The Joe Rogan Experience - #321 - Melissa Etheridge

Episode Date: February 4, 2013

Joe sits down with Melissa Etheridge.

Rogan. Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. Ladies and gentlemen, Melissa Etheridge. Hey! Thank you so much for being here. What a pleasure to be here. I gotta tell you, when I got a message saying, Melissa Etheridge wants to do your podcast,

I had to think, did I ever talk shit about Melissa Etheridge? Right. I just had a really good... Because as a comedian... Well, I know. I'm easy, aren't I? Well, everyone's easy. I'm easy, aren't I? Well, everyone's easy. I'm easy too. But it's like you want to – if you ever did – and I didn't.

But if you ever did make fun of someone, you're like, look, I wasn't – I didn't mean it. Of course. Hey, I completely understand comedy. I'm actually someone that knows that if you're making fun of me, that means that I must be doing something successful. Oh, for sure. So I'm all good. Yeah, and even if I'm accusing someone of being pretentious or whatever, I'm probably guilty of being stupid. So just a joke.

I have to do it. I can't just let it sit there. It's in the middle of the world and I can't point out. It's your job. Comedy is sacred. Believe me. You believe that? I totally believe it.

Comedy is that part of truth and it's people like you it's why you resonate so well with all what you're doing right now is because you comedy pushes when you stand up in front of people and say this is the truth and then they ha ha ha they laugh and laughter is that release right it's beautiful i think that release whatever that feeling is that when you laugh whatever that thing that makes you laugh i think if if that was a drug, if you could buy that at 7-Eleven, like you could buy a coffee, man. Because when I go to see, like I worked this weekend with a couple of really funny guys, with Brian Callen and Ari Shafir and Brian Redbein here.

We worked in Vegas. We had the show. And one of the things I love about working with really funny guys is actually getting to laugh, actually getting to be an audience member because a lot of Brian Cowan stuff was new. I hadn't heard it before. And I was just howling, laughing. It's such a good feeling. And very similar in a lot of ways to the feeling that a great song can hit you.

Well, it's what we do. We do very similar things. We take human emotion, human experience, and organize it in a way that it gets past all the normal barriers. I can – I hopefully can tap into a feeling that a person has that goes beyond their head but it goes straight into their heart and and then they get to release it because you know those those will be that'll cause you sickness too if you keep too many emotions inside so comedy is the same it's all about letting it so healthy the difference with comedy is your stuff gets better the more i hear it like if i hear even like the greats like richard pryor, I can only listen to one of his bits once.

Not twice in a row. Not three times in a week. I could take one of your songs and just slap it on repeat and enjoy it more. I've come to your window so many times. That just scares me now. I'm very lucky that my art form is more like

I can write a song, I can record it, and in that moment I can put it there and like bring me some water. There you go. And then you know what? Twenty years later, oh my gosh, I get to sing it again and I can put all kinds of new stuff. I can do whatever I want with it.

Yeah. It's really fun. And people want to hear it. Like they can't wait to hear it. Yeah, they pay money to hear it. It's kind of like with comedy, you have to always keep coming up with new shit. Yeah, be funny.

Be funny, dude. It doesn't last. You can't redo bits from decades past, but a great song that comes out, man, that's permanently great and better with time. Cool. It's a weird feeling to be a person who knows nothing about music. That's who I am. Really? I know zero.

Nothing. Don't even play any instrument? Nope. Can't play anything. When I look at music written down, I never investigated it even for a second. But I love music. I love to listen to it. So I look at people like you, it's almost like what you do, it's like a form of magic

or something, like the ability to make awesome noise. Well, it used to be alchemical in that it was sacred, music was, because if you look at the nature of the universe and reality and you break it down into quantum physics, it is a reality that is based on

octaves and dimensions. So if you understand music, you can understand. It's one of the reasons why I understand the nature of reality so much. This is what happened like eight, nine years ago. And once you get to understand that we are all octaves, we are all instruments, we are all vibrational beings, then you understand, oh, music, that's why music will never, ever go away. That's why it resonates so much. Yeah, for a lot of people, they hear that kind of talk and they go, oh, goddammit, you just

hit my hippie bullshit button. I know. You're resonant. What are you? What are you? You're resonating. You're being something. What are you?

Vibration. What the hell does that mean? You know what? And they, absolutely, they live there. I have an understanding and a belief and we're all just made up of our beliefs. Yeah. And I walk with my hippie understanding belief and go on with it. I think there's obviously – it's a beautiful and imaginative concept.

But there's just sort of clear evidence that there's something there. Like say if you're in your car and like that riff of Back in Black comes on the radio and it was just the perfect sound at the perfect time. Maybe you're bored or whatever. You're annoyed by something and then your whole body it's just like that song is so good it fires you up.

There's a certain feeling that it does to your body that if you could just buy that it would be very very very valuable you are looking for that aren't you i think everybody is if you could i mean i'm i'm super inspired by music and i think one of the reasons being because i don't understand it and because um i don't play it i can't create it so when i see someone that can to me it's like wow it's like this totally different thing than what I do.

But I get to see the same sort of energy that makes anyone great at any art. I love seeing it expressed through different mediums, that pure – I mean I hate using that word again, but that resonance of expression. Whatever it comes with, that burst that shows the world, whatever it is, whether it's in a song or whether it's in a sculpture. I love seeing it. I love seeing it in all forms. You can go look at it scientifically. And I'm just going to use the word vibrational because if you study scientifically, not even hippie-wise, if you study quantum physics, you'll understand the vibrational nature of the universe. And so art gives off a vibration.

Absolutely. You can break it down. They have little machines that can show if someone's looking at a picture and they have a feeling, you have a vibrational, energetic change inside of you as a reaction to that. Wow. That's amazing. They actually just had something the other day, I think yesterday, where they showed the first thought. Like where the brain of a – I think it was a rat. And they could see it, like visually see a thought.

I'll try to find it, but it was really badass. I know they've been able to figure out how to take an image of what you can see. They've been able to like simple shapes, like a simple triangle and simple squares. They've been able to take images like somehow or another. That's reading

your mind, essentially. That's the beginning, right? I believe it's the whole experience of all of us understanding that thought creates and that then that's what all of this is made up yeah it's thought that's a weird thing for people to wrap their head around and what I always try to say is like you know everybody looks at the imagination is almost as if it's not necessary oh but you know I mean he's a childish one with his wild imagination you know and that that sort of term what what people don't understand is that's what created everything.

Everything hard. Everything you can touch. Everything you get in and fly. Everything you drive around in. That's all coming from imagination. It started with a thought. All of it. Everything that we've created, good or yeah it's coming from imagination like the idea that we don't put a lot

of respect in in that and that we don't look at that as like being this that's the real sort of sacred creator of the universe absolutely creation absolutely and it starts with our own responsibility what we create for ourselves every day yeah and that's difficult because people want to blame they want to say oh this happened to me because of that person or because I don't have enough money or I don't have enough love or whatever it is, that blame. And it's hard to look at your own creation and what you created every day. We're so malleable. And if I think we grew up in the wrong environments, it's very easy to also raise children in the same environment and repeat this really fucked up pattern where no one has ever stopped the train

and said, okay, let's look at the patterns that we operate under and how many of these are beneficial? What are we doing? Like, why are we living the same goddamn way and everybody's miserable? Let's just stop and think this through and no, let's not yell at each other.

I don't want to be yelled at. You don't want to yell at me. I don't want to yell at you. Great. Okay, we agree to that. We'll let each other, we won't yell. Now, let's think things through. What the fuck are we doing on this planet together? We're enjoying our company. We're creating.

And we can do that or we can just create chaos and create problems everywhere we go if we repeat the same patterns, which we like to do if somehow or another it doesn't reset itself. Exactly. I actually feel like we're in a big resetting right now. I can feel it. I can start to see it in the people around me. Just that there's a way that you can reach anybody who'd like to listen to you. You can do that right now.

That is different. That 10 years ago, you weren't available like this. Yeah. No. 10 years ago, you weren't available like this. Yeah, no. 10 years ago, there was nothing like this. You would have to put it on a radio show. They would put you in jail. Yeah, make the crazy joke. He's lost it.

Oh, no. They would tell you you're out of your mind for almost everything. You're talking about illegal drugs. I know. I was listening the other day or reading rather about the Hollywood sign. The Hollywood sign used to be hollywood land and at one point in 76 somebody got up there and made it hollyweed because they passed some decriminalization law it was so close to being legal nationally during

carter's administration wow so close i don't know yeah it. Yeah, if you really look into the journey of cannabis, it's criminal and it's what they've done to this natural product. It's ridiculous. Yes. It's really bad. And the people that are trying to keep it illegal are the people who could benefit from it the most.

Oh, isn't that, oh. Those people all need to get high. It's like, yes. That's what I love when Colorado, when Denver and Colorado was doing that thing, making it legal, they're saying, look, it's just better than... You're not going to get in a fight.

You go to the bar and you have a smoke, you're going to be chill. You're not going to cause damage. Yeah, you're not going to just become a crazy person who can't even drive. That's unbelievable that almost everywhere in America damage. Yeah, you're not going to just become a crazy person who can't even drive. You know, that's unbelievable that almost everywhere in America are these spots where you can get fueled up with a drug that makes your body not work so well. And we're fine with that car and getting

your car. And of course, we don't want you to drunk drive. And we prefer you take cabs. And we always say that. However, the possibility is is always there you're talking about a drug that massively inhibits your thinking process and makes you do really irrational shit and you're combining it with the access to a car i mean yes the idea that people see through that our society was built on that all the it's that worker society keep them on the caffeine and the sugar and the alcohol boom and do you think it's a self-fulfilling sort of a thing? Because those things are all awesome. That's the problem.

I know. I love them. Caffeine is awesome. Sugar is awesome. Alcohol is the shit. It's all good stuff. So, I mean, is it possible that we just like it instead of – A big part of it – caffeine changed the world and sugar too.

Yes. It was what brought industry to Britain and that's why colonialism happened. That's why they conquered the world, so they could bring spice and taste and sugar. And in the 1800s, the British doctors were like, whoa, wait a minute. We're seeing all these new diseases now because of sugar. It's a drug. It's a drug. And they were like, too late.

It's over. Yeah. Once they had figured out how to extract sugar from natural products and then you can get these massive doses of it right into your bloodstream like if you eat spoons of sugar your kids do you see you know they get a little oh we got a cupcake at school and they lose their mind yeah yeah i gave my little one cotton candy yesterday she went off she went off She only weighs like 30 pounds. She had like a pound of cotton candy. See, it's tough.

It's tough. Yeah, it's a drug. It's for sure a drug. And it wrecks our immune system. Sugar just totally wrecks our immune system. And that's why a lot of us are so sick. Yeah, it's really close to like a toxin. Yes.

I mean, there's a lot of people that are trying to say it's a toxin. So I fed my baby a delicious toxin. But she's fine they're so available and they do bounce back cotton candy kids gonna want it it's like she can't have it every day no every day you'd healthy but every now and then if you're at disneyland fuck it's time to go off to go they sell cotton candy machines at target for the kids oh a machine yeah like they're these little machines they're're like 50 bucks and you make your own cotton candy. Oh, dude.

That's so wrong. I know. That's just pure sugar. And they put them in front of TV and you've got – we've brainwashed them and then it's all good. Yeah. And then they're ready to be plugged in. Unfortunately. But TV is awesome too.

That's also a problem. Exactly. I am not a – i'm not going to do any of this right i believe in all of these things in moderation it's all about balance because i don't want to be the other way i don't want to be i'm not going to do this and this and this because those things are fun and they're beautiful they add taste and spice to life and i want that balance and it's just about balance yeah it's a moderation right? It's like figuring out how to ride the waves of – Not be addicted to it, not be a victim to it.

But also enjoy a little TV every now and again. Damn, there's some good shows on. I'm like, what's wrong with you? It doesn't mean that you're shutting off the world. I think that it's not an either-or situation. I think if you know what you're being manipulated by when you see like an advertisement, if you understand the manipulation behind it, what they are intending, if you know that, then you can be safe and go in.

But if you go in and just watch mindlessly, boy, you will be swept away in it. Yeah. It's like a balance issue, right? Yeah. I think. You just got to figure out how to do it. How do you do it? How do I do it?

It's a constant practice. Every single day. It started when I went through breast cancer. It's that sort of, oh, fuck, I could die. You know, right? Uh-oh, wait a minute. This is serious. And I had this, I actually ate.

It was one of those, you know, about – before we went on, you're talking about cannabis and actually the difference between smoking it and eating it. And I had eaten a couple of cookies and they were, of course, delicious. I had a bit more than I should. And I had one of those really severe trips. And in that came a very clear understanding of the nature of life, of balance. And I came back, went through breast cancer, went through the system. I did the chemo. I was all bald and I did all that.

And I got off it going, wait a minute. While I'm in this, every doctor I had kept saying, cancer starts when cells go bad. And I go, okay, well, why do cells go bad? And none of them would answer me. None of them had that answer because that's the way our medical system is set up. And this has been a journey of finding out why did my cells go bad. Why did they go bad? It was my nutrition. It was my stress.

It was I didn't drink enough water. It's very simple stuff. And it's about an emotional imbalance. We got to bring emotion back into balance in the body. Yeah, it's as much of a factor, I believe, as all the other things in your body, your blood, your tissues, your bone. I think your emotional health is as important as your biological health, the health of your actual body. They're connected. Yes.

It was the – unfortunately, it was the Catholic Church in 400 AD when Descartes decided that he was like – he went to the church and he said, I want to study medicine. I want to study the human body. And they said, OK, you can study – it wasn't medicine yet. He invented medicine. They said, OK, you can study the body but the emotion and soul that stays with the church and that's one of the reasons why this break happened and all of our great thought and intention and the smartest of us for hundreds of years have only developed the body separate from emotion and we are now seeing that break down our whole system our whole health care

everything because it it's just not true anymore emotion plays i my belief is it plays almost all the part of of disease dis ease wow but what about like little children with horrible disorders like that kind of shit well then you have to get into and this is where it gets it this is where it talks about we are here to create this is where we talk about we are here to create we are here to work through whatever we've decided i mean you know this gets into real spiritual stuff this stuff, you know, and it all depends on your basic belief. My belief is all of us have – all of us create what we need to work through to create and learn what we need to in this world. And so I can't look at anyone as a victim. I can't – even a child.

I don't blame them. I don't say this is your fault. I don't blame them. I don't say this is your fault. I say you made an agreement in this place to do this, and I'm sending you all my love, and I believe in you, and I believe that you will – but do you mean that like when you see someone who has a disability, you don't see it as a disability? You just see that they're just another entity in this life and just go forward with love and it all works out – in the long run, it all works out great anyway. Is that what you mean? Yes, and it's what you deem works out in the end because a lot of people have different ideas of what that is. I have tons of people that come to me who are stage four cancer and the doctors have said there's nothing we can do. You're going to die in a few weeks.

And they come to me all the time in cities all over the world. And I want to and I try. And sometimes it works. Sometimes their belief is – I just give them another way of looking at it if you have another perception other than cancer is something that that happens to me and oops i got it if you understand it is my body is on this journey and my emotion and you're willing to to dissect and and break apart you know what am i eating, you know, what am I eating? What am I feeling? What am I doing?

What do I need to change? You can control cancer because it is a symptom. It is not something that happens. It is your own cells that have been so taxed by your immune system, which has been taxed by sugar or emotion or any of that stress, that acidic stress, it's so taxed that then those cells go bad. Is it all environmental though? I mean, is it all emotional? Aren't there some random genetic roles that dice like kids that are born with massive

birth defects and things along those lines? Well, this is the lie. It's how you hold reality and creation. I believe that this reality is one of thought. That massive deformity, that massive thing, it comes from – it's theirs. It is theirs. I'm not judging it. I am loving it. I'm not seeing them as a victim either. I don't believe something unjust happened to them and I don't believe something just happened to them.

I believe that this is the balance of life and we are all here to walk through it and make our choices. Wow. That's heavy-duty stuff. It's heavy. I mean, I think there's something to a person that has gone through what you've gone through physically where you get to a real point where you're worrying about your body ending. You're worrying about your trip being over. Yeah.

And I think the insight that people that have been through those situations, it's really remarkable. And it always makes me wonder why we can't wrap our heads around that without a crisis. Yeah. You know? That's one of the reasons why I love to come talk to you.

That's why I want to talk because I would love to just have one person not have to get to crisis, but to go, wait a minute, that might be the path that I'm on. Maybe this can help me. Maybe it can. Because when I was in it, I saw what the fear of death can do. It holds everyone. Cancer, I mean, I still see people, and it's been eight, nine years now since I was diagnosed and went through all that, and people still look at me like, are you dying? You know, they still hold. It's a powerful energy. Yeah, it's a weird part of our life, a weird part of our journey, the body just sort of failing prematurely in some strange way where it's growing its own problem.

Well, that's, or there is something, there is some choice that I am making. My body is perfect. Every single human body is amazingly perfect. Right. But what about people that it's environmental factors, you know, exposure to radiation, things along those lines. Why are you there? You are there because you, you made your, and again exposure to radiation, things along those lines. Again, why are you there? You are there because you made your – and again, it's not about blame.

Right. It's this is – you chose this when you were just an angel or a spirit or whatever you want to call it. Oh, so you believe they chose this life from another dimension. Yeah. I mean you've been there. I wonder. Yeah. I have and I haven't.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, you've been there. I wonder. Yeah. I have and I haven't. You know what I'm saying? It's like the ideas from the psychedelic experience. Yeah. The ideas are very intoxicating. But I wonder how much of it is correct when it comes to things along those lines. Like you choosing your own destiny. Try letting go of the fear try believing it try believing it just once for one day yeah i could believe it but um i mean

i could disbelieve it too you know i could do it's up to you it can be whatever yeah i mean you you can in in that sense if you you believe something like that it really can sort of create a reality for you. Absolutely. It's very empowering. That's – and that was my choice. I'm going to choose to walk like this and it's not easy. Believe me. Everything in our reality, you want to say, okay, well, except for that because that just happened to me and I'm just blaming that. Well, I would really look at it that way if it wasn't for massive environmental issues, you know, toxic issues, things along those lines where people clearly – like a whole town gets cancer because there's a fucking factory nearby and they're throwing some shit in the lake and people don't know about it.

Absolutely. Now go beyond that story. Go there in 10 years and find out whose life was made better, whose life was changed, what happened. There's – everything happens for a reason so you think um are you like a deterministic person like you believe that the world is it moves in a way that you cannot control no no again again it's it's slippery because no i don't believe i'm not a fatalist i believe I believe each and every one of us controls our own reality every single day through every choice we make, the choice of what to eat, what to think, how to feel. A lot of us think we don't have a choice in how to feel. Well, you hurt me, so I'm angry.

I don't have a choice. You do. Everything is choice. And then you throw some spirituality on it and you get don't have a choice you do everything is choice and then you know you throw some spirituality on it and you get the everything's a choice just between love and fear and if you break it down that small into every breath it's like a practice that's why the monks go live on the hill and all alone so that they can get to this perfect place of not neither blame you're not a judge and you're not a victim. You're just right in there in the middle.

Yeah, the monks essentially give up all civilization. They give up life entirely. No sex. I would not want to do that at all. Yeah. I believe you can do that in this life. As you were referring to earlier, balance. Yeah.

Yeah, to enjoy it all. Yeah, I've always felt like monks are pussies. Right. You can't handle it, really. I know relationships are tough. But if it wasn't for relationships, all the best music comes from relationships. Hey, I'm living proof. Yeah, I must, right?

Absolutely. You go back and listen to the greatest songs of all time. It's always a guy and a girl talking about some shit. Breaking up. Oh. We thought we'd be together forever. No. Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean, if it wasn't for that, where would all that beautiful art come from? There's a yin and a yang to this crazy life. Absolutely. And when you can hold onto that, it's neither going into all the fear nor all the love. I'm not all, you know, airy-fairy. If you can hold that middle, life gets really cool.

Yeah, if you can hold that middle. How do you go can hold that middle. How do you go about holding that middle? Every single day. It's a practice. You stay in the now. Did your personality change when this happened? In a way, I let go

a lot of personality reactions. I believe that you call up who's sitting here today looking across the table at you. I'm choosing who gets to answer this. I would like 51-year-old Melissa to answer you, not 14-year-old. 14-year-old has answered in my relationships. 14-year-old Melissa, she comes out and she says some pretty naughty things.

And that's who I can choose how to do it. So it's this choice every day how I do it. Yeah, that's a weird thing where we sort of get stuck in those young patterns. The patterns are – I mean a lot of people do though. It's really, really common. Every day I do. Every day. Oh, look at you doing it right now.

Oh, no. That's how he always does it. Yeah, you got to – You're doing it right now. Oh, no. That's how he always does it. Finding out how to manage your life is probably one of the most difficult things the person can accomplish in their life or attempt to accomplish, I should say. Isn't that what it's all about? I want to come to you. I want to come to listeners, everyone, as a person who – I achieved my goal. I set out – I was born in Leavenworth, Kansas. I wanted to be a rock star.

I got to be a rock star. I wanted to meet Bruce Springsteen. I got to meet Bruce Springsteen. It's like those dreams came true. Well, there's something that happens after those dreams come true. You realize, oh, I'm still me. I still have all my problems. I'm still me. I still have all my problems. I'm still – so where someone who might hold that big dream and think, well, I'll never get it.

And so they just hold it out there and then they have lots of excuses. Well, if I got that, then I'd be there but I'm not. I'd have enough money. I'd have enough this or that. Right. money I'd have enough this or that right then you can get caught in the the turmoil of life and always believe that well if I was famous or if I had more money I'd be better well I'm here to tell you that the fame of the money it's nice oh absolutely I love not having to wait in line you know it's great yet it

does not solve all my problems and it can cloud you in a little bit of confusion oh we see that every day. Yeah, we've all met famous people or seen famous people wig out in certain ways. Sad. Okay, you're being like a child. You're throwing like a child's tantrum. Yeah, because they're making choices to let that child still do that. Yeah, and there's a weird imbalance.

There's a certain type. There's one type of celebrity celebrity the i told you so celebrity and the reason why i mean the way i call it that it's like they're the type that once they get famous like they feel like the whole world fucked them up until now and now that they've got the world by the balls because they're famous they just really act shitty to people yeah and i've seen that that one that's a really shocking one. And you put that out and what you put out comes back and you just sit back and watch their world come down.

Yeah. It's hard enough getting through this life without acting like the world owes you something. And that sort of delusional thinking among successful famous people is very very odd because that's like the furthest from the vulnerability of the reality of our biological life right but it was the dream that we were fed i grew up in the 60s in the 70s you want to be you want to do better than your parents did you want to make more money and buy things because that's the meaning of life yeah that's how you show you're successful. Yeah. Not management, not like health, not happiness.

Happiness. No, no. All those things. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Smiles per hour is probably very important. I never thought of it like that, but that phrase smiles per hour, like you should probably have a lot of that.

Yeah. A lot of smiles per hour. You probably get off way better in life. Yes, indeed. That's so huge. Like laughter and having fun. So goddamn huge. People that don't laugh about things, I just don't understand.

Trust them. Yeah. Well, yeah. There's emotional stunting sort of a thing to that, right? Yeah. Yeah. How do you fix that? You, again, take care of yourself.

You have to – you can fix yourself. You cannot fix anyone else. Isn't it funny how people who can't fix themselves try to fix other people? Oh, yeah. There's a lot of those. There's a whole lot of those. I've been married to a few of those. Those people are crazy.

Yes. They'll tell you what to do. You're like, look at your own life, bitch. You're in your mind. You're not happy. You're giving advice. Come on. You're not happy and you're giving advice.

Okay. Once I realized I cannot fix anybody else, no one else. Right. I became a much happier person myself. You can't fix them, but you can rock their world with a song that changes the way they feel about life. And even if only like for a three or four-minute song, even if it's only for that three or four minutes, the positive reaction that someone can get for something like that, that can affect their choices. Absolutely.

Then you start seeing how it – Yeah. When you had jobs, do you ever have jobs, like regular jobs back in the day? Back in the day, yeah, a couple. If you listened to a badass song before you went in for an audition or for an interview, you'd be in a better mood. You'd have a little pep to you, and they'd be like, I like this Etheridge girl. She's got moxie. She's got a lot of energy. Exactly.

Yeah, because you had heard some fucking badass music in your car on the way over there. It's vibrational. Yeah, but that's hippie shit. Hippie? You know what? People don't want to hear that. Balance. Balance the hippie.

Bring your inner hippie out. But the regular hippies are so annoying, they've ruined it for the hippie idea. See? Again. It's about balance. You stinky, lazy motherfuckers. It's about balance. You guys. You stinky, lazy hippies. They have ruined the hippie

culture. But not a bounce of patchouli. Not even a little bit of patchouli. You don't like patchouli at all? Not at all. See, you say that, but if you met the most wonderful woman, she was sweet, sensitive. She smelled of patchouli. Patchouli would give you wood. I could get into rose water, but I can't do that.

Rose water is nice. The smelly hippie is a problem. It's because the smelly human is a problem. You're being ridiculous. Silly bitch. What are you covering up? Why are you putting rocks under your armpits? Get some deodorant.

Oh, now, don't get me started. Get some non-aluminum deodorant. Yeah, there you go. Arm and hammer. Arm and hammer is a natural deodorant oh now don't get me started non-aluminum deal yeah there you go arm and hammer is a natural deodorant it's like herbs and shit you're but don't put the aluminum there yeah not aluminum's bad it's really bad yeah aluminum chlorohydrate and why were they putting it in why are they putting in deodorant oh because the aluminum industry industry 100 years ago when it first started had a lot of waste that they needed to get rid of. What? So this aluminum waste became sodium fluoride, which was put in our water.

And it was thought to use – oh, it will keep us from sweating, which I'm sorry, you're supposed to sweat. There's a reason. Oh, so it's only antiperspirant. It's not deodorant, right? Yeah, it doesn't do anything. I don't mind sweating. I just want to smell nice. Yeah, you smell nice.

You do. Smelling radio. He smells very nice, girls, if there's any. Thank you. Thank you very much. But stinky people, you should know you're stinky, okay? Stinky hippies, you fucking lazy bitches get up get up go run water water is everywhere and soap is not expensive okay go get crafty and you can use defense soap it's natural okay so it's a great soap that has like

tea tree oil in it and eucalyptus oil. It's all natural. It's good. It's good for the skin. It keeps you from getting ringworm and stuff like that. Are you talking to someone specifically? Yeah. Unfortunately, grapplers, anyone who practices jujitsu has to deal with ringworm. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's really common.

As well as staph. You can get staph infections too. Sure, sure. Yeah. I've had ringworm a couple times. I had staph uh twice geez yeah once i caught it like really early so i didn't have to take antibiotics i took like a a topical but once it got pretty bad it was weird i had to take these super strong antibiotics which careful because that if you look at people's i believe my cancer started with i took took these super-duper antibiotics.

It's actually the stuff – Accutane. I have really bad acne because I was out of balance in the beginning. And then I took a whole bunch of the super-duper antibiotics. Those also are killing everything good inside of you. Yeah, people don't understand that, right? No. People, when you do rounds and rounds of antibiotics, you are really knocking yourself down. If you have a diagnosis of cancer, look in your past.

Was there a time? Did you do the antibiotics right for it, right before it? Because it compromises the immune system. But when you have a big infection, like a staph infection, you kind of have to take it, right? You kind of – yeah, absolutely. So now it's about you taking – You really do have to. Yeah.

Yeah. Antibiotics, great for – So then you have to put probiotics back in your system. Totally. And you have to really be aware of your acid and alkaline balance inside of you because that's what keeps your immune system. So a lot of green leafy vegetables. Yeah, fruits, vegetables. Probiotics, acidophilus, things along those lines.

No gluten, no sugar. Yeah. Yeah, that gluten-free, where the hell was that 10 years ago? Was there any gluten-free food 20 years ago? Was there any? No, hardly any. Well, because in the last 20 years, what has genetically modified our wheat, and it's become just this unedible food.

The real problem with that is that lasagna is delicious. I know. There are some good... I can bring you a gluten-free lasagna. I had some Sunday for Super Bowl. I did, I did. Don't make me go Joey Diaz on you guys. Fucking gluten-free lasagna.

What are you talking about, people? Gluten-free lasagna just seems like a mess. I don't want no part of that. I don't want to be pretending that I'm enjoying it. I'm just going to bring you some pasta. Isn't it a balance? I like regular pasta, though, unfortunately.

I've tried Ezekiel pasta and I eat it because it's healthy for you. Sprouted green pasta. Is that not healthy? No, that is. But again, the taste is like, oh, wow, you are giving up a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

You can find the balance. There are, there's spelt. Spelt is like a lesser wheat. It's still a wheat and it still will fluff up. You can get spelt bread. That's pretty good. I don't believe you. I know.

I'm going to show up here. I'm going to bring a bag. You said pretty good. I'm like believe you. I know. I'm going to show up here. I'm going to bring a bag. You said pretty good. I'm like, I'm convincing. I'm not buying it. Why would I do that when I can get awesome, delicious bread? I can make a sandwich out of like fat Italian bread. Oh, it'll be yummy, yummy, yummy.

I just feel like – If you love it, yes. If you get other people – I don't eat it a lot. Yeah, good. I'm pretty balanced. But I like when it's there. I love it.

Yeah. Linguine with clams. Are you kidding I like when it's there. I love it. Yeah. Linguine with clams. Are you kidding me? You have that? Like real linguine, not some funky whole wheat pasta shit. No, no, no. Not the whole wheat. No, no, no.

Whole wheat's still bad, right? Yeah. Whole wheat's, yeah. That's full on bad. That's crazy. You're too hardcore for whole wheat. I know. You should start selling t-shirts.

I'm hard, dude. Too hardcore for whole wheat. So you're like, you must be like super organic then. You must eat. Well, again, it's balance. You would think, yes. But you know what? I have kids and they would run me.

I have teenagers. They look at me like, really? You're going to serve this for dinner? Oh, that's right. So it's about finding that in between. You know what? I searched and searched and I did find good gluten-free pasta that my kids don't even know that it's gluten-free. Oh, now they do.

Oh yeah, because they're listening to your podcast. They're like, Mom, what the fuck? They're going to be in trouble if they know. I thought this was real spaghetti. Some hippie bullshit you're feeding me. So I do try to... It's about a balance. It's about doing at least 70% alkaline or the whole

foods. And 30%, you know what? Yeah, I had a pizza balance. It's about doing at least 70% alkaline or the whole foods. And 30%, you know what? Yeah, I had a pizza Sunday. It was Super Bowl football. I'm going to have a pizza. Pizza is delicious. Come on. You have a diet and it doesn't include pizza. You can go fuck yourself.

There's something wrong with you. Right. See? That's stupid. That's dumb. You can't have pizza one day a week. Yes. How about one day a week?

Absolutely. Have a cheat day. Absolutely. Do you know a lot of athletes, they eat clean every day of the week except one day. And they'll have one day where they go bananas. Yeah, because it helps you. Because otherwise you don't go, you don't start, oh, I need this. I'll never have this again in my life.

And then you're up in the middle of the night having donuts. You know who has amazing cheat days? I just started following him on Twitter, The Rock. Have you ever seen what that guy eats? Dude, pull up some photos of what this guy eats his cheat days Is it where he's a massive massive human being and he works out like two or three times a day It's crazy Like he's very inspirational I'll figure in the exercise if you go to his tweets like the guys up at 3 30 in the morning doing cardio because he's got

To be on a movie set at 6. Yeah, he's nuts He's super, super, super dedicated. But he eats, like, really clean and healthy, and he takes pictures of his food, and then on one day a week, he goes off. And I'm talking, like, giant stacks of brownies and, like, a gallon of milk. The dude had, like, a mug of milk.

Yeah, look. Look at his cheat days. Wow, look at all those pizzas. Look at those pancakes. Look at he's got four giant pizzas. The dude goes off. Look at the brownies and that mug of milk.

That is fucking insane. And look, he's shredded. The guy's got no body fat. It's because all throughout the rest of the week, he goes bananas. He's at the gym all day, practically. Does movies and hits the gym.

I do it backwards. Yeah, you do it. you don't even do it backwards bitch there's not a moment in your life you live as much intensity as that guy not not even when you eat shit doing it but doing it that way he's he's just must be like a battery just like constantly going like there's certain people that like you gotta go wow like what's what gets you going like this 3 30 in the morning you're doing fucking cardio if i had a six o'clock time where i had to be at work i would get up at 5 58 put my shoes on and show up i'm not gonna fucking get up at 3 30 and do cardio indeed I've never done anything as intense as that.

He works so much, though. Maybe he doesn't have relationships, so he has to do something. So working out is the only thing. Because he works nonstop. He's on a movie set for seven months and then to the next movie. Yeah, well, everything I've read about him, everything, every interview, every tweet he does, he seems really thankful for all the good things that have happened to him. And he's got this attitude, work hard to get there, work hard to stay there.

So that's what I think it is. I think he's just obsessed. Gratitude. Yeah, he's got gratitude. It's amazing. Gratitude is a medicine. You can change your life with gratitude. You really can, right?

And as we were saying before about people who've had sort of near-death experiences and became like very spiritual afterwards and really sort of understood life in a in a broader perspective like that you're choosing to to look at life that way it's kind of difficult for people to visualize without the the real life-changing experience but if you could you would see so many amazing things about life. The whole thing is a beautiful mystery. Yes. And to hold it with less fear, then you have a less fearful life. And realize that that energy that you're expressing on fear, you could be expressing on positive things and advancing your position in life. Think of all that energy you're seeing.

Yeah. Advancing the way you interact with people and enhancing your relationships and advancing the way you approach whatever you do for a living and enhancing your creativity. Think of how you think about your boss or someone that you work with. The energy that you spend going, oh, there's such a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that, next time that thought pops in your head, go, okay, okay, I know I don't feel that way but I am grateful for that job because blah blah or just i'm grateful if you can find something to be grateful about your boss that's even better because then you can kill that fear and turn it into love and i know it's all

hippy dippy but that's what creates more of that positive vibration in your life you know you can also do and this is very practical if you have someone in your life that you don't like and you have to work with them, use them as an exercise. Exercise in your own patience and exercise in your own ability to actually be kind to someone that is not being kind to you because it gets really weird when you do that. When you're kind to someone and they're not being kind to you, they get even more aggressive sometimes. Sometimes.

And they're almost like they're stuck and they can't swim. It becomes this weird sort of situation. Fear and pain is an energy that people want to hook into you to release. There's actually – again, you can look at energetically that I've got this going on. Oh, there's somebody. I can give it to release. There's actually, again, you can look at energetically that I've got this going on. Oh, there's somebody, Oh, I can, I can give it to you. And if you react, if you re act what I gave you, then, Oh, you've got it now. I don't have it anymore. I'm good. So break that chain. Don't react. Re respond, look at them and go, okay, where can I find gratitude or love here? All right. I'm just going to, you know what, you've got a lovely tie and just move on. Yeah. For some people though,

they're always at like a seven or an eight, a scale of one to 10 with being upset at things because they're sort of this, this almost momentum of chaos in their life from jobs to relationship to this, to that, to they, they never have this moment where they can just stop well here's one when you start practicing living your life intentionally understanding that it is all vibrational then you start understanding that the people that come into your life are all part of your vibration. So if there's someone in your life who is always on a seven and eight and bringing it and losing it and all that, that's part of you. And the only thing you can do, you can't change them, but you can go inside yourself and go,

okay, where's the part of me that's afraid that I'm over the top and that I'm losing it? And you go in and heal that, and then that person will disappear or they will change. And I've done this for eight years now and I can say that that is exactly what happens. How do you explain stalkers? I don't have any. Well, you don't have any but other people do. Because it's a fear. You manifest it as a fear. You are afraid that as sexual as you're being in a photograph

or in a movie or something, that someone's going to take that and take it wrong and come back and hurt you. It's a fear. That becomes very hippy-dippy when you're dealing with the reality of people actually being victimized. It just depends on what

your definition of reality is. Wow. You're really putting yourself out there and I really appreciate it. I know. I can only do it here. It's such a weird way of looking at the world and a lot of people think that that strange, although non-judgmental, very non-judgmental way of looking at the world, it's almost akin to like the secret, like that kind of thinking. Oh yeah. The secret is like the mcdonald's of this movement i would say i feel that a lot of people are starting to understand this on a very basic level like okay if i just eat better i'm going to feel better okay food must have some sort of

energy that makes me and you start with that and then you realize the things that do make you feel better make your day better and it it's it's again it's not going to happen all in one day but it is something that is happening on a very wide scale and the it is the tipping point right now i think there's more people who i think there's people at home going oh that's what i always thought but i was just too afraid to say we have a model of the world i think that, that comes from more from the media, from books and movies and TV shows. That's sort of our model of how life goes, because we see that almost more than we see our neighbors' lives.

We see that almost more than we see other people interact with each other. You think about how many hours people sit in front of the television watching television shows. other people interact with each other you think about how many hours people sit in front of the television watching television shows and it's almost it becomes this very strange thing where fiction becomes almost the framework for the culture and it also it's sort of like it becomes a strange issue where everyone has to wonder where where do the roots of all this come from where where's the roots of all this crazy behavior? Are we creating this ourselves? Is our media creating

this world that we can't live up to? That we can't keep up with? Unnatural interactions with each other? Always perfect endings? The people that you're following through the whole movie never die? What are you showing me here, man? What are you showing me that's so influential?

And they're showing it to themselves as we said about the people who are in the movies themselves that get so crazy and delusional like they are obviously cut up in whatever the fuck that is as well yes and there's a lot of you can there's a lot of different roads of thought and you can i've been down the you know the David Ike I've read all that I've gone you know anything in that guy oh what's interesting is I started reading him about eight years ago and I read all this stuff you read all of it I know can you believe I was real I I needed to understand if I was gonna change my life and I wanted to live too I wanted to understand to really understand this on a very like a molecular level i want to get this so i studied him and the beautiful thing was is he he deconstructed

everything but doesn't he also believe in reptilians yes okay part of this part of yes indeed part of this whole thing is each of us is entitled to our belief. And that's what his belief is. And that's what his belief is. That they're all reptiles though? But I mean he's had like lectures on this. Oh yeah, but he also goes past it. He also goes past it and he starts talking about – but in the end, I understand that I am living an intentional reality and that I create my reality and I have to go into and only take care of myself because – and he even goes hippy-dippy and he gets to love.

He does. Read his last book. Well, I believe that a lot of people that have wacky ideas also can have very good ideas. Yeah. the idea that you can i mean that's what that's the idea of taking someone's good work and connecting it to some bad work and as if it negates the good work it doesn't really i look at the world again in balance and you can't have all good and the the the issue comes when you start labeling and judging what's bad and what is evil. And then that's a whole –

But Homeboy does think that the ruling elites are lizard people. That is an issue. Okay. That's an issue with thinking. That's an issue where you got to get – And you know what? He will present you with facts. No, he won't.

I bet he won't. Wouldn't you love to get David Icke to sit down with Neil deGrasse Tyson And have him tell him Why there are not Reptiles running this world Neil deGrasse It would be hilarious It would be fascinating

But that is a Fucking crazy belief There's all kinds of ways to look at it I believe in Bigfoot Not 100% You can say the reptilian ancestors of ours Are actually crazy belief. There's all kinds of ways to look at it. I believe in Bigfoot. Okay. Not a hundred percent. You can break it down. You can say the reptilian ancestors of ours are actually this, the whole darker side,

the whole, we've got our, it's scientifically a reptilian brain. That's part of us. That's the part of us that if we can imagine these horrible things that, that they have done, each of us has that inside of us. Well,

we're actually way worse than reptiles because reptiles just kill things and eat them. They don't torture them and tie them to trucks and pull them apart from each other and do all sorts of shit that you could find every day on the internet. Yeah, reptiles don't do that. So to call us reptilian in a lot of ways, we are way cooler than reptiles. First off, we're capable of amazing shit that reptiles can't even fuck with. But if you get past that, I mean reptiles are actually less cruel than us because reptiles don't kill for with. But if you get past that, I mean, reptiles are actually less cruel than us because reptiles don't kill for fun. They kill to eat you.

You know what I mean? They're there just to try to get by in life and they're programmed to not be emotional and think about things. But if you're programmed to be emotional and think about things and you still choose to act that way, that's way worse than being a reptile.

Yes, and then horrible things are going to happen to you. I still hate reptiles. I do not like them. They're not my friends. I don't trust anything that you can't train even a little. You never fucking train a crocodile monitor. You just keep feeding it until it's too stuffed

so it doesn't want to bite you. And they get used to you handling them, but they're never your buddy. They don't care. If you fell down right in front of them, they'd want to bite you. And they get used to you handling them, but they're never your buddy. They don't care. If you fell down right in front of them, they'd just start eating you. Right? They don't give a fuck. A monitor, a lizard? I believe some reptilians are humans.

Oh, they came back? Do you think so? Do you think there's interspecies sort of reincarnation? Are you talking about Wind in the Willows? You're so cute. When you're talking about making the choice like in another dimension

like a psychedelic dimension making the choice to re-exist in this life and that you create your reality do you do you think that that people

can be other animals do you think that a life form is just a life form are humans the only one with a soul what do you think no no no no

I think that this I think that this earth is a place of biological life and that it is a special place that all the other dimensional spirits can come and work through karma. It's one of the only places where you can get through karma. That's why I don't blame anybody for anything that is, quote, unquote, wrong with them. So you think this is like a way station? Yeah. I think this is, I think this is a serious, yeah, this is a way station where you learn. I think this is a life school. This is a school.

Yeah. Wow. There you go. That's fascinating. I, um, it's, what's really fascinating also is how different people come to it at different levels. They come to it from different levels they come to it from different starting points economically and physically and geographically it's all about

what what you need to ascend we are all ascending unless you're stuck in africa one of those shitty towns doesn't even have water now or or they are so close to or they're so close to nature they that's the cradle of civilization they they've existed for millions of years yeah but Or they are so close to nature. That's the cradle of civilization. They've existed for millions of years. Yeah, but they get eaten by lions. It's true. I'm not saying it's good or right.

I'm saying there's always a different way to look at everything. I guess. I guess every day that you don't get eaten by lions, you're scored. Thankful. There you go. And you get that gratitude. But then they eat like fly hamburgers. You ever seen go yeah and you get that gratitude but then they eat like fly hamburgers you ever seen that have you seen that see i choose not to it's the craziest thing ever they they they eat like mosquitoes mosquitoes they make like a cheeseburger with mosquitoes

they take them and they use a pan and the mosquitoes are so thick around them that they take these pans like it's a giant like cooking pot and they throw it through the air and as they're like swinging it through the air it's killing these mosquitoes because they're hitting the back metal and they keep doing this over and over again it sticks to the bottom and they scrape it up and then they fry it and make like they shake their face off and all the flies fall onto the mosquitoes i don't i guess i i guess that's better than getting eaten by a lion. I guess so. But I don't know. No. Yet none of us can understand what that person is even going through.

When you look at all the poverty and all the terrible places on earth and the war and all the strife and all the things, and then you look at the good aspects of life and when people are cool to each other and kind and when you look at this big balance, what do you see? Do you see like a work in progress? Do you see like a gym? I see a beautiful creation that works so perfectly. This whole reality is like a super mega biocomputer that is so brilliantly engineered that we can't even see it. That we don't even know we're in it. We come here and we forget about it.

And when I look at the bad and the good, I'm grateful for the whole experience. I'm grateful for everything. I'm learning. I'm growing. I'm creating. That's all. I can't feel their pain for them. I can growing. I'm creating. That's all. I can't do – I can't feel their pain for them. I can't take their pain away.

They are here to work through that and make their choices. The issue also comes down to educating more people to the idea that the reality that you choose to accept, the way your reality is in front of you at this very moment, what you can write on paper and take pictures of, that that is your life. It's not. This is just where you are right now. Yeah. This is what you're doing right now. We are only aware of 4% of the whole energetic spectrum of energy that, again, I'm talking

physics. Only 4% of it can we see. There's 96 percent of a whole energetic world that we are unaware of. So it's kind of silly that – and this is, again, science, that we think that that 4 percent is everything. Yeah. Well, they still – isn't there like a massive amount of the universe that they believe is dark matter and they don't even know exactly what that is? Because what's happening – I think in the next 10 years, our own scientists – and it's already begun. They're starting to say, OK, we are seeing that our universe is constantly expanding.

You've heard that, right? It's constantly expanding. Well, heard that, right? Constant expanding. Well, that expansion is the creation, is us creating and intending. That's the nature of our universe. And as above, so below, so are we constantly expanding. We are this great huge mandala. We're this – I forget what I say. Oh, there goes my brain.

See, I smoke too much. Mandala. No, it's too much. Mandala of – No, it's this – it's the thing – hologram. That's it. And when you understand a hologram, a piece of a hologram contains the whole thing. And that's how we are as human beings. We are in this hologram. And each of us – A piece of a hologram is like a fractal? Yes, it's a fractal.

Really? I didn't know that. Yeah. And when you understand hologram and what it is, you'll understand that we live in a holographic universe. That was a book, right? Somebody wrote a book called Holographic Universe? I started reading it, but I don't know what happened. I got distracted. It's a big piece of steak to digest. The idea though is becoming more and more mainstream that the reality that we see in front of us might not be the entire picture. Yes.

That's pretty much accepted. Let's just start there. Let's just start there. Yeah, but the issue comes when people get all – either incredulous or hippy-dippy. Yeah. Either or. You have to stay in the middle. That's what's going to save us is the people in the middle that's what i've said about like gays i was out there straights and gays but it's the bisexuals that are going to save us because they're going to go you know what i just

want a choice or they're just greedy or yes do they double your numbers or my numbers i don't know have you uh paid any attention to these recent ideas of computer simulation theory, that the Earth is some or the universe itself is a simulation? Well, it depends on how you look at it. I do. When you see, when you, as I have just studied the fractal nature, the nature of the universe, the quantum physics, it's the perfection is astounding. And then you start to think, well, we as a human race are just trying to replicate what we see. And so we've made computers and we are like, OK, this brain can't think that fast, but I can get this computer to think that fast. And all of a sudden these computers are starting to look like reality.

Wait a minute. Maybe our reality is – and then you walk away with, okay, it's just intelligent design. And I'm not going to get outside of the game right now, so I might as well play the game. And I might as well – I understand the rules now. Whatever the design is, it seems pretty clear that there's no question about it. There's some sort of a progression going on. And there's a progression going on with human consciousness, with human innovation. But there also is a progression going on constantly in the universe.

New galaxies are forming. New stars are forming. It's very, very, very strange. Because to think that somehow or another it's all just happening. Well, why? What's going on? What's causing it to happen? Is it just, it just is? Okay, but even it just is unbelievably fascinating. It just is. You don't have to call it God, but it just is the force behind hypernovas, the force behind black holes and the idea of fractal universes. It's the force behind the idea that inside every galaxy is a supermassive black hole with one half of 1% of the mass of the galaxy. And inside that galaxy may very well be a whole other universe with hundreds of billions of black holes and hundreds of billions of galaxies around them. Yes. And each one of them, another universe with hundreds of billions of black holes and hundreds of billions of

galaxies around them. Yes. And each one of them, another universe. And you can go the other way. You can go inside your body. Yeah. You can look at your cells and you can find exactly the same wonderment. When they get to that string theory shit and they start talking about everything being

strings that are vibrating at different frequencies. It's all vibration. It's all vibration. And how much air there is even in like the atoms that make an oak tree. This is all space. Yeah, that space is the 96%. The 4% is what our brains hold together in front of us so we can have this experience and create. The idea that a rock is all space.

Well, it is. Put it under a microscope. Yeah. You'll see it immediately. Yeah, if you go deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, you see that most of it is just, what is this? It's just the way it's vibrating. What's this crazy shit? It's just the way

it's vibrating. I never thought, I was never a school, I was always just music, you know, hanging out, whatever. When I started actually reading about quantum physics, Ken Wilber, really great. He's based in science. Bill Lipton, they're based in science and they're saying,

look, this is the wonderment we found and we think it means more. There's a gentleman who recently did an interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson who, I should give him credit so people could look this up. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life coming from a scientist. What he essentially said was that in the inner workings of quantum physics, when they get

to these badass, crazy equations, one of the things they found is self-correcting computer code. And this self-correcting computer code was a type of code that was invented, they thought, in the 1940s. And they found this very code in the calculations of quantum physics. I don't know what the fuck that means, unfortunately. Well, it sounds like clearly we are discovering ourselves and we're discovering the great code, the gigantic computer that is this beautiful earth and is us. Yeah, I guess. But it just seems like even putting a label on it.

Yeah. It's one of the things that I've always felt like – the gentleman's name is James Gates and he's the one who discovered this computer code. So just go check it out and read it online because it's so crazy. Wrap your head around this. Doubly even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block code, first invented in the 1940s, has been discovered. I mean, it literally is like the Matrix. If this guy's right, it literally is like the matrix if this guy's right it literally is like the matrix yes come on yeah well the idea is that if they were able to create a simulation

that it would be indiscernible from reality and that what we might have already done so we might have already transgressed from the biological life into this symbiotic sort of computer life. We just don't, we don't recognize it yet. I think a lot of it is when you realize that you are creating what's in front of you, then you can get out of that game. That's fucking ridiculous.

Try it. I guess. But the problem is, does it only work, that's how I felt about The Secret. but the problem is does it only work it's like that's how i felt about the secret i'm like they're only interviewing winners i know losers who have tried the secret there was a young lady who's a very nice person she was a friend of um what the fuck's her name bro kelly kirsten friend of kelly kirsten she used to always come down to the comedy store and uh she was super positive. And I remember she came down and she was telling us about The Secret.

She just started doing The Secret, living her life by The Secret, and everything's amazing now, and I can see how I'm going to totally manufacture a completely new life. And then I met them. I didn't see her again for about two years. And then I met them again

at another comedy club. And I'm like, and she was all bummed out. And I go, how you been? I go, what's going on? You still into that secret thing? And she goes, yeah, I really wanted to see if this makes sense to anyone else. Because I've been doing everything they said. And my life is a fucking wreck.

And she's like, and I have all these people in my life. And I can't get rid of them. And i can't get them to straighten their life out and i'm always dragged into this bad relationship over and over and over again and job sucks and work sucks i'm like wow absolutely you need to be in the secret too yeah he needs he needs to like let people know you can't just think things and also in the world exactly better that's why i call the secret the mcdonald's you can it's why I call the secret the McDonald's. It's a process. It's the idea, which is great.

I love that they got the idea in there. It takes practice because it is belief. If you look at your life and you believe, oh, I don't have enough and I want this, you are coming from lack. So you are creating lack. It's a crazy formula in how you think. It's a crazy formula in how you think. It's very hippy-dippy. A lot of people must get upset at that kind of thinking. They don't come around me.

They don't. Well, what they would go after is they would go after the idea of children with terrible diseases is their choice. Absolutely. That's what they would go after. That is where it breaks down because people don't –

people want to hold on to the thought that it is possible for something just to happen to you with no reason. So do you believe that this life leads into another one and you do this life the best you can and then you reap the bounty in your next life my belief no no because that's that's my belief is this is a school like i said and that we are all ascending and there are those who've gone before us who have figured it out and overcame death which is intense. That's a lot of work. There are those who understand that death is a transition, and they are done here with, okay, I've learned everything.

I'm ready to move on. And there are those who choose death, game over, because, you know what, I can't quite figure it out, and I'm going to try it again. Let me do it again. Yeah, the transitionary phase for a lot of people was made easier by psychedelics. Larry Hagman was doing an interview on CNN. It was really fascinating to see him talk about it. And he was talking about how when he did acid, it released him from fear of death, completely released it. when he did acid, it released him from fear of death. It completely released it.

So knowing that and knowing that he died recently, it was comforting knowing that that guy had that experience and had this different perception which really mellowed him out and made him kinder and gentler and sort of he saw it for what it really is, supposedly really is. I mean maybe he's just dead. I don't know. That's what a lot of people would like you to think. Well, his body is dead. All spirits totally live on. I mean maybe he's just dead. I don't know. That's what a lot of people would like you to think. His body is dead. Yeah.

All spirits totally live on. I mean that's just – Silly to not think that. Silly. But why would you choose? Why would you choose to believe that this is it and when the lights go out, that's it and it's over forever and ever? Why would you choose to believe that it's not though? Because why would you choose to believe that when you go to sleep –

You might be afraid. When you take a nap, you assume you're going to wake up. Yeah. But you're not afraid to just shut off. Right. Right. Why be afraid anyway? Right.

Why be afraid to just shut off? You don't have to live forever. You can just shut off too. That's all right. Really? No. When you overcome the fear of death, you really free yourself up. Yeah.

Well, you've got to realize that it's going to suck. Okay? One way or another. You're probably going to die screaming, and your body's going to fail. If you believe. If you believe. But then the next things happen. Well, if you're in a plane crash, did you manifest that? Yeah. You think so?

Absolutely. Whoa. I know. Again, not blame. Okay. Not blame. Maybe it's just one asshole on the plane that manifests that. No, no. What if he's the shoe bomber? If there's a shoe bomber on your plane, did you manifest that? Yes.

Yes. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Are you really sure of this? Only you exist, Joe. In my belief. I do believe.

And then I have to let go and go. And I believe that I do believe. And then I have to let go and go. And I believe that I do not need that lesson. I do not need to die terrifyingly in a plane crash. I do not need that. So I'm not even going to think about that. That is not even a possibility. When I'm born in an airplane, I actually think this is – because I fly a lot and for the first few years, it was was a white knuckle you know every little thing was like oh i'm going down you know rock stars airplanes it's like right so i um when i board an airplane now i think look at all these lucky people because there is no way this plane's gonna do anything because that's not what i signed up for that is not that's not the end of the lifetime movie it's not well that is a a very positive way of looking at life and if you're correct it's going to be amazing yes your life i hope you're around to masterpiece isn't it funny though

because even if your life was a masterpiece people like she got lucky exactly and that's belief if you choose to always believe that so you look at my life it's bad it will be bad the real problem with that is that people will people believe all sorts of silly things. And what I say to that is, yes, but the real issue is have we shown that beliefs can change reality? Yes, we can through the placebo method. That's real. That's scientifically measured effect where they've shown that they can give you something that is not physically active it's an inert substance and the idea of taking it for whatever reason you believe that this sugar pill which is actually poison right right um is doing something yeah changing your life that's

why i tell people when they come to me with cancer i say what do you believe do you believe that this chemotherapy is going to help you do you believe that then go with your belief what about r kelly because he believes he can fly. Well, then there's that. But then he does a lot of other shit that's really rude. Exactly. So I would look at the balance. Maybe that's why he can't fly.

Yeah. If R. Kelly could just stop peeing on people, maybe he'd fly around a little bit. Oh, that's so old. I'm just saying. He doesn't do that anymore? You're saying, don't judge. He's out of that space. I don't know.

Are you an R. Kelly fan? Do you stick up for all musicians? No, don't judge. He's out of that space. I don't know. Are you an R. Kelly fan? Do you stick up for all musicians? No, no, no, no, no, no. I think people make their own reality in the world. Are you aware of R. Kelly? I am aware of him, yeah. Have you ever watched any of his music videos? Oh, no.

I just watch Chappelle where they always make fun of him. His unintentional comedy is amongst the greatest things the world has ever known. Yeah, I know. Yeah, for real. There's a video called Real Talk, and you must watch it. I will. Preferably under medicated conditions. Well, yeah, stop. Because then the ridiculousness of it comes blaring at you like an awesome parody.

But it's not a parody. I don't think. I mean, he might be like parodying. He's trying to be a little bit funny But a lot of it Is just He's bananas Sort of like the Budweiser Commercial yesterday

Did you see the Clydesdale Did you watch the Superbowl No I slept through the whole thing Oh Jesus I'm a football fanatic It's a lesbian Are you really

My holy day A lesbian My holy day That's hilarious Do a lot of lesbians Get into like Guy type shit like that Yes

Really I My best friends Are guys because I can relate. Women are crazy. Girls are crazy. They are. Oh, that's funny. It's about the balance.

And I grew, my father was a huge football fan and just adored my father. And he, he passed away when I was 30, but he was, he just, he was a football coach and basketball coach. So I just, you know, I love that, and I grew up in the Midwest, and it was a big part of my life. Is your team Kansas? Oh, can you imagine? The Kansas City Chiefs.

We are in dead last this year. We have first round pick next year. Well, maybe you chose that. See? Everything's a metaphor. Life is a metaphor. Watch me now. I'm going to choose the best.

Choose the Patriots. Get your shit together. You can't. Try manufacturing a great team in Kansas City. There's not enough money in Kansas City, unfortunately. Oh, but there's gratitude. There's will. I'm telling you. Good luck.

There's giant black super athletes. They're seven feet tall now. They run a million miles an hour. They're going to find them when they're 10. They watch them the whole way and give them the right food. There's guys to this day that are recruiting kids. They go and get high school kids. They find these white dudes that can shoot a penny that you throw in the air with a rock.

They can football like a piston. They find these kids. They find these running backs that have ungodly speed and they just keep a good eye on them and follow them through college. So much money in football. They'd be crazy not to. The athletes that are being born today. Look at the quarterbacks. They're changing the game.

Just the technology in training athletes and the athletes, the realizations now of what's possible with various strength and conditioning programs and diet. Stanford just came out with some glove. This is really crazy. It's a glove, a cooling glove that's better than steroids. Okay? It's legal, completely legal. Somehow or another, they put your body in this glove, and the glove freezes somehow or another your body.

It cools you down, and it cools you down in a way that lets you recuperate at an incredibly rapid pace. It's a complete new thing they figured out. So people are going to be able to take this. They're going to be able to work out unbelievably hard, wear this cooling glove. And through no illegal methods, no unnatural drugs, just cooling their body. They're going to recuperate like crazy. When they start working with the body's amazing properties to create a better body, that's when it's going to work. Yeah, this is like a hijack. They found like a fuck up with the system.

All you have to do is cool that body temperature down. And like that's the thing they've been doing with ice baths as well. That's something that didn't really exist that long ago but now they're after training a lot of guys do these uh crazy ice baths oh my god it's hard to do it's so hard to like relax in there like you know that's the hard part once you climb in your your body constricts you can't get any air. You're like, oh, oh, oh. It sucks. But if you can do it, it's awesome for your recovery. Well, this is even better apparently. It's crazy.

So like the athletes that they're getting now, they're going to be even bigger. They're going to be even faster. And they're going to be on the Kansas City Chiefs. You think so? We got the first pick. The first pick. Even our second round pick is huge. It's way up there.

How does that work? Who gets what pick? The worst team gets the first pick. Really? That's hilarious. That sucks for the best guy. The worst team takes him in. It's true.

But look, Andrew Luck, the Colts were the worst team last year. They got Andrew Luck. They made it to the playoffs. Isn't it amazing that one super athlete dude is a quarterback, one super athlete in one way, one Herschel Walker type dude who's just unheard of athletes. They just can change your whole fucking game.

That's because he believes it. And then the other people around it start spreading and they start believing. So dudes with slow twitch muscles, can they believe they can win in sprinting competitions against Usain Bolt? You ask any professional athlete, what is it?

And they'll say, the difference between the Ravens and the 49ers last night, the Ravens believed it. You can see when the 49ers stop believing it. Maybe that's just what you believe, and you've created this whole Super Bowl, and we are just participants.

And you are my funny Joe Rogan. Yeah, I'm just your background. I'm your new toy that you just picked up today. I want to go talk to him. You just created us in our old world. Yes. It didn't even exist before you came around. But in your world, that is the case.

The reality is, in your universe, I didn't exist in a physical form until we meet each other. And you didn't either. I saw you on TV. I've heard your songs. But as a physical human being, you didn't exist in my world until today. So I really did kind of invent you. Yes. And you invented me.

Yes, and I'm glad we did that. So we all live in invented universes and they all parallel coexist with each other. Yes. So take charge of your life. Do it. Get your shit together, bitches. Melissa Etheridge just dropped some pseudoscience on your ass. But wonderfully empowering pseudoscience, right?

That attitude is one that's espoused by some of the happiest people I know, that you create your own reality. I don't know. I try to be, and I get accused of not being really open-minded, but I really do try to be as much as humanly possible. I try to, especially since doing this podcast, I try to look at every point of every aspect of things and not really make opinions on a lot of shit. Just go, I don't know enough.

I don't like getting into those conversations with people where they claim they do know enough to just refute things. I think people enjoy refuting things as well. Yeah. Because they believe very – it's all – if I just look at everyone with belief, you are free to believe what you believe. It's wonderful. Have you always been an artist? Have you always been a – Yeah, I can't do anything else.

I'm just hopeless anywhere else. What did you start with? Guitar. When I was eight years old, the transistor radio was the 60s. I was listening to The Beatles.

My sister was a little older and she had a lot of music. My father bought her a guitar. I was eight years old going, please, I want to play it. They said, no, you're too young.

It'll hurt your fingers. I'm like, please, please. And the teacher's like, well, let her come. She, she won't come back cause it's too hard.

And of course I played and my fingers bled and I was like, I want to do it. And I kept doing it. Wow. Yeah. See, I never had a desire to do it, but I was always fascinated by it.

It just was, it never pulled me towards like a career, but I was, when I was a little kid, I was probably like seven, and my sister was six, and we had a little record player. We'd play like 45s, and we had only a couple of records, and one of them was The Things We Do For Love. You know that song? Remember that? Yeah, The Things We Do For Love.

Like walking in the rain and the snow and i was amazed because it was really the only time i'd ever have access i'd ever have access to music that i could start and stop i could just decide ready go and then it starts and i was like now i can really pay attention to it as opposed to like walking into a store and music is playing or going into a restaurant the music is playing this is my first experience where I actually could turn on the music and turn off the music and realize, oh, this is crazy. This is coming out of this fucking disc. What is going on here? Someone has figured out a way to make this flat black plastic disc. And then I put this needly thing on it.

It spins around. It plays me crazy songs. It holds the vibration. You can do the science right there. That's vibration on the vinyl and the diamond in the diamonds are like rocks and quartz that's why all the quartz crazy stuff that picks up a vibration and you hear it which is just vibrations on your ear i think it's one of the reasons why i became a stand-up comedian yeah because listening to that i started asking questions and i remember I really remember this from being seven years old that no one had any answers to why they or how they

could put that music on a record no one around me yeah I was seven years old I asked my mom she didn't have any fucking idea asked my dad no idea no one had any idea yet there were records all over the place I was like damn this is weird like why would you guys ask how they make this? Like, isn't this freaky to you that there's something around you? Aren't you curious? And I was amazed at how many people just actually weren't curious. And that sort of started me along that path of looking at all these adults with a slanted eye.

I don't trust you. You don't know everything. You motherfuckers might be crazy. You don't even know how records are made you're just living your whole life not meanwhile i'm 45 i don't know how records are made i don't give a fuck but back then yes when i was a kid i thought these people were ridiculous but if my kid asked me i would at least research it i'll go let's find out you know i ain't going on youtube and you can see how it's made instantaneously you could know that's the

thing instantaneous information it's yeah that'saneously, you could know. That's the thing. Instantaneous information. It's changing our world. That is changing our world, isn't it? Do you embrace it? You're on Twitter, right? I see you actually respond to people on Twitter. You actually – Someone does, yes.

Do I? It's not you? It's not me, no. Oh, it's a fake. You don't do any blogs or anything like that, right? No, you can't win. You just can't win. Oh, you can't win. I missed it.

I missed the whole time, and I don't have time to do that. I have four children. And I choose not to spend the time. I will. I have a fan club. I have a whole group of people that work for me that do that. So I stay in that arena, but no, I can't.

But do people think that it's you? I don't know. I always tell them that it's not? I don't know. Because you have a verified account. I always tell them that it's not me. It's definitely my people. I can make a statement. I will go to my Twitter and I will go to my website and I will go this and you can count

on that if it says Melissa Etheridge said this you can count that that's what it is. That I did say it. The only problem that I would say is that on your Twitter when you go there, it looks like you're responding to things, responding to people, because someone is doing it through your verified Twitter

and they're not saying, hey, this isn't Melissa. Yeah, like a lot of Britney Spears and stuff like that do the same thing, but every time they actually do it, they do like dash B-S, meaning like it's her. Yeah. They'll write like team someone or another is doing this.

Well, I think I'll have to go to my team and say, hey. Which I found on a really unsuccessful comedian's page, and I was very offended by it. I was like, what do you got a team for, bitch? You don't got no team. You can't respond on your Twitter to actual people. For a comedian, Twitter is super important. Oh, yeah. Well, you can keep sharp.

Yeah. It's fun. It's fun to write little things on 140 characters, but it's also important to be able to keep in contact with people like that. You don't do anything like that. It's too much. I just don't want to spend the time to do it. I just don't. It's not in your –

It's not in my wheel, but yeah, I don't want people to know that to do it I just don't just not it's just not it's not in my wheel but yeah I don't want people know that much about me they know way too much anyway isn't it weird that they just want to find so much about you what did not interesting I am so not it's not it's not even that it's not it's just they fixate yeah just decide well because I want to look at them something yeah what was your part of it what was your Woodstock performance like that was one of my favorite shows yeah 94 and I just that was one of my

favorites of Woodstock oh thank you what was that like being in that situation I gotta tell you it was crazy one because it was the 25th anniversary and they hadn't got back together to do this and I remember being we took a car to a bus

that drove to a uh the secret house somewhere that then put us on a boat that took us up a river that to a van that took us to the backstage it was crazy and and i remember joe cocker opening the the day that that i played and i was on stage you know, get by with a little help from my friends. I was like, oh, this is awesome. And it was really, really wonderful. They put me in between Henry Rollins and Nine Inch Nails. That's crazy. And it rained during Henry Rollins.

So my show, The Sun Came Out, was beautiful. You manifested that. You manifested that and Henry Rollins fucked up. He got all negative and i'm not gonna blame him i know you're not gonna blame him that's why i'm here to blame him right so and i like him i like him oh yeah he's badass i like a lot of what yeah that guy is so i got to play and the audience was great there was a bit of moshing going on in front of me that kind of scared me people oh yeah you can bring oh look at that yeah it was great there by my last song i played like the way to yeah there's the the mud people they started because it had just rained and i could see this patch of of gray brown way far i mean i couldn't see the end of the

the audience and so i'm looking at all of a sudden that patch kind of turns into a snake and they all start coming toward the stage and everyone's like moving out of the way because it's all these completely muddy people from head to toe it was brian show that show that again that's a real first world problem a bunch of white people muddy all muddy white people are so silly and their decisions to get muddy yes because that was black people, that fucking concert's canceled, bitch. Right. It's muddy, no way. Oh, I'm out of here.

They're not going to go mosh. If it was all black girls, how many black girls do you think would be there? They're going to mess up their hair. Their hair did. Fucking high heels and stepping in the mud.

Bitch, that show's over. It takes dopey white people to be slamming into each other. That's us. Yeah, white people will get muddy. They get crazy. And the whole moshing thing, the mosh pit thing is so bananas. Like when did that start?

Serious pain. What happened to just enjoying the music or dancing? Why are you slamming into each other, you crazy assholes? I had one guy jump up on my stage and go to dive off and everyone just moved and he just went slam right on the floor. I'm like, oh, dude. Yeah, that must have been bad. Ouch, yes.

Did he get knocked unconscious? He kind of just walked off really because he was going to get thrown out if he did that. Oh, he must have been fucked up. Yeah, he was. Diving off a stage and everybody scatters.

Why would you think that they would catch you? That you'd be hurt catching somebody, you know? Yes, yes, you would. Oh, why would you just risk that? Alcohol. See? See?

See? Gets you all brave. But it was also his choice. It was his choice to be a dickwad. The universe is trying to end him. The universe is sending him bad signals. Like, go ahead, jump. Jump, dummy.

We're tired of your bullshit. No, never, never. No judgment whatsoever from you. No, none. How do you feel, though, when see like a horrible tragedy like Connecticut shootings? Like Connecticut, yes. That is definitely the hardest. And I'm not telling you it's easy that I just go, oh, you know, that's the balance.

I understand that through this horrific act that the outpouring of goodwill, the outpouring of, wait a minute, we have to do something. Not only only you know i mean i'm not going to get in the gun control thing i think it's beyond that to the people the person a person that can be in so much pain that they can walk in and do that that's that's a lot of pain let's look at what leads our human beings of our society to that sort of pain without anyone noticing. Right. But wouldn't you have to say that he asked for that?

I mean, with your philosophy, he created that? Yes. I imagine his pain was so great that the only way to unload it was to spray that much pain around. And the pain, it becomes all-encompassing. And, of course, you just fall into it. And, of course, you're just going to end your own life. It's like game over. It's like tilt. How do you factor in psychosis and things along those lines, like real mental issues?

Real mental issues. It depends on how you look at what – just because something is not the way you and I perceive, OK, this is sane and that's crazy. Right. Real mental issues, where's the line? Draw me the line where your thoughts become psychosis. Right. Where is it the – OK. Is it a spectrum?

Yeah. Is it broad? Yeah. Yeah. It's just – it's been vibrating that much more and so you are so far out of it that we call it psychosis. But there are some people that do not have an emotional connection to other people. They don't feel remorse. Indeed.

You look at that and go, what? What is their intention here? What is their – what do they need to draw – I mean who knows what they are intending and creating given that. It's like, OK, you're going to go back into the biosphere called Earth. You're going to go in there and we're going to – this is your handicap. You can't feel a thing because now, now work through that. How do you work through that that how do you work through that how do you have any feelings i mean the idea of not having any feelings and lashing out is a big difference between the idea of just not having any feelings without the need for inflicting pain on other people that's it

seems to be a dual issue it seems to be an issue of not being able to feel it for some of them and also the anger and the want and the desire to hurt. The belief that if they don't hurt something, they're going to hurt more. That if you got more people to sort of look at it that way and more people to – do you think that that would be like an empowering thing? Yeah. It's the point in which you see that peace is – OK, I need to – OK, you might have thrown the last rock. You might have shot the last bullet. But I need to be willing to go, oh, okay, I'm not going to shoot back. I'm going to start a different reaction. So if you get enough people who believe that and believe that if I take care of myself, that nothing bad is going to happen to me that I don't – that I can't handle because I'm not saying the world is all good.

It's about understanding your balance and what you ask for and walking through it. blame me then we start walking we start moving to a future that is all of a sudden you don't need prisons all of a sudden you don't need uh all of a sudden the way we govern ourselves completely changes but you got to catch people at a very very very early age and sort of manifest this type of behavior you have to get them when they're young expose them to nothing but love and curiosity and my kids think i'm crazy with joy why do they think you're crazy well because i talk all that voodoo talk because it is different that's what they say like oh mom stop that voodoo stuff but they will believe it when they call it voodoo yeah they do that voodoo stuff how long have you been talking

voodoo oh it's been about eight years eight years yeah but i i can constantly go okay you saw that choice you made this is the result of that choice. This is not anybody else. It's not anybody's doing anything to you. So there is no randomness, you think? So people that are in like the tower when the plane hits, they made a choice somehow in the world to be in that spot. If you can look at it without blame. Right. If you can look at the they, that that was what they signed up for, they wanted to be in it for that long. I mean, you know, I can't tell this to someone who lost their loved one. Right, of course. They're going to, that's not going to sound.

Yet my belief is founded on that I can't blame anybody else for anything. But it's also founded on the idea that you're creating this sort of reality that you exist in. And that everybody's creating their own reality. So if I work, if I make my little hologram, my little fractal of the hologram, if I work on making that the best I can, fill it with as much love and as little fear as possible, then I help the whole picture. Because the whole picture has me in it. I look at it as a – I don't have an opinion one way or another, but I do look at it often that it's a combination of that and scientific reality. Like I think that if the super volcano goes, we're all fucked no matter what you believe.

I do believe that. But I do believe that there's also a real possibility that your thoughts are creating a good portion of your reality. And your thoughts interacting with other people are actually responsible for culture in the first place. That's how decisions get made. Conversations have taken place. Letters get written. Books get written. That's how it all happens.

It happens through your mind interacting with other people and literally changing things in a very physical form that everybody agrees on but i think that even besides that i think there's other issues going on i think it's a lot more ethereal than we give it credit for it's very strange i'm just trying to walk every day just Just walk. But asteroids will fuck your world up. And that shit is real real as ice cream. They come down and that's a wrap, son.

And there's nothing you can do about it. And there's a lot of them out there. I think that too. I think you create your reality. But I also think that there's some random shit that I didn't sign up for. If it was up to me, there would be no asteroids. I would work that out.

I'd figure it out. I'd be like, that has got to be one fucked up way to go. There's a big light in the sky for three days until finally, boom. It's just over. Yeah. I'm not really into that. All right. That was not my idea.

I'm pretty sure. But I could be wrong. Maybe I was a real mess. You were thinking about it, though. Yes. Well, I guess. I mean, if you're correct, then I do live in this world that's really nutty, and asteroids are there to keep you honest. Or you could say, I'm really grateful that there were no asteroids, that it was a perfectly uneventful day.

What other kind of crazy out there ideas do you have in your head? Do you believe in alien contact? Do you believe in anything like that? Do you believe in alien contact? Do you believe in anything like that? I wouldn't say live, that exist on different planes and that that is where my spirit goes to when this biological body dies. I've tried to pretend they're watching me all the time. They will. It keeps me on a steady. It keeps me on a straight and narrow.

Yeah. It keeps me on a… Yeah. But no, I'm not a… You can… I think everything's metaphor, so… I lost a lot of interest in aliens once I had psychedelic experiences. Yes. The first DMT trip I had, I really checked out the whole alien culture.

I was like, you guys are missing the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. You're wasting your time. That's also what I – yeah, it's like it's not out there. It's in here. Yeah. I'm trying to explain that to someone that if you if a ufo landed on the white house law just the white house lawn got out aliens got out met the president gave him some new supercomputer

it would be way less crazier than dmt like dmt is infinitely crazier than that and it pushes you it pushes you to see what are you believing. Yeah. What's beyond this thing that you are so dead certain is reality. Yeah. Whoa. The deer head just fell over. That's his reality. Powerful stuff.

Yeah. No kidding. You got so excited you were pounding on wood. You're going nutty. Oh, my gosh. There you go. There we go. Dude, your bladder must be huge.

I've been sitting here talking to you, and all I need to do is just go. Go, go, go. Use the restroom. I'll be right back, everyone. Don't worry about it. I can take it. Okay. My co-host on the UFC has a real problem. That's not the bathroom.

The next, to that door to the right. Melissa Atheridge is cool as fuck. Yeah. I didn't think she was going to be so crazy hippie. She's super crazy hippie, right? Yeah. Neil deGrasse Tyson would be having fucking, he would be flipping out. You know who would be really flipping out?

Cara. Cara Santa Maria. Yeah. That bitch would be going crazy right now. That's like a non-scientific crazy talk. Vegas was a lot of fun this weekend Thanks a lot for everything Except for the peeing on my pillow part Yeah, Brian got so drunk

I left him at a certain point in the night Oh, after the show I went and played pool Because this guy Stevie Moore was in town He's like this world famous professional pool player And he wanted to play with me For me, that's like You know, it's like a golfer Who gets a chance to go play with jack nicholas how bad did he kick

your ass oh he tortured me did you win any games yeah i won a couple games yeah i mean he misses every now and again but he's amazing so i did that and uh brian went out and got fucking blasted to the point where he almost died and he went back home to his i learned i'm learning more new things by the way somebody like i have this alert thing on google if anyone you know uses red band it goes hey you're being talked about on this message board it's like someone sounds needy no no it's just kind of a way to like kind of track things well somebody was like hey just met red band in the elevator he he came back to our room and we smoked weed i went to some dude's room and smoked weed in vegas like a stranger or somebody just made that up no i i slightly remember it really yeah and then then i guess i i went back to my room and i had to go to the bathroom so bad that i woke up

and peed on my pillow and then put a blanket on my pillow then slept back on it and then woke up in the morning i was like why is my pillow away? Oh, Jesus. Oh, I'm back. Sorry. No, no worries. It's the perfect timing. Get back for a recap of Brian's weekend.

Yeah, we have Ari Shafir coming with us tomorrow who I watched scream and yell at the TSA agents. Oh, no. Did he do it again on the way back? Oh, he's doing it constantly. That's what he does now. He yells at the TSA. He won't take off his shoes. He won't take off his shoes.

He goes through a screening thing, and he's like, you guys are all corrupt. This is stupid. Tomorrow we'll talk about it. It was amazing. I got a picture of it. I tweeted the picture when it went down. I put it on my Instagram. But it was hilarious. I'm like, why are you creating all these problems?

He's like, this is stupid. It's corruption. We didn't ask for this. I go, yeah, but all you have to do is just take your shoes off and walk through that little thing and show them your junk, why are you creating all these problems? He's like, this is stupid. It's corruption. We didn't ask for this. I go, yeah, but all you have to do is just take your shoes off and walk through that little thing and show them your junk and then you go. Everyone is going to be fine. Those naked scanners, what are you afraid of, man, for real? Oh, I don't go through them just for the radiation aspect.

Some of them, the new ones where you stand up and you hold your hand up like that, it's not radiation. It's some sort of a radio wave. Yeah, that's what they say. You're not into it? I just stay out of it just general, in general. hand up like that, it's not radiation. It's some sort of a radio wave. Yeah, that's what they say. You're not into it? I just stay out of it just general, but I don't yell at them. There's more of an issue with the radiation of space actually scientifically.

That is if we believe what the numbers are that they say that those things, those scanners give off. But they say there's a real risk of radiation just actually flying, just flying, just being up in the air that high. It's a lot of radiation. There's a lot of stuff we, again, can be afraid of. I just believe I'm going to do the best I can. I'm going to stay in the best possible shape I can be in. Well, that argument, that way of looking at things is what I've always argued was a good aspect of religion.

With religion and putting things in the faith of God and having this belief that it's all going to work out, even though it's sort of like, in my opinion, I believe, people always say, are you an atheist or an agnostic? I believe people are full of shit, first and foremost. And that's always an issue whenever I hear a story. So I look at every religion as a collection of stories. Every religion is either a collection of stories or a collection of rules that came down from those collection of stories.

Everybody's stories are bullshit. So let's just put that out there. Now, I also believe that you believing in those stories and you believing in God's love and you believing in doing God's will and you believing in being a good, God-fearing person, in the same way that I believe it's, you know, I pretend that the interdimensional beings are watching me, so it keeps me on the straight and narrow, I think there's a benefit to that. There's a benefit to that. I don't think it's a correct way of approaching it rationally, because I think whatever merit is in the ancient

texts, whether it was actually the word of God, it very well could be. The huge issue is reading it at face value, using it for like a framework for how you behave and act in this life when it's written thousands of years ago by people with very limited access to information and all of it is ridiculous. It's all ridiculous. Yes. And the desire to do good. Yes. Is, is a natural human state.

Yes. And to, to corrupt it with fear is, is unfortunate when, when religious religion, you know, and that we're the only one that's right. And yeah,

and you're not. Control is when someone has power. It's really simple. It's very similar to what we were talking about with actors losing their mind when they become really famous. It's almost similar. They have crazy outfits on and they control the Vatican and so

they are used to everyone being terrified of them and freaking out in their presence. So they think they deserve it. If I could get the Pope on a podcast and the Pope spoke English, it would be the most hilarious conversation ever. He would never do it. He would leave. The moment we started talking about pedophilia,

he would probably run out the door. But the idea that this guy is so completely sheltered and so completely revered where he's just a guy with a wacky outfit on and that is it that really is it and this idol worship that was actually talked about in the bible you know while worshiping false idols it's actually dangerous yeah it really is it's confusing it's ridiculous and the real god whatever you stop saying the word or say it if you like the universe or the creator the intelligent being whatever it is you know alex gray or the creator or the intelligent being, whatever it is. Do you know who Alex Gray is? Yes.

The visionary artist? Yes, yes, yes. Brilliant, brilliant man and a beautiful human being. He came and did the podcast and he was just amazing. But he uses that word God all the time. He's like, we have to take that word back. Yeah. He's like, stop connecting it.

Everyone's connecting it to religion. It represents the idea of the perfection that is possible. Yeah. It represents love. It represents – and his really beautiful point of view on it really opened me up to that. I don't use it that often because people misinterpret it and people automatically cookie-cutter it. They shove it into that framework of predetermined patterns of behavior that have been adopted from religions. But I think at the heart of everything good, at the heart of all good feelings is that love thing,

the thing that pulls us all together, the thing that makes us interact well. That's something. Yeah. If you take the teachings of Jesus, of Muhammad, of Buddha, of Martin Luther, of Gandhi, Martin Luther, Gandhi, all – they are all based in the love each other, love your neighbor as yourself. And that's what I'm saying. Yes. You can't blame anybody.

And then love the Lord your God or whatever with all your might and your heart. So it's about infusing love. And if you can walk with those, really – and to completely take it away from religion because I certainly – being the big homosexual I am, I didn't fit into religion at all. So it's yet God – I believe in that. I'm with you on taking that back. I think that was a huge mistake in keeping homosexuals out of the church. What a dumb move because by doing that, by alienating that aspect of the population, you missed out on a whole bunch of other people you can control stupid. And now they're all against you. And we dress better.

Yeah, that was such a shitty chess move. They should have embraced the gay people, said that that's just another aspect of life. It's the same, just as beautiful as a male-woman relationship. We'll just follow right along with you. Do whatever you want to do. And then people have been like, oh, there's lesbians in our church today. No one would have cared. It would have been fine. You would have had more

people in your church, stupid. But you blew it. Why alienate gay people, too? That, to me, is a weird one. I've never understood that one fear yeah but fear of what is your own sexuality yes yeah your your own fear of sex sex depends on how where you grew up if you grew up and your parents if if when you were three years old and running around without a diaper on if you were touching your genitalia work i just said genitalia that's fine if you're touching yourself and your mother

goes don't do that that starts your whole wait a minute there's something wrong with that i'm not supposed to do that right and and that grows and and then depends on all the other parts of your experience any any things that naturally happen to us when they put that fear on it then that'll mess you up it's not a coincidence that the most suppressive aspect of our accepted culture is Catholic priests. I mean they're not allowed to have sex. They're always involved in scandals that are sexual. Come on. We are sexual beings.

It's part of connection with the god. Yeah. Well, how do you explain those dumb monks that are up there? They're not having sex with anybody either. Wow. They got a good thing though. At least they're monitoring their mind to a point where they're controlling their physicality. But I still think that shit's ridiculous.

It's true. You don't have to go be a monk. Don't worry about it. This is so not necessary. You'd never make it. Have you had any experience in the isolation tank? I have not. I really want to do that though. I am consistently amazed at how many amazing, interesting people haven't tried that out. Yeah. I just, I haven't – where do you do it? I can get you in.

You want to try it? There's a place in – well, there's a – the best place in the world actually is in Venice. Oh, really? Yeah. Venice, I don't know if that's close to you, but it's a – There's a place called Soothing Solutions in Burbank. But the issue of the Burbank place as opposed to the Venice place though is the tanks. Burbank place is fine. I mean, if you're close to that,

definitely go. And the lady who runs it is super cool. The difference is what that guy at the float lab has done. The float lab is the place in Venice. He's taken floating to a completely different place. He's a super genius. This guy is nuts. And he creates these unbelievably

solid, amazing, huge tanks that are so regulated, and they pump oxygen into them. He's got it down to such a science that when you're in that, I mean, it's just so – the environment is so perfect, completely soundproof. You don't feel anything. You're floating through space. Your body is just – like the water is the same temperature as your skin. So as you float there, you literally don't feel the water. You're released of massive amounts of tension. Just a physical feeling.

It's amazingly recharging just physically. And then if you go in there with brownies, you get to meet aliens. I believe that. Absolutely. Because all you have to do is just get past your belief that this is what's in front of me so I can't possibly see aliens. But if you remove all that – and we say aliens just as in other spiritual dimensions. I'm just being silly. Spiritual beings.

It's something that talks back. Yeah. That's what I like to talk to. That's when you realize – because some people think, oh, the way that I believe is very lonely. Yeah. No, no. It opens you up to – we are anything but alone. It makes me very thankful whenever I believe is very lonely. No, no, it opens you up to the, we are anything but alone. It makes me very thankful

whenever I come out of there. That's probably been like the biggest tool for developing my own personality, my own view of reality is that, because it's a real reset. It's a real time off when everything's shut off. And when I get out,

I just want to call my friends and tell them I love them. I just want to pet my dog. I get really thankful. How long do you stay in it? A couple hours. I like to do two hours. I just think it's another thing that I would like to see spread.

And I know some people are doing it. My friend Scotty from OnTheMat.com, he's got a tank center that he's looking into opening in California. Or in L.A., rather. And then I know the Float Lab is going to in California. Or in LA, rather. And then I know the Float Lab's going to open up another place in Hollywood, too. And there's plenty of business out there. If more people did it, a lot of people want to know about this. And a lot of people would benefit massively.

Like, if you enjoy getting a massage every now and then, you enjoy taking a yoga class, this is that times 100. It's really incredible. I will do that. Thank you. You should totally do that. I bet it would... Your music. I bet you'd. Thank you. You should totally do that. Yeah. What's wrong with me? I bet it would. Your music.

I bet you would come up with some crazy shit from in there, too. Oh, that much space. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Just being complete floating around in there. How do you write? Do you sit down with a guitar or do you sit down with a piece of paper?

Do you both? Well, it always starts with inspiration. So that can be me sitting here going, oh, wait a minute. Maybe you just said something that sounds rhythmic, that sounds like, oh, I want to write about that. Do you just go run out of the room and write it down? No. Actually, I use the iPhone a lot to just make notes to myself. Or if I hear a rhythm or sing a melody or something, I'll put it on the voice memo. Oh.

Yeah, I do that a lot. And then when I have time, when I make time, I try to make two, three, four hours and I can sit down and really just work something out and see if I can get it out. You know what's amazing? I don't know if you've ever used it. On the iPhone it has this little icon. Apparently the Android phones have this now as well for the notes.

If you press it, you press this little microphone icon next to the space bar and you can talk into it and it does it in real time. It's amazing. Check this out. Watch melissa etheridge is a bad motherfucker watch this bam look at that look how quick that is oh it typed it out it typed it out perfectly whoa now i gotta see if i have this so i because i used to i have a lot of stuff that i wrote in my little notepad but i'm not as fast with my thumbs as that is. Sometimes, for me,

a new idea for a joke is so slippery. It's like a fish that I can't hold on to. I've got to write it down. How does that go again? Someone's still talking to me. Please stop. Stop talking for a second. I've got to hold on to this. What is this? How do I write this down? But if I could just

say it, it would be way better. I could get the idea completely. Because sometimes my ideas are so ridiculous. I have to go back and read them like two or three times to figure out even what the hell I was saying. But these new little note features where you could do that with just the microphone, it's amazing. These new cell phones are just – what you can do with them is just unbelievable. It's amazing. These new cell phones are just, what you can do with them is just unbelievable. It's so crazy. So you write things down

just when you have this idea or you record like the melody, like you hum it or something like that into your voice memos? Yeah. Yeah, it depends. Or I'll play,

if it's a piece of guitar thing, I'll play that or piano or whatever it is. It always comes from different places and then I'll give the time to work it out and do whatever it's going to be. I love when still keep creating they just never stop they just keep pumping stuff out

I love it yeah it's so it's so fun it's so fun to be a part of uh this crazy culture that you know it's a crazy world that we live in now and see all the stuff that's coming out too it's like we have more access to great information, great music, great movies, great everything. We have so much access to inspiration. We have so much access to art. It's an amazing time. And to see people embracing the internet

and using the internet as a method of spreading all this stuff too, I think we just live in very, very rare times. That's another thing to be really, really happy for and really appreciative of, this time, this strange, strange time that we exist in. Do you write and create as just a matter of like, I mean, you're so successful now, you just must do it as a desire. Whenever you feel like it, you do it every day,

like this is my gig, how do you treat it nowadays my life is so full and so i'm so blessed that when it's time for me to create something i it's like i'm thinking about a musical like i would really love to you know have a musical but that that's a big huge undertaking so I just give myself, say, okay, these few weeks, I'm going to give myself from Monday to Friday, from 10 to two every day. That's what I'm going to work. And then when I'm done with that, then I'll give myself some time off and then I'll say, okay, and I'll gather the pieces, the notes, the stuff, and then I'll make another album. I'll give myself, I'll actually work. I'll make a time every day to work. And when you do that and you put together an album, do you say, okay, you know what?

Let's take this bitch on the road and see what's up. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the best part. I mean it's great to create out of nothing and make music. I love it. I would do it all the time for nothing. And then when I get to take that and share it with 1,000, 2,000 people a night

and here they are and they love that music and I'm singing it and it's an energy exchange. Then it's just beyond. That's just wonderful. Yeah, the live energy exchange. Isn't it amazing? When they're your fans and they came, they're Melissa Etheridge fans and you hit them with one of the classics and you see their eyes light up and they scream.

There's nothing like starting a song that people know. It's really nice. It must be an amazing feeling. It's wonderful. It's an amazing feeling to be an audience member and a song that you love comes on like that. But to be able to do it, that must be crazy. You're a weird conduit. Yes, I am.

That's what it really boils down to. Absolutely. You move the energy through, you ride out. Yeah, people that think that's hippie crazy, like there's something happening. Why am I getting goosebumps?

There must be some, actually somebody just sent me that the other day. There's some sort of a scientific explanation for why music gives you goosebumps. But I say that's horseshit.

See? You don't know what the fuck that means. Why, how come it gives me goosebumps and not you? Why am I responding to it but to another person it's not the right music? Your belief.

That's what's really important too, to recognize that in a lot of people, it takes them a long time to figure this out, is that everybody likes different stuff. They just do. And there are some people that are not going to be – they're not tuned into it for whatever reason. And they're not – I – it's a weird thing when you are a performer and you are beholden to people buying your records in that chart position or that certain position, that number. And you think, oh my gosh, I want everyone to like me. And it's just not possible. It's not possible. And that's a good thing.

Everybody. it's just not possible it's not possible it's and that's a good thing everybody and that's why you can then it helps in my belief when i was oh i i believe that those who resonate with the music i make will come to it and it would just be fine everybody else i'm not blaming you judging it's just that's what you are yeah i mean there's billions of people the people that you they'll only love you for who you are if you are who you are. Yeah. And if you try to be a bunch of different people and a bunch of different things – Well, we see that over and over. We see these people just lose it because they have created a certain persona in the public eye and then they feel – you start feeling like that persona, that's not you.

So any accolades that that persona gets is not you and then you're just miserable. You start drinking and – Oh and you're fucking crazy. You're on pills. You're driving fast and they're taking your picture. How do you avoid like crazy rockstar cliches like that? Well, I figured I, uh,

I have two ex wives, you know, two baby mamas. I, I figure I, I fall into the rock and roll to X. Wow. I know. What is that like? Do you stay in contact? Oh, I have to, I and roll. Two ex-wives. Wow. I know.

What is that like? Do you stay in contact? Oh, I have to. I have two children with each of them. Wow. I know. And I have to send them the check. Yeah, that's hilarious.

It's the same cliche. It appears in the female world. It is. The female world. You got to pay for it no matter what. That's what they say. Nobody writes for free. Yeah.

Right? So, you know what? But I do. We actually, because when it comes to the kids, we get along. Okay. You know, I don't have to socialize with them. Right. And that's fine.

But for the kids, they need a happy, not happy, but they need a cohesive unit that they go back and forth from. Right. And so I'm determined to do that. That's awesome. The lesbian relationship dynamic, is it often like the male-female heterosexual dynamic? It depends on who you are. It depends on what you are. Are there power couples where there's two Melissa Etheridge's and they're both badasses and they're together?

Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, right? Now I have – my partner now, her name is Linda, and she is a television producer, writer, director. She did Nurse Jackie. So she's successful. Yes. Great show. Isn't that a great show?

Great show. Oh my gosh. So there's badasses living together. Exactly. So that was my question. And that – it actually – actually because i believe because i finally started believing in myself a few years ago okay i'm a badass i'm a badass then i'm gonna draw but that's what you gotta do then you gotta draw then you will draw a badass to you because you

are vibrating that that's the only way if you're sitting there going i need someone to fix me i need someone to come and be then you're to think yourself as broken and broken people will come to you. Yeah, this is something that is driving scientists crazy right now. They're hearing this and they're going, damn, Melissa Etheridge and your nonsense. What are you saying? Show me the studies. Show me peer-reviewed papers or shut it. Yeah, I think there's a lot of merit to what you're saying.

I don't know if it's right, but I do believe that believing in it is very powerful. And I think it's empowering. Oh, yes. That's all I'm saying. And I think you're obviously a living embodiment of that. And also a person who's experienced the ups and downs of not being aware of the body and then changing it and becoming aware and becoming much happier. And I do not do it perfect every day. Again, this is a practice. I make my choices.

I live. I go up and down. But that's life. Especially when you're busy. It's hard. It's hard to manage it all and keep cool and treat everybody as if it's you living another life. Yes, it is. It's difficult.

It's not easy. But listen, just you being on here was a huge treat. It was an honor. And it was weird because it was like I kept telling people, dude, Melissa Atherton you being on here was a huge treat it was uh an honor and it was a it was weird you know because it was like i kept telling people dude most after just coming on here i told it seems make-believe oh well to us to brian and i we started doing this in my living room on a laptop as a goof you know it's just look see yeah but you believe you loved it that's another thing things that you love will grow well it became something somewhere along the line i don't how it happened, but it just did and we're just sort of riding it. Well, I figured you would ask me the questions that I want to be asked.

I'm always available to talk like this, but most often than not, they'll ask me the same ten questions over and over. Well, it's very obvious that this way of thinking is important to you. You want to express it and you're very courageous in expressing it because it sounds fucking crazy to a lot of people. Well, and why not? What have I got to lose? And I'm not saying it sounds crazy to me. Although it does sound crazy to me,

it also sounds possible to me. I think there's a lot of weirdness to the way we perceive the world. And there's a lot of strange... If you can even start from that, as maybe that which I think is so definite is not. If you can start from that, then you're on a journey. I think having these conversations are very, very important.

I think having these conversations publicly and just the consideration it takes to not necessarily accept the idea but just to consider the points of it and not – as I said, I believe that that is possible. But I also believe in asteroids. Yeah. I believe that if you're in the wrong place, a tiger will eat your ass. And it doesn't mean you're a bad person. No, no. I'm not saying there's nothing bad. Yeah.

Exactly. It's a beautiful way of looking at the world. And again, you might be right. There's a lot of flexibility to this thing that we exist in. And it doesn't seem like we are operating on a long history of people's work where they've really figured it out it seems like as a culture we've been doing crazy barbaric shit to each other since the jump and we're now just in this period of abundance starting to go whoa whoa whoa whoa hold on hold on hold on let's google that yeah you know yes that's is that true

are you sure that's true what are we doing here exactly where's the oil where's the oil who's who's got the who yeah is that a real ufo what the fuck is bigfoot right that's all happening right now thank you very much marissa it was beautiful talking to you it's a real pleasure and an honor and you too thank you so much your new cd i have it here oh yeah it is um it's got some of this in it i I do put that in my music, too, you know. Yeah, it's Fourth Street Feeling. And is it out everywhere? Yeah.

Amazon, all that jazz. iTunes, all that stuff. You can find it. That's a nice package. Isn't it? Are you talking to me? Yeah. Oh, there you go.

Yeah, it's unlike a lot of CDs. Yeah, this is the deluxe. There's a lot of artwork put into the actual cover, which I really miss. I mean, I'm not old enough to really remember too many records, but when I was a little kid, I had a Cheech and Chong record, and it was Big Bamboo, and I opened it up, and it was like,

I didn't even know what Smokin' Pie was back then. I was like eight, but I probably knew what it was, but I wasn't into it. But it's not why I bought it, because it was funny, but their album cover was this big rolling paper thing, and you would open it up up and it was like there was so much work put into it. Really an art form that I do miss. Yeah, the deluxe version.

My record company is great. They'll put out the regular version which has the – I think there's 11 songs on it, 12 maybe. And this is the deluxe version that I have a lot of fans that really appreciate the extra artwork and the extra songs. And so we put that on it. Yeah, it's great photography. Whoever did that, they really sort of captured the tone of a lot of the music on here. It's really awesome. What is that car?

That is a replica. It is a 64 Chevy Impala. I asked them to get it because that's the first car I had when I was a kid. That was the first car I ever bought when I was 15. got it wow yeah so yeah that's what i said with the big bench seats in the back and the front was awesome it's amazing that people drove those with no seat belts no seat belt well you could they had babies in a tank oh i don't know how we survived how did we survive we didn't have baby seats no no nobody Nobody had figured that out. We had no helmets. We had no seatbelts. When you fall down, you got fucked up when I was a kid.

I just love those pants. And everybody's parents smoked with their windows open. I remember just sitting there in a cloud of smoke. It's horrible. Yeah, strange times. Alright, go get it, you freaks. Fourth Street Feeling. Melissa, thank you very much. Thank you so much, Joe. I really appreciate it. It was awesome.

It was a lot of fun. And don't think that if Melissa talks to you on Twitter that it's really Melissa. All right? Now you know. It's Team Melissa. Unless she says it. Right. All right, you fucks.

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I couldn't film it because I think you'd go to jail for doing that or something. Patriot act type shit. All right, Fox, We'll see you tomorrow. We love you always, even though you are an illusion that I've created in my own mind. No. It's a good one. No, I'm an illusion that you've created in your mind or both, but it's awesome. All right.

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