The Joe Rogan Experience - #478 - Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: March 31, 2014

Eddie Bravo is a jiujitsu black belt, music producer, and author. He also hosts his own podcast called Eddie Bravo Radio. http://10thplanetjj.com http://joerogan.net

This Thursday night, I am in Miami, bitch. I'm going to be at the Fillmore, the Jackie Gleason Theater at the Fillmore, and I'm with the great Tony Hinchcliffe. So I'm looking forward to that Thursday, Miami people. It should be a... It's part of the South Beach Comedy Festival. It should be really fun.

And thanks to everybody that came out this weekend as well to um uh to the comedy magic club and i'm gonna definitely start doing more of those i'll be doing those on a regular basis now now that jay leno's not doing the tonight show anymore that used to be his spot the sunday spot so they're giving him to a bunch of different comics so i love that place and i'll be there on a regular basis as well as the ice house boom Boom, shalak, lak, boom. And without that, no further ado, boom, hit the music, Young Jamie. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

All right, we're going to even begin with this one. You think it would be cool to watch the fight, and instead of talking about different pieces of it, because there's so many different aspects to it, you think it'd be cool for the viewer to watch it, and I just tell you what I'm saying to him? Sure, but are we allowed to do that? Like, Metamorris, are they paying people to watch replays?

It's on YouTube. We probably should ask, though, before we do something like that. He would love it, dude. Are you kidding me? Well, let's ask him on the air. Are you kidding me? Let's ask him on the air.

I hope I can actually call him. I think it'd be cool. The signal in this place is kind of sketch. Just to give people background, what are we talking about here? Okay, Eddie Bravo, one of my favorite human beings to ever walk the earth My brother

Who I've known We became best friends like almost instantly We started hanging out together in the late 90s Was it like late 90s? Like 2000 somewhere? Close to 2000 I knew you from John Jocks in like 97 You were the guy who was on An an actor who was on a TV show.

You were doing news radio. But I'd never seen news radio. But, oh, that's that one actor dude. And you were taking privates. And you didn't do that many group classes at first. You thought you were doing the dope shit. The group classes are for the peasants. The privates are, that's where you get the real shit.

That's what you were thinking. Well, I thought I was going to learn quicker. I don't want to talk bad about that dude, you know, who's a real good guy that was teaching me. I really like him. But it wasn't, it doesn't, you have to roll with a bunch of other people. It's just a fact.

You know, whenever I hear someone tell me, I'm going to take private lessons, I'm going to do some jujitsu, take private lessons, like, well, you could definitely learn more than the average person. But if you want to really learn jujitsu, you've got to get dirty. You've got to get in there.

I didn't figure that out. I didn't figure that out until I started rolling with you, until I started hanging out with you. Let's call Halleck right now. The guy was a good guy. He just... We've got a story for you, ladies and gentlemen. There's a backstory to this podcast. I think he's mad at me, man.

I haven't heard from him. I doubt it. Yeah, he's mad at me. Don't say that. He put it out there. He jinxed him. I don't know. I was like...

Hello. Halleck, it's Joe Rogan. Hey, before you say anything, we're on the air right now. We're live. I just, I wanted to, I wanted to know what your feelings were out of respect when it comes to YouTube, the videos being up on YouTube. Are you trying to pull those down? Because we were going to, we were going to play one and talk about it, but only with

your permission, because I, I didn't know if you uh if you were pulling those down off the internet yeah man if you and you know what if you do it if you really could go to um go to metamors.com and go to the live stream and I'll give you my login okay you can use it and you can you can scroll through the whole fight on there if you want to do that now. All right. Remember, we're on live, so don't give out any information right now. Don't get crazy.

Okay. So we can play it, though, on the podcast, and we can talk about it over it? Yes, we can. Beautiful. And, man, if you want to use the one on YouTube, just say, hey, you know, Alex basically gave us his one-time permission, but ultimately we want to avoid this, and we're doing what we can to work with you two, but of course that's a long process. Yeah, well, that's a great attitude, too.

I mean, let them know, like, this is a really awesome event you put on, and people should support an event like that just with their own ethics, regardless of whether it's available for free. That's my feeling, is Metamorris is an awesome thing for jiu-jitsu, and we should all support it That's a beautiful attitude I agree a thousand percent that's not even a real number right you can only get to 100 Hey, listen, man. I just want to tell you, whatever you need, man, if you want to have me promote the next ones, I'm totally down.

That was an awesome event. You had some really high-class matchups with really great jiu-jitsu talent. It was a pleasure to watch, man. I really, really enjoyed it. So I'm going to support you in any way with this, because I just think it's an awesome thing you're doing. I appreciate it, man, and I know you don't uh i know i know you don't normally uh take inquiries

but i would love to be on the podcast let's do it let's do it brother let's do it let's do it all right i'm live i'm gonna go uh so we'll talk to you soon all right take care my friend hey manny dude i don't know i haven't heard from him, so I thought... He's probably busy, you know. His uncle's probably upset at you. Well, I know. Hoist is mad at me sometimes. Let's explain what happened.

I'm thinking maybe Alex is mad at me, too. This is what's going on. For people who don't know, Eddie Bravo is famous for one very particular upset a long time ago when, in 2003, we went down to Brazil and Eddie was competing in the Abu Dhabi World Submission Championships, which is the biggest event in no-gi grappling. It's a huge, huge event.

And this is the event that gave birth to legends like Marcelo Garcia, you know, where people got to see him perform for the first time. And, I mean, there's so much high-level match-ups. Recently, Krohn Gracie, who we had on the podcast, had his huge victory in Abu Dhabi. Eddie went down there, and Hoyler Gracie is maybe one of the most decorated Gracies ever when it comes to competition. I think probably the most right up next to Hodger, right? Yeah, they're the top two.

I mean, Hoyler is a legend, a true legend. Multiple Ghee Championships, World Championships, and multiple Abu Dhabi No Ghee Championships. He won it three times in a row. No one's ever scored, a true legend. Multiple Gi championships, world championships, and multiple Abu Dhabi no-Gi championships. He won it three times in a row. No one's ever scored a point on him. The guy is about as good as you can get for that 45 division. His dad is Helio Gracie. His dad was literally the founder of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, along with Carlos Gracie.

I mean, what his dad did was nothing short of, like, for when you put into perspective the, like, the history of martial arts and different people, like, Bruce Lee obviously plays a huge part in making martial arts exciting, getting people into martial arts. Chuck Norris also, huge part. Jean-Claude Van Damme, a very big part. That gets people into the schools in the first place. am a very big part that gets people into the schools in the first place but when you talk about a person who's like maybe the single most important person in all of martial arts it might be Elio Gracie I mean it might he might be the most important person ever a small man who used leverage and beautiful technique to submit people took on all comers weighed 140 pounds and he was fighting these giant dudes

i mean it's an amazing family the whole family is just what a crazy movie type family i mean you think about like a family that wouldn't even exist in the real world how about a family where one bad motherfucker this one jujitsu genius alio Gracie has a bunch of sons and they all turn out to be bad motherfuckers what other guy has had like produced 20 killers, 30 killers

in his own brood if you get into the story with Carlos Gracie his older brother he's the one who actually learned jujitsu and showed it to Elio and they both fought and stuff but towards the as they got older carlos fought less and managed helio more because helio became the beast and helio is the one who refined and and tweaked the the the system

and made it what it is today technically technically. But without Carlos learning it, Helio would have never learned jiu-jitsu. So it was really... They were both very important. Helio designed it and polished it and tweaked it, but Carlos is the one that showed him the raw techniques from what he learned from Maeda, I think his name is. Yes, yes.

I mean, and I don't even... When we're saying this, there's no disrespect. That's a movie. How come they haven't made a fucking big blockbuster james cameron movie about the gracies come on who would play hickson but you know what jujitsu guys would be so disappointed because in an hour and a half they'd have to just gloss over shit and like the real story is way more complicated yeah yeah it would it would can you imagine in an hour and a half you explain the whole Gracie story with all the brothers and Carlson and Helson and all their different stories and Houth and High End.

Dude, they would have to have like the High End edge would be like 10 minutes of the movie. That's it. They'd have to, High End would, you know. For folks who don't know, High End was like the crazy, he used to call him Gracie Devil. He was like one of the wildest guys. He fought in Pride as well. A lot of them fought in Pride. Of coursezo henzo fought in pride i mean there's so many great people great martial artists that came out of that family yeah um high and henzo

and half were all brothers and they were like they were like the tasmanian devils but henzo was probably the most uh friendly i Haiyan and Half were just ready to throw down at any time with anybody. They were the true pit bulls. And Henzo was a pit bull too. And according to the Machados and their stories, Henzo was always the one laughing and joking and

everyone loved him, but he was always in the middle of a fight. Someone would want to fight him and there'd be a riot. And Henzo is like a super happy-go-lucky guy, but middle of a fight. Someone would want to fight him and there'd be a riot. Henzo is like a super happy-go-lucky guy, but he has a side to him that he could turn it on.

You remember when he live-tweeted beating up those muggers? What a bad motherfucker Henzo Gracie is. And he thanked the mayor for not allowing guns. Not for worry about my gun. And he went out and these guys apparently, they were following him and they were thinking about mugging him.

And not only did he beat these guys up, he was live tweeting it and chasing after them. He knew they were eyeing him for some reason. He knew he was being targeted. And they were targeting Henzo Gracie. Fuck. What a huge, huge mistake. That would have to be in the movie. Somehow they would have to squeeze that.

That would be like a lost scenes. You know what I mean? It didn't quite make the story. They couldn't make it fit. But that's a crazy. That's a modern day Gracie story. Because you hear about all these old Gracie dojo storm stories. And there's all these

legendary stories. He tweeted pictures of his hands. Yeah, this is modern day old school Gracie stories, right? And it's only a couple, what is it, a year ago? What year was it? Man. What year was it? What did it say up there?

And the crazy thing is I was on Twitter when it was happening. I was watching it live as it was happening. Yeah. I was actually on Twitter while he was tweeting, these guys are following me, check this out. And he was taking pictures. He goes, I'm going to lure them into like some alley or to a corner. And he beat the fucking

shit out of these poor guys. He took pictures of his hands all busted up and bloody. He's probably had so many connections in NYPD. You know what I mean? Oh, sure. He knew that if he needed to beat up some muggers,

no one would ever give him any stress. He's so connected. Well, he was also talking about it with such glee. It reminded him of growing up in Rio. He really is. I mean, he's in New York City. You know he's about as connected as you can motherfucking get. Come on. Well, sure. There's a lot of cops who train jiu-jitsu. I mean, how many in New York City. You know he's about as connected as you can motherfucking get. Come on.

Well, for sure. There's a lot of cops who train jiu-jitsu. I mean, how many cops do we know? Connected to every side of New York. Well, everybody loves him. I bet he knows some serious mobsters and shit, right? I would imagine. He probably knows at least one.

You know what I mean? For sure. Mobsters would want to hang out with Henzo. You know what I mean? Gangsters would love to hang out with Henzo. That's a real-life killer right there. He's a great guy, too. For sure. Mobsters would want to hang out with Henzo. You know what I mean? Gangsters would love to hang out with Henzo. That's a real life killer right there. He's a great guy too.

Yeah, that's the real deal. The thing about Henzo is his personality is so fucking great. Like when you're around him, he's always hugging people and super friendly. Like, just got a great energy to him. Yeah. And he's a bad motherfucker. My favorite Gracie of all time, and I love, there's a lot of Gracies, man, that I love personally, that I know personally. There's a lot of Gracie's man that I love personally that I know personally there's a lot that I don't even know I'm like I've never met like I've never sat down and talked to

Horian I've never sat down and talked to Hodger you know what I mean there's a lot of great Helson I never sat down and talked to Helson but the Gracie's that I did have did have do have relationships with and did have time to talk and get to know. My favorite all time is Rose Gracie. I love her to death. That is one of the sweetest, coolest chicks on the planet. And you either come from the Helio side or the Carlos side. She's the only one, her and her sister, that come from both.

Because Jorian, her dad, married his cousin. So Helio Gracie is her grandfather. Carl's Gracie is her great-grandfather. Weird, right? So Rose Gracie is the most Gracie. She's Gracie from both. She's double Gracie. She's double Gracie.

Her blood is, it's like vampire Gracie blood. You know what I mean? Her and her sister are so Gracie. That's wild. They're double Gracie, and she's the coolest one. Wow. To me, to me, out of all the ones I've met, I love her. We work together, and she runs the Gracie Nationals and the Gracie World,

and we work together, and man, she's awesome. That's awesome. I love Henner. I love Henner. I know Henner. I know Huron. They've always been cool to me. I want to get those guys in the podcast too. Obviously, you just heard that I said I would do Halleck.

I would love to do him on as well. But Henner and Huron have done a fucking amazing job of promoting jiu-jitsu in a technical sense by showing those Gracie breakdowns. Those are great, man. Yeah. Those are really fucking, they're entertaining. Henner is like really captivating.

He's got like a great energy to him. He's like a natural, you know, natural speaker, a natural instructor from all those years of teaching jujitsu classes. But he's very entertaining, like his cadence and everything. But very technical in their jujitsu delivery. Their passion comes through. It's very obvious.

They really like what they do. And I find that infectious, you know? Yeah, those guys are awesome. Hiron has always been cool to obvious. They really like what they do. And I find that infectious, you know? Yeah. Those guys are awesome. Huron has always been cool to me. Henner, always been cool. And Krohn Gracie, I just got to... Very cool. You know, now I've met him and we've talked.

He's so cool. He went to my after party. That's how cool... Krohn Gracie went to my after party. That's awesome. Yeah, that's pretty crazy, right? He's an awesome guy. I told him,

aren't you going to get killed for this? What are you doing here? This is like a pure 10th Planet after party. Everybody here is 10th Planet. And he's just so cool. That's awesome. He's just so damn cool, man.

I love that guy. Well, you know, there's always these inter-family feuds. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of weird shit that goes on.

Point being, here's the story. Eddie goes down there huge underdog Hoyler Gracie's a legend we're talking about a legend from the most legendary family. That's one thing you say unequivocally What is the most legendary family of martial arts the Gracies for sure 100% not there's not even a close second probably the most legendary family That's ever existed ever like what other family is known for something like that again like a big huge family world champions known to be experts at strangling human beings not just experts but think of the amount of champions hoist gracie the very first ufc champion who arguably changed the world's opinion instantaneously of martial arts. That one guy.

Super legend. Hoist Gracie. Then you've got Henzo Gracie, another champion. You've got Hoyler Gracie, the most decorated. Him and Hodger, the most decorated champions. Hickson, who beats all of them. Hickson, who's the best. You ask any of them, they say Hickson's the best.

How crazy is that? That's insane. That's what a bad motherfucker Hickson, who's the best, you ask any of them, they say Hickson's the best. How crazy is that? That's insane. That's what a bad motherfucker Hickson is. Hickson whips Hoyler. He whips everybody. But even though they get whipped by Hickson, they're still legends. They're still better than most of the people walking. So it's

so crazy, the different levels. That is the most legendary for real family of all time yeah it really is think about that they're the family business is breaking bones and putting people to their death with their bare hands that's the family business it's pretty crazy who's who's more hardcore than the gracies? There's some video. It was like a demonstration that Hickson did where Hickson and Hoyler had a little sparring demonstration. I don't know what it was, though.

I don't know what was orchestrated. It was like at one of those Japanese events, maybe Pride. Yeah, they were just messing around. They just sort of demonstrated some techniques. But the only video that I've seen of them rolling is like there's some no-gi video of them rolling. You know, but any video that involves Hickson and his brothers ultimately leads to the brother tapping. Yeah. Which is insane.

Everyone gets smashed by Hickson. That's insane. When you think about that this one guy and a family of fucking super champions, this one guy rises to the top over all of them, universally acknowledged. And even the Brazilians that did jujitsu, that there's a lot of rivalries between the Gracies and it gets really technical. And there's certain Gracies don't like other Gracies.

And that's normal in all families. It's just normal. So the fact that it's a jujitsu family, that doesn't mean they're immune to what all families go through. All families have division. This aunt is not talking to that aunt. My mom is not talking to her sister. They hate each other for three years.

Like everyone's just – that's just the way families are. So they're not immune to it. So it's totally normal. But when you get into what's really going on, man, it's just... It's insane is what it is. It's like this one family that has created such an empire of martial arts and, in my opinion, changed martial arts forever. I think Hoist Gracie and his victory in the Ultimate Fighting Championship

was one of the most important moments in the history of martial arts, without a doubt. If not the most important moment. Absolutely. Because people got to see what really works. People got to see something in a way that you never saw before. You never saw a small man who didn't look physically imposing dismantle other people with technique. Yeah. And even though Horion was the guy that actually made it happen physically,

the whole family was involved because Horian is the one who it was his idea, we need to put this show on in the States and prove that Jiu-Jitsu is the most effective martial art, we could do this, but it was because of what he saw Hickson doing,

because of what he saw Hoyler doing in the dojo storm matches and gracian action tapes it was because what his father helio spread to everyone that's what made horion wouldn't have the drive and the vision if he didn't see what hickson was doing on a daily basis and what his dad did and know the history of what his dad did. All that, everybody, Carlson Gracie, he was using all the Carlson Gracie fighters and the Gracie in action tapes. It was all that, all the Gracie events

and all the Gracie people, they were all involved and Horian needed all that to explode the UFC. So it wasn't just Horian, it was everybody. Horian couldn't have done it alone. Right. So that's why there was some division. Some guys wanted to go here and say, you know, I'm going to do this on this side. And then, you know, that people, but that's totally normal.

But also there was some things opening up in other countries too. Like Hickson started doing Japan Valley Tudor. It was around the same time. It wasn't only around 94, 95. Everything just exploded. Yeah. When Hoyst blew blew it all up all the people that were involved down the chain carlson and all those guys and everyone they said okay this is we're all part of this so then then it just grew and exploded in the gracie it just instantly jujitsu just spread all over the world instantly everybody needed ju jiu-jitsu. Martial arts masters were traveling

all over. They were all going into jiu-jitsu. All these American guys going into Rio. It just became like the thing to do in martial arts is go to Brazil and then we got exposed to chuscarias and acai.

All that shit's here because of jiu-jitsu. That's one of the things about martial arts that a lot of people don't realize is that for maybe thousands of years, it pretty much remained the same. When the Gracies came along, that was what really kick-started it to this level right now. You know, you can say that jiu-jitsu's

not the most important martial art, but historically, it's the most important martial art, unquestionably. Like that one event where people got to see a guy like Hoyce dominate these bigger, stronger guys, and he wasn't a scary-looking physical. He wasn't built like Mike Tyson or anything like that. He wasn't built like Roy Jones Jr.

where you look at him and you go, whoa, how can that guy move? That guy moves like a ghost. It wasn't that. It was just technique. It's a pretty amazing thing to watch. and that guy moved. That guy moves like a ghost. It wasn't that. It was just technique. You know? So, a pretty, pretty amazing thing to watch. It's one of the things people don't realize too

about Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris was ahead of the fucking curve, man. Chuck Norris, even though like a lot of people associate him with like Walker, Texas Ranger and you know,

like movies and TV shows now. Chuck Norris was a legit kickboxer. Like legit champion kickboxer. Legit karate champion Norris was a legit kickboxer like legit champion kickboxer legit karate champion he was a bad motherfucker and he really was into martial arts into training in martial arts and learning new things and when did he start training with the Machado's way before the UFC way before the UFC right like didn't have like a late 80s he had like a purple belt or a brown belt before the UFC for Way before the UFC, right? Didn't he have like a... Late 80s? He had like a purple belt or a brown belt

before the UFC, before the first UFC. He was responsible somehow for the UFC getting moved along. There were some kind of connections because once Chuck Norris discovered Jiu-Jitsu, he was all over it. He just immediately

injected it into his Chuck Norris system. Anybody that's in the Chuck Norris affiliation system, they have to do jiu-jitsu. That's a karate association that requires you to do Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Chuck Norris is the man. Yeah, I met him twice. I met him once when I was with you. We met him at some kickboxing event.

Remember when we would see that World Combat League thing? Pete Spratt fought in that one. Yeah, dude. Raymond Daniels, too, Spratt fought on that one. Yeah, dude. There was, that was a lot. Raymond Daniels too, I think was on that card. A lot of great fighters.

That was fun as hell. And, but just meeting Chuck Norris was like holy, but I didn't get a picture. This, I met him again recently and I got a picture of him.

That guy's the, he's a real deal, man. You know, what he did and he's such a humble guy too. Like, all these guys, i was on this uh dais this dais to um this guy jim harrison's famous karate champion as well they were uh

congratulating him and uh chuck norris was like he all of his stories like involve like bad things happening to him all of his stories involved like uh he uh he he panicked he couldn't talk in front of people so he told this hilarious story about uh not even remembering talking not even remembering giving a speech because he was so terrified to speak in front of people like very self-deprecating you know was where a lot of those you know you get into that sort of an event and a guy looks for it as an opportunity to go in the glory days and talk about his past victories and that kind of shit. Chuck Norris did none of that.

He was laughing, smiling, you know, just self-deprecating. That guy's a legit martial artist, like a real legit martial artist. Yeah, and of course, you know, with that kind of mentality, as soon as you discover that there's a big weakness in your game, you want to fill that shit and fill it immediately.

So he got it. He was into Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Then he started training with the Machados and got really tight with them and ended up getting his black belt from Carlos, I think. And that's why Carlos went to Texas. Yeah. And that's who I got my black belt from. Jean-Jacques Machado, one of the great Machado brothers.

There's five of them, Higgin, Johnny, Hodger, and Jean-Jacques, and Carlos. And Jean-Jacques is another, I mean, the Machado family is another legendary family as well. I mean, you think Higgin, Hodger, Jean-Jacques,

I mean, that family as well became legendary for, like, very, very high-level black belts. Yeah, the cousins of the Braces. Yeah. They were cousins. Yeahques I mean that family as well became legendary for like very very high level black belts the cousins of the bass they were cousins yeah I mean

and there's a photo of him look and Jean-Jacques is just a beautiful human being I love that guy no Spartan he's just got such a

great energy to him that's a great picture right there that is that's like 1993 five boys five boys from Brazil all badasses picture right there. It is. That's like 1993. Five boys. Five boys from Brazil.

All badasses in jiu-jitsu. All five of them. That's pretty crazy. It is crazy. You know, because when jiu-jitsu exploded, all the Gracies said, I'm going to make my own shit.

And they all just made their own schools. And Henzo went to New York. And, you know, Half goes to San Francisco. And they take their markets and shit and that horion did the torrance thing that was like the main gracie place and then all the gracie started spreading and some stayed in brazil the machados man five boys five brothers they all came out and they just opened up a school together in redondo beach and then the second one in the valley in

tarzana that's where I ended up going. But, man, it was pretty crazy, man. You have five boys, and they're all around the same age. Can you imagine? Pop, pop, pop, pop. You have five boys, and they all look very similar. And they're all yoked. They're all killers.

And every one of them is a badass at jiu-jitsu. Yeah. That's pretty remarkable. But the Gracies got, that's just another day in the park for the Gracies. Yeah. Every family. If you're a Gracie man and you got a Gracie last name and you're not doing jiu-jitsu,

what? What happened there? I want to document. Are there any? I don't know. That's a good question. That would be a really hilarious comedy sketch, like a Tim and Eric sketch.

The one Gracie who didn't want to do jujitsu. This one Gracie's just into like dance or something. I bet that happens sometimes. I bet that, you know what? Everyone in the family does jujitsu, and then I want to do this, or I want to be an artist, or I want to be,

and then you try that for a while, and you're like, shit, I can make some easy money just using my name in jujitsu, and then you realize, fuck it. You realize what you have, and you're like, shit, I can make some easy money just using my name in jiu-jitsu. And then you realize, fuck it. You realize what you have. You have a great thing. Your whole family are experts at choking people and taking their arms.

And you're choosing this other shit. You have this life for you right here. Some people just want to be their own individual, though, you know? But that is a good question. What percentage of Gracie men didn't do jiu-jitsu? I bet zero I'm going with zero wow that would be remarkable I think they raised them with it from the time they were children yeah if you have Gracie is your last name you have no choice you're gonna

do jiu-jitsu that's incredible right it's pretty incredible so 2003 we're in Brazil giant match Eddie beats Gustavo Dantes who is a very high level jiu-jitsu black belt and he taps him gets his back so I saw that you're pumped up you know you felt very confident you felt good and you were you know you were zoned in but the idea that you were gonna fight Hoyler Gracie seems so crazy to me just knowing what I know about the Gracie's knowing what I know about the history of the family knowing what a legendary family there to see you my best friend standing there with Hoyler Gracie and you guys are about to grapple I'm like and we're in Brazil I'm like to this fucking trip I was starstruck I

thought I was in it I was like in some watching some 3d TV or something feels like you're right there on the mat. And Eddie wound up catching him in a triangle. It was the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. And it was like time stopped. It was like when you slapped that triangle on him, it seemed like time stopped. It didn't even seem real.

And you kept jailbreaking, man, which was hilarious. That dexterity that you have with your legs, and you're setting up this omoplata here, and you got him in full rubber guard here. Mission control here. That was the beginning of the rubber guard right there. Yeah, what you had then was the ability to control people.

You just didn't have as many variations on technique to attack with, but you had this unbelievable fucking flexibility that a lot of people aren't aware of. You got some weird flexibility. And not just flexibility, but dexterity. Like in places that maybe some people can grab their leg and put it, you could put your leg there on its own.

But there's so many guys that are out there. It's not that weird of flexibility it's just getting into lotus like if you got into yoga and you got obsessed with it eventually two years three years five years you'd have to be able to get into the very basic lotus position yes there's a little more than that fella you're being nice that's what it is i know what you're saying but the reality is you got some crazy legs. There's something weird about your legs. Your legs are like arms.

They move in strange ways. Right here, if he didn't try to pass right there and if he had just stayed in my guard, I wouldn't have gotten him. This wouldn't have happened, this transition. Boom. The jailbreak transition. Yeah, he got aggressive, and he shouldn't have got aggressive. If he would have just been conservative, I wouldn't have been able to go right here, right into the triangle.

Boom. Overhook. All Jean-Jacques right there. That's all Jean-Jacques. Yeah, you controlled that wrist and then slapped it over. And now this right here, where you had the triangle locked in, once here, like right there, I was like, holy shit. Because before, it was like one of those things where you're not breathing because it's not triangle locked in once here like right there i was like holy shit because before it was like one of those things where you're not breathing because it's not totally locked in but once you had it locked behind the knee i was looking and i was like how is this guy

gonna survive and he's tapping i was like he can't survive like no one can it's a human being when you have a guy your size and you slap a triangle on him this tight. See, right here I wasn't sure. Bam, there I knew. Once he dropped down, I was like, holy shit, that's locked in. You were screaming, man. Oh, my God. We were the only one screaming because everybody else was freaking out.

This Brazilian TV station had set up cameras there. They shut down the other matches so they could better light this match because Hoyler Gracie is a hero. And they were going to show Hoyler Gracie dominating the first time Abu Dhabi came to Sao Paulo. When you slap this triangle on him, dude, all you heard was me and Jamie Walsh. Me and Jamie Walsh were yelling out, pull the head, pull the head. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh, my God. It was just madness. Like, oh, shit, what? We couldn't even believe it. And then once he did pull the head and once he did tap, it was like the world froze. It was weird. It was like it didn't make sense. The world just became some new place.

The world just a totally new element opened up. Like the world became some new place. The world just a totally new element opened up. The world became a new place. Now all of a sudden Eddie Bravo is a champion martial artist. Well I didn't win the championship. It doesn't matter. You just tapped Hoyler Gracie. You're capable of tapping Hoyler Gracie. That's championship level shit.

He tapped one of the greatest guys of all time. It was a whole new world opened up. It was just all of a sudden it was like whoa. This is weird. time it was it was a whole new world opened up yeah it was just all of a sudden it was like whoa this is weird yeah it was it was weird it was weird to watch too man because i'm when i met you you're a purple belt you know you were really good purple belt weird crazy moves and shit and then um all of a sudden you're brown belt and you were brown belt Belt in Abu Dhabi, bro. That's crazy. You tapped him when you were a Brown Belt. So, 11 long years go by. And this Saturday night, they had a rematch. Eddie and Hoyler had a rematch in Metamorris.

And that's what we were talking to Halak Gracie about on the phone. They're promoting these professional jiu-jitsu matches. And it's awesome. Keenan Cornelius fought Kevin Casey. Kevin Casey took, you got to pee? I'll just describe the whole event. A lot of really, really high-level fighters fought. A lot of really good jiu-jitsu fighters fought. And the main event was Eddie versus Hoyler Gracie.

And 11 years running. I mean, it's a long time in between matches and there was so much talk so much so many haters so many believers so many i mean there's so much back and forth between you know the people that thought that eddie winning the first time was a fluke and the people that legitimately thought that eddie has a brilliant mind and a creative mind for jiu-jitsu that's really unique and he can come up with a lot of techniques and his deck like he's talking he doesn't want to admit that he's got weird dexterity in his legs but he can move his legs in weird ways he can wrap you

up in triangles and stuff in weird ways without a lot of people have to grab their foot and place in places so he has these techniques that he's developed and really created a bunch of paths. And a lot of jiu-jitsu guys do this. This is not unique. But his paths were uniquely his in that he came up with a lot of different techniques and approaches and refined a lot of other approaches that he sort of adopted

or adapted to jiu-jitsu and the system in 2003 was really not even a tenth of what it is now after 2003 Eddie started teaching and then it became crazy then the system started growing and new techniques were added. And there became guys like Danny Propokos, who's a world champion as a brown belt. Guys came out of there that were showing that your techniques weren't just for you and your crazy dexterity, but you had broken down things in a way that, you know,

other people hadn't done before in a weird way. Your positions, you're very unique. And there was a lot of people that didn't want to accept that for whatever reason. And there was all this, oh, he got lucky, oh, fluke, all this. So Saturday night rolls around, and I couldn't imagine there being more anticipation in a room before something. And it was a cool anticipation too, because one of the things I like about jiu-jitsu is no one's going to get knocked the fuck out even if you get choked out you know there's something

about like seeing a friend fight it gets real rough i mean we've been friends with mma fighters but i've never been as friendly with an mma fighter as i am with you you know but knowing a guy and liking a guy and watching him get head kicked, it's hard to do. So it didn't have that aspect to it, but it was all positive is what I'm trying to say. It was all just, holy shit, it's going down. And once it did, there was no points because it's a 20-minute match. So for 20 minutes, it's either submission or no points. But in that 20 minutes minutes you swept him on multiple occasions you got side control he never threatened you in any way shape or form you swept

him with electric chairs you threatened him with a neck crank and you threatened him with this nasty fucking submission move on his knee which i don't you know i don't know how he didn't tap because that was hard to watch, man. We were sitting there watching. That was the move I got you on the high time. Yes. You know that move? The vaporizer.

Yeah. That move is so painful. Just that photo shoot, that shit hurt, man. It hurts. And somehow or another, Hoyler just, I mean, look, he's a warrior. He didn't want to tap. He just decided he wasn't going to tap. For people who have never seen jiu-jitsu before,

that was like the perfect introduction match because it was so exciting. There was so much madness. And there was a bunch of times where you were working on shit and he rolled you over onto your back and then he swept him again. So there's all these like seesaws. When he would roll, you'd be on shit and he rolled you over onto your back and then he swept him again. So there's all these like seesaws. When he would roll, you'd be on your back,

oh shit, he's on his back. But you on your back is different than a lot of people on your back because that's how you tapped him in the first fight. You tapped him from your back. Your guard is crafty. So it was an incredibly thrilling match because there was constant threat at all times.

And even from him, man, he's still Hoyler Gracie. You always knew, I mean, he's still that champion. If something went wrong, if you didn't dot your I's and cross your T's... I was not sure I was going to win this fight. How could you be sure? He's fucking Hoyler Gracie. I mean...

He's Hoyler fucking Gracie. I never said that I'm going to go out there and just strangle him. I was just, I didn't know, I hadn't competed in so long. Look right here, I'm faking like I'm going to wrestle. Because I didn't think he was just going to let me pull him into quarter guard. I thought at this point, like, wow, he just. He didn't know.

I thought he was just going to try some totally different shit. But this is what he always does. Every morning before I work out, I warm up on the Stairmaster. I go to YouTube, put Hoyler ADCC, pick one of his matches, and that gives me all the motivation. I just watch him roll. And he's so good at this, but I thought he would try to pass to the other side. And I thought this position, I thought this position was going to be the hardest to get. This was the key. If I could just get quarter guard in this position, I felt like I could get him.

And there's a bunch of crazy rules in this match as well. One of the rules was that Hoyler was wearing these skin-tight shorts. Eddie was wearing gi pants. And Hoyler was allowed to grab Eddie's gi pants, but Eddie wasn't allowed to grab Hoyler's shorts. So it was weird to watch, man. Because there's times where he's giving you a wedgie and pulling on your pants. Yeah, he's pulling them down. You can see my underwear. Yeah. And when he got to that leg lock and he's trying to defend that leg lock, you're tearing his knee apart.

And he's hanging on to your cuff. It saved him. The pants saved him. Yeah. Because if he didn't have the pants, I would have stomped on that foot and got the extra power. Because he, I mean, man, I think his knee popped at least seven times. We were talking. I'm like, we could stop this now. Are you sure? He goes, no, I'm fine. And I'm popping. I'm like, what about that?

He goes, I'm fine. I'm like, it just kept popping. I'm like, damn, are you sure? Because everything's good. Everything's fine. We're talking throughout this whole match. Right here, he wanted the under hook really, really bad. So I was saying, it's hard to get this time, huh? Because the first time he got the under hook, I got a lot of work. A lot of work, huh? It was a hard one. It's only because I would rather go against a guy who wasn't really mad at me. Right. If I could joke with you and get like, this is just for fun. Right, right, right.

Then I feel like, okay, I can get this guy now because I could win because he's not mad. But if he's mad, oh shit, like I would never want to fight like a Diego Sanchez type guy who's mad at me. I'm like, oh no, no, no. I want to fight a guy that's like friendly and shit. That's hilarious.

Yeah, so we were Constantly joking with him Constantly And Like after I swept him When I get on top Of the electric chair And I'm holding him And I go

You can't move from here So just hang on and relax I need about a minute to rest And he's like I go You can't do nothing Just relax That's hilarious

Because there's some positions Where There's I don't know maybe three or four positions They're like cradles They're like wrestling cradles It happens here where the guy on the bottom just can't do anything He's not getting tapped but he can't move

He's completely wrapped up And I use those spots to rest But it's hilarious that you told him Just relax When me and Jean-Jacques wrestle We are always talking smack to each other. Me and Jean-Jacques always goof and we're always, it's always a joke. It's fun.

Always. Me and Jean-Jacques, it's like a thing we do. And I do, there's certain guys that I roll with and I do that too. I don't like to do it too much to my students because then it seems like I'm acting arrogant against a guy that I could. He's one of my students. He's a blue belt or a white belt. Right.

That would look really douchey. No. You'd see it playful. But because Jean-Jacques can smash me anytime he wants, I talk... I pretend like I'm arrogant because it's funny. Right, right, right. Because you can do anything you want.

Right. So no matter how douchey I get, we know it just doesn't make any sense because he's killing me. But... No matter how douchey I get, we know it just doesn't make any sense because he's killing me. So same thing here. I have so much respect for him that I feel like I could just joke around with him, and I don't want him to be mad at me. Well, that's good. That's a good attitude to have, man, especially after 11 years between the matches.

It's cool that you kept that feeling. And you were completely respectful the entire way up to it the promotion of it your opinion of him you were praising what a legend he is always you were very self-deprecating about your first victory too

this was a 20 minute match and because there was no submission it's a draw Metamorris is doing a unique thing I don't know if they've got the rules totally ironed out where they want them to yet. But what they're trying to do is discourage people from point fighting. What that means is work towards submission at all times. And you may get a submission and you may not get a submission.

But the idea is you're seeing real jiu-jitsu here. And they've accomplished that. Like everyone was going for submissions, whether it was Guy Mendes or Hoffa Mendes or Keenan Cornelius. Everyone was going for submissions. Sometimes they didn't get them, but it was really exciting because of that, because guys couldn't just sort of wrestle to a certain position and then hold. But if this was a scored match, you would have beat him handily.

I mean, you swept him multiple times, you got side control on him, and you had two near submissions. This is where he gets the underhook. The crowd goes nuts because he's been fighting for the underhook for five minutes, and he finally gets it, and this is the position that we were in in our first match. So all the greats are like, yes, he got the underhook. It's so technical that he finally got it, And I still have him in quarter guard here. So I was a little worried.

But you see what I'm doing with my right hand? I'm going under the knee right here. I never really do that. And I was keeping him from going no hand pass. So I'm like, okay, cool. This is nice. He can't go no hand pass because I'm holding his leg out like that. And I've never really done that before.

This is the first time. It's crazy. See how I have my left hand? He can't go no hand pass. I'm holding his leg out like that. And I've never really done that before. This is the first time. It's crazy. See how I have my left hand? Yeah. He can't go no hand pass. I'm holding open his legs. So I felt comfortable, even though I didn't have the underhook. I just had to somehow get a lockdown.

So for my people, they know, they see me fighting like this. This is every day in the gym. This is how it looks. I start in this position. This is how it looks. So to the Gracie side, they probably thought he was winning right here.

My mom was freaking out. My mom thought he was killing me. At this moment, you got the lockdown. Somewhere in here, you got the lockdown. And when you got the lockdown, here it is. The crowd went fucking crazy. Yes, that was crazy. I get the lockdown. My guys go nuts. He gets the underhook. His crowd goes nuts. I get the lockdown. My crowd goes nuts. It was crazy. Yes, that was crazy. I get the lockdown, my guys go nuts. He gets the underhook, his crowd goes nuts.

I get the lockdown, my crowd goes nuts. It was crazy. The lockdown's way bigger, though. For folks who don't know, the lockdown, when you got a guy who's really good at it, and he has you in half guard and slaps it on, your leg's in jeopardy. You might tear your fucking

knee, you're getting manipulated, you got two legs against one. And when a guy's really good at it, a guy like Eddie, when they're really good at it and they have two legs against one, it puts you in a precarious position. And it makes you vulnerable to a lot of different sweeps. And here you're flipping them backwards.

That's when the crowd went nuts. Well, dude, you got his leg in a mangled position here. His electric chair right here. I didn't think this was the plan. The plan was exactly what happened. That was the plan. I was going to go just do what I do at the gym every night. This is exactly what I do every night.

This is nothing new. It wasn't a special strategy for Hoyler. So that was John Jock's whole plan is to get me to do what I normally do, the best shit I'm at, to do it out there on him. And then he reversed you for a second. I didn't have the leg on my shoulder. So I go, let's go back and boom and get it. So it looked like he swept me, but I went back to put that leg back on my shoulder and I went rock right back up. So people thought he's like, dude. I do it all the time.

So now I'm in a position. So you rocked it with momentum because you had full control over that leg. It just wasn't on my shoulder. I had to go back and scoop it up. So now I'm on top and now I'm in the electric chair on top and this is where I'm talking to him. I'm like, you can't do anything here. Just relax.

This is where I rest. I went through a lot of explosion and I rest right here. I have control of his legs. That's why he was doing that thing with his hands. Because people were wondering, why is he throwing his hands up in the air? He did that a couple of times when you got him into side control. Then I passed the guard, boom.

And right here, he's still stuck. I got him in a cradle. But that makes sense now, because everybody wondered why he was doing that with his hands. People were like, oh, Hoyler was complaining. No, he was complaining because you were talking shit to him. You were saying you're stuck here. Don't move. And maybe he was saying, well, I can't do nothing.

He's holding me. He's holding me. Like this is jujitsu. We're holding. We're clenching and squeezing. And he's all like, how could he complain about that? He's totally immobile here. Even though I let go of the lockdown and passed his guard,

the reason why the pass was guaranteed is because of the control I have on his leg. I have a head and arm and the leg, so that pass was easy. As soon as I let go of the lockdown, didn't want to let it go until I rest a little bit. And then finally, I let go of the leg last, and now I'm in side control. And here's the big transition. I thought he was going to turn into me, but he turns away. So I'm like, ooh, that's even easier, but he's rolling in a nice way, but I had to turn it into a hundred percent here. So this is halfway. This is a neck crank that I do to get the guy to give me his back. So I'm neck cranking him here. And if he pulls his

left arm all the way out, um, I usually transitioned to the back and that's what he did right there. So now I'm getting up and his left arm's free now. So all I got to do is get up on my right knee and then swirled to the back. That's what I'm going to do here. I wanted the twister. That was the plan. The plan was to get him in a twister, but he did a really good job of just shrugging me off. So now I got to start over again. So at this point I'm thinking, this is what I'm really thinking. I thought the most important thing for me is to go out there and not get smoked and not get tapped in 20 seconds or 30 seconds because that would crush me. That would be the worst possible thing. So let's make sure that doesn't happen. And if I lose, if I tap, at least let me go out there and give, we have 20 minutes. Let's see some good 10 planet techniques

for my people just to show that it works. If he taps, so at this point, I'm thinking, I did so much to him right there, textbook 10th planet shit, all the way through, note for note, that I thought, the worst case scenario, if he taps me in one second, at least I got some good shit in.

So in my mind, because that's how much respect I have for him, I'm like, he can still get me, I'm not over, we got like 13 minutes. So in my mind, in my mind, cause that's how much respect I have for him. I'm like, he could still get me. I'm not over it. We got 13 minutes. So in my mind, I already won. I go, I won. So when you think that way and you're, I thought I already did all this shit. So the worst case scenario, he tasked me out. I did a good job. So for some reason that made me just want to attack him more and go, let's just keep pounding up. Oh, here's another one. Damn, let's see if I can do another one.

Oh, here's another one. I just changed shit. I go, damn, I'm not going to go for a twister. I'm going to go for a vaporizer. When I get him in an electric chair and he doesn't tap, when I test his flexibility, if they don't tap, I can just sweep him and get on top and set him up for a twister, which I already tried. But I made the decision. I go, you know what? He's pretty good at shaking me off the back.

If I just go to the vaporizer, it'll look just as cool as a twister. And I do it all the time. And that's good enough. So that was the plan. I go, he's not stopping the electric chair. So I'm going to go back and get another. I thought about rubber guard for a second there. And I thought, you know what?

You see how I got the underhook you see that i went rubber guard locked down whipped him he had the underhook but that whip boom i sucked him around bam that's a little whip down combo a very important combo to master and now i got the under so i thought he's not stopping the electric chair tonight because if he would have been able to he can't i'm able to do electric chairs easy so i knew i could just go back and more money in the able to, he can't, I'm able to do electric chairs easy. So I knew I could just go back and more money in the bank. I knew he couldn't stop it. He just was perplexed here. So I go, you know what? I'm, I got to go to the vaporizer, which means I got to get his leg over to my left shoulder on the other side. I need to get my head. I want me, I just need to

squash his leg down and get on top in a leg drag type position, but a leg drag with a lockdown to maintain control. So right now I go back to the electric chair for the third or fourth time, and I was really confident at this point. I just knew he wasn't going to tap from the electric chair, and I didn't want to pass his guard, get on top, and try the twister. I already made the decision. So for folks who don't know what we're talking about here,

the electric chair is a move where you've got a guy literally in a full split and you're controlling his bottom leg and the other leg, you're, you're forcing it up towards his head. Most people don't have the flexibility to tolerate it. And a lot of times they tap just from that. You're like literally ripping their crotch apart. Yeah. And, and right here, you know what? I didn't get, I didn't get the position I wanted. So I'm letting him get on top so I can set it up again. I go, he cannot stop it. He can't stop my underhooks. I already knew I had him beat on the inside.

So I'm going to set it up again and go back to the, because I wanted the vaporizer. He foiled the vaporizer. I lost control of his leg. So I got to start over again. So all of these times where he's on top, where the audience is like, oh, the tide has shifted back and forth. This is just you resetting.

Dude, he could not stop my half guard game. I was just, the confidence just kept growing and growing. So even though he has the underhook, I go, watch, I'm going to get the underhook back. I was already getting it back. There's no way you could stop it. See that boom, whip down. I go, I'm just going to keep doing it. He can't stop it.

So, and then I'm going to start all over. I know he's not going to be able to, he's not going to shake boom whipped down. I go, I'm just going to keep doing it. He can't stop it. So, and then I'm going to start all over. I know he's not going to be able to, he's not going to shake the lockdown. The lockdown's too strong. He was never close to ever getting his leg out. I was so confident at this point. I was getting a little gassed and I knew I could recover. All I needed was like a little time. So, to hide the gassassiness or the gassiness.

I would stop breathing. I'm dying inside, but I would stop breathing. You know, like when Jason walks into your house and you're in the closet and you're like, but then you go. Yeah, I was doing that just so he wouldn't smell. Now I did it again. I knew I could do it again. Now I got to get his leg to the other side.

I don't want, look at, see, I'm holding onto his leg. I need to get it to the other side of my body, right? So I'm like, you know what? Damn, I lost it again. Let me, let me do it again. So look at that. I got to, let me do it again. They thought he reversed me, but I go, I'm just setting it up.

Now I got the leg over right there. Boom. Now that's where I want to be. That's the transition right there. And I go, I'm going to go after his leg. i thought about it for a second there but i go no you know what i'm gonna roll i can't just reach back for it i gotta have set it up i'm gonna set it up right here squash him down i thought about it again but then he stopped it right there and i go okay let me set it up differently but then we got broke up here and this is where all the controversy now

what the hell was going on here? I knew what position we were in was top stoner control. I knew the position. I'm there all the time. He had no idea what I was doing. And he didn't know that I knew. He thought it was just some crazy, weird position. And he didn't know where he was. And I was

pulled guard right here and I was going to say, here, give me your leg. Let me throw it over. I'm going to get on top and we're going to go back and I'll show you exactly the whole thing. I was going to show it. I was going to do it from the top. See, I'm trying to do it from step one. And then I was going to take him over and I was showing him the sweep instead of just getting in the position. He's all confused.

He doesn't know what's going on. I'm trying to, I go, you got to get your leg over. And he's not, he keeps refusing. I'm like, man, he's not letting me get in the position. And look, he's like, no, no, no. And he's not, he keeps refusing. I'm like, man, he's not letting me get in the position. And look, he's like,

no, no, no. And he didn't know. In his defense, he didn't know the position, but I know exactly what's going on.

He refuses to get in the position. And then I'm just thinking, I need to rest a little bit anyways. So, this is bullshit. I'm not going to argue.

Look, we're just arguing here. He won't let me. I know exactly, and then I decided, fuck that. Fuck this shit. I'm not going to get. Look, we're just arguing here. He won't let me. I know exactly. Then I decided, fuck that. Fuck this shit. I'm not going to get fucked here. And the crowd was going nuts yelling, replay, replay, replay.

And so Scott Nelson looks over right here. He looks over to Halleck and he goes, what do you want me to do, Halleck? Halleck said stand him up. Start standing. And when, look, he's going to walk over right now. And I said, what did he say? And then they put the replay on. He goes, Halleck said, stand him up. He when, look, he's going to walk over right now. And I said, what did he say? And then they put the replay on. He goes, Halleck said, stand him up.

He said, stand him up. And I'm like, fuck that. We're not standing up. And then the replay comes on and everybody looks at the replay. And then Hoyler just gets down and gets into position. I go, look. Look what the, I know what position's going on. So he let me have it.

See? He said, okay. No resistance once the video came out. Yeah, you kept trying to sneak that left knee in. See, he said, okay, no, no resistance. Once the video came out. Yeah. You kept trying to sneak that left knee in. Yeah. Yeah. And this is top stoner control right there. Right. There's stoner control from the back and there's stoner control from the top. But he didn't have your wrists. He didn't have your wrists before the break. Well, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. None of it. What I want here is I want him to push me away because I'm going to dip and roll. I'm going to tuck and roll. But if he holds on to me, I can't tuck and roll if he holds on. So I got to make it look like I want to smash him and squeeze

him because I could pass at any time. The pass is guaranteed. Do you want the for sure pass or do you want to try to tuck and roll and go for the kill right away and go after the vaporizer? And I thought I'm going right for the vaporizer, fuck passing his guard and then he recovers half guard and all that shit. I wanted to go for the kill right here. So right now I'm on my side. I'm setting it up. I need to be up on my knees, but just all I do is need to get up. See, I'm getting up. All I got to do is really get on top, but I know I could get on top of him anytime I want. I know this position. I'm just weighed. Now I'm on my knees. I collected some gas. I recovered. He can't get out. I'm in control here. His legs are all mangled. So what I want to do is

turn to my right and roll on my left shoulder. But what I'm resting, all I'm doing is resting. I'm going to turn to my right, roll on my left shoulder, but I need him to push me. So see, I'm selling the fact that I want to squeeze him. And I want to see, and now he's pushing away. He bought it. He bought the fact that I wanted to squeeze him. So this is what I always do. So now I'm gurgling going, ah, like I hate this, like I hate this, but look, he's pushing away. He bought it. He bought the fact that I wanted to squeeze him. So this is what I always do. So now I'm gurgling and going, ah. Like, I hate this. Like, I hate this.

But look, he's going to help me. See how he helped me and he pushed me through? He pushed me through. He pushed you through. And now you got this. And I thought for sure he was going to tap. This is the vaporizer. No one has ever not tapped to this. This is, in my arsenal, the nastiest leg lock.

This is a calf crank and it's a toe hold at the same time and he can't protect himself with his other leg. We're on his other leg, so his other leg is useless. I can use both my arms as opposed to the calf crank from the truck. You can't use both arms for fear

of getting arm barred with one of them. The left, yeah. So you need to protect that other leg anyways. He's got a free leg to break shit apart. But from the vaporizer, he can't protect with his other leg. It's out of the mix. And you could use both arms

because there's no arm bar. And it's a leg compression and a toe hold in one. It's the nastiest leg lock in my arsenal. And the fact that his leg popped at least seven times. It was popping and cracking. And I'm telling him right here. I'm asking him. I go, dude, we can end this. And the fact that his leg popped at least seven times. It was popping and cracking. And I'm telling him right here.

I'm asking him. I go, dude, we can end this. And he's like, no. See that? He's like, no. I go, we can stop this. It keeps popping. He goes, that's normal.

That's normal. I go, it keeps popping. And he refused to tap. He refused, man. And I was yanking. And so I thought, I was doing things I never did to that vaporizer. I usually just grab the toes with both hands, twist it in pool. And it's really easy. And the calf crank from the truck, another thing that you need, you need to stomp your left,

the inside of your left foot with your right foot. You got to shove your leg deeper into the back of his knee. Look how nasty that looks. But in the calf crank, you need a stomp. In this one, you don't need a stomp. You could just keep your legs figure four. Both arms, that's enough pressure. Just leave your legs figure four. But if for some crazy reason they don't tap like he did, then you would go to the stomp to add even more pressure.

But he was holding the gi pant, so I could see he's holding my right leg. I need to use my right foot and stomp on the inside of my left foot. I need to pull it up and stomp on it. And you can't get his hands free. I can't get my leg free. You see how he's holding it? But I mean, so I decided, you know what?

I'm just, I generally don't need to stomp on that foot. So I'm still trying to make him tap like everyone else taps without it. But see how he's holding it? So I grab his foot, I'm twisting it. it and i thought there's like a minute left i go i'm gonna give it everything i got one more time and i just grabbed his foot something i never do and i twisted it and shoved it like try to shove it like in his ribs man and he still wouldn't tap and you're just popping and it's just he didn't care he just kept going he knew that if he didn't tap it would be a draw and that's what he needed he couldn't have you tap twice he tapped him twice he has nothing the fact that he's holding on to my gi pants there

that's what's saving him you know so crazy yeah he's in some serious danger right here if you had to do it again would you do it with gi pants again yes yes because the gi pants made those electric chairs so easy he could he was never close to pulling his leg out of lockdown so uh detraction is just unbelievable i mean the pants the pants were bad for him in a lot of ways but it saved him right here in this one position yeah it did save him but i would yeah i would uh i would have went back to pants anyways with that whole pant scandal thing. It's amazing. I asked to wear pants.

They said, okay, you can wear pants if you promise not to change your mind. I wanted to change my mind. They said, you promise not to change it. And then so they made me wear what I asked for. So I met his lawyer. His lawyer, he ended up being really, really cool, man. The guy that was uh trying to protect a hoiler from the pant hole situation that's when you're twisting it dude yeah i'm

pushing down and trying to smash he's obviously in some serious pain here but it's incredible he's not tapping what do you think happened to the knee if you had a guess is this some damage maybe maybe he his knee always pops and that's the thing they say about him is that he won't tap to joint locks. Like, remember when Sakuraba got him in that Kimura? Yeah. And they stopped the fight, and he's like, don't stop the fight. I'm there all day. I'm fine.

I don't get tapped from those things. Yeah, man. So, like Halleck said, please don't watch this on YouTube. If you do watch on YouTube, please support Metamorris. Just go there and purchase one for $20. There's a lot of high-level matches, and it was really fun. People kept saying you were going nuts. I was going crazy.

You were going crazy. They go, dude, you got to watch video. If there's video of Joe watching your match, you were just exploding. Dude, I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I left there. I couldn't talk to people. I ran when the match was over. I had to get out of there because there's no way I was going to have a heart attack. I left there. I couldn't talk to people. I ran when the match was over. I had to get out of there because I wasn't, there's no way I was going to be able to have

a conversation with like, you know, like people on the street, regular folks that I didn't know. And I didn't want to have that conversation with anybody. I ran out of there. Wow. Dude, my heart was pounding. Yeah. They said you were going nuts.

Were you drunk? No, not at all. Completely sober. Were you one of the guys that cheered when the lockdown came into place? And were you kind of worried in the beginning? Because it was like five minutes of jockeying. I was never worried. He got the underhook.

Even when he had the underhook? No, that didn't mean enough. Because it looked like the same match. It looked like 2003, right? I know too much about your game. I've seen you roll too many times. I felt it, too. I know that lockdown is hot death.

You get a hold of your leg, man. That's scary as shit. I felt it too. I know what that lockdown is. Hot death. You get a hold of your leg, man. That's scary shit. I hate that feeling. Your lockdown is like you're being compressed in between boards. That's what it feels like. It's like you figured out a way to do it and you do it so well. You've done it for so many years that you know the exact correct, perfect angle to hit it where it's like bone is digging into meat your shin bone is digging into meat and you just you do a thing you know i like the analogy that you always use with tying your shoes that when you tie your shoes you tie your shoes every day so when you go to tie your shoes it's just automatic it just goes you it's it's magic yeah you don't even think about it it's just how

you had no command that just happened on its own and when you do jujitsu long enough and you drill long enough and you're in a certain position long enough you develop that too you see it with the only forms of movements that i'm really knowledgeable about or striking movements and grappling movements but you see it in those as well and i guess you see it in everything you see it in throwing a football you see it in baseball you see it in everything When someone gets some shit down and they really got it down, like, you know, like Paul Sass in his triangle. That motherfucker,

you know, if you get caught in that guy's triangle, that dude's been there a thousand times. He's just got a just a feel for it, that extraordinary feel that rarely happens. Like Ronda Rousey's arm bars. Same kind of thing. And your lockdown is just death and i saw

that once i saw the lockdown i was like oh he's in trouble like if he let him get that you were that confident fuck yeah man you know i would people were telling me of things you were saying before that matching your predictions and man that kind of stuff scares him like dude they like you and john jock very conservative you and john joques have so much confidence in me that's like man like the feeling of getting smoked and what you guys would think like damn like I didn't ever want that look in your eye

that like third or fourth time that I did open mic night where I was getting a little confidence and that one time I went on stage and I thought I'd do something different and not tell jokes, but be like a comic talking about his wife

and his girlfriend, but it's not really his wife and it ends up being some stripper and he's delusional and he thinks it's his wife and I try to do that on stage, you know what I mean, like later,

but it wasn't, no one laughed and I got off stage and you were like, come here, follow me. You were like this. You couldn't even look me in the eye, dude. You were like, no, no, no.

You were like, what are we going to do? Come back with me. And you took me to the back, and you fucking lectured me in a good way. You said, dude, you can't do shit like that. You got to be a bad motherfucker to pull something like that. No one gets it, dude. You got to tell jokes. You can't get up there that. You got to be a bad motherfucker to pull something like that. No one gets it, dude. You got to tell jokes. You can't get up there and try to tell a story.

It's an open mic night. He goes, dude, I felt like, like you talk about bombing on stage, eat a thousand dicks. I felt that. What I was trying to do is figure out how I could describe it to you. The reason why I wasn't looking you in the eyes, I was like, come here, man. All I was thinking is what is the best way? Because this is a very sensitive moment, and I knew that it would be devastating. That's what it was.

It's a very sensitive moment, so I'm trying to figure out how to... That look, that look. I don't want that look. I don't want that look of, oh, that's Joe's look of, how can he be nice to tell me something I did was terrible? How can he be nice?

Like, if I went out there, and Hoyler just got me to ankle lock in five seconds, like, right away, just right away. Like, let's say I did something stupid, and I tried to pull guard, and I clowned around a little bit for five seconds, and I pulled guard, and he got me to ankle lock, and I tapped, like, before even yanking,

I just tapped, and it was like early tapage. It was the worst possible case scenario and what would you you would be like the same thing you'd be um i'd be like oh shit what would you say what would you say shit happens bro like what could you say what can you say i don't want that look on your face man you you know why you know why because Because the more shit you talk to your friends and all that about, like, Eddie's going to dominate and, like, Jean-Jacques is making bets with people. He's betting his house and shit.

I'm like, ooh. Like, not only you can handle me and you, like, dude, you fucked up, but, like, all that shit you talked, you're like, damn, I talked a lot of shit and it was on video. That's not going to look good. That's going to sting.

I'm going to eat all those words. Fuck. So that's, I think that's gonna sting I'm gonna eat all those words fuck so that's I think about that shit too you talk like John Jock's telling everyone like like someone from the Gracie family

called him up and they wanted to make a bet and John Jock said you want are you serious how sure I am he's gonna win I'll bet your house you wanna bet your house literally

bet your house he made a real bet and the guy wouldn't take it holy shit that's that's crazy shit man Bet your house, literally? Bet your house. He made a real bet, and the guy wouldn't take it. Holy shit. That's crazy shit, man. When I was a purple belt, I was in the finals of a tournament, and Jean-Jacques was the ref. And my opponent in the final, his coach, like,

Jean-Jacques, you can't ref this match. That's your student. This is ridiculous. And then Jean-Jacques said, okay, you're right. This ref, this match doesn't need a ref. And he sat down next to his other coach and goes, go ahead, start fighting. My boy's going to get your boy in an armbar

and it's going to be his right arm. And everyone heard that. And all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, no. I'm fucked. Talk about pressure. No one's ever done shit like that that is a true story man that's a true story

so what happened he sat down I got the guy an arm bar so you did it because John Jock said it or would you have gone for it anyway he says that it's almost like he says it

he wants me to hear it so that I have no choice to go out there and fucking go to war you know what I mean like I have no choice motherfucker you know what I mean? Like I have no choice, motherfucker. You know what I mean? Like whatever he has to say to make it happen,

because I just put, because like I think he knows that if there's enough pressure, that I'll be forced to do my game. All he wants to do is play my game, right? So he had to play some psychological warfare with me in my camp. It was all about playing my shit.

Because how can I get this motherfucker to do what he does here all the time? Because I haven't competed in a long time. I could have easily folded from the pressure. People get the jitters. 11 years. Yeah. People fold. This is a huge match, man.

10th Planet versus a Gracie right there in our hometowns. And everyone's screaming. It's some crazy shit. a lot of pressure. My family, my mom, I thought my, my son, my wife was there. I'm like, holy shit. My mom's there. My wife's there. It's just like a, this is like, like I'm at the MGM grand at some main event. I'm like, holy shit. That's what it is. So much pressure. The place was packed. My head instructors, all my students, all the shit you talk, Jean-Jacques, all this pressure. So I thought, man, there's a chance. People fold under pressure.

There's a lot of pressure, all different kind of dimensions. And will I be one of those dudes that fold? But what I realized is that I did want to win. I did want to do my best. That's the most important. Just clear out all the bullshit. Do you want to do your best. That's the most important. Just clear out all the bullshit. Do you want to do your best? Yes.

The best thing is to do your shit. Go after him. Trust your cardio. Go after him. And all those little leaks on this dam that was about to burst with all this pressure and all these leaks, I could fix all these leaks. And all I had to do was focus on one thing, just going after him and trusting myself. Okay, cool, cool.

So then, bam, it was all about, dude, you have no him and trusting myself. Okay, cool, cool. So then, bam, it was all about, dude, you have no choice. Go out there and fucking make it happen. You know, you're not folding under this pressure. You're going to do it and you're going to go after him a hundred percent and you're going to do your best. Did you think about doing it high? No, not at all. No. Too much pressure. Too much pressure. Yeah. Yeah you're under pressure, I don't suggest inhalation of cannabis. What about a light edible? No, I didn't even want to take it. I had so much weed in me. The one thing I learned at Jean Jacques is I was never stoned when I went to Jean Jacques

because I wanted to make sure we trained at the same time we were going to compete. I wanted to train right there. It was that same time, like 6.30ish, 7.30ish, 7 in that area. Just get my body going a million percent. Shark tank like a motherfucker. Getting my ass kicked. I never had been tapped so much in my life going through these shark tanks. It's crazy.

It doesn't feel great to constantly get tapped by people and getting fucking wrecked. Trying to last an hour straight with fresh animals black belts waiting to jump on you and start on your back and start in the mount start in bad position i was getting fucked up dude and it's the only way to do it though right yeah yeah um and the swimming that was really a fascinating thing that we talked about yeah the swimming the swimming was important because I'm not a real athlete. I don't ever do cardio. I do jujitsu for the fun of it. And the fact that it keeps you in shape, that's awesome.

Beautiful. Kill two birds with one stone. It's fun. It's awesome. My job is teaching people how to strangle each other and break limbs. Fucking lucky. Embrace that shit. I love it. Competing is different. There were days where I got to see my son

five minutes here, five minutes there, day after day. I'm like, damn, I'm not seeing my son that much. I can't wait to get home just to get home before he goes to sleep just so I can see him for five minutes. Man, my wife's under a lot of pressure. She's handling everything

i'm always training everything's on my schedule everything is priority is me and that's not the way it's always been you know we work together but i told her this two months i go i could lock my way up in big bear and be away from you guys and do it that way that's a good idea if people heard i did that they would think fuck yeah he's doing the right thing but or I could train hard and you let me do whatever the hell I want to do for this match and I don't want to hear any

I don't I have to be able to do without any stress because we have a baby boy and we train off it's a team it's a management I got my time she's got her time you know and we work together but this camp i said i can go to big bear and you have to take care of them 24 7 or i could stay here but you still take care but i get to see him too in between all this

shit so i'm still here with the family as much as i can that my, you know, man, she's just amazing. That's awesome. So it was beautiful. The training camp was beautiful. So I thought, should I do the Marcelo Garcia thing? And he says, I don't do any strength and conditioning. I don't do any conditioning. I just train jujitsu hard every day.

I don't know how many hours. See, that's what Marcelo does, and he gets away with it. He doesn't do anything extra. I just train jujitsu hard every day. I don't know how many hours. That's what Marcelo does and he gets away with it. He doesn't do anything extra. He just does jujitsu. You've heard that from several people. Pedro Hizzo said that. All I do is MMA. That's it. I don't do anything else. I don't do any cardio. Sakuraba never did cardio. But generally, 99% of professional

athletes have a cardio program. They got a system and they got trainers and they got clocks and they got the heart rate. They got the thing on the heart and then the thing on the arm. It's a science and they master their body and look what the body does. Oh, it's better here.

They've mastered that shit. Marcelo doesn't do that. So I thought man, it's way better. It's easier. It's lazier if I just fucking try to just do jiu-jitsu. But I thought about that for the first week of camp, once it was official. But then I thought, you know what, I don't want to go into this match with any fucking doubts. Let me get my cardio on the professional tip.

You know, for once in your life, train like a professional athlete. I was already lifting weights for years, so I was already strong. When I got offered the fight, I was like, hell yeah, I'm stronger than I've ever been. I was already in good shape to teach and stuff, but I never did cardio. So I decided, okay, fuck it. I'm going to do cardio like a professional athlete. What should I do? I don't like to run. So I know you run, you swim, or you bike. I don't like to run so I know you can you run you swim or you bike, you know, that's good enough for 2003 I did the rock climbing treadmill. Remember that shit a 24-hour. Yeah, I remember that shit, right? We did like three minutes and then pop up. I don't remember the time thing. I was just I'm doing rounds Yeah, Jamie had you I think it was like whatever the rounds were in Abu Dhabi. Yeah. Yeah

So I don't really remember too much of what I was thinking back then. Again, I never... I did that for 2005 Abu Dhabi too. I thought, okay, this is fun, treadmill rock climbing. But I got hurt 2005 Abu Dhabi. So this time I thought... Then I started swimming. Remember I was using your pool and I started swimming?

I think that was for the Pahumpina fight. I go, fuck the treadmill rock climbing. Let me try swimming. So I swam a little bit, and then the Katrina hit. That didn't end up happening. So again, I'm not a professional athlete, but I decided, fuck it. I got six weeks. Let me get my cardio together professionally.

Let me go in there. And the one thing, I decided to swim. I went to 24-Hour Fitness. They have a big-ass clock. I didn't even know what I was going to do. I just thought, okay, let me just sprint. Sprint across the pool, see how long it takes. As soon as the clock hits the 12, bam, sprint across again. And then whenever I get there, rest the rest of the minute. Every time the hand hits 12, go.

And I do that 20 times just because we have those 20-minute rounds. I don't know if it was too much or too little. I said, hey, it's symbolic or whatever. So I know sprinting 100% running 20 times is a lot. Sometimes you want to do 10 sprints or you want to do the sand dune, sprint up the sand dune six times or seven times. I've said 20 times, it's 20 minutes. That might not be that much. But what I learned about myself is how long it takes to recover. That was the most important thing. I didn't, that would have fucked me up in this fight. If I didn't do the cardio, I would have fell apart.

I didn't understand how the heart works. I've been training consistently since 2003 at my gym. The way I treated my cardio is I would go as hard as I can. Then once I start gassing, I thought, okay, the rest of this round I'm going to hold on, sit on my ass for maybe five minutes, maybe ten minutes, depending, I'm not training for anything, and then get ass for maybe five minutes, maybe 10 minutes, depending. I'm not training for anything. And then get my second win and then come back. That's what I thought cardio was. It's like you go, once you're out of gas, hey, you're out of gas. You're going

to need some rest. Settle down for a while. You got far. You got seven minutes. You have seven minutes before you gas. That's what I thought. You have seven. I didn't know about recovery and the mastery of recovery and that gas. You can recover from that easy. You just got to know you can. If you don't think you can you won't So by doing those sprints gave you confidence so you could use a hundred percent of your energy Yeah, cuz I like around it, you know, it's are you doing like what kind of just women just swim basic fucking swimming like a lake You know what I mean? Breaststroke like yes, just what is that called one right left arm right arm? What is it? freestyle Okaystroke like this? Or just... What is that called? One left arm, right arm. What is it?

Freestyle. Like this. Okay. Like this. Just like a retard. Okay. I'm not... Bad technique.

You're just trying to exert yourself. I'm just sprinting. I'm panicking across the pool. Okay. So by the time... The first time I get by, the first one, it's not that I get by, I'm like... That was the first one I sprinted. And I'm waiting. So I'm like, I could really just keep going, but I'm just like, this is that I get by. I'm like, I was the first one I sprinted. And I'm waiting. So I mean,

I'm like, I could really just keep going, but I'm just like, this is what I'm doing. So I, you know, after like the third one, I was like, I'm at the edge of the pool. I got this. I got 30 seconds, 35 seconds to recover at the 10th one. Thinking about quitting after every sprint. I'm like, people at the pool, there's old ladies by the sauna. They're like watching this guy, this tattooed guy dying in the pool. And I got 10 more to go. Dying.

But I know that when the clock hits the eight, I'm dying. When it hits the nine, I'm dying. When it hits the 10, still dying. But damn, right before it hits the 11, I'm dying. When it hits the 9, I'm dying. When it hits the 10, still dying. But damn, right before it hits the 11, take a big deep breath, ready to go. Because you have to go at that 12. And the crazy thing about it is you don't need a trainer to tell you to hurry up because you're going across the pool as fast as you can because you want a lot of time to rest and recover. You're racing for that recovery time.

So there's no way I never went 100%. I had to go as fast as I can to get across that pool so I can rest. So you never didn't go 100%. Yes, yes. I didn't need anybody to tell me. I go, dude, I know, motherfucker. I'm trying to rest on that motherfucker.

I'm trying to rest. So it makes me, dude, it kicks my ass. I want to quit at 14. I go, I did a lot. 14's a lot. 14's a lot. It's all good. I could do it. I still gained. I want to quit at 14. I did a lot. 14's a lot. 14's a lot. It's all good. I could do it.

I still gained. I made gains today. I don't have to go 20. I'm like, fuck. I'm at 15. I'm like, I could do five. Five seems like so many. I'm like, fuck.

When I'm at seven or eight and I'm gassing, I'm like, fuck. I got 12 more. And you can't stop. You're on a clock. When that clock hits 12, you got to go. So it's a nightmare. It's torture. No one's forcing me to do it,

but I just fucking do it. And I did it twice a week. And to some, there's some cardio machines out there that laugh at that. They think that's nothing. And there's professional athletes that go,

do we warm up? Well, that's just because you build up from a base. And these guys have been going at it like that for a long time. Yeah. But what ended up happening,

I don't know how a football player would do it or if that's a fucking child's play long time yeah but what it ended up happening uh i don't know how a football player would do it or if that's fucking child's play or whatever but what it did for my jujitsu automatically i knew in the middle of that hour shark tank when i hit that first i knew you just tell yourself dude you could recover find this place to hang out conserve your energy wait 30 seconds it's going to come back and then I'm back. Oh my God. Cool. So at first you're like, oh shit. I would, two weeks ago before I started doing this, I would have said, it's over son. I ran out of gas. I'm going to need to stop. I got, I did good. I got seven minutes, got eight minutes, got 12 minutes. That's not the way it was. So I would keep going for an hour, dude. My muscles would,

our muscles would be more tired than my heart. My heart could keep going. I used to be dead after that, that shark tank in the beginning for an hour. I'd be dead just from the shark tank. Dude, I wasn't even getting that tired after shark tank. That's incredible. There were some, I was, there was times where- Explain what a shark tank is.

People, you've said that term a couple of times. There's, you know, you get as many guys as you want in the Shark Tank it's dedicated to one person obviously dedicated to me on this training camp I'd get in the middle and there'd be you know three to ten guys sitting around black

belts purple belts and they're all waiting their turn to get their five minutes with me like starting on my back starting on the mound all these positions some like in my guard or I'm in their guard just all all these positions, side control on the, on the belly with the underhook on the back, a lot, a lot mount a lot. And man, just fresh guys coming in all my best guys coming in, getting mangled and tapped. And cause I'm trying to conserve my energy. I'm trying to last an hour, but you know, then you're like, dude, you got to trust your cardio.

You can't conserve. You had a bad night. I was having bad nights, good nights, bad nights, a lot of shit. Sean Jacques. The main thing is I didn't want to go in there

and be too cautious and go, it's 20 minutes. I better be, because I would get that way. And Shark Tank sometimes where I'm like, dude, I got Sean Bollinger next. I got Jared Carlson.

I got to save my energy with this dude because I got, I'm looking next. I got Jared Carlson. I got to save my energy with this dude. Cause I got, I'm looking around as I'm rolling at the shark tank going, Oh my God, these guys are coming after me. So I would just be really conservative. And what that would happen, that would, I train these killers, right? They know how to close the fucking deal. So anybody pays cautious to do that's part of the game. You just keep getting deeper and deeper and deeper. And that's what happened. I was just sinking in quicksand with that mentality of trying to conserve and not really attacking. Because the attack is what puts them on defense and stops their forward march. So you have to constantly, even if you don't have a game plan right now, just disrupt them.

So what percentage do you think your game improved because of your cardio bump? A thousand percent. Because now I knew, dude, now I knew that I would have thought that in Abu Dhabi as soon as I started breathing hard that it was over. Done. I did what I can. Now I'm breathing. I didn't know that you can recover over and over. When the swim sprints, you're reminded over and over.

You're dead and you did another sprint. You're dead. You did another sprint. You kept going. You were dead at 10 and you kept going. You kept recovering and you recover quick. And after reminding yourself that you can recover during jujitsu, during those short times, you can recover, relax. You can recover instead of panicking. Because if you panic and think you can't, now you're at a downward spiral with your cardio. That panic will suck up more of that.

It's going to be harder to recover because you're panicking and you think it's over. But once you get to the point where you know you can recover, you stop telling yourself, oh, I can recover. Relax. You just do it. You're huffing and puffing and you're not even worried. There's not even an ounce of panic. You know you're going to come back.

And that is what that performance Saturday night was all about, is knowing that I could recover. That was huge. There were times where I didn't want to see him smell blood and I go, I just need time to recover. I would talk to Jean-Jacques, stop breathing. I'm trying to recover. And I just, Jean-Jacques, how much time? And looking over, trying to act like it's nothing. Meanwhile, I just want him to relax. We're not doing it. Just relax, relax. No need to hush. You know, but those were all mental games but that was only

because I was doing that naturally it was only because I knew I needed a little time to recover I didn't know the professional athlete shit before

this is like nothing new to professional athletes what I'm doing is I'm letting people that aren't professional athletes that have never

done cardio this is what you discover this is why cardio is so important is understanding how your body can recover kendall grove said that to me once after he did the ultimate fighter he said

learn from tito he just said cardio is everything man it's everything he just couldn't stop stressing he's like i'm a different fighter because of cardio yeah if you got the ability to keep going the amount that your cardio diminishes the ability to. Yeah. That and knowing that you can recover and having faith in your body, you never panic. You just keep going. You just know, this ain't nothing. I'm just going to chill here. It's going to come. Oh, there's back.

Now I got power. Boop. Now you can throw a combination. And then you wait for that green light. Boop. Now you can throw a combination. You know who used to do a lot of swimming? Maurice Smith.

Remember Maurice Smith? Yeah. He used to do a lot of swimming. Maurice was a Remember Maurice Smith? Yeah. He used to do a lot of swimming. Maurice was a UFC heavyweight champion. He was a champion kickboxer. He fought in extreme fighting. Remember? He was like one of the first guys to ever win by head kick.

I could barely walk after this. I was done with 20. I got out of the pool, and the main thing is at the very end, you got to walk. You got to keep your body moving. So I would walk around the pool. Why do you have to walk? It's good to walk when you're super tired so your body gets used to moving while it's recovering.

Yeah, why is it bad to just lie down? I've heard it's bad to lie down. Yeah, because then your body gets used to having to have everything shut down to recover. You want to be able to recover and still be on 30%, you know what I mean? Right. It's probably better to recover, jog a little bit, and then cool down, you know what I mean? Right. It's probably better to recover, jog a little bit, and then cool down, you know what I mean? And then get to the point now where you're recovering

and you never stop jogging. That's probably the best I'm just guessing, but for sure when you can barely walk and you're dead in time, to try to walk and to try to keep going, that's the very least you can do. Right. For sure lying down is not the, because Jean-Jacques never let me lie down.

Get up and keep walking. You want to recover? Because when I would get to that point in the beginning, I would walk around. I'm walking around Jean-Jacques. I could barely walk. I was keep walking.

You got to keep the body moving. So it's all basic shit that I'm sure people know, but for the people that have never dove into competing or doing cardio, I'm telling you,

I'm 43 years old and I'm just discovering the magical powers of mastering your body and knowing how fast it can recover. When you have that kind of confidence, that's what that performance is all about, trusting my cardio. And I was able to do... Well, it's about putting in the work. You just put in a tremendous amount of work, two months worth of work. The cardio work along with all the jiu-jitsu shark tanks and all the training and sparring and rolling

constantly. Spent a lot of time with leg lock defense. A lot of time. Wow. There was guys out there. I was getting help from so many guys out there. Max Bishop, catch wrestler out in I think he's

in Alabama or somewhere out there. I know him through Alan Belcher. He's got to have helped him with Paul Harris? A lot of guys helped Alan Belcher with Paul Harris. Alan Belcher's DVD immunity, that helped me a lot. I'm on a defensive mission now. I'm on a mission to structureize and just get all the best defense from everybody.

And most of it is from Jean-Jacques Because Jean-Jacques defensively is probably One of the best ever His defense is legendary And so I'm just One by one every position Figuring out what are the Absolute best defensive things to do Where should your hands be

Where should your legs be And when it comes to defense, it's amazing because it's almost 100 times more complex than offense. There's so much to defense because there's only

a few ways to build a skyscraper, you know, to build it right. There's rules, but there's a million ways to knock that motherfucker down. You know what I mean?

There's so many ways to disrupt it. It's so many different levels. You know, you could? There's so many ways that disrupted it. So many different levels. You know, you could come up with all these different angles. So many missiles and demos

and all that shit. You know what I mean? Right. Same thing with techniques and triangles. The setup, there's so many steps to the setup.

There's so many different places along the way where you could disrupt that, nip it in the bud at different levels and then at the end, the one thing I learned is, all these top guys,

Alan Belcher, Max Bishop, Eric Paulson, Gokhar Chavichian, I was going to work with them, I just never got around with it, but I did work with Karin Darabedian from Hayastan, he came down to a shark tank

and just fucking wrecked my legs, man. Karin Darabedian is a beast, man. It's a bad motherfucker. Oh, yeah. So, Dean Lister, we were texting back and forth. I was like texting people videos and stuff. All my leg lock master friends, you know, like Eric Paulson and Dean Lister and Manny Campurian and all these guys getting their advice.

Everyone has a different way of escaping 50-50. Everyone has a different way of escaping 50-50. Everyone has a different way of addressing a straight ankle lock, heel hooks. There's so many different ways to fuck up perfection, a perfect submission, so many different ways. And it's fascinating that there's way more defense than there is offense and all these different things to learn. And then what

i'm doing is i'm so fascinated with this it's it's just i'm on a quest to make 10th planet just uh known for their defense and it's fun it's like a new thing like wow i'm so obsessed with it man i'm watching defensive videos all the time just trying to come up with the ultimate defense and what it does is not only is it making 10th Planet stronger as an association, but it's making my game stronger. Why wouldn't I want to have amazing defense? I've always been focused on no-gi offense. That's always been the problem in MMA.

That's what I was trying to fix. That's what 10th Planet was all about. What are the problems in MMA? The problems are bottom game. So we're going to be bottom game heavy, we're going to be no-gi heavy, and we're going to have strikes in the mix. That's the problem with jiu-jitsu. The problem isn't that jiu-jitsu guys are tapping in the UFC.

There's all these black belts are tapping. We need to fix the defense. Nobody was tapping these black belts. They just were getting beat on their back. That was the problem. So I'm going, our defense is fine. You keep working on the defense over there, Gracie Baja. We're going to try to fix the problem.

This is an emergency. Jiu-jitsu, we need some urgent care here. We need some scientists on the case and all my students, all my moonheads, my head instructors. They're all my A&R agents and all my scientists. We need to fix this motherfucking problem for jiu-jitsu. Keep working on your passing from standing, which is not a problem in MMA. It's like, man, they can't pass standing. The problem is they're not doing much off their back offensively,

and that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to fix that problem. It's a fascinating thing to watch. Watch you put together this whole system and other other guys inside your system watch them add moves and and you know and and build it all and figure it all out watch it evolve you know it's always been interesting too when i get injured and then come back get injured take a few months off come back and there's oh no we're not even doing that anymore we found a new path like there's all these new paths to come up or a new way to get around

something and this cuts to the chase and this is quicker. Someone once made the analogy of jujitsu to chess and most people like love that analogy, but you rejected it immediately, you know. I said jujitsu makes chess look like checkers. Yeah, it does. Checkers. Yeah, it does. And there's also so many different things involved, too, not just the moves, but also the amount of discipline that you have to have to get your body into a position to play the game.

I mean, you have to. Like what you're talking about, what you did. I mean, there's not a lot of people that have that kind of willpower to force themselves to do those fucking crazy sprints, to force themselves to do the shark tanks, to force themselves to train, and when you can barely walk and you feel like you have a heart attack. Not everybody has that in them, to push themselves that way. So it's not just more complex in its variations and the attacks and the counters and defense,

but it's also much more complex mentally and emotionally. It requires more of you. But I've got to imagine, man, that when you put it all together like what was that feeling like what was it feeling like when it was over look hoyler didn't tap but you dominated that match there's just no doubt about it and even more so in light of what you're saying about how you when the the reversals which is you adjusting and then you getting back to that position again that's how i roll i mean yeah um Yeah. It's just, it's incredible. It's amazing.

What did it feel like? What did it feel like when it was all over? Before Hoist, Gracie got mad at you. Yeah. What did it feel like? He's so mad at me. I don't know why. He thinks you were talking shit about his family and about Hoyler.

Someone lied to him. Someone lied to him because someone went up to Hoyce and told, and I want to find out who the hell this is. Someone told Hoyce that I talk shit on the family. And, you know, maybe he believes it. He shouldn't believe it, but he came up to me. But before that, I got to read you this really quick. Let me, while you're looking for it.

No, I found this. In my first book, Jiu-Jitsu Unleashed, it came out in 2005. This was 2005. Two years after you tabbed toilet. This was how I opened the book with. This is, a very special

thanks goes out to the Gracie family. Though we have different views on the Gi, I do appreciate tremendously what you did for the world of martial arts and my world. Thank you, Helio, for being the warrior and innovator that you are. Who has tougher sons than you?

No one. Thank you, Carlos Singer, for taking in the Machados as sons of your own and introducing them to the fascinating world of Jiu-Jitsu. Thank you, Horion, for producing the UFC. Without you, the MMA industry would not exist and I would still be DJing in clubs. Thank you, Hoist, for having the courage to step up and fight in eight and 16-man tournaments just to prove the effectiveness of jiu-jitsu. You will always be a legend. Thank you,

Hickson, for being the superman of the jiu-jitsu. You will always be a legend. Thank you, Hickson, for being the Superman of the jiu-jitsu world. There is no one I would rather see in the ring than you. And thank you, Hoyler, for being you. Without you and your unbelievable accomplishments in the grappling world, this book would not exist. That was 2005. And after Metamora Saturday night, I was emotional. I was crying. I just went 20 minutes and they're

just it was just uh man i can't tell you it was like i i don't know man it was just glorious and um i got on the mic and i what i just read i just said that again i said the same thing again on the mic i just wanted to let everybody know we all come from the Gracies. We're all Gracies. It's not 10th Planet against the Gracies. We're doing this for jiu-jitsu. The 10th Planet thing is to help jiu-jitsu. They don't want to hear that shit, though, because people don't want to hear that anybody is, you know, their idea is that, no, you know, we don't need your help. Their idea is, look, we're doing this, and you're doing something different, and your stuff sucks.

Fuck you. Yeah, man. So then I get off stage hug my wife hug my mom and I mean that when I say they're saying that like you mean I'm being they're not really saying that no one's really saying that but there's no one wants to hear that you're you know they have pride no one wants to hear that you're like you're trying to fix jiu-jitsu you know yeah yeah that attitude is there was an element to the brazilian jujitsu community that had uh that ignored me let's just say that they just well let's be honest though i mean it's kind of a tricky situation because uh no one has more faith in you than i do no one um no one has more faith in you than I do. No one believes.

You're just a unique dude. You can figure shit out. You have a mind for games and you have a mind for strategy. And you're really ridiculously talented in Jiu-Jitsu. Creativity aside and all the other things aside. But people who didn't know you, they saw this one match. And then after that match, they saw you fight Leo Vieira. Leo Vieira basically dominated you on points.

You hurt your rib really early in the match. Like halfway through. He would have still beat me anyways. But what I was going to say is that it was after this incredible emotional fight, and you beat a legend, and then you lost to another legend you got dominated by another legend so in their mind they didn't take anything into account they didn't take into account what a crazy experience it must have been for some kid to be the first american to ever tap at gracie in a jiu-jitsu competition i mean it was bananas the whole thing was bananas

you were crying i was crying we were freaking out and then all of a sudden boom you got to fight again now you're fighting Leo Vieira. It's like, holy shit. Like, your whole thought process was around fighting Hoyler Gracie. Like, I remember leading up to it, you just kept talking about, dude, Hoyler's in my division. I might fight Hoyler. I might have to fight Hoyler.

I mean, all the time when you're training, Hoyler, Hoyler, that name kept coming up over and over and over and over. So when it did happen and then boom, and you won, much like, you know, when you were throwing up on Saturday night after the event is over, like this is gigantic dump and release. So after all that, I went outside the tent and I have this, the Tough Med, they're my sponsors, they have this film crew following me

for this documentary they're putting together and they're following me. I just needed a place to throw up. I out of the place got on my knees it's just like throwing uh and then henato magno comes from behind and pours water on me jean jocks everyone's following me um i thought it was it was funny because i actually thought um uh anyways i'm throwing up and then I hear this voice behind me that said, it's good you say that about my family. And I wipe the throw up from my mouth. I look behind me, and it's Hoist Gracie.

And when someone says that to you, that could be followed with a hug or a shake. Like, it's good that you said that about my family. Right, right, right. We're good now. Right. Like, what's next? Is it going to be a pound, a hand?

Or it could be something else. Like, because you were always talking shit on my family before. And I'm like, what? I never did. So that's what he said. Yeah. He said it was like the craziest backhanded compliment ever. He said, it's good that you said that about my family.

And I turn around and I'm like, wow, Hoyce Gracie, man. That's Hoyce Gracie. That's like Mike Tyson. This is the first time you're meeting him? First time ever talking to him, I think. But I've seen him in different places and we've been in the same events and stuff. But he goes, it's good that you said that about my family

because you used to talk shit on my family. And I said, I never talked shit on your family. In my first book, I thanked all of you, including you. And I'm like kind of pointing at him. I'm like, Hoyler, Helio. I'm telling them, whatever someone told you about me, they're lying. I've never said it. Only a retard would talk shit about the Gracies.

That's in the jujitsu business. You're in the jujitsu business and you have no respect for the Gracies and what they've done. Just physically. So what did he say then? Don't put your finger at me. And then he got on my face. Like he wanted to kick my ass.

And Jean Jacques had to get between us to like stop him from like getting in my face. Cause he thought now I'm disrespecting him. Cause I'm like kind of pointing at him. You know, he thought I was, um, but look what he said. This is the craziest thing of all.

Look what he said. Let me just quote him. Dude, I don't know what fight he was watching. I, I saw what he said. Let me just quote him. Dude. I don't know what fight he was watching. I saw what he said. I'll paraphrase if you want. No, no, no. It's right here. I got it right here. He said,

I wanted to talk to him for years but never had the chance to meet him, Hoyst told MMA Fighting. I met him after the fight and he was there throwing up. Hoyler dominated him so much. He did so much strength, but he threw up after the fight. Right?

How crazy. I told him that I liked what he said after the fight, but didn't like the fact that he was always talking trash about Hoyler and my family. He stood up and started yelling. So I also raised the tone of my voice and told him I didn't like it. He said he always gave my family credit, but I know it's not true. He said he always gave my family credit, but I know it's not true. He always seems, he always talks trash about my family. Enough with this shit. He said he never talked bad about my family. He always gave trash about my family. Enough with this shit. He said he never talked bad about my family.

He always gave us credit. He kept raising the tone of his voice. I told him to shut up. So Jean-Jacques Machado came in, and we didn't need this, and asked Bravo to leave. Wow. And then he goes,

Gracie said he would not compete against Bravo in a grappling match, but seemed open to an MMA fight. Can we slap each other? Can we beat each other up? Or can we beat each other? Gracie replied to Laugh when asked if he'd accept a fight at Meadow Morris. I'm a valetudo fighter. I'm not to score points of fight with time limit.

Let's fight with no time limit and with punches allowed. I'm a valetudo fighter. I don't compete in grappling tournaments. He's only competed grappling-wise. See that one Waleed Ismail fight, right? Yeah, when Waleed strangled him. Yeah, Waleed put him to sleep. That was after the UFC.

Yeah. So, I mean, after all that stuff I read you that was in my book, and then you hear, like, someone's lying to him. Someone's lying to him, most likely. Yeah. I mean, you know, people talk shit and people want to be friends with him, so they someone's lying to him most likely yeah i mean you know people talk shit and people want to be friends with him so they probably talk shit to him he's never talked to you before so he's never heard you say it you definitely haven't said it in in print anywhere he definitely never said it in a video because i know you haven't said it you were always remarkably

composed about that you know you were always remarkably composed. The worst you ever did was ask to do it again. That was a few years back, you asked to do it again. But you were never disrespectful about it. Yeah, I thought most people in the late 90s, most small jiu-jitsu players in the late 90s, their dream was to go against Hoyler. He was the best. Hoyler, that was the panicle.

Imagine, not only is he the best, but he's the son of Helio Gracie. That's like the prince. You know, at 145, damn, that was the one. That was the 145 Hickson. So I got lucky enough to go against him once. And man, I have a reason to do it twice. Whether it's like to prove that it wasn't a fluke

or that it was a fluke. Whatever. Oh, it was lucky. Whatever you want to say. But I thought, damn, I can make this happen. I have a reason to make it happen.

Do you want to keep doing this? Do you want to keep competing now? I, if the money's right, but that's one thing I don't even want to get into. Like, the last thing I want to do

is stress about my next opponent or a trilogy with them which I'm not I'll be open to it I just don't want to talk and call people out and what are you gonna do with this and what I do with that I want no stress right now that's what I want I want to spend time with my family spend time with my students have fun fun, enjoy my life right now. As soon as there's another opponent looming, now I got to study, I'm thinking about,

I don't want to think about anything. I just want to have fun. I think Matt Amores has real potential, man. I really do. I think there's something they could do. I think there's something they can do if they keep putting on these matchups like this. When people saw that match between you guys Saturday night,

that was exciting as fuck. That was really, really exciting. Yeah. And if they have more matches like that, more really good high-level exciting matches, you get to see real good technical jiu-jitsu, I think people start to really enjoy it. And the other thing about jiu-jitsu as opposed to MMA

is if it's especially no gi, enjoy it. And the other thing about jiu-jitsu as opposed to MMA is if it's especially no-gi, I see no reason why that can't eventually be on television. When I look at, like, watch a Marcelo Garcia match or watch when Jacare was fighting in Abu Dhabi or any of the

really high-level guys that compete in Abu Dhabi, they're fucking murderers. Vinny Magalhaes. These guys are exciting to watch, man. They're fucking murderers. Vinny Magalese. These guys are exciting to watch, man. They pull off wild techniques. Chrome Gracie. Pulls off, you know, I mean, it's fun to watch

them strangle people. Especially submission only. Fuck yeah. You know Master Vic, Vic Davila, the Spanish Joe Rogan. I love that dude. Me and him are,

actually, our first show is June 1st. You're going to put on a grappling show? It's going to be on Spanish TV. It's done. Oh, shit. It's called put on a grappling show? It's going to be on Spanish TV. It's done. Oh, shit. It's called Eddie Bravo Invitational,

and it's going to be two 16-man submission-only tournaments, 145 same-day weigh-in, 170 same-day weigh-in, and since it's for Spanish television, we're going to focus on white people, too, and black people, but the spotlight's going to be

on the Latin fighters, and the two Latin fighters, the one that's already in is Gio Martinez. He's one of my black belts. Amazing. He's a break dancer who's just killing people.

Yeah, he's awesome. He's going to do the 145. He's going to be the feature star, and he speaks Spanish and all that, and his brother, Richie Boogeyman Martinez, who's a brown belt.

Also awesome. Awesome. He's a brown belt. Great guy. Awesome. He's a brown belt. Great guy. He's doing MMA. He's ferocious. Talk about Spartan. Both those guys are true Spartans.

They're on a quest. They both have crazy dexterity, too. Yes. They're super flexible, great dancers, amazing at jiu-jitsu, and they're tearing it up right now. And he's going to be the feature at the 170. It's going to be at the Florentine Gardens Sunday, June 1st. Where's the Florentine Gardens?

It's in Hollywood. It's in Hollywood. Yeah, yeah. Sunday, June 1st? Sunday, June 1st in Hollywood. We're taping it for TV. So it's, but we're going to, you know,

obviously we want to pack the place too. And afterwards, as soon as we finish taping those two 60-man brackets, we're going to have 10th Planet Anniversary Party there too. It's a giant soon as we finish taping those two 60-man brackets, we're going to have 10th Planet anniversary party there too. It's a giant club. It's awesome. It's a big venue. So I'm home.

And we have now it'd be awesome. And we have schools competing against each other. We got Cobrina's best guy. They say they're going to give us their best guy. They haven't confirmed anybody yet, but they've all agreed that they're going to give us their best guy. They haven't confirmed anybody yet, but they've all agreed that they're going to send their best guy.

Fabrizio Verdum's school, his best guy. Javi Vasquez, his best guy. Cobrina, the Mendes brothers. We want the best guys. Submission only, 16-man tournament with overtime rounds. Now let me ask you this. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. What happens in a situation like these?

Everyone's going for submission only, but there's no submission, so it's a draw. And fights that just clearly aren't draws. Yeah. Like, what do you do? You can do two things. You can, and Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds, if you're in a 16-man bracket, you're both disqualified. So the brackets end up being different. After every qualifier or the first bracket, you see who makes it.

There's going to be some guys that both got eliminated. So you have to restructure it. It's a different, but you can do it, and it works great. So if you get to a draw, both guys are eliminated? Both guys. If it's the finals, it's no time limit. Oh, my God. Yeah.

So Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds, those are the most hard. That's the hardest tournament to win. The hardest tournament. All those. What a great idea. Yeah, it's all about submission. But EBI, which is what we're calling Andy Bravo Invitation, we're going to have EBI women, EBI kids EBI

Grand Prix so who organized who organized the Gracie Nationals is that Rose? Rose Gracie yeah and Gracie Worlds

so Gracie figured that out that's a brilliant way of handling it those are the best tournaments and this year Gracie Worlds is going to be in Las Vegas

at the Cox Pavilion it's blowing up dude submission only it's taking over. Oh, shit. When is it? When is it? When is it?

Gracie Worlds. Ooh, it's like a September 21st or something. Damn it. Go to gracietournaments.com. Gracietournaments.com. It's sometime in December. I think it's the 20th

and the 21st of December. I'm pretty sure, or September, I'm sorry, of September in Vegas, Gracie World, submission-only worlds, dude, submission-only worlds, you know? So we're doing the same thing, though, but we're not doing it.

It's an invitational. We're going to pick 16 guys, and 16 guys on one side, 16 guys on the other side. Also, the other 10th Planet representative at 170 is going to be Nathan Orchard, who's one of my assassins. He's a white guy, but we're accepting white guys, too.

He's going to be at 172. So we're taking advantage of Victor's connections in the Spanish TV market, which are with Jorge's producing this as well. Oh, beautiful. Jorge's involved. I love Jorge. Yeah, man. So we're doing it, man. That's involved. I love Jorge. Yeah, man. So we're just, we're doing it, man. That's awesome.

At first we wanted to do it and do this and give $100,000 to the winner just to ensure if there's a $100,000 prize and those guys, what do we got to do

to make sure these matches are as exciting as possible? You got to make some serious cash incentives. So that's what we wanted to do. We wanted the first one. We were planning on doing this.

We had some investors. We had a few of them. It's very hard we wanted to do. We wanted to do the first one. We were planning on doing this. We had some investors. We had a few of them. It's very hard for people to invest on a first show. So we decided to do the first one, no money. We're just going to do it for TV and just to get it going. And then hopefully we attract sponsors. But ultimately, it's for TV, to make it work for TV, to ensure that guys don't stall, that there's no reason to stall.

You have to have incentives, all these different incentives that there's no reason for you to slow down. Slowing down is not helping you financially. The training is going to be different for these kind of tournaments. Instead of training for just get really heavy on the passing and the sweep and points tournaments, all you do is train sweeps and passes. That's it. Submissions, that's extra. You're wasting your time.

Just you want to win a tournament? Spend all your time sweeping and passing. That's how you win tournaments. Because you want points. Yeah, because that's how you win. But if it's submission-only tournament, you still work on your sweep and passing, but you've got to be heavy on the submission setups because that's how you're going to close the deal. That's how you're going to make your money.

So that's how you're going to close the deal. That's how you're going to make your money. So that's the plan. June 1st, contact Master Vic at eddiebravoinvitational.com if you think you're a badass. We want the best possible competitors, the best.

We'll pump it up before you actually hold the event when it's about to happen. Cool. Have you in here again. What was I going to ask? So this is what I'm going to ask. When you come off something like metamorris huge success, right?

I mean everybody was talking about all over the mixed martial arts world jiu-jitsu world the I mean it really made a big splash Why not do another event on the internet? Why not do your own event on the internet exactly? Why fuck around with a television show exactly, you know, cuz Metamorris, for pay-per-view numbers, everyone knows what good pay-per-view numbers are for the UFC and what bad numbers. And the official numbers come out and go, oh, shit, UFC 3 had 500 pay-per-views or whatever. And 500,000.

For jiu-jitsu, pay-per-view isn't huge. Jiu-jitsu is like underground. So if you get like 5,000 pay-per-views on internet, that's pretty good. So the biggest show Metamorris did was 9,000 pay-per-views. And that was pretty, I think it was the first one where Hadja Gracie fought Boucher. This one with all the promotion you did and the hype and all this shit,

I'm thinking if they did 9K before there are at least 20, it could be even crazier than that. This one could be 50. I don't know, but you think about at least 20 right when do they know i don't know do they tell you no i don't know i don't know do people i don't know if they tell you i don't know how it gets out well my thought on it was that if i like an rfa which puts on some great fights you know rfa um you know there's always some good matchups. You never hear about it. An event goes by and you have to search the underground

to find results. It's not on the front page. But if you go to MixedMartialArts.com, boom, MixedMartialArts.com, you hit news. The very first picture is Bravo dominates Gracie and Metamorris 3.

And it's your picture doing this. That never happens in a grappling match. A grappling-only match is the number one thing on MixedMartialArts.com. That's crazy. That's crazy. Ariel Helwani had me on, and he's all about MMA. He doesn't even like jiu-jitsu. And he said, I don't even like watching jiu-jitsu.

I don't like it. But he said he was thoroughly entertained enough to want me on a show, so I just did his earlier. Why doesn't he like jiu-jitsu? Some guys just like MMA. Well, he doesn't train. If a good pay-per-view number for jiu-jitsu is 9,000, but for the UFC that would be disastrous, there's a large percentage of the UFC fan base that is not into jiu-jitsu. It would be interesting if it got to a point where guys would not have to do MMA to make

real money. There's a lot of guys, like Jake Shields is a perfect example, has an amazing record in MMA. But a lot of people don't know, Jake Shields, fucking tremendous grappler. I mean, a tremendous grappler. There's a video, and this is obviously early in john fitch's career you know john fitch is much better now but there's a video of jake shields uh competing in a tournament a jiu-jitsu tournament with john fitch and he fucking sweeps him takes his back chokes him

and you're like wow like the way he does it hits the butterfly sweeps him it's like fucking jake shields jiu-jitsu is solid as fuck, man. I would love to see a guy like that. Like here it is right here. I mean he doesn't even necessarily have to compete in MMA because the thing about Jake Shields, like Jake Shields is, I mean, he's only lost three times in the past fucking ten years. One of them was a knockout to Ellenberger right after his dad died.

The other one's a loss to GSP. And then the most recent one, he got dominated by Hector Lombard. And you see him compete with a guy like Hector Lombard, especially in MMA. And you're like, my God, unless he catches that guy in a submission, look at that beautiful sweep.

He was working the guillotine and he hit that butterfly sweep. But unless he catches a guy in a submission, look at that beautiful sweep. He was working the guillotine, and he hit that butterfly sweep, but unless he catches a guy in a submission, unless he can get a hold of a guy, he's going to have a real hard time beating a guy like Hector Lombard. Like, Lombard moves so fucking fast, man. Yeah, the way to make it work for TV,

for all those millions and millions of UFC fans that are bored by jiu-jitsu, obviously that's why there's such a big difference in numbers, those millions and millions of UFC fans that don't, that are bored by jujitsu. They're there. Obviously that's why there's such a big difference in numbers. You got to get those fans. You got to make jujitsu entertaining enough for them. They like the UFC. They will like a submission,

a submission only jujitsu. No gi. You can't have the gi. The, the UFC fan base is not, even though it's beautiful, uh, all the Burr and Bolo stuff and Tug of War on the pants, when they're playing Tug of War on the pants, that's a beautiful, complex, sophisticated, amazing technique. But it's not good for TV. Right.

For TV, it's just not good, man. As a TV producer, they'd go, no. Well, John Jock even said it. He's like, hey, man, I love jujitsu, and this shit puts me to sleep. It's hard to watch sometimes. Yeah, if it's going to be for TV, if someone said, we're going to give you one season, and a TV producer or a network head that doesn't give a shit about tradition, about jujitsu, they just want fucking ratings.

doesn't give a shit about tradition, about jiu-jitsu. They just want fucking ratings. For sure, I would say we're not going to have anything that can be described by using the word hold. If there's any kind of hold in anything, we don't want any of the grabbing and yanking. Got to get rid of the gi. It can't be a point system. Because think about this.

There's still a small percentage of people out there that prefer points over submission only, which is crazy. Now, you have two matches, right? You have two matches. Both matches have a million dollar purse for the winner. Whoever wins gets a million dollars. One is a points match.

One is a submission only match. Both of those matches, there's a minute left. In the points match, the guy on top, he just passed the guard. He's up three those matches, there's a minute left. In the points match, the guy on top, he just passed the guard. He's up three nothing and there's a minute left. If you were his coach,

the guy on top, there's a million dollars on the line. Would you tell him to go for a submission or would you tell him to hold? Tell him to hold. Fuck yeah.

I'd be screaming, hold motherfucker. Especially if you were the coach and you got 15% of that shit. You already spent that shit. You already promised your wife a new fucking Toyota. That was your shit. You would say, oh, no, no, there's a

million dollars at the line. Oh, don't do a submission. It would be the last thing on your mind, on his mind. But if it's a submission-only match, that end of the match would look way different. They would both be going nuts for that million dollars. it would look better for TV they'd be more exciting yeah it would be ultimately better for jiu-jitsu yes so submission

only is better for jiu-jitsu it's better for TV you gotta you can't have tug-of-war the pants it's a beautiful thing but it's gonna be a niche thing it's always gonna be underground that will never be mainstream that what about a standard outfit like you think that you know i know you like gi pants but what it would have out of it was only tights only i think you should do what abu dhabi does adcc they figured it out you let them wear whatever they want they could wear a gi if they want but when you're allowed to wear whatever you want if you could love the gi all you want and worship the gi but you're not going to wear it if you're allowed to wear whatever you want, if you could love the gi all you want and worship the gi, but you're not going to wear it. If you're allowed to, you're not going to give your opponent something to grab onto. In pride, they would have allowed anybody to wear a gi.

But none of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts wore their gi. None of them. They were allowed to. They didn't want anybody to grab them. So what you do is you let them wear whatever they want. Some people like wearing tight booty shorts. Some people like wearing board shorts. Some people like wearing tight spandex shorts to go to the knees.

Some guys like short rash guards. Some guys like long rash guards. Some guys compete in Abu Dhabi, and they don't wear any rash guards. Well, here's the deal, though, about Abu Dhabi. If Abu Dhabi, if you're allowed to wear a gi, are you allowed to grab the gi? Apparently, no chance. But you can't grab pants. Like if a guy's wearing shorts, you can't grab pants like if a guy's wearing shorts you can't grab shorts no you can't wear shorts but it's a weird thing man because if i wore gi pants

and he was allowed to grab them but uh whatever you know it's all good i like all that controversy at the end i like that the the geek that making me wear the geek uh backfired on them but it also saved them because it really like all those chairs, that was all those gi pants, man. That gi pants, they were huge. He never got close of getting out of my lockdown. He never even almost went to quarter guard. That shit was locked in. And the pants were a big deal.

A big part of it. That's interesting. It's interesting to think, how much different would the game be if you had to wear tights? Yeah, tights, it would still be hard for him to pull out his leg. And even if I just wore board shorts and knee sleeves, that would be good enough. Which is what you did in the first fight. Yeah, the ankle sleeves are huge too. You put pants, ankle sleeves.

Or if you don't wear pants, you could just wear knee sleeves. That's what I did in the first one. That's why I had the knee sleeves. if you don't wear pants, you can just wear knee sleeves. That's what I did in the first one. That's why I had the knee sleeves. Just, you don't want, I mean, somewhere, I think in everyone's mind, they think that

it's not real grappling if it ain't all greasy. It's gotta be greasy to be real. And why are you trying to stop all the grease? You're supposed to swap sweat with your opponent. You know, it's like if you wear pants,

like, oh, you're cheating. Don't you want to be all slippery with another man? It doesn't make any sense. But I mean, don't the pants, you said the pants aid you in a big way. But he could grab them too. He had an advantage that he can grab them and it saved his ass at the end.

And I had an advantage where with my personal game my lockdown game it helps it i wonder if listening to all this if they did decide to do a third one if he would say you got to wear shorts dude if i did a third one dude the first rule is i get to wear whatever the fuck i want to wear that's going to be rule number one i get to wear whatever the fuck I want to wear. So that's the first clause. It seems like promoted correctly, there's obviously a market for this now. And like I said, I committed to helping. I definitely want to help. I think that something like this is something that I get behind.

Yeah, and you know what I'm trying to do, dude? I'm not trying to make money with EBI. I'm trying to create the best shit. Just like you're trying to create with Onnit. You're trying to do the best shit. There's not like, ooh, there's a lot of money right here if I create a jiu-jitsu show. I'm trying to create the best jiu-jitsu show. So I want everyone in the jiu-jitsu community to help pitch in and help me out.

Help us out. Help out Metamorris. I'm starting EBI, but I still love Metamorris. And even though I'm 100%, I'm not going to be in M4, I still want to go. You say 100%? Well, when is M4? I don't know, but that ain't happening.

It's not happening? It's not happening. Taking some time off? I'm for sure going to take time off. I don't even want to entertain. But you think you're gonna do your own shit from here on out

I mean if you got 20k we saw we saw what could happen with M3 Metamorris 3 we saw the potential would you say 20 if they said 20k

pay per view that's that's a lot I mean we're just guessing I have no idea what it would be that's a lot of money that seems like a lot of, though. I have no idea what it would be. That's a lot of money. That seems like a lot of people to buy jiu-jitsu.

I don't know, though. I'll ask. I don't want to really think about it too much, but when I do decide to sit down and talk numbers, I mean, I want to do what's best for the security of my family. If I'm going to get back into training camp, of my family. That's,

if I'm going to get back into training camp, I'm going, you know, and start seeing my son less and my wife less and the stress comes back and I'm training all day and going through all that

and swimming and hating the swimming and the torture. If I'm going to go through that, I want what's coming to me. That's it. I just want what's there. Right.

I don't want to be a dick about it, but I'm not going to get taken advantage of, so. Right right I hear what you're saying. Yeah, man knows his value Yeah But I just want to enjoy life now and the thing that feels the best about this is like Everybody who's gotten into arguments with people about the legitimate Everybody who's gotten into arguments with people about the legitimacy of the system and the style, the 10th Planet style, all the arguments that everyone's got into with people and the haters and all that stuff. I think about how vindicated they feel and how I gave them a little boom.

I could help them personally in their argument. Now when they argue with those same guys, you're like, uh, like the little, uh, I gave him, like I put in a little, uh, that feels really, really good. That feels really, really good. Helped him with a little, a little dig. Yeah, man. I, you know, the argument, you know, and, and again, all I ever try to do is make jujitsu better. Again, all I ever try to do is make jiu-jitsu better. And the people that are resisting me and there's so many people on the Internet who are on a quest to, who are jiu-jitsu freaks, who are on a quest to shut me down.

And they hope the rubber guard fails and the system fails and it's a fraud. And they're on a mission and they're generally on um there's i have on the automa forum i do frequent the automa forum it's the gi forum probably the biggest gi forum uh in the world on uh mixedmartialarts.com if you go on the automa forum and i would say 75 of the people on there they are generally not fans of mine so i'm like in there like swimming with the sharks all the time man i'll respond to shit and i read their shit and and there's guys that just can't wait for something to happen bad attempt planet and jump on it they just that's always the case that's always the case there's always going to be haters out there that shit

is such a waste of energy but the crazy thing is i know all these guys and their fake screen names and who knows what they look like and i know who they thing is I know all these guys and their fake screen names and who knows what they look like and I know who they are. It's like the same guys. When I, after the fight, I went to my hotel,

took a shower and I'm just like sitting there for like five minutes and I looked on the underground and I couldn't believe the headline. It was like a one-two,

a one-two punch, man. It was, killed me. First I looked at the headline and it said, Bravo dominates Gracie and Metamorris. I'm like, what the fuck? And it's like the ultimate review ever front page of my, that's, that's, that's like my home base, man. The underground Keurig. I fucking love Keurig,

man. And Chris, man, uh, it was crazy. And then I immediately, I didn't even read, I didn't even get on the underground. I went to the Atoma Forum and I wanted to see what they said. And man, Brett Nuttell, check your oil, that's his screen name.

He's always on there. He keeps the peace. He's like the go-between because he also trains at Gracie Baja. He's like the peacemaker. Because he won't let anybody trash Town Planet because he also trains at Gracie Baja. He's like the peacemaker, you know, because he won't let anybody trash 10 Planet because he's one of my black belts, but he's also training in the Gi too.

He wants to get his Gi black belt, so he's the enforcer there. So he starts a thread, fluke my ass. I said, fluke my ass. That was the thread. So I got on. Dude, and all them dudes that fucking couldn't stand me. Usually when something good happens to 10th Planet,

they just stay off the thread and they're silent. And they don't even want to bump the thread up. They just want to let it go. Just let it go, let it go, let that video go. Nice little highlight reel of us dominating like the Gracie Nationals. They let that go. No response.

Let it go, let it go, let it go. Because they know if they hate, it's going to backfire because now more people are going to say it. But this one, they all responded. They gave it up. And it go, let it go. Because they know if they hate, it's going to backfire because now more people are going to say it. But this one, they all responded. They gave it up. And it was so crazy. I'm sitting there all fucking beat, looking at fucking tears rolling down my fucking face

from that shit. That is the best compliment ever when guys that were on a mission, when guys that were on a mission every day to follow me around and fucking just shank me on the side. And to have those guys admit they were wrong. Man. I don't know, man. There was the combination, that front page.

And then it was incredible. Most people don't want to be haters. And they become haters and then it sort of gets away from them. They almost can't help it help it just gets out of control Joey Joey Diaz call. Yeah, but you got 18 see bitch. I'm gonna work in here. Yeah AT&T doesn't work in here. Yeah But call him call it called Joe wrote Joey really quick. I think he knows I'm on the podcast

He probably wants to say something. He's probably high as fuck right now Joe Rogan, what is he going to say? Predict what he would say. Eddie Bravo, I told you. I told you, cocksucker. Electric chair all day. Let's see. You have reached the voicemail.

Something might have happened. Might have got pulled into a meeting. Joey Diaz is blowing the fuck up He's selling out everywhere He's constantly getting brought in for meetings And fucking People want him to do movies And it's just

It's incredible It's incredible You have reached the voicemail box, huh? Dude Yeah, he's Okay Might have went over the 405 or something This is it

I have to ask you this Did the Did the Indian come out the after party? No. No. I didn't feel it. Really?

I was like, no. Probably so tired, right? Yeah. No, I just didn't feel it. Joey! Oh, it's ringing. Check this out. You think it's going to work?

Yeah. Watch. I'm not sure if he's going to answer. There he is. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster. You're on the radio. Tell him you're live.

You're live on the podcast. I'm telling you right now, dog. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster. It must be beautiful to be Eddie Bravo. 2014. Even Fogo to Charles flags at is at half-mast. They exposed the fucking doors over there, Fogo the Child. That's how strong you are.

It closed the doors. Flags at half-mast. It's over. That's all I got to say. I love you, Cuckstuff. I love you, man. We love you too, man. Thank you.

Thank you. Dude, he came in and just I love you, man. We love you too, man. Thank you. Thank you. Dude, he came in and just dropped a bomb right there. He's the greatest. Joey Diaz is the greatest. So what's next on the music front? I mean, this is a hilarious thing. You know, you're a jujitsu master, but your music is just as important to you as your jujitsu. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, and I believe just as good. What's going on with the music? What are you doing these days? Dude, we just redid Dropped, me and Danny Loner, X9 and Snails, X Perfect Circle. We redid Dropped, dude. I think it's the best work I've ever done.

Let's play it. Can we play it? Yeah, just go to soundcloud.com slash eddie dash bravo. Dude, you're going to trip out what we did to this, dude. Okay, well, let's end it with that. We'll end it with that. Listen, 10thplanetjiujitsu.com, ladies and gentlemen. That's what it is, 10thplanetjj.

10thplanetjj.com. I got all that shit. What is headquarters going to be like tonight? Dude, I don't know, man. Oh, my God. I wish I was training again. Everything I did in that match, that's old school shit that I always do.

It's all on Mastering the System. It's all on my website. It's only five bucks. Right now you could learn it all. Are they filming when you come to class tonight? I don't know. You better get them to film when you come to class tonight.

Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? This is the class after that. That place is going to be mobbed, bro. That's going to be fucking bananas.

I might even come down, man. I'm still sore as fuck, though. I'm getting another Regenikine on my back next week. My neck is 100% now. What is that, Ricky Rocket? Hold on, hold on. Make sure he knows he's live. Hey, Ricky, you're live on Joe Rogan's podcast, so don't say any crazy shit.

Okay. One thing I do want to say is the reason I called is I was training this morning over at the Knott's, and I heard about all this stuff with boys, and I just don't understand. I'm so upset about it. I saw you being nothing but a freaking class act the other night. Thank you, man. Someone must have lied to him. That's all.

Someone's been lying to him, and we need to get to the bottom of that. Man, I've never heard you say anything but cool stuff about voice. Me and you used to talk about him back in the day, about how amazing it was that he came to the United States and did what he did, Yeah, man. Yeah, those are facts. Someone lied to him. The only thing that makes sense. Someone had to lie to him.

But if I would have been there to stay i had to get home to my kids but if i would have been there man god you know anything i could do on my end i have no idea what my influence would do probably nothing but if it is just you just ask me i'll do it you know thank you man how about playing drums on one of my tracks how about that is that cool yeah okay but beautiful but but no stop with the twirling of the sticks please can you can you play one song can you play one of my songs without twirling any goddamn sticks i don't know hey but you know what r Ricky? Ricky, I swear to God, man. One of my good friends is Danny Loner from Nine Inch Nails. He knows. I mean, he's deep, deep, deep, deep.

And I don't know how many times I've always stuck up for Ricky Rock. And I go, dude, that mother, the shit you do as a showman with the twirling of the sticks and all that shit, that's amazing, man. I can't do any of that shit. That's talent. Some people think, oh, it's just, it's all tricks and smokes and mirrors, you know, but I really, really respect your showmanship and your drumming. I think it's fucking amazing, man,

like Cirque du Soleil drumming. So I always had your back. I always had your back. You know that. It's how I keep time. Thank you, Ricky. Take it easy, Ricky. No problem at all.

I had no idea you were on. Tell Joe Hay, by the way. Okay, he's hearing you. He hears everything you say. I hear you. You just can't hear me. Hey, Joe. It was nice seeing you the other night.

Great seeing you, too, man. Yeah. You look like you could kick some ass yourself. That's what he was asking me. He was like, dude, how good is Joe Rogan?

He looks like a fucking destroyer. I bet he can destroy people. Mike, have you seen him kick the fucking bag on video? Doesn't it have

like 10 million views or something? I don't think it even has a million. Take care, Ricky. Dude, if he's kicking ass in person, he can also kick ass verbally, too. I mean, he's got verbal jiu-jitsu.

That's true, man. We're going to let you go, Ricky. We got to go. Take care, man. Thank you, man. Bye. This is a beautiful podcast. And this is Ricky Rocket, by the way.

He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu as well. He's a bad motherfucker. Ricky Rocket from Poison is a legit, legit black belt. And he was doing C-Lot and all that shit too. The Danny and Asano system. He's a legit martial artist. His whole life.

His whole life. Always has been. And a great guy. Super cool. And he's competed as a black belt. He did the Worlds or Pan Ams,

the big IBJJF tournament as a black belt. He competed. He's legit. He's totally legit. And like I said, a great guy. Just a cool guy.

Let's just wrap it up with our sponsors and play that song and get the fuck out of here. This was a beautiful podcast. Beautiful, man. This podcast was the most people ever on speakerphone.

Ever. I don't think we've ever had that many. Three different people on speakerphone? That's craziness. That's crazy, man. But it was beautiful.

Congratulations, brother. It was an honor to be there. Dude. It's crazy, man. But it was beautiful. Congratulations, brother. It was an honor to be there. Dude. I got choked up. When people were telling me how nuts you were going, that gave me the chills. I go, dude, Joe was losing his mind. And I was just like, fuck, man. Just knowing that.

You know how Brian Callen can't shut the fuck up? He can never shut the fuck up. By the time we got to Fogo de Chão, I still wasn't breathing right. Wow. Like, my hands were shaking. My heart was beating. And Brian's just, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I said this, and then this, and I was like, I fuck guys. You know, he's, like, doing all this shit, and I'm like, bro, I don't even know what you just said. For the last half an hour, I haven't listened to a fucking word.

Because he was, you know, Brian Callen, when, you know how, like, we've talked about this before. It's like, when you're not thinking about nothing, your background defaults to jiu-jitsu. You start thinking about jiu-jitsu. When you're sitting around, you start going over moves. You know, you've got 10 minutes before you have to be somewhere, and you're just sitting there, and there's nothing going on. You start thinking, man, I've got to figure out a better counter to start going over that. That's default. For Brian Callen, when you stop talking, he defaults to gay jokes.

He defaults to him talking about fucking guys. You know, I told him, look, I fuck guys. And he's like, dude, it's okay. And I remember looking over in the middle of him doing his shtick, and I was like, dude, I don't know what the fuck you just said. I literally haven't even heard you. All I've been doing is trying to catch my breath. I almost had a heart attack, dude.

I wrote that on Instagram, and it sounds like something somebody would say, but goddamn, my heart was pounding. It was crazy. attack, dude. I wrote that on Instagram and it sounds like something somebody would say but god damn, my heart was pounding. It was crazy. I just wanted you to catch him, man. Dude. When you went to the truck, when you rolled that left shoulder roll, the twister roll, which is my favorite

move in all of Jiu-Jitsu. But it was from half guard. It was inverted. But that left roll that you do, that left roll, when I knew you were going there, I was hoping you were going to hit the twister. I was hoping you were going to adjust and go for the twister. Yeah. Most people didn't know what the fuck was going on. Like Jeff Glover in the commentary was like, I like to think of myself as a guy who's well-versed in jiu-jitsu, and I don't even know what's going on here.

It was crazy, man. That's why it's so hard to defend. Hinato Magno was uh telling you don't know any game you just know i know any game you're gonna get tapped you don't know eddie's game you're gonna get tapped it's funny but hoyler to his credit would not tap he's a bad motherfucker you got to give him that man that guy's got heart because i know there's a photo of us online the high time shoot where you got me in the vaporizer just that picture like that's a real agony look on my face.

I'm like, ah! And you're not even pulling on it. Yeah. I couldn't imagine the way you were yanking it with two hands and Hoyler just let it go. He just let it get all chewed up. I'd never gone that deep with a vaporizer ever. People tap right the fuck away. That's the worst one.

He's a bad motherfucker. He hung in there, man. It's Hoyla Gracie. You didn't get to be Hoyla Gracie from Tapping Easy. Absolutely, man. All right, man. Thanks to naturebox.com. Go to naturebox.com and naturebox.com slash Rogan and get 50% off your first box.

Thanks also to Squarespace. Go to squarespace.com, enter the code word Joe. There's the picture. And get 10%. Yeah, that is fucking beautiful. That's it right there. That's not me clowning around. That look on my face there is like, that's real agony.

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Or, you know, holler at Eddie on Twitter. You can get Eddie Bravo, at Eddie Bravo on Twitter, and you'll find out if he's coming to your town for seminars. He does a lot of seminars. He travels constantly. You didn't travel at all for this two-month camp, right? The last month and a half. If you want any information on my homeschool, 10th Planet Headquarters,

which is downtown L.A., email me at eddie at 10thplanetjj.com. I'll give you the schedule and prices, and I'll let you know how we do shit. We've got a warm-up curriculum that's intense, man. So there's a lot to understand before you have to come to class. Now it's different. It's a different day. And prepare yourself for dick pics, Eddie Bravo. You just gave out your fucking email address on the internet.

How dare you? That's all good. Black cocks, an ocean of them are coming your way. Goddamn tidal wave. Oh, why'd you put that out there? Why did I put it out there? It's out there. And the song that we're going to close with is available for free download.

You could at soundcloud.com slash Eddie dash Bravo. Glorious. Me, as far as me, I uh three dates upcoming uh miami which is this thursday i'm at the jackie gleason theater at the fillmore with tony hinchcliffe looking forward to that and then uh 4 18 uh i'm in orlando with joey motherfucking diaz and then uh 4 25 april 25th i'm I'm in Baltimore again with Joey Diaz. We're going to have some fucking fun. Oh, April 12th, I'm at 10th Planet Beaumont, Texas

with Brian Debs. That's April 12th. And the first weekend in May, there's a Midwest training camp at 10th Planet Omaha. Go to the Nibiru forum for all the info. That's the forum that's on 10thPlanetJJ.com. So that Midwest training camp, we're going to have Gio and Boogie teaching there,

John Botello, Brian McCaffrey, and me. It's going to be just a wild weekend of just mad jiu-jitsu. Glorious, glorious. Alright, JoeRogan.net for details and tickets, and all the podcasts are available there as well. Thanks to everybody that we ran into this weekend. I tried to take pictures

with as many people as I could at Metamorris, but it got fucking crazy. But thank you for all the love. And thanks for all the love Sunday night too at the Comedy and Magic Club. We'll be back tomorrow. We got a lot of podcasts this week,

a lot of cool shit, and much love, everybody. Now, dropped. Eddie Bravo's new track, the new remix. Smoke Serpent is the name of the band. Boom. Just listen to it.

15 seconds. No, just play it, man. Crank it. Fully committed, coming with it from the start to the finish Strictly business when I bring it to your attention This honorable mention, piss all in your invention Misses can't afford to mention, this is only my suggestion My emergence, your message, psycho-metabolic message full of politics, charlatans, evil inside the hearts of men, evil beneath my penitence, ego attack in common sense, regal impotence amongst the

corporate imposter, I spot ya, funny nirvana never treated me proper, never enough nada to conquer my trauma, little shop of horrors and calamities, stop the insanity, battling over control, ballad of tragedy shown Balancing out with the cold, watch as the story unfolds Manifesting with my destiny sold Meant to expose, set to explode At any moment, maintaining focus Holding on cause I know I get dropped

But I'm right back in I get dropped But I'm right back this shit, I'm gonna take this win I get dropped But I'm right back in I've been through worse, I can handle this I get dropped It's what I will always do I get dropped I got my second wing, I'm gonna rise up and pop my fist

Come on, get up Yeah, come on, get up Yeah, come on, get up Come on, get up Come on, get up! Yeah! Come on, get up! Yeah! Come on, get up! Come on, get up! Come on, get up! Never this crazy before, time to settle the score Treadin' on floors but thinkin' of skies Fear in the rise, feet in line

Hate meant to walk the line The first fence, my bite, the first incurred The stride, sights to strike, strikes with might The spice, all adversaries Big bang, anger theory, big man Die, you, strike, strike with might and spice All adversaries, big bang, anger, theory, big man Now you hear me, it's that fast, the fury, the fast The fury with my passion, securing the task, alluring My mask, fuming, you ask, consuming like I'm trash

Be using, keep yapping like I'm gas And I'ma smash and peel it, don't be stupid Now I don't need to do it till I'm useless Cause I know what I'll pursue it I get dropped, but I'm right back in I'm gonna fight this shit, I'm useless cause I know what I'll pursue I get dropped But I'm right back in I'm gonna fight this shit, I'm gonna take this win I get dropped But I'm right back in

I've been through worse, I can handle this I get dropped It's what I will always do I get dropped I got my second wing, I'm gonna rise up and pump my fist With the pain that brought the way I sang this song That's why I last this long It was the pain that brought the way I sang this song

That's why I sang this song It's for the pain I brought, this is the fate I sought It was the pain that brought the way I sang this song That's why I last this long It was the pain that brought the way I sang this song That's why I sang this song It's for the pain I brought, this is the fate I sought And I'm falling, I'm falling, I'm falling

And I'm falling, I'm falling again It's what I always do I get dropped But I'm like that again I'm gonna fight this shit, I'm gonna take this win I get dropped But I'm like that again I've been through the worst, I can handle this

I get dropped It's what I will always do I get dropped I got my second win It's what I will always do I can't drop I got my second wind I'm gonna rise up and pop my face I can't drop, but I'm right back in And I'm falling, I'm falling, I'm falling I can't drop, but I'm right back in

And I'm falling, I'm falling again I can't drop It's what I will always do I can't drop, drop, drop, drop, drop It's what I always do I can't drop, drop, drop, drop, drop I can't drop, drop, drop, drop, drop