The Joe Rogan Experience - #403 - Justin Collett (Part 1)

Episode Date: October 11, 2013

Justin Collett is a founding partner of The Action Report website, a website for pool & billiards enthusiasts from around the world.

I was having this conversation with somebody the other day. If I told you in 1987 that you would have a little thing about the size of a deck of cards that you carry around in your hand and you, at the touch of a button, could talk to anyone on earth with it, video chat with people, and access all the known information in the universe. Yeah. No one would fucking believe you. For $60 a month. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And not only that, but it would also allow your government to track every move you make.

Yeah. Everybody can track every move you make. Do you see that? There was an app that was, I think it was in Brazil. They had this app and they took it down. Eventually it was an Android app that allows people to turn your phone on, listen to you, and record you. It allows them to hear everything that's going on in the room and track you through GPS.

That's some of the shit they were using in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is some crazy shit. It's weird. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, I mean, the phone's got it all. Yeah. Bluetooth. Did you, have you ever followed any of the Stuxnet shit and the viruses that came out around that time? I can't think of the name of the other virus, but it was, had to be designed. They were saying CIA or Israel, one or the other. But one of the things that the virus would do is on a computer

that was infected with it, it would search for any Bluetooth connections in the area. So if your phone had the Bluetooth on, it wasn't protected. If it could connect to that Bluetooth, it would connect to that phone. This is a computer with a virus on it. We'll connect to a phone, download the address book, all the contacts, all that shit, and then upload it to a cash site, basically, where then they could come and get it. And then it would also wait for instructions. Wow.

Yeah. Sick. I mean, it's not science fiction, bro. I mean, this shit happens. It's real. When you saw that Michael Hastings Jr., the reporter that drove into a tree at 100 miles an hour, did you freak out? You know, I mean, yeah. I think there's some people in this world you're probably better off not fucking with.

Even if it's an accident. Yeah. You know, I mean, when you have people that kill your nation's enemy for a living you know do you really want to cross them do you really want to fuck with them i mean yeah who knows what kind of technology they have if they can do that with a phone with a virus that was engineered either by you know some super intelligent dudes from whatever country if they can do that what what else can they do that we can't do? I think that's where this reoccurring dream just kept coming from,

that I'm so fucking stupid. I know I'm so fucking stupid. Like in comparison to all these people that can make these laptops and make these phones and figure out these viruses, I am so removed from the ability to do that. But you know what? To me the thing is, yeah, okay. But a lot of race car drivers don't know how to build a car either.

It's true. And to me, that's one of the things, the biggest thing with like what I do, I mean, the way I make my living now, and I started with photography before digital, if it wasn't for digital cameras, I would have never picked up a camera. If I would have had to pick up a camera and then go take some goddamn film and have it developed and do all this bullshit. And, you know, every time you made a bad shot, it cost you a quarter. I mean, there's no fucking way I would have stuck with it. But because of the tools, this is a perfect example of it.

You know what I mean? Look at what you've created out of shit you buy off the shelf. It's a toolkit that allows people out there to create things. And we've seen that now with film, anything, you name it. The bar to entry is no longer technical. 40 years ago, if you wanted to make a film, you were fucked if you didn't have a bunch of money because it cost that much money to do anything. Now, you know, so to me, the guy who makes it, yeah, he's a fucking genius. But the guy who takes that tool and then expands on it and creates new things with it is just as smart in my opinion.

It's just what they, you know, those people do, though. I mean, they build off of each other, and that's where the thousand Tesla idea came from. It's like if you had a thousand of those motherfuckers communicating with each other. Yeah. But if you had a thousand me's, nothing. A lot of big jokes. I'm going to make an axe with a rock. Maybe I'll figure that out eventually.

I'd find a sharp rock, and I'd be like, I need to figure out how to make these on my own. Yeah, I was driving out here from Vegas and I had never seen this. It's been a while since I made the drive and I don't know if this fucking facility is new or what. But coming out on 15 on the right-hand side of the road, I saw this. It looked like a giant fucking pond or a lake or something like that. And then there was a big-ass tower sticking up in the middle of it. And this is in the middle of the desert. I'm like, what in the fuck is that?

Finally, I figured out it's one of those solar farms. Have you ever seen one of those? And I think this is how it works. I need to Google this shit and find out exactly what it is. But it looked to me like in the big-ass tower, because I've seen some things where these solar farms, they have all these mirrors, and they all focus on this center tower. And then they turn that energy into, I guess it's heat or however the fuck they do it. Whoa, I'm looking at these images, Google images of solar farms. I didn't even know this existed.

For California, it's a fucking crime they don't use it. And I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, like, why isn't this fucking desert covered in solar panels? Yeah. You know, I mean, but then again, I guess, if you look at, you know, how much fossil fuels does it take to create something like that, and how long is the break-even point to where it actually is making sense? That's a good point that people don't recognize. It takes a lot of fossil fuels to make things, make plastics, to make— Everything.

I mean, just drive the cars. The trucks to get the shit out there. Yeah, it's true. That's a really, really, really important point. But I guess even with—I mean, isn't it possible to make a lot of things without it, though? I mean, if you used electricity only from solar power to make machines that ran on solar power. You know, I don't know, man. I was thinking, when I saw that solar shit, it got me thinking about, you know, oil.

And one thing I've always had a thought about was after 9-11, I think one of the biggest fuck-ups Bush had was he had the opportunity for kind of a Manhattan Project moment. I think if he would have came out and said, look, we're getting off oil as much as possible because it's not a green planet issue. It's not a tree hugger issue. It's none of that. It's a national security issue. Because if you look at most of the bullshit our country's gotten involved in the last 40 years, it's for oil, which I'm not against. I mean, oil is a national security thing.

People who say, well, no blood for oil, okay, pay $10 a gallon for gas and watch your fucking economy crash. But to me, that could have been a Manhattan Project moment or something similar to where you make a giant breakthrough. Because this country has always proven that if you point it in the right direction and give it a mandate and then back it up, perfect example, moon landing, the Apollo program. They started with nothing. I mean literally nothing. And 10 years – not even 10 years later in that decade, there was a man on the moon. Well, depending if you believe on that or not. If you believe what that said in this.

But – Yeah. My point is – Humans can get – we can – if backed against the wall we can get some incredible things and if he would have used that as a mandate to say look this is a national security issue you know we're gonna but yeah but you're sounding like he's like a real president that's true well i'm just saying the opportunity well the opportunity was there the opportunity was there but unfortunately that opportunity could have been capitalized on people other than the people that were monopolizing the natural resources.

Right. And that wasn't going to happen. The real issue is always money because the money is being monopolized right now. The money is being – there's such a mass amount of wealth that's connected to oil that it's almost – if you let people that the amount of money they have they can have a giant crazy army in like a year yeah like you have to be really careful of that and it's it's it's a shame that you know when you drive from vegas to california and you see those gigantic fucking open desert fields where there's just nothing Those could all be just filled up with solar panels. They could just be plugging cars in.

The cars they have now are getting close. Like they have that Tesla, that Model S. That's getting really close. I mean, it's crazy. What other technology do you use that's 100 years old? Yeah. In your life, think about it.

Can you name one fucking thing you use day to day that's 100 years old. Yeah. In your life. Think about it. Can you name one fucking thing you use day to day that's 100 years old? Air conditioning's not 100 fucking years old. Refrigeration's not 100 years old. What's 100 years old? The internal combustion engine. But do you think that it's the most fun? The problem with those electric engines.

I've never driven an electric car. They're missing something. They're golf carts. They're missing soul. I did golf carts. They're missing soul. I did watch. Makes me sad. Oh, God, what the fuck was that car that guy made? I forget where I saw it.

But a dude, high-performance electric cars. It's kind of a, does a hand-built thing. Car's like 100 grand or some bullshit like that. But the numbers on it are sick. Is that the Tesla Roadster? No, this is a hand-built thing. This guy makes them one-offs. Oh, this is very specific.

Oh, really? Where the fuck did I see that? I can't remember. I'm terrible with that. But anyway, the numbers on it are crazy, and it's just like the torque, there's no lag, there's no nothing. It's instant. You know, everything's electric.

It's better. Yeah. That's what's sad. Yeah, it can be better. But he was actually running eighth-mile drags with it. Wow. And it was pretty slick. They're very fast.

Yeah. I mean, there's, I don't know. You wonder, I mean, it's got to go there. I mean, right? Well, it seems like it's going there, but it tried to go there before. Did you ever see that documentary, Who Killed the Electric Car? Yeah. I think there's got to be something better than what we're doing.

It's this burning shit, and that's how you get things done. It seems really stupid at this point. But so does this nuclear thing. That seems like a really stupid idea too. I'm not educated enough on the nuclear thing. I hear both arguments. But if you look at, you know, it takes, it's kind of like the old joke that, you know, you can build a thousand bridges but suck one dick. And they don't remember you as a bridge builder.

It's like you can build a thousand nuclear plants but have one Fukushima. But the problem is there's been a few. There's Three Mile Island. There's the Fukushima. And is it Four. There's Three Mile Island. There's the Fukushima. And is it Four Mile Island or Three Mile Island? Four? Three? Three.

Three Mile Island. Yeah. I said four on the podcast before. Apologies. Apologies, ladies and gentlemen. Fukushima. Those are two. And Chernobyl.

That's three. So there's three spots on Earth that are just fucked. Yeah, but you can't really count three spots on Earth that are just fucked. Russian nuclear plants are just a bad fucking idea all the way around. I think everybody's nuclear plant's a bad idea. Yeah, but I mean, Russians? Come on, man. But my point was that you're dealing with less than a hundred

years of use, and you already have three spots that are completely ruined forever. Forever. Longer than people have ever been alive. Right. You go back 100,000 years ago, what did that dude look like 200,000 years ago? Was that even a person?

Right. If you ran into that thing, running around naked, eating fucking squirrels with his face, that's barely a person. And that's how long from there to now, where it's like, that's like the half-life. Before anybody can go back and have a picnic. And you still get sick. Sure. You know, it's still not healthy.

It's not like living near a fucking fresh spring. It's creepy, man. I haven't kept up with the Fukushima shit. I heard that there was now, I don't know about the radiation and all that shit, but they were saying that there's actually debris now washing up in Canada and on the West Coast and shit like that. It's radioactive. It's made its way all the way over here. Yeah, it's really weird.

It's not just that. There's an inevitable loss of this water that they're using to cool down the reactor. It keeps getting into the ocean. It's getting into the ocean in the tune of like millions of gallons. So they send the water in to cool it and then pump it back in the ocean. Well, it's not even that they pump it. It leaks out. There's a lot of leakage.

They're trying to develop a system of holding it in place now. It involves drilling these giant holes deep, deep, deep into the ground and then inserting this machine that would essentially permafrost the ground. And so there's like tubes and you would freeze these tubes. So there's all these holes in the ground and then around it you would place this machine that freezes the shit out of everything. So it's a giant containment wall, millions of gallons containment wall for keeping in this insane nuclear water waste but the issue is of

course you have to keep the power on to keep this machine on and the whole point with you guys fucked up was your power went off and then you couldn't cool the reactor down so you're doing another thing that's based on power right when you've already been it's already been shown that we have these ideas of what mother nature can or can't throw at us. And it's only based on a limited window of time that we've been measuring it. Less than, you know, a few hundred years. Sure. And even, you know, 200 years ago, who the fuck knows what kind of shit bag equipment they were figuring out what speed the wind was when it was coming in.

They didn't really know. So that's a blink of a fucking eye in terms of the world and how the weather changes. You know, the weather can shift radically and there it can do some really crazy shit so for you to count on you being able to keep the power on is just ridiculous you count on being able to turn it back on yes i'm sure you'll probably be able to turn it back on but count on keeping it on right and if you don't keep it on, what happens? It thaws out and all the fucking nuclear water, a trillion gallons goes flooding into the fucking ocean.

Yeah, that's a pretty big risk. That's a big bet. It's weird. It's just weird. It's weird that it's boiled down to that. It's like, how did this, this seems like a chess game that someone treated like checkers.

Right. It's like they figure, can we make it? Let's fucking do it. Can we do a nuclear power plant? Let's do it. Let's just make it. Right. Hey, we can do it.

What happens if the power goes out? Figure this shit out. Oh, dude, don't worry about that. That's human nature, man. Yeah. We've been doing that shit since we came out of the cave. Yeah, but this is one of the most dangerous examples of it. The idea that you could just completely poison the environment to the point of like if you were an alien.

DDT. It would look like venom. DDT. Yeah. I mean fucking cigarettes. Sure. I mean tobacco. I mean how many millions of people has that killed over the years?

Yeah. You know? And it's just humans aren't the brightest fucking sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to shit like that. How much better are those e-cigarettes? How better those things i don't know i i don't know anything about i've never smoked and i don't uh i i don't know anything about that stuff it's one of the more dirty aspects of politics is that you'll never see a politician talk about cigarettes too much money man too much cash too many taxes Isn't that amazing, though? I mean, what a weird commitment to something that poisons people. But think about if you're a politician or if you're in the business of government.

Here's an item that no matter—whenever you get into a tough spot, you just fucking pass a sin tax. You know, cigarettes and booze. People will bitch. It ain't like they won't buy it. Yeah. We're going to tax it further. Trying to prevent this terrible plague. And that's how you spin it.

The way we're trying to prevent this terrible plague is by making millions and millions of dollars from it. And thus being connected to it inexorably. Right. Yeah, they don't ever let go of money. Once they figure out a way to make money from something They just keep the law the same It's very difficult to create laws that stop politicians From making as much money

To cut their money back in certain situations like this This idea that That's the will of the people It's so fucking stupid It's a creepy fucking organization we have It's uh I don't know, man. It's, I like the idea that our country started out with that, you know,

when you went to government, it was service. It wasn't a full-time, it wasn't meant to be a full-time position. Yeah. We weren't meant to have senators with 40 fucking years seniority in the Senate. Yeah. You know, it was meant that you went, you did your service, you represented your district or your local area. And, you know, then you went home.

And the next guy went. Yeah. And we've turned into like basically any other longstanding country with a ruling class. Yeah. And they put R's and D's in front of their names to give somebody something to hang on to to vote for. It's all the same shit. Not only that, they absolutely provably force out the other parties. Absolutely provably make it much more difficult for them to be involved in debates.

If you look at the coverage of anybody that's outside of the standard two choices, The coverage from, they learned from Ross Perot. Tell you what, Ross Perot threw a fucking billion dollar monkey wrench into their fucking plans. Yeah, he did. Folks who were young and full of life, you don't remember Ross Perot. Ross Perot cost George Bush a second term. Yeah, Ross Perot was a bad motherfucker.

That's why Clinton won. He came around, Ross Perot came around, and all of a sudden there was this billionaire dude explaining how the government works explaining the federal debt explaining the the federal bank explaining taxes and you're like wait what the fuck is going on he took buying time on network television that's what's so gangster about him because he was before the internet this was not going on when everybody was online. This was like early 90s.

Yeah. You know? I remember it. What year was it that Clinton got on? The election was 92, right? Yeah. Yeah, 92. Yeah, man.

I remember my friend John was like helping with his campaign. He never helped with anybody's campaign. He's like, this motherfucker is going to get rid of all the crooks. He was so excited about them. Yeah. People were excited about Ross Perot was like the original Ron Paul. Right. But Ross Perot was way more gangster because he had all that cash.

He had the money. And he had a way of talking, see? Yeah. Here's the problem. Crazy old ball-headed fuck from down in Texas couldn't tell shit how it was. Right. Yeah. That was a real interesting thing.

So from there, they changed the Commission for Presidential Debates or whatever they call it, which is a privately funded institution. You know, corporations back it. It's not like it's a government program. So they can decide who gets to debate and who doesn't. There's old Ross. What's crazy is… in Washington where after you've served for a while, you cash in, become a foreign lobbyist, make $30,000 a month, then take a leave, work on presidential campaigns, make sure you've got good contacts, and then go back out. Now, if you just want to get out of brass tacks, first thing you ought to do is get all these folks who've got these one-way trade agreements that we've negotiated

over the years and say, fellas, we'll take the same deal we gave you. And they'll gridlock right at that point because, for example, we've got international competitors who simply could not unload their cars off the ships if they had to comply. You see, if it was a two-way street, just couldn't do it. We have got to stop sending jobs

overseas. It's probably a good thing he didn't win, though. Otherwise, we'd be occupying China right now. Do you think so? good thing he didn't win though. Really? Otherwise we'd be occupying China right now. Do you think so? And you can move your factory south the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, hire a young 25, let's assume you've been in business for a long time, you've got a mature workforce, pay a dollar an hour for your labor, have no health care, that's the most expensive single element, making a car, have no environmental controls, no pollution controls, and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money,

there will be a giant sucking sound going south. So if the people send me to Washington, the first thing I'll do is study that 2,000-page agreement. Bill's looking at the chick in the second row. One last point here. I've decided I was dumb and didn't understand it, so I called a who's who of the folks in the second row've wrecked the country with these kinds of deals holy shit thank you holy shit ross perot was calling shit in 1992 he's a gangster i mean how correct was that though what's funny is he was just talking about the auto industry i spent 10 years in the auto industry i worked for ford motor Company for almost a decade.

And I took a buyout. And our plant actually closed a few years ago, the plant that I worked at in Indianapolis. But that industry is not the same. And it's gone. And people, and yeah, there's a lot of shit with the union. And, you know, you can argue both sides of that. And it's like most things. There's, you know, somewhere in the middle is the truth. But, you know, that whole way of life for a big part of this country, that auto industry, was, you know, that is the middle class.

That was the middle class. That was the middle class. You know, you could go to work for one of those companies or one of the companies that supplied that industry and work 30 years and raise a family and your kids could have a better life than you. And that's all gone now. Yeah. There was a possibility for a guy to get a really good job without an education. Just, you know, you could get a really good job that paid really well and you could have a good living. Yeah. You know, you could have a boat, you could have a, you know, you know, you'd have toys, you could have, you could have a home vacation cars and, and you could, you know, I mean, like when I was there, if you just worked a straight 40 hours, you'd make about 60,000 a year. Now $60,000 a year in Indiana or in the Midwest

is decent money. If you worked overtime, you could get up $80,000 to $100,000. But if you worked your ass off $7,200, all the overtime you could get, you could top out about $120,000. But that's literally living your life in the plant seven, seven days a week, 12 hours a day. Did anybody do that? Yes. Yes. And I'll tell you what, that was, I'm glad I did that because I was able to see that culture of, and there was a long, there's a long history there of, because at least

with Ford Motor Company, nepotism was a well-established thing. That's how they did business. They hired sons. They hired daughters. I was third generation for Ford Motor Company. I worked with guys. I literally worked with three generations of the same family, grandfather, father, and son. What years were this? This was, I hired on in nine, uh, 97 to December, 2006 is when I left in December, 2006.

So just when the Mustang started getting good again. Right. Yeah, exactly. They figured it out after all those years. But it, uh, it, and there was a lot of institutional memory and it was the only place i've ever worked where people at a factory environment because i'm from the midwest and i always worked in machine shops tools tool and dye places stuff like that and that place you were proud to work there you were happy to work there at least in the to work there, at least in the beginning. But I mean,

a lot of people, that was, that was one of the ways they defined their lives. They were a UAW Ford motor employee. And it sounds silly to people who, you know, have never, don't understand it or anything like that. But you have to realize you're talking about people that they weren't, they didn't have to wake up one day and make a choice between being a doctor and being an autoworker. That wasn't their fucking options on the table. Their options on the table were be an autoworker, be able to send your kids to school and have a nice life, or go out and scramble for $6 and $7 an hour jobs for the rest of your life. six and seven dollar an hour jobs for the rest of your life you know and that's so guys who bought into that they bought into that whole dream that thing of you know and and the company pushed that you know we're in this together company and union and you know quality and all this other shit

and people bought into it and that was why there was such a big backlash when people figured out that, you know, no matter what the fuck you do on the line, it's not going to make a difference if the asshole up in Detroit decides to build a dog shit car. Or decides to, like, go buy fucking Jaguar and lose hundreds of millions of dollars on shit like that. And so that's how plants get closed. Yeah. And not only that, it just, we lost our plant because all our shit went to Mexico. Wow. I mean, it got to the point, and the reason why, our plant started, I want to say in 1958 was when it opened.

When you have a plant that fucking old, eventually, you know, it just gets to the point where it costs more to fix shit than it does to move it somewhere else. So why would you spend $200 million rehabbing a plant that's 50 years old when you could go down to Mexico, get out from under all the fucking retirement, all the, all the bullshit that, you know, has accrued here for right or wrong. And so they just finally were like, fuck it, we're done. So what Ford did was they actually formed a company. They kept all their plants that assembled cars under and called them Ford plants.

All their plants that built parts, if you didn't put a car together, if you put a car together, you were a Ford employee. If you didn't, they spun all their parts plants off, which didn't generate money. They were actually, so they spun all their parts plants off into a company called Visteon. GM did the same thing with Delphi. So they spin all these plants off and they say, okay, you're on your own now. We're going to give you your own company and you're going to have to go out and you have to make your own money, pay your own bills. But here's the fucking trick. These were Ford plants on Monday. On Tuesday, they're Visteon plants. So now they're on their own. They're on the open market. They

have to make their own money. But guess what? They've only got one customer, Ford fucking Motor Company, because that's who they made plans. They were Ford on Monday. So they always made parts for them. So now what happens, Ford comes to these companies before. They knew they were losing money when they spun them off to make parts at the cost that Ford was paying. And Ford says, you're going to have to do better on the price

or we're going to have to cut you off. And these are all Ford people. And so what happens is now they start cutting. And it just, it was, you know, it was a long way for them to close a bunch of plants. GM went through the same thing. And that's how they justify the moves to Mexico? Yeah. It's, you know, it was. Why did the cars suck? And that's how they justify the moves to Mexico? Yeah. Wow.

Why did the cars suck? The cars, I think a lot of it had to do, when I was there, the cars were dog shit in the 80s. What happened? Well, quality. I mean, Japan brought in the quality aspect of it. Right. The old saying, don't ever buy a car assembled on a friday you know you ever hear that shit like that you know that was detroit that was america that was the american auto industry in the 70s and 80s and then they were just fat living

high on the hog i mean they were just you know there was you'd hear stories about these guys they used to have show up no show jobs to where at one time our plant had like 5,000 employees there. When I worked there, we had like 2,200, and we were doing more work than the guys did in the 80s with 5,000. But they would have guys, they called them break-off jobs. So say you're working a 10-hour shift. You would go in, you would go in and work two hours, and then you'd break off. And the other guy would come in, and he would work two hours, and he'd break off. And you'd do that.

Because what it was is each job had a set rate. So what the thing is— I'm not understanding you. What do you mean by break off? Okay, say you're on a line, okay? Right. And you've got to take this fucking cup and put it here, pour some shit in it, and then put it there. What they would do is they would say that's a two-man job.

So one guy would take this cup and he would set it here. The other guy would pour some shit and then move it here. Now, eight hours a day. Well, one guy can do that. So for eight hours, you've got two men on this job. I would tell this guy, go get lost for two hours, and then I would do both jobs. And then he comes back? He'd come back, and then he would do both jobs.

And so that's how you do the eight hours you actually only work four? Yeah, exactly. Two shifts? Yeah. Wow. And those were called break-off jobs. And the plant was rife with them. That's interesting.

And then they went through and they killed all that shit, which they're supposed to. So a guy could, like, go to the gym, have lunch. Well, it got so fucking bad, guys were only doing a day on, a day off. They would come in, run their card to show they were there, and then jet. And then, you know, one guy would work Monday, one guy would work Tuesday,

one guy would work Wednesday. So you can understand in some ways... Oh, it's brutal....their need to get rid of American labor. Right. So they just decided. At that point, when it gets that bad, yeah, there has to be a correction. And I also lived in Kentucky, and I saw when Toyota came in there. Do you know how to pick your spots?

No, before I worked for Ford, when I was a kid, I went to college in Kentucky. And in the summers, I worked for a Toyota parts plant down there. So I saw that side of the auto industry before I ever saw the big money union side. And the way that worked was equally as fucked up, but on the other end of the scale. What they would do is they would hire temp workers, okay? And they would go in and you would do, you know, assembly work, whatever the fuck it was. And they would dangle this idea of a full time job in front of you

now this is in southeastern Kentucky where if you could make $15 an hour in 1993 you could live, you could own a house because the shit $40,000 a year there is a great wage because there's nothing

it's Walmart or nothing. Or, you know, you sell weed. That's it. But what they would do is they would hire these temps in, say, look, you got a 90-day probation period. You can work. If we like you, we'll hire you. You'll get benefits. You'll get all this bullshit.

Problem is, and they hired you through a temp agency. Problem is, they never fucking hired anybody. They'd work you for 89 days and then say, we don't need you tomorrow. Send you home and bring another guy in. So they never hired anybody. Oh, wow. They just kept their employee filled with temps. Yeah.

And then they would find their certain positions where they needed supervisors, quality guys, shit like that, skilled positions, and they would hire those people full time. But grunts on the line and shit like that, I mean, you were cannon fodder. It's really interesting because there's like a cause and effect. Things were out of control, but the counter effect of that is to just not have it up here at all yeah which is really interesting it's and i don't know where it's to me what it is is it's it's basically it's just we're losing the middle class we've lost it and i can see both arguments for that you know it's i'm kind of a guy like now what i do i go work in casinos and i have to work with unions and it makes me want to pull my fucking hair out it's the most brutal shit in the world.

Did you see the culinary union is in front of the Tropicana screaming at people? Right, yeah. See that video? I put it up on YouTube today. Dana White let me know about it. This culinary union has been trying to keep the UFC out of New York. New York's the last state, last holdout. And it's all because of the culinary union.

The culinary union is spending a shitload of money trying to keep the UFC. Because of the station casinos here, right? Yes. Because the same company that owns the UFC owns station casinos and they're non-union. And then their employees voted for them to be non-union, allegedly. Right. According to the information that I've read. I shouldn't say allegedly.

I should say to the best of my knowledge. They didn't want it to be union. They would have to pay union dues. If you get paid well by your company, you don't have to, you know. No, yeah. There's no use for it. They're like yelling at people while these people were going into this casino. They're telling people not to go in because the casino is not union.

So they're being bullies. They're, they're bullying people that are walking into the casino. That's just so, it's so unfortunate because it used to be that unions were there to make sure that people have a good wage and protect your rights and make sure that you get a fair share of your effort that helps build that business. It's a great idea, but like all great ideas, sometimes they get contaminated with cunts.

And that's cunts and the fact that people found out that it's a way to make easy money. Well, the amount of money that they would win if they had station casinos turn union like in the millions and billions a year. It's not even as much money. It is as much money, but as much as it is money,

it's power. Influence. Yeah, and voting. I mean, it really is a national thing. I remember every time because I was always, I mean, if I had to put a label on myself, I'm right. I would lean conservative. I would lean to the right. But I don't identify with either party. But the union, every election would come up and they would say, look, you got to vote for the Democrat no matter what.

Because if not, these Republicans, they're going to take your job. They're going to rape your children. You know, they're going to put your wife in the basement. And they were just and they were a single issue thing. And to me, you know, OK, yeah, if I vote for this, I vote for my job, but I'm also voting against almost everything else I believe in. So but if and if I don't go that way, then you're going to call me an asshole and I'm supposedly a union brother. You know what I mean? But if I decided to go a different way, now I'm a prick. Well, that becomes a problem in almost any organization when you have very controlled, you know, you have a controlled environment where

it's not based on the opinion of the masses. You're supposed to go with the way that the head of the snake wants to go. Exactly. It becomes a problem in every single organization. As soon as there's some sort of a struggle, rules are set down, everything becomes defined. Now it's an ideology. Now you're part of a tribe. Right. And now it goes bad.

Yeah. It's just we don't do good like that, man. It's us versus them. It's almost always it turns us versus them it's oh almost always it turns out shitty it's like you got to realize there's no them it's you know you make everybody us because it's it is possible as a human race to make everybody else doesn't have to be an us versus them it's just you have to find out the elements of society that are problematic and figure out how to fix them or root them out. But you know what? I think since time began, somewhere there was a fucking caveman standing on top of whatever the hill was.

It had the best shade and the cleanest water. And, you know, and that's. All day. And it's just. You look throughout the world. I mean, in America, we've been able to pretty it up, sand the edges off. We make it look nice, but it's the same shit. It's exactly the same shit.

When you see Obama decrying the use of chemical weapons, think about how many motherfuckers have died by drones. It's like, come on, son, that's ridiculous. What you're doing is ridiculous. It's okay to use robots that shoot hellfire missiles from the sky. Right. But it's not okay to use chemicals. Come on.

You're being a silly man. Yeah. And I agree. It's the same shit. I tell you what, man. I was really surprised that you got to hand it to Putin for how he handled that situation. He's gangster as fuck. I mean, he made Obama look like a child.

Well, he makes Obama look like a child on the regular. Did you hear about the time they met at this conference? They were supposed to meet at this conference, and Obama's people wanted the gym at the same time that Putin wanted the gym. And there was like a scheduling conflict. So Putin said, I don't give a shit. Let him have the gym. So he went swimming in the lake outside the gym. Putin jumps in the lake, and he's doing laps in the fucking lake out there with nature while obama's doing aerobics with scrunchie socks

i mean putin is gangster as fuck he goes fly fishing bare chested riding fucking buffaloes he's an animal yeah he's a savage and i don't know if that's good or bad i don't know if it's good or bad i guess it's bad if you're his enemy. There's a great documentary. I think it's the Canadian broadcast. CBC did, I think. It's called the Putin, Putin, whatever the fuck his name is. The Putin System. And it traces his history from the time he was in college to now.

And how he got to where he is. Look at that. Greetings from Russia. Right? He's out fishing and is. Look at that. Greetings from Russia. Right? He's out fishing and shit. Handsome bastard. Even while balding, somehow or another he manages to carry it well. But that program, I guess when he was in high school, he went to a KGB office and said,

I want to be in the fucking KGB. And the KGB said, we'll tell you who's going to be in the fucking KGB. But if you are, this is what we're looking for. So he went to college and basically followed the guidance he was given. And sure enough, they tapped him when he was in college and he went into the KGB. The old school, this is Russia. Missiles pointed at us, you know, shit.

But that's how he got his start. And people that are a lot fucking smarter than me that have been all over the world and I pay attention to what they say, all say that this guy is a problem. I mean, he's going to be a fucking issue. And if you look at what he's done the last 15 years, you know, I mean, he was president of Russia and then term limits kick in or whatever. And he's like, OK, I can't be president. I'll be fucking prime minister. And so he has a he elects his buddy, you know, president or whatever.

His term ends and he goes, OK, I'm going to be president again. So, I mean, this guy, he's just he's a he's a fucking gangster and he needs to be respected but there's i've noticed in the u.s it's like there's there's this feeling that oh he's a cool guy yeah you know he's this you know he's not a cool guy well there's a lot of confusion in the u.s amongst uh what i'll call progressive kids um it It's young people that their heart is in the right place and they have some good ideas about the inequalities of the world, but they approach them in a very strange way. Like people in, progressive people will consistently talk about Islamophobia

and they will talk about how, you know, the, the, the restrictions on people's religious freedoms that are Muslim, uh, people, uh, that are Islamic, that this is like a really horrendous piece of racism. Yet they will openly criticize Christianity. Oh yeah. Openly, mockingly criticize criticize Christianity. Oh, yeah, yeah. Openly, mockingly criticize Mormonism. Sure. Openly, mockingly criticize.

And it's like as any smart person would know, blank. Right. But yet, Islam is because these people are brown, because the idea that they've been marginalized, because many people that are from that culture are not violent at all, just like many Christians are not violent at all, and they should not be defined by the most radical aspects of their religion. I agree with that wholeheartedly 100%, but I don't ever see progressive people

getting on people for making fun of Christians. It's like it's de rigueur. It's part of the program. Everybody's got to have their whipping boy. Yeah, it's de rigueur. Right. It's part of the program. Yeah. Everybody's got to have their whipping boy, you know? Yeah. It's interesting. That was kind of one of the things that – I don't know what it is in this country. It seems in particular with the whole fucking hipster thing, which, you know.

But it seems like, you know, when I was, and I don't want to get into the, because I am getting to be an old motherfucker, but, you know, to me, when I was raised up, it was, you know, you were taught that it was okay to be proud of where you're from, of where you grew up, and the struggles. And, you know, you were taught fucking history. You know, I mean, I look now, I talk to some kids, like high school kids, friends of mine's kids that are 13, 14, 15 years old. And I ask them, you know, you know, just about any kind of American history. And some of the shit they tell me just blows my fucking mind. Most of it is what

they don't know, you know, and they all know almost nothing right and how it's all being tilted and i'll tell you here's a perfect fucking example there's a great video i was watching and it was a guy giving a talk on the constitution and he asked he had a room full of this guy it was a class and a firearm school so you've got a bunch of right wing fucking, you know, the left would say God loving gun toting these guys, you know, constitutional guys, you would think. So he says, he starts off and he asks, you know, basically name me the four members of the Simpsons family. Everyone in that fucking place could name him all four members of the Simpsons. He said, now, name me the four rights guaranteed you under the First Amendment of the Constitution. Nobody could do it.

These are adults. I couldn't do it. I could name you three, but I couldn't name you four. What's the fourth? What are they? The right to petition your government for redress, right to assembly, freedom of the press, freedom of religion. Those are the four rights guaranteed you under the First Amendment. for redress, right to assembly, freedom of the press, freedom of religion. Hmm. Those are the four rights guaranteed you under the First Amendment.

Isn't it fascinating that even back then they were engineering against tyranny? Fuck yes, they were. They knew. They're like, listen, this could get bad. Like, we have a good idea right now, and we're establishing it here right now, but this could get bad. If it gets infected with the very cunts that are infecting it right now if you go back and you look at the shit they did and what happens is everybody you know the people on the other side of this marginalize it because they say oh well they own slaves

oh well okay four-fifths of a man or whatever you know and they marginalize all the good shit by the bad shit you know and and that's true yeah some of the shit they did didn't make sense but that doesn't mean the shit that they did do that does make sense is irrelevant well it doesn't make sense today and that's what people have to understand there's things that we do today that will be considered barbaric a thousand years from now there's no doubt about it absolutely there's privatized prisons will be considered barbaric a thousand years from now. There's no doubt about it. Absolutely. There's privatized prisons will be looked down upon with incredible contempt and scorn. Privatized prisons will go down in history as one of the most ignored, horrific injustices.

The idea that people can profit and that they can spend their money to make sure that people get locked up more often so that they can profit it's incredibly insane there's a lot of shit that's going to go down in our future into the future of human beings where this day will be criticized openly for human rights violations right all the shit that we're we're talking about earlier where you're allowing people to work you know in a foreign country third world country for a fraction of the amount of money that it would take there you're ensuring poverty you know taking full a foreign country, third world country, for a fraction of the amount of money that it would take. You're insuring poverty, you know, taking full advantage on disenfranchised human beings.

That's going to be looked in the future upon, you know, they're going to look on that like that's a horrific thing, just like slavery. But you know what? At the same time, you know, if you're a guy in China and your options are maybe starve to death if the fucking rains don't come that year or go work for, you know, a dollar a day in a Nike factory and live in a dormitory and work your ass off from dawn to dusk, but you're going to eat, you know, it's, you know, one of the best things that I, I was watching, I forget what the fuck it was, but a guy, it wasn't Thomas Friedman. Maybe it was Friedman.

But he was talking about, like, what's going on in China right now. It's like the last 100 years of American history all going on at the same time. Wow. Because you're going from an agrarian, in certain parts of the country, it's going from an agrarian society to where basically it was almost subsistence farming. They would raise crops. They would sell crops. And that's what they did. You went up.

You worked every day so you didn't fucking starve in the winter. And then you've got other parts that are going through almost the early 1900s with the Industrial Revolution and all the problems that go through that. And then you go to certain parts of it, and it's cutting-edge 21st century technology and finance and everything else. But you've got all this going on in one country. And that's kind of like a microcosm of what's going on all over the world when you go to these certain places like Malaysia or Bangladesh or some of these other fucked up countries, you know, can you blame a guy for going and sewing shoes for a dollar a day if his only option is to starve to death? No, I totally understand. And is the guy who comes and brings that job, you know, is he a complete fucking asshole for doing it? Or, you know. Yeah, no, there's that argument.

It's that's like many things in life. There's no real black and white. I don't know the answer. I mean, it's like to me, I see if you're a hardcore capitalist and I believe in capitalism, then it's, you know, then you, you know, if the smart that can adapt and improvise and adapt will prosper. Yeah.

And if a perfect example like me, you know, I mean, I was a fucking auto worker. And it was a mindless job. It was retarded how much money they paid us to do this shit. I'll be the first one to tell you. $32 an hour to take this and go like that. I mean, over and over and over. It was fucking crazy. And benefits better than almost anyone in the country.

From the time I was born until December of 2006, I almost never paid a doctor bill. Wow. Because I was covered under that program. That's incredible. Yeah. Eyeglasses, all pretty much free. I mean, just everything. How much more money must they be making now than they were making back then?

I don't know. The profit margins must be insane. You would think. I mean, I haven't kept up with the auto industry because it was one of those things to where I lived it every day. At one point when I was there, you could ask the dumbest, toothless-looking motherfucker on the floor what the stock price that day, and he could probably tell you. Wow. Because there was profit sharing. Wow.

So the stock was up. We're getting a check. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah. And everybody was like, you know what, man? These Mexicans are not going to get a check. They're going to get a dollar an hour and no check.

And the rest of that money goes to us. Well, one of the things that they used to tell us, and I don't know, I've never seen a fucking Mexican auto plant. But they said that one of the biggest differences when you looked at a Mexican auto plant compared to an American auto plant, Mexican auto plants don't have parking lots. Because their workers don't own cars. They don't drive. They bus them in. They bus them in or they walk. Something happened, man.

I don't know what the fuck happened, but something absolutely happened in the design aspect of American cars where they went from the coolest looking fucking things of all time to shit in 10 years. I think it was corporate. If you go back and you look at the cool fucking cars, Zora Duntov with the Corvette, Carroll Shelby. If you're a weirdo, you go into the 50s. Yeah.

If you're a weirdo. Yeah. But if you're a regular guy who appreciates a muscle car, you stay in the 60s to about 73. Right. Well, that was the—was it Cafe? Was that what it was? 73, they came out with that fucked up Chevelle. Yeah.

Like the Chevelle that looked like shit. With the Mustang II and all that bullshit in like the early, mid-70s. But that was insurance and gas. You know, it's when they made them put in the—you couldn't have a car that got four miles to the gallon anymore, you know it's right when they made them put in the you couldn't have a car that got four miles to the gallon anymore you know yeah they the catalytic converters and then switching to unleaded gasoline that was all that all uh harmed the muscle cars you know i was thinking about it today about on the way over here um you know you hear all like now that you know government shut down all this shit and people are saying, you know, the United States could default on the debt and we could all end up fucked.

And you hear all the gloom and doom scenarios. But I was thinking about it and I thought, you know what, man, I'm old enough to remember gas lines. You know, I was a kid. I was a little kid. But I remember that. And I remember people talking about it. And just, you know, when everybody was out of work Carter was president, you know, I was born in 73. So I remember I'm you know, like five six years old shit like that

but You know, and it's not that bad yet. No, but the difference is With social media everyone's so much more connected now Because back then you know, the only time you got your global fix was at 30 minutes at night between 5 and 5.30 or 6 o'clock when the news was on. And now you can't fucking get away from it. It must have been so easy to run the world back then. Right. Think about it.

And they still got busted with that Oliver North thing. And it was still on TV, even back then, which is hard to believe because it must have been so easy to hide shit, and it still just blew up in their faces. Well, I'm reading a book right now called The Way of the Knife, and it's a book about how basically we're talking about the drone shit and to where the it's kind of the cia boondoggles of the 60s like they were trying to poison fucking castro and all this other bullshit and congress basically called him on it so i forget was it ford i can't remember the president but basically wrote the presidential order that says no fucking assassination.

You know, you assholes can no one in the you can't assassinate another foreign official. It's illegal. No more. And that was to stop all the bullshit with the CIA. And because they were kind of running rogue there, not only with Castro, but in other parts of the world. Because they were kind of running rogue there, not only with Castro, but in other parts of the world. And it goes on. And then the guy makes a pretty interesting progress of how we got from that to after September 9-11. It was like, okay, let's burn that motherfucker because now we're killing everybody. Let's burn that motherfucker because now we're killing everybody. And so, and that's where we are today with this shit to where, and what's crazy is Bush, I was talking to a dude.

He was an instructor at a training class I was at. And ex-Special Forces guy, did like 20 years. One of the most intelligent dudes I've ever met. Been all over the world, done everything fucking twice. And we were talking about it. He goes, you know, people bitch about Obama, about, you know, he's weak on this, weak on that. But when Bush was in office, they had like, I think, 30 or 40 drone strikes in Pakistan. And then when Obama came in, hundreds. They were killing motherfuckers like it's free and he's just like you know so the guys are on the ground doing this shit are like fuck yeah

you know and it's it's crazy though there's a fucking target list there's a list that if your fucking name is on it and you're in pakistan you're fucked yeah missiles are coming from the sky right exactly find out where you are missiles are coming from the sky and you ain't gonna make it and and a lot of times fucking obama has to check off on that yeah and the amount of people that get killed that you're supposed to kill versus the amount of people that accidentally get killed, boy, is that a shocking number. 98% the wrong people. Is it? Yes.

Yes. That's what I've read. I mean, obviously, I'm not out there fucking counting bodies. I'm not giving you the most accurate readings humanly possible. I'm getting it based on a bunch of different things that I've read online, but don't know accurate sources i i could see that there's a lot of fuck-ups but it's in the 90s i'm gonna guess that you know i don't know maybe but i could definitely see six guys being in a car and one of them being the guy i There's a lot of guilt by association going on. There is no doubt about that.

And there's no doubt about that if they get a chance to take you out and you happen to be with your friends, this is a time of war. And they're not going to miss out on that opportunity. There's a certain amount of casualties that are factored into every war. And that's just a fact of life. And if you're a key target, that's a wrap sign. We have this new thing. It's called a drone.

It shoots hellfire missiles. Hello, hellfire missile. Hellfire missile. You gangster motherfuckers. That was one of the things that they were talking about in this book about how they were able. You know, Pakistan has been playing the United States since this shit began. Because, I mean, the Taliban was created by fucking Pakistan.

I thought the Taliban came out of the Mujahideen. No, the Taliban was basically created and ran by the ISI. Did Al Qaeda come out of the Mujahideen? Yes. And the Taliban is a branch of Al Qaeda, right? No. And the Taliban is a branch of al-Qaeda, right? No.

The Taliban was set up basically by Pakistan after Russia pulled out of Afghanistan. There was fucking nobody to run it. It's warlords, you know, Wild West. The ISI, the Pakistani Intelligence Service, put together and backed this group, called themselves the Taliban, basically fundamentalist guys, helped them gain power, consolidate power in Afghanistan. The reason was the biggest thing, Pakistan doesn't give a fuck about Afghanistan, about anything. The only thing they give a shit about is India. Pakistan is scared to fucking death of India.

And if we see a nuclear war in our time, it will probably be between India and Pakistan is scared to fucking death of India. And if we see a nuclear war in our time, it will probably be between India and Pakistan is my bet. But so what they didn't want, if you look at a map, where the fuck is Afghanistan? India's here. Afghanistan's on the back door of Pakistan. So what Pakistan doesn't want, what they can't afford is to have an Indian client state and have India on two borders. So the Taliban was their way around that. The Taliban ran, controlled Afghanistan. They didn't run it because there's parts of that fucking country that you can't run.

But so that was what the Taliban was basically their strongman that they put in. Well, they fucked up when bin Laden came in and they sheltered him and did all this shit and they pissed off America. So now here comes America in October of 2001, you know, and just raises holy hell, goes up, gets a northern alliance, pushes them out. alliance pushes them out well during all this shit was going on pakistan's flying fucking taliban leaders out before they can get captured by the u.s the whole time they're telling the u.s oh yeah go get this guy go get that guy so pakistan has always given up the aq guys i mean the conspiracy theory side is that the government allowed those people to leave. No, absolutely. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's kind of everybody I know, I mean, that I've talked to. That they knew those guys and that this is all part of their relationship with the Middle East.

Well, they want, you know, Pakistan is not, they'll give up the foreign fighters. You know, the assholes that are coming in, the Al-Qaeda guys, stuff like that. I mean, they've proven that. They've captured Al-Qaeda guys, stuff like that, they've proven that. They've captured Al-Qaeda guys and turned them over to the U.S. They have a history of that. They have a history of throwing the U.S. a bone because they know they can't just go. It's going to be one or the other. Well, I think that there's a lot of profit in war, especially if it stays active.

I think the idea of completely resolving all the issues that you have and ending the war is not very profitable. And that's a fact. Look, one of the most profitable things ever in the history of humanity is the drug war. Fuck. The drug war does not have an ending. It's sick. There's no resolution. It's never going to happen.

You're never going to stop people, especially with the hypocritical attitude that we have as a culture where we allow certain drugs. And often those drugs are the more dangerous ones. We allow those to be legal. But the more peaceful, enlightening, opening drugs that allow you to step outside of your normal predetermined patterns of behavior and sort of look at the world for what it really is. Those are the ones that are illegal. It's a clear sign of a society repressed. And when a society is repressed, it fucking revolts. It has a freak out. To me, I think it all comes down.

I don't give a fuck whatever the substance or item, whatever it is that the government says you can't have. It's about, you know, like I'm a gun guy. So that's my issue. You know, gun control is not about guns. It's about control. It's the same. Jamie, can we get some eyes? It's the same shit with drugs.

Yeah. And what's crazy to me, what blows my fucking mind. Perfect example, okay. I'm driving today from Vegas, all right? There's this arbitrary fucking line in the desert between Nevada and California, okay? Now, in Nevada, I have a concealed carry permit. I can carry a gun legally, exercise my Second Amendment right. It's bullshit that I have to pay money and go through a class and to jump through these hoops to exercise this right in the first place, but I can exercise it if I play their game. Now, if I'm standing on this side of the line, I'm a hundred percent fucking legal.

If I step over this line, I'm going to jail for the same shit. Now it's the same way with drugs. If you've got a bag of weed in California and you've got the right card from the right doctor, you're straight. Yeah, but if you go to Texas with that shit. They will hang you. They will fuck you up. Are you in favor of any laws as far as regulation of who gets firearms? I think we've got plenty, man. We've got plenty.

But you are in favor of background checks and shit like that. Yeah. like regulation of who gets firearms i think we've got plenty man we got plenty if you but you you are in favor of like background checks and shit like that yeah yeah i mean it's i should say yeah i mean i don't i think so you're such a gun nut no i should say yeah most people at right home like all the liberal freaks right now what i'm no peace love 69 on I mean, I can see it and I don't disagree with that. But if I could rule the world, I would have no problem with instant background checks. It shouldn't cost a dime. Up until in Las Vegas, in Nevada, if you buy a gun, it costs you $25 to pay for a background check. Right.

Now, that background check consists of someone in a government office somewhere typing your name in a computer. That's it. And if you get a hit, they'll deny you. And then you have three days to appeal. But if you don't, they say, he's good. So you're against the fact that it costs $25. That and the fact, I don't have a problem with instant checks. I think that's fair. And I

do agree with that. But what I have a problem with is the fact that You love guns. No, that's not it. It's just the fact that if I charged you I don't know, if I charged you, I don't know, if I charged you a fee for every podcast you put up because you're exercising your first

amendment right. And we have to make sure, Joe, that you're using this right correctly, that you're not inciting any violence or trying to incite any, you know, you could do any damage to the establishment. I see what you're saying. And so, but to me, it comes down to, and one thing I have a big problem with, and it's something that if you're not a gun guy, you never even fucking pay attention to. But it's this thing called the NFA, National Firearms Act, the registry. And what that is, there's these arbitrary laws that say, okay, if you want to own a suppressor, a silencer, something like that, or a fully automatic weapon, whatever, you can do that. If it's legal in your state, you're perfectly fine to be able to do that. But you have to pay the government 200 bucks. So if you pay the government 200 bucks, we'll give you this shit.

So if you pay the government 200 bucks, we'll give you this shit. And also you have to give up the right to let anybody from the ATF come into your home anytime they want to check on that. So if you do this, you can have this. You can have fucking damn near anything. I mean machine guns,.50 caliber machine guns. You can have anything. I know guys that have got any fucking thing you can dream up as long as you're willing to pay the government. Now, to me, that's bullshit.

I see what you're saying. I see the point, but I also see the point that you have to regulate. You have to keep aware of who the fucking crazy people are. Keep guns away from nutty people. I don't have a problem with keeping guns away from nutty people. Right, but you have to have employees that do that. They have to search that. That's fine. It costs money to do that. So let's do that. But are we doing that now? We're not. No. You know why? You can't keep guns away from nutty people because medical records are

restricted. Yeah. Is that what it is? I think you can keep some guns away from some nutty people. And here's, well, the only way is if they're adjudicated by a judge and there's a public record of it and it goes in a record. But most cases, like almost all these shootings, like if you look at all of – and this is what fires people up about guns is the mass shootings. And it's completely understandable. But for the most part, if you look at the guys who are doing these shootings, they're nuts. They're fucked up. Now, if you start looking at the number of people who do these shootings that are on some type of drug. Huge.

So if we're really trying to stop, are we going after the tool or are we trying to stop the tool or are we trying to stop the act? Because which one is it? No, it's a very good point. I've said it many times. And so, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm probably not the right guy to get up here and talk about what should and shouldn't be with guns. I mean, you know, I'll be the first to admit I'm biased. But I'm also the same guy that will stand up here and tell you I think every drug on earth should be legal.

Yeah, but you know what? I mean, when you say you're not the right guy, this is what I believe. I believe there is no right guy. I think that your ideas of what should and shouldn't be legal are different than other people's ideas and what you'll tolerate are different than things are different than people who, you know, otherwise would have, you know have agreements with you about everything. But there might be certain things, certain behaviors that you're used to that they can't handle. People are fucking different, man. I don't think there's any right or wrong. But I think the real issue is a guy like you, who's not a bad guy, who is a gun enthusiast,

also realizes he's aware that there's a lot of fucking bad things in the world, and I would rather be protected than not be protected. Very simply. Well, in therein lies probably my... That's your number one beef. My thing is I do not expect the government to protect me. It's not their job. If you get robbed, raped, beaten, or killed, your family or you cannot sue the police because they didn't protect you.

It's not the police's job. It's not the state's job to protect you as an individual. You can't sue the cops if you get beat up, if you get attacked, if you get shot because they weren't there to protect you. You cannot do that because that's not their job. So to me, I'm fine with that. I got no problem with that. I don't expect it. So if that's the case, don't restrict me from my ability to take care of myself and my family. And, you know, don't restrict me from having the tools to do that and be that whatever that tool could be. Right. The issue is only in people who are psychotic, who are criminals, who are—that's the only issue.

The issue is not— And therein you touch an issue that's a big thing with me is criminals, who are, that's the only issue. The issue is not. And therein you touch an issue that's a big thing with me is criminals. Okay. Perfect example. Most of these shootings that have taken place, have taken place, almost all of them, even if the gun was bought legally, you know, the guns were banned in that theater in Colorado.

You know, the military, the shooting that just took place at the Navy Yard, gun-free zone, you know, Newtown, a school. You know, I mean, in Nevada, if you're a parent driving to pick up your son or daughter, if you just pick them up in the school, as soon as you enter that school yard, even if you're a licensed CCW carrier, you've jumped through every hoop the state says you have to jump through, a background check, a training course, an actual proficiency test where you have to shoot your gun for score. If you do all those actions, but yet you drive onto the school grounds to pick up your child, you never get out of your car. If you have the gun on you or in your car, you're a criminal. You cannot bring a gun onto that school's premises. You can't even have it in your car when you pick up your kid. So now to me, if I'm a parent, I'm not a parent. I don't have kids. But if I did, I'm going to be a criminal because if some asshole starts to shoot up a school or somewhere, anything like that, you know, I at least, and I'm not the guy sitting here saying a gun's going to solve everything,

because chances are it's probably not, but it's an option you have. If you don't have it, you don't have the option. You know what you are? You're a sheep just hoping you don't get shot. You know, you have an option to fight back, But if the state says, you do not have that option, you must sit there and take it. You must be a victim. That's where I have a problem. The problem is the reality of the world that we live in. The problem is not the utopian possibilities of everybody being completely gun-free. That's the real problem with the idea of gun control, is that you like, who's, you're going to control who?

The people that abide by your laws? Do you really think there's enough people out there to go out there and find the fucking guns that are in people's homes and trucks? Well, it's, it's, number one, it's completely impossible. If you pass the law tomorrow and said, guns are illegal, you couldn luck. You couldn't build prisons fast enough. It just makes criminals out of regular people. And it's, you know, to me, I just, I'm of the opinion that, you know, you can't stop a guy from being an asshole.

Well, it's not even just an asshole. It's what you were talking about earlier. It's like a rabid dog. Yeah. I mean, if something, this shit is going to happen, man. And I think two things. I think the drugs have a part to do with it, bigger than people give credit for. I really believe that.

And the other thing is I think the media feeds it because they give these assholes instant celebrity. And you see this. of these assholes instant celebrity and you see this and i think the spree's perfect example man chris dorner were you in la when this asshole was running around yeah he wrote a goddamn you know i knew that dude freakiest shit ever yeah i mean it was i mean i didn't he wasn't like my buddy for folks who don't know he he he killed a cop's kid and her boyfriend and killed a bunch of cops, like pulled up to them at red lights. He shot up two different incidents he shot up cops. I think he might have killed one cop.

And he was a former police officer. He was fired and decided to. Former LAPD guy. Decided he was going on a fucking ramp. Going on a rampage, rather. But he was a on a fucking rant. Going on a rampage, rather. But he was a Navy guy as well. But this dude, I had met him actually in a gun store in Vegas. He used to hang out, or not hang, I don't know if you'd call it hang out or whatever.

But he was, where I bought a lot of stuff in Las Vegas, he bought shit from there as well. Actually, some of the shit that he used in his little rampage. But when I saw him on the news, I was like, God damn, that dude looks familiar, man. Because when I saw him in Vegas, I always assumed he was military because they get a lot of military guys in there because Nellis and some of the other bases that are around Vegas, a lot of military guys come in and do shit. But, uh, I was like, man, that guy looks familiar. And sure enough,

my friend who was a manager at that store called me up and he was like, dude, that's fucking Chris. I sold him that shit. But, but here's the thing. He went through all the legal requirements. Yeah. And not only did he go through the legal requirement of just a background check, he went through the shit I told you about where you have to pay a $200 tax stamp. Well, here's the other trick. Right now, the backlog on that is six to nine months long to buy a short-barreled rifle or a suppressor.

So you can go in, you pay for the shit, you pay your $200 to the government, and then you wait six months. And it takes them that long to do the paperwork. Wow. And then they send the stamp back. It's a tax stamp. And they send it back and then you can have whatever the hell it is that you paid for. But this guy did that. So he, you can't get, you know, this crazy bastard went through the most strenuous process the federal government comes up with. It's the process they have for selling fully automatic weapons. He went through that.

And he passed it all. And there's no way, there was nothing in this guy's past that would have thrown up a red flag for anything. I mean, he had security clearances through the military. He was a goddamn LAPD cop. But he was fired from the LAPD for excessive violence, right? No. From what I understand, he was fired because it was a – if I remember right, and I'm sure people – I mean, look it up,

but he was fired because his training officer basically said he wasn't suitable is what I understood. Was it he basically, no, no, was it false complaint? That's what it was. He went to his bosses and said his partner had used unnecessary force or whatever. Oh, that's right. That's right. Used unnecessary force. And then he ratted somebody out.

He ratted out and then the department fired him because they said he was lying. Whoa. But it turns out evidently he wasn't lying. Whoa, that's so crazy. They took a regular, like, super cop, turned him into a killer with one little case like that. But that was what was kind of funny was the media was playing this guy up as some kind of super trained, you know, he was John Rambo.

But if you look at the shit he did, and, you know, I'm fortunate through shooting and some other things that I've done to know and have some friends and a community of guys, soft guys and things like that. Soft guys? Soft is an acronym for Special Operations Forces. Use the acronym that 99.999% of the people don't know.

Soft is an acronym that stands for Special Operations Forces, and that's kind of an umbrella acronym for, you know, Rangers, Special Forces, SEALs, things like that. And each one of those has their own terms. Like SF is Special Forces. A lot of times people will come. The media is terrible for this. They'll say Special Forces and they mean Special Operations Forces. Like Special Operations Forces can be a SEAL team. this. They'll say special forces and they mean special operations forces. Like special operations

forces can be a SEAL team. Special forces is an army specific unit. It's actually a branch of service. But what I was getting back to was I was talking, I know I'm fortunate to know some of these guys and they were all kind of laughing that, you know, if this guy was really trained, the LAPD would be fucked because the shit that he did do was bad, but the way he got caught, the things he was doing is not the shit a trained guy does. I mean, and he could have done a lot more damage to, I mean, look at the D.C. snipers. Remember that case?

Malvo? Yeah. You know, Malvo and that kid. And, I mean, they shut down D.C. And it was two guys and one rifle. And, you know, if this guy was literally, you know, if he was the John Rambo the media was trying to play him up as,

we'd have been a hell of a lot higher body count. He was just a fucking whack job. It was a whack job to decide to go to the mountains. Who the fuck ever gets out of the mountains? Whoever goes to the mountains trying to flee from the law, that's the worst place you can go. You want to go to the valley, son. You want to go to the place where you can move around. You don't want to go to the one place where there's a peak.

You can't go any higher. He got up there and he fucked his truck up. Yeah. And it was just – How did he fuck his truck up? He broke an axle. How did he do that? I guess he was trying to get somewhere.

I just read. I didn't go any farther than – Then he lit his truck on fire, right? Yeah, and left his weapons and shit in the truck. Wow. And then the crazy part, though, was he hid out in a cabin that was literally right across the street from the command post. That's a good move.

Do you remember that? So they were searching all around him, and he was in the cabin almost right across the street from the command post. That area is very unusual. You ever been up to Big Bear? No. It's very unusual. A lot of fighters go up there.

They do their training camps. Yeah, it's really good for your conditioning. But it's a strange place. It's nice, nice folks, but it's just weird. Going back to kind of what I was talking about with my idea of the government not having a responsibility to protect the individual, if you look at the Boston bombing, these two guys with the Boston bombing, they shut down a whole fucking major U.S. city. I mean, they were canceling, like, major sports games and shit that night.

And to me, instead of having this mentality of everybody go inside, shelter in place, you know, cower, Everybody go inside, shelter in place, you know, cower, and then we're going to send in the fucking cops and their armored personnel carriers. And, I mean, it looked like Iraq. If you look at some of the photos that were taken during that time period, it looks like Iraq. I mean, these guys are wearing fucking body armor and multicam carrying M4s on the streets of a U.S. city. And they're looking for two assholes with a fucking pressure cooker bomb. And they shut down the whole city. And they're telling people, don't come out of your house.

Be scared. You know, to me, wouldn't it be better to say, you know what? If you see this fucking asshole, call us. Yeah, but call us means shoot him. Yeah. And I thought it was him, officer. Well, but what's gonna get said better that than than cower unless it's your kid i ate but i don't know about better that i don't know about better that i agree with you to a certain extent and i certainly agree with you with your ability to be protected you don't think that it can't go

the other way it certainly can can. What if your kid happens to be brown and look like that dude in the hoodie? And he's out walking when they tell everybody to be inside and be scared? As if everything that we've said, from the beginning to the end, there's no... There's a gray area. There's no black and white in any of these things.

The real problem is human behavior. What it boils down to is not weapons and tools and equipment. It's human behavior. What it boils down to is not weapons and tools and equipment. It's human behavior. Because every fucking hardware store has an axe. How many axe murders do you hear about every year? Anybody could fuck you up with an axe. A guy could walk into a grocery store,

and how many people could he kill with the axe before you stop him? Probably quite a few. Oh, yeah. And I wrote this on Twitter, and I'll say it again. Your quote was perfect. We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a security problem disguised as a tyranny problem, or a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.

I fucked up my own quote. That was a great quote. I remember when you wrote that. Well, it's true. It's a mental health problem. There's no doubt about it because I have guns. Almost all of my friends have guns. I don't understand the idea that it's a gun issue. It's not a gun issue. Guns are tools. It's the issue of implementing those tools in a horrible, horrific way. Same

thing you can do with your car. If you're so inclined, anybody can do, there was an old man that, uh, he just, you know, freaked out or whatever, and just ran over a bunch of people in Santa Monica a couple of years ago. It was a horrific, horrific story. But any crazy person could do that too. Just like they could shoot you. They could kill just as many people with a car much quicker by just plowing into a crowd. It's so easy to do.

They could possibly – How much damage could you do with a two-liter bottle of gasoline in a movie theater? Oh, Jesus. Yeah. I mean if your intent is to do harm – There's a lot of weapons. damage could you do with a two liter bottle of gasoline in a movie theater oh jesus yeah i mean you know if your intent is to do harm there's a lot of weapons and hurt people then that's it but my whole thing goes back to the mindset that you know if somebody doesn't want to take on the responsibility or and it's got nothing to do with guns. It's a mindset of being able to take responsibility for your own safety.

Yeah. You know, and if somebody doesn't want to do that, they want to delegate that to the state, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. But telling me that I have to do that is where I have a big, giant problem. I totally understand what you're saying, but I think there's the reality of human beings that requires a certain amount of filtering to make sure that shitheads, it's less frequent. You're going to get a few that get through no matter what you do. But I think that it's

not a bad thing to just be just a little bit diligent about who you fucking allow to have guns. And that's fine because, I mean, if it stopped right now today, if you looked at the gun laws on the books, and that's the other thing. You mean if it didn't get any more restrictive? Yeah. If it stopped. All you gun guys are all like, suppression, if it stopped today.

It's fucking crazy. Well, here's why. It's because the anti-gunners, whatever you want to call them, they always talk about we need to compromise. We should come to a compromise. But here's the compromise. They never give anything up. I mean it's always one more thing they're taking away.

And this has been going on since the 30s. And depending on – I'm not a guy – I mean on principle, in theory, I'm kind of, I am, call libertarian, whatever the hell you want to call it, but I am of the mind that pretty much anything goes. I mean, it should go. And if you fuck up, you deserve to get hammered, whether that's drugs, guns, whatever. Prostitution. Anything.

Say it. Say it. Exactly. Fucking say it. Who's to say a woman can't sell her ass if she wants to?itution. Anything. Say it. Say it. Exactly. Fucking say it. Who's to say a woman can't sell her ass if she wants to? Yeah. I mean, it's her body. Especially if she can actually get money for it.

Exactly. And so. Why can't you give, you can give massages? Why isn't that illegal? Well, in Vegas it's not illegal. It's just as pleasurable. But I mean a massage. Yeah.

A massage is, you know, just as intimate. Oftentimes a suck of your dick. Or a humming blowjob through the pants. Hum. Hum. Yeah, look, you and I are on the same page with almost everything. You're a little more gun-nutty than me, but that's all right. I'm pretty gun-nutty.

I understand it. I see where you're coming from. You're coming from the fact that they work for you, and you don't want anybody fucking with your life. And that's a rational, almost an American value. The idea, leave me the fuck alone. Right. And that's sort of slipping away.

And I will stand up and I would be more than happy to defend the guys. I'll stand up and say, you know what? I respect and defend the right for someone to say I don't agree with what I'm saying or that I'm an asshole. No problem. Okay, you have the right to say that. But where it's – to me that it stops is that when people force me to delegate my ability to protect myself and the state will not take up that slack. They can't. Not only they can't and they won't and they shouldn't, but people saying to me, you know, you don't have, we are going to take away your ability to protect yourself in the, in, in the name of the off chance that, you know, this may prevent something.

And everyone knows that it won't because you know why? Criminals don't follow the fucking law. Dirt. Crazy, right? Well, laws in and of themselves are very strange in that, is that a helicopter? Yes, it is. We've been talking too much real shit. Told you, bro.

The man done got scared. You didn't turn off your NSV. Black helicopters! If Alex Jones was in here right now, he'd rattle off some statistics. You'd be amazed. You'd be amazed how many people being watched by black helicopters

have no idea! Dude, that shit when the Dorner thing was going on. Yeah. I don't follow Alex Jones at all. But you followed him then? Somehow through there. And the way I started following him, kind of paying attention, was because of that fucking correspondent he had at the press conferences that the cops were doing. Did you see that?

No. It was fucking hilarious. These cops are standing up. And, you know, you could tell the whole fucking city of L.A. was scared to death. And not only that, but the cops are lighting up Mexican women in a white truck for no fucking – because it might look like what he was driving. That's funny. So, I mean, the whole fucking city is flipping out, going trigger happy with the cops.

But this cop is giving a fucking rundown of, youown of trying to be very precise and all this shit. And some correspondent, he's like from Infowars or whatever, stands up and asks the most asinine. I can't even remember. It was so stupid. It was like, how do you say that Chris Dorner was a plant and all this other bullshit? Or was it the Boston bombings? It was the Boston bombings. It wasn't Dorner.

It was Boston bombings. Okay. It was Boston bombings. I'm sorry. I got them confused. You confused the fuck out of me? It was the Boston Bombings. It wasn't Dorner. It was Boston Bombings. Okay. It was Boston Bombings. I'm sorry. I got them confused. You confused the fuck out of me. It was the Boston Bombings. It was a Boston.

But you remember what I'm talking about with the press conference? Yeah. That guy standing up saying that they were, that's what it was, saying they were plants, saying that it was the guys in the windbreakers or whatever. Yeah. There was a lot of weirdness when it came to those Boston Bombings. That was very weird. There were so many people that were crying out that it was a false flag and there was a lot of weirdness when it came to those Boston bombings. That was very weird. There were so many people that were crying out that it was a false flag,

and there was so much disinformation and misinformation. To what end? See, I'm not a conspiracy guy. I'm not either, but I was just aware of how much of it was being perpetrated online and how many people were getting the timeline wrong. So they're showing these guys who were responding and saying that these guys were waiting before it ever happened, that they already knew about it. There's so much incorrect information.

It's weird when that kind of shit happens. That's something that I really learned a lot about when I did this sci-fi show, the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show. I learned a lot about the mind of people who just automatically think that things are not on the up and up. Right. And the real issue is that sometimes things aren't on the up and up. That's a fact.

It's a fact. I believe it's a fact, but I think more often than not, people look for it. It's not so much it's on the up and up because there's a conspiracy. It's on the up and up because people don't know what the fuck's going on

and they make shit up to fill the space. There's definitely that. There's definitely some of that. But then there's also real instances throughout history where false flags have been perpetrated and it becomes a real problem because you try to figure out what's what. And there's a lot of people that get involved in

these sort of endeavors, trying to figure out what's real and what's not, that will have what I call a soft intellect. you know the ability but by soft I don't mean they're stupid but I mean that someone can like fairly easily shove a new idea in them and got them down the path they want to go shove a hand up their ass and have you know can confuse them to the point where they believe it some people they have a need in them to believe fantastical shit that no one else has discovered.

There's a weird, almost like a desire. It's almost like the same thing that, it's almost like a bygone thing that's left in our DNA from when we had to discover a new place that had better food. We found a new hunting trail. To find these new uncovered things is almost like an imperative in the the human psyche so people look for fucking stupid shit they look for the to be the one guy the trailblazer that and it doesn't mean that people don't conspire but it also means they're that too there's that

too yeah we got to be aware of that too because if you're not aware of that too. There's that too. Yeah. And we got to be aware of that too, because if you're not aware of that too, if you deny that too, you really do a huge disservice to the actual information that you're capable of pulling out when you look at things objectively. Right. But there's a lot of people that can't do that. They get involved in this 10, 11, 1,000 step game. They want to go three or four steps in and be rigid with their information. They want to stop right here. This is clearly a conspiracy. That guy's wearing the wrong backpack. It's towards

his left. This photo shows it's towards his right. And it's, um, doing this show, I've realized that that's an actual, it's like a psychological groove. It's like these people establish it in their minds that everything is, everything's a conspiracy. And it's not to say that some things aren't. Many things are. So they have some confirmation. They get some confirmation out of history. Gulf of Tonkin, all these different instances. The Bush-Cheney idea of before they left office, a false flag about Iran was being bandied

about. There's the Northwoods document where they wanted to blow up a fucking drone airliner and blame it on Cuba and start war with Cuba. All that shit's real. So the problem is it gets real cloudy out there if you're not thinking good. And so if you got any sort of an instance that happens

in the news, whether it's that bombing or this bombing or this attack or that attack or this, there's always going to be a lot of horseshit flying around because anyone can contribute to the soup of ideas sure anybody can throw so some dickhead comes along goes more onions and fucking pours a giant bucket of onions in your soup and you're like dickhead there was plenty of onions now it's fucking onion soup with a little bit of chicken that's the the that's the real issue with

the information that we receive today is that there's an a gigantic soup of people and the amount of actual real journalists the real the original real journalists have been replaced by these corporate puppets and then there's real, quote unquote, print journalists who are terrified of the new media. And they'll diffuse vice.com or they'll try to take down all the new media and make it seem as if these people are cretins and these people don't deserve to be representative of the news. And the old gray lady is the way to go. The New York Times is the gold standard. But it's not the gold standard. The reality is...

They've been proven to post false shit. You get caught all the time. And by the way, you're just human. There is no New York Times anymore. How about this? How about you're not important? How about the fucking information is important? And the vehicle for distributing the information

that wants so many accolades is a cunt. Any vehicle that wants so much love, so much money, giant corporation backed up behind delivering information. That's it. That's nonsense. For you to have an ego about past deliverings of information, things that you should have done, because that's your fucking job. Your job is to deliver information. You're a goddamn newspaper so if you get all uppity and uptight and be afraid of the internet when your whole fucking thing has been based on reporting shit that actually happens that's it what's also

about goes back to the same thing control yeah because if some asshole on the internet can get on and build a following and gain confidence, you know what? There's no fucking editor sitting over him saying, you know what? You might not want to say that because this might piss off my buddy who owns this company. Yeah, and that's not to slight the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal or the Boston Globe or any of the old newspapers in any way. And not to diminish their accomplishments and to and to diminish the the importance of them i at least i've read the boston globe every fucking day when i was a kid because i delivered it i delivered it from age shit i started like age 17 till i was 22 i delivered the boston

globe and occasionally the herald i read a newspaper every day. Newspapers are fucking huge. They were really, really important. But you did a job. Just like feeding people was really fucking important back then too. Everybody who fed people, those people all deserve medals as well. Feeding people and providing information are actually equally important. But the people who fed people didn't get treated like kings and queens and didn't get to fucking throw their arms in the air and rant and rave when a new method of distributing nutrition was introduced. But it goes back, too, to the people who did distribute that information were courted by those in power.

Yeah. It goes back all the way. It always has. I mean, as long as there's been a written word. Yeah. And that's one thing that I think now it's still fucked up with the new media is because how do you control everything? Well, you can't control everything. You can't control it, but what you can do is marginalize it. You shouldn't be able to control everything.

People have to realize that enough is enough. And if you need more money than what you're making, most likely you don't deserve it. That's a good point. That's the reality of the situation. If you need more money than you are currently making, most likely you don't deserve it. It's possible that you do, and don't get me wrong. What I mean by that is that there's a lot of people out there that want to figure out how to profit more. They want to figure out how to make more. They want to figure out how to make more.

They want to figure out how to... But if you're really doing what you're supposed to do, I firmly believe that there's rivers you're going to have to cross. There's mountains you're going to have to climb. You're going to have to figure out a way around it. And you might not be in a good place right now. But if you're a person and you're smart, there's ways to navigate yourself around almost every situation as long as you're getting nutrition and you're alive. If you're getting nutrition and you're alive and you've got an ability to think for yourself, you might be in a terrible situation.

I understand that. But there may very well be a way out of that situation. And if I took 10 guys, maybe only four would be able to figure the way out of that situation. It doesn't mean that that situation is unresolvable. It means that you've got to fucking figure it out, bitch. You got dealt a really shit hand of cards. And that happens to people all the time. But there's this gross tendency for people to just go, I got handed a shit hand of cards and you didn't,

so you don't understand where I come from and you have male privilege. I think that's what you just said. I think that is 100% the case in the United States at this point in time. If you look at people that come here, and I was thinking about coming on this podcast and I was thinking about this the other day and you know I drive that's one thing about I live in Vegas and the dichotomy of Vegas has always really struck me as something that's kind of fucked up and that you can go from the cosmopolitan hotel with people rolling up in $150,000 cars and the most beautiful women in the world with millions of dollars that

they can spend. You drive 10 minutes and there's a Home Depot with a Mexican standing outside of it that is willing to work at whatever job you want to give him for $10 a day and bust his ass. Or Guatemalan, or I don't know if that's a proper term. But a guy who's come here and willing to do nothing. And then you've got people that are perfectly able to work, but they've been told. And it's not even a lot of people's fault because from the time they were raised up, it's not your fault that you don't have anything. You've been fucked over.

You know, society has kept you down. They've kept you uneducated. It's not your fault you don't have anything. But yet you get people, and that's one of the beauties to me, and it's cliche. It really is. But to me, that's one of the beauties of this country, and that's the thing this country, to me, is built on. And if you ask almost anyone that has come here from somewhere else, they will tell you that that's why they came here. that has come here from somewhere else, they will tell you that that's why they came here.

It's because this is one of the few places in the world where you can take yourself from nothing to something. You know, if you're willing to work and you want to bust your ass and understand and adapt to the circumstances you're in, there really is opportunity here. And so when I hear people talk about what you're saying, you know, that, oh, I got fucked over. I got no, you know, I mean, I think we, both of us, I'm willing to say, I mean, I'm not, nobody would consider me successful. I'm successful in the fact that I get to do what I like to do. And I really enjoy that. I mean, to me, I make less money now than I did when I worked for Ford. But you know what?

I get up and I get to do whatever the fuck I want to do today for the most part. For folks who don't even know, we didn't even really introduce Justin. Justin runs actionreport.com. It's one of my favorite websites. And they put on these big-time, high-level pool matches where it used to be guys would come with big backers. pool matches where used to be guys would come with big backers and now because the the success of it and the fact has been around for a long time now they can actually have like have like a prize fund and you know get sponsors and all sorts of other things and it's all online like the very best players in the

world do get out back and forth and yeah you you can do now because of this you know because this is really a very popular thing in the world of pool. It's like the most important thing in the world of pool right now, in my opinion. There's no pool on TV these days. And if it wasn't for the strong presence of the internet, whether it's azbilliards.com or whether it's your website, there's not much keeping the community of pool players together. Pool is a weird thing, man. People don't understand how fun it is for the people who play it.

You know, for a guy like you or I. Pool is one of those things. To me, if you're not a pool guy, like the stuff we do, probably wouldn't interest you because our shit is designed for the fan, the guy who understands the game and stuff. But at the same time, to me, pool is the world of pool. I mean, it goes back to the movie The Hustler. And then you got The Color of Money. But it's a subculture that is almost uniquely American. It really is.

And it's been transplanted to other countries. But the American – and my website's name is The Action Report. And it started out as an idea to show the gambling side of the game because our idea was I've been around pool my whole life, and I've always loved the gambling side of it. And, you know, pool for the most part on ESPN, they dress the guys up like golfers, and they send them out there, and one guy breaks and runs, and the other guy breaks and runs,

and they all look the same, and nobody – it didn't know yeah nothing but you know to me i enjoyed the action side of the game and that was and and it wasn't because so much of the betting or uh the guys you know talking up a game but because to me it comes back to a quintessential american fucking idea of two guys coming in putting their money up and the way you keep track is by who gets more money at the end i mean that's you know yardage doesn't count yeah it's all... And the beautiful thing about pool is that that's actually the reason why it's called pool in the first place. Like, folks don't realize it's called pocket billiards. Pooling their money together to bet on a game was the whole reason why it was like

the chosen sport of the forbidden youth. You know, the glorious results of a misspent youth is all about how good you are at playing pool. Those areas during the, you know, Max Eberle is kind of an expert on the bachelor lifestyle. And Max Eberle talks with great fondness of the bachelor lifestyle of the early 1900s in New York City and all across the country, really, where men who are bachelors would go to pool halls. And that's where they would live and hang out. And those are the guys that did want to settle down and have families and just join the American grind.

Right. And that, to me, pool has always been it's dying now. It's dead pretty much. But for a lot of years, even through the war, the 30s, 20s, 30s, after World War I, even up through the Great Depression, but there was that they called in pool it's called a road player or a road man. And that is a guy who goes from town to town playing, depending on, personally I hate the term pool hustler.

I fucking despise it because to me a pool hustler is a thief, is a con man. I fucking despise it because to me, a pool hustler is a thief. He's a con man. He's a guy that goes in and, you know, tries to, you know, he lays down and he tries to get some sucker. You know, the game, that's always an interesting story. You know, the movie The Hustler was pretty much based on that. In pool, they call it playing on the lemon. But to me, what I like and the way most, a lot of successful road guys I knew, they didn't go in and try to play and say they play bad.

They would go in and say, I'll beat any asshole you got in here for whatever you want to bet. That's the truly American idea of it. And it goes back to the gunfighter thing. Yeah. Or, oh, God, what's the Japanese swordsman? Samurai? Yes. No, the guy you got tattooed on your arm.

Miyamoto Musashi. Yeah, Musashi. You know, the thing that people come at him and test him. Yeah. And to me, that idea, and that's kind of what our site and our events and what we do is kind of based on, is like, who is the best? How do you find out who the best is? Well, we didn't really even know until your site came around because these races to 100 were so incredibly rare. We were talking earlier before the show about the color of money match between Efren Reyes and Earl Strickland, who were like the best American player and the best Filipino player. And for a lot of folks who don't know anything about pool, the Filipinos in the 1950s, I

guess, when the United States GIs went there. Navy. The Navy. Big Navy base. They introduced pool to the Filipinos and they just fucking ran with that shit. And now they produce some of the very best players in the world. It's kind of interesting. Pool in the Philippines is, I mean, it's as big a deal as any major sport in the United

States. Shane, there's a kid named Shane Van Boning who's, in my opinion, the best American player at this time. He's a friend of mine. He plays in a lot of our matches. But he was joking that the only place on earth he can get in a cab and have the cab driver know who he is is in the Philippines. That's incredible. That's funny.

I've talked about him on the podcast several times. For folks who haven't heard about it, he's deaf. And when he plays pool, he shuts his hearing aid off. And he just goes into the zone. And he also plays. Stone killer, too. Yeah. He plays about as good as anybody who's ever played he's he has his moments where it's just stunning shit and he had those moments

gambling for big money on your your podcast or your broadcast rather when these race to hundreds when you see him like get loose and just fire on dudes and hit him with you had a really tight table for folks who don't know a standard table is five inches like if you buy one right from the store a lot of times are about five inches a pro cut table is about four inches and you got four and four and a half four and a half but you guys were four yeah four you guys were tight four yeah and it brutality, and guys would panic. Every time, I mean, because you're playing for a lot of money, and there's not a lot of margin of error,

and you'd go to shoot into that four-inch fucking hole on a diamond table, which is really difficult because it has an extra deep shelf, so a lot of balls that would fall on a Brunswick don't fall on a diamond. This motherfucker, he's playing like they're swimming pools. He's just slamming balls into the back of the pocket, and it's shocking. He just gets in that assassin groove where he can't miss, and he's running six and sevens on a full. What I mean by six and sevens is six and seven racks in a row of ten ball.

Without missing. Breaking and running a rack of 10 ball it's like nine ball you run the balls in order but there's 10 and it's super fucking hard to do and this dude is like click off with the sound whoosh just not missing every ball is so precise his he gets to the point where he's got that cue ball on a string and it's like he's like rolling the ball you you've described it it's like he's every ball just through the ball rolls through there's it's a perfect delivery and one of my favorite things about shane is a player and like i said he's a friend of mine i've known him i met him in 2006 december 2006 uh long before i ever did this stuff. The actual report, TAR, is what it's called, T-A-R,

was started in July of 2007. So I've known Shane, and right now the kid we're talking about is, like I said, in my opinion and a lot of other people's opinion, the best American player. He's one of the best in the world by anybody's measure. But he's still young, but he is a guy that he goes 100% every time he plays. But even if he loses, he's able to take that. It doesn't fuck him up to the point where – and pool's such a mental game.

I mean, it's so crazy how mental of a game it is. But – He could take his losses and wins. He can take it and come back. His character. But in a tournament, he can take it and come back and win. back and win but uh yeah it's it's a subculture that to me there's a great quote in the movie uh the color of money and paul paul newman if nobody if by and i'm chances are maybe a lot of your uh viewers or listeners haven't seen that movie but the color of money if you haven't seen

it check it out it's paul newman a young Tom Cruise. But in that, there's a scene where Paul Newman has a quote, and he's talking to Tom Cruise's girlfriend, trying to get her to convince Cruise to go out on the road. And he says, basically, you know, if you're the best in the world at something, no matter what it is, anything, then rich can be a range. Rich comes pretty easy. And, you know, he said, and before that he mentioned, I invest in excellence. And to me, that's what turns me on about anything, be it what I do with pool or any, you know, cues, pool cues.

I mean, you're a cue guy too. But, you know, or anything i mean that you're a cue guy too but you know or anything whatever the hell it is i'm interested in the people who do it the best yeah because to me that excellence you know that's where the genius lies you know because anybody can do anything but to me it's it's that ability whatever it is, that human nature, that talent, that drive to be excellent at something. To me, that fascinates me. And it's different for different people. We were talking about like with pool, it's such a mental game.

I joke a lot and it's only kind of half joke in that to be really good at pool, you got to be about half nuts. That's barely a half joke. Yeah. I mean, it's just you, you, you really, because you have to give up so much of everything else. People will never understand that, that don't play. When I was a kid, when I lived in New York, I played easily eight hours a day, almost every day. I constantly played pool and I wasn't very good, but I was obsessed with it. And when you get to a point where you're at the level of the high level professional, whether it's Shane or Efren or, you know, any of these top, top name pros, Earl Strickland, you, you have to play all day, every day. You have to be in the

pool. If you're out of the pool hall for a day, you feel out of stroke. Yeah. If you take a day off, you're like, holy shit, I'm out of stroke. Like, guys have said that. Like, they took a day off, and they came back in, they're out of stroke. I mean, they were playing eight, ten hours a day. And that's what's different about the elite, the guys at Shane's level, is a lot of those guys don't play that much.

No. They don't do that. You know, they really don't play every day putting in 8-10 hours a day like people would think they would. They get to a certain level. They understand it. And then, you know,

a lot of it is because maybe they don't have to, but that's the difference with a guy like Shane is he does. And the flip side of this too, though, is, and I've had a couple of players, we've talked about it, and that is the fact that Shane is a guy that he's on the rise. This is his ascendancy. He's 28 years old, you know, 29, something like that. He's not married, doesn't have any kids. So, you know, this is his, you know, he's stars on the rise.

So right now, this is his life, man. You know, this is what he does. He's 100% focused. He doesn't worry about making his mortgage payment. He doesn't worry about, you know, this is old lady mad at him because he decided to go do this or do that. You know, he just, that's what he's doing. And that's what it takes to be really excellent at something. I think so.

And every time, in Shane's case, when he's had some ups and downs, the downs all were related to the honey hole, son, all related to that glorious thing that we're all searching for. Yeah, it's an interesting thing, the idea of excellence. You and I agree on that. We're both fascinated by that, especially we share the interest in cue. People don't even know there's a whole beautiful art to making pool cues. It's a functional art form that's very, very rare because it's got to have both a cue in order to be really

revered has to have playability and it has to have design if a cue just has design people don't give a fuck about it like if you get a cue from like southwest or john showman you get a john showman's a perfect example it's like it doesn't make that many many. And the thing about the cues are that they play good. They have a balance. I have a showman and it's like, it's different than any other steel-jointed cue I've ever played with. And it's because this dude just has a way of making shit. He knows

what he's doing. He figured it out. He knows how to splice things together and sand them correctly and cure the wood. I mean, it's a really beautiful functional art form that's slowly being lost. Right, and you bring up John, and he's an example of one of the things. Excellence, like I was talking about, is something that really excites me and that interests me.

And the other thing is craftsmanship, people that make things, whether that's knives, guns, pool cues, people, guys. Cars. Yeah, anything. Yeah. Guys, you know, and mostly for the most part, people that do it, one-man shops or one or two-man shops. You know, a guy gets – because I have a background, like I said, a machining background and things like that. So I have a basic understanding of what it takes to make something. To take it from a drawing on a piece of paper to a block of metal or whatever or a bunch of – a bin full of parts and turn it into something. And I know how goddamn difficult that is and then to be able to do that at a very high level to where you have people wanting to pay thousands and thousands of dollars for what you do

that to me is one of the coolest things in the world. And John's a friend of mine, and I've been to his shop. And he's, for people, and I realize we're talking about something people don't know about or understand, but he makes these cues. And a high-end pool cue starts about $2,500 to $3,000 and can go up to $10,000. And a lot of these cues, like many things with high demand, if you can buy it directly from the source, you actually get it for cheaper than what the secondary market is. So you can actually flip it and sell. And it's the same way with knives. I'm a, that's my new freak thing is custom folding knives. So anyway, John makes these cues out of a one-car garage.

I went and shot a – did you ever see the documentary I did? Yes. Yeah, really interesting stuff. He makes these cues in a one-car garage. And if I showed it to you like at a custom cue show that they have, that they do have them, things like that, or some just well-done photographs, it looks like a work of art. I mean, his stuff is just so well executed. And you kind of have to have some knowledge to know what you're looking at because things are even, you know, things like that. But it's an interesting thing.

It's hard to describe to people who don't have anything to do with it then when you see where it's made if you just look at this item you go okay shit that's pretty and then you kind of have to explain to people that it's wood you know this is a round

piece of wood that's tapered that's got big ass cuts in it with parts of it pulled out and then other parts of it glued back in where you took that shit out of and then perfectly yeah and then little pieces of wood cut out a lot of people don't even know what an inlay is or understand it for any an inlay in anything whether it's a pool cue or you see a lot of it in jewelry boxes um some some furniture has a lot of inlay. What they'll do, say you've got a circle made out of ivory, let's say,

and you've got a nice wooden table and you want to put this circle of ivory in it. What you do is you go in and you mill out a circle. So you cut out the wood and leave a hole there. Then you take your piece of ivory, you glue it in, and then you sand it or mill it flat. And then, so now it looks like you've got a nice piece of wood with a piece of ivory there. And now if you take that and you multiply it, I think the cue you've got of John's, I saw it when he delivered it initially at Super Billiards Expo. I want to say it's like 100 and some inlays. So imagine doing that 100 times. And now here's the trick.

If you fuck up on the 99th time, you got to start over. And they do all the time. They'll be working on high-end cues, and they'll get like three-quarters of the way done. They have to scrap it. Ernie Gutierrez, Gina Q. I did a film with him that's on our YouTube channel. He's had this all queues in half. Ivory handle queues.

Oh. Yeah. I mean, it's because it goes back to the craftsmanship aspect of no matter what it is you make, you talk about cars. I know you love cars and you're a car guy. You know, you get these custom tuners or custom builders, you know, if they have a dog, they can't afford that to be out there. They can't let that, they can't let that car on the road. Right. Because, you know, one dog will fuck up a hundred, you know, you know, it's the old saying, One dog will fuck up a hundred, you know, you know, it's the old saying, you know, one old shit overrules a hundred attaboys. Yeah, it's true.

So, you know, it's, I don't know, to me, that's the whole thing. And the other thing about cue makers, that world, it's really fascinating is, uh, those dudes are the coolest motherfuckers across the board in the entire pool world. are the coolest motherfuckers across the board in the entire pool world. Those guys, perfect example, a guy we both know, Eric Crisp, a guy who makes a very, very in-demand cue. His cues are called Sugar Tree Cues. When we first started our business, our company, it was complete shoestring.

It was me and my partner, Chad Pullman. We had started up, and, we had two initial partners that came in, Chuck and Jason. I just want to mention their names because they were important in what we did, but it was a shoestring deal. And anyway, this Eric, who's become a good friend of Joe and mine both, out of nowhere, this guy, he's a very, very in-demand cue maker at the time, got a backlog of years and years. But that means if you wanted to buy a cue from him, you got to wait years before you can even build it. Yeah, and Eric in particular doesn't even take orders anymore. So, I mean, if you want one of his cues, you have to either know him or get it on the secondary market. But, uh, I was at an event, it was 2008 and I was a photographer. And when I started my company, I had to sell, uh, one of my camera lenses to pay for a trip.

And then for any photographers out there, it was a Nikon 70 to 200, two eight, uh, about a $1,500 lens. But we were going on this trip and I didn't have.8, about a $1,500 lens. But we were going on this trip and I didn't have any money, so I had to sell this lens. And didn't really tell any money about it. But to me, it was one of those things where I was like, fuck, man, I don't want to do it. It's like you don't want to sell your tools, you know what I mean? But we had made a commitment to be there, and so I did what I had to do. So anyway, we're at an event maybe six, seven months later,

and Eric walks up and out of nowhere hands me a cue. He goes, here, take this and use it to help you guys get down the road. And I was stunned. I'd never met him before. And, you know, we started talking. And that doesn't sound like much, you know, somebody walking up and handing you a piece of wood or a piece of pool cue. But the thing is, he walked up and handed me two grand. Yeah, he's one of the nicest guys I've ever met. And, you know, and what I did was I've taken a lot of photos.

I've taken a lot of photos, and I've got some photos, some unique photos, because I've been in places. You know, the old saying about being good at photography is F8 and be there. You know, I've been lucky to be there for certain things. And a lot of my photos that have been taken. F8? Yeah, F8 is an F-stop. What does that mean? It's a lens adjustment.

It's basically F8 is in the middle of the focal range. So it allows you a depth of field to where you can see. If you're going to take a general photograph, F8 is a good spot to be there. Okay. So F8 and just be there and you got a good picture. Yeah. F8 and be there is kind of the joke about you don't have to do any fancy trickery or anything like that. The big thing is have a basic setup but be there when the shot is there. Right. Gotcha. Okay, cool. But I used that cue to purchase that lens that I had sold before.

you see any any one of the flyers any type of like promotional shit that we do that photo was taken with the lens that i was able to buy because eric gave me that cue yeah it's an interesting thing that world of uh craftsmanship of creating this really unique tool that it's very revered within the community but the community is like it's a it's a weird kind of a sketchy falling apart community the the custom there's a weird kind of sketchy, falling apart community. Well, the custom – there's a queue collecting community, and that's – pool's so spread out, man. And now it's even more fucked up. Pool needs a show. The high-end pool queue collector guys are rich.

You can't play in that end of the pool and not be wealthy. You can't play in that end of the pool and not be wealthy. When an average cue costing $4,000 to $5,000, high-end cues like old cues, there's certain cue makers like Balabushka a lot of people have heard of. If you've ever seen The Color of Money, the name Balabushka is brought up. Those cues now $8,000 to $25, thousand anywhere depending on how fancy because of that movie yes well no because there he's dead yeah there is no more you know it's like but he's really extreme on the end of the collectors high end high barry zambodi who is yeah equal level who's his dad gus zambodi yes Those cues, those are also like. Same level.

Same level, Balbushka level. Actually, I think Gus cues, certain Gus cues, go carry a higher level of price than Zambodi because Gus Zambodi cues were better made. The playability is legendary, and a lot of great players played with Zambotti. Zambotti's just one of those names. You hear the name Zambotti.

That's like the real, in this day and age, you hear Bala Bush go, Bala Bush is always impressive, but Zambotti's like, oh, he's getting Zambotti. Like, oh, shit. That's high-level shit. And that's one thing. And Shulman, too, but more obscure. But still very same level.

I think, John, among the cognoscente, the people who know, and that's one of the cool things is John and Barry Zambotti are friends. And they have a lot in common. They like the traditional style design work and things like that. And so it's a small, small world, but it's really fascinating. And the other thing that's interesting is if somebody out there today said, okay, cool, I want to learn more about these cues, and they find out, and you want to go get one, you can't buy one. Yeah, good luck.

I mean, you can buy one on the secondary market. But it would be ridiculously overpriced and really super expensive. But if you call Barry, he might take your call on it, and he'll be gracious to you. But Barry's never going to fill his order book. You know, I mean, I love the guy to death. God bless him. I hope he lives to be 100 years old. But chances are he's never going to fill his order book.

Because so many people want his cues. Yeah, exactly. It's just a matter of demand that he has. Yeah. Right. And you said Cognoscenti. One of my best cues is Joe Gold. Joey Gold, yeah.

Cognoscenti cues. This small group of people that make these high-end instruments for this obscure dying game. Right. And it is dying. But to a guy like you or I, they're extremely valuable because we recognize. Like if you can get a hold of an Ebony on Ebony Southwest, you're like, holy shit. It's almost like you're obligated to buy it because you realize they're not making that many of these.

There's going to come a point in time where you run out of 58 Corvettes. They don't exist anymore. There's no more 58 Corvettes. Shit. And that's where a lot of the older Q guys, like we were speaking about, the older makers, Gus Zambodi, Balabushka, and then you have guys like John Shulman. I think John Shulman went through a period of time where he might have made 10 Qs in three years. I mean, when we talk about these guys, another perfect example is Dennis Searing, who is arguably among a lot of Q guys considered the top guy. His Qs probably have the highest resale value.

They're insane. Yeah. Insane. Like a plain Q is like $4,000, $5,000, $6,000. $4,000 for what looks like a house Q. thousand five thousand six thousand four grand for what looks like a house cue it's um it's an amazing thing that a guy's excellence his commitment to exacting standards can really be can manifest itself in that sort of a way and that's in in that way that's where pool cues and that's where this this art form sort of like it it parallels everything else in life yeah like

it's the same thing as like if the Beatles are playing, everybody wants to go and see them. You know, it really is the same thing almost. It's like this just this boundless energy to achieve excellence. And that's what, and it's in this very specific space for this very specific purpose that maybe 4,000 or 5,000 people on this earth will understand or get. Or give a fuck. Yeah, or give a fuck.

Yeah. My wife looks at my pool cues and looks, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, who gives a shit? Oh, that one's pretty. She couldn't care less. And I'm like. But you know what? That's the way I feel about watches.

Yeah. I see guys and they can blow $100,000 on a watch. I love that shit. Dudes love that shit. It's like, you know. Dudes get disappointed when they see my watch sometimes. Because they're expecting me to have something. Well, I have a nice watch that Russell Peters gave me.

Russell Peters gave me a Breitling. It's a fucking beautiful watch. I would never spend that much money. And the UFC gave me a Rolex. So I have two legit watches. But I'm wearing a watch that costs like 50 bucks. I wish. I'd bang them into shit. I just need to know what time it is.

I'm not trying to impress anybody. Meanwhile, you got a rack full of $5,000 pool of shoes. My interest is not in impressing other people. I'm interested in what I'm interested in. My car's a 2007. I'm not trying to get a 2014. I like what I'm interested in. My car's a 2007. I'm not trying to get a 2014. I like what I like.

I just need to find out what's the right shit. What's the shit that makes you feel best? Is it this? Is it that? Is it the watch? That doesn't make me feel good. That makes me feel like an idiot.

Why doesn't it have a battery? Why do I have to wind it with my hand? That's so stupid. Do you know there's a battery now? There's unlimited supply of them. You stick it in. Do you know the watches with a battery cost $4? What the fuck is wrong with people?

Dude, I got a Timex. What is it? One of those. Iron Man? Yeah, Iron Man. I wear it when I went hunting. I bought it for hunting. It's my favorite watch.

That motherfucker gave me no problems, gave me a little light. I was in the middle of Montana. That's my watch. I love that watch. That's like a sacred watch to me. That watch is like the cheapest watch I own, but it has significance. It means something. That was the watch I wore the first time I killed a deer.

Yeah, it means something. The watch has got guts on it. I read a story about a guy, dude, it was a special forces team. Guy rolls into the team room and he shows off his... No, SF. SF, sorry. Was rolling in and he had a Rolex

on. He was like, yeah, check me out on this shit. And the guy goes, oh, that's cool. Can you do this with it? And he takes off his $60 G-Shock and he throws it across the room and hits the wall. He goes, let's see you do that, buddy. Well, there's a weird thing we're doing. There's a weird thing we're doing

with watches and cars, and this is where it's wrong. It's wrong if you're trying to impress other people. It's wrong if you're spending your entire life savings to try to live in the house that everyone envies. It's right if you have this idea for a house. I've always wanted to live in a log house. Let's make this shit happen.

Fuck, I'm there. I got a log house. Like, if you enjoy the art of the log house. But there's a lot of people wearing those $100,000 watches that are just like fucking sticking that shit in your face, letting you know. It's like bad, bad Leroy Brown. He likes to wear his diamond ring in front of everybody's nose. And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown. That's the stupidity of it all. The stupidity of it all is not buying a Porsche. The stupidity of it all is not buying a porsche the stupidity of us all of it all is needing people around you to appreciate that porsche yeah to me the guy who buys the porsche

because he gets off on the history and the performance and he understands it and he drives it to me i think that's cool as shit the fucking dentist who buys the porsche that doesn't understand how to drive a stick shift is a douchebag. Well, the saddest thing is when I see a guy, he's in a 911, I look over, and he doesn't even have paddle shifters. He's got that automatic with the buttons on the steering wheel. I'm like, you fucking slob. You slob. And we're engineering. I shouldn't say we because, as I've stated earlier, I'm an idiot and I'm not engineering anything. But even Porsche, they're engineering away from the manual transmission. There's no more manual transmission. Well, that was always the thing with the 911 was that it was a fucking deathmobile.

I mean, if you didn't know what the fuck you were doing, it would kill you. For folks who don't know, Porsche, a long, long, long time ago, back before anybody read books, they put the engine in the back of the car. Back of the Porsche. It's behind the rear axle. It's a stupid place for the engine. And back then, the cars only weighed 2,000 plus pounds. They only had 150 horsepower at the most. You know, when they were designing these things, they had really narrow tires and they were really slippery. Like if you went around

a corner and you gun the gas the wrong time, your ass end would totally kick out. They were notorious for what's called oversteering, meaning like as you're turning, the car steers further than you would like it to. And some people figured out how to drive with that. They figured out how to broaden the rear axle or broaden the tires, rather, stretch out the rear stance, and then figure out how to accelerate out of corners. Go into them slow, but then the traction of having the weight below the back wheels allows you to actually take off quicker. It allows you very fast 0 to 60 acceleration.

There's a lot of good things if you know how to drive. You've got the ass on the drive wheels, so it puts the weight over them. But it's interesting because they basically have spent the past several decades trying to engineer their way around a terrible idea. And they have another car. Here's their number one problem. Porsche has a car called the Cayman. And the Cayman's their... SUV.

No, no, no, that's the Cayenne. Cayenne, what's a Cayman? The Cayman is a very small mid-engine car. And it's a beautiful car now. It used to be ugly as shit. Back when Porsche had the 996. The 996 was the first water-cooled car. What was the cheap one? What was the... That's the Boxster. Boxster. The Boxster was the first water-cooled car. What was the cheap one?

What was the... That's the Boxster. Boxster. The Boxster's the Cayman with a roof over it. But see, the Boxster, that's the Cayman. That's the new one. It's dope as fuck. But they have to keep it underpowered.

You know why? Because it's not a rear-engine car. It's a mid-engine car. So its balance is much better. It handles much better. Its acceleration is prime. It's beautiful. And so they have to keep it about 325, 350

maximum. Isn't that sick? We're talking about 350s underpowered. It's ridiculously underpowered. My Porsche has 502. Is yours R-wheel drive? No, no, no. It's rear-wheel drive. I'm a savage. I'm a man. You don't go in for that comments bullshit.

That's fucking... Not all-wheel drives. Yeah, that's the government trying to shrink your dick. That's all that is. They're trying to take away your testosterone. The rear drive is where it's at. If you're going to drive a sports car, especially a Porsche, it's rear-wheel drive, and it's a wide body.

Shut the fuck up. It's supposed to have a big, fat rear set of tires and a lot of goddamn power, and you better know what the fuck happens when that 60-40 gets out of whack. You've got to know how big fat rear set of tires And a lot of goddamn power And you better know what the fuck happens When that 60-40 gets out of whack You gotta know how to counter steer So That's sick And you should go naturally aspirated too

Stop fucking around with those turbochargers Yeah they're cute and everything But they don't even make the same sound Like half of the fun of an engine is the sound What about your Mustang? Your Mustang's got a supercharger Yeah but that's okay Supercharger's okay because it doesn't take away from the sound It adds a little the sound. What about your Mustang? Your Mustang's got a supercharger. Yeah, but that's okay. Supercharger's okay because it doesn't take away from the sound.

It adds a little extra sound. It adds a little whine. Whoooo! It adds that little shit, a little fucking RoboCop to the V8. It actually is kind of cool. But a turbocharger's a real problem, man. Turbochargers, they muffle. Well, the lag is sort of...

It's barely noticeable now because they have twin turbos. It's like a car like the Nissan GTR or the 911 Turbo, barely noticeable, unless you get a hold of a GT3. If you get a hold of a GT3, that's the race car they allow you to drive on the street. That car is totally naturally aspirated. So my car revs up. I have a GT3 RS, and it revs up to 8,800 RPM. So it's like, what?

As it's going up like that. Is that yours? No. Similar? That's a GT3. Mine's a GT3 RS. If you Google GT3 RS Shark Works, I have one that I sent to this company in Northern California. So you got like a GT3 RS and then?

I'm like, it's not crazy enough. You got to put some more shit on that. I got to send it to the baddest motherfuckers in Porsche aftermarket, and then they take it and they change the suspension. Every bump it goes over, it hurts my balls. But I don't care. It doesn't matter. It's so loud.

Dude, I got to tell you, though, the thing you did that I will always – and I think – I'm curious. I want to ask you this question. How much – I mean, I think, do you, what's your opinion? I think that the car you had built on rides, the Sickfish. Yeah. I think that thing, I mean, that's always stuck with me. Do you get that from a lot of car guys?

Yeah, they love it, but I give them the reality of driving that car. And driving that car and driving that car for a few years it broke down so many fucking times really and i'm gonna say this without being negative at all there was a lot of issues in the construction of this car behind the scenes that allowed me to see things that i didn't know about the car world that mirrored the world of construction of homes, mirrored the world of... There's a lot of fuckery that goes on. And unfortunately, and there's the guys who made it,

Chip Foose designed it and Troy Chapagne built it. They did a great fucking job. But there's a bunch of other people involved in these transactions that you have to deal with that are not just unpleasant, but unpleasant to the point where they inspire murderous thoughts. And I had to deal with these people to the point where I had to get on the phone and raise my voice. And I don't like doing that. And so there was a weirdness attached to that car. And then there was the fact they didn't

do what I wanted them to do. I wanted them to make a car that I can drive. I wanted a car that... They had a car that they did on, the show was called Rides. They had a 67 fastback Mustang that they built. It was fucking beautiful. And it was a normal lifted suspension, normal height off the ground, so you could drive it around. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted a muscle car to drive around. And they made me this lowered, chopped thing with giant wheels and super complicated.

Show car. Trick suspension. Total show car. car and I was driving to the comic store every weekend I think fuck this thing was not doing well it would leave me stranded it left me stranded several times and more scary than that one day I came home I pulled into my driveway and I'm turning to get into the garage and my car bank leans to the side this This is it right here. This is one of the few days where I pulled it into the comedy store. It's a beautiful car. I still love it, man.

To this day, I kind of miss it. I like the fact that you didn't fall into the Foosh two-tone trap. Yeah, that motherfucker tried to turn my car into a Spanish hooker. I was like, that's just not happening, dog. I love silver. That silver color is beautiful. It's so gorgeous. And it accent like, that's just not happening, dog. I love silver. That silver color is beautiful. It's so gorgeous. And it accentuates the shape of the car. So I pulled into my driveway and all of a sudden the car leans to the left, like clunk. And I get out and I look and the wheel

has, the suspension is separated from the frame and the wheel is going sideways into the fender. The fender's bent. Holy shit. And I'm like, I was just on the highway. Right, right, right. I was on the highway. I was going 70 miles an hour. Your wheel could have fell off.

Easily. I would have been dead. I had a three-point harness and a roll cage. So maybe I'm exaggerating. I might not be dead, but I might be concussed. I might have been fucked up. Who knows when it could could have happened it could i could have been run over by a semi anything could have happened and so i brought it to um um this guy in uh sammy valley and uh i had him uh steve stroop and i had him um just put the best possible suspension on it

fix it up make it cut all the bullshit, what'd they fuck up, fix that, raise it a little, keeps bottoming out, you know, like find out, find out why these bolts separated from the suspension.

What did they figure out? Did something just break? It was too low. It was too low. It was bottoming out. It was so loud, I couldn't hear when it was bottoming out. It was the most

ridiculously rugged ride in the history of automobiles. It was like, and the sound was, ridiculously rugged ride in the history of automobiles. It was like... And the sound was... It was so loud. What was in it? What kind of motor?

A 528 Hemi. I believe it was a 528. It was an engine from a truck, a crate engine. It wasn't even an engine that was ever offered. I remember watching that thing. How long ago was that, man? That was a long time ago.

It was like 2004 or something like that. But I remember that show, and I remember watching that and seeing the car. Man, that's the sweetest fucking. Looking. Yeah. But here's the deal, man. That's a GTS, but not a 4.0. Put up a GTS Shark Works.

Kermit, if you find Kermit. My friend Alex, this used to be his car. He's the one who built my car, and he made this car called Kermit, but he had to wind up selling it. Somebody just came with too much cash. Because what they do is they take the GTS RS, which is Rennsport. Rennsport is the most race-ready version of the Porsche 911. They cut out the back seats.

They cut out all the weight. They lower the sound deadening. Does it have a cage in it? Yeah, mine does. And that's what his looks like. Mine's outside. I'll show it to you after the show. That's the green one that he had.

And that car is 502 horsepower, 2,900 pounds, and just fucking flies. 2,900 pounds. And not just flies, but it's glued to the ground. It's got this feel that it gives you when you hit corners. Even if I'm going 30 miles an hour, I love the way it feels. It feels like an athlete. It feels like every other car is capable. And if that's all you're looking for, you're looking for something that gets you from point A to point B, I'm not judging you.

I'm not. But it doesn't take away. There's some people like everybody has to like what they like. And if you don't like what they like, there's something wrong with you. You're an asshole. You're a fucking homophobe. You like V8s. Everybody's got to be outraged.

Yeah, they got to find something that they like that you don't or you like that they don't so they hate you. And if you don't like what they like, you're a dick. People are fucking crazy. But for me, I am madly in love with engineering. I'm madly in love with the craftsmanship involved in building an engine and just the feeling of turning the key. Do you follow F1 at all? Yes. Did you see Dario Franchetti take a diver into the fucking wall the other day?

Was that F1? That's not F1. No, that was... Frankini doesn't fix F1. Yeah, let me... Dario... No, it wasn't. You're right.

I guess he's Indy. Was it Indy? Yeah, you're right. It was Indy. Was it Le Mans? Was it Indy? Yeah, you're right. It was Indy. Yes. He was released from the hospital. That guy's got an incredible car. He's got a series of cars, but he's got a 1973 Porsche that he had rebuilt

and put modern suspension on it and a 350-horsepower engine. It's like a hot rod Porsche. His name is Dario Franchitti. Franchitti. C-H-I-T-T-I. Is he still married to Joe? No, son. Free at last.

Free at last. Thank God almighty. Do you know him? No. He was married to an actress, though. I can only assume that it's for the best. Right, exactly. Better for everyone involved.

This is him crashing. Yeah, look at this. He got launched into the fucking cage. Jesus Christ. I lived in Indianapolis. Broke his neck. That was the Indy 500, obviously. But it's interesting to me that most of the F1 drivers won't race Indy

because they say it's too fucking dangerous. Well, it makes sense. Because in F1, they have long straights and every once in a while... God, what's the dude's name? It'll come to me. But anyway, very rarely

do guys get killed. Pull up his car. Dario Franchetti Hot Rod Porsche. Rarely do guys get killed in F1. I mean, it's happened, but it's pretty rare. But in Indy, they're going 200 plus miles an hour in

an oval. In F1, they've got turns and shit like that to keep them slowed down. Is that Ferrari? No, that's a Porsche. That's a Porsche GT. That's a that's a porsche gt that's a carrera gt but that's not his car i'll tell you he's got a 1973 porsche hot rod dario just google that i'll tell you some shit you ought to check out man and i'm not i'm not a biker i'm not a motorcycle guy i'm not not in any way shape or fashion, but something that absolutely fascinates the shit out of me is the Isle of Man TT.

What's that? Oh, fuck. What is it? The Isle of Man TT is a race that's been going on for a long time. You know what the Isle of Man is? Okay. Well, tell people who don't know. The Isle of Man is a little tiny-ass island off the coast of England.

And what they do is TT stands for Tourist Trophy. And it's been going on for, I want to say, like 100 years, close to it. But they shut down the roads on the island, and they have a race course that's like 16, 18 miles, something like that, all throughout the island. But it's motorcycles. It's all bikes. And it's one of the only places where these guys can go balls out on real streets. I'll tell you how dangerous it is. It used to be, I think in the 70s they took it off the circuit.

At one time, it was on the circuit of like internationally recognized races. And they took it off because it was too dangerous. Too many people were dying. Over the history of the race, they average one to two people a year die at that race. Wow. And it's, there's, I can't remember the name of the documentary on it, but just, just Google Isle of Man TT and watch some of the footage. And these guys, here, it's crazy. It's sick. These are streets. There's no barriers.

There's no runoff areas. Nothing. Look at this. I mean, these guys are going 150, you know, 180 miles an hour. On the streets? Yeah. Now, how does everybody know? Do they make sure that everybody knows this is going to happen?

Oh, it's a giant deal. Look, like, this is through the mountains and shit. And they're racing? Yeah. Oh, my God. How many people die? One to two a year. Oh, God. There's been over 200 dead since the race began.

Oh, my God. Yeah. No, but, I mean, look at this. What is this? Is this because Europeans are just used to death? You know, they have a long history of famine and shit. The guys who run this race, like you have, what's the shit? What's the MotoGP?

MotoGP, which is like F1 for motorcycles. Oh, my God. But these guys, those guys don't fuck with this because it's too dangerous yeah so who's doing this the craziest of the crazy pretty much look at these motherfuckers popping wheelies and look at the fucking camera view of this dude what is it what is it with the speed say there 170 oh jesus fucking Louises. 170 with just raw body. So anytime you fall, you're dead.

You die. 100%. Or you get really fucked up. Forever. There was a great documentary, and for the life of me, I need to Google it and give you the name of it. I'm terrible with little details and shit. Look at this fucking camera on this car. This is insane. That's a bike.

I mean bike. Yeah, that's like a 300-pound motorcycle. But look at the camera. When you see what he's seeing, it's nuts. It's a blur. That's what's crazy. I mean, and where they get fucked up is everywhere. Squirrels.

Somewhere online, there's a greatest hits video of the wrecks. And you remember that one scene where they're going through the green fields, the beautiful emerald fields, and there's like a sloping turn that goes to the right? Yeah. Something fucked up, guy just goes straight. Oh, Jesus Christ. And flies. I mean, he just flies. Oh, my God.

And he's dead. I mean, it's like as soon as he went off the road, he was dead. Did you ever see that video? It just took him about 20 seconds before he hit. 20 seconds in the air. Think about 20 seconds flying. That's probably an overestimation. 10, 5, even 5.

1, 1,000. You knew you were dead. 2, 1,000. 3, 1,000. 4, 1,000. 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, 5,000. You got to think. The only worst thing I could think about going like that. Tigers.

Nope. The fucking. Did you see the 747 crash? Yes. That would fucking suck. That would suck. That would suck being in the cockpit, hearing those chains break, the fucking cargo shifts to the rear. And you're like,

fuck. That's a wrap. You know you're going to die. How much cargo was in there that made it snap like that? I don't know if I'm making this up, but I want to say I heard MRAPs. MRAPs?

What's that mean? Mind-resistant armor personnel carriers. Oh, Jesus. They were the giant-ass. They're the things that kind of replaced the Humvees. Oh, Jesus. They were the giant ass. They were the things that kind of replaced the Humvees. Oh, Jesus. That makes sense, the mass and how it was just impossible to navigate.

If you've never seen that video before, it was a video taken in Afghanistan of a 747 that it's taking off and then somewhere in the flight. Right after takeoff, basically, yeah. The chains break, the weight shifts, and it comes crashing directly into the ground. It's like it just stops in mid flight. Right after takeoff, basically, yeah. The chains break, the weight shifts, and it comes crashing directly into the ground. It's like it just stops in midair. It's so weird. And then it just falls. It's one of the things about having dashboard cameras.

Here it is right here. See, they're flying out. Oh, this freaks me out every time I see it, dude. Oh, this is insane. It's flying out. And what's crazy Is the dude who's Taping this I want to say

He was a US soldier But he doesn't say a word During this whole time Doesn't say shit It drops down And you see it And at this point in time You know

You're like Oh my god Boom And it drops down Have you ever seen That's so insane Play that again Please James

After this I got another great Air crash for you That's insane Look at this Look at this please, Jamie. After this, I got another great air crash for you. That's insane. Look at this. Look at this. Imagine being in that bus. And you're like, fucking Jesus!

Jesus! And that's what the dude who's taping it, you can hear the audio because it's ambient. It doesn't say a fucking thing. Well, how used to trauma is this gentleman? I don't know. But I mean, I would be freaking the fuck out. Well, that's one of the biggest issues about these wars is bringing these young people home and giving them no tools to deal with the kind of trauma that they've seen.

And the reality they've experienced and how much different that reality is than the reality of me or of a normal person who has not gone to war. Right. You're dealing with a totally different type of human with completely different rewiring of the possibilities of reality. And what's fucked up is this country has done it every war they've ever had. They're always going to do it until someone tells them they can't do it. 1918, World War I, World War II. 2027 is going to be our robots killed your robots. Do you give up?

Yeah. And that's one of the things about the drone. I'm fascinated with the drone. Drones versus drones. The whole Roblox. I don't ever think it'll be drones versus drones. Maybe it will. I don't know.

Well, that's when it starts getting interesting. Right now it sucks. Well, what's scary is drones versus humans. It's not fair. Because it makes it too easy. It's like trannies. It's like a male transvestite, transsexual fighting its female transsexuals. Oh, yeah, you got me.

Yeah, I agree. That's that issue. There's a lot of people in the transvestite and transgender community that believe that I'm a transphobe because I've made some comments about a woman who used to be a man. I have nothing but love for that woman that used to be a man. I got nothing but love for that woman that used to be a man. I got nothing but love for anybody. But I am coming at anything completely from the point of fairness when it comes to combat sports. Sure.

That's it. I could give zero fucks if you want to be a man, if you would rather be a woman. There was a Navy SEAL. What was it? Well, there was – Who wrote a book seal that what was it there was a well there was uh i wrote a book recently yes uh warrior princess warrior princess yes brian callen my boy he uh interviewed him on his podcast or her on his podcast yep i'm fooled how do you you know i'm

asked i'm as pro gender equality as i am pro gun control sure or pro gun ownership sure i should say actually you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want. And that's where I'm at. And the other thing, too, especially with a person like that, man, woman, I don't know what the proper... It's a woman wants the... Look, that's how I would accept it. Any person who serves their nation in that capacity, I mean, any person can do whatever

the fuck they want. But the fact of it is that, you know. They got your respect. Yeah, absolutely. They have my respect as well. And you know what, man? Any kid who grows up that is growing up as a boy but wishes he was a girl, they have my respect too. You know, and there's a lot of people in the transgender community that have been upset at me about this issue, about this MMA fighter.

But believe me and trust me, it has nothing to do with anything except combat sports. That, to me, is a legit issue because you're talking about, I'm sorry, but this thing is not like the other. Well, you know why I know it? Because at the end of the day, it really isn't. It's not equal. There's variations inside the male frame as well you know and i have experienced tremendous benefits from being on the fortunate side of certain genetics sure like i have man hands i have big

fat stupid man hands and if you put a woman in a dress and if she had these man hands she'd be a dangerous bitch sure that's that's not fair right it's not fair The male frame is not fair. The male hips are different. Rene Richards sucked as a man, as a tennis player, but dominated bitches as a woman. Yeah. You know, and that's it's it's just it's a matter of competition. And I don't have any problem with that competition when. It was baseball, and all of a sudden this girl who used to be a guy is now awesome at baseball. Tough shit. Get better at baseball. Right. You know, the interesting thing about transgenders when it comes to non-combat sports is they've never achieved world championship status.

Sure. Like the most famous is Renee Richards, who became like 20th in the nation as top level as a professional tennis player. That means that a dude who used to be a dude, who became a woman, becomes a woman, is a woman now, still can't be the best double X chromosome woman. Well, because to me, it goes back to what we talked about, excellence at any level no matter what. So you're saying that if you had excellence, you would accept the natural-born gender that you're born with? No, no.

No, what I'm saying is— Sexual identities are just in your mind? What I'm saying is a genetic strength advantage cannot overcome someone who has the drive and willingness to be great. That's all good on paper. It can and it can't. It depends on what the balance is. Here's a perfect example. You take a mediocre, run-of-the-mill male pro, okay?

Okay. Actually, this is probably a bad example because there's a pretty big disparity in pool between men and women players, which is crazy because there shouldn't be. That's what I need to do. I need to get on the Women's Pro Tour and start dominoing people. Tell me, can I place top 10

in the Women's Pro Tour? I guarantee you could place top 20. That is amazing. I guarantee you could place top 20. As a professional women's pool player, Allison Fisher would always rob me. I guarantee you could place top 20, but the top 5 would heist you. Allison Fisher would always rob me. I guarantee you you could place top 20, but the top five would heist you. Those bitches would rob me no matter what.

Heist you. But for now, for now, if I got psychotic. But hey, if you had to get beat and you got beat by Guy Young Kim, there's a lot worse things out there. There's a lot worse things in life to go home and sleep to and contemplate before you sleep, meditate before you sleep. You say that, but that's if I get crazy. If I get crazy and I dedicate my life to that shit. Still. Too late. I got a deck. They don't have a deck. Don't matter. Too late. I feel good. Here's something about pool. You say that, but that's if I get crazy. If I get crazy and I dedicate my life to that shit. Still, too late. I got a deck.

They don't have a deck. Don't matter. Too late. I feel good. Here's something about pool. You say too late. Too late. I disagree.

No. Too late unless you involve mushrooms in the equation. It doesn't matter. It does. You say it doesn't. Don't make me prove you wrong. Every great pool player I know was great by the time they were 21. They didn't do mushrooms.

If they did do mushrooms, they would realize that you can have a rebirth at any point in time and then dedicate your sights entirely on that goal. Well, that's true. There's no benefit. If there was a benefit, if there was some fucking Hurricane Higgins money, if there was some fucking Snooker money,

if there was some real Snooker money, you would see it. Even Snooker's not Snooker anymore. No, it's not. You know what? Nothing's like it was. No. Fucking NASCAR teams.

Presidents. Do you want to know that Ford Motor Company just dropped John Force? Now, I'm not a drag racing guy. What's John Force? John Force is the biggest name in NHRA drag racing. Well, he never reached me. He never reached my head. No, dude, you know John Force.

John Force will fuck himself. No, you know John Force. Let's move along. I guarantee if I showed Castrol, you would see it. He's got will fuck himself and let's move along. I guarantee if I showed Castro, you would see it. He's got two hot-ass daughters to drive to. Come on, man. Don't tell me you drive a bike. I told you I like German cars.

Oh, that's right. You're that guy. I like American cars, too. Hey, would you ever build another hot rod? Would you ever build another hot rod? Yes. It would have to be with a friend. My issue with building that car was I didn't know that dude that well, and shit got squirrely.

If you could build another car, what would you build? 69 Camaro or 69 Mustang. Those are my two. There's something about the Summer of Love that created, in my opinion, the perfect cars except for Mopars. Mopars became perfect at 70. Yeah. The 69 Barracuda cannot fuck with the 70 Barracuda or Challenger.

Yeah. There's something about the 1970s cars. That's 69 Mustangs and nasty motherfucker too. Fastback? Yes. Oh, it's about as good as it gets. About as good as it gets. My friend Bud Brutsman, he's got a 69.

Did you ever drive an Eleanor? Did you ever fuck with one? No. No. The real problem is the driving is really, it's fun and it's interesting and you're hopping into a time machine. Sure. 25 minutes later, you're done? Yeah.

It smells like gas. It stinks. You try to take a corner. The fucking ascent slides out on you. The brakes, they lock up and leave these big black patches when a fucking cat runs in front of the road. Meanwhile, you've got this fucking UFO in the garage over there. What ruined me, I had a 996 2003 or 2004, whatever it was, 911 Turbo. That ruined me.

That motherfucker ruined me because it was four-wheel drive. It was zero to 60 in under four seconds. It was the stupidest car I've ever had in my life. And I had no idea that the physics of the movement that that car was capable of were possible. Right. So I would drive like a muscle car after that, and it had a beautiful feeling to it, like the smell and the sound and the the analog steering and the shifting of your own gears like if you could get a standard my barracuda was

actually an automatic which is one of the things i didn't like about it but you built a car and had an automatic put in it was their idea i let them do everything that's how it all happened was your man car suspended or how that worked well it became i i spent the money on it for sure but it was all them telling me. I didn't know enough about the muscle car world. Sure. And so when I was having it built, I didn't. Why the fuck did they put an automatic in it?

Because of the amount of power. The engine was 700 horsepower. Okay, all right. 700 horsepower is an insane amount of money. I mean, it's an insane amount of power and money, but it sounds like a fire-breathing dragon. I mean, and he was saying amount of power and money. But it sounds like a fire breathing dragon. I mean, and he was saying that the clutch just wouldn't handle it. It was just too much

fucking power. Was there a blower on the motor? Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. It was a ridiculous car. It was a ridiculous car. Well, actually, we went up going... You know what? No, no, no. I take that back. We went up going with electronic fuel injection, no blower. 700 horsepower naturally aspirated. When you drive a car like that, or your porsche i could see because like in la there's

porsches everywhere so you can kind of slip under the radar people may not know exactly what the fuck it is but like with a muscle car like that that really just stands out when you drove it was it like a pain in the ass because you had to worry about where you park it it's like putting your dick on the mirror and then putting putting a magnifying glass over your dick and then putting that magnifying glass connecting it to a like a gigantic speaker you know one of those projector screens from high school that's what it was like it was i enjoyed it's kind of uncomfortable what well i enjoyed the people that were cool about it but I did not enjoy the people that weren't cool about it. The best thing that anybody ever said is I was at Sunset leaving the comedy store and I was parked at, there was like a red light and some guy was walking across the street.

And the dude, it was a black dude, of course, because they just have a way with words. He looked at my car. He goes, God damn, that's what I'm talking about. And he just started pointing at me. That's what i'm talking about and he just started pointing me that's what i'm talking about god damn that's a motherfucking car god damn and he walked across the street and he's like god damn two more times he kept pointing at the car he's like god damn that was almost worth having that all the bullshit almost kill you and the wheel fall off the wheel far off was a real issue and the other real issue was the fact that I understood from reading road and track and motor trend and then online blogs,

I started understanding automotive technology. Right. Because before I came into it as a comedian that, you know, stumbled upon some money and, well, that'd be pretty to drive. Like that car. And then you drive it and you just just go what the fuck is this and then i realized that i appreciated a car that actually worked as much or more than i appreciated a car that was beautiful looking is that why you like the porsche over ferrari yes you know why i like it because there's a feel to it that it's like i know they're not as good looking like if i see a ferrari a for to me a ferrari 458 italia yeah is about as beautiful as someone can engineer right i mean it might be less beautiful 10 years from now because they figure out a new shape or it might be less beautiful because there's a new aesthetic but to me that's like as beautiful but who is this car for is it for that's a four

five eight talia i mean look at that fucking thing that thing is mid-engine fantastic italian engineering and designs all those slits you see those where the hood reaches the bumper and there's this like sort of triangular opening that's for downforce and cooling and the vents underneath the front bumper are all for downforce. It's a fucking marvel of engineering. Plus the history, the racing history, the F1, everything. Nothing wrong with it. However, a lot of that shit is for other people.

And that's where I feel like a bitch. I personally feel like a bitch when I'm doing things for other people. Sure. There's a balance between other people and myself and I feel like that balance is almost like a gritty old muscle car or a 73 911 RS that you haven't really RS are that you you haven't fucking done anything to the paint five years chips around your got chips around your wheel wells. Patina.

You develop some patina. You've got a few nicks in your hoods. You don't give a fuck. Some Steve McQueen shit going on. Some Steve McQueen shit. Some Steve McQueen shit for real. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about, man.

It's like we've gone to this manicured nail era. What are you wearing, a wig? What the fuck are you doing? There's some bullshit going on where people are gravitating towards the non-manly way. And that non-manly way is pulling them there because of scarcity and because it's difficult to acquire attractive women that want to fuck you unless you appeal to their aesthetics. Well, I tell you what, you just touched on something that I really believe in this country is a big thing. And maybe it's just because of the way I look at the world, but the, you know, there is a lot of shit out there, like especially modern media, things like that. I was, here's a perfect example. You look

at, I'm a movie, I love movies. Me too. If they're good. Yeah. And I'm a child of the eighties. Okay. Hey, hold on a second. Let's stop this podcast, and we're going to start up another one because we're about at three hours, right? Yeah, you just got to stop Ustream. I'm going to have to stop the audio. We're going to stop Ustream. We're going to come back with the audio. I'm going to take a piss.

Justin is going to take a piss. Yes, absolutely. You know, because people have complained. It sounds ridiculous. People have complained. They go, dude, you're – no, the opposite. Why your podcast stop at three hours? Oh, okay. We're not going to stop at three hours? Oh, okay.

We're not going to stop at three hours. We're going to do an additional hour. Right. But we're going to wrap this bitch up right now. So the next one will be no commercials, no bullshit, no nothing. We're just going to drain our bladders. And we got more shit to talk about. Justin's my brother.

We've been friends for... How long have we been friends now? Five years. We got a lot of shit to talk about. I love you, man. We're going to talk some more. So let's shut this fucking podcast off. Let's thank all of our sponsors, including audible.com.

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So I've always been a fan of audible.com, and to this day, a fan not just because of that, because of the service they provide. The service they provide is excellent. One free audio book, 30 free days of audible service. Go to audible.com forward slash Joe. And thanks also to Citrix GoToMeeting. Citrix, who presented us. I don't know how this works. GoToMeeting by Citrix.

I don't know who these Citrix are or why you need such a fucking e-hug, but I want to give it to you. Here's an e-hug, Citrix. GoToMeeting is the name of the company. And I want you guys to try this out. GoToMeeting.com. Get a free, click the Try It Free button and get free 30 days of GoToMeeting service. It's a special offer. Use the promo code JRE and go and check it out.

Free for 30 days. It's an excellent service. I've heard a lot of go and check it out. Free for 30 days. It's an excellent service. I've heard a lot of good things about it online. And like I said, eventually we're going to do something. Maybe we'll do it like once a month. We'll have a GoToMeeting online conference. We'll discuss the nature of the future reality while you show me your asshole and wear a fucking Guy Fawkes mask.

But until then, go to gotomeeting.com, use the promo code JRE, and try it free for 30 days. It's an excellent service, and it allows you to have meetings with people when you're not actually able to physically touch them. Okay. All right, you fucks. We'll be right back in about five minutes with my brother Justin, and that's a wrap.