another life if every person you run into literally is you living another life, if you lived my life, you would be me. If I lived your life, I would be you. I would be you in every exact...
Starting point is 02:31:14 I would have your experiences and your genes and your... If we could get people to somehow or another consider that, that would be like the greatest idea for a religion ever. Instead of a religion based on the idea that there's some crazy motherfucker that brings people back from the dead and turns water into wine, and if you eat the wrong fruit, you're fucked.
Starting point is 02:31:34 Instead of that guy, how about the idea that all of us are the same and we really could get so much more done? Well, one of the tenets of Christianity, I think is interesting, is that one of the main. Well, one of the tenets of Christianity I think is interesting is that, and one of the main tenets, one of the things that Christ said is, all you have to do is do unto others as you have them do unto you. He said if you do that, if you hold, if you believe.
Starting point is 02:31:54 But that's abstract. It's treat them as you would like them to treat you. What I'm saying is to treat them as if they were you. If it was you living another life. If we really are all one then i am you and you are me and it sounds hippie as fuck but if people could figure out how to think like that i think that would be the real life changer that would be the real game changer and it could happen and that also would get rid of all the fuckheads but you know because all the fuckheads would be
Starting point is 02:32:22 held accountable the same way you're held accountable which is like what i was saying about that video one of the things that disturbs me the most is I know That I am a flawed human being and especially at times in my life when I was younger I've been capable of doing crazy things that were regrettable and that I I Got through it without doing anything like that I got through life without committing any felonies or doing any horrible crimes, but that's just lucky I could have been in the wrong environment i was just thinking the other day i remember hitting somebody in the
Starting point is 02:32:50 face as hard as i could i was in a fight i really believe that in that moment i was trying to kill that guy yeah you know i was trying like when you hit somebody in the face because you're angry at them in a real fight and you hit him and like you're in a bar or whatever and you hit him you're trying to i'm so angry i'm trying to kill that fucking dude right yeah and they go down you stomp them with your boots exactly it's the same it's exactly it's the same mindset i just got away with it because i didn't punch that hard or you know i gave i hit him and whatever i got girl hands but but that's that is that is the you we have all made decisions split second decisions through anger or whatever that could have landed us could have changed our lives in a very very different way.
Starting point is 02:33:27 There's no question about that. It seems to me that a big part of this conversation, a big part of the issue like what would allow a person to be, to dehumanize a girl like that, what would allow a person to to be a serial killer or a school shooter or any of that, it all goes down to the heart of the matter which is trying to figure out how to get people to respect and treat other people in a better way so mostly one of the guys was her ex too so that's something you know that was what i said that the guy he said no bitch breaks up with me so he got a drug but there are two things to think
Starting point is 02:34:04 about also. I also think you have to make account for the fact that, first of all, these events, the reason you read about them, we talk about them, is because in the grand scheme of things, they're fairly rare, right? When it makes the news, so thank God it's an aberration. It's a rarity. Did you hear about this? No, I don't hear about that every day.
Starting point is 02:34:21 That's part of the thing. But I also think that I really believe that the majority of people are good people and kind of do what you say. And then it just takes a small fucking handful. It takes a tiny fraction of the population to ruin it for the rest of us. I think you said something really important earlier, that people can get used to almost anything. And I think that's what it is. Like this idea that people can get used to horrific conditions.
Starting point is 02:34:47 They can get used to a lot of fucked up, they can get used to eating fly burgers, and then they get used to gang rape. You can also, because of technology, isolate yourself from the rest of the world more than you've ever been able to. You can live a virtual existence. You can be a young man who sits in his room all day
Starting point is 02:35:03 and his only friend is the internet and video games. I don't know that that creates a killer, of course, but I do think we live in a world where you can certainly isolate yourself into a virtual reality where you start to believe the virtual is actual. And so now, when you're playing video games all day, it's just an example, now a human being is a target because you haven't had any interaction with a human being. It's like Malcolm Gladwell's book where as soon as the Bronx stopped being small houses where everybody knew each other
Starting point is 02:35:29 and they built these huge structures where everybody was anonymous, it was much easier to kill somebody you didn't know them. You didn't know who they were. There wasn't a connection there. And so in some ways, technology is bringing us together. In other ways, some people are being left out so that they are completely disconnected and their only connection is a virtual connection. Yeah, well, as virtual technology gets better, then it becomes even weirder because then the temptation to enter into virtual realms, they're going to be more and more satisfying and rewarding. So in the same way where it's almost like a race between these two forces,
Starting point is 02:36:04 the connective force of the internet, the ability to bring people together through information and through social media, and then the virtual possibilities, the possibilities of living in a life of World of Warcraft and Call of Duty. And the idea that that can somehow or another change someone's view on interacting with people because the way they interact with people on this fucking game is killing them all the time that's what they're doing like all the time right and that those two forces are kind of duking it out to see like it becomes your reality right i mean it becomes your reality when you do it over and over again
Starting point is 02:36:37 um i don't know man i i think that when you're not having real connections with human beings it can probably change you some people yeah we're we're really not fixed yet we're not done we're like a work in progress these fucking humans but yet people want to keep everything the way it is right now i don't know they learn the more they learn about the brain you know the serial killers the guy was saying he goes dexter's never going to make a serial killer. Serial killers have different brains. We know that now. So sometimes people just have bad brains, man. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense.
Starting point is 02:37:10 I mean, some people have giant dicks. That's it, like me. That's a hindrance sometimes. Why wouldn't some people have fucked up brains? Some people are nymphomaniacs, right, Brian? Mm-hmm. Why wouldn't some people be born- That exists, by the way.
Starting point is 02:37:21 Fuck yeah, it does. Of course it does. A lot of things exist. Who was that, the guy yesterday that said that? No, no, no. He didn't say there wasn't nymphomaniacs. What he's saying is there's no sex addicts. He's saying the evidence for sex addicts are like,
Starting point is 02:37:31 it's not sex that's making you addicted, it's compulsive behavior. And it can manifest itself in playing cards, it can manifest itself in anything. It's just like you have compulsive behavior. So your compulsive behavior is sexual. Holla at your boy, bitches! Brian Callen will being appearing.
Starting point is 02:37:47 Will being appearing? That was so smooth. I was almost like a pro. Brian Callen will be appearing at the Punchline in San Francisco. Not this weekend, you fuckheads, but next weekend. I don't know who's there this weekend, but they ain't as funny, you fucks.
Starting point is 02:38:03 So go see them. San Francisco, you badass motherfuckers, which is one of the greatest cities in the world. I love it. And it's an awesome place to perform, as is Pasadena, where we will be tonight. Eddie Ift just got added to the show. So it's Eddie Ift, Brian Redband, Sam Tripoli, Jason Tebe. Kevin Christie.
Starting point is 02:38:21 Kevin Christie. Kevin Fitzsimmons. Greg Fitzsimmons. Jesus fucking Christ. You can't get any better than that, you dirty fucks. He's awesome. And it's only 15 bucks. It's only 80 seats, too.
Starting point is 02:38:31 So this is like a small VIP show. It's probably sold out already. And I'm there next week, most likely with Joey Diaz and Ari Shafir, if Joey's wife has the little noggin. So send Joey out some love. Yes. If not, Ari's going to be working on some new shit and that'll be the main room of the Ice
Starting point is 02:38:50 House next Friday night, the 11th. Thank you everybody for tuning in to the podcast. As always, thanks for all the love and all the positive messages. We appreciate the fuck out of it and all the intriguing tweets that I get. I get some fascinating links.
Starting point is 02:39:06 Really, really interesting stuff. And I appreciate the shit out of it. It's really an awesome thing to be connected to. I don't know how it all happened, but I am benefiting from it. We are all benefiting from it as much as you guys are. So as much as you say it changed your life, it helps you, it changed my life too. It's helping me too. I would never be able to have these long-ass conversations.
Starting point is 02:39:30 Me and Brian, we hang out together more than we've ever hung out before because of this. It's awesome. Because we do this thing. It's great. It's the greatest thing ever. And you can see Brian's podcast. You can listen to it, rather. It's called The Brian Callen Show. Perfect name.
Starting point is 02:39:37 And you can get that shit on iTunes, along with the 10-Minute Podcast, which is one of the top three up-and-coming new podcasts on iTunes. It got an award. We got an award, too. Right, Brian? We're on the best comedy podcast in Canada, too. You fucks. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:39:55 I'm going to Vancouver, man. I can't wait. When are you there? January 24th, 25th, 26th. What are you doing up there? Yuck Yucks? I'll be at the Comedy Mix. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:40:03 There used to be Yuck Yucks. Yep. I love it. I love Canada I love Vancouver Vancouver's one of the Greatest cities Oh they sell out too
Starting point is 02:40:08 It's so fun That's my number one Place to bail When the shit hits the fan In America Vancouver I'm all over it Alright you fuck sticks
Starting point is 02:40:15 We will see you all Next week We got Next week is an Action packed week Adam Hunter's gonna be on Steve Volk is gonna be on This Brian Oh Duncan Adam Hunter's going to be on. Steve Volk is going to be on. There's Brian.
Starting point is 02:40:26 Oh, Duncan Trussell's going to be on next week. And maybe even Jimmy Smith, if we can work him in. He does my job for Bellator, and he's a really good dude. So we're going to talk some MMA with Jimmy Smith. And all right, that's it, folks. That's it for the week. We love the shit out of you. And don't change, or do change. Get better. Get it together. All right, that's it, folks. That's it for the week. We love the shit out of you, and don't change, or do change.
Starting point is 02:40:45 Get better. Get it together. All right, that's it. Thank you.

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