The Joe Rogan Experience - #323 - Rick Ross

Episode Date: February 6, 2013

“Freeway” Rick Ross is a community activist, formerly known for his incarceration after being convicted as the kingpin of the “drug empire” of 1980’s Los Angeles.

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Oh yeah, I gotta get the charger. Oh, okay. We're waiting for Freeway Rick Ross. I should say, I say Freeway Rick Ross because we have to make the distinction between him and the guy who's the rapper who calls himself Rick Ross, who says he got his nickname through some other, he has got some wacky explanation for why he has the same name as this guy who was once an actual huge drug dealer who

was actually involved unbeknownst to him to the whole Iran Contra scandal. Because back when the CIA or whoever the hell it was, was illegally selling drugs in Los Angeles to fund covert operations overseas that they didn't want to get approval for. It's really kind of crazy shit. This guy was involved in that. Unbeknownst to him, he was just out there slanging. He was just out there slanging and didn't realize that he was making so much money

because he was sort of in cahoots with Uncle Sam. Well, not even Uncle Sam, just corrupt aspects of Uncle Sam. I mean, I'm sure you can't say all of Uncle Sam. Well, not even Uncle Sam. Just, you know, corrupt aspects of Uncle Sam. I mean, I'm sure, you can't say all of Uncle Sam is corrupt. That would be pretty douchey. Do you think we got to Ari yesterday? I think we did. Yeah, I kind of felt bad. You felt bad, why?

Because it seemed like it very reminded me of just, how are you thinking like this? Right. Like, oh, shit. Maybe we should have done this off the air because maybe this is like he's going through some shit. Maybe he's smoking too much weed. Like maybe he's fucking like what if he is smoking just mad amounts of weed? Well, he definitely is.

But I don't think it's that. I just think it's a matter of Ari is a very smart guy. And when you're a smart person and you see something that's really stupid, you can have a really adverse reaction to it where it gets illogical. And he's allowing himself to get illogical. And he's allowing himself to get upset at those people. And the end result is you're not really being victimized. Yes, you're losing a little bit of the privacy of what you bring on board.

But we understand that and we know we're going to do that. But I think Ari had to relook at it. And I think once he did, he started seeing it a different way, which shows you how smart he is to know that he can get caught up in a fucked up way of thinking. But it's just that can happen to you. You can get caught up in a fucked up way of thinking but it's just that can happen to you yeah you can get caught up in a fucked up way of thinking and it's it's not beneficial it's not and it's not the only way you could look at it but it seems like it is at the time at the time it just seems like the way to go and you're like no fuck that but really you know when you look at all this shit to be pissed

at that's not that's not up there yeah and you could tell you what he was kind of realizing it yeah you know so near the end of it you could tell he was second guessing himself well you know his his point about the seats the plane seats makes more sense but still he's yeah Ari's a good dude he's he really is a good person he's just got you know he's got a little a little bit of anger that comes out of him sometimes when it comes to certain things. And when, when he gets angry about something, like it's very hard for him to look at any other point of view, but that's super common. You know, a lot I've, I've, I used to have that a lot. I used to have a real problem with once I got angry about something, I can never think that, uh, it was my fault that it started

in the first place. I always try to justify it for myself. And then I had to look at that. I'm like, wait a minute, why am I making excuses for this? Look at this for what it actually is. What actually is going on there? It's very hard to do. And a lot of people are bad at it. And it doesn't mean that you're a bad person.

It means you can get caught in a fucked up way of thinking. And so you'll just snap. And for Ari, it could have been something else. It could you're a bad person. It means you can get caught in a fucked up way of thinking. And so you'll just snap. And for Ari, it could have been something else. It could have been a girl problem. It could have been, who knows? It could have been a little bit on edge. And then you get in front of somebody, and then they do something that you think is just so stupid,

just fucking stupid. And then before you know it, you don't even know what you're doing. You're just yelling at someone, and you're not taking a big, deep and going what is this really you know how much of an inconvenience is this how much should i be reacting you know what is really going on here i see a bunch of people doing their job and the ultimate goal is to stop planes from blowing up it's you know but that's once you're there once you're at 10 you know like he was like he was yelling at them and shit like he was he was

at 10 he was at he was at the point where i was like i was going god damn it i'm gonna have to get a fucking lawyer i'm gonna have to call a lawyer like how do i get a guy out of jail i've never had to get somebody out of jail so if ari you know if he gets arrested i'm like fuck what do i have to do here you know he needs he seems like he needs to get back into doing jiu-jitsu like he seems like he has these rage issues you know like in the past you with you know he needs he seems like he needs to get back into doing jiu-jitsu like he seems like he has these rage issues you know like in the past with you know like bobby lee and with that with all that other stuff and i think it would certainly help him if he had some sort of serious exercise but i don't think he's really into it yeah he does um basketball i know he does that

like once a week or something like that yeah but not basketball with black guys basketball he plays basketball with little comics cigarette smokers right yeah it's so true it's so true that basketball is a joke what kind of cardio those fucks have oh yeah i think mervis i don't know if you Mervis. He's this big guy that plays one of the Capital One commercial Vikings. He's on the basketball team also. Oh, really? This guy's a huge guy. Oh, that's funny. The Capital One Vikings commercial.

You know, like, what's in your wallet? Do you buy things based on cool commercials? Do you ever do that? No, but it really tells me like hey like sonos i don't know if you know what sonos is this is a company that has this bluetooth speaker and it's fucking it sounds amazing i bought them for my whole family for christmas uh it's just this little blue you go on your iphone and yeah i have it yeah yeah it's it's great and uh as a really small like a rectangle right yeah it's like a little box.

With a little blue in the center of it. I just got it. It's great. It's one of my favorite things ever, especially in your bedroom. What was I talking about now? Oh, you're so high. Look at you. What were we just talking about?

What were we talking about? I know. Bluetooth? I don't know. Oh, shit. What? Commercials. Buying something.

Oh, they have a really cool commercial. As an example, I was like, what is this Bluetooth speaker? And I went on Amazon, read some reviews and stuff like that. And it kind of made me go, well, if they have such a cool commercial, they are a cool company because they have a cool marketing company. Well, they have a cool advertising company that they hired. I mean, haven't you ever gone to someone's website and you know they suck, but the website's awesome?

Yeah. Well, you just hired somebody cool. cool. Right. They figured it out. But there's certain ads where like, you know, out of respect, you see the ad, you buy shit. Like, I know somebody who buys Geico because she thinks the Geico

ad is hilarious. Right. So she's always like, you ever seen the one when pigs can fly? Yeah, it's so much better than like, say, progressive. I don't want to fuck that girl. Get away from me. Okay, that's not true. A lot of guys want to fuck that girl.

Really? Yeah. A progressive girl? Sure. I don't want. Do you think that a lot of dudes have a type like that? I guess.

Do you have a weird type? Yeah, Asian. That's not weird at all. They're amazing, man. For white people from Ohio, that's about as exotic as you get. Right. They're cute, Asian. That's not weird at all. They're amazing, man. For white people from Ohio, that's about as exotic as you get. Right. They're cute, too. Yeah.

They have little toys. Asian girls are very attractive. I don't know. Did you always like Asians? Not always, no. I think Asians are... The idea for white guys is that, whoa, it's exotic. This is crazy.

She's like another species. And they're super smart. You know, you get all the danger without dating a black chick. You know? You get all the danger of being around someone alien to your culture. Yeah. But you get this exotic sex girl that's like you know thought to be like really submissive and you know like that's what people always love like the

asian girls will stay in their place and they'll be submissive and take care of their man and like guys will say oh i got an asian wife i'll tell you what i'll never go back to white girls again a lot of guys say shit like that you know is it a certain part of your age that you become a Vietnam vet? Like that you just get into Asians like hardcore? Because it seems like... What the fuck? Listen to that question. If you use that question, you could use that in court.

To the judge, on paper, the way that question was written. Right. They would take away whoever's taking care of you. They would bring you somewhere else. They would say there's something wrong with this development look at the way he's talking i knew this one asian girl that she would clean me every night and it was she'd put lotion under my eyes and then clean my fingers and make that popping noise and stuff and like whoa are you do you do this for professional like how do you know to do that popping noise on your fingers and and then

take care yeah she's taking care of you and washes me with that wash cloth and it's amazing but then you know normal girls are just like trying to puke in like your trash can and stuff and well yeah i mean well you're getting real personal here fella but um your situation uh you know without talking about it yeah i mean you got oh this is not my current situation i know it's not your current situation but that situation that girl you know you either get that and you have a nice girl who takes care of you or you go on wild freak sex orgies when you're on ecstasy those are your two options in this world that you find yourself in you're presented with very unique challenges you know not a lot of people have those problems.

Most guys, the problem is actually just getting laid. You, the problem is trying to figure out... It's a crazy world, but when you're talented, when you're in a position, when you have some people paying attention to you, you get like superpowers. And right now you've got freak superpowers, so you've got to deal with that.

And the only way to deal with that is either you go on a fuck rampage or you find a good one and you settle down. Those are your two options. Because, you know, you either use that power for evil and you go out there and spread your super aids or you find a good girl. Either use that power for evil and you go out there and spread your super aids. Or you find a good girl. The problem is finding someone that you actually like and then finding someone that you can actually tolerate for long periods of time.

And then, like, actually still enjoying being around them. It's so rare. It's so rare. And it's not necessarily the man's problem. It's not necessarily. It's so rare that they're, and it's not necessarily the man's problem. It's not necessarily the woman's problem. It's like the odds of you finding someone that whatever is wrong with them fits in with whatever is wrong with you. And they both like clink and they like fit in perfect. And you actually enhance each other. You actually make each other's lives better.

You can do that, but it's fucking stupid hard to find. You know, it is possible but you're definitely not going to find it when you're doing those coke ecstasy binge situations like then you're just it's all about rehydrating and then you know finding out how long do you have to wait before you dig and get hard again every day with those pills joe yeah but i'm telling you, man, you might break something in your brain. I don't think you're supposed to take that shit every day. I don't, actually.

Well, you don't. But I do. I'd say once a week, I do that. It's like a vacation. You're so crazy, you don't even buy the pharmaceuticals. You just go to that fucking drugstore counter. Mexican taco version.

You get that shit at the gas station that's sitting on the front counter i had to get one at 7-eleven the other day what the fuck's in there i know i got this one at 7-eleven yet the other day i showed you in vegas this is on the big thing it's like uh it's like watch out for counterfeits but it's printed onto the box like why would they even say watch out for counterfeits and it was such a huge symbol and then on the back it was like also peel this off off if you want to use it as a calling card or something like so it was a calling card slash dick pill thing so you could like use like a long distance yeah like like you can make it like a gift card

like when you go to like a gift card place it was I don't know it's fucking weird gift card are you talking about a calling card like for a pay phone? It was like the pay phone. Do you remember those? Yeah. Yeah, it was just like they still sell those. Do they still sell those? Remember 1-800-COLLECT? Remember when that was around?

That was a big thing. There was all those 1-800-COLLECT companies. Yeah? Remember that? There was like, no, there was a Sprint one. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, they would offer you. What are those things that are offering you like a phone that you use through the internet?

What is that? That still goes on. But it's like a late night commercial. It's a phone that works on you. It cuts your cost down. The guy's dialing internationally. What is it, like a Skype phone? Is that what it is?

Yeah, it's like Mr. Jackoff or Jack something. Yeah, something along those lines. Yeah, you plug it in and it just pretty much does what Skype does. It's just like a USB thing that you attach headphones to or something like that, if I remember correctly. But that's all it is. So it's not like an actual phone phone. No, it's just like what Charter or Skype is or any of these voiceover. So you have to do the dialing through a computer?

No, I think you could set it up where you can use it. I don't know. I think there's like a phone jack in it. That's what it was. It's a phone jack on one side. On the other side, it was a USB plug. And what it does is it just pretty much converts your phone into a voice over the internet. So you're using Skype but with a phone line.

So it will ring in. Why bother with that? So it will ring in. It's, why bother with that? Yeah, well, that seems like it was kind of around more when it used to cost money to, like, be, like, in other states with your phone. Right. Like, most people don't have, like, out-of-state roaming, right? I don't know anymore. You don't have issues with out-of-state.

Like, as far as I know, like, the the minutes i have verizon i can use it all over the country and i'm not roaming right yeah right but remember if you used to like drive just a little bit out of your house right you were fucking roaming you would be in some area where you don't really have coverage yeah so you have to use somebody else's coverage some other company and they bill your phone company and your phone company bills you like double or triple or whatever the fuck it was and for then back then it was a there was a big deal to like make a long distance call holy shit yeah long distance calls were crazy do you remember when they had phones and planes that's one of the only pieces of technology that slipped backwards was the phones and planes that's

that's right you never see that anymore never see that you know when you used to open up your seat and inside your console there was a phone you'd slide a credit card down it yeah and you'd enter in your card information and then you would fucking use the phone you know why you know why they don't want you to turn on your cell phones anymore because now they don't want anyone to describe the terrorist events because they're all undercover you know government agents and there's really no hijackers it It's like, you know what I mean? They don't want communication just in case if they have to take down another plane. Well, that would be Alex Jones' way of looking

at the situation. It's very clear. These people don't want you making calls! These people are the enemies of liberty. If you're on a plane and some shit goes down now you just have to draw pictures yeah that'd be like a sketch artist at a fucking courthouse that's right is that not one of the stupidest gigs ever like let's uh well you know we can

you can show what happened but you can't be like really good about describing it so only draw it yeah we have that show I do Monday. We have a sketch artist that draws, and we had this guy do a Doctor Who drawing. Sketch artists, for real, are like a last. What is that? We have every show. Yeah, but what is that picture?

It's from Doctor Who. Doctor Who. And then all our faces are in the stomach. There's me, and there's Brody. Sketch artists are seriously that. I mean not the artists themselves they're just people with a gig but the idea behind it is seriously one of the most arcane aspects of our our judicial system it's fucking ridiculous when you see those photos on tv when a guy's in court and you see the tv shows you the news shows you a drawing like what the fuck am i

seeing here that is to me like such a sign of like a fucking dorky world that it's so it's so screwed up and ridiculous and so nonsensical that they'll they'll film a drawing of some stuff that happened in a time where photographs exist. It's not like they're not pretending. They have no idea what happened in that courthouse. We have no news for you. No, we had a guy in there, but they wouldn't let him take pictures,

but they would let him draw. You'd be like, what? Who the fuck's in charge here? You'd pull them over and you'd go, what is this? Why is this here? What are we doing here? Let him take a fucking picture.

It's 2013, asshole. You don't need to draw let him take a fucking picture it's 2013 asshole you don't need to draw pictures take a fucking picture did they do that though because someone wants to lie someone wants to be able to lie someone wants to be able to control the access to the images that get displayed from the situation someone wants to be able to control the situation that's all it is if they wanted the american public which they should, especially in cases, criminal cases, we have to worry about whether or not this person is a bad person. They're out there trying to victimize people. They're trying to limit your access to how the court works,

to limit your access to what actually takes place in a courtroom. Because a lot of times it's bullying. There's a lot of bullshit that goes on in court. There's a lot of bullshit that goes on in court. There's a lot of shit that goes on in court. Did you know the people that get charged with medical marijuana, when they get arrested, they get arrested federally most of the time, and they're not even allowed to use the word medical. They can't say medical marijuana.

They just sold marijuana. If they use the word medical, they just throw them in jail. If it says contempt of court, they just throw them in jail. This is a contempt of court. They'll throw you in jail because they don't believe that marijuana is a medicinal substance or it's not their law. The federal government, they're allowed to say that there is no law. So you can't say medical marijuana. So even though you're defending yourself in the same country as where medical marijuana is legal, you're not even allowed to bring it up

in a federal court. If that's not some crazy bullying, you know... It's stupid that they could censor that. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, if people knew about these things, if you're watching video footage of courts, you know, of constant, you know... I know they had court TV for a while.

That was kind of fascinating. That was like our first time. Did they get rid of that? I think it wasn't that popular. Most of the cases sucked. And quite honestly, there's a lot of shit that's more interesting than watching trials all day. And then they had the OJ trial, though. That was on court TV court tv too wasn't it

yeah i think so that was on everything though remember that that was like a television event that was kind of like all over north where every channel was all about all over north well it's the first time we really were pretty sure that a celebrity had killed a woman like we're pretty sure right you know there was some speculation About other people in the past Wow Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe No Yes Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe Yeah

A lot of people thought That Marilyn Monroe Was talking too much shit But that's what They would always think She could It could have been That she was just a crazy bitch

She did a lot of pills Or whatever And died I heard she gave him herpes Holy shit You heard that She started it She was the first one

She was patient zero In the herpes war Did herpes exist Before the 60s I was patient zero in the herpes war. Did herpes exist before the 60s? I don't know. When was herpes invented? I bet it's been around forever, if I had to guess. I'd say that shit came from France.

Where is herpes? Patient zero is from France, I guarantee you. Oh, I was actually under video search on Google when I searched for herpes first. Oh, they showed it to you on video? Oh, gross on video yeah shingles is apparently a type of herpes did you know that shingles is like that shit that some people get these bad breakouts all over their back yeah I know somebody that has that it's supposed to be horrible yeah I heard somebody got chicken pox rare chicken pox the other day some famous person and she had already had chicken pox. So it was her second chicken pox.

I thought that's never supposed to happen. I know. It was somebody weird like Betty White or somebody. What? Yeah. If you're that old, man, you get chicken pox, you're fucked. When you're really old, you have to wash your hands all the time. First herpes.

That should be a meme. If I was going to make fun of me and my points on medical science, if you're really old, you should wash your hands a lot. But you really should. They say that's one of the best ways to prevent diseases. Just not constant. Don't get nutty. But keep your fucking hands clean.

That's where you pick up most of it, I guess. Going from hand to mouth, you don't even realize it. It's kind of rude that we have this weird war going on between our bodies and these strange little things that attack us, that make us feel like shit and literally weaken your body. And they're so common. They happen every year.

There's a whole season with the attack. And sometimes they get people. Some people die off. People that avoid medication, people that are old, people with compromised immune systems. Colds get them every year. It's crazy.

It's like we don't even think about it, but colds are monsters. They're just not that effective. It was actually Barbara Walters hit with chicken pox, a rare version of it. Did it say she had it already? I don't know.

I thought it was somebody. Yeah, is she not vaccinated? She's 83. Mama, this is a lot of words. Yeah sucks though that can't be fun yeah yeah those are those weird fucking things like the mumps when the mumps comes around like what is going on what is this shit where's this coming from like how does that work but all of a sudden some kid has the mumps there's a mumps outbreak in new Jersey like who was the first to get that mumps? Like how does that how does the something like that reemerge?

Or that that other disease that supposedly porn just got back into porn that was really oh, yeah, was that syphilis syphilis? Yeah Super dangerous that shit kills the fuck out of you. I think syphilis is what got al capone i'm pretty sure weird i think syphilis does like horrible things to you before it kills you too it's really bad oh hilarious court tv is now true tv really and true tv is the fakest of all tv show channels. So that's crazy. Core TV is like, you know what? We're losing money on real. Let's go get some fake money.

Let's get some fake. I was watching that show. I just got into that Storage War show. Oh, this is so stupid. It's so addicting because I want to see what's inside those things. And I'm thinking, why doesn't... These storage companies auction these off, right? Why don't they just go through it and then sell everything and make a ton of money, these storage companies?

Well, I'm pretty sure that it's 100% horse shit. Well, that does happen, though. They do have auctions at storage companies. When you're watching those shows, they are not taking any chances right as to whether or not they find shit they just pretend to find shit are you sure that that's a fake show i'm almost positive that a good percentage of all reality tv is fuckery that what you're seeing is overproduced fuckery that's why when you watch it it's real obvious

when you watch like i watched i told you I watched a whole episode of Jersey Shore where the whole episode was about. Well, that's fake. Yeah. One dude wanted to leave. The situation wanted to leave. Snooki wanted to stay. That's the whole episode.

The situation's like, come on, let's get out of here. And Snooki's like, yo, he wanted to fucking leave. Fuck him. And they're just like, come on, I gotta get out of here. And Silky's like, yo, he wanted to fucking leave. Fuck him. And they're like, come on, I gotta get out of here. Like, there was a whole episode. And you know that they, like, they concoct these fucking things. I mean, they decide that there's gonna be some sort of an issue. Okay, here's the issue.

Ready, go. When they were trying to do Minding the Store, that was one of the reasons why Duncan didn't want to be involved. Because, like, it was gonna be orchestrated. Like, they were gonna have, like, this is what's gonna happen. We're trying to do Minding the Store. That was one of the reasons why Duncan didn't want to be involved. Because it was going to be orchestrated. They were going to have, this is what's going to happen. You're going to go looking for some Mexican food. You can't find it.

You look for some Chinese food. It doesn't look good. And you go, and finally you're going to sell on this. And they had a script and they worked it out. It's like it's a sketch. It's just a really bad sketch with no creativity instead of it's not reality you're not like following a guy around it's like a sketch about someone finding an old record player in a storage container oh my goodness is this this could be worth a lot of money we bitch you know exactly what that's worth you put it there you fuck

that's what you're watching you You're watching shitty sketch TV. Why wouldn't they just do real ones then? Because it's more fun for them to be able to orchestrate it. Yeah, but even the fake ones would be crazy. I'm sure they're finding bodies. Sometimes. Sometimes you don't find anything. Sometimes you find a bag of newspapers.

Then what the fuck do you do? Sometimes you find a guy who collected a newspaper. Oh, great. He's got 100,000 issues of the New York Times here. Every day for the last 50... What the fuck? You'd be so bored. I bet you've got to go through a lot of storage containers

before you find something wacky. So you can't just keep filming. And you can't keep buying these things either. You can't keep rolling the dice. You might go into one and there's nothing in there. So I think that if I know the way that the studios think, they want to maximize their cash. either can't keep rolling the dice you might go into one and there's nothing in there so i think that if i know the way the studios think you know they have they want to maximize their cash so listen is there any is anyone opposed to us fucking leaving a body here let's just leave a

body here they'll go get a fake body they'll put a body in and let's say we found a body that the other fucking mind the one guy on the show uh i forget his name but he just goes the whole time he just goes, yup. The whole time, he just goes, yup. And he wears hats that say yup on it and shirts and his car says yup on it. Oh, that's his thing. Yeah, that's his thing. And it's trademarked.

Oh, my God. He trademarked yup. Somebody should drop a meteor on his head. How do you trademark yup? Is that even possible? Well, I think it has to be spelled as spelled as y u u u p or something like that so it's more of like uh it's not a real word or something that's gross i i can't even watch that show i've only watched it a couple times but one of the guys who left didn't one of the guys

who left say it was all bullshit it was all staged who it was that same guy that yup guy oh really he said it was all staged oh wow yeah i might not listen to him about anything i know maybe maybe he's just a drama queen yeah maybe he's a lying bitch he's just trying to ruin the whole show maybe i'm wrong maybe bigfoot hunters are really looking for bigfoot finding bigfoot yeah they keep having they keep doing the same show over and over again they have to find something did you ask tyson about Bigfoot? I do not know. Because that would be weird to see if him... Yes, it would. I wanted to ask him about

space stuff mostly because that's his specialty. I would like to see his take. The really fascinating professional take on it is the Jane Goodall take. That one really sways me because obviously I'm no scholar of

primatology. I don't really know that much about apes. I just know what I've read and documentaries and stuff, but I've never like formally studied it. So when someone like Jane Goodall, who when I was in high school, you know, we watched documentaries in class that was it was a jane goodall documentary it was a we we read books about jane goodall and when she says that she's sure there's a undiscovered primate living in the pacific northwest i go damn when she says that she believes in the yeti as well she thinks it's probably the same animal yeah but maybe you know, she's getting older in her age, and she picked a soul that she... This is the journey she picked. Yeah.

Boy, I got more tweets about Melissa Etheridge and the Melissa Etheridge podcast than any podcast in recent... Except Neil Tyson. But people were either going nuts and loved it, or they were like, damn melissa ethra just off her rocker yeah well i mean half the time i was totally on board though you know it was just that once in a while where something came out that was like she well you know what her point of view is really fascinating because like i said it's it's like almost like a religious point of view it's like you're empowering yourself with this it's way way of looking point of view. It's like you're empowering yourself with this way of looking at the world. But it's like, I don't know.

It's a tricky thing to think that you're creating your entire world and that you're controlling your own destiny like that. It's very weird. Weird to not recognize that there's a lot of interactions and to ignore all of them. Like if you see all the interactions like on a street corner, just see people walking across the street and see cars stopping and not stopping and people texting and people not realizing that the light has turned green. You see all that randomness. You see people like on their phone

with their hand up to their head and they don't see a car that's merging to the right hand side because their head is being covered by the phone. That's, that's really common. You can't control all that. Okay. And if you're there, you're telling me that you, that you're safe, you're going to be okay. Cause you haven't, you haven't arranged to have this happened in your existence i say wow i say wow i say maybe though shit i don't know she might be right it you i mean what a strange thing it would be if we found out that all this time we what we were really lacking was just confidence and understanding of our capabilities and that you really can completely manifest your own reality with your mind and that your your whole world that you live in you can orchestrate

with your mind wow that i mean in the future one day if that tone turns out that that's the next evolving capability of human beings and that way they just weren't aware of it but some of them made it happen on their own and didn't know why weren't aware of it but some of them made it happen on their own and didn't know why they were doing it and then the other ones made their life a complete and total mess but it was all essentially their own choice their own choice to do so yeah be fascinating but it's it's for me personally i see why she commits to it i see why it would be empowering and i see why it makes her feel like really strong and powerful and i i i see all the benefit in it but my point of view is always way more who the fuck

knows there's way more who the fuck knows to anything i can't confirm like for sure 100 i don't have anything in front of me that tells me that that could be real. I don't have anything. It might be. I mean, it's one of the possible scenarios the imagination could conjure up. You could conjure up a million different scenarios as to why you're here, why you're built like you are, why you have the interest you have. You can come up with a million different combinations of hypothesis as to why and what happens in the previous life if there is a previous life but you're really just making things up that's reality the really the reality is you being in another dimension and you're choosing this life

like you're really just making that up i don't know if it might be real it might be real it absolutely might be real she almost was borderline talking about being similar simulation theory meaning like like you chose the player you picked the outfit you know and then you went and like like she was almost saying that we played a game we we made our character and we chose the level that we were going to do where what part of the map we were going to live on and it was weird if you thought of it that way like she was almost doing some kind of hippie version of the map we were going to live on. And it was weird if you thought of it that way. She was almost doing some kind of hippie version of the simulation theory.

Yeah, very much so. Yeah, I think the people that believe in the secret and the people that believe in simulation theory, there's definitely a crossover there. Right. I mean, if you're really creating your own reality, what the fuck? See, the problem is reality is so slippery and weird that the idea that we're creating our own reality

doesn't seem that far-fetched. If we found out that this world really is a simulation, I don't think it would be that much different than it is right now. Because if we didn't know the world was a simulation, if it never was even a theory, right now because if if we didn't know the world was a simulation you you know if there was no if never was even a theory and you just looked at this world and you go well does this make sense no this world is filled with shit that doesn't make sense all the the the i mean besides the

marijuana laws and sketch artists in courtrooms. And there's a million fucking things that make no sense. There's a million things. They're stacked up all over the place. And then there's a million things that are like so beyond our capability. Even the people that are enthusiasts in them, like when it comes to cell phones or when it comes to that Bluetooth device you were talking about, the Sonos thing. Those things are so outside of our understanding. We can read that, oh, Bluetooth is this bandwidth, 108, 111B.

Oh, okay, yeah, all right, and it comes through this way. Do you know how to make that? Do you know what you would have to do? Do you know what reactions are causing the interaction between those two devices? I have no fucking clue. And these things exist right alongside sketch artists. It's like it's all together, like a giant joke. It's like a joke of a movie.

And if you were going to make a simulation about the Wild West, the roaring 20s of the technological era it would look exactly like this day and time so if we really are players in a simulation it makes a lot of sense this the the the the beyond bizarre nature of this reality makes a lot of sense that it's fake the problem is it sounds retarded you that, you sound like a fucking idiot. You sound like a weirdo. You sound like a dumbass. But scientists way smarter than us are the ones who are proposing this. It's not us. I didn't invent the idea of simulation theory. I became fascinated with it. I talk about it all the time. But it absolutely never came from my mind. It came from me reading something that a scientist wrote about it all the time, but it absolutely never came from my mind.

It came from me reading something that a scientist wrote about it where I was like, what? It was not even a thought that I ever even entertained. The idea that the whole world is like some sort of massive computer program. Yeah. It's craziness. It is craziness. Joe, did you see this video right here yet it's a community access channel show uh it's a guy that wants to be like one of those guys that go on like the tonight show

and brings the animals you know oh no but this is like like the amateur like this is the open mic of being one of those guys this guy is the biggest idiot in the world he just what he does he has a table and he has a table and he puts a ton of animals on there and he mixes animals together that are not supposed to be together. Like cats and birds. Come on, like, check this out.

How ridiculous. Come on, kitty. Kitty has this attractive color. That's one of my favorite ones. Monkey and a bird? Monkeys think they taste good, too. Now, when he's chewing on my finger like this, what I do is I tell him no and I poke my finger down his throat like that. He gags and then he stops. Oh, Rick Ross is here. With bird feathers, iguanas are very easy to take care of as long as they have the right diet. You're better off just keeping them away from the world if it's possible.

Have nothing to grip against so they're going to grow a lot faster than all the other nails. Whoops! Kitty on the floor. What are you doing? Whoops! Oh, puppy down. Hello puppy. It's important that you really work hard and...

Ferret on the floor now. It's important that you really work hard in obedience training. Oh, excuse me, Barney. All right, now, if you have... Now, this kitten never saw a dog before, so he's scared. Okay. Okay, it's the first time he's been here.

Now, if you hold the kitten... There we go. All right, let's... Folks using this on iTunes are not going to even appreciate this weirdo. What is it, if they want to Google it? Who is this guy? It's on LiveLeak, and it's what the fuck?

This shirt isn't Animal Planet. It starts off, it ends with like dogs and turtles. Okay, let's shut this shit up. See what happens when you're not here, Rick Ross? These motherfuckers playing turtles or wrestling with cats and all kinds of shit. Man, I apologize, man. No worries, man. No worries. They told me don't leave. Oh, really?

So, ladies and gentlemen, we said before, if you don't know who Rick is, Rick is a one-time aspiring tennis player in Los Angeles that was a young man that didn't have even the ability to read and became a gigantic cocaine kingpin,

wound up going to jail, learned how to read, studied the law, learned that they fucked him, got out of jail because of it, and found out that there's a dude using his name who's a rapper. And it's the craziest thing ever. I mean, if you know rapping, you know Rick Ross, a lot of people are like, oh shit, Rick Ross is going to be on the Joe Rogan podcast? And then they tune in and they go,

who the fuck is this guy? No. Hey, people stop me on the street all the time. Say, man, I saw you on Joe Rogan. Matter of fact, it's crazy. Let me show you this here. You put me in the t-shirt business.

What is it? What is this? The Real Rick Ross is not a rapper? By the way A dude came to one of my Chicago shows He had one of those Hey This is your work man Oh that's beautiful

You did that The Real Rick Ross is Is not a rapper You the one got me in the t-shirt business man Well I'm gonna wear it I'll wear it with honors I bought you two. Here.

Beautiful. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to thank you, man, for putting me up on that game. If people want to buy them, where can they get them? They can go to freewaysocialmedia.com. Freewaysocialmedia.com. You're going to get hit with an avalanche right now.

You think so? Oh, fuck yeah. You think they're going to support me, man? Are you kidding me? They're going to support the fuck out of you, man. They're going to support the fuck out of you. You. They're going to support the fuck out of you. You're going to get hit with an avalanche of orders. Damn, you make that shirt look good, man.

Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. So one more time on the website if they didn't write it down? FreewaySocialMedia.com. FreewaySocialMedia.com and get yourself the real Rick Ross is not a rapper. Man, you see the new business that Joe Rogan put me in. You know what I'm saying? Now I now not only

am i selling t-shirts i start off selling t-shirts but now i'm i'm manufacturing them i'm putting them together and everything oh that's beautiful you gave me a whole new career well it's a great career too because you know what man this guy has made a lot of fucking money off you you should make a lot of money off you too i hope so and this this is the way to do it too to you know to explain like what the fuck? It's a crazy story, man. It is. There's a dude running around pretending to be you.

And almost got killed last weekend. Was that real? Because I know 50 Cent and him, if you don't know the whole gangsta rap world, ladies and gentlemen, 50 Cent and the fake Rick Ross do not like each other. At all. At all. And 50 Cent, who I've met, he's a very nice guy, he apparently has been saying that the whole thing was staged.

Because none of the bullets hit the car, apparently. That's amazing. That's amazing that he didn't get no car. Was it an AK? I heard it was an AK. I don't know what it was. Whoever it was, it was a horrible shot. Crashed his Rolls Royce.

It's the worst shot ever if you have an AK. If you got a giant fat dude in front of you in a Mercedes. What was it? Ace rose royce a nice looking rose royce too yeah he didn't 57 makes a lot of a lot of sense well you know i thought about it after he said that because i mean i couldn't you know i couldn't just grasp that at first and i'm like i mean who would go in in a community and let off 15 rounds just in buildings and and how do you miss? How do you miss 15 times?

I mean, I guess you can in the right circumstances, but, man, he's very lucky. But if he set that up, I mean, if he actually would set something up like that with a real gun and shooting it in an occupied community, I mean, he may really wind up being a gangster one day in prison. Or it could be that someone was just trying to scare him and that they weren't trying to scare him and they weren't trying to kill him they're trying to get him to give money and if he gives the money you know you can't give money when you're dead so they don't really want to shoot him what they want to do is scare the shit out of him let him know they might and that's when he crashed that's what i thought

too that's what i felt i felt that it was a warning shot you know pay what you owe yeah uh you know and get on your business and for who don't know that side of the story, apparently he used someone's name in a rap and there's a group of gentlemen that call themselves the Gangster Disciples. And apparently they gave him a warning once and he did something else. I was in jail with some of those guys.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. They don't enjoy his use of their vernacular and the image. I mean, who would? Who would want somebody to come represent their thing, something that you've worked hard for, to put together, and then here this guy comes in, hasn't paid any dues,

but he enjoys all the benefits. It's a strange case of Americana, in my opinion. I find it quite fascinating because, you know, we are, in so many ways, we're so silly with our culture and are, are,

are going way out of the way to pretend to be something that we're not and selling an image and, you know, and portraying an image

and his case, his story is one of the most fascinating ones that I've ever seen. Yeah. Because he's making all kinds of history. He literally is like, remember CB40, the Chris Rock? Yeah.

He's like an updated version of that. He's a corrections officer. I mean, it sounds like- He's worse than CD4. It sounds like you're writing a movie, right? A corrections officer who's known to be like, didn't he get employee of the month and shit? He did. He did. He got a ward.

Okay, so he's a corrections officer. And you know what you have to do to get a ward as a correctional officer? What do you have to do? Look at a lot of balls and assholes. You gotta find things. I mean, that would be a job that would suit me, right? If it was a female facility.

Oh, yeah. But even then, but what if you're pulling dynamite out of chicks' pussies all day? After a while, you get a little paranoid. Still be fine. But at a men's facility? Yeah. I don't think so. Not me.

I'm going to have to wait. So the guy pretends to be this guy with this crazy criminal past of selling drugs. And he tattoos your name on his hands. Wow. Your name, Rick Ross, is tattooed on his hands. He's got money tattooed all over him and all kinds of other crazy shit. It's really interesting. And it just keeps coming out more and more that he gets busted with all this bullshit.

Yeah. More and more. They just did a story on him in the hurrow and was saying that he comes from a suburbial area. You know, he's not even from the hood. So, I mean, you know, it just doesn't end with this guy. And he's making records, though. Yeah.

You know, he's the first major artist to ever have to cancel a concert from Death Threats. You know what's really fucked up, though? I think he could have done everything he did with a different name. I really do. I really do. And some hard work.

Yeah. And some hard work. He did some hard work. It's not like he didn't do any hard work at all. He definitely put out those albums. He definitely does those shows. He's definitely hustling, right? Yeah.

So why the fuck did he have to try to do it under your name? It's like he showed just his grand weakness as a man. Who are you? It's one thing if you invent your name, like you want to be Jay-Z. Even Jay-Z, supposedly, there was a dude named Jazzo that was in his community that was like an older rapper that was really badass. So he's sort of like...

Damn, Joe. Is it Jet Magazine you're doing? How do you know? I know shit. I got my thumb on the pulse of a part of the hood. You know Joe connected, man. Joe is connected. I try to pay attention to shit, dude.

But, I mean, it's one thing to make your own name, you know, to call yourself 50 Cent or whatever. But if you take another man's name, you're dealing with a completely different thing. That's not, you didn't make up a name. You're a crazy person. Well, you know, the whole thing about being successful, I mean, when I came up, the whole thing about being successful was to be able to do it yourself. Right.

You know, not to where you come and somebody just come and they bless you with everything that you need and here you are, you know, somebody just come and they bless you with everything that you need and here you are, you know, you're successful now, but you didn't earn it. You don't know how you did it. Right. When I started, I wanted to make a name for myself.

And I felt that what he's doing right now, he's making a name for me. Yeah. You know, not for himself. He's helping you, trust me. With everybody else's help, people that this is all helping you i guarantee you it's way better than if this guy wasn't around if this guy wasn't around you got out of jail it's like well you know sort of life as usual and people are going to want to listen

to your story but now the story becomes uber crazy yeah it becomes really because it's not like you know there's there's a lot of dudes who like gangster rappers especially they'll they'll sort of have like a tribute name like to call themselves something Gambino. But they won't use the whole name. They won't say, I'm Al Capone. Come on. You can't say, you know. When you say, you're Rick Ross, he did that, I think, thinking you would never come out of jail.

Yeah, I don't think that they thought I would ever get out. And it was vacant. They felt it was a vacant house. Nobody's watching it. It's a vacant house. Move in. Yeah, because it was really like. A squatter.

Yeah. You know, he was a squatter. He squatted on my name. And it's also, your reality happened before the internet. The craziness of your, you know, you're selling drugs. You're, you know, basically being one of the biggest drug dealers the country has ever known. All that happened pre-internet. If it happened today, he would never be able to use that name.

Oh, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not. But, you know, I mean, it is what it is, Joe. Fascinating. He got it. You know what I'm saying? And now he has a name. And what I want right now is just for him to stop using it.

And then pay me a little of my dividends that you made from using my name. I'll tell you this. Kick back in. He's never going to stop using it. And he's. It's not that hard. Look at Buff Daddy and P. Didion. He tattooed it on his hands.

Why won't he stop? Well, he can get his tats covered up. They remove tats. But once you tattoo a man's name on your fucking hands, you got to fight that one out. He's in love. He's in love. He's in love with you for sure.

That has got to be crazy. Every time he jerks off, he sees your name on his hands. That's crazy. He's brushing his teeth. He sees your name on his hands. And he knows how you feel about it too. It's not like you're some dude who like living in Tibet and hiding in a village. He doesn't have to have contact with you.

No, I'm out there, you know, grinding. I believe, truly believe it's a gift. I really do. I think the whole thing is a gift. He's a ridiculous human being. Well, you know, you've been right so far. Everything you told me to do so far, you was right about it. I'm an idiot savant man Trust me on this

I think that Him being so ridiculous He's a preposterous human being He's obese He's covered in tattoos He's a fake rapper Who was at one point in time A corrections officer

For that guy to take your name It's glorious Yeah It's like you couldn't If anybody who investigated You couldn't ask for anything better. You couldn't ask for a better candidate. Because when they investigate it, they go, check this motherfucker out. And here's what's even better.

He's actually talented. So a lot of people are going to hear about him. So a lot of people are going to hear his name. A lot of people are going to hear the story. So he's a gift to you. He really is. This guy is the greatest PR representative you could have ever hired by far. No one could ever reach as many people and somehow or another get the seeds of your story as this guy pretending to be you.

Well, you know what? I got a guy, and he wants to meet you. Yeah? He may be able to reach more guys than that guy. Who? He's the world's greatest spammer. The world's greatest spammer? Yeah, his name is Bill Wagner. I don't think I want to be in the room with that guy. Who? He's the world's greatest spammer. The world's greatest spammer? Yeah, his name is Bill Wagner.

I don't think I want to be in the room with that dude. Yeah, what if you get in a fight with him? That would suck. He would spam the shit out of you. You'd never be able to get your email again. Oh, you know what? And he says that he does have like a little following. He doesn't know who they are, right?

But he says every time he goes on the show, if somebody calls in and badmouth him, well, these going get them oh really and send them like a thousand pizzas that's funny but bill wants to meet you man okay we'll hook it up all right definitely this this guy though what i'm going back to the the fake rick ross his him as a publicist like if you hired him to get your name and story out, do you know how much money it would cost just to get as much attention as it's got, the fact that he

stole your name, and the fact that so many people are talking about it. I mean, that's an incredible story that I would have to think millions of people have heard now. I didn't look at it like that. Millions of people have heard that story now. I'm more to the point to where you know the guy stole my name he didn't have the decency to come and say you know look man i borrowed your name i'm gonna give it back

i'm just trying to change the whole way you look at it because i really believe the universe gave you a gift you're looking at it like this dude came along and he victimized you and he fucked you over and he owes you. And I see that too. But I say the universe owes you a gift. It gave you a gift. And that gift is you got an idiot. You got a silly person pretending to be you who's super talented.

I mean, the guy's really that every day I'm hustling. That's a badass song. That's a badass song. Even if he stole your like the way you talk about shit. Like you said that that was like your quote every day. I'm hustling, right a badass song that's a badass song even if he stole your like the way you talk about shit like you said that that was like your quote every day i'm hustling right yeah yeah well i couldn't put it in a song anyway he the guy did a great job with it what i'm saying is that and so so many people will pay attention to him because how good he is you know he's a fucking talented guy yeah and then on top of that he's got your name tattooed on his hands and then it just spills out from there.

It's beautiful. He's like a Trojan horse. He'll get your story into neighborhoods where it would never ordinarily be. If people investigate him, all they have to do is Google the real Rick Ross. Boom. The story pops up within the first two or three paragraphs. And everybody's going to go, what? It becomes crazy

yeah i think it's a gift i mean uh when you look at it from that aspect i mean i guess you're right you can't lose you're not losing he can't stop you from using your name no your real name is fucking rick ross he can't say shit but there's a lot of circles that you know like say for instance i want to go to universal and get a record deal it's not gonna happen yeah that would be interesting if i want to go to warner brothers and get a record deal. It's not going to happen. Yeah, that would be interesting. If I want to go to Warner Brothers and get a record deal because he's already working with them. Yeah, what would they do? What if you were just undeniable

and you had a gigantic following? You were the baddest fucking rapper on earth, but your name was also Rick Ross. What the fuck would they do? What would they do? You got to change your name now? You need a stage name, Rick Ross. You can't be Rick Ross on stage.

Maybe I'll be William Roberts. William Roberts is the actual fake Rick Ross's name. That's what you should do. I should change my name to William Roberts. Yeah. And see if I can make that thing. Make that a Jack Daniels. William Roberts is kind of a badass name.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's nothing wrong with William Roberts. His dad thought it was pretty good. Yeah, it's a good name. That's a strong name, William Roberts. Yeah, it's a good name. That's a strong name. You know, William Roberts. There's nothing wrong with that name. You know, it's not.

Look, Henry Winkler lived his whole life as Henry Winkler. He turned out great. Henry Winkler can't fuck with that. William Roberts. William. That sounds gangster, too. Yeah, it does. William Roberts is strong.

It does. Sounds like a dude holding a glass of cognac with a pistol in his pocket. That's what I'm saying. Jack Daniels. Yeah. I'm fascinated by the most ridiculous aspects of our culture. Yeah. One of the most ridiculous aspects of our culture are fakers.

You know, people like, you know, whether it's a guy who pretends that he was a Navy SEAL who wasn't and he gets caught. I love reading that shit, man. There was a dude that was on this mixed martial arts forum. He was, like, one of the oldest guys to ever fight in an MMA fight. He fought in an MMA fight when he was, like, 60. Guy was crazy. Big, yoked-up dude at 60, too. But apparently he was a big, crazy liar, too.

And he, like, pretended to be, like, in the Special Forces and pretended to, like, have special forces and pretended to like have a bunch of kills in vietnam and meanwhile he like worked behind a desk somewhere like they found he was a total liar he just made up the story but he had a whole security company and everything i am fascinated by that shit yeah i'm fascinated i can't i i i when i find fakers fakers to me are they're they're perplexing well i think we're breeding a whole culture now of fakers I mean when you watch TV with the reality shows And it's just so much

And I think that could be bad for us For our kids For our kids to get that idea That you can fake it and be successful And really not be successful I mean it's kind of I don't know yeah we've we've given a whole generation of people the idea that you can become famous for having no qualities

yeah exactly nothing there's nothing there other than you know some people want to fuck you i guess you know like you what you you watch one of those kim kardashian shows and you you will shut that tv off and just stare at the wall for an hour going, what the fuck is going on here? What did I just watch? I just watched a dumb girl go shopping. I mean, this is the craziest shit ever that they made a TV show out of this. Yeah, they got some of the craziest stuff on TV now. And most of it's about faking.

The basketball wives. I think that's going to be a backlash, though. I think one of the things we're dealing with is, first of all, the fact that TV has really only been around for a couple generations. Television, the reality of it, when did it start? In the 50s? That's not enough time for us to really get a handle of what the fuck it's doing to our culture

and then do something about it. And whenever there's any sort of an opportunity to be opportunistic, to make some cash, theistic, to make some cash, the easiest way to make some cash is just put some stupid people on TV and make them do ridiculous shit so people go, what the fuck are they doing? But you're watching, dummy. And then they sell you Tide in the commercials.

Yeah. And you'll, you know. But they don't want smart people. They don't want smart people on TV. I don't believe that. I really think that it's just, it's not that they don't want smart people on TV. It's't believe that. I really think that it's just, it's not that they don't want smart people on TV. It's just that they want a lot of people to watch.

And it's lazy, but the easy way to get a lot of people to watch is just put ridiculous shit on, like Jersey Shore. Like, you know, just Real Housewives, where you know these bitches are going to scream and yell at each other over nothing. They talk about nonsense. Their minds are filled with air. There's nothing going on other than she said this and I said this and I was like,

fuck you, bitch. You don't even fucking know me. Don't fuck with me. What are you watching? You're watching moron squawk. You're not even watching a language. You're watching birds going, ah, ah, ah, ah.

That's what you're watching. You're watching the human equivalent to crows. They're nonsense people, but you can make money off them. You put them on TV if you're lazy. But do the people that are producing those shows, is that their true interest?

You know, no. I mean, in some ways it's kind of fun because it's like the fast food of television. You know, if you're sitting there eating lunch, you turn on the TV real quick and you watch two bitches yell at each other, you fucking know all my tits are real. You know, you watch that shit,

you'll laugh, you'll goof at it. But the problem is that it becomes a major part of our programming when it's X amount of percentage of all that's on television today. Absolutely, absolutely. And it affects us in ways that so many people don't really understand. I mean, even like with myself, when I look back at my life, I know that television, movies affected how I made my decisions because that became my reality. When you're young and you're impressionable, then you see something and you say, oh, man, that shit is real.

I'm going to try that myself and see if it works for me. guy William Roberts, the rapper that's using my name, Rick Ross, I believe that he's giving kids the wrong impression that you can go out and sell drugs and parlay that into a record career. And I believe this is going to have a tremendous backlash on our young people. That's also an issue with you, with this guy using your name. It's not a guy like Jay-Z that's using your name who's an excellent member of the community, a guy who's

a real good businessman, a guy who's very smart, doesn't say stupid shit in his raps. Knows Beyonce. Knows Beyonce. Gets to hit it. That's all I care about. You're looking at a guy who's a preposterous person. His whole persona is sort of really the polar opposite of everything that you have been speaking about since you got out of jail.

Well, what I learned. I mean, you know, I learned now that I was duped and that I was bamboozled into believing that I was one thing. And I could have been anything, you know. If somebody would have came to me like you did and gave me the t-shirt game, then I would have been selling t-shirts. Yeah. So I believe that what he's doing is, basically what he's doing is lacing the kids' boots

just like you did with me. But he's lacing them for negativity. And it's a bullshit story. His story's a bullshit story. Absolutely. It doesn't work. It's a fairy tale. Yeah, it's a fairy tale.

So I think that your story is also a very important story for people to listen to when there's a lot of folks that have that sort of nonsense, you got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality when it comes to certain aspects of our society, especially people that grow up in impoverished areas, people that grow up in the ghetto. There's this sort of, well, you got to fucking make it out on your own sort of mentality. I think that's a crazy way to look at raising children. I do too. I think it's insane.

I think there's only one way to raise children correctly, love, and someone who they can respect and someone who provides a good example. Absolutely. Someone who they can learn from. And if a kid is not around that, it's a free for all. Absolutely. You don't know where he's going to land. Right.

And they're being raised essentially by a bunch of people that grew up in the same exact environment. So there's no breaking that cycle. It's a cycle. And I think that's one of the biggest problems in our entire society. And I think that we spend all this time looking at things that can weaken America overseas when the number one most important commodity in our culture is us itself, human beings. Everything that's been built, everything that's been invented, everything that's been engineered,

everything that's on this earth that that's been engineered, everything that's on this earth that makes our life better is made by a human. That means a human invented that. That means all this potential that's in these impoverished communities gets ignored. All this potential of discovery, of curiosity, of creativity, all of it gets wasted in a world of crime and repeating cycles. And that, as a resource, no one looks at. No one in this country looks at that.

We look at, oh, we need oil. We got to go over here. We look at this. Our number one resource is human beings. I mean, when you look at resources, like what is important to us as humans? Other humans, man. Other humans have it set up so we don't have to go hunt some food. We can go to the store and buy a steak.

You don't even have to cook it. You go right next door. This place is badass. They'll cook it for you. They know what to do. They know the right seasonings. We've simplified the whole game of being a human being because we're important. Because so many of us get together and we provide the resources for each other and we have a system and it all works out well.

Well, you got to look at it in terms of where does that all come from? It all comes from children. It all comes from that's when you really have your shot. You really have your shot when you're growing and developing and learning things. So your story is a really, really important story to be told because you're finding yourself in a situation where you couldn't read and you're already out of high school. And you find yourself all of a sudden involved in this drug game. And that seems like the only prospect. You couldn't go to school for tennis because you didn't know how to read. You made it through a school system without knowing how to read and that's common that's that happens a lot a lot more than

people want to admit 65 of the guys in prison can't read that's fucking crazy yeah you that is fucking crazy you know someone posted something because i'm always talking about this about how many uh different prisons are privatized in this country and how many are actually privately owned institutions. That's the big business right now. It's somewhere around 8% to 10%, depending on who you ask, of all the prisons in this country are private prisons. And they're switching up. When I was in prison, they were trying out even the prisons that was owned by the federal government were starting to turn the prisons over to Wagon Hut.

Jesus Christ. It's really crazy the idea that you can put people in jail and you can make money from it. And that there's actually like a whole crop of people that are going to come out of this one area as long as you ignore it. Well, now they say that they can tell from a kid that's in the third grade if he's going to prison or not. What, is the psychologist saying this? That's what they're saying, yeah. That's ridiculous. You can't tell that.

You can pull that kid out of there and straighten him out. I mean, almost any kid can be raised correctly. It's just almost every kid can be fucked up if they're not raised correctly. Absolutely. I don't think that it matters really the kid. It's really the environment. If you leave a kid in an environment where there's crime, they'll start to adapt to the crime and think that crime is okay. I mean, because I had got to the point where I believed that that was the way of life. That's how everybody did it. Yeah, I think the environment that you grow up in is a huge factor on who you become. It's a huge, huge factor.

And like I said, one of the weakest areas of our country are the places with the most crime and the places with the most despair. And that's the places that also get the least attention. It's like we're a person that has like a pile of garbage in the corner of the house and we keep saying we're going to get to it but we just ignore it and walk around it instead of just fixing it instead of just fixing the situation if we put just a tenth of what we put into our military budget just one tenth to just settle the the inner down, provide guidance, put places in where people can stay if they have nowhere to go,

and educate people better. Just make it so there's profit in rebuilding cities the same way there's profit in rebuilding cities the way we bomb the fuck out of them. If we could just figure out how to do that. Well, see, man, you need to go up in the White House and help Obama out. Because I say take some of that money they're spending on the drug war. Yeah. You know, they spend like $60 billion a year fighting drugs.

Yeah. You know what the problem with stopping the drug war is? There's a whole lot of people fighting the drug war and they'll be out of work. That's going to be a real problem. Yeah. One of the things that keeps certain drugs illegal is the prison guards actually have lobbyists. Yeah. it keeps drugs certain drugs illegal as they you know the prison guards actually have lobbyists yeah they want to make sure that certain drug laws are there they stay in place because that keeps them in business absolutely which is crazy that someone would actually without having to be there and see the look in a person's eyes when they slam the cell on them when i'll actually

be there and experience their pain they're willing to make that decision because they're so far removed from it. It's just them talking to a lobbyist and writing something down, and they sign something and make an agreement and shake some hands. And then all of a sudden, boom, this cell somewhere down the line gets shut on a man, and a man loses his life. He loses the reality of the life that he lived because someone is making some money off of him being in jail.

And the children lose a father. Yeah, children lose a father. The wife loses a husband. Crazy. And for victimless crimes. And for something completely illogical like most drugs. When you look at most drugs and the harm that most drugs do, there's nothing compared to the harm that legal shit like alcohol does, which nobody's

trying to stop. I never heard a single politician say we need to stop people smoking cigarettes. I've never heard one. I'm just waiting for one person to stand up and say, do you know that there is a company that is selling poison that kills half a million people every year? Every year in this country, half a million people die because of that. This company that's selling poison that they know kills people, and they're making billions of dollars. Well, you know what? He's going to lose his contribution, so he can't say that. Yeah, they can't say it. They never will say it. But I mean, if a new company came along

that was just selling poison to kids, would it really be as bad as cigarettes? I mean, I don't want to compare cigarettes to meth because meth does a quicker job. I mean, I don't want to exaggerate the effect. But when you see a dude who's like 70 years old, been smoking cigarettes his whole life, he's doing this. And then he takes another drag and you go, whoa, they got that dude. Yeah. They got him. But then they're trying to get new ones because they always kill

their customers. Yeah. But they keep you around. They slow cook you. They're like a smoker. It's only 150 degrees. It's going to take a day to cook you. It takes a long time to kill you with cigarettes. It's not a quick thing. To me, it's amazing that no one ever brings it up. It never even gets

talked about. Well, somebody like you. We need people that's going to stand up and educate our people, man. I have too many skeletons in my closet. They need someone who listens to me that's got their fucking feet on the straight and narrow. Hey, I mean, nobody's perfect, though.

We all got our faults. Oh, I know we all have our faults, but my path is definitely not to be in any form of political office. It's not for me. I don't have that time. I don't want to listen to anybody. I don't want to have to do shit I don't want to do.

I don't want that responsibility. This system, too, I feel like jumping into this system is like just jumping into a tank full of sharks. It's like you don't know the rules. You don't know how these fucking crazy assholes have been operating. I would like to talk to Arnold. I would like to see, ask him, what the fuck was it like

to go from being Mr. Olympia to being a governor of California? You don't think he'd come here and sit down with you? He might. He might.

I bet I could get him maybe in a year. Like, maybe not right now. I'm sorry to get bigger examples. I'd have to find someone who, I actually do know someone who knows him. I'm starting to get bigger examples. I'd have to find someone. I actually do know someone who knows him.

Brian Callen did a movie with him. He said he was great. He said he was a great guy. He said he was hilarious, fun. And this is like after the scandal with his maid and everything. You know how many men get to have two wives living in the same house? Damn. Arnold, he's quite a character.

I would like to talk to him about what it was like to be a governor, whether it was what he thought it was going to be like. Because you look at that shit from the outside, you know, what the hell do you do once you get in there? How could you fix any of this stuff? Look at it, you're like, we don't have any money. Like, God damn. Like, the money for schools, the money for all these programs

that you want to initiate, there's really not that much resources. It's got to be really difficult. And then you've got all these people that are trying to steal. All these people are trying to get contracts. All of them are trying to steal. They're trying to steal from each other. You know, you've got to hide the money from this. I would love to get high with Obama.

That would be my favorite thing. If I had one thing, if you said, would you like to be able to fly through the air like Superman for three hours, fly wherever you want, or sit down, smoke weed with Obama for three hours, I will take the latter. I would smoke weed with Obama more than I would fly like Superman for three hours. And that's saying a lot. Because flying like Superman would be cool as fuck Yeah If you could do that Especially if you were high

And you flew like Superman Flying as Superwoman Would be better Flying as Superwoman Would be better Shut up Because you have boobs And a vagina

Shut up You always say this It's not true It's way better You'd be a chick And then you'd start crying For an hour You'd get your period

Halfway in the middle Of your flight No Stop I would love to talk Shut up I would love to talk to that dude and find out what it's like to actually be the president yeah i'd like to talk to him too tell him i got some homeboys in prison for non-violent offenses when you gonna let him out

do you think he would do it do you think he would ever sit down with someone like you and have a conversation he might be the only guy that's ever been president. That might not be politically correct to sit down with me, you know? Yeah, but he's what they call a lame duck. It's like he can't win again. Can you imagine the headlines? President Obama sits down with drug dealer. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, you've shown since you've got out that you've been trying to put people on a path different than the one that you've been on i think that's all you can ask for a man you can't ask for a man and not make mistakes we we ask for a man is to once he's made mistakes be honest about those mistakes and

try to help people to keep them from making the same mistakes themselves you've done that that's an exemplary member of society they still you know want to throw the drug dealer the drug dealer listen they don't appreciate that you were a bad motherfucker in an illegal business. Okay? That's what it is. They don't appreciate that. Bad motherfuckers in illegal business are still bad motherfuckers. You know, you just, you focused your energy.

And I didn't put a gun to nobody's head. You know, I've never walked up to nobody and say, look, motherfucker, you're going to smoke this here. Right. Get the pipe, pick the pipe up, put it on there, and smoke it right now while I'm watching. Do you think you would have been able to, I mean, it's really kind of, I hate to say this again, but it really kind of is a gift that you got stopped from continuing to sell drugs because there's no old drug dealers. There's no bold drug dealers and there's no old drug dealers. There's no bold drug dealers and there's no old drug dealers.

No. And there's certainly no old bold drug dealers. Right? You get to a certain point in time and somebody wants your spot or there's something going on or there's a lot of money involved. Shit goes down.

But you managed to avoid all of that. Well, I did 20 years though. You did and you learned how to write. Okay? And when you came out, look at you now. Look at you now. You're positive. You're happy. Every time I see you, you're smiling. You have a warm way about you. You're very personal with people.

I would never wish 20 years in prison on anybody. But you handled it about as good as a person can do. Yeah, well, you know, when I was there, I made up my mind that I wasn't going to let prison do me. Right. You know, a lot of guys, when they come near, they mope around,

they cry about being there. And what I said is that, you know what, I'm going to make the best of this because I'm going home. Even though I had a life sentence, I always had in the back of my mind that I was going to get out one day. And so I started preparing to do that because I knew nobody was going to hire me. You know, some told me, say, man, if you ever get out, the first thing they're going to say about you is you a drug dealer.

So you got to do something to where you can get in and you don't have to need anybody to approve you. You know, like so many guys, they get out, they have to go to people, you know, go to McDonald's for that application and hoping that they accept them. Well, I don't work like that. Right. I work to a way where nobody has to approve me but myself. Well, that's the way you would like to work. Yeah.

Everybody would like to be in that situation. But you demand that and that's what made you a bad motherfucker in an illegal business and that's what makes you a bad motherfucker in legal businesses that you focus yourself on yeah it's it's really um it's i think like for someone like obama or anyone to meet with you i think it's it's important to give people the the first of all to show people your story and second of all to let people know that when you make mistakes in life you can correct those and be better because of it and then have part of your contribution is explaining mistakes and and letting young kids that's important it's

very important you know i think it's very important that the people who've made mistakes come back and tell others well you know what if you go that way this is what's going to happen but a lot of people you know they they don't look at it that way. You know, like sometimes I want to go out and speak to kids. And one day I'm at a high school in L.A. And they call the news and tell them, hey, they got a drug dealer on the campus. And so the news crew, they shoot down to the school. And just as I'm walking out and they're like, where's the drug dealer? They said a drug dealer on campus and i said no it's an ex-drug dealer and uh they

said oh no we thought it was somebody else so so you know sensationalism they're just looking for for things to be exciting well you know negative news sales yeah you know they're not looking for anything positive uh they don't want to portray the positiveness in what I'm doing. And, you know, and I can deal with that because I'm not doing it for their approval. I'm doing it because this is what I like doing. And I think it's the right thing for me to do. I think it's the right thing for you to do, too. And I think that what you said about that, it's good for people to see these examples of people who've made mistakes and explained their mistakes. I think it's something that's missing in our world.

And I think that if there were more books written, instead of just about crime and glorifying crime, how about it written about dudes who did shit and wished they could take it back? How about talk to dudes who murdered their wife and like, God damn it, I love that girl. What the fuck was wrong with me? Once you settle down, you realize how crazy you were when you killed someone and then there's no there's very few books where people are honest about that about or if you let some of those guys in prison

you know i think that we should have a system where guys that are in prison in these maximum security prison get away to tell the kids what it's like, you know, sitting in a cell by yourself 23 hours a day or 24 hours a day. Well, I know they had that Scared Straight, you know, they had that Scared Straight program that they were doing with kids for a while. They made a lot of videos about that. Do you remember that? I remember that when I was growing up. I mean, something even more, because I don't know if that was real or not.

Right. It seemed a little theatrical, right? Yeah. I'm talking about something that's really, because a lot of those guys in prison, you know, even like the guy Larry Hoover, who the rapper rapped about. I think a guy like him, he's famous, and he would be great to reach out to the kids and tell the kids what it's like to live in the maximum,

you know, one of the most secure penitentiaries in the United States. I mean, because I'm even fascinated with what it's like in there. You know, I hear that they're locked down 23 hours a day. Their shower moves to their door, so, you know, you don't come out your cell to shower. Your mail comes over a screen. I mean, it's like trouble trouble you don't have any human contact wow so everyone's essentially in solitary yep and then one hour a day you you are you allowed to mingle with people well you're allowed to go out in the sun and is there other people out there

as well i don't think so so you go out in the sun by yourself right what in a little box i think it's a little box you know what word little box where the sun can shine down, probably through a window or something. They let you play handball or something like that. Oh, my God. But I hear it's an awful thing. We got guys there that should be able to tell their stories. Yeah, that's a crazy life.

The world changes. Not the way I had planned on living my life. And, you know, I was close to living like that. Yeah. You know, I missed that by really just a few decisions. You know, I made a few of the right decisions, you know, at the right time. And it spared me from being in that position because I could have made, you know, some decisions that could have landed me there. Yeah.

You know, it was times that other people were suggesting, oh, do this here, do this here. Something violent. Something violent. Somebody had run off with some money, and my guys, man, let's teach him a lesson. And something just told me, no, that ain't the way to go. Well, it's very intelligent that you did that.

I think your story, like I said, is very important for young people. And that ain't the way to go. Well, it's very intelligent that you did that. I think your story, like I said, is very important for young people. I remember very clearly how stupid I was when I was 13 or 14. I would think about the future and where I would be. And I really remember I could have made a million dumb decisions when I was that age. a million dumb decisions when I was that age. And I think every time you as a young man get to see the example of people who've made mistakes and corrected them or went the wrong way in life and then rewrote their path later in life and became successful, I think those are really important for young people to shape their vision of the world, to understand that there's going to be decisions that you're

going to have to make. And part of the learning process is making the wrong decision. Absolutely. Well, you know, one time I read a book about a guy and he was saying that people think that he's smart. And he said that he don't think he's smart. He just made a lot of bad decisions. And by making so many bad bad decisions he made a few correct ones yeah that that is a weird thing where we want people to have never made any bad decisions we want you to only be correct all the time yeah and and you have to develop you know one of the things that that that that um that i've been telling the young people i'm working with right now you know i got a young artist that i'm that i'm working with right now c You know, I got a young artist that I'm working with right now, C. Carter.

Shout out to C. Carter. Y'all check out at IamCCarter on Twitter. Are you managing? I'm managing. You're managing? She dope, too. C. Carter, like the letter C? Yeah.

And then another C, A-R-T-E-R? Yep. C. Carter. And one of the main things that I'm trying to get her to understand, and she has a remarkable story, too, when people investigate her and find out where she comes from. And she was telling me she's never had anybody like me to give her the advice that I'm giving her. And one of the things that I tell her is that you must continue to develop. And in order to develop, you have to try new things.

And when you try new things, you're going to make some mistakes. As long as you don't make mistakes that's going to send you to prison or kill you you good yeah as long as you make the mistakes that you're just taking chances you're not doing something fucked up exactly yeah there's a lot of mistakes that are most important things that you're ever going to do in your life some of the failures that i've had over the years have been like the motivating factors for success times a million like if i had done well instead of just failed miserably maybe i wouldn't have gotten so excited about picking up the pieces and getting my shit together again you know i think that some of the the biggest fuck-ups i've ever had are like the most motivating factors in my life yeah you know i think people need to hear that man Well definitely for mine You know

One of the biggest mistakes I made Was to get involved with selling cocaine Yeah You know But it's been one of the Probably the most educational things In my whole life You know

I spent In the whole game I spent about 28 years You know Selling it for 8 And then the 20 years I did in prison So It was a big chunk of my life

That I spent In that game. But I learned so much from that that, man, I couldn't, I wouldn't give it back for nothing. It's a fascinating thing, isn't it? It's just the life that you think you're going to live when you're a kid watching TV shows, and then the actual life that you've lived after all these years. Yeah. It gets very strange, doesn't it?

It does, it does, it does. Now, I know you're in the middle of some sort of a court case with this dude who's stealing your name. Where does it stand right now? We have a trial date right now against Warner Brothers. We go to trial August the 27th. Just come from court for that right now. Yeah.

Can't talk about it right uh but you know i'm not gonna give up you know no matter what they do you know they throw all these lawyers at me you know have they tried to give you like a settlement or has anybody tried to would you ever license your name if you won like like hey hey, I get 30% of everything you do. I don't want to, you know. Right. But at the same time, you know, I'm really tired of dealing with this issue, you know. Maybe you could license it openly on the internet and a lot of people can become Rick Ross. Oh, yeah.

That would be funny. Make it a website. Be Rick Ross.com. You would flood the internet with Rick Rosses. If you did it like as a PayPal thing where it's only five bucks and for five bucks you could use. Be Rick Ross. Flood the internet with Rick Rosses. If you did it as a PayPal thing where it's only five bucks, and for five bucks you could use the name Rick Ross. So all these people's websites are like the newest of the new Rick Ross. And obvious white dudes with red hair pretending to be the newest Rick Ross because they licensed that for five bucks.

And then that shit becomes a joke. And then he becomes a ridiculous person. You know, I might try that, man. And he'd probably make a lot of fucking money. And by the way, the other people, how long are they going to keep using that name? Like a week? It's going to fuck around. You don't think nobody might adopt it forever?

A lot of people would. You know what? And tattoo it on them or something? Yeah, probably. At least one dude would tattoo it on them. me at least one dude at least one dude would tattoo it on him did you see that crazy girl who met a dude for 24 hours and then had him tattoo his name on her face yes that was the most horrific thing i've ever seen in my life let me find the pull up the picture when you can it's it's unbelievable i guess it was in russia or something like that yeah her whole face was this

dude's name like her the whole side of her face. He tattooed in giant black letters his name. Wow. Yeah. Whoa. I might try that $5 thing though. That sounds like an idea. It's not a bad idea. It won't cost me anything. License the use of the name Rick Ross it'll cost you $5. The only problem with that is then it sets a precedent and then

the Rick Ross rapper goes well I'll give you $5. Shit. Alright look at this. Look at this horrific tattoo this girl got. On the left and the right side of her face. That's unbelievable, man. She was dead there. It's like a car accident on her face. This guy just tattooed his name across her face.

And this photo looks like she was a pretty girl. Oh, she was beautiful. They had a picture of her before the tattoo. It's crazy. What was she thinking about? I don't know. She's nuts. And look at the guy. Look at the guy. He's crazy. What was she thinking about? I don't know. She's nuts. And look at the guy.

Look at the guy. He's got tattoos all over his face, too. Oh, look at her. She was really pretty before that. Scroll back up again. This guy is a jerk for letting her do that. He looks like a baby. Letting her.

Dude, he did it to her. He's a jerk. He tattooed her. What a jerk. He's not a nice guy. Wow. It makes me mad. The world's world's fucked man there's at least one dude who will tattoo your name on on their knuckles we better not try that though we better not try

that yeah let's not try that until after the settlement after the settlement after rick inevitably he's gonna have to pay you he's inevitably gonna have to pay you but when he pays you what does he do does he become rosé does he change his name and just become rosé and that's his new he uses he's sort of got like a escape identity right he's sort of got a bit of an escape identity with that other name right yeah yeah yeah he came up with that uh to offset it's not a bad move he should really commit to that i think he should commit to his to his real name i mean you know make your dad proud of him. Is his dad still around? Your dad come to a concert, that's my son up there.

If he's built like his dad, his dad probably ain't around. I would change my name to R2. R2-D2? No, just R2. R2, Rick Ross 2? Just R2, yeah. R2-D2. That's kind of hip.

R-R-Dose? The whole thing's a mess, man. Is it surreal to you? I mean, how does it feel like to to have a guy that you see on the cover of rolling stone magazine you see your name on it and you're just like what is the what well you know what it it kind of lets me know that i did accomplish something in life right i mean you know when people start naming themselves after you, you know you came, right? You did it. So it's such a fascinating way because you did it. First of all, you avoided violence.

And then you got out and then learned how to read, went through jail and everything. And then you came out and you're like this peaceful person. It's like you managed to avoid like a lot of the negative karma and negative repercussions of that situation. But you also managed to keep that that name i mean you you are rick ross you're the real rick ross i heard about you before you went to jail i heard about you in the news yeah yeah fuck yeah yeah a long time ago i think i was in well you know what i used to believe when i was in the drug business i believed i was under the radar i didn't think people knew about me right because

i used to use fake names yeah you know to hide myself you know when i go around people who didn't know me you know all my friends would call me hey charlie hey joe uh all the time different names yeah yeah yeah yeah you know because you don't want nobody knowing your name because if somebody knows your name now they can tell the cops hey right that guy's the guy that's the guy right there rick ross so right you know we would go to clubs and stuff like that people would call me knows your name now they can tell the cops hey right that guy's the guy that's the guy right there rick ross so right you know we would go to clubs and stuff like that people would call me anything but rick ross you know now when you found out when you i guess you said you were in jail when you found out about the whole connection to the iran contra scandal yeah how did you find that

out well for the folks who don't know, just give them the real quick rundown of what it was. My lawyer calls me when, I mean, I call my lawyer one day and we're talking about my case and he tells me, he says, man, this reporter calls me and says he got some stuff for us,

but he's not going to give us what he got and we give him what we got. You want to talk to him? I'm looking at a life sentence, so I'm like, man, I ain't got nothing to lose. Tell him to come on down. What are you going to do? He can't do no more than already done. So he comes down, we start talking, and he's telling me about, oh, man,

this thing is bigger than you, and you don't know what you was into. And then all of a sudden, I'm thinking like, wow. Because I just went through the thing with the crooked cops, you know, with the L.A. Sheriff that was planting the drugs and stealing the money and had the houses, you know, in Arizona on the river and whatnot, right? So I'm saying, bigger? Well, maybe these might be DEA agents. And it's crooked, right?

So I don't know. So then all of a sudden we go to trial. We start trial. And then he doesn't give us the information. But what he does is he start to ask questions through my lawyer. And then he starts to talk about Ronald Reagan and Enrique Ramirez and the Nicaraguan Contras. And I'm like, the Nicaraguan Contras. So I'm like, the Nicaraguan Contras? What's going on? So I go back to my cell. I start studying.

What was the Contras? You know, who is Enrique Ramirez and the whole nine yards? He still doesn't tell me. I don't find out the whole scoop until his newspaper dropped. When his newspaper dropped in the San Jose Mercury News, I'm on the front cover. drop in the San Jose Mercury News, I'm on the front cover. And it says that the CIA-backed army was selling drugs to me, which they was. I knew Blandone, but I didn't know he was working with the CIA.

I mean, like, damn, the guy I'm working with, you should have told me. We could have really got it in, right? So that's when I first found out. That was my first. And a lot of people, you know, they don't believe me when I first found out. That was my first. And a lot of people, you know, they don't believe me when I tell them that I had no knowledge. But I had absolutely no knowledge that he was a CIA operative. It's crazy that the people that busted you were not aware of your whole situation. They were not aware of who you were making money for.

No. Well. So that just shows you how much chaos is in that whole world of black ops. You know, that drug business, man, it's so big. And I'm not just saying from the street level, but for DEA. I watched a documentary about two weeks ago. I spoke at a church in Compton. I spoke at a church in Compton, and they had some cops on there and were saying that these cops wouldn't investigate homicides because you would get a better promotion by investigating drugs.

If you want to go and be the captain of the station, you don't go to homicide. If you want homicide, you want to switch to drug enforcement because that's where they were given all the promotions. To tie up that story for the folks who don't know the story or listening to this for the first time, what he was saying was that while he was selling drugs, the money that he was earning selling the drugs, the drugs were actually coming from the CIA, which was using that money to fund the Contra Army. Right, correct.

Against the Sandinistas. That was backed by Reagan, Oliver North. Yeah, Reagan, Oliver North, all that stuff that was on trial, the Iran-Contra trials, the Oliver North trials. You know they say Oliver North might be coming out speaking now. Really? That's who you should get on the show. Really?

Speaking about what? What, is he going to tell the truth about everything? He's going to come clean. One of the guys told me that he's doing a documentary, and one of the producers was saying that he's interested in having me in his documentary. Oh, my God. So you already know it. I'm going to tell him.

Yeah. Yeah, you're going to be in it. How do you not sit down and tell your story to that guy? That's a fascinating situation. Yeah, so, I mean, that would be the last link. So he was the guy that, he was a big part of the organization of the whole thing, right? Well, he was the guy that dealt with the White House. You know, it stopped at Oliver North.

Wow. You know, it didn't go to Bush and Reagan. Oliver North stopped it at him. I used to have an Ollie North for President t-shirt. I didn't even know the story. I was like fucking 16 or something. I thought he was a bad motherfucker. I mean, he was trying to say the country yeah the idea behind it though is fascinating the way they chose to do it it just shows you that that is that the most ridiculous

conspiracy theory you could ever come up with the cia is selling drugs in the ghetto and then they're using that money to fund illegal wars. But you know what's crazy? How do I keep getting mixed up in these type of situations, right? I got the craziest rapper in the world. Right. You've got an interesting life, my friend. Take my name. Yeah.

And then I was involved with Oliver North. Yeah. I mean, that is one of the craziest drug stories ever, and the fact that you got out of it completely unscathed. I mean, how many dudes are even still alive that you were in business with 20 years a lot of my friends are dead must be right a lot of friends are dead a lot of still in prison with life sentences wow um and you know one of my goals is to to change those laws and bring those guys home because you know i don't think a guy should do 30 years he didn't kill anybody yeah i agree with you 100

and and more so i think that we need to reevaluate what's legal and illegal in this country because we got a we have a corrupt series of politicians that have been bought off and have put a bunch of laws in place and have allowed people to sell all kinds of shit that kills people all the time and people voted to let make marijuana legal and they still won't yeah they voted to make it medically legal it's even the legal the legality of it statewide in colorado and washington state has come to question federally you know that i mean there's a bunch of gangsters around this country and they're not nice people and a lot of the shit they're doing is stupid and it's

unnecessary and you know we want a government we want a police. We want a police force. We want a fire department. We want a president. We want all that shit. We just don't want the corruption that comes with it almost inevitably. And it's unfortunate, but your story is a perfect example of how fucked the whole system is. The fact that the CIA was absolutely selling drugs. Right? I mean, they were selling it through you.

You're the guy. Well, I can't say that they wasn't actually selling it themselves. Right. It was their operatives that were selling it. So these guys, they made it very clear, well, this guy wasn't an agent. We're not working for the CIA. Yeah, he wasn't an agent. Well, that's how they're making. We're not working for the CIA. Yeah, he wasn't an agent. Well, that's how they're making money.

He was just on our payroll. Yeah. See, there's a difference, I guess. You can be on the payroll. You can get a check from the CIA, but you're not a CIA agent. Yeah. He's not CIA. He's just CIA.

It's a fucked up world. I had hoped that when Obama got in that he represented something different. And maybe he does. Maybe it's just so hard to change that it takes a long fucking time to turn anything around. Oh, microphone was fell. It takes a long fucking time to turn anything around. But it's just disappointing. I want to find out if he's going to do anything for the hood.

Yeah, well, now's the time, right? He got reelected. Exactly. And they voted him in. You know, the hood came out. The hood don't vote, right? He got reelected. Exactly. And they voted him in. You know, the hood came out. The hood don't vote, right? Yeah. But they came out for Obama.

Yeah, twice. Yeah. So, you know, we're hoping that he'll, you know, take this time and do something, put some programs in the hood. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, one-tenth of what's used to blow up other countries could change everything radically. We could have an incredible nation. If we started focusing

our resources on putting money... We spend so much money in rehabilitating cities after we invade them. How much money do we spend in Iraq? How much money has Halliburton made? How much money did they make rebuilding shit?

I don't know. Hookers? Bullets? Gasoline? Okay. Yeah. A lot of shit, man. Listen, I got to wrap this up, but thank you very much for coming by again.

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