The Joe Rogan Experience - #348 - Steven Rinella, Bryan Callen, Cam Edwards

Episode Date: April 15, 2013

Steven Rinella is an outdoorsman, author, and television host. He currently hosts "MeatEater" on the Sportsman Channel. Bryan Callen is an actor, stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcasts: "The Bryan Callen Show" and "the Ten Minute Podcast", with co-hosts Will Sasso and Chris D'Elia. Cam Edwards is the host of "Cam and Company" on the Sportsman Channel.

All day! All day! forget that i'm gonna forget that trip for the rest of my life we had a great fucking time i watched the episodes twice now really and i love them and i thought it was shot really well i thought the music was amazing i thought it was amazing it turned it turns into blood brothers yeah to be out in the field no doubt yeah yeah it's totally different yeah and to see how people respond too to like waking up in the fucking freezing cold and you know nobody benched out everybody kept it together no way that's important you could take some fucking set through green type characters with you on the road sorry seth green i don't know why i picked on you well how about me how about joe rogan type character why that doesn't make sense because i did it but i mean there's a lot of people out there sorry

seth i have no reason to take shots at you just do you know did i tell you that what they anthropologist they did that study about how men who show up in a bar all done up in jewelry and why they get beaten up traditionally or why there was this so much like actual violent pressure for men to actually conform to a haircut and to a look like other. The joke is men, they have two criteria for how they dress. They don't want to look like a pussy and they want to be comfortable. And they mainly don't want to look like a pussy, and they want to be comfortable. And they mainly don't want to bring attention to themselves. Like, you don't see a guy, unless you're wearing an Ed Retardi shirt, but, you know, those guys are usually jacked and ready.

But for the most part, men will wear things that are like, you know, blues and grays and, you know, simple stuff, because this anthropologist was talking about the idea that if you, it goes back to how men used to hunt in groups. And if a man man if you guys were all set and we're gonna go hunting and all of a sudden i show up in a bunch of sparkly shit and bangles that are making a bunch of noise you guys gonna be like you're gonna spook the fucking deer they can see it a mile away and you're making like but i like these and yeah i don't buy this no

you're getting shut down son i want to hear your point of view on it because look at how i mean look at the way that a lot a lot of indigenous hunters today still adorn themselves. Yes, but they don't, that's for, not when they go hunting though, right? Isn't that for traditional dancing stuff, but not? No, like you might go to hunt or go into battle with like face paint or elaborate jewelry. like face paint or elaborate jewelry, or there's so many accounts of like Comanche who would wear wedding veils and stuff that they gathered during raids,

and just crazy clothes. Well, I would always wear a wedding veil. I think that's the word. I don't want the deer to see my expression change. But you know what? Your thing that I contested, and I don't mean to act like I'm the final Santa, but it reminds me of something similar that's equally interesting.

And it's that, like, I was reading this book on human evolution, and he was arguing, like, how could it ever be beneficial to be a daredevil? Right. To be like, what is the selective advantage to being a daredevil? And this guy argues that it's your saying to a a man is saying to females you're like i'm so ridiculously fit you know that i can do something so stupid and still thrive right and still breed you right you know like that's how i don't think men get to shit like wing suits you know how about fighting bulls i don't think men would fight bulls. Yeah, but fighting bulls is kind of a scam.

Because there's a lot of other dudes involved. Like, it's not just a matador in the bull. There's other dudes stabbing the bull. They put poison darts into the bull. They do a lot of creepy shit. Is that right? There's other dudes that stab the bull. Yeah, the picadillas.

When you're in a fucking wingsuit, you're in a wingsuit, okay? Those crazy assholes that jump off those mountains and they're going 100 miles an hour in those suits. Have you seen them fly through cities, like through the middle of buildings? No. Dude, there's a guy. He jumps out of a plane in fucking Brazil, okay? Jumps out of a plane and does this wings shit, and goes flying over the city through buildings.

There's a gap in between these two buildings, and he shoots through these two buildings before he pulls his parachute and lands. Is he flapping? No, he's just gliding. It hurts your head when you're watching it. You're like, shit, what is he going to do? He's going to crash. You're going to die.

How much can you really totally control it? I don't know. I mean, I don't know how much you can really steer it. I guess more than that. But this guy, there you can see him. Look at this. He flies. Are you kidding?

Yeah, that's him. It's him in the wingsuit. This is the camera. And look at that. He flew. Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus Christ. No.

Yeah, look at this. Are you kidding me? By the way, it was misty. Okay, it was... Oh, that guy's a badass. Look at that. Sponsored by Red Bull? Red Bull is gangster. Well, Red Bull. It was more than that. Sponsored by Red Bull? Red Bull is gangster.

Well, Red Bull sponsored the highest... Not to mention illegal jump. The team took to the skies at 5.45 a.m., giving them 20 minutes before the first commercial flight would appear on Reel's horizon. Oh, my God. Imagine they had to calculate when the first flight takes off. It's so nuts.

So you don't get torpedoed in the air by a fucking plane going 500 miles an hour. Yeah, do you think you can time the plane? How fast the plane's coming at you as you're flying down towards it? No, no. They're going 600 miles an hour. Yeah, you ain't gliding away from that thing. That's a rocket. And so if that guy lands and then a woman is like i'm so impressed by that i'd like to go out with you for drinks tonight it would demonstrate that there's a selective advantage there

yeah there's a selective advantage towards and being a daredevil yeah there's definitely that totally makes sense evolutionarily and it also makes sense that we we have a disdain for people that are like wearing jewelry and dressing flashy and attracting a lot of attention to ourselves because classically that person who aims to stand out so strongly ruins everything. They get too loud. They turn things into fights. The person is really loud and flamboyant, and they usually – it's just a natural instinct. The feeling you get is like, oh, look at this fucking guy. What is this guy going to bring to the party? Yeah, and I'm with he's not a natural instinct. The feeling you get is like, oh, look at this fucking guy. What is this guy going to bring to the party?

Yeah, and I'm with he's not a team player. He's some crazy asshole with jewelry on. Right. What's he doing? Like Criss Angel. Why is he wearing a fur? I get annoyed at Criss Angel because he's too into his body and he's too into his ripped jeans. I don't know.

I'm sure I'd like him, but when I see him, I'm like, punch that guy in the face, man. On top of the fact that he's really muscular, he's kind of a good looking guy, so I'm a little jealous of him at the same time. I'm like, maybe I'm a little attractive. That's probably one of the best ways to get girls ever, to be a beautiful magician. Oh, he's awesome. He's got the ticket.

He's great. He's great. You've got to love the guy. There's an evolutionary advantage in that way. Are you kidding? There must be, right? I do magic. To be able to trick that many people into thinking that you're mysterious. He's awesome.

I mean, what are you doing? I mean, every magician is a goddamn trickster. That's all they're doing. They're just tricking you. I'm pretty good, very good friends with David Blaine. Yeah. And women love him. Love him.

I'm good friends with Penn Jillette, and women love him. How about that? That's even more impressive. That's impressive. Because Dave's a good-looking guy. He's got this mystery and tall and dark and stuff. Penn Jillette's a bad motherfucker. Did I ever tell you about –

Is that Penn, like – Penn and Teller? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that guy. He's awesome. David Blaine, who tried to fight Mike Tyson. What? Did I ever tell you the story?

Tried to fight Mike Tyson. I run into David on the street and he's just jacked. I mean, he's built like me, but he was just so muscular. I was like, David, what are you doing? He goes, I was training for eight months to fight Mike Tyson. And when he went to a trainer, it might have been Teddy Atlas or something, he goes, I want to fight Mike Tyson. And I

think it was Teddy. I'm sorry, David, if, you know, someone like that. And he goes, the trainer goes, well, what's the trick? And David said, nothing. I just want to last three rounds. And the trainer goes, not in this lifetime. And he goes, no, but I think if I train hard, he goes, you're not going to, I'm not training you to fight Mike Tyson. You won't last five seconds. You never fought in your life. You're a magician. If there's not a trick, it's not going to happen. And Mike Tyson, you know, thinks David's magic apparently. So, so that didn't happen. So he goes to another trainer and the trainer goes, what's the trick?

And David goes, there's no trick. I just want to do it. And he goes, I'll take your money, but it ain't going to happen. I'm going to tell you up front. He goes, no, no, I want to do it. So David pays him a crazy amount of money and they start. And he trains for six months and finally they put him in the ring with his cruiserweight. Just a guy who's there, cruiserweight, tall, thin guy who can box.

And David said that the guy jabbed him once. The guy was, bam! And David went, oh! Oh, my God! Oh! He thought he was going to die. And the guy goes, you all right? And he goes, I don't know.

And then he hit him again. And David was like, that's it. I can't. He took two jabs. He goes, I can't fight. This is crazy. He had no idea how hard somebody could hit. And the guy goes, we've been telling you that the whole time.

That's a jab from a cruiserweight who's not even a top pro. You're talking about one of the hardest hitters in the game of all time. Dave was like, oh, I guess I can never do that. When was he trying to do this? This was a long time ago. Like when Mike Tyson was boxing still? It was right when he retired, I believe. Why would Mike Tyson do that?

He's ridiculous. Why would he think that Mike Tyson would be willing to do that? Well, I don't know. I'll talk to Dave and I'll come back with – But it's kind of insulting for him to even think that Mike Tyson, one of the greatest fighters of all time, would be willing to do that. Well, David's the kind of guy who just loves endurance. He loves thinking about the hardest thing to do. Like he wanted to cross – I don't know if I can say it on air because he may –

Right. He loves thinking about the hardest thing to do. Like he wanted to cross – I don't know if I can say it on air because he may – Right, but a fighter only has – I mean even though Mike Tyson would run through him like a hot samurai sword through a molten piece of butter. Yeah. A fighter only has a certain amount of fights in his life. Right. And a certain amount of times you can punch a man in the head with your hands without him breaking. A certain amount of times you can explode moving on somebody and not tear a muscle.

Right. You only have a certain amount of those in your life. That's interesting, yeah. That Mike Tyson would waste one of them, even if it would be a quick crushing. Why would he waste one of those fighting a guy like David Blaine? That's so arrogant. You should have a fucking, you really think you

could be a boxer and fight Mike Tyson? Have an amateur fight. Just one amateur fight. I think a lot of guys, it goes back to what we were saying, a lot of dudes, and we meet a lot of these guys in LA, a lot of guys don't really understand what it's like to be hit by somebody who can really hit you. You don't have that experience. Your experience comes from what?

Movies, where you see a guy get punched in the face and he comes back and hits again. So you think that's how it is until you get hit by a guy who really understands how to hit. And your whole world, your whole world changes. Well, it's just it's very difficult to relax too when someone's hitting you and one of the things that happens to people is they freak out yeah and their stress level goes up so high they lose complete control their ability to control their breath and they get exhausted and they fall apart it's like one of the the main things that and it's because they can't process the actual reality of getting hit.

If you've been hit before, you can calm yourself down even though you know that like, wow, I just got hit hard. Right. But we got to keep moving. Keep your eyes open. Keep your eyes open, hands up, and you start like calming yourself down. But that's a process you have to get really, really, really used to. You ever see boxers where the guy is taking a jab and then he has his eyes open and he's countering? Yes. Like eyes open while he's countering? Yes.

Like eyes open while a guy is punching your face. Like they get so comfortable with it. They eat jabs with their eyes open. It's incredible. Diaz, Nick Diaz is really good at that. Nick Diaz can actually eat your jab and keep coming. He's one of the few guys I've seen who's got that. That's not a good move.

Well, no. He should always get the fuck away from punches, man. Did you see the HBO boxing this weekend? That Donair fight? No, but did you see that Bradley fight with Bradley and... You see the chick fight? No. Yeah, that was insane.

Did you not see the Bradley... Hopkins? No. No. Bradley, what's that guy from Siberia? It was the fight of the year. Just recently. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.

The guy that he fought in Rocky III? No. The Siberian guy fights out of Freddie Roach's gym, and it was the craziest thing. It's the craziest. Oh, I know. I know exactly what you're talking about. His eyes were shut. It was a crazy fight.

Yeah, don't tell anybody what happens because it's so crazy. Anyway, it was the best fight I've ever seen. That makes you – people who have no respect for that, like people who have never been beat – you don't have any idea like what those guys are sacrificing to try to entertain people. Like it's the most – it's the biggest sacrifice you could ever make physically without dying. It is. And what's really interesting is some people have a genetic – like an ability to take punches that you as a human being should never be able to deal with. Like even watching Big Country when he was taking those knees to the face.

You ever see that? Yeah. You call the fight. Like how he can take that kind of punishment to his head is the nuttiest thing I've ever seen. So a lot of it is in his mind too. A lot of it is your determination. The physical build of your face, that's one big thing. Like Mark Hunt, that big fucking thick head.

That Samoan head. Would you say the physical what of your face? Physical build of your face construction. It seems that guys with really thin faces, like narrow jaws, have more of an issue with getting knocked out, whereas big squared-jawed guys are more difficult

to knock out. They say that fighting trainers look for a short neck and a wide face. Yeah, that supposedly is the best. Like David Tua, perfect example, one of the best chins of all time. Lennox Lewis cracked him on the jaw, and he just sort of wobbles back and forth and keeps moving forward. I mean, David Tua had a ridiculous jaw, and his head is as wide as a football field. I know his, I know his, uh, I worked out with his strength coach for, and who got him ready for, for his first fight. And his strength coach said that David Tua had never squatted and he put them on the squat rack. We put 490 on the squat rack

and Tua went from, um, like he, he, he went from, he took the weight 490 pounds and didn't do a regular squat. He did a deep squat. He did an all the way down squat and then came back up with no problem. And he was like, would you, how much do you practice squatting? And Tua was like, I don't, I don't practice squatting, bro. I don't, I'm just, you know, I don't know how much weight was that? And he goes, that was 490 pounds with no belt or anything. You just put it on your body and went all the way down. He goes, you're not supposed to go all the way down. You just have to go down to like where you put your butt.

What kind of shitty trainer is that guy? Why the fuck did he put so much weight on? And why didn't he tell him how to do it first? I don't know. That trainer sounds like a douchebag. That story sucks. How about that? Hey, man.

How about that, man? Hey, man. All right, let me retell it. The trainer warmed him up. He stretched him and warmed him up. It is definitely important. You got to edit that one a little bit. You know what squatting doesn't help with?

Hunting. When you're out there trying to stalk a deer. See, I disagree. I think all those body weight squats I do, that totally helped me. I don't hike. No, I know. I never go hiking. We were hiking for fucking hours.

I was like, there's a couple points where I was like, whoa, I'm breathing really heavy. This is really taxing. And someone who's in shitty shape and you try to do that Badlands hiking all day, that's not good for you. Well, when we had to hoof out all that meat. Yeah. It was a small mile. I thought it was heavy and I was like, I was concentrating. Yeah, I think it's a peculiar, it's like a peculiar kind of in shape.

Just like walking around on uneven ground. Yeah. I remember when I – like I grew up in Michigan, and you couldn't – you couldn't find a good – you couldn't find anywhere you needed to walk. Like a mile walk would be a big walk there. needed to walk you know like a like a mile walk would be a big walk there and um we were you know we all consider ourselves like pretty tough about that kind of stuff like hunting in michigan and trapping stuff when i moved out west and first started hunting elk we would get where like we'd hike in we might hike in like eight or nine miles somewhere to hunt and then hunt a couple days and come back out and then we'd like get in

the in the truck and drive to a gas station you know and you go in to get like a fountain pop and fountain pop yeah like you'd go to that's soda for you for the people who are not living in the 50s i remember like getting a fountain pop okay a belly washer so but by that point in time you'd pull up and open the door and couldn't get out of the vehicle like just that 20 minute drive and our like my legs would just seize up like seize up so bad that it would take days to recover from it wow and then now i don't understand like now it just like doesn't happen and even if i didn't go and do that for a year maybe not a year if i didn't go do that for six months or something i feel like i would just be fine do i mean like something like goes away or comes or breaks or heals or something

from just like those long arduous hikes you know yeah the human body is incredibly adaptable i mean there's things that people do if you go to a martial arts school and watch guys who have been doing jujitsu their whole lives and watch like how you can move your body around how you can manipulate your body the only way you could do that is if you just do it for years and years and years and years and you're hiking up those crazy slippery slopes like all those places we we hiked up were really slippery you know it takes like a specific kind of balance and leg endurance when you're you know moving through muck and stuff and you're just that's like it's a skill you know you're just really good at it yeah you were barely getting tired it was crazy i was really impressed i was like this guy's barely breathing heavy like

we get to the top and he he's, like, glassing. And I'm going, he's, like, barely breathing. But at the same time, keep in mind, I live in fear of catching a direct hit from my 2-year-old. He gets big timeouts for that. And I'm like, you know, I'm kind of covering my face. Like, I can't take a hit from him. He's 35 pounds. When I take one of his matchbox cars and he deals me a blow to the cheek or something like that, it puts me out.

That's funny. Kids can fucking, they can hit you hard. They don't pull. No, man. My daughter decided to take her heel into me. She went, hey-ya! She jumped on me. I was lying in bed.

She jumped on me and decided to ride me. And she took her heel and went, get that in my rib. And I went, hey! It was crazy. I was like, how did you get that much power out of that heel strike rib. And I went, hey! It was crazy. I was like, how did you get that much power out of that heel strike? Do you teach them martial arts yet? Not yet. My son will definitely be learning. I train them when they're rolling, the four-year-old and the two-year-old,

because they wrestle around together naturally. So I train them positions. And I was like, this is not where you want to stay. If you're in this position, what do you want to do? You want to pass the guard. I think it's important. You should teach somebody how to do that. My wife today, honestly,

two hours ago, my wife sent me a message on my phone asking if I thought that our little boy would like karate classes. It's really good. I've never done anything like that. Well, you did a lot of hunting, though, and a lot of physical things. I think men need a lot of physical things.

I think the idea that a man man that it's natural for a man to have no explosive release physically for the rest of his life and just sit in a cubicle and just go through life with shiny shoes on with a fucking tie on your body's gonna break that's it's total that's a totally unnatural thing you're asking of it yeah and if you don't you don't have some sort of physical release or at least understand how to manage it, you know, you got to understand how to manage it. Like managing it is super important. Well, it also, it also hormonally for a man doing exercise like that hormonally changes you hormonally. When you don't, when you don't exercise, you lose it, man. Yeah.

You lose it. Oh, no question. No question. It's way healthier to question way healthier to actually lifting heavy is a good thing too yeah but we're talking about for little kids for little kids like learning like learning like how to do difficult things like early on it's so important because it becomes nation like think how well think how normal it is for you to like sleep somewhere that's fucking cold as shit with a sleeping bag and like all right well this is just what we're

doing here we are. You and Moe curled up together in that van, freezing your asses off. For an average person, that's like some Walking Dead type shit. That scenario never comes up. And if it did, they would fall apart. They wouldn't be able to deal with it. They'd be complaining and whining.

I mean, how many people would complain and whine? Well, Steve, shed some light on this because I've read accounts of where the settlers, when they would move west and they'd come in contact with Native Americans, it would be a bitterly cold winter or something. And they would see like Native Americans and children not dressed warmly. Yeah. dressed warmly yeah like dressed in like you know or or not warmly compared to western so they'd be it'd be like you know 10 degrees out or something and they'd be in you know two uh skins and but but but not nearly as bundled up as you would expect them to be yeah i think that i think the people i think the people acclimate to that kind of stuff and you see your own minor version of it just like the way you might behave throughout the winter right do you know i mean

like you get you get just generally you cost them through it throughout the year and then you see like mild variations where people who like might grow up at northern latitudes move down south they come back home and can't hack right the cold yeah i wonder what that is maybe maybe your body naturally starts preparing for that or heating up so So, yeah, something shifts. And you look like even then, if you look at cultures like Inuit cultures, I mean, just in that small amount of time, and that's not like a – relatively, that's not a very ancient – that's not a very ancient people or very ancient culture. They're like fairly new arrivals in the Arctic.

But they already demonstrate physical differences and physical adaptations. Their hands and adaptations don't get cold that would help them adapt to the cold like how much how much stuff you spread out like how much you know blood you send to your extremities and how well you can shut that off and control it and you look at another thing is there's this thing that's like it's called the bergman principle and it's a it's a principle in in wild and wild life physiology. And the Bergman principle holds that, like if you have a species, okay, let's take whitetail deer. In the southern extreme of that species range, the animals are going to be much smaller than in the northern extreme. So if you look at whitetail deer from Alberta, there's just monsters up there.

You hear these guys, they get like 280-pound deer or whatever. Down in the southern extreme of their range they might weigh 90 pounds and what they find is that a bigger like generally a bigger animal has less surface area so that bigger animal is better able to retain body heat in a smaller animal in a mammal shape a smaller animal has greater surface area and is thus better able to shed heat. So it comes down to heat shedding and heat retention. And when you look at human cultures... Wait, so a smaller animal, say again?

Like a bigger animal, let's say you have exactly the same shape dogs. But one of those dogs is 200 pounds and one of those dogs is 50 pounds right the larger dog has less surface area per unit of mass and suicide and the smaller dog has greater surface area per unit of mass and so that's a way in which animals help you know shedding heat and keeping it another thing you see in species like like now that we look at the woolly mammoth the woolly mammoth had very small ears you know we think of elephants that have any like elephantine giant ears the woolly mammoth had very small ears it was the arctic and sub-arctic inhabitant then you look at like the african element and near equatorial zones big ears so it's like the ability to shed heat to send a

bunch of blood into that big ear and drop that heat off i see what i'm saying is that's not just the body size thing, but just like attributes, long legs, you know, things that long legs would help you shed heat, squat legs help you retain heat. So when you look at human cultures, like human cultures from equatorial areas and human cultures from Arctic and sub-Arctic areas

will in some way demonstrate that same tendency of, or, you know, that same physiology of being squat and compact, being able to handle cold. So I think that, you know, it doesn't take that long for, I mean, whatever your feelings are about, like, you know, when I talk about evolution, I was just like tangled up, you know, people think you're making like some grandiose comment about religion or the Bible, but I'm just talking about like that things are different, you know, things look different

where they come from. I think that it goes pretty quick in species and humans and stuff making acquiring adaptations that help them deal with climates. And you talk about

guys going out west. Settlers going out west, who's going to wind up thriving? The guy that can hack the cold. The that can sleep out you know that's what i think like on an individual level i think so much of it comes down to um getting comfortable with discomfort yeah and that was something i look you know that was something i learned over a long time of of like like hunting in the west and hunting alaska. It was just kind of like the mental attribute of giving comfortable discomfort. Yeah. Well, they said that the SEAL teams, they tried to figure out what prototype would do well in the,

you know, a stocky guy or whatever. A lot of guys are stockier. A lot of guys were wrestlers. There are three sports they recruit from, believe it or not, lacrosse, swimming, wrestling, and one other football. But they couldn't actually, they've never been able to really pinpoint

who makes it and why and they certainly can't even do it physically like some guys just defy the odds and they shouldn't do it but they do so there's no like well that guy has these six qualities he's definitely going to make it through buds no

it's just a very difficult thing to pinpoint why we've been talking, Cam just walked in. We only have one extra mic here, so you guys are going to have to get close to each other and talk. Are you Steve's friend? You guys know each other? We know each other a little bit. I've gone on Cam's show a number of times.

Yeah, Steve and I are both on Sportsman Channel. I do Cam and Company, which is 5 o'clock Eastern, Monday through Friday. Big fan of Steve's, and we've talked about— So I was confused. I thought you guys were good buddies. You're traveling together. You're not traveling together. Not traveling together.

I've got to— No. My information sucks. I don't know where I'm getting the wire from. So you're here to promote? Here to promote your appearance on Meat Eater and talk about the MMA week that we're developing for Cam and Company coming up last week in April. We're going to be having Steven on and hopefully having you on. Randy Couture is going to be joining us.

having you on uh randy couture is going to be joining us we're going to talk about you know the the the i think a lot of the similarities in the crossover between the mma world and the world of hunting um you know you talk about what what attributes it takes to you know make it as a navy seal and you talk about what attributes it takes to to make it as a hunter um you know i think that there's all kinds of commonalities there when we talk about what it means to actually be better than what we are and to grow ourselves, whether it's, you know, the putting yourself in that state of discomfort where, you know, a lot of people bug out.

I mean, they don't want to do that anymore. We live in a world in which our entire existence is based on how comfortable can we be. But again, you don't become better unless you're pushing yourself, unless you're breaking out of that comfort zone. Yeah, it's a sad thing to see a whole generation of kids growing up that don't experience that as young men. They don't have difficult tasks to perform. And I think that's a very critical aspect of your behavior and your character

and growing your character. You've got to fail. You've got to be pushed. You've got to get to a situation where you pass your limits or you surprise yourself with new limits and you change your own definition of yourself. But if you don't test yourself, if you don't get into bad positions, you're always going to have that weird insecurity about you. Like that weird insecurity that guys

have that have never been in any kind of conflict ever. And you don't know how they would react. There's certain people I know exactly how they would react if the shit hits the fan, but those other people are like, Oh, you squirrely bitch. You might fall apart on me. And I think that like you always say too, you know you're if you are if you're trying to be really good at anything you can find all those all the you can find all that discomfort and all those plateaus and everything just in trying to get great at the guitar or yeah at anything whatever yes there's a certain amount of humility in an understanding of what's really going on that you develop when you sort of make any strides in any really difficult thing or if it's playing chess, whether it's writing, whatever it is.

It's a matter of doing something difficult and testing your boundaries. I think at a time all that came more naturally, I think, if you just look at the way people's lives used to be structured, not even just 100 years ago or so. It wasn't like we had to manufacture opportunities for stress. Right. I mean, it was just like you had things you had to do, like you had to clear land or people would actually have children because they needed the additional. They didn't look at children as being a deficit.

They looked at children as being like an addition of resources. Like I'll have kids because they'll help me do more work. Not that like I'll have kids so that I can pump money into them and pump resources into them. I'll derive from them. And now I find – I certainly don't live that way. Now I find that I manufacture – I try to like in small dosages, manufacture that feeling for my kid to, to like give him this, he doesn't see it as artificial,

but given this artificial sense of him having to have output, you know, that I'm doing something and maybe I'm doing something completely unnecessary. Like he wants to make a birdhouse. So we're going to make a birdhouse. But at a point it becomes just like arduous, you know, there's a part where the fun dies and now we just got to get it finished you know and to make

it and to turn it like no we're doing this we're doing this we're doing this and it's like and i don't care if it's enjoyable to him anymore and he's so little this is all just like experiment now right but just trying to like create that sense of that you have to now in some way do something you don't want to do. Yes. That is productive. That's a part of love life practice, right? It's a part of that, you know, you start getting good at something and just, you know, if you're trying to be a good wrestler or whatever,

there are days you walk in and you're like, I don't want to wrestle. I don't want to do any of this. I don't even care about this anymore. It's all a bore. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't do any of this. I don't even care about this anymore. It's all a bore. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like any of this. And it's like getting into a cold bath until your skin gets acclimated.

That's a huge part. It's a really interesting thing the way they put it. Get comfortable with discomfort. I don't think you can get good at anything unless you get comfortable with discomfort. Well, that's one of the things about wrestlers that separates them from, in my opinion, almost every other athlete. Wrestlers go through such horrendous stress throughout high school and college.

Between sucking weight and the training. Wrestling is the most brutal fucking training you can do. And then you're doing strength and conditioning, hill sprints, whatever kind of crazy weightlifting program they have you on. You are broken down all day, falling asleep in class. You're dehydrated. You're sucking weight. You're eating fucking turkey breast and lettuce with lemon juice on it.

You're essentially starving while you're going to war. Spartan lifestyle, man. And these guys, they developed this unbelievable ability to just grind through shit. And they break a lot of fighters just with their sheer will because of that. The mentality that comes with being a successful wrestler. Well, I'm doing – tomorrow I'm having Ronda Rousey on the Brian Callen show, everybody. And sorry to push my podcast. But she – I look forward to –

Thank God you changed the name of that stupid thing. From Man Thoughts? A lot of people want Man Thoughts back. It used to be called Man Thoughts, and then Joe was like, come on, dude, just have it the Brian Callen Show. I was like, all right, I'm changing it back to the Brian Callen Show, everybody. Man Thoughts. Because it's not, you know, people look for the Brian Callen Podcast. They're not going to Google Man Thoughts.

Right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. It's kind of silly. There's a little disconnect there with people finding it. I know. Right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. It's kind of silly. There's a little disconnect there with people finding it. I know. It was an idea to label. I can't do any.

I'm so bad at labeling. Who's the person you do? Ronda Rousey. Ronda Rousey is a UFC champion. The point I'm making is that I think part of what makes her so great is she was an Olympian in judo, which is so difficult. It's the same kind of training. Yeah, brutal.

And you get into the octagon with Ronda Rousey man she's been through the muck she and that's what i'm going to talk to her about is what her she's an extreme winner you know and i want to talk to her about how what her mindset is how she keeps that going how she deals with the pressure how she deals with all her mother developed her you know her mother's a judo champion as well her mother just taught her to be a total badass you know well she said in an interview ronda said and i'm going to talk about this is a judo champion as well. Her mother just taught her to be a total badass. You know, it's amazing. Well, she said in an interview, Rhonda said, and I'm going to talk about this,

is when something bad happens to her, she immediately says, wow, I wonder what I'm going to get out of this. You know, I wonder, oh, this sucks right now, but I wonder what good is going to come out of this because something good,

I'm going to react in a good way. My reaction is going to create something positive in this atmosphere. That's a great way of looking at any kind of adversity. Sure, until you get kicked in the head. Well, that's true. Then you go, okay. Ain't that the truth, right? That's the ultimate equalizer.

Ray Mancini used to say, who was that? For some of you younger listeners, he was a world champion boxer. Ray Mancini, and he said, my father always said, you're a tough guy till you're not. Bottom line. You're a tough guy till you're not. Somebody hits you in the face, you're not a tough guy anymore.

Doesn't it suck to get to an age where your references don't work anymore? Back when Chico and the Man. My wife's like, how old are you? I'm like, I don't know, yeah yeah yeah back when chico and the man my wife's i was like how old are you i don't know does it seem that like i'll like make some things like mary lou retton you know which in my mind was like the only athlete i knew about because she was on special k-bop i'll be like yeah jumping around by the way mary lou retton how about how about when bruce jenner

used to be the weedies guy not some freak on a fucking reality show? God. How about that? How about when Bruce Jenner had a man nose? How about when Bruce Jenner was a man? What's going on? When you become this guy who's on this reality show and all your daughters are just- With that little upturned nose. All in the news and everyone's mad. They're all crazy.

They're completely crazy. Yeah, and he used to be a champion. He used to be an Olympic. Was he a decathlete? Yeah, he was one of the best in the world. He was a gold medal. And handsome. Pre-juice.

Handsome and then decides he's going to go and get his nose done. Have you ever played the game where you try to flash forward 20 years into the future and find out, think, okay, what celebrity that I know now who's normal is going to be that fucked up 20 years from now? No.

It's too easy to make fun of the ones that are fucked up right now. I'm not really into fucking the stock market of celebrity doucheness. I'm looking for them to be fucked up right away. There's always something. But there's some that you picture like if someone just rubs you the wrong way for whatever reason, it's fun to fantasize turns that could happen. Right. Well, what's really fun is when you don't like one

and it actually happens and you get to watch. Yeah. Yeah, and watch them fucking skid and hit the rocks. As you get older, you can kind of get really good at figuring out. You look at some celebrities and you go, oh, there's a lot of flash and noise there, but you're not drawing from much, brother. You're working

with one bag of tricks and that's getting empty. I can watch it. And you're like, you've got to come up with something. But a lot of times and noise there but you're not drawing from much brother you're working with one bag of tricks and that's getting empty i can watch it and you're like you got to come up with something but a lot of times you see that it's a very disappointing thing when you realize that there's all these really douchey people that on camera and they have like this sort of like artificial act that they put on right and then they'll do films where they're like really good at pretending to be someone else so they do that. And then – but you get to meet them and you see them and you're like, this guy is a douchebag. Like a straight A, grade A douchebag. And a boar. And a boar.

And a boar, yeah. A boring, crazy psychopath who's just really – Who's all about themselves. Pathologically self-involved. I know a movie star like that. It's just – and you grow up watching him and you get and i got snowman i was like you are an absolute cuckoo bird you are all about yourself never asked me a question about my i've known for many never asked me one question about myself not

one question not even how you doing never not a question no interest it's all about him he's truly the center of his own universe there's guys beautiful I had a buddy that I had to cut off because I could never just have a, hey, what's going on, man? I couldn't have that. I couldn't say that. No, competition. No, no, no, no. Because when you would say, hey, what's going on, man, he would just go into his career. I know who you're talking about.

I mean, it was like a fucking five-minute diatribe on how well this audition went. And he's pretty sure he's going to be back for a second pass at that. And I think once I can get in front of producers, I can show them what I can really do. I know who you're talking about, too. Can I interrupt you long enough just to, Brian, I mean, how's your family? Dude, I can't believe he wants to make sure. Thank you for not being self-involved, Steve. He's off of that list.

He wants to make sure he's off of that list. How's your family? Steve, you will never be on that list. Yeah. You can do no wrong. Well, we were talking, Cam, before you got here. We were talking about how it seems like Brian and Steve and I are, because we went on this crazy trip together, because we went to Montana. We have this weird blood brother shit, blood brotherhood chip thing going on.

It certainly felt that way when I was watching the episodes. Yeah. I was like, there's Moe. There's Dandy. I miss those guys. So true. And Ryan.

Yeah. Dude, for five days, we had a great fucking time with no TV, no cell phone. We needed less sleep, right? Remember that? I mean, we slept like rocks. We slept when the lights went out.

Basically, we ate, slept. But getting up, it didn't seem that hard. It was really fun. It was probably because we were going to bed at 8 and waking up at 6. So I did get about 14 hours of sleep a night. I didn't even need a nap. I'm rugged. It was hard to figure out how to sleep at first,

but I realized eventually that the softest way to do it is to keep not just your sleeping bag, but your jacket on as well. I kept all my clothes on, my jacket, my sleeping bag, and the down jacket and the sleeping bag. I was like, this is just enough. Let me tell you something. The next time we go hunting, I'm bringing a Sherpa.

And guess what he's going to carry? A big fucking mattress on his back. And a portable heater. And fuck you guys, by the way. A portable heater. I'm going to have a portable heater. And I want a fucking mattress with a big pillow. Remember we passed that one, Kea?

You'll lose something, though, man. Whatever. Really? Oh, will I? Good. Oh, shucks. What did we just talk about? Oh, sorry. Sorry, guys. What did we just say about going through difficult things? There, really? Good. Oh, shucks. What did we just talk about? Oh, sorry.

Sorry, guys. What did we just say about suffering? There's a famous quote. I can't remember who said it. Like, you don't really know a man until you hunt with him. Forget that because I don't know the guy. I don't know what he said or who said it, which really destroys my point. But there's a broad thing I was going to say.

There's like a – I was talking one time with an older friend of mine. He was talking about being at his fishing camp. And he was trying to describe why he liked being at his fishing camp with his buddies. And they always fish halibut in Alaska. And he's like, everyone's just so, so competent, you know. And it wound up being like that he just kind of appreciated that, hanging out with people who like have the ability just to take care of things yeah you know yeah it's like to do things and he was saying like you got to wait in line if you want to wash a dish you know with this crew of people he's out

with and i think that in a way it's not saying this is exclusive to hunting i mean there's many things but it's like going on a trip you know going on a trip with people where things aren't so great all the time like there's there's elements of being cold there's elements of having not slept enough but it's kind of having this feeling of um everything's gonna be okay like these guys are like great people to be with and they're just like really competent people and right now we're doing those like that that behind like we're doing like this little crew show on like the the media it was just on the one that's coming up or kind of about the guys i work with and when I watch that I kind of see that where I just feel so like comfortable being around people that I've spent a lot of time out hunting

with and again I don't want to make I think that sports teams feel something similar you know I think there's the military's that way like guys served together in the military but just kind of a way of being away from things and sort of relying on other structures you, relying on other things and having assumptions about people holding their weight. If you complain, make it funny. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly. That's right.

That's funny. I went and spent 11 days in Afghanistan doing a USO tour. And one of the things I came away with was I realized I went – I've been in LA for a long time where I'm the center of my own universe and everybody around me is always about them. And one of the things I found very refreshing about being in a war zone, if there is such a thing as being feeling refreshing, was that when you're in the military, you're a Marine, you're an Army guy, you come last. Those guys put themselves last and everybody around them comes first. So when you get off a bus and you're unloading bags, there's always a line of people unloading everybody else's bags. Everybody's looking out for the other guy next to them. And that's ethos. That is credo in the military that's drummed into you. And I got to

say that having come from LA, which was the exact opposite of being thrown into that experience, was very, very kind of, it was really, I didn't expect it. This is one of the most ridiculous places to live in the world. It is. If you want to find like actual real humans to talk to. Authenticity. Real, yeah, real authentic.

It's true, dude. Authenticity in Los Angeles. Men and women. It's like, it's such a brutal grind to try to find people that are your friends that you can talk to. I've cultivated a group over the years and um one of the things about about doing your show is that i knew that if i was going to do it and i brought this motherfucker around i'm like we'll change the whole tone of the show like this show is just going to be a five-day silly fest i'm like this is the perfect

thing to do because and also i knew that brian callan holds up i knew no matter what happened fucking asteroids could be coming and we'd be looking at each other. Well, pal, it's been a good time. But I don't see us surviving that fucking thing. I'm always ready to go out with a bang. I will stand by your side no matter what. That's how I think of friendship. He's my four in the morning, I got a body to get rid of guy.

It's true. If I had a guy that I had to call up and go, dude, meet me. No, I would take a risk for you. Meet me in your parking lot. No, no, I take that very seriously. My real friends, I always say it. I'll take a risk for you. I'll take a risk for you.

That hurts my feeling, Joe. That hurts my feeling. You too, sweetie. But you can carry more. Yeah. He can carry your body more. But you might get uncomfortable walking through the desert. I also got holes

I got holes I got holes in stores of life Brian would have to stop For cigarette breaks I'd fuck the evidence away But you're not just looking For someone who'd be cool With the fact that you had a body

Right It'd be someone who'd be Who'd be helpful in getting Oh yeah Know exactly how to get rid of it You gotta go into mission mode You gotta get rid of that fucking body Because that's the way it is.

Yeah, you don't want it to become a fossil either. It's like Jimmy Burke's friend who is, he comes home, his girlfriend is having a fight with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend is hitting his daughter. He comes home and his daughter's in a fight with her boyfriend in the backyard and the boyfriend starts hitting her.

He comes out and he's a construction worker. He comes out. Can you back up one step? So, yeah. No, not that. Oh. I don't understand the story. Okay, so the story is, so my buddy, my buddy, my buddy, my buddy.

Your buddy? Is he your buddy? My buddy. Grows up. My buddy. Grows up with a guy named, I can't think. Who gives a fuck what his name is? What happened?

Comes home. His daughter is in the backyard with a boyfriend, and they're fighting. They're having a fight. The boyfriend starts hitting his daughter. Okay? Right. He goes out in the backyard and tries to break it up. The boyfriend, I guess, gets smart with him.

He kills the boyfriend with his bare hands. He fucking kills him. Whoa. He punches him to death. Now, he says to his daughter, go inside and he's got to get rid of the body. So he calls his buddy. Wait a minute. Should you be telling the story? Yeah, it's fine. It's fine.

Are people in jail? Yeah, they're in jail. And this was a long time ago. So he calls his huge friend Bozo. Bozo was a knuckle breaker who his claim to fame was he had the longest tongue on the planet. He would stick his tongue out and you'd go, oh, Jesus Christ, like that. He'd scare people with his fucking tongue that was the size of a cow's. Anyway, Bozo's a giant man. Bozo shows up. Bozo goes, I know what we're going to do.

Calm down. He goes, what? He goes, I'll be right back. Bozo goes and gets a dolly. He takes the dolly. He ties the guy to the dolly. They fucking in the middle of the night, they take this guy, they dolly him to a gas station round the corner

and they leave him behind the gas station. Oops, you dropped something. Then they come running back like, he, we did it. Good job, buddy. Blood brothers. I got, I helped you get rid of a body. Well, here's what they didn't think. Cause they were, they were a little drunk to calm down. Uh,'s hand had dragged along the ground. So when the cops showed up, they brought the dogs. And the dogs went, oh, well, let's just follow where the dogs go. And the dog goes. And they just went around the corner and found themselves a little house and started barking.

Cops were like, knock, knock, knock. Hey, you guys dolly a body around the fucking thing sorry we did it you're going to jail and so are fucking you pal and they they did some time not not they didn't do 25 to life they did some fucking i don't know so your point is you don't want any old dude getting rid of a body you gotta have a plan through this shit beforehand yeah you gotta think through you gotta rehe through this shit. Beforehand. Yeah, you've got to think through this shit. You've got to rehearse this shit. You've got to get his body out before it stinks.

Yeah. It's important. Blend tech blenders, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One blender at a time. Well, there was that guy that fed the body through, I guess, he had a hog farm and fed the body first through a tree shredder. Shot all of it into the hog thing and the hogs ate it but they still ended up catching the guy.

Still ended up catching him. This reminds me of that link. You sent me a link recently of the great... Cannibals of the Wild West. The great cannibals of the West. Wild shit, isn't it? What's that? Like the Donner Party?

Similar, but one of them was a guy who uh his wife got killed by the cherokees so he went on a rampage just killed a bunch of indians and ate their liver and they called him liver eating johnson johnson and he just he would kill guys and eat their liver now that was the sydney pollack movie that's a serial killer who'd be fantasizing about that his whole life they kill my wife before i could eat her liver. He later became the sheriff. Like, he later became the sheriff of,

um, Red Lodge. Is it Red Lodge, my answer? Something, some, some, he was,

yeah. I think it was the sheriff of Red Lodge. And then, uh, Sidney Pollack made that movie, the great movie, Jeremiah Johnson.

Yeah. And Jeremiah Johnson was based loosely off of the legend of liver-eating Johnson. And it was, talking about liver-eating Johnson of liver-eating Johnson. And it was part of Liberty Johnson. Liver-eating Johnson used to cut firewood for the boats on the Missouri breaks. Wow.

Where we did our float. Holy shit. Which brings this whole deal way full circle in a weird way. Yeah. But Johnson also had an eight-inch tongue. I don't know how that's true. Wait a minute. Your stories, man, about the Old West were so great.

You know so many cool fucking stories. Like Brian, when we got back, when we were on the boat, and you were like, oh, my God, the last day of being on the water was so fucking cold. Oh, my God. I didn't even notice because Steve kept telling me all these cool-ass fucking Indian stories. You know what's funny about that? How this guy got away and this guy hid in a beaver's den and this guy, they told him he could run naked,

he can try to get away if you can run away. I was so frozen. I saw you and it was so cold that you had, like there were icicles on your beard and you were just smiling the whole time. I was like, how is he not cold right now? So you did your job. You distracted him.

I was enjoying myself, man. I never bothered. I mean, knowing that the cold was only, like, a five-day thing. I was like, as long as it's only a five-day thing. And when we were walking around in the day, it wasn't bad. As long as you have gloves on. I mean, if you're done up right, if you're wearing the right shit, it's not bad. It's not that big deal that's the thing it's hard it's like it's like a paradox almost

where when you get uncomfortable and cold like that some party wants you to stand there you know oh yeah but the only time you're actually comfortable is when you're out screwing around yeah you gotta move around as soon as you start moving around but there's something in the minute you stop something comes something inhabits you and makes you want to just like stay in there and be cold. And it's like the guys that are good about it are the guys that just, you look and instead of hanging around talking, they're just like walking up and down a little hill. Yeah.

And they're totally fine. Well, it's weird how we got sweaty, even though it's like nine degrees out. You know, there's a lot of times we're fucking sweaty, moving a lot that's why cotton kills right you don't want to get sweat you got to have wool the opposite of that are you familiar with paradoxical you ever hear paradoxical undressing no it's like when people uh people find hypothermia yeah like victims of hypothermia they'll they'll often have they'll often shed their clothes, but in erratic ways, taking jewelry off, taking one sock off. But there's this thing that happens where you spend, like, your body, when you start getting cold, your body spends a lot of energy.

It constricts certain blood vessels and stops the flow of blood out to your extremities, like to the tip of your nose. You know when you get cold, the tip of your nose will get kind of numb and whitish. Your fingers get that way. Your body's working really hard to stave off the heat loss, so it doesn't want to send as much blood out to places that lose blood easily. But as

you tire and you start to peter out, that gives way. Your body can't expend the energy necessary to do that and it opens those up and it's a rush of heat so it's like your your fingers have gotten very cold your limbs have gotten very cold your face has gotten very cold and all of a sudden your body's like blah i can't do it anymore and all that hot blood rushes out of those things and people apparently get this feeling of intense heat wow right before they start yeah and then so they'll find someone

and it's always like you know know, he's got some clothes over here and his wedding rings laying over that way. And, you know. Fuck. Wedding rings burn. But. You know what, man? I was down fishing in Florida and I got bit up by black flies real bad.

And the first time since I got married, I took my wedding ring off for a day. And. It felt so good got married, I took my wedding ring off for a day. And I felt so good. I got like a guilty conscious feeling. And I had to put it back on even though it's uncomfortable because I just felt guilty. And then I get here and I'm looking through my bag and find my wife's wedding ring in my backpack. Because like a week ago, she didn't know where to put it. And I put it in my backpack. I called her and be like, do you even know?

Do you even wonder where your wedding ring is You just hear a bunch of dudes in the background Come back to the hot tub I didn't know we had a hot tub in our house I'm sitting here like trying to scratch under mine And hers is just in some unknown location I left my I left my wedding ring at a spa Where I got a massage from a dude

So I go I get massages a spa where I got a massage from a dude. So I go. I get massages from dudes now. I gave up because girls can't do it hard enough. They can't. I need deep tissue, and it's brutal. It's painful. It doesn't feel good, but you've got to have a man doing it because women, they're not strong enough to do it.

Some women are. They use their elbows really well, but I prefer borderline violent. Is that hard to come with a guy, though? It's not that hard. So anyway, I go and I come back, and she always makes fun of me for getting massaged by dudes, right? And then I go, fuck, I left my wedding ring there. So I run back. I get the wedding ring.

I come back home. She goes, was it in his ass?'s hilarious that's so awesome oh yeah it was fucking hilarious by the way did you actually go to dick party in my mouth and see what that was no i just made that up go check it out is it real yeah go check it out it's hilarious powerful dick party we were talking about um who is domain name privacy that when you register a domain, you can also register it anonymously so people don't know who owns dickpartyinmymouth.com. They're going to be surprised.

Why was it surprising? It's pretty shocking. I was going to tell you at the beginning. Pretty shocking? Yeah. I would think with the URL, I mean, like, how shocking would it be? What's your next trip?

How do you top the URL? It's all about the Constitution. How weird is this? Oh, it is? Oh, it's DeathSquad.tv. That's hilarious. Did you just transfer it? I bought that during the commercial.

Oh, that's hilarious. And signed up and everything. That's a good move, man. That's a smart move. How much did something like that cost? 13 bucks. Bam! Because I used to keep on code Rogan and save 10%.

Hey, guys. Guys, while we're doing this, just want to let you know. Are you not going to fucking pump up your shows? No, I would never do that. Are you going to try to tell people where you're going to do comedy? No. If you happen to be in Edmonton April 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, then come to the comic strip if you're there. I mean, but otherwise, don't.

Steve, you are the only hunting show that I know of that shows on a regular basis. You'll show if you get skunked, you know? Yeah, we call them skunkers. Yeah, you'll show, he'll have a whole episode. Like, there was an episode where you were going after our dad, was it? That one you got so close, but it was like too dark for you to, like... We've done four

skunkers. Skunker means you can't get nothing. Oh, I thought you were talking about getting skunked. No, no, no, no. Skunked like zero. Oh, man. Yeah, skunk is like not getting anything. Yeah. The first time we filmed a skunker, I'll stop using that lingo.

The first time we filmed an unsuccessful hunt. Right. I was very nervous, and I was trying to make the case that we wouldn't air it. I don't know why. Now it seems stupid, but at the time it seemed like a good idea that we wouldn't air it. I don't know why. Now it seems stupid, but at the time it seemed like a good idea that we wouldn't air it. And then one time we went out, we went to hunt mountain lions with hounds with a friend of mine,

and went and spent six days hunting, didn't get anything. Came back, went back out again, spent I think seven days hunting, didn't get anything. And at that point, we just had it. So then we cut that into one. And oftentimes it winds up being that um not oftentimes it's almost like the norm in a way is people will then pick those out as their favorite shows really yeah you know and i think it gets back to that thing i was talking about earlier like is um is that whole thing of like

courting uncertainty do you know what i mean yeah and like like things that are challenging and things you won't figure out so i think people like to see that represented also i'll say that there's a big rift in um in hunting as experienced by the american sportsman in hunting as seen on hunting television you know for, for me growing up, like, we would start hunting deer with a bow on October 1, and you could hunt deer right up almost to rifle season, which was November 15th, and you had 10 days to hunt with a rifle. Then you'd pick your bow back up, and you'd hunt to December 31st. And it would be plausible that you would hunt pretty hard through that whole thing and never get a deer.

It was just the thing that happened, man. You would, like, you know, most years you'd get a deer, but you might not. And there's a lot of guys right now, like right now it's turkey season. There's a lot of guys around this country facing the prospect that they worked pretty hard and hunted five, six, seven days, and they won't get a turkey. So I think that people, and I think that, like, the assumption is always that people do want to get something, and they do. And so when they're watching something, like when they're watching television, it's a form of escapism.

And so you want to see people achieve what you wish you achieved. And so there would be a thing like you'd want to go and see, like, I dream of killing a big buck. I want to watch a guy shoot 10 big bucks. And that's like one form of entertainment but i think at the same time people like to see in some way their life reflected back to them i think more and more people actually are going the route that you just described they want to see that that authentic experience especially because a lot of reality tv now is very unrealistic yeah it's very hey man you got to pull up to that mic yeah it's okay it's so hard yeah no but a lot of reality TV now is very unrealistic. Hey man, you've got to pull up to that mic.

It's okay. It's so hard. But a lot of reality TV right now is not really reality TV. It's scripted. And so there is something completely unscripted. You know it's real if you're watching Meat Eater and you don't get anything. You know that's a real show. You know that really happens.

It wasn't like we actually got a bunch of stuff. It's got to be better you know show that sometimes you don't exactly but you know and that's the thing i mean you talk to anybody who's hunted for for any amount of time and a huge part of the hunting is is is about going out with the guys that that you're going hunting with and it's about the experience it's not about what you bring home in terms of the the the game right what you bring home up here and in here yeah i think um it's important to show that you don't always get something because it's you're you're it's a real show the everything you're doing is real you know and that's a that's part of the whole thing you gotta it's got to be a part of the the whole

presentation it also lends to the drama. Yeah. When there are some shows you don't get it. That Our Dad's Cheap one was a great one. Even though you didn't get one, it's just like seeing you in the dusk where it was just getting like, I need five more minutes. Five more minutes of fucking light. And you just couldn't get it.

Like, shit. You had it. You had it right in your sights. That's real. The mountain lion thing is real. And I wanted to talk to you about the mountain line thing for a couple let me i want to add one thing to what you're saying i do want to talk about the mountain line thing because the jaguar thing too but yeah um we did have a guy email one time all the emails you get like people saying i love that you show like some failure we had an email from a guy who was vowing he'll never watch the show again.

Because he has enough failure in his life. And doesn't want to see other people fail. That's hilarious. That's so awesome. I got to appreciate him. That's so honest. Yeah, me too. I got to appreciate that guy. That's true.

I mean, it is a fucking TV show. And I'll tell you what i watch ted nugent every week god damn he never misses that's like steve burns joke where a girl calls up and she's like you never guess what almost happened he's like nothing because it was almost click ted nugent shoots he'll shoot three deer with a bow and arrow in the first five minutes of a show and i'm not bullshitting right he shot three deer with bows and arrows yeah i mean it's and my my favorite part about it he after he shoots a deer he goes can you believe that how do you believe he just fucking did you just shot one five minutes ago i don't know what

kind of limits ted nugent has in his backyard i don't know if it's like a land management issue you know where you can you can make the The call if you got a high fence operation In Texas like how many you decide to take out You can do your own management Yeah That's management He's sitting up there in a fucking tree stand Blasting deer with his bow and arrow

Yeah there's a lot of variability It surprises people That don't have a familiarity with hunting One it surprises people that there's regulations at all sometimes. Like if you grow up, I have friends in New York who are pleasantly surprised to hear that wild game is managed.

And I think also, beyond that, it's surprising to people the variations from the different states, their strategy in how they're managing. I think a lot of it comes down to how much the state's public. And like Texas, their strategy in in how they're managing i think a lot of it comes down to what a lot of it comes down to how much the state's public and like texas they even got a school got rid of school trust lands so like used to be the one in every 36 sections belonging to the state and they could

use that to either build schools on or use that land to fund school construction and they threw mineral leasing or timber rights whatever and at a point Texas even scrapped that they even sold that off into private interest so they it's like there really is like public trust wildlife isn't as vital in a place like Texas because there's not publicly owned land with publicly owned wildlife on it Wow you know that's kind of crazy isn't it yeah you take a state like everything is probably yeah a state like you guys that you guys have humongous national forests right there's a lot of public trust land and public trust wildlife in places like california so you have a

you have the government plays a much stronger hand and a much more detail oriented hand and like what's happening all this stuff was our harvest, than in some states where it kind of tends to be like, well, it's your land, you figure it out. Your show on the mountain lions, one of the specific reasons I wanted to bring that up is because the idea of hunting with hogs, or hunting with dogs, rather, that wouldn't work at all. They're not going to listen to you.

Two hogs? I cannot get a mountain lion with these stupid hogs. God! Dude, I'm sorry. My iPhone rode hogs. I meant you need trained dogs. Fuck, man! I was confused.

I'm a mountain lion hunter. I told people I'm a hunter. Now I look like an asshole on Facebook. I named my hog Fido. Damn it! In California, you can't hunt with dogs anymore. Facebook. I named my hog Fido. Damn it. Talk to me. In California, you can't hunt with dogs anymore. And some people are concerned about that.

I've heard people say that they're worried that the mountain lion population is going to get too strong if they do that. Especially people who have lost dogs or who know people who have been fucking bikers and shit that get taken out. But California doesn't allow it anymore coincidentally i saw a mountain lion last week in santa barbara did you really yeah small mountain line wasn't very big i thought it was a coyote at first because but it wasn't you know coyotes they move kind of stiff this thing had like this bounce to it and i saw the tail that's a good way of putting it yeah wasn't a bobcat no it was a tail at a long tail it was mountain lion it was probably 70 pounds wow yeah i think you're seeing like yeah and i don't mean to say that like i hate to i don't want to sound like you know like taking cheap shots you know at

california or anything but you're seeing a pretty uh a real erosion of um you know hunting right like a gradual not even grab a pretty steady erosion of hunting you know, hunting, right? Like a gradual, not even grab a pretty steady erosion of hunting rights in California. There was a debate, but that's not easy. Cause there's a thing that there's a thing. I mentioned this somewhere in something I wrote where you can go to American,

like you can go to the American public and say like, yes or no. Like, do you approve of, of regulated hunting? Okay. and you get the vast majority of americans it's something ridiculous like 74 or 75 of americans um will say like yes i approve of hunting but then you start asking them specifics you know like well how about hunting with dogs right and then those numbers start to go down right when you start because you can kind of

it's easy to sell people on the idea it's easy to sell people who've never seen a hunting dog or never had experience with a hunting dog have never laid eyes on a lion it's easy to sell them on the idea that somehow there's no challenge in it right you know and so then you can you can a way to chip away like a way to chip away at liberty, like personal liberty and stuff, is just to do like one little thing at a time. We'll do this. We'll do that. We'll do this. We'll do that.

And so like there will never be a thing like we'll ban hunting. It will just be that you can't hunt on this kind of land. You can't hunt this kind of animal this way. Well, in fact, we don't want you hunting that kind of animal at all. And you see that in certain places. Colorado has had some experience with that. You got the lead ammo ban in the California condor range that they're trying to expand statewide. So you couldn't use lead ammo to hunt at all. Even in places where there are no condors.

Right. I heard a big debate about this mountain lion issue. And one of the things that the guy from the Fish and Wildlife Service said is, what you guys don't realize is if you're actually a preservationist, the majority of money that we collect to preserve the land you like to hike in comes from hunters. It comes from hunting licenses. That's where the Fish and Wildlife Service and these different organizations that are responsible for maintenance of the land that is hunted, hiked on and camped on. That's the 90, some crazy amount, 95 percent, some crazy amount. I can't remember the percentage comes from hunters and the dues and fees they have to pay to hunt that land. So I think that the debate has to be couched in those terms, too.

If you really wanted to get rid of hunters, we wouldn't have revenue to actually maintain those parks. Well, I think there's also this need to appease a certain liberal part of the population that is very uncomfortable with hunting in the first place and would like to look at people hunting with dogs as, OK, Jesus Christ, that's barbaric. You're sicking dogs on them and then you're shooting them it's poor defenseless animals i understand but there's there's especially when it comes to predators there's a population management issue that they're not willing to address and if you don't address that you're going to deal with it in the suburbs okay they just shot a fucking mountain lion with a tranquilizer dart in glendale the other day yeah it's all in the news and uh they killed one in Santa Monica A year ago that was 90 fucking pounds I saw one in Santa Barbara the other day

I mean, I'm not comfortable Like with those things Like getting more popular I'm never Comfortable with terms like Overpopulated Because it's just like, I don't know really how to define it But overpopulated in the sense

That you're going to wind up seeing impacts that might be counter to what it is you're going after. You know, like you'll lose in fringe areas. You might lose species to predation and have predation have a serious effect on species that you maybe will want back at some point. Isn't that what happened with wolves in Yellowstone? Isn't that what is happening? Yeah. Yeah, they're having issues. You're seeing like a radical, radical decline,

a radical, very localized decline in elk and moose, okay? And it's hard for people. If you look at a map of the country and what used to be wolf territory, and at the time of European country and what used to be wolf territory and and at the time of european contact it was wolf country the country you know the entire nation was in some way or another had had wolves not the entire place but a lot of it had wolves now let's say you're a guy and you live in colorado all right and you hear that they're hunting wolves in montana

you're probably thinking but we don't even have wolves in Colorado. Or we do, but there's not many, and it's kind of controversial whether there's a stable breeding population or not. And you're telling me that they're killing them right up in Montana because it's hard for people to visualize the localized impact of these things. So you can have too many wolves in Montana and then jump down through Wyoming and you enter Colorado, and you could have not enough. Why is that?

Do wolves – I guess they stay within a certain territory. They stay within a certain territory, and they have a really – I mean they have a profound effect on stuff. You got to think like – have you guys been to Yellowstone National Park? Yeah, when I was a kid. Yellowstone National Park, the last – like Yellowstone National Park was hunted for 9 I was a kid. Yellowstone National Park, you know, the last, like, Yellowstone National Park was hunted for, you know, 9,000 or 10,000 years. I think the oldest artifact they found that they have reliably dated from Yellowstone is something like a spear point from 9,000 years ago. Those mine.

Yeah, it's Joe's. But the last 100 years, no one's hunted it. That's kind of a lie. Yellowstone Park, when Yellowstone Park became a park, there was still an Indian War. Like, the Nez Perce went through there and killed some tourists while they were fleeing the U.S. military. After that, they banned hunting in Yellowstone National Park. Anyone who goes to Yellowstone National Park now will see the way that elk and everything just has no concern for humans.

They've ruled out that humans are troublesome. So you had this long absence of no wolves in that ecosystem. And when you put wolves back in, it's just taken those animals a really long time. To figure out. To get back to knowing what it's going to be. And so we had inflated numbers of elk. Some would argue inflated numbers of elk. Some would argue inflated numbers of moose. And when the wolves came back, it's just's just i mean just plowed them into the ground

there's talk there's hurt mountain ranges that maybe had 9 000 elk now they're down to less than 2 000 oh my i was talking with a guy from a conservation organization that deals with elk and they're looking at the very real probability of if the wolf situation ever does get under control in the area of having to reintroduce elk into some mountain ranges because there's a paucity of breeding age females. Oh, my God, because they're all getting killed by wolves. But you still have groups that are trying to stop the wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho.

Well, the problem is also I heard you can't actually shoot your way out of this problem when it comes to wolves, in fact. I was surprised to hear that. Yeah, but then that poisons foxes and all that. The problem is also I heard you can't actually, you can't shoot your way out of this problem when it comes to wolves, in fact. You got a poison. I was surprised to hear that. Yeah, but then that poisons boxes and all that. Drones. Now you're talking, Joe. Look, I've never been a fan of wolves.

People try to pretend they're dogs and get all attached to them because, you know, it looks like your collie. That's a fucking wolf, and that'll eat you, and they've eaten people before. In fact, I told a story on the podcast about France. France? Did I say it right? France? Did you say France? Oh, the wolves that used to come in there. You mean 40 fucking people. you and they've eaten people before in fact i i told the story on the podcast about france france did i say brian france the wolves that used to come in 40 fucking people before they cornered them and killed them i mean they've always eaten people really i mean i don't think there's any real argument you made that there's a human risk not yet the highways no but there's arguments made that there's an ecological risk i think there's still a human risk i think if you get around a big pack of them and you just a child happens to be in that area while that's

all going down someone sneaks out of a house and they have a farm and like there's a story i read online about this woman who is watching these wolves tear apart sheep in her backyard it was fucking wild don't play around She said they got into this, they had a pen of sheep, and they got in, and there was like four or five wolves were just running through, ripping these sheep apart.

And you just heard these horrific noises of tearing and growling and horrible sheep screams. And it's all just... And she's looking out the window watching this going, holy fuck. Imagine that.

That's going down in your yard. And then they know that this is a place where food is. How big is a timber wolf? They go up to like 120, 130 pounds. Yeah, I think bigger than that. Well, the real big ones that they're experiencing now, I mean these deer are getting very large from eating all these elk and eating all these deer that didn't know they were coming. There's people that are shooting them. They're taking pictures of them.

You would swear it's a Photoshop. These are enormous fucking wolves. You're like, guys holding them and the thing looks as long as them. I mean, I don't know what it weighs. It's more than 150 pounds. They're big dogs or big wolves. I actually like, you know, I don't want to get rid of all the wolves, man. Like, I support wolf recovery.

Cam, you got, I mean, you deal with wildlife, not so much wildlife politics, but sort of like public perception, public opinion. Would you say that, I mean, hunters are being billed as being wanting to destroy wolves, but I think it's not really, that's not what I hear. No, it's not about destroying the wolf. Pull that mic up, brother. Pull that mic up. It's about getting that balance back. Right. I mean, that's the thing.

So you've got these groups that are out there trying to stop the wolf hunt. They want to put the wolf back on the endangered species list even though the wolf is no longer endangered. The wolf isn't threatened in these areas. Again, these local areas that we're talking about here in the state of Idaho or the state of Montana. There is a way to try to manage the wildlife so you get that balance. But right now, what you've seen is sort of it's out of whack. And right now the wolf has the advantage. And we're continuing to give the advantage to the wolf in some of these states.

And I think that's why you're trying to – that's where that battle comes in right now. No one wants to see – I don't think anybody wants to see wolves eradicated. There's these people, these unrealistic urban people, and that's really what it boils down to. Oh, yeah. urban people and that's really what it boils down to the people that are really almost all the people that are against uh hunting or against uh the the idea of uh wildlife uh wildlife management almost all of them live in cities when when people live in a place where you you have to contend with it someone has to be the top predator and if it's not going to be a person it's not going to be people and you're living around these animals it's going to be them and predator. And if it's not going to be a person, it's not going to be people, and you're living around these animals, it's going to be them.

And that's just the reality of the food chain of life. If you're a meek person and you're wandering around through the woods and you stumble into a pack of hungry wolves and haven't seen an elk because they've decimated the population, they'll kill you. I mean that's reality. Especially if you're a vegan. It might not happen. It might not happen, but it's happened before. A woman died in Alaska recently. She was killed by wolves.

She was also wearing an elk suit. Yeah, but that was the first documented case in a long time. Yeah, like 100 years, right? In that state, I think that 95% of traditional wolf habitat in Alaska is still occupied by wolves. Wow. And they have very, very few fatalities. I think that moose kill more people. Yeah, they do.

They're in anything else. Yeltsin National Park, the greatest cause of injury in Yeltsin National Park, is getting gored by a buffalo. Dude, my parents live in Utah in Park City. You know what they always tell you, the locals? They go, hey, be careful of moose. Please don't think of them as deer. Do not approach them. And what do people do? They're like, be careful of moose. Please don't think of them as deer. Do not approach them.

And what do people do? They're like, there's a moose. Going to take a picture. And the moose is like, nah, I'm going to trample you now. People get killed by moose. Yeah, they'll fuck you up. Again, you should say, you know, urban areas, a lot of people who grow up in urban areas, only live in urban areas, have very unrealistic expectations of what animals are. They have this anthropomorphic, you know, oh, it's Thumper and it's Bambi, and they don't understand.

No. You know, I just became a farmer now, so I have pigs and I have chickens. And it's so completely different to actually, like, sit down and study these animals. Are you doing it for a business? Are you doing it for meat to provide for yourself? Yes, all of the above. I mean, eventually I'd like to get to the point where I can sell some, you know, we're doing heritage livestock. I was just discussing doing something like this recently. I was like, it seems like if you have resources and you could get a plot of land and hire people to take care of it and grow it and have animals that you slaughter there and have food that you grow there.

Why wouldn't you do that? If you could do that, why wouldn't you do that? Absolutely. It drives me crazy to hear these people say, oh, but look, the pig is smiling and the pig is happy and the pig loves you. How are you going to kill that pig and turn it into bacon? I'm telling you, the pig doesn't love

me. The pig is a pig. The pig doesn't know. I'm a you, the pig doesn't love me. The pig is a pig. The pig doesn't know. I mean, I'm a lovable guy, but you know, I'd be honest with you. The point is, I think a good way to look at it is some man thoughts together. A good way to look at it is that pig

is not going to live forever. If you don't kill that pig, it's not going to turn into a fairy and cure cancer. It's a fucking pig. They live to be about 15, then they die. And when they die, if you don't eat them before they die, you lose all the delicious meat. This pig, the pigs that I have on my farm

would not exist unless we were going to eat them. By that logic, you could make your own kids and start eating them. We were talking about cannibalism earlier. I made kids, because where I live it gets cold. See, I made kids for the free labor. See, I'm like Steve.

I've got five. And hell yeah, it's about doing the chores and all the stuff I don't want to do. Get out there and mow my yard. That's a lot of kids. How many do you have, Joe? Pull it up. Three. Oh, you have three?

Yeah. So you don't have the facility where you would do this agriculture? No, no, I don't. But I would think about buying a piece of land and just getting something popping out. That's a good idea, man. It would look sweet because you'd be like prominent podcast host, comic actor, and farmer. Go rogue. I think it makes – well, I have chickens.

Just recently got chickens so that I could eat their eggs. But I've been thinking about this for a while. Everybody's worried about GMO foods and everybody's worried about Monsanto and they're worried about what's organic, what's not organic, and what are the standards. If you grow your own shit, you know exactly what it is. And you can take care of your soil. Italy still. Italy, if you go through – I took a train from –

I'm not going to Italy. Oh, I took a train from the north to the south. He's trying to become sophisticated again. Yeah, but he's got – Don't you have – This will read into a story about someone's fantasy. When I went to Italy – I say Italy. Everybody in their backyard grows their own food.

Like it's so common. My grandfather used to do that. People's backyards are gardens, man. My grandfather did not have a big yard in New Jersey. But every part of the – we got coconut water. What do you want, man. My grandfather did not have a big yard in New Jersey. But every part of the... We got coconut water? What do you want, man? You want coffee?

Yeah, I'll take coconut water. You want a coffee? You ever have bulletproof coffee? Do you know what bulletproof coffee... Do we have any more? Will you explain it to me? Yeah, bulletproof coffee is not just no malt. Do we have any more?

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Yeah, thank you. Gardens and becoming a farmer? The idea has been fucking around with me for the past couple of months. I didn't know you got chickens, man. So you could just have them right at your house. Yeah, built a chicken coop. Do you have somebody taking care of it or is it just real easy like this? No, it's not that hard. I just built a planter.

Yeah, beers. I had a planter built. I just think it's a great idea. And I think that the idea of relying on somebody else for your own food ultimately is like why would you do that if you have the resources? Yep. You know? And is there only one left? Is that what it is?

Three left. Bring them all out. The idea that we all rely on supermarkets. You look at what happened with Hurricane Sandy. New York got shut down. I was talking to my buddy Tommy. He's like, I had to drive hours just to be able to use my cell phone. The towers were down. Everything was down.

There was no power. Everything was fucked. And him talking about it, he's like, dude, that was scary as shit, man. He goes, because I realized this whole thing is very fragile. If you don't know where your food's coming from, he goes, we went to the supermarket. It was just insane. It was just empty shelf after empty shelf people had just taken everything there was nothing left yeah so there's not a supply sam sam what about water i don't have any water reserves i have underground tunnels i have nothing i save in my basement now i'm getting to be like an old

weird man where i save um freeze-dried food and stuff in my basement very smart you know but. But I still haven't done the water thing is the one you got to do. I got to get the water tank. That's a big one. The farming deal, home farming, my brother, he has those pack llamas. You've seen those pack llamas? Yeah, I love those things. So he bought a 10-acre pasture, like a very unpicturesque, just like an irrigated pasture, and realized that his llambs would just inhabit like a

back corner and wouldn't use diddly of this pasture. So just because he's just a pragmatic, resourceful person. And he thought it's out there. It's getting wet and growing grass. So he started putting out lambs.

Then he put out goats. Now he's got a calf out there. And this guy, he hunts so much. So he hunts all his ownbs and he put out goats now he's got a calf out there and this guy he hunts so much so he hunts all his own meat and he eats the meat he hunts and he just puts it out there and takes care of it makes sure it has water and then like gives all that stuff to his friends who come over and butcher the lambs and take them home and feed them to their kids it's just kind of a sense of like if the land's there you know what i mean it's like it's there it's just kind of a sense of like if the lands there you know I mean it's like it's there it's been manipulated by man it's not like he's preserving some kind of like you know primeval ecosystem it's just an irrigated pasture of

alfalfa right he's like why not just have that be like have output right it's just pleasant to look out my window and be like it's producing yeah yeah producing thing when you have when you have when you have a acre of land or whatever that is and he's growing alfalfa is that all you need for the animal to live basically you just put it out there and they just live on that well i'm delving way into stuff i don't understand now but i know that camper i speak this better because that he's got alfalfa but it's an old alfalfa field so i think people typically in some areas i know replant alfalfa every seven years because eventually the alfalfa loses out to other plant species it's my understanding i don't know for

sure that there's a lot of animals if you go out and put them on just that i'm sure there's a lot of guys that know a lot about this like cringing right now if you go and put them on just alfalfa it's considered to be like a hot food and they'll overeat. It's too rich and it can damage themselves if you put them out on just like pure alfalfa. That's interesting because I read that deer that eat out of alfalfa fields are delicious. They actually have like a little more fat. Some species can hack it, but I know – I think that I've been told that horses – does any of this make sense to you? A little bit, but I'm more pig and chicken as opposed to lamb and stuff.

Does that make sense with alfalfa making the deer taste better? Yeah, I think it would. But the deer is not going to just be eating alfalfa either. I mean the deer is going to be roaming and getting a lot of different sources. How much land as a farmer do you need to grow your own meat and your own vegetables? Not much, man. Not much. I mean really, not much.

You could do it on, so we've got 40 acres, but right now we're only using about four. And we've got, you know, we've got our big garden. We've got our chickens that are free ranging. We've got the pigs. We're going to be getting some dairy goats. And really, like, you know, and really four acres is, we don't even use all that space. I mean, they're spread out. The pigs are over here.

The chickens are over here. The goats are out in another outer pasture. But you guys could feed like 30 people off 40 acres or way more. Well, that's why eventually what we want to do is to get into the business side of it and to start selling some stuff and really even like some of the vegetables. I want to do a pickle company one day. I want to start pickling shit. What do you feed your pigs? Assholes.

Assholes. Human assholes. TSA workers. We have pig feed right now that they sell in like big old dog food bags. We go to Tractor Supply and get 50-pound bags of pig feed. They eat the roots and the pig pen, and then we're about ready to move them out to a bigger area that's going to be about an acre. And they'll wander around. They'll eat.

They must eat. They must have a shit load, though. When I was a kid – Dude, never stop. When I was a kid, my stepdad was in school, and one of the agriculture classes that he had to take was this co-op farm that people in the school all did together. They had animals, and they grew plants. It was a pretty involved thing. And I remember even as a kid saying, what a cool idea, the idea that they all chip in together. Everybody does a little piece of something, and of communicates what needs to get done.

And if you think about that in a real neighborhood, man, you could have – as long as you had the soil and as long as you had the resources to get it started and then make it so it's self-sufficient. If you had a sizable piece of land and everybody sort of chipped in and you grew livestock and you grew plants and you know, you fed them and everything. It seems like it would be so economically manageable. I mean, like people would get all their food. Can you imagine if like we all got all our food from like a lot down the corner where we all knew that this goat had beaten all these food that we had given it and you know, you knew exactly where the tomato came from because you put the fucking seed in the ground. This is happening to the point where in cities now,

they have flatbed trucks that you can rent where you have a flatbed truck. They got a bunch of soil on that flatbed truck. They're also doing it on roofs. And so what people are doing is getting timeshares and saying, I want to buy a share of that flatbed truck flatbed truck comes out you garden it you take your vegetables for the day and it moves on to the next house also they're doing it with like there's a lot of roof

space like in china they built a whole city i guess where the roofs are basically planters to grow the food for the city i just saw a story story out of Chicago where they're using some of the old warehouses and they're just turning them into indoor farms. Did you see those two CIA workers whose house got broken into in Kansas? The fucking DEA came in, guns blazing, because they thought these people were growing weed. And they were former CIA agents, and they were growing tomatoes and vegetables in their basement.

They had a whole hydroponic vegetable system set up with lights. Well, these assholes drive around looking for a heat signature from your home that shows that you're using some extraordinary amount of light, which mostly people are using to grow weed. So they come in, fucking guns out and, you know, DEA dogs and shit. No pot! And it's two fucking former CIA agents going, you crazy assholes! The fuck is wrong with you? How about you knock on the door, I show you

my badge and my fucking tomatoes. Right. You know, I wanna... How about you do a fucking search of the guy who lives there? Oh, it's that CIA guy. Let's go arrest him and his wife. They're probably selling weed. CIA, it makes sense.

Yeah, exactly. Crazy fucks. We had this thing happen recently where it was like this perfect cohesion of hunting and farming. We were down in Florida, and we're hunting turkeys on this guy's ranch. And the guy keeps coming and getting us because he wants us to go out at night and run hogs with his hound dogs.

And what it is is he's got a cattle ranch that's near Okeechobee, Florida. And there's a, I heard two figures, 55,000 or 45,000 acre nature preserve down there. It has a lot of rare native birds or 45,000 acre nature preserve down there. It has a lot of rare native birds on it. And the nature preserves MO is they just acquire agricultural land when it comes up for sale.

And they take out the dike systems and put it back in the bird habitat. And it's funny because this guy actually has sold this preserve some of his land. And he is putting his whole place into a conservation easement so that at a time he's like my whole place is going to be part of that and he was he was actually glad about it he liked he liked the preserve but a big enemy of the preserve is wild pigs which consume a lot of ground nesting shorebird eggs so they have a guy the preserve is so tight so tightly administered that you can't in most areas you can't walk around in there okay and they have a guy that contracts to kill wild pigs so this guy has a contract where he's supposed to kill x number of pigs every year he can't in any way keep up with them this guy that has his cattle ranch

likes to hunt pigs and he would always go back and hunt the the boundary between his ranch and the preserve because so many there's such a great influx of pigs coming off the preserve at night, coming onto his ranch to get into less utilized land. But his dogs would chase him, and the pigs would promptly run back into that preserve where he couldn't pursue them. So he gets some hog-proof fence and builds a 400-acre enclosure abutting the preserve. a 400-acre enclosure abutting the preserve. On the wall of his fence that actually adjoins the preserve,

he puts in trap doors, hinged doors. So the pigs can come in and out. In, but they can't go out. No, but he props the door open, okay? And he kind of watches, and he's always out there checking for tracks. And after a while, he'll realize there's a lot of pig traffic coming out of the preserve onto his land. Then what he'll do, he knows that after dark they come onto his ranch, and before daybreak they drift back to the preserve.

Closes the door. So he goes out at 4 in the morning and shuts all those doors. He's got these doors strung out for like a mile. He's got them strung out for like a mile every 10 yards little doors with a stick holding that's hilarious drives this thing down pulls all the sticks that's hilarious and then cuts his dogs loose oh my god so we go out with him and right away we go out dogs like these pit bulls or pit bull-esque i'm not good enough with dogs but not no he's got he's got bloodhounds over Big, overbred pit bulls. He's got trailers and catchers. Yeah, two different types of dogs.

Yeah, his bloodhounds find them, but they won't – he don't like to let the bloodhounds actually catch the pig. In fact, one of his dogs got really tore up. But then he puts a holding dog out, big pit bull-like dog, who secures the pig. The first pig we catch, I mean, this barely even – Those Argentino dogs, too. Yeah, there's Doggo Argentino. Doggo Argentino, they use them as well. They use American Bulldogs, too.

Yeah. This guy, the first one we get, it's not even dark yet, and we get one. It's a big boar, and he's intact. He's got his nutsack on him still. And the guy, like, this one's not. Why, do the dogs usually pull it off? No, no, I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself. Just hold that piece of information for me.

Nutsack. He's got his nutsack with him. Hold the nutsack for a moment, Joe. And he says this one won't be any good to eat. Like, they're too lean. They got a lot of testosterone. They don't take good care of themselves. And he takes this pig.

It's a big pig, you know. Not big and not like the ones you see on the internet, but, you know, a sizable 170-pound pig. And he puts it in a trailer just to confine in there we go out hunt again and the violator the dogs bust this other pig out of a out of a palm grove they call it a hammock like an island of palm trees out in the grasslands and they catch it and this pig's castrated and it castrated like a boar that's been castrated as a barrel hog and And the incision where the hog had been castrated is all healed up. And they told me that when we catch a boar, we always castrate it and then turn it back loose. Because two things happen.

One, the pig won't procreate, won't contribute to the problem that the preserver is having. And the problem that he has for pigs on his land rooting his area up. And it'll do what he says is take its mind off grass and put it on. It'll take its mind off ass and put it on the grass. And he says in 90 days, that boar will be fantastic eating. And they'll have a layer of fat on them. So we cut the juggler on the castrated pig and kept it for meat and it smelled great and was beautiful the next day we go out with the

boar we caught and they take a knife and castrate that boar and turn them out knowing that sometime down the road they'll be lucky and catch that boar again and he'll be a barrel and then he'll be good to eat. These boys do this every week. How do you secure a boar, a powerful boar's head? I'm telling you what. I mean to Catherine. It's amazing. Watch how the dogs take them and hold them.

Yeah, but these guys are cattle ranchers. These guys are cattle ranchers. So, I mean, it's a daily occurrence for them to wrestle. Like, yeah, one, the dog does it because they grab him by the ear, grab him by the head, and pin him down. Now, the tracking dogs caught the pig, and the pig caught one of the tracking dogs real good. And he was going to take that dog to the vet. And I asked him, I bet your vet probably, you know, doesn't like you bringing in dogs that may have gotten injured in something that the vet might regard as unnecessary. He goes, yeah, but that's why I go to a vet who likes to run

pigs with his dogs. Well, once you start realizing how many pigs there are, especially Texas, there's millions of feral pigs. Millions. They have a real problem. Millions. They have a real problem. Look, I know you don't like that show, Pig Man, but

I like it. I don't say that show Pigman, but I like it. I don't say that. There's this thing. There's an anti-intellectualism. I have an aesthetic. I have a hunting aesthetic and an approach to wildlife that I admire and that I try to stand by. No, I know you do. We had long conversations about it.

So helicopter gunships are not your – Well, it's not really hunting. It's not my idea, honey. It's not really hunting. I mean what they're doing is they're getting away with being psychopaths. And if you haven't seen it, Brian, pull it up. It's a – It's eradication of a pest.

It's Pigman and Ted Nugent shoot pigs from a helicopter. They give all the money, all the meat to the needy, by the way. Oh, yeah. Look. And by the way, it's a real fucking problem. They really do have to eradicate these populations of pigs. They tear up. I mean, they show these crops that are getting fucked up by these pigs in the episode.

I want some hog. Let's go hunting. Can we do that? But I just wanted to ask you, what does the one with his nuts taste like? You didn't tell us that. We haven't cooked it yet. We're cooking it on April 25th. But it won't be as good, you don't think?

Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. No, no. Okay, on April 25th, I'm cooking the castor, the barrel hog. Right. Now, I have eaten boars with their nuts, but I've never eaten a boar that was as aged and as venerable as that one. You could tell that he was a very old battle scarred boar and very lean and these guys i might have eaten and thought it was okay and it might be

that these guys have very high expectations you know they pig hunt enough or they have a sense of like what's best and what's not best the same way that uh you might disregard a hot dog, half a hot dog laying on the side of the road, but another person might be in a situation where they'd really appreciate that hot dog. So for these guys who hunt boars a lot and eat them and love to eat them, they were like, nuh-uh. And when I expressed interest in the intact hog, talk being like i don't care i want it they were so adamant that it wouldn't be good that they were denying me getting it like they didn't want and it wasn't because they were in love with the pig they're like no no no we'll

get you good and we'll get you good and that was no good for you maybe that was their that was their take on more i i tend to like leaner meat anyway i i really i do too but i will tell you this when they do and and you know i have pretty you know i've done a few i've done a bit of pig hunting and and they can get where they do have quite an odor to them and this boar just stunk like dork you know but this comes from guy who will eat black bears that have been feeding on salmon right and what is that like dead salmon it's like rotten meat their meat tastes like rotten salmon yeah because i'm telling you man like the fat is so the fat just carries there's a book on the side harold mcgee's book um on cooking the science and lore of cooking or science and lore of the kitchen, he has an explanation there why animal fat is such a reliable indicator of what the animal has been up to.

I should refer your listeners to that rather than try to explain it myself. But you showed that on your show when you shot that bear that had eaten blueberries. It's just unbelievable. And you can just drink the fat. You can melt the fat and drink it, and it tastes good. Now, the fat on a salmon bear, you really have to carefully, and this is in the spring when they haven't actually eaten a salmon in six months or something, you have to very carefully trim that fat away.

Then the flesh becomes more palatable. But it's just kind of atrocious. And I got a friend in Montana. He shot a bear over a rotten cow one time. Same thing. He thought it was nearly inedible. So what do you do when you have that situation? Do you continue to eat the animal just out of respect?

Like if something, if I'm eating meat that's great, okay, super high-quality meat, I cook in a high-quality way where I do as little to it as possible. I'll take a lot. Like, you know, we ate some pretty pretty straight up meat when we were out. Yeah, right out of the animal. Just like meat cooked to warm with salt

on it. So good meat, I'll do that. If I get an animal that's funky, and I killed a female pig one time that was probably one of the worst game animals I've ever done. A, I'm just going to eat it. For me, any displeasure i experience eating off tasting flesh isn't as bad as the displeasure that i would experience

from having killed a big game animal and not consumed it that's a very great statement so for me it's just i'm gonna eat it and whether i make pepper to eat it. And whether I make pepperoni sticks, if it's bad, I make pepperoni sticks, I eat the thing. And I haven't always done that. I've explained to you many times. I used to do a lot of fur trapping and sell animal furs. But now at this point in my life and my relationship with hunting now, I like to eat what I hunt for. To the point, I mean, we ate a coyote not long ago down in Mexico. How many times have you heard that?

How many times have you heard anybody say that? You're the only person on the planet. This is what's great about the podcast. We ate a coyote in Mexico. What? I never thought I'd meet somebody who ate a fucking coyote. That's as weird as saying, I kill people sometimes. Oh, my God.

Why did you eat a coyote? That's great. Yeah, pull this people up and tell us sometimes. Oh, my God. Why did you eat a coyote? That's great. Yeah, pull this people up and tell us a little story, Uncle Steve. People so often, I get asked, like as the guy that's eating stuff, I get asked all the time, like, what is it like to eat this? What is it like to eat that? And I have fielded the question about what's it like to eat a coyote so many times that I started to feel like it was professional

like malfeasance for me to not have a good answer you know to be like i have national malfeasance we not have a good answer what a fucking coyote tastes like yeah so it's like as professional development i wanted to know and we got a coyote and uh so you have to eat the whole coyote now in your mind we ate like, there's a handful of us there, and we put the vast majority of that thing down. We put the vast majority of that thing down. We burned the hair off it. We burned all the hair off it and then roasted it.

Wow. How was it? Skin on. What did it taste like? Well, I got to steal, like, the best description, I had to steal this from my buddy, Remy Warren, I was hunting with. And Remy Warren tasted it. And this is an esoteric comparison.

Remy Warren tasted it. He's a hunting guide. And he said, it tastes like overcooked diver duck. Well, that's interesting. That's the close-eyed condor. For folks who don't know, you explained this to us on the trip, too. There's diver ducks and floaters. Is that what they call the other ones?

Yeah, like a non-biological taxonomy with ducks. It would be like puddle ducks and diver ducks. People call them dabbler ducks. So ducks that don't go underwater to hunt and the ducks that eat fish are the ones you don't want to eat divers eat a lot divers eat a lot more animal matter and diver ducks and puddle ducks eat a lot more vegetation but to you that expression an overcooked diver duck totally made sense there's folks on the subway right now going i don't know what the fuck this guy's talking about. A fucking overcooked diver duck.

What does that even mean? I'm going to do that the next time I eat something I don't like. I'm going to be like, man, this tastes a lot like diver duck. Thanks. Yeah, you had a couple shots on the show at Pheasants too, right? We couldn't quite get one. I just realized that some ducks are carnivorous. I never thought of that being carnivorous.

And even some puddle ducks, some puddle ducks or dabbler ducks, eat a lot of plant matter. So of the puddle ducks, one of the not great tasting ones is the northern shoveler. And northern shovelers eat a lot of animal matter. But you can take the best duck on the planet, in my mind, and be like, I love mallard ducks. But if you get mallard ducks in southeast Alaska, like near my cabin, you can barely eat those mallard ducks. Because even though they're mallards, and in most areas they taste great, in southeast Alaska, those mallards in the late summer are just in there hammering invertebrates. So they're hunting the tide line, eating exposed invertebrates up and down there. And you get those ducks, and they taste like coyote.

They're eating invertebrates, meaning clams? It's so important. Yeah, like little insects and clams. You know, people who don't understand modern methods of farming and the way that animals are fed and the foods that they're fed don't understand the whole of farming and the way that animals are fed and the foods that they're fed don't understand the whole corn versus grass fed debate it's become such an

we've talked about it so many times on the podcast that people like hashtag things grass fed when it has nothing to do with it they're just being silly but cows are supposed to eat fucking grass and when you give a cow some corn the whole thing is it's like giving a person corn. Right.

Like, we get fat as fuck, you know? Well, cows also- Corn syrup and shit? Yeah, that's why they have four stomachs or whatever it is, and to break down that grass. Not only that, I bet you the corn doesn't grow as good magic mushrooms. I bet you the corn poop, I bet it's a fucking mess. It's not grass pumped through the stomach of a double-annulate cow. It's corn.

We're using big words. You used the word a butt. Poor fucker, eating corn, growing abscesses in his body. Have you ever seen that food egg? That's why they have to – liver's abscessed. That's why they have to give him antibiotics. Meanwhile, god damn, it's delicious. That's a problem.

It's so good. A good ribeye, a fatty corn-fed ribeye. It's not perfect like when i'm feeling healthy and i'm i like grass fed i like a grass fed like sirloin lean you know but the best meat i've ever had in my life was a grass fed it was a corn fed ribeye from whole foods and i cooked that and i'm you, me and my buddy ate it. And it was just the best thing I've ever had. You were probably high. I wasn't.

I was sober. I think the best meat I've ever eaten in my life was two things. One, the liver and the heart of that deer that we ate. When we were sitting there by a campfire, chopping up, and we had to cut around the bullet hole. We were also hungry, though, and we'd spent three days eating those bad mountain dehydrated not that bad doesn't i'm telling you i i thought that those mountain bags were going to taste way worse than they taste i thought they were delicious

it's situational yeah but it's not as good as the meat no we work with a guy we work with a guy and um he's like i don't care about food i just want to be full and then go do what I want to do. And so he's always talking about, he's like, yeah, I'll be home, and I'll be home when I'll eat freeze-dried food. Because it's just more efficient for me. I just want to be done and then go do what I want to do. Well, I can understand being obsessed with something else, but you can enjoy food as well, you dumb fuck.

Jesus Christ. I like food. Food's awesome. My buddy's a stuntman that hit the back of his head in an accident and he lost his sense of smell and taste. He doesn't care that much about food. That dude probably eats ass like a champion.

I know. He might be the greatest ass eater in the universe. Who's going to compete with that guy? What's that? Some poo? Big deal. I have no future. Jimmy Burke, Jimmy Burke one time said to me, he goes, I said, he said something like, I hate her ass. And I kind of made a face.

He goes, what's the matter? What's the matter? You don't stick your tongue in a girl's ass? You're going to get shit on your tongue? So fucking what? I can't talk to you. And he just walked away. I never said anything.

All I did was make a little face. He goes, what's the matter? It's natural to make that face unless you've had four Jack and Cokes and you've been in that situation where you're really trying to impress a gal. Exactly. We've all gotten in that sexual frenzy. Spurs on, son.

Do you have that video of the Ted Nugent pig man adventures? Well, there's just like a 30 second clip. Yeah, that's fine. Check this. I want Steve Rinell's take on this if you've never seen this before. Ted Nugent and pig man are in a fucking helicopter. And this is fucking crazy.

It's now legal to hunt in Texas from helicopters. It is one of the most entertaining episodes of any television show I've ever seen in my life. It's watching Ted Nugent and Pigman take out wild hogs from a fucking helicopter. I'm like, this is some shit that after the fall of America, a thousand years from now, when they're trying to decode our history, they're going to watch that. Holy fuck. They were flying in in helicopters joking around about it he killed he killed 455 pigs that day no yeah yeah 155 yeah that's a lot of pigs those are some fast ted nuji killed 455 pigs with a machine gun from a helicopter for bill maher for bill For Bill Maher. Oh, Bill Maher is very, very anti-hunting. Well, he's in PETA.

Bill Maher is. Yes, Bill Maher supports PETA, which, by the way, kills more cats and dogs than anybody. 96% of the animals that come into their shelter. Yeah, they put them down, which is, you know, I just don't even know what to say about that. It's like they get so crazy. It's like when is it okay to kill and when is it not okay to kill? You're killing puppies, and you're mad at people that are killing deer and they're eating them. Like I am losing the script here because that

doesn't even make any fucking sense. That's one of the craziest, most ridiculously hypocritical things I've ever heard of. They kill animals. When people drop, when people go to PETA and say, you know, I've got a stray dog here. I found my puppy. My dog just had puppies. I don't know what to do with them. I'll give them to the animal lovers at PETA. These dogs die like that. Most of them they put down because they have to because they don't have the resources to take care of those dogs.

But that doesn't matter. When you're looking at it, I don't care if you don't have the resources. You're killing puppies and cats, okay? And by the way, you're trying to keep it secret too. You don't go advertising and telling people, hey, listen, if you don't come in down and take these things as pets, we're going to kill them. No, you're doing it on the sneak tip and people have to find out about it through the internet. and feeding their family with what they know to be a really healthy animal instead of this mystery fucking chain of command that happens when you buy a cheeseburger from Burger King or wherever, name your fast food joint.

Who knows what the fuck happened to that cow before it was converted into cheeseburgers? You know, you don't know a goddamn thing. And the fact that they would go after one while killing puppies and kittens, that's insanity. That is insanity. You know, a thing that rings false to me, and I'm walking on it. I've got to tread delicately here on the issue of the helicopter thing. Can't deny the awesomeness of it one thing that rings false to me though is when guys like when guys do

it's so hard to put because like no matter what it's like dan if you do dan if you don't i'm gonna try to go for it when someone does like if someone goes out and shoots a bunch of something because it's they're they're overpopulated for a rancher it's like in some way you have to be self-honest too and acknowledge that you're not just doing an altruistic act you know like i enjoy to hunt you know so when i hunt on my buddy's ranch in california i'm glad that he figures he has too many pigs because it allows me to go pig hunting. And I like to go pig hunting. I like to eat pigs.

But I would never, like, I don't then say to my wife, I'm like, ah, I really don't want to do it. But my buddy's in trouble. He's got a lot of pigs. And I'm going to go out, and as much as it's going to be a drag, I'm going to go out and help him. Because we need to fight our way through this pig problem and we all need to give our share. Because if my buddy would call me and say, you know, I got a real problem with my fences are down. Can you come out and spend a weekend fixing all my fences?

That really is the problem I have right now. I'd be like, no, but what are those pigs up to? You having a problem with them? I'd be like, no, but what are those pigs up to? You having a problem with them? Well, it's natural to, first of all, the hunting them is natural. And the dealing with the overpopulation is a real issue for people that do have farms and do have ranches. Like, you got to deal with that. And to get bullshit, to take crap from people that are killing puppies and kittens, like, man, we need to come to an understanding here.

Here's the real issue. It's not PETAita it's not the problem of being ethical towards animals it's crazy assholes that do illogical shit and that's the problem with a lot of animal activists that's the problem a lot of people that claim to love animals more than they love people you're out of your mind if you love a dog more than you love people you're out of your mind if you love a dog more than you love people you're out of your mind you're out of your mind you that's a one-way relationship jesus christ that thing doesn't talk to you about stuff it doesn't challenge you on issues it doesn't tell you it loves you it doesn't help you grow it's a goddamn dog and i love my dogs but you're crazy if you like animals more than people and the people that are involved, just for whatever reason, there's a certain percentage. It's not all of them.

But a certain percentage of people that are involved in animal rights movements have a distorted perception of the relationship between humans and animals. And their relationship is not one of admiration and respect. It becomes what you were talking about, the anthropomorphic sort of a thing. It's like it's Bambi. Or it's like, you know, I saw someone was talking about when the mountain lion got shot in Santa Monica. You know, they should fucking shoot people. I'd be happier if a person was shot in that mountain lion.

I'm like, that was a mountain lion in fucking Santa Monica, man. Santa Monica is really urban. Okay? There's no parks. There's no parks. There's no parks. There's no giant places where there's all trees. There's no Central Park in Santa Monica. It's houses.

A few years ago, there was a black bear in Bergen County, New Jersey. Do you remember that? No, I don't. North Jersey. Same thing. That's where Joey Diaz is from, by the way. It's right near Hoboken. You've got a black bear wandering around Hoboken.

Hoboken, you fuck. Where are you right near Hoboken. You know, you got a black bear wandering around Hoboken. Hoboken, you fuck. Where are you from? Hoboken. Jesus Christ. Who's this guy? Hoboken is the French guy. I'm from Oklahoma. Jesus Christ.

Sorry about that. This guy might be from North Korea. What is your background, sir? He's infiltrated our defenses. So here's my excuse for how I mispronounce. What is it? Hoboken. Hoboken.

Hoboken. Hoboken. Hoboken. He says New York, too. All right. So I've got a little bit of a beef with Hoboken because when I was a kid, I lived in Ridgewood, New Jersey for a year. Ridgewood had a law in the books that said you could actually not play video games until you were 16 years old. There was a ban on video games in

Ridgewood, New Jersey. So as an eight-year-old in North Jersey, I had to go to Hoboken to a diner to play a German version of Pac-Man. So when I think of Hoboken, I don't really think of how to pronounce it. I just think of my fond memories of playing a German version of Pac-Man with the name of the ghost for, like, you know, 18 characters long. So that's the thing. I think diners. I think black bears. I think Pac-Man.

And now I think Hoboken and Joe Rogan will kick my ass if I ever miss an answer. So the issue was that there was a bear in that area? There have been bear sightings in every county in New Jersey. Wow. Every county in New Jersey. And they just made bear hunting legal in the last half a decade or so, right? Yeah, it was illegal for a long time. They brought it back.

It was illegal for a long time. They brought it back. And then when a couple of years ago when Corzine was governor, they put a stop to it again over the objections of the Wildlife Commission there in the state. And how do you get wildlife commissions? That's what drives me crazy. How do you get wildlife commissions that are run by people who are animal rights activists? And why does that happen? And how is that possible that that happens you got it in california right now because you know the the governor uh appoints so many people and they're going to have so many hunters and now they're going to bring a you know they're going to say well okay so the hunters get a seat at the table but we also have to have the animal rights activists have a seat at the table too but the idea that they're trying to i mean an animal rights activist is automatically going to be anti-hunting. Right. Absolutely.

It just doesn't make any sense that someone could be in charge of wildlife management and be anti-hunting. What that is is this convenient ignorance that a lot of people that don't understand wildlife have. And I did until I started getting into it.

Before I started paying attention, whatever it was, a decade or so. I think, though, that a lot of these wildlife management councils, et cetera, have done a pretty good job of doing their job. And I don't know if they're – Not in liberal states, though. The issue is in states like in California where they're making illogical decisions, like the lack of dogs in black bear and in uh in mountain lion hunts they're hard enough to fucking kill and to control the population and especially when you're dealing with predators like you have a responsibility as a human being to keep the population in control i'm not saying you should run them to the point of extinction but you have i think every human in a community has

if if possible to control predators, you should. There's a responsibility to keep a certain amount of control on the situation. And when you start doing shit like saying, well, you can't hunt with dogs or you can't do this or you can't do that, you – what you should be – what should be is how many numbers are they killing? OK? And there's not a lot of mountain lions getting killed. It's not easy to do, you know? They're not endangered, right? No, they're not endangered anymore.

Right now, you're seeing an expansion in range. And it's different than what people think because some of the states that have the most heavy hunting for mountain lions are actually turning out to be areas that are population sources so there's a movement right now i was reading this this paper recently where they were doing some work on lions and they're they were thinking that with the the abundance of lions in california with with the loss of hound hunting that they would be seeing Californian lions going in to fill ecosystems vacated by harvested lions in Nevada. What they're finding instead is in spite of all, like the basin and range country in Nevada, in spite of the hunting, is still able to produce lions, and they're seeing lions going in a different direction.

They're seeing lions spreading spreading out displaced young males spreading out from nevada into california now it could be two things it could be somehow that their buddy called them in cal from california and said dude come here they will not mess with you these people are soft they don't even use dogs i don't know what it is but so much stuff like there's always something that violates all your expectations. And to the answer, like, do state fishing game agencies do their job? I have, you know, no one has complete faith in everything. But in general, I have a lot of faith in state fishing game agencies.

And you guys have all had the luxury, like I i have to travel around the world a fair bit and i used to have this naive idea that you'd go to a developing nation and it would be that you'd experience this great abundance of wildlife it's just in your mind it's like oh it's like back in time somehow you know i remember like the first time i went to philippines the philippines do a magazine story i brought my snorkel, my mask, and I thought it would just be this explosion of sea life. But in fact, it's not. Because they use cyanide

to fish on the reefs. And dynamite. You go to a fish market there, and the fish are an inch long tops. Or it's either there's a bunch of inch long fish, or they've just drug in a big whale shark, and they're hacking it apart with machetes. Whoa.

So it's like the reality is, is that the U.S., we have very progressive game management and we have like a hunter-based management system. In the U.S., when you factor in how many people live here, where we're at in a technological sense, where we're at in an economic sense, it almost doesn't make sense that we have the wildlife we have. We do a phenomenal job, and there's a richness of wildlife in the United States of America that's unparalleled by any country in a similar situation. And Steve, let me just piggyback. There's nothing to compare it to. Let me piggyback, and I don't want to interrupt you, but not only that. But you did.

You fucked. Well, the U.S. also has been really responsible for many, many years. Also, if you want to buy timber from, say, Indonesia, our rules and guidelines for how that timber is harvested and where is incredibly stringent. It's countries like China and Japan that are not responsible. But keep going. So you're right. No, you're absolutely right there. And we've had to use certain things to try to control other countries' abuse on the high seas.

Like, we'll even go after people and be like, not only are we not buying your fisheries, but now we have the capability to boycott your electronics. Exactly. If you're not going to get with the program of high seas fisheries management. So in general in the U.S., I attribute, and again, it starts to sound like a documentary, but I'm saying that, like, the wildlife, the North American wildlife conservation model, which is a model based on creating abundance so that you can have a limited, sustainable harvest of resources, has proven to be the best system, and it's not even debatable. And people don't understand that when they're in urban areas and they become animal rights activists and they talk about how much they love animals. They don't understand things like keeping deer population

down so you don't die in car accidents because they don't have natural predators. Unless you're going to go fucking like what they're doing with wolves and reintroduce wolves into your ecosystem, and then what happens? What are you going to control the wolves? They're not funding research. Like a guy that

hunts and he buys firearms and ammunition, which has essentially a self-imposed excise tax. It was voted in by sportsmen. They have a self-imposed excise tax where money goes to the federal government. It's a percentage of that goes to the federal government, that purchase. It's earmarked for wildlife conservation. So you're talking about enforcement of laws, which I think PETA would agree greatly that somebody needs to enforce these laws that's how that's how we're funding that enforcement hunting license sales and pitman robertson act funds also buying a hunting license goes to create state fishing game agencies many of these agencies are self-sustaining they don't

get any taxpayer funding their funding comes through fees and licenses and they do wildlife research peter's not funding wildlife research you know it's like they're just making noise but like the conversation so often comes down to peter but peter's become a joke i mean when peter makes the news it's always like what are those guys up to now it's always the tone out i don't think they're taking seriously i don't think i don't think the animal i don't think they're taking seriously. I don't think the animal rights, I don't think that people who self-identify as animal rights advocates are actually dangerous. They're not significant. I'm going to disagree with you if we can snuggle and share a microphone here. There we go.

Because I think that PETA is the clown shoes of the animal rights movement. But they're there in a way to be a distraction for like the HSUSs of the world. What does that mean? Humane Society of the United States. OK. And everybody thinks that the Humane Society is your local dog and cat shelter, right? But nationally, HSUS, the Humane Society of the United States, doesn't really fund your local animal shelter. They try to raise money off of you thinking that they fund your local animal shelter.

But instead, they're the non-clown-choose animal rights group. They're the suit and tie-wearing, lobbying, go-to politicians. They know how to raise money. They know how to be effective talking to politicians and banning certain types of hunting. And PETA's there, I think, really to be that sort of distraction. You know, oh, look, it's the chicks who are getting naked and painting themselves like tigers. It's the people who are wearing, like, the little lettuce bikinis. But Michael Markarian or Wayne Pacelli at HSUS, their goal's the same.

I mean, Wayne Pacelli has said, we want to see a day when there is no hunting in this country. Why do you need to hunt anymore? You can go to the grocery store and you can get your corn fed. That's what's really insane is that someone would want to take away your ability to acquire meat your way. That somehow or another it would be good to only be able to

get your meat from farmers. I don't even think that makes sense. I think these folks want to get to a day where we're growing meat in laboratories. We've got our test tube vast. I think you're right. But I think they don't understand that there would be this insane imbalance in the ecosystem that would probably lead to the rise of predators. Absolutely. And not to mention the loss of humanity.

I mean there is something innately human about taking your food that I think we would lose if we grew our food well i think laboratory your definition of human is what they want to change i think what what they want to change is they want us to evolve past this need to be reliant upon our primal instincts and my my take think on my thinking on that is always i understand the idealistic or utopian sort of pull in that direction but there's also a reality about the time that we live in although we can see like a As always, I understand the idealistic or utopian sort of pull in that direction. But there's also a reality about the time that we live in. Although we can see like a bright future where we become beings of light who can read each other's minds and the internet is used to travel on, maybe that's the future. Maybe that's a million years from now, whatever the fuck it is.

But reality is right now animals don't live forever and they're delicious when you eat them. And you guys are getting crazy. You're not going to live forever. Neither is that deer. Neither is that cow. Like this is nuts. Like the idea that you shouldn't torture them, 100 percent, I'm with you. The idea that you shouldn't psychologically damage them by leaving them in cages their whole life and then finally shooting them and eating them.

Yeah, there's a lot of bad karma to that. shooting them and eating them. And yeah, there's a lot of bad karma to that. Wouldn't – that would make me think that the people that would be – the real animal activists would be the ones that want to encourage the natural food chain. Like you're not going to stop people from eating meat. You're just not. It's too – we like it too much. There's too much scientific evidence that there's benefits through cholesterol, for

brain function. Inflammation. There's a lot of benefits of eating meat. And vegans don't want to believe that because a lot of vegans, what their thing is is that they used to have an unbelievably shitty diet. They used to eat fucking bullshit and cheeseburgers and shitty food and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But now that they're eating vegan, they feel so much better.

Oh, my God. And now they're like proselytizing for the vegan religion. And they're going around telling feel so much better oh my god and now they're like these proselytizing for the vegan religion and they're going around telling everybody how amazing it is how amazing they feel to be vegan but i'm like i understand yeah you're right there's a lot of great nutrients and vegetables but and meat and meat there's a lot of good in that too and i'm a person who never did like eat their body away. I never did eat shit food all the time. I understand the direct correlation between nutritional supplementation, eating healthy vegetables, eating good lean meats, and feeling better and your body actually performing, especially in something like really intense.

When you get into like jiu-jitsu, any kind of martial art, the stakes of you being good or bad are you getting your ass kicked. And that's a terrible feeling that every man wants to avoid. And you understand what's working and what's not working. Pragmatism comes into play when you're involved in anything, any competitive athletic, especially combat sports. Like you better eat the right shit. You better take your fucking vitamin because if you don't, it's a difference between you just barely getting out of a submission and getting to a dominant position and winning or you tapping out. I mean literally sometimes it's that close. It's a few beats of a heart. It's whether or not you have just that extra push of oxygen in your body.

People that do that, they like meat. Most of them. People that do that, they like meat. Most of them. Not only that, but if you look at nature, that's such a classic and stark example of how life eats life. That's always been an issue. Life eats life, by the way, whether or not you're eating animals. You're still killing living things. This is the thing I've always wondered about.

Maybe I'm relying on the expertise of your viewers. about and i was actually maybe like i'm relying on the expertise of your viewers and this isn't something that they're this isn't a question that they'd be able to answer through a format like twitter would take like a lengthy email if someone knows and whenever i ask you do don't give out your email right now no no they're gonna it's gonna go to you and then you're gonna send it to me if it's good but whenever i ask is people think i'm being like that i'm trying to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd but it really is something i wonder about and i'm sure there's a great answer for it in the in the mindset of a of a diehard animal rights person who feels that human life is equal to animal life what do they propose we should do like once we conquer the problem of humans consuming animals human induced animal

suffering what do they propose is gonna like what will they do with control no what will they do with the bottlenose dolphin like how will it be that he is forced to stop consuming fish and i'm not trying to be like a smart ass right like what will like what will you do to get coyotes if life is life is life? When will they be offended by the actions of a coyote who's killing things to survive? I know it's like he has to, but really if you caught them all and separated them, you'd be able to feed them a soy based diet. I think that's a good question. But I'm not trying to be a smartass. What is the answer?

I think they make a very distinct difference, a big difference between humans and animals, right? As far as they're concerned, there is a big difference because human beings have a choice. Our choice could be herbivores and exclusively herbivores. And according to them, even healthier than meat eaters, which I disagree with. I think everybody disagrees with that. And I read the China study, everybody. But it's like – You didn't read the whole thing, by the way. I sure did. I sure did, by the way. Get the fuck out of here's like – You didn't read the whole thing, by the way.

I sure did. I sure did, by the way. Get the fuck out of here. You know you didn't read that whole thing. And in fact – I'm going to quiz you on chapter eight. The end is the best part, in fact. Is that where Pinocchio gets his Geppetto out of the whale?

All you have to do is read the end actually because he talks about how industry hijacks the sort of the hijacks government agencies like the school lunch program and what the military feeds the soldiers and to get buying their food. Oh, yeah. Scientists, they stack the deck and get scientists to say that 25 percent of your fucking diet can be simple sugars because there's a lot of money in high-fructose corn syrup for the corn refiners, et cetera. It's a very, very – that's what you should be – Isn't it amazing though? People don't understand like how that happened, how all of a sudden like the government gives farmers money to –

It's been happening for a long time. They give them subsidies on corn like to encourage the growth of corn. It's not just – it's not family farms, remember everybody. It's huge industrial farms that get the bulk of our— And somehow or another, they wash each other's hands and figure out how to slap each other in the back. Oh, totally. They stack the deck. I mean, T. Colin Campbell, he was a scientist on one of these boards.

He does a very good job as a scientist who is involved in this stuff, and he names names because he's friends with these guys who are on Nestle and Coca-Cola's boards who say, guess what? Soda, high fructose corn syrup has nothing to do with obesity. You can eat as much as you want. In fact, 25% of your – the food and nutrition board that sets the standard for the school lunch program of mothers with dependent children, et cetera. You can eat 25%. 25% of your diet can be simple sugars. Go ahead.

Listen to what Monsanto has done. Monsanto has bought up a company that was the leading company on bee research because those are the people that said that Monsanto's pesticides and all the shit that's in their food is causing bee populations to decline. So Monsanto buys them. Then Monsanto develops a fucking robot bee. I joked around about it in my act. I said that bees are such cunty animals. I hope that we make solar-powered robot bees that fuel themselves. They have dicks that are actually vacuum cleaners, and they just fuck real bees to death and suck their life out and burn it inside their combustion engine.

And I was just joking around. I mean, I didn't think anybody would actually make a robot bee, but I was like, how tough is it to pollinate a fucking plant? They don't even know they're doing it and they're doing it. I mean, how tough is that? All I know is Monsanto's stealing your material, those bastards. Well, they just thought about it. They're like, I bet they thought about it before me.

I mean, but it takes a long time to develop a fucking drone bee. A robot bee, yeah. But they have a robot bee. Monsanto has fucking robot bees now. Yeah. Pull up a picture of it. Pull up a picture of it. Monsanto robot bee.

It was in the news today. Along with that fucking explosion in Boston. How scary is that shit? Is there any new evidence on that or what's going on? I don't know. We should probably know, huh? Let's see. A kid died.

An eight-year-old kid really did they know was it was it like a sophisticated form it's i think it's uh it looks like it's a fire and it looks like there was ball bearings and it's it looks like it's probably just like a you know one of those ones you find out online like a like a domestic produced yeah this is unbelievably horrific this is, 141 people have been injured. 141? And at least 37 of, or at least 17 rather, are critical injuries. Doctors are pulling ball bearings out of people.

Yeah, damn. Yeah, oh my God. No, Monsanto. Monsanto Robot B. You know, that scares me. They're going to come up with wasps that can sting the shit out of you. See that thing? That's the one with the quarter.

The one right next to it with the quarter. Look at that. That's my... What the fuck happened? I don't know. The one up in the upper right. That one right there. Look at that.

Look at that fucking thing. That is Monsanto's robot bee. And that thing is going to have the same function that an actual bee does. Like, they'll be able to get them to fly back and forth and pollinate plants. What? Oh, yeah, we killed off the bees. Don't worry. We've got Terminator bees that we developed specifically.

It's like, don't sweat it, dude. And by the way, Monsanto owns the copyright on these, and nobody else can make their own robot bees. So you're going to have to buy robot bees from Monsanto. And like a real bee they only last like a week. In the 1800s there was this

there was a my mind's escaping me. It was the guy who one who studies plants. Botanist. There's a botanist who was Herbologist? A botanist was making, okay, yeah. There was a botanist who was – Herbologist? Yeah, a botanist. A florist.

Was making like an exploration of the American West. And he was talking about – and he wrote for a while about the advance of the honeybee. You know, the honeybee is not native to this continent. Really? Yeah, he was talking about the advance of honeybees across the continent. So did it come on ships? Well, people brought it. Oh, they brought it on purpose?

Yeah. Again, I'm escaping. Not an aviary, but an apiary. A hive? An apiary. An apiary. Yeah. People brought them for honey production.

And they went feral very successfully. Huh. And he was in this botanist describes. And he made his trip like some. You know what I remember he made his trip in 1811 because his getting home was interrupted by the war of 1812. And he was on the Missouri when the, um,

when that great earthquake, the, the, the earthquake struck that actually switched the direction of the Mississippi's flow. Whoa. Yeah. He was there and then he got delayed by the war 1812.

But anyways, that guy's shit luck. No, this guy this guy had bradbury bradbury was his name like the novelist his name was bradbury he had amazingly bad luck he thought he's just going on a little trip and it took him like seven years to get home and all the material all the material that bradbury all the material he gathered like all the plant specimens he took he got done and he wanted to take a different route home, so he sent his assistant home with his stuff, right? But his assistant gets home years earlier

and by the time this dude makes it back home, the assistant has published all the material under his own name. No! But anyways, in this book, he has this really interesting passage. Son of a bitch. This really interesting passage about how fast bees are advancing and how they always keep pace. They're always out ahead of the frontier.

So at the time when he was writing, he was talking about the bees somewhere in North Dakota or whatever. He was saying reliably, we're in St. Louis in a strong way, and bees are 40 miles out, and the bees will continue to march across. strong way and bees are 40 miles out and the bees will continue to march across that's why like colony collapse disorder is interesting as it is i don't think of it as a wildlife issue i think of it as an agricultural issue right because they're not natural it's a non-native species it's an agricultural problem and it's a sad agricultural problem but i don't when i think of like wildlife politics and the well-being of american wildlife which i have a vested interest in like i don't look at colony collapse disorder as it's a serious economic problem so there's these animals or these bees rather if they didn't exist if they hadn't been introduced here would

agriculture be drastically different yeah i would say so because they're able to use them in such a targeted like you know a guy that raises bees is doing two things he's producing honey and he's providing pollination services so they do these things in tandem you know when i was a when i was in college i worked for a beekeeper and he would all the while he's collecting honeycomb but at the same time he's moving stuff around so the beginning of the of the year, he's down. He'd go down to Georgia. He'd truck his bees down to Georgia, and he'd do pollination services down there. And I think that it's just a way that you can do, like, very targeted, very fast, synchronized pollination of plant species that if you were relying on native species of bees and moths and butterflies that I gather would take much longer. What are the native ones as opposed to the honeybees are not native?

Honeybees are not native. So the North American Indians, they never got any honey before we came along? Well, it's like I think that the honeybee produces like a high, like good quantities of a high quality honey. There are similar products produced. There are similar things produced by other things, but it's kind of like the reason that goat's milk isn't really a big strong product,

but cows can crank it out. And so in that way, they were brought for that purpose. But there are many pollinating insects that were native to the U.S., but the specific honeybee as we know it was the introduced species. Wasps, were they here? I don't know, but I would – I'm sure they were.

I'd like to be the son of a bitch who introduced wasps to the United States. Like who brought – who decided, you know what, bees, they make honey. I think let's see – what happens if we bring wasps over here? What would that have? That's like that guy from Animal Planet. Screw that guy. This guy, he had a short-lived show on Animal Planet, and he was an entomologist, and he was a really weird dude. And he goes, look at this.

And he had this huge spider, and he goes, watch this. And he put it in his mouth, and then he pulled it out. It was this huge tarantula. And he goes, now it won't bite me because I'm not a moth. If I was a moth, it would bite me. But I'm a human, so it doesn't know the difference. I'm like, all right, some Filipino thing, right? So I said, his claim to fame is he'd been stung by every

insect. And I said, there are some wasps out there that can hurt you. And he said, oh yes, oh yes. And I said, like what? He goes, well, the tarantula hawk or the 24-hour ant that you find in Panama, if they

sting you, you'll fall to the ground and scream for hours and hours. He goes, they call it the 24-hour ant because when you do get sting you, you'll fall to the ground and scream for hours and hours. He goes, they call it the 24-hour because when you do get stung, you can't sleep, you can't drink, you can't eat for 24 hours. The pain is so intense. I said, what was the pain like? He goes, I liken it to getting your hand slammed in a car door and being shot with a.45 at the same time. He was this really weird guy. I was like, well, I'll be staying away from the tarantula hawk, which is indigenous to

this area, Nevada, Utah. Whenever you talk about any of the really evil fucking bugs in this world. You want to scare me? That really drives me nuts about animal rights activists because those are animals too. This is a whole broad ecosystem and a lot of these things that are out there we can't live with them if we

live with them they kill us like do you understand that there's ants in africa that kill elephants they climb up an elephant's leg and they go right through the fucking ear and they start eating the elephant's ear first fuck yeah it's true that's gotta find them and then they communicate with this with the other ants in their evil cunt colony and they find this poor fucking elephant and they climb up and they eat him ears first.

You must have, your cunt thing, you know those guys, my boys in San Antonio who made this big promotional video for me that said no cunts? You're coming to Brian Gallant, that squad. You're coming to his show. No cunts, please. Is that from you? I mean, that said, no cunts. You're coming to Brian Gallant, that squad. You're cutting his show. No cunts, please. Is that from you?

Is that your? Yeah, no. I mean, I think that's the number one problem with human beings. The number one problem. We eliminated cunts. All cunts. Male cunts, by the way. There's a tarantula hawk.

Show them that. Show them that. How about that? You want to get stung by that motherfucker? But they actually catch tarantulas, though. Yeah, they do. And drag them home, man. What a monster.

A flying monster. I'm peeing out of my dick. Go ahead. My point is that if we eliminated that from the world, and everyone left had to figure things out, I think magically 99% of the world's problems would immediately be eradicated. I really do believe that. I think most of the world's problems, whether it's crazy out of control bankers that are fucking stealing resources

and robbing this country blind, or whether it's evil corrupt politicians, or whether it's, you know, whatever it is, you get cut all the country human beings out of that equation and new resolutions automatically begin to show themselves. And people automatically begin to try to find ways to work together and stop environmental devastations and figure out how to be profitable while still being ethical. It's a cunt issue.

We have like this huge civilization issue that's – it's really a cunt issue. But if you ask them all to line up you won't have people who self-identify no of course not so you need a really good court system or mushrooms or just you do it mushrooms would help you know what people need to do is that your your ego can convince you from some pretty horrible shit because we're in this we're we're sort of a species that's in a stage. We're in a stage of not quite being animals, being self-aware, having the ability to communicate, but not really being completely, fully, wholly enlightened. And there's a lot of things that slow us down along that way to being completely, wholly enlightened

and enjoying this experience as brothers and sisters. And the problem is people that don't get life right, whether it's genetic, whether it's behavioral because of their environment and the conditioning that they experienced growing up, whatever it is. Those people that don't quite get life right and are just fucking insulting and stupid and annoying and constantly creating their own issues, constantly causing problems so that they have

some sort of motivation to get through their daily day. That's a big percentage of human beings. It's a complex organism that doesn't come with a direction manual. So a lot of people fuck it up. And you develop from the ground up. And you do a shit job. And it's addicted to drugs. And it's stopping that with these drugs.

And you're filling these holes. And you're cutting off. You've got to have something that allows you to see if it's possible. Some people it's not possible. Some people are so psychologically damaged by the time they become an adult, there's almost nothing you can do for them. But if someone did have enough sense to just stand back and look at their life as if they were trying to give themselves advice,

like how would you give yourself advice? Have you met you and you saw your issues? What would you say? to give themselves advice. Like, how would you give yourself advice? Have you met you and you saw your issues? What would you say? I give myself advice. It's a great move. Do you? All the time? You know, I think some of it comes from... Great move.

I think some of it comes also from... There's something in a human being, like somebody once said, this scientist was saying, if you got rid of all the ants on the planet, the earth would last five years. In other words, all the other animals would die in five years for a whole bunch of reasons because it's part of the ecosystem. If you got rid of all humans, animals and everything else would be just fine. It would flourish.

Now, that is an interesting thing to say. I thought about that because I thought the, the thought a lot of people, when you couch it in those terms, and I think as a human being, you kind of grow up knowing in some ways that we are somehow a burden to the ecosystem. We are a burden to this world, the natural world, and it's something we have to steward properly. There's a built-in sense as a human being that in some ways you are a bit of an intruder, an interruption and a burden to that

which is life-sustaining. I always think even now... That's so personal, man. I don't agree with that at all. I'm not saying that I agree. I'm just saying I think that is part of the human psyche and always has been. Really? I think so. I think especially now. I don't think so. I think that's where of the human psyche and always has been. Really? I think so. I think especially now. I don't think so.

I think that's where conservation movements and PETA and things come from. I'm going to piss while I disagree with you. Oh, shit. You're going to pull yourself out of the hole. Did you hear about this? The Newton families from the victims of the school shooting were in the last mile of the – it was dedicated to – the last mile was dedicated to them. So that's where they were all sitting. No.

And that's where all the bombs went off. No. Yeah, so that's a conspiracy going on. Were any of those individuals injured? Oh, no. Well, I'm not sure because they're not saying who's been injured. Oh, they haven't because they haven't notified. As if they haven't suffered enough, man.

I got kids that age. Yeah. And that's something that – Goddamn. I guess that would have been public information, huh? Yeah. Where those people were. Yeah, because I guess they had actually, there's like, I'm trying to find a video, right, or a photo of it. But there's actually people taking photos in front of it, like the families and stuff like that, before it happened. Jesus. So weird it happened. Jesus.

So weird, man. Yeah. Here we go. Yeah, check this out. It's on HollywoodLife.com and, like, there's photos of them, you know, sitting right there.

Yeah. Oh. The last mile. Shit. Yeah. Oh. The last mile. Shit. That's crazy. I just gotta say that was one of the most satisfying pisses

I've ever had in my life. Congratulations, my friend. Something about taking leaks. What is that? Yeah, it's the school shooters were sitting in the last mile of the Boston Marathon from Newton.

Oh, my God. Yeah. And so, did they get hurt? Probably, but they haven't said who's gotten hurt though so that's what oh my god some things suck what the fuck this whole thing is terrifying cnn don't go to cnn folks don't don't don't even go look at the front page it's horrific blood everywhere it's a cunt problem it's a cunt problem That's a cunt problem I mean there's obviously That's simplifying things

To the extreme There's some cunt out there Don't send me Twitter messages I know what I'm doing I know what you're saying You're absolutely right I agree with you But that's

Obviously you're missing the point You know You know Human beings man But capable of amazing shit You know I've always said that Like But capable of amazing shit, you know? I've always said that. We could figure out how to get people to – everyone get their shit together.

We are the bipolar ape. We are the most bipolar ape. Yeah, but I don't think it's important. I mean I don't think it's necessary for our survival. I don't think we have to be shitty in order to move forward. I agree. I think that's like the old days back when we didn't have technology i think that's the case yeah you know it's like the one one of

the things that i put in puts it into perspective that a couple thousand years ago someone showed up on your shore those fucking people were dangerous and you had to kill them you were probably going to get raped and pillaged and sold into slavery now you welcome them as an important part of the tourism industry you know that's a completely new development in human history so true you have fucking rosetta stone so you can figure out what the hell they were saying it's so true man that's i mean so much of the world and up until literally 300 years ago less less what am i talking about you know 150 years ago was in servitude of some kind and usually a form of slavery. Well, what's really trippy is to see North Korea still rocking it old school today, still rocking a full formal dictatorship.

I can't figure out what's going to happen. I mean like in some way it seems that the State Department and the military is like, oh, my, like, what do you do with these guys? On the other hand, the other half of it seems like serious. I can't tell. Is it not serious or serious? Well, it's bluster. It's bluster. North Korea is always blustered.

However, the problem is this kid is 29, maybe 30. They don't know a lot about him. And they're not sure. You're talking about the ruler of North Korea, the son of. John Il now or whatever I think his name is. They don't know. Shin Jong-un. Yeah, they don't know a lot about him. You're talking about the ruler of North Korea, the son of... John Eel now or whatever I think his name is. Shin Jong-un. Yeah, they don't know enough about him. And it used to be his father, there was a method to his father's madness.

He would create a lot of heat to bring people to the negotiating table, get more aid or whatever. This kid is, they think, probably rattling a sword to get the respect of the ancient generals that actually run that fucking country? We need to bring Dennis Rodman back. You're right and I'm glad you brought that up. And bring that dude to his senses. Dennis, what do you think of North Korea? When you have Dennis Rodman in your council, why doesn't he bring Dennis Rodman

in and let the United States hook it up and just provide him with a thousand Korean chicks and just let him run it. Let him run that thing. We need him in that gene pool anyway. Did you imagine if the North Koreans loved Dennis Rodman so much that they let him become their king, and then somehow or other in some strange world, he goes over there,

and then all of a sudden he starts giving press conferences that Dennis Rodman is now running North Korea. Dennis Rodman. I actually couldn't imagine that that Dennis Rodman is now running North Korea. Dennis Rodman. I actually couldn't imagine that. Dennis Rodman for president of North Korea. Listen, man, it's not outside the realm of possibility. How many steps removed from that is Arnold Schwarzenegger running California? How many steps removed? It's only a few chapters of ridiculous parody.

Yeah, then Minnesota had a toy governor for a while. Listen, I was a Navy SEAL and I know about chemtrails and thermite. You can't say he was a pro wrestler. Yes, he was. And a Navy SEAL medic. Yeah. And a huge man.

And a conspiracy theorist to the extreme. Yeah, he's got that show called Conspiracy Theory, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I was looking for thermite. Does the leader, Kim leader kim il young on please say it correctly please say it correctly yeah i don't know how i would please say our dear leader isn't it horrible it's so it's so american to not be able to kim jong-un kim kim jong-un such a dick but does he have does he have the legal authority or what passes for legal authority to commit forces the same way that the US president could commit forces for 60 or 70 days?

I don't know. They declared war on South Korea, though. Well, he's essentially a dictator. The Korean War never actually ended. I mean, it's just the state of the art. They've always been in a state of war. He's essentially a dictator, right? But is he like the Iranian president who is really like –

Iranian is very different. He's like a godhead. Very different. I mean he's a godhead of state. He's a religious figure. The North Koreans are – have been indoctrinated. For example, every North Korean home from what I understand has a speaker. And when he – when the dear leader would speak, you you had to it would blast in your home and

you had to memorize that speech oh jesus man if i had one of those and i can make everybody do that what would your speech be around i think it's something good though man it's like what would you say if you could say overcooked diver duck people would be like what the fuck is our deer leader talking about overcooked diver that diver guys. There it is. I might just tell people sugar's bad. Mmm, so delicious, though. Yeah, it is. That's the problem.

I know these cupcakes aren't good for you, but goddamn it, here's a clip. You gotta eat enough good food that you can do this, though. That's the balance to life. I agree. The balance to life is kale shakes and cupcakes. Yep. Kale shakes and cupcakes. You gotta be able to work. I agree. The balance to life is kale shakes and cupcakes. Yep. Kale shakes

and cupcakes. You gotta be able to work them all together. That should be a fucking t-shirt. Kale shakes and cupcakes. It's important, man.

Delicious food, passion, a little wine. Yep. I love wine. It's important. Hey, we gotta drink some good wine.

And you pay since you're richer than I am. Okay. I'll do it. I don't give a fuck. I love Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan's the greatest. Joe Rogan's the greatest. We go to dinner one time I am. Okay, I'll do it. I don't give a fuck. I love Joe Rogan. Why are we going hunting against Stephen Rowe? Joe Rogan's the greatest.

We go to dinner one time, and I was like, I've been reading about wine, so I looked at the list, and I was like, I'm going to choose, ah, yes, we'll get the right bank Bordeaux here, and I'm asking questions, and Rogan goes, hey, hey, fuckface, let me show you the Joe Rogan way of ordering wine. He goes, oh, that's expensive as shit. We'll get that one. You're ruining everything i'm trying to impress people i'm like no way brian would like pretend to understand see one of the reasons

why i have very little tolerance with you when it comes to that is that i have uh my other good friend matt lichtenberg who's a huge wine fanatic legit the guy has a fucking crazy wine cellar temperature control in his house ancient wines and shit and all these important ones and that motherfucker knows wine you don't know what you're talking about i call matt up i can call matt up and go hey matt i go uh this is my choices you know a bordeaux from blah blah blah or blah blah blah and he'll tell you well oregon in 2007 is this shit if you can get a pinot from o Oregon for 2007 and it's this particular vineyard, he just knows.

He's a legit wine connoisseur. I went to his birthday party, and they had this really nutty dinner where they gave what they call flights of wine. Yeah, I know about that stuff. Yeah, and they were all, like, drinking it and describing the earthy tones, and this one is oak, and this one. That's my favorite thing to do i'll do that all day all day oh i will what i will do i'll sit there i love pretend i i

love it i'll wear it i'll wear a tweed jacket i'll wear a scarf i would definitely wear a scarf yeah what i'm thinking of is the vertical there's a vertical and a horizontal flight right i don't know a vertical flight would be a horizontal flight would be where you take a year and you go to like all the great Bordeaux's and you get their Bordeaux from that year. Oh, yeah. It's a horizontal flight. A vertical flight is you take a specific vineyard and you collect all the years from that specific vineyard. So you might host a vertical, and it's like Chateau whatever, 1920 to 1945, and you're going to taste a 25-year span out of that production. Wow.

All right, listen. Now I'm thinking. The reason I know this, and I want to do a shameless plug, my buddy Ben Wallace has this great book, The Billionaire's Vinegar, and it's about the most expensive bottle of wine ever sold. But what is good wine? Do we know good wine when we taste it? Yes.

It's fascinating. Well, if you get really old shit, most likely it's not good anymore, right? The problem is, as his book explains, is the problem is no one – this is a bottle – the most expensive bottle of wine ever sold wound up being fraudulent, but it was purported to be owned by Thomas Jefferson. So Steve Forbes owned it for a while and all these different guys owned this bottle of wine ever sold wound up being fraudulent but it was purported to be owned by thomas jefferson okay so for like steve forbes owned it for a while and all these different guys owned this bottle of wine one of the co-brothers owned it for a while and in the end there's no one around who can go i've had a lot of wine from that year right and that's right on the money yeah isn't it crazy though that these different rich guys had the wine and sold it to each other?

Like, they passed it off. You know what Forbes did? Forbes stored it in a – they put it in their corporate headquarters, and they had it in a box, like a glass-lit box as a decoration. But they had it standing upright with a heat lamp in there or a lamp. Oh, no. And it dried that cork out, and the cork fell into the bottle so later when people were trying to analyze what was in it they could never rule out the intrusion of foreign substances which will not allow them to find out what it was the guy they eventually

like is why the the guy who created the hoax would take really good wine and do weird stuff to it like he'd put a little bit of vanilla extract in there or he'd put some dirt from his gutter in there just weird things he could do to kind of throw people and then guys that are like big swinging dicks about wine would taste they'd be like oh yeah that's so great i i've got invited it's a brilliant book. It's such a pretentious fucking thing. I love it. I got invited by a huge guy who owned a paparazzi company. And he invited me to a wine tasting.

And he said, and he goes, I don't want, you can't really. He was trying to be really nice to me. He goes, I'm going to bring wine from my cellar for you. I said, I'll buy some wine. And he goes, I don't want to be a dick to you, but you can't afford the wines we're going to bring. And I go, all right. Jeez. So how much was the most expensive wine you brought?

Oh, you know, like literally I was drinking 1961 Stony Hills. I mean I was drinking like wines that you would – cost you $2,000 to drink. The taster for Zaki's wine, the guy who sets the standard, was there. So anyway, so I go there and I'm drinking crazy 1960, 1963, 1964. What is it like? What is it like? Well, for me, because I love wine so much, there is a difference. Now, here's the thing.

If you spend $300 on a bottle of wine, there's a big difference. You're going to taste an amazing wine if you know what to get versus a $50 bottle of wine. However, the difference in $300 and $1,000, I don't think – there's no difference. Now you're talking about scarcity. Now you're going into years and there's one left and stuff. I want to back up though because I want to clarify. It's too easy to hack on wine connoisseurs. I do want to say this.

The handful of times someone did present to me what's like critically regarded as a good wine i was able to taste that wine and say i get what you're saying like there's something going on here that was not going on in all the other wine yes i've had my whole life it's wasted on me like it's going something but i recognize what you're saying. There's something going on. I don't want to act like it's all, I don't think it's all smoke and beers. It's not all BS at all. It's definitely not all BS. And it's amazing the subtle differences in different glasses of wine.

And I always equate it to this. Like if I drink an amazing bottle of wine, like say a 500 or whatever, like my friend made a fortune that he's a huge wine guy, like your buddy. I always describe it this way. I go, when I drink an amazing glass of wine, I to him i i the way i the reasoning is expensive i go nothing else tastes like that that that taste that experience stands on its own you don't compete you can't go oh it tastes just like this no it stands on its own it's so complex and it's an experience for me i i love it if you had to choose though if you had to choose

between like no wine for the rest of your life or bland food what would you what like what is more important the taste of food or the taste of wine yeah 100 right i can live without wine no problem yeah i gotta go i don't i don't need one i like it yeah. Yeah, when I'm eating very high-quality good food that I won't have again, typically I like to eat it with water. Yeah, me too. Sometimes you have food that's so good. I was just in Louisiana this weekend, and I went to this restaurant called Revolution. I had a gnocchi, a lobster gnocchi.

I don't like the way you say gnocchi. I don't like the way you say Afghanistan. I don't like any of that. At least I didn't say any of that i'm not supporting you on any of these endeavors i was in nolens i had a crawfish etouffee it's like you you're giving a nod toward yeah i like it yeah i'm not gonna start doing i'm not gonna start doing but like you're kind of saying, yeah, man, there's more to the earth. There's more to the globe. Now I'm going to demonstrate this by having a crazy pronunciation. To me, it's like the gold chains of language. He just showed up with a bunch of fucking language gold chains.

I was in Bahrain. We spent time in France. I have to do it. There was a little bit of work done in Afghanistan where they were perpetrating the Taliban. When I was visiting Chile, I say Steve Renella. Steve Renella. You know Steve Renella, my friend Steve Renella. His family's had good rabbit.

But really good food is another thing that's transcendental, man. Yeah, I don't need good wine, but I do need good food. It's experience. We were talking about your friend that doesn't like food. I have a friend who's just like that too. He's like, I just want to eat and then get done and then do my thing. It's like, man, I get it. But maybe he just tastes things different than I do.

A Dane cook. It has to be. Some people like shit and other people hate it. But maybe he just tastes things different than I do. A Dane Cook. It has to be. Some people like shit and other people hate it. Like, I love sea urchin. I think it tastes delicious. I do, too. But I've tried to give people sea urchin. They're like, this is disgusting.

Oh, my God. They spit it into a napkin. Like, oh, I like it. Some people make a monastic decision. Yeah. They're kind of like, with all the human suffering in the world or whatever, it's like, I don't want to be a glutton in that way. I look at it differently. I look at it as, I have the opportunity to eat incredible food.

I'm going to eat this for the people that can't eat it. And I'm going to pay attention to it. In support of all the suffering people, I'm going to enjoy this meal. Yeah, as long as you're not victimizing someone and you're enjoying that food, you should just be enjoying that food. Enjoy that moment. The idea that human beings have to be in perspective of six billion other fucking people is so crazy. Because otherwise you'll never be happy. You'll never be happy because the world is filled with suffering.

I mean there's always tragic instances happening all over the world where people are getting hit in the head by coconuts, okay? You should not be eating and enjoying your steak because some poor farmer got hit in the head with a coconut and fucking died because that shit happens 150 times a year. Right, and not only that but what about the fact that people who can really cook, that's an art form. Fuck yeah, it is. They dedicate their life to it and it makes your life, it just makes the world a better place. I don't want to live in a world with bad food or food to where people don't take care of. Yeah, you do. You'd rather live in that world than not be alive.

Someone said, all right, no good food. You don't know me, Joe. No good food, but also no zombies or good food and zombies. I want zombies so I can have an arsenal. You can have an arsenal. You can have an arsenal. Can you imagine what Pigman and Nugent would do if we had good food and zombies in this world? Oh, man, it would be the greatest show ever. The television special. On Twitter the other day, the best show ever would be a combination of The Walking Dead and Duck Dynasty.

These dudes, they go out, they're doing their fucking wacky stunts, like pretending, well, I couldn't open the door, so I called Bob. This fake scenario. And then all of a sudden, they all get eaten by zombies. Just rip their fucking throats out as they're filming that shitty show. And they eat their beard. They eat their beard. And they choke and die.

Blood and brains mixed in with beard. And they're trying to choke it down, throwing up. Zombies throw up because they can't eat their beard. One of the first TV meetings I ever had was years ago now. I think it was 2004. I had a TV meeting where a guy

in an aside explained to me the most brilliant show that he was doing, but I don't think it ever happened. It was going to be... He was pitching around a show that was going to be, he was pitching around the show. It was going to be, it was going to start like a reality show where you make everybody go live in a house. Okay? And, you know, you foment the typical, like, interpersonal conflict.

All right? And as it would go on, things would start getting so unusual. He was already, like, right when reality TV was starting, he was already trying to think of what, he was already like right when reality tv was starting he was already trying he was already trying to think of what he was ahead of his time he's already thinking like how to toy with it and he wanted to have it get like increasingly outrageous to build up where people would say like there's no way there's no way and he wanted to bring it to the point where there was a murder whoa you know and then there'd be a murder and then the people in the reality show would be trying to like hide the fact that they killed one of the roommates and it would make this like

very gradual segue into drama and i was like that is the most genius thing but i don't think he ever was he trying for an actual real murder no no no he was just gonna do he's gonna fake it a scripted reality he's gonna have a script like a a scripted reality show that the way viewers don't really understand that reality shows are cast and scripted. He was going to toy with this idea right when it was starting to happen. A real world to MTV real world type thing. But build it. And as he lost, as he courted an incredulous response in his viewership, being like, there's no way. There's no way. They didn't do that. That didn't happen.

To push it so far that the final tipping point would be that they actually kill somebody in the house. But they don't really kill someone in the house. It's just bullshit. At that point, it jumped to being like, we've been messing with you the whole time.

This is all just us playing with you. That's Duck Dynasty. That's what I'm talking about. That's the fucking show. Maybe that's the guy. I just never heard anything about beards. He faded out of that and dressed it up in beards. They look like ZZ Top.

I love ZZ Top. Listen, we've got to wrap this bitch up and bring it home. This has been a lot of fun. Cam, thanks for coming on, man. Sorry you had to share a microphone, but this is a really low-tech fucking studio. I need to get my act together. This is the most people we've ever had on microphone. And it worked out.

We did it. This is awesome. Thanks for having me on, man. And so April 28th is the show on Meat Eater. It's on the Sportsman's channel. You can find it on the internet in your local. When are we doing this again, man? When are we hunting again?

We just got to line it up. I could always justify it. Let's do it. I think we should do a wild pig thing. Let's do it. From the ground. No helicopters. Can we not do it April 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th?

Because I'll be in Edmonton at the comic strip. As long as we don't do it then. I'm not playing my dad. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada? Yeah, I'll be in Edmonton at the Comic Strip. I'm not playing on my dad. Edmonton, Alberta, Canada? Yeah, I'll just be there doing stand-up April 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th. Alright, we're going to work it out, but we're all going together again? Fuck yeah, we're going together again.

I'm absolutely committed. Northern California? I'm committed. So April 28th, you'll see our show. I've watched both of them. It was really fun, man. It was such a good episode. Some of the best food, most satisfying food I've watched both of them. It was really fun, man. It was such a good episode. It was such a cool experience. Some of the best food, the most satisfying food I've ever eaten in my life.

Sitting down on the ground, 10 degrees outside, cooking deer over a fire. It was fucking amazing. Let's do it again. Couldn't have been more fun. The cashmere killer. The cashmere killer. I'm wearing cashmere. I'm writing a blog about the entire event that I'll put up this week. I've got to write a blog, too.

Because I have pictures of Brian taking a shit outside, and we put a flag and aluminum foil in it, and we're going to offer money on Twitter, like $1,000. If anybody can find it and take a picture of their face next to Brian's shit, if you can find it on the Missouri breaks, we'll give you a rough description of where he is at GGS. Am I excluded? Yeah, you're excluded.

Yeah, you're excluded. I was out going, baby. We had to put the poop in biodegrad going baby we had a we had to uh put the poop in biodegradable these bags you had to take your poop with you you're not supposed to leave your poop behind so it was all that makes it all the more tricky to find those bags those shit bags were space somewhere in a foil bag yeah space age there's none quite like the first night being outside the tent shitting into a bag my my pants down, it's pouring rain, just not quite cold enough for it to freeze, but just pouring rain, I'm shitting into a bag going, whoa.

I was trying to clean my butt with my thermos. I was trying to run water through it. I was like, ah, I ran out of water and I'm cleaning my fucking butt. I have to ask this before we, are we going to release the ravine comer footage and put that on the internet? Is it possible? It just isn't because i it just

isn't because it would i work for people is there a way that you can't have me coming in you know here's the better answer i'm not the guy to ask okay and that's dead serious i'm not the i wouldn't be like whoever's the editor talk over there talk over there whoever's the editor i got a fat bag of weed with your name on it and i know know you want it. Okay, let's make this happen. We need to get to Ravine Cover, and we need to get it on the internet. And me pulling quills out of your rump. Yeah, that was fun, too. No, that's out there.

Oh, it's on the internet? Let's get that going. Is it on the internet? We're a family program, but that's out there. We're putting that out. Okay, beautiful. Yeah, Brian, for like an hour, pulled quills out of my ass. You know, it was very heartfelt man

it was very heartfelt and it made me appreciate you guys friendship because you were joking about it you were joking about it but he did it

oh no you know what I mean a lot of dudes would just be like uh uh I ain't doing that I ain't no homo and I would do it for him in a fucking

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