The Joe Rogan Experience - #472 - Shane Smith

Episode Date: March 20, 2014

Shane Smith is a Canadian-American journalist. He also is the co-founder and CEO of the international media company VICE.

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and not slowing down anytime soon. Are you the new Rupert Murdoch? I keep hearing that. I keep hearing you're the new Rupert Murdoch? I keep hearing that. I keep hearing you're the new Rupert Murdoch. What does that mean? I don't know why I keep coming on here. You love me. All I get is shit.

No, I love you. I love everybody in this room. No, I'm not the next Rupert Murdoch. What's the latest, man? Where the fuck have you been? Where are you getting back from? Every time I've emailed you or talked to you or Twitter or text messaging, you're in the middle of fucking nowhere.

Yeah. In some dark places. It's so funny. We were talking before the show, and he's like, yeah, I should get you to do some of these things. I can send you to the North Pole. Like, bitch, I'm not going to the fucking North Pole. You don't know me, man.

That's a good one, though. What? That's an easy one. What are you saying? The North Pole is not good or easy. That's ridiculous. don't know me man that's a good one though that's an easy one what are you saying the north pole is not good or easy that's ridiculous there's polar bears up there right there's polar is the south south pole polar bears which one is north pole yeah yeah yeah so one of them has penguins one of them doesn't south pole south pole is penguins north pole doesn't polar bears

why would that possibly be easy? Well, it's a bitch to get to because you have to, like, fly 8,000 times and then go, you know, with. A sled and dogs. And ice helicopters and shit and whatever. Jeez. But it's a crazy story what's going on there. Like, that's like, you know, World War III happening up there. It's a crazy story what's going on there.

That's like World War III happening up there. So this is the place where – what's going on in the middle of the North Pole now? So the ice is melting. Right. And, A, that's leading to two things. One, opening up of passages so Russians can come right across, which is great because now it looks like we're going back to the Cold War. which is great because now it looks like we're going back to the Cold War. But it's also just tons of oil, tons of minerals can now be sort of mined. Yeah, fucked up the environment.

We'll just fuck it up even more. So what's happening is everyone's amassing huge sort of caches of arms. So the Russians obviously are getting up there. Everyone's planting flags on the seabed floors. This is ours. No, this is ours. So the Scandis are trying to get in there. Canada's obviously are getting up there. Everyone's planting flags on the seabed floors. This is ours. No, this is ours. Oh, God. So the Scandis are trying to get in there. Canada's trying to get in there.

Both are being destroyed by the Russians and the Americans. Oh, God. Chinese are in there. Everybody's getting there with subs. You know, lots of naval buildup, but huge arms buildup going on there because that's going to be the next sort of, not only the sort of transportation routes, but also, you know, all the sort of natural minerals, rare earth minerals, oil, et cetera, et cetera. So essentially it's just like when the Bering Strait back during the Ice Age was connecting the United States to Asia and then it went away. Yeah.

Now new passages like that are opening up. Correct. So the whole North Pole is melting. So you can, what's happening now is you can actually, you know, when a lot of the earlier explorers were trying to get to China by going around the north, you know, and now that's opening up. So it's opening up north of Scandinavia so that Russia can actually go right around Scandinavia because they never really had a freshwater year-round port. And so that Russia can actually go right around Scandinavia because they never

really had a freshwater year-round port. And so that's a big deal for them. But same thing for Canada, same thing for the States, China, they're all trying to get up there and lay rights to all the minerals and all the oil that's up there. How does that work? As well as the passage. How does that work? Like who decides who owns? So it's really, what was it before? Was it international waters? So was it, was KC?

Well, yeah. I mean, people had laid claim to it, but you couldn't know when he went there. So who the hell cared? You know? Right. What does it matter? You couldn't get through because it was all iced up. So now what's happening is a massive land grab. People are just planting their flags and saying, no, this is ours.

No, this is not yours. This is ours. And they're sort of fighting it out. But basically up there, might makes right. So if I got my ships up there, I got my guns up there, I got my Air Force up there, guess what? It's mine. Wow.

And it's so fascinating how over the last few years they've discovered all these massive, massive supplies of oil up there. Huge, yeah. Huge reserves of oil, shale oil and all weird oil that you have to fucking, what's the kind in Utah that they found where you have to burn it and it creates all this horrible carbons

being emitted into the environment in order to process it? Yeah, there's all different, I mean, the worst oil that they have for the environment is, in Canada, is the tar sands. Yeah. Where they have to take all the fresh water, boil up the sand to get out the oil, boil up, you know, and get the oil out. It costs tons and tons of money and whatever.

But because oil is so expensive now that it's become, you know, economically feasible. Wow. And that's the stuff that pollutes the environment pretty heavily. Well, it all does. But, I mean, tar sands is shocking. It's, like, really, really bad. I think that's what they that pollutes the environment pretty heavily. Well, it all does. But, I mean, tar sands is shocking. It's like really, really bad. I think that's what they were talking about in Utah. I'm not sure, but they're trying to figure out a way to block it.

It could be tar sands. They found more oil in Utah, ready for this, than humans have ever used ever. Wow. Are you serious? So there's no way you're going to keep those fucking dirty criminals from pulling out of the ground and fucking up everything. I mean, that amount. If it's tar sand, I don't know about Utah specifically. I know about Canada.

It's very, very bad because they take the whole Lake Athabasca sort of watershed and they use the water to boil out the oil. And then you have all of this sort of chemical sand that they have to chuck. You have all the waters destroyed, and then obviously you've got the oil. It's oil shale. That's what they're saying. Shale. So that is. Shale oil.

Yeah, that's what's involved. Well, that's what you've got to. You've got to go down, and there's fracking to get natural gas, and there's fracking and blowing up to get the shale. Well, there's a lot of that shit out there apparently. It's interesting that they're just finding this

over the last decade or so. They knew about it, but it was too expensive. Oh, I see. It wasn't economically viable, but now because it's $100 a barrel, they're like,

fuck, blow the shit out of everything and get us the oil. So they knew about it in Utah too? They knew about all these reserves? Well, they knew that you could get it.

Fracking isn't anything new. You know, oil sands, tar sands aren't anything new. Shale oil isn't new. It's just, oh, you know, we can, we can, it's now economically viable to actually get this shit out. Because it was too expensive before. It's the same thing with using, you know, CO2 to, and water to sort of, you know, frack or to pump out the rest of the oil in wells, because we didn't get all the oil out before only what was pressurized. There's a thing that comes up when you talk

about anything that causes some sort of environmental hazard, where you have two different types of people that automatically jump on the argument. There's a type of people that are like, oh my God, we have to save owls and olive trees or whatever the fuck is growing up there. And then there's these other people.

These other people that almost universally are not financially successful, but support hardcore Republican ideals, including the sacrificing of the environment for some sort of an economic gain. I don't understand it. And I just did a piece on Greenland that's going to be airing on our HBO show tomorrow, and I've been doing a lot of press around it. It's interesting because I did a piece

on Sea Level Rise last season, and generally about 90% of our comments are like, you guys fuck it wrong, it's great, and then there's 10%. And like 80% of the comments all of a sudden on the environmental stuff were negative. And I was like, how is this even happening? And there's like a study was done that if the first four comments on an environmental thing or any news piece are negative, then people negate the actual piece.

the actual piece. So they spend hundreds of millions of dollars for bloggers and people to just go out and do comments so that anything launches, they sit there and they, and they, they, they, you know, say that this is bad or not true,

whatever. For me, look, here's the deal. You know, when I, I talked to scientists all the time for, for this,

uh, um, Greenland piece, I talked to the chief climatologist at NASA. And I said, okay, so how much of this is man-made? Because I went to Greenland and it's melting. And Greenland is going to melt and it's 24 feet of sea level rise. So if the sea level rise is 24 feet, then 80% of the world's cities go underwater. So I said, okay, you know, how much of this is man-made? And he's a conservative scientist.

He's like a NASA guy. He's not like some crazy tree-hugging guy. And he's like, well, 100%. I said, hold on, what do you mean 100%? It's natural. No, it's 100% if you look at it. And I actually, when I was talking to him, he's like, if we cut our carbon emissions by 80%, it's still going to

continue for the next 500 years, global warming, but, or at least, but we just slow down the pace of it. And I'm like, well, how long, you know, how much of Greenland is going to melt? He goes, well, all of it. It's just a question of how fast is it going to be 500 years? It can be 50 years. It can be, you know, 150 years. And so I'm, I actually kind of got mad at the scientists because I'm like, he's, he's saying this as if it's boring. And I'm actually kind of got mad at the scientists because I'm like, he's saying this as if it's boring. And I'm saying, hold on, this is a global scientific consensus. And then I'm like, well, people in America don't understand that. I don't understand that. And I do this for a living that, you know, because we did a thing on the Texas drought, because we, you know, there was

a drought here in California. Everybody's like global warming, global warming. And in Texas, they've had a drought for three years and they denied climate change. Like Rick Perry said, it's not true. Governor of the state. And then you sit there and say, okay, well, how is that possible? So we went to talk to people and they're like, yeah, climate change has been denied. I mean, it's been disproven. And that I find insidious because they know it's not true. The fossil fuel companies know it's not true. The car companies know it's not true. The fossil fuel companies know it's not true. The car companies know it's not true. The politicians know it's not true. They know what the global consensus is, the scientific consensus. And yet they fund and say that

it's not happening. And that's bad because they're fucking all of humanity and the future of humanity for short-term profits. And that's what's insidious about climate change denial. of humanity for short-term profits. And that's what's insidious about climate change denial. It's very insidious. And it's very fascinating to me, this play on these people, these no-nonsense type people. There's a mentality that people adopt where they don't want to be fools. Right.

And it's the no-nonsense mentality. And I've documented this. This is like something that I've really been studying for quite a while. There's people that that in spite of all the evidence in front of them they want to believe the official story on almost everything and almost always take the conservative viewpoint and a lot of times that conservative viewpoint is who they are the very type of people who they are it's against them and yet they still support it a lot of them are hard-working blue-collar, and they have this idea that somehow or another in the future, they want to be able to make money freely. So, you know, I don't want the government stepping in and stopping all this shale because I could step in and maybe do a little shale mining myself and start making millions of dollars.

And right now they're not. Right now they're the ones who are being punished by a lot of these ideas and pushing forth themselves. It's very strange. But if you ever talk to, and I agree with you, and I've always found it incredibly confusing. Yeah. And we just did this story on vets returning from Afghanistan and Iraq and how they're overprescribed, overmedicated. Oh, yeah. By the VA.

It's a huge problem. Well, it's working folks who support big business. Well, that's it. And if you talk to the disillusioned veterans, veterans of which I have tremendous respect for, by the way, but coming back from these wars that were fought for economic reasons, for oil, and when they realize that, they're like, like oh we were duped you know the you know we went over there to fight the good fight there's no there's no good there's no good fight we went over there to fight for oil and by the way there's never been a good fight right i mean

look you could say world war ii you know nazis bad yeah no very bad people you know i would say that iraq now is is pretty much a given. There were no weapons of mass destruction. He wasn't doing anything with Al-Qaeda. It was a secular regime. They were enemies. We went in to get oil. And I think, you know, if you look at Afghanistan now, the peace in Afghanistan and the Taliban are running South Afghanistan and the Northern Alliance are running Northern Afghanistan. And the minute we pull out, it's going to be the Taliban take over the South, just like they did before. And a trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives are just going to be wasted for nothing because Al Qaeda is going to be in with the Taliban again, which is why we went in there

in the first place. So anyway, what I'm trying to get at is, I think that a lot of the mentality, people are used for economic purposes, and that I find insidious. People should not be used for that. It is not just insidious. It's maddening because a lot of those people who really signed up to serve their country were real, legit heroes. Correct. And they were used. Correct. And they were used. Correct. And if you go back and read Smedley Butler's War is Just a Racket from 1930-something. He was a major brigadier, major general character.

I forget what his exact title and rank was. But he was a well-respected military man who spent his whole life in the service of the country, and then realized when he was retiring that he only existed to go out there and make sure things were safe for bankers, clear the air for oil manufacturers, whatever it was that he was really doing. He thought he was over there promoting freedom and keeping America safe, and he wrote this fascinating and very damning piece, and this is in the 1930s. So it's always been like that. It's always been this double hustle that even the people involved in it

don't realize they're a part of the hustle. The very most important part of the machine, the hammer itself, doesn't realize it's part of the hustle. The very guys pulling the trigger. Well, if they were, if they realized that, they wouldn't go fight?

It's so insidious that you could figure out a way to get someone to do that, and a way to get someone to do that. And the way you get them to do that is actually get them to love their country. Actually get real heroes. Wow. You're preying off patriotism. It's that thing too, though, man, that I'm a good person and I'm a no-nonsense good person. And that's the same shit that gets preyed upon with this whole global warming denial thing.

But I don't understand. Because whenever I talk to someone, I'm like, okay, I'm a gambling guy. You know, even if it's a 1% chance. So you're so sure. It's 100% sure. It's 100% it's a fucking hoax. Right? What if it's 1%?

What if it's 5%? What if it's 10%? Don't you want to fucking hedge your bet? if it's 5%? What if it's 10%? Don't you want to fucking hedge your bet? And say, because total global economic, or sorry, environmental disaster and breakdown versus, okay, we're all okay. Don't you want to hedge your bet? Wouldn't you want to hedge your bet against a complete environmental disaster? I would. I'm a gambler, man. I'll bet 1% to say, okay, it's like insurance when you play background or when they've got a 21. Okay, I'll take that insurance because even if it's 1% true, I'm convinced it's 100% true.

But even if it's 1% true, don't you want to hedge your bet? I think it's a confirmation bias issue that these ideas fit into their no-nonsense mentality. Sure. The no-nonsense mentality is almost like a religion. It's, come on, Oswald acted alone. Stop it. Right, right. This is the same guy.

They're not even looking into it. They just go with this no-nonsense idea, even in the face of all sorts of... Well, it's interesting in Texas, because you have a loss of a whole way of life because all the cows are dying. They've had a three-year drought. They've either sold them off or they've died and so you sit there and say okay in the face of all your

fucking cattle which was texas for the longest period of time you know dying because of this prolonged drought now you have people who were like incredible deniers and and people saying no no no no it's not true saying actually there might be something to this shit. And I don't know what it is, but we got to look into it. I mean, we can't just pray for fucking rain anymore. There's been Congress, there was a Republican congressman that we talked to who said like, I was just a climate change denier

because Al Gore was for it, therefore I was against it. And then when I did the research, I realized, holy shit, there's something to this. And he got drummed out of the party and lost his seat. Wow. And look, it's a big political business down there, and it's an oil state. It's an oil state now because there's no more cattle. So all the water, they have no water for the cattle they're using for fracking.

So you sit there and you say, look, it's gotten so bad now that even people who have been deniers for so long are saying, you know what, fuck, okay, what the fuck are we going to do? Have you seen the photos of, I think it's Lake Travis. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lake Travis. It's not down to nothing. There's like boats that were like sitting on the shore in front of these people's million dollar estates. Yeah. And now these things are in the middle of this field.

Yeah. It's like there's grass growing up. I mean, it's not going back. And by the way, that's green Texas. Yeah. You're right. West Texas is Saudi Arabia. That's Austin.

Yeah. We're talking about Austin, which is, you know, about as rainy as it gets. Like, look at that. That's a kind photograph. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's happening in California as well. We were at Lake Tohon and Lake

Tohon used to have some of the best bass fishing in Southern California. It was a great spot. They had this great lake there. Right.

And it was just filled with large mouse bass and it's a private, the whole ranch, 270,000 acres is private. Right. So you couldn't

just get in there to fish. So they would let people come in and fish, the employees would fish, people would pay to fish there So they would let people come in and fish. The employees would fish. People would pay to fish there. It's fucking gone now. It's gone.

Almost all the fish are dead. The water is like six inches deep. You can walk across the entire lake now, literally above your chest. I have a question for you. When that happens, when lakes are disappearing, lake trials are disappearing, all these places are disappearing,

and people still say, fuck you, Joe. It's fucking natural occurrence of things. This is there's no climate change fuck you what do you say to them well the guy the last guy that i had a conversation with that told me that it was just a natural cycle he's a guy from jujitsu and i was like you know i said well there's always been natural cycles absolutely it's true you know there there's the climate on the earth is varied widely. But it doesn't mean that human intervention and what we've caused can't play a big part in accelerating that and accelerating it in an unmanageable way. And he didn't really have an answer to that because he was a no-nonsense guy. He was just a young military kid who has this idea in his head that, you know, there's a lot of hippie bullshit being flown around there about the environment.

Well, I think that's the problem. You know, Al Gore made a billion dollars telling everybody that. He's the first green billionaire. Did you know that? Okay. It doesn't mean he's totally wrong. Well, the interesting thing about Al Gore, and I find it very interesting, not that I'm an Al Gore lover.

I came up actually hating Tipper Gore because she was censorship, et cetera, et cetera. All the rap lyrics she was going after. Exactly. But you got to look at Al Gore and say he wasn't like a big liberal. He was like a sort of tobacco guy from the south, like, you know, centrist. You know, in most countries in the world he'd be sort of center right conservative dude he came out of politics being an environmentalist now he didn't do that may oh i don't know i may i don't know the guys very well but you know he

came out freaking out about the environment why because all the shit that he learned in politics all the behind the scenes shit that we don't know about freaked him out so much that he said i'm going to actually go out and do this movie and say the environment is fucked hey by the way this isn't like a greenpeace dude this isn't a hippie this is a tobacco southern dude conservative dude middle conservative in america but you know whatever conservative in the. And he comes out and says the environment's fucked. What's interesting is he wins the Nobel Prize, does a good movie, all this stuff, but then gets vilified to the point that now Al Gore is a joke. And when we say, oh, you know, fuck it, you know, he's this and it's Al Gore.

And by the way, isn't that a great fucking triumph for deniers? Because they're like, Al Gore is now a joke for doing a movie that says, hey, by the way, the environment's fucked. Yeah, isn't that weird that they can do that, that they can turn someone into, like, he's almost like, remember when Richard Gere, you'd say Richard Gere, you thought gerbil up the ass. Right. Right? That's all anybody thought.

Well, when you talk about Al Gore now, especially around certain circles, he's a joke when it comes to the climate. Was there anything that he said that was debunked or was it all bullshit? No, they just kept attacking him, attacking him, attacking him. That's fascinating. And by the way, it's fascinating because what there is

is anyone says anything we don't like, we attack their character. And once we attack their character and they're on the defensive, then we fucking won. Because then it's not about what they said. Right. It's about, well, fucking this person. We can't trust what he said because he'd like to finger up his ass on us.

You know? Yeah, absolutely. And that is a fascinating thing they do with comments on videos, like especially your kind of documentaries that expose things. Yeah, we get it. And they attack. We get it. And it's been proven now. I mean, that was part of the Snowden deal.

We actually got to see fact that they spend money on propaganda trying to influence. They go to websites, message boards. They go to social chat. They go on Twitter. 100%. There's a lot of people that probably- I've got another question for you. Okay.

Why isn't there more fucking outrage about the NSA listening to every fucking phone call, every tweet, every fucking email, every everything, and saying, we live in a goddamn police state. We signed away, well, we never even signed it away, but our rights and freedoms. And look, I came to this country because it's the land of the free, home of the brave, fucking beautiful country. I love it here. Gorgeous place. home of the brave, fucking beautiful country. I love it here. Gorgeous place. Why is there more outrage at the NSA watching everything we do and doing it illegally? I think there is outrage, but I think people feel like they are waiting for something to happen and they don't know what they

can do about it. They don't feel like they have any real legitimate power. They can express their outrage. They wait for the politicians to make some announcements. And, I mean, what is the only thing that Obama said that they're going to try to slow it down somewhat or do something differently in some way? What are you doing? I'm blocking his face. A lot of people are saying they want to see this. Oh, fuck all those people. You can't listen to those people. How dare those people.

I didn't know we were on the TV. Don't worry about all those people. They complain too much. And they love it if you react to them. Oh, Brian moved the thing because of me. I'm a ghost producer. I also wanted to see his beautiful eyes. I like looking at him hiding.

That's why I feel like it's a metaphor for his job. Sneaking around behind things. That's it. Reporting on the reality of the situation. Where were we? What were we just talking about? NSA. The NSA being a horrible, terrible, scary thing. I'm surprised that people don't freak the fuck out.

I think they are. They just don't know what to do. They're in this holding pattern. They're waiting for something to happen. Because I got to tell you what. It's just bad and it's getting worse. And, you know, we just did this interesting story in Camden, New Jersey. You know that?

Yeah, no cops. No cops, right? Yeah. They ran out of money for cops. So, yeah. So highest crime rate, highest murder rate, ran out of money for cops. So what did they do? They hired, like, a tech company to come in and they put cameras everywhere and hidden microphones.

And they can triangulate like gunshot sounds and they got like cameras everywhere. And they know where everybody is. So like, oh yeah, we know this guy. We know where he's going. He's probably going to commit a crime. So we're going to pick him up. It's like, what's that Tom Cruise movie? Minority Report.

Minority Report. Like they figure out like everything before it's going to happen. But I'm like, hold on. As I'm watching it, I'm like, that's not even the scary part. That's pretty scary. But they have recorded and filmed everything that's going on in that fucking town 24 hours a day. They know everything that's going on there. And it's been such a success. It really just put it underground, but whatever.

It's been a success because the crime rate dropped. That Chicago, New York, all these big cities are doing it now. So not only are you going to have the NSA listening to your phone calls and your fucking whatever, your social media, everything, but you're going to be filmed and listened to everywhere you go. And that's not 1984. That makes 1984 look like a fucking children's fairy tale. You're always going to be watched every fucking thing that you ever do.

If that's not the definition of a police state, I don't know what is. No, it's most certainly the definition of a police state, and it's almost inevitable because of the expanding reach of technology. Correct. Once they have the ability to send drones everywhere they want to, they're going to have drones that are the size of technology. Correct. Once they have the ability to send drones everywhere they want to, they're going to have drones that are the size of bugs. They're going to have HD capability. You're a smart dude because I was just at this

tech conference and there's all these CEOs and this thing and we were talking about it and I got into a fight with one of these big dudes there, an old dude, big powerful guy, and he said, who wouldn't jail Snowden? I said, me, I wouldn't jail him. What's the difference between Snowden and Woodward and Bernstein? Woodward and Bernstein and the presidential papers, like they were the punks of their generation, like, but now they're heroes because it's the baby boomers and Snowden's,

fuck you. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Anyway, we got into this fight. What's his argument? It was good for the gander. Anyway, we got into this fight. What's his argument? You know, it was just he's bad. Whatever, the same argument. Oh, he's weak in this country.

He's a traitor. I'd kill myself if I was in front of him. And so we got into this fight, but the interesting thing about that is, A, the fact that a lot of people – whistleblowing is seen as un-American. I see it as that's what's going to keep democracy safe. But this sort of overreaching – and I said, look, I didn't come to America for it to be – to live in a police state. And this is the definition of a police state is that they can watch everything that we do and that it was all these tech guys and the tech guys just sort of rolled their eyes and said it's already happened yeah the tech is already there the the government has already made the deals it's a de facto thing you can't change it and then then i got kind of worried because

you're exactly right you're 100 right the tech is so pervasive that you can't fuck with it. Well, there's also a future tech that they're working on that is essentially tiny Wi-Fi-powered cameras that are the size of grains of sand. Sure. And they're going to scatter them. Yeah, they're going to scatter them all throughout cities. And they will literally have access to video, audio, everything from these grains of sand. It'll be all over the beaches. They'll tune into them.

They, like, if you go to Camden, it's already happened. That's the whole scary thing is, like, this isn't, like. So it's a battleground. This isn't science. It isn't science fiction anymore. They can hear. They can triangulate sound from any point in the city, like inside houses, like anywhere. They can listen to anything.

And you're just like, holy fuck. For those of us who get up to some nefarious activities, that's not great news. Well, even not so nefarious activities, like people who like the fucking public. Have you seen that video? There's a video of this couple on St. Patrick's Day. They were banging behind a dumpster.

And these people drove by and got video of it, put the video online, and now the cops are looking for these people. Like, oh, you gonna save us from the bad people that like to fuck? But that's the problem is, okay, so now we have information about everybody at all time. What are we going to do with that information? Right. You know that some bureaucrat, major, general, captain, some bullshit artist is going to be sitting behind some computer thing saying, you know what? I think that's bullshit. I'm going to fucking take that guy away. That's a police state.

That can't happen. Yeah. Well, it's going to, unfortunately. But then democracy goes out the fucking window. I think it goes out the window anyway. I think it's going to shift. It's going to shift. Is this turning into a depressing? No, no, it's not.

But here's the issue. Because what's going to happen is the same thing that has sort of happened with cellular. I mean, obviously, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, just as a caveat here. What's going to happen is the same thing that's happening with cellular communication. At one point in time, cellular communication was a giant brick that you had to hang on to it so you used to have a fucking suitcase you carried around with them and hold them in your and now you can go to the amazon and people have cell phones you can go to the poorest third world countries and people have cell phones i think that right now the information the access to all this stuff the ability to know

what's going on everywhere all the time is terrifying to us because we don't possess it. The only people that possess it are the people like the NSA or the people that are monitoring Camden. Eventually, that technology will become so pervasive it'll be like Wikipedia. It'll be like everything else. It'll be all the time. And you will have no privacy. But they will have no privacy either. You know who's going to have privacy?

No one. I don't believe that. I believe the rich will have privacy because they'll be able to pay for tech that can protect them. They'll try. New shit will come up. You're going to have a phone. They're going to know where your phone is. You're going to have an internet connection.

They're going to be blocking technology. I'm going to take it to another place. I think it's going to get even crazier than that because i think that when i extrapolate when i get when i get really high and i think about this especially when i get into the tank i come into this one conclusion and this one conclusion is that money in its current form is not resource-based the economy is essentially based on confidence and numbers, right? Yeah, sure. Well, that's just information. And at a certain point in time, technology is going to hit a bottleneck,

and that bottleneck is going to be money. The bottleneck is that technology, as it progresses, the trend seems to be in a more immediate access to information and an easier connection between people. Well, that's going to come to a point where there's one thing that's shielded, one piece of information that's shielded, and that's going to be money.

We're not going to know how to quantify it. What are your thoughts on Bitcoin? Well, I think that's a part of it. I think that's just one part of it. I think Bitcoin is being, for sure, tampered with, for sure fucked with. I think all these people people like this guy that had the mount gox and fucking 300 million dollars goes away and it's crashed that is a most likely

a bunch of things i'm sure incompetence i'm sure shitty programming probably sabotage let's be honest if they really thought that it's possible for a new currency to come along, Antonopoulos is coming back on again, too. Yeah. Yeah, he's coming back on soon in April. Without a doubt, someone would step in and try to do that. Why would they not try to do that? What, are they going to just sit by and twiddle their thumbs and hope that their money is good enough to compete?

Get the fuck out of here. These are criminals. These are fucking swashbucklers and buccaneers. They're assholes. They're digital buccaneers they're assholes they're digital buccaneers and just like the same people send people out to diminish climate reports by leaving shitty comments they're gonna also go after bitcoin any way they can did you hear about this silk road shit that happened yes yes yeah do you do anything on that we're doing a film on well tell people for folks who don't know what Silk Road is,

tell them what it is and what happened. Well, I'm not the biggest expert. We're doing a film on it, and so I only know the sort of pitch versions. Well, it's a website. Yeah, it's a website. It was a service that was the dark web. A lot of shit went down. And basically where they made their money was it was a door-to-door drug dealing service

where they made the majority of their cash. And it was high quality. They guaranteed the quality. And you didn't have to leave your house. And someone would come and they would take a sort of charge on both sides. And they would, like, deliver Coke and guns to your house. Correct. Anything.

Anything. It was a dark web sort of to your house. Correct. Anything. Anything. It was like dark web sort of Craigslist. Like murder even. Well, so this is where it gets interesting is the guy who started it, he started when he was like 21 years old. He's like this nice kid or whatever, apparently a really nice kid. They talked to his parents and shit. They're like, oh, he was such a nice boy. Now he's living in the North Pole with your fucking reporters hiding under a igloo.

Now he's 20 stories down in the CIA building. They got him. They got him. You did not hear the story. This is my favorite part of the story. Keep going. So he's a young kid, right? He sets up Silk Road, which is basically a sort of peer-to-peer,

whatever the fuck you want to have happen on the second economy. A lot of drugs, basically drugs. But yes, there was arms. Anything sort of illegal was going on through this thing. Now, what happened was, you know, very cinemagraphic moment. He's in a public library, right, using the public wifi. He's running the whole thing from his laptop. And they know if he, if he closes the laptop, it'll be encrypted and then it's a brick and he's fucked. So the whole, everyone in the library, the person looking at the books,

the librarian, the, you know, the freaky dude sleeping in the corner, they're all fucking FBI, right? And they're all watching this kid. He's like, you know, really young guy as he's running this Silk Road thing. And they had to get him before he closed his laptop. So he literally stood up to like grab something and they just, the whole library went into motion and they got him. Now, what they found out was he was just a guy trying to run a business. He like okay you know you bring the drugs here and you bring the drugs there and if people people started fucking with the business much like bitcoin and shit they started trying to fuck with it and you know by the way you deal with a lot of criminals they're going to do some criminal shit they're going to try to put it over on you now

one of the things that silk road did was it was like a craigslist for like hitman and shit so he was like okay you're on my Silk Road. I'm going to, you know, this guy's bad for Silk Road. He's dealing shitty heroin or he's being bad or he's saying some shit. So he just would have them killed.

Allegedly. Allegedly would have them killed because he was trying to maintain the sort of quality of his product. So there was assassinations, Hitman, arms dealing, drug dealing,

all on this sort of dark web shit that was going on. And they caught the... Is there an earthquake? Huh? Is there an earthquake? What are you doing? Is that like an effect? I was going to switch cameras, but then it was...

Oh, I'm like, what the fuck? Is this an effect? Is this a new artistic angle? But what I find interesting about this is it's just an example of this whole second economy, the gray economy, the black economy, black market, that some people have estimated is up to a quarter to a half of what the global economy is. Because if you put in all the drugs that are dealt in the world, all the arms that are dealt in the world,

all the secondary, quote unquote, gray electronics, the seconds, the stolen IP that's coming out of China. All of that stuff. Because if you go to India, everything is a $20 pirated smartphone, right? Hundreds of millions of these fucking things. All of this gray economy is being run somehow. And there's Bitcoin and there's Silk Road. There's all these different crazy fucking things that are out there running this shit. And that's why I was talking.

I agree with you. I agree with what you're saying because all money is now is just data. It's just this bank has this many credits and that bank has that and we swap them up. It's not based on the gold standard. It's not based on anything. And so, you know, Bitcoin or virtual currencies are interesting, but, you know, they can be hacked as, as, as, as we just saw in, in, uh, in Japan, but also, you know, what can you,isia and you've got some flax in Pakistan and those will just be wiped out and somebody then in Afghanistan will get a case of AK-47s. And that's what Bitcoin and that's what Silk Road and that's what a lot of these things ended up doing. And didn't one guy wind up going to jail because he gave bitcoins or he sold bitcoins to someone who wound up using those bitcoins to buy drugs?

See, this is the deal. And that's a very good point. He didn't even buy the drugs. Because after 9-11, what happened was the government said, and by the way, they pretty much know everything. So they went into mutual funds. They went into Switzerland. I have a house in Costa Rica and there was this development fund

in Costa Rica. A lot of foreigners go down there and retire there and they were investing in the country. But because one guy in the fund had ties to a drug cartel, everybody, they just took all the money. It was one guy in the fund had ties to a drug cartel, everybody, they just took all the money.

It was like $2.5 billion. They just took it. Oh, well, it's a drug laundering fund, so we're going to take all the money. So all these gringos lost all their retirement funds. Whoa. And by the way, what's interesting about that.

Who took that money? The American government. Sure. After 9-11. And by the way, they took trillions of dollars doing this. It's not on the books. It's not on the books It's not on the books Because they just took it in

So what do they do with it? Well there you go They're allowed to do with it Whatever they want to do? Right after 9-11 They went around everywhere And they used the world's sympathy To say okay

Now we're gonna Now we're gonna take this money We know it's drug laundering We know this is this We know this is this We know this is this We're gonna take it all And they just took it all

Wow And they How hilarious is that? They use terrorism. They use mass murder as a pretense of stealing drug dealers' money. And everybody else's around. If I invested in this thing, and then some dude I never even met invested, who one time dealt drugs, then they take get to take my money too do you know what that there's a quote about capitalizing on uh about any sort of a moment that it's negative moment well any any negative moment that it becomes even more negative you know capitalize on it like that's the idea behind almost every government they don't look at negative moments and any sort of a mass casualty event they don't look at it as just a tragedy. They also look at it as an opportunity to use that tragedy to further whatever ideas they have.

Realpolitik, zero-sum game politics. There is a winner and there is a loser and I'm going to be the winner. Yeah. I think what we're dealing with right now is the adolescence of the emergence of instant technology, the emergence of instant information. And right now, it's only a few people that have their greasy paws on this kind of shit. And when Edward Snowden comes out with all this data, when WikiLeaks comes out with all this data, and then everybody's like, wait, what? I've been calling this generation the wait-what generation

because I feel like that's what's going on. I feel like a lot of us are in the middle of going, wait, wait, what? What I like. That's real? What I like about it is that it's proof. You sit there and you say, oh, it's not true. Here it is.

Here's the NSA. Here's the FBI. Here's the CIA. These are the files. This is what it says. Here's the proof. Yeah, and it is. I mean, people used to call Alex Jones a

fucking complete crazy person And it's weird when A ranting lunatic is right 90% of the time That's when it gets scary He's right about so much shit So much of what he called in the 90's By the way when I met him

I met him in 98 And he was calling all this shit He was saying they're going to be monitoring your emails What the fuck are they going to get from my email? Where I'm going to go to do comedy? What are you going to get? 100% true. Yeah.

I mean, what we're dealing with right now is a few people that have this power. And I think it's going to come down to a point in time where as this technology increases, if you just looked at it. Don't look at it in the context of culture. Don't look at it in the context of what we're accustomed to as far as our expectations of privacy. But instead, look at it as it's a wave that's moving in a certain direction. Well, where's it going? What's it doing? It's moving in a direction.

What's the direction? Well, the direction is information being passed freely. What's money? Information. What's going to happen? It's going to hit a roadblock. And the roadblock is people want to keep a hold of their money. They want to control the money. There's going to be no control over the money. The whole thing is about access. The whole thing is about access to this information.

And as this whole thing grows and expands, it becomes more powerful and more prevalent and more pervasive. It's going to reach a bottleneck. And I think that bottleneck is money. I really do. So I've got another question. Re-money. Mm-hmm. 2008, right? Recession. What sparks out of that is riots in Europe, Arab Spring all across the Middle East,

riots in Southeast Asia, riots in South America, riots around the world by Gen Y because they completely disenfranchised no future. You take someone's future away, what they're going to do, they're going to smash it up. Why wouldn't they? That's what revolution has been historically. Okay. So now, you know, China's fucked. They're slowing down and they're in real trouble. India's Fucked. They're slowing down and they're in real trouble. India's rupee is collapsing. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. What happens when you have another economic downturn and the people who have been sort of treading water and just are starting to see some light go down again. What happens then on an economic level when you have these young people who have been fucked for the past eight years

say, okay, fuck, I'm going to have to tighten my belt for another eight? I don't know what the economy is. I don't understand it. When you talk about one house being worth $5 million and one house being worth, in Detroit, $500, and this is a valuable place to live, and this guy gets paid $100,000 for the same job that this woman gets paid $30,000 for, and they both work the same amount of hours.

At a certain point in time, it's like, what is our economy? It's a construct. Well, what are we selling? What are we buying and where where is it all coming from it's a construct we made it up right what's it but here's the question if it worked in 2006 okay if two in 2006 if everything was rosy and people were buying houses and everything was great you'd buy a house you'd sell it a year later you make 50 grand what what is that what what's different now what's different now someone will you know you talk to people that are economic experts and they give you some sort of an explanation of how people extracted money from the system how the banks we banked on the fact that the loans they were

giving shortage yeah and then somehow then they made money. What does that mean? What does it mean? Like where the same people are working, there's the same amount of stuff, there's the same amount of cars, there's the same amount of buildings, there's roughly the same amount of furniture. What the fuck is going on that all of a sudden

everything's terrible and no one can get a job? What I love... I mean, I'm obviously being very simplistic about this. What I love about it is recently somebody came up, it's a very good idea, by the way, to try to explain economic disparity. And there was a time when the aristocrats

who were, you know, benighted by God, and they owned everything and everybody else worked for them. That's how it worked. They could fuck the firstborn daughters before they got married. They could do whatever they want. They were the law. They collected the taxes. It was a mafia system. It was, we collect the tax here and pay up to the king over there. What's interesting is they just did a thing on, there's more economic disparity today than during the Downton Abbey era of the aristocracy owned everything and everybody else was like, you know, screwed, which is when the Soviet revolution started and the big socialist wave around the world because the aristocrats owned everything.

And there's more economic disparity today than there was then. economic disparity today than there was then. Is it because the people that know how to fuck with money, the 1%, they just have accumulated insane, impossible to imagine wealth? The aristocrats were given. Right. They were God given, right? We own the land. Because at the time it was horizontal production, as I have to make more carrots.

And so the only way of getting more carrots was to have more land, so I took over your land. That's why there was constant warfare. Then it went to vertical production, which is technology. So now whoever owns the sort of technological means can sort of write their own ticket. So you're exactly right. So the 1% now know how to game the system better than most. Well, here, to put it into perspective of what we were talking about earlier when i was saying that i don't understand the economy i mean i understand

competition i understand if one person is better at their job they should make more than another person who's better at their job but when you look at big money big crazy money where's it coming from a lot of times who's who's who's capitalizing on it the people that work with big money bankers like what are they doing exactly they're not digging holes they mean what the fuck are they doing where they have a trillion dollars or whatever the fuck uh you know a lehman brothers guy has who has one of those giant hundred acre estates on the hamptons like where who are they and what do they where they make their money and this is very interesting, I'm going to put it into gambling terms because I'm a gambler. If you could go to Vegas, right, and you could say, okay, I'm going to bet a billion dollars or a trillion dollars, but let's say a billion.

Let's say a million dollars so we can all, I'm going to put a million dollars on black. Well, I lost. Okay, I'm going to write that off. So I didn't really lose. I'm going to put a billion dollars on black. I lost again. Okay, I'm going to write that off. I put a billion dollars lose. I'm going to put a billion dollars on black. I lost again. Okay, I'm going to write that off. I put a billion dollars.

Oh, I won. I get to keep that money. Yeah. I play that every day. I would play that game every fucking day of the goddamn week. But guess what? They don't let you do that game in Vegas, but they let you do that game on Wall Street. It's unbelievable. It's so hard to wrap your head around when you really try to think about

the amount of money being exchanged. That's mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling. The fact that this argument was thrown about that they're too big to fail, and then the government comes in and bails them out. Taxpayers. The government doesn't have any money.

They steal it from the taxpayers. The government gets its money from taxpayers. And that's what... I just did this thing on Afghanistan, but that's the tip of the iceberg, is how much money the government throws away. And by the way, I pay a shit pile of fucking tax. So when I see that, I'm like, oh, well, my tax just went down the fucking toilet.

Like thrown away in what way? What do you mean? Well, so for example, the piece I did in Afghanistan is we've spent $100 billion in reconstruction there, and the majority of it, if not all of it, has just been flushed down the toilet. For example, a billion dollars were spent on helicopters that don't fly. Billions of dollars are spent on culvert denial system.

It's a long story, but basically to try to stop IEDs from being put into culvert. They were never built. We're paying money directly into the Taliban's hands. We build power plants that are never used because they're inefficient and too expensive because they use diesel. You can't power power plants with diesel.

And by the way, guess who collects the fees? The Taliban, because of the places where we go in to collect the fees, we are too dangerous to actually go into. So we're just throwing hundreds of billions of dollars down the toilet. That's just Afghanistan, not to mention Iraq, not to mention, by the way, DOD, not to mention here in America, et cetera, et cetera. So you sit there and you say, we're paying all this money in tax. Taxes are going up, up, up, up, up, up.

And where the fuck is the money going? The money's going into the fucking toilet many cases. And you sit there and you say, that's not fucking good, man. That's not good. And it's a sort of a symptom of what happens when money's there. When money's there and it's legal to extract it, all of a sudden a bunch of people start going, well. Well, I think unless we question, it's our money. See, this is the whole basis of democracy.

It's our government and it's our money. And what's happening now is the government is acting with impunity. And like you said i'm like what about climate change what about war what about all this and you're like well people feel disenfranchised they can't do anything about it a b it's their money that people are spending and and and and we're going well fuck they shouldn't be spending seventy eight thousand dollar hammers that's not fucking cool well the basis of democracy is you don't do that the basis of democracy is you can't do that but what's happening now and this is what i find

another problem in our modern age is okay this is a fucking huge problem yet we can't we feel we can't do anything about it and and i've said this before and now i'm into my drink so i'm going to say it again is that's why these podcasts are important. That's why media is important. That's why journalism is important. Look, you started out in a different way. You came at this from a different way. I came at this from a different way. The reason why we're doing this now is because we're frustrated. And we're saying, look, I don't want to talk about, you know, shoes fucking every day of the week. You don't want to just do stand-up or your MMA shit, both of which are amazing, but you want to do something,

holy fuck, dudes, I'm going to fucking talk about shit because this shit is important. The reason why we have to do that is because we can't be complacent. We can't just sit there and say, you know what, fuck, it's too much money or it's too much shit because they are taking money to do bad things with it. They are taking our fucking do bad things with it. They are taking our fucking freedoms and spying on us with the NSA.

And it's guys like you and guys like me and guys like, by the way, everybody out there in the fucking death squad and Red Band and all these motherfuckers, and we have to be the ones to get out there on a grassroots movement and say, fuck you, stop fucking tapping my phone, stop taking my money to fucking throw down into the Taliban's hands in Afghanistan. Stop this shit because unless we do, then there's going to be no more democracy in America. I think you're certainly right in some ways. And I think also what's going on is this idea of us versus them is completely ridiculous.

And I think people that are in positions of power are going to be forced to realize this. You are us. Yeah. All of you people that are congressmen, all you people that are senators, all you people that are mayors, of you people that are congressmen all you people that are senators all you people that are mayors all you people that are cops you are us yes there is no us and them correct especially when you're dealing with those sort of positions the positions of political power positions of authority that you are us you're not even profiting off of this you if you want to put yourself into a position where

you sell your soul to profit off it then you're not us but for right now anybody jockeying into any any sort of a political position understand that it doesn't have to be this way understand that you are us and that you are people who have wives and children and families and jobs and dogs. At the end of the day, we're all human. We're all human. And I believe that we can somehow or another construct an economy that's based on ethics and morals. I really do. I don't think there's anything that says that everybody has to be greedy.

I don't think there's anything that says that people have to capitalize in every single fucking loophole and fuck everybody over along the way. And I think one of the reasons why they've been allowed to do this or able to do this for so long is because of the lack of access to information. I think they were able to secretly hide so much shitty wrongdoing in the past and that it became policy.

It became habit. It became what you were taught when you were young when you joined a company hey this is how we do it you know you want to fucking play golf with us and drive a ferrari all right i'm in and next thing you know you're compromised just sort of like leonardo caprio's character was compromised in the wolf of wall street i don't know if that's how it actually happened in real life right but he started in with good ideas and it was invested into a completely corrupt system and then became a part of it and became a part of the corruption that is essentially most likely

what happens in every form of government essentially there's good people that eventually join this thing and then realize oh this is a completely compromised movement there's no way to fix it i'll just be one of those guys and I'll drink every night and take Xanax. I think it's going to. It has to stop. I think it has to. I agree. But I also think it's going to stop because you're not going to be able to just write it off.

It's going to be everyone, the same reason why you can spy on people in Camden, New Jersey, that is the echo of a future event that's going to happen that's going to remove all privacy. And it is inevitable. But I'm going to say, on a personal level, you've done well. I've done well.

We're two guys sort of sitting at the nice end of the spectrum saying, hey, it's got to fucking change. If you and I are saying it's got to change and we're at the winning end of the fucking scratch and win, then guess what? Shit is fucked up. Well, there's no... I agree that you and I, we're both comfortable. We don't have to worry about feeding ourselves or housing our families.

But what happens at a certain point in time when you make enough money that you don't have to worry about your bills, you, at least I, start contemplating what is important. Correct. What is important. What's important, this is so corny, but what's important is love. What's important is friendship.

Not corny. What's important is, you know, it's nice to walk down the street and say hi to your neighbor if your neighbor's happy. If your neighbor is being held at fucking gunpoint, they're dragging him in the house, it's not so fun to say hi to your neighbor. Correct. Oh, hi, neighbor, you have a gun to your neighbor if your neighbor's happy. If your neighbor is being held at fucking gunpoint and they're dragging him in the house, it's not so fun to say hi to your neighbor. Correct. Oh, hi neighbor, you have a gun to your head. Oh, sorry.

What did you do wrong? Yeah, I'm over here. Sorry, I'm having a great time. I'm going to go watch TV. I didn't do anything wrong. The game's about to be on. It's only fun if everybody's having fun. That's what community is all about.

It's one of the reasons why human beings evolved into the point where we're at right now to the point where we have cities and cultures. I mean, we had to make it at least safe enough that everybody could coexist and share. Well, we grew up in a village mentality. We all grew up in villages and everybody

hung out together, went to the pub together, and did all this shit together. That's how we operated our best. Exactly. And then we sort of separated into this sort of suburban thing. But now it's like, you're exactly right. It's this community. We're part of this community.

What I find interesting, and every time I do this podcast, I'm always blown away by it, is there's so many people out there that think exactly the same way. And we all sort of believe the same things and think the same things. And we're all interested in the same things or pissed off about the same way. And we all sort of believe the same things and think the same things and we're all interested in the same things or pissed off about the same things.

Yet, like that's millions and millions of, literally millions of fucking people. And yet it's, there's this sort of frustration as to what the fuck you do with that. Yes. Like what, what does that mean? Well, there's never been anything to do before. You had to wait for representatives to do you justice justice you had to vote for people that were going to

disappoint you you had to get yourself uh to the polls and hope that all your bitching and moaning at work and all your you know reading the wall street journal and the new york times somehow or another made a difference and most of the time it didn't it didn't because there was there was walls there was it didn't and it doesn't what Because there was walls. It didn't and it doesn't. What's the wall, though, that's not there anymore? The wall is the distribution of information. Correct. The same thing we're talking about with money. Podcast is essentially just a distribution of information device that's never been available before.

Vice is a distribution of information device that's never been available before. There was never some crazy fucks from Canada that were going to the Congo looking for dinosaurs and talking to cannibals in Liberia. That shit never happened, man. True. The most radical shit you had was John Stossel asking a pro wrestler whether or not he was real and getting smacked in the head. Oh my God, he hit him in the head.

That was like radical journalism on television, on mainstream television, just a few decades ago. I mean, that was a hard-hitting journalist. There wasn't anybody. We're going to go to Waco and watch from the background as the government takes Sherman tanks and rolls over houses. But what's really going on there? No one's going in. No one's fucking playing guitar with David Koresh and finding out what the fuck is actually happening.

You guys, David Cho would be sitting right next to David Koresh as they burnt that fucking building down. He'd be wearing asbestos underwear, jumping off the fucking roof with a camera running to you and you would upload it online. True, true, true. It's a different world. A guy like you is not supposed to be in the position that you're in. You're right.

It's true. A guy like me is not supposed to be in a position I'm in. Correct. I'm easily marginalized. I marginalize myself at every point in time I can. I want everybody to know that I'm a fucking schmo. The fact that you have a huge grassroots uprising at your back pushing you is fucking amazing, which is why I love coming here.

Well, they just know that I'm a lightning rod. That's all it is. I'm exactly like everybody else. You don't give a shit to say what you want to say. You don't give a shit. I've been hit in the head too many times, dude. There's something wrong with me. I've got issues.

For sure. I'm impulsive. I don't make smart choices. Come on. head too many times dude there's something wrong with me i've got issues for sure i mean i'm impulsive i don't make smart choices come on what i love about you is you don't give a fuck you're gonna tell the truth you're gonna say whatever it is i wish that i could back you up on this but the problem is i can't remember a time where i ever gave a fuck i don't really think it was a conscious decision that's good this lack of raising i was never raised i was raised by wolves i was thrown to the wild i think really that's what it is i never developed a sense of decor i never developed a real sense of how you're supposed to behave and act right my parents are always fucking busy

and the people i hung out with were derelicts and then fighters it was all just chaos like from the time i was a young boy there was never anything that made any sense to me so i never figured out how to integrate i was never integrated into any system so it's almost like i was designed for this like there's like like there's only one way to make someone who actually has money who's so stupid they'll say what's ironic about that is that you integrate so well because you're funny and people like you because you're funny. You know more about MMA than anyone I've ever met in my life, which is the fastest growing sport in the world. You're like the most politically astute dude around.

You know more about more shit than anyone I've ever met. So you're saying I don't fit in? You probably fit in better than anyone I've ever seen. It's the system that's broken. It's not. You're correct. What I have been very fortunate is that I grew up like this in a time where you could access enormous amounts of information. And during the last 20 years, because of this access to enormous amount of information,

enormous amounts, my perspective on the world has changed radically. Yes. change my perspective on the world has changed radically my view has broadened in in in in an insane way that's impossible to describe but i think that i represent one i just i represent one portal that almost everyone who's a part of the system whether they grew up in a way where they were forced to sort of integrate and they, they, they did things that I didn't do because they had a better upbringing or whatever it was. They also see it. But my position,

my job is the lightning rod. I'm, I'm the, I'm the guy who's got a door open. I'm like, come on, let's go. There's a fucking,

I found a door. I mean, that's all it is. It's just, and what you guys are doing is way crazy. What I'm doing, what I'm doing is talking about what you guys are doing is way crazy than what I'm doing. What I'm doing is talking about what you guys are doing. You're off going to fucking North Korea and having lunch with these fucking psychopaths.

And, you know, you're going to visit slave camps where they think they're in North Korea, but they're actually in Russia. Was that where they are? Yeah, Russia, yeah. They think they're in North Korea, but they're actually in Russia. Yeah, they're in slave concentration camps in North Korea, but they're actually in Russia. Yeah, they're in slave concentration camps in North Korea, but they're actually in Russia doing slave labor.

Yeah, see, you're going to all these places like the North Pole. Well, you're not going to see me there, but I'm the lightning rod. I'll stay right here. All right. Keep the lights on. Any time you want to come by,

we'll hit the switch and we'll broadcast. Wow. I love coming. Has Vice done anything about the Cove or anything about the dolphins situation up in Japan? Yeah. I noticed your hat there. Yeah. We have, actually, and we're doing a lot more on not just the cove, which is a tiny problem.

It's actually a global problem in the fact that we've overfished everything, so there's no more fish left. And so now what we're doing is just, you know, completely, the only fishermen left are the sort of, you know, the bad ones who are like persaining and taking the whole. Almost like pirates. Exactly. They take the whole tuna pod and they put a thing around.

They move the whole pod in one go. And the dolphins and everything that hunt the tuna and sharks and everything, they all get killed. They just kill the fuck out of everything. We're really good at killing the fuck out of everything. Well, the Japanese are ruthless when it comes to that shit. Quite frankly, we're all ruthless. We're all ruthless with dolphins? We're all ruthless.

The United States is killing dolphins? Every single nation that fishes. So I'm from Canada originally. And there was a time when the ships, the joke was the ships couldn't get through the Grand Banks off New Brunswick. Because there were so many fish. There's no fish left anymore. And by the way, you're people who deny everything. They're like, the seals ate all the fucking fish.

Fucking seals. So we should have the seal hunt. It wasn't the Portuguese, the Japanese, the Canadians, the Americans who fucking persened it for fucking 50 years and ate all the goddamn fish and threw everything else out. No, it wasn't that. It was the fucking seals. Anyway, we have destroyed the fish stocks.

There's no more fucking fish. Now everything has to be farmed, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. There's no more fish in the Grand Banks. It was the biggest fish stocks in the fucking world. Why? Because we used to fish a you know, we used to fish a certain way.

Then we just said, fucking take all the fish. Take everything. Scoop it. Just scoop the fucking whole fucking side of the ocean and we'll just take it. Is it because of just a need? Economics. Economics.

People need more fish? There's more people that need fish? If you go to any store, this is an interesting thing that I, you go to any store in the world, any store, you can be in Congo, you can be in Australia, you can be in Vietnam, Myanmar, you can be here in America. You know what they're going to have on the, on the, on the shelf of any shitty bodega in the fucking world? Tuna. Hmm.

Canned tuna fish. So it's like a staple. And when you realize the, the stakes that we're talking now, like I was doing this, uh, uh, piece on, on fake food in China, they have fake eggs, right? Yeah. What is that? And I'm like, you have fake eggs. So they're making a, a, a fake soy construct for the shell and a fake chemical thing for the

thing and the yolk. I'm like, how much does a fucking egg cost? Like an egg is free. You get a chicken and fucking eggs come out. How much does it take to make a chemical egg cost? Like an egg is free. You get a chicken and fucking eggs come out. How much does it take to make a chemical egg? You know, it must cost a lot more than the actual egg itself. It doesn't make any sense. There's no eggs in China. You know, there's no milk in China. So they're just buying all of the dairies in France. It was a big article today. They need food. So they're making fake food. But you sit there and you say, okay, tuna. It's on every single country in the world that has tuna. Well, there's no more tuna. We ate it all because everybody eats tuna.

When you start saying that everybody has to have that one thing because you're like all these biggest corporations in the world, what do they sell? Light bulbs, tampons, you know, toothbrushes, shit that everybody needs. Every single person in the world needs a fucking toothbrush or light bulb, so they make billions of dollars.

Tuna, right? There's no more tuna. So what the fuck do they do? They say, well, just take everything. Take the kids, take the eggs, take the fucking, you know, the adults, take the breeding females, take everybody, chop it up, put it in a fucking tuna can. Wow. And that's the problem, is take everybody, chop it up, put it in a fucking tuna can.

Wow. And that's the problem. Is food, and by the way, this is happening now with beef. I know you're into grass-fed beef. Beef now is a huge problem. Prices skyrocketing. Why? Because now everybody wants beef.

People have a bit more bucks or whatever. And so now beef prices are going through the roof. They're also getting sneaky with their grass-fed. 100%. Like what they're calling grass-fed. You could go to Whole Foods. They have this new thing that they're doing where they call it pasture-raised.

Have you seen that? Look, beef is fucked. Fish is fucked. Protein in general is fucked because it's expensive. It's expensive to fucking rear and make happen. But fish, by the way, is the scariest because we've overfished to the point where there are, like, unless it's farmed, we're fucked.

And it doesn't seem like there's any light at the end of the tunnel either. Well, this is the thing, and I keep saying this when I come on this show, is where are all the adults? Like, okay, isn't it, like, if there's, if the option is where are all the adults like okay isn't it like if there's if the option is we can stop eating so much fish for a little bit and then have fish forever or we can just keep on eating all the fucking fish and then never have fish forever ever again wouldn't it be the same decision to say let's eat a little bit less fish so we can all have fish forever. No, we're actually doing the opposite and saying, well, no one actually has the,

because if we don't do it, then the Japanese will do it. And if the Japanese are doing it, then we have to do it. So we're all going to just eat all the fish. Well, you don't hear about that story because it's important to talk about Miley Cyrus twerking. It's very important. We don't have time for your tuna nonsense When young Miley She was Hannah Montana and now she's twerking Yeah

It's disturbing that you don't hear more of it And I think that's an issue with most people That follow the mainstream media Most people that work a 9 to 5 plus You know commuting time They simply do not have time And it's hard Life is hard

And you don't want to come home And have a lot of. It's very hard. Life is hard. Yeah. And you don't want to come home and have a couple of old motherfuckers like us. Yeah. Guess what? All the fish is gone, you fucking dirty bastard. Stop eating your fucking tuna fish sandwich. You don't want to be on the fucking subway listening to this. It's hard.

Yeah. It's difficult. But the problem is, is the bill is not only in the mail, it's been fucking delivered. We did a lot of bad things for a long time, and now the bill has been delivered, and we're sitting here going, there's no more fish, boys. Sorry. And by the way, guess what?

We're not going to wake up. This is the sad thing about humans. We're not going to wake up until you walk into the Quickie Mart or the 7-Eleven or whatever the fuck it is, and there's no more tuna on the shelves. You go, what happened to the fucking tuna? Yeah, we ate it all.

Yeah, that's a weird thing about us, isn't it? We have that issue. We don't recognize things until it's like, it's like they say about addicts, that addicts have to hit rock fucking bottom before they'll stop doing drugs. Like, they have to have overdoses where they're almost dead. Change addicts with humans.

Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think it's a similar thing that we do when we get into patterns like guys who are gambling addicts. You ever met a gambling addict? Me. Well, you're fine. Listen, you're fine.

David Cho. No, he's fine too. But you're talking about two wealthy guys. The scary gambling addicts are the guys who are broke who have to fucking bet. I knew this guy. His name was White Plains Charlie. White Plains Charlie. Good name.

White Plains Charlie might have weighed 50 pounds. He used to hang out at the pool hall that I used to go to, and he was a real good pool player. He was an old man who was a gambling junkie who used to steal candy bars in the pool hall. You'd see him fucking sneaky. I mean, he just needed some form of nutrition. All White Plains Charlie would do all day was gamble in one way or another. He lived in a boarding house. He had a room somewhere or a bed or somewhere.

And he was probably, when I met him, probably deep in his 60s. White Plains Charlie used to go to the fucking horse races every day. And he would come to the pool hall after he went to the horse races and like this motherfucker i bet this horse this fucking i'm like come on you cocksucker it always same story always losing and if he did have some money you could tell because he was all squirrely and he could see him and everybody knew and then he would wind up gambling and losing that money. But these poor fucks, man, they could never just get a job, get their shit together. They were addicted to these weird thrills. Yes.

And they would hit rock bottom and just scrape together enough money. And then they decided somewhere along the line, Charlie decided to just live at rock bottom. Like, rock bottom was where he was. He always smelled. He would take cigarettes out of ashtrays and light them up again and you know he's essentially not homeless but might have well been homeless was always broke always bumming money always asking someone to stake him this motherfucker can't beat me i'm gonna play this motherfucker i'm gonna rob him you're gonna we're gonna make a lot

of money come on man come on man back me back me me up on this. And he was just addicted to it. He would crash and just keep going. And there's a lot of people like that when it comes to anything. And I think that's a human characteristic, this denial and this ability to rationalize the position that you're in. And I think as a species, we do that. Well, I forget. I'm going to misquote this. I'm going to butcher it.

do that? Well, I forget. I'm going to misquote this. I'm going to butcher it, but there's a definition of insanity, which is we go to bed every night with the same thing facing us and the same conditions facing us the next day. And we wake up thinking it's going to be different. Yeah. That's the simplified version is the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result. Correct. Which is basically the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result correct which is basically the definition of humanity and the definition of history what's also one of the reasons why we're such bad motherfuckers that we're able to like put things aside and trudge ahead it's also the the definition of of religion because they're like yeah it's shitty again today but guess what when you When you're dead, it's going to be awesome. Jesus will be there.

You had another bad day. It sucked again, and you worked real hard. But when you're dead, it's going to be awesome. Can you imagine? Fred Phelps is dead. You know that? The Westboro Baptist Church guy? Oh, yeah.

He died. Imagine the day, if Jesus is real, the day that that guy meets Jesus and Jesus is like, that's not what I meant. Right. Like, oh my God. You know what I love about it is I travel a lot to hardcore Islamic countries and they're like, yeah, you're going to jihad and suicide bombers and you're going to go to paradise. You're going to have virgins. And you're like, yeah, it's fucking crazy. And you come back to America and you're like,

those motherfucking Taliban and Al-Qaeda, they're crazy motherfuckers. They believe they're going to fucking die in jihad and go to heaven. What do you guys believe? We believe in Jewish zombies that walk on water. I believe that I get to work every day and have a bad life every day of my life,

and then I'm going to fucking die and go to heaven. Yeah. Well, we don't believe in virgins, so it's less ridiculous. It's less ridiculous. The problem is there. I don't get 70 virgins, but I live on a cloud and eat Velveeta cheese. Our shit is more reasonable and updated. Their shit is very ancient.

Like, they're dealing with an... I believe that what's going on in the Middle East Is that the Middle East I've said this before Is the cradle of civilization That's where Mesopotamia was Babylon That's where Sumer was

I think Turkey The oldest known civilization That's built complex structures Is in Gobekli Tepe In Turkey This new thing that they found Over the last decade Incredible structures The people that are still there I think are the townies of the world Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, this new thing that they found over the last decade, incredible structures.

The people that are still there, I think, are the townies of the world. That's what I think it's like. It's like when you go back to where you grew up and all those assholes that stay, they're just so backwards and outdated. I go to where I grew up and I see my friends that are still in the same town. I'm like, fuck, man. You guys got to get out of here. Hey, these fucking fags want to get fucking married and pay taxes. You're Italian.

Where did you grow up? Newton, Massachusetts. Newton, Upper Falls. That's actually a great place to live. I'm just talking shit. But what I'm talking about is that there are certain people that live in an area, and that area has an ideology that's very rigid and they never get out of it yeah these this because they their ideology was created

15 000 years ago they have the echoes of that retarded civilization but thought the world was flat they worship goats the interesting thing about islam though is it was created much as you say as a uh it was basically uh by the way watch a jihad be uh announced for a fatwa on me it was created because Muhammad went to Judea and said oh this there's this new Christian thing going on so it was this monotheistic thing saying oh there's this new one god religion I'm going to take that on. So Judaism, actually in the Quran it says the people of the book, there's the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims, and they're all the same because they're monotheistic. And you say, oh, okay, well, that's interesting, people of the book.

You know, we're all in it together. Why the fuck have you been, you know, fighting us, you know, the whole time? Well, we have different versions of heaven. Well, how about the Islamic people themselves have two different sects of Islam that battle each other to the death, which is one thing that... A lot more than two, but yeah, two big ones.

The big one in Iraq, the Sunni and Shia that we didn't know about in Iraq. When people started blowing each other up in Iraq and we found out that it was Islamic people attacking rival Islamiclamic sex we were like wait a minute how crazy are these fucking people this is a civil war amongst christians exactly what i was trying to get to is judaism christianity islam are basically the same religion they started the same yes well similarly rooted exactly there you go yeah and

so and so the people of the book, et cetera, et cetera. And you sit there and saying, your definition of heaven is different than my definition, or your definition of this is different, or Jesus was a prophet, but Muhammad was a real prophet. And you say, okay, because of all that, we're going to kill the fuck out of each other for a long fucking time. And at that point, you're like, well, this is just fucking stupid. Well, it's all fucking stupid.

Because we look at them and say, oh, you're going to get 70 virgins because you blew yourself up with the suicide vest? 72. You're fucking ridiculous. However, I'm going to go to heaven and live on a cloud with my fucking savior, Jesus. How is that any fucking different? It's just as ridiculous. But you know the term 72

virgins? Apparently what they mean when they say 72. Raisins. 72 is like you would say a fucking kazillion You know It's just the ideas of bounty There's one event I'm saying was actually meant 72 raisins Raisins?

Look the fact of the matter is Yeah it was raisins Look that up google it 72 raisins is a fucking skimpy little box. I want you to fucking back me up on the 72 raisins. If I bought a box of raisins and there was only 72, I'd be pissed. Five bars. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, that bit. That old school bit. Yeah, the idea that 72 raisins is a lot of raisins is just as insulting as 72 virgins in heaven. But what's interesting is those religions were created. Muslim martyrs get 72 raisins instead of virgins. Oh, God. Is that up there? Yeah.

Hey! Well, we believe you. You're good. You're very good right back. Google's good. It's not like you went out and read books. The kid didn't go out and get an encyclopedia. Ran outside with his library card.

Right. I just typed. In the future, you won't even have and get an encyclopedia. Ran outside with his library card. Right. I just typed. In the future, you won't even have to type. But there you go. It's tying it back to information. How about the fact that we have all information in the world, in the history of the world, at our fingertips at all times? Scary as fuck. It's crazy.

There was one thing I was going to say about. You're exactly right. When you said the freedom of information, the freedom. It will save us, but it will change us. It's going to change everything. It will change us, but it will save us. Look, it was just us. This is something I like to do all the time.

I like to play this game. But it was only us four. It was Brian, Jamie, you, and I. We were the only people on earth. We'll be in trouble. You can read my email. Who cares? I'm emailing you guys. I mean, you could borrow my food. were the only people on earth. We'd be in trouble. You could read my email. Who cares? I'm emailing you guys.

I mean, you could borrow my food. There's only four of us. If there's only four of us, all the food we have, we better fucking share it. All the vegetables we have, we better fucking share it. Why wouldn't we? If you build a dope house and you spend all your time building that dope house, I mean, that's your house and all. I should probably build my own house.

But we would help each other. Correct. You couldn't really house. But, you know, we would help each other. Correct. You couldn't really build a house on your own. We would need each other. Why wouldn't we? Right. We don't necessarily need each other when there's 300 million of us. And so we have a real issue.

Or 7 billion. And we have a real issue. But we're going to be able to read each other's minds, man. That is common. And we're going to need real, not not purity of thought because there's nothing wrong with being perverted we have to understand that we are perverted well all the things that people enjoy yeah the things that people enjoy sex and talking shit and jerking off and and all the nonsense that we enjoy is a part of us it's a part of our animal life and we hide a lot of these things because of our culture

we hide a lot of these things because of you know we want to have jobs and we want to have you know there's another bottle of that jack over there we'll crack the other bottle oh shh there's another bottle of jack-o'-lantern sody pop with extra vitamin c it's it's it's a part of what we are, and we're shielding ourselves from our sexuality and our reality by hiding and bullshitting. All that bullshit and hiding. The things that I don't have to do

because I'm a comedian, the things that Brian doesn't have to do, we can say crazy shit about what we've done and what we do and drugs and sex and nonsense. We can talk about all that because there's no expectations on us to be normal. We're comedians. We're entertainers. We're crazy people.

But for the average person, the average person with a fucking corporate job can't make a YouTube video about doing DMT and getting blown by but did we talk about this before i don't know because my brain is softening but tartening just only remembering important shit but i don't know if we talked about this it's it's it's it's a good thing because i've just forgotten my question but i hold on what was what my what i was saying was that the expectations on guys like me and brian they don't exist because we're already silly we're ridiculous people that are it's fine if we talk about drugs it's fine if we talk about oh yes that was the thing you were saying that yeah so i don't know if we talked about this before, but what I find disturbing about political representation is I've done a lot of crazy shit. I left home when I was like 13 and a half.

I've been a bad boy. I've been a robber. You are a bad boy. I did a lot of bad things. I did a lot of drugs, did a lot of crazy things. the drugs, did a lot of crazy things. The fact that our politicians, and this is one thing that freaked me out a bit,

Mitt Romney, is here's a guy who didn't ever do anything. And by the way, I don't want someone who never did anything. I want someone who's done everything. I want someone who reflects me. So when people say, you know what, Shane? You fucking did drugs, and you fucking did this, and you fucking whacked

off, and you fucking cum-s you fucking whacked off and you fucking cum sodden bastard i'm like yes yeah i'm fucking human human and by the way i would like a politician to say yeah i whacked off and came in my fucking bag yeah fucking no way i fucking because that's uh how we are as normans normal normal The fact that we have people who have to be squeaky clean, which nobody is, by the way. And the fact that you have to be, to me, if you're squeaky clean, you got 20 fucking dead bodies in your goddamn basement. Because I don't trust those motherfuckers who are squeaky clean. Or you're crazy. I've never met anyone who's squeaky clean.

And nor do I want to. We're human. And what you're saying is exactly right. You're fucking freaky business. I've got got freaky business everyone's got freaky business now do i want everyone in the world to know that i've had some freaky business probably probably not you say not but that's because everybody else can hide their freaky business when there's no hiding i don't mind about there's some things i do there's something where There's some things I do. There's some things... What I'm trying to get at is

what I would like from my representation is humanity. Yeah. Right? Like, we all fuck up. We all do crazy shit. We all do some fucking thing. If I look back,

well, you fucking admit to everything. You're like, I'll fuck everybody. Wouldn't it be nice if, like, that Wiener guy, if the guy who was running up against Andrew Wiener, if he went, hey, look. Yes, I'll fuck everybody. Wouldn't it be nice if that Wiener guy, the guy who was running up against Andrew Wiener, if he went, hey, look. Yes, I did. Who cares? The guy likes to get a hold of freaky bitches.

But not even him. The guy running against him. What if he said, who cares? The guy likes to email chicks pictures of his dick. What do you give a fuck? It's just sex. What does that have anything to do with the economy? Well, his character.

His character is suspect. But that's what they do. Yeah, that's what they do. The thing is they go after character. And my thing is when they go after my character, I go, yes, sir. I did that. I put it in the bum bum and I don't feel bad about it.

I've never done that. You don't have to be a squeaky clean guy because the expectations aren't on you in that job. But we have this weird expectation that our politicians are saviors. And why? Politicians should represent us. And if they never do anything bad, then they don't represent us. Because we all do bad shit. By the way, what's bad?

We all do human shit. So why the fuck aren't our politicians representative of who we are, which is all doing human shit? Well, let's put it into perspective. This will probably help this discussion. This whole idea of voting for someone is 200 years old. Human culture has been around for 10,000, who knows how many thousands of years. Voting for someone is really new.

New, yeah. Okay? So it's a popularity contest instead of a monarchy, instead of a dictatorship, instead of... I wish it was a popularity contest. It's a name recognition contest because you don't know the other fucking names. That's why it's all these commercials and all this bullshit. It's a rig recognition contest because you don't know the other fucking names that's why

it's all these commercials and all this bullshit it's a rigged popularity contest between two parties that are both represented by the same monopolies and giant corporations but it's still this new thing that they're trying to figure out to us it'll go through our whole time and i'm here quoting smedley butler war is just a racket. Well, that's just because the politicians have really only existed in this form for a brief spasm of time, a twitch. The king was born into power. Exactly. Now we have to find these fucking guys. And they always have.

Or they usurp the power. Everyone's like, oh, Hillary Clinton's going to win. You're like, why? Because they know her name. They know the fucking name. Unless it comes out that Hillary Clinton is stuffing babies back up her pussy and smothering them. Well, that'll come out. Unless that comes out, yeah.

She's got a good shot. I quite frankly don't think that she'll run. I thought you were going to say I was quite frankly don't think she stuffs babies up her pussy. I'll go, listen, man, this is not, I'm not being literal. I don't think she'll run because I think, I think, look, name recognition is there. Maybe she'll run. I don't know. But I don't think she'll run because she's old.

She's sick. Things are coming out now that she's got health issues. She is? She has health issues? She has health issues. What is it? By the way, I don't even know if the health issues are true. They're making a big deal about them.

Well, she's an older woman. She's older. Older men, older women, they have health issues. She's in her 60s, right? How old is she? She's quite old. Well, let's look it up. I don't know.

I don't want to get caught out. I would say, I'm going to guess, I'd say she's 62. 69. I'd say 68. 69. You got it? Fucking asshole. No, that's what I would say.

No, that's what he said. She's quite old Like Clinton Clinton's Bill Clinton's Very old guy She's 66 years old Yeah

So look She gets elected at 68 That's when people start dying You know Yeah 68's old That's I mean we used to make fun of Reagan Reagan was in his 70's

How old was he Was he He was in his 70's Look that up Was he in his 70's I believe so I believe he was in his 70's When old was he? He was in his 70s Look at that Was he in his 70s? I believe so I believe he was in his 70s When he was president

Because he was a bit Because there was that Dennis Miller joke He was a bit He was a bit daughtery My grandfather was 72 And we don't let him Use a remote control

For the TV He was a bit daughtery Now everybody's like Oh fuck Reagan Reagan He was the best Oh my god

He was the best You know what Can I ask you another question? Please do. The Republicans are all getting in line to say, I'm a Reagan Republican. Reagan, Reagan, Reagan, Reagan, Reagan. Why isn't the Democratic Party lining up saying, I'm a fucking Clinton centrist, fucking took the worst deficit in American history to the biggest surplus in American history.

Best president fucking serving in the 1900s. Why is he so vilified? The scandal. Is it Monica Lewinsky? 100%. That's it. Character. He got a blow job.

So the fact that he was probably the greatest president of the last century goes out the window. job so the fact that he was probably the greatest president of the last century goes out the window he disparaged the great office of the presidency with his penis do you know what he would do to women he would get them alone and pull his penis apart as opposed to as opposed to every other president except for ron wright because his penis didn't work i wonder you know what the standard move was before viagra i wonder you know wonder if at a certain point in time you could trust a president because they didn't get hard-ons anymore. There's a book by Plato called The Gorgias where the main guy in it says, I only became a good politician when I put all the passions behind me because he's like 70 and he couldn't get his dick hard anymore. And he could just be reasonable.

And that was, and he, that was the foundation of democracy was my dick doesn't work anymore. So I'll just start democracy. So ruin everyone else's lives. That was, that was the founder. Maybe that was gorgeous. That was, that was the first book of Plato who, Socrates never wrote anything plato wrote it all he said

socrates said this and then that was the foundation of democracy he didn't really ruin it for anybody because back then their their ideas of civilization were pretty fucking loose and compared to what correct i mean socrates and plato are both fucking little boys left and right yes that was and it was only it was only the dudes, you know, there was like 100 people, slave owners, and you could vote. So it was like, we're going to base it on their democracy where they went to the agra and said, yay or nay.

Do you think the future presidents would definitely embrace the whole Clinton thing? Because look at Obama with doing that video with Zachary Galvinakis. What do you mean, like, the whole Clinton thing? Well, Obama with doing that video I don't think what do you mean like the whole Clinton thing well Obama just did a video with Zach Galifianakis is doing a lot of heat from and that's kind of showing like a really cool president in my opinion what do you mean by getting heat mean a good way or a bad way he's been getting when you say for doing that

video but what do you mean by heat bad way bad way a bad way saying that the part there's a lot of people think think that Fox News especially think that the president shouldn't be put in that kind of situation. Even though that he was like on, you know, presidents in the past have done Jay Leno and shit like that. Right. They just don't understand. Remember Clinton? He got on Arsenio and played fucking sax. Sax, right.

Exactly. I wish that Democrats would embrace Clinton as Republicans have embraced Reagan. Reagan, when I grew up, was a joke. He was a doddering old guy who didn't know shit. Yeah, me too. And now they're like, oh, fucking, I'm better. I'm more Reagan than you're Reagan. Well, I grew up.

Whereas Clinton, everyone's like, get the fuck away from him. And you're like, hold on a second. This guy took the largest deficit in the history of fucking America and turned it into the largest surplus. Now, they credit Reagan for that, but it was under Clinton. And, you know, this guy was like a consensus politician. You know, he worked with the Republicans. The government actually worked, which it doesn't do now. the Republicans, the government actually worked, which it doesn't do now. Why wouldn't Obama, why wouldn't the Democrats say, I'm a fucking Clintonist? They don't, because the Republicans did such a fucking great job at, by the way, an amazing politician and a consensus politician being destroyed because you like to fuck. Well helped him other than the Republicans the goddamn Democrats helped him women helped him Democrat men who are pussies and white Knights they helped him everybody helped they all pointed at him Well, look at I wouldn't do that why he fucked up

Maybe you would maybe you would you're a fat guy with a giant penis nose It was all of a sudden president and everybody wants to touch you Yeah, you probably do some crazy shit probably can't even believe you're doing it while you're doing you probably can't believe when you're alone they shut that door good evening mr president have a good night they shut that door and you're alone in the oval office like get the fuck but it started before that i'm sure i was reading this amazing article recently about like hillary clinton and the clinton presidency in the lead-up to the clinton presidency it was like they have been uh implicated in murders they've been implicated in

they were they were pushed for impeachment sex with men sex with women uh uh you know scandals over millions of dollars and you're like that's that's House of Cards shit. Well, who knows how much of it is true? But you know what it is? It doesn't matter if it's true because perception is reality. But what is true is there's a fucking PR war with all those... What's the thing on House of Cards?

I haven't watched that show. I just watched the first episode. It's so fucking good. Don't be a spoiler person. But anyway, all this sort of PR shit that goes on. If you fuck with me and don't vote for this, I'm going to PR attack you, and I'm going to get my super PAC to attack you on this shit,

and I'm going to do this whenever. And the thing is, is what's interesting is they're taking real life shit that's happening in American politics, and they put it into like a thing that we can understand i love it i don't like a lot of the the gay sex no that i love no the tricky sort of directorial tricks but what i do love is taking real life shit and saying here's here's what's actually happening and we're going to put it into a drama. And it's actually like Shakespeare. It's like Macbeth or something. And we're watching our own politics as a play.

And it's insane. And when you read, actually, what they've been through, what they've done. And by the way, what's good for the goose is good for the, they're not fucking, they're not blameless. Of course they're. No one's blameless.

No one's blameless. Not the left, not the right, not the center. No, everybody. No libertarians, Green Party. They're all freaks. 100%. They're all freaks. And by the way, if you're running for politics, you're a freak full stop.

Well, that's, I think, also one of the reasons why nobody wants to get behind the Clintons is you start looking into their past, the Whitewater stuff. Sure. Whitewater, is that the right name? Yeah. Is that the right term? I don't know, but I know what you mean when you say it. What was Watergate? Yeah the Whitewater stuff. Sure. Whitewater, is that the right name? Yeah. Is that the right term? I don't know, but I know what you mean when you say it. What was Watergate?

Yeah, Whitewater. Watergate was Nixon. Whitewater. I get the two of them confused sometimes. But did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster? No, but I read about the fact that they were implicated in a death. Yeah, The Strange Death of Vince Foster. What are you doing over there?

Death of Vince Foster. What are you doing over there? Death of Vince Foster is a very interesting book that I read. I really have to go back and reread it because I haven't read it in a long time. But it's an investigation of this guy, Vince Foster. And Vince Foster worked with the Clintons, and it tied Bill and Hillary Clinton to the alleged murder of Vincent Foster. And what's really interesting about this, for sure, this fucking guy, for sure, was moved. They found his body, gun in the hand, which you never find in suicide. The gun is never in your hand when you commit suicide.

When you commit suicide, boom, the gun goes flying, your fucking body spasms. This gun was like stuck to his thumb, like there. This was in the thing. And his body. Suicide, murders. This is House of Cards. I'm not going to fuck with you on it, but we got to stop talking about it because it's House of Cards shit.

Well, I want to watch that show. It's pretty dope. But you know, it's about that shit. It's about, like, they're involved in some seriously, and you're, like, watching this thing saying it's like Shakespeare or it's like whatever, like it's Hollywood. And then you read actually what happened

and you go, oh, fuck. Like, there's some truth to that shit. The only problem with this, I think a lot of it was compiled. Kenneth Starr's investigation, oh, they're saying Kenneth Starr's investigation was part of the shit. The only problem with this, I think a lot of it was compiled. Kenneth Starr's investigation was part of the conspiracy. Starr was a patsy for the Clintonites. And when people think about Kenneth Starr,

they think about a guy who goes after Clinton. He was part of what was... Wasn't he the guy that was investigating Clinton and chasing after him with Monica Lewinsky? But they're calling him a patsy for the Clintons. I don't know, man. The whole fucking thing is when you start realizing,

like, oh, they might all be murderers. They might be just par for the course. Just like these people, anyone, just think of this, anyone who's willing to say, yes, we should go to war on some shaky grounds, you're a murderer. But also, anyone who's saying, I'm going to go and try to get elected and not have any bad shit from my life ever come out. I don't know anyone in my life that I've ever met that hasn't had some bad shit. Well, the only way you can do that is to kill people that know bad shit about you or scare the fuck out of them so they can't come up with all that bad shit.

Exactly. And, I mean, they were involved in some shady real estate deals. There was a... Yeah. First of all, the big one is MENA, Arkansas. Do you know about all that? Do you know about... MENA, Arkansas is a fucking trip, man.

MENA, Arkansas was where Barry Seale, who worked for the cia was dropping all the cocaine that he got from south america they would fly in on these fucking planes and drop packages off in me to arkansas and then land and they go pick up the packages well they drop these packages you know they're dropping fucking millions of dollars worth of cocaine. And these kids who lived in Mena, Arkansas, were hanging out on these train tracks. They found these packages. The people, whoever the fuck worked for the CIA, found these kids, murdered them,

and then laid their body on the train tracks. The autopsies were done. The kids were high. They fell asleep on the train tracks. Parents didn't believe it. They said, look, these kids didn't get high. This is bullshit. So they hired an independent investigation.

The independent investigation finds that the kids have been murdered. The kids have been stabbed. So it wasn't a matter of them dying from train tracks. Their bodies were laid on the trains post-mortem. So then they start digging deeper and they find out more and more

shit and then this guy Barry Seal gets popped. And it turns out that Barry Seal had been flying back and forth from the fucking South American coke dealers forever. Hold on a second. He died. See, they murdered him in his car when he was on his way to testify with George Bush's phone number

in his fucking pocket. Okay? That guy literally sold drugs for the CIA. Like, literally. Like, testified, gave all these accounts of it. I want the movie rights to this story. That's crazy. Oh, you'll never hear it.

There's all these pictures of him with all these South American guys, like fucking, what's his name, Manuel Noriega and Pablo Escobar. There's photos of this fucking guy with everybody. Holy shit, dude. They were bringing in coke money. And this was all happening in Arkansas. The guy whose state is bringing in fucking gazillion dollars in Coke money every year winds up. First of all, how the fuck do you run a shitbag state like Arkansas?

Sorry, no offense, Arkansasansas folks i'm sure there's some good spots and i'm sure you got great barbecue but let's be realistic how the fuck does the governor of arkansas wind up to be the the the king of the entire country you gotta get a lot of money and if you had a lot of money why would you be running for office in arkansas like what's arkansas man why are Arkansas? I've got a question. What's going on? If you had that much money. Arkansas people, don't get offended. It takes billions of dollars to run for president

of the United States. Billions. Billions. If you have that much money or that much support, why the fuck would you want that gig? Because I don't know any president besides Reagan, but which by the way is a, uh, a construct.

Cause when he was in power, it was a fucking disaster. But you go, okay. Like, why would you want that job? No one comes out unscathed. No one comes out like, you know what? That fucking president was awesome. Well, Reagan didn't even come out unscathed.

No, no, no. He came out fucking, he was a dog until we said, you know what? That fucking president was awesome. Well, Reagan didn't even come out on stage. No, no, no. He came out. He was a dog until we said, you know what? He was the best one ever. But the thing is, is you sit there and go, why? They're going to put everything you've ever done under a microscope. Well, not only that. Everything you've ever met is under a microscope. Everything you've ever said is under a microscope.

Why the fuck would you want that fucking job? Well, not only that. I mean, that's certainly got to be impossible. An impossible task for any normal human being, especially a man. Any man with a functional penis is going to have some fucking terrible stories in his past. But that said, forget about all that.

The idea that any one person should be like that is what's most ridiculous. Exactly. Not even the idea that they're going to look all this stuff up and find all this. And then there's the idea that any one person. Clinton should have killed somebody. Just JK. Just JK.

Yeah. Just JK. Just the idea that one person really can run the whole country. Like, we need a head guy. Like, why do we need a head guy? Do we really still need that? I don't know. But what I'm saying is, to get there, those motherfuckers have to be shady.

Because if you look at like George Bush Sr., he was like a backroom bureaucrat, but he was head of the CIA. He's like our fucking Putin. And then he gets in and he's just like this sort of non-effectual sort of like nothing fucking dude. But he's like the head of the fucking CIA. And you sit there and you just go, I don't even know what the fuck's happening here anymore. I don't know what you're writing over there. What happens if presidents become like tuna?

Like we get to a point where nobody wants to be president. I don't want to be president. Everybody's like, fuck this. You know what's funny? We get to a point where there's like literally no one running for president We have the presidential election today And everybody's like

Whenever I do political pieces They're like you should By the way I've seen it with you too On Twitter and shit they're like you should run for office You guys should run for office Joe Rogan for president And you're like are you fucking crazy Are you fucking crazy What kind of a fucking stressful job, even if you were the

most perfect Yoda, Buddha angel that made it to age 45 and never did a crime and never smoked a joint and never did a bump, whatever, you know, even if you were, what kind of crazy pressure would that be to all of a sudden you're the guy who's deciding whether or not military action takes place. You're the guy who's deciding whether or not a policy is going to be instituted like Obamacare that people are going to fucking freak out. I don't. Dude, if you make a YouTube video that people don't like, they want you to die. Could you imagine what it must feel like to be the guy who invented obamacare i have personally seen people freak the fuck out

get purple faced sweat flying off their head talking about the nonsense that is obamacare i don't understand it i don't know who's right i don't i i'm not a small business owner in that sense where they have a higher you know a bunch of people and for their, I don't know what's good and what's bad I don't even understand why it was instituted in the first place I'm not sure I totally get it because I've heard too many different versions battle it out Are we supposed to do something by the way

this is like the last week you guys are taken care of, you don't have to worry about anything Do we have to say yes or no because they make it seem like you're going to get fined if you don't do the right thing. I think for individuals, I'm not sure how it works. But I know that you guys always had insurance. So I think it's essentially the same insurance. Is it essentially the same?

I don't know. You're all going to die. I don't think it's any different. No one knows, though. I've had so many people who are going to get fined. This is going to be the most money that the government's ever made by not telling us about this. I don't understand it. We don't have to get bogged down because I'll just

go off for hours about this. What I was just saying is that I don't think anybody should have that kind of responsibility. I don't think any person should have the weight of the world like that on their back. I think there has to be a better way to collectively decide what's going on than to give one guy white hair. It's crazy.

Poor motherfuckers man nobody can do that gig here's a guy he's you man how old are you how old are you 44 he's just a little older than you yeah that's nonsense well i don't know about that because older people are even more crazy but that's absolute craziness what i'd like to say is i agree with you that we're gonna vote a collective me to try to make those decisions because there is no collective me. What I mean by he's you and me by he's the same age, what I mean is I'm just putting it into perspective that I don't feel anyone ever is the guy.

100%. It can't be done. Yes. It cannot be done. It's a ridiculous proposition. He's going to go toe to toe With Putin over Crimea If I'm going to go toe to toe With Putin over Crimea

I'm going to say you know what I lost Because that guy used to run the KGB He's got all the guys on the ground With all their weapons He's already won What the fuck am I going to do To stop it Could you imagine if they had Obama

If they did something to Obama could you imagine if they had obama if they did something to obama like could you imagine if something happened where like well you know that guy that got poisoned in in russia no in ukraine in the ukraine yeah i mean his face turned in this horrible it was horrible horrible poison like the guy came very close to die. Well, I don't know about all that. I wasn't there. But what I'm saying is. It allegedly was Putin. Could you imagine if we found out that some, you know, not even Putin, some crazy person out there had it in for Obama and was actually going after him? Well, I'm sure there's a thousand. Has ever.

I mean, we've never had an American president assassinated by anyone in a foreign country. And the closest to it was blaming, or from a foreign country, blaming Lee Harvey Oswald, who had gone to the Soviet Union for killing Kennedy. But other guys who've killed presidents before, whether it is Abraham Lincoln, or how many presidents have been assassinated? Was it three? Why are you asking me? I don't know. You don't know?

You're not even from my country. I figure that you have to learn those things for real. The Queen of England once wore a dress that was... Either way, I don't think anyone has ever been... Any of the murders... Sure. ...are relatively small were blamed on a foreign enemy. Right.

It's so fascinating, man. The idea that there might be a new war cooking, and it might be with Russia. Well, I've been saying this for a number of years. Thank you very much. I go to Russia and I'm like, what the fuck's going on? Because I went there and I said, I don't understand.

I don't get the politics. What is Putin? Like, is he communist? Because the communists like him. Right. Is he sort of right wing? Is he left wing? No, no, no, no.

He's pro-Russia. And you're like, okay, I get he's pro-Russia. Everyone's pro-fucking whatever the country they're from. What the fuck is his politics? Because the communists support him. The fucking fascists support him. Everyone supports him. And he's like, no, he's pro-Russia.

He's anti-West. So pro-Russia equals anti-West. And when you go there, you realize these people, a whole generation or more now, because it's the new generation, were, it was the Cold War. It was like we, on our side, were like, oh, commies eat babies and you can buy a house for a pair of blue jeans, all that horse shit.

They grew up on all that, being American gangsters fucking, you know. Right. And so what happens is Putin comes along and just goes, yeah, America, fuck, it's not our economic crisis. It's America's economic crisis. They fucked us up. It's not us being fucking the oil bitches.

It's Saudi Arabia who run, is run by America. The Cold War rhetoric in Russia never stopped. That's one thing that we don't realize here. They are saying America is to blame for all of our shit. Did it never stop or did it take a break and then rekindle with Putin? It took a small break with Yeltsin. Because that guy was hanging out? Well, Putin's been in like 16 years now.

But do you remember when Yeltsin would come over and he would hang out? Was he? Oh. Was he the guy that had the thing in his head? No, that was Gorbachev. Gorbachev started it. Yeltsin took over, pushed it real fast. Everyone loved him because he was a democracy dude.

Right. But he started all the oligarchs. Putin was head of KGB. He came in and now has been basically running shit for a long time. But the interesting thing about Putin is now he's just like, fuck you. I don't know if you saw the Crimean address, but he's like, you guys put it up on us. NATO put it up on us. You guys put your missile defense systems along our borders.

Fuck you. Crimea is ours. You want to go to war? Let's go. It's like he's been sort of training in silent. Like I'm going to fucking punch the punch and get ready. And now he's ready to go. And this is this whole thing in the North. It's here. It's Crimea. He's like, I don't give a fuck what you say. I don't give a fuck about the West. I don't give a

fuck about America. I don't give a fuck about your sanctions. And this is why we're going back to this Cold War rhetoric. That's not even Cold War rhetoric. It's beyond Cold War rhetoric because he's like, fuck you. I don't give a shit what you say. Now, is this because he's looking out for Russia and Russia's in a bad economic situation and Russia needs all that oil? No. They have oil. They have oil. They have tons of oil. They have tons of oil. That's their whole thing. In fact, all of the energy in the Ukraine is supplied by Russia. The majority of natural gas going into Western Europe is from Russia. So what's going on here? What is the underlying motive for why this is escalating?

Well, Crimea has been their only freshwater port since Peter the Great. So it's the only place they can get to the rest of the world and someone else ran it and they didn't like that, the Ukraine. Ukraine, if you draw a line, the western part is pro-Europe, the eastern part is pro-Russia. So they said, well, fuck you, we're just going to take it back.

And what happened is they did the same thing in Georgia. All of the old Soviet republics, they're now taking back. And Crimea has been, they wanted it because it's strategically important to them for their naval base. But basically they just cut a big chunk of Europe, quote unquote Europe, out and said, it's ours now. And we went, yeah, okay. So we just don't want to start any bullshit? We can't. We can't.

Nothing we can do. Unless we're going to go to war. What are you going to do? It's like saying, New Jersey said they don't want to be part of fucking America, so Russia moved in and we're going to fucking. Right, right, right. You can't have them. Yeah, that would be interesting.

Yeah, Russia said we can't take New Jersey. Exactly. And then, by the way, what are you going to do, send in troops? It's not going to happen. What is it going to take for our culture to move past all these things that are holding us back, like this kind of gangster behavior that all countries do, not just the United States, not just Russia, pretty much any country that has a lot of power. They just decide like they need some resources.

They decide they need this. They need that. I mean, it's, it's always been what, you know, what we're saying is just a really complicated sort of propaganda. I agree with you. And I say, I say that the only way we have any real power is consumer advocacy. What does that mean? Whatever we buy, that's the power because that's economics.

Economics runs everything. And as long as Europe is buying Russian energy, then Russia is going to say, I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want. Russia is redrawing the borders of europe with europe's money right yeah because they sell the gas to to europe we're in the exact same position right we're sitting there saying okay well we're going to do this we're going to do that why because we use google because we use fucking facebook because we we buy Nikes, because we buy Ford, because whatever. What's going to happen is people realize

whatever I buy, that's the real power. Right, right, right. And when I say that, what I mean is if you look at pre-2008, number one sellers, Escalade, Hummer, you know, all the big SUVs. Post-2008, Prius, right? Because all of a sudden, gas fucking tripled in price. So the only thing that really moves policy is how people vote with the dollars.

Because if you fucking start voting with dollars, with Unilever, with Procter & Gamble, with Ford, with GM, with Exxon, then you're going to move policy. You can move policy decisions tomorrow. Tomorrow. Because these guys have lines to power and they say, fuck, these people aren't buying Fords anymore. They're not buying Exxon gas. They're not buying whatever. The idea that oil fluctuates so much has always been baffling to me. It doesn't fluctuate that much, but yeah. But it fluctuates. It fluctuates between profit and crazy profit.

Well, do you remember when you were talking about the gas hike? You remember that was right when Bush was leaving office, when George W. was leaving office. And right when he was leaving office, it became like this weird feeling. Like the gas was so expensive that it became like this weird feeling. People who weren't conspiracy theorists were going, wait a minute, are we getting fucked? Like is he leaving and in the process, does he have like some crazy three-month grace period where they just start

socking money out of people? Because it just started going up and up and up. And you're like, well, sorry, we have to pass on this loss to the consumer. Oil is more expensive these days. Wait a minute. Why is oil more expensive? What exactly is going on? Why is it coincidentally coinciding with you leaving office?

We couldn't dig into that then that would be very difficult to pull off today if the same situation was happening today it would be much harder to pull off 10 years from now more difficult 20 years from now impossible that's what i think i think that all this creepy shit that they've been able to do and fuck people over and clandestine operations like that, I think they can't, it's not, you can't hide it anymore. And that's why they're so mad at guys like Edward Snowden. Yeah. That's why they're so mad at guys like Julian Assange. It's like those guys, they broke the first holes in the dike and the water's coming through.

I don't mean that kind of dike, Brian. Yes. God damn it. I don't mean that kind of tank, Brian. Yes, because if you look at it, you say, if you look at after 9-11, the Saudi royal family who were living here in America were flown out. Why? Because whenever we have problems with oil prices, we just go to Saudi and say, make more. And then the prices come down. Just because they own the most reserves.

The easy stuff. The beautiful crude. When is that? What year is that? 2008. Wow. That's crazy. So what happens is if we have a problem with supply, we go to Saudi and say,

if we have a problem with supply, we go to Saudi and say, but what OPEC should have been, which was how can we drive prices up, Saudi Arabia actually deneutered because they said, okay, we're going to fucking drive prices down whenever the states say yes. That's what's interesting

because that's why Al-Qaeda exists. Because we are Saudi Arabia's friend and we use them to go up and down, bin Laden, who comes from one of the fucking richest families in Saudi Arabia, said, fuck you. I'm not going to, you know, we're the land of Mecca and Medina. We are the land of fucking Islamic purity. We're not going to kowtow to the Americans. That's where it

all comes from it all comes from saudi arabia because of oil and because we force them to to you know lower oil prices which makes us money which then they see is we're in cahoots and then boom that's why there's resentment against us when you find out about these you know small countries that were doing terrible up until oil production. And then they became like this most incredible magical land where everything is essentially free. I mean, the amount of wealth that people in those lands acquire. Saudi Arabia is crazy. And not in a long period of time.

A fairly short period of time is when you look at human history. All of a sudden, they have. Not human history. Yeah. Modern culture. Yes. Yeah, anything, really. Essentially, one of the.

Abu Dhabi. If you fly into Abu Dhabi, which has the two largest mosques in the world, you fly in and there's a picture from 1957 and it's a mud fort and like four huts. And then you drive into Abu Dhabi now, which looks like Las Vegas on steroids. Yeah. In fucking 50 years. Yeah.

They've built New York. Well, someone on my message board had that point. They were saying, you know, that I always go on and on about the pyramids. I'm fascinated about the pyramids. And some guy showed this aerial photo of Dubai. And he was like, fuck the pyramids, man. Look how crazy this shit is.

Went from nothing. Yeah. Yeah. 50 years. It went from zero. A mud hut to. Yeah. He's got a point.

You know, one day if we ever found Dubai. I mean, the more impressive aspect of the Egyptian pyramids is we don't understand how they were built. We don't get it. So we look at just the sheer size and the numbers of stones and we're like, fuck, how'd they do that? But the... What happened? What happened to the voice? Did it pop out?

What happened? Check, check. There it goes. But the difference between the amount of structures they had... How did you even know that happened? I felt the sound stop in my ear. How did you even know that happened? I felt the sound stop in my ear. It was just the cord.

Whoops. Great. No. No, I didn't get it. Don't worry. I almost got my laptop again. Oh, God. I'm a fucking fool for this.

Paper tabs right here, right to the right of you. Anyway, where were we? Um. Pyramids. Oh yeah. We're getting into it now. You flew over Manhattan. You know, if Manhattan was abandoned in the desert, it would be like 10 times more insane than finding the pyramids because the structures, there's so many of them. I've, what I find crazy about pyramids and actually bronze age weapons is that we can't

build weapons like that anymore. Like what weapons? There was a thing I was watching, so therefore it has to be true because it was on TV, about Bronze Age swords that were like so insanely strong. Because I always thought they were shitty like lead swords or copper swords or whatever. They had Bronze Age armor and Bronze Age swords. And they would shoot like a Bronze Age armor vest with like a modern day rifle. And it couldn't penetrate it.

Really? And I was like, how the fuck is that even possible? That sounds like nonsense. No, it isn't nonsense. And swords that are like still Bronze Age swords that can cut through like crazy. Actually, it sounds like nonsense now that I say it. Can you do me a favor? You're just laughing your head off.

Can you do me a favor and look up Bronze Age armor slash Bronze Age weaponry? That's just nonsense, son. Well, hold on. They can make better shit now. Until fucking I get verification I'm not. Well, they certainly spent a lot of time making weapons back then that, you know, that they, I mean, they didn't spend much time. I don't know how we've devolved into fighting over Bronze Age weaponry. Think about how much time.

It's definitely not my number one sphere of expertise. How much time do you think they must have spent building a samurai sword? All the time. Because what I was about to bring up with you is... I don't know what's going on. This is what you want right here. Bronze Age swords. Yeah, but what I want you to do is there's got to be an article about Bronze Age weaponry being more sophisticated than

modern day weapons. That's silly. How's that even possible? Not guns and shit. But metallurgy? Yeah, exactly. Hmm. Well, maybe with our modern day bronze,

because we figured out bronze kind of sucks. Well, correct. We moved on to some better shit. But there's a thing about like bronze age armor. What's the thing? That it's super strong. That it's dope? I don't know.

I don't want to get too far off on this because I'm not. I just, I read a thing about it. That's all. Well, I believe that they certainly had some knowledge. Hold on. I was involved. Bows and swords. And there's a lot of weapons that they constructed back then

that were pretty advanced. They figured out some shit. I had a thing that I was going to fucking bring up. I've had a few ales. This is the problem with the end of our goddamn... There's no problems.

Our podcast is... Now I'm fucking... What do you guys think about the pastor that recently died? The guy that attacked all the gays? Do you think that the gays and everyone should attack his funeral? Why? Or do you think they should take the higher ground?

Show that they're just like him? Yeah, or take the higher ground. What do you think about that? That's a ridiculous question. Of course he shouldn't attack his funeral. We should ignore that poor old fuck. It might shock their whole family and their whole cult to be like, oh shit, now I see what you're talking about.

That's fucked up. No. No, you'd be a hypocrite. And also, you're not going to shock their family. Their family was under the reign of a dictator, or like a religious dictator, an old cunt. He was an old crazy asshole who screamed at people and scared the fuck out of them and had them all

believing that his way was the only way. He's the God hates facts guy. He's the guy who holds up the signs. He's just a crazy old dude. You don't know House of Cards and I don't know this guy. Fred Phelps, Westboro Baptist Church is a pretty big story.

I'm going to put up my hand because I know we wrote a lot of stuff about it for Vice, but I don't know shit about it. Anyway, the bottom line is that the guy was an asshole and now he's dead. It's unfortunate that people get roped into that sort of hateful organization like that. You know, my whole thing is it takes all sorts. I don't know what you do over in your compound. Well, it's not just that because this guy would go out and he would attack people he would go out and they would you know protest funerals i get

what i'm saying is he was going out there being a bag i'm saying i don't i don't try to look at my neighbor's next door yard and oh like he was doing you're saying or anybody does yeah well you know what man it's just sad when people get people or some people are like easily led and instead of finding some you know nice religious leaders you put together a nice community and they all have picnics and shit if they found an asshole i mean that's really essentially what happened they got roped into some shitheads gravity and uh and now he's dead yeah they definitely shouldn't protest his funeral, man. No.

Just, you know, he's a lesson. You're just trying to start shit over. No, I'm not, man. It's a really legit question. Trust me, I believe in dynamic fasteners and all that, like, karma hype, like, positive stuff. Dynamic fasteners? I just think that...

What are you talking about? People who point the finger. People who point the finger. No, what is it? Dynamic fasten I just think that... What are you talking about? Do you know what dynamic fastener is? People who point the finger. No, what is it? Dynamic fastener is something that... He's like a huge sponsor for all these UFC fighters. Right, but what is it? It's just a part.

It's like screws and bolts, but this guy's just a big UFC fan, so he just pays for all these people. Right. But it's just like... You can't just say that. No one's going to know what the fuck you're talking about. I didn't know what you're talking about.

I mean, I've seen the ads, but I had no idea what your connection was. It's so ridiculous. I didn't know what you're talking about. I've seen the ads, but I had no idea what your connection was. It's so ridiculous. I don't know what it is. I never looked into what that was. It's really interesting because the guy is just a fan, and then you realize it's not that expensive to be a sponsor for one of these fighters. So this guy that

just owns this part guy, he's just a fan, so now everyone is coming out in shirts with this dynamic fastener on it, and it's just nothing. so now everyone is like coming out in shirts with like this is dynamic fastener on it and it's just like nothing it's nothing that you would go to

well it's his company yeah it's his company so he's just doing it there's another guy who does that too a technologies guy who does that I asked him once

I was like why why do you advertise I just like it like seeing the name of my company there was a show I think it was like The Real World

or something and it was like the biggest show on TV at the time and it would show at like three in the morning when most people would get home in new york and there was the guy the brooklyn clown the brooklyn clown you know he was a clown but it would be like the number one show on tv but people would come home at like three in the morning and he was a clown who would buy

like the advertising spots for like a grand. And so it was this huge show that millions of people would watch, but all the advertising would be about the Brooklyn clown. Huh. It's actually really cheap to get advertising late at night. That's what I was trying to get at. It's like Tito's Tacos. Seriously, you know how many tacos it costs? You were saying the fastener guy can get in there and get the thing.

This guy was super smart because he's like, oh, here's this time slot that everyone's getting home to watch the real world. It was some big show. Well, how weird is it when they give away their whole channel? Or when they have a fake show? There you go. That's the weirdest shit ever. You're like, Montel Williams, is this a real show, Montel?

How about Trudeau, right? What's going on here, Montel? 30 years he got, right, in jail? Trudeau? No, 10. He got 10 years. He got 10 only? How about Trudeau, right? What's going on here, Montel? 30 years he got, right? Trudeau? No, 10. He got 10 years. He got 10 only? Yeah.

Have you done him here? No. No, I wouldn't have him on. I would never have that guy on. Well, because I watched a lot of those infomercials. I met him. He's a nice guy. I met him because he put a bunch of money into something called the IPT. It was the International Pool Tour.

And he put on these gigantic events in Vegas. Like the most money people ever got paid from professional pool was Kevin Trudeau. Really? Yep. And he put together a television show. And he was going to have these guys play. And it was on television. And they were playing pool for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

They had done it full blast. Like he put the pedal to the metal spent millions of bucks that he robbed from little old ladies thought they were going to lose weight and me secrets they don't want you to know about and me but he spent all this money under the premise that there was laws that um that hadn't been instituted yet um They didn't know that they existed. They were going to write them about internet gambling. So when they made the business model, they factored in internet gambling. People would be able to gamble on these pool matches, and we'll profit from that. And then there'd be residual.

We'll have a bunch of gambling junkies associate our site with a good place to gamble. Because there was all these online gambling poker places. All those people that got arrested and had to move to Costa Rica. Well, this is all part of that, okay? So when they came in and shut down online gambling, he was fucked. So he lost shitloads of money. Oh, spilled it again. Had to give people their money back.

So he started the whole... Had to pay off these pool players in fractions on the dollar. I mean, I don't know what the fraction was. It was 75 cents on the dollar. If some of them got paid all their money, but he didn't pay all of them. Maybe they all got paid eventually, but it's a long struggle you're talking about, right? That's some interesting shit. So then know pool takes

this big fucking slide afterwards but everybody sort of hopes and prays that this guy gets his shit together and comes back to pool he's like the savior of pool this fucking crazy guy who rips off all ladies i actually want to do that story as a movie that's the most fascinating because he yeah he did this pool thing. It blew up in his face and then he said, I'm going to cure cancer with a cigarette ash. No, no. He always had the nonsense. The nonsense was always there. He always had nonsense. He

used the nonsense to make his money. Because I get home at like four in the morning. So I watch late night infomercials. And I'm weak at that hour. Right. I'm not the strongest. No, no. I'm not the that hour. Right. I'm not the strongest. No, no. I'm not the strongest mentally.

Oh, I see. I see. I don't know why that came up. We talked about you getting led down a dark road because of one of these infomercials. You come up, you're wasted. Right. And he's going, you know what?

It's fucking powdered asparagus. That's what's going to do it. I'm like, you know what I'm in? Coral calcium. Remember that one? I'm ready. I need some coral calcium. Well, that was the one.

Yeah. That was the one you got to take. I didn't know. It's coral calcium. Japanese people have thick, dark hair until they're dead. I would have put it in my eyeballs. Yeah. Coral calcium.

Because it's 4.30 in the morning. Yeah. You're ready to go. You're like, fuck, I want coral calcium. It seems like it's something that's missing in my life. Yeah, I need that shit. When it's really late at night, you're convinced. He got fucked, though.

Yeah, 10 years is a long-ass time. He had done some time already. He'd done a few months. He tried to tell the judge that he's changed his ways. We got to wolf a Wall Street, that shit. Well, you know, I have a good friend who worked for him for years. Fuck off. Yeah.

Let's make that. If you want to make it happen. We got to do it right now. I mean, I don't know. Everybody, we want to do the movie. Stop. I don't know if my friend signed any NDAs, so I have to be careful. Okay.

Trudeau doesn't get out of jail and throw heat at him. He might fucking escape. Even if he told the story truthfully, though, the story of the truthful story is actually quite fascinating. You know, the actual truthful story of him spending all that money on pool and all these maniacs. Because pool players are a fucking bunch of maniacs. Just crazy guys out there scrambling and hustling

and wearing fucking overalls and pretending they just hopped off a farm. I don't know how to play. Yeah, I mean, that's what half of those guys grew up doing. That's where they get their experience. And so all of a sudden they're wearing tuxedos and they're playing on TV.

And it was one of those weird TV channels too. It was like, it was on one of those burgeoning. We have to make a movie of this fucker. It's interesting stuff, man. There were good events too. He really did get the best players in the world. It's also like a global news event that this fucker got like.

10 years. Yeah. So anyway, we shouldn't talk about it anymore, but we should make this fucking movie. Yeah. Listen, man, you should make the movie, and I'll tell you the story. I'll connect you to people. I'm not making any movies, man.

I ain't got no time for that. Ain't nobody got time for that. Ain't got no time for that. That story is kind of unique, though. It's unique also that Pool is a tragic fucking game. It's a tragically haunted game, and i'm not exactly sure why it seems like somewhere along the line pool fuck somebody over and well it's a first first of all it didn't fuck anyone over it's a barroom game that you bet your pitcher money on and all of a sudden it was like

legitimate because of a awful but amazing Tom Cruise movie. And then you're like, why isn't it snooker? Well, it was way bigger before the Tom Cruise movie. In the 1900s, the turn of the century, there was a thousand. Snooker was snooker. No, no, pool. There was a thousand pool halls in New York City at the turn of the century. Pool was huge. And no, the term pool doesn't mean pocket billiards. City at the turn of the century. Pool was huge.

And no, the term pool doesn't mean pocket billiards. Pocket billiards is the game. Right. The term pool is gathering up all your money and betting it, pooling your money together and betting it on games. So pool was, the name pool, in fact, was

inherently connected to this derelict bachelor lifestyle. I'm screwed now. Why? Because I got you on the subject of pool. The only thing that you know, like, he knows more about MMA than anything except for pool.

Well, there's a lot of people who know a lot more about pool than I do, but I know enough. I know enough. In 1962 is when it became really famous, though. It was the Hustler. Jackie motherfucking Gleason. Who could play his ass off. Jackie could play really good, for real. Paul Newman was making it became really famous, though. It was the hustler. The hustler. Jackie motherfucking Gleason. That's a fantastic. Who could play his ass off. Jackie could play really good, for real. Paul Newman was making it.

He played Minnesota Fats. And then Paul Newman lost to him, but then beat him. I was thinking about that. I can't be beat tonight. Just that line. Because I was on a roll. I was fucking giving people shit, whatever. I was like, I can't be beat tonight.

And I was like, where's that from? This is my table, man. I own it. Yeah, I can't be beat tonight. That's Paul Newman, the hustler. So good. Paul Newman couldn't play a lick. But they broke his fingers.

But you could tell he couldn't really play. It was offensive. To a real pool player, you watch his goofy stroke and shots that he'd make. You're like, get out of here with that fucking combination bank shot. That's nonsense. Nobody really shoots that shot.

So you're going to say that. That's true. What about Tom Cruise? He could play. Really? Yeah, Tom Cruise. Fuck off. He apprenticed with Mike Siegel.

Mike Siegel, who's a multiple-time world champion and also was a lefty like Tom Cruise. Mike Siegel, who's a friend of mine, is a brilliant pool player. Literally one of the greatest of all time. And he mentored Tom Cruise and taught him how to play. You just destroyed my brain. Tom Cruise is a maniac. Vince. He fucking took that dude and he taught him how to play and he looks like a pool player.

Wow. He doesn't look like a great pool player. No. There's a fluidity of motion. I have an open bridge. Someone who's truly good at something. I have an open bridge. So I'm going to tell you a true story.

When I was a young kid, there's a lot of pool playing in, in, uh, Montreal, like for money. And I had a girlfriend who was a girl and she would win. A girl and a friend. Yeah. And, but she was a fantastic pool player. Oh.

So she would win. But she was like, if you ever see anyone who has an open bridge, you've won. That was the whole thing. Like, and so Paul Newman has an open bridge, you've won. That was the whole thing. And so Paul Newman has an open bridge. Well, that's not really correct. There's a lot of really great players. Rob Sia is one of the best in the world.

Plays almost exclusively with an open bridge. Very rarely closes his bridge. He just prefers to sight the cue that way. And once you get really good, it doesn't matter. There's certain shots where some guys prefer a closed bridge, but there's some great snooker players that never close their bridge. All the guys that came over from snooker, snooker's all done with an open bridge. Sure.

And they have the best fundamentals out of almost any pool player. It's so far in the fucking pockets. Tiny pockets, tiny balls. It's a very precise game. So the mechanics have to be absolutely perfect. So snooker players have very particular stance. Are you a better fighter or pool player? At this point in my life, I pool player? At this point in my life

I suck at both at this point in my life. Whatever. You suck at both. No, I suck at both. You're like five times Taekwondo champion. State championship I won four years in a row. That's fucking big. But that was 1988.

1989, 1990, 1991. Or whatever it was. 85 to 88 1990. It still exists in the world history. Yeah, whatever it was, 85 to 88. So you're one of the best... Lovers? In Taekwondo, guys. I know how to joke about it. Are you better at pool or Taekwondo?

Come on. I was definitely better at Taekwondo. Okay. Yeah, I was way better. At pool, I got marginal at best. At pool, I'm a decent, what do you call it, beat player. Would you play for money? Yeah, I'd play for money.

It's fun. It's fun. But I'm not good enough to beat anybody that's actually good. Pool is something that you have to literally play eight hours a day. Can you win right off the rack? What do you mean? Can I run out? Yeah, I can run out.

I'm just not that consistent. I can break and run out, but I might not do it the next game. I might miss it. You really need to like put in the numbers, the hours, because what you're doing when you're playing, when you get really good, is you are so in tune with the amount of effort that it takes to knock your stick into this ball that you're literally counting the revolutions with feel that the ball's going to make. It's like archery in a lot of ways. And in that when you're actually executing, it requires absolute complete concentration. And there's something that's very attractive to me about anything that requires absolute

complete concentration, whether it's martial arts, whether it's pool, whether it's archery. I think there's something deeper that's going on. I think my brain is recognizing that it needs some intense stimulation. That's what I like about the hustler in Color of Money is when they're going, there's a rhythm. They're just popping. They're just doing it. And when they're not, they're like, oh, I'm hitting shots.

Right. But when he's going, he's like, I can't be beat, motherfucker. Well, did you ever see, there's a scene in The Hustler where he plays this guy, or in The Color of Money, where he plays this guy, Grady Stevens. Yeah. Remember that? There's a shootout.

It's only worse. Well, that guy, it only gets worse, doesn't it? That guy is one of the best pool players ever. Yeah, yeah. Especially money players. That's Keith McCready. Right. He's a real, legit, big money players. That's Keith McCready. He's a real legit big money player.

And he was a real unique player because he started playing so young that he couldn't reach over the table. So he started playing with his arm cocked out to the side and he stuck with that forever. And he was just a world beater, this guy. And that's what he used to do. He used to walk into pool halls with a shirt that said, the world gets eight you know what that means that means he spots you in a game a nine ball he spots you the eight ball that means you win the if you get the eight ball in or the nine ball he wins only with a nine ball so he's given professional players yeah an advantage he's like that's how confident he is right and it was a real guy it's like when he's playing this grady stevens like to the people that know the game like it's very it's very, it's very appropriate.

It's perfect. You know, that was, that movie really represented a lot of the, the craziness that, that, you know, gambling and pool and being on the road is.

None of them ever get it right. You know what? I hate all like remakes and especially of classics. And, and The Hustler is such a great fucking film. It was an excellent follow on of a guy who was just like sitting there in his own shit, just going,

I'm going to come back now. It's awesome. Yeah. Well, Walter Tevis is a, uh, the guy who wrote both of them and he wrote the Hustler and he also wrote the Color of Money,

but the Color of Money, the book is a very different book. It's very different ending, very different. It follows Fast Eddie. He goes around by himself. There's no Vince. There's no Tom Cruise character in the book. They made the Tom Cruise character because they wanted to jazz it up.

I mean, it was a good move for pool. For pool, it was a huge, huge movie. But since then, video games came along, kicked pool in the dick. Was that book hard to follow? I can imagine a pool book being like that. Well, that's just you, though, because, kicked pool in the dick. Was that book hard to follow? I can imagine a pool book being like that. Well, that's just you, though, because you're not into pool. Did they explain the ball rolled down? No, it's not really about pool.

See, that was the thing about The Hustler, too. Did you ever see that movie, The Hustler? A long, long time ago. It's really not about pool. What it's about is a guy trying to prove that he's worth something in life and fucking up and making colossal mistakes along the way. It's about two romantic losers who are connected together. And she's a loser.

Who actually takes care of him. She's got a limp. I mean, there's a lot of dark shit to this movie. She was a drunk. He was a drunk. He's a drunk. And Jackie Gleason is a drunk. I mean, these gamblers and fucking murderers

and all these people that they were interacting with it was so much of it was just a character study and that was the fascinating thing about that movie the pool playing like i said was dog shit paul newman looked like he couldn't make a ball jackie gleason could play he could he could play better than all of them better than tom cruise better than paul newman paul newman who was just a brilliant actor just didn't put the time in. You would have to put a lot of time in to look like a real pool player, you know, because there's,

there's like a gentleness to the stroke of a real pool player. Jackie Gleason in that is classic. Oh, Jackie Gleason really was an amazing cat. Yeah. You know, and an unabashed drinker too. Yes. Like would, they would ask him like why he drinks.

He goes, I drink to get fucked up. You know what's weird about Jackie Gleason? What is that? I was somewhere recently, I was in Guyana. I was in Guyana doing this garbage thing

that we're doing and I watched this old French film. It's a huge French film, like successful, like massive, like cultural French film. The star of the film,

Jackie Gleason. Wow. He doesn't say a word. He plays a mute janitor who picks up a sort of French prostitute and takes care of her and her young kid. And it's this French classic film with Jackie Gleason as the star who never says a fucking word.

By the way, it's like Burt Lancaster did the same thing with The Leopard in Italy, where it was a huge successful film where he spoke in Italian. He did it phonetically. Right. They would just say it into his ear, and he'd say the same thing. Wow. But Jackie Gleason was just- So he had an earpiece while he was acting?

No, no, no. They would just say like, uh, cento famiglia, ventune. And he would, and then they'd just roll it, cento famiglia, ventune. They would just say it in his ear. Right. And he'd just do it phonetically.

Oh, okay, okay. There's no earpiece. So he just repeated it. Yeah. And then, uh, but Jackie Gleason has this like huge French, like, you know, film. Like, it's like French fucking, like, cultural, where he's the star of it as this janitor in a building. And he never says a word.

When I lived in New York, I had a friend who, one of his friends knew the guy. It was a fucking cockeyed connection. who one of his friends knew the guy's fucking cockeyed connection but it was uh there was they were all in music business like rock and roll guys like one of them was in this band and he knew a dude who somehow or another knew someone who bought jackie gleason's old home and jackie gleason this is the story jackie gleason is obviously third hand could be total horseshit that's it the story was and it's a fun story that Jackie Gleason was drinking with Nixon

and him and Nixon were buddies and you know they're talking football and throwing back some fucking Jack and Cokes and Nixon's like you want to see a fucking UFO? so they get in the Air Force One and they fly to some military base

where they've got a crashed flying saucer. And Jackie Gleason from then on becomes a crazy UFO believer. And Jackie Gleason has this backyard in upstate New York and he has a fake UFO designed and built in his driveway

to replicate the thing that he saw. He hires a bunch of people to try to recreate something. He puts it together in his head, sort of like a crime sketch, like he would try to reenact it. I want to live there. That's the fun story. How do we buy that house? Do you believe it?

I want to live there. I would like to find my, I did fuck up my computer. It's not working. Luckily, I got backup. Joe, you're Spilly McSpillerson. Yeah, you're drunk. Why don't you get that? You're Slurry McSlurrison. Why don't you get that chemical that you could just put on your computer? That's probably a good idea.

All right, buddy. But I don't know if Jackie Gleason really did. Why don't you Google it? Find out. Did Jackie Gleason really... Was he really into UFOs? Was Jackie Gleason into UFOs? Well, Joe Rogan once said...

I spread my own fucking Wikipedia information. I like that story a lot. I spread my own fucking Wikipedia information. I like that story a lot. I'll make up a story, not even realize I made it up, put it out there, and then I'll find it on Wikipedia and I'll use it as a reference to prove when I tell the story again. Trip to the alien morgue. Ooh, you got it. Wow, so this is a real rumor. To the moon, Alice.

There was a time when you could say that phrase. Scroll that down. Stop. Go back. Collaborate that phrase. Scroll that down. Stop. Go back. Collaborate. Listen. Stop right there. You're fucking drunk as shit, dude.

There was another size, jacking, extremely serious, armchair UFO researcher and prided himself on a huge collection of UFO-related books, which numbered into the thousands. See, I call bullshit. You know why? I doubt there's thousands of books written on ufos put that back up what more could you say like oh uh you know and then he saw light too as soon as the new title came out even in europe or the uk jackie had a copy hmm well i don't know if it's true um but that was the story that this guy told me about i like the story it's a dope story i like this and if it's true, but that was the story that this guy told me about the guy's house.

I like the story. It's a dope story. I like the story. If that's true, if Jackie Leeson really was some sort of a crazy UFO fanatic, and that's the root of it. I like it even more. Imagine if it's fucking true. Oh, it's all true. What a beautiful thing it would be if they really did have like a hangar 18.

You know what I want? When we're old and we're sitting on the cove, drinking our drink, looking at the water, just me and you, gray, old silver bags, and someone's going to go, you know what? Fucking Jackie Gleason went to Area 51 and saw that shit. I wonder. What's going to happen? Yeah, I wonder. I wonder. It will happen.

I wonder if they really do have something. I mean, that would be, I would wish one person who was legitimately intelligent, who was dying, would spill the beans. I wish. Every dude that spills the beans, you're like, man, I don't know. You fucking weirdo. I'm not diving with this. My one thing is, how impossible would it be to keep a secret today? It would be too impossible. You know one person would say something.

I don't agree with that because, look, they kept a secret when they were making the Manhattan Project. But that was a different era. One thing I will say is maybe those movies and TV shows and leaks and everyone, because we're all like, oh, yeah, Area 51, of course. It's the aliens. Like, maybe that's, you know, maybe that's part of it. Well, look, we know that secrets can be kept. I can't believe it.

Secrets totally can be kept, because we didn't find out about the Gulf of Tonkin until, like, way, way late. Like, there were some people involved in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. When did it become mainstream news? 30 years? 40 years?

Secrets can be kept. Yeah. But nowadays, it's pretty different. If secrets could be kept, though, wouldn't the most important secret be we found aliens? That would be one of the biggest secrets you would ever want to keep. The last thing you want is these motherfuckers just freaking out because there's aliens.

I like the movies though where it's just a given. Like, yeah, well we just got the spaceships from Area 51. Yeah. Done. How many movies are that though? A lot. Most movies, when they try to depict what it would be like if we were attacked, It's fucking terrible. I like the fact that we started off

with saving democracy. Well, you got drunk along the way, and so it shifted to Alien. That's standard. Bigfoot's next, bitch. When are you going looking for him? Come on, you and Dean Cain. Fucking get up. He's got that show on Spike. I'll do it.

Has a girl ever squirted on you before? Are you reading my brain? Are you part of the NSA? Is this what's happening? Brian's drunk. The NSA has given you all my information. It happened recently. All right.

I love you guys. Wow. Brian. I love you guys. Wow. Brian. I love you, champs. Brian, next time, one less drink. Seriously. Just one less. Keep it together.

All right. My diamonds. What is next for... Can you remember right now? If we shake your memory. What's next for your show? Like, what do you got going on that we should know about? Tomorrow night is Greenland.

The world is sinking and modern day slavery. David Cho, who comes on this show, is doing a thing on scrapping, which our metal is going to build China. This is what we talked about last time you were here, I believe. Yeah, he's up on air. I believe you talked about it last time. He's up on air next week. They're taking metal from old factories in Detroit and using them to build new factories in China.

I mean, but one place where it's really an issue is Detroit. Yeah, it's gangs, like street gangs. How we heard about it was like Crips and Bloods and shit. We're not going to sell crack anymore because there's not enough money. We're going to go steal like copper from old Packard plants in Detroit. But like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, all the Rust Belt. And it was a pretty good story until we figured out who was buying it, which is China. It's our largest export, $11 billion a year.

The largest export is scrap? From America to China, yes. What's number two? I have no idea. Oranges. Orange. I don't know. Probably orange.

But number one by a long way is scrap. Orange is probably number one. It's one of those dark things they like to talk about. And so Joe finds it out and then hangs out with these Chinese buyers. And it's pretty fucking insane. It's really good. We talked about genetic passports. Anyway, I don't know.

We have a lot of shit coming up. How many episodes do you guys do there a year? 12. Wow. We're probably going to do 24 actually now. a lot of shit coming up. How many episodes do you guys do there a year? 12. Wow. We're probably going to do 24 actually now. Now, does HBO give you any directorial notes? Nothing, zero. That's how they do it, right?

Yeah. They give you money and you go make it. I've been trying to get you to come do a segment with me for a long time. Yeah, but you always want to take me to somewhere that's dangerous and terrible. We got to go find that. Let's go to Malibu and look for bad plastic surgery.

Okay. You find a story. I want to go do a story with you. Okay, what do you want to do? Force him. He can't do shit. I was actually just looking at him, but thinking of

the world, of the nation. What kind of a show would you want to do? looking at him, but thinking of the world, of the nation. Like, what kind of a show would you want to do? I don't know if that means we're done on time. No, that's just Brian. He's drunk. What kind of... I thought you would enjoy the fucking North Pole stories. You're out of your mind.

Yeah, you got me wrong. You don't want to go get the six-foot chimp, which, by the way, you brought up. The six-foot what? Chimp. Chimp. Yeah, I'm scared of that chimp. Because the chimp's in the middle of the Congo. We have a friend that's Justin Brand. So where do you want to go? I want to go to the Congo.

Cuba. We'll go interview the Castro. You go to Cuba and then they fucking, they check your underwear drawer for the rest of your life every time you check into a hotel. Correct. You got real problems if you go to Cuba, man. They look deep up your asshole. Yes. You can't.

The last thing you do is go to Cuba and talk about how you're going to Cuba. They'll be like, where will you come with me? I'll go to Miami with you. That's about as close as I get to fucking Cuba. Yeah, I'm not a good guy for your show, dude. I'm telling you. I'm a good guy for you to come on and talk about your

show. I can help you there. Someday I'm going to convince you to come with me. I'm trying to do less and less things. That's my goal. My goal is to do less shit as I get older and just more shit where I can just do whatever I want. What I get more than anything from this show is one time when I got wasted as opposed to now, I was like, you know what? We're just trying to get to the fucking cove.

I must get five tweets a day of like, I'm trying to get to my cove.'re just trying to get to the fucking cove i must get five tweets a day of like i'm trying to get to my cove i'm trying to get to my cove just trying and by the way i just came back from a a long trip doing a a shoot and i spent three days on a boat in the middle of a cove and i'm like i'm trying to get to my cove i'm trying to get to my cove i just kept repeating that because i'm just trying to get down there get to my cove. I just kept repeating that because I'm just trying to get down there, get to the cove, and fucking chill the fuck out. Well, I think everybody ultimately has this ideal image in their head of some golden

retirement or some point in time where everything's going to be still. I don't think anything's ever still. I agree. I think you've got to find- But you've got to try to get there. You've got to find a balance in the ride itself.

That's what you've got to find. You can't wait for the rest stops. Because rest stops are bullshit. It's not happening. But you have more energy and power in your spine. I'm an old man. I'm like, you know what? I'm trying to get to the cove.

I know you are. And I'm not saying that I'm not anti-relaxation. What I'm saying is that i think if you really did do nothing if you always sat somewhere and did nothing you would only like it for a few days you're right you're a guy who likes to investigate things to stimulate your mind and you like to be a part of something that's bigger than you there's a reason why the universe chose you for this role i mean that that sounds like total hippie bullshit. No, no, no.

But I do want to get to the cove. I'm sure you do. Because when you get down there, it's fucking... Well, it's because you probably are a little bit imbalanced. You work so much. It's probably the cove becomes like this ultimate magnet. You're right. Because you're fucking redlining shit all day long.

They're trying to sleep with the knowledge of Liberia's General Buck Naked running around when he'd killed how many fucking kids and eaten their hearts. You know, you're fucking hitting the gas all day long, man. You need to go down to Peru, get some ayahuasca, cleanse your soul, reboot your system. You've probably seen way too much shit, man. I'm in. That's why you're down with this Cove idea. You want this Cove so bad. I'm going to build the Cove and you're going to come.

Do you ever consider that, that everybody has this sort of crazy role in this weird machine that is life, this weird complex algorithm that's the human race? Yes. And do you ever wonder why you're in the position that you're in? No, but I think that everybody, you're right, I think that everybody has a sort of role to play in the grand algorithm of life. My position, not really because, I don't know about you,

but I'm not any different than I was five years ago when no one listened to me. And, you know, money is the modern day report card and and i have uh now a lot of money but i i'm actually giving all that away i'm putting it in trust and you know because of the you're like well i didn't i didn't actually do it for money i don't actually give a shit about money and i didn't actually do it for fame because i don't know about you but like when people come up to you in the streets and say hey dude fucking awesome you're like I don't you know I don't know you I don't know anybody I don't know whatever but what I will say is you sit there at some point and go this shit I spent 40 years turning the other way and saying I don't give a fuck or I'm going to just get drunk or I'm going to drink a beer or I'm going to go fuck, or I'm going to just get drunk, or I'm going to drink a beer, or I'm going to go get laid, or I'm going to, you know, just fucking do what I do. Because getting through the day is hard. And at a certain point, you get a little bit older.

You have kids. For me, it was kids. And you go, yeah, I can't do that anymore. I got to sit there and say, this is bullshit. You know what they're fucking doing over there in Iraq? It's bullshit. What they're say, this is bullshit. You know what they're fucking doing over there in Iraq? It's bullshit. What they're doing in Afghanistan is bullshit. What they're doing here fucking in the Gulf of Mexico with Corexit is bullshit.

And so now I'm like, you know what? I waited for somebody else to fucking say this shit, and nobody's saying it. And I'm not the best person, and I'll tell you right now, I'm not the best person to be saying this shit, but we have to start saying shit, otherwise we're fucked. But you are the best person. I'm not the best person, and I'll tell you right now, I'm not the best person to be saying this shit, but we have to start saying shit, otherwise we're fucked. But you are the best person. I'm not. But you're not, because you're, look, no one's the best person, but you are about as good an example as you're going to get, because you bridge the gap.

You're a regular human who lived a regular life, who got to a point in your life where something mattered to you much more than it mattered before when you had children and then you took a stand a lot of people would go the other way a lot of people when they there's the coward point of view is you get to a point where you have children and then you just want to shut up you just want to be quiet you want to don't don't make a lot of noise but you know how it is you have kids yeah all of a sudden you're like look you could have had the best life ever just keep doing what you're doing i could do the same when you have kids you're like what the fuck dude that's when the environment becomes important because you're like okay i'm gonna die it's gonna be okay yeah there's a certain selfishness they're like uh that uh a single person will... For sure.

It's not even selfishness, really. It's just thinking about yourself is a natural thing. The idea that we made being selfish... It doesn't mean you don't think about other people as well. So you should be self-aware. But having kids is selfish because I'm selfish

because I want my kids to fucking be able to swim in a lake or go outside. But is that selfish? That's selfish. I mean, and is the ultimate goal... Oh, because of my kids to fucking be able to swim in the lake or go outside but is that selfish i mean and is the ultimate goal but isn't the ultimate goal to like see how much you love your kids and say man if the whole world could love each other the way i love my kids we would have no fucking problems any problem we would have we would work out but isn't the reality that people don't even do anything when they have no strife, when they have no thing they're battling against. They don't really fucking strengthen their resolve.

They don't really get their shit together. It seems like we almost need resistance in order to get anything done. We almost need someone to oppose us in order to strengthen ourselves to a position where we move forward. I agree, and I also think that if left to our own devices, you're like, it goes back to that zero sum game. Like we were talking earlier about saying, what we've gotten to is this realpolitik zero sum game. There isn't a zero sum game when you have kids. There isn't just, there's a winner and loser and I kill you and then you are dead.

You know, when you have kids, everything becomes like, well, I won, but guess what? They don't have any water to drink. So I don't know. I shifted. My whole brain shifted when I had kids because I was a different guy. And then all of a sudden I had kids and I was like, actually, motherfucker, I already knew that that was bullshit what you were doing i knew fucking you know seventy eight thousand dollar hammers were bullshit but i used to go ha ha ha seventy eight dollar fucking hammer and now i'm like no fuck

you seventy eight thousand dollar hammers that's bullshit i don't want to fucking pay my taxes for that shit and i just got angry because all the bad shit, all the stuff that you roll your eyes, all the shit you say, you know, this is fucking bullshit, this is stupid, we shouldn't be doing this. I got serious

because then you're like, okay, it's fine. Guess what? Climate change is undeniable. The fucking oceans are rising. You want to have a debate? You want to have a fucking war? You want to have a fucking... The fact that have a fucking war? You want to have a fucking...

The fact that it's even a debate is a fucking joke. And guess what? We don't have the time anymore because our kids are fucked. So guess what? I can't fuck around anymore, snorkel all night,

fucking wear my fancy jeans and get wasted. I got to go out there and fight these motherfuckers because otherwise my kids don't have a fucking future. And by the way, not my kids, everyone's kids. Did you see that NASA report

when they looked at climate change and a bunch of different factors and they were talking about the future of the human race and they made this extrapolation? And I'm like, we're doomed. If you talk to most scientists and like by the way real scientists not these dudes in the play of exxon it's it's like a given this is why i get pissed off is because i'm like you know who's who's done a bad job is the scientific community

at at messaging the fact that okay if there's a fucking loophole, if there's like, well, it's this or this within 6%, and then everybody else goes, well, 6% is this and this. You're like, hold on a second. We are 60 years ahead of our worst-case projection. The worst-case projection of the IPCC 10 years ago. We're already 60 years ahead. 60 years ahead. 60 years ahead.

And I was talking to the global scientific community and I'm like, what the fuck? Why doesn't anyone know about this but you guys? They're like, well, it's a given. It's not a given with anyone I know. Most people have no idea. Most people have no idea. They just go to work and they hear bad things about the economy,

but then they hear 150,000 new jobs were created last quarter. But you know as well as I do what's happening in California. This is what it says. NASA back study says human civilization is headed for irreversible collapse. Yes. According to the new NASA, I don't know what that means by NASA back study. It sounds very fancy, but I'm not exactly sure. But you understand NASA is like conservative.

Like there's scientists out there that are crazy for sure. Right. Like whenever I talk to scientists, I try to get the most conservative motherfuckers because, you know, they're going to come after you. Right. after you right but the thing is is what's happening now is we are en route for a global cataclysmic environmental catastrophe and everyone agrees to that right everyone right but we're like why aren't we trying to stop it do you think there's any way that something can be done along the way that we never saw coming that could fix the whole thing. Yes. Yes. What do you think that could possibly be?

So, this is probably bullshit, but I was at the Google Zeitgeist Conference. There was this kid. Did I tell you this story before? He's 13 years old. He builds a reactor in his... Did I tell you this guy? I believe so, but it's a great story.

Keep going. Okay. So, he blew me away. He built a reactor when he was 13, 17. He came up with a way to find radioactive waste. Anyway, so he came up with this theory, which is true, that 90% of uranium isotopes, you know, 235, et cetera, which we can't dispose of,

the majority of their energy is still left in there over 90 so he's like okay we we've come up with these reactors where we can take the old energy rods that we can't even dispose of uh uh deplete them and then that will fuel the earth's energy needs for the next 10 000 years because all of those energy rods from the Soviet Union, from us, uranium, 235, we can all do it. Now, maybe not true. He's 23 years old.

Right. I don't know. But if that's even like a.0001% true, that he can take all the shit that we can't even dispose of and power the world with it? Fuck yeah. That's technology. Right. Now, I don't know if that's true, but I'm hoping for some sort of technological solution.

Well, I'm hoping along the way he doesn't create something even more fucked up while he's trying to burn that uranium. Well, which might happen. Fucking holes in the universe. Which might happen. I don't know. But what I'm hoping is for some tech solution that comes along to say, because you know what the other alternative is? We're fucked.

We're fucked. Yeah, I think the tech people are our brightest hope. They seem to be self-policing. I mean, look at the big companies like Google. They actually spend a lot of money on their employees. They kind of had global ethics, you know. I mean, when you think of Google. Yeah, you don't think of an evil company at all.

At least they try. Yeah. You know, you hear that there's some issues with certain censorship in certain countries and things along those lines. But when you connect Google, you connect them to the idea of a giant corporation that's committed to innovation. They're not bad. They don't seem bad.

They're not Exxon. But, you know, that seems to be like something that you find more of in the tech community. And I think it's because you're dealing with some really hyper-intelligent human beings. And along with that hyper-intelligence and that connection to each other that they have because of the internet, I think you see people that have a better moral compass. Well, they're also trying to solve global problems by using technology. Yeah. Now, I'm not good at technology, but... You're awesome at it, dude.

You have vice.com. How dare you? If I had the ability to figure out the world's energy problems by depleting old uranium rods? Yeah. Fuck yeah. It seems like a good move. Seems like a good move. Dude, we're running out of shit.

I love you. We never run out of shit to talk about. We just run out of time. I love you. I love you too, buddy. I'm drunk. It's fun. You're hammered.

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