The Joe Rogan Experience - #390 - Mac Lethal

Episode Date: September 9, 2013

Mac Lethal is an independent hip hop artist and also author of "Texts from Bennett".

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Take it out. My friend, welcome. Thank you, man. Mac Lethal. It's an honor to be here. I really appreciate it.

Rapper, author, all around cool guy, video maker. All sorts of shit, man. You're a bad motherfucker, dude. It's a pleasure. Jiu-jitsu practitioner. All of the above. Yeah. How long have you been doing that?

I'm going on my third year. Are you enjoying it? Loving it. That's cool's cool what gym give a shout out to your gym uh kansas city brazilian jiu-jitsu which is uh under the hanato tavarez association and run by black belt jason bircher and then hd mma which is run by jason high who just won a fight uh last week just a talented dude yes um man that uh kansas City is really fucking, that's a cool town. It is. It's like one of the underrated cool towns. Very much so.

In fact, the New York Post did an article on the top 10 places in the world that are underrated, and it was number three. What's number one? Istanbul, Turkey? Get the fuck out of here. That's ridiculous. Kansas City should be number one. Yeah, I agree.

America, by default, should get 50 extra points. I agree. Yeah. Why? Because I'm rude. Because I'm a rude American. Amazing barbecue was there. Friendly people.

A lot of fountains. There's a lot of culture there. Jazz. The barbecue is huge. Huge. I watched an episode of Anthony Bourdain's show. Where did he go? No reservations.

Where did he go? Do you remember? I don't remember the name. Was it in a gas station? I think one of them was. Yeah, that's Oklahoma Joe's. That's one of the most popular. Very famous. Hey, Brian, can we kill this new TV? Because this is kind of freaking me out.

It's almost like too much to the left. Too much distraction. What is that again? It's a 4K? It's a 4K TV. It's like four times the resolution of a 1080 HD TV. They have a code for if you want to get a 50-inch, just type in JoeRogan at 4kspecial.com. They get it for $999.

Beautiful. If you haven't seen it, they just sent it to us, and we don't know how to use it yet, so it just plays this one 4K loop that they have, this amazing loop of high-defin definition moving images, but it's all like Japanese girls and nature. It's too much short attention span for my ADD brain. And I fucking

shut down. I agree. That last episode that we did, the whole time I just found myself staring off into space. It was freaking me out. I love the fact that 4K shit is becoming consumer stuff though. Because once the cameras get in the hands of the people we're going to be able to make our own fucking feature-length films that look like the shit at

the movie theaters well it's actually the the weird there's a weird thing that happens with video as opposed to film that a lot of people um don't like and then it makes you see everything you see the background you see the foreground like it's not like it's it's a weird kind of quality to watching it and people go oh it makes it look fake but honestly film looks fake yeah that looks like real life right like the video thing looks like we're just not used to that right and 4k and that kind of shit is going to be like super duper high definition detail and galaxy note 3 has 4K they just announced it it comes out in like two weeks

yeah we were just talking about that weren't we talking about that on the podcast yeah but we're gonna be able to just go to like a show film shit

and put it on that TV not only that do it off of a phone yeah that's ridiculous insane that's one problem with Apple man

they're fucking slacking they're so far behind when it comes to screen size like we're testing out new screen sizes. What is it, 2009, you fuckheads? Are you crazy? Yeah, they just jumped on it.

They should have jumped on all this, 4K, all this. Like, allowing Samsung and companies like this to come out with this kind of mind-blowing shit way in advance of the style. Actually, they had a fucking big thing that you would carry around with a stylist way back in the 90s. Do you remember that?

Yeah. What was that called? Like the Apple Queef or something? It was something really dumb, like Tear. I think it had like a name. It wasn't like a Macintosh, but like something along those lines. And it was like they had a stylist. Newton.

Newton. Newton, Newton. Yeah. Couldn't you like draw on it? Yeah, I think. Way ahead of its time. Yeah. When I first came to Hollywood, I was walking around with this executive.

He was showing me around Disney, and he had one of those bad boys. And he was so happy with it. And I was like, this is so awkward. Like, you're carrying that around? But it was pretty dope. It was pretty Star Trek. Oh that's it right there and apparently it hooked up to a keyboard that a stylist or you could attach a keyboard to it somehow or another yeah those are probably worth money today oh yeah I think that goes for like thousands thousands of dollars Wow for like just geeks you love them like framed up in their house

Smelling them. I would just smell it for an hour. Do I feel like hide this logo? No, no we that stuff that Cocoa Cafe They send it to us. Oh good. They're badass as long the C2o and coconut cafe those guys Okay, Cocoa Cafe. Cocoa Cafe is dope because it's got a little bit of notice. There's a rapper here. I've started to use rap What are you like you're like Quentin Tarantino and black people. Exactly. Have you ever seen some of that? What? Quentin Tarantino talking to black people? No. Oh my goodness. What, is it a

YouTube thing? Yes. Quentin Tarantino, who is my favorite director. Mine too. He's my favorite artist. Really? Bottom line. Artist. I'm not shitting on him in any way, shape, or form. But he's obviously a crazy person. And that's okay. Most of my best friends are crazy.

But his crazy manifests itself in the fact that he's some sort of a strange chameleon. Like I heard him on the Howard Stern show and he almost sounded like he was gay. It was weird. He was like effeminate. And this is not saying that Howard's gay. I never would insult Howard Stern, ever. But he sounded like almost effeminate. And then you hear him on the Jamie Foxx show, and all of a sudden he was black. And I was like, this is really weird.

Because he's hanging out with Jamie Foxx, doing radio with Jamie Foxx, and he's talking so black. I mean, so ridiculous. Well, this is, I'm going to show you an example of that. It's coming. I mean, so ridiculous. Well, this is, I'm going to show you an example. Oh, it's coming. Now, it's really uncomfortable. We're going to have to get, like, something that can show the contrast.

...quoted movies in Hollywood with just the lines that... So he's hanging out with these black people on a BET show. This is on BET. What is the most famous line, your favorite line from pop fiction? I think probably the most famous line is, I'm gonna get medieval on your ass. Big Wayne says it. It gets way crazier.

About pleasing your fans or pleasing the critics for you? Ah, interesting question actually. He like almost fucked it up right? I wanna please my fans, and I wanna please the critics that are my fans. The critics ain't my fans, I don't give a damn. I mean he's making shit rhyme. That's amazing. It's insanity.

And if you see him do other interviews where he talks to regular media people like on CNN or or Fox News, and none of this ever comes out. Well, he almost broke character at first. He was kind of getting into his gay voice, and then he went, oh, oh, oh, and it dropped a little deeper. Well, I think a guy who's that good at making movies, he's that good at capturing human drama, he must be just like a sponge.

Like he just sits in the mirror and just goes through a Rolodex of characters. Could be. But a better guy like that, it's hard for him to differentiate between who he is and who he's talking to. Didn't he grow up in Inglewood? Did he really? Yeah, he grew up in

the hood, to my knowledge. His whole thing was when he was younger, there was a movie theater which he now owns, and I believe it's in Inglewood and part of the rund down part of Englewood and all he did his mom would just send him to the theater and all he did was watch blaxploitation films

when he was like 6 years old over and over so they just played kung fu movies and blaxploitation films at this theater and that's all he did and that's why he has co-opted that kind of style and it's very fascinating how he kind that's why he has co-opted that kind of style. And it's very fascinating how he kind of regurgitates it into his films.

But he relates. He, on a very deep level, relates to black people, I believe. I believe it. I believe it. His middle name is Jerome. I can't pretend I'm not criticizing him. I was obviously goofing on him. But I completely understand that it's probably the very particular type

of weirdness that you get by being so in tune to other people's behavior. It's almost like he can't differentiate between himself and who he's talking to. If he's talking to someone, he becomes like them. It's weird. It might even be a mechanism

for him to process emotions or something. Like, if that makes sense, like, maybe there was, like, a certain character in some of these old blaxploitation films that when he would talk a certain way, he felt like he could convey what he was feeling. So he would adopt that in order to do that himself. Right. It's almost like when he's talking to Howard Stern,

like, he was being, like, very submissive. Right. You know, submissive to the king, you know, and then he was talking to Jamie that himself. Right. It's almost like when he's talking to Howard Stern, like he was being like very submissive. Right. You know, submissive to the king, you know, and then he was talking to Jamie Foxx. He's like, let him know, man. Let him know, dog. I'm one of the brothers, boy. So, you know, whatever it is, it makes him that guy.

It also makes him do that. I'm really concerned about him quitting, though. Really? Well, he recently stated that the way that they display films in movie theaters now is quote-unquote television in public because they don't show film anymore it's just all digital and he says he did not sign up to do this and he's considering fucking quitting just walking on the whole thing which would be terrible that would be a devastating blow to all of us and i don't even think people grasp that.

That's interesting. So the medium is very important to him, not just... He still films in film. I mean, he uses tons of film, refuses to switch over, refuses to adapt. That's how he came up, and they let him do it because they have to because people see his movies still. I would wonder what his reasoning is.

Film is a lot cheaper. Is that it? I thought it was more expensive. It was, but his reasoning is. Film is a lot cheaper. Is that it? I thought it was more expensive. It was now, but now digital's cheaper. Really? Yeah. Or I mean,

film's more cheaper because no one's using it, so it's cheaper to... But isn't it still very expensive to digitize all the film and go through that arduous process

of getting all the footage? Yeah, you would think so, right? Yeah, it seems it has to be. Yeah. I don't know, we had Davey on. He used to be on that show that I did.

And they did something with Vice. Bone Zone? Yeah. And he did something with Vice. He did a short film that was in Sundance. And they said that they used film because it was cheaper to film on nowadays than using a really high-end digital camera. That's crazy. That's interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. Like we were saying, it definitely looks different. If you film, you could make a cool film with really good actors, but do it on one of those regular VHS cameras. Oh, yeah, fuck yeah. It's shit, right? Even if you had good angles. Right.

It would look too weird. It would look too Mexican soap opera-y. Right? Yeah. It's a weird thing that's very difficult to describe when you watch a Mexican soap operas. You know? Right? Yeah. Like, it's a weird thing that's very difficult to describe when you watch, like, a Mexican soap opera. I don't watch many of those,

but I will say that you like, you want that kind of glossy film look. Yeah. It just, it conveys a different message. I don't know,

like, those consumer camcorders, they're just, you know, everybody had one when they were a kid, and they tried to make fucking short films like me and my friends did, and they just looked like shit.

You could never quite capture the life that you wanted to. It's also a weird thing that it's kind of been established, that visual quality, the visual quality of film. It's like what we go to expect when we sit in a movie theater. We want to see a film. Right. Yeah, I'm getting into watching a lot of older movies lately. Yeah.

Like I watched the Steve McQueen movie Le Mans the other day. I've never seen Le Mans. Oh, man. It's really interesting because it's almost like a snapshot of the time. It's not just a film. It's almost like it's a film that shows you how people lived back then, like how they walked around and acted because a lot of the movie, like the first ten minutes of the movie has no dialogue.

At least 10 minutes. What's the setup of the movie? Well, it's about race car drivers. Steve McQueen's a race car driver and there's another dude who- Yeah, I don't want to say that I, I can't commit to saying I've seen it, but it sounds more familiar now. I couldn't finish it. I watched it for a little while.

Yeah, a lot of old films are hard to fucking finish, man. I give up on them. Like I try to always be cool and be like, a lot of old films are hard to fucking finish, man. I give up on them. Like, I try to always be cool and be like, oh, I'm going to watch, you know, this fucking old 1972 French movie, and then I pop it in, and it's just, dude, five minutes in, asleep. I mean, there's something to be said

about modern cinema. It's a little better, you know? Yeah, there's some interesting shit that was done. Like, I remember enjoying Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, which is basically I think all takes place in one house It's just a conversation between a bunch of people And

That's like some old shit The Hustler, I'll still watch The Hustler I'll still watch that That's a good one though I like billiards as well And watching that all take place How many hours do they play On the first fucking,

the first confrontation? Like, three days or something like that? Yeah, it was, like, almost two days or something like that. Yeah, it's just there's something epic about it. But that's a good one. And a lot of those Paul Newman films are exceptions. Like, Hud, that's another one I like. Cool Hand Luke, that's another one.

Paul Newman was a bad motherfucker. Very bad motherfucker. He barely made any lemons. Really? Yeah, I mean, think Hand Luke, that's another one. Paul Newman was a bad motherfucker. Very bad motherfucker. He barely made any lemons. Really? Yeah, I mean, think about the shitty movies that Paul Newman made. I really can't come up with one. You know, I can't come up with... I'm not familiar

enough with his entire catalog. I remember Stallone did that comedy movie with his mother. Oh, it was... Throw Mama from the Train. Yeah, was that it? No, no, no this was um what was it called this is gonna drive me fucking nuts oh and wasn't it the same woman that was in Golden Girls that played the old woman but she had a brown hair oh

this is gonna drive me nuts I don't know old lady trivia how do you know that I don't know it seems like I remember, let's just look up Stallone. Stallone. Was it like Oscar? Oscar. It was. It was Oscar. Oscar was one. That's the one that I'm thinking of.

Yeah, well, he definitely had one called Oscar. That's not the one I was thinking. You were thinking of the Threw Mama from the Train one. But it wasn't Threw Mama from the Train. Threw Mama from the Train was that old gross lady from Goonies or something like that. Stop or my mom will shoot. Stop or my mom will shoot. That was it.

Okay. So he did two comedies in a row. He did Oscar and then he did Stop or my mom will shoot. That's how retarded people were in the 90s. They're like, you know what? Forget all these great comedians we have. We need to get Stallone up there. They just kept giving him money. My old lady trivia. Look at this. It was the old lady

Estelle Getty from Golden Girls with brown hair. That's so crazy. And look at him. He's like, Ma, I can't believe what you're doing over there. What are you doing, Ma, with that gun? Can't even leave you alone for a second. Look at the look on his face, man.

Oh, Ma, I can't believe this. Look how little my gun is. Look how big yours is. Has it been confirmed or, like, completely confirmed that he actually started out doing porn? Because that's a rumor. Oh, yeah, no, he did a movie. He did, like, a softcore movie. Oh, Because that's a rumor. Oh, yeah. No, he did a movie. He did like a soft core movie. But was it like, oh, so it was soft core.

Yeah. So he wasn't like laying pipe on film. I don't think so. All right. It might have been. It might have been laying pipe. But I'm pretty sure they didn't show it. If he was, I think it was like an angle thing.

OK. And they wanted to sell it to him for a million dollars. He was like, I'm going to give you 10 cents for that piece of shit. Ew. My mother's got a gun. She'll fucking shoot you. a million dollars he was like i wouldn't give you 10 cents for that piece of shit my mother's got a gun she'll fucking shoot you he's like five two and then he no he's not he's not i thought he was like everybody says that everybody said people always say that about tom cruise i met stallone maybe he had some shit in his shoes but i'm 5'8 and he was taller than me he was taller than i thought he had to stand on a platform in Rocky.

That's the other rumor. I don't know. Is that when he fought Apollo Creed, they had him stand on a platform because he wasn't tall enough. No, I don't think Carl Weathers is very tall, really. No, they couldn't have had him stand on a platform because then you would see his feet. Because he was in a cage. But as far as... I mean, a ring, rather.

To my knowledge, a lot of those shots are from the waist up. Well, Carl Weathers is 6'2". It's listed that he's 6'2". And Stallone was, if I had to guess, I would say 5'11", 5'10". But dudes wear lifts in their shoes. You never know. Isn't there a website called How Tall is Stallone? Or is that Arnold?

How Tall is Stallone? What a website. How many hits do they get a day? There's like a How Tall is Arnold, like an Arnold Schwarzenegger doc. One of them, either Stallone, Tom Cruise, or Arnold Schwarzenegger has a website dedicated to finding out exactly how tall they are. It's probably Tom Cruise. Because Tom Cruise, when he did that movie with Brad Pitt, did have like a setup where he was like on an elevated floor. Whereas they would walk their path, he would be height to height with Brad Pitt.

Yeah. floor whereas they would walk their path he would be high yeah well he played and I don't think that was necessary but in his mind the character had to be commensurate with Brad Pitt's character right you know Brad Pitt's character was tall in her interview with the vampire yeah yeah which was you know I thought like the best role he ever played I think he was fucking amazing in that. Tom Cruise? Yeah. But Tom Cruise, he fucking nailed it. I mean, he's a great actor. He might do a lot of cheese movies, but the motherfucker can act.

He's got some good ones. I really liked Eyes Wide Shut. I'm one of the few fans of that movie. These are ten pictures of Tom Cruise being tall, where they've had him on, like, so he appears tall. I don't understand that. So he appears tall? Yeah, see had him on, so he appears tall. I don't understand that. So he appears tall? Yeah, see, look, they have him appearing tall.

He's 5'7". She's actually 5'8". He's still taller than her almost. Yeah, but how do they know he's 5'7"? And how do they know that he's not actually taller? Yeah, but see, I don't buy this. I don't either. I think this is bullshit.

I gotta be honest. Dude, go back to the one with... Go back to the one with Philip Seymour. With college humor. Philip Seymour Hoffman is like 6'3". 6'2". Yeah, but he wasn't even in that one. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, because he was in disguise. This is parody. No, it's because it's Mission Impossible. He was in disguise. That's... The last one was a joke. He went in disguise as Philip Seymour Hoffman

in Mission Impossible? Yeah, that was a mask that he ends up pulling off. I've never seen any of the Mission Impossibles with Tom Cruise. They're rough. They're rough to watch.

When you see a guy like Philip Seymour Hoffman in them, you're like, man, really? It sucks. They talk you into this shit? He does too much of that shit, man,

and he doesn't fucking have to. Well, I bet he does. He's got a mortgage. You want to do those indie movies? They want to put him in every movie at this point. I mean, there's not a fucking movie where he doesn't have some sort of weird role, method actor-y role, you know? He's awesome.

He's the best. Yeah. He played Truman Capote, and he's fucking, he's 6'2", and Truman Capote was like 5'5". Was he really? And he spent, as far as I know, he spent, I think, like five five was he really and he spent as far as far as i know he spent i think like a year and a half and never broke character in his real life always talked like truman capote that's so gross yeah it's fucking those people need help yeah that's like daniel day lewis sleeping outside when he made last of the mohicans he slept in a

fucking tent and i don't know if that helped his performance, but whatever Yeah, Daniel Day-Lewis was a boxer for a whole year for when he played that Irish the IRA guy And he looked like rather good and that's really good. Yeah, it's really good Yeah, I think he looked like he was the best as far as actors portraying boxers It was the most accurate like non boxer is trying to cross over and like not Marky Mark or fucking Sylvester Stallone or anybody like that. Yeah. They say that Marky Mark has some professional boxing experience. Right. But there's a way that people throw punches when no one's ever punched them.

Right. And there's a way that people throw punches when they've actually known how to box. And they're totally different. Right. The way that people throw punches when they're not worried about being punched back back they have this open wide i'm fucking gonna kill you sort of thing yeah but whereas if you watch daniel day lewis he threw punches like a boxer like guard was worried about getting punched exactly yeah looking for openings his guard i wonder if he did some like intense sparring oh he did oh he did he he lived as a boxer for like a year dude he's fucking nuts

so you can so he's fucking nuts. Are you kidding? Did he like wake up at four in the morning and jog and drink eggs? He was an excellent... I don't think anybody really drinks eggs anymore. That's just another movie thing. I think you could get really sick. Yeah, you can get fucking salmonella from it. Right?

Salmonella, I think. Yeah, you can do it. Yeah, there's a lot of fucking weird shit in eating raw animal flesh. Yeah, it's not a good idea. Yeah. Can you get trichinosis? No, that's only from predators, right? Or scavengers.

Is vegan cheese good for you? I had a lot of vegan cheese the other day, and it did not digest right. Like, it really fucked me up, man. Depends on who's making it and what they're using to make it with. I think a lot of them, when you have vegan cheese on things, they use that, what is it called? Yeast, like a nutritional yeast, I think it's called. But I heard that stuff's not very good for you. Yeah, it came out like fireballs, like undigested fireballs of blobs.

It was like asteroids. Well, the best cheese for you, apparently, the easiest to digest, is non-homogenized, non-pasteurized cheese that you get in Europe. They have a completely different kind of cheese because they don't have to pasteurize and homogenize their milk. So if you have cheese that's made with raw milk, it's got a lot of different enzymes and different qualities to it. Apparently it tastes a lot better, too. Yeah, everything over there. How do we get out of a fucking cheese conversation?

I don't know. We were talking about Daniel Day-Lewis. Oh, he's drinking eggs. Yeah. Yeah, you can't. Trichinosis is a weird one. Trichinosis, 90% of all cases of trichinosis come from people eating bear meat. I don't know. What is trichinosis? Trichinosis is what you always worry about getting from pork. I've had trichinosis. You have?

Yes. They said it was traveler's diarrhea. Is that the same thing? I don't think so. I was on my ass for like a week and a half. It was fucking awful. I had a bratwurst and was... I'm not like exaggerating.

Traveler's diarrhea. Yeah. See if it's trichinosis. Because if it is, I've had it and it's fucking miserable. Did you have to go on Pedialyte? Yeah, when I was after... Actually, I got to the point where I checked myself into the hospital, and they put me in an IV because I was so low on fluid.

Dude, no exaggeration. I would go to the bathroom 100 times a day. I mean, it got to the point where I would just stay in there because my body was trying to push it out. I've been there, but not for a week. It was four days. Three days. It was so fucking gnarly, man.

It was terrible. Terrible. I had to get this very sensitive aloe vera toilet paper because I was just raw as hell. Here's what it is. TD or traveler's diarrhea. You have TD. Oh, thank God you abbreviated it. I would have been offended by the word diarrhea.

It's the most common illness affecting travelers. Each year between 20 to 50% of international travelers, an estimated 10 million persons, develop diarrhea. The onset of TD usually occurs within the first week of travel, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. High-risk destinations are developing countries, Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia. Isn't it funny? The Middle East, they call it a developing country. Is this from water? Or is this from the meat that they eat?

It doesn't really say here. Developing country is this from water or is this from the like the meat that they eat? Her you know Doesn't really say here you still use toilet paper. I just use wet wipes. I use toilet paper to help you Don't flush those wet wipes. I do well I know we've talked about this, but I've been doing it for like ten years seven years The other thing is I travel and tour a lot, so I can never think to get them. I always forget them if I do. I mean, I like them. I get it.

You've got to throw them away and not flush them. They feel much better. Yeah, I mean, if you're in a hotel and you don't give a fuck and you want to be an asshole, flush them. But trust me, dude, they're going to come back to haunt you or whoever owns your house. That's the real problem. If you don't own your house, you're like, who cares?

That'll permanently damage the plumbing in your house, won't it? No, not necessarily. So you have a little trash can with all these stinky butt wipes next to your toilet? It's like a little litter box for you? That's what it is. It's a litter box for you. Lord have mercy. I have a bidet.

Oh. I clean my butt like a gentleman. So I could probably put a garden hose in there. I'm going to install one of those bidet toilets here. I know. I have one. I just have to install one of those bidet toilets here. I know. I have one. I just have to bring it in. What causes Travers' diarrhea?

Okay. Infectious agents are the primary cause. Bacterial entopathogens cause approximately 80% of the cases. causative agent isolated in country surveyed has been enterooxygenic asherasia coli hmm a type of coli yeah fuck those little assholes it's not fun i'm sure so how'd they get rid of it they they gave me poison down the pipe yeah they gave me some medicine and it cleared it out but did it jack your your intestinal flora for like a long time but i don't know what do you mean what do you mean um when you uh look healthy people have a certain amount of like see this shit i drank this kombucha right you ever had any of this no i've

seen it it's a probiotic drink and it actually has live organisms that you're digesting and uh live organisms like um just in much in the same way that yogurt has acidophilus, which is a milk culture. Yeah, culture. When you have live bacteria that you ingest or probiotics, it actually helps fight off diseases. It helps, it can actually regulate your mood. It makes your immune system far stronger.

Yeah. They say that the acidophilus bacteria, that the acidophilus flora, rather, actually fights off, like when you contact something with your hands, the acidophilus flora is an aggressive flora, and it's on your skin, and it actually will keep other things from

infecting you as easily. Do you think that's the next raw egg, though? Like in like 10 years, you're going to be like, yeah, I was drinking bacteria for a while. I mean... No. No? No, because your body's filled with bacteria. Yeah, but what do they find out? Your body needs bacteria for everything. Needs bacteria for digestion.

Needs bacteria to... I mean, it's... You're an entire ecosystem of bacteria. There's more E. coli living in your gut than there have ever been people ever. And you have to have that. Not only do you have to have that, you have to have a series of different kinds of bacteria inside of you. So when you take antibiotics, if you take antibiotics on a long scale, like if you take like some hardcore shit, they tell you, you always take acidophilus when you're recovering

from that. They want you to take in healthy bacteria and try to repopulate your gut. Like we, we have this isolated idea of the human body that it's just a one, but it's an ecosystem. Your body relies on a bunch of different shit to stay alive in you. It's really weird. No, absolutely. It's kind of weird.

Yeah, it's very weird. But this stuff's big, this kombucha. And that regulates the intestinal floor. What keeps you from getting sick, man? It's incredible how well it works to keep me from getting sick. I travel a lot, and I almost never get sick. Yeah, so do I I mean I found that just washing my hands and taking Multivitamins keeps me from getting sick that that's a big one washing the hands that the hands are the worst man because you you shake

So many people's hands as I'm sure you do with your fans and stuff and you don't want to be a dick and then the Worst is if you you know rub your eye or your nose. You're fucked. Well, I also think it's good for your immune system to shake that many people's hands. Because you get all that bacteria on you. It gives your immune system something to do. I think your body gets used to being around other people. They've shown that people who grow up in households where the parents are really obsessed with cleaning, those kids a lot of times develop allergies easier than kids who grew up in a house

with like two cats and two dogs. And as usual, folks have done no testing on any of these theories that I'm throwing out there. I've heard them and they make sense to me. I think that it's true because there's a lot, I'm not sure if you've ever heard this. There's a lot of third world countries that are below the equator that have a lot of people that are infected with hookworms and none of them have asthma or allergies. And there was a guy that had this like a debilitating asthma and he did a research on it and found that hookworms, if you're infected by hookworms will prevent asthma. And he went to Malawi and walked through a fucking latrine and tried to infect

himself with hookworms got infected and it cured his asthma and then he tried to start a company selling fucking hookworms to people you can what this was on this American life it's one of the craziest things I've ever heard that is hilarious and he he got shut down he's not able to do it you can totally fucking google this I don this. What is the negative aspects of having hookworm in your body? I'm not really sure. I mean, I don't know. Most people in third world countries just have them. Yeah, they're infected by them.

But what you're saying is true because allergies and asthma aren't present in a lot of those countries. Like you can't find asthma in certain parts of South America and Africa. No, we went to Cameroon. That's right, Cameroon. Wow, that's fascinating. But it totally makes sense. Right. It totally makes sense.

It really is. And a whole ecosystem you're carrying around in your shoes. Yeah, and you need those antibodies and you need all that bacteria. Yeah. We've over-sterilized our country. Yeah, yeah, we certainly have. And, you know, people worried about their kids touching things and you really need to touch things. You know, you need to get your body out there.

I love that George Carlin bit where he talks about how he used to swim and shit. And that's why he never got sick because they swim in the Hudson. Yeah. The Hudson. Yeah. Swim in raw sewage and shit. So they never got sick. Yeah. That's an amazing thing about New York. If you go around New York and like if go around New York, especially if you're in a helicopter or anything, when you get to look down and see the water or look over the bridge, it's dirty as fuck. I mean, and no one is trying to fix it.

No one is saying, like, what we really need to do is make this water crystal clear so our children can swim in it. They're like, it's never going to happen. Do kids still swim in it? No, it's fucking terrible for you. I mean, I'm sure someone does, some crazy kids. But it's never going to happen. Do kids still swim in it? No. It's fucking terrible for you. I mean, I'm sure someone does, some crazy kids. But it's really bad for you.

Apparently, there's parts of Brooklyn where more oil has spilled off of Brooklyn than the Exxon Valdez. Let me pull that up. Brooklyn, because it was an article that I was reading about yachters. Toxic water. I think it was an article that I was reading about yachters. Toxic water. I think it was a vice thing. Sounds like something they would want to brag about, though. I don't think it's a brag thing. It was a...

I can't find it. That hookworm picture looks disturbing. This is a hookworm's face. Yeah, they're evil as fuck. They look like something from the movie Alien. Okay, here it is. His name was Jasper Lawrence. And he infected himself with hookworms to treat severe allergies.

This is in the fucking news. And it worked. And it completely worked. So he tried to start a company and the FDA shut him down. That's so crazy. Yeah. Wow.

The FDA classified his kits as pharmaceuticals and told him he was under investigation. He then fled the United States. Apparently, though, people that purchased the hookworms that came from his body were having trouble administering them. Because they would try to inject them into their veins. It was the only way to administer them. What? I swear to God.

That's so nasty. Did you just put it in your butthole? We had this infectious disease expert on The Joe Rogan questions everything show and he told me that people in when you come to like tropical countries He said everybody has something everybody's infected with something He was explaining all these different diseases that we're not exactly sure about when they talk about Toxoplasma and different parasites and all these different things that he's like 100% of the people that live in these places are infected with something.

There's no way to avoid it. It's fucking nuts. Yeah. He's like, that's the reality of being a human being in a tropical climate. And I was like, wow. Like, you can't get away from something there. You just exist with it. Just because the climate is so conducive to incubating all the bacteria. I wonder.

I don't know. You wonder. I don't know. You know, I don't know. I'm sure that's part of it. I'm sure also it's got to be part of it, that some of this stuff is passed on through mother and son or mother and daughter. I would assume some of it. You know, I don't know. I don't know how that works. Do they, I mean, do things like pathogens, do they get passed on to children?

I have no idea. Yeah, I imagine so, but I have no idea. Weird fucking jungle diseases and shit Terrifying man. Yeah, I'm scared of the fucking jungle Well, whenever you get hot when you get hot and moist you what you get is competition the reason why the jungle so fucking scary is because there's so much life right and when you get it any place that has condensed life and just complete

place that has condensed life and uh just complete isolation from human like influence like no no one's going in there and building shopping malls and there's no roads everywhere and you know trees aren't getting deep for i mean they're they're cutting down trees to log but what is what is forest is forest what is jungle is jungle there might be killing the jungle, but once you actually get into the jungle, the amount of competition in that jungle is insane. There's fucking ants killing everything. They have ants that march an army so strong you can hear them walking. They have

all sorts of different army ants and poisonous ants and incredible amounts of toxic spiders and snakes. And then, of course, there's jaguars. It's just incredibly dense. Jaguars are crazy then, of course, there's jaguars. It's just incredibly dense. Jaguars are crazy, man. Oh, it's crazy. So what you're dealing with in the rainforest

is incredibly dense life, like everything, insect life, reptile life, animal life, all of it, like, coalescing together. And you just have an immense amount of competition. When you have an immense amount of competition, you're going to have diseases. You're going to have problems. You're going to have, you know,

the amount of moisture there, the heat, the carcasses are going to rot, and just, you know, all the things that feed off of carcasses and the diseases, infectious, airborne, da-da-da-da-da-da, in the water, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Just, I mean, they have fucking,

they have parasites that swim up your dick. I've heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. And bite the shit out of you. You have to cover the head of your cock when you piss because they're attracted to urine. And they find, when you're in the

water, if you try to pee in the water, they fucking swim upstream. They find your piss, swim up through it. So they sense your piss and they go after you. Exactly. And they go up your pee hole. What's the fish? There's a fish that has human teeth. Have you seen this? And they'll bite your testicles off.

Of course they will. Yeah. You ever seen that shit? They have human fucking teeth, man. They look very human-like. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. There was a monkey in a zoo. Was it in China? That ripped off some baby's balls? Oh, man. Ripped off eight-month-old testicles when he was eating them. Oh, why the balls, man?

Because he's a fucking cunty monkey. It was just a piece that he could grab and yank off. He probably has already yanked off people's balls. That's so... Is that real? Yes, that's real. That's so strange. Look, if you can find one,

there's one where it actually shows them. There, yeah, look. Those teeth are better than some comics I know. Look at the roof of its mouth. It has multiple layers of teeth. Oh, that's so freaky. And I want to say that they have found these in lakes in Illinois. Because these were native to, I believe.

Yeah, Massachusetts. What's the fish called? It begins with a P. That's so weird. Look at that photo. That's so fucking weird. Worst blowjob ever Or best

Or best yeah No Why you creeps What is it called Brian What is it Hold on I want to say it's like a piku fish Sheepshed

No Sheepshed I don't think that's it Sheepshed Yeah That's what it said Yeah that's a sheepshed It's also called a convict

fish. I guess there's probably more than one fish that has human teeth. Oh, totally. Yeah. Did you see that volcano that they found in the middle of the Pacific? Paku fish. Paku, I think, is related to the piranha. Is that different? Okay. I think it's like a cousin of the piranha.

Oh, yeah, that's completely different. You're right. Alright, sheep's head. Because paku is one of those fish that you can actually buy. And I remember when I had piranhas, like you couldn't get it. It was very hard to get them in a store, but you could get a paku in a store. The, what was I going to say? Oh, the fucking volcano. Did you hear about that volcano they found in the middle of the Pacific? No.

They just found it. The largest volcano ever discovered on Earth, and they believe in the entire solar system. It's just in the middle of the Pacific. It's this enormous volcano that's as big as New Mexico, and it's in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Dude, that's fucking insane. And they didn't even know it existed.

How the fuck did they not know? We don't know much about the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Dude, that's fucking insane. And they didn't even know it existed. How the fuck did they not know? We don't know much about the bottom of the ocean, apparently. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We still keep discovering shit about Earth. I mean, it's kind of a testament to how big and crazy this place is. But a lot of people think we've seen everything and we have it all tracked and we fucking don't.

Well, that's the argument for things like Bigfoot. But this is some real shit. Dude, Bigfoot is out there, whatever the hell that thing is. That's actually probably an argument against Bigfoot, is that they can't find Bigfoot, but they can find this in the middle of the ocean. Actually, that's a terrible argument because this is so big. It dwarfs the previous record holder.

Mauna Loa used to be the world's largest volcano. But this one, Mauna Loa is... Oh, it's actually 25% smaller than Olympus Mons on Mars, which is the biggest volcano in Earth's solar system. So it's a little bit smaller. It's one of the largest in the solar system, but the largest on Earth. It's 400 miles wide and 2.5 miles

tall it erupted for a few million years during the early Cretaceous period about 144 million years ago but has since been been extinct Wow that's nuts so it almost became another Hawaii essentially but it's even bigger when did they find that Hawaii like a week ago? Maybe they're just trying to grow a new Japan real quick might not be a bad idea using chemtrails Yeah, it sends some fucking harp signals down to the bottom of the ocean try to crack that fucker to the top Are you scared at all about that shit man? I know this is supposed to be a conversation about rap in your book No, no, we don't got it. We don't gotta talk about rap or my book here at that shit, man? I know this is supposed to be a conversation about rap in your book. No, no. We don't got to talk about rap or my book. Are you scared of Fukushima?

Dude, the harp thing? No, no. Fukushima, man. I don't know what Fukushima is. That's the nuclear disaster in Japan. You're not aware of that? Last podcast, Joe, I was freaked out about it because we talked about it so much. But then all the shit that people sent me on Twitter, now I'm just like, oh, man, there's two sides of it.

It's like ridiculous. When did this... I've been on tour. You didn't hear about the Japanese nuclear meltdown? How long ago is this? Are you serious? How long ago is this? This is like people will get so mad at you right now.

Yeah, fuck another American so obsessed with his own bullshit that doesn't understand one of the mass extinction events this world has ever known. I know a lot about extinction events, just I don't know. Have you been watching Breaking Bad? 2011. I didn't see the last one, though. 2011. The

tsunami and earthquake. Right. Sure, I know that. Fukushima power plants went down, and they didn't have a backup. And if you know how, I didn't know how nuclear worked until this, but the way it works is you have to keep those things cool. Nuclear power apparently is just a big fire that works and creates steam, and the steam powers generators.

Right. And they pour water into it, and that's why they're always near the water. The water is like, it hits the steam, uh it hits the uh the nuclear plant somehow or another the the fusion the energy heats up the water and that powers the generators like it's it's way more primitive than i thought it was i thought it's somehow another extracting the energy from the nuclear power they put it into tubes or some shit and then it comes into i don't i didn't know does. Well, when they do that, they have to keep these rods cool. They have to constantly keep them cool, this nuclear energy. And when the power goes out, they're fucked. They're really, really fucked.

They had backup for, like, eight hours. They had, like, when the tsunami hit them, it killed their generator and it killed their backup generator. And so they couldn't cool it off. And once you can't cool it off, it's done. Like you never can cool it off again. They don't know how to cool it off. So essentially they have this place that remains hot for hundreds of thousands of years it's contaminated.

Right. And so they don't know. And honestly, a lot of it is theoretical. They don't even know where it is right now because it's melted through its containment hole. So it's going further and further into the earth. Oh, Jesus Christ. The whole thing, it's madness. Yeah, now that I, yes, I am scared about that.

That's fucking terrifying. And it's leaking millions and millions of gallons of radioactive water into the ocean. Jesus. They've showed a measurable increase in the radioactivity in fish. Right now they say it's within tolerable levels. It's like 3% increase in radioactive isotopes. But it's dangerous. It's fucking dangerous.

I've been eating mad fish lately just because I feel like one day I won't be able to. You should eat it. Maybe you'll get superpowers. Let me know. No, that is some scary shit. I feel very inadequate as a human for not knowing about that. Well, you shouldn't feel inadequate, but it's kind of shocking that no one's...

Well, you live in Kansas City. No one's worried about fish. Yeah. You're worried about catfish. Catch catfish. Fuck catfish. I fucking hate catfish. What do you hate? Catfish. I don't know. It's always a guy. Those shows where people are reaching in and grabbing them with their hands. Because when you grow up in Kansas City, everybody's always, let's go to the lake this weekend

and we're going to go. And that's what you do is you fucking go catfishing. And they have fucking whiskers that they beat you with if you hold them. And they're like pigs. Well, they're trying to stay alive. I understand that. I'm just saying I'm not a fan of them. I'm not a fan of them. Yeah, catfish are delicious.

And you can catch them with your hands. Yeah, and then they beat you with their fucking whiskers. Those shows where they reach their hand into the mouth and grab them and pull them out of the lake, that is the most ridiculous shit ever. That's the best way to catch these fucking things. Would chloroform work on catfish? I don't think it would work underwater. No, I mean, yeah.

The size of these fucking catfish that they pull out with their hands, too. I mean, there's some, I don't know if you've ever seen, like, the, because you like, you know, legendary animals. There's, like, 400-pound catfish swimming through rivers and shit. Yeah. You ever seen some of these pictures of these, like, mega catfish? I mean. Yeah, there's giant ones.

Huge. They caught one recently. There was some world record one they caught in some other country. But someone put a video up on YouTube, and it seriously looked like the guy was pulling in a hippo he caught it with a rod and reel pull it pull it up pull up world record catfish caught like the most recent one it's insane it's like it looks like it's like eight nine feet long and it looks like a hippo it literally looks like he's pulling in a hippopotamus it's enormous it. It's a catfish. Yeah. Where was it? Where was it? I don't know.

Kazakhstan or some shit. I don't know. I have no idea. It's just a bunch of strange, strange languages that I don't understand. Fuck catfish.

That's something I do understand. Look at this one. That's probably Thailand. Thailand has a lot of giant ones. That's crazy. Yeah,

but there's a video of a guy pulling one in on a rod and reel. Video of a guy pulling in the world record. Oh, here it is. It's just, these are just rivers, man. Why do you have two videos playing at the same time?

I don't know. You have volume playing, Tokyo Power. We don't need to hear that music. No, no, no, no, not here. No, no, no, no, no. But it's really important mood music, man. No, no, no, no, no. You got't need to hear that music. No, no, no, no, no. Here. No, no, no, no, no. But it's really important. Mood music, man. You got to really...

No, no, no, no, no, no. Look at that rod pulling. Jesus Christ. Scoot ahead so you can actually see the fish. It's way better hearing you do it. This is not the fish. That's not the it. This is not the fish. That's not the one. This is not the world record one.

But it's pretty goddamn big. Look at the size of that fucking thing. He's pulling it with his hands. What the fuck? That's not even close, though. Look, he conveniently rested on his dick. Oh, I just happened to stick my dick in this catfish's mouth after conquering it look at this yeah did they call that a Kentucky kiss or what's that called you know what's really fucked up that's

not even the craziest animal that lives in fresh water you ever seen an alligator gar a what alligator gar no oh dude pull that up there's videos of these people catching these things they apparently live uh in some places in the south. Like Texas has lakes that have them. And these things are enormous. They grow like nine feet long. They look like dinosaurs. They look like swimming dinosaurs. Their teeth, they're like giant piranha.

Their teeth are filled with these crazy fucking sharp teeth. And I think they eat them. I think they eat them like on swamp people. I think they smoke them. But it's a crazy looking dinosaur evil ancient fish you got it yeah look at this fucking thing is this somebody catching one yeah people yeah what is with these fishermen With their fucking shitty music behind their fish videos Where do you see this thing

That's not even that big of one Kill that music dude stop Go to uh Oh my god look at that thing That's how I press that. That's a... Holy shit. Show a good photo of one, because some of them, like, you'll see the teeth.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus Christ. Wow. I mean, that's a Native American freshwater fish. Oh, my God. And it's probably been in this state for, you know, millions of years. Oh, my God. It looked like that.

That is terrifying. Yeah, and they're huge. I mean, these things get enormous. What's the world record alligator car? Let's find out how big they get. Dude, that photo that you said that you tweeted the other day with the mountain lion eating deer on the side of the road. Yeah, mountain lion eating deer on the side of the road in Santa Monica.

I know. Right in the Santa Monica mountains. Like, people were driving by, and they passed it. I'm like, what the fuck? You ever seen the video of the Komodo dragon eating the water buffalo? Yes. That's, like, one of the best. They measure from the alligator gar as the largest freshwater fish found in North America.

It measures between 8 and 10 feet fucking long. God damn it. If you pull up a photo that says world record alligator gar, do that on Google image search. I'm using Bing, bro. Okay, Bing. You contrarian. I'm using Bing with my Windows phone.

I give zero fucks. Look at this thing. This is one of the world record ones. Oh, my God. Jesus. That's an alligator, brother. That's the world record alligator. Look at the picture that he just pulled up.

Look at that, though. This just got captured last week. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's the world record alligator they just captured in Mississippi. Where? That was in Mississippi? Yeah, not even world record.

I believe it's just Mississippi record, right? Yep. Yeah, but what's crazy is the state record, they broke twice in a day. One person got one that was over 700, and someone else got one that was even larger than that. It was over 700 pounds. So two of them in a day that broke the previous state record. That's crazy.

When I was a kid, I used to live in Florida, and I lived in a place called Gainesville, and Gainesville has a lake. Yeah, I played a show in Gainesville. There's a good college there. Yeah. It's also where I think Ted Bundy did all his killing. Yeah. There was a lake called Lake Alice, and it was filled with alligators.

Alligators were there all the time. We used to feed them. We used to throw marshmallows in, and they would eat the marshmallows. Occasionally, people's dogs, like someone would fuck up, and they'd be walking their dog too close to the water. They would just jump out, grab them, snap them up. Yeah. I thought you meant like you threw marshmallows and then occasionally somebody's dog.

No. That's so fucking rude. No. But they were scarce. Like you weren't allowed to hunt them. They were like they're a protected species. That's why they were telling us not to feed them marshmallows at one point in time. They put up a sign because apparently the alligators had a hard time digesting the marshmallow.

Like, they were concerned with the alligators, their population. But now, now they're everywhere. They're just infested. They have these people on those swamp shows. You ever watch those swamp shows on the History Channel? They have, like, a 500 tag limit. So they can kill 500 of them in a fucking season. So they're just driving around the swamp,

shooting rifles into the water, setting traps. Yeah, that's almost two a day. Jesus Christ. Well, I think, I don't know how long their season lasts. Oh, yeah. That's way more than two a day, depending on how long the season lasts. I think they have a season.

But like, you know, some animals, when they get too crazy, they stop the season thing and they just say, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Like wild pigs in Texas. There's a thing that they put out today. It was on my Twitter that they hired a guy to start trapping them in the city of Dallas. That they have to start trapping wild hogs in the city of Dallas. Because they're making their way into the city. Dallas. Because they're like a nuisance. Because they're making their way into the city.

Wild pigs in Texas are so bad right now. There's more than 11 million wild pigs in Texas alone right now, apparently. Have you ever been to South Africa? No. Okay. So we did a tour in South Africa and we were driving from Cape Town to Johannesburg or driving, no, driving around Johannesburg. Cape Town to Johannesburg or driving, no, driving around Johannesburg.

And there is a guy pretty much every 20 miles or so that is employed by the state that walks around with a whip and he whips baboons off the street because they fuck with people's cars. Baboons are little fucking thugs, man. They will like, they'll break into your car and and take all your cds and break them and piss all over your car and fuck your shit up and and just leave it there they do it on purpose so they they pay a guy to walk around and wit baboons to keep them out of people's cars dude they're goons you know what's really weird about baboons is they're kind of like part dog right they're like you know they're they're a they're a primate but they look kind of dog part dog. Right. They're like, you know, they're a primate,

but they look kind of dog-like. Like when they open up their mouth and they bare their teeth or they're barking or something like that, they have like a dog face. Yeah. You know, pull up a picture of some baboons. Baboons' teeth.

They're freaky-looking fucking animals. They're crazy, man. And they're everywhere. That's the thing. Of baboon. Pull up a picture of baboon. The, they have a real problem with them breaking into people's hotel rooms, too. Like, they've broken into, like, they figured out how to open sliding glass doors and shit.

And they'll break into, like, if you leave them open, they'll break into your hotel room, just ransack your shit. Yeah, they fuck your shit up. Yeah, look at it. Oh, he's sticking his ass up against that kid's face. Yeah, they fuck your shit up. Yeah, look at it. Oh, he's sticking his ass up against that kid's face. Yeah, they're rude. They're smarter than people Get some good ones

that show baboons' teeth. Get something that shows baboons' teeth. They're freaky-looking animals, man. They're almost like a dog-monkey hybrid. They're everywhere in South Africa.

They're walking down the sidewalk. So if you're out for a jog or something, you might encounter a baboon. God damn. What do they do about them? They try to have somebody come around and regulate them, but I don't think that they're

completely successful. So, I don't know. I think you can scream at one or something and it'll run away from you. Maybe not, though, right? Maybe not. Some mayor in India recently got killed. Look at that thing.

Some mayor got killed by a pack of monkeys. A mayor of a town in India. Dude, monkeys are fucking ruthless. Yeah, put up a couple more of those pictures. It's so weird that that's a real animal, man. Look at their fucking teeth. But it's like very, almost dog-like, you know? It's primate-like, but it's long and dog-like.

Like wolf-like or something. Yeah. I'm so glad we don't have shit like that here. I mean, we have our art. We have bears. Bears are scary than that. Bears are pretty bad. Did you hear about that event last week?

Or it was two weeks ago where seven people got bitten by a bear? Yeah. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. In one day. Yeah, bears are pretty scary. And they're huge, too. And fucking fast.

So you can't outrun them. Oh, yeah. They're bad. Yeah. Jesus. That's real, too. They pull their lips back. Do they do that with their hands, or does it just pull back like that?

No, it just does it. Jesus, man. It does it when they wide open their mouths. Scariest vagina ever. What a creepy-looking animal, man. Yeah, there was a couple of days, a couple-day period, where seven people were mauled by bears in America. Yeah, they...

It's getting weird, man. It's getting really weird. Yeah. Yeah, things are kind of nuts, man. I don't know. I'm just scared of shit like that, and I guess in Kansas City, we don't really have to worry about stuff like that, which is nice. We don't have bears or alligators. You plan on staying there? I don't know man i'm

probably gonna have to move probably have to move out here because of some of the stuff that's going on um my wife definitely wants to move out here because of uh showbiz type stuff yeah your wife wants to get the fuck out of kansas city yeah she doesn't like it i don't know she she was getting ready to move to england and i kind of interrupted her plans and married her and put a baby in her. So now that stuff is going so well, she wants to go to either of the coasts but just not stay in Kansas City, which is something to consider because it's getting to the point where it's hard to do shit from there. So you got to live in California. You got weather, weed, women.

Oh. Women, weather, weed, In-N-Out Burger. That's right. In-N-Out Burger's pretty nice. Even if you're gluten-free, you can get the protein style where they give it to you on two big slabs of lettuce. Yeah, she's gluten-free. She'd love that. It'll stink up your car, though, for days and days.

That smell of In-N-Out, it's impossible to get out of your car. It's weird. Even if you clean your car up, you're like, where is it? How is it in here? You know? I ate in the box. You know, I cleaned the box.

I picked the box up. I threw it in the garbage. I get in my car. It still smells like In-N-Out. Do you like living out here? I mean, because you've lived quite a few places, right? You've bounced around. There's too many people.

That's an issue. Right. But the good thing about too many people is you get a lot of cool people because there's so many fucking people and it's so there's a lot of creative people to live here so like you can cultivate like we've got a great group of friends now and it's like all of our friends are comics and people that we know that are creative that live inside of la and so in that sense it's a great place to live you can find find a lot of interesting, cool people here. But the numbers are so big. When you're dealing with something like, they think there's 20 million people in the greater Los Angeles area. When you're dealing with numbers that are that big, I think you sort of almost like, you don't appreciate people as much. I think they're

overwhelming to you. Whereas if you go to a small town, what I like about driving in a place like Boulder or something like that is people wave to you. If you're passing on a road. It's very hospitable in places like that. That's the same with Kansas City. We're very friendly to each other. There's less pressure. There's a real pressure that comes from volume of people. And I feel it on the highway, and I think it's responsible for road rage.

Most road rage, you're not seeing road rage in empty roads. Road rage, a lot of it is like during traffic. There's road rage in empty roads too. Yeah, well, that's just assholes, right? That was probably a bad example. Right. But my point being that when there's less people that are clogging up the world, you're not constantly being slowed down everywhere you go by a high volume of people.

I think you appreciate them more. constantly being slowed down everywhere you go by a high volume of people, I think you appreciate them more. Do you feel that there's an overabundance of maybe, kind of like what we were talking about before the show, not to say any names, but creative people that are getting in the way of maybe people that have a genuine voice? Oh, people that have figured out a way to exist in the system even though they suck yeah yeah and maybe are preventing

other people that would otherwise have opportunities i don't know you know we were talking about a specific example of a comedian that we know that sucks that somehow or another has carved out some sort of a small life in hollywood but being while being incredibly bad i think this those are rare. It's rare. I think most people that actually get through, and you might not enjoy them. It might not be your style.

But there's a lot of music that's not my style, but other people fucking love it. And there's that weird pretentious thing where you go, no, it fucking sucks, period. It might suck to you, but to someone, theiths are the greatest band ever yeah a lot of people think that yeah yeah a lot of people a lot of people think that i don't like them no it's not my style never but i appreciate that they obviously are great to those people that's how it is but then there's also other folks that get through as writers and that's

where it gets really weird see that's one of the reasons I would come here is, is to parlay what I'm doing into writing. Well, you're a funny writer, dude. You wouldn't have to worry about what we're describing. Right. We're describing as people that somehow or another get jobs as writers that aren't funny at all. And I've seen it, man. I've seen it on large scale. And you know what happens? A lot of times it gets really weird. Like sitcom writers, they have teams. And so it'll be one guy who's the really funny guy. And the other guy is the guy who bounces shit off, who doesn't talk that much. But they work as a team, because the one guy who's a really funny, creative guy is kind of dysfunctional and can't really do it on himself, can't type or something like that. And so they have like these two men teams, and they're monsters.

And it happens a lot where you have these two men teams and they're monsters and it happens a lot Where you have these two men teams these guys start out together, but there's one guy who's really talented I did this um pilot like way back in the day I had a development deal to do a show and there was these two guys that worked on a very successful sitcom And this guy branched off on his own separated from his partner and got this fucking deal And it was a giant deal. It was millions of dollars. I mean, he was the guy. And so the people that gave me this development deal wanted me to meet with him.

So I go into Homeboy's office. First of all, he's wearing bowling shoes, which is a bad sign because those bitches are not comfortable. So it's one thing if you're wearing, you know, you like wearing high-top Converse and you're 90 years old, you're eccentric. But at least they're comfortable to wear. If you're wearing, you know, you like wearing a high-top Converse and you're 90 years old, you're eccentric. But at least they're comfortable to wear.

If you're wearing bowling shoes, I assume you're trying to be wacky. And I get grossed out, you know? So I was thinking, this guy, this is a weird sign. And then he's just not funny. Like, in talking to him, he doesn't seem particularly interesting. He doesn't seem particularly

sharp. There's like, there's nothing, I mean, like, maybe he pours it all out in his writing maybe he's his bland guy and when he writes you're like holy shit yeah so they give me the the script after this guy's done with it and it is one of the worst pieces of shit i've ever read in my life and the guy eventually faded away and disappeared but for a long time he was considered to be one of the best writers in Hollywood because he was a part of a team on a successful show and then as he branched out this gigantic development deal got this huge push in the beginning and they disappeared yeah I've heard that people in Hollywood kind of fail upwards they they are a part of things that and they just managed to

make it to a certain point without ever really doing anything it's kind of a cliche you know is that is that more of a cliche i think it's happened before yeah but it's a nepotism thing people that are really good at networking in like show business like as producers or you know as executives maybe more so than anything else but as far as like people that are producing like writers or something like that not really see my biggest fear is and i can't talk about the the network or anything but this is obviously getting optioned into something and one of my biggest fears is being afflicted with shitty writers oh it'll happen because my biggest and and i don't understand still i cannot possibly grasp the logic

why they won't let me write it because it's my shit. Who won't let you write it? The people you're doing the deal with? Everybody. They're just going, no, we'll find you a writer. Which is fine because maybe this particular person, whoever they decide to choose or people, will actually produce a teleplay that's amazing and take what I've done.

Teleplay. It's on a fixing machine. These are words that I've been hearing of late. Teleplay. But I'm also worried that then it's gonna come back and it's gonna be a piece of shit and it's gonna take all the heart and soul that I put into it and just make it sterile

it's very possible I haven't had good luck in trying to turn things into TV shows it's hard it's also hard when you're dealing with it's a huge process when you're dealing with more than one person when you're dealing with it's a huge process when you're dealing with more than one person because you're dealing with more than one vision you know I mean I found that even on this sci-fi show that I did there was like people that were saying we should do it like this or we should

do it like that I'm like there's all these different points of view and a lot of times that fucks things up like yeah Louis CK has the best deal ever dude the best deal because the steel is basically they said're not going to give you any money, but you can do whatever the fuck you want and we'll air it. It's so, well, they give him money, but I mean, it was such a smart thing on their part to trust. Like here you get a guy who's a comedic genius and you say, well, what do you do about this? Well, you trust him.

You trust him to do something funny and you give him money. I would love that. Well, that's what you need. I think, honestly, that's what everybody gets on the internet. I mean, it really is what it is. The things that have become successful from the internet, like your videos, are all things that you've created on your own and they've found their audience. And that's

really what someone needs to understand. You got to be famous from the internet. I found out about you from your work, from your mind then pushed out to the universe and you put it together you you filmed it like this pancake wrap thing that everybody knows about here this is this is a pretty big one yeah yeah that shit looked like my breakfast i gotta remember to flip the

motherfucker over after cooking it for 30 seconds ladies love me i got my oj everybody said to do another fast rap to this beat So I said okay, but I'm gonna speed it up real real real fast Now the whole damn battle is gone and I'm challenging busto watch me and twist on any of you rap kids follow along come on Cook with me now. Are you getting drunk? This took me Because I I probably did over 200 takes because there's a particular part where I kept fucking the words up It's coming up in a second. So it took me two nights

Do that Like it and it just got to the point where I had to just start hammering screwdrivers, like half and half orange juice and vodka, because I kept fucking that part up. That makes it better? Screwdrivers makes it better? No, it made it worse. That was the problem. I was just frustrated.

That's like micro-machining. Here's another one. Here's another one. Here's another one. That's amazing. God damn, dude. That must be so hard to do live. It's, it's, it's, as long as I get proper vocal and, uh. Warm ups?

Warm ups. Then I'll be fine. Like, if I just try to go out there and do that, it's not happening. I mean, you've got to stretch. Like before you train jiu-jitsu or something, you've got 20, 30 minutes of warming up. It's that similar concept. I do that now before shows. I make sure I have conversations before shows.

Do you ever do like scales and ha-ha-ha? Yeah, I go, oh. But I also stretch my mouth. Yeah, you have to. You have to. And it's a lot of stretching I also stretch my mouth out. Yeah, you have to. You have to. And it's a lot of stretching my tongue and my cheeks out and talking. And the crucial thing is making sure I'm extremely hydrated. Because that'll make my mouth very kind of juicy and lubricated.

Juicy. Juicy and lubricated. Yeah, dog. Keep talking. I'll get my pants off. juicy and lubricated. Yeah, dog. Keep talking,

I'll get my pants off. But I found that the internet is, you know, in particular, like what Google is doing right now, trying to destroy network TV with Google Fiber. I found a couple years ago, and where this is all from,

where Bennett is coming from, is that we're kind of all as artists taking control back. And, you know, like you do with this podcast what i do with my videos what i did with my blog and we create all this shit that they you know the suits will try to take and repackage for networks and i think that the thing with louis is they let one through that didn't have to go through the filter of all the executives and the suits. And that's why it's so fucking awesome. Yeah.

It's because they said, all right, well, we're just going to let this guy do it. Well, look at what you're doing. Right. And look at how, how would you have done that if you had a bunch of people telling you what to do? I wouldn't, I couldn't, even if I had one person telling me what to do. I mean, I like the autonomy and I think that's why there's so many voices that are emerging because we're getting these like singular very Creative versus our voices that are come, you know what you do perfect example

Well, this podcast would have never been like this if we had a producer or a network There was no like is there a funnier way that we could say that could we say that use some more g-rated words? Advertisers aren't gonna like when you the flesh using the fleshlight you know or this motherfucker just just having him hang around right butthole every five seconds can we get the james franco instead yeah well they would be like you know like we we've done studies and oh that's well that's one of the things like in one of the projects i have is as i'm very certain that it's gonna have to go through a fucking focus group and I've course I've never had that happen to anything. I've ever done. It's weird. It's weird focus groups are straight Well, I mean what is like you've had what are like some of the comments that you get?

I mean you get like very bizarre fucked up comment. No quite honestly if something's good they like it I Mean that's that's the reality of focus groups. People don't like it. something's good they like it i mean that's that's the reality of focus groups people don't like it they don't they like to like say well you know fuck a focus group but if you got a good product the focus group is most likely going to like it you know it's the problem is you shouldn't have to do it that way right you should the way you develop a show it's like way the way you develop anything it's like you create it you put it out there you get feedback you work it and tweak it and you continue and when you start out it's not going to be the same thing it is a year from now or six months from now you're going to get it

together like for me there's like a whole process from the beginning of uh coming up with a bit and then what it what the bit actually becomes in six months and if i had to judge it based on the first time i ever did it on stage it would prompt most bits would probably never make it absolutely they would die off they would they they just not ready and when you're on a television show everybody wants the beginning product to be the final product and it's not it takes fucking forever go watch the first episode of the sopranos it was a comedy it was a comedy it was a slapstick over was a comedy. It was a slapstick, over-the-top comedy where Edie Falco had a fucking machine gun and her daughter was trying to climb into the window at night

and she's out there with an AK-47 pointing it at her. Yeah, because Meadow was trying to sneak back and she had snuck out of the house. Exactly. It was a joke. It was a hilarious, loopy, over-the-top mob show. And then it became this intense, incredible drama and one of the most realistic shows in human history.

But it didn't start out like that. It's weird to see shows kind of take that evolution. I think that Eastbound and Down has done that. That went from a very funny comedy and now it's kind of like this drama show. It's dramedy. Have you seen any of the recent seasons? I like that guy. I think he's fucking awesome. drama show. Drama Dears. Have you seen any of the recent seasons? I have only, I can't,

I like that guy, I think he's fucking awesome, but I can only watch that show in like short bursts. Well, the second season and in particular the third season,

dude, it was a fucking romantic comedy. What are we doing here? Brian's distracting us. Oh, okay. I was showing a scene

from Sopranos, Joey Diaz. Oh, he's in it? He was in the Sopranos. He was on Mad TV. Yeah. Yeah.

Stop. Yeah, look, I think it's hard to get someone Oh, he's in it? He was in The Sopranos. He was on Mad TV. Yeah. Yeah. Stop. Yeah. Look, I think it's hard to get someone to be willing to let you do your thing and put it on TV, but that's the only way it's ever going to be your thing. You just have to... It's something you have to go through. It's just hard to do it on a place like FX, but you could do it on Vimeo. You could do it on YouTube.

That's the beautiful thing about the internet. And that's why you're here. No, that is why I'm here. That's also why you're there. That's why you're there. You're representing you. You're representing Mac Lethal. I mean, you're here.

Boom, you made it. There it is. Everybody likes it. Oh, good. Here I am, the guy who does that. Well, we want to change all that. We want to throw in a bunch of other people that you don't even know and get a bunch of guys that have a totally different sensibility. And listen, we know how to make some

shitty TV shows. We've done it in the past. And we would like to take your amazing original idea and turn it into a piece of shit that you're going to pull your fucking hair out of. And we're going to give you nine writers. And they're all dickheads. Have you seen this, Joe? What is it? He makes a Kanye West song out of nothing but hair.

Oh, you haven't seen this? It's great. Yeah. He loops it. Dana White followed me on Twitter because of this. This took like a week. What looper do you use by the way? That is the fucking Roland 606 loop machine. It has infinite loops. And

then I have one where I use my phone, which is a program called Everyday Looper. And you're doing all this by just pressing the loop machine and making noises with a hair dryer. And for people who are listening to this at home going, what the fuck am I listening to? You have to see it. This is Niggas in Paris by Kanye and Jay-Z. I know how to say that. Check it out. You know I'm bald so hard that my whole head's shiny.

So it's easy to find me. What's Rogaine to a motherfucker like me? Could you please remind me? Bald so hard that shit's gray. Gotta sweep all the hair in the trash again. Gotta buzz it. Gotta keep it really short. I gotta shave it or I'm looking like I'm Khloe Kardashian.

See, I'm a bald badass like Dana White. When I roll up on your bitchy ass and a slick priyaz. And I fight you when I'm high as fuck like I'm Nick Diaz. I never get rehab. I'm getting cinematic with it. Anybody wanna try to fuck with me for further benefit? I'm gonna kick you so hard that my shin will split. Little things better get a mental grip.

You did another one where you looped where you were making noises like with your mouth. With the phone. Yeah. That's the one I talk about. I mentioned your name. Yeah, that's how I saw it. Getting your mind so open like I'm Joe Rogan. I use this program called Everyday Looper.

And I probably made this guy fucking half a million dollars. And you did it with your phone. Yeah, I did it with this. This is the program right here. Wow. And it just infinitely loops. And basically, I use this thing called Apogee where i could plug it into my phone and record an acoustic guitar and then i made a lot of noises with my mouth and just looped them whistled harmonized with the whistle and then and then i did a song over it and i just have found that in 2013 it's it's not enough um especially if you're not going to get radio play and you're

not going to get on mtv if you want to stand out, you have to use new forms of making songs, use technology, hair products, whatever it is. You have to do things that are pushing the envelope. And we've already done everything. We've already written every song we can possibly write with all the instruments that we have. So what I'm trying to do is incorporate pancakes or incorporate my iPhone or incorporate hair products. Whatever it is that's going to push the envelope and make it stand out a little bit more. Yeah, this is it right here, right?

Yeah, this is it. This is crazy. And then you bust out a guitar in the middle of this? Yep. The guy that makes this everyday looper program has to owe me fucking $250,000 for how many of these I sold for him. Dickhead. And so you make this, and that's all you have to do is do that once, and then it loops. Then it loops, then I add another one to it.

And you can stack them over top of each other too in this program. So it can go up to like... This is so badass. And you're doing all this in real time. Yeah, and then might suck at guitar But at least I've never protested a dead soldier's funeral Uh, and yeah, I'm losing my hair But at least I've never judged a woman for thinking that another woman's beautiful and

sometimes and I mean sometimes I might even text message while I drive but I've never thanked God when a precious five-year-old child was shot and died what's it to you you got something so sick just bust into your nutty cuckoo it's so ugly brutal This was about what this was when Sandy Hook happened because I'm from Kansas City So I'm 20 minutes away from Topeka, Kansas where the Westboro Baptist Church is and we've experienced for our whole lives the Phelps family the Roper family always protesting You know like if a soldier dies in afghanistan and they have a funeral for him they will protest it and say that god is the reason that it happened

because america is a fag enabling country so sandy hook happened and all the the children were were you know executed and they were going to go out there and protest the fucking candlelight vigil for all the children um that were shot in that tragedy so i made a song but see i i'm very very stern and austere and and i don't like to make songs if i feel i'm benefiting off of a tragedy it has to be completely genuine and this is just i was getting ready to have a baby in two months so it was just something that I really connected with. And I kind of had that idea laying around of using my phone and the whistle and the guitar. So then I just put the lyrics over it.

And I actually, one of the greatest accomplishments of that song is I met, and I'm now friends with Megan Phelps Roper, who is the most outspoken of the Westboro Baptist Church up until about a year ago, where she decided that she no longer agreed with the ideals she was indoctrinated with and left the church and is now exiled from the church. So she was the most vocal? She was like their social media person that would be on Twitter. She argued with Kevin Smith a lot on Twitter and made a lot of YouTube videos and websites to promote the Westboro Baptist Church

and everything they stand for. So what happened? How did she snap out of it? There's a very long and interesting article. I can't remember the website that it is, but she explains that she hit a ceiling at one point and realized that her family does not have exclusive rights to decide what is and isn't right or wrong. And her whole thing is she just feels like they represent hate and they don't represent love.

And that she just kind of grew up and realized she was indoctrinated as a child. Wow, that's a fascinating case. That would be an interesting documentary. She wrote me, oh, totally. And she wrote me a very, very long email that said, I just wanted to know if you would forgive me. And I wanted to apologize to you for anything that I ever said. And she never said anything about me. But she saw that video and just said it hit home.

And I miss my family a lot. And I've been exiled by them. And we've developed a friendship um over it and now she's on kind of a mission to find out who she is and what she thinks and what she feels but she knows she doesn't agree with the family but they don't if you leave their their ideals they fucking exile you she hasn't talked to any of her family in like a year wow well she's lucky. Fuck them. Yeah, no, fuck them.

But just the idea that you could grow up in an environment like that and be indoctrinated into that thinking is very real. There's children right now that if they're protesting, which I'm sure that they are, have signs that say, you know, American troops dying is a blessing from God because America is a fag-enabling country. Yeah, it's all, have you seen Jesus Camp? Love it. That takes place in Independence, Missouri, which is 20 minutes the opposite way. That lady that speaks in tongues, the fucking weird chick that has the camp,

I don't remember what her name is. She has the curly hair. She's kind of frumpy, and she'll randomly start going, speaking in tongues. She's in Independence, Missouri. That's right up the street. We have the biggest population of evangelists in where I live. And that's maybe one of the reasons why I stay, because I'm not around a bunch of like progressive creatives. I'm around against very volatile, non-tolerant people, intolerant people. And that's why you stay? It's maybe one

of the reasons because I feel like it fuels some of the stuff thatant people. And that's why you stay? It's maybe one of the reasons because I feel like it fuels some of the stuff that I do. And I'm in a different environment than a lot of musicians and writers are. So it gives you a different perspective? It gives me a different perspective, yeah. That sounds like a nice excuse for staying in Kansas.

You're like, look, there's some good things about it. Cheap rent. Yeah, cheap rent, clean water. about it. Cheap rent. Yeah. Cheap rent, clean water. Fight the power. Evangelists. Yeah. Well, I think because of the internet, we've talked about this on the show many times before, that I think there's pockets of cool people all over the place now.

Everywhere. Because of the internet. Yeah, everywhere. Yeah, it really starts with what kids are exposed to. Kids are exposed to this. They stay in the neighborhood. They grow up, become parents. What were they exposed to as they're developing, as they're becoming a human

being? What made them think that this is something to aspire to? If you grew up around a bunch of Fred Phelps type characters, you can really fuck your perspective. But nowadays, you're getting so much more input. You're getting like this woman, I'm sure had a lot of it had to be fueled by her media appearances and the feedback that she got from that. But a lot of it had to be fueled by her media appearances and the feedback that she got from that. But a lot of it had to be fueled by the Internet itself. Yeah, absolutely. Small town kids all over across America that get to listen to podcasts now and read blogs and get to watch documentaries on their computer and be turned on to something on Twitter where they never would have had. Oh, before they were so isolated and all they heard was the ideals that were shoved down their throats constantly.

Or they were so isolated and all they heard was the ideals that were shoved down their throats constantly. So I think that it's a great thing for just the evolution of the youth mind because they're going to be able to break away a lot earlier. Like when we came, I came up in a fucking Presbyterian family. My parents were religious and I didn't leave the faith and stop believing until I was 23 when I lost my mom. And I think that forced me to confront the idea of death. And I realized I wasn't afraid of it. And it sent me on this whole spiritual journey where I realized- How old are you now? I'm 32. So this is nine years ago. Yeah, nine years. This was nine years ago as of three days ago, September 7th, 2004.

And up until that point, I was blindly faithful. I just believed because that's what you do in Kansas. That's what you do. You go to church and you believe in Jesus and atheists are weird Satan worshipers. That's how I feel. Yeah. So then I lost my mother and I think what that forced me to do, and this is, we didn't have a whole lot of internet access for the information that we do now, but what it forced me to do was just confront the idea that religion exists solely predicated upon the idea that people are afraid of death and no longer existing.

And because we have no ability to explain what has happened up until this point. And, you know, history becomes very murky the further you go back. So... Fascinating. Yeah. Now, Presbyterian, what exactly does that... You know what? I don't know.

We have, in Kansas City, we have evangelists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Catholics. No Muslims. No Muslims. No Muslims, no Buddhists, none of that shit. All Jesus. Lots of Jesus. Huge churches. No Muslims, no Buddhists, none of that shit. That's dangerous. Lots of Jesus.

Huge churches, huge places for Jesus. I was Catholic until I was in first grade. So what happened in first grade? They cured me. They cured me of Catholicism. I went to first grade Catholic school, and it was just so crazy. I knew that it was all bullshit. I knew they were all out of their minds.

I didn't want to have anything to do with catholicism Before that my parents broke up when I was a little kid and I was very insecure when I was like five my parents broke up And uh, we were still living in new jersey at the time All of a sudden we were in an apartment. We weren't living with my dad anymore. My dad was really violent It was like there's a lot going on that was really bad And so I was really religious as a small boy I thought that god was going to take care of everything. And that would be the secret. God would take care of everything. And I don't know who else was telling me that probably my grandmother or something.

Well, I went to a Catholic school. Our Lady of Czestochowa was the name of the place. And it was so fucking nasty and joyless. And they were so evil that I knew it was bullshit. I knew it was all lies. I just, this woman who was the nun was such a fucking wretched cunt. She helped me so much and just giving me no way out of it. It was no way but to abandon it.

She was so nasty and shitty and I just got to see the machine underneath this, what she was promoting so did you become an atheist in first grade no I would never say I was an atheist I'm not an atheist today what I am I like the term agnostic yeah but what I what I am is a person who hasn't died yet right and I think anybody who hasn't died yet it's just talking shit about what comes now that's

a very very good way of looking at it. Especially if you've done mushrooms. If you've done psychedelics. I've done a lot of mushrooms. If you've done psychedelics, if you've done dimethyltryptamine especially. I have. I have definitely done dimethyltryptamine too, once. It gives me at least the idea, and I'm not saying that, here's an important point about psychedelics.

It's not necessarily real. Like what you're seeing when you're having a psychedelic experience, it doesn't mean you went to another dimension, even though it feels like another dimension. It doesn't mean you're talking to intelligent entities that give you the secret of life and the secret of happiness. It doesn't mean that. But whether or not you really are or are not traveling to other dimensions

when you're on psychedelics, the experience is exactly the same. So it really is as if, whether or not it's true, but it is as if you are traveling to another dimension and interacting with intelligent beings and intelligent beings that give you truth and honesty and see through all your bullshit and see through your behavior and can explain how to live this life in a happy way to you. And if you listen to them, it actually works. It doesn't mean it's not a figment of your imagination. It might be.

But the point is that even if it really is just your imagination, there's no difference in the actual experience itself than if it was really happening. I completely agree. The experience is the same. But do you think that because when people talk about, like, when I smoked DMT the one time that I did, and it was spellbinding, I mean, fucking, when you talk about going to another dimension, you really do.

And I don't think it's like a figment of your imagination. I just think you enter parts of your consciousness that you are unable to access unless you do hallucinogens. It's all speculation. I've come to the understanding that there's a lot of people that try to define psychedelic experiences. And they try to say, well, this is what's happening. And a lot of them are really intelligent people who are sort of skeptics. And they're kind of debunking the psychedelic experience. And I've come to

the realization that no one knows, no one knows, and no one will know it unless we have a much, much, much deeper understanding of the, the actual human mind and consciousness itself. When they start having the ability to transport consciousness into other external devices, like a, an artificial body or something like that, things that people like Ray Kurzweil believe we're going to be able to do someday, then maybe they'll have a deeper understanding of what exactly the psychedelic experience is. But until right now, what we know is there's some chemicals, they pass through the brain blood barrier, and then this really unpredictable pattern of images and experiences and feelings come up, and we don't really know what it is. but we do know

that those experiences also happen when you're about to die we know that those experiences happen in you know people that are going through near-death experiences right it's like sort of the same i've always wondered if that's what a near-death experience was is maybe the body thought it was going to shut down permanently and released all the dmt and then maybe revived so but you still get to experience that. It could be. I've always thought of that. What if you shoot yourself in the head?

If you shoot yourself in the head, is that like you don't get a chance to go to the next level? Because you just blast it all out of your head. Yeah. Or is it so good that it recognizes as the bullet hits your skull, it just bursts out? It's just like a blink. Yeah, that'd be fucking amazing. One thing I will say about psychedelic experiences, and I've heard you talk about this before, is invariably they always take me and guide me and hold me over any issues that I have in my life. And it's like a fucking giant magnifying glass. years ago and I had some, some issues going on with, I felt like I wasn't working hard enough and I wasn't treating some of my friends and contemporaries with enough respect. And I ate

mushrooms and within like 10 minutes, it was on an empty stomach. I was having terrible fucking panic attack. And you know, some people call it a bad trip, but I think it's actually a good experience because it was necessary and therapeutic for me. Invariably, this happens. And if I have no issues going on, I don't necessarily feel that way. So it's good for those things. I agree totally. That uncomfortable feeling is very important to me. It's terrible when it's actually happening, but it's such a growth experience when you go through it.

And when it's done, it's like getting off of a roller coaster. You just kind of feel euphoric and relaxed and and you come out with a different peace of mind Yeah, and and I've always I've any time I've ever done them I found any issues in my life that I had I could resolve in a healthier way or at least had a better Perspective on them. Yeah those uncomfortable moments. It's almost like, you know, you have a Subconscious and it just sort of gets filled. Your subconscious gets filled with this one bullshit thing that it's like, and then once you kill off the consciousness and enter into the psychedelic state, it's like, look, man, we got a backlog of bullshit that you've been saving up here in this warehouse. What do you want to do with it you're like oh i didn't know it was all there well i have a friend that was very heavily for seven eight years addicted to oxycontin and tried to kick 30 40 different times didn't work so he went down to saint kits and did ibogaine therapy and what i've heard about ibogaine in comparison to even dT or acid is it fucking digs, excavates everything

that you have from when you were a child, even everything that you have, the deepest, darkest shit that you have buried, covered in cobwebs, and it brings it all out and it resets your body. And people will come away, not only not addicted to painkillers, but he stopped smoking cigarettes, stopped drinking caffeinated beverages, stopped eating any artificial sweetener or corn syrup, and just experienced very terribly painful memories from his childhood. And it almost cleansed him out entirely. And that's what Ibogaine does is it essentially resets your entire existence on a physical mental and emotional level and so many people are you know Of course, it's illegal here. But so many people are being saved from

Opiates and other addictive substances with it. Yeah, it's really kind of stupid. It's not just kind of stupid It's an incredibly stupid that it's illegal and it's incredibly infantile this this country that we live in is really trapped stupid that it's illegal and it's incredibly infantile. This country that we live in is really trapped. We are absolutely trapped by money and we're trapped by influence of the people with money that want to continue making money. So they've stopped a bunch of things from being available and psychedelics being a big one because they're so consciousness changing and they can affect so much of the system, whether it be financial, whether it be political, governmental. When you incorporate something that can radically change consciousness almost instantly, like your friend immediately kicks cigarettes, kicks oxys, becomes this different person. Those type of radical shifts, you apply them to a population.

And the number one issue that you're going to have is you're not going to be able to lie to those people as easily anymore. Right. Absolutely. When people are lying to themselves, they're easy to lie to. And as soon as they're not lying to themselves anymore, they'll recognize when you're lying to them. I'm really good at spotting bullshit artists. And one of the reasons I'm really good at spotting bullshit artists is because I don't bullshit. I try to be very nice. I try to be as nice as I can, as much as I can.

I really do put a lot of effort into that, but I'm not hearing it if you're full of shit. You're not helping yourself. You're not helping me. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but I'm just saying that's nonsense. You know it's nonsense, and I know it's nonsense. Let's just stop right here.

That's probably why you like psychedelics, because they don't tolerate bullshit. There's no bullshit. No bullshit at all. There's no bullshit in a pot brownie, bro. Pot brownie is a psychedelic as they don't tolerate bullshit. There's no bullshit. No bullshit at all. There's no bullshit in a pot brownie, bro. Pot brownie is a psychedelic as far as I'm concerned. They are psychedelic. Dude, the first time I ever ate a pot brownie, it was one of those like ignorant experiences

where you eat one and you're like, you know, an hour goes by and you're just kind of like, eh, this is kind of mellow. So you eat another one. And then two, three hours later, your fucking eyes are dilating. I puked. I mean, you trip. Bottom line, you fucking trip. You trip.

It's a real psychoactive substance. We've talked about it ad nauseum on the show before. Sure, of course. But in the interest of people that have never heard it before, there's a chemical called 11-hydroxymetabolite. It's produced by your liver when you eat pot. It's five times more psychoactive than THC. It's a completely different experience, and it's not available to you psychoactively when you smoke

it so that's why like i've given brownies to people before and they go dude this was fucking laced man there's something else in here man no that is what it happens that's that is what happens when you get a hold of of an edible marijuana product my dad is 70 years old and hadn't smoked weed or, or anything since the sixties. And within the last three or four months, uh, my stepmom is having a lot of nerve pain in her back. And she asked,

they asked if I could acquire some marijuana for them. So I got him a little bit to smoke and they enjoyed it. And his friend that he plays acoustic guitar with, they smoked one night and to return the favor he gave my dad some cookies and my dad ate a cookie and my stepmom ate a cookie and it was the most fucking disastrous experience i mean phone call at two in the morning just like you need to come save us. Come take us to the hospital. I mean, it was awful.

And I was like, what did you do? We ate pot cookies. You're fine. Go to sleep. It'll eventually fade. Just go over there and give him a hug. Yeah. Where was he?

At home. Driving distance from you? Yeah, he's driving distance from me. Go give him a hug. Nah, he's all right. He's all right. That's when you break out the fake thing. Like, just drink a cup of milk, and within 30 minutes will be fine like if they almost trick right i have heard those before

like i've heard coffee that coffee is one of the best at uh killing pot brownie uh buzz i heard xanax i wouldn't fuck with that xanax that sounds like there's not enough literature. I don't think I would add that. Because I know that people have done MAO inhibitors, and they've taken them with ayahuasca to try to up the effects, or with mushrooms, or different things to try to up the effects. And it's disastrous. Like chemical, pharmaceutical, MAO inhibitors. Because ayahuasca is a combination of orally active DMT,

DMT which becomes orally active because of this thing called haramine, which is an MAO inhibitor. It's really an incredible chemical concoction that they figured out how to do in the Amazon, where they take the leaves of one plant and the vine of another, and they combine the two of them because monoamine oxidase which is mao kills dmt in the gut so when you eat it normally it gets squashed before it ever gets into your blood system but this stuff is an mao inhibitor so it inhibits it so when you eat it it yeah so people have tried to fuck around and go oh hey you know my mom's on mao inhibitors for x disease whatever

i'll just take those with it. And apparently it's like the worst experience you could ever have in your life. Like it erases your memory of how to, like, move your toes and shit like that. Like it can really fuck with you. So I wouldn't fuck with Xanax and pot brownies unless you really know what you're doing. I wouldn't fuck with Xanax in general. That is a severely dangerous drug. I mean, there is, you know, anything that will kill you if you withdraw from it.

I mean, it, you know. My wife has a friend that's very religious and very anti-drug. Would not do drugs. Christian scientists. We don't even drink, Mormon. We don't even drink and take Xanax every night. What? Exactly. and drink and take Xanax every night exactly like my wife will be having conversations with her and bitch just drift off and I like blah blah talk and

there's this and she's like hello are you there like what's going on over there oh no nothing just what they prescribe to people that have a fear of flying? Yes. My sister takes it before flying. Yeah, well, Dom Herrera takes it every day. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Dom has a Xanax issue. He takes it every day.

Like recreationally or a little bit of both? I'm sure he's got some sort of a prescription, but he likes to booze with it too. That shit is, you know, that's even more dangerous than, like, opiates or meth, because if you quit those two abruptly, any benzo, I think it's benzodiazepine, is that how you say it? Yeah. Xanax, Klonopin, shit like that. If you quit those two abruptly, your body will shut down. Yeah, what the fuck, man? And they're everywhere.

Yeah, and they're, like like one of the most prescribed drugs yeah all the popular drugs you know adderall oxy xanax these are these are the things they're the absolute worst for you but they're the most popular yeah those are the ones those that bring in all the money and that's why ibogaine is illegal because if people start taking ibogaine they're going to stop taking all those other drugs. Well, it's also because they don't even want to open up the dialogue for Schedule I substances. Any of these drugs that were made illegal during the sweeping psychedelic legislative acts of 1970, that's when the psychedelic drug laws were passed. They were just trying to stop the hippie movement.

They were trying to squash everything. So they made everything illegal. A lot of people don't realize that before 1970, acid was legal. Mushrooms were legal. You could get a hold of these things. Before 1970? 1970. Wow.

Yeah, let's pull it up. Psychedelic Drug Act of 1970. Psychedelic Drug Act. That'd be so awesome if it was legal. Well, it would change the world, and it did change the world. And there's a reason why if you go and listen to Buddy Holly, and then you listen to Jimi Hendrix, you're only dealing with a 10-year difference,

and it might as well be a billion. I mean, listen to Voodoo Child, and listen to Love, Love Me Do, and realize that you're dealing with just a few not love love me do isn't a great song but the early beatles stuff it's like so simplistic it's so different you know and then listen to the white album you know listen to some of the shit that they did once they were obviously tripping you know yeah even through, no. Just came in through the bathroom window. I mean, they had some just really varying, strange tunes. They developed this different sort of sound. And I think it changed pop culture.

It changed human beings. We went from this Father Knows Best society to, you know, to the Freak Brothers. I mean, it really, like, it opened up all these weird doors that they were absolutely terrified of. Yeah, classically, substances like that make better music and then in certain cases when artists sober up their music always Suffers in a prime example I'm not trying to shit on him

but Eminem used to be on a lot of like drugs and mushrooms and made like some amazing shit and then he Sobered up and he started becoming like a fucking long-d distance runner or something and now it's just like sterile i'm sorry have you heard his new song yeah he phoned phoned that one in i think there's an issue um with human beings uh where there's a wild recklessness that enables a certain amount of creativity to to happen and then you also get a bunch of success and then you you lock yourself in and you separate yourself from society and you become more disconnected and then you sort of like hide from people even more and then you're the extent of your social experiences shifts things become very different like it happens with a lot of rich comics their social experiences shift and then

they take less chances and you know something that you really have to fight off. Yeah, they become much more comfortable and surround themselves with people that are going to validate maybe shittier, not fleshed-out material. Yeah, where was this, Brian? I saw this on the board. Oh, yeah, this is the other. What was he doing?

Was this like two nights ago? Was he bored? Yeah, he was trolling. I think he's, yeah, that's what I've heard. He just was making faces the whole time. That seems like something I would do. Yeah, he was trolling. I think he's, yeah, that's what I've heard. He just was, like, making faces the whole time. That seems like something I would do. Yeah, it does. You know, when we announced on the UFC,

they announced once that Ronda Rousey and Misha Tate were going to be the coaches. It was Kat Zingano originally, but she got injured. And, like, they announced it on TV tv and i was making all these crazy faces and so many people thought it was i was being disrespectful that i didn't i mean they just decided to put it into that frame and decided that what i was like i was like what women what do you like like that that was my point of view which wasn't at all it was women and men together first of all it was like whoa ronda rousey is gonna host and then it was like wait a minute women and men are gonna be in the house together that's fucking crazy yeah like that was what i was saying but people just decide that you know

a facial expression is you know you make the best facial expressions i told somebody online that if they somebody took off your last tv show they just took took all the times you made those crazy eyes and stuff, if they edited it all into one video of just you making eyes, it would be the coolest video in the world. Those people that believed in the things that I was mocking got so mad at me for facial expressions. What were you mocking? Everything.

That's the problem with doing that show. I really enjoyed doing that show, and sci-fi was really awesome to work with. They're great people, and I really like those guys. But the real problem with doing that show is it's, unless you're talking about a real subject like transhumanism, like the idea of technology replacing human bodies and things along those lines, or infectious diseases, something that was real that we actually could study,

then you're talking to the same type of people, these really nutty white guys who believe in a bunch of nutty shit that is probably pretty easily disproven right if it if it's not easily disproven it's at the very least marginalized fairly quickly like there's things that cannot be disproven like alien life which i believe in of course yeah i mean i think you kind of be stupid not only do i believe in it just because a lot lot of people think that I didn't believe in it from doing that show. They were like, you know, oh, you know, you fucking,

you think you're above it. You don't even believe in aliens. You know how stupid that is. Like, that's not true at all. I absolutely believe that there could be alien life out there. I absolutely believe it's most likely alien life. In fact, Neil deGrasse Tyson,

when he was explaining infinity, and this was such a mind fuck, but he said, infinity is so enormous that not only has everything on earth in its exact order has happened on another planet somewhere else in the universe, but it's happened an infinite number of times in the exact order. That's how big infinity is. Then infinity literally literally has no end so if it can happen here and if this these words these stumbles these ums these you uh these have taken place in the exact same order the exact same movements of my hand there's been an incarnation of this podcast

in this con right now i'm touching right here i'm touching my fingernails together for no reason whatsoever i've done that somewhere else in the universe at the exact same time in that exact same order. Yeah, that's how big infinity is. It's so big that eventually it overlaps and it happens again. The exact pattern of what's happening now. Not only that, it happens an infinite number of times. That's fucking crazy. Yeah.

Because I've heard that podcast. The one that I thought was nuts was when he talks about if you go through a black hole and then you watch the fucking universe slowly. That one's a little crazier. Yeah. All of it's crazy. Well, the thing that these quantum guys are saying now is that inside every black hole is potentially a whole other universe. And that what a black hole may be is a doorway to another universe. And these other universes might have completely different laws of physics.

And they might be exactly the same it might just be a fractal thing where inside every black hole is another universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies and inside each one of them is another black hole they found out like i think it was the beginning of the 21st century or close to it they found out that inside every um when you look at a galaxy the center of every galaxy has a supermassive black hole that's like, I think it's one half of 1% of the entire mass of the galaxy.

So the bigger the galaxy, the bigger the black hole. They exist in every single galaxy. And they're like, well, this is madness. Like, we didn't even know this before. And now we have to figure out why it's there.

And so the most recent theory, and they back it up with that crazy goodwill hunting math where they have a chalkboard and all that. Yeah, right. Right. And ends with fucking pinatas on the top of them you're like i don't even know what the fuck you're drawing but they say that that's what their calculations have uh have sort of revealed is that most likely every galaxy has a gateway to another universe inside of it now come

on man everybody knows that the earth is only 7 000 years old of course that's that's what you're you're growing up around right a hundred percent and i'm talking like family members and i have had this discussion where they say you know no it's about seven six thousand nine hundred something years old humans are fucking older than that but that's what they believe they believe it's called young earth young earth christians they believe in a young earth yeah unbelievable right absolutely what the fuck man did you moronic man there's um there's there's this a recent discovery that they just found um uh i want to say somewhere in south america they're like drilling for i put it on my twitter i'll try to see if i can find it real quick but they found these armadillos that are the size of cars. They found these things

that were living like just, you know, just a few, you know, a few thousand years ago, 14, 20,000 years ago, plus they found all this crazy shit that they didn't even know existed, all these fossils. And this is just one exploratory drilling where they were trying to get to uh to find out if there's like oil or something somewhere and they're like holy shit i think a lot more of that is going to happen i mean what course three days ago like you were saying the biggest volcano in the solar system was discovered so you have to wonder what else is going to be found yeah we said it was not as big as the one on Mars, but like super big, like really close. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. So imagine knowing all this and having the will to have this type of infinite imagination for what the universe is and then being told that Earth is 7,000 years old to get your clothes on because we're going to Sunday school. I mean, that's what it's like living there. Yeah, and the thing is that all those people, those all people, those, they can be cured too.

All those, if you separated them all and got them all, here it is, Venezuela's Jurassic Park. If you took all those people and gave them psychedelic experiences and brought them around people that they trusted that were, you know, that had been experienced and removed from it and someone who could tell them, listen, man, you've fallen into a bad pattern. You're wrong. You're wrong. God doesn't hate fags. There's no such thing as a fag.

It's like there's gay people, there's straight people, there's humans, and everybody has a different... There's a reason why your hair is red and this guy's hair is black. It's just genetics. It's a roll of the dice. Sometimes they turn out gay. There's nothing wrong with it. Right. Like, what? What? is red and this guy's hair is black it's just genetics it's a roll of the dice sometimes they turn out gay there's nothing wrong with it right like what what the earth is apparently four point

whatever billion years old you're wrong about that it's been around forever and we've been here for i think one 18,000th of a percentage for as long as earth has been around human beings have existed that's how fucking short we've been here yeah we're when you ever see those science shows well they show you the history of the earth oh my god and then we're like right here and then there's all you know the triassic area and all these other eras i mean we're we're like like a few thousand years but we're changing everything in that small amount of time seven thousand years seven thousand years man yeah it's it's it's nuts seven thousand years of what human civilization that's what they think they think that you know a talking snake in a fucking tree 7,000 years, man. Yeah, it's nuts. 7,000 years of what? Human civilization? That's what they think.

They think that, you know, a talking snake in a fucking tree and a woman and a man who ate an apple and then there was, you know, the best part about the Bible, I'm not sure how many times you've read it, but we have Adam and Eve

and Cain and Abel and then it jumps like a couple hundred years, and it never explains all the fucking incest that had to have happened in order to get to that point. Because if you start with two people who have children, I mean, how else are they going to breed humans? Yeah, I used to have a whole bit about Adam and Eve.

Did you? Yeah. The idea is just pretty silly. Yeah, and I think that having a son in February is what has made me go, okay, maybe we should get out of here. Because I went through it, and I know how it affected me, but I'm not sure if I want him to be exposed to some of the shit that I was exposed to. Yeah, that's the process of becoming a parent.

You want to start nerfing the world, protecting your kids from things that made you awesome. GTFO, man. parent you want to start nerfing the world protecting your kids from things that made you awesome tfo man yeah um brian pull pull this up because there's a bunch of crazy um photographs says out of the oil emerges venezuela's jurassic park yeah yeah that's it i mean this is a really small sample that these guys pulled up these paleontologists have found treasures rivaling the bountiful oil, a giant armadillo the size of a Volkswagen, a crocodile bigger than a bus, and a saber-toothed tiger. Oil companies' surveys of the soil have uncovered a trove of fossils dating from 14,000 to 370 million years ago.

Many of the 12,000 recorded specimens from the different areas are now kept in a tiny office of Office of the Venezuelan Institute for scientific research. This is incredible a Strong smell of what look at that guy holding that fucking skull This is amazing a strong smell of oil fills the room as this guy opens a drawer of a filing cabinet to reveal the tar-stained femur of a giant six-ton mastodon from 25,000 years ago. I got one tattooed on my hand. How big is six tons? That's 18,000. 18? 12. No, 12,000 pounds.

Yeah, a ton is 2,000 pounds. 12,000 pound animal? Oh my god, how big is that? How big is a 12,000? a ton is 2,000 pounds. Yeah to a 12,000 pound animal. Oh my god. How big is that? How big is a 12 that how makes a regular regular elephant? How many tons is a couple? I don't know maybe more than that right you think big a big-ass elephant I don't know. She probably looked that up But this is pretty incredible stuff because this is not like they went digging looking for fossils They're looking for oil and they're finding this shit It's amazing. they went digging looking for fossils. They're looking for oil. And they're finding this shit. It's amazing.

Really, really, really, really amazing. Okay. What's also lacking is reliable indication that man hunted the megafauna that we're finding. And lacking also are human fossils, which is really interesting. It's about twice the size, by the way. That mastodon is about twice the size of a big African elephant. God damn. Yeah, they're about six tons.

So like a king fucking African elephant is six tons. And they were just walking around. They were just wandering around. Well, you know, then you think about like Megasaurus, or how many fucking tons did those weigh? You know Megasaurus? what's a megasaurus the megasaurus is like the giant fucking version of a tyrannosaurus hold on i'm going to tell you how much these weigh jesus a giant tyrannosaurus well yeah but they were like way bigger hold on i'm going to tell you i think they believe that what was going on

was that at one point in time the the earth had a different oxygen level than it has today like during the Jurassic period before the meteor impact there was a much richer dense environment and I think it made it easier for animals to grow big and also easier for them to move around that makes sense that's a mega source I don't think that's it. That's it. No, here. Megasaurus.

Is that a new one? He eats through cars. Megalosaurus, sorry. Megalosaurus. Yeah. You know, another weird thing about dinosaurs, man, is that we only find what made a fossil. When you really stop and think about how difficult it is to actually make a fossil,

especially in an area where something is eating everything. I mean, if you're living in the ancient dinosaur days, how long did a body sit around before somebody fucking chewed it down? Oh, fuck yeah. And shit it out. Like, you have to die in a mudslide in order to be preserved. Like, everything just got eaten. Those cunty dinosaurs.

I mean, nature is so good at like figuring out how to get rid of bodies. Have you ever seen those videos of what happens when an elephant dies in Africa? No. It's incredible. It's incredible how quick, if there's, they have time-lapse videos of hyenas eating an elephant and how quick it just becomes nothing. It's like a couple of days, a huge ass elephant. Okay. Here you go. The biggest. This is a Argentinosaurus. Now, this is the biggest dinosaur ever. Biggest documented dinosaur ever. 120 feet from head to tail.

Wow. And weighed 100 tons. Jesus Christ. 100 fucking tons. God damn. That's insane. Just one vertebrae of an Argentinosaurus is over four feet thick. Can you imagine the poos?

One vertebrae is four feet thick. Four feet thick. That's this wide. That's a vertebrae. Yeah. Four feet thick, a vertebrae. Holy shit. It's amazing that those things were around

for hundreds of millions of years too that's what's the most amazing thing is we think of earth and we think of us we can't even imagine an earth without us yeah no earth is like we just got here yeah

just got here I'm gonna pull up time lapse videos look at that fucking thing man Yeah. Just got here. I'm going to pull up time-lapse videos. Look at that fucking thing, man. Oh, my God. Is that one of the... Yeah, there's a... Silence. Silence, because even though this is an audio podcast,

we're staring at dinosaur pictures. By the way, we're 12. What did you say, you're 32? I'm 46. We're little children. We're staring at dinosaur pictures. By the way, we're 12. What did you say? You're 32? I'm 46. We're little children. We're grown-up little children. Pull up time-lapse video Elephant Devoured in Seconds. High-powered, high-speed time-lapse

shows seven days of animals feeding on an elephant carcass. It's fucking crazy. In seven days, it's gone. And that's an elephant. And that's Africa. That's not even dinosaurs you know dinosaurs compare a hyena to a dinosaur i mean shit t-rex they believe was most likely actually a scavenger yeah i've heard that i've heard that t-rex was a scavenger they don't know that though for a fact they're still trying to figure it out because they also have to take

into consideration the fact that the bodies could move differently then because the oxygen level was different. The problem they have with it is they look at the body of that thing and they go, how fucking big is that? They're also trying to figure out how it walked because there's other speculations that they would walk through rivers and they would use the tail to balance their heads were fucking their heads were fucking huge so they would walk through rivers and then they would go to the land and scavenge did you pull up that video yeah look how quick these things look at that's a leopard leopard jack this is over this is over seven days leopard right Jaguars South American yeah it's African aren't Jaguars black too I think some of too? I think some of them are. I think some of them are actually, they have spots.

Oh my God. Jesus Christ. That's a hyena. Yeah, that's a hyena. Hyenas go to war, dude. Hyenas are monsters. They're scary fucking animals. Have you seen the video of the fucking pack of hyenas fighting the lions? Oh yeah.

And the one where the hyena starts like barking and... Stop, Brian. The whole gang shows up. There's a hyena that's getting bested by a couple of lions. Yes. So you've seen that. The male lion shows up. Yeah.

The giant one who kills hyenas. Well, then the fucking hyena goes and starts barking, and like 40 hyenas come from the mountains, and then they go and fuck these lions up. Fascinating, man. They fuck up the female lions, and there's this one male lion that's enormous that they have like a nickname for him. You know, he who comes with thunder or some crazy shit like that. And he comes in and just fucks up all these hyenas and kills

them and snaps their backs and shit. Have you ever seen the video of the, uh, the, this is one of my favorite YouTube. I'm sure you've seen this, but it's the, the bees that get addicted to alcohol. Yeah. And then the, the, the worker bees will rip their legs off so they can no longer be a part of the hive. Yeah. How nuts is that? Yeah, very nuts. Fuck the wild.

That's all I have to say. Fuck all that shit. Pull up Lions vs. Hyenas. It's the very first video. This is a confrontation between two eternal Africanrican enemies see when i was a kid i used to think hyenas were like nice like dogs like you could go up and pet them they're so evil there's a story of a woman who was um she was a trainer she would train hyenas and uh one day she got a limp she like twisted her ankle and these hyenas that had been listening to her and following her directions couldn't resist and just dove on her

and grabbed a hold of her calf and clamped down on her. Took a chunk off of her. If they see you're limping, they literally can't help themselves. They can't help it. That's what their instincts are for. They're the cleanup crew. This isn't a good video. This isn't the one we wanted. This is one um that has uh the the actual confrontation yeah lions versus hyenas a terrible fight that's it yeah that's it yeah they uh that's a hard world man it's a hard fucking scrabble world living out there with lions and hyenas but my point being is that we we're not really totally sure of how many different animals were alive.

We only have what got trapped in mud. We have a good amount of those over the course of hundreds of millions of years of dinosaurs. But it's very possible that a few slipped through and just were eaten. The craziest thing to think is that 99% of all documented animals are extinct yeah and history that's incredible It isn't or that up to a hundred different species alone go extinct per day in the rainforest Because there's so many different pods of the rainforest where just an isolated species could be living like a mutant Grasshopper or something and they go extinct every single day. Yeah when they find something like this this Crazy Venezuelan Jurassic Park type thing and they find all these new animals

It's like you really have to wonder how many of these have not been found I mean how many yeah, they found that hobbit guy just a few years ago. Yeah in their early 2000s I believe it what is that Lucy? Is that what that was? No, no, no, no. Lucy was an ancient, an actual ancient hominid that was like the ancestor to man. This is a completely

different branch of the primate tree. This is like these humanoids, these little hobbit things. They live on this place called the Island of Flores. And as recently

as 14,000 years ago, these motherfuckers existed. They were three foot tall, tiny people. They used stone tools. They had like little tiny brains and little tiny bodies. But they looked fairly human-like. Yeah, they were like little hobbit people. And they were a real animal that lived alongside human beings through most of our history.

Jesus Christ. They might even still be alive. That's what's interesting. Well, see, you know, I don't know, it was 10 years ago maybe, or maybe not even that long, where the helicopter over the Amazon found that small tribe of people that had...

Turned out to be a hoax. That was a hoax? Yeah, the one they're painted red. You're fucking with me. That was a hoax? No, no, yeah, it was a hoax. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's terrible.

I love that. I loved that. I loved that story, too. story too yeah me too where they were like holding the they were gonna trying to shoot their arrows at the helicopter that was at universal studios oh jesus no it wasn't at universal studios but it was a hoax i don't know why they hoaxed it why i don't know that sucks let's find out amazon uh natives hoax. I didn't realize that was a hoax. This might be the most Googled show ever. I can't believe that. I don't know. Fukushima and what is it?

Fuka and Amazon hoax? Yeah, there's a lot of shit you don't know, son. Damn, man. Get on that. Fake uncontacted Amazon tribe is a hoax. Turns out it's not entirely true. The photographer that took the picture, Jose Carlos, has admitted that the tribe has in fact

been known about since 1910. He created the hoax in order to call attention to the dangers of the logging industry. Okay. Okay, but still. Okay, so let's say that it is true that they've only been known about since 1910. They're still real.

And that still means that there's certain things that we probably have no idea are alive right now. I mean, even other forms of, you know, smaller forms of humans or people that are further back in the evolutionary tree. Yeah.

You know, I mean, there could be a small island with those little fucking hobbit people, like you were saying. Well, that's what they're saying is that this Homo floriensis, that's the actual animal, the actual human being that existed.

It was three feet tall, and they lived off the island of Flores in Indonesia. Well, there's an animal that, or a thing that they call the Orang Pendek that these locals have been describing for decades. And it's exactly like this hobbit thing. And it's exactly like this Hobbit thing. Little three foot tall human being that until when they discovered this, I think they discovered it in like, I want to say like 2003 or something. Two studies. Okay, 2005 and 2007. So it's really fucking recent.

And up until then, they thought this Orang Pendek was just bullshit but the orang pendek now they think might be this homo floriensis that's living in very small isolated numbers and hiding from people because if it's if it's smart enough to be using tools and you're dealing with the jungle this thing might actually be still alive any relation to bigfoot yes it's his cousin this is his really sad cousin because Bigfoot can play basketball and all he can do is be a jockey. It's, yeah, actually, okay, Sumatra is where they find it. I don't think it's, I think it's very possible this thing is real. The animal has allegedly been seen and documented for at least 100 years by forest tribes, local villagers, Dutch colonists, and Western scientists and travelers.

Consensus among witnesses is that the animal is a ground-dwelling bipedal primate that is covered in short fur and stands between 30 and 60 inches tall. It's basically the same size. Orang Pendek is what it's called. It's basically the same size. Orang Pendek is what it's called. I mean, knowing that this animal used to be real as recently as 14,000 years ago and lived alongside human beings really makes me wonder. It's kind of fascinating. And again, look. It's completely fascinating.

2005. That's a blink ago. That's even, that's, you know, so recent. There's so much shit we don't know about what was here. It's kind of weird when you stop and think about it. You live your life and you're just kind of going on momentum, going to school, graduating, having a family, doing your thing. And then all around you is this world that has sort of been established

and you have this idea of what it is. And, oh, you know, there used to be the pilgrims, and they came here, and this. When you really start getting the big picture of how recently we got here, how much change has taken place, how 200, 300 years ago, there was fucking nobody here.

Yeah, nobody. No cities, no nothing. And then you realize 200 years ago was just two lifetimes in a row. Two lifetimes in a row ago, there's fucking slavery, there's people riding around on wagon trains and shit 200 years before that nothing so in four lifetimes zero american indians they didn't even have horses back then yeah a lot of the american indians before the europeans came they were fucking just

complete like nomadic tribal people bows and arrows wandering around persistent hunting sometimes it's madness and and what's even more maddening is thinking about a lifetime from now what's gonna happen i mean it's it's fucking skynet man total recall like that's where it's going i feel it coming sometimes yeah so do i i feel it coming when I get high. I know that sounds so stupid. But no. But I'm serious. There's a feeling I get sometimes. I'm going to try to say this in a way that's going to make as much sense as possible.

But there's a feeling I get sometimes when I get really high and I start contemplating things, especially if I get in a tank. I get this feeling like something's coming. I get this feeling like as's coming. I get this feeling like we're going like as a society as a culture we're going to be overwhelmed by a new version of what we're experiencing now. A new version of technology that's shaping our lives right now but a version that's so immersive and so that it drags us into it and makes us become a part of it so deeply that we may never have a life like this again and sometimes I really like take into account the life that we may never have a life like this again. And sometimes I really like take into

account the life that we do live, that you can just shut off your phone, that you can just get in your car, turn the radio off and just hear the engine as you drive up Mulholland and do whatever the fuck. That might be gone. There might be a time where Mac lethal can never disappear, that you will always be tracked. I mean, you you will always someone will always know where you are you will always be in touch you will always be connected you'll be always on you know that is 100 it's coming yeah that's coming that freaks me out man that freaks me out yeah that's um but i think it's inevitable but it still freaks me out i mean no i mean i think i think we're closer to it than probably most people do i mean, I think they could probably do that. We could probably do some variation of that now

Well, I think you and I may be a little more in tune to it because we spent so much time so much time using the Internet Yeah, both benefited from it Being shocked by it But seeing you just the experiences the amount of shit that you interact with because the internet is so different than our parents It's it's so hard they had no access to we have access to everything at the snap of a finger and There's this perception that the world has gotten worse and is a darker more Exploitative place and I don't necessarily believe that's true I just believe that we're exposed to every facet, every artery of the world now. And we just

now see how sick of a place it is. And it's, it's made us hyper connected to everything that's always happened here. And when our parents were here and before the internet, they didn't have that type of access. They lived in more of a Pleasantville type of bubble. And it's, it's, it's terrifying and fascinating equally. Well, I have a love-hate relationship with what's going on right now with our culture as far as the influence of very aggressive progressive people, whether it is feminists, like radical feminism, or whether it's veganism. I'll make fun of that stuff a lot, but there's a part of me that recognizes

that what we're seeing, whether it's radical feminism or fighting against transphobia or fighting against homophobia or any of these things, what we're seeing is a culture that's become aware of the imbalances in a way that's never been possible before. There's a level of

communication that's never been possible before. Massive communities of online people who are, whether they're progressive or feminist or, you know, anti-transphobic or transgender supportive, they've formed like these aggressive communities that sometimes are a bit misguided in their approach for attacking people for beliefs that they believe whether it's humor or whatever they feel like doesn't like i've read this blog where this one person was like um attacking all transphobic humor online and then i'm and part of me was like okay i see what she's doing or you know she's trying to um expose what she feels is gross behavior but she's exposing it and she is saying humor and she's saying that it's lazy and it's this and that and that's when i gotta go okay look everybody's funny you know i'm funny i my head i don't have

any hair on it i used to i shaved it i have a scar in the back of my head for where i had a hair transplant operation where they take the hair and they put it. It's stupid. Wait, wait, wait. What? I had a hair transplant. You had a hair transplant? Yeah, like in the 90s.

So where they take and then they- They take a slice out of the back of your head, like a piece of meat, and then they take the hairs and they just put them in there one at a time. Yeah, they do like individual plugs. It's ridiculous. So wait, wait, wait, wait. What? How did that work? It doesn't.

It doesn't work very well. I mean, it works a little. I had hair, obviously, but it was starting to fall out still, like the other hair was starting to fall out. Really?

Now I'm left with these, what I described it as like taking a bunch of healthy people, move them to a neighborhood where everyone's dying. Stupid idea. So it's, they eventually die too.

No, no, no, they don't die. They stay permanently because the hair's from the back of your head. The hairs from the back of your head are genetically programmed to stay. Right. That's why when dudes go bald, they still't die. They stay permanently because they're the hairs from the back of your head. The hairs from the back of your head are genetically programmed to stay. Right.

That's why when dudes go bald, they still have that weird thing at the back of their head. And that's where the logic comes from, where they can move that hair. Yeah. But why doesn't it? I don't understand why it doesn't work. It does work. It just doesn't work good enough. It's not good enough.

The rest of the hair wants to fall out. So I was using Rogaine for that. And I was using Propecia before, but Propecia and i was using propicia before but propicia killed my dicker really killed my dicker son yeah it didn't kill my dicky but it didn't make my dickies happy did you ever try nioxin this is what i have yeah that's it it works kind of it puts little i i found that nioxin because i have male pattern baldness too i just wear a hat and grow it out back here so it looks like i'm sex i'm full of shit but shit. It gave me little baby hairs. It thickened it a little bit, but they weren't real hairs.

If it's going, it's going. If it's going, it's going. It's out of here. You can do some stuff to keep it on, but man, it's tough action. I always tell people that the back of my head is a public service announcement. If you could look at my scar, and you could go, do you want one of those stupid things?

That there is to remind you, don't do what I did. And I'm happy like this. I like having a shaved head. It's very liberating to me. Yeah, I know. It's nice. Is it true that Anderson Silva's hair will not grow or is that him trolling? Did he really burn all his hair off of his head with a hair product when he was 20 years old?

I have no idea. I've never even heard that before. No, he says he doesn't shave his head. He says he burnt all his hair off Oh, he might be trolling he trolls a lot. No, he trolls a lot with he said, you know He is step Steven Seagal in his camp. Now. He's gonna bring in Chuck Norris I saw that not that Chuck Norris isn't a excellent martial artist and was a legit world champion And if I was gonna take martial arts instruction from people I fucking for sure would take martial arts instruction from Chuck Norris. Didn't he train with Jean-Jacques Machado?

Oh, yeah. He's a black belt under Jean-Jacques. Oh, he's a badass then. Yeah. That's my lineage. What do you think about Weidman Silva, too? I don't know. My point, what I was getting at before that, we got really sidetracked.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. But I would be happy to talk to my man with you. My point is I make fun of myself. You know, I make fun of everybody. And if you're going to call someone transphobic because they make fun of certain trannies, there's a fucking guy who's 50 years old, is 6'5", who's playing women's college basketball. If you don't make fun of that, you're an asshole. And if he doesn't realize that he looks ridiculous being a 6'5", 50-year-old man competing with 18-year-old girls

and pretending he's a girl, or being a female now, I understand that. But the fact that you get a reset, he did all his college credits, he played all his college sports's a girl. Or, you know, being a female now, I understand that, but the fact that you get a reset, he did all his college credits, he played all his college sports as a male, but then when you change gender, you get a reset, and you're allowed to go in with zero. That's overly progressive.

It's overly progressive. And my opinions on, there's a woman that has been competing as an MMA fighter. Fountain Fox. Lived as a man for 30 years. No, it's bullshit. It's total bullshit.

Yeah, because his, it's body is, fuck Lived as a man for 30 years. It's bullshit. It's total bullshit. Yeah, because his, it's body is, fuck, it's a man's body. Well, not only that, there's changes, there's absolute changes that take place, but the science

that everyone's like trying to quote, like the really super progressive people are like, you know, there's good science to support that, you know, you really

become a woman, you lose your bone density. No, there's not. There's not. Not only that, there's the amount of science that you are getting is all coming from either transgender doctors or people who are involved in the transgender procedure or monitoring what happens to a person. There's never been a documented study of taking a male athlete that's been a male for 30 plus

years, comparing the skills that they learned as a male by the way with completely different muscle structure completely different bone structure the mechanical frame is different the shape of the torso is different the wideness of the shoulders the size of the hands the hips and the reaction time the big one is the reaction time and this one that i don't hear people quoting there's been a 10%, it's studied, studied 10% variation between men and females. Men have a 10% quicker reaction time. Crazy. When it comes to striking, that is a big deal. That is a gigantic deal. That might be the difference between Roy Jones Jr. being the top of the world and Roy Jones Jr. getting knocked down. Sure. Yeah. 10% is big. And you know, and, but in

talking about this, I became transphobic to a lot of these super ultra progressive people. And that's why I say that I have this love-hate relationship with this idea. Because I think the love is I am all for everyone being able to be themselves. I'm all for you being whatever you want to be, whether it's transgender or gay or, you know, cross-dressing. And I have a friend who works with a cross-dresser, and he's not gay, but he at work is a woman, and when he goes home, he changes, and he goes home, and he becomes a man again, and he has a family and everything. He doesn't want to have a sex change operation, but he wants to wear women's clothes at work, and he wants to be referred to

as a woman. They work for a big big company and it's a gigantic corporation they allow it it's a very progressive company and i think that's badass who gives a shit if a guy wants to wear a dress you know i want to wear a purse i wish i could wear a fucking purse but you know i get mocked i think um i i think the the love hate relationship that i'm talking about is that people are realizing that they do have a say because of this new electronic media, because of the fact that you can post a blog that, you know, starts a debate and exposes people to these ideas. Like, here's one of them that's been coming up a lot recently, and it's that having sex with a drunk person is rape. And it's, it's, it's, they're, I mean,

they're, if you're sober. Guilt is charged. Not necessarily. So if you're drunk and another person's drunk, so which one is guilty then? Both.

So you're, it's, you're raping each other. Double rape. Oh my God. Listen, I'm not joking around, man.

It's, it's an inch, but here's what I love about it. Okay. What I love about it is, I don't necessarily agree with it. There's a man named Michael Shermer. Michael Shermer is a very famous skeptic.

And he's being charged by this other guy who's this radical male feminist. He's being charged with rape in his blog. He says that he has taken advantage. And the language is very strange that this guy uses to describe the situation, where he says, and he wasn't even told to him, it was told to someone else and then told to him, so it's all very sketch, but the language is that Michael Shermer got her into a position where she was unable to consent and then had sex with her. I don't know exactly what that means.

What they're implying by all the other corroborating stories is that he likes to get women drunk and there was another woman who said that she met him at a party and he kept her wine glass full and she got drunker than she ever used to and she was really embarrassed by that and somehow or another she blames him

for the fact that she got drunk but they're trying to isolate a pattern that this guy does which is apparently get women drunk and have sex with them and my point is first of all there's a broad spectrum of what is drunk and if you say that having sex with anyone who's drunk is rape what if they have one drink and they're kind of tipsy and they get horny and they love you and they're attracted to you is that still rape like that's

bananas yeah if it's two drinks what okay if it's six shots and a beer and you're fucking 100 pounds yes i would say that's rape like you if you're sober and that person's fucked up and you go hey don't worry about it just lie down here whoa why are your pants coming off hey why is my dick in your mouth still consider that that's rape yeah you're if you're sober and you're taking advantage of someone who's unconscious, that's fucking Well, yeah. No, that's right. If they're unconscious.

Yeah. They're lying on the bed blacking out and you're taking their pants off. I think that's rape. But I think it's hard to quantify, you know, if they have six shots in a beer, if they have an alcohol tolerance that's through the roof. I mean, how do you discern between what their alcohol tolerance is and how much they can handle in this state? It's a good point.

It's a good point. The idea is that at a certain point, you're impaired. You're impaired, period. And for you to take advantage of that person in that state that's akin to rape. And what is interesting about this is even though I don't agree

with the blanket statement, is that they've forced the debate debate now and they've forced this really age-old problem of creepy dudes getting women drugged and then having sex with them which is fucking rape sure how many people have you talked to that are female that think their drink got mickeyed i've i've been a part of it i've seen it happen to a date i i took a girl out we were it was one of my shows one of my old shows when i was about 22 years old, a girl that I was with, um, uh, a guy approached her and gave her a drink and she was talking to him and she, she ended up on her ass. I mean, couldn't think, couldn't see straight, couldn't stand up straight. And it drove me. And I had no

idea what was going on with her, but within like a matter of 15 minutes completely fucking inebriated unable to uh speak had to carry her home woke up the next day had no idea what happened she got fucking roofied yeah yeah it fucking roofied it does and it happens all the time terrifying it's not just roofies it's ghb they slip ghb into people's drinks and it conks them out it happens all the time all over the world and it's sort of a thing that we know about but isn't discussed that often and i what i like about what these radical feminists have done is they've opened up this conversation sure now people are talking about it and they're debating it whether or not it's true well what is that rape that's rape no it's not rape and in that argument they force

the dialogue which i think is brilliant and it's a legit dialogue and it's an important subject because there are people that do drug people and take advantage of people but to call any time a two consenting adults have a few drinks together and then have sex to call that rape i think is fucking crazy i mean like my wife and i will get a little tipsy together. Am I raping my wife? Dude, this woman on Twitter literally had a campaign and a blog post about it saying that people are sad on Twitter when they found out

that they're rapists because they disagreed with her. This blanket statement of any time, like, even if it's your spouse, why do that if they can't consent? And what she's saying is if you're drunk, you can't consent. It's a fascinating argument. I don't agree with it, but it's fascinating that it's made people angry. It started this debate. It's got people talking and that puts the energy on

this very real issue. But another guy had an incredible point. How could it possibly be that that's the only time where you're not responsible for your actions is sex? If I get you drunk and then you decide to get in a car and drive home, is it my responsibility? If you come over to my house and we're both the same age, we drink wine together, and you get in your car and you slam into a tree, did I force you to drive drunk? If you're a man, no.

If you're a woman, did I? No. If we're both drinking and then sex is involved, how are we not both responsible for you know this situation is it considered aiding and abetting i got in trouble when i was 17 years old i got adjudicated of two felonies which is basically means i was 17 and not old enough to be convicted of them and we were at a party on the first night of spring break at a house party with a bunch of my friends i went to an alternative school so they were a little more edgy, like Mexican and black gangster kids. And we were all there and there was a car on the driveway and a girl came into the party and said, there's two skinheads

outside in this car. So 15, 16 of these dudes went outside and surrounded this car and about four metal TPX bats came out of this garage and they beat all the windows out of the car jumped on the windshield cracked it got the guys out beat the shit out of them with bats with bats whoa now here's here's where it gets fucked up so there was some like SWAT team test mission going on about two blocks away and they heard what was going on so we're all standing there watching these kids beat the ever-living fuck out of these skinheads and i don't even know if they were skinheads but all of a sudden like 20 30 cops roll up in bulletproof vests with fucking black fatigues on and machine guns and shit well here's what's fucked up i never laid

a single finger on any of these kids and i got in trouble because I had a cell phone in my pocket and I didn't call the cops and they called it aiding and abetting. And that's the same fucking logic. And I never understood because our argument was, well, if I would have pulled my phone out to call the police, maybe one of the kids with the bats would have hurt me or hit me. You know, it's very convoluted and fucked up and i don't think that's the same logic because um you you you can't be responsible for keeping track of how many drinks another adult has uh especially like at a party if someone's having a party in your house and you're all drinking together and maybe you might not even know but mike had some whiskey and you didn't see him and he got fucked up and you thought he only

had one glass of wine. You'd be fine. I don't think that's aiding and abetting. I think if you're in a bar, I think it becomes an issue. But I think my point was if you see that they're drunk and then they get into a vehicle and you don't proactively try to prevent them or try to keep them there. That's an interesting question. I wonder what your responsibility is. If they're coming from your house

Yeah, it might you might have some responsibility if you actually gave them the alcohol but I Just write where I draw issue because it's there has to be at some point we people have to have personal accountability Absolutely, and personal personal responsibility for all adults not just because you're a woman, you get to skirt it, no pun intended, because the fact that you're a woman. That doesn't make any sense to me. If you're at a party and you have some drinks with someone and someone keeps pouring you drinks and then you try to accuse them of getting you drunker than you normally would and you use that as sort of a corroboration that this guy likes to get women drunk. Sure. Like, man, you've made some fucking crazy leaps there. Yeah. It sounds to me like a guy's offering you drinks, which you apparently said yes to because you like drinking. Exactly.

Like, there's some madness there. There's some madness. But it does, the thing I like about it, it does open up this debate of people being fucking creepy and drugging people and treating them as less than human so that they can just shoot loads into them. So you like as long as all of these issues have an open and somewhat passionate dialogue going on, that that's more what you're interested in. Yeah, it does. They don't, though. That's what's interesting. These progressive blogs, the free thinking blog, this guy puts it on. They stifle even civil debates so quickly and harshly.

Anybody who thinks that this Michael Shermer guy is being unfairly accused and he doesn't have his day in court and what about his point of view? You're supposed to be skeptical and yet you've taken this secondhand account of a situation and posting it as evidence without talking to the other person and everyone knows that personal experiences and the memories of personal experiences are extremely inaccurate. Not only that, there's a lot that happens when people sober up. They start attaching a bunch of remorse and all kinds of other shit to things. And sometimes people have a psychological ailment where it forces them to cause other people or blame other people for their own shortcomings.

There's a lot. We all know a lot of people that do that. And so you have to take into account all those things when you are using a personal account of a situation. I've learned that the hard way. I've backed people up before and then found out that they're probably full of shit, you know, later on. Like, you're like, oh, well, why didn't you fucking tell me that? Like, you didn't you left that out, man. So this guy, I think, fucked up in doing this in a big way. But he did open the debate. And the debate is being really passionately argued. I think he's also fucking up and showing why he did it in the first place by stifling any civil discourse on his own blog. Calling them trolls and saying they're too stupid to enter into this debate. And it's also to add hominid attacks on anybody who has even a civil disagreement. I mean,

the, the, the people that they've shown, like a couple of people have made videos of this showing how ridiculous the banning of people that disagree with no disrespectful language at all, just banned, you know, from this guy's board.

Everyone is like super ultra supportive. And then I've looked on other boards and it's entirely the opposite. Everyone is completely skeptical of this and and saying that this is white knight horse shit to the extreme and this guy's an attention whore and this is not skeptical this is not there's nothing skeptical or free thinking about this and that this is this is also a problem with blogging about something is that you're you're not getting a dialogue. You're getting one person who gets to express themselves in a rambling, verbose way. Whereas if you're having a dialogue, someone can have a statement and someone can say, well, that's not true because of this. And then we'll go, oh, I thought that.

No, no, this was actually the case. And now you've got a dialogue where you're trying to reenact the information as it actually took place. You're dealing with multiple parties. That's the only way to get a really accurate assessment of what happened. And even then, it's skewed. One person will be more passionate. They'll be better at describing things. The other person, maybe their memory's not as good. And's it's it's hard it's hard to recreate a situation completely accurately and you don't do it in a third-hand account on a fucking blog you just don't you don't get and to pretend that you do is asinine and it shows me that you're using your fucking ego and your your ego has been involved in this discussion your ego to the point where you want your point to be absolutely correct and

inarguable. And that's bullshit. But that's 99% of blogging. Yeah, but it shouldn't be that way when you're talking about a guy who's an, he's a guy's a professor. The guy's a professor and the blog is called free thinking. I mean, it's like, it's so silly. It's like everything that free thinking isn't. It's like here, you just failed an intelligence test in a massive, massive way because you think, and the arguments are so strange. One of them I saw, I've seen several, this one theme that keeps repeating itself over and over again, is that even if this guy's unjustly shamed, like it may be necessary to protect women to unnecessarily shame people who are innocent.

And I saw that and I said, that's crazy thinking because it's never necessary to unnecessarily shame somebody. That's not, you don't, you don't like throw out, that's like witch trial shit. You know, you don't throw out accusations of witchcraft unnecessarily so that you find the necessary witches and abolish them from your community. Like, that's no, never. It's never okay to unnecessarily accuse someone of something they didn't do. So if they get unduly or unjustly accused, it's okay if a few women are safe. No, it's not. It's a massive injustice against one person who is unjustly accused of a crime that he absolutely didn't commit. I'm not saying that he did or he didn't, but that's a possibility as well. And it's not being considered at all by any of these people. And they're basing it on personal accounts and the guy's creepy and this and that. Maybe he is. He may very well be. But as a person who calls yourself free thinking, you have a responsibility.

An absolute responsibility to be objective about this idea. And you're not being objective about it. You're looking at it through this massive, progressive ideological standpoint fucking crazy man yeah it's interesting it's it's it's but i i like it what i like about it is not that this guy's i'm being unjustly accused what i like about it is that we're having these really interesting dialogues now that i don't think took place on a large scale before. And I find it along with all the other things that are shaping human culture because of the internet. I find it all to be really, I hate to say, it's also pretentious to say it's so stimulating, but it is kind of

stimulating. It's stimulating. It's fascinating. And it's all like bubbling up around us and changing at a rate that I don't think we're even recognizing, man. I think the rate is so rapid and so massive since 93, 94, whenever the internet became popular. It's the wild west, man. I think the rate is so rapid and so massive since 93, 94, whenever the internet became popular. It's the wild west, man. It's craziness. Yeah. I mean, everybody has a platform and everybody has a voice and the ability to do it in a different or original way.

And it's all about if they can draw the attention to themselves. It's redistributing the power of who has a voice and who doesn't. And it's the fucking Wild West all over again. The roaring 20s of the digital era. That's what I've been calling it. That's how it feels to me.

Yeah, man. It's new, it's uncharted, and it's alive. It's electric. And all these different people, whether I agree with them or not, whether I think they're flawed or not, and a lot of them are flawed, and I'm flawed too, but this input and this, these new ideas that are encouraging all this debate and all this discussion, I think it's amazing. I think it's, it's one of the most amazing events in our, in our entire history,

the history of our culture. I think it's our crowning achievement as far as, I mean, honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's, we're, we're dealing with one of the most unique times in human history and it's just sort of snuck up on us. Yeah. And Mac Lethal, yeah. I think it's, we're dealing with one of the most unique times in human history. Sure. And it's just sort of snuck up on us. Yeah. And Mac Lethal, you're a part of it, bitch. I love it, man. You are, right?

All those YouTube people with their crazy edits, they're a part of it, too. They couldn't, like, there are major record labels that would pay, that look at my YouTube channel as just an invaluable resource. Yeah. would pay that look at my youtube channel as just an invaluable resource that would pay millions of dollars to be able to get the amount of subscribers i have because they can't do it because people aren't interested in them people aren't interested in these huge record labels or these huge entities that that produce you know homogenized generic music anymore and it's it's really rebellious and For example Russell Simmons just launched a YouTube channel called all deaf digital and

He's essentially throwing millions of dollars all over the place to try to beef up his internet presence and Be a part of this and I don't think he's gonna be very successful doing it. Why? How come? He's, I mean, he's just out of touch. Uh, you know, his, his time was in the eighties and the early nineties when he could promote in New York city and, and wheat paste flyers and posters to walls and, and throw parties. And he doesn't understand the internet and how it works. And, and you know the internet requires a lot of humility and patience and constantly evolving and constantly engaging in dialogue uh creative dialogue being free thinking and i don't think that people like that understand that

that's interesting there's a lot of people that are trying to capitalize off of youtube right now because youtube and google have launched Google Fiber. Do you guys have Google Fiber out here? Dude, we have a fat 100 megabyte up and down per second Kinect that we had to have installed, like a high-speed business line. Damn. Yeah, it's dope. So I think Google Fiber is 1,000 megabytes a second, right? Is it 1,000 megs a second? I think so. Jesus. It's 1,000 megabytes a second, right? Is it 1,000 megs a second?

I think so. Jesus. It's 1,000 megabytes a second. Well, here's what they did. There's a place called Wyandotte County in Kansas City, and it's like this kind of like white trash, lower middle class area of Kansas. It's a very odd place for them to do this, but this is where they've beta tested Google

Fiber and everybody in the county has it. And essentially what they're doing is for $150 a month, they connect their fiber cable to your house and you get a thousand megabyte per second up and down. You get 700 something original YouTube channels that are directly accessible by your television. And then you get all the network TV channels and a phone. And essentially what they're trying to do is topple over network TV. So about a year ago, Google threw like $70 billion at like 700, 800 different people to create original content on YouTube Pharrell Williams CNN all these different people got these Billion dollar investments and they said make us new content make us content that is gonna shut down cable TV

And that's what everybody's doing right now So it's a fucking very fascinating and very exciting time I'm waiting for someone to come along and do like a Game of Thrones online. Oh, that's going to happen. It's got to, right? Especially because we're going to have 4K accessibility now. I mean, it's- On your phone.

On your phone. You're going to be able to use your Samsung Galaxy and fucking film Game of Thrones season five. I mean, it's on. Yeah. It's on. And that's what I love about all of this is I, when I was coming up, I knew that I was maybe a little too I was maybe a little

too weird, maybe a little too different to ever have a song on the radio. I don't have the sex appeal that some of these, you know, preppy, uh, douchebag rappers have, or I'm not edgy enough or whatever it is. So I always knew I was going to have to connect with people one by one and build my own empire. And in the late nineties, this was just creating my own music at my house, sending off $1,000, getting 1,000 CDs manufactured and selling them out of the trunk of my car and one by one building my own fan base. Then as the 2000s progressed and the internet got bigger,

I realized people are getting online to listen to and find out about new music. So I jumped on that shit a long fucking time ago Never sought out trying to make a radio single never tried to get on a major record label I've had major record label deal offers in the past couple years that have turned down because the money isn't good enough But I always knew that a humble brag was that a humble brag? Sorry about that. Let me take that back. It's all right. Humblebrags are okay. Okay, fine. They're part of life.

Fine. Yeah, they were on my dick. So I just always knew that independent music, with the internet, when Sean Parker created Napster and we realized, found out that they could take a very heavy, big-sized WAV file and compress it down to a 3 or 4 megabyte MP3. That was the death of the music business as we knew it then. There was no way record stores were going to stay open. There was no way records and CDs were going to sell like they used to.

And it was only a matter of time before the internet got more exposure, got faster, people got on new computers and could download music. And once that happened, it changed the game, completely revolutionized it. So all these major record labels and all these huge platinum-selling artists were completely shut down. And then people like me had a lane. And while we're not as big as, you know, some of these huge artists, Backstreet Boys or whoever the fuck, people like Immortal Technique, who I know you've had on here, or me, we're able to use things like YouTube to directly connect to our fans.

And that's what's so exciting about Google Fiber is it's making it even better. We're going to be able to put money into the shit that we do and have fucking big semi-decent productions. And we don't have to rely on any major record label, any television network anything it's fucking wild west man yeah it's amazing yeah well we're getting legitimate sponsors now we're getting like real companies and stamps.com they have to legal zoom they don't have a choice where they'll where else are they gonna go well not only that we we refuse to do

like a real commercial like i don't really read it i just sort of say i say their points but i say it the way i want to do it and i only do in the beginning i won't interrupt any of this the pod they want to stop like there's a lot of guys that are doing it now they're doing it like a tv show they stop every 15 minutes hey that's an interesting point mac lethal you know what else is interesting stamps.com if you have a business and they're doing it that way and i i don't want to do it that way well you don't have to we don't have to because we didn't and because it sort of became something very popular without that yeah and you got as long as you have the people paying attention that's all that matters yeah you're you're directly connected to them and you don't need them you just don't need them and that's what is i've used youtube and facebook and twitter to do is just get my weird music out there and my weird blogs out there and a lot of people like them.

And that's what's so fucking cool about it. Yeah, I like them. Thank you. That's very cool about it. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate it. We're both a part of that sort of thing where people found something that they just liked. I've done a lot of different things, whether it's Fear Factor or News Radio or the UFC or what have you, but I don't really use any of those things to promote this podcast.

I never have. This podcast sort of kind of found itself pretty organically. And that just, you know, I don't know how it happened. It just sort of happened. From your days on Fear Factor to now that you've had several stages of reimagining your image or maybe the people you've exposed yourself in different platforms so people learned more about who you are. Like because when I used to see you on Fear Factor, I would have never guessed that you would fucking get in an isolation tank and take four grams of mushrooms and think about, you know, all of us having a collective conscious or something. But then the more I learned about you through YouTube, because you were on YouTube real early, and I would just see these videos and be like,

dude, this dude is dope, and he's into, like, some cerebral shit. And do you feel like this has helped people understand you better as a person? Well, it's helped me explain me better. I mean, everyone loves to pigeonhole. And if I didn't know me, I would certainly pigeonhole me. Sure. Yeah, that happens. Fucking meathead douchebag making people eat bugs. I wouldn't want to listen to me talk about anything philosophical or anything that I think of. But one of the things about doing something like a fear factor where you, you, you gain financial freedom is you also gain the freedom

to speak your mind because you're not worried about the repercussions. I always had stand-up comedy, and I made money on Fear Factor, and then I've always had the UFC. I don't have to worry about speaking my mind, and that has allowed me to have some freedom, and then doing a podcast allowed me to have a platform where I get to express myself.

People fucking, whatever weirdness, and then we, we're, no one's perfect. You know, everyone has flaws. Everyone has, we change from day to day, depending upon our stress level and what emotional shit we're dealing with, our personal life, our business life, or, you know, what have you. We vary. We, we all have a lot of variation in, in our behavior. But when you talk to someone or you hear someone talk for hours and hours and hours and hours over the course of X amount of years, you get an idea of who the fuck they are. You really do.

They can't hide. You can't hide three hours a day every fucking day. You're going to expose yourself. And in that, I think there's never been a vehicle ever that's allowed people to get to know people like they can off of the internet like they can from podcasts it's never existed and before artists used to be almost

flawless that you you couldn't see their flaws and and people gravitated towards that and now it's almost like people are more drawn towards people that do have flaws that they sometimes disagree with it's like an elevated version of what a rock star used to be because a rock star used to be this ethereal, creative, sexual being that there could do no wrong. But I think that we elevated beyond that. And now people want to know that this motherfucker might say some shit that I'm going to disagree with soon or like Louie, how he's he he can't stop eating and he's he's chubby and a little out of shape and balding, but that's what people gravitate towards now. It's an, it's like the anti image and it, that's fucking amazing to me. That's what

I love about all this shit is that we're going above and beyond what people treat as, uh, people, uh, people worship or idolize. We're taking it to a different level and connecting on a much more intimate and personal level. Absolutely. That's a really good point. I think the idolization and the rock star analogy is perfect because we always thought they could do no wrong, that they are so perfect.

And we always thought like, oh my God, you're starstruck when you meet them. I can't, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy. And then you realize somewhere along the line that that's just a person. And when you are exposed to all a person's flaws and ups and downs, and you realize there's a, there's a very empowering thing to other people about, I love talking about when I was a loser. I think it's really important. I talk about like all the times I was a pussy or scared or didn't have any courage or had social anxiety

or just really had no self-esteem. I think it's super important to talk about those times so that people can realize, oh, this isn't a guy who was successful always and always been confident and always, he's different than me, I can't relate to that kind of thinking. No, I used to get nervous talking to the bank teller. I'd get tongue-tied going to the bank, you know, especially when I was broke and I was depositing a $50 check or something like that. I'd get nervous, like legitimately nervous.

Yeah, no, I think that that's maybe one of the things is as a rap artist, people have connected to my shit because I all talk about, you know, my insecurities or I'll become vulnerable. and I'm a rapper when that's not supposed to happen in rap. But you're a white rapper. Yeah, that too. You got a little more flexibility there.

I know. I know. Yeah. I think, I think it's beautiful. It's, it's again, like everything else,

it's sort of exposing things in a way that it never been possible. Oh, this is the Charlie Sheen one. What is the Charlie Sheen one? This is the best drunk known to man. Winning.. Oh, this is the Charlie Sheen one. What is the Charlie Sheen one? This is the best drug known to man. Winning. Check it out.

I'm Charlie Sheen. Got cocaine jaw. Fuck Brie Olsen. Did the whole thing wrong. I get two million every episode. This matters for my pay. I got fire breathing fists and Adonis DNA. Fuck AA.

Fuck anybody with cancer. Fuck porn stars. Fuck dancers. You call me an addict and I'll just smile. Dream on. Punk bitch. I'm the real Ricky Wilde thing. Vaughn, my line's polar. It's the ninth smile, dream on Punk bitch, I'm the real Ricky Wilde, think of all my lines Polar, it's the ninth inning, you're bipolar, I'm bi-winning Banging seven gram rocks, tear my chest apart

And you will see that I have three extra hearts Doing 75 pounds of yayo every night, that's love Doing 75 pounds of yayo every night, that's love I got tiger blood, Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen Five foot nine with the heart on clean Blinked his eyes And he cured AIDS His women and cocaine

Are pure great Okay Charlie Sheen Charlie Sheen I gotta get that guy Especially now that he's Sort of like leveled out I saw him on Dr. Oz The other day

I'm like it might be time Fuck Dr. Oz What do you mean leveled out He was looking for How dare you No no no no Let me hear Dr. Oz was gonna have me

On his show Because his people Enjoy enjoyed my pancake wrap. I also did a Chick-fil-A wrap. When Chick-fil-A had that whole anti-gay thing, whatever, I did a wrap video where I remade a Chick-fil-A sandwich and used the recipe so people didn't have to go to Chick-fil-A and support their anti-gay causes. So they hit me up and they were like, we love your food wraps. causes. So they hit me up and they were like, we love your food, your food wraps. We would love to have you on here to make like a strawberry banana smoothie or something healthy and promote healthy eating and do like a cool fast wrap. And, and, you know, we'll fly you out. You'll do it for free because it's great exposure and you'll love it. And you're excited about this. And I'm like,

okay, yeah, that's great. So we book all this travel and get ready to do this and then they cancel it because of text from bennett and because they were just like we don't want to be affiliated with that and well explain text from bennett because text from bennett is fucking hilarious why why they have a problem with text from and i'm quoted on your your book cover right yeah it just says hilarious because we did hilarious that's what i say i just said it again let's explain text from bennett to people text people text from Bennett is a blog about my cousin who is a 17 year old crip

wigger crip that's illiterate that sends me text messages that are accidentally genius and it's a real dude it's a real dude I wasn't even sure if it was a real dude here's the thing about text from Bennett. Oh, that's Mercedes.

That's his girlfriend. Bennett just broke my Drake CD. Can you burn me another copy? He says Drake color coordinates his outfit to match his bowl of Froot Loops. That's his girlfriend. Pull up Bennett himself. I hate my girlfriend, Mercedes. Here, these are all Drake CDs.

Keep going. I'll tell you. Oh, this is a... Keep going. We'll find a good one. Okay, these are all drugs. What is a drug? Keep going. I'll tell you. Oh, this is a... Keep going. We'll find a good one. Okay, well, listen. The point is, your cousin,

your cousin Bennett, Yes. Does he get a piece of all this? Yes. He does? Yes. How do you, like, what do you do with him?

Do you get him fucked up on Mad Dog 2020 and tell him, hey, why don't you send me a text, bitch? And you're right. We worked it out for my aunt, why don't you send me a text, bitch, and you're right. We worked it out for my aunt,

his mother. So we take care of, I take care of his aunt instead of him. Oh, he worked it out with you that way? Yeah,

I worked it out with him that way. It was, it was like, it was your, your call? Yeah. So,

and he was willing to do that? Yeah. Huh. I didn't have a choice. So, because here's the deal, I said,

here, I'm going to write a book about this blog that has blown up unbeknownst to you. That's a real book. So I'm going to write a book about this blog that has blown up unbeknownst to you. That's a real book. So I'm going to write, well, this is a real book. It came out on Tuesday. It's a novel.

Yeah, it's a fucking novel. And it's Simon and Schuster released it. It's in fucking bookstores right now. It just came out. And I got to tell the recount of, recount the summer where they came to live with me. And a network, which I can't say, has expressed serious interest into optioning it.

How gross is that statement? You just went Hollywood on us. I didn't mean to go on. A network has expressed serious interest in optioning it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're back in that Kevin Bacon movie.

God damn it. Did you ever see that Kevin Bacon movie about... What was that movie called? It's a great fucking movie. Flatliners is a good movie. No, no, no. That's not it. It's that Kevin Bacon movie about, what was that movie called? It's a great fucking movie. Flatliners is a good movie. No, no, that's not it. It's a Kevin Bacon movie about Hollywood. What is it called?

I'm sorry. No, no, no. L.A. Confidential. Don't be stupid. Just try to find it. Kevin Bacon movie about Hollywood. Yeah. You should use two hands because I am, and I can do it quicker than you.

Yeah, but I have left hand on changing cameras. Oh, you can stop that for a moment. I can't find the name of it, but it was a really good movie, and it's the movie where Terry Hatcher looked the hottest. Terry Hatcher was so ridiculously hot back then that a girl that I was dating actually got mad that I said she was hot, which I always find to be...

The big picture? Yes, the big picture. How am I supposed to know that? It's a great movie. It's a great movie about Hollywood, about how it's all... And they would say that. Strong interest in optioning.

I didn't mean it like that. It's like, you're a director. That's funny. Mike, our waiter, is a director too, aren't you, Mike? And when he applies for a job as a server at a restaurant, it's like the idea is that everybody is trying to make it in show business.

But Terry Hatcher was so hot in that movie. And someone said, how hot was this chick? I go from a 1 to 10, 10 being Terry Hatcher in that movie. And what is it? A big picture? I go, that's about as hot as a human being has ever been. And my girlfriend goes, fuck you. You know, bullshit.

I'm like, whoa. You want to pretend you're hotter than Terry Hatcher? Go right ahead. You know? So in the book. Get mad at me. She actually got mad at me. I was like, wow, this one's not going to last.

The book is basically, it's about my cousin and his illiterate text messages, but it goes above and beyond that. Hard-working Kansas City rapper Matt Riesel has a problem, and his name is Bennett. Oh, God, who wrote that? Yeah, I don't know. And his name is Bennett. I didn't write that.

You should have approval of all that shit, dude. Yeah, I wish I did. Those crackheads, they get a hold of it and confuse the shit out of everything. All good reviews too it's hilarious the um hey that was quick the um the the there's a uh twitter handle for it too right is it text from Bennett yeah it's text from with no with no o are you still up on that the twitter the thing that is it's big on tumblr it's big on tumblr. It's big on Tumblr. Yeah, text from Bennett. How come there's no O?

Not enough characters. What? Yeah, Twitter wouldn't allow it. Hmm. It's way bigger on, I don't want to do a humble brag again. It has a bigger presence on Tumblr because it's just pictures of the text messages. I can't have a hard time following you here. Oh, text S, the S from Bennett. Oh, did I?

That's what fucked it up. Text from Bennett, right? Yeah, text from Bennett. Oh, I'm following it. Of course I am. Yeah, these are funny, man. They're really funny. I didn't know

that it was a real guy. I thought you were just bullshitting. First I thought this Bennett guy was like a real guy and then I thought it was, oh,

it's a character that someone created and then to hear you say that it's a character that someone created and then to hear you say that it's actually your cousin what if your cousin dies oh he will at some point it's like shit my dad says like you got to keep your dad alive you know in order to keep that empire going yeah i think that it's going to be done now because he he knows about it and only text messages me to ask if any girls have hit me up to have sex with him. He wants to get groupies.

That's hilarious. It's probably done. This book is kind of exiting that, and we're going to see if there's other platforms I can put it on. But it's pretty much done. Well, that's awesome that you did the first thing all you. That's going to be most likely the best representation of this is what you just did in this book. So if anybody wants to buy it, text. It's Simon & Schuster.

Text from Bennett. It's available on Amazon. Do you have an audio version of it? An audible? Oh, man. I'm hoping that we get to do that. Do you think that your cousin would read it? That would be amazing.

Fingers crossed. That would be the shit. That would be so good. Yes. I think it would be bigger than this. I think That would be amazing. Fingers crossed. That would be the shit. That would be so good. I think it would be bigger than this. I think it would be hilarious. It would be the best. If you could actually just only get him to read off all the text and then you do all the stuff in between and that would be

awesome. Just give him a day's work. Sit down in a studio. I would love that. Get him fucked up. Get him an Xbox or something. something no you don't want to distract him no no no oh as a gift yeah you gotta pay him he did a jujitsu he did a jujitsu class once really yeah what how's a methed out 16 year old it handled jujitsu he puked yeah boy quick that's the thing man meth heads they have zero cardio. They just can't hang on. None. Yeah. Even if they're on meth, it gets them. Have you ever seen someone, like a guy who thinks he's in shape, and then they go to

jujitsu class and you watch? Yeah, it happens all the time. It's amazing, isn't it? It happens all the time. That's sometimes me if I'm on the road for too long. I'm like, oh, I'm back in jujitsu, and then I get out there, and my endurance is like 30% what it was. Yeah, it sucks.

Get yourself some Shroom Tech Sports, son. Power you up. I don't know. What is that? I'll give you some before we leave. This podcast is basically over, but you're awesome. You are too, man. Thank you.

And your videos are awesome. I appreciate that. I'm so happy that guys like you exist, that you figured out a way to do this, that you've put it all out there. You got a great message. You're a cool motherfucker and Much love and much success. Much love and much respect, man. Thank you guys very much. Follow him on Twitter.

MacLethal on Twitter and text FRMBennett is the information that you can get if you want to be want to read the text. If you want to buy the book, it's available on Simon & Schuster and whenever this TV show thing manifests itself, we'll have you back, man.

Thank you, man. We'll promote the fuck out of that as well. All right. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in. Thanks to Squarespace.com. Use the code word Joe and the number 9. Altogether, Joe9. And save yourself 20% for a limited time offer.

Thanks to Onnit.com. Use the code Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements. We'll be back tomorrow with the great and talented Duncan Trussell and then Thursday with the wonderful and beautiful David Cho. So we got a fat week, you fucking freaks. Next week we got Tom Segura. We're going to get on Matt Fultron. We're going to expose the world to some new bad motherfuckers that are on the rise.

And much love. Much love to everybody. Thank you, everybody, who came out to the Ontario Improv. Thank you, everybody, on Twitter and Facebook and all that shit. And just keep pushing out that love, folks. Oh, oh, can I do one more thing? Yes. I have a Q&A at 4.30 at some fucking bookstore in L.A.

Oh, beautiful. Where is it? I'll find out. You got to tell people. And I have a show tonight at Whiskey A Go-Go. What? Oh, nice. Madness.

Tonight? Tonight. What time? Probably like 9, 9 o'clock. We might go. I might go. I might go, man. Let me find out what the fuck I have to do tonight.

God damn it. Shit just got crazy. I just booked the Ontario Improv. I'm starting to do one of the things that happened with doing this TV show. I haven't been doing as much stand-up as I should. And I had one rusty set this weekend, Saturday Night Late Show. Book Soup. Sorry. Book Soup is what the club is?

Yeah. No, that's the bookstore. Where's it at? Where's it at, Bradley? Hold on. I'll find out. Book Soup LA. Yeah, it's coming. Yeah, it's Book Soup. I? Hold on, I'll tell you. Hold on, I'll find out. BookSoup LA? Yeah, I got it. It's coming. Yeah, it's BookSoup. I'm going there right now doing a Q&A and signing books.

It's on 8818 Sunset Boulevard, West Hollywood, California. And the number's 310-659-3110 if you want to call them and say nice things. Berate me. I don't know. What the fuck are you going to do? So anyway, the Ontario Improv, I just booked it because I'm trying to do way more stand-up now. I had a great fucking time in Brea. Every show except the late show Saturday night was a little slippery.

So if you went to that show, my apologies. So I'm trying about a bunch of new shit. Sometimes it gets tangled up. But I just booked Ontario Improv October 4th, 5th, and 6th for the weekend. Tommy Segura is going to be with me on the 4th and the 5th, and then the 6th. I don't know who I'm going to book. So it's pretty last minute. So Ontario Improv.

It's all on my Twitter, which is Joe Rogan. And we'll see you guys tomorrow with Duncan Trussell. That's it. A big E and a hug and a kiss to you all. Mwah. A big E and a hug and a kiss to y'all.