The Joe Rogan Experience - #450 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: February 7, 2014

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunting athlete, "training intensively each and every day to become the Ultimate Predator."

All day, Joe Rogan podcast, my night, all day. It wouldn't be the same if everything came out smooth. Well, Cameron, first of all, thanks for doing this podcast. For people who don't know Cameron, Cameron Haynes is a famous bowhunter, which is a rare thing. It's very rare that someone becomes famous as a bowhunter. rare thing. It's very rare that someone becomes famous as a bowhunter. And in the most manly form of bowhunting ever, you're famous for shooting the biggest, most majestic North American animals with sticks. That's right. I mean, that's what you're famous for. You're famous for taking out giant bugling elk with a flying stick. That's pretty badass, dude. I wouldn't say famous.

You're famous to me. You're famous. I told a friend of mine who's a hunting fan. He's a personal trainer. And I said I'm doing this podcast with Cameron Haynes. He goes, oh, that's that Keep Hammering guy. That's it. Keep Hammering. So, dude. Okay, one other guy.

You and one other guy. You are famous amongst hunters. Jared knows me. Yeah. So there's three. I brought you up to my friend Ryan Callahan who works at First Light. And he said, oh, yeah, I know who that guy is. Yeah.

So people know who you are, man. Okay. You have become at least, can I say you have notoriety? Yeah, I'd say that. Okay. So notoriety from killing elk with flying sticks. That's it. Yeah. How does one go about becoming famous or at least develop internet notoriety from killing elk with flying sticks? You know, I think for me, it's just, I don't know. I just came up just like everybody else. So it's like, so what I've done kind of gives other people that didn't have any breaks or just regular guys hope to chase their dreams. I really think that's it. I think that's why people like me. Well, I'll tell you how I found out about you.

I watched a lot of videos on YouTube or online, whether it's, whether videos about anything that I find interesting. And I saw this video, this guy carrying rocks in his backpack, going up hills, training for elk hunting. And I was like, what, what is that? And I thought about it. I was like, that actually is a pretty smart move. Like, I've never heard of anybody training for hunting. I went hunting when I shot that mule deer with Steve Rinella. That was the first time I ever went hunting. And I was amazed at how tired I was. I was like, this is ridiculous.

Like, I thought I was in really good shape. But when you're climbing up those muddy hills and the Missouri breaks and everything's like sloshing and it's, you know, these steep hills. And, you know, you're doing it for six hours in a row. Like, man, you get exhausted. Your legs get rubber. Your lungs are burning. I was like, I can't believe this. I was thinking, I need to work out for hunting.

But I never heard of anybody doing that before until I saw you. Right. hunting. But I never heard of anybody doing that before until I saw you. Right. Well, like elk hunting, you can get up at sometimes five in the morning to get to where maybe you put some elk to bed the night before and walk. So an hour before daylight, then you're hunting all day and then you get back to camp after dark, maybe at eight or nine o'clock. That's a long day. And that's a long day. People aren't used to doing that. I mean, how often do you work out for 15 hours a day? Not only that, like, if you shoot an elk, then you have to take that elk back, and you have to figure out how to carry it through the mountains.

Like, that's where it gets really crazy, because, like, what's the biggest elk you've ever shot? It's probably a Roosevelt bull I killed in Oregon in 2010, um it's probably a roosevelt bull i killed in oregon in 2010 and we're figuring it weighed about 1200 pounds is 12 or 13 years old that's a big animal oh it's huge how long did it take you to carry 1200 i mean on that's on the bone so once you quarter it and skin it and take the head off of it and the antlers how much is is it, how much are you carrying out? About 500 pounds. You know, we had it quartered up and then with the hide because I wanted to get it mounted and the head and all that. So we had to carry about 500 pounds.

But I had a few guys with me, so, you know, made it a little easier. Yeah, I guess. You have to bring, like, a pack crew. Yeah. Yeah, no, they're big animals, and that's just part of it. But that's, you know, when you can go into the mountains where an elk lives every day and, and like you said, with sharp stick, take it out, harvest it. And then, so you're, you're on its home court and then

bring it back to your truck and back to your freezer. That's, that's a powerful experience. You know, that's the whole, the whole thing is hard. Everything about it is hard, but to be able to do that, I mean, it's given me confidence to know that in whatever everyday life I can achieve things, you know, because that's about as tough as it gets for me. Yeah. I've always said that adversity is a very important thing for human beings, because if you don't go through adversity, you never know that you can, there's always going to be questions. And every time you do go through adversity, it sort of adds on to your ability and your confidence in all walks of life. It's like this tattoo that I have is a Miyamoto Musashi, the guy who wrote the book of five rings. And when I

was a kid and I was, uh, um, competing in martial arts tournaments, I read the book of five rings. And I remember this one quote, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things. And once you've gone through the kind of adversity that you must go through to, you know, hike nine miles into a mountain, shoot an elk, and then bring that giant beast back and then cook it like that is a, is you you will develop confidence and you'll develop a sense of accomplishment that's very difficult to recreate yeah and that's to do that i know how difficult that is and so in training i try to simulate that as much as possible you know i mean that's where the the carrying the 130 pound rock up the hill or you know for training

i've run 100 mile ultra marathons you know know, that type of thing. Basically, I just want to, I want to simulate that misery because I want to know what being miserable feels like. If you don't ever know, you never know how you're going to react. Some people might fold up, quit, but, uh, so I've tried to get there and as often as possible. How did you, why did you decide a rock? Why not like weights? Well, you can measure weights. Did you try why did you decide a rock? Why not like weights? Well, you can measure weights. Did you try to just go with the rock because it's even more primal?

I don't know. I just, I had been seeing this rock, you know, I run this mountain all the time. So I've been seeing this rock and I was like, man, I need to get that rock to the top of the hill. And so I did this seminar at Cabela's and I said, hey, anybody who wants to come up, I'm going to go run the mountain because everybody knows I run this mountain. So they came in for the Cabela's seminar. Then I told's and I said, Hey, anybody who wants to come up, I'm going to go run the

mountain. Cause everybody knows I run this mountain. So they came in for the Cabela's seminar. Then I told him, I said, if you run the mountain, I'll give you a free DVD. Just come hang. I just like to work out with people. Just, you know, I like to see people, people sacrificing. So I said, I'm going to carry this rock up and we can all go do it. And I figured, I mean, the rock, I figured it was about 70 pounds. I had no idea, but so I get up there, I have this empty pack and I figured it I mean the rock I figured is about 70 pounds I had no idea but so I get up there I had this empty pack and I have everybody there I'm like all right just hang out hang on for a second I'm just gonna throw this rock on my pack and I lift at first time I'd ever touched it and I was like wow this is more than 70 pounds and so I ended up getting it up to the top and

then we tried to take pictures trying to I couldn't even lift that thing over my head because a rock is just weird to lift. And so I ended up taking it down off the mountain. I'm like, obviously it's more than 70. I want to figure out how much it is. So it was 130 pounds. But it was just kind of on a whim, I guess, is how that came about. Now it's just my rock. Now it's your workout rock.

It is. Now, are you allowed to just pull rocks out of the forest is there any regulations about that i may have poached that rock no it's still there it's i just carried up and down i never take it i i took it to the gym to weigh it but it's back it's up on the mountain right now okay so what would you do if you came there and you saw somebody else throw that rock in their backpack you're like hey man no nobody's gonna do it somebody did i think they you know had seen the rock talked about so and i said hey you know people people kind of you know people question everything for whatever reason sure and so they say oh that's not 130 pounds i'm like okay well here it is go pack it

to wherever you want to weigh it so somebody did move it like 20 yards and i did notice that but other than that it just kind of sits wherever I did notice that, but other than that, it just kind of sits wherever I leave it. Well, if it's heavy enough, that's good that nobody will steal it. Or most people won't steal it, I should say. I don't think they're going to steal it. Now, when you take that rock up to the top of the mountain, how often do you do this? I do it about once a week. Once a week? Yeah. That's kind of, I mix it up and that's my once a week type, something different. Other than that, I usually just run the mountain. So once a week, once every seven days, you carry that.

How far are you carrying it? It's a mile and a half. Jesus. Oh. Yeah. That hurts my lower back just thinking about it. Yeah, me too. Oh.

Is there any danger of doing that? That's like some serious weight that you're carrying on your back like that. It's an awkward way to carry weight. Yeah. And to do it like once a week. Yeah, I try to think I'm bulletproof, but I've found out that I'm not. And so, yeah, and that's a, yeah, that's a trail right there. So up the hill with the rock. That's some serious work like the amount of actual physical kinetic

work that you have to do to go up a hill with 130 pound rock on your back like that like man that's got to get you in some insane shape oh it helps you know i mean it's just every everything helps mixing it up i do a lot of different things but that's just one of them now was this something that you had always done, and then when you got into hunting, you just sort of ramped it up? Or did you really get into fitness once you became a hunter? That's another shirt I have, you know, ramp it up. Oh, really? Is it really?

Yeah, it is. Oh, no kidding. But no, let's see. So I started bow hunting. I was just a teenager. And I ended up killing a spike bull elk my very first year I think it was 18 or 19 and uh that was you know to kill a bull with the bow where I came from a real small town I mean 20 some kids in my graduating class and so

um a lot of people hunted but to kill a bull with a bow is like special. And so I got attention for that. I was like, this is some positive reinforcement. And I'm like, you know, this is after high school, after the high school sports and all that, and trying to find my way, trying to figure out what the heck I was going to do. And so I liked hunting. I liked the challenge of it. I got some positive reinforcement from it. So I'm like, Hey, this is pretty cool. Cause I didn't hardly know anybody who'd killed a bull with a bow back then. And so, um, I was successful, but from there, I just wanted more, wanted more of a challenge. And then, you know, I started going into the wilderness into the Oregon's biggest wilderness, Eagle cap wilderness, it's 375,000 acres. And, uh, so you can get back in there away from people. And I thought, well, now I want to go to the middle of this wilderness because that would be even more badass.

And if I could kill a bull back there, man, that would be the ultimate. And so it was just kind of from there I realized how the physical part of bow hunting where it was more important. And so I just it was kind of a progression. I've always ran 10Ks and different things like that, but I figured, man, you can't be in too good a shape to challenge that country. And so I haven't reached my limit, and I'm trying to try to become what I always say is the ultimate predator.

reached my limit and I'm trying to, to try to become what I always say is the ultimate predator. So it becomes, uh, a part of like your, your whole psyche. It becomes a part of like what you're doing with your life becomes the, the challenge of it becomes almost as important as what you're doing itself. Like you're not just going out and getting an elk for meat, you know, which I'm sure you enjoy elk meat, but it's also, it's, it's, it's almost sort of like a spiritual quest. Oh yeah. I mean the, you know, the most powerful moments I've had have been in the mountains, in the wilderness after, um, killing a bull because everything that goes into it, you know, it's not just the fact that I killed an animal. It's, uh, it's how much I respect the animal, how tough the country is back, all the training. It's just a accumulation of all that

work and all that investment of emotion and everything else. And so that's, yeah, it is, it's spiritual. I mean, um, by yourself back there is, uh, as raw as it gets, it's tough. And eating the animal that you you've killed, uh, for raw as it gets. It's tough. And eating the animal that you, you've killed, uh, for, I just started hunting. I've been only been hunting a little over a year, year and a half. And for me, uh, the most delicious meals, the most satisfying meals I've ever had is venison that I, that I've killed myself. There's something, something intimate about it, I guess something you're much more attached to what you're eating. And I've never killed anything with a bow, much less a 1,200-pound bull elk with a bow in the middle of the woods.

I mean, that's got to ramp it up another notch. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Because you're shooting something with a rifle. I shot that mule deer from 200 yards away. That's pretty far. Yeah. You know, you're shooting these animals 30, 40 yards away from you and you're, and they're huge. Yeah. No,

they're, I mean, they don't commit suicide. They are, you know, they're used to lions. They're used to being hunted. So to get into bow range, you know, in their red zone, so to speak, you know, that 30 to 40 yards, um, that's difficult. They're dialed in. They zone so to speak you know that 30 to 40 yards um that's difficult they're dialed in they're used to being hunted every single day i mean they're they're never turned off and so uh yeah it's tough and then you have just basically a sharp stick you know one arrow you've got the arrows laying over there and it's just it's amazing how lethal with the razor sharp broadhead an arrow can be and uh, uh, I've seen, you know, there's videos of, of bull, huge bulls I've killed dropping in seconds, just from that, you know,

quicker, even than maybe a rifle would kill them. And that's, uh, you know, that's pretty amazing. But that is pretty amazing. Well, one of the things about you is, uh, because of all your training, because of all this lifting and exercise that you do you shoot a really heavy bow you shoot a 90 pound compound bow which uh for folks who don't know like a lot of people they'll they'll tell you like you don't need to shoot anything more than 60 but 90 i've never even heard of anybody shooting in 90 i never even pulled one until i pulled yours i mean that's ridiculously i, that's pretty stout. Yeah.

So you're sort of like adding to like this whole reason why you're exercising and all this fitness and getting, you know, really strong and in really great shape. You kind of have to be in great shape just to use the very weapon that you use to take these animals out. Yeah. Well, and it's true. You don't necessarily have to shoot 90 pounds. I mean, people do kill. There's women out there bow hunting who are very successful with a 50-pound bow. It's true. You can do it.

But, you know, I want to shoot 90. What I want on an animal is I want two holes. I want that arrow blowing through so I have two holes spilling blood, and that's how I'm going to recover the animal. You know, an arrow kills from hemorrhage. So not from shock like a rifle would. So to get that hemorrhage, whereas a 50-pound bow might go in halfway and it might get into the lungs and it might kill it, you know, you might get 12 inches of penetration. If I go clear through that bowl and it's, you know, maybe 24 inches across, well, there's a 24 inch wound as opposed to a 12 inch wound and again, we're killing by hemorrhage.

And so it's just going to be that much more lethal in my mind. And then if I'm blowing through ribs or through a shoulder or it's quartering way hard, so I have to go through maybe 30 inches of, of mass, well, I'm going to be able to do that yeah it's not you know it's not necessary so to speak but it's what i'm comfortable with and i think it makes me that more lethal of a bow hunter how many other dudes are shooting 90 pounds i'm not sure is there anybody i don't know yeah i'm sure probably one or two yeah i'm sure there's there's some well i just pulled it back and i was thinking when i was pulling it back was like, imagine pulling this thing back if you just climbed up the top of a mountain and you're absolutely exhausted, and then you have this one opportunity.

Have you ever had that happen where you're really exhausted to work to get to where the elk is, and then you're so tired you have a hard time pulling the ball? No. No. No. That's because you train hard. Right, yeah. No, that's never been an issue. No. That's because you train hard. Right. Yeah. No, that's never been an issue.

No. But it's because you prepare. Yeah. For the average person, I mean, 90 pounds, it's really difficult to lift. I mean, essentially, you're using two hands sort of, but a bulk of the work has got to be in your right arm, right? Yeah. I mean, it's difficult. You know, where I think it would be more difficult is if you're sitting in a tree stand for hours freezing and then a buck walks by and you have

a 90 pound bow that would be hard yeah that would be because you're not warmed up you're not you know active so that could be difficult but i i did use i had that bow um for a late season hunt back home and it was cold it was like seven degrees and i'd been up there for hours and i'm just like okay this is gonna be a test now if i can if i can pull this back and i was able to and so well it's just because you train so hard yeah no i mean yeah if you if you if i didn't do what i do every day there's no way that's great i mean how many other guys are doing that how many other guys are like in shape and treating this almost like a sport uh there's more you know there's there's more doing it now um especially guys out west but you know i get i get emails from

georgia from people it just you know and what i found is it like you talked about earlier it kind of gives your life purpose you know everybody has a job people have families everything else and and they just kind of they need to find something that can define them or motivate them and now all of a sudden training for hunting is something you know before that was you know nobody ever did it so now maybe that is what's making a difference in their life and so um, um, you know, and I still get people who they don't like it. They, they don't like feeling like they have to train to hunt. And so I get, uh, criticized a lot for my approach also. And what do they say? Oh, what are you doing? Getting in shape. What are you doing? Getting strong and healthy. Asshole. What kind of criticisms did they come up with?

I would love to hear those. Yeah. It's pretty, I don't know if it's funny. It's been irritating, but I just kind of blow it off. Has it actually irritated you? Yeah, a little bit. You got to get tougher. You got to work on that aspect of your training.

Okay. I do, definitely. But they'll say stuff like, oh, Cameron says you have to be able to run a marathon to kill an elk. Which is, I've never said that. I do that, but you don't have to. Or, you know, I saw something the other day that says, oh, you know, my approach is what's wrong with hunting today. It's like, whoa. Being healthy and strong.

Yes, I don't know. Not eating yes i don't know not eating sugar not drinking alcohol eating healthy foods and working out yeah you're what's wrong with the world man basically yeah all these healthy fuckers out there ruining it for everybody else i know all these fat guys like to sit in tree stands blow farts they're they're upset guys like you are out there doing something exciting i guess i i don don't know. So anyway, I do get criticized just because hunting for some people is kind of just a getaway. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's a vacation. Sure.

It's not something you want to gear your life around. And that's okay. I get that. You don't have to train every day if all you're looking for is just to get away and relax. There's nothing wrong with that in any endeavor, whether it's a game or a sport or even martial arts. I mean, there's nothing wrong with taking a martial arts class once a week just for exercise. Like my friend Joey Diaz, he's big, he's overweight. He takes jiu-jitsu all the time.

He's not trying to get his black belt. He just wants to get his blood pumping, get a little workout in there. There's nothing wrong with that. And then I have another friend who's beaten world champions. My friend Eddie's a black belt and one of the best in the world. So it's like those both approaches are okay. It's okay to be obsessed with something and pursue excellence. And it's okay to just enjoy it as a pastime. The problem is that the people that enjoy it as a pastime, they're is that the people that enjoy it as a pastime, they're always going to get this little nagging thing in the back of their head, for some of them, especially the weak ones,

that they realize that you do it better than them. Or they realize that if they went hunting with you, they couldn't keep up. Or they realize if they ran with you, they can't keep up. Or if they realize they tried to lift with you, they couldn't lift as much. So they're like crabs in a bucket. You know what crabs in a bucket are like? No. If you have a bunch of crabs in a bucket,

one crab tries to get out of the bucket and the other crabs grab them and pull them down. Gotcha. And that's what always happens. I guess. That's the number one problem with the world is crabs in a bucket. Yeah.

The number one problem with this world is people, instead of being inspired, they look to criticize. People, instead of looking at someone who works hard and does something amazing and and looking at their own life they find fault or they find weakness or they they find themselves not to add up not to measure up and so they get upset and instead of finding that inspirational and say you know what I do have a belly I do need to get to the gym you know what I do drink too much too much. I got to stop doing that. Instead of that, they just start shitting on this one thing that causes them to feel insecure. Not even realizing that that one

thing has the potential to empower them. Right. Now, I don't know if, I mean, it could be what's going on, but- 100%. Those fat fucks. It's 100% what what's going on. It's a hundred percent, man. I know it because I've felt those feelings. I've felt insecurity. I've felt jealousy. I felt all that, especially as a young man before I figured out how to train my mind and how to embrace someone who's better than me and embrace someone who inspires me and look for it amongst my peers look for it even amongst my enemies i try to be inspired by people i don't even like you know i try to like if i find someone that i i think is uh like someone who's a bad comedian who's a joke thief who's a but they work hard i try to take that aspect of them that works hard and only concentrate on that and and find inspiration in it because then they become valuable to me. You know, then I can see the negative aspect of their behavior and that becomes valuable to me because I realized it reinforces what's bad, but then the good aspects

of it, whatever it is, you could find just something in someone that you don't even like. You could find like something that they do that, that can inspire you. Right. And you know, I don't want to, I get mostly all positive and, um, people inspire me. They say that I've helped her motivate them and this and that, that inspires me also to, to, it holds me accountable. You know what I mean? Cause now I've created this thing and it's what I love, but it also holds me accountable. Like, hey, I got to keep it up for the people. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes.

And so that's, I mean, 99% of what I get is positive, but it seems like you remember the 1%. You got to train yourself to not do that. Yeah. That's mental training. I hear you. Mental training as well as physical training. Believe me, man, I've gone through it. And what I say is it's like snake bite venom. Like when a snake bites you, if a snake bites you for the first time, I've gone through it. And what I say is that it's like snake bite venom.

Like when a snake bites you, if a snake bites you for the first time, I mean, you're fucked. You're sick. You've got to go to the hospital. You've got to get anti-venom. You're in a lot of trouble. But if you just get a little bit of venom, a little bit of venom every day over time, after a while the snake bites you and you're like, bitch, get out of here. That shit ain't going to work on me.

Built up tolerance. Yeah. You develop the ability to understand what it is. And I feel sorry for people when I just see ridiculous criticism. I laugh. Like someone will come into my office sometimes, like my wife's like, what are you laughing at? I'm like, oh, some guy's making fun of me. This is hilarious. I just, reading what they say about me makes me laugh. If I really thought they were right, it would bother me. But if I, you know, if I have done what I need to do and I've done all the work and I've assessed myself

and I'm objective, then I can find folly in their weakness. But you're an inspirational dude for sure. Cause you inspired me. I saw some of your videos. I said, I like a guy who's going for things. I like a guy who's, it's not easy to run an ultra marathon. It's not easy to take a 130-pound rock, put it in a pack, and walk up to the top of the hill. When I see people doing stuff like that, I get like this, it like ramps up inside me, and I want to go work out. I want to go do something. I want to get shit done.

I think people like you are really important. and I want to get shit done. I think people like you are really important. The type of people that do things like that, they provide energy for countless other people, whether you're aware of it or not. I know that you did to me, so I know that I'm not unique in that. I know that other people who watch your videos

feel the same way. They get excited about it, and you cause motion. You cause effort. Because of what what you've done you get people excited and that inspiration actually causes things to take place yeah well thanks um this is you know it's what i love to do it's um and it's just preparing for crunch time basically getting out there and preparing to to be the ultimate predator, not fail. When we're filming for a TV show, there's a lot of pressure.

These hunts can be expensive. You're traveling a long way, away from your family. There's a lot at stake. There's a guy with you who's being paid. There's a big investment. So I don't want to fail when it comes down to that moment, not only for me but for other people who sacrifice. So that's, that's basically what the work's about. And I think it's cool too, that you feel that people are inspired by these things and it

actually like motivates you to, to ramp it up another notch, to keep it going even further. Oh yeah. No, I don't, I haven't hit my ceiling, you know, I'm trying to get better every day. Just such a badass manly approach to life you know elk hunting with a bow and being an expert at that that's do you have a regular job yeah what's your regular job i'm supposed to be at work right now actually oh really you got off you you got a good boss no they say i think i'm sick oh really no they're gonna find out this is this is a bad move that no no no um let's see i'm a buyer for the local water and

power company back home so i've done that for 18 years so you do that 40 hours a week yeah and so how do you find the time to do all this other stuff just make it happen wow yeah it's just what i do so uh yeah i mean i you know how it goes I'm sure you've been there before, where if, if I don't get my workout in, or if I don't do it, I'm just in a bad mood. You know what I mean? Cause I, and, uh, so we just make time to make it happen. And, uh, it's just what I do. Well, there's a, the other part about working out about the bad mood part is that your body sort of develops this, uh, this habit of, of pumping out energy. Right. You know, like when you get in shape and you get your body like really fit

and you get your body used to exerting these big explosive bursts of energy like lifting or jiu-jitsu or whatever it is, your body sort of like ramps up for that and then is like, hey, where's my release? Right. You know, like, hey, we're ready to go. Hey, we're ready to go. Why are we in a fucking office, man?

Like, what's going on here? We're going to kill something. I'm going to shoot a bow at somebody. What's going on? Why can't I lift weights? Yeah. Hey, hey, this is kind of crazy. And you don't have that release.

And I think our bodies are probably designed for a certain amount of that, being that we were, you know, for who knows how many thousands of years, we were hunter gatherers, and we essentially share the same DNA as those human beings that lived 30, 40,000 years ago. There's not much of a difference between us and them. There's got to be a lot of the old reward, the reward mechanisms of life, like still in our DNA. And I think that people who don't exercise those reward mechanisms,

you're missing out on a lot of what it is to be a person, a lot of what it is to be like excited by life. It's, um, there's something like pretty intense about, uh, just fulfilling those reward mechanisms. And I think hunting is one of those that I didn't realize until I started hunting. I really didn't realize, like, what an intense connection. You're like your mind. I want to say your spirit, but that's a word that's been hijacked by so many shitheads wearing crystals around their neck. But it seems like there's something in you that, like, it opens up this weird weird path that like, oh, you didn't even know this was there. This predator path, this path of connection to the animals, connection to the wild world, going out there and getting an animal and eating it.

And I don't even mean it in like a macho, like, look how cool I am way. I really mean it in a spiritual way. There's this weird spiritual connection you have to the Mother Earth when it provides for you, to the animals of the wild itself when you go out and you get one and then you use it for sustenance. Yeah, no, and that's, you know, people who think it's just about getting meat. Like I heard, I think you were talking with John Hackelman. He didn't really understand hunting at all, but, uh, you know, did they think it's, it's akin to going to the store and buying a steak? It couldn't be further from the truth. I mean, it's exact opposite of that, really. Yeah. You're, you're getting meat and yeah,

you're eating it, but it's the, it's a connection. It's the, it's everything else that's, that it's all about. That's where the power comes from. And, uh, man, without that, I don't know. I mean, that's everything to me. That's, that's my life, you know, just gearing up for that is what I do. So, well, I do a lot of exciting things. I'm, I'm very fortunate person and whether it's standup comedy or whether it's working for the UFC, um, the things that I do, I truly love doing. And they're very exciting things. I mean, when the UFC starts, when the fights are going on, I never feel like I should be anywhere else. Like, I'm always very excited to be there. Hunting's even more exciting than that. Yeah. And it's accessible to everyone. Whereas, like, not everybody gets to be the commentator for the UFC. I'm lucky for me, I'm the only one. Or, you know, there's a couple other guys that and it's accessible to everyone whereas like not everybody gets to be

the commentator for the ufc i'm lucky for me i'm the only one or you know there's a couple other guys that do it when i'm not doing it but they're not as good thank you very much appreciate that i i think a lot of them are really good but that's to me but you know what i'm saying it's like that's a a job that maybe five people on the planet get to do right as far as do commentary for mma Three in UFC. But hunting is, everybody can do it. Yeah. A lot of people can do it.

Yeah. You know? And you, that's the other thing that I really like about your approach. You go on public land. Mm-hmm. You do it in the national forests. You do it in the areas where they're accessible to all these folks. Yeah. You can get a tag just like everybody else.

You get your license just like everybody else. You get your license just like everybody else. And you go out there and you're not like doing one of these canned hunts. This is a, this is, this is really like the American wilderness that you're entering into. Yeah. And that's, you know, I have, so I've had guides, like when I go someplace where guides required Canada or, or different places, but, um, where But where I basically made a name for myself was in the wilderness by myself onto those solo hunts. And, you know, to tell you the truth, I was worried. I think, let's see, I wrote an article.

It was either 99 or 2000. I went with my buddy, South Cox. He's from California here. The dude should change his name. No, he's a stud. At least North Cox is like... South's a stud at least north cox is like south's a stud yeah what the fuck your parents hate him or something why would you call him south cox it's cox oh whatever courtney yeah so so uh we went and we both killed good bulls and

i killed a buck also and i wrote this article about it and the photos were awesome. Um, the, uh, just the whole experience is good. And I thought this is going to screw up my hunting because this is public land. This is Eagle cap wilderness. And, uh, this is probably the last time this hunting is ever going to be good because people are going to see this and they're going to want to do it. And now where I didn't see anybody for years, um, there's going to be tons of people. Well, next year came around, went back in there, there's nobody there. And so, you know, I ended up writing a book about that type of hunting and still nobody was there.

And the bottom line is, yes, it's available to everybody, but it's very tough. And you're near 12 miles from the nearest road and you're living off your back in some of the most unforgiving country there is, that's just never easy. And so people try it. And I've taken, I've taken friends back there who, who I wanted to love it as much as I do. And, you know, we're back there for a day, two days. And they're like, dude, I'm ready to go and uh i'm like what are you talking about you're ready this is this is how this is as good as it gets they're like um this is isn't what i expected it's gonna be like yeah no and so the thing about it is just because you love it not everybody's gonna love it and it's it's something that you can't make them no and so they see the photos they see the video

they see the animals and they're like man that is awesome i want to do that too unless it's in you it's just going to be a struggle and so it is it is available but it's it's still tough it's like taking someone who's a rap fan to your favorite country concert and they're like jesus what's wrong with you and you're like like, come on, man. Yeah, yeah. No, it's got to be, yeah, it's not for everybody. Well, that's the beautiful thing about life. There's a lot of choices.

There's so much variety. There's so many different things that you could be into. You know, one of the real problems with life is people want you to be into what they're into. Right. And if you're not into what they're into, there's something wrong with you or they're not into what you're into. There's something wrong with you. Right. Yeah. But the thing about that is I don't need anybody to be into it.

So I was just like, so my buddy, um, Roy, who I started hunting in the wilderness with, he moved to Alaska and he's just a stud that he was my partner. We, we both like had the same mindset that there's no sacrifice too great. We can't be in enough pain. It doesn't even matter. And he moved. So I'm like, okay, I need to find, I tried to find somebody to take. And eventually I figured out there's nobody like Roy Roth. So I'm just either going to quit hunting there or go on my own. And so I just was like, it's, you know, it's on my own.

And so it is, that's where I started doing the solo wilderness hunts. And, um, um, you know, this, like I said, it's a good thing about, you don't need anybody else. People don't like doing it because you're so far out of your comfort zone. We're so distracted with everything that's going on in the regular world that being in the wilderness where there's nothing is overwhelming for a lot of people it's just i mean it's it's difficult mentally yeah um just being alone in the wilderness is gotta be like a very rare experience like people freak the fuck out when they're alone in the wilderness that's a scary thing for them because they worry about getting trapped.

They worry about getting injured, not being able to get out. No one's going to be able to find them. Like if you don't have a satellite phone and a backup satellite phone and a handgun, there's a lot of fear involved in being in the actual wild itself. Yeah. And they worry about stuff. They make up stuff to worry about. I mean, just to, just to give them a way out. And so that was, and that was, that was true for me too. I mean, it was overwhelming for me. I didn't go back in there in the mountains for a 10 day solo hunt right out of the gate. I went for like one night, like I went on a scouting

trip and then stayed one night, then came out and it's just kind of baby steps into it because, um, it's, you know, if you, if you pulled, you know, I don't know how many people there are here in LA, but how many people have stayed out overnight in the mountains by themselves? It's not gonna be very many people. I mean, it's, I don't know, five. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it's, it's just not something people do in this day and age. And so it's because it's, you know, it's, you're out of your comfort zone, but if you can do that and that's, I became good at that. And actually then I, I, I, I loved it. I remember, let's see, it was, uh, um, let me think what, I don't know what, whatever. I can't

remember the year, but I killed a six by six bull elk by myself. And it was my best bull. And I got out of the wilderness, had this little Toyota four wheel drive. I had this, this bull loaded up and I was just so pumped. Finally got cell service out on the highway and I'm driving home. And, uh, I called my wife and I was like, I was like, Hey, Trace, I killed a six by six bull. And she's like, princess die died. I'm like, what? She's like, princess die died. I go, who cares? I killed a six by six bull. It was just like, I, you're so, you know, to everybody else, princess Diana dying was just like, you know, the world's going to stop. But when you're back in the wilderness and you killed a six by six bull elk, nothing else matters.

And that's, I just remembered, that's the difference between living back there where it's just about, am I going to find a place to sleep tonight? Am I going to be warm? And will I have food? That's it. That's all you care about. Well, we're inundated by information these days. We have like constant information coming at us from all around the world. The 7 billion people in the entire planet provide stories. So anytime anything happens that's interesting or extraordinary or scary or disgusting, you're going to hear about it. And if you just sit in front of your computer like I do some days, like some days, man, I get on Twitter and I just can't stop clicking.

I'm just like, what? That's not real. Oh, my God, it is real. Holy shit. And I retweet it. And then, you know, like you could lose your day. Your day, it doesn't exist. What you're doing is just collecting all this information from around the world.

But it's not your life. Your life is just Cameron Haynes, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. What do I see through my eyes? Who's around me? Where are my loved ones? That's your real life. That's it. But you're sitting and wondering about whether or not what if when you shot the arrow right as that arrow hit that bull

princess di died that would be fucked that'd be crazy maybe somehow some way i killed her maybe yeah it's some look the stranger things have happened if you know if you believe in those things if you believe in uh the synchronicities of the world that would be crazy that would be that would be quite poetic because if because if your wife's like princess died died and you're like yeah i know yeah right through the lungs there's a double lung she was in the form of an elk she was a spiritual elk right she she bugled and i i shot one right through the lungs she was hot but not not as hot as that bull elk at that moment. So I don't know. Maybe if that was like an eight by nine bull elk, it could have been her.

I don't think you're supposed to say she was hot. I think she was royal. She was not really hot. She had some royal hotness. You think so? I think so. Not my type. I don't think she could get down.

I don't think she could just die i don't think she could get down i thought i thought she was partying when she she died in a car wreck right well she was running away from the press right wasn't it like a paparazzi situation with the boyfriend she was partying yeah she had a boyfriend right yeah was it was that was up she was breaking up with princess charles and she was her life was in turmoil. That makes her hot? She's not my type. I'm not into that kind of chick. Okay. She doesn't seem like she could get down.

But that's just me. I mean, all due respect. Rest in peace, Mrs. Dye. Yeah. That's a thing, though, man. People do really get caught up. Like, my wife tried to tell me some stupid celebrity shit the other day. And she was going on about some thing. can you believe it this said that and that

I'm like I don't give a fuck I literally don't give zero I give zero fucks yeah let's stop talking about this there's so much shit to talk about but those salacious gossipy things that gets people so interested it becomes so fascinating they become overwhelming I'm guilty of it too, man. Somebody put some thread on my message board the other day about, it's probably bullshit, but it might be true, that Bill Clinton had an affair with Elizabeth Hurley. Did you see that?

Man, I thought about that shit all day. I thought about it all day. I kept going back to the thread, seeing what new developments. First of all, I got two things out of that. First of all, Tom Sizemore can't keep a fucking secret. Whatever you do, don't tell Sizemore who you're banging, because that motherfucker

spills the beans. Don't trust heroin addicts with the truth. That's one thing. I'll write that down. Yeah, trust me. And the other thing is I think that Bill Clinton is the last of the great American presidential dick-slingers. That's it. Playboys.

It ends with him. You can't do that anymore. We are going to be reduced to a scene. Not that there's anything good about being that guy because, obviously, he was kind of a creeper. You know what I mean? Bill Clinton was one of those weird guys that would just like whip it out on girls like if you talk to i didn't talk to but if you read some of the accounts of some of those women that were like really angry at him from

arkansas he would get alone with them but just whip it out there's him and hurley for sure he hit that right god damn whoa But that's it. We're not going to have any more of those guys. No, no. And you're talking about different things. Here's how it affects me. So people talk about, well, Obama did this, this, or that. I'm like, okay, do I have to go to work tomorrow?

Because if I have to go to work tomorrow, not much has changed in my life. If I don't have to go to work for some reason, then I'll start paying attention. That's how I figure it out. Well, that's a good way to look at your own life. That's a good way to manage your own life. The problem, of course, is that this is supposed to be some sort of a community. Our country is supposed to be some big, giant community. And the people that are running this community that are in charge of dictating the rules and the regulations are clearly screwing it up. Clearly. This is not the optimum way to run any country. I don't know if it's possible to optimally run a country with the

mess that's been created before the people that got into power, in power before before they got into positions of of of having any control there's probably so much bureaucracy and crazy shit behind the scenes as far as like special interest groups and lobbyists and the the massive web is probably so deep you could never hack through it all clean it all up and and come up with some sort of a rational system. So you got two options. One, you could obsess on it and work feverishly until your fucking heart stops beating and then you die an angry person. This system sucks.

Boom. And your heart blows in your chest and you fall down and shit your pants and die in agony. Or you just live your life saying, okay, I'm going to leave that shit to somebody else, let them run it. And I'm going to go wandering through the woods with pointy sticks. I like your approach better. Well, I think whoever is running the country, they do a much better job if they were bow hunters, if they had been in the mountains and actually tried to survive and then maybe even killed an animal and took it back to their family, I think they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief.

I think that's probably true. I think if they were a martial artist, they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Putin. I think Putin is kind of a psycho. But I respect the fact that he's a black belt in judo and he's a real martial artist and he sort of carries himself in that way. if obama and putin were going to throw down putin would fuck obama up that bothers me that that disturbs me you know i i wish my president could kick a little ass well not that it's the most important thing in the world but supposedly he plays basketball whichever video

clip i've seen of him playing basketball he looks like he sucks at that too. Supposedly he plays pool and I'll fucking give him the six out and the breaks anytime he wants to gamble. Let's do it. Do it, Obama. Come on. You got a spot. I think that any very, very difficult thing that anybody does, whether it's bow

hunting or martial arts or anything where it's incredibly difficult to accomplish something, it sort separates the the people that will quit from the people that figure out a way to succeed and that's really that that overcoming adversity is that's where character comes from and that's the things that we all admire and that shit's hardwired into us man the admiration of that like just as simple as me watching your video of you carrying that rock up a hill i mean is it important you carry that rock up a hill in the greater scheme of the universe no it's not but to me it was because to me that day i was like this motherfucker's doing some

shit that i probably can't do right now and when you see that like makes you like i want to be able to carry that rock up the hill all right well if well, if I'm going to fucking start out with a 35-pound plate, I'm going to carry that up the hill. I'm going to work my way up to that big rock. And that inspiring each other and the ability to push yourself to these incredible heights is really one of the more exciting aspects of being a person. It's one of the things that makes being a man or a woman, I mean, I guess being a woman, I'm not a woman, so I don't know. I've thought about it sometimes, what it'd be like.

But it makes it, it makes, it gives you thrills. It gives you excitement. It gives you like these, these feelings of accomplishment when you achieve things. They're, they're some of the greatest moments in life. And I feel bad for people that have never stuck their neck out. I feel bad for people that have never taken chances. Not because they're less. Because they're not less. They're just, they haven't reached their potential. It's not that their potential is less.

I feel like probably inside all of us, we all have the potential for greatness in one way or another. As long as we don't have any obvious physical problems, we didn't get dealt a terrible genetic hand of cards, you know, with a disease or something like that. But if you don't have that, I think all of us have potential. We just, I feel bad for people who don't at least attempt to reach a potential in some way. Yeah. And that's, you know, for me, I don't, I didn't feel, I don't feel like I'm any different from anybody else, you know, because I've been back in my early twenties. I remember I signed up for a 10 K race, 6.2 miles back home and quit. I mean, I always had been partying. I was, I don't know what 19 or 20 and, uh,

it's just whatever, not in shape. And I'm like, why am I doing this? And stepped off the course and that I've never forget. I'll never forget what that moment felt like being a quitter. And that, that was, that is crazy. But the point is, is so if I've been that guy who quit a six mile race and I've come and now, you know, have done, you know, what I, what I can do or what I finally believe or figured out I could do, anybody can, you know what I mean? I'm not like crazy talented or, or have all this ability that just is natural. It's just, but it's what I've, what I'm doing and what I chase and what I work for every day. And I've been able to achieve what some might consider, you know, big accomplishments and I'm doing and what I chase and what I work for every day. And I've been able to achieve what some might consider, you know, big accomplishments. And I'm just a regular guy. You're a regular guy,

but you're a regular guy who puts it out there. And when you put it out there, that's what creates that energy. That's what creates that inspiration. That's what creates action because people will watch your video and go, man, I'm going to the fucking gym. And they'll go to the gym and they'll start lifting weights or they'll do whatever it is that they do, that they'll get inspired by your hard work. They'll watch that video of you getting up early in the morning and going running when you don't want to. Right.

And they see you tired. Everybody feels that. Everybody's seen that alarm clock go off or heard that alarm clock go off and like, I do not want to get up now. Everybody knows that feeling. But it's overcoming that feeling but it's overcoming that feeling it's developing that muscle of discipline where you look at that alarm

you hit it and you just just get up you know i had an ex-girlfriend um back when i was fighting who uh she she used to get angry at the way i would get up because uh you know she had to work and i i was a comedian i had you know a she had to work. And I was a comedian. I had, you know, a bunch of different, like, small-time jobs. But when I would get up, I'd get up angry because I had sort of this thing that I would do in the morning, like perform my morning workouts when I'm training. I would, the alarm clock goes up, and I would get up like my life depended on it. So the alarm would go off.

I'd hit it, and I'd just fucking jump out of bed. Like the house is on fire because I was like, that's the way to do it because anything else is weak. Right. Like I had a real problem when I was young. Like I didn't want, I was so crazy when I was competing, I competed in martial arts from the time I was like 15 till I was 22. That's all I did.

I was like 15 until I was 22. That's all I did. And I was so crazy that I thought it was weak to want sex, that wanting sex with my girlfriend was like a weakness, and that pleasure was a weakness. Wanting to taste good food was a weakness. You're going to be miserable. I was fucking crazy.

I was completely crazy. But that alarm clock would get up. The alarm clock would go off, and I would would go off and I would get up angry. Yeah. I would get up angry and urgent and that's how I'd wake up. I'd just wake up instantly. We got to go. And I'd get my shoes on and do my run or whatever I did that day in the morning. And you know, and she would go, will you fucking stop doing that?

You fucking drive me crazy. You get up. I think the house is on fire or something like that. Yeah. She, she's overacting. Got rid of that bitch. Got a better one. It wasn't, she's overacting got rid of that bitch got a better one it wasn't she was overacting i was fucking crazy i wouldn't have wanted to hang out with me when

i was 19 i was a fucking maniac yeah but you know that that's probably better than hitting that fucking snooze button 10 times in a row yeah you know the developing the discipline the the muscle of discipline. I get that through inspiration. I get that through knowing, like watching a video of you seeing that alarm clock go off, knowing that you're tired, getting up and working out. Like you Instagrammed a picture from Vegas when you were at the SHOT Show. You're looking totally exhausted and you're lifting weights.

I'm like, fuck yeah, he's doing it. That's what you got to do. You don't want to lift weights? Good. Go lift weights. You know, you're tired. There's always, always an excuse. Fuck yeah. There's always an excuse. But when you get through it, you realize like it's life is a lot of times not about doing what you want to do. Life is about doing what you, what you're supposed to do or what you should do and then knowing that when you want to do it it'll be even easier then yeah no i you know that's part of my my routine and people always ask well so what do you do what's your you know routine for getting in shape or what's i'm like

it's real simple actually i got it on my shirt lift run shoot i lift, shoot every day. Well, what about, okay, so every day? Every day. You don't take Sundays off? Nothing? Every day. You don't take a day off a week for anything? Every day. Wow.

That's interesting to me. I should add every day to the bottom. I take days off, son. I like days off. And people post, hey, I would like days off too, but I can't do it. I just can't. You can't do it mentally? No, can't do it.

Really? That's interesting. Yeah. And people, this one guy, I remember he posted on my, I don't know where it was, Facebook, I think. He's like, yeah, you know, I've been following you for a long time, but, you know, everything you're doing now is just too much. I'm like, too much what? Too much for who? Too much for you just too much. I'm like, too much, what too much for who too much for you or too much for everybody. And so that was like, my whole thing is now I want to, I want to

be the guy who does too much. Cause how do you do too much? Right, right, right. Too much for, I mean, who determines, is there a council that says, okay, it's been determined you're doing too much. So I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we, what we used to think is too much is now the norm. Right. You know, I mean, if you stop and look at like, as far as like exercise, like think about like what people used to do for exercise and now what people do now, like no one trains harder than MMA fighters. Right. And MMA fighters, the, you know, you deal with a guy like say, uh, you know, a George St. Pierre or John Jones, they weights, maybe he would go mountain biking, you know, maybe he would do something like, you know, something like where he's moving,

he's getting some exercise in it, but he would do like, what do we call an active recovery day? Maybe you go hiking, you know, it was still work, but you're forcing your body to understand that your body, this is what you do, dude dude this is what your body does yeah and it might i mean for those guys especially and it might be for one minute their fight might be over in a minute yeah could be so they're doing all you know like i watched uriah the other night i know how hard he works and first round over yep that very that was a very unfortunate ending too um you and it was very unfortunate for Uriah in a lot of ways. First of all, he went into that camp

right after the McDonald fight and he had an injured knee and an injured hamstring entering into the brow fight. So he had a pulled muscle in his hamstring, a partial tear and his knee was fucked up so he couldn't wrestle. So not the most optimum

conditions to be fighting, not just for a world title, but against easily one of the four baddest motherfuckers to walk the face of the planet. That Hennen Barau, he is a beast. That kid is so good. And he hit Uriah with one leg kick early in the fight. You see Uriah's leg give out.

You see that limp. There's a limp that a guy gets when you know that shin really slammed into the meat of the muscle there's this like stutter step that they give I was like oh boy yeah long long night for Uriah and then he got tagged yeah even worse that unfortunately he got Steve Rinella do you know Steve Rinella yeah Do you know Steve Rinella? Yeah. Hey, man, I'm doing a fucking podcast with Cameron Haynes. I'll call you back. Yeah. Dude, call me.

He wanted to get on there. Yeah, probably. He's like, listen, this guy's full of shit. You need a 60-pound bow and that's it. This guy's a maniac. Stop all your lifting. This dude's a goddamn billy goat. We went pig hunting two weeks ago and just following him up the hills.

Jesus, he doesn't get tired. He has no muscle mass. He's just a thin guy, but he can go for days, for days. He just doesn't get tired. I was shocked when we were in Montana because I'm in pretty good shape. But I was following him up these hills and I'd be like, and he'd be like, nothing, not even breathing heavy. Yeah. That's what really got me onto this idea of exercise and hunting being together and that hunting is a difficult thing.

Is that you carrying this? Yeah. Look at the horns on that thing. Oh, my God. Those antlers are giant. Doing lunges there. Is that what you're doing? No. No, you carrying this? Yeah. Look at the horns on that thing. Oh my God, those antlers are giant. Doing lunges there. Is that what you're doing? No. No, you're just picking it up? Yeah. That's a good way to do it though, right? Yeah. Now, is there any exercise that you do specifically to deal with the fact that you've got so much weight on your back? Because when you're packing out like that- Didn't we talk about the rock? Yeah. But I mean, what I'm saying is to compensate for that.

Not just doing that and carrying the rock, but is there any other, like, do you do like those Roman chair exercises or something to strengthen your lower back? Because it seems like your core and a lot of the areas of your back are really taxed, your spine carrying a lot of weight on a pack like that. Well, I mean, I'm working core all the time from planks to all the lifts that I do to shooting a bow can be core. It is. I mean, you're trying to hold steady. You're engaging your core. So yeah, I do in running the mountain. So whether I have the rock or not, I'm running that mountain. And when you're on an uneven trail and you're juking around and stepping in holes, you know, you're engaging your core. So and then, of course, we do, you know, different regular lifts, deadlifts and whatever else. So I don't know.

I'll try to mix it up. Yeah, I would imagine that there's a lot of crazy muscle groups involved and not just carrying that rock out, but just in shooting that bow, do you balance out your body because you're pulling so hard on your right side? Do you ever pull your bow just with your left side just to balance it out? No, I think the lifting helps that, you know, because lifting is pretty much you're engaging both sides equally. So the bow just is what it is.

I probably am a little unbalanced, but you wouldn't be able to tell, but just from 27 years of doing it or whatever it's been. Yeah. My friend Steve Maxwell is a pretty famous strength and conditioning expert. He works with a lot of people that have imbalances, like kickers in the NFL. Right. And he gets them to kick with the opposite side. Oh.

And one of the things that they found is that when you use your weaker side, like say if you have a strong side, and they found this with jujitsu as well, it actually enhances your ability on your strong side. Hmm. So if you, I find that playing pool too. I shoot pool left-handed sometimes.

Like if I'm playing my daughter or if I'm playing someone who sucks, I'll shoot pool left-handed. And then sometimes when left-handed comes up, like there's a shot that I can't reach right-handed, I'll shoot it left-handed. There you go. And if I practice left-handed, then my right hand becomes better. Because I'm concentrating, I have to concentrate so hard to use my left hand because it's all like, it doesn't know how to move right. It's all goofy. It's not thinking right. And my right hand just falls right into place. They say that using your weak side actually enhances your strong side, using your less dominant side.

Yeah. I don't know if I could shoot a bow. I mean. I know you could. Don't say you couldn't. You could, 100%. I'll bet everything I own that you could shoot a bow left. I mean. I know you could. Don't say you couldn't. You could 100%. I'll bet everything I own that you could shoot a bow left-handed. The only difference in between that is, you know, you have your dominant eye. Yes. Right? So to shoot left-handed, I'd have to use what isn't my dominant eye. I'd have to use my left eye to aim.

Yeah, I don't think that'd be a problem. You know what I started doing recently at the range? I started shooting left-handed because I was shooting so many rounds with my right that i was fucking up my right shoulder oh really the 300 wind mag oh oh yeah i was slamming that thing into my shoulder so many times i was like let me just fucking shoot a bunch of rounds lefty that's why rifle hunting is bad because the the the the shock the impact just get a muzzle break too noisy it's definitely noisy but But I got these cool earphones that you listen to. They cancel the sound out except

talking. Like the sound of gunshots gets muffled radically. But I could hear you loud and clear if you're talking to me. Like, actually, I can hear you louder than I could with my ears. It actually enhances the sound. Yeah, my friend Justin, who's a gun nut,

told me about them. They're incredible. Justin Martindale? No, no. It's different. He's a different kind of gun nut. Justin, call it. Justin Martindale is a different kind of gun nut.

Yeah. But he is a gun nut. Science. But I found that shooting lefty, practicing left-handed, it made me so happy that I could go back to right-handed because I was so much better at it. I think that if you, well, you're so good at shooting bow and arrow anyway, but if you did start shooting left-handed, I bet it would make your right hand better.

Yeah, maybe. Have you ever thought about getting Hoyt to make you a left-handed bow? I think they'd do it. Let's do it. Let's call Hoyt up. I just want to thank you and Hoyt for bringing me this awesome bow. Hoyt, which is one of the best bow manufacturers on earth, brought this Hoyt Carbon Spider Turbo for me, and it is amazing. We shot a couple shots. We actually have a little bit of an archery setup back here in the back of the studio, so we shot a couple of. We actually have a little bit of an archery setup back here in the back of the studio,

so we shot a couple of targets with it, but this bow is sick. Yeah, I have one just like it. It's amazing, man. It's really, really awesome. It feels great. I brought the Factor. Yeah, yours is 90 pounds. The one you brought me is 70 pounds, which makes me feel like a little girl.

I'm going to have to ramp it up. Yeah. That thing's incredible. I was amazed at how hard that is to pull back, too. That's really hard. Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, it really is like doing a 90-pound row. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, and it's a lot of its technique. You know, you want to push with the left, pull with the right. But, yeah, it's got a lot of power. I built that or had them build that for me to hunt those water buffalo in Australia. And then I'm going to use it in Africa on Cape Buffalo too. Yeah, Jamie had that video up. Jamie, pull that video up so you can see that water buffalo.

It's a long stalk, a long patient stalk on this buffalo. And I would imagine you would want to get a bunch of trees between you and him just in case shit got hairy. And you had a duck behind one of those trees yeah the thing about this so these animals here is they catch they catch movement so if if they're not looking while you're moving they don't they can't pick that up so it's about going slow and then if he looks of course i stop so it's just about it's like right here so i stop because his head's up. And so he can see out of his eye. I'm not moving.

Now he puts his head down. And one thing that I figured out on these things is they might put their head down and pretend like they're eating, but really they're looking. So you've got to be able to tell. He'll have his head down, but if he's not ripping grass side to side, he's not eating. He's just testing me. So he might have maybe picked something up, but he put his head down, but his mouth wasn't moving. So I just stop. I'm like, okay, you're trying to, you're trying to catch me here. But, um, as long as they don't see you move, you can, you can walk right up right there. And I get to 40.

I'm not sure what we're filming here, but get to 46 yards and the crazy thing about this is is I wanted to let his his leg go forward so I can slip that arrow in as his leg's forward opening up his vitals and I waited too long and you can watch this arrow

and it clips a tree in between me and it and it hit the arrow hit a little lower than what I wanted because it hit that tree but because I have you know 90 pounds and so much force it was it ricocheted caught a little bit of energy from that tree it was lessened but it still went in and heart shot on that buffalo yeah here it is when you're shooting it yeah so watch watch that tree the the curved one

yeah so watch watch that tree the the curved one so i want his leg to go forward and also you barely barely barely caught that but if i would have had less poundage that could have so right there it's that's a heart shot on him and he has no idea what happened so he's taken off and their vitals that looks like a bad shot like if you were hunting elk and their vitals that looks like a bad shot like if you were hunting elk that would be too forward and too low but on those that's where the that's where the uh the heart is so you have to know basically right yeah it's a little bit different on those animals than what we're here in north america and so you see he's going to run into a tree here he's pretty wobbly and so i don't know how many seconds this was but you got a 2 000 pound animal with just a razor sharp stick and he's down in you know a minute maybe a minute and a half that's

that's a lot quicker than they're ever going to die in natural habitat on their own well no doubt and that's one thing that people need to understand when you're talking about animals and hunting animals uh and you know people that are opposed to it they need to understand when you're talking about animals and hunting animals, people that are opposed to it, they need to understand, first of all, that in order to do proper conservation, to take care of these animals, to make sure that their herds, the population is strong, you have to cull some of the animals. You have to, because otherwise they're going to die of starvation. They're going to get diseased. There's a lot of issues involved if you're not introducing predators. And if you introduce predators to take care of the population, well, then you've got a whole other problem, obviously.

And they're actually seeing that right now in parts of this country with wolves. When they reintroduce wolves, I mean, they're really ramping up wolf hunting now in Idaho. Oh, yeah. Because the wolves are just tearing up elk. Yeah. And it's, yeah. Because the wolves are just tearing up elk. Yeah. And it's, yeah. Decimating populations. Yeah.

And, you know, like in Australia, there's no predators. So those buffalo, there's too many of them. Right now, there's no limit on buffalo. You don't need a tag. You don't need a license. They just want them killed because they're not native. Those are Asian water buffalo. So they were brought over to Australia. They're not native.

And so there's so many of them where there once was water and there's fish and all sorts of things. Now it's just basically a mud hole because those buffalo get in there and, you know, they piss in there. They live in there, killed everything. So they tear up the the habitat they tear up the water they ruin the water source and so now they just want to kill so when i was over there i killed three of those big old things and you could kill 20 of them if you want they need them gone wow that's the same thing with new zealand as well right new zealand has an issue with non-native species yeah yeah yeah that's you know you know there's only if i don't know there's tons of non-native species in uh australia i think let's see the guy who was with

adam green tree he killed uh it's not a dingo but it's uh sort of like a dingo but it's not a pure bread because those are protected but uh see that kangaroo look how yoked he is yeah kangaroo is following the cameron haynes program yeah look at him that's i would not want to tango with that kangaroo man that's he you don't need to be that jack to be a kangaroo see he's he's wasting his time he's getting crazy no but uh yeah so it's it was it was good getting over there and seeing different animals and learning from uh let's see adam green tree and and Owen Stronell were over there. And they've awesome bow hunters. And, you know, getting a new country is just what I love to do.

Yeah, and the non-native species thing is a fascinating thing to me because that's what we're dealing with in North America with the wild hogs that have been introduced. You know, they were introduced with the Europeans, and they've run rampant all throughout. I mean, California, we were in Tohon Ranch where I went hunting with Rinella. And they have 50,000 hogs on this one ranch. I mean, they're fucking everywhere. It's insane. You see these herds of them.

Oh, and they're rooting around, tearing up the ground. Yeah, and they breed all year round. They're just constantly making babies. And so there's certain ranches in California, in Southern California, they're begging people to come on their ranch and kill hogs. In Texas, famously, they're shooting them out of helicopters. I mean, they actually have companies that take people on helicopter hog hunts. And that's what they're all about. They just fly around, they find the hogs,

and they're shooting them out of the sky. And part of it is novelty, in that you get to hunt from a helicopter, but part of it is necessity. Oh, yeah. You can't get to these damn things. You have to reduce the number somehow. Yeah.

The non-native species thing is very fascinating to me. And just the understanding of population control is one of the things that I've really become fascinated by getting into hunting. Understanding what the fish and wildlife, what they have to go through in order to figure out, like, how many tags to give out. Right. What the numbers are that they need to, where they need to let animals recuperate, where they need to go in and take some of them and reduce them. It's a fascinating thing. And one of the most efficient programs in our country, as far as like, you want to talk

about like government programs. Well, Fish and Wildlife is a government program, but damn, it's effective. Yeah. Effective and efficient because it's run by actual hunters and fishermen and outdoorsmen. Yeah. Effective and efficient because it's run by actual hunters and fishermen and outdoorsmen. Yeah. No. And the thing about, you know, hunting people still, if you're not a hunter, it's hard to understand, or some people still don't understand why in this day and age you need to hunt.

Well, you know, like I, I work with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. They're the number one conservation group out there and they've, they've helped protect habitat. I think over 6 million acres now of habitat for elk. So that's from hunters dollars, you know, conservation groups. So hunters, the money we pay for tag and license and everything else to use to be in out there hunting with the weapon, that's what goes into helping these animals. You know, elk numbers now have never been higher. That's, yeah, we're hunting them, but we're also paying and contributing to the health and habitat and for elk and other wildlife. And that's what people don't understand.

Without putting a value on those animals, then that's where, I don't know, that's where everything goes sideways. But because we value them, we're willing to pay money and help. And we've got outfits like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that just do amazing work for us. Yeah. I know what, where their mindset, I know, I understand where they're coming from. The people that are anti-hunting, um, it's, they're, they're coming from kindness. I mean, they don't want you to kill these cute animals. They don't want you, they, they, they feel like it's a cruelty thing or that it's a, an evil thing to go out to nature and find these beautiful things and shoot them and kill them. I understand the mindset, but it, like many things in life is not nearly as cut and dry as everybody wants to paint it,

as everybody wants to depict it. It's, It's a far more complex and complicated issue, and they have a hard time believing that someone could have a deep love for animals while still hunting them. Right. I don't think anybody could respect a bull elk more than I do, you know, maybe the same, but it's, I think about elk hunting every single day. And those bulls are, man, once, I don't know, I dreamed about killing a six by six bull elk, or I, first of all, I didn't know if I had what it took. I was like, am I good enough? Or am I tough enough? Or can I even do this? I mean, maybe I can't, maybe I'm not even capable of it. Cause I, I could kill some animals. I could kill the spike mean maybe I can't maybe I'm not even capable of it because I I could kill some animals I could kill the spike boy killed some smaller bulls but a six by six bull

mature herd bull is what every hunter dreams of and for folks who don't know what you're saying six by six means six on each side six points on each side yeah this is an enormous animal yeah yeah for folks who don't understand you're talking about the antlers antlers that are bigger than my arms yeah longer and and thicker even than my arms okay so i killed a six by six bull this year in colorado or in 2013 and it was about 10 years old so to do that he's been through 10 hunting seasons he's you know endured 10 winters i mean tough tough animal and so for a long time i didn't know if i had if i had what it took and that was the when i finally did do it is when princess di died like i said and so that was when i when i called it was just like all i could think about

is i finally proved to myself i could do it and that's a that's powerful that was the first time that you'd ever done it. There's one right there. Yeah. That's more, that's more than the six by six. That's a, that's a, that's a monster. It looks like he's got an extra tie in there, but, uh, pull up a video of Elks bugling. I know we played one of those before just so people can hear it because there's one on my, uh, on my YouTube from Colorado this year and the bulls coming up the hill bugling

and it's so loud. Oh, yeah? Okay, what is that? Do you know the name of the video? Should be something Colorado. Cam in Colorado or something like that. Well, Jamie will find it. But that animal itself, the elk,

is almost like a mystical animal to me. Because if you've heard one, I've heard one call before. We were in Mount Rainier. We actually weren't even hunting. We were looking for Bigfoot. I was there with my friend Duncan. You didn't find him, did you? Dude, we found him.

I just like to keep secrets. I'm not like Tom Sizemore. I'm not all blabby. No, it was for this sci-fi show that I did called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And can you hear it? Yeah, if you go to like eight or nine. Eight or nine minutes? Yeah.

Let's see. Can we hear the? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, this is where I took a selfie of a bull coming in. No, it's past that. Maybe right in there. Yeah. Yeah, can we

oh there we go listen to this how far away is that right now he's about 70 that's him that's so weird yeah listen to this and that's a carbon spider turbo that's an 80 pound that's a carbon spider turbo? That's an 80-pound one? That's not a carbon. That's a spider turbo. That's before? That was last year. The model before? That is amazing, dude. That will just put the hair on the back of your neck.

Wow. And so you have this scope in your hand that's a spotting scope that shows you the distance? Is it distance? Rangefinder. Rangefinder. Wow. scope that shows you the distance is a distance rangefinder rangefinder yeah so he he's about 18 yards right here but he's going to get the wind so i have to try to stop so i do that with my mouth i'm trying to stop him before he smells me so he spooks right here and he goes to about 25 right here my son son Tanner's filming. Right there. So it was a perfect shot.

And you'll see, here's how you see how lethal a bow is. He's bleeding on the other side. Yeah. Arrow went clear through. Wow. He probably doesn't even know what the fuck just happened.

No, he's looking for a bull. He hears that other bull was bugling. He just got in a fight with a bull. Now he's like, he doesn't feel so good wow so that's it that's uh that's an animal seven times bigger than you yeah and that was just with a sharp stick

basically and that's so that's what you dream of is about every bow hunter dreams of that and how many of those have you ever killed? Oh, I don't know, probably 30. Wow, dude, you must have the most ridiculous freezer at home. Yeah, no, the freezer's full, definitely. What kind of a freezer do you have? Do you have, like, one of them walk-in freezers? I have two, just two freezers.

Two big giant freezers? Yeah, in the garage. Yeah, and it's full of bear and elk and everything else. You probably never have to go to the supermarket for meat, right? No, we still like a good beef steak every once in a while. You know, I buy my beef from Adam LaRoche. He has a ranch in Kansas, and it's just, you know, the beef is raised, no steroids or no, it's just free range. And that's where I buy my meat from. He's another hunter. He's on the show Buck Commanders.

He plays for the Washington Nationals. And is it all grass-fed? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and it's as good as it gets. The farm that we hunted on in Wisconsin this year is my friend Doug, Doug Duren. And he actually has cows on his farm as well and raises them grass-fed, gave us some of the beef. It was delicious.

Amazing. People don't realize, man, when you're feeding cows these diets that are unnatural to them, giving them corn, they're all fat and shit. Like, I was at a restaurant the other day and they tried to give me some of that Wagyu beef. They're like, it's our finest beef. I'm like, get that sloppy, fat, stupid animal away from me.

That drunken animal. Yeah. No. That's what it is. They get them drunk off beer. They're feeding them beer and fattening them up. You're not supposed to have all that fat, that marbling. You get a nice grass-fed steak, and it's very lean.

It's darker. It's a deeper red. It's more like a game animal. Yeah. It's not as lean as elk and no um and but like you said eating uh is that steve calling again texting i should shut this fucking thing off um steve yeah how dare he but i've been in colorado in that high country there and that's about 11,000 feet. That's up in the mountains. And I killed a bull, I don't know, I think it was three years ago. And we cut out the backstrap, built a fire and cooked it. I actually put it on one of my arrows because my arrows are aluminum and cooked the

backstrap, skewered on an arrow over a fire. And I don't care where I've eaten or the food I've eaten, it would never be better than that right there in the mounds killing or eating an animal I just killed. It was amazing. Yeah, we did that in Montana. We had liver and heart that we had killed two hours ago. And we cooked it up at the campfire. We were all just like, oh, this is incredible. It's so good.

Yeah. And the taste, it's so good yeah and the the taste it's so vibrant too like the the taste of elk elk is an extremely delicious animal it's uh it's got a really unique flavor to it yeah almost sweet right well and it's just you know so i was i was cutting that back strap on a rock dirty hands just a knife that I'd get it away it's just like so what whatever I don't even know how you'd describe it but it's just I don't know just feels like that's that's how it's meant to be that's almost how I feel like I'm meant to live you know it's just out there living in the in the

mountains and I don't know just powerful even not killing an animal there's something to me about the mountains that's insanely appealing um i i just i love being in the mountains it gives you this weird i i've it sounds like very hippie but i believe that when you are in these areas like when you are in a mountain and there's all these trees and there's a river or stream or whatever i feel like there's energy coming out of those trees there's energy in that hill and then these these life forms these these plants that grow there in the wild and these vibrant things that have existed without any human assistance whatsoever and we'll be here probably long after we're gone there's there's something to them where when you're in that environment, you feel it. You might not even know you feel it, but sort of like you don't know when you breathe in smoggy air.

You just breathe in smoggy air. And then you get to a mountain, you get that mountain air, and you're like, wow, this is different. And then you're around those plants. I feel like, I mean mean it's not like they're communicating with you but i feel like they give off a vibe yeah i that wasn't after you smoked a bunch of pot was it i ate a bunch of pot no it's even stone cold sober man but that the pot would definitely enhance no i i believe that too you know i've i've been there's this place i used to go and camp by myself in the eagle cap and it was just like on this rock shelf looking over this huge canyon.

And so I was sleeping there one night and, you know, stars are out. And just before dark, I'd glassed about 300 yards away a bunch of bighorn rams. And, you know, sheep are just like the holy grail of hunting, right? And so I was watching these sheep and it was just like, it's just so, I don't know. It's so amazing that moment. So I went to bed, my bivy sack there. And I woke up in the morning, the sheep are still there, except there was one less. And I'm like, I wonder where the heck that other ram went. Well, I went over there and found a lion had killed a ram the night before and so i found

his leg i'm like oh okay well here's one reason why he wasn't with them but it's just like those those rams are they're feeding uh one got killed by a lion they're still there feeding nothing had changed i mean the wind was still blowing the they they were still feeding, but one was gone. And it just, to me, it was just like, man, he, I could die back here. Nothing, nothing changes. I mean, you were just, you really figure out how you fit in. Nobody, nothing cares back there. It's just like, that's just the way it it goes there's life and death and nothing in the wilderness changes and that's just to me that was powerful you know you feel you really feel um how you fit in and it's humility you don't have much of an impact really you know who needs to feel

that who's that kanye west you take that motherfucker bowhunting there you go take him bowhunting and why he's in his little tent and he hears, Yeah. Here's some mountain goat get taken out. Well, I think a lot of people could benefit, including Kanye. Almost everybody could benefit. Have you ever had any encounters with mountain lions? Let's see. I've had a shot at one.

I've never killed one. I've never been with dogs, you know, hunting lions. So it's just kind of been a happen chance, but, um, I was still in that same country and I was walking on the top of this cliff and I was looking down at the Rocky mountain, the goats. I don't know. Have you ever seen a goat? It's a white with the little black horns. Well, they live up in notoriously steep country. So I'm up on top of this cliff, looking down at the goats and I was just by myself sneaking along. And I look up further down the, down the cliff and there's a lion standing there watching the same goats.

So I was, I didn't have a tag for the goats. So I was just kind of watching them. They only give one tag for that area. It's really, really tough to get, but still they're just awesome animals. And so I looked down and there's a lion watching the same goats and you could see they, if those goats get too high, they get killed by the lion, so they kind of stay a little lower, it doesn't, they figure it out, but that lion's just waiting for one to make a mistake. Well, I was just seconds from being able to get a shot, because I had a lion tag, mountain lion, and you guys can't hunt them here, but we can hunt them in Oregon, but not with dogs.

But I was seconds from getting a shot right before he looked at me and took off. So I've seen that lion. I saw a lion chasing a cow elk back there. They're nocturnal. You just don't see many lions out in daylight unless they're hunting like that. But I've seen them. Do hear them like when you're camping um yeah they may yeah you you know i may not have known what it was but uh they do make a noise unlike any you've ever heard you know and that's lions and you can just what's it sound like i don't know it'd be hard to describe. Give it a shot. No, I can't do it.

Can't do a lion impression? No, I can't do it. Is it meow? No, not like that. Deeper? Yeah. No, that's more like a bear. But, yeah, I don't know.

But something creepy. Yeah, something creepy. Right, exactly. Something that you were like, that's weird. Have you ever seen the photo of the lion and the ram dead on the road where they had fallen off the cliff? Yeah. Where the lion and the ram were duking it out. Yeah.

And apparently they both went over the edge. Yeah. That to me is one of the most powerful photographs of the struggle of nature, the tooth, fang, and claw of the wilderness. And that happens all the time. I'm sure. You just don't have pictures of it. Yeah. Because it's not on a road.

Right. But, yeah, they deal with that all the time. Both of them deal with that all the time. Yeah, and, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. Nothing changes. You can find that picture, Jamie. That's a crazy picture.

Yeah, this is the picture yeah the series of them the two of them lying down on the road i mean that is such a powerful photograph yeah it just makes you realize like what an insane struggle it is to try to be surviving as an animal in the wilderness. And see, that's all snow piled up there. You know, it's cold. I mean, they're out there 365 days a year trying to survive. So that's why I think about what they go through when I'm working out.

And it's just like they're so much tougher. I mean, we're so weak as a society, you know, we're used to laying on the couch, watching TV, having everything while a bull elk is laying out there in the rain and the snow and the whatever getting so tough. And so I always think about there's this gap between me and a bull. I need to close that gap because it's just getting wider and wider every day for most, you know, so if you can close that, if I's just getting wider and wider every day for most you know so if you can close that if i can get tougher and tougher and tougher i'm going to be more on an equal playing field and be more of a predator like a lion you know what i mean or a wolf

how did you decide to specialize in elk um it's just the biggest animal near you in oregon yeah it's just like you know it was probably the most respected and regal animal that i could afford to hunt you know i didn't for when i first started hunting we bought a deer tag it was like 11 50 i couldn't afford an elk tag because they were 25 bucks it was like 25 there's no way i'm ever gonna hunt elk and uh so that's just the way it was didn't have any money and then once i could afford elk um it was that year that uh that i killed that one with the bow and um you know so i'm in at like 30 bucks i'm like i need to get my money's worth out of this thing between uh you know i think it went up a little bit so it was 27 50 or something like that but um yeah that was it there's

just it was just the biggest most respected animal a bull elk is just like man you know i could never dream of hunting sheep at that time or um buffalo or whatever so it was elk and elk i mean if you got 500 pounds of meat off an animal what is that worth money-wise i mean that what a bargain for a 25 tag get 500 pounds well obviously you have to pay for your equipment and your time and your food and everything it doesn't pencil out doesn't pencil out once you once you figure out the time and you know you look at these bows right here these are you know shoot by the time you get this bow set up here with arrows and everything else it's like 2 000 bucks so you don't want to pencil it out that it's not it's not about the the value of it you know what i mean so uh it's just about more about just the experience and why did you decide

to go to australia to shoot these water buffaloes just for the experience of it yeah just um i wanted it you know it's like when i'm not hunting i don't know just being in my office working at my regular work i feel like i'm dying basically do you really yeah i just feel like what your boss is listening right now you know that right it's like what the fuck cam i thought you like it here no i do like we like you in the office you're dying yeah well i mean i like it there damage control sorry boss hey listen man i felt like i was dying when i was doing fear factor i know what you're talking about no but i just feel like that's not what i'm what you want to do meant to do yeah it's just i just need i need uh i need to be outside i need to be outside. I need to be, you know, challenged.

And so I'm like, God, what can I do? And so came out, um, it was in December just, you know, recently. And I'm like, I want to go do something I've never done. So Hoyt hooked me up with Adam down there in Australia. And I wanted to do, actually, when I first decided to go there, it was just going to be to give away a bow. What I do with the bows after I get done shooting them for the year is I hold these contests, and it's like win Cam's bow.

And I just say, if you want to win my bow from last year, show up at this time and beat me at any challenge, beat me at the challenges I put out there, and you can have my bow. And so I was just going to do a win a bow in Australia because I have so many people that ordered my shirts and hats and, and everything else from down there. I'm like, I need to get down there and see these people. You know, I just wanted to, I just felt so much support down there. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So I asked Hoyt, I said, I want to do a win a bow down there. Can you help me set it up with the pro shops or the archery shops down there? So it just kind of turned into a hunt at the same time.

I'm like, yeah, I'll do a hunt also. So that was what I did the hunt. Then I did the win Cam's bow contest, and it just tied it all together. And what was the contest? What did they have to do to win your bow? They had to beat me at running. Well, so we ran. Then we did push push-ups then we did pull-ups and then we did a hundred yard shot so if you beat me at those you get my bow all three they have to beat you at all of them four four all four of them yeah and then if nobody

what if they only beat you three of them no then i then i pound sand next no then i get to choose who i give it to. So I give it away either way. Right. I mean, I'm, I'm not like, you guys suck. I'm taking my bow home. No, I just, then I get to the thing is I'm going to give it away to somebody. If somebody beats me at all that, it's no questions is your bow. And if nobody does, I choose out of the contestants. And so I ended up giving it to this, um, 13 year old girl there. And, um, I just liked her heart, you know, it was a hundred degrees and like a hundred percent humidity. It was just brutal. And, uh, we were running, we ran 12 laps around this, uh, like it, I think it was a cricket

field, but it was about, you know, a 5k, like 3.1 miles. And so we're running and nobody beat me at that, but she was just out there grinding and sweating and hot and just showing a lot of heart. Then she did the pull-ups and of course didn't win the pull-ups and she did pushups. And then at the a hundred yard shot, she made an awesome shot. I mean, she wasn't the closest, but made a good shot at a hundred yards at this 3d bull elk. And, uh, you know, there's other people who beat her there, but I didn't think anybody showed as much heart as she did. So I gave her the bow and, you know, it was an 80 pound bow. So obviously, I don't know if I told her, I said, you don't need to keep it. You can sell it and buy clothes.

You can do whatever you want with it. The point is, is your effort to me won this boat today. That's cool, man. And it's up to you. That's really cool. Now, when you went out there hunting the water buffalo, you camped out there. You camped out there in the bush? Yeah, there was actually, we stayed in this village from the Aborigines. They were, we thought they were going to be there, but there was actually nobody there. And we had to hunt.

It's called traditional traditional land native land you have to get permission from the aborigines to hunt it and what i was told is probably only 50 white men had ever been there just because it's it's wild country it's just where they live but nobody's in the village and we don't know why it was abandoned or whatever you know some i guess if an elder dies, they will leave. They think there's bad spirits in the village. So they just leave everything and take off. So we don't know for sure why it was empty, but we were just there by ourselves. And we just basically slept on the porch of this hut out there.

And we didn't, Adam, who I went out out there with he was like you know when we took a helicopter out there's the only way to get there was a four-hour helicopter ride and uh i said do we want to get any food he's like he was i think it'd be better if we just lived off the land and i'm like okay that's yeah that's cool i didn't know what was out there for sure turns out there's not much and so so that was, that was not the best idea to try to live off the land. Luckily, another guy, Owen went and he did bring some food, but still we didn't have hardly have any food. I mean, I had a granola bar and I had some trail mix from the airport and Adam had a granola bar and then Owen, he brought some apples and oranges and stuff

like that, but all that stuff was gone fast. and we were out there five full days it was 120 degrees fahrenheit out there and the water was like it looked like this coffee i mean because above the buffalo lived in it and they just piss and shit oh yeah just non-stop so you know know, we would have to treat that water. Oh, you drank that water? There's nothing else. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, so it was a process. What does Buffalo piss taste like exactly? You know, surprisingly, it's not that good.

Now, do you put it through filters? Do you boil it? Here's what we did. First, we poured it through our shirt to try to get the big chunks out Owen brought back some water on time and he's like what does this smell like and I was just like oh my god smells like buffalo piss

and you knew you were going to have to drink it so we poured it through the shirt then we did it through a pump Adam had a pump and then he had a SteriPen what kind of pump? it's for filtering water I don't know what kind it was? What do you mean a pump? A water, you know, it's for filtering water. Okay.

Yeah, I don't know what kind it was. But it filters through like a pump system? Yeah. Like a carbon? Right, yeah. It's a filter that supposedly cleans water. So, and then we had a Steripin, which is a UV light that also cleans water. And so we had the shirt, the filter, the Steripin.

And then he's like, okay, so we we got all that now what does it smell like and it's in like a cup like this and i was like oh my still smells it smelled no different so we drank that oh my god like that looks like that like it was no boiling it nothing oh my god she drank straight buffalo piss. Yeah. And shit, too, right? Yeah. What about the bacteria and, you know, like, that stuff that you get, like, when you drink stream water? What's that called that's real common? Oh, Giardia? Yeah, Giardia.

What about that? Well, that's what that stuff was supposed to kill or take out. Wow. Yeah, so Adam, he, like, took a drink of it, and he kind of went into convulsions a little bit. He's like, my body's rejecting it. And it was just nasty. But then there was another time. So we found some hamburger patties that were from the natives there.

They had the freezer. Actually, the government or whoever it is comes in there, and they put power and water their solar power because it's so, you know, it's hot and sunny down there. So, um, there was a freezer and it had some hamburger patties. So we stole those and we're cooking those up. So we're down to like one last patty and I had it, I took it cause I had no food and I had it in my trail mix bags. I had no more trail mix. So I had it in there and I had one cooked hamburger patty. I remember we were sitting there and I had one cooked hamburger patty. And I remember we're sitting there and we just drank a big old vat of Buffalo piss water. And I'm like, man, you know, what would go good with this is that hamburger patty. So I was at my backpack and I pull out my trail mix with the hamburger bag with the hamburger patty in it.

And it's just solid ants. I mean, ants are all filled up and it's just not like regular little cool black ants like we have here. It's just red, mean, whatever ants. And just all over in my backpack, all over that patty. But so all I did, I just blew off, scraped them off, blew them off the hamburger patty and ate it. Why don't you just eat the ants too? I should have. Yeah. Totally gangster. I mean, you're drinking Buffalo piss. I know. Might as well eat some ants. But, you know, here's the thing is, you know, experiences like that is that's where you appreciate, you know, I don't know how good we have it.

Because you realize all that matters is you have something to drink and something to eat. That's it. Yeah, you have to keep your body alive and there's no other way to do it. And so you get home and you see people complain about, oh, there's no ice for this water. I've got to drink this warm water. I'm like, that water looks pretty damn good. I mean, I've drank some nasty water, and I'd take that. So it just puts everything in perspective.

And you have to make sure that you're not getting dehydrated, too. So you have to drink a lot of that piss water. Yeah, you do. What kind of rocket diarrhea did you guys develop? I need to know because it must have been like some broken fire hydrant type diarrhea. No? You didn't? No.

Wow. I mean, we must have got it pretty clean. You must have a strong constitution. I guess so. Now, the buffalo itself, you said that you guys ate that buffalo. Yeah, we had nothing else to eat. And you were telling me about this before the podcast started, but for the folks at home, what was that like? Yeah, it was, so the backstrap is typically the best cut of any game animal.

It's right along the spine, and there's no bones, and it's just big, solid meat. And it's usually just like on an elk that's like as good as it gets tenderloin yeah and so um we cut that off and we cooked that up in these buffalo so cut that up and cooked it up so i take a bite and i shoot my bow just middle of the day and uh i was shooting for probably maybe a half hour came back still chewing the same bite and so the thing about these buffalo because there's no predators and we were trying to kill the the biggest bulls out there um the bull could be 30 years old anything any animal that old in those conditions the muscles are going to be so it's muscle you're eating the muscles are going to be, so it's muscle you're eating. The muscles are going to be,

you know, whatever, just not very pliable. And so, yeah, dense. And so I chewed that one bite of the premium cut for half hours, like, you know, eating a shoe. So that was it. What about the organs? Did you eat the liver? No. How come? No, I never, yeah. You don't like liver? No.

You don't like liver, like from a deer? No. Really? No. Why? I don't know. You don't like liver? No. You don't like liver like from a deer? No. Really? No. Why? I don't know. Man, that's my favorite part. That just filters all the crap.

It's so good for you though. No, I'm not. It does a good job of filtering the crap. I'm not a liver guy. That's interesting. You know, the alpha wolf is the one that gets the liver when they take out an animal. Oh, really? You might want to reconsider.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the alpha wolf, they battle over who gets the liver when they take out an animal. Oh, really? You might want to reconsider. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the alpha wolf, they battle over who gets the liver, and that's how they determine the alpha status of the pack, is that the wolf who's the baddest motherfucker is the one that eats the liver. There was a documentary on this guy who lived with wolves. There was a contained area. I forget where it was.

I forget what part of the world, but this one guy lived with these wolves in this contained area, and he was the alpha. And the way that he became the alpha is he was with these wolves since they were little, and he would always eat liver in front of them. So he would have an animal

that they would give to these wolves, and he would put a liver inside of this animal, and he would open up this Ziploc bag and pull this liver out and eat it in front of them so they knew that because he was eating the the the liver he was the alpha yeah well he went away because he had to deal with um there was a local farmer that had a wolf invasion the wolf were killing his livestock so this guy uh had to assist this farmer and one of the ways he assisted him, he set up all these speakers where he had howls. He set up as if there was a new pack that had encroached into this area. And he set up this whole elaborate thing to try to ward off these wolves without having to kill them.

And then some time went by, several weeks, and he went back to the wolves and a new alpha was there. So he had to beg for his life in front of this new alpha. He had a whimper and he had a like. Oh, really? Yeah, it was really intense because it was baring its teeth. It was challenging him for the alpha position. Yeah. And so he had to get out of it by being a bitch

because normally wolves will duke it out and find out, well, oh, you're the alpha now. Well, let's see what's up see what's up bitch and you know they would duke it out to see who this wolf was determined to eat that liver so he had a like they had a fight for his position in the pack by begging well begging for his life i like that's what i do like how simple life is in the mountains you know what i mean i mean there's one leader there's it's just that's the you know that when i was young i liked being back there because i didn't have to worry about you know whether somebody liked me or whether i had money or whether any help from anybody it was just like so simple and so cut and dry just like that there's one alpha wolf and i mean either are you tougher

or is he tougher you know what i mean and that's i just like the how black and white the mountains are you know if you're not tough you die yeah that's that's great if you're tough that's true yeah if you're not tough you want to get back home to the internet like fuck this place man i need air conditioning i need a blanket i i did you know i did a commercial with the wolf for under armor this oh i don't know we filmed it last year but uh i thought the the best ending to that commercial would have been if i could have killed that wolf because it's like how it went is me and the wolf were running through the woods we're both doing the same things and um and then the commercial ended with me i had a bull elk i'd killed but we just took the

rack up there but i had it on my pack and the wolf came up and he saw me with that bull elk and it's like i won because we're both hunting the elk but i i got it and so the wolf jumped up on this log and he snarled and was not happy. And I thought, I said, man, the best ending to this would be if I just arrowed that wolf too. Because you got to kind of infer that I won, but man, that would tell the story right there. Well, that would really like send it home for Under Armour though. People would boycott and they would say, he's killing wolves. Is this the commercial?

Play it. Yeah, that's it let's hear the volume preparation and the right gear you can become nature's equal it's even better you're like bitch i already won yeah that doesn't look like a real wolf though that's a real wolf don't belong it looks like one of those bitch-ass trained wolves. Oh, that was a trained wolf. But it was an actual real trained wolf. A real wolf, not like a hybrid wolf. No, no, no. No, that was...

And that wolf actually... So it was... That wolf had been in like the Twilight movies. You know, I mean, it's sort of a famous wolf. But the thing about it is to make it snarl like that, I took some elk steak up there and uh i was going to give it i was going to give it some elk after it did this whole thing but to make it mad like that you had to give it meat and take it away give it meat take it away and they said they said okay yeah we the trainer said okay we can make it mad and snarl like you'd need for the commercial. But, uh, once we do that, we're, we're done. Cause it's going to be pissed off

for the whole rest of the day. So that was the last thing. So those, that wolf had been, um, I think they had it since it was five weeks old and it was 11 years old, but it's still crazy. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, you don't, they have that in them. So it was pretty, it was pretty cool. Yeah. I had a friend who had hybrids. They weren't even full wolves. They were like, you know, seven eighths wolf or something like that.

But he had them and they got away from him. They got, they were in his, his yard and they went over to the neighbor's property and killed like something like 18 sheep or something like that. Just went on just an orgy of murder. Yeah. And just slaughtered this guy's sheep. Yeah. And then the rancher comes over, pissed at him, and he tried to deny it, gives his wolves a bath.

And I'm like, come on, man. What the fuck else is going to kill 18 of them? A mountain lion is going to kill one and eat it. No. It's a well-fed wolf dog that's going to go on this mad orgy of murder yeah i've read a lot you know i've always been a fan of wolves which is kind of cool to do that commercial with the wolf but you know i read you know call the wild when i was a kid and white fang all that but um um that they i've read a lot about wolves and they're the one of the only animals that'll do

thrill killing you know just kill a bunch of things just to kill them yeah you know whereas other animals usually kill just what they eat yeah they um had a problem with that recently at this ranch in montana um where these uh this pack of wolves just got a hold of these calves and just slaughtered a bunch of calves like you know a ton of them like you know 12 calves and just slaughtered a bunch of calves, like, you know, a ton of them, like, you know, 12 calves, and just left them. I mean, ate part of them, but left a lot of them just sitting there dead, frozen. And it was a really creepy scene. It was on a television show that I was watching.

And when they're, you know, these calves that are mostly covered in snow, you see their bodies and you see the havoc that these things, they're too close to people, these fucking wolves. They're creepy in a weird way. They're smart. They're sneaky. They're strategic in how they kill things. And then they do this thrill killing thing.

No, I mean, and you can't blame a wolf. That's just how they are. But we don't need a bunch of them running around the mountains. I mean. Yeah, people have a weird relationship with them because they look so much like dogs yeah you know it's it's a strange sort of a relationship that people who love wildlife have that they would be cured of really fucking quickly if they were out there in the woods and they saw a pack of wolves yeah because they would realize oh these are monsters yeah these these are the things that they made Little Red Riding Hood about.

This is the big bad wolf. Yeah. Like there's a reason why all of those children's stories involved evil wolves. Because wolves eat kids. Yeah. On a regular basis back then. Well, it's people, there's not realistic about it. I mean, a wolf, they're just looking for something to kill. Yeah.

Whether it's your baby. You. Yeah, you something to kill. Yeah. Whether it's your baby. You. Yeah, you. A deer. Yeah. You know, and people, you know, just like Timothy Treadwell up in Alaska when he was living with the bears

and he thought, oh, bears are my friends. You know, this. Hello, Mr. Chocolate. Yeah. How are you? They ate him and his girlfriend. Yeah. And it's just like, they're not your friends.

Not even slightly. No. They, they, they, the only reason why they aren't eating you is because they don't eat you every day so they're not used to seeing you as food that's it yeah that's all it is yeah and with wolves they're like this motherfucker might have a bang stick they're like circle you look and what's that thing in his hand hmm yeah i might go bang yeah you know they've heard the bang stick a few times and they go running yeah i uh i'm not a big fan of wolves i

am a big fan of wolves and i'm not a big fan of wolves i am a big fan of wolves and i'm not a big fan of wolves like i'm a big fan as far as them like just like i'm a big fan of lions i think even mountain lions i think they're fascinating just wild animals wild predators are absolutely they're they're enchanting in a way just this idea that this thing exists along with us with our lattes and our electric cars and our wi-fi along at the same time at this very same moment we're doing this podcast there's some gangster ass mountain lion in arizona right now getting shit done yeah on a mountain yeah sneaking up on some ram or whatever the fuck he can get his teeth onto and that's what he does every day and there's thousands of them

yeah not just one there's a whole community of mountain lions and they're that's what they do yeah whether it's the wolves in idaho that are destroying the elk or the mountain they're they're really really fascinating but people who are anti-hunting need to understand just because a lot of people don't like to eat mountain lion or these because nobody eats wolves you still need to kill those things like and it's important because if it doesn't happen they're going to creep into civilian areas the same way they used to back in the day when they were writing those little Red Riding Hood books. I've told this story on the podcast before, but I'll tell it again. In Paris in the 1400s, wolves killed 40 people in Paris.

They had to corner wolves in the streets of Paris and kill them with spears and sticks and rocks. Yeah. Like, they're not to be fucked with. No. They're not your dogs. No. It's not a beautiful animal that, you know, has a relationship.

I mean, even the way we treat, like, killer whales. Killer whales don't kill people in the wild. They actually help people that fall out of boats. Mm-hmm. You know, people that fall out of boats. You know, the killer whales might be your friends. We should probably be way nicer to killer whales than we are to wolves. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. There's something about hunting a predator. You know, I mean, I've done a lot of bear hunts and I was up in Alberta this year and I, you know, a lot of people bear hunt and they'll like sit up in a tree stand, this and that. And I'm like, I said, I want, that. I said, I want to hunt a predator, and they're seven-foot black bear.

They're huge. But I want to be on the ground. I was up there with John Rivett in Alberta. I said, I want to be on the ground living amongst them. And there's something about, and so we did that. This is your here. What are you cooking here? Call that bear crack.

Yeah, so you bait them up there. And there's so many bear up there. You can kill two. There's just like tons of bear. You need to manage that number. But so that bear, we call it bear crack because once they get hooked on the crack, they're, I mean, they're coming in. And what is bear crack? What's in it?

What do you mix it in there? Marshmallows and jello and stuff like that just something that smells good but but those bears get cook it yeah just kind of get it wafting in the in the air and then the smoke goes off through there but uh um i wanted to i wanted like that bear was probably god what was that like Like maybe 12 feet away. Yeah, pull that video up again, Jamie. Look how close this bear is. That's a big bear too, man. Yeah, that's a good bear.

And we should point out probably the black bear are much less likely to attack a person than a grizzly. Yeah, I mean, they'll, but the thing is with the wild animal, they'll do whatever they want. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you can say. They'll follow the books. No, I mean, you might get attacked and you go, Hey, you're less likely to do that. You know, it doesn't matter. So you never know a bear, a bear comes and, um, they may, any animal will make a decision right then on what they want to do. You know, if it's a predator, if it's a

dominant predator, dominant bear are more likely just to come walking right in like that and just say, you better leave. Cause I'm coming in. And those, those are the ones, I mean, those are the ones I go after. I want the dominant animal. And, uh, and that one, um, that one wasn't like one of the giant, that was a big bear, but not one of the giant bear. But there's something about being on the ground eye to eye with a predator like that. I mean, that's just what I like to do. So you passed on that bear because it was too small? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. That's a big bear. Yeah, that was. But it wasn't 7 foot 400 pounds like the ones that I got. How big was that one you think? That was like probably six foot maybe you know 250 or 275 wow now why do you want the dominant ones um they're the you know they're the older sometimes those old boars don't breed as much as they used to um a lot of the old

boars you know especially a dominant boar will kill other bear. So even if it's its own cub, I mean, it breeds a lot of sows, you know, when they're in their prime. So the sows have cubs. A dominant boar will kill the cubs because he's trying to eliminate competition for him. You know, so he'll kill his own cubs. That's just how it works. And they eat them too, right? Yeah, they eat them.

I mean, I've, I had this we were um on prince of wales island when that's where this video is right here prince of wales island one time or no no that's this is alaska this isn't prince of wales but uh this guy hit this bear and we came right at dark we came back the next day to recover it and the dominant boar had eaten his bear that's's just, they are just, I don't know. It's just survival of the fittest, basically. So we take those dominant boars out of there, and it pretty much helps the health of the herd, basically. But the numbers, bears aren't herd. But whatever the, how many bears are there, it'll help, you know, taking that big, nasty, dominant

one out of there. And then that's, you know, I don't know. I, I, I just don't need to kill just to kill, you know, I've killed, you know, when I first started, I killed anything I'd have a chance at. I just wanted to notch that tag, take meat home to my family and to have success now i mean like i hunted back home for deer in oregon and i didn't kill i passed up everything because i never saw the animal that i wanted to kill i never saw the a mature buck one that i wanted to get so i just didn't kill i mean i don't need to kill i if i'm going to it's going to be something that you know i'm really uh i don't know infatuated with or just sold on i really want that so it's just a matter of you just did you see good deer you just didn't see a great one yeah

yeah so good bucks probably most people would kill them but i just didn't see the one i wanted what were you looking for how big um like a big you know four by four um you know kind of like you know like what you got there that meal but this is blacktail blacktail yeah this is in western oregon so a good four by four blacktail you know five years old good mature buck and i just never had a chance at one so i didn't didn't kill anything now these bear that you're killing in uh alberta so where was it prince alaska's where was it prince wills uh this one, like we showed that clip, that was Alberta. Alberta.

Are you eating these bears? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I eat everything I kill. What does it taste like when you eat this big old bear? Chicken. No. No.

Bear, you know, bear, I've had really good bear. And it used to be, so like if you have a bear that's living on berries and you get up there in the mountains and kill it, it's going to be really sweet meat because it's eating blueberries or whatever else. If you have a bear that's coming in to bait and like some people bait down here just with meat scraps or whatever, might have maggots, it's probably not going to be that good, you know. But those bear in Alberta, mostly there's just grain is what we're putting out there. Little bear cracks. So those bear are really good. I don't know what it tastes like. It's more like it's fatter meat, maybe more like pork, but it's good.

What are they eating for the most part? What's their diet consist of in Alberta? Man. Whatever they can get a hold of? Yeah. A lot of grass. A lot of grass. Yeah.

Yeah. It depends on the time of the year. So, but they'll take some oats over grass any day. Yeah. I watched this episode of Meat Eater with Steve Rinella where he went for these fall bears that were fattening up before they would hibernate and they were eating berries they were eating blueberries and he it was incredible because as he was cutting this bear open like you see the fat is actually blue yeah it's got like a blue tint to it from all the berries that this animal had been eating

right and he said it was just unbelievably good good yeah i know and that's you know you get those huge black bears or if they're eating fish like in alaska if they're down where like on prince wells they can eat a lot of fish that come in and those bears are huge because of all that protein i mean just it's all about their diet and they get giant because they're eating solid protein all the time but those bears bears aren't as good from fish for whatever reason. They taste fishy? I don't know about fishy, just not as sweet. Yeah, because I've heard like diver ducks. There's two types

of ducks for folks who don't know. There's ducks that eat vegetation. There's diver ducks that go under the water and eat fish. And those kind of taste like shit. Yeah, yeah. It's probably the same with anything. You are what you eat. Yeah, exactly.

So if you're getting any to person, make sure it's a vegetarian. Yeah, there's Steve Rinella with this blueberry fat bear. Yeah. This fat is just like a berry. It's almost half liquid at room temp. If you read old accounts from, from like pioneering Alaskans I mean not even that long ago even back in the 1950s everybody would want to kill a big fat bear and fall like this on berries yeah they didn't have butter and

oil and they would kill these bears take the. Just to lay by a winner's worth of butter and oil. Wow. I shouldn't call it butter, but, you know, something to substitute as butter. You can just spread the fat. Once you cook it, you can spread the fat. You know, the other thing that's unfortunate is everybody can't do that because there's literally not enough game for everybody. If the entire country went hunting.

Yeah, they're not going to either. It's like I said when I started writing about my hunts in the mountains, even people that thought they wanted to do it didn't want to do it. I mean, yeah, not everybody wants to do that. Yeah. It's hard work, man. It's hard work. I enjoyed it very, very much.

But I'm not scared to work hard, and I like new experiences. So for me, it was very exciting and invigorating. But could see someone who's a bitch who uh couldn't handle it oh yeah no there's nothing easy nothing easy about carrying all your gear all your survival gear trying to get an animal I mean it sometimes I've been on hunts even now that are so tough I wondered how have I ever killed anything with a bow it just seems impossible to get in bow range and make a good shot and then recover the animal and it's just so tough ronella was telling me about this moose that uh they shot where uh he had to carry it they did nothing but go out to this moose cut it up and carry it back for three days because it was like a nine-mile trip.

So they would go to camp. They would get up in the morning, go hike out to where the moose was, take pieces of the moose, put it in their packs, and then walk back. And they did it for three days in a row. And he said he wasn't right for two weeks. Said his body was just broken down. Yeah. You earn everything you get out of the mountains.

They'll get it out of you one way or another. Most people are just not going to experience that. It's unfortunate, but when you do do it, the people that do do it, they kind of, one of the thrills of it is that most people are not going to experience that. No, but I think you should be able to respect it. You know, that's the thing. So it's not saying you need to do it, but, man, it's not too much to ask to respect what it takes. Do you find that people disrespect it?

Well, I just think that they minimize it. They're just thinking like, oh, you know, do you think you're a big man from going out and killing? You know, I get anti-hunters who post on some of my videos or, you know, from killing an innocent animal. It's just like, no, you don't even get it. Yeah. That's a weird thing that people love to say. They love to say that, you know, you're killing an innocent animal. There's nothing innocent about being an animal, by the way.

You know, animals are living by the wild. I mean, that's what they're doing. There's nothing innocent about it. It's probably the least innocent thing that a living creature does. Yeah. If they have to kill to survive, any animal will. Yeah. I mean, that's what it's about.

Yeah. And by the way, they'll run you over with those fucking antlers. Oh, yeah. They'll make a charge of you and run those fucking things through you like a shish kebab. Yeah. No, I know. So I just think. So that's kind of why I like videoing the work and the effort and all that, because you don't necessarily have to do what I do, but just respect it.

And that's the thing. I mean, I don't show all that to try to get respect, but I just want people to have an easier time with bow hunting for whatever reason because it seems like it's harder. They'll easily say negative stuff about rifle hunting because they say, oh, you don't have to be close or you can shoot from 400 yards or whatever. But with bow hunting, for whatever reason, we get a little more of a pass because it is difficult. And rifle hunting is hard too. I don't want to say rifle hunting is easy because it's a whole different deal. You're hunting and there's more competition with the rifle out there. So you're competing against other guys.

Uh, the animals have been hunted a little more, so they're a little more wary by that time of year. So rifle hunting is still tough and, and those guys have my respect as well, but just for the general population, it seems like bow hunting and bow hunting is cool right now. Yeah. I mean, it's gaining a popularity. It's just, is it really? Yeah. It's just, you know, how, what, what do you attribute that to? I don't know. Cameron Haynes videos online. It's all, all me. I did it all. No, I mean, from a hunger games, you know, you know, catniss out there. Well, it's just kinda, it just kind of cool. And then I get a lot of emails and correspondence from young guys who want to be more badass, so to speak. And bow

hunting, I mean, shooting a bow is just cool. Yeah. You know? Well, for folks who don't even want to shoot anything, they don't want to kill an animal, you might be a vegetarian, whatever, you might just be fine john hackleman style going to the supermarket and buying your steak nothing wrong with that but i really love archery and i've rediscovered it i did it when i was a kid i was in the boy scouts and i enjoyed it then but i never really got into it i just did it a few times and i always thought it was fun but man um since i picked up uh the this uh bow uh i guess i got it about a couple of months ago, I really enjoy it. I just enjoy shooting targets.

It's really fun. Right. Because when you're concentrating on that target, you're not thinking of nothing else. It's very difficult. You're trying to be steady. And when you're trying to be steady, there's something zen in that. And in that zen activity, there's something that's it's cleansing or something i mean i don't i don't know what it is but in order to really be accurate with a bow it requires so

much discipline yeah it does and that's you know getting out shooting a bow i like getting out in the summer uh shirt off listening to music just by myself i usually go by myself and just you know there's something about watching an arrow arc and drop into the target and that's just i don't know it's powerful it's uh relaxing it's zen like you know like what you mentioned and uh i think people see that and then you look at the bows and the bows look cool you know everybody they're you know you'll you'll get into it also but your arrow is like your signature so everybody has their arrow and it's got their colors you know what i mean and it's got you can get custom wraps on it so i have wraps that say

fear is a liar and fletch that say beast mode and so your arrow becomes you know everybody if you walk in someplace and you're shooting with other guys everybody's looking at your arrow it's just kind of cool so you can customize people they see their bows and they take a lot of pride in how their bow is set up and everybody believes that their setup is better than the next guy's because for whatever reason and it's just you know people get so invested in in archery it's just i don. It's powerful. And like I've said before, bow hunting has changed my life. I mean, I went from, from a kid who had no direction, basically to now I know exactly what I want to do and who I want to be. And it's, you know, allowed me to get on, talk to Joe Rogan here in LA bow hunting. Is that, that's just, I mean, that just seems crazy to me.

So it's, uh, it's, it's just a powerful deal. And you're wearing an Under Armour shirt, man. Under Armour sponsors you. I mean, they make your shirts. They do. Just that alone. You're in an Under Armour commercial with a wolf. Yeah, no Under Armour. They've been my longest sponsor. And I think, I think they told me I'm their longest tenured professional athlete. Really? Yeah, nine years. That's incredible. How did you get involved with that?

It was actually, we were at SHOT Show like so 10 years ago, I think. And I walked by their booth and they had, there's a picture of Randy White. He was wearing Under Armour and they had it in their booth. He's standing out there with a bow. You know, Randy White played for the Cowboys. Super Bowl MVP. And he had this bow and I'm like, dang, he looks like a monster.

He's like 50-some years old and just veins everywhere. Just a stud. That caught my attention. I'm like, so I talked to Eric Crawford was the guy's name at the booth there and I'm like, so how come you guys are here? I i thought you were sports you know just you know football and and baseball things like that you know we're getting into hunting and all they had was like the the green or the brown just tight stuff for hunting just that first layer and i said oh that's cool so

it just kind of he had seen me i was editing this magazine called Eastman's Bowhunting Journal and he had got the magazine. So he knew who I was. So just kind of started from there. I signed on with them and their hunting line now is huge. Yeah. There's a commercial that I make fun of when it comes on because it's so silly. There's all these athletes, like there's this woman woman who's a professional skier, I guess. There's all these different athletes doing all this athletic stuff. And then there's the Duck Dynasty guy with his big fat moon pie face. And he's looking around. They're talking about athletes, and he's blowing his duck call.

I'm like, that's not an athlete. Dude, that's Willie. Who's Willie? The fat guy's Willie? Yeah. You can't make fun of him? I think that's against some sort of law. Nope. I just did. He's a fat fuck, guy's Willie? Yeah. You can't make fun of him? I think that's like against some sort of law. Nope.

I just did. He's a fat fuck and he's got a big fucking dinner plate face. He's big boned. He's fat. That dude's fat as fuck. That dude couldn't go hunting with you. He's sitting around waiting for ducks to fall out of the sky. But it's just hilarious that when his fat moon pie face comes on, no disrespect, that's

when it says, that's when it says athletes. It's like they say the word athletes, that we make clothes for athletes. Like, come on, man. I know. They didn't call me for that. They should call you for that is what I'm saying. Do you think America is ready?

I mean, look, we have this Duck Dynasty show, right? So it's a reality show, which is, let's be honest, it's not really a reality show. It's scripted. There's fake scenarios. But the premise of the show involves hunting. And I think that's fascinating. I think the show is ridiculous.

But I like the fact that it's a hugely popular show, and the show's about hunting. It's a hugely popular show, and the show's about hunting. And I think there's a real hypocritical attitude that a lot of people in this country have because of the fact that food is so readily available, because it's so easy to just go to the supermarket and buy food. People say, well, why would you want to get it yourself? You must be a cruel person that wants to go out and shoot animals. I think even though it's a baby step, a show where, like, a Duck Dynasty-type show where you see these guys that are hunters, and it's a baby step a show where like a duck dynasty type show where you see these guys that are hunters and it's a hugely popular show or 16 million people watching whatever the

hell it is that's good because that's slowly starting to integrate and it's okay because it's ducks and people don't really have as much of an affinity to ducks as they do to bambi you know like a deer hunting show would be a little bit more problematic, but they need to do a show with you, dude. This is what I'm getting at. A show with you out there. I'm telling them right now. They're listening. Trust me.

There's a lot of Hollywood people listening to this show. Shows have been made because of people being on this show. There's that fat moon pie face. Back that shit up. Look at this. Come on, son. Look at that big fat face you are not an athlete man you gotta look at that he's not a stud look at that look at that that's a fat man

it's not a stud you're a stud that's a fat man i know you're being nice but you gotta cut this shit he could be a stud he's got the potential inside of him, but he's eating fucking Cheetos and moon pies. His dad on Duck's Dynasty, he was an athlete at, I think, Louisiana State or something like that. But he was a quarterback on the football team, Willie's dad, Phil, and his backup was Terry Bradshaw. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's fascinating. Yeah. That's fascinating.

Yeah. That's interesting. But how come Phil's all angry at the gays? He's got real problems with the gays. Yeah, he does. Wow, there's all these gays. See, right there. Right there.

How good was Phil Robertson at football? See, he was a stud. Yeah, one point in time. Now he's a gay basher. He's all angry about gays. Gotta let it go, Phil. They don't care about you. You shouldn't care about them.

But, you know, as far as me being on the TV show, so I— Nice segue and change gears. I like how you did that. That's professional. That's how a good man in the media would do it. No, so I have to turn in a contract today for a reality show. Do you? Here in L.A., yeah.

Really? Yeah. That's one of the reasons why you're here? Yeah. Okay, well, talk to me about it afterwards. I'll make sure they won't fuck you over because things get tricky in the world of reality TV. Yeah, well, this is just for the pilot.

Okay, either way, if you sign on for the pilot, you sign on for the rest of your life. I have a friend who they asked him to do a reality show, and fortunately for him, he has his own business and he's doing well, but it was his girlfriend's idea. She wanted to do a reality show and fortunately for him he uh he has his own business and he's doing well but it was his girlfriend's idea she wanted to do this reality show and he read the contract and he calls me up on the phone he's like listen to this shit it's like they own my likeness for a life yeah like they own him for like like what they're realizing because of all you know like from

survivor to fear factor all these shows on is is that they've realized, like, Fear Factor, Michael Yeo is probably the only person that I know of that became famous because of Fear Factor. And Michael Yeo is a comic, and he's on E!, really, really nice guy. But you're famous. Yeah, but I was famous already. I wasn't really famous already, but I was on a sitcom. And I don't know who Michael Yeo is.

He's a very nice guy. He's a comic. But my point was that, like, I guess I certainly became more famous because of Fear Factor. But Fear Factor really didn't make too many stars. But some of those shows made stars. You know, some of these reality shows, whether it's The Bachelor or, you know, of course, like, the singing shows like American Idol made a lot of stars. the singing shows like American Idol made a lot of stars. So they've realized that there's potential money to be made once you're on that show, they make you a star, and then you're a business, you're a brand.

Well, they want that brand. So some unscrupulous producers and networks, they have these all-encompassing contracts that are insane like you you're on this show and then they fucking own you and they can use your likeness till the day you die i mean they own you forever and it's it's it's insane and people are like i'll take it i want to be famous like they'll do whatever they can and so like if you went and did something else say if you did that and the reality show takes off and does well but or or doesn't do well and then gets canceled and then you wind up doing

something else and that becomes they still own you they still the first guy still owns you i got the contract over there you need to look at it well you need to get a lawyer to look at it it's it's it's a tricky business this world of TV, and they look at people as commodities, and they look at reality as being flexible. So their version of reality is not really reality. I mean, they're calling it reality shows, but a lot of what you're dealing with is these people that were involved in fiction. They were involved in sitcoms or dramas or what have you, and they're producing reality TV now. So they engineer it. It's all fake. They have fake setups, fake scenarios. I had a problem with the show that I did for SyFy where an editor put a fake scene in.

They took a video, they added sound to the video, and they said that a listener or a podcast listener had sent this video in. Total lie. Complete fabrication. I found out about it, and I went fucking crazy. I had a shit fit. I couldn't believe they'd, because especially my show was all about trying to find the truth. It was about Joe Rogan questions everything, except this fake fucking video, apparently.

But it's standard. That's what they've always done. They do it because they think it makes a better they they call it creative license right they think it makes a better show it doesn't make a better show they don't have to do it they just they need to follow cameron haynes the bow and arrow hunting for elk yeah what would we call it i don't know don't let's do it off the air someone fucking steal our idea Off the air we'll come up with a way to do it with you You gotta be careful though man

Don't get in bed with the wrong cats Because This is a sneaky town And they know Oh look at this nice guy from Oregon He's a sweetheart Probably tells the truth all the time Poor bastard

He's probably honest Out there hunting and everything No no no go hunt We got you contracts the truth all the time. Poor bastard. He's probably honest. We'll eat him alive. Yeah, out there hunting and everything. No, no, no, go hunt. We got you contracts, whatever, whatever. Don't worry about all that. Yeah. We'll take care of you.

We'll take care of you. I think that'd be a great show. I've said that about Steve Rinella's show, too. Steve Rinella's show, in my opinion, is the best hunting show on television. Meat Eaters are a great show. And it's a great show not just because it's a hunting show. It's a great, quote unquote, reality show. But it is a great show not just because it's a hunting show. It's a great You know quote-unquote reality show but it is a real reality show like he got charged by a grizzly last night the episode that I

Watched like they were in the woods and they were they were actually bear hunting and a grizzly mother with her Cap no, what do we call them? Oh Cubs Cubs charged her. Cubs charged her and charged them. And it was fucking crazy. You see this giant grizzly running through the bush at them. It's like, whoa. Yeah, that's intense. And the narration, you know, Steve is a really well-read guy. He's very intelligent and articulate, so it's fascinating. He's an introspective guy, too, because the way he looks at these scenarios and life itself is really interesting. And him just talking about grizzly bears and talking about, you know,

it becomes an interesting show outside of the fact that it's a hunting show. Yeah, yeah. You could have a good show even where the kill is secondary. This is it right here. Back it up so you can see it before she runs at them, because it's kind of fascinating. She was like circling around towards them and they started getting nervous So were they were they grizzly hunting? Oh, yeah. Yeah, but they didn't want the female obviously

Yeah, they're trying to spook her. Callahan is shooting out in front of her. And she doesn't care at all. And meanwhile, these three cubs are behind her like, what's going on? What's up, man? What's going on? I will shoot. I'm going to kill this sow. And she spun.

Peels off, spins away, and Callahan says, I'll never forget it. I want to give him a t-shirt with him and his mustache. And he says, smell us now, lady. Smell us now, lady lady that's the sentence that comes to callahan's mind the minute a grizzly bear changes his mind decides not to maul him what he's referring to is as she cuts she gets in the wind like a downwind direction you know and so ryan's saying like now the wind will carry my order to realize that we're people

and we shouldn't be messed with and so so what he yells is, smell us now, lady. Which became kind of our, it's like the meaty derailing cry now. Seems like she would have known from the rifles going off too. Well, yeah. Well, she heard it as she was running. She was probably breathing and growling and everything. She probably didn't know exactly what it was until it was too late. Yeah.

They get pretty tunnel vision about protecting. I think these shows, there's an element of reality in a good hunting show that would be fascinating on regular television. And these shows, a lot of them, they're on the Sportsman's Channel, the Outdoors Network, or, you know, these, these, these, what channel is your show on? Outdoor Channel.

Yeah, Outdoor Channel. And so these channels, like, a lot of people don't go to that area. Like for me, it's like 600, 605, 604, 606 on DirecTV. And a lot of folks don't go to that area unless they're looking for Mexican porn. That's like a few channels up. That's 606, isn't it? That's 618 or something. Well, there's, you know, some Fox Sports.

There's Fox Sports 2 or something like that. It's up there as well. One of those. Some sports channels are up in that area too. But it's just a weird area of the dial. And I think it's unfortunate. I think that's the untapped area. I don't want to say this for Hollywood because these same fuckheads who make fake scenarios are going to come in and ruin it. But a show like Meat Eater or a show following you around elk hunting with a bow, there's so much drama and reality in that without having to add bullshit.

Yeah. You know, and someone's got to do something like that. I mean, Meat Eater does, but someone else could do it too, where you make a pledge. Like, there's going to be no lying. There's going to be no fake shit. This is all real. Real. And it's great. Yeah. Real emotion. Real providing. pledge like there's gonna be no lying there's gonna be no fake shit this is all real real and it's great yeah you know emotion real real providing yeah and you know i've had that pitch

to me recently about just showing because just like the the train not only the training for the hunt but the um camaraderie getting out there like the challenges i do for my bow giving back yeah you know, just that is all part of the story. And yeah, we're killing an animal at the end, hopefully, maybe not, you know, because a lot of hunts end with no kill, but just the whole journey, you know, and it seems like it would make good TV, but. Steve shows a lot of hunts that have no kills. I like that. I like that he keeps it real like that. I hate that expression, though, keep it real.

God, that expression's beaten up. That is a beaten up expression. But, you know, having that ethic, because, you know, he had a mountain lion hunt. They didn't even see a mountain lion. They went for nine days, didn't see one. He had a recent elk hunt, saw a bunch of elk, never got close enough to get a shot at one. And, you know, I think that's important, man. I think it's important to show people that this is, it's called hunting. It's not called shooting. Right. You know, here we're going to shoot

animals today. Come on, watch us. People think that you drive out in a truck and drinking beer or whatever you do and just see something and just shoot at it. No, and drinking beer or whatever you do and just see something and just shoot at it. No, that's definitely not my hunting. Well, that is the problem that the public opinion of hunting faces is the ignorance. Well, Hollywood helps that too. Does it? Yeah. Like the scene in Wolverine, is that what you mean?

Yeah, right. So, I mean, they're showing supposedly hunters out there. They shoot this, I think it's actually Wolverine, as he was an animal, but shoot him with a poison pot arrow, which I don't even, I've never even seen a poison pot arrow. So, has poison on the arrow, shoots him. He turns back into Hugh Jackman or whatever, and then he goes and he wants to. What? Are you serious? I think you misread it.

It was a bear. Oh, was it? He found the bear. Oh, was that what it was? Yeah, he didn't turn into a bear. No. Well, I thought it was. You're confusing the shit out of people, man.

Okay. So. How high were you when you were watching this, man? No, I was on a plane, actually. Oh, okay. So I was probably in and out of sleeping. But the point was is they got this arrow out of the bear, I guess, and he found the hunters. They were at the bar.

And they're drinking at the bar, and he went in there and shoved the poison arrow through the leader's hand. So it's just showing hunters as the bad people. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's just like that doesn't help anybody. I've never been to a bar after hunting and definitely never used poison arrows. It's just like, it's perpetuating that stereotype. Well, yeah.

And not only that, the way you shoot it, the poison wouldn't even get to him. Blow right through him. Poison being the arrow on the other side of town. Yeah, right. It's not even an effective way to transmit poison. You know, you got to get into the bloodstream. Yeah. You know, when you're shooting a missile through a bear's body, it doesn't work that way.

Yeah. That is, you know, look, these are Hollywood stereotypes, these classic black hat villains. It's just so easy to do. It's just lazy. Yeah. That's all it is. But so, I mean, yeah, I think people just have the wrong idea. And so having a show that would show that, you know, success on elk with a bow is around 10%. So it's like 90% of the guys out there pursuing elk with the bone arrow are failing. And it's, it's not guaranteed. It is really tough showing that struggle. And that's why, I mean, that's one of the reasons why I train the way I do. I don't want to be in that 90%. You know, my goal is to be successful every single year. So if you do what the average guy does, you're going to fail nine times out of 10. If you do more than the average, if you do more than anybody else or the standard, then maybe

you'll have more success. And so as it is, I kill my bull every single year. And it's just, I think it's not because I'm any better. It's because I just work harder preparing. So. Well, you've become better through hard work. Right. You've become better with knowledge. You've become better with training, with fitness, with preparation, with arrow shooting. You shoot arrows every day, right? Yep. Yep. So it's just, you know, and that's, but if people could see how difficult it really is and see that, you know, like we did film in Australia where we have no food, we have no water, it's 120 degrees. Drinking piss. Drinking piss that I think, you know, that would make compelling TV because they're like, wow, this is a lot different than I saw in the Wolverine movie.

Like, wow, this is a lot different than I saw in the Wolverine movie. And I don't know. I think it would be important to get out there because hunters are the number one conservationists there are in sharing that story. Yeah, I agree. And some people find that contradictory. It's like I had a conversation with someone. We were talking about people and i was saying well okay if you if you could only you know if you only hunted like one person a year but the rest of the people you made sure you fed them and you took care of them they got great education and took care of their environment made sure the streets are clean

would it be okay to go out and hunt one person right you know people were like fuck no and so like when you apply that to animal hunting it's for a lot of people that's sort of the same sort of feeling they have but what they don't understand is as the apex predator people don't like to think of as us as the apex predator especially if you're a vegetarian or if you're an animal rights lover. But there's a war going on between all life forms on this planet. We are just so far ahead of the other animals that we forgot it's a war. And we forgot that we have these POW camps in our cities. We call them zoos. Okay.

And that's what that is. Those are prisoner of war camps. That's what we dominate this planet. And the reason why you can get out of this office and go walk down the street and not worry about getting mauled is because we paved this motherfucker and we killed everything that can kill us and we made sure that anything that comes in, we call

the cops and they send helicopters and they fucking circle the area with a flashlight until they find that cat and then they tranquilize it and they get the fuck out of here. This is our domain. And you don't like to think it's our domain because you don't have to do any of the work. Right.

But the reality comes into you full force. If you're alone in Idaho with a bow and arrow, and you get circled by a bunch of howling beasts, and they're trying to take the elk away from you. Yeah, it comes real clear then. Fuck yeah, it does. We are the apex predators. Whether you're a predator or not.

The human animal is the apex predator. And as that, we have to be the stewards of the land. We have to manage this whole situation. And that includes managing predators. It includes managing game animals. It includes the whole kitten caboodle. And that's what hunters are. That's what hunters' dollars do.

whole kitten caboodle. And that's what hunters are. That's what hunters dollars do is they, they put that hundreds of the grassroots out there, feet on the ground, making it happen. And if you don't do that, you know what the other option is? You got to pay someone to go kill these animals, which is even more ridiculous because then you have to take taxpayer money away to go take animals that are made out of food and you got to kill them. Like these are animals that are made out of food and you got to kill them like these are animals that people could have paid to go kill and then enjoyed the food themselves now you got to hire like what they're doing the hamptons have you heard about that in new york they have oh deer massive deer population so they're hiring snipers they're trying to figure out what to do they might spend money on ready for this strap in birth control for Birth control for deer. They're talking about

spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to give deer food with birth control in it to keep them from breathing. They're made out of food. Yeah, there's plenty of people who would like to go and help them control those animals and pay to do it. Well, the problem is that it's an urban area. Right. And it's become

they've let it get so out of control that the surrounding areas you know where you would have a safe area where you can hunt especially bow hunt you can't do it so it's so crazy like they're gonna have to hire snipers they're gonna they're gonna have to figure out a way to i mean you don't want hunters roaming around the hamptons right especially i mean i wouldn't mind you doing it but you know what I'm saying? Like the average Yahoo, the average dude, you know, you find out he can go hunting in the Hamptons and you know, I don't know, man. I mean, I think you should have to have like a black belt in hunting to go hunting in the Hamptons. Yeah. I hear you. Even then, I don't know if I'd be

really cool with you hunting near a playground. No. You know, your arrow misses the mark and goes flying into some kid on a slide. My arrow what? Not yours. Right. Okay. You know? Your arrow misses the mark and goes flying into some kid on a slide. Wait, my arrow what? Not yours. Right, okay. You meaning that other guy out there that doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Not you. I missed once. But it's, I bet you did.

But it's, that's a, that's the reality of the situation is that we're the ones, as the intelligent creatures that can communicate, we're the ones who have made an assessment. intelligent creatures that can communicate. We're the ones who have made an assessment. We've made a detailed analysis of all the different animals and the numbers, and we monitor them on a yearly basis. And folks who don't know, they don't appreciate that. I wasn't a hunter when I was young and I didn't understand hunting. And I thought there was something fucked up about it. I would say, why would anybody want to kill a deer, man? Deer are beautiful. I was a fisherman. I used to go fishing, but that's where it ended for me because i can't relate to a fish fishing for me is like tricking aliens like they live in this water world that i can't even see in i throw

something in there i pull it out and eat it like i can't relate to them right you know they're running around breathing water like i can eat you i got no you don't even take care of their young they're just like you're you're on your own get the fuck out of here like it's it was a different thing for me so i can relate to people that can't relate to hunters yeah that uh and i don't know i i think getting down there to the bow shop and even just like you said shooting a bow you don't necessarily have to be a hunter but if you can listen to a hunter and kind of listen to their stories and listen to it you don't i mean you don't have to go kill but a lot of guys learn a lot of good life lessons out in the mounds and maybe you can pick up on that i like hanging out at the you know the the

shop that set up your bow yesterday uh or not yesterday day before i think was is the bow rack in springfield, Oregon. And it's like a bar with no alcohol as far as listening to stories. It's awesome. Sure. I love sitting on the stool, picking things up from other guys and just hearing stories.

And you don't have to be a hunter to enjoy that and enjoy firing a few arrows. It's soothing. Well, people that participate in the same sort of discipline, they enjoy that camaraderie together. They understand each other in a way that maybe other folks don't. You get that from jujitsu gym. You get that from a kickboxing gym. You get that from a CrossFit studio. You get that from anything that you do where the people can sort of relate to this unusual activity that you partake in. uh i think that that's that's something about archery you know when you go like i the the place

that i went to the archery outpost in los alamitos there's a bunch of people around there talking about the oh have you seen the new hoyt you know they got a new cam on the matthews and this has got oh they got a the bowtech insanity 355 feet per second and blah, blah, blah. All that shop talk. A lot of people are missing that sort of camaraderie in their everyday life because most days from 9 to 5, you don't get to talk about what you want to talk about. You have to talk about what you're getting paid to talk about.

You've got to talk about what your job entails. For most people, they're trapped, trapped in this world. Like, you know, unfortunately, you said you are on some days. I didn't say that. Get this reality show, brother. Get cracking. You'll be right up there with that fat moon pie face guy on TV. Sounds good.

No ducks, though. Just elk. Yeah. Bugling elk and arrows. And bears and cool stuff. Cool stuff. Yeah. Mountains. Yeah. Dude. Listen, man, this has been a really fun podcast. And bears and cool stuff. Cool stuff. Yeah. Mountains.

Yeah. Dude. Listen, man, this has been a really fun podcast. I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for having me. We've got to do this again. Yeah, definitely. For sure.

Thank you. And keep me posted on this reality show and keep us posted. And if it actually does come off, we will promote the hell out of it, man. Promise. All right. Appreciate it. Absolutely. So if anybody wants to find Cameron online, it's Cameron Haynes on Twitter, but he don't use that.

So you've got to find him on Facebook. He uses Facebook, but Facebook goes straight to Twitter. Yeah. It's one of those. You don't even know your Twitter password, do you? It's somehow magic, yeah. Somehow a magic connection. I had my buddy Colin set that up for me.

Well, they could probably reset it. I'm sure they can reset it for you. Yeah. But you should get on Twitter too, man. Twitter, Twitter is a, it's a great resource. I'm on Instagram also. Oh yeah, that's right. And great photos on Instagram, by the way, you put a lot of cool stuff on Instagram. Very inspirational. You're an inspirational guy. I love your story. I love your, the, your ethic. I love what your, the, the philosophy that you take in this life. And I really, really truly believe what I said that

what you do is inspirational and it creates action. That inspiration, it makes people do things. It gives them the energy and the enthusiasm to go out and accomplish things on their own. And I think that's what life is all about, really. We're all in this together. And I think that we all benefit from each other and we benefit from We're all in this together. And I think that we all benefit from each other. We benefit from fine examples of other human beings. And I think you're an excellent example of a human being. And it's an honor to meet you, sir. Thanks for having me, Joe.

Thanks. And let us know. And you're doing a show on the Outdoor Channel. What is it? Well, I've been on Team Elk. Team Elk? That's where I've been appearing. But I've had a number of people approach me about doing my own show and so just trying to get that hammered out

and in addition to these reality shows that want some the hardcore hunter character that um so we'll see what happens probably nothing will happen no no no something will happen don't say nothing if you want something to happen it'll happen okay we're gonna we're gonna help you make it happen man for. For sure. Definitely. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow with Aubrey Marcus. I want to thank Stamps.com for sponsoring this podcast. Go to Stamps.com and use the code JRE to get your $110 bonus offer.

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