The Joe Rogan Experience - #318 - Aubrey Marcus, Eddie Brill

Episode Date: January 23, 2013

Aubrey Marcus is writer, entrepreneur, and adventurer. Some of his writings and experiences can be found on his website, WarriorPoet.us, as well as links to his latest venture, Onnit Labs.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. One day, Roy McDonald's going to ask me, man, why is my voice all fucking distorted? How come you let Nick Diaz talk in his regular voice, but you fuck my voice up sideways, son? Why do you do that to him? Because I'm trying to hurt his feelings. Whoa. I can't believe you went there. I can't even believe you went there. Good luck. So what's up, buddy? What's going on, brother? Yeah, man. This is always the weird thing. The, the pause,

the commercial, the commercial, and then the music, and then the start talking part. It's like, it's not the most efficient way to do it. It's not the best way. Everything's been good, man. It's been a hell of a run. It's been super exciting. I've been really exploring some of the more non-psychedelic adventures in my own life that have been pretty cool, some of those things. Well, I guess you'd say non-plant-based experiences, really focusing on deepening meditation. uh, learned a really cool thing, uh, called shamanic breathing, which I was totally skeptical about. Have you ever heard about that? No. What is that? All right. So basically what you do is you create these really powerful breaths and consecutively through your nose like that. So you're hyperventilating

and you have, it's best to do this with a guide. Cause you know, I didn't really know what to expect going through. I was just like, all right, whatever. They put on some music and they get you fired up and they're like, give it hell, do it like you're, you know, fighting for something great in your life. And they get you kind of stoked on this and you start breathing. And, uh, what you're trying to do actually is create a state where you're, you know, you're purposefully hyperventilating yourself, which is actually manipulating your pH and then constricting some of the blood vessels that go to your brain. So you're creating...

So you're choking yourself. Yeah, a little bit. It's like an autoerotic asphyxiation. A little bit. But what you're trying to do is like Aldous Huxley would say, is you're trying to obscure the cognitive filter for long enough that your brain allows little gaps. It's like opening the blinds in your brain a little bit, so that the rational mind goes away and it allows whatever else that is. Even Pressfield would call

it the muse. Psychedelic people would call it source or the other, whatever you want to call it. That other information that comes in that isn't quite just produced by your rational mind. And by shutting off a few of the valves, it's actually kind of, it feels like you're opening the blinds. Well, again, I was totally skeptical. I've obviously done some of the most significant, you know, plant medicines in the world. So I was like, what is this shit? This is just breathing. But I got into it. And the first thing that happens about 10 minutes in is you experience what's called tetany they call

it and that's where you like get really kind of curled up and you feel like you're you're you have like the claw like you can't stretch out your fingers super uncomfortable position they're like keep breathing keep breathing i was like fuck it i'll go through it you know i'll see what's at the end of this rabbit hole and then i did and i pushed through that state, and about 15 minutes in, it turned full psychedelic experience. And it was awesome. It was cool as shit. 15 minutes in? 15 minutes in, yeah.

So 15 minutes of just heavy, crazy breathing. Heavy, crazy breathing, yeah. And you're like, how long are these breaths? They're fast. Give me a couple of them. Give me a couple of them right now. And just keep doing that for 15 minutes and you get high. And you can alternate it.

You can alternate it doing like little short ones like, you know, but basically putting out a massive amount of breath. And then, and it's also, it's best to do this with somebody there leading because it does create, you get really kind of, it's a weird state you're being. You're actually really generating a psychedelic state. So we get in there 15 minutes and it was cool. It's not like the DMT experience, which has this, what they call the chrysanthemum of all these colors and vortexes and lights and the flotillas and all the shit I've previously described. But it's very focused, like the vision that you get. And I had a whole, me personally, I had like a whole background that kind of came in that was kind of like a seamless eternal background, 360 degrees. And then I saw myself come in,

but I was like faceless and I was looking and looking. Were your eyes open or closed? Closed, closed, yeah. You can't really see. If you try to open your vision, you're a little dizzy, you're distorted. You've basically hyperventilated the shit out of yourself. So when your eyes close and you're seeing this,

and then the most powerful transformative moment for me was when I actually, for the first time, out of all the medicines I've ever done, I saw a visual depiction of what I believed my God self, my soul, my spirit self was. In the aboga experience, that was my true self. And I heard it talking to me while I was taking the aboga. That was the one guiding me through with the blinking cursor, going through all the information in my life. That voice, I actually saw it pictured and depicted

in the physical form in that vision. Did it look like Snoopy? It didn't, fortunately. Is that safe for you though? Because that would be a bummer. Is that safe for your lungs or your brain yeah so it was developed by uh by this guy stanislav groff and he developed it when acid became illegal he's like we got to create a state that's legal now that acid is illegal because that was his favorite so he created this and they've done quite a bit of study um it felt it felt you know intense but you felt really strong and good after it was done. And I've looked around at some of the studies,

and a couple of people say it's not good for you, but other people say absolutely no harm undone. So do your research on that. Make sure that you're comfortable with what it's doing to your body. The idea, I'm confused as to why it would be bad for you if all you're doing is breathing heavy. Yeah, really, you're not adding any kind of harm. Is it the same kind of thing?

It is, to a certain degree. Except this is actually temporarily restricting some blood flow. But it's not like... How is it doing that, though, by just breathing? Yeah. So some mechanism with the expulsion... Yeah. You're going to have to...

Faster. Harder. In through the nose nose out through the mouth this does not make for a good podcast because this could take like 10 minutes yeah it could take a while especially for a powerhouse like you drop down to five but uh but it manipulates the carbon dioxide level in your blood you're expelling more carbon dioxide which raises your ph level and by raising your pH level, it somehow restricts some of the blood vessels, which creates this state. And really there's,

you know, when you start to look at the mechanism of action, a lot of psychedelics, what it's doing is it's shutting off certain portions of the brain. And that's what people, you know, that's where I really appreciate Aldous Huxley's view on this, which is a lot of people think the psychedelic experience is adding something to you, like adding an experience on. He's saying all you're doing, you're not adding shit. You're taking away your mind. And by taking away your mind, you allow what's already there to come through.

And this is a reliable, legal self-mechanism for getting there. And it was pretty cool, I have to say. So where does the average person find a guide to do this? Yeah, I would just look at, you know, Google your city, whatever it is, Austin. You've got to get fucked. Austin, holotropic breathing. You've got to be careful.

Some guy's going to fuck you. He's going to, yeah, shamanic breathing. You've got to breathe through my dick. You have to be careful wherever you go. You have to be careful with ayahuasca maestros. You have to be careful with the boga shamans. All of these people. It's true, right?

You've got to put them through your shit test. Yeah, you never know. You never know. Because just because someone says they're in a boga shaman doesn't really mean they're not a creep. Doesn't mean anything. Exactly. Anybody could say that now. I mean, anybody could say they're an ayahuasca hero.

You have to find out whether or not they're legit. Yeah. That's unfortunate. That's one of the unfortunate aspects of being able to communicate. We can also lie. It's like life coach. Anyone can say that they're a life coach nowadays, and that's ridiculous. I've got a funny life coach story.

Did I tell you about that guy who bangs older rich chicks? No. I did. I mentioned him on the podcast before. But it's like when you're around someone and you just immediately go, oh, great. There's a coyote in the chicken coop. I'm watching all these poor old ladies hang around with this super charming man with a ponytail. And I want to smack him because I'm like, I know what you're doing.

You fuck. He's hanging out with these older broads. And he started out as a manny, a male nanny. And my friend who lived next door was like, that fucking guy away from my wife, man. Like he had a thing about him. And this guy's not very jealous. So I was like, hmm, interesting.

So then it turns out he starts banging the wife and they get a divorce. And so the husband knew it. Yeah, the husband leaves. And now this guy is banging the wife, who's rich, of course. And now he becomes a life coach he's not a male nanny anymore he's a life coach i'm like this guy is just a straight con

man yeah he's just a straight con man who moved into this neighborhood and started wearing thumb rings and you know knee-high leather thumb ring and a ponytail you can't do that tries to you can only you can only permit yourself one or the other, really. Yeah, he's one of those guys where you'll catch him reading a classic. Oh, I just happened to be reading Kerouac here. Come on in. He's cultivating this whole image and using it to scam these older ladies. It's really interesting how obvious it is, too. If you talk to him, he just oozes bullshit.

But he's 36 and he's got a cock. you know these 50 year old women are like i can't believe he's banging me and boom next thing you know he's a life coach life coach fucking life coach gotta get your bolt bullshit detector out strong hone that in yeah and, guys with thumb rings, come on now. Come on now. What is that guy doing with a fucking thumb ring on? Silly bitch. That's ridiculous. Agreed. He's banging you, you're 50, and he's got a thumb ring.

Run! And a ponytail. Run! Yeah, ponytail. Sounds like that Paul Rudd movie about Elysium. What was that one? About what? There's this Paul Rudd movie that was kind of a bit of a spoof on like a commune where everything was super spiritual. Oh, I didn't see that, but I saw the ads for it.

Wanderlust. Wanderlust? Was the name of it. Was it any good? It was pretty funny. Yeah, there were some super funny parts. Well, that movie vanished. I didn't hear a fucking goddamn thing about that movie.

It wasn't great, but it was okay. But they have a guy like that. Ponytail, thumb rings, plays the guitar really soft. Yeah. And then he ends up trying to fuck Paul Rudd's girlfriend. Of course. Of course. That's what those guys do.

Yeah. I know another guy who will remain nameless, but he's very shamanistic in nature and he's really trying to just bang chicks. But there are good ones. Yeah. There are good ones. Well, for sure. For sure.

The experience is um you know i had a conversation with david cho about this yesterday where i said that if you took dmt or psilocybin or whatever and someone said to you did you just go to cougarlife.com get off that but i look at these messages yeah I don't want to see the messages, man. If you, you know, a lot of people like look at any sort of a psychedelic experience and they say, Oh,

you're hallucinating. You're just hallucinating. But my take on it is kind of whether or not it's real, whether or not you could take it and put it in a bag and put a Ziploc on it and set it on a scale and measure it. You're, or whether or not it's a hallucination. The exact same experience happened. Whether you think that you are in another dimension communicating with intelligent entities

or these chemicals are fucking with your cerebral cortex and forcing your visual input to get fucked sideways by all this additional shit that's not supposed to be there and so you have hallucinations either way the same thing is happening to you if you took magic fairy dust and were transported into an impossible strange land where the sky was filled with ever-changing geometric patterns that are made out of love and understanding and they're coming down to you and telling you everything that you already know about yourself and telling you that they love you, or you're hallucinating.

Isn't the same thing happening? The same thing is happening to your eyes. The same thing is happening to your brain, and the same thing is happening for you to sit back and to sort of interpret and try to incorporate into your view of the world. The same exact thing, whether it's real or not. So we get caught up in this idea of what's real.

What is real? Is that real? Because I can hit it with a hammer. And is the air real? Because I can't even touch that. It's like, can we measure it with modern sources? If we can, then it's real. I say that's crazy.

Yeah, I agree. And, you know, I've been looking at a lot of Toltec philosophy recently, and they just dispose of that problem entirely. They call our whole experience the dream, and it's a co-created dream by everybody. They just call it the dream. The mitote is what they call it. And what they say is the most important thing is not the dream itself, but how that dream interacts with us. It's a completely subjective

reality. If you already think of everything as a dream, then you stop asking these silly questions about whether the mushrooms are doing this or that. It's about your experience with them. It's about how that translates to what you're going to be, how you're able to see the world better, how you're able to find a deeper awareness, how you're able to, in what their worldview is, be the warrior hunter that hunts what they call the parasite inside themselves. Same thing that Steven Pressfield calls resistance. They call the parasite. Hunt that part of yourself that's self-sabotaging, that's fearful. And that's what they say is the most important is getting yourself to those states where you're aware and you can interact with the dream on your terms, set your intent, use your powerful belief to make the dream a dream of heaven instead of a dream of hell. you're going to fall into some sort of a situation where if you have a psychedelic experience and it fucks your head up that maybe you're not going to

be able to come back and maybe you're, you're going to go crazy. That that's a real possibility. And that's something that people need to consider before they fuck around with anything. If you have a hard time with regular reality, don't, don't go doing any drugs.

That's when you want to try that shamanic breathing shit. Work your way up to that. Yeah, totally. Don't just take acid. Because if you take acid, it will last a long time. And if you're freaking out, part of psychedelic experiences are the ability to just let go. And it's very hard for people to do. And one of the big things when you hear people talk about like bad trips, in my experience, one of the big issues

is people letting go and letting the experience take them there. Because you will try to resist it. Because one of the first things that any psychedelic experience exposes is your own flaws and inadequacies. And a lot of people do not. Yeah. I think it was Bob Marley that said it was the mirror that reveals you to yourself. Yeah. A lot of people don't like that. No.

Because you're creating an image that isn't true. The image you want to project is not what's going to appear to you in the mirror. Unless you've done something like this. It doesn't have to be a psychedelic experience. A flotation tank can get you there yeah meditation if done correctly can get you there but the psychedelic experience goes with the earth mover and it just takes tons of dirt off of the path so you see the mirror way quicker it's a bunker buster it is exactly just gets right down through that right that fucks you up. All your mountain of bullshit that you cover yourself with.

That's what I think leads to a lot of bad trips for people. But you also have to consider brain chemistry. There's some people that need medication. There's some people where their brain's not working so well. And if that's you, don't stack mushrooms on top of that. I would say that that's probably not the best way to go. I think that's important. Whenever we talk about psychedelics, we talk about the good aspects of it.

But then you hear about that dude from Pink Floyd that lost his marbles. Especially with the synthetics. You find that seemingly acid and some of the other different chemical monikers like Dr. Sasha Shulgin would create in his lab or something like that. That guy seems fine, though. He is fine, though. But he has the right attitude. I think with the right attitude of the key is to witness and allow.

You've got to be the person in the movie theater eating popcorn, watching what's happening, you know, kind of subjectively, just objectively, I mean. Just like, oh, that's interesting. Oh, snakes eating my organs. Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Oh, snakes eating my organs. Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Oh, going down a vine of thorns and having my genitals eviscerated. Oh, that's unpleasant, but no big deal. That's the attitude you have to take during those horrible things, regardless of what it is.

Because if you don't, if you try to fight it, it's going to win. Yeah, and it's so easy to develop a strong ego. God, especially if you're a man. It's so easy to take yourself seriously, especially if if you're a man it's so easy to take yourself seriously especially if you've got some accomplishments under your belt and you're working hard every day and you just start thinking you're something special you know you really can confuse the fuck out of yourself and then one of those ego obliterating experiences comes along and just exposes you to yourself for what you really are and you're like oh wow

but i almost always feel when it's over like wow i needed that yeah absolutely so much feel so much lighter yeah like i move better now yeah i can get along quicker now yeah yeah i think you know going back to the archives of of my history i remember one particularly difficult experience one of the most challenging I had. And I've talked a lot about snakes and spiders exploding, and all of that I've always taken with a grain of salt. The one that was the most challenging experience I've had was actually a vision of hell where I felt completely out of any realm where there was life. Like there was not a rock, there was not a tree,

there was not another living thing anywhere around. And it was the deepest, loneliest, most isolated feeling I've ever felt. And that to me actually calibrated what my experience of hell ever was. As hell is not in these places with demons and fire. There's all life force there. There's the energy of creation and destruction. Hell is being on the other side of space where there is no life, where there's no source, where there's no nothing there. I mean, a rock, a spider, anything would have been a salvation in this place that I was appearing at. And I felt myself at that point trying to fight it like, oh, fuck, I got to get out of here, make some butterflies appear, something please happen, a color, anything, everything was just drab and dead. And I was totally alone. And that experience there,

you know, if I hadn't been, you know, well versed in, in what, you know, in this realm on the other side, then it could have been a really, it could have been an experience that stuck with me. You know, it could have been something that I didn't allow to happen. And I fought and I, and if I would have stood up and tried to change my scenery and touch my face and say, Hey, Hey, I'm still alive. Hey, I'm still in life and not actually dealt with that and not seen it all the way through. I had the feeling like that would have been something that would have stuck with me. So psychedelics are not to be taken lightly. I think you need to take the proper steps, find someone who's experienced, you know, do something like holotropic breathing,

you know, do something like holotropic or shamanic, do something like that. Go to an isolation tank, you know, maybe try a little weed, you know, make sure that you're cool with like the baby steps before you just go whole hog and if you do go whole hog there's something to be said for that just diving in the cold swimming pool you know without dipping your toe in make sure you're with someone who's just on their game and really on point and can guide you through and you can look at them one of the most important things is to look at them and then be like hey i'm not gonna die right and sometimes you just need to be like yeah you're. And that's all you need.

Like, hey, I didn't accidentally poison myself. Because your brain will tell you if you're doing it alone and you get to a bad place, it's going to say, I think you might have just poisoned yourself, dude. You think you might have just poisoned yourself. And you don't want that voice, especially when you're starting out. That's what it feels like when you do DMT. You feel like there's no way I'm coming back from this. I fucked up. I fucked up.

I fucked up. Yeah. I crossed into the great beyond to take a peek. They're going to let me back. It's really sad that from what we know about the positive benefits of a lot of these substances that we are forced to do it this way. We're forced to. We're under the illusion that we live in a free society because it's freer

than most societies, but it's still not a free society. The, the human race has yet to conceive of and execute a free society. It doesn't exist. Especially a free, educated, aware society that is not beholden to evil corporations we haven't figured that out yet

we really haven't and um that's why we make movies about it like avatar and they become wildly popular oh yeah yeah not so close as we can come to as our own imaginations yeah there's some i don't know like there's a lot of people believe that you kind of have to have a certain amount of yang in have to have a certain amount of yang in order to have a certain amount of yin. And it's almost like this sort of evil against good is like what the human being needs to sort of propel society forward. This constant struggle and conflict which creates momentum.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but it seems to be that a lot of people are lazy as fuck. And if they lived in paradise, they wouldn't get laptops made. You know, it's like almost like you need some, it's, it all has to be difficult for us to push further. You know,

but there's enough difficulty in our own minds, you know, just getting within ourself, finding happiness and self love and actualization is a fucking battle already. So to say that we need this external shit just to allow us to do that is not true. There's always going to be a struggle. I'm not saying that we need.

You and I certainly don't need it. But society as a whole. If I looked at the human race as a mathematical computation and I looked at the amount of energy that's been expressed and the amount of effort that's been expressed and the amount of effort that's been expressed and a little why are they spending so much energy why are they spending so much effort well they're doing it because they're trying to conquer the world they're doing it

because they're trying to expose they're trying to enforce their ape ideology on this ever-changing technological world they live in that's why they're expressing themselves in these 16 hour work days I mean it's really that simple I mean why why are they in debt why do they owe so much money why do they why do they work more than they their health lets them like what are they doing there well they have to because they owe money for credit cards because they had to pay for fucking electronics that they need to keep the machine alive like if you looked at it completely objectively outside of being a person outside of being a cog in this wheel and you looked at it completely objectively outside of being a person, outside of being a cog in this wheel, and you looked at it from an objective distance, you would say, oh, I see. They're fucking building towards something.

And they're in a fury. They're in a frenzy to the point where they give up their own health and happiness in order to perpetuate this process. It's fascinating. They're either building something or they're at the height of madness you know to a certain degree both and could be that this height of madness the whole reason why it coexists with this incredible restriction restriction on psychedelics and restriction on the the public's access to psychedelics, that they coexist because without one, you could not have the other. If psychedelics were not illegal and incredibly difficult to come by, we would not live in the same world. We would be connected.

The whole world would realize that we are completely necessary to each other. And that vision that you had of ultimate space and and silence and and no color and drabness and being being hellacious because even though we have these instincts and this ego that wants us to go out there and make our name for ourself the reality is you are not shit without other people yeah you cannot you if you're alone it's for breaks where you take breaks and you breathe and you get something to eat and you watch TV by yourself. And you go, that was nice. But you better get back to the people soon.

Because if you don't, you're fucked. It's like, some days I don't eat. I take a day off eating if I feel like taking a day off eating. It's good for you. But I don't take more than one. I don't take a month off. You know what I'm saying? That's not good.

And a staple of being a human being is human beings you have to interact with human beings we're we're most certainly a part of a process the question is is this process being run in a conscious manner or is it being run in an instinctive manner that's been hijacked because the very instincts that we have which were sort of regulated by psychedelic compounds throughout our history and we remove those compounds from the equation which accelerates the madness aspect of the human without the biochemical and botanical sort of mediating agents. Check and balance. I think a lot of things have been hijacked. I think religion has been one of the main things that has been hijacked.

It has taken our desire to connect with source, with life, with God, if your vocabulary permits. You know, there's a big vocab issue with this whole thing. Whatever you want to call it, that force that creates life within all of us. Call it God, call it whatever you want. But there is a natural inclination, a drawing towards that there's a there's an old myth between a hindu myth and it says you know brahma and maya were the only two forces out there in the universe and they were bored and so maya said okay we're going to create a game maya was a female brahma is the male deity but not that any

of them have a sex at that point anyways but she says we're going to have a game and and brahma's like, okay, we'll do that. He's like, first you create the world. All right, Brahma creates the world. Then after Brahma creates the world, she says, okay, now you have to create someone who can appreciate the world. And says, okay, so he creates humans. And then at that point, she cuts him up into all tiny, little, tiny pieces. And he puts a little piece in each human and says, Brahma, now the game begins. The game is you are going to all think you're different and you're going to have to find your way back to figuring out who you are. And so that idea that we're all like a little piece of something still just trying to figure it out, that instinct, that impetus to find what we

are at the very core, when you remove the body, remove the mind, get back to the soul, and even remove the soul. So you're just that piece of life force. That desire to figure out what that is has been jacked, just jacked by Christianity, Islam, Judaism, which had a sentiment of truth, a kernel of goodness and wisdom, all of these things, Islam included. Everything has this kernel of wisdom and wisdom, all of these things, Islam included, everything has this kernel of wisdom and value, but then it gets hijacked by people for power, you know, people who've been frustrated, people who are sadistic, people who want to control other people, want the money, want the sex, they're like the Tony Montana in a fucking priest robe, you know, they jack this

stuff, leaders to control the people, and it's created this massive imbalance. I think it's maybe not created it, but it's certainly accelerated it. And then, of course, the forces of greed that have been kind of inculcated by general society and this feeling that you need more things and all of this, this is all just fueled to create really a massive imbalance, in my opinion. It didn't need to be this massive,

but there is going to be a massive correction. I just hope we don't go too far back the other way, because there is a need for balance. There is a need for, you know, in my opinion, strength and capitalism and many of the ideals that we actually do pretty well. But, you know, if you go all the way completely back the other side, which is a little bit probably why the movement in the 60s and 70s failed, it was too loose. Didn't have enough structure. Didn't have enough of the yang part of it. It just went too in. And the problem with creating these big imbalances is the pendulum swing gets too broad.

Yeah, that is a really good point man the pendulum swing and it's uh it's fascinating how every time a person gets into a position of power there's a corruption and a deviation from their original intent and it becomes this this sort of dominance issue, like even with Obama. Obama has, look, he came from, if you look at his past, he came from a single mother. He's of mixed race. You look at him, you say, well, this guy should understand the plight of the common folk. This guy should be, you know, someone who represents us because he grew up kind of poor. You know, he wasn't a rich kid.

someone who represents us because he grew up kind of poor. He wasn't a rich kid. But then he gets into office, and he's been the one guy who's attacked whistleblowers more than any president before. He's gone after the press more than any president before. They've dropped more bombs from drones than any president before. So what is he for? He's for a lack of privacy. He's for infringement on your rights.

He's for rest lack of privacy he's for infringement on your rights he's for restricting constitutional liberty he's for changing constitutional and uh the amendments that have given us freedoms in this country and restricting them to keep you safe all the shit that we've been warned about by like our founding fathers he who would take freedom, he who would take safety over liberty deserves neither. You know, that's like an old school saying. And this idea that they're going to take liberty away from you to protect you.

The drones, and it's fucking Obama. Obama's doing this? Remember that guy that got into Egypt? And, you know, they were like, well, you know, Egypt threw out that asshole dictator and as soon as this new guy gets in, he tries to pass all these laws to turn himself into a dictator. And as soon as this new guy gets in, he tries to pass all these laws to turn himself into a dictator.

And you're like, Jesus Christ. And there's riots in the streets. Like, what the fuck did we fight for? What is going on? What exactly is executive privilege? What the fuck are you talking about? You mean you don't have to tell us that you knew about some crazy program

where they sold guns to Mexican drug lords. Thousands of guns. And those guns were used on American citizens. The Border Patrol agent was murdered with one of those guns. This Operation Fast and Furious. And Obama says, well, I'm just going to take executive privilege. I don't really have to talk about that. Like, that's crazy.

And I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm not saying that as a president he could possibly be aware of everything that's going on. Because I don't think he can. But the fact that we have some creepy get out of jail free pass. Because that seems like some shit that might put you in jail forever. What you would want from your movie hero president is to say, hey, this is bullshit. I'm not going to take executive privilege. The people need to know about this.

This was some whack system that we had in the government. It's going to change. But no, they don't do that. And in every instance, they kind of push things under. Just wait for people to get lazy, whether it's the president or whether it's the UN. I just watched a great documentary called You and Me, like you for United Nations Me. It's by this guy, Ami Horowitz. And some of the things they're talking about there

in the Rwanda crisis was unbelievable. So basically they had the UN, which is a heavily armed force in the area, can really regulate shit if they wanted to. They got all the machine guns, they got tanks, they got whatever. Intelligence from one of the top colonels comes back to the UN and says, hey, the Hutus are about to exterminate the Tutsis. We

have the plan. We have the leaders of the Hutus. We can take them out now and prevent a mass genocide. And this was like a week in advance. Sending the cable, can we do this? Can we do this? Can we stop this genocide? Please. These are the leaders. They're going to get this message out. Can we stop them? Can we stop? No, no answer. No, better stay impartial, better stay impartial. Well, what happens? Exactly what the colonel said happens. The Hutus go in, they get their hammers, they get their machetes, and they just run riot. Everybody with the Tutsi identification card whacked, right? So eventually all of the Tutsis gather and the UN puts up a flag in this school, post a perimeter, and there's hundreds and hundreds of Tutsis that have gathered in this

building. And they're safe for temporarily as the UN is there protecting them. And then what happens? So the Hutus go around and they start drinking and they have their bloody hammers fresh on their kinsman's blood out there. And they're just drinking and taunting and hanging out outside the perimeter the un says you know what do we do what do we got to do and the message comes back in from the un evacuate the premises evacuate the premise and they're like if we do that there's 500 people that are going to get killed with hammers you realize that and they're like yeah we can't we can't take sides evacuate the premises and as they're evacuating the premises, you see this footage. They're like hanging on.

They're like hanging on to the tank. Please take me. They're asking them, shoot me. Please shoot me so I don't have to deal with what the people with the hammers and the machetes and the rape that's going to happen if you evacuate us and you leave us right now. What happens? The soldiers beat them off with the end of their guns, crews out, and exactly that happens. They roll into the school, mass murder, mass genocide. Why aren't we more upset about that? That is ridiculous. What the hell is the UN doing if they're not there to protect those people in that circumstance? And that's

just an example of, you know, we pick on our own government all the time. Sure, we have some certain involvement in the UN, but the UN doesn't seem any better. And it makes sense that, you know, probably hardly any other government is better. We're just more active. Somehow, this system that has created people in power has created a morality where all they care about is power and money and that's got to change and how do you get that to change without enlightening people and how do you enlighten people you know i mean you can't get them to just breathe come on dude i'm gonna get you to do shamanic breathing everybody sit down i mean you're gonna force them to do shamanic

breathing they need the they need the bunker busters. Yeah. It's a fascinating situation because we are in this really odd time where we can learn so much, and there's so much information available almost instantaneously, but yet we still are struggling with these crazy ape dominance instincts. And these ape dominance instincts sort of get subverted in these large civilization contexts of one person or multiple people controlling millions and having to keep like a lid on this bubbling cauldron of humanity that you can call a country and they almost all do the same thing they just it's a fucking power. They try to protect themselves as much as possible.

They try to take away your rights, especially your right to go after them. Your right to defend yourself. They want to take away your guns. They want to take away anything that makes you crazy. They want to take anything that's going to empower you and, and somehow or another take away from their ability to control you. It's like no,

no society really wants to give people equal access to information. No society really wanted the internet. They just fucked up and it sort of snuck up on them. And now they're stuck in this situation where they're trying to regulate and trying to sort of govern people the way they did three, four decades decades ago which is a blink of an eye in in terms of culture but in terms of this society it's a million years ago because of the internet so it looks so woefully inadequate today it looks so clumsy and it's so obviously corrupt like i would say that this civil this culture that's growing up right now, this generation, knows more about the fact that our government is corrupt and how it's corrupt more than any generation before.

Absolutely. Like, by a long stretch. By a long shot. There's things that we know about today, you know, when, I mean, even things that were in the news, like the Iran-Contra affair. news like the iran contra affair you mean i remember yeah that was when i was in my early 20s seeing oliver north on tv and trying to piece this together and trying to figure out wait wait wait what hold on what did you guys do the why is the you guys sold arms to iran what are you doing like what the fuck is going on and you did what you all the contras and the sandinistas what'd you do you sold coke in the ghetto you guys sold coke to pay for guns whoa yeah like what kind of government are we running

yeah and i think so you know to go back to your question how do we fix it and i i think the only way is we have to create a pandemic an epidemic epidemic, like influenza used to be or the Black Plague used to be, but on the good side, a pandemic of consciousness. And I think that's one of the beautiful things about your show here is that we're creating a bit of that momentum. We're catching people, and then these ideas, they're contagious. That's why you call it spreading virally, the whole term from the Internet. It can be like a virus.

Truth, consciousness, awareness can spread, and we're all an active part of spreading that. Each person that we bring in and say, hey, have you seen this? I remember one of the things, I showed a video about NDAA, just for an example, the indefinite detention to somebody who was mildly- For folks who don't know what that is, the National Defense Authorization authorization act which is a really scary act that's been passed recently which has all sorts of things in there that eviscerate the bill of rights one of them is this indefinite detention where they can take someone who's an american citizen then they suspect them of something and they can just detain them they don't have to have a lawyer they don't have to like you don't have any rights you don't have any rights anymore it's basically just like the king throwing

you in the dungeon yeah and this is real shit that our politicians have passed. We've been hijacked, essentially. So I showed this video to someone who is mildly pro-Obama, not crazy, really kind of took herself out of the whole political picture. And I was like, listen, this is a bill that he allowed to pass and showed her all the details about it. Basically, it was a video describing exactly what you said and going through it in about a two-minute video She's like, oh my God, really? Whoa.

You know, and at that moment you could see there was a shift there. You know, she understood something that wasn't, she wasn't aware of. And every time that happens, you know, we make those little marks, it starts to spread virally. And at a certain point, I believe that it will get to a critical mass where the people just will no longer tolerate it and will be the majority. And at that point, we'll have to clean house. And they're going to cling. The old power structure is going to cling. They're going to come up with some really crazy fucked up rules. And I think at the height of it, unfortunately, there's going to be conflict. I think it's inevitable. I don't know what that's going to be, but it's going to be conflict i think it's inevitable i don't know what that's going to be but it's going to get really nasty when the movement of consciousness runs square

against the this kind of reptilian power grab of the old structure and that's going to be a trying time but i think or they'll die off or they'll die off smoothly in their place that's possible and hopefully that's the best case right that's the way we want it to be the way we want it to be is that the young people coming up now the ones that are in college right now the people that are listening this you know when they're riding their bike to school you're the ones that are going to be responsible for running this fucking crazy machine in the future absolutely if if the whole world is aware what the fuck is going on it's harder and harder to fuck people it's just harder and i think right now they're still able to lock down enough that they can operate in the old way and when you see things

like the the nsa's idea of building this suey abby martin and um what's her name uh who's the other gal well david seaman it was his uh thing well. We had him on and he was explaining to us what they're trying to do, that they're building this gigantic compound in Utah, which essentially copies every email that every American citizen makes. Every phone call that you make is recorded. Every picture that you text someone. So all your dick pics, all those are going to be recorded. So that if they ever have anything that they have to bring up,

uh, Aubrey Marcus, what are you doing? Um, in Florida? And, uh, did you, you know,

whatever, did you fucking burn the American flag? You're like, uh, what are you talking about? Like, well, we have here your emails that say that you were on your way to Florida,

burn the flag. We have here the flag that you bought at Walmart because we traced your credit card. We have here the phone calls you made bragging about it. You want us to play them back for you? And you're like, what? And you realize my whole life is being recorded. Every email I make, I have to assume now that someone's listening and reading my emails. Listening to my phone calls and reading my emails.

Who are these people and what? Because they get elected? Do they even get elected? I mean, when you're in the NSA, do you get elected or do you just get hired? So you get hired and you get to be the one who decides whether or not they can look at your dick pics? Like what kind of a world are we living in where some small group of people have that kind of power over the rest of us? I can't – if someone hacks into your email, those people can go to jail. If a regular person, if Brian gets nutty and he decides to hack into some girl's email and starts reading her email, she could find out about that and she could have him arrested and he can go to jail.

You could do like cyber terrorism. You could do time about that and she could have him arrested and he can go to jail you could do like cyber terrorism you could do time for that but if the NSA says it's okay and that's your gig and you press that button which says record all Aubrey Michael Marcus's emails that somehow is okay that that's insanity that that is the height of insanity. We're not talking about criminals here, ladies and gentlemen. We're talking about the entire population of the United States. Wrap your head around that. You know, innocent until proven guilty? Yeah, not so much. The idea is they're going to record all of your shit, but don't worry,

they won't send your dick pics out as long as you keep it together. You know, now imagine a scenario where what makes this particularly vile is the fact that there's so many unjust laws. I mean, if every law was perfectly just and based upon harming somebody else, then it would be like, yeah, what are they going to fucking catch me for? You know, whatever. You know, it's going to be like the only people who would get caught with thieves murderers rapists people like that but because there's so many unjust bullshit laws like these laws around your own you know personal freedoms like whether you want sexual freedoms um you know what you ingest in your body what kind of you know whether you want to smoke weed or whether you want it

whatever all of these unjust laws give them so much more leverage. Yeah. It's like the church saying that, you know, masturbating and sex is a sin. Well, guess what? You got a whole bunch of fucking sinners then. And then once you have sinners, then you can manipulate them with guilt, you know, and then you can manipulate them with absolution and you can control them. But if they didn't do that, if the church was like, yeah, you just have to be a good person and try your best and you're not a sinner, you know, they'd be like, ah, sweet. I qualify. See you later, church. And the completion of the cycle of evil, and this is where it gets really screwy, is that there's a good percentage of our prisons that are private, which means they're businesses that profit off of people being in jail. And so they and the prison guard unions lobby to make sure that there's more laws that they can use to lock you up and fill their prisons to make money.

So it is essentially legalized slavery. And there's a lot of those laws, especially when it comes to drug laws, that absolutely make no fucking sense. They're not based on science. They're not based on what we know about the human body in 2013. Especially like marijuana laws. In no way is it based on anything rational in any way, shape, or form. Yet, it's still federal law and they can take you and throw you in their magic box where you make the money and they want to do that and that's legal that's that's a strange thing that is a very strange

thing to to be operating like that in 2013 that people are making money off of locking people up some of like the guy in montana there's a famous story of a gentleman who was in jail because he had guns as well as medical marijuana. And they passed some new thing saying that if you have guns and you're, you know, you're involved in marijuana, it makes it way worse because then it makes you like a crazy drug dealer. Like you're one of those Mexican narcos all holed up in Humboldt with fucking

machine guns and shit. But no, this is a guy that was like a hunter who also decided to run a medical marijuana farm because he was trying to make money because he thought that was the law. He had these local politicians, local cops come over and inspect his plant like, everything looks good. And he's like, here's the list of people that I'm selling to. These plants are all dedicated to them.

This one goes to this person this is a this is their medicine and i'm i'm a farmer and i'm going to be able to feed my family and make a living doing that now that guy's up for it's possible they might lock him in jail for 80 years no good that's that's great for what for is it because he's shooting people no no no no no jesus is it because he's a felon he's not supposed to have guns because he's been shown to rob people oh no, no, no, no, no. He's just a farmer. Okay. Is it because he's hurting somebody? What is the, is he growing something that's bad? Oh, no, no, no. He's just growing medicine. It's state approved medicine. So they can put this guy in jail for essentially a non-crime. In the state, everything he did is completely legal legal his use of firearms is recreational and for hunting

purposes like this guy's not a narco-terrorist but yet they can use all these bullshit laws and arrest this guy probably confiscate a lot of material oh they already did that they took it all they took all his weed all his money too yeah they come in and jack your money and your weed and what they do in california it's kind of cute is because obama said that he's not going to target anybody who breaks uh only the state law he's gonna set is if they break both state and federal law then we're going to come after him or rather not federal office because it's all federally illegal so he said if they're if they break the state law as well as the federal law then uh then they're open for prosecution that's that a reason? No, this is what he first said when he got into office.

So this is what they do. This is how cute they are. So they don't really put you in jail a lot of the times. What they do is they arrest you, they open up the place, they come in with guns, they scare the fuck out of everybody, they take all of your weed, and then they take all your money. They take everybody's information down, and they do nothing. It's a jacking. It's a jacking. That's a jack.

So instead of like arresting you and prosecuting you and putting you in jail, instead of doing that, what they're doing more often is just taking all your shit and then saying the case is open and they never do anything about it because they really don't have the resources to prosecute all these cases. They really don't have the resources to go after all these guys that are running these medical marijuana shops because there's twice as many of them as there are Starbucks.

I mean, the numbers of medical marijuana clinics in Southern California is somewhere in the thousands. They don't even know how many dispensaries, rather. They don't even know how many they have. They're everywhere. Fucking things. And some of them are operating illegally,

but they don't give a shit. If they come in, they take all your stuff. And they take all your money. And some people do a little time here and there. But for the most part, for really egregious things, they'll do a little time here and there. For the most part, it's jacking. You know, for people who aren't sympathetic to the marijuana cause,

which I don't know if anybody listening to this show isn't sympathetic to that cause, but presuming there were, you can take the cause out to the raw, the whole raw milk. You know, you can take that out to that. I watched a documentary called Farmageddon, same thing, gunned, you know, agents with guns going in, locking up yogurt freezers, yogurt freezers, and then jacking these farms. They're like little farms. They're selling to people. You got these got these kids saying oh my asthma was way better when i was drinking the whole milk now the raw milk is it's obviously way better for you a lot of this lactose intolerance and stuff yeah it's because of the way that they homogenize pasteurize and process the milk which is great if you're dealing with like a city and you have to store milk for weeks in advance it is certainly more healthy than

getting people raw milk that goes bad then everybody gets sick and that can happen too so i see why it was invented but the idea that someone could have a source where they could be they could get raw milk and they can get it from a farm and that farm sells it to the supermarket you know it's all safe and fresh it's dated dated, it's all good, but that's illegal? Yeah. And not only that, they'll arrest you with guns, guns drawn. Yeah. Guess what would happen, though,

if the government didn't come in and regulate that? Well, you know, consumers would start to look for, hey, do I want this milk or do I want this milk? And you start to identify brands. Or there'd be consumer watchdog services that came up and said, hey, these milks are good. These milks are sketch. You know, don't drink these milks. And the system would self-correct itself.

And instead of locking people up, you know, taking away whole stashes of yogurt, you know, the system would just work. Yeah. And where's the system in effect for the pharmaceutical industry? How many fucking people drop dead every year from Oxycontins? And why aren't they beating down their door with guns and trying to figure out what the fuck's going on here? No, no. Then they're too busy arresting farmers for bad yogurt.

Right. I mean, wow. God damn it. And by bad yogurt, we mean good yogurt. Yeah. By delicious yogurt. It's a strange thing, man. We have a strange world and it's, uh, it's, it's, it's all like going

through a growth phase. It's like a 16 year old that's throwing temper tantrums cause they're about to become a grownup and they're not quite there yet, but they're, they fucking think they are. I'll fucking tell you, bitch, you know, and they get crazy. Yeah. It's, it's, it's real weird. It's real weird to be a part of. And you know, the fact that you have the government telling you what is good for you and what is not good for you, it kind of removes people's responsibility to take the onus on themselves to say, Hey, I'm going to go out and procure what's good for my body. A lot of people just blindly trust like, Oh yeah, the FDA says it's good. Oh yeah, yeah, that's good. It's FDA approved. It's, it's good. And that's a better resource than a government resource at this point

in time. There should be, um, instead of a government resource, it should be a better resource than a government resource. At this point in time, there should be, instead of a government resource, there should be consumer-based resources that are more effective because they're motivated by something other than just having a job. Sure. It's something they have a passion in. I don't believe in, you know, whenever you have a government agency like that, I'm like, God, who gets that job? I mean, are you sure that that guy is really fucking into making sure that yogurt's safe?

Or is he just some asshole with a job? You know? And you never know. And it could be, you know, even good people in that system, they have to enforce bad laws. Yeah. You know, I mean, these people in all of these organizations, they could very well be good people. And you hear stories of them just saying, look, I just couldn't take it anymore. You know, I'm having to enforce bad laws.

They come in with a positive ideal in every one of these bodies. But just the system is designed to force them to enforce messed up laws. They come in with a positive ideal in every one of these bodies, but just the system is designed to force them to enforce messed up laws. And that's, that creates a problem. But, but going back to what I was saying that, you know, when someone's telling you what to do, you don't take that onus on yourself. I think it's really, they think everybody thinks that it's really helping people, but ultimately the only person that can decide what is good or bad for you, you know, the only person that can decide what's good for Joe Rogan is Joe Rogan. You know, you got to do the research, you got to figure it out and figure out what's good for your body. You know, you are a really cool analogy that I just recently heard. You know,

we have millions of different cells in our body we all know that and if you think of those cells as individual life forms then we have millions of life forms that are under our control and doing our bidding thanklessly they just go to work every day and do what they're supposed to do for us and we are like their god we are their rulers we control their life and death we can make their life difficult or we can make their life good. And we're feeding them shitty coffee and Cheetos. Exactly. We are the gods of our body. And you can almost say they work so hard and so well for us that you can almost say they pray to us. Whatever analogy you want to use, they're there for us. And what do we do for them? Yeah, exactly. The coffee's probably not nearly the bad thing that

we do to them. But yeah, that makes an impact. Cigarettes. Cigarettes. The bad know foods that you get no green ever no vegetables we come from the earth we got to put a little bit of that back you know put some real fuel back in there it's one of the things that people neglect more than anything the the nutrition and health and exercise i mean i've obviously i've had intelligent friends that laugh that mock at me for working out. They think it's beneath them. I'm like, okay, by being lazy, you're limiting the quality of your life. And you think that that's smart.

I think you're just being lazy. And you're just sort of justifying it with this silly attitude, this silly hipster-like attitude. There's nothing. Whatever. He gives a shit. He's going to be dead anyway. That kind of thing.

It's so stupid. Who wants to live like that? Or they discredit the value of it. But it's not just about physicality. It's about what that does for your mind. Yes. The confidence in certain situations. The ability to have that, to take care of yourself as a man as a woman as a human being you know

it it messes it changes your mental dynamic it certainly does and i also think that your mind functions better i mean you can have a really brilliant person that doesn't take care of their body but man would they be even more brilliant if they did take care of their body i think they would i think the amount of emphasis that you put on your mental function can be delayed or retarded by the fact that your body's not keeping up or that your body's sending shitty signals your body's tired all the time your body needs naps all the time your body is like breaking down it's always getting sick it's always that that derails the quality of your thinking totally unquestionably and having excess stress in your mind erodes the quality of your thinking totally unquestionably and having excess stress in your mind arose the

quality of your thinking as well because you you're quicker to pull the trigger you're quicker to yell you're quicker to be upset about things you're you're not in control of your meat vehicle right silly bitches right yeah people need martial arts man that's what i say i say we need to teach them in fucking school. I think kids, every kid in school, it should be something you learn like English. You should learn martial arts. And it should be in grade school, middle school, high school, college. I really think so.

I think there would be way less cunts. Just way less. I think it's one of those weird things where people think that it would create bullies. But I think it would be just the opposite the opposite yeah the discipline the self-respect you get and if you're doing something like jujitsu now pure striking stools can create some massive egos yes we've seen that yeah but you know something like jujitsu it's very difficult to create a massive disproportionate ego in that you know unless there's some case where someone's just so good that they just beat everybody and then they get to be a dick, I guess.

Especially if it's like one of those kids that grows up quicker than the other kids. They're like super fast twitch muscle fibers. Yeah, that's possible too. But I think, man, it would cut down on so much if more people had that kind of a discipline in your life. We're trying to fix the world. I had somebody on the podcast once and we were talking about kettlebells and battle ropes and shit like that. And the guy goes,

are you making a fucking army? Like, what's going on here, man? You're getting people to work out and take vitamins and shit and then you tell them the propaganda's bullshit and tell them they need to go hunting. No, we're not making an army.

But you can make your own army. You can follow our advice. You can make your own shit. I'm not making any fucking army. No. I don't have time for that. You can't even say that. You say you're your own army. You can follow our advice. You can make your own shit. I'm not making any fucking army. No. I don't have time for that. You can't even say that. You say you're making an army.

The NSA light goes off. A blue light goes off. We're creating consciousness. We're creating a consciousness epidemic. It's going to be like the, I don't know. I don't know what color is left in these plagues. See, that's the thing. That's the funny thing I was just thinking about.

You have these analogies of horrible, destructive things happening on a large scale, but what's like the nuclear bomb of goodness? Like, nothing exists. Blowjobs. Blowjobs and the nuclear bomb of goodness.

All right. Because it's all a gift. Yes. You're not giving anything back. It's coming to you. Boom. I see. Boom.

But it only happens on a one-on-one basis it would need to be a massive five hundred thousand person at a time blow job yeah and if there was something that could do that that would become the analogy do you think that um this uh shamanic uh breathing thing is something that could be taught like in classes like yoga classes we can get a bunch of people to experiencing it together? I do. I think if people were willing to explore,

I think, you know, you'd have to start. I think that's one method. I think isolation tanks are another method. I think a lot of these methods need to be explored and proliferated throughout, you know, throughout our consciousness as a tool. You know, it needs to be taught like, hey, you want to get back in touch with something that's a little more real, that's a little bit deeper in yourself, that's not clouded by all of the voices of the dream, as the Toltecs say, or our emotions and our needs and our wants

and what all this crap that's going on in our head. You want to tap into something a little deeper, a little more real, a little more connected to your fellow life. You know, this is one method. This is another method. You know, and then, hey, maybe for some of you, here's some other things that totally, obviously, you know, we believe should be legal, like mushrooms. And then get it down to a science where you know exactly how much, what your dose is.

Maybe go on a stale. Get your accurate biometrics. Combine science with shamanism to create reproducible results and an experience that's not clinical but not entirely just on the fringe of spirituality as well and i think you could really affect people's consciousness doing it in that way what's the laws on sending people down to peru or brazil or to do ayahuasca ceremonies? I think, as far as I understand it, you abide by the laws of the country that you're in.

You know, there's no federal jurisdiction. I don't think that's true anymore. I think there's been new regulations that have been passed that say that if you do illegal things in other countries that you could be prosecuted for them here in America. Really? Yeah, yeah. And I think, yeah, yeah. And I think the idea behind that, I think what they used was pedophilia. I think that was one of the things that they used to sort of sneak that through.

Like going to Thailand. Yeah, which I agree with 100%. Not that I agree with pedophilia. That's not what I said, you fucks. What I said was that I agree that, yeah, you should prosecute people for doing that. Prosecute people that are doing that anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not that's a fucking crime on humanity but the fact that uh you they might be able to use that against you i've never heard never heard of a case of that actually coming yeah that's a problem it's like

the laws that are in place you know especially with the ndaa there's no been no cases of that either and you can't really be prosecuted for doing a past substance either so it would be really tricky to try and prosecute someone past substance like saying like if someone says yeah if someone says yeah i did acid you know a year ago right you know that is not prosecutable everyone in amsterdam would be fucked well no only yeah right from then before the i think they would have to be grandfathered in right yeah because it would be interesting like if you went there now and they found out that you did marijuana in amsterdam a month ago would they be able to prosecute you i don't think so someone knocking on the door? And if so, why are you answering it? Don't answer that shit.

I would say that you can't get prosecuted. I would hate to deter people from going on these journeys and expeditions with that fear in mind. Whether the law is there or not, I think practically it's – I haven't heard of a case of it. But I'd like to explore that and see and make sure that the real issue would be like say if we decided to create some sort of a counseling service where you sit down with people and uh you decide whether or not they're crazy or undercover cops and then allow them to sign up and go to brazil there's there's people who do that already to a certain degree. I don't know. They haven't been fucked with as far as the ones that I know or anybody that I've heard of.

But they could be just flying under the radar. Possible. Yeah, that's the issue. The issue is what happens if someone actually tries to do something like that and create a service. We should explore that and get some more knowledge. We're just talking out our ass right now. We don't really know what's, what's going on, but I like, you know, I like your thinking. And that's been also part of my thinking is what are the ways that we can do things fully above board? Cause we can't in consciousness recommend people to do illegal things. The risk is there. The stress of doing that is there. You know, we're not trying

to do that, but we want to create a change and a lot of these changes change creating events are illegal by our government so how to work our way around that well some of the things find the legal psychedelic experiences breathing you know isolation tanks certain types of meditation but that's then if you want to take it farther yeah you know go out of the country i I know in Canada even, Iboga is legal. I know in South America almost. In Canada it's legal. Yeah. And in UK.

Half of Canada. Yeah. Canada and UK, Iboga is legal. And then in most of South America, Ayahuasca is legal. And also the church, the church of Santo Daime or UDV, I always get those two mixed up. I think there's two. There's two, yeah. I think they're both legal now.

Yeah, both of them got approved. So that may be another way too is really kind of, you know, allow people to become... Explain that for people who don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, so there's a Freedom of Religion Act

that allows you to have your sacrament, whatever that sacrament can be, if it's intrinsic to your religion. And there's two religions based out of Brazil that focus on the ayahuasca as a major sacrament. And that's the Unias de Vigilistas, I don't know, it's in Portuguese. And then there's the Church of Santa Daime, which is another one. And both of them use ayahuasca as a sacrament. And they brought it all the way to the Supreme Court and said, hey, we want to use our sacrament to express our religious freedoms. And one good move by the Supreme Court is they upheld that based on the

Freedom of Religion Act. And there was precedence for that based on the Native American church claiming peyote as their sacrament. Well, you know that Alex Gray is creating his own church. Yeah. Yeah, which is fascinating stuff. Eddie Brill went to see it. Oh, hey, man. We're in the middle of a podcast. Okay.

So go fuck yourself. This is live, goddamn it. Good to see you. Nice to see you, pal. It's a pleasure. You want to sit down? Five minutes. Yeah, come sit down.

Relax. This is Eddie Brill, ladies and and gentlemen Who's a good friend From the old school Boston days Of stand up comedy Who gave me some good advice When I was a young pup Back in the day

Hold on He's got to turn this on for you You were the second baseman On our little softball What's going on man Alright This is my friend Aubrey How you doing

We're in the My son Dan Who's a comic What's up Dan Yeah We're just breaking down The universe But it it's good to see you, buddy. Yeah, it's good to see you, Dan. What's happening?

What are you doing here? I'm running a showcase. I got this comedy festival that honors Johnny Carson in his hometown. Oh, really? So I'm looking for comics. Where's his hometown? Norfolk, Nebraska. Whoa.

So he built this 1,200-seat theater in his hometown. He loved it. And so to keep his name alive it's like the sixth year of it it's pretty pretty top-notch thing oh okay so you're here uh showcasing local comedians put them on there yeah this is my each night i go to a different city so i've been in vancouver seattle san francisco denver i'm here tonight i got fort lauderdale tomorrow oh that's cool so you guys is it an eight o'clock show is that what it is 7 30 7.30. Oh, great. So it's going to start in about 10 minutes. Yeah, and they said you were here.

I wanted to say hello. What's up, buddy? Yeah, I'm good. I'm happy to see you. I haven't seen you in forever. When was the last time I saw you? We were at the Improv for like two minutes in LA. I said, hey, I just want to say, hey, buddy, I got to run.

But before then, I think it was like Boston. Yeah. Long time. Long, long time ago. But what I remember, we were playing softball all the time and having a blast. And there were a couple of guys who would take it seriously. But you and I, we would dance. I was first base and you were second base.

We would dance. We would sing. Matt Graham would be like, come on, take it seriously. There's a small group that's seen the Rogan dancing machine. I'd dance my dick off. But remember Brian Fra frazier he would yeah he would get fucking huge arguments you were fucking out you were out you were out he made the fucking play you were out you're like whoa yeah come on yeah people are there's a keg playing

third base yeah you know that was uh those fun times man those uh those days for we've we've talked about them on the podcast a million times, but when I started in 1988, it was the most magical time in the history of stand-up comedy. I came along at the perfect moment, and where Eddie was one of the headliners in Boston already, he was a couple years ahead of me.

There were so many great comics in that area. Just Kenny Rogerson alone. Yeah. I mean, Don Gavin, Steve Sweeney. Lenny Clark. Len Kenny Rogers and alone. Yeah. I mean, Don Gavin, Steve Sweeney. Lenny Clark. Lenny Clark. Kevin Meaney. Kevin Knox. It was these killers. Killer comedians. There was so... Mike Donovan.

Bob Goldthwait and Tom Kenny. Yeah, a few of those guys who left and Stephen Wright. There was a great documentary that Fran Salamita... When stand-ups stood out. Yeah, Fran Salamita made this documentary about that time. And he's got a lot of great old footage. And they really captured what had happened because it really fell apart.

And if you go back to Boston now, there's a few local comics. There's a few guys that are still making a living doing like the Dick Doherty comedy huts and local gigs in town. But there's not this swarm of young talent like it was back when that's why you hit now you go to austin and you know that's happening like that's where they're at yeah oh yeah yeah i'm going there in march because it's you know that's where the comics are yeah and then like denver seattle and yeah austin's fantastic denver too margie coil yeah she runs that march is the shit yeah and denver wendy's place yeah i was there last night situation it was you know every year for this festival i at least get one or two people from

denver so denver's legit they have a that's one of the reasons i lived in colorado for a little while oh wow legit they had a legit stand-up community i'm like i want to be in a place where it's more relaxed but also has like real comedy yeah and that's uh that's there's only a few places but boston used to be the place but there's a kid named rick jenkins remember rick sure i remember very well he runs this place in boston in canada called the boston comedy studio or something like that it's in the top of a chinese restaurant right and he's the one guy in boston who's really keeping that city alive so i go there and you know when i do this festival i look for people i go to the best comedy clubs and the best booker people like margie coyle yeah and say show me your 10 or 12 best people and they're you know they make it easy for me

well that's awesome dude i'm glad you're doing that man because we we need more more young guys getting breaks and chances and there's a lot of them out there people say oh it's there's nobody good but it's bullshit you know there's so many great young men and women that are out there and i find them all the time and they're popping up more and more now, I think. Because of these, you know, the Internet has created so many, like Bo Burnham, is that his name? Yeah. He became a star from the Internet. I met him once at one of these Twitter functions.

Super nice kid. I met him in Montreal, and he just tore the place apart. Became famous because of the Internet. Like, literally, someone found it and said, oh, my God, listen to this. They sent it. It became viral. Boom. Next thing you know, the guy's selling out theaters. Like Justin Bieber someone found it and they said, oh my God, listen to this. They sent it, it became viral, boom, next thing you know,

the guy's selling out theaters. Like Justin Bieber. Yeah. He is a Justin Bieber guy. He's really young as well. He's like 18-ish. He was 15 when he was first doing it. Yeah,

and a great guy. We live in beautiful times. It really is. So every year, I find 20 people. Like I got Drew Carey this year hosting it and I always bring a legend

like Lily Tom, I had Dick Cavett and these kind of people. And then I find 20 people. Like I got Drew Carey this year hosting it, and I always bring a legend like Lily Tom. I had Dick Cavett and these kind of people. And then I find 20 of the on-the-cusp people who are ready to rock and roll, and I bring them and put them in a situation where they're all with great comics who are smart so that they're forced to take it to the next level. And then they're working with like-minded comics. They're not working with some people who are kind of taking the middle of the road or that kind of a thing.

Hacky. Right. So I'm doing this audition tonight, and the guy said, so clean, TV clean. I go, edgy, smart. No milk toast. Just like Johnny Carson would have had it on his show. Beautiful.

Yeah. If someone wants to be a part of this, if you're not coming to their town, how can they get information on it or how to be a part of it next year? It's called the Great American Comedy Festival. Beautiful. And the only reason I came up with those words, Great America Comedy. Johnny Carson. Right.

So Johnny Carson. Get in touch with me. EddieBrill.com. Write to me and I'll look at your link. Is it an email address they can write to? Don't put it out there. Yeah. They'll send you dick pics.

I know. I know. I got enough of those. I bet you do. On my own. I bet you do. All right, man. Well, thank you, brother.

I just wanted to come say hi. I didn't know that you were in the middle of it. I'm glad you came in. No, it's all right, man. So good to see you. It's great to see you too, man. I'm going to come after the podcast over.

I'll come by and say hi. All right, sounds good. Nice to meet you. Real pleasure. Good to meet you as well. All right. Eddie Brill, ladies and gentlemen. See you, my brother.

Stopping in, dropping some magic on us. See you later. My son Dan is coming. in, dropping some magic on us. Yeah, man, I'm before. What's up, Dan? How are you, brother? See you later on. All right, we'll see you guys. Powerful Eddie Brill.

That's what it's like here in the Joe Rogan experience. Occasionally, people drop by. That's pretty cool, though. I like how he's doing that. Eddie was, it's always nice to run into people that were cool to you when they didn't have to be right you know and he was uh he was always nice to me like even back when i was a scrub men of character yeah he's just a good guy yeah it's a fun happy guy who really loves comedy you know so it's cool seeing him do something like that man so are you still gonna do some stand-up i heard you were putting together oh man oh man i got it i got a few minutes ready but it's it's rough it's really it's really rough

i think i think my girlfriend's the only one that's heard it oh she's she's in the back and she's covered her eyes she did one of those like cat pictures where the cat's like wow not this shit again wow i don't try any of my material on my wife ever. Yeah. Like sometimes, um, I'll, I'll like be writing something down and she like,

she'll go, what are you writing down? I'm like, do you really want to hear it? And she's like, I don't know. Do I really want to hear it? And I go,

okay, I'll tell you. Do you think this is funny? You know, like that. But I don't, I don't like try out shit on her. People don't appreciate that.

And then the other problem is then they've heard it already and then they see you do it on stage and yeah and they probably wouldn't laugh that way whereas if they didn't know you were going to do it like some people have said like they got upset at me because some of the stuff that was on my stand-up comedy special was stuff that i initially said on the podcast and then like explored further. But that's part of my creative process. If I say something on the podcast and it's really funny, what am I supposed to do, just let that go? No, I've got to turn that bitch into a bit now.

I have to. Well, that's just like ore with gold pieces in it. You've got to refine that down to the puro. Yeah, and that's the weird thing about stand-up comedy that people don't realize. It seems like a dude's just up there talking, but God damn, there's a lot more to it than that. There's so much extra shit.

It seems like one of the biggest challenges that I've ever, that's kind of what drew me to it, is it seems so hard. I've done debate speaking. I've done large-scale public speaking, presentations, expressing ideas. Not difficult for me, for whatever my constitution is, but to actually go up there and have to make people laugh, I look at it and say, I have no idea. I have no idea if this will cause a chuckle or it'll just be stone silent. Yeah. It's a funny art form because everybody's capable of doing it in certain small doses. Everybody's capable of doing it at a party or amongst friends.

Or you can get a concept out that happens to be funny. And a bunch of people laugh. And that becomes very intoxicating. But the idea that you can go and address a bunch of people that don't even know you. That are expecting to laugh that paid money yeah to sneak around the back and give them some laughter when they're looking for just a drink and some conversation but a good guy to talk to is brian because brian sort of got in on the cheat codes what because brian was stand-up comedy because uh brian when uh i first employed him wasn't doing comedy he. He had done comedy, but he quit.

And he didn't do it for years and years and years. And the day he went back and tried it again was during a UFC crowd in Atlanta on a fucking Friday night. So it was gangster. And it was a midnight show. And it's not like i had all my material remembered it was like like three four years ago since i've been on stage and i just had to go up on there well i got only that they didn't know you yet because this was pre-podcast yeah this was pre-podcast yeah this was like now he has cheat codes now he like everybody knows who he

is they know he's ridiculous so he goes up there and talks about coming on people and they start laughing. Yeah, there it is Say you that's you at the punchline Five years or something like that. I can't watch this Yeah, he you didn't eat a dick but you had several moments where you lick the shaft You didn't eat a dick, but you had several moments where you licked the shaft and put some balls in your mouth. But you didn't eat the dick. You pulled out of it, too. That was one of the most impressive things I said that night because you had some moments where you did really well, and then you had a drop-off bad.

I was like, oh, no, he's fucked. And the hardest thing is when they lose confidence in you and they're not laughing to bring them back up. I can only imagine, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't ever work in black crowds. In black crowds, once you lose it, you've got to get off the stage and run. You can't try to get it back because it's not coming back. Yeah, I saw Brian. I seen Brian a couple years ago, and you were okay then. But I saw you in Austin, and you were fucking good, man.

Thanks, man. I've got to give you some props. You were seriously funny there. So it's been cool to see that kind of progression go. He's got the cheat codes, but he also has material, too. He works at it. He's up tonight at the Ice House. But if you're going to do it, man, you got to just jump in.

You got to jump in. I'm thinking about it. How much material have you written? Well, I've timed myself myself and I have like a you know nine minutes seven minutes five minutes

kind of three minutes I've gotten that far so I know like what my thing is if you have that much if you have nine minutes you could probably do five minutes

yeah you need to trim it down trim it I bet your material needs to be trimmed I'm sure it does but I have nothing to trim it by

like I don't know what's funny so how do I trim out the shit? I've got to just bomb a few times. Sort of. Or you've got to read it to yourself. You've got to listen.

You know comedy. You've seen a lot of comedy shows. You've got to be able to sit there and sort of listen to it yourself. But that's hard, too, because there's some shit. Sometimes I'll write something, and I'll think it's funny,

and then I'll go on stage, and one part of it that I didn't think was funny is the funniest part. They're like howling, laughing at this one observation, and I thought that this other part was the really funny part. Comedy to this day is still, there's a lot of mystery involved in it. There's a lot of weirdness. It's a strange art form the challenging part for me at this point is just deciding on my tone you know because there's

almost a persona that you bring up there it's you but it's you being a little bit more of this or that right i mean like the type of energy you bring some comics are kind of laid back and they sneak the jokes in some right more intense and they really bring a lot of energy into it your delivery style yeah your delivery style yeah yeah you know like you bring a lot of intensity generally in it and crush and kill but then you'll see somebody else who's kind of i guess like mitch hedberg or someone like that right who's like really kind of cool and yeah playing it and it's i was like i don't know i don't know how to play my own material that's wow that's a good point.

I've been doing it for so long, I've sort of accepted the way I do it. And I don't really – I mean, I vary in certain bits. Certain bits are more quiet than other bits, which are more frenzied. But, yeah, now when I write material, I write it for my voice. You already hear that. I already know what that is. Yeah, and there's no right way to do it either, man. And I've seen guys change. That's weird when you see a guy that starts off and he's no right way to do it either man and i've seen guys

change that's weird weird when you see a guy he starts off and he's sort of jerry seinfeld dash and then somewhere along the line it becomes dane cook and you're like what happened here like you you like morphed man yeah yeah they're just trying to find themselves my shit's weird right now because i i start my new bits are more story-based bits and then i so i like going to these long kind of stories that have bits in it but then it goes into my older material which is more just like joke joke joke joke you know jokes per minute right you know where that's yeah well that's the evolution the evolution is you first start off i think you try to get things out of your mouth that are going to get laughs and you look at them as tools. Like, does this hammer work?

You're just trying to get it to work. That's the first stage. And the second stage is, okay, well, what makes you laugh? Instead of what makes them laugh, what do you know works? Instead of that, what would make you laugh if you were in the audience? And then the third stage is how do you get ideas across and point things out that you think are funny so like as you're moving through the stages like the first is just sort of jokes and then it becomes jokes that you think are funny and then it becomes like things that you're relating to

different aspects of your life and you know that's there's like stages of of the development of comedy it's fascinating i think for me the the the thing that may get me to actually do it is I feel like if I create interesting enough observations even if the comedy isn't quite up to mustard, they'll come back and be like oh yeah, that was interesting that he brought that point up. Which is probably kind of a backwards way to do it, but at least it's given me something to hang

on to. If I fucking bomb I will at least make them aware of some shit they were not aware of before. Yeah, well Bill Hicks had that saying, he said even if you they were not aware of before. Yeah, well, Bill Hicks had that saying. He said, even if you're not funny, be interesting. Yeah. Well, that sometimes seems like it would work, but other times where you're on a date with your girlfriend,

like, let's laugh tonight. I want to go out and fucking laugh. And then you go to a comedy show that's more just interesting. You'd probably be a little bummed. You would be. You would be. Yeah. Especially the kind of chicks that you date. Those bitches don't want to hear nothing. interesting you'd probably be a little bummed you would be you would be yeah especially the

kind of chicks that you date those bitches don't want to hear nothing they want to hear poopy farty jokes yeah no it's a good point i mean sometimes people just want to um they just want to fucking cut loose yeah yeah like sometimes you want to go see a james bond movie i don't give a fuck if it's realistic you know yeah by way, that last one wasn't realistic at all. Skyfire or whatever. Whatever the fuck it was. Shit was ridiculous. It was ridiculous.

But that Daniel Craig guy is the best James Bond ever. I agree. He's way better than that fucking Pierce Brosnan cat. He was the worst. A lot of these dynasties, I think, are getting better. Batman, Bond. Spider-Man's not. The new Spider-Man?

Fuck that Spider-Man. Twilight Spider-Man. That Yeah. Spider-Man's not. The new Spider-Man? Fuck that Spider-Man. Twilight Spider-Man. That's why you like it. I can't believe it. I can't believe you're saying that. What's wrong with the new Spider-Man? I don't even remember. I just remember I hated it.

Is that the amazing Spider-Man? Yeah. The one with the lizard? Yeah. I didn't see that. I thought that dude was alright. I was confused. I think Tobey Maguire.

I was just used to Tobey. I think Tobey Maguire is a good Peter Parker. I heard. And there's a reason to make him all Twilight-y. I heard Tobey's a cunt. Oh. I've heardcguire is a good peter parker and there's a reason to make them all twilighty i heard toby's a cunt oh i've heard it he's a good peter i've heard it from someone whose name rhymes with hyan hallen oh by the way brian callen will be with us this february 1st at mandalay bay me ari shafir brian callen Suck it We're going to be at the Mandalay Bay Event Center It's the same place where they do the weigh-ins

And it's going to be crazy Oh, big venue, biggest yet? It's pretty fucking big It's big It should be fun too because it's Super Bowl weekend In Vegas It was supposed to be Diaz Diaz is an agent now

He's like someone actually booking a place. So he says he's going to do things. Ah, I can't do that. I forgot. My fucking agent's booked me somewhere. I'm in Columbus. I'm in this place. He's got a lot.

He gets up at fucking 6 o'clock in the morning to do his podcast. It's such a good idea. From like 6 a.m. to 9. You think that's a good idea? No. Well, for him, he's always up. Yeah. He's up.

I mean, he gets up early and tweets in one hour. Like, I'm going to bed. It's 5 a.m. And he's tweeting. And in one hour, the Church of What Happened Now starts. When was the last time you saw 6 a.m. from that side, Brian? Not the back side. Flights.

Never. Yeah, waking up. No, not even that, because I usually stay awake for flights. So I don't think i've seen it in a long long time years yeah that's a shit fucking existence like getting up at 6 a.m when you're not you're not totally done sleeping and you have to get up but for joey he's done that's when he's done so weird yeah i've seen him do his podcast a couple times, but I was still, like, partying from the night before. He's wide awake, too.

It's crazy. Did you hear his national anthem rant? Did you hear that? Pull it up. Pull up Joey Diaz's national anthem. It's fucking hilarious. He was high as fuck at 6 a.m. going off about the national anthem. It's beautiful.

That's a guy who could change the world. He needs to be a court jester. What? The fuck are you talking about? Where's the national anthem, Lee? He's trying to get the guy to play the national anthem. I'm becoming communist

because... Listen how high his voice is. Yeah. What is this shit? What is this? Evening at the fucking pops? There's a bunch of gay guys. Put the fuck in the national anthem with the Marines and people shooting people. Oh, Jesus. What is this shit? What is this? Evening at the fucking pops? There's a bunch of gay guys. Put fucking a national anthem with the Marines and people shooting people.

What is this shit? With the flag. You got a bunch of, like, gay Marines playing that shit. The drums. It was a woman. What is that? What? I swear to God, if I had a knife, I would throw them at you.

It's a beautiful day to be alive, cocksuckers. Get up. This one has planes on the video. It looks like it should be okay. That's what I'm talking about. Get up, cocksuckers. Stop bad-mouthing your country and shit. You sack of shit.

Get up. I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing all this shit that there's no jobs and there's this. Get up. tired of hearing all this shit that there's no jobs and there's this you want to go to get up i'm sick and tired of add and cbd and erectile dysfunction get the fuck up look at yourself in the mirror you pathetic sack of shit get up you're an american there's people out there got nothing and you are crying like a fucking pussy you're a fucking american get bullied people coming into what happened to the stupid kids in the back of the class And shot people shit get up security guards teachers get guns. I want everybody with a fucking gun

You gotta protect yourselves. You're leaving here with a fucking slingshot. I'm 50 fucking years old I'm 50 fucking years old. Get up. You're a fucking American. Stop your crying. Fuck the NRA. Just get a gun. Get a BB gun.

Get a knife. I'm sick and tired of this. Get up. Stop complaining. You're a fucking American. Solid. That's what they should play at school not that pledge of allegiance

bullshit 50 Cent and Joey Diaz coining the term get up yeah Joey's is better it's more realistic Joey's is way better 50's just trying to

fuck white chicks I know what's going on try him get up yeah he's probably really successful especially with all that vitamin water money

did you ever see that shit that happened with him and Floyd Mayweather they had a fake feud online. No, I saw on the 24-7 that they were boys, though. I lost so much respect for them for that. They had a fake Twitter feud where they pretended to be angry with each other to get attention. Because they were trying to, I don't know what they were trying to pump up.

I don't know what a Floyd's upcoming fights or what the fuck the idea behind it was. But a fake Twitter feud between Floyd and 50 Cent, supposedly. So much of that rap game is so much image, though, too. They're just really putting on something. 50 is actually, one thing I do respect about him is he actually wrote a book with Robert Greene called The 50th Law. And in it, he's very honest about his calculating business approach to creating a persona that's going to sell well.

You know, he doesn't, he doesn't party. He doesn't do all the shit he talks about, you know, sitting in the club with a bottle above. He's not doing that shit. He's back writing,

he's plotting, he's planning, you know, he's very calculated in what he does. And when he talks, he talks honestly about that. But to see him do some kind of public feud, it just seems cheap.

Yeah. It seems a little cheap. Stupid. Him and Floyd Mayweather getting together. I mean mean aren't you guys both worth like a billion bucks like what the fuck are you doing fuck you doing like a couple of girls having a fake twitter feud yeah they probably watched beverly hills housewives like man we need to get on that strategy yeah if they want to create some real drama get floyd to fight fucking pacquiao not anymore not anymore that ship has sailed yeah that's sad that one marquez punch just changed changed everything two punches the one

that he knocked him down with earlier yeah that changes a little bit but the end one the big one to put him away that was probably the most violent we've ever seen a hero get knocked out yeah because the tyson knockout was a beatdown, but he was conscious, and he was moving around. He was trying to grab his mouthpiece, and the referee rescued him. He was standing up. If you look at all the various times that someone was a hero, and they got beat in the prime, that was the most violent.

A guy just got completely starched. The second one would be Roy Jones Jr. when he fought Glenn Johnson, but by then he had already been knocked out one time. Yeah, he was already on that. Yeah. He didn't have that invincible air. Yeah, he'd already gotten knocked out by,

what the fuck's his name? The dude that, handsome black guy. What the fuck is his name? I't recall it makes me wonder if that if that very questionable loss that pacquiao had had some impact on his psychology when he was going out there like he was a little more aggressive or something that he was really trying to prove that uh he wasn't going to leave it in the judge's hands. Antonio Tarver. Antonio Tarver was the guy. Yeah, I think that could have something to do with him. And sometimes a fighter just has your number.

You know, there's sometimes like, you know, there's that thing that they say, style makes fights. And everybody, you know, says, oh, that's a cliche. And it kind of is a cliche, but it kind of is true, too. There's some guys that just have a guy's number. Vernon Forrest with Sugar Shane Mosley. Vernon Forrest just had Sugar Shane's number. He knew how to beat him. He could beat him. And Sugar Shane would beat more guys than Vernon would beat.

If they both fought like the same guys, Sugar Shane would win more than Vernon would win. But when they got together, Vernon won twice. And the way he won didn't look like Sugar Shane was ever going to beat him. It looked like he just had his number. And that's a strange thing with fighting. And with fighting, the way Marquez and Pacquiao lined up, man, they were just so goddamn close.

It's like what his strengths were sort of overcame what Pacquiao's strengths were. And what Pacquiao's strengths were were just enough to edge by Marquez in two different fights. Marquez could take a fucking punch, though. That's one of the reasons why he's always still in the game. Sure. Because he can take a punch and then fire back with his own shit. Whereas a lot of guys got overwhelmed by Pacquiao's power and hand speed. Marquez could take it, man.

He could take it. So that made him extra dangerous. I wonder what that is. I've tried to talk to the neurosurgeon that we have working with on it about that. What it is about an individual that allows them to take a punch. It's pretty interesting. What makes the short circuit easier happen? The weak chin.

I would imagine it's a combination of experience experience structure yeah structure structure guys like mark hunt who was legendary for his ability to take punches cabbage who was legendary for his ability to take punches big giant heads you know both those guys are just big giant fucking ironed heads but then you get some smaller mexican boxers a lot of mexicans have really good chins for some reason not to generalize but it just seems like that's that's part of the program and then some of those lighter weights i think with a lot of mexicans um what it is also is a certain amount of your ability to take punishment is your desired win yeah and your drive and your

heart and mexican fighters have always been known for their heart and their toughness and endurance your ability to withstand a shot and come back because you're in shape and you recover that's big but mexican fighters have always been known for their like willingness to scrap and for their their ability to take a shot and come back and i think a lot of that has to be like a desire a drive you know like they're proud of their ability to like they're not pussies. Just an overwhelming will. They don't want any way out.

Yeah. No way out. No way out. They're not looking for a way out. They're looking to win. Like you look at like the great Mexican boxers that embodied that, like Julio Cesar Chavez. Yeah. Chavez in his prime was that personified.

He would bite down his mouthpiece and the bell would ring and he was coming after you. And he wasn't thinking about whether or not he was going to win it was he was definitely going to win he's just going to beat your fucking ass you know he's gonna and you're hitting him and hitting him hitting him meldrick taylor and him fought for 12 fucking hard rounds and with 10 seconds to go in the 12th he drops meldrick taylor and they stopped the fight. I mean, it was that ridiculous. Like, he was never looking for a way out. He was always trying to win. And he was legendary in his ability to take a shot.

But then again, Frankie Randall came around and had Chavez's number, whereas he just had this fucking powerful straight right. He knew how to land it, and boom, all of a sudden Chavez was down. Everybody's like, what? And he beat him twice. And it was one of those things where it's like, this is just a dude that has his number. He knows how to beat him.

It's just weird how much, you know, stylistically, how much that factors into certain fights. There's certain guys where you could see them fight the same dude a hundred times. They're never going to beat that guy. Unless that guy breaks his hand or slips a disc in the middle of a fight, they're never going to beat that guy. Unless that guy breaks his hand or slips a disc in the middle of a

fight, you're not going to beat him. He's going to beat you. And then there's Anderson Silva. These fucking guys where you can't figure out anybody that's ever going to beat him. That was one of the more mind-blowing sports events. There's been a couple in my life, but seeing him in Brazil. Aubrey came with

me to Brazil. We were ringside right there while that fight happened. I mean, to see him do that just blew your mind. I mean, I've seen him do amazing things, pinpoint strikes, great maneuvers. But the way he just did that, just saying, I don't care. I'm going to put myself. He dodged that spinning back kick it hit the fence and then he goes right back where that kick landed like okay i mean you missed me there but i'm gonna stand right here and then just slipped them oh my god it was what he was like operating on not just

one level but several levels faster than stephen bonner where he could just move away from anything bonner through any punch that he threw he could roll with it's like he he had such faith in his reflexes and his skill of of defense and avoiding things that he literally backed his body up to the cage and allowed the dude to throw shots at him yeah i've never seen never seen that never and then when he decided to win he stopped the fight like almost immediately yeah dropped him slammed a knee into a solar plexus and the fight's over and he just like holy shit you have to imagine that was the same place that these legendary warriors we've talked about musashi before but that print that place of no mind that yeah i've

been actually reading a book which is a crazy radical book i don't even know if we want to get into it. It's called zero limits, but one good thing about it is it talks about getting to a zero state and the zero state is where there's no thought, no emotion, no anything else. The only thing left to come to you is inspiration, you know, but for an athlete, the zero state, I think is the zone, you know, it's where there's absolutely nothing interfering with your training and your instincts yeah and he just taps into that completely so you know his impulses are just right there's no nothing blocking what he knows how to do and he's trained himself to be the best already physically yeah and then mentally he's impeccable he's so confident now too it's like with every fight that he's won in the Octagon,

he's slowly moved his way into where he's at now, which is like this almost unreachable frequency. All these people that are trying to get to his title, you look at them and you're like, you really want to shot that guy? Because I'm looking at the way you move, and I look at the way he moves, and I'm like, I don't think you can move the way he moves,

and he's going to fuck you up. A lot of them are talking good. they're saying they want to get a piece at Anderson they want to get a piece and then you'll see him lose to like some contender along the way like listen man you got lucky you're lucky you avoided that execution because the kind of execution that Anderson gives you is one of those retirement executions

where you just stop and you go you know Stefan Bonner after that fight was flying back with Dana White, and he said he was just shaking his head going, no one's ever done that to me before. I've never seen anybody do that. I didn't think anybody could do that. He's like, no one's ever done that to me before.

It was just humbling. He's like, the guy's an alien. You know, and that kind of devastation that Anderson can put on you, you look at the mountain ahead of climbing to get to the level of proficiency that you saw him exhibit on you. And you go, where I can't get there. I did.

My body doesn't move like that. Like it's like, there's certain physical limitations that certain people are just, they just have. And certain physical advantages that some people just have like a guy like John Jones, or you look like a guy like john jones or you look at a guy like kevin randleman when he was in his prime he's one of my favorites as far as like unbelievable athleticism and speed and power kevin randleman when he was in his prime

was just a his nickname was the monster it was a perfect nickname he was a jump up bring both of his legs up in the air he was so scary he was such a athlete. And if you don't have that kind of athleticism, you are never going to be able to do the stuff that he can do. You can't move the way he moves. You just can't. And if a guy like Kevin Rendleman, who is this incredible athlete, dedicates himself and learns the techniques that a guy like Anderson Silva learns and gets to that level of proficiency and timing

and confidence that Anderson Silva has. And then another guy tries to get there but doesn't have the same body as Kevin Randleman, he won't be able to compete with Kevin Randleman. It's just there's certain, the roll of the dice is not even. Everybody gets a different hand of cards and some people get two twos

and some people like john jones get four aces you know and it's it's a weird thing but that's just the way it is you know it seems like he's epitomized the body type for mma anderson and john jones yeah well both are long thin yeah yeah you know you find that for now you see it in basketball you see it the sports have kind of created a body type that's ideal. And I think with them, you're seeing it exemplified. That extra length, that extra snap. Reach is huge.

It's always huge. I've always been short. So for me, fighting tall guys was always an issue. It was always like another thing that you're fighting, trying to get close to them and developing timing. The thing about shorter guys, though, guys like Tyson showed that there's a certain amount of benefit to being short. Oh, sure. Because they can unload these ridiculous combinations in fast, close quarters where you can't sort of like the tall, gangly person can't really deal with it.

But the length of their arms actually becomes a disadvantage. And in MMA, you see that with Hector Lombard, who's a fascinating specimen because he's not just this ridiculous power puncher, but he's also this massively talented judo guy with giant muscles. So it's like he's this crusher who also has this sick grappling as well. So he's not worried about you taking him down because most likely you're not going to. So he's trying to close the distance and drop bombs on you. Did you see that fight with him and Husamar Pajaras?

No, I missed that one. Oh! Killer, huh? Oh! Well, Pajaras is built just like he is. So Lombard is like 5'7", 185 pounds of solid muscle, as is Pajaras. They're both like the same size. They're both like the same size. They're both built the same way.

But Pajaras can't crack the way that Hector Lombard can crack. So Hector Lombard just teed off on him and stopped him. But there's an advantage to that sort of body type, that Hector Lombard style body type. But I think there's a bigger advantage to the John Jones, Anderson Silva type. But there will always be room for Tyson tyson created himself into an unstoppable force yeah you know watching him train the old tyson training videos are awesome just how he would perfect that torque and that slip and that movement it was like uncorking the most powerful force from the

ground like every part of his muscle was working together when he was throwing those hooks and uppercuts yeah the way his body was moving, he made himself into an unstoppable force for a while. And then, you know, that, that petered out, but somebody could still do that.

There was also the intensity to his delivery that like we had never seen before. And the Tyson era before Tyson, we were looking at guys like Tony Tubbs and Pinklin Thomas and really like, you know, I don't want to say this in any disrespect, but there's no other way to say it. They were lazy.

They were guys who were just, they really had no business being at the top of the heap. In any other sport, they wouldn't have been. They wouldn't have been at the top of the heap in basketball. Like Pinklin Thomas wouldn't have been an all-star NFL running back. He didn't have that kind of discipline. He wasn't that kind of fighter. But Tyson was. So he came along in that kind of fighter, but Tyson was. So he came along in this era of people who were slacking,

and here's a guy who would say, I get up at 5 o'clock in the morning, I do my jogging, and the reason why I do my running at that time is because I know that no one else is awake at that time. I remember him saying that, and he goes, it gives me an extra edge. I remember thinking, this guy is trying to get edges everywhere he can he's getting up earlier than anybody running and he seemed running in the dark and he just looked like a muscle just like a corded muscle he was he was built like unlike any heavyweight before him except like he was like a bigger version of like joe frazier like a much more muscular version of joe frazier but much faster. Much faster.

You know, like his ability to deliver punches like with speed. Like there's a video of him hitting the heavy bag. It's one of the most ridiculous things you'll ever see in your life. Because he's hitting it like a flyweight. It's like... No heavyweights did that at the time. No one unleashed those kind of like five, six punch combinations inside of like two seconds. He was a guy who came along and just said, everybody's operating at 70 RPMs.

Okay, I'm going to go to 1,000. See if you can keep up. Good luck. Come get me. Have you seen some of those videos of like really young kids doing MMA now? Yeah. That's pretty dope. Yeah.

This is two twins out of Vegas. And I've seen them hit the pads and stuff. When I saw them, they were like five and I think they're probably about 10 or more. It might be, maybe 12 even now.

So they're approaching like the teenage years which will be here before you know it and then they'll be men and these guys, they started out, their body has developed

moving like that. Their body's developed throwing up, you know, just effortless arm bars and throwing combinations and leg kicks and shit. And their parents are super dedicated. Their parents take them to the gym all the time and they're always there with them and supporting them. It's pretty fucking wild. They're in that Tap Out commercial. You ever seen that commercial with the two kids? I haven't seen it, no.

Let me see if I can find it online because it's pretty wild. Yeah, I've just seen the YouTube stuff. It's crazy impressive. Oh, yeah. And that's what Rory McDonald is, man. These guys that are coming up now. Brian, go to Ruffo Brothers commercial. R-U-F-F-O.

Ruffo Brothers commercial. R-U-F-F-O. Rufo Brothers commercial. This is a commercial that they have for Tap Out. And you see these little kids. They have mohawks. And they're throwing punches and kicks in the air. And it's pretty wild looking at it. It's like everything they're doing, they're doing perfectly. They're hitting the pads.

And they're hitting them perfectly, throwing kicks, taking people down, doing duck-unders and shit. Their body is developing, learning all these skills. And in the video, Mark Coleman is coaching them, and he's coaching them how to throw takedowns. This one? Yeah, this is it. Yeah, this is it. Look at these little kids,. I mean these are like babies

They look like they're like five and they're getting coaching by rest his soul Sean Tompkins in the background One of the great MMA coaches of all time who recently died great guy They see like he's ducking under there like this guy's holding the pads for him. Look at Mark. That's the hammer, bitch. That's Mark Coleman, motherfucker. He's teaching them how to take people down. Look, they're throwing up arm bars. They're tapping each other.

It's amazing, man. Look at these combinations. And he's fucking five. That's so scary. Badass little kids, man. That's dope. And it's not them, by the way. They're just one example. I'm sure there's a hundred of them. It's so scary. Badass little kids, man. That's dope. And it's not them, by the way. They're just one example.

I'm sure there's a hundred of them. It's the movement. They're all over the world now. I mean, people that are really into having their kids get into athletics, there's going to be a lot of crazy dads out there that want their kids to operate on the highest level. I'll take those kids. Do you think so?

I think they would out-cardio you. They would just dance around you and kick your legs until you gave so? I think they would out-cardio you. They would just dance around you and kick your legs until you gave up. I would just hold them down. You would start coughing up these brown Smurfs. They would just fucking... Hold on. You'd like fucking try to light up while you're holding the kid's head. I'll do it while I'm smoking.

Yes, I will take them. What do you think the number of kids is that you couldn't take? If you multiplied, if you cloned those kids, how many would it be before you just got work? Like seven. Seven drove around on that? We went over this before. I could take a thousand crows with a tennis racket.

Crows? Yeah, I will fuck up a thousand crows with a tennis racket. I am 100% convinced of that. They're pretty big, man. There's these crows at my house right now. They're fucked. I'm bringing the thunder, son. I'm going to take that tennis racket. I am 100% convinced of that. They're pretty big, man. There's these crows at my house right now. They're fucked. I'm bringing the thunder, son. I'm going to take that tennis racket. I'm going to put one of those things on so I can't lose it.

It's going to be tied around my wrist. Then I'm going to duct tape that bitch through my hands and around my wrist. I'm just going to fucking spin like a tornado and just quack, quack. I'll fuck up 1,000 crows set it up there's a lot of like the size of cats yeah and I'll fuck up a thousand cats to give me a thousand

cats in a tennis rack oh if a thousand cats attacked you you'd be dead ah no no first of all they don't have any organizing skill so they're gonna go one at a time like one of those Steven Seagal movies they get a circle and then dive in they're not gonna like cats don't act in packs Cacks the cats are loners and cats would like if one cat went in the other cats bug. Let's see what happens Yeah, they would they would be a little bit more clever. They wouldn't attack you and mass This is all the cat would have to do have you seen this video before? Watch this cat fucks this guy up seen this video before? No. Domestic short hair. He's available for adoption. He's pet of the week. Plaster County Animal Shop. All right, watch this.

This cat fucks this guy up. Oh, man. He's got it in a fucking... He's choking it, man. Oh, man. I hope that cat fucks that guy up. Yeah, he does. Oh, my God. But this poor cat thinks he's dying, man. You're choking him arounds that guy up. Yeah, he does. Oh, my God. But this poor cat thinks he's dying, man.

You're choking him around his neck. He's trying to run away. Does it get worse? Yeah, it gets... The cat's still not winning. Well, the cat's flopping around while he's getting strangled, man. You can't put a cat on a bed. Oh, now he's around.

Oh, Jesus! Get him. Get him, cat. Now the cat's just locked on his leg. He's biting the fuck out of him. Get him. He's basically biting where his dick is, really close to his dick. And the cat just ran away.

He had to let go. He gave up. The cat gets away. Thunder Cat's home. Yeah. If you want to get away and your cat bited you in the dick, that's what I learned from that video. So just wear a cup in your thousand cat battle. Jesus Christ, man.

Why would they do that and have it around its neck like that? What did they expect it to do? Yeah, it's for one of those news stations where you're trying to adopt a cat, you know, where they'll have like the reporter, you know, like this. And they kept it going live? Is this Chicken Jack 2? Oh, yeah. This one here, out of their car and killing them. That was part of their

sentence. This little guy's having fun. That's a bad sound. When that sound goes, you drop. Ow! Oh, man. Oh, she's like, There's no crying in cat adoption. Wow, that girl. She fell out of her character right away.

Is there any more annoying character than the news character person? The person who just, everything seems fine here. We're just going to adopt this cat. Just no real personality. It's like a complete cookie cutter sort of way of talking and behaving. The local news anchor person. They want all your personality just squeezed out. The most personality you have is after some completely wacky story,

you're allowed to go, well, isn't that something? Huh. All right. Well, here's Bob with sports sports and you're allowed to do that but you know other than that you have to act like you are a completely robotic cookie cutter type of human being yeah here's why so many people get that black guy who got the bug in his mouth and went ghetto do you remember that one that's a good one because when black guys do that it's perfect because when when black guys take on the

black guy version of the white answer guy announcer guy from the news and then he got a bug in his mouth or some shit he went fucking crazy and he's like goddamn motherfucker he starts screaming and shit you find that there's a hundred cats that's only a hundred and you think you get a thousand watch what's when this lady depends on what i'm dressed like. All those cats just fucking... It's like a sea. Is this a crazy cat lady? Yeah. What is this?

Yeah. They're all strays. She kept all these strays, and she just has all these cats in her house. Where do they shit? Everywhere. This is her house? Can you imagine what that smells like? Yeah, that's her house.

Oh, my God. They're going to kill that bitch. Cat enthusiast is what she's called. Look at her. She looks like a cat enthusiast. She looks like some of the girls that I dated when I was in my 20s, but now they're 60. Boston girls. Yeah. Monster.

Look, she's all dolled up for this too. Look at this crazy bitch. She's like Joey Diaz's bathroom. You think her house smells like piss? Hardly, right? How much litter does she use in a day? It's 100 cats. Meanwhile, they feel like they're in prison. Like, why are we all inside? Do you have a door? Can we get outside? Can we get out of here? Why do you want to keep're in prison. Like, why are we all inside? Do you have a door? Can we get outside?

Can we get out of here? Let us out. Why do you want to keep us in this house? Let's have some birds. Bitch, are you crazy? Have you heard about that new species of spider that makes its own decoy? No. Yeah. That's weird.

It's a fucking species of spider. It's found in the Tambopata. T-A-M-B-O-P-A-O Pata. P-A-T-A. Tambor Pata. Tambor Pata Research Center in the Amazon. And they make a decoy out of leaves and dead bug parts and other

scraps. And they piece together an artificial spider. And what comes after it, though? Who wants to jack a spider? That's a really good fucking question something has to be trying to jack it if they're setting themselves up as bait the rainforest is so fucked though i assume that nothing's safe i think everything gets jacked in the rainforest probably yeah what what isn't you know what's safe what really happened on that

thursday here at augusta high school that led to Chris Wood's death. The fuck is that? Shit! I'm dying in this fucking country-ass fucked-up town. Country-ass fucked-up town because a bug flew in his mouth. I can't see, Paula. Let's get the fuck out of this country, motherfucker.

I can to see you. Wait. Okay. Got real, real quick. The fake newscaster voice. What is it? Those people, I think, are the biggest perverts. Because I think it's a lot like uh

and this is not based on any research whatsoever i'm just talking on my ass but i think if i had a guess i would say that a lot of those dudes are perverted because of this the same reason why catholic priests become perverted you tell them they can't fuck ever you know and they get suppressed and like you tell these people they can't behave nutty ever and they go they go off the deep end well this is restricting other emotions, though. So maybe they're just really, they just lose their fucking temper. They lose their cool like that. Oh, yeah, because they're so like.

Because emotional repression, personality repression. I bet they're on a lot of Ambien. Oh, a lot of Ambien. There's a lot of Ambien in the sports world. A lot of the guys I work with take Ambien. Like guys in the production on the UFC, they're always fucking popping Ambien in the sports world. A lot of the guys I work with take Ambien. Like guys in the production on the UFC, they're always fucking popping Ambien. They pop them on a plane, pop them in a hotel room. I'm like, you guys are fucking crazy, man.

I pop New Mood. New Mood. Melatonin. I'm just going to... Fuck. I forget what I was going to download. God damn it. I was trying to pull something up.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Fuck. God damn it Bring me giants No no no God damn it I totally lost my thought It was about The spider Fuck God damn it I hate when that happens No Brian fucked me up by throwing up this video

Of this guy We were talking about the spider No Amazon fucking things up Things dying me up by throwing up this video of this guy we were talking about the spider yeah no amazon fucking things up things dying yeah god damn it train of thought on podcast is is is never a free-flowing pie chart where you can write it's like not a linear progression like a tree where branches are floating in the air and you got to grab them while you can. Or you'll lose them. I lost that one.

Fucking shit. Why are you laughing, fucker? This is a funny picture. Of what? This is a cat getting a snowball. Oh, the cat taking a snowball right in the face? He's going to catch it. Is he trying to catch a snowball? Yeah. Oh, that cat taking a snowball right in the face? He's going to catch it. Is he trying to catch a snowball?

Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. That's so stupid. That's the things you do when you live in Ohio. Throw snowballs at your cat. Damn, I wish I could remember what the fuck I wanted to bring up. Fuck. It had something to do with the Amazon.

It had something to do with spiders and crazy shit that they're finding now in the Amazon. They never run out of things that will kill you down there. They're always finding some new shit. They found in the Congo, they found a group of spiders

that acts as a pack. First time they've ever observed this, that there's hundreds of spiders and they make a group of spiders that acts as a pack. First time they've ever observed this, that there's hundreds of spiders, and they make a big, gigantic web. And then when big shit goes in there, like rats or something big enough, they just swarm it and fuck it up. That's a nightmare for me. Yeah. They figured out how to act as packs.

It's really spooky. I think there's a YouTube video of that, too. Hold on. Spiders act as packs. My girlfriend is covering her eyes she has a massive spider phobia this will be does she really yeah incredible it's like legit like legit like as strong as any spider phobia in any other human ever does she know that that that couch had a nest of spider eggs in it uh did it really yeah why was that why'd you have well i think i killed

it all i just sprayed Windex on it today. I don't think that's enough, man. It just made him mad. Right now, her back is tensing up really hard, and she's losing some muscular control. There was a few hatching ones. She doesn't pee herself, but it gets close. I'm just kidding. There's no spider there. Just a bunch of cum.

Brian, pull this up. Spiders living in groups in Congo on YouTube. Spiders living in groups in Congo. This. Spiders living in groups in Congo. This is the first video that comes up on a Google search. It's a BBC documentary that shows these fucking spiders acting as a pack. Spiders. They found a frog that flies recently. Like a flying squirrel.

They're going to find so much shit underwater, too. To the recently. Like a flying squirrel. They're gonna find so much shit underwater too. Yeah. To the Congo. This is the Congo, Africa's mightiest forest. That bitch is not even there. She's in a backyard right now pretending. She's too pretty to be in the Congo.

Look at all these spiders. Fun spiders creepy enough, but these communal spiders live in groups of up to 1500 in a single giant web. Look at that. That's so fucked. They move together in a sinister, secretive storm. She's got her head down.

She can't see it. Whitney, you want to come over here and check this out? It's like something out of a nightmare. Look at what happens when they get something. They just all swarm. They're super little. That's so scary. Maybe that moth might be the size of a fucking gullwing, for all we know. together like this. But it makes sense here in the underworld, as webs are often destroyed

by rain and falling debris or animals charging through. The spiders do most of their web repairs at night. And I can't see me getting much rest either. I'm masturbating. Dude. That's scary.

Yeah, that sucks a fat one. There's a video on ridiculousness of this guy trying to capture a giant spider a video on ridiculousness of this guy trying to capture a giant spider in australia on the wall and he has like this tupperware and a helmet and he goes to put it on the thing and the thing just jumps right at his face just bam hits him right in the helmet that was some spooky shit too or how about a spider and some cocaine did you ever see this video joe spider on cocaine spider with a whole bunch of cocaine is that real?

That's not real. And I guess he just starts freaking out. I think that would kill him. It's probably sugar. You ever seen a spider on acid? Wait a minute. Spider on... Is this real, Brian?

I don't know. This looks animated to me. I don't think it's animated, but I don't know This looks animated to me I don't think it's animated But I don't know if it's cocaine I doubt it's cocaine What is he doing? Oh my god He's covering himself with sand

Cocaine He's just like I can't get enough Are they actually saying That it's cocaine? Yeah If you had that much coke The last thing you'd want to do

Is experiment with spiders If there was a spider And it was in a hooker's asshole You'd go yeah Maybe that guy's got real coke there was a spider and it was in a hooker's asshole, you'd go, yeah, maybe that guy's got real coke. But just a spider like that? Yeah, there's a YouTube video called

Spiders on Drugs, which I believe they back in the day, they gave acid to spiders to see what they... The wood spider is the most accomplished of all web-building species. Recently, scientists gave these tiny creatures a variety of psychoactive drugs to observe their effects on web building.

When given a minute dose of LSD, the spider's web took on an unfamiliar, minimalist structure. Yeah, look at that. Didn't get much work done. When given caffeine, the web's structure was not affected, but the spider's behavior was. Whoa. Given THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, the spider didn't build a web.

It built a hammock where it lay all day and watched the caffeine spider go. That shit's not true. That's not true. You just fuck people over with disinformation. That's so wrong, man. It's not true, right? I think there really was a test. The cocaine spider figured building webs was for suckas.

Waited till the caffeine spider was exhausted, then came up behind it and popped a cap in its ass. He's got a gun! Nice web, Mr. Crack Spider. The marijuana spider had no place to live. It ended up in the crack web as the crack spider's bitch. For more information on the crack spider's bitch...

It's so funny. That's ridiculous. Did you hear about this study that they're trying to do? Harvard Medical School is looking for an adventurous woman who's willing to give birth to a Neanderthal. Awesome. They're really going to make a Neanderthal. Awesome. They're really going to make a Neanderthal.

They're going to make out of a fucking human being. I don't know how the fuck they're going to do it. Like Jurassic Park style? They find an old bone and they're going to get some DNA out of there? Yeah. Well, what's really bananas is that they're actually creating a life that is essentially a type of human being. I mean, Neanderthals are essentially a type of human being, right?

Right. I mean, that's the definition. They're not homo sapien, but they are a type of human being, right? Like, isn't that like Homo florensis? Are they a type of human? I don't know. Are they a type of primate? We haven't had to cross that bridge.

It hasn't come up yet. But that's the slippery slope. How far back do we still have to give them the rights of people, or should we give them the rights of people? Are they a type of primate? We haven't had to cross that bridge. It hasn't come up yet. But that's a slippery slope. How far back do we still have to give them the rights of people? Or should we give them the rights of people? We should treat all animals with respect. But how far back in the species chain do we declare somebody a sentient being? Well, yeah, not only that.

What do you do with this thing? Do you allow it to go into society and mate? Do you allow it to have a life? What if you make a male and it starts raping? What if it goes in the UFC? What if it goes in the UFC? Or Geico. Jesus Christ.

What if it's five feet tall, 200 pounds? That's what Neanderthals weighed. And just chimp strong. Because Neanderthals, by the way, had bone structure that was completely different than ours. I mean, their bones were much thicker, much heavier. They were literally five feet tall, 200 pounds. And that's just different. They're built different than human beings.

Would they allow that? There would have to be a whole new set of rules. One of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. A lot of things in our society would get really kind of weird if there was another set of sentient beings. Did you district nine i did did you like it that was all right i liked it yeah yeah i thought it was pretty interesting what they were trying to do if you haven't seen it's a science fiction movie about this alien spacecraft wasn't there supposed to be more of them yeah i think they were going to do another one they were going to do they left room at the end of it for a sequel but it was the

science of cgi animation gotten good enough where they could make a realistic movie about these these aliens living amongst people and the way they did it was pretty kind of it was pretty cool about how they just sort of assimilated and sort of became a part of a life here on earth that people just dealt with the fact that these uh what did they call them they called them they had some fucking creepy name for them that pissed them off oh yeah yeah but i mean if they went a hold and went and went ahead rather and and did this and created neanderthals we might find out why neanderthals are extinct you know we might have killed them off i mean it's very possible that human beings killed them off because we don't know what their behavior was like, but we do know what the behavior of a lot of other primates is like.

We know how fucking ruthless chimpanzees are. We know how ruthless baboons are. We know how ruthless people are. We know how ruthless homo sapiens are. What if Neanderthals take it to the next level? What if they're just fucking baby-eating psychos? Because we found evidence of cannibalism on a lot of human corpses that they think might have been either a result of Homo sapiens

or Neanderthals, predator Neanderthals going after people. And there might have been humans hunting humans and Neanderthals hunting after people. And there might have been humans hunting humans, and Neanderthals hunting people, or people hunting them. They also know that, it was one of the things I talked about with Steve Rinella, the Native Americans were rampant cannibals in a lot of parts of this country. For show or for meat? For meat.

Really? Yeah, especially the Great Lakes area, apparently. Great Lakes area, they were known for catching people and eating them. That's one of the things that's always difficult when you look at these cultures that you revere. Because I certainly revere a lot of things about Native American spirituality and certain things about Mesoamerican spirituality as well. But then you see these cultures

in their peak doing things like human sacrifice or cannibalism or weird things. And you're like, huh? Well, they weren't quite there yet. Had some good principles. Yeah, they were still ripping people's hearts out to please the sun god. Yeah. Well, the creation of the temple of Teotihuacan, is that how it's said?

The Aztec temple where they killed 80,000 people in four days. They sacrificed something like 80 000 people they were all prisoners essentially that they used to build the temple then once they were done they're like okay cool we're gonna fucking kill y'all now now that we now that we're done so it's like on one hand you have this amazing society that's capable of creating such a you know magnificent structure like this gigantic aztec temple. On the other hand, they're also capable of killing everybody

that helped build it, cutting their fucking hearts out, chucking them down a flight of stone stairs. Thunk, thunk, thunk, thunk, thunk. Next. Somebody, Dan Doty, one of the guys that was working on that meat eater show with me,

when we were going over this, we were talking about how crazy those numbers are. He did a calculation of it. It means you have to kill someone every 13 seconds. Massive. Massive. And they're doing it with obsidian knives and stuff. Yeah, they're fucking hacking your head off with a stone axe. Yeah.

And they're killing someone every 13 seconds. It's intense. This doctor has a really crazy ideal and outlook on this to sort of justify. You can tell that this guy wants to do this. This is one of his quotes. If you become a monoculture, you are at great risk of perishing. Therefore, the recreation of Neanderthals would be mainly a question of societal risk avoidance. Neanderthals would be mainly a question of societal risk avoidance.

So he's saying that it would benefit the human race to reincorporate Neanderthals into our population. How the fuck do you know, man? How the fuck do you know what they're like? They are way more primitive than us. We're just accepting that physically, they're way more dominant than us they probably would beat us in sports their bones are thicker they're probably much stronger yeah if we could outsmart them but here's the thing they had bigger brains than us yeah but we won yeah but why did we win do we want win because we're the more evil you know i wonder i wonder what the hell it was

i think that's why we got to do it let's figure it out. You think we're more clever than them? Cause there's also evidence that Neanderthals like had figured out a lot of shit that we figured out like tool making and fire. They didn't figure out the internet though. They didn't have guns. Dummies. Yeah. I think,

I think we're on a path towards more clever and more spiritually enlightened, but it's a very divergent path. It has big errors and big fuck-ups and big terminal nodes that really aren't going anywhere and are just going to have people die. Maybe we're the cunts. Maybe we won and we're the cunts

and the Neanderthals should have won. Maybe they were way cooler than us and we just overwhelmed them with cuntiness. And maybe all the shit that we point to as problems in our society could all be avoided if we went back to being neanderthals neanderthals one that was the first triumph of evil ever get out well this is one of the things that the guy's saying that neanderthals uh might think differently than we do we know they have a larger cranial size and they could even be more intelligent than us wow that is crazy i never heard anybody say that

when the time comes to deal with an epidemic of getting off the planet or whatever, it's conceivable that their way of thinking could be beneficial. This guy's fucking crazy. Their way of thinking. He wants to raise a fucking civilization of Neanderthals. He wants to bring... This guy probably masturbates to pictures of Neanderthals. He's probably a freak.

This guy's asking a woman to give birth to a fucking new kind of monkey or a new kind of whatever the fuck it is. If it's not a human. I mean, a human is homo sapien, right? Is that the case? So what is that?

So Neanderthal is just another type of primate or is it another type of human? I think it was another, no, I think it was a different chain. I think, as far as I recall,

and this is a little vague, but I think it was a different chain of evolution where that one terminated in neanderthal and another one all the homo erectus homo sapiens they all went on another evolutionary chain is i think that's how it went i don't think if there's a direct link but i don't know yeah i don't know either yeah interesting to think about though and it also gets you know the minute you introduce especially a more advanced cultures like if if there were an alien culture that would come the amount of chaos that would cause particularly in the religious

structure of things would be earth-shaking i mean the whole tenets of all of this, that we are created in God's image perfectly, blah, blah, blah, all that. And then you have someone who's smarter, cooler, badder than us. And then how do you rectify that with all these major religions? I think that would be the biggest, there would be a huge upheaval if that happened, massive chaos. Yeah, what the fuck man have you google neanderthal profile of a super predator this is one uh widely discounted and i should say this widely discounted theory however it's kind of fun kind of fun to talk about neanderthal

poor profile Kind of fun to talk about. Neanderthal profile of a monster? The profile of a super predator. This guy had this idea that the vision that we had of Neanderthals looking just like us was really based on nothing. We don't have any actual Neanderthal bodies. We're putting skin on them and recreating them with clay. And why would we do this and make it look like that when we might want to make it look like a gorilla or a chimp or a profile super predator.

Look up videos, buddy. Video. Go to video. YouTube. What is that? Would you put butthole or Mexican in there? How are you getting all these Mexicans? Mustachio.

What are you doing? I didn't do anything. How are you getting this? Oh, that's not Neanderthal. Google. No, Google did it. Ne- Ne-

Ne- Yeah, that's what you need. It's just it's just any a slick looking mustache. Any a n d e r t h a l. That's it. Click on the first one. It's kind of cool. Go full screen on this bitch.

This is the current accepted view of what Neanderthals look like. A bit hairy than us, and with a larger nose and thicker brow ridges. But apart from that, they're unquestionably human. In fact, it's been said that if you gave a Neanderthal a shave, a haircut, and dressed him up in a nice suit, he could easily attend Harvard, although he'd need rich parents. There's a couple of things wrong with this picture. First, it's not based on any sound archaeological evidence. That's because soft tissue features like skin, hair, colour, and eyeballs are not preserved in the fossil record.

Joey's a Neanderthal. The other reason is that after studying Neanderthals for ten years, I'm convinced they look nothing like this at all. I'm Danny Vendramini, author of Them and Us, How Neanderthal Predation Created Modern Humans. In this video, I'm going to draw on the latest archaeological, genetic, and forensic evidence to challenge all your assumptions about what Neanderthals looked like. Look at that.

That looks like something we should make a kettlebell out of. You can see examples of this anthropomorphic bias in television documentaries and museum reconstructions around the world. It's a long video. The men are sometimes shown as quite handsome. We just want to get to the part where they make them look like monsters.

Try it back there. The children are nearly always quite cute, and some of them are made for food. I believe that Neanderthal males also began hunting human females for sex. Fuck that. Look at the size of that. No. Damn. That makes me mad.

The theory of sexual and cannibalistic predation went on for in excess of 50,000... Imagine if you had one of those coming after Mrs. Rogan. Ooh, that'd be rough. Could you imagine if we recreate this thing and it does come out looking like that? If this woman gives birth to this Neanderthal and it comes out looking like an ape?

Really test our morality there. All fucked up, black face with big gigantic teeth and knows how to use spears i think this guy's like really quacky though and he is australian which makes him extra quacky you know there's not a lot of like super experts that people take seriously they don't like that except for grand on the bush though he's english he's english but english is completely different if you have english you can sell things that people wouldn't ordinarily buy, like cooking ware. Right.

If you have like an English salesperson. Yeah. But Australian, unless you're selling boomerangs or some sort of crocodile gun, you know, you're not going to listen to an Australian dude. They're too fun-loving, carefree people. They're not really the right archaeologists or the right people to tell you what a fucking Neanderthal looks like.

At least the way we want them to be. Yeah, I wonder if this is bullshit. Like I said, this guy's widely, widely been discredited. Reminds me a little of the aquatic ape theory, which had me for about an hour and a half. Yeah, that's a weird one, right? There's a theory they're wondering why human beings are so fatty when we're babies as opposed to other

primates which come out like chimps when they're babies they come out and they're looking you know they look pretty rugged like right out of the gate they got sinew they don't have a lot of body fat but people are like balls of fat and the idea was that we were born to sort of be able to float around in water and then we we lived by the water we were aquatic apes well we did live by the water when those volcanoes happened i think that was something the the genetic bottleneck theory which does have some criticisms too but when these volcanoes happened it forced everybody to the only life source that was available at the time which was coming out of the ocean because Because those were the fish and the seaweed

and things that were unaffected by the massive climate change and the shit that was in the air that was causing people massive death. Well, they say even to this day, 80% of the world's population lives near the water. Which is kind of fascinating because as the water level rises, if something

catastrophic happens, that really would leave a fucking lot of confused motherfuckers in the middle you know yeah if the world it's like say if the united states and every other part of the world everything a thousand miles in on each direction was covered with ocean and you were just left with the center of the united states good luck okay you got dudes who know how to make bows and arrows, you know? I mean, for real, if you were left with like South Dakota, if South Dakota was all the humans that were above water and everything else done, you've got plenty of food. Okay. But there's no more internet

and you got to figure out society from scratch from only the people in south dakota just a total random sampling yeah it's a tough go good luck good luck the way most of these catastrophes work catastrophes work though is the smartest the brightest the cleverest they're the ones that end up surviving or you put a gun in their mouth because they don't want to survive with all these fucking dummies trying to eat them and they're like you know what i think i'm gonna just check out and see what's next you know it was a crazy place to go was pompeii and you go there and you see when the people are frozen in ash like huddling with their kids yeah when that just rolled through and just blew up yeah and vesuvius rolled in and caked everything in ash that's a crazy crazy moment frozen in time that's uh that's interesting to see yeah and not that long ago either no you

know remember mount saint helens remember when we were younger yeah super young that was uh that was a big one man that was a that was a washington state and a giant volcano blew off we just don't see enough of those they happen so rarely we're like oh okay that's what fucking happens there was that one in iceland that fucked up air travel. Yeah, that was a little bit of a baby one. Yeah. Did anybody die in that one? I don't know.

I think it has a big brother, though, that when that one goes off, then I think the last time that happened, that the water froze really far up the Mississippi River, and things got really fucked. It was like a two-year winter. Crops failed. Really? This was around 1812, I think. So an Iceland volcano in 1812 caused a two-year winter crops failed this was around like 1812 i think so an iceland volcano

in 1812 caused a two-year winter in america yep whoa yeah it's uh just because it puts so much in the atmosphere that this cools everything off cools everything off can we get a big fan and fix that shit you'd think there'd be something right blow it on china push it another direction deal with that china's already making the big fan to blow it on us yeah they probably are they've got fans they're launching in space like like a fan but with wings that's gonna just hover a fan with a helicopter blade and just hovers up there and blows i don't think any of these ideas work. Yeah, the natural disasters are one thing that people aren't preparing for.

Everybody's worried about the government collapsing. Everybody's worried about the end of the world. And, oh, what if the dollar is useless? What you really should worry about, man, is fucking super volcanoes and asteroids. Those are the big ones. And if a super volcano in Iceland can cause a two-year winter in America, what happens if Yellowstone blows?

What happens if that motherfucker takes off? That's terrifying. That's species extinction time. It's weird. Our society is so dependent upon this state of the atmosphere staying where it is,

but we have so much evidence that shows that it really doesn't last. And then it changes radically all over the world. And then, you know, different parts of the world are sometimes covered in ice. And then a few million years later, they're tropical rainforests. And you know,

what do you do? You just, I guess you just move and adopt, move and adapt rather. There was a Harvard biologist or uh astronomer rather recently that was uh saying that he doesn't believe that he doesn't believe that we are uh or he does believe rather that we're unique and that we're we're the only life form possibly in the whole world that's like us and that our situation is so rare with our ability to have

lasted this long protected by jup, all the asteroids are hitting Jupiter. And that, you know, our environment has been so stable for so long that it's allowed this crazy explosion of intelligence and innovation. And that the odds of that actually happening anywhere else in the world or anywhere else in the universe are incredibly, incredibly, incredibly rare. And then, but then you have to multiply that by an infinite, virtually infinite universe. Yeah. And the fact that if you propose that other species in this virtually infinite universe just started a bit earlier. Yeah. And they evolved to the point where they could travel.

They're going to be the ones that travel to us prior to us traveling to them. And they have legal mushrooms. Obviously. Maybe they made mushrooms and they put them on asteroids and sent them our way. A little helping hand. A little pat on the butt. That's a theory about how life on this planet was. Directed panspermia.

Yeah, panspermia with mushrooms. There's another show that I watched. It's Morgan Friedman's show, Through the Wormhole, where this astrophysicist was explaining the infinite in that the universe is so big that the odds are that there is an exact duplicate of you exactly with the exact cells and the exact life experiences. And it's an infinite number of trillions of miles away.

You can't even wrap your head around how far away it is, but infinity is so big that it means that the world as it exists today, exactly with the exact atoms in the exact order, that the universe is so big that it could exist. Not just exist, but exist in so many different forms that the exact creation of this earth, the exact events that have taken place, all have been recreated on this planet.

I heard that in a different way, saying that your actions echo in eternity because of that same thing. Because everything that you do now will be repeated just by the law of infinity by another you at another point in another time period in another universe or in the same one so the idea was that your actions echo in eternity because those those impetuses the choices you make will be duplicated in another experience. And that's crazy. Then there's the uber mindfuck decision universe scenario

where every decision you make branches off into a completely new and independent universe. And they're all parallel existing. And that every time you make a decision for the positive or for the negative, the entire universe is restructured around you. And it's a completely new one. And any similarities to the previous universe are just that, similarities, that you are existing in these new planes

that have been recreated over and over and over again, and that life, much like we see when you break the world down to subatomic particles and then break it and bring it all the way up to universes and galaxies that the universe and its moments are fractal as well and they are also

infinite and that in these decisions and moments you create infinite universes fuck it gets so crazy but the universe itself is so crazy why is that any crazier you know why is it any crazier than an infinite universe why is that any crazier than hundreds of billions of galaxies why i mean it's all fucking crazy like you can't wrap your head

around it you're like hey i have 150 acres oh well fucking whoopty shit the universe is infinite what's 150 acres that doesn't mean. When you start to explore these topics, I remember there was a philosophical conundrum in which the philosopher says, I can prove to you that if I shoot an arrow at a target, that it will never hit the target. And here's how they do it. At a certain point, the arrow would be halfway to the target,

and that takes a certain amount of time. At another point, the arrow will be, then you take the next half. So at the next half point, that will also take a certain amount of time. At another point, the arrow will be, you know, then you take the next half. So at a certain, that the next half point, that will also take a certain amount of time. Then you take the next half point to where it's halfway to the target. That'll take another amount of time. Well, there's always going to be another half point, which is going to have a time value. And so if there's a continuous amount of time value in the half point of distance moved by a quark or by whatever infinite measurement, by that logic, the arrow should never hit the target. And you start to think about that.

You're like, huh? Yeah, that's fucked up. That's some hippie bullshit, son. That's what that is. That fucking arrow hit that target. Exactly. That's what we all know. That dude has never been bow hunting.

You need to get that dude with Ted Nugent and say, get out your fancy graph and watch this, bitch. See, your theory sucks a fat dick because that's a dead deer. That's right. And there used to be, in those philosophical debates, there would be people, especially in the skeptical debate, there's one famous instance where I think someone just slapped someone in the face. You think nothing is real? How about this? And just hit one of the skeptics in the

face like that was real wasn't it yeah you started fucking around with too many what ifs and you got slapped yeah that's the way it goes there are too many what ifs 10 minutes that means we're gonna wrap this bitch up and bring it home aubrey marcus you are a bad motherfucker thank you very much my friend thanks for coming here it was awesome we went on a double date last night hell yeah that was powerful good times man and we'll we'll move on with many

many new things in the future and I think I think this hunting thing is a good idea hell yeah I think there's something

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I haven't. I'd like to. Next time he does a podcast, he'll be back on somewhere towards the end of February, I think. I think he said the end of February. And when he does, we'll have you on with him because he's a fucking beautiful human being. Oh, actually, April. Okay, he'll be back in April. So we're going to have him here.

I think he's in New York City right now banging a bunch of smart bitches. Let him know what's up. Get him, Jason. Thank you, everybody. I know we were supposed to have Rick Ross in today, but Aubrey's only in town for a couple days, so we had to switch it around, and Rick will join us one week from today.

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