The Joe Rogan Experience - #385 - Duane Ludwig, T.J. Dillashaw

Episode Date: August 26, 2013

Duane Ludwig is a former mixed martial arts fighter and currently is the head coach of Team Alpha Male.  T.J. Dillashaw is a mixed martial arts fighter currently fighting in the bantamweight division of the UFC.

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Sirius Secret. They throw it away. Sometimes our best work is done before we even get started. So then, where do they go for those sweet-ass shirts you're wearing? They go to DwayneBang.com, bitch. I'm wearing an affiliate. Bang Muay Thai. Dwayne and TJ and I just got back from a garage training session,

old school, like Gracie in action, 1993. Yeah, I got Matt set up in my garage. We had a sweet workout. That was fun, man. Really cool. That's a badass setup you have. You're really enthusiastic, man. I could tell you're really enjoying this transition from being a professional fighter to being a professional coach.

And for folks who don't know, Dwayne, for a long time, had fastest knockout in UFC history. They tried to deny you, but we would not let them. We forced that shit down their throat. They were trying to give it to Todd Duffy, who had a very fast knockout, no doubt about it. It was pretty close. But you still had him. You edged him. But the referee fucked up.

They gave it to you like 10 seconds, but it was really like six. On the clock, it said four. Four? The duration of the bout is from the bell sounds to the ref's start or fight and then to one of the refs or until the ref touches one of the opponents. Right. So from start to touch, that's what we count? Correct.

Okay. So even if the bell rings before? So they start. Does the bell ring in the beginning? Boxing it used to. It doesn't with MMA, right? They just say fight. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't even know. How the fuck do I not know? Why don't we hear him? I don't hear TJ. Here we go. Try it again? Why don't we hear him? I don't hear TJ. Here we go. Try that again. Yeah, I'm usually too amped up to even hear a bell. How much do you hear when you're out there?

Do you hear Dwayne in your corner cheering it? Yeah, I can hear Justin Buckles usually the most because he's real loud. He's always in my corner and then Dwayne as well, yeah. So that's all you hear? Just that and then the rest is just noise? For the most part. I mean, you can hear like when the crowd gets excited, you kind of hear that, but you don't pay attention to it. You just kind of try to focus in what you're supposed to.

Have you ever been in a fight where they booed? No. That's a weird moment, right? When dudes are not doing anything, and you know that they can hear it? Because it's never a boo during a wild scramble, right? And the wild scrambles, I would imagine the ones where you have the least memory of what the fuck is going on like sound wise you're so so like tuned into it

right so what you asked me is we hear them booing yeah oh yeah i have i've heard for sure 100 do you do you feel responsibility when you hear that like what's your feeling a little bit just depends on the game plan and the fight and what's going on yeah and you know because sometimes the game plan can be to just sit back, let him come to us, let him boo, I don't give a fuck, let him come to me, run into something stupid, that's sweet. So it could be like who's going to crack first? Who's going to give in to these boos and do something stupid

that gets off of their game plan? And that's the main thing with these fighters and myself is to control our own emotions because if we don't control us, how are we going to control them initially? And that's just one of those things. If the crowd's going to boo and you know make this guy make a stupid mistake or to finally come in or you know come in our game plan or whatever the scenario may be then sweet you know let the crowd dictate what he's going to do hopefully he makes a mistake

let him run to us we keep our composure we stick to the game plan we adjust on the fly we make things happen you know i'm an unusual um mma fan and that i've probably seen like live i've seen you know more than a thousand fights and and had to call them so i've been involved in so many different scenarios so many fights watching it play out like classic all-time great mma fights i've had the honor to call but i i am different in that i like boring styles. I like a dude who takes no damage and smothers guys and just imposes his will. A lot of people used to give John Fitch a hard time. I swear to God, John Fitch is one of my favorite fighters to watch. And people will yell at me, they're like, you're a fucking idiot.

He's ruining MMA. Or Ben Askren. Same thing. Ben Askren is one of my favorite fighters to watch. Ben Askren is a fucking glove. He just wraps a hole to you. That's real, okay? He's stifling really exciting, energetic strikers.

I mean, like, who was that fucking guy that he fought, the fucking hardcore striker recently? He fought this Russian dude, and then before it, he fought that guy that Vice did a piece on him. Lionel? Lionel Lionel What the fuck is this? I have no idea god damn, and I'm not up on Bellator. I too much to pay attention I'll find the gentleman's the Ascrans got to be so strong man that guy's gonna be like unbelievably strong

Well, it's not just strong. He seems to always be in the right place Yeah You know like this positioning is and it's also his paths are so weird Like usually when I'm watching a guy roll like say, say, like, here's a real easy example. The guy's, like, a blue belt on the ground. And I'm watching his transition from, like, takedown to, like, making a mount or trying to make a mount or trying to get side control. I can see what he's doing. I see it real obvious.

But with Asker, I'm like, why is he grabbing... Oh, that arm. Oh, what the fuck? How did he get there? It's like he's doing this weird shit. oh, that arm. Oh, what the fuck? How did he get there?

It's like he's doing this weird shit. He's like going behind guys and getting underhooks on their back arm and fucking wrenching them in weird ways and tying their legs up. And he's always in a weird spot. So you can't have this motherfucker off you. If you watch any of his wrestling matches, 100% that way.

He was like nothing like super technical, but a funky guy. Like he did everything funky. Well, I think it is technical. It's just technical in his way. And so it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing. He's, like, super successful at it. It's not like he's just this guy that's sort of making up karate.

You know, like, we've all seen those kung fu videos where dudes are just making shit up. You know, I've gotten them mad at me before. I make up shit all the time. But, I mean, this is a different kind of making shit up. Like, a guy throws a punch. Well, I'm right here. I attack the liver with a monkey paw. And they're talking about different techniques that they do.

Well, you can tell literally while they're doing it that they're making it up as they go along. You should have done the show on that, Joe. I can't believe you didn't do a whole episode of fake Kung Fu. That would have been fun as fuck. Well, I think if we did a second season, that is what I would want to do. Those dudes who do the crazy touches. Have you ever seen the videos of the Kung Fu masters who just throw people through the air with their hands? Yeah, yeah.

There's a ghetto one where there's this dude, and I don't know what it is, but he's a very ghetto-looking character. I mean, not just because he's black, but just the way he's black. You know what I'm talking about? I mean, the whole thing is it's a ghetto environment. I mean, he's not in Idaho, okay?

And he's throwing these Kung fu moves at these people. And he's got them shaking, like exaggerated, like wobbling back and forth. Like they're getting hit by a pulse from a movie. And you're like, what is going on here? Are they crazy? Like is this mass hypnosis? Is this just a big scam? Or does he really have magic power?

Those are the possibilities. I had a guy on this week's episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything who said that he can make people fart in church. He reverses the net. He was hilarious. The guy was fucking hilarious. But he stood there, and at one point in time, he said he could get me to move back and forth with his mind.

And he, like, tried to get me to – I'm not going to tell you if it worked or didn't work. Didn't fucking work. Of course it didn't work. What the fuck is wrong with you? Jesus Christ. I couldn't lie to you like that. But the dude, like, was convinced that he – and I was – while he was doing it, I was like, what if I just give in to this guy and start moving? And I can't believe I'm doing it.

Like, what if it's – I had to, and start moving? And I can't believe I'm doing it. Like, what if it's – I had to, like, stand firm. I had to make sure. I'm like, I'm not fucking going anywhere. This shit is not working on me. But if you were, like, a person who is easily led, like maybe the type of person who would join a cult, the type of person who, like, loses themselves in another person's influence, which is a real psychological dilemma.

Like, the reason why cults work, like, if you look in the newspaper and you hear about some crazy cult where the guy's fucking all the girls and, you know, he's got 13-year-old wives and shit and 50 of them, you go, how the hell did that happen? I don't, we don't know. But it happens.

There's people that just fall under the spell. So when you see someone doing that fucking crazy cheese shit and making people fly through the air it's like wow like what's happening here yeah with the I guess going back to like John Fitch and Askren you just have you know oh not all we don't know everything but you have a lot more martial arts

information you understand what's going on you understand the scenario people are still stuck in the mind frame just seeing bloody wars well I mean I admit that I'm very I admit that I'm very unusual in that I'm more than willing to watch some boring shit if it has the potential of getting exciting.

Even if it gets through the entire fight and then in the third round dude figures out how to stuff the takedown and lands a big shot. Oh shit, Fitch is hurt. Or Fitch gets his back and starts to put him away. If it takes all this 50% punches for three fucking rounds until there's an explosive moment, I like that. I like that because I know that the guy on the bottom does not want that to be happening.

But yet it's happening. So that's real. That's why I fucking hate stand-ups. And people be like, you know, man, stand-ups fucking, you know, you gotta fucking protect the sport. Sport sucks if everybody's just gonna blanket hump. No! you know that guy doesn't want to get blanking up Do you understand that like that is real you can't deny that that dude is holding that motherfucker down You can't deny it you can't just make them stand up if it's boring tough shit tough shit get off the bottom I'm in favor of stand-ups. I should save me

So I'm off for the stand-up well That shit saved me. If it wasn't for that fucking stand-up, I probably would have lost that fight. So, I'm all for the stand-ups. Dwayne, we should say, world Muay Thai champion, one of the most technical strikers ever in MMA, so of course you love the stand-up. Your ground game's no joke, but you're obviously, you have a big advantage.

You always had a big technical advantage, like amir from tough mr yeah he he's a very like very good muay thai fighter and that fight that you had with him was amazing because it was a perfect example of your technical like he he fought you in your world and there was just this clear technique advantage like like the stuff that you were trying to show me today you like about movement and about throwing punches and and and closing distance and and being in the right here and about really small spaces you leave the

littlest like one of the things you kept saying put your hands by your face if you don't and then my hands would be at your face which one would you like more it's like really simple really simple but very technical and that like showed itself in that fight because amir is very competent he's a very good fighter you know but you caught him early i think it was a left hook you heard him with the left hook and then you opened it up and then from that on he was like you were just taking your shots it was your fight you were dictating the dance yeah i love watching that man i you know i don't I don't need a knockout. I appreciate knockouts, absolutely,

but I also appreciate people shutting people down. I appreciate when a guy is like, you know, Mighty Mouse, you know, used to get that rap, but it was really just because he was fighting guys like Ian McCall or because he was fighting guys like Benavidez. You're fighting really fucking tough guys you're not going to put these guys away but you know we saw in his last fight against maraga he's still trying to finish it like always and so like that fight like he beat maraga for four rounds

before he finished him but he still finished him like he was he was beating him clearly but he still took him out if the finish didn't happen there would be a lot of people that say, oh, I don't like watching Mighty Mouse fight. You know, it's fucking boring. But no, that's not boring at all. It's awesome. You just got to understand what you're watching art right there. You're educated, though. Yeah.

Guy got hit once. I mean, literally got caught once. One big shot in the fourth round. And worked his way through it with no problem. His nose is fucking bleeding. I mean, Moraga can bang, and he caught that dude right on the chin. So what you're dealing with is like,

he's a perfect specimen. He's got everything. He's got technique, he's got heart, he's got intelligence, he always comes in in shape, and he tries to finish the fight. He's a fucking champion.

I mean, Mighty Mouse is a fucking champion. Yeah, he's great, man. But I've heard people say, like, I don't like watching those little guys fight, and they don't even finish. You don't even know

what you're talking about. You're just watching the best guys go at it and a lot of times they neutralize each other because the level of technique is so fucking high. At 125 and 135, TJ, where you fight, that fucking level of technique is through the roof, man. That's a fun thing here at Team Alpha Male right here, but there in Team Alpha Male.

Everyone's been pointing the finger at me like I'm the secret pill and everything, but I have world-class athletes 100 world-class athletes they don't get any better than these guys you know now they have what i feel is the proper information so here you go proper proper information with world-class athletes they really have no choice but to get better it's pretty simple stuff you know and just like we did over the private today just simple basic stuff need to understand what they're doing and why they're doing it so they can branch off from there. But I'm definitely making sure that I'm tailoring to the athlete.

I'm not going to make them Dwayne Ludwig. I want to make them better athletes for themselves. But here's the correct way. Okay, you can make that way work. Okay, you can make it work. Okay, good. Let's make it work. Let's add that to the system.

That's your style. Cool, I'll adapt to you. But the same thing like Mighty Mouse. Can you teach somebody to be Mighty Mouse? Some of the aspects, but not all of it. He's got to be his own athlete. We're all individual athletes. Just like your sidekick today and your spinning kicks. They're world class.

And that can be taught. You take a million reps, but correct reps as well. Pay attention to detail. Yeah, people have to know what they're doing. It's one of the things that Eddie Bravo always stresses about certain guard techniques. They're like, well, I keep doing it and people keep breaking out of it. Well, when you learn a wheel kick, you don't learn how to nail people with it every time most of the time you're gonna miss you're gonna go oh this doesn't

work and then you'll get in there with your raya hall or somewhere that level and they'll wheel kick you in the face you go oh my god this is the craziest technique ever it's a guaranteed knockout i mean you're literally hitting a guy with your whole fucking body behind a heel think how hard your goddamn heel is people break their knuckles all the time. You ever break a heel? No. You don't break your heel. It's a goddamn hammer at the bottom of your foot and it's carrying your body weight around all day. And the amount of force that you can fuck. But it ain't gonna work right away. You gotta

learn how to do it. It's like everything else. You gotta do the reps until you get to that black belt level at it. There's some techniques that guys can do in jiu-jitsu. And the reason they can do it, the reason why they go, like, if a guy gets a nasty darts, like some people get darts and their arms will burn out and they'll never finish them. But then there's those dudes that have that fucking razor darts, you know, that whoosh,

whang, and they clamp that bitch down and you know you're not getting out of that motherfucker because they put insane amount of reps into it. And so even though the movement may look similar to someone who's not educated in it, when you're watching and if you know a guy who really closes off something really good, you go, oh, shit. Like Marcelo Garcia, if you ever watch him roll with his guillotine.

I didn't know anybody could close off a guillotine that quick until I saw him do it. Like Uriah Faber has a nasty guillotine. So does Benavidez. All you guys at Team Alpha Male have sick guillotines. It's like you're known for it. Nasty guillotine. So does Benavidez. All you guys at Team Alpha Male have sick guillotines. It's like you're known for it. But there's like a 16th of a second quicker that Marcello will slap it on than anybody.

You know what I mean? Whereas you recognize Uriah has a world-class guillotine. That shit is a vice grip. But you watch him do it and you watch Marcello and it's like, ooh, he's on another level. This motherfucker's got a 16th of a second quicker closure or something like that There's like just just a little bit of a step Lock it up like he taps guys that I never see get tapped like we're talking about Askren There's a fantastic video of Marcelo rolling with Askren and just manhandling him just tapping

I'm tapping I'm tapping let me tapping him like he would tap You know like anybody and it's crazy when you know how good a wrestler ask him yeah do you know there's so many weird levels to this that's the thing especially with this level of athletes in the ufc we're doing split seconds and fractions of an inch you know like shit's got to be perfect but perfect it's just making having you land that strike and not get hit you hit and don't get hit we're good you know but we're doing split fucking seconds so that's just the way it's got to be what a crazy exciting job you have that's what i love my job i fucking do yeah it's like you know going from uh you know i've been you know training like full bore since

i was 15 now i'm 35 so i've been 20 years you know career but i've been training people since i was 19 anyway i've always understood the game kind of broke it down as i've been self-taught a lot although like trevor whitman my boxing coach showed me a lot boss rewan has been like my main you know contributor to my arts as well. And then I've trained Michael Winklejohn and Greg Jackson. I've crossed paths with a lot of people, Japan, Thailand, Holland. I trained Ramon Dekas for two weeks. I've crossed paths with a lot of people.

But a lot of my stuff is just self-taught from DVDs and YouTube and the Internet. So I've been able to break things down myself because I had to learn it myself. And then teaching people. I took the pads, gave them to Trevor Whitman, and like this is I know how to hold pads for me this is what I need you to look out for so I taught him to train me so because of that and then he's he's an artist the guy can draw he's just very detailed very analytical so that transferred back over to me so we were just a good relationship and then I had another guy Christian Allen and that guy is the best mitt holder I've ever seen ever worked worked with. That guy can hold some freaking mitts, and he is a

ninja. If he had, if he believed in himself a bit more, he could be the UFC champion 100%. Some guys just have it physically, just not so much mentally, and that's a good thing here. These guys are all world-class athletes. The wrestling mentality, I don't have to babysit anybody. They come in, they put in the

work, the quality reps, they help each other. We're drilling, you know, we're building the counter eye, looking for the openings before, during, and after there's openings. Where are they at? Let's register them. Let's see the idiosyncrasies. What are they doing when they're nervous? What is their position? I just want to keep them in good position. So there's just a bunch of little small things. It's nothing, no magic pill, just simple basic stuff, reiterating a million times correctly from the get-go. So that's one thing I've learned from from trevor whitman from all my travels just to break things down because i'm not a super athletic guy so i've had to learn things from the technical aspect and break them down so that they

work for me same thing eddie bravo story so he's not you know a great athlete so you kind of break things down but that's another thing too with jujitsu and thai boxing jujitsu is slower it's a slower paced thing but also the mental aspect You know you're not getting punched in the face. You can relax a little bit. You know if you get caught in an armbar or a triangle, you're going to tap. You have more seconds to respond. You know you're not going to die. In striking, people still freak out.

People don't like to get punched. I don't like to get punched in the face, but it takes a certain human being to go ahead and relax and build that composure. So I can take a guy and show him a technique or a drill or a combination, and then he can spar with it. Well, how about between the mitts and the sparring? That's a pretty big gap how are we going to deal with that gap yeah we're going to do this drill with a little bit of sparring okay now you can punch but you can't kick things like that we're going to break it down into pieces we're adding a little bit of heat to the flame you know a little bit more slower and slower and that's what these guys have great fucking technique and great control there's nothing like wrestling you know people get so good at wrestling because

they can relax they can relax. They can relax. They're not going to get punched in the face. Well, let's not punch them in the face so hard. So I have a million drills for these guys to work with. It's simple. You see basic stuff. And again, I love my job. And the ADD kicks in and I jump around my conversations.

So it's good, man. For those who don't understand what you're talking about as far as mitt work, what mitt work is is when a guy holds the pads for you and you hit the pads. And there's a lot to it. There's a lot to getting a guy to do it correctly. There's a lot to getting a guy that does it and making you throw combinations that are realistic combinations that work good or work with you. A guy who can take power shots to the arms.

Because when you're kicking the shit out of the fucking pads, guys get bad elbows. After a while, it goes, right right you have to be strong as shit that's one thing i have too is hyperflexion from uh just being relaxed and receiving kicks and have my elbows just come back too far and then i cross body and half guard you know i have my arms just getting so much my last few fights i couldn't spar because if a punch came and hyperflex my elbows they would just swell up and it would just hurt wow like the timing and things like it would just slow the dimension because i'm not actually doing the live drilling, the live sparring.

So things just kind of dwindled away in my last few fights. I just wasn't able to perform to the way I wanted to, plus the passion and such wasn't really there for fighting. So it was just perfect timing, blew out the knee, and Uriah texted me, he wanted to come train us. Was it a situation where you'd just done it for so long? So long. You're like, I don't have the enthusiasm for this anymore.

But yet you still have the enthusiasm for the creative aspect of developing a fighter. Yeah, I love it. I'm a martial artist. This is what I've done my whole life. I love it. I love living through these guys now. It's just, it's a rebirth for me.

It's just, I'm loving my life right now. I love how you're embracing it too. I think it's really cool when a fighter finds something that he can do that's equally exciting, like right after their careers, because that's always been traditionally a real problem for all sorts of professional fighters whether it's boxers or mma fighters there's always been those stories of guys who like live this crazy high life and then afterwards like do you know how many boxers get hooked on cocaine no it's a lot man it's a fucking lot and obviously

they're partying and obviously you know a lot of these guys are coming from lower income backgrounds so when all of a sudden they're making millions and millions of dollars they tend to get a little And obviously, you know, a lot of these guys are coming from lower income backgrounds. So when all of a sudden they're making millions and millions of dollars, they tend to get a little crazy. But the after effects of like losing all that excitement, like it's gone from your life. Like there's very few guys that would transfer from that into becoming like really good trainers. Yeah, that's a different scenario than me. I don't I've never made millions of dollars. I still drive a fucking 2006 Scion XB with a crack windshield and a hole in the seat. You know,

I never made a million dollars in the last few fights. Like I was contracted to the UFC. It was like 15 and 15, you know, so I was making, you know, I didn't win the last couple of fights. So I walked away,

you know, after sponsors like 20 grand and then, you know, pay out my percentages. So I never made good money. I've never broken six figures. So it's a different scenario, but that's what I'm going to have the passion.

You know, I can live through these guys, you know, in the cage, watching them. And having them win, it makes me feel like it just keeps me still relevant in life. Yeah, I didn't even mean necessarily. I mean, part of it was their success making the money,

but it was also just that they're wild dudes. And then once they lose that ability to get that crazy fix every few months from a fight, it's really hard for a fighter to find something that they can throw their passion into that makes them feel like their life is still you know they're still like living their life yeah the hills that's what I think about Dwayne do he'll be a passion about anything I don't care if it's walking down the street I mean like he's gonna be the best at it do you hear um Mike pass in there from Mike's gym when he was talking about training Alistair Alistair over him one of the things he said that I thought was really interesting in the pre-fight,

you know, Reem, he does those documentaries. Yeah, those are sweet. They're badass. Whoever does those is an artist. The music's great. The scenes are really artistically seen. But Mike said, you know, a champion is a champion no matter what he does. When he's tying his shoes, he's a champion.

He's a champion when he gets out of bed. He's a champion when he gets out of bed. He's a champion when he brushes his teeth. But it's right. You know, like that mentality, like to really hit the highest levels of something, you know, you have to be like, that's all you accept out of life. That's how I am.

I'm very black and white. I try to do everything. I don't try. I do everything to my full potential with whatever I do. It's just the way I'm wired. It's how I've been. I've been reasonably taught this, just how I am. So I don't try. I do everything to my full potential with whatever I do. It's just the way I'm wired. It's how I've been. I've never really taught this. It's just how I am.

So I don't know who to thank. I guess our creator, who or me, whatever it is. But, I mean, I love everything that I do. It's good times, man. Well, it's also you've become successful as a martial artist. And you were very successful as a kickboxer and very successful as an MMA fighter. So you know, after all these years of competition, exactly what fighters are going through.

You know it. I mean, you're not guessing it. You're not putting together game plans based on intelligent decisions, but you haven't been there yourself. You've got both going on. Yeah, that's what I think helps, too, here at Team Alpha Moat, these guys, they know I've done it, and they know I'm passionate. I'm there for these motherfuckers, like 100%.

I watch film like a motherfucker. I make sure that when I do game plans or I do drills it. They, and they know I'm passionate. I'm there for these motherfuckers. Like a hundred percent. I watch film like a motherfucker. I make sure that when I do game plans or I do drills in the class, it's for this specific, specific guys. We have no class at 20, 30 people. I make sure in our hour and a half class, you know,

four or five rounds is for this guy, four or five rounds is for this guy. And then make sure that a game plan, I tailor things. And then also we do our private lessons is specifically for their fight based on what they're already good at. Cause they say, okay,

TJ is good at, you know, these 10 things, you know, TJ's good at these 10 things. His opponent's good at these 10 things. We've got to be aware of these. Okay, five of TJ's things are going to work perfect for this guy. Well, let's drill the fuck out of those five things. So that's one of the things, too. For me specifically, when Boss Rutten would give me information or technique or a combo he told me to do something, I took it to heart 100%,

just like the Goulet fight. I went into that fight with my left shoulders blown out, so the only thing I had was my right hand. so it's why it kind of worked out for my favor Well, that's your that's the fastest knockout the fast knockout. Yeah, and UFC so it's just this the story behind it It was just a two week notice I wasn't training at all just up in mountains doing the electrical work my manager call me Sven and he's like hey You want to do a fight? I was like, yeah, sure. What are they paying for and for I was like fuck me That's like, you know two months with the work, you know, let's go do the fight

So I flew out and trip boss and it was actually trained was actually trained at the 10th Planet Bomb Squad, the old bomb squad. And I was just wearing a tape down the fence. And Connor Hewitt, actually, I got double underhooks on a shot. And he took me over his back and blew out my left shoulder. Oh, no. All I could draw up was kicks and knees still, but just with the right hand. So that's all I was looking for. And the boss was like, OK, he's going to come in.

Just step off to the side with the right hand. I was like, OK, cool. Ding, bell comes. Boom. And I'm like, holy shit. Did you see that? There's a photo. There's a photo. I was like, okay, cool. Ding, bell comes, boom. And I'm like, holy shit. Did you see that? There's a photo. There's a photo.

I'm punching him and he's looking away and I'm like looking at boss. Not looking at boss, I'm looking off to the side just because it happened so fast. But I mean, there's two things to that too. I don't think Goulet took the best punch and I can't hit hard.

So there's a couple of things to that. And then it was tentacle and I drilled it a million times. Do you have any regrets? Like when you look back on your career? Yeah, I definitely have regrets. My dream from a child was to be, not from a child, I guess when I was 15, 16, when I first started Thai boxing, was to fight for K-1,

be the heavyweight champion of K-1. And I never grew that big. So then just doing Thai boxing, jumping back and forth between MMA and Thai boxing because just Thai boxing, you can't stay busy in America, or you couldn't anyway. And then K-1 created the max, the middleweight or you know 70 kilos 154 and then i actually had on the table at the same time was a k1 contract and the ufc contract after i fought genki that was actually a one fight deal and they offered me a three fight deal and then k1 offered me a deal as well my dream was always to go to k1 and i went to k1 just because that was my childhood passion

but looking back on it now i wish i would just would have stayed with the UFC from the get-go. But just being stuck in my ways and wanting to do K-1 and go visit Japan, it was just one of those things. But going back, I wish I would have rolled and wrestled more and then just definitely stayed in the UFC. I'd be making more money now. I'd be more well-off. I probably wouldn't have an 06 Scion and I'd probably own a house right now. But on the flip side of that as well, if I did own a house,

I could rent that of course. I probably wouldn't have taken the job here at Timo Femel and living through these guys. I learned the hard lesson of being a 1099 subcontracted employee. I blew my knee out and had three months worth of pay and a year-long injury. So I'm like, fuck.

I figured out what am I going to do. And then Uriah just texted me and was like, hey, you want to come out and be our head trainer? And I was like, look at that. And I was like, wow. I just tried one more surgery to go through. And I'm like, fuck, man, yeah. What did you do to your knee? In my last fight with Che Mills, the first 10 seconds,

he did an outside trip and blew my knee out, like the first 10 seconds of the fight. So the ACL was completely gone and a bucket handle tear of the meniscus. So that was gone. So I'm actually still not 100% healed. Well, I'm supposed to be 100% in a year, and suppose we're 100% in the year and it's almost a year now So it may be it's happening but still slows up so I'm not even training or anything

I just started holding myths for these guys about two months ago. So you had a patella tendon graft, right? Yeah, I use my patella tendon. Yeah, it's held by the scar. I've had both of those done Yeah, the regular the cadaver one and the patella tendon. Yeah, I Just know but I was statistically speaking say oof, but statistically speaking, you're supposed to use your own body parts to lower percentage of rejection. Yeah, there's a bunch of different,

mine's great, but there's a bunch of different schools of thought on that. I wonder if it's the quality of the doctor. I'm not smart enough or educated enough about medicine to make a real comment about that,

but for me, they're both great. They both work great. There's no problems. I had meniscus taken out of the left knee. That's the only difference. It's a little looser.

Do you run much, though? No. No. I do elliptical machines. I like to do sprints on elliptical machines. I like to crank it up really heavy, put it on, depending on whatever it is, like right below the highest level, and just do 30-minute wild man sprints. That's what I do, or 30 seconds, rather, wild man sprints. that's what i do or 30 seconds rather wild man

sprints that's what i do like if i'm in a hotel room and i can't you know if there's not a gym there to just have one of those elliptical machines you can still get a badass workout those will kill your legs man you just gotta go nutty with it i just do it like a fucking dragon's chasing me 30 seconds and then i take 30 seconds of just breathing oh i'm moving but i'm just breathing and then yeah i just warm up for 10 minutes and then do that. I'll be doing that in the hotels or wherever you're at. And then people are just looking at you like, what the hell is this guy doing, dude?

It's just an elliptical, man. Chill out. You're training for a fight, just yelling on the machine or sprinting as hard as you can on the treadmill. He makes me shy when we go work out because I feel like somebody's having sex next to me. That's what it's got to be. You've got to go for it.

You've got to do it. I'm not even preparing for anything. I'm just scared. There's having sex next to me. That's what it's got to be. You've got to go for it. You've got to do it. I'm not even preparing for anything. I'm just scared. There's a lot on the line there. I'm scared. The dragon's chasing you. Yeah. If I'm lifting weights, I'm lifting like I might die.

If I don't get this weight up, I'm going to die. It's a different mentality, though. These guys know. They're literally putting their lives on the line when they step in the cage. There is a possibility. Of course, there's a possibility you get hit by a car when you cross the street as well. Incredibly dangerous job. Yeah, it's just one of those things.

But I love it, man. I loved it when I was fighting. My passion started kind of dwindling away. So it's just perfect timing. Things work out for you. It'll happen for a reason, whatever. I'm learning to believe and understand that. This is my own path and my own career.

Although there are some things that whatever you believe and conceive, you can achieve kind of thing. So that kind of thing, that's 100% true, I feel. Well, it certainly is with you. It certainly is with me. I always wonder what the fuck is really going on with that.

Whether or not you just got lucky and you're just looking back on being lucky going, well, you know, the world works out for itself. Does it really work out for itself or is it just you capitalize on whatever the fuck. You balance yourself out for itself. Does it really work out for itself, or is it just you capitalize on whatever the fuck, you balance yourself out, and you get through it no matter what?

It's not that everything happens for a reason, it's just that if you have the correct attitude, and you don't get hung up on things, you can succeed. You just keep pushing forward, you find your opportunities eventually, and you jump through them. Who's to say that opportunities couldn't have come up that were even better a year ago, or ten years ago ago or five years ago?

They could have. But it's a matter of when they do or when you create them, capitalize on them. Yes, 100%. So you were in the perfect position to do that. It was perfect. It was a good gig. So it's smart to jump on it and perfect for you. Yeah, for me, spiritually and everything, just living through these guys now, it's another rebirth.

And I am the correct guy for this job man we're vibing fucking 100 perfect man it's awesome it's a great mix with these guys they have no problem joel i don't have to babysit these motherfuckers they show up on time they show respect that they're to get better they help you they help each other even though they don't have fights coming up they still come in and help the training partner because i'm like okay look today you need to be this guy okay you need to be Clay Guida for Tim Mendez. And then he'll mimic Clay Guida and watch the film and come in and dance around and do his thing just to give us the look of our next opponent because that's the way it's got to be.

Yeah, that's so important. I don't really have training camps. I've been training for the last two months helping Uriah get ready. Chad's fighting next weekend. Joseph's fighting September 4th. Danny just fought in Seattle, you know? Yeah, so I've been helping everyone get ready I've been in shape for the last who knows how long you know

And so I'm always ready to take a fight as long as I'm not injured. It's a crazy gig man That's why I worked out good for his last fight. You know, he was short notice fight with Hugo Viena. Oh, yeah Oh, that's true. Yes, right just last his last two fights were showing us fights, but he's always training and always in shape So it doesn't matter. Yeah, that's a, it's a, you guys have a really cool, um, camp. And I think one of the things that's really important is that what you said about that wrestler mentality, there's like, when they were trying to take wrestling out of the Olympics, there was so many people were really frustrated and really angry and people who've never wrestled don't understand this. I only wrestled for one season. So a lot of it, I'm just talking out of my ass,

don't understand this. I only wrestled for one season so I'm just talking out of my ass but I know what it did for me just in one season. I remember working, I remember doing that one season of wrestling and thinking that's probably the hardest I've ever worked at anything in my fucking life. For sure. And I had done martial arts

from much earlier than that. I had been involved in physical things. I played sports but I was like this, I played soccer. i was like this i played soccer i'm like this is the nuttiest most soul-crushing shit when you're exhausted and they make you fucking doing sprints carrying guys on your back and you're just nutty shit man down and go motherfucker oh my god running stairs and they broke you you would show up every day everything in your body would be fucking sore but if you can get through that it'll make you an incredibly strong person

And that's the advantage that the wrestler mentality has like I always say that if the pyramid of mixed martial arts techniques was ever established in my opinion at least wrestling is the base agreed and it's not just because of the the actual ability to Control where the fight takes place where they're standing up or to take it to the ground, whether you're using it Chuck Liddell style or whether you're Ben Askren in it. The most important aspect of it is the mentality that comes with that training. It's not like jiu-jitsu. It's not like kickboxing. Nobody else works that hard.

And we weigh in every week. We compete every weekend. And you're always hungry. Always. You have to be. If you're not, you're getting beat. You're're not gonna be the best in the world you know definitely yeah you have to be you have to have the mentality of you know pushing harder than that next guy in that sport because it's just a one-on-one muscle versus muscle like you know it's it's tough i

think the weight cutting aspect of it is a huge tragedy in high school though i really really do i have a friend um who was a really good wrestler in high school and he tried to stay at 128 through his entire career and he was a fucking zombie and he's seen you yeah that was the kid always had bad breath his mouth was always wide open he looked like a zombie and he was he was 5 6 all of his brothers 6 feet taller taller and his growth he just fucking crushed himself he ruined his body wrestling. That was me at 55, man. I would just kill myself.

I didn't know how to cut weight right. I would just always run, you know, abalone on, rubber suit running, and just like training Thai style, just running a lot and just killing my body. So I think, no, I don't think, I definitely fucking know 100% that killed me. That codes for my passion as well. And then wasn't able to receive punches as well either just from draining my body and not rehydrating correctly. So I just didn't understand the game until I got with mike dolce and i'm a motherfucker he's got his shit

down he definitely knows how to make the human body lose weight correctly and then come back also but you know it's all a journey i learned a lot it's a lesson and i find i know exactly what the fuck dwayne ludwig is now that's for sure that's what wrestling or anything any you know you know what you're capable of and definitely know exactly what the fuck i'm capable yeah you know your limitations i mean there comes a point in time when you literally can go no further. You can take no steps. You can lift your body up. You're done.

Can you get there, though? Do you get there or do you decide that 10 steps before that is there? Because that could be the difference between winning a fight and losing a fight. The difference between being able to keep those RPMs up just a little while longer than the next guy. And that's what wrestling teaches you because there's wrestling is a strange martial art in that you know you look at a guy like askren who is not like the physically the most like kevin random man is the most ridiculously physically impressive fighter i think i've ever seen i mean just a super alpha male mesomorphic

build but you look at ben Askren, you don't see that. But if you said, like, who's the better wrestler? Well, the better dynamic athlete is Kevin Randleman, for sure. But man, as far as wrestling accomplishments, Ben Askren's more accomplished. And that's pretty incredible, because in wrestling, you engage.

There's going to be an engaging. And if you don't engage, you're going to lose points for it. So you're going to tie up, and you're going to find out what the fuck is up once you do that. And there's going to be an engaging and if you don't engage you're going to lose points for it so you're going to tie up and you're going to find out what the fuck is up once you do that and there's a there's a difference in that and in the fact that it's it's going to go down oh yeah whereas like kickboxing man there's we've all seen bouts where almost nothing happens there's a lot of fucking moving they both decide to coast that shit can happen that's a question in the brain you're talking about like boring fights and such how about about when Dan Severin and Ken Shamrock fought? And they just circled, hey, you like that one, Mr. Rogan?

Where you at, motherfucker? No, that one, I was like, this sport's not ready for this yet. But I think we had to go through that. Look, I would have hated to watch it, but I think we had to go through it as martial arts, like as a martial art, which mixed martial arts is, essentially. I mean, it is the sport most realistic to fighting and i think we had to know that that can happen that these two fucking guys can just circle each other and do nothing yeah i mean we have to know we've

seen a bunch of fights like that so then that's when instead of encouraging the stand-up you encourage like a shot motherfucker don't encourage shit man this is what i say i say if a guy like clay guida can run away from Gray Maynard for three rounds, then so be it. So he can. Yeah.

You know, I mean, Maynard should switch his stuff up. Yeah, he's not cutting him off. Yeah. Look, I get it. I know what you're saying. You would like him

to try to win, but he's not gonna. Yeah. Okay, so that's possible too. So here's a guy who just decides to stay alive. Okay, he's not trying

to win the fight. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I think there is. There is in watching it. I don't want to watch it. But then the market will dictate whether you watch that guy again. If you're going to watch a guy like Michael Chandler, he's a good example.

Nice, yeah. A lot of guys don't know who he is. He's one of the best 155ers in the world, and he's a fucking animal. He's awesome. He comes after dudes. And so when you get a guy like that, or a guy like Melvin Manhoof as a kickboxer,

you get these wild berserker dudes, Vanderlei Silva, you want to watch them. And so they're worth more money. And they're going to get booked more and they're going to get higher places. I mean, people are going to want to see that shit. So I think that if you have a boring style, you ultimately pay for it

in your career, and that's how it should be. The market, I think, you know how you do with that style but if you're a dude like if bet let's let's say Ben Askren gets to the UFC okay which is entirely possible now I guess he's a free agent oh and he just mugs GSP yes it's all the GSP and just sticks his fucking chest on his face for five rounds and and punches him in the head. I believe he could do it. He might.

Look, but what if he does? Then what the fuck do we do? Yeah. What if he can do that to everybody? Yeah. What if Ben Askren just monkey fucks everybody? And every middleweight fight from here on out is like, in a lot of fans' eyes, is uneventful and boring.

Guess what? That shit's real. Somebody has to figure out how to stuff the takedown. Somebody has to figure out how to either hit him coming in or you've got to Marcelo Garcia him. You've got to get someone who's so high level on the ground that he can't stay in those positions. That's when it comes, you know, you're watching the film

and you say, okay, he does this. So when he does that, I'm going to make him do that. By me doing this, you play the what-if game. We play a lot of what-if games. I don't want to give away any game plans in case any of your boys fight him. But without specific for any particular fighter. If someone was going to fight Ben Askren, how would you

tell them about it? I'd have to study some films. I don't even watch them to be honest. I'd have to study some films. Okay, how about Fitch? I know you watch Fitch. Yeah, I've watched Fitch. Fitch is similar in a lot of ways. But I'd have to watch the Fitch. I'd have to watch film with the mindset of coaching against him. Because there's a difference. Because I watch film and I'll take a film and it depends. Because some film I can watch or I'll take a film and it depends because some film

I can watch or I just go off memory I already know how to beat the guy or how I feel like I can beat the guy you know so I get crazy

with fucking watching film and so I'll take a film or I used to anyway I used to take a film watch it sober boom I used to take it and watch it high

just to give me an honest approach because I am very biased and I'm there I'm there for my fucking guys 100% so I notice that I watch fights and I'm like man you know my guys knew this this this and i realized i'm not watching this with an honest open mind so and then i watch it on on alpha brain as

well on it from alpha brain just to get different looks on things i have another guy in colorado mike tempo who watches the fights i ask the fighters to watch the fight so i get a whole bunch of film i'll make notes compare the notes see what we need to work with but some guys i can just watch the film and break it down and know right off the bat but i'd have to watch fitch to answer your question with the correct mindset of me being coaching because like me right now like i'm hyped up and like like the the rogue guy this is fucking awesome for me like i love this shit it's awesome for me i've learned so much like from the rogan podcast and from you and your guests you know like mike dolce alex gray graham hancock you know daniel bellelli, you know, like Mike Dolce, Alex Gray, Graham Hancock, you know, Daniel Bilelli, like, you know,

Joey Cocodillas, like a lot of guys have been on here, man. I fucking, I've learned more from this fucking podcast than I had, you know, in school or my life trials for sure, 100%.

So like, this has done a lot for me. So for me to be on this, man, it's fucking cool. You know, it's like I'm, you know,

like I'm still relevant. I'm doing things in life, which is cool. You know, like Boss Rutan's story is on here, you know, like Boss is the fucking man.

I love that guy. So where's my black belt boss? Where's that mother fucker? No, it's a, no, listen, it's the same for me,

man. I know it's a podcast, Mr. Rogan, but if you keep interrupting me, I'm going to get a motherfucker. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead,

carry on. I have as well, like it's not a one way street. Having these conversations with people like you, you know, I mean, being able to pick people's brains,

being able to have these, well, it's these exchanges, you know, energy. Yeah. The exchanges. pick people's brains, being able to have these exchanges. The energy, yeah, the exchanges. What's a cool fucking journey for me is for me to create a combo or a technique and show it to somebody. You can have them drill it, pull it off a sparring,

and then win the fucking fight with that same exact technique. That shit is fucking nuts. That's fucking cool, man. You know what's really cool about it? It really is artistic. Yes, it's art. Everything is an art.

And especially considering the fact that there's really no established protocol to do it. Everybody has their own way. If you went to Greg Jackson, he would have one method to train a fighter. If you went to Matt Hume, he would have a different way of training a fighter. See, that's why I think I've trained with Greg. I haven't trained with Matt. I've trained with Greg. He's got great stuff.

He's got awesome stuff. Again, I'm making sure I'm adjusting to the athlete. I'm not trying to, you know, make them me. I'm trying to, you know, just like Chad Mendes, he hits mitts. He does certain things a certain way. TJ does things a certain way. I need to adjust to these guys. I need to give them my ideas and my opinions, my little bits of information

while they're doing what they feel comfortable doing. Because if you can pull that off, what I would feel, you know, technically incorrect, but if you can make that work, you can make that work. What the fuck can I say? I can't argue with success. If you're landing that right hand on that hook, I mean, I'd say, you know, you're lunging in, your chin's up, you know, you're out of position. You're making it work.

You're making it work. But how about let's keep our position? How about let's set that up a different, another way. Just give it another look at things. So to answer the question as far as I encourage my guys to get other pieces of information, you know, go train over there. Go get different looks. I want to bring people in. I want to start bringing, hopefully Boston, come to

Team Alpha Melon, do a seminar. I'm hoping to bring Leaster Bowling. Yeah, it doesn't take away from your value. It adds to it. Don't get hung up on that. It's a conversation. You're not doing a lecture. I just love it, man. I definitely want to have as much input because I don't want to be stubborn and set in my ways

where I'm making these guys do one thing. I want these guys to be the best martial arts they can be so if that means bringing other guys that means visiting other gyms man fucking do it some you know i'm not here for me i'm here for these fucking guys so that's a big thing though right you have to bring in other people i think so 100 and isn't that that was a real problem with some trainers some trainers worried about other people coming in they were going to take their thunder you know what was really cool i was just sorry i was for a Urias fight, and Mark DeLaGuardia handed me out for a seminar, and there's open doors. Let me teach the students.

And it's the way, you know, his energy and shit, man. That was fucking awesome. He's beautiful. He's a true martial artist, man. I love that dude. He's very fucking cool. And he did a Technique of the Week video, just like you did as well, for my Bang Mu Thai series. So, you know, that was awesome, man.

I got a great group of people around me, like Mr. Rogan, the team off email, and my art design guy, Aaron in Colorado, and my highlight guy, James Blair, who just did my new highlight with the team. That motherfucker. That's a great highlight. He can edit some fucking video, man. What's the name of that if you want to find out on YouTube? Pull that shit up because it's pretty wild.

It's the newest one. I think it's the latest upload or second upload on my YouTube channel, Bang With Ty YouTube channel. But I just made it a video. And 100%, I'm in Timo Fimmel to do three things. We're in Sacramento to do three things. Take care of my family and I. Get these motherfuckers world titles.

And then to push my Bang With Ty brand. Because I need to take my martial art information and monetize it. I need to make money off that now. I mean, I ain't making no fucking money. I mean, 100%. I'm not rich, man. Like, for reals. I'm trying to see real.

I want to own a house. I want to have my shit paid off. I want to live a man. For reals. I'm trying to see I want to own a house. I want to have my shit paid off. I want to live a comfortable life for my family and I. I'm not going to be the martial artist who's not making

any motherfucking money. Right. I know too much not to teach. Yeah. As they become successful and it'll trickle down to me, which is cool.

I shouldn't say if they become successful. No, they are. These motherfuckers are very successful. See, that's the thing too. Before I came, look how successful

they've been without me. I'm not trying to change shit. I'm just trying to tighten them up. I'm not trying. I'm fucking doing it. I'm tightening them up. It's because they're listening to me and because they know I'm there for them. So there's a couple layers to this onion of our success.

It's not just me. It's their belief in me as well. It's the way I carry myself. It's the way they carry themselves. I'm adapting to them. I'm not there trying to make them Dwayne Ludwig. I'm making them the best martial artist I can help them be. Is there a danger of keeping the name alpha male because a bee has it hit the

critical douche point yet I worry about I worry about the alpha brain I'm like man you know it's it bros out it bros out at about a team it's a man now the bang with time smash I know you know I feel like I feel like fucking splinter from the Ninja Turtles and like these are my ninja turtles just like because like in San Jose on April 20th is rolled in had a fucking tj dilla shah benavides and mendez all just come and just smash their opponents and just leave it was like we just rolled into the town smashed him in the bounce like that was the fucking coolest shit ever i wish people could experience that same that same energy that that's all it's just fucking cool man well you're seeing i love

it you you're absolutely living that shit i fucking love it man you're seeing improvement you're seeing like I love it. You're absolutely seeing. I'm living that shit. I fucking love it, man. You're seeing improvement. You're seeing real technical improvement. You brought up Chad Mendes before. God damn, is that dude a fucking athlete. He is on another level. How Mike Tyson stuck out in the boxing world, this is Chad Mendes. He is a successful and a very dynamic, fucking just super athletic athlete. Yeah, I know he lost to Aldo, but I believe that was before you guys started working together, right?

Correct, yeah. I've seen big leaps. I just came to the team in January. He's got one of those freaky abilities to cover distance with punches. He is an explosive athlete. He's so fast. God damn. He's fast.

He's on another level, 100%. That's the same thing when I was talking about Marcelo finishing up guillotines. There's guys like Mendes that hit takedowns. They hit doubles, and you're like, Jesus Christ. Dude, his takedown was a missile. It's impossible to stop. That's what's so crazy about Aldo, that Aldo stuffed that. I think Chad gave him too much respect.

You know what I mean? I think Chad just gave him too much respect on some stuff. But you have to, though. Yeah. I mean, you have to. No, I mean, give him respect, but not to the point where it's hindering your own ability. You think it was?

That's the thing I did when I fought Ramon Deckers, you know? Like, I mean, you can't, I mean, you've got to give Ramon Deckers all the respect in the world. Yeah, for folks who don't know, one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters of all time, it's very arguable the greatest. Yeah, 100%. And I just didn't, I just looked up to him too much, and I just didn't perform to my full ability, and that was disrespectful to him, I felt. So, you know that that was one of

the things too but you know i mean he sucked me up and you know he won and he'd probably do it again but i just didn't perform to my full potential but i mean he'd probably beat my ass no matter what man i love that dude and in all fairness you also fought him he's pretty late in his career right yeah late in his career and he still sucked me up bullshit damn it yeah he's good man i'm one of the fucker i got man much respect for that guy he has bad ankles down or something well he passed now Oh, yeah, no, yeah, so he died recently bike riding Yeah

Fucking crazy. Yeah, but he used to have really bad ankles right like yeah like No, I mean he hit he hit too hard for his weight in his body You know like the guy was a powerhouse me He was the doors of the the Dutch windmill or something I forgot is you know one of his forgot one of his nicknames. But Ramon Deckers is badass. We found one of the videos, but we couldn't. When we went to the YouTube page, it said it didn't exist.

Just look up Bang Muay Thai highlight. I'll find it in three seconds. Here's a Thai punch slip drill. No, that's not it. Bang Muay Thai highlight. Bang Muay Thai T- Bang Muay Thai team alpha male highlight. I bet you don't even have to write that.

Yeah, you do, actually. Bang Muay Thai highlight. Alpha male highlight. Yeah, that's it. Go to Bang Muay Thai highlight and choose the third one down. It says Bang Muay Thai team alpha male. Put it up so we can see it. Uh-oh.

You fucked up, Brian. Now, when we have the TVs off, it turns off the display monitor. Oh, okay. Here we go. Back on. Who's that? That's Anson Inouye. Powerful Anson Inouye.

What a cool motherfucker. We did like a 1 o'clock in the morning podcast. Yeah, that was cool. I heard that. I listen to all kinds of podcasts, man. I love this. I love this podcast. That was was so cool it's like him and chuck just sitting here chilling that's got to be cool man talking about the old days hoping out with the fukushima and such man that's cool yeah they said it's getting worse and worse there's actually uh radiation in tuna wow showed elevated radiation three percent elevation and radiation of tuna that they're

catching in California. Yeah, this is the highlight. Put that shit on full screen. This just got done today. Thank you, James Blair. This guy can freaking edit some videos, man. He's been hooking me up for a long time. He does all kinds of badass videos.

What the fuck is that? There you go. Powerful promotion. I'm pumping my stuff, man. You know? Not me. I'm saying I'm promoting you. Sorry.

I think you are. Mr. Rogan, thank you, sir. You're welcome. I appreciate it. Yeah, whoever edited this is a fucking beast. James Blair. That guy's badass. He did an awesome job. Hey, Ben-Avi.

Where are you at, Ben-Avi? The music and everything. Look at cake. Hey, I wanted to ask you about that too the kicks to the back of the head Well, what let this play out first let it play out. Let's fucking badass. There's the next UFC champion Benavidez Benevides you get the shot for child man. There's a benefit us for both of them They're both in me Chad. It's closer to the title shot, just for the ranking situation. Benavidez is also getting better, man. He's a fucking animal. That was the same. Dillashaw, poof, where you at?

Oh, I loved that fight. Dude, that was the first fight where I said, wow, you hit another level. You were clearly on another level. Technically, the way you were moving. Appreciate that. Cousin Leonard Garcia. That kid's a wild motherfucker. So is this one.

Yeah. Benavidez is a wild motherfucker with his nipple rings and shit. Tornado of punches, man. Dude weighs in with nipple rings on. He's a savage. Boof. Yeah, that was a great fight, too, man. You almost did that to me today on the mitts.

Oh, you're an animal. This soundtrack sounds like you walking through a door in your fight too, man. You almost did that to me today on the mitts. Oh, you're an animal. This soundtrack sounds like you walking through a door in your TV show, Jeff. There's not enough screeching. Oh, four wolves calling. Damn. What a wild highlight. Blair, that's the pump of my Bang Boy Thai system, man. What I do is I have Each week I send out

To my affiliates I have four to ten Detailed video curriculums Showing them exactly What drill or technique To do that week And each week I take my iPhone

That's what it is I'm not just trying to Sell you a banner Of my name And put it on your gym I take my fucking iPhone Like we recorded the video today I take my iPhone

I say okay I have my curriculum I have my structured curriculum Whatever we do this week We do that same class In three or six months From now Depending on if it's The intermediate Or fundamental curriculum But I take my structured curriculum. Whatever we do this week, we do that same class in three or six months from now, depending on if it's an intermediate or fundamental curriculum.

But I take my phone. I record the videos, mainly with TJ Dillashaw. I record, okay, this is the drill that you do. Boom. Here's live. Boom, boom, boom. Now you're going to do this drill five for five or one full round a piece, depending on what it is and what week it is as well.

But I send them exactly what fucking drills and combos to do that week. Each and every week I send that shit out. And I'm very proud of it. I know too much not not to teach man i love it i wish i had this for me when i was coming up and um like i'm i just i love life now right now it's fucking it's fucking cool i have are you on adderall right no i'm i'm excited i'm fucking excited well i got whatever what's this coffee bulletproof and i took four alpha brains that'll do it i'm telling you man like this is fucking i love the part like. What's the alternative names for alpha brain? I think you can get away with, by the way, I was only joking about the alpha brain or alpha male thing.

I think you can get away with it because people call us death squad, which is way douchier, right? As long as you act cool, man, the name will be all right. My heart's pounding too hard to talk about. You know what I mean? Is he making your heart pound? Yeah. He's making me intent. I'm excited, man.

I love this shit, man. It's like we're training. I'm passionate. I love that. I know. I's making me intent. I'm excited, man. I love this shit, man. It's like we're training. I'm passionate. I love it. I know. I mean, I fucking love life, man. I love it. I came through so much bullshit as a child.

I'm happy. I can do what the fuck I want to do right now. I love life, man. It's fucking cool. I get to make the decisions that I want to fucking make as an adult now. Well, most of the decisions anyway. So it's good, man. Life's good.

I'm living through these guys. They're going to get a fucking world title. It's going to be Benavides or Chad first, depending on what shot we get first. and well most of the decisions anyway so you know it's good man life's good I'm living through these guys you know they're gonna get a fucking world title it's gonna be Benavides or Chad first depending on who you know what shot we get first

I'm gonna game plan the fuck out of that but I'm gonna game plan you know in there and make sure that they're I'm gonna have ask them to do what I feel they need to do

for the fight I'm not trying to make them me right you're just enjoying watching them progress I fucking enjoy this shit yeah man like I mean

I'm learning to the point now that when I have a good time like this Rogan podcast where we train or I, I mean, I'm learning to the point now that when I have a good time, like this Rogan podcast where we train or I'm in the fights, I'm learning to embrace that shit a hundred fucking percent as much as I can. And then when I have a problem or a difficult time, I'm stepping away and looking at that from the side. I don't want to be wrapped up in the problems. I want to look at the side, at the problems from the distance.

And we have a good time when I'm in that cage and I'm walking these guys out and I'm fucking holding myths and on the podcast, I'm trying to enjoy this shit to the full fucking potential that I can. I know I'm going to be on this fucking earth for however long I'm going to be. Knock your shit off, TJ. No gold stars for you. I don't even have to try to get you to slow down. I love this shit, man. I do. No, I don't. You said I love it about a billion times.

I'm going to say that shit some more. We totally got that part of your message. I love it, man. It's fucking good shit. We're well aware that you, in fact, love it. Well, I want to make sure other motherfuckers love their life, too, so they need to make the decision that they need to make to be fucking happy. I think that doing something that people enjoy and doing something that you can help people with is one of the keys to happiness.

That's one of the things, too. I'm seeing these guys get better human beings and martial artists. That is making me feel good. Well, isn't it an interesting thing? It's like being a fighter and being a training partner are two very different things, and then being a trainer is another very different thing. And a lot of people don't understand that.

Like, to be a good training partner, you have to, first of all, you have to know where a fighter is in their development. You've got to not take advantage of them. You've got to not hit them. When you know they're fucking, they're doing five fresh guys in a row, don't be a dickhead.

Just make them work. Make the guy work. That's what you're supposed to be doing. I ask the guys at the gym. I tell them, you know, I ask them. Are you interrupting me now, bitch? Yes, I did. You ready to go?

What the hell? Let's beat him up. Bang Boy Time podcast. Might take two of us. Where you at? What I was going to say. Sorry, carry on. No, I'm just kidding.

No, carry on. I was going to say that being a trainer is another, that's the next thing. It's a completely different thing. And in that, you're benefiting entirely on other people benefiting from you. And you take your pride in molding them as fighters. For sure. It's a very different experience though, right? It is a different experience.

But it's something I've been doing since I was 19 anyway. It's just helping professional athletes train. It's just because I need to train the partners. I'm telling the guys, if I'm doing this, you know, look out for this and just helping, you know, people break things down, helping them help coach me as well. So it's been a give and take. And now for me to do it full time, man, and again, I'm not even going to say it, but I love it. Do you think you're happier as a trainer than you were as a fighter?

100%. I was too stressed, and, you know, I understood that, you know, when I win the fight, I'm going to make so much. If I didn't win the fight, I'm going to this much and that was that was a hard thing for me and i've reached my um like in 2004 after i won my second world title on kickboxing the first world title was mma with jans and my second world title was a type boxing title so once i made once i did that i completed my the goals that i set in my life and then from there things changed we could look at the just the statistics my record it was boom boom boom boom maybe you lost a two, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Kicking not everybody's ass, but doing good. And then at 2004, when I won my second world title, it just went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You just lost your enthusiasm. Yep, since 2004. Was it just a matter of just not being able to keep up certain RPMs, or was it the training environment? You know, I'm not quite sure where to push the blame, but the main thing for me to say. What's the main thing to blame? Well, you know, it just depends how you look at it. Well, obviously, right, life. But I just set a goal to push the blame, but the main thing for me to say... What's the point of the blame? Well, you know, it depends how you look at it.

Well, obviously, right? Life. But I just set a goal to win the world title, kickboxing world title, when I was a child. My first world title was MMA world title. I didn't complete my goal. So I went for the kickboxing world title. It came around, and I finally got it. So then that just changed things for me.

I set my goals too low, basically, I think. What title did you have in MMA? When I fought Jens Pover in UCC in Canada when I was his first I think his first fight once he left the UFC that was a quick knockout too right yeah yeah that was yeah that was when you were you know you were really super fucking sharp back then really super sharp especially we were striking yep correct yeah oh you know that was healthy I was enthusiastic everything good but um once I won my second world title, I just set my goals too low.

And then I started searching for, okay, I need a certain opponent to motivate me. Or I need a certain training gap. Maybe I need to go train here. I started searching for things. Maybe Monday is going to motivate me. And I started searching for things to motivate me. Because I'm just very black and white. I'm going to win a world title.

I set my goal. I went to it. I got it. And I was kind of like, now what? Do you ever stop and go, damn, I wish I had somebody like me training me? I say that 100% of the time. That's why I tell these

fucking guys too, like, you know, I'm there coaching them. Like, I'm there for them. Like, pay attention.

Like, don't waste my fucking time. Don't show up late. Don't do the drill half-assed. We're doing split seconds and fractions of an inch. It's got to be fucking done right or don't fucking do it.

And there's more money in MMA now. There's more money in MMA now, for sure. Back when you were in King of the Cage. Yeah, my first two fights in King of the Cage, I got zero money.

Yeah, the King of the Cage one when you pulled off the karate kick. Oh, story time. All right, here we go. Crane kick. So I was nervous for the fight. So apparently the promoter told me that that fighter wanted to, he asked to fight me. So I took that personal. I was like, okay, all right, motherfucker, he wanted to fight me.

So I'm backstage. I'm a little, not a little, I'm nervous as fuck for the He wanted to fight me. So I'm backstage. I'm a little, you know, not little. I'm nervous as fuck for the fight. And so boss sees that I'm nervous and he wants me to relax. He goes, hey, Dwayne, if you want to throw him off, do the karate kid. And I'm like, but I look back at it now. I see what he's trying to do to relax me. But at the time, I'm like, fuck, boss.

I'm nervous as fuck. I'm going to go fight. I'm like, you know, knocking off. So I got to the point of the fight where I was just socking him up. I, you know, had my wings. I was doing what I wanted. And then it just came to me, just a little tribute to boss. You do the credit kid.

And then I went back to fighting, and then they stopped the bout. So I took that. That's my angel logo. There's a couple pieces to that. It's doing the credit kid as far as a tribute to boss. It's got the wings because I feel like I always make the right decisions. I don't really screw people over. So you feel like you have an angel watching over you?

Well, no. It's just, you know, for me... You are an angel. It's part of me. I feel like I always do the right things and the heads bow down just so I'm not above people. I'm just doing what I feel is right in life.

So you gave yourself some wings? I gave myself some wings, yes. Trademarking my shit. Birds are cunts. Do you know that? Birds are like some of the shittiest, fucking nastiest animals. You should give yourself like puppy ears.

Just to show that you're really lovable and perfect. How come everybody wants to be an eagle? Nobody wants to be a puppy. Puppies are like way sweeter than eagles. Eagles are fucking assholes. Well, eagle, eat a puppy. Snatch that motherfucker right out of your hand. They can fly.

Take him off to a treetop and eat his brains. That puppy's got to work his footwork. You know, his basics. He's got to be moving, motherfucker. Let's go. Come on, that's rude. He's a baby. You know, we've got to... The parents should have been watching the fucking kid, you know, his basics. He's got to be moving, motherfucker. Let's go. Come on, that's rude. He's a baby. You know, we've got to.

The parents should have been watching the fucking kid, right? It's true. Little Bang's always training. Little Bang, yeah, for real. If he sees the logo, like he's watching the highlight video this morning, and that just got finished today. He sees the Angel logo, he goes, that's me. So it's awesome, my little boy.

His name's Dwayne Bang Ludwig, my little boy. So he's badass. And I have a third baby on the way, and his middle name's going to be Boss. So that's going to be cool. Okay, I was going was gonna say you can't name him duane too go george this is duane bang bang number two this is duane bang bang this is duane like george george foreman i guess named all his kids george yeah he did yeah he did easy to remember that he was a bad motherfucker yeah for sure he was just too bad to have other kids like to have kids without his name he's like nope nope nope nope like george you can't name them all with George. Yeah. Well, yes, I can

Yeah, I will I can I will bitch. You know I am He's like I'm not a regular dude like he feels like he can get away with shit that other people can't and he's right Yeah, you know, I mean into people that try to stop that he he's going to call his kids George, and you're going to have to fucking deal with it. That's just a fact. Yeah. That's life. That means you're a bad man. Just like when we positioned for the fastest knockout to come around,

they said no, but you kept pushing for me, and then the fans and finally Dana White stepped in and was like, okay, no, it's official with the UFC. But it's only faster by two hundredths of a second. I'm an amateur MMA historian. So for me, it was like, that's, you know, I have all these details sort of stored in my head. I don't really carry it around on a computer. I literally have all these details because I love MMA.

So for me, it was always a travesty. It was like, if we're going to bring up the record, you've got to bring up Bang Ludwig. So someone will bring up the record, but I'll go, well, but it's not the real record. It's Dwayne Bang Ludwig. He should have the fucking record record, but I'll go, well, but it's not the real record. It's Dwayne Bang Ludwig. He should have the fucking record. That's cool.

That's just a fact. Yeah, I appreciate that. But as an historian, as an MMA historian, every fight has an asterisk. Jon Jones has one loss. Okay, you can call it that. But he beat the fuck out of Matt Hamill, and he was smashing him. And the only reason why that 12 to 6 elbow is illegal is because when the Athletic Commission met with Big John McCarthy, they were concerned about those dudes on ESPN at 6 o'clock in the morning

that are fucking smashing bricks with their elbows. So they're like, you can't do that brick smashing move. That shit's too powerful. And so everybody's like, all right. But meanwhile, maybe it's arguable that this elbow is more powerful than the downward elbow. The downward elbow doesn't seem to have as much weight behind it as a straight elbow.

How is it any more dangerous? It's crazy. It doesn't make any any sense but we're stuck with it we're like totally completely stuck with it yeah that's legal in Thai boxing yeah it totally should be legal it's an elbow I mean if you can hit a guy with a knee to the face you're telling me you can't you know how fucking hard a knee is the face you can hit him with that but you can't hit him with an elbow like that that is ridiculous a knee might be three times harder than an elbow you know like when you see what alistair did to travis brown's body like god damn nobody throws knees to the fucking body like the ream he can crack some god damn watching in real life it's like he's doing something totally different like everybody's doing one thing but when he's doing it's like he's going through your fucking body.

That Travis Brown, you can't teach that kind of heart. You can't teach that shit. That dude has zero give up in him. It's nothing. If he had 1% give up in him, half of the percent, the fight's over. He literally weathered the craziest nuclear fucking you know, solar fucking flares. He weathered the craziest shit ever. But because he didn't take it to the head, it was all just about him having the guts and the heart to power through it.

If Alistair hit him with those shots in the head, his body would just shut off. But because he took him to the body, like his heart got him through one of the craziest beatings I have ever witnessed anybody survive and then overcome in the same fucking round. I mean, that's one of the greatest come-from-behind rounds of all time. I actually missed that fight. God damn it, Dane! Wink, wink, wink! How the fuck did we miss that?

We were walking back from Uriah's fight because Uriah was on the card, Uriah Faber. So we were walking back through the tunnel after his fight as they were fighting, we were doing his doctor check and such. So I was backstage, but as we were walking back from Uriah's fight. Because Uriah was on the car. Uriah Faber. So we were walking back through the tunnel after his fight. As they were fighting, we were doing his doctor check and such. So I was backstage. But as we're walking through one of the rooms, I hear, oh. And I'm like, fuck. So I run through and peek my head through the window.

And I see Alistair just dropping. Dude, this is the craziest fight ever. It's one of the craziest fights ever. I wonder if we could show it. I need to get permission from Dana White if we could just show these things. Because sometimes they pull YouTube videos. For folks who don't know like if shit gets pulled off of YouTube a lot of times there's a bot that just searches for certain names

okay like if you write UFC in the title they'll just yank our shit they'll just take it offline so there's a code name so you put YOUFC yeah and there's a lot of videos that have me online that have been they put advertisements on there's a company that does that they'll do it they'll do it for you like it was your content they just they put your content online. You put an advertising on it, and you get, like, it's like a penny. Oh, via AdSense account or something? Yeah, it's a fascinating thing.

But for the UFC, they don't play. So if it says UFC anywhere in the video, they just yank it. They just pull it offline. Is there a law that if there are TVs in the background and you're filming, like, with your cell phone, that that's legal? Because that seems like when you ever search Miley Cyrus from that MTV last night, and it's only the ones that are people filming their TV. That's a good question. And that's why I always wondered if people always had a TV behind them to show video clips and stuff like that, because that's kind of like... Well, I do know that one thing, that if you have a video,

like say if you have a video, like a scene from a movie, that that scene from a movie has a digital signature. They can find that digital signature on YouTube. So like a song as well, like a song has a digital signature. And so they can do a search on that digital signature. So if they say there's a Paul McCartney band on the run, they're playing band on the run in a video, they can find that that has band on the run in it.

Somehow or another, they can do that. If you take it and you film it with your phone, and obviously I'm an idiot to not listen to me here. I'm just speculating. I know nothing about computers. But from my idiot perspective, I would imagine that it would have a different digital signature. It would be a different length. The sound quality would be different. If you were doing it from a phone, you'd have the ambient noise of the room that you're doing in.

You might have you breathe. You might fart. Maybe a lot of shit is on the video. Some might not recognize it. But that's just, I don't even know why I'm speculating. Fucking wasted all your time. Yeah, damn software. A lot of people out there going, oh yeah, Joe Rogan says it's totally legal because he fought it or something.

You keep on questioning everything. You can't stop. Let me ask this on that show. The question. I looked up the one. I think I'm done questioning things. With the one with chemtrails. Yeah.

That one, I don't know either way. I'm not fucking up there. But there is a difference between the ones that do dissipate right away and the ones that stick around. What do they say about that? I am absolutely not a scientist nor anything that i will say on any whether it's about fucking air travel or space exploration anything that i'll say on anything the the caveat that must be stated is i don't know what the fuck i'm talking yeah i have no education these subjects and i'm merely reiterating things that I've heard people say online.

If you were to say that, everyone would think so, though. You know what I mean? You sound confident about it. That's the problem. That's the problem. It's awesome. I sound like an idiot. Especially if I'm wrong, and I'm super confident.

That's how cults get started. Yeah, exactly. 100%. Yeah, people are confident. People want to listen to them. But I'm super honest about what I know and what I don't know. I'm fucking as honest as is humanly possible, even if it makes you look like an asshole. But in that situation, I do know for a fact that when contrails are more likely, there's a map on a NASA website.

You can go to NASA's website, and they'll show you where contrails will linger in the sky and where they won't. In fact, in 1942, the government was doing a research project on what they called persistent condensation trails. And what they discovered is during various atmospheric conditions, whether there's a lot of moisture in the atmosphere or less moisture, depending on what the conditions are, it will change the length of the contrails that appear behind jets. And when you burn jet fuel, it creates moisture.

And when you create moisture out of that burning jet fuel and it changes the temperature of the air as it passes through like that, you literally create a cloud. And so when people are looking at that and they're thinking, oh, the government's spraying us with fake clouds, it's very easy to think that.

It's very easy. And this does not mean that they haven't done tests and really unethical things with spraying aerosols from planes. We know they have. We know that pesticides are sprayed from planes, okay? So we're familiar. We have that archetype in our head of spraying poison.

We've seen the footage from Vietnam where they sprayed Agent Orange to defoliate vast parts and jungles. We've seen all that shit. So we're wary of things that are sprayed from planes. And you should be. all that shit. So we're wary of things that are sprayed from planes. And you should be. But you should also know that there is a huge difference between that and what you're seeing in the sky

on a regular basis. And when you start saying that what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis is the government spraying chemicals, you really throw a monkey wrench into the whole idea of them actually spraying chemicals. Because first of all, the argument is they're spraying aluminum and

barium again i'm not a scientist i'm half retarded again took a lot of shots to the head as a youngster but the reality is if they did spray aluminum and barium in the sky it wouldn't linger like a cloud it's lingering like a cloud because it's a cloud and i know a lot of people have invested a long amount of their life wanting to think that what they're seeing is chemicals. And so it fucks with you because it's hard to admit that you're wrong. It's hard to change gears. We all know that. Correct.

But in this situation, we have to look at it. There might be times when someone's spraying something from the sky, but the majority of what you're seeing is just a byproduct of a jet engine going through condensation and then there's the reality people say well are they geoengineering no but yes so here's the reality the reality is even though it's just an accidental byproduct of jet travel it does change the environment and it is geoengineering but it's not on purpose it's just a part of flying. If we're going to have... There's 93,000 fucking flights a day worldwide.

A day. So they're burning jet fuel in the sky, above your head. They're taking toxic fuel in fucking hundred-gallon wings full of this shit. Your wings are filled up with fucking fuel. And they're burning that shit up in the sky and creating clouds.

Fuck yeah, it changes the environment environment but it's just like pollution changes the environment in la when you drive it on the highway it's not the government spraying pollution okay it's fucking pollution it's just a byproduct of human civilization and a byproduct of air travel is a they're burning jet fuel in the sky and b it creates persistent condensation trails under certain atmospheric conditions. This is the best that I could discern after research and talking to real experts. But this doesn't—this is where people go, you're a fucking disinformation agent. Joe Rogan's working for the government. You've got to stop and look at this shit rationally.

If you're wrong about the majority of what you see in the sky, you discredit the possibility, the very real possibility, that things have been done. Like there's a study about St. Louis. I think it was St. Louis. Hold on. Let me pull this up. St. Louis. There was something that was in the news really recently that they discovered. Radiation.

I think chemtrails are just an excuse for pansies that like to look at clouds. Clouds are beautiful, man. I'm just curious on why some stick around and why some don't. Okay, so this is because of atmospheric conditions. There's a difference between sometimes it rains and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes there's clouds, sometimes there's nothing in the sky. The conditions apparently, when it's right before a crowd, like it's kind of hazy, those are the conditions that are best for creating these persistent condensation trails.

And people have to understand these are fucking Southwest Airlines flights you're looking at. These are, you know, unmarked government planes. Man, do you really know that? What kind of fucking telescope do you have? How much research have you actually done? Or are you like me? Do you just reiterate shit that you learn online? Well, doing this show and doing the show on chemtrails, more people

got fucking mad at me because of chemtrails than anything. And I take part of the blame for that. One of the reasons why is because I think they did a shitty job of editing it. And there's no disrespect, but the way the people edit that show, they have eight hours of footage, they have to slam down it at 44 minutes. And to them, it wasn't

important to totally, completely explain what causes a chemtrail. I didn't have 100% say, or a contrail rather, I didn't have 100% say as to how the show got edited. I had say after the fact, I would voice my opinion,

it would get overruled, or they would listen to me, it varied. And in this, I lost. And in this, I think we created a bad product. I don't think it represented fully the correct full explanation of what contrails are.

I think because it's such a complex issue, I think we owed a very complex and scientific explanation. But the problem is people think that shit's boring. Like what I just said right now, the majority of people listening that would watch American Idol would go, what the fuck are you yapping around? This podcast is not for everybody, you know? And this conversation is not for everybody. But if you want to make a TV show, it kind of has to be for everybody for the network to accept it. Until it becomes really successful or finds its niche and then people, you know, like

South Park, they can do whatever the fuck they want, you know, because it's a proven product. If you had another show where you tried to make a cartoon where a gay guy is stuffing Paris Hilton up his ass and winning a slut off, they would go, what the fuck are you talking about? No, you can't do that. But South Park is so successful and so proven in the market that they do that. But when your show's not proven, it's hard to have your say as to how things get done. It's a complex dance, and I don't think we pull it off.

But it's part of the thing of creating something, when you try to create a show. I feel personally responsible for it, though though because a lot of people got angry and i think a lot of that anger could have been avoided when i first started looking at chemtrails uh online i too believed that it was a possibility like is it possible to just point this off right in front of our face they're just spraying the sky but they're not the more you look into it you go no there's photos from 1980 that show these contrails like long ones that lingered in the sky people say when we were younger they didn't linger actually they did you just don't remember pay attention how much the fuck do you pay attention to clouds created by jets when you're eight you know can you really

tell me exactly what the fuck you saw i barely remember shit i did last week i mean i'm being honest i barely remember important shit. I did shows that I did that were great. I got a standing ovation. I barely remember them. You're telling me you remember these fucking contrails from when you were eight years old? Do you remember the footwork drill that we did today? I fucking remember that shit, dude. I learned some stuff from

DwayneBang.com today. Dwayne won't let you forget it either, man. These people that I'm talking to, there's a problem with doing this show. And this is why I don't know if I'm going to continue doing it. I mean, first of all, SyFy hasn't asked me to forget it either, man. But these people that I'm talking to, there's a problem with doing this show. And this is why I don't know if I'm going to continue doing it. I mean, first of all, sci-fi hasn't asked me to do it again. But even if they do, I have to really think about how it's... I don't think I'm doing what I want to do.

I don't think it's coming out the way I want it to come out. There's part of it that is. Like, there was an episode we did on transhumanism. It's all, like, complicated, the science of extending human life. Oh, okay. I love that. Because I got to talk to all these super intelligent people and pick their brain and ask really important to me questions.

I love that. But talking to people that are telling me they're seeing bulletproof wolves and ghosts and shit that pops out of the – there's a wormhole and out came a bulletproof wolf. Oh, that sure happened. I'm sure you didn't have a camera. I mean, why would you while you're out there hunting for bulletproof wolves? I just, I got tired of it. I got tired of talking to people that are just crazy people or silly people or people that need a fucking hug.

There's a lot of that out there. Yeah, that's true. A hundred percent. And there's also a lot of people that really believe what they are saying. And it's not because they're assholes it's because they lack critical thinking skills whether no one's taught it to them whether they've ignored them whether it's the way they were raised whether it's the environment they grew up in whether it was the ideas they were exposed to as a young person i don't know what has caused the situation that we're talking about but there's a lot of people out there that are thinking in a very piss poor way and i've been one of them in

the past man i've been i've believed in a lot of stupid shit in the past. You know, that I was convinced probably was real. There's a thing, I always talk about this, a thing called rods. These fucking,

they look like jellyfish that fly through the air faster than you can see. There's a whole video on them, Roswell rods. Then I watched a show called Monster Quest where they showed

what they really are. It's just a video artifact. Like when you have a camera and it's going on slow motion and something flies past in front of it, it stretches out and makes it's a blur it's fucking blur so i was convinced these things were flying through the air all around us because i had seen this video and i was like looking for him dude the guy who made this video does not want to admit that they don't they don't exist not only that he actually showed up at the ufc expo

when i was doing a q a and he asked he got in line and and said he needed to talk to me about roswell ros and he's coming on my podcast because they are real and uh those people on monster quest fucked him and they i don't know how they could have fucked them because they they basically showed the same scene there was a a campfire or a light and a bunch of bugs were flying in front of the light and they set two cameras in front of it one of them was an HD super fast camera to use for like super slow-mo and the other one was like a regular video camera well the regular video camera showed these rods they were flying across because it's an artifact and if you look at how it's flying

across the video it's not flying that fast like I can see it so how can I not see it with my eyes but I can see it on camera. The other one just showed it's just bugs. Did you see the underwater ones and the space ones? Oh, for sure it's totally real. There is without a doubt information the government has been hiding. Dude, what you're doing right now

is you're making a plea to ridicule. Rods are just tiny chemtrails. Nice. They might as well be you know i thought they were real man i really did you know i i saw a video once it showed that there were fucking uh buildings on the moon like this this fucking guy had he like had these images oh even worse than that how about the face of mars how about that motherfucker you ever see the face on mars no yeah well there's images that people swear to you. The government is basically doctor to second, more high-resolution images. There was some photos they took a long time ago of Mars, and as they flew over Mars.

It shows what looks like a five-sided pyramid, I think, and a face, a face on Mars. I've seen those photos, yeah. And even my own friend, who I love dearly dearly Graham Hancock wrote a dumbass book about all this shit I love this friend dearly dumbass dumbass but he admits it was a mistake he admits it but shit that shit's important man that's the thing you clearly it's a faith if you look at the shape it does not appear in nature this is either two eyes bitch you don't know what the fuck you're looking at okay you're looking at a spot that you decided. That's like looking at the clouds and thinking that you're seeing dragons.

You know? You also could be seeing a fucked up cloud. Because clouds aren't perfect symmetrical squares, you shithead. All right? And you're looking at some thing that you barely tell what the fuck you're looking at. Clearly, it's a faith on Marth. And there's a dude who has these videos where he measures these arbitrary distances. Like if you measure from

the nose to the left front center of that pyramid, it is the exact same distance as the sphinx to the Pyramid of Giza. And you're like, how the fuck did you come to that conclusion? In the White House. Yes, if you look at it from the White House in a 44-inch television in the corner

where Clinton used to get his blowjobs, from that room, clearly the pyramid has a face on it that looks like the face on Mars. I rest my case. And people fucking buy the DVD and call each other on the phone and, dude, there's some shit you gotta see. There's a man who's dropping some truth, some mad truth about the pyramid. And the next thing you know, you're getting fucking email blasts. Have you seen this about the pyramid?

Like, you motherfuckers. It's not a fucking face on the mars there might be but that's not it i mean there might be some other shit it doesn't mean there's not some other shit as a matter of fact the pyramid shapes on mars are way more interesting than the um the face because the face when they show the high resolution image of the face these have been doctored clearly doctored these are not high resolution photographs in fact they show the high resolution image of the face, these have been doctored, clearly doctored. These are not high resolution photographs. In fact, they are less than half of the gigabytes that it would be if it was a true 85-gigabit fucking picture. But there are some symmetrical objects that exist

that do look like five-sided pyramids. You pull up that, because that is kind of interesting. I want to see that. It's kind of interesting. But it's also possible that those things exist naturally. There's a lot of weird shapes that exist naturally. Like there's this, I forget what it's called, giant something, giant's causeway, I think, in Ireland.

Let me think if that's it. Let me see if that's it. But it's this crazy rock formation that's totally natural. Ireland, I-R-L-E-N-D. I think that's what it is. I need formation that's totally natural. Ireland. I-R-L-E-N-D. I think that's what it is. I need to get the images here. Yeah, that's it.

Go there. Where? Go to Giant's Causeway in Ireland. And tell me this shit doesn't look like some motherfuckers were building a building. But it's not. It's not at all. It's just some weird, crazy, natural formation. If you saw this on an image of Mars,

if someone sent you this, clearly these are cobblestones on a Martian street. They have cars like ours. They're probably shaped like us. Go to that. Have you found it? Look at these images. Look at this shit.

Look at that. Where is this? This is in Ireland. Tell me if you saw that on Mars. You wouldn't start shitting your pants Yeah, clearly there is a sophisticated civilization That's just natural shit. Perhaps aliens came down and ruined them took their women Look at that. I mean that shit looks so Wow that looks so unnatural

100% it looks like someone made a cool ass 100% It looks like someone made a cool ass cobblestone street But it's just a natural formation when these I don't know what the fuck causes the stones to be shaped in these weird patterns But look at that

If you looked at that you would swear that has to be made by somebody But it's not It's totally natural And there's varying stages of it They can actually see how it's developed. I don't know. I'm not, obviously, not a, what are they called?

What's a geologist? Expert. Someone who understands rocks. Those dudes, they look at it. There's another disagreement that Graham Hancock has with some of the people. Graham Hancock is this famous dude who wrote this book called Fingerprints of the Gods. Wow. Brilliant, brilliant guy.

And he's exposed a lot of really fascinating shit about ancient civilizations. And he's headed right now to Gobekli Tepe. He's going to be back on the podcast in November. He's going to Gobekli Tepe live to check this out because Gobekli Tepe is essentially a structure that affirms all of his beliefs. He believed that there was an ancient civilization

that lived far earlier than we're giving modern civilization credit for, and that they were capable of very sophisticated things, but something happened, and they were most likely wiped out by meteors or something like that. Well, two things have happened since he wrote that book. One, the discovery of Gobekli Tepe.

14,000 years old, as old as? 14,000 years old? Fucking massive as. 14,000 years old. Fucking massive stone pillars with animals carved in them. Back when they thought that people were just like riding on horseback, barely. You know, hunting, gathering. Like that's all they did. Meanwhile, they're building these insane, huge, complicated structures. And the discovery of the impact of the Clovis Comet.

They know for a fact that most likely all of the life in North America, like all of the people that lived in North America, were wiped out about 12,000 plus years ago. They know that a huge comet hit. It's called the Clovis Comet. And there was like a recent discovery about it, a recent article that was published about it. So they know that there's been some shit that went down.

So because of that, Graham has this eager searching eye, and occasionally even he gets fooled. He'll look at something and he'll think that this thing can't be a natural formation. But then you look at something like the giant's causeway and you go, it might be. There's this thing in Japan, off of

the coast of Yamaguchi, I think it's called. I forget the name of the place. Underwater? Yeah. Really interesting shit. But it could be natural. If you look at this Giant's Causeway thing, it could be natural too.

It could be weird. Go to GrahamHancock.com and pull the images, the underwater images of these structures. So if you see these structures, you can kind of see why someone could say, man, this is man-made. This is definitely man-made. But it doesn't necessarily have to be. But that's like what's really important.

Whenever you're searching for information, you've got to be open to all fucking possibilities. You can't be married to something being real. And where I think a lot like this, they think this is, he thinks this is like a ring of certain, it might be. Yeah, fine. this is like a ring of it might be or it might it's not as it's not as symmetrical

as Giant's Causeway which we know fucking for sure is artificially is naturally created rather so it's like when you come across things like this

or things like chemtrails like you gotta be really sure of what the fuck you're saying and a lot of times people aren't they're just not one of the guys

we interviewed for the show was a really nice guy his name is Michael Murphy and he wrote these documentaries and made these documentaries called what what in the world they sprang and why in the world they sprang i didn't realize how crazy he was to have seen your show he's just a crazy he's a nutty dude but definitely doesn't operate on the same wavelength i do he's you know he's a little high strung you're a little high strung too yeah somebody

listened to this podcast hello pat fucking kettle There should be a warning not to drink caffeine before you listen to this one. Is this bulletproof coffee? What coffee is this? Bulletproof, yeah. My man, good stuff. There's going to be all these people flying off their treadmills into the walls. This is every day, though. Yeah, I'm always hyper as fuck, yeah.

I know you are. I know you are. I don't even have to drink caffeine before practice or anything because he gets me going so much. That's good stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. This stuff is awesome, too.

This bulletproof stuff. A lot of people are saying, like, they can give you heart attacks. Whatever, bitch. What are you, a pussy? I drink a daily. You're a heart attack? Yeah. I don't know if it gives you...

I think that cholesterol most certainly is probably bad for you if you live the average American life. But you know what's really bad for you? The average American life. That's what's bad for you. I, on the other hand, can drink this shit all day long cuz I work out like a terrorist all right did you hear that uber is a purchasing 2,500 of those driverless cars and can you imagine now like just being on your phone and like pick me up and there's

like you know car with no person in it picks you oh that's coming right that's coming for sure those taxis well you know my car i got an infinity and it recognizes the distance between the car in front of me and slows down oh wow and then when the car goes further it speeds up like say if you set your you set your speed limit you set it to 65 in the cruise control and it knows where you're going wow it slows you down like you can just let your foot off the pedal and just chill and it like will you know you have to have your foot ready to break yeah some deer runs across actually not supposed to break right but deer goes in front of you just supposed to for sure that sucks man it's hard to do if you drive a nice car free deer meat deers going

right through your windshield especially if a like a miata or some you see an elk you might want to hit the brakes. Yeah I mean the honest stop pretty quick. Yeah, no one hit a fucking elk with me on your surroundings for sure There was a show that I watched called pig man. You ever watch that show This motherfucker the first of all the reason why brothers up is they have these trucks with these giant grills in the front of them because there's so many wild deer and wild pigs in giant grills in the front of them because there's so many wild deer and wild pigs in texas that they just run into those bitches on the highway all the time and they will fuck your car up so dudes have special bumpers on their car just designed to smash into deer it's like some mad

mac shit like so you have this gigantic pickup truck with this fucking metal battering ram that has it literally like cuts like a V straight towards the, I mean, these are crazy fucking bumpers. The show, they were, it's called

Aporkalypse 2013. Pull the video up because I put it on Twitter. This is the nuttiest fucking shit I've ever seen in my life. Nuttier than, this is a Buddhist

area of Japan where they feel that deer are sacred and there's a video that I tweeted about all these deer everywhere. This is not the opportunity. I miss Japan. Japan were fun trips, man.

They're really cute. They're delicious. I'll shoot those fuckers. I would shoot them right there if everybody went to sleep. I'd pull out a bow and arrow and shoot them right from the hotel. I'm hoping the UFC goes back to Japan and one of these guys find the car. I miss Japan. Going on another one of those trips where I can actually eat food and relax and not stress about my own fight.

Yeah. That would be good. Pull that other video up because it's a crazy thing to look at okay The heat they're shooting pigs from a helicopter. Okay? This is a new one though. This is a two-parter. They did it last year and it was let there be pork I think but this is a porkalypse 2013 and there's a two-parter. And in one of them, he's shooting bows and arrows. He's shooting bows and arrows out of a fucking

helicopter at pigs. Yes way! And killing them. He said it's the only time it's ever been done. Yeah, for sure. He killed three pigs with a bow and arrow. You gotta listen to this, because this is fucking crazy. It's hard enough to shoot a bow and arrow from the ground. This is the craziest thing the Sportsman Channel has ever done.

They're setting it up like these pigs are dangerous which is true but look at this that's pig man and ted nugent this might be one of the greatest i mean look i'm not I'm not a fucking heartless person But there is a reality That they have a real problem With these wild pigs And there is a problem with feeding hungry people as well They absolutely donate all of that meat To Hunters for the Hungry

Yeah he's shooting a fucking bow and arrow At a pig from a helicopter Hunters for the Hungry they donate all this meat So this meat goes to needy families It's a really good wild game it's very healthy for you and these people are very fortunate to be able to get free meals like this yeah that said they're not hunting okay they're a rat look just shot it with a bow and arrow dude they're eradicating what they consider to be problem animals yeah and people say well humans are fucking problem animals like this one animal

rights activist went fucking bananas when i posted this video it was really interesting i watched this read his timeline he was calling for a ted nugent to a fight him in a bar fight to to to either kill himself or die like over and over again calling for him to die or years you want to kill a person but meanwhile meanwhile, this animal killing bothers you, so you want to commit violence to the person. You're protecting the animals by also acting violently.

Yeah, I got so much crap on Twitter for when I went bear hunting and got a giant bear. Did you get a grizzly? No, a black bear. So did you eat it? So we donated all the meat to the local Indians.

I hunted on the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana, and the bear that I killed, I donated it to the local Indians there because, I mean, you should see this Indian Reservation, how they're living. It's pretty bad. I killed this giant bear and posted it on Twitter, and people were eating me up over it. Of course.

Yeah, and they don't realize that by me doing that, I'm actually helping out the population of other animals in the bear. At that time, the bears, they'll kill their own cubs so that they can mate again. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. Well, if they're in a bad situation where there's low resources, you know, people don't like the idea that the resources have to be maintained.

And that if you really study it, and it's so hard to do, but try to talk to someone who really understands game conservation and try to study it from an objective perspective because there is a certain amount of predators that can exist in an environment and there's a certain amount of prey that can exist in an environment and they know what that number is exactly they know how to manage that and they're very diligent about it they change the limits all the time like they do with the salmon population in Alaska they monitor it very closely with salmon weirs. They make sure that the populations are healthy.

They get good numbers running through so people can or can't fish. They open seasons. They close seasons on a whim. If they go, look, there's a fish coming through this weir. Boom, they shut the season down. And that's called responsible management. If you don't have responsible management for wildlife, especially when it comes to deer, you get overpopulation and you get fucking diseases yeah they get a lot of wasting disease you get lime

disease which spreads throughout the east coast there's people that are fucked up from lime disease and lime disease comes from deer ticks and people have to understand like there's more and i i've read this recently no ted nugent told me this recently. Not me. He doesn't like me. But if he talked to me, he probably thinks I'm a liberal. But if he talked, you know, on his show, he was talking about how there is more wildlife as far as deer and as far as coyotes and as far as, like, whatever, wild game in this country now than when Christopher Columbus came here.

Oh, wow. How fucking crazy is that? First of all, how the fuck do you know that? How do you know that? Who was to the count back then? But second of all, if he's right, and the idea is that with less forest than there used to be back then, like before, it was like fucking forest everywhere. Yeah.

The deforestation has actually created larger areas. Like agriculture has created much more opportunity for deer to eat. So there's more deer now than ever before. They're more successful because there's less like mountain lions around and shit because there's people around. They hear the cars and shit. They're not just like actively running. Yeah, so they're getting to breed more. And you got to manage that population.

If you don't, you have deaths on the road. Not just the deer, but people. I mean, if you've ever Googled deer through windshield, you want to see some horrific fucking scenes of destruction. People die every year because deer go through their windshield. And a lot of folks don't know that, but a deer has a fucking 180-pound hunk of bones and steak. And you hit it with your car, and you're fucked, man. Stop trying to be cute.

I'll show you some cows too, bitch. You eat cheeseburgers like a motherfucker. People don't realize either the money you pay for those tags to go kill that animal too. You're donating that money to the wildlife preservation, you know? Yes. Like I just spent over 400 bucks on a deer tag in the route for the Ruby Mountains. In fact, hunters donate more money

for conservation and have more impact on conservation because of the amount of money they spend on tags than any pro-animal rights group. Absolutely. Than any. The amount of money they spend on tags than any pro animal rights group. Absolutely. Than any. The amount of money that you get from tags and from management, you can't just leave them alone. Like people go like, let those animals go! Let them alone!

You have to understand that you're a fucking animal too. There's a delicate game that's going on between us and all the other... And yes, as the highest intellectual animal with thumbs on the planet Earth not in the ocean You know it's debatable whether or not we're smarter than dolphins if we can't understand their language and they can understand us I think it's debatable, but as the smartest the more and the one who's looking like what's the best case scenario for mankind? Well no more war love your brother everybody gets along we have the perfect civilization in a hundred years We all get our shit together we all agree that you can't show cruelty to animals and make that happen you can't be stomping people's cats and shooting people's dogs you know and so we associate our

dogs and our pets who we love very much our cats and what have you we associate that with wild animals but that's some baby shit okay because wild animals will fucking eat your asshole if you go out there and you go wandering around and you fall down you sprain your ankle and a fucking bunch of wolves find you guess what fuck face that's a wrap and the only thing that keeps those wolves from doing that is they know we have the bang sticks and the cars and all the shit that they're scared of they stay the fuck away That's it. It's not that wolves aren't beautiful man. I fucking love wolves. I think they're majestic I watched documentaries on wolves. I bet I've watched a hundred documentaries on wolves

I watched a documentary about the dude who lived with the wolves and his gigantic wildlife containment and he would actually Stuff a liver into the carcass so that he could prove that he was the alpha he would eat the liver first and growl at all the other people that guy's crazy well you were talking about that fascinating i think they're amazing and i'm so glad they're alive but if one of them is following me i'll shoot it right in the dick oh yeah in a heartbeat if i had a gun and a wolf was following me i'd be like are you fucking crazy i have kids you fucking punk most of my information i know that you're talking about is actually coming from the podcast i'd fuck it up it doesn't mean i don't love wolves i do love wolves but if i thought a wolf was gonna eat me

i would fucking kill it like you have to do that yeah and people have to understand that that used to be a really common occurrence people killed killed wolves all the time. Between 15 something to 250 year period in Paris, wolves killed 3,000 people in France. Wow. Wrap your fucking head around that. Oh that's right, we were talking about that, yeah. Dude! That's a lot of fucking people. Yeah. They're smart, sneaky things that eat meat, okay? What are we? Stupid, lazy fucks that get drunk and we're made out of meat all right it's pretty fucking simple but everybody wants to look at them it's like beautiful that's one of these that you know I feel amazing yes amazing yes also they have to be managed if I had a if I had a home I owe me I probably wouldn't too kind-hearted oh you say

that yeah say that you have one that's I got to the point yeah you kids were starving and it was wintertime. Yeah, I choked the fuck out of something. Fuck, yeah, you would. I know you do. Are you kidding me? You just are kind. Right now I'm just nice, yeah.

You're kind if you don't have to be mean. If you got put to the point, yeah, then things would change for sure. Yeah, but I wouldn't do it right now for fun. No, you should never do it for fun. And that's why it's fucked up to watch this pig man thing because on one hand, I agree that they have to do what they're doing. Those pigs cause devastation to wildlife. They cause auto accidents left and right. They run across the roads.

They fucking devastate farms and cost people who have this land. There are family banks on it. It costs them a lot of fucking money. That is reality. And then there's also reality that they're a life form. They're a life form. Maybe they shouldn't be shot in the head with machine guns from a helicopter. Yeah, they're glamorizing it.

Also making money off it, making it seem cool to kill animals and stuff. You're right. You're right. But then again, the food goes to the... They have to be killed because they are a problem. There's so many... I don't know if this is true, but I read this. So let's just repeat it. There's almost as many

Pigs in Texas As there are people Huh Wrap your fucking head Around that There's almost as many Let's just google that Texas is a big ass place too

Number one But there's a lot of pigs there Yeah And we're not talking about women How dare you How dare you Shame those women You're fat shaming

I didn't even catch that shit You're fat shaming asshole shit you're fat shaming asshole it's a red band be nice fat shamer i bet you slut shame too you asshole slut shame and fat shame um numbering in the millions these shockingly destructive and invasive wild hogs wreck havoc across the southern united states wow they're so fucking strong and tough, wild pigs, that what happens is domestic pigs get out, and it's a weird thing, but within three weeks of being out in the wild,

fending for themselves, their body actually starts changing. The hair grows coarser. Oh, yeah, you're talking about this, yeah. Their tusks grow. It's nuts, man. Quick evolution, bro. And they are not shy about fucking.

They fuck up a storm. And then they just start dominating. They just start taking over land. And they don't have very many natural predators. So apparently they do 400 million in damages annually. Wow. God damn. That's a lot.

Yeah. That's good. They also cause fish kills because they fuck with ponds so much. They stomp around in them that they get the ponds so muddy from running around in them that they choke off the fish. They're nuts, man. I raised pigs growing up to sell them for 4-H for an auction. And, dude, they're a pain to deal with. I mean, they mess up everything. They tear down, man. I raised pigs growing up to sell them for 4-H for an auction. And, dude, they're a pain to deal with. I mean, they mess up everything.

They tear down your fences. They cause more problems than they are to take care of, for sure. Okay, this might not be right. What I said might not be right about the numbers of people. Because apparently, but the number, this other article, which is on NBC, says that they cause $1.5 billion in damages nationwide each year. The other one was just Texas. And there's currently

more than 5 million wild hogs in the United States, and within a few years, they're saying that the number of feral hogs is going to triple. Five years in Texas. Triple! Fucking triple! They need to get hunting.

They literally almost have to do this yeah where they're shooting them out of helicopters they carry crazy amounts of diseases and unless you want to just start fucking reintroducing wolves to texas you got to take care of these motherfuckers something's got to eat them you can't just have these things you have an imbalance the reason why there's millions of wild hogs running through these fields is because there's nothing killing them They're not supposed to be there like there's a problem And so you have to figure out a really extreme method of solving this problem Then there's no more extreme method than Ted Nugent and the pig man in a fucking helicopter with machine guns

And yes, and no yes, it's cruel. Yes. It's horrible. Yes. I'm an animal lover. Yes I have two cats and two dogs. But I fucking saved that shit on my DVR. I'm going to watch it again. I need to watch it. I came with this shooter with a bow. That's insanity. Well, he misses the first shot because he has to actually factor for the wind coming off the helicopter.

I'd imagine. Yeah, so it's pushing the arrow down. So it's shot low. So he has to sort of lead it. Fucking fascinating. Yeah, and you don't have sights for that. That's all judgment. You, so it's shot low. So he has to sort of lead it. Fucking fascinating. Yeah, and you don't have sights for that. That's all judgment. You know what I mean?

Meanwhile, he misses the first shot, second shot, heart shot, heart shot. I mean, he's just nailing this thing. Oh, he's fucking super deadly accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, horrible and sad that these poor animals have to die. But there is an imbalance. And as the stewards of the land, I think there's a good argument that humans are supposed to maintain that shit, right?

You know what would get better ratings though? If they just had one of those big slingshots and they just put pigs in there and tried to see how far they could flip them. Well, it's hard to catch the pigs, man. They do catch the pigs and knife them. They catch the pigs.

On some of the episodes, they catch the pigs with dogs. They have two separate types of dogs. One dog catch the pigs and knife them. They catch the pigs. On some of the episodes, they catch the pigs with dogs. They have two separate types of dogs. One dog finds the pigs and bays them, and then the pit bulls come in. And then the pit bulls have, like, leather vests on so the hogs can't rip them apart, and they just lock on to them and hang on. And then they come and kill them with a knife. Oh, wow. That's a process.

It's fucking gangster. That's some teamwork right there. Yeah, and it's crazy to watch because it is as primal as it can get. And I think the only reason why people aren't watching it is because it's on a sportsman's channel. I mean, who goes to channel 605 on DirecTV? You've got to be looking for some weird porn if you're that high up on – that's like porn in Spanish. It's like those are those weird channels.

Like, how did you get over there? Except like Fuel's in that range, right? There's a lot of great fights. That's like the fucking UFC network, man. I didn't even know that they had a new... That's the network, the Fox One? Yeah, Fox Sports One. Oh, it's incredible.

The ratings for Fox Sports One were off the charts for the first UFC card. That's why they put together that insane card. I mean, that card was nasty. That was a good card. Chael Sonnen versus Shogun. Unexpected. Crazy.

That was awesome. And then before that, Alistair versus Travis Brown. I mean, there's Matt Brown versus, oh, yeah, Jesus Christ. There's so many good fights. Mike Pyle. Yeah. Quicksand. There's so many good fights on that card.

It was like one good fight after another good fight. It was like a pay-per-view worthy card. Yes, for sure. I mean, you know, a lot of people were upset about the Sun and Hua Fai. Both are a little bit past their prime. Chael's lost a couple fights in a row, but what a fucking great fight it turned out to be. You know, and you get to see that Chael can still finish guys. People sleep on that shit, man.

That guy's a beast. He gets a hold of your neck, man. He knows how to finish guys, too. Just because he hasn't done it on a lot of guys. If you watch the way he closed off Brian Stan, that is not a dude who's just doing that for the first time. That's a dude who's really good at finishing people. He just hasn't been doing it. Yeah, that's the thing.

He's been fighting tough dudes, man. Absolutely. Really tough guys. He's been fighting the top of the food chain guys. It's like what we went back to when we were talking about Mighty Mouse. People say that Mighty Mouse is boring. Bitch, you're crazy. He's exciting as hell.

He's one of the most exciting guys ever. It's just he's fighting guys who are almost a mirror image of him. When he's fighting Benavidez, when he's fighting Ian McCall, those guys are so fucking good. You're just in the mix with this. The techniques areting each other off Yeah, exactly Razor thin I can't wait to a benefit us and I might about fighting and that's gonna be good

Yeah, benefit us was September 4th gets for Amiga in Brazil and then hopefully gets a title shot after that. How old is he now? 28 Do you think that it used to be that the lighter weights like where they were much better when they were in the youngest yeah the youngest age like how old are you I'm 27 yeah like that's like a perfect time to be developing between like 22 and like 29 and 30 but like with a heavyweight guys are sort of coming in their prime when they're hitting like 30 and 31 like it seems like the larger men learn how to move their body better later in life Okay, whereas like younger guys they seem to like hit their threshold of where they kind of peak and fade off earlier

Do you feel that's that's accurate? I'm not even lighter guys That have to start watches. I don't I feel like I've gotten stronger now that I've gotten older, you know I feel like I've got a little more man's man muscle and right, you know, I feel like I've gotten stronger that way You just got Brian's got a hard on More boner pills Man muscle and stuff, you know? I feel like I've gotten stronger that way. You just got, Brian just got a hard on. Man muscle. And what, uh. Helps more boner pills. At what age, it's like, what is the most successful older, lightest weight fighter?

Because, you know, obviously you have Randy, who's the most successful. The oldest, like, high-level fighter was Randy. Because Randy was, like, world title fights at 46. He was the exception, yeah. He was fighting Machida at 48, you know. Yeah. He was fighting very high level. Shui Uriah is doing pretty good, and he's what, 34?

34 or 35, yeah. So he's probably the oldest of the high-level lighter weight guys. Yeah. And hasn't lost a step. No. He's getting better. No, he's good, man. The whole team is just kicking ass, man. It's fun as hell for me to be there, man.

Do you have an alternative name for alpha males? The whole team. What if it becomes the bangzillians i got that from actual ufc magazine i didn't create that but i like it that's like that so we go with that bangzillians yeah you're gonna need some sort of a brazilian element you gotta bring in some bangzillians but why zillion do you have i don't know i don't know what the guys you train with zero oh no How about the Bang? Oh, no. There's one there now that Professor Fabio brought.

How about We're an American Bang? American Bang? Some Bang sessions? Instead of American Band? Ah, get it? Team Alpha Bang? We're an American Bang. Bang's just going to be secondary.

It can't be Bang, Team Alpha Male. It's going to be Team Alpha Male Bang. I see. I understand. I love tweeting that I just had a great bang session yeah the guys their tweets are awesome some of our retweets that doesn't help the douche element no not at all it encourages it it encourages it for sure everybody wants to bang but if you just say yeah i'm gonna go bang my girlfriend everybody's like you fucking strange douche yeah it's like there's a fine line between

what everybody wants and what everybody talks about. Yeah. And you've got to be real careful about that. Everybody wants to fuck, but if you talk about fucking, I'm like, ah, get out of here. Too scared to admit. Yeah. You can't say anything. Too conscious of ridicule.

I just banged my girlfriend twice, bro. Made her come like 80 times. I win. You know, you put that on Twitter. That's a successful man. You put that on Twitter and you're just going to get, yeah. For sure. Ridicule. As if that's not what everybody wants You know I don't mind it I got three kids now

I think though it's like one of those things It's like if you're really rich and you start bragging about it People are like douche There's a lot of people that are poor So if you're like Captain Fucks A Lot And you're out there slinging dick like a ninja Oh shit Having sex with Jessica Biel

and putting pictures of her ass on Twitter. Asshole! It bothers people. Like, there's a photo. Let's be honest. There's a photo of Jenny McCarthy with Donnie Wahlberg, and we saw it on CNN.

Whatever the fuck it was. CNN, breaking news. Donnie Wahlberg put his penis inside of Jenny McCarthy. I wonder if they got vaccinated before they did it. You look at the picture, and you're like, oh, he gets a bang hurt. Oh, shit. What are your thoughts on vaccines? Walbert put his penis inside of Jenny McCarthy. I wonder if they got vaccinated before they did it. You look at the picture and you're like, he gets a bang hurt.

Oh, shit. What are your thoughts on vaccines? What are your thoughts on vaccines? My kids have been vaccinated. I think some vaccines are very important. I think there's a lot of vaccines for sure. And there's different protocols that people follow. There's some doctors that have a protocol

where you slowly vaccinate your children instead of giving them this gigantic amount. And I think that is... Look, you're not supposed to give babies peanut butter, man. You know? If you give peanut butter to babies, you never know if your kid's allergic to peanuts. You have to find out.

Babies are super sensitive and very delicate. They're very fragile. That said, the human immune system, without a doubt, has benefited from vaccines. I just don't know if we have too many of them or if in the past, I know for a fact, and I'm a supporter of vaccines, without a doubt. I don't want to be even blurry about this. I think vaccines have changed this world and have made society safe for us from a lot of different ailments. That said, nothing is perfect. And for sure, without doubt, there have been people that have been harmed by vaccines.

The question is, is it worth that risk to continue vaccinating people? Is it worth the risk that the one out of X people have received damage? I personally think yes. I personally think yes, and I personally think you should proceed with caution. I think you should I mean, there should be a lot of different things that you read about from very educated people about the subject. And the reality is that educated people, for the most part,

agree that vaccines are important, but the objective ones are willing to admit that people have been damaged by vaccines before. I have a friend, and her fucking dad has Lyme disease. And he got it from a vaccine. And he got it from a vaccine they don't even use anymore. Because some people had a genetic predisposition to being adversely affected by this vaccine. So her fucking dad has Lyme disease, man.

And he took a vaccine so that he wouldn't get Lyme disease because he was scared of it. His wife took the same vaccine. Nothing. She actually got vaccinated from Lyme disease, and it worked. But for him,'t get Lyme disease because he was scared of it. His wife took the same vaccine. Nothing. She actually got vaccinated from Lyme disease and it worked. But for him, he got Lyme disease from it. So that is inaction, benefit, and a detraction and a negative effect of vaccines. I think that for the most part, though, look, man, there's a lot of fucking diseases we've eradicated, like polio. There's a lot of shit that we've removed.

But now measles are starting to come back. There's certain diseases that we thought we got rid of that people are starting to get. And one of the blames for that is that people aren't vaccinating their kids for measles. There's certain, and a lot of people were afraid because the word was that it was the measles, mumps, and rebellia. That was the one. That was the vaccine that was giving people all sorts of health problems. And there's been lawsuits, man.

A lot of people don't realize this. A lot of money has been given out in vaccine court for damage that was caused by vaccines. Doesn't mean the vaccines are bad. It's, again, it's one of those really complicated, nuanced issues where it's not a fucking grand design of eugenics

by the elite to control the population and dumb us down it's not, it's doctors trying to solve pandemic diseases safe human beings, safe civilization it was one of the more interesting things about my show was to me getting to talk to these

disease specialists and scientists and doctors that were talking about various pandemic diseases how many people are affected by tropical diseases they were talking about people in poor like africa and tropical environments where like everyone has parasites everyone has certain diseases and like sexual diseases that are that are super dangerous like a type of syphilis that you can't cure, and then all these morphing, changing diseases. They're trying to constantly stay on top of these fucking things. And there's diseases like MERS.

You ever heard of MERS? There's some disease called MERS that kills literally half the people that it gets infected by, or half the people that get infected with it. There's nutty shit out there, and there's doctors that are scrambling to try to cure these things and try to come up with vaccines. But in the process, sometimes there's damage. You said you talked about this on one of your shows that came out?

Yeah, on the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show. That one already aired? Yes. Yeah, that was like, let's find this out, payouts. That was, I think it was two weeks ago. Then last week, everybody got mad at me again. That was an okay one Nobody got mad at me, but then last week was aliens and everybody was like dude You did not provide them I got all these how come you didn't show this video and this guy puts this on my message board

Clearly this is a wormhole like bitch. That's someone's headlight That's headlights on a dark meanwhile. It's like you barely can see what the fuck that is man yeah so oh my god really imagine the stuff you got to deal with oh god oh yeah the amount of fucking people that have been paid out in vaccine court there's a lot of pans yeah it's like it happens all the time apparently well not all the time But it's been millions of dollars Two new cases reported here Vaccine court awards millions to two children with autism Wow

So that's the thing that people say That no, vaccines don't cause autism And that's the argument Like some say it does and some say it doesn't I don't know man, I'm not a fucking doctor That's a real problem when I look at this kind of data I have this saying that it's terrifying When you're too stupid to know who's dumb. That's how I feel about this stuff.

Because when I read that, that a court awarded millions of dollars to two children with autism. Vaccine court awards millions to two children with autism. I read that and I say, okay, well, that means vaccines cause autism? Is that what that means? Unless they had a couple of shots with autism in it. But they don't have autism in a shot, as far as I know. We got the autism. It says Hannah Poling developed an autistic condition

after receiving nine vaccines in one day. Following the U.S. government conceding her case in 2008, her damages are awarded over her lifetime, reported to be $20 million. Oh, my God. What does that mean then? I don't know what that means. Does that mean that vaccine caused autism?

Because that's what it sounds like. How do they know that she didn't have autism before she got the shots? That's a good question. That's a very good question. And if that's the case, then how the fuck did they award... How did that work out? They gave her $20 million. Then the question is, is it just then the question is is it just bad court decision is it just an uninformed jury back is that what it is i don't understand well this is listen to this since 1989 and as of january of

2013 over 2.5 billion dollars have been paid out from this vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund. So $2.5 billion have been paid out from the vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund. These are numbers that I'm reading off of, like, these are legitimate websites. This isn't like, we're not just making things up. These are not propaganda websites, and they're not trying to hide this. 9,785 claims have been dismissed, and of those claims, 3,982 claimants were paid $52 million to cover their attorney's fees and other legal costs. So they were paid, even the people where the claims were dismissed, they paid their legal fees.

Like, what are they doing there? Are they just saying, listen, bitch, I know you owe a lot of legal money and just let it go. I know you're tired of fighting this. You're never going to win. I don't know. But it is fascinating. I don't understand it, but I know that, like,

when Jenny McCarthy talks about vaccines and causing your kid autism, I have heard dudes who are, most progressive, male feminists, really kind towards women, say some of the most nasty, fucking evil shit to Jenny McCarthy. Because you're allowed to. Because she expresses a very specific opinion about vaccines. And she's obviously not a fucking doctor. And they think that what she's doing is scaring people into not having vaccines and into creating death and illness. Maybe, yeah, maybe.

I don't know. But maybe you need to pay attention to what the fuck I just read. That seems real. New Jersey girl gets $4.7 million for vaccine injuries. Here's another one. This is from 2002.

A New Jersey girl whose mental development was stopped at two months old after a routine immunization has received a $4.7 million settlement from a national trust fund. I mean, what the fuck is going on, man? What does that mean? I don't know if that means that. I mean, in my dumb mind, I read that and I, you know, it doesn't. What's that mean? I don't know if that means that. In my dumb mind, I read that. What's that expression? Causation does not equal something else. What is that expression?

How does it go? Causation doesn't. If you want to seem smart on the internet, you have to repeat this. Causation does not equal. Okay. Does not imply correlation. So just because something was caused it doesn't mean it was correlated with what you're blaming it on like there's a lot of other factors involved yeah

but millions of fucking dollars man billions even given out so that's my opinion about vaccines i think they're very very important i think the people that are working on um vaccines and they're fighting against pandemic diseases are doing an amazing job of keeping people safe. And they've eradicated some really fucking dangerous, horrible pandemic diseases. That said, obviously, some people it fucks up or it seems to at least. And I think it's not an either or situation. I think people have to be really careful about that, because if you're if you're rallying against these people that are talking badly about vaccines, but then these facts are real and are available, what are you doing? Like what are you saying?

It's not an either or. There's a lot of complication there. A lot of chance, huh? It seems like it. I mean from my uneducated perspective, when I read that, and again, causation does not equal correlation. Note how smart I am. I think that you've got to say that this, you know, obviously it's not that cut and dry.

It's not like I'm going to the Supreme Court because I believe that a wizard made my dick small. And then the Supreme Court gives me a billion dollars. That seems like, what was the fucking evidence? I have a small dick. I shouldn't. So there you go. I mean, you're talking about, you know, it seems like, how the, what was the fucking evidence? I have a small dick. I shouldn't. So there you go. I mean,

there you're talking about, you know, it's not that, it's not that fucking stupid. That's the, that's the answer. That's my answer on chemtrails. And it's my answer on vaccines.

Two very complicated issues that a lot of people get real fuckery. Just don't have the good information to say yes or no. It might be that, but it's also that people attach themselves to the shit They believe they want something to be feel a part of and have a something to fight for Did yeah, and if they said something if like you say, you know, the fucking rainbows are created by gremlins, bro And then you start telling people that and you make a video and you put it on YouTube man You're committed to that shit and there's a lot of people out there committed to some really iffy ideas. It's crazy shit.

Like, why are you committed? Are you sure? Are you fucking sure? You shouldn't be sure, man. A lot of fuckery to this world. Like, when you said that you think that you create your own destiny, everything happens for a reason, you might be right. You know, anybody says you're not right is crazy. If you say, if you believe it, you can achieve it, well, you have.

So what the fuck do they know? Maybe that is how the world works. Maybe the world works by your imagination manifesting reality. Maybe the world works by your intention and your focus literally changing the world around you, creating things and opportunities that would not have existed or been in front of you if you didn't do that work, if you didn't experience those revelations and evolutions of your spirit, maybe. You don't fucking know. That's possible too because the world's not that fucking simple. There's a goddamn reason why when you hear a certain song, it reminds you of a certain time in your life or a certain person you knew. You have this intense emotional reaction to it and the beats of the music change your body.

There's certain times where you're by yourself and Sweet Home Alabama comes on the radio at just the right time. And when it says, turn it up. It changes your body. The world is not just made out of numbers, and it's not just

made out of hard surfaces, and it's not just made out of things you can weigh. There made out of hard surfaces and it's not just made out of things you can weigh there's also some weird spiritual aspect to this world yeah you know and i don't i don't i think you you manifest a lot of it with your attitude and your behavior and your actions and i don't know how much of it would have been there without that i don't know i think it's both you know i think it's both if a brick, I think it's both. If a brick drops in your head, it will fucking kill you. That's true too. Yeah, 100%. You know?

Sometimes shit happens, man. Look, the fucking, were the dinosaurs asking for that big asteroid to hit? No, probably not. You know? I don't know if that, I don't know if it's that simple. I think it's both. It's both. You create your reality and shit happens.

That too. Shit fucking happens. You didn't ask to break your ankle in that fight yeah why did that happen that's some shit happens right that's why i'm wondering you know things are you know predetermined for some point that that just kind of led me to make the decision okay 55 is too low of a weight class i'm just destroying my body you know the injuries are just coming too easy maybe if i was at 70 maybe my ankle would have rolled a bit differently and i would have more stability just cutting weight weight, depleting the body too much.

So that was my last fight at 55, which made me go up to 70. So, yeah, who knows? It could have been, or it could have been that you realized after that that you needed to make a change, and being the winner that you are, felt the right path, and went down it and succeeded. Because that's what you do. You dust yourself off, you figure out what went wrong, and you move forward. And that's what you did do.

So it could have been things happen for a reason, or it could have been the reason things happen is because you're a winner. Yeah, makes them all make weird decisions. But that one you can control. Yeah, yeah. See, what I like about that one is that one you can control. And that one seems to make more sense because everybody that I know that has ever succeeded in things, they're winners.

They have that ability to fucking figure out how to get up when they don't want to get up. They have that ability to do the things that they have to do, put in the work that they have to put in, get shit done. And the people that don't, we all know super talented fighters that never made it. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. There's a lot of guys out there.

Just didn't get that shot yet. There's a lot of guys out there that had that special something and never could put it together. There's a few guys that shone so greatly in preliminary fights and you're like, this motherfucker's a world champion. And you're looking at him and you're like, this guy's... And you hear from the people, oh, in the gym he dominates everybody. There's so many fighters like that. How many times have you heard that about

Joe Riggs? Oh, that's right. Yeah, I did hear about Joe Riggs. Yeah, in the gym he's a badass. They used to say that Joe Riggs used to dominate Rich Franklin in the gym. That they would be sparring and Joe Riggs would just be lighting Rich Franklin up. But in competition, he had some great fights and he had some great results and he had a long career. And he's still a bad motherfucker and a great professional fighter. But if you listen to people talk, they make Joe Riggs out to be Anderson Silva.

They make Joe Riggs out to be some magic man. Some dude that on perfect moments, on the right moments. I remember talking to Billy Rush before he died. And Billy Rush was training those guys. And he said to me, he goes, he's one of the greatest talents I've ever seen. He said, this fucking kid can do it all. And he does it all perfect in spurts, in the gym, when his head's right. And then shit happens in that crazy world of chaos.

And sometimes it doesn't come together for you. If it's the reason that everything happens for a reason, then there's some people that got some shitty cards. You know what I mean? No shit, man. If everything happened for a reason, there's a lot of things you can't explain. Yeah.

And in the world of prize fighting, I think that shit manifests itself in such a strange and dramatic way. Because the difference between winning and losing is so much more extreme than golf or tennis or anything else. So many more options. It's not just so many more options. It's so much more devastating a result. You know, you can lose a tennis match and you go home and you're fine. You know, like if you lose an MMA fight, your health can change.

The structure of your face looks different You have to get plates in your face. You have to get your you know your face stitched up. Can't breathe out of my nose Yeah Yeah, I'm sure almost everybody has that right? Had mine operated on a few years back. That's the sweetest thing I've ever done all my life was a mouth breather I broke my mouth my nose when I was like five I I fell down a flight of stairs and it was always like a nasal sound to my voice and I

mouth breathed every practice. Everything I ever did was mouth breathing. Couldn't breathe out of it. That's what I tell these guys. Make sure they're biting down on their mouthpiece. Make sure if you do end up receiving a shot and want the mouth closed and holding it together. That's one of the main things for sure. Make sure they're biting down on the mouthpiece so we get the mouthpieces that you can breathe through the center of the hole a little bit

Right right from unbreakable Hector and Victorville. I can makes the best mouthpieces I'm right. Yeah, and he makes a double an upper and lower with you breathe out of their impressions on the top of the bottom Of your teeth your jaw does lock into place But for my specifically I have a little air channel through the center and I think TJ do you have yours? No Yeah, it's not a double It's a single mouthpiece, but it's got like a little gap underneath it where you can breathe with your mouth shut. Oh, that's very smart. The bottom teeth just don't connect. Okay, that's very smart.

The doubles are a pain. Yeah, the doubles are weird. You can't talk in them. They used to have that power one. Remember they were saying that it makes you whips or something? Oh, whips and brain pad, yeah. It makes you stronger. It makes you less likely to get knocked out. I need to go get that one. Bracelets or something that correct your balance.

Remember those? Yeah. They actually say that your jaw alignment does have some impact on how strong you are. I think there's a science behind it. If you have your mouth open and you try a deadlift, you try a deadlift like, oh. I think literally you're not as strong as if you fucking clamped down. I don't think I've ever deadlifted with my mouth open. Maybe you should try.

It would be interesting to find out if that works. It might be bullshit. Yeah. It might be. I'm going to get my mouth clamp down. I don't think I've ever deadlifted with my mouth open. Maybe you should try. It'd be interesting to find out if that works. It might be bullshit, you know? Yeah. It might be. Get the fuck down. But I think I read that. I think. How long did it take for your nose to heal?

Not that long, man. I was rolling six weeks later. I had a great doctor. His name was Dr. Feinberg. He retired, unfortunately. He was out here in California. He did an amazing job. And they use foam now, so it used to be the nightmare

was getting the packing out. Pull pulling the packing out was incredibly painful Like Lorenzo Fertitta had it that way and he said it was like like someone was like raking his brain. Oh wow Oh, it was really intensely painful. Well, they pull the packing out when it's over Okay, keep it in your nose for like a couple days or something or a week or whatever the fuck it is Actually, it changed the structure of my nose and made it wider because they put they cut the inside of it the the tuber what the fucking thing's called what you mean those turbinator term yeah something like that whatever yeah so i had these things inside so they scraped them down and then he put these splints in that like widened my opening i kept the splints in for like i don't know like a couple weeks or whatever but after it was open

after he cut out the scar tissue and turbinators whatever those things were trim that down it was actually like a wider passage yeah I want to get this done it's amazing oh it's great

I want to get it done I feel like my cardio will be better oh what do you mean 100% there's no doubt about it it'll be but then you gotta realize

you're gonna get hit in the nose yeah I went and talked to a doctor and I actually got something done on my nose I don't know exactly what it's called

but he scraped it like you're talking about and then he shocked it with radio frequency electricity, and it's supposed to shrink the tissue, and it takes like six weeks for it to work. That's interesting. My nose is a little bit better, I guess, you know? But I want to get the full thing done.

I think I need to do it after the next fight. Dude, I've seen pictures of people that did it online where they showed all the meat that they cut out of their nose, the scar tissue. It's fucking crazy. Do you think it'll mess with the structural integrity of their nose? Yeah, the scar tissue. It's fucking crazy Do you think it'll mess with the structural integrity every knows that you know still strong? Yes. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, it doesn't it's one of the doctors was saying they I mean obviously it's doctor's opinion from different from different But he was saying that he thinks the structural integrity of my nose would be worse. I don't think so

I mean, I think look your nose is weak. Anyway, yes little fucking thing you get shinned in that thing It's not I mean whether it's strong. I mean when it's, look, your nose is weak anyway. This little fucking thing, you get shinned in that thing. It's not, I mean, whether it's strong, I mean, when it's in perfect condition, it's weak as fuck. So go on it from there. And then also go on it from, like, the goal is to not get hit in the face. Let's have an extra incentive. And then now your cardio is going to be, like, a good percentage better. Which is way more important. That's huge.

And just don't do what Vanderlei did. Vanderlei got his whole body. He had to get his whole fucking, that was Vanderlei got his whole, he had to get his whole fucking, that was a perfect example of a guy who had to get his whole face reconstructed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had to get his eyebrows scraped down because he was getting cuts. He had massive scar tissue. They had to remove it.

Nick Diaz also. Yeah, yeah. But Nick's was not nearly as extreme. Nick got his shit shaved down, but then they would put it back together again.

He still looked like Nick. Normal, yeah. Well, same, yeah. Vanderlei, they had to normal guy, I mean just same. With Vanderlay, they had to actually take a chunk of his rib and create a piece

of cartilage and rebuild his nose. His nose was flat, dude. That's from not moving your head. Being an animal. Brawling and not moving your head. Charging forward. That was one of the things, I actually have a cauliflower in my nose just i went to put my buddy in the belly one time and he need and my nose just swollen up and it went in with the center of it just filled up with blood hard

and then hard yeah just like your ear cauliflower ear it's the same they went in and lanced it and all this blood just came you know rushing out and they filled it with look like a shoelace and it was up they stepped up in there to suck up the blood and little gaps also. And that was for one of my K-1 fights, you know, however long ago that was. You know, I don't know, six, seven years ago. And then I should say recently, but about three years ago, I had my nose scraped out actually. And they went in there, and he said that the sermon nose was like a snowball in my nose.

So he was scared to take more out, and my nose would collapse. Wow. So they put a little, it looked like a little plastic, orange, orange, like an orange slice. Put them up there to keep it structurally sound.

Yeah, while it heals. Yeah, and then they pulled them out. I was feeling like it was coming out of my brain. That was nice. Yeah, I gotta have that done again. It's my nose. I still can't breathe

through one nostril. The other one's good though. So you gotta make sure I have the mouthpiece. It's just a shitty design. Yeah. I mean, why is it so weak? It's on the front of your face.

It's not designed to get punched in the face. No. It's designed to like. You gotta think, man. There's a a shitty design. Yeah. I mean, why is it so weak? It's on the front of your face. It's not designed to get punched in the face. No. It's designed to like. You gotta think, man. There's a lot of accidents. I don't know if we're designed to be punching each other in the face. Well, I broke mine when I was five. I fell down a flight of stairs.

And I just smashed my nose on the stair. And from then on, it was fucked. I guess that's why we have the option to breathe through our mouth as well. I guess. But what a shit design. Yeah. Because once it got. I didn't realize how important it was

until i got it fixed and then once i got it fixed like the idea of being able to breathe my mouth shut was impossible to me i'd never known it my whole life wake up with a dry mouth wow yeah and then all of a sudden i'm like this is awesome nice i like this yeah i could be like that for a while then it came back again like i would go to yoga class and they would tell me i'm doing it wrong like you have to breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth. Like it doesn't work. Yeah. The shit doesn't work.

Yeah. I was racing my wife with blowing up balloons one time for one of our kids' birthdays. And she would just smash me and I couldn't figure out why. That's crazy. Yeah, it's because I wasn't opening my mouth. I was bringing the air through my nose. So just slowing down the process by half. So she would just smash me on the balloon blowingown up drill so I had to take it out

And I just won had a figure and adapt. What do you think about all these new? Technologies that are coming along that are we had Ian McCall on he was talking about some shit call Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was talking about some some altitude thing. It's okay. It's what it does is it mimics It's not crazy man. Yeah, it's not really does is it mimics It sounded crazy, man. Yeah, it mimics a CVAC pod is what it's called. It does something with changing the altitude inside the

container. It makes a massive difference in your body's ability to assimilate oxygen. I'm kind of up for trying anything. Someone says it works, I need to try this out. Ian's no bullshitter. He's crazy, but he's no bullshitter. I'm kind of up for trying anything, you know what I mean? If someone says it works, like, I need to try this out, you know what I mean? Well, Ian's no bullshitter.

I mean, he's crazy, but he's no bullshitter. Yeah, yeah. And when he's talking about it, he said it was better than a hyperbaric chamber, which I know he used. I love the hyperbaric chamber, man. Yeah. I hurt my shoulder and that thing. My cardio, like, I did it for injury. I got better faster.

But my cardio was insanely good when I started sitting in the hyperbaric chamber. Like, I noticed a big difference. Yeah. I've, I've heard amazing results as far as like the ability to heal. I wish I could afford to be in it all the time. Really? Dude, I would do it. If I could do it once a week, if not more, I would do it.

Don't they make them where you can get it for the gym? They, yeah, they're, they're not, they're not the hard chambers. They're the soft chambers. They don't work as well. You can't get as much, uh, like the hard chambers is a hundred oxygen, and they can put you down to two atmospheric pressures to be low. In the soft chambers, they can't do that. So it doesn't work as well. It works, but not as well as the hard chambers.

What is the variation? What do you mean? In between how much better the hard chamber works than the soft? It's supposed to be so much better. I don't even know exactly. I've done a little bit of the soft chambers and the i can tell big difference when i'm sitting in the hard chamber and where would you go to do that do you go to a chiropractor no i uh there's a place there's places to do hyperbaric chambers that's what they do they

just only do hyperbaric chambers and uh it was in sacramento um i i got prescribed through it for my physical therapist he's the one that told me about it are they stupid expensive oh yeah like 100 grand or something crazy? Oh, yeah. To buy one of them, it'd probably be a couple hundred thousand dollars. And then you got to fill the oxygen all the time. So for me,

if I went to go do an hour and a half dive, I found the cheapest place to do it and it's still 200 bucks. Wow. For an hour and a half. Wow. That's what's always good about Colorado with high altitude.

Yeah. Whenever you go, you're always good to go. Yeah, but it's the pressure. Yeah, the pressure itself. So it's 100% oxygen and the pressure supposedly speeds up the molecules of healing, and then the way your body absorbs the oxygen.

I can't even tell you the science behind it, but all I know is that it works, dude. And it's supposed to be great for your brain. Wow. Yeah, I've heard nothing but amazing things. I feel like my handwriting got better when I was sitting in there. I'm not joking. I started signing, so I was like, oh, dang, my handwriting. I mean, it could just be a coincidence.

I could use that. Yeah. Yeah, my penmanship sucks. Yeah, but this is supposed to be, according to at least, oh, dang, my handwriting. I mean, it could just be a coincidence. I could use that. Yeah, my penmanship sucks. Yeah, but this is supposed to be, according to Ian, this is even better. It's called Cyclic Variations in Adaptive Conditioning, CVAC. And it's some crazy pod that you lay in, and using proprietary pattern sequences, pressure is increased and decreased to simulate low altitudes

and high altitudes. And as pressure increases, the volume of oxygen in the air naturally increases. Air is thicker and warmer. And as pressure decreases, the volume of oxygen naturally diminishes and the air is thinner and cooler. And they hypothesize that these changes simulate, stimulate an individual's natural adaptation response to environment. And the experience is unique to the individual, but it apparently has massive effects on healing. And there's even scientific findings that were published in medical literature. So it's not like just crazy nonsense that some wacky dude wants to— There's not very many places to do this, right?

I don't think so. I think there's only a few He was saying that there's Clearly there's only one way to survive chemtrails This is what the elites are using to protect themselves from the barium being sprayed whoa It's crunching the pressure doesn't seem like it's a good idea. Well, that's because you're not a doctor, you sick fuck. What, are you giving out fucking advice? I hope your body's stronger than that

water bottle. So there's several of these things in North America. There's nine locations in the California area. Oh, wow. Anything in Northern? I'm trying to find it. This website sucks a fat one. Boy, you have a terrible website, you fuckheads.

And your locations. How about you just list phone numbers instead of having this stupid map that you have to zoom in and out of? This is terrible. Phone numbers and websites? You fuckheads. You guys should go to Squarespace. Squarespace. Get your shit together.

That's a sponsor flag. So there's one in a private residence in Redmond, Washington. Why would you say that? You want to tell us where this dude lives so you can knock on his door? Yo, bro, my fucking ankle hurts. I need to use your machine. Can I borrow your shit, son? It says nine locations here.

Zoom in for details. How do I zoom in, bitch? Why isn't it not letting me zoom in? Because it sucks. Because your website sucks a fat one. Oh, now I'm in Spain. I zoomed in and I zoom in, bitch? Why isn't it not letting me zoom in? Because it sucks. Because your website sucks if that one. Oh, now I'm in Spain. I zoomed in and I'm in Spain. Nice.

How about fuck you? How about fuck you? Fuck you, dummies. I don't really believe that. I don't mean fuck you. I'm just saying that for effect. Shock effect. If they listen to this, he was talking really great about our product, but then I started

criticizing our website and it really hurt my feelings. I mean, look at those MMA guys. I think they get aggressive when they get together. Definitely. All those MMA guys. Yeah, product of your surrounding, huh? It's like when we were training at the gym, I felt like I was a gangster. I felt pretty relaxed.

Yeah, well, you get gangster when you teach. I love it, yeah. He does, man. You got to watch out. That's good stuff. Well, you obviously love it, you know? Yeah, for sure. And that's exactly what you need.

I think it's such an amazing thing, the ability to sort of mold young fighters, and that for a guy like me who loves martial arts as an art, you know, as an art form, it really is an art form. I know people go, that wasn't an art form when you're injuring people. It's not watercolors, asshole. Yeah, but you're good enough to do it to not injure people too. You know what I mean? You're good enough at the art to where you can do it without injuring someone. You can defend yourself without hurting someone.

Well, sure, if a dork attacked you. Like say if some dude who was really good at Dungeons and Dragons and he fucking went spaz on you and rushed you. It's like, I'm going to bite him. That's what I have in my head if it ever came to the point outside the gym or the cage or something if I had to fight in the street

or defend myself. Just choke him out. Either choke him out or just punch him in the gut. How many normal people actually get punched in the gut? Just knock the one out of them. You'd have to be

really diligent. You don't want to just tee off on some asshole because he started to fight with you. It's so hard to repress that but we've all been

in a situation where some drunk dude is clearly fucked up he's talking yeah so much shit and you're like i could just uncork one on this guy's face and you know he's not gonna see it coming but you can't do that the best way to i mean you'll get in trouble i'll get in trouble man yeah of course you know not only that i just fucking pulled up mma.com and fucking mixedmartialarts.com and seroni's in trouble for that he head kicked some dude on a dock.

No. Yeah, some guy got stupid with him. He threw a head kick? Yeah, apparently he shinned him. That's the rumor. I'm talking shit, Donald. I'm sorry if I got the details wrong. But I think Brian Callen told me he head kicked somebody.

Maybe somebody else called me. I tried to put myself in those scenarios. I'm just even around that element. If you're beating someone up on the street and you decide to do a head kick. I live, yeah. What a huge fucking mistake. Out of all the people to fuck with on a dock, you look at this skinny dude with a cowboy hat. You're like, hey, man, fuck you and your fucking boat, faggot.

Next thing you know, clang. Just sleeping. Oh, man. That shit bounces off the side of your fucking head. I'm sure you had to do something pretty bad, too, because Cerrone's a pretty cool dude. Yeah. You had to piss him off pretty bad. There's a lot of douchebags out there.

Yeah, for sure. It's very unfortunate. It's really hard to develop a human being. I think you know that and I know that. Having children now is definitely strange. It's changed me. It absolutely does, right? Yeah.

I've had to hold this guy back a couple times. You know what I mean? I almost always get into fights. Always? Really? Always. Always. Really? Always. Always. I don't know.

I just... Anyway, I just feel people should respect one another and help each other out. And when it doesn't happen, I'm just like, this guy's kind of a dickface. I'll speak up about it. And then people get mad.

Sometimes, yeah. Well, there's a lot of dickfaces out there and they don't like to hear that. People don't like to be criticized. It's hard to someone calls you being a... Hey, man, you're being a dickface to that lady. And you're like, yeah, you're right. You know, it's hard to someone calls you being a hey man being a dick face that lady you're like yeah you're right you know it's fucking hard it's like admitting you know something you know about rods it's like it's like so many things like being wrong sucks people don't like being wrong yeah so they'll argue like there's a guy named michael schirmer's this famous skeptic

who has this uh very interesting quote about smart people defending dumb ideas and smart, there's a lot of very intelligent people that believe really stupid things, and the reason being is that they're smart enough to convince themselves that they're right. Okay, yeah. And they're smart enough to defend that stupid thing. And it's kind of an interesting point of view, but it makes sense. It's fucking hard for people to say they're wrong. So I think that's a good talent for an athlete as well. Whether you have the skills or not,

believe that you have the skills to win the fight, win the world title, pull yourself through that. I think also, as a fighter, it's super important to be absolutely objective about your skill set. You can't, like when you're talking about observing fights and watching fights, you have to be objective. You can't say hey, I'm watching TJ Dillashaw,

I love that dude, so I'm looking at him in a way that's not, I'm just looking, everything's perfect, it's beautiful, I'm just loving.J. Dillashaw. I love that dude, so I'm looking at him in a way that's not – I'm just looking – everything's perfect. It's beautiful. I'm just loving watching him win. That's not the right way to do it, and you know that. So you have to step back and go, okay, what is he doing wrong? And how do I get my friendship out of the way and look at this objectively?

That's why I do have the fighters watch the film. I have my buddy in Colorado, Mike Temple, watches the film. And it actually kind of happened to my accent. I watched the film, I'll make in colorado mike temple watches the film and it actually kind of happened my accent said i watched the film i'll make notes and i watched the same fight again while i was high and didn't realize that i made notes so i made notes again and then i looked at the notes i had two sets of notes one i remember being high and one i remember not being high and i realized there was a difference now was there a difference because i just watched it the second time or the third time or whatever time it was or was the difference because of weed so i was

like well fuck man maybe there's something to this. So I started watching the fights while I was sober, while I was high. I was like, well, fuck, man, Honor sponsors me. Takes my brain. Takes my brain. Watched it again

just to compare notes, just to make sure. I want to make sure I'm making the best decisions for these guys. And it could also make this, whether you're awake or whether you're tired.

Yeah, there's many elements that could change my view, my perspective on that particular fight. You can factor in everything, right? Whether you enjoy a song Yeah to be in the right mood for the right house. There's a lot of different kinds of music that I'm sure we all like You're in the right mood. Yeah, it's like it's not even a good

It's like now is a good time for that like sometimes I don't want to watch fights. Sometimes I want to watch a you know fucking curbing enthusiasm, hey Sometimes I can't believe a fuck. He's like, talk about professionals and split-second openings? Yeah. With this fuck.

You've got to really be on your toes. One thing, I do believe weed has a lot of benefits to it, and I started it because I was getting major injuries and I didn't want to actually take the pain pills

that were being prescribed for my surgeries, so that's why I started investigating weed and marijuana and that would help that to calm me down. I wanted to talk to you about that. Yes.

Because that's another issue that I think is really important. Because I keep hearing about fighters that are having problems with pain pills. I think 100% people are just going to be, I had back-to-back major fucking surgeries lined up. I broke my jaw, broke my ankle, tore up my knee. I had my neck surgery. I had a couple good ones. I broke my hand a couple times. So I've had multiple fucking surgeries.

I want to hear a good one, actually. It's a long time ago when boss was training for ken kevin roundelman he came to colorado for high altitude training and i was one of his main sparring partners and i'm like i don't know 155 160 maybe we were just scrapping right but anyway i'm training with my other guy my other buddy uh kiyotaka kamatsu who's a japanese kyokushin karate black belt and i was sparring i threw a round kick and he threw a front kick while I was doing the round kick. The issue was I was not wearing my cup. So my right ball actually broke.

So I had my buddy Oscar Martinez throw me in the car. I didn't go down. I still stood my ground. I got in the car. I'm having my buddy Oscar take me, like, going opposite directions of one way. So he's definitely gotten me to the hospital, and they did, like, an emergency surgery.

So lesson learned here. Wear a cup, gentlemen. wear a cup gentlemen where i know what i do is i take you're talking about the cup issue and stuff in the fights i take one of those tight cups a steel tight cup and they put that in a regular like envelope like a shock doctor envelope cup and just put that on and then i put tight shorts over that to hold it in place and my little uh the shorts i wore my king the cage fight would say little boss on them i still wore those for every fight kickboxing and mma it was like my lucky shorts so i put my I wore in my King of the Cage fight with, say, Little Boss on them, I still wore those for every fight, kickboxing and MMA. Those are my lucky shorts. So I'd put my steel cup in my Shock Doctor envelope and then put that on, and then my tight shorts over that, and then my fight shorts.

So that's what I always wear. Do you ever try Diamond MMA? Dude, they're awesome. No, uh-uh. Yeah. They're awesome. Diamond's incredible. And they just released a new, improved version of it.

For folks who never heard of it, if you're doing jiu-jitsu or anything, I seriously recommend this. It's a compression short that they have this really well designed cup that fits in this videos on the website of the dude taking Thai kicks to the nuts it's a really far the best yeah for me it's it's a made it a huge difference in jiu-jitsu it took my boss completely out of the equation yeah you can't even finish armors if you're not wearing a cup most of time yeah it fucking hurts yeah it's true so one of the things you know i started getting major injuries and then getting surgeries and i didn't want to take the pain pills although i did take some of them and

i had like when i broke my jaw i was taking a liquid some kind of liquid pain pill i don't know what it was but that's when i started my venture into weed so it was just to get through the night so i could sleep but it does fuck my memory man like i was having like the next day having issue like holding combinations for these guys and stuff and just not remembering dates and stuff So it did fuck with me personally I caught my memory and I don't think it's for everybody because I'm very Very high strong and try to get shit done all that not try to get shit done on it Oh, right fucking time. So I think if somebody already already kill predisposed to be a slight bit lazy

This is not for you hundred percent. It's not for everybody affects him differently though Like yeah, he'll get it comes down. I enjoy yeah, this is me all the time% anything. Weeds not for everybody. It affects him differently though. Yeah He'll get his stone. He comes to me the fuck down. He needs it. I enjoy it. Yeah, this is me all the fucking time. Yeah I'm not kidding. It doesn't work on him dude. It's like a reverse effect Like most people get stoned they'll sit on the couch. They'll get hungry. You not want to go start doing combos and shit This guy's shadowboxing But you know what I figured things out about my body when i'm high I figured out certain stretches that i need like i feel like i'm like oh you know what i'm tight right here like i've i've figured shit out and then as you're

like you're feeling your body more i'm like you know what i gotta incorporate that more and then like certain techniques like kicking techniques like i've gone over them high and i like feel the weight transfer better because you know how like when you shin a bag when you when you when you really whip your hip into it there's's certain times where you get it perfect and there's certain times where it's a little off, a little weird, but then there's times when you just feel it and you just got that.

I feel the community today. Yeah, you can fucking kick, man. Rogan's kicks are awesome. We're doing some basic footwork drills and stuff and it's not what you typically would do, you know, you personally. So we get to the point where it's like, can we do some kicks? Yeah.

All right. Fucking wham! Like, holy shit, wham! I was like, fuck, you can freaking kick, man. I already know this from the spin kick videos and stuff. And I got a video also of you demonstrating the spin kick. So that was awesome. Thanks, man.

That was it. Oh, please. Thank you, man. It was really fun learning from you. But yeah, I've been doing, I've been kicking shit since I was a baby. You can fucking kick, man. That's awesome. You can fucking kick.

You're an athlete for sure. Well, it's just that's my body developed doing that. I mean, I was a boy when I learned how to kick. So I was all, that's what I was talking about, like the dexterity, the ability to move your body in a certain way. Maturing as you're doing martial arts. Like you're an amazing kicker, but you were having a hard time like when I was trying to show you axe kicks or I was trying to show you axe kicks

I was trying to the spin kicks. It's an awkward way for you to move Whereas my body's done that since I was a child That's what ballet little Dwayne bang if he's laying down and I'll try to slap it. I mean on a heart No arm bar me so it's cool man, I'm already training him to do what he wants You know, you know people always ask me is Dwayne being gonna. So it's cool, man. I'm already training him to do what he wants. People always ask me, is Dwayne Bang going to be a fighter? I love Dwayne Bang. And I'm like, if he chooses to, whatever his passion is going to be, I'm going to support him. He's going to be a tap dancer.

That's good. That's beautiful. Hey, even if he's going to be a tap dancer. If I had a gay son, as long as he was happy, I would way rather have a gay, happy son than a depressed daughter or a depressed straight son. Happy. Happy. happy son than a depressed daughter or depressed straight son or what happy so you really give a fuck about like if you're kidding like i joke around about my daughter being a lesbian and my wife gets upset she's like don't say that i go why i go what if she likes batman she likes wrestling she wrestles all the time she's super aggressive i have two two daughters one of them is like really

very girly and uh the other one i have a-old as well, but who's much more creative and artistic. Yeah, that's my daughter. But the youngest one is a fucking brute, man. She's hyper aggressive. She like leaps off the bed and like she takes my back. And she's three. And I'm like, she's a lesbian. And my wife's like, stop it.

But I'm like, look you if you love lesbians Okay, I love I have zero problem with people being gay So why would I care and lesbian like it's really kind of like not even criticized in society I mean a little by assholes, but it's not like being a gay man We get beat up who gets beat up for being a lesbian does I mean I'm sure someone has been so I apologize if you have Do fucking asshole I'm sure someone has been, so I apologize if you have. You fucking asshole!

I was being a blasphemy for being a lesbian! But the reality is, even straight guys love lesbians. Everybody loves lesbians. Lesbians can kiss in public. Nobody gives a shit. They go, whoa. There's a few cunty girls like, yeah, look at them showing off. You can't tell she's a lesbian this early.

Of course I can. I'm just joking, dude. There's a lot of shit I say that's not true. You understand that? You say it a lot. You don't say it in front of her, do you? No, but that's on fire, like specific music. He's just telling her, you're going to be a lesbian.

You're going to be a fighter. She loves mermaids and flowers. It's a joke. I'm very curious to see what my children are going to turn into or become or what they are now and if they're going to be able to express that as an adult. I'm pretty sure Lil Dwayne Banks's going to be a fighter he's already got his gloves and stuff he's in the gym all the time him and tj are best buddies he knows like he knows favor he goes favor and tj and buckles and so he knows the fighters of the gym he loves being at the gym he loves the martial arts he's got his own little mouthpiece he's a little bit ocd about

some things already you know i wonder where he's from and then my daughter my daughter jay like she's an artist she's just drawn and coloring all the time. So we're, as I tell her, you know, we're all artists, you know, she's a,

you know, I'm a martial artist and she's an actual artist. So, you know, it's good. I want to hopefully when they get older, they can express, they can be who they want to be and not be stuck in some shitty job that they're unhappy with.

That's why I'm always fucking happy because I get to basically do what I want every day. Yeah. Finding something that you can express yourself in. And it's whatever you gravitate towards. If it's fucking flower arrangements, I mean, whatever the fuck it is, man. I don't know what makes someone like a certain kind of music. I don't like the Grateful Dead, man.

I don't. I've tried. I don't like it. It doesn't mean I hate people. I love a lot of friends who love the Grateful Dead. That's fine. But it doesn't fucking work with me. I like Dwight Yoakam.

I like a lot of shit. If you're a friend of the devil, you're a friend of mine. They actually played that on the helicopter ride that I went on in Maui and I was like, are you really doing this to me,

you fuckhead? This guy is actually a podcast fan, so shout out to our driver who's kind of weird. A podcast fan. Fly us around that's awesome talk about the podcast i bet the helicopter i was awesome though oh it's insane that's cool maui we were i was in maui last week that's why there was no uh podcast but uh me and my family

went on a um a flight on a helicopter over malachi yeah and malachi only has like a couple thousand people on the whole island and a lot of them are like campers they just go there and camp because they can live there for free and they live off the land they fish and that's cool and there's this fresh guava and mangoes and all these different plants are just growing there and they hunt excuse me hunt wild pigs and and there's wild sheep and all these sorts of different animals you can like they hunt and fish and and eat fresh fruits or everywhere yeah and apparently people go there and they take a boat and they just stay there for months and months

at a time and it's legal i want to go i actually have an affiliate in hawaii so hopefully i get to go there and uh go do my seminar mike bicker so i got affiliates all throughout the u.s i actually have an affiliate in thailand also so it's kind of cool branching out yeah that's the that's a photo that i took from my on my Oh, wow, that's badass. When we were flying over Malachi. That looks like the drive to Hana almost. Yeah. Is that the way? Did you do the drive to Hana?

That's a different island. I'm pretty sure that was when we got to Malachi. We flew over Maui and then we went to Malachi. This is in Maui. This is one of the craters that you fly over. It's fucking insane. It's insane. Because Hawaii looks incredibly

beautiful from the ground you know you just get out of your car and you're like wow this is amazing but when you're above it and you realize how weird it is like that this thing just popped up out of the ocean and that really what it is the volcano it's like one of the biggest mountains in the world by volume it just happens to be in the middle of the ocean and it's just fucking Volcano just jotted out in the middle of the 5000 miles to five hours by plane from everywhere Yeah, like there's nowhere to go like you and these crazy Polynesian motherfuckers got there on boats. That's crazy That's why they're so tough. That's so gangster. Yeah, it's probably just part of it for sure. They got there 1,500 years ago man Wow

Probably was part of it, for sure. They got there 1,500 years ago, man. Wow. 1,500 years ago, these fucking guys got there by boat. And they did it more than once. They knew how to navigate the ocean. Back then. 1,500 fucking years ago.

It's crazy what people have done, dude. And they made these boats, dude. They have, like, there's an aquarium in Maui where you can go see the boats that they created. Like, they have replicas of them. It's a fucking log. It's a fucking log. It's a hollowed out log. It's a hollowed out log. And they had like nets that they created

that they made themselves. And they would just, and they would take a year, take a year to make a fucking net. And they would like set these nets and just go out there and hope that they would catch enough fish to keep their fucking children alive.

Yeah, because it took you a year to build that net. How long did it take you to go 1,500 miles by canoe? Damn. I mean, could you even cover 10 miles a day? How many miles are you covering a day canoeing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah? 10?

What do you think, 50? How much do you think? Oh, more than that. Forget the place in Ohio. It used to be, I think, like 7 miles. 100? I mean, you should be able to canoe more than you can walk. And I just last five days walked 120 miles up in the Rubies.

Right. That's right. You were just saying that. Your deer hunting experience. So how many miles do you think you can canoe? Should we say if you're really going gangster, 100 miles a day? Yeah. You could, I think.

I've never canoed. I'm not quite sure what it takes. You're going to be tired. I mean, you're going to be tired. I'd say it's like a boat or a bike. Upstream, downstream, wind. Right. You've got to deal with those.

So let's say, best case scenario, you're going gangster. And while you're catching fish and feeding your family, you're going 100 miles a day. Wow. It would take you 15 fucking days to get all the way out there to the middle of the ocean and find Hawaii. Then how many calories would you need to do that as well? Oh, good. So you'd have to eat the fish and come back, right?

So there's a couple of key factors in that. It would be insane. 15 days of gangster paddling. I did five days of it. It's such a good workout. I did a hunt with Steve Ronella for that show Meat Eater, and we went down the Missouri, and we paddled most of the way. It was a brutal workout.

It's great. Your shoulders get sore. You could treat it as a workout and really get gangster with it. I was treating it as a workout. I was like, I'm just not gonna like just paddle our way enjoy the scenery i was like i'm not working out while i'm here so let's get a workout in so i just like made it a race brian cowan was trying to do it i was just crushing that fool everything to the competition right everything's like i'm gonna win this yeah it's a yeah that's one thing the marijuana helped me to relax and be able to enjoy it.

I look at things so many different, you know, I look at things so differently now. Well, not now. I actually stopped weed for a while now. So I'm just kind of debating on if I was taking too much or what strand or what. But, you know, it definitely allowed me to appreciate life, be able to relax and, you know, play with the kids a bit more. And, you know, food tastes better. Drinks taste better. I can relax.

I'm not, you know, OCDing about shit that I can't control right now. So, you know. So you medically need it. Possibly. I mean, if I say, it's lying to the fuck of my memory, you know, that I'm OCD and about shit that I can't control right now. So you medically need it. Possibly. It's lying to the fuck of my memory. I'm holding mitts for these guys. Today's modern day fucking ninjas right here. So if I miss a mitt and they punch me in the face, that's going to be an issue. So I've got to be on point with things for sure. Even though I tell the guys,

even if I do hold the mitts on the wrong side, the striker needs to control their strike and that's just the way it has to be. So it's just one of those things. I'm a big fan of light edibles. Light dose edibles. The striker needs to control their strike, and that's just the way it has to be. So, you know, it's just one of those things, but I want to be somewhere for them. I'm a big fan of light edibles, light-dose edibles. That's what I've been doing lately. How many milligrams?

I'm not getting crazy. See, that's the problem, man. You buy these fucking cookies from these assholes. You don't know what the fuck you're getting. Colorado is pretty consistent and on point. Yeah, well, it's consistent and on point with, like, certain shit. Like, go to L.A. Speedweed. They have these gummy bears. You can guarantee pretty much L.A. Speedweed. They have these gummy bears.

You can guarantee pretty much L.A. Speedweed's gummy bears have a spit. And if you know it and you're used to it, you might want to bite one in half. You might want to eat the whole one. But it's also based on so many other things other than just the content. Like, how much did you eat? Your hydration levels. True. There's, like, so many other factors.

There's no way to know. Your own personal tolerance, too. Yeah, your own personal tolerance. Because if you eat it a lot You can do a lot more than a person who doesn't what we think about this was marijuana You think it's for not a I mean you're to say no of course because it's a correct answer But it's not for everybody like so now which shouldn't be fucking smoking weak some people just dumb fucks dude And I'm not the smartest guy either

I'm not you know I'm I went to high school now is it like no college education But I definitely was able to pursue what I felt was correct for me and my my path being a martial artist do you love what you do I fucking love what I do how many times have I not said that yeah motherfucker um I think it's nothing's for everybody I don't think orange juice is for everybody yeah so something I think that means be a test you know my fucking kid hates orange juice peanuts isn't for everybody but people might like orange people might like orange juice not be able to fucking tolerate it either exactly that's a problem I give her apple juice, she goes crazy. She loves it.

Apple juice is her favorite, but orange juice sucks. She fucking looks at you trying to feed her a shit sandwich. Look, it's not for everybody. Coconuts are not for everybody. I love coconut water. I've given it to people and they want to throw up. So that's got to be a thing as far as legalizing it. For sure, I think people should be able to make their own decisions,

but man, there are reasons for it, for rules and guidelines and such, because some people just need to be told what to do and what not to do. Yeah, but I don't agree with that. I don't think there should be rules and guidelines. I think there should be counseling. Because some people just don't fucking know right or wrong. Well, I think there should be education, for sure.

And I also think, look, we're dealing with very complicated issues where you're altering human neurochemistry through psychedelics. People don't want to think of marijuana as a psychedelic. It is without a doubt a psychoactive substance. And if you eat it in large doses, it's as psychedelic as anything. If you don't believe that, you're fucked.

Because if you do take it and you're not ready, you're going to get an experience very unlike a regular get high, smoke a joint. So I think that anything like that can fuck you up and anything that could fuck you up mentally, we should tread with caution. And because of the fact that we don't have education, we don't have centers where someone can go and they can say, well, in a controlled environment, you and your friends, what we would like to do is we're going to bring you in here. We have a very specific level of marijuana. We're going to give you give you I'm gonna work you up to where we think you can handle it So you could be in a comfortable safe environment like have you guys gone to the marijuana fucking treatment center? Yeah, what the fuck it is? Yeah, it turns out. I'm good with one gummy bear one gummy bears perfect You know I found out what it is

You know we went too far one day and I started thinking about my childhood It was a little fucked up, but I think I learned from that too. But this way, at least, you would get an educated experience. And we don't. Now we're figuring it out for ourselves. Whereas if you buy Tylenol, you know what the fucking dose is. It's real simple. It's right there on the label.

I take four Advils when I got a headache. You know what the fuck you're supposed to take. It's 800 milligrams. Some people don't. Some people are just retarded. Well, anything can be abused. Yes. I've trained too much.

I didn't really know my reserve. I always pushed too hard and broke my own body down. I have low tests. We were talking about, I have my testosterone checked. I was 105 or 103. I forgot. Like super fucking low. That's crazy low. That's just from what I understand, from what I was told anyway, is that head trauma, severe

weight cutting, redlining your body, and then, of of course steroids or taking too much steroids when you need to. I've got three of the four fucking symptoms right there. Head trauma, severe weight cutting, and redlining your body. And jerking off like a maniac. Jerking off like a zoo monkey on heroin. Yeah, that could do it too. Drain your balls. Your balls struggle to keep up.

Then just spark it. What's this? That's 10 minutes. 10 minutes? 10 minutes, we turn into a pumpkin. Oh, nice. Can I plug my affiliates real quick? Fuck yeah.

My man. Well, DwayneBang.com is where they can go and find everything. DwayneBang.com. Yes, and I got some affiliates. I just had my buddy Alberto Crane in Burbank. You know Alberto Crane? Sure. He just became an affiliate.

And then I got Ben Schister in Westminster, Colorado. I got Boyd in Phuket, Thailand. Mike Bickers in Hawaii. Brian Beaumont in Yuma, Arizona. Jeff Fairbanks in Alaska. And I and James Henry in Radford, Virginia. I've got James Johnson. Okay, no one's going to remember these. Okay, well, just do what they told you.

DwayneBang.com, they will remember. Go check it out, yeah. DwayneBang.com, and they have all of your affiliates up there. Yes. Like you said before, I think it's really interesting. You set up your structure for your lessons every week, and then they follow it. I record that shit, send it out to them. Yeah, I've got to film a lot of those videos.

So you give away belts and shit too? Yeah, I have a ranking structure, colored rank shirts, white, blue, purple, brown, black. Who's got a black belt in Dwayne Banks? Only one guy. That's Wiley McDonald in my East Coast headquarters. He's Chris Herzog as well, their 10th Planet affiliate. What about my man TJ Dillshaw?

He's actually got a blue belt. So maybe purple boat soon maybe and then you're gonna go brown black just like white blue purple brown black nice beautiful yeah i got my shit laid out man i broke it down to a science and a structure well that's a big thing about uh the holland style the dutch style of uh muay thai yeah it's very european based i uh i trained with rob came in a bunch of times yeah nice yeah rob's the man i learned a lot from his actual vhs tapes yeah tapes I got from Century or whatever. I used to watch those fuckers all the time.

I was really impressed at the way he structures his combinations. They're very technical. It's like left hook, right leg kick, this position, that position, this, that. It's like the way he sort of picture it, and then once you train with a guy who's explaining that stuff to you, then you watch a fight, you can see it take place. Yes. We watch like Remy Wondrowski.

You watch certain type of fighters, and you go, oh, I see what he just did there. There's an Ernesto Hoost highlight reel where he, to me, he had the best left hook, right leg combo ever. He would just slap, whack. He would just set that up so beautiful. Mr. Perfect. Oh, that was. He's a good guy, too. He's cool. He's very beautiful. Mr. Perfect. Oh, that was... He's a good guy, too. He's cool.

He's very cool. I like him. Very nice, very friendly. But that fucking leg kick highlight. Pull that shit up. We'll close with this. Pull that up on YouTube. It's cool for me to...

It's Ernesto Hoost leg kick highlight. What's cool for me is to be such a fan of Ernesto, and then one time in Japan I seen him, and then he knew who I was. I was like, oh, fuck, man. That's pretty cool. That is pretty badass. Yeah, that was cool.

Yeah, he knew who I was, too. I was like that's really cool yeah that was cool yeah he knew who i was too i was like holy yeah but i'm still uh i'm a kickboxing dork yeah but you're popular as yeah you get watch this you watch ernesto these leg kicks man that's not it oh yeah it is this is that it is. This is just the beginning of it before it actually shows the video. This is just showing the highlight and then it goes into this part where it, uh, skip ahead a little. Here it is. Watch these. Mirko. Yeah, he fought Mirko a couple times. Yeah, those Kimo guys all fought each other on YouTube basis, man. Oh, Jesus! Owie! That's because he's backing up, though. Dude, they're so owie, though. I'd really get hit with a baseball bat. They're so owie.

And the way he chops down with it, man. Yeah, three-quarter drop. And it's so, like, whip-like. I mean, it was like he was hitting you with a fucking mace or something. Here it is. Oh, Jesus! Like Bernardo.

That fucking left hook hook right leg combo is so nasty and so beautiful to watch like you want to talk about martial arts that motherfucker is a ballerina yes i mean that shit is like way cooler than anything barista cops ever done look at that boom are you kidding me francisco for a. For a big dude, too many fast. Yeah. And that combo is so gorgeous. The left hook, right leg kick. Always, over and over again with that combo.

And he would shut motherfuckers down. Like, Filo, look at him here. He's like, Jesus. That's what sucked when Bob Sapp beat him. I was like, fuck, that broke my heart, man. Well, he got bum rushedrushed by a gorilla. Yeah, that's true. If you've never seen that fight, Bob Sapp didn't even look like a human being.

He was the biggest any fighter has ever been. He was on everything that ever existed. He was 370 pounds of Mexican supplements just stacked into a man. It's a beautiful thing, though. Again, I don't think that it's good that Bob Sapp did that, but I think that it's good that we got to see what happens when a guy that big can do that. Can hit. Even a guy like Ernesto Hoos, you can't stop that bum rush.

That big, crazy fuck is just going to fucking Donkey Kong you into the ground. He did it. Yeah, he did it. He did it with very little MMA experience, very little kickboxing experience that's what sucks it doesn't though yeah it breaks my heart man

looking for a Nester who's so much you know and then for him to get beat from somebody who's technically on paper not as good like that just sucks

it shows you how gangster Cro Cop is oh yeah because Cro Cop finished him especially back then yeah I mean accuracy he was also physically

strong enough to keep the dude away push him off yeah push him and he had this aggressive style. Cro Cop was also like, he's like a sniper. He leaps in and cracks you with shit, whereas Ernesto would be more technical and would block shit. You can't stand in front of that dude.

You just can't stand in front of him. So a style like Murko's, where you leap in with a head kick or leap in with one punch or one kick, just full power blast. Not as technical. So when he fought Ernesto, it wasn't the right style for Ernesto. But when he fought Bob Sapp, it's a better style. There's also the fact that Bob had already fought a bunch of guys.

How long can you really keep that much supplements in your system? Mexican supplements in your system. There's never been a human that big inside of a ring. Show the picture of Bob Sapp, if you've never seen it. He's a sweetheart of a guy, too, man. Great guy. Great guy.

And it's really unfortunate watching him fight now because it seems like he just goes down. Oh, he's still fighting? He's lost, like, some insane amount of fights in a row. I thought he made a good chunk of change. No, I don't think he did. I think he also had a lot of problems.

That's always a misconception. Well, I think he was making good money in Japan for a while, but then I think he ran into some problems with them. And remember, there was that 1K1 event where he wouldn't come out and fight. Yeah, they didn't prepay him or something. Well, they wanted him to sign a contract before he fought. Oh, yeah. You know, there was some...

Jesus. Look at the fucking size of him. Are you kidding me? Is that the biggest a guy's ever been inside the ring? For sure. Big human being right there. That's insane. For sure.

3.70 with abs. Wow, it was 3.70. 3.70 with abs. God damn it. Anyway, look, Dwayne, it's always a pleasure to see you. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. This has been awesome, man. It's been a beautiful time.

TJ, thank you very much for doing this, and thanks for helping me out today, man. Shit, man. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. This has been awesome, man. It's been a beautiful time. TJ, thank you very much for doing this. Absolutely. And thanks for helping me out today, man. Shit, man. Thank you. I appreciate it. It was really fun training with you. This is awesome.

It was really fun getting to see you move with him and kick the bag, and your technique looks fucking sweet, dude. I appreciate that. Beautiful. He's a serious athlete, man. Today's ninjas right here. You learn shit so quick. Showing you one thing and watching you duplicate it, and then two or three times later, it's

like 50, 60% better. That's beautiful to see. You got the perfect environment for learning there oh yeah team alpha male bitches hell yeah on the rise that's right the bangs dwayne bang.com ladies and gentlemen dwayne bang.com you can get one of these super dope and sexy t-shirts i got three of them bitch good man thank you mr rogan thank you brother it was a great time i don't I got three of them, bitch. Good man. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. Thank you, brother. It was a great time. I don't even have

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your name? Last name is D-I-L-L-A-S-H-A-W. There you go. So TJ D-I-L-L-A-S-H-A-W as well as on Instagram, same name. Love you, buddy.

Thank you, guys. Thank you very much, man. Love being here. Good times. All right, we will be back tomorrow with the great Joey Coco Diaz. And then Wednesday, we return with Everlast in the motherfucking house, bitch, which should be a great time. Okay, so squarespace.com.

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