The Joe Rogan Experience - #482 - Rob MacCachren & Bud Brutsman

Episode Date: April 9, 2014

Rob MacCachren is an American off-road racer. He raced the Mickey Thompson Stadium Series early in his career and went on to win championships in Championship Off-Road Racing, SCORE International, SODA, and Best in the Desert. Bud Brutsman is a television show creator, executive producer, known for shows such as Overhaulin', Rides, and King of the Cage.

Cue the music, young Jamie. We're gonna talk about some crazy shit. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! My pal Bud Brutsman, who's my neighbor, we've been friends for many a year. More than two decades, right? We've been friends for a long time. 16, 17 years? Something like that. Long ass time.

Two decades, right? We've been friends for a long time. 16, 17 years? Something like that. Long-ass time. Bud, every year, leaves family and friends behind and travels to Mexico to do this fucking crazy race. And every year, I talk to his wife, shaking my head. I talk to other people shaking my head, going, that Bud Brutsman is a crazy son of a bitch.

Like, what the fuck is he doing down in Mexico doing jumps and flying over hills? Well, he has brought with him Rob McCachran, who is apparently the man when it comes to this Baja racing stuff. And, I mean, I'm fascinated by it. And so I'm real excited to get you guys on the podcast and talk about it. And I know you've got something upcoming that you're promoting that uh so people can get a chance to check it out yeah we i started racing i'm in the tv business right so i think you think i'm crazy but this race is much like mount everest to me you just got to go do it it starts always starts as a stupid bucket list thing you got to go do right so i i did it one year rob's been doing it for 25 years or 30 years. I did it one year in 2005, and I'm like, I got to go climb Mount Everest. I got to go do this thing. So I did it through a sponsor, my BF Grutterich, and I'm like, oh my God. And this actually leans back to you. This is mixed martial arts of racing. There's no rules. There's no classes. There are classes, but there's no rules. You can do anything you want. There's consequences down there. I mean, if you don't

train, you don't pay attention, you don't sleep, you go out and party the night before, you have consequences. You get hurt, you get killed, you could wreck your car, you could sit out in the middle of the desert for 20 hours. You know, I just went to go compete, kind of like an Ironman. Like, I'm going to go compete. I want to finish it. Right. Just say you

did a marathon. Yeah, I did a marathon. I get a little trophy. It's fine. And now I'm hooked, right? So then it's kind of the lure, this majestic place. Rob will talk about it a lot. This majestic place. So I was like, I finished.

I'm happy. 36 hours in a car. I finished. It was great. Everybody was happy. I was tired as shit. Then the next year I came back. I want to do it again.

Maybe I'll take second or third or get on the podium. And then, so I started chasing it and started chasing it. It took me eight years every day. You know, I work out all the time just to go race. I watch race videos. I get as much seat time as I can because I only do the one race a year. I do about two races a year, just one to practice. And then I go down and race the thousand And I finally won in 2012. But then there's guys like Rob, 200 wins. He's won 200 times in off-road racing. He's won five out of all the stats already, five Baja 1000s, five Baja 500s. He's the legend of our sport.

He races in trophy trucks, which is not my class. So for folks who don't know what Baja racing is, explain that. Rob, why don't you explain it since you've done it for decades? Absolutely. Baja 1000 is Baja Peninsula. Basically start in Ensenada, race all the way down to La Paz, approximately a thousand miles. All dirt roads. All dirt roads, some asphalt roads. Sometimes we can't get through dirt, so we have to get up on the highway and actually race down the highway with the traffic. As Bud was alluding to, there is no rules. The highway is wide open.

The race course is wide open. There's cattle. There's horses. Are there speed limits on the highway? Now there are. There didn't used to be. Yeah, there didn't used to be. Now, you know, sanctioning bodies, the sport is growing a little bit, and the Mexican government doesn't want Rob doing, I can't do 130 miles an hour on the highway.

He can. They don't want him to do 130 miles, so they've got us down to 60. But it's sections. It's really, it's kind of like in between rounds in a fight. You know, you jump on the highway. You get time to relax a little bit. Take a drink of water. You're cruising 60 miles an hour, and then up ahead about five miles,

you dump off in the dirt again, and you're just hauling ass in the dirt. And how fast do you go in the dirt? The top speed, close to 140. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, we cross dry lakes, 130, 540 miles an hour through the whoops, you know, two and three foot whoops like waves. Uh-huh.

Anywhere, you know, from 60 all the way up to 120 across them. It's an incredible thing. The wheel travel of these trucks is, you trucks is over 20 inches in the front, over 30 inches in the rear. The tires that we have are 39 inches tall. They cost a lot of money. Luckily, both Bud and I are supported by BF Goodrich. It's an incredible, incredible sport.

And like Bud was saying, when he got involved with it, he fell in love with it, and I did the same thing back in the early 80s. And I'm addicted to it. The Baja 1000, it only comes once a year. You try to win it. If you don't get it done, you got to wait another 365 days to get down there and do it again. And it's an awesome feeling, and you can't wait to get down there and do it. So these trucks, they have like some sort of special suspension on them

where each wheel is kind of independent, and they have a lot of wheel travel so they can hit these big crazy bumps and it still kind of keeps the thing fairly level is that that's the idea behind it absolutely got a great analogy there they either the front suspensions a arm independent the rear is actually straight axle but with you know shocks that are four and a half inches in diameter coil springs that are five inches in diameter uh the trucks they work really really well over the bumps they're amazing when you watch them in video you see the wheels just flopping around like they're just just super loose and uh it's an incredible thing that it's absolutely amazing yeah they have

um i i know dodge makes a truck that's just like a purpose-built off-road truck that they sell for civilians. Ford. Ford makes a truck. Well, I know Ford makes the Raptor. What does Dodge make? Dodge makes an even more hardcore version of it for the Ram. You guys are shaking your head. No, no.

You must be Ford people. We just know the truck industry, and both Rob and I were in the early stage of development of the Raptor. I raced the Raptor in 08. Rob was in the early development of the Raptor testing. And we just had that conversation about testing Borrego. We know the truck market pretty well. Dodge has nothing.

They've tried to duplicate it is what they've done. There's something called a Ram Runner. Yeah, exactly. Jamie, pull up the video. Dodge Raptor versus Ram Runner head-to-head. This is what I'm referring to. I saw a video online that was... Have you driven one of those yet?

No, I've driven the Raptor a lot, and they're an incredible vehicle. They're pretty cool that you can buy them. Yeah, absolutely. It's amazing to be able to go to the Ford dealer and get a truck that is capable of doing what the Ford Raptor is. I'm blown away. I've been in the off-road industry for a long time, and it's absolutely incredible what the Raptor can do. Yeah, our neighbor has one of these things. He uses it to go get groceries.

See, that's the difference between them is that the Raptor, I watched the video, the Raptor is more comfortable driving around. You could actually use it as a regular car, whereas the Ram Runner is much more like one of these things, something that you really wouldn't drive on the street. Yeah, the Ram Runner, I don't know what it is. I mean, it's probably aftermarket or purpose-built by a third-party or a second-stage manufacturer. It's not, I mean...

So it's not like as mainstream as the Raptor. They run, and I've talked to them, I've been to the plant, manufacturer it's not i don't i mean so it's not like as mainstream as the raptor they they run they run and i've talked to them i've been to the plant they run like eight f-150s and then they throw a raptor in there eight one f-150s put a raptor i mean it's a it's a real production vehicle right high number production vehicle that was what my point was going to be is like this is become this this type of racing has become so popular that it's sort of bleeding over into the commercial market. The regular domesticated human beings are buying these trucks that they could just drive out into the desert and go fucking go crazy and hit bumps with. Yeah, you used to see, we call them the flat billers, mimicking the off-road truck, buying a Ranger, putting fiberglass fenders on it, raising it up, lowering it.

And I think Ford Motor Company saw that. It's like, hey, we should build something that you can just buy right off the lot. And they did that. I think 2008, Bud and I both got invited to go out and do some testing with the Raptor and blown away by it. And then they came on the showroom, and you're capable of buying those things for under about $50,000. It's an incredible vehicle. Yeah, they're fast as shit too right yep six two the six two is

really fast the motor that motor is incredible i beat the crap out of it in our race um did 103 105 across the diablo lake bed um it's an amazing motor that's a stock motor too that's not even pumped up my trophy truck's got 900 horsepower that's why we can do 140s. Jesus. 900 horsepower. Yeah. Wow. They probably weigh full of gas, 105 gallons of gas, gets about two miles a gallon, 900 horsepower, 39 inch tall tires. 105 gallons of gas? Yeah. It's like driving a bomb. In order to get anywhere, you got to have that gas, because at two miles a gallon, you don't get very far. It really only gets two miles to the gallon? Pretty much, that's about the average. With him driving.

That is hilarious. That's hilarious. You have a two-mile-to-the-gallon car. Wow, 900 horsepower. It is a bomb. It's a bomb. 900 horsepower, 100 and how many gallons? 105 gallons. Wow, that horsepower. It is a bomb. It's a bomb. 900 horsepower, 100 and how many gallons? 105 gallons.

Wow, that's crazy. So how long can that get you? It's not always two miles, right? Like when you're on the highway going 60, it'll go up to eight? Yeah, it'll go up to probably six. Whoa, crazy. We try to go anywhere from 175 miles to 225 on a tank of gas. With 900 horsepower, the tires can't go a whole lot farther.

When you're out there in the desert spinning them, it just starts tearing the rubber off them. So do you have spares in the back, or do you have pit stops? Both. We carry two spare tires on the back. Just two? Yeah, just two. But every 175, 225 miles, we have a full-on fuel pit. We pull in there and stop.

They'll put 100 gallons of gas or get it filled back up and change the rear tires on the truck. And then if we happen to have a flat in between spots, they'll re-rack another tire. So we pretty much have that planned. If we're racing up and down the Baja Peninsula, that's about an 1,100-mile race. We'll stop every 200 miles. 1100 mile race we'll stop every 200 miles if we do the shorter loop races um anywhere from 250 to 500 miles or the other races go halfway do tires and fuel and and hit it so bud when we did for folks who don't know bud produced he's produced jesus christ 100 shows i mean how many shows you produced uh produced overholland and rides and um rides when we did that barracuda the the the silver barracuda that

we made that was what like 2004 or 5 or something 2005 yeah so that was like right around the year that you were you were beginning to race yep right around the time and i love i love jujitsu and i love all the stuff that we used to train together and this is kind of my new my next new passion i always had to figure out something new and crazy yeah i'm gonna go to antarctica i'm gonna climb out everest i'm gonna go do something stupid. This is my something stupid. It was really just a, I had so many TV shows on the air at the time. My sponsor was like, hey, we want to treat you. Why don't you go down and do this stupid celebrity race? And then I just haven't returned. Well, Bud was also, for folks who don't know, was one of the owners of the King

of the Cage back in the day. And Bud and I met at jujitsu we trained at uh john jock machados or both students of john jocks and um you were always involved in a bunch of fucking nutty shit you're always off doing something loony tunes but this one man this one stuck like glue this baja thing boy you would get this look in your eye like a fucking junkie when you would start talking about like a like a crazed crackhead just looking to get that neck fixed and he's a king junkie when you would start talking about like a crazed crackhead just looking to get that neck fixed. He's a king junkie. This guy's mad at you. Well, I'm sure with a 900-horsepower car flying around going 140 miles an hour

over bumps. It is nothing like you've ever seen. You have to – like I talk to people like a good friend of mine, Andrew Hendricks, he raced SCCA for years, right? So he's got his Mustang. He's got an Audi. He's racing SCCA for years So he's got his Mustang He's got an Audi He's racing SCCA in the American Le Mans series And they're fast and he's loving it

He took one ride in a trophy truck Sold his stuff and he's got five trophy trucks now And he's going to start racing So flat ground got boring Flat ground always gets boring Going around in a fucking circle It's stupid You're going around in a circle

Left, left, left Is it that bad for your brain like bouncing up and down I talked to a guy who's an expert in I know a lot of shit for your brain That's what I'm saying my whole life. I'm looking at my whole all my choices. Oh my god. It's amazing. I talk for a living What I'm not sure there's anything I don't do it. There's not bad for my brain Um, but the bouncing around apparently he was telling me that even just jet skiing or water skiing, like getting pulled behind a boat and bouncing up and down, he's like, that's really bad for your brain. There's nowhere in nature where you hit water and have your head snap up and down like that.

He's like, in nature, it's like, what, running? Maybe the occasional jump. You jump over things. You're avoiding animals that are trying to eat you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, the human body is an amazing thing, right? So my very first race, I don't think I could feel my neck or my head for about three days afterwards. My neck was so sore.

And at the time, and I've actually been a lot smarter in technologies. They gave me the heaviest, oldest, crappiest helmet. It must have weighed six pounds. I'm here to put this on. And then I was in the car for 36 hours with this helmet on. And I thought my head was going to come off. You get a Mike Tyson neck from that. Yeah.

So your body. You probably do a good workout with it. I do. I do one for training for things. I put a 25-pound plate on my head. Then I do this. Then I do that. I'm not kidding.

I believe you. Your body starts to evolve and could absorb that and you actually the and the thing that helps you the most is you you're almost like a like a drunk driving you just relax do your seatbelts just fucking relax you always put like rob and i will go take guys for a ride we do on occasion they're over there's on the holy shit bar and they're tense and they're so tense and their seatbelts are sucked down. They stop breathing, too. Yeah, and they suck their – we actually took a SEAL team guy who was on my team in 09, but he put his seatbelts so tight, it starts hurting your clavicle. It starts crushing down your sternum.

Your sternum starts separating from your chest, and I'm not kidding. He's like, I think my heart hurts. I'm like, no. I swear to God. Am I joking? No, absolutely not. My heart hurts. I think I hurt my heart. I'm like, no. What happens is really I joking? No, absolutely not. My heart hurts. I think I hurt my heart.

I'm like, no, you just, what happens? Really, you push so much on the clavicle down, sucking down, and your chest is moving. Separating your ribs? You're separating the center of your sternum out. So like the area that they cut open when they give you open heart surgery. Yeah, it starts separating. It gets cartilage right here. Oh, God.

And I'm like, you're not having a heart attack. You just put your thing. Come on, pussy. Get out of here. You know I took Josh Barnett. Did you? Two years ago, yeah. I know a lot of MMA guys do it.

Doesn't Eric Apple, he goes down there a lot? No, he's been down there a lot. He does short court racing. Yeah, he did short course racing. He does a lot of racing. He told me he was involved in some horrible, horrible wreck. It was bad, yeah. He did a nose.

Did you see that? I think it was like Elsinore. He was in that West Coast. It was bad, yeah. He did a nose. Did you see that? I think it was like Elsinore. He was in that West Coast Chill truck. Oh, yeah. That went over and over and over, and he got blood in his eye and got all kind of funky. He did the same thing. I think he had all sorts of bleeding. Yeah.

Head bleeding. Yeah, and he's a novice. He's a great friend of ours, but he's a novice. He hasn't raced as much. But, yeah, that was... Well, he's another fucking nut, right? Nut. I mean, he started out his career doing...

Motorcycle racing. Yeah, motorcycle racing. Then he got into MMA, he's another fucking nut, right? I mean, he started out his career doing... Motorcycle racing. Yeah, motorcycle racing. Then he got into MMA. And now another crazy adrenaline junkie. The idea behind this is all based on competition. It was one of the things we were talking about. Like, there's very little money in this. Yeah, for...

It's really... You know, it's a beautiful sport because you don't really have to have a lot of money to get in certain classes. And then there's the upper echelon class, like Rob's class. And there's not, and I'll stop talking in a minute, there's not a lot of money into it. But I don't think there's a lot. How much money is in yacht racing? I mean, all the really big sports or things that are on a bucket list, there's not a lot of money in climbing Mount Everest. It actually costs you $25,000 if you want to go do it.

It's just one of those things you have to go do. Right. It's passion-driven. I mean, we get addicted to it. It's like a drug, and we end up spending everything that we have to do it. The smaller classes, they run anywhere from $20,000 to $50,000. Trophy trucks like I drive, they're $500,000. That's a $500,000 truck?

Yep. Oh, my god. Pull up a picture of one of those. What would he look for? Trophy trucks. No, just do Rob McCacken. Don't you have one on your site? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, robmccacken.com. You'll pull it up. For me too, there's a mystique

around Baja for some reason. It's all based, you know, you go, the essence of cool is you're trying to figure yourself out in your 20s and your 30s. And you look back at Steve McQueen, guys like Steve McQueen and James Gardner and all these other cool, Paul Newman. They all have raced the race. I mean, they did this race before and they went down there and they raced. I mean, McQueen almost won it a couple of times.

Really? Paul Newman raced it when he was 80. He was 80 when he went down there and raced. I mean, these cool guys might be what killed them yeah poor bastard these cool guys want to go down there and race so there's a cool mystique to it i mean the list of celebrities and people want to go down there and race it's just interesting yeah i guess um it's a very strange thing that this has become so is that the truck yeah that's okay that's actually the image of your uh trophy truck yep that's

actually a short course truck there that's i's actually. Okay, that's the image of your trophy truck. Yep, that's actually a short course truck there. I do short course racing too. That's a pro too. Why is there a naked girl next to you? Does she race with you? That would make racing better. Absolutely. That's Rockstar, the image.

Always have the ladies in the posters. Oh, Rockstar Energy Drink is what you're saying. Rockstar Energy Drink, yes. You're not like one of those dudes like, I'm a rock star. I'm out there driving around. I'm a rock star. No. He's the most humble driver out there. There's a lot of guys out there, I'm a rockstar. I'm out there driving around. I'm a rockstar. No. He's the most humble driver out there.

There's a lot of guys out there. I just wanted to let people know who are just listening. A lot of people watch this. More people listen and watch it. So the idea behind it came when? Like what year did this race get created? I don't know. Probably in the early 60s.

Want to hear my version of it? Yeah. Go ahead. Then I'll fix it. I read once. No, in 62, I'll tell you exactly how it happened. In 62, the Honda Motor Company decided that they were going to put out two Enduro bikes, right? In 1962.

Steve McQueen's stunt guy, his name's Dave Eakins. Bud Eakins was his stunt double in a lot of the races, and I'll make this short. They said, how are we going to test these bike and market to Americans? These guys are just racers and idiots, and they wanted to go, okay, we're going to go, and swear to God, this is what happened. They went in 1962, they went to Tijuana, they went to Western Union, they timestamped a card, and they went down to La Paz, and they timestamped a card.

No navigation, no nothing, and they made the Baja Peninsula. That was the very first run in the 60s that happened. And then all of a sudden, so they did a time. It's kind of like, you know, you know the gumball rally? This is like the gumball rally, but on dirt with a huge car. So they did their rally, and then they posted a time. We did that in 35 minutes. So then somebody else came back, or 35 hours, sorry.

Somebody else came back and says, okay, wait, well, we can beat that. that so they did in 32 hours and if you look at the the heritage of people going down there and saying i can beat that and then trucks started going down there and then cars started going down there and then in 67 there was um there was a race 60 67 there was a race the nora right was the first nora and then um an icon in my world right uh mickey thompson who's an icon of motorsports for everything he's done in land speed and off-road and everything is he the guy that drove the rocket car yeah he did he drove he built land speed records for off yeah he did every he's look mickey mickey thompson in the motorsports world is just a is just a genius he's not he's just a kind of a pioneer in a lot of ways. He was always like ahead of the game.

He was always building and pioneering something before it's time. Him and Perlman got together and said, let's do a race. So they started off in Tijuana, and there was a couple hundred guys. There was, I mean, Gardner was in there. Steve McQueen was in. There were guys, I'm not kidding, who had shoulder pads, like football shoulder pads on, on a motorcycle, dropped the flag, and they all go.

Wow. Wow. So that's what started it all off. It's the wild frontier. And I'm telling you, there's no rules. Someone's in your way, you honk nicely, nicely, and if they don't move, you move them. Like you punt them.

You run into them with cars? Yes. So humans or cars? You're running into humans or you're running into cars? Yes. So humans or cars? You're running into humans or you're running into cars? Cars. Cars. Depends on the day. For me, it's cars.

Try not to run into humans. That's not good. But you told me that there's a lot of shenanigans that go on with the locals. The locals know that this event is going to take place. A lot of what we talked about, we talked about before we went live on the air. But besides the fact that they try to touch the cars, if you see the videos, I don't know, how much of this stuff can we show? We can't play the music? Is that what it is?

No, you can play all the other ones, the other videos I sent you. Here's a video right here. Look how wide that fucking thing is. Yeah, it's about 92 inches wide, which is about 15 inches wider than a normal truck. And there we are going across the dry lake at about 130. And that's your trophy truck. Yeah, that's a trophy truck. That's Baja, California.

Whoa, that looks fun. It is fun. But look how close those people get. Yeah, down there in Baja, I mean, this is the biggest sport that they have. And they wait year round for us to, down there in Baja, I mean, this is the biggest sport that they have, and they wait year-round for us to come down there, and they have, you know, such huge passion for it, like I do. At times, they want to touch the truck. You'll go by, and you'll see them trying to reach out and grab the truck. Some of the other things, the shenanigans they do is build jumps, booby traps, we call them, and they crash a lot of cars, but what they're doing is they want

to see the excitement. They want to see the truck or the buggy hit the jump and fly through the air and get pictures. One thing that's always funny about Mexico is you see that they have the phone cameras, and I think you can piece together your whole race by them with their phone cameras. If they all posted it, you could pretty much put the whole race together. There's thousands, so I'll put it in perspective. First of all, the Mexican people are amazing. They're amazing to us. And it sounds like I'm making excuses for them, but they are innocent enough where they just decide, like, they truly, and I had to learn this the hard way.

I had a celebrity in my car and I was driving. Just a random celebrity? Yeah. No, I had actually Chip Foose with me in my car. Okay. And we're driving and I'm doing about 90, just a random dirt road. And I see a bunch of people over here, right? Okay, I got to make sure to watch them, make sure they're not darting out in front of me.

And then I see some randy people over here with a fire. And there's a lot of them. And it's dusk. And they both have fires on the side of this road. And I'm like, this is strange. What are those fucking people doing on the side of the road? Boom! And I hit a telephone pole they buried in the middle of the road, right? And I went up like this, and I'm coming down at 90 miles an hour.

I'm like, oh, fuck. This is going to be terrible. Luckily, the car absorbed it. We nerfed in, bounced off, and kept going. I didn't even see the telephone pole because I'm an idiot. I'm a newbie, and I'm looking. A bunch of Mexicans over there. There's a bunch of guys over there.

That's really nice of these people coming out to see us. Boom! So they thought it was cute to set nice of these people coming out to see us. Oh! So they thought it was cute to set up this booby trap just to watch people try to jump it and go flying through the air. Well, I think the rednecks would do the same thing. If you didn't have those fences at the Daytona 500 and they could actually fix the outcome, like, we're going to see if Dale Jr. could jump this car, right? Oh, for sure. They would do it. But that's what it is in Mexico.

There's no fences. There's no fences to keep them back. There's no fences. They're able to go wherever they want. Well, and the capabilities of these trucks are pretty extraordinary. They're very different than anything that a NASCAR car could do. They're not necessarily. I have a belief.

Some people throw bottles and shit like that. But they're not necessarily out to kill us or hurt us. Because actually, after they wreck us, they'll help us. I've had them wreck before in a booby trap, and they'll roll the car over. They'll help you fix a car with a welder. They'll help you change a tire, and they'll push you on your way. They not only throw bottles, but they throw rocks sometimes. They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck.

They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck to you? No, it didn't happen to me, but my partner with Mastercraft Racing, he was coming in to Ensenada, coming to the finish at night. Robbie? Yeah, Robbie Pierce from Mastercraft. He got a snake thrown in the cab of the truck. Holy shit. Thankfully, it's not me, because I don't really care for snakes.

What kind of snake? I don't know. Who cares? It doesn't really matter. If it's poisonous or non-poisonous. Who cares if you're driving 80 miles an hour and a snake hits you and you look down, it might as well be a cobra at that point. If you're really hardcore, you put it in your teeth and you keep driving. It's bite down on its head and you're like, fuck you.

At that point, you just pull over and get the fuck out of the car. So was technology developed specifically for this race to figure out how to drive fast and hit those bumps? Because this, I mean, I'm fairly ignorant. I mean, I kind of understand suspensions. I kind of see, but it's pretty obvious when I look at your trophy truck that there's some extraordinary equipment on that. Yeah, absolutely. It's developed over the years. You know, like when Bud was telling the story earlier,

how it started in the 60s, they were taking stock trucks down there, putting a little bit bigger tires on them, taking the windshields out of them, stuff like that, putting some extra seatbelts in them. And now it's just developed into big, tall tires that weigh, tire and wheel probably weighs 150 pounds a piece. Wow. Shocks, $15,000 for a set of shocks for the truck. Nine-hole horsepower, like I said. Some of us have automatic trannies, some of them manual trannies. Lights, like a baseball stadium. KC Lights is a sponsor and runs seven of them on the roof and seven of them on the front bumper. You can see a mile down the road and light up the whole desert. Over the years, we keep developing, making things better, and it's the whole ego thing. You want to be the first one to La Paz, and you're constantly thinking about what can

you do, what can you make, what can you build to make it go faster. Well, go ahead. No, please. No, I mean, there's an entire industry that was spawned off of this. This is a halo, right? So Trophy Trucks and Baja Racing is a halo for any brand. It doesn't really matter what it is. We entertain brands like we said, Ford, BF Goodrich, KC.

They can go down there and conquer Baja. GoPro, you name the company and they want to go to Baja. And they always come to me because I'm the media guy and they're like, how do we do this? I'm like, I don't know. I'll hook up with a Trophy Truck and we'll go beat the shit out of your product and see if it works. There's an entire industry. If you go to SEMA, which is that big aftermarket parts thing, there's an entire industry

which is dedicated to off-road. And the halo of off-road is Baja 1000 Racing. It's the halo. When you say it's the halo, what do you mean by that? It's really the pinnacle. If you go to racing, like NASCAR, F1, stuff is developed

and then trickles down. So there is a pass-through from everything that Rob is, because he complains a lot, everything that Rob complains because it's not fast enough, it's not good enough. That's how you get a 900-horsepower truck that goes two miles to the gallon. He'll talk to his shock, he'll go, I hit a shock, I hit this bump one time at 85 miles an hour. And I felt it. I felt it. And I don't want to feel it. I drive, all due respect, he drives a fucking pillow.

I mean, that thing drives, it just, it drives. So when you're going all over those crazy bumps and shit, you're fairly level. Nothing. He feels nothing. You do feel a little bit, but it's incredible. It's an analogy we have is it's like riding on a marshmallow. When you jump and you land, it's like just falling like you're landing on a marshmallow. Wow. And that's the development over all the years and and thankfully i'm in the

trophy truck class which is the elite class i've worked my way up from the bottom driven through them all and definitely don't want to go back and thanks appreciate that well what's the difference the bottom ones like what are the how many classes are there well there's there's there's more than 10 classes there's there's probably six or eight classes, and there's six or eight buggy classes, and there's also motorcycles. And ATVs. Quads, ATVs, all these. There ends up being over 20 classes at the Baja 1000, and they all compete against their own class. They all start at their own time together against a clock.

We're not racing. We're racing all together at the track at the same time, but we're separated by start time. So you're really racing the clock. You do have traffic. You do have to get by the guys to get the win. What happened there? I'm so used to Bud jumping on me. You're flinching.

So when you're driving these things, it's very different than the cheaper trucks. Yeah. I don't want to say cheaper because none of them are cheap, but the different classes. Yeah, well, the different classes. Entry-level classes. Exactly. You've got to have your entry-level classes, and they're a lot more stock. They don't have as much wheel travel. They've got 8 or 10 inches of wheel travel in the truck, smaller tires.

They're just restricted a lot more, and those cars are a lot more difficult. They beat you up a lot more. They take a lot longer to get down the peninsula. Yeah, that's what I was going to get at. So when you first started out, you took much more of a beating. Yeah, absolutely. So now, that's why you're into these really cushy rides. You've been there, done that.

I've been there, done that. I want to work my way up and get to the top of the sport. I've been doing it for 30 years, and I've been in the elite class since the mid-90s. So this is a good vehicle for the apocalypse, except for the fact that it uses so much fuel. Yeah, but if you have a gun, you can get fuel. Yeah, but you've got to make your own fuel at a certain point in time. You're not running diesel, right? No.

See? That's the problem. You know Neil Young makes his own diesel? I think Daryl Hannah makes her own diesel out of vegetable oil and crap like that. Well, Neil Young apparently has this gigantic farm. He has like a thousand plus acre ranch in Northern California. And he makes his own biodiesel and runs all his vehicles off of his own gasoline. So he's completely, totally off the grid.

They do like a conversion on the old Mercedes? Yeah, you can do a conversion on any kind of old car. Well, even new cars, apparently. On the diesel, right? You can do conversions to biodiesel. Yeah. Yeah, we have to. Actually, I was going to run one year.

I was working on it. What does that show, that picture? Jamie, what did you put up? Neil Young's 59 Lincoln runs on biodiesel and can be plugged in. Wow. I like that. That's pretty dope. I was working on a deal where I was going to do a truck, an all-electric truck down

there. Oh. Instead of switching out gas. Is that possible? Yeah, it's possible. I mean, the lithium batteries, because I was involved with a truck company, and my answer is very stock. Like, what can we do to market this thing?

Race it. I don't even care what it is. It could be a mini bike. My answer is race it. We should probably go race it, right? I don't care what it is. It could be a mini bike. My answer is race it. We should probably go race it, right? I don't care. Could you do a, I mean, is it feasible that you could have enough battery power to do that? Sure. Yeah. And the torque would be amazing. That's why I want to do the torque on those. The electric motors are amazing. The problem is I don't think you would go, our pits, my pits, not his, my pits are about 120 miles apart and that'd be hard to get there.

Yeah. My buddy Aubrey has one of those Teslas. Right. And the pickup is incredible. Like, I was really shocked at how fast those things go. Like, the zero to 60 is like four seconds. Right. It's bananas. And it's weird because there's no gears.

It's just, you're just going. It's not like. It's very digital, yeah. It's just. It's very much like a spaceship. I mean, you just hit the grass, completely silent. I mean, you hear the tires rolling on the rubber, the rubber rolling on the concrete, and that's it.

You don't hear anything. It's very strange. That'd be a little bit scary in Baja because the spectators, they're used to hearing the race vehicle come in electric. They probably wouldn't hear it coming, right? We could play that poker music or something on it. Yeah, there you go.

How many, you would have to have so many batteries, though. What I'm thinking is like a Tesla, if you go from the beginning, fully charged to the end, you're getting like 300 miles, I think. Yeah, but that's all I would need to do. We planned it out. It would be 120 miles to charge. So you build a carriage underneath, which are about 700-800 pounds of batteries and then you get to the next pit and you have a fully

charged set of batteries. You drop that carriage, put that carriage in, bolt it back up. I'd be in my own class and I could provide them whatever company it was. At the time it was a company called Phoenix. I could provide them with a Baja 1000 win as a marketing campaign. Has Ford or any of these other companies

ever thought about doing something like that? Ford is amazing at it because they do use Baja a lot. Last year, I raced the brand new F-150, the 2015 F-150, which is a twin-turbocharged V6 in the stock class. That's stock suspension, stock tire, everything's stock on the car. Twin-turbocharged V6. And we did the Raptor together. I did the Raptor, and he was on the testing testing and I raced the F-150 last year. And when you race an F-150, how much of it is different than what you would buy off a

showroom floor? Nothing. Roll cage. We had a fuel cell roll cage, spare tire. That one, I had a radio and we had cup holders. I remember looking at some of the videos, there's a cup holder in there. You can look it up online. F-150 races the Baja 1000. There's me and you're going to laugh at me. That's it right there. No. That seems pretty different. No, that's not. Different fenders. That's not. No, you'll see mine.

It's the 2012 Baja and they pissed me off because I told them they did this to make me mad, but they made me wear a white driving suit. For folks who don't know, Bud wears... Bud, you're the weirdest fucking dude I've ever met

when it comes to clothes. You go over to Bud's house, he's got all black pants, all black shirts, his whole fucking wardrobe, his entire closet is black shirts, black pants,

black t-shirts, black underwear, I'm assuming? Yeah. Black socks. Black socks. Black sneakers. Yep.

He just doesn't want to think about colors. No. So when they hit you with some white, did you wear it, or did you just get a marker and a sharpie? I was pretty upset. Luckily, I didn't have to get in the car at the beginning, and the rain was, the weather was pretty cold,

so I had a black slicker I put on the top. So it rained on you, and you rolled around in the dirt? In your white driver's seat. I've been trying to get Bud High for so long to get him to smoke pot. And I'm like, the first thing you're going to do is throw away those fucking black clothes. You're going to go,

look at all these pretty colors I could choose. Just let me get a little color in my wardrobe. So when I get stoned, I start wearing pastels? You'll start enjoying different colors. You'll start realizing how ridiculous it is. We turn you into Andy Dick and you can wear pastels and shit? It's not Andy Dick. I'm saying you have an appreciation for other colors. You start realizing how ridiculous it is. Weed turns you into Andy Dick and you can wear pastels and shit? It's not Andy Dick. I'm saying you have an appreciation

for other colors. No. No. I think if I smoke pot, which I'm not going to, I'd be more into the Dark Lord world and I'll have maybe skulls on my t-shirts. Wow, you would get darker? Yeah. Okay. Now, when you drive an F-150 do you use like regular

tires like you take tires that are right off of a showroom floor yeah these the we had the new bf kudich uh ko2s that we raced on this on this truck normal suspension regular f-150 suspension stock dude we went hunting at tahone ranch up in uh north like uh it's near bakersfield for tv right you did that no no no No, no, no. This was a recent one. We went wild pig hunting. Tohono Ranch is this huge ranch. It's 1,700,000 acres.

Biggest ranch in California. Huge place. And this guy, Cody, who was one of the guides there, one of the hunting guides, drove us all around in F-150. And I mean, talking horrific terrain. And this fucking thing is driving over rocks. And I was so impressed. I was like, this is like one of the best commercials

for an F-150 you could ever get. Just going to like, if you're thinking about buying one of these things, what's an F-150 capable of? Go fucking drive around to Hone Ranch for a couple of days in one of these things. And think if you would want to do this on anything else. This is what I... Oh, that's the Raptor that Rob and I were involved with the development of.

So that's a custom Raptor. That's not like a – Yeah, we raced that in Class 8, and we built it out. But that one still had the stock motor. Yeah, stock motor, stock dash. We did have custom suspension on it. Actually, that's what caused me to race the F-150 last year. Okay, well, we built the Raptor a little bit, and people start chatting now online like,

oh, that wasn't really stock. So they made us race a stock car. Oh, so just not even a Raptor, just a regular F-150. Regular F-150, regular. Now, did you bottom out at all with that? That's probably an understatement, yeah, yeah. You don't bottom out with your truck? We do, but we're going three times as fast as the stock truck.

So it bottoms out. You don't feel it quite as bad. It doesn't do as much damage. So the bottom of your F-150 was completely stock as well? No plates or anything? No, we definitely had a skid plate underneath the front to protect the motor underneath. Yeah, because we bottomed out a lot. That's what you see in the front of the Raptor, that front piece that comes down, that's a skid plate?

Yep. So you just installed something along those lines? Yep. That's it? Yep. Wow. And then after we raced it, I mean, the car was in such good shape, but I can't even believe, because this year was what? Last year.

See if you pull up that video, F-150 races Baja. Yeah, you'll see it. We put it up online. The Ford F-150, new F-150 races conquers Baja. This was a tough, 2012, 2013, sorry, was the single toughest Baja 1000 I've ever seen. Why is that? I don't know. Roger Norman, who owns SCORE, decided it was his first Baja 1000 course.

This is my opinion. I'll let Rob talk. It was his first Baja 1000 course. This is my opinion. I'll let Rob talk. It was his first Baja 1000. He wanted to make a statement. He's a former racer. He wanted to make it the worst fucking course you ever, ever could drive. And it was tough. It was hard and slow and fast and gnarly.

How did they change it? He just marks the course. He goes down. So this is the F-150? Yeah, that's it. That's a stock F-150 with just the lights on it. Yep. Wow.

And that's you driving that thing? Yep. I have the blue helmet sitting in my... It's a great F-150 fucking commercial. I mean, Ford's really smart doing this. I'm fucking never thought about racing in my life. And now I'm thinking, God, I got to do this. Go with Rob.

Yeah, you got to do it. That's the way to go. Go straight to the top. Trophy truck. Next time you're in Vegas, he lives in Vegas. Next time you're in Vegas, he'll take you out to Prim, go for a ride. You'll shit yourself. I'm there in May.

I'm there in May for the UFC. Incontinent. You'll become incontinent. I'll tell you what. We'll make a deal. I'll get you UFC tickets. You take me for a fucking beat ride in the desert. We're in.

His girlfriend would love that. Amber would love to go to the UFC. Yeah. All right. Beautiful. It's a good event, too. It's TJ Dillash to go to the UFC. Yeah. All right, beautiful. It's a good event, too. It's TJ Dillashaw versus Hennon Burrell. It should be fun. Now, you guys have been involved in this for a long time.

How much has the popularity increased over the last few years? Because it seems like there's a lot of exposure. Like, I'm hearing about it all the time. Maybe I'm hearing about it just because I'm friends with Bud. But, I mean, I'm seeing it online. I'm seeing like a lot of these crazy, like Ram runner type trucks are being built. Yeah. Popularity it's, it's, you know, I've known for 32 years and it's, it's increased. Um, Bud's definitely helping out a lot with score this year, you know, with television production, getting us out there on TV, putting very good shows together. I think here at the

end of April and April 20th, April 20th. Yeah. I think here at the end of April, I think April 20th, we'll be on. April 20th, yeah. We just did a deal with CBS. You know, I told them this great story. I won my race in 2012 in my class, and then Roger Norman, who's the new owner, came up to me and swore to God. He's like, well, now you're a champion. You can produce TV for me, is what he said to me.

I was like, great. And I get to have it because, you know, you know me as I do TV, I do all my stuff. So now I get to kind of merge, and I always seem to do this, merge my two hobbies together. When I was doing jiu-jitsu, we had King of the Cage, right? Right, right. Because I got to have a reason and really a television vehicle to do something because then I get to kind of be cool in the sport. Well, you're kind of a workaholic, and it helps you when you're doing jiu-jitsu. Well, you know, hey, I need to know what the fuck's going on when I'm watching fights.

Exactly right. So it's a way to sort of make a hobby a part of your job. But you do. My immersion style, like Rob will tell you, I've raced for 10 years and now I'm producing a TV. There's not much I haven't done or experienced down there. Not like Rob has, but I

know the racers feel comfortable. Just like when you're commentating a fight, the fighters feel comfortable that you're commentating. You know what the fuck they're doing, the setups but I know the racers feel comfortable, just like when you're commentating a fight. The fighters feel comfortable that you're commentating, going, you know what the fuck they're doing, the setups. I know what they're doing in the car. I've been on the course. Right, right, right. And not in the super trucks, but I've been down there going, I know that course.

I know what he's doing. This is what happens. That's a booby trap. So when we're editing the show, I get to bring my experience into it. Yeah, that's got to help a lot for the riders, for the drivers. Yeah, absolutely. He has as much or more passion than I do just riding around with him today and listening to him talk about all his stuff

and how jacked up he gets when he watches the videos and stuff. He's like a kid in a candy store. Yeah, Bud's fucking show rides is what got me to, I never thought about buying a classic car, but I watched his show rides and I'm like, God damn, I want to get one of those that looks fucking cool think the show's coming back by the way I just coming back work it should come back Jesus Christ right back there you get the two more cars there's space I

got a little garage you can put two cars I'm thinking of expanding thinking getting a bigger place I could put an archery range in there's a with there's an archery range here whether you know it or not there There's targets in the back, and there's a straight shot 28 yards from the front door to the back. You got to tag the werewolf? No, I have a compound bow sight back there. That's normal. A compound bow

target back there. Absolutely normal. Well, my new thing is hunting, and I've been doing that the last couple years. I'm fucking bananas about that, the way you're bananas about racing. So I'm trying to incorporate that into my life. Yeah, but we do that too. Yeah.

Yeah, they kill animals on the race course every once in a while. Yeah, but I don't think that's hunting. I think that's just traffic jams. That's just livestock getting on the race course. Yeah, back to the course getting tougher. How do they make the course tougher? Rob, you can answer that. Roger looks at the maps, tries to figure out the roughest, worst spots on the whole Baja Peninsula,

and then tries to mark the course so it goes through all that. He wanted to make a statement, wanted to make Baja tougher than ever, and he did it. Last 2013, it was a loop race from Ensenada to Ensenada. It wasn't a peninsula run but he went to all the worst parts of baja and had us run through it so they changed the actual place you go to so there's no benefit oh every year every year every year the course gets different absolutely every year it's different maybe runs the opposite direction just different different areas because that becomes a big issue with like say like the

nurburg ring which is the benchmark that they use to test performance cars. The issue becomes when guys have raced the Nürburgring so many times, they know exactly when to slow down, exactly when to speed up. And that has a big effect on those Nürburgring times because everyone's chasing that seven-minute time around the Nürburgring. And now, sub-seven minute in that Porsche 918, they've managed to go sub-seven minutes, which is fucking insane. But a lot of that is those guys knowing that course. Absolutely. You don't have that. No. Our stuff changes every time.

It's different. Even loop races, every time you come around, there's already been 100 other cars that have been there since you had, and it's completely different. Silt beds, rocks are moved. So that's part of the thing that's so interesting about our sport had it's completely different silt beds rocks are moved so that's part of the thing that's so interesting about our sport is never the same well it's interesting is and it's also the mayhem starts with the organizer so i want to put in perspective for so you know what a tough mudder is right um i've heard the expression so a tough mudder are those you know those races they put through obstacle courses and through mud holes and you're going to take over you're to climb up a wall and go through fire

and crawl through barbed wire fences. This is like a tough mudder. Our organizer, which is Roger and some of the guys who mark the course, the mayhem starts with them because they'll put us through shit, and they know we're going to get stuck. Or they'll go, if he's not paying attention, he's going to hit that rock. He's going to go flipping off the edge, and that'll be great. These guys are sadistic pricks.

So they're saying we're going to set up a rock there to make sure we're going to set up the course by a rock. So if you don't pay attention, you're going to go flying off the edge of a cliff. Yes. And I'm not kidding. Sometimes it'll be, it's really weird. You'll be reading the terrain, reading the terrain. You'll come up over this rise, and there's a left-hand turn. And if you don't pay attention, you're off the terrain, you'll come up over this rise, and there's a left-hand turn. And if you don't pay attention, you're off.

Oh, Jesus Christ! So it starts with the sadistic pricks that are down there marking the course. Am I wrong? No, absolutely right. Well, you told me once that you were driving, and you came upon a wreck, and a guy had his bones sticking through his leg. A guy

broke his leg, and it flipped off the side of a cliff and you had to get down there and locals were starting to creep in and it got real sketchy no no that wasn't you're mixing two stories the Josh Barnett story and then our wreck

we had my team in 07 the BFKD team in 07 had one of the worst wrecks in the planet everybody thought the two drivers were dead and I had to go in and get them. Again, this is an adventure race. It's not car racing. This is an adventure race.

And what happened in ours, our BC car went off the cliff at Saint-Havier. And to guys like us, you say he went off the cliff at Saint-Havier, it's fucking crazy. How far? 300 feet. And there are sections on the course

where they're inverted, where it's like this, and you just hit. So the car dropped 300 feet. And there are sections on the course where they're inverted, where it's like this, and you just hit. Luckily. So the car dropped 300 feet? Rolled seven times, 300 feet. Destroyed the car. And I didn't know because I went, we were just talking about it. I was down in Loretto.

We went down to La Paz, and I got a call to go back to Loretto because our car is in trouble, and we can't find the car, and I didn't know where he was at. And then the guys in the car call my wife two o'clock in the morning. That's not good. They call my wife on the sat phone, even though I told them how to use a sat phone. Oh, no. And they sound all fucked up.

They're like, uh, is Bud there? And Adrian's like, what the fuck? So she calls me on my sat phone, goes like, somebody just called here from the house. I'm like, all right, would they say they're where they're at? It's like, no, they just hung up. So now our car is off the course. We know it's not moving because we can track it. We don't know where they're at.

We could kind of tell where they were the last time. So I did this. Again, this is an adventure race. And Rob's got seven million of these stories. I'll tell you one stupid story, and then I'll shut up because I've been talking too much. You keep saying I'm going to shut up. You better stop saying that. Don't shut up. You're not supposed to shut much. You keep saying I'm going to shut up. You better stop saying that. Don't shut up. You're not supposed to shut up. You're supposed to be here

doing a podcast. But not on me. You're too self-deprecating, you fuck. I'm the douchebag producer. Shut up. You're my friend. Tell your goddamn story. All right. So we're racing, and I remember it was Kenny Bartram. These two guys in the car, there was Tracy Jordan, who's a rock crawler,

King of the Hammers guy, and Kenny Bartram. kenny bartram is this you know famous guy who cowboy kenny does uh he does nuclear cowboy stuff and he's an fmx guy he's a motor sorry motocross guy so i told him i got to get in the car san javier is very dangerous settle yourself down get through san javier and then you can haul ass you know down to la paz no problem 13 from the pit. 13 miles from the pit is straight down, and he knows I'm not lying. It's up a twisty road, and there's cliffs on one side. You're on the side of the mountain for 13 miles, and there's a cliff on the side of the road. Real tight, twisty stuff. Don't make a mistake.

And let me tell you why. Because 200 years ago, some priest, this is actually true, 200 years ago, some priest on a donkey, what they used to do with the missions, they used to be two days. Missions used to be two days apart. They'd set a mission here, and then him and a donkey and somebody else would go up a road, and after the second day, they'd land, and they'd build another mission right there. And then two days later, they'd do it. So up this hill, this donkey trail going up this hill, this guy, and I talked to him.

I had Thanksgiving dinner with him. He hung a wheel off it off the corner and said oh shit hold on six times he counted the revolutions going over and over and all of a sudden there was nothing and then they hit and the co-driver was knocked out he had a compression bruise from his helmet um compression bruise like his helmet got hit and they put a bruise on his skull from the from the uh roll uh, roll cage. So I have, so my story is I get to Loretto and nobody's there. We're so far behind. There was no pit. There's no support. And there's one guy picking up cans. I'm in my race suit. I studied jujitsu. I'm a

badass, right? Okay. So I go up to this guy and I look at him and he's an older guy. He's in his sixties. I really didn't feel like talking I just said give me your keys he looked at me excuse me I said give me your keys I have an injured driver I need your truck so he reaches in his pocket I was gonna beat his ass I didn't care I was gonna take his truck you're gonna take his truck I have an injured driver on the course so why wouldn't you just ask him to help you yeah I don't know you were just full with adrenaline crazy and I was tired panicked you stay up for three days and go ask some guy for i'm not staying up for three years you stay up

for 36 hours and they go excuse me sir can i'm not english so you just said give me your keys i said give me your keys you're lucky you didn't get shot yeah that's true so he reaches in his pocket and he hands out and he goes can i go with you i'm like sure get in so i grab his i grab his truck and it was a stock Toyota truck, and we go down this riverbed, the riverbed, which was terrible, but it took me two hours to go 13 miles in a stock Toyota truck, little tiny itty-bitty, like a mini truck. We got to Sam Javier, went up, searching for him,

stopping every time that there was a crest, every time that I thought momentum could take a driver off, we'd stop, search, couldn't find him. So two hours, we finally found him. It was still night? Oh, yeah. Was it still night? It was still night.

I found him, and my co-driver had a concussion. He's vomiting. He's peeing. He's peeing, pissing himself because he smelled like shit. Got, picked up my two drivers, went down there, and the scavengers were already starting taking wheels off the car, GPS, anything you can get off the car. They were already doing that while the guys were inside the car? The guys were already there. They got off the top of the, out of the gully, and they were already down there picking.

So I went back down there to get my sat phone and get my other stuff, and I'm like, get the fuck away. I'm shooing the Mexicans away that are already picking this car apart. Wow. And so I get Tracy back in the car And these are stories These happen every That's why it's an adventure race I'm not like I went to the drag strip

And it did nine seconds Right So I got Tracy back in the car Two and a half hours back And we stopped Because he had to vomit Every Like every 15 minutes

Like hold on guys Hold on And he's vomiting Because he's got a concussion Bad concussion So we get him back He's okay We get him in a Loretto

We're in Loretto. We're in Loretto. We got him down to La Paz. And by that time, it was 7, 8 o'clock in the morning. Taken to the emergency room. Probably not advisable, but took him to the emergency room. What's that like? Yeah, I told the doctor in Spanish that he hurt his dick.

And he's got to check his dick. So the doctor, he's got this huge bruise on his head. So the doctor's like, take your pants off. He starts taking his pants off. And then Tracy's going, the sort of guy, he's looking at me, he's like, why is he asking me? I go, I told him you hurt your dick. He's like, God. So how many people have died doing this race? Every year or so, there's probably one motorcycler.

The biggest thing is there's accidents on the highway. It's not actually the race cars that happen, but because the race starts in Ensenada, it goes all the way to La Paz. We race all the way through the day, through the night, into the next day. And usually a lot of the accidents happen there on the highway with the spectator traffic or the chase traffic. Race cars, not too often. Not too often. Motorcycle guys get hurt a lot of the accidents happen there on the highway with with the the spectator traffic or the chase traffic race race cars not too often not too often motorcycle guys get hurt a lot i mean josh barnett hit a motorcycle guy in in uh in 13 or in 12 in 2012 he hit a motorcycle guy but what happened with that well you know it's funny monster energy called me and they said they wanted uh do i know any um any athletes any athletes or superstars that want to come down and race?

Because they were out. I'm like, yeah. So I called Josh. I know he's the ultimate gearhead. And to gearheads, if you say, hey, you want to come race, two weeks notice, never raced off road in his life. I had him in a car. He comes down there like the next week. I put him, we do some training down at Estero Beach, show him how to work in a car, and next thing he's in a race.

Poor fucker. He's like a 19. He was 19 hours. It took him 19 hours to do the first stint, like 300 miles. He's going through a silt bed. There's a motorcycle guy, clips him, and breaks his leg. Now, Josh did one of the most amazing things. I'm not saying that Rob wouldn't do this.

So Josh Burnett, do you know who he is? No. Youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion. Super great guy. Super great guy. I had him on the podcast. He's probably one of the best podcast guests I've ever had. He's a super intelligent guy.

Yeah, he's so smart, heavyweight fighter, amazing grappler, amazing fighter. And he loves cars. He has a Shelby. He's got all kinds of cars. He loves them. He's a fucking nut. So he goes down there into a silt bed, and he wants to get around it, but you don't really have control in the silt bed.

You can hit it. Sometimes you hit a rut, and it throws you right a little bit. He hit this guy and broke his leg, compound fractured his leg. So he gets through the silt bed, and not a lot of guys will do this, by the way. I'm just telling you. It's like for the first time being down there, so he, and he feels like shit. He'll tell you the story. But he pulls off to the side of the course, goes in the silt bed, which is dangerous, by the way, pulls the guy's motorcycle out so no other cars hit it, and then picks the guy up, walks him out,

and puts him on the hood of his car, calls in, waits for a helicopter to come. Helicopter comes. Josh carries this guy with a compound fractured leg into the helicopter, drops him in the helicopter, then puts his helmet back on and continues his race. And then he rolled it. He rolled his truck after all that? Yeah.

There's Josh. Oh, yeah. That's the picture right there. That's his buggy. Monster energy truck. Wow. So you were talking about the dude who raced on flat surfaces and then just gave it up and started doing only this kind of dirt crazy shit. There's not a lot of these courses, though, right?

There's a lot of race courses around the country where the average person can do a track day and put on a helmet and drive fast to run a course. How many courses are there like this where a guy can just go out and— It's unlimited. Baja, there's roads everywhere. Go down there and practice or run or play. You'd have to go to Mexico to do it. There's some stuff in the States. Well, there's a lot of races, by the way.

He does short course. You can gear up in a Pro 2, Pro 4 pretty easy and go short court racing. There's two organizations. There's obviously SCORE and there's a couple other organizations that do them. The Mint 400, which Rob races in. Best in the Desert, Rob races in. I've done some stuff

in Arizona, Nevada. There's a lot of races. So there are a few courses. Are there courses or is it just... Organizations. We build courses. Every off-road race is unique. So now, what if, say, if someone's listening to this and they're like, you know what, I need some

goddamn adventure in my life. Best thing to do is look up score. Score schedules. Score. Score off-road is look up SCORE. SCORE schedules. SCORE. SCORE. SCORE off-road. Not the strip club in New York City. Not SCORE.

I thought that was in Atlanta. Wherever it is. I don't know anything about those places. SCORE International. Yeah, SCORE International. Look it up on the internet. Look at the schedule. Find out where the races are.

Go check one out. There's a lot of other racing organizations that race all over the western United States. There's almost off-road races just about every weekend somewhere in the western U.S. And for some folks, they just go, quote-unquote, off-roading. So they just get a truck and find a spot where they're allowed to drive and just go nutty. Yeah, those are Jeep Adventure guys. The guys go like Moab, and they go real slow, and that's not what we do.

That I don't get. That crawling. Look, I made it up the rock. Dude, I could walk quicker than that, you stupid fuck. Yeah, rock crawling. What's in your truck that you need to get up to the top of the rock with it? That doesn't make any sense to me. No.

Yeah, I don't get the rock crawling. It's slow speed. It's pretty incredible. I did a rock crawling. It was actually rock race. Oh, it's a race. Well, there's different things. I did a rock crawling. It was actually a rock race. Oh, it's a race. Well, there's different things. Rock crawling is one thing.

Racing slow. And then racing slow. But it's pretty wild that when they do the, I think it's the events called King of the Hammers, and you climb up some rocks that you can't even climb with your hands, but you get in this modified, unlimited vehicle that's very expensive on top. It's the same with even bigger tires than we have. They just go right up it like you're actually crawling a little bit. You can't climb it.

No, you can't climb it with your... You can't... It's very hard for you to climb it as a human being, but this car will pull up to it, or this truck, kind of like a Jeep, but it's highly modified. It's the difference between a stock Ford F-150 and a trophy truck. It's like a stock Jeep and an unlimited, I think they call them Ultra Fours.

Yeah. And they're incredible what they'll do. They'll go up incredible rock climbing events. Straight faces. You'll see some of the internet stuff. It is fascinating. It's crazy. But it is slow.

It's racing slow. Well, I guarantee you somebody could climb it, though. Those free climber dudes. Yeah. Like those Alex Arnold guys that go up the those Alex Arnold guys that go up things that aren't even flat. They're like leaning towards you. No, he said you couldn't climb it. I could climb it. Don't fucking test me, bud.

I'll fucking climb it right now, bitch. The industry must be a huge thing, building all these different things. People must be getting involved in this recreationally and building these trucks and taking the regular trucks and adding all this stuff to it. It's just like hot rodding. You have a Geyser, right? Yeah. The Geyser brothers build trophy trucks. Jimco builds trophy trucks. There's probably five or six builders that do trophy trucks.

And then you have all your guys that work out of their own shop, smaller, building their own stuff. So, you know, Bud alluded earlier, there's really no rules. Trophy trucks, the rules are it can't fly. You could have unlimited suspension. It has to have a body, like a truck body, which is fiberglass, and it can't fly. It has to stay on the ground. So it's a unique thing. You can pretty much brainstorm with whatever you can to try to go out there and beat your competition. Well, that's what's innovative about the sport. When you give guys a limited horsepower, limited this, do anything you want. Actually, there is one rule that I'll tell you that I saw, and you'll remember this story really

well. There's actually only one rule that I know of, actually. But you get to, especially in competition, you get to breed the best of the human mind because he's trying to beat this other guy. I'm going to kick his ass. So here's the one rule. 08, 07, I think it was 07, right? This guy named Brian Collins. Swear to God this happened. They took a fueling system off an Apache helicopter, right?

Stuck it off the back of their truck. And they had a fueling truck that would walk up to it while they're moving and jam it in the back of it and refuel it while they're moving. And finally score it. Was that 07, 08? When was that? Yeah, I think it was Mark Miller and Ryan Arciero. Holy mackerel.

And they did it on the highway. They developed a system on a regular chase truck that was following the race truck down the highway. And the fuel was in the bed of the chase truck, and they had a pressurized system that they pulled up while they're going 60 miles an hour down the highway. They pulled up behind the race truck, and it had like a nozzle out the front of it,

and they stabbed it into the nozzle that was on the race truck, and they filled it. Jesus Christ. Yeah, so they could save four minutes. They could save two or three minutes in the pits. You're not even supposed to smoke when you're at a gas station. So I think that's a rule.

It's like no more fueling while you're going down the highway. You're not even supposed to use your cell phone while you're at a gas station because very rarely a spark, an electronic spark, can ignite fumes and you can burst into flames. Like that's happened before yeah and these fucking crazy assholes are going 60 miles an hour filling their car up on the highway i remember what i was with a herps team that year i forgot what it was the herps yeah herps like herpes uh no like terrible herps like in vegas the herps gas stations the herps hotel i don't know what that is i've never heard of that they're pretty big yeah they're they have

the herps hotels right on paradise that's a terrible place to go and stay. I'm sorry for the people who own it. But just the name. Don't be sorry for them. The name. Yeah, we're going to stay at the Herbst. Good luck. I got the Herbst?

Yeah. I got to the Herbst. Shit. You going to be okay? Did you take your medication? Use some antibacterial soap? So, anyway, I was with them. I won't say their name again.

I was with them, and we saw that, and we're all kind of like, that's pretty cool. Did they win that year? Yeah, they did. They won that year because of that. Well, saving time. There's more to it than just that. How many minutes do you think that saved?

Throughout the 1,000-mile race, probably 10 minutes. 10 minutes at a time. Instead of stopping in the pit. And that matters. Absolutely. Now, no one's sleeping. You guys are just driving. Everybody in the race truck, they're driving the whole way.

Some people solo. They drive the whole 1,000-mile race without getting out of the truck. Drive the whole way. I've done that in the past. Do you have a diaper on? They have these catheters. Oh, Christ. Called a piss kit. There've done that in the past. Do you have a diaper on? They have these catheters. Oh, Christ. Called a piss kit.

There's a tube in your dick. That's when your hobby is way out of control. No, it's not that bad. That's what a tube in your dick is. It's actually a catheter, right? It's one of my favorite things. I like having a tube in your dick. No, it's not what it is, but it's the best thing that's ever happened for off-road for me.

It is amazing. It goes over the top like a condom. Oh, like a condom, right. And then a rubber hose connected to the end of that that goes all the way down the inside of your leg and you tape the end of the hose to the side of your shoe so you can piss. So you pee in your shoe. Well, next to your shoe.

It's the best idea. So it's in the truck? Somebody just peeing? Some people have done that though. They don't get the tube out of their shoe before they start racing and they actually find out they're peeing. That's another great story. Ivan Stewart, who's a legend. Do you hang your foot out the window? No, you just pee on the floor.

There's a hole in the floor. We don't have carpet. It's all metal, aluminum down there. There's a hole in the floor? Yeah, there's leaks. There's little panels and stuff. So you just pee on the floor and just hope it goes away somewhere? Yeah.

It does. It does. Well, the best thing is you pull up in the pits and you start peeing. You tell your mechanic, I think I got a leak, and he's down there sniffing it. That's a great story right there right there has happened multiple times, and the one I was going to tell you about is Ivan Stewart, an icon of the sport, was at the start line, and warming his truck up, he's just about ready to go off the start line, and all of a sudden, underneath his truck, there's liquid, and one of his mechanics jumps underneath

her, like, holy shit, what is that? Goes, touches his finger in it, comes up, smells it, and realizes what it is, that Ivan's actually taking a piss. Didn't mean to ruin your story. But for your listeners, by the way, get a catheter. Go online, get a race catheter. The best thing, like in a bar, I did a race. Or a UFC fight. Or a UFC fight. I did this. You don't have to miss anything.

Yeah, but then you get to pee on the ground. Yeah, you can pee in the bar near a drain. It's fine. I was at this blue water race in Arizona one time. It was with Greg Fouts, and we got our ass kicked. We were just putting around. We got stuck a couple times in a stock full. So we actually got to the bar, and we felt like a dick, by the way,

and I had my race suit on because we came in so late, but the bar is going and everybody is there and they're having a celebration. I just kept my catheter on. So I'm just sitting at the bar and I'm like, I get next to somebody and just start peeing. Okay, good. And you're done. You don't have to go. And you just pee on the ground at the bar. Yeah. You son of a bitch.

I can't believe you think that's funny. How dare you? What about the person that owns that bar? You're just peeing in their establishment right on the floor. It costs me $8 for a beer. I don't give a fucking sorry for that guy. So what? He needs to make some money. Somebody has to buy the beer, bring it there. Somebody has to pay to put the refrigerator in and turn it on. Don't feel sorry for him.

Eight bucks? Eight bucks. Don't buy it. So that's what it looks like? Black Cat. That's one of the brands right there. Wow. That is ridiculous.

When you're in a sport, when you have to have a hose taped over your dick, maybe there's a problem with that sport. Rob don't uh rob you don't drink coffee no never never when i was a kid uh my mom dad drank coffee i couldn't stand the smell probably got to early 20s or so realized i'd never had it and said you know what i'm gonna do without it for for my life so i'm a soda guy so you drink sodas Yeah. So that's my fix in the morning. So is that what you get your caffeine from? I mean, like when you're doing a 33 hour run, like you must do some form of stimulant to stay awake. No? Uh, the, the adrenaline that gets going in you when you're winning the race, you know, you get, you get into the night, you typically a ball 1000 starts at 10 o'clock and you'll finish at 2, 3 in the morning.

For me, if we're doing well, about midnight, when you start to get tired, usually you realize you got a chance to win this race, and the adrenaline kicks in and takes you right to the finish. It's when you're having a bad day, lots of troubles, and you're pulling a 36-hour event and you're not capable of winning the race, the adrenaline goes away, and then you need to throw some sodas down to keep it going or some energy drinks. Yeah, I would think that that would get really sketchy when you're dealing with, like, these crazy turns where you really have to be paying attention, and you've been up for 25 hours.

That must be where the real danger lies, no? Yeah, absolutely, and that's, you know, most likely Bud's earlier story with Kenny Bartram and Tracy Jordan when they went off the cliff. I mean, they just got in the car, but I believe they were in that car earlier that same day, right? Yeah. So the Bob Peninsula, the race course is 1,000 miles. The highway is 800 miles. Most likely, they got up in the morning in Ensenada, did a couple stints in the race car, got out.

But they were traveling down the race course, down the highway. And when they got back in it, it was early hours of the morning and dusty, maybe foggy. You've got to remember that every turn could end your race. It may be end your life if you're going too fast, but every turn. So for me, because obviously you can tell I have an issue with paying attention, I think I can't think of anything else, and that's why I always equate it to cage fighting. If you get in the cage and you start thinking about your bills and your check

and they've got this happening, all the bullshit, you're going to get your ass kicked. Right. Same thing down here. The only thing you have to really worry about is you're looking at brush, you're looking at dust, you're looking at power lines, you're looking at all that you're reading the terrain. And that's all that consumes your mind. Because if you don't, you're fucked. Yeah. That's a thing that people need, right? Like I find that I gravitate towards things that require my full, complete attention in the moment, whether it's going to the rifle range and shooting a rifle. You know, like I took my friend Duncan and Chris yesterday.

We went to the rifle range. And it's one of the things that Duncan was saying, like, when you're shooting, you don't think about anything else. Like the moment you're pulling that trigger, your mind is free of all the other nonsense you got going on in your life. Your mind is just concentrating on keeping the reticle, keeping that crosshair on that target, calming your nerves, and then squeezing that trigger and not moving anything else. What is it about us that we need things like that?

Is it the over complex society that we live in i think so i think you know there's with my business your business and all everything we're doing there's text messages and there's fucking facebook and twitter and you got to do all this bullshit and there's so much stuff in there and the thing that i think is different much different than rifles there's consequences of what we do because if we don't if you miss the shot oh hum i missed the shot i'm not writing down rifle don't shoot me but yeah but and what we do if you and i've, oh, I missed the shot. I'm not putting down rifle. Don't shoot me. But, but, and what we do, if you,

and I've done it before, I was like, I, I, you kind of get into a lull, like driving in a snowstorm, you see the snowstorm coming out and you kind of get drive, you kind of drive yourself to a little bit of sleep.

Turn comes up, you're going to go off a cliff. You're going to wreck. You're, someone's going to hit you from behind. You, you know, at the,

the worst it's death. The, the very easiest is you broke your car and you got to sit out there and fix it and you just let your team down. There are teams, he's got 60, 70 people that are on his team and they all worked really hard to get him down there and that pressure's on him not to fuck up.

But isn't it weird that we as human beings have this strange desire to chase danger like that? That like that, that managing danger becomes sort of like a drug fix we're getting. Well, you're a lot deeper human being than I am. This goes back to primal human. We used to go on hunts, right? As guys, we used to go on hunts. We used to like, you stay here. I'm going to go on a hunt. I'm going to chase bear. I'm going to kill the buffalo. I'm going to go to war. I'm going to do these things. And, yeah, I don't know what it is.

You get to a certain part of your life and you've got to start chasing that. You have to have it. Like I don't need to race. I have to race. Well, I think there's certain human reward systems that are set up in our minds and essentially in our DNA. And that we don't fulfill them at all with the average everyday cubicle life. Traffic, cubicle, come home, television, the news bombards you with fucking nonsense from all around the world. And then you go to sleep and start all over again.

And you're missing a lot of shit. And then something comes along like this race where you're fucking jumping around in this crazy fucking truck. You're going 140 miles an hour. And your body's like, finally, something's happening. Yeah. Is that it? It's addiction. Yeah, for me, absolutely.

And when I'm not racing, last year I raced 35 weekends. I took the green flag. That's fucking half. Most of the year. Yeah, I raced. I think I took the green flag over 80 times. What's that mean? Every time, basically, I started a race. I started a race, they threw a green flag.

So I raced over 80 times last year and 35 weekends. Some of these times I take four green flags. Actually, one weekend last year, I took seven green flags over the weekend racing in three different trucks. Disgust earlier, there's multiple classes. In the short course races, there's multiple classes. So I'm addicted to it so much, I go get in any vehicle I can go race. So I race seven times. But when I have a weekend off, I don't know what to do with myself.

So I think I need that adrenaline rush. I need to race. I need to get a checkered flag. I need to win. It's really what my life is about now. It's just become part of your system. Absolutely. And Bud,

you've been, you've been chasing stuff like that all, as long as I've known you. You're always like trying to do some crazy, like charged up thing. It builds your character. I think as a guy, it builds,

it helps you build your character. And I'm, I'm, I'm addicted to drugs. My drug is endorphins and, and adrenaline. And I have to have that. I think it was, I forgot who said it. It might have been Reese Millen or someone like that.

But they said in normal life, you have the guy in the cubicle sitting in New York City. He may have like one close call in his whole entire life or maybe one a year. Down in Mexico, you have nine or ten in a race. I mean, you are close to death a few times. Holy shit. Oh, fuck. I'm glad that didn't happen. You do that over and over. It's scary.

I did a movie in the Raptor. I don't know if you saw it. No, I never saw that. You produced a film about the Ford Raptor right when it was coming out. Is that what it was? It was the launch of it. The launch of it? Yeah, it was the launch of it.

What year was that? Oh, wait. My wife, there was two movies back-to-back I did. There was one time we got stuck, all the guests and I got stuck. You remember the scene? I took a tow strap, pulled it to the front of the thing, walked across and hooked it to my friend's truck. Some idiot in the trophy truck.

Wasn't me. ran over my strap like right where i was whoa i mean because you know what you're you're in this blinding silk bed i don't think he didn't try to kill me he's blinding silk bed he knows if he slows down he just sees a hole there's a truck and there's a guy i'm gonna go right between it and i'm like oh my god that was very close really close so i that was a scene in our movie and my wife is like uh yeah you're not doing that anymore it happens quite often because she saw it oh wow well my wife one last story so my wife why in in 2012 when i won my race i called my wife i'm excited i won one race rob's run 220 races more than anybody in the planet i won one race i called my wife at races, more than anybody in the planet. I won one race. I called my wife at 5 o'clock.

I said, honey, we won. I've been chasing for nine years. She said, good, you can quit. And she hung up on me. I got no play at all. I was so excited. I want to call my mom. I want to call my wife.

I want to be like, hey, guess what? I did this. She's like, yeah, that's nice. You can quit now. Yeah, it's hard for some people to relate to that need to be charged up and do nutty things like that, right? Yeah, I think so. I mean, for me, it's all about winning championships, winning races, and I can't get enough of it.

Well, so many people try to live their life safe. They try to do just the opposite. They're looking for the softest cushion to sit on. They're looking for the easiest job. They're looking for the longest amount of time off. They're looking for the cushiest existence.

That's not living. You've got to get out there and experience life. You've got to live it. Yeah, I agree. But, I mean, there's like these two schools of thought when it comes to people. There's people that try to seek out adventure and thrills and have all these wild experiences in their life. And there's people that have zero desire to do that. See, Joe and I, we have a disease.

We have like a dinner party disease that we share. Like I can't talk to those people because I seek out. Like I do deep sea dives on shipwrecks and I'll try to go to this not because I think I'm a badass because I'm pushing myself. I always want to push myself. I have to do something to train for. So when I go to talk to people like regular people or people that are boring as shit, I sound like an idiot and I have nothing to say to them. Because you try to do what we just did here, and Rob's got a million of them.

You try to tell them an adventure story in Baja, like I hit a jump at 120 and I jumped this, or I accidentally hit this guy on a bike. They think you're crazy. Yeah. There's certain people that it's too time-consuming trying to explain your motivations behind certain things. I try to think of what's the least thrilling thing that i do that i could sort of like tell people that i do

like what do you what do you what do you do for a living uh do a radio show on the internet like i say that like i'll leave out the ufc i'll leave out stand-up comedy like i don't want it's just this ain't the bridge between us is too far. There's no room there. Some folks just don't want any thrills. They want no thrills. They want nothing dangerous. They want just everything to be spelled out for them. They want two weeks paid vacation, and they want to make sure that they can retire when they're 65.

And they're already ready to die. They've got it all set up. You betcha. You betcha. You betcha. You betcha. So, Rob, what's the best story for Baja? Because I told my crazy story, but you have better stories. Well, you know, actually I think I've been honestly fortunate enough

when I started going to Baja, I went with Walker Evans and people that had tons of experience down there, and they kind of helped minimize those stories for me. Um, you know, one of the early days racing class one, single buggy, single seater, only one person in there down there after San Javier, where you're talking about earlier, had a flat tire and got out to change that tire and had a, you know, the motors running in the buggy and, and you can't hear anybody around you. There's typically, there's no, I thought I was in the middle of nowhere. And all of a sudden, somebody came up, tapped me on the back of the shoulder,

scared the crap out of me. Things like that. I don't, you know, crashing. I've done multiple crashes all over the place, wadding stuff up, breaking my collarbone. The crazy story is I guess, you know, I don't have the wild ones. The reason why is I think that I go down there prepared. I'm there to win.

I really minimize all that stuff and haven't had a lot of crazy stuff happen. Did you get involved in other motorsports first? Were you involved in regular racing first? Yeah, I started racing motorcycles when I was 8, 9, 10 years old. Jesus Christ. You were racing motorcycles as an 8-year-old. Yeah, got involved in doing that. My dad was involved in doing off-road racing in the early 70s when I was on motorcycles. And then when I turned 16 years old, we got into racing buggies,

doing the Mint 400, stuff like that. And I quit my senior year of basketball. It was the dumbest thing I ever did. I should have played it through. But I fell in love with off-road racing and then just made it my hobby there for a few years and then and got lucky enough to get picked up by uh people like Ford Motor Company BF Goodrich Tires and I ended up making a career out of it so um I've been doing uh doing this for a living for over 20 years and and like Bud said we've won you know over 200 races on BF Goodrich Tires I'm actually about 280 total wins in off-road since 82, over 20 championships. If you had to stop and you had to go and live an office job, like if someone came along and BF Goodrich said, look, we're taking you out of the fucking heat. It's just, it's too crazy.

We're going to give you a nice cushy job. Stop. Six figure salary. Nice house. Yeah. At this point, I can't even imagine that. You know, I think about that, you know, every once in a while, what am I going to do when this is over and i don't know i don't even know what i'm gonna do but you know hopefully go to work with somebody like bf goodrich or um you know my family owns a an off-road buggy shop in vegas doing stuff like that but um you know i don't plan on quitting anytime soon it's what i know you know it's it's almost all i know i mean i have it's my hobby it It's my job. It's my life. Who's the oldest guy that can do it?

You were saying that Newman did it when he was 80? Yeah, he did a race when he was 80. What a fucking animal he was. And Ivan Man Stewart did it. He did it in his 60s. Walker Evans, Larry Ragland, some of the best in the sport had their most success in their 50s, which I haven't got there yet.

Because you calm down. Yeah. You calm down. There's a thing in racing called red mist. Red mist will get you hurt. Like Jesse James goes down there all the time, and he generally wads it up in the first 100 miles, talking shit about Jesse James.

Because he just goes crazy? No, because people misunderstand the race. I mean, he knows more about the race than I do, but they misunderstand the race. They think in the first hundred miles, I've got to beat everybody. The analogy that I have is that when they put their helmet on, they throw their brains out the window.

And I did that when I was young. Crash a lot of stuff, ruin cars, but over time, you learn that's not how you win the race. You basically go as slow as you possibly can to win. You have to keep an eye on your competition. You go through the pitch, get split times, find out how you're doing, but as long as you possibly can to win. You have to keep an eye on your competition. You go through the pitch, get split times, find out how you're doing.

But as long as you're close to winning the race, you're doing a good job. When you get down to the end, it's typically only you and a couple other guys that are racing for the win. All those other 20, 30 guys in your class, they're broke or they're having problems. How many people are racing? Like when they say, ready, set, go. How many people fucking... 150.

On all the classes, 150 to 350. Depends on which race. Like the thousands, like 300 to 350 people. Vehicles. Vehicles, yeah. So 350 vehicles all together. How does it set? I mean, how many lanes are you dealing with here?

When they start the race, they send one truck or one buggy at a time, usually every 30 seconds apart. We're racing the clock. We're out there racing on the track at the same time. You do have to come up and bump those guys, move them out of your way if they're slower than in front of you. But we're racing the clock. they're slower than in front of you. But we're racing the clock, and as you get down the course, the bikes start usually, the bikes, the quads, the UTVs, they start about three hours in front of the first four-wheel vehicle, but we end up catching those guys.

And that's where it becomes really sketchy, and sometimes where these, you know, Bud's story earlier when Josh hit the bike guy. That's because the bikes can't do certain things that the trucks can do. Well, some of them can. Well, some of them can. But a lot of the, especially in Mexico, a lot of the bike guys are sportsmen. And when you're doing a long race like a Baja 1000, it becomes more, the bike guys, you know, they get used up quicker. And the trucks, you're sitting in the seat, you have, you know, you don't have air conditioner, but you got, you know, you can have snacks, you can have food, you can have water as you're racing down the course. The bike guy have air conditioner, but you can have snacks. You can have food. You can have water as you're racing down the course.

The bike guy, it's just him in a small light. I talked earlier about how the lights on our trucks are like a stadium. They have one light. We have 14 to 20 lights on our trucks. That makes sense. So it's a lot different. Yeah, fuck, that must be scary, driving a motorcycle fast like that. Yeah, they think of baseball stadiums behind them sometimes.

Yeah, they hear a trophy truck behind them. Some of the guys, the smart ones, oh, they freak out baseball stadiums behind them sometimes i hear a trophy truck behind them some of the guys the smart ones oh they freak out they look behind them like oh shit and they get off the road and the trophy codes are blown by them because they don't want to get run over i mean there's a lot of a lot of accidents with the bike guys and their score is doing a lot of things to to mitigate that at this point they're starting them later we're gonna start on the night before and stuff like that oh okay for me there's an interesting thing for me i was gonna tell you. I'm known, you know me for a long, long time. I'm known kind of a crazy jackass

that doesn't do this. When I'm going down the races, you talked about the catheter. There's an interesting thing that happens to me in my psyche. I'm wearing a fire suit. I have my catheters on. I have a fireproof underwear. I put my helmet on. I got my knife in my pocket so I can cut my seatbelts off

if anything else happens. I start doing all this stuff. I'm like, holy shit, I'm doing something pretty serious and I calm down. I have problems with my sponsors who hang out with me

and they're like, you're going to fucking wreck. You're a crazy, like, wacky idiot who's going to wreck the car. So they don't, they're not managing

this craziness well. What do you mean? That's what it is. Well, like well yeah some people just don't some people just can't like look at all the different variables look at all the craziness and just settle in okay this is what we're doing now yeah some people and it's hard the red mist comes in like you you're some and i've getting i get caught up sometimes too because i had a guy pull behind me one time a french guy told me he's gonna kick my ass if i don't move i said we'll stop the car i'll stop the car and get out i don't care we'll stop right in the middle of course you're gonna kick my ass fucking french french they gave us these fries and now they got ass get out of my way i'll kick your ass that's what he's saying

yeah on the radio i'm like fuck you get out of the way i'll kick your ass yeah and i know what he's doing he's freaking out going and he's in this race, and you just got to pace yourself. You got to be calm. It's hard not to get caught up in the beginning when guys are banging on you. Like, they're hitting you. I don't understand. Some people hit you. Hard.

They just ram into you. Ram into you. To try to get you out of the way. Yeah, they don't even care. They don't honk. You just drive all of a sudden, boom. And it's like being rear end of the 405 at 60 miles an hour. You're like, holy shit. Yeah, the off-road tracks are one lane. It's not like five lanes on the 405. It's one lane.

So to pass that guy, you come up there, you hope he moves out of the way. Typically, he doesn't really want to. So you got to come up there and bump him. And sometimes people get out of control and they hit you really hard. They try to move you off the track. Especially if it's a jackass like these guys who have actually had a bad day. So this is the problem I have, right? So they've had a bad, I'm having a good day, right? So I'm in front of my class. He's had a bad day in a trophy truck. He's got 900 horsepower, 105 gallons of fuel. He's fucking pissed off. He's tired. He's not happy anymore. And he's trying to make up time. And then, and there's me and my buggy.

We don't want to deal with these slow guys. We want to get done. We want to get to the finish line. And the dust that he's kicking up makes the trophy truck guy pissed off, and it's like, you don't deserve to be here. Get out of my way. And by the time you get to him, you give him a little love. Oh, a little love.

That's the bump. That's the bump. Oh, yeah. And how many guys get fucked up because of that? I mean, it seems like that would be one of the reasons why a lot of guys wreck. Well, a lot of the cars, they're built to take that. It's in the DNA of off-road. That's kind of how

we pass. You come up there, you bump the guy. You bump into each other. You tag him. That's normal. I caught you. Now you move out of the way and let me go by. That's what we do. What kind of bumpers do you guys use? They're chromoly tubing. Huge chromoly tubing. So they're designed to take a good impact. Yeah, but you would pull over.

Notice how I had a fucking... Exactly. Like a 1950s dad. Give it a little of this. But if you were in the accident, if you were on the 405, if someone hit you that hard, you'd pull over and call the cops and grab your neck and go, whoa, that was an impact.

It's part of the game. It's part of the game. It's part of the game. Wow. That's crazy. It seems so bizarre. It just seems so crazy that part of it is just ramming into you while you're going X amount of miles an hour. Right.

It's normal. It's not normal. It's normal in that world. In that world, it's normal. Fucking human beings are so crazy in that way. We just find normalcy in the fact that, well, this is what happens when you do this. And then all rules, all decor, all normal rules of behavior go out the window when you're racing in a Baja and you're pissing through your fucking shoe. Well, I think there's a very weird,

something in the psyche I can tell you from me. Once you've figured this out and you've done the organization and you've gone to your catheter, to your knife, you've got your chase team, you've got your field, once you've organized an successful race campaign like he has, then regular life in business is not that hard, right? You actually get out of a race. Then actually you sometimes get a little short with stupid people.

You're like, really? You just had to go to the store and pick up a six-pack and come back. Was it that fucking hard? Because what we do, there's so many consequences. He can tell a guy, and this is actually how it goes, too. He's like, I need you to go to the PEMEX station, which is the gas station in Mexico. Be there at 1 o'clock with some extra tires that I may need when I get out. That's what you tell the guy.

And it's 800 miles away. And you don't see that guy until, you know, 12 hours from there. And that guy is sitting there. It is logistics crazy. And you surround yourself with the people who know, have a common goal. Your logistics are all put out. I mean, if you need anything down there, you know where it's at. And you come back to the States and, like, some of your employees or someone like that can't handle two simple instructions,

you're like, that guy would die down in Mexico. Well, it's just that the stakes are higher, the pressure is higher, and everyone's tuned in. Everyone's tuned in. Everyone has a goal. You want to surround yourself with the people who have been down there to Mexico. It's two-lane highways, very dangerous. There's not streetlights. Very rarely there's a yellow line dividing the center lane. You've got to have the right people. It's a very dangerous thing. It is. It's a logistics nightmare

to plan out a race. I always say to people if I would spend as much effort that I do off-road racing and putting the team together and the logistics in a regular business i'd have a lot of money instead i race a trophy truck and i don't have much money oh yeah no this makes ups look like i don't know this is like real logistics yeah but would it be any more exciting i mean a lot of money would it wouldn't be worth it you know like there's a lot of people that have a lot of money that we know that are just miserable as fuck.

They're all on antidepressants, and they're always constantly in and out of relationships, and their life is a fucking holy wreck of failure and catastrophe, but they're financially successful. Because they're not challenging themselves. I think it has to do with challenging yourself. Yeah, I think you're right. I think there's something about being uncomfortable that provides you with a certain sense of well-being.

I don't know what it is, but I was hunting in Montana last year, and we were talking about employees doing things. And this show Meat Eater has these guys that work for it. I mean, I don't know what they get paid, but I'm sure they don't get paid much. And these guys are working 24 hours a day for the six, seven days that we're there. They're sleeping on the ground. It's fucking zero degrees outside. They're huddled up and sleeping back. They get up before everybody else because they have to start the coffee. They have to fire up the campfire and, you know, have a job where someone doesn't want to fucking clean the restroom. Someone doesn't want to take out the garbage. A normal job where you show up at 9 and you leave at 5 and try getting people to work throughout the day for what this guy gets paid to be 24 hours a day in Montana, sleeping on the ground, freezing their dick off.

But that's what he's doing.. But that's what he's doing. Like, that's what he's doing. And in that world, you know, he becomes a part of that production. Like, this is what I'm doing now. And this guy that you're calling and saying, hey, you know, go 800 miles, get some fucking tires, meet us there. Like, that's what that guy's doing. And he's there. And he's there.

Yeah. And you said, I mean, production, like last year, I have a group. We's what that guy's doing. And he's there. And he's there. Last year, I have a group and we did the F-150 thing. They called it My Production Guys. You've been around production for a while. My guys were up for 54 hours straight. And they called themselves the 54 hour crew. We filmed this whole special for

ESPN and then they were filming my whole special for Ford and they were up for 54 hours. Not a complaint. They didn't hit me for overtime they're like that was amazing and you just got to surround and i don't care about the overtime you've got to surround yourself with people like i didn't know my race is going to be that effing long i mean we just happened to be you know we took 42 hours to do it these guys do it in 19 or something like that but you you surround yourself with those people and i was going to say something about our support staff Our chase crews are amazing

Because we have volunteers Like my brother comes out every year It's something my brother and I can do now Their chase crews are amazing Because most of them are volunteers They're going to come down there They'll drive in dangerous roads They won't sleep at night

They'll be up for 36 hours and eat beef jerky And it's cold as shit And they are always there It's miserable, they hate it while it's happening yep but in the end you're you get home you get rested up and you all the great stories come out and you love it you want to go back and do it again yeah it's that just that different level of life it's like when you're out there doing the race you're out there doing some wild crazy shit like that it's like everything's elevated you're more tuned in you, you're out there doing some wild, crazy shit like that, it's like everything's elevated.

You're more tuned in. You're more aware of your surroundings. You're not inundated by cell phones and text messages and emails. They don't even work, actually. I have one phone and maybe a sad phone. I don't even return. I'm like, I'm gone. Once you go to Mexico, you call. Go into Mexico.

Be down there. See you when I get home. And that's part of it too, right? Part of it too is like the disconnect. Unplug. Unplugging and then recharging your brain and being out there and the desolate surroundings going 140 miles an hour over bumps. There's another side of it too that gives you appreciation. I have a kid now, but I know my brother says it too.

You're down there and you also see the people, how they live. There are kids, amazing kids, and they live in chicken coops, right? The blue chicken coop down by Ojos. They live in chicken coops. I'm not kidding. I'm saying it's a blue chicken coop. That's what it is. And there's kids, and I actually call, this is my own little story,

but the kids that never grow up always come out of Ojos. So there's a little road. After you turn down the blue gate, on the right-hand side, always come out of Ojo. So there's this little road. After you turn down the blue gate, on the right-hand side, there's a blue chicken coop. And it looks like every year for 10 years, the same kids come out. They never get older. They don't have shoes. They're smiling.

We hand them stickers. I stop them, I give them candy. I talk to them. He signs autographs. You take pictures. You go back the next year, they look the same age. Yeah. And they,

and they live, Joe, I'm telling you, chicken coop. I can draw it for you, right? It's a, it's a fucking chicken coop.

It looks like it's, it's a chicken coop, but it's not funny, but you appreciate, you come back and sometimes you look at your kids and other people's kids and be like, you have no idea. How easy you have it.

Yeah. And then sometimes those kids in chicken coop will go to the dump and that's where they, they find metal and they find scrap and they take the aluminum cans and they get their money. And they you have it. Yeah, and then sometimes those kids and chickens will go to the dump, and that's where they find metal and they find scrap, and they take the aluminum cans and they get their money. And they're happy, too. They're happy. They're not negative. They're not pissed off. They have no shoes. And, you know, the Baja

racers do a lot for the community down there. I mean, sometimes they'll build orphanages. I mean, a lot of the Baja guys get touched by what happens down there and the people down there, and they go give back. Because you can't help but, you know, you can't help but go to these, it's a third world country in a lot, a lot of ways, not Cabo and stuff like that, but the places where we go and you, you get affected by it. You get to see the other world and you do appreciate what we have. Our kids will never appreciate it because you know, they have 500

shoes. These kids have no shoes. Seriously, no shoes in the living chicken coops with a sheet on the front door. Yeah, I've been, I've driven into Mexico, out past Tijuana into some really sketchy areas. And you get to see these people that are living in these houses that are essentially like cardboard boxes with no windows and you know you see these small villages of places like that and it really puts it into perspective and even more weird that that's connected to the united states which is one of the richest countries on earth it's just you just drive it's like same landmass just keep going and you go from southern california where the fucking kardashians live and you see a rolls California, where the fucking Kardashians live,

and you see a Rolls Royce in your neighborhood, and then a couple hours drive, and then all of a sudden you're in a third world country where no one has shoes. There's a vantage point. You go through the gate of Tijuana, you take a right, and you go up this hill, and there's a marsh.

So you're in Tijuana, and you're right. You have the cardboard boxes, and you look off to your right, and there's a $20 million beach house sitting there and you can see it. Imagine waking up every day. You're up on this hill in Tijuana. No running water. Everything's happening.

You look over. There's a $20 million beach house. It's mind blowing. Who puts it? Is it a Mexican? No, it's in San Diego. States. Yeah.

Yeah. So you can see San Diego. Yeah. You come up on this hill. You can see. Look off to the right. There's San Diego in 20. It's right there. Yeah. That come up on this hill, you can see, look off to the right, there's San Diego. It's right there.

Yeah, that is fucking bananas. La Jolla, like those houses in La Jolla. We used to do the comedy store and we'd look at La Jolla. I mean, they have palaces. These palaces overlooking the ocean. And the most incredible affluent community. Everyone's driving around in these expensive European cars. And you're 20 minutes away

from Tijuana. 20 minutes. That's fucking crazy. That's like from here driving to Van Nuys. Except you're driving to one of the worst spots. One of the worst border towns on earth. But the people are

amazing. The people help us. They do so much for us. Their food's pretty fucking badass too. Mexico's not a... Absolutely. Oh yeah. You know how to fucking throw down. Tacos.

Shrimp. Everything. Lobster. Lobster tacos. Where's the lobster tacos at? Lobster tacos. I forgot where those at. Mama's tacos.

Mama Espinosa's. Yeah. Mama Espinosa's lobster tacos are amazing. I can never get to stop there because I'm using a car. Now do any Mexicans race? Absolutely.

There's a lot of people that live in Mexico that join in on this. Have they ever won it? Oh, yeah. No, actually, Tavo Villadosa won. He's part of the Red Bull team. On the 50th anniversary, no, I'm sorry. It was the Mexican independence. Yep.

Him and his father, Gus, won it. And they're from Tijuana. They're from that area. And there's also Juan Carlos Lopez. There's a lot of Mexican teams. I mean, Mexican teams get a little resources. They go race. And by the way, they don't race trophy trucks, which they do.

There's a couple trophy truck teams, but they'll race Volkswagens. They'll race everything you could possibly get. So you were talking about the French guy that wanted to kick your ass. Is that a guy from France that came over just to race in this? Yeah. There's usually guys from 150 countries. People from all over the world come. Japanese guys come down there. I mean, everybody all over the world come to Baja 1000. It's that much of a spectacle. You have to be, I don't know, live in a cave for 800 years not to hear the Baja 1000. Wow. And people from all over the world come. Yeah. Because I've seen, like, in Europe,

I know they do a lot of rally car races, and they use Porsches. Like, Porsche has a lot of rally cars where they drive on dirt roads. Yep. But do they have this kind of thing as well? In other countries? Yeah.

No, rallies are big everywhere. Yeah, like this kind of rally, like this kind of, like, crazy modified truck. They do Dakar, which is a little bit different race. It's rallies big everywhere. Yeah, like this kind of rally, like this kind of crazy modified truck. They do Dakar, which is a little bit different race. It's a stage race. Dakar used to be really from Paris to Dakar. It was Paris-Dakar was the name of it, and now that's in South America through Brazil and Argentina and Chile.

Have you raced Dakar yet? No. Yeah, Dakar is a famous race. I mean, it's a very famous race. And we score. Raj and I have been talking to Saudis to try to bring a race over there. We've met with China. Raj met with China to try to bring a race over there.

We are going to try to expand what score is going to do and try to bring it to other countries. I would think it would be a no-brainer for, like, Saudi Arabia or any of those places where all those rich oil people love to do crazy shit like drift cars. Yep. Like, you've seen those videos, those drifting videos. Oh, yeah. From Arab countries. Dubai is real big right now on the sand buggies. We need to get them into off-road.

Well, Roger's talking to them. We can get them over there. They have an F1 race. You know, the obvious idea is getting all, you know, get all the trophy truck teams, come over there, put them on a ship, get everybody there, and go race. What's the sand buggies? Like, it's a lot lighter buggy than what we race in off-road, Put them on a ship, get everybody there, and go race. What's the sand buggies? It's a lot lighter buggy than what we race in off-road,

and they basically just go to the sand dunes. They're specific built for sand duning. They have 1,000 horsepower. They do wheelies up the hill, down the hill, and over in Dubai, I guess that's a big thing going on right now. Recreational craft. Not races, just recreational craft. Yeah, they're just having fun. What is it about people that, you know, like the moment someone invented cars,

look at these guys are drifting. Why is that exciting to go sideways, by the way? I have no idea. It's a feeling of being out of control that gets cutting the most people out of control. Out of control while in control. That looks like that's on an open freeway almost. Yeah. No, it looks like it is.

That doesn't seem like a smart move. Well, I've seen some fucking horrific crashes too. Oh, yeah. I've seen some of those Arab drifting crashes where cars are flipping and bodies are flying out. But the moment people invented cars, how long before the moment a car was invented before people decided to fucking race them?

When the second car was built. Probably, right? No, I promise you. When the second car was built probably right no promise you when the second car was built henry ford based the whole industry our whole industry the first auto race was in in chicago but our whole industry is based on auto racing it's it's there's an it even goes past the 60s it's back when henry ford he raced henry ford raced dusenberg raced all these guys raced to prove out edelbrock who's an aftermarket guy but he raced they all the thing in our industry is race on Sunday, sell on Monday. So I'm going to go out. Ford built his cars. I'm going to go out and win this race. Indianapolis 500 is based on manufacturers racing. Who's got the fastest car? Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about that

once where they were talking about planned obsolescence, like planned, like that there's certain technology that's available today that you're not going to see in cell phones or televisions because they want it to be obsolete a year from now. And he was trying to make the argument about automobiles, that they do that, that they can make the best car, right? And I'm like, you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about

because what they're doing right now is they're racing cars and then they develop that technology based on those race cars and that trickles down into the consumer aftermarket cars or consumer cars. The Corvette program is the number one to look at, right? So Corvette is the longest running sports car in America, longest built. It's never went out of production. And their race program, the transfer of technology, I did a whole documentary series on Corvette launching the C6. And the whole thing was transfer technology. I did a whole documentary series on Corvette launching the C6, and the whole thing was transfer technology.

If they develop a, you know, you do the R&D, which is the hard part, right, which is what Rob does for his trucks, and they start looking and poking around. You do the R&D in your race, and you make that C6 Corvette R, which is called C6 Corvette R, now it's C7 Corvette R. They race those teams. Pratt & Miller builds them. And then there is a Chevrolet engineer, and I know them, on the race team, looking at stuff, checking camber, checking

brakes, checking aerodynamics, checking everything. And that technology transfers to your car, which is why Corvette is still one of the most dominant cars out there. For $70,000 you can get, just because they invest in that technology. And that new one is incredible. That Stingray is pretty badass. That is an incredible car. It's beautiful looking. I saw one the other day. I thought it was a Ferrari.

Same here. I told my son, I go, check out that Ferrari. He goes, that's a Corvette. I'm like, oh, you're right. Sorry. It looks like a European high-end, top-end car. And the interior is nice now, too, finally. They figured out a way to make a car that doesn't look like a piece of shit

with a fucking Impala steering wheel. I mean, they used to have these dogshit interiors. Same thing the Viper did. I did a documentary on rebuilding the Viper. Ralph Shields from SRT Motors, he did the same thing. They race, they learn stuff from racing, they put it in there, but the new Viper is amazing looking. What's a better car, the new Viper or the new Corvette?

Depends. The price points are much different. For the money, the Corvette has to be. The price point on the Viper is $110,000, $115,000. The Corvette, you can take the roof off, too. That's pretty dope. The Corvette's pretty cool. Yeah, look at that thing.

I mean, they fucking nailed it, man. Yeah, but see, all the hood vents, all the brake ducts, all that stuff is all developed from racing. It's all functional. Yeah. It's not nonsense. It's not just something to look at, which, you know, cars have had in the past. We're at a weird time right now in automobiles because there's so much power. Great time.

Great time. But so much power in the cars you could buy on the showroom floor. When they have the Shelby GT500, 660 plus horsepower. Right at the, walk from the showroom, pay the guy your money, get in the car, and you have a 660 plus horsepower car with a live rear axle. And you're stomping on the high. What? I mean, it's insane.

Zero to 60 in three seconds in a fucking car that you can just drive off a showroom floor. And in the 60s, it used to be 280 horsepower, 330. The Boss 302 came out. I was like, oh, it's got 320 horsepower. That's nuts. Smoke you. And I've actually driven an old 302, and I actually test drove the new 302 on a test track at Ford. It's unbelievable.

Parnelli Jones said the same thing. He's like, if we were racing Laguna Seca, Parnelli and I, he's like, if I had that car, it would be easy. Well, the new 302, are you talking about the Laguna Seca one or the one that hasn't come out yet? Yeah, Parnelli and I were test driving the Laguna Seca. That's an incredible car. That car got overlooked a lot by people it did because first of all the stripes and everything were a little whack like the way they were painting it but everybody wants the bigger engine everybody

wants the you know the 550 horsepower shelby now the 668 horsepower shelby but that 440 horsepower laguna seca was the perfect balance. Front end to rear end. There it is right there. Yeah, with suspension. That's the Boss 302, right? Yeah, that's the Boss 302. No, that's the Boss 302. And you're talking about Laguna Seca with the red rims and everything. Yeah,

it had the front air, the front spoiler, the race spoiler with the pipes coming off of it. They just figured out a way to make cars that have horsepower that would be a fucking super exotic car just 20 years ago just 20 years ago if you wanted to buy a car that had 400 horsepower i mean you're spending 100 grand you're spending 150 grand you know you're buying you know the topof-the-line Porsche 911 Turbo or something like that. Or a crazy Lamborghini that's $300,000.

Now you're buying a fucking Mustang GT. Yep. I mean, it's bizarre. Bizarre time. It's good. It's very good. But the amount of power and responsibility that comes with having one of these, you just hand it off to some fucking 17-year-old kid.

Merry Christmas, you little fuck. Here's your key. Well, they've also improved brakes, traction control. Actually, I have big issues with traction control, stuff like that, because you do hand that guy a 700-horsepower car, and then you really unfuck everything for him, right? If he gets a little squirrely. The car fixes it for him.

Yeah, the car fixes it. Stability management. Yeah, it starts braking for you. You don't have throttle cables anymore. You've got drive-by wire, and you can hit wide-open throttle, but the drive-by wire, the brain tells you, no, no, no, you don't want full throttle because you're just going to spin the tires. I was racing at Road Atlanta in a Corvette, a C6 Corvette,

and they have this turn 11 that comes off, and your car gets airborne. And every time I get airborne, I'd land, the car would shut off. Like, okay, idiot, whatever you're doing, you got to stop because that's not good. We're not supposed to have four. It would shut off. It would go into limp mode, shut off. I go, brrrr, I go around the corner.

What if you had to fucking maneuver away from something? Well, the engine would go into limp mode. It would shut down. I'd nail the throttle. There's no throttle. It would go into four-cylinder mode, limp mode, until I got halfway through the straight.

I would go, and I couldn't shut the damn thing off. That's retarded. Yeah. That's terrible. But now they're developing them with sport mode and other modes where you can do it. You can flip a switch, too,

on a lot of these. Yeah. Well, the other problem is, I don't know if this is true, but what people are really worried about is that someone is going to be able to have kill switches where they could shut your car off, like remotely. Like, say if you're running from the cops or something like that. They're doing it already.

They have that. It's OnStar. OnStar does that? Yeah. Yeah, OnStar. You can shut your car off like that. Like, Joe Rogan just stole my Cadillac. I'm driving down the road. Can you please shut it off bing really yep can you pull that

shit out can you unplug all that stuff probably that's probably wired in it's definitely wired in but that's something you can't retroactively you can't take like an old corvette stingray like a 1970 stingray and just take all those modern components and have the same sort of experience that you would have driving a C7 Corvette, but no OnStar. No nonsense. Oh, yeah, I'm sure you could pull it. Can you?

But you couldn't have the traction control, right? You couldn't. Could you figure out a way to put a computer and have all that? There's enough. There's enough. You know, tuners and builders are amazing. They can have the traction control in it. Sure.

Because that's what a lot of people want to do now, right? I mean, that's another show that you're doing, right? Resto Mods? Resto Mods, yep. Resto Mods are the thing where you take an old car and you put all new suspension, new components. That's very attractive to people. Tim Allen's got one.

He's got a 69 Camaro, and it's got all new C7 Corvette suspension, wheels, everything in it. You can look it up. It's green. It's beautiful. You pop the hood. You know, like some of the stuff you in cars, you and I were looking at it. It's unbelievable.

And he drives that around? Yeah. You could drive it everywhere. Yeah, drive it everywhere. It starts like a Corvette. You can start it from the remote. Boom, 69 Camaro. Just start it up.

It's a cool car. What about the interior? Does it look like a new Corvette, or is it like an old school interior as well? It's an old school interior. Wow. Pull's a cool car. What about the interior? Does it look like a new Corvette or is it like an old school interior as well? It's an old school interior. Wow. Pull that up, man. Let me see this. Yeah, it was built by Bodie Stroud built it. Okay, I've heard that name before, right? Yep, I've told you about it.

Yeah. This is a video of it here. Is this it? It's Tim Allen and Jay Leno. Hey. Wow. Jay Leno's Garage. Hey, everybody. Oh, wow. I mean, it really is a sleep Leno. Hey. Wow. Jay Leno's garage. Hey, everybody. Oh, wow. I mean, it really is a sleeper. Yeah.

That's crazy. That's a Corvette. Turn the volume up. Let me hear what he has to say about this. This one here belongs to a real car guy, Tim Allen. Tim, come on in, buddy. Shitty wheels. Wow.

Good to see you. What an introduction. Stock sucks. Good to see you. Comedian, actor, best-selling author, and car guy. Car guy. Yeah, movie star. Yes.

But most of all, car guy. This is a beautiful Camaro. You know, I've been looking at it. When it first pulled in, I went, oh, a 68 Camaro. But then I look, and there's all these subtle little changes, just the kind of things that I like. Those aren't stock wheels. They're way wider. The rims are, but they're the ones that go on their stock.

The deal was a kid named Tom Sherwood used to race one of these on Woodward when I was a kid. Green, this car, stock 327, it's one of those things, just a great bullet. It ran circles around any other car. I loved that car, loved racing with him. No console. It was the low-end one, wasn't the SS. So I redid that, and I always liked Smokey Unik, the Trans Am car that he made and every time I saw one, I think one of the Elderbrock family has it now, and I'd

see it race in these classic car races and go, there's something about that car, not the fact that it's Trans Am lowered. And he shaved two inches off the rake of the hood, took off the drip rails, which I don't have on. They, right. They're natural flares, which they don't have. They're not all buttoned up. A lot of my time with the ball-peen hammer, Jay, you know me, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Right, right. And then I decided in those days, in Woodward days, they had Copos.

Right. Which is, what is it? Central Office Production Order. You could put it on your order, and if you did the right sequence, GM would put a truck motor in cars. What they did that time was a 427. Yeah. And they put 427s in very few Camaros, and now they're, what, you know, 800 grand or something.

Right. Well, what that means is GM did not want their big engine from the Corvette in the Camaro. Right. Because it meant people would buy it. I like that they're in Jay Leno's Bugatti room. Is that what that is? Yeah. That room is all for his Bugattis. You could special order a car with the big engine, and that's what these had. So I

changed the name to that. That's the name. It's a 427 Copo. That's just what I called it, and we did some great little name tags. All this kind of stuff is details that I like. Rally wheels that aren't wheels at all. I mean, it's not a wheel like the old days. Disc brakes have to fit underneath these. Sure, you've got to make them bigger. Were they 17s? Yes. Yeah, I mean, that's what I like, you know.

I like it when someone does a period car. I hate it when all of a sudden they have 22-inch dubs on it. Right. It just doesn't look right to me. Well, you know this town, you hit a pothole, and I'm sitting at the side of the road. I've got to have a, because I drive these things. Right.

Well, that's a beautiful-looking wheel. I mean mean that's a custom wheel you cannot buy that was made specifically for this vehicle. Number one, I really wanted black wheels with hubcaps. That's how Copos came. Right. They didn't come with rally wheels. So I have a set of black wheels that I want. Bumpers I put back on it. All the trim went back on it. Stock mirrors put back on it. No console, none of that stuff. Well that's what I love. It's really a beautiful, beautiful car. See if you can get a video of the inside of it. I want to see what they did to the inside of it, if you get images.

But that's a trend that a lot of people are doing now because they want to have that beautiful, old-school muscle car look, but they also want to have a car that, oh, that's the interior? No way. That's a real interior. That can't be the interior of the car.

Yeah, that's the interior of the car. No way. Press play. Let me hear what he has to say. That can't be the actual interior. Like a stunt interior? I have a little air freshener, too. I always like to brake pedal.

It says, disbrake. Because that's an image instead of the video. Why isn't it loaded? Yeah, I don't know why they did it. But that is an interior car. I've sat in their car. That's what it looks like? Yeah.

So he put like an old stupid looking steering wheel and everything? It's a stock steering wheel. Everything's stock interior. But it's not stock handling, like the rack and pinion and all that shit? Yeah, it's all C7 Corvette. Wow. That's the trend, right? That's what everybody wants.

Yep. And your new show, when is that? Is that airing already? The pilot on History Channel hasn't aired yet. It'll be a pilot. We're shooting the pilot right now. And you're going to start doing a bunch of different cars like that. Doing four of them, yeah.

Now, how much would Tim Allen have to spend to make something like that? Three, $400,000. Jesus fucking Christ. You get a goddamn brand new Corvette for $60,000. Talk about defeating the purpose. You can get a trophy truck. Why spend money on that when you can buy a trophy truck? Well, that's what you're into now.

Regular cars on flat ground is boring as shit to you. They are boring as shit. Wait till you go. Wait till you go for a ride. Bring us back when you come back. Okay. I'll bring you back when I come back when we do Vegas. When can people see your show?

Because I know you... April 20th on CBS Sports. April 20th on CBS Sports. April 20th, CBS Sports. On Sunday, yeah. It's an hour long. We're doing six one hours this year, including the Baja 1000. So all the races that Rob's racing in, including the San Felipe 250 is our first race that he

raced in. We'll tell you what happened, but he raced in, and it's on April 20th. And Chris from Overholland, is he one of the hosts? Yeah, Chris Jacobs from Overholland he is uh is he one of the hosts yeah chris jacobs from overholland's uh one of our cameron steals what is another uh compadre of his he's one of our hosts and he's a trophy truck racer also and chris jacobs chris is a cool guy very very good dude and uh a crazy car nut himself there you go there's chris yep wow awesome stuff man awesome stuff so um uh do do you have a Twitter account or anything like that?

Yeah, RobMac21. RobMac21. Okay, and Bud, do you have a Twitter account? No. No. No. He says no. I wear all black. I wear all black. There'll be no Twitter. No one wants to contact me.

I don't have Twitter or Facebook. They will now. They will now. The French are fucking mad at you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I should have kicked your ass. You did not pull over. Now you talk shit about me.

Ah! All right. April 20th, CBS. Thank you, guys. This was a lot of fun. Great conversation. Thank you. And Rob, thank you very much for explaining us your insane world.

Oh, we have one more thing for you. So when we race, especially when I started racing, if you don't win the race, sometimes you get a little bit of money, you get a trophy, right? So we would only race, and I have a collection of them at my house. You used to get these little pins, right?

Little hat pins, like a $2 hat pin that says Finisher on it, right? And that's all you race for. You just spent all this money, all this time to kill yourself. You've got walls for them. I got like 10, right? And that's all you race for. You just spent all this money, all this time to kill yourself. You've got walls for them. I've got like 10, right? It says finisher, and sometimes I have, you know, this, and I've got a plaque that says winner, but

they've upgraded a little bit, but generally you run, Rob and I brought something for you, which is going to be a finisher's medal from the Baja 500. Oh, that's what it looks like? You can have it. Why would I have that? I didn't finish shit. I don't deserve to have this. It's ridiculous.

You get to remember us. I'll remember you no matter what, dude. You live in my neighborhood. This is ridiculous. I can't have this. I'll leave it here, but I won't touch it. I don't deserve to. I don't deserve to. Alright, good times gentlemen. Rob McCachran, Bud Bretzman, and April

20th, you can watch it on CBS Sports. Watch it, tune in, enjoy, support. And the History Channel thing is just a pilot. Is it airing? Yeah, it'll be airing probably fourth quarter from December. Alright, let us know when that's going to air and we'll tune people into it. Thanks to our sponsor.

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I think we left her. She had 19. She's still got 19. Popular girl. Not really. Maybe she just won't let anybody in maybe nobody gives a fuck anyway

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This is going to be pretty interesting. Well, I'll tell you all about it. But he's actually a really good pool player. Apparently, he's um he's actually uh a really good pool player apparently he's uh like professional level so um we're gonna play some pool and uh then we'll be back friday with one of the uh co-founders of reddit uh next week we've got dave attell's coming in and uh a few other people oh and uh andreas antinopoulos is going to come back too and discuss what the fuck is going on with Bitcoin. Because it seems to be the hot topic these days.

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