The Joe Rogan Experience - #456 - Everlast

Episode Date: February 17, 2014

Everlast is an American singer-songwriter known for hits such as "What It's Like" and "Put Your Lights On" and was a founding member of House of Pain.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. I always threatened to move the fuck out of L.A., but the problem is I know too many cool motherfuckers that live in L.A. I moved out of L.A. I still make it work. Yeah, but you do, but you don't. I mean, you could drive here.

Yeah. It's not far. I mean, I don't live here either. But the thing about living in Southern California. We live in the greater L.A. area. Yeah. The Southern California area is that you and I can exchange text messages. Hey, what are you doing, man?

What are you doing Tuesday? Let's do it. What's on Monday? Boom. You come in, and that's it. It's on. It's on. It all came.

Somebody on Twitter was like, when are you going to be back on? I was like, you know what, Joe? I'm about to leave town. What's up? Well, you just got back, right? Were you on the road for a while? Yeah, I've been back. I've spent Christmas with the fam and been home pretty much since.

A little spot date here and there. I leave for Australia Saturday. Australia. Go there for a couple weeks. You can find all them dates on the Twitter. Where are you stopping? Where are you going first? We go a couple nights in Sydney, and then we move on to Brisbane, Melbourne, a few other

places, and then we wind up in Sydney Brisbane, Melbourne, a few other places. And then we wind up in Sydney again. I got a couple like multiple night gigs in a few towns. Wow. I got to get out there and do that again. It's the acoustic stuff. You know, more Rogan, you know, Aftershocks. All that kind of, I was just telling my boy today, man.

It's like, again, I know I've said it on here before, but I never did the acoustic thing as like, other than going in a radio station and promoting a record. Okay, we'll come to an acoustic version. Right. When I started doing it here is when it like, you know what, this could be an interesting show. This could be an interesting time for me and the audience. And that's all I've been doing for the last year and a half. It's just a different vibe.

It's a cool vibe. There's something about acoustic. Shows off the songs, too, for me. You know what I mean? A lot better. Well, more is not always better you know more shit in the background more drums more sometimes a song could be insanely profound with just a little bit of guitar and a voice you know damn joe you want to produce my next record ah man i'll just promote dude i'll help you on here all right

i'll just because i love that's a beautiful thought but you know what i mean i think that there's a lot you know like You ever listen to a song And you go Well they didn't need That electronic bullshit In the background This song could have been fine Without all that stuff

Occasionally I mean I don't really listen to A lot of new music anymore Unless it gets somewhere Where it pops on my radar You know what I mean Like I don't dig for like What's new

What's happening Mostly what I listen to is old So it's harder to look through That old classic stuff and be like, they shouldn't have done that. I watch it. Occasionally I'll hear something on the radio and be like, man, that's a really good song.

I wish they wouldn't have done this part or something. You know what I mean? But you know what? There's some albums that have, they're so intricate and there's so much going on, but yet it's perfect. Like Zeppelin. Think of like Zeppelin 3. Think of like Whole Lotta Love.

Think of like that song. Yeah, I mean, and it really isn't that much going on, though, as you think. I mean, they only had 16 tracks. Well, they have a whole two minutes of fuck sounds. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, you mean like going over the top, which is craziness.

Yeah, with cymbals in the background. I mean, they added a bunch of stuff to their music. But yeah, I see what you're saying, like as far as the actual song. They actually did all that, though, you know what I mean, they added a bunch of stuff to their music. But yeah, I see what you're saying, as far as the actual song. They actually did all that, though. You know what I mean? And they replicated it. Sometimes I think cats overproduce their records to the point where they can't recreate them.

You know, like I'm a huge Chris Cornell fan. Like, you know, Soundgarden and Chris Cornell. Right. Occasionally he would make a record and he'd make it so beautiful with the voices and all the extra production of singing on top of his voice and compliments. Nobody could sound like him so it's hard for you to go out and emulate your voice.

Yeah, it got real confusing. And the production you did. When it's raw, it's amazing. But sometimes, I remember especially that one Supernova record with Black Hole Sun. They were beautiful songs, but live, it was like you missed a lot of that extra pump

and circumstance of the song. You know what I mean? So it's just sometimes I think that's what when you, and especially when I'm making a record, that's like when do you stop? That's really kind of, and the acoustic stuff eliminates all that. I wrote the songs acoustically, so it was just like, do them how you wrote them.

So there's that line of when you go too far. It's like that line, and there's that movie with Will Smith, his first movie, where the guy had the paintings and stuff, and he had this dream about all the kids making these beautiful, masterful paintings, and he asked the teacher,

how do you teach them? They're all painting Rembrandts and Matisses and this. And she said, I just know when to take them away from them. You know what I mean? And that's kind of what a producer is in the music studio. It's like knowing what's not there sometimes, but always knowing when to stop. Oh, no, this is done. That's finished.

Or we need to take some of that away, and there it is kind of thing. Yeah, I would think that that would get real tricky, man. I would think that would get real tricky, especially when there's more than one vision. Like you've got a producer who comes in, and they have an idea, and you have an idea, and maybe the guitarist has an idea, and this guy has an idea. Well, luckily I'm the only writer and stuff in my stuff most of the time.

I mean, I cast that right with me occasionally, but they're my songs, and I'm doing them. But for me, a producer's always been an adversarial relationship. It has to be. Oh, really? It has to be for me. Really? I want a producer, because I didn't have one on the last record because I finally am to

the point where I can challenge myself. I always needed that guy where I was, oh, that's good enough. No, it's not. And now it's like I got to that point where it's like I can tell myself when it's not good enough and keep going. Like I'll do the 20 takes instead of five. I'll do the, you know what I mean? I've gotten that formula, but that was always what a producer did for me from when it was started with, you know, my first producer, a guy named Bilal Bashir, it was always kind of like, that wasn't good enough. That was the guy there in the room to make you better. You know what I mean? And for me, the only way you probably got that result out of me was kind of to challenge me or charge me up a little bit.

You know what I mean? You suck. That's interesting. Like Muggs used to be the straight guy to like punch under the butt, stop you while you're doing it, punch the butt, and be like, yo, that really sucks, man. Do it again. And you'd just be like sitting there like, wow, man. All right, cool. All right.

And you shake it off and you do it again. But it toughens you up in the studio, which you need to be in the studio. You can't be some, you know, the best things always happen. If you get through a whole record and nobody's challenged your ideas, you didn't make the best record you could make. Right. You know what I mean? It's like if you go and work out and you don't have that buddy there

that pushes you to do those extra two, you know you're going to walk away and you might not have done as many as you could have. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? I think there's a parallel with comedy, too. I'm sure there is. Yeah. It's the audience, though, is that other guy.

You need that audience. If the audience isn't there, you could write a bunch of shit and go, this stuff is, this is the bomb. This bit's the bomb. I mean, you could do that. And you could even practice it. But you shape it in front of an audience. Yeah.

You take it out and you, oh, that part, it's there, but it's like, I got to shave the end off do that. And you could even practice it. But you shape it in front of an audience. Yeah. You take it out and you, oh, that part, it's there, but it's like I got to shave the end off of that. The audience is almost your producer a little bit. They are a producer. Because you go on stage. You can go on stage. I've seen you do a new song that you just recently did, and it's already really great. It's already there. That's not possible with comedy.

It's already there. That's not possible with comedy. It's not possible. There'll be sparks and then there'll be dead spots and then it all needs to be worked out. Like every bit I've ever done has at least a dead spot somewhere that I have to chop out. Like you find these areas where they don't get enough blood, like it is when you cut it out and you pull it away and throw it away. I feel like with music, though, you could do a way,

pull it away and throw it away i feel i feel like with music though if you could do a way you could your music is like more of a representation of you like it's all like very little but comedy has like influence and influence not just like of other comics but i mean influence of the audience like knowing that they have a different sense of humor than you or that they have a different mind you have to introduce the ideas to them it's like uh it's without them like you you really it's it's a combination of you and them it really is you could do a whole song by yourself it's like when i hear your songs they're they're everlast songs you know what i mean like i hear you knowing you as a person i hear you through your songs that's a fascinating aspect of it man it's like yeah but at the same

time what you're hoping for when you write that song is what i like to call what i like to shoot for is what i call the highest common denominator you know and not the lowest common denominator like the thing that we're all gonna sit and go like god damn man me too how the fuck did he know that about me had no way did how could he him whoa man me too that's really what you're going for when you write a song when you write a joke you're making they're laughing because they all have thought that same fucked up thought or funny thought or something too and like they just now they're in on the club and you're all in together you know what i mean it's the same thing it's just i have to do all that editing and those dead spots i have to find them myself i don't i don't really have the benefit of like

going to like down the block and and there probably is a place i could do it but it just aesthetically doesn't work quite the same right like here let me deliver this song and get some feedback it's different a joke is like about a laugh or an energy in the room right at that moment and if you didn't get it you're not there there. And, you know, a song, I can build into it. And I can know. For me, it's can I make myself cry or can I impress myself with what's going on? And can I sit through it? Right, right.

If I could sit through it, because I got a short attention span, man. You know what I mean? And if it can keep my attention long enough, then it's quality to me. Well, and feedback, too, is very different from music than it is for comedy. Because with comedy, they say it's quality to me well and feedback too is very different for music than it is for comedy because with comedy they say it's not funny like that's sort of it's funny or it's not funny but with music it's like you could like i could think something is fucking terrible but it's somebody else's favorite shit ever like to them they're like oh like hits their soul and i can be like oh fucking christ i guess that exists with comedy too

but the word the way people describe it's always funny or not funny like oh that wasn't funny that wasn't funny like i thought it was hilarious no that wasn't funny but would someone come up to you and describe your shit like to tell you what they like and don't like about your song it's like that's completely a matter of taste like you can't even say funny or not funny. It's totally subjective taste. Completely. So you can't get feedback

from anybody else. Wow. Some heavy metal guy just doesn't want to hear it. Yeah, can you imagine some fucking Pantera Jude

just fucking tears coming up to you. Bro, you need to fucking bang. I know you can bang. I know you can headbang. The weirdest thing though is man,

the audience I have is so bizarre because that guy will be there. There will be a guy there, a Pantera guy. There will be a guy there. Last summer, I did an acoustic run, and I wound up doing a few festivals. I show up at one, and I shit you not, Joe Rogan, it's called Devil Slide or Devil Side, Devil Side Festival. It is nothing but the hardest, like, I'm sitting backstage with me and Brian,

the guy who came with me last time, keyboard player, and we're like, what the fuck, man? Why am I here? I don't even fucking get it, man. We're like freaking out. We're like, yo, they're going to fucking kill us, man. They're going? Just why am I here? I don't even fucking get it, man. We're like freaking out. We're like, yo, they're going to fucking kill us, man. They're going to kill us. I call my manager. I'm cursing him to high fucking heaven, dude.

Like, you motherfucker. You don't even look where you're booking me, do you? You just see a check number and you take it. You don't even ask where. You just say, yeah, we'll do it, huh? I was like, listen to where I am. And I'm putting the phone up. And it's like.

And it's band after band of it, man. I'm, I'm actually get to the point where it's like, I just started embracing that funniness of it. And I told the promoters, all right, there's some things missing from my rider.

And they're like, what? I'm like, I need a satanic Bible and a bucket of goat's blood right now. I was like, we need to make a sacrifice before we go out there. Cause we about to get killed. And it was,

it was the craziest shit. So, uh, I fucking, I tell tell my boy and it wasn't brian actually it was my boy derrick we were both playing two guitars so uh we go i go and i just tell him when we go out there i was like first thing to get thrown first anything we're fucking up i'm out of there and they're fucking if someone jumps on stage you just hit him with the guitar man it's like dead ass i'm saying this dead seriously like right we're about to get killed So this band that went on before us It was like the bread that gets buttered

With bread or something That's literally some crazy name like that The bread that gets buttered Or the butter on the bread or something like that And it was the most hardest, craziest sound That ends It ends And this is the middle of the day by the way That ends. It ends.

And the lights. And this is the middle of the day, by the way, too. This is like 4 o'clock, maybe 5 o'clock. We're like, oh, man. Jesus. The whole house clears. So, like, all of a sudden, I'm having a little bit of hope. Like, okay, maybe nobody will just be in here for our set.

Maybe they all just were like, that? No, we're going to go get a beer. So, they're changing over the set, and it comes our turn, and I'm like, the crowd starts coming back in. And I'm like, oh, man, this is going to be ugly. Go out there, and we start playing our guitars. And next thing I know, I see all of these Pantera and Crazy Metal dudes, and they got chicks with them now.

It's not a pit. There's not a pit. There's not a pit. There's not a pit. There's all these dudes with their broads, and they're holding their broads, and they're listening. And it goes over like fucking gangbusters. That's amazing. I was like, and we literally got off stage.

We didn't say words to each other. We got in our van. We didn't even set up merch at this place because we were like, nobody cares we're here. We sold like probably a box of merch just out the back of the van with people catching us because we were just, and me and Derek were sitting in the back of the van just like, did that just happen, man? That was one of the craziest gigs I've ever done in my life. That's fascinating that they just changed gears like that for you. And it was no other thing like that.

I was just blown away about how it went. And the way it went over, I was like, wow, dude, that was crazy. They really dug it. That's a cool story. That must have been a cool experience. Yeah. So my audience is crazy. It'll be an old lady.

There'll be kids. There'll be the House of Pain, roughneck, hooligan guys still hanging on for that to come back. You still do an acoustic version of Jump Around? If the energy's in the air, yeah. So the audience, I mean, that's got to be something they ask for, right?

They don't have to ask for it. They have to deserve it. You must have loved it when Marcus Davis used to come out to that shit. Oh, yeah. God damn, that's a great... I think Dana, though, told me

he kind of pushed that into position. Oh, really? Not that dude resisted. I think he had that... You know, he had the two things, like the beginning of that movie of that movie the boon uh boondock saints yeah that was like the intro of his thing and then and then like i think that was just his intro and then danis you should put in jump i believe that's

either that or in a drunken party mode dan took credit for it i think it probably was quite honestly i think it was dan because i know he keeps people from changing the songs. Like, he wants, like, Uriah Faber comes out to California Love every time. Yeah, yeah. You know, and he wants to keep it that way. Like, going back to Cali, he tried to come back to Cali once with LL Cool J. And Dana was like, no fucking way. You got to go with California Love. People expect that.

It is true. Like, I feel Uriah because I feel like a fighter should be able to change his walking music. But when I hear California love. You know what's happening. It's branding. There's something pretty badass about that. But a guy should be able to change his shit up. There's a couple guys, when they let those Brazilian

like Vandal Lake. Come on, dude. Come on, dude. We got to change up that music. That's that pride music, though. I hear you, but that pride, that electronica. I'm like, whoa. I don't like it. I don't like it. My favorite all time is Matthews. Who was the Asian dude that used to come out in dresses and shit in Pride?

Oh, well, there's a guy who used to come out in crazy dresses in K-1, the kickboxer dude. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. He was in UFC also, though, but he didn't come out. Oh, I know who you're talking about. You're talking about Gono.

Gono, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gono used to... That was some wild shit. Yeah, he used to dress up in a bunch of crazy... Well, there's been a bunch of different guys from Japan

that dressed up in wild ways to try to get people's attention. I wish that the UFC let them do that. Greatest walk-in music, though, in my opinion, is Matt Hughes. Country Boy Can't Survive. That was his song, yeah.

For him, I mean, it's the perfect song. For him, it's the perfect song. And there was just something about his stoic demeanor as he walked towards the cage that that song would come on. That's a good one.

That's a good one. That's a good one. But one time, I think Randy Couture came out to Jimi Hendrix doing a Star Spangled Banner that might have been the all-time greatest you know Captain America comes out to Hendrix doing the Star Spangled Banner it was one of those yeah there's been what would your song be Joe if you had to choose

Christina Aguilera beautiful that's what I was gonna come out to if I fought Wesley Snipes I'm not kidding you were gonna fight Wesley Sn that's who I was going to come out to if I fought Wesley Snipes. I'm not kidding. You were going to fight Wesley Snipes? Yeah, yeah. I was going to come out to, it's Christina Aguilera. You used to have that as your ring, remember when you had that as your ring title? It was there the same time. Look, I wouldn't want to come out to some badass. How long ago was this?

It was a few years back now. Before he went to jail. Before he went to jail? Yeah, there was this promoter who may be on Wednesday. We're seeing if we can work him out on the podcast on Wednesday. He was the guy who originally started the UFC. His name is Campbell McLaren. And he is the guy who hired me to do the post-fight interviews of the, like in 1997, when I first started working for them.

And Campbell called me up one day, told me that he had a proposition for me. And he asked me if I wanted to fight Wesley Snipes on pay-per-view. And they offered me a crazy amount of money, and I said, fuck yeah. So it wasn't a beef or anything? It was just you were going to fight? Not at all. That's awesome. If I could get away with not hurting him, I would not hurt him.

I'd just grab ahold of him and strangle him. That was the plan. The plan was to get the clinch. Did he have any arts? Yeah, he's definitely really good at karate. He's definitely a really good kickboxer. But as far as I know, he didn't have any competition experience in his life. I don't think he ever fought.

Probably could fight. I mean, he might have kicked my ass. Who knows? So it didn't come to fruition. No, he needed a lot of money for taxes. He was in a lot of trouble. There was never like bad feelings. When he watched a couple YouTube videos that you just tapped the cats out.

I'm sure that didn't help. Or maybe he rolled with somebody. If you've never rolled with somebody, like back then I was a brown belt, but the difference between someone who's been doing jiu-jitsu for 10 years and someone who just tries it out for the first time, it feels like such an insurmountable chasm that if he did just start it, he'd be like, oh, fuck this. This is ridiculous.

You can't just do it. And there's guys, I mean, I've been doing it for 15 years. There's guys that I roll with still to this day that just fucking strangle me, just run right through me, ragdoll you. And you realize, if I had to fight one of these guys, you're fucked. Like, there's certain guys you're not going to be able to hold off. And if you're a guy who's in his 40s and you just learned to jujitsu like I think Wesley was, that's, you know, you don't want to do that. I was talking to you about that earlier. I was like, I ain't going to lie to myself.

I know who can kick my ass and who can't. You've got a healthy mind. You've got to have a healthy mind. People get crazy. I can't tell you how many people have tried to convince me that they're different. Some dudes that have this, they have this talk about their mentality. You know, they talk about their mindset. They want to, to like mad dog you and tell you how much different there are one dude i talked to this dude for over an hour it was in in belfast northern ireland and this motherfucker

all i understand that he said was i'll fight any man that's the only words i understood how the fuck in chocoladelle you think I'm afraid of chocolate ale? I'll fight any man I'll tell you what There's no quitting me And he was just going on and on and on In this barely understandable Like every three or four words

You'd be absolutely sure what he said Every other word was just subject to guesswork It's tough You had to calculate What could he have meant there? What the fuck is that? And then while you're calculating, he's on to the next thing. I'll find anyone. Because they're fucking

talking fast. Fucking chocolate. Things are going to get in front of me. I've got a pipe in my hand. You think I want to take some fucking shit from him? And they think that they have it all in their head. I think I met that guy, dude. They think they got it all in their head. In their head, they're just different. In their head, they're just so strong. They so in that determined different too is that too you don't

know chuck liddell would put his fucking knuckles through your soul he will literally hit you in a way when he's nice is scary yeah he's always scary you know i mean i've hung out with him many times like and just been like man any minute you you if you wanted to, you could just beat up anybody in this room. I watched that guy during his prime from like 10 feet away fight the baddest motherfuckers in the UFC. Those were some, because that dude, like, I do not think that Chuck Liddell is the greatest fighter of all time. I think he's one of the all-time greats for sure. But for me, he was always the most exciting. No one was more exciting.

Every fight was chaos. Every fight was Chuck Liddell wading forward and just throwing missiles. And sometimes he lost, and sometimes he won. But that motherfucker went out on his shield to his very last fight. He died by his sword. His last fight against Rich Franklin. He got knocked out because he was coming after Franklin because he thought he had him hurt.

He just couldn't back off. He couldn't back off. He was just so crazy. And so people tell me, I don't fucking care. He's never met me. He's never met me. He doesn't know what I've fucking gone through in my life. I'll tell you what, I'll fucking fight any man.

I'll fight any man. I swear I met that guy. They'll put him in front of me. But for me, they want to convince me. And I'm like, okay, I'll tell you what. I'll fucking fight any man. I'll fight any man. Any man. I swear I met that guy. You'll put him in front of me. But for me, they want to convince me. And I'm like, okay. I'll believe you. Is he looking for a shot? No.

He's just drunk. He's drunk and trying to convince me that he's not a victim. All you can think of is just like what would happen if that guy actually did get his fight. Okay. I'm going to give you $1,000. Will you fight him right now? How the fuck can I fight him? Come through this door.

You open the door. No one had any idea. No one told him. We're just at a bar. That would be a great reality show. A reality show that's connected to a bar, and there's a door to the bar that only opens up from the bar, and only I can open it because I have a key.

And I find the drunkest, stupidest asshole that wants to talk to me about, I'll fucking fight. I'll tell you what, bro. I'll wants to talk to me about, I'll fucking fight. I'll tell you what, bro. I'll fucking, fucking fight this fucking Cain Velasquez, dude. I so want to see this show now, dude. Yo, I've been around Mexicans, man. I know how to kick Mexicans' asses. And then they go, if I gave you $1,000 right now, you'd fight Cain Velasquez.

Fuck yeah, bitch. I ain't scaring no one. Write it down right there. I'll give you $1,000 right now. Oh, yeah, we're going to fight him. I got $1 of no one. Write it down right there. I'll give you $1,000 right now. Oh, yeah, we're going to fight him. I got $1,000 for you, dude, right now. Oh, yeah, I'll write that. Okay, come to this door.

The guy has no idea. You open up the door. There's 8,000 people in a small arena. And Cain Velasquez is sweaty and bouncing up and down in the middle of the octagon. Just start pushing the drunk guy towards the cage. What? What the fuck, man? Am I on acid?

What's going on here, man? Is this a dream, dude? Am I dead? Is this heaven? What the fuck happened, bro? I want to see that show. I'll fight any man. I'll find that guy.

It doesn't even have to be 8,000 people. It's just Cain Velasquez. It isn't even about the fight. The show is about the have to be 8,000 people. It's just Cain Velasquez. It isn't even about the fight. The show is about the reaction to that guy, seeing the guy he said he would fight in the room. It might even be darker if it was just Cain and him. Cain and him and cameraman. That's it.

Yeah. And just thunderous beatings. Thunderous beatings from a guy who never gets tired. There's some shit, like, I had War Machine on the podcast. We were talking about genetics, and War Machine was talking about how, like, there's a reality of fighting. Like, you only can get so good. You only have, like, a genetic potential. And some dudes have a genetic potential, like, to be champion, like Jon Jones or Chris Weidman or what have you.

Yes, sir. They have that genetic potential. But there's other dudes that just know they're never going to get there. No matter what they do, no matter how hard they work, they're never going to get there. They're never going to get there. And if you don't accept that shit, if you don't figure that shit out, you're going to take some beatings along the way. And a guy like me or a guy like any fucking normal person that doesn't have phenomenal genetics, you're never going to be able to keep up with that motherfucker. Cain Velasquez has a triple-sized heart or some shit and three times the size of a normal lung.

When you look at the capacity of his endurance, it's insanity. It's totally natural. According to his trainers, I'm just making up the three times the size. He's built normal but his capacity for endurance like his vo2 max is insane it's like a super triathlon like one of those ultramarathon runners or triathlon Ironman guys like that's what kind of heartbeat this guy's got as a fucking heavyweight so as a 240 pound man man, he just goes, just goes, runs down everybody. Like no one can keep up with him.

No one can keep that guy's pace. Who's he fighting next? Well, he's got shoulder surgery coming up or recovery from it coming up. He tore it somewhere during the Junior Dos Santos fight. When I talk to Bob Cook, his manager's like, he could take a month off, comes back, he's still outworking everybody. He just has crazy natural endurance. Some people just have weird advantages over other people. Yeah, that last fight was almost not fun to watch a little bit.

It was unfun to watch, yeah. almost not fun to watch a little bit. It was unfun to watch, yeah. You know, and Junior... I'm saying something, because that man's no... You know, it's not like Junior Del Santos is a mighty powerful man himself. He's a beast. To see that get done to him twice.

Yeah, in the same way. And, you know, to attribute the first one to Robdo, you know, which is what they call... There's a disease that happens when you work out too hard. Yeah, yeah. A lot of CrossFit people get it, Robdomyelosis or some shit like that. They said that he was diagnosed with that after the fight, but my take is that that could have just been the fight itself, trying to keep up with Kane.

I mean, they tested him after the fight. I mean, that was a fight for his life, that he was essentially losing for 25 minutes, and he had nothing left. The only thing that saved him in that fight was really the fact that he had one-minute breaks in between each round. Because Kane didn't need those one-minute breaks. He could just keep going.

And you can't keep up with that guy. They still got Junior listed, though, as number one, don't they? He's still number one, in my opinion. He's still number one. He knocks everybody else the fuck out. Do we want to see that fight again? I do. I do. I do.

I do. I want to give you, I think Junior Dos Santos is an undeniable champion. He's a champion. You know, he might not ever be able to beat Cain Velasquez. But I really feel like. I just don't like seeing guys that are like nice guys, especially a guy that you look at and you're like, that seems like a really nice guy.

He is a very nice guy. Like, that was life endangering, like you're saying, that beating. know i agree with you but i want to see him try to figure it out i want to see him try to figure it out look the bottom line is he knocked kane out cold in their first fight that's that's reality he hit him with a haymaker caught him dropped him finished him off that was a legit first round tko for junior no you can't say that he couldn't do that again, because he could do that again. He didn't do that again in the next two fights. But a guy like that, because he's got that crazy power,

and because he's got that mad dog fucking confidence that he has, he really believes he's the baddest motherfucker on Earth. He's just got to put his fist on your chin. I believe that now, though. That's one of the big talking points when they brought him the second time. After you take a beating like that, it's gonna leave yeah i don't think he believes it now

but i think he has another a new goal to work towards you know i don't know if he'll ever beat that guy but i want to see him try man i want to see him try up until the point where it just looks like okay we gotta we gotta stop this yeah it's crazy crazy He got so close to being stopped in that fight and kept going. He figured out a way to keep going. There was a couple times where Herb Dean was like moving in. He was moving in. You could tell he was thinking about stopping it, and then he let him go.

Just hard, man. Yeah. Hard. Couldn't pay me enough. Well, you know, they were trying to set up Junior and Alistair, but apparently Alistair Overeem's hurt his rib in his last fight. That would have been a crazy fight. I really want to see that.

That would have been good. Yeah, Junior is— I'm sure it'll happen. Yeah. Well, hopefully. You know, there's a lot of heavyweights that are coming up now, too. Travis Brown. But the thing is, the heavyweight division, it's so hard to get that good and to be that good world class in any other organization.

It's almost impossible. There's very little heavyweight competition in Bellator. There's a few pretty good guys. And other organizations, they're nonexistent. Who's this African guy I just started reading about that UFC is going to have come fight? Isn't he a heavyweight? This African heavyweight dude?

He's a new guy, right? Yeah. I just read something the other day about he's supposed to be a badass, too. Yeah. They all look like badasses until they get into the UFC, you know? Well, they were writing about him like he might be a legit. He could be, man. He could be.

I would imagine that heavyweights from Africa would probably be pretty fucking badass. In order for your genes to survive in Africa and be that big, you're that big of a person, you're dealing with a pretty spectacular specimen. I forget the name of the dude. I saw it on one of those. Not a white guy, right? I don't think so. Because there's a white guy that's some badass heavyweight from Africa.

Yeah, South African champ Ron Potts to a six-fight contract. That's a new one. Maybe that's the one I saw. He's a white dude. I believe, yeah. Yeah, he's a white dude. Bam, a white African. South African.

It's different, right? They're Dutch people, basically, right? German, Dutch. Like the Ant word. Is that Dutch? Yeah, they're South African. Right, right, right. Yeah, and they speak that kind of,

it almost sounds like they're Dutch, right? Yeah. That Afrikaan. Yeah, yeah. I think it is like a blend of Dutch and a little German. You got out that beautiful guitar, man. What is that thing called again?

Um, Oh, the company that makes it is Larrave. Larrave. Yeah. They, uh, I went up and met the guy cause I had one for years.

That was my favorite guitar. God, went up in us and met the guy, John Paul Larrave. And it's a total family operation. Like he builds necks, his sons do the bodies and his. It's a total family operation. He builds necks. His sons do the bodies. His wife does all the inlay work.

That inlay work is spectacular. They did this just for me with the shamrocks and all that. Is that abalone? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Dude. And this Brazilian rosewood, you can't even get it.

He just had a stockpile of it from years ago. They stopped. It was illegal to import it after. Really? Yeah, maybe a decade ago. I have cues made out of that shit. You can't get it anymore.

Really? Well, cues, most of the time when you get a cue that wood's like 20 years old, if a real good guy, like Gina Q or Showman or one of those guys,

they take their wood and they age it forever. You want to make sure that all the moisture's out of it. Do they do that same kind of thing when they make guitars? I'm sure, because when I went up and toured his factory,

it's just all wood. Like, he has a whole way. Like, he was like, I'm broke, because all I do is whenever I get money, I go and I buy wood. Yeah. And it's like the legacy. Like, he had a stack of this stuff. And the original one I had, it had cracked right here,

the one I bought when I found it out in the world. And I'd had it. It was my main guitar for 15 years and it cracked up here and i brought it with me up there and he was looking at it and he was like where did you get this and i was like why he's like because it's brazilian rosewood he's like i didn't make a lot of these i'm like well that's cool he's like yeah i can fix this and all that then he was touring me around his factory he got to the wood room and he's telling me about all the different kinds of woods and he got to the little area where he was telling me about all the different kinds of woods. And he got to the little area where he was like, I got 20 something sets left of this

Brazilian rosewood. He's like, and he named some, I think some, I want to say Brad Paisley or some famous like country musician like that, that he just made one for. And I was like, well, you know what? Not for nothing. That one's so old and beat up. I would love to have another, you know what I mean? And he, and he kind of just said, let's what? Not for nothing, that one's so old and beat up, I would love to have another, you know what I mean?

And he kind of just said, let's move on with the tour kind of thing and I was like, oh, shit, he ain't never going to part with that wood. You know what I mean? Because he just got done telling me how rare and hard it is and you can't even get it no more. I was like, all right, it ain't going to happen. So he takes us on the tour of the whole place and mind you, in like 97 or 98, I paid like five grand for the original guitar like in the market so you know

i went up there and uh you know and uh the whole tour ends and i once again said you know what i'm gonna be that guy i'm just gonna throw it out there one more time i'll be like yo i really would like to have one of those guitars and he's like i don't want to scare you know it's going to cost a lot of money so i'm already thinking 25 grand or something like that in my head you know and he told me a price that i was like yo can i have two i was like and he was like two and i was like yeah he was like it was like okay he made me two of them yeah two of the brazilian rosewoods and he made me two more in regular woods that i could take on the actual road like i won't take this on the road road brazilian rosewood has a very special hit to it like for a pool cue like the way the construction of the forearm is one of the most

important things about a pool cue and depending upon the wood they have a completely different hit like a maple forearm will have a way different hit than an ebony forearm you know and my friend eric who uh he has this company called sugar Tree Q's, and his Q's, I just forward you a Q. Pull this shit up, Brian. I just forwarded you this image. It's crazy we're talking about this because I'm just setting up my pool table at the new house again. Son, whenever you want to get robbed, I'll come on over and show you what's up. Oh, yeah.

We'll see if you'll drive that far. I'll drive. I'll drive. I'll drive to the pool. The pool is good. I'm actually setting up a table right here. Not only that, the pool is getting built right now. My backyard is going to be built.

I'm trying to build my backyard because, you know, with my daughter's situation and whatnot. Yeah. I want to have the kind of backyard that all her friends are always going to want to be at our house. Oh, that's cool. That's where we're going. Oh, no, we got to play over there.

Yeah. So I'm trying to build that right now. Yeah, that's cool, man. I have that kind of situation. I mean, it's going to take me a couple months to get my stick sharp again anyways, man. Mm-hmm. So. But I will do it.

I'll let you practice. I got a crazy, like, this art dude. It was this company called Alchemy. The guy who owned it, like, I think he got caught out there on drugs or something. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But, like, they only made, like, three or four of these pool tables.

It's, like, it's out of steel beams. Oh, yeah, okay. It's amazing looking. Probably plays like shit. No, it's awesome. This is, like, two good companies. Well, it's awesome. There's only two good companies. Well, there's a couple that are okay, but the real companies for pool tables are Diamond and Brunswick.

And I think they had all the slates and stuff. See that wood? Yeah, that's beautiful. There's some other images that this guy, his cues. For him, what I was going to say it's like there it's about harmonics like he says that the way a cue hits is it was probably very similar he said i don't make instruments musical instruments but i would imagine that every type of wood has a different sort of harmonic look at the images of these woods i mean they're so fucking beautiful and he

liked those those guys that make these guitars. This dude just collects this shit. Like, he'll call me up, and he'll send me text messages of blocks of wood, like it's a girl's ass, you know? You know, like your dude will send you, like, look at this ass I saw. Even his sons were like, yo, man, yeah, Pops, that's all he does is go out and buy wood. Yeah. Look at this wood, man.

I mean, that is fucking artwork. Yeah, it's beautiful. That wood is nature's art. I'm going to need one of those, dude. Look how fucking beautiful that is. He'll make you one. Yeah, I'm going to need one. He's a good friend of mine, and he's a cool motherfucker.

That cue is a goddamn masterpiece. Got to have the boss cue, you know what I mean? Everybody comes up with just the boss cue. If you didn't bring your own, you get one of those ones off the wall. This is the boss cue right here. Exactly. I got a bunch of those store-bought McDermott's and all that stuff. Those are one of those ones off the wall. This is the boss cue right here. Exactly. I got a bunch of those, like, you know, store-bought McDermott's and all that. Those are good.

Yeah, you know, they're good. Plenty good. That was beautiful. That was like art. Yeah, well, that's what it is. It's much like a guitar. Can you buy a guitar, like, at a guitar store, and it'll sound anywhere near as good as that?

Or is it a different sound then? The one I found was in a guitar shop in Nashville. You know what I mean? It's just, you know what, for me, it's like guitars like guitars are like things that speak to me like when you know i mean it's weird i'm sure there's something you're like everybody has it but it's like i walked into the shop the day i saw this one and it was the angel see i even had him replicate the angel on my on my original one because that's what originally i saw this work alone and i just was like you know this is beautiful let me play this guitar and it's just the sound of it and the

it's just so cool it's just the sound of it. That is so cool. It's just the wood is what it is. And I didn't realize it at the time because I didn't know it was Brazilian rosewood. But it was like always been warmer to me and a little more, had a little more bottom, had a little more bass in it, a little more ass than my other guitars. I have other guitars I love, but this one is just, and he replicated it perfectly. So is it about with them? Is it about the thickness of the wood, the age of the wood, the density, all those things probably?

You know what, I didn't get it. I just asked him to build it. I mean, I'm sure he told me something, but I mean the thickness is all the same pretty much on this. Like the sheets of wood were all looking pretty much like they already were the same, you know, amount of thickness. But it's like, you know, it takes a while. They have to shape, you know, this part is like, you know,

cutting it out on the flat part is easy. This is actually, this was a flat piece of wood at one point. Right. You know what I mean? And they bend it with water or something? Yeah, they bend it with water and time, you know. So it's a slow process. Like, I waited months for these guitars.

It wasn't, hey, they're done. It was like, when they were done, it was almost like, oh, I almost forgot I ordered those. Yeah, that's the same thing with with pool cues it's like the the wood needs a lot of time in order to like to shape it into something you can't just shape it it'll move and change like you got to do it real slowly but the result is like there's something about wood that like it's it's the best for for certain things i know it's the best for pool cues but it seems like for acoustic guitars too right have they ever come up with anything that's better

or close is there a carbon fiber alternative i'm sure there is but like i'm also sure it probably sounds like garbage i mean the wood is the music man it's the wood it lives in there it's porous the sound is like it's like i tell people the difference between like what I try to do, like even when I record, this is, you know, for more technical people. But like, you know, nowadays everything's done in the box and computers. You know what I mean? Right. I like 10, I do 90% of what I do in the box. I like to hit tape at some point.

You dump it onto a piece of tape, let the tape soak up the sound and let it become real and not some just ones and zeros let it become like what it is electricity you know because when it's in the computer it's really just ones and zeros and it to me i can tell the difference like when you hit the tape even if you dump it back into the computer now it's it's been alive and that's kind of the same thing it's like i can't explain it but this was living material this is porous it's got energy still you know i mean a piece of carbon fiber doesn't really have any energy a piece of plastic doesn't have that same because you're not an electric guitar works because you're not counting on this to be making the music right you're counting on the amplifier and and and you're

and and what you're doing up here is mostly doing the tonal work you know what i mean when you get an electric guitar is it the all the sounds like there's no like hollow opening inside of it there's some are i have like i personally when i play electric i play gretches like either white falcons or country gentlemen which are hollow bodies because then i can go because a lot of my songs blend electric and acoustic. When I play live, I can go with a clean tone on a hollow body. Electric is not acoustic, but it's close replication. And then when I go with a distorted tone or something like that through a pedal, it doesn't matter.

So when you're making sound with an electric guitar, like a flat, like Jimi Hendrix style electric guitar, where's the sound? It's being processed inside the guitar? Because without it being plugged in, it's not really making much noise, right? It's making a minimal. You can hear a guitar.

You can play it. It just won't ring out. It won't have a. The amplification in here is coming from the box that's built around the hole right here. The wooden box is the amplifier. And that's what also keeps that sound continuing, the vibration, the strings, and it keeps...

Reverberating, exactly. Like when you boom, it keeps going. Well, yeah, you'll hear the... It's still going, still going. It's the sound in the inside, that box just doing like this. That's something we don't really think about too much. You just sort of take It's still going. It's still going. It's the sound inside that box just doing like this. That's something we don't really think about too much. You just sort of take that shit for granted.

That's math we don't want to do. I don't want to do that math. That's complicated math. When you think about what it is, though, it's amazing. Somebody figured out a way to make beautiful sounds come out of things that are almost entirely out of nature up until the point where you plug it in. But all that other stuff that's inside of it.

Up until then, even the strings were nature in the old days because it would be cat gutter. Some old intestines of some animal would get strung across it. They used to do that shit for tennis rackets too, right? It was all cat gut, right? Yeah. Did you know that?

Yeah, it's like cats, man. They used to use actual cats, I believe. I think they used actual cat intestines. I don't know. That was always my interpretation of it. I think that's really what it was. Let's pull it up real quick. Cat gut strings.

That's going to be some gross images. Yeah, we're going to get some government lists. What are we going to make the strings on this thing out of? There's lots of dead cats around. Witch hair. Okay, it's prepared from the natural fiber found in the walls of animal intestines. Usually sheep or goat intestines are used,

but it's occasionally made from the intestines of cattle, hogs, horses, mules, or donkeys. Huh. So cat gut must be cattle gut, maybe? Yes. Cattle gut. Exactly. It says it's an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. You smart motherfucker.

God damn, Everlast is on the ball. That's just fucking common sense, dude. Let's just. But you did it before everybody. It's that alpha brain. That's what it is, dude. I never received. You never got any of it. I should have brought some for you.

Every time I leave here, you're like, I'm going to send you some alpha brain, man. I promise. I'll have it sent to you. Wait, but is that a ringing endorse like, I'm going to send you some Alpha Brain, man. I promise. I'll have it sent to you. Wait, but is that a ringing endorsement when you forget every time you tell me you're going to send me Alpha Brain? No, it's terrible. It's bad for the brand. I got too much shit on my mind.

I'm buzzing balls, dude. No, I know. You've really only told me that twice. I know. Whatever I said, I'll get it to you. I promise. So, yeah, it is, but it's definitely cattle gut. It says alternative and maybe derived from folk etymology.

Yeah, it is, but it's definitely cattle gut. It says alternative and maybe derived from folk etymology. The word kit meaning fiddle and having some point been confused with the word kit for young cat. Huh. So there's like an origin of it. So it was fiddle string at one point in time. But that doesn't make any sense because it's actually made from guts. Stop being a pussy.

They're talking about guts, folks. Cat guts. Yeah. Yeah, I remember it. I was always under the impression it was cat gut, though. Like, cats. Well, it's funny that people would have an issue with that, but the reality is, I mean, think about it, cows die every year. Oh, it's cow gut? No worries.

It's all good. No big deal. Do they not use that? What do they use that cow gut for? If they weren't using it for strings, what do they use it for? I don't know. It's probably waste. Vegans would not play guitar we could eliminate a lot of the folks if we just went back to that shit i had a friend who was a vegan who had to play pool with a leather tip used to drive him fucking crazy

there's no alternatives they've never figured out an alternative to leather for the tip of a pool cue for breaking they have but breaking you can't put english on a ball when you're breaking like when you they use these like g10 tips it's like some really hard composite like phenolic type plastic thing but for like for an actual playing cue never figured out how to do anything better than than natural leather i mean it's weird i'm vegan and all i get it you don't eat it whatever it's like yo so dude doesn't own a belt That's made of anything Or any kind of shoe product It's made of hemp

Hemp and understanding Yeah Hemp and understanding As are my shoes They're made of compassion Right I mean it's I respect the effort I guess

I just It's like to me It's like you know what There's an order I believe that as well You know what I mean There's an order And there's There's some You know I don't We've. There's an order and there's some...

We've talked the hunting talk before. You know what I mean? So it's like, I respect the effort throwing a dude that would stand by it. But if he's really all that about it, you better stop playing pool, buddy. You better stop... Well, he eventually gave up on the veganism too.

Okay. I got him eating fish. That was the first thing. Because I... How long behind that was the steak? It was not that far behind. Once he got that protein in his system. Murder tastes good.

Sorry. But we probably would have beat war and murder and all that a long time ago if murder didn't taste so damn good. He was never going to stop playing pool. He's a professional. There was a real issue with the tip thing. You can never find an alternative. a real issue with, Max Eberle is his name, the real issue with the tip thing.

You can never find an alternative. I got him with fish. I just alienated any vegan fan of mine. You're the only vegan fans that don't have a good sense of humor. Who gives a fuck what you eat? Be nice. The actual vegans I've only known in my life, most of them will walk in the room and preach

the vegan thing to you with a cigarette in their hand and maybe a bag of heroin in their pocket. Eating M&M's, talking to you about steak. It's going to give you a heart attack, dude. You should really watch that cow video. It'll make you happy, almost cry. Is it to that Pharrell song? No, it's just this group.

That song is just so catchy. You were talking about this before the podcast, so say what it is. It's this group of people that are trying to save cows. Because when cows are used for dairy and stuff like that, they usually, when they stop producing milk, they are useless. So they usually just slaughter them, like the old cows. And so it's this group of people that have taken these cows

and from donations allowed them to just die in a field. So they're releasing these cows that were originally supposed to be all slaughtered, like 100 or 200 cows or whatever. And instead of slaughtering them, they decided to let them go. So these cows, for their whole entire life, almost, have always been in these little cells

and just kind of used for pumping milk and shit like that. And so when they release them, though, it's some of the, like, the most, like, amazing saddest thing you'll ever see because they are so happy. They almost look like dogs being released from a pound. And here's the... I mean, they start jumping around. They're like, wait, we're allowed to walk?

Wow. Wow, that's so crazy. Too bad they're delicious. I know. I was just saying, like, I was like, man, am I going to feel bad after this now? Yeah. Or am I going to go right up the street and get me one of them delicious Five Guys burgers? Oh, Five Guys is so delicious.

Look at this. Like, they're even wiping their faces on the ground because they're just like, what grass? Isn't it crazy? I mean, I think with all that saying, I will say this though, man, like about as far as the animals and stuff, keeping an animal like that, you know,

for dairy purposes or whatever and then just locking them in a cage for their entire life is, I am not cool with that. I don't think that's a cool thing. I don't really, I'm not really big on like milk

as a product anyways. You know, I eat cheese and all that. I ain't going to front. But there's better ways to go about that stuff and there's better ways to go about even slaughtering animals. There's responsible ways.

I try to do my best to be aware of where what I'm eating comes from because that is happy to see. I think they should all be treated like that. But they shouldn't have been locked up for 20 years in the first place. You could have let them out once a month, once a week. You know what I mean? Hey, you gave us 40 gallons of milk this week. There you go. Run for four hours.

You know what I mean? That's just when we're getting a little bit too big for our own britches sometimes. That's exactly what it is. Too big for the amount of resources that we need to sustain us. And too big to maintain some kind of hearts big enough to maintain. Well, definitely we're too focused on money. When it comes to those situations where you want milk and food and dairy and you want it so much you're willing to let these animals get stacked in there

like that for the rest of their lives. But a farm, like when you go over someone's farm and they have them just wandering around a field, it doesn't seem so bad at all. No. I have a buddy in Wisconsin that has a farm. I mean, I had like a philosophical argument the other day with a buddy about, they had posted something on one of my pages, like Twitter or Facebook or something about like,

you know, we got to stop the killing of dogs in Korea for food. And I was like, well, you know what? I find that repulsive. But in Korea, they eat dogs. I mean, it's like, I'm not being a racist or anything here. I'm saying there's a tradition in places where they eat dogs. And it's like, we eat cows. a racist or anything here. I'm saying there's a tradition in places where they eat dogs. And it's like, we eat cows. Indians find us repulsive for that.

They don't kill cows at all. They live on one of the streets and do whatever they desire in their life because that's the highest station in life on some of their belief systems. You know what I mean? So I was like, you can't kind of do that. You have to, you know. It's got to make sense. It's got to make sense. And what if, let's keep it real,

I'm a dog lover. I would never eat a dog unless the zombie apocalypse actually came and the family was starving and those dogs were the only thing left. They would get eaten. I'm not lying. But, barring that, I could never deal with it. Like killing, eating a dog.

But there's a place in the world, hey, that's what they do. I mean, I would have told you the same thing about kangaroo. First time I went to Australia, I ate kangaroo like a motherfucker, man. So I can't say if you put me in Korea in the right place where it's a normal thing and they said, hey, try this dog, I would probably give it a try. So I can't sign your petition. I was like, I can't. If you're saying cruelty, that's a different thing. I'm 100% with you. yeah you're saying cruelty that's a different thing

i'm 100 with you have you seen this thing that's going on with this giraffe i know you are because you post like raw slabs of meat on grills like every other couple days so we're cool yeah oh yeah you know i love animals but i love to eat them too could you get a cow at your house like for fresh milk like no no you need an agricultural license you need a large parcel of land in order to do it humanely that'd be cool you couldn't just have a cow but uh you might be able to pull off a goat but one of the things all right cheese i love and all this but like when who my wife is the one who kind of started hitting me this is because i used to joke about using when she was breastfeeding you know using some breast milk for like my cereal

or something and and and then you know she kind of turned around one day and she said, well, it would make more sense than milk. Because who really decided we should be drinking off the teat of a cow? Because it's good for you. The reason why we drink milk is because there's protein in it. There's a lot of people that would say the opposite about milk. Well, it's not the best thing for you, but if it comes between starving and drinking milk, you should drink the milk. It'll keep you alive. There we go, Joe.

Yes, yes. But it is nutritious. It really is. The real problem with people, there's a bunch of problems. And one of the big ones is the sedentary lifestyle. I mean, people that talk about cholesterol and animal fats and proteins and how much of this is in your diet and that's in your diet, all those things, there's a certain amount of protein you need. And anything more than that is kind of wasteful.

And too much cholesterol is bad. But not enough cholesterol is bad too. Not enough protein is bad too. Like one of the big problems with people is we don't fucking use our bodies. So when you're pumping all this food in there and nothing happens, you're just caking the walls of your fat abdomen. That's one of the main problems that people have. It's a sedentary lifestyle issue. Then you're also dealing with who's making this milk. Is this at a farm where these cows are roaming through healthy grass fields and you don't even have to worry about

using any sort of homogenization process or pasteurization process. You could drink that milk raw because it's fresh coming right off the cow. Well, if you had that, you'd probably be way better off and your body would probably digest it better. Assuming a bunch of things, the cows aren't infected, there's no disease, there's no issues, everything's been done correctly as far as maintaining their nutrition. But if you did that, I guarantee you, if you're eating healthy raw milk, people wouldn't have nearly as many health problems. You're drinking dead stuff that's not supposed to exist in the wild.

It's not just the fact that you're drinking milk that comes from a cow and you're a person. It's also the fact that that thing is dead. There's protein in there. There's calcium. person. It's also the fact that that thing is dead. There's protein in there and there's calcium, but it's been boiled and fucking heat treated and shooting laser beams

through it and shit. That's not, you're never supposed to get milk like that. It doesn't exist. So you just start farting and your stomach starts rumbling and people go oh, he's lactose intolerant. You're just drinking dead shit. It's just how hardy is your system. And then you replace it with all these probiotics they're trying to sell you now that's live shit to kill the dead shit you it's just how hardy is your system and then you replace it with like all these probiotics they're trying to sell you an auto that's live shit to kill the dead shit you just

put in your gut and to enhance the environment the the neighborhood of your stomach like people don't understand that when you're eating live cultures like yogurt is just bacteria but it's important bacteria that acidophilus bacteria is a really strong, healthy one. So if you can get that stuff in your body, it'll actually help battle against some of the other more aggressive negative bacteria. The candida. Like that's, I've watched that whole entire thing on that. Did you watch the whole thing or do you know all about that? Well, it's a long infomercial is what it is.

I actually posted it up on Twitter and I didn't realize it was an infomercial to the end. But the facts in that infomercials what it is. I actually posted it up on Twitter and I didn't realize it was an infomercial to the end, but the facts in that infomercial are accurate. It's incredible how much money has been spent to ensure that people continue to use sugar and high fructose corn syrup and how bad that stuff actually is for you. Sugar and corn syrup are fucking terrible for you. And they're not just terrible for you because it's almost like a toxin. It's terrible for you. And they're not just terrible for you because it's almost like a toxin. It's terrible for you because it feeds the unhealthy bacteria in your gut. And it encourages that shit to grow. And it can cause all sorts of like mental problems and emotional problems. And we're just not supposed to eat high fructose corn syrup. Like that shit's not even supposed to exist. You're supposed to get your sugar from a fruit. It's supposed to be like a peach.

It's delicious and it's sweet and it's natural and your body knows exactly what to do with that shit. But if you get corn syrup in your body, your body's like, what the fuck is this? How are you getting so much sugar in such a small package? What the fuck has 19

grams of sugar in a tablespoon? Nothing in nature. It doesn't even seem possible. That info commercial was interesting because it showed how they got aspartame passed. And that was really scary because, like, Rumsfeld was involved and all this shit like that. Totally true. Totally true. Rumsfeld is one of the guys who got aspartame passed.

It's a fact. You can look at it online. You can follow the documents. You can see the work that was done and all the lobbying. Oh, Jesus. it's fucking they would they would take they would take mice that got tumors from aspartame cut out the tumors and just say no it doesn't have any tumors like they did all this bullshit fucking like like science to just to like pass it evil white dudes at the top of the ladder that's my next book so so i i've been freaking out lately because i get i get like five splendas in this trenta iced coffee every day and my dad's like you can't have

splenda anymore no more why don't you just go with this shit man stevia yeah it's great it's great it's healthy it comes from a plant you don't even need a dash of it isn't there like reports of even stevia being there's like weird science behind it maybe but you gotta look into that stuff because some of the reports that you get like online especially like some of the reports that they were talking about in that little piece on candida talked about how the sugar lobby had come up with their own yes agave yeah they they they went after agave like with their own research their own fucking fugazi research like it's hilarious how much fuckery is involved in our nutrition and our health and just our government itself.

It's all completely corrupt. And that's just another example of it. It's just the reason why there's subsidies for corn. It's like everyone's making mad crazy money. That's why. They just, let's keep this party rolling. Did you see that thing that went around recently about the Subway bread? What? What?

What about it? It had some crazy, I believe it was formaldehyde-type substance in it to keep it so, because the yeast in bread shouldn't rise after a few days. So while they freeze their bread and they keep it, this chemical, there's this thing that was going around. My wife sent it to me again. She's the person always into all this kind of stuff and it was like about this stuff and like how it broke down how like in europe they don't have any of this stuff in their food yeah they really don't like they they have such harder restrictions and regulations on what goes into food over there that it's always it didn't dawn on me until the last couple years like why when i go there i eat in good restaurants

where they're i don't eat the fast food anymore as little as humanly possible, unless I'm starving somewhere and I gotta have a cheeseburger. Right. So I always wonder why, man, I always feel clean and good when I come back from there, like a little bit different. And it's because the food's better, man. The food's cleaner. Yeah. Not a lot of rampant use of antibiotics like in America. Not a lot of use of hormones.

But, you know, apparently the hormones are not an issue. Like everybody's worried about hormones in meat. They say that there's no evidence whatsoever that the hormones affect human beings. That's what I've read. But what they do do is make their cows up to 25% larger or an average of 25% larger. So apparently they don't do it to chickens though. You know, everybody thinks they do it to chickens. Chickens is actually just breeding. They figured out a way to selectively breed them until they get the biggest breasts. And then apparently that's

what they say that they don't give chickens hormones, but they do give chickens antibiotics if they get sick. And they only give cows antibiotics because the cows are actually getting sick from eating corn. Apparently cows, when they eat corn, they can really develop some serious stomach problems. That's one of the reasons why they're so marbled is because they're dying. It's like they're just so fat, they're just like... Their body just has no idea what to do with all that corn.

Just farting. I'll tell you, the closest I get to being a vegetarian is any time I drive up to 5 by that one spot. I know what you're talking about. That's the time it always is like, man, I know occasionally I eat some meat that comes from here. I know I do, even if I try not to. I know at a restaurant or something. And sometimes the way they do it there, I've never even seen it or witnessed it, but I've smelled it.

And I know it's not good what they're doing up there. And one of the best steak restaurants is right in that place. It smells like shit. Where is that? Right when you're going through that little shit area, there's like a... Where is this shit area? Is that like... Bakersfield? I want to say Taft-ish. Yeah, Taft. Taft-ish? Like around

that area? I don't want to know if it's actually Taft, but it's around that area. Yeah, there's a good steak restaurant, and you know that they're just like going right out back. They're fresh. My order there's a good steak restaurant. And you know that they're just like going right out back. They're fresh. Don't tell, you know, my order usually at a steakhouse is walk it by the fire and slap it in the ass. You don't say that at that spot, man.

They will take that literally. That's the closest I ever get to not being a vegetarian but being a Democrat is when I'm driving up that fucking 5. And I see, when I was driving up there last time, I was headed to San Francisco before the elections. It was like right before the last election. And there was all these crazy Mitt Romney, pro-Mitt Romney signs. And I was like, oh my God, you dumb motherfuckers are going to make me vote Democrat.

You realize like how many people, just the knee-jerk, automatically vote conservative people, how fucking dumb some of them are. When you see their campaign posters, like, you silly bitches. You know that chemical he was just talking about that's in Subway? It's the same chemical used for making yoga mats and running shoes. That's what it was. Stretchable.

That's fucking hilarious. It's like rubber. Oh my God, we're so gross. We are really gross. I buy Ezekiel bread. I don't eat much bread anymore. What's worse is that was a mass thing. It got to me through social media

and my wife texted it to me because she saw it. I'm not shocked. You know what I mean? But it's completely ignored. People still go right to Subway and eat it and not even care. Well, if you want to have a bunch of kids working for you, you've got to make everything real fucking simple.

You can't have them make their own dough. Add the flour, add the eggs. They're going to fuck that up. You're going to have inconsistent amounts. But you've got to give them the dough already made. Press that button, dummy. See that? Yeah, that means it's ready.

And then you pull it out. Okay, and you don't fuck with it. Slice that bitch. My wife told me that Subway actually said they're going to take it out. And I said, yeah, as soon as they use the stockpile of bread they already have. Yeah. As soon as y'all finish the poison we've already made, we'll stop making that poison. How can they say they're going to take it out now?

Like, you have to stick up for your guns. Word. That means you know you've been doing something real fucked up for a long time. Look at this. Yoga mat bread. They're calling it yoga mat bread. This article is showing five other ingredients that need to be removed immediately. Like, why is this in our food?

One is called L-cystatine, something like that. Yeah. And it's mostly composed of duck feathers or human hair and it's in mcdonald's apple pie it probably makes it delicious how come it's okay to eat a duck's uh breast but not eat its hair who gives a fuck silicone dioxide and wendy's beef chili which is actually pretty much just sand is it really? It's fucking Sam? Yeah. Oh, my God. Dime, my, thole, pole, whatever, fuck, is in Burger King, and it's a natural beef flavor that's, yeah, anyways.

I don't know what the fuck that is. Yeah, we're gross, man. We're gross. If we can make a little extra money, we'll fucking, we'll serve you anything, bitch. Chop that shit up. You know, bread's not supposed to last very long like like i fret day old bread is supposed to go to the homeless yeah

exactly right disrespect i'm saying but that was when i was young it was like the day old donuts and the day old bread that's what gets given away like you know there's no good anymore you can't eat that anymore i don't need i'm pretty much gluten free i give myself cheat days every now and again but i i like to eat Ezekiel bread on those cheat days. And you can only get it for, you keep it for a couple days. And my wife's always like, wow, this stuff goes bad so quick. I'm like, that's because it's good for you. Tomatoes.

You get a tomato. They don't last very long, man. Once you pick them, you got a few days. You got to eat it. Yeah, that's life. That's what it's supposed to be. This weirdness where a glass of milk can sit in your fucking refrigerator for a month and smell the same. That's crazy.

That's supposed to smell like horrible shit. It's supposed to be sour as fuck. A week? Yeah, if you're lucky. It'd be nasty. If you get that raw milk in three days, it smells like shit. Because you're supposed to have already eaten it. You're supposed to be milking that cow every day or it's going to die.

because you're supposed to have already eaten it. You're supposed to be milking that cow every day or it's going to die. I want you to pull up that video of that guy in the giraffe debate because this is what's going on in – It's on your Twitter, right? I don't know. Just pull up giraffe killed for lion meat. It's this big, big debate, man, where this – after this we'll let you bang that. were ready to go oh no no i just

i get comfortable that's a good way to hunch over on it i always i don't speak in the mic enough either this um no you well you i like talk i love your songs but i love talking to you too so i get selfish oh no no i want to keep i'm good dude like i said you know it was a rough week i explained to you so i'm cool i'm i'll sing some i'm still trying to figure it out. I'm thinking about, because of our little talk about sort of experimentation with audiences and stuff and doing the unknown, I might pull out some songs that are unknown. Okay, beautiful. Beautiful. Now, this is what's fucked up about this. They interviewed this dude.

I don't know. This might not be the best video, but they interviewed him, the zookeeper. I don't know. This might not be the best video, but they interviewed him, the zookeeper. See if you can find a zookeeper interview. Because they talked to him about it, and they showed a bunch of kids this animal getting killed. Not just getting killed, but getting dismembered. Apparently they did it all in full view of these school children and then answered questions. So the school children got to see this animal dissected and butchered.

Okay. And people were freaking out that other zoos wanted to take this animal and why didn't they do that. And the zookeeper was – is this the animal? I can't watch this. Yeah, they pump one into its brain and then they're going to dissect it. You don't have to show this online because I don't want people that wouldn't want to watch it. If you want to watch it, you can find it. The point is they did it as an anatomy lesson and let these kids see this is the muscles of an animal. This is what happens when you butcher this animal, and this is what happens when you butcher cows.

And so the interviewer was saying, you know, this American guy, of course, you know, like, why, actually, it was a British guy, too. British guy questioned him, and he was saying, like, isn't this cruel? Like, what you're doing, he's like, well, why, is it any more cruel to do it to a cow? You're feeding predators. Like, these predators, they eat meat. The meat has to come from animals.

You can't feed a tiger, like, vegetables. They eat meat. So if you're going to keep a tiger in the zoo, animals have to die to feed this thing. Like, isn't it kind of hypocritical that you're concerned about the life of a giraffe, but not concerned about the life of a cow? One has to die in order for this animal to, to, to, do you quantify, do you put one as more valuable than the other? And it was just all emotions from this guy and needs it's the non Embracing of the food chain that they don't want to admit that in order to make leather you have to kill a cow They don't want to admit that if a zebra dies, you know And it gets fed to a lion that really is no different than a cow dying

Really no different than killing a giraffe and feeding that to a lion It's just an animal that has to be sacrificed in order to keep this food chain thing going. You got one or two options. You either let a giraffe go inside the cage and just wash your hands of it. I didn't do anything. Or you kill it and do it quickly and humanely, and then you feed it to the lion. Because if you're going to keep a fucking lion, you need some giraffe meat. Absolutely some cow meat you need some kind of meat but these could be they didn't want to admit it it was weird it was weird listening to the disconnect from this reporter who's i'm not a big fan of people that become reporters there's not really any reporters anymore man there's

opinion takers and opinion givers man they're reporting used to be getting a fact and delivering a fact and the reasoning and the choosing of what it meant was to the audience that doesn't really exist anymore there's also a political aspect to what they're doing because they're all owned by a corporation that owns political people it's that but it's also they want to make sure that they're on the most popular side like when they're saying things when they're talking about things a lot of times it's not coming from a rational, objective place. It's coming from a place of representing an opinion that's going to get you the most amount of support. Oh, Pierce Morgan syndrome.

Yeah. There you go. There's definitely some of that, right? Yeah. Representing an opinion that you think is going to be the most effective in getting you more popular, more people are going to be on your side. Yeah. more popular more people are going to be on your side yeah and there's there's certain issues like that one where you really shouldn't be saying well isn't this isn't this horrible and shocking that you did this in front of these children you scarred them for life and he's like no why is it why is it bad this is natural this is nature it's showing these children nature and they had a lot

of questions and you get the answer these questions like are we denying that this takes place like what is the educational value of preventing kids from hearing? The weird thing about it is like, you know, just recently, my daughter loves chicken. You know what I mean? And she kind of recently put together that a chicken she sees in a cartoon on a show and a chicken she's eating are, what's the deal? And I had to kind of explain to her like chickens, we eat chickens. People eat chickens because that's what, you know, they're nutritious for our body it was like a rough discussion it was like um let me know how

do i tell a four-year-old that uh you know we're we're eating the chicken on the cartoon right now it's not the cartoon no that's the thing is that's yeah um this idea that we have of anthropomorphizing animals i think that's the expression would they use where you make an animal like a person like donald duck or you know daffy duck or whatever the. I think that's the expression where you make an animal like a person, like Donald Duck or Daffy Duck or whatever the fuck it is that's talking and Elmer...

Well, I guess Elmer was actually a human, right? Bugs Bunny. All that shit. It's like you're putting human characteristics into an animal that we've been killing

and eating forever. You're twisting up nature. And when you're a little kid, that shit is confusing as fuck. Now, my kids have chickens. We have chickens. We have 12 chickens. We just ordered more. We're going to have more. Well, we had, no, we have 13. We had 14 and one of them, I think a hawk got it. You think?

Pretty sure it was a hawk. How'd he taste? I don't know. It might've been my dog, but I think it was a hawk. There's no feathers. It's hard to tell. Something happened. Anyway, we still got 13 chickens. There's no feathers. It's hard to tell. Something happened. Anyway, we still got 13 chickens. My daughters know these chickens, but they also eat chicken.

And so I have to explain to them. Don't have to explain to one of them because they'll fucking chicken bit her in the face. She'll kill that fucking chicken herself. Chickens are stupid as shit, man. They'll peck at your feet. They'll peck at your face. I got attacked as a kid as a chicken. That's how I got this scar in between my nose. A chicken attacked you?

Yeah, as a kid I was near a chicken nest. I've said it before between my nose. A chicken attacked you? Yeah, as a kid, I was near a chicken nest and I've said it before in a podcast a long time ago, but like, my mom wasn't watching me and all these chickens just jumped on me and started pecking me.

I remember just freaking out. Like, it fucking sucked and I had like shit all over my face from pecks. Blood? Yeah,

right here. He left out the part where his mom sprinkled seed all over him and was shoving him into the yard. I was sprinkled seed all over him. We're shoving him into the yard. I was supposed to be for the pigs. I got attacked by a goat when I was a little kid.

My dad had a co-op. He was going to school in San Francisco. And they had set up this farm co-op. And they had farm animals and they grew fruits and vegetables. And everybody would come by and they would collect them. It was in his school that they were doing this. And he brought me with them and this fucking goat attacked me man And I was like I guess seven and the goat slammed into me But it in my chest and I'm trying to hang on to this thing and to this day

I will fuck up a goat if it talks some shit I never forget that there's a lot of animals that I would take some shit from I would never take some shit from a goat If I thought that a goat was getting crazy I would kick a goat right in the fucking face full back I don't like them to this day because while six I couldn't do it seven I couldn't do a goddamn thing about it and I never like he had to come and save me from this goat and if he wasn't near me I probably got really fucked up the female got involved too because I was petting the female the male came came over and head butted me.

But once the male jumped in, then the female jumped in too. So, oh, I'd like to go back. If goats lived to be like 40 years, I would go back and beat the fuck out of that goat. How old do they live to be? I don't know. Let's go rat pack that motherfucker, man. Let's go have goat tonight, dude. You want to eat that goat.

Oh, that would be an old, nasty, dry shoe goat. You should get a miniature pony. A miniature pony. They're cute. Yeah. And your kids would love that. I don't think they're too bright either, though. Yeah, I'm sure.

Well, horses are weird, man. Any animal just stands there. People say they love their horses, and I totally get that. I've seen people, I have friends that, like, Callan, his kid is into horses. Like, Callan, like, he's ridden horses, too. His wife rides horses. They just sit there, and they stand, and they just wait for you. Like, they don't do much.

They eat grass, and they stand. They can't be that smart. There's just no way they're that smart. And, well, that's a regular horse. He's talking about a mini horse when you breed it down to being, like, this big. I mean, I can't imagine it's retained much. Two-cup ponies. Well, you know, that was the thing about this giraffe.

One of the reasons why they had to kill this giraffe was there's too much inbreeding. There's too much of the same genetics being passed around inside the zoo. And I guess people offer to take care of the giraffe, but that's a miniature pony? Oh, my goodness. That is adorable. Look at that thing. Is that a baby one? It's Oh, my goodness. That is adorable. Look at that thing. Is that a baby one? It's regular.

It's full size, I think. Wow. They have them in Burbank. There's a lot of them in Burbank. Everyone walks them around like a dog. Yeah, that might be the cutest shit I've ever seen. And you can get them to grow it out. Until it bites you and kicks you in the nuts.

Then I fucking archery practice in my backyard. What does horse taste like? I've had horse before. I had horse with Duncan, and I had horse with Ari once at the same place. Why would you eat horse? It's delicious. There's a place called Joe Beef in Montreal. If you are ever in Montreal.

Joe Beef. And it's a small place. It is the most jamming restaurant in the history of mankind. Joe Beef. Montreal. God damn, that place is good. And the dudes who run it are cool as fuck. These big ass bad motherfuckers from Montreal

that are just... Whoa, what is this, Brian? This is a mini horse. Is this like orgasm-type? No, no, no, no. Girls get orgasms off horses. Oh, yeah. That shit just doesn't look right. That's one of the big things. Whatever's going on there. Oh, man, what's going on? Turn this off. This is not safe for work. What is he doing?

Was there about to be a porn scene on that poor horse? It might kill your dick for a week if you watched it. It's not. What is this? That's not right, man. Yeah, whatever it was. Get Brian. Get out of here.

She's leading her off to a mess. Come follow me. Let's work out all the problems we developed in childhood. Yeah, who's the asshole that bred a horse down to some little fucking helpless thing? Goddamn.

Are they bred down there? You can walk? You can ride them? Somehow. The ones in Burbank, they look like my little ponies and these little kids ride them and they're just like princesses

riding around Burbank. That girl's gonna get kicked in the face. This is what I predict. I predict that horse bucks her and then one to the mug, bitch. Doom! That is a weird animal, man. It's almost like a dog-pig thing. It doesn't really even look like a horse.

We're weird, man. You know what you can't domesticate? Zebras. They've tried and tried and tried. You cannot ride a fucking zebra. Zebras are not having it. Just not going for it. Not having it.

Never even seen anybody try that before. You can't do it. They're not having it. They're not hearing it. Have you ever met a black guy that has a Boston accent? Yes, many. So they exist? Oh, yeah.

Fuck yeah. But they have a little black to it, too. What's it sound like? I wouldn't want to. We should get John Doomsday Howard on the podcast. He's an MMA fighter out of Boston. I think he's from Dorchester. Yeah, they say certain things, but they don't have that had.

The Boston accent. There's the white Irish Boston accent. There's the boston accent the there's the the the white irish boston accent there's the italian boston accent it's got you know there's a little bit of like there's a little more slipperiness to the italian boston accent and then there's i couldn't do the black impression i need to like i don't want to be disrespectful and do some stereotypical black shit and then try to throw some boston talk to it i just want to hear it it sounds amazing it's like a unicorn it definitely exists no it's not a unicorn at all. I remember the first time I left America and I went to London,

and black people were talking with English accents. It kind of messed my mind up a little bit. Oh, yeah. It just was so strange. Do you remember Frank Bruno? Frank Bruno. The fighter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Frank Bruno was one of the most famous English heavyweights, in America at least. For sure. He was fighting against Mike Tyson. You want to talk about a dude who looked like he could never lose? Pull up a picture of Frank Bruno. Frank Bruno might have had the best physique in the history of the heavyweight division. Even better physique than Evander Holyfield. I know that sounds crazy, but the dude was just sculpted. He really looked more like a bodybuilder than anything and mike tyson he fought mike tyson when mike tyson was mike tyson yeah and mike tyson mike

tyson it was it went it went about the way everything went for people that fought mike yeah see if you get it there's a picture of his body where you get a better look at it he he beat tyson beat the fuck out of him but he was was just a fucking Goliath, that guy. Just perfect physique. Frank Bruno, man. This is a picture of him right there. There's one, and there's one above it with Tyson knocking him through the ropes.

We can see right there. We can see how built the motherfucker is. The dude was just sculpted. Huge, broad shoulders. But he fought Mike Tyson when he was evil Mike Tyson. Is this guy still around? I haven't seen this guy in a while. Mills Lane.

He had a TV show for a little while. He passed a while. He was a judge, too. Yeah. He had a TV show after he did... That was his show, right? A judge, Judge Mills Lane? No, he was a real judge.

And then he became famous from doing boxing matches. And then he had a, like, Judge Mills Lane... Yeah, Judge show, yeah. Yeah, it was like one of those Judge Judy shows. I love Judge Mills Lane.

Do you know how much money... That was his thing. ...Judge fucking Judy makes? She makes more than anyone. More than anyone in the world. A lot. Judge Judy will buy and sell everyone in this room a billion times over. That bitch is rich as fuck.

Oh, lots of millions. Mexican gangster rich. Many millions upon millions. Yeah, like insane amounts of money. Like she makes some stupid thing. If Mills Lane was still around, though, he'd be doing UFC fights, trust. I bet he would. Well, he's kind of older. You don't want stupid deal. If Mills Lane was still around, though, he'd be doing UFC fights. Trust. I bet he would. Well, he's kind of older.

You don't want to get tackled when you get that old. Like at a certain age, it's dangerous to be a referee because fighters are not trying to hurt you. But when you have to stop a fight, shit happens. For sure. You know, you're in the middle of a guy who's landing haymakers trying to get a title shot or defend his title or win a title. And you've got to somehow or another get that guy to stop and get in between them at the especially if he can't see you if you're coming from behind him old dudes can't do it it's there's a lot of debate about women doing it there's the debate about women doing i think there's there's definitely women that are good at

it um but uh there's there's uh a lot of uh women that are mma uh refere. One that I can think of in particular that I'll be kind and not bring up. 47 million per year. Damn, bitch! But, you know, she'll have to referee a fight where the dudes are light, heavyweight men. Is that just syndication money? Is that what that is? I don't know, man. It's a good question.

47 million dollars, man! She owns it. She owns the show. That's what I'm saying. So she's getting the commercial money. She's getting the, wow. The show gets $200 million in ad revenue for CBS. And she gets a piece of it. It only costs $10 million a year to produce.

That's incredible. And she owns it. So she makes, in two years, close to $100 million. Jesus fucking Christ, bitch. Just to be mean to people. You listen to me! God, that would encourage you to be just that much meaner. Can you imagine what her giving pussy eating instructions

is like? Oh, shit. Jon Stewart came in second place, though. $25 to $30 million a year. Wow, off the Daily Show, huh? Well, he probably owns a piece of Colbert Report, too. Yeah. You hear about Tom Brokaw and that fucking cancer? No.

He has bone marrow cancer, which is like the worst cancer. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, that's... Cut to Alex Jones. The CIA doesn't want Tom Brokaw alive. As they get older, they get more dangerous. Because they have the information, they know that the end is coming near, and that's when the CIA takes them out. If you look at those old guys, they always die when they're old.

You see, because when they're old is when they're dangerous. They don't have anything to lose. So they die, they kill them to make it look like it's old age. And they get them right before they talk. This is the reason why, what the fuck's his name that faked the moon landings? Kubrick. Stanley Kubrick, known working for NASA, he was a NASA shill,

made the moon landings that killed Stanley Kubrick before he turned 72. My back hurts. It's hilarious that they all seem to die when they're old. Well, that's the thing. They die when they're old, but they know when they're about to spill the beans. I don't listen to dudes that much.

I'm going to have to listen to them more. You've got to listen to them in real life. If you had them in the studio, it would be a trip. You would like them. Alex Jones is a good dude. The things I've seen, I've liked. I'm just saying I haven't really watched full on. Who has time for that stuff, man?

I don't have time. I'm happy when I get a Rogan podcast in, you know what I mean? Or an Ellis show. You know what I mean? Like, for listening pleasure. You know what I mean? It's like... Yeah, there's only a certain amount of time in the day.

You can't spend... When I was younger, I indulged a lot more on that doom and gloom shit. But now I'm like, listen, man. Now I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know.

The Illuminati. They won. Let's go. No, we didn't. You don't know what's going on. You don't know what's going on. I don. No, we didn't. You don't know what's going on. You don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on.

You don't know what's going on. And guess what? They don't even know what's going on because it's more than like one person or one group that's affecting what's going on in this world. They're not all in cahoots. They're not all working together. Stop it. It's not that organized.

There's a chaotic whole movement going on right now, and everyone's scrambling for their own piece of the pie. Everyone's scrambling to have a position of influence. But the idea that one group above all others is in control of this whole thing, that's not true. There's a bunch of people that have big effects on it, but there's a social change movement that's going on in this world right now that they will talk about in the future.

And it'll make the Renaissance look like a fucking tea party. This is going to make the 60s look like the 50s. This is what's going on in America in 2014. The world. The world, absolutely. This is going to change everything. And it's happening in just a few decades. It's happening over the period of just 20, 30 years.

The whole world is going to be completely different. And no one can stop it. Waiting for that Kurzweil shit to start popping off. And we're going to be integrated with the technology and all that craziness. Yeah, that Kurzweil shit. Just started going over that again because of that NAMM show recently. I went by the booth of the company, Kurzweil, and struck up that conversation with a friend of mine. I'm like, man, this dude's blowing up.

I got to leave because my mind's starting to go all over the place. He gets a lot of shit, man. It's fascinating listening to naysayers talk about Kurzweil. That guy's predicted so many things and invented so many things already. He's been responsible for so many different inventions. I mean, he's a responsible for so many different inventions i mean he's a he's a legit super genius like i've had a chance to talk to a couple dudes in my life where i knew that like i i really shouldn't be allowed to talk to them like i'm way too stupid to actually be talking to them

it's not fair and one of them was john carmack who who's the lead programmer for id Software. He made Quake. He invented the original Quake engine, which is like this incredible three-dimensional game engine. And the other one was Kurzweil. And as Kurzweil started talking about the future and about what computers will be able to do and the exponential growth of this technology and how it will lead to artificial intelligence that will be indistinguishable from organic intelligence, it wasn't a matter of whether or not it's going to happen. It's just time. It's just time. People are going to keep this path going. And I listened to him. I was like, I walked, when we left his place, it was me and the camera guys and my friend Todd,

who is the producer of my show. And we just sat and looked at each other like, fuck, like what, this like what this guy just what is coming next man this guy just scared the fucking shit out of me just thinking about the reality of you're in the presence of the one of the world's super genius inventors and he's telling you what the fuck's gonna happen and you're like he's I think he's right god damn it he's right holy shit yeah man There's a lot of crazy, scary shit going on. Unless the aliens land, it's on. It's just a matter of time. I have a buddy. I won't say his name.

Please say his name. No, I can't. Because what I'm going to tell you, you'll understand why. I was sitting in his apartment the other day, just chilling. And he's a real techie kind of guy. And he pulls out his computer and he's like, watch this. And he doesn and he pulls out his computer, and he's like, watch this. And he doesn't have Internet in his place, any of this stuff. He, like, hacked into every network around him.

And this is just a dude who picked up a book. He hasn't been learning this or trying to hack for years. Picked up a book that told him to buy this one device, and through that device, how he can just go about it. And, like, he can get anything he wants from anybody. He can get your phone. He can get you anything. Like that. And, you know, he can just go about it. He can get anything he wants from anybody. He can get your phone. He can get you anything like that. He's not a bad guy.

He was just like, is that crazy or what? When I thought about it, I was like, everything in my life is on my phone or my computer. I was like, I got people in my life. How many firewalls can I put up in this? He was like, you know what? It doesn't even matter. I can get through them. I was just like, wow, dude.

It's crazy. We are just living naked out there completely. it's gonna get more and more naked too Oh, yeah, like the naked you you feel knows the beginning of naked. Yeah, there's gonna be no secrets anymore, man It's gonna be real hard with intellectual property because there's gonna be a dude who's rushing to put out an Everlast song You're gonna have to make your shit and record it on like fucking old wax like those How did they used to do those old recordings was totally analog? I got tape machines still dude I still got tape machines. Yeah, that's what you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to do that And we'll go back to that. I digi-

Digitally transcribe it the moment where you're gonna release it because otherwise people if you have it on your hard drive Some asshole is gonna wake I know that motherfuckers not awake at 5 in the morning. That's what we'll download his shit So you're snoozing away and he's downloading things for your computer. You think your computer's off, and he's just leeching files off of it. That's crazy, man. It's possible. It's all numbers. Dude, and my buddy told me he's like a week away from being able to do the thing

where he can turn your camera on without you knowing it and see it in your house. I wouldn't be surprised. He's just like, I just got to figure out. He's learning the language, like the computer, like actual whatever they used to call that language. C++? Is it still called DOS? That was one of them. It's that kind of thing.

Whatever the modern one of that is, he's like just all knee deep in it. Yeah, you remember when they used to have the DOS window in Windows? You could pull it up and enter in things? They still have that on computers. In Terminal on Macs. In Terminal?

That's what it's called? Yep. So you could get in there and fuck around and do things? Every Mac is actually, you could, if you turn it off, there's a way to turn it back on an In-Sub Windows computer. Oh, yeah, yeah. You could do that. I forgot.

I just learned that not too long ago. Yeah. I was like, word? Yeah, you just have to install Windows on it and buy a copy of Windows, a legit copy of Windows. Because Windows used to be that Mac was on a different platform. They had a different processor. And then they switched over to

Intel. They used to have the IBM processors, right? Isn't that what it was? And then they switched over to Intel. When IBM, the platform could only take it so high. In order to get those three gigabyte, so they switched over. It was a real crazy problem for a lot of people because they had software that only worked on the old Macs, that legacy software. Yeah, well, I had, for example, like I had back in the early days, I had Pro Tools, the version Pro Tools 5.

And then all that Pentium stuff started coming out. And, like, I had all these what they call cracked files of like waves and all this stuff yeah and like i didn't want to move into the next thing for years because i just had this whole like 40 000 studio setup that was working fine but like i couldn't really work with any other computers for a long time can Can you still get a cracked file? Can you still download, like, everyone's nodding? Let's pretend they're nodding. No. No, no, you can't do that.

No, you can't do that. I know who never does it. Brian. Never. Brian Redman never does it. Actually, you know, they make it so much easier nowadays. Like, for, like, Photoshop, you pay $30 a month, and you get every single one of their programs, you know,

for free every month. So it's like you have Premiere. $30 dollars a month I think it was $39 I can't remember what it is but it's like before it used to be like you know Photoshop was like $1,400 or something that premier was $1,000 but now you just have like this monthly fee kind of like cable subscription and you just get all their program makes a lot more sense so much easier and second of all is like when I bought that system it came like that the guy who built it for me just put all that stuff in there. So it's like, I mean, I don't download movies, music.

I don't know how to. I don't know how to go to like a torrent and do it. I used to, like I had an engineer that would do anything. He's pleading ignorance. I see what he's doing. Government. I'm saying I wish I did. I wish I did.

I would download a bunch-ish. I know people are downloading mine. You wouldn't. I know you wouldn't. You're a loyal,-ish. I know people are downloading mine. You wouldn't. I know you wouldn't. You're a loyal, ethical man. It ain't hard, dude. It's pretty goddamn easy. But then, you know, if I did start doing it, though, I wouldn't complain when the music in the movies got shittier and shittier and shittier.

That's true. That's a good point, man. That's a good point. There's a guy on one of my favorite message boards that posted a thread that he's a copyright criminal. He apparently just downloaded some shit and just doing bit-torn shit, and he downloaded one that was being tracked. So they got a hold of him. I don't know the exact details of his story, but he's just a regular dude who just has a regular job, and he's going through court right now i hate he owes a

lot of money you doing that jamie is that a movie thing is it a movie thing because the movie industry has done a lot better job of scaring people away from doing it than the music i remember the music industry for a second when it was first going on they had pinned all these kids down and like they were getting gonna go to jail and like hundreds of thousands of songs like there was like and then they all backed off because everybody's like oh they're kids and they're like no their parents should have paid for that that's hundreds of thousands of songs. And then they all backed off because everybody's like, oh, they're kids. And they're like, no, their parents should have paid for that. That's hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of music and work that people put in.

It cost me, if I make a cheap, that acoustic record cost me 25 grand to make. All right? And that's cheap. That's cheap. That is so cool that you could do it all on your own. You know what I mean? That's another benefit to acoustic.

You know what I mean? So it's like stealing that is stealing that, regardless. You know what I mean? I on your own. You know what I mean? That's another benefit to acoustic. You know what I mean? So it's like stealing that is stealing that, regardless. You know what I mean? I feel that way. You know what I mean? I'm like this, though. I won't front. Musically, I would download a song and check it out.

If I like it, though, I will buy that fucking song. I guarantee. I think a lot of people do that. A lot of people support. I don't mind that. I don't mind you that's why i was happy when they kind of gave people those much bigger listening windows on itunes because you can get a much like they used to give you like that just little 15 the hook or something

and you'd be like all right that's the hook what about maybe the rest of the song so now you get you get a good like 30 seconds or something like that so you can really make a good call i think on whether you want a song or not yeah that, that's big. I like that. I like that they have a little preview thing. I wouldn't even care if they said, listen to the whole song for free right now. And if you like it, you can't leave here and listen to it again unless you buy it. Right. That's not a bad idea, because a lot of the good songs you want to hear over and over

and over again, sometimes a good song you don't even appreciate the first time. You have to hear it a second time and a third time to really know what the fuck's going on in that song. Exactly. I don't mind. That's the same thing. That's why I wouldn't mind a third time to really know what the fuck's going on in that song. Exactly. I don't mind. That's the same thing. That's why I wouldn't mind a guy who honestly goes and downloads the songs. I mean, I really like that song.

I'm going to go buy that record. Not only that, usually if I like your song, I'll buy your whole album and chance it. You know what I mean? That's my deal. It's like, oh, that single was hot. I like that record. I'm going to buy that album. Yeah, I'm one of those dudes that gets into an album and I'll listen to nothing but that album for like four or five weeks.

that gets into an album, and I'll listen to nothing but that album for like four or five weeks. I'll just overplay that shit in my car to the point where I'm listening to the same songs over and over and over again, which is so much different than how I feel about comedy. Like comedy, I can listen to it a couple, two, three times, but then I'm done.

I don't want to hear the same bits over and over again. At least for a while. Yeah. You got to put it down. Yeah. Some old school shit, like old Richard Pryor I could still listen to, but like songs...

Yeah, Live on the Sunset Strip comes on. I could watch that any time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Delirious. Classics. You could watch that. Classics. But some songs, man, like I will listen to.

I remember the first time I heard the Ballad of Curtis Lowe, the Skinner song. I must have listened to that song every day for a month. I mean, every fucking day day i would get in my car that's a fucking beautiful song and that's a leonard skinner song that most people aren't even aware of it's like one of their all-time great songs everybody always brings up sweet home alabama and they call me the breeze all outstanding songs but god damn the ballad of curtis lowe's got some soul to it that's a good one that song's got some beauty man there's beauty to that song it's real it's alive you know that's and that's again

that's a song with not a lot of shit going on. It's just, you know, a guy singing, guitar, some background shit, but not too much. The perfect amount. It's a good song. The perfect amount, just like when you get Everlast in studio. Oh, is it time? Acoustic guitar. Well, before it gets time, I got to say,

I didn't come in last year and do this. I did it the year before, though. It's coming up on that time of year where we're doing our Great Strides walk. The Cystic Fibrosis. Yes, the Cystic Fibrosis walk. It's gonna be in May, but I just tweeted out a link on my Twitter, if you could retweet it.

Fuck yeah, I'll do it right now. You know, it's for our walk. You know, you guys, Joe Rogan and my buddy Jason Ellis, you guys, both of your audience stepped up so big last time beautiful and um and and because i really only asked the two audiences i didn't really do much else and i think last time we got it up to about twenty thousand dollars that's awesome man that's beautiful for the walk that's great you know i'm also uh i'm retweeting that right now ladies and gentlemen online it's done it's up there so go there you know there if you would cystic fibrosis you know you can check it out it's done. It's up there. So go there. Go there if you would. And assistive fibrosis, you can check it out.

It's pulmonary respiratory disease. We've been through it here. My daughter suffers from it. And we're just looking to get it wiped off the books because they're close. And it can be gone. We can get this gone, and I can be in here begging for money for something else. Yeah. Some other good cause.

You know what I mean? Because, you know, like I said, the audiences have stepped up. And, you know, besides just, you know, our friendship, that's one of the reasons I always come back when I leave here. I always, you know, get a lot of love and positive response. That's beautiful, man. It's a nice thing. It's a nice thing. I remember when I actually had quit Twitter and restarted my Twitter the first time I came in.

I had no followers or a couple hundred. I think it's up to 40-something thousand now. I'm going to donate right now. I'm donating right now as your plan. Look at that. As your plan. Like I said, we're going to try something. This is actually something I wrote in Nashville with a couple guys that I don't know if it's ever going to come to fruition or anything.

I'm not sure if it'll ever be on one of my records, but I figured let's try something like that, do something new. I don't even know what this is called. I think this is called It Ain't Easy. I got a heart with a zipper in I got a scar from the stitches in. Got nothing on my hands but time. I'm trying to get another hand. Find a woman that'll understand. I'm waiting on some kind of sign. You know it ain't easy. Sometimes waiting is the hardest part.

It ain't easy. When your whole world keeps falling apart. It ain't easy. Trying to get it right from the very start. It ain't easy. Sometimes waiting is the hardest part On the wall there's a picture frame And I can almost hear her name I need a woman that'll make me kinder I got a wish and a photograph

Of a woman that'll make me laugh I'm worried that I'm never gonna find her Don't waste your time Just take your time. It ain't easy. Sometimes waiting is the hardest part. It ain't easy. When your whole world keeps falling apart.

It ain't easy. Trying to get right from the very start. It ain't easy trying to get right from the very start. It ain't easy. Some time waiting is the hardest part. Okay. Okay Might need a little more work on that one, but Please Stop judging yourself That shit was beautiful

That's all you can do with a new song, though, is judge it You gotta just be like, oh, is this good? Am I working it? Of course you do You have to It's like a joke you're working on Let me try it out here That's what I'm saying

I'm experimenting I don't see what the feedback on it is. I like that they're so similar so I can understand it without knowing anything about music. I can kind of at least appreciate it. I was wondering what I was going to do today. Well, you were doing that other song before. I don't know if I've heard you do that before. Did you do that in studio?

Yeah. Did you ever do that in studio? I feel like you did. I don't think so. Did you do Sex and Candy? No, no. No? No, I know I didn't. Dude. You want to do that in studio? I feel like you did Did you do Sex and Candy? No, I know I didn't You want to do that? This is my version of these songs

When I cover so many songs I just kind of do what I think it is That song was a song that I liked The first few times that it came out I thought it was interesting Because I'd never heard a song like that before Then I kind of grew tired of it. But your version of it is very different.

It's a little bit faster, I think. Well, it's cooler. It's a good song, man. It's a very good song. I like it a lot. It is a good song. It's one I often warm myself up with. Oh, yeah?

But again, this is my version, and if I butcher it up, y'all are just going to have to dig it like that. You know what I mean? Hanging out downtown by myself And I got too much time I'm thinking about myself And there she was Like a double cherry pie There she was

Like a disco superfly I smell sex and candy In the air There she was, like a disco superfly. I smell sex and candy in the air. Who's that lounging in my chair? Who's that casting DV of stairs in my direction? Mama, that surely is a dream. Yeah, mama, that surely is a dream yeah mama surely is a dream hanging out downtown by myself

and I got too much caffeine in me and I'm talking about myself and there she was wearing platform double suede and there she was like a disco lemonade. I smell sex and candy in the air.

Who's that lounging in my chair? Who's that casting TV of stairs In my direction Mama, this surely is a dream Yeah Mama, this surely is a dream

I smell sexy Candy In the air. Who's that lounging in my chair? Who's that casting DVL stares in my direction? Mama, this surely is a dream. Yeah, mama, this surely is a dream. Yeah, mama, this must be my dream.

I could understand the words in that. Like, there's a bunch of the words in that other one where I don't know what the fuck he was saying. Devious stares in my direction. Now I know. I thought it was like beef eater stares in my direction. I messed up a chord in there somewhere. I know I threw a really bad chord in there somewhere. Please. It was beautiful. I kept it moving, so hopefully it worked my direction. I messed up a chord in there somewhere. I know I threw a really bad chord in there somewhere. Please.

It was beautiful. I kept it moving, so hopefully it worked. I love the slang that you have. Yeah, it's like, I smell sex and candy. They're real slow when they do it, too. Like, I smell sex and candy in the air. Yeah, that's real. I think the guy who was singing that song, the original dude, it's a great version.

But it's the version of a man who's trying to get laid. He's trying to be sexy. He's being a little sexy. I'm violent with it. I fuck violent. You'll still get laid. I smell sex and candy in the air. It is a sexy song.

You don't need to try and be sexy with it. That's why I like it so much. That's a fucking sexy song. Imagine what sex and candy would actually smell like, though. That'd be a fucking weird. Gummy bears and yeast infections. I was thinking Snickers bars and bleach. Snickers bars, bleach.

You know that bleachy smell of loads? Especially if you pull out and squirt it all over. There's a bleachy smell to it. Yeah, but gummy bears and yeast infections, you might want to. Gummi bears and yeast infections. You might want to patent that one right there. You might want to move up to a better crowd as well. Definitely stock up on rubbers, I'll tell you what.

Because that shit is catchy. Both gummy bears and yeast infections are both contagious. I don't know Have I ever done ends on the show? Ends? I don't know What is it? I don't think so

I don't think so either Let's try that real quick I'll do one old one Ends Some people will rob their mother Of all the ends Rats snitch on one another for all the ends And sometimes kids get murdered for all the ends

So before we go any further, I'm on my hands I knew this cat named Bill didn't have a dollar, he was Harvard material, I believe Scott had a Ph.D., had an MBA, and now he's waiting table cause this rent to pay. Companies downsizing, inflation rising, can't find a job, he's feeling kind of stressed, don't even feel the effects when he says,got to count how many times he's been blessed So far he's off track, starts smoking crack And once it hits the brain, starts to chain react Sells his shirt off his back, shoes off his feet

He's losing all his teeth, now he's out in the street And all of a sudden he's like Jesse James Trying to stickle kids for they watchers in shame But even business school is nervous with the two And then suppose back in a bloody pool for the ants Some people would rob their mother for ants Rats they snitch on one another for ants And sometimes kids get murdered for ants Rats they snitch on one another for ends

And sometimes kids get murdered for ends So before we go any further, want my hands I knew this chick named Sally, she had a nice strut Never will I when she was up in the cut Swinging that butt like place your aunt here only wrapped in men's that rocked the fly gear brand name wearing a champagne wave jewels on the neck like a stachy crepe ain't no savings doing no spend you do the lending she'll do the bending straight machine vending it's money for tail Shopping sprees, get her on these

Hit her with the keys, the old crib You acting funny, come on one day If I ain't counting out your money From the wetlands all the way To your parlor, if you broke she's spitting If you're rich she might swallow for years Some people would Rob them other for years Some people would rob their mother for hands Rats they snatch on one another for hands So before we go any further, warm my hands. I knew these two homeboys made a lot of noise

Making money on the block, kids were on the jog And they were tougher than leather like a revving run And DMC, they were toting guns And holding weight, going out of state. Sacking mad chips and pushing fair whips. Fly tools and clothes but got no job then. One disappeared and one got robbed for this. Some people would rob their mother for this.

Rats they snatch I want enough for ass And sometimes kids get murdered for ass So before we go any further I want my ass

I said I want my ass Some people will rob their mother for hands. Rats they'll snatch on one arm for hands. Sometimes kids get murdered for hands. Getting murder for the ends. Glorious. Absolutely glorious. Yeah, I never heard that acoustic version before. I don't think I pull it out a lot.

Because that midsection where I go, I feel like it just loses something when I go to the bridge without an accompanist. But it sounded all right right there. It's weird, you know, because you've got all these things going on in your mind when it's just you and a guitar. When you've got a band to lean on, it's like you can fuck up a little bit more. There's no guy. Eric Clapton throws an occasional brick on stage, but you don't know it because he's a master and because he's got masters around him. That's interesting.

I never even thought about it. I throw a lot more bricks than that. I build houses on stage, man. I never even thought about that. But yeah, that must, when you have a bunch of people also playing the same, it's harder to catch them. Well, think about your jokes.

How many times do you stumble into it a different way every night? You know, it's never exactly the same. The rhythm changes because you're dealing with elements so when you're on stage do you ever like free ball do you ever in the middle of a song you just decide to like riff a little bit um not really because you know I'm I'm a songwriter so I'm a I want to say slave to my songs but egotistically I'm

a slave to my songs I love my songs songs. But, I mean, I always encourage my guys, when I'm playing with a full band, to stay true to my song but live and breathe in it. In other words, go ahead. If you feel a little here, a little there, it's going to compliment. I'm not a nut about, like, that lick you pulled on the third bar of the second section. It's not like that. It's rock and roll. It's not Beethoven. You know what I mean? As long as we're all partying and having fun and everybody's feeling it

that's what what's what you're going for do you study old classical shit like beethoven or um i wouldn't call it study listen yeah listen for ideas and you know things because it all stems from that you know i mean i mean i I wouldn't call myself, you know, a master of the knowledge of the history of music or anything, but, you know, I try to, you know, know where the roots, I mean, all rock and roll, the blues, everything kind of stems from that era of all that classical writing and then the mixture of, like, when slaves came to America with that and gospel and, you know, and classical all kind of formed.

And then you turned into jazz and rock and roll, and everything since. And blues. Blues came here, right? Yeah, blues. To my knowledge, blues is American. It's an American thing built out of exactly what I'm saying. The era of the slave times and the period right thereafter, you know what I mean? It was the combination of field songs and church music and this learning of other musics too. But that's basically where the blues comes from.

It's interesting. I wonder, it must be like the the and everything since comes from that from the blues blues and jazz the pain and suffering of the slaves i mean that had to be the the origins of it right i mean you would have to imagine there's a lot of you know beautiful music and stuff that definitely came out of that yeah right i mean i mean it's like you know out of that yeah right i mean i mean it's like you know i i in my personally in no way comparing my pain in life to slave pain of back in the days but i'm saying my experience in writing is my better stuff even songs that are happier songs i write when i'm not feeling that happy you know what i mean which is like if you're saying there's a lot of joyful slave songs you know what i mean

that get sung it's because you know i would imagine it's so dark as it is, you don't need another dark song. Let's take that darkness and turn it on its ass, you know what I mean? Yeah, find a way to find joy. Take that frown and turn it upside down. Hey, kids. Lessons from OG Everlast. Yeah. I'm still taking lessons, man.

You ever try to put yourself back in the Beethoven days and imagine what it would have been like trying to create music back then? I don't know if I would have been able to live long enough to tolerate some of the smells that probably existed back then, dude. Beethoven's ass. When I watch those old shows, it's weird that my mind goes places like this. I used to watch that HBO show Rome, and there was an episode that literally

where they went like to the outdoor shitters having a conversation together and like wipe their ass with like what looked like leather cloths and i was just like how awful this like those cities must have stunk like of just human disgusting feces and nastiness man how i mean even the rich people must have stunk to high heaven, man. Yeah, everybody stunk. I couldn't imagine what the streets must have smelled like. I mean, didn't they have an issue with that? You know what?

You've been to Venice, right? No, never been to Venice. I've been to Venice, California. No, Venice, Italy. You can kind of get a gist if you go to Venice. I'm sorry. I stepped off the mic to put this down without it falling. The case

can fall, not the guitar. But in Venice, like every other third, fourth canal you walk by is like a sewage canal, and it's like, it's bad. It seemed like that to me, I could be wrong, but there's quite a few, like, they're not the main walkways, but when you cut

through a couple main walkways, you'll walk through like these things that seem to be sewer canals. Unless the day I was there, it was just a really bad day for them, but I think they were sewer canals. But you can kind of get like, wow, every street probably smelled like this way back in the day in Rome and here. Imagine New York in the 1800s, man. Oh, yeah. Imagine that. It smells now. Gang in New York days. This smells, man. Oh, yeah. Like, imagine that. It smells now.

Gang in New York days. This smell now is like, imagine it then. Like on the five corners where the whole Gangs of New York shit was going on. All that just dead bodies in the street. Yeah, that Gangs of New York shit was pretty wild. It's hard to imagine that that was really going on back then. That they, you know, we think of New York as always being like a normal city, but ruthless violence back then. Ruthless.

So the water systems of Imperial Rome, they had like this whole system of getting rid of their waste. But they did a terrible job of it. People got sick as fuck. I mean, better than probably you or i would have figured out but many ways it was the highest point of sewage management that's really interesting and other public works in the ancient world famous for public baths and latrines with quite complex engineering rome also excelled excelled in the use of covered drains for storm water and sewage with some houses connected directly to the drainage system.

So if you were rich, you could shit in that river hole. You had a hole and just drop a dookie and it'll flow away. Wow. Yeah, they tried. They tried to figure it out. Even if they were the best at it at the time, it probably still was one of the worst smells ever. Well, think about how long Rome was around, too.

I mean, how long was Rome around before shit went bad and the Colosseum fell apart and it became what it is now? I mean, the Rome-Rome, the old days, the Colosseum-Rome. When we think of Rome, we think of the Roman Empire. They probably rocked it for several hundred years, many, many, many years. I think they had a good 500-year run, maybe. Let's find out.

I would say maybe 1,000. How long was the Roman Empire? How long? I thought that's kind of where the saying, there is no 1,000-year empire, came from. Maybe it was just short of 1,000. Maybe that's why. I could be way off.

It seems plausible, Rome, when you think about our history and how many stages of it Rome played into. Yeah. Well, definitely a few hundred years, right? Easily. But if you look at, like, the United States, we've had a pretty good goddamn run. Yeah, we're working on 250. Yeah, and from the time we were really running shit in the wild... I mean, a thousand is plausible.

I just automatically in my brain, I know that saying, And I was like, maybe that's why that's there. This is too hard to figure out while also doing a podcast. But it looks like several hundred at the very least. It's hard to tell. How many Caesars? A gang of these motherfuckers. You know, that's one of the things that I love about this Game of Thrones show. Is you really get a chance to see, besides all the fantasy stuff and dragons and shit,

you really get a chance to see what it must have been like back then when there were real kings that actually fucked and killed people. And the fact that kings were also not, they weren't kings of countries. They were basically like kings of counties when you look at it.

They had their spot and they had all the land around them and those people worked for them on their land and they took care of those people. And they were the king of those people. The king in the north. Yeah. They could be like the king of Van Nuys and the king of Woodland Hills.

Yeah, right. And the king of Reseda. Especially when you're on horses. Right? You could be king of Thousand Oaks. It's just too far. Yeah, no. What, are you going to get all the way out to Thousand Oaks and run shit? Come on, son. I was already a king in Thousand Oaks. It's just too far. Yeah, no. What, are you going to get all the way out to Thousand Oaks and run shit?

Come on, son. There's already a king in Thousand Oaks. Don't you know that? There's already a king out there. He's going to go to battle with the king of Oxnard. Yeah. The king of Oxnard is pissed the king of Thousand Oaks. Don't fuck with that Simi Valley king, man.

That's a different king. They're ranch kings. They have more livestock. All we think is King Arthur, man. No, kings were like just dirty mother... They're landlords, man. That's all they were. It was fucking apartment, like slumlord owners.

That's what kings were for the most part. Well, you could usurp a king too, right? You could like... That's the whole thing about Conan the Barbarian. Yeah, I think that's all that goes on on Game of Thrones is the usurping of kings. Yeah. That Conan the Barbarian shit was all about usurping. It was all about...

Well, the first book or something was called Conan the Usurper. Exactly. One of the first books, yeah. Books. We're talking books, man. We're not talking the movies. Robert E. Howard, folks. You want to talk about a tortured dude.

That was a tortured dude. Wound up blowing his fucking brains out. Just lived with his mom, I think, to the day he died. He was in his 30s, massively depressed. It was like, I'm out of here. Boom! That Conan was probably his whole universe. Well, the writing of Conan certainly... I mean, he had a lot of health issues the dude and i think you

know he really romanticized and and felt connected to this idea of this unbelievably virile and masculine alpha fucking predator man word cut his path through this ancient world with a sword and fucking stood up to sorcerers and shit and cut their fucking heads off exactly he wanted to be conan and when he knew it wasn't happening he's like all right i wrote enough boom see ya hey man you know some people you know it's weird it's like sometimes we look on that as like tragic but then like you look at it like i was watching the uh uh buy a ticket Take the Ride the other day. I was just about to bring that up. And how so much it's so tragic, but somehow we look at Hunter and we say, you know what?

He made his choice, man. And that's what his choice was. And he lived a long life. And it's like, why can't that guy have been that guy? Hey, why does it have to be Trey? Maybe he just decided. Yeah. From the living's perspective, I understand why we all look at it that way, like, oh, no, that's the last thing we ever want.

But, hey, maybe that guy, you're right. Maybe he just said, like, you know what? I'm never going to be fucking Conan. Fuck this. Yeah. And just was like, you know, I'm not aware of his story, but if he was health problems and was ridden with health problems and all that stuff, hey, fuck yeah, man. I think Dr. Kevorkian was a hero. I'm one of those guys.

I'm with you. I think people are suffering, especially if people are in the last days of life. There's nothing can bring them back. I mean, most countries in the world have, not most countries, but many, many advanced countries have doctors that can do things like that and they can help people. Am I talking on my ass? I believe that's true. I think assisted suicide is more common in other parts of the world. Yeah, you can be. have doctors that can do things like that and they can help people am i talking on my ass i believe

that's true i think assisted suicide is more common in other parts of the world yeah i watched it i watched a thing on it assisted suicide throughout the world it was a crazy little two-man thing i think it came from a play it was on hbo it was samuel l jackson uh my wife just texted me email is blowing up with donations Tell Joe thank you for his donation Thank all of you Not just Joe Thank all of you All of you

You don't even know I mean I can't I can never As a parent of a child with cystic fibrosis I can never express the gratitude that's in my heart For what everybody has done So even up to now If nobody did anything again

People have stepped up in ways that I never imagined in my life. That's awesome, man. Strangers and friends. So thanks to all of you. It's changed me as a person. It made me look at things differently with a more grateful sense of life. And when you can get caught up when you have a child with these kind of problems, you can easily get caught in a downward spiral. And people are what keep you out of that.

That's beautiful, man. It is, it is nice when you find out that the world isn't just filled with shitheads. It really isn't. And, but they want to convince us all that it is,

you know, just like they want us all to be afraid of the guy with the gun outside. You know, every time you turn on the news, it's the same with like, people are good. People want to be good for the most part. I believe that.

And I always will. There's a lot of them. That's for sure. Are there a lot of assholes too? Sure. Sure. But you know what? Joe Rogan and his peoples have shown me that there's a better way to react to those people.

Yeah. There's a way that you can get through this life where you have the least amount of conflict. And that's the way that you should choose. And I've done both. I've been involved in a lot of conflicts and I've the way that you should choose and i've i've done both i've been involved in a lot of conflicts and i've been involved in a little conflict and the little is way better way better it's way way easier to get mine usually you get old enough you figure that out yeah it's also you realize like how you become more sensitive to how bad it feels

when you do get involved in conflict that you could have avoided that, that feeling of having done something stupid and avoidable, that gnawing feeling in the back of your brain, that's not a good feeling to have. Not at all. And then there's the occasion when you may hurt somebody or whether it be physically, mentally, whatever, you know, that's, I'm, I have as much, I'm as big of a dick as I've been in my life at times, I have this big heart that has a lot of, I can feel, even for a guy I hate, I can feel. You know what I mean? Like, oh, man, that's, I still wish I didn't punch him in his face or didn't do that, whatever that was. You know what I mean? I know what you mean.

You know, the older I get, the more, the kids did a lot of that for me, too. You know, seeing, like, minor things happen where i'd get a little upset and see how it would affect my child like oh my god i can't let this affect my child you know i mean i gotta learn how to process things differently yeah that's a big difference in the amount of patience that you need when you raise a child and the way you i also started looking at everybody as a baby that's the one of the weird things that happened when i started raising babies from a baby to a person i'd met babies before but I'd never been there from the jump. You know, I never seen the whole process. And when you see the whole process, there's some weird recognition

that happened in my brain where everyone that I saw everywhere in life, no matter how fucked up they are, no matter how I recognize them as an originally a baby like homeless people freak me out because of that it doesn't necessarily freak me out because uh you know i feel like i should save them or i i accept their fate i you know i accept the fact there's just too many people to to fix but i also see them as babies i see them as babies that just got a shit roll the dice terrible parents bad circumstance and then everything else that comes after that, which led them to this position. Whether it's insanity or whether it's drug addiction or whatever the fuck it is, crime, whatever it is that brought them to the place where you find them now. They start out as babies.

That's a real mind fuck. And when I apply that mind fuck to human beings, I have way more compassion to people. Well, it's going to be stuck in my head now. It really changed my world, man. It changed my world. It really was a paradigm shift. I mean, it's not that I'm always completely consistent with it. I think all of us are dealing with a bunch of different pressures and stresses.

And you can catch someone one day. I have friends that are always jovial and great to be around then you catch dude the wrong day and everything is just short and can't handle this and just fucking i gotta get out of here and then you see him the next day oh sorry about yesterday man i you know i'm bugging i just quit smoke cigarettes or i lost my dog or whatever it is. You catch them in that bad spot where they just got this. But for the most part, I think we're dealing with people today that know the benefits of being nice more than anybody that's ever known it, more than anybody ever. Because the only people that you had in your life like 100 years ago were the people that were in your life physically.

There was very few representations of life outside of the people that you got in contact with. You could read some books, but you really couldn't talk to those dudes. You can kind of get a sense of how they were living their life. But what did you see in front of you? Well, that's what you're going to base your shit on. Not today, man. Not today. Today it's a totally different world. Today, a dude could listen to Everlast talk on a podcast about life and then contemplate

that shit for the rest of his day. And then tomorrow, wake up with this new way of looking at the world because they've just been thinking about something that you said. They're like, God damn it. He's got a fucking point. If I did that maybe i would be happier if i just did that maybe life would be better if i just did that maybe i would get a better handle on who the fuck i am and that's that's never existed before it's never been possible before it happened for me here one of the few things one of the reasons i dig talking to you and hanging out with you so much, because I get, that happens to me, I'd say, at least every other time. I'll leave here with something. It may not be earth-shattering or life-changing, but it'll be something that I'll be able to chew on for a while.

You know what I mean? Well, that's where we get those. We get those from talking to each other. And we get those from people that we also know are thinking about shit. Like, you're thinking about shit living as you. I'm thinking about shit living as me. We come together, and then you say something, and I'm like, oh, okay, I see where this motherfucker's coming from.

Oh, yeah, wow. And then, you know, maybe you'll influence something that, you know, add to an idea that I had had or add to a thought that I was working on, and then someone else will come in next week, and they'll say something crazy, too, and then that adds will come in next week, and they'll say something crazy too, and then that adds to it too. And then you repeat it on the podcast,

and people start tweeting it, and then it becomes a thought that gets shared with who knows how many people, hundreds of thousands. That's crazy. I almost just really now had a vision of the entire human race as a brain. And that, what you're saying, being like a thought starting to travel through it what kind of is in a lot of ways i mean it's it's not not a brain necessarily

but a system an organized system of thinking that's what i mean metaphorically what'd you say operating system yeah similar but more so an organism than an operating system because an operating system can be dormant you can just shut it off and it sits there This thing is a system. It's a living thinking system And that's why when I say like people to think that the federal government has a handle on things Nobody's got a handle on this. This is out of everyone's control What you're dealing with right now is massively accelerated human evolution human evolution of thinking and culture that's going on an unprecedented scale. So fast that we can't recognize it while it's happening to us. And at the same time, technology is

moving in this impossible to catch direction. It's out of everyone's hand. Now it's growing itself and unless we get hit by an asteroid or Yellowstone blows or something, something that wipes out most of the people on the planet, we have to start with the cast of swamp people. You know, the cast of those gator hunters from Swamp People, them and the narrator. They're the only people left in life. Unless that happens,

unless something that fucking catastrophic happens. I could live in that world. Good, you live in the swamp people. I could live in that world, dude. When I go watch Swamp People, I think which of those women I would fuck. After a while, all of them. But those swamp women,

they need fucking subtitles and they're speaking English. They're living in America, speaking English, and everything they say has subtitles. Yeah, the king of the swamp has always got the subtitles going on.

It's that Creole accent thing going on. Because it's like that Creole thing is a whole different world down there, man. The real deal. You know what I mean? When you get back in those people, when you live back in them woods, it's a different life. Yeah, that French thing. Yeah. What was that fucking movie?

There was a movie where a bunch of dudes. Okay, Brian, help me on this. Okay. There was a movie. God damn of dudes okay Brian help me on this there was a movie god damn it was it Burt Reynolds was it it wasn't deliverance was deliverance no no there was a movie about Creoles and dudes that got crazy and shot at some dude they thought it was fun and they shot at some dude in the swamp and then the those people started hunting them was it wait wait wait wait was it uh uh was it like army and training in the swamp yes yeah i can't remember the name i know the movie you're talking about yes they were

they were reserves they were reserved army reserves they were training in the in the louisiana swamp and they took a shot at it. I remember that movie. That was crazy. Please, people. Oh, what was the name of that movie? Tweet the name of that fucking movie. I know you people know what that movie is. Somebody's got it out there. They'll find it.

That's going to make me crazy if we don't get that answer. We will get that. We will get that. I guarantee you we will get that. I can see it with the ponchos and the things. Southern Comfort. Southern Comfort. That's it.

Goddamn, that's a good movie. Who is in Southern Comfort? I'm Netflixing that bitch tonight, man. I am too. That got me scared as fuck. Those fucking badass hillbillies. Yeah, you don't fuck around. That's like them hillbillies, man.

1981. That made me think of that Patrick Swayze movie with the hillbillies. It's only got a 7.2 on the IMDb. How dare you? How dare you? That was greatness. That was a good movie. This is a Walter Hill movie. Oh, shit. That's That was a good movie. This is a Walter Hill movie.

Oh, shit. That's incredible. I didn't know that was a Walter Hill movie. Holy shit. Wow, Walter Hill did Aliens, right? I thought Aliens was... No, that's Ridley Scott, right? Yeah, that's Ridley Scott.

Wasn't he involved in it? I think he was involved in it somehow. Possibly. Yes, he is. Was he... He was... Does it say Aliens? Yeah. Yes, he is. Was he? He was. Does it say Aliens? Yeah.

Maybe a producer or something like that? Like that. Aliens was John Carpenter, right? Didn't John Carpenter direct it? I thought it was Ridley Scott, man. Alien, right? Oh, Aliens. You're talking about, is that the second one?

Yeah. I don't know. Okay, it was originally meant to direct Alien. He was originally meant to direct Alien, but he didn't. Oh, he's a producer in Alien. Is he? Yep. Okay.

So really, Scott did direct the Aliens. I thought he did the first two. He also did Hard Times with Charles Bronson's son. Hard Times. That's a strong movie. Did he produce it or direct it? I don't know what he did, but he worked with Charles Bronson on Hard Times. It just says it here. It's a quote

where he's talking about working with Charles Bronson. Oh, I see. There's a list of movies he's directed, but yeah. Okay. Shitload. 48 Hours, Brewster's Millions, Crossroads, Red Heat, Johnny Handsome, another 48 Hours. Johnny Handsome? Is that Michael...

Mickey Rourke. Mickey Rourke? Yeah. Oh, I remember him. The deformed dude. They robbed banks or something like that. Really? Robbed banks? I think it was banks they robbed.

Wow. So Southern Comfort, man. Yeah. I remember as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, I know what you're talking about. I mean, that's a good drink, too. You ever drink SoCo? Yeah. Dude, I drank Wild Turkey.

I've been doing shots of Wild Turkey lately. That's a little too much, man. I'm a Jack Daniels guy. That's like Jack Daniels on steroids. No, that's what happened to me. I got so sick with Jack Daniels, so I switched to Turkey, and it almost killed me. Because it's 101 at most bars, too. Yeah.

Because they always have the 101. That shit's very, very, very strong. Yeah. Keith Carradine, Powers Booth. Remember Powers Booth? Yeah. Because they always have the one-on-one. That shit's very, very, very strong. Yeah. Keith Carradine, Powers Booth. Remember Powers Booth? Yeah. And Fred Ward, son. Remo Williams. Whatever happened to Remo Williams,

the adventure begins. Remo Williams is a bad motherfucker. It never continued. Koreans got a big boost because of Remo Williams. The little man was the man. He was the man, dude. It would fuck people up with his fingertips. That whole thing on the Statue of Liberty. Yeah.

A squad of National Guard in an isolated Louisiana swamp must fight for their lives when they angle local Cajuns by stealing their canoes. Oh, that's what it was. They got separated or lost or something, a certain group of them, and they did that. They did shoot at somebody, though. They shot at somebody, and one of them killed them. One of them shot one of their boys, and then it was on. Yeah.

I remember that. That was a good movie. I remember liking that movie. I was pretty young, though. I'm going to re-watch it, see if it holds up. That was a very good movie. And then another fucking good movie that is kind of cliche is Deliverance, another similar movie.

That's when Burt Reynolds was a bad motherfucker. Yeah. I put up a link on my Twitter the other day of a 70-year-old bodybuilder. Pull this fucking clip. Pull this clip.

You won't believe this. Just do YouTube, 70-year-old bodybuilder, this black dude, and all I could think of is I watched that show Fast and Loud. You ever watch that show Fast and Loud? No, I don't. Car guys.

They build cars. And the guy, Bill Burr, has a really funny bit. I don't know if it's a bit, but he talks about it really funny. They're always buying cars off people and then fixing them up and reselling them. And the guy's always like, how much do you want for the car? And the guy's like, $5,000. Five? Man.

Man, I was hoping you were going to say two. And then they, you know, anyway, they go and they build this smoking the bandit car, one of those old school Trans Ams. They go to visit Burt Reynolds at his home to get him to sign the car. Dude, Burt Reynolds is only 78 years old. Okay, so he's only eight years older than this guy who's in this video, Lifting Weights. And Burt Reynolds looks like he's dying. Look at this guy!

This motherfucker's 70. Back that up, back that up. Play that back again. Hold on, you gotta see the beginning of it. Look at this guy's body. This motherfucker is 70 years old. Are you shitting me? He's doing deadlifts.

He's fucking 70. He's 70. 7-0. I mean, his face looks kind of 70-ish. But goddamn, son. That dude's chiseled. I don't care if he's on... If you saw him in street, I'd put him 50-ish. And a hardcore 50, too.

Like, you're a bad motherfucker for 50. Meanwhile, he's 70. Wow. Just swole to the gills. Burt Reynolds is only eight years older than this guy. And when Burt Reynolds was in his driveway, he looked so bad. He was hunched over. See if you could pull up Burt Reynolds on Fast and Loud. See if there's a YouTube clip of it online anywhere.

But it was so depressing, man, because I was a huge fan of Burt Reynolds when I was a kid he you know deliverance especially that was a fucking phenomenal movie that was his first Hooper Hooper that's right of course Smokey and the Bandit those were fun movies man when I found out that he was the sharky's machine that's right with that hot Italian bitch who was that hot Italian get domino or something like that? Wasn't that her name? She was a prostitute he fell in love with, and he was just a cop. I forget.

Some crazy shit. You find it anywhere? It's sad, man. Look at him. There he is. Back it up a little bit so you can see him. I mean, they didn't show too much of him, I think, because they were trying to not depress everybody. But he's like got this cane and he's, he looks

so, so old, man. It's weird. And they had him at the area. It's looking. Last time I looked, yeah. Is that my car? Well, it could be. I'm in the business of selling cars. How you doing, sir? Richard Rawlings. Hi, Richard. Nice to see you. I like your show. Right on. Thank you, sir. Very nice to see you. Bert Ehrenkoff. Nice to see you. I like your show. Right on. Thank you, sir. Very nice to see you. Bert Ehrenkofer.

Nice to meet you. Hi, Aaron. I'm really excited to be here. He's got the hunch. He came by the other day, and I could see you. He got it in, though, dude. Yeah. Bert got it in. No doubt.

That's wear and tear he put on those bones. You know what I mean? Well, he was a football player when he was young, and I know he had some serious back injury, too, right? Didn't he? It looks like he just got too many blowjobs and he's stuck. He's stuck in that curl, that orgasm curl. Oh, shit.

God damn. How much pussy and cocaine that body has run through. Yeah. Oh, he did. Yeah, he had some pretty serious back injuries in the 2000s. Yeah, poor guy, man. It's hard. It's hard.

He was trying to pick up Lonnie Anderson's titties. That's heavy. Wasn't that his chick for a long time? Oh, he had a pill addiction. That's it. That's where it is, man. Yeah. That shit will rob you of your fucking vitality quicker than anything.

Yeah, he had back surgery, and then he got addicted to pills after the back surgery. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, if you can avoid it, if there's any way to avoid it, don't get your back operated on. I mean, sometimes you have to do it, but always do it and take it from me personally. I was advised to get back surgery and I went against it and now I don't have any back pain anymore. I cured it up totally. I had numb fingers, pain throughout my ulnar nerve, down through my elbow, everything. And I was seriously thinking about it because if they cut you, you know, you heal up in a couple of months, whatever. And you're, you know, you don't have any pain anymore. All that numbness is gone. The bulging disc is sticking. But there's other ways to go about some of them, not all of them, but some of those injuries, there's other ways to go about it. But so many doctors want to cut you right away.

They just want to cut you. And I know not everybody can go through all this shit that I went to rehab it. I'm well aware that I have the kind of free time that allows me to seek out different kinds of therapy and get traction and get one of those things in my house that I hang by my ankles and hang by my neck from a doorway but when I see people that have had surgeries man it seems to work out bad so often

so many and obviously a back injury is fucking bad period if you got some shit that's fucking with your spine that's not good period no matter what whether it's an injury or whether it's a surgery it's like that whole area is just so delicate going in there and cutting it and that's that was a there's another recent article about pill addiction about how many people who go in for like some serious surgery and then get on some pills because the doctor prescribes it for them how many people have like real withdrawals? Super common. Like most people get through it, but real common that they have a hard time.

I'm not unsympathetic to that, but it's also this. It's these people use the pills beyond the need for them. All right. Because I was on Dilaudid, which is like that drugstore cowboy. Yeah. What they all freaked up. That's the shit of all shit.

And I remember being in the hospital for my heart surgery afterwards and learning I was on this machine. They had me on this machine that I could medicate myself every so often, and your brain starts to hear when it clicks over that you know when you can hit it again. And I would always, you know what I mean? It was unbelievable. And then I remember asking what it was and Drugstore Cowboy happens to be

one of my favorite movies of all time so when they told me Dilaudid I was like oh shit I'm fucked I'm fucked I literally was like in the hospital thinking I'm fucked cause this feels good and I know as soon as I get out of here I'm gonna want more of this shit and I expressed a concern to the doctor

and the doctor told me look as long as you're using pain medication to to actually mask pain you can't get addicted to it it's the minute you use it and that pain isn't it's not to control the pain like if you it's hard to explain what he's the way he told me but that's basically the layman's terms of it is like as long as it's really masking actual pain you you're not going to get addicted to it. It's when the pain gets a little less, but you still think, oh, let me just take a little edge off it, and you stay on that same strength painkiller instead of weaning yourself off. That's why you should be monitored the whole time if you're taking pain medications.

I don't believe in them sending you home with an army of fucking pills. First of all, you can mess up just in your sleep. If you had a little pain, you took a pill earlier, but you're a little loopy, and you don't know you took that pill. Next thing you know, you're taking three of them a night. Sometimes accidentally you get hooked on them. But some people just say, like, these feel so good, and I'm so comfortable on my fucking couch. Let me keep taking them because I got 30 extras that I don't need.

Yeah. You know what I mean? They're so quick to fucking pass those bitches out. Oh, yeah. Some doctor's offices, too. I went to a great doctor for my nose. I had a deviated septum repaired, and I had no fucking pain. When I tell you no pain, I'm not trying to be a tough guy.

When it was over, there was nothing. I'm sure while he was cutting me, if I was awake, it would have hurt like fucking shit. But after it was over there was not much it was a little swollen and weird But he gave me two fucking painkiller prescriptions two for two different things. I had my wisdom teeth pulled same kind of thing Excellent doctor, right? He prescribed me like 60 vicodins the next day. I was eating burritos It was like wow This is I was expecting this worst pain in my life Everybody told me this is gonna be the worst thing ever the wisdom teeth getting pulled was I was I was eating burritos. It was like, wow, this is, I was expecting this worst pain in my life. Everybody told me this was going to be the worst thing ever. The wisdom teeth getting pulled was, I was, I was prepared for hell. And I woke up the next day, but was like, this is great.

And I literally had those pills in my, in my cabinet forever until I figured out, and this was like 20 something years ago, that a half a Vicodin and a glass of whiskey is a good time for a while you know what i mean and so i came very close to becoming like kind of strung out there on pills until i caught myself literally like wait a minute this is getting out of hand i'm and i was able to just you know i was i luckily have that kind of personality i've never been a really super addictive personality so i've been able to recognize a few times when i got close to like this could get out of hand. Yeah, luckily, man.

I told people, like, I smoked crack once. What was that like? It was bananas. It was, like, the craziest, greatest rush for, like, 35, 40 seconds. Yeah? And then it was gone, and it was, like, I wanted more. And a guy I used to live with was a crack, I won't even call him a dealer, a seller. He just kind of sold it. He wasn't even dealing because he wasn't even doing very well with crack, I won't even call him a dealer, a seller. He just kind of sold it.

He wasn't even dealing because he wasn't even doing very well with crack, and that's what, you know, I don't even understand. So, like, one night I was just kind of chipped off a piece, and I smoked some crack, man. I was curious, man. But I recognized right away, yo, I know why people lose their lives behind this shit in their homes. Didn't you smoke crack?

Yeah. What was that like? I didn't like it. I thought it was just, it smelled weird. The smell is off-putting, yeah. The taste is not good, but like the rush I got from it,

I was like, whoa, for like a few, and literally 30 seconds, and then it was kind of like gone, but you wanted it to happen again, and I was just like, nah, I ain't fucking going there again, man. It was, I'd rather,

I remember thinking I'd rather do cocaine, because it like took, we took our cocaine and made crack. And I forget how they do it, like baking soda. That was freebase. You did it? You did it with your friends?

That's freebasing. I mean, crack is just automatic pre-made freebase. That's basically what crack is. A freebase. What's the difference between crack and freebase? Nothing. No difference at all? They figured out a better way, an easier, cheaper way to make the freebase.

You had to have ether and all this other shit. I don't know. Was it Freeway Rick Ross? Have you ever had him in? Fuck yeah. We had him on a couple times. That's right. I was going to say.

It sounds familiar. I don't know if he's the guy who actually invented the way they make crack on the stove, but he's one of the early pioneers of it. Well, he's certainly one of the early pioneers of the business aspect of it. Hell yeah, dude. He talks about the money that he made during the glory days. But the government isn't doing that, right, Joe? No, the government wouldn't have anything to do with that.

That's why the government was not involved in selling drugs in the inner cities of Los Angeles to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. They weren't doing that. Despite what Oliver North said, Congress proved. Who got, how'd they find out that they were selling drugs? It was all in that

Oliver North scandal. Yeah. It revolved around that. And Rick Ross was the guy. Rick Ross was the fucking guy who was in charge of all that shit

in Los Angeles. Well, it's your audience so they already know. I don't have to qualify that it's not the rapper who stole his identity. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy, dog.

50 Cent did the same thing, just his drug dealer's dead. Really? Yeah, 50 Cent is a famous, famous drug dealer in New York. No shit. Yes, absolutely. Did you know that? I think I did, yes. No shit.

Well, Jay-Z is a guy named Jazzo, right? Who is a hood. No, Jazzo, I think that was his partner. Like there used to be a rapper, Jazzo, and Jay-Z was his DJ way back in the day. Oh, see, I had thought it was that Jazzo. I don't know much about if they were drug dealing and whatnot back then. I'm not hip to that part. But they had a hit, like Jazzo had a song way back called Hawaiian Sophie.

Hawaiian Sophie. It was like big at the time. It was like for the era, it was a hit for sure. He was supposed to be a really good rapper too, right? He still probably is. There's a lot of guys

that have slipped through the cracks that people slipped on. I mean, regardless of... Cool G rap? I'm sure Jay, even at this point, would acknowledge that some of his beginnings

come from Jazzo's styles of rap. Well, everybody gets influenced by somebody else. Absolutely. Everybody. I mean, I always give up my influences. Boston comedians, Kennison, like without all those people that I was influenced by. Jazz O is actually, you know that song, ain't no nigga like the one I got.

He sings, I believe, he's the guy singing in the hook. No one can do it better. If he's not the guy actually singing it in the video, that's him. Really? Yeah, yeah. What about Big Daddy Kane? He's still around, man. Can't do it better If he's not the guy Actually singing it In the video That's him Really Yeah yeah What about Big Daddy Kane He's still around man He's doing

Yo Big Daddy Kane Ain't making records But I'll tell you like this As far as rap shows go I guarantee you He's still putting on One of the best rap shows around

Really So he just does The old like classics Does all his classics But it's like He still has his dancers They have They do like a classic

Like I would call it Like almost like a Vegas If there was a hip hop Vegas act Kind of thing It's kind of that But not cheesy in any way But like there's a classic Classicality

Is that a word? To it Like the two dancers It's like an era He represents it And it's a great show Dude how about EPMD That's another band

You don't hear about anymore Yeah Well they had a lot of internal problems And broke up And got back together And broke up Yeah I like

EPMD, first of all, because whenever a dude's a badass rapper and also has a speech impediment and is a badass rapper. Eric Thurman? Yeah, he's got a lisp and just spitting dope rhymes with no apologies for his lisp. Nope. And it's good, dude.

Well, the first one to do that was Cool G Rap. Cool G Rap was great. Cool G Rap. He had the craziest lisp of all. He had the craziest lisp of all. Did he really have a lisp? He had a crazy lisp, man. I didn't know he had a lisp.

Do you ever hear Open Anthony talk about Michael Bublé's lisp? That's the best. Because every single song he talks like this. And Open Anthony put it down like this song. The guy who does all the standards and stuff? Yeah. I didn't know the Cool G Rap had a list Pull up a Cool G Rap song

Talk like sex Pull up Cockblockin' That's one of my favorite ones Pull up Cool G Rap Cockblockin' He's got a great song about Trying to bang this chick and her son is cockblockin' All sorts of Remember that? Cool G rap was one of my favorites

something he just fell off i don't know what happened hey just you know it's like one of them things it's just it was an era and it you know yeah but hip-hop is like one of them it's a youth sport you know what i mean that's what i try to tell me why did you why you ain't rapping like you see i still rhyme i put it in my songs i work it into what I do, my version of hip-hop and stuff. But to chase the adoration of the youth that buys hip-hop right now is ridiculous for me because I'm a 44-year-old man.

QG Rap and DJ Polo. Yeah. Operation Sasson. It's called Operations? Operation CB. This action usually results in broken friendships. The following... This is for the S's. It's called Operations? Operation CB. This is for the S's. Yeah, brings back memories. on a TV set. Get paid. Hit the scans. Get some pussy. Get your dick wet. All right, back, because my dick is hard as hell.

Brings back memories. The bitches ringing on my bell. This is great. You don't hear the list? No. Here, take a seat. I'll introduce you to my friend. Now, everything is doing the court. I'm playing your jakes. This is Debbie. Debbie, this is Jakes, my man. It's a crazy list, man. It's a great song, man. This dude is like one of the revolutionaries of style

and rap. Like, Cool G Rap, KRS-One, and Big Daddy Kane really changed rap. And Chuck D. Oh, yeah. Because before that, it was like the Run DMC, kind of just straight cadences. And these guys all had these different styles that they started working in. And that's where a lot of everybody else started branching out and realizing like there was more than one way to rhyme and one way to rap. Like Cool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, and Chuck D.

They're the forefathers of everything that goes on lyrically now. I agree. And I feel like there's something missing. Like a lot of people want to do this sort of hip-hop. Hip-hop has changed in a lot of ways today where there's a lot of stuff that they're calling hip-hop that almost seems like dance music to me that's what it is it's it's hip-hop has been you know it's been co-opted man by the money you know i mean the money there was there was money around back when these songs were being made but it wasn't ridiculous money that could...

It wasn't millions and billions. It was thousands. You know what I mean? We were getting thousands of dollars back in the day thinking, like, we're balling, man! I got a Nissan Sentra and a gold rope, motherfucker. What's the first shit you bought? What's the first shit you bought when you started getting paid? Probably a gold chain from the Sloss and Swap

meet. Vortex bomb. Vortex bomb? Vortex bomb? What's that? Remember the bongs, the vortex bongs? You had the tattoo of the vortex clown. Graphics, I'm sorry. Graphics. Okay, there you go.

Yeah, it's not a graphics clown. It's just I still have that. I drew that when I was like 21. Yeah, it reminded me of it. It looks like Eddie. It's so old now. It's kind of like Eddie's face with a clown hat on. I'm going to get Aaron De La Vadova to

finish the Musashi and figure out what to put at the top. He's the same guy who's done both of my arms. I just got to get this bitch lasered off. It's done. It's light. You can go over that, dude. Yeah, I don't want to, though. He prefers not to. Aaron likes to have a clean slate. He's a perfectionist. He doesn't

like to have to draw some shit that he doesn't want to draw just because there's some old ink there. He's like, it's no big deal. Just get it lasered a couple times. He's like, it's pretty old. It'll get off pretty quick. Then you wait three months and then get to work. I just have to design or rather come up with the idea and send it to him, whatever my idea is, and he'll design what the

top is. You gotta figure out what to do. Check out this. This is what Obi and Anthony was talking about. The Michael Buble list. You can keep that fucking song to do. Check out this. This is what Opie and Anthony was talking about. The Michael Buble list. You can keep that fucking song going in the background. Make Buble sound

tolerable. But it's ridiculous. Debbie, this is Jake Steerings. This is Debbie, my man. Check out this list.

Oh, baby. Hey, Michael. Come on and swing. Okay, man. Right when he does the, I got it right on the string. I got the come on and swing. Okay, man. Right when he does that, that guy went on a string. I've got the world on a string.

I'm sitting on a rainbow. I got that string around my finger. Now what a world and what a life I am in life. Are we going to get pulled off YouTube for this? You know what? I think that. Probably. Are we going to because we have that clip on there?

No. Those cunts. It doesn't seem like it. No, it doesn't. You know what I'm just thinking? I think Opie and Anthony got sent a fake audio file because they broke it down and they have it always on the replays. I was going to say it's kind of S-y, but it's not really on the list.

Like Cool G Raps is, thuh, thay, talk like sex. I don't hear that. That's weird. You got to hear more of his songs. I'm telling you. Pull up EPMD. But he made it. You got to understand.

Him and Eric Sermon are comparable. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's interesting. I think Eric Sermon put it on a little bit more, though, because Kool G rap. I think Kool G rap was before that. Really?

Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. I'm not saying he made up the thing. I just think he let it go a little bit more, whereas Cool G Rap might have worked to try to not have it as bad when he was recording. Cool G Rap's one of my all-time favorites.

Eric Sermon just let it go. He said, I got a list, and that's what it's going to be. I'm a big fan. Relax your mind. Let the contents be free and get down to the sound of the piano.

Let me hear it. Play it. I'm an MC rap. I'm an MC rap. Go take a it. Let me hear it. Play it. I'm an MC Wap. This is a jam now, dude. He's got too much tongue and too much lips. They're struggling.

That was the jam now right there. They're struggling. I just get down and I go for my seat. Just one, two, one, two. That was the jam though right there. Rakim was one of the best. Here's another one that these young kids don't respect enough. Rakim, follow the leader. Oh, he was the guy. You know what? He was off my list. You know what?

That's one that was missing off that list. He was the fifth. Yes, he should have been on that list for sure. I totally spaced on him. We just did three hours. He is the like there's no Nas without Rakim Period and Nas would definitely agree to that you he He is definitely one of the fathers of remodeling lyricism I you got me turned on the Nas rewind and that's one of my favorite songs It's brilliant, right the way he set it up going from the bullet back into the gun the whole thing

Trying to the events and replaying on the mic record. Yeah, Mike and all that. Oh, he had some good shit, man He Nas has some good shit still Matic was that the name of that album still Matic the first album his album is universally the first Album is universally recognized as one of the great albums Yeah, he went through a period where stuff wasn't nearly as good for a while. It was interesting. But what happened with him, I think, the feud with him and Jay-Z sort of inspired him to get better.

Because Jay-Z called some of his shit garbage. And Nas was like, whoa. They had this thing back and forth, and then they got together, and then they worked it out. Yeah, the Ether song was ridiculous. Yeah, the Ether was... He went after him. I just think Nas was doing things, and he made some it out. Yeah, the Ether song was ridiculous. Yeah, the Ether was. But he went after them.

I just think Nas was doing things and got, you know, he made some money. You got to remember, he made that first album when he was like 17 or something, man. Yeah, yeah. Like a classic all-time for the ages album at 17 or 18 years old, tops. Yeah. When he was on his first record with Main Source, I think he was like 16 or 15, and he like destroyed everybody on it. Yeah. Live at the barbecue he said when i was 12 i went to hell for snuffing jesus

i was like what yeah he has some the greatest lyrics of all time some of the greatest most thought-provoking lyrics of all time that whole first album and many albums of his sense were great but that first one was just dumb. It's like when you capture it in the can, the lightning, and you know all of it's perfect. That album is damn near perfect. Have you ever seen the one, there's one album that is not universally thought of as being one of his best, but the one with him,

with the Sphinx face, what is it, some sort of Egyptian motif? Isn't that the one with You Can hate me now and all that on there? I don't remember. I don't know album names as well as I know the song. But he's got a song on it called Welcome to the New World. It's one of my favorite Nas songs that nobody ever talks about. And it's him talking about, let me see, let me find his Wikipedia here. It's a song you never hear people talk about, but it's him talking about the future.

Was that It Was Written? It might be. I think you might be right. Let me see here. See if you can find, Brian, we'll end with this. How much time we got left? Seven minutes. You're on timers now?

At three hours, we turn into a pumpkin. We only have three hours. At three hours, the recording's over. Play some of... I can remember a couple times we went longer than three hours. Dude, we crushed it today. Today, we accelerated time. We made three hours seem like

two hours. I thought he was wrong. If I Roll the Road? Is that a song? No, no, no. It's called Welcome to the New World. Welcome to the New World. Welcome to the New World. Do you find New World. Welcome to the New World. Do you find it? Let's go out on some Nas then. Yeah, listen to this shit.

Because this is like back when Roy Jones Jr. was the baddest motherfucker on earth. This is like some, I think it was like the 90s. I want to say 90s. Is this 90s? 90. But it's about technology and the future and where the world's going. I think I know the song you're talking about, but I have to hear it to be refreshed. It's really interesting because it's on the Africa song.

I think this is in the era when he was going with production that I think more the labels and stuff were looking for that pop appeal. I think he wasn't picking his beats wisely in this little era that he got. I think that's when the only time he got slowed down is when his i think some wrong choices were made i don't think it had anything to do with his stuff or his lyricism yeah like i see this is like i've never been a fan of outright ripping old songs like this yeah i've never been a fan of it i mean if you do it cleverly and like, there's producers like, a guy like DJ Premier that would take something like that and chop it up into smaller pieces and turn it into something new.

I'm a fan of that. But when you just take an entire riff and recreate it and kind of almost copy the song but just make it into a rap like, verses with, even steal their hooks. You know what I mean? I think Pac did it like Bruce Hornsby It's just the way it is. Yeah, I Never been a fan of those things, right? That's been that's probably why that song wasn't so prevalent in my mind I yeah, I'm a real big fan of what he's saying in it. I did fantastic, but I agree with you

It's not the best beat. It's kind of annoying listen Yeah, there was a little area his where we got to the production got too clean for me Like nah should be on a grimy ass beat like you know what i mean like once he came back with ether and then he came back with the where he chopped up apache for that made you look and that's where he should be sitting you know i mean like i think the record labels and people got to him and radio and the success you want to when you're young and you first get success you want to you're listening to the people around you and they're telling you you got to copy that to keep getting your success you young and you first get success, you're listening to the people around you, and they're telling you, you've got to copy that to keep getting your success.

And you become either one of two things. A band that just makes that formulaic album every time, and you'll have some success for a while. Or you fall off the face of the planet. You know what I mean? Or you go back to what you know and be the genius you are and don't trust what everybody else is saying and trust your guts. And Nas, I'm sure, even knew he needed to be on the beat. He's back where he should be. He's been there for a minute now.

Yeah, he's back completely. His last few CDs were fantastic. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Since Ether, I think, I've been enjoying ever since. I think you're right about it. I think Jay-Z definitely sparked some fire under his ass for sure. Yeah.

I think when someone calls you garbage, you just go, what? Well, there was a lot more said than that. I don't know how close attention you paid, but there was a lot of things about people's babies, mamas getting fucked. Like, you know, like, Jay even apologized on radio in New York. There's a lot of, like, hip-hop little folklore around that.

Like, Jay's mom supposedly made him go on the air and apologize for some of the shit he said. Oh. There's a lot of that going on. There was a lot more than just raps going on. But it kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier that you said that you need a producer. You need someone to argue with.

Sometimes a guy as good as Nas needs someone to challenge him. I even argue with challenge me. That's not as good as it could be. Or maybe that's not the right choice for that song. And the way I've always looked at it is if I was passionate enough about it and it was supposed to be in there, I would fight for it. But if you brought it up and i even questioned him for a thing second take it in and say maybe then then it deserves to be mulled over and thought about it's also when you can find out whether or not your

representation is right for you because if they don't know what you're doing they try to change what you're doing like ari had a problem with a dude that was working with him where uh he has ari has this fucking hilarious bit that really happened when he was on this long walk over this giant bridge in Sydney and he had to take shit like in the middle of this branny there's no turning back he was going to shit his pants something was gonna happen no matter what he did is no turning back you're in the middle of this bridge takes an hour to walk back to where the fuck you were so he's like stuck and it's it's a hilarious bit.

And his, I don't know who it was. They were like, you got to drop that. It's a shit joke. You shouldn't do shit jokes. He was like, what? Like, did you pay attention to that? Like, that's a joke about being a human being and being in a real situation that actually, get the fuck out of here.

And he got rid of the dude. People have made careers out of shit jokes, man. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a shit joke if it's a good one. Hell no. Every joke, every subject is on the menu. Mr. Hankey would never have existed if somebody listened to that. Exactly.

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I'm in Orlando April 3rd. I'm in Orlando April 18th with Joey motherfucking Diaz. And then I'm in Baltimore April 25th with Joey motherfucking Diaz. And Brian, what are your shows coming up? I've got a weekend at La Jolla Comedy Store. It's going to be January 28th and March 1st, which is a Friday and Saturday, with Tony Henscliff, Eleanor, Sarah Weinshank, and a bunch of people. Good.

You going back in time to do that one? Yeah. Googly moogly. The Comedy Store in La Jolla is one of the great all-time rooms. Yeah. Fun. As far as the way it's designed, one of the great all-time rooms in a real stuffy community. So it's nice to go there and sling some fucking caramel over the walls. Dick pics and poop.

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