The Joe Rogan Experience - #356 - Dan Hardy

Episode Date: May 8, 2013

Dan Hardy is an English mixed martial arts fighter, who has fought previously in the UFC, as well as for Cage Force and Cage Warriors.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Powerful Dan Hardy. What's up, buddy? How are you, man? Thanks for coming by, man. I'm very excited to have this conversation with you. And the internet has been a buzz, you know?

Yeah, yeah. It's been something. You're a misunderstood dude, man. Am I? Yeah, I think so. A lot of people, especially seeing your trash talking and hyping up the GSP fight and knocked a fake tan off you. People would think that you're an asshole. You're not an asshole at all.

You're a super chill guy. I don't think I've ever been around you and felt like, wow, that Zan Hardy's just too much. I've got to get the fuck away from him. You're really easy to get along with. You're a very friendly guy. You just are really good at talking shit when it comes down to fight time and pissing people off. And that really is something that people have to understand.

There's a pageantry involved in promoting a fight and in fucking with someone's head that you're going to fight. And people don't like it when other people are better at that aspect of fighting you know they get mad people get mad if you can talk mad shit about them if they're not good at talking shit back ah they go into the fight with it like a deficit already yeah it's kind of crazy it's it it was the culture i was brought up in though you know like like you know banter between teammates at rough house is pretty much bullying i mean it gets pretty serious like to

where i'm sure some of the guys go home and cry after the sessions you know so it's just kind of a natural thing for me and then when somebody bites a little bit to a comment that i made i can't help myself it's too much fun that's it's very english is very similar to boston in that way boston has that same like you know real and insulting style to the trash talk within sports teams and athletes and it's just part of the whole thing and some people don't like it and i could get that i i get that there's some people want that zen state Zen state Anderson Silva approach where you just go in. But people forget about Anderson Silva in Abu Dhabi. They forget when he was fighting with Damian Maia, calling him all kinds of shit in Portuguese.

He was fucking with that dude's head while he was lighting him up. You know? Yeah. That's even crazy trash talk. The trash talk that goes on while you're kicking someone's ass. I remember watching him fight in Lee Murray. i was at the side of the cage about fighting and the tony frickland one oh dude you were there for that yeah oh my god the people who haven't seen anderson silva became anderson silva when he went to japan and when he went to england

like but england was really where it all came together for him. Japan, he got some good fights, but he had some losses. The Rio Chonin flying heel hook. He had some good fights. Who's that kid who was calling him Alex Stiebling? The kid who was calling himself the Brazilian killer? Remember, they all got pissed off at him. Anderson, he beat him.

He caught him with a high kick. And then he knocked out Carlos Newton. That was probably his most spectacular fight over there yeah but he yeah and it was after Carlos dominated him on the ground Carlos is very good very advanced at that time like he had like the most advanced ground game of guys that were fighting in high level and he had Anderson down he had mounted him and it did not look like Anderson was getting up um but I think they gave him a yellow card or something like that I don't know how they got stood back up again I don't know what happened but they got stood back up again and bang he hit him with a flying knee and knocked him out and it was after that he he like he got his footing with

a couple of good fights but it wasn't until he went to England and fought in cage rage that that's when he became Anderson Silva he was so comfortable it was yeah i really felt watching the lee murray fight that he could have stopped at any any point you know he really just kind of torturing him a little bit and beating him up yeah he was tough he was beating the fuck out of lee murray yeah he was fucking his legs up man and you know and murray is tough as shit yeah he hung in there man the entire time stabbed like 38 times or something yeah and was training six weeks later he made a video about him hitting the mitt six weeks later if people don't know who we're talking about this guy is like really a legitimate folklore type character

he's a guy richie movie character yeah he and he's almost greater than a guy richie character because you would never believe a guy richie character really could be like a top mma fighter and also one of the greatest armed robbery suspects in the history of the universe no no it's pretty crazy i remember sitting in traffic on the way to cage rage i had paul daly in the car and uh like stuck in traffic but not far from the arena and lee murray just racing up the hard shoulder and he's in his uh I think he was a BMW or something. Like 70 miles an hour. He was crazy.

Did you see him falling out with Matt Lindland after that fight? Lindland fought a cage rage, and they brought Murray in to kind of hype up a fight between the two. I didn't see that. Yeah, Lee Murray was like, you're a fucking monkey. You look like a fucking monkey. And Matt Lindland was just, he didn't even think it was real. It was pretty hilarious. Lee Murray's like throwing stuff at him and matt linland was just he didn't even think it was real it was

it was pretty hilarious lee murray's like throwing stuff at him well he was real yeah he just really was that crazy yeah there's every now and then a dude comes along like that yeah you know we're lucky that he didn't come along in like like the dark ages you know what i mean i mean he would have i'm sure there were people like him though though. Fuck yeah, there were! That guy would have had, like, the scariest gang ever. Back when there was, like, very little rules. You could have swords and shit. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, he'd have run like a bunch of outlaws in a forest.

You gotta think, man. That time in our lives for the human race, that wasn't only like a thousand years ago. That's not that long ago, man. It's like... Medieval. Yeah, that's not that long ago man it's like medieval yeah that's not that long ago that's so so recent the dna is still there public beheadings yeah and every now and then you get some straight lineage type shit you get a dude who just has basically barbarian genes and he's walking amongst regular folks here in 2013 he just he's not playing by any rules he's

got no rules he's just going for it until he hits a wall just full clip until he hits a wall it's it's important to know that it's possible that a guy like that could exist yeah and people get romantic about it and upset but you could not get upset about it today you can not get romantic about it today you could you know say oh upset about it today you can not get romantic about it today you could you know say oh you know you're glorifying something that you're glorifying something pathetic you know what if this guy inspires other kids to live that way okay but make no mistake about it a hundred years from now it's going to be an awesome story okay 200 years ago when you're not connected yeah from now like when we're not connected to it emotionally it's

going to be an awesome story but we we study these people now, though. I mean, look at like Bronson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of folks don't know that documentary, the Bronson documentary. It was really weird. Chopper was really weird, too. Yeah, but they're those kind of people. Yeah.

Like, Lee Murray's got to have a movie made about him or something. Oh, fuck yeah. Unquestionably. And he could fucking fight, man. He could fight. Yeah. I saw him fight Amir Renovatiquestionably and he could fucking fight man he could fight yeah i saw him uh fight amir renovati yeah starched him man like i mean it was so ruthless his right hand was fucking nasty he was really really sharp striker really powerful guy i mean he wasn't like the most technical guy which is where anderson picked him apart yeah you know he was such fast hands. He was very fast and very confident.

Very confident. You know, it took a guy like Anderson to sort of pick him apart. A guy who just was clearly... Anderson's on some other... He's on some next level in, like, every department. Yeah. He's on some next level physical shit.

He's on some next level mental shit. He's on some next level confidence shit. He's on some next level success shit. He really feels like he's magic. He feels like he can go in there and just do shit to people but he can he can and he does you're right so he's like that it takes a guy like that to do that to a guy like lee murray yeah you know a guy like when when you see anderson like at his best it's one of the weirdest things because you can't believe a guy can do what he just did. When he fucked up, when we were there in Brazil and he fought Stefan Bonner, dude, that was like I was watching a movie. It was like the guy just put his back to the cage and let him tee off on him and then brought him back in, got to the center and brought him right back in, puts his hands down, stands right in front of him.

And then when he decides to strike, throws him to the ground and buries him with one knee. And you're like, Jesus. But it was like the Forrest Griffin fight, though. He'd been baiting him to overextend on his punches all the way through the round. And then as soon as he did it and crossed his feet, that was surreal. Yeah, he's a master. He's a real master. It's kind of an honor to be around witnessing it live. Yeah, I agree.

It's an honor to be able to call it, for sure. It's really shocking. His abilities are very shocking. But, you know, one day we're going to look back at him and we're going to look at some new guy. Just the way people used to look at Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jr. Sugar Ray Robinson was amazing, but I think Roy Jones Jr. in his prime would have lit him up like a Christmas tree.

I don't think he would have even been able to fuck with him. He wouldn't have been able to find him. But then look at Mayweather. As much as I dislike the guy. Yeah, beautiful boxer. Beautiful. Roy, the problem with Roy was all that John Ruiz fight. He went up in weight and won the heavyweight fight.

That documentary was good, though. Did you watch it? What is it? The documentary about him. I trained him for that. Oh, no. He went up in weight and won the heavyweight fight. That documentary was good, though. Did you watch it? What is it? The documentary about his training for that. Oh, no. No, I didn't. It was really interesting. He got this little old white dude doing all his strength and conditioning.

Wow. Oh, was it Mackie Shillstone? Is that his name? Mackie Shillstone is the guy. Let me see. I'll pull it up. I recognize that name. He's the guy who trained Spinks, Michael Spinks,

for his heavyweight fights with Larry Holmes, and then again for Tyson, I think. Huh. Yeah. I remember watching, it was one of the HBO shows, one of the HBO shows with Roy Jones preparing for a fight, and it was when I was training at Legends, and there was this shot where he was training to run DMC and he's like doing his shadow box into the rhythm of the music so I was immediately downloaded run DMC and started doing it at the gym

yeah he worked with Roy Jones yeah he was he was an interesting character well it's interesting because what happened was then Roy, he looked spectacular in the Ruiz fight, but then he drops down to fight Antonio Tarver. He has to lose a lot of weight because he's a 205 pound, 206 pound guy now. I mean, he was a small heavyweight, but I think he still got above 200 pounds, which to drop all the way the fuck down to 175 again that is a big deal it is it's way easier to talk your body into getting bigger than it is to talk your body into getting smaller yeah like you have to fucking starve yourself especially in a sport like boxing where you've got to you

know continuously work for a long period of time yeah he looked completely different in that fight physically like his body looked deflated you knowting weight like that, it just ruined him. And then he got knocked out by Tarver, and then he got knocked out again, even scarier, by Glenn Johnson. And those fights, I think, a direct result of him weakening himself to drop down to 175 pounds, or a direct result also of whatever the fuck he took to get up to 200 plus pounds not being in

his system anymore and his system crashes which is what happens especially if you're like in your late 30s and you're a pro athlete who's getting head trauma on a regular basis those are all things designed to lower your testosterone all those things you know it's almost like nature has it set up like you can only get hit in the head so many times for it just okay looking slow the fuck down bitch jesus christ like literally slows down your testosterone from head trauma it's like we got to figure out a way to stop getting hit in the head and maybe this asshole is just too aggro nature doesn't know that you got a fucking fighting career to think about. Yeah, I hated watching him fight Kawasaki. Yeah, did you?

I don't particularly like Kawasaki either, and it was just rough to watch. He's a shell of himself. He's a shell of himself. I don't think Kawasaki could have hung with Roy when Roy was in his prime. When Roy fought Vinny Pazienza, it was the first fight ever recorded where the opponent did not land a single punch. He went through a whole round boxing with vinnie pazienza when pazienza was in his prime and pazienza swinging for fucking fences and getting nothing for a whole round wow i mean that's insane you're you're in the you're both

punching and this guy hits you 60 times you hit him zero that's insane we should get anderson silver to break that record like number of punches missing around or something what you need with an anderson silva you're gonna need a roy jones type dude to beat anderson silva yeah you're gonna need a guy who's got that kind of but with muay thai yeah those guys are out there man they're out there they just got to put it together we all knew, like, you came up doing martial arts like a good portion of your life, right? So you must have went to, like, karate tournaments and saw, like, those few young kids that weren't super talented where everybody was like, God damn. But sometimes they never come to fruition. You know, they never become the martial arts legends that they could have been.

In my experience with that, though, people that find it that easy and pick it up that quickly you usually lose interest isn't that weird yeah it's kind of frustrating there's only a very few that stick with it yeah and that's when you get someone like anderson silver or john jones or john jones yeah there's those guys who have that the lethal combination of like dedication and that freak skill and freak bodies man so people can do some freak shit yeah yeah there's certain dudes they're like john jones can do some freak shit to people you know like he can you know he's spinning elbows people in the head he's giant you can't get a hold of him he out wrestles everybody limbs though isn't it i can't imagine i can't imagine throwing any strike at him that wouldn't hit something sharp

doesn't yeah it'd be like kicking a bag of wrenches yeah he's fucking scary right dude is scary right now he's on this next level scary shit right now where he's just just like so confident just decides to maul chill son and he's like 15 i think he's just turned 24 or 25. I'm getting old, man. Yeah, well, it is a young man's game. It is. What is this condition that pulled you out of your next fight? The wolf heart thing. What is it called? Is that like a baboon heart?

Yeah, yeah, it's exactly the same, yeah. What does it mean? It's called Wolf Parkinson White Syndrome, but I don't have the syndrome because I've never had any symptoms i only have pattern which means that i have a second heartbeat but it's not never caused a problem you have a second heartbeat yeah well basically uh you know in the center of your heart you've got like the regular pacemaker it's a bunch of skills that a bunch of cells that um you know they create electrical impulse to to keep the heart beating. And with WPW, people have other cells in the upper parts of the heart that do the same thing.

And usually what they would do is they go in, it's called an ablation, they kind of go into the femoral artery and they can burn them out and stuff. But people have that done when they have, like, symptoms, you know, when they have, like, palpitations and dizziness and, like, people have panic attacks and stuff, I've never had anything, nothing at all. So what they're telling me at the moment, I mean, I've got to go back and get some more tests done for, like, a second opinion with a different person. But basically, the way I understand it right now is if I want to continue fighting to get cleared,

I have to have the ablation. But because I've never had any symptoms and I'm perfectly fine, it right now is if i want to continue fighting to get cleared i have to have the ablation but because i've never had any symptoms and i'm perfectly fine i don't see the point in letting someone go and start burning my shit and yeah that doesn't sound that sounds like something they were probably not going to do in five years yeah you know they're going to go well back when we used to go in there and burn it out we realized that's actually a mistake yeah that was actually you know the human body figured it out and everything was cool and running smooth and we were being ridiculous yeah i mean if it was causing a problem right and and that's the solution then i would

have it done but it's not so their concern is that if they license you and this this is a potential issue a health issue well there was there was that soccer player a few years ago i think he played for like chelsea or something and he had a heart attack on the pitch and died he was like 28 really um and basically the problem is that the the main heart rate can only go up to about 220 beats a minute but the secondary cells that that produce the second heart rate or the heartbeat is that's limitless that can go to to whatever so it you know like if i'm at 12 minutes into the fight and i'm you know full of adrenaline and completely exhausted and my heart rate can't keep up there's a potential for the other one to kind of take over oh and it can give you a heart

attack yeah but but it but you know the chances decrease after 25 and the chance of it happening is like 0.6%. So, you know. Well, you also have like a really low resting heart rate. Yeah, 42. That's very low. It was when I got the tests. Michael Bisping's is like 34. Yeah.

That's insane. That's incredible, man. He doesn't have to feed his brain though, don't forget. Oh, no, you didn't. Bisping knows I'm kidding. He might have, like, the lowest working heart rate, you know, the resting heart rate of anybody in the UFC. Yeah.

That's pretty impressive. That's work. You only get that from work. He's that kind of guy, though. He's always, like, switched on, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's a fit motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. It's very that's a fit motherfucker yeah yeah it's in

it's very interesting what you said about like natural talent and then the guys with natural talent it's oftentimes they're the ones who for whatever reason don't work as hard well bisping was bisping was that guy that had the talent and yeah he's just a natural fighter his whole family are just tough guys yeah um i mean i started training with Mike before he even had his first fight. And I was training with his coach. And his coach had actually invested money in, like, bringing him down to Nottingham to train. Because he was a DJ at the time. I don't know whether most people know this, but he was DJ Mikey B.

And, you know, he was, like, in that, you know, the dance and the rave scene. And he was, you know, all that kind that you know the the dance and the rave scene and he was you know all that kind of stuff the glow sticks and shit um yeah so so my instructor like like bought him a car and brought him down to nottingham and like fed him and stuff with the intention of of making him an mma star wow because he had this natural ability and he is he's just a tough guy he's a very tough guy you know you knock that knock that dude out, he gets up, and he's like, I want a rematch. Yeah. Like, immediately.

Yeah. It's pretty interesting. That guy doesn't lose any steam if he loses. No. Like, he just goes back to the drawing board, dusts himself off, heals up, and has exactly the same style the next fight. Even better. He's got a sprinkler in that barbarian in him.

Yeah. Fuck him. There's a lot of that shit out there, man lot of that barbarian blood it's out there so um what are you gonna do now well uh i'm gonna go back and get some some more tests done lorenzo has a special cardiologist that he wants me to go and see so i'm gonna get that done and uh just kind of see what my options are i don't i don't see the point in having a surgery done if i if i have to have it done to carry on fighting it seems scary it just seems pointless to me especially because you know like is it risky well the problem is that they don't know whereabouts in my heart it is oh jesus they gotta go look they're gonna look for it so they

didn't say they could fix it they said they want to study it they want to study it study it and they wanted to study this four weeks before the fight. So they wanted me to go in and have something put up the inside artery of both my legs and one into my neck. So they can go in and try and find it. They put you under while you're doing this? I don't think so. Oh, what the fuck is that, Dan Hardy? Like an experiment.

How is that possible? You're just lying there? I think so, yeah. That's not cool. Yeah. That is so not cool. So the guy was like, oh, so we'll do that, and if we can find it, we can fix it, and then you'll be able to, you know, take a week off and then go back to training.

Who the fuck thinks you can just chill while they send these, like, wire worms up your arteries to peek inside your fucking heart? My dad said he had to get that thing up his penis hole when he turned a certain age. I think it's 60. You have to get that in your penis. Definitely. But I've had people tweeting me and stuff and they're like,

you know, my six-year-old had it done. Stop being such a pussy. Oh, how dare you. We have more time. There's people that just can't wait to be cunty, Dan Harding. And you've got to feel sorry for them. I'm like a magnet for them. Yeah, of course.

Of course. You're a brash young man. You talk a lot of shit. And that's one of the things that people like about it. It generates interest. You know how much hate Chael Sonnen must get? All day, every day. All day, every day.

His Twitter must be a mess. Yeah, but he's got the bank account to match it though so it's all yeah well so that's what that's the problem with me you know yeah he really talked himself into uh some great situations yeah he's he's the best shit talker ever he's exciting to watch like i love like interviewing him at a weigh-in because i know he's gonna say some crazy shit yeah that's that's the kind of shit that's gonna go down in history fuck yeah i always remember one line he said when he was preparing for uh anderson i'm not sure which time it was and he said he is the champion but i am the best yeah that's a great line yeah you know

i just i want to use that every day at some point yeah i mean and he's so good even after he loses in selling another fight like that yeah just think about what happened the dude got starched by anderson silva and then he says you know what anderson silva is only the beginning i'm gonna go after the light heavyweight champion and like all of a sudden he's fighting the light heavyweight champion i mean he goes from losing a shot at the middleweight belt to fighting for the light heavyweight belt yeah and you know that's impressive yeah it was and dana's like he's the one who asked for that fight like i understand that he is a politician yeah i understand that he's the one that asked for that fight but that's uh i mean you got to respect the guy's ability to sell shit i mean he can sell a fucking pay-per-view man i mean the

dude just lost to anderson silva and there was white people all over the world convinced that he had a shot. Yeah, yeah. There was white people all over the world that was looking forward to him winning. He's such a – what a character. What a funny, smart guy. He's the kind of guy that could knock on your door at like 8 a.m., and you wake up out of bed all tired and shit and then the next time you close the door and you bought three vacuum cleaners.

Yeah, no kidding, man. But he can fight too, man. He can fight. It's just, he ran into two buzz saws. Two of the

greatest fighters of the generation. Anderson, I mean, look what he did to Anderson in the first fight. You can't take that away from him. Even if Anderson was injured,

that was an incredible performance. He was minutes away from winning the title. He fucked up in that final round. But he was real close. Do you think he carries that with him, though? Do you think that... Well, it's hard to say he doesn't. It's harder to say he doesn't than to say he does.

Because to say he does, you get all this evidence. The Paulo Filho fight, this fight. you get all this evidence the paul of filio fight this fight but the the other thing is he's first of all he's just playing at a real high level and this kind of shit happens you're at a real fucking high level yeah and if you you look at how it happens in every other fight it happened in a way that sort of makes sense to him like anderson silva caught him with a triangle that sort of makes sense to him he missed Anderson Silva caught him with a triangle. That sort of makes sense to him. He missed that spinning back fist, and he got caught. That sort of makes sense.

But the Jon Jones fight didn't make any sense. The Jon Jones fight was a mauling. Jon just took him down and mauled him, and I think that was, like, the most disappointing for him. Yeah. Because he's a very good fighter, man. If you look at the way he submitted Bryan Stan, you know, that's a scary dude. Chael Sonnen's a beast. chel sun is a beast oh yeah but but those a guys are just a step better and that's what it is it's just a step better that's all they need to be so so what's your opinion on uh on uh

fighters accusing each other using steroids well i think um we we both know that in every sport in the world where there's money involved, people are going to do everything they can in order to be victorious. No doubt. That is just the way it is. There are people who hold principle higher than they hold money. And I know for a fact I had a long conversation with John Fitch once about it. And John Fitch, I guarantee that guy never used anything ever. For him, it had a long conversation with John Fitch once about it. And John Fitch, I guarantee you that guy never used anything, ever. For him, it was a principle issue. But that's not everybody.

We both know it's not everybody. A lot of guys have used stuff. A lot of guys have used stuff and they've said, well, you know, I'm just trying to get over an injury. And I'm just going to use it to get over this knee injury. Yeah, that too. You're doing that too but also look you get you realize when you're around a certain around a certain amount of like really strong wrestler type dudes you go okay there's nothing i can do to keep this guy off me i gotta get

fucking stronger period if i want to stay in this game i gotta get stronger i don't know how the fuck he got that strong but i gotta get stronger and it's really hard to get stronger naturally quick naturally the shit takes years you know it takes like four or five years to put on a good 20 pounds of like real raw muscle or we can do it this way and everybody's doing it and then you go okay everybody's doing it you can't you go, okay, everybody's doing it. People can kind of justify it to themselves because other people are doing it. It's like everybody enables each other. Yeah, I don't think – I think there's certainly an issue and there's certainly a discussion to be had.

And especially for testosterone replacement therapy. That's a big one. That to me is a big one because that one, for a lot of folks who don't know, like young fighters in their early 30s even, even some guys younger than that take testosterone, which is really kind of crazy. Your body should be producing testosterone in healthy quantities like deep into your 30s. It starts to drop off when you start hitting 40 if you're like but very slowly yeah but very small numbers yes and if

you're if you're fit and if you're you're eating healthy and if you know you're sleeping right you should be okay so when you find guys that are like 30 and they're taking testosterone replacement therapy okay what are you doing? Because what you're doing right now is you're putting testosterone into your body that doesn't exist. So does it not exist because you've been hit too many times, which we both know is also a real possibility. In fact, this guy, Dr. Mark Gordon, who worked with James Toney, he's done a lot of work on that, showing how traumatic brain injury to both soldiers and people who do extreme sports. The traumatic brain injury has a significant impact on your body's ability to produce testosterone.

So I could knock the testosterone out of somebody. Well, I don't think – Like a little girl. Joe Sondland is picking that line up. It's not a situation where it happens in one night. It's a situation where you're beating yourself up. I've never fought an MMA fight, but I've watched you guys train, and I see the amount of hours that it takes in a day to do a real proper six-week camp. And for folks who don't know, it's insane. It's insane. that it takes in a day to do a real proper six-week camp.

And for folks who don't know, it's insane. It's insane. It's fucking madness. Yeah, it is. And I think some guys think the only way they can get through that is with some help. Yeah. Because if you don't get through that, then what are you going to do when you get in there with a guy like GSP when you know he has gone through that? You're like, well, fuck.

You're doomed. You're going to keep up with him for a little bit, but eventually he's going to steamroll you. There's just no getting around it. If you don't do what everybody else is doing, how can you compete? Unless they dress like an alien with GSP.

Oh, with GSP. GSP has a thing about aliens. He's terrified of aliens. I wonder if he hates fighting dudes with alien wear on their trunks. What if it was just alien wear the whole time just a big marketing scam Alienware sponsored a lot of fighters you know maybe TSP has a deal you can't have them wear that thing on their pants they wear that thing to scare me no no have you rewatched that-watch it it's so amazing it's amazing he's awesome i love that guy he's awesome that was a beautiful interview man it really was he's a guy

who uh he's he's like kept his humility better than any champion i've ever seen yeah it's amazing i've been up to montreal a couple of times to work with him and uh well the first time i went up there i didn't know how they were going to receive me you know because obviously you know i did say a few things about people in this camp during during the preparation and uh not the fake tan on the line was fucking outstanding thank you um yeah so i i they asked me to go up for a week to spar with him and i thought they were just going to take me and kind of beat me up a little bit and throw me out and me to go up for a week to spar with him, and I thought they were just going to take me in to kind of beat me up a little bit and throw me out. But I was up for it anyway.

It was going to be an experience. And when I got there, everyone was really cool. Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. It was really cool. And GSP is by far the most humble and deserving champion I've ever met. Weird, right? Yeah.

There's no one like him when it comes to MMA champions. He's a sweet guy, real nice to people. And he handles it really well, his lifestyle, because obviously he gets a lot of attention all the time, and it's exhausting. And he still, no matter how much attention he has, he's still the same guy. He doesn't fall into it.

That's a real issue with folks. They fall into that. They get caught up. It was kind of funny going up there the first time because I still had a mohawk the first time. And, like, he goes out, like, most nights. He, like, loves to be out in clubs and stuff. He doesn't drink and any of that. But, obviously, you can imagine how much attention he gets in Montreal.

Right. So he's walking through the club and everybody, like, looks over and, like, staring at him. And then they notice me behind him and they're're like, they're looking confused on their face. Like, we got hoodwinked. These motherfuckers like each other. That's funny, man. That's funny. Yeah, you know, it all trickled down from the top.

That Firasahabi guy, that's a smart dude. He is. That's a very, very smart dude. Very clever. And the way he runs his show is no bullshit. farasahabi guy yeah that's a smart dude he is that's a very very smart dude very clever and uh the way he runs his show is no bullshit you know and john danaher as well fuck yeah people don't talk about this guy you're right you're right in the hotel that i was staying at my room was opposite his so like he was the last person i'd see before like before i like heading to bed at night and we stood and had long conversations in the corridor the guy's fascinating and really really strange really really strange and really really fascinating yeah um i went to

we went to dinner with him me him and eddie bravo uh like a denny's or some shit like that and we just broke down the universe together john donahue is a beast he's amazing so so fucking smart yeah yeah and that's actually how i went that's how i wound up up doing Taekwondo with George and teaching him how to throw the turning sidekick correctly. It's from John Donaher. Donaher was asking me if I knew any high-level Taekwondo guys that can teach George the proper mechanics of the spinning backkick. And I felt like such an asshole saying, yeah, I can judge that, right? It sounds like such a Hollywood douche move like oh yeah you know you're gonna teach George fucking Saint Pierre how to throw a kick but to his credit he

actually listened to me like I couldn't believe he tried it you know because I wouldn't have listened to me I'd be like yeah bitch all right I'll go watch you kick a bag fucking fruitcake. Fucking actor weirdo. But George was super humble and eager to learn. He's a really unusual dude. It's weird how many different... The way people perceive MMA fighters or even jiu-jitsu athletes or kickboxers, the way people perceive people who compete in combat sports and the way they really are is so different. My favorite people, some of my favorite people of all time

that I've ever met have been fighters because there's something about the type of character that you need to have to be able to test yourself in such an extreme environment. Like that's a rare quality. It's a very rare quality. And there's – some people mistake it with being a barbaric thing because they think that somehow or another we should not be violent because violence is bad. And even though it's a competition and they both agree to do it and they can be respectful it still

seems like it's anti-societal yeah but they don't understand they do this they just haven't experienced anything like really intense themselves and known that there's only one way to develop like real character and have confidence in that real character you're gonna put yourself in fire yeah and and that's why that's why a lot of MMA fighters are interesting people. Yeah. Because, I mean, you know, after a certain amount of time of being in the gym and being so focused on yourself, you become very self-aware. Yeah. And then, you know, usually from that comes a lot of self-confidence and, you know, just being very comfortable in different environments, which usually means you stand out because you, you know, you kind of put that out there when you walk into a room.

And you're not worried about physical confrontation anymore, so you calm down. But you also don't feel like you have anything to prove either. Exactly. And that's the real issue with a lot of guys is the need to prove dominance, the need to prove. But guys who have had martial arts backgrounds, they don't have that need. They can chill. They can relax. They're way easier to be around.

Yeah. Like, I've never seen shit start up between, like, maybe Brazilian dudes have. Maybe some Brazilian dudes have jumped each other. Yeah. I was watching a video the other day, and Vandale Silva was in it. It was two guys fighting in the dressing room. Yeah, Vandale Silva and Charles Crazy Horse Bryant. No, no, no.

It was two other guys, and, like, Vandale was cornering one of them. Oh, yeah. That was Cristiano Marcelo. In a triangle. Yeah, he got him in a triangle and put him to sleep. But it was Charles Crazy Horse Bryant. And Crazy Horse actually got up, the legend is, and sucker punched Vandele and knocked him out cold.

And it was right before Vandele was supposed to fight Ricardo Arona. Yeah. And Vandele literally got knocked out, got woke up, and that sent out to this is if you're going to believe Charles Crazy Horse Brian, which I wonder if he's telling the truth man, because he crazy horse was nuts and he could knock a motherfucker out. He had a serious punch. Crazy horse could punch fucking hard enough to easily knock on 185 pounder if he sucker

punched him. Did you ever see that fight where he tore that stuffed bear apart in the corner? Yeah. Well, he would get to the top of the cage and do backflips off the top of the cage. He was like the first dude doing that. Or like sit on the corner post. Yeah, just jump up and sit up there during the fight. He would sucker punch guys like in the middle of a round just wham and that and just knock him out cold with like a punch that you don't think should

land head full of gold teeth yeah and a balaclava when he's doing his interviews for pride none of that but when he was fighting mashima and he was calling him mishimash yeah just his eyes showing and gold teeth yeah and he who was the fighter that while the referee is reading the instructions, he's like mugging to the camera with his big giant smile and gold teeth? He was another character right out of a fucking movie. Yeah, yeah, he was. Constantly getting arrested. I hung out with that dude.

Me and him and Eddie Bravo hung out with him and his girlfriend. We watched some fights together. It was when K-1 did an event in, I think it was when uh k1 did an event in i think it was k1 did an event in hollywood in uh in some soccer stadium some outdoor stadium and just by chance we sat right next to each other i had a great time with that dude that dude was hilarious we were just laughing at everything he was he's he's a wild motherfucker it's kind of cool sometimes when you get get exposed to one of those people just for a few hours. I had a car journey from Hollywood to Temecula and back with Mayhem.

Yeah. And it was one of the most high-speed, scariest rides I've ever been on. He's sitting in the driver's seat with a shirt with guns all over it and a big chain with a gun on it, sunglasses on. He's just speeding. And every now and then he's he's like police tracker thing will beep and he'll like hit the brakes like swerving in and out and talking 100 miles an hour like and it's like two hours from there isn't it so i have four hours of that as well as a training session in the middle i was exhausted by the time i got you're lucky to be alive i needed like three days i hung out with clay guida one weekend in Chicago, and he took me to my show.

He insisted on taking me to my show. So it was me and him and Eddie Bravo, and Clay Guida was driving. Clay Guida drives like he fights. He drives exactly like he fights. Probably like man. Just sitting there going, whoa. I trust him. I think he knows what he's doing.

Oh, Sam Tripoli. I just got back from driving with him. Oh, no. You let Sam drive? He is the scariest man. He's just, like, sideswiping cars while texting and talking on the phone. Oh, you let him text and drive? He was just out of control.

It was so funny, man. I was scared out of my mind. That's fucking bad, man. I know. And I gave him my car to drive up to San Francisco. I was like, I didn't know how bad it was. And then when I was up there, I was like, oh, shit, he has to drive home. And I was like, oh, please, Tony, just please drive most of the time.

Oh, that's hilarious. So they drove your car up? Yeah, and back. Oh, wow. God damn, that's a long ride. How much is a Southwest flight? It's like $100. You're a cheap fucks no it was like i had to i spent like 500 hours round trip for for going up there

for some reason i don't know if it was because of a single de mayo or whatever probably right they jack up rates yeah when chile goes and southwest doesn't go direct to uh san francisco they don't no it's not weird that weird? Yeah. That's crazy. I know they go to San Jose. Yeah. That's not far from San Francisco. You could do San Jose and then you drive

for like 30 minutes. Well, I was going to do Oakland but you have to take that stupid thing underneath the ocean. I was like, you've already scared me enough to never do that.

The BART. Have you ever done the BART in San Francisco? We were filming Fear Factor in Oakland and I ate a pot cookie or something in my hotel room because I was hanging out with the crew. And they were really cool guys. But I was like, I have this cookie, and let me just – it would probably make it more interesting to hang out with these people. So I take this – it's not an insult.

But they were straight is my point. I couldn't say, hey, who wants some pot of cookies? They'd be like, oh, not me. Oh, no, no, no. You're not going to get me any of that. What are you, crazy? I don't think so, pal. Oh, you meant straight like they don't do drugs.

Yeah, they don't fuck around. I thought you were pissed because they were straight. No, yeah. I was like, well, I couldn't have gay sex with them. Let's go eat this. No, they were straight arrows. Like, you could offer them a drink. Yeah, I'll have a margarita. You know a drink. Yeah, I'll have a margarita.

You know, they get crazy. I'll have a margarita. But if you're like, who wants to eat some hash? Fuck, get the fuck away from me. So I ate this pot of cookie and I get on this Bart thing, man, and I am flying. I just totally over-modulated. Sometimes you just don't know what the fuck you're eating. You just eat one and it just puts you it puts you in almost like in another dimension it's like your face is under a waterfall like

you're like about to peer through the other side you just can't quite get there like that high and my ears are ringing i'm like more popping i'm like why are my ears popping and they go because we're 500 feet underwater i was like what the fuck are you talking about i would have never said yes to this if you asked me do you want to go in a fucking tube that's under the ocean in a place where the ground moves i would have said fuck you i don't want to do that why are we doing that that's like playing musical chairs you know i i can catch a train from my apartment in nottingham i found this out the other day i've been telling everybody i can catch a train from my apartment in Nottingham. I found this out the other day. I've been telling everybody. I can catch a train from my apartment in Nottingham to Saigon.

What? Right? How is that possible? Exactly. The problem is, the only part of the journey I would struggle with is the channel tunnel between... Oh, Jesus, Dan Hardy. Like, apparently one train has to stop while the other one goes past because the pressure would just like... No!

Fuck that. they go under the ocean under the ocean get the fuck out of here with that shit that is a movie waiting to happen oh they will tell your story for many many years in the future get the fuck out of here it's like a titanic kind of movie into it fuck that movie that movie sucks you do not want to be in that movie you don't want to be dude in tunnel. Pits of concrete under seawater. Just seeing the rocks tumbling towards you. Enormous rocks with walls of water behind them, pushing them.

Rocks that are thousands of pounds. And it's a matter of 10, 15 seconds before they hit you. And you're so minding you in that circumstance as well. You're so insignificant. Yeah, you don't matter, bitch. You are a footnote in history. And that's a wrap, son. Clean her up. You're so insignificant. Yeah, you don't matter, bitch. You are a footnote in history, and that's a wrap, son! Clean her up!

You're clear, Mr. Hardy. Thank you for playing this life. Yeah, that's why I didn't go to that airport. Good move, son. Good move. Now that you put it that way. Can I bring up that funny thing that I saw? No.

That's so funny! No, no, no, no. Don't talk about it. No, because I'll get mad. Unfortunately. It's so funny. Dan Hardy, you recently went to the jungle. I did.

I went to the jungle. You recently had an experience in the spirit world. I did. That sounds, doesn't that sound like a ridiculous thing to say? It does. You sound like one of those bead-wearing, fucking Birkenstock-wearing assholes. If you say something like that, like, yeah, I went to Spirit World. Oh, yeah.

Did you? You fuck. Hey, and I do yoga like five times a week now. I'm really not helping my cause at all. I've got the beads. Yeah, you've got the beads. There's like a certain thing to it. It's like it sucks when someone's faking that thing.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Oh, just burn some white sage and it'll be better. It's like, you know, you can see those people from a mile away. I know a guy who's like that who preys on older women. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's got this older woman. She's quite a bit older than him and less attractive than him. But he's young and fairly useless and like this fake guru type character and you know there's a documentary i can't remember what it's called it's on netflix and it's a guy who he goes out to have you seen it yes goes out to india no no i haven't seen it but i've heard of it watch it he makes a fake religion fake guru yeah he becomes a fake guru let's let's see documentary on fake guru, yeah. Yeah, he becomes a fake guru. Let's see, documentary on a fake guru. Netflix just pulled the plug on like 2,000 live movies.

Did they really? Why? Because they lost contracts with, I think it was Warner Brothers or something, but like South Park's gone. Like a lot of shit is gone from it right now. Kumar is the movie. That's it, yeah. A true film about a false prophet. It's worth a watch. It's kind false prophet. It's worth a watch.

It's kind of interesting. It's fucked how easy it is to trick people. That's unfortunate. You know, people want... You know why I think this is why I think? It's because it's an insanely rare quality to be truly enlightened or even truly on the path of enlightenment, a true path of enlightenment with true focus and on a path for a real – the pure sake of trying to figure out what this life is and figure out how to live this life better.

There's so few people really, really doing that, that to even like attempt to do it is so douchish it's intimidating to think for yourself though i think that's where a lot of people fall you know it's scary to think for yourself so they want somebody else to do it for them it is but it's also we don't like people proclaiming that there is something more grand than the rest of us. We don't like people proclaiming that they're on the path to figuring it out where you're screaming in your car at a red light and you can't balance your checkbook. You know what I mean? People don't want to believe that there's a guy who really does do yoga every day

and really does find his center and it's made him a more joyous person. Shad-dad-dad, this is what I hear from you. A lot of you talking about you, buddy. day and really does like find his center and it's made him a more joyous person sad that that is what i hear from you a lot of you talking about you buddy that's what i hear a lot of you being impressed with yourself a lot of you're fucking annoying with your flip-flops and that that's what happens it's like there's so many of those guys there's so many but it's i had this doctor of mick goswami in here once the theoretical physicist guy genius guy and he was saying that sometimes people have to fake things in order to to really truly make them happen like like i let people he's like i let people use the word quantum when i know

they don't really know what it means but he's like but if if this guy has interest in faking it, maybe it would lead to a real interest in trying to understand quantum science. And I was like, wow, that's a fucking interesting way to look at it. I go, so like false gurus and play, just let them fake it. Which I guess, I guess. But then they start fucking everybody's wives. Well, yeah. Which I guess I guess But You know Then they start You know Fucking everybody's wives

And Well yeah Yeah Killing all the male babies You know It always goes south Always And it's always a man running shit

Why is that? Has there been a woman run cult ever? Can you tell me that? There's a fucking I can think of one Just that alone Is great evidence that women are way less dangerous than men yeah they have less of a desire to control their

environment yeah even if you have a shitty woman boss yeah she ain't no cult leader no oprah's the closest woman cult leader yeah she's the closest to a woman cult leader yes because she kind of is yeah she's kind of running a cult she's running a cult of happiness amongst women over 35 chardonnay cult chardonnay cult yeah yeah she's that's that's her her shit i guess she could run a cult you know but like there's not a lot of women who could pull that off and run a cult think about imagine what the world looks like from her perspective from oprah's perspective it's got to be insanity because first of all how many women have ever achieved that before how many it's not

like you're a man if you're a man and you're like a media mogul it's like oh look another one another richard branson another this another that another that this guy. There's always a new guy. There's always some new guy who's a big loud mouth who's on TV all the time and makes a lot of money. There's always that guy. Well, how many of those girls, how many girls have just had all these women screaming and cheering whenever they see her? She gives away cars and shit. Yeah. Saves people in Africa.

How many girls? Is there one other one ever angelina jolie is kind of like yeah rocking it in some sort of weird way but she doesn't have like a talk show no but she's talking every day she's like an actress that's like control that's like you can give people instructions and they'll follow it go and buy this and millions of women will go out and buy it that's scary power yeah oprah power is weird power this it's very rare that a human achieves that but but she can't she has to have sacrificed like real relationships with people like you can't have a real connection with anybody or you can't develop

new connections when you get to that kind of status i don't think so i wonder how do you ever let anybody in i don't know well the only reason you wouldn't is if you think that you're better than other people because you're successful The the the issue of running into people that want to take advantage of you You're gonna have that no matter what, you know You would hope that your filter is good enough that you'd be able to but when I guess the stage where you can't go anywhere Without someone recognizing that you're like like everybody knows who you are. Yeah, you fucked up son. You took it too deep Should have backed off Elvis. Maybe have stayed alive longer never go full retard yeah there's something that happens to people when they get that cuckoo face you know they get that over the top like justin bieber's oh he's gone this young man's gone the young man he tried

to take a monkey to Germany the other day. What the fuck is that? That's what you do when you're fucking 17 years old and you fucked a million girls a day for the past year. And you look like you're four. And he thought they were being unreasonable because they wanted to take his monkey off.

They are unreasonable. He's Justin motherfucking Bieber. Justin Bieber, he could go to a restaurant and put his hands up and say, hello, everybody, and they would start cheering. They would start clapping. Yeah. Twerping. Justin Beaver's here.

Swag. They would go, oh, my God, he just said swag. What's that? But that's his thing. He says swag all the time. How do you know that? I know a lot. Wait a second.

We've talked about it on the podcast, you fucking stoner. Swag? Yes. You don't pay attention to things I say. You block me out like an old married. Swag. You block me out like we're married. Beaver swag.

Yeah, he's, I know a dude who has done work for Mr. Beaver. He's a very nice guy. I met his dad. He's a nice kid. Yeah, I met his dad guy. I met his dad. He's a nice kid. Yeah, I met his dad too. I met him and his dad at a UFC fight. Met him like very briefly. We had headphones on.

They shook our hands. Hi. Hi. How you doing? And then the fight was going on. But no one could ask anyone to be able to handle that situation any better than that kid's doing. He's doing way better than I would do. Could you imagine what fucking damage you would have done

if you were that famous at 17 that must be ridiculous yeah i did enough damage at 17 and i was just what kind of life is that that's a that guy lives he there's only one person on the planet that lives like that that's him like who's he gonna compare notes with yeah i don't know who's gonna understand his life like britney spears was was that kind of level at one point you know yes yeah what happened to her she went crazy she blew a fuse yeah i'm kind of excited for just to be able to lose his mind as well but it's just how is it going to happen you know is he going to start buying like wild animals and fill his house with them or it's money in the bank. I used to do a joke before Macaulay Culkin went crazy. I used to do a joke about, oh, here's money in the bank.

It's like, this ain't going to turn out well. This is you. You're not always going to be that guy. You're going to be like a man someday. That's going to be weird. You became unbelievably famous while you were a child. How could you possibly handle that? Hanging out with Michael Jackson.

Jesus Christ. You know, there was a guy who got arrested. He was like one of those famous Hollywood investigative guys, like a strong-arm investigator. And he had done some work with Michael Jackson. And what he says is that he wanted to check in and make sure that all the molestation allegations were were incorrect and he said he wouldn't work with Michael Jackson

because he did something worse than molest them what what that means you know I couldn't even imagine what the fuck that means. But it was enough that he wouldn't work with the guy. Yeah. I don't know if that's true. I mean, he's in jail. The guy who did it is in jail. And he did a lot of nefarious, semi-illegal type shit.

He did a lot of strong arm shit, you know. But it seems like he have a little bit of a code and it seems like uh whatever michael jackson was doing according to him at least that's scary man we were talking about cleveland we're talking about what happened in cleveland yeah before the show started yeah these these guys these three brothers had kidnapped these three girls and kept them locked up for ten years. So they each got one? I don't know.

I don't know what they did. I don't know the full details of the story. But the guy who saved them is this black dude. He said that something happened, and I think he heard some screaming. And, like, he kicked down a door. Was he robbing the place? No. Oh, he was just going to watch?

He was trying to save them. He was trying to save them. Racist little fuck. I know what you're doing. You're just trying to keep black people from coming to your shows ever. I know what you're doing. I heard some noises. Oh, I mean, I was breaking into the place.

And he said, it's a really interesting thing. You've got to see the interview. The guy's really entertaining. The guy who saved him. Pull up the interview because it's pretty fascinating. thing You gotta see the interview The guy's really entertaining The guy who saved him Pull up the interview Because it's pretty fascinating And then don't worry folks We're still gonna talk about the spirit world

I know we got off subject But this ain't You know this ain't the Conan O'Brien show bitch It doesn't all go streamlined Are you getting requests? No I know people want to hear about that though I know they do I can't listen to requests

Like while the show's going on. Too many people would just write fucked up shit and try to get my attention. Ramsey. What's that? This one? His name's James Ramsey. Is that his name? Yeah, James Ramsey. Yeah.

Or Charles Ramsey. Charles Ramsey. Charles Ramsey. Guy's a bad motherfucker. He saved those girls. They were in there for 10 years. These guys were holding them captive for 10 years like what the fuck happens to people that allows them to do something like that i don't know i don't know like what is their view of the world like how

how do they see their own actions how did they get to be that thing yeah how did they that's the real question what who did something to them they must have they must have peace with it in some way 10 years 10 years a long time to have second thoughts you know just oh yeah i mean i don't think i think they were just that was they owned them that they were going to keep it that way how do you come to the conclusion that's okay i don't know i don't know i couldn imagine. I have this conversation with the people about Michael Vick. I'm always kind of vocal about that and that situation with the dog fight. Here's the dude.

Here's the dude. Huh. Pause it for a second because I want to hear what you have to say about this because, yeah, that disturbs the shit out of me too, the Michael Vick thing. Yeah, I mean, it's like i went i was up in uh utah a couple of weeks ago for the the victory dogs reunion which is basically the the dogs that were were saved i think they took 58 uh some of them were euthanized because they were too bad um but most of them were taken to a place called the best friends animal sanctuary and uh

some of them will stay there for the rest of their lives because they can't be with other dogs and you know right uh like the grand social yeah like the grand champions and stuff they had all scarred Some of them will stay there for the rest of their lives because they can't be with other dogs. They can't socialize. Yeah, like the Grand Champions and stuff. They're all scarred up and stuff. But a lot of them got adopted. And all the families stay quite close and they bring the dogs together so they can socialize. But some of these dogs have got chemical burns on their back.

There's one little dog that walks sideways because it was thrown against the wall as a puppy. How do you get to the stage where you think that that's an all right thing to do like that's that's not you don't get better from that that's not something that and now he's got another dog like you showed up in a pet smart the other day with like this it's like some kind of military dog you should not be allowed yeah how is he if there's anything right with the world that dog's gonna go for his throat at some point how is he allowed to have dogs yeah it's ridiculous right with the world, that dog's going to go for his throat at some point. How is he allowed to have dogs? Yeah, it's ridiculous. After all the dogs he killed. But you don't heal from something like that. That's something that, that's just something, that's who you are.

Well. I don't think he can change. What is the story? He killed a bunch of them, right? Yeah. How did he kill them? He like electrocuted them? Throwed them on the floor, electrocuting them, hanging them. Yeah, he did like torturous shit.

Yeah, he had a bad reputation in the dog fighting community oh my god like 58 dogs yet oh my god yeah he had a bad reputation in the dog fighting community you know you're a cunt when the dog fighting world is like man you need to settle the fuck down you're being mean yeah that's some that's that's a whole new level of mean holy shit i have a i have a friend who adopted one of his dogs um and this little dog when you take into a room it will go and sit in the corner and shake oh god and it just you can't go near it without it just shaking uncontrollably and that was a i think they call them bait dogs where basically they put a

muzzle on the dog and use it as like a confidence builder for the the fighting dogs that are successful oh god so it just but this guy's a dog that they bullied yeah oh my god but this guy's got another dog now and he's back playing football and everyone's cool because he's he's an athlete and you know that's not that's not a normal human being that's not you know i i agree it's not a regular calculation to make. Well, it's also – when do you forgive? There are certain things that we don't forgive, right? I mean we don't forgive child molesting. No one forgives that. When a person wants to rape kids, like you're off the menu for civilization pretty much universally. When you look at what some people are willing to accept, it's clearly – there's like a sociopathic characteristic to that.

There's a cruelty characteristic. But can a guy learn from that? We know – we don't – they can't learn from child rape. They can't. The recidivism rate is way too high. Whatever it is, it's way too sick. The danger that they pose is way too great. It's it's way too sick the danger that they pose is way too great it's like there's too much at stake yeah but the idea is like a guy that used to treat dogs like

their shit and kill them should we give that guy a second chance but the thing is i don't think he can change his opinion on his actions all i can all i think he can do is realize that other people don't find it acceptable well yeah there's that there's that. But there's also that his culture, like he grew up, from the time he was a little boy, like they had dog fights. Like there's a lot of people in this world today that still engage in like really regular dog fights. And if you are unlucky enough to be born in that environment, when do you make your own moral distinction?

When do you realize that this moral distinction like when do you realize that this is a terrible thing but even so there's dog fighting and dog fighting i mean right you know like if you read uh sam sheridan's book a fighter's heart yes there's a bit about dog fighting in there and it's i mean i don't agree with it but it's a very very different perspective you know they care for the dogs they look after them they buy them the best food and you know really take care of them and the dogs fight for for honors you know right which i mean it's still a kind of an unusual perspective but but the stuff that vick was doing was just evil evil which is a whole new level entirely and that's the kind of stuff that you can't you can't heal from i don't think that's that's the person that he is i met

him once and i didn't know who he was i met him backstage i'm glad i wouldn't i don't meet him now because i don't i don't know i'd want to be anywhere near him uh he just you know what how did you feel when you met him i didn't know who he was i didn't know who he was and he's just yeah when my friend confronted him about what he'd done to the dogs he said he was hoping for some kind of like aggressive reaction like he was gonna he was hoping that the guy that the guy was at least gonna have a feeling about it he said but when whatever he was telling the guy whatever he was talking to michael vick about vick was just like just just not not there just not present you know he's just he didn't understand what was going on not a very smart guy just you know joe have you

seen have you seen the charles ramsey call? I heard that's just terrifying. Somebody just sent it to me with captions. Yeah, sure. Throw it up. What you're about to hear is a 911 call placed by hero Charles Ramsey after he found Amanda Berry, a woman who had been kidnapped for the past decade. This man saved her life. 5.52 p.m. 34 seconds.

May 62013. Cleveland 911 police ambulance to fire. Yeah, hey, bro. I'm at 2207 Seymour, West 25th. Hey, check this out. I just came from McDonald's, right? So I'm on my porch eating my little food, right? This broad is trying to work out the fucking house next door to me.

So there's a bunch of people on the street right now and shit. So we like, well, what's wrong with you? What's the problem? She like, this motherfucker been kidnapped me and my daughter and we've been in this bitch. She say her name is Linda Berry or some shit. I don't know who the fuck that is. I just moved over here, bro. Is that real? Is she still in the street? Seymour Avenue. Is she still in the street or where did she go? Yeah, I'm looking at her. She right now. She calling y'all.

She on another phone. Is she black, white, or Hispanic? Uh, she white, but the baby look Hispanic. Okay, what is she wearing? Uh, white tank top, light blue sweatpants. Like a white beater. Do you know the address next door that she said she was in? Yeah, 2207. I'm looking at it. Okay, I thought that was your address. So that she said she was in yeah 2207 i'm looking

at it okay i thought that was your address so that that house i'm smarter than that bro i'm telling you what a crime would do you want to leave your name and number or name ramsay r-a-m-s-b-y what's the phone number okay if there's any justice in the world this guy becomes fucking huger than Kim Kardashian. That was Jules off of Pulp Fiction, I'm sure of it. Yeah. That?

This is real. I know. This is a real guy. What? She needs everything. She's in a panic, bro. I bet she's been kidnapped. So, you know, put yourself in her shoes.

We'll send the police out. Thank you. There you go. I like that guy. I like that guy. I like that guy. That guy's a bad motherfucker. You've got to get him on the podcast. Fuck yeah, we do. We have to make that guy president. Wow, that was amazing. That's a real man.

So he was breaking into that place, right? Brian. I was coming from McDonald's, and there was somebody trying to break out of the house. She's trying to break out of her house how was she breaking out of the house was she punching through a window I don't know she climbed out somehow

somehow or another she got out of whatever they had locked her up in crazy shit man 10 fucking years and thinking it's going to be the rest of your life having these guys just fuck you hold you down and fuck you every night and feed you fucking oatmeal some run down house in Cleveland you're a sex slave for the rest of your life having these guys just fuck you, hold you down and fuck you every night and feed you fucking oatmeal.

Some run-down house in Cleveland, you're sex-related for the rest of your life. So what do you do with those guys? Kill them. You gotta kill them. They just gotta remove them from the gene pool. But don't you think there's something kind of sinister about laying somebody down on a bed and injecting them to put them down?

Yeah, I don't think it's necessary. I think you just dig a hole, shoot them in the head, push them in the hole. I really don't think you need to be fucking with all this injection. So clinically it makes it scary. Well, that's what they're trying to do.

What they're trying to do is take the, uh, the chaos out of murder. Yeah. They're trying to take all the variables out. This can do it nice and easy. A little poison. Here you go.

Okay. You're dead. Goodbye. Take care. That's it. That's a wrap. Instead of just shooting someone. Did you ever see that movie Dead Man Walking? No. Sean Penn's a bad motherfucker. That guy knows how to act his ass off. He's a crazy dude, but he knows how to act his ass off. He played this guy that was dying. He's going in for lethal injection. The way he played

it was so real. You really thought he was going going in for lethal injection and the way he played it was so real like you really thought he was gonna fucking die and that's all avoidable man all that craziness of strapping that guy in and freaking him out and injecting him so that you can feel better yeah just shoot him in the fucking head and let's be done with this okay it's real simple that's a bad person he's broken we gotta get rid of him. Shoot him. Okay, there we go. Like they do on The Walking Dead. I think they should put him in a trough first

at like a Skinner concert and we all get to like piss on him. You know, like something cool like that first. That's not cool. That's just weird. Yeah, let's piss on him. Something cool. Hey, what do you want to do today? Something cool. Let's piss on them something cool hey what do you want to do today something cool let's piss on each other so tell me about your journey in the jungle okay what was that all about what happened what what what caused you to want to do this i don't really know i don't really know i

just felt i felt like i was drawn to it um i was speaking to a friend of mine. I won't mention him, but he's another fighter, retired now. And he did a couple of ceremonies in London, a friend's place. They brought a shaman over and did a couple. I've always been kind of the guy that if I wanted to experience something, I would go to the source. You know what I mean? I would like, like if I wanted to do Kung Fu, I go to China. And if I want to wrestle, I come to America. And, you know, if I want to try Ayahuasca I go to Peru it just kind of made sense so um it was kind of like my reward for getting through the the Dwayne Ludwig camp

because that was obviously you know that would have been a fifth loss in a row and obviously a complete change in career paths um so I just kind of, you know, I put 12 weeks aside to dedicate myself to that fight, and, you know, with that as a reward after. And a couple of days after the fight, I flew out and spent two weeks there. Did a tobacco ceremony on the first day, three ayahuasca ceremonies, and two San Pedro ceremonies. Damn! How was that tobacco ceremony? Yeah, what is the tobacco ceremony?

They basically make a drink of tobacco, coffee, and sugar, and they cook it up and then you drink a whole load of it. And it's like a purge, like a detox. If you've got any kind of toxins in your system, you throw up and you sweat, and some people are crying, and obviously there's all kinds of other nasty stuff

that goes on as well. It's a way of cleansing your body before the ayahuasca. Is it a theoretical cleansing or does it actually have a cleansing effect? It's got a cleansing effect. Fortunately, I've been in training camp for 12 weeks, so I've been on a clean diet. And I just kept my diet clean until I got to Peru because there's a special diet for the ayahuasca. Yeah, it's a low acidic diet, right? Yeah, no salt, no sugar sugar no oils uh no sex no spices

no oils no oils really yeah why no oils i don't know i don't know that's interesting yeah there are a lot of things uh a lot of things on the list that i'm kind of on the fence about and it's kind of it's weird because there's not really any kind of science behind it i mean there are some things that you can't have because they react badly with the with with the medicine but uh some of the foods are kind of kind of odd right i just kind of go on instinct when i'm when i'm dieting for it right now so the tobacco ceremony there's no psychoactive effect no nothing it's just like it's just like smoking three packets of cigarettes and drinking six starbucks all at the same time mixing it all together that sounds like the future of cigarettes okay so i don't drink coffee i don't drink caffeine or obviously smoke cigarettes so i'm like

i'm like sitting in my room like shaking and sweating wow it was kind of uncomfortable wow but once that was over the next day was was the first ayahuasca ceremony and i did feel real sharp the next morning i felt very uh very alert okay so the next morning you do the ayahuasca ceremony yeah what's that like uh well you don't eat a great deal during the day uh we had a light breakfast and then uh you know like a like a fruit snack around midday and then after that you fast and the ceremony starts at 8 p.m um so the idea is that you go into the ceremony with intentions, the things that you want to, questions you want to ask. There's always this talk about, about ayahuasca, the spirit of ayahuasca, mother ayahuasca. And some people during their experiences have an interaction

with a female entity of some point of some sort, but I didn't. but uh but the intentions are still very important going into the ceremony with uh you know with questions about myself or my life or whatever really um for me the the answers just kind of just kind of manifest they just kind of show up i've just kind of all of a sudden get an overwhelming feeling of of the right the right answer i don't really know how to explain it better than that it's kind of the problem is that i really feel like we've not got the language to explain this kind of stuff at the moment we need we need to expand it our vocabulary to to encompass all the you know all the stuff that we we experience in these things yeah there's a lot of people believe that

what uh psychedelic states even if they don't't believe that you're really contacting the spirit world, what they think you're doing by forcing yourself to take a hard look at yourself and address some questions that you might have one way or another, but to do it with this stuff that absolves your ego.

It removes the ego. In doing that, it's a rare state that you get to get the fuck away from your ego, but it really lets you get away from it to a point where that you get to get the fuck away from your ego but it really lets you get away from it to a point where you can see things so much more clearly and you can realize how much of the ego has just been really been sort of tricking you and deceiving you and and making you believe that you're you know you're either something that you're not or you've gone further than you really actually have or your ego has allowed you to sort of

delude yourself to get by this very strenuous existence and when you go into a psychedelic state it allows you to bypass all that and see it and it doesn't you know that that's where like people don't understand that you can get to a mild psychedelic state from exercise and yoga yes you get I mean fasting yeah meditation and yeah you can get there just to in sensory deprivation types you can get to a pretty extreme form with no drugs at all but the ayahuasca ceremony is basically known as part of the grand mal of the psychedelic experiences the most spiritual of the psychedelic experiences, the most spiritual of the psychedelic experiences. It's pretty powerful in comparison to other things I've experienced.

Have you ever experienced the raw form of DMT? Yeah, only once though. Was it 5-MeO DMT or was it an N-DMT? There's two different kinds. 5-MeO is quite a bit different. There's no visuals. It's a very intense feeling of connection and it's very very potent in fact i think it's like supposedly obviously i'm not some sort of a scientist here but uh supposedly it's even more powerful gram per gram than dmt is but the dmt the nm dmt is what you get in the ayahuasca. Okay.

When you eat it, if you tried to eat DMT, there's a stomach chemical produced. Your stomach produces something called monoamine oxidase apparently, and that breaks down DMT. So what these brilliant people that live in the Amazon have figured out how to do is mix the vine of one plant with the leaves of another and cook it all together so they they introduced a natural mao inhibitor don't that blow your mind it's insane blows your mind did you ask them how they figured it out no terence mckenna did and he said that they always said that the plants told them how to do it but you know i've always thought about this with diet. People have been combining incomplete proteins for years, like milk and cereal and rice and beans, and not knowing that those two things combined made a complete protein. So why would they combine them?

Yeah, it's funny, right? You know what I mean? It's like an odd coincidence. But ayahuasca is the same thing but way more extreme. There's a lot of folks that believe. I shouldn't say a lot of folks, but it's been speculated. I've read work where people believe that what we've created with civilization and with societies and especially with like modern societies where there's like mass speed communication. mass uh speed communication it's like people are sending each other text messages and watching television always is that we're missing out key information that is there in nature and that literally if you're in a natural state like if you're living in a natural state and you're away

from the the distractions and the madness of the fucking civilized world, that there's literally a signal that you can't quite pick up anymore. And that signal is like a guide to get through life. Like the earth literally does talk to you. Is that the collective consciousness, do you think? I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I believe that it ever really was the case, that people were much more sensitive to the language of the earth it is possible i think it's really

hard to even wrap our heads around what it must have been like before there were language and all the toxins that we've that we've produced as well all the things that we've introduced to our diet and to our bodies yeah you know like like the dashboard on my truck outside is killing me slowly you know what i mean that kind of stuff yeah it's you know like like the dashboard on my truck outside is killing me slowly you know what i mean that kind of stuff yeah it's you know they admit they emit all kinds of chemicals and you know like like fluoride as as people are now starting to understand yeah fucking fluoride's bad for you yeah how what how nutty is that yeah calcifies your pineal gland supposedly i don't know if there's ever been any real studies i have a feeling that might be something that someone

just said once and everybody just repeats i can take it out and i don't mind well it's i don't think there's been any real studies. I have a feeling that might be something that someone just said once and everybody just repeats. I can take it out. I don't mind. Well, I don't think there's necessarily a lot of evidence that it's good for you. I think people say that there's a connection between putting fluoride in the water and removing tooth decay. But that also coincides with education about brushing. I mean all that shit went down when people realized that you have to brush, you know,

and then putting fluoride in your teeth brush in your toothpaste. Apparently that's not so good either. Even though you don't eat it, it still is like you're, there's a reason why you don't swallow that stuff. Once you like, like, yeah.

If it's in the drinking water though. Yeah. Fucking crazy. Yeah. But why do we still do it, though? I don't know. I'm sure there's some grand scheme that someone will send me a tweet about

and I'll spend the next four hours festering over it. What the fuck? I think these are things that are potentially, like, you know, like keeping us disconnected from this, whatever we're missing out on, this language that we're missing out on

from the... Maybe. It's possible. But I think that if you were living in the jungle and you needed to survive there, it is possible that you would at least have an idea of mixing these two things together and cooking them. Yeah. Could you imagine if you found out you were right? Like, when you created ayahuasca, I mean, if the dude just nailed it the first time,

like, let's see what we got here. Takes a sip. Yeah. Do-do-do-do. Do-do what we got here. Takes a sip. Yeah. Do, do, do, do. Do, do, do. Do, do, do. He must have been like, God damn, did I knock it out of the park? Yeah.

Fuck your vegetable soup. I got some shit. It will kick your dick right into the dirt, son. But look at the guy that discovered LSD. Yeah, Albert Hoffman. Yeah. Like, complete accident. It was an accident.

Not only that, he rode home and thought he was going mad. Yeah. Was he like, cycling home or something? Yeah, his fucking bicycle. First LSD trip ever. And then,

didn't he go back a couple of days later and take like, five times the amount or something? I don't know. I think the initial amount he took was way higher

than like, a normal dose. It's like a bucket. I think it came in, it came in through his fingers, I think. Because that's the thing about acid. It'll go right through your skin. Had that happen? That's exciting.

For the first time, the first dude to figure out ayahuasca, how long ago was that? They say it's at least 2,000 years. They say they've they've they've shown like archaeological evidence of ayahuasca use up to 2 000 years ago but how do you even i mean i can't make sense of it now and i have a you know a much more a much better understanding of the universe you know as as obviously science knows it but like back then when all you know is

is the jungle and the plants around you and how how would you even begin to make sense of that? How would you begin to make sense of that? Yeah. How would you? And then how do you become an expert at introducing that to other people like a shaman, which I find really fascinating, the idea of shamanism. It's very fascinating. You know why it's fascinating? Because you've experienced it and you know it's real.

To a Joe construction worker lunchbox that's listening to this nonsense right now. You know, I like that Joe Rogan podcast. But every now and then, they go off the fucking tinfoil hat deep end. And this guy's talking about journeying to the spirit world. And I want to be a shaman. Get the fuck out of here. Tell me a joke, ass face. Okay, that's what you're here for, you fuck.

That guy's a black belt under matt serra possibly possibly well done yeah the um the the you know it's real yeah you've done it you've experienced it and it's it's not just real it's real in a way where you feel sorry for people who haven't experienced it because if but but at time, when I first came back from Peru and people were asking me, is this something that everyone should experience? I was saying yes to everybody, but now I'm not so sure. I was walking through the Luxor the other day, and God bless America and all the people that were pumping money into those slots and smoking cigarettes and drinking beers,

but they need to do a lot of self-discovery without an altered state before they would be even ready for that like if you took them and gave them ayahuasca it would ruin them forever maybe maybe this you know maybe just seeing them at their worst maybe they would say that about you if they caught you beating off well maybe you know you're there fucking your eyes cross your tongue out and like yeah this guy really needs a fucking ayahuasca seminar. You need to get your own life together, son. They would come down on you. But it's kind of weird because the people that find their way to it are already in a place in their life where they're kind of prepared for it.

I think that happens a lot of the time, but I'm not completely convinced that happens all the time. I've definitely heard of people having bad experiences or going there when they weren't ready for it. I think psychedelic experiences are incredibly powerful. And to say that people should or shouldn't do it is equally foolish. Because to say that someone should do it is like, how the fuck do you know that guy should do it? What, because you did it and you like it? Yeah, I'd agree with that i just think you know it's just it's a lot to process for someone that's open-minded right so for someone that is buying into the oprah cult and

you know oprah's badass dude don't get it wrong don't get it twisted i'd like to take oprah to i'd like to take oprah to peru that's what we need to do. We need to get Oprah and bring her to the jungle. I think this is the way forward. I think this is how we move to the next stage of our evolution is we've got to start getting some of these power people and taking them out there. I think it's already happening. We haven't heard about it all yet.

I hope so. Listen, there really are people, and there really are, that really do have a massive amount of power in this world, and they really do. You don't think that they've wanted to look into that like why would you not want to look in that if there's anything that could freak you out if you were in the bilderberger group you motherfuckers sitting around doing ayahuasca talking to the the great serpent as it breaks down your life and the kind of damage that you're doing to society and civilization and how unnecessary it is and how you're still unhappy even though you're doing it even though you're manipulating the banks controlling the resources of the world instigating wars overseas and

profiting off of it in some strange fucking shell game that nobody completely understands you're still not happy bitch and that's what it would tell you it would be good for everybody but what do you think what do you think if you got the Bilderberg into a ceremony into a ceremony and I think they all need to realize that you don't need that much money you fuck yeah crazy you're going crazy asshole you got caught up in your own game you got to the point where you're controlling the world's economy and you're worth billions what are you doing you don't need billions that's stupid man that's dumb you can have a nice house and food and not worry about shit for way less and never have to worry about a single thing for the rest of your life. Like you're in some crazy stratosphere that no one reaches and you're still trying to make more money.

You're still trying to fuck people over. You're a sick fuck. You're sick. Because obviously you're broken. It's very reptilian. It's very stupid too because you could be having a great fucking time every day for the rest of your life. If I had billions of dollars, every day would be fishing. I would fucking go fly kites.

I would travel. Today, we're going to Hawaii. Who gives a fuck? You've got $100 million in the bank. Instead, what are you doing? You're trying to fuck over Portugal. You're trying to steal oil out of the Amazon. Yeah, what are you trying to do?

What are you trying to do? You're fucking cunting up the world. It's not necessary, but they don't know any better because they're caught up. Just like those same people at the casino. Those people are caught up too. They're caught up in like a hitch in the human mind that allows you to try to solve puzzles and seek conclusions. And you just hijack that shit with three lemons. Come on, you fuck.

I can find the three lemons. They're in there. And then your brain gets locked in this stupid thing. And then the cigarettes. You're sucking on these cigarettes that these same people are extracting millions of dollars from the society. By feeding people these poisonous fucking weed-filled tubes that you light on fire and you poison yourself nice and slow they give them the drugs to fix it yeah lots of play i got plenty of shit to basically we're gonna knock cancer out of the box in the next couple years you have to worry about

mr johnson just keep fucking smoking away it's a it's we live in a mad world we live we live in a world that should be a movie and nowhere is that more readily available or honest than when you have a psychedelic experience because when you see what mushrooms can do or we could see what dmt could do and whether it's an ayahuasca or a regular form you see realize like what there really is like a magic in the world and it sounds so stupid that if you haven't experienced it you really wouldn't and even people even people who have experienced it they don't want to describe it that way because they don't want to sound stupid to people who haven't experienced it so they'll go look it's nothing magic your your cerebral cortex gets

flooded with chemicals you're the visual aspect of your interpretation of the world around you gets hate hijacked by these uh new chemicals and they just fucking give maybe maybe or maybe you haven't done it yet yeah and if you have done it maybe you're just cynical maybe you're missing out on what the fuck that is that's some magic fairy dust bitch you get to go to a fairy land but i do find that i can't speak as openly with people that haven't had that experience anymore. No, because you sound crazy. Exactly, yeah. I say energy a lot more than I used to. I say powerful a lot.

Do you? Good. It's a good thing to say. I have a lot of power days now. Sometimes I'll get to the end of the day and I'll be like, yep, that was a power day. I'll be out in the Valley of Fire and swimming in Lake Mead and stuff. And it's like, yep, today was a power day. What's your kale count per day? Oh, it's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. But thinking that way, like being powerful and thinking positively, that really does change your fucking life. It does. And people don't understand that. Like it is silly. Yeah, it definitely seems silly. If you're a serious person who's a conservative man

who's not to be mocked and laughed at, you wouldn't engage in such behaviors. But life itself is silly. The whole thing is silly. The whole thing is completely ridiculous. You know? So for you to not, you know, to be worried about looking stupid by trying that out yeah

it's the whole the whole my whole perspective of life change though i quite like the temporariness of it now do you yeah because because this the space that i i always experience you know with the ayahuasca and you know other psychedelics like you know dmt or psilocybin i always feel like like the place i reach when i've had the right kind of amount is is a very familiar safe place so i've been there hundreds of times before it's like oh i'm back yeah isn't that the weirdest thing about it it's really odd the weirdest thing about it is how it feels so comfortable and so so normal it feels so familiar yeah i think i think woman described it in the DMT, the spirit molecule book, Dr. Rick Strassman.

She said it feels like a waiting room between death and birth, which I thought was kind of an interesting perspective. Wow. I remember my latest psychedelic trip, that it was just like that, where I'm like, I've been here before. Why can't I remember this?

It seems like I do that a lot, like go to the same place so many times yeah well it will be a part of your brain it could but it's it's so close to normal human neurochemistry the most profound ones they're all they're so close to normal shit your brain produces like mushrooms mushrooms and DMT are like very closely combined they're very closely related to chem, and DMT is produced by your brain. So all of those experiences are just, they know exactly where to hit in your mind to produce this stuff. I can't think that that's a coincidence.

I can't think that that's an accident. I like Terence McKenna's theory on the introduction of psilocybin into the human diet. When we became from the canopy-dwelling fruit eaters to the plain dwelling kind of forages um i don't know if that holds up scientifically as far as the timeline but no i've never heard anyone say anything more plausible no there's no real serious explanation forward it was a huge leap in consciousness a doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years yeah and apparently that's the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record i've always wanted to to have a real light dose of mushrooms and fight like a gram or a gram and a half and fight and fight yeah yeah well you know i know people

have played pool with it and they say they can't miss they say they know where the ball is at all times they feel it moving on the table in three-dimensional space wow yeah guys used to play pool on small amounts of acid too and like have the best game of their life why pool though i mean what a waste of lsd you know i guess you'd want to be doing something creative but if you were a serious pool player like that's apparently the way to get really awesome who's a serious pool player me i play a lot of pool yeah for real but he's not as a job though like you don't do it like i would i would play professionally what about golf though i mean no no golf is first of all golf you're out there walking around the rain that's retarded and uh second of all you're chasing a ball around pool it's all on this one table the environment environment is exactly the same every time. You're not dealing with holes and rolls.

I bet I would love golf, but I'm terrified of trying it and finding out that I love it. Because it's so unpredictable. So much work. You're out there eight hours a day chasing a fucking ball. When you play 18 holes, that's several hours worth of playing. That's eight hours of drinking though, Joe. But would you enjoy it more with LSD? Bill Murray did in Caddyshack.

Wasn't that his thing? Wasn't it? He'd take acid and play golf. I know that people have done it, yeah. It gives you more sensitivity, apparently, more spatial recognition, more understanding of distance. Depth perception.

Yeah, depth perception. And apparently in a way that really you'd never see this field. Maybe maybe that's anderson silver's secret he's on acid every time he fights that makes perfect sense yeah could you imagine if he well he no steroids but you tested positive for mushrooms you fuck like jesus what are you doing yeah fighting on mushrooms should be a separate belt for that entirely well there was a baseball player famous baseball player who pitched a no hitter while i was on acid really yeah who is that do you know who it is hold on i'll pull it up no hitter on acid it was on during the 70s and uh apparently what happened was he wasn't supposed to be pitching doc ellis he wasn't supposed to be pitching that day so he decided to get lit up took some acid and then like something happened they called him day so he decided to get lit up took some acid and

then like something happened they called him in and he had to go play and he said he was just flying high and he pitched a no hitter see I'd have loved to have lived through those days of sport instead of these now these are too regulated you know yeah let's go back to those those like 1960s and 70s those were crazy days but you can can't go back. They're going to be looking back at this day thinking how crazy we were as well. I often think of all the things that we're going to look back on. Even when I'm old, I'm going to look back and be like, wow, we actually did that. I remember people smoking on planes. Yes, I remember that.

That's crazy. Yes, it's crazy. Even like I live in Vegas now. I walk into the casinos i'm like oh it's like two years ago that people uh stopped smoking in the uk oh yeah well i've immediately made the adjustment though so like in in like 30 or 40 years time like when i'm on a plane and we're like you know i can't even imagine what it would be like but we're gonna look back at like delta and be like hell no i can't believe I ever did that.

I lost my bags. I was stuck between two fat guys sweating on me. That definitely, yeah, there's got to be one day I'm sure there's going to be a better version of that. But the smoking in the sky is the most ridiculous one. Or when nurses and dentists smoke while they're actually working. Those old 1950s movies and shit yeah yeah everyone smoked i was watching uh invasion of the body snatchers the other day the old version fucking doctor sitting there lighting up in the middle of a doctor's appointment you're definitely talking too much about cigarettes today i'm freaking out yeah he's junky uh he's hooked but yeah the um

do you think that i mean it sounds like a crazy thing to say but do you think that i'm open the future i'm sure you are right do you think that the future of the world like i think do you think that it really depends on how many people have psychedelic experiences. Yeah. Like that. We need to tip the numbers in that direction in order for it to get just a large percentage of people that are at least willing to question the way the whole thing is built. Yeah. At least willing to question the way they're living their own lives, at least willing to question what it is we're doing here.

What are we doing exactly? Moving on momentum every day. Yeah. Getting up and your alarm clock goes we're doing here what are we doing exactly moving on momentum every day yeah getting up and your alarm clock goes off what the fuck are we doing but we're running on like terence mckenna would say an operating system and the one that we're running on is prehistoric you know everyone's trying to control each other everyone's jealous of what everybody else has got and we really need to get past that realize that i don't need to be jealous of what anybody else has got because i'm i'm good with what i've got you know and yeah just kind of i don't know people are not finding peace so they surround themselves with things that they think make them happy we haven't been aware for

very long i think that's a real problem i think that the human race is in the middle of waking up and trying to figure out what the fuck it did to get here and what it can do moving forward. And right now we're still operating on what it did to get here. We're still operating on the ripples of the effects of everything that's gone on in the past. And so when you say something like that, like, yeah, I mean, people need to do psychedelics. It just immediately dismiss you like you're all this crazy fuck. Like listen to him. Yeah. People need to do drugs. Yeah. That's what they need to do, Dan Hardy. They need to do drugs.

But the thing is I don't think the focus should be, well, it has to be psychedelics. It's just about people becoming more conscious, making conscious decisions. And even when it comes to like diet and exercise practice and just your approach to people and to relationships, to how you deal with people, your impact on the world. And as soon as more people start thinking about that, then we're going to start moving forward. I think psychedelics is just kind of a shortcut. It just kind of upgrades you a little bit quicker. You see things a little clearer.

Before my first ayahuasca experience, I always felt like I was in amongst my issues, like they were surrounding me, and I couldn't really see clearly. I couldn't get the pieces in order to put them together right. And as soon as that first ceremony was over, I felt like I could step back and look at all the pieces in front of me and piece things together, almost like everything's a game. And I think, was it Tom Campbell you were talking to a while ago?

There's a video of you and him on YouTube talking. And he's talking about the idea of... Tom Campbell? Yeah, Thomas Campbell. The soup guy? I'm sure that's his name. And what was it about? What were we talking about?

You know, just the idea. Like The Matrix, like it's a video game. Oh, I see. I think they combined us okay okay in something yeah that's a good video anyway that's a very interesting oh yeah yeah that's what it is it's um that that there's a lot of people that do these brilliant kind of together yeah they do them on their own no one tells them to do it they just do it and there's so many of them out there man it's incredible but like i kind of like my approach to life now is is almost like a video game like like i'm constantly trying to level up i'm constantly trying to get to the next next stage to to try and like like forced evolution almost right you know and i think that like we were

talking about this the other day um swimming in the in the lake smoking weed um just kind of hanging out and all of a sudden it all kind of fell into place for me like there are certain people that make an effort to to reach a higher consciousness so so imagine them as like as like bubbles on the table imagine the table's full of bubbles and one of those people starts to drift off a little quicker and that is going to create a reaction of the people around it and then they're going to pull up and occasionally you're going to get like a jim morrison or a hendrix or a martin luther king and they just kind of go and just pop and explode but they cause such a such a ripple that they start to raise everybody else's consciousness so i think everybody has a responsibility to raise their own and and by doing that we're gonna we're gonna

affect the people around us that's such a hippie term it is raise your consciousness it is it's like i am a filthy hippie now but it sounds like what a dude would say if he's trying to fuck you tell you know i'm just trying to raise your consciousness if you and i made love maybe bring us closer wow that does sound like me. Listen, Dan Hardy, I know your trick, son. But what you're saying, though, I agree with entirely, even though it sounds like dirty hippie talk. What you're saying is that we have to kind of realize that the only way to really enjoy this life is you've got to not just bring yourself up, but bring up the people around you and as they rise up it'll rise you up as well and that we really all all connected and it's your ego that

keeps you from seeing that it's your ego from trying to separate yourself from all these people that are around you and thinking that you're on your own but you're not on your own no one's on their own no and like and i struggle to come to terms with some things like the way Michael Vick treats animals. There's a documentary I tweeted a while ago on YouTube, and I apologize for anybody that watched it because it's the most awful thing I've ever seen. It's called Earthlings.

And it's just a video of the different ways that humans use and treat animals. And I got to like 26 minutes and I had to stop watching it. It was so difficult and i always struggle with coming to terms with why that happens why is that there and and my conclusion is that is that because it causes me to have a reaction to have a feeling about it so everybody that sees it everybody that witnesses that will immediately form an opinion and that

defines them a little further to themselves like we have to ask these questions about how do we feel about that. That makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't think that that's necessary and I don't want to watch that. Well, it also, the reason why that exists, the reason why those things can happen is that people are willing to overlook normal human morals and values in favor of profits. Yeah.

And when, as soon as you're, the numbers, the one and the zero become the almighty, then you're fucked. Yeah. Because then you're caught up in the wave of ones and zeros yourself. You can become just as disposable as anybody else. I mean, you should just,

that alone should get people to recognize that. Humanely, if you want to, to like get through this life humanely like you cannot only look at the ones and zeros no because that's everything that's fucked up about the world whether it's war whether it's a manipulation of the markets whether it's controlling a natural all of it is about ones and zeros a hundred percent yeah and and the people that have that have built this this society around it this operating system that we function under of of they've kind of they've kind of corralled us into a position where we don't have to make these these decisions we don't have to ask these questions about you know it does the hummer that i drive drink far too much fuel

and am i having too much impact on my environment around me am i an asshole for driving it you know what i mean it's that kind of people don't need to ask and you say this as a man who loves classic cars you know and it's a love-hate relationship i have i have my pontiac sitting in the garage and i drive it probably once a month and i've been talking about it about selling it for a while and i you're gonna get a prius dan harney you better not get a prius son of a bitch i can't i can't do a prius don't but the thing is the thing that doesn't make any sense shelby gt500s the new ones pretty fucking good on gas really turns out a big powerful engine that's not working very hard it's pretty efficient but the

thing is the technology is there yeah just get the dancing bears around your belly button that's but but it's like like in the uk i had a i had a a Kia sponsorship for a while in the UK and they would give me a new car every time I went back to drive and it was like what a thrill but seriously though

it was a 1.6 diesel it got like 60 miles to the gallon so why is that technology not making it over to the US because it's boring as fuck to drive

it's like Prius but they're not there's no soul you can't listen to Leonard Skinner music where you're driving around in a Kia diesel so the option's a Prius that gets 42 miles to the gallon sweet home Alabama there's no soul you can't listen to Leonard Skinner music where you're driving around in a Kia

diesel so the option's a Prius that gets 42 miles to go sweet home Alabama doesn't sound right you want to hear the engine you know what I'm saying boom

you want to be able to shift your own gear son all these things that are dying off I bemoan that but then on the flip side you know should I drive a car

that drinks so much fuel so eventually we can get through this quicker and then the people that have control of the fuel will lose their power and then we can start thinking ahead you know should i drive a car that drinks so much fuel so eventually we can we can get through this quicker and then the people that have control of the fuel will lose their power and then we can start thinking ahead you know like and then we need hemp diesel to run our muscle cars you know it's a finite resource so maybe we should just get through it as quickly as possible yeah it is a finite resource apparently but i don't understand how that works i don't understand how much oil's left it's you know the problem with one of those controversial subjects like peak oil

is when you hear those guys talk, you don't know who the fuck is right. This guy is saying – I read a book called Black Gold Stranglehold that was claiming that oil is a repeatedly made fluid and that wells that have gone dry if you give them enough time they start producing oil again the thing is that the only people that know the real facts the people that are in control anyway so why would they tell there's a truth yeah i don't know i mean the idea that anybody could own the oil i mean that's ridiculous that's the whole earth you fuck but you can't just fly over there in your metal boxes gingus khan but i'll say this about like like

red rock canyon like i'll go out there hiking and I'll get there at 4.50 and the park closes at 5. It's a mountain. How does it close? Yeah. You know what that's from? They're tired of picking people's pieces up and having people say, listen, you fucks, you can't be out

here because it's dangerous and too many of you dummies get drunk and fall off cliffs and die. That's why. I think those dummies should get drunk and fall off cliffs and die i think that's the way a thin in the hood without is actually going out and shooting people i'm with you son you know there was a uh there was a woman who recently died like this this week in france and she fell from like 900 feet off the top of a cliff and by the time they got down to her the vultures had already eaten her oh well that saved carrying her back yes that's one way to look at it but like let's let's just take all

of like you know all of the safety precautions that we have like fences around like moving parts and right you know like sort of like crossings if you can't make it across the street without getting hit by a car another thing as well and i have a lot of people that disagreed with me when i spoke about this on twitter 15 mile an hour zones around schools like if if all the time when i when i was a kid i grew up around cars moving at 15 miles an hour why would i ever take them seriously as a threat you know like like we need respect for these things because these things are fucking dangerous yeah that's totally true so we need to we need to learn to be careful about it but it's all about education yes i agree with you but to play devil's advocate there's too many dumb cunts out there

that need a sign that gives them an unreasonable speed limit it's just they slow the fuck down when they're around schools like our friends that we're talking about speeding and texting you can't have a 60 mile an hour speed limit in front of a school with that asshole driving okay because someone's little kid's going flying over the hood i wouldn't want it to be a little damn hardy well no and it's an awful thing but the 15 miles an hour is smart because kids also are stupid and they tend to jump into traffic and they you know oh my lord my piece of paper shit man i need to fucking pass this. And they run out into the street and boom. You gotta be able to hit that brake. You fuck. Hey, man. Fuck you. Fuck you, old man.

But I don't ever remember anybody getting hit by a car outside of school when I was a kid. And we had a 45 mile, 40 mile an hour zone outside of my school. I'm sure. I did see a woman get hit by a truck, though. She had her groceries on the handlebar. Oh, my God. How bad was that? Bad a truck, though. Ooh, Jesus. She had her groceries on the handlebars. Oh, my God. Yeah.

How bad was that? Bad. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, bad. Oof. Fucking A, man. I don't want to see that. But I have.

That's the problem with the internet. I've seen everything. Yeah. At this point, you've seen so much. Have you watched the video of the monk setting himself on fire from... Yes. I spent a day watching that over and over again. The one from Vietnam?

Yeah. Yeah. How do you how do you prepare yourself he didn't even fucking move no he he'd never like he never panicked he stayed in the lotus position until his body just taken something to numb it no i do not believe so so that's i mean if you're gonna light yourself on fire what fucking difference does it make how you're doing just light yourself on fire dude it going to get kind of warm into it. Did you see the bear eat the monkey? No.

In Hong Kong or Taiwan maybe? I forget. Somewhere in Singapore? I'm just making shit up now. I don't know what the fuck had happened. In some Asian country, there was a carnival show where a bear was on a bicycle. See, we pull it up, Jamie. There's a bear on a bicycle.

Of course. And a monkey on a bicycle. And they're going around this ring, and this is it. Pull it way up into the half of it, into it, before the bear loses his shit. Yeah. Right before there. So the monkey crap, pull it back, pull it back, pull it back, pull it back, pull it back. The monkey crashes a bike, and the bear crashes into the monkey's bike when it's on the ground and just decides

to eat the monkey. He's like, you know what? Fuck you. So watch this. Boom. The monkey crashes. The bear crashes on him. He's like, you know what? I think I'm just going to eat you. And just fucking mauls that monkey and they're all grabbing him and pulling the monkey away.

Look at this. That monkey's fucksville, son. That bear is just going off on that monkey. He's like, you stupid bitch. You dropped your fucking bike. That's it. I've been thinking about eating you for months. I bet his instincts were when something goes down in front of you,

you just start eating it. Yeah. You know? I think that's like bear 101, right? If you're a bear and some shit trips in front of you like that, you just start eating it yeah you know i think that's like bear 101 right if you're a bear and some shit trips in front of you like that you just start eating like you got a gift from the gods yeah how could you not do that why would you not yeah you don't train bear stupid you think you train bears you train for a little bit we got him to ride a bike and while he's riding that bike he's going i want to eat that monkey god damn i want to eat that monkey not many times you can use that sentence yeah unless you're joey diaz

then you use it all day eat that monkey cocksucker um so you had all these experiences did it make you look at fighting any differently yeah yeah um this is going to sound kind of odd because i carried on fighting after the experience but i kind of saw the futility in it the pointlessness in it you know right i mean there's a british comedy that uh that kind of captures it really well they do like a parody of a like a soccer commercial and they're like you know talking about manchester united and arsenal and and they'll they'll win and they'll see who wins now and then next year it'll carry on just the same and there'll be more guys that win and you know what i mean it's the same thing like i could

be the champion for 10 years but once that 11th years comes there's going to be somebody else's champion it will just continue on forever and and it's it's it's the it's it's the the absolute core of of the capitalist approach to life is to actually beat someone down to take food out of their mouth which is really kind of odd and i've never seen it like that before normally it's like yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna beat the hell out of that guy i'm gonna take what he's got but now i i'm kind of i like the i like the i like the the competition i like the the actual uh physical test of fighting but not for the same reasons not not to like to be more successful than you know to can you can do can you continue with the same

passion having different ideas of what's important about fighting yeah because well the one thing that i was really starting to focus on uh you know with the emir fight since i went to peru with the emir fight and i went to peru with the emir fight and i'm going into the brown fight as well and and this is the reason why i would i would at least like the option to to carry on fighting you know i would like to be able to get cleared so i can you know i don't think i'll go back to fighting you know three times a year and chasing the belt because my focus is elsewhere now where's your focus well there's a space that you get to when uh do you read much carl sagan you read the dragons of eden no i have about the tree and brain and and uh i'm trying to i'm

trying to like understand the distinction between the different areas of the brain the reptilian brain which is obviously responsible for all the uh the the aggressiveness the the instinctual stuff um uh the the fighting and killing and all that kind of that's the reptilian brain the political side of us basically um and then after that then you've got like the old mammalian brain which is um where we start to make kind of like basic connections with people and understand that if we work as a group we can you know we can survive better and then the next level up is is obviously a higher consciousness is is having deeper understanding, deeper relationships and communications with people around you. But there's a point when you fight

where the reptilian brain takes over. And I usually feel it after I've been cracked a couple of times. Like when I was fighting Ludwig at the MGM, I was very conscious for the first 30 seconds or so of the fight. And then as I stepped in, you remember, he cracked me with that right hand right on the chin and i rushed him up against the fence and immediately i switched over to to instinct and it's it's like being a passenger it's like i'm not i have no conscious uh decision making ability in that in that time it's all instinct i'm not i'm not

focused at all on on what he's doing i'm just reading i'm just feeling and and i want it i want to find if i can get i want to see if i can get to that place for a longer period of time do you know what i mean like with the emir fight i felt like i would slip in and out of it like like the first round it was it was so overwhelming because it was hometown you know my name was being shouted like by you know 8 000 people or something and and and you know i live next to the arena so it occurred to me that if I lost that would be on my mind every time I looked out my window so the first round I lost it I mean I just I just kind of moved around and backed up and when I sat down in my corner after the first round I apologized

to my team I said I'm sorry I just had to get that out of the way but then the second and third round I felt like I could reach that that stage sometime where i just kind of allow my body to take over and just switch off and effectively just watch do you think that's what anderson's doing i think is that that's exactly what he's doing yeah but i don't know as he's aware of himself doing it do you know what i mean he's just so good that's how he locks in yeah i just think i just think when the fight starts he immediately switches over but you you can see it in people's eyes like vandalay is a great example if you watch one of vandalay's highlight reels where he's got a few of his stare downs he immediately switches to reptile mode as soon as he's fighting that's a great way

of putting it with him too it's true but you know and like manhoff is another one yeah those guys that have just they've just got that like instinctual rage it just kind of comes on but and and this is why like you know i've always kind of heard the term you know you you maintain 20 you maintain 20 percent of the things that you learn in the gym in the actual fight you know when adrenaline and and the actual fight is is is occurring you only kind of maintain like keep that 20 percent of what you've learned in the gym so the idea is being in the gym you train yourself to the point where it does become instinct and then when the fight happens you just switch to reptile mode and reptile mode uses the skills that you learn to to get the job done more efficiently do you think

that becoming more aware or reaching a higher state of consciousness because of your experiences will actually help you because it'll abandon a lot of the distractions that you present yourself almost unknowingly yeah well it helps me it helps me in training and particularly when i'm running now because i used to listen to like pantera and and yeah like vision of disorder when i was running and i'd work myself into like a rage so i would run to exhaustion that was kind of how i trained and i trained all the way through my career like that and the last couple of fights i've switched it up i've been listening to a lot more like more like binaural beat type of stuff when i'm running so i could get into more like a meditative uh stage you know doing a lot of yoga as well and trying to find the same thing

where you just you you you're within yourself and you're not focusing on anything else so your body's almost like on autopilot yeah that you the music that you listen to when you train can have a profound effect on how you approach your training. Yeah, it really can. It's so important, and that's why I've always been so vocal about all the stuff I listen to. I had a training camp playlist, so I'd tweet everyday songs I was listening to and that kind of thing.

It is important. And the other thing as well like earlier on in my career I would use music to anchor feelings so like like uh when I fought Ludwig I used a song called Iron by Woodkid which was the first time I'd switched it up from England Belongs to Me for like you know a bunch of fights um so like for the 12 weeks of that fight I was training with Frank Mir we were going up to up to Mount Charleston and out into Red Rock and like doing hill running and stuff. And we had some real tough sessions.

I mean, you know, we really put ourselves through it for that training camp. And as soon as I got back in my truck after the session, if I felt like it was a good session, it was productive and I felt positive, I would put that song on.

And so I would constantly connect those feelings to that song. So then when I'm walking out and that song comes on, immediately I get that feeling again. And it's just like when you listen to a song and you think of a person. Like, oh, I heard that song when I was with that person. And you make that connection immediately. But you can also train yourself to do it.

I listen to Cypress Hill now, and it will take me back to fighting in Cage Warriors back in 2006. Wow. And I have songs all the way through that I now don't listen to. My first two fights, I came out to Pantera, dragged the waters. By the time I got to the cage, I was so wound up and so angry that I just ran out of gas immediately. You know what I mean? And now whenever I listen to those songs,

I get that feeling of exhaustion. That's hilarious. Yeah. People have sex songs that remind them of sex, songs that remind you of disappointment, songs that remind you of ex-girlfriends. Why did you connect sex to disappointment? It's just standard, isn't it?

Isn't that how it goes? Most of the time we're disappointed. Sex songs are like something crazy from the spin doctor. So what's next from here? Your focus has moved slightly off of fighting, and you still are interested in fighting, and you're still interested in seeing what sort of state you can achieve inside the octagon. What else are you going to do with your time?

Well, I've been having a lot of ideas um a lot of uh i've had a few ceremonies recently with various things and i've i've i've got a quite a clear direction of where i want to go um i would like i want to get clear to fight i would like to be able to fight again um even if it's just you know once a year once every 18 months or something just and just have a fight with like someone that's going to be a fun fight where i can kind of test some of these theories and see where i'm at physically right um but i'm going to start i'm going to start uh a video blogging my training sessions because uh i do all kinds of stuff i do a lot a lot of bickham yoga a lot of hot yoga um trail running kettlebell sessions uh and then then i want to be able to go into the gym and work on specific

things like like last night i went into uh 10th planet van nuys and just kind of had a roll around with those guys and i enjoyed it because because there was it was very very playful there was no like agenda i had no agenda because i was just i was in the moment you're just learning and exactly and then and obviously when you go to training camp everything's always like i've always felt like i was wishing my life away because I'm constantly waiting for a date that's five, six weeks ahead. So I'm never in the moment. I'm always in the moment, you know, that's, that's, that's to come. then he just like he just will go box for like six weeks or yeah eight weeks just only boxing concentrate only on that then he'll do jiu-jitsu in new york yeah he'll go there with donna here and train with him for six weeks yeah so i just i just want to do that i'm going to take a trip out to um at southeast asia and do a little tour of thailand are you going to become a shaman

dan hardy i don't know i feel like you are on that path. I'm moving in an interesting direction. But I want to start kind of promoting more of an alternative lifestyle of what I'm doing, what with my diet and my teacher plants, medicines, and my approach to training and health. I'm really, really focused on getting strong and flexible right now. That's my main focus. Through kettlebells and bodyweight exercises and lots of stretching. And I'm just kind of interested to see where this journey is going to go. My goal is to basically get paid to be myself. That's what I want to do.

And to improve yourself. Yeah. And test yourself. Exactly. I have sponsors right now that are supportive. prove yourself yeah so it's not yourself exactly so and and you know kind of you know i have i have sponsors right now that are supportive obviously you know what with zions and fear the fighter and and venom and you know i want them to to continue to support me and and while i'm on this quest and doing all this kind of interesting stuff so i figured if i put a video blog out there for people

to watch this you know it gives them a that's a great idea a bit more of a connection wolf cam i think i'm gonna call it yeah it's called the wolf cam fuck yeah um yeah oh yeah so that's pretty good yeah so so i think i think that's what i'm gonna do um i have some other ideas as well um i have a i have a few people to speak to about some some business ideas that i have again all within the same if it's illegal don't admit it on this podcast it's most definitely not illegal okay good um at least not in peru no no uh like you know try and help promote a more clean and conscious lifestyle so what is your diet now i'm predominantly vegan now i thought we'd get into this i heard this dark on me, you son of a bitch. I'm not giving it a name because it's not really got a name. My approach to animal products are I will have animal products occasionally if I know that it's from a source that I'm comfortable with.

Like hunted meat or free-range chicken or something like that? Exactly. I will eat fish all day long because fish don't even take care of the babies that's that that's my logic on fish but anybody who doesn't eat fish is crazy but what about from a selfish point of view if you know if you don't know where the fish is from like if you went out to a restaurant and it was just farm raised it's not good a lot of farm raised stuff is not good. A lot of farm-raised stuff is not good because, first of all, a lot of times they're exposed to higher levels of mercury, apparently, or higher levels of toxins. Because if you're in, like, these tanks of water or farms of all fish and shit on each other, it's just – It's not a healthy environment.

It doesn't taste as good. No. I mean, it's better than not eating it. It doesn't taste as good. I mean, it's better than not eating it. I mean, it's not that bad, but I think that it's been proven that when you see red, deep red salmon, and then you see the salmon that you get, like this farm-raised salmon where they have to dye it pink, it's been proven that that wild stuff tastes better.

There's something better about it. It's probably better for you. I don't know if it's better for you, but it's probably better for you. I tweeted something the other day i was in a store in uh boise idaho and uh it was a it was a photograph of um the ingredients of a bottle of soda and one of the ingredients was artificial wild cherries that's hilarious welcome to america monsanto probably owns the patent on artificial wild cherries so so we were talking about this and i got into my theory of uh of stoner language the style like stoner understandings of the world like things that things that you see if you smoke

weed that other people that smoke weed don't and that's that kind of thing artificial wild cherries wow i tweeted that yeah um that's hilarious it's like really funny like people that's that kind of thing. Artificial wild cherries. Wow. I tweeted that. You tweeted that? Yeah. That's hilarious. It is really funny. Like people that don't use plants in various ways don't see these things. They don't pick up on these things. Sometimes they do.

Artificial wild cherries. People can. No, I'm not a 100% proponent of all people using marijuana because I know some people can't. Well, yeah. I know they can't. But you know when you hear somebody say something like that, you're like, yeah, that guy's a stoner. Yeah, there's certain things that people say where you automatically know this guy gets high. But I have friends

that seem like they get high and they don't get high. Like Stanhope. Doug Stanhope totally seems like he would get high, but he doesn't get high. He doesn't like it. It makes him feel paranoid. He doesn't like it. It doesn't make him feel paranoid. He doesn't like it at all. Maybe some people are just naturally inclined to be like that. I couldn't tell.

I feel like it's obvious when you look at terrible people that someone's brain works different than your brain or my brain. When you see a guy like Gandhi, for sure his brain were different than my brain there's just no doubt about it he also had his own path and he also had his own intentions in his own life but i just can't imagine that his interpretation of life was the same as my interpretation of life and if that's the case how the fuck do i know what pot does to you how the fuck would i know i you know i know people can't smoke it they smoke it and then they'll wake up three days later with their pants off in the jungle you know like i don't know sounds like a good weekend maybe unless one of those wandering spiders gets you and gives you

a hard-on until you die i spent two weeks walking around the jungle in my underwear how dare you sir did you get nervous at all nothing biting you nothing you feel like you had the secret on your sides and you're putting out the positive vibes i felt like i was very connected to it all like like i wasn't gonna mess with anything they weren't gonna mess with me it was yeah did you see jaguars in your iowa i didn't i could hear no we could hear them though yeah because the jungle was literally like outside of the oh dude wait a minute so you're on iowas can you hear jaguars uh-! Yeah. What do you hear? What do you hear? You could just hear them fighting occasionally.

Yeah, yeah. Just come into contact occasionally with each other. Come on. Does that make you shit your pants? Not as much as the plane going over. That was really scary. Oh, the little... Yeah. No, we were on a flight path for Iquitos,

which is like the nearest airport, and like at 8.30 every night, so like 30 minutes into the ceremony. Like we were in, it's called the Moloka, the ceremonial building. It was like a big circular wooden building. And it's got net up to like, you know, about a meter high, sorry,

a net a meter high off the floor. So you're like in the jungle pretty much. There's not much separating you. And there's all kinds of noises and crazy stuff going on. And it kind of becomes comfortable after a while but the bugs are really loud right yeah they are and the frogs as well but the plane was such an such an alien kind of sound because we only heard it a couple of times a day and the you know the last time we heard it was 8 30 at night just after we'd had a you know the dose

of ayahuasca and it started to come on the next thing i can hear is over my head and i'm and i can feel everybody else's consciousness on that plane i'm like i know there are like you know like 250 people up there and i'm like feeling all of that kind of energy go over it was really weird and it happened every night every ceremony and those third world plane flights them them's a little different son yeah those chickens in the back tied down with fucking duct tape you saw that plane crash that happened like last week that freaked me out did you see that from afghanistan there was a cargo plane and they think that the cargo shifted the load shifted like it wasn't tied down properly and when that happens if the load shifts the plane just

immediately all the weight goes to the front or the back of the plane. It just nosedived. Wow. Ooh. Yeah. It's pretty fucked up. We'll end on that for a nice, beautiful, cheery way to end. Just to let everybody know that you can defy gravity for short periods of time every now and again. but if you fuck up and or it fucks up or this mechanical failure or jesus christ imagine watching that wow

wow imagine being on that bus driving past it oh my god that bus almost got hit by a plane that fell from the sky it's like it's. It's like seeing our final destination 16 or something. One day when we have magnetic UFO-looking things that can't even run into each other because they have magnets on the outside, so they go like this when they bounce off each other. We'll look at plane crashes. I think they're probably already on it.

You think? Yeah. They always talk about whenever serious physicists discuss the possibility of space travel, like interstellar space travel, like Stanton Friedman, how could aliens be doing it? One of the things they always concentrate on is some sort of magnetic drive. The guy, Dr. Robert Lazar, he's an often criticized gentleman who claimed to work at Area 51. Yeah. But whether or not that guy told the truth, I don't know.

But he described some sort of back engineering that they were doing at Area 51, and it was some sort of magnetic drive. The idea is that you figure out how to use magnets or something to overcome gravity and to create a little hole in space and time and just fly around through that. Whatever the fuck I even said, Dan Hardy, I don't even understand. It shouldn't be legal for me to say what I just said because I don't even know what the fuck it means. Wow. I got really into aliens when I was younger. When I was in my teens, it was like everything was aliens. I really hope I get to experience some kind of contact before I die. Did you see this latest disclosure, these five days of disclosure hearings on Capitol Hill?

No. Dude. Dude. Crazy shit. Really? All these different, you know, the real problem with any sort of UFO thing is that it looks silly. It looks silly. you saying you saw a ufo makes you a silly person more silly even than ayahuasca because at least ayahuasca has a great

body of evidence to support what's going on neurochemically but you're saying that you saw a ufo you immediately become a silly person all these like former military people all these people that were air traffic controllers pilots all these people report these unbelievably unique experiences. I don't know if they're telling the truth or not. But if they were telling the truth, if just one of these things happened every now and again, of course it would seem ridiculous to us on the outside. The people sitting down here, it's natural to criticize it and make fun of it and laugh at it because it is kind of crazy to think that. But if just one of those is true, if just one of those are a real craft from another dimension, from another planet, you don't think that that's possible? You're silly.

If you don't think that within – from here in every direction, infinite space, what does that that even mean we don't even know what the fuck that means right i don't even comprehend that there's gotta be something out there that's i think it's a thing that is not if we survive if we little pesky humans figure out how to keep going for another couple million years who knows what the fuck we're gonna figure out yeah to think that somebody else can't be out there and what would we do if someone was out there we would go check them out. Yeah, of course. We would fuck yeah we'd check them out.

Yeah. We'd go to the Congo. We'd go to the Congo and we'd check out tribes. We'd check out tribes of fishermen that are hanging off fucking trees, picking up fish with nets. We'd go watch them. What do you think about the theory of the interaction with our history and how they've helped guide us? It's all speculation yeah complete speculation because you don't know whether or not you look at an ancient when you

look at ancient drawings you don't know what's fantasy you don't know what's a story you don't know what's uh their version of uh the fucking the hobbit you know they might make up stories you know who knows it could be their version of twilight that's what when you look at it aliens in the wall it's their version like they told a stupid what, when you look at it, aliens in the wall. It's their version. Like they told a stupid story to make everybody go to sleep. Who knows? We know that it's art. We've seen in their art these depictions that closely resemble what we would think to be alien spacecrafts or alien beings.

But we don't really know what the fuck it is. It's not that much evidence. It's a small amount of evidence. There's a few cool videos, you know, that are like, hmm, what is that? I don't know what the fuck that is. I don't even know if it's real. It of evidence there's a few cool videos you know they're like hmm what is that i don't know what the fuck they don't even know if it's real it's hard to tell but if it happened to you man you'd fucking know yeah and that's what you can't discount you can't discount the possibility of unique experience but once you've had a dmt trip aliens seem like so passe it's like it's just kind of matter of fact i think it's kind of like well yeah of course well not only that it's like it's just kind of matter of fact i think it's kind of like well yeah of course well

not only that it's like to have that experience like a ship lands and they get out it would be so less bizarre because it's all taking place right here you can see it it's external what's taking place also in the dimension that we're comfortable with where we can walk on the grass and feel the grass where we step on rocks we feel the rocks under our shoe, your car is parked over there, you see the clouds above you, and then everything is basically normal except this new introduced element into your environment that you have to now accept. Oh, it's a fucking little dude from another planet.

Holy shit, this really is true. That's nothing compared to a DMT trip. Because a DMT trip, the dimension that you exist in becomes of vibrant, glowing colors with no background and constantly changing geometric patterns that are fractal and they're infinite. That's way crazier than an alien landing. Yeah. But the thing is, we're in an environment now where, particularly with the internet, we've effectively seen most things. I remember when I was in China and I was walking down the street with a friend of mine who was like you know 230 pound ripped black dude and these chinese dudes were

just in awe they just they just stood stood and watched him as he walked down the street like the green mile exactly so then you know like and then think back to like uh i don't know you know when when the romans were fighting different tribes and they were taking elephants with them like when they took elephants to britannia like there's a there's a tube station in london called elephant and castle which was you know this elephant crossing crossing this plane with this dude sitting on top riding it and the barbarians that were living there at the time just lost their shit and ran away like why wouldn't you you know what i mean yeah but we don't have those experiences anymore

because we've seen everything. Or, you know, we might see something that's a new species, but it's only a variation of something that's already familiar to us. Right. Like, imagine seeing an elephant for the first time if you've lived in, like, I don't know, England. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. It would blow your mind. When did they know that elephants existed? When was it first documented? I don't know. By Western world. Obviously, Africans, you know, would be listening to this going, know that elephants existed when was it first documented by western world obviously africans you know would be listening to this going bitch we've known about elephant for 70 000 years

when did you figure out elephant they were like when did oh when did the civilized folk learn of the larger animals on the plains you know when did they discover when did people discover elephants oh it wasn't until 1900 but white people got down there proper people imagine when the explorers like first saw a giraffe yeah how much would that blow your mind well i guess we grew up with them though didn't we i mean if if you believe that human life emanated from the lower hominids that existed in africa and came down from the rainforest into the grasslands, we would have probably been around them. But would they still not seem unfamiliar?

It would be alien as well. Like if you were from like Mongolia. Oh yeah, then it'd be alien as well. If you came over from, I mean, essentially if you go anywhere where you haven't been there before and they have some new shit, you're like, what are you doing with fucking kangaroos everywhere? What the fuck? I have a friend named Eddie Ift. He's a stand-up comic and uh he's done very well in australia

and he goes over there quite a bit and one of the things he told me was that he first encountered a kangaroo kangaroos have killed people like many times like they will fucking rip you apart and he didn't know how big they got there's two kangaroos like a red one and a gray one i guess one of them is giant. One of them is like nine feet tall. And he was out in this guy's yard and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue because it was too big. He started walking towards it because it was nine feet tall. Wow.

And he was like, well, that's not really a kangaroo. A kangaroo is not that tall. And his friends go, stop walking and turn around now. Get the fuck away from that thing. And the kangaroo looks at him. And all of a sudden he realizes, oh, Jesus, this is a nine-foot squirrel that's about to fuck me up. Yeah, that's a scary thought. It's a nine-foot jumping squirrel that will kick your guts out.

Yeah. Yikes. But the thing is, my point still stands out. He's still seeing what a kangaroo looks like, even if he's not expecting a nine-foot one. Right. Even if a velociraptor showed up right now in this room. We've seen it. We've kind of seen it.

We kind of know what they look like. There's no surprises. But an alien landing, that's still kind of a shock to the system. But then again, on top of that, the DMT realm is completely removed altogether. Yeah, and aliens, the problem I always have with aliens is they look so much like us in the future yeah i always wonder whether or not like i mean the the big the grand theory is the simulation theory that we're living inside some sort of artificial reality and that the aliens really are us and that's why we have this weird image of that being us in the future. We're already there. And we didn't like it.

It sucks. It's boring. We sort of evolved the fun out of life. So we've created this crazy simulation that we all exist in. That's the grand theory. That's the grand theory involving the aliens, for me at least. Okay. That's why they look like us.

And that's why they have big black things for their eyes. We fuck the environment so hard that you have to have sunglasses everywhere you just everywhere you go you have to have built-in sunglasses so we just artificially create sunglasses for each other just put giant fucking black things over your eyes done dan don't worry about the fucking hyper violent rays or whatever is out there and we're jacking you we have really long fingers from texting exactly well at that point in time you probably control everything with your mind so yeah there's probably no need for muscles that's why they're so skinny

there's little tiny dudes with giant heads and they control everything with their minds do you think do you think we could potentially evolve to that state unquestionably really no doubt about it i think that if we can send to this day i might this computer's not hooked up to anything dan hardy but yet it's on the internet. It's getting the internet through the space around us. You're telling me that that can't eventually be human consciousness itself traveling through space through some sort of a mechanism

for generating it or promoting it or projecting it? Do you know the fart theory, Dan? It's coming. You know the fart theory? I don't know the fart theory. My alien fart theory is this. If someone farted and you didn't have a sense of smell, you'd have no idea that you're sitting in someone's fart. Because you can't see it. You really don't know.

And farts are like a real fart. You're like, oh my god. You'll get the fuck out. You close your mouth. But you don't see a damn thing. Somehow or another, you've been affected by something that you didn't pick up with your normal senses or with all of your normal senses. You heard it and then you smelt it but you saw nothing yeah how do we not know there's not an infinite amount of things all around us all the time that we just do not have the ability to detect so that we're

quantified that's your argument for people that laugh at you when you use the word uh use the term energy like we start talking about energy and stuff and like bros like oh yeah yeah whatever whatever bros yeah bros are always a problem. It's always about a fart though. Can't smell a fart. Yeah, and you don't know what the fuck that is. That's energy. Yeah.

Yeah. And the bigger the dude, the more likely the more energy he's going to put in his farts. You know? I mean, if Tony Hinchcliffe farts, if Joey Diaz farts,

which way do you want to lean? You mean when Tony queefs. Come on. Hey, easy. Easy. Come on, man.

Listen, Dan Hardy, you're a bad motherfucker. And I'll have you on anytime you're around, man. Anytime you want man. Listen, Dan Hardy, you're a bad motherfucker. And I'll have you on any time you're around, man. Any time you want to come back. We could do this for, I have to leave. Otherwise, I would keep going forever. But I think you and I could talk for a long time.

And we've been friends for a long time, man. You're a cool motherfucker. I like you. And I'm really, I'm very appreciative of how you are evolving as a human being. I think it's really fascinating to watch. And I congratulate you on your travels. Thank you. Well, I'll be out helping Mac out and stuff.

So you're going to be for a while. I'll be around in California, and I'll kind of start getting... Let's do it again in a couple weeks. Let's do that. Let's do it again. Powerful Dan Hardy. All right, my brother. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

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