The Joe Rogan Experience - #327 - Dana White

Episode Date: February 21, 2013

Dana White is a businessman, entrepreneur, and the president of the UFC.

The Joe Rogan Experience about california southern california los angeles in particular it's a fucking mess the highway is the most ridiculous shit you've ever seen in your life it's been ridiculous ever since i moved here i moved here in 94 but it's gotten steadily and steadily more ridiculous to the point where it's it it doesn't make any sense it's like you can't fix this This is just way too many people for that amount of road. And Anaheim is like on one side of LA than we're on, and it's rush hour. And I don't even know. He's not going to be here for hours. He's been in the car already for an hour and 40 minutes. He called me at 5.08.

It's 6.40 now. So he's almost an hour and 40 minutes. Yeah, you're fucked. When you're trying to get anywhere especially down to orange county jesus christ that drive is insane those poor people that live in orange county and then work in la and do that every day i know somebody that does san diego every day no you don't yes i do who the fuck is that what's wrong with people now okay what's wrong with him why doesn't he get a place here or there? I think he does.

I think he works down in San Diego. Well, I guess you got to do what you got to do. But that's two and a half hours each way, right? That's five hours of driving a day. How's your car not going to explode? Or your anger. Yeah, you could go crazy. I do Kevin and Bean once every four months, right? And every time I do it, I'm amazed.

I left my house at 6am and I was in bumper to bumper traffic at 6am. I was like, you've got to be fucking shitting me. You are just asking for people to go crazy, you know? And people who don't see that, like fellow comedians who don't get up in the morning like you could you could be unaware of the dangers of your environment whereas if you were in that pressure cooker every day driving around every day in that insane stressful situation just insane levels of stress day in day out chinese water torture monotonous fucking brake lights and gas fumes until you're ready to just go fucking crazy and just drive your car off the side of the 405 yeah fuck that how many people out there are like

that dude from um falling down michael douglas yeah remember that shit i don't know a lot of people they really identified with that movie yeah i think there's a lot of people with huge anger problems i don't say the person's name, but this guy last night I was talking to, the rage in him. I was just like, holy cow, you have a built-up anger. I have built-up anger, but my anger is always just like, that guy, I fucking hate him. But not to the point where I'm like, I will kill him. He is my last. Well, usually when you find misplaced anger, you also find a life that's a wreck.

Yeah. Like almost always. Like if the anger doesn't match the actual situation, it's like they're using that situation as a focus because focusing on their own life is just too fucked up. It's too confusing. There's too much failure and bullshit in there. It's like why do that? Let's get mad at him. And then all of a sudden that person becomes the issue instead of their own fucked up psychological disorder slash personality.

You know, that's usually whenever whenever something's imbalanced, the imbalanced amount of hate that someone will show towards you. That's that's because they're not looking at that own self. So take a look at your own self, son. Don't be getting mad at external sources you got some bitch-ass genetics you got something fucking with you i need to get that mirror and have a sit down in front of it this alissa lamb thing is that's her name the woman in the elevator don't don't show that video man because it bums me out it's scary right it's not scary it's creepy if you want to know what it is folks the the video is that girl if you haven't heard of her she was from where was she from canada hoover yeah vancouver i think she was from canada and she was uh in los angeles apparently by

herself and someone killed her did they ever say what she was here for like was she just visiting or was she just like? No. Well, you know what? They didn't even say someone killed her. They said they found her body in a water cistern. But, I mean, who knows? Maybe she fucking climbed inside of it.

Maybe we're jumping to conclusions and maybe she was crazy. Yeah. I don't know. You know, we don't really know. But it's very sad. It's very unfortunate. And the elevator video is weird because not only is, like, the elevator not working and it looks like she's hiding from somebody, but then she starts doing this weird trippy arm thing that looks like she's either on drugs or she's possessed by the devil or something.

Yeah, that's what's fucked up about it. It's like a Guillermo del Toro movie. It's like you're watching Paranormal Activities. Not that that's a Guillermo del Toro movie, but I just saw that Mama movie. So that shit's on my head. The Mama? Mama, the Guillermo del Toro horror movie? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's fucking scary.

It's legit scary. Guillermo del Toro's a bad motherfucker. You ever see Pan's Labyrinth? Yes, that's a great movie. Yeah, it's wicked. He's very original. Very original and very interesting but um that uh that movie if you if you look at this elevator video footage

you it easily could be something from a movie could you imagine if someone faked a fucking murder yeah this whole thing was a a advertisement for the next paranormal yeah if like cnn was in bed with paranormal activities and they they it's coming to that already it almost is that mermaid thing that they did on tv where they pretended they they actually had fucking real mermaids they made a documentary that was a fake documentary they made it with actors playing a part and at the end they had this like special effects mermaid thing and you're like wait a minute what and it's so obviously fake that like apparently you watch the i didn't even watch it you watch the whole thing thinking like a lot of people thought it was like people were saying

they were really mermaids like that somebody was actually believing they were really mermaids and so people were tuning into it going what the fuck there's mermaids and this is like i think it was on the history channel what yeah let me find out what mermaid special hold on we'll network hold on a second i need to find out what would it because i'm talking a lot of shit i might defame the history channel but uh it was on one of those things man mermaids video animal planet it was on animal planet that's even crazier okay it's fucking – it's the most ridiculous shit of all time. Like they pretend that there was a body found, that mermaids had been attacked by a giant shark. Like they literally – the Animal Planet made like a fake movie.

They made – they blurred the lines. They went gonzo on us. They blurred the lines between journalism, between documentaries, and total fiction. Like, they created, like, used special effects and shit. So, like, anybody watching Animal Planet, you're assuming you're getting reality. The worst case scenario is Cesar Millan's going to pretend a dog's more fucked up

than he really is, you know? You're not going to get a guy who's showing you fucking fake mermaid footage. Is he still doing the dog whisperer? I don't know. Because, I can't talk about that, but I know something crazy about that guy that is not really public knowledge,

but about one of his dogs. What about one of his dogs? I don't know. I heard from somebody that he has a pit bull that's on his show. That's all the time. You know, like it's like his number one dog and his pit,

he always, he always is trying to tell people like, you know, pit bulls, you know, I rescued this pit bull. This pit bull is now look, it's great around children and stuff like that.

And I heard that that pit bull ended up eating his, one of his smaller dogs some time ago. Very common. Yeah. Very common. Pull up this Mermaids the Body Found video and prepare to shit your pants. Okay, because this is some crazy Avatar stuff. I'm watching this now.

It is so ridiculous that this was actually on Animal Planet. And it's a whale attacks, or a shark attacks a whale in front of this mermaid. I mean, this is the nuttiest fucking thing you've ever seen. It looks so unbelievably fake. Oh, that's super fake. It looks so unbelievably fake. This?

Yes, yes. That's not real. Dude, of course it's not real. Look up. Go to the Animal Planet website, animal.discovery.com. Look up Mermaids, the body found. It's a video on the Animal Planet. Yeah, that's it.

Look at this ridiculous shit that they were showing on Animal Planet. How many hillbillies are sitting at home watching this going, I'm telling you, it is Animal Planet. We are watching Animal Planet. We are watching a fucking mermaid. It's a real fucking mermaid. Where's the video? Play the video. It's your internet.

I've got it right here. I'm running it. That's probably why. It's so dumb, dude. It's so dumb. It hurts my brain. It looks so fake. Here, I'll stop it so maybe you'll be able to get it.

Our internet here is so whack. But only for a few more days. It's going to be fixed in a week. Is this one of those things, though? Because I know, like, you know, like... Here, I'll kill mine. The Animal Planet does have reenactments a lot. Yeah, I killed mine and now yours works.

Yeah. I wonder if and now yours works. I wonder if it restricts IPs. I wonder if my cable is that whack. But is it just a reenactment? Is that all this is? No, it's CGI. No, are they saying this is real footage? They're not saying shit.

They're just showing it to you. But they're showing it to you on Animal Planet. So you're watching this and you're going, whoa, okay. So watch this this here we go north america what are you doing there fella why'd you press zoom in then you fuck it was fucked up so okay you're looking at this right and you're going okay um what am i seeing here is that a person you're like what is this this looks like real water okay what the fuck is this it's a fake fucking mermaid

before they make an open water crossing look at this shit you're watching this you know what has him down into dark water are feeding grounds it's kind of cool though yeah oh my god they really do have mermaids they're here is this just trying to teach you about the ocean as if mermans are oh no see this is the big whale shark that preys on them. Sharp fucks up this whale. And look at the mermaid all freaked out and avatar like the crazy x-ray eyes. A shark as big as a whale. A shark that ate whales.

God damn Megalodon. A shark that ate whales. But look at that stupid-looking fake mermaid. This is on animal planet. So it's just using the merman to teach you about stuff. And he's just swimming around like, look, this is what a shark looks like if it eats a whale. Let's learn something else today. Yeah, I guess. I mean, that is exactly what it is.

I don't know what they're trying to do. They're saying, well, if mermaids exist, this is what they'd be like. So we made a documentary where we pretended that they were real. And we incorporated them into a regular world. So at one point in time, they were mermaids. So they're saying megalodon. So I guess what they're saying is, let's pretend that back when Megalodon was real, there were also dolphins. See, you know what the problem is, man?

The fossil record is kind of tricky because everything doesn't leave a fossil. So they could pretend that there were some fucking mermaids because it's not like we combed every inch of the ocean looking for fish bones that also have people faces. We haven't really been looking for that shit So they came up with this stupid thing. Yeah That's a good answer. Yeah. Yeah, like I don't know what they were thinking when they put that together Yeah, there's an article in snoops about it snow snow snoops Snoop I think snoop sounds better than snow. It's like I've been snooping around and I found out the answers wrong Yeah, nope. It's like I'm in snoops. Yeah, what is Snopes mean? I know maybe I'm right. Maybe it's snoops

I don't think it's a person who spelled it. How would they misspell it? What's wrong with you guys an idiot? silly bitch That that mermaid thing is so stupid. Look I told you about this the rich guy that I know that has a he's a merman He's trying he has a trident. He actually has a trident and his wife is a mermaid and they have a fucking – a whole – like their wall, they have a monstrous house, OK? This guy is like a multibillionaire and they have this monstrous house where like one side, like the entryway, like as you enter into the house, there's a mural. That's so funny. Yeah, he owns like some big companies man like hair care products or some shit that's hilarious

he's a baller though like an old school old old time baller painting himself on the wall as a greek god my uncle my uncle and my aunt they have they're so like uh proper like they're very their whole house is really decorated nice and everything, and they both have real jobs. He's an accountant or something like that. But yet he has this taste for really creepy artwork. You go into each room, and it's just a woman with a big bush hanging out, like a painting, a really beautiful painting. But then in their kitchen, they have another painting where a woman's just sitting there with her butthole exposed and it's just like as a kid as a kid i was always like what the fuck is this like my mom couldn't say like cover your eyes because every single room was that and then you go to the

bathroom and i remember being like a like 10 year old or not even that maybe 11 year old and like going to the bathroom and his magazines next to the toilet were all Playboys. I'm like, so I would go to the bathroom like 15 times a day and they just had it open. It was awesome. He was a freak. The dude was a freak. And it's always those accountant types. They're all butting down shit and then they get home and they're just staring at buttholes.

Look, it's art. It's art. You can do anything. It's like calling it art. As long as you make it kind of crafty, make it shiny and slippery and black and white and weird. You can have a butthole. It doesn't matter. It's still a butthole.

If you're looking to beat off, it's right there. Have you ever seen Dr. Kevorkian's art? Uh-uh. Pull that up because that's when I turned a corner on Dr. Kevorkian. I thought like Dr. Kevorkian. I said, well, you know what? This guy is very noble and what he's doing is uh you know he's helping people that are terminally ill and they're in constant pain and he's uh he's giving them a noble way out and i think you know fuck

the government for going after this guy and then i saw some of those paintings and i was like okay this guy is fucked up man this guy is fucked up kevorkian did some like dark shit look at that picture oh look at that picture he's got a guy who has no head okay and he's got his head is on the table in a plate with an apple in its mouth like a pig you know pig has an apple's mouth so he's holding up a fork and a knife while he's got no head and then behind him is like back it up so everybody could see it behind him looks like some aztec warrior or something like that it looks like yeah like it's like a roman yeah it's like a roman or you know i guess it's supposed to represent that someone did something horrendous to this person is now

propping them up in jest or something i don't't know. This is a World War II helmet, which is weird because this is like, you know, obviously from a different era. Yeah, it's a different era. There's bullets in this one. There's like little bombs here. And then it looks like a bunch of crosses and Jewish stars maybe. It's very weird. Jay Stars.

He had a lot of very weird stuff. And you just look at that and you go, okay. Like are you enjoying killing these people? You know, like, pull that one next to the skull. You see the one next to the skull? This one right here? The one to the left of that. The one in the middle, yeah.

Way to easy to see that. What's this? Like, what is this guy saying? What the fuck is this guy saying? Brotherhood. Yeah, he's got, like like a vampire in the center. It's a black guy. He's like, get out of here.

And there's like a guy who's wearing a suit. And the neck of the suit is a vampire, an evil vampire. I mean, it's like a DMT trip. Yeah. It's really weird. Wow, look at this. It's like. Some of it is kind of cool.

You know, like the skull one in the middle doesn't really freak me out. I go, okay. Well, the guy dealt with death. I mean that is an accurate representation of a skull and some bones. Nothing wrong with that. But the guy eating his own fucking head. You don't want to – Like what is –

Okay. What is the one to the far right above there? This one? What's the one that looks like right above there? This one? What's the one that looks like an old man that's naked? See the one... Oh, shit. The one, yeah, up in the top. Next to that one.

This one. Yeah, what is that? Oh. Jesus Christ. What is that? Whoops. I got that one. Oh, it's going to show.

Yeah. What is this? He's, like, showing someone dying. It's called fever. Oh, Jesus. Oh, it's gonna show yeah what is this he's like showing someone dying it's called fever oh jesus fever for the flavor of a pringles beaver for some naked but yeah what is that he's got a guy with holding an arm and his body's breaking apart he's holding his own arm his body's breaking apart on him. Wow. Yeah, I don't remember if that's one of the ones that I thought was really dark. Like what's going on with that guy? Look at this.

Santa Claus is stepping on a baby. Is that the scarecrow? Yeah, Santa Claus is stepping on what? Is that a pig? Oh, no, that's the baby Jesus. No, what is that? No, it's baby Jesus. It is a baby. Jesus Christ.

It is baby Jesus Christ. Okay. What the fuck? This guy really did draw. That is a baby. It's baby Jesus. It is a baby. Jesus Christ. It is baby Jesus Christ. Okay. What the fuck? This guy really did draw. That is a baby. It's baby Jesus. He drew Santa Claus's boot coming out of a chimney squashing a baby. First of all, who the fuck puts a baby in a fireplace?

That's a manor. That's baby Jesus' manor. But it's a fireplace. No. A manger. Wasn't baby Jesus Jewish? Why don't you let us see the whole picture make it a full screen because the resolution no the resolution's not good enough that image what is that thing to the

left is that a scarecrow yo you can't draw boots stepping on babies you fucking weirdo why are you drawing that man here's the rest of the wise men up here going where'd that baby go so it's a combination of santa claus and the wizard of oz like that's a zombie what is that is that a party hat on that motherfucker what is that it's a dunce hat is it a dunce hat yeah he was weird man he was a weird fuck the guy's got a leaf over his dick, though. Good play. Good play, Jack. Nobody wants to see a dying guy's dick. You could step on a baby. That's all well and good, but put a leaf over his penis. Like, what is he trying to say?

Santa Claus is killing religion. When I saw some of that, that's when I sort of turned a corner on that cat. I was like, wow, maybe there's more to this story than meets the eye. Maybe, you know, I was like, well, maybe this guy met somebody, and it probably was that that that saw somebody who desperately needed help but maybe i'll start drawing it a little bit right you know looks like he might have had a uh a taste for the macabre yeah yeah i mean you pretty much draw what you like yeah that's what you drew you

always used to draw monsters and stuff i used used to draw boobs and eyeballs. Yeah, but the difference is I wasn't killing people while I was doing it. You know? I mean I guess the guy has every right to express himself like that, but I was doing it because I loved monster movies and I was 14. This guy is 80 and he's a doctor who kills people and he's painting people with no heads. I mean I guess you could do whatever you want. It's just art right i mean what kind of a hypocrite would i be to say that there's any difference between what he's doing and what guillermo del toro is doing he's just creating art this is his own art you know i don't think guillermo del toro really believes this is some fucking dead lady who lives in a cabin

who kills you and raises your babies there's this really awesome artist that just got turned on to named soey milk and look at this this is just a painting she did the other day but look how crazy it is it looks so realistic like when people can paint i can't get it bigger oh right here but like it's like her face it's hard to get a close-up on these twitter photos but let's see but uh check it out on twitter well how do you know this person? I just got turned on to her art. So you don't know, you just know of her art?

I can't really tell anything. Okay, looks like good stuff. I see titties. I see titties. Oh, that's it. Titties, that's what it was. I see titties. I see your girl's bottle. It was titties.

That's what it was. I see your girl's butthole. Yeah. It was titties. That's what it was. Titties. I seen your girl's butthole. No, I said something on the internet. Remember? Because it had something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was part of it.

That was eventually. Titties. Titties. I can see your girlfriend's butthole. I seen your girl's butthole. On the internet. Yeah. It was like you would show us tits all the time.

Yeah. So he would get pictures. He was dating this girl that was like you would you would show off us tits all the time. Yeah, so like you would like he would get pictures He was dating this girl that was like a naked model and she would send him pictures of tits I go look you just like stick him in your face and Then I just start a song today's Senior girls but oh God I wish we can remember that I don't know because the real chorus was really catchy. It was funny. We were having fun. We were baked and we were goofing around.

And somehow or another it became a song that like repeated itself for like a couple of months. I can see your goofers butthole. A senior girl's butthole. People at home are going, no, this is a classic example of you guys being stoned and think something's funny when it actually is not funny at all. And to someone who's sober, it's really annoying. And that's what's annoying about stoned people, goddammit. That's what happens, man. People get all agitated and shit.

Agitated. That's when they find agitation in stoners. Dana White has this thing called Meniere's disease. Have you ever heard of that shit? Mm-mm. What's that? Maybe I'm not spelling it. Meniere's disease.

It's spelled M-E-N-I-E-R-E. Meniere's disease. And it has to do with he got in a fight once with a bunch of dudes. They beat him up and fucked up his ear. And now he gets like vertigo attacks and like ringing in his ear. And now he gets vertigo attacks and ringing in his ear. And you know what's a cure for this shit? Marijuana. That's right.

And does he do marijuana? Of course not. Has he ever done marijuana? We're going to have to hotbox this motherfucker today. I think that's a great idea. Do we have any more joints rolled? I might have one in my car. You might have to go get that shit.

I can't remember. I have one in my car. I don't have my car here. Fuck. Well, there's an ashtray. There's at least 15 hits here and these ashtrays yeah we can make it happen we can hotbox them we might have to hotbox them we might change dan and white's life today what if we do one of those things where like uh he he puts it i put it in his mouth and he sucks on the other end of it hey hey jesus. What kind of a guy do you think he is? What's that called? It's called you're gay.

It's called you're gay. Put it in my mouth and suck on this. What are you even saying? What time was it with Doug Benson? I was with Doug Benson and this old man was like, put it in his mouth and told him the hot shock box. An old man? Yeah, and Doug did it.

Did they touch mouths? No, but it was so gay. Wow. I forgot all about that. That's hilarious? No, but it was so good. Wow. I forgot all about that. That's hilarious. Yeah, Doug's a silly bitch. I tweeted his picture. I was in Utah and stopped in some Best Buy to pick up some DVDs for the little ones so they can watch Cinderella and shit.

Kids get bored if you don't have specific shit that they enjoy. Right. I pulled into Spain. I saw Doug Benson's picture in the comedy section. if you don't have like specific shit that they enjoy. So we pulled in this thing. I saw Doug Benson's picture in the comedy section. It's kind of cool when you're in the middle of nowhere. You don't know anybody and you walk into a store and you see your friend's face. You're like, oh, I know that dude. Yeah.

So I tweeted it, right? But I Instagrammed it. And when I Instagrammed it, you know how you put at Doug Benson? Well, they cut out the at part when they poured it over from Instagram to Twitter. You know what that means? That means they're douchebags. No, it means that Doug Benson doesn't have the name Doug Benson on Instagram. Right.

You know who does? Another guy. But there is a Doug Benson on Instagram. But the difference is, oh, Doug Benson on Twitter is different so that when it goes to Twitter, it's not the same one so it doesn't give the hashtag to confuse people. Right. Okay, that doesn't make sense actually. That's actually a smart move. But I wanted it to be both, Twitter and – they should give me that option.

Yeah. You fucks. It should be both. Because in Instagram, it goes to this other guy and now I have to just say Doug Benson and so I can't ever Instagram and tweet something. Right. Because if I Instagram and tweet something. Right. Because if I Instagram and tweet it, then it leaves that part out.

Yeah. That shit's annoying. That's one of their problems. And that's because Instagram and Twitter are two different companies. So they don't play along that nicely, I think. Somebody needs to pony up the cheddar and come up with that Instagram money, dog.

How much do you think Instagram is worth right now? I don't know. since vine came out i haven't used it once so oh brian my own stock in vine no motherfucker if i did i'd be rich as fuck yeah that's twitter matt staggs just brought up vine to me today it's all the rage the kids are all talking about it yeah but the problem is is that i find myself vining because i want to vine so much because i want to play around with it i want to try things and do things but now i'm not like one of these guys that sit there and do 30 takes trying to make the perfect vine and that you know we don't have to i know well you're okay now you're becoming competitive that's what it is you're seeing other guys you're trying to put your shit and yeah your old video editing

skills are coming back well i'm trying to be the best you try to be the best at it right well listen man if you are a very talented video editor and you don't do anything with it your videos that you did man when we were doing those death squad videos and we were doing um the joe show videos you have some really fucking cool video skills i can tell you what killed it immediately it's boredom no the, the new Final Cut Pro. Really? Yeah. It's too hard? No, it's just the worst program in the world. I know I could buy the old one, but whatever. I don't feel like – it just annoyed the fuck out of me.

That much? It's so bad. Really? It's taking – like if you were a painter, it's taking all your brushes away and replacing them with crayons. Really? That's how bad it really is. Well, why don't you just go back to the old one yeah but i think it's i mean they don't really upgrade it or do anything new i don't think they i think they support it barely you know like i i think i even have to uninstall my final cut pro that i have now maybe before i could even put it

on i i heard that premiere pro is really good but you were is so much money I was like how much is Premiere Pro I'll buy it, it's like $800 Listen, I'll buy it if you want to use it if you want to start making videos again because you're really funny at it man look, the Buffer 360 if it wasn't for that video, that dude would have never done that move you know

I mean think about that the Mencia video but there's also the whole fact that now that we do podcasting, it seems like there's nothing that interesting anymore. Like when we hang out, we're both just like, uh. I know. It's like, you know what I do? I can barely muster up the energy to do those getting on stage videos where like backstage, like, oh, shit, here we go. Right.

But those are fun. I like doing those. Because also they're fun for me to step back and look because sometimes I can't really believe how big some of those crowds are. Like when you step back and see the Chicago Theater or Toronto and you look back and you see 3,400 fucking people. You're like, holy shit. This Anaheim one is pretty big, right? Is it a bigger theater? I think it's like 1,300 people or something like that.

Yeah, that's a decent size. But like Chicago is really big. Chicago is 3,000 plus. big chicago is 3 000 plus um that vegas place was 3 000 there's uh there's like you know those those big crowds or that's a totally different kind of energy that's a weird feeling when you get on stage and there's just a giant rush you've seen that kevin hart um special the um the commercial for his upcoming special. Yeah. Dude, he's on stage in front of like 18,000 people,

and the camera's behind him looking at all these people like screaming and cheering. You're like, whoa. I think they had lighters up and shit too. What's going on with UFC video game? I haven't – is that even – is that dead now? Because I know THQ is dead. They are finally 100% bankrupt.

EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it.

EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. EA bought it. Now, have you heard anything? Are you going to be involved with this? I'm going through the conversations right now. I see.

I don't really want to do it. Glad we got this out of the way before Dana showed up. Yeah, I'll wind up doing it, I'm sure. Probably. Well, you have to do it. Maybe not. I don't want to. EA. It's not fun. Dude, doing those... I mean,. Yeah, I'll wind up doing it, I'm sure. Probably. Well, you have to do it. Maybe not. I don't want to. Yay.

It's not fun. Dude, doing those, I mean, you'd be like, oh, poor baby, you gotta fucking sit in a room and actually do some work, you fucking pussy. But the reality is,

it's not a good time. It's not like podcasting. It's not like writing comedy. It's not like doing all the things I enjoy doing, and it takes a lot of fucking time that I don't have right now. And that's the real problem with everything. With of fucking time that i don't have right now and that's that's the

real problem with everything with this uh new show that i can't really mention that i'm putting together right now and then just writing comedy and performing comedy and doing these i mean this is the fourth one of these we did this week i didn't think we're gonna do four i was trying to do three a week because i feel like three keeps me from getting burnt out yeah it's hard to talk like on top of this i'm doing like seven other ones, and I'm dead. Yeah, well, that's your issue. Dead inside. You're doing a little too much, but it's your choice,

and it's also a side business sort of thing you've got going on. If I don't do it, I probably will be murdered at this point. Well, and also what we were talking about, we have an interesting situation now with all these comedians that we're sort of networked together with. And I think we found some unique ideas as to how to help everybody. What's the matter? I'm just looking for the light control. It's stuck on green.

We have some unique opportunities to like uh do specials with people and shit like i like how ari's doing his special now and he's doing it online i would like to do one with joey i would like to do one with you and i think we should probably start doing those we were talking about this before the podcast like doing them out of the ice house like do a special at the ice house would be awesome they already have like one camera that's on you like they film like they'll they'll give you a dvd of the set anyway then we just need like side angles you know set up cameras on the sides of the room film it hire someone to slap it together we could and you get the real club experience which as we were saying before the podcast started quite frankly is better than the

theater experience the theater experience is bigger it's crazier it's like wow it's like wow look at all these people but it's also really really important to actually be able to feel the vibe of the audience very accurately and when you're in a theater you kind of get like you see the front row or two and you just you're the noise and the feeling of the room kind of just goes upwards or something where when you're a comedy club you can feel this girl to the right of you is kind of irritated you can feel that if you're killing it on this side and the theater it's really hard to judge that and judging timing is completely different than timing and uh because your laughs have to kind of carry farther so your

timing so timing is a little different. Yeah, the sound carries different and the ceiling is like way higher. Like when you're dealing with a theater, you're dealing with two floors. Okay, there's a balcony. In some places,

like I think Chicago had three floors. So you're dealing with a three-story indoor building and this gigantic cavernous room. It's just a completely different experience. It's like the ice house.

It's like you could jump up and touch the ceiling at any place. Looks like Dana's here. Hey, look. They showed up. All right. Dana White just pulled in with a big smile on his face, all full of toxic gases. We're live. We're already live.

Have a seat. Have a seat. Ellie, what's up, buddy? We are... Dana's here. He's doing some handshakings. Don't worry about it, man. We've been talking shit.

About all kinds of things. Yeah. There is no reason to live in Los Angeles and make that commute every day. If you have to do that commute every day, you need to fucking move. I'd kill myself. There's a lot of people that do it. I'd kill myself.

I'd rather fucking die than do that every day. I'm not kidding you, man. That is brutal. It's unbelievable, and it gets worse and worse every year. I moved here in 94, and it was bad then, but now it's insanity. I will never bitch about las vegas traffic ever again you know i don't ever experience that when i come here because i know exactly where i gotta go and i don't ever oh this is mad it's madness it's madness i left two hours ago yeah oh that's you got lucky you got lucky i mean seven o'clock you should if

you left an hour before that you would have been even more fucked this place is cool yeah i like it you like the werewolf yeah that's trippy yeah where'd you get that i just had it made uh this guy pat mcgee this uh he does uh somebody make a werewolf yeah it's the american werewolf in london and next is the alien right you gotta get the alien the predator yeah he's gonna make me an alien too he does that as well you saw his yeah pat mcgee is this guy's uh special effects dude and he's one of the things he does he makes he's uh he's going to make me an alien too. He does that as well. You saw his – yeah, Pat McGee is this guy. He's a special effects dude. And it's one of the things he does. He makes his – he's made like 70 of these.

No kidding. 70 people out there with these fucking things. That is crazy. Giant American werewolf. I'm a grown-up child, Dana. I know. Just like you. That's what I love about you, brother. That's what I love about you too.

Dana and I have known each other for – what did we meet in like 2001 or something like that? I came down to watch UFC. We started talking shit. And that was back when you guys had just taken over the company and you were just sort of trying to figure out what the fuck was going on with this thing. It's so funny to see. It's like very rare in life that you get a chance to see like some people buy a sport like literally buy the whole sport i mean there was nothing going on just pride in japan but i mean america there's not you bought the sport and then it became gigantic all over the course of like a decade or so like when has that

ever happened right not with skateboarding not with motocross not with soccer not with they tried with a million different fucking things nothing has ever gone from being like a spectacle like the first event i worked was dothan alabama ufc 12 1997 that was with seg we were in a fucking like auditorium somewhere it was like maybe a thousand people scattered in a 2,000-seat place, right? And it was a little tiny fucking airport. You're flying on a propeller plane. It was ridiculous. Right.

That's why when people talk to me and they say – and I see shit on the internet or I read stuff on Twitter like, yeah, these fucking guys are in it for the money. It's all about the money and this and that. Let me tell you what. It's all about the money and this and that. Let me tell you what. When we fucking bought this thing in 2001, the Fertitta's own station casino is the fourth largest gaming company in the country.

They own Gordon Beer's Brewing Company. They sold it. They've owned fucking real estate. You name it. These guys have had their hands in everything. They've bought and sold just about everything and major stocks and all these deals and shit. They've bought and sold just about everything and major stocks and all these deals and shit. When I talked them into buying this company, dude, the guys that work for them, you know, there's an army of guys that work for them and do all their finance and shit. I thought this was the dumbest fucking idea in the history of the world.

I remember. They hated it. They hated you. Hated me. Hated the fucking UFC. We were the redheaded stepchild of the Fertitta portfolio. I remember when the Vladimir Matyshenko-Tito Ortiz fight went over. And I wasn't working for you guys back then.

I was a spectator. And it was right after September 11th. And it was fucking really dramatic. I mean, Tito was standing there and he had the American flag in his hand. And people went fucking crazy. The energy in that room. If you remember at that time when that happened, it was two weeks after September 11th. And we actually sold out Mandalay Bay. It was already sold out.

But we didn't know if anybody was going to fucking show up. You know what I mean? Right, because it was September 11th. Nobody was flying. I'm not kidding you. Las Vegas was a ghost town. You could fucking run through a casino naked and nobody would see you. It was dead.

And real weird, eerie time. Fucking everybody came to Las Vegas for that event, man. It was like the first big event back in Vegas after all this shit happened. I came for that event. I wasn't working for you guys. And every fight sucked. Every fight sucked. And then we went over on the fucking pay-per-view yeah you guys didn't have it down yet i'm a pretty upbeat person i'm don't get depressed

and i'll get fucked i seriously was thinking about fucking killing myself that i went and i hung out with you guys after it was over it was you and lorenzo and you just spoke the after party was like the shittiest after party ever we were like we have to give everybody their money back like whoa yep so you guys it got to uh i mean this point where you're thinking about selling that's why people you don't want to hear something funny people always ask me why i don't do the uh the fucking what's it called the star spangled banner you know yeah what is it yeah yeah why why i don't do that we did it that night we did it that night and i completely fucking blame that for going over that was why it happened because it's almost like you had to do it after september 11th right

there was like a crazy energy in the air that night it was uh it was really intense when tito made this like big dramatic entrance, that was back when you guys still had the ramp. And Tito's at the top of the ramp. And I don't know if there's pyrotechnics. I don't really remember. Oh, we used to fucking blow half the building up back then. Yeah, fucking half the place.

I was so happy when you guys stopped doing that. We almost lit Tito on fire in the Meadowlands. Jesus Christ. He's literally almost caught on fire. Well, guys have gotten lit on fire many times. Do you know why we did that? Who? That's why we did that.

Why we did that big stage. Why? On the ramp and all the pyrotechnics. Why? Because we didn't sell that many tickets back then. Oh, so you ate up some room with a ramp. You could cut off a quarter of the building and make it look like the place. Then you sold out.

Well, Pride did it as a pageantry thing. Pride had some amazing entrances. But they lit Joe Il De Oliveira on fire. And they had to bring him back. I'm not joking. I believe it, man. We almost lit Tito on fire. I believe it.

Yeah. That's a dangerous thing, fucking private techniques and shit. It's not necessary. That's how you make the place look full back then, though. You take up a quarter of the arena, and then you got less tickets to sell. My favorite walk-in is Frankie Edgar. Because when they they let that mother biggie don't don't don't he just starts running he just runs let me tell you how much better i like guys coming out of tunnels yeah you know we did what we had to do in the beginning with this thing and and there was a lot of smoke and mirrors and

stuff that you have to do to to make something like this happen and to grow it. But for me, I'm a hardcore, traditional, fucking to-the-bone fight fan. I want to see a dude coming out of the bowels of the fucking arena, through a tunnel, and through a crowd of arms and hands sticking out and people going crazy. I love that shit. Yeah, me too. Nick the 2, sit down, you fucking nervous prick. What are you doing?

You're wandering around back there, holding on to your dick. There's a whole couch here your dick. You kidding me? There's a whole couch here, fella. You've been sucking in gas fumes for an hour and a half. No, no. Park it. He's been sleeping for fucking 11 hours. Are you kidding me?

Now he's all wired and ready to fucking roll. If you've never seen, Dana has these world-famous video blogs where there's no president of any company that lets people in as much as you let people in, but you do these video blogs where occasionally some ridiculous things take place. And one of them was our good pal Joe Lozon and Nick the Tooth in a grappling competition. He gave Joe Lozon $1,000 for every submission that he could pull off in five minutes. Bad move. And he put a six-submission beating down on the tooth. And Nick was like, I can't believe you tapped.

I mean he's a fucking professional fighter like what are you talking about that people are so ridiculous when it comes to like professional fighters dude you know how many people ask me they're they're like you get these these fucking guys who think you know that really don't get and appreciate how good these fighters really are and what to be a mixed martial artist really means and now i got these guys saying are you fucking crazy you actually think that ronda rousey could fucking do something oh my fucking god do you know do you know that victor chinian do you know what she did to that boxer you know about all that i saw it i watched it yeah silly bitch that's a beast she's 150 pound beast okay she cuts weight to make 135. She's 150 pounds.

Did you see the video online of that reporter? The guy's supposed to be some fucking dude with a camcorder. He showed up with a gi and asked, you know, he said, this is a couple days ago before a fight. And he says, well, you know, I don't think girls really are that tough and this, that, and everything else. What would it take to get you to throw me? She goes, you said the right things already, buddy. Let's do this. She grabbed him by his fucking gi.

And I'm telling you, the judo shit scares me, man. When they take your feet out, go up in the air over, and you could tell she was using her fucking weight, and she came down on that dude hard. She fucked him up.'m sure man yeah you don't want to lock horns with an olympian you know and the idea that so stupid i've heard people say silly shit about her like that she's oh she's a woman i wouldn't be scaled she'll break your fucking arm man face and your neck and but you don't know how, like, when you see, like, how quick her hips move when she hits arm bars, that's some really high-level shit. When she whips those hips over, like, the amount of time you have to recognize what she's doing and the amount of control she has and the ability to adjust while you're realizing she's doing it, she knows what you're going to do.

She's done that a million fucking times. So she knows that she's throwing those things you're gonna try to pull out so she's gonna scoot forward and she's gonna catch you and belly down on you and snap your shit son and she's got a fucking neck right and she's got fucking beautiful shoulder and she's still beautiful she's still a woman but she's about as like fit and strong oh it's aaron true aaron is so silly he does this everywhere i told him yeah yeah yeah i told him to stop doing this because he's letting guys beat him up like like uh jason ellis beat the shit out of him man beat the shit out of him he might fucking change his mind after this oh she did it on hardwood oh my god watch that's

nothing bro wait till she throws him oh no she does oh my god oh my god. Watch, that's nothing, bro. Wait until she throws him. Oh no, she does. On hard wood? Oh my god! Oh my god. Look at this. She does it so easy, too. Could it freeze up? Watch when she lands on him. Boom!

Oh, all on one rib. All on like this side. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, Aaron has cyborgs beat the shit out of him. He's had a cyborgs beat the shit out of him he's had a lot of people beat the shit out of him yeah that's look at his face man that's not fun yeah that's so stupid but he he always does this he actually asked for it he's doing like a jackass sort of a thing yeah that's a good way to talk to that guy in about eight years see how he's feeling yeah especially he's not even doing it on a mat he's doing it on like a dance floor he's doing it for nothing not like you're fucking fighting and trying to be the

best and getting paid he's not doing it for nothing because we're talking about him yeah see that's what he's trying to do yeah he's going out jackass style listen what's his name aaron true aaron true i i hope you make a million fucking dollars off off this podcast okay go i hope so buddy you're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, I wouldn't let that happen. He lets a lot of people beat him up. He lets, like I said, if you watch the Jason Ellis one,

that's the worst one. Ellis beat the shit out of him. He like sparred with Jason and Jason just started wailing on him. Like full blast. Power shots to the head. He was like, yeah, I wasn't right after that for a couple weeks.

I'm like, yeah, no kidding. It's called a concussion. It's called brain damage, dude. What the fuck are you doing with yourself? Are you out of your mind? Speaking of brain damage, did you know that your Meniere's disease, that cannabis is like one of the best cures for that shit? Did you know that? I did not know that.

I know. Listen, I've been reading up for you, pal. The tooth has actually been doing a lot of research for me on the Meniere's thing. I actually found some shit. I'm seeing all these doctors and stuff. Well, tell folks who don't know what we're talking about you've had this issue yeah for how many years now so what happened was when i was 21 years old uh i lived in boston and i i got jumped one night at this at this bar and these dudes beat the living shit out of me for about a good 20 minutes 20 minutes literally until the police came and at one point

i remember i was on one knee and this fucking guy must have punched me in this ear a thousand times you know you know and i was getting kicked and hit from all kinds of different directions the guys were from charlestown i'm lucky i didn't get stabbed i'm lucky i got the shit beat out of me so after that that happened my ear rang for months. I mean, fucking loud to where I couldn't sleep and stuff like that. So I went to the doctor and they said, yeah, you have permanent hearing loss and damage to that ear and everything else. So no big deal. You know, it was what it was. And I, you know, later on in life, it eventually turned into Meniere's, which is nerve damage. And the brain is telling,

the nerve is telling the brain we're moving when we're really not. And it causes, when I say spin, man, the room starts spinning so fast. You have to grab onto shit. You close your eyes, you go in the dark and just close your eyes sometimes for hours. You know, when, when this thing hits me, I'm down for sometimes eight or nine hours. And so there's no cure for it. But they have these real controversial surgeries that you can go in and do. And I'm a fucking lunatic. So I'm like, I don't give a shit. I'm getting a surgery.

The doctor was kind of hemming and hawing on it. I said, just do it, doc. Well, I just went in yesterday. You didn't know this because we didn't talk about this yet. So this was my first follow-up. And the fucking surgery was a complete disaster so that's why i've been so fucked up lately it was a disaster in what way um it uh it helped 70 of the people it helps i'm the 30 that went the other way so now i've almost completely lost the hearing in this year my hearing is almost completely gone and I've been having attacks every day.

The last two days I haven't had an attack. So it's been pretty cool. And, uh, I'm feeling pretty good. But like I said, so that's, that's the,

in a nutshell, there's nothing you can do about it unless now I opt to go in and get the surgery where they cut the nerve, which will put me in the hospital for seven days. And then I'll have to learn how to walk again. So for how long, how long does it take to learn how to walk again? Left foot, right foot?

Lorenzo said his dad learned to walk again in a month. And his dad was in his 60s when he did it. He had the same operation. Yeah. Whoa. So I don't know. A month. A month of not knowing how to walk.

Yeah. And then depth perception, like picking things up like this. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, people don't realize how much the ear is related to equilibrium. That's why when guys get punched sometimes, you see in a fight or kicked, they get – yeah, their equilibrium goes. It's an ear injury, an inner ear injury. Sometimes eardrums get popped.

They get blown out from punches. That's why especially you see that a lot in the old days. Guys would slap guys in the ears a lot when they would have them on the side. They would slap them instead of punching them. That hurts like hell. Fuck yeah, it does. A lot of guys have broken their hands, ground and pounded on dudes because the fucking skull is stronger than the knuckle.

The reality is. And one of the things about boxing gloves is boxing gloves actually help protect your hand. And look how many guys break their hands in boxing by hitting the head yeah floyd it's unbelievable that there isn't a lot more hand damage in mma yeah it is i mean well there is a lot though if you really stop and think about how many guys break their hands it's it's pretty extraordinary but to the point to the point floyd's hands were so bad it looked like he was gonna have to retire at one point yeah what did he wind up doing about he got some crazy get some surgery? Yeah. He got some crazy good surgery. He's got little tiny hands.

It's weird. He does. Well, he's a tiny guy. Yeah. I mean, anybody who's ever met Floyd on TV, everybody looks big. He's tiny. Yeah. But he was using special gloves for a while, and he was pulling his punches and just outboxing

guys and pity patting them. He was breaking his hands like crazy for a while, right? Oh, speaking of that, have you seen this kid? we didn't talk about this kid yet the fuck's his name adrian broner broner yeah god damn that kid's good i like him a lot the whole shtick he's got going on is fucking stupid you know well he's combing his hair and fucking acting like dude nobody could be that fucking obnoxious nobody would hang out with the guy ever no care who you are he's just trying to get attention i I know, but he's so good. Yeah, he doesn't need it.

He doesn't need it. He's fucking good, man. He's like Floyd. He's brilliant. But he tries to finish. He's very dangerous. Very dangerous. And how about this kid, Reese, from fucking England?

England. It fought him, yeah. Oh, you shit. Tough kid. Tough kid. The balls on that dude. He brought a pop gun to a gunfight. Yeah.

That was the problem. He couldn't sting him. The other thing, too, is I've always been critical of the European boxing style. That dude can box. Reese can box, man. He's got great boxing skills. And he hits hard, too. He hit Broner with some shots.

He did. And he really sharpened up his head movement for that fight. They said that that was going to be the big issue. He was too stiff. But he's like, no, no, no. For this guy, I'm going to move a lot yeah what a talented guy man he looked good yeah broner's amazing man he's uh he's exciting and he's going to move up to 140 hopefully and there's a lot of good fights for him at 140 135 it's like he's pretty much cleaned it out already

you know why floyd went to showtime you think so because of broner i don't know he's just who's he gonna fight over there well i mean isn't floyd well floyd's 147 i mean basically if broner can make 140 you can make one yeah he's a big kid he will be too so muscular too you know and fucking combinations that kid throws they're like half half as like half the amount of time they take to land five six punches i mean he's so fast floyd and broner i mean yeah well i think right now floyd's probably his boxing is just a like a little bit probably a little too sharp a little too clean you know the times that reese popped him what would floyd do would floyd

be able to shut him down yeah but true broner can put together combinations like jesus christ yeah the combinations that he landed on recent, like the second and third, it was like, Jesus, unbelievable combinations. Like, ruthless speed. Love it. Yeah. I love when there's great fights, man. I love fights.

I love when there's a new guy that raises the bar, too. I stayed up in England until 5 in the morning to watch that fight. Oh, really? Yeah. I was in the U.K. for the Wembley fight. Whenever a guy comes along like a Roy Jones Jr. and he was in his prime or like an Anderson Silva is right now. I love it, man.

It's so fun to watch a guy that's just like almost feels like untouchable. He's just like, wow, what's going to happen here? Like what's going to happen with this puzzle? Anderson's so fucking fun to watch. I dread the day that dude retires. I used to think that Roy jones jr did some crazy shit like he would put his hand behind his back and then knock somebody out but what he wouldn't do is stand with his back to a cage and and let a guy come on come on a guy who weighs 205 pounds

and is on steroids fucking take shots at him how about that right yeah and then blast him and drop him with like a perfectly placed knee if you knew If you knew how Bonner flew home with me after that because he was having a baby, if you knew how freaked out he was by that fight, the fight just fucking, he's like, that dude lives in the Matrix. That dude lives in, he says, nobody's ever done that to me before. I mean, he just treated me like I was nothing and I've never fought before. And he was fucking tripping. It was a trippy fight.

It was trippy to watch especially considering that's like way above his weight class and he manhandled bonner when when when they got in the clinch he tripped him and then he just perfectly timed bonner stand up and as soon as bonner stood up boom blasted him in the solar plexus i mean he was like getting shot by a cannon i mean he just went down when was the last time a guy went down with a knee to the body like that before yeah no i mean that was yeah like he got shot i mean that's what he does when he throws that knee man yeah ruins people yeah i mean look at it's the same way when he was kneeing rich franklin uh you know he grabbed him in that clinch it was just he's just he's just he's just phenomenal man

the guy's just an amazing fighter and he's in his prime right now he's like got that perfect combination of confidence and experience and and success yeah he's in i have zone right now to make him and fucking jones happen man i have to make that fight happen do you think that one fight keeps talking about going to 170 right he's talking about going to 170 now what what anderson's talking about what anderson really talks about he fucks with the media a lot what he really talks about is big fights he wants big fights you know um so he's got to walk this fine line we're probably going to do a 10 fight deal with this guy which is amazing what is he 37 or 38 he's going to be 38 and to have him under another 10 fight deal and god i hope this guy fights 10 more times you know i hope it's possible yeah i

love i just you know it's like when i saw this broner kid like when you see somebody that's special guys that really got something uh really special it's just anderson silva is fucking unbelievable he is unbelievable and you go man how's he gonna keep that up but then you look at herschel walker yeah herschel walker is like almost 50 years old and he's fucking shredded right i mean he looks amazing he does and they said that herschel walker was training with like young football players and he was out running them out conditioning them i mean like people are like going what the fuck is going on he's almost 50 years old and then bernard hopkins he's fighting for the light heavyweight title.

He's 48. 48 fucking years old. Hopkins is shocking, especially in boxing. Yeah, no one's like that. But, you know, I'm pretty sure Hopkins was in jail early on in his career for a while. So he had a big layoff early when he was young. And always took care of himself, stayed in shape. No drugs, no alcohol, no bullshit.

It makes a big difference. Yeah, the the discipline he's never out of shape so he never allows himself to have to work back to get there party and kills fighters it does kills a man does i saw it happen to chuck yeah yeah it does we've seen so many guys like that that just they get so crazy with the success and they're so crazy with the pussy yeah fucking king of the world it's so hard so hard to do the whole the whole chuck liddell era when when chuck beat tito that night it's just fucking it was crazy man you know i've been together since since 1997 or something like that 98 maybe and then to see that fucking explosion and just how this dude became so huge like after his fights everybody wanted a piece of that guy it was insane it was fucking insane man i've never seen anything like it yeah he rode like a wild crazy wave for like four or five years and then just like all right now it's like now he's like back

to being a normal dude again yeah it's really now he's completely fucking normal and which is good i'm happy man yeah he did it he got fucking crazy when it was time to get crazy you know and then he settled down yeah it's very impressive it makes me wonder if he hadn't partied how much how much longer he could have stayed but you you know what? That dude made so much fucking money. And he's set. He's good. It was also his style. His style was so aggressive.

He was such a destroyer. That style, you put yourself in danger. And it was also that he had this incredible chin. And he had this willingness to trade. He would get in there and he would eat one to give one. That's what made him so perfect too for the time that we were coming up. Because you had all these guys that understood boxing and not a lot of people understood the ground game,

and that was what people loved about this guy. He was a fucking war horse who just moved forward and would eat shots to give. He'd take three to give you that one fucking boom. And it was a time where a lot of people thought the ground part – if there weren't really good practitioners, some people weren't into the ground part. They would be like, boo. Well, Chuck was the best guy at avoiding it and the best guy at getting back up. When he would hit the ground, he would boom.

He would immediately explode with underhooks. He'd scoot his hips back. He would be up quicker than anybody. Even if you took him down, except Randy. Randy was the only guy that was able to take him down and hold him down. But that was when Chuck, he didn't take that fight seriously enough. Dude, I'll never forget that as long as I fucking live. The night before he fought Couture, it's like 2.30 in the morning at the Hard Rock.

And I'm walking through the Hard Rock, and he's fucking there at the Hard Rock. I go, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you here? Oh, dude, I'm just... Right? I can worry about it. You know what I'm doing?

I said, dude, get your fucking punk ass home and go to bed. Are you fucking crazy? You know what I mean? It was just such a given that he was going to win this fight wow and you know i've seen that i've seen guys that were fighting where i ran into him at three o'clock in the morning i ran into ken shamrock in a diner it was 3 30 a.m in florida when he was uh gonna fight tito he was gonna fight tito at the hard rock right remember that yeah that was a big fight itito. He was going to fight Tito at the Hard Rock. Right. Remember that?

Yeah. That was a big fight. It was like 3.30 in the morning, and we were getting breakfast, and Ken walked in. I'm like, aren't you fighting today? And he was just all smart. He kind of knew. That was the one that I had to do for free because the pay-per-view one sucked so bad. Remember they fought in the pay-per-view, and then the ref jumped in and stopped it,

and Ken jumped right back up like, what the fuck? Oh, that's right. You stopped that fight? I was still in this thing. Right. That's right. So I did the fight again for free at the Hard Rock and we put it on Spike. That's right.

That's right. 3.30 a.m. He was getting breakfast. He was hanging out. I was like, you're not in bed yet? Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it showed. It showed at the fight. Well, I think Ken hit a point in his career where he was just sort of cashing Christ. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it showed. It showed at the fight. Well, I think Ken hit a point in his career where he was just sort of cashing in. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I mean, he was unbelievably ferocious in his early days. You know, you go back and you watch, like, some of his early fights. I mean, he was a fucking animal. He went after it.

But then after a while, it's like, how many times can you do that, you know? Yeah. How many times can you have those brutal fights over and over again, those fights that he had over in Pride too? It's like after a while, it's like there's not much left. You got to cash in. I agree. When you see guys like Dan Severin and you see like Dan recently retired. Right.

I mean how old is he now? He's in his 50s. He's in his 50s. That's one of the weirdest aspects of the fight game like you can't tell a guy to stop but you look at a guy like him though he's just such a fucking competitor has been was a wrestler you know these wrestlers are fucking tough man and uh you know as crazy as it is you know i respect the guy yeah it's crazy but i respect him well he's doing his own thing.

I'm telling you, and you know this. You've been around the game long enough. These dudes were fucking born to do this. The guys who fight were put on this fucking earth. If they weren't fighting, they'd be fucking some shit up somewhere. You know what I mean? It would be scary. Imagine you get some of these weirdos. You get some of these fucking freaks out there

that want to try to control people's lives and tell them what they can do people shouldn't be fighting and people people shouldn't be playing golf asshole you know what I mean? That's what I think so does that really mean people shouldn't be playing fucking golf? No. Well I think the idea that they're saying

by saying that people shouldn't be fighting is that you're encouraging something that's anti-social behavior contrary something that's a bad contrary to the way we want society to be you want to see anti-social behavior make it so these guys can't fucking fight make it so there's no outlet yeah make it what happens yeah tie them down make them watch opera yeah they'll go they'll hulk out on you remember fucking uh i ran barkley yeah there was some after some fight i ran barkley the Yeah. After some fight, I ran Barkley. The guy asked him, said, so if you weren't fighting, what would you be doing?

He said, I'd be robbing your house right now. And those dudes were fucking serious. I mean, if you ask those guys in boxing, some of the guys from the old days that came from boxing, they'd be fucking dead or in jail or doing something bad. Boxing and a lot of other combat sports has taken people out of the streets and fucking, dude, me and Mike Tyson have talked about this for hours,

for fucking hours about it. He talks about what he would have been doing if he didn't fucking, first of all, he didn't hook up with Cuss and he didn't go up there and he didn't, he said, Cuss broke me down as a fucking human being and then built me back up and he said i honestly truly believe that me and him were put together because he's the only one that could have fucking done it because let me tell you what i would have

been doing if i didn't meet cuss and i didn't get into boxing yeah he had so much respect for that guy as a trainer and so much respect for him as a father figure that it like inspired him to greatness it inspired him to focus 100% on pleasing that guy because that was the first guy to really show him love and to really show him respect and to have faith in him. And then under him, all of a sudden, all these great things are happening, all this success is happening.

So it reinforced his love for him. And he talked about how much fucking anger he had inside of him at that time. He had a lot of anger that needed to be expressed. yes well you watch those combinations he throws when he's training with cuss there's a video of him i think i think it's i don't know if it's kevin rooney or teddy atlas or who's working with him but he's throwing off combinations on the bag and he's probably like 18 years old and it's like and you're just watching these sick ridiculous ruthless violent combinations like no one has ever thrown before i don't give a fuck about joe lewis muhammad ali

was the greatest yes a great cultural figure a great boxer for his era i think mike tyson was the greatest freak that's ever existed i don't think there's ever been anybody like that i agree the marvis Frazier fight. You remember that fight? Oh, fuck yeah. Jesus Christ. I know. That was as close to a murder as you could watch on television.

When you start to watch the old fights of Tyson coming up, there's guys that he just fucking murdered. Murdered. Frank Bruno fight just clubbed him. And back at the time when I was first coming up and you know in in boxing right there was a gym called golden gloves and golden gloves was the first gym that i worked out of vegas and uh they used to shut the place down for mike when mike would come in right so he'd come in and train there'd be fucking 50 brand new cars that would pull in the fucking park it was great dude it was craziness

the aura that surrounded tyson at that time and just all the crazy shit that went on but he had tigers yeah he had tigers everlast made a special bag for him so they'd come in and take down the bags in the fucking gym the real bags and they'd put up these special bags that were fucking this big they were just massive you couldn't put your arms around them right when he would hit a regular fucking bag that you would buy you know when you break a firecracker in half that's what the fucking bag would look like when he would hit it the fucking thing would snap in half this way and come back this way the fucking power that this guy had when he punched you had to be there to see it in person

to really believe it like you said the combination you see him throwing on the back and just if when you saw it in person you were just like what the fuck i love to see that in person you need to see what you have to do is you have to go see his fucking stand-up he told me about it yeah bro if you even remotely like tyson back in the day, the Mitch Blood Green story that he tells, I'm not even going to fuck with it because you got to see Tyson tell it. What is it now? It is awesome. He's on tour.

He just called me today. He just called me today. He's got a reality show. What? So he asked me to be in his reality show. Oh, my God. So I start filming his reality show with him like next week. Oh, my God.

It's the odd couple. It's Mike and Dana. Yeah. No, it's not just me and him. show oh my god so i start filming his reality show with him like next week oh my god and the odd couple it's mike and dana yeah no it's not just me and him it's just i'm fucking doing a cameo or so i don't what he wants from me but every time he asked me to do him a favor i'm like dude i'd do anything isn't it weird when mike tyson calls yeah do you look at your phone and go holy shit mike tyson's calling you i fucking dude tyson is my favorite all-time you know i fucking love mike yeah he's one is my favorite all-time. I fucking love Mike Tyson. Yeah, he's one of my favorite all-time fighters as well. There was nothing like a Tyson fight. Yeah, exactly.

They were different. They were different experiences. So true. When you saw him fight somebody, like Jesus Christ, what is Tony Tubbs going to do to him? How about when you're watching, I don't give a fuck if you were there live, which I was very lucky that I was able to do that. Go to a few Mike Tyson fights live when he fought or if you were sitting at home watching tv as soon as they fucking showed him on camera walking out you just fucking got the goosebumps and went oh my he was so terrifying i love that scene in in the movie tyson where he talks about what's going

through his mind all his insecurities go away by the time he gets to the cage where he got time he gets the ring rather yeah that is such a great the way he's talking through it there i'm a god i'm indestructible there's nothing better there's nothing i mean when you watch a tyson documentary yeah it's fucking awesome you just you're in awe i just yeah it was a completely different cultural experience than like the muhammad ali era must have been because the muhammad ali thing was like muhammad ali was different because he was so much more admirable as a human being like what he did was like during the vietnam war he said you know what man why are we going to war why why do you why are you sending me to war well i don't want to kill no vietcong no vietcong never did anything and then everybody in america was like

yeah what the fuck is going on? What are you doing? And then they took his – I mean they made a martyr out of him by taking his career away for three years. So when you see like Muhammad Ali, you see a different thing. You see like a troubled time, the Nixon administration and people were down on the government and the Vietnam War was so unpopular. When you see Mike Tyson, you just saw destruction. It was a completely different experience. I agree.

It's like he was like Sonny Liston on meth. It was like Sonny Liston but moving 100 miles an hour and there was no Muhammad Ali to stop him. There was no Muhammad Ali to, you know, no young brash kid to dethrone him with boxing. You know, I always talk about when I'm talking about the UFC to people who really don't understand fighting and the sport and stuff. So the way that I usually break it down for them is I say, listen, you look at the NFL,

how big the NFL is, been trying to go over here, go over there. Cricket's big over there, never big over here. Fighting crosses all cultural language barriers and shit. No matter what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak, we're human beings and fighting's in our fucking DNA. What really, you know, when you really think about fucking all the most famous guys think about michael jordan how big he is you know people know michael jordan in some parts of the world gretzky yeah here and there you think of all the greats think about who are really fucking

well known everywhere all over the fucking planet and worshipped guys like fucking tyson you know what i mean muhammad ali you know bruce lee vladimir klitschko that motherfucker gets on a plane nobody even pays attention to him right i was on a plane with him and my friend was like who's that fucking john i go dude that's the heavyweight boxing champion in the world he goes the heavyweight boxing champion's a white guy i go yeah it's a white russian guy he's a doctor he's like a professor and shit it's vladimir klitschko he's like a brilliant guy plays chess and shit dude is playing chess chess on his iPad while he's sitting there. The most boring fucking guys

in the history of the fucking sport. The Klitschko brothers drive me fucking crazy, man. Jab, jab, hold. Jab, jab, hold. Jab, hold. Right hand jab. Fucking whole fight, man. It'll put you to sleep. So, me and Elliot, right? Me and Elliot and

I think Craig Borsari are in Beverly Hills, right? I talk so much shit about the Klitschko brothers all the fucking time, man. All I do is fucking hammer these guys. They're boring. They suck. They're this. They're that. They're one of the big problems with boxing and fucking heavyweights.

Nobody cares. As much shit as I can talk. one of the big problems with boxing and fucking heavyweights. Nobody cares as much shit as I can talk. So there's this little restaurant in Beverly Hills, um, called El Pisteo, right? And it's literally fucking tiny,

but it's bad-ass great food, everything else. So we go there for lunch one day, walk into the fucking restaurant. Both the Klitschko brothers are sitting right there and they fucking, I walk in and they both look at me. I'm like, Oh fuck.

Both the Klitschko brothers are in here right so i said uh the lady says would you like to eat inside or out i said i'll eat outside thank you so she goes outside we tell if i can tell ellie and i go fucking both the klitschko brothers are in there and they're both fucking staring at me i said i'm probably gonna get my fucking ass whooped today i said but don't worry it'll be boring they'll jab and fucking hold me for about 20 minutes over on the fucking corner here and uh so then they both get up and they walk outside and they walk by our table and they were looking at me but they didn't say a word they didn't say anything to me you know do you think they knew that i don't know i don't know if they did or didn't but you know you know when somebody talks enough shit about you you end up fucking hearing it eventually. Well, also, they were kickboxers. Yeah, I knew that.

So they were martial artists. So they probably watched the UFC anyway. I mean, it only makes sense that they do. You've seen Vitaly. There's a video of him getting knocked out. He got a wheel kicked. Some guy knocked him out in some sort of a karate tournament. You know, it was, that's me, son of a bitch.

A little young Joe Reagan. That's a little young me in a Taekwondo tournament. I knocked that dude down with a spinning back. I missed it. Play it again. That's from 1987, the U.S. Cup. This guy just sent it to me online. He just found it.

He had like a VHS tape of it from back in the day. Brian, you are the worst fucking video. No, your internet sucks. You don't have this already loaded? It was loaded, but it didn't work. Good show. No headgear, no nothing, huh? I had a headgear on. The headgear is like this little

shiny black plastic pad. Where'd you kick him? In the chest or the head? Spinning back kick. Yeah, that was my technique. That's what I worked with George St. Pierre on. Yeah, I remember. That was my specialty.

All right, Brian, stop. That was my favorite technique. That was so... When George was looking for someone to help him, I was like, this is going to sound ridiculous. But I could probably teach you

that better than anybody could. And he actually listened to me, which shows you what a great guy he is. He's probably like, yeah, I'm going to go. Joe Rogan wants to fucking spend time with me or something and bullshit me. So I was very impressed that he actually came down and trained with me. I thought this guy is never going to believe me because I was talking to John Donahue. And John Donahue was like, George needs help with his spinning back kick. He's got the mechanics wrong. And I was like, gonna sound ridiculous but i know the guy like me i can help him but most people wouldn't listen you know george actually

listened he's a great i couldn't say enough good things about george cpr he's such he's such a good person man he's the best example of what's possible today in mixed martial arts and he's a true martial artist yeah like i think that's what's interesting about what's going on with mma right now is that it's kind of coming full circle like it was traditional martial arts in the beginning was all about bowing and respect and all that and then this became like brawlers and sluggers and wrestlers with good haymaker punches and now it's gone full circle and the greatest guys in the world are bowing. Like George St. Pierre bows. Anderson Silva bows before. I mean these are real fucking martial artists.

They're real samurai. When George is living his life, he's living his life as a true martial artist and he's elevating the sport to the highest level right now. I mean you look at that fucking 170-pound division. That's a murderer's row this hendrix and condit and fucking diaz you got a bunch of assassins in that division just scrambling to get at him and every time you see him he's better every time you see him he puts another notch in his game he takes time off gets a knee surgery comes back bigger and stronger he's doing fucking gymnastics and just physically.

He's a true professional. He's a true professional, man. He gets better every time you see him. I was just saying today, man, the Diaz brothers. I respect the Diaz brothers. I like these guys. They're fun kids. I like the $50,000 between the two of them now and not showing up to film shit.

You've spent $50,000 between the two of them now and not showing up to film shit. You've spent $50,000? Yeah. We've got fucking crews running around Stockton. It costs money to send these fucking guys up there. You're paying these guys, these crews, to do this shit by the day. The show that we're trying to film now is Fox. And then you've got Cesar Gracie has the balls to get on fucking Twitter and say, hey, upgrade Nick's ticket.

The rate Nick's going, he's going to be going to Montreal and fucking Greyhound. He's asking you to upgrade his ticket. Yeah. They're missing a bit. It's just crazy, man. It's it's fucking crazy. It's just like it's some some of the shit that goes on in this and this fucking sport drives me nuts. You know, I love the Diaz brothers.

They're crazy. I love the whole thing. But, you know, it's like, come on, you guys. Come on. Well, who is responsible for putting together a schedule? A lot of... Because, you know, like, I read... Oh, and his lawyer.

Yeah, his lawyer comes out and says that wasn't true. He's a fucking liar. How dare you? Yeah. Look at you. You're getting very upset. Liar. You're going to get a fucking Menier's exam right now.

Yeah, I know. I'm going to have a fucking... I'm going to fall down and start seizing you. And I'm going to have to give you some weed to revive you. You know what? Some of the fans were asking me, and we just did that fight in Wembley, and they thought that Vadami was there. I was like, he wouldn't fucking be there.

Why wouldn't he be? He was fucking there. It was him. I would believe he'd be there. That guy, man. Vadim Finkelstein for people, you call him the dummy. People don't know what you're talking about. The average person.

Vadim Finkelstein is the manager of Fjordor Emilianenko, who was at one point in time the pride champion. And you guys went through a long, lengthy debate, or rather negotiation with them trying to bring Fedor over, but it never happened. That's too bad. That's too bad that guy never came over. He's another guy that was great during his time,

but you can only run that shit for so long, man. You can only run that game for so long. After a while, your body just doesn't want to do it anymore. You don't have the motivation anymore. He turned to religion then, and then know verdum bigfoot henderson three losses in a row like that it's like but still it would have been so fun to have that guy come over to the ufc tried man i know you did tried hard but when when people hear about like like people like why doesn't he make a deal bring fedor over when you hear about the deal, it's like they were doing some crazy shit.

They were trying to get co-promotion. That's how they got M1 Global onto Showtime, right? It was all like muscling them in with Fedor. Exactly. Do they do fights anymore? I don't know. Didn't they have a Showtime deal after Fedor was done? Yeah, he did have a Showtime deal.

I don't think Showtime is screwing around with MMA. I think just blew all the money on Floyd. Oh, that's right. They spent a lot of money on Floyd Mayweather, right? Yeah. That's a good move. Yeah. He's still got – they're going to fight Guerrero?

No, I agree. Probably the ghost Guerrero? You know, I think that it was a strong move by Showtime. It's a great move, especially since they don't know what the fuck they're doing with MMA. Why not just get out of the business? Thank you you it's fascinating to watch people try to get into it like apparently that dude in india is hemorrhaging cash the super fight league thing of course it always looks so ken pavia doing the post-fight interviews oh does he really oh my god that guy is such a fucking tool well you know but i think bar, maybe it was Invicta or maybe it was Super Fight League.

Barone did some commentary. He's fucking hilarious. Barone is funny. His commentary is fucking hilarious. I like Barone, man. I've always had a good relationship with Barone. One of the best commentary times I've ever did was in Miami with Barone. Let me tell you, when I say I've tried it all, I've fucking tried it all.

I really have. Well, that was a disaster because I had to do Goldie's job, but I don't know how to do that job. Yeah, you were panicking. I remember that. You were freaked out. You know why? Because they were talking to me like I knew what the fuck they were saying. Right.

They don't understand how loose doing commentary is. Right. Nothing can happen that I – I can't talk about something that's not happening. Right. Okay? And it has to happen for me to talk about it. So it's pretty fucking easy for me. All I have to do is be aware, know what's going on, know who the fighters are, what the strength of the weak is.

Ready? Go. What Goldie has to do. All right, we're going to roll into a 60. Use more of a traffic cop. We're going to open the five with a two with a wide shot. We'll come to a two shot. I go, what the fuck are you saying?

I go, is this written down somewhere? You want me to read this? And then they're like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. Like, they thought, like, maybe I had done it before. I was like, no, I've never done any of this before. I don't know what you're talking about. I know how to describe shit that happens.

You were freaking the fuck out that night. I remember that. But it worked with Barone. It worked with Barone. Yeah, you really have tried everything. I have, man. It's fun to be a part of this, man, to be a part of it from the beginning like that too, like the old days. You, the very, very beginning.

To see what it's like now it's it's a strange shit i did an interview today where i was talking about like the difference between dothan alabama and the roger center that was probably when i when i like really was like whoa you know look around in the giant 80 foot screen of leota machida jumping front kicking randy in the face i remember just seeing that over and over again, this boom, that kick when Randy would go down. I'm like, this is the nuttiest shit I've ever seen in my life. There's 60,000 fucking people here. It's so cool to be able to go to all these different arenas around the world and meet all these different fans from all these different countries.

When I was in Ireland, the fucking people were so cool. England, the people are so cool. You go to Sweden, it's going to be fucking awesome again. We're going back to Japan next week. It's just like there's just so many fucking cool people. The last time we went to Japan, the fans were just insane. It was amazing. It's just so cool to be a part of something like this.

Yeah, Brian came to Japan. That was fun. Are you going to Japan next week? No, no. I don't do – It's a fuel fight. Yeah, I don't do the fuel ones or the FX ones anymore. I miss Japan.

I think about it all the time. It was fun. Yeah, we had a good time there. Awesome. It was a fascinating little country. And it's cool to the point where now we're so many fans from... Let's say, you know,

obviously we do fights in America. People come from all over the world. But now people from America and all over the world are going to fights. And, you know, when we were in... When we were just in England, there were so many Brazilians there.

Oh, yeah. It was really cool. You know, and it's like... Especially for Henning Baral. You know, we fucking broke the gate record at Wembley. Really? Yeah. Wow.

Henry Cooper fought Floyd Patterson there. Henry Cooper fought somebody else there. I can't remember who. Did he fight Ali there? No. And then, what's his name fought there? Lennox Lewis fought Oliver McCall there. Wow.

And Lennox Lewis fought the Britain European champ there. And we beat every sports-related event that's ever been to Wembley. Wow. Isn't that cool? Well, MMA is huge in the U.K. now. There's so many gyms coming out of the U.K. and there's so many guys that are coming out of the U.K. now. You see Jimmy Manoa guy?

That guy's a fucking beast, man. That was a very impressive fight. Him and Cyril Diabate. Because Diabate is a really seasoned striker. Multiple-time world Muay Thai champion. I was excited for that fight. It sucked his leg. It got fucked up. I was really excited for that fight it sucked his leg got fucked up yeah i was really excited for that it sucked his leg got fucked up but i was really

impressed with the amount of what i was doing before it's like i fucked up i was like wow this kid is a beast right yeah he's a he's a very aggressive guy very very dangerous guy yeah it's gonna be fun just go you know you're right when you got a guy that's got that kind of you know yeah how's his ground game gonna be when he gets up against a real good wrestler and ground guy? Well, yeah, I mean, that is always the question. There's those guys. You know, like, that's the big question about John Fitch.

Like, a lot of people say, oh, John Fitch is boring. John Fitch is boring. I'm like, John Fitch is a reality. And you've got to be able to deal with a guy like that. I think a guy like that is important. It's an important aspect of fighting that a guy can hold you down. It's what made the Eric Silva fight so exciting. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, John ground that kid down to a halt. And Eric Silva's a scary fuck. That kid's scary. He's very, very dangerous. Super explosive. Real dangerous with his knees and his striking. And he finishes fights very quickly.

The Carlo Prater fight, I mean, he's a dangerous kid. The fight with the Spaniard, Charlie Brenneman, he's a dangerous, dangerous kid. And, man, Fitch was able to glue on him. What was crazy was watching Damian Maia out-Fitch Fitch. Right. Like, how good is that guy? Yep. When you see that guy got a hold of Fitch and just completely controlled him when it came to grappling, that was like –

But the big kink in his arm was the stand-up if he goes in against a guy like – You know, who can stop the takedown and – Man, at 170, Damian Maia's a beast. He's a – I mean, he is always going to have a problem with – you know he's going to have a problem with Marquardt. That's going to be an interesting rematch at 170. That's a very interesting rematch, as a matter of fact, at 170. And a good fight for Marquardt. Who do you got for Marquardt now, though?

Don't you have Ellenberger? Yeah. He's fighting Ellenberger. Woo-hoo! Yeah. And Condit versus Hendricks. Hendricks? Johnny Hendricks?

Oh, my God. I love that. It's a great card. It sucks that Rory got hurt. And Diaz versus George. Yeah. And Diaz versus George, of course. But it sucks that rory got hurt diaz versus george yeah and diaz versus george of course but it sucks that rory got hurt that that does suck yeah that kid's scary

that fight with bj penn was like man he he's one of those kids where you don't see him for like five or six months and then all of a sudden you're like holy shit this kid just got 50 percent better like the combinations he was throwing against bj his stand-up looked 50 better completely smooth robotic almost in his precision he was throwing that question mark kick over and over again throwing combinations to the body and then what is it the second round we really had bj fucked up i was like this is the biggest beating i think bj has ever taken no doubt about it because bj took a beating with nickz, but it was more of a prolonged bing, bing, bing, bing.

There's like a 45 second burst in the second round where he just beats the shit out of BJ. That's why I don't want BJ to fight anymore, man. The George St. Pierre beating, the Rory beating, the Nick Diaz beating. What do those three fights have in

common? 170 fucking pounds. Why is that guy fighting at 170 pounds? You go back to the BJ Penn that fought against Diego Sanchez at 155 when the Marinoviches were training him and he was a fucking savage. He was ripped. He had a full six-pack. I mean, BJ was super conditioned in that fight. Because the problem with BJ Penn is he's a fucking warrior.

He's a maniac you don't give a fuck this kid went to i mean this kid fought leoto machida for christ sakes at heavyweight at heavyweight not even at 205 you know bj is uh is this just incredibly talented freak who you know it had he worked hard you know really got into it and done you know what he could have done who knows sky's the limit for him but you know he cruised on natural ability heart and fucking huge balls and you know i just the thing is i i've had my my beefs the bj and the family but i really love and respect the kid very much and uh i don't i just i don't i don't want to see him fight anymore man he was an amazing fighter but again i don't think i think fighting is such an insane proposition that it can only be done at the highest levels for a few years.

You can only do it – somebody had a thing that they wrote online about great fighters at the nine-year point of their career. And that all these great fighters that were competing at a high level for like nine years. At about nine years, you start to see a waning and an erosion of the skills that it's almost like it's you almost like you gotta know when to walk away well age age is what kills all great athletes you know what's gonna beat anderson silva yeah age yeah he's gonna beat him that's what's gonna beat him um especially right now he's just in his fucking perfect prime bj penn has nothing to prove anymore the guy's got a bunch of money he's got a beautiful wife he's got kids just fuck it man you had your time and you uh i just you know again when people talk about joe

i don't give a fuck about money man i really don't give a fuck about money i run a business and you got to run a business and you got to run a business to you know to keep the thing alive and to keep it going and whatever but i i don't ever want to make that kind of money man i seeing bj penn fight again well you don't need to make that kind of money and let's be honest you give a fuck about money you're fucking rich what are you talking about come on you crazy bro go back to being poor again let me talk to you aside bro let me tell you pull your bro let me tell you pull you aside let me tell you we're talking nonsense you've seen his cell phone joke i honestly yeah

actually i've also seen his ferrari is it the same hey listen when you when you got money yeah there's no doubt you know things are easier i'm telling you and you can i know what you're saying all day no no what you're saying is just as fucking happy when i was broke i love what i do i love the sport and i just i i i i'm telling you i really don't give a fuck well what you don't want is that kind of money from having a guy like bj fight or having chuck fight and again or having well you can make money on those guys and by the way i'm sure chuck probably came to you and said he wants a fight again. I'm sure he has. No. After we established that it was over and he admitted to it and agreed.

After the Rich Franklin fight. He never did it again. He never asked me again. Well, that's great. Well, that's smart. That's intelligent. You mean you watched a shot that put him away in the Rich Franklin fight. You go, Chuck would have eaten 50 of those and smiled right at you in 1999 or 2000 or whatever. And he had some vicious knockouts at the end of his career.

The Rashad Evans knockout was vicious. The Rampage knockout was vicious. You know, just – Yeah, Shogun. To keep doing that is just fucking ridiculous. Shogun, Rich Franklin, yeah. And Keith Jardine dropped him hard too. Keith Jardine hurt him.

He hit him with a big punch. And that was – yeah, there's been a lot of like really crazy fights. And then you go back to fucking Pele. He fought Pele bare knuckles in Brazil. There was a net on the bottom of the ring to keep guys from scooting out. And Chuck stuffed Pele into the net. That's right. And was reaching over the back of the net

and punched him in the head. There was virtually no rules back then. He fought all those. That was crazy. They didn't have gloves on either. Yeah, they didn't have gloves. That was bare knuckle. Nothing, bare knuckle, yeah.

I don't know if Chuck's first fight in the UFC, I think they had gloves, but it was like when they were just starting to use gloves. When he fought Boxer Kid, kid forget the kid's name ramirez um i don't remember his name martinez martinez noah hernandez noah hernandez thank you very much yeah noah hernandez that was when uh and i don't i would like to to get peretti on the podcast when peretti sent me a tweet saying how come you never uh want me on your show? We had such respect for you when we hired you for the company, but you never had me on your show.

I'm like, what are you talking about? I'll have you on any day of the week. I go, tell me when you want to come on. And then I never heard from him again. I don't know why. I don't know what happened, but I'd have that guy on a heartbeat. He's a fascinating character. But he told Chuck that Chuck had to, he goes,

he found out that Chuck was a wrestler. And I had Chuck talk about it on the podcast. And he told Chuck. You know what Brady told me when I managed Chuck? What? The Mohawks played out. Nobody wants to see a Mohawk. We're not bringing him back.

I said you're not bringing him back because it was fucking Mohawk? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. So we ended up, I ended up getting him a fight uh he fought uh the fuck was that guy's name he knocked him out he was the ifc champion at the time and uh steve something remember him steve uh ifc champion he was ifc champion steve something chuck knocked him out and uh and that got him back into the ufc oh really he had to have a fight outside of it that's hilarious yeah they signed the ufc signed chuck for two and two dana two to win two to two to show two to win two to show two to win what's the status of

mma in new york right now well you know we've got a, we filed this lawsuit and we had a really good response. Basically, the district attorney or whatever could not tell the judge what the language was and why it was illegal and all this other shit. So basically, the judge said, you know, we agree. This is right. So basically the judge said, you know, we agree. This is right. They could come in here and just be sanctioned by a federation like the PKA or the, you know what I mean? Some federation and put on an event.

You guys better figure this thing out. So it was a really, really big win for us. That's great. Steve Heath. Steve Heath. What did I say? I don't remember. Say Steve something?

Yeah, maybe he KO'd him with a head kiss. Yep, Steve Heath. Knocked him out and that's what got Chuck back into the UFC, that fight. Yeah, his... Mohawk and all. His fight with Noe Hernandez was May 15, 1998. I was there. That was in Mobile, Alabama. That was interesting times, man.

That was... It's been fun. It's been a fun ride. Yeah, so were you managing him in the Noe Hernandez days? Was I? No. How much before that Steve Heath fight was it? Looks like about a year.

Yeah. So Steve Heath is when? Right before he fought Steve Heath. A little bit more than a year. Yeah. Is that the fight? Oh, that's actually almost two years. Was there a fight in between there?

Yes. There's a couple fights in between. What are the other two fights in between? He actually fought pele yeah um after that he fought noe hernandez was his first fight apparently um and that was in the ufc and then he went he fought pele over in the ivc in uh in brazil which is the fucking complete valley tudor no rules then he fought jeremy horn and he got arm triangle right after jeremy horn i started managing yeah and that's when he left what year was that that was in 99 march 5th 99 uh jeremy horn triangled him joe silva just

texted me and said king mo just got knocked the fuck out spinning back whoa whoa by who i don't know who did king mo fight damn king mo what Mo. When did King Mo get released? Did he do something crazy? Like, what happened? Well, what happened to him... It was a strike fight? Yeah, what happened was he had... He tested positive for something.

Oh, yeah. He had some kind of... He did steroids or something. And then he was on suspension. So while he was on suspension, he got the offer. And I let him go. Wow. Yeah, he just got knocked out.

God damn. Has the UFC ever thought of a different design for the octagon or played with different ideas, like more of a bowl-type thing or a backwards bowl? Was there any other revisions to the Octagon? Yeah, that's a good question. Actually, when we first started doing it, people were all freaked out about the fence, even when we bought it. They were freaked out by the fence.

It said it's terrible for television. It's just that. Could you guys put plexiglass there? Could you? They started going, how about some clear fencing so it's not black it's clear and you could see through it um is that possible all kinds of stuff clear friends we did all kinds of stuff the um you still couldn't see through the clear stuff when it was there did you ever see the thing called shoot box did you ever see that yeah where frank shamrock

did some crazy thing where they fought in like a plate it was like a plate like a giant like it was scooped up yeah and not quite like a bowl because it wasn't that like that extreme but yeah sort of yeah it was i i think yeah i think i remember that that was and then um bob myrowitz tried to bring it back right yeah was it called yama yama yama pit fighting is that what it was called yeah yeah yeah he came up with some new name for it yeah and it was like it was a cage though still but it was a cage with like a slope to it for some reason right wasn't it no i think i think it was like a pit that was in the ground i think it was actually in the ground so there was no cage at all i don't think so fuck i can't man. There's been so much shit in the last 10 years. And then Chuck Norris did that, too. Chuck Norris.

He had those kickboxing matches that were in like a bowl. That actually got on TV. Yeah, yeah. What was it called? World Combat League? Yeah, World Combat League. I actually watched some of those fights in Vegas. I went and I met Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris gave me a hug. He knew who I was. It was the greatest moment of my life. Yeah, that's cool, man. I like Chuck Norris, too. Fuck yeah, man. Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris gave me a hug. He knew who I was. It was the greatest moment of my life. Yeah, that's cool, man. I like Chuck Norris, too. Fuck yeah, man. Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is a legend.

He's a stud. I love it. I only have a few things on the DVR here, but one of them is Walker, Texas Ranger. Yeah. I got Best of Pride. I love Walker. I got UFC fights. I got a bunch of UFC fights, and I've got Walker, Texas Ranger.

I love Walker, Texas Ranger. You remember the... Wait, what was the other one? The other one was Lone Wolf McQuaid, which was the movie that he based the TV show off of. That was quite a bit better movie than the television show. It was really good. The movie was really good. You remember the movie? It's hard to find these days.

The Octagon. Yes. Where he goes and fights the ninjas. That's right. Yeah. I love that fucking movie. That was one of my favorite movies growing up. Yeah, that's right.

That was the original – I mean The Octagon. That's way pre-UFC. Try to find that fucking movie. That was one of my favorite movies growing up. Yeah, that's right. That was the original. I mean, the octagon. That's way pre-UFC. Try to find that on DVD. It's almost impossible. That term octagon is so synonymous now with the UFC. You never even thought that it had another martial arts application way, way, way, way, way back in the day. Like when you think about an octagon, an eight-sided circle, like that is the UFC now.

You think about the octagon. That's the only time I ever hear of an octagon. There's no other octagons. I don't see them. Obviously, I'm not a geometrician. What is it? Geometry guy? What is it? It's not the same thing.

Yeah, I mean octagons now UFC. That's what it is. Yeah. And you guys own that, right? Do you lease that out to people? Yep. So there's companies that actually build them and stuff. They pay us a trademark fee.

Now when you guys bought Pride, did you think about keeping the ring? Or when you were thinking about actually trying to do shows over in Japan as Pride, were you going to keep the ring and do the whole deal? Yeah, we were going to try to do it. That is the craziest story of all time. You guys paid $65 million for, eventually, a video library. Dude. The Japanese guys are so crafty. Every deal I ever did, everything that ever happened over there was fucking crazy, man.

They have a different way of living. Crazy. Yeah, it's a different world over there. Yeah. When I met you, you were this fucking regular dude with, like, a job that you were like, Oh, I don't know what i'm doing now to go from that to driving ferraris and private jets and you've managed to be the same guy how have you how have you not like lost your shit how have you not like i mean obviously

you yell at people on twitter and say a few questionable things. Yeah. But that's – I – you know, I see so many of this – so much of this stuff going. Hey, Elliot, get off the phone or shut the door, stupid. Yeah. I can't even hear it. Dude, my monkeys, I bring these fucking guys everywhere. They fuck something up. You have no idea. Doesn't he realize we're doing a fucking podcast?

Yeah. It works for you too. Yeah, you don't care. Son of a bitch. He makes your video bitch he makes your video blogs he's just talking yeah oh yeah it's a hard worker yeah oh yes oh yeah you still need to shut the fuck up damn podcast going on have you have you ever like step back and go how the fuck did this happen i mean there's not a whole lot of people that have that kind of a rags to riches story i mean that's a pretty fucking crazy story yeah you go from 2001 to being the president of this unlikely president of this company you go you were a you were like a

manager of fighters you know you had some foothold in the fight game you'd you'd done boxer size classes at one point in time the only real job i've ever fucking had was uh you know i was a bellman when i was 19 years old at a hotel in Boston. And, you know, I did some construction work, all the shit you do when you're, you know, 17, 18, 19. And that was it. One day I walked out of that hotel when I was 19 years old and said, I'm going to be

in the fucking fight business. That's it. I'm done. I'm done with this shit. I hate coming here every day. You know, every other fucking week there was some kid that just graduated college and would come in and start telling you what the fuck I can do. I was like,

I'm so done with this shit. Fight business. But thinking about getting into the fight business at 19, holy shit, like where the fuck do you even want to fight anymore? How many decisions I've made in my life that people like, that's the fucking dumbest thing I've ever heard. Like literally almost every decision I've ever made.

Did you have amateur fights? Yeah. I fought in the amateurs. And, dude, there was a time when I thought, you know, and I think that's why I can, you know, deal with the fighters. And I understand, you know, like dealing with the ultimate fighter. There was a fucking time in a day when there was the only fucking thing I cared about was boxing. There was a fucking time in a day when there was the only fucking thing I cared about was boxing. That's why I literally walked out of that place because I loved it so much that that's all I fucking wanted to do.

The problem is you go out there and you start fucking, you know, that's what I wanted to do for a living. And then the reality starts to set in and I'll never forget. I mean, I've told the story before, but I was in the gym one day, and there was this dude who was a local fighter. I don't say his name. You would probably fucking know him if I said his name. I guarantee you, you know him. Okay. Because he was famous in the Boston area, you know, like a local guy. And he came in one day, and he was like, he was in his early 30s.

He was like 31 or 32. And he was fucked, he was in his early thirties. He was like 31 or 32 and, uh, he was fucked up. You know, he was punchy. He fucking moping around, kind of throwing fucked. And I, I remember the day that I looked at him, I said, fuck, what if that happens to me? And then the minute you fucking start thinking like that, you're, you're, you're, you're not the real deal. You're not, no matter how much you think you want it or you think you're, you're not the real deal. You're not, no matter how much you think you want it or you think you do, it was the day I realized that I wasn't. And I was fucking like, wow. So then you start going, how the fuck am I going to make a living doing this? And me and this dude, Peter Welsh from Boston started, uh, you know, teaching people how to box, basically,

and businessman and stuff because the business model wasn't – for instance, like martial arts. If you want to take a martial arts class, there's fucking 50 martial arts studios anywhere in any city, anywhere in the world, and there has been since I was a kid, right? Any lack of martial arts schools around your place when you were growing up? No. But if you want to box.

But if you want to box. You got to go and fight. You got to go get your fucking head punched in. Yeah. You know what I mean? Especially, you know the places in Boston. Oh, yeah. You had the Somerville Boxing Club.

You had the fucking place down at the McDonough down in South Boston. Yeah, yeah. And the Petronelli's down in. Brockton. Yeah. And places like that. And you Petronelli's down in – Brockton. Yeah, in places like that. And you went in and they would fucking – you'd get your dick knocked loose, right? And if you came back, maybe they'd fucking work with you. Even guys that liked you would do that.

Like I got trained by Joe Lake and that's what he did with me. He just stuck me in with guys who knew how to box. That's what they all do. That's what they all do. Yeah. They do it quickly too, like right from the beginning. Find out how much you enjoy doing this. Do you really want to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's, they do it quickly too. Like right, right from the beginning. Find out how much you enjoy doing this. Do you really want to do this?

Am I wasting my time here? That's exactly right. I'm going to teach you how to throw some punches and then we're going to put your head gear on. Let me put your fucking Vaseline in your face. Get in there, kid. Show me what you got. The first time I ever went in the box, they had me do fucking ring circles.

You know what those are, right? Where you go laterally around the ring. Fucking coming in every day. They have ring circles, ring circles, ring circles ring circles ring circles and i was like what the fuck i paid my dues i paid my fucking eight bucks you know what i mean oh i fucking got mad one day i said i came here to learn how to fucking box man i've been running around in circles for fucking weeks and he's like oh you want to learn a box right yeah fucking get like fucking gear you up man love. Glove you up.

They throw you in there. And they beat the fuck out of you. Yeah. Fucking dropped me 50 times with body shots. Punching my fucking head in. The worst is the body shots. When you first start taking some body shots from a guy who knows how to throw them. And, you know, your fucking lips are bleeding.

Your nose is bleeding. You're fucked up you get out you're completely morally destroyed you know what I mean because boxing is never or sparring is never what guys think it's gonna be you know you watch too many fucking movies you go in and you think you're gonna spar and you get shit kicked out of you but then you know I went home that night and I remember laying in bed thinking the whole night, fuck, I got my ass whooped. That sucked. And I went back to the gym the next day and that was it.

Then I started working with you. Very few people actually want to fight. They just want to kick someone's ass. It's true. They don't understand. That can kick your ass too. This is not going to be an even exchange. And if you're not willing to go to war, if you're not willing to take like big shots and be in pain and push through, you're never going to do this.

This is – you have to figure out somewhere along the line whether or not you're willing to take punishment, whether or not you can take punishment. Some guys can't. So that was what our business was based on. Teaching people. Yeah, you could come into the real gym where real fighters trained and you learned how to box just like white collar box yeah so it was like you learn how to box but you didn't get your ass kicked every day but some guys you know start training for so long and get to the level where they want to start sparring but you rarely ever have white collar guys that start sparring and want to do it a fucking game because you know

like you say you get that first ass whooping and uh and a lot of times what happens is it breaks and breaks out into fights you know and uh we we had we used to we used to bring the inner city kids in too you know we had this idea we're going to bring in inner city kids and you know in southie back then it was still very segregated so we were going to bring in blacks and and Hispanics and all these other kids and bring them together. And, you know, we were going to do all the fuck we used to bring these kids in, man. And we start training them and stuff. And then as soon as guys would start sparring, you know, how many fucking situations we had where guys would come back in with bats, like there'd be a bad sparring deal, come back with bats, or they'd

come back with their brothers or some kind of just every fucking day that was so that whole you know let's bring in the inner city kids and fucking try to work it didn't go over well yeah that's playing that experiment didn't didn't work too well that's a lot of work it's interesting to see the uh the attitude you know that used to exist back then the boxing gyms and now that people are we're seeing this evolution in mixed martial arts where the beginning we saw a lot of like gym wars like that would be like a really normal occurrence in gyms where guys would just beat the fuck out of each other you hear about fighters getting knocked out in the gym left and right and left and right but now i think people are starting to

realize like whoa whoa whoa there's no fucking benefit in this like what's going on here like we're gonna we're looking at a gigantic multi multi multi-million dollar business and this is how we're treating our commodities and our prospects we're throwing them at each other and letting them blast each other and dudes are getting punchy way before their time we we both know gyms where guys they get chinny way too quick. And you go, well, how's this guy? Like this guy had an iron chin just three years ago. Well, he's taking fucking gym wars.

He's going through gym wars on a regular basis. That was shoot the box. That was the deal at shoot the box. And Shogun himself said like, we realized after doing that for a while, we can't do that anymore. That's how it was in boxing too though. When I was involved involved in boxing some of the best fights i ever saw were in the gym oh yeah you know oh hell yeah one day one day i saw uh uh livingstone bramble and roger mayweather fucking go at it at a fucking gym in vegas yeah another time wow at one of the gyms because because we all work together i worked with mayweather i worked with nick one kick um floyd when floyd

was first coming i mean we all work together in these gyms you know and uh one time there was this dude he was a heavyweight his name was tracy and him and roger mayweather fucking got into it he was tracy was a young heavyweight 24 year old kid heavyweight and roger was fucking 147 yeah in his 40s jesus roger said like what you say motherfucker fucking getting into it back and forth i go oh shit here we go and they got in the fucking ring and started fighting man and uh, they started fucking fighting. And at the end of the round when the bell went off, Tracy tried to stop. And Roger fucking lit him up. And he goes, no rounds, motherfucker.

No rounds. Wow. So they just kept fighting straight fucking through until fucking Tracy quit. Oh, my God. Roger fucking whooped his ass and he fucking quit. In his 40s. Yeah. oh my god roger fucking whooped his ass and he fucking quit in his 40s yeah and then and then when he quit roger hit him another eight nine times after he fucking quit shit and he was basically like don't have a fucking mouth off to me in this gym a 147 pound 40 year old yeah but

roger that's the black mamba yep you know a lot of people don't know roger you know a lot of people everybody knows floyd but roger his uncle in his time he was a bad motherfucker he had a piston right hand yeah he had a nasty jab and he would fucking slam that right hand in he was a bad dude for many a year i've seen some crazy shit happen in fucking boxing gyms man crazy shit over the years that's incredible that's would you ever hear about the floyd bayweather thing where like when he was dealing with those rap guys they came in and beat people up and pistol whip people and shit yeah what was that all about again at one point yo you fuck yeah i remembered i i wasn't there so i can't you know this isn't like right fucking eyewitness testimony but i i heard about it too and what I heard was the dude that was managing him at the time was like a hardcore, like real dude.

And he didn't just walk into a gym. I heard he walked into Top Rank, their gym, pistol-whipping people and fucking pulling out guns with Floyd and shit. And kind of sets just whatever their beef was, got it straightened out. Yeah, boxing. That's boxing, man. Crazy fucking business, man. That's boxing, man. Crazy fucking business, man. That's boxing. Here's the knockout right here.

Boxing is crazy. This is King Mo. Oh, shit. He got spinning back fist. Do you wish you had a 10-minute first round? Oh, look at that. Perfect. Spinning back fist.

Well, you know what? He's been playing with, he's been doing a lot of boxing. He's been training at Floyd's place. He's been working with the Mayweathers. That's great, but you've got to look out for that spinning backfist too, man. You've got to look out for these crazy fucking techniques.

He's sleeping. Well, that's a devastating technique. There's so much torque into that. That dude was ready to rear naked choke him. He was already out. He's a badass wrestler too, King Mo. I thought that he was going to have a very bright career in MMA. I remember Brian, well, he still can.

Brian Parsons, Ryan Parsons rather. Ryan Parsons is very high on that guy. He's like an unbelievable athlete. He said he'd never seen anybody just throw around like real experienced wrestlers the way King Mo could. Yeah, when that whole thing went down with him, we sat down and talked one day. We'd never met, and he's a smart guy, too.

He's an intelligent guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. I like him a lot. When you have a conversation with him, he's actually a really smart guy. You can't ever have your hands down. You can't ever have your hands down like that. I mean, being cocky being having a swagger and

everything is great but man when a guy clips you on the chin you don't see it coming the fucking the lights shut off it's not a lot you can do about the human body's design yep i agree it's amazing how some guys could just take ridiculous shots though some guys just take it's true that's the thing if you're if you're it's one of those things that you can't train. You can't fucking do. You either have a chin or you don't. How about Fabio Maldonado and Glover Teixeira? Yeah.

That crazy fucking fight. Wow. I had never seen anybody take a chin. Fucking Dan Henderson's chin. Oh, yeah. Ridiculous. As long as that guy's been around, as long as, again, when you talk about a guy who's been a fucking war dog.

40. Yeah. 40 years old. And to still still have it all still have the punch of power still have the ability to fight these guys at his age and well he's also on testosterone replacement therapy right yeah but you know listen in that yeah there is there's something in that as far as longevity and staying around but but you're either fucking good or you're not well he was awesome before he had it but there's a lot of guys that are on testosterone replacement therapy that couldn't fight a fucking lick. That's true, but it is a funky subject now, isn't it? I'm not a fan. Are you not a fan, though?

Because it allows a guy like Dan Henderson to fight. I mean, if you've got a guy like Dan Henderson who's taking it responsibly and not going over his limits and doing the exact amount he's supposed to do. If that's what was going on, yeah. Right. But I truly believe that that's not what's going on. I agree. Well, you know what?

Here's the problem. This is what I've said before about testosterone replacement therapy. Say you give a guy a bottle of whiskey and you give it to him and you say, hey, man, don't ever take more than one glass a day, okay? Here's the whole jug. What if the guy's an alcoholic? What if he's indulgent? What if he's a crazy guy? Well well a lot of people were indulging when you take shit like

that you feel like a fucking superhero man you're like wait a minute well not only just pump it up just a little bit more and let's pump it up a little bit more and you take in self-indulgent ridiculous athletes who are fighters in the first place they're crazy reckless motherfuckers and you're saying hey listen you just got a little jug of the shit laying around and a couple of needles and hey if there's only half the amount of needles that are supposed to be here who cares i'm your doctor come on i love you i like watching your fight on tv i love how these guys are doctors put my name on your shorts these testosterone guys are fucking doctors right write a prescription for you yeah i'm gonna write one right now

well it's hilarious that weed is illegal. I mean there's some people that think that weed – I've argued that weed is possibly a performance enhancement with people who smoke a lot of it. Every dude that I've ever known that smokes weed turns into a fucking zombie after he smokes weed. How could it be a performance enhancing drug? I love – dude, I love when you get into this shit because I love when you tell me these things because I don't know. Well, there's two different types of weed, first of all. There's indica and sativa. Okay.

Indica is the far more common style of weed. And what that is, it's like – it's known as like OG Kush is what people usually call it. That's like what Snoop Dogg smokes that makes you go – like real like mellow couch weed. Then there's like Carl Sagan weed. Carl Sagan weed is sativa. And sativa is much more of like an upper type of weed. It makes you want to watch documentaries. It makes you want to write.

It makes you want to go running. It makes you want to do things. Really? And a lot of people don't understand that. I've never heard that. Well, it's harder to grow. They're South American strains. And they require a different growing cycle.

They require – they're usually from where the equator. And you can only grow them indoors in America. So when you're getting these – they're low yield. They don't yield as much. They're harder to grow and you don't get as much marijuana out of it. So most of the stuff that you get is like that sleepy sort of narcotic weed. But the stuff that I get is not like that at all. Like that's why people say, well, you do so much shit and you're a pothead.

Sort of, yeah. Well, first of all, I take a lot of days off of smoking pot. I don't believe in doing anything every day. But the stuff that I smoke is not the kind of stuff that makes you tired. It's the kind of stuff that makes you think about shit. It's the kind of stuff that we're going to give you if you're Meniere's disease. Oh, my God. I'm going to straight you right in the fuck out.

My fucking head would explode. I think about too much shit already. You do. I do. We'll have you lying back looking at these constellations going, what the fuck am I doing? I'm in the fight business? Do you wish – Get out of here, the tooth.

You're being a creep. Do you wish there was the first round 10 minutes? Go sit down somewhere, man. Sit down, you fuck. Stop wandering around. Do you ever wish that you had the 10-minute first round? Now you're reading shit off the forums. No, this is something we talked about like two weeks ago and i just wondered what dana thought

about it do i ever what i want wish that that you had a 10 minute first round kind of like the the old pride date is that what they used to do no no it's great for game for uh grapplers yeah i like i like the structure where it is you get you get three five minute rounds or five five minute rounds um do you like five five-minute rounds for non-title fights though? Yeah. Do you feel like... I do if it's a main event.

I think that's the real problem that everybody had with Ronda Rousey being the main event is they wanted to see Henderson Machida in five rounds. What we were talking about

and we didn't really finish it but the real issue with the testosterone replacement therapy is that these guys can take this shit and jack themselves up through the fucking roof. Right.

While they're all there through, through, throughout training and suffer. I mean, it's really, they're not going to get any real problems if they're just doing it for six to eight weeks, they're going to be fine if they do it.

So it's not like it's a dangerous thing to them. And the benefit is pretty substantial. The benefit as far as performance, you get to hyperhuman levels. Yep. And as long as your body sustains, you don't cover faster for like training sessions. That's like that. The benefit as far as performance, you get to hyperhuman levels. Yep. And as long as your body sustains it, you don't – Recover faster from your training sessions. Like that.

Like that. And that is – that's undeniable. That's undeniable. And when you look at some guys and you see like the massive differences in their physiques and how quickly – like some of these guys, you look at like – I don't want to mention names. Let's go with Vitor for his last fight against Bisping. He looked fucking fantastic. I mean you want to have a poster board for testosterone replacement therapy. I'd be like, whatever the fuck that guy is on, give it to me because he looks fantastic.

I mean in the weigh-ins, he looked fucking shredded. He looked perfect. And the big question after that fight was everybody was like, is he going to pass the drug test? Is he going to pass the drug test? And he did. Yeah, he did. But according to people – It's not even going to pass the drug test? Is he going to pass the drug test? And he did. Yeah, he did. But according to people – It's not even that he passed the drug test.

I mean he was being monitored before the fight too. Was he being monitored like all throughout the camp? Two weeks before. Two weeks before. See, but as long as they know when – I mean I'm not accusing Vitor of anything. But I'm saying that if a fighter was – like if he was willing to bend the rules, as long as he knew when he had to come in and piss, it's not hard to super elevate your levels. That's one of the things – I know you're not a fan of Victor Conte.

But one of the things that he enlightened me on about drug testing is that the actual benefits of the steroids go far beyond the time we test positive. Let me tell you what I don't like about Victor fucking Conte, this fucking piece of shit. This fucking guy. What I don't like about victor fucking conti this fucking piece of shit he's he's this fucking guy what i don't like about him is what the tooth is over there like a fucking cia spy snapping pictures to pick dude this is my life this is my life you have no idea so this fucking guy is the biggest cheater in the history of fucking sports yet now after he gets busted and fucking rolls over on his buddies and shit wants to come out and act like he's trying to save fucking sports dude don't don't come out and start

point come on my fucking twitter and start pointing your fucking finger at me and saying oh the ufc isn't doing the this and you have fuck you well the ufc does not have the obligation to do that it's under the obligation of the vatican state athletic commission to to regulate and if they want to make more stringent rules, which they have. I mean, that's how they caught Overeem. They decided to do some random testing, and that's how – I mean, there's obviously been some movement made to try to regulate certain aspects of MMA. And our fighters – when our fighters get caught, the consequences are huge.

A year of no work. Exactly. Yeah, that's – That's what I just don't think the media and some of the fans really wrap their fucking brains around. It's devastating. It's devastating for your confidence. It's devastating for your career.

You've got to answer questions everywhere you go. It's a huge, huge, huge loss. And if it happens again, boy, then you're really fucked. Exactly. Then you're really fucked. And the fines are substantial as well. Exactly. Don't you lose your win bonus?

Sponsors, you lose everything. Yeah, you lose your win fucked. Exactly. Then you're really fucked. And the fines are substantial as well. Exactly. Don't you lose your win bonus? Sponsors, you lose everything. Yeah, you lose your win bonus. Yeah. So imagine that happening in football or baseball, as much as it can happen in MMA if you're being regulated by the government. Well, the football thing is ridiculous because there's no way you get humans that big unless they're doing something. I mean everybody knows it. I have a friend who was in competitive high school football. Now he's a technician.

He's an IT guy. Brilliant guy. But he told me they were giving him steroids in high school. He goes, I was a competitive football player and they were giving me steroids. I was like, how old were you? He was like, I was 17. I was like, that's fucking crazy. Who else on your team was on steroids?

He goes, we were all on steroids. I go, what the fuck are you saying? Your coach was giving you he goes yeah he goes we were in a serious like it was a very competitive team and then they let us know what we needed to do if we wanted to get bigger and stronger and we're all like what like you and so like when you're 16 and 17 your coach says do you want steroids you're like um yeah coach I want to win in Las Vegas during high school when when i was in high school it was a doctor in town you went and got in his weight gain program weight gain program they call it and what do they do they would they would give you injections and pills you took both shots and pills in high school that crazy holy shit i had a kid that i went to high

school that went that was on roids he was um i don't want to say his name very nice guy turned i years later i saw him and he just shriveled up he weighs like 160 pounds now but when we were in high school everybody was terrified of this kid he was like 250 pounds five foot seven okay he was fucking maybe five 5'8", gigantic. I mean, just huge stretch marks all over his chest. His arms were enormous. I don't know what he was taking, but he was on some super hyper elevated levels. He was playing football. And this guy just juiced it to the gills.

And everybody kind of knew, but it was not a like- Fuck, in the 80s, man, everybody was on steroids, man. But this was, I was in high school. We didn't know anybody else that was doing it. How old are you am 45 45 so i graduated in 85 yeah i was 87 this guy was um he was a year older than me and um he was on the football team and everybody knew that he was on steroids but no one else knew anybody else it wasn't like there was like a whole epidemic of people on steroids but there was this one guy that was just unbelievably ridiculously big and aggressive and he like he kept it up for like a few years and then just got off the shit

and just shriveled up to like nothing and everybody's like what the fuck happened and he didn't really talk about it and it was it was very strange but for a short period of time this 17 year old kid was 200 fucking and whatever pounds of just shredded muscle coming out of his head i mean it was incredible what they were willing to do to this kid it was like that in vegas every every single school in vegas was competitive with football man they say it's a real issue with high school kids these days because they know about it especially football players man kids who play football you know it's just being bigger is being better. Yeah. That's a, and there's a real lottery in that. I mean, if you're a, an impoverished kid

in a bad community and you can, you know, if you're big, you're six foot four and you can fucking run, man. Jesus Christ. Football's your big ticket. Sure is. Yeah. You watch football. You go to a good high school, you go to a good college, you go to a good college. Maybe you can go to the NFL or at least get an education. And good high school, you go to a good college. You go to a good college, maybe you can go to the NFL or at least get an education. And it's just there's so much at stake. One of the craziest things I've ever heard about football is that 80% of the NFL players are bankrupt within two years of retiring.

80%. And 60% of NBA players. 80%. And you deal with the impacts, the head impacts in football. There's certainly head impacts in MMA, but the head impacts

in football are dudes running at each other. Running. Full clip, 300 pound men slamming into each other. Who run as fast as track stars. Spiking each other in the fucking head. Going helmet to helmet. Yeah.

Lighting each other up. My son plays football. My son's a quarterback. Both my sons do. One's a quarterback. Does that scare you? And the other one plays defense. Yeah.

People always ask me. I'm like, I'd rather have my kids fight. Yeah. Yeah, I would. And they do fight. No doubt. They fight too. But I'd rather them fight than play football.

What are you going to do? Yeah. My oldest son is a lunatic. It's all he cares about is football. It's all he wants to do. It's all he cares about. Has he had any concussions? He didn't get that from me.

It's just what he loves. Has he had any concussions? Not that I'm aware of. No, he hasn't. Do you know that there's been – I know you love your gambling. You're a crazy gambling motherfucker, right? Yeah. Do you know that there's a direct correlation between gambling and brain damage?

Really? Yeah. Well, that's funny you say that. Did you ever thought about that? Yeah. No. You know, what's funny is when I went to – when that whole Tito thing was happening, I had to go in and get full medicals done.

So from – the only times I've been punched in the head, you know. Probably a lot, right? A lot. A lot. And, you know, I went in and I did have – I had spots on my brain. Whoa. Yeah. So when –

What does that mean? It's just, you know, it's trauma that's – damage that's been done to you from being punched, you know. And whether you play football or you boxed or you did mixed martial arts or whatever it is, any type of blows to the head, prolonged blows to the head for years. So I was getting punched in the head until I was 31 years old. Then I didn't do anything for maybe three or four years. And then I'll tell you what, man, getting ready for that Tito fight fucked me up bad, man. I really hurt myself bad. A lot of people don't even know what that was.

You had made some sort of a deal with Tito. If you re-signed him, you would box him. Tito put in a contract that if he came back and we did this new deal, part of the deal was that me and him had to fight in a boxing match, three-minute rounds. So you agreed to it it and then you started training i remember you were you were still managing the ufc right and you were bringing guys out with you and you were telling me about these fucking wars that you would get in these sparring sessions with these animals like real yeah i brought in heavyweights i brought in real heavyweights guys boxers real heavyweight kids that were you know there was one kid that was how old were you huh how old was 37 it was 37 when i did this dude i'm telling you right now i'd be sitting in my

fucking office right and i kept you remember that's that movie three o'clock high where the kid's gonna kick the dude's ass after school he's trying to get out of fucking getting his ass kicked i'd be looking at the clock i go oh my god oh, my God, it's fucking 1 o'clock. Those dudes are going to be here in two hours because I would spar at 3 o'clock, and I sparred every fucking day in the middle. Once I got in shape and I was sparring with these heavyweight real – we brought in professional boxers that I was sparring with, and I'm telling you, man, I fucking –

then the day for me to get my license, for me to get my license, the commission had to see me box. So they wanted to know who I was boxing with that day. So I brought in this kid, this heavyweight. I'm going to have to ask Kipper Kelp what his name was, but he's still fighting today. He just fought for, I think he was, I think he's ranked number six in the world right now. I think he's ranked number six in the world right now. And this kid came in, and that's the kid I sparred with that day. And we had a fucking war because the commission was watching.

I wanted to make sure these guys gave me a license. And this dude wasn't taking it easy on me. This guy was fucking putting it to me. I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Is he trying to kill me right now? Is he trying to make me not get the license? So I said, fuck it. We got to go all out of here or these guys aren't going to fucking license me. So he was trying to kill me right now is he trying to make me not get the license so said fuck it we got to go all out of here i'm or these guys aren't going to fucking license so he was trying to show off they didn't they didn't want to license me anyway right i mean this whole thing

i i really kind of got a bad relationship with some of the commissioners through me getting this license to fight tito it wasn't a good thing so we had a fucking war that day, me and this guy. I mean, fucking dropping bombs on each other, right? So when it was over, my nose was so fucked up after getting ready for that Tito fight that I had to go have surgery and snore like a beast. And I don't know if you can tell when you look at me. I got like red lines. See like the red lines on the outside of my nose? I don't know why the fuck that's there, but it didn't used to be there and now i snore like crazy i already had a surgery

the surgery didn't it didn't work it was like but man that tito thing you will you that was my last hurrah you had deviated septum surgery it didn't work didn't work man mine worked great i had a great doctor i'm glad to hear that oh it's amazing mine sucked actually made my nose wider though it's funny i like look at photos makes sense something they like widen my nose somehow yeah but it's so much better man i go back to how it used to be most of my life i couldn't breathe out of my nose yeah i broke my nose when i was five i fell down a flight of stairs and from then a lifetime of martial arts boxing and wrestling it it was just mashed. The inside was all fucked up. And yours is still like that.

Yeah. I'd go in again, man. I'd get a better doctor. I'm done with surgeries. Fuck that shit. Really? I'll snore. Fuck that.

I'm going to get the mouthpiece like you told me. I keep saying I'm going to do it. I just don't do it. You need that. Yeah, you have a sleep apnea, too. Yeah, I got it bad. I don't sleep at all, bro. I don't sleep at all.

You need to sleep or you can die. Yeah. That shit ain't good for your heart, son. I know. What are you doing? Crazy? Come on. You all got money now you got resources we're all gonna die yeah we don't have to die this way yeah look you're drinking some green shit over there you must be at least thinking about your health you you're basically worrying about your i put on a diet yeah yeah i gotta i'm on this diet because of the ear what does it do what is the uh gotta stay away from salt and all kinds. There's all kinds of shit that triggers this thing.

Salt's good for you. Not for me. It's bad for me. Yeah, it's probably sodium and food. Salt. But actual natural salt. Caffeine. Caffeine.

All that shit triggers this ear. Alcohol. All the fun shit. Really? Yeah, all the fun stuff. Cake? How about cake? Cake fuck you up?

I haven't eaten. I've seriously for like... I've lost 18 pounds in the last four weeks. alcohol all the fun shit really yeah all the fun stuff cake how about cake cake fuck you up i haven't i haven't eaten i've seriously for like i've lost 18 pounds in the last four weeks well it makes sense that keeping your body healthy would stop the meniere's disease plus i'm just doing everything i can to to try to kick this thing and get healthy again did the boxing accentuate it did it make it worse when you started training for the tito fight yeah oh no well i didn't have it then i had i had it it was for me, but I didn't actually have them. I didn't get them in years. My first attack was not this past Christmas, but the Christmas before.

Well, what do you think brought it on? It's just time and, you know, all the stuff that happened in Boston and, yeah, the accumulation of punches over the last, you know, however many years. But, yeah, I have spots in my brain when I went in for that thing. When you do this for a living, it's not like you don't know that there's risks. I always knew there were risks the whole time that I was doing it. But it was what I loved to do. If I could go back and do it all again, I wouldn't change one thing.

Wow. I might have turned down the Tito fight. do you know if i could go back and do it all again i wouldn't change one thing wow i might have turned down the tito fight but just yeah the um brain damage seen in chronic chronic gamblers it's uh there's been a lot of studies on that lately that they don't know why but they there's a direct correlation between people who have suffered brain damage and loving to gamble. I can tell you this. I was a gambler before I ever had brain damage. I'll tell you that. Were you really?

Oh, yeah. I've always loved gambling since I was a kid. I grew up in Vegas, bro. I used to go to the casinos and literally – you could fucking hang out in casinos back in the old days. You didn't get chased out like you do today. There's so many more rules and regulations in Vegas than there used to be when I was growing up there. You're talking early 80s, like 1980, 81, stuff like that. So you were like, you had left Boston by then?

We moved, my family lived in Boston. We moved to Vegas when I was in third grade. So I consider myself really from Vegas because that's where I really grew up. But then you went back to Boston. Went back to Boston when I was 17. I moved back there. I didn't really from Vegas because that's where I really grew up. But then you went back to Boston. I went back to Boston when I was 17. I moved back there. What happened? I didn't really move back there.

I went back there on vacation and I just fucking stayed. I was having a blast back there. I said, fuck it. I'm going to stay. So I just stayed. Wow. Fuck staying in Boston. But I used to go into the casinos and watch guys play big money.

Just watch guys play big money. Watch these guys going, holy shit. What's the most money you've ever gambled? That's 50 grand. What's the most money you've ever gambled? The most I've ever lost in one night? $8, $10. How much?

Okay, what's the most you've ever lost in one night? A million bucks. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. How'd you sleep? Pretty good. Elliot's been with me for some crazy ones. How much you sleep? Pretty good. Elliot's been with me for some crazy ones. How much is it?

What's the most you've ever won? Six million. Oh, Jesus. Do you want six million in a night? Six million bucks. Oh, my God. Is it true that the reason why we don't go back to the Palms is because they cut back your gambling budget because you were killing them? Yeah.

Really? Yeah. That seems ridiculous. I got into it, but that's the way Vegas is now. But that sounds ridiculous that they would do that with you. But that's the way Vegas is now. These guys, the way the economy is and stuff, Vegas ain't what it used to be, brother. You look at the wind, go try to play big money at the wind.

Really? All their pussies. It's fucking crazy. Did you see what happened in Vegas today? There's all these people dead. Really? All their pussies. It's fucking crazy. Did you see what happened in Vegas today? There's all these people dead. What? There was a shootout right on the strip

and a rapper's dead and like three people are dead. Who's the rapper? His name is Kenny Cherry Jr., a rapper also known as Kenny Clutch. Have you heard of him?

No. Me neither. But yeah, there's all the... Where? Where did it happen? I believe it was right in front of Bellagio. Whoa.

Oh, a big shootout happened and people just started getting shot? Yeah. How many people got shot? It started around 4.20 a.m., a dispute in the valet lot of the Aria Hotel about a block away. And then the driver was hit. The Maserati continued into the intersection of the boulevard and Flamingo Road and collided with a taxi, which caught fire. Jesus Christ. Sounds like a movie.

Three other people died in it. Whoa. Holy shit. That is freaky. Do you remember when the NBA All-Star game came to Vegas and there's fucking crazy murders and shootouts and shit? Dude, I was there. I'm telling you. I was actually funny because it was the bellagio when that thing was there i was at the bellagio and

it was just it was bad man it was like just just a bad vibe in there and it was weird what happened it was a crazy week i don't know it's just i'll tell you what it felt like it felt like the night that we i i was at the tyson holyfield fight when he fucking bit his ear and all that shit the night Tupac got shot. Dude, I was fucking there that night, and it was bad. I mean, they didn't report how bad it really was. People were fucking grabbing chips off the table. People were jumping on top of the tables. I remember when we walked out of the fight, somebody took and threw the program, slapped them out of the guy's hands and people were just going fucking crazy it's weird and and people who are listening might have been in this

situation before especially canadians and shit because of fucking hockey but when a riot starts to break out it is a creepy weird feeling man but i can't explain it and people who have been in it will understand what i'm talking about you feel it starting to happen and i was like we got to get the fuck out of here man um and we uh we got out we started it felt like a bad it felt like a wave was coming behind us and just shit was going on everywhere and then we got out just in time before they locked that place down yeah they don't fuck around in vegas man i remember when we were in vancouver and then there was the riots right after we left the hockey riots right that was right after we left that was fucking crazy right because that was the first time there was like real accountability for that shit where they got photos of everybody doing like hey asshole we know who you are asshole, we know who you are. And they went after all these guys.

They were like regular college kids. Yeah, these days with all the cameras. The other thing, I like going to Celtic-Laker games, man, in L.A. It's awesome. It's the best. I love doing it. So for Game 7, last time that the Lakers played the Celtics in the championship, I was there for game seven.

Celtics are winning the whole game. They end up losing at the end, right? So we leave, and we're leaving, and we're starting to drive away. They fucking won, all right? People are jumping on cars. People started, you know, you're in traffic getting out of there, and people are just jumping on your fucking car. Yeah. And jumping from car to car.

I was like, holy shit, this is crazy. So we go over to this restaurant that's down the street, The Palm, and jumping from car to car. I was like, holy shit, this is crazy. So we go over to this restaurant that's down the street, The Palm, and we're going to go over there and eat. And I get out of the car and all these people out there, all these Laker fans, are like, Dana White, what's up, Dana White? You're a fucking Celtics fan, aren't you? I said, huh?

I don't even fucking watch basketball, man. I'm here to eat. I'm fucking pretending I wasn't even there for the game. I'm fucking getting in a riot with the fucking Laker fans. Are you kidding me? Get me the fuck out of here. Didn't the Dodgers beat the shit out of some fucking kid that was a Giants fan? Killed him. Or no, crippled him, right?

Yeah, he's really, really, really fucked up. Yeah, that's a thing that fucking, that thing that happens after games. In L.A. it happens a lot. They light cars on fire and flip them over and shit even if they win yep it's like they're looking for an opportunity to do something really crazy and fucked up i almost died at the last ufc because you tweeted uh tickets at mandalay bay and there was just this roar coming down the hallway and i turn around and there was probably a good 200 people running down the hallway of Mandalay Bay. Yeah.

We've had some bad situations with tweeting tickets. I usually try to control it as best I can. The worst ever was in Toronto. Toronto was really scary. We had a bad situation up there where people just went fucking crazy and were trying to rush in. I'm looking down and I see these girls in there too and they're getting smashed. It's freaky.

It is freaky. It's such big there too and they're getting smashed. It's freaky. It is freaky. It's such big people too usually. A lot of big people coming my way. Yeah, the last time you want to fight, the last place you want to start a fight is in the crowd at UFC. It's so true, man. You never know who the fuck is in there. 90% of them train. So true.

It's funny because you say that. I was driving the other day and uh and i and i had one of my buddies in the car right and i and i said you see that dude at the light and this fucking dude was lanky skinny as hell glasses on fucking pasty white fucked up hair guy looked like the biggest fucking dork you've ever seen in your life right it's just dude that you would you know and i said to my buddy that dude would whoop your fucking ass you realize that right he's like what are you talking about that fucking drove away they had a big jujitsu sticker on the back of his car like he goes to one of the jujitsu schools you know that's one of those dudes that like a joe lozano

or one of those type of guys you'd be like or who's the other kid that used to fight for us and his whole yes his him and no the other one there were to fight for us? Dustin Hazlett? Yes. Him? No, the other one. There were two brothers. His whole thing was kind of like being a nerd, that he looked like a nerd, but he was a badass dude. I think he came from Franklin's place. Oh, yeah, the barn cat. Yeah. Yeah.

Fucking goddammit. Hold on. So those kids that look like, you know, if they said anything to you, you'd be like, dude, I'll whoop your ass. Those are the guys that will put you in a fucking coma. Yeah. I always look at the ears. Tamden McCrory. Tamden McCrory. Tamden McCrory.

Tamden McCrory was a bad motherfucker. He was a tough kid. What is he doing these days? Yeah. I don't know where he's at. He was tough. There's so many guys in and out. I mean, we've seen so many fighters.

How many fighters did you guys just cut? I think it was like 15. I think 15 guys. Oh, shit. A lot of people got bummed out at some of them, right? Like Fitch. People got bummed out at Fitch. Yeah. If there's one you really want to make a case for, it's Fitch. You know what I mean 50 guys. Oh, shit. A lot of people got bummed out at some of them, right? Like Fitch. People got bummed out at Fitch. Yeah.

If there's one you really want to make a case for, it's Fitch. You know what I mean? Yeah. But this is nothing new. This didn't just start. I mean, we can just say, oh, you know, we're going to start cutting guys. Guys get cut every event. Every event we have, there's two things after every event.

There's a list of guys that their contracts are almost up and need to be resigned, and there's a list of guys that are getting cut. Is there a way to make more fights? Is it a saturation point right now? No, I mean, that's what's funny because everybody's like, there's too many fights, there's too many fights, you fucking got too many. What the fuck are you talking about?

There's too many fights. There's too many football games. As long as we're putting on good fights, people will want to watch them. That was one of the big problems with our other television deal. They couldn't handle our content. As we continue to grow, we've got more and more content that we need, meaning we need to put more fights on TV. They couldn't handle the load.

You mean the Spike TV deal as opposed to Fuel and FX and Fox. Right. Fox can handle the amount of fights that we want to do. There's a pool hall I go to and they have FX on or Fuel on all the time and it's just fucking fights. Fuel is like the UFC network now. Fuel has become an awesome fucking channel. If you sit down, if you ever used to watch Fuel back in the old days, it seemed like this. You watch Fuel now, it's fucking badass badass it's such a really good network if you love the ufc yeah you gotta watch fucking fuel i was there at this uh pool hall the other day and they had the best

of 2012 on it was like short attention span theater it was just bang bang bang like highlight wheels not even the fights but the highlights of these fights so it's just insanity after it was so hard to pay attention to pool because it was just like head kick strangled fucking takedown boom boom boom just chaos it is it's awesome the other thing that they had on me and lorenzo were in this meeting and lorenzo's office and he's got this huge fucking tv over on the side right and fuel was on and it was and it was like the Pride's greatest knockouts ever. And then we're sitting there, and we're trying to talk, and I keep looking over at the fucking TV.

I'm like, oh, shit, I forgot about that one. And then we start watching the fucking knockouts for a minute, and then we get back to the meeting. I'm like, dude, turn this fucking TV off. We can't even fucking talk in here. And it's just awesome. And it's fight scene, too. But the thing is, when you see that old Pride – because we used to watch Pride.

Back when the office was – we own the whole building now. But it used to be Fertitta Enterprises, Gordon Biersch, and then I had a fucking broom closet over on the side over for the UFC. And we used to have this – his dad had this big library. It was fucking awesome. It was all pimped out. They had Gordon Biersch on tap and shit, and it was really cool. And we used to go there, and we used to watch all the pride fights. And so when you see those old pride fights, you know, it's fun, man.

And I was the biggest fucking Sakuraba fan, man. I was such a huge fan of Sakuraba. Yeah, I was a huge, huge pride fan. You know, they offered me a job as a commentator in Pride before I worked for you guys. And they offered me when I was at your after party. The Pride people came up to me. I'd like to talk to you. You, American celebrity, do commentary for Pride.

But I do. Come over here. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. I'm not going to Japan. japan definitely not doing that dude it was crazy it's it's i'm really surprised uh with all the stories that i hear and the stuff that i just know myself about pride that more the more the fighters will talk to me about what went down in pride and the stuff that fucking happened i don't ever hear him talk about it publicly well we had ensign on the, and he was telling us the whole Yakuza connection. It was fascinating.

Listen to him tell about what it was like working back then, working for these guys. He became friends with all these Yakuza guys and got in with all the Yakuza. That's how they run things over there. That's the price of doing business. And Pride was just completely interconnected with it. It's a part of history. But no more a part of history than the UFC. Do you ever stop and think about how crazy it is that you're a part of this thing that, like I said before, just sort of exploded onto the popular culture that didn't exist

before. When we were kids, there was different martial arts. There was judo and karate and all this shit. And no one knew what the fuck was the best thing. And everybody had their own beliefs. But to have from 1993 to 2013, so this 20-year gap that we've seen, we've seen the evolution of martial arts just completely change. And this sport just explode into the mainstream. And you're at the front of it.

Like, that's a wild ride, dude. That's a wild ride for a regular guy. When I met you, I was on TV. You were a fucking regular guy. I was a boxing manager. And all of a sudden, you're like a celebrity now. And you're like a part of the host of The Ultimate Fighter. But somehow or another, you've seamlessly sort of smoothly operated through this strange thing.

But you're still the same guy. No, I appreciate that. Every other word is fucking. You're this fucking guy with this fucking. Let me fucking tell you about fucking Victor Conte. You're the same guy. I mean, that's the same guy that I could have talked to in 2001. We could have had the same conversation.

I mean obviously you've grown. You've learned. You've evolved. I'm not saying you're like you're stunted. You're gross. But I'm saying you're the same. It's not like I don't even know Dane anymore. You and I have never even had an argument.

Ever. Not even close. I mean that's kind of crazy too. argument. Ever. Not even close. I mean, that's kind of crazy too. Yeah. You're the same dude. Yeah, but the reason that you and I have never had an argument is because you're a fucking good guy. You're a solid guy.

You're a fucking stand-up guy. Your word is your fucking word. When you say you're going to do something, you do it. Um, you know, uh, every, however long it is, we renegotiate your fucking contract and we, we re up you. There's shit that I'll fucking call you up and say, dude, I need a fucking favor. And you do a favor. And there's times when you say, dude, I need a favor and I'll give you the favor, but you operate like a fucking real guy and you're a real guy too. Um, and that's really all it takes to be whatever. But the fact that you say that I'm the same guy, it means a lot to me. And that's really all it takes to be whatever. But the fact that you say that I'm the same guy, it means a lot to me. And I appreciate that when, when, when, when people say

that, but you know, there's a lot of, there, there's a lot of myths out there about me. And there's a lot of things that are really true. The, the, the, the myths are that he's this fucking tyrant that, you know, he wants to go out and destroy people's lives and wants to do this and that and all this other shit and then there's guys who fuck with us you know if you want to pick a fight with us right then we're gonna fucking this is a big difference people understand have to understand that there's a big difference between someone who's an asshole and someone who just doesn't like to be fucked with there's a big difference you're i mean and i'm just i'm not just saying this because you're here. You're a remarkably nice person. I've seen you deal with fans, and this is like, oh, you're kissing your boss's ass on the podcast.

Right, exactly. Dude, if anybody says anything nice about me, you're kissing my fucking ass. It's the truth. But that situation, you've handled you've handled it remarkably well you know remarkably well but when you get fucked with you go crazy and you go overboard but there's no doubt about it and i'll admit you go to war there's no doubt and i will admit to that it's it's probably i don't know if it's i don't know if it's my biggest flaw or my biggest strength i called dana white and it was like i don't know what time it was. It was late at night.

And I said, I guess you're fucking celebrating right now. It was right after Josh Barnett pissed positive and they canceled the Fedor fight. And you were like, what? I'm gambling right now. What the fuck is going on? Yeah, I remember that like it was yesterday, man. I'm fucking sitting at the thing playing cards, man. And I don't ever answer my fucking phone. And I'm like, oh, fuck.

Rogan's calling me. Why the fuck would Rogan be calling me? This can't be good so you told me he's like he pissed i'm like what like you went crazy i left i left my fucking chips on the table and walked the fuck out of the place i remember you called me we're shutting him down we're buying him out we're taking him over we're doing domination that's it it was like her it was like conan music what did i say to you that night when you called me? I said, you're fucking kidding me. That's it. They're done.

They're dead. That was it. Josh Barnett just killed them. It was that. It was a lead-up. There's been so many different times over the past where you've gone to war with whoever was running whatever organization that was trying to fuck with you guys. Every guy has had the same MO that we've done it with. They all come out and talk shit about us. They said, yeah, these guys don it's and it's every guy has had the same mo that that we've done it with they all come out and talk shit about us they said yeah these guys don't fucking run it right we're actually going to be good to the fighters and treat them good and we're going to what the

fuck are you talking about the ifl this wasn't that they're the rap that was the fucking funniest one ever those guys were fucking hilarious arizona wolverines the silverbacks they tried to be a bunch of different teams. That was fucking hilarious. Well, everybody has to try to figure out their own slice of the pie. But that one was funny. That one was actually fucking funny. It is funny.

But here's what's unnecessary. To compete, you don't have to talk shit. You don't. All you have to do, I mean, I've even heard Bellator talk shit. Why would you do that? No, no, no. Let's be fair here. Let's be fair.

Bellator has made a couple of offbeat fucking comments. You know what I mean? And it happens. It was the fucking PR guy over at Spike, David Schwartz. He's the fucking guy. He did some fucking punk-ass shit last season of The Ultimate Fighter. What did he do? he did some fucking punk ass shit last season of the ultimate fighter. And, uh,

what did he do? So what he was doing was every time the ratings would come out, he would send all the fucking, oh, the media fucking told me, you think they're not going to fucking tell me that you dick, you know what I mean? They tell me what this guy was doing.

And I was like, all right, what was he doing? He was sending them all the ratings. Oh, you have, it's tanking. It's fucking tanking.

Oh, okay. Yeah. The ultimate fighter doesn't work. No, let's it's tanking. It's fucking tanking. The Ultimate Fighter doesn't work over there. Let's explain it to everybody. This was when you guys had already been on your way out. So everybody understands when we found out that we weren't doing a deal, my beef is not with Bellator or Bjork or any of those guys over there. Not my beef.

His name is Bjorn. Bjorn. It's not my beef with there. Not my beef. His name is Bjorn. Bjorn. It's not my beef with them. That guy's never really said anything. He's had a couple of little things that he's said, you know. And that's the whole spike, you know, we want to. There's a guy, his name is Philippe Dumont, okay. This guy runs Viacom.

Viacom, the two guys who run Viacom couldn't get along he got split down the middle uh he runs Viacom which is Spike MTV Comedy Central Nickelodeon and all that stuff Les Moonves runs CBS okay so this guy Philippe Dumont, we start our negotiations for our new contract. And this guy basically says to us, here's the deal. Sign it by tomorrow or fuck you. What the fuck kind of shit is that? This is after all those years of being in business? Yeah.

And I have a great working relationship with Spike, with Kevin Kay, with Doug Herzog, the guy who runs Comedy Central and Spike, so this guy's like, yeah, fuck you, we built you, and we'll just build another one, you know, and the way that we are, we're like, fuck you, the fuck do you think you're talking to, you fucking, you know what I mean mean you fucking built the ufcu piece of shit no you fucking didn't you know and so we knew we weren't signing with these guys we knew we weren't signing so as soon as we're not signing they shut the faucet off all the things that we used to be able to do on spike was done six months before we were even gone right so we go out and start shopping around we start talking to all the big guys we end up doing this deal with with uh fox right we end up doing this great deal

with fox they're the greatest guys in the world everything's great and now these guys start acting like fucking uh uh crazy ex-girlfriend you know mean? Like, they wanted us and we went with somebody else. So what were they doing? No, you fucking shit on us and disrespected us and treated us like fucking assholes and then said, you built the UFC. But this is all this one guy, though. Yeah, that one guy. Yeah, Philippe Dumont. So...

How does a guy get to be a head of Viacom? How does that work? I don't know how that works. His real name is Philly. He's from fucking New Jersey. What? Okay. Wait a minute. Yeah, Philippe Dumont. Sounds like he's from fucking New Jersey. What? Okay. Wait a minute. Yeah. Philippe Dumont. Sounds like he's from fucking France or something, right? Are you serious? Yeah.

Wait a minute. His name is not Philippe? Yeah. It's Phil. He's from New Jersey. He makes people call himself Philippe? Did you make that up? I bust his balls.

I don't know. Did you make that up? What? I like that. Let's run with that. Put it online, ladies and gentlemen. So Jerry Rice, what was his name? The guy from Jerry Millen?

Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't that true with him? Where the fuck is that guy yeah exactly but didn't that guy what didn't like boss rootin said that that wasn't his real name like it changed his name oh yeah yeah yeah i did i did hear that oh me and him yeah let me tell you well i know we've had some the whole thing with your mom yeah exactly that's sick fuck that i wouldn't do that to my worst enemy. Yeah. Interviews your mom. Yeah. No, they did some low shit, man.

Other competitors have tried to do shit. It's apparent my mom will go as low as she can go. Anybody who wants to try to whatever, it's just... That's got to be cute. So we end up doing this deal with Fox, and these guys start acting like we did something wrong to them. And even the guys at Spike, like David Schwartz. I worked with this guy for six years. And now you're really going to do that to us?

You're going to send out these things and put out these – when people don't know? Do you think he was probably trying to protect his job and maybe a guy like Philippe Dumont was telling him to do something? No, no, no. Philippe doesn't fucking – he's not. He says, let's do this and they make this decision to buy this thing and do whatever. He's not involved in the day-to-day at Spike. They spent $50 million for Bellator. I don't know about that.

You don't know about that? But a lot of people don't really – there was a lot of – do you think that – I don't know how much money the Bjorn guy put in himself. But there were a lot of investors. And Viacom had to go buy out all the investors. Right. Well, what $50 million? I don't know. It depends on what number.

I don't believe that number. Do you think Viacom is running it now? Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. Oh, yeah. So is Bjorn a figurehead? Those guys are – they own the majority of the company. They're making the decisions over there.

I'm sure that guy is over there putting together fights and doing whatever. But let me tell you what. There's a guy over there. What the hell is his name? There's a guy over there. Let me remember. He's a fucking super sharp dude at Viacom. Guy over there at Viacom that's double, triple sharp.

Too bad you can't remember his name. I know. I'll remember. You got some respect for the guy. Yeah, I know, but I'm so bad. What's he look like? I'm so bad with names. Red hair, black eyes.

This is the guy with Viacom. He's one of the high up guys. God, what's his name? I was just talking about him the other day, but this guy's super smart. And I guarantee you, if there's anybody that's involved in trying to figure out how to build this thing, he's the guy that's in there doing it. Yeah, it's a fascinating thing to see him. I like Jimmy Smith.

I think he does a great job over at Bellator, and I think they've got some good fights. But it's so interesting seeing how the UFC has become like Kleene become, it's become like Q-tips. Let me tell you what, it's not even, it's not even that. But it has. Yeah, no, I agree. But what people don't realize is how hard we work at this. It's like we get in that office in the morning and we're there till fucking late at night and everything we do, we're absolute crazy about, man.

And while building the business and dealing with all the goofy shit that happens every day, putting out fires and things that just happen, dealing with the fucking culinary union scumbags and all that stuff, you know, we still have to grow the business. We still have to get out there and do deals. And it's crazy, man. It just never stops. This thing is like a little baby that you just can't leave alone. You have to take care of it 24-7. Yeah, it's a crazy business. And the fucker never sleeps. People don't know the culinary business thing.

If folks don't know what you're talking about, the culinary union has been trying to get the UFC shut down because the UFC is owned by Zufa, which is owned by the Fertittas, who also own Station Casinos, which are non-union. The culinary union would stand to profit how much? The number is like $11 million a year. $11 million a year if they can get Station Casinos. So they just constantly torment the UFC. Every day. Every day something goes out.

Right before I left here, there was a flyer that came out where they took a quote from Chael Sonnen. And, you know, it was Chael on one of his rants at a Q&A. And they put together a flyer and they send it out to sponsors, television networks, everybody. And they do this every day. And I'm a fucking goldmine for them. So I'm in every one of their flyers. They created a website about me and everything. But it's amazing that anybody would even listen to them at this point in time.

How much pull does a color agent need to have? They're losing tons of respect. Because of this. Yeah. Well, it's so transparent. Oh, there's no doubt. And as we continue to talk to a lot of the sponsors and television networks and everything that happens, they actually can't stand the union now. Well, it's gangsterism.

Oh, dude. These guys actually have gangster roots. These guys literally, I'm going to pull up the lineage of the Las Vegas Culinary Union. I want to get it to you. It would be great for you to read. Gangsters killing people and, yeah, literally gangsters. There's 11 million a year and them going union. And the workers at the casinos don't want this apparently?

Is that the case? Exactly. Is that what they say? Exactly. There's a story even about the MGM how they ended up coming to some deal with the union. So what they do is they let the union come into the hotel to get people to sign up. It took four years. They're in the fucking kitchen down where the people every day, terrorizing the people to sign.

Whoa. Yeah, it's a fucking nightmare, man. Bad people. They're bad people. Well, Vegas has a massive history. Then they start, like, for instance, man, fucking Mandy Moore, right? Mandy Moore is one of the sweetest people you could ever meet. Yeah.

One of the nicest fucking people and one of the most unlikely UFC fans on earth, right? Right. Fucking sweetheart. One of the nicest fucking people and one of the most unlikely UFC fans on earth. Right? Fucking sweetheart. The girl is, if you ever talk to her, there's not a bad bone in her fucking body. These fucking piece of shit scumbags start hammering Disney. Going, because you know she did that movie Tangled. How could you be in business with somebody like Mandy Moore who supports the UFC? And did you know that they're against gay people? And did you know that they're against gay people?

And did you know that they fucking hate black people? And did you know that they hate fucking yellow people? And did you know that they're this, that? And did you know that the guy who runs it swears and he's like a bald Nazi? And like all this fucking shit they send to Disney about Mandy Moore. What kind of a fucking piece of shit do you need to be to fucking do that to Mandy Moore. What kind of a fucking piece of shit do you need to be to fucking do that to Mandy Moore? Well, Vegas is a strange, strange place.

And the fact that that can still exist in a place like Vegas. Vegas has so much old school about it when it comes to that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's true. And these people are so scummy. You like living there, don't you? I do.

I always think about doing a weekly show. I think about like if I had like a weekly show at a casino, like I could do like a smaller casino or like a hard rock type of a thing and have some kind of a weekly show. What would that be like, man? I think you should do it. Would I be able to live in Vegas? I think you could. Yeah, but I don't think I could live there. Oh, you mean live there?

No, I could never live there. Joe, let me tell you what. If you lived in Vegas, you could set up a shop just like this. You know, even bigger and better. It'd be cheaper. There's no taxes. You know you pay no state tax there, right? Yeah, but you've got to live in Vegas.

Right, but when you live there, you can stay away from the strip and all that shit and not even know you're there. It's like being near Chernobyl. You're going to get the residual. You're going to get the black rain of Vegas. It's not true. The dark you're there. It's like being near Chernobyl. You're going to get the residual. You're going to get the black rain of Vegas. The dark lord lives there. You could live there and not even know. You say that. I'm telling you.

How far out do you live? How far away from the strip? The way that you are, the way you're fucking built, there's no way. I live in what's called Summerlin, which is probably 15 minutes away from the strip. I would live in the mountains. I would have to get on a snowmobile to drive down to where you could take a car. You could live on Mount Charleston. There's some cool places up there.

How far away is that from Vegas? 20 minutes. I still couldn't live there. I have kids. How do you have your kids in Vegas? Love it, man. You don't have any problem with your kids being near that fucking giant battery of sin? I grew up there.

It's a big pulsating battery of sin. I grew up there. Look how great I turned out. guess if you grew up there you wouldn't be worried about it i'm an alien looking at it from the outside i come let me tell you what i leave hungover going get me the fuck out of here and i could imagine living there let me tell you what i got a place in laguna right i got a house in vegas and i got a hundred acres Maine. Okay? You could fucking live. You see the shit that I've seen happen up in Maine to kids. Kids getting fucked up on drugs.

Math. Pregnant at fucking 16. You name it. Yeah. It doesn't matter where you live as long as you stay on top of your kids. You just got to stay on them. That's true. Yeah.

I mean I would imagine at least maybe if they're aware that something like Vegas exists early on, maybe they'd be inoculated too, the pressures. Maybe. I don't know. What the fuck am I talking about? I wouldn't want to go and live in Vegas. Yeah. But I'd like to do a weekly show there.

It seems like it would be a fun thing to do. Yeah, you should do a residency somewhere with one of the places. Do a Louis Anderson Theater. Shut up. There you go. What do you have to do to do that? I did that. That's a good room.

Do you have to hug them? No. You did the Louis Anderson Theater? I did that shit That's a good room Do you have to hug him No You did the Louis Anderson Theater I sure did Is it a good room Yeah It's cool It's small

But it's nice It's a palace Vegas does not have A lot of good places To do comedy anymore Yeah They used to have They do a lot of shit

At the Mirage Do they Yeah the Mirage Oh that's right Mirage has Ray Romano They have Kevin Kevin James They have

Tosh is there. There's a bunch of comedians there. They got a pretty good comedy scene. Or The Laugh Factory. Penn Teller likes it. Like Penn. I know Penn pretty well. He fucking loves it.

I see him every morning. His kids go to the same school as mine does. Really? Yeah. And what kind of school is that? Like a private school? Yeah. What are the kids like?

Normal kids? Yeah, it's the greatest private school there There's a fucking freaky private school there too My kids started there I got them the fuck out of that place Freaky? Freaking what way? It was like fucking Germany

1942 What do you mean? Kids aren't allowed to talk at lunch Everywhere they walk in the school They have to walk in a single file line How the fuck do you not talk at lunch to walk in a single file line how the fuck do you not talk at lunch wow single file line in vegas yeah you want to hear you want to hear the best making hookers this play this place they're just gonna snap back the other way this school's

expensive as hell right so one day i fucking show up at the school they call us in they're like yeah your son's having trouble reading okay so what yeah he's having trouble reading. Okay. So what? Yeah, he's having trouble reading. It's a problem. What the fuck am I paying you for? Aren't you supposed to be? You should have saw this conversation. They were out of that school that day.

So what were they saying? Like you need to teach him? No, like fucking. It's one of these elitist schools where you're either super fucking smart and you pick up their curriculum because they don't really teach what they have a curriculum there that the kids have to follow these kids in fucking kindergarten get buried in homework it's one of these places where you go there every fucking mother their faces are fucking sewn back to their ears and you know they put on fucking diamonds the size of this egg to go you know they're all done up at fucking six in the

morning to take their kids to school you know yeah i lasted i lasted a month at that freak show wow yeah i'm like what the fuck am i paying you for am i aren't i paying you to teach them how to read you get very angry when you're reenacting this yeah no it's that's a touchy subject i see it it brings you right how do we even get here i have how do we get anywhere elementary school elementary school yeah that's what it is you're training I see it. I see it. How did we even get here? How did we get anywhere? Spearmint Rhino Elementary School. Spearmint Rhino Elementary School. Yeah, that's what it is. You're training people for the rhino.

But that's where you'd put your kids at Dawson. That's the school over there. The school that you go to. They love it. I'm not going to Vegas. I'm not moving to Vegas. I thought you said you were moving there. No!

I'm trying to get back to the mountains. I'm trying to go back to Colorado. That's fucking crazy. You found out what that's all about. You got fucking saber-toothed tigers in your backyard and shit. You can kill me. I got guns. I'm fine.

If it wasn't for Mrs. Rogan, I'd be back there right now. Colorado is actually a cool place. I like it too. Well, for me too. It's also the dealing with the giant crowds of people at UFCs and comedy shows. I like the contrast of being in the woods. I like the contrast of the both. I like it. I think it's good for you to be in the woods. I like the contrast of the both. I like it.

I think it's good for you to be in the woods. Colorado's cool, man. It's great. The only problem with Colorado is you've got to have that winter. Yeah. You've got to go through those winters, man. It ain't that bad. Colorado winter is not that bad.

You're crazy. It's not that bad. It's not Boston. Dude, I'm telling you, I'm too old for that shit. When I get up in Vegas and it's 40 out, I'm like, what the fuck is this shit? 40? Well, Vegas is 40 and cold because there's no heart. There's no heart to the city.

It's a different kind of cold. It's a fucking demonic cold. That is funny. It creeps into your marrow. You love Vegas, huh? I like Vegas. I'm just kidding. I like coming in and getting out, though.

But the problem is I'm always in town. If I'm in there with Eddie Bravo, we're always hammered. If I'm there for the fights. It's the place. Dude, you know what I feel that way? That's how LA is for me. Oh, yeah. When I come to LA, I'm like, this place is the fucking devil.

And I live in Vegas, for Christ's sake. Two days here, and I'm like, get me the fuck out of here. Because you're with me, kids. You can go out and drink. Holy shit. So you're avoiding alcohol completely now? Mm-hmm. Wow.

So why don't you try a little weed? Just a little bit. I haven't drank in six weeks. You can get medical marijuana. Medical from a doctor. Let's try that now. I've just never been into it, man. What if it straightens you right the fuck out?

Like how? Like what? Like my ear? Your equilibrium, all that shit. Your vertigo. So if it did that, you'd have to be high. Yes. Yeah. I can't do it now. You'd be fine. Trust if it did that, you'd have to be high. Yes. Yeah.

I can't do it now. It'd be fun. Trust me. You would love it. It'd be fun. I can't do it, man. Let's try it right now. I'm too old, man.

I'm too old. I can't do that shit now. Listen, there's no such thing. Just fucking take a week off. When you have a week off, give it a shot. Let me know. Let me know when you're ready. Just so you know, when you get a fucking earache it a shot do you let me know let me know when you're ready just you know when you get a fucking earache one day you're like listen i can't take this shit

anymore take me somewhere come on just give me just a little try if look if you're gonna do it just don't do it with anybody else don't do it with the tooth this motherfucker will bring a gravity bong and put you on mars on the first day you You got to go slowly. Maybe that's what I got to do is get the tooth high. I'm telling you right now, I'm late to every fucking thing I do with this guy. It's unbelievable. The tooth's a great guy. He's like my other little kid. But he's such a personality.

He's fun to have around. He is fun to have around. Let me tell you what. There's never a fucking day that you wake up that the tooth's in a bad mood. Tooth never has a bad day. Never like fucking, what's the matter, tooth? Why are you upset today? Today is just a fucking. He you wake up that the tooth's in a bad mood tooth never has a bad day never like fucking what's the matter tooth why are you upset today today just a fucking he's never people listening to this in the podcast going what is this guy talking about who the fuck is the right this guy named nick good dude we talk like we're talking about fucking you know brad pitt or

something exactly everybody should know the tooth well we got to wrap this thing up because at three hours in we turn into a pumpkin. But we finally did it. We finally had a podcast. This was three hours? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. How long was I here?

Two? Two plus. Two plus. I think two plus. Wow. See? That was like that. That's my skill, Dana White.

I like it. My skill is I can get people to talk for long periods of time and be comfortable. You are a talented motherfucker, Joe Rogan. I admit. I'm not talented, but I'm good at the things that I'm good at. Talking. I figured out. You're good at talking.

I'm good at talking shit. I'm a professional shit talker. Because all this shit talking, too, and between this and comedy, that's what makes doing commentary so easy. So before we wrap, did you hit all the things that the fans wanted to hear? What else do they want to know? I don't know. Who gives a fuck what they want, these crazy assholes? They want to know, Dana, why are you so cruel to the fans why are you lying to the fans cruel to the fans

and lie to them what did i actually said that that was one of the things that a guy tweeted he this is this what did i lie about exactly listen bitches liar i'm probably the most fucking honest guy that That could, you know Listen, I can't tell you guys everything All the fucking time I know you love to talk shit to people on Twitter So find this guy, his name is Sonny Sajeezy

I retweeted it, it says Ask Dana how often he lies on purpose To the media and the fans That was his tweet Out of all the things he could possibly ask you So of course, me being an idiot that's the one guy i respond to all these other people they asked me some legitimate questions about the future of mma and i ignore it and say to this guy sounds like someone needs a hug you know it's funny too the one thing about twitter that you'll

always notice you get the guy that starts talking fucking shit right he's saying all this crazy shit you're like you know i'm gonna i'm gonna find out more about this guy let me click on his fucking you know it's the guy who's got his fucking shirt off flexing right he's got two fucking followers and uh you know he's telling you what a fucking douchebag you are yeah right so then you get this guy this guy today fucking glasses the whole thing it looks like you know and he's in his but he's talking shit to me in his bio it says uh yeah i'm the guy the girls You get this guy today, fucking glasses, the whole thing. He looks like, you know. He's talking shit to me in his bio. It says, yeah, I'm the guy the girls like to bring home to their parents.

And, you know, I'm faithful and I'm cute. Christian. Are you fucking seriously talking shit to me when you wrote that in your fucking bio? Dude, I'm going to smash you, you fucking goof. I have some of the nastiest gay shit written to me by Christians, by supposed Christians. Like you look down at the thing, God-loving Christian, God bless America, God bless the USA. I mean, are you fucking queer, homo? Why don't you go suck Carlos Condit's dick? Why don't you go out there and suck some dick, you ball rider?

Why are you for Jesus? What the fuck? Make up your mind, you ball rider. Are you for Jesus? What the fuck? Make up your mind, you fucking psycho. Listen, a couple years ago, I asked you, Joe, I saw a cyborg fight or something like that. And I was like, would UFC ever get females in it? And you were like, Dana, let's never let that happen. For one time. What made it change?

Because I think it's the greatest idea ever. Ronda Rousey. Ronda Rousey. Yeah. When I met her, I saw some of her fights. Then I met her, and then we sat down and talked one day, and I was like, Jesus Christ. She's a marketing goldmine.

And she's fucking legit. She's super legit. She's hot as fuck, and she's angry. She's angry, man. Look at her. She's hot and angry. It's going to be great. She really is.

She really is angry. It's a great weekend. When you meet her and you really fucking hang out with her this girl is a fucking she's she's and look at that card she's a finisher look at that card leota machida versus dan henderson great fucking fight dan henderson the only guy to ever hold two weight classes consecutively the 183 and the 205 pound title at the same fucking time in pride taking on leoto machida former light heavyweight champion one of the top two or three light heavyweights on the planet earth without a doubt

and then you got josh near versus court mcgee so court mcgee is going on 170 is that what that is yeah those are those are those there uh i think that one is uh is that one on the main card yeah that's the main card right there court mcgee's a great fucking fight well that one's not the fx one is the uh main event for the prelims. The Court McGee fight is? LeVar Johnson and Brennan Schaub. Oh, LeVar Johnson. Yeah, FX.

So Court McGee has dropped down to 170. Is that what that is? Must be. I mean, Josh Neer isn't going up to 185, right? Right. Right? Is that right? Am I right?

Yeah, you're right. Am I right? I picked Neer. He's a big fucking kid to get down to 170. He's huge. You know? Huge. His endurance is staggering.

That guy's got incredible endurance you know he runs like like five minute miles with a fucking weight vest on that kid's an animal that's a fun fight it's a great fight and then so is josh koscheck versus robbie lawler i'm so excited for that fight that fight's gonna be fucking crazy what else is on this card oh we gotta go we gotta wrap menjivar in favor menjivar in favor that's flying in under the fight's going to be fucking crazy. What else is on this card? Oh, we got to go. We got to wrap this thing up. Menjivar and Faber. Oh, Menjivar and Faber. That's flying in under the radar. That's a great fucking fight, Menjivar and

Fedor. Or, Fedor. Menjivar and Fedor. B-mile. Ivan Menjivar fought GSP, the first fight of his fucking career. He weighs 135 pounds. Okay? I mean, he would fight Faber. He would fight Fedor. If you hooked up Ivan Menjivar and Fed i mean he would fight favor all right he would fight fedor if you hooked up ivan menjivar and fedor he would fight him that's uh there's a this is a great card man

i'm fucking pumped and that's this weekend and that's uh 7 p.m eastern 10 p.m in in anaheim if you're in la are there any tickets available yeah yeah there's still ticket and the great part is it's all the cheap seats man there's like uh there's a few hundred cheap tickets it's the cheapest tier usually when we when you when you don't sell it's usually that middle tier that doesn't sell these are the cheapest tickets so this thing's going to be a sellout well it's a great card too on top of that there's uh the fx fights as uh brendan shobb versus lavar johnson that's a crazy fucking heavyweight fight. That's going to be a great fight.

I can't wait to see that. Holy shit. And so the prelims, they start on Facebook. Then they're on FX. And then, of course, the main card is on pay-per-view. Robbie Lawler versus Josh Koshtek. A crazy fucking fight. Court McGee versus Josh Neer. That's a great.

Josh Neer is one of my favorite guys. I like watching that kid fight. Me too. Never in a boring fight. He's awesome. He's gritty as fuck. I agree. fucking fight court mcgee versus josh near that's a great josh near is one of my favorite guys i like watching that kid fight me too never in a boring awesome he's gritty as fuck i agree kids he's a savage menjivar and faber is going to be fantastic then of course henderson and machida is a fucking amazing fight i can't wait to see that fight and i can't wait to see ronnie ronda rousey and karmush liz karmush is a badass bitch too she's a tough kid she really is they're both tough it's that's gonna be fantastic she comes forward man she throws crazy unorthodox shit spinning elbows uh flying knees and her ground and pound is nasty and she knows this is a huge opportunity she's

gonna go for broke she is it's gonna be chaos dana white i'm glad we're friends me too brother i love you i love you too all right folks that's it show's over go fuck yourself thanks to honor.com for supporting the podcast go to o-n-n-i-t use the code name rogan save yourself 10 off any and all supplements this weekend this friday night i'm at the where am i anaheim what is it called though the the grove the grove in anaheim with joey diaz that's tomorrow night uh there's a few tickets available there's less than 100 as of uh today and uh brian when's that big show in um san diego march 14th go to american comedy co.com it's in san diego it's gonna be a desk watch show all

right my friends uh so that's it for this week next week we got uh we got some great shit coming up next week we got dan carlin is coming on next week oh is that next week wait a minute hold on where are we what is it where are we yeah dan carlin um yeah he's on monday and then we got duncan on tuesday eddie uh eddie hong on wednesday who's eddie hong he's a guy from vice Magazine. Oh, sweet. Cool fucking dude. I'm real excited to have him on. And then next weekend, we're in Columbus. Woo-hoo!

Cincinnati on Friday night, Columbus on Saturday night. Tickets are still available for both shows. All right, you freaks. We love the shit out of you, and we'll see you soon. Thank you. Bye. Thank you.