The Joe Rogan Experience - #438 - Dr. Mark Gordon

Episode Date: January 8, 2014

Dr. Mark Gordon is the Medical Director of Education at Access Medical Laboratory and is recognized as a top leader world wide in Interventional Endocrinology (Anti Aging Medicine).

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. My friend. This, ladies and gentlemen, this is my friend Dr. Mark Gordon. And Mark Gordon is, you're not just a doctor, you're a fascinating dude. And when I first met you, one of the first things I said was like, this motherfucker needs his own podcast. Because you can just talk.

Nobody can spit out information. I've been alive for 46 years. Never met a guy who can spit out as much impressive information as you that quickly when it comes to like the body. It's my escape. At home I have four women. So who gets to talk at home? Right. Not me. Yeah. It's so outside the world. I get to share what I do inside. You get shut down. I get shut down. Wow. But you have a lot of information, dude. Every time I talk to you, I wish I had like a

notebook or I wish I was recording it because I'm, I always try to remember as much as possible. And you've given me some great advice as far as uh you know health and fitness and exercise and all sorts of different you know things that you know about but I always walk away from every conversation you know I know I forgot something I know I didn't remember something like the last time we were talking you were telling me about some shit that helps your liver after you drink and you take this what is this what is it unbelievable glutathione pull that thing closer to your face so people hear you better. Glutathione. Glutathione. And that helps your liver when you drink alcohol? Well, it helps you with just about anything that the liver is responsible for digesting or metabolizing. As you metabolize certain drugs, chemicals, and so forth,

the liver uses up its ability to continue the process, so it spills over into the blood, and that's how you get drunk because your liver can only deal with a certain amount. So if you replenish or replace the glutathione in the liver, you get incredible benefits of it. Not only does it help with metabolism, but it's an incredible antioxidant for the brain and for the eyes and for the heart. What is it made out of? It's three amino acids that are together. It's in our body, but we don't have enough of it to really generate the metabolism that we need if we're drinking.

Now, where do they get that? Where do they get glutathione? Because I know Dave Asprey's really into that stuff too. He has a version of it. Yeah, it's manufactured. But how do they make it? What is it? Well, it's three amino acids that they put together. And the products that we interact with are, it's a delivery technology where you wrap the vitamins or you wrap the supplement in a, what's called a liposome, which is like a cell wall. It's from lecithin. It's from soy. a cell wall. It's from lecithin, it's from soy, and it protects whatever it is that you're ingesting because a lot of the things that you take, like I think I shared with you, if you take a thousand milligrams of vitamin C by mouth, you only absorb 19%. The rest of it's

destroyed by the acid that's in the stomach. But if you wrap it in this protection called the liposome, you'll be able to absorb 93%. So taking something like glutathione, which normally when you take it in its natural form, it's destroyed. Most of it is destroyed and then absorbed and then remanufactured in the blood. But if you wrap it in this protective outer coating, a liposome, you can absorb it more readily. And the effects are unbelievably positive. For instance, a gentleman who went out drinking three highballs and five shots of tequila went home and subsequently was very dizzy, nauseous. He forgot that I gave him a sample of this glutathione and he used four puffs under the tongue, held it for 30 seconds, and then 30

minutes later, clears the bell, woke up the next day, went out partying again, couldn't get drunk. What? That sounds like nonsense. It isn't nonsense. I wish I was smart enough to call you on your bullshit. Talk to my office. Aaron will tell you everything. That sounds crazy.

Maybe that guy was lying. Maybe he wasn't that drunk. Well, I can't tell you who it was if I told you who it was. You would know? He's a hammer, hammer fist. He knows how to throw them down? He knows how to throw them down. Well, you're giving people some false hope, man. You're tell them take glutathione and don't worry about that you're drinking well no everything in moderation but if you go across that line you need to have something

to fall back onto i need to try that now but i don't want to get drunk enough to try it i'm scared to get drunk enough to try it but but it sounds like a smart thing to try you know for years uh you know i take the kids to mexico every year and I take a bottle of scotch with me. And I sit and read a book and drink the scotch over a period of a couple hours, and I turn the bottles empty. My kids go and get me some mojitos, and I continue drinking. I don't get drunk. And it turned out that one of the products that I was taking had a very high amount of reduced glutathione in it. So when I got exposed to the glutathione world, which was just last year with Dr. Christopher Shade, who's one of the gurus in the area of glutathione technology and absorption, he introduced it to me and it made sense, reading the literature on how it functions in the liver.

That's pretty fascinating. It's great stuff. And there's also the dehydration that comes from alcohol consumption. What's the mechanism behind that? Well, alcohol is a diuretic. It causes you to go to the bathroom. And since you used all those colorful words earlier, I'll use the word that makes you pee. Right. Like a horse.

You mean like bad words I use? Yeah, bad words I use. Yeah, I use those. Come on, fella. I was going to interrupt you and say, you can say those words on this? Yeah, this is just the internet. This is just the internet. Well, it should be that way.

I mean, if you and I were sitting down just having a conversation, we would talk like two normal people. Absolutely. We're not vulgar, awful people, but occasionally the word fuck is the right word. Absolutely. It's the right word in about every tense of the English language. We robbed of that freedom by television because people are pretending by not saying fuck on television that people don't say fuck in real life. So you're never going to really believe what you see on television. There's always going to be this bridge that you're not willing to cross over

because these people never swear. It's silly. We're the same people. We're all the same people. The people that say fuck, the people that don't say fuck. You don't like to say it? Don't say it. It's no big deal. Thank you, George Carlin. Yeah, Jesus Christ. It should have been figured out a long time ago, but it's not. So yeah, you can say fuck on this.

Well, I use words like anal retentive instead of assholes. That's not a good word. It isn't? Okay, fine. Anal retentive means a totally different thing. It depends on how you use it. You can't call a person an asshole if they just fucking like to clean their hands. So, anyway, alcohol has a couple of things that it does.

Alcohol is a sugar. So what happens is it causes your blood sugar to go up and then drop because insulin is turned on and you become irritable because you need sugar to run the brain. And then dehydration. You need hydration. Is that why people get hungry for pancakes? They want maple syrup. You want that syrup? Butter and maple syrup.

The more carbs, the better. Brain food. Brain food. Yeah, the more carbs, the better. Brain food. Brain food. Yeah, the more carbs, the better for the brain after you drink, right? It's a diuretic. It's a dehydrator. And it's a hypoglycemic, drops your blood sugar. It's an immunosuppressant too, right?

It is. Actually, it shuts off growth hormone production. Yeah, it's not good. But damn, why does it make things so fun? I know. What a crazy thing. Something that makes you so happy for a little while. Just so fucking, and so stupid and dangerous and impossible to control.

Like, that's the craziest thing about the alcohol. It's like, it's impossible to regulate how many people, you just put it out in the market. And people drink whatever they want. And if they, it's not a lot. You drink a glass like this of whiskey and you're fucked. What other thing do you have that you could just buy like that, that literally will kill you if you drink too much, and you can get it everywhere?

It's pretty ridiculous. It's unbelievable if you really stop and think about it. I think what's even worse is the fact that they've restricted marijuana use for so many years when you look at the stats on people who cause accidents. You're only saying this because you didn't watch Nancy Grace's speech last night. No, I didn't watch it. If you saw Nancy Grace's speech last night, you would understand that marijuana makes you lazy. Oh, yes.

It makes you fat. I've seen that. It makes you just want to sit on the couch and eat chips. That's what Nancy Grace says. She needs weed so bad, that poor sweetie. She needs a pot cookie just one of those pot cookies

that makes you just go oh why was I fighting this well someone would like rub her feet she could just sit back on a really comfy couch after a pot cookie

and some dude who was really good at it rubbed her feet she'd be like why was I saying that this is bad I'm gonna take my shoes off now yeah

poor Nancy she needs a hug a lot of people are angry at her not me Why was I saying that this is bad? I'm going to take my shoes off now. Yeah. Poor Nancy. She needs a hug. A lot of people are angry at her. Not me. She needs some love. She's crazy. She's talking nonsense about weed.

You're a big fat lady, and you're talking about people being lazy. That doesn't make any sense at all. And I know she's not lazy. I mean, she was a judge. She was running this TV show forever. Being on a TV show is hard work. Being on a successful TV show for a long time, that's hard fucking work. But come on, you're talking crazy about weed. No one's listening to you.

That's nonsense. You're the exact thing that young kids want to avoid. They want to avoid an angry, yelly, preachy person on television who's yelling at them and telling them some shit that they know is not true It doesn't make you lazy if you're lazy you're already fucking lazy. It has nothing to do with weed But don't you think the kids nowadays they look they listen to that and they say? Interesting and they just do their own thing. They know it's a bunch of shit. I think she's just out of touch She's completely out of touch and it's not not just out of touch

foolishly ignorant as To the consequences of what she's saying because people are just gonna if you really believe what you're saying You're doing it in such a foolish way that people are gonna immediately discredit the message because it's coming from you the marijuana makes you lazy No, it doesn't stop it dummy That's a ridiculous statement. Yeah, and she's only saying it because she's just missed the boat. She missed the internet. I think Colorado, Washington, and eventually Arizona will be great test areas to disprove all that bullshit that's being said about marijuana. Do you know what they're doing, though?

It's a really sneaky thing. The Colorado dispensaries, they have dispensaries that they've had for a long time. They had them back when I lived there. But they have actual retail stores, but they're not allowed to have bank accounts so they have massive amounts of cash and the government literally will not let them put it in a federal bank they can't put it in a state bank they can't put it they can't put it in a bank they don't allow them to put their business to take their so they're gonna they're gonna have a safe somewhere and put stacks of fucking paper money is this they gotta remember to count it or like what are

you talking about this is the stupidest idea ever you you can make money but you can't put it in a bank here's even worse you've probably heard about in denver where they have um uh outlets for picking up marijuana but you there's no place legally designated to smoke it. That's hilarious, too. Yeah, they even have these sniff machines. Have you ever seen them? They've developed these things to pick out nanoparticles in the air, and they put it over their nose

like you're watching a fucking movie. They're sniffing to smell, if they could smell marijuana from your home, outside your home. And if they can, they will give you a ticket. It's a new way to make money with a giant electric, it looks like a cartoon nose.

This guy's got like a space nose on. Have you seen it? No, I haven't seen it. Jamie, pull a picture of that shit up. It's hilarious. It's called a sniffer? I don't know what the fucking technical name for it is, but they're literally standing outside of people's houses

trying to smell weed. You made weed legal. Of course it's in there. You can't have a backyard party. You can't pass around a joint in the backyard or you go have to get a ticket. Come on, assholes. That's ridiculous. What's the big deal?

It smells good. It's awesome smell. It smells good. It just does. Like there's some things that don't smell good when they're burning. Like cigarettes smell like shit. Yeah, if hemp oil was legal, I'd be using it. On what?

On my body. Well, it is legal. You can get hemp oil. What do you mean? You shit. If hemp oil was legal, I'd be using it. On what? On my body. Well, it is legal. You can get hemp oil. What do you mean? You get detoxified hemp oil? No, because hemp oil doesn't necessarily have THC in it. It's not necessarily psychoactive. It depends on whether it comes from the hemp plant or whether it comes from the female, the marijuana.

I mean, marijuana is not even a real word. Marijuana is the slang for a Mexican wild tobacco. That's where that word came from. When the whole Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst, when they were trying to make marijuana illegal, that's what they started calling it. They couldn't call it cannabis. There's the thing. And when they made it illegal, half the people in Congress didn't even realize that they had made marijuana illegal. Look at that nose. The electronic nose.

It's got a compass on the end of it and shit to tell you where the smoke is coming from. This is so stupid. Look at that. That's a giant electric piggy. That's a pig with an electric piggy. That's what that is. And by the way, you're a pig. If that's what you do, if you stand in front of people's houses with a fucking electronic

sniffer, not even your own nose, you're a pig. You're trying to arrest them because they're smoking something that's now legal inside their house, but they left a window open. You're a pig. That's a pig. Awesome. You're disgusting. I love technology.

Electronic fucking fake nose. The guy who made that must have been laughing like a motherfucker. He was stoned. He was probably so high when he entered that patent. He didn't even realize he fucked us. Hey, man. He's one of us and he fucked us with his stupid electric robot nose. But he made lots of money so he

can go to Colorado, have his own condo, and smoke all the weed he wants. Imagine the irony. Imagine if he just started his own pot selling business after he sold those things. Imagine if he was like the banks betting against themselves. Hey, we all need a cash cow. That's the move. That's what you do. You develop shit to help the cops while profiting off weed.

And it all eats itself. Yeah, it is legal to smoke marijuana on your front porch in Denver. Yeah, they voted last month 10 to 3. Good. Yeah, you can smoke on your front porch now. Powerful Denver. Wow. Fuck yeah, Denver.

Denver's strong. But there's going to be a lot of blowback from all this. And the first blowback that we're seeing is the... Blowback. It is. How's it doing? Hey, Mark. The first blowback is the bank thing.

They're not allowed to put their money in banks. So what are they supposed to do? They have to fucking stash money places, man. It's really crazy. You're going to have to buy cash houses and shit and cash boats. Maybe that's the point. Yeah, they're trying to get it so that they can't get rich, which I'm all for, man. I think that if people

want marijuana, they should be able to grow it. It's not hard to grow. I think that one of the reasons why it's so expensive and been so expensive for so long is because it's illegal. Once it becomes legal, it should all balance out. It should be really easy to get, super easy to access, easy to grow.

You don't really need to pay for it. It's just the fear of having, you know, somebody come and find your little collective that you and your buddies have set up on some little piece of property somewhere. Well, they've been doing that up north. Yeah. on some little piece of property somewhere. They've been doing that up north. Yeah.

They've been busting houses, million-dollar houses with the entire basement, first floor, second floor with all the hydroponics and marijuana. They go by your house with a special machine now and it checks the amount of electrical, whatever the fuck is going on in your house. So if you have a lot of lights on, they might just storm your house. There was an old couple that was like,

I believe they were the former FBI or former CIA. And they got arrested. The fucking, the DEA arrested them, came into their house because they thought they had a grow up when they were just growing vegetables. So they broke, I mean, like they literally went, I forget whether it was a former fbi or cia i forget

who it was but the dea literally went into their fucking house because they thought they were growing marijuana and you know like jesus christ guys like do you not check who the fuck these people are no no okay yeah gotta go in there and get those plants i wish wish I remembered the exact specifics of the story, but it was hilarious. Denver, though, they don't give a fuck. They say, come get us. That's right. We're cowboys. We've got fucking ranches up here.

We've got wells. We've got water wells. I think we're good. I think we're going to keep our weed now. And it's all this fucking crazy blowback. Crazy blowback. Well, I'm expecting the Chinese to come here. They just dropped $4.7 billion

into the American economy buying businesses. Let's see if they go to Colorado and buy some weed farms. They're going to do it. Chinese, they're going to go off. You were right, Coach. Yeah. Can you imagine how much the world would change if Chinese people came over here and started growing weed? They're

very ambitious, folks. It would be over real weed. They're very ambitious folks. It would be over real quick. They've got a lot of money these days. Too much. It's a fascinating thing, isn't it, how these nations look at each other over time? You know, sort of the character of the nation sort of shifts back and forth.

And now China, the character has become, instead of one of just total communism, of this, you know, rampant capitalism. This new feeling of China total communism, of this rampant capitalism, this new feeling of China being like producing literally every fucking cell phone known to man except for the Samsung ones, which are made in Korea. All the top cell phones and laptops and shit, China is just making so much shit.

Lenovo bought IBM ThinkPad, and it's now the number one business computer in the world under the name Lenovo. Wow. Yeah. I work in China. I have a contract in China with the second wealthiest guy in China for wellness centers, and I'm watching what he's buying up. Unbelievable amount of money that they're dumping here. I bought a ThinkPad just because I'm dumb, and I figured that would be a way to really inspire me to be less dumb. I'm going to do some writing on my ThinkPad. You can't write total nonsense when you have a ThinkPad.

It's too pretentious. But I like that little nipple, man. Nobody ever stuck with that nipple. The nipple for the mouse? Yeah, the nipple for the mouse is pretty sweet, man. I don't know why it never caught on. They nailed that shit with IBM. A couple other PC laptops had that little n on. They nailed that shit with IBM. A couple other

PC laptops had that little nipple. Yeah, that's my baby. I had one of those. That thing was the shit. I was riding on a ThinkPad, son. I'm obviously thinking. You were just playing with that little red nipple. I wasn't playing with it. I was working. I was going to work. There's no playing involved. I don't play,

dude. I don't play games. Yeah, so that's all made in China, right? Foxconn, of course, which makes all the Apple iPhones. I wonder who makes the nets outside of Foxconn. Imagine if they were American nets. That would be really ironic. We send American nets over the Chinese factory to catch the workers as they jump from the building. Imagine that?

No. It's weird, man. It's weird when you find out how much shit china makes when they duplicate cities and stuff like that like they duplicate paris and all these other uh european cities yeah one of the funniest not funniest but one of the most necessary towns that they just got finished doing was a geriatric old age town for 200,000 elderly Chinese. Well, you think 200,000 elderly when there's 1.3 plus billion people there. So the town has everything. It's got, you know, stores where you can buy diapers.

You can buy, you know, liquid drinks and protein. Hospitals, their own ER, everything. Just for, I think it's 60 years of age and older. And they're building town after town just to take care of the elderly. They have a really weird thing going on with their children too. Obviously the one child thing. It's now unlimited or it's two. It's no longer one. Not they, it's actually just a slight variation. The slight variation is if you came from a single parent household, if you're an only child, rather, if you were an only child, if you were an only child, one of your, either the male or the female was an only child,

you were allowed to have more than one kid. Then you can have two. It's not much of a change. It's not like unlimited. It's still like they're really trying to restrict. They have too many people. I mean, they know it. Everybody knows it.

And it's craziness. And so their solution was to only have men, which is a crazy fucking solution i mean then you you have like this crazy setup where 70 plus percent of the people are men and the men are lonely and sad and they can't find women and they they have this real despair because they might not ever be able to find a woman it's a real possibility there's just not that many that's right and the chicks must just be running shit it's so powerful there in China they must be so powerful so hard get one but it's their culture hasn't allowed allowed them to be that way you gotta keep them down not like a

valley if you to say white man gotta keep them gotta keep in their place there's only you know it's only 30 of them we can't let them know how the valuable they are. It's too many people, man. Whether it's China or India, you get to a billion. I wonder how long it's going to take for us to get to a billion. With the immigration that's happening, fast. You think so?

I think so. All through Mexico. Is that what you're saying? No. No, senor. That's what I heard. No, senor. There's, what, 21 million coming from China? 21 million. 21 million. A year? 21 million between now and 2020. There'll be 21 million people, and they predict there'll

be someplace between 6 to 10 million coming just to California. How do they all get in? Is there like a number that the United States won't let anymore in? If they bring a company here, they can get a green card. Would it say 2,100? Yeah, but this was five years ago. Oh, expert. U.S. population to hit 1 billion by 2,100.

Fucking crazy, man. Not too far off. That's not too far off. That means that conceivably, Jamie could still be alive to see this. You and I would be gone. Unless some new shit comes along. But Jamie might see this. Always new shit coming along.

Yeah, there is always new shit coming along, right? Yeah, that's crazy. Jeez. Yeah. A billion is a scary number because it represents chaos. Not just chaos, but it also represents there seems to be a lack of appreciation for life when it gets to that level. And that's when you find these crazy rapes in India and these horrible stories of people doing terrible things. China, people selling their kids.

Not to say that people don't do terrible things over here. They definitely do. People do terrible things everywhere. But it seems like life is not as valuable when there's too much of it. True. There, you know, the China and the black market for organs, Middle East for organs and children. I mean, these aren't my favorite topics to go through. I read about it because I am across an international marketplace.

And it's extremely scary, you know, with three daughters and having to look at that one can be pulled off the street, you know, and sold as in slavery, which is very, very common. You see all the cases that have been coming up with Middle East and with China. How about with Ohio? Wasn't that fucking guy, where did he live in Ohio? Cleveland. Cleveland, yeah. The Cleveland guy where they found he had a bunch of women living in his basement.

He'd kidnapped them and locked them up in his basement. There's been a few of those over the past few years. So it's not just there. It's not just China. A woman has to be worried about that here too. It's all over the world. Yeah. It's all over. I'm just talking about the venues that I travel in and hear the stuff

going on, the thing that happened in India. Fuck. Yeah, there's so much rape in India. Pakistan. It's insane. Pakistan. These stories. And the other thing is also the perspective because, I mean, without a doubt, any of those stories about gang rape in India, they're horrible and disgusting and terrifying.

I think the reason why we're hearing about so many crimes from there, though, is that we can't even realize what it's like to have an extra, like what we have now, plus an extra 700 million. Like that's out of control. 700 million. Like, that's out of control. And, you know, that might be the problem in itself. This insane psycho behavior might be that there's so many people that when it gets to that level, that life just gets devalued. Well, fortunately, in China, they have lots of places to spread out to. But they're all concentrated, you know, in areas like Beijing and Shanghai and Guangzhou and Canton and so forth.

But it's wall to wall. That's insane. It's like Japan. Yeah. Sardines in a can in the trains. Yeah. Yeah, they push people in. They actually have the guards there that really push you in.

Yeah, that's so fucking crazy. When we look at California with the expansive horizons that we have in Texas and Alaska, I mean, we're very blessed to have these beautiful places that, you know, my fear is that we have so many people coming in that it starts crowding us. In the cities, we're already having the crowding. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego. So you have to look for bumfuck Iowa or, you know, Coeur d'Alene, beautiful places. Yeah, they might be the last bastions of hope. You know, it really seems like if people keep expanding the population at this rate, it's almost inevitable that the whole country gets dragged into the same situation that we've seen in these other

countries. It's almost inevitable numbers wise, right? You're just going to run into an uncontrollable, unmanageable size of humans, whether it's 500 million or a billion or whatever the number is. Yeah, and the ACLU will get in there and say, what are you trying to restrict to one child per family? They'll never do that. Yeah, well, I hope so. But still, somebody's got to do something. It's just the question of, you know, you don't want to really let nature take its course.

Because what nature will do is say, oh, there's too many of you fuckers. Let's just give you a horrible disease. You know, let's just give you some ruthless shit that you'll never recover from and kill 99% of you. And that's what nature would do. Nature would just figure out a way to fuck you. So if we don't fix it ourselves, nature fixes it. You hope. Yeah.

You hope. And you hope we don't accelerate it with all our genetic engineering. Are you worried about that? I'm extremely worried about it. Since, you know, GMO has been around, we've been seeing an increase in celiac disease. We've been seeing autoimmune diseases like lupus. There are articles now starting to confirm what we thought, that there is an association with gluten from breads, from grains, and lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis, and Hashimoto's, which are all names for diseases that create inflammation

and start, you know, destroying our own cells, our own tissue, our bones, rheumatoid arthritis. And there are articles now coming out showing that there's this relationship to it. And then you look back of when GMO started with Monsanto and some of the other companies, and you start seeing the trend, the increase in these diseases. Why didn't we have these diseases in the past, like autism? Why is autism at such an incredible level? What is it, 1 to 20, 1 to 50, when it used to be 1 to 400? Is it relative to the immunizations? We went from, you know, a small amount of immunizations, now we're giving, what, 30 in a year to the kids between, you know, up to five years? I don't

remember really what the numbers are. I stopped pediatrics years ago. But when you inject all these inflammatory chemicals, I mean, that's what happens when you do an immunization. It creates inflammation. This is a hot topic. And it's a very, like, when you start talking about it, like, there's people that are immediately going to dismiss you. Absolutely. You start talking about, oh, he's one of those anti-immunization guys. But if you realize the statistics, if you start looking at the statistics for the vaccine court, what vaccine court has had to pay out, they've had to pay out numerous large settlements with people, millions and millions and millions of dollars, because they connected the immunization shots to their kids getting autism. Correct. That's a weird thing. People don't want to hear that fact.

No. I mean, they could say, well, they just lost in court because it was a misinformed judge. I mean, there can be some variables, but the reality of the situation is you're not supposed to give a baby peanut butter. Okay? A fucking little tiny baby shouldn't even get peanut butter

because it could kill them. If that kid is allergic to peanuts, if she's got that allergy, you could literally kill a baby with peanut butter. Why is it okay to just shoot chemicals in and assume that everyone's going to have a uniform reaction to these chemicals? Are most people going to be okay? Yes. Is it good that we have vaccinations because they prevent us from diseases?

Abso-fucking-lutely. I've had a bunch of vaccinations in my life. I think they're very important. Should you give them to babies? I don't fucking know about that. I don't know about that. I don't know. Maybe we should look at that real quick

because what are you shooting in there? You know it's a baby. It's a day old. You're going to shoot chemicals in it. Maybe let it sit around for a while and grow and get stronger maybe. And that's what a lot of doctors think. They think that there should be a protocol

where you don't give them any shots until they get to be about two. And then you slowly start introducing them to the essentials. You avoid like when they're babies, you don't give them things that prevent VD. You know? But people want to do that kind of shit.

There's a lot of money in fucking vaccines. And as soon as a corporation gets behind the bottom line, they're just trying to sell more. They'll try to figure out a way to make it so, like, look, the fucking kid can take it. These kids are strong these days. They're eating our GMO corn.

You can give them a hard vaccine. Come on, we've been making a lot of money, Tommy. Come on. Well, one of the recent ones for adult females or adolescent females is a product for HPV, human papillomavirus, which can cause cervical cancer. It's a product called Gardner Cell. And there are reported cases of healthy women who get the Gardner Cell and end up with problems with their brain. The issue is, you know, from the young and also for any age really is the protection that our body has is this wall, this barrier called the blood-brain barrier that stops things that are caustic and harmful to our brain from getting in.

It doesn't fully develop to maybe five years of age in the average child. So when you're giving an overwhelming amount of inflammatory injections, it creates an immune response and it goes into the brain. Well, it passes that inflammatory process into the brain. And that's probably, and they'll deny it, you know, part of the reason why it happens. They were talking about theol, which is mercury that used to be in or is still in some of the immunizations. They thought it was mercury toxicity. And, you know, my partner in... This is all scientific fact, right? this is all scientific fact this is all scientific but then that alone that that yes and that alone there's the people that are automatically dismissing you right now and i'm sure there are a bunch and me as well and they should dismiss me because i'm a fucking idiot i don't know what i'm talking about i'm just repeating a bunch of words that

i've read online dismiss me away please but but recognize that this is not as cut and dry as you think. And it's not that immunizations are bad. Everybody wants to say, oh, someone's anti-vaccine. Oh, she's causing the deaths of thousands because she doesn't endorse giving babies vaccines. No, that's not the case. But what the case is, is you've got

to realize it's a fucking chemical. And the idea that just shooting a foreign chemical into a baby is totally safe. Like, are you sure? Are you fucking sure how the little baby body is going to react to a needle being shoved into it? And you inject some man-made chemicals that just might have mercury in them? Everybody's going to be okay? Well, I agree with you that we all need immunizations.

Yes. I think it's the timing that we need to reassess. I think you're correct. If you overwhelm- And I know nothing. Listen to me. Talk to me about that. You're correct, sir.

I've done the studies. Well, you're correct. You've done your reading. Well, I've done a lot of reading about people much smarter than me figuring things out. And one of the things they figured out is that babies are fucking genuinely sensitive. Correct. They're really small, and they're not really developed yet. It doesn't mean that like vaccines are bad.

Vaccines are awesome. Vaccines are the reason why we don't have polio. Vaccines are the reason why there's a million things like mumps, which is actually starting to make a comeback because people are not vaccinating their kids for mumps and measles, you know? So it's not entirely good to not vaccinate either.

It's good. It's just it needs to be done at the right time probably. And we need to figure out why there's so many of them. I mean, are they all necessary? Are we sure that that's a good idea? And I don't think there's any way to do it until they clone fake people, headless people, or use

them as prisoners? Prisoners, that's what they should do. Give them vaccines. But you can't do that because you've got to test them on babies. You need to make fake babies. That's the only way to do it. You'd have to make it. But then there would be a lot of people that are convinced that they've made a real baby.

Because it would have to be so perfect in order for my experiments to work. Write it up as a thesis. It's a good TV show. It's like one of those CSI shows, but it's all about fake babies. Yeah, man, I think that a lot of people want an either-or in that case, and I'm glad that you have the courage to talk about that because you know as well as I know that it's such a hot topic that immediately even discussing the possibility

that occasionally there could be problems when you inject kids. Correct. People assume you're like a 9-11 truther. You know, you believe the towers were broken down by thermite. Like, they put you in that nutter category right away. You're a chemtrail believer. You're a fucking UFO fanatic. You know where Bigfoot lives.

Boom. I've got his address. You know what Ifoot lives. Boom. I've got his address. You know what I'm saying. Absolutely. You know, they think that, I mean, you made a comment about it. We're all the same. We're not all the same. And you give the same products to 90 different people and you get 90 different reactions.

You hope you get a couple of them that have no reaction. But they think that we live in a perfect world and that's the problem. They don't take into consideration that the genetic uniqueness of each person. Unquestionable genetic uniqueness, but that's not convenient if you're just trying to turn a profit. Correct. And that's why it's weird that we just allow that to happen. I mean, it's not anti-science. It's not anti-medicine. It's common sense. It's very simple. Who's waiting?

Hold on. Is there profit going on here? Wait, you guys are profiting. How much money? Holy shit. You find out how much money is in vaccinations. That much? First of all, why does it cost that much?

Why are you making that much money? And second of all, does that have anything to do with why they give so many vaccinations? Is that possible? And if you think it could be, if you think that people are sneaky and slimy enough that that could be, it has to be something that we all take into consideration. It doesn't mean that you're a nutter. It means like that seems like a writing on the wall kind of a thing. It's all about profit.

I'll give you an example that you might have heard last week. The company came out with a new drug for hepatitis C. Hepatitis C is a chronic process, a viral infection. We don't really have very good treatment for it. They use alpha interferon. It doesn't work that well. They came out with a drug, one capsule a day for 84 days. It costs $1,000 a tablet. It costs them $2 billion to get it to where it is right now. There are 4.1 million people in the United States with hepatitis C. It'll only take 250,000 to pay off everything. And they've got 4.1 million people with hepatitis C. So the argument is, why doesn't the company lower the cost for it so it'll make it more available to more people?

It's because they have a program for hardship cases, and the CEO was on this radio program that I was listening to, and he says, it's not our model to lower the price. Whoa. It's not our model to lower the price. It. It's not our model to lower the price. It's not their model. We want $1,000 a pill. $1,000 a pill. Is it because the research and development costs were so high?

Is that what they're saying? Well, it was very high and they bought the technology from another company. But it's, you know, you do $250,000 times $84,000 and that's the amount of money that it cost them to do everything that they've done. It just seems like if you give people the opportunity to make more or less money, it's up to them. Well, that's what it is. Some people that go fucking crazy. It's like gasoline.

Why is gasoline 47 cents in Abu Dhabi? Right. But you can't limit it either. That's what's weird about being a person. You can't tell people what to do either way. It's hard to tell them what to do. I mean, it's hard to say, well, how can I say that your shit costs too much, your pills cost too much, when maybe I'm not willing to work for less either. And everybody goes, ah, we'll just leave it alone. to work for less either. And everybody goes, ah, we'll just leave it alone. Well, the economy of scale is if you're making $7.50 an hour working 40 hours a week, how can you afford to pay $1,000 a pill? It's craziness. It's so much money. It's an insane amount of money.

But how is research and development funded when they do something like that? How long does stuff like that take? Like if they're going to develop some sort of a crazy pill, what's like a high-end figure? High-end could be, you know, 10, 15 years on the short, which is the fast track that they have with the FDA. It's three years. And the only problem with that, if you look the past five, 10 years, the drugs that went through the fast track, there were a number of them that were taken off the market because of the side effects that they didn't see in the first three years. Well, they were there. There was one drug that was for a form of leukemia that was just taken off the market where it caused your blood vessels in your limbs to shut down. So your leg would lose ischemia is the term, lose blood supply. So it would go dead and they'd have to amputate your limb. Oh, fuck. And this is what was going on.

There was another drug that was for ovarian cancer, which is a very drastic thing. Gene Wild's wife from Laughin died of ovarian cancer. Anyway, and they had it out for a year. At the end of the year, the FDA took it off the market because they found that it had no statistical benefit. People didn't get better. Wow. So how was it that they were allowed to have this drug marketed? I don't know how many thousand dollars it was per treatment, but it was just phenomenal.

And the drug for diabetes, which was taken off the market after a year because of liver failure. Then the anti-inflammatory medication Vioxx with the cardiac problems. I was just going to bring that up. I know a dude who had a stroke because of that stuff. Guy Metzger is his name. He's a former UFC fighter, like a really elite fighter and one of the pioneers of MMA and handsome guy to fucking beautiful head of hair is he does a Commentary now and he was apparently taking it because he had arthritis in his knees

It's a real bad inflammation his knees and then his his family people around him start saying like what's going on Me like slurring your words like what's happening stroke? He realized he had had a stroke and then it turns out that a bunch of people that took this stuff at strokes He's made a full recovery, but you know, it's because he's a young healthy guy, but that's fucking scary shit Yeah, so basically not everybody has a side effect of medications medications generally are very good You just have to be cautious when you start putting into those little Five pound six pound critters we call kids, babies. Well, yeah.

I mean, and even fucking MMA fighters, 205-pound guy meds. I mean, it's pretty much everybody's got to be careful. It's not totally figured out yet. Not with every single human being. There's a lot of variables that people have to work with when they make drugs or solutions. Just the variables or just the different amount of places where people came from. Of course, there's different things that they were exposed to in their ancestors' genes, you know. Yeah.

Have you ever had genetic testing? No. No. Would you have? I think I'm a chimp. I don't think I'd qualify for being a person You definitely would have about three and a half Neanderthals I might be a missing link

No, they'll find Neanderthals Yeah, I know someone in my family fucked a monkey Someone down the line Someone down the line totally fucked a monkey I don't want to find out that I'm more Neanderthal than a regular person But then they say, Neanderthals are looking up lately, by the way. I've been reading. Healthy, strong.

No, no, no. They're starting to think they may have been a little smarter than when people were giving them credit for. Might have been able to talk. Might have been able to use tools. They know that. They think that Neanderthals were very similar to human beings, but just not quite. I think that Neanderthals were very similar to human beings, but just not quite. It took the alien genetics to bring them up to Homo habilicus and Homo sapien and Homo erectus.

That's what I was just going to tell you. Go ahead, tell me. I was just going to inform you about the process. Yeah. You know, they still haven't figured out how Neanderthal jumped all the way up to, you know, Homo erectus, Homo bilicus, and Homo sapien. And the distinction was the frontal cortex or the neocortex, the new brain part, which is how we get our language skills and we get our thought processes and integration of our emotion and, you know, and control frontal lobes with command and executive functions. And, you know, they're still looking for that missing link. Yeah, well, it's a fascinating thing, the whole process of trying to figure out our past with fossils.

Because fossils are really difficult to create. You know, you have to get caught in some sort of a natural disaster, a mudslide or, you know, something's going to happen to preserve the body. Because normally the bodies will get eaten by scavengers. I mean, that's what scavengers are there for. And especially in those days, man, I'm sure there was a lot of death. Things were just dying. People weren't living this long. So the idea that we could figure out our entire fossil record just by finding bones,

boy, that's a fucking shitty record we're dealing with. They just found, I think, a partial skull, which is the oldest, 100,000 years old or 100 million years old. I don't remember how many zeros were after it. But they're finding a new ancestor. Yes, yes. Did you see that article? I've seen several of them. There's been a lot of new discoveries over the past, like, about, say, 10 or so years ago.

Whenever it was that they discovered that hobbit man, Flores. Do you know about that? No. Homo floriensis, I believe, is the term. The hobbit people. They were three-foot-tall, little, like, chimp-like people. Bipedal little elves. I mean, they lived on a fucking island, and they think that they might have even preyed on human children.

They think that they might have been... That could be total horseshit. I don't know why that was even theorized. But they thought that maybe that might have been one of the reasons why they killed them off, that the human beings... Killed these? Yeah, that there was some predation between the two species. That's just a theory, and it's not mine, by the way.

But they think that that has occurred in some places where chimps have got in and stolen babies. And they eat the babies. That's chimps. You're saying they're little people. Yeah. But what they're saying is that primates, yes, will sort of, for people like, I mean, they were very, very, very primitive. But they lived as recently as 10,000, 15,000 years ago. So if 10,000, 15,000 years ago, humans were in this exact form, and we were dealing with these weird little chimp people like this. Look at these things.

They have the various forms of humans. That little tiny thing, that's it. That's the Homo florensis. Jamie, see if you can pull up a better picture of it because there's some interesting drawings that they did, like individual ones, like one of the ones you showed earlier. What does Homo erectus look like? It like to do with a big dick it's erect homo erectus that's it and he's gay bad yeah it's terrible joke this um but this

hobbit person thing right I mean this absolutely without doubt walked alongside with people so if you see that person there and well that guy's yoked who is that guy that guy looks like gleason t-bow look at him he's stacked but that's a rare person don't compare that size but the um the little hobbit guy right next to him it's really fascinating stuff man so that means that all those stories that the indonesian people would tell uh and there's uh there's a like a the orang pendek that um there's jungle people say is still alive they still think there's a small population of these things that still exist and they call it the orang pendek it's a little uh chimp likelike tiny person that lives in the forest. It's fucking crazy, man.

If there was a small amount of those people that are still actually left living in some crazy rainforest somewhere, that's not outside the realm of possibility. Much more likely than Bigfoot. That there's this little hobbit man that's still alive. Because that was always the legend. And when they found this in the island of Flores,

they're like, holy shit. Where's the island of Flores? That's a good question. Is it near Florida? No, it's near Flores. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where it is. I think it's like Sumatra or something like that.

Maybe I just made that up. Isn't that like, what part of the world is it? Probably all vitamin D deficient. All those people? Yeah, to be so short. Okay. Indonesia. Indonesia.

Yes, Indonesia. Well, there's a term called island dwarfism, and it applies to primates sometimes. It applies to elephants. You get these tiny pygmy elephants that are on islands, but not to lizards. Lizards get bigger. if you leave lizards on an island they actually grow that's why you have like the komodo dragons like big fucking

crazy lizards like crocodiles and shit they actually grow when they're on islands yeah and the reason because everything can't get away yeah so they just eat everything they just gang up on bitches just take them out you know if you're on an island with a family of Komodo dragons, good luck. One day they're going to find out they can eat you. They're going to sneak up on you and find out they can eat you. And if you can't go anywhere because you're on an island, the lizards are always going to win.

Strange, isn't it? Yeah. What are you looking at? Oh, the Komodo dragon. Oh, what about it? I was expecting a picture up there. He's looking for it. Have you Oh, the Komodo dragon. Oh, what about it? I was expecting a picture up there. He's looking for it. Have you never seen a Komodo dragon?

Oh, I've seen one. I don't know what it is. It was on 007 had one. Did he really? Did he have a pet? Yeah. It was in the movie. Which, the last one?

The last one where they were in. Daniel, what is his name? Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig. Yeah, where were they? They were in Hong Kong or at a casino. There they are. That's it.

Evil fucking lizards. Could you imagine you hear that walking outside your tent? You wash up on the beach like, don't worry, honey, we have a tent. Look at that fucking creepy thing. Probably hasn't changed in forever. Neat. It's a remorseless monster. It's fascinating to think that that was the entire earth, isn't changed in forever. Neat. Remorseless monster. It's fascinating to think that that was the entire Earth, isn't it?

Yeah. I mean, that's essentially a dinosaur, right? Right. It's about as close to a dinosaur as you can get, them and crocodiles. How much different is there from a crocodile to a dinosaur? It seems pretty similar. Narrow. I want one of those.

You want a crocodile? No, I want a Komodo dragon. What would you do with it? Would you stand out there in your underwear and take pictures? What would you do? No, I'm afraid to get bitten. No, what a great watchdog. Not really.

It's going to eat you. Good watchdogs like their owner. That thing doesn't give a shit about you. You want a good watchdog? Maybe I'll give it away to someone I don't like. Yeah, get a bird. Get something that squawks when people are outside. Get a flamingo or something.

We've got two cats and two dogs. That's enough. Peacocks, I guess, make noises. Hunter S. Thompson used to have them in his place in Woody Creek. When people would come near, the peacocks would go, They make crazy noises, and I'll let you know that people are coming. They're good guards, or at least alerters, good alarms. Yeah, military macaw too yeah so um so what what

other stuff do you think besides this glutathione what other stuff do you think that people should be taken on a regular basis that they're not that's an incredible question there are a lot of things that we're losing in our water, for instance. We get bottled water. What's in it? Nothing. Filtered water. Filtered water.

No minerals. Where are the minerals? Where are the minerals? We're probably all, to some degree, mineral deficient. And one of the ones that the federal government talked about back in the late 90s was, C. Everett Koop talked about it, in fact, was chromium. Chromium is an anti-diabetic because it helps insulin work better in your body. It's called the glucose tolerance factor, chromium. And we found that because of our farming technology that we haven't been burning the leftover crop to get the ash, potash, back into the soil,

that we're losing a lot of the minerals. Everything we get is filtered, so we lose all the trace magnesium, molybdenum, all the trace elements that we need for very important chemical pathways in our body. So we're running around with a deficiency of function, and the only way to improve upon that function is to replenish minerals. And you can get trace minerals. I mean, it doesn't really matter where you get it as long as it's a high quality bioavailable kind of product. There are a lot of vitamins that, or a lot of minerals that you can't absorb because they're cheap, sulfated ones. Getting the citrate is a lot better. The glucurate and the fumarate are much better forms of,

whether or not it's zinc or magnesium or so forth. Do you think people should take them in a colloidal form? Like, how is that? Colloidal, yeah. Colloidal is a suspended one, so it gets absorbed a lot better instead of taking it in a compressed talus. I don't use anything that's compressed. I use only powdered, encapsuled powder with a vegetable outer coat on it. When you take colloidal minerals, they collect them from some mineral-rich streams or something like that, or they add? How do they do that? If they're artificial, they're suspending it so that it's easily absorbed. There is a cistern in New Zealand

where it's about a 50-million-year-old cistern which has a blend from erosion from the walls of the cistern with natural water, clean, fresh water, and it has a balance in it which gives your water a pH of 8. And I don't want to really get into the thing about acid-base kind of chemistry. What does that mean by a pH of 8. And, you know, I don't want to really get into the thing about acid-base kind of chemistry. What does that mean by a pH of 8? A pH of 8 is more alkaline, which is called alkaline water, and the benefits of alkaline water versus acidic water. Acidic, you know, we have ionizers that

take regular tap water and make it into smaller molecules. Water is an interesting molecule because it doesn't stay singular. It's just not one H2O water molecule. It clumps together, and a lot of water molecules stick together because the electrical attraction of it, of each molecule to the next. That's what ionized water is? No. Ionized water puts a charge in it to separate it, so it's more absorbable. I mean, I've had patients come into the office and say, Doc, I'm drinking my eight ounces every two hours, and I'm still thirsty. And it's because they're drinking acidic water, which clumps together

and doesn't allow for bioavailable water. And you'll start seeing some stuff that says bioavailable water. And it's going to take some time for our brain to accept it, our position to accept these new trends because they say, you know, it's bullshit. You don't need alkaline. There's no thing with acid alkaline. There are articles that, you know, refute the benefits of it. But I see it in clinical application with patients who have failed certain medication and they go on to an alkalizing protocol and they get better. And I documented they shouldn't be better, but they're better.

There's symptomatic complaints of pain and swelling and all that's gone. Why do you say shouldn't? Well, it shouldn't because in my medical training, I don't see, you know, in my training. I've been in practice 32 years and had, you know, 13 and a half years of training with a year and a half of research. And it shouldn't happen, but it is happening. So when you go back and you look at the fringe science, you start realizing that on the fringe, it hasn't come full cycle into the core of our belief system that the products have a means, alkaline water has a means by which it changes the acid base of our body,

and our body does much better in alkaline situations. Inflammation, if your body is acidic, more inflammatory diseases occur, but you can't prove it. It's supposition. It's, you know, speculation. We don't have enough hard documentation to prove it. And there's a lot of resistance to develop that hard scientific information right now. And with everything that's on the fringe, everything that's new that comes into medicine, there's a lot of resistance. Our cycle in medicine is about 30 years because you've got 30 years, doctors who are in practice for 30 years who control everything. And that's old school. The stuff that I used to work on was 20 years old. Doctors nowadays, I mean, I interact with training doctors,

and the information that they're running their practices on is so antiquated. You know, it's like doctors still think that testosterone causes prostate cancer, and there's not a single shred of evidence that proves it. One of our docs from Harvard, Dr. Abraham Morgenthaler, wrote the book Testosterone for Life, where he spends his academic life at Harvard and in Boston, proving that there's nothing to substantiate that testosterone causes cancer. What does cause testicular cancer? Because that's a really common one with men.

Testicular, seminomas, testicular cancer, you know, there's genetic predisposition for it, and there's also thermal temperature. There's an increased occurrence in men who have had what they call cryptorchism. Crypto is hidden testicle, where they haven't had descendant testicles. So if their pediatrician was on time and gave them a shot of HCG, which caused the testicle to drop, then it drops out of the 98-degree temperature that the testicle isn't made to function in. That's why it hangs out in our ball sack. What a stupid design. Well, but there's a reason for it. That's why it hangs out in our testicular, in our ball sack.

What a stupid design. Well, but there's a reason for it. They want it to be degrees less so it doesn't induce cancer. Our sperm are germ cells and germ cells have a chemical, germ cells like cancer and germ cells have a high reproductive rate. What happens when you get fixed? When a dude gets fixed? You mean from his cord? Oh, when he cuts cords? What is it called?

Vasectomy. I'm East Coast. You're from where? You say vi? Vasectomy. It's a V. The snip. I couldn't come up with a word. Right, vasectomy.

Vasectomy. Is that bad for people? No, it's not bad. It stops having kids that you shouldn't have or stops having kids that you would like to have that you can't afford. Right, but is there any – absolutely. But is there any medical concerns that someone would have? No. The uncomfortable nature of the procedure psychologically I think is worse than the physical aspect to it.

So do you think dudes lose like when they're shooting blanks, they lose like this psychological feeling of actually being potent? Because they have just dead cum. But there's cowpers pouch and they have the prostate which generate fluids. It's not just the swimmers. Right. There's definitely something missing to the batch though. There's volume is decreased but there are ways of increasing volume. There's volume that's decreased and you don't have as intense of a –

Orgasm? Ropes. Orgasm or ropes. So they're not as good. Orgasms are not as good. In the majority of people, there's no effect on it. The majority of people. There's no effect.

But what if you're one of those people and you already got snipped? That's right. And you're like, oh, fuck me. What if cumming goes from the greatest thing ever to like, all right. Whatever. Then we have to sit on the couch and talk about it. Then you got to reattach the plumbing. They can do that, right?

They go in there and microsurgically reattach your pecker pump? They could do that, or else they go in and they just suck out the sperm from your testicle with a needle. Oh, hey. That doesn't seem like anybody should have to do that. It's an option. So that's the option. They do it every now and again? Yeah, every now and then. How long do they have to do that. It's an option. So that's the option. They do it every now and again? Every now and then. How long do they have to do that for?

Like that's a male, like a male shot, right? No, if a male has a low sperm count and he wants to get his wife knocked up, they'll try with growth hormone, testosterone, zinc, and other ways of trying to stimulate increase in the sperm count. But if they're not producing sperm for whatever reason, they can take a needle, put it in, and aspirate to suck out. That sounds crazy. Aspirate is a better word. It means suck out. Yeah, I would have asked you what aspirate meant. Don't worry.

So, yes, aspiration. The idea of it, like if you said you had to stick a needle in my thigh, I'd be like, all right. You know, a needle in my shoulder, I'd be like, all right. But you're talking about pulling something out of my penis. I'm really not comfortable with that. How about out of your testicle? Yeah. Out of your ball.

That doesn't seem like a good idea. That seems like there's got to be a way around that. But that's how we fix infertility when it's not the woman's fault. Jesus, though. Fuck a needle in your dick together. Woo. It happens. Yeah.

The adult industry, they use Cabrijeck. They inject in the base. I love how you say the adult industry. Oh, what should I say? Porn? Well, that's what it is.

Okay, fine. In the adult industry... What about the child industry? Is it different? Do you have a different industry? You can't use the term adult if you can't use the term child in the same business. Okay. You know? Like, what a different industry? You can't use the term adult if you can't use the term child in the same business.

Okay. Like what is the industry? Is that all adults are? They just want to fuck? Like that's the adult. The real adult is just like living your life. It's a bunch of bullshit, but this is what you really want to do. You really just want to fuck.

So that's why we call it the adult industry. That's a terrible message for the children that your life is based entirely on sexual pressure. As you get older, what become the two most important things in life? Food and sleep. Okay. Sexual pleasure, of course. I'm just joking. Just joking.

I know you're joking. But it's just funny that you use that word adult. Adult. People use that. It's like urban for black people. It's like they don't want to say black people, but they can say urban. It means the exact same thing, and somehow or another people just let it slide.

So what should I use instead of the adult industry? The porn. Okay, porn. There's nothing wrong with porn. Yeah, in the porn industry they use a chemical which in fact comes from a woman, PGE, which is prostaglandin E, and they inject it in the base of the penis

and it makes them have an erection that lasts for like two to four hours like a baseball bat. That's such a strange thing. They take something out of the woman, they inject it into the man, and the man gets rock hard. Do you think that that is like there in a woman to make a man erect? Like she has the ability to do that with a chemical? And the man in his sperm, when he ejaculates in a woman who is pregnant, it can cause her

to deliver. Maybe you. Not me. I'm more careful. So what is this stuff that a woman has that they take out with a needle? They don't take it out of her, but it's a chemical in her. Well, how does she have it? Where is it in her?

It's in her body. It's in her body. Can it come out in her sweat or anything like that? Oh, you like pheromones? Yes. I'm not sure, to be perfectly honest. Must. Must.

Comes out of her vagina, for sure. Absolutely. Out of the vagina. That's why we're all attracted to them. Yeah. It comes out of the vagina. Vagina, not the woman. Right.

Well, that's not true. Okay. You can be attracted to both, Mr. Gordon. How dare you? Absolutely. How dare you? It's not an either-or situation, sir. It's a woman.

I thought this was a free-for situation, sir. It's a woman. I thought this was a free-for-all here. It is a damn free-for-all. Yeah, but I mean, that only makes sense why eating pussy gives guys hard-ons. Sorry, I had to say it that way. Right. Look. It's the pheromones.

Don't get upset at me, ladies and gentlemen. What am I going to say? Felatio? And you go, who are you? I know her. Felatio? Felice, yeah. So, Mark Gordon, absolutely.

What can I do? You're a bad influence. No, no, no. You're a great guy. I'm a semi-professional. But it makes sense that a woman would have something in her body where the smell of it actually gives the guy an erection because that absolutely works. Look at the animals. The guy gets horny during the estrus, which is the female cycle of an animal, and she's throwing out pheromones.

So obviously, gals are throwing out pheromones. And when you meet a—you know, you stand in front of—I'll tell you the man side of it later. When you stand in front of a group of women, there are certain of the women that you're more attracted to than others. There was a study done at UCLA where they were looking at this issue of pheromones. And I apologize. I forget the female doctor's name who did all this research and developed a product which guys can buy. Of course it was a chick. It was a chick.

Making money on that smell. Absolutely. What she found was that she took women and she introduced them to guys that were fat, that were lazy, you know, from smoking marijuana, right? Yeah, those lazy, fat, fucking lazy potheads. They didn't see them, but they had the shirts from these guys. So they smelled the shirt to smell the perspiration that was on it. And what happened almost 100% of the time was they were able to pick the guy that was healthy, that was physically active, that produced this pure pussy perspiration. And they found that it was guys that were healthy that didn't have any medical conditions. So women can sense through the pheromones or the pheromones transmit

understanding about the condition of the person. They picked the guys that were fat. They picked the guys that were healthy. So she took the chemicals or the synthesized the stuff that they found in the healthy guys. And that's her pheromone. That's fascinating. 150 bucks, I think, for a little bottle. They make a perfume. I think that totally makes sense. I mean, if we know that pheromones exist and you know that when you're really attracted to someone, the intensity, like when you're touching them

and just being near them, it like turns on something. And it absolutely could be pheromonal as well, as physical, as well as pleasure-based and sensitivity. There could be some pheromone exchanges too. Right. But I think that the pheromones really set you up for everything. Looking at, you know, in neuroendocrinology, which is the way hormones work in the brain, which is what I spend most of my time doing, pheromones trigger pleasurable centers in the brain.

You know, we have centers, you know, the libido area, which is another way of saying the sex area of the brain. We have an area that's stimulated by not just testosterone but estradiol in a recent article that came out of JAMA three, four months ago. And Dr. Abraham Morgenthau was on the news talking about it on Good Morning America or something. And men need estradiol in order to have a fully functioning sexual mindset. And women need testosterone. I have a question for you. Has there ever been anyone so fucking dumb they named their kid libido? There has to be, right?

There has to be a guy. It's like, I'm telling you, this kid, all he's going to want to do is fuck. When Jamie has a chance, you can look up, right? There must be. There's a libido out there somewhere along the line. It's got to be. You're looking at the names that are out there. Shane, Shane.

Yeah. Starlight, Starbright. Jesus fucking Christ. What a mad, mad world. Yeah. Love that movie. Yeah. So when we were talking about different things that you do,

one of the things that I didn't mention is that you're one of the, I don't want to say a pioneer, but one of the more prominent guys when it comes to understanding the effects of traumatic brain injuries and working with guys, working with boxers and working with various athletes that have suffered. I know you've worked with a lot of people that I know. Right. How did you get involved in all this?

Great question. I've been practicing hormonal modulation therapy since about 1995, and I myself was not feeling so great between the age of 34 and 46. In fact, I was on antidepressant and obese, losing my hair, and just not a very happy camper. So I went to a company in Las Vegas and paid them a lot of money in 97 and was diagnosed with having three hormone deficiencies, growth hormone, testosterone, and thyroid. And just thinking it was genetic, ended up going on to replenishment treatment. And in my practice,

I had started shifting over to hormone modulation that they used to call, what they call anti-aging medicine. I termed the coin called interventional endocrinology, because I don't think the term anti-aging in medicine is a proper term for the general masses. It's a great buzzword to get an understanding of what we do in the area of interventional endocrinology. So treating a lot of people with hormone deficiency. In 2004, I'm reading an article out of Turkey about pugilists, boxers, where they had this uncanny high occurrence of growth hormone deficiency. And that I call my epiphany article. I read that and, ah, it all made sense.

Head trauma creates a situation that leads to hormonal deficiency. So I went back to my population from 1995 to 2004 and started interviewing them again to see who had had accidents. And almost every single person had a very clear-cut motor vehicle accident. In the first book that I wrote, Interventional Endocrinology, chapter five talks about a 17-year-old kid who came to me at 21 with significant mood change, depression, anxiety, isolation. He couldn't gain weight. Turned out he was hormone deficient. And when he was 21 years of age, I go back to him and find out that he had a motorcycle accident and was in a coma for three days. Oh, wow.

So I've got kids right now that have had motor vehicle accidents, slip and falls, blunt head trauma, assaults that have had developed hormonal deficiency. develop hormonal deficiency. And you can develop the hormone deficiency because the head trauma can interrupt areas of the brain that regulate hormone production by the pituitary called the master gland in the brain. There's a regulatory sensor that tests the blood every microsecond to see if there's a balance of growth hormone, testosterone, estrogen, and all the hormones in our body. And if there's a deficiency of it, it sends a signal to the master gland, the pituitary, to tell it to increase the production of whatever hormone it perceives as being deficient or low. On the other hand, if it's too high, the same area of the brain called the hypothalamus tells the pituitary to shut down or decrease the production of hormones.

So if you're making not enough growth hormone or not enough IGF-1, which is the marker for growth hormone, it'll tell the brain to produce more growth hormone. And the same thing with testosterone. So I started looking at this area since 2004, and the literature was just starting to burgeon with a lot of documentation research that had been done showing that people who have head trauma have testosterone deficiency number one,

growth hormone deficiency number two, thyroid number three, cortisol, which is the adaptive kind of hormone, the stress hormone. And I had one, two, and three. I had growth hormone deficiency, testosterone deficiency, and thyroid deficiency. And in 2007, I had been seeing a lot of people, retired NFL football and rugby and a lot of sports players and boxers like, I can say, James Toney. And they were documented as having hormone deficiency. And we went on to ESPN Outside the Line in 2007 and showed their lab results. And they talked about how much better they felt when they had their hormones returned to normal levels, replaced the physiological levels, not bodybuilder levels, but physiological levels, which is like 60 milligrams a week versus something like, I hear, up to 400 milligrams a

week. Yeah, that's something that people really need to, it's something that people need to understand that if you look at what a bodybuilder is, that's impossible without ridiculous, insane numbers of chemicals that you shoot into your body. It literally is impossible. And I think people have a bad taste in their mouth or a bad idea about the idea of testosterone because they think, well, if you take testosterone, you're taking a steroid and you're going to become a big, giant monster person. You can't become a big, giant monster person unless you're fucking dedicated to crushing your body. Correct. When I started doing hormone replacement using testosterone, a lot of patients said, that's an anabolic.

That's a steroid. That's a steroid. That's a steroid. They pictured you like Dorian Yates, just standing out there on your front porch, flexing. And my response to them was, steroids are what you buy in the corner from Bubba. What I'm giving you is a medication called testosterone. Why is it always Bubba? I don't know. Bubba gets a bad rap.

Bubba? He fucks guys in prison. Bubba's always the first guy to fuck you in prison. Well, I've got a limited vocabulary for the guy selling stuff on the corner. Yeah, let's call him Lou. Okay, Lou. Crazy Lou. Lou's got the good shit. He'll get you swole. So in the beginning, it was the hormone deficiency and not feeling as able psychologically, physiologically, and physical.

Diabetes increased. And we're now seeing out of the literature, starting in 2000, that if you're low in free testosterone and 50 year old male and above, now 50 year old female and above, you have a higher occurrence of diabetes. So testosterone serves an incredible function, also pain. We found that testosterone also stops inflammation. So people who have joint aches and pains, they go away when they replace your testosterone level, growth hormone, and cognitive function. The real bottom line is we know that head trauma causes hormonal deficiency. We know that hormonal deficiency is associated with depression, anxiety, and all those suicides that we're seeing in the NFL and in the military. In 2012, there were more, there were 364, almost one a day, 64, people in the

military who committed suicide. They all had PST, you know, post-traumatic stress syndrome, which is just another form of TBI, traumatic brain injury. Yeah, I believe at the very least it mirrors the amount that are killed in action. It's scary. I mean, that's a scary, scary thing. Well, in 2012, there were more people committed suicide than were killed in action. It was more. Yeah, it was documented by the DOD. But, you know, so the issue is that we do great at diagnosing traumatic brain injury. There are CTs, there are PET scans, all these high-tech things, but we fail at treatment. The reason why we fail at treatment is because we haven't put a good composite together of laboratory testing for traumatic brain injury.

So what we've developed over the past 10 years is this testing to allow for someone to have their hormones checked to determine if there's a brain source for the deficiency or if the gland, like, you know, the testicles are gone. Of course, you're not going to make testosterone. But if you have healthy young testicles, you should have a chemical in the brain that's directing them to produce testosterone called luteinizing hormone. Well, here comes the big question. If this is all the case, if traumatic brain injuries and concussions and whatnot are causing this decline in the function and the operation of glands in the body that produce hormones, should the people who take that stuff be allowed to continue whatever they've done that's made them deficient of all these hormones?

So the argument is like, there's a big issue, I'm sure you know, about it in mixed martial arts. And the big issue in mixed martial arts is testosterone replacement therapy. That a lot of these guys are legitimately showing up where they test low enough for doctors prescribing testosterone. So the question is, they need this when they're young for one of two reasons, right? Either there's a medical issue, like they could have taken steroids and the steroids could have shut their balls down. Or if it's not that, they could have a disease that lowers their testosterone.

Or if it's not that, it's head trauma. If it is head trauma and their business is head trauma, should they still be engaging in head trauma? Great question. The answer is obviously no. So if you were like, say if they had you running the Nevada State Athletic Commission, if you were the guy that had to oversee boxers and mixed martial arts fighters, if they came to you low with testosterone, you would say, well, we're going to get you some testosterone, but no more fighting. Well, you have to go and do some assessment to see what the damage is. You know, we're going to get you some testosterone, but no more fighting. Well, you have to go and do some assessment to see what the damage is. We have some technology that is phenomenal.

I mean, if you look up on the Internet, DTI MRI, where you can actually see the interruptions of nerve conduction in the brain of the nerve fibers. You can see the interruption of the axons is what it's called. You can also see scarring. I had a DTI MRI done. It's called trachogram or diffusion tension. That's it. Oh, my God.

That's insane. Unbelievable technology. I had this done. Oh, my God. That's real? That's real. Holy shit. That image looks like a crazy flower from Avatar.

Yes. So what is this called again? What is the technology? It's called MRI with DTI, diffusion tension imaging, and it follows the flow of water through the neurons. I found my new desktop. Okay. That's my new desktop.

I'll send you some. That is incredible. Yeah. That image is fantastic. I don't even want to see what my stupid fucking brain looks like. So anyway, you have a DTI done, and you can actually see calcifications or scars. Oh my God. And based upon the amount of damage to the brain, you make a decision whether or not the person is at great risk for continuing what he's doing. Wow. There was a University of St.

Louis, I think just got another $8 million grant to do DTI, fMRI, and one other study of the brain, which are very definitive for showing deficiency of blood flow. From head trauma, you can have areas of the brain lose their blood supply. You can have nerve damage. I've got some great pictures I'll send you where you can actually see the severing of the nerves that connect the frontal lobe to the cortex. connect the frontal lobe to the cortex. So you lose decision-making,

the ability to do more than one thing at once, multi-taxing. I don't even want to look. I don't even want to look. My brain is like a messy attic. I don't even want to go in there. It smells like a body. But there are things you can do to bypass the areas of damage.

To fix everything? What can I do? There are things you can do. What can I do? Because I fix everything? What can I do? There are things you can do. What can I do? Because I'm definitely damaged. We have a new product that— The more you talk, the more I'm thinking. Yeah.

I've got a problem. We have evoked potential, which is like an EEG of the brain where it follows. You're sitting in front of a computer reading. You're looking at flashing lights. You're looking at things, and it causes electrical patterns in the brain. And there are, quote, normal electrical patterns, and then there's abnormal. The abnormals correlate with different areas of the brain because you've got this net over your head, and it's sensing it.

It's being used in the military right now by Dr. David Hauger. Crazy Dave, right? Dave. But they're going to be sending me one of the units, so I'll have it in the office so we can see how wonderful your brain's functioning. I'm scared. I don't want to look in there, man. Yeah, but there'll have it in the office. Wow. So we can see how wonderful your brain's functioning. I'm scared. I don't want to look in there, man. Yeah, but there are things we can do to try and help it.

It's done. It's over. Brain transplant? It's fucking crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. I would like to see what my brain looks like after three shots of tequila. You know?

That's the... It probably turns to, like, the Batman logo. Yeah. Would you like to see what your brain looks like when it's completely fucked up? Yeah, would you like to see what your brain looks like when it's completely fucked up? Like if you could just... It is right now.

Drown it in vodka and just take a good look at it? Absolutely. Would the fMRI look different? Would you be able to tell if someone's intoxicated? Well, let's see. The one that does the blood flow

is it follows the red blood cells is the fMRI. The electrical patterns would be interesting to see because alcohol is an anesthetic, so you'll see drop off in the electrical charge. Is it possible that this technology will evolve to the point where cops could use it to tell if people are fucked up when they're driving?

They don't even have to, like, check your breath or any of that. They just scan you with this little thing real quick, and they look at your brain. In 2100, possibly. Probably, right? Yeah. Right now, it's a huge piece of equipment.

But so was a cell phone, right? It used to be a big suitcase. You used to have a carrier in your car. You remember those days. Oh, this is huge, too. What do you got? HTC. Yeah.

See? Good, smart man. Go Android. Keep your money on the winners. Apple done fucked up. Fucked up this cell phone game. I love Apple. Don't get me wrong.

Because Apple people go crazy when you start talking shit about Apple. Stock was up today. It's great. It's a great company. They make awesome operating systems and computers. However, their phones can suck it. How about that? I was with them for a long time.

People are tired of me talking about this. I'm sorry. You're getting that anger off your chest. Do you need some couch time? It's not off. It's still there. Okay. Apple made me go Android.

You made me leave with your little skinny screen. Sons of bitches. It's the DNA. Yeah, those are sweet phones. It's a computer. There's so many cool phones. I mean, obviously the Apple phones. I'm just bullshitting around.

They're still great too. iPhones have the best camera, I think. I've never seen a camera that's, like, as easy to use. And when you get, like, megapixels, you know, some people say, you know, this has more. At a certain amount, you just want it to look good, right? I mean, when you get into, like, eight megapixels, how big do you want that picture? Like, what are you doing with that thing? If you want to make a poster.

Yeah, you're going to put a billboard up. Yeah, a billboard. Then you need, like, a high megapixel. But for the most part, a little cell phone camera will do it for you, kid. Yeah, two megs. You guys, in studying all this stuff, exposed really sort of a dirty secret in the NFL, in the world of boxing. But for a long time, people were able to look at damage that was caused by athletes, whether it's a boxer being punched drunk,

and they looked at it almost with a willful ignorance. They're like, oh, I guess he stayed around too long. No one touches it, no one describes it. It becomes pugilistic, a dementia, and then that's it, and the guy just fades away. When you start talking about this as a very real cause and effect, how much blowback is there from that? Do people get upset at you for that? They don't get upset at me.

They just don't talk to me. Is that what happens when it comes to certain businesses like football players or football teams or hockey teams or something where people take a lot of impact? Do they get upset about these findings? Of course they do because the American pastime is what? Football. Sports. Football. We love sports.

Baseball, right? They love it. What is it, baseball, the American pastime? They're afraid of changing the way the game is played. So, look, you can't do, what is that, Rule 49 where you can't do any side impact? No side impact anymore? There was a rule that came out. It's Rule 49.

I don't remember exactly what it is. Well, that just fucked up the YouTube clips. Because those YouTube clips where dudes get hit from the side and fly into the air. Oh, that's such a brutal thing when you get hit from the side by a giant man. Yeah, they're afraid that it's going to change the way the game's played and it won't be as exciting anymore. It most certainly will. You know, it's like a gladiator. I think we have a gladiator mentality.

We love seeing people getting hurt. We love seeing, you know, the sports that are rough. I mean, I took my daughter when she was 11 to a hockey game. It was the New York, what is it, the Raiders? No, the Islanders and... Islanders and... Islanders? Jersey Devils? No, no, no.

The ones from New York. The hockey team. Anyway. So she was cheering at 11 when they were checking against the... What is it? The Devils. It's the Devils? That's the Jersey, but there's a New York one.

Yeah. Is it the Islanders? And the Rangers. Rangers. It was the Rangers. It was the Rangers. Great game. Absolutely great game.

Rangers. It was the Rangers. It was the Rangers. Great game. Absolutely great game. And she was cheering when any someone was hit against the checked against the wall. Right. Unbelievable. And that's what they do. And then in the middle of the game, they pull off their gloves and they got into this huge fight. I was unbelievable. Yeah. It was my first time at the rink. Well, the weirdest thing about hockey fights is that it's really assault. Like, you're allowed to assault each other. Correct. Because you're not wearing boxing gloves. You're not wearing MMA gloves. You're beating the shit out of each other bare knuckle. Like, why is that legal? I mean, all they do is, like, they penalize you a little bit. But you know what's going on.

Everybody knows what's happening. The guy's not going to play after he fights anyway. So he has to sit in a box for a little while and cool off. Whoa, you really showed him. You didn't show him shit, man. He just got in a fight. He wants to take a break right now. The guy just probably broke his fucking hand. People jump up and they're cheering when the fights occur.

They're so crazy. It's Rule 48. We like to watch people try to win. Guilty of assault. During a game a couple years ago, this guy, he was known as a badass, but he got charged and suspended for a long time. Marty McSorley is his name. Oh, yeah.

McSorley. Yeah, sure. Wow. Holy shit. I think that guy was going to do MMA at one point in time. Sounds like a crazy man. Yeah, man. It's just very weird how that's sort of like, I mean, if baseball players go at it, it's not, you know, it becomes a big deal.

You know, bench clean, brawl, that becomes a really big deal if baseball players fight on TV. But hockey players are expected to. It's par for the course. It's the game. Yeah. It's a fucking man's game. That's it. That's why Canadians are so powerful.

You know? Canoots. That's why also they're so polite. In their sport, they could fucking just, a fight could break out. The drop of a hat. It's allowed. You can't talk shit. You know, if you're on a basketball court and you start talking shit, you're most likely not going to get punched in the face.

But if you're in a hockey rink, it's most likely that you're going to get punched in the face. Who was it? Kelly Rudy and the 501 winner. They left Canada and came down to play here. 501 winner? No, who was it? Kelly Rudy.

Are you asking football questions? No, it's hockey. Oh. I don't know hockey either. Fine. Basketball and football. Well, a lot of Canadians. With what you're telling me, I would think the Canadians absolutely would come down to the States,

where it's a little bit more civilized in the brawling. Yeah, but not as nice in the populace. You know, you have a brawling populace that's a polite populace. Which do we have? We're not really brawling. We're talking shit. We talk a lot of shit. And in Canada?

And then we get separated. We're like, what? Let me go. And, you know, I mean, this is very rarely a bench-clearing brawl in our sport. Our sport is baseball, right? Our national sport, allegedly. It's baseball. Even football.

I mean, they hit each other full clip while they're running, but they rarely kick each other's asses. It seems like you should totally be allowed to kick each other's asses in football, but they don't allow it because it would be too brutal. Because you look at the size of some of these guys, they took their helmets off and beat the fuck out of each other in the middle of the field, and 80,000 people go, rah, it's too gangster even for America. So football players are not allowed to fight. That's a pretty interesting thing if you really stop and think about it. It's just something we culturally accept as being a rule,

but it makes no sense that hockey players are allowed to fight, but football players aren't. That's so stupid. That's a really dumb rule. If they both play in the same country, this is retarded. It doesn't make any sense at all. It's in the rules. That's what football's going to do.

They're going to take out all these crazy side hits and put in brawls. That was 48. It was a side hit, side tackle. Take that shit out and take the helmets off and start throwing down. If they added to that, football would go through the fucking roof. What happened in the beginning? Would they use the leather what do they call it? Leather helmets.

Well, those are good too because you can't hit each other as hard. It's really fucking dangerous. It's hard to do and you realize you can't run into each other full clip and use your head like a battering ram. Pads too. There's actually less instances of brain damage in rugby than there is in American football. Look at that shit they used to wear.

That's hilarious. Those little funny, silly pads. It'd be better if people played like that. They would get more hurt, for sure, but honestly, it would be better because they would realize they can't play the game that way. The way they play it is completely unreal. You know, the girl with the big, kids, and football. How dare you.

How dare you. You would realize that you can't just run into each other. Like, that's so preposterous. You think you could just crash into each other and everybody's going to be fine. Like, that's a recipe for danger. That's a recipe for disaster, just running at each other full clip.

But if you force people in a situation where they were bare head, bare head to head, the idea of colliding with another person's head does not seem that cool. Yeah, understood. I think they have some veneer of protection by wearing the helmet. But do you have less protection actually when you're wearing a helmet because your brain gets rattled around more often because you can take it? That's the point.

more often because you could take it? That's the point. You've got, you know, had a patient who was driving a motorcycle up to 405 at 70 miles an hour and he's clipped by a car. He goes up, catapulted, ends up stopping his body, ends up stopping in the fast lane. Oh my God. So I'm sitting there talking to the guy and I said, so what happened next? He says, I woke up in the hospital. I said, so you had head trauma? He said, no. I said, why would you tell me you didn't have head trauma? He says, his helmet wasn't broken. Oh, hilarious.

Yeah. His helmet. But he was in a coma for, you know, 12 hours or whatever. Woke up, his legs up here. He's got a broken leg, six broken ribs, broken arm, clavicle broken. And he ended up developing this incredible anger and depression. And the word is anhedonism, which means no sex. He just didn't desire any. A-N?

Anhedonism. Anhedonism. A-N-H-E-D-I. I'm going to use that from now on. Thank you, sir. Anhedonistic. Anhedonism. So he developed this no need for sex.

And his testosterone, we tested him, his testosterone was zero. Whoa. He was just shut down. So he's ready to die, probably. Well, there's a lot of problems with not having enough testosterone. Depression, kill yourself, suicide, suicide, and suicide. Well, you say zero, but what was his actual level? It was probably 130-something.

Really, really low. In the literature, they look at anything less than 320, 400 by some others. Now, when you see the science that goes behind the athletic commissions, where they have to do certain tests for drugs and do certain tests for various performance-enhancing substances, Do you think that they should be testing people's free testosterone? They should be making sure that people are healthy enough to compete? In 2006, I was on ESPN to answer that question. It's very difficult to give someone an elixir of youth and say, don't use it. So if you give someone the opportunity to use testosterone, they're going to tend to abuse it.

Right. So it means monitoring them before they play the game. But look at football. How old are you when you start playing Pop Warner? I never played football. I'm too smart for that shit. Oh, good. So the bottom line is-

Too little. Too little. At what point do you start testing to make sure the hormones are in a normal balance? Right. When do you start testing to make sure the hormones are in a normal balance? Right. When do you know? As soon as you possibly can to test them. And then every year you check them to see if they're dropping. Also, you know because they've had documented head-to-head injury or they've been dinged and they've got their bell rung.

It's really, that's the difficulty. The commissions won't allow it. You know, look what happened to Lance Armstrong. Aside from everything else, he had a seminoma cancer of his testicle and he was put on replacement levels of testosterone and he was allowed to. But then he got greedy and started on a lot of other things, started in embellishing his levels. really yeah that's what they say and you know a lot of the French open people have some of them have been nailed because they had tested look what happened to James Tony after fighting Jose in Madison Square Garden they tested him and they found that his they

said deca nangelo and taconate, which is a form of testosterone, was 13 and the cutoff was 9. But the testing that they do doesn't detect the drug directly. It's indirect. So our testing technology is really bad. Still bad. Bad. Still bad. But Olympic level testing is really good, right?

But athletic commission testing is not quite at that level. Is that what it is? It's the difference between urine testing and blood testing. So it should be blood. It should be blood. I don't care, you know, the, what is it, the leagues, the group, the leagues, what is it? VEDA? Are you talking about like anti-doping?

It's the ones that protect the, no, it's not the anti-doping. It's the leagues, the ones who protect the players from invasion. Is that what it is? Unions? Players' unions. Is it a players' union? Yeah, I would call it players' union. Okay, it's players' union.

You know, they protect the player from invasion of privacy by having it urine as opposed to blood. The blood is more accurate. Well, that's one of the things I was going to ask you. I mean, how much of sports today really isn't possible without some sort of performance enhancing drugs? I think every sport is possible without any enhancement. Possible in the level that you're seeing it today? Yes. I mean, eating right. I mean, if you really want to get critical, if you're eating really well, that should be illegal because it's enhancing. If you're eating really well, that should be illegal because it's enhancing. Right.

If you're taking vitamin supplements, that's illegal because it's enhancing. Protein powders. Protein powders, taking creatine, you're taking ribose, you're taking magnesium, taking calcium, all these things that have benefits. You're taking resveratrol, arginine. It all helps in the body. So these things should be illegal if you follow that trend of thought. You should not be doing anything that puts your capabilities above what the normal level is. But when you see something like the Tour de France specifically, I have heard that the numbers that they achieve in the Tour de France are literally impossible

unless you're taking drugs. Blood doping is very common where they take their blood out and they put it back in. Rithropoietin used to be very heavily used, which stimulates your body to produce more red blood cells. Grotorm was great. Provigil was great. I mean, I know because in reading some of the documents that come to me to evaluate cases, you know, a lot of things were being used to enhance their capabilities. Things like DHEA, Mark McGuire, you know, I only used androstenedione. Right. Now, IOC, the International Olympic Committee, doesn't allow for us to use or for the client patients to use DHEA, which comes from Mexican wild yams, natural source phytohormones.

Don't let them use pregnenolone. Don't let them use androstenedione, which is now off the market. hormones. Don't let them use pregnenolone. Don't let them use androstenedione, which is now off the market. You can't have androstenedione because it only takes one chemical reaction to make it into testosterone. Terastribulus, which is a plant-based testosterone natural, that's banned. Tribulus is banned? Tribulus is banned. I thought tribulus was extremely mild. It still has the ability to become testosterone, terastribulus. Wow. Yeah.

But isn't it like bioavailability? It's like very small, isn't it? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's on their list. You look at their list. They've got- That's so crazy.

They've got decongestants. They have asthma medication. You have to get three cardinals and the pope to sign off on you for asthma to use some of the rescue inhalers because they can give you a great energy surge. Well, I know some guys who are on Adderall. They're prescribed Adderall. They were told they have to get off it to compete in MMA. Yeah. So they have ADD.

And believe it or not, there are articles that talk about testosterone deficiency and ADD. Also in women with anorexia nervosa who have failed antidepressant therapy, checking for testosterone deficiency. It's such a good point that you were making about that vitamins should be illegal, that food should be illegal, healthy nutritional supplements should be illegal because they all make you perform better correct so at what point in time are we gonna? Have something like what we're dealing with now is like they're injecting steroids, and they're doing hormones But when they start getting into genetic engineering of human beings like at what point in time our athletics gonna be even valid anymore if you're Engineering super people mm-hmm as they're gonna become a point in time do you think I mean you're look you're engineering super people is there going to become a point in time do you think

i mean you're you're a scientist you're a doctor you're a smart dude when you're looking at the future of human enhancement and not just on a chemical level or hormonal level like you know you're educated in but in you know when you when you look at it in a technological level yeah i think these genetic enhancements are for a specific use, like military. Like if you want to be the Hulk. If you want to be the Hulk or you want to be Captain America. Could you imagine if they decide to do that? We develop an entire army of Hulk dudes that literally are built like the Hulk.

They're bulletproof. They have fucking spider skin that's mixed with spider silk. They're already developing that? Spider-Man, yeah. Well, they're developing a, there's an artificial skin that they're trying to create that's mixed with spider silk. So it becomes literally bulletproof. You'd have bulletproof skin. Wow.

Giant, huge Hulk dudes. You tell me some guys in Nebraska sitting on a farm thinking about going over to Iraq and kicking some ass. And they go, listen, man, I'm thinking about doing the Hulk program. Man, you know that shit's permanent. Hey, man, so I'm a Hulk forever. Whatever. I'll be bulletproof. Fuck it. If they offer that to soldiers, we're going to have a real problem on our hands.

We're going to have an army of Hulks. Better do away with war. Yes. Do you think that would work? That army of Hulks would have everybody backing off? It's like, well, you haven't had nuclear war since 1947. Who hasn't? Well, we haven't. We haven't had nuclear war.

Yeah, wasn't it? When we dropped the bombs on Hiroshima? Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that 47? No. 45? 45, yeah. 45.

The Enola Gay. If you stop thinking about that, that's a terrible thing to say. You should have just kept it to yourself. You're that guy. Hey, I have to. This is free for all. It is certainly that. I want a straw with some paper wads.

I mean, it's literally been the last time anybody used a nuclear bomb. Against someone. Yeah, and we all have them. It's kind of maybe that's what's going on with the genetic engineering we all become the Hulk and everybody just stops that makes sense the fuck it does

that makes sense do you worry though that you know there is going to come a point in time where there's not going to be natural humans or do you think it's exciting

do you think that it could be in some way dangerous that we genetically engineer human beings to live to be a thousand years old to be able to jump over buildings or do you, I mean, how do you feel about it? I think that we've been modified already. We've been modified. And with what we eat, we modify ourselves. What we've been injected with, we've modified ourselves. And I think that

there are, let's see, there's a center that's using stem cells to generate new heart valves. So we're going to have artificial, natural artificial replacement organs. So you go to the bank and you press a new heart or you press a longer schlong or whatever the situation is. We'll have medications to make our heart work better, our lungs breathe better, to bring in more oxygen if we have any oxygen left in our atmosphere. It's dropped from 21% to, I think, or 22% down to 19%. Our oxygen level in our atmosphere has dropped? Has dropped. Since when? Millions of years, it's dropped. Over millions of years. They found oxygen trapped in ice that's dated back millions of years,

and they measured the amount of oxygen in it. Wasn't that part of the theory why dinosaurs were so large? Higher oxygen concentration? There's a higher oxygen concentration, and that they were able to move through the atmosphere more easily because their considerable bulk would have been not so much of an impediment to movement with this different atmosphere. Again, a theory that I fucking glanced over,

and then I'm spouting out as if I wrote the paperwork myself. So over millions of years, the oxygen level has been dropping. And also, you know, we're killing down the regenerating sources in the Amazon. Right. Right. We're killing all the, you know, the trees and everything to build houses. The Amazon thing is really depressing. Yeah.

I was listening to something on the way over here where it was a discussion of the Peruvian rainforest and their collection of rubber in the early 1900s and how this population of indigenous people went from 45,000 down to 3,500 in little over five, six years. They made these people go out and collect rubber for them, and they gave them a quota that they had to reach, and every ounce that they were under that quota they would take out in human flesh so they would chop people's arms off or you know a pound put them on a scale like they they slaughtered these people and scared the fuck out of them the same sort of techniques that cortez used uh on the uh on the aztecs way way back in the day

so it's like literally the same sort of practice but it happened in the early 1900s. Terrifying shit. The amount of evil shit that goes on in the rainforest. They just chop it down. Make a profit. Chop it down. There's plenty of it. Keep going. Until one day they're going to get to a point in time where they realize they just hacked down

a hundred million thousand year old trees and it's going to take a thousand years for them to grow back and now we're fucked. Yeah, fortunately people like Bono and Cher have been buying up large blocks of territory in the Amazon

to preserve it. Could you imagine if the earth has to be saved by Bono and Cher? Together they save the earth. Who else? With Google.

They get together with Google and they save the earth. They've been buying up the rainforest? Yep. How cheap is the rainforest that they could just buy it up like that? Who's selling it to them? Who owns that shit?

The government. The government. Do they really own it? Shit. It's the earth. Earth's place. The idea that people are just going to keep doing that until they run out of forest is absolutely terrifying. Yeah.

Because it could happen. And all the medicinal things that we're losing because they say there are species of plants and animals, insects and bugs and so forth that have been decimated, removed off the planet, extinct. Yeah, it's terrifying stuff. You know about the Brazilian wandering spider that they've discovered in the Amazon? No, I've never seen it wandering.

They're doing research on it to try to convert. They're doing research on it to try to convert it into a Viagra-type medication because the sting of the wandering spider injects a type of venom that causes you to have an insanely painful erection. And if you survive, which a lot of people don't, it's a very toxic spider. But if you do survive, your penis will be broken forever. It'll never work again. That it somehow or another interacts with your body's production of nitric oxide

and it just over floods your system with it and your whole body goes into this incredibly painful shocking state of muscle contraction, including your... Really? And then it breaks like a fucking like a ballpark Frank. painful, shocking state of muscle contraction, including your cock. Really? And then it breaks like a ballpark Frank.

You know how they plump when you cook them? That's what's going to happen. Pop. Boom. By just an evil spider. So they're trying to convert this thing into some sort of a Viagra thing. Yeah, you just use two Sudafed. Sudafed works?

To counter it. Oh. Are you joking?ed. Sudafed works? To counter it. Oh. Are you joking? Nope. What do you mean? Sudafed will counter the effect. Of the Brazilian wandering spider? Of like Viagra.

If you tell me it's working the same thing as Viagra, Levitra, Xylose. I don't think it works the same. I mean, obviously, it's way more potent. Yeah. But it still blocks the same thing. Okay. So, and if you do that, what do you take and how much? You take Sudafed.

But what is the... I think it's 30 milligrams per tablet and it's two tablets. But what is Sudafed? It's a decongestant. It reverses... No, no, no. I mean, like, is there a chemical name for Sudafed? Pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine. Oh, okay. So it's like a speed. Yeah. So Sudafed is like a speed sort of? Yeah. it causes the blood vessels to do this. Viagra causes it to do this. This causes it to do that. Wow. So if you take that sort of speed stuff after you take Viagra, your unbelievably painful erection will go down.

Correct. Yeah. And it's called priapism. Those poor bastards. Sometimes they have to get their penises drained. Yeah. Ouchie wawa. It's because they got crazy, right?

They went too nutty. Too much. Too much. You got too crazy. You got that 10-hour boner, son. Now you're not so happy. People are so stupid, though. Like, if you give them the, they can order as many cheeseburgers as they want.

I want five. Five cheeseburgers. If you just give them a bottle of this crazy Brazilian wandering spider dick pill, and they take that shit home, they're just going to suck down the whole bottle. People are nutty. Where'd you read that? Scientific American? I know it because it's in my heart. Because I'm very intuitive and I'm a healer. I'm out there holding hands with people and healing them. I met a dude once who told me he was a healer. I walked away. I was like, we're not talking anymore, dude. You're not a fucking

healer. I'm a heal're not a fucking healer. I'm a healer. Basically a healer. Have you ever had anybody try to heal you, Mark Gordon? No chick stories. No. Settle down. It's not that kind of show.

No, I've never had anyone try to heal me other than an MD. Well, then you're a smart man. And a psychiatrist and a bottle of scotch. Scotch doesn't work. As long as you have that glutathione nearby. Glutathione, hormone replenishment, keeping my hormones. I lost. I was at the beginning of this whole sojourn that I went on from being diagnosed with a hormone deficiency. I weighed 178 pounds, 21% body fat.

18 months later, I was 214 pounds at 9 to 10 pounds, 9 to 10% body fat. 18 months later, I was 214 pounds at 9 to 10% body fat. Wow. Yeah. Because the thyroid deficiency, you know, was helping me to gain all this weight and load testosterone. Do you think that the social stigma that's attached to people cheating in sports and steroids that keeps people from exploring the idea of hormonal replacement, there seems to be a stigma behind it,

like the idea of taking testosterone or whatever the fuck you're taking, growth hormone. I think it's a medical issue where the medical community as a whole has taken this position of demonizing testosterone and growth hormone and all the hormone and also saying that they don't really need to be replaced. about how it improves mental functioning, how it improves depression, anxiety, and how it improves personal interactions, sexual drive, physical stamina, and so forth and so on. And you get a number of articles that come out to refute it because it just doesn't fit in the social cultural design that is being made for us.

And the articles that come out to refute it, you're talking about scientific articles. Scientific articles. What's the basis of their argument against it? Well, if you really read close their scientific study, like the one that came out recently, you probably saw, it was in, I think, New England Journal of Medicine or the JAMA, where it said that people who take testosterone after they've had a cardiovascular event, heart attack or something, or had a stint put in or had open-heart surgery, that they die at a couple of percents greater than the people who don't use it.

But if you looked at the study, it was a flawed study. It was a flawed study, and it was spun so that it would put more fear into people about testosterone. Do you think that that's done on purpose? Do you think that this is something like they say, okay, what is the angle where we can attack testosterone? Well, you have this angle. You could say we have this one test, and it could be interpreted erroneously this way. So let's do that and pretend it's under good faith. Correct.

this way. So let's do that and pretend it's under good faith. Correct. So there are academicians, there's one that I interact with at UCLA who reviewed and wrote a little article, a little statement on how flawed this study was. And, you know, there are people coming up that people can become famous for either developing something or refuting something that was developed. You know, just amount of equal amount of people want to hear that what you developed is bullshit. Just as bad as people, there's an equal amount of people who want to hear that what you developed is beneficial. We don't want to hear that when it comes to science and medicine. We don't ever want to believe there's ego involved. We just don't, we just, we don't want to hear it. Yeah. Right. People, people fight that. Like they fight

the daddy's an asshole. If you found out that daddy really was an asshole, you're like, God damn it. I was holding out hope that daddy wasn't an asshole. Why is that? Human nature. It's just human nature. We never want to think that companies would compete knowing that the result would be that you might take something effective out of the market just because you're trying to profit, but people could benefit from it. I know that there are congressional laws behind growth hormone that makes it illegal for any doctor to dispense it for, quote unquote, anti-aging.

Well, see, why does it make it illegal for anyone to dispense it for any reasons if it's effective in enhancing health? Correct. But a colleague of mine who sees a lot of people from the government in Washington, a lot of them are on growth hormone. Of course they are. The old fucking creepy bastards. Yeah, it's like...

Trying to live forever and shut everybody else down. That's right. It's like the... I mean, the Constitution states that whatever Congress passes, they have to use too. But they've exempted themselves from the new healthcare laws. Well, there's just a lot of really weird rules. Like there has to be something grossly wrong with you for you to be prescribed something

that could be beneficial. Like you know the story behind Provigil. Sure. When Provigil first came along, they were trying to make a drug that enhances cognitive function and the government was like, no, it's got to cure a disease. And they went, okay, narcolepsy. So they used it for fucking narcolepsy, but really what it is

is a performance-enhancing drug for mental acuity. But how crazy is that? You can't say that. You can't say, well, we've got something that makes you think better. Are you stopping a disease?

If you're not, stop right now. What you have is illegal. Well, they found a use for ProVigil and NuVigil that's outside of narcolepsy, and it's called workplace fatigue. And they gave it what's called an ICD-9, which is the International Classification of Disease coding. Dude, I got a disease. Yeah. You've got, you know, because you work so late. Dude, I got a disease. Yeah, you've got, you know, because you work so late.

Yes, I have a disease. The morning you wake up and you're fatigued. I need a ProVigil. How many scripts do you want of it? Those are probably not good to eat every day though, right? No. Tim Ferriss was on the podcast talking about that, in fact, and he said there's no biological free lunch.

Correct. That one seems like it always have to pay. Seems like it works a little too well to be safe. Well, new Vigil, cheaper and also smoother. Really? Well, new Vigil is actually the only shit that I've tried. But it's pretty shocking how well that stuff works. You almost are reluctant to talk about it.

How much is each pill? I don't know. About $150? $150 milligrams? Or money-wise? I don't know. About $150? $150 milligrams? Or money-wise? I don't know. It's like $20 to $25 a pill. How much is Levitra, Silicin, Viagra now?

I used to buy it because I have a pharmacist license. Because you wanted a hard dick. That's why you bought it, God damn it. Absolutely. Because you had a pharmacist license. Why didn't you buy birth control pills while you were out? You didn't need those, all right, fella? I personally don't take birth control pills.

Yeah, I wouldn't either. I think it's a bad idea. Just let nature run its course. Absolutely. Get pregnant. If you get pregnant, be the first. Absolutely. There's a lot of reluctance to talk about ProVigil and NuVigil.

In fact, I had a guy that's from MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Psychedelic Studies group, wasn't going to tell the audience that he was on ProVigil while the show was on. I was like, why would you hide that? He's like, well, it just seems like... He goes, I flew here, I was very tired. It's a totally legitimate reason to take it. And it's not a bad thing.

It's not like you're drunk. It's not like you're out of control. You're functioning totally normally. Why be ashamed? And he wasn't really ashamed, but he was a bit concerned about the, like, people would not take him seriously. Oh, the guy wasn't even sober when he was on the show. Oh, that's what it is. You're doing scientific studies.

You're not just using it as an excuse or a crutch. So he was a little bit reluctant, which I thought was really fascinating. But it's not speed. No, no, not at all. It doesn't warp your cognition, your brain, and you're not talking rapidly and smoking cigarettes and tremors. Yeah, that can be a real issue with people, huh? Mm-hmm.

This stuff doesn't do it. I've seen people that have had real problems with that Adderall stuff, where they just get whacked out. You know what it is? They can't stop. What? Methamphetamine. Adderall stuff, where they just get whacked out. You know what it is? They can't stop. What? Methamphetamine. Adderall is methamphetamine.

Adderall is methamphetamine. Listen, I hate to interrupt here, but I have to pee. I want to keep this show going, but I have to pee. So, Jamie, please talk to him about meth. Okay. I've taken Adderall before. I took it once, and I wanted to do some art projects. And I'd never taken it.

A friend gave it to me, so I took a time-release capsule, hoping that it would just give me a little dink. But it kept me up for two days. I felt like I was poopy all day. Yeah. You know, I restricted my own license, my own prescribing license. So I only do Class 3. You know, they have Class 1, you know, they have a class up to class

one, you know, heroin and, uh, quaaludes and whatever else. And two is, um, Adderall. And I restricted my license. I had so many people coming in thinking that they can just get Adderall because they're asking for it. And I'm very, very strict on how I dispense stuff. I try not to dispense any medications that I don't absolutely have to. And I find that a lot of times that when you correct the underlying hormone deficiencies, that the person gets better, their cognition, their energy level improves. In fact, in traumatic brain injury, the number one symptom across all the studies is fatigue. And the minute you correct their hormones, the fatigue is gone. I. I had, you know, initially a lot of people coming in from the military. The military likes using

things like Adderall and Provigil and NuVigil. NuVigil and Provigil, they work very well without causing a lot of side effects. But methamphetamine, the silliest thing that I have is patients who come in on a multitude of antipsychotic drugs like antidepressants and so forth. And because they're on so much to control how bad they feel, they're fatigued. And so the doctors counters it with Adderall and then adds another drug because they can't sleep at night called Tracidon so they can sleep. Here's the question though. Is there ever going to come a point in time where they can engineer the perfect blend and you take something and everything just works perfect? I mean, and if we're enhancing our bodies in any way with new chemicals and new medical innovation, do you think there's going to be,

I mean, maybe this is just, they're just not that good at it yet, but one day they're going to have this one pill and you take it and boom. Yeah. I don't think there'll be just one pill. I think there'll be one pill for people like you and one pill for people like me because we're so genetically diverse and biochemically diverse that it would be nice to have one pill fits all. But that's. It's impossible. It's impossible. Right. But do you feel that there will be some sort of conditions like that in the very near and foreseeable future?

Yeah. You know, they're working on a I don't know if you remember. future? Yeah. You know, they're working on a, I don't know if you remember, I think it was Star Trek number two, with Bones is walking through the hospital in San Francisco, and he hands a pill to a woman who's getting ready to have a renal kidney transplant, and she takes it, and her kidneys start functioning again. We're going to be finding medications that turn the genetic code on for different areas, and that's why I was asking about, you know, your genetics being tested. We have products that are being studied to turn on the genetic matrix. And we have others that stimulate what they call epigenetics. It's not the genes, but it's the things that control the genes. So you can influence the genes directly, and then you can influence the way the genes are expressed in epigenetics.

So I think they'll find, once they finalize the... We have the map, but we don't know where we're going with genetic coding. We know that it's A, C, D, B, B, B, B, but we don't know what that piece does. We don't know, you know, we know the BR gene for breast cancer, we know this thing for that cancer, We know the BR gene for breast cancer. We know this thing for that cancer and so forth. And we're still trying to figure out what that coding means, what each piece of it means. It's a piece of a puzzle. And is it just because it's a new science and it's just an incredibly complex puzzle, but you're confident that eventually they'll have it? Eventually they'll have it.

And once they learn how to master without creating zombies or something. Fuck. Zombies, man. Come on, dude. Yeah. My kids got me into Walking Dead. You're going to quit right after this last season. You're going to get upset with yourself.

Well, for watching it. The first season was fucking spectacular. The first season got everybody hooked. And it's just not like that anymore. But when you see something like World War Z or you see something like that, do you worry that one day there's going to be some sort of a... Absolutely. Jesus Christ. Absolutely.

You know the old saying, don't fuck with Mother Nature. I never heard that. I grew up in New Jersey. Don't fuck with Mother Nature. Boston and New Jersey. Yeah, got you. Sure, sure. They didn't teach us that in Boston either. No. Don't fuck with Mother Nature. Boston and New Jersey. Yeah, got you. Sure, sure. They didn't teach us that in Boston either.

No. Don't fuck with Mother Nature. You were in parochial school? Mother Nature was a cunt that made it snow. Yeah. That's what it was. Okay. No, I was in a parochial school.

So what's going to happen? I'm not even sure exactly what parochial school is. That's right. What is it? You get paroked. It's a religious school. Oh, no. For wayward boys.

Catholic school for one year. Oh. Sorry. I did Loyola for two. Good Jewish boy. Yeah. That's where I got my graduate degree. Congratulations.

You made it through. That's like nom. Absolutely. So tell me. So, you know, my fear is that when we start playing with stuff we don't fully understand, we're going to have a lot of errors or a number of errors. That's why up in Antarctica they have those little compounds so in case anything goes wrong, it's in one little area.

Do you listen to the Alex Jones show? No. I know. FEMA camps in Antarctica! No, this is biotechnology camps. Oh, okay. Oh, so they have, like, in case the shit hits the fan. Yeah, cold areas. you know, it's not

like, what was that from? Ah, jeez. The zombie movie. The first one that started the whole series. It was from a computer program. Computer game. Computer game? Yeah, it came out of a computer game where the... A zombie came out of a

computer game? No, no, no. Back off. Hey, easy. You're the one that's shitty at explaining things. I just can't remember the name of the program because I don't do games. Right. I don't play games. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Milo Jojovich.

What's the name of that series? Resident Evil. Resident Evil, yeah. That was a computer game, wasn't it? Goddamn, she's hot. She's like surface. Yeah, PlayStation. That chick is surface of the sun hot. Like scary hot. Like, she's hot. She's like surface. Yeah, PlayStation. That chick is surface

of the sun hot. Like scary hot. Like ruin your life hot. She's matured. So anyway, you know, they were playing with trying to enhance the quality of life

and they came with a retrovirus that created the problem. So if you look at probably Walking Dead, it's for retrovirus. Well, Rage was the stuff that they'd given

the chimpanzees. Oh, look at that. God damn damn that's a woman oh that shit makes me nervous women like that make me nervous man i know me i'm too stupid to be around someone like that um so that was uh in the movie uh 28 days later that rage they had given it to these chimpanzees and they had developed some sort of a genetic disease some creation an artificial disease and it got out and turned everybody into savages that was a realistic scenario well they're all potentially realistic when we start screwing around with genetics you know it's all potential it's like you know when they were making the atomic bomb they they were afraid to to light it off because they thought that the ionosphere would be ignited and the Earth would burn.

Yeah. But they said, we'll see. We'll see. That's right. But that's the attitude they took. That is the attitude they took. Oh, retrovirus, you know, it can make zombies out of everybody. But we're not sure.

Let's see if it enhances them before it makes them into a zombie. sure, let's see if it enhances them before it makes them into a zombie. And it's not like we don't have massive amounts of examples of terrible situations when it comes to animal life and spiders and tigers in Africa or tigers in Asia and lions in Africa. There's plenty of examples of horrific hells on earth if you happen to be in them. And if you're an antelope and you're running around and there was no lions and all of a sudden the lion was there, you'd be like, fuck. Well, if we're running around cities and there's no zombies, then one day there are zombies.

That's going to fucking suck. And if it is one of those things where they bite you and then you have it and then you bite someone and they have it and it just spreads like in that fucking World War Z movie. Yeah, but in Walking Dead, what's the premise there? That we all already have it in us. That premise is whack. How did it happen? If I found out that I was going to be a zombie, I'd shoot myself in the fucking head. What am I going to do? This band of fucking scallywags they're trotting around the country with, they're going to fix it?

They're not going to fix that. What season are they in? What season are they in? Season a billion. Those fucks. Try watching it on television and get broken up every five minutes with a Tide ad. Try watching that shit on TV? No.

So you're worried about genetic engineering. Genetic engineering, yeah. Are you worried about it with foods? Do you eat totally organic and no GMOs and all that shit? What is this, sir? I brought you one. What is it? No GMO.

What is it called? Ratio? Ratio. Is it a protein bar? Yeah, 24 grams of protein, 12 of net carbs, and 4 of fiber. Nice. No GMO, no artificial stuff in it. What's the source of the protein?

Cum. Hey, easy. What kind of fucking doctor are you? There's people out there that are writing this down. C-U-M for common used materials. Oh, that's true. Soy.

This is soy? I thought soy made your tits grow. Maybe on you. Want to try one? Here, Jamie. This is delicious. Yeah.

The one that I didn't bring you was the peanut butter and chocolate. No, I thought soy, for real. I thought it made dudes go pregnant. Doesn't it make your estrogen grow? No, it has a light estrogen. Genistein and diasteen is found in soy, but you have to eat a whole bunch of that.

That's not true, because Brian Redband, you didn't meet him? He ate like three edamames and he started crying. Oh, jeez. Yeah, he was watching, it was a Meg Ryan film. Oh, yeah, that'll do it every time. Fucking edamame will get you, dude. Yeah, I love that stuff. Soy sauce, that shit will get you.

Well, it's a premise that I have is why, and I apologize to any of my Asian brothers and sisters. Something racist is coming. Yeah. That's like saying I'm not a racist, but. Here, this is a theory that I'm working on. Why is it that Asian women have smaller breasts than Western world women? And the reason is you look at their soy intake.

Soy has these two chemicals, genistein and diastein, which can block the estrogen receptors because it's a weak estrogen receptor. And the strong estrogen is estradiol, which causes breast tissue to grow. So women who are in Asia who migrate to Hawaii have higher, larger breasts, higher estradiol functioning, and they come to the United States even higher because we've got so much xenoestrogens in our food. That's why we talk with a high voice sometimes. We have a lot of hormones. The federal government, thank God, just said we had to take out antibiotics from some of our poultry. We can no longer use in livestock. I think this year it starts or next year. They can't use antibiotics because our resistance to antibiotics

is possibly coming from the fact that a lot of our meat has antibiotics in it so that the animals are protected. So it transfers when an animal gets antibiotics and you get the meat, you get that antibiotic? What do you think it reservoirs? It reservoirs in the tissue. Right. And is it killed off by heat or temperature or anything? You'd have to really cook it. Oh.

You'd really have to cook it. And that's not what we do. No. So, hey, how do you like your, sorry, how do you like your meat? I like venison. You like venison? Yeah. I'm on a goal.

I have a goal. In 2014, by the end of 2014, I want to be entirely game meat in my house. So you're going to go out and- Yes. Shooting things. I shot that thing over there. You shot the skull? No, I shot the whole deer.

That's what's left. I shot another one this year. You shot the skull. They're delicious. It's a thousand times better than any meat that you'd ever get at a supermarket. And on top of that, it's way healthier. It tastes different. When you eat it, you feel energized.

That shit is good for you. So it's free range. 100%. So, duh. That motherfucker was hanging out in Montana in the mountains. We crept up on him and ganked him. You shot him? Or you bowed him?

I shot him with a bullet, with a gun. But I'm going to start shooting I'm shooting archery now. I just started doing that to practice. But I'm not even thinking about shooting an animal until I get really fucking good. I wounded a deer because my scope was off because I'd fallen. And when I'd fallen, and I didn't know it was so easy to throw it off. I even asked somebody, could it be thrown off if you fell? He's like, you'd have to fall really hard.

You could drop those things and they're fine. But it turns out that the guy who installed my scope, he didn't tighten it down very much. So I wounded an animal. It's a terrible feeling. Did you chase after it? For two hours. We looked for it for two hours. And then we came to the conclusion that it's probably wounded but not mortally wounded.

It's a very fucking horrible, depressing feeling. that's probably wounded but not mortally wounded. It's a very fucking horrible, depressing feeling. Especially when I put a shitload of time into marksmanship. I went to the range and shot 90 rounds one day and then another at least 30 or 40 the next day before we went just to get everything tightened down. And I was doing it with a 300 Win Mag, a really powerful rifle. So I wanted to make sure that I was real. So the first deer I killed, perfect clean shot. But the second one, I missed

it all together. And then I wounded in the second attempt to hit it. So you're at the range with a full round with a full load? Well, there's some rifle ranges you can go to. They're outdoors, but they're rifle ranges specifically. And they have targets set up at 400 yards, 700 yards, 900 yards, 100 yards, 900 yards, 100 yards, 200 yards, the whole deal. They have like fucking these little metal things way out in the distance you can shoot at. Oh, the plates. It's good you're going to either a crossbow or a longbow because probably you won't be able to get the bullets.

Well, you can use copper. You can use copper? Yeah, that's what's going on now with like hunting. A lot of ranches and things in California, they're trying to eliminate lead because lead is really dangerous to the environment, to the animals that eat it. Birds put it in their gullet and they get sick. Animals eat the birds. People eat the animals that eat the birds. Yeah, I'm thinking more on the lines of Homeland Security buying up the millions and millions of rounds.

Is that true? Yep. That's not Alex Jones stuff? No. Homeland Security is buying up bullets. What millions of rounds. Is that true? Yep. That's not Alex Jones stuff? No. Homeland Security is buying up bullets. What are they going to do with them? They're buying up. Give them away.

Have a giveaway. Look, if they buy them, it means less for us to buy. Yeah, that's true. But people are always going to make bullets. They're just going to help out the bullet industry. People make their own loads too. Do you know that the U.S. government used to return the metal jackets to the United States to be smelted down and regenerated for bullets? And it went into the general population to do it.

You know where it's going now? Where? China. Damn it, I knew it was China. China. Yeah. Now you've got aluminum jackets? Yeah.

You've got aluminum jackets now. Some of them. Yeah, with copper bullets. Well, some of them are still brass. A lot of them are brass. But either way, I mean, the federal government trying to take away bullets at this point, it seems pretty insane. Unbelievable. I was reading an article where there was an Al Jones.

What are they doing with all that? Unless they're planning on killing us. There you are. There it is. They're like the internet, these fucks. We're going to shoot everybody's computer. Go look at, I think it's called the 302 or 327, which is the sniper rifle rounds. Look at how many they bought.

Oh my God, they're going to snipe us. And this is for Homeland Security, not for the military going outside the United States. Well, that's depressing. Maybe they know about an alien invasion that we don't. How about that? Maybe it's already here. Maybe that's why Obama's going gray. They told him about the aliens.

And he's like, fuck. God damn it. But just buy the bullets. Buy the bullets. We're going to set up snipers. Everybody get practice. The YouTube has something about lizard eyes or the lizard people. Oh, you mean David Icke?

David Icke. Yeah. He wants to come on the podcast. I don't know if I could have him on and not talk about the lizards, but I don't think he wants to talk about the lizards anymore. What is he on now? Well, he's got some actually interesting,

valid points on corruption and, you know, the Illuminati and, you know, just the way of the world. But at one point in time, he apparently, allegedly, was stating that there were certain people that are in control

and positions of power in the world that actually are lizards. Lizard people. The reptilians. The reptilians. Shapeshifters or some shit. And everybody was like,

okay. Yeah, right. So now he doesn't say that anymore. What happens if all this disinformation is to refute people like David stating about the reptilian people and they really exist? The reptilian people don't exist.

I'll tell you right now. Okay. Here's a bunch of shit that's not real. Ready? Go. Black people looking for Bigfoot. Not real. It's not real.

That doesn't exist. Let me think what else isn't real. Unicorns, definitely not real um bigfoot i gotta go with not real i know i want to go with real right i wish it was real this is um uh pat mcgee this is what you're talking this is the guy who made the werewolf in the front yard he's uh he's gonna make a movie uh on bigfoot and he's crowdsourcing it and he's building all of the parts In his lab here, and he made this video and sent it to me today. It's fucking sick It's if they wanted to do like one of those Patterson Gimlin movies now

Boy, they could freak people the fuck out because the artificial Bigfoots that they create now are Amazing the work that they've done in special effects. Look at this. They're doing this one hair at a time. This is incredible. The face looks too duck-like. Not until they put the skin over it. Yeah, no, it's incredible.

Look at this. See, he won't get TBI. It's got a lot of protection on it. That is so wild. That's neat. Wow. And that's what it looks like when it's all done. God damn, that's awesome.

That seems like something that would be in a modern version of Twilight Zone. God damn, that is amazing. Primal Rage. That looks really cool. As long as it's all shadowy. They make a big mistake when they try to make monster movies and make everything real crystal clear. Like, come on, stupid. You've got to keep shit in the shadows.

Your CGI is not that good. Stop showing off. Stop showing off with your fucking fake Bigfoot. So why isn't Bigfoot real? Why don't you think it's real? Well, I don't not think it's real. I went to the Pacific Northwest actually looking for Bigfoot for the sci-fi show that I did. And I'm convinced that I talked to people that believed that they saw something.

What it actually is, who knows. But the reality of the Pacific Northwest is the density of the forest is incredible. It's hard to imagine if you've never visited there. I had an idea in my head of what it would be like, but the enormity of it all and how insignificant and tiny I felt when I was in it, that place is like a magical rainforest.

It's a true rainforest. It's gorgeous. and the inside is filled with bright green moss and the trees are filled with bright green leaves and it's only sunny like every other day or something like that most of the time it's just raining constantly and it's fucking lush man like like a dense box of q-tips is how i describe like the the trees there and you realize once you're there like oh who knows what's out here there might be anything out here but the idea that it's gone this long with all these people looking for it no one's brought back a body nobody came across nobody shot

it nobody most likely bullshit so you're basically saying because they haven't had more evidence there's not enough evidence um that is every evidence that they've ever found, whether it's DNA testing, whether it's – that's me and Duncan in the woods. Look at us. We're looking around. We're squatching with John and Steve. Every piece of evidence that they've ever found has turned out to be bear shit or – this was a fascinating thing. We found a teepee of uh trees that were ripped out of the ground and then like put into position you know and some of them like were like

literally ripped out by their root ball like the amount of strength that someone would have to have to do that and to do it that way so that was it that was another piece there was was there was a broke off branch that was broke off in the middle of the tree and these guys were convinced that bigfoot did that cool Cool guys, man. They had a cool attitude, too, because their attitude was even if there's no Bigfoot, they're still out camping enjoying nature and indulging in this fantasy. No footprints? Well, they do find footprints. But the issue with this area of the Pacific Northwest is that what you see these guys walking on right here, that stuff is so soft.

It's so incredibly dense with pine needles. They said that there's between five and six feet of compressed pine needles under your feet. And then it eventually becomes dirt and, you know, breaks down. But it's so soft. You're walking on everything. It's like a big sponge. So you can't get footprints. It's really cool.

It's really fucking cool, though. You see elk everywhere. They're just running through that place like rats. And this woman who was one of the people that lives up there in the mountain Up in Mount Rainier She was the most convincing because she just didn't seem like a bullshit artist at all And she said she saw these elk running and she was looking to see what they were running from as she was on a hike And she turned she's like oh, there's a gorilla. Oh my god. That's Bigfoot

And she said it's the only time she ever saw it She never saw it since but she said she saw this thing. She saw it for about five or six seconds, maybe a little bit more. It moved in between trees. You know, she's trying to estimate while she's freaking out. And then she realized, holy shit, I saw a Sasquatch.

Maybe it was a bear that got hit in the face with a rock. You know, who knows? And the Canadian Indians, the native Indians of Canada, they have lots of stories on... Not just they have lots of Canada, they have lots of stories on. Not just they have lots of stories. They have over 200 different names for it. This is interesting because it doesn't mean that people haven't made up, you know, mythical animals and things in the past. They certainly have.

And if you wanted to think about some old man that lives in the woods and, you know, some why, you know, you never know what the fuck's around any corner when you're in the woods, especially back then, the Indian days. It's probably a good cautionary tale to pretend there's some giant wild man living in the woods that's much larger than you and doesn't give a fuck and hides from cameras. It seems like it's a good thing to tell

your kids. What was that movie? Henry and the Hendersons? That was most likely real. That's what I was most likely real. That was about real. That's what I was going to say. I believe that movie. I think that it's possible that there could be an animal that we haven't discovered. That it's that animal.

Ooh, that's a tough one. Oh, it's such a dense vegetation up there. It's so big. That's the problem. This thing's giant. It would need to eat a lot of food. It would need to be fucking eaten constantly. Has anyone set up either thermal sensors?

Yeah. They've set up everything. And tremors, you know. They've set up game cameras. No one's ever caught a bigfoot on a game camera. When you stop and think about how much shit gets caught on game cameras, that's quite shocking. Because they're really prevalent now. It's like the same argument about UFOs and cell phone

cameras. Well, why didn't you take a picture? Why didn't you have a camera? Everybody has a camera now. But there's still not like this massive influx of UFO videos that are legitimate. They're still all horseshit. So as these game cameras become more and more prevalent in the woods where people go out hunting or they go out sightseeing or looking for animals, you know. Wasn't there a recent in the Northwest, there was, or Midwest, there was a sighting with lights that were just hovering. Hundreds of people took pictures of it. Oh, you're talking about the

Phoenix Lights. Is that the Phoenix Lights? Yeah, the Phoenix Lights. I think that was in the late 90s. No, there was something more recent. Really? Maybe. The Phoenix Lights were I believe it was the 90s. It was gas bubbles. I talk to people that, I go to Phoenix all the time.

In fact, I'm going to Phoenix this weekend. This weekend, ladies and gentlemen, at Stand Up Live with the lovely and talented Tom Segura. But I've talked to people that were there when that happened and they were pretty convincing, man. They believe they saw something.

But what it was, who knows? They all described, a bunch of people described this giant, like, triangle that was flying silently through the sky. And, you know, maybe. Or they could have been just fucking freaking out. Area 51. Area 51. I think that's what it is.

Area 51, they launched. They just said, let's just freak out Phoenix. Area 51, they launched. They just said, let's just freak out Phoenix. How do you think we went through such a rapid technological advancement since 19, late 50s? Do you think it's because of aliens? Where do you get our technology? You're a full-on nutter.

Look at you. You're anti-vaccine. We believe in aliens. You believe that alien technology has caused- We're not alone in the universe. Hey, you say that. I feel really alone. You do? Sometimes. I'll give you a hug later. So you believe that it's actually possible that someone

has somehow or another kept people from the information that human beings have been visited and that we have actually received technology from aliens? The possibility is there. Wow. Okay. What would you say a percentage? I agree with you the possibility is there. I don't know what a percentage would be. What is the one that keeps me sane percentage versus crazy? What's the percentage? There is no. There is no.

Well, I honestly, I mean, all bullshit aside, putting myself out there not worried about what I look like. Because if you start talking about aliens, you do look like an idiot. Let's just accept that. I submit to that. I don't think we look like regular monkeys. I think we look different. It's weird. It's weird how we look different.

And I know that there's been a bunch of different stages of us along the way. I get all that. But, man, they seem like they were pretty recent. Those fucking things seem pretty recent. And when they find out that people's brain size doubled over a period of 2 million years and there's no logical explanation, I go, oh, what? Wait a minute. How did we start talking? How did all that happen?

Is it possible that something came down and fucked with us the same way we fuck with virtually everything that we find in the wild? Is that possible? I mean, we inject fucking lipstick into rabbits to see if it kills them, you know? Guano. Yeah. Bat shit. That's what they use for lipstick? Used to be what it was used.

I think they're still using it in some manufacturing. I heard the most horrible story about bat shit. These guys in Africa, these scientists, were doing some sort of an exploration on bats. And there was one particular cave where these bats came out at night, and they came out in massive, massive numbers. So these guys set up a camera, and they stayed out there to catch it. So as the bats were flying out of the cave, they would take shots of them. They didn't realize or think that the bats shit when they come out of the cage so the cave rather okay so the bats these millions upon millions of bats all shit on them and they got deathly ill and were dead within weeks

both men died of just horrible diseases horrible like hemorrhagic viruses. Their eyes were fucking bleeding. I mean, like, really terrible ways to die. They got introduced to all sorts of terrible pathogens from bat shit. Bats just shitting so much on them, like, inches of shit. So they were covered in this horrible, toxic shit from these flying monsters.

Sounds like a great premise for a movie. Team People, ladies and gentlemen. Was it? I'm on Team People. Bats can go fuck themselves. That's wrong. Shit non-scientist. Meanwhile, those guys could have been saved with an umbrella.

How about that? You know, an umbrella and a map of the territory. Why didn't they set something up in advance? Let's see what happens first. Let's not be there. Can we set a remote camera? I mean, what if something weird happens? Like Dracula comes out with them.

That's a terrible way to die, though, man. Death by bat shit. Virus is even worse. Yeah, there's a lot of ugly ones, huh? Mm-hmm. Ebola. Yeah. Did they have that one under control? of ugly ones, huh? Mm-hmm. Ebola. Yeah. Did they have that one under control?

How do you get Ebola? It was manufactured. Really? Do you think so? I think a lot of the viruses were manufactured. There was a documentary on the HIV. Freaked me out. That's how my uncle, who's a homophobe, uses it. Yeah, they all got the HIV.

Those fucking with the HIV, you know, these guys. Dallas Buyers Club. The HIV. There was a documentary on. On HIV? No, on HIV. Trying to go through the history of how it developed. And the way the story was told was there was a French, you know, one of the largest vaccine companies is a French company.

It starts with an M. And they were in Zaire and at a camp trying to grow a smallpox vaccine on a culture. And they couldn't do it. So what they ended up doing, because it would die, it wouldn't sustain it. So they ended up getting simian, which is monkey liver or monkey kidney. And they grew the virus, the smallpox virus on it. And what happened was they believed that the monkey's virus crossed over from monkey to human and in this vaccine. And who was the first case that was documented? This French guy that came to the United States was the plague, the typhoid Mary,

who brought it over to the States. So a French guy came over here, so he's patient zero in the United States? He was patient zero. How many dudes fucked that guy, like a million? Don't know. He was gay. He wasn't gay or he was? No, he was.

He was gay. Yeah, I'm trying to find this documentary. It was like two hours long and it was just awesome. Is it substantiated? Like, is it disputed? Has it been debunked? Do you know? That would be the first thing that I would need. Well, what happened was the people that were doing the project, the program.

Do you remember what it's called? No. It was maybe almost 10 years ago that it was on. And it was a documentary on smallpox and smallpox HIV. And they went to the Louis Pasteur Institute in Paris, and there was supposedly a sample of the original culture that if they would go through that original culture, they would see the simian virus becoming mutating over to being human whoa this simian si

si V it was simian immune virus and then when it's a humans human immuno virus HIV Wow yeah someone gave me a book on experiments on viral, and in it it talks about HIV and Ebola. I'll give you the book if you want it. So how come that's like hidden knowledge? It's not hidden knowledge. It's hiding in plain sight. It's hiding in plain sight, but nobody talks about it.

No one talks about it. No one reads it. Because there was that old Sam Kesson joke about AIDS coming from a monkey. And then Dave Chappelle had an even better joke, actually. It was like talking about how hard it was to fuck a monkey. Like, how can somebody who fucked a monkey tell me somebody fucked a monkey? I don't believe it. That's such a great premise.

Just thinking about that is so true. It makes you laugh just thinking about a guy trying to hold on to a monkey while it's biting him. Spider monkey? I don't know if I buy that. I feel like if that was the truth, that that would be out there. Okay, let's try to do a Google search on it and see if there's a debunking. Since you haven't done your due diligence, sir, before you come at us with this outlandish claim. Was the smallpox virus?

Yeah, it was in Zaire, French company, French group. And I don't know if it was origin of AIDS. Okay, there's a smallpox virus HIV documentary. Here it goes. What year? AIDS linked to smallpox vaccine. Let's see. I think it's called the origin...

Oh, the world's most dangerous virus. Hmm. No, that's not it. I was seeing a Nova documentary on it, but I don't know if that's the one. Yeah, it seems like there's quite a few. It's hard to tell. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but sitting there watching it, I was just hard to tell. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, but sitting there watching it, I was just glued to it. I usually don't watch television if I can avoid it, except for Walking Dead, which now I'm going to stop since you said. Yeah, this, well, I don't, I'm just kidding. I'll still watch it. I'm a bitch. I'm just upset. They're beating me up, my brain up. Um, yeah, there's an article in here from the London Times about smallpox vaccine triggered AIDS virus. An AIDS epidemic may have been

triggered by the mass vaccination campaign which eradicated smallpox. Whoa. The World Health Organization which masterminded a 13-year campaign is studying the new scientific evidence suggesting that the immunizations with immunization with smallpox vaccine

V-A-C-C-I-N-I-A V-A-C-C-I-N-I-A V-A-C-C-I-N-I-A, vaccinia, awakened the unsuspected dormant human immune deficient virus infection. In this program, they said it was, there's a term for it, it crossed species. So is that their positive spin on it? That it awakened the unsuspected dormant human immunodeficiency virus? Instead it created it. It created it. Simian virus stay, viruses and monkeys stay in monkeys.

Human viruses stay in humans. But when it crosses the species, which is a very difficult thing to do unless it mutates. So what happened in this premise of this documentary quote that I saw was that by culturing the smallpox vaccine, smallpox in, on simian monkey kidneys that whatever they were feeding it allowed it to cross the genetics i see got it i see so much like swine flu and things along those lines cross cross from cattle and livestock and birds they cross over to people they cross over that's a real issue isn't it um that's that's why they're manipulating or people manipulating genetic code and mixing things together. It scares me.

Yeah, it seems like it should. And it seems like, I mean, I joke around about it, but when people are concerned about that, they get labeled into that category. Oh, you're one of those guys, huh? Listen, if it wasn't for GMO food, if it wasn't for golden rice, it would be a billion less people on the earth. People will always tell you that. Golden rice is a big one. They always bring that one up.

Whatever. Maybe the earth could use a billion less people. How about that? That's why we have diseases and why we have wars. Do you really think that wars are for that? They're to wipe out people on purpose? Like the Illuminati get together and they work out a deal? I think it's not specifically only about eliminating people and population control.

But I think there's, if you look at the best financing, war machinery, war is incredible financing. How much money have we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan? $50. That would be great. Yeah, it's a bargain. When you really find out what the actual numbers are, that would be like the Super Colbert character, a guy who just makes up numbers.

You know the truth about Afghanistan and Iraq? Yeah, tell me. They spent $50. That's it. Everything else was donated. Donated from churches and good people. They wanted us to go over there and kill those fucks. Yeah. And let's see, all the oil fields in Iraq were given to what, Gulf and Exxon as

a gift for their humanitarian service to the military there? I buy that. Yeah, so did I. It seems totally logical. And then the $20 billion that was sitting in the bank from all the oil being sold worldwide while the war was going on. And why didn't they use that for the war? Because we were busy. Yeah.

We had shit to do. We had to protect you. We need to print money here. Fighting for freedom. Don't worry about it. You worry about your own shit. Worry about us. We're taking care of you.

If it wasn't for us, you wouldn't even be getting any freedom. Yeah. Well, it's a great argument. Yeah, as long as you're not going around creating the AIDS virus. Yeah, a few good men, huh? Creating the AIDS virus in your spare time. Is it possible that other diseases you think

that have been accidentally created? Stupidity. Stupidity, is that a disease or is that just a function of being a human and being allowed to be stupid. If you give people the option to be stupid, they often... Be on your cell phone all the time. Okay. Play stupid games.

I don't do those. Watch television. I have discipline. Yeah, dumbing down. Not me, buddy. I'm up at 6 doing kettlebells. 6 p.m. That's when I get up.

I'm at 6 a.m. I do like to get up early every now and then just to say, boy, this sucks. I don't want to do this anymore. What time do your kids get up? They get up early. I'm at 6 a.m. I do like to get up early every now and then just to say, boy, this sucks. I don't want to do this anymore. What time do your kids get up? They get up early. I'm just kidding. I know you're up early. I take them to school.

When I take them to school, most of the time my wife does, but when I do take them to school, I actually run with the 5-year-old. It's like running track. We'll run laps and shit. They have a whole thing they're doing to try to introduce kids to exercise at an early age, and they make it fun and exciting for them. And cut out all the crap in their diet. That's a problem, man. I see some of the things her little friends have, and little five-year-olds are eating just shit for lunch.

Like, God, it's just things that they think their kid will eat, and they're worried that their kid won't eat healthy food. Like, your kids will eat healthy food, man. You just got to, you know. Train them. Yeah, give them the healthy food, and then give them a you know, a little bit of delicious treats as a reward.

You know, give them something because they did their homework. Let them have a little every now and then. Don't make it a big deal. Let them have a little cake. Let them have a little ice cream. But you gotta make sure that they understand that in order for their body to be healthy and not get diseases, it's a communication thing. And some people don't even

want to do that work. They're like, this fucking kid's not listening. Give him the cake. Give him the cake. Give him the candy. I'm tired of him crying. I don't care. Give him the candy, you little fuck. It's terrible.

It's the passive way. It's just weak people. And it's also people that aren't concerned about their own diets. I know many people who never give any consideration whatsoever to the fuel that they put inside their body. They just don't. They don't think about vegetables. They don't think about phytonutrients.

They don't think about minerals. They don't think about being hydrated. They treat their body like it's some rental car they're just pouring shit down into. Like, oh, it would run on premium? Yes. Would also run on human shit? Yes, it will. Well, I'm just going to back my ass up to this fucking hose and shit into my car.

That's what people would do if they could. That's how they treat their body. You could have a guy who works all day and forces his body to do very stressful computations, and he's running on coffee and cheeseburgers from McDonald's and candy and a fucking protein bar that's filled with GMO corn. That's all possible. And we wonder what the fuck is wrong with us as a society when we can't get our mental shit together, where our bodies are rotting apart, Dr. Gordon.

You got it. Rotting apart. Where's my cronut? Where's my cronut? Cronut? Is that a cronut? What's a cronut? It's a croissant donut.

Oh, a cronut. Well, you're very specific. How would you even expect me to know that? If you said like a chocolate croissant, I would say I've had those. This is a cronut where they have lines waiting for the people to eat them. Oh, is this some famous thing or something? It's relatively new, isn't it? People line up to buy a special type of donut?

God, we're so stupid. People are so dumb. You should have seen the line of black and whites lined up. Black and white people? Is that what you're saying? Oh, Jesus Christ. I don't know what you're saying. You mean cops. So the cops are lining up to get these

special donuts. That's what you're saying? Did you just tell a cop donut joke on my show? How dare you, doctor? That's like me showing up in your office with voodoo I compensate by Look at this line Yeah Oh my god where is this?

That's New York Is this New York? That's New York They're all in line to get a donut I fucking hate No a cronut Everyone in that line I hate all of you

They're what two bucks three bucks each You are all the problem You fuck heads You are all crazy and ridiculous That's a mile long line for a fucking donut How dare you It doesn't fuck with Krispy Kreme I don't care what anybody says

It can't Krispy Kreme donuts when they're right out of the oven There's not a thing that can taste better than that It doesn't get better than that Where's the Krispy Kreme place? All over Santa Monica is the closest to here Burbank

So there's Burbank yeah Most of them closed down, I heard. A lot of them did. That's just because of communism. Ah, that's what did it. That's what it is. Socialism. Trying to keep the man down.

They need to expand. They should have Krispy Kremes everywhere. If you want to do something decadent that's horrible for your body, why are you fucking around? You need just a couple of Krispy Kremes. You'll feel like shit after they're down, but when they're going down, it will be goddamn glorious. I'm going to find some cronuts and bring them to you. When you eat one of those maple ones, do you know those warm maple ones?

You hear Bon Jovi singing. When you bite into it, shot down in a blaze of glory, you feel it. You feel it in your bones. Your toes tingle. You know you're giving yourself cancer, and you don't care. You don't care.

It's a million milligrams of sugar. One million. That's what I heard. One million. Yeah, I saw a documentary. A million. It's exactly the amount of sugar that you can eat and not die. That's what's in a box of Krispy Kreme.

A cronut burger. Oh, that's ridiculous. Oh, my God. Have you tried it? No, I've had bacon on mine. Bacon. I don't eat bacon. Look at that.

So it's a croissant donut mix with a cheeseburger, and they smash it all together and put powdered sugar on the top of it. Wow. Wow, we hate ourselves. Wow. Fucking humans hate ourselves. We're crazy. That looks almost edible.

Do you allow yourself cheat days? I know you're really healthy for the most part. No, I ourselves. We're crazy. That looks almost edible. Do you allow yourself cheat days? I know you're really healthy for the most part. No, I don't have cheat days. Do you have cheat meals? I don't have cheat meals. Do you have cheat desserts? Nope. Do you eat dessert?

Yep. So you just eat it? I just eat it. It's not a cheat. It's part of the entire nutrition. Dessert is a part of nutrition? Absolutely. Tell me more. Apples with peanut butter. Oh, is that what you eat? Oh nutrition? Absolutely Tell me more Apples With peanut butter

Oh is that what you eat? Oh you fucking weirdo Apples with peanut butter Listen that is not dessert How dare you How dare you The balls on this guy That is not man

How about yogurt With Acai Dark chocolate Coated acai Acai Acai Acai

Acai Portuguese Acai And also with peanuts And walnuts and pine nuts. I got a better idea. How about a hot fudge sundae, you fuck? I love that. How about a brownie?

How about a brownie with hot fudge on it, just rich and buttery? When I get a coupon for 31 flavors, I'm there. Yeah, so you'll eat those too. I'll eat it. But for the most part, you try to reward yourself with delicious things that are actually nutritious. Better things. I might have a carbonated drink once a month. reward yourself with delicious things that are actually nutritious. Better things.

I might have a carbonated drink once a month. My friend Mike Dolce, he's a nutritionist to a lot of MMA fighters, helps them with their diet and losing weight. He doesn't believe in cheat days, but he believes in reward meals. Like you will reward yourself. It's a cheat meal. It's a semantics. Hey, easy.

It's a reward for your hard work. It's semantics. Come on. Why do you got to be negative? Because cheat is a negative and reward is a positive. Exactly. He's a glass half full kind of a guy. I got it. That's semantics. Come on. Why you got to be negative? Because cheat is a negative and reward is a positive. Exactly. He's a glass half full

kind of a guy. I got it. That's what I said. So you can't define it for him. You're trying to break him down. There he is, Mike. Where is he? Oh, that's The Rock.

Oh, The Rock's cheat days are epic. Look at the size of that guy. What is he eating? Look at the size of that guy. Who gives a fuck what he's eating? He is goddamn huge.

He used to be a normal sized like big athlete. But now he's fucking, that guy who gives a fuck what he's eating he is goddamn huge he used to be a normal sized like big athlete but now he's fucking that guy's obsessed with working out too if you go to his if you're a guy that likes to work out subscribe to the rocks twitter and his his twitter and his instagram are epic because this guy will fly into a city at like four o'clock in the morning and be at the gym at six taking pictures tweeting going crazy. He just believes in like constant hard work, doing things that are difficult, making yourself work out when you don't want to. And he's very strict with his diet except one day. And that one day he has these fucking epic cheat days where he takes photos of stacks

of donuts and literally like jugs of milk, like five gallon jugs of milk and this fucking giant savage. See, to me, that's like injecting yourself with a thousand milligrams of testosterone in one day, as opposed to taking 20 milligrams every day. Well, I have, I think he's mentally, uh, he's probably a crazy person. Look at the size of him. That's what he used to look like. That's what he looks like now.

Wow. Yeah. He's giant. I think he is a crazy person as I think he's, uh, in the good way. I think he is a crazy person, because I think he's in the good way. I think he's a crazy person for success. You know, he's a crazy person for achievement. So he's just getting crazy for pumping his body up

into this ultimate super athlete machine. Gee, I feel small. You should feel small. I am. Next to him, we're both producing estrogen. Speak for yourself. We're both producing estrogen if we're standing next to The Rock. I've met the guy. Trust me.

He's too big. Look at the size of that guy. I mean, that's a big fella. Jesus. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So if you're looking for inspiration, follow him on Instagram.

For the average guy, what should the average person do if they want to find out that something, what's going on with their hormones, where their hormone levels are? What's the steps that they should take to find out? Well, we have an automated system to make it easier. If they go, if they have a traumatic brain injury or have had a traumatic

brain injury, and I'll just interject this, if they're with the military or with the police department or with NFL retiree, we have, I have three grants to pay for their $2,100, $2,200 laboratory testing. It'll be paid for by a grant. So they go to the website and they fill out an application. And within 12 to 24 hours, someone in our office calls to just confirm a couple of things and send them out about 20 pages worth of intake. And in your experience, a lot of the people that are experiencing real bad results from traumatic brain injury, oftentimes it's hormonally related. Correct. Well, you know, I take care of what's called mild to moderate. These are people who might not have lost consciousness in the mild. Some of them might have a little amnesia that lasts for less than 12, 24 hours.

Is it shocking for you how easy it is to damage the brain? Unbelievable. One case that just finished, a gentleman was rear-ended at five to seven miles an hour and ended up getting traumatic brain injury. God, that's so crazy. The brain sits, you know, in an envelope with fluid supporting it, but there's the front part of the inside of the brain and the backside at the front part called the sphenoid plateau. It's a sharp area that all you have to do is stop short. You just have to shake your head, shaking baby, working on a pneumatic drill or a pneumatic hammer or skiing moguls where you're up and down or doing water skiing where you're hitting the waves and you're bouncing up and down.

Wow. That's how simple it is. And we've taken it for granted that the brain is impervious to damage. So water skiing can give you brain damage. Correct. It's repetitive. It's a form of repetitive. Think of it this way.

You're standing there in the ring and someone's just tapping you, you know, a little bit. Not me, bro. I know. Think of it this way. You're standing there in the ring, and someone's just tapping you a little bit. Not me, bro. I move left and right. I'm slick. I'm like Pernell Whitaker. You're rope-a-dope. So anyway, if you were getting hit lightly, the damage accumulates over time. That totally makes sense.

There's been quite a few actually guys who realized after a while that they couldn't take punishment anymore. That their brain just was simply not allowing them to take those shots. They'd get hit and their body would just give out. When you see that is that just like hurting a knee or hurting your

back you're more likely to hurt it again? If you hurt your knee and you tear your meniscus there's a high probability of you inj to hurt it again. Like if you hurt your knee and you tear your meniscus, there's a high probability of you injuring that knee again. That knee has now been weakened. Correct. Is that how the brain is as well? Well, the brain is just awesome.

There are connections from the different lobes of the brain, from the left to right, the front to the back, and there are connections that can be torn, called shearing. And if you tear enough of them, what happens is you lose cognitive ability, mental ability, your personality changes. And over a period of time, you might have this slow progression towards depression or slow progression towards memory loss or fatigue. So it happens over a long period of time. There's a 30-year prospective study, which means they had people who had head trauma and they followed them for 30 years. That's creepy. You're not following me, man.

For 25 fucking years. I am your shadow. You're still following me, man? So they found something like 48% of the people had a psychological problem. 28% of them had depression and 8% paranoia. Drug abuse is a very large thing that happens. And I'm starting to look at kids who are addicted to drugs, whether or not it's methamphetamine, heroin, Oxycontin, narcotics, or whatever, that they have a history of having had a head trauma, and they've just been looking for medication, drugs, to help them feel better.

They're looking for their own cure. You know, if you look back in the ADD, beginning of attention deficit disorder, you had kids looking for they felt hyper, so they would take downers. Well, what happens is called paradoxical. If they take a downer, they get sped up. If they take an upper, they get sped down. That's what Ritalin is. Right. That's what methamphetamine or the Adderall is.

Yeah, Adderall they prescribe for people who are too hyper. Correct. It doesn't make sense, but it's called paradoxical. It does the opposite effect of what it should. Wow. And it's only in certain people, like people with attention deficit disorder or AHDH, hyperactivity. And, you know, we're looking, they're looking for drugs, alcohol. A guy that came from Boston, I'll tell you a Boston story,

JR came from Boston, rugby player, five head traumas, three loss of consciousness, and one hospitalization. Pussy. Yeah, really. And between the ages of 23 and 35, he became an alcoholic. At 35, he crashed and burned. And he was institutionalized, and he was put on three antidepressants. And he flew out from Boston. We did our testing. And even though he was on three antidepressants, he was still depressed. Jesus Christ. Still depressed. And this is one of the hallmarks of traumatic brain injury. It's called treatment-resistant depression. We're finding that people who are put onto one

medication and it doesn't work or two doesn't work or get shifted around because they stop working, you need to look at the hormones. You need to look at hormones. And we put him on 60 milligrams of testosterone because his level of testosterone was extremely low. 60 milligrams of testosterone a week. Six months later, his psychiatrist, he had to get a new psychiatrist, took him off his drugs. He's back in Boston. He's in investment banking. Now, when a guy has an issue, if there's something or a gal or anybody, call a girl a gal, you're kind of creepy. What do you want to call it? Hey, gal.

That's a woman you definitely don't want to fuck. Female. She's a great old gal. Better phone her a guy. If someone has had enough of an impact on their brain that they have to seek exogenous, is that the word? Yep. Exogenous hormones to fix whatever problem they have. What would you do if that person was still engaging in the very activities that caused

them to have this issue with their body? Absolutely. You pull them. So in MMA, when you see these people getting testosterone, which is, you know, what do you think about that? Well, hopefully the doctor has done the relationship of his activity, MMA, and he's done the workup, which includes, you know, axonal scarring, brain scarring, old bleed that he had. Well, if they had a bleed, they would have been in the hospital, hopefully, not everybody. That's what you would use to decide whether or not the person is at risk. I've got a case right now from the entertainment world where it's a stuntman who he's been through a lot of traumas.

And his last trauma, beginning of last year, left him depressed. He was in a coma, left him depressed and so forth. And within five weeks, he's better. And the question became, he's good enough to go back to work, but you don't want him to go back to work. Right. Because if he gets banged around again... You lose everything you've gained. Oh, boy. So this is why people don't want to talk about it. You've got some great football players who've been dinged.

You don't want to go do that test that says, I'm sorry, but you can no longer play football. You're 25 years of age and you've got scars in the brain, which mean you're at high risk for developing the CTE. Do you remember when that football player died because he fell out of the back of his truck? His girlfriend was driving away in his truck. They did a brain scan on him after he died,

and they did his autopsy, and they found out he had the brain of an Alzheimer's patient. That's right, CTE. And here's another thing. And he was young, right? He was young. In, I didn't bring my presentation.

I do, I have a list. What the fuck? Sorry. Come on, man. I didn't know you had PPT available. I want you to be professional. I have lava lamps here and rock salt lights. Nice color. And everything. And I was in Vegas giving a lecture on traumatic brain injury, and there was a doc talking specifically about head trauma and Alzheimer's. And his documentation was irrefutably supportive of the relationship, and they know it. So they don't

want to tell someone, look, keep playing football. Likelihood is you'll retire and you'll develop Alzheimer's and die at 54. How old was Andre Waters? I don't know. Young guys, though. He was young. All the guys that have died. Who was the last one? Suicides. San Diego, who died at 24 years of age.

This. I don't know. It's depressing. So in your opinion, as an expert on the subject, when a guy gets to a point where he needs testosterone because of this, they really shouldn't be engaging in whatever caused them to lose their ability to produce testosterone. That would be a late-case scenario. So someone getting a testosterone use exemption for mixed martial arts, in your opinion, would be a bad idea. Correct, especially if it was due to positive findings of damage by DT MRI or functional MRI or MRI.

So that's the thing about when someone has a testosterone use exemption, they don't have to specify the cause of testosterone being low. They just find that it is and then supplement it. How could they find what it is and then supplement it. How could they find what it is? I mean, what are the various reasons why people, besides aging, why people don't have good testosterone? Female? No, females have high levels. You know, having had testicular trauma, cooking your testicles. I cook them. Talk about greater than 105 degrees. Sauté with a little oil, a little basil.

Yeah, put the onions in it. So head trauma, it's the regulatory mechanism in the brain, and then you have peripheral, which is the testicle itself. Any kind of damage, infections, mumps. You're talking about mumps. Mumps can cause the testicles to stop working. Okay. So just a viral infection, you can get loss of testicular function. But in someone who is MMA, I would have to really think long and hard about, hmm, he has testosterone deficiency. He's been in MMA for six years and he's had,

you know, five documented loss of consciousness uh he's beaten over the head who knows how many times in training correct yeah i have a guy that was in training and got ko'd yeah that happens all the time and then guys wind up fighting just a couple of weeks later and they can't take a punch right you know we've seen it many times um is uh marvin eastman travis luter is a famous uh fight where uh travis luter. It's a famous fight where Travis Luter knocked out Marvin Eastman with a punch that looked like it barely connected. And it turned out that we had heard

that Marvin Eastman had been in training camp and had gotten hurt in training camp, got knocked out maybe twice, at least once. He's a great fighter, too, a really tough guy. So it didn't make any sense that he couldn't take a punch like that. It was one of those weird cases. What we're starting to see on the internet,

which might be a backdoor type of self-analysis, are these cognitive testing programs. There's one called Impact, which is out of Pennsylvania with the doctor who is the neurosurgeon for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Watch this. Travis Luter hits him with his punch. It's crazy. And he goes down like he got shot by a sniper. It's really crazy. Watch this. I mean, he kind of connected, but... He's totally out?

Totally out. Like, watch the punch again. I mean, a pretty good shot, but man. It seemed like he was on the very end of it. It just didn't seem like it should have that kind of impact. I mean, Travis does hit shot, but man, it seemed like he was on the very end of it. It just didn't seem like it should have that kind of impact. I mean, Travis does hit really hard, very strong guy. But then when you found out that he, I mean, he definitely got hurt by that punch, but going out like that seems unusual.

And I think it was because they said, see, it like grazes him. They said Marvin had gotten KO'd in training. That happened also to Forrest Griffin. Before he fought Anderson Silva, he had apparently gotten KO'd in training. That happened also to Forrest Griffin. Before he fought Anderson Silva, he had apparently gotten KO'd in training. I think he said twice, too. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. And they're additive.

Mm-hmm. So, you know. Quote cumulative, right? They're cumulative, additive, cumulative, and it just gets easier. I hate to have to correct you in front of all these people. That's all right. Sometimes you just fuck up, dude. Hey.

You think you're so smart. Only you're the one who thinks I'm so smart. Why do you think I spend five days a week reading? Because I know so little. Yeah, well, that's very, very humble of you. You're also a martial artist. So this is something that's not like alien to you. You've practiced martial arts for a long time.

Yeah, I did taekwondo, secretary black belt on the cover of a martial arts magazine. Cover of a magazine, son. Yeah. Throwing sidekicks on bitches. With my master, Byung-Yoo's foot in my mouth. Did it taste good? No, it didn't. Yeah, I would imagine.

I was waiting for you to answer. You answered correct. If people want to know more about this, if they're fascinated by it, if they think perhaps they might have an issue themselves, what is the website? The website is tbimedlegal.com. That's very hard to remember. Yeah. tbimedlegal.com. And it has about 100 articles that are abstracted, very short.

Oh, you put a link up for people that are listening to this podcast. Right. You crafty bastard. You're so professional. You make me sad. I do? Yeah, because I'm not that professional. Go ahead and click it.

What happens when you click it? It explodes. Oh, thank you, Joe Rogan. Did you sign up for this under my name or something? No, no, I just clicked it. Oh, it just says that. There's a little link for people to read that. Yeah, it's information which goes through it.

Oh, I see, I see, I see. So if people are curious about their own issue. Already 30 people have already clicked it. Wait now. It's going to get crazy. This is just Ustream has probably, I don't know what percentage of the actual. Very small. Very small percentage.

Most people tend to listen to this while they're doing other things, like they listen to it on the subway or in the gym, on the bike or whatever. The amount of people that actually watch us. But the people that actually watch us are the most critical, crazed nerds. Not in a good way. In a good way. Give me a hug, you fucks. Before I leave.

So TBI Medical. Med legal. Med legal. TBI Med Legal, and they could find out all about it. And is there anything else you want to promote or let people know about while you're here? The only thing I really want to promote is the knowledge that there's this incredible association between head trauma, hormone deficiency, and change in personality. And when you correct the underlying deficiency, you see people blossom. And when you correct the underlying deficiency, you see people blossom.

To end, I'll say that we have a 32-year post-traumatic brain injury gal, 32 years. She cracked or carotid in an auto accident and partial stroke on the right side. 32 years she's lived with incapacitation or suboptimal life on a multitude of drugs. Twelve weeks after starting her program, she's off of everything. Whoa. And she started losing weight. She's 53 years of age. She started losing weight.

She's swimming again. I was a swimmer in medical school in undergrad. And so she started back swimming, and she's back in undergrad. And so she started back swimming and she's back in school. Her life is just energized. She feels phenomenal. And they write their story to me and it'll be eventually posted on the website. We have, you know, about 571, 271 patients with testosterone, then total about 500 plus people. I've been doing this 10 years, just specifically traumatic brain, but overall 18 years with hormonal replacement, not knowing for those first years that there were so many people with traumatic, eight years, first eight

years that there were so many people with traumatic deficiency. The brain is very delicate, people. Choose wisely, be safe, be careful, and get your dome checked out, right, doc? Absolutely. Get your dome checked out, folks. Thank you, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. And the website, one more time, is tbimedlegal.com. Go, learn, enjoy. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Always good. Always cool to see you. I knew you would be good at this. Rogan.ting.com. Go there. Get yourself some ting, you freaks.

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