The Joe Rogan Experience - #409 - Patrick Magee

Episode Date: October 29, 2013

Patrick Magee is a special effects and make-up artist, currently operating Magee FX providing special effects make-up, props, and animatronics to movies, tv, music videos, and theme parks.

I have a show Thursday. Was that all? But that was all those things. Yeah. Yeah. You got a show Thursday at the American Comedy Company, one of the best new clubs in the country, folks. Yes.

For the longest time, Brian and I and everybody really said, God damn it, why doesn't the fucking San Diego area have another comedy club? Yeah. Because it was like only the La Jolla Comedy Store back in the day, like way back in the day. And then there's American Comedy Company. And what's the other one that's down there too? Madhouse.

Madhouse. Madhouse. Yeahhouse, yeah. That place is really nice also. Yeah, those are like real comedy clubs. Like San Diego's got real comedy now. And then, of course, always La Jolla. But the American Comedy Company is a sweet spot. It's like the perfect shape comedy club.

It's small. It's packed in. You only get like 200 people in there. And it's a low ceiling. It's fucking awesome. It's a great place. And this show on Halloween night so if you're a normal person not a weirdo like me with kids. You know one of them

breeders that's got to go walking around begging for candy. Normal people looking for shit to do. It's an awesome show and a lot of funny guys including... I didn't even say his name. I can't say people's names because they have local gigs before that that they're promoting. It's so lame. There's a headliner that I can't say his name. Very they have local gigs before that that they're promoting. It's so lame. Yeah, there's a headliner that I can't say his name.

Very funny guy, though. Very funny guy. Good friend of ours. Looks a lot like we've been on our podcast many times. But Brody Stevens is going to be there. Tony Hinchcliffe, Billy Bonnell, Dean Deloray, Sam Tripoli. It's going to be a Halloween party. We're going to have a lot of fun.

Yeah, and a lot of fun, guys. So go there. Check that out. American Comedy Company. And this weekend, I'm at the Irvine Improv. Oh, snap. That's it. Press the music. Pat McGee's here.

We're going to talk about how to scare the fuck out of you. It's all the culture. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. All right, Pat McGee's here, and if you've ever heard people come in the studio and say, what the fuck, man, what's that thing from,

the werewolf that's in the front that greets people when they open the door? It's Pat McGee's creation. And I saw Pat's work online, and everybody who listens knows him. I've always been a werewolf dork since I was a little kid, and the idea that I could actually get a fucking full been a werewolf dork since I was a little kid and uh the idea that I could actually get a fucking full-size werewolf like that and then I can get a guy like you to make it to me I was happier than a little kid who like when school got out for the summer I was I

was so pumped up and the thing is amazing I put a million pictures of it up on Instagram but every time people come in it's the coolest thing to have at the door like as soon as they of it up on Instagram, but every time people come in, it's the coolest thing to have at the door. Like, as soon as they open it up. Thank you. They see your work. That's why I made it. I mean, ever since I was seven years old, I wanted to have one of those myself. So that's what pushed me to make this. Is that the ultimate monster in a movie?

For me, absolutely. I saw that movie when I was seven and scared the heck out of me and haunted me. So I had to find out, you know, you're always told monsters aren't real. So, OK, it must have been made by somebody. And I found out who made it and I, you know, felt like, OK, I got to get into this. I had the exact same path when I was a kid. I deviated from it somewhere along the line, but I had always been an illustrator. I'd always drew, drew a lot of comic book stuff. And, uh, that's what I wanted

to do for a living. I wanted to be a comic book artist. And then somewhere along the line, I saw Star Wars and I was like, Holy fuck, like fuck drawing. Like I need to learn how to make a mask like that. Like the cantina scene in Star Wars. And then I read about it because I used to buy all those magazines on special effects. And I read about it. And, you know, they were talking about how Rick Baker just basically used a bunch of masks that he had laying around and put them on people and, you know, hooked people up. But I remember watching that scene when the thing's snarling at him. It doesn't move at all. You know?

It's so crude in comparison to today, the way the thing looks. It's so fucking fake looking. But back then, I was blown away. I was like, what a great job to be able to create King Kong, to be able to create a werewolf. A whole generation was

affected by that stuff. He's the best, right? Is he the Richard Pryor, Rick Baker? He's the man. He's the best right is he is he the like the richard pryor richard rick baker he's the man is he the rick he's the richard pryor of like the guys that everybody bows down to i'd even say he's the michael jordan whoa yeah wow it is yeah he found a way to make benicio del toro's wolfman scary yeah that worked well it worked the movie was a piece of poo yeah but it worked yeah absolutely but it was it was so fun though it was too bad that the movie like the story wasn't compelling or the way it was put together what didn't click for whatever reason because the

scenes with the actual wolfman itself are fucking wicked you know it's an interesting kind of wolfman sure like to see when he turns when he's in in front of all the scientists Brian see if you can find that shit on on YouTube. It's Benicio del Toro turns into a werewolf. It's a great scene It's one of the best werewolf transformation scenes ever, but the movie was so poo that nobody cared It's just like it cut it kind of like yeah Dismissed once Anthony Hopkins transformed it kind of it was. Once Anthony Hopkins transformed, it kind of. It was like, wait a minute, what? And he was so, and also like, you know what freaks me out about werewolves?

When they gain mass. Yeah. Like where's that mass coming from? Yeah. Okay. I'm not a fucking scientist, but I've, you know, I've read enough Neil deGrasse Tyson. Well, yeah. Nowadays, the theory is let's make it, you know, 13 feet.

Yeah. Every movie, they're about a foot taller and 100 pounds heavier. How does it get so big? Isn't it made out of a person? I mean, a person has to eat food to get bigger. You can't just get bigger, dummy. You can't just make mass out of nothing. You can't make mass out of voodoo.

That shit drives me crazy. I know I'm supposed to have suspension of disbelief when I'm watching a fucking Wolfman movie especially. Sure. But for me, for whatever, this is not the scene. Benicio Del Toro in, there's one, he's in a hospital or like a, it's actually like a place

where the university studies, like a medical school. Okay. See if you can find it because he's strapped to a chair and all these doctors are talking about how insane he is because he thinks he's going to turn into a wolf

and then he tells them he's going to kill them all. That's fucking awesome. It's all at like 10 at night because they all should be there at 10 at night. Well, that's what they did back then. No, that's not it, man. How dare you?

Those old ones. But that was actually what inspired it. It's funny that you put that on because that's what actually inspired the look that Rick Baker tried for in the Benicio Del Toro one. Who was the guy that was the main guy back then that was doing like the wolf man and the old? the old jack jack pierce jack pierce yeah this is it slowed down a little so you can see it yeah but put in real time well no no i mean the videos no

a lot of it in real time though a lot of that's now computer graphics here yeah i'll have to find most of it right yeah it looks like the hobbit there's like a subtle thing where you can kind of tell like right there that looks fake as fuck The Hobbit. There's like a subtle thing where you can kind of tell, like right there. That looks fake as fuck. And it's funny. It's like, yeah, they made his eyes go yellow, and then they put Benicio. They have a shot of Benicio as Benicio with his brown eyes. Yeah.

Isn't it funny how you can see when things are fake? It's like still, like this is really good. I mean, the computer graphics that they do. Put a volume up so we can hear what this guy's saying, too. I love this scene. But there's, like, something like the I Am Legend thing where you know when something's not real. It's not really there.

The physics are off on the, you know, the movement. Yes. And the weight that they have. That's always been my argument, and Duncan Trussell's as well, about the Patterson Bigfoot footage. It looks like a man. I smell a man. It's moving like a man.

I've seen gorillas walk. I've seen chimps walk. I've seen orangutans walk. I've seen baboons walk. They all have their own little thing where it looks like that thing. But when I watch that Bigfoot, I'm like, that's a guy. That's not a different new prim'm like that's a guy that's not a different new primate that's a regular dude that's a dude in a stupid fucking monkey suit well

and it could be a guy that or an ape that's more man like you know and could be so it's possible which would suggest the walking like a man yeah it is always possible i mean it's always possible that a guy who went to jail for writing a bad check to pay for the very camera that he used to film the Bigfoot footage that he said he was going to hoax, that he told people, and that a guy whose name is Bob Hieronymus that he hired to do this looks exactly like Bigfoot, walks like Bigfoot. Have you ever seen the video of the two of them walking side by side? No. It's hilarious. Guy looks exactly like him. But it would be pretty ironic if it was a real Bigfoot footage, but it was captured by a con man.

That'd actually be kind of a cool scene for a movie. Sure. Like, nobody would believe, because this guy's been crying wolf his whole life, bullshitting people. And, you know, con men in the 1960s were very fucking crude. By the time they were 30, everybody knew they were a con man. You know, the word gets out when you're wearing a fucking monkey suit

and pretend you're a mythical creature wandering through the woods. When you saw that, is there ever a time when you looked at that and go, that's real for sure?

No, never. How fake does it look in your expert opinion? Well, it's, the footage is so grainy and tough, so I mean, technically,

from the artistic standpoint, it's tough to really get a good look at it. But just the profile with the size of the belly, I mean, it's well done, especially for its time. Yeah. And it's got that, you know, cool, shaky camera look that really helps sell it. And the camera falls, I think, at the end

or he picks it up at the beginning. So, I mean, it feels right. It feels right until it's slowed down. and then you start analyzing it and of course you can pick it all apart yeah see when you look at it through the shaky camera you're like holy shit like back in the 70s like when in search of was on tv that's all we saw we saw this and we're like oh my god i thought it was real for sure when i was a kid i was like they said it on tv they said it's a big foot the guy got a bigfoot. But then when you watch it, like, slowed down and then

enhanced. And then you look at how little detail you're really seeing. Like, everything's all flush. Like, everything's, like, bright. Like, the leaves and trees. It's all almost white. Like, there's no detail at all. So you're pretending that you see all this detail in this monkey suit, but ignoring the fact

that you can't see the fucking trees. Where's he going? He's very nonchalant about it. It's a girl, supposedly. Oh, where's she going? She's going to go get some dicks. Bigfoot dick. It's off in the woods.

There's a lot of Bigfoot dick out there. She's kind of nonchalant. Like, oh, I was spotted. Okay, I'm off to lunch. There's no real purpose to the movement. Look at this. okay, I'm off to lunch. Like, you know, there's no real purpose to the movement.

Yeah, look at this. To me, there's like some moments where she picks her feet up, or it, or he, Bob Hieronymus, and the bottom of the feet, it's fucking shoes, man. Having worn big feet, big rubber feet like that, you got to really throw your legs up higher, and it's definitely apparent. And that was one of the things that they said, that the gate was off. It was hilarious. I was talking to this expert when i was doing the sci-fi show

he was arguing to death with me about this he was like the average gate of a human being and so it was like you know nine degrees but the big foot is like 25 degrees i go oh you mean you would have had to do this and then i started walking around like bigfoot i'm like what the fuck man like you're supposed to be a scientist. Like, you're crazy. That's a guy in a suit. But it's like a, it's a cryptozoological Jesus. Like, you're not supposed to fuck with the Patterson-Gimlin footage.

They all believe it. I have not talked to one of those dudes who are like crazy Bigfoot fanatics who think it's a hoax. Wow. They all so fucking want to believe. I got so high once i believe for 15 whole minutes i thought for a second and we were at the ice house and we were doing a comedy show and then

we started talking shit and we played the footage and we were so baked i was looking at the video and i was like oh my god what if it's real and i'm just an asshole what if it's real and this whole time i've been denying like the greatest discovery in cryptoozoological history, and I'm just being a dick. But then I sobered up. Well, it's like wanting to believe in real monsters. I mean, the Loch Ness Monster is another one. I mean, every culture has one. The Loch Ness Monster's got to be the biggest pussy of all time because he never kills anybody.

How do you get to be a monster? It's like calling a whale a monster. They just become missing people because they're taken under the water. Did you see Bobcat Goldthwait's movie? No. It's called Woody Creek. What's it called? Woody Creek? Is that what it is? Hollow Creek.

Willow Creek? Willow Creek. Make sure that's right. Google that shit. But it's a great movie. It's about Bigfoot. He did a Blair Witch Project movie about Bigfoot. That style. People that went looking for Bigfoot. It's fucking fun, man.

Bobcat Goldthwait is bananas about Bigfoot. Totally believes. He's so rational, too. He believes in the Patterson footage. We were talking. I was like, Bobcat Goldthwait? How dare you? How dare you, Bobcat Goldthwait? I respect you? How dare you, Bobcat Goldthwait?

I respect you so much. You don't think that's a guy in a monkey suit? That's weird. Your opinion, though. Your expert opinion. What is that? What are we looking at? For the Patterson footage?

Just for the record. What are we looking at? A man in a suit? A man in a suit. Yeah. 100%, right? 99%. Jesus Christ.

He's a fucking special effects expert and these knuckle heads are like there's ways that the legs move that you just can't do with the human frame they want to convince themselves so bad that a con man figured out how to find bigfoot and did it in like a day you knowsholes. I never believed. I never. I did. I don't think anyone really believes. Oh, yeah, I did.

I did. But I was young as I got older. I probably believed deep into my 30s. You know, I probably never looked into it until I was like 30, you know? And then I probably was like, wait a minute, what? And then I started really looking into it, you know? Because I remember like,

before the internet came along, shows like In Search Of, things like that, you just sort of got this like cursory idea of what a subject was about. Well, there was, you know, any, any weirdness, you got like a real quick glance and then it was up to you to go to work. You know, you had to go to a bio book, go to a library, look into it, try to figure out what the fuck it's all about. But if you had questions about Bigfoot, good fucking luck. What are you doing? There was no online. So how are you going to find out what's true or not true?

And if you see something on TV that's showing you, that's why the responsibility back then for delivering the news was so much more important than the responsibility today. And I think because there's so many outlets today, it's one of the reasons why journalism has fucking collapsed. It's essentially slowly but surely being engulfed by the internet like all these old journalists like these like proud old institutions are like openly mocked now online like cnn and new york times and then there was a thing recently they

were saying that the new york times actually stifles information stifles the release of information yeah there was a criticism about the New York Times about the way the New York Times actually stifles journalism. It's like, it's a fascinating thing because they're trying to hang on to this old way of doing it, which is an amazing way. You know, everybody owes the New York Times a debt of gratitude for having an intelligent newspaper for years and years and years. I'm not criticizing them. They're amazing. But apparently, they, you know, they're very hypers They're amazing. But apparently they're very hypersensitive about new

media. The way they criticized Vice when they had that Vice thing. Did you ever see that interview where one of the guys from New York Times is shitting all over the Vice guy, Shane Smith? No. And Shane's totally keeping his cool, trying to keep it together, explain what they're doing. But this guy's making it

seem like his version of journalism was so much more important than theirs. He's mocking what they did in Liberia. Like, oh, so you went over there and you took pictures of poop. And that's like this, this mockingness, this is like disdain for new media. It's very apparent. A lot of people that have made their, their living doing that, the same distribution of information, you know, where that they controlled back from the beginning, from the Hearst publication days to magazines and newspapers just a couple of decades ago, they controlled all of the information that gets released. And now their distribution of information is being challenged by people and they have to survive or fail on their own merits.

So things like Huffington Post and Salon, they blow up and then everybody's scrambling because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are we going to do for a living now? Like we had, you know, the freedom of the press and people don't take it as seriously anymore. It's like the responsibility of putting the truth out during the in-search of days was like so much stronger than today,

which is why people get away with just putting on nonsense today because there's so much information just flowing at you that the government can release some stupid fucking version of the truth and people just suck it up because there's just so much else coming at them it just gets caught in the river of shit the river of gay marriage and banks foreclosing on people and it just gets swept away with all the other stuff but back then if, if the New York Times printed, hey, they found a fucking tape recorder that Nixon stuck in his campaign opponent's

house or wherever the fuck he stuck it in, their offices. That was a big deal. If that shit happened today, whatever. Did you see what fucking Halle Berry did? Oh my god, that crazy bitch. Nothing. See what I'm saying? See what Miley Cyrus did? Oh my god. If M bitch. Did you see what? Nothing. See what I'm saying? Did you see what Miley Cyrus did? Oh my god.

If Miley Cyrus made a video where she 69'd Kim Kardashian, the world would explode. It would just blow up. People would completely forget everything going on. War would stop. People would go, shut the fuck up. Every country in the world would be rushing to their computers.

They would have a ceasefire and they would all go online and watch it. That's how fucking stupid people are. I believe in that. I believe in you. We believe in each other. You see this? Somebody took the footage and... Oh, broke it down?

Yeah. Yeah, that's the kind of suit. 100%? Give me 100. And he had to turn his whole waist because he's got that mask on. It probably didn't move so well. Yeah, exactly.

Well, that's what they say. Well, the torso of a human being is not shaped like that. Note that like a lower primate, his head sits lower on his chest. He essentially doesn't have a neck. Or he's wearing shoulder padded and a monkey suit. Or that. It could be that too, dude. No, no, no. They don't want to believe man i think you

posted something the other day and kind of going with that with the news did you you do you think religion doesn't it's going to not be around much longer well there was this information it's really only one yeah it's possible but it was really only one study the one guy said they gave it to like 2041 but i think religion is a lot like believing in Bigfoot you know there's a lot it's there's a lot of the same aspects to it there's just well I went looking for Bigfoot and for this TV show and when we're out there there was a part of me that was fucking hoping that Bigfoot was out there it was like the childhood mystery like regained but in a

safe way you know cuz there's no fucking Bigfoot most likely so you was out there. It was like the childhood mystery regained, but in a safe way. Because there's no fucking Bigfoot, most likely. So you're out there looking. It's not like you're looking for the wolf man. That motherfucker's real. If there really was a werewolf, if we found out it really was real, and what we hoped is that nobody survives. He kills a few people every once a month,

and we hope everybody survives because if they don't survive, then they become a werewolf. We don't want them to survives because if they don't survive then they become or if they if they we don't want them to survive because they survive then become a werewolf we would feel like we'd have it under containment like don't fight if he bites you accept your fate we like give coaching lessons on how to let the werewolf kill you most likely you won't even feel it your adrenaline to be rushing it'll be over before you know it at least you know that way you won't eat your family you won't come back and eat your family we got one werewolf yeah they're all like that out in england out in the far off regions in the moors they know that that's code that's

the code that's the code how the fuck did the werewolf theme where did uh where did that thing come from where is that mythology in mythology i think just a person transforming into any type of animal so they got where cats and where birds i'm sure they didn't really take off though and um the werewolf stayed where cats was just cat people remember that exactly natasha kinski yeah great movie yeah not a bad movie was david bowie in that uh music he had a he did the like a song yeah that was for the time it was sexy it was a sexy movie yeah and that was for the time. It was sexy. It was a sexy movie. Yeah. And that really hot Italian chick or whatever she was.

It would have been really good. It had a little subpar makeup effect. I did it. That was like the follow-up to American Werewolf in London. Oh, subpar? That's not good. They fucked it with American Werewolf in Paris. That was brutal.

That was like, who let you do this? Very, very sad day when that came out. Well, they did everything in the wrong direction. That's where a guy like John Landis, there's certain dudes that just know

how to make a movie. They just let him do whatever he wants to do. He knows how to do it. When you see a movie like American Werewolf in London, it's like,

John Landis is not known for being a horror movie director. He's a comedy guy. And he trusted his makeup guy, and he listened. And, you know, to do this special makeup effects stuff for a film,

you need a lot of prep time and time to think it through and figure out each shot, and he gave him that. And I don't think there's been a werewolf movie since. It's really had that much time to figure out all the effects.

I mean, there really isn't a transformation since that movie that's come close. It's too bad. I mean, that's ridiculous because it's so good. Is that one of the hardest things to do in special effects? Make a person become something else? Like turn a guy into some crazy animal or monster? I think the most, depending on what it is,

I think the hardest is to try to replicate the human form or animals to where as humans we all know what that looks like. So, again, a nod to Rick Baker when he did Coming to America and transformed Eddie Murphy and all those different characters or the Nutty Professor. We, you know, as humans, we all know, OK, an overweight man, what he looks like or, you know, human type stuff. So we can be a little more critical about that versus a zombie or, you know, a made-up fantasy creature. That's one of the things that's really odd about the difference between the CGI and the real animal or a real person, a real special effect, like the life of Pi.

I couldn't get into it. I knew there wasn't really a tiger in front of that guy I couldn't get into it I I could let it go a little bit I tried to enjoy it but I couldn't get into it because first of all that cat would fuck him up you're not gonna be able to beat off a tiger with an or like that's not gonna last even a second do you have any idea what you're dealing you're dealing with a giant predatory animal that's been in that exact same form for like a million years because it's uber successful. It's so successful that nature gives it a handicap by making it brightly colored. It's bright white and yellow and orange, black. You see that bitch from a mile away.

They want to let you know. If you see this fucking thing, okay, that's your warning. That's what you get. Run. And this guy is beating it off with a oar on a boat and it looks stupid it doesn't look real and that's kind of i think uh what's happening in films nowadays is uh like a movie like jaws with a huge shark yeah uh they were limited back then to what they could do with it and it really helps the film making style by just showing a fin, just hearing the music and not showing the special effect. And then really limiting what you're seeing really enhances what you think you're seeing, you know, because you obviously think you're seeing more, but you're only seeing a little snippet. And, you know, American Wolf of London is very selective in the shots they show that wolf because it's a guy in there and it's a puppet and you can

only show so much and now i think with cg it's let's just show it all let's just make it jump and flip and spin and you know take it out of the shadows and i think uh it takes the the magic away from it and you know you're instinctively you're not looking at a real object absolutely well like the american werewolf in London, the scene when he's in Piccadilly Square and he's, you know, like snapping, you see like one second of it maybe. It might not even be a second.

It's just, ah, and snapping. And you know it's a real thing that's there. You don't get a chance to analyze it and say, oh, that looks kind of fake when he's walking around on all fours. You just see it for a brief second and it's plenty. It's perfect. Perfect. It's perfect perfect why don't they figure that out today that's a good question so i mean and that's kudos to to john landis you know for that time and oh yeah yeah he nailed it you know it's choices you know another movie they did that in aliens alien to aliens fantastic visual effects special effects there's you know

miniature stuff but the second one i personally think was although a great movie it wasn't as good as the first one because the first one you barely saw that thing and when you saw it you were shitting your pants but in the second one you see them early and often and you get to kill them. Like, wait a minute, you guys could have just killed it like that? So the one that they had on the spaceship,

if they just shot it, like you guys, if they were just badasses like you guys, the movie Alien would be like five minutes long. It would burst out of his chest. They would shoot it.

That would be the end of it. It's the evolution. I mean, they kind of needed to do that. And they had guns and, you know, parades. I know, but it just seems to me

that they didn't. Or, I mean, who the fuck am I to say it? But they had guns and, you know, parades. I know, but it just seems to me that they didn't. Well, I mean, who the fuck am I to say it? But it's just like, it's fun, but it's not the same kind of fun. Alien was terrifying. Alien's a gothic, it's a haunted house movie. Yeah. It's in the dark, again, much like American War of London. It's very limited in what they show you, where Aliens is just a romp.

I mean, they made a comic book off all that that the scene where that woman goes down the stairs was it a woman or a guy who goes down the stairs and it's like they're saying it's right on top of you it's right like the locator of it yeah and you seize it in the light like right in front of one of those half second shots and it's funny because that shot i mean the technology the technology for special effects back then, you can see like plain latex rubber on the glove and it looks like yellow. But it's fine for us. But it's like, bam, right there because he was rubbing it off or who knows what. Wow.

It was so good. That's a masterpiece. And it kind of shows you like how sometimes the details don't really matter when the broad brush strokes are right. You can get away with a lot too. Well, and in a real scenario, like how much would you see? You'd be in terror. You'd be running. And I think that when you really lock on something and focus,

in my opinion, it's the focus of a calm person because there's no freaking out going on with your visuals. You're seeing something like on a really flat level plane that's moving around in front of you. And you're not reacting in any way visually the way a person would. And like when you're in a scene and something's chasing you and you fucking see the camera running and you see this thing bounding through, you feel like you're getting chased because that's what it feels like when you're running. You see things move. But if you just paused on some stupid underworld werewolf as it does battle with a vampire like bitch

You're not fooling me at all. I am NOT there. I'm not involved in this experience I'm just watching this absolutely whereas an alien you were involved when you were climbing with him down those stairs And he's going down that ladder into that area where the alien is and you kind of guess that that's what's happening You're like oh fuck. Oh fuck and then the alien is, and you kind of guess that that's what's happening. You're like, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. And then he hits the light, and you see it behind him. That's a sensory experience. It's real.

And it's real reactions with real motivation. Yeah. That aspect is missing for some reason off the menu of horror. For years. Why? What happened? What happened, Pat McGee? Maybe comic for years. Why? What happened? What happened, Pat McGee? Maybe comic book movies.

Really? Did they fuck it up? I think, you know, from my perspective, from a special effects makeup person, and special effects movies of the 70s, 80s, the big ones, even Star Wars, back then they had to make these movies in the camera so they had to they had to pre-plan and figure out how to do all this in advance so now they're they'll jump into production and they'll be

shooting a movie without having a script and not even know where it's going with the thought of oh well we'll fix we always know we can fix it later because we can do it in a computer so if they didn't get this specific shot here or there, light it and have it live, real with a performer reacting to it, they can just create it out of nothing. Wow. And that's why, I mean, the underworld movies and whatnot, you know, it affects everything, the performance, the tone, you know, the mood. You know what I wish they had CGI for back then?

The backgrounds. Because there's a few movies that I bought on Blu-ray, and when you buy them regular, like in regular definition, you don't see the detail. Blu-ray is tearing up old movies a lot. It's actually hurt, yeah. Compared to the old video rental you'd get of the 80s where it was extra grainy, and it actually sold it even that much more.

It felt like the Patterson footage. It made it sell it easier. Yeah, exactly. I watched Aliens on Blu-ray. And I was like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. And I watched it with my daughter. I was trying to tell her how cool it is. And I'm like, oh my God, this looks like shit.

She didn't buy into it? No, there's a scene where the jet is parked in front of a mural, like this fake jet. And there's a mural of other fake jets. It's so obvious that it's a mural. I mean, it's so bad. It's incredible. When you see it in Blu-ray, you've got to watch that movie in the medium that it was created for. You have to.

You've got to get a standard resolution. That's important. Yeah, you can see a lot of wires. They use fishing line to make tails move. Yeah, you can see a lot of wires, and they use like fishing line to make tails move. Yeah, you don't want that, folks. You don't want that, folks. What are they going to do with the new Godzilla? Are they going to bitch out and go full CGI?

Oh, absolutely. Those fuckers. Don't they know? Shouldn't they do a combination of both? Wouldn't that be the best move? Or more practical with a little bit of enhancement. I mean, again, CGI is a really good tool if used properly. And I think, again, the fact that with CGI you can do whatever you wanted to do.

I think there's the option to want to show more and not have that restraint. And, you know, there's some really good, you know, Jurassic Park's a great example of good CGI. But there's something about Jurassic Park, and this is my take on CGI. I think that CGI works as long as the animal's not a real animal. I can buy a dinosaur moving in CGI because I've never seen a dinosaur in real life. But I know what a wolf really looks like. When I see a CGI dire wolf on Game of Thrones, I'm like, bitch. Definitely.

What am I, 12? That's not real. That's not a real wolf. That wolf's not licking shit. Nothing's happening here. Absolutely. This is not real. But at what level is it possible to make movies with real objects? When you get to a Godzilla movie level where it's this make movies with real objects when you get to a godzilla movie level

where it's like this huge full-scale thing it's smashing through buildings like it seems like it's almost impossible to not have that be a cgi well they should probably more and you don't want to notice it as much but it's it's usually hidden really well as they'll do like the building damage a lot of that will be miniatures, and I'm assuming they will do that. The Lord of the Rings movies, and a lot of big CGI movies that have a lot of destruction and earth shaking and buildings falling. If it looks pretty much believable, it'll be a miniature. That's why.

You know what drives me fucking crazy? When I watch The Walking Dead, and they stab a zombie in the head. And I'm like, bitch, I'm seeing pixels. You are not stabbing a zombie. It's so fake. Like the physics of the knife going into the head is so wrong. The way the body with the blood coming out is so wrong. It's all so fake.

It's almost like they're trying to make it less realistic on purpose. Yeah, so they can. Kind of comic book-y almost. Yeah, almost. Which's all so fake. It's almost like they're trying to make it less realistic on purpose. Kind of comic book-y almost. Yeah, almost. Which is what it is. The makeups, I think, of the zombies, they look great. I think they're as cool as they've ever looked in a zombie movie. Absolutely. But there again, it sort of reinforces your point. Those are real. It's real makeup.

You're not looking at like, I loved I Am Legend. I thought it was fun. It was a fun movie. I was looking forward to forward to it yeah but the CGI was weird the story was great sure it was interesting it was exciting you know that scene where he's trying to get his dog you know and like the Sun's coming down and he's got a fucking flea that's a great goddamn scene that seems incredible the feeling like will will Smith was incredible in it. The background, it looked incredible.

But when those stupid fake lions wander out and kill the deer, I was like, are you kidding me? Do you know how dumb that looks? It looks so fake and so I'm not connected to this movie anymore. You just fucked me. Yeah, it's easy. I mean, it's like

terrible acting, right? Anything. me yeah it's it's easy oh yeah it's like terrible acting right anything yeah it's um it's so there's a thing that happens when we know what something looks like whether it's a whale or a shark when you see a digital version of it it's just not i know it's not real and that's for now that's the same theory with like these monsters like a predator i mean aliens pretty abstract but a lot of the really cool creature effects tend to have it's all stuff being drawn from animals and real life looking things and that's what really helps the transition from total fantasy to still feeling believable is that we're pulling you know eyes from this thing here and teeth from a reptile there. It's amazing what you guys can do now.

Some of the makeup and special effects, both on The Walking Dead and... Was World War Z makeup or was it CGI? That was a lot of makeup. Well, the big crowd scenes were obviously CG. Obviously. But at the end, when you got all in the tight corners, you saw a lot of makeup.

Isn't it funny that even the big crowd scenes, when they're stacking up on top of each other, you still can tell it's not real? Oh, yeah. Well, in the trailers. But even in little images of little tiny fake people, you still know they're fake people. What is that? What is going on there? How do you know?

Do they move wrong like what is it about like CGI that alerts you well having the hordes of people that they had yeah it's kind of just it's not right it's you know it seems physically impossible I guess I don't know but even when they walk around the ground like I remember the oldest version was Titanic I remember laughing out loud in the movie when they fly over the titanic and i look at the people walking i'm like ah just fucking you selling me man that shit doesn't look real at all it looks so bad see if you could pull that up it's you know i think the other thing is it it's uh it's very overwhelming and it's like there's almost too much stuff going on. So you can't even take it all in.

I mean, I think for the newer Star Wars movies, they have these shots, these scenes with a thousand spaceships and so many things going on. I feel like I just sit back and I can't take it all in. It's too much. It's overload. And so it's like, okay, whereas these other movies, these classics we're talking about, they're more focused and they're pinpoint on. Yeah. This is exactly what I want you to see. And it's also because of the fact that they had less to work with.

They had to be a bit more imaginative. They had to be a bit more creative because they had to give you the experience in a way that is not reliant entirely on the appearance of the animal or appearance of the monster and that's like that would become like the shot selection yeah we can't make it yeah this that the other it's a guy in a rubber suit so they limit it to you and it's effective it's a fascinating thing though that we're like gluttons like now that we can do it and we can make a fake godzilla whatever, we just want to see it in every scene, just fucking shit up, just going crazy and attacking. I want to see 100 of them.

I want to just flood my screen. So I walk out of there and go, wow, that was nuts. Well, sure, and they got the making of. I mean, just the fact that you can freeze frame and get a perfectly clear image of anything now. I mean, I remember as a kid, as a 7-year-old kid, watching a tape of American World of London, you'd hit pause on your VCR

and it was all fuzzy with the little line through the middle. And I'm trying to draw the damn thing. Yeah. Now, I mean, everyone's, it's an easy, you can be a critic so easily. Do you remember how bad pause was? Remember? Remember, especially if you were watching pornography, I'm not suggesting this, but you tried to get

like a good pause, like good luck. And it would only last for like four minutes. And then it would get white and weird. No, then it would stop or start playing again. You have to rewind and re-pause at the same time. Yeah, and it would wiggle on you. Terrible, terrible pause. I used to try to edit videos with two VCRs,

hitting pause on one and record on the other one, and the pause would always be like a slight delay of like two seconds, so you had to try to hit pause before you wanted to stop. So the whole movie was just really horrible cuts, two seconds too much. Yeah, back when people used to edit with

two VCRs, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. That was state-of-the-art just a few decades ago. The future of this kind of special effects, there's there's some um stuff that they're working on at nvidia they they let me see uh some of their what they're called uh bridging the uncanny valley they want to be able to create video games that essentially directly mimic what you look like like almost exactly and what they have now is they have an

actor doing a certain amount of moving around and then they put him inside this program they film him and then they put him inside this program and they can adjust all sorts of variables

they can make it like black and white they can make it really shadowy they can put a sun above him they can put the sun to the left

and to the right get close pull back and the resolution is a fucking amazing but when it starts talking there's just a little part of you that goes no that's not real man there's something going on here sure whereas even that stupid werewolf in a walking on all fours in piccadilly square because you only saw it for a second you fucking believe that was real yeah well and i think um another thing with the modern

technology and uh modern filmmaking is there's so many people involved now creatively and these older movies uh basically like american world of london john landis said hey make it like this make it on four legs make it run around i gotta do got to do this, that, and the other. And he basically said, you make your scary werewolf, Rick Baker. And he made his, what, individually, you know, his version of a scary werewolf. So it's kind of like his artistry on its own versus now you have studio executives and producers and, you know, the guy next door, you know,

they're all giving in hey it needs an extra leg no it needs to be this and so you kind of lose that organic fluidity of an individual or a couple people's you know insight and you have mr. potato head there's a few guys that I think influenced the way that werewolf looked few artists I think for Zetta might have influenced the way that werewolf look too because for Zetta had done a few different werewolf looked, a few artists. I think Frazetta might have influenced the way that werewolf looked, too. Because Frazetta had done a few different werewolf ones that were much more wolf-like and really big and hairy. And there was also those creepy and eerie comic books.

Did you ever read those? Absolutely. Fucking great, weren't they? Look at that thing. That's the howling, though. The howling wasn't quite as good. That's Bad Moon. Is it?

That's a movie called Bad Moon. Yeah, Rob Zombie, right? Steve Johnson did the special effects on that. And there was like a morph. So you got a little bit of makeup, but then a silly morph. And again, it's like. Bad Moon, huh? I never heard of this.

Yeah, it's in the mid-90s. Muriel Hemingway's in that. Oh, Jesus Christ. I saw this stupid thing. Yeah. now I remember I blocked it out of my memory like an alien abduction the German shepherd

the family pet saves the day in that one look at this oh this is so stupid that is really bad that's morphine yeah there's a weird thing where people want to see

all that stupid shit now compare this to the American werewolf in the London transformation scene. And this is like 10 years later. That's like 15. 15 years later? Wow, that's so bad.

Look how stupid that thing is. But meanwhile, that would be fucking terrifying or something like that. Or in a cursed. This is a different movie? Yeah, even worse. is this just all werewolf transformations right i think so that actually looked better to me that's that's a werewolf that at one point gives you the finger oh yeah there's a scene at the end where it gives you

finger and it's like who's this girl she's a famous actress she's gonna transform she's gonna transform oh just dirty bitch oh no werewolf so here's the perfect example see how it's all one shot you got to get it's all one shot? You've got to get it all in one shot, and it's not very dramatic that way. Right. Oh, what the heck is this? Her hair fell off. She turned into a horrible CGI.

Oh, she's yoked now. Oh, the whole... Here's that... She's so yoked. She's a lawnmower man. Imagine if you had a chick and her back was like that. You'd be like, damn, I've got to do rows. Oh, this is horrible.

She'd keep up with my girl. That was a hyena face. If you date one of those super ultra cross-fitting chicks, it looks more like a bear. It's gotta be the perfect example of I would like to think not really having a good plan going into making this film. But meanwhile,

if you did it American Werewolf in London style, it could be effective. It's not bad looking. When's in total like mouth open, a gape, scary. If you saw it in the dark and you didn't have much detail and, you know, you didn't have many scenes with it. And with even the transformation with the technology we use with silicone as a skin and the mechanical contraptions that we can come up with to approach a transformation just like they did in American War of London now, you could refine

it and not have to incorporate any CG and it would probably be a lot better. Pull up the transformation scene from the American War of London. That one was really bad. That one you just saw? Yeah, it was awful. The howling wasn't that good either though. And that came out the same that one was really bad that one you just saw yeah it was awful yeah the Howling

wasn't that good either though and that came out the same year as American Werewolf and it's funny because we're on the same page here in the effects industry

I've come across the Howling fans and then there's the American Werewolf side and they it's unbelievable that's hilarious like you're saying Halloween's shit, blah, blah, blah.

There'll be people that'll go say the same about American Werewolf and think that Halloween's this masterpiece. Those people are silly people. But that's always going to be the case, isn't it? With music, with movies. And no one's right or wrong. Turn the volume up so you can hear this. This is a great scene.

The music, the contrast. The sound. And he was a great actor, too, man. He fucking pulled this off better than anybody ever that was turning into a werewolf. I mean, the horror in his face looks so real. You just feel like he's stretching. It's not a fun thing. And I think that's the thing that

these new werewolf transformations are doing. I mean, this is amazing. I remember watching this just thinking, holy shit, what is it going to be like 20 years from now? Meanwhile, it's not any better.

It's amazing. I mean, this is some really... I mean, if you go to the movies and you see this, this is fucking entertaining. This really seems like a guy who's turning into a wolf. Whereas if I see that other thing, it's like you're insulting me. You know?

You're fucking with me, man. The only place that I thought they did it good at all was with the Hulk. The most recent Hulk with the Avengers. Because you can't, it's so big and the mechanics of the Hulk are so crazy. You can never really have a body that moves like that. Sure. Well, you can always just get Lou Ferrigno. Imagine just walking in on this.

Not good enough. The Lou Ferrigno was cool. Yeah, imagine. How far can you run before it turns into the wolf? The Lou Ferrigno thing, though, he was always a guy. Like, the Hulk is not a real guy.

The Hulk is a fucking superhero that's not built like a person. And the new Hulk, the CGI Hulk, looks like the Hulk's supposed to look. It looked good. And they did a good job of putting his face characteristics into it.

This fucking scene is so awesome. And it's great because they show you here the whole body, and he doesn't show you the face. Yeah. It's just good filmmaking. I think the way the shots are selected, it leaves you wanting to see more and not showing you more. And then... Like right there. For me, that's why I watch this thing a thousand times. Because I keep thinking I'm going to see more, not showing you more. Yes. And then... Like right there. For me, that's why I watch this thing a thousand times, because I keep thinking I'm going to

see more and you don't. Yeah, it's a great fucking movie, man. What is your favorite all-time horror movie? Is that it? Well, absolutely American Werewolf in London. What are other examples you think of amazing special effects in movies? For special effects, I mean, my favorite American Morphlin London, Predator. Predator's great too.

I love the fly. How about the Dracula with Gary Oldman? Absolutely. Absolutely. Again, this is some great visual effects. That's a legit fucking movie, man. All the different looks. That was who it was, right?

It was Gary Oldman yes god damn it the thing the 1982 thing I don't know what your thoughts are on that that's a big special effects movie

I loved that movie the new one was kind of whack just I felt like the same thing like the new one I felt like the story was maybe even perhaps a little bit more sophisticated.

The acting was okay. I thought Kurt, I mean, Kurt Russell was fucking great. Because that was Kurt Russell in his prime, too. And the ensemble cast. That was amazing. Everybody was great. T.K. Carter was in that movie. He was a comic that I know from the comedy store.

Old school guy from the comedy store. He was in that movie. He did a bunch of movies. He was the black guy. Yeah, on the roller skates yes yes yes he's a comic and that was like one of many big movies he did but that movie was like everything was good about it and for the time special effects were amazing you know yeah just creepy enough and crazy enough and i prefer the the slightly fake looking real special effects the slightly fake looking cgi i feel like i can buy it more when a guy's stomach opens up into a

big fake mouth and starts chewing and blood so as long as i know it's real blood and a real it's like it feels better to me like if i'm if i'm watching like i said if i'm watching, like I said, if I'm watching, you know, any, like I Am Legend, something about me feels, I'm not letting it in. Do you think people are going to ever really accept, especially with this sort of technology, fake porn? They're not going to. They're going to know, you know? Like if you think like what the trend in porn is, it's all that gonzo stuff, like they pull up to a bus stop

and throw somebody in the back of your van and get a high-definition video of them doing stuff. You're never going to be able to do that. I know, man. If you get, like, a Jessica Rabbit nowadays, like, make her look super realistic. I'm sure they've done that. And then just have her start fucking.

Yeah. That's hot. I'm sure they have, but, nah, it's only hot to retards. You don't think so? So, like, even if Avatar came out and, like and they just started fucking and you start seeing a little pussy? That would be kind of interesting because Avatar is not a... It's my original point. As long as it's not an actual real animal, you don't feel bad about seeing it.

It doesn't make you feel weird. But when a guy... I am legend. I know there's people. That's not moving like a person. What's going on with its jaw? What is it, a rubber face now? This is stupid.

You lost me. I know what's happening here. But if you're showing me a dinosaur, I've never fucking seen a dinosaur. Have you seen a dinosaur? I don't know. Jurassic Park doesn't offend. It seems to me like that looks like a dinosaur.

A Hulk looks like a Hulk. But a fake lion looks like shit. How was another old horror movie that had pretty good makeup was uh the nightmare on elm street that was good underrated movie they made too many shitty sequels sure it became a mockery of itself but the original movie is excellent and he's really kept in the dark there yeah it's a fucking good movie man the original movie is one of the best horror movies of all time but it's it's kind of cheapened in its legacy by the sequels.

They made a hundred sequels. I mean, good for them. They probably made a billion dollars. And the only way you're going to do that is by selling shit. You can't keep pumping out these fucking things every two years and have it be really good and original and unique. As soon as they start showing too much of them. Yeah. I mean, they took them out of the shadows.

Remember when they did a remake? Who did the remake? Who was in the remake? You mean the one from a couple years ago? Yeah, it was really recent, right? It was a different guy. Yeah, it was like four years ago. Different guy.

Didn't work, right? No, not at all. What was it, CGI, or was it real? He was in makeup. They did a little CGI, I think, around his nose or his cheek. And, you know, he just didn't have that quality that the first one had. Yeah. It's also the problem with redoing a story over and over and over again.

It's like King Kong is a perfect example. You know that dumb fucking monkey is going to climb that building and they're going to shoot him down. He's going to fall and that's how it's going to end. It's not going to climb that building and they're going to shoot him down he's going to fall and that's how it's going to end it's not going to end any other way and and i think the other thing in a lot of these remakes like the nightmare on elm street and friday 13th and all of them all the all the actors all these the teenage kids they're a little too clean and pristine and pretty you know they don't have kind of the everyday look that the older ones tended to have like that i spit on your grave look.

Yeah, where you just, again, believe it as a little bit more real. Yeah. They have that synthetic look to it that they do now. Yeah, they look like real people instead of a bunch of models who went camping. Uh-huh. You know? Some of these horror movies, like, why are these perfectly facially structured people all hanging out together?

I don't know if you've seen the movie The Descent. Yes. It's a decent movie, but it's these six girls going in a cave, and I just can't, from that point right there, I don't get it. That's where I'm willing to suspend disbelief, when hot girls go climbing in the middle of a mountain. Because every man has a fantasy of meeting some crazy mountain climber, crazy bitch, wants to go deep in the mountain.

Well, there was six or seven of them. Yeah, they're all hot. They're all hot, and they're going deep in the mountain. Weren't they banging each other's husbands and stuff, too? Yeah. There's a lot of drama going on in the mountain. Yeah, they're all hot. They're all hot, and they're going deep in the mountain. Weren't they banging each other's husbands and stuff, too? There's a lot of drama going on behind the scenes. That was the plot twist. And then they go inside these holes in the ground where these things live that have been eating people

for thousands of years. Everybody disappears, gets eaten down there. What a wild movie. It was a fun movie, though. I liked it so much, I watched the second one. Did you see the... I assume you liked the Evil Dead, the original Evil Dead movies.

Oh, yeah, it was great. And then did you see the remake? Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah. They got me. Fucks. What was wrong with it? Well, it was a fucking...

I don't want to give anything away. It wasn't... I shouldn't say it was terrible. It wasn't bad. It was fun. But it wasn't as good as the original. If you just wanted to watch. If they really wanted to have an Evil Dead night in the movies,

they should re-release the original and have people go out and see it in a movie theater, which is going to be a more exciting experience anyway. But not high def, right? Yeah, not high def. But the problem is, it's like you know the story. Everyone knows the story. So you're going to throw a few variables at me. At the end, someone doesn't have a hand

and they have a fucking chainsaw you know it's the same goddamn movie you're gonna play me the same movie over and over again at a certain point in time they need to let

King Kong live the motherfucker gets away jumps in the water he can hold his breath for an hour and swims out into the middle of the ocean pops his head up

keeps swimming goes to Japan yeah goes to Japan fucks shit up fights Godzilla figures out how to cool that nuclear radiation down that would have been great

I mean for the remake of King Kong yeah if he took out all the airplanes if he took out all the airplanes and lived you know just hid from the airplanes

got down you know how quick a chimp can get down from a tree it's fucking terrifying they move really fast obviously a gorilla doesn't really climb trees

because they're fucking huge that's one thing that's stupid about this movie. Because real gorillas, they like plot around the ground. They're enormous. They're 800 pounds. What are they doing? What kind of tree is going to hold up an 800-pound gorilla? And I guess they could do it if they wanted to.

But it's not like they're compelled to go climb buildings like an asshole. What if King Kong just decided not to climb buildings and just figured out a way To get to the fucking Upstate New York woods And went hiding No the Redwoods That's where it would be King Kong on the west coast

Hiding in the Redwood forest He's too big right Too big Yeah Stupid movie Doesn't work today His head will be still It doesn't work

Plus we have jets Missiles and shit Like we have Throw a drone at him Like we wouldn't even Have to be there Like you know You don even have to be there. You don't have to fucking have biplanes try to shoot them off the Empire State Building.

No, there'd be a whole group of people trying to save them. Of course. That's the funny thing at the end of King Kong. Everyone's always sad because he loved that girl. Right, as they're blasting it with bullets. Not only that, in the second one especially, he kills a lot of people. I don't mean the second one. It's in the second one especially, he kills a lot of people. I don't mean the second one.

It's probably the fifth one, right? This is Dino De Laurentiis' version of King Kong. The original King Kong, 1930-something, right? 1933. And then the Dino De Laurentiis version, which was, I believe, in the… 76. Yeah. And then there was a 1980s version with Rick Baker.

No, Rick Baker did the 76 one with Dino De Laurentiis. Oh, he did? Okay. He played King Kong in that. Oh, did he really? Yes. And then... Who did the 80 something one? And then they did an 86 one

with Linda Hamilton, believe it or not, was in that. Oh my God. I like that one. Who saw that one? You saw that one? Yeah, I saw that one

in the theater. No kidding. I probably saw it in the theater too. I was too stupid. I don't remember it anymore. That and the old Godzilla that came out in the theater too I was too stupid that in the old Godzilla that came out in the 80s or Godzilla 1985 oh yeah I was on a tonight show with Matthew Broderick and they were showing Fear Factor clips and

he's trying to turn away and I go hey come on dude I watched Godzilla you can watch this so rude Steven Pressfield wrote that King Kong lives 1986 yeah that's a different one though is that the one with what's her face Linda Hamilton with Linda Hamilton

King Kong Lives yes oh that's hilarious that's Pressfield that's hilarious I think there's a male and a female that's hilarious

I don't think I saw this one actually now that I think about it I definitely saw the Rick Baker one and I definitely saw the one that came after this

which was much more recent which was a CGI one with I definitely saw the one that came after this which was much more recent which was a CGI one with Jack Black. 2005. Yeah. Was there one in between them? I don't think so.

That was it. They did Mighty Joe Young. Okay. So from this one to the Rick Baker one or from this one to the recent CGI one. I don't believe

there was a King Kong. So there's been like four? to the see if you you'll find Rick Baker's King well you got uh they did like I think didn't they do King Kong versus Godzilla yeah but that was like that was dark look how hilarious by the way this uh poster is it's like hey King Kong and a guy's like holding onto his leg while he's running around oh and there, and there's a two behind it too. Yeah, this is King Kong 2. Like this must have been like a – Oh, my God.

Look at that. That's a little baby. It's a baby King Kong. He's throwing planes and shit. All right. What do you want me to look at? Rick Baker's King Kong. 76.

Yeah, someone needs to – you couldn't do it today. But if you did it like they did with the recent one with Jack Black where you made it a period piece, perhaps it would work because the thing could get away. There was still mystery back then without Google Earth and these assholes with satellites. And that's, I think, what makes these horror movies of the older time a little more scary is that you didn't have a cell phone with you at all times. Pull up a video so you can find a video of Rick Baker's King Kong. That's the poster. I used to have that poster on my wall when I was a kid. He was so big he was standing on both of the World Trade Center buildings,

one foot on each one. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in my life. And the other thing about King Kong versus Godzilla that always pissed me off is because King Kong is 50 feet tall. Godzilla is 500 feet tall. So what the fuck? All of a sudden he goes to Japan and he's bigger too? Come on, it's the same King Kong we're talking about here.

Why'd they make King Kong bigger and nobody even batted an eye? And then they did the worst versions of King Kong ever. Yeah. Do they have the actual King Kong itself? Let's see if you can find it. That's the actual full video. No. It's not?

Is it a trailer? Most of this was Rick Baker in a suit. And then there's a handful of shots where they made a really stiff mannequin, like 60, 70, 80 foot tall King Kong. And they cut to it real quick. It's so fast. Does it look really stupid?quin, like 60, 70, 80 foot tall King Kong, and they cut to it real quick. It's so bad. Does it look really stupid? Oh, wow.

That's actually pretty good. It's not bad for 70 feet. Holy shit. Yeah, that's a guy. That's him in the suit. That's actually better than CGI. Well, it's lit. Oh, that's fake as fuck.

I remember this. Yeah, this was a good one. Yeah, they didn't show you the... Yeah, that's not bad. That actually looks fake. Oh, he needed that chick. Give me that bitch. Well, it's a little tiny white girl.

Very important to him. That's what he's here for. That's what he's here for. You know what's really amazing? Jessica Lange is now on that TV show where she plays an old lady. She's on that American Horror Story. Which has a lot of practical special makeup effects. Does it?

Do you like that show? She plays a crazy lady. I haven't seen... I like her, man. I think she's amazing. I tried to watch it. She's always been amazing. But it's, you know, like, now that she's older,

like, you get to see how good an actress she is. Because I think when she was young, she was so stunning that it was hard to concentrate on anything other than her face.

She was so fucking pretty. So beautiful. You know, her face structure is just stunning. So now that she's a more mature lady, you kind of concentrate on how creepy she is as an actress. I always remember her in Tootsie. I never saw Tootsie. I'm a real man.

What? You've never seen Tootsie? No fucking way. Any movie where you dress up like a chick, I'm out. I'm done, dude. I see what you're doing. You're tricking me. There's makeup in that movie. You just support everything with makeup in it is that like check it out that's that's

funny that's a tough job but do you like movies like the nutty professor where they do makeup and it doesn't have anything to do with monsters i absolutely i appreciate i think that was that's a good movie too as well so how dare you the the nutty professor are you I think that's a good movie, too, as well. How dare you? The Nutty Professor? How dare you? I think it's pretty funny. Okay. No, it's a good movie. I appreciate them.

It's a fun movie. That's the problem is you start looking at these movies and having this as a profession, all you're doing is really watching for all the seams. Yeah, that's why I was saying that's how comics are. It takes a really good comic to make a comic laugh. Sure. All the seams. Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's how comics are. It takes a really good comic to make a comic laugh. Sure.

Someone who's mediocre. I remember when I first started doing comedy, I thought these people were really funny that I was working with later. When I first saw them, they were ahead of me, so they were professionals already. I went to see a show and they were at the show. Then I remember years later, i used them as an example of like what's terrible of you know like what kind of comedy is terrible and like hack and like i didn't know at the time when i first got into it i thought they were hilarious i thought they were like really good

and then i realized oh they're fucking gross and awful so for if you watch a comedian with another comedian if they're not good it's sort of the same thing. It takes the fun away. Yeah, so you're seeing seams and rubber and you're seeing fake contact lenses. Is that the, which one is that? Oh, that's so fake. Oh my God.

They colored the old one. Which King Kong is this, man? I think the original color. No, why would they do that? How dare they? That's another thing you're not supposed to do, man. You're not supposed to color old movies. That shit's creepy.

The fact that they're in black and white is part of the interesting thing of watching those movies. You're essentially transported to a time where this was the entertainment. That's part of the nostalgia of watching a movie like this, is watching it in the form that it originally came in. Why not just add good special effects? Why not just take out this stupid fake-looking rubber monkey and put in an amazing new state-of-the-art 2013 King Kong? Because it's a fucking old movie, dummy.

Don't color it. People are gross. Coloring King Kong. It is weird when you see Shirley Temple videos. Well, yeah. That's like what 3D glasses are today. And people act like they're all new. And it's like, there were 3D movies in the 80s.

Yeah, well, this is my point about this. It doesn't make it better. Okay? What, all of a sudden I believe it's a real monkey now? Shut up. Oh, well, I see different colors. It's a more enriching experience sudden I believe it's a real monkey now shut up, you know, oh well I see different colors It's a more enriching experience. No, it's not it still looks fake as fuck But I can appreciate that it's fake as fuck if I can pretend I'm in 1930 watching it

It's so funny to like it looks like bad show on Cartoon Network. Yes. Well, they could do a better job now 33 yeah years ago. This is 80 years ago. That is kind of amazing, isn't it? How old were films back then? In 33. Like, how long had we had movies? Oh, 30 years. Wow.

I mean, monsters, though. I mean, we had Nosferatu as one of the very first. Look how bad that is. Meanwhile, Nosferatu is one of the very first. Look how bad that is. My heart. Meanwhile, Nosferatu was fucking great. That was a good example of how to hide shit and keep things creepy. Pull up the original Nosferatu. It was a silent movie. And I went to see it at a library back when I lived in San Francisco. And I was fucking at my most fanatical about horror movies.

I went to see Nosferatu. They played it at a public library. I remember I couldn't believe my luck. Like they had a movie night at the library and they were going to play Nosferatu

because this is kind of thought of as an art film because it's so old and so interesting. It's I think the first of the kind of famous monsters. Yeah.

The first version of Dracula or Vampire. And what's cool about watching this movie is obviously that no one done any fucking voiceover on it. So you're watching it as if you're in a time capsule. You're going back to, what year was it made? 22. 22. Oh, my God. Roaring 20s.

People were drinking gin and fucking out of control. So look how far they went from 22 to King Kong in 33. Yeah. Yeah, they went pretty far. But you know where they didn't go far is with him. He's creepy as fuck, man. See if they... You can see the vampire.

Like, here he is. Why does it have those sounds? Is that you doing that? Don't do that. Come on, man. You're disrespecting the art form. Oh, look. He's got a cut on his thumb.

Hey, let me suck your thumb. That's all normal. But look how creepy he looks. That's great. I mean, his face is phenomenal. And he made his fingers extra long, too, right? Or did he just have giant hands? I'm pretty sure he had a little help. Little tips on his fingers or something like that?

Because they're just creepy extra long enough. And it's slow and it's moody and he's not having to do all this stuff with his mouth stretching extra wide. Yeah, and his ears are creepy and his head's creepy. Look at that. I mean, that's a good goddamn vampire. Great face. mean that's a good god damn vampire great face and I mean and that's like all the classics Frankenstein

and Mummy with Boris Karloff I mean they all had really good performers wearing these makeups and isn't it interesting that at the time

look at how this thing stands out that was fucking state of the art shit and that's been ripped off a thousand times yeah there's his fingers. His fingers are even longer in this scene.

They made them longer. You know what else I find interesting about this movie? Everybody steals where the vampire's teeth are. Everybody gives him big canines. He made it more like rat teeth. Yeah, I think the rat look was the influence for this. Yeah, I mean, he looks like a rat. He has these two long front teeth.

It's really kind of weird when you think about it. Like, you get either the 30 Days of Night style, where they have, like, this wild, like, Sharky. Sharky teeth, yeah. You get that sometimes. That's the... Where they just tear apart. And then you had the Lost Boys, where they were not, they're canines, but just in a little

bit, and then you got every version's been done. Yeah, and it's always like these really clean puncture marks on the neck or rips everything apart and just tears your fucking head off practically. Sure. Like the 30 Days of Night ones. They're super violent. They tear everything apart. The Twilight ones, they're kind of like barely fucked. They don't really count, I think.

Barely. They don't count at all. They don't count at all, huh? They don't. Is that offensive to special effects people? Movies like Twilight? I think they should be offensive to people in general as far as vampires go. Well, here, I'm going to defend Twilight.

I can't believe I'm going to. You have daughters that probably like it. No, they love it. My fucking wife loves it. Here's the thing, man. Chicks like that shit. And I like stupid shit. Yeah. And I like stupid shit.

And I'm not telling anybody what they should and shouldn't like. Because I like watching the Hulk. I watch the new Wolverine movie. I enjoy it. I know it's stupid. I enjoy it. I like dumb shit. So I can't tell you that you shouldn't like dumb shit.

But I find it fascinating. I find it fascinating from a psychological standpoint. And I think we as men should observe it. We should really pay attention to what's going on. Because it's very different than anything that they would ever experience in reality. And yet they're clinging to this shit like it's a goddamn life raft in the middle of the ocean. Like, what is this? Why do you want a vampire that just sparkles and doesn't bite you?

Why do you want a werewolf that growls at you but doesn't eat anybody? Talk about getting really big. I mean, they're really – Yeah. They don't make – They could have just made – I mean, it could have been acceptable if they made a couple logical decisions there. Yeah. Well, you know, meanwhile, I say I like the Hulk.

And how the fuck has he become that big? Where's that mask coming from? I mean... That's stupid, too. If they had made a couple of changes, they could have even sold more tickets to a few more guys, quite possibly. But they would have ruined it for the girls. I guess. Girls want bullshit.

Straight up, on a silver tray. They want it terrible. They want a cute boy with fucking perfect cheekbones that just happens to be 185 years old and likes a 17 year old that fucking creepy perv weirdo change of topic have you seen Paranorman no I have not what is that scene it's a it's came out a couple maybe last year only it's a stop-motion animation movie with zombies in it and your daughters might like Your daughters might like it, but I have boys and they love it. It's got old school technology like King Kong

where it's stop motion and then they clean it up with CG. Kind of like The Nightmare Before Christmas. Do you know what I liked? I just remembered. Did you see VHS? No. VHS is a terrible movie, but the first scene is fucking great.

There's like two movies or three movies in that movie. The movie, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, shut it off if you're about to rent this. Is that Creepshow? Something like that. Very similar. But the method that they used was they go over to this guy's house and he's dead. And he's got stacks of VHS tapes and all these differents and they they just start putting them in and exploring and watching and then it plays out as if you're seeing it from the tape the first one the first story of the first one when it's over shut the thing off shut it off because everything else sucks but the first one's

fucking great it's a guy who picks up this girl They get drunk and they pick up this girl at a bar. And I don't want to tell you any more. I don't want to give you any more spoiler alerts. But it's fucking great. It's really fun. And it makes me mad that they just didn't do that and then just shut it off. Like, you should have made a half hour movie. You know?

Just, if that's all you had. That's probably what got the movie. And they go, got it we got to get another hour if i saw that if they brought that to me and said hey we need funding i'm like dude we're gonna get you funding this fucking movie's great if that's all they showed you but then from there on it just gets it's not even that bad it's just bad in comparison how good the first scene is is it all it's shot like handheld camera yes everything is reality style handheld camera the first one conveniently the guy has glasses on that record

video i don't want to tell you anymore but it's great it's really fun what's your thoughts on the original texas chainsaw massacre love it yeah love it scary as fuck believable everybody's dirty they're a bunch of dirty weird weird hippies. They stink. They smell right through the video. You can smell it. It's so real. And I think they said it did smell in reality. I'm sure it did. Everything about it stunk.

It looked real. The way that guy moved, he moved like a real creeper. There was no fakeness to anything, no CGI. And again, I think that's what's lacking in these movies these days is they're so polished and there isn't a real. Doing special makeup effects and practical effects is getting, you got to get dirty. Yeah. And you got to work really long days and you're going to make people uncomfortable. There's a ton of stories on, you know, actors getting glue in every which area.

And then you got to shoot for a 24-hour day and then take it all off. And there's just nothing fun about it. But... 24-hour day? So what do they do? Oh, yeah. Like, I heard a story. Gary Oldman actually told it on the movie Dracula,

where he was in the bat costume. It's only a couple shots in the movie. It's near the end when he transforms into the bat guy. And at the last minute, they made a whole foam latex rubber suit that this guy was in glued him in made him up and he you know it was i don't know four or five six seven eight hour process just to get him in it and looking right so they knowing how much time's in they go let's just shoot it out so i think they shot a whole day and then it came time to take him out you know here's a guy in a brand new stinking suit that's been sweating for,

you know, 24 hours. They, they took them out of the suit and I guess when they opened up the back, he had developed sores within that 24 hour period. I had to go take him to a doc, a skin doctor and get all this stuff for him to get taken care of. And you know,

meanwhile, that suit was bad ass and it looked phenomenal. You know, everything he did when he played the bat, when he became a wolf, taking care of and you know meanwhile that suit was badass and it looked phenomenal yeah you know everything he did when he played the bat when he became a wolf all that yeah how many different things did he become became an old guy he became rats yeah that same scene he's the the vampire baddie walks into a shadow and then they they light it out so the suit's gone and then he becomes a whole stack of rats like he also became rats and they fall and then they light it out so the suit's gone and then he becomes a whole stack of rats like Yacht Syndicate rats and they fall and then they run.

Oh, that's right. Mist. He's the old Dracula, young Dracula. Pull up Gary Oldman Dracula. See if they have old Dracula in the video. He was great.

And then, you know, the werewolf. I think he was a wolf, just a regular wolf too even. Yeah, he was a wolf. He was definitely a werewolf at one point in time, right? That a regular wolf, too, even. Yeah, he was a wolf. He was definitely a werewolf at one point in time, right? That was a sexy Dracula, too, man.

Like, there's other Draculas where I didn't buy that they were actually going after it. But when you get a guy who's such a good actor as Gary Oldman, you really believe he loves that chick. Like, he loves her. Like, everything from the beginning. And she's falling for everything he's doing. Yeah. You believe that? You believe it. And she's falling for everything he's doing. Yeah. You believe that? You believe it.

And she's hot as fuck, you know, and, like, just everything about it. When he was an old man, it was magical. Like, they did a fantastic job. And they did it so atypically. Like, look at his hair and everything. Yeah, Greg Cannon won the Academy Award for this movie for makeup. Oh, he deserved it. And I think it won for costume design and something else.

Like, how unusual is the hair? Like what a weird choice. Right. Like I don't even understand the origins of that. I think there's some Japanese roots to that, the looks. Really? The costume designer, I think she was Japanese. Like look at his hair.

Like what is that? That's so strange. It's like he's never cut it for a thousand years. He's got titty hair. You know what it is? It's like the rush. He's the one thing that I think is a distraction in this piano yeah it sucks but you kind of you kind of kind of suspend disbelief and say maybe a dumb guy just got kidnapped by dracula yeah they needed they needed the right guy to do that you need a guy where you believe it.

Is Granada Hills close to us? I don't know. There's this huge bear that's been just running around attacking people. That's been going on since this morning. There's a bear in Granada Hills? It's only a black bear, though. They just showed it running. It's funny because there's all these, like, cameramen just, like, hanging out there with cameras. And they're like, the bears.

Well, we learned when Alex Connell was here the difference between Yellowstone and Yosemite, which I always confused. Yosemite being California and Yellowstone being, like, Montana and out there. Yellowstone has grizzlies, but Yosemite just has black bears. Because remember he was talking about, and I was like, dude, bears will kill people in Yosemite, but it's actually Yellowstone. I get them confused. So the bears that we have are not scary. The bears that we have are black bears. They'll still

fuck you up, especially if you stumble upon one with a baby, and it feels like you're threatening, but they don't really hunt people. Is these the ones that we have in Pasadena? Yes. Yeah, they go in Pasadena, the people with pools. go in Pasadena and people have pools. Which can segue us to a really crappy movie called Grizzly that came out right after Jaws. Oh, no.

It was so bad. Okay, what did you think about The Relic? Did you see that movie? I did. And Stan Winston did the special effects on that. And that was almost a movie that was too dark. If you really watched that movie, they shot it really dark,

and you didn't see really anything. But when you did, it was a CGI monster at the end. Oh, was it? Yeah. The end sucked, right? But there was parts in the middle that was kind of fun. It had a good first half, and then it kind of went away. Yeah, I remember I forgave it.

It was fun enough. I need a monster movie every couple of years, man, and I don't get one. And there hasn't been one in a long time. Somebody tried to tell me that Pacific Rim was good, and they were wrong. Yeah. And they were mean,

because they made me watch that fucking movie. And three quarters of the way through, I was calling them up, dude, fuck you. Can't believe you made me waste an hour watching this movie. Is that the robot movie? Yeah, Robots vs. Monsters.

Which is fine, but there's some scenes involving people where you go, what are you doing to me? Why are you making me watch this? You know what I'm here for, bitch. The person who enjoyed this, they tried to make a movie that appeals to dumb guys and dumb girls. That's what they tried to do. They tried to make it like,

we'll throw a little dumb girl shit in here now. Here's some love in the middle of your fucking crazy movie about robots and aliens. Assholes. Assholes.

That was made by Guillermo del Toro. I know, that's what's so confusing. Because he did Pan's Labyrinth, which I think is brilliant. Pan's Labyrinth,

which is a great makeup effects movie as well. Fantastic. Pull that up did Pan's Labyrinth, which I think is brilliant. Pan's Labyrinth, which is a great makeup effects movie as well. Fantastic. Pull that up. Pan's Labyrinth, the dude, what is it called? The guy with the eyes on his hands? Yeah. Whatever it was. I loved that thing.

Really great concepts. That's probably the last movie to have really good creature stuff and effective and working right. And there was something about that movie, especially because it was a period piece, that you're willing to believe it more. Absolutely. That was a brilliant movie. If you haven't seen Pan's, is it Labranth or Labranth? Labranth.

Labranth. Why do I say Labranth? I know why, because I'm thinking of Labia. This is a great movie, man. And it holds up, man. Oh, it certainly does. And there's some CGI in this movie, too. Sure.

But it's unoffensive because it's, again, things that aren't real, like fairies. Weird little alien fairy thing like that. Fantasy-based. But then, like, that guy, that guy's a real thing. He was a real special effects, or was he? Yeah, that's a full rubber suit. Yeah. And then that's his mouth.

And then I think his eyes were suit. That's his mouth. And then I think his eyes were mechanical. He was so creepy. And you know what else is good about this movie? The fact that it's in subtitles. And I know what you're saying, Joe. What the fuck are you saying? But there's something about it being in subtitles that it makes it even easier to believe.

Because you don't know if they're badly acting. Exactly. Because you don't know what they're saying. So you're reading it. So in a way, it's sort of like the ultimate comic book style, creepy, eerie type movie. Because you put your own interpretation of the words by reading it. Yeah. Yeah. There's a French movie called Hot Tension.

But they did a, I don't know if it's a remake. I know it's the same French director called Hot Tension But they did a I don't know if it's a remake I know it's the same French director Called High Tension I don't know if you've seen that It's a slasher movie No And it's in French And it's really effective

I would put that on your list Of things to see High Tension High Tension You know someone has actually Recommended that before And I never took them up on it I gotta check that out

But that was That one If you haven't seen If you've never seen A movie with subtitles That you liked I've recommended that before, and I never took them up on it. I've got to check that out. But that was that one. If you've never seen a movie with subtitles that you liked, give that one a try. I guarantee you that one's pretty dope. That's one of my favorite creepy movies pretty much ever. There's so many good elements to it, too. What is this one here? High Tension.

This is High Tension? Marie, this is my pop, Pop Marie. Oh, see, you gotta... I think it's dubbed. There's a French version that... God damn it. These motherfuckers and their dubbing. That's one extra thing to think about.

Why is their lips moving and different words are coming out? You know? It's like the girl with the dragon tattoo. Did you see that? Yeah, you got to see that in its original language. It's brilliant. Sure Yeah, this director this movie was such a success. He did the hills have eyes remake Plus you feel smarter when you go to see a good movie with subtitles you feel like you're doing something extra What was that movie doing work Lefim Nikita yes they remade with yes yeah that you guys favorite the original

the original point of no return yeah they basically renamed it to the girl with the dragon tattoo it's the same chick yeah so badass chick who's crazy you know happens to be an assassin it's the the same girl. It's the same fucking girl. Which is the same director. Have you seen The Professional? Is it the same director? It's The Professional. Oh, so he just makes badass chicks that fucking people up. Yeah, absolutely. And then he did The Fifth Element, which had the badass...

What's his name again? What was that dude's name? Luc Besson. Luc Besson, that's right. Yeah. And wasn't he the actor in it too? He was the actor in the Bridget Fonda version of it? Ooh, I don't think so. Bridget? Who was the guy that was in the Bridget Fonda version of it? Ooh, I don't think so. Bridget? Who was the guy that was in the

Bridget Fonda version of it? Am I confusing my French guys? Gabriel Byrne, I believe, was in it. No, there was another guy though.

Oh, the love interest? No, the assassin who trains the little girl, the professional. Am I thinking of the professional?

The professional. Professional, yeah, and that's Jean Reno. Oh, different guy. Jean Reno, who was in Godzilla. See, to me, I'm like, the way I look at French people

is the way racist people look at black people. They're all the same. They're all the same. Jean-Claude Van Damme was in that movie. No, it was Luc Besson. Oh. Wasn't it George St. Pierre? No, it was Luc Besson.

Besson. Luc Besson. Luc Besson. I just watched. Le Besson. Luc Besson. I just watched, we were talking about it yesterday, Midnight in Paris, the Woody Allen movie. Okay. Which is a really good fucking movie. But it takes place all in France,

and it's sort of a time travel movie. I don't want to say any more about what it is other than that. But when you have to recreate a period, like when you see a period piece movie, you've got to get everything right. I've watched episodes of Boardwalk Empire, and you look at the detail involved in that. They even got the pool cues right.

They got the right kind of pool cues for that era. That's amazing. There's very specific type of pool cues that people had, like in the, you know, the Roaring Twenties or whenever it was, and that was supposed to take place. And they actually got that right, too. They got everything right. That's a lot of goddamn work.

Here's Lil' Finn Nikita. Remember this scene? Yeah, she was so hot. Plus, you couldn't tell if she was annoying because you had to read her words. You know? She ended up, I think it was right after this, she was in John Landis' vampire movie, Innocent Blood. Oh, yeah. Which was not the greatest.

Yeah, what happened? How does John Landis go from the most awesome movie of monsters ever to that stupid vampire movie? He's better with werewolves than vampires. Or maybe somebody cock-blocked it behind the scenes. You know how the business is, right? What about what about

ghosts? Ghost movies? I hate ghost movies. Almost all of them. I watched The Conjuring the other day. I was halfway through it. I shut it off. What about The Shining? everybody told me it was really good I was like pitch why are you going in the basement what about the shiny on the big shining was great I loved it I even though I liked the book better I hate saying that but I really did I really enjoyed that book I just discovered a movie and I the reason I saw is because Dick Smith who's a makeup

man he had worked on this in the 70s called the Sentinel and it's in New York and it's got Burgess Meredith in it. And it's a creepy ghost movie. And it had some old school special makeup effect stuff in it, but really effective. Well, I shouldn't say I don't like ghost movies. I just have, I don't, there's no

memorable one that really stands out. How about The Fog? It was okay. The Mist? Isn't that the new Stephen King one one that was not bad yeah that's that's creatures in the yeah what about um how about the ring did the ring work for you i didn't watch it really yeah i watched the american version of it yeah what was the american version called the ring was it called the same thing yeah but there was a the japanese version well ring ring goo okay yeah blair witch freaked me out pretty well was the Japanese version. Well, Ringu. Okay, yeah.

Blair Witch freaked me out pretty well. The American version was okay. It was actually okay. You know what I actually enjoyed but they showed too much of it was Mama. Yeah.

That was another, isn't that Grandma Dothoro as well? He produced it. I really liked that in parts. Until the end and they kind of

showed too much. They tried to wrap it all up in a pretty bow they tried to do that they got rid of the cunty baby spoiler alert they did they did a lot of stupid shit didn't make any sense to me i think that's that's the other thing i think with modern movies is in with remakes even is they try to tell you so much and force feed every single detail on you when I think as a viewer you don't need that. You just need to be thrown in the situation and react.

Yeah, I completely agree. It's sort of weird that that seems to be something that needs to be said though. It seems pretty obvious. All the back story and the history, the history of the history in the end, it's all fixed. Well, I think ultimately it's really difficult to get a singular vision and have that idea that you have and then get it made. Like you could do it if you're like one of those John Carpenter motherfuckers or, you know, back in the day especially. Or if you're James Cameron, you could pull that off.

People listen to you. Like you've already made a million giant hits. They'll listen to you. But if you're like a regular person, I think it's super difficult if there's any money involved at all because then a bunch of people come in and then they start giving you rewrites and they start telling you what they want they start adding shit they want to make it bigger bigger bigger bigger like that argument exists everything in sitcoms and making movies there's too many cooks in the kitchen man too many cooks in the kitchen it just becomes shit many cooks in the kitchen. It just becomes shit.

And that happens so often that that's why there's this glut of shit movies. It's not because people make shit movies. It's because they have to make shit movies. Because everybody wants to add their fucking, I don't want to throw paprika in the stew. And before you know it, this is, yeah, this is the stupid one.

But it's hilarious. It's a thing. Yeah. John Carpenter's version. It's great. For the time, this shit was amazing. I love the scene when they were all lighting up the blood. Yeah.

And that little jump. Stick the thing in the blood. Yeah. Oh, it was great. And that was like a perfect film setup where they kept showing him putting the hot wire on the blood

and then the shot right before it's a fake hand holding the little Petri dish with the blood in it and they show you a fake hand and you're not aware of that and he does the blood and it doesn't work

and then they cut right back to the same thing and then the mechanical device was in the the blood and it doesn't work and then they cut right back to the same thing and then the mechanical device was in the fake hand and it shot out. Wow. So you know maybe the reality of having to physically pull it off set up the shots and sold it better. See there's

a thing about the ability to create movies now and special effects that you could do now which you could really do amazing stuff with a home computer now. Some people have made some and special effects that you could do now which you really do amazing stuff with like a home computer now like some people have made some really crazy videos that you could check out online and they've done it with like you know regular computers you can buy in a store but the really the stuff that's like really fun and exciting is not that the stuff that's really fun and exciting is like, like the movies like alien, like these really complicated shot movies where everything is timed,

right. And there's just suspense buildup. Like, and I think people have sort of lost that, lost the script somewhere along the line. You know, they've, they've lost the,

what makes a movie good. It's not seeing a bunch of shit. It's like, it has to have a story yeah it has to get you and it seems like yeah another thing that's so popular now is you go to a movie and in the first 10 minutes you're basically seeing everything you know you're going to see at the very end and they just don't build up to an ending you know or even worse they show you everything in the trailer well i guess well for sure's brutal. That drives me crazy.

When I see everything in the trailer, I just want to jump out a window. It's like, why are you showing me the end of the movie, you fucking dummies? You're showing me every funny thing that happens. You're showing me that that guy dies. Okay, now I know. I'm going to watch the movie and that guy dies. Because you showed me him dying, you dummies. Imagine if you made a movie and you watched those assholes hack it up,

just try to sell tickets, make that stupid trailer. You've got to tell people, avoid the trailer for my movie. I know it's supposed to get you to go see it, but avoid it, please. Thanks. Yeah. I don't think that's going to happen. No, no one ever says that, right? Eventually they will with social media.

When someone like John Carpenter has 100 million Twitter followers, and he says, fuck commercials. Just send out tweets. Here's my new movie. There's no trailers. We don't need to see a trailer. Trust me. Hopefully. Yeah. That's gonna happen, eventually. Maybe not. Fuck my... When I know something about movie business? Been in two

Kevin James movies. I'm an expert. No goddamn thing about the movie business. Do you ever try to put together a film on your own? Do you have ideas? Have you ever made a film on your own? Well, I have one that I've been working on for a while, actually. Is that the secret thing that you showed me? Yeah.

You can't talk about that, right? Well, I can talk about the subject matter. And we've actually talked about it a lot. Yeah, it's a Bigfoot movie. Dun, dun, dun. Absolutely. But you can't show that. You don't want to show that clip.

No. No, not yet. Don't do it. No. Because I want to keep it. Exactly. You know. Yeah.

Suspenseful. Something to see, yeah. Yeah. But, you know, Duncan, Russell, and I were actually talking about this before we found out that Bobcat had made that movie. They were saying that someone needs to make, like make a good, modern, scary Bigfoot movie. It hasn't been done. You would think, boy, of all the mythical things, why aren't they making that? Bobcat's take on it is fantastic.

The only Bigfoot movie that I think of that has any value is the Harry and the Hendersons, and it's in a total other category than what I think needs to be done. Yeah. Oh, that's real. What is that? That's the sneak peek of his new movie. You know what that is? That's Whitesnake meets Bigfoot.

Here I go again on my own. Oh, boy. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's pretty real. And I think that's the thing is it's it's really easy to take bigfoot and make it a comedy yeah it's a real it's so you got to walk that fine line of making it as real and and scary as possible but not showing too much and you have a guy in a suit running around like a comedy yeah do you try to make it look like, like say if you're making a movie about an alien,

you know, and they say there's aliens, like little gray aliens. Do you try to make it based on what the common vision of what those things look like? Because it seems to be like an archetype. Well, it would depend on the direction, you know. Are they going to, you know, as a producer or director, are they going to say, hey, we want it to look like right the typical gray alien right or hey go crazy show us what you got and unfortunately

that's really not what's happening nowadays with special with the special makeup field producers and directors they're coming to us with the artwork already done right so now we're just technicians kind of creating you know okay, needs to do this and that shot. Okay, we'll make a head that blinks and that's about it. And we're kind of losing the design element because everyone's, you know, a creature, monster designer or filmmaker. Do you, so you would prefer if someone, as they, you know, they put together a script,

they came to you and said, okay, how should we shoot this? Sure. Yeah, the dream job is, hey, we're going to do an alien. And we want you to give us the coolest alien you can do. And help us figure out how to film what you can do. The basis of my question was if you were going to do a Bigfoot, would you base it on the popular folklore of Bigfoot? Or would you add an element to it? Oh, I definitely would add elements.

You definitely want to cover the standard bases. The bases for sure. And I would, I already, I mean, I have the ideas to, to basically kind of explain without cramming it down someone's throat, you know, footprints in the mud and all that. without cramming it down someone's throat, you know, footprints in the mud and all that. Are you handicapped at all by, like, the Patterson footage because it's so ingrained in people's heads? Probably.

I mean, if you're going to branch too far left and not stick to it, there's obviously going to be those people that are going to go, you know, that's not the real Bigfoot. You know, that's the real Bigfoot. But, you know, you want to, as an artist, you want to put your own twist on it. And, you know, if you're doing everything right, it should take off. What are, like, if you're going to do a movie today, like, say, if you have some monster,

how much is involved? How much of it is special effects and how much of it is makeup? Meaning, how much of it is, like and how much of it is makeup? Meaning how much of it is like this mechanical thing that you control with like remote controls and stuff? Because isn't that a lot of it? Well, it would depend again on the design of an effect and the approach. A classic situation for a mechanical effect versus a makeup effect is you could have a shot. You can think of a lot of 80s or 70s horror movies where we go, we want this guy's fake head on a table, and then he's going to come to life as a zombie and bite you.

And so the expensive approach is, okay, well, we'll make a fake head and do all these thousands of dollars worth of mechanical things in it and make the eyes do this, that, and the other and bite. And they can pick it up and do this stuff or you could cut a hole in the table stick a guy's head through and make up his neck make up his face and now you have an actor as a makeup doing that same type of effect and in the movies in the 80s they were limited with mechanics and time so they would do combinations of the two and that's whereas you know you kind of bridge the two people are confused so they go oh that was a fake it oh that looks like a real head. Oh, that is a real head. Oh, and you're confusing people.

So it's that magician's trick. So the approach is what do you need it to do? Right. So the magician's trick only works if you have a sleight of hand, if it's very quick. Which is editing. So that's what you have in those movies. Yeah. And I think the real effective good ones, like the ones we were talking about,

the editing is as important a special effect as the makeup, the monsters, the music and sound. How did you get involved in doing this? It was really a hobby. I was always drawing, sculpting as a little kid, drawing snakes and monsters and all that kind of scary stuff. And then I saw American World from London at the age of seven. And shortly after that, Thriller came out. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Which was John Landis and Rick Baker. Fucking great, too. And I remember seeing that. It was around Halloween time when it had just come out. And I was at some Halloween thing, and they were playing the video on loop. And I think I watched it six times in a row because they would go to the making of thriller and they have a clip of American werewolf in London. And then they show you how they're making the werewolf and everything.

All my gears started spinning in my head. And I was like, Oh, you know, that's how it's done. And you know, the whole, Oh,

you know, as your, you know, your parents are telling you, you know, monsters aren't real, you know, but it looks darn real to me in the movie and then seeing really the crossover it really clicked brian turn the volume on this is a great scene this is michael jackson

and it's hard to believe but hold on pull it before that pull the transformation scene what are you doing bitch the there's this something i. I mean, Michael Jackson is so sweet and innocent, especially back then. This is before all the awfulness came out. Yes, Michael. I'm not like other guys. Of course not.

That's why I love you. No, I mean I'm different. What are you talking about? I like boys. Brian, that's so obvious. Stop, you just ruined it. He's getting uncomfortable around her right now. Are you all right?

Shut up! Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is great. It's all insert shots, so it has more weight to it. This girl is so unoriginal. She needs to learn how to run. She's standing there.

Why does it have whiskers? I think that's a poor choice. This is the were-cat. Is that what's supposed to be? A cat? They didn't want to... The decision was not to make him a werewolf because Michael Jackson should be more elegant like a cat. So they made him a were-cat.

Oh, see, I thought it was a werewolf. Just a weird-looking one. That's why he's got the whiskers and the cat eyes. Yeah, Michael actually turns into a lot of cats in a lot of different videos. That's totally cool. And then it's all based on I was a teenage werewolf. Yeah, Michael actually turns into a lot of cats in a lot of different videos. That's totally cool. And then it's all based on I was a teenage werewolf. With a jacket?

Yeah. Yeah. Even the streaks in the hair. You know what was really good in this, and in my opinion, maybe even perhaps better than anything, is the zombies. The zombies were excellent.

They became kind of the stereotypical prototype zombie from then on yeah where they made the generic kind of eyebrows sunken in eye socket prosthetic and then every zombie movie since has followed that totally right do you know my favorite zombie movie is though 28 days later sure i feel Sure. I feel like that movie, and also, perfect example, a movie they did on a shoestring budget. They really didn't have much money, so they didn't have, like, crazy special effects. So when they showed you everything,

everything was running and blurry and craziness, and they moved so fast, you know? It was a new thing. And that's a great director, too. That's a great fucking movie. 28 Days Later is an all-time great. How was the makeup in that? It's not highlighted, I guess you could say. So, I mean, there's some effective shots,

nothing really standing out, but you know, it served its purpose. There wasn't, so that's the other thing too with special makeup effects is, you know, I think what a lot of us strive to do is create these characters so you can really, it almost like it's noticeable not as necessarily a makeup effect but you're remembering that effect as a character and something like 28 days later they were just like little effect sequences that serve the purpose they really create it didn't invent anything unique they just served the purpose to get this thing done this is weird watch them get made up. Wow. It's crazy. Is that Rick Baker right there?

Yeah. Putting contacts. And back then those contacts are like hard little plastic shells that you could They felt so bad.

They would just scratch you up. How long could he keep those in for? I think like 20 minutes he said he could go. Oh my God. Look at all the tears. Yeah.

It's like I can quote this whole thing. He says like after 20 minutes and they start aching and paining. That's what he said. That's funny.

It feels like someone put Tabasco hot sauce in my eyes. It makes sense that that's a cat, but I never put that together. I always figured if it's changing,

it's a werewolf. But these zombies were fucking great. So was her outfit. Like, this is like... I mean, everything's so iconic, and it's... Like, you look at the costume design. I mean, you don't really have stuff like that anymore.

It's just so memorable. And he's dancing as a zombie. Like, that's... Somehow or another, this was cool. It seems so stupid. Yeah. Remember MTV had played it, you know, just only once in a while.

And it was like 20 minutes. Yeah, it was like a big deal. I remember that marathon, too. You go run. I don't want to hear, Gap, about the making. It was amazing. Michael Jackson was so nice to me. The other zombie movies, like, it's like you've got two types of zombies.

You've got, like, the World War Z zombies who run at you real quick, 28 Days Later zombies, or you've got the slowpoke Walking Dead zombies. Yes. Which one do you like? Which school are you in? Like Howling, American Werewolf, Slow Zombie, Fast Zombie? Zombies, they rate low on my gauge of things that I'm really into, actually. But I'm really into, actually.

But I'm actually neutral. You know what's funny? I like... This is a serious topic. I like the original Dawn of the Dead, which is slow-moving blue zombies. And then the remake, which I thought was pretty effective. And they're fast. It's the complete opposite. The remake? They were fast? Yeah. I didn't watch the remake. Was it good? It was pretty effective, and they're fast, and it's the complete opposite. The remake, they were fast?

Yeah. I didn't watch the remake. Was it good? It was pretty good, actually. Really? Zack Snyder directed that. I didn't hear anything about it. That was like 2004.

Yeah, that was a big movie. It was a pretty big hit. It just seems like there's those things that, like, there's certain movies that I just feel like, why did you redo that? Like, I feel that way about Carrie. That's one they didn't need to do. Did they fuck it up?

I didn't see it. I won't see that. I was supposed to go see it tonight. Oh. You know, the premise for Carrie and with the girl playing her, she's the wrong look for what Carrie should be. Check this shit out. Somebody put this on my message board. That's pretty badass.

What is that? Yeti? I think it's a, yeah What is that? Yeti? I think it's a, yeah, is that a yeti? Yeti. Do you know they found what they think the yeti is? They found hair that they did a DNA match on an ancient, believed to be extinct bear. It's a cross between a polar bear and a grizzly bear, like some sort of a hybrid bear.

It's a real animal. So it's a bear. So they think that there's just this bear that looks really weird. Because apparently they had two matches. And one of them was from some hare from like the early 1900s. And the other one was from some hare that was recently discovered. And when they both

cross-matched with this ancient believed to be extinct bear. So it's really fascinating. Because they think they might have solved it. They think it might be a weird, rare bear. Because if you think about it, bears vary quite a bit, from pandas to grizzlies to polar. They vary quite a bit.

And apparently this bear is so unusual looking that the guy who shot it in the early 1900s, he saved pieces of it and was trying to tell people, I found some crazy animals undiscovered thing that's where the story of the Yeti came from

it's like some fucking weird looking bear probably a big giant half panda looking motherfucker who just doesn't look like he belongs there and they thought

it was a Yeti that's cool but it's really just a bear yeah that's my take on a Yeti that's awesome when did you do this? I did that a couple years ago But it's really just a bear. Yeah, that's my take on a Yeti. That's awesome. When did you do this?

I did that a couple years ago. That's fucking great, man. If you were doing the Patterson Bigfoot footage, they'd believe the shit out of it. He's got a woman's leg in his left hand. So would you do Bigfoot the same way? Because that's perfect. Don't fuck it up. I mean, he'd be similar, but there's some differences.

I got a design for my Bigfoot and there's a, I don't want to say radical, but there's some streamlined different things. Are you going to make this? Is this going to be available just like a werewolf?

The Yeti? Yeah. Absolutely. I've sold a couple of these, yeah. Oh, so you're making it. He's really big. Oh, dude. Count me in. To his head, he's probably. Oh, so you're making it. He's really big. Oh, dude.

Count me in. To his head, he's probably eight feet, so with the hand even more. Well, guess what? The werewolf just moved to the back of the building. We've got a new sheriff in town. Yeah, he's a big guy. Awesome. Him and the werewolf could battle it out.

So does it fit in here? Yeah. How tall would it be? Like if I put it behind me. Would it go up to the ceiling? His arm would, but I can tilt it forward at a 45 or something. Let's make it happen. Let's make it happen, Pat McGee.

The girl that he brought is so creepy just sitting there staring. Linda Blair. Okay, that's a perfect example of a great movie that had a little bit of special effects in it, like when her head rotates around a circle. Well, that's the number one horror movie of all time of all time you know for most yeah that that had the makeup of dick smith and that's really was one of the very first movies to kind of encompass a lot of makeup and mechanical effects and the villain which was you know reagan her makeup was very, I don't want to say, it was ugly, the painting in her. She was very bruised and it was irregular.

And everything kind of before that was very clean and symmetrical and nice. It was still a monster, but it was kind of nice. This was the one that made it kind of real. You know a movie that never really got right? Frankenstein. Never really got that one right. All of them? Yeah. You don't like the original? I mean, the original one that one right. All of them?

Yeah. You don't like the original? I mean, the original one's kind of fun because of its time, but much in the way that King Kong is fun before its time. But it doesn't really represent her book. Her book is really fascinating. Sure. You know, the book is brilliant.

And there's so many aspects of that book, like the anger that the monster has for this guy making him alive. I think they're working on one right now. Are they really? Yeah. There's a trailer just supposed to release. Oh, beautiful. Look at that.

Synchronicity. What? What is this, Jeremy? This is it? This is Frankenstein? Already a bunch of CG. Yeah, a bunch of weird shit. Why is that guy flying?

Oh, bitch, shut this off right now. Shut this off right now. How dare you? That's the new Frankenstein. There you go. That looks like shit. That looks like shit on stale bread. That's Frankenstein?

This is terrible. Frankenstein knows kung fu. He's flying through the air. This is, oh, my God. See, there you go, swooping. This is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. Maybe video games are a lot to blame, you know? I don't

know they did it with de niro they did a frankenstein with de niro wasn't too bad that was not bad right kenneth brana i think was it good i don't i don't remember once it wasn't memorable yeah i remember thinking like uh like that frankenstein was just gonna go you talking to me you're talking to me over here i got fucking stitches, you talking to me? Yeah. You talking to me over here? I got fucking stitches. You talking to me? Something about I wasn't willing to accept De Niro as Frankenstein. There's some people that just like, they're too iconic to play certain parts, you know? But he was great in Cape Fear.

Oh, he was fantastic in Cape Fear. And that's a good point, but I didn't know that it was a Robert Mitchell movie. I didn't know that it was a remake. So when I first saw it, I just took it on its own merit. But there's a big difference between him doing a character in a movie that's an amazing character and him doing a thing like Frankenstein. You know, like, come on, man, you're not Frankenstein. Not buying it. Like, if he had to play Ted Bundy.

I'm like, bitch, you're not Ted Bundy. I know who Ted Bundy is. You know, even though he's a great actor, if it was based on a real guy, and I don't know if Frankenstein isn't, but it's so iconic, it might as well be a real guy. It's so represented by the dude with the flat head and the bolts on it. That's just what everybody sees. Staples and the bolts in the neck. Yeah, it's really tough to get away from that imagery. Yeah, I was like, why isn't his head flat? Why isn't his head flat and where are the bolts in his neck?

Which isn't in the book at all. Not at all. But they got you. They invented that. The head flat, the bolts in the neck. Is that De Niro? That's De Niro's, yeah. Yeah, but that's the makeup.

What did it look like in the actual movie itself? When you see it, that's like too harsh. Yeah, that's what it looks like. The color version of it. See, go to the full image. Wow. That's not bad. Not bad makeup.

It seems like what it would look like. It's real looking. It's very Stallone-y, actually. What do you think about that new movie with Stallone and Robert De Niro? I can't believe that. That was the movie that they asked me to be the commentator. Oh, really?

Yeah. Joey Diaz is in it. Yeah, Joey's going to steal that movie. Joey, apparently, they showed a preview of the movie, and Joey was there in a live audience. And so when Joey comes on screen, they start screaming, if you ain't high by 2 p.m., go fuck yourself. And it's boo-choos with wings or go fuck your mother.

They start yelling out Joey Diaz quotes in the audience to the point where, like, the people who made the movie was like, who is that guy? Like, the people in the audience. Do you know who Joey Diaz is? Yeah. And when Joey goes on screen, apparently, they just went insane and started cheering. And so the people who made the movie got confused, and then they pulled him in for a meeting. They didn't know what they had when they had them in the movie. They thought they just had this character actor.

They had no idea. It was like an internet legend. Wow. They're so removed from that world, the world of the internet. But if you're a young guy, most likely, in 2013, if you have any friends that are worth a shit, you know who Joey Diaz is. That's what the movie looks like. Dog shit.

They're going to box. They're 80 years old. I know. It's so bad. They're calling it Rocky versus Raging Bull. How dare you? Don't even play this. Go see that for Joey Diaz only.

Yeah. Everything else hurts your brain. But if you're high enough, it might be good. But I mean really high. Like scared to be alive high. I guess I never put the two together that De Niro was in Raging Bull. He was fantastic. So that's the reason why you're supposed to be able to believe that he could box.

Because you have that in the back of your head. Like, oh, no, no. He's a good boxer. You'd believe it. I mean, he did a really great job. Raging Bull, in fact, was one of the best boxing movies ever. Like, his portrayal of a boxer was super realistic. He was just so goddamn good when he was at his best.

Back in the day, the old days of De Niro. Taxi driver. Goddamn, he was good. In everything he did, he was just so amazing. But now he does these, like, Michelle Pfeiffer movies where he plays a wizard. You ever see that? I miss that one. He just does like whenever they come to him with.

He's like, hey, how much you got? Actually, Taxi Driver, that's Dick Smith again. When he's got the mohawk and he's bald, that's all makeup. That's a fake bald cap. It is? Yeah. No one really overlooks that. Why wouldn't he just get a mall?

I think because they were shooting out of sequence or he had something else he was doing and couldn't shave it. That's amazing then. Really incredible job. Yeah. And that's where I can appreciate makeup where, you know, you fooled everybody without making it obvious. You know what hurt my brain? Riddick. I went to see the new Riddick movie.

Holy shit. That's another one where CGI, where you're like, God damn it. Well, one that really kills all the classic monsters was Van Helsing. Oh, God.

It had everything set up on paper to look like a great movie. And then they made it. Those fucks. Look at this wolf. What is that from? I don't know. Those fucks. Look at this wolf. What is that from? I don't know. It was a girl transforming into a wolf.

Brutal. Why is it so hard to make a good monster movie? Why are there not a bunch of... Everybody loves them. If you have a really good monster movie, everybody loves it. So what is the deal? How come they can't get that right?

But there's like a million girly movies. Yeah. How come they do that get that right? But there's like a million girly movies. Yeah. How come they can do that right? I don't know. How many people ask me if I saw The Notebook? I've seen The Notebook. How dare you? You got to learn how to say no.

It's important. You got to stay on your ground. There's times to stay on your ground. That's one. Yeah. Let's go see The Notebook. No. Oh, I didn't see it. You're not going to do that to me.

That's like asking a chick to watch a bass fishing program. Maybe two girls on the planet want to watch bass fishing on TV. That's what it is. The Notebook is like the girl version of bass fishing. You either like it or you don't. Or Twilight. Or Twilight. You liked it? Did you love it? Or Twilight. Or Twilight. You liked it?

Did you love it? It's your favorite movie? The Notebook? Notebook? For what it is, it's good. Is there any special effects that we need to know about in the Notebook? Oh, just Ryan Gosling. Is he in it or I thought it was the other guy was in it?

The other guy's in it, too. They're both in it? It's a double dose of hunk? Who's the other one? What's the Tatum, Channing Tatum? Oh, no. Is it him? I never watched that.

Why would I watch that? You did. You watched it. You got it at home. You got it on your DVR. Saved three times just in case there's a crash. No. Here's one I remember.

Dead Alive. Have you ever seen Dead Alive? What is that? It's Peter Jackson's first works, the guy who went on to do Lord of the Rings and King Kong. It's like an evil, dead, crazy, cartoony, over-the-top. Dead Alive? Yeah.

Huh. I remember the poster had the open mouth. You should probably check that one out, too. It's silly, but... It's very evil dead. Yeah. Isn't there a new Dracula that's going to be on TV now? Yeah.

Whoa. Oh, this looks hilarious. Oh, I've seen this. The baby. Yeah, I've seen this. And the guys, they're eating porridge or pudding or something. You never wished her any harm. You can pray. has caught on with the neighbors. You can pray.

You can plead. You can beg for mercy. Whoa. But nothing you can do will stop it. Because how do you kill something that's already dead? Okay, I get it. That's a tame take on what the visuals are. Did you like Cabin in the Woods? I thought it was fun.

Fun, right? I thought it was fun. That's why I judge people who take things too seriously. Like, people get mad. Like, even people that I like. Like, Eddie Bravo hated that fucking movie. He goes, dude, this is the worst movie. This movie's so bad,

you're not going to believe how fucking... He's one of those guys that needs movies to be realistic. He did that on the podcast, remember? And he kept on going, it has, like, Bigfoot in it. And he just named everything that you like. Like, Werewolves.

I loved it. Like, it's perfect. I mean, this everything that you like. Like Werewolves. It's perfect. I mean, this is a perfect movie. Yeah. It's so funny. It's like you wish the end could have just kind of gone on more and more. And you see everything going on in there. Yeah.

I thought it was fun. Remember Nothing But Trouble? That was good. What's that? Oh, that had good makeup. Dan Aykroyd. Chevy Chase. Demi Moore.

Oh, my God. Oh, that was Demi Moore. She keeps my God. How hot was Demi Moore? She keeps it together for a 50-year-old, but God damn, she used to be hot. Penis nose. Remember that? Yes. Oh, that's right. Dan Aykroyd played the guy with the penis nose.

And then John Candy's in it. I think he plays the daughter. Digital Underground. Digital Underground's in it, yes. Dan Aykroyd's completely bonkers about UFOs. How about a nice Hawaiian punch? Do they have Hawaiian punch anymore? Yeah, they still make that.

You can't say Hawaiian punch nipples anymore. It doesn't make sense. They don't have those cans anymore. David Miller did the makeup effects in this. He did the original Freddy Krueger. Oh, really? And Coneheads. He did the Coneheads for that movie.

Hawaiian punch with an oil can opener. That was comedy back then crazy look what he's doing that movie was actually really horrible like if I remember correctly it was just a really bad movie what did you think

of Close Encounters that's another movie where there was that was makeup right those were rubber those were dudes those were children they're children in leotards

yeah with latex masks yeah shot really effectively I mean that's a that's a slow movie for that payoff at the end Children in leotards with latex masks shot really effectively. I mean, that's a slow movie for that payoff at the end, but that's kind of a perfect example of good filmmaking. You could show someone a balloon, you know?

If you film it right and do all the setup, you can give them a hot air balloon, and they're going to go, that was amazing. Isn't that a film, a perfect example also of the context of the times? Because there was no real alien movie like that before where they came and they were omnipotent and intelligent and able to control. I mean, there was no mysterious, like it was a really brilliantly shot movie for the time. It was so incredibly original that when Richard Dreyfuss looks out the window and gets sunburned, and remember, everyone's freaking out and drawing that thing. It's like the buildup was so intense for the time, because there was nothing like it.

But now that we've seen, I mean, basically, it opened up the door for a million different films that came afterwards. So because those films are already in our database, it's sort of we lose the impact, the original impact of how good it was for the time yeah it's very subtle I don't know why I thought of in the 70s there's a movie called duel what is this Brian garbage pail kids man oh that's there you there's a movie called duel that was Spielberg's one of his early early early movies that he did just before Jaws.

And it's a guy being chased by a guy driving a semi. Have you ever seen that? Oh, yeah. And there's really nothing in the movie, but it's so effective. And I remember watching it as a kid. I was just drawn to it. And it's just a guy driving a truck. But it's just shot so well.

That's right. He's like a crazy guy, right? They never really show the driver. And it's just this ordinary businessman in the middle of palm desert over here he's off driving off the 14 freeway and uh he's being chased by this oh i know one that i like jeepers creepers that was a good movie that's a good fucking movie. That's an underrated movie. Absolutely. Jeepers Creepers. Don't you laugh at me, Brian. Jeepers Creepers is a fucking fun, scary movie. Believable.

Again, in the context of the times. Today with GPS and satellites and shit. Jeepers Creepers. Dude, pull up the trailer for Jeepers Creepers. It was good enough they did a sequel. Exactly, Brian. Just like Twilight. For me, though, with Jeepers Creepers is actually this is the one thing where the makeup effects kind of took me out when he had the big wings and he became this big gargoyle.

Almost took it too far. Spoiler alert. Sorry. He just ruined the movie. He ruined the whole Jeepers Creepers. How dare you? There's children right now that are just learning to see the world through new eyes. You have to spoil it for them.

I see what it is. When people get older, man, they just fucking hate on the young kids coming up. It was great because it was so silly. But it was still fun. You're just a huge Justin Long fan. No, I'm a huge Mac fan. That's the Mac guy, right? He's been in a few of those movies.

He was only 12 there, though, or something, driving a car. He was in Drag Me to Hell, too. He was great. Yeah. In the middle of nowhere. There's a tunnel that leads into a hole in the ground. He falls in! Oh, he slides down. Oh my goodness. It's waiting.

What the hell are you thinking? It's hungry. But it was mysterious enough. Like, they didn't show you too much of what was going on. Okay. If you're looking for a stupid, scary movie, it's a good one. Yeah. They threw everything in that what are some really good ones that perhaps are a bit

obscure that people might not know about besides the ones you've already mentioned House? was that a good one? House is William Katt it's a little light it's from the 80's what's a good monster movie that people haven't heard of besides Troll Hunter

did you see Troll Hunter? Did you see Troll Hunter? I've seen parts. How about Prophecy? Oh, that's not a bad one. From 79 with the mutant bear. Oh, that's a long-ass time ago. I remember that.

Had Talia Shire in it. Talia Shire. Wow. Jeez. Troll. Troll. How about the Leprechaun movies yeah

those are outstanding somehow or another those Leprechauns are always around black people you ever notice that those Leprechaun movies I think they did

Leprechaun they did Leprechaun in the hood look at this oh that's right are these I think Troll 2 is considered

one of the top 5 worst movies of all time is it worth seeing? It's like it's so bad. I don't think I've seen it. Is it, Brian? Yes.

It wasn't going to be me. If you're a Jeepers Creepers fan, you'll love Jekyll and Hyde. Wow, this is pretty bad. This would make Jeepers Creepers look like Citizen Kane. It's like a porno without the porn, actually. That's hilarious. How about Waxworks? What's that?

That's from uh 1989 it is uh that was like right when the uh they were starting to make a lot of uh straight to video films and uh it's got zach gallagher in it from gremlins wow and there's this wax worse waxworks in this house and a bunch of teenagers sneak in and one at a time they fall into each display of waxworks, and then the world becomes a reality. So there's a werewolf in it. There's a vampire. It's pretty fun. Wow, that sounds great.

I love those fucking stupid movies like that. Where I know, like a Jeepers Creeper movie, what I like about it is I know it's supposed to be stupid. Going in, I have very low expectations. What about Cujo? Didn't like it. No? At the time I did, but I tried to watch it again recently. I'm like, wow, is this movie dated?

That same guy did... Shoot That Stupid Dog. How about Alligator? There's an old 80s movie called Alligator. No, no. Never seen that? No, never seen it. Remember how cool it was back in the day?

I don't know if you guys had this in Los Angeles or wherever you're from, but they had 3D movies where they would have, like, you would get these 3D glasses and it would play, like, a movie with the red and blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you would have, like, the swamp thing. Right of the 13th, part three in 3D. Jaws 3D.

Jaws 3D. Yeah. There's only one scene where the fucking shark comes at you. You're like, no. Yeah, it's almost like there's a little scene that says, put at you You're like no It's almost like There's a little scene That says put on your glasses now Like two hours into it

One of my favorite movies here What is this? Maximum Overdrive Oh yeah that's right But I want to tell you About a movie called Maximum Overdrive That was a weird thing about him

Is that he would show up In all of his movies His best role though Is in that movie Creep oh yeah he's uh touches the asteroid yeah he grows green he was great in creep show stories and i finally decided if you want something that creep show was great period those kind of silly serial Ted Danson yeah that's right Ed Harris is in that oh those were great Christine was great too

no not so great, Silver Bullet Christine was great that was a great movie that's one of the best adaptations because it's the most believable in the sense that there's nothing that you're looking at that requires suspension of disbelief there's no monsters, it just a car that's haunted yeah you know that's a great one that's a one that's stands up too and it also like it kind of like it works with the story

like the book itself what about the psycho psycho film or the sequels i like the original one yeah but again for the for what it is at the. I feel like when you redo a movie like that, it's never going to work. It's never going to get past like a 7 or an 8 with me. It's never going to be a 10. Because you're redoing a movie. I know what you did originally. I know what it was. You're just kind of copying it.

Part of what's great about going to see Psycho the first time is nobody knew what the fuck was going on. It was a huge gimmick. Yeah knew what the fuck was going on. It was a huge gimmick. Yeah. Nobody knew what was going on. And I think that's important with a lot of movies. Alien 1, same thing. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on. All of a sudden there's this thing.

When you take that away, when you redo a movie, how high can it go up a lot? The good old one is The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the 78 one with Donald Sutherland. Great. That's a creepy movie. I watched that the other day. Yeah.

That holds up. That holds up. And it's another time capsule. Yeah. Like the way they're talking and watching things on TV. It seems real. Yeah, that was great. That was the days, man.

70s. 70s in San Francisco, I think it was. I bought that movie. That made sense. But the new one, when they did another one after that with Meg Tilly, I think it was. Wasn't it? Jennifer Tilly or Meg Tilly. One of those.

I think Meg, the one that you don't see anymore. She did a version of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. In the 80s, 90s? I don't know, man. It's got to be older. Let's see. Meg Tilly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I don't think it was.

I feel like it was in the 90s. How about, what is that movie? Ben with Mickey Rooney? Mickey Rooney. 1993. 1993. Meg Tilly. Got a 5.8 on IMDb.

Can't trust IMDb, those dirty bastards. Yeah, a little shop of horrors. They're trying to get people to watch a movie that sucks. I see what they're doing. Any other ones? What about The Cube? Did you like The Cube? Hellraiser?

Hellraiser? The first one. The first one. Yeah. And that has great makeup effects in it, too. It's effective. The first one's Yeah, and that has great makeup effects in it too. It's effective. The first one's pretty badass. What about The Fun House?

What's that? Toby Hooper directed that. That came out in the early 80s. Toby Hooper? Hooper. Hooper? Who's that? He directed the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Oh, he did? Oh, okay, that's right. And he did The Fun House. Or here's one that's kind of overlooked. I liked it as a kid, Poltergeist. Oh, it was a great movie. Yeah.'s one that's kind of overlooked. I liked it as a kid. Poltergeist. Oh, it was a great movie. Yeah.

Yeah, that's okay. There I take back what I said. Because I do like ghost movies. I like that one. That was a great one. That was probably the best ghost movie. And the best devil movie, The Exorcist. The best crazy guy movie, The Shining.

What about Misery? I love that. I love the book. The book was great. And Kathy Bates is such a badass. She killed it. Yeah, she has sold it so well. Top 10 horror movies of all time.

What's the top 10 movies of all time for you? For me? For me, American World from London. i think we both agree on that but like when you get past that what's some how about let the right one in did you like that i haven't seen it you haven't seen that no god damn dude that's they did an american version of that too which is actually pretty fucking good what was the American version of the let the right one in there's an there's an American version it's a Swedish movie it's really good man it's a young girl who's a vampire god damn it trying to think of the name. It's driving me crazy.

But I saw it. It took a little bit away from it because I knew what was coming. But I still thought it was pretty badass. Let Me In. Let Me In. That's it. But Let the Right One In was fantastic. Just enough.

There's a little bit more. There's some CGI in the American version. It fucked it up a little bit. It's to be expected. Is Halloween in the American version. It fucked it up a little bit. It's to be expected. Is Halloween in the top ten? It's not. It should be, right? That was a great one.

Rosemary's Baby. Oh, what about Amityville Horror? I liked that at the time. Yeah. Now I'm sure I'd hate it. It's the music alone in that movie is what really got me. The music? Yeah.

Well, it was a scary idea, too. Similar to The Shining, that something could possess a person that was actually a good person and make them completely nuts. Well, then it's based on the true story, too. Sure it is. Friday the 13th. Really? That's on the top 10? Yeah.

No, that's top 25. Of all the Friday the 13thss the second one is actually a little creepy the second one yeah there's whenever they get into those chain why is that they do a chain if they do a series of them they just never they just become cartoons ultimately yeah there's something about we you know people get greedy and they fuck it up? A really good classic old one is Rosemary's Baby. That is a good one. That is a classic one. And that's, again, a movie that just builds slowly for that big ending.

Here's one that people forget about, The Fly. Yeah, absolutely. Jeff Goldblum. That's probably one of my top ten favorite movies. Yeah, and that's a good one special effects-wise as well because there's a big transformation there. And it's a slow one. Yeah, it takes some time. And it just starts getting weirder and weirder and weirder.

Great cast for that character. Yeah, and that's Jeff Goldblum in his fucking prime. You know, he knocked it out of the park. Well, that's directed by David Cronenberg. And he's got Videodrome. David Cronenberg. And he's got, we haven't really, he's got Videodrome. He did an old one, though, called The Brood, which is just before Videodrome.

And that's kind of creepy. And it's got these creepy little kids in it. Wow. That's a little abstract. I remember that. The Brood. I remember that. And then he did The Dead Zone with Christopher Walken.

Did you see the trailer for the new Godzilla film? No. They took it offline for some strange reason. I don't know why they would do that. They played it at Comic-Con, and then they took it offline. Which movie? Godzilla. People got a hold of it and put it up on the internet, but whoever has been trying to take it offline, left and right.

How disappointed were you with Prometheus? Prometheus was sad. It was unfortunate because it seemed like it could have been really good yeah it seems like it just and then again the cartoony special effects thing the guy was just like he was so unbelievable he just I knew he wasn't really there he didn't he didn't seem like a real guy you know that that uncanny valley had not been bridged. It still was just like, I'm not believing. Even though it was supposedly a different creature, it wasn't a human,

it was human enough where I wasn't willing to buy it. And it's crazy because, you know, that's the same director as the original Alien. So you've got all this time and technology and, you know, I don't know, you know, to answer that question of what's happening with films and why don't they have that. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like people need to listen to you, dude. You need to just be the president of Hollywood. Let's get it together. Come on, Pat McGee. Just get out there and start running shit. Can you do that, please? Let's think it all through. Take a little time in the beginning.

These fuckheads. They're ruining it. There's got to be something good that's cooking right now that you're excited about is there anything there's nothing nothing and from what i know from all different effects shops and what's what i've heard there's not anything really going really yeah that's pathetic and you know know one thing too about my field is now it's a worldwide thing so you got really talented people in all different countries doing this kind of stuff too as they shoot in all these different countries but I don't hear of anything

that's really like oh they're doing that. Wow. That's sad. That really bums me out man. It's a genre that's dying well yeah that's why they're remaking everything and it's

and it's saying a lot when the remakes aren't holding up to the originals you know whereas you know when we were remaking stuff that was made in the 30s

40s and 50s I guess some of the remakes could hold their own like Dracula like the or the fly yes the fly which is also a remake yeah well there was another remake after that wasn't there made in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, I guess some of the remakes could hold their own. Like Dracula. Or The Fly. Yes, The Fly, which is also a remake. Well, there was another remake after that, wasn't there?

Wasn't there an even more recent remake? Of The Fly? Yeah, wasn't there? They just did a sequel. Oh, it was just a sequel. But was it still with Goldblum? No, it was his son. That's right.

That's right. And he evolved a different way. The Gary Oldman Dracula is my favorite of all the remakes, for sure. I don't think they've ever done a remake better than that one. I agree. But Frankenstein never really did right. King Kong, it's all the same shit. What about The Lost Boys?

Piece of shit. Did you like it? It's okay. I liked it when I was 12. My sister liked it. Yeah, of course. So the Okay. Did you like it? It's okay. I liked it when I was 12. My sister liked it. Yeah, of course. So the girls liked that one. Yep.

God damn it. It's the first version of Twilight before America became pussified. It was Twilight back when vampires were really wicked. Yeah. You know? Now they don't even duke it out anymore. They just fucking hiss at each other. Oh, here's one.

This was a little influential. Fright Night. Okay. From the early 80s. Okay, here's another one. How about the new Fright Night? No. From the early 80s. Okay, here's another one. How about the new Fright Night? Not fucking bad. What's his name?

Sexy Boy? What's his name? Colin Farrell. Colin Farrell. It wasn't bad. I enjoyed it. Look, I'm not saying what you want to hear. Now we've got an argument now.

I enjoyed it. You can't argue with me whether or not I enjoyed it. I'm not saying it's the best movie ever. I'm saying it wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't compared to the original Fright Night. I enjoyed it. You can't take that away from me.

Chud. How about Chud? That's a monster movie. Never saw it. Chud. Cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers. Yeah. I prefer Descent.

This is it. Is this Fright Night? Yeah. You don't have to play this, dude. It wasn't that good. Stop. Shut that shit off. What are you working on right now?

Can you tell us? Besides the... Well, I got this Bigfoot project in development. Right. I have Grinchmas. I am the makeup supervisor at Universal Studios Hollywood, heading up the Grinchmas crew, where we make up Grinches and all the Hoos for their Christmas event.

Oh, wow. So you're going to put makeup on people, turn them into Grinches? Like 100 people. Oh, my God. So I have a big makeup crew of 25, 30. And it's all like plastic faces and rubber foam rubber noses and the grinches are full face prosthetics and holy shit so that starts we're about four weeks away from starting that wow well good luck on that other thing that bigfoot thing i really hope you pull

that off yeah that's gonna be on the back burner until I finish that, and then the New Year full blast on the Bigfoot project. Now, if anybody wanted to contact you, what's the best way? The way I got you is mcgeefx.com. Is that what it is? Correct. M-A-G-E-E-F-X.com. Correct.

And if they want, they can order different things. You make that alien. Yeah, I have some collectibles there that people that are obsessed with this stuff yeah come after me for so if anybody wants to get a werewolf in london it's mcgee fx and how long does it take about uh it depends on my schedule but usually eight eight weeks eight weeks ladies and gentlemen you're not gonna live forever just do it bitch you know you want to well thanks for coming on and talk with us and if you ever have anything

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