The Joe Rogan Experience - #435 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: December 31, 2013

Aubrey Marcus is writer, entrepreneur, and adventurer. Some of his writings and experiences can be found on his website, WarriorPoet.us, as well as links to his latest venture, Onnit Labs. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! So I got this dolphin friend, and he's like, Hey man, you want to try some puffer fish? Dude, you never done no puffer fish? Come on, man, don't be scared. Puffer fish, dog!
Starting point is 00:00:22 We are telling you this, this December 31st, there was an article that was just released this week that showed that dolphins pass around puffer fish and get high from their toxins. And this is the first time we've ever observed an animal as intelligent as a dolphin that goes out of its way to get high. We've seen animals like bears will drink fermented berries. All kinds of animals will do animals. Jaguars. We saw the jaguars. Oh yeah, that's a crazy one. Pull that one up, dude.
Starting point is 00:00:49 There's a video of Jaguar Eats DMT. It is literally one of the coolest videos on the internet. This is Jaguar that gives zero fucks. When you're a jaguar you don't have to give a fuck. He eats alligators, okay?
Starting point is 00:01:05 He kills those caimans. Those are crocodiles. He bites them in the head and eats them. You've seen that too, right? On a regular basis, they do that. It's part of their diet. They eat fucking crocodiles. So he's not scared of shit.
Starting point is 00:01:16 So when he does his drugs, he's so peaceful. Because he's literally at the tippity-tippity top of the food chain. So this jaguar has this plant that he eats and a copy vine, I believe. Yeah. Play the sound so we can hear it. So cool. If you haven't seen it because his jaguar is just a majestic animal. Cats like jaguars eat leaves. When regurgitated, they cleanse their digestive system. When regurgitated, they cleanse their digestive system. Sounds like an ayahuasca trip. It's so badass looking, this thing. Like a catnip, some plants induce other effects.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Oh my god, he's tripping his balls off. Why are they being so politically correct in this description in this video some plants produce Of course it is bitch we talking about you got a goddamn killer animal that stared off in the space light on its back That thing is fucked up. I might not know that much about cats, but I know a lot about people being fucked up. I know. I recognize that look. This thing is tripping its balls off, man.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Look at its dilated eyes. It's staring at the sun. What the fuck are you saying? That cat is high as fuck. It's communicating with the souls of all the animals. The jaguar also takes Yaji to heighten its senses when it hunts. That is so
Starting point is 00:02:52 wild, man. That whole world is so fucking fascinating. You know, I was talking to Roseanne about this yesterday. Roseanne Barr was here and she loves nature and she's a you know she loves nature she's a big advocate of nature and we were talking about the idea that people just came into the Amazon and just ganked these folks out of their land like just because
Starting point is 00:03:15 they don't have paper money that looks the same as our money just because we just decide all that place that you've been living at for you don't own that no that's the rainforest now you can own real estate in Idaho but you don't own the no that's the rainforest now you can own real estate in idaho but you don't own the rainforest like there's a farmer in idaho has been there for fuck my family came here in 17 that what did that guy do that's any different than these people that live well oh you just decided that that guy gets that land because he got there first back then when it was written on a certain piece of paper is that what you're saying you're stealing from these fucking people they're living in the jungle you're robbing them i mean it might as well be a certain piece of paper. Is that what you're saying? You're stealing from these fucking people. They're living in the jungle.
Starting point is 00:03:45 You're robbing them. I mean, it might as well be a mass invasion of a murderous army from space. You know, you're totally cheating. You have all sorts of shit they don't have, like trucks and chainsaws and machine guns. You're just jacking their shit. And they're giving it to you because they're scared as fuck.
Starting point is 00:04:02 They don't really want to work in a factory. Yeah, they don't have a choice. And, you know, when you do give these people a choice, they always go back to, you know, let's say, that was actually a story I had from just a slightly different topic from the animals, but I did an interview with Jimmy Nelson who did that book before they passed away, went out with the tribes. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:04:19 And actually the Russian government gave the Siberian tribe, the Chuchki, they gave them opportunity to move into some housing, basically, where they would have food and television and vodka. And these people live out on the frozen Siberian steppes, like one of the hardest lives possibly imaginable. So they go move into these buildings. They're like, oh, fuck it, we'll try it. Look at all the free time we'll have, and it's warm and shit.
Starting point is 00:04:43 So they tried it and started drinking. And then within a couple months, one night in the middle of the night, they just all packed up the whole tribe and then moved back out to the steppe. Wow. Because it's just a better life out there. We can't imagine that because we're so fucking silly. If you have more zeros, you win. If you have more zeros at the end of your game, you win. If you make $100,000 and another man makes $100 million, you always go, damn, that guy wins.
Starting point is 00:05:15 You know what I mean? Even if the guy is just fucking miserable and popping pills, you still go, yeah, but the motherfucker's got $100 million. Like if I had that money, fuck, dude, I'd never be depressed. My troubles would all go away. Yeah, so backwards. It's so weird. First of all, it's not actually happening in the moment. The people with all this money generally are no happier than anybody else.
Starting point is 00:05:38 And people don't want to admit this either. This is one that people do not want to admit. They go, yeah, well, I don't see it that way, man. I think that money's not even really that important, man. My happiness is not measured. Bitch, shut up. You know that guy's got $100 billion. If he's got $100 billion, that makes you a freak.
Starting point is 00:05:56 That makes you a freak. Have you ever seen Bill Gates' house? Oh, you don't want one of those. Shut the fuck up. You don't want that thing? Joe, he's got a submarine. He's got an submarine, okay? He's got like an escape pod in his house.
Starting point is 00:06:10 His house knows who he is when he goes into every room. Oh, you don't want that. Well, you'd rather live fucking hunting squirrels with a BB gun out in the woods. That's what you'd rather do? Make fires with rocks? Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. You don't want that house?
Starting point is 00:06:21 That guy's got $100 billion. It's not even a little bit fascinating to you that he has museums? That's not fascinating to you? No, no big deal. Just museums. He sets up habitats for people. He provides collar ships for people. Pumps billions of dollars into the economy. No, I'm not interested in that, man.
Starting point is 00:06:38 It's just like being out here in nature. Okay, shut up. He liked both. Both are kind of crazy. Both are crazy. You got to have the balance. You can't be that guy that only cares about money. I knew a billionaire who would wash disposable cups in the dishwasher.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Wash disposable cups in the dishwasher because that was part of the game that was saving him more money and keeping his pot bigger. And so that's that one extreme. And then there's the other extreme where you said, oh, it completely doesn't matter. I don't care. Capitalism sucks. Everything is terrible. There's a middle way.
Starting point is 00:07:13 There is a middle way. There's that middle truth of appreciating the abundance that you have of life and friends and love and happiness and all of these things that are really meaningful. And then also going out and, you know, achieving something that you can have these luxuries and experience more vacation, more travel, see different parts of the world, take people there with you, you know, give to people who need it, you know, that you can, that when you have it, you know, I mean, there's, there's value in both and people try to be one or the other. Exactly. And that's where they lose the truth. They lose the truth in their ideology.
Starting point is 00:07:47 You know, what's bad is shitty behavior. But if we're going to agree that something is worth something, if we're going to agree that, you know, my two hours of time is worth $40, you know, if I'm going to work for you for $20 an hour. If we're going to agree to that, it's because I can get something out of that $20 that I'm not going to get any other way. Sure. You know, that's the only way'm not going to get any other way. Sure. You know, that's the only way I'm going to get a fucking thing of pineapple juice. I'm not growing my own pineapples. I'm not going to go to Hawaii and bring them back. You know, if I want pineapple juice, I have to give some money.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Right. So I'll be willing to, I'll climb your pole for fucking two hours and you give me some pineapple juice. You know, if we're not going to agree to that, then we're not cooperating. Yeah. So if you're like a person who doesn't, I don't believe in money, man. Well, then it's too complicated. So how do I know what's worth what now? It's just super inefficient.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Let's say you have goats and you want pineapples. Well, what if the person who has pineapples doesn't like goats? All right, well, then you have to find what the person who has the pineapples, what he wants. Exactly. And then trade with that person. But what if that person doesn't want goats either so then you got to go you got to make these convoluted four-way systems when you don't have you know you don't have a basis of currency i know but it makes sense it's just so weird that we don't get to decide like
Starting point is 00:08:57 how that currency is run we don't get to decide where like the idea that we don't get to we don't ever get to look behind the curtain at the federal bank it's just like off it's some crazy little fucking castle somewhere with clouds around it lightning bolts and nobody goes in there and explains why we owe 13 trillion dollars like no like what are you talking about we don't know you shit you better shut the fuck up we don't even know you in nickel are you crazy like if the whole world were soldiers, if the entire United States was armed soldiers, and the bank was like, hey, you know, you guys owe us $13 trillion. What?
Starting point is 00:09:34 Who? I don't owe you anything. Look at me. Look at me. Me? I'm not responsible for those people that lived 100 years ago and make those decisions. This is what I owe you. Zero, okay?
Starting point is 00:09:43 And I comprise one of 300 million that's in the population So all of us collectively owe you zero because we're all the same We don't have nothing to do with your fucking debt. Like what are you talking about? Did you guys do you did such a horrible job? Constructing your infrastructure and financing wars that you you spent 13 trillion dollars that no one has and You expect people to be responsible for that? What percentage of people make these choices that causes us to be in $13 trillion?
Starting point is 00:10:12 Is it even one one-hundredth of one percent of the people make those choices? We should feed them to hyenas. All of them, those savages that have put us in this fucking... You want to talk about a miss? We're just trying to manage the economy. You missed it by $13 trillion. What?
Starting point is 00:10:32 Are you just stealing money? Tell me what you're doing. How did you let it? If you had a credit card, you ran it up. And they said, Mr. Marcus, you've passed your limit at Citibank, and we'd like to extend your limit. How much did they give you? When you're $100 million in the hole. and they're like, look, keep financing him. I got a good feeling about this kid.
Starting point is 00:10:48 At that point, I'm too big to fail, Joe. I'm too big to fail. I got a good feeling about this kid. He owes us a trillion dollars. He's looking at me. He's a beautiful man. He's handsome. He's smiling.
Starting point is 00:10:57 It's going to work out for him. He's got a good energy about him. How do you get to that much money, you fucks? We don't owe you a goddamn nickel. Not a nickel, Not a penny. Just this. Thanks for fucking it up. Go away now. We'll take it from here. No, you can't
Starting point is 00:11:12 keep fucking us. No. No, you can't keep running the world like this. Good thing that they're preventing all of that revenue they could get from legalizing marijuana coming in because... That would help them too. They need some pot too. That's the real problem. They all need it. They'd them, too. They need some pot, too. That's the real problem.
Starting point is 00:11:26 They all need it. They'd have more money. They'd feel better about things. They probably should hang out with the Jaguars, though, and eat some of the copy vine. That's too scary. You've got to take baby steps. Start with a little weed.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Weed is a gateway drug. Excuse me. Weed is the gateway drug. It's the gateway drug to psychedelics. Yeah, it's a gateway drug to understanding you don't know shit. It's good. It's good for you. Not good for everybody, but it's good for you not good for everybody but it's good for me i like it i enjoy it i benefit
Starting point is 00:11:49 we live in a dream aubrey marcus it makes no sense because the people before us fucked it up so hard that we're running on the momentum of these knucklehead decisions these fucking dummies had made and embarrassing ones. You know, like when Native Americans go, like, you know, we want back our land. And they're like, what are they talking about? Oh, you don't want to know. Well, what are they talking about?
Starting point is 00:12:14 Well, read this. And you start reading about what the fuck happened to Native Americans when the Europeans got here. Like, it's an unheard of genocide. I mean, it's one of the things that never gets discussed, but there were people here. There weren't just a few. There were thousands and thousands and thousands of people
Starting point is 00:12:34 who had lived the same way for hundreds and hundreds of years. And we, not me, not you, people, that somehow or another built this place way before we came along, they fucked those people. Oh, yeah. They came across and they just stole from them and fought with them and shot them. The disregard for human beings has been so prevalent throughout history. And even now, you can see this kind of disregard in all of these corporations
Starting point is 00:13:05 and everything they're covering up. I've been surprised this year, looking back at 2013, how much it extends. We mentioned Amber Lyons before, but then her expose on CNN. And then all of a sudden, you realize, oh, I thought it was kind of like Anchorman, where they just kind of report stuff that would be interesting to people, but really actually they have other agendas and Bahrain is paying, the dictatorship in Bahrain is paying them money to do hype stories for them. And then you're like,
Starting point is 00:13:34 okay, so that's way more corrupt. And then you see the Blackfish documentary and you see how fucked up and corrupt SeaWorld is, changing stories about why these orcas are going off and killing people. And then you keep looking at these different areas and seeing how much is actually corrupt and fucked up. And then, of course, the Snowden thing with the NSA. I mean, go on down the line, and it's like one after the other.
Starting point is 00:13:58 You can just count where that money's going to and what their response is going to be. Got to be careful, Aubrey Marcus. There's a problem with all this thinking, and this thinking ignores terrorism. There are terrorists out there, Aubrey Marcus, who hate us for our freedom. You don't understand because you live a privileged life, the cushy life of a civilian protected by the soldiers out there fighting for freedom. You don't understand, Aubrey Marcus. I must have missed it.
Starting point is 00:14:30 I must have missed it. They got us wrapped up in some crazy shit. Could you imagine if your friend came to you and go, listen, dude, I know you're enjoying a good time here in Southern California, and you got a pool and a backyard that you barbecue in, but we're on a team and you and I are on a team and I got some problems with some dudes in Africa. So what we're going to do, we're going to go there. You're going to live there.
Starting point is 00:14:53 I'm going to pay you about a hundred bucks a week and you're just going to dodge bullets and shoot people you don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay. Here we go. You're like, what the fuck, man? I got to move away from Chris.
Starting point is 00:15:04 He's crazy. Yo, he's telling me I'm in, we're going to war with people in Africa. Okay, I'm living in Cleveland. I got to go to Africa. What is happening here? Chris, you're crazy. I'm not going with you, man. Dude, we're on a team, and it's your civic duty.
Starting point is 00:15:18 I've got you. You scribbled on a piece of paper, and I have a video of you scribbling on this piece of paper that agrees that I get to use you for six years. That's what, you know, one of the things, and one of the things I haven't been on since I read Sex at Dawn, but one of the things that really impressed upon me is that the organizational structures of human beings, what we're designed to do, and most primates, you know, falls in line with what they call the Dunbar number, which is somewhere between 50 to 150 people. Maybe for you.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Maybe for you. Maybe I get about 500 in there. Well, if you have that many people and you're making decisions what's best for them, you don't do this crazy shit. You don't have these crazy thoughts. You say, okay, what's going to be best for this 150 people fifty people well these people they're gonna go out and they're gonna procure some money these people are gonna you know take care of the dance lessons or whatever the fuck you want to do for the tribe but it makes sense at that point
Starting point is 00:16:12 but then you get these large-ass numbers and these manipulations and this anonymity and things get really wonky well anonymity is it's one step on the way to no more anonymity ever anonymity came along in a way where you could communicate with people. What it was like, it was like the first echoes of a new era. When people started to be able to communicate with each other online. And when you read evil YouTube comments or someone just attacks people on Twitter. Some girl said something on Twitter. I don't remember what it was.
Starting point is 00:16:42 But she was like a teeny bopper girl. And this troll, internet troll. I read the responses and it's like, I hope a demon eats your rotten cunt. You whore. I hope a demon eats your rotten cunt. You whore. And I'm like, oh my God. Like nobody knows who that guy is. It'ssy 705 he's got a picture it's a like a uh it's like a tricksy like a what are those things you know like a pixie like a fairy yeah like that's his avatar and he says he or she says the most horrible vicious evil shit you know i don't know what the the actual i'm you know making up the name but my point is that it was completely anonymous like this this horrible thing that you could say to someone, you could shoot it out to them, and for the first time you can touch them.
Starting point is 00:17:30 If they read their Twitter, you can make them think that you think a terrible thought about them. And that's a tricky thing, man. It's a tricky thing because what are you doing when you're doing that? Do you understand what you're doing? Because you're doing it just as if you were doing it to their face. And if you're doing it to their face, you'd be a piece of shit, right? Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:47 So why are you doing it this way? Just being sneaky? Just like, there's not going to be none. If you had the accountability of a tribe, you know, and you had 150 people, let's say 120 because 150 is a limit, people who knew you intimately well. And there was that one person who kept saying that to people in the tribe. People would be like, shut the fuck up. Get out of here.
Starting point is 00:18:05 We don't need your nonsense. But now it's just there's none of that accountability. And the other problem too is that without that kind of tribal structure, you're fucking stuck with whatever parent you got. And that's your go and that's your lot and that's your mentor. That's who's showing you the way. There's no way for you to kind of vary and say, oh, this is is kind of whack let me go over here and stay with these guys for a while yeah there's no way where you look at it and you go you know my dad's kind of a douche you know i
Starting point is 00:18:32 wish i had a better dad how many people i've met that didn't like their dad they're like yeah my dad's a fucking dick wish i had my neighbor's dad my neighbor billy His dad took him fishing. He's a great guy. Never hit him. Right. All right. You can't choose, man. Or can you? Dun, dun,
Starting point is 00:18:49 dun. Some people believe, I'll be Marcus, you've chosen every single thing that happens to you in this life in advance, all to benefit a certain thing that you need to see, all to expose you to just the right amount of knowledge and the right dosages until one day it peels apart the egg of the universe And you get to look inside of the eternity of perfect existence An ultimate knowledge and truth boom and then that's what we're doing as we're going through life. We're gonna call it a death
Starting point is 00:19:16 We're gonna call it a death. Oh grandpa passed away No, grandpa got the fuck out of here his body quit and then a big burst of psychedelic chemicals entered his brain and he stepped through a giant infinite kaleidoscope and met with the universal one. Grandpa's going to be okay. Or not. The dream ended for grandpa. Because this is the dream and then you're going back to
Starting point is 00:19:37 a real life. Allegedly. A lot of hippie talk in my book. That's what I'm saying, Aubrey Marcus. A lot of hippie talk. From a guy who calls himself warrior poet and a fear factor host. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying all this hippie talk. Yeah, I think that's the, I was thinking about what it kind of is and if this is the dream.
Starting point is 00:19:57 So the first step is to kind of wake up and realize that this is the dream. And then at a certain point you're like, oh, fuck, well, this is a dream. So maybe it'd be better to escape the dream. And you start thinking, what's the point? Well, then the pitfall of that, how you get over that, the next step is to just love the dream for what it is. You know, we're here, we get to experience life and everything that's in this, in this dimension that couldn't even be possible in an infinite dimension with infinite knowledge, without skin to touch and taste buds to taste and sex organs to feel and everything that is unique about this. So you've got to love the dream for what it is. And then from there, you've got to realize that ultimately we're all in this dream together
Starting point is 00:20:40 and it's all kind of the same co-created dream. And we have the ability to kind of manipulate that and improve the dream for other people or make the kind of the same co-created dream and we have the ability to kind of manipulate that and improve the dream for other people or make the dream worse for other people we're all in this piece together and that's kind of what we're here to do is to create not a nightmare for everybody but to create a cool fucking dream so one day when this dream ends we can look back and say god damn that was a was a good dream. You know, let's do another one. Let's go back to sleep again. Let's see what happens the next time. What's hard for people to grasp is that you don't know what's next. That's hard. It's scary. It freaks people out. So they
Starting point is 00:21:16 seek, they seek help with pills and booze and bullshit and bad relationships and drama at work and all this nonsense that you're just filling up your stupid head with just to distract yourself from this ultimate fascinating existence that we find ourselves in where we have no idea what's coming next. We don't know what's going on right now anywhere except what's right in front of us. And even then, the wheels of perception, they ebb and flow depending on what chemicals you've induced into your body,
Starting point is 00:21:46 whether or not you smoked a joint or ate a mushroom or, you know, there's a lot going on here. It's not just as simple as this flat consciousness that we all agree upon because I'm not entirely sure that other people have the same experience that I do. When I look at, like, some country music and I look at I look at some TV shows and I look at some, I shouldn't even say country music, a lot of pop music. I actually probably like more country music now than I even like pop music. We spent some good times in a country bar.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Yeah, I'm a big Dwight Yoakam fan. My dog's named Johnny Cash. I like some country music. But there's some really stupid shit out there. Why is it? Is it because they're dumber than me or are they seeing a different reality? Is reality just like your nose? Like your nose is a nose. My nose is a nose. But if my nose was on your face, I'd be like, what did you do different? You did something different.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And if you put your nose on my face, you'd be like, does something go on? Your nose looks different or something. We both have a nose. It's very recognizable. Neither one are distinct. There's there's nothing you know like we don't flatten boxers noses or anything they're both pretty normal but i know my nose and i know your nose and i know your nose isn't my nose how do i know that that's not like reality that reality like what what other people see they're seeing it through a filter that makes things that suck Coming at come at them in a better shape They have a it has a better smell to it things that seem stupid to you to them It all just fits right into this neuron and this this this ability to interact with light Accepts this shape better than that shape for some strange reason orange has always been my favorite color
Starting point is 00:23:22 Are you seeing the same color? I am because orange looks stupid. How do do you like orange you want an orange car you fucking weirdo you know but you know what i mean it's like why would you like orange is it a is it is it a taste thing or is it a taste thing and your world is different than mine i think what you're mentioning is is really one of the key lessons that what i'm mentioning is pot smoking nonsense. That's what I meant. Well, I was just going to draw it. When I was on that, when I did my last ayahuasca trip in Peru and I had the vision of the eagle and that was the secret that he basically gave me
Starting point is 00:23:56 is I'm flying along with this condor eagle and the eagle says to me, you know, you want to know how to see better? You see through everybody else's eyes. And the message there was that everybody has their own perception. And to really understand what you're going through, what they're going through and seeing, you have to see what they see through their lens of perception. And if you can do that, a lot of this hate and a lot of this anger goes away. What you feel instead can be maybe pity. Like,
Starting point is 00:24:25 I feel bad for this human. Look at the way the world appears to them. Look at the way, you know, that person is so quick to anger, so quick to hate when really, you know, they could look at the same situation with love and feel happiness. And so it shifts your kind of opinion on things. But no doubt about it, we look at things a different way. And the recent studies on epigenetics will show that, you know, things, you can change the way things appear, probably not only on a mental level, but probably a genetic level based on your epigenetic manipulation of belief, you know, and what you see. And I think, you know, Bruce Lipton's doing a lot of good research in that, and that's a really exciting field.
Starting point is 00:25:05 But, you know, just because you have a certain lens of perception doesn't mean that that can't change with your choices and with your belief. Yeah, and that change would help you. We want to hang on to the way we are so badly because we don't want to admit that we were ever wrong. If we admit we're ever wrong, then we have this reevaluation of the value of self because the value of self is very important. And one of the important things that a lot of people have is that they're right. They want to be right.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Like a lot of times you get in an argument with someone and at a certain point in it you're like, why are we even, why am I upset about this? Like I have nothing to do with this lizard that lives in fucking the Komodo Islands. I have nothing to do with them. But you're insisting that it lives all over the place. And I'm telling you it only lives there
Starting point is 00:25:46 and in fucking zoos. And like, why is this upsetting? What is it about this? What's really going on here? People, we develop patterns. And attachments. And attachments to, you're attached to the persona of the guy
Starting point is 00:26:03 who's right about random facts. So when you're attached to that and it gets challenged you identify with it that's part of you so it's actually threatening a piece of you which triggers the kind of fear mechanism it's fascinating when you talk to someone and you um i mean i uh i would never say that i'm absolutely free of that um i'm not free of any human emotion. Of course not. But I'm pretty good at controlling that impulse. And I'm also pretty good at not being attached to ideas until I've really extremely vetted them out and also vetted out the opposing idea.
Starting point is 00:26:38 But I've had conversations with people where they'll say something to me. Like I had a conversation with this kid where he was talking about psychedelic mushrooms and he disagreed. He was like very adamant, very smart kid, very young, probably like maybe 20. And he was talking to me about how, you know, I disagree with Terrence McKenna's stoned mushroom theory.
Starting point is 00:26:54 He goes, I think it's too simplistic and it ignores the fact that there's so many different strange things that are uber complex all throughout the universe. You know, why should we assume that human beings got this way because of one compound? i was like you're right the fuck do i know i don't know nothing about and he was like he goes oh okay i can respect that i go yeah i mean what did i do the research am i i don't know i think it's a good idea i think the idea is
Starting point is 00:27:18 sound because i think that chimps obviously they think and mushrooms make me think in a completely unique way and i think that if a chimp ate mushrooms it would probably affect the way he thinks i mean it just seems to make sense to me no doubt i mean you can see it i mean you look at you look at the pictures of the dolphins who are just doing the fucking the puffer fish talk they're going to the surface and looking at their reflection you know at that at point, that has to be changing some of the usual. The usual pattern is probably, find fish, find fish, let's find fish. Oh, let's play. Let's fuck.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Let's fuck. Let's find fish. Let's fuck. And then all of a sudden, they stop all that and it quiets. And they say, wow, look at me. I'm a fucking dolphin. And then it's a different pathway that opens up, you know? And that's what happened to these monkeys too at a certain point
Starting point is 00:28:09 or humanoids or whatever, what stage they were on at a certain point. They're like, ooh. Yeah. That's also why it's good to drink. It's good to drink, you know? People don't want you to say that. They don't want to hear that. Let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:28:22 If it wasn't good to drink and alcohol is available as many places as it is, we would be insane. Look how many places alcohol is available. You're telling me there's no benefit in this? This shit is, okay, it's just killing people. That's it? That's it. 100%. We'll kill certain people.
Starting point is 00:28:39 So do hammers. We're supposed to make them illegal? So do cars. Should we stop driving? Don't tell me that alcohol doesn't have some benefits. Okay. It does. Because every time I drink, I go, this is the last fucking time I'm doing this the next
Starting point is 00:28:51 day, and yet I still do it again. There's a benefit. It makes things more fun. It puts you in a state that you probably wouldn't achieve if you weren't there. Sure. So you got to be careful with it, and you shouldn't drink too much. There's a fine line between having a good time and being fucked up, and you don't want to cross that line.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Having a good time is nice. I like having a good time. Having a couple of drinks, having a bunch of laughs, and everything's sounding groovy the next day. You're a little fucking out of it, but smiling, drink a lot of water, you're good. But those get wrecked in Miami nights. I hear you, go to Mexico
Starting point is 00:29:26 and do tequila shots with some bandits. Yeah, I think just doing it in a slightly more conscious way is, I think, the key. You know, I've certainly had some pretty aggressive party days in my life and I actually wrote a blog on it. It was basically saying party with awareness still going on.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Don't get to that point. We went out to a fucking restaurant yesterday in Santa Monica. Really cool. i was up at uh up at the top floor of the huntley out in santa monica and it's 8 p.m and there's a girl in the ladies room whitney tells me who is just puking everywhere just hammered and her girlfriend is like oh you got some drops on your shirt i don't care about 8 p.m. on a Monday. You know, like, don't take it to there. And what happens is they get these
Starting point is 00:30:08 tasty drinks and it's like, just drink it like it's a drug and enjoy it. Just take your liquor straight and take your beer and wine.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Or just drink one margarita, you fucking pig. You don't have to down five of them, dude. All right? That's fine. Listen, buddy. You know, what are you doing, mister? That's funny. Listen, buddy. You know?
Starting point is 00:30:25 What are you doing, mister? Throwing up all over your shoes? How many margaritas did you drink? How old are you? What are you doing? You throwing up on your shoes? You're a fucking 45-year-old man. You're throwing up on your shoes.
Starting point is 00:30:34 You got to get over that at a certain point. That's why the people who don't drink until super late, they're just kind of screwing themselves, you know? I mean, because then at the point that they do, you're going to have to learn all that bullshit for yourself. What are you going to do? Are're going to have to learn all that bullshit for yourself. What are you going to do? Are you going to go your whole life without booze? Congratulations.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Oh, you didn't have as much fun. Congratulations. It's so stupid. But if you're one of those people that can't, I get it genetically. I know people, for a fact, that cannot drink. They just have that weird fucking thing in them. They have a drink, and then boom, the eyelids shut. Ka-chunk. They open up. weird fucking thing in them. They have a drink and then boom!
Starting point is 00:31:05 The eyelids shut. Ka-chunk! They open up. There's a new person back there. That new person's like, we got it! And the new person just fucking, whoa! Takes them. Luckily that did not spill on any computers, ladies and gentlemen. I flail my hands too much.
Starting point is 00:31:21 I gotta learn how to do podcasting without movement. This is only like the 18th time I've spilled coffee in this fucking place. What do you think that is when there's that dramatic personality shift? It's alcoholism. It's a disease. I mean, I firmly, absolutely want – People say the only disease is self-control. You can only say that.
Starting point is 00:31:41 You can only say that if you live that person's body. I've seen it i'm a i'm a hundred percent sure that some people are alcoholics and that their family are alcoholics and it i mean it doesn't just go in these giant family waves because it's a tradition these people can't drink okay they're not like some people can drink you can drink i can drink but we know people who can't drink Okay, and that shit is just what it is There's there's certain people you know they get a couple of drinks in them
Starting point is 00:32:10 I had trying to have a conversation with some dude this weekend that I like he's a nice guy, but he was Fucking hammered he tried to come up to me and it was four o'clock in the afternoon And then I asked him if he's drunk and he he says no. And I was like, bitch, you are fucked up. How dare you? You're so hammered, you can't even talk, and you're telling me you're not drunk. It's like when you call somebody and you say, are you awake? They always say yes.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Are you drunk? No. I'm not drunk. Yeah, yeah, for sure. The booze is talking to you going, dude, if you tell him you're drunk, he's going to tell you you can't have any more. Come on, we can get a couple more drinks in. It's only four o'clock. You'll be fine
Starting point is 00:32:48 a little bit. It's such a weird phenomenon. You'll see that shift where it just looks like whatever higher part was supposed to be driving the ship is just gone. And that base, it's just pure monkey that's there at that point. All you have to remember, folks, is some people
Starting point is 00:33:04 are allergic to peanuts. That's All you have to remember, folks, is some people are allergic to peanuts. That's all you have to remember. Some people eat peanuts, and it's like you or I, peanuts are delicious, and we enjoy them. Would you like some peanuts? Yeah, sure, man. What do you got? I got honey roasted. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Eating some honey roasted peanuts. But other people, that's poison. That's death. That's always been my argument for like these Dr. Drew type characters that are like, you know, the amount of people addicted today to marijuana is what? One eighth of the amount of people that die from peanuts. What's the number? You got a number? I'm sure you do. How about you say that? Be more responsible. You're talking about a few weirdos. If there is an actual physical addiction, it's so rare that they don't even understand the mechanism behind it.
Starting point is 00:33:46 It's not like opiate addiction. It's not like the withdrawal that people get from alcohol, which can actually kill you. People don't know that if you're a daily drunk and you get off alcohol, you could die. It's happened to people. They suspect that's what happened to Amy Winehouse. They think that she might have just stopped drinking or tried to stop drinking and her body just shut the fuck down because it was just living with alcohol. It just adopted its systems to burn the alcohol.
Starting point is 00:34:13 The adaptive human being survives in the face of poison. That's crazy. You know, I was reading, and I certainly need to do some follow-up research on it, but the same article that was talking about the epigenetics in Bruce Lipton, they were mentioning a case where there was somebody who had multiple personality disorder and they had so they had split personalities one of their personalities if that person ate strawberries they'd get totally fucked up like hives you know
Starting point is 00:34:40 all kinds of bad shit would happen but But if the other personality ate strawberries, then they were fine. Now, I got to find this. If anybody finds it out, that would be obvious. Who told you this? So I was reading the article. It was basically... Did you say Bruce Lipton? Yeah, it was quoting him a lot,
Starting point is 00:34:55 and then it was talking about it. But let's see if we can try and find if that's real, because that is really interesting, where they're basically saying that your belief can go so far as to maybe peanut allergies are too much. But maybe the strawberry allergy is weak enough that it's malleable enough based on your mind. So that would be a real interesting kind of point. He was an interesting guy. We had him on the podcast a while back.
Starting point is 00:35:20 It's been a while. He's very smart, very educated, but very hippie as well. It's an interesting combination of a super smart old hippie. It's got some fascinating ideas. I don't know if I buy it all, but I don't buy myself. I don't know. That's the only intelligent answer is I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:35:39 I don't know. It's fascinating. He's one of those guys that believes in the observer effect, like the pure observer effect of quantum physics. But from what I've understood by talking to actual physicists is that a lot of people misrepresent what the observer effect is. And what it has more to do with is actually measuring the particles themselves, that you interact with them when you measure them. And that may very well have an effect On what we're so you're saying all by observing them you have an effect Sort of but also by measuring them like you're by measuring the observation like you have an effect on it
Starting point is 00:36:17 Like you you have an effect on these particles they interact with the whole universe all around you So yeah It might be that we sort of control our reality in some sort of a strange way. Or it might be that our reality hinges upon a fucking billion different factors, only of which we're aware, maybe eight or nine, because that's all we need. Just like if you wave your hand over an earthworm, he has no fucking idea you're there. Yeah. He doesn't need to know. He lives in the ground.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Or this is a fucking dream and we're the dreamers. We're the dreamers. And we, so by being the dreamers we can alter sounds like but you know of course there's multiple dreamers so just one person can't really alter that much but they can do a little bit they can push a few particles around this way you know i mean i think that's the point that that bruce is trying to make is that you know without using that kind of analogy of the dream but basically basically saying we are, you know, in effect very much a part of this reality.
Starting point is 00:37:09 And we can control and maneuver different things that we are not aware that we can do. Well, all we need is like a movie or a book or something that hits a switch, that changes a thought, that gets you inspired, that gets you to act, that gets you to do something you haven't done before. And then a year later, you live in a different life.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Dude, I read your book. I lost 100 pounds. I mean, all that shit is there because people are looking for a spark. They know that this goofy-ass way we're living, it's silly. If you could engineer reality from scratch, you wouldn't engineer $13 trillion worth of debt, a corrupt fucking political system, a fucked up medical system, fucked up educational system. You wouldn't engineer that. You'd figure out, I'm sorry, aren't people the same people that invented fucking computers? They're the same people.
Starting point is 00:37:57 And this was their solution for government? I don't buy that. I don't buy that this is their solution for money the same people who figured out how to send video through the fucking air across the country in the matter of seconds a network of impossible wireless towers that sends a fucking video of you skiing in colorado to your friend in florida and it sends it to women seconds like you're telling me they can't make a better thing than money they can't make a better thing than money they can't make a better thing than an atm machine they can't figure out something better than stocks and bonds and insider trading what the fuck is insider trading you're not supposed to use your knowledge wait
Starting point is 00:38:36 you're running a system that if you know about something in advance you you you can profit off that so if you know we i have to make you not profit. What the fuck are you talking? What are you, discouraging knowledge? Like that's going to work. It's a trap. It's just a way to get Martha Stewart. They wanted to control Martha. Well, we're very good problem
Starting point is 00:38:58 solvers as monkeys, but the problems that have monetary gain tend to be the problems that we attack the most readily. Whereas some of the other kind of ephemeral problems, we try to attack those in really the wrong ways. We throw pills at them, we throw some stuff. Actually, one thing I wanted to bring up is, you know, part of something that I realized is, you know, for myself, when I would track, and I'm generally a pretty happy dude, but the times
Starting point is 00:39:25 when I'm not happy, I really spent some time, actually the float tank helped me with this. And as I was, we got a great new float center in Austin. And so I was going through there, I was like, all right, man, what's up with the fucking days where you're not happy and what's going on? Because that shouldn't exist. I have such a great life, but there's times where these fogs come in. And I was like, all right, when I'm not happy, it's because I'm stressed out of something. That's generally what's happening. And what that's doing is taking me out of the present moment. I'm no longer in the present moment.
Starting point is 00:39:56 I'm either worried about something in the past or I'm thinking about something in the future. And I'm not just living free in that moment to just enjoy what's happening, the conversation of others, whatever else is going on. I'm in my own head. Well, what's causing that? Well, what's causing that is fear at a certain point, because you're stressed. The stress, the root of stress is fear. You're either worried about something, you know, losing something.
Starting point is 00:40:21 So you're afraid of that, or you're afraid of something changing. You're afraid of part of your identity changing. And so, but what's at the root of the fear then? So if we figure that fear is at the very base of that, what's at the root of the fear is attachment and identity. And so if you're attached to, even if I'm attached to something that I love very much, like let's say Onnit, you know, I love it with. I love that company. I love what we're doing. But if I'm attached to it, then I'm terrified that something will happen to this and I'll start creating these machinations in my head because it will feel like part of me is dying if that goes away.
Starting point is 00:40:59 So if I can just remove the attachment and say, hey, guess what? I'm still a monkey. I still got my hands. I'm still okay without all this other stuff. Without, if my relationships failed, if everybody around me died, you know, I love them very much and they add to the richness of my life. But to not be attached and to say, you know what? I'm going to enjoy the hell out of them. But that's not me.
Starting point is 00:41:20 You know, I'm still just a being that exists and I'll be okay. And then that starts to I'll be okay. And then that starts to eradicate the fear. And then when the fear starts to go away, then the stress starts to go away. And when the stress starts to go away, you can live in the present moment. And when you can be in the present moment, even if something's painful, it's just pain. It's not suffering. So you can be happy. And that was the fucking, that was it for me.
Starting point is 00:41:42 Now, doing that is super difficult. Maybe for you. For me, not so hard. I got 150 Dunbar numbers in there, extra. I got plenty of room. I got plenty of room in my brain, son. Look at this, man. Look at this picture.
Starting point is 00:41:54 This is an MRI that someone posted on the Rogan board, an MRI of a dude dying. Wow. His brain's releasing all these endorphins. Did they prove the DMT dump? They haven't proved the DMT dump, but what they have proved is that the pineal gland in rats produces DMT while the rat's alive. So they cut open a rat's head with a fucking hatchet
Starting point is 00:42:18 and got in a little fucking rat cocksucker's head, And Rat Cocksucker's head looked around and found out that the rats do produce DMT in the actual pineal gland. It says AMC in the corner there. Oh, it's fake? It could be. Oh, it's totally fake. That's totally fake. Then that's the scene from The Walking Dead.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Then that is the scene. Yeah. But of course it is. They don't have lights that go off in your brain like what's going on there you got a fucking light show in your brain they
Starting point is 00:42:52 it looks so fake too they because why else can we see the blood vessel so clearly but everything else there's just that one pipe up to the head
Starting point is 00:42:59 that's not how the fucking brain's structured that's not how the pathways of veins and arteries are in your system there's a lot of different shit going on have you ever read about the there's a letter veins and arteries are in your system. There's a lot of different shit going on. Have you ever read about the, there's a letter from Aldous Huxley's wife,
Starting point is 00:43:09 who's a famous psychedelic adventurer, wrote The Island, which is probably my favorite book, and Doors of Perception, and Brave New World. He died after being administered a dose of LSD by his wife, and she tells this really moving, writes this really moving letter about the whole experience. Have you got a chance to read that ever?
Starting point is 00:43:29 No, crazy bitch probably killed him. She said, oh, he told me to shoot him up with LSD at the end. Well, she had a bunch of people around. There's a doctor. I'm just kidding, folks. I don't really believe that. Don't get mad at me.
Starting point is 00:43:41 No, I didn't really call her a bitch. The person in my... Well, so she tells the story of basically just coaching them through this kind of release of the spirit like it's all going to be easy it's going to be fine there's nothing but love and she just coaches them through this and you know usually there's these big spasms at the end of death as your body's clinging to life and whatever else is leaving and you shit and it's just this and it goes but at you know with this lsd and her kind of coaching him through is just really kind of smooth pathway where you just kind of allowed
Starting point is 00:44:17 the spirit to exit and that's what the people who live with you know the shamans and the the medicine men they say observing their death is different than other people. It's just they just go, okay, and allow that kind of transition to happen. You know what else would really do the trick? NyQuil. If you get some of that old-school NyQuil before they outlawed it with the codeine in it,
Starting point is 00:44:39 ooh, son, drink a whole bottle of NyQuil and then meet your maker. You'd just be confused as fuck you'd be like what? you wouldn't even man you'd be cool with it NyQuil, LSD or mushrooms I'm going to melt through this bed
Starting point is 00:44:55 and right into the next dimension of existence I'm just going to go way back and right into it and expire done that's the going to that MAPS conference this year right into it and expire. That's the, you know, going to that MAPS conference this year, some of the best research is going on right now. Tell people what MAPS are.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies. And they're on the forefront of doing a lot of the research on the different psychedelic medicines. A couple other groups, the Hefter Institute is really keen on the mushroom studies that they're doing. And they're doing a lot with palliative care, people at the end of their life who are suffering and generally just getting all these painkillers, which kind of knock them out, keep them sleepy, keep them a little deranged. And they started giving them, you know, mushrooms and they do, you know, a controlled trial, placebo and mushrooms, which is kind of absurd,
Starting point is 00:45:42 as they mentioned, because you can totally tell when someone's on mushrooms, someone's not on mushrooms. Oh, yeah, I totally got the mushroom dose, dude. I'm tripping my balls off. So the clinicians kind of can figure it out, but it's tough to go. I think they give them niacin or something for the placebo control just so they feel something. Well, if you're weak-minded, you could be convinced that you're on a drug. Yeah. I'm 100% convinced of that sure you could hypnotize somebody and convince them so what was the results by the
Starting point is 00:46:11 well the result the results are just you know you start these people are allowed to kind of write their stories and you can start reading their stories about what how their whole interaction with their own life how they look at their life how they look at death how they look at their relations with their family all of these things changing from these heroic doses of psilocybin at the end of their life. God, it's amazing. You know what's really amazing? It's easy to grow.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Yeah? It's not hard. It's not like corn. You don't have to use pesticides. It's fucking, it's fungus. Beetles aren't going to eat it. Just grow it. You don't need that much either.
Starting point is 00:46:41 No? You don't need a lot. It's an amazing secret. It's amazing amazing secret. It's amazing that something this powerful is somehow or another demonized. That something this intense and this mind-blowing has somehow or another been put in the category of things that we should avoid. It keeps your sanity. What, are you going to slip away into the world of fantasy?
Starting point is 00:47:04 You're going to play World of Warcraft, over here. You're a goddamn grown man. Don't you think it's time you started a family? Pay some fucking taxes. Did you hear what they did in France? No. What'd they do? Dude. France jacked their tax rate up to 75% for rich people. That's rude.
Starting point is 00:47:20 For corporations and for the wealthy top whatever percent, they just decided, we're going to steal your money to fix our problems. We're going to steal all your money to fix our incompetence. The problem is that the people who are taking the money are going to fucking spend it in ridiculously stupid ways. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:47:36 That's what pissed me off about reading the responses because all these fucking haters out there, they're like, yeah, good, finally, about time. We need to do that in America. You want to give the government more fucking money? Yeah. Do you see what they're doing with the money we have? Yeah, exactly. Look at what they're doing, this NSA shit. Who do you think
Starting point is 00:47:51 paid for that? You did, I did. We paid for it. We both paid for it. We all paid for it. You want to give them more? You want to give them more and let them just come up with more ways to fuck us? More ways to lie to us? Better ways to trick us? Kill random people? Better way to turn your fucking cell phone on while you're jerking off? You need more?
Starting point is 00:48:07 Look at this. 75% tax for top earners will be levied on companies, proposal infuriated business leaders and soccer clubs. Soccer clubs.
Starting point is 00:48:15 That means like a like a fucking a soccer club. Like one of their leagues they would call it a club. Yeah, like Premier League. Yeah, so if they're making a hundred million dollars
Starting point is 00:48:22 the government wants 75! Give it up, bitches! Give me that fucking money! We're doing the best we can! No, you don't deserve half of your money that you earned! You gotta give! Not even half.
Starting point is 00:48:36 75%. What a rotten cunt of a country. That's brutal. Can you imagine if you were living there? They wanted 75%. People are just going to move. I mean, it's going to be a mass exodus out of France. You're just stealing money.
Starting point is 00:48:48 You know what you should say? You should be able to say, okay, how about this? How about instead of paying taxes, we guarantee a certain amount of money will be funneled privately into community centers and parks and libraries. We just guarantee that every business that makes X amount of dollars will get to choose which way their money goes. Either you can entrust it in the hand of the federal government,
Starting point is 00:49:11 which will fucking do whatever they want and make FEMA camps, or you could specifically have it channeled into, no, I cut a check to this company that builds parks in bad neighborhoods, so I don't need to pay you anymore. Oh, no, all my money went into making sure that the educators got raises
Starting point is 00:49:30 and that people who teach my fucking kids in school can pay their bills and not shit their pants at the end of every fucking month because they don't have enough money for food. That's what you're doing to teachers. You're paying teachers $30,000 a year. What the fuck kind of shit is that? It's ridiculous. It's actually a brilliant paying teachers $30,000 a year. What the fuck kind of shit is that? It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:49:45 It's actually a brilliant thought and should be the way it goes. I mean, if everybody could make decisions to put in, and you have to obviously have a certain amount of legitimate causes that everybody kind of agrees on, but if you just took your money and let's say tax was 10% to maintain fucking roads or police or whatever, whatever you had to do as like a very low percent. And then the rest, you just said, all right, now you got to give the other 40 this money back into the cause you want rather than fucking circulating it around, losing 70%. Which is, we already have that in place now with the different charities that you can give to.
Starting point is 00:50:35 They exist and eventually the best ones will continue because they're doing the most good. And if you could create that system instead of these crazy taxes, shit would be a lot better. Just give people two options. Option A or Option B. Option A is you give the government all your money and you say, hey, good luck. Take care of my cash that I worked so hard for. We love you. I love the fact that you spy on me.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Here's some money that you have to give to some assholes who you're paying to spy on you. You're paying to protect you, so they decided, well, the best way to protect you is to look to some assholes who you're paying to spy on you. You're paying to protect you, so they decided, well, the best way to protect you is to look at your dick pictures, Mr. Marcus. I've got to get into your iPhone and turn your camera on while you're taking a shit.
Starting point is 00:51:14 That's the best way to protect you. I like this third person that's in the podcast with us, too. That other guy's a good guy. He's got a lot of knowledge. You know, that's a ridiculous proposition. It's a ridiculous, absolutely insane proposition that you're paying someone to do that. If you have two options, one, you could do that, or two, you made X amount of money. Say you made $50,000 this year.
Starting point is 00:51:35 If you made $50,000 this year, you know, X amount of $100 should have to go towards these funds or towards whatever it is. Either it's going to be an anonymous dump off at the federal government or let's put specific things in the public's hand. Like say, listen, federal government, we've been thinking. And we just think you're too busy. This is what it is. You just got too much going on, man. You can't pay attention. Look, I know how I am.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Like when I got too much going on, I'm very flighty. I can't get it together. It's clear that you're in over your head. So let's do this. Let's have you guys only make really important laws. You work on that stuff. Work on make sure that big corporations can't dump shit into rivers. You guys watching that? You didn't pay attention, did you? Yeah, go fix that. So fix that and only concentrate on that shit. Can't use pesticides that are going to deplete the world's bee population. From now on, we're going to take over the military.
Starting point is 00:52:32 We're going to take over food. And we're going to take over education. Just the people. Look, I'm not saying that we're going to stop you from running things. We want you to run things. We just think you might have too much power. You might have too much power. You seem like regular people. and yet you decide wars could happen
Starting point is 00:52:48 and that natural resources should be extracted from places. How did you get to this position where you have that kind of power? That's not what you should be there for. If every category was donation-based, how many people would be ponying up to give a million dollars for a new missile to go launch at some poor fuck? Zero. Like, oh, yeah, I'm going to take my tax dollars and give it to you because I think I can get one-eighth of this new missile to go launch at some poor fuck. Zero. Like, oh, yeah, I'm going to take my tax dollars
Starting point is 00:53:05 and give it to you because I think I can get one-eighth of this new missile that's going to blow up maybe some questionably bad guys, but likely some mix of good and bad people. The government is a public-funded gun nut. That's what it is. Have you ever met a gun nut? Like my friend Justin.
Starting point is 00:53:21 You know my... I love that dude. He's a gun nut, a legit gun nut. He's got hundreds of guns. He's got guns everywhere. He wouldn't even tell you how many guns he has because if you knew how many guns he has, you would go,
Starting point is 00:53:30 what the fuck, dude? Like somebody asked him this weekend, how many guns do you have? I think Brian Callen did. And he goes, man, if I even started going down that road, you would think I'm crazy. He's like,
Starting point is 00:53:41 more than enough. More than enough. He doesn't even say how many. He might not even know. He might not even know. That's our government. Why do you have enough warheads to kill everyone on the planet a million times over? Don't you just need a couple?
Starting point is 00:53:52 How many enemies are you looking to launch missiles at at any given time? Oh, we have to be close to them. Okay, how close do you have to be? We have bases in like a hundred different fucking countries with killer weapons in them. Just sitting there waiting to fuck people off if they talk some shit. It's madness. Insane. And then, you know, you get the news
Starting point is 00:54:13 media who's taking some payments to tell people what they want to hear to support these crazy wars. They fuck themselves. They're a goddamn Don Henley song. Kick them when they're up, kick them when they're down. Remember that? song yeah kick him when the kick him when they do yeah remember that dirty laundry that song was the back in the day man that song was a you did there was like there was like a poignant song that had a message that was a cool song
Starting point is 00:54:36 about this weirdness of people putting things on television that's negative to get people to go oh and ah and you're in a way social engineering and that's all we had access to we couldn't do anything we the news was the fucking news was the fucking news and it took when don henley wrote that i mean they barely had cable i mean cable news was like just cnn there was no fox propaganda network there was no cnbc with all their fucking liberal silliness there's none of that is received which one's the liberal one? MSNBC? Is that it? I don't know. One of them. Players in a game. There's a balancing act. We have to cover all our bases.
Starting point is 00:55:11 We've got our conservatives over on this end. Alan Combs steps in. He's a liberal, but he's very wacky looking. He's easy to dismiss. That's why we keep him on the network. And then, hot pussy. Everywhere you look. Spreading Satan's message. Hot pussy. Crossing the legs back and forth. If you have fat legs, you can, spreading Satan's message. Hot pussy. Crossing the legs back and forth.
Starting point is 00:55:29 If you have fat legs, you can't work for Fox News. Period. When you come in, you come in in your underwear. They just say, okay, turn around. You're hired. Can you speak? Do you know how to speak English? And then you see, so you get all this famed competition, though,
Starting point is 00:55:42 that makes people think that they're really trying hard to work shit out. And then you see those pictures from that airplane flight where everybody's flying to Mandela's wedding, and they're like hanging out, George Bush, Obama. They're being cool. They're buddies. It's all just the same shit. They just feign this competition, battling over these little details and shutting down the government.
Starting point is 00:56:01 This is a gridlock. They hate each other. They don't. It's just the same fucking game. This is a gridlock. They hate each other. They don't. It's just the same fucking game. They're the same people. Could you imagine if you had an argument with someone and say all of our friends, out of all of our friends,
Starting point is 00:56:13 you and Duncan got in an argument and you had a disagreement about something. So you came to us to discuss this disagreement and there was maybe 10 people in the room and you started saying, my opponent has an idea of what happened that night but it's very different than mine my opinion of what happened that night is based on fact you'd be like oh this is theatrical this is horseshit arby's crazy right arby fucked up duncan and now he and duncan had a he probably did something
Starting point is 00:56:41 creepy and then he's he's lying he's not telling the truth. That's true. But we hear them say that, and you just automatically say, well, that's how the president speaks. That's how a guy speaks when he's making an important speech. He's speaking this weird sort of fake way. And it's the same thing with the news guys. Yeah. When they're like, you know, the Obama administration announced the improvement in the economy to the tune of 200,000 jobs. They're just like saying, they're talking in this professional rhythm of, we'll be right back.
Starting point is 00:57:18 And everything, there's no sexiness. Everything's hidden. Even real sexiness is just just you're allowed to be in your underwear but you can't go alright alright anyway whatever I like it
Starting point is 00:57:32 yay we'll be right back we'll be right back with more foxes no personality you can only be a cunt or a republican or a hard ass
Starting point is 00:57:40 you can be a hard ass you can be a mouthy liberal but no other fucking real personality. Well, and then the other game that gets played, too, is there's these real issues going on, really fucked up things that are happening that people should be paying attention to, like all this spying stuff. But then meanwhile, it'll be 24-7 coverage about the knockout game.
Starting point is 00:58:01 That's something to be afraid of, people. You could just be walking down the street and some kid could punch you right in the head and then you'll be knocked out. And it's a rampant issue. Okay, yeah, it's fucked up. Some kids are fucking assholes and they're punching people in the head for no reason. Well, guess what? They've been shooting people for no reason for a long time too.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Not white people, Aubrey Marcus. Not good, old-fashioned white Americans. You start to look at that and it's like, this is just something to keep you distracted and keep you fucking not focused on the real shit. It is and it isn't. It's actually just, we know you'll listen. And that's how you sell cars. You know, if I got a
Starting point is 00:58:38 Toyota commercial and the commercial pays X amount if you get this kind of ratings, but Y amount if you get that kind of ratings, I'm looking for Y. And if the knockout game is going to get me Y, I'm going to get a house in the Hamptons, Aubrey Marcus, a big place facing the ocean, so I'm going to stand outside with my dick hard and go,
Starting point is 00:58:54 fuck the world, I win. Yeah, I'm on antidepressants, but I got $100 million, you fuck. I got $100 million, you fuck. That's what it is it's the demon in all of us it's the apple come to life the serpent's apple i really think that a lot of this a lot of this depression you mentioned the antidepressants i think a lot of it comes from when you've been doing and sometimes of course there's chemical reasons health and a lot of people with health reasons a lot of there's a lot of kind of physical stuff that can happen but i
Starting point is 00:59:24 think with a lot of these people they're depressed because whatever they know that they should do in their deepest truest self you know that self that will exist beyond the confines of this dream that's that part starts to almost distance themselves from this fucking monkey that's making these ridiculous choices lying to people hurting people so people. So it starts to pull out, and there's this vacuum, there's this void that's created inside people when their higher self, their truest self, whatever the language you want to use, when that starts to go away because it's horrified
Starting point is 00:59:55 at what this monkey's doing. And then so you get this vacuum, and you can't find a way to fill it. You can't find a way to bring it back. So you just shove it with pills. So it severs that communication even farther. So you can't hear that lonely whisper of your highest self saying, please, please come back.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Please stop. Please come back. And you just don't even hear it anymore. But then you're even more fucked up and more sad. You know, I really think that that's a lot of what's going on. And whether you want to take that as literal or take that as just analogous to not being acting in accord with what you know at your deepest level is the right thing to do. I think that's a lot of the cause. It certainly could be in some cases. I mean,
Starting point is 01:00:36 who knows what the... I'm not a depressed person, but I have friends that have had real struggles with depression, people that I respect very much, and I know people that have benefited from medication. I don't know what causes depression. I don't know if it's environmental. I don't know if it's chemical. I don't know if it's genetic. I think there's probably many, many, many, many, many factors. But I do know there are a lot of people that are depressed
Starting point is 01:00:58 because of choices they've made in life and because of a road that they went down, because of a path they didn't pursue, because of a passion they didn't indulge, because of a path they didn't pursue because of a passion they didn't indulge Because of a friendship they didn't Whatever, you know, whatever the fuck it is, whatever whatever bumps people out. There's a lot of factors. It's not just genetic There's a lot of other shit and they've also said recently that exercise has proven to be as effective in medication and treating people that have never taken
Starting point is 01:01:23 antidepressants like instead they've tried people on antidepressants and they've tried people to just start really exercising on a regular basis and really get moving again and they're like god i feel great this is amazing i've been doing we take aerobics class and who takes aerobics anymore i just make that up they didn't even have aerobics class people like which gym are you going to man boot camps now no there's a step and there's people with scrunchie socks. You don't know. You don't know, bitch. Take a boxer size class. You know, go fucking, go figure out how to roller skate. It's fun.
Starting point is 01:01:50 You know, go rollerblading. Do something. Get your fucking heart pumping. If you don't do that, you're not going to feel as good. Yeah. And if you do do that, then if there's still an issue, okay. Then maybe you got something going on. Because it could have just been that you haven't fired your fucking engine up. You haven't cleaned your pipes out. You know, you got rust in your
Starting point is 01:02:08 pipes. You ever go away on vacation, you come back, you turn your faucet on. You're like, what the fuck is this rust, bitch? You got some rust in your pipes. You weren't using your pipes. Yep. Yeah, no doubt. Or when you've, you know, if you got a savage hangover, you know, and sometimes you let that, what's basically happening is you have a lot of toxins that have accumulated in your body that your liver is trying to process out you're trying to kind of get back to this normal baseline baseline right well it's not as dramatic as a hangover but a lot of people are living their whole lives with a certain degree of food and booze and medication and whatever unhealthy lifestyle hangover that you need. And my fucking asshole boyfriend. That motherfucker makes me depressed.
Starting point is 01:02:50 If it wasn't for him, I swear to God, I'd be like, every day is fucking Disneyland. Yeah, man. And it's not. And it's not. Whatever you're going through, you know, I think it's not too late. And I think that's one of the things that a lot of people think. it's like, ah, I'm too fucking far gone. Bullshit. You know, at any given point, there's ample time to do anything that you still want to do. There's time enough
Starting point is 01:03:12 for greatness. There's time enough to be the best you that you could be for sure. And it all, you know, the problem is, and I have been guilty of this myself, a hundred percent. I'm, you know, I seem fairly carefree for the most of the time, but I'm incredibly self-critical. Very self-critical. I keep it together, but I'm very, very hard on myself, like on a regular basis. So when I look back, if I look back on anything I've ever done,
Starting point is 01:03:36 mistakes I've ever made, paths that I, you know, something that I put out that I didn't quite think, man, maybe I just waited three months before I released that, or maybe I should have, you should have re-edited that blog post a couple more times before I put it online. Those things drive me fucking crazy. Shitty things that I've done have driven me crazy,
Starting point is 01:03:54 but yelling at someone I didn't have to yell at them for, whatever. But the most important thing is always for all people to recognize that you're not who you were a year ago. You're not who you were five years ago. You're not who you were last week. You're who you are now, and this is the only shit you have control over.
Starting point is 01:04:09 So you've got to regulate how much you dwell on regrets of the past. You've really got to be careful because it's good to have a little because my regrets, whether it's things of professional nature or the very few regrets friendship-wise, which is one thing that makes me very happy.
Starting point is 01:04:27 But, you know, life is strange. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of factors happening in life. But for sure, who I am now wouldn't have ever happened if I didn't fuck up. If I didn't make those mistakes, I wouldn't have understood the importance of friendship and kindness and if I hadn't been cruel at
Starting point is 01:04:48 some point in my life or someone hadn't been cruel to me, I wouldn't understand the beauty of love. I would have to, I wouldn't understand the full range of it because I hadn't felt the sting. If nobody ever punches you in the face, you don't really appreciate safety because a lot of people don't even understand what safety is. You put, oh, we're safe, we're
Starting point is 01:05:04 safe, but you are so not safe at any moment. And when someone's punched you in the face a bunch of times and you've been in a street fight with some guy you barely knew, you got in an argument with him, there's something about regular safety that's sweeter. It's more delicious. It's more delicious. It's way better to drive your car straight
Starting point is 01:05:22 after you almost lost control on a turn. You're like, wah! And then you get back straight, you're like, whoa. I'm not saying that you should go sideways around corners. But what I am saying is that there's a fucking yin and a yang to this world, man. And you've got to fuel yourself with the fuck-ups. And most people get stuck in these patterns because they define themselves as a fuck-up. Or they define themselves as a person who doesn't follow through on their ideas or a person who doesn't pursue their real interests
Starting point is 01:05:49 and loves you define yourself by that well you know i guess fucking i start things and i quit no you don't no you have started things and you quit and it gives you a horrible sense of regret that's made you define yourself by that you don't have to do that you don't have to do that you got to you got to forgive you got to learn and that. You gotta forgive, you gotta learn, and you gotta fully forgive yourself. And people, you know what you gotta do? Here's a big one, the number one. Here's number one.
Starting point is 01:06:12 Write it down. Yeah. Write down everything you wanna do. And I don't mean crazy shit, like I'm gonna be the Prince of Brunei, I'm gonna have a base in the moon. Shut up. This is what I want you to do.
Starting point is 01:06:21 Write down what you would like to fix about your life. And then if you're 30 pounds overweight, you want to lose 30 pounds? Do it the right way. Start eating vegetables. Monitor your calories. Write down what you eat. Exercise every day. Force yourself to do it.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Say you're the general. The brain is the general. The troops are the body. The troops don't want to listen, but you go, fuck you. You listen. And you get up and you do it. And then you get to write it down. And if you don't write it down, you don't eat.
Starting point is 01:06:46 You don't fuck. You don't jerk off. You don't shower. Write that shit down. So you do it. It's like brushing your teeth. It's not something, I don't want to brush my teeth today. What do you want?
Starting point is 01:06:55 Your teeth to rot out of your head, you fucking dunce? Just do it. Just do it. Make yourself do it. And if you do that, if you write shit down and do that, you can change who the fuck you are. Hey, and guess what, my friends? Today is New Year's Eve. That's right, bitches! The perfect time you write shit down and do that, you can change who the fuck you are. Hey, and guess what, my friends? Today is New Year's Eve. That's right, bitches!
Starting point is 01:07:07 The perfect time to write down stuff and do it. This is what this episode is about. This is the Get It Together Bitches episode. This is the Get It Together Bitches episode. It seems so simple that you just get a pad and it can change your life. A pad can change your life. Just focus on that shit. If you spend as much time as you do looking at something to jerk off,
Starting point is 01:07:24 as like focusing on the problems that you got in your life, focusing on the arguments that you've been in with people and how much of it could have been your fault, how much of it? 30%? If you eliminated that 30%, would it be 100% no argument or would this guy just be an asshole? You know, are you sure? Are you sure it's not?
Starting point is 01:07:41 So two people are at fault here? Yeah. We eliminate possibilities. We look at things rigidly. We accept the patterns as being logical. And all of that erodes when you take psychedelics. And that's why it's illegal, ladies and gentlemen. That's why.
Starting point is 01:07:59 That's why the government's scared. So the other thing, so I think you're right on the money with writing this down. But the other thing, so I think you're right on the money with writing this down, but the other thing you got to do, the other thing you got to do is in order to feel like you deserve the best things in life, you got to love yourself and you have to forgive yourself. And so in order to fully love who you are and feel like you deserve the best things in life, you got to forgive all of these past transgressions. We're not perfect. You got to go back. all of these past transgressions. We're not perfect.
Starting point is 01:08:23 You got to go back. And instead of using this lash to go and lash yourself, I'm a fucking idiot. I'm a fat ass. I'm an asshole. I'm a pussy, whatever else. And you're just constantly, I'm a, you know, just lashing yourself and punishing yourself for not living up to these standards that you have.
Starting point is 01:08:38 You got to stop that shit. And you got to say, listen, I'm not perfect. I'm not a perfect being. I'm here learning and trying to do my best. But I fucking forgive myself for what's happened. That's in the past. That was a different me. You know, I forgive myself.
Starting point is 01:08:53 I love myself. And I deserve happiness. Now you sound like an asshole. Now you're talking shit. And you're deserving all these different things. I deserve a raise. Nope. None of that.
Starting point is 01:09:03 Just happiness. I'd be happy if I had a new Corvette, the fucking kind with the roof. You take the roof off. The only things we as humans deserve is our own self-love and the opportunity for happiness. And community. Community.
Starting point is 01:09:16 You know, it's like the scene in fucking Into the Wild when Dummy dies in the trailer. Right. And he's out there by himself, and he realizes that you can't enjoy nature when you're by yourself. It's something you enjoy more when you share it. For sure. You know, when you go somewhere, you know, if you go somewhere just to be somewhere.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Like, if you're there by yourself, it's really fascinating. But if you're there with someone else and you get to talk about it, it's better. It's better, you know? Yeah, try scuba diving by yourself. It sucks. You're like, oh, did you see that fish? Oh, it was only me who saw that shit. When Brian Callahan and Steve Rinella and I went to,
Starting point is 01:09:50 and Ryan Callahan went to Montana and went hunting, like half of what was amazing about it was talking about it with your friends. Where you're like, this place is fucking crazy. Like we're looking around like, dude, I feel like I'm in a dream. Like this doesn't even seem like a real place on Earth. It seems like I landed on some planet somewhere.
Starting point is 01:10:08 There's no phone towers, no planes flying overhead. There's nothing going on over here, man. Very rarely you'll see a plane. But most of the time what you see is just mountains and hills and a river and no fucking humans, none. And every now and then an animal run for its life scatters across the ground yeah you know like it's fascinating because you're there with your friends and you're looking around you like dude this
Starting point is 01:10:32 place is amazing like this is nuts and like someone else explained to you like Steve Rinello explained that this used to be a fucking ocean it was an inland sea it was like called the Great Western inland sea that's what Montana is and all the through the Missouri River and the breaks. But if I was there by myself, it would be cool. But when you're there with other people, you're like, whoa, this is awesome. You go see a cool movie with your friends. You get out of there like, dude, that fucking dragon's the shit.
Starting point is 01:10:57 You know, right? It's like there's communities, fucking hugely important. It's hugely important for all of us. Being nice and having nice friends and having nice times together and sharing. When you share in joy, it makes your joy amplify. You have a couple of drinks with some friends and some laughs and you're fucking feeling great.
Starting point is 01:11:18 You feel better because they feel great too. If we're out there partying and Ari Shafir's sitting in the corner crying, we'd be like, aw, there's no fun. I can't enjoy my night. My reality is not Ari's. I don't know what's wrong with that silly bitch. We're naturally empathic beings.
Starting point is 01:11:33 It sucks. So if you're being, you know, if you're pulling for everybody else to have this mutually good experience, it's going to magnify. But if you're causing other people to have a negative experience, even if you think you're inoculated to it, you're not. We're empathetic beings. You're going to feel the hurt that you're doing to that person. You might just think it's reality because it's always been your reality. But the reality is, is a cause and effect of what you feel from the world you exist in. Yeah. And those other subconscious levels that you're not really, you don't think are bothering you, but it'll cause Some suffering later. It's just so hard for people to see that because we're so fucking selfish
Starting point is 01:12:11 We want what we want, you know, we want to eat that cookie. Fuck my diet. We want what we want right now I'm gonna sleep tell you guys we want what we want right now, you know And that's like one of the biggest problems with people we get selfish and because of that selfishness We don't realize that like if we're pulling out we're putting out something negative We're also pulling probably the same amount of negativity back from the reaction that our actions give to other people No doubt And we like that that thing of you being happy and having the best time with your best friends And then one of your best friends is crying, what happens to your good time?
Starting point is 01:12:46 It goes away. Your good time goes away. If you're having the best time and you found out that your best buddy, his dog just died, you're like, oh, dude, I'm sorry. Shit. And you hug him, the guy's crying, and like, I'm sorry, man. Where's your good time? Your good time's gone.
Starting point is 01:13:03 It's only a good time if everybody has a good time. The world has to recognize that. It's only a good time if everybody is having a good time. If you are the head vampire sucking the blood of the earth out of a giant iron tube you've shoved into an artery, and then you're shooting everybody who comes near it, and you're defending your land, or whatever the fuck we're doing when we're sucking oil out of the earth.
Starting point is 01:13:25 If that's what you're doing, look how that impacts other people. Look at the effects of what you've done. Look at the effects globally. Look at the effects locally. Look at the effects to your vampire personality. Look at the effects. Look what you're doing.
Starting point is 01:13:39 It's community, dude. You can't enjoy it if everybody else is suffering. And the even more radical belief systems, you know, of the hawaiian kahunas and they would basically say that we are all the same person basically anyway and person is the wrong word but all the same source anyways so it's not even actually in reality not in the dream in the dream it's possible but in reality it's not possible to do something bad to anybody else and not be doing it to yourself because we're all these fragments of the same source. Allegedly. That's what they would say. And that's, of course, a more radical belief. But either way, you know, it's going to either whether you think of it as us being
Starting point is 01:14:19 empathetic beings and picking up on, you know, the energy of them suffering versus us. Or you want to take that radical belief and say, we're all part of the same thing anyways. And so if you're doing harm to some people on this side, even if you can't see it, you're doing harm to the whole dream, you know? Yeah. Well, you know what it's like? It's like, this, this is how I look at it. Like if you were a person who took your garbage out and just threw it in a pile beside your beautiful house, but if you had a beautiful house with a gate around it? And you just threw your garbage over the fence and you created this giant fucking stinking pile of garbage But everything inside the fence is beautiful. What would I say?
Starting point is 01:14:54 I'd say you're doing a shitty job of managing your environment. Like what are you doing stupid? What a stupid idea this is well that is Like how most of life is lived most of life is lived like an asshole that's throwing garbage over the top fence. Like, what's in the ocean? Should we do something about that? Should we talk about that instead of the fucking guy who does fake sign language at the Mandela funeral? How about the fucking garbage thing in the ocean? How about that? You guys want to do something about that?
Starting point is 01:15:20 Like, no. Nobody even pays attention to it. Just throw it over that fence. Just whatever, whatever whatever whatever it's we've done a terrible job of managing our environment terrible terrible terrible job yeah no doubt no doubt i mean i think one of the things that you know all right we're talking about doing things to other people and and of course that a lot of people get that and they say yeah yeah no no you got to be good to people but i of course that a lot of people get that and they say, yeah, yeah, no, no, you got to be good to people. But I really think that a big problem is that people aren't good enough
Starting point is 01:15:49 to themselves. And I, you know, I've harped on this point a few times now, but it's sometimes you give yourself an excuse to be mean to yourself, to be rude, like talk, you know, the things that we say to ourselves, you know, when we look in the mirror, imagine like if you look in the mirror and you're not happy with something about your body and say, oh, you fat fuck. You're disgusting.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Imagine if somebody else came in and said, oh, you fat fuck. You wasn't, you know, it wasn't, you're just joking
Starting point is 01:16:14 is of course, you know, you're like, that is fucking so rude. Rude as fuck. But we do that to ourselves constantly. You know,
Starting point is 01:16:20 we tell ourselves that we're stupid or we tell ourselves we're not good enough. We got to stop that shit too because that is directly affecting many different factors, not only yourself, but how you're going to interact with other people. We got to be better to our fucking selves as well as being better to the rest of the world. But sometimes people can be great to the world, but just ruthless to themselves.
Starting point is 01:16:43 And that shit's got to stop too. Yeah, learn from it. You can be tough on yourself to a certain point by demanding better. I like to call it, and I learned this from Don Miguel Ruiz, a ruthless self-love. Who's Don Miguel Ruiz? He wrote Mastery of Love, The Four Agreements. He's from the old Toltec lineage of knowledge. What does that mean? Old Toltec lineage of knowledge? Well, the Toltec, you know,
Starting point is 01:17:05 they allegedly were the ones who taught Castaneda his philosophy about the warrior path, and they lived in certain parts of central Mexico and kept this belief system intact. Teotihuacan was the place where they lived for a while, and they had, you know, kind of a belief system that has a variety of different tenets. You know, they believed that the world is what they call the mitote, you know, this fabrication of existence, the dream,
Starting point is 01:17:31 basically, is what they call it. And we're at constant war with what they say is the parasite. And the parasite is that Steven Pressfield's resistance. It's that antagonistic force that kind of bears down on us. And we're warriors because we're at constant battle with the parasite, with those negative forces in our mind that are telling us we're not good enough, telling us that we aren't worthy of self-love, that we aren't part of, you know, worthy of the love of creation itself. And so that's kind of his philosophy, but he coined the term ruthless self-love. And that's the self-love of really giving a shit about somebody. So if you see someone, it's like someone who's doing something that you know is really fucked up for them.
Starting point is 01:18:13 If you say, oh, yeah, I love that guy, but I wouldn't tell him that he's really fucking himself up with this. He's got this horrible girl, and it's going to drive his life into the ground. Or horrible guy, and it's going to drive her life into the ground. I like how you balance it out there. Good move. A ruthless self-love is saying, listen, I'm going to tell you what's best for you. Regards. I'll love you either way, but I'm going to make sure that I'm giving you the best opportunity to win. And that's how we should be with ourselves, not coddle ourselves and say, oh, it's okay. It's okay that you didn't start yet. Maybe start next Monday. You know, a ruthless self-lover.
Starting point is 01:18:48 I love myself enough to fucking demand better to say, I want more for my fucking life and I'm going to make it happen and not just say, oh, you know, it's okay, man, you did all right. And then meanwhile, at the other time when you fail, oh, you know, it's okay. But ruthlessly self-love, forgive yourself for their failures, but demand the very best. And that's kind at the other time when you fail, oh, you know, it's okay. But ruthlessly self-love. Forgive yourself for your failures, but demand the very best. And that's kind of the model of how I think we should interact with ourselves. It would certainly give people, if you have more value for yourself, you equate more value to yourself, you also will value more other people as well. It's very difficult for us to value people above our own safety and health and happiness. It's not really within our best interest to do so.
Starting point is 01:19:29 So if we don't value ourself, it's easy to treat other people like shit. I treat myself like shit too. Fuck you. It's like when people throw their cigarettes out the window. Why are they doing that? Well, they're doing that because they treat themselves like shit. Why should they give a fuck about the earth?
Starting point is 01:19:44 Why should they give a fuck about Laurel Canyon? Flick that thing off. And if it starts a fire, wasn't me. Wasn't me. They ain't getting my fucking DNA. They're going to get your DNA from your iPhone. They're going to find out that you were responsible for a fire that they saved the fucking original cigarette butt 35 years ago. And you're going to go to jail.
Starting point is 01:20:00 They're going to suck your blood out and use it to power old people. Old people that control the federal bank. I think that, you know, that, that self-love thing is, uh, it's an important factor that hardly ever gets discussed. I'm glad you brought that up because it is important and it's not a default for a lot of people. No doubt. No doubt. And I think one of the, one of the points that he makes that, you know, I don't know how literal you want to take this, but I think it's worthy of mentioning is he says that a person will only tolerate the amount of abuse from somebody else at levels equal to or less than the abuse that they give themselves. You know, so basically you won't stand for anybody doing anything worse to you than what you do to
Starting point is 01:20:41 yourself. That's just, oh, fuck you, man. But if you're in a constant level of really demeaning and beating yourself up, you will take more abuse from other people. But if you're not in the habit of taking any of that shit and you really love yourself, when someone starts being mean or cunty to you, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. What's up with this? I'm not going to accept this. This is intolerable. Go away. Do something else. Fix your problems. And I think that's something interesting to bear in mind is that we're so bad to ourselves that we allow other people to do that. But if you set that mark to how good you
Starting point is 01:21:16 treat yourself, you're not going to let anybody else fucking run all over you either. Yeah, you won't. And that's a huge problem with a lot of people. I mean, we all know someone that's been in an abusive relationship. And here's a real gender issue that I have a problem with. There's a lot of people out there that for whatever reason, they don't take seriously men that are in abusive relationships with women. They take seriously women in abusive relationships with men because of the violence possibility. There's a violence possibility on the other side as well.
Starting point is 01:21:42 But more importantly, forget about the violence. It's not like violence is like, you know, oh, it's more bad. It's all bad. Abuse, mental, physical, psychological, monetary abuse, all the things that happen to people when they're involved in horrible relationships, they're horrible. We should hate assholes that are girls and assholes that are guys. We should hate assholes that are gay and assholes that are lesbian and assholes that are transgender and assholes that are straight. We should just hate assholes that are girls and assholes that are guys we should hate assholes that are gay and assholes that are lesbian and assholes that are transgender and assholes that are straight we should just hate assholes or at least despise them enough to let them know the error of their
Starting point is 01:22:13 ways that you're fucking up this vibe man it has no it doesn't have any bearing on you having a vagina and this idea that you know a man who's being abused is somehow or another less valuable or less worthy of attention. All abuse is just because someone steals pencils from your office. What about, you know, if someone steals pencils, you see a guy come in your office and steal these pencils and just walk out and you go, hey man, why are you stealing pencils? Yeah. What about what's going on in the Congo right now? You ever think about that shit? You ever think about the Congo? You're worried about fucking stealing people are stealing minerals of the congo They're getting rich these people poor as fuck give me those pencils bitch, and that's really what it's like
Starting point is 01:22:50 It's like yes There's a sliding scale of abuse and it's certainly worse when a man beats up a woman than when a woman yells at a man It's certainly worse because physical danger is involved However, they both suck it sucks. It sucks to see your buddy getting yelled at by his chick. It sucks It sucks to see somebody buddy getting yelled at by his chick it sucks it sucks to see somebody getting tortured in a divorce settlement i've seen people that basically men you know that have this like shock collar on them you know and and the their girlfriend holds the fucking key to this shock collar and every time they step out of behavior that they want or
Starting point is 01:23:19 they start to get too happy or they start to it's like just fucking hammering down on the shot caller this kind of emotional abuse and these emotional controls saying things in front of their friends you know and it's brutal to see i mean of course our heart you know bleeds more for the physical trauma that a man can do to woman because it's just purely unjust and it's hard it's really hard you know for i know people like us to even hear about but that other abuse is is bad as well and legit it's all bad and you know i watched that other abuse lead to physical death i watched it with phil hartman i watched his wife abuse him she used to verbally abuse him in public she used to verbally mock him in public and then she wound up shooting him and killing him yeah so it's not like those people that are doing evil to people they can ramp that shit up okay and all of it's bad because yes
Starting point is 01:24:09 stealing pencils is not as bad as stealing all the coltan in africa you're right however don't steal my fucking pencils get your own pencils you're being a dick you know and when someone's being a dick they're being a dick they're being a dick and kicking your ass well then they're even more of a dick it doesn't mean the first one wasn't a dick as well It's like we've got to acknowledge that all shit behavior whether it's fucking fully ramped up escalated like Phil Hartman's wife shooting them Or whether it's a man, you know yelling at his fucking dog, you know, it's all stupid. It's all abusive. You know, it's all dogs not a good analogy just said mother or wife or something like that
Starting point is 01:24:44 But I'm trying to mix it up. I think we have to recognize that all of that is dependent upon the only reason why it would exist that you would deny that a man being abused is a traumatic and horrible thing as well is either A, you haven't experienced it or B, you hate men. Do you want men to suffer for the things that other men have done? I'm real confused as to why it's okay for you to be sexist. Why is it okay for someone to be sexist as long as they do it under the guise of being feminine or a feminist? That seems crazy. I've actually read that men's rights groups, it was a radical feminist blog, that men's rights groups are completely unnecessary
Starting point is 01:25:25 because feminism will take care of all inequality. If you leave it up to feminism, once feminism has been addressed and women are created equally and paid equally, then we can concentrate on men and the abuse that men suffer. But until that balance is achieved, it's not important to concentrate on men's issues.
Starting point is 01:25:43 I was like, that is cute. That's really convenient. That's a convenient piece of logic. And you got to write it down without being interrupted by someone with a brain that would go, what the fuck are you talking about? When you write things down, like in a blog form or an article that you publish in a magazine
Starting point is 01:25:58 that makes you feel snooty and smart, you're just having an argument and you're not letting other people contribute. You're stating a... That's a cunty way to communicate if you're talking about a person or an idea. It really is. You know, you're writing it all down without anybody interacting. It's one thing if you're having like your point on it, but it's another thing when you're accusing everyone who's concerned about men who get fucked over in divorce court. They don't need to do that. they need to concentrate on women's rights because once women have it's listen stop that's crazy just because it's not as bad to stomp on a frog as it is to stomp on a dog it's still kind of fucked if someone stomps on a frog you
Starting point is 01:26:37 know if you see a guy stomp on a frog in front of you he does that guy doesn't even go to jail do you know that but if he stomps on a puppy, he's going to go to jail. Well, it perpetuates the problem. You know, I mean, if you counteract something that's out of balance with something equally and maybe even more crazily out of balance the other way because you think that'll draw it back, that's not going to work. If you're successful and you take that line, it's just going to cause another reaction the other way. And you're going to get this fucking Hatfield-McCoy bullshit.
Starting point is 01:27:09 You know, really, if you just stick with what's the truth, hey, be good to fucking people either way. Don't be a misogynist dick and don't be a crazy feminist. Be in the middle. Respect each other for what they provide and what they offer and what they bring to this world. And just take the middle line. I think that's a way more powerful way to draw things towards the center where shit is cool. That sounds like rape culture to me. I'm not buying a word of it, warrior poet.
Starting point is 01:27:37 Yeah, fucking for sure, man. But also I think I admire a lot of the radical feminists for one thing that I think is like really kind of cool that they've done. What they've done is got people to debate things that weren't even an issue before. Not an issue, I should say, weren't even on the table before. Like drinking and having sex with someone being rape. Like they've taken this crazy hard stance that anybody who's had any sort of alcohol in them, if you have sex with them, it's rape, including men because they have to do it that way. You have to cover your bases. You can't have a double standard in that sense.
Starting point is 01:28:11 So they're saying women, if your man has had something to drink, do not have sex with him because if you do, he cannot consent. So that's rape. It's absolutely fascinating. Men have an automatic control for that. You drink enough whiskey, you can't have sex. Unless you're like one of those crazy fucking candy flipping dudes who takes Viagra and drinks.
Starting point is 01:28:29 One of those dudes is like, fuck hot health, I'm here for hot dick. If you think about that though, I mean, look what they're saying there. I mean, look what,
Starting point is 01:28:38 you're saying that everybody who has sex with someone who's drinking is a rapist? That's crazy. I think the whole world's a rapist if that's the case. If that's the criteria. But what's important is, look, I don't agree with them on that standard, obviously. But I think what's important is they got the debate out.
Starting point is 01:28:54 All of a sudden people are talking about, I'm talking about it. I wasn't talking about it before, but I should be talking about it because it's fucked. When you read about some story like that story in Ohio where these kids got this girl drunk and passed her around, it's fucking horrific. That's a dehumanizing of a human being. It makes you sick. It makes you feel terrible. No doubt. So like doping people, drugging people, or taking advantage of someone who's personally done it themselves.
Starting point is 01:29:18 They've made a bad decision. They've took a drug. It doesn't mean you can fuck them. That's crazy. And that's now being talked about more i'm talking about it more i've heard people talk about it more i've heard people debate it and argue it in in very strange ways but what i haven't heard is the one thing that i think is the most genius aspect of the whole debate is that they made a discussion now people are forced to
Starting point is 01:29:38 talk about it now people are forced to debate the broad spectrum that we have of intoxication whether it's barely tipsy to uh feeling good to oh shit i shouldn't drive to oh my god i'm gonna throw up to you know to i'm blacked out there's like a lot of shit going on in there and sometimes it's okay to fuck you some of those it's okay to fuck you know some of them it's okay to fuck. You know? Some of them, it's okay to fuck. Like, if you're, like, talking crazy and, you know, you can barely say your words, no, you can't fuck. Yeah. Okay, so it's like, we got to figure out what's rape. We got to figure out what it is.
Starting point is 01:30:13 Is it one drink? No, it's not one drink. Is it two drinks? No. Is it three drinks? It's getting a little rapey. Three drinks gets a little rapey, right? Four drinks?
Starting point is 01:30:21 Ooh, that's kind of rapey. Like, how drunk are you? How much do you weigh? Do you weigh 98 pounds? 98? are you how much do you weigh you ain't 98 pens 98 how much did you the problem the problem i have with this this whole line of thinking though is it's taking sex that can be consensual and fun as this has to be a predatory act yes you know what i mean it can be just sex not only that they want you to maintain the same state that you were when you were wanting that sex after the sex is over. Or you somehow or another have conned them into having sex by pretending that that state was going to stay there because that's the state that you were at when you're trying to get sex from them.
Starting point is 01:30:57 Like if you just come and pass like, God, you're so different. When we're out, you're kissing me and holding my hand and stroking my hair. And now you just want to talk like I'm your buddy? God. You just so take me for granted. Like, oh, my God. Do I have to maintain the same state all the time? Like, if you don't maintain the same state that you're in when you're looking for sex,
Starting point is 01:31:17 somehow or another, you're a bad person. Impossible. Jesus Christ, we're crazy. Yeah. You take all these things. It just boils down to the same thing. Don't disrespect someone don't disrespect someone's don't hang out with cunts either run someone treats you like that you don't even treat me like I'm just be like a princess to you I should be like a queen I should be a queen
Starting point is 01:31:38 you don't treat me like a queen RUN! there's so many you know I think actually, uh, Chris Ryan has a chapter in his book says everybody out of the closet. And basically his point is that we're all spend so much time lying to each other about what we actually feel what's actually going on, you know, and it's just, it's just silly. If we could just be a hundred percent fully open, even if you don't act on it, you you know i'm not saying everybody go out and be polyamorous and do this but at least acknowledge the feelings that you're going through of where you know if you're done having sex with you know your woman and she was fantasizing about somebody
Starting point is 01:32:16 else okay that shit happens no no it does not happen i don't know what you're talking about but then if you're you know and if a beautiful girl walks by and you notice, that's going to fucking happen too. We're fucking monkeys that like sex. We have huge testicles, not like gorillas. Maybe mine are normal. Mine are fine. Just acknowledge what's going on and quit the lying. And at least at that point, you can make fair assessments and not get all offended by all this nonsense.
Starting point is 01:32:44 Do you think that Duck Dynasty guy should cut his beard? Is that what you're trying to say? Is that which that's what I heard what I heard is you're hiding behind that beard sir That beard is covering your need to stuff a cock in your mouth You're trying to make your face as unattractive and sensual as possible By having all this hair grow off of it just to discourage the guy from fucking your face because Doesn't want to be out there with ducks. he just knows that the ducks usually it's only men out there homosexuals think about it beastiality duck hunting if you're a gay guy duck hunting if
Starting point is 01:33:13 you're a gay guy would be like going shopping with girls that are really hot you know look you're hanging around a bunch of fucking manly men you're in a hut in the middle of the swamp out of nowhere no one's around no one's gonna going to know. Come on, man. I'm hard. You're hard. That's what it's like if you're hanging around with a bunch of really hot girls, and they want to take you shopping and cuddle. Let's watch TV together.
Starting point is 01:33:34 Okay. So you're all cuddling in front of the TV, or are you cuddling in front of the fucking ducks, the duck decoys? It's the same goddamn shit. If you had a bunch of really hot girlfriends, they were all your friends, and they were really hot, and they wanted to watch TV with you, and they wanted you to just sit in with them, and you all, you know, you'd pretend
Starting point is 01:33:50 you liked fucking General Hospital, man. You'd pretend, especially if you didn't get any pussy, if you're like some poor repressed gay guy that just really wants a sucker cock, but can't quite commit to it, just fucking can't deal with the reality of his desires. So what does he do? He grows his crazy beard, and he gets in that hut with all these guys, and he just goes, I just want to fuck everyone in this hut.
Starting point is 01:34:08 I just want to stick my one in the mouth, one in the ass and just fuck them back and forth. But no, I'm just going to – there's this evil Satan coming out of my mouth and my assholes. Never shave your balls and grow your fucking face hair until it looks like Rumpelstiltskin. That's what's going on, man. That very well could be. That's a unique theory.elstiltskin. That's what's going on, man. That very well could be. That's a unique theory. That's a unique theory. That's a unique theory.
Starting point is 01:34:28 It's just like you and, oh, they're my friends, but, you know, we just watch TV together. We cuddle, and they put a leg over your leg, and, you know,
Starting point is 01:34:35 it's fucking cold in that place. You gotta cuddle to stay warm. Just like it's cold in the duck blind. Bunch of men. You barely even touch each other because you're wearing down and shit.
Starting point is 01:34:44 It's like, man, this down feels really good on my cock. Does it? What does it feel like? Can you feel when someone touches your cock on the outside? I don't know, man. I mean, I don't think so. Oh, you would if I grabbed it.
Starting point is 01:34:53 Yeah, I bet I would. Come on, man. Let me just see if you could feel it. Let's try it. Let's just try it. I'll grab your cock. Tell me if you feel it. Not sure.
Starting point is 01:35:02 Do you feel it now? Grab it a little harder. Not sure. Do you feel it now? Kind of. I harder. Not sure. Do you feel it now? Kind of. I don't know. Maybe. Wow, you're wearing too many layers.
Starting point is 01:35:10 What's underneath this layer? How many layers you got on? Four or five. Do you think the lower layers are just as strong? Only one in me to tell. The next thing, this guy's sucking your cock in the middle of a fucking duck blind. The other guy's trying to ignore it. They're calling in ducks.
Starting point is 01:35:24 Someone please animate this scene. And post it and send it in, please. You got the script all set out. And over time, that beard morphs into a handle. Brokeback ducks. Once they expect to get mouth fucked, what they do is they'll lie down on their back so they lead their head off the edge of the bed.
Starting point is 01:35:42 You ever see like a Sasha Grape horn when she gets throat fucked? No. Never. I would never do that. Guy gets on top and just unbelievable fucking physics involved here. I don't know where the dick is disappearing, but it's like fucking, it's like going to see, what's his name?
Starting point is 01:35:55 David Copperfield in Vegas. Or Lance Armstrong. Is that the other one? No. He's the fucking biker. Chris Angel. Who's the Lance one? Isn't there a-
Starting point is 01:36:02 Lance Burton. Lance Burton. That's the guy. Not Armstrong. Whatever. That's what that beard is for't there a... Lance Burton. Lance Burton. That's the guy. Not Armstrong. Whatever. That's what that beard is for. Lance Burton made one of his testicles. Lance Armstrong made one of his testicles disappear.
Starting point is 01:36:11 They wrap that beard around the wrist so they can get a real good grip on the face. Just fuck that face. That's why... There's only one reason to have a beard like that. It's like getting your hair pulled. It's the same thing. Why do girls like long hair? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:36:23 But some girls like to get their hair purled. It's a fact. They don't like the end. Don't pull on the end. You could break it. That's right. They want a handful on the back of the head. Not too hard, unless they're crazy.
Starting point is 01:36:32 And if they are, only do it once, and then get out of there. That's what's going on with that beard. He just wants you to wrap your fucking wrist around that bitch. You got to fuck a good hand. I watched Duck Dynasty. I never even thought of that. Like a large sack of potatoes. Like if you had to carry a large sack of potatoes by the very top handle, you'd have to get a very good grip on it.
Starting point is 01:36:48 Because, you know, the logical way would do get underneath that 40-pound sack of potatoes. But if you're going to carry it by the top, you're going to have a fucking kung fu grip. You know what I'm saying? You're going to grab that shit. That's what that beard. A little wraparound. Hold it right there and just ride that pony. around and that's what you get for spewing a bunch of homophobic nonsense. The guy starts talking about assholes out of nowhere that's what's hilarious.
Starting point is 01:37:13 I mean weren't they talking about like ducks, duck calls? Are you on a duck show? And all of a sudden he's like the problem is men's assholes people are choosing that over a girl. Come on guys! Doesn't make any sense. What are you looking at there? Come on why are you choosing that butthole? What on, guys. It doesn't make any sense. What are you looking at there? Come on. Why are you choosing that butthole? What's that all about? What is that all about? Why are you talking about men's butts, man?
Starting point is 01:37:31 Why are you worrying about dudes making choices? Do you get angry when someone orders a fucking espresso? I think it tastes gross. I hate espresso. Come on, guys. Have a cup of tea. Come on, guys. How about a Yoo-Hoo?
Starting point is 01:37:44 Come on, guys guys there's something there you're getting upset about someone's choices we're the only species that aggressively tries to limit each other's pleasure constantly constantly you know like whatever makes a person happy we decide oh that's okay but this isn't okay what the fuck if that makes that person happy and it's not hurting anybody, let's just draw one fucking line. Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody or communally hurt everybody
Starting point is 01:38:11 by hurting the environment. That's it. That's the fucking line. Don't hurt the earth and its creatures, but do whatever the fuck else you want to do that makes you happy. We got problems, Aubrey. There's the yin and the yang again.
Starting point is 01:38:23 You have to have this fucking horrible sense of being restricted in order to really appreciate the freedom. It's a trip. The whole thing is a trip. We're sleeping right now, dude. We're attached maybe by wires, most likely by nanofibers that we can't even see. Probably like some subatomic particles locked in somewhere and some strange dance that tunes us into this bizarre dimension that we like to think of as reality. We knock on things and spill coffee on your laptop and it's got to be real. I had to go to the Apple store. They told me my hard drive was cooked. It's not real stupid.
Starting point is 01:38:56 There is no real. That's the thing. Nothing's real because there is no real. And if nothing's real, if you realize that at the root of all reality is atoms, and atoms are like mostly bullshit, atoms are like a big air balloon. It's like a big helium balloon of bullshit. Like there's a lot of space in there where there's nothing in there. And then you go deep, deep, deep, and then the shit's like moving around and disappearing and reappearing and existing in the same state, spinning and still at the same time. appear in and existing in the same state, spinning and still at the same time, blinking in and out of existence, being able to link up and somehow another communicate with other atoms. Instantaneously, yeah. All across the planet. Like, what is that? That's magic. That's craziness. That's fantasy. And that's reality. That is, that's, is that a hundred percent sure? Yes. We, we know what it is.
Starting point is 01:39:44 reality. That is, that's, is that a hundred percent sure? Yes. We, we know what it is. Okay. So we're, we are living in a dream. We a hundred percent are, even if there's rules to this dream, even if, yeah, you've got to hit your brakes or you will hit the car in front of you. It's still a fucking dream, man. Look at the subatomic particles. Look at the lowest, the smallest thing that we could observe. The smallest thing that we could observe about this universe. It's fucking magic! The smallest thing disappears, reappears, spins and stays still and is there and it's gone and we don't know where it went.
Starting point is 01:40:12 Fuck! Well, the quantum entanglement thing is something that nobody takes far enough. You have these two linked photons, one of them spinning one way. You take it all the way across the world.
Starting point is 01:40:23 You could presumably take it all the way across the universe. You presumably take it all the way across the universe you do something to manipulate the way this one spins and the other instantaneously spins that way as well well what the fuck does that mean how does it happen it's not just an anomaly the only way that i can possibly explain that is that there is some other mechanism of communication that doesn't have to follow these Newtonian laws of sending some kind of signal by light or whatever. There's another fucking dimension. Yeah. You know, there's something else out there that is not explainable by what we think is science. Yeah. As long as the science is correct. And I assume it is because I haven't heard it
Starting point is 01:41:00 criticized. It's not like it's under debate. So those, the guys who understand it agree, it agree at least for the most part i should i'm sure there's probably a few that don't i haven't heard any i don't know i don't i haven't heard it either but i just want to hedge my bets sure but the bottom line is you and i don't even understand what the fuck they're saying but the people who do understand it are pretty much at a consensus that this is actually going on and they just put it in a drawer okay that, that's quantum entanglement. Good. But why? How? What is that? It happens faster than the speed of light. It violates everything. So if that's the case, if that is the case, and it appears to be so, what is going on here? What is really going on here? What is going on here? What is this thing?
Starting point is 01:41:40 You know, Deepak Chopra, who I think, for the most part, is a guy who means well. I really do believe that. I think when I see him talk and I see these speeches that he gives where he gets clowned by actual scientists, especially over the use of the word quantum and things along those lines, I think, at the very least, he projects a much more positive view of the possibilities of living life than a lot of people do. Maybe his jargon is incorrect sometimes he talks about quantum this and quantum that and maybe some of the stuff that he says like cara santa maria who's awesome and very smart she said she she doesn't like him
Starting point is 01:42:13 because he's a woo peddler she called him a woo peddler i fucking love that woo peddler because that's what it is like he'll he'll start talking about the quantum and you know the the spirit and the you know he'll start talking about he'll he'll sell you on a bunch of shit that maybe he doesn't really understand himself you know but at least what he's saying is being fairly positive and this is one of the things he talked about in this debate with richard dawkins and dawkins just like you know dawkins seems to be like a brilliant guy that's tired of dummies. And he's getting a little cunty in his old age. He likes to yell at people and call people ridiculous. And he would say, Deepak quoted someone.
Starting point is 01:42:52 I don't know if he's wrong or right. But Dawkins said, he should sue you. He should sue you for that quote. He should sue you. I mean, this is like, you're talking about the existence of God and the spiritual realm and all these different things that are debating and it's like he should sue you really do you think someone should have to go to court for that for misrepresenting something so silly i don't even remember what it was some some quantum fact you know people love pitting these polar opposites up against each other you know because and then they both battle it out. And really, they're both right about half the shit
Starting point is 01:43:26 they're talking about. Well, Dawkins needs to do drugs. He just does. You know, he always talks about, you know, perhaps I would do psychedelics in a controlled environment, maybe LSD. He's such a brilliant guy, but if he did one mushroom trip, one ayahuasca trip, just one pot brownie
Starting point is 01:43:42 and get in an isolation tank, he would realize, like, oh, my, I could just relax here. Holy Jesus Christ. Let me just sit back here. Okay, there's more people on my side. Okay, okay, I'm very defensive. Let me just sit down. Call fucking Deepak over for tea to talk about his ayahuasca trip. I could have Deepak on the podcast and talk to him and not get angry at him,
Starting point is 01:44:00 even though I think sometimes he's silly. You know, sometimes I think he's silly. But I think he's not silly evil. He's not silly Donald Trump where he wants fucking credit for everything. I created this fucking... He's not that. He's that kind of silly. He's not that dominator silly.
Starting point is 01:44:16 It's a different kind of silly. It's like a silly where he's trying to... He's not the same guy he was a year ago either. He's not the same guy he was 10 years ago either. It applies to him as well. Even though he's public, he's a work in progress like all of us. Not a bad guy. I mean, your criticism is maybe he lost that realization that, eh, maybe I really don't know. Maybe he's lost a little of that humility of saying, I don't really know, but I think this
Starting point is 01:44:38 might be a way. And at least if it's not, it's a good way to think about it that will help you lead a better life. I think William James was one of the guys who really did a good job of that, saying, basically, you know, if I may be right about this way of thinking, but even if I'm not, thinking this way allows me to lead a better life. And I think he was talking about free will. And I think he was talking about free will. And he was basically saying, look, I don't know if we have free will or I don't know if everything we do is based on a causal chain of events that we really can't control. But thinking about free will in a way that it does exist allows me to live a better life. And so guess what? I am a proponent of free will because that allows me to live a better life that way. Cause I feel like I have more flexibility, more choice. I'm a happier person. And I think sometimes people
Starting point is 01:45:29 forget some of that too. You know, I mean, there's something to be said for thinking about things, even if you don't know, you know, think about things in a, in a way that's going to allow you to lead the best life and, you know, way better than if you don't know, anyways, you think about something in a way that fucking sucks. Like, Oh, to hell for sure well if you're wrong in that you've lived a life being afraid and being worried about shit and you were wrong might as well think in a positive way and still you still may turn out to be wrong but hey along the way you lived in a better way yeah sounds like someone's starting a cult that's what what I just heard. I heard Aubrey. Yeah. No, no doubt, man. I mean, there's a, I think it's couldn't, it might not be either or as well. It might be another one of those situations. Yeah. You know, it, uh, it,
Starting point is 01:46:16 there's, I think there's a lot of things going on. There's a lot of things going on in this life. And, um, I think we should acknowledge all of them. We should acknowledge the most importantly, the mystery of it all. That's one of the big things that drives me crazy about someone when they say that this is this and that is that and the way you should live is this and the way the government should do is that and the way we're going to solve this is by that. Maybe not. Maybe not. Are you really so sure that you're paying attention to what the fuck is going on? We're flying through space Like we're on a spaceship if the spaceship was a hundred feet wide you'd be freaking the fuck out right now
Starting point is 01:46:51 The only reason why you're not freaking out is because it's like thousands of miles wide, but it's still a spaceship You're on this spinning fucking thing and at nighttime You could see the space you're flying through and you're spinning a thousand miles an hour in a circle and you're you're flying through and you're spinning a thousand miles an hour in a circle and you're floating around this giant nuclear explosion and that's around other bigger rocks that are flying behind you and gas giants and then other galaxies and other universes and on and on and on and you're just hurtling through it while you're worried about what's on tv and why the walking dead has so many commercials and why gas is four dollars. If you imagine if this was, let's say, put yourself in a position where this really was a dream
Starting point is 01:47:30 and you had a lucid dream where you're aware. Is that what you would want to do with your dream if you were going to sleep at night and you were saying, you would worry about all of these inane things, never actually be in the present moment, never take an adventure, never go on a risk, never love because you could get hurt? No, if you, if this, if you really did treat this like a dream, you would do as much cool shit as possible, you know, put as, put as many good things into that dream
Starting point is 01:47:55 as you possibly could and not, not be so fucking stressed out about all this nonsense, you know? And I think we've been talking a lot. It's kind of been the theme of this podcast but if you actually did if this was a lucid dream you know you would live it in a different way you would live it to have some fun and enjoy i'd be like why can't i fly because all my lucid dreams i want to fly or breathe underwater breathe underwater is cool too that's a good one yeah it would be very strange if one day as it was proven that we are really living in some sort of self-created reality it would be like really traumat one day it was proven that we are really living in some sort of self-created reality. It would be really traumatizing for a lot of people that have fucked it up. They'd be like, this is what I made?
Starting point is 01:48:31 But it's like, remember when you were in school and there was a project and you had to use your hand to make a turkey? And you put your hand down and you drew around. And then everybody did their own little turkey, painted it. And then the teacher would put them up and they would all look at them. Some people's turkeys looked like dog shit. They didn't know what the fuck a turkey looked like. They didn't even know how to draw around their hand. Everything was a disaster.
Starting point is 01:48:51 And other people had beautiful turkeys. Well, your life is a work of art. Your life is like a hand turkey that you make in grade school. You could do whatever you want with that thing. You can make it super dope. You can make it so it looks really cool if you put the effort and time into it, if you really focus on it. Or you could just half-ass that motherfucker
Starting point is 01:49:09 and draw a bunch of squiggly things that don't look anything like fingers, some eyeballs that are floating above a stupid fake turkey head. Yeah. And everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with Bob? He's like autistic or something.
Starting point is 01:49:21 I think one of the coolest pieces that I've seen, and I have to go to the bathroom, so I don't know if you want to play some of it. Piss it out. But it's called Alan Watts Inception is the name of the video on Google. Oh, yeah, that's a great video. Yeah, that's fucking...
Starting point is 01:49:33 All right, we'll play that. We'll play that, and you can take your tinkle. That's got to be at least three minutes. It's four and a half. Four and a half minutes. That's crazy. What a break break this is almost like a commercial but it's alan watts and before you uh take this as gospel remember alan watts drank himself to death and no one's supposed to be able to alter your time sense
Starting point is 01:49:58 and slip say 75 years of subjective time into eight hours of sleep. You would, I suppose, start out by fulfilling all your wishes. You could design for yourself what would be the most ecstatic life. Love affairs, banquets, dancing girls, wonderful journeys, gardens, music beyond belief. And then after a couple of months of this sort of thing at 75 years a night you'll be getting a little taste for something different and you would move over to an adventurous dimension where there was sudden dangers involved of the thrill of dealing with dangers and you could rescue princesses from dragons.
Starting point is 01:51:07 And go on dangerous journeys. Make wonderful explosions and blow them up. Eventually get into contests with enemies. And after you've done that for some time, you'll think up a new wrinkle to forget that you were dreaming, so that you would think it was all for real, and to be anxious about it, because it would be so great when you woke up.
Starting point is 01:51:45 And then you say, well, like children who dare each other on things, how far out could you get? What could you take? What dimension of being lost, of abandonment of your power, what dimension of that could you stand? You could ask yourself this because you know you'd eventually wake up.
Starting point is 01:52:09 And after you'd gone on doing this, you see, for some time, you would suddenly find yourself sitting around in this room with all your personal involvements, problems, etc., talking with me. How do you know that that's not what you're doing? Could be. Because after all, what would you do if you were God? If you were what there is, the Self. In the Upanishads, the basic texts of Hinduism, one of them starts out saying, In the beginning was the Self. And looking around, it said, I am. Thus it is that everyone to this day, when asked who is there, says it is I.
Starting point is 01:53:07 If you were God... I keep hearing this clipping. What is that? Just a video? And in the sense that you knew everything... You would be bored. Because... Because if looking at it from another way, we push technology to its furthest possible development, and we had instead of a dial telephone on one's desk, a more complex system of buttons, and one touch would give you anything you wanted. Aladdin's lamp. You would eventually have to introduce a button labeled surprise.
Starting point is 01:54:00 Because all perfectly known futures, as I pointed out, are past. They have happened, virtually. It is only the true future is a surprise. So if you were God, you would say to yourself, man, get lost. Alan Watts was a bad motherfucker fuck yeah that's a powerful shit
Starting point is 01:54:31 you would have to say surprise me yeah you'd get bored that's it that's a fascinating way of looking at things too fascinating way of looking
Starting point is 01:54:40 at the past and it opens up the possibility to realize maybe this is the best fucking possible world. If you're just sitting around in a place where every future is perfectly known and there's no surprise, what do you want?
Starting point is 01:54:53 You want an opportunity to live in a crazy world like this where shit can go wrong, things can go bad, or things can go brilliantly well. You have genuine surprise. Yeah, it's like that. I was doing a bit about the simulation theory it was basically saying that i mean the bit the basic premise of the bit was like if you were an alien living in some sexless world where you communicate with
Starting point is 01:55:14 thoughts and you don't have a penis and your body is smooth and there's no danger because you literally have control over the very atoms of reality itself you can walk through walls you can never die if that was the case what would you want to do i don't know what i think i might want to drive a mustang get my dick sucked that's what i i had that same thought at this last ufc we were at amazing fucking car yeah and i was thinking at a certain point that aliens if they exist in the world like they're so fucking jealous of us of the chaos because we could we get to experience this and be a part of something that they would never even conceive of doing in their advanced civilization and again i think part of appreciating peace is understanding violence you know in a
Starting point is 01:55:55 certain way or at least some some form of it i've been talking a lot about this lately and something i'm really um starting to dwell on is is that I think it's very difficult for people to get peace without experiencing some sort of pain. And it doesn't have to be pain as far as, like, tragedies in life, you know, horrible relationships, getting fired and becoming homeless. It can also be a fucking absolutely brutal workout. It can also be pushing yourself to run that flight of stairs for that last time where you don't want to and you force yourself to fucking power through
Starting point is 01:56:29 it and you become exhausted but then you're at peace for like the rest of the day accomplishing your goals forcing your body to the limit making your body explode over and over again to get away with all this stored up crazy old primate bullshit that you have clogging up your fucking veins. And that's, that's a real aspect of life that's underlooked and underappreciated and, and, and undereducated. That's not something that people teach. It's not something that people tell you in school. Hey, listen, you guys, you guys all got hard dicks and you're crazy right now. What you need to do is get a fucking sandbag, throw it over your shoulder and run up that hill. Okay. And then go back down and then throw it on the other shoulder and run up that fucking hill. Come on, man. Just do it. Trust me. You'll feel way better. And if you can't do it,
Starting point is 01:57:13 oh, well then you're going to be a failure in life. Do you know that Johnny? Cause there's going to be times in life where you don't want to do something, but you can do it. And when you say you can't, instead of I don't want to, I don't want to feel any more pain. I don't want to feel any more tired. You said can't. You define yourself and you define yourself as a big fat pussy and not even the good kind because most pussies really good. You're the bad kind of pussy. Right. Fat pussy. Pick that fucking sandbag up and run that hill, bitch. Run it. That's why everybody admires the drill sergeant in full metal jacket. As crazy as he was, he knew what it took to make a goddamn fucking soldier He knew that he was gonna scream at you. He was gonna give you any love
Starting point is 01:57:49 Outstanding he was gonna talk to you about psychopaths and reward you for knowing about them when they were talking about like who shot Kennedy Lee Harvey Oswald sir. Yeah outstanding United States Marine You know, he brought you right into it. That's why people like that scene. They like that scene because they know that's what it takes. Yep.
Starting point is 01:58:08 I mean, I think without, we live in a world now where there's none of those physical dangers. You know, we don't have to run from tigers usually. I mean, of course,
Starting point is 01:58:16 some people still do run from tigers. But we don't have people who are trying to attack us and steal our mates and our food and our resources and animals. So a lot of people get too lax and comfortable and thinking, oh, well, fuck it. I don't really need to do it.
Starting point is 01:58:31 But what they're forgetting is that the human organism is designed to work and be a working organ. It's designed to fucking work, you know, and designed to prepare for these situations, even if they aren't real. And so the psychological and physiological effects are more important than the actual, yeah, okay, I could hurdle a fence if a dog was chasing me. Which can occasionally be important. But what's more important is that you're putting your body in that optimal condition for what it was designed to do. It's designed to work. The human body is designed to work. The human mind is designed to solve puzzles.
Starting point is 01:59:07 Altogether, we're here to enjoy a fucking cool-ass dream. Yeah, maybe. Or we're fucking just trying to solve a riddle that's impossible to solve. Trying to pretend that we've got some hole in this crazy experience. Just live your life and don't be a bitch. Be nice and be honest.
Starting point is 01:59:22 Be honest with yourself and be nice to yourself. There's a Buddhist cone, which I've really taken a fancy to. And that cone is, I guess, like a parable. And the parable is there's this man who's walking through the jungle and he sees a tiger and the tiger starts to chase him. And the only way he can get away from this tiger is he sees some vines that are going down the end of a cliff. So he grabs one of the vines and he jumps and he repels down the cliff and the tiger can't climb down the vine and cliff. So the tiger's waiting for him at the top, but then he looks down below and he sees that there's another tiger waiting for him at the bottom of the cliff. So he's kind of fucked. And then up a little bit higher on the vine, he sees two mice, a black mouse, a black mouse and a white mouse. And they're both gnawing
Starting point is 02:00:02 at the vine that he has. And then he says, well, and he looks to his right and he sees a little strawberry patch there. And they have some strawberries. So the man just holds on to the vine, goes, reaches over, grabs a strawberry, and it's the best fucking strawberry he's ever tasted. That's a great story. Yeah, and so the idea is that the tiger on the top
Starting point is 02:00:22 is the pain from your past, you know, and the tiger on the bottom is your worry about the future. And time are these mice that are constantly eating away at your life. And what do you have to do? All you have to do is just eat the strawberries as they come. As soon as I'm done eating that strawberry, I'm drop kicking that tiger on the bottom. What I'm going to do is I'm going to hang on to that rope. And the moment those fucking cunty rats chew through that rope,
Starting point is 02:00:43 I'm going down like a flying sidekick in a Bruce Lee movie right to the top of that stupid fucking tiger's head. He's not even going to know what's happening. No one ever landed on him before. Not the way I'm going to land on him, bro. I'm going to land on him. I knock him out with a sidekick, and then I take his back with the rope, with the remaining rope. See, I've got this shit planned out. If I'm falling any less than, you know, anything more than 100 feet, I'm dead. But I think
Starting point is 02:01:05 I'm at 70 feet, I'm going to sidekick him right in the fucking head. Or at least he's going out with you. Get an Ezekiel choke. I got a strong Ezekiel, bro. That was my number one gi move. Ezekiel chokes are good. Is that like a bow and arrow? What is that? Well, no, no. Ezekiel choke is
Starting point is 02:01:21 a choke where you actually use your collar like this. Oh, yeah. You do it across the face like this. And it's a gi choke. But there's a no-arm Ezekiel choke that someone tried this weekend, but they didn't pull it off. God damn it.
Starting point is 02:01:39 I forget who it was. It might have been the Ronda Rousey fight. No. God damn it. I can't remember. So many fights, so many awesome fights this weekend. But itousey fight no god damn it i can't remember so many fights so many awesome fights this weekend but it didn't work that's why i don't remember it but the no arm ezekiel choke is uh that's not ezekiel uh the no arm ezekiel choke you you essentially have the head uh trapped like this and then you like rear naked choke in the back
Starting point is 02:02:01 like you know like behind like a reverse like rear naked choke that position where you uh karate chop the back of the neck and you choke a guy out with your uh shin across there there you see a ezekiel that's uh ezekiel with uh the gi but he's not doing it right motherfucker don't show me shitty examples the guy's got a shitty ezekiel um but it's um you know when you rear naked choke somebody the arm goes underneath the chin, the forearm goes across the neck, and then you karate chop the back of the neck. You essentially do the same technique, but you do it from the front. And you karate chop the front of the neck.
Starting point is 02:02:32 It doesn't have the same amount of leverage, though. The chin's in the way. But enough to fucking take a tiger down. If a guy like me gets a hold of that tiger, yeah, I'll take that fucking. Can you imagine, you'd land on that tiger. The tiger would fucking, first of all, swat you out of the air like a pom-pom and just drive you into the ground
Starting point is 02:02:51 with all his extra thousand pounds as you're coming down. He probably knows how to kill goats that try to land on him. What's the largest big cat that you think you could take? I don't know if I could take my house cat. I think my house cat knows I know where the food is so they don't give me a hard time. This is a classic video of a tiger jumping up on a guy who's on a fucking elephant. Oh God, look at that. Fuck that guy's arm up too. Just shredded his arm
Starting point is 02:03:15 with just one claw. But the distance those things can jump is just so stunning. And they have razors for hands. I mean, look at this thing jump up and just rip him apart it's so fucked up to see that you're such a weak and soft little bitch came out of nothing yeah you're looking out of that field you don't see shit well that's the thing about these things in the grass in India especially you know there was a bit in my Space. I'd be mowing lawns all over the place in India. You do not want to let your lawn overgrow.
Starting point is 02:03:49 There was a bit in my Talking Monkeys in Space comedy special that was about a true story about the Sundarbans, where over the last 200 years, tigers have killed 300,000 people in the Sundarbans. What? Yes. Yeah, over the last 200 years, I'll say it again, tigers have killed 300,000 people in the Sundarbans what yes, yeah over the last 200 years. I'll say it again tigers have killed 300,000 people they kill people all the fucking time there And there's a story that I told them in my special about this one tiger that killed three men on a boat of five Swam out to the boat, and I didn't even know tigers could swim but apparently they'd swim faster than five guys can row a boat climbed into the boat killed the guy dragged his body to the shore
Starting point is 02:04:29 dropped it off hopped back in the water swam back out to the boat killed another guy took him into the water drag did it three times killed three guys in a boat of five and they just do it all the time and they say that because of the typhoons, you know, the people there are extremely poor, and a lot of them, they live in, like, rural villages, and when the floods hit, like, if there's typhoons, a lot of people die, and the bodies get into the river, and the tigers become accustomed to the taste of human flesh because of this. And then there's another theory about the water there,
Starting point is 02:04:59 because the water there is very brackish, and the tigers have no other water to drink. So this heavy salt-content water apparently irritates the fuck out of them. It makes them extremely aggressive because they're constantly agitated. So their body's like, and they just fucking bitch. And they just jump in that water and roid rage on you and pull a fucking person out of the boat. If it's that prevalent, you'd think they would be a little bit better at fighting off tigers. They protect them.
Starting point is 02:05:25 They protect them. They protect them. Yeah, but at least you have to defend your life when it happens. Not like saying going out and hunting them. Obviously, we know how to deplete a species from the face of the earth. But I'm saying even the Maasai, the way they design their spears are partly for people, but also partly for fucking lions. So that they don't even fear the lions, really, when they're in a group with their...
Starting point is 02:05:45 Because they have, you know, they know they got the range on them, but they can't get to them. At least fucking... I watched the Knife Channel QVC. At least get one of those, you know, $10 ninja swords that you can keep that motherfucker away from.
Starting point is 02:05:58 I don't think you understand what a tiger is, son. A ninja sword ain't gonna do a goddamn thing. You're never gonna get it off. I'd be much happier with that, especially if he's swimming up to your boat. You got no chance. You got no chance. They're going to get you.
Starting point is 02:06:09 It's so big. You're not going to hack through all that meat. It's going to get in there. It's going to be so mad at you for cutting it. It's going to rip you to little pieces, dick first. Yeah, I think so. The animal, it's like saying, if I fought Tyson, what I would do is,
Starting point is 02:06:21 first of all, I'd poke him in the eyes, then I'd kick him in the nuts. There's always that one guy that you talk to that had a plan. Oh, bro, they never fuck with me. I'd bite. I'd Tyson, what I would do is first of all, I'd poke him in the eyes, then I'd kick him in the nuts. There's always that one guy that you talk to that had a plan. Oh, bro, they never fuck with me. I'd bite. I'd bite motherfuckers. We didn't know Tyson bit people back in the day. But that's what people think. They think how they would deal with a tiger. Maybe so.
Starting point is 02:06:35 You can't do a goddamn thing. But I would definitely have some... Oh, shit. Yeah. I would definitely have some better plan. That's a tiger being nice. That's playing. You have no chance. If that thing was angry at you, goddammit, Oh, shit. Yeah. I would definitely have some better plan. That's a tiger being nice. That's playing. Yeah. You have no chance. If that thing was angry at you, goddammit, there's no chance.
Starting point is 02:06:50 Unless you have guns. I'll fucking boom. I'll punch a hole through your reality, son, if I have a rifle, a high-powered rifle. Yeah, I'll fuck a tiger up with a rifle. But I wouldn't want to. You know how intent you would be on making the with a rifle, but I wouldn't want to you know how Intent you would be on making the shot correctly how much you'd be fucking shaking if there was a tiger in the water And you know you only have a certain amount of space to hit this motherfucker You have what if you pull the trigger it goes click and you got a bad bullet fuck
Starting point is 02:07:17 How many seconds did take for that thing to get on you you're dead you're dead man. I saw that fucking video They were selling craziest videos of 2013 this dude goes to assassinate somebody giving a speech. Have you seen that? I saw that. And he runs up, has the gun right to his head, and gun jam right there. And then the fucking security guards just beat the shit out of him. That was crazy. That was the craziest shit.
Starting point is 02:07:38 That was Russia or something along those lines? Something like that. What's that? Bulgaria. Bulgaria. Wow, that's crazy. That was some wild shit. Yeah, man, that shit goes down.
Starting point is 02:07:46 Well, how about Kim Jong-un? Look at that guy who just walked up to him, pulled the trigger, and nothing. What do you do then? You shoot for a double, son. No one's shooting that. There you go. And then what do you do when you get him down? Where's the soccer kicks, folks?
Starting point is 02:07:58 You got the guy down. No one's soccer kicking him. Are you crazy? This guy had a gun. You're supposed to soccer kick the shit out of that dude. There's the soccer kicks. I saw a little. I didn't see enough.
Starting point is 02:08:07 There's a little sidekick action. There we go. Yeah, they're stomping. Why are they holding people back? Oh, there's a little kick to the head. They're not doing a good job of holding him down. The guy's got good fucking takedown defense. I'll give him that.
Starting point is 02:08:19 Strong guy. They should kick that guy. Why are you punching him? You're going to hurt your hands. He's going to get teeth marks all over him. When he's down stomp stomp stomp wow
Starting point is 02:08:28 they're beating the shit out of him I think they're using their phones now yeah it's not good enough these kids still gotta keep kicking lazy bitches that guy's gonna wake up
Starting point is 02:08:34 keep kicking you're not done yet that was some crazy shit I mean imagine you just just knowing that you're that guy and your life was saved
Starting point is 02:08:44 by a gun jam. How about the North Koreans? Kim Jong-un killed his uncle. He's like, yeah, you know what? I'm fucking done with you, dude. Killed his uncle and then gave his wife some sort of a raise. Gave his wife some new promotion. The guy he killed gave his wife a gig.
Starting point is 02:09:00 Wow. Like, whoa. Whoa, son. And it's his uncle. He's like, yeah, can't have you around anymore. And Dennis Robbins is like, listen, man, I'm just going over there to play basketball. Dude has some problems with his uncle. I don't know nothing about all that.
Starting point is 02:09:15 Dennis Robbins is still going to go over there and play basketball. It's a weird fucking world. Dennis, don't do that. Dennis wore a wedding dress to his wedding. I know. Could you imagine if Dennis was the guy that talked this guy into peace and harmony? What if Dennis goes over there with MDMA? Kim Jong's uncle killing removed filth.
Starting point is 02:09:32 Wow. Wow, that's what he said? Removed filth. The guy was filth. Hey, we don't know. Maybe his uncle was a real piece of shit. How about that? That's possible too.
Starting point is 02:09:42 I'm just talking a lot of junk. I'm still stuck on your Dennis Rodman bringing some MDMA over there. That's the move. He's got access. You know he does. Oh, you know he does. If he got Kim Jong-un like super – maybe he did. Maybe that's why Kim Jong-un killed his uncle.
Starting point is 02:09:55 Maybe he just realized like my uncle's an asshole. Everybody else is so cool around here. There's only one way for peace on earth. Maybe he said some shit about Rodman. Could be. Fuck that Rodman. Yeah. Fuck that Rodman. Yeah. Fuck that big nigga
Starting point is 02:10:06 and his pills. What? What'd you say, uncle? These fucking racist bastards. Shoot him! And the wife starts crying. There's good news and bad news.
Starting point is 02:10:20 The bad news is he's dead. The good news is he can't tell you not to buy shoes anymore. Right. Okay, and I'm gonna to give you a raise. Let's get him to buy all kinds of shoes. You got a raise.
Starting point is 02:10:28 Rodman's bringing some of the good molly. We both know that guy was a dick. All right, speaking of dick, you ever seen Robin's dick? Do you want to? Because I know him. It's always wet. It's like a snake. It's black like the night and looks like the alien's tongue.
Starting point is 02:10:42 It comes out. It's almost like it's lubed from the jump. Dripping, glistening. It has a shell. Like the teeth on the alien. I'm going to pull those teeth out. And the fucking, all that saliva's dripping. Turns out that Dennis Rodman's testicles
Starting point is 02:10:59 don't exude sweat, but rather saliva. Could be one of those science shows. Is it true that Dennis Rodman's penis drips saliva? Ding! Yes! In a very unusual circumstance that science has yet to explain,
Starting point is 02:11:16 they've recognized that Dennis Rodman is of a special species of dick slinger. Self-lubing dick slingers. In order to compensate for his overtly large member. Yes. It just exudes lube that's far more viscous than astroglide. They're fascinated by this lube.
Starting point is 02:11:36 And they're like, this could solve friction in the universe. His lube is so good, they're going to use it for motor oil now. They're going to clone Dennis Rodman's dick saliva. Subways will go 30% faster using compound isolators. Pistons will get 10% more miles per gallon when they travel through Dennis Rodman's cock saliva than like Mobile One. Mobile One's inefficient. That's not good. It gets hot.
Starting point is 02:12:01 So what? It can get hot, real hot. Dennis Rodman's saliva never boils. Look that it's athlete son his dick's probably like my arm i would reckon so is there any better way to end this podcast tell me i think we've gone full circle yeah let's talk about those these crazy vitamin tests because i wanted one of the things i wanted to talk to you about uh when we're here is one of the things that you and i talked about on the phone about um this weird fucking vitamin study that came out where they're like you know multivitamins don't do any good and can fact possibly harm case closed and they they based it on these three ridiculous studies that are so
Starting point is 02:12:42 ridiculous in terms of the context of saying that vitamins don't help you. It's so irresponsible what they said in relation to their actual findings that I almost feel like they're trolling. I almost feel like they wanted to get people to talk about it or they wanted to get it out there because someone, whether it's the pharmaceutical people or whoever perceives supplements and vitamin supplements to be some sort of a competition is trying to discredit the idea that scientific analysis of nutrients and extracting them in a very specific form, knowing that very specific form has a very specific reaction in the human body is nonsense.
Starting point is 02:13:19 Why are we giving people shots of B12? Can you explain why vitamin C cures scurvy? What the fuck are you saying? Multivitamins don't help. They're no good? Really? And based on what? Now tell the people based on what.
Starting point is 02:13:31 Now this is where it gets squirrely. Yeah, so they did the three studies. And one of the studies that they showed, and basically, you know, first of all, these are just run-of-the-mill, cheap as they come multivitamins. A lot of synthetic sources. You know, certainly not the optimal way to do it. Those hard-ass, one-a-day things. Exactly. So they give these people who had already suffered one kind of heart attack or some kind of cardio failure of some sort, and then they give them multivitamins and see if they reduce the
Starting point is 02:13:59 amount of continued problems that these people have with their hearts. Well, at the point that you already had a heart attack and then you give somebody multivitamins, maybe that's not enough to stem the tide of degenerative heart disease. So that study showed no benefit from multivitamins. They did another one in studying people who were at high risk for a cognitive decline, older men at age 65 and over. And they gave them multivitamins and multivitamins didn't show that they cured the potential for Alzheimer's and degenerative brain conditions.
Starting point is 02:14:32 And so they take these studies and then there was some other study where actually it did show some, some benefit that they kind of lumped in there, but they take these and then they say, make this absurdly broad statement, multivitamins don't work, case closed. And then a lot of the headlines said supplements don't work, case closed. And so what, you know, obviously this is saying that in these two specific, very high risk instances, some very cheaply made multivitamins aren't going to be enough to change the tide of events that are going to happen. But then you can look at a lot of other events. And I think probably I listed in my article, I listed five of the PubMed studies
Starting point is 02:15:10 that are out there. And some are showing benefit for mood. Some are showing different benefit for quality of life markers in double-blind placebo-controlled studies with these very same multivitamins. But the most telling one, I thought, was they did a study where they took juvenile delinquents and they gave some of them multivitamins, some of them a placebo. And then they studied their rate of recidivism, their rate of delinquency. And there was a 50% improvement in those people who received the multivitamins. Well, not only that, two of the three things, this is important that you talked about earlier, of the three studies that they cited, two of the three were negative. One was fairly positive.
Starting point is 02:15:49 Yeah. This is the fairly positive one. A previously released study concluded that limited evidence supports any benefit from vitamin and mineral supplementation for the prevention of cancer or cardiovascular disease. But two trials found small, borderline, significant benefit from multivitamin supplements on cancer in men only and no effect on cardiovascular disease. So shitty vitamins to people who are dying helped a little. Yeah, helped a little. Okay, why is that saying that vitamins don't work? And the idea that all vitamins are created equal is preposterous.
Starting point is 02:16:22 It is. equal is preposterous. It is. And by saying multivitamins, you're including plant-based vitamins, extractions, plant extractions from super nutrient-dense foods that have been shown through rehydration to have significant health benefits. Absolutely. What are you talking about? Like, what exactly are you guys doing and why are you doing it? Because it seems like you're trying to get people unhealthy. Why wouldn't you spend, I mean, that doesn't make any sense at all. Why wouldn't you spend time studying the difference that doesn't make any sense at all. Why wouldn't you spend time studying the difference between multivitamins in that form and say like a superfood supplement
Starting point is 02:16:49 or massive amounts of dietary greens, dried greens. What if you add that to your diet three times a day? How much of an increase would that have in the benefits of health? How about let's study healthy people and see if we can keep them healthy instead of waiting for old dudes that have already had heart attacks and see if a hard pill fixes them.
Starting point is 02:17:07 Like, what kind of stupid fucking study is that? Yeah, it's really bad how that all came out, and especially because most people just read the headlines, and so they'll use that excuse. And a lot of the headlines are generalizations, you know, and the headlines say, case closed, supplements don't work. I saw that as a headline on a bunch of things. First of all, that's not true. I mean, yes, these studies were valid for these type of vitamins in these type of conditions, but there's also tons of studies that show positive benefits, you know, and it's just really a shame when that starts to happen. And it makes
Starting point is 02:17:38 you question, you know, in those situations, you follow the money, who's to benefit from blowing this out of proportion the wrong way. And, you know, there's a lot of money in sick people and, you know, and I don't know how much that plays into effect. Look, I don't have, I don't have the, the, the vision to see behind all the scenes of what's going on, but it makes you at least question why this is getting so ridiculously out of proportion. And even if not, even if, you know, we're being conspiratorial and seeing things that way. And even if what's really going on is that people wanted to get attention for their work. And so they trolled us. And they said, case closed, and everybody bit. And so then their work got published and downloaded, and everybody got excited about it. And then there's people,
Starting point is 02:18:16 I told you vitamins are nonsense. Those nonsense haters. There's a lot of people that hate nonsense in any shape or form. And if you show up, mushroom's going to save the world. a lot of people that hate nonsense in any shape or form. And if you show up, mushroom's going to save the world. Nonsense. And those nonsense lovers or nonsense haters, they just go right along with it.
Starting point is 02:18:32 And, you know, you get people to pay attention to you. We got people to pay attention to this guy. I don't even know who the fuck this guy is. You know, I don't know who made those studies. I don't know who concluded it or why they published it, but I do know that it made me talk about it. Yeah. And that he was successful in doing that. Really interesting, interesting world. You know, I think, I think the good thing
Starting point is 02:18:48 is, is that, you know, the people who are really paying attention, hopefully can dig a little deeper and go through the bullshit. I think if this came out, you know, before pre-internet, and this was just all over the news, it gets way more damaging. You know, there was a, there was a report that caught wind like this about MDMA that, you know, talking to the guys at MAPS, they're still dealing with the fallout from some of this. They did a study on MDMA that showed, you know, high levels of neurotoxicity. And it just hit every piece of news. It was right along.
Starting point is 02:19:17 And everybody picked it up and the whole world kind of took notice of it. And then about two years later, they went back and looked at the compounds used and said, oh, whoops, that wasn't MDMA. That was speed. And then so they write a retraction. Too late. Too late. Everybody said, oh, MDMA, fucking melt your brain, bro.
Starting point is 02:19:39 Because they got that first bit in and then the internet wasn't there to debunk it. The people weren't there to debunk it. The people weren't there to debunk it, and it just didn't take off. And now, still, that's a headwind preventing people from getting really solid PTSD and other types of psychological care because of some of this misinformation that came out. Yeah, it gets real tricky because if you're not the type of person that's online researching this stuff every day, when these stories come out and you sort of recite what you've heard you could fuck up some people around these lives because you know they could they could really believe some of the things that people have uh falsely if the problem is it's impossible to take it out once it's out there it's impossible to take
Starting point is 02:20:19 it out so if you start telling people the vitamins aren't going to help you and vitamins actually could have helped them like god man you're kind of responsible for them getting fucked up. Like, if people get sick and that sickness could have been prevented because of vitamins, like, God. Pretend that your diet is not important. Pretend that supplements and nutrition is not important. But what is nutrition? Do we know the basic elements of food that are nutritious? Kind of, yeah, kind of do.
Starting point is 02:20:46 You know why? Science. That's what people are like, you know, like, there's no science behind these vitamins. How the fuck do you think they got there? Do you think hippies made vitamins? Do you think hippies know the difference between vitamin A and B and C and D? Come on, son. This is all science.
Starting point is 02:21:01 Science has figured out these vitamins, okay? Yeah, there's rocks that you swallow. Those blue rocks. Those aren't so good for you. Yeah. You know why? Because your body doesn't know what the fuck that is. Yeah, it doesn't look like food.
Starting point is 02:21:12 It's so far from food. Your body doesn't know why. It's throwing some stomach acid on it, but it seems like nothing's happening. Let's just shit this out, dude. Let's just shit this out. I think we're supposed to eat the rock, dude. No. Come on.
Starting point is 02:21:24 The fucking guy upstairs is not that stupid. He's not feeding us rocks. It snuck in, man. Somebody probably put're supposed to eat the rock, dude. No. Come on. The fucking guy upstairs is not that stupid. He's not feeding us rocks. It's snuck in, man. Somebody probably put it in his mouth while he's sleeping. This is stupid. No doubt. Fucking blue rock. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:33 I mean, eat a healthy diet. Eat a varied and balanced diet. And when you want to get these nutrients, you know, go to the most natural source possible. You know, go back to the Himalayan salt. It has great minerals that are, you that are difficult to get in the soil that keeps getting overused. Fresh vegetables. Fresh fruits. Fresh vegetables and fruits. And if you can't get fresh vegetables and fruits,
Starting point is 02:21:52 well, get the freeze-dried, powdered stuff. And take that as well. It'll help cover your bases. And ready for this? Game meat. Game meat. That's what I love, dude. I am addicted to deer meat. Game meat. Game meat. That's what I love, dude. I am addicted to deer meat. Venison is fucking spectacular.
Starting point is 02:22:09 I feel better when I eat it. It tastes better. I feel better about the whole process. Knowing that this animal lived totally wild until it got hit by a bullet. And the food is fucking fantastic for you. Lean and rich in vitamins. And these animals are out eating. You know, the other way to get around it, if you're eating an animal that's eating tons of varied greens and really doing great things for its health, well, that'll pass through to the meat.
Starting point is 02:22:34 That nutrition will pass through. So that's how a lot of people used to get their nutrition. Yeah, maybe they didn't eat the grass. But guess what? Their animals that they were eating did eat the grass. And they did eat the berries. And they did eat all the other stuff. So that stuff passed through, and you get that with game meat or grass-fed beef.
Starting point is 02:22:49 I have a perfect example, too, with my chickens. My chickens eat grass. I let my chickens free-range during the day, and they eat grass, and their yolks are like this bright orange. It's like this really rich orange. And then I'll go to a diner, and I'll order some eggs, and you give your regular egg. It's pale yellow. It's dead. It's a dead yellow egg. I never knew, man. I always knew. I thought an egg
Starting point is 02:23:10 was an egg. Eggs are good for you. I thought an egg was an egg. High in protein, lots of essential fatty acids and all that stuff. I just thought it was just eggs. No. No. My eggs taste different, man. These chickens, first of all, these chickens, they live in a yard where they run around and they all live
Starting point is 02:23:25 together they have like this little community and they have plenty of space and they eat you know fucking grass and shit like one of them got ganked though i don't know who ganked it either was my dog suspects my dog was one suspect he might have ate the whole thing because there's no feathers if it was my dog it's very clever what he did hot more likely hawk i think a hawk got it because there are a lot and it was a little dumb one's very clever what he did. Could have been a hawk. More likely a hawk. I think a hawk got it. Because there are a lot, and it was a little dumb one. We have a bunch of different kinds of eggs, or a bunch of different kinds of egg-laying chickens.
Starting point is 02:23:52 But there's a big difference in the way their food tastes based on their diet. If I leave them in their pen, their big house thing, and just feed them in there, you know, they have this big walk-in thing. They have plenty of room. Even if I didn't, like, let them out in the yard, there's plenty of room for them to get around. But their food tastes different. The eggs they produce taste different.
Starting point is 02:24:09 They don't taste so good. They don't look so good. They're missing something. When they're out there picking in the grass all the time, it just comes back awesome. All these shortcuts that we make due to our food and think it's not making a difference, it all adds up. It all adds up. The closer you can get to the natural state of how we evolved alongside to eat,
Starting point is 02:24:29 the healthier you're going to be, the happier you're going to be about yourself and your health. I want you to ask yourself, why is there corn in my shit? Ask yourself that. Why'd that go through? What happened in my body that it didn't? Is that not food? What's going on here? Why is that? These corns just floating around? It went
Starting point is 02:24:47 all the way through the whole machine. It came out as corn. It doesn't even come out chewed. Swallow a spoonful of corn. It just comes out looking exactly like corn. It's like deflated corn. Like whatever's in it is gone, but the outside's still there. It just kind of rehydrates something else. How tough is that stuff?
Starting point is 02:25:04 Except popcorn. Popcorn seems to go right through. Popcorn seems to get smashed up. And, you know, cornmeal, fine. Everything's good. But popcorn, or corn corn, like corn on the cob, that shit comes out weird. Maybe we shouldn't be eating that. Eat the purple corn. That stuff's good for you.
Starting point is 02:25:20 But yet, why is corn so yummy? Answer that with a little butter. Tell me what's wrong there. There's something absolutely delicious about corn with butter, even if you shit it out. Even if it's bad for your heart. A little butter, a little grass-fed butter, a little Himalayan salt and some non-GMO corn. You got a barbecue
Starting point is 02:25:36 party there, Joe Rogan. So is blue corn non-GMO corn or did they fucking smurf that shit? They could fuck that shit up too, but the purple corn from Peru is really good. One of the highest antioxidant levels of any food in the world.
Starting point is 02:25:49 Really? Can we grow it up here? Or is it like cocaine? I don't know. I don't think it grows particularly well here. Damn it. Super high altitudes in Peru.
Starting point is 02:25:56 But we need to get Monsanto on the fucking GMO tip. Yeah, they'll modify that shit right up. Modify that shit so we can grow some healthy. Grow it in the goddamn Everglades after they're done with it.
Starting point is 02:26:04 Yeah. Grow it on the moon in a fucking Frisbee. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're out of time. But this was awesome, as always. This is the New Year podcast. So it was kind of a little on the self-helpy side. But I think we do that for our own benefit as well as for yours. These are just ideas we bounce around on.
Starting point is 02:26:23 We're just figuring it out ourselves still. But one of the reasons why we're able to do this is that you guys are listening, that we couldn't just sit here by ourselves and have this go out into a vacuum. It wouldn't be the same thing. It is much like subatomic particles. It relies upon the observer.
Starting point is 02:26:42 Absolutely. The observer affects the outcome. Thank you to you guys. Yeah, you guys are all a part of this in some weird way, and I don't understand it any more than you understand it. Thanks to everybody who came out to Vegas this weekend. We had a great fucking time, and we're going to do more of those big, nutty shows
Starting point is 02:26:56 with Joey Diaz, Ari Shafir, and Brian Callen. That was like the first one that we did at the Mirage, and it was fucking insanity. It was one of the more fun shows I've ever done. It was probably the hardest I've laughed in a long fucking time. It was beautiful. Oh, my God. It was fantastic.
Starting point is 02:27:11 Happy New Year, everybody. But remember, there is no New Year. It's all bullshit, okay? You're just alive now. This is the only time that's real. If you have kids, I get it. If you have a needy boyfriend or girlfriend that likes to fucking go, three, two, one, woo!
Starting point is 02:27:27 But live in the now. Live in the present. Eat the fucking strawberries. And be nice to each other. And if you want to keep in touch with me, I'm putting a lot of love into my Facebook page. It's probably the best place right now. Facebook.com slash WarriorPoetUS, just under Aubrey Marcus.
Starting point is 02:27:39 And on Twitter, the same thing, right? WarriorPoetUS. WarriorPoetUS. WarriorPoetUS. And I'm just Joe Rogan. And I don't even read my Facebook, so don't Poet US. Warrior Poet US. Warrior Poet US. And I'm just Joe Rogan. And I don't even read my Facebook, so don't message me there. That shit's ridiculous. I can't.
Starting point is 02:27:50 Too much. You've got to choose. It's too long. You've got to choose Twitter. I go with Twitter. It's only 140 characters. I'm going with Facebook. Find me there.
Starting point is 02:27:56 Good. Perfect. Beautiful. Everybody's different. Okay. We love the fuck out of you. Much love. We will see you soon.
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