The Joe Rogan Experience - #434 - Roseanne Barr

Episode Date: December 30, 2013

Roseanne Barr is a comedian, actress, writer, television producer, director, and 2012 presidential nominee.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Roseanne Barr is so badass, we had to start this podcast early. We had to start early. We couldn't even wait until three. We had to start early. We couldn't even wait until three. We had to get it rocking. She came here from a volcano, ladies and gentlemen. She lives on a volcano in the middle of the ocean.

That's as gangster as it gets. That's fucking right. You and Terrence McKenna, do you know who he was? Uh-uh. Who's that? Terrence McKenna was this crazy psychedelic guy who lived on the Big Island. He had this giant property on the Big Island where he grew all these psychedelic plants. Most of them were actually legal to grow because the Big Island where he grew all these psychedelic plants. Most of them were actually legal to grow

because the government didn't know about quite a few of them. How come I never heard this? You never heard of Terrence McKenna? No, so keep going. I will give you a lot of stuff before you leave

that tunes you into this guy. But he was this sort of psychedelic bard. That's the best way to describe him. Just a really good speaker who had a deep understanding of psychedelics bard. That's the best way to describe him. Just a really good speaker who had a deep understanding of psychedelics and of botany and of the biology of these plants.

And he also had some crazy theories about human beings and evolution. And his biggest one was called the stoned ape theory. Oh, I totally agree with it. No, I know that theory, but I didn't know it was from that guy. Mm-hmm. It's all McKenna. And he lived out the last part of his life on the Big Island. I agree with it. No, I know that theory, but I didn't know it was from that guy.

I saw McKenna, and he lived out the last part of his life on the Big Island. He had this cool compound and used to bring people up there and do ayahuasca with them, just save his books. That's like the third time I've heard about that ayahuasca. That's only the third time you've heard about it? Oh, on the Big Island. Yeah. In the last little while, a lot of people have been talking about that. It's spreading everywhere now, but I think McKenna is a big reason why it spread around Hawaii. He came to Hawaii, I forget what year, got some property and built a house out there. Do you know where?

On Mauna Loa in Kona. Oh, Kona. Yeah, he had a complete self-sufficient system up there. They're crazy up there in Kona. Collecting rainwater. Oh, Kona. Yeah, he had like a complete self-sufficient system up there, like collecting rainwater. Oh, my God. They're all crazy up there in Kona. They're the most genius. They're like genius inventors. They're just incredible over there.

The stuff they've done is like incredible looking. They're so futuristic in their design. It blows my mind. Their designs are space-like. Well, that's where the observatory is, too. Yeah. The Keck Observatory. So there's a bunch of genius people.

I don't never go up there. Did you go up there? Yeah. That's haunted. No. Really? It's haunted? Oh, no.

Oh, no. You're not supposed to go up there. How is it haunted? In what way? Oh, no, no. No, no, no? Oh, no, you're not supposed to go up there. How is it haunted? In what way? Oh, no, no. No, no, no? Oh, no, no. That whole Mauna Kea mountain, you know, that's a holy mountain, you know.

Is it? To the Hawaiian. People, that's where they were born out of is that mountain, Mauna Kea. That's where they were born. They were born? Yeah. But they came on boats, didn't they? Well, you mean from the Marquesas?

Yeah, from the Marquesans. Yeah, but it's like all one big old mind-meld thing. But the native Hawaiian people who, like, I don't know how they got there. Some say they came on those boats. like, I don't know how they got there. Some say they came on those boats. But they have their myths and they're very connected to that piece of ground. And they are very connected to, you know, Mauna Kea, the mountain. And, you know, they still have their same mythology and everything, you know. So I love to listen to what they say about the island and GMOs and power. They're some interesting thinkers.

Well, it's one of the last free places, really. If you stop and think about it, it's America, but it's not really. It's five hours away by plane. And it's incredible paradise as far as nature. All of the islands, Maui, the big island, all of them. They're just incredibly fascinating and gorgeous and beautiful. Well, it's got something magnificent. But all that, everybody says all that, you know.

That's one way of putting it, I guess. But to me, it's like, whoa, it grabbed me in the navel. It grabbed you in the navel? It grabbed my navel and it would not cease to grab my navel. That's one of your chakras, right? Isn't it supposed to be? Navel is one of them? There's something around there that it's like a magnet thing.

It's to a certain place on earth. I don't know. It's like an energy lay land. You know what I mean, right? I do. I've written some of my best things ever in Hawaii on vacation where I don't usually write. I can write there. That's why I like it there because I can really write there. It's like your head is clear and you have your creative idea and you can carry it out and finish it.

I can't never finish it, you know, but I can finish things there. never finish it, you know. But I can finish things there. Well, you are more at peace there, I think, because everyone sort of knows it's isolated, and you also know that you really are on a volcano, this beautiful, natural volcano. Well, I went there because they got a goddess named Pele,

and that's like one of the last places on Earth where there's like, you know, goddess that it is active in people's minds and act also active inside a volcano that might erupt at any time which is you know um what happens you know it's very sufiist you know what i mean because it's like somewhere there is that which occur that which uh is thought before it occurs you know know what I mean? And I really feel that there, that you get your thinking all lined up right, and it's like you're connected to the earth there. Like me trying to get my nuts out there, Joe. That's been the fucking mind-blower. Macadamia?

Yeah. You're growing them, right? You have like a plantation or something well i'm not growing them the trees are growing them i just pick them up but i try to uh fertilize my trees and get it so that you know i can perfect the nut and uh this year was quite a good harvest and uh these nuts are like they're not like nobody else. They're not like any other nuts. I'm serious. I believe you. I think if you are actually a part of it, I bet you affect it just in that way.

Well, I didn't do shit for it. It was like owned by the Dole Pineapple. You know about Dole in Hawaii, right? They owned the entire like island of Lanai, didn't they? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, one point in time at least. Yeah, them and the University of Hawaii, they're all hooked up, you know.

And they do do your genetic modification studies and such. Right. Which is very interesting to me of how they do all that and then create a pineapple that has lower acidity and stuff like that. I think that's interesting. It's very interesting. It's spooky and it's interesting at the same time because the implications of genetically modifying plants are huge.

They're very profound, and they shouldn't just affect the people that are creating them and putting them out there. They're really worldwide questions. And when you have people that are just getting away with doing genetic modifications on plants, not really sure of the long-term ramifications to the environment, to bees, there's a host of different things that are affected by these things. Well, I thought I did a pretty good checkmate on Monsanto, which I call Monsatan. I thought I got them in a chokehold like that bitch you were talking about, that fighting bitch.

Oh, Ronda Rousey? Yeah. She's nothing compared to me. Whoa, how dare you. I'll tell you, I put them in quite a nice headlock over there. What were they trying to do? Well, they were trying to pass a law or to get rid of a law, which took a lot of work getting there to make law, which was that the people did not want the GMO studies to continue on the island.

And, you know, so it was like, you got to vote yes, but it really means no. And I mean, it was like layer after layer of ridiculousness to protect public health. So I just started studying it and I realized that there were they they kept on doing that fake science thing that they do but it's like science lasts more than 90 days genetic studies proper scientific genetic studies they have follow-through and um they also have a control group, and, you know, you come to a conclusion. You don't stop studying after 90 days and then, like, actually, like pay lobbyists to pass the law saying you only have to do 90 days. I mean, geez, that's Satan.

That's frigging crazy-ass Satan. It's money. It's pure money. It's people wanting money over humanity, people wanting money over the possibility of damage. You know, we've got to be really careful with nature. It's just there's been a million diseases that have occurred throughout the history of people. And they come from a variety of reasons.

They come from a variety of sources. They come from all sorts of different contagions. But we can create shit. We could accidentally fuck up and create something horrible. And we could also, if we haven't already. What about this fucking atomic weaponry? There's the biggest fucking mistake anybody's ever heard of. And make it.

And then they make it and then give everybody 50 or 60 of them. That's ridiculous. I mean, the truth is, the horrifying truth of my opinion, why I don't go to parties. Because I do bum people out at a certain fucking point. You know, I do. Because it's like, it's not a popular thing to say. It's all fucking over.

Do you think it's totally over? It's too late? Yeah. The human beings have ruined the planet. Fuck yeah. See, I'm not convinced. I think we've definitely fucked a lot of things up. And there's definitely a lot of hubris going on.

And there's a lot of scary shit going on like Fukushima. Fukushima's bad. And they just had a new study showing that a lot of radiation started to reach San Francisco. They've found a 3% increase in some of the tuna, the radiation in tuna. It's scary shit. But there's also people. Well, they're saying don't eat fish out of there no more. Yeah, I don't know who they are, but I think.

But you know what? Here's the thing. We're all poisoned. Bingo. It's over. Everything's fucking rotten, poisoned, fucking it's all dead. It's dead as a fucking doornail and two motherfuckers. It's not dead yet, though.

Time to let the whole thing go. Really? I'm serious. Wow. It's time to get real and do what fucking needs to be done. What needs to be done? Well, you got to fucking get busy of trying to turn it back. So you got to figure out a way.

Don't let it keep on rolling over you. It's not going to get better. By it, you mean capitalist society, corporations, people destroying the earth, polluting, all that shit, nuclear waste. Is that what you're saying by roll it back? Well, everything that's lemming. It's time for Monsatan to become of use to the human race. That's just my opinion. They've got to come up with some kind.

If they're going to do genetic studies, okay, get rid of that. Get rid of that one. studies okay get rid of that get rid of that one come up with some kind of an implant for people's teeth or brain that blocks that horrendous lemming fucking impulse do fucking humanity a favor and figure out how we're supposed to get rid of that shit that we keep going along with what's killing us because we're too fucking confused to know what in the fuck is really real. Isn't it just that there's just too much to be paying attention to? Yeah. People have their own lives, they have their own problems,

their own bills, their own family, and then try paying attention to global issues like genetically modified foods and farmers suing all across the world. The farmers in Brazil recently won billions of dollars from Monsanto. Farmers in India commit suicide on an almost daily basis. I mean, they have farmers in India that are committing suicide left and right because of the debt that they get into with these crazy deals. Oh, it's all the debt-based bullshit.

It's all the pyramid. They can't get out of it, and they can't afford it, and the whole thing is just a disaster. It's a disaster, and it's a disaster that clearly has its roots in money i mean it's it's just about well here's the roots they're getting a payoff for the different various ways that people can get killed yeah they're getting fucking insurance payoffs for killing people uh you know and taking bets on how long it'll take for them to die but on on the other hand, I think like the idea of genetically modifying food in order to help people eat more nutritious food, you know, like golden rice. There's been a bunch of innovation as far as I think there's a lot of beauty in the science behind it.

But I think we got to be really, really, really fucking careful when you're playing around with nature, too. The money part is disgusting. The pollution of the environment is disgusting. But when you start talking about declining bee populations due to the pesticides they're using in their plants, it's scary shit. Because if the bees go, there's a chain reaction to this whole thing.

We might not like the end result of it. You've got to read up on that bee shit. That's really interesting micro-world stuff. But it's like all to stop the African queens, the invading African queens. Have you ever gone on there

and read that kind of language that is like really... Well, I know they were definitely afraid of Africanized killer bees. They were afraid of that

but that's not why they're killing these fucking bees. They're killing these bees because the pesticides they're giving them just kills everything. Not only that,

there's a lot of issues... It's because they're in business together working both sides of the street. You think they're actively trying to kill bees? I think it's just a side effect of the pollution. I think they're actively trying to kill whole populations for a fucking kickback.

Yeah. You think they're actively trying to kill whole populations of bees? Of humans. Of humans. Of life. Of intelligence. See, I don't think that. I think they're just trying to profit. Well, you're a positive thinker. I'm very positive. See, I told you I was a bummer. You're not a bummer. You're just very strong and very opinionated. I think it's all bullshit. And people better, you know, figure out how to make everything work for people. And everything could really work for all people. All the mechanism is in place. It's just like the crazy trons,

trons and bots that are seated in those positions of power. They're not for like, you know. Humanity. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I 100% agree. The real problem is the idea

of a corporation itself where you value the bottom line, the numbers over the humans that work there, over the humans you affect with your work. And because you can do it like that, because you can send drones to a place and shoot missiles out of the sky, because you can just sort of just choose to fuck over some country that you never have to visit and take away a lot of their natural resources and make them, force them into using your product because you have deals with politicians and kings and monarchs there. You know, just because you could do that doesn't mean that's the way you're supposed to be living your life. You have one life here, and you could choose to be an evil fuck or you could choose to be a good person. I always try to appeal to them to go, you know, you could rejoin the human race at any point. They all could they could they could like actually like make stuff all that

technology all that everything that it took to create the sign the actual science of like increasing food for people and and like desalinization of water and all these things that are so possible if i just want for just a few greedy fucks and their trons. Absolutely. I've always said that if you could just take the amount of money that the United States gave to Halliburton to rebuild Iraq after we destroyed it and put that money in the inner cities in America and not have the war, not destroy anything in the first place, the amount of positive work that could have been done and the same amount of contracts could have been dealt out. I know, right? We could have all easily convinced the United States public. Shit could have made sense.

Yes. It could have been good. If you think about the money that's been spent. It could have fucking worked. It still can. I think we have a better chance today than ever before. I think because today you have information. You have information that's being distributed in a way that no one can stop.

You can't stop it. So far, but they stopped it in some ways. It doesn't matter way that no one can stop. You can't stop it. So far, but they stopped it in some ways. If they want to stop it, they can stop it. But they are not big enough. There's not enough thems that would agree with that because they would turn against each other. It's not like there's a cabal of three dudes that have ultimate power. There's thousands and thousands of people that are making decisions whether or not this gets censored or that gets censored. And they're in cahoots against each other.

That's a problem. whether or not this gets censored or that gets censored, and they're in cahoots against each other. That's a problem. Like the FBI and the CIA, the reason why Petraeus got kicked, removed from office is the CIA was being spied on by the fucking FBI. Well, that's what NSA,

that's what all NSA is, them spying on each other. For sure. To find out if he knows the shit I've been pulling. Exactly. We're caught up. It runs on blackmail, like, okay, it's like they fucking think

they're like James Bond or something, but it's all like, they all have to be dirty in order to blackmail the other side. They're all fucking crooks. Every goddamn last

fucking one of them. Well, there's certainly quite a few of them that are crooks. And they're crooks inside the system. Do you know any that ain't? I don't know any of them.

I don't know them. So I don't know if they're crooks or not system. Do you know any that ain't? I don't know any of them. I don't know them. So I don't know if they're crooks or not crooks. But I think if you were growing up in that system, people imitate their atmosphere.

You get caught up in that wacky system and that becomes your reality. And you think you're doing it, you know, also the side effect is they stop terrorists. Did you see

that? I did. What? That? Insane. Yeah, wasn't it? That's like's that's like That was like fucking an unreal movie. Mm-hmm, but that's what that's what they've just gone crazy into Jackal land

They left a human race. Well, it's people trying to do something, you know, they try to win they try to Succeed they try to get past this marker. They have a marker of 10 million They want to get to a hundred They want to get to a billion. They're crazy. But like they keep snorting coke to keep it up, you know? Yeah. Because they've got to go farther and farther. Well, now it's Adderall.

Like the stock markets. Well. Now it's Adderall. Don't be telling me about Adderall because I got on Adderall and it's the best fucking thing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. My good friend is on, he has a patch that he keeps on his leg. Patch? A Prozac.

Yeah. He's got a Prozac patch that he keeps on his legs. Patch? A Prozac. Yeah. He's got a Prozac patch. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He was taking the Adderall. I like a morphine drip, but you can't get it. That's what I'd like. My friend was taking the Adderall, but the drop-off at the end of the day was too much for him.

It was really starting to drive him crazy because he would feel great throughout the day, be very productive, and then he'd have this big drop-off. Well, that's when you start your drinking that's cocktail hour i'm not saying there's anything wrong with adderall but i am saying a lot of people that are getting a lot of shit done are taking adderall no shit i just clean out listen i have i am so i just clean out my closets which i have never done in my whole fucking life because I can't focus to do that, you know. But like I said, I'm on Advil. I'm cleaning these fucking closets. I have shit in there from 25 fucking years that I was afraid to throw out.

I counted. I had something like 1,700 black, plain black T-shirts. Wow. It's fucking. I go... How did you count those all? I would have gave up after the first couple of hundred. Because I was donating them. Wow.

That's incredible. I'm not going to do that again. That's when I... That was pre-Adderall behavior. That was pre-Adderall? Yeah. Adderall made me see, oh shit, I had enough fucking black t-shirts. So Adderall gave you clarity? It did.

That's hilarious. So don't start fucking with me on that because my kids are trying to get me off it. Why are they trying to get you off it? They're like, mom, yes, I like meth. My fucking kids that I put through rehab. Now they're fucking giving me shit about my fucking Adderall. Tell me it's like meth. No, it's not like – I've never done meth except for two times when I was married to Tom Arnold.

But aside from that, I would never get into meth. Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good move. I don't think it's nothing like Adderall. I think they've got it down to where it's very effective for a lot of people. I'll tell you one thing. It's real effective because I got the back and forth of everything, two-way mirror thing going on all the time. It made me – I used to bite my nails so bad, you know, like down to nothing because my dad, he did it too. Wow. But I quit for a long time.

Then I went on Adderall and I started biting my nails. And then I had to keep it down to only two nails that I could bite. I allowed myself to bite only two nails. But it perfected my fucking nail biting too. Because there's like no nail left at all. You just get really good at it. I'm so good at it now. But you give yourself two nails?

Do you have specific nails? Yeah, these two are my biters. Oh. So Adderall let you save your other eight fingers, essentially. But it kind of forced me to do these two though. So it's got its good and bad. But I have clean closets. And you know what else I learned?

Final draft! Oh, you learned it from that? To write scripts? I was able to fucking focus. Great software. Yeah. That Anoril stuff. Did you know Robert Schimmel? I did know Robert Schimmel. Great guy. He was a really, really, really good guy.

Very, very funny guy and very good guy. He was so funny. He had a heart condition. And when he had his heart condition, when he was recovering from it, he accidentally took Adderall. Oh, really? Yeah, he called his doctor up. I guess it was somebody else's and he mistook the bottle, wasn't paying attention, and took the wrong medication. Took someone else's medication.

And so he calls his doctor up in a panic. Hey, I fucked up. paying attention, and took the wrong medication. Took someone else's medication. And so he calls his doctor up in a panic. Hey, I fucked up. I thought I was taking my heart medication. I took Adderall. Am I going to be okay? The doctor's like, don't worry about it. What's the dosage?

He tells him the dosage. He goes, you're going to be fine. He goes, just prepare to get a lot of shit done. And Robert said, he goes, I organized my notes in a way I've never done before. I went over stacks of paper and wrote them all down into categories. You can totally focus. I mean, it's so good. Like you can write a script instead of like getting 50 ideas on page 10 and writing 10 scripts.

And then just fucking throwing them all in the garbage. Right. You know, just the obsessive thing. You can focus it so that it's, you know, constructive. I've heard people say that it doesn't make you very creative, that it makes you get work done, but it's more like busy work done or things, not creative things, like that writing on it was not good. This is just obviously secondhand.

Yeah, that could be. Who knows? It could be. Yeah, I could never say because things affect people differently anyway like i know people that smoke pot and they want to go work out and i know people that smoke pot and they don't want to do anything you know and i don't know what that is they could smoke the same pot and they have that one person has a sense of adventure and wants to put boots on and go to the top of a mountain and the other person doesn't want to do a thing ever they want to play video games.

Who knows? You know, neural pathways. They're all different. Yeah. We're so different. People seek some relief and I'm sure we agree. They should have the right to the relief that they seek. You know, everybody, they should just legalize pot. And like then I think all the world's troubles would end.

Pot and hemp. I really agree with you, 100%. I think that especially if people started eating it. No kidding. Getting the self-objective, self-analytical experience, really intense experiences. People would be a lot less prone to continue a lot of their shitty behavior. That was McKenna's theory of evolution in the first place.

I've got to read about this guy. Yeah, it was all about psilocybin mushrooms in the rainforests of Africa, how the rainforests had receded into grasslands. And all this is proved by, you know, climatological studies, core samples, and stuff like that. The time has been debated,

but essentially what happened was the rainforest receded, monkeys came down from the trees and started experimenting with different food sources, and one of them was the mushrooms growing on cow patties. Oh, yeah. I've heard that. They started eating psilocybin mushrooms and started having these intense ideas. I mean, it only makes sense. If we get intense ideas from them and we have an advanced brain and a monkey gets intense experiences from them, they obviously have intelligent brains. I mean,

we've seen chimps do a lot of really crazy, creative things. We know that they act in packs. We know they hunt in packs. We're talking about like lower hominids getting a dose of psilocybin mushrooms on a daily basis. Of course, it's going to have a crazy effect on their evolution. Of course. That's a big factor. It's a big factor in terms of thinking, you know, and I completely agree with you. That and hemp and all these different things, if they were made available, I think we are lacking in self-analysis. And we are lacking as a society in our feeling of being responsible for the actions of the group. And those are two things that you feel when you're on psychedelics. Also, it's so arrogant, too, because it's like we just ignore what everything means to other people.

We don't want to know what everything means to other people. We don't want to know what anything means to other people. We don't care as long as we can make money. It's like if you're going to go to the rainforest and chop down these people's sacred trees and villages and, you know, force them to work in factories instead. If they're willing to do it, then we're going to get them to do it because we want those trees. We want that oil and we want whatever the fuck else is there that we can make medicine out of. I mean, what they're doing is just stealing resources. Right. And we're letting them.

We're letting them say, oh, this stuff, yeah, they don't live here. So what? These people have been there for thousands of years. Well, they're trying to destroy all tribal rights. That's what they're really after. It's crazy. They're trying to get rid of that, separate all people from like, you know. From nature.

You can't stop people from having the ability to live a natural life. Just because you have guns and just because you have tanks, that's stealing. And if we're going to just let people steal shit, if these people are there in the middle of the Amazon, that's their fucking home. That's their home. You have to be able to take into context their culture, this culture of hunting and gathering. You have to be able to take into context their culture, this culture of hunting and gathering. They're living in these cultures the same way they've been living in some places like in the Congo and in the Amazon. Thousands of years have been untouched.

You can't do anything about that. You've got to leave that alone. You have to because just as far as like for the sake of our understanding of ourselves, having people like that with these ancient, ancient, untouched cultures is so important. It's so fascinating. We can learn so much about the origins of certain behaviors, about group thinking when you're in small tribes that counter each other, about how they dealt with injuries and medicine.

I mean, these are fascinating, fascinating discoveries to be had. And instead, people just want money. They just want to be able to chop the trees down, fuck these weird people, take their shit and throw them in a cage or throw them in a camp. Well, you know, capitalism is like that. That's how it works.

Unless, you know, unless human beings with brains, you know, get it under control as a tool of people and not its master, it'll continue to go that way because it requires that. It requires gluttonous quarterly growth and there's nothing left but investing in people dying fast. Yeah, they don't want to maintain. They want growth, which is ridiculous. At a certain

point in time, if everybody kept growing, the world would be full. There's no room for everybody to keep growing, a business in that regard, that being your your primary goal not to be profitable not to make money well i think these guys are stupid let me tell you why because and it makes no sense to me either because okay i accept that they're greedy fucking pigs and um i just think why can't they make that work for them and everyone else? Why can't they be a greedy fucking pig? Because they're going to get like 10 times the fucking payoff. They will get even richer if they'll just listen to me. Make all the bets because like Wall Street and all that shit, that's just going to the casino.

all that shit, let's just go in the casino. Make all the bets about how fast you can turn a place green and sustainable. And how fast could that happen? A village. How fast could that happen? And, you know, they could like use the same fucking ridiculous infrastructure that already exists to like make things better for everybody and could get the food to the hungry people because there's really that's all it is is the roads that get the food to the hungry people that's 90 percent of everybody who's dying is dying because of waste and stupidity now if they fix that they're going to get 10 times fucking richer. But they're not greedy fucking pigs enough. That's the problem.

They see all avenues as being a way to make money, even avenues that hurt people as long as they profit. That's the real problem. They're lacking in humanity. what could fix everything or psychedelics being what could fix things. That's the only thing that's going to bring humanity to a giant group that thinks that it's okay to be completely diffused of responsibilities because you're a part of some gigantic machine that apparently no one can control now. So if you're a giant machine like Monsanto that's been fucking over farmers for 100,000 years or however long they've been around for, to stop that, to stop that whole thing, you're going to have to get the whole team high on mushrooms. No, but it worked.

Didn't you hear this, that Monsanto said they were going to, now they're going into pot. Did you not hear that? They're fucking. Good. They're changing their thing, and they have another name for it, Synergist or some shit. They have another name for pot?

They're going to try to patent pot? Well, no, their new company, yeah, they're going to own the the patent on pot that's where it gets really creepy they tried to own patent on pigs they tried to own pigs because they're genetically modifying pigs i was totally involved in that argument it's a crazy fucking argument because it was like can you can can we create a kosher pig that that's an actual thing there's actual studies about that the idea of patenting and then owning a life form it's fucking ridiculous though I think it would be really cute how would it be you'd have to be all blessed from the DNA it would have a nicer hoof it was kosher its hoof would look better it

wouldn't be cloven what would it be if they genetically altered it what would be the other options you want to give it like they'd make a pig into a cow or something i guess like they made a fish out of a tomato you know that right i mean a tomato out of a fish they put fish genes in the tomato to make it shiny in the grocery store yeah i know they're doing a lot of weird shit like that. They've always been doing that. That's what I was saying about my farm. That dull pineapple, my farm is where they did a lot of shit like that.

And here it is like I don't know how many generations later, but my fucking nuts are like walnuts. I'm telling you. And you think it's because of the genetically modified dirt or something? Whatever.

These fucking things, three of them is a meal. Really? Yeah. It's the perfect protein. How did you get involved in macadamia nuts? How did this whole thing get started? Oh, God. oh god well i tried to look for a school to put for my kid because you know my kid uh he's 18 now but he was little and he needed to go to a school that had focus because i don't have any focus so

i wasn't able to teach him how to focus or else he was born that way or some shit. But I can't tell. But so I put him in that school. So then I went over and I found this school. So I went over there and I bought this farm, Sight Unseen. Really? Moved into it. What island? Big Island.

Wow. So there was a really good school. As soon as I knew it was Elvis' favorite island, I went there. Did you know that? That's where Elvis was. That's where Elvis, yes. It's the spot, though. If you've never been to the observatory, that's a life-changing experience.

No, I'm not going up there. No, they said don't go up there. No. Because it could erupt at any fucking time. Really? Yeah. Is that active? Is that one active?

Yes. Mauna Loa is active, right? Mauna Kea. Mauna Kea is active? Yeah, Iuna Kea. Mauna Kea is active? Yeah, I think they give you a little bit of warning before it blows. I know. I'd just be turning the corner in my car just as it happened. Right when it hit?

Yeah, I know it. I tweeted a picture today of a bridge falling apart, of a road actually falling apart. Just some cracks in the road, a landslide that's gigantic. That's one thing you do have to think about if you live in Hawaii. You do have to think about the fact that you're living on a volcano. Do you know I'm not making this up? You won't fucking believe this. This is the kind of shit that happens to me, and I'm not making it up.

I believe you. I was sitting at my desk here where I live, you know, in the marina. And I just hit send on some incendiary thing that I'd worked on all day. A fucking incendiary tweet that was at perfect zero. You know what I mean? Right, when you get to the numbers, 140 characters. 140, it's 140 characters. 140. It's 137.

Shit. Now I have to alter the top of it. That's like it for obsessive people. But I just hit send. And right then I felt an earthquake right on my fucking desk. And I went online and it was, it had hit Marina Del Rey, right where I was sitting. And I'm like, don't fucking go crazy because I was alone. I'm like, don't fucking freak out, running to the street, screaming, knocking on their neighbor.

Don't fucking do that. Stay in here. Get some emotional control. You've just lived through a fucking, you know, whatever it's called. The earth moving. Yeah. Earthquake. Yeah.

So I calm myself down. So I go back to Hawaii. The first night there, there's another one. I almost lost my shit. Did you think it was just beginning? Yeah, it's so terrifying. You think of all these people like, you know, they're just there and here comes a tidal wave and here comes a tsunami. I mean, how vulnerable we are to all of these elements and weather and stuff. People don't think about it. It's terrifying shit.

You can have a fucking nervous breakdown over that. Well, you definitely can. I mean, there's always going to be the problem that human beings die. We're very finite. And whether or not we get hit with an earthquake or a tsunami or a hurricane, we're going to die anyway. I know. That's really the terrifying part. Yeah. That's the one.

That's the big one. And then you're sitting there all the time wondering how you're going to die, you know? Like, are you scared of that at all? Do you think of that? No. Not that much. No. The only what I think about the big worry for me would be leaving behind my kids.

Yeah, that would be the big worry, you know, making them sad. But we're going to die. I mean, I don't want to right now. I'm enjoying life, but I'm pretty sure it's inevitable unless something crazy comes along technologically over the next hundred years. Wouldn't that be cool? They say that it's there. I don't know if it would be cool because I don't know what's next. I'm not convinced that this is a one-stop shop.

Like we land in life and this is it and this is where our soul is, this is where our energy is. This is the ultimate stop of our existence. I'm not convinced. Where do you think you'd go after this? I don't know, but just the fact that this exists, just the fact that this life that we live in, where we can communicate with our mouth, where we can see with our eyes, where we walk around and drive around and fly in planes. This life is so fucking insane and so crazy and bizarre and fantastic.

Just the idea that this existence exists where we shut off every night for eight hours and completely vanish from the reality that we live in. And then we do it willingly. And then we come back in the morning and we start all over again. That alone is fucking fantastic and bizarre and strange. I'm not convinced that when we die, this ends. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced that anybody dies. I'm not convinced that this whole thing is in just one series of wake ups and goes to sleep and wakes up and go. And while you're conscious and while you're alive, I'm not convinced that you're in the same timeline that you were on before. I think we're Sims.

We could be. I mean, that's what a lot of people far smarter than me are arguing you could almost prove, that we are part of some sort of a crazy, gigantic computer simulation. Yeah. But that might be what the universe is in the first place. I think it's a computer. The whole thing might be, you know, I mean But that might be what the universe is in the first place. I think it's a computer. The whole thing might be, you know, I mean, that might be what nature is. We try to look at nature as being something that's, you know, this is rock and this is

dirt and these are water. Yeah, sure. Until you break it down to molecules, until you break it down to some atomic particles that exist everywhere. I like patterns. When you break it down to like, you know, the genetic patterns. Like Fibonacci sequence and things along those lines. All that shit is so interesting.

Fascinating. It's like, oh, you don't need any bigger mystery than this. You know, who knows? Well, I know today Charlie Hill, a great comic, he died. Oh, he did die. Yeah, he did. He left the earth. I was just talking about him the other day with Jamie Masada.

Jamie Masada from The Laugh Factory was telling me how sick he was. I had no idea. Yeah, he just went last night and boy, he was a great comic and a great person. Very, very good person. I've known that guy for a long time. He was always a very, very nice guy. He's still funny too. Yeah, he was. He's

a good comic. He was a funny dude. Native American, told a lot of jokes about white people stealing his land. Yeah, that was really funny. You know what he called? You know what he said? He goes, God damn it. He goes, I'm so glad you called because he's like, I'm laying here dying,

and I'm only hearing from B-list comics. That's hilarious. He was happy you stopped him for a guest set and then he goes he goes not that's an old line because he said jay and and david and everybody had already called him but he was still writing jokes you know right at the very end of it writing a fucking joke yeah that was the way that guy was he was a fun guy very very nice guy and fun guy to be around. Well, look at the friggin' what's happening with the Native, the First Nations people in this country. You've got to sit up, otherwise people can't hear you. Or drag it to you.

You can drag it back. I was saying, take a look at First Nations stuff in the United States and how that's just, it's very fascinating to become more informed on that subject. Yeah, it's essentially genocide. I mean, that's essentially what happened to the Native Americans. Their culture was wiped out. They were stuck into these small camps and fenced in and given these areas, and those areas eventually became casinos in some spots. I mean, it's the weirdest absorption of a culture ever.

Most of them didn't get any of that money. There's only a couple tribes that got any of that money. I believe it. Remember when that Jack Abramoff walked off with about $30 billion from the Bureau of Indian Affairs? No, I didn't know about this. Who's that guy? He's one of those banksters that got caught, and I think he got four years. God.

Yeah, stole all the Bureau of Indian Affairs money, $30 billion. Well, those casinos are fucking, the whole situation is crazy because it's not like it's all Native Americans that own and operate those places. Other people are involved, too, that are profiting off of these casinos that are in places where it's supposed to be illegal. But in Native American land. I got in trouble once because they had me meet some of their Native. Council or something?

Yeah. You got in trouble? Yeah, because I go, I know you're Italian. You're Jewish. I know you're Jewish. I mean, I could tell that they were Italians and Jews. They weren't frigging Native Americans. Well, how much Native American do you have to be?

Do you have to be 100%? 50. 50? By the Roseanne Barr scale or by the scale to run shit? By the scale of each tribe makes their own thing. But it's mostly 50. Mostly 50. Or it could be your grandparents too, 25. But it has to be pretty 50-50. Like in Hawaii, one thing I think so cool is that they do have a lot of affordable housing for the First Nations people there, you know, the Hawaiian people. And they get their, like, guarantee of school.

And, like, they got, you know, Hawaii, the Big Island Hawaii is a fantastic socialist state. And, you know, I think that it's just going to make the big turnaround real quick because China just said no GMOs. So we kicked their ass out. So now I think we're going to have a boom, but we do need some of that technology because I think we want to grow organic seeds with help. We don't want to reinvent the organic seed. We want to grow organics with technology. So it's an incredible new time of, you know, mixing the best of everything. So what you're talking about is not genetically modifying the foods, but using technology to more efficiently till the soil,

more efficiently irrigate the crops, more efficiently put nutrients into the ground, things along those lines, right? Yeah. Yeah. The stuff that works. Well, not only that, the stuff that we know the cause and effect of, we know it's healthy, we know it's a part of the ecosystem, we know that there's just a rich biodiversity when it comes to any place where something's growing. There's bugs involved and rodents evolved and bees.

There's a lot of things involved. It's not just the plant itself. When you alter the plant, the real issue seems to be that you alter a lot of other shit too. And then of course is, I don't know how much of this is true or not, but the idea of cross-pollinization and people being sued because they have genetically modified foods growing in their farms because of inadvertent cross-pollinization. Well, most of us have a mix. I mean, honestly, there's very few people who have only organics. Really? Yeah.

Most farmers there have a mix. But I think now it's been tilted to where it's going to become more and more, you know, moving towards 100% organic, no pesticides and this and that and the other. But in order to do that, you've got to reverse a lot of things. Like, you can't let them be spraying overhead anymore. They can't be spraying aluminum and barium all day if you're going to grow.

Are you saying chemtrails? The aluminum and barium shit? Yeah. You know, I did a whole sci-fi special on that. A sci-fi channel. A whole episode dedicated to chemtrails. And the more I paid attention to it, the more I think that people are very confused as to what's going on. The government, I guarantee without a doubt, has sprayed things on people. They've proven it.

They've proven it. They did it. I believe it was Detroit. There was a recent thing they talked about doing it in the 1950s. They did tests to see what would happen if the communists came over here and did some sort of a nuclear attack on the population or a poisonous gas attack. I mean, they sprayed particles so they could track them. They don't know what the fuck that's going to do to people. They've done things where they've done experiments on the weather. They figured out how to cloud seeding by just doing it. I mean, they knew the science behind it, but it's not like they had a vote on the entire world and asked people, hey, can we seed clouds? Or what do you guys

think? No, fuck it. They just did it. The government has done things along those lines for a long time. Well, some people think that they bring on earthquakes too. Yeah. We talked about that as well in the sci-fi show, but here's the problem. There's science behind those trails. You can track when it's going to happen and when it's not going to happen. It's all based on the humidity in the atmosphere. That's what it's all based on. When you have a jet engine and it burns jet fuel and it's going through the atmosphere, it's creating moisture. And in conditions where it's almost cloud-like, like very hazy, when a jet engine passed through this change of atmosphere and adding moisture, creates

a cloud. So when you see those patterns, and people go, oh, they're spraying us. No, they're actually creating a cloud with the natural effect of a jet engine passing through a certain amount of humidity. That's why you see them in some days, but other days you don't see them. Is that to bring rain?

No, it's just a natural side effect of jet travel. Not only that, they've known about it since the 1940s. In the 1940s, there was a paper written by the Army where they were asking about these things that you see behind planes. They called them consistent condensation trails. Persistent, rather. Persistent condensation trails. Right.

They didn't call them contrails back then. So they were trying to figure out what those things are. And they realized that this is just what happens if you get an engine to pass through the environment, burn fuel, and create moisture. That in certain conditions, it creates clouds. See, when people start talking about aluminum and barium and all that different shit, look, there's aluminum in everything. Not only that, the ground is filled with fucking aluminum.

And a lot of these guys that are doing these tests, look, we found aluminum in the water. When you look at their test, it actually says sludge. Like, what in the world are they spraying? This is a conversation I had with a guy on the air. It says sludge. Sludge is dirt. Dirt and water. And he's saying, look, there's all this aluminum in this water.

And I'm like, that's not water. That's water with dirt. So what you're telling me is you did a scientific test that showed that dirt tested positive for being dirt because that's what it is dirt has seven ten percent aluminum in it sometimes less sometimes more aluminum is one of the most common things you can find in dirt so when someone does a test and says look this aluminum is proof they're spraying the skies no fucking aluminum is a part of nature it's everywhere but they are spraying aluminum

though they're not if they were spraying it why would they be spraying it and what what would it look like well here's what it wouldn't look like clouds aluminum's heavy if you spray it it's much heavier than moisture you're saying they're not spraying chemicals on us they're not what you're seeing in those things in the clouds well there's real chemtrails you know what the real chemtrails that's what i'm talking about hold on second. They're burning fucking millions of gallons of fuel in the atmosphere. That's real. Forget about all this craziness of them spraying shit on us that's going to alter our personalities. They're burning fuel in the sky.

And we all take part of this. You did to get here from Hawaii. I did to get here from Vegas this past weekend. We're all a part of it. But what it is, for sure, is not good. You're burning fucking fuel in the sky. That's the real chemtrail. What you're seeing in those cloud things, they're not spraying chemicals out of clouds.

It's not some gigantic conspiracy that the whole world is in the dark about and all these politicians are in on. Do you know how many fucking people would have to be quiet every day on a daily basis if they really were spraying aluminum on people? And if they were spraying aluminum on people, it wouldn't look like clouds. Those are, they look like clouds because they are clouds. I've asked scientists. They said if you had aluminum dust and you spray it, it wouldn't look anything like those clouds.

Even Monsanto says that they are,anto says that they need to have a reflection. Geoengineering. Yes. They need a reflection because of what's in the soil. A reflection. Yeah. They need to create a mirror. What do you mean?

Well, that's what it is. It's a mirror. Oh, you're talking about spraying in the sky? Yeah. That Monsanto said that? Yeah. Oh, no, they didn't. Where did you hear this? Yes, they did. No. It's a mirror. Oh, you're talking about spraying in the sky? Yeah. That Monsanto said that? Yeah. Oh, no, they didn't. Where did you hear this?

Yes, they did. No, I guarantee you they didn't. It's a mirror effect. Some people say this, I say. Okay, I know. I don't know if I believe it. Those people are fucking crazy. I don't know.

Those people are fucking crazy. But they said it so they can project the movie that they plan on fucking putting us all through. The war of the worlds. You're on that island too long. You're going crazy eating those genetically modified nuts. Those crazy nuts have got your fucking mind warped. I know people say that, but people also say that all the leaders of the free world are actually reptiles.

They also say that. I don't go that far. I'm glad. I'm glad you have a point. I don't fucking think that aliens are coming too. No. Are you one of those with the planet Nephilim and all that? Nephilim.

Whatever it's called. I don't go there neither. It's Nibiru is the planet and it's the Anunnaki. No, no, no, I don't. My daughter does. Well, they do know that there's something out way, way out far past Jupiter and past Pluto. And they think that it's bigger actually than Jupiter. They think it might be actually four times the size of Jupiter at least. So they think it might be a brown star, like a star that's dyed out.

And they think that this solar system we're in might actually be a binary solar system. So it's a brown dwarf star. And apparently there's as many binary star systems as there are with a single star. There's a lot of them. It's like super common. And if that's the case, that makes sense for a lot of things, including Pluto. Because Pluto is a small, it's not really a planet. Like that's why they stopped having it be a planet anymore.

They realized it's a part of the Kuiper Belt, which is this huge belt of objects way out of the edge of the solar system. But there's a thing called the galactic shelf. There's this big drop-off afterwards, which would indicate there's something absolutely massive just outside of it. This is all butchered science, by the way. I'm not a scientist, obviously. So they think if there is a planet out there,

a something out there that these people, you know, are trying to describe, then more likely it's like a brown dwarf star. But there's no people on it. It's just a giant mass of something. I think there might be people somewhere. Well, there could be somewhere if there is us. If there's us, there could be somewhere.

The real problem with the alien thing is that everyone you talk to that says they've met aliens or they know aliens are real, they're almost all fucked up. Almost all. Almost 100%. It's a hard weird. It's like I don't believe I don't not believe in aliens I absolutely believe that aliens could be real just like I believe in spiders spiders Spiders are fucking crazy. You ever met an alien though. No, I don't believe so I mean I might have I think if you're smart enough to come here and be an alien You're smart enough to also take a human form. I mean, we have fucking camouflage that we put on jets where you can't see them on radar. You know, we have hunters that wear, you know, clothes that look like trees and they stand in the, no one even sees them.

Look, it's real obvious they could pretend to be a person. If you're so smart, you could get here from the planet, fuck yourself, a billion trillion light years away why can't you what if the government's made them what if they're bots no they're bots listen listen to me they're called no they are bots and they are created and programmed and set upon uh innocent people from our government this government from the the government of the beast the government of the beast so The government of the beast. So the money behind the whole thing. The other problem with that is they're not smart enough to make that. So you'd have to get people smart enough to make that.

And the consensus science right now is not capable. A bot like that. The consensus science right now is not capable of making a fake person. That's bullshit. Have you seen those sex dolls? They're close, but it's not going to trick me. Well, that's just what they're showing you, but they're 50 years ahead of that shit. The problem with that kind of thinking is the people that are in control. They have the whole Republican thing sewed up forever.

The people that are in control are not smart enough to create all this stuff. This stuff has to be created by scientists. The scientists, it's all documented stuff. Like everything that's being done, all the stuff that's being done today is all based on the technology that's been created by geniuses over the past hundred years. From Tesla to Edison on down the line, all these different people have added their contributions. And there's a very clear line between how these things get created. So when you have all this fantastic stuff like giant televisions and satellite internet and all this, there's a direct line. It shows how all this stuff came about. But yet they can't still get any clean water or food to the hungry people.

It's not that they can't. It's just that they haven't figured out a way to make it so profitable that it's more profitable than destroying the environment and stealing people's resources and leaving behind horrible pollution. Because that's profitable, that's the way they're doing it. The real problem is that corporations are allowed to act like this. Yeah, that is a real problem. That individuals become a part of the corporations and then they lose their humanity.

And what is it that, what is it that, I really want to say this, so I'm going to be at, you know, jump in there. But, you know, uh-oh, I think I lost the thought. It's like, you know, I did, I lost the thought it's like you know uh i did i lost the that's okay it happens what you were saying was that what i was saying that you reacted to was that they need to figure out how to still remain human and that the problem is when you have a corporation you have this big giant group of people that's allowed to act and and make money without any consideration that's what i act and make money without any consideration. Oh, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, because it's government.

You know, the government that they hate and all talk about, oh, we can't have a big government. They're all on government money while they're saying that. The Republicans. All of them. Everybody who hates the big government is sucking on the tea to big government. And that's their job. They're getting paid to go out there and say, we big government we need to keep government in check but government is the thing that keeps that shit in check government is the only power that people have government is the way

and there's no there's no uh law saying it has to be a bunch of corrupt fuck fucking people that are for sale and whores and shit. That ain't the law. It could actually be people who understood what being a true representative of the American people means. I think we should start a America. Here's my solution because I like to think of solutions rather than just yap about problems like the left and the right because they're fucking idiots who can't invent anything. like the left and the right because they're fucking idiots who can't invent anything. But, you know,

I think we could fix everything in a real big fat fucking hurry. How? We could fix the economic system if we wanted to. But we just put fucking regulations on it. All the things that existed, you know, before Reagan took them away

and sold us down the fucking river. Just put them back. Did you ever watch that documentary Inside Job? Yes. Fantastic, isn't it? Wasn't it great? fucking river. Just put them back. Did you ever watch that documentary Inside Job? Yes. Fantastic, isn't it? Wasn't it great? Terrifying.

Terrifying and fantastic. And the guy who did it. These guys on coke. They're the fucking guys in the Wolfs of Wall Street. Yeah, exactly. And the guy who created it, I should give him some credit right now, Charles H. Ferguson. And he's awesome.

It was a really fantastic job he did. It was just a brilliant and insightful view on how these problems occur, who profits, how these people that start out as people who are the educators who are recommending, the economic professors that are recommending certain standards, and then those standards get passed, and these guys wind up getting giant jobs with the very banks that profited from them changing the regulations. It's fucking madness. It's just thievery.

It's the shell game. It's right in front of everybody's face. Well, they get off on that now. They used to like hiding it with their secret organizations, but then they made a big change once they started on that cocaine. Then they liked to put it in people's's face and they kept coming with it and it's like not just put in their face but bend over and spread their ass cheeks and rub it right on your nose as long as you can get a vacation house they're willing they are they are just like sure they can get away with anything

yeah and they have been allowed to get away with anything not one of them's fucking ever been arrested i think that's what's going to change And I think it's going to change because of the internet, because this information was all hidden before. This same type of behavior, it's not new. It's not that it just erupted in 2000, you know, whatever. It's been around forever. You know, we have the direct line that we learned about the kind of regulations that Reagan had, you know, stopped and what happened from then to the Bush administration. We know all that stuff now. They just moved public money into private pockets.

That's the short of it. And, you know, they made laws that made it possible for them to do that. But what was so incredible about it is that it seems that, and this is why I ran for president, because it was like, when are they going to put an American person, like a working American person, in a seat at those tables where money is apportioned? Will that ever happen? You mean a person that represents the average person, the average folks? Yeah, of the public, of John and Joan Q. Public. So I think we should start a, I think that should be the name of our corporation of Americans Inc. And that we should apply for, you know, privatized contracts like everybody else is doing. So America Inc. being, you know, there's a friend of mine that's starting a business,

more of an avenue rather, for people to fund politicians the way corporations have been funding politicians and to encourage politicians that are responsible and ethical and that you could profit from that just as much as you could profit from having worked for some evil corporation and that if you got like sort of almost like a Kickstarter type thing to represent like a really strong ethical politician. I know everybody says that but anytime you put money into it, it's going to be wrong and suck ass. But if it's all transparent, the idea being if they're not representing a corporation

that's going to profit, instead they're representing people that want morality and ethics. See, the money, there's profit. It's about common wealth. But do you see what I'm saying, though? I do. The people would be willing to contribute and then someone else would control it. You're still in their system, though. But I don't think it would be their system anymore.

It would be our system if it was done correctly. What I'm saying is that our system would be different than the system right now because there wouldn't be a need for profit. I'm saying is that our system would be different than the system right now because there wouldn't be a need for profit. So the need for profit exists now where you get the politicians take the money from the corporations. The corporations give the money because they want profit. This would be people giving the money because they want ethics and morality and a healthy society. So I think so much money comes from taxpayers as it is to have that be an option instead, to have people donate, people that really care about it donate a certain amount. If everybody donates a little, it would be a staggering amount of money out of 300 million people. Yes, and see, I've gone to therapy.

You know, there is the public commonwealth and, you know, for people who do pay taxes and they should get something back for the taxes they pay. That's the whole point. Right. And it should be in the form of hospital schools, clinics. No doubt. Free legal advice. I mean, that's what you pay your fucking taxes for, health care. That's why you pay for roads and other things, clinics. No doubt. Free legal advice. I mean, that's what you pay your fucking taxes for, health care. That's why you pay for roads and other things, too.

You certainly don't pay your taxes to subsidize somebody who's thieving from you. 100%. I agree. Not only that, I would take it a step further and say community centers should be mandatory. Absolutely. In almost every community where kids can go, where they're protected, where they can learn things, where they can learn sports and skills and games and places where we can educate inside of communities. I think that we should be just like a gas station. It should be a normal part of every sort of city or town, and it should be funded. It should be funded by the government because it's there to improve kids and it's there to improve people.

But education, free as fuck across the board. Straight through the university all the way to the end. We should pay for that. We should make it tough to get into. You have to work hard, but it's fucking free. You know, education, college education was free in California before. And that's the first thing Reagan got rid of. Of course.

When he was governor. I'm not shocked. And that should be free. College. I mean, we can't encourage laziness, but we can certainly support people that want to learn and make it so that it's less of a thing. I mean, one of the reasons why good doctors get so goddamn greedy is because they got a fucking huge bill behind them from from medical school so many people go into by the time they're into office they have these giant fucking all these kids that are getting out now they're in a big old financial hole yeah you know they're in a hole and what it

means is i mean this is just part of the scam and all that was like because their parents signed you know their houses away for the education then they come and take the house. Hello? It's just a big frigging Ponzi scam. It's the shell game times a million. Well, it's even more the shell game when it's obvious that when you find out that the banks actually banked on people faulting on their loans. Yeah. Defaulting. People falling apart and have their homes repossessed.

They actually banked on that. I know. They profited off of it. That one really pissed me off because it was like, you know, you know then what that means.

Like, you know, that means in terms of cost, real cost, not bullshit paper cost, but real cost to a community.

That means a lot more little kids are going to get beaten to death. And it means a lot more little kids are going to get trafficked. And, you know, I do think... Just because of poverty. Yeah.

Putting that on people. So you can have a, you know, give your fourth mistress another, you know, endangered species cape. You know, that's what I was going to say, the guillotine, but they made me stop it. That might be one of the best quotes in the history of the internet. Give your fourth mistress an endangered species cape. Cape. What kind of cape would you make? Like a rhino cape?

Human skulls? Baby skulls. Just stitched all together so it clacks when you walk? Virgin blood vials. Dangling around your neck? Yeah, with a fox trim. That's a real baller, though, if he's got four mistresses. That guy's respect. Yeah, but until you see him, like my boyfriend always says, whenever we see a, you know, when we're here in California,

we always see a rich old fucker and his, you know, stripper wife. And Johnny always says, that is proof that our currency is sound. That's funny. Proof that our currency is sound. That's funny. Proof that our currency is sound. That is actually very funny. But, you know, I mean, when you make everything for sale, you know, money doesn't mean anything. That's why I think they're such fucking geniuses. Here's how fucking stupid they are.

But they think they're smart. Who's they? The financial wizards the smart guy the smart guys okay the money guys the money guys yeah okay they're so fucking stupid they they make everything at a certain point it's gonna hit a wall and end. They put that right in there too. It can't go on. Right. It's not sustainable. It's going to crash and you're going to fucking get caught.

But I think that's what they like because they're sociopaths. They like the fucking people over part so much, you know, that they just keep the denying that there's going to be a reckoning. But, of course, there is, and that's already happening. There's a fucking reckoning right now on Wall Street, and everybody knows it, but nobody talks about it. Well, I think that's just what people do ordinarily without logic and without enlightenment. If they're a fucking moron. But it's what we do as far as the pollution of the environment, as far as global warming.

You're right. You're right. Smart people would far as global warming you're right you're right people will not do that you're right because they would factor in the true cost not the not the one in the books that you cook oh i'm 100 in agreement with you but i think that the consequence of their actions is just something they're like i'll deal with that eventually yeah i don't think they're like engineering this this idea of infinite growth hit the wall yeah and they fuck over like all the old people and everything they fuck over every and then right away what's the first thing they do they start working on the other side of the street they go to rehab right and they then they come out

you know i've been sober for 14 days and then you have to like say god damn you're a hero good for you it's such a hypocritical and then they go and they they work to try to stop corruption that's my favorite yeah that is expose corruption and write books on this is how it's all like so crazy i think though that the what i'm saying is that i think people do shit when they think that it's like why do people smoke cigarettes they know the consequences are cancer they know they think that, it's like, why do people smoke cigarettes? They know the consequences are cancer. They know they're going to get it. But they're like, eventually.

But the smoke right now is better for me than not having the smoke, so I want it right now. And the consequence is, fuck it, I'll deal with them later. And I think that's a lot of times what people are saying when they're creating these sort of laws that allow them to, you know, the concept of infinite growth doesn't make any sense. It doesn't work on paper.

There's only a certain amount of resources, a certain amount of space on Earth. If you just keep counting numbers, you're going to run out of space. I think they're going like this. This shit is over. I'm getting mine now as much as I can grab. I don't think they're that advanced. I think what people are doing is just doing what people have always done, acting without that much concern for the consequences because they don't have to deal with the consequences right now. It's like when you get up in the morning and you look at this, there's a cake

from last night that looks oh so delicious and it's right next to all your fresh vegetables that you were thinking about making a hemp protein shake with. I eat a lot of time to go for that cake. You know why? Because fuck it, it's right there you know I know it's bad for you I know it's sugar I know I'm gonna feel like shit later but right now I'm gonna feel good I'm gonna feel good when I eat that red velvet oh yummy yummy yummy and I think that's what these crazy fucks are doing you're not gonna do that if your intent is to you know lose two pounds by three days from now so you're gonna fuck you know you lose two pounds by three days from now. No, you're right.

So you're going to, you know, you need Adderall. I don't really go for the cake. I'm pretty healthy. But what I'm saying is it's an instinct. Well, it's a lower instinct. You're right. You know, it's based on the Peter Principle and all that shit.

What's the Peter Principle? Not Peter. What's that one? Penis Principle? No, what's that one? Penis Principle? No. What's that one? I can't think of it. Whatever can go wrong

will go wrong. Oh, okay. Whatever is that one? I can't remember. What is that called? But think. You know what I mean. Yes.

Maybe it's a generational thing. God damn it. You've broken my brain. I normally have that right there. But I think, well, you know what? It could, with a slight alter. Murphy's Law. Yeah, Murphy's Law.

Monsanto could fix Murphy's Law. I was confusing it with Moore's Law. I wonder, how could Monsanto do it? Monsanto could come up with a chip. Uh-huh, a chip. So you put it in people's head or teeth, wherever. Yeah, but you know what they would do with that chip? They would just fucking

download your brain and turn you into a robot. That's what they would do. Maybe people need to be turned into robots. The NSA came out today. There was an article that said the NSA has 100% access to iPhones. They can look at your camera, read your texts, listen to your microphone, like keep your microphone on even if your phone is off. Did you not know that?

Is that a surprise to people? That's 100% access? That's pretty fascinating. The thing about, and this is one of the reasons why our podcast is sponsored by Ting. Ting's a company that uses Android phones. Say, did you get an Android? Yeah. What I like about Android phones,

yeah, you got an Android. You can take the battery out so you can shut it off. Not saying that the government is really listening to you but the idea that that's possible that anybody could just turn your microphone on at any time or turn your camera on at any time to me sounds ridiculous but we know that the NSA has that capability if you have an android phone you just take the battery out you can't do that with an iphone iphone it's a weird a lot of weird shit about the iphone the memory is all in there you can't get it out the fucking the battery's in there you can't get it out. The fucking battery is in there.

You can't get it out. No access. You know, people are dying to make, you know, people are dying making those cell phones. Killing themselves. You know what's hilarious about that? I had this conversation with this guy who was trying. I have a friend, not a good friend, but this guy that I know that always tries to give me the Republican point of view on things. Like he's a sensible, logical guy.

You know, we were talking about this factory in China where people are jumping off the roofs. And he goes, well, do you know how many people are working at that factory? And I said, yeah, I guess like about half a million people or something crazy. And he goes, and if you look at the average population of a half a million people,

the amount of suicides is pretty standard. And I said, yeah, but they're killing themselves at work. How many fucking people kill themselves at work? Like, that's not standard. There's nothing standard about that. That's ridiculous. That concept is ridiculous. I call it idiotocracy.

It's like a fucking tower of bullshit. There's a lot of people that don't want to be silly, though. You know what I mean? They want to be sensible. Come on. But, you know, we have enough fact and data now that we can make informed decisions. We have enough stuff to make informed intelligence, intelligent decisions that work for the, you know, for everyone, not just the few at the expense of the many, but for everyone. And, you know, that I feel like, hey, you know, yeah, we're on our way out

and everything's fucked up and dying and over. But I think it's our karma to fucking do it right this time because, you know, helping each other and such, you know, trying to take a step back from needing so much and being more into sharing and new thoughts, new solutions, solution-based thinking and stuff. I think this is a great time for that. And we're really evolving into that.

And people can't back away from it anymore. So it's not over. Well, I think that, you know, I do think it's over for humans, for human life. I do. But I think that when people get that in their head, it's going to make them really mutate quickly and go, oh, my God, I better get right with my maker and actually start fucking doing some of the shit that I know is, you know, the right thing to do just because I'm a human being. Right? I think that's happening. I think that's happening as well. That's why I have hope. I think that's evident in what I read online. I mean, even points that I don't agree with.

The extreme left points, the extreme progressive positions, which a lot of times I don't take those positions. But I like the fact that those positions are really public now. What I like is how the left – I like to watch it on Twitter. You know, I like how the left like goes right for character assassination. But then, you know, that's what people do when they've lost the argument. Ad hominems. Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes it's their good points, though. It's good to consider how fucked up someone is before you listen to their point of view on something. If you know that they're kicking babies in their spare time, it's probably something to pay attention to. I know what you

mean though. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm just trying to say like, uh, just because somebody, you know, they're trying to, the real thing is, uh, that they want the monopoly of definition. That's what they're after. That's the real war. They, they want things to mean what they want. Yes. That's a very good statement. And they try to censor people who are saying something else. That's a very powerful statement, what you said, the monopoly of definition. That's so, so true. And how they try to censor the debate. In a free society, we have debate which has more than one opinion.

Yes. You're 100% right. Unlike Monsanto science, it's the same mental thing. It's a rigid ideology. Yeah. Unlike Monsanto science, it's the same mental thing. And, you know. It's a rigid ideology. Yeah, and it makes no sense. It doesn't apply data and fact as it doesn't directly apply data and fact. Well, it's also I think there's a lot of these people that are involved in both sides, whether it's the conservative movement for sure or the really progressive movement that are really just assholes that want to get heard.

No shit. They really just love giving their opinion and they love the attention that it creates, even if they have a point. Well, that's part of MKUltra mind control, you see. It is. I like how many times you use the word binary because it is a binary. And what MKUltra does is it's like these two groups, they're like, you know, they both work for the same people. They both get paid from the same people, the Democrats and the Republicans. And what they do is they try to monopolize the

definition so they can fundraise. And I say it's like the fundraising, those parties are the fundraising arm of the prison, military, media, wedding, industrial complex, you know. I mean, they just want to confuse people so that people vote against their own better judgment and their own best interests. And that's their strategy. That's their whole MKUltra strategy, how they get people to stop thinking that they deserve an answer and a solution for the tax monies they pay. That is what the Tea Party was originally about before it got waylaid by

punk-ass hoes. Well, isn't that what always happens, though? I mean, Occupy Wall Street, they said at one point in time, they think that happens though? I mean, Occupy Wall Street, they said at one point in time, they think that one out of three people in Occupy Wall Street was really like FBI. They're really like some undercover agents. They infiltrate. And doesn't that happen with everything? And it happened with the Tea Party as well. The people that thought that the Tea Party was like, look, we're going to demand a responsible government and a government that follows the constitution. Then all of a sudden these crazy fucks got involved in racism and nuttiness. What better way to diffuse a movement than to marginalize them by making them look ridiculous?

Well, they do send in their people. Of course. Always have, always will. The reason they do that is monopoly of definition again, and it is that then they can control their own opposition. And, you know, that works. That's how power does it. Well, that's what ideologies do too.

The monopoly of definition that you described, which is such a great phrase again. But that is the issue with the left. That's the issue with the right. That's the issue with having teams. It's like you decide that this is how we look at things and how we look at things is how they are. Well, the left does it for a certain reason, because that's how they fundraise out of like, like the left begs, like the Democrats beg for money. It's like we need three dollars by midnight. Have you got those? Have you got those emails? No, I'm not a part of that list.

And, you know, they're begging for money. And the Republicans, like, they beg for money too, but they demand it like they have the right to it because it's sovereignty that they're defending. But they're not. They're frigging yanking people to get their money. That's all they're doing. Both of them, they work together. They are a system of mind control that helps them move public money into private pockets. It's so fucking ridiculous.

I mean, I feel sorry for people that they have been so manipulated and, you know, all the time they're losing everything. Yeah. No, it's horrible. It is. It's a disgusting aspect of human beings and a weird thing. We're tribal people and I think ultimately we have that instinct to be a part of a group. And when people are part of that group, you see the group think is so strong, it's so prevalent.

I've had conversations with people about anything. I had a conversation with a guy who I, you know, before this conversation, I respected him online about abortion. Where Richard Dawkins had said that a fetus inside a woman's body is like less human than a pig is. You know, just as human as a pig. He needs to read that Dale Carnegie book. It was just a weird statement. And I tweeted, well, that's silly because everyone knows that a fetus can become a human being. All right?

That's the idea behind abortion. Like, you're being very disingenuous if you pretend that the idea behind abortion isn't that. What you're doing is you're stopping a potential human being. A pig is not. You're not going to stop. It's not going to become a person. It doesn't turn into a carriage or a fucking pumpkin. All right.

It's a pig. A fetus is a part of a person. That has nothing to do with a woman's right to choose. The woman's right to choose is a completely different stuff. So he starts calling me a Republican and saying like, you know, that I, I don't respect. Isn't this all about controlling a woman's body? Like, absolutely not. Well, they want you to say what they are saying.

Yes. They, they, they're a bunch of fucking, you know, right wing. And they want to diffuse anything that they are saying yes they they're a bunch of fucking you know right wing and they want to diffuse anything that you're saying that might be logical they're commies too there's a lot of that and their shit is like um you know you know it's just like it's gonna go my way or the highway we we don't allow you know to me it's like this we don't allow old women to open their fucking mouth in the general theater. Excuse me, bitch. That's what it feels like to me. So that's why I just go, well, you wait a minute. You know, wait a minute. Well, with this guy that I was talking to, I don't think it was that. I

think it was he was just following the ideology. You're always supposed to support a woman's right to choose. And you're always supposed to marginalize anything that would point to the idea of abortion being a bad thing. And I'm saying they're not mutually exclusive. Like, I think a woman should be able to do whatever she wants to do with her body. I can't control that. But it does get crazy when you're talking about aborting an eight-month-old fetus. I mean, at what point in time?

When does it get crazy? If it's not crazy when it's a group of cells, I agree. You're pulling out a group of cells. Is it crazy when it's that big? Is it crazy when it's that big? Is it crazy when it can exist outside your body? I mean, I don't know. But to say that this is not a discussion for debate. That's a huge subject and it needs a lot of debate. And you have to look at what's being censored. And there's a reason why it's being censored. People are uncomfortable with it. They're also uncomfortable with their decision that they want to be able to have an abortion.

And if you say, well, okay, you know you're killing a potential human being. Like, oh, no, no, no, I'm getting rid of some cells. Okay, at what point in time does it become a person? Because that's an actual conversation. I think that's a real conversation. I do, too. To pretend that it's not is a part of that whole ideology thing. It's a part of that thing where people...

Is your fucking phone going off? Yeah, it's probably my off? How dare you. Your kid's going, Mom, the CIA's at the house. Uh-oh, wait a minute. I just gotta sit. I'm on the radio. I'll call you. Are you okay? Ah! Alright, wait.

I told him I was going here. Anyway, sorry. It's also fucking stupid. And it has a simple solution. For people like me, we think different than other people. But we can see that there's a simple and much cheaper solution to all of these problems. If logic, data, and fact are applied. I think they are being applied now more than ever before. And that's why I have hope. And then also,

I think this idea of teams of Republican left wing Democrat or Democrat left wing Republican right wing, that's looking more and more silly every day, especially when you look at Obama. There's so many people that fucking support Obama and don't say a goddamn thing about the shit that he's done in comparison to the shit they were on Bush about. It's the same stuff. It is the same stuff. It's the same stuff, and all these liberals have proven to be massive cowards by not coming

out against him the way they came out against Bush on a million different things, debatable as they may be. You have to look at what happens to you when you do that. You know how it works. Twitter activism, as it's called. It's just character assassination. You ruin fucking people's lives because their opinion isn't in line with your sanctioned opinion that you were paid to get out there and lobby.

You know? I mean, seriously, people's lives are ruined if they stand up against power. Let's not forget that. Oh, for sure. Especially if it's a massive amount of power. He's after whistleblowers now. Isn't that fascinating that he, in his, the campaign website, there was a whole thing about giving whistleblowers relief and helping them expose injustices. And then they yanked all that shit out.

They knew what to say, though. They knew who to, they knew, you know, what it took. What do you think that is? Do you think that once you get into office, they just, they let you know what the real deal is? You can talk all that shit you want while you're campaigning, but once you get into office, then you find out what the fuck's up? You know, I think it's the system.

The system is what's corrupt. The people are just stuck in the system. I think if the system were changed, if, you know, and it would have to be changed by the people and the people's government, the people's application of their will that would result in accurate government, you know, for the people. I think, you know, I think without that, it'll continue to replicate no matter who's there because it's stupid and it doesn't work. It's fucking passe. It's obsolete. It's time for fucking, you know, to stop defending what's already fucking dead so you can yank people and get them to send you fucking money, you know?

I think we should just be done with money. Serious. We don't fucking need money. And you know what? People don't need gold either. They need water. So let's make water the new fucking currency or something. Let's move away from it.

It ain't that hard it's not that hard to create a fucking just economic money system it's still have rich fucking people too how do you have rich people if there's no money well you know you know you would have other means to create common wealth and so some people would accrue more than others. But wouldn't that be money? That would be another kind of money. No, not necessarily. I completely agree with you that the system is fucked.

And I think that patching it up is like taking a Windows 95 computer and trying to make it work in today's Internet and fucking adding a bunch of shit to it and tweaking it. It's a broken system. Throw it out and get a new one yeah and we're smart enough i mean we got enough smart fucking people that they can put something better together we could do a lot better in a big fat fucking hurry if we'd shut the fuck up and mind our own goddamn business stay home once in a while and you know clean up your own back fucking yard what do you think is the best example of a working government in this in this planet? Is there one country that really stands out as really having their shit together?

Norway or Sweden? It seems like I'm liking Iceland because I'm always like, where the fuck am I going to go? You know, because I always look around. But Iceland, yeah, because they, you know, dumped the Fed. And then they started arresting bankers and doing something different. And they got richer for doing it because they're not imposing a system of debt on people. They're doing something smarter. And I just have hope that that would happen here, because we could nationalize the Federal Reserve and solve all our problems. Let's save the dollar.

But I mean, nobody will friggin do it yeah i know i agree with you about iceland as well i think that is also if there's an example of one country that can do it those are people and so that's a better that's a clear example that you're what your statement is that the system is corrupt well that's proof right there because you're seeing a system that's not corrupt and the people are benefiting from it and it's a healthy society. People, everything will work just fucking fine. Yeah. Everything knows what it's supposed to do already if you just get the fucking people that are, you know, fucking it up out of the way.

And the best way to get them out of the way, in my opinion, is to remind them that they could rejoin the human race. They don't have to be on that other side in, you know, in that limbo exile thing that I know they live in because I've seen it. They could rejoin it and then fucking come up with a solution that actually works. It ain't that fucking hard. People are doing shit like grandmothers all over this world. They're fixing their community with a rubber band and a paper clip. It's not that fucking hard to have everything work well. The default position of the universe is the positive.

Everything fucking already knows what to do, except for, you know, criminals at the top, a small group of criminals at the top. I think you're 100% right. And I think that I liken our society to that of like an alcoholic's personality, like someone who's trapped in a terrible pattern and keeps repeating the same problems over and over again and drinking and driving and, you know, just

fucking killing their body. I think that that probably is how our society is, that we've got addicted to the idea of extracting money out of this broken system to the point where people are so addicted to money and so addicted to the benefits of having it that they're not willing to say, hey, you know, I'm a part of something that's ultimately destructive, even to me. Yeah. And to my children. Well, it's that gambling mentality. People think they're, if people think they're getting something for nothing, that's like the greatest frigging drug they got, you know.

Yeah, they like getting over. And, you know, they disguise what it is, but it's thinking you're going to get more than everybody else. That's so true. They love, people love getting over. Don't they? They just love it. They love getting over. I have a friend that will like try to get bargains on fucking everything.

And I'm like, dude, you have money. Like, why are you haggling over, you know, an extra $20 off of something or $5 off or whatever the fuck it is? He goes, I like getting over. I just like getting over. He goes, if I could get it for free, I'd want to get it for free. Like people want to get things for free, and they're rich. Yeah, they do.

They want that thrill of figuring out how to do it. I'll tell you, I got rich, so I know firsthand how it works on you. I know exactly how it works on you. I'm sure. Yeah, well, it works on you. It does. Until there's, you know, there's nothing left of you. Mm-hmm.

And that's a hard thing. That's hard when you can't fucking stomach it no more. But then you can go, oh, I'm going to not do that no more. With you, was it hard going from not having money to being one of the richest women in the history of Hollywood over a period? Or the world, the history of the world. Over a period of how many years? Three years. That's insane. that's insane it was a it was fucking cha-ching right away it was like when i first came to la my first night there like they

saw me that i got a tv show the first night there then i got the tonight. Then I got a Julio Iglesias tour that was 10 times the money my husband worked at the post office ever made. So, you know, I mean, it was cha-ching right from the get-go in L.A., dream come true, you know. Wow. And you were one of the old-school comedy store gangsters, too. You came up in the era where things were probably one of the most powerful eras in the history of stand-up comedy if you go back and look at like the origins from Lenny Bruce to Carlin to what have you your era of the comedy store is one of the most powerful eras ever yeah it is but there was one that preceded me that that was the one where um you know they had The Strike and all the comics. I mean, there was like David Steinberg and, you know, those guys.

They're like in their 70s or late 70s now. But a whole bunch of guys like that. Oh, God, I'm so bad on names I'm embarrassed. But, you know, a whole Elaine Boosler just a little bit before me. They were the ones that created Broke Down. So they did great work. Yeah, for folks who don't know, the way L.A. works is for the longest time, nobody got paid. You would go up and you would do spots, and the clubs would be packed every night, and the comedians would be starving to death,

especially the local ones that are just sort of starting out. But they would be providing all this this entertainment, but not sharing in any of the profit. And the comedy clubs weren't willing to budge. They were like, look, this is the way it is. There was a book that's written on it. Right. Ari Shaffir was reading it recently.

I forget what it's called. See if you can find that, Jamie. But the the strike itself was was very important. And now comedians get paid for their sets. Yeah. It's kind of weird that they would think that it would be okay to have people perform, and you profit off them performing, but you keep all the money. Well, we saw that in Denver, too.

We had a little club there, and everybody worked for free. And the owners, like like start buying second homes and you know. Yeah, I'm dying up here. That's the name of the book. Oh, yeah, I have that. You know, when you see the owner who's another comic and he's buying a second house and

adding on to the club, you're like and he's still doing time on he's still working the club. You know, I mean. Yeah, they think they're doing you some good by letting you perform. That's what they said to us. But we're like, you know what, you're going to pay. And because they won in L.A., they did.

So it went all across, you know, it went all across the country, the ripple of that. Yeah, the idea behind it is pretty fucking gross. And, you know, just because the comics are benefiting from it, what, you're not? That is your whole business. Well, that's profit sharing again and commonwealth and all that same stuff. And any club owner that would do that is a piece of shit. Any club owner that wouldn't want to compensate the comedians that are performing for them and actually think that you're going to get them to work for free while you have your place packed every fucking night,

that's disgusting. They're going to get a lot out of it. They're going to get famous. Well, that's like all artists in Hollywood, though. I mean, anybody who can put two words together, you know,

they'd rather not pay you a dime. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, writers, musicians, songwriters, you know, they want to own

everything now. They got their copyright laws. They want to own everything. Some people do, yeah. But there's, you know, one of the beautiful things about small clubs that I've always loved, like, you know, Some people do, yeah. But there's one of the beautiful things about small clubs that I've always loved,

like if I do like Zany's in Nashville or something like that, it's like the club owners, if you go to these places, like they actually like the art form. It's a good exchange. They enjoy it, you know. They enjoy the idea of having performers

on their stage and the people have a good time and that their business flourishes. They're happy to pay you. Well, you know, there's a lot of great comics out there getting old now and, you know, they don't have any money. And there's a, you know, a bunch of shit like that. They gave their whole lives for comedy and they didn't get rich like I did, you know, and a few of us. But they're just, you know, they're great writers, great comics.

But, you know, you get broke down by that system like all artists and creative people do. Well, I think with a lot of these guys, too, though, they're also very woe is me. There's quite a few of those guys that never figured out social media. They never figured out how to promote themselves. They stop writing new material. And then they feel like, I've been doing stand-up for 30 years and I can't sell at a club. Well, what did you do? I mean, like, what did you do with your time?

Like, how much of your time did you actually invest in continuing your career? How much of your time did you actually invest in writing? And how much did you just think that it was just due to you because you've been around for 30 years? It's ridiculous. I thought it was just due to me. You sound like my representatives now. Well, for you, you know, you, I've said it before the show, but I'll say it afterwards so other people could hear. We were talking recently about 10 of the most influential comedians of all time, and you were on our list.

Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. It's 100% true. It's an honor to have you on the show, in fact. I think that you came along and you were this new type of woman stand-up. In a lot of ways, even more powerful than Kinison was as a male stand-up. Yeah. You came along and you had this whole new thing going on. You were a woman who didn't give a fuck. You don't give a fuck what anybody says.

You're going to fucking tell them. And you're going to say, like, shut the fuck up. This is what I feel. This is my fucking husband. And you were slaying with this material because nobody had ever seen that before i remember i think it was my mom who told me about you i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure it was my mom because uh my my mom she likes is she in her 60s yes yeah and she liked stand-up and uh i think she was almost positive it was her but she's like you gotta see this woman oh my god

she made me laugh like no woman has ever made me laugh before but that statement like it was her, but she's like, you gotta see this woman. Oh my God. She made me laugh. Like no woman has ever made me laugh before. But that statement, like it was a different kind of a thing. Like she said it that way. I mean, she was just, just trying to say how much she enjoyed it. But that was a true statement. Like she made you laugh in a way that you never laughed at a woman comic before. You just, you owned it where a lot of these women who came before you, although they were very funny, they wanted people to like them. Yeah. And you were like, fuck you. Yeah, I was. I learned it.

I mean, you know, I learned it on stage. I'll tell you, I did learn a lot of it from my dad because my dad was just like that. He was like one of the funniest ones ever. Really? Yeah, but he had to get a job, you know, because he had kids. Wow. But he did some funny, funny shit. Where did he do stand-up?

Nowhere. Nowhere. Just in the house. When people called and stuff. Because we always had the Mormons. We lived in Salt Lake, and the Mormons always came to our house to teach us about, you know, the Book of Mormon. And my mom was a nice woman, so she always let them in. And I guess she wanted somebody to talk to or whatever.

Plus, they were handsome as hell. And my mom's like that, you know. She's the pretty girl always. So she's like, when she was 70, she's like, I can still get a man. Whoa. Any man. Whoa. That's why I'm so neurotic.

But anyway, so she'd invite him in. And so my dad, he didn't like him because he was an atheist. So he used to go down in the basement and scream up. The better thing he did was when they knock on the door after they'd been there a couple times, he goes, Mrs. Barr in. And he goes, Mrs. Barr. Mrs. Barr is in jail for 28 days we have nothing to discuss

i mean he'd do it and we us kids are just we'd be peeing our pants it's so funny so he would just do that to fuck with people to entertain he had like the heart of a stand-up right yeah plus his lines were pretty good too yeah Yeah, he was funny. My whole family was funny. It was all slams. Everybody was slamming everybody. I got the first slam when I was four. My Uncle Sherman was sitting there eating my grandma's soup.

And he always called her a greenhorn and stuff because she was an immigrant. So he's like, you know, in America they don't put an inch of chicken fat on top of their soup you know and i was like four and i was just like he's talking about my grandma and i really want to film this too because i i felt like wonder woman and i knew i was going to deliver the line it came to me and i was going to do it you know that thing you get when you comic yeah and i'm like then how come you eat two bowls of it? Boom. And everyone laughed, and he got really pissed.

And I was only four, but he got pissed. So then I was like, oh, boy. I can own this room. So you remember the first time you ever killed? Yeah, I do. I do. I remember every second of it. You just knocked out of the park with a line,

and you had the feeling that you get when you go on stage and you have an idea. Yeah, because he was fat, and no one could say he was fat. They couldn't say, hey, you're a tub or anything like that to him because he was sensitive, but he was a bully. Like a lot of fat people are bullies, you know. They're not all jolly. Well, there's a lot of fat people that are uncomfortable, right? Yeah, whatever, but they're mean, and he's one of them.

So I was like, you're eating too much. Boom! It was like double, and I knew it was fucking double, too, because it was like I was penetrating the shield of bullshit, but we don't tell him he fucking is a big fat pig. That's where all the best comedy lies.

Oh, it's so fun. A missile, a hellfire missile that penetrates the shield of bullshit. But the bad thing is when you are like that, like me and my dad giving it back, then you have kids and they give it to you and god damn that's awful. My kid already gives it to me. How old? I have a five and a three. The five-year-old is already like talking shit.

It's hilarious. It's so your karma. Yeah. It's totally. I told her she had to go to bed. She goes, why? I don't have a job. Ah! Love. She just looked at me. Because I always say, daddy has to get up in the morning. Daddy has a job. I got to go to sleep soon. So when I tell her she got to go to sleep, she was like, why? I don't have a job. Just looking at me. I was like, oh, snap. This is before she was even going to sleep. She was like, why? I don't have a job. Bing. Just looking at me, I was like, oh, snap. This is before she was even going to preschool. She was like four when she said that. Isn't that great? I know it's happening.

I know it's coming. Yeah, you'll get it. You know what? No parent escapes their karma. No parent escapes it. I enjoy it. I want her to be strong. I want her to have her own opinions.

I mean, arguing about whether or not she should have to go to bed is the beginning of arguing whether or not she should have a terrible job. Arguing whether she should have an existence that she doesn't enjoy. Whether she should be in a relationship that she thinks sucks. That's right. What did you say to her when she said that? I said, you got a good point. I said, yeah. Did you make her go to bed?

No, no. I made her watch one more half hour of Max and Ruby and then go to bed. Gave her another 30 minutes of work. That line deserves some reward. I didn't tell her that the line deserves reward because I didn't want her to be encouraged to continue it. But I just had to explain it to her. I said, it's so important when you're young to get your sleep. I go, because you're a growing organism.

So I tried to explain. I showed her some pictures when she was a baby. I go, because you're a growing organism. So I try to explain. I showed her some pictures when she was a baby. I said, you see what you look like now? You don't look like that anymore? That's all from sleep. That sleep turns you from a baby into this four-year-old girl who can talk to me. She's like, really?

I go, yep. I go, it's thinking and it's learning. That's all important too, but sleep is big. It's really important. I go, but it's not going to hurt you if you watch one more show. So we'll watch more you're like a good dad it's so it's so important that girls have a good dad that they can talk to really girls need that more than anything i think so and it's important for a guy to have a good mom yeah you know you know i thought of something

funny my dad said i we were jews you know in salt lake and so i was always like how come santa doesn't come to our house i was like i was about eight maybe six how come how come santa doesn't come over our house because santa is an anti-semite it was so funny horrible thing for a kid to hear. But I knew it was hilarious. Right. You already knew him. Yeah. You enjoyed it.

Yeah, I loved that dark. So you were like raised to be a comic, essentially. Yeah, he kind of did. He used to watch Ed Sullivan with me, you know, and he'd go, this guy is, he's a comic. He says, you know, he goes, this guy's a comedian. He says things funny. This guy's a comic. He says, you know, he goes, this guy's a comedian. He says things funny. This guy's a comic. He says funny things.

He told me, he broke it all down for me. He goes, this guy is actively resisting. This guy is a resistor. This guy is a what do you call it where you collude. Because he was, you know, he was like a big fucking commie.

Your dad was a big commie? Yeah. Fight the man. Well, you know, he grew up during the McCarthy era. Yeah. Which, I mean, you wanted to be a commie because you didn't want to be the fucking government. You thought that was the opposite side.

When you got these people that are getting arrested because they went to a meeting and talked to people about socialism. So they're getting arrested and they're getting blacklisted from Hollywood. They're getting their fucking jobs taken away from them for going to meetings and talking to people about ideas that they might not even agree with anymore.

Especially about unions or anything. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's like that blacklisting thing. And the left joins in on it, if you'll notice. The left joins in on the, like, I was pretty shocked that they were coming after, you know, the times that they've come after me. What have they come after you about that you didn't understand? You know, a couple times I've said stupid things.

Like what? Oh, I'm not getting into it. You're not getting into it? Why would I do that? Just as an example, so if people don't know that are listening to this, they would like to know, like, what you mean by that. Well. Because me, I don't know. I got in a fight with the transgenders

oh the transgenders what was it about not all of them i've been in arguments not not all of them the majority of them are are nice wonderful people they really are and i know a lot of them but you know assholes are in every group what you were talking about tribalism here's another thing i want to say when they pervert tribal, and here's what they do, too, they make you defend everybody who's like you, but that's not good because you're keeping the predator right there. Sure. Because the predator is the one every group should be against.

It's time to rid every community, every type, every street of predators who, like, aid people people, taking people's money, taking public money and putting it in private pockets. Right? Yes, I agree 100%. Saying that all people of this nationality, those are my people, or all people of this gender, those are my people, or all people that are transgender are my people. Right. It's all equally ridiculous. Right.

Everybody's got assholes in their group. Just be anti-asshole. What did you— And we's all equally ridiculous. Right. Everybody's got assholes in their group. Just be anti-asshole. What did you... And we'll all be okay. I could not agree more. And that has always been my problem with the idea of feminism. You know, like,

I'm 100% for equality. I'm for... And I think that we should look down on men who are abusing women the same way we look down on women who are abusing men, the same way we look at men abusing men, the same way we look at women abusing women.

Right, absolutely. It's a gross thing that humans do where they victimize each other. That's exactly right, and there should be one fucking way to go, one law for everybody that gets rid of all that rest of that shit. It's just fundraising again. These fucking people, they're fundraising. Well, it could be that. It's also the need to be, you know, you're not on my team. Fuck you.

There's people that are on, like, Team AT&T. Why are you going with Verizon? Oh, you're using a Windows computer. You pussy. You need to get a Mac. You know, people are crazy. They're crazy with that. Well, they're getting paid to do that, though. It's a natural instinct. Oh, they absolutely do. Well, some do, I guess.

I think almost all do. Oh, they absolutely do. Well, some do, I guess. I think almost all do. There's fucking Chevy people that have a car. They have that Calvin and Hobbes of Calvin pissing on a Ford logo because they don't like Ford because I like Chevy. People are retarded. They just go with these stupid teams.

I'm from fucking Milwaukee. We don't give a fuck about people from Chicago. That's a statement that a person in Milwaukee is likely to say if you bring up Chicago. It's that patch mentality, but that's what's being taught. It's being taught. It's natural. I don't even think it's being taught. I don't.

I'm not going to agree with you now. Here's what we're going to talk. This is why I don't have any hope. You do have hope. I do, but I have a different kind of hope because my hope's based on my hope in other human beings. As is mine. As is mine.

I don't have like any umbrella of fucking hope that the right thing is going to happen because people are fucking stupid. That's what they are. A lot. They're stupid and they're followers. And they are too busy to think. But they're also beautiful and brilliant. The reason why we're having this conversation at all is because someone figured out a way to put all this electronic shit into this tube that's only like six inches long. And then it's attached to this wire that's attached to a fucking computer that blasts through to the internet. But no, this is a distribution vehicle for information that I would have never been able to figure out on my own.

Okay, wait a minute. I want to say, you're changing the subject. I want to say this. I don't believe that people are fucked up. I don't believe that they have that they are slaves to their worst impulses. I don't. I think some are more. But I think the majority of people are not like that.

I think the majority of people are actually good, but they are the people kept away from the seats of power. actually good, but they are the people kept away from the seats of power. And if we could just get one of them somewhere, anywhere, Yemen, anywhere, one of them will change everything. Just one intelligent person. I think one intelligent person can reach all intelligence, even in the greediest, lowest, backward bastard on earth. I think you're 100% right. I also think that that noise is going to drive people crazy. What is that? Is that you banging on this thing?

No, it's someone next door. Is it someone next door? What are they doing? They making something? Oh, okay. They're hiding their bodies. That's loud as fuck. They probably are listening to the podcast and they hate me.

Yeah, they probably hate me too. So they're fucking banging on my door Because they know it's next door Maybe they have cake Maybe it's the CIA setting up a listening station Do you know how many good people there are in our government? People report this to me I just want to say this too People, they do report to me

That there are good people everywhere I'm sure And there's good people in our government, and they're like right now, they're proving that because they had solutions that made common sense to people, they're being promoted and getting closer to, you know, logical seats of power.

So I think that's good too. Well, I think that this is what I was saying when I think that's good too. Well, I think that this is what I was saying when I think that the internet and that the transparency of information that we have today is going to sort of reinforce those ideas. If you're going to represent people, you have to represent them in a way that benefits the people. And that's possible. It's possible to do. So we're both on the same page. You're just a little more extreme than me. Me? Yeah. I'm just older. With chemtrails and stuff and MKUltra and aliens. I'm not. That's where you draw the line.

I think maybe, I think there might be, I think there might be. Robots? I think the news might all be manufactured. Oh, that's pretty sure. In a studio. And they probably have lookalikes playing the part. Really? Oh, you take it way too far.

Fuck yeah, wag the dog. Did you see Wag the Dog? Yes, I did. And that was a long time ago, by the way. Yeah, of course it was. Before they had the kind of CGI that they have today. Right. Well, I think they definitely faked some stuff.

The CIA printed in the paper during the beginning of the Iraq invasion that they were going to release fake stories. It was on CNN. Yeah. They were going to release fake stories for the good of, you know, the troops or whatever the fuck it was. You know, like, that's it. When you're admitting that you're faking the news. Do you think 9-1-1 was them destroying their records? That's what people who believe the Tower 7 thing was.

The Tower 7 confusion or conspiracy, rather, is that there was so much evidence inside that building that could have fucked them. Bank stuff. Enron. Enron stuff. And there was the CIA had offices in that building. The NSA had offices in that building. That building was a crazy fucking building of information and shit. You think that was the blackmail center maybe? I don't know what the fuck it was, but I know that that building imploded like it was detonated. Yeah, it looks that way. Those other two buildings to me look like buildings that got hit by a plane and horrible structural damage and everything fell. Because they fell the way something would fall if it was collapsing and falling apart.

That Tower 7 thing fell like it was a controlled demolition. Now, obviously, I'm not an engineer, nor am I an architect or a construction expert. I am. I don't know if a fire could make a building do that. It might be able to because, look, things are weird. It's weird to be able to detonate a building in the first place. It's weird when you see, you know, sometimes shit happens. Sometimes things don't go the way you would think they would go.

I've heard so many people's theories of what they think it is. It's like people are swimming in theories. Yeah, well, it's one of those things. It's also so enticing to believe that Tower 7 was the place where they were holding all this information and they detonated it in front of everybody's eyes on television. Like, holy shit, they got away with it. Because it's,

you know, if you were inclined to lean towards that, that would be one of the possibilities. The reality is, I don't know. I knew it was, here's what I got out of it. Okay, that would be one of the possibilities. The reality is I don't know. I knew it was – here's what I got out of it. Okay. Here, we can watch it. Let's watch it fall. Okay.

Look at that. Watch it again. Play that again because it's – anybody that says it's not weird is hilarious. Is that seven? Whatever it is, it's free fall speed. That's one of the things that they did prove. And they tried to argue it, which is hilarious. Is that seven? Whatever it is, it's free fall speed. That's one of the things that they did prove. And they tried to argue it, which is hilarious. The NIST guys tried to argue that it wasn't free fall speed.

They tried to say that it was like a second slower than free fall speed. Like, you're talking about the collapse of a building. Like, even if it was a second slower than free fall speed, that's fucking crazy. That thing just imploded into its own base. Watch it one more time. Look at that. Look how it does that. Anybody that doesn't think that's nuts, you're nuts.

That's the set. Yeah. You know how when they go like this on the side and they take it down? Yeah, the set on the screen, or screen or a stage rather for a play people except for you know the people who survived it on the streets the horror of that that's that's really what it was about i thought but also the thing i knew it was the fucking end of the world when i seen it because it was like i couldn't believe it because all these guys in suits they they were lined up on the sides of the roads and they

were applauding for the firemen and the workers who do the actual work. And they were like handing them water. And I went, this is the fucking end of the world. Americans are actually like applauding the way things actually work. The guys in the suits were actually applauding the first responders and stuff. And I thought, this has got to be the, this is the end of the bullshit. Because the bullshit met the touch, you know, the, what do they say, meets the road. Yeah. Do you remember those days, like right after 9-11?

Oh, yeah. Those are crazy days. There's a weird feeling in the air, wasn't it? It was like, there was also a weird camaraderie between Americans. Like, everywhere you go, everybody had American flags on their cars. It was nuts. But it was for the right stuff at first. It was like they were taking, you know, they were bringing water and they were bringing supplies. And it was like, we're going to fucking, we're going, it was like really amazing because it's like we're gonna win out of goodness and that's how it felt then and it was like it was you know that people were like they were so good

and they were so caring and they were coming together against a common uh you know foe yeah and the the love of the first responders too that was was a big thing when I was in New York in 2002 and I couldn't believe how Nice people were being the cops and firemen like yeah yelling out to him waving to him honking their horns Saying we love you. Just it was crazy It was like you could feel the tangible result of them realizing like wow Like we're in a situation where we were we got Like, and these are the people that saved people. And, you know, there's this weird feeling of mortality now and a real respect. But people in New York, when I was driving down the street, because I'm always watching people, you know,

and I was watching people walking down the street after that for quite some time, maybe six months. A few times I checked it. They were actually making eye contact with other people and smiling. Yeah. And then like a few years later, you know, after the Bush, the whole thing, there they were back to just the looking straight down thing and avoiding eye contact. But it was like, wow, that was a mind meld going on. It was like a positive love mind meld thing.

Yeah. It only lasted for a little while, right? Like how long did it last? Last like a few years? It lasted, like, a few years. It lasted until Bush got up there and, you know, did that act. You know that sketch? Yeah. The one where he went on the boat and said...

Mission accomplished. Yeah. I think people also realized that this was... that the powers that be had capitalized on all this, you know, this sort of patriotism and all this enthusiasm that America had for revenge. Yeah, first thing they cut the benefits of the first responders. Wall Street.

It's like, wow. That's why I thought, well, did Wall Street do it, do you think? What, 9-11? Uh-huh. I think that 9-11 more likely than not was the result of a bunch of terrorists that attacked America and why did they do it most likely because of what America's been doing overseas you know we create enemies we do it from the beginning we've done it from the beginning of time

every nation that's been in power has always tried to steal the natural resources of other nations as I've always tried to influence the governments of other nations and there's a to influence the governments of other nations. And there's a blowback from that shit. You know, the people think that they know that was the most embarrassing and enraging thing about what the Bush administration, the way they would flavor it. They hate us for our freedom. Like he actually fucking said that on TV once. They hate us for our freedom.

But who is he talking to? He's talking about the terrorists. No, he's talking to the people he represents, which are the investor classes. He said it himself. And people do hate their freedom because it's their freedom to be predators. I think he was talking to the Duck Dynasty fans. They were fucking stupid and they were rah-rah and they didn't want to put any thought to it. He hate us for our freedom.

And they're like, yeah, let's go fuck into Iraq and kick some ass. That's what he was doing. I think he was just patronizing knuckleheads and this idea that somehow or another people wouldn't like that people are having a good time somewhere, so they're willing to kill themselves by flying fucking planes into buildings. It's insulting. Well, I mean, that's one way of looking at it.

You know, I've heard a lot of opinion another being jesus you know now what what has happened all over the world is now happening in our country you know yeah you know there was a lot of that or people were like well you know this this can't happen here or anywhere else yeah so you, they got to go win over there so they don't come here thing. But it's that weird feeling that people have years later after the fact that not only have we not capitalized on the situation and used it as the potential

to sort of rectify some of the problems that we have, but instead we ruined the way the rest of the world looks at America. We destroyed all the goodwill, all the praise and happiness that people had for America, responding to this horrible tragedy, all the love that people had sent to America from all across the world. Within five, six years, America had become the great Satan again. Half the fucking world. Yeah, they squandered it.

They capitalized on it. That's the big thing. They capitalized on it. Well, those people, they get their money off the top, you know. Yeah. And then they sell the weapons. They get their money. They're not around when the wars start.

When we go back and— People have to get smart and hip to that shit and just go, you know what? We're not going to—you know what we're going to do? We're going to do what we did after 9-1-1. We're going to, like, do the right thing and the good thing for each other. We're not going to do what you fucking— you know, we're not going to be tools in your useless, obsolete wars where you make the stock markets go up because poverty increased amongst workers in the world. That's not going to happen anymore. I think that's slowly happening.

Yeah, I do, too. So you agree everything's going to be okay. I think that's slowly happening. Yeah, I do too. So you agree? Everything's going to be okay? I do agree. I also agree, and my daughter says, oh mother, just because you're getting old enough to die doesn't mean the entire world has to die with you. That's what baby boomers think, because you guys are so

fucking narcissistic. Not only have you ridden the world and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, maybe it is. Maybe it's because I'm getting old. But boy, I'd like to see a big fucking dent in the bullshit machine, this bullshit system. I think we've already had a big dent. We just haven't realized it yet. What I was going to say is that when we look back in history and we look at the Iraq war and they find out that a guy who's a CEO of Halliburton somehow or another got to be the vice president of the United States,

who went into a war under dubious pretenses that there's some weapons of mass destruction in some asshole's shitty fucking country in the middle of nowhere. A million people die. When they look at the profits that were distributed to Halliburton and all these different companies that profited from the rebuilding, it's going to be so fucking transparent. When they stop and they step back and they look at it.

And then I think the other thing is going to be this Edward Snowden thing. Well, did you know that they just made it possible for the survivors of the 9-1-1 victims to sue Saudi Arabia? That just passed last week. Did you know that? No, I did not know that.

So there's a big admission for people to look at. People need to read about that. Well, the Saudis, the hostages were, or excuse me, the hijackers were Saudis, most of them, right? But aren't they the ones who did it? I mean, they're dead. Well, people say, other people say that it was just a regular move of empire, you know, the whole banking empire that runs through the whole thing. That they set it up.

Yeah. That they did it. Theater. Doesn't that seem like that would be a really fucking difficult thing to arrange and that would be really hard to pull off? What? Pull off getting people to commit suicide by flying planes into buildings. Oh, you mean getting operatives?

Getting people to do that. Getting people to commit suicide by taking over a plane and flying them right into a building. It's easy if you give them enough whores and drugs and money and then set their family up. People will do it. I think it's incredibly difficult to arrange that, plan that, execute that. Well, what are you saying then? I'm saying that I think that some— You don't think Saudi Arabia had anything to do with it? What are you saying?? I'm saying that I think that Saudi Arabia had anything to do

with it. What are you saying? Oh, no, no, they certainly did. I think that the idea that the bankers organized it and set it up in order to rob people or that the government set it up in order to use it as a pretense to invade Iraq. I think it's much more likely that they capitalized on a situation and looked for an opening that they had been looking for in the first place. Seems like they were practicing it for a while. Always have been. Always have been, always will be. You know, they're always... Seems like they're all connected.

Who's all connected? All the people who do that kind of stuff all around the world. You know, they're arms merchants and, you know, they're operatives. Well, there's certainly people that are connected like that all around the world. There's certainly people that profit from war all around the world. I think much more likely, though, this is the consequence of our actions overseas. Well, people say that, but I'm not sure. Other people say it was Silverstein getting a frigging insurance payout.

That makes a lot more sense to me. About Tower 7 as well, right? That was the thing that he said, pull it. Yeah. He told them to pull it. It's like it's the whole thing. You know, you have to burn your building down to get the insurance money. It wasn't getting rented.

Yeah. No, that's true. I mean, look, that is something we've seen on smaller levels, you know. Yeah. We've seen it on lower levels. Homeowners light their house on fire. There was a guy recently who was indicted for murder because he opened up his gas

line and then set a timer and for a spark to go off. But he had no idea how much of an explosion it'd create. And he blew up the neighbor's house, too, and killed a couple people. I mean, it's just some crazy asshole that wanted some money and wanted to become a murderer.

If they don't lie, here's how they fix the world. I don't know. No, I do. They have to get rid of insurance because it's the biggest, it's just a fucking scam, especially life insurance. It's gambling. You're going to fucking die. You don't need to have an insurance policy saying you're not, you know, because you are.

So already it's a fucking scam. And everything in this country is like run by insurance, hack insurance salesmen, basically a bunch of guys that used to be in prison. And then, you know, they couldn't get a real fucking job. So they started in insurance sales. So a guy like Larry Silverstein, who would have, in the conspiracy model, paid to have those buildings destroyed, he would have no incentive to do that because he couldn't be able to get money from it. So it would stop things like that from happening. Well, I'm not saying that.

I'm saying people are saying that. I'm saying these are things I've heard. Of course. Well, if you go on those fucking conspiracy websites. All of them are equal. They all make as much sense as the other thing. No, I don't think they make as much sense. I think that there's a lot of chaos in horrible tragedies.

And a lot of people look for order in that chaos. And one of the things they look for is conspiracy. I think it's a natural thing. I don't think it's any conspiracy that a bunch of rich guys who own everything on earth get together and fucking hang out. That's true. That's not any conspiracy. And they do. They all fucking know each other.

They have Carlisle groups, the whole thing. They know what they're doing. And they make money from the shit they set up, like going to the roulette wheel. I'm going to bet red on 22. Well, here's another thing that someone said that I've repeated. I wish I could credit the original person, but it might actually have been us when we were stoned as fuck. I don't even remember.

But the original quote was that September 11th, when people talk about conspiracy theories, that's one of the big ones. Yeah. And people always go, what do you think about September 11th? I always ask people, do you believe that September 11th happened go, do you believe, what do you think about September 11th? I always ask people, do you believe that September 11th happened?

And they're like, what do you mean? I'm like, do you believe that planes were, were hijacked and they flew them into buildings and they killed a bunch of people? Do you believe that that happened? And most people say yes.

And I say, well then you believe in conspiracies because they conspired to do that. That had to be a conspiracy. The only way you get planes to fly into buildings. Have you seen that footage where they show it's fake? Where they show it's all fake? Have you seen that? See, that's probably CIA shit right there.

That's probably to diffuse the architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth and people along those lines that are asking for answers. Because even if they're wrong, they're still stirring the pot so much that it makes it hot for anybody who's in public office. That's right. It makes it difficult. So this is a natural inclination. What about the Kennedy assassination? I mean, that's the other conspiracy that everybody talks about.

That's a fascinating one that people have been wanting more and more lately to pin on Lee Harvey Oswald as being the lone gunman. And I think that's hilarious because it's... I thought people were moving away from that. No, no, no, no. There's a lot of people. What was that guy that wrote that book? Vincent Bugliosi, however you say his last name, wrote a book called Case Closed, which is fucking retarded. It's not closed at all. The idea that there's a lot of people that were witness to that, that wound up murdered, wound up dying in very strange ways.

More than 100 over 10 years. And they said that the odds of those people all dying like that was some fucking astronomical number. It's fascinating to follow it. Yeah, it is. All these years. I remember I was in about the fifth grade when they came in and they said, we're letting school out early on account of our president has just been shot. That was freaky.

That's one of those you never forget where you were moments, right? I was so mad because that night I was having my first slumber party. And we were going to watch Nightmare Theater of the scary movies. And there's only like three channels. And it was all about the president. So they preempted all the scary movies. So I just canceled my party. That sucks because back then you'd have a VCR, didn't have anything.

You had to deal with it. And it was the movie I wanted to see too. It was that one about the Klaitu Barada Nikto. Oh, yeah, yeah. What the fuck was that? The guy with the spaceship and came from outer space? Is that what it is? Yeah.

Was that it? Yeah. It wasn't War of Worlds, was it? Was it War of Worlds? War of Worlds? It was War of Worlds, I think. Remember that Claytube Barada Nikto? Yeah.

I wanted to say that when I was running for president so bad on stage. How many War of Worlds have there been? Is it the 2005 one, which was meh? No, that was no. This one really fooled people. Yeah, it was a long time ago. They were screaming, running in the streets, and they thought we really had been invaded. They say they're going to do another one like that, a fake alien invasion movie,

and project it onto the stuff that is in the chemtrails and that people are going to see a false and artificial reality right before their eyes. Jamie's got it. The Day the Earth Stood Still. That was it. That was awesome. I watched that the other day, actually. Did you hear what I just said, though?

Yes, I did. Because people are programmed in America that they can't hear that. They can't hear it. Do you think that they can't hear that. They can't hear it. Do you think that they would actually do that? If it was something like War of Worlds type thing again, remember when Orson Welles did that on the radio and freaked the population out? You would get sued if you did something like that today, wouldn't you? If you had a fake news story and people started committing suicide because they thought the aliens were attacking. Well, they say they're going to do it to get people to run to the FEMA camps.

That's what they say. That's what they say. They do. Because that'll be the only place where there's water and food. So they'll go. I have one piece of advice. Whoever they are, don't listen to them anymore. They're telling you some crazy shit.

It's all they. That's what they say. That's what they say. But you have you heard these things. Fake aliens to get to the FEMA camps. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I'll tell you what doesn't make any sense. You can't get a fucking straight answer anywhere on the internet.

It's all fucking bullshit on both sides. Where's the real news? Well, here's the problem with the whole FEMA camp thing. What? Here's the number one problem. You got to feed those fucking people. You got to take care of them. You're either going to kill them, which costs money because you're going to have to get rid of the bodies and shoot them and all that shit.

And then they're not going to contribute any money to the tax dollars anymore. That's what I thought was crazy. That's what I said. You don't lock up your own tax base and yet that's what they're doing. They're locking everybody up for pot. Stop and think about who they're really locking up though. Yeah, the young kids that'll work. There's a little bit of that, but there's also they're profiting off of putting people in prison.

A lot of them young black men. And they're putting people that are a part of this disenfranchised system. Yeah, and Latino. And working class. And they're profiting off of them. They're just using them to make profit. But they're not taking the biggest, baddest tax donators in the world. They're not doing that.

They're going after people that are in poverty. That's why. Because those people oftentimes aren't contributing to the system as far as tax money anyway. They might buy like sales tax and things along those lines, but they're probably not making enough money declared to pay a significant amount of income tax. Well, you mean there's nothing left to be robbed? Yes. Well, they're also, they've got a fucking terrible roll of the dice by life. They start out in massive debt from the jump because they're born into some terrible society. They're born into a horrible neighborhood, terrible parents, terrible crime-filled streets around there.

Well, it's a system that exploits the many for the benefit of the few. It certainly is. But that could easily be changed. I mean, it could be changed by some people have some fucking brains in their head that go, geez, I don't want to have to live on top of a mountain behind 18 sets of gates. Right, right, right. You know, right?

Yeah. I don't want to have to helicopter over to fucking, what's it called? Grand Canyon? No, the grocery store. What's it called? Ralph's? Yeah, something like that.

It's like, I got to have bodyguards and helicopter over the roof of Ralph's. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can't you can't divorce. You can't like take that many steps back from humanity. You can't. They fucking all go nuts, too. Do you see the shit they do?

Because they're so fucking crazy. You one thing that's consistent in this conversation is the word they. And I think in a bad way and in a good way. And I think the good way is that it's always a they if it's a corporation. It's a bunch of people acting together, doing terrible things. And I think that where we're wrong as a culture is not that we don't think of ourselves as individuals, but we don't think of giant groups as individuals. It's being a bunch of different individuals together. You become a part of this corporation.

Then you become a they. And only they can get away with shit. Let me define. No, you're right with that. No, I mean the stupid fuckers. Let me be real definitive here. The stupid, backward, lemming, motherfucking idiots that are in control of everything. But aren't they just a part

of this fucked up system that we're talking about? Like if you come along, like say if you're going to work for some guy who's a fucking crazy control freak and you're working in his office and they have specific rules,

the company rules that you have over the coffee machine and the way he wants you to dress, the way he wants you to talk. If you're trying to advance inside that system, you behave the way that system is set up. But we've got to get rid of all corporations. They're the enemy of everything, decent government and everything.

But, you know, they're bullshit, too. But they're also where we get laptops. They're anti-democratic. There's no democracy in a fucking corporation. It's corporate feudalism. That's what's foisted on all of us. And you have to do what your boss says. He might be on coke.

Of course he is on coke. They're all fucking on coke. He might be on some ungodly. Could be on Adderall. Well, some people are not meant for Adderall. I'll give you that. But I mean, and it's at his whim that you live and die. That ain't right.

That's what corporations do. And these fucking, you know, servants that they put on the Supreme Court to make a corporation a human, I think we should take advantage of that and do just the opposite and get all the American people together not to never vote, never cast another fucking vote, and incorporate. And then we'll build a fucking government for the money they fucking stole from us in the first goddamn place. We'll get our money back. Strong words from Roseanne Barr, ladies and gentlemen.

Strong words. Or not. Or not. You know, one of the things that I thought was fascinating that you were talking about, one of the reasons why you love Hawaii is because they still have a goddess. They still have an active goddess. I think it's a fascinating thing in our culture that somewhere along the line, being a woman or respecting the idea of a goddess, you know, is completely eliminated from the whole structure of the culture. It's kind of gone. There's women, there's mothers, there's wives, but this strong feminine power structure or power position of the goddess doesn't really exist.

The feminine divine. All these fucked up cultures. Well, that's what they got to get rid of first because it makes too much sense to women. Well, they got to try to fuck with women's minds. That's how they spend 99% of their lives doing that, the idiots in control. Because they got to get women to continue to, you know, bear kids for them to, you know, send off to wars and molest. Whoa.

But in thinking the things that, like the standard of feminine or the philosophy of feminine, just the natural instinct and inclination is to take care of things, nurturing things, be loving to things, give birth to things. Oh, that's a little bit. That's not exactly. Everybody says that. The yang and the yin of things. It's the correct things.

It's the correct things. Like when you see your kids going to chew on an electric cord like they all do because they're a fucking idiot. You say, put that down. Dad say that too. All parents say that. But that's out of love that you're doing that. So that's what feminine is. And, well, you would also say that there's a yin and a yang and that the masculine is more aggressive.

Well, you would also say that there's a yin and a yang and that the masculine is more aggressive. If you look at a society that's spiraling out of control, it'll go one way or the other. It'll go too far one way or too far the other way. And the Amazons are fucking kidnapping men and cutting their dicks off. They are? Giant Amazon women. Where's that? In a book. Oh, in the book.

That would be a society like, shit, man, the women have taken control. That would be awful. I mean, women like it. Of course they do. They don't want to cut it off. I mean, you know, women like men who have erections. That's the bottom of the fucking line. Of course they do.

That's what you're seeking. However, you know, there are still intelligent systems, and it seems that women are the ones who actually think of them because they have to. Like in what way? What intelligent systems? Well, like, you know,

a lot of, you know, social change comes when women start doing it. All social change. Really? Yeah. In every community. When the mothers start implementing a smarter system, All social change. Really? Yeah. Isn't it just as people? Social change. Why is it women though?

When mothers start implementing a smarter system, that changes things right away. And there's all kinds of evidence out there that you can read about. Like right now in Africa, a whole bunch of new systems, you know, and women are the ones who are like thinking them up. Because like I said, a lot of these women, myself included in the old days, you had to fix a whole lot of shit with just using a rubber band and a paper clip. You had to like organize a fucking shitload of people around you to do what needed to be done for the group. It's like hive mind.

And we were trained for that. So it's like, you know, if we're all going to survive in this family, this is what I need you to do. that. So it's like, you know, if we're all going to survive in this family, this is what I need you to do. We need to make our common goal visible and all work towards it, not against it. And that's what the mother brings to a family and the father too. But the mother is the one who's there every day, general, I'm speaking in generalities, but she's there and she implements that system of sharing and commonwealth. Do you know who Dr. Chris Ryan is? Have you ever heard of him?

No. Heard of the book Sex at Dawn? Uh-uh. He's a good friend. We've had him on the podcast several times, and he's a really, really brilliant guy. And one of the things that he talked about was that in hunter-gatherer cultures, the relationship between the man and the woman was much, much, much more equal because

the women did a huge amount of the work. A huge amount of the reason why everybody was surviving and taking care of their children and feeding themselves was because of the gathering part. It wasn't so much the hunting. The men would be out doing the hunting. They would be successful occasionally, but it wasn't all the time. So they relied on crops. They relied on the things that they grew and the things that they picked. And that because of that, the women had a prominent position of power in those cultures. Because our thinking is a little more circular. Not always, but in generalities.

A little more connected. A little more, you know, where men seems to be A equals B. It seems, you know, this way. What do you call that? Hierarchical or something? Yes. And they're trained to do that. I don't doubt that it could be switched at any point if you're training people.

But after you've been doing something for a couple thousand years, it kind of comes into your DNA and it gets like it's your default because you've been well-bred or programmed for that. But I don't think that is who we are. I think we're much smarter than what we're allowed to be. And I think that if we had ultimate freedom and small groups of communities of self-rule where it was the goal of each community to be sustainable and have justice and trade with your neighbor. I think we'd be a lot better because that is who we are before we all got fucked up with this shit. I think you're right. And I think that one of the things that these things represent, we start talking about like an ancient culture that, you know, favored women more or a culture over here that favors men more. You know, you get weirdness

like Papua New Guinea, where they sexually molest young boys from the time they're young. They take them away from their parents and they make them ingest men's semen. They call them semen warriors. It's crazy. But what is that? Well, that represents this crazy range that we have of behavior patterns that people tend to follow. And I think that discussion and communication and things like these conversations are what lead people to start analyzing the behavior structure and the conversation makes people look at the way things are and compare them to whether it's past civilizations or civilizations like Iceland or whatever it is. And they start thinking about reorganizing and re-engineering the system because the system is just that.

It's something that people create. And it might be good. It might be bad. But people have accepted because they've been brainwashed into it. They've been brainwashed into thinking that it's our master, but it's our tool. And, you know, it is government that makes that happen. Just efficient, you you know efficient government it's like we've never we've never really had that here you're right and it's so corrupt now at this point that i

agree with what you said earlier before that it might not be there's a thing well i think it is and uh i have you know i have hope in my fellow humans not not in any fairytale way. But there's a movement now, and it's starting in Italy, and it's going to go everywhere. It's called the Five Star Movement, and it has new systems of law, the International Tribunal of Common Law. And I'm saying it wrong, but it's like commonwealth, common law. And, you know, it's like taking the idea of sovereignty on behalf of, you know, the regular people of this planet, the citizens of this planet, and, you know, judging the people who have caused and imposed misery for no reason but profit. And, you know, the people people who have caused and imposed misery for no reason but profit.

And, you know, the people, they do have that power and it is coming. And it is because of the Internet. And it is because of shows like this because we can't talk this way. You know, I have faith in your generation, younger people. My kids are your age, a little bit younger, probably just your age. But, you know, y'all are getting smarter and you will, you know, you're going to solve a lot of stuff because you're smart and you have the technology and the tools at your disposal to do so. I think it's really the people far younger than me that are the hope.

I think it's the people that are listening to people like us having these conversations. These are the first exposures they've had to these ideas, and it'll shape them and change them while they're still young. I think the rigid people that get into their 30s with mortgages and 40s and what have you, those are the really hard ones to fucking change. But you get a hold of some 18-year-old kid who's just out of high school and knows his parents are retarded, and he goes to college and he listens to a podcast where Roseanne breaks down what's wrong.

That plants a seed in his head or her head. And then from there, they go on and they improve, you know, the structure from where they can access it at the beginning. At any point. It can be, you know, even one small change could change the whole thing. Not being saddled down with, you know, mortgages and kids and all this different stuff that makes it really, really hard to change. But be free from the jump and then engineer your life and in turn affect the lives of all the people around you. But here's what I think is really scary, awesome, cool, is that it's far younger than even them. Because, like, I have a lot of, I don't know if you've looked into it, there's a lot of hope for the way autistic people think because they are very solution-driven.

And I'm on that spectrum, you know. But they're able to, like, conceive of the idea of actual solutions to actual problems instead of how am I going to make money off this problem, which is, my generation and disappearing. But kids as young as nine years old are implementing incredible systems on the Internet that actually like, you know, what do you call it, for battering and fuel, batteries, you know, and fuel, and all kinds of new things. These guys, these people are unbelievable. These young, they're really young. And especially the ones who have intense focus. Their focus is so intense that they can only do one thing.

But when applied, I mean, these are like some of the greatest thinkers as per solutions that have ever existed. And now this is like the time of magic that I really like because I want to tell you this story, but you finish. No, no, no, please do. Oh, this was like a thing that really stuck in my mind. I was at this party and there was all these people, you know, from all over the place. And there was this guy there and he had done all the satellite work

for Ted Turner at the time, you know, when they started cable news and everything. And he was telling me what his opinion of the impact of technology and freedom of information for people to be able to. And here's what he said, because I think of it every day. He said, for the first time in history, human history, information reaches the people without any state, without any church stopping it. He said this is going to give birth to something that people who look at the Renaissance as like a great time, that's not. It's going to be a million times of it. He said this is going to be the time of great freedom. million times of it. He said, this is going to be the time of great freedom. And he said,

and the greatest thing about it is that, you know, the ills of the world will begin to disappear because people will be smart enough and won't want to walk over dead bodies anymore because they'll realize that what they do is who they are. And he went into this whole thing. And I think, I think of it every day. And, and I look for evidence that it's true, and I find it everywhere all over the Internet. Smart people, they know the right thing to do. They know that this is the time where us just deciding that we're going to do the right thing for the right reason at the right time, it's never been done. it's possible and this is the first time that it's really been possible for people to like really get together and demand and bring change and a whole a whole new world a whole new world and we can do it all with everything that already exists we don't have to have any wars and we don't have to reinvent the wheel either. It all exists. What we just need is the right intelligence

and philosophy at the top driving it. And that exists too. You are so much more positive than you were two hours ago. Well, here's why I'm positive because as positive as you are, you know about Zen and stuff. For as much, you've got to stay in balance.

The only reason that you can be that positive is because you're aware of how negative it is. You need both. You've got to stay in balance. The only reason that you can be that positive is because you're aware of how negative it is. You need both. You've got to have both. You've got to have both because you have to see how fucking stupid shit is. I often think that that's one of the things that motivates good things is seeing evil in the world. It's almost like it has to exist in order to motivate good because we're so we're so far from perfect We're so far from finished, you know, if we used to be monkeys and now we're this we're not done

It's not we're not stopping right here. Whatever. We're gonna be a million years from now. It's gonna be very difficult to It's gonna be very difficult to compare to what we are today. We're gonna we're gonna change we're gonna evolve we have to this point We're gonna continue to do so whether we to evolve. We have to this point. We're going to continue to do so. Whether we evolve or they don't like the word evolve. They like to use the word only evolve with genetics. Advance. Advance culturally. Advance biologically.

Advance in our understanding of each other. And advance even further in our ability to spread information. We're not done. So the evil almost motivates that work. It almost motivates that positive work to get things done. Yeah, because like the evil thing, after it's done killing everything good, like cancer, the cancer cell, and this is genetics, it doesn't stop killing until the host is dead. And then it becomes the host and it eats itself. It eats its own tail.

Well, and even on a different way of looking at it, what we were talking about earlier about New York, about people experiencing that horrible evil of this attack and thousands of people dead, and then millions of people being friendly to each other. This burst in the other direction. To me, that was like this is the other direction. That was like, to me, that was like, this is the Messiah moment. First of all, that Wall Street appreciated the work, that people who do the actual work that makes things go. Like when they go to the wall and flip that switch,

the people that make the electricity come, the people that raise their kids and put the food on their tables and grow it, those people that do the actual work, they were being very appreciative. And I thought this is a mind blowing fucking revolutionary moment in the United States history where bullshit is not walking and bullshit is not talking, but reality and like reality is being honored. And people were so fucking happy, man. They were all smiling at each other. They were tripping over themselves to give somebody a hand. It was intense. And I never will forget it neither.

I won't forget it either. I remember that feeling. It was a very, very, very strange time. And it didn't last. But it let me know that that time is possible, that things like that can take place where people do wake up and kind of realize. And I think one of the big things was that it happened here. We've been so lucky. When you consider how much war the United States has been involved in and how little of it has been on the United States soil outside of Pearl Harbor, which is barely on United States soil. It's like it's in the middle of the ocean. It's Hawaii. Hawaii, I think it should be its own nation. I just do. I think it is a totally unique thing. I think it should have its own rules, its own government. I think they need the United States money for certain things

because of that, but fuck. I do think that it's moved to where it's like the leader of the United States because it's the only place where they've outlawed GMOs. And China just said, we're not going to buy any GMOs. So there you go. There's a whole market there that Hawaii is very set up to be able to fulfill. It's a paradise nation. It's a paradise nation in the middle of the ocean. The idea that it's a part of the United States is crazy. But they've been attacked. The Pearl Harbor thing was the only time.

So we didn't have a point of reference. So we're involved in all this shit that's going on all over the globe. We are involved in Iraq. We are involved in Afghanistan. But you and I and everybody that's here in America, we don't feel that. We don't, unless you have friends or loved ones that are over there, you don't feel it. I don't know. I think people have sent their children over there. Sure. Those people feel it. I mean, it's like 30, you know, there's a bunch of people who felt it. And what's really

sickening to me is that those people who sent their kids over there to fight for, you know, there's a bunch of people who felt it. And what's really sickening to me is that those people who sent their kids over there to fight for, you know, an idea that they agreed with and that everybody agrees with. That's what they were sold and that's what they did. And then they come home to find that their parents, that class of people who've lost their homes. I mean, when people put that one together, I always hope, you know, of course, I want the American people, you know, deserve health care. And if they had given us health care, they wouldn't have had any war in Iraq. And I want somebody to put that together, too. That was all bankster bullshit to avoid paying for, you know, Medicare for all because they needed to get away from what they call a socialist model. So they started breaking it down, and it was all around health care. And it would have been a whole fuck of a lot cheaper to just give people health care, but it paid off those private contractors who go over to other countries.

And not only do they blow everything up, but then they rebuild it. Then they blow it up again, and then they rebuild it. They're getting paid four times of doing that because it's just a fucking scam. When you say it's about health care, meaning that they shifted where the money would go, that it would have to go to war so there wouldn't be money for health care? Was that the idea behind it? Yeah, because they didn't want any socialist solution. I just say socialist solution. They call it, you know, they've got people thinking that socialism means you're behind barbed wire with a gun to your head. Or that you're weak and lazy and you don't want to do any work.

But that's how you fucking create a middle class. You take the shit from the top and move it to the middle. So they just bullshitted everybody. And, you know, they use the way they always use. They use a lot of racism and they use absolute classism to divide people against each other and do their fundraising shit. And all the laws that they changed since Reagan were deregulation laws. And it was so that they deregulated the insurance company so like bosses can take peasant insurance out on their employees. So if they die, they get a kickback.

Judges get a kickback. You know, they took public money and put it in private pockets and they did it all through their lobbyists who sit in Congress and have nothing to do with serving the needs of the people who sent them there. Now that is some bullshit. That's fucking hilarious what it is. Sometimes you can't write comedy like that. Well, I don't think it's hilarious. I think it's disgusting. But I agree with you that it's hilarious how fucking transparent it is.

And I think that you breaking it down like that is going to let people sort of look at it from that point of view. But instead they got everybody flag, Bible flag Bible, you know, Bible flag. Kalatu Niktu. Yeah. What is it? You made me forget it. Klaitu Barado Niktu.

Yeah. It's like just the fucking catchphrases of bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Slogans. It doesn't mean shit. You're not going to get shit for it. Right. Your kid ain't going to get nowhere.

He's not getting any school. Mm-hmm. But like i have them in my family's like well we need to be able this was like it in hawaii too where this old lady gets up there it made me so fucking mad she goes i'm 82 years old and i'm a i uh i'm a uh gmo farmer and um you know i'm 82 and if i didn't have my GMO crops, I wouldn't be able to send my children to college, and they get up there, their testimony. I want to go to college. But, you know, but I go up there and go, I don't care how old you are.

You don't have the right to give my grandkids asthma. Hello? But they don't connect to anything because they're fucking on dope, for one thing. They're on all that fucking, they're depressed as fuck. America takes two-thirds of the world's antidepressants. And then they got antidepressant booster on top of it if it doesn't make you forget reality quick enough. And, you know, they're just drowning in bullshit. But they want bullshit more than they want anything else. It's like a fucking incredible addiction.

Give us our bullshit. Give us our fucking bullshit. But it's all fucking bullshit. It's all fucking bullshit. Is that because the truth is scary? Because it's simple. And they can't stand simple. What do you mean it's simple? Because they don't feel smart unless it's all convoluted labyrinths of bullshit.

The simple truth is fucking overwhelming to them because they're fucking liars. So they're like, huh, how am I going to stand here and have something true come out of my mouth? How am I going to do that? I won't be getting paid for that. But I mean the people themselves that are addicted to the bullshit, like what, what is, what, what's feeding their addiction? It's hope. And that's why I say I don't use it. They, they have convoluted hope and tell people, oh, you, there's hope that you're going to make it. There's hope you're going to climb out of that hole. There's hope there's a payoff. There's hope you're going to

win in the casino. There isn't any fucking hope. All there is, is just, you know, uniting with other people and helping each other to get rid of fucking criminals that are robbing us. Well, that's certainly the best hope. Right? That's certainly the best hope. So I hope that people will fucking wake the fuck up. That's what I hope. I think they are. I think they are.

I think that'll become an internet meme, what you just said. Someone will take that and turn it into a clip. It'll be a video. And people will say, Roseanne Barr breaks shit down. That's what it's going to say. I like doing it for people because I can. And I like just going, hey, I'll read all the shit for you and I'll tell you what it means too. Because I feel like, hey, that's a service I can provide.

Maybe I'm full of shit on some topics. Look it up for yourself and then come back and tell me if I am or not. I'll listen. But, I mean, somebody's got to put this complete system of obsolete bullshit, they've got to start laughing at it, discorn it, and fucking replace it with something that fucking makes sense. I agree. I just don't know how it's going to happen.

I wonder what's going to be the trigger. I hope it's not something catastrophic, some sort of big event that has to take place in order for them to rebuild the whole thing and try to do it in some sort of ethical and moral way. But I fear it might be. All they have to do is write down the debt like FDR did, move the zero. It's easy. It's a pen on paper. That's all they have to do if they want you know things to get better in a fucking hurry what do you mean they can write down the debt of the american people they can have

a debt jubilee they can forgive the debt student loan debt they can do that all if they you know want to it's totally possible obama could like say you know what i'm kicking the federal reserve the fuck out of here as a matter of fact i'm As a matter of fact, I'm going to nationalize it. And I'm going to nationalize Monsanto too while I'm at it because I have that kind of power under the Patriot Act. They would kill him in a heartbeat. So you got to do what you got to do. Well, isn't that what happened to Kennedy? I think so. But you got to – and Lincoln.

And you got to do what you got to do. And those guys are frigging – you know, they did what they had to do. And they died. If you're going to get that fucking close, you know know it's not like you're gonna top that it's not like you're gonna be you know after you know nationalizing the federal reserve and monsanto you're never gonna top that did you think that's like getting a second fucking sitcom number one thing you're only gonna get that once he's there with the chance. He could do it. He could do something. Did you think that it was going to be different when he got into office?

No, I didn't like him. I knew he was. I ran against him. I came in fifth. I spent zero dollars. I came in fifth. I raised no money and spent no money. I came in fifth. Wow. But yeah, I ran against him because I knew he was a lobbyist like they all are. There's no real leaders. I mean, I think he's a smart lobbyist, and I don't think he has any chance to do what he does because he's in that system, that system of banksters. Did you run— That's who runs it. Against him in 2008?

Is that what it was? 12. 12? Well, when he was coming out in 2008, did you have any belief in him? No, I never have any belief in any Republican nor Democrat. I know they're just fucking lobbyists. You know, they're not real even politicians. You know, they're just liars. They're basically just fucking liars.

Politicians make bridges between communities and people for, you know, money to come into that community. These guys don't fucking do any of that. They just take people's money and put it in their friend's pocket, like everything they do. They're not – nothing they do is in the public interest or for American citizens. I agree. I hope your optimism in people figuring it out is founded in that. Well, I pray that they will, because I want to use that word. Because as long as there's old, you know, crabby, whatever I am, women like me, you know, that are able to come on anywhere and

say, I'm praying that people will wake up and rejoin the human race. I think that's a pretty free society that you're living in. It's about as free as you can get in today's climate. But, you know, they're working very hard to restrict those freedoms. And that's what's scary about the NSA, holding things on over people, digging into your email, being able to have things that they can pull on you. Like you were saying before, that they're all a bunch of fucking people that have done shady shit and they know that they have secrets out there and they want to have your secrets as well.

And they want to hold them over your head and keep you from trying to change the system. So when a person like you comes along that doesn't give a fuck, that's when the truth gets heard, when a person doesn't have anything to lose. You know, you're a comic. You got to tell, you can't get up here and then you can't fucking bullshit. You can't live if you're just bullshitting people. You know, you want to hit them right fucking between the eyes. And for me and like my idol, Dick Gregory and other ones,

it's like I'm not even going to fucking make it funny. I'm just going to say it to you because it's like you have people. We have the power, right? We have the power. We have all the power that it takes to ensure that a better system is implemented with the least amount of cruelty possible. That's a great way to put it. We do have it, right? We do.

I believe we do. Dick Gregory was the guy, for a lot of folks who don't know, who put the Zapruder film on television and made people- I didn't even know that. Yeah. He was the guy in 1970, actually. It was long after, 70-something. It might have been 71.

It was right after, it was on the Geraldo Rivera show, actually. They showed the Zapruder film live on television and back then Geraldo was this anti-government guy who was this like really controversial character. Look we can watch it right here. What year was it? Jamie back that up real quick. Back it up to the beginning? 1975. Okay. Right straight out that if you are at all sensitive, if you're at all queasy, then don't watch this film. Just put on the late night... Mm-hmm. They're going to show this is a Pruder film.

This is Geraldo Rivera back when he was super slick with a beautiful mustache and lovely hair, and it was called Good Night America, and it was Geraldo's show. He was the host of it. But he did put on Radical People. Fuck yeah, he did.

He was a young man, and he was a wild fuck. He was the host of it. But he did put on Radical People. Fuck yeah he did. He was a young man and he was a wild fuck. He was very different than he is now. This little Fox News puppet. This is the Zapruder film. Dick Gregory got a hold of this video. I didn't know that. Time Magazine owned it from 1963 on. Zapruder submitted it to them in

1963. They bought it and then no one released it until 1970. What was it? 75 so think about that you're talking about eight years after the murder was the first time it gets on TV and here it is This is the first time people see Kennedy's head explode on television and go back into the left. They'd never seen that before and All of the shots were fired from behind by Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone assassin, firing at the president. And as you can see clearly, the head is thrown violently backwards.

That's Dick Gregory. Dick Gregory put that on television. So your hero was responsible for something you didn't even know about. That was one of the big moments where people in the United States started going what the Kennedy assassination was the one for me when I was I was living in New York and my friend John he had this buddy who was over the house who had this book that he was fucking waving around talking all this crazy shit about this book it was called best evidence by this guy David Lifton David Lifton was an accountant that started going over the Warren Commission reports and he was one

of the only guys that was anal enough to go through all fucking who knows how many hundreds and hundreds of pages and find all these inconsistencies and contradictions and all this hypocrisy and craziness and all incorrect shit and he he made like a long list of what it was and explained and then Went on this lifelong quest to get to the bottom of what happened during the Kennedy assassination and the result was this book called best evidence that is one of the most analytical books ever and analytical about the crime in a way that was not emotional. It wasn't theatrical. It wasn't trying to lead you in any one direction or the other. It was just simply stating the facts.

Like the reason why the single bullet theory was concocted in the first place, the single bullet itself appearing on Connolly's gurney magically at the hospital and being responsible for going through two people's bodies and leaving more in residue of the bullets in Connolly's body than was missing from the actual bullet itself. So much horseshit involved in the concoction of the single bullet theory in the first place because they only did it because they had a they had to make up for a guy getting hit with a ricochet on the underpass a guy went to the hospital and he got hit and he was doing interviews and talking about it he got hit with a bullet that hit the curb stone and the ricochet hit him in the head so this guy had to be treated so they had to account for that bullet and one of the ways they accounted for that bullet was all these different wounds on two different people they attributed them to one bullet instead of saying hey man maybe they're getting shot from all over the place. Maybe they're getting shot from the front and shot from the back. No, they tied it all together. The first

bullet hole in Kennedy's neck, they turned that into a trach wound. It's a different wound in the Bethesda, Maryland hospital as it is in the Dallas hospital. The way it was described in the Dallas hospital was an entry wound. The way it was described in Bethesda, Maryland, by the time they got a hold of the body and flew it across the country, they turned it into tracheotomy. You don't do a tracheotomy on a guy who doesn't have a head. The guy's dead. I never heard any of that stuff. They had to make something. They had to account for the fact that he had a hole in his neck.

So they turned it into a trach wound. He got shot from a bunch of different angles. There's probably several people shooting at him. One of them might have been Lee Harvey Oswald. It's not an either-or. You know, people say Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I don't know. He might have acted. That either-or thing, that's that binary mind control thing.

So you go back and forth like you're getting all bipolar. You're right. You're going back and forth, but you don't see the real truth right there in your face. Here's some real facts of it. Not that those aren't real facts, but that Gerald Ford was the head of the Warren Commission that came out with a certain report and then became the unelected president of the United States. That says a lot.

That creep Arlen Specter, he was on the Warren Commission. The Warren Commission was filled with criminals and crazy people, madmen, that were designed to disseminate propaganda and dress it up as the truth. Whoever killed Kennedy, whether it was Lee Harvey Oswald delivered the shot, or the idea that what we're getting is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but, that's the most hilarious thing ever. Why would they ever do that? I don't know, but I agree with you. But did you see Obama shaking Raul Castro's hand at Mandela's funeral, though?

No. Did you hear about that? No, but did you see the guy who was doing the fucking translation, the sign language at Mandela's funeral? That was fucking hilarious. He's just making shit up. To me, that shows where there's a problem with conspiracy theory. That most of the time time it's incompetence it's human incompetence more than anything else and when you got a guy that's just making up

sign language shit standing three feet away from the president who oh by the way when you go back in his past turns out that he was arrested for murder and might have been also responsible for rape so it's like all these crazy accusations about this guy he's a violent schizophrenic he'd already been arrested at one other time for doing that very same thing. He got in trouble, rather, for doing that very same thing. How'd he get up there? He did it before. I don't know how he got up there. I don't know who hired him, but he had done that before. We had gone up and

pretended to be a sign language guy. Maybe they're telling Obama something because remember when he went to South America and his guys got busted for the prostitutes thing? Well, that was actually Secret Service people got busted. But I mean, well, maybe some of the people that get next to him, they're not really being vetted very well.

I certainly think so. I think it's incompetence, like I was saying. I think there's more incompetence in government than we would ever imagine. And when you see that— Because you can tell that the smart guy, the wizards, they're dumb. Well, they're smart in some ways, but I think in order to fuck people over, you have to be a liar. In order to be a liar, you got to lie to yourself. Right. I don't think there's any people that are dishonest that are honest with themselves. Because if they were honest with themselves, they would recognize the terrible feeling that comes along with

leaving a legacy of sadness and destruction behind you with leaving a legacy of sadness and destruction behind you, leaving a legacy of people upset about your personal actions. That's not a way to be in harmony with life. That's not a way to be happy. And that's why people... But it is for those people, like you said earlier, that are like, I just want to get over. That is a joy for them.

I don't think so in that way. They just want to die their way out of it. Die their way out of it. Die their way out. Just ride that bitch right into the beach. I don't think so in that way. I think those people die their way out of it. Just ride that bitch right into the beach. I got mine. Fuck you. That's all there is. Yeah. I think even those people are not optimally happy. And they probably in some way in the back of their head realize that maybe they drink it away. Maybe they pill it away. But the way to be happy is to make people around you feel happy. That's not the way to do it, just by fucking people over. And when you have a million dollars or a billion dollars

and you've got so much money in the bank that you can't even spend it all, you're not going to notice the victories. What you're doing is just continuing to play the game. Damn, that's really true. When you became super wealthy, you went from being this person who struggled and we're really fucking in poverty. And then all of a sudden, boom, insane, incredible wealth.

Once the dust settles, you're still Roseanne. You're still Roseanne. You're going to deal with new bullshit, but you're still you. I don't know if I'm still me. You don't know if you're still you? I think it destroyed my nervous system. I know that. I love that George Harrison said that one time.

He said the Beatles thing. He's like, well, the cost was our nervous system. I know that. I love that George Harrison said that one time. He said the Beatles thing and he's like, well, the cost was our nervous system. Because of the fame? Yeah. The pressure? Yeah, it's a lot of pressure.

It's a lot of fame. And, you know, I couldn't handle it. I didn't fucking even know what the fuck it was. Mm-hmm. And it just seemed like another bullshit thing.

How old were you when you hit, when it really got crazy? 38. So that's the same thing, too. First thing I did, I was like, you know, yeah, I did go all the way fucking nuts. First thing I did, I started, like, you know, I started giving away the fucking money. Because I have, like, basic beliefs.

Of course, they're all sold out and compromised now. But I did. And so I was like, okay, you've got to do this, set this up. But I set up all of these crazy fucking nonprofit organizations. I used my money to try to do what I really thought I could, blows against the empire shit. And that was so fun because it was like being a pirate or something. But of course, there was a certain time where it's like, you know what?

I'm getting a facelift. And then it was like, then I got all GMO'd like that. I got all fucking GMO'd. It was exciting. And especially because the pills they give you, they give you these fucking awesome painkillers and shit. So I just kept having more and more surgery. And, you know, there was a lot of psychotropic drugs. And like I had a huge fucking three or four.

I had about 15 nervous breakdowns. Luckily, no one noticed. Nobody in my fucking family around me noticed any difference. Wow. But you categorized them as nervous breakdowns. Yeah, they were. I had a shitload of them. It's a lot of pressure.

It's a lot. It's not fun. I mean, I admire people who are handling it well, but once you get up to that certain level, I mean, you know, I'm just saying a lot of people, they don't survive that level. And I would see that, you know, that. Like when you see a Miley Cyrus going crazy or a Justin Bieber going crazy and everybody has their own criticisms of them. You have a particular way of looking at it. We like, God, you know, you don't know what the fuck they're dealing with. No one knows.

No one understands. You understand in a way that most people would never. Yeah, they can't trust anybody. Everyone's crazy. And their life is crazy. Their reality is crazy. Well, you know, they're just around so many vultures and creepozoids. You know, they don't know if they're coming or going.

Plus the amount of fucking, just the impact of all those people staring at you all the time. And everywhere you go, you got, especially now, the paparazzi in their face everywhere. I mean, Justin Bieber can't take a shit without someone having a camera in the toilet. And that's just the way it is with that life. And most people can't handle that. It's like a stalking. Like the media, they want to stalk you because they want to destroy you on camera because that would be some good ratings. Well, they also feel like they're allowed to.

They're allowed to just shove cameras in your face because you're the famous person. Yeah, I was the first star that, you know, I mean I had to pay a large amount of money in settlement. But I did make the mistake of hiring some fucking goons to beat the fuck out of some paparazzi. How much did you have to pay for that? Oh, I had to pay them all a few thousand. That's worth it. All the paparazzis. What kind of cash do you got?

That's worth it. Well, this was way back when. Way back when, the good old days. When I had a shitload of shit money. I was like, yeah, these fucking people, they're just fucking, they're jumping on my car. I mean, you don't know what it's like when you're like panicked because, you know, you're trying to leave a crowd and you're in your car and they're fucking jumping on your car and they're being encouraged to jump on your car and shit. Yeah. It's like, you know, and, you know, some farm boys knocked my window and I rolled it. And they're like, do you want us to beat the fuck out of them?

We're from fucking Iowa. I go, yes, I do, sir. They got that hay bale in strength. And they just moved them out of the way so I could leave. But I was a sitting duck. You know, that kind of shit was weird. How often are you in California? You know, I come here every now and then.

Will you come back? Will you do this again? Yeah, it was fun. I enjoyed it very much. I enjoyed being with you. It was, and I said for me, as a stand-up comedian, it's an honor. Because I really do. I'm very emotional.

By my nuts. No, you're not nuts. You're awesome. But you're one of the greats, in my opinion. Oh, you're very sweet. I do appreciate that. You know, there's a lot of of the greats, in my opinion. Oh, you're very sweet. I do appreciate that. You know, there's a lot of great ones right now.

It's a good time for comedy. Good time for comedy. Thank you very much, Roseanne. Good luck for all your stuff. This was fucking awesome. I really appreciate it. And thank you, guys. We'll be back tomorrow. Do I have to sign this or what?

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