The Joe Rogan Experience - #351 - Georges St. Pierre

Episode Date: April 23, 2013

Georges St. Pierre is a Canadian MMA fighter, and is also the UFC Welterweight Champion.

The Joe Rogan Experience just listening to this george saint pierre is our guest and he's a ufc welterweight champion in the world just uh recently defended his title against uh nick diaz um does doesn't are you cool with nick now it seemed like you guys were complimentary after the fight i'm cool with him i don't know if he's cool with me i'm like i i'm all right i'm cool with everybody that dude turns everything into a personal affair right right? Yes, he does. Does that ever get to you when guys shit talk you? Because you're like, if people didn't know you, all right, if the average person did not know what you do, besides the look that you're physically strong,

they would never think that you're a fighter. You're a very friendly guy. You're very easy to, I've seen you interact with a lot of different people over many years. You're very easygoing, very nice to get along with. Yeah, I don't want to look like a fighter when you talk to me, let's say, on the phone. I want to look like a normal human being. Right.

Of course, yeah. That's a little bit the impression that people have sometimes. Well, you're not just a nice guy. You're honest about your own vulnerabilities, which I've always found fascinating. You talk about what makes you scared. You talk about what you're worried about. Like, you know, like even this Nick Diaz, what you're like, I am scared because I don't want to lose to this guy. Like there's a lot of people who never admit that. Yeah. But it make you, I think it make you stronger

to admit that you're scared because you're not scared to say that you're scared. Right. Someone who's doesn't admit it because he's scared to admit that he's scared. He's scared of himself. He's scared of what people are going to think about him. I'm not scared what people are going to think. They have to see me as I am.

So I'm not scared to admit that I'm scared. And it's almost like when you don't admit you're scared, it's like you're protecting yourself from evolving. Because the only way

you can ever be realistic about a situation and get better at anything in life is you've got to accurately address what's happening true 100% you know there's some people that don't do that and I think that cuts them off from a certain amount of progress in life I think there's a certain there's there's like walls that you put up yourself because you're not willing to look at your own failures a hundred percent you're not you're not honest with yourself you know so that's what it is a little bit yeah so admitting you're you're afraid is like so what bitch yeah i'm afraid that's what you know what as much as i'm afraid i'm gonna make that walk the day of the day of the the day of it and i'm gonna do it

regardless and it sounds more crazy. I would be more afraid of a guy who says, I'm afraid, but you know what? I'm going to still do it, and I don't care if I'm afraid. Bring it. I'll do it. This sounds crazy to me more than a guy who says, oh, no, no, no. I'm not afraid because this guy is afraid to say that he's afraid. He's a liar.

You know what I mean? To me, personally, that's what it is. is yeah the posturing and posing it's it's unnecessary exactly but you are afraid of aliens though right yeah i'm afraid of a lot of things is it true you have like a path mapped out in your house how to get out if the aliens show up. No That's the rumor man I heard you have a plan because I know you like to use game plans So I think I know I know karate and I know jiu-jitsu So they all you show up. I put a triangle choke on him

And I also have a cat that I'm also a captain a Japanese cat Anna so if they come I can slice them apart Wow, do you keep a sword in your house? Yes, I have. It's a collection. It's for me. I have two. You better not bring any crazy bitches home. Oh, man.

A sword and crazy bitches. I have this hacksaw on the side of my bed that I always forget is there, and I almost cut my finger off all the time. Yeah, you should put that in the garage, son. Fuck this drop. It's like this big sword slash meat cleaver that it's just awesome.

So do you really have a fear of aliens or is this just a bullshit rumor? Didn't you do a countdown show and you did a whole thing talking about how you're being scared of being abducted by aliens? Yeah, I'm scared. I'm scared of a lot of things. But that's a specific one.

I'll get into it. I can't talk about it right now. You can't talk about it right now? No. One day I'm going to come out and make a big thing about it, but no. Are they in the room right now? Yeah. Have you had an experience with aliens?

No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I don't know. I don't know. You don't know. You might have had an experience with aliens? No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I don't know. I don't know. You don't know. You might have had an experience. My manager is going to have

a heart attack right now. He's like, ah! My brother, I would never do or lead you down any path that's bad for your career. Just as you said that it's good to be afraid,

it's also good to be honest about everything, even shit that sounds crazy. No, no, no. I don't know if there's a thing. I'm honest. Like, look, I'm honest. I'm afraid. It's also good to be honest about everything, even shit that sounds crazy. No, no, no. I don't know if that's the thing. I'm honest. Like, look, I'm honest. I'm afraid.

But I don't have to tell everything on the public. It's true. You don't. But, you know... Did you have sex with an alien? Because you're a smart guy. Let me tell you,

you're a very smart guy, you know? You know how to dig into people's mind. And as much as I like you, I hate that about you because he put me on the spot right now. But he's a very smart guy. But no, no, I can't go too deep into this. Listen, if I was on an alien spacecraft and I had sex with an alien like I'm assuming you did, I feel like I would just come out and talk about it. I don't know why you would hold that back. No, but I mean – Something happened about it. I don't know why you would hold that back. No, but I mean...

Something happened, George. I don't know. It's either I'm crazy or maybe it really happened, but I hope that I'm crazy. I don't think you're crazy. I hope I am. I could be crazy. You know, some people, some great minds,

they've been hallucinating stuff. Some people are, how do you say, maniacal depressive. Some people are OCD. Some people are this. Some people are that. And they've been able to achieve great stuff in their life. So maybe I'm crazy. Who knows?

I don't know. I hope I'm crazy. Well, are these experiences, I can help you in one way, are these experiences happening at night? I am not sure. i am not sure i have no i'm not sure have any of these experiences happen while you've been in a dream state or you've just been dreaming or just asleep and you were woken up i i am not sure that i had experience i don't know i don't remember anything but it was there was a night time type things? Was it nighttime when you think you might have had something happen to you?

I can't say something happened to me. I have no proof. I just don't know. What I'm going to tell you about is your brain produces a chemical while you're sleeping. But I'm going to tell you something, and I'm going to be honest about it. Sometime, I'm looking at the clock. Sometimes I'm looking at the clock and it's like I wake up and I look at the clock right after and it's like the clock advanced like a four hour or two hours. There's a time zone that I don't remember what happened.

It's called falling asleep. I hope so. What do you think? You think you're getting snatched up and taken away for a couple hours? No, I think maybe I fall asleep. That's what I hope. That's what I hope. Or I can drive. I can drive my car. I can drive my car.

And it already happened. I drove my car. While you were sleeping? I don't know. I drove my car on a normal day, like going somewhere. Then I look, and it's a two-hour pass. I'm like, two hours have just passed, like this. Maybe I didn't see.

Maybe I watched the wrong time. Like I watched my clock, and I made a mistake myself. Right. Most likely, right? Yes, of course. I hope so. Well, that's very minor stuff. That's very minor stuff.

Yeah. But that could be you being tired because you push yourself and a lot of stress. It's exactly what I hope. So it's exactly what I hope. But you don't have any memories of great dudes putting fingers up your butt. No, I don't. None of that. I've had a job where you're driving down the street, like on the highway, and you're just like kind of dazed out.

You're like, wait, how long I've been? I've been dazed out for like 20 minutes. What have I been doing for 20 minutes you can totally go on autopilot yeah and then like you just realize like almost all of a sudden you're home yeah but um the the thing about being exhausted and sleep you know having these experiences at night there's a chemical your brain makes that's uh one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man so one of the things they're trying to connect it's called dmt and one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man. So one of the things they're trying to connect, it's called DMT. One of the things they're trying to connect is people having near-death experiences and people that have had UFO, alien abduction-type experiences, and this chemical.

And that they can introduce this chemical into the human body. And these people have very similar experiences to what they had when they had a UFO encounter or when they had a white light near-death experience encounter. It's most likely there's this chemical that's doing this. So when people are having these experiences, they're very realistic, and they do believe they're being taken aboard by a UFO somewhere. They might not be wrong. But this is not a UFO encounter. The UFO, it's UFO is unidentified object. The encounter you talk about, if they've been taken aboard, this is different.

It could be a third type encounter. There's many ways, but this is different. You talk about me, I don't have any memory of such thing. But the thing I have, like you say, sometimes I fall asleep, then I wake up, the time passes, and I'm like, well, you know. But that's just because you're tired, man. That's not aliens. Yeah, no, no.

But are you worried? You're like, man, maybe it's aliens. Is that what you do? No, it's because I feel like I didn't fall asleep, and I'm not tired. I'm wide awake, awake. But I fall asleep like this and it's kind of weird. Are these on hard sparring days? No.

No? Just a normal day? It could happen every day. You should get a GoPro, like a camera, and just record yourself all the time. And then when you ever think that happens, watch it. I mean, those things record for like eight hours at a time. How long has this been going on? Since I'm a kid. Wow. that happens watch it i mean those things record for like eight hours at a time somehow yeah how long has this been going on since i'm a kid wow wow wouldn't it be crazy if uh the aliens like

manufactured you to be uh next martial arts fighter they're like let's see if we could just turn i'm sure i would i'm sure if it would have happened i would have been much better than than than this much better than this you're the champion yeah but if it would have happened, I would have been much better than this. Much better than this? You're the fucking champion. Yeah, but if I would be alien manufacturer, I would be Superman, you know? Well, they just don't want to get ridiculous with it. It has to be realistic.

Yeah, that would be obvious. You can't turn a guy into a goddamn superhero. Maybe they manufactured Anderson Silva, John Jones. Maybe they did Rosaldo. Maybe someone needs to talk to them about their sleep patterns. Maybe they're falling asleep behind the wheel too and being sucked aboard a spaceship for repairs. Maybe they don't want to talk about it. Maybe they don't say it, but maybe they are. I don't know. I'm just

pretending. I think it's funny though that that's maybe one subject that you had a really hard time talking about that. I do because it sounds crazy. Yes. And I will talk about it one day. I'm going to talk about my fear, all that stuff. But no, I don't get deep into this.

Yeah, maybe they just... But I promise one day I'll talk about stuff. But it's not what people think. You promise one day? Yeah, I promise one day. What's that? There is no tomorrow. Didn't you see Rocky III? When Apollo Creed says that to Rocky Balboa? It's not what people think. You promise one day? Yeah, I promise one day. What's that? There is no tomorrow. Didn't you see Rocky III?

When Apollo Creed says that to Rocky Balboa? It's true. It's true. Like you said, maybe I'll die one day. Maybe I'll die tomorrow. I hope I touch wood not. And people say, oh. And I'm like, oh.

How did you say that? Was that French? I touch wood not? Is that what you said? I touch the wood like you say when you don't want it to happen, you know? Yeah, just let it go. Just whatever information you got, spill it. No, when you don't you don't want it happen you know yeah just let it go just whatever information you got spill it no but i don't know i'm doing my i'm doing my own research i'm researching on myself like you say that's the thing that you just told me it's very interesting

the chemical that buddy produce yeah that's that i'm happy that i meet you today and you tell that about me because i make me make me happy you know yeah it'll make you think like i think a lot of people think they're going crazy yeah it's not it's just your brain makes psychedelic drugs your brain produces it and parts your liver and your lungs they don't know why this stuff is in the body but it's it's a super potent psychedelic your brain makes it and it happens when you sleep in so if like the speculation is that it happens during REM sleep I I don't think they have the most accurate way of measuring it. But they know it's in the body and they believe it's the theory is that it comes out during periods of heavy stress or when your body thinks it's going to die or in REM sleep. And those are the times that you have higher levels of this stuff in your neurochemical soup.

That's interesting. It's crazy. Why would your brain produce an incredibly potent psychedelic drug? So a lot of people that are having these nighttime experiences could be just varying levels of this chemical that's going around in your brain. But that doesn't mean that these experiences aren't real. We don't know what the fuck sleeping is anyway. I mean, what is sleeping?

You shut your eyes. You shut off. You don't exist in this plane and your consciousness goes somewhere else like literally you have no memory of a giant chunk of your day and we have no problem with it and yet we don't connect it to any other realm or the idea of there being other dimensions you go into another dimension when you go to sleep okay you do you just shut off you stop and for all intents and purposes you are in another dimension and if while you're in that other dimension your brain is being pumped with this psychedelic chemical that when you take it when you're sober makes you have these incredible experiences it only seems to it just seems like a normal thing to look into like people should be looking into that like what it what is what is happening when you're sleeping?

You go away. Everybody's just so used to it. They're like, no big deal. We just go away. Just go away for eight hours a day. Everybody's scared to die and no one's scared to fall asleep. You're shutting off, man. You know you're going to be back so you're not worried.

But you're shutting off. Whatever that is is just accepted if sleeping didn't exist it would be the craziest fucking thing if all of a sudden you told people that they had to shut off for eight hours a night and just completely not be a what are you talking about I gotta shut off but yeah you're gonna shut off for eight hours a night and you're not gonna know what's happening people can touch your balls while you're sleeping you'll have no way of stopping them. There's a lot of things that can happen.

The truth is, like you said, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know what the fuck that is. I could, like you say, it's not that I'm afraid to be crazy. It's just I can say whatever the hell I want and we don't know. Maybe, you know what I mean? We don't know. We don't know the truth.

We have no idea. Yeah, somebody might be stealing time from you. They might be stealing time. They're like, this motherfucker's got too much time. The truth is I feel like I had experience, but I don't know what it is. So for me to say it's alien or say it's the drug chemical you talk about, I don't know. I can't tell you right now.

I don't know what it is. But I felt like it could have been an experience or not. Maybe I felt maybe I'm crazy and it's the normal thing that everybody goes like. But right now, I don't know. I'm making my own research to find out about that. How are you researching? I research a lot of stuff, documentaries and things, and go on the Internet. Now it's another thing that you just said to me.

I'm going to research that. Maybe I research on the internet. Now it's another thing that you just said to me. I'm going to research that. Maybe I researched on the wrong. Maybe I researched things that people have tried because that lapse of time that you don't remember, some people have been hypnotized and they had a bad adventure, and I don't want to be hypnotized. Well, that's very controversial.

What's happening during hypnosis, hypnotic regression, it's very controversial. Because there's a lot of people that believe that you can introduce fake memories into a person while they're unconscious. And then you could steer the events in one way or another and introduce false memories. It's not very reliable, I don't think. So that's one of the big things about these people that have these crazy stories from hypnotic regression. Like, what the fuck is really going on?

You know, you don't know. A lot of times people that are in therapy in the first place are a little wound up. Of course, of course. So it's that. Those are the type of people that you're dealing with. You're hypnotizing them. And then you're finding out about these nutty experiences with aliens. Who knows what the fuck you're really doing.

But I'm going to tell you, like Socrates used to say, you take a fish in the water, okay, and the fish lives in his environment. Let's say a fisherman, he grabs a fish in the water. He pulls it off the water, look at him, make the fish look around, and drop the fish back in the water. The fish, after, is going to go back to his friend,

and he's going to tell the other fish, man, I built a port out in the water. The fish after is going to go back to his friend and he's going to tell the other fish, man, Abel pulled out of the water and it was, people were breathing air. It was another environment. I saw a human being pull, you know, like a man grabbing me. I saw trees. I saw a bird in the sky. I saw

like a sun. I'm like, I see a different thing in a different universe. And then he put me back. The other fish will think he's completely insane, you know. And it's normal. So maybe in a way we're all like fish. And maybe there is something, like you said, like when you see another universe or another well or something,

and we don't know. And we're right next to it, but we don't know. And if that's why I'm doing research, I want to grow, you know, I want to grow as a human being, find what was the truth, even though I probably will never find out the truth. And I want to get closer and closer and find my own research, see what's happening, you know, and we're all in the same pattern, you know.

You know what I think the problem with people wanting to find the truth is there is no truth. There are truths. I think there is no one truth. And everyone is like, someday I hope to find the truth is there is no truth there are truths i think there is no one truth and everyone is like someday i hope to find the truth like what are you talking about it's not one thing there's truths there's a lot of information there's a lot of stuff and to call it the truth like to figure out the whole big thing it's almost impossible for our brains to to grasp like an ant doesn't know what a cell phone tower is. It's almost impossible for our brains to grasp the enormity of going from protons and cells and an animal and a planet and a galaxy

and a universe and multiple universes. It's too much. there's no way you're going to be able to take all the things that are going in all over the world and understand it all and understand the pieces that it falls into it's not possible so this whole thing where i was like i'm gonna you know hopefully i'll find the truth you will find truths you will never find the truth because you're a a monkey yeah well we're not we're probably not that we're not smart enough. Yeah. I understand what you say. We are being birthed into a whole new universe of information that's never existed for any previous human beings. And we're not designed for it.

We're not designed to process this. We're designed to figure out where the deer are going. We're designed to figure out who do you want to fuck. We're designed to think this guy, he's probably going to take over my village, this cunt. And that's how we're designed to figure out who do you want to fuck we're designed to think this guy he's probably going to take over my village this cunt and that's how we're designed and then within the last 10 000 years that has become you know watching like space documentaries and getting on the internet and it's too much there's no there's no way there's no way you know exactly what's going on all over the world you You'll go crazy. Yeah. You don't have the time. It will take a lot of time, and still to acclimate. I agree 100% with that. Have you heard of a lot of these guys like Dan Hardy did this,

going to Peru and they take these ayahuasca ceremonies? Did you hear about that? No. You didn't hear about that. Dan Hardy did it. Again, wait to get him on the podcast and talk to him about it, but he said it changed his whole life. And it's the same thing.

It's DMT. It's these Amazon Indians. They make it in a brew. And the active ingredient in this brew is DMT. And they have these ceremonies. And they all get together. And they'll play music. And this guy, like, blows tobacco smoke in your face.

And you drink this stuff. And an hour and 20 minutes later, they enter into the spirit world, have life-changing visions, the wildest physical manifestations of your imagination you could ever possibly think of and dream of. You can't even think about it. You can't even put it into words, and it's legal in Peru. It's legal in parts of South Americaica so people are going down there these americans are going down there on a regular basis and having these shamanic rituals life-changing rituals and it's all based on the

same thing that comes out of your brain when you're dreaming yeah yeah pretty nutty yeah you could make you realize things like you say learn about about yourself. Do you meditate? I would not say meditate. I would say visualizing, yes. Visualizing. So with specific tasks in mind, like visualizing fight strategies? I have fights, visualizing what I want in my life, where I wanted to be in 20 years. I try to visualize where I could be and what I want.

It could be about fight. It could be about fight. It could be about anything. It could be about my training and one hour, what I'm going to do and, you know, about everything. It could be in business, you know. It could be when I'm going to meet someone, what I'm going to say or, you know. It could be about everything. Do you have very specific, like, goals, like, for your life? Do you have, like, things written down?

Yes, I do. Do you things written down yes i do do you write them down yeah i have goals yeah some of some i wrote it down some i don't but yeah i do i do have a specific goal i have goals for my career but i have bigger goals than this much bigger much bigger goal than you yeah like for example are you going to be president of the world no no but i want to be for example one of my of my goals is to be married, have a wife with at least five kids, four or five kids minimum. Wow. I want to have a lot of kids. That's one of my goals, you know.

That's my goal. And I'm not there yet, but it's one of my goals, you know. I don't think you're going to have a problem finding a nice lady. Find a nice lady that I can get along with. Well, I think you're better off I think you better have a lot of kids look up in Canada Japan don't be trying to get these American chicks

they'll get mouthy especially after you retire you all retired and shit that's so funny do you have a clear timeline as to when you're going to discontinue your fighting career? No, I don't. I didn't plan this. Now I'm focusing on my career right now.

I want to be the best at what I do. And I want to be the guy that makes the difference in the sport. Help the sport, the UFC, grow and be more mainstream everywhere. Well, you've already done that just by being who you are, by your personality, your ability to just be a normal guy who just happens to be one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet. Yeah, but it still is a lot of things to do.

In some countries, it's illegal, you know. Right. Sure, there's still a lot of work to do as far as the spread of MMA. Not just some countries, some states. It's still illegal in New York State. When I first started, yeah, when I'm from my country, it was illegal in Canada, you know. It was not sanctioned and everything. So, this, I'm happy at least where I live now.

It's good and it's very popular. Yeah, I watched your first fights, man. I watched you in the TKO organization. Yeah. Yeah, I watched all those, you know. I've always been a big, big fan of MMA and I think that it's so important that there's all these other organizations going on

like, you know, like that MFC up in Canada and it used to be Strikeforce and, you know, now there's Bellator other organizations going on like you know like that that mfc up in canada and it used to be strike force and you know now this bellator is doing really well it's like so important to have a bunch of different outlets for guys to pursue their careers but up in canada it was just like that tko organization right yeah a couple more yeah it was pretty much only the tko you guys fought in a ring yeah it wasn't a ring back then yeah yeah what do you do some guys prefer the ring what do you prefer no the cage the cage yeah the ring is it's not the environment uh the cage is better or i would rather do like uh yeah the cage is perfect a circular like octagon or circular cage or even better than a ring ring would be like a platform where there is no walls.

There is like a line. No, no, you don't fall, but there is a line. And if you step across the line, they put you back. But there is a line, and then there is a bigger. So you don't fall, but it's a platform. I see what you're saying. They have that in the Super League a little bit. Like wrestling.

Like sumo. Yeah, kind of sumo. Yeah, exactly. That would be good too. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. It's just a space consideration probably. Exactly. Yeah, no, for sure.

They don't want some Brock Lesnar dude just steamrolling someone right into the crowd. It's true. No, no, that would be hardcore. But something like that. I think the cage is pretty good. It's a good surface. Yeah, the only objection that people have as fans is sometimes it makes the action a little harder to see

if you're there. Watching it at home, it's perfect. I'm sure they could make a material which is like a window. They could see through it. Like a plastic window which is soft. Isn't it all greasy and shit? Every time dudes would be like,

what if that Daniel Cormier-Frank Mir fight happened? The whole thing would be just grease. You wouldn't be able to see shit because those guys pressed up against every spot on that cage. But it's also girl MMA now and it could be like a car wash. Like a girl MMA car wash.

It's true, but I'm sure there is... There's a lot of things i would have changed in this part first of all the time is no time no round right i think he's i think seriously i believe it's stupid the wrong we want to see who's the best man let them fight you know 15 minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship no round why the round why we try to be like boxing you know we're not boxers they did they did round to be like boxing to be accepted as a sport yeah there would probably be a lot more finishes if there was no no time yeah of course 100 no round you know like that this is ridiculous

i mean i like it me me seriously do you think it's possible that the ufc would you would you fight someone like that? 100% Would you arrange that like as a particular rule like maybe the UFC could do it in Russia or somewhere where they're gangster about it Yeah, I would I would I would rather like I would rather fight in the rule like this I think would be more honest like who's the better man let them fight See that could have happened in pride they did that in pride right with this in hoist Gracie have a 90-minute match with Sakuraba? But I think that was like even then, it was like... That's when it used to be the real thing, you know?

Back in the day. That's why I have so much respect for these guys. Hoyce, Coleman, Dan Severn. This guy is a pioneer, you know? Oh, yeah. The no-time-limit pioneers. Harold Howard. Yeah.

With his tank top. Harold Howard. With those crazy glasses. Joe Sando. Yeah. Who else did it? Yeah. Joe Sando became like a.

Freddy Dish. He's in jail for gang rape. Oh my God. Really? Yeah. Joe Sando was a part of a gang rape. Are you serious? Yeah.

Apparently. They arrested him for something else and got his DNA and connected it to a gang rape. Oh my God. Years by. Yeah. I'm wondering what happened to, like, some of the other guys. Like, Harold Howard. I think he got arrested.

He's a Canadian. When I watched it, I was happy, you know. He's a Canadian guy. I was like, yeah, let's kick ass, you know. Remember when he threw that crazy cartwheel kick? Yeah. On Steve Jenim. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was good. That was a good fight, you know. Yeah, it was good, man. how about the boxer Emerson with one gloves yeah yeah what was Jimerson art Jimerson yes yeah what was that about maybe probably maybe he had a hurt hand or something no I think he was thinking more like he's gonna grab with one hand and swing with it I don't know like I who knows go to with their mind but it back then. It was a real thing. It was the time where I literally watched the fight back in the day and thought someone could die.

You needed to have so much courage back in the day to step into the octagon, much more than nowadays. Nowadays, before, it's no weight class, nothing. It was unknown. It was unknown. I remember I fight like a norris uh against pat smith and the guy had the like you know like like a blood everywhere before they stopped the fight then you see a towel flying and he still didn't stop the fight i'm like this is

when time you this is the the guy is the, you know, these guys, they were the real tough guy, you know what I mean? Yeah, there was no referee stopping you. Yeah, no referee, no round, no athletic commission, no weight class, no this, no that, no A. Do you see fights where fights get stopped quickly? Does that piss you off? Well, you know, it's to protect the, you know, the referee can make a mistake sometimes and it pisses me off. Yeah, it's sad protect the, you know, the referee can make a mistake sometimes.

It pisses me off. Yeah, it's sad to see when there's a mistake done. I think they try to be the best they could be. But, like, I can't believe the round. I don't think round is a good idea. That's my opinion. Just round in general. Round is a bad idea, yeah. What about gloves?

Some people think there should be no gloves. Some people think if you can knee a guy and elbow a guy and kick a guy, why do you have covers on your knuckles? That's true. It could be an option, no gloves, but there would be a lot of broken hands. But the problem is they would fight differently. Back in the day in pancreas, I wrote stuff that they used to hit a lot with the smash at the end. Yeah. Well, if you watch the old Boss Rootin' days in Pankrace, he figured out that he could throw punches.

He pulls his hand way back. So instead of slapping and karate chop style, he was throwing punches, but he was doing it with his palm. Yeah. But the thing is we wouldn't fight the same way we would fight now to preserve our body. Like when I fought Nick Diaz, he was in third position, I was punching. Like if I would be bare hand, I would hit with my palm, you know what I mean?

I wouldn't hit like the same way. I would have probably broke my hand or, you know. I never had my hand broken, you know, and I'm lucky, you know. But, you know, I would fight different way. It would make it better also for all the grappling aspect. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling. It would be better.

It would be more realistic. I mean, I don't really understand why they have a pad on the gloves. I mean, I think it's a… A hundred percent. A hundred percent. If you don't have pads on your shins and you're kicking people in the face, like, come on, that's crazy. Like, you got a pad, little knuckles, knuckles and yeah you can cut people more but it also breaks your hand more it's just it's if you want it if the sport if

you're trying to have it be realistic it's almost like bad to allow people to wear gloves because it allows them to tee off and punch as hard as they can without worry about breaking your hands hundred percent hundred percent is true it's true and I you know and you know you could break your hand but you know you hit a guy with a good punch on and that draw you know a bare knuckle i don't think you will break your hand you know just doing karate you know care question they they you know well people are also um you know it would punch much harder of course because the tape is i don't think it's the the, I think it's the tape that holds the wrist.

So there is no movement in the wrist and everything, all the impact makes it harder. Yes, definitely. That's why I believe, you know. Yeah, I think the hand wrap definitely aids the person who's punching. Yes. But you also would be really cognizant of only punching with the first two knuckles, you know, because in boxing, you know, you're taught to punch and concentrate on those knuckles. But in reality, a lot of times when you throw in combinations, you're hitting them with all parts of your hand.

Whereas you're taught in karate the idea of punching like a makiwara over and over and over again. It's to toughen these two knuckles. Jack Dempsey says it's the third knuckle. The third knuckle? Yes, he used to punch with the third knuckle. And he was known for punching power. Yeah, he could punch very the third knuckle. And he was known for punching power. Yeah, he could punch very hard, Jack Dempsey.

So he says it's the third knuckle because he said the alignment of the body is better with the third knuckle. Hmm, that's interesting. Well, I would never argue with Jack Dempsey. But most people believe that it's the first two knuckles. No, no, I know. I can guarantee, same thing they teach. But Jack Dempsey, strangely, says the third knuckle. In the book he says that. That guy was a fucking savage, huh? Yeah.

Watch those old school fights. He was fighting dudes much bigger than him. He was only about $1.90. I think he was like $1.96 or something like that when he was the heavyweight champion. He was fucking up those. You know what? I might be wrong. I think, actually, Jack Dempsey was even lighter than that.

I think Jack Dempsey. Hold on a second. Let me pull it up. I don't even think he was 196. Rocky Marciano, which is really... Marciano was 175. Yeah, what the fuck, man? There's certain dudes like that that just can hit so fucking hard. Yeah, but their opponent was not as big as well.

That's true. Now we're like monster. Like monster like look that glitch go you know it's crazy you know yeah it doesn't say his weight Wikipedia says is six foot max you know or Dempsey max you know was like one said one 175 one and 180 Marciano was? Yeah, yeah. I thought he was 185. Marciano, I remember I read he was 180. I don't think he was. Dempsey was 192. That's crazy. Yeah.

It's like my size. It's my size fighting every white guy like Brock Lesnar. Holy shoot. But they had those little tiny-ass gloves back then. True. They had just a little cover over the knuckles. Very little padding at all. It was probably just like a little horse hair in there as well.

Wild. Wild. Do you pay attention to old videos of old fights? Do you ever watch old boxing matches and see what guys like Dempsey had to go through? What guys like Jack Johnson had to go through, what guys like Jack Johnson had to go through. I watch a lot of stuff. What I've been watching on the internet recently is a lot of karate stuff.

I'm really intrigued. Really? Yeah. Like the point karate guys. I think it's very underrated. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of very good fighters. They come from that.

And I think it translates to MMA very well. Absolutely. Marciano was 188, apparently. The ability to move in and out really quickly. That's the best. Have you ever fought in point tournaments before? I did, yeah. It's very frustrating. I'm from Kyokushin Karate.

It's not the same system, but I did point karate before. I fought only a few point karate tournaments, but I fought one really high level guy. He wins a lot of those point karate tournaments. It was so different from Taekwondo being continuous fighting to this being like, stop! It was really hard to fight that way if you're not used to it. I would just imagine the guy who's really good at lunging in and out like that, if you could teach him all the other aspects of MMA, that would be a big advantage. That's what I use for my takedown.

The shoot, people say, oh, it's your wrestling. It has nothing to do with my wrestling. My wrestling is once I get the leg, I finish the takedown. But how I get in and out is because of karate. People are like, no way, karate, no. And I'm like, yes, karate that allowed me to cut the distance and to take the people down i have a very good single to the ball or very good double and very good penetration it's because of my leg the way i do and this timing i get it from the karate

wow yeah that's i wrestling too but karate primary because before i i started wrestling i was karate guy pure and i i just acclimated myself very well to wrestling, especially for the mixed martial art. Wow, that's really interesting. Because I've always said that one of the best things about you is your ability to close the distance. Yeah, it's karate. That makes sense. It totally makes sense. All my footwork pattern and everything is from karate.

That's what I get it from. Springing in like that, the ability ability to cover that distance that's a huge advantage cover the descent and to not get hit right yeah and that is one of the cornerstones of those tournaments and that style did you have a hard time when you made a transition to Muay Thai and MMA style today today even my kicks are like more like karate guy you know i don't i do Muay Thai but i my kick you know it's like printed inside my right it's hard to say like you're a taekwondo guy you you can kick but you will stay taekwondo like and you know it's fine too you know the the best like i believe taekwondo

is the best spinning back kick you you have the best spinning back kick i ever seen in my entire life you know you're from taekwondo you know what i mean yeah and it is your background and and you try to change your technique of your spinning back kick it will be the worst thing you could do you know what i mean so i i try to learn to add stuff to my arsenal but i don't try to change my my thing you know right right yeah i um i still incorporate a lot of those techniques but i do more just regular muay thai now than anything else because i think all those techniques like the spinning back kick and wheel kick for a guy like you that has like a strong karate background or a guy who picks things up really quickly that's you know those are good

techniques to learn but like for everyday use it's hard to pull those things off unless you're doing it on a regular basis like they become normal when you're fighting in taekwondo tournaments and everybody's doing it you're doing it every day but in mma there's so many other fucking things like to to have the the type of leg dexterity that you see like the top level taekwondo guys have it's so hard to have that along with wrestling along with boxing along with jiu-jitsu like how do you manage like all your different skill sets do you have like like 20% of your time goes to this 30% goes to that like no no no it depends like like I give you an example right now i'm

last week i was doing for the the movie captain america the filming then now i'm doing the interview but every day i find time i go to freddie roach work on my boxing and this part of my like this time i'm on my boxing pretty much and when i'm gonna go to new york for example because i have to go to New York, for example, because I have to go to New York for the book promo, I'm going to do my jiu-jitsu with John Danner. I'm going to be doing jiu-jitsu. When I go back to Montreal, I mix up everything.

But when I go to different places, I do my specific things. And this is in between fights, so you don't have a fight scheduled. So now you're just in the skill development phase. Is that what it is? Yeah. And that's when my training is fun because I train for myself to get better and I try stuff. Like now you see me if I go roll with my friend like at his academy. I roll. I try stuff that I would maybe not have the guts to try in normal time because it's risky.

So I try it. Oh oh i get tapped and you know i tap and i laugh who cares i tap i don't i don't care sometimes i tap him sometimes i get tapped right but but when i train for a training camp now i train for performance so i have to perform i cannot be beaten in training otherwise my confidence will be affected so i try to perform so that's when my training is not as fun as it is now right yeah the ability to loosen up in training is is very important when you're in the learning phase right yes yes that's how you develop new techniques and there's there is a ego issue too like with guys who uh are not that good at jujitsu like you see it a lot like maybe like strikers yes they

don't want to roll because they don't like getting tapped that's stupid that it doesn't mean anything you tap it doesn't mean you're not as good as the other guy that's mean you play that game and you just get cut and then so what you know so what i got tap all the time i don't get that damn you know it's a fascinating aspect of jiu jitsu though that doesn't exist in other martial arts you know like if you kickbox and spar a guy it's not as you know yeah it's like you don't want to be knocked out but i mean it would be the same thing in a way let's say you you're a jiu jitsu guy and you do kickboxing with a guy but that guy will not knock you out he will he will let's say he will do a combo that he will be like you would know like oh that right hand would have knocked

me out if you know it's something jitsu oh i would tap otherwise he would have break my arm yeah a little bit same thing we don't hurt each other jiu-jitsu you can allow to go further without hurting each other and then kickboxing for example where it's striking it can be brain damage yeah that's the hardest is it or i should ask you is that the hardest place to find guys that you're comfortable training with is in striking so you know that they're not trying to knock you out you know you like every day in the gym isn't a war a different i'm gonna tell you is i have many times people try to hurt me and i try to hurt you know like i have no choice you know i mean you know when i first you know now it's different because of the notoriety i have i can find place how i can go and i mean training it's training you know we still go hard there is a smart way

to train of course I don't try to hurt myself when I train and try to hurt people you know but of course let's say I'm training for a fight before a fight and we spar hard if the guy you see you hurt the guy you let him breathe you don't go for the finish but the thing is for example kick to the head we control the kick to the head, things like that. We don't do knees to the head, the elbows, stuff like that. We don't do that. And this is important to have a good training partner like that. Because sometimes you train with someone who's crazy, you're getting ready for a fight, it's a lot of money on the table, he's going to throw, throw, yeah, cut you.

Things like that you don't need to make a name for himself. So now when people ask me, hey, why don't you go train in my gym? It's because sometimes because I go train in the gym, they know who I am. I'm George St-Pierre, and they go, oh, I'm going to try to hurt him to make a name for myself. That sucks, you know. I don't like it. So they're very careful with who I train now. That's the bad side of it because a lot of people try to take advantage and make the name, you know.

And I don't like it, you know and I like to try with different trade partner new guys but now I have to be careful to do it I cannot do it you know I have to you know I have to know where I'm going would tell the guy tell me all this guy can go with him he's good you know I don't care that get tapped out or be dominated that's not what I care is care of being hurt you know or endure not be able to to work you know it's a lot of money when i have a fight i have to cancel it sucks yeah there's always accidental injuries but there's the injuries where you know a guy's trying to hurt you because he's trying to that's got to be really annoying yeah there is guys that how do you say

they they always hurt people and so no i didn't mean it. But why it always happen to you, man? Why it always happen to you? I've got in the gym in Montreal. When I bring my training partner here, like I bring guys to train from my last training camp, bring guys to train for my training camp to mimic Nick Diaz, I tell these guys, I listen, there is this guy, this guy, you're not going to train with him.

Because he's like, and they're all like oh why why why it's like because when every time someone train with you you happen on injuries like yeah but i don't mean it i thought you don't mean him but it's still happening man it's like it's it's that's how you are man i've seen guys kicked out of gyms for that of course of course but some guys it's intentional so guy it's not intentional but even if it's not intentional you don't want to take that chance to do it. You know what I mean? I don't hurt people when I train. Find me a guy that I hurt in training.

It could have happened accidentally once and it was very rare. It's very rare I hurt people, you know, very, very rare. I could if I wanted to. I could. But I don't hurt the people, you know. Yeah, you're there to train. Yes, of course, of course. Yeah, there's a couple guys that I know that people just won't train with.

They just walk away from them. Yeah, they'll say no. No thanks. Because you know the minute you're going to train with them, it's going to be a fight. It's going to be like a real fight. And I'm paid to fight and I don't want to hurt myself in real life, you know? And I don't want to have to hurt someone. I don't want to hurt myself in real life. And I don't want to have to hurt someone. I don't want to put myself in this situation.

You put together a great camp now, though, man. You're going to so many different great guys. John Donaher, who's one of the most underrated or underappreciated jiu-jitsu coaches in MMA, in the world, really. If you look at all the different guys that get famous for coaching jiu-jitsu talked a lot of people about John Donner and they all said the same thing like that guy's a bad motherfucker yeah super smart brilliant in the corner I got I love the advice he gives he's always like on point direct accurate I spread the most I would say likes

brilliant educated man I ever met in my life. Yeah, he's brilliant. Like a lot of people don't know, you know. I believe he is a philosophy major. Yeah, he's a PhD in philosophy. He used to teach philosophy in Columbia University. Before he dropped everything and and and dedicated his life to jitsu and he was bouncing at night in a hip-hop club

oh my god in a hip-hop club can you believe it and apparently he was like big on like weightlifting back then yeah he was a bodybuilder yeah and then he starts doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it that's amazing yeah so you go to him for you jiu-jitsu and henzo Yeah. So you go to him for you, jujitsu and Henzo as well, right? You go to Henzo's? Yes, I go to Henzo. You travel a lot of gyms. Yeah, but I travel, it's a good thing because I have places that no matter, like I come to LA often for business stuff, but when I come to LA, I have the place where I can train in LA, you know, I'm very happy. I have a place where I can train in New York. I go to New York a lot. And Montreal, of course, and France, Paris, France, you know, and it's important, you know. So, everywhere I go, I have a second home

where I can go train there and get better. That was hilarious when you brought that French dude with you on the Ultimate Fighter and he showed up hammered. What is his name again? Jean Charles Skarbowski. Yeah, he's very, very good Muay Thai guy. Very famous Muay Thai kickboxer. And he would party all night and show up to the gym with one of them club cups,

a plastic cup, and there was fucking alcohol in it. He's out of his mind. He shows up, he was drunk and high from the party. He hasn't slept for more than 36 hours. His flight to Paris. Then I thought I made the training when he arrived. I made on purpose. I organized the training for him to come teach the afternoon class,

the late afternoon, not the morning class, because I was thinking, oh, he's going to sleep. No, he arrived from Paris the night before, went out all night, went in an after party, went in an after after party, and arrived straight to training didn't even go to his hotel room and train and kick everyone's ass and muay thai everybody was like what the hell is this and even when they when he left because he stayed for like a week when he left the producer of the of the ultimate fighter came to see me george george we need to

get this guy we need to keep this guy here we need it was it was good tv you know i was like no no he's leaving he has to go back it was making me look bad sometimes you know man it was like it was like giving i know and he's not an imposing looking guy which is amazing when you look at him he's not like a scary looking but he doesn't know anything about him he doesn't think he has no idea who was Chuck Liddell, who was Anderson. He had no idea. He came in the room and he saw those pictures. He was like, who's these guys are? You know, like he knows all those like famous Muay Thai guys,

but MMA doesn't know anything about it. Yeah, he fights Thais. Like he fights in Lumpini Stadium. Yeah, he fought Buakaw, the guy. He cut Buakaw with a spinning elbow in the head, you know. Like he lost that fight, but he took that fight on a short notice like like a few days notice and he was underweight it was yet to gain weight for the weight class he doesn't care he has like he has a courage like crazy

Wow it's weird because you look at the guy you'd never think that guy's a fighter it's amazing character we're surrounded by a lot of character. Kickboxing is much more famous in Europe than it is in America, isn't it? True. I believe the level is higher in Europe. Yeah. Apparently, the glory, though, they're going to start to bring glory to someone. I think they're going to bring it to, Frank Shamrock said, they're going to bring it to CBS Sports.

I don't know what channel that is. I think CBS has a bunch of different channels that they own. But if they start airing those high-level, like Gokhan Saki and Daniel Gita and all these high-level heavyweight guys, that's some wild shit to watch. It's true. It's true. It's going to gonna be interesting you know bring that here yeah it's so funny how like the difference in just like a pure straight up

kickboxing match you know when guys have no worries about being taken down you know and when people say oh like the level of kickboxing in mma is not as high as the level of kickboxing it's a different distance yeah it's different. You cannot compare. Different stance. Look at Alistair Overeem get knocked out by the, what is his name? Antonio Bigfoot. Yeah, Salvo.

But he's a K-1 champion. It's because it's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. I mean, it's easy to adapt when you're a higher level K-1 guy to adapt to MMA timing, but the timing is different. I think Alistair had some issues going into that fight. It could be too. I don't know the inside of it, but I'm just

thinking. He's got a testosterone issue. He's got low testosterone. He tested high for testosterone. He had taken something and now he has low testosterone. Okay, but I mean, it's just an like an example i don't know the the behind behind clothes or what it just didn't look like he had a lot of energy

and bigfoot silva waited until he got tired and just beat the shit out of him that was uh that was a brutal knockout too yeah i remember i was surprised to see that i was like oh my god i was not expecting this bigfoot silva looked awesome. That was an amazing combination, man. I mean, you know, whether Alistair was hurt or not, the combination he leveled him with was devastating. You know, it just, I mean, he was, it was like, it was a lot like, remember Phil Barone and Dave Manet? Remember that knockout? Where Phil Barone had Dave Manet

hit him up against the cage? Oh, that was violent, yes. It was not quite as violent as that. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Oh, he hit him like four times before Manet can even drop. That was violent, yes. It was not quite as violent as that. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Oh, he hit him like four times before Mane can even drop. That was bad, yeah. And Barone could fucking hit. And he's teeing off on him.

Literally, he's keeping him standing with his punches. This Bigfoot one wasn't quite as devastating as that, but it was number two. Yeah, Mane was like bouncing on the felt. Like, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It was like the greatest punching highlight reel knockout, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It was like the greatest punching highlight reel knockout ever, that Baroni-Mene fight.

It's true. It was bad. It was bad. Some of those knockouts you watch are like, ooh. Yeah. When you first lost your title to Matt Serra, that was the first time. Matt, Matt, Matt.

No, no. Matt Serra, yeah. It's true. It's true. When you lost your title to Matt Serra and, you know, and Matt Serra stopped you, you know, that was, was that like, that had to be like the most devastating loss of your career, right? It was, but I learned something valuable that allowed me to survive to Carlos Condit. What was that? When I got hit by Matt Serra, the first punch, it made me very dizzy. And I was so proud.

Like pride, it's a good thing, but it could be a bad thing. I was so proud. I'm a very proud person. So I got wibble, you say in English, right? Wobble. I got wobble. And instead of back off and say, oh, I'm going to go back to my sense, wait that I go back to my sense,

why did I go back to my equilibrium before reattacking? I got wobbled and I got so angry. I was like, I can't believe this guy, because back in the day it was like 5 to 1, 10 to 1, the odds. I was like, I can't believe I got wobbled by a guy like this. Back in the day, I was angry that I got wobbled. I was a proud guy. First time that ever happened in my life. So I wanted to give it back to him as fast as I can. But Massa Ray hit very hard.

So I didn't have any equilibrium. I got wobbled with one shot. Then I tried to jump back into a war with him, into a slugfest with him while I was wobbled, and he wasn't. So I got punched like boom, boom, boom. Then he started to tee off on me, and he wasn't. So I got punched, like boom, boom, boom. Then he started to tee off on me, and then I fall down and I tap. I know I was completely out. If I would have kept going, I would be like, you know, I had to stop.

And thanks God, the referee stopped. But what happened with Carlos Condit, the same situation. I got kicked in the head. Then instead of telling, oh, I need to give it back to him, I followed around. I said, you know what? Yes, I got caught. Then relax. Now it's time to defense, catch up your breath, catch up your senses. Bang, bang, bang. I focus on my defense, my shield, close everything, every opportunity has to hurt me. And then I came back after. So I stepped into my ego a little bit, tried to accept the fact that I got hit,

relaxed, and then I came back later. That's the experience that I gained from that loss with Matt Serra that allowed me to survive Carlos Condit. Oh, interesting. Because Carlos Condit dropped me with that kick. Matt Serra, the first time he cut me, I wobbled, but I didn't drop.

Like I was on my feet. But I tried to get back right into a slugfest with him. Instead of backing up, try to use my footwork, get back to my senses. And that's what happened. I got cut. You know, sometimes you learn during a loss. And that's what happened to me. Matt Serra, by beating me, he helped me become a better martial artist.

The kick, what had you in more trouble? The punch by Matt Serra or the kick by Condit? The kick, I believe, with Condit was harder. It was a bigger kick. The first punch, if you look, the punches of Serra finished me because it was many punches. And I took many punches before I fell. And when I fell, I was too late i was completely the the this dizzy you know but but i should have when i got punched and wobbled because that's already hit very hard and i never seen that punch coming i should have stepped

back and or hold him or go for you know instead of trying to slug fest with him and conduct when i got i got dropped i said to myself okay like don't go back into a because i could go back try to go a single go back up right away i said okay use the guard up up up close close everything and and you know because i was dizzy a little bit too condit you know i didn't see the kick coming at all i follow his body and his kick come on the side and and on the temple he broke damaged my temple artery, by the way. It was a hard kick, man.

Yeah, it looked like a hard kick. I had to go to hospital after and get it fixed, you know? You have to go in 10 minutes? Is that what's going on here? Is that why you guys were having a fucking conversation? What is it?

What's going on? You're not having another interview? Man, what kind of other interview you got? It's boring-ass bullshit is what you got. What do you got to do? It's other PR stuff for the book, I guess.

Ah, the book, PR stuff. So everybody wants to know. And I need to go train too, Joe. Yeah, where are you going to train tonight? Don't tell anybody, man. They're going to go watch you. They have the security. Curves.

You got curves. Do you, like, now that you just beat Diaz, there's a lot of people that are coming up in the 170-pound division. Of course, Johnny Hendricks is the big name and Jake Ellenberger and all these different guys. Do you – at one point in time, there's been a lot of talk at one point in time of you guys getting together and you and Anderson Silva meeting maybe at a catch weight or something like that and fighting in a super fight? Yeah, it's that question everybody asked me. They asked me that even before I came back from my injury, you know. They wanted me, like, I need to do stuff in my division before I think, because it has moved now, so. I know

Silva is fighting Chris Weinman, but I understand Silvay is very big. He's 230 pounds. He's a very big guy walking around, very big. And I'm 190 pounds. He's a lot of weight different. So if this fight happens one day, we're going to have to decide what weight class and everything. But this is, you know, I'm trying to see, figure out what's going to happen, what weight class and everything. But this is, you know, I try to see, figure out what's going to happen,

what weight class and everything. He says he can make 170. If he won't make 170, I wait 170 and he come 170, it's fine. Do you think that's possible? He was fighting back in the day in Japan at 168. That was a long time ago. Yeah, but he was over 25 years old.

Wow. So you think if he just did it slowly over a long time? Yeah. What's the biggest cut you've ever seen? The biggest weight cut? I did or? Anybody that you've ever seen anybody do. I don't do a lot of cuts.

It would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting at 185. I would be more at my weight naturally than at the 155. There's guys at 155 they walk around 190 like me yes i've seen him yeah because they they think i'm big because i have a large frame but i i don't have a i'm not big guy i'm very i'm not thick i'm not thick you know right but uh you know i uh we'll see this fight like i now he's fighting women and like andrix is freaking out they want to fight me so you know we'll see you know what Now he's fighting women, and Hendrix is freaking out. He wants to fight me. We'll see what's going to happen in the future.

What do you think is next? Is it going to be the Hendrix fight? That's not probably Stone. Probably Hendrix. Yeah, that's a big fight. Yeah, but the thing is, there's always going to be a guy that people will say, Oh, this guy is going to beat you after Hendrix. We'll see what's going to happen. Yeah, no, it's a good fight.

It's a fight that a lot of people want to see. And you have a very talent-stacked division. You at the top, and look at how many great contenders there are at 170. Yeah, no, no, it's a tough, it's a very tough division. What's it like walking around with that kind of stress? I mean, you've got like a whole line of trained killers that want to get to the champ. You know, is that a difficult thing to manage? I'm not stressed.

I try to take one fight at a time, you know, and focus on one guy at a time. I have no choice. I cannot split myself in half, you know. And for me, the last two fights were close to each other. And my second fight, the training camp, it was brutal in a way that I didn't have a mental break. Now I need to take a little break mentally to come back stronger after.

Because otherwise I will get tired of what I do. I will not be as good as I could be. But you still train, you still constantly train. All the time, but I train for fun. I don't train for performance, which is different. Like I explained earlier, I train for myself. I'm having a good time. It's fun.

Now, while you're doing this, do you keep up with your jiu-jitsu at all, or do you just do your boxing? No, no, no. I do jiu-jitsu, too. You do everything. Yes, very important. How many hours a day do you train? It depends.

Like now, I'm going to have only maybe one hour and a half. I'm going to train at Freddy, and that's it. It depends on my schedule. Normally, I train twice a week, twice a day, three hours maybe total, like two trainings of an hour and a half. The training itself is maybe 45 minutes, 30 minutes,

the training itself, the talking, the this, the that, the changing, the shout, an hour and a half. Now, are you still doing gymnastics? Yes, I do.

How often do you do that? Once, twice a week now. And you think that's really responsible for a lot of... I like gymnastics and track and field. I do track and field. I run track too. Like sprints and jumps and things along those lines? Yeah, 60, 100s and 400s. And you feel like that's the best kind of exercise for MMA?

Yeah, if I would have started all over again, because back in the day I used to train like an idiot. I was doing bodybuilder and watching movies like Rocky and all this, and Jean-Claude Van Damme, Arnold. I thought that was the thing. Back in the 90s, for my generation, that was the thing. Back in the day where I'm from Canada a mix of martial art and bodybuilding was the best mix it could be you would you're like you say a badass you know I say that then after we

discovered that bodybuilder is not suited for you know mixed martial it's better like do like I was doing more like strength conditioning kind of right then I found out after the strength conditioning, it was better, and non-epic lifting, I think it's better than gymnastic. Do you think it's better for your joints as well? Yes, track and field and gymnastic. If I would have to do, if that's how I would, George, that's how I would have to go back in time,

I would have to tell myself, George, stop all that bodybuilding stuff that you're doing. It's better to do gymn gymnastics and track and field. Is that because you're already a fairly physically strong guy and you're pretty strong from wrestling as well? I'm very strong when I wrestle, when I grab someone like in that strength. But if I lift weight, I'm not very strong.

I bench like, what, two plates and a half maximum. I'm not a very strong bench press. People are like, my God, i'm not very strong i bench like what two plate two plate and a half maximum i'm not very strong bench press people are like my god you're not very strong again i'm i'm not strong at lifting weight when i was a when i was a kid i remember i was in in school in secondary school and everybody the thing was to have a big chest. Every guy wanted to have a big chest. So I remember for years, I used to do bench press, flies, dumbbell. And man, I never had a chest in my life. I never had it. I tried so hard to train for it. I never had volume here.

And it's genetic, man. That's the way it is. So I said, you know what? I'm not going to do it, man. I'm going to do it for Jim. Like, you know, I give up on it. I give up. I have big legs, big butt, big calves.

Say it. You're going to say cock. Say it. You're going to say it. You know what I mean? I don't have chest, man. I try to work, but it's one of these things that, you know, I give up on it, man. I give up. Well, you could always do what Tommy Morrison did, get breast implants.

Did you see that? Yeah, but there's a lot of ways that I can use to have chest, you know. Have you seen that, the Tommy Morrison breast implants? No, I don't. Remember Tommy Morrison, the boxer? The guy that had the AIDS? He had the AIDS? Is that him? Yes. He has a disease, right? He had the AIDS? Is that him?

Yes. He has a disease, right? He has a disease. Yes, yes. Okay, I heard that. He also got breast implants. Oh, really? Yeah, pull that up, Brian.

Pull that up. Tommy Morrison breast implants. Why am I doing this? Okay, here's why, folks. Because if there's a guy out there that's thinking about getting breast implants and I can talk them out of it, I got to do my job. You got to see this. Take a look at this fucking picture. This is Tommy Morrison.

He has, pulling it up. Yeah. I'm going to hit the switch. Is this it? Yes. Look at that. Oh, man. That's not good, man.

Yeah. Oh, man. That's not that good, man. That's hilarious. Wow. Yeah. Don't do that. That's what I'm saying, folks.

Anybody, to anybody, please listen to me. Is there an unauthorized biography of you as well? Yes, there is. Who the fuck wrote that? I don't know. It's sad. You know, my parents are very nice people. They talk.

They're from countryside. They're always very respectful to everybody. And this guy, apparently, he called up my mom and my dad. My dad is an old, nice guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. He answered all their questions. And I told my parents, like, stop answering questions that people call like this, man, because it's a little bit naive.

They don't know this thing. So I say, stop talking naive. They don't know this thing. So I say stop talking to people you don't know. So some asshole just wrote a book based on that? Yes, he did. But it's a bad book. He only talks about my fights. He basically describes my fight. He doesn't say anything personal. He doesn't know me. So it's not a real unauthorized biography. No, no,ize progress the real one is the way of the fight it's available on Amazon you can go buy it right now it's available in bookstores Kindle yeah you can get it on a Kindle you can get it on

audible.com can you get an audible are you talking it is so you know no it's me yeah I start doing I start doing it when I when I had my ACL surgery. That's how I started writing down stuff. But I didn't write all the words myself. It's in English. I don't write in English. But it's made with someone I needed. So you don't write in English at all?

You just speak it? Yeah, I write in English, but I would not write a book in English because it has been made in English first, then in French. So his name is just thinking Lee was a friend of mine who wrote it who wrote the book for me but I took stuff that I say and in my notes stuff that I write myself in French he speak both languages by name so he switched it to the book oh so you switched it yeah it's not a biography it's not about an MMA but it's not a book for MMA.

It's a book for more general public. What's it all about? It's about the tactic that I use to start where I come from and to be world champion. I find myself goals and drills, the repetition, and I keep doing every day. So that's what the book is about? Yeah, it's more philosophical stuff. It's more a philosophical book. It has nothing to do with MMA. It talks about

MMA, but it's like people that like it normally, it's people... Because it not has been written by an MMA guy. The guy who written, he doesn't know nothing about MMA. Even the MMA people, sometimes they might read it and say, the terms are... Sometimes little mistake we correct in the future that it was misunderstood.

But it's a book about philosophy and the mindset of someone where I come from and how I became successful from my experience. Well, George, you're a bad motherfucker. You're a cool guy. It's always great to talk to you. Thank you, Joe. I'm glad to be a friend and it was uh one of the coolest things in my life is being able to teach you uh throw a turning sidekick the fact that you would even listen to me when i tell you that i had a good

one you know i'm gonna do it in a fight one that i promise you i promise i'm not comfortable enough we're gonna do soon well let's tighten it up man let me let me give you some drills i got some drills for it that can uh that can definitely help you out, help you increase accuracy. We'll do it tomorrow. We'll train tomorrow. For sure, man. Love you, buddy.

Thank you, man. Thank you very much, my friend, and best of luck to you in the future. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of this abbreviated episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast. Thanks to Hover. Go to hover.com forward slash Rogan. Get 10% off your domain name registrations thanks

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