The Joe Rogan Experience - #508 - TJ Dillashaw & Duane Ludwig

Episode Date: June 2, 2014

TJ Dillashaw is a mixed martial arts fighter and currently the UFC Bantamweight Champion. Duane Ludwig is a former mixed martial arts fighter and currently is the head coach of Team Alpha Male.

I've been a lucky man. I've been able to see some shit in my life. I've been able to see a lot of shit up close and personal. I've seen way more than a thousand fights. I don't know how many I've ever seen professionally. The best fight I ever saw in my life, the finest performance, was this man sitting across the table from me. TJ Dillashaw, your fight with Hennon Burrell was the slickest, most technical, most beautiful mountain that I've ever seen anybody climb. The way you did that shit was seriously, like, it's no matter what happens from now on to the end of time, that was a milestone to me that was like a guy who rose to the occasion against the biggest dragon in the fucking forest the one

everybody was scared of dude henan baral was a fucking werewolf that dude was wheel kicking people in the face and fucking like leaping knees and pounding dudes out, taking their backs like a ghost. Just wicked, looked wicked at every turn. Undefeated for like 30 fucking fights. I mean, it was incredible. Hennepin Burrell was a beast. And TJ Dillashaw, you picked him apart. You moved around him. You looked like, you looked so relaxed in there from the moment you got into that cage. I go, look at this kid. He looks like he's in a sparring session. You were just loose and moving. You weren't doing anything that showed that you were tense. You weren't doing anything like where you're hesitating, anything where you're like

dipping your feet into the water. It was like from the get-go, you were in the groove and you could see right away there was a thing where Burrell was like, oh shit, what the fuck's going on here? Somewhere in the first couple of minutes, before you landed that right hand in the first round, somewhere in those first couple of minutes, you could see he was like, I'm getting fucked up here. Like, this dude is hitting me

and I can't hit this dude, and all of a sudden, whack! You drop this right hand on him over the top of the left shoulder on the button. The legs give out. He goes down. I'm like, holy shit. And he survived the rest of the fight into the fifth round when you stopped him.

But he was done after. He just wasn't the same after that. And his corner was telling him, do not exchange with this guy. Stay away from the exchanges. I was like, I can't believe what I'm hearing. This is the crazy. His corner's telling him to run from TJ Dillashaw. They're like, take this fucking guy down. Grab him and take him down, which you just

wouldn't think would be their strategy. So it was like a clear adjustment of something that was going on in a fight. Well, thank you. I appreciate that compliment. I'm going to have a grin on my face the rest of the day now, man. Oh, you deserve it. You deserve it and more. You know, you two together are a very unique combination. It's really interesting because I've had the pleasure of being friends with guys like Duke Rufus, who's a great trainer and a great guy, and Greg Jackson, who's a great trainer, a great guy, Mark De La Grata. I've had a chance to become friends with so many of these guys.

And one of the more problematic aspects of fighter trainer relationships are like that fighters are kind of like stubborn and they're, they have a lot of ego and so are trainers. And a lot of trainers used to be fighters. And a lot of guys have this, my way or the highway thing going on. And a lot of other guys don't like to take instruction. It's a lot of weirdness when it comes to fighters. It's a lot of weirdness when it comes to emotions after losses, trying to figure out who's to blame, passing blame when maybe you shouldn't. But every now and then it works perfect. Every now and then you've got this puzzle where these two dudes are actually friends,

and you see it work out great. And that's where I see you guys right now. You guys are in this rare space. Rufus has it with Anthony Pettis you know like and he's had it with a lot of other fighters that he's trained as well because he's such a friendly and affable guy you know and Dwayne you found a way to you and TJ the way you guys sync together I see it you know I see when you talk about fights I had the privilege of watching you work with him once at my gym holding pads for him i was watching you coach him and you guys the way you

guys move together it's a real interesting relationship yeah it helps out that uh he cares how i do and that not only i want to win for myself but i want to win for him too it holds like this higher standard of like what i want to do every day i get in the gym i got a guy watching me 24 7 on what I'm doing wrong or right yeah I want to like not only it's like pleasing your father when you're a kid you know what I mean like doing the things right for him you know it's like the same thing I want to do do what Dwayne has shown me the right way it's like I've just got addicted to doing it it's so cool it's so cool to see I love watching shit work you know so it's so cool to see you go over to

this alpha male team and all of a sudden, boom! I mean, you got this camp full of killers, like arguably the best lighter weight camp overall in the country. Without a doubt, top three, right? Not the country, the world. There's Nova Uniao, there's you guys, and there's, you know, a couple other places that have that kind of pool of talent in the lightweight divisions. You guys have it locked down. Yeah, there's definitely a special time in martial arts history. What's going on right now with the team, what's just happened with me and the team.

It's something special for sure. Yeah, you know what? It seems like this is a special time in martial arts history, period. It really seems like there's a lot of energy on MMA right now. The fact that there was two UFCs going on at the same time on Saturday, that was pretty wild. I feel like

more people are aware that the highs in MMA are higher than any other sport. You can't compare. A ball going into a net is still just a fucking ball going into a net. When you head kicked Hennepin Brown that fifth round, and you saw his knees go, and you moved in for the closer,

I was like, oh, shit, dominates him for four rounds, and he's going to head kick him and stop him. This is crazy. That kind of feeling of being a fan, of watching a wild fight like that, it's super hard to describe. It's kind of like putting your life on the line when you're in there. Even though it's not, but it feels like it. That kind of adrenaline rush and that feeling of once you get the fight done,

there's no better feeling in the world. Just kind of you have to scream and go crazy. I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine. I knew what it was like to win a Taekwondo tournament, which is nothing compared to a UFC fight, especially a UFC fight for the world title. especially a UFC fight for the world title, especially a UFC fight for the world title when you're an 8-to-1 underdog

on the consensus pound-for-pound, at least number two guy in the world. It's like Jon Jones and him. They would alternate between one and two. I agree. And in my opinion, Mighty Mouse. In my opinion, they don't give Mighty Mouse enough credit. He's never in the top four of people's list. I think he could be number one.

I mean, he's right up there. He's as good as anybody in the world. Awesome athlete, for sure. He's perfect technically. Everything he does is perfect. I mean, I always say young fighters. Like, you want to learn how to fight perfectly? Watch a guy like that.

Watch a guy who's a longtime veteran, been a champion for quite a few fights now. He's as legit as it gets. But you stepped in there with a guy who's right up there with him. I mean, that's what everybody thought. That's what I thought. I mean, I still do. I still think he's an elite, elite fighter. And you figured out together, you figured out a style and a strategy

to expose what you felt like were some areas where he was vulnerable. And we actually talked at lunch about the very techniques that TJ was using. Especially how you kept passing under his left and you were behind him. Dude. I knew that I was a lot faster than him. He's a big 135 pounder and he's very powerful, but I think that

hinders his speed. I think he's too big for the weight class almost and I knew that I could be so much faster than him and create the angles that he wouldn't be able to keep up. He looked lost even in just the first round like he couldn't find me. He couldn't he couldn't he wanted to like hold me and stop me to be able to kick me or hit me with his big right hand you know he throws the same techniques they're just a little bit too slow I think. It's so fascinating it's so fascinating watching your evolution from the Ultimate Fighter. I mean I've had the pleasure of watching you from the moment you were introduced to the world

when you started doing the Ultimate Fighter and you were a hungry young kid, lots of potential, but lots of potential and then world champion, one of the finest performances the sport's ever seen in just a couple of years. That's amazing. Yep, definitely.

That's why I just had my buddy James Blair make a new highlight of just his recent fights since I've been here and just to see the progression of each fight Yeah, I sent that to Jamie Did you get that? Load that shit up Let's watch that

Because it is pretty incredible It just tells a story I'm not trying to give you a big head, kid No, I know Settle down That's what it's awesome about These guys are coachable He can't

I'm already thinking about defending the title and getting nervous about that You know what I mean? So you gotta keep yourself hungry to get better And I think that's why i've gained so got so good so fast i agree i have full full trust and uh full uh knowledge that you'll you'll navigate the water so you got to this far too competitive you get that big of a head man i'm sure you're smart enough to know that's the beautiful thing about where we live today is that people you get see back when like the muhammad ali days or before that, hold on a second, it was hard to get like information.

It was hard to watch documentaries on fighters' lives. It was hard to read books on their lives. You kind of just got stories from old trainers and there was a lot of mistakes that were repeated over and over and over again. But at a certain point in time, today's day and age, especially with the internet, you get checked enough so they're getting completely cocky and delusional like some fighters have gotten it's it's you got to try hard to get that way today because dudes are chippy down you know and the world

exposed you and there's like really good writers now too who would like there's a wizard Jack slack is that the dude's name, who did that takedown? The video, he used a lot of animated GIFs and then talked about your article. Or talked about your fight in an article. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it? It's fantastic. Let me find it if we get a chance here while we're watching this highlight. And I'll give the guy the full shout out and where the website is so you can watch it.

He broke down the very strategy that you used and showed after. Sorry. I'm sorry. With animated highlights of you doing it. So explained what he had done wrong in past fights and how you capitalized on it. Okay. Brilliant article. Okay.

So it was an article that came out after my fight. Yes. Yes. After the fight. Okay. But it's so indicative of this new wave of like super intelligent fans that break down fights. Yes, after the fight. But it's so indicative of this new wave of super intelligent fans that break down fights. And super intelligent martial arts analysts. You can call them fans, but a lot of these guys have been martial artists their whole life.

They just have another job. Correct. So they're still fans of martial arts, so they choose to write these really brilliant articles on something. And you're seeing just way more info. So more info about what works, what doesn't work, and more info about, like, the mistakes of the past, like things that where guys are fucked up. Mm-hmm.

Let's take a look at that documentary or this highlight reel. All you have to do is believe, baby. Believe you're the best in the world. You'll get here. It's just my destiny. I just got to believe that it's my destiny to be him, and it's my destiny. I just gotta believe that it's my destiny to beat him and it's my time. First of all, I learned so much from the guy. He kind of took me under his wing. I just kind of fell perfectly into his fighting style.

Dwayne Little just pours information into TJ. It's been awesome. He's just on a different level right now than he was when we first started. Boom. Keeps such a good base, man. Good angles to the side. For real, Modern day ninja This highlight reel is so awesome James Blair rocks it What is the name of the highlight reel If people want to watch it

Because they're listening to this What is it Power of Belief TJ Dillashaw The Power of Belief Man what a great title for This sort of a highlight reel I mean that really is what, it's perfect.

It's a perfect title. How much do you really believe and want it? There's no doubt. There's no denying. Hennon Burrow was the number one pound-for-pound fighter in the world. He was the number one pound-for-pound fighter. Hennon Burrow is absolutely the best fighter in the world, pound-for-pound. 32 fights in a row.

I mean, let that sink in for a little bit. He's gone nearly a decade without losing a fight. TJ Dillashaw is now, with 15 months to cut, with Dwayne Liffey, is a completely different fighter. 209. He went straight Nick Diaz on him. I always do, man. I'm a huge Nick Diaz fan. That's awesome.

That's awesome. You went Nick Diaz in the stands. I've done it my last three fights. I've just been a huge fan of Diaz. I always do, man. I'm a huge Nick Diaz fan. That's awesome. That's awesome. You went Nick Diaz in the stance. Yeah, I've done it my last three fights. I've just been a huge fan of Diaz, so I always do it. Oh, that's so cool. I love it, man. I love it. Oh, that right hand was so wicked, man.

I knew right there, man. Look at this. On the biz nut. The base, the side. You know, and it wasn't like he wasn't swinging dude that's still that dude was still throwing heavy leather he was in the fight he's got a good jab he popped my head back a couple times with the awesome jab he hits hard man he hits very hard he's very fast too so for you to say you were way faster than him is redonkulous, son. I don't know, man.

Well, you were. I mean, it wasn't just that. It was everything. It was a combination of everything. It was not one thing that you could tie it down to. It was your movement. It was your confidence, your relaxation in there. Look at that. Just that series that you just did where you ducked under that right hand of his

and cracked him again You were just hitting with a volume of strikes. That was preposterous. He just couldn't deal with it It's because this guy's got me striking at all angles, you know South Pole incredible no matter where he goes I can be able to be able to strike That fucking picture so so awesome, too. That picture of you freaking out after you won. You just looked like electricity was shooting out of your body. Yes, like a psychopath, dude. You looked so fired up and so ridiculous.

It's one of the greatest pictures in all of MMA. That picture of you just... Dude, it was an amazing feeling. Yeah, I appreciate that. What were you thinking at that moment? I'm thinking my Bang Mui Thai is tight My Bang Mui Thai is tight No shit, man

Wow How old are you now, man? 28 What does that feel like? What is this ride like? It's been crazy It's been Especially for how fast it's been

I mean, obviously I picture myself Being the best in the world But I never expected it to be this fast and for me to catch on as fast as I did. And when I quit school and thought about fighting, it was just kind of like, I hope I can make this work. I hope this is going to pan out.

Seems like you panned out pretty good. Seems like you can do it alright now. The crazy thing is you're getting better. I mean, if you can continue at the same pace, again, I hate blowing smoke up people's ass, but I think you can handle it. If you can continue at this pace that you're at right now, just the amount of development that I've seen from you from the time you're in the Ultimate Fighter to the time you become

champion, I've never seen it. I've never seen anybody improve that quickly. I appreciate that. It's amazing. You two together are a wild combination, man. It's a weird combination, man. It's because he's so hyper and craziness, and then I stay calm and weathered. It kind of just meshes, you know what I mean?

Right. He's like 100 miles an hour, and I'll calm down a little bit. It just makes this perfect aura of like, you know. Yeah, I'm trying to be calm right now, not be too freaking hyper. It's free to relax when the spaceship's hovering. You're a part of the whole developmental process though with that madness of yours. Yes, sir. You know, cause you're so into like, we were, we were like, we went to lunch before your

fight and it was me and like five of my friends. Dwayne didn't give a fuck what anybody else was talking about. He was, he was on strategy movement. He was breaking shit down. Dude, that's what I've said in all my interviews is because he cares about his job as much as I do is why this works, too. He goes home. I'll get home after a hard day of practice. I worked out like two, three times, get home, just want to veg out,

watch some TV, and think about not fighting at all, anything else but fighting. And then he'll text me on something I should be doing for my fight, or he watched a number of hours fight and things I could do in the fight. I'm just like, God damn it. I've got to think about the fight, go run, and get all amped up. He's like, yeah, you're right. I can do that.

That's what I need to do. So he's making me think about the fight 24-7, which helps me out a lot. I mean, I get in those situations in the fight, and it's like, I've already been there before. Wow. That's incredible. I wonder how long you guys can keep this up. Forever. It's so crazy.

You're both so manic about it. You're both so, ah! Yeah, definitely. Forever. Definitely a good mix for sure the best mix 100 percent yeah you know i don't know if uh if it was kind of a destiny meant to be to make sure like the where our paths crossed or if you create your destiny if it's already predetermined i'm not too sure but this is working out like as if it was meant to be well you as a trainer you've really

fallen into this role with such a passion you know it's so cool to see because for a lot of fighters, they develop all this technique and they have all this knowledge. And they get so much better at training. But then as they start to get older, their body just doesn't work the same anymore. And there's a certain amount of time you can put into fighting and competing. You could Randy Couture it if you're a freak. But he's a rare, rare dude. He's a rare guy guy i don't know how he did that nobody knows how he did that deep into his 40s still competing at a super high level just an animal just a savage but for most guys at a certain point in time they have to find an exit strategy and it becomes a

very difficult time for them but for you you seem to have found this perfect blend of right when your career, when you started to slow down, boom, you take over the spot. There's very little gap time in between the two. Like, you could take a fight right now. Like, if you wanted to, like if somebody offered you a fight right now, you're in shape. You could just do a six-week camp and still do a fight. So it's not like everybody was saying, like, man, Dwayne Ludwig's got to hang up the gloves. Gotcha.

You were still in the game, and you decided to start training fighters, and you seem to have just won't just hit the gas. It's what I've been kind of looking to do. I've been training guys since I was 19 anyway. I was actually one of a mint holder for Mr. Boss Root and Sensei Boss Root for his Rattling Fight when he was in Colorado. So I learned a lot then also, and I don't know how old I was then, 24, 25, but it's something I've naturally been doing anyway

since I was 19. And the last couple years of my fighting, I was just fighting to kind of just stay busy and for a paycheck and not to get a regular job. So if I, sorry, slow down, relax. I get excited, man. I love this man's passion. So it's as fast as my brain goes.

So let me think. It was just, if I had this opportunity to do it a couple years prior, I probably would have. But it wasn't the right time then. That's why just the way the chain of events that happened. I couldn't actually take a fight. My knee's still pretty jacked up from the last fight. My knee got blown out.

So I was in a position where I had three months worth of pay and a year-long injury. And then Faber texted me one night. I was like, hey, do you want to use this steering number? And I was like, yeah, and then gave me the opportunity to come out and work with these guys. And I was handed a parking lot full of race cars. I was like, hey, do you want to use this steering number? And he was like, yeah. And then gave me the opportunity to come out and work with these guys. And I was handed a parking lot full of race cars. Yeah. And asked to take them to the race, you know?

That's the best way to describe it. It's been an awesome ride. And it's literally like playing a video game, 100%. As long as the controller works and you hit the right cues at the right time, it's literally like playing a video game. That's what you said to me after the fight. Yes, sir. Your exact words.

That's how I see it. I'm just a child at heart, I guess. That's the quickest analogy. It's like people say they have that brotherly love, but I genuinely care for my guys, and I love them like my kids. Well, Uriah Faber has done an amazing job of putting together a wild camp of barbarians up there. He just kind of draws in these people, too.

It's not like he went out searching for all these great training partners. Just his personality in general, the person he is kind of just like attracted everyone to that camp you know he tried recruiting me when i was in wrestling i didn't go up to davis and and wrestle where he was at after i graduated at school i just kind of i just migrated up there munio's kind of pushed me that way you know and just kind of happened wow and as long as you can stick it out and be pretty gangster in the gym then you're gonna work you're gonna get really good you, you're going to get your butt kicked and you're probably going to leave. But if you're tough enough to get into sparring rooms, we'll throw down. If you're able to stick it out, then you're going to get a lot better.

Yeah, that is the thing, whether or not guys can stick it out. But it's amazing that he's been able to inspire so many guys to go to this one area. And if you know Uriah, he's a unique dude. He's very smart, very smart, and he's also, like, super motivated and driven. You know, his book is pretty interesting, and one of the things that I talked to him about when I interviewed him for the UFC was how he'll write things down and look at them, like, first thing in the morning when he wakes up. He'll have, like, a list of things that he wants to accomplish the list of things he's

trying to do and like having a guy like that around very inspirational because you want to do the same kind of things copycat method you know yeah I think he's gotten all that from the book the secret you kind of learned it the way of like setting goals and setting the way you should live your life and it's just worked out you know and the secret is kind of bullshit but not it gives you it gives you the right path i think yeah i think it's something motivational you know it's better than it's something for you it's created for a positive like you know likeness on something so it is a positive thing just helping people so i i'm a fan of it for sure but even i know what you mean though it is somewhat bullshit too yeah there's good good pros and cons

to it like anything yeah it is motivational, right? And anything motivational is good if you could find motivation in it. It was meant to be good, yeah. It's just like it only works on the people that it works on. Do you know what I'm saying? Like for you, the secret worked.

Look, you're the world champion now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like if you were in a documentary on The Secret and you were like, I just knew that I could make this happen. I concentrated on it every day

and sure, I put a lot of hard work work in but the law of attraction is what led You to that victory people would go. Oh my god. The secret's real and then they would try it out themselves like saying I want to breathe underwater. I want to be Aquaman. I'm just gonna concentrate on this and we're making no You know make it happen. There's certain laws of physics. It comes back to the copycat method I guess copying someone else that was successful and well physics it comes back to the copycat method i guess you're just copying someone else that was successful and well it my point was that it does work in that it works for people it works on but it doesn't work for everybody like there are people that have started out in really poor families and bad neighborhoods and they've gone on to become super wealthy and successful and they've you know

they're they're they're helping a lot of people and starting charities and things it does happen sometimes but it also happens that people just get fucked over and they wind up in terrible they're helping a lot of people and starting charities. It does happen sometimes. But it also happens that people just get fucked over and they wind up in terrible situations. And you can't blame those people that are in the worst situation that it's all just about the way they thought about things. No, you get lucky breaks in life. So it's sort of a combination of those things.

Like, yeah, if you make all the right decisions and you get a bunch of lucky breaks and you don't get hit by a fucking truck while you're trying to cross the street, you can be really successful. But it's also there's a lot of randomness involved in this universe. You've got to kind of if you don't acknowledge that randomness, people get mad at you. Like people get upset at you. Yeah. Just this overall general message of doing something positive and directing your life to a certain direction and get the results you want.

Yeah. It's just when it becomes a system something positive and directing your life to a certain direction to get the results you want. Yeah. It's just when it becomes a system. You know, like this will work. Well, that's funny you say it because, you know, as random fighting is with split seconds and fractions of an inch, I've taken, you know, not completely, but I was able to take some parts of fighting and make it a system. And that's one of the things that we train off of certain numbers and commands and cues so we can speak while they're in the cage or on the pads or sparring. So that's one of my tricky things in life right now, is taking something so random as fighting and putting it into a system so that we can predict the patterns and get used to what may be coming next, or predict the counter, things like that as well. And this is something that exists in boxing, but is even more important when you add in the extra limbs of Muay Thai.

Like technique becomes, in a lot of ways, it's much more of a balancing act than it is in boxing. In boxing, speed and athleticism are so dominating that a lot of fighters that maybe don't have the best technique have really good speed and athleticism and they'll be a more technical fighter who's slower. But in Muay Thai, there's so much distance involved and so many other techniques and so many options and possibilities

that a really technical fighter, you know, like Amir Sadala, good example, right? Amir Sadala's a real technical guy, you know, but not a physically strong guy by any stretch of the imagination, not a super athlete, just a regular guy, but became pretty technical with his Muay Thai. Yeah, for sure. And he could beat guys that are a lot faster and stronger. Yeah, he had definitely a good base in Muay Thai for sure.

I wanted to talk to you about your system because you're the, like, as far as the people that I know that have really spent the most time trying to break things down into, I know the Dutch do it a lot, and I had the pleasure of training with Rob Kamen several times, and he's a very good guy. And he has a whole system that he teaches. You know, he's got this Kamen Muay Thai system that he, he's basically, in a lot of ways like you, has kind of sort of broken down all the various possibilities that can happen in a fight. But I think you've done it on another level. You've taken it to an even wackier place where you're just thinking about it all goddamn day.

K-Man probably doesn't even know his own combo and we have that Bang Muay Thai system. We have a combo that's named after him. Oh, really? He doesn't even know it. Is it a round kick across the front of the thighs? It helps. He loves that technique, man. He doesn't even know it. Is it a round kick across the front of the thighs? It helps. He loves that technique, man.

He does like that. He would throw that round kick across the front of the thighs of both legs all the time, man. That's a beautiful technique. He liked to, in some of the fights that I've seen, he would fake the front kick and come down with the hook off that same side. Oh, yeah. So he'd collect the caiman to come down with the same side hook. Yeah, that was another technique of his. And he would just crack people.

Drop a hard hook. Yeah, a solid hook for sure. I was just going to say, I love watching old Rob Cayman fights. Yeah, I bought his VHS, his VHS instructional tapes. VHS, I love that. And I used to just take notes on those and watch those all day long. I got just obsessed about that stuff. And my style is based more off the Dutch style

because coming up through Boss Root and stuff. If you guys haven't figured it out. Sorry, I can't even hear myself. If no one's figured it out, if you want to be a really good coach, you have to be a psychopath too. Oh, you have to be a little twisted to get what he's figuring out inside that head. He's always got something going on, man. Well, you have to be twisted to be a competitor too. That's true.

You're an interesting guy because you come off like the sweetest, kindest guy in the world. You're an interesting guy because you come off like the sweetest, kindest guy in the world. However, I hear training with you is not an ice cream sundae. All right, guys, pick your partners. Who's working with TJ? Hey, did you sign the liability waiver? Yeah? Okay, cool.

We're good. Start the round. I am always the last one to get a partner. Really? No one wants to play with me. Yeah. Do you think that, I mean, is it because you're so amped up and competitive and you only turn it on in competition? And when you're in there, you're just in there to go to war.

You're not in there to just make nice-nice. You're just in there to go to war, and that's the only way to get better. Yeah, I'm super. He's laughing. Look at him. To make nice-nice. Because he loves it. He gets to watch practice and laugh.

I can watch UFC fights all day long. He controls me. We've been trying to get this controlled aggression that I have because I'm very aggressive when I'm competing because I'm really competitive and I want to be the best in the world. So in practice, I want to practice the best to be the best. And when things don't work out exactly the way they're supposed to, I get pissed and go harder.

And that's something he's had to control with me. You know, I've learned to control my aggression and turn it on at the right times, but it's taken a long time to do that. So everyone's got this name for me as being the bully in the gym. He goes hard. He definitely goes hard. But he's got what can't be taught, so this guy has to be controlled is all. Yeah.

It's simply a matter of how much damage you take that's unnecessary or give out that's unnecessary in the training. But other than that, to have that mad intensity, that is what it takes. There's only one way to be a champion. You can't be a champion and kind of, well, you know, give it my best. You can't. There's other dudes out there like TJ Dillashaw. That's the way it is.

That's what I would tell people whenever anyone talks about dabbling in fighting. They say, hey, why don't you have an MMA fight? Hey, you know who should have an MMA fight? That guy. I bet he could kick some ass. Listen to me. Unless that's what you're obsessed with, unless that is occupying your thoughts 24 hours a day, and when people start talking to you, if you don't like what they're saying, you

start thinking about fighting, unless that's going on, don't fight. Because there's someone out there like TJ Dillashaw. There's these motherfuckers out there that are like that all day long yeah and they will get in the same cage as you and light you on fire and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it that's true that's some people's journey they just want to go through the process of a fight camp and do a fight just to experience it so i guess fuck relax so you just gotta do it maybe you have to get the right matchup or somebody who's equally as skilled just for the have the event, then it's fine. But yeah, definitely. You don't want to come across someone like TJ Dillashaw.

He's a world-class athlete that's dedicated and that will kill you. Yeah, and you could run into a guy like that in the amateurs. You could easily run into a guy like that in the amateurs. I had two amateur fights. Yeah. But I was obviously amateur. Not as good. Yeah.

You weren't as good. But still, you could run into some, especially dudes that have freaky power, guys that have that LeVar Johnson type power. You could run into some especially dudes that have freaky power guys that have that lavar johnson type power yeah you could run into those dudes and you're gonna be your head's gonna be fucked up for a long time just because you wanted an adventure you know be careful bitch yeah yeah yeah he's got to research your opponent you gotta you should be i think martial arts are a great thing to be involved with. But if you're going to fight in MMA, you better be goddamn obsessed. That's why

I think this combination of you two is so fascinating to me. Because you're both bananas. You're both obsessed. It should be a study. There should be some scientific studies going on, man. And maybe there's some data that could be pulled from the early fights and the coaching videos and stuff like that up until now. Because I'm curious to see all

the improvements and involvements of the very aspects of the game. Well, there's so many improvements behind the scenes that a lot of folks don't know about, like how to train. There's all these different thoughts and strategies about training at altitude or sleeping at altitude and training

and now that's what they say. Train at sea level, sleep at altitude, and that has a pretty significant impact. And then your diet. Guys are like, oh, let's get out the gluten. Okay, today we're going to do Tabata training protocol. What do you think about gluten? I think that it's not the best thing for your body.

It's fucking glue. You're breaking wheat down. It's turning it into this chewy, like when you eat bread. Chew that shit up and feel what it feels like. It's glue. You're eating glue. I've never really looked into it as much because I eat healthy. I eat really healthy.

Just from the diet, it makes me feel good. Gluten's never bothered me before. Danny Castillo's gone on this gluten-free diet. He's really strict about it. I always make fun of him. I always give him shit. If I go somewhere and he can't eat anything, he's like, come on, man. I'll pay extra for that gluten.

Give me extra gluten, and I'll eat it. I don't think it's bad for you. I've tried gluten-free. I was gluten-free for a long time. And then I'll allow myself to eat it once a week, which they say you're not supposed to do if you're really gluten-free. You're supposed to be gluten-free 100%. But what I think is it's like a lot of things.

It's like beer. It's like bread. It's like cake. It's not good for you, but I like it anyway. I like a little bit of it. I think you should, for the most part, take in things that are really good for you. But I think gluten isn't – it's just – it causes inflammation, and it's difficult to digest. Just a little bit.

Not a lot. And for some people, it's a lot. Some people have like celiac disease and shit. That's right. For those people, it's difficult to digest. Just a little bit. Not a lot. And for some people, it's a lot. Some people have celiac disease and shit. That's right. For those people, it's pretty significant. Do you feel worse when you have that day? The next day, do you feel worse from eating gluten at all? Yeah, I feel like a fat fuck.

Really? Yeah, I feel watered down. I feel like, bleh. Like when I'll eat a sandwich or something like that, like a meatball sub or something fucking stupid on my cheat day. And that bun soaked up with spaghetti sauce just sits in my stomach like a rock. Tastes so good, though. So good when it's going down.

For a few moments of simple mouth pleasure, I'll allow myself to feel like shit for 24 hours. That's awesome. You feel it when you work out, too. That's when I feel it. It takes a longer time to digest for me. If I eat just standard protein, like fish and vegetables, it doesn't take me long to digest.

A nice plate of healthy fish and some greens like kale or arugula or some shit like that, that's two, three hours later, I feel great. I can work out. But if I eat a pizza, I'm fucked for a while. I'm fucked for five or six hours. There's not going to be any working out. Once if I eat a pizza, I'm fucked for a while.

I'm fucked for five or six hours. There's not going to be any working out. Once a week, some pizza. Now that I eat healthy, I can feel the huge difference of eating bad. But it's because I've gotten into the profession of what I do gives me money. And since I've been blending all my fruit and vegetables, it's insane how much I can eat. Vegetable-wise. If I blend it up in the Blendtec I got,

it's eight times as much fruit and vegetables as I used to when I was wrestling just because I make a blend once a day. That's so awesome. It's so good for you. As long as you mix it up. I've been reading about people that do run into issues if they eat all of their meals as blended vegetables.

If you get a certain amount of oxalic acid and a bunch of different things that exist in plants, probably to discourage animals from eating them. But if you have them in massive doses like that, like over and over again, like spinach, apparently raw spinach, very high in oxalic acid. But as long as you mix it up, it's fine. And as long as you have calcium in your diet, calcium in your diet sends to mitigate it in some way. But there's no better way it's like you're getting like mainline

in nutrients nice I drink one of those kale shakes dude and I feel like I did fucking like two shots of espresso yeah

I'm like fired up I drink it every morning every morning when I'm at home I have a green shake in the morning also and blend that puppy up and just chomp it down even back to on it

if you want it to taste good you just gotta put the hemp force in it man everything tastes good you can blend up dog shit and it would taste good, you just got to put the hemp force in it, man. Yeah, nice. Everything tastes good. You can blend up dog shit and it would taste good. Yeah, that's true. Seriously, man.

That's the stevia. What we use for sweeteners. Oh, I see. This shit. The same stuff that I use on my, you thought it was salt? Yeah. The same stuff that I use

in my coffee. It's a natural plant extract. No sugar in it at all. And you just need a tiny little bit. It's super potent. Like 10 times more potent than sugar.

Definitely. But, yeah, man, I used to make it taste good, but now I don't even make the kale shake taste good anymore. Just slam it. I make it taste terrible because I give it giant chunks of ginger and garlic now. I'll have like a, like seriously, remember what pagers used to look like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A pager-sized chunk of ginger.

Just fucking hammer it. In one shake. Woo! That's in one shake? You slam that? That much ginger? Oh, fuck. I'm like that turtle dude. I'd have about half of that in a week's shake.

Oh, really? Yeah. No, I slam it. I slam it in four or five cloves of garlic. Oh, God. You probably smell so bad afterwards. I smell like a man. I got up my garlic intake for sure.

I smell good, kid. Look at Yolk, man. I smell like shit. I do smell funny. Like garlic? Did you just train? Yeah. No, just ate.

Some garlic. Your low-taste tastes horrible. I don't know. Why don't you try it, bitch? Let me know next time you're in a tasty mood. It'll be all right, right? Next time you're in a tasty mood. Next time you're in a taste-testing mood, make a video.

Probably get a lot of YouTube hits off of that a taste-testing mood, make a video. That's good. You'll probably get a lot of YouTube hits off of that. It's a mouthful, I'm sure. No, if you just, all you'd have to do is just, I would come on the desk and just dip your finger in and go like that. That's all you would have to do. NG, motherfucker. No, that's NG, yeah.

That would be. NG, motherfucker. It's over. Oh, man. It's over. That's funny. You two would break. I'm sure you got the curdled kind where you could just pick it up.

No, my loads are very normal. Curdled kind. This shit took a turn. I drink a lot of water, dude. Oh, that's true. Water and water. I'm healthy. My loads are quite fluid.

It tastes like garlic and... This is like back at the academy, man. This is the alpha male crew right here. Imagine if dudes were like chicks Whereas women have a certain amount of eggs And then that's it, it's over Imagine if dudes were like that, we have a certain amount of loads You know, you're all saving yourself

You're like checking, you're pulling your balls up to the sun To see like where your load line is A lot of people would have A lot of people would have blue balls That's for sure I can't let this one go. I'm going to save my load. And then just have the worst thing for the next day.

Oh, wow. Girls would be like, come on, give me some load. You're not worth it. You're not worth it. Oh, that's true. It'd become like a gambling effect and everything, a little rational thing. Guys would go to tantric. They'd go tantric where you squeeze it down, you never really orgasm.

Just grab the tip of your dick like a lighter. If that was the case, guys would have more power in getting laid then. That's true, right? Instead of being on the girl's side of it, it's easier for a girl. It'd be a whole lot easier for a guy if you only had so many. Listen, if we all fucking band together, we can make that happen right now. We just have to stay strong. So I heard this theory, right?

You can start this right now with a podcast. A podcast is powerful. Yeah, let's have a dick union. Just agree. We'll get some power around here. Yeah, take back your loads. Save them. Your loads are important.

They're not valued right now in the equation, but damn it, they should be. Stop wasting them. It's a key ingredient. It's a key ingredient in making people. Oh, man. Without the loads, you got nothing. That's the problem, though.

That would be like starting a fighter's union. That's not really going to happen, you know? Because dudes are like, fuck them. And that's what dudes would say when it comes to the dick union. If we all got together and said, listen, we need to make our dicks more valuable, okay? We need to make it harder to get to. Let's work something out here, boys. The first ones are going to sacrifice big time, man.

The ones that are starting this thing, because now they're the only ones not getting laid to start this whole trend. Same as with the fighter union. You're the only one not getting paid. Right. They would be the ones who would step in and say equal pay for equal fighting.

Are they trying to start something? People have in the past, I'm sure. It's very difficult. My point would be, it's like even comedians' unions. There's never been a comedian. I mean, I guess the kind of maybe has been sort of. I think there's something like that. There's some sort of a union that they tried to put together.

T.J. Dillashaw drinks a lot of water. He's a healthy boy. He seems healthy and hydrated, that's for sure. Do you know who Mike Epps is, by the way? Did you read that he beat up that other comedian? He beat up a comedian for a joke. That's hilarious. Stole a joke?

No. The guy did a joke on his Instagram where he snorted Coke, and he pretended he was Mike Epps. He did like a Mike Epps joke. Oh, wow. And then Mike Epps and his boys beat the fuck out of him. Oh, wow. I guess he was mocking the Kevin Hart Epps field.

Yeah, because Kevin Hart and Mike Epps were in some sort of a beef. And Mike Epps was talking shit about Kevin Hart, and Kevin Hart made a video about it and said, you know, you're not on my level, and you need to up your ticket sales, which is hilarious. Kevin Hart's hilarious. He is funny. I don't know who was, you know, what started it all. I have no idea.

But apparently Mike Epps didn't like what this guy did on his Instagram. Have you seen the video he did? No. It's available. You can get it. Pull it up. It's off of his Instagram. On the guy that got beat up?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. He did a video where he pretended to be Mike Epps with Coke all over his nose. Wow. And then he did a Kevin Hart impression where he's on his knees. All right. There we go. I mean, it's not the best piece in the world.

Still be pissing people off, huh? Did he take it down? People are being sensitive. Where is it? It's not that far away. Okay, this is May. Well, just try to find the video. Do a search on it because it'll pop up really quickly.

Yeah, it's fucked up, man. Comedians hitting each other over jokes. That's the most ridiculous thing ever. You're looking for attention? Especially if it's a guy who does coke. Do you do coke, bitch? No, sir. I mean, I'm saying not you.

I'm just kidding, bitch. I mean, if you do, you can't be mad if someone makes fun of you doing coke. Like if someone did a video with me smoking weed, what am I going to say? That's outrageous. Who are you? What kind of fucking bullshit is this? I was afraid I was going to come back from the bathroom and everyone was getting beat up by Dwayne. I was, like, keeping him under control, you know?

Like, I was going to the bathroom. I was like, I got to make this quick because Dwayne's going to get pissed in there. Is he like a dog that you, like, leave in Starbucks? You're like, shit, please let everything be okay. Some funny stories about Dwayne. Like when I first started hanging out with him, we'd go on UFC trips, you know, and he's always on watch of what people are talking about and just kind of like, you know, kind of got this stance, like someone's always talking shit kind of deal, you know? Right.

And this guy just started working for the UFC and he's giving us a ride to the grocery store to pick up our healthy stuff for the week and to keep it in our room. And Dwayne's talking, he's telling a story and this guy interrupts him a couple times you know and i can see duane get pissed about it and like i just i only know duane now for like a month maybe two and he's at my first fight and like i'm nervous you know because like he he comes across really harsh to people but if you understand his personality he's joking but it's hard to tell if he's joking and so he keeps interrupting this guy he's like you know me one more time i'm gonna drop you oh no he asked this hey if you guys keep being rude i'll drop so he keeps interrupting this guy, he's like, you interrupt me one more time, I'm gonna drop you. Oh no, he asks this, hey, if you guys keep being rude, I'll drop you off right here in the corner.

He's like, if you keep being rude, I'll drop you right now in this car. And the guy shut up for the entire ride. Like he was like so scared, like, man, we're cool with it now, but like he was so scared while we were in the car. He was definitely scared, yeah, it just comes across. You know, I'm never really gonna beat somebody up.

I've had to fight in a long time, but I'm dead serious about interrupting someone finish their set it's like a martial arts respect people do it accidentally all the time but don't do it around Dwayne some guys are just not that skilled

in the art of talking there's weird little moments where you want to say something and you can't and you're like yeah yeah you know like right now yeah okay ready yeah so but uh his manager it was mike and it was mike oh i was in jeff is it jeff it was jeff and uh i was talking to somebody i was like with danny or somebody and he comes up and he interrupted right and i was like you keep interrupting me motherfucker like i'm not seriously mad, but seriously, let me finish.

You know serious shit, right? But anyway, I guess he thought I was serious. He went and told one of the guys, man, is Dwayne just a serious asshole or what? And I heard about secondary. I was like, oh, man, I'm sorry. I was just fucking around. So I definitely come across a bit aggressive sometimes. Well, you're fucking around, but you're also letting people know that they are interrupting. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, they are. Just usually people do it politely. It's like, hey hold on a second i got something to say it's like hey motherfucker are you gonna interrupt me again i'm gonna fuck you up all right let me finish my story there's some people that are so bad at it you can't even have a conversation socially awkward and shit just go this is what you're we're never gonna really be talking you're just i'm just waiting for you to finish yeah this is a crazy conversation. This is a real conversation. Sometimes my answers, I'll just fucking go off on a tangent and forget what I'm talking about.

Actually, I do that quite a bit. Sorry. Go ahead, Mr. Rogan. Go on tangents? Yes, sir. Well, that's good, though, man. That's where creativity lies. Yeah.

You're stuck in a predictable pattern. Yep. Tangents are where the wild ideas come from. Yes, sir. It's like holding your balls up to the sun to see where you're... See how many loads are left? Where's that coming from?

I don't know. The universe. Is this the video, Brian? This is TMZ talking about it. Oh, we don't know. The universe. Is this the video, Brian? This is TMZ talking about it. Oh, we don't need to play that. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. That's going to get us kicked off of YouTube.

For real. Here's the video. Yeah, because... But no, hold on. We can't... We keep getting pulled off YouTube. It's happened three times this month. Right. So, like, anytime there's a YouTube clip from now on,

I'm not playing them anymore. I mean, unless it's something that... Like, these guys are not going to put a... It's their video. We get pulled from YouTube every week. It's crazy. Every time we play a YouTube clip, either somebody wants money for it, or there's some...

Hey, YouTube's awesome. I wonder what the deal is. It's not them. It's people make claims against your videos. Even TMZ, though? I don't know. I don't know if they're gonna I mean it seems like everybody's doing it I mean we did it last year was a last

week was goddamn nature documentary video some a snake killing a crocodile we got pulled off YouTube oh it's ridiculous we getting pulled off constantly for these little YouTube videos so just play that dude's video off of Instagram yeah I think I got taken off of Instagram but it's up somewhere else oh Oh, really? Yeah. Huh. That's interesting.

Here it is. It got took down, huh? So this dude made fun of Mike Epps, and Mike Epps and his buddies beat the shit out of him. So that's what's going on today. Yeah, Mike Epps beat up a comedian for telling a joke about him. Can't be telling jokes. Some people sometimes. Here it is right here.

Y'all looking good with government checkup in here. But yeah, Kevin, I said you was overrated, nigga. Okay, here's the deal, Mike. Before you get on me, get your dick sales up, pimp. That's it. He beat the dude up for that. Really? Yep.

Wow. I mean, I don't know. Maybe he confronted him, and then the dude was like, fuck you, Mike Epps. And the dude took a swing at him. He never knows. And then Mike Epps beat him up. I don't know what really happened.

Do you know Mike Epps? Nope. I don't know. Is he a Laugh Factory guy? I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, I've seen his name up there maybe in the past. Quite honestly, I don't know the dude.

I don't know him. But I don't know the dude in Atlanta either who got beat up. It's just ridiculous. If you do coke and somebody hits you or somebody makes a joke about you, you can't hit them. That's ridiculous.

Aren't you a comedian? Yeah. Make fun of people all the time. Yeah, why? If it's funny, if someone makes fun of you and it's actually funny, you should be laughing, stupid. Did you think that was funny? Was that a funny video? Yeah, why? If it's funny, if someone makes fun of you and it's actually funny, you should be laughing, stupid.

Did you think that was funny, though? Was that a funny video, dude? Depends on if he does coke. Yeah. I don't know the story behind it. If he does coke, it makes it funnier. Yeah, yeah, for sure. If he doesn't do coke, if he's mean, he's never done coke in his life, and he sees a

video. I've been called a cokehead before. Like, why don't you get more coked up and do the UFC? I always hear that. You're coked up and do the UFC Like I always hear that You're coked up and you're doing the UFC It's called having energy you fucking pasty fucker A passionate human being motherfucker And not a robot

So maybe if he's never done coke And he saw that he would go this is bullshit I don't even do coke And then he'd get mad at the dude But if he does do coke Gotta let that slide Like you said why get mad about something If someone's making fun of you

If it is funny Just laugh about it But that's why jokes Happen about people Because they get Like me Danny tries making fun of me And I'll just go along with it

Danny's the best I'll go along with it I'll laugh Whatever So I don't get the brunt Of it too much But like Holdsworth He takes offense to it

He gets pissed And so Danny just Eats him apart If you continue to get mad About the joke It's funny We're gonna keep doing it, you know? Castillo's funny. He's hilarious. We gotta get him on

the podcast. Oh, yeah. He is hilarious. We gotta get full crew together, actually. Yeah, next time you guys come down this way with Danny, bring him by. He's a funny dude. I liked hanging out with him in Austin. He's fucking funny. That was the only time I really hung out with you guys before. Really got to sit down and talk to you guys in Austin. Besides doing the podcast.

But Danny, never before. Just meeting him at fights. Yeah, we definitely have a good crew. The whole team, man. Fuck yeah. Awesome crew. Let's do it. Yeah, for sure.

We started our own TAM radio. It's our own little podcast deal. You know, kind of messing around. Team Alpha Male Radio. That's awesome. You should get Bruce Buffer to announce that shit. We should. That's a great idea.

He would totally do that, too. He would, for sure. He loves us. Do you see he announced Michael Bisping at his wedding? Oh, no. That's cool. He announced his wedding. That's cool.

I didn't know that. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, but we started one like two years ago when I was an Ultimate Fighter. I'd break down each episode. It was a pretty cool little thing we started. It wasn't anything big, but we got some normal followers. And then Uriah shut it down because he wanted to start his own serious radio show. It was going to be Uriah's block party, so he made us stop doing it.

What? His radio show never happened. And so now two years later, we did our first one again after my fight. Okay. And it was the most disorganized crap. It was like JV of podcasts. Well, I need to talk to Uriah Faber. You can't think like that.

Yeah. That's the incorrect way of thinking. I hate to say that, but what you should do is if a guy does a podcast, then you do one too, and then both your podcasts feed off of each other and you promote each other. Yeah, exactly. There's plenty of room for other podcasts. There's room for 1,000 of them.

He just considered Team Alpha Male as his team, so we're using TAM Radio. We're using Team Alpha Male. So what? For him, it's only going to benefit his brand. For sure. And you guys are a part of Team Alpha Male. You using Team Alpha Male. For him, it's only going to benefit his brand. And you guys are a part of Team Alpha Male. You pay Team Alpha Male. You represent it in the cage. You give a percentage of your purse

to that. I mean, that's like being from Yale and not being able to say you're from Yale. You know? Makes sense. Right? I mean, we're the Yale lawyers. No, you're not allowed to say that. What the fuck are you talking about? I'm in Yale and I'm a lawyer, you know, or whatever. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, it just seems like it would only benefit him to have you guys doing that. For sure. And it would put more attention on the team, too. Yeah, for sure. That's why we started it up again. We're going to try to, you know, try to make a run at it and see how it goes. I don't know.

We got some funny guys on the team, so. Uriah should do a serious one if he wants to do a serious one. But there's nothing wrong with you guys doing one with fucking Joe Benavidez showing his nipple rings oh yeah you know you know there is something ridiculous Dwayne is like he doesn't like the nipple rings I get real proud wrestlers yeah so wrestlers we're all freaks wrestlers are freaks right so he comes to our team and we're a whole team of freaks like you know you know joking around grabbing cocks yeah exactly messing around living too close living too close a little bit too close

to each other than you should be he's like man guys knock this stuff off he's like completely anti whatever we're doing

it makes him uncomfortable yeah wrestles will kiss you on the mouth just to freak you out they'll slip you in the tongue just to freak you out we tried to get Giff to kiss Joseph

on the way into the cage because Frank Mir's dad always kisses him before he goes in the cage she's like come on Giff on the mouth you gotta throw us a kiss on the mouth before he goes in the cage. She's like, come on, Giff. On the mouth. You've got to throw us a kiss on the mouth.

We're going into the cage before we fight, so we've got to make out a little bit. You know, Giff was like, are you kidding me? I thought we were serious, you know? Giff's awesome, man. He's coming up, right? He's going to come up for a couple days. It's a weird thing about wrestlers is that, you know, the attitude and the intensity that is developed in wrestling rooms,

it's not like anything else. The amount of hard work that you have to do to be a successful amateur wrestler is really incredible. So the amount of stress that's involved with being a wrestler is also pretty nutty. And then the amount of one-upsmanship, because you're around a bunch of fucking savages, and every savage wants to be known as the sick fuck. Yeah.

You know, like there's like, you know, I thought I was a sick fuck until I started training with Frank. You know, Frank's shit and some guy's lunch pail. You know, there's always something, and a lot of it is like pushing each other and feeding off of each other. Oh, yeah, man. Cal State Fullerton, when I wrestled, the locker room antics were ridiculous, let alone like, dude, I'm telling you, it's crazy stuff. Everyone's one-upping each other, not only in the gym, but in the locker room as well, you know?

But there's always one dude who takes it too far. Way too far. Oh, yeah. Who would that be at the academy? At our academy or when I was wrestling? No, now. I don't know. Maybe Danny.

Danny takes it too far, man. He does. He makes people almost want to cry. He's good, man. He's good. I've seen to cry yeah he's good man he's good i've seen him and justin buckle seriously ruined someone's career i think man we had this boxer that came into our gym ortega awesome boxer like awesome and he got so good at mma so fast was doing awesome double legs jiu-jitsu was catching on quick he was like a thug though he grew up on the streets and uh you know we everyone respected we got in the gym and he's beating danny up like danny's in the ufc and ortega's you know getting the best of him in the

gym you know and then we go on this trip down to southern california to go train and we hang out with ortega for like five days straight we find out who he is and you know how like i don't know he's just mentally weak kind of you know and so they just started making fun of him breaking him down and and they broke him down so hard for five days straight then when we got back to the gym like everything fell apart for him his dog died got bit by a rattlesnake he crashed and totaled his car and then like just started losing fights and dan ever since danny found out how like mentally weak he was and how he could like take advantage of him he started just kicking his butt

in the gym mentally broke the dude that's crazy That's crazy. Mentally broke him down. That's weird. I was like, Danny, that's messed up. Did you just ruin that guy? He's like, I know. I feel bad. The mental game feels crazy. He feels bad? Oh, yeah.

I mean, yeah. This kid was awesome, dude. Ortega was the man. That's crazy. He was looking good in the gym and then just got broke down. That is really bizarre. That's a fascinating psychological study. Yeah.

I mean, I hate that a dude had to suffer to get that data, but it is quite interesting. Like, Danny respected him so much when we were practicing, he was getting beat up by him, but then once he found out who he was, I mean, Ortega's awesome, but once he found out that he was just some other kid that was easily made fun of and took it to heart, then he just broke him and beat him up in the gym, too. Wow.

That's really weird, man. But it's that kind of shit. Like, people would say, that's cruel, that's horrible, that's really weird man but it's that kind of shit like people would say that's cruel that's horrible that's but the mental game

is just as important as the physical game if not more and someone you're kind of doing mental sparring when you're around a bunch of savages

you know you really are I mean I used to remember snide comments that guys would say right before you would spar like dudes would say weird shit to you

you're like what is going on what did you say weird shit to you? You're like, what is going on? What kind of negative weird shit is it? And they're planting seeds of doubt in your head, you know? Yeah. Man, that's what, you know, we don't have any of that at the academy. The whole, the team here, man, it's really a special time. Like, the whole team's badass.

Except that Ortega fella. Ask him about it. But I guess recently, like, since I've been there. We saved his life, though, man. Like, we've turned him into, like, so much of a better person. But we saved his life, though, man. We've turned him into so much of a better person. He's got his own gym. He's getting married. He's having a kid.

His gym's successful. He's on the right path. Things happen the right way for him. He's successful now. Right. And he's a great boxer still to this day. But I think he was good, but I don't think he could have made it to an elite level to make a living off of fighting. So he kind of fast-tracked, I think, the failure of it.

That's interesting. Yeah, or maybe he would have had to rise from the fire, figure it out and get his mental game the same area where his physical game was. Some guys can do that. You make gains in both areas, for sure. Yeah, but it's harder, it seems like, to make gains in the mental area. Yeah, I think so.

The physical is obviously very difficult as well, but there's something about when a guy loses his confidence very difficult to get that confidence back yep that's one thing too with all these guys here at the academy or at tomorrow they're all super mentally tough because you know they're winners in wrestling and that just spread on through and now they have a sickening work ethic with the proper technique down everyone's just helping each other out it's it's a It's a mastermind group of martial arts. We're involved in the current stage of the martial art evolution right now. Without a doubt.

And wrestling is so tough that it makes fighting for me so much easier. The struggles I had through wrestling and how hard it was on me, how hard it was on my body, and we compete for six to nine months straight. You're in the gym grinding for that long straight, and then you have this break to where as fighting, you get to peak yourself for each event. But wrestling, you're wrestling every week, and you're grinding all throughout a whole season,

and then you have to get to the end of the year and stay at top form. So many people get hurt, and it affects the way the NCAAs go down. I feel like the smarter coaches don't have their guys go as hard in the beginning of the season and then peak them for the end, which they should do, you know? And I wish I would have known that more. Like, now that I'm a professional athlete, I wish I would have known how to peak myself for wrestling like I do for fighting. Do you have a guy who works with you the way Dwayne does

with striking, with your conditioning and monitoring your heart rate? I'm slowly getting into that i've had to go back and forth of where i'm training for my strength my strength conditioning i found a new guy for my for this first camp uh or the first time i've used him was for this camp for uh brow and uh i wanted to put some size on you know and so i've been doing a lot of strengthening for when i was far out and um because i knew brow was a big guy i wanted to be able to use my muscle against his um but yeah i still want to get more into that i feel i feel training outside the gym is

really important to staying healthy instead of just grinding beating yourself up every day with the martial arts end of it you know you see gsp doing all this stuff to keep his body healthy and strong and i feel like that will prolong my career if i can do that yeah strength training especially it seems to to protect a lot of guys from a certain amount of injuries, but then again it causes a certain amount of injuries. There's a lot of guys get injured from strength and conditioning work and then they're broken down

by the time they get into the gym. Just doing it wrong. Same thing as barring and doing drills. I need to find a coach that knows MMA as well because I don't think, like a lot of strength and conditioning coaches don't realize how hard you're working every day. I'll go into the gym and I have two hard practices and I end my day with strength conditioning because you know I don't want to hinder my performance in the gym so I want to make my strength conditioning last and then he's trying to make

kill me in that workout too so it's like man I'm doing three workouts that are ridiculously hard maybe on this day we should go lighter you know or or cycle it off my training schedule know more about the sport and this guy Ish I've been been training with does a really good job of it. Almost goes too hard, but I've kind of had to help him peak me. Yeah, that's good about communication with a good coach too, making sure you're pushing him just enough, pulling him back if need be. That's one thing too here at Tumafumel. I have a coach's dream.

These guys work hard. The only thing I need to do is pull them back. They have no problem going hard. There's no babysitting in my job at all. That's so fantastic. That's the biggest complaint you ever hear about trainers. No babysitting. Is having to babysit a talented fighter that doesn't like to train.

You always heard that about, you know, I hate to bring up his name, Rampage. You always heard that about Rampage. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a great fight. When Rampage was on, I mean, people talk a lot of shit about Rampage. I never talk shit about Rampage. He's awesome. Especially the Pride days. That dude earned his status for life. Rampage was on. I mean, people talk a lot of shit about Rampage. I never talk shit about Rampage. He's awesome.

Especially the Pride Days. That dude earned his status for life. That slam of Ricardo Arona when he's locked up in that triangle. That was sweet. The way he knocked out Kevin Randleman. That's right. Dude, the Rampage from the Pride Days, you know, that guy, just for that. Forget about knocking out Chuck Liddell. Forget about his UFC fights.

Just from that. But, you know, Rampage, it's a job and he gets paid a lot of money to do it, but I don't necessarily know how motivated he is at certain fights. Dolce had a problem with it and other guys have had a problem

with it. But he's so fucking talented. If you could get a guy like him and get a brain and the kind of motivation of a younger rampage, that's where it's... This is a perfect example right here. World-class athlete with the proper information, good training partners, and world

champion. This is the cutting-edge martial art right here. There's nothing better than this human being right now as far as the martial arts ever. It's crazy. It is. But don't tell him that, right? It's too late. You just did. And getting better. Yeah, you're getting better for sure. You're getting better. Having's crazy. It is. But don't tell him that, right? It's too late. You just did. And getting better. Yeah, you're getting better for sure. Having new things.

It's been awesome for me to live through these guys. It's crazy. The way you spun out of his turning sidekick too. Every time he threw that turning sidekick, you used his body on the turn. You were with him the entire way. It's like you were just a half a step ahead of

his movement all the way around the curve it's amazing i know i i seriously had so much fun in there like i mean it's it's a nerve-wracking thing you're doing right you're getting into a cage to fight in the pound for pound the best guy in the world i mean let alone any guy getting the cage with you nervous obviously just to perform but uh i had so much fun that i soaked it all up and just kind of I don't know the fight was in slow motion for me I mean I felt like I felt like the fight was almost an hour long and I could have let it go I feel like I would have gone even though obviously I want that belt around my waist and want to be done as soon as possible I feel like it could have gone so much longer just because I was obviously I was in the zone to where like it's professional athletes would pay so much money to get, obviously.

It just felt amazing. And every time he threw a spin kick, I just saw it. And he's got a fast one, but I would just see it. The one you see in your forehead. There it is right here. Look, you can see it right here. See, I actually could have taken his back a couple times when he threw those spin kicks. And for some reason, I just kept striking. It's just, I don't know.

You're natural. Yeah, that's the article that I was bringing up. It's on Fightland, which is a Vice website. Oh, those guys are awesome. Yeah. And the dude's name is Jack Slack, and it says How TJ Dillashaw Killed the King. I did see this. It's a

great article. It's really good as far as the technical aspects of striking. Broke it down very well in a way that it's really difficult to break down and very difficult to do so, especially if you're trying to do it doing commentary, because there's a lot of aspects of movement that he's taking into account about loading up and about firing one, two shots at a time, being predictable.

And now other guys have kind of exposed it. being predictable. And now other guys have kind of exposed it. He showed his fight with Eddie Wineland. With the fates. Yeah, Wineland made him move a lot

when he fainted and whiff it at bare air. And also with Brad Pickett a little bit. He showed some of that as well.

With his brawling. Yeah, so this actually came out before my fight. Obviously the new stuff with me up there is new. No, this came out after your fight.

This is the images. No, this is how you killed the king. Yeah, yeah. There was an article just like this. I think it might have been from the same person. Yes, it was. That broke down exactly how to beat Burau is before my fight. And he was going over things that how, like, obviously, Burau's an awesome champion.

But these are little holes that you can maybe figure out on him. And it came out before my fight. And Buckles had me watching it in my room the week of my fight and it was funny because the guy whoever did it was really good because uh he he really we're already drilling all the stuff he was talking about like it went hand in hand with what me and duane were already practicing and uh yeah yeah that's another article called killing the king yes yep you know and it's amazing because this guy gave you some advice some great advice yeah it was good it was good stuff yeah and it does show because this guy gave you some advice some great advice it was good stuff the Killing the King one is equally interesting

and equally well informed he's excellent, very good writer that's another example of what I was talking about this new breed of writer and fan that's coming along these people that have been involved don't show him losing dickhead

what the fuck are you doing he's got to shrink my head a little bit These people that have been involved, don't show him losing. Fuck. Dickhead. What the fuck are you doing? He's got to shrink my head a little bit. I've got to fit through the door when I walk out. If there's the wrong shit to show, he'll show it. That's good to free private lesson. I was just scrolling it. Yeah, yeah, and you paused on it for a long time. I was looking to see what happened.

It looked like you injured your leg. We can show you if you want now. The Vice Fightland was by far, I think, my favorite interviews I did leading up to the fight. I did a big PR tour, and I went and talked with them, and then they were there the day before my fight or two days before my fight. I think those are my favorite interviews to do. They were cool dudes. Yeah, the Vice guys. Well, Shane Smith is a friend of ours, and he's the founder of the whole thing, and it all trickles down from him.

He's an interesting cat. Very, very nice guy, too. He's been on the podcast a few times, right? Yeah, yeah. He's an interesting cat. Very, very nice guy, too. He's been on the podcast a few times, right? Yeah, yeah. And he's a huge, huge fan of the UFC and just a guy who's just experienced almost too much. You know, he's almost been around too many different places,

been too many different parts of the world. He's like, he gets overwhelmed sometimes. Just talk to him. He starts talking about the nuclear conflict between Pakistan and India and global warming and fucking Manhattan's going underwater. I mean, he's just traveling all over the world to fuck jobs. Oh, we're in Chernobyl shooting nuclear wolves with rifles.

So all his talk is negative for the most part, huh? Well, not necessarily. He's a really friendly, sweet guy. But I think maybe he sees a little too much. I got you. Yeah, you're exposed. Yeah, you're going to be a product of your environment, right? Just like a fighter is not supposed to spar three times a day every day. I got you. Yeah, you're exposed. Yeah, you're going to be a part of your environment, right? Just like a fighter

is not supposed to spar three times a day, every day. Yes, sir. Yeah. You're probably not supposed to see crazy shit. Good thing he came into our life

and changed that up because that's what we used to do. Did you really change that up? Well, not three times a day. We trained like, we'd spar like three times a week, I think. Sometimes, not always,

but before he got there, we did a lot more sparring, you know, which looking back on it, I don't think it's the healthiest thing, but it definitely got me a whole lot faster really quick in my gym, you because uh i had i had to or so i wasn't going to make it when you came in they were sparring three times a week what did you how did

you change that program i just asked for the guys to spar hard once a week and still controlled sparring though with that and i give them uh i give them four rules i asked them to follow four rules show up on time, get better, get tired, take care of your partner. They do those four things and we're good. In all drills especially in sparring as well. You just got to make sure that you take care of the guy because he's going to be there to help you the next day and so on.

We understand that in sportsmanship. Decelerating on shots when you can. Decelerating on shots when you can. Definitely not knocking each other out. If you got him hurt then relax a little bit. Let him off the pillow pillow don't finish him if it's a body shot just touch the head a little bit if it's a head shot and you rocked him now you're just gonna touch the body or what i tell ask my guys to do also is if they if they hurt the guy now if i hurt you now i'm on defense now you got to fight out of it and i'm just working on defense and things

like that just make sure he's not keep getting you know punch punch punch that's smart keep working but work on something yeah you gotta switch it. If I rock you, I'm on defense now. You've got to fight out of it because that's what's going to happen. That's the likely scenario. I try to take a whole bunch of typical scenarios. Fuck, relax. Typical scenarios that happen in the fights and pull them into the gym. That's it. Just watch it slow down. I'll set a

goal and create a handicap. That would be the handicap. The handicap would be, I can't throw back. The goal is for you to fire back out of you being rocked. Or, we're going to counter right hand today. The goal of the drill is for you to counter my right hand. The goal is not for me to punch you in the face, but get it close enough to the realistic aspect that he has to properly react to come back with something. You're just slowing things down, which is the same case for jiu-jitsu.

That's how slow jiu-jitsu is, which gives you more time to react. Plus, you're not going to get punched in the face, so you're not freaking out. Well, if I can take away that fear of not freaking out and getting punched in the face, then I can focus on the proper techniques and what needs to happen. So you make it a part of muscle memory so that if you're in a scenario where things are getting wild, your body is automatically going to move that way in the first place. Correct. Yep.

I want to have that muscle memory, that subconscious protection and reaction. One of the things I found interesting about your system is you've also taken into account people that are scared to get hit. And you've sort of developed this way to slowly build up their confidence. Yep, correct. And how do you apply that? By, okay, we're going to spar today, and we're going to go 50%, just nice and light. Or at a pace where you're not going to be scared.

If I'm getting scared, can you slow it down a little bit? Or I need to make sure I'm there to tell him to slow it down because i don't see the proper reactions out of this guy so he's still freaking out so you need to slow it down i'm going 50 okay if that's your 50 motherfucker then go 10 you know you gotta slow down right i'm watching the guy uh things like that but then also just uh setting the goals to like put the guy he was back against the wall and this guy just throwing straight shots and again the goal of the drill is for him to defend the straight shots not for me to punch him in the face but even though you know it's coming, you can relax and don't talk as fast as me and defend the punches.

Ernesto Hoost was talking recently about Mr. Perfect, one of the greatest kickboxers of all time. Beautiful to watch. He was talking recently about training and about how some gyms, they knock each other out in the gym and he's like, that's ridiculous. That should never happen. He's like, you don't need to do that

to save it for the fight. He's one of the greatest kickboxers ever. He's like, that's ridiculous. That should never happen. He's like, you don't need to do that to save it for the fight. And he's one of the greatest kickboxers ever. But he's like, you're wasting yourself in the gym. Because there's certain gyms, like kickboxing gyms, like Mike's gym. Mike's gym, I heard about this. Reputation for just wars. They go to war. Melvin Manhoof and Badr Hari throwing fucking rocks at each other.

I learned so much from this place. King's MMA, Rafael Cordero's gym. But, man, I went down there, and I think I've never been scared to get into there for the second time. You go in there, it's full-out war. You're going as hard as you possibly can, seeing people get dropped and stuff. And you have to be on your A game. And the next time I went in there for sparring, I was nervous getting in there. Because I was going with bigger dudes, too.

I mean, they let you spar with whoever. And there was a guy throwing knees at my head. Oh, my God. And it was insanity. And I actually got to spar with Rafael Cordero, and he dropped me, like, twice to the stomach with his push kick, man. He's got, like, seriously the best push kick I've ever felt. Yeah, he's a great Muay Thai guy.

Like, dropped me. Like, I'm on my stomach, like, oh, you know. Like, this was, like, my first fight in the UFC, and he just tooled me up, you know. The sport needs more masters of the martial arts like that, like Rafael Cordero. Yeah, absolutely. Master in their art. That's awesome.

I just don't know if I agree with that shoot-the-box way of training. No, I don't like that either. It seems like it's not the best way anymore. It works with some guys. Some guys it works for, but I think that there's there's there's certainly something to be said for his results i mean you look at the guys that he trained anderson silva fucking vanderley silva shogun ninja i mean just madman and i i went in there and kind of fit in perfectly because i was just going super aggressive as well and went really hard which i'm glad i

learned to not do so any much anymore but uh it was funny because Babalu's in there. Instead of using hand wraps, he's just got his hands duct-taped, just hard as a rock duct-taped underneath there. He's got his shingles duct-taped on. He's just a scary dude. And after I got done with practice and how he was talking to everyone, he had to point out how much he loved my sparring because of how hard I went. It should have been the opposite.

It should have been like, you know, you need to control it a little bit. You kind of beat up on this guy. But instead he was like, I love it. you need to come back here more you know wow oh yeah he's an animal he's an animal ask the guys at tomah let's not get let's say the brain cells for the for the fight itself and let's do smart training and sparring yeah i mean it's interesting the different approaches some guys just fucking stomp the pedal to the metal and when the wheels fly off the car, all right, I guess we're stopping here. Yeah, it's Vanderlei.

But he's not. I mean, this Vanderlei thing is crazy that's going on right now. Oh, yeah, I heard he had a random drug test and he bounced. They tried to get him

with a random drug test and he said, I'm fucking out of here. Ran out of his house, I heard. I don't know what happened. I think it was the gym. I think it was the gym.

But he was like, where's your paperwork? Who are you? I gotta go. I think Chael's the one think it was the gym You know but he was like Where's your paperwork Who are you I gotta go I think Chael's the one That said he ran right Who knows if he actually did run Most likely

Stories always flip around Who's Chasen Vanderlake Yeah not me Chasen Vanderlake What would you do If you caught him Shit Tell him good job

Hey you run quick Don't kill me Yeah really What's fucking Nevada State Athletic Commission piss collector guy? I don't even know if he can run, probably. Yeah, I mean, that is the last guy you want to chase. Oh, that's hilarious.

And so he said he had some, he made a video, said he's got some excuse for why he didn't. But he's got to work it out with the Nevada State Athletic Commission, whatever it is. They took testosterone off, right? No one could be on test anymore? No one is. Well, he was never on it. He didn't have an exemption, so he wasn't on it is. They took testosterone off, right? No one could be on test anymore? No one is. Well, he was never on it. He didn't have an exemption, so he wasn't on it officially. Don't look at me like that, Dwayne

Ludwig. I'm just stretching, man. I got a sting in my back. Okay, what's that, Mr. Rogan? I think he's probably had a vitamin or two in his day. He's healthy. Yeah, I think he's... He works out. He must work out. Supplements are involved. Some of his Primary development

Especially early in the day You look at the pride fights He was a motherfucker dude Man Pride was so special Oh god Man I wanna Crazy

I gotta watch some more of those fights I gotta watch some more pride fights We have these pride gloves And I wanted to ask you about these Because I asked Brendan Schaub About them the other day Do you think that there's a way To make a glove

Yes That has less finger pokes? And is it a pride glove? Because a pride glove has a little bit of a curve to the hand. I think that's the answer because Booster, they made a pair of gloves that you can open your hand all the way. I thought that was perfect because you can open your hand all the way and then you're going to be less finger pokes.

It's all like this. Yeah, it's just like a little cup, like a little mitten. I mean, your finger's still exposed, but you just can't open your hand all the way. It was sewn on the side, so you just couldn't do it. There was a little cup, like a little mitten. I mean, your finger's still exposed, but you just can't open your hand all the way. It was sewn on the side, so you just couldn't do it. There was a little hinge there. I think that would actually be better for grappling. I think that would help.

You can still punch and grab and everything. For the most part, you kind of grapple with that monkey grip anyways. Except wrist control. Yeah. Except when a guy like Verdum. Verdum uses a lot of wrist control with his triangles. Well, I mean, you use your thumb. I mean, the thumb will be fine.

You can use the thumb the exact same way. But if your hands are curled, I mean, you're going to grab the wrist the same way. Your hand's still going to be curled. You know, you can be able to grab exact same way, but if your hands are curled, you're going to grab the wrist the same way. Your hand's still going to be curled. You're going to be able to grab it like that. I guess. Do you really use individual finger manipulation? Right. You never do this. You never interlock your fingers.

That's something that... That's true, right? That is true. Vandelay did used to clinch his fingers together. But do you think the correct technique, Thai-wise, is like this anyway? I like palm over palm, yeah. If you want to do this, you can, but I just, I don't know. I just think it's a stronger grip.

Yeah, I think it's a stronger grip as well. Like I'm seeing guys get away with weird grips in takedowns, but when you lock a guy's waist, the gable grip just feels so right. Nice, yeah. It just feels like you're a world champion. Let me just snuggle you, sucker. I just love this little guy. You've got so much power in that position.

It's such a good position. But if they can have something where the fingertips are covered where you can't poke the eyes. They weren't covered in the gloves I've seen. Maybe you have to cover them. I'm not sure. They were pretty much just like this but just had a hinge on the sides so you can open it all the way. Do you think that you could

have it so that the fingertips are somewhere or another covered with like a softer piece of leather Yeah, something along those lines just something that yes That's we custom fit gloves to be perfect then I guess each a fighter after the custom fit gloves How hard would that be you got a mouthpiece you have a mouthpiece? Why can't you have custom fit a fight? They'd have to be measured to the day of the fight for the Maybe cuts and such yeah because some fingers are different lengths. It just seems to me like

at least we should be exploring other options. How many fighters have to be pulled from the eye? I think if they can open their hands all the way. Yeah, boom. I think that would be it. Yeah, I think so too. The Jon Jones move. It's hard, right? Jon Jones does that

a lot and he's always criticized for it. Look, he's got the greatest physical advantage I've ever seen inside the octagon, and he's the smartest ever at using it. I mean, he's the best at keeping guys at the end, but damn, there's a lot of eye pokes involved in his fight. Yeah, there are, definitely with him, for sure. And he could get away with the same strategy and same style if the fingertips were covered, and it would be fine. If there was a way to touch foreheads,

he'd still be able to throw those elbows and punches i mean he's not trying to do it in the eyes on grabbing the wrist and hands wouldn't it from the distance well it also would make s grips you would actually have more more friction you know if you had a s grip you didn't break that yeah you'd have if you had like a like some sort of a suede or something like that like something with a little bit of traction to it once you you lock that up, you'd actually have... Some texture as well. Yeah. As long as, I mean, your fingers... The only difference would be you wouldn't get as much hand because you would have like a little meat in between.

Yep, yep. So it wouldn't be able to fully lock in. Let's take a wrap anyway. Yeah. It's always a little bit tricky to grab with the wraps around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything that makes your hands fatter. Mm-hmm.

But have you tried those Bellator gloves? No. No. Bellator has an Everlast that's like curved. And it also has more padding over the metacarpal to offer more support on impacts and to think that it'll protect...

They should start keeping stats on broken hands and eye pokes and see who has more obviously in either organization. Well, Bellator had, like the first day they used it they had an eye poke. So the eye pokes are still going to be there. But nobody's broken their hand. So they had a gang of people

break their hands before. But with these new gloves, I don't believe they've had a hand break. How long have they had them for? They've had them for a while. Wow. Like, I think there was like 11 fights and out of those 11 fights, no one had a hand break and that was like the first time they'd ever had that. Wow. I should pay attention to that and give a better accurate assessment of it.

But I love that they're doing something. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, these are our moneymakers. Keep them safe. Yeah. You've got to punch correctly. It's also, it should be, there should be a lot of consideration taken to this stuff. And when you see the same thing happen over and over, what's it what's the definition of insanity doing the same thing

over and over again expecting different results when you have these people that are getting poked in the eyes over and over and over again it's like this isn't the only way we can do this guys there's there's other fucking ways all right if you guys goggles how about you see guys train guys training get arm bars when they have boxing gloves on giant fucking fucking 16-ounce gloves, and they'll take arm bars. They'll try to do rear naked chokes, to do like a half-assed rear naked choke. You can grapple. You can grapple and still not poke guys' fucking arm.

I'll be sparring Uriah, and I'll throw like a jab or something, and he'll catch my glove in between it, you know, catch it and stop me and then hit me. First guy I ever saw do it, I think, was Josh Thompson. He's a clever veteran. He choked someone and grabbed the inside of his own glove. And you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to grab your own glove.

You're allowed to hold it on your own glove? Yes. Yeah, you can't hold another dude's glove, but you could choke the fuck out of a guy with your glove. Like hook underneath it. They might have changed that. I don't believe they have, though. I think it would be much harder to fight your hand off.

Like say I did the Gable Grip, you'd be able to fight your hand off. Like, say I did the gable grip. It would have been easier than if I was hitting all the way back here. Yeah, if you were tucked deep in that wrap underneath. You're holding onto a leather cord, you know? After I watched my fight, in the first round, I could have went for the Japanese necktie. Oh, you think so? I could have went for it. I went on top for some ground-up pound and was rushing it, and he came into my half guard.

I could have possibly went for the Japanese necktie yeah maybe that would have been crazy if you especially because the on it the on it uh the video yeah yeah well and then also they offered me an extra bonus if i were to finish my next fight with the japanese necktie so i told aubrey that's awesome i told aubrey he's like all right man i'm getting i'm getting mizugaki with that you know obviously my fight changed but i was i could have gone for it, man. That would have been hilarious. Because I love the darts anyways, and I saw that there as well. I could have gone for it.

For folks who have no idea what we're talking about, there's a technique called the darts. It's a very common choke that when a guy has an underhook on you, his arm is essentially wrapped around your body, and you can get your arm underneath his arm. Your forearm goes underneath his armpit, and it slides up past his neck. Then what you do is you put your other arm over the back of his head and he clasps a hold of your bicep.

It's very difficult to put all those things together because most guys recognize when the arm is underneath the armpit that you're in danger. So someone developed a technique called the Japanese necktie. And what it allows you to do is it allows you to clasp your hands together over the back of the head and never cinch it up on your bicep. But still, it actually becomes an even more effective technique because you trap the head in the center of your chest and it's a nasty neck crank. And TJ and Danny Castillo and I were all doing this in an Onnit video, and we were going over the technique. And so that's when Onnit came up with this idea of having you have a benefit.

Yeah, because, I mean, I've already fallen in love with it. I've done it in the gym all the time now, too. Because I go for that darts, and like you said, people try to defend it, and then you can still hold on and get that choke. Such a great move. It'll also give you a blow choke and hurts really bad. It hurts bad. I tap immediately when I get locked up in that.

Danny's neck was so stiff after you guys rolled that. That's right, yeah. He tried like manning out. He's like, all right, go hard on this. You know, you got him in like the umoplata and then you turned him over and got him like in a little neck crank. Yeah, you can roll, man. He's like trying to fight out of it.

He's like, for like a good like week, he's like, dude, my neck. It hurts so bad. What did he finish his guy with in Brazil? He got the head and arm or he had an anaconda or darts? I don't remember. Huck. He just finished somebody in Brazil. I think a head and arm.

Well, Danny's like, he's just so not interested in being on the bottom. He's not interested. He's a dominant wrestler. All these guys. All these smashers. His top game is so hard. But I just wanted him to see it. And I was teaching it to Aubrey's friend, Whitney.

I was showing her the technique. She's really into jiu-jitsu. So I was showing her some rubber guard stuff And I just wanted to show it on a strong guy like Danny like watch this shit works. I'm trying to get out Yeah, you lock a guy up mission control. Oh, you know and like I'm a middle-aged comedian. You know The reality is I'm a middle-aged comedian reality is you're a fucking ninja The reality is I'm a middle-aged comedian. The reality is you're a fucking ninja.

I can't believe how flexible you are. You're pretty stout, but your legs are so flexible. Yeah, well, I've stretched my whole life. You're a martial artist. I make sure that I stretch. I can't do the rubber. I mean, I could try to, but to the extent you do rubber guard, I can't do that. Well, I could do full lotus. I could do double lotus.

I can flatten my legs out like that, lie on my stomach. But I make it. I make it work. When I lift, especially if I lift legs, I stretch out for 40 minutes, man. 40 whole minutes after I train. Especially with legs. You can't

fuck around with that because that was my bread and butter. It was my kicking ability. All throughout Taekwondo, of course, and then when I started kickboxing, this thing that separated me from a lot of other guys was the dexterity. Have you seen this fucking guy who's fighting in glory now that is Raymond Daniels?

Have you seen this dude? Oh I know who you mean. Holy shit. He hit a dude with a sidekick jumping turning sidekick in the face and knocked a guy out in glory. One of the wildest kick combinations in a kickboxing match I've ever seen. He dropped the dude with the right hand,

the guy went down, and he hit this jumping sidekick, spinning sidekick in the air right in the dude's face. Pull that up. Raymond Daniels Glory KO. It's like one of the greatest kick KOs ever. When did you start training in martial arts? When I was 14, I took

karate. Well, I took kung fu when I was really young, but I got serious when I was 14. I took karate, and then I went to this Taekwondo school from 15 on, and that was J. Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston. From then on, I was obsessed. Nice. Yeah, yeah. From 15 to like 22. Man, I want to see

him wheel kick someone. Dude, right? I tried the pads. That's right. You got to get some more videos going. Well, I would do some with you, man. Let's do it. Yeah, I would love to. Here it is. Watch this, dude.

This shit is ridiculous. This guy's a bad motherfucker, and he's a perfect example. Why isn't it working? Here it goes. Watch this. It's going all right. Oh. Look at that.

Are you fucking kidding me? Watch that shit again. I mean, that at that. Are you fucking kidding me? Watch that shit again. I mean, that is incredible. That is the wildest Taekwondo shit I've ever seen. Man, do they show that in slow motion after this? Yeah, but look how good that is, man. That was perfect. That dude is wicked.

Give me one more of those. Show that again one more time. God damn, that dude's good. But it's like those type of techniques. We're just starting to see now in kickboxing and MMA. Look at this touch. Bang. Jumping, spinning sidekick to the mug.

I mean, and the dude just goes right on the dick. Bam. Look at that. The referee was on that. That's Oscar Martinez. He's a really good Muay Thai instructor in Colorado. Wow, that came out amazing. Well, this fight was in Colorado.

Yes, sir. Yeah, this was in Denver. I mean, the guy's incredible. But you're starting to see those techniques. And those techniques have always existed in Taekwondo tournaments. But when you factor in leg kicks, when you factor in takedowns, it's very rare that you see them. But you're starting to see those things emerge now. Because once you master all those other things, then you have this one thing in your arsenal

that the other guy doesn't have. And once your takedown defense is good enough, you can throw that stuff. Yes. Once you're comfortable with being taken down, you can throw that stuff. And when you're comfortable enough with your striking that you get that extra looseness,

just that extra gap. And there's some guys that just have wicked spinning techniques. And if you have those techniques, did you see Honey Jason land that spinning elbow? Looseness, just that extra gap. And there's some guys that just have wicked spinning techniques. And if you have those techniques, did you see Honey Jason land that spinning elbow? A couple times landed that spinning elbow in his fight this past weekend. Sweet timing. It's just another added element. He trained, too, his elbows, obviously.

We didn't want the pads and such. But you've got to watch it in sparring, just do little drills and everything, like ground-to-pound drills to work the elbows. But I'm curious to see what spinning elbow he threw and how he trained it. It was beautiful, man. It was beautiful. He slipped it in inside of a guy's jab. He slipped the jab and went right into it.

Bam! It was really nice timing. But you're seeing more of that. You're seeing more spinning backfists. Left elbow. Wheel kicks. It was right elbow, I think. I believe.

I believe. I might have to see it again. He slipped to the outside. Oh, outside the gym. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he slipped to the left and landed the right elbow. Okay. But, you know.

Yeah, slipped to his right, landed the right elbow. So things like that. We just balance combinations and things off each other. The game was just like, we take off on some combinations. You should watch that. There's a couple of moments in that fight, especially in the first round when you landed that elbow. I was like,

that is one of the nicest executed spinning elbows I've ever seen. I was too busy doing a Dwayne Bang seminar. We didn't get to watch the fights. We were doing a seminar. Where were you guys?

That was good. Team up from LGM at Ultimate Fitness. Oh, it must have been a mob show. Yeah, it was good. We had a good turnout for sure. The champ is here.

Yeah, we did. It was cool, man. We did belt rankings and stuff too, so it was pretty cool. That was awesome. Does anybody have a black belt in your system? I have one black belt other than me. I guess I gave myself my own black belt, but it's Wally McDonald in Rochester, New York. He's a partner with Chris Herzog, who's one of the main guys in 10th Planet. Oh, that's awesome, man. So there's only one black belt?

One other black belt other than me, yeah, and then one current brown belt, that's awesome, man. So there's only one black belt. One other black belt other than me, yeah, and then one current brown belt, which is T.J. Dillashaw. Damn, T.J. Dillashaw is the only brown belt? Yes, sir. Just caught it, yeah, two days ago. Two days ago, yeah. That's huge. Yeah, I think it's important to set the goal ranking and the structure and everything with the curriculum, everything from the system.

It gives a steady progression for people to follow through on things and be committed to goals as humans are. We're just committed to goals. Goal-oriented. Yeah, I had a conversation with that about a dad who was thinking that belts were bullshit. His kid was taking martial arts. And he's like, you know, belts are kind of nonsense though, right? Like if a guy can beat your ass, he can beat your ass. I'm like, yeah, but no, because it's really good for like you get a –

like when I got my blue belt, I remember I was on a TV show, but I was happier about getting my blue belt than like almost anything else. I was like, man, I'm not a white belt anymore. Woo. I'm learning jujitsu. I remember that. And that, that as a grown man was a big deal to me. But as a kid, that's giant.

To show that a kid can progress and they learn, they get new belts. Names of accomplishment or something. Huge. Huge. Boss just gave me my black belt's a huge accomplishment or something. It's huge. Boss just gave me my black belt a couple months ago. I'm still happy thinking about that, man. That was just awesome to get it from Boss Rooten. Wow, black belt from Boss Rooten. That was giant.

It was giant for me, for sure. I'm such a fan of the sport and a fan of him and just love martial arts and came up with the traditional martial arts honor and respect. I've been doing kyukshin karate since I was 8 and then Thai boxing when I was 15. So martial arts is arts is me man that's why i'm here to teach and be a martial artist i love that boss rutin is really honest about his assessment about fights

yeah he keeps it real i love the john jones eye poke thing he was really honest about that and the way he said it was really fascinating because he goes look he goes he's very relaxed in that cage he's making things up he's doing what he wants to do he's very relaxed in that cage. He's making things up. He's doing what he wants to do. He's not in a panic. So if he's doing it, he's poking in the eye, it's either intentional or what he's doing is causing it. He's aware it's causing it. He's not changing it. And he's like, you know, I think the guy's a great fighter, but this is what I believe.

I'm like, wow. I mean, that's what he always does. He keeps it as real as real gets. Yeah, he's an honest human being for sure. Agree with him or disagree with him, you will get 100% what Boss Rootin thinks when Boss Rootin is talking about it. And that's one reason why we had a strong connection, too,

when we were training, because I believed he knew what he was doing, and when he would ask me to do a technique or a combination, it was from his heart, and it was something that he chose to tell me because it fit my style. So we had a great combination, a great relation. That's what I feel with TJ and I.

We have a great, man, it's freaking awesome, man. I feel like the bond Boss and I have, we have that as well with TJ and I. Yeah, he's not going to bullshit me, you know. Absolutely. Did you learn anything from Boss about, like, Boss is pretty open about the fact that he kind of redlined his body. Yeah, he goes hard for sure. This guy too, man.

I mean, that's why. I mean, he did too much. He shouldn't have been a 55-pounder. He was going too hard all the time. He was too OCD about training. Being OCD for a coach is all right. You're going to make all your athletes better. Being OCD as an athlete, you've got to be careful.

You have to have people around you to make you slow down. Like, Uriah has done a great job with me. When I got in the gym, I wouldn't stop. I'd be in there. I lived in the gym. That's all I did. He's like, hey, man, get an escape. Get out of here. Go do something, you know, have some fun. Like, don't be so like in here always killing yourself because it's going to hinder you. It's going to hinder your body and your performance. How valuable is having a guy

like Uriah as a friend and a mentor? And how weird does that put you in a position? Because you guys are in the same weight class now and he wants to be a world champion yeah i mean it's crazy dude he's a good dude i mean you saw after he lost him in braille that that that quick stoppage that he was willing to give my name a shout out while like one of the worst things that could happen to you you know and uh yeah she shows this great character that's tough for me because i've looked up to the guy i've copied him i've done a lot of stuff for my career because of him and it's gonna be tough if that situation ever comes about i mean i don't want to have to fight the guy, you know what I mean? Right.

He's brought me up in the sport. It seems like a very honest and open approach that you're taking, though. It's like there's no ego involved there, and, you know, the way you're looking at it is very healthy. Yeah. You're being very honest about him being a mentor, you even copying a lot of his attributes, his positive attributes. Yeah.

It's a tough situation. For sure, man. I mean, like I said, I looked up to him. I mean, I owe a lot to him for where I'm at. I'm talking to you guys right now because you're our favorite. Yeah. I'm sitting here because he texted me that one night and said, can you come be our trainer? Yeah.

So, I mean, I owe a lot to that guy as well. That is the weirdest thing when it comes to fighters where they train together and then they have to fight together. Even if it's on a short period of time, like I was talking to Brendan Schaub the other night, he trained with Arlovsky quite a bit. Oh, that's right. And now he's fighting him in less than two weeks in Vancouver. I mean, that's a little bit different situation even to that,

because I mean, yeah, sure, you train with him a little bit here. I've done every day of practice underneath Uriah. For four years now, I've been at Uriah's gym nonstop. I haven't gone anywhere else to train for an extended period of time. I've been there. It's going to be tough, but we're good friends. We're like family. Everyone in that gym, we've created a little family

to where you got that guy's back. Uriah's fighting July 5th. I would love to go off and take a huge break and relax a little bit, but I've got to come back and help Uriah out. I've got to get in the gym, help run some practices, and give him some looks and stuff because i i care if he wins or not you know yeah and so since we all care about each other that much that we're gonna hold each other accountable for being in practice and you saw how crazy they went when i won the belt you know like

they were front row going insane and and that that made me tear up more than even like me actually winning the bell is going back and watching fight pass and seeing those guys react to me winning. Wow. So, yeah, it's a crazy situation that we could be put in, but they want the drama behind the fights. So, I mean, maybe if they're willing to shell out the cash, maybe me and Uriah will have a smile on our face while fighting. Wow, that would be crazy. Yeah, you're the extreme opposite end of the spectrum.

There's the Arlovsky and Schaub guys who have respect for for each other but they weren't really good friends yeah and there's you and uriah we're almost family yeah and you're in that situation where you fight in the gym on a regular basis yeah i mean i mean if the ufc really wants us to watch this fight just come to practice you know just bring a camera crew in and me that's one thing about me and uriah too is that we both got like this ego thing too and we'll throw down. I mean, sometimes we have some sparring matches that look like brothers fighting. Like, just get after it, man. Like, just a ball of craziness going everywhere, you know. And it's fun.

I mean, that's why we've gotten so much better is pushing each other that hard. I get to go watch UFC fights every day. Once a week, anyway. This must be a weird position for you to be in, to be the guy with the video game controller. And to see these guys adopting your techniques and getting better like we we've talked about it on the commentary many times there was there was a there was a jump i mean those guys were always murderers from the i mean from the first time they were in the wec all those guys were murderers benavidez has always

been a killer super slick got a lot lot of different weapons in his toolbox. But then, a difference in his striking. A difference in Chad Mendes' striking. All of them. Even if you didn't watch the fights, if you just look at the stats alone, you can tell he's made a difference. You don't even have to watch the fights to see how much better we've gotten. Just see the punches landed or us

finishing fights on our feet now. That says it all there, too. Yeah, we've got to figure out a way to keep you guys together. This is ridiculous. Yeah, for sure, man. It's definitely a special time in martial arts history. It really is. Yeah, 100%.

That has to be taken into consideration, Dwayne Ludwig. You can't just fucking fly off to Colorado. We had a practice the other day, and he's like, all right, my last practice is Tuesday. Just was like, oh, of next year, right? No one wants him to go, man. I mean, we've created this serious magic there at the gym that we don't want him to go.

Yeah, that shit needs to be worked out. We'll talk later about that. That shit needs to be worked out. The other guys in the gym, Chad Mendes is about to fight Jose Aldo for a second fight. That's another really intense, really interesting fight between a guy in Mendes

who was always a beast, but has clearly gotten better are you going to work with him for this camp it depends my my uh already finished my lease in my house because I was uh just married made a decision to leave June 12th because that's when my we signed the lease is over so in order for me to stay I'd have to stay for two more months and I got the some things happening in Colorado right now with the business in my house out there so I got to figure some things out if I can stay I'm not looking to move twice I uh if we could stay in the house that I was you know I'm currently renting then just extend the lease

then I would have stayed make some phone calls we happen here yeah do you know how crazy it'd be if Chad under your tutelage get wins a world title I think I don't think he needs me but uh I think his chances are better with me. I want to be there. There was a... The date was set before his title was announced, I think, for me to leave. I was actually... I'm not quite sure how much to say about this

situation, but... I didn't pick the date. I understand. But I'm trying to help him stay for sure. He's definitely good. He was the guy I thought was going to get the boat first just because I'd seen him closer to the rankings than the other guys. But then obviously this guy has to go ahead and get badass overnight. Jump the line, son.

And then, of course, it was Benavides and then Uriah and then TJ now and now Chad just went in opposite rotations than I was thinking anyway. But his guy that I felt would get the title shot or get the title shot and get the title first. And I do believe that he can be all though. Benavidez is going to probably eventually get another shot. I hope so.

Man, man, that was my low as far as being out here at Timothée Melo for a year and a half. That was the lowest part, lowest thing for me. I passionately care about my guys and to see them lose and lose like that, that hurt my feelings for sure for folks who don't know Benavidez got caught

with the right hand early in the first round and got knocked out by a guy in Mighty Mouse Johnson who's probably one of the you know at least top three guys

pound for pound in the world but you know Benavidez when he's at his best is right there as well that Tim Elliott fight was wild

he's bad I thought he was going to win the fight or the title fight I thought for sure he was going to win the belt. For sure. His mount is like a goddamn mountain on top of you. That mount is just boom. All these guys have killers.

He locked on top of Elliott, and you were like, whoa, this is a crazy mount. There's levels of mounts. There's some guys that, like Damian Maia in his last fight, he's got that ridiculous mount. Damian Maia gets on top of you and it's just thump. It just locks down on you and you're like, you're not bucking that guy off of you. And Benavidez with that, he gets one arm anywhere near underneath your chin. It's all these guys, right? It's incredible.

Well, then it's his legs, too. He's got strong legs. He's a joe constrictor, obviously, right? But he traps both your arms or one of your arms. It just depends. If you have one hand trying to fight that choke, you're screwed. And so he does such a good job of trapping it with his legs. He's got such good body control on that.

And that's why I'll never get caught in a guillotine anymore, man. Because of him. Because of him in favor, man. Those guys are killers on the neck. So I got the best choke defense ever. I'm sure. That's what makes, too, the progression of all these guys, man. It's just the whole iron sharpens iron.

Of course, I'm getting a bunch of credit for it. I'll take all of it, of course, but these guys, one guy gets better and shows off to the next guy and the next guy. You said it best. You have a bunch of race cars. They were already race cars. It wasn't like you came around to guys that are just they've only done marathons and they've

never thrown a punch in their life. You're getting the elite of the elite and you're training them. Just tuned him up a little bit. That fight with Tim Elliott was the first time I ever saw a guy tap with his feet. Yeah. Both of his arms were completely trapped. It really was like a fucking, like a viper, like a snake, like an anaconda, like choking someone to death.

Just got on top of him and squeezed the fucking shit out of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wicked, wicked ground. That was like one of the craziest fights I've watched. Wow. The energy that Elliott brought out on that was insane. He's a gamer, huh? Get the fucking shit out of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wicked, wicked ground. That was like one of the craziest fights I've watched. Wild fight. The energy that Elliot brought out on that was insane. He's a gamer, huh? It was tricky to game plan for him.

It was tricky for me to create what I had to ask Benavidez to do, the things I thought were going to be successful. He's strong as shit, man. He's strong as shit, and his endurance is incredible. And he can take it, man. You see that fight with Bagutinov? He fought Ali Bagutinov, and they went to war for fucking three rounds. He took everything but the kitchen sink from Bagutinov.

I mean, Bagutinov was teeing off on him. And Bagutinov was a better striker, was smoother and quicker, but Elliot never stopped coming after him. Never. He's a zombie. And he's very physically strong, too. Like the Gaudineau fight, ragdolled Gaudineau around. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's strong as fuck, man, for a little dude. Is he fighting Demetrius now? Is he the one? Bogutinov is. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Bogutinov is fighting

in less than two weeks in Vancouver. That's the main event. That's a good fight. That's a good fight. I want to see if that guy can keep it up in the fourth and fifth.

Right, yeah. You know, because Mighty Mouse, you better be in fucking shape. You better bring your lunch. That guy never stops moving yeah it's true it's like all the

Tumafimo guys they have endless energy do you ever foresee a possible super fight you and Mighty Mouse one day I would love that cause can Mighty Mouse

go up to 35 I can make 25 can you really I can make 25 holy shit I'm a light 35 pounder I mean I've been forcing myself

to get big the biggest I can possibly get is 155 pounds cause I'm lean I mean during camp if I'm just like not trying to get big. The biggest I could possibly get is 155 pounds. Wow. Because I'm lean. I mean, during camp, if I'm just not trying to get big, not doing the strength conditioning, I'll be like 148. Wow. What do you think Mighty Mouse walks around at?

How big he is. 35, 40. He probably gets 20 pounds over, I bet. At his biggest. Yeah. Is that normal for most guys? Probably, yeah. Is it a percentage of body weight more than for most guys probably is it a percentage of body

weight more than it is yeah maybe a percentage of body weight too because the bigger guys can lose more weight yeah you know it's easier for them to lose it um but and it's also how lean you stay throughout the year i mean i stay really lean as i mean as possibly as i can and so that's why i'm weighing as light as i can you know if i were to get if i were to get put some fat on sure i can get up in the 60s, but that's useless weight. I've got to lose that again to start camp. If you've got like Damon Wayans in The Great White Hope, remember when he got that big belly who's the NBA champion? He was going to fight a white dude.

He didn't worry about it. Yeah, yeah. Okay, sucker. He had to fight a white dude. But that's what's cool, too. These guys are close to weight, so when they're in the gym, the focus is to get better at the martial arts and not just to lose weight. So it definitely makes a difference also. That is a big goddamn deal,

man. The weight cutting. It's a real dangerous part of our sport. I think people cut way too much weight. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Testosterone too.

Yes, it does. Right. Yep. And when you hear about guys cutting, you know, 30 pounds, like the Glace and T-bows of the world,

he's the most, the most ridiculous. That guy weighs 155 at the weigh-in for like five seconds, and then when you see him the next day, he's 185. That's insane. He's so big. I don't even feel like I can move if I gain that much weight after weigh-ins. I don't know how he does it.

I wonder if there's a difference to the composition of each person's body. Some people can get away with it and some people can't can't he's gonna take like four IV bags or something I don't know. I don't know what he did, but I've heard of four. I've heard a guy's time for yeah I've heard of guys taking blood out weighing in and putting the blood back in their body. Oh wow Yeah, that was back in the dark days. Yeah, well hotel room fucking intravenous blood replenishing yeah i'm not trying to do that at all yeah this is some darkness yeah no thank you once you start using needles and replenishing fluids and like yeah what are we doing exactly that's crazy is there a way though here's the

question sir here oh here's the two gloves here's the difference between the everglass glove okay yeah and the uh more padding on the top. And that padding apparently is helping people keep from breaking their hands on impacts. Huh. But then are there less knockouts? I don't know. That's a good question. When they did the K1 Max, the middleweight, they specifically pulled in 8-ounce gloves, 8-ounce Reyes, which is just kind of a horse hair.

They just moved the hair out of the way. And it's just tape, gauze, and two pieces of leather. There's no padding. There's way less padding in a Reyes glove than there is in MMA gloves, for sure. But there's no padding on my shin, son. I know. That's true. Yeah, right?

Elbows, too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Elbows as well. Goddamn. Especially, like, you've seen in Lion Fight more than you've seen in Glory because those guys are allowed to throw elbows. Yeah.

Guys are getting cut up. I only landed a good five or six elbows in that fight. My elbow hurts so bad still. It's tender to touch it. A lot of guys have to get shit. It's like a bursa sack. It burns in there. Did you get it checked out at all?

No, not yet. I should probably get that checked out. Seriously, I haven't had any time to do anything since I've been home. It's been a mad whirlwind? It been it's been awesome but it's been crazy just you know obviously interview after interview tv shows radio shows i mean i'm loving it i mean obviously it's the attention you want because this is how you get paid more and this is what you've been working for but it's been a whirlwind man it's been it's been craziness i i was i'm more busy now than i was in camp. Is there a way to have it so that guys fight at their actual weight?

Is there a way? I don't think so. Yeah, I doubt it. No matter what, people are going to do something to get the advantage somehow. The weight class, well, I guess the weight class is varying now between a couple of teams. Or weighing in, weighing in an hour before you fight, or not even weighing in before youighing in an hour before you fight.

Or not even weighing in, like, before you walk out to the octagon. Step you on the scale. What would you do if someone was over? We'd say that'd be the issue. That's true. That's why they have to be 24 hours. So we'd deal with all those issues out of the way. That's true.

Yeah. But that would be interesting, man, if you could put it on the fighter. Like, where the audience would know that when the guy got on the scale, it shows it to the whole crowd. Yeah. 203 points. You're supposed to weigh 18 scale, it shows it to the whole crowd. Yeah. 203 points. Then he walks out. 203.2. What the fuck?

That just couldn't happen, yeah. Yeah. Or they have a backup fighter. Yeah. Because Chael Sonnen did not make weight, and then another guy gets up. Mauricio Shogun, who is on weight. Just sitting over there, put the drink down.

Here we go. He would, though. He would, right? Imagine if they had two guys. You had over there, put the drink down. Here we go. He would, though. He would, right? Imagine if they had two guys. You had a, like, when you do Broadway, you have someone who's a backup singer. Yeah. What do they call them? An understudy?

Yeah, an understudy. Yeah. Like, you guys don't know Broadway. So I guess that's what they do. They have the actor, and then there's an understudy for the actor. In case the actor takes sick, the understudy can always step in. And if I was the understudy I'd be putting vizine in that guy's water

Oh, you're sick. I'm in what is vizine dude your water? Supposedly gives you the shits like ridiculous or make me feel like flu symptoms really supposedly Yeah, you put vizine in someone's water. It'll mess you up shouldn't have probably broadcast that on the internet Oh assholes all across the country assholes all across the country. Like, I'm going to make people sick. Bicep sales go up. And then spar with them and mentally break them.

Danny Castillo is a fucking CVS guy. Oh, man. Danny's going to get him. Danny's so funny, man. Shaking up a big bag of Bicene. How much time do you have now before you'll go back into training again? And when do you think you'll have the first defense of your title? I'm not sure. I've got to obviously go and talk to Dana with that and stuff too.

False. It says false. Oh, really? Yes. All right. Internet's false. He's got Mythbusters, I guess, or something, huh? No, it's just the internet.

Who's got Vizine? Do you want to drink some? There's a way, though. If you didn't use Vizine, you could use something else. Oh, yeah. Obviously some nasty shit. Good. Let dudes drop Vizine in your shit now.

You'd be like, nothing. Iron gut. I'm fucking immune to that shit. He's not raging. I'm too hungry. I'm immune to that shit, son. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think it'll be Burau?

I doubt it. I mean, if I would have knocked him out in the first round and finished him then, I think I would have got an instant rematch with him. But I feel like because I dominated him for five rounds that they'll make him work his way back up. At least that's my thought. I don't know. But isn't it about business?

For sure. At this point, and if you decided to have a rematch with him in Brazil, like that's what his coach is saying, you know, if he is man enough, come down to Brazil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Andre Pettinera said that, right? Yeah. You got to respect that he has to say that. Of course he's going to say that.

Dwayne would say that too if it was your title and he took it from you. You know, come up to Sacramento, bitch. bitch you know this would be said yeah so all that aside you know from a business standpoint if you can get out of brazil alive yeah i think that would be a good move no but yeah yeah i don't know vegas better vegas yeah i'd rather i'd probably fight vegas somewhere like that you're the champ yeah yeah that's true i that's true, huh? I mean, Brazil's, I love Brazil. I went down there on vacation, loved it, went down there and fought. You know, it was all right. I feel like the fans, so I'm not saying that the judges do it on purpose or anything,

but I feel like the fans play a huge part in scoring cards down there. Yeah, but look at you. There's been some bad decisions against Brazilians in Brazil. Like, okay, Phil Davis and Liotta Machida. I did not think that Phil Davis won that fight. I thought it was a very close fight, but I thought Liotta Machida won it. I thought if it was in Brazil, for sure Liotta got the nod. But when they gave it to Phil Davis, I was like, wow, that's interesting.

I wonder if maybe they hear that they're biased and they're embarrassed by that, so they try to fight against it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, but you know i don't know but you're the champ so vegas it is i do know that the referees and judges should all have to train or be martial artists 100 yeah that's for sure what do you think could be done to improve the scoring system i know with your mad mind you probably sat down and thought about that as well

just to bring in martial artists to understand the system being educated but do you think the 10 nines are just too prevalent? Guys get knocked down. Like the first round of your fight was a fucking for sure a 10-8 round. How many guys put a 10-8 though? None. Did you even look at the cards? Yeah, not one of them.

Not one. That's insane. And another crazy thing is one of the judges gave the second round a brow. That's insane too. I heard about that too. But the knockdown that you fucked that guy's world up in that round. That's as close to getting stopped as you can get and not get stopped, and you didn't get a 10-8.

Well, then the system's broken. That should be a 10-8. Just like when Danny Castillo dropped Edson Barbosa in December in Sacramento. That wasn't a 10-8? No. It was a 10-9. Well, Edson Barbosa won a decision. Right.

But that's insane. If it would have been a 10-8, it would have been a draw. He beat the fuck out of Edson Barbosa in that first round. I mean, rocked him with that right hand and pounded on him for the whole round. How's that not a 10-8? Total domination. TJ's first round should have been a 10-8. Yeah, no doubt.

They need to do more 10-8s. So that should have been a 10-8 for sure, though. Yeah, I've had conversations with people about 10-8, 10-9 rounds, and I just don't get it. Like, somebody told me that the first round of Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard was a 10-9 round. I go go what the fuck are you talking about I think Gray Maynard hit him with everything but the goddamn kitchen sink yeah had him falling over backwards yeah twice back in one round dude I don't know what they do they do they have meetings

and they all get together and they say okay this is how you score and so we should look for this is what goes on or they just put people in off the office cubicle? I don't know. I mean, they have a new guy who's the director of the Athletic Commission now. Let's see if they change things up at all. Call me. I'll change that shit up for you. Dwayne Ludwig coming with the bang system for judgment. At least offers my guidance anyway.

That's all I can do. Well, for folks who don't know, we stole a system from boxing. Boxing has a 10-point must system. We just sort of adopted that system for scoring. But I don't think it's comprehensive enough for MMA because there's so many different rules, or so many different techniques, rather, that are in play, and you have to be subjective about what is more valuable. In boxing, a punch is a punch.

There's left hooks and jabs and right hands, and If a guy lands harder punches and more punches, he's clearly winning. But in MMA, it becomes subjective. If a guy lands a hard punch, but you take him down and almost guillotine him, who won that exchange? It's very tricky. If a guy lands a good jab, but the

other guy fucks him up with a leg kick, a lot of people won't count that leg kick. A leg kick would count over that for sure. It should. Get hit with each of them and then you'll be able to know. That's the thing. Some guys have said, like there was one judge, I'll leave him nameless, but he gets clowned around on all the time on the internet, but he said leg kicks don't end fights.

Like, are you fucking crazy? Has no one ever leg kicked you? That's the only way I can... I cry when my massage lady rubs my IT band. Exactly, dude. This bitch goes into my IT bands with her elbow

and I'm ready to... I'm in agony. You think about a guy like Pat Barry slamming fucking shins into there. He stopped guys with leg kicks. Edson Barbosa stopped two fucking world-class MMA fighters with leg kicks,

including Rafael Oliveira, who's a fucking long-term MMA fighter. He's a real veteran. Stopped him with leg kicks. That's so dumb. Oh, yeah. But those won't count as much as a punch sometimes. Man. Even a punch that doesn't even rock a guy.

See, you just got to come back to people being martial artists and training and understand that you try to be a strike. Just let all the athletic commission people fight each other. Just give them gloves and just strap them up. It's one of those things. You have to be able to speak the language to understand it. Exactly. And if you just know the words and what the words mean,

you're not gonna understand them in the context of the flow of the movement. It's like if you taught me a bunch of words in Spanish and then a bunch of people were talking, I'm not necessarily gonna get the gist of the conversation. Even if I know what those words in Spanish are and go, oh, okay, he said, fuck your mother. Your mother's a whore. Puto, that's a whore.

You know, puta, okay. I got it. I know what he said. That's essentially what's going on when you're seeing these guys and they're judging fights. These guys, they don't understand the flow. They don't understand who's in danger. They don't understand a transition. They don't understand the flow they don't understand who's in danger they don't understand a transition they don't understand what's going on like oh oh he's in a dominant spot now or no this guy's like super close to being finished the only problem i'd see with

athletic commission people training is if they train somewhere that a guy's fighting from that gym you know so you they can't train anywhere where fighters train so they'd have to you know how do you do that how do you get them to train there's a man academies though there's a man academy yeah state athletic commission training centers or something like that just yeah there's no doubt or even even the way i still it's business you know it's just how it is like you just you can't sway the decision either way yeah i'd be a professional but of course that would come into play i see that yeah there's no doubt i think um that could be an issue but guys should be examined and when something like that comes up, they should have a conversation with them.

Teach me a class. Show me your martial art experience. When you see a really bad scorecard, that guy should be forced to sit down and watch a fight and explain what he thought. Yeah, what did he judge? I've had conversations with people that gave the first round, GSP Hendricks, they gave that first round to GSP. I said, let's watch that fight. And let's watch this round. You tell me how he won that first round. Did he win it because

he didn't come anywhere close to getting a guillotine? Did he win it because there was a takedown for a brief moment, they were scrambling on the ground? Or you want to look at damage. Look at the fact that he couldn't take Hendricks down. Hendricks was pummeling him with left hands to the face in the clinch, battering his legs with knees. Do you not see those? What's

going on here? Does no one ever need your leg? The judges, they don't watch the TVs right they watch only sometimes We had it set up in in Nevada Yeah in a lot of the fights where they're allowed to use my I feel like they should very important very important We think much stuff you couldn't see if you weren't able to watch the TV wall commentating I miss it all the time I miss strikes if I try to watch it live as much as possible because i feel like first of all it's the coolest shit ever to see live you know and it'd be ridiculous i have the greatest job in the world and i'm not even allowed to see it live i have to look at a little

tv you know not even a big one a little one too it's fucking little ass tv right in front of you and when i'm watching it sometimes like there'll be a moment where like the guy's back is to me and he'll throw a punch and the guy's in front to me and he'll throw a punch in front of him and the guy drops. You can't see what happened. So you have to watch it on the monitor and check it. But for a judge, for the longest time, they didn't have that. So say if a guy

jumps guard and is attacking a Kimura and has got a guy's arm locked up and is starting to pin it. If you're looking from the wrong position and you don't understand Jiu-Jitsu, say if you're on the other side and you're the same level as the cage and you're all the way on the other side of the cage you can't even see if that guy's arm's getting jacked there's shit you're not going to catch like i've actually talked to judges who do train who told me that other judges have said to them in the middle of a fight what is he doing what is this what's going

on here which is fucking crazy. It's crazy. It's the highest level of the sport. The highest level. It's being judged by people who literally don't know what's happening. Right. Which is crazy.

It goes back to they need to train or do seminars and be accountable. And even the people that know aren't using the points. It's 10-9. 10-9. Everything's fucking 10-9. Yeah.

I mean, you gotta die in the cage to get a 10-9. 10-9. Everything's fucking 10-9. I mean, you've got to die in the cage to get a 10-7. I mean, what happens? How does someone ever get a 10-7? What happens? What has to happen for it to be a 10-7? That could have been a 10-7 with Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard. No question.

Should have been. Should have been a 10-7. I don't know the exact scoring by each and every judge, but I had a conversation. I heard they called it 10-10. Is that crazy? That's crazy. I had a conversation with a judge who was arguing with me that it was a 10-9. He was actually arguing.

I was like, this is the... Defending it. And he's a judge. I was like, this is the craziest conversation I've ever heard. I can't even talk to you. You're a crazy person. Yeah. It's got to be quantifiable because a guy can just squeak by. There's oftentimes rounds

where you go, Oh, I'm going to give it to Ludwig. It was so close. I'll take it. And they'll do a 10, nine Ludwig, but it could have been a 10, nine, this guy too. It's just like so close. And then there's gray maitred Frankie Edgar first fight, you know, which is like, come on. On those, on those like really bad scoring decisions, uh, when they like, come on. On those really bad scoring decisions, when they really mess up, how does that person not lose their job? That's a good question. Just like with any other job. If you're working at OfficeMax and you mess up someone's giant printing operation

or whatever it is, you're going to get fired. Why don't they get fired for making a horrible decision? Part of the problem is that in order to get fired, you have to admit you fucked up. So you have to admit you hired someone who was incompetent. So if you fired an incompetent person, then you have to admit you fucked up so you have to admit you hired someone who was incompetent so if you fired an incompetent person then they have to review that person's job and what their employment record go okay how long has this guy's been employed by you and

let's look at some of their other fights that happened with the Pacquiao Timothy Bradley fight you know everybody was fucking so angry at this one judge that she resigned from being a judge but then they started looking at her past and she's made some fucking ridiculous calls oh wow just really bad bad bad decisions and you're like what the fuck is going on here it's they don't want to admit that they hired an incompetent person and Kaiser was fucking really really defensive about it like I brought it up several times that they have terrible judging and he would, instead of that, he would bring up fights where I thought

a guy won and the consensus was that the other guy won online or in the underground or something like that. Didn't talk about it in a very rational way. Yeah, well you're wrong sometimes too. Your opinion's not right. We're talking about real obvious travesties of justice. And he would be in denial

about the need for change. They'd have to take into account people's gambling and maybe if they're betting on the signs and odds. Oh, yes. That'd be interesting. Well, that's what people were alleging and inquiring about when it came to this one particular boxing judge because some of the decisions were so egregious

that people were like, what is... Because there can be money made, and what folks don't know is there's a bunch of different options that you could bet on when you bet on a fight they could be you could bet on over-unders you can bet on unanimous decisions as opposed to majority decisions yeah if and you could conceivably bribe someone to the point where they would make a bad decision and that way the person would still win so it wouldn't be too much of an outrage, like Emmanuel Pacquiao dominating Timothy Bradley. Still win, but you give it to him. One guy gives it to Bradley,

and this way, this person gets a chunk of cash. Manny Pacquiao still wins the fight, but then when it comes down to the betting, it's not a unanimous decision. It's a split decision. So someone bets a split decision, they fucking clean up because they bribed a judge. Not saying that that's happened, but that is conceivably one way you could do it.

Yeah, for sure. But when you get a decision like that Pacquiao-Bradley fight where Bradley beat Pacquiao and everybody was like, what the fuck? No, Bradley didn't win that fight. Everybody was going crazy after that fight. You watch that fight, Manny Pacquiao outboxes Timothy Bradley. It's pretty clear. Yeah, yeah, 100%. So you always got to wonder,

how is it possible that 99% of boxing experts have one opinion, but yet people who are professional boxing judges fuck it up? Yeah.

And with MMA, I think it's... Subject to interpretation. Unquestionably, right? But in MMA, I think it's a lot like with these Jack Slack fellows. There's guys like that out there that really know their shit.

And those are the guys that should be judging. They should have to pass an IQ test or anything. I guarantee that guy's smart. Yeah, I mean, how many goddamn judges are there? I mean, three for fight. But I mean, how many of them total? Is there 20? Is there 30? Boy, if you had

a big conference and brought in super fans from all over the world and figured out who knows their shit, let's make them watch a fight, you tell me what's going on in this fight, and really an extensive, a really exhaustive process, you could have an amazing group of judges.

I got my buddy Mike Temple who watches the fights of the guys and does a breakdown for me. He does a breakdown for them as well. It breaks down TJ's strengths and weaknesses and then also breaks down the opponent's strengths and weaknesses and how we can do to capitalize on these things. So I get looks from other people as well.

My buddy's a super fan, and he'd be an excellent judge or referee. Maybe not a referee, but a judge for sure. I think there would be a lot of guys like that. There's a lot of guys like that. That's me, man. I love breaking film down and just figuring out ways to do things. You know, it's fun. Yeah, no doubt.

The thing with you, though, is that you'd have to watch the fight sober, and you'd have to watch the fight stoned. Three ways, and on AlphaBrain. Yeah, and then on AlphaBrain. When you watch a fight, what are you looking for? Are you looking for specific moments in the fight

where you see vulnerability? Do you look at it one way, the first pass and the second time? Do you look at it more in detail? Like one time look at it offensively, one time look at it defensively? I look at it offensively, defensively, what they're doing, which way they're stepping, which, of course, when it strikes, how they react to certain combinations, what they do with their idiosyncrasies, what they're doing when they're tired, when they have their wings,

when they're feeling confident. There's plenty of ways to look at it, look at the fight. But I always look at it with my guys winning and where the holes are going to be. Like if a guy is good, let's say if the guy's good at a left hook, I want to do something to make him throw the left hook. That's a perfect analogy, right, when Dan Hardy dropped me a left hook, right? But I try to pick up their strengths and then make them do their strengths. Hennepin Burrell's spin kick, right, he's really good at it.

Well, let's make him do it so that we already know, we already expect, we're making him do it so that we're actually one step ahead. Things like that. But as far as bringing down the fight itself, there's plenty of things you can pick up and watch in the fight. There's the guy, oh, he was supposed to fight Holdsworth first, but he switched to Chico. But something big with him is, in the middle of the third round, in every fight, if it's a subconscious

thing or not, he breaks, mentally. This is the middle of the second round. Which fighter is this? I forgot the guy's name. He was a Korean or Chinese guy. He was originally supposed to fight Holdsworth. He's a good-looking Asian dude. I forgot his name. I don't remember his name either.

Yeah, I forgot his name. But anyway, he fought Chico, Chico Camus in Milwaukee. But he didn't think. Beating with takedowns. He was a close fight. In the middle of each fight, in the dead middle of each fight, he physically broke. I don't know if it was mentally or physically.

So it's just things like that. The guy, we can capitalize on him dropping his jab. We can come over the top with the right hand. Junko Kang? Him, yeah. There's idiosyncrasies that people do, whether they're aware of it or not. Do you think sometimes people see the finish line and they start to slack off? Is that what it is?

You mean like TJ didn't do? Like TJ didn't do at all. TJ hit the gas i'm gonna kill him i couldn't downshift it so he wanted me to come out in the fifth round obviously move my feet faint and be safe obviously i had to ride the fight one and for me what i did in that fifth round was slow for me i came out i think 30 45 seconds i didn't engage but as soon as he started coming at me it's like i can't i can't do what i mean if i'm gonna be my best fighter i fighter, I don't want to relax too much. I don't want to be like, all right, I won, kind of chill, defense mode, because you're going to get caught.

You're going to get beat because you're not at your best. I need to do what I do best, and that's how I not get caught. That's a very important point. Pull up that fight, Brian. Pull up the final sequence where TJ knocks out Burrell because you didn't do anything differently than you had done from the first round. Ryan, pull up the final sequence where TJ knocks out Burrell. Because you didn't do anything differently than you had done from the first round. Every time you saw an opening, you just kept attacking, kept attacking.

So you stayed sharp. That's an important thing to not slack off when you see that finish line. People have a tendency to do that, right? They see that finish line, they start thinking instead of fighting. Get in defense mode. I feel like Danny Castillo did this against Barbosa. He went out there and demolished him the first round. And then the first thing I was was scared because I knew Danny was going to sit on a lead. I was afraid of that.

And obviously Danny knows that now and he's aware of it, but that's what he did. He went into defense mode. He won and he was like, all right, I got this fight. Just be safe. And that hinders your performance. Then he let – but edson barbosa landed a kick his his confidence meter went back up he had him broke if you came out there in the second round and did the exact same thing in the first round the fight would have been over he would have finished in that round but instead he let edson come back in the fight let him land a couple spin kicks and land some leg

kicks got his confidence back and the fight changed you know yeah yeah that's interesting isn't it it's when you watch that first round too that was sort of a harbinger of things to come and then you saw Danny in his last fight who is who did he fight he knocked out with one pilot Brennan Jack god damn that right hand he hit Brennan with holy shit was that impressive awesome perfect timing oh yeah perfect just just close the distance perfectly and just landed, like, with everything from the toes. Timing accuracy is perfect for that. Boom.

Boom. And you could see how happy he was, man. He was so happy. But what was cool is he didn't follow up with that second right hand when he was already out. So that was definitely cool to see that he was out and pulled that last punch so he didn't hit him again. That was very cool. And you could see by the impact. Like, here's the final combination.

Dude. That's just too much. Look at how you fucking keep stepping over to the left away from the shot. Look at this. Whoop. Bing, bing. I love how I bounce off. I've watched this a couple times now.

I bounce off the cage. Yeah, you shoulder check the cage. And throw the hardest overhand left. I didn't even know I could throw an overhand left that hard, dude. That was solid. Yeah, what a combination. Angle slipping, coming back. I like going back and watching the tape and finally remembering stuff you did.

Is it hard, like, to, I mean, I don't know if this makes any sense at all, but is it hard to live in the moment after something like this? Or are you, like, in the middle of training going, holy fucking shit, did I really knock out Baral? Like, are you, like, when you're training, when you're hitting the pads, when you're moving, am I really the fucking bandmate champion TJ Dillashaw? It's crazy, huh? It takes a while.

I mean, it's still kicking in, you know. I mean, it's only been, what, nine days. It's crazy, dude. It's a crazy ride. I mean, it hasn't even, I don't even think it's fully kicked in yet, you know. Oh, yeah. For what I just did, you know. I mean, everyone was obviously counting me out except for my team and myself.

To make that kind of statement, to hear you say what you say and to watch it again on the fights and just kind of like, holy shit, dude. What's interesting to me is not just what you did. It's how quick you improved from your time in The Ultimate Fighter

and how much potential you have. How interesting this is, what Dwayne said is so true, that we're at a really unique time in the evolution of mixed martial arts. And we're seeing these John Jones characters that are taking things to this totally new place where you're seeing creativity, this abundance of different techniques that they have available to them inside the octagon. And you're seeing accelerations in every single place, whether it's ju octagon and you're seeing accelerations in every single place whether it's jujitsu you're seeing accelerations in the striking you're seeing everything is starting to pick up it's a you know and that to me was a milestone fight because it was like so tactical and it was such a an obvious an obvious influence of like you as a

trainer there was it was you could see it in the. You could see it in the fight. You could see it in the movement. Like I know you have this very unique way of teaching punches in combination with footsteps and movement. And I was watching this. Having seen you hit the pads and having seen you coach with that and watching it take place actually inside. Oh, it was amazing.

It's nuts. Especially having that conversation that we had at lunch before the fight and then watching what you said take place. You know, I remember thinking, man, wow, this is so bizarre. Almost as if you can predict the future. Yeah. Well, if you do your homework and you do it right. It's like if you had to do, you know,

jujitsu with a white belt who didn't work out, you would say, well, here's what's going to happen. I'm going to grab him, I'm going to clinch him, I'm going to take him to the ground. Uh, I'm going to arm triangle him. You know,

what's he going to do? He doesn't know what the fuck you're going to do. He doesn't know. He can't, but at a certain level to say that it gets crazy. Yeah. Like when someone has no idea what you're going to do and you're, you know,

a Jacare Souza, you could kind of do whatever you want to them, but it's when the guy's hen and motherfucking brow and you say, well, what you can kind of do whatever you want to them. But it's when the guy's Henning motherfucking Barau, and you say, well, what he's going to do is he's going to fall for feints and TJ's going to be constantly stepping and moving to, you know. Once that happens, then it's really crazy.

It's so nuts. Then you watch it and it's so, it's like, okay, yep, this is the next evolutionary step. And I guarantee you, you know, look, Barau is going to come back better fucking for sure they're going to watch that fight they're going to see what they did wrong

and Barau is going to come back and he's going to light somebody else on fire and demand a rematch and it's going to be crazy down the line that's how it always is right that's why the sport is so good man that's why it's nerve wrecking it's exciting it's like everyone is getting better all at the same time. Because I beat him, he's going to get even better than he already was,

which is hard to believe, you know. Yeah, they need each other. Leonard needed Duran. Leonard needed Tommy Hearns. You're right, yeah. Ali needed Frazier. Everybody needs that rival. It's part of not having – you also have it in the gym as well,

which is incredible. I don't think boxing had that that much. Boxing is not as much of a team sport. It's more individual. It's because wrestlers got involved. It is, right? I swear, man. We turned ours into a wrestling team.

We seriously just have a wrestling team at our gym. I feel like the exact same feelings when I was in college. That's interesting. Because if you remember when Marvin Hagler was the champ You never really heard a lot about Hagler sparring partners You know like the Hagler comes from a team of animals and don't rot, you know in this area of Massachusetts and they all get together and Brockton blockbuster They all can fire up and live together in a house that the fuck out of here. None of that in boxing

Yeah, very rarely. Do you have that in boxing? You know have camps like robert garcia's camp they're pretty tight you know freddie roach's camp they're pretty i think it's starting now maybe they see the benefit of it so what other martial arts uh is their teams muay thai muay thai team yeah muay thai you know if you fight for a certain gym like if you're a mike's gym guy those guys all come out to the cage together golden glory guys do they actually do like a duel i mean i know there's like if you're a Mike's Gym guy, those guys all come out to the cage together, Golden Glory guys. Do they actually do a dual match? I know there's IFC where you had those kickboxing matches and you keep scoring everything, but is there a dual

match, like this team versus this team and you keep the score for matches? That's a good question. No, not really. You compete as a team. You can win a national championship as a team. They started that. Chuck Norris had that World Kickboxing League or something like that. Well, that's where Raymond Daniels emerged. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's where people first got to see that guy that won that fight with that crazy jumping spinning kick. Yeah, Chuck had a cool idea for it, too. The mats with no ropes, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of like a dish. Lead sport platform almost, but it's round. Yeah. Frank Shamrock did that for a while, too.

Do you remember? Oh, he did a shoe. Oh, yeah. Was it shoebox or something? Something along those lines. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Frank Shamrock did that for a while, too. Do you remember? Oh, he did a shoe. Oh, yeah. Was it Shoebox or something? Something along those lines. Yeah, that's right. I think it was Shoebox. I forgot about that.

Yeah. Huh. He had like a pit. Yeah. And then Yama Pit. They tried to do that. Remember? I don't know Yama Pit.

Yeah. The original founders of the UFC, like Bob Meyerowitz. Okay. They tried to come back with some new thing, some Yama Pit thing. Yeah, it was a couple years back. Some good guys fought in it.

It was like, I don't know if Pat Smith, I want to say Pat Smith fought in it. There were some guys that were good fighters just below UFC level. Oh, have you seen this? This is fucking team MMA. This is not martial arts to me.

This is a fight. I don't like this. It's dangerous. Guys are stomping and shit. How do you get it? Do you tap out or what? What happens? Is it stomping?

Well, they fight. Yeah, you tap out or you get submitted. This isn't martial arts. It's crazy. Because guys come over and soccer kick guys in the head while they're in a headlock with another dude. Look at this. Two dudes are beating on this guy.

What the? Look at this. Three guys. Three guys came over are beating on this guy. What the? Look at this. Three guys. Three guys came over and stomped this guy. Where is this done at? Russia. Oh, my goodness. They give zero fucks in Russia.

And these guys who get beat up, they get beat up fucking bad. It's one thing to get beat up by one dude, but three dudes stomping you when you're on the ground. Yeah. That's what I feel is lost in uh today especially mixed martial arts is the traditional martial arts honor and respect i think that's something that i helped bring to the camp and then and it's just kind of i think it helps people keep them accountable you know yeah no more of this but on and off the mat watch that shit it's not it's not mma it's a fucking it's an assault

i i agree with you and those guys should be arrested. Yeah, right? Fucked up. I mean, the whole idea of MMA is, you know, one guy against another guy trying to establish who's trained the hardest, who's got the best of their skills. When another guy's kicking your head and you're holding on to a guy's headlock, what does that prove? That's assault.

Proves that someone made a silly show. Proves that two guys can knock the fuck out of one guy. Yeah, we've known that for a long time. Proves that fighting shouldn't be a team sport like that is what it proves. Yeah, if you're going to do something like that,

it should be one guy versus two guys. I would be down for that. If you got one bad motherfucker, you're like one Badr Hari and two, you know, fat soccer players. You know?

Like two guys. I would pay to see that for sure. Two guys who don't have MMA training but think they could pull it off. You know? And one MMA fighter. You might need three. You might need at least three guys to make that even competitive. If they don't know any MMA at all.

Just a mad fucking bum rush of athletic dudes. That would be that would be preferable. That reminds me of my dad when we were younger. My older, he'd always have his friends come over My dad's just this Old wrestler, super strong And he would just take them all on

And have them all pin on the floor at the same time And then scream when they get up Because they have no idea how to wrestle My older brother and his friends never wrestled So it's just like, he can hold them all down and manipulate them These are grown men and stuff too, it's hilarious to see I mean, they would need more than three guys to do that to someone that's really well trained you know do you teach your old man chokeholds yeah i mean he uh he loves the

sport his parents are awesome they're uh they love it they got into it big time um my dad's the one that's made me who i am you know he's the one that's made me so great my mom too i mean super competitive family and uh yeah my dad comes to the gym trying to tell Dwayne how to do his job, what I should be doing. Does he? It was awesome. He's joking, though. He's joking around. He's just having fun with it.

It's funny. It's cool, man. They have an awesome relationship with his parents. Him and his parents have an awesome relationship. You always hear about these fighters that grew up with really bad families or a hard upbringing and stuff. And I've always thought about, like, luckily I never had any of that stuff. And it's crazy that I've wanted to I kind of got into this and it seems like most most the fighters have you know bad backgrounds for the most part do you think that that background

can help you but it also can fuck you up like a chip on your shoulder if what if you yeah having a bad background because you have a good background you're super balanced I think sorry no please I think it's someone's vision how they look at it you know if you want to look at the the fire to heat the house or to burn the house down how are you gonna look at that to positively and negatively motivate you right and but i think also everyone's experiences are unique yeah and the the amount of trauma they experienced you know the amount of abuse they experience it's not uniform right yeah it's it's you know it's hard to tell some guys have gotten out of bad situations and become like incredibly motivated yeah super dangerous and then there's those tj dillashaw

motherfuckers just like what what do you think it is about you that led you to want to be an mma fighter have you ever sat down and thought it out what made you so aggressive my family for sure just i have two other brothers i'm the middle child. My family's always been, anything we do, we turn into a competition. Even your mom? Oh, yeah. When we were kids, we'd be like. His mom's gangster. She's awesome.

My dad and my mom would drive to an event, some wrestling event or whatever to support her kids. And we'd both be there. We'd pick a car to ride home in, and then it'd be a race to get home. Whoever's with mom wins when we get home. Or whoever's dad. His mom's gangster. We win, we get home. Or just any kind of game,

anything we're doing at the house or on vacation, we've always turned it into a competition and we get pissed when we lose too. I mean, even with family, you know, even my mom, like, yeah, my mom like riding ATVs and getting all aggressive and she's this tiny little woman too, you know, and she's the most aggressive out of all of them. And it's just kind of bred me to compete. And then, you know, I wrestled my whole life and I didn't, I didn't do what I wanted to in wrestling. I didn't achieve the goals I set myself to. And so after I graduated, I feel like I wasn't done competing. I didn't reach the ultimate greatness.

I wasn't the best I could have been. I've always found that with competitive athletics, it's very difficult to do that while you're in college. And I've always been really impressed by collegiate athletes that were able to maintain high grades and still compete at a super high level. And although it's super admirable, it's not ideal. No, not at all. So did you feel like there was also an opportunity once you got out of college,

you didn't have to concentrate on your studies so much, and now you could fully reach your potential? Yeah, my studies was my competition. I didn't have to worry about anything else but competing. Obviously, make some money to be able to live, but it was based for myself to be able to fight. Yeah, I mean, going through school and then also just, I'm glad I learned how to peak myself.

I feel like I was peaked wrong in college for wrestling. It was too much of a grind. It was too long. So I learned a lot through wrestling, which has helped me get to where I'm at. It's incredible that wrestling is so difficult that fucking UFC fighters at the highest level say, say man i'm glad i'm not wrestling anymore 100 man like the all the stuff i do in practice the the practice i do not want to go to is

wrestling it's going to be the toughest you're going to be the most tired and you're going to be at the most beat up in wrestling yeah it's not the best way to do it but it's the best way to develop that indomitable mental strength yeah i i highly recommend getting involved in wrestling if you want to learn the dedication of martial arts and just a hard work ethic and learning how to compete the mental the mental preparation for wrestling is man there's nothing else like it you know yeah there's people that think they work hard and they're hilarious those people are hilarious they really have no idea what hard work is if you i'm not bullshitting. Even if you've done jiu-jitsu, even if you've done kickboxing,

one of the hardest times I've ever worked out was high school wrestling. One season of high school wrestling. I remember we were doing shit where I was waking up in the morning and it would hurt my legs

to stand up. Your neck. I'd be like, ah, my legs were on fire and I'd be walking to the bedroom. I was 16 or 15 or whatever the fuck I was. And I was like, ah, my fucking were on fire, and I'd be walking to the bedroom. I was 16 or 15 or whatever the fuck I was.

And I was like, ah, my fucking legs are killing me. I'd be in class. I'd be exhausted, and then I'd look at the clock. Oh, motherfucker. A couple hours from now, we're going to go to war again. In college, I'd be doing morning practice where they're doing strength conditioning or runs, like intense runs.

Before classes. Before, like 6 in the morning, we're doing this. And then we go to class. You have two or three classes depending on your day of the week. And then you have a two-hour practice as soon as you get done with the classes. Or you might have a night class after practice. And homework. Oh, yeah.

And then homework. Yeah, research, homework, fucking piles of books and shit. It definitely does. That's why these guys are so successful now. But look at guys like Cormier. Look at guys like Cormier. Those high-level wrestlers, not just his wrestling, but that sort of focus and dedication that those guys have

and that knowledge of how to win. How to compete. Remember Matt Littlen, which is awesome. He was the most technically sound guy, but he knew how to fight. He was a gamer. He knew how to compete anyway. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. It's amazing when you see how many great amateur wrestlers have gone on to be great MMA fighters.

That's why it's so unfortunate to see these wrestling programs get cut, too. Terrible. Cal State Fullerton, my wrestling team, doesn't have a wrestling team anymore. We're trying to get it back, but to teach someone life skills, wrestling is the best way to do it. Sports in general is the best way to do it, and there's no way you should cut wrestling. It's communism. Terrorism won. That's what it wrestling. It's communism. Terrorism won.

It's what it is. It's anti-American. If they have money for lacrosse, they should have some fucking money for wrestling. How can you play lacrosse in this day and age and have a straight look on your face? That costs money, right? All the gear and stuff for wrestling.

You're smiling while you're running around with this ball in your neck. It's a Title IX, man. I mean, I have nothing against females doing sports, but to cancel a program just because you don't have an equal amount of females doing male sports, so they do a dance program instead of wrestling? Like, we have a dance program at Cal State Fullerton instead of wrestling.

The pussification of America, T.J. Dillashaw and Dwayne Ludwig. Especially in California, man. Like, in the Midwest, wrestling is huge, you know? But out here, it's just not as popular, so it gets thrown away. I think that I personally believe that not just wrestling, but martial arts programs should be mandatory for all boys growing up. And girls, too. I think girls should at least have rudimentary ideas of self-defense.

It would just make our country badass. No one wants to mess with us. You know what I mean? Survival of the fittest, man. It would do that, but it would also cut the bullying way the fuck down. People would be more confident. They'd be less scared. People would be less scared, and people would be less inclined to just fuck with people.

There's a lot of times that people are fucking with people. They're doing it because they're insecure, and they want some sort of... They need a release. Yeah, they want some sort of an outlet for sure. That's a big aspect of it. But they also want some sort of validation. But if you can get that in the gym, you don't need that out anywhere else. And you could be more relaxed.

It's like you were talking about how hard you guys go in the gym and how everybody's super competitive. But I've seen you guys outside of the gym and everybody's super friendly. And not just to each other, but to other people that you encounter too. Because there's no need to release. There's no backed up, pent up, frustrated energy. And there's also more confidence. Yeah. Well, I was telling Dwayne before we got here, I don't know what brought it up,

but during college days or high school, I would have no problem getting in a fight in high school and beating some kid up outside on the street because I didn't like him. But now that I'm doing a martial arts, wrestling is martial arts, but now that I'm doing a full-on fighting martial arts and I have utmost confidence in myself, it's like, I don't want to go and beat someone up. I could really hurt someone. I don't want to do it unless

I'm in the cage getting paid for it. Yeah, and then you're doing it against pro athletes. That knows what he's getting himself into. The difference between competing and an assault, too. That's something people, oh, the sport is so violent. You know, you were involved in a violent sport, TJ Dillashaw, but you're such a nice guy. Yes, but it's also the most extreme test you can put yourself under.

This sport's made me nicer. I believe that. It really has. This sport has leveled me out and made me a whole lot nicer than I used to be, I think. I think in college and in high school, I was a little bit meaner of a person than I am that. It really has. This sport has leveled me out and made me a whole lot nicer than I used to be, I think. I think in college and in high school, I was a little bit meaner of a person than I am now. Do you think it's because you burned it out or because you have more confidence? Like, what do you attribute it to?

Just learning to be, I don't know, a little bit more level-headed and just burned it out, matured. Yeah, and then I feel like if I would have been involved in this even at a younger age, I would have matured a lot faster as well. Yeah, I think so too. I think that for boys especially, that's the only, I mean, obviously I'm a male. You learn self-worth and what it takes to be that person. And then afterwards you just kind of, I don't know, you just don't have a chip on your shoulder anymore.

You've been in the gym letting out as much aggression and testosterone as possible and then you get out on the street and it's like you don't need to. You don't have that pent-up aggression. Yeah. I think a lot of people go through life, a lot of guys go through life with that. What does that sound? Is that your fingers? What is that?

That's probably me. Is that you? Moving your legs so much, huh? Yeah, sorry. Carry on. No, no, no. There was like a scratchy, scratchy. You didn't hear that?

I heard it um but that that that extra pent-up aggression it's like gives guys like a trigger they start reacting to things but if you you're training you're done training like i always say like after the gym nothing bothers me no like nothing like literally nothing especially if you sparred like people could be yelling at you and you'd be like like, please don't yell at me. I've got to go. You know, it's like there's nothing there. Especially down here with all the traffic. Everyone should be doing some martial arts, man. It'd be a lot less road rage.

Half hour lunch, just go roll in a gear real quick for a half hour. Just put a little bit of ecstasy in everybody's air conditioner. Just a tiny amount. Just a happy place. Just a little bit. A tiny release. Everything's going to be all right, folks. Ecstasy, martial arts, one or the other.

Pick one. If they can figure out how to make a car that gives you a little ecstasy as you're driving, just the tiniest amount of ecstasy. Like they've shown, studies have shown, that one microgram of ecstasy in your air supply keeps you from being intoxified. But instead of being intoxicated, you have a wonderful time during your day. Dude. And you're more productive and friendly to everybody.

That's why Mercedes-Benz. Those things that go through the roof, dude. Everyone will be buying them. Everybody will be cranking them. They never do fucking anything. There's the next goal. Crank. It's rocket.

Learn how to turn it up a little bit more. Yeah, right. You'd be getting pulled over. Yeah, for sure. There you go. How much ecstasy has your car got in it? I feel like that's what New Mood is for me. For Onnit, man, I love New Mood.

New Mood is one of my favorite products that Onnit does. That's the one I can feel the most difference with is New Mood and T+. Yeah, I love New Mood too. And anybody who's interested in 5-HTP supplements, which is what New Mood is, you've got to be really careful that you're not on SSRIs. If you're on any sort of antidepressants, like Zoloft, things along those lines, serotonin reuptake inhibitors, I forget what it stands for, but you can have something called serotonin syndrome, where you have too much serotonin.

The new mood elevates your serotonin, and then so do these drugs as well. But for people that... You'd just be too happy then or what? I think it's probably dangerous. Oh, really? It's like, I mean, your body has a... Can you take too much Numud? No, no.

I don't think so. I mean, you'd have to take a lot. You'd have to take a lot. I take four pills at a shot. Yeah. And on a stressful day, I'll do that twice on a crazy day. I have a lot of shit going on, and I've never had any negative effects at all.

But I think if you're going to be careful, you should probably take less than I do. I think I'm fucking around. I take four alpha brains before the fight to watch them.

I do too. Four alpha brain for every show. I take one before we got in here too. I take four alpha brain for every comedy show, for every broadcast.

I take four. Now that I feel like I've noticed more over the long term than right away. I feel like I've noticed more over long term than right away. Alpha Brain, I've noticed my concentration and stuff from long term. I don't notice it that day, but over a month, I'm like,

damn, I picked up stuff a lot faster. It's a subtle increase. It used to be a little bit more potent, but we were having problems. People were getting headaches from it. There was a larger number of people. I wasn't getting headaches. Now we have to take larger number of people where we were talking about this. I wasn't getting headaches. You guys sent me the stronger stuff. Now we have to take eight of them

because you guys lowered the dose. Well, we've talked about, no, I still feel a big difference from these. And the clinical trial that we did, the double blind, that was with this particular formula. But I still think that we should release a fucking hyperversion for people who are savages

and just want to get crazy. Even if you don't want to, even if you can't. It's if you're going crossbones if we can't if we can't release it can i at least get something i might come back with some ninja combinations yeah we can get you something well i think this is just the beginning of this sort of science of uh of nootropics and they're coming up with all sorts of different combinations these things paracetam i want that stuff to be like Insantine oh that shit from that movie Limitless

I love that movie man yeah that's America in a nutshell everybody wants to be a lazy fuck that you take a pill

and all of a sudden you're Superman gotta work for it isn't it funny though how many goddamn movies there are about a dumb person who all of a sudden becomes super smart

and figures the whole fucking world out like John Travolta when he got hit by lightning oh that's right that's right all That's right. All of a sudden he's fucking learning Portuguese and shit. That was sweet. Yeah, that was a good one.

Everyone's outside with a pole trying to get struck by lightning and stuff so they can be smart. Well, you know, it does work with some things. Like people have, like, I have a friend and her son got in a motorcycle accident and then he got a head injury and became super artistic after the motorcycle injury.

Yeah. So we do need to get hit in the head. Right, yeah. Well, for some people. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. It's not an exact science. That's the problem. Sam Kinison got hit in the head

when he was a kid, too. He got hit by a truck. Oh, I heard about this. Yeah, and it fucking switched. He was like a normal, calm, shy kid, and then he got hit by a truck, and all of a sudden, ow, ow! He became this fucking wild, impulsive shy kid, and then he got hit by a truck, and all of a sudden, ow, ow! Oh, wow.

He became this fucking wild, impulsive maniac. Wow, that's crazy. Honestly, yeah. Well, head injuries are very strange. It's very strange, the reactions that head injuries have. People have had car accidents and then become gay. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Really? No way. I might have made that up. No, I'm not feeling it. No, no. I might have made that up. No, no, I didn't. Hold on a second. Head trauma turns a guy dead. have made that up. No, I'm not feeling it. I might have made that up. No, no, I didn't. Hold on a second.

Head trauma turns a guy dead. Somebody made it up. No, I don't think so. Some guy who was gay and just used that as an excuse. That's fine, dude. I'm not judging you. I'm a dick. Rugby player wakes up gay after a stroke.

Wow. He had a stroke and then he woke up and he was gay. Someone took care of him when he was not. Burly rugby player has a stroke after Wow. He had a stroke and then he woke up and he was gay. Someone took care of him when he was not. Burly rugby player has a stroke after freak gym accident. Wakes up gay and becomes a hairdresser. That's just his excuse. I mean, whatever. I mean, he's gay.

He's gay. It's cool. Whatever, you know. Just admit it earlier. So does not look gay. Or a rugby player. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He does not look like a rugby player either.

Yeah. But, I mean, he doesn't need to make an excuse of getting hit in the head to be gay. I mean, just whatever. You're gay. Okay. Dude, you don't know. No. an excuse of getting hit in the head to be gay. I mean, just whatever. You're gay. Dude, you don't know. Maybe he really did have a stroke and woke up gay. Look what he used to look like.

Straight as fuck. Straight as fuck. He looked straight. Well, you know, there was a drug called ReEquip that an Irish man won a settlement of, I believe it was like $600,000 U.S. Because this drug turned him gay and into a gambling addict. He was having unsafe sex, and he was going, like, meeting people online and getting fucking crazy with dudes and doing a bunch of gay shit. And he was a family man, married guy. And he won?

He won. How do you prove that? That's a very good question, T.J. Dillashaw. Subject to a turkish. I like how you think. I don't fucking know, man. But not only did they prove it. I mean, this was against GlaxoKline.

GlaxoKline Smith, the big pharmaceutical company. They're the ones who lost. So it was their lawyers lost this case. It was so much evidence. Here, I'll pull it up. Re-equip. There must be so much fucking evidence. Turns a man gay.

Wow. That is crazy. There's so much evidence that they actually had to give him money, which is amazing. Yeah, he won 160,000 pounds, which is roughly somewhere around. What's that weird L-looking thing? Is that a pound? I am not sure. I think so.

Anyway, whatever the amount this was. It was a lot of money. Even if it was $160,000. It was way too much. I don't care if it's $160. He shouldn't get paid for that much. Right, nothing. Somebody got manipulated.

Well, he had Parkinson's. And so this was a Parkinson's medication, and it turned him into a gay sex and gambling addict. Amazing. Impulsive control systems. This is where it gets really weird, including compulsive behaviors. There have been reports of patients experiencing intense urges to gamble, increased sexual urges, and other intense urges, and the inability to control those urges while taking one or more of the medications that increase central dopaminergic tone

that are generally used for the treatment of Parkinson's disease. So this is in restless leg syndromes. You see when dudes can't stop moving their legs. That's my leg. That's me. Who's this Parkinson's guy? Does he have any daughters? Is that a joke?

Oh, man. Should have worked on that one a little bit more before you let it loose. Parkinson's sons? He had Parkinson's sons. Oh, you're so retarded. It doesn't work. You can't keep trying. He's like, come on, guys.

Parkinson's son, where's his daughters? Get it? They're on a fuck. it doesn't work you can't keep keep trying he's like come on guys parking son where's his daughters get it they're gonna fuck I thought it was funny but I think I missed it

please don't encourage him we both missed it there was nothing there the the idea that that a drug could do that to you though

it's pretty fucking shocking a drug that turns you into acting like a lot of other people in the world well not just acting like a lot of other people in the world but Well, not just acting like a lot of other people in the world,

but you're a normal guy who has a control of your urges and then all of a sudden you're just flying off the handle meeting dudes online. Control of your urges.

There you go. Brian, we should do that as a test. Just get you on this shit. I would love to try it. He would totally do it. He would be the best guinea pig. It would make life

so much easier if I liked it. We'd give him a monthly budget and a videographer. You know how nice it would be to like dick? It would be the best thing in the world. If you just craved it instead of having to deal with all this nonsense.

That's what I'm saying. Back at the gym. Damn it. I mean, look. Everybody wants to say there's something wrong with being gay. But you live and you die. And if you're straight, you look at gay and go, oh, I don't want that. But guess what?

If you're straight, you look at, or if you're gay, rather, you look at straight and go, oh, I don't want that. But guess what? If you're straight, you look at, or if you're gay, rather, you look at straight and go, oh, I don't want that. What you like is what you like. And if you like gay, it would be awesome to be gay. There's spots. I had doctors and I had to go do my physicals and stuff for the fight. They say, why are you fighting? Why are you doing this? I'm like, fuck, man. I don't know, but it's fun.

Yeah. My levels of testosterone, I think. Well, if you go down to Santa Monica Boulevard If you're a gay guy There's like a one stop shop You just take your shirt off And just walk through the crowd And dudes just start blowing you

That's what I hear It's very different Because it's all yang There's yang, yang, yang, yang, yang There's no yins There's no like oh I don't know You just want to use me. There's none of that.

They're using each other. They're just fucking blasting each other. They're having a great time. They understand each other. There's no confusion. There's no navigating. You know, like, navigating a relationship with a woman is like putting rubber gloves on in the dark and putting your hands into one of those incubation tubes and trying to do a Rubik's Cube.

Like, what? I can't see what the fuck's going on here. You have to take their word for what is happening here. Oh, you're upset that I went out with my friends? Oh, okay, I guess no more friends. Are you my friend? Who are you? What's going on here?

We don't know how they think. I think I got a good Rubik's Cube. Yeah, but dudes? I got a good one. Well, you got a good one. That's the key. Get a Rubik's Cube that you can figure out. There you go.

There it is. But dudes knowing dudes, They're like, oh, you like dick I like dick Party! Woo! They know what's going on They both like each other They bang it out Seems more easy

So if you were offered this drug If you weren't married Would you try it? No, I'd have to be committed Because, you see Women can dance back and forth From the world of gay and straight with an effortless finesse. They can,

they can easily go back and forth. Not only that, it makes them more attractive. They can say things like, I don't even like to talk about this, but I was gay for like a year. Shut up. Yeah.

For a year I had a girlfriend and you know, I just was like, men are assholes. I'm done. And, you know, I just was like, men are assholes. I'm done. And you're like, your dick is like a fucking, just a raging steel missile in your pants. Like, tell me more. Where is she? Tell her to come stay with us.

You know? That's the first thought on every guy, for sure. For sure. It's okay. It doesn't even bother me. Yeah. If you came home and you found your girlfriend eating pussy, you wouldn't be like, what the fuck?

You'd be like, oh, what's going on here? Yeah. Just take your clothes off and come in the room. Like, hey, what's up? As long as the girlfriend is not all jealous and fucking plotty. Like, oh, look, I don't even like that. You better keep it away from me. Like, oh, someone's ruined the party.

As long as she's friendly too, who cares? But if a girl comes home and her boyfriend is sucking a cock, that's a bummer. If you come home and your boyfriend is blowing the plumber, that is a fucking straight bummer. You know? But if you came home and, like, you know, your wife had went to fucking lunch with some chick who's in aerobics class and they're eating each other out when you walk through the door, it's really not that big of a deal. It's a little surprising. Like, whoa, this is crazy.

The act of male sex is a very different act. It's very... So, no, I wouldn't take that pill. To answer your question. In a roundabout sort of a way. Would you take it? You think you would take it? No, no.

No. Girls are better. They're prettier. They smell better. It would be interesting to try it, though, if there was a serum. You know what I mean? I don't want to rework to be fixed. Oh, my God.

I like dick. That's so weird. All right. Never mind. That was weird, though. Yeah. I wouldn't mind. So you're curious.

I wouldn't mind being So you're curious. It's fine, man. It's cool. I wouldn't mind being a girl for a day. This is what I say. If there is a possibility that you could go into someone's mind, like say this. Say if you and your girlfriend got together and you went into a machine and you swapped positions.

Like she became the girl and you became the guy. Like you had all your knowledge of life but all of a sudden you thought like a girl and you became the guy. You had all your knowledge of life, but all of a sudden you thought like a girl and you wanted to get fucked. And you wanted to get fucked by you because she's you now and you are her. So you liked boys and you liked you.

That would be a way that you could be gay but not be gay because you'd be gay for yourself. So you would switch positions with your girlfriend or wife. So you have her thoughts. And she would be banging you doggy style. You're like, wow, this does hurt my service. This is kind of annoying.

She wasn't lying. She could be you. She could feel what it's like to get head and go, oh, now I know why you're always trying to get me to do this. This is pretty awesome. This is amazing. It's odd.

I like it better when I'm looking at it. Crazy. I like it better when I'm looking at it. Crazy. I like it better when I'm looking at you doing this. I never would have imagined that. Now I know why you're always creeping me out, staring at me. They need to invent this machine just to make the relationship better. To make everyone's relationship better. Oh, to make it so much better.

Well, there's a problem now, man. There's this weird competition between men and women. There's us versus them. There's a bunch of sneaky fucks that sneak on the other weird competition between men and women. There's us versus them. There's a bunch of sneaky fucks that sneak on the other side, both men and women. There's a bunch of women who are down to hang with men.

She'd like to come over to your house and, oh, she can watch sports with us. Yeah, fuck she can. Goddamn traitor. Gender traitor over here sneaking around, collecting data to bring back to the enemy. And that's the same way with men. And men who, you know, like the white knights who like stand. There's white knights that start shit that there's nothing.

Like a man and a woman could be having a disagreement, like a calm disagreement. And some dickhead will walk up and go, is he bothering you? Is there a problem here? Like, oh, you gross sack of shit. How dare you? Now, people not even raising their voice. All I saw is you being a dick to a beautiful woman. Like, there's a lot of those guys out there.

They'll insert themselves, whether it's verbally into an internet situation or whether it's physically in a bar. Just nosy cunts that are totally out of line that will pretend that you're being aggressive. I got you. And, you know, I've seen it happen with the girls. Like, get the fuck out of here. We're just talking about this. You're not a part of this. I came over to help you.

And the girl was like, I don't need your fucking help. Like, what are you doing, man? But the dude had his mouth open. The dude was like, are you fucking serious? Like, I can't believe this guy came over. That is super common. Super common that sanctimonious shithead dudes will step in as the white knight. Those guys are disgusting.

If you're at that. Because they have this fucking moral high ground. Almost like they're going to come over and rescue someone. It's like, do you remember? Rescue you but be a scumbag at the same time. Exactly. Trying to sneak in on your chick. Exactly.

You know what I mean? Exactly. Oh, this guy's a dick. Leave him for me. Come on. Let's go. Do you remember those guardian angel dudes?

Do you remember those guys? They would wear berets and they would fucking fight crime and shit. Yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah. What happened to those guys? Here's what happened to them. One of them faked a rape that he helped rescue someone. He faked it

and then stepped in and saved the day. And they caught him. And everybody was like, what the fuck are you doing? But the guy became like a radio guy. He was doing a radio show for a while. But those kind of guys, they would be walking around looking for people to save sometimes. They would be directing traffic. I remember I was in Boston.

And I was in traffic. And I'm sitting there at a red light. And this dude this dude's a guardian angel he's got the beret on he's dressed like a fucking superhero and i look over at him and i'm and i'm with my friend i'm like look at this guy over here what is going on and i look over the guy and the guy's like fuck you he's giving me the guardian angel because i was looking at him i'm like dude you're wearing an outfit from another era. Like, you have a beret on, sir. Like, are you a poet in France? Like, what are you doing?

Poet in France. Are they still around, bro? Yeah, the safety patrol. Guardian Angel safety patrol. Yeah, that's the guy. That guy in the middle, he's the guy that faked the rape. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

But these beret-wearing fucking shitheads would be wandering through the streets. So strange. Illuminati, of these guys So strange Illuminati Illuminati bro But now with the Illuminati I can't believe that shit The guardian angels Down with the goddamn Illuminati There's gonna be shit

To people in every position Of course Of course The overall mission Of that is cool though Yeah Well If it was legit

Yeah And maybe it is In some circumstances But what I'm going back to is those fucking white knight assholes. Those guys who pretend. Pretend there's a problem. You see it online, too. Traitors.

You fucking pussies. You're the opposite of Clint Eastwood in all his best movies. That's what you fucking little bitches. Sad bitches with weak sperm. No one wants any of it. See, they should have came up through the martial arts. They'd be more respectable human beings. Well, they would have more confidence. They wouldn't have to take that sneaky move.

The sneaky move of trying to paint other men as a victim. Or other men as the aggressor when they're not. That's a common thing with guys. I see that. And then there's also, there's guys that do fucking suck. And there's guys that we have to call out. That men have to go, this guy's a fucking cunt. You know, the guys that are ruining it for other men because they treat women like shit.

There's that, too. But it's hard to distinguish when you've got your fake-ass white knights out there muddying the water. Yeah, they're ruining it. Just peeing in the pool. That'd be a good judge of character. Crying wolf. You better judges. But that's the thing, right?

The judge of character. There's also a red hat society. No, that's different. Those are women, man. There's The judge of character. There's also Red Hat Society. No, that's different. Those are women, man. There's a bunch of old ladies. Those ladies are very friendly. How dare you? Stupid fuckers.

See, that's the thing about women's groups, man. You don't worry about them beating people up. Like fucking Guardian Angels or Hell's Angels. You know, you could run into a bunch of dudes. You're in a possible ass-kicking scenario. Red Hats? What are those bitches going to do? There's very few. Give us some advice's very few riots started by red hat women.

Shaking their fists at us. You get out of my yard. So this fight, let's go back to this. Five-round fight. What is the next day like after a fight like that? What kind of injuries are you dealing with? What kind of soreness are you dealing with? My luckily all offensive injuries, you know, like my right hand was sore.

It's just feeling better now. My right elbow, left shin, right shin kind of deal, just from throwing strikes. You know, I got a little tiny cut on my eye, but for the most part feeling good. You know, I didn't take too much damage at all. A little bruise. My nose always gets kind of hit. It's just always in the way. But, yeah, it felt great, man.

Do you see these injuries like Anderson Silva, Tyrone Spong, these leg check, leg break injuries, which is crazy to see two of them in the course of a few months by super high-level fighters. Well, Dwayne, I should ask you this probably as a coach. What do you attribute that to, and how can guys prevent that from happening? Because it's some of the most horrific shit I've ever seen.

I don't know if it was a pre-existing injury already, if they had an injury going into the fight, or if it happened then, or if it was just blocking wrong, not turning the toes out, making sure you're lining up the shins, or buffering the blow, or if they went into it. So there's a couple X factors there. But, you know, I don't know. I mean, if you think we've seen it more and more then it would be something that's happening

during the injury camp i think that those are just two freak accidents well it's happened well it happened to carlos conant too someone kicked him they broke their ankle also in a king of the cage fight but um i'm not sure to be honest man they just have to well cory hill was the first he was a real tall skinny guy so we sort of attributed to that. He was 155, but he was so thin. Maybe cutting too much weight. Cutting too much weight you think has an impact on bone density? Maybe he could be depleting the body. I don't know.

But Anderson didn't really cut too much weight, did he? He cuts weight. He gets pretty heavy. Tyrone Spong definitely cut weight when he made that glory tournament. That I don't know, though. I know he cut weight because they were talking about it. Because he had two fights. Gokhan Saki had two fights.

But Gokhan Saki won the first fight. He fought Nathan Corbett and knocked him out. Not knocked him out, but hit him with a left hook. And his ears started bleeding real bad. They stopped that fight in the first round. He blew out his eardrum. So he got a first-round stoppage. But then Tyrone Spong fought this Brazilian cat and went three hard rounds with him.

And then they fought again that night. I have a problem with that. I think that, I love Glory, and I'm so happy they're bringing high-level kickboxing to television, but I really think they should abandon that fighting twice in one night. I think it's fucking dangerous, man. That's the worst thing on your brain, is double concussions. So you can

still fight on a concussion, and you get in your second one, so much worse for your brain. And it's not even. If one guy got a concussion in the first round of their fight, fought two more rounds, was out of it, and then an hour later has got a fight in the final match, and the other guy won his first fight with one punch, didn't receive any damage at all, just because, you know, they both had to fight doesn't mean that it's an even situation going into the final fight. It's absolutely not even, which makes it kind of interesting for the folks at home, but I think when you're dealing with the highest level combat athletes, it's a disservice to them to make them compete like that.

You kind of have to do that on Ultimate Fighter. I mean, you do get longer breaks, but, man, that's crunched into six weeks. I agree. If you go into a fight and get cut, they might not even let you fight. Everything's got to work together for that show, too. I mean, not always the best athlete wins that show because of so many x factors are going into the fights yeah and hand injuries that just goes back to uh game planning as well taking the first couple rounds or first couple fights nights in lay and not showing up putting everything out of the toolbox just finding you know the safe

fights to save it to the end you know one of the kids on this season uh ultimate fighter uh i think how do you pronounce the last name spawn Spawn? Oh, the kid with the, had the good knockout to get in the house? Had the good knockout to get in the house and then he had a second fight

and fought very conservatively and people were just going crazy and booing him and getting mad at him and Dana said it was one of the worst fights he's ever seen.

Do you have a problem with that? Does that drive you nuts when you know the actual scenario inside the house? You know that you have to get through that

and this idea that you're supposed to throw caution to the wind in your future. Just throw it on a whim just to make it more exciting. Entertaining, yeah. I mean, the guy's smart. He's looking towards his future. He's really smart.

I mean, a lot of people don't look at it that way. They don't realize how fast this show is filmed. It's filmed in six weeks. You fight a week later, most likely. Sometimes you'll get a little bit longer break, but my last two fights were within five days of each other. That's crazy.

Yeah. That's crazy. It's incredibly difficult to do, and in any other situation, it probably likely wouldn't get sanctioned. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, good call. You know, if you were fighting in the UFC, and you fought a three-round hard fight,

and then they said, oh, he's going to fight another three-round hard fight in a week, you'd be like, he's going to what? Yeah. Can you imagine if somebody from this past weekend, let's pick a fighter, Damian Maia. Damian Yeah. Can you imagine if somebody from this past weekend, let's pick a fighter, Damian Maia. Damian Maia had a three-round scrap this past weekend. If he had to go and, you know, this week someone fell out and they said,

well, Damian Maia's going to fight this weekend in Vegas. You'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? The Vegas Athletic Commission would be like, the fuck he is. But somehow or another on an extended show where it's a tournament format, like Glory, they're going to fight in a night. That's right. That's nuts. They wouldn't let you fight the next day Glory, they're going to fight in a night. That's right. That's nuts. They wouldn't let you fight the next day,

but they'll let you fight an hour later. No matter how the fight goes, even if you win easily, you still get suspended 30, 45 days. Exactly. How the fuck is a guy fighting a two-round war, a three-round war in kickboxing, and then going to fight again?

Then I guess that goes back to how they used to have like 12-round kickboxing matches. They used to have 15-round boxing matches. Yeah, there you go, and then going to fight again. Then I guess that goes back to how they used to have 12 round kickboxing matches. They used to have 15 round boxing matches. Then just breaking it up is pretty much how the same format is. But it's not because you're never getting cold. You're getting breaks, yeah. That break when you get cold and everything chills out. That's terrible.

I fought three times. The only time I ever fought kickboxing I fought three times in one night. I had an hour between the second fight and the third fight. You you try to fire up again. You've already fought twice that day. You're beating the fuck down. That's a wrestling tournament. It's very hard.

You've got to change that aspect also. The wrestling tournament, though, the only difference being that wrestling, you're not taking head blows. Yeah, for sure. I worry about guys in glory getting concussed in the first round and then making it through somehow and then fighting in the finals and getting head kicked into oblivion. I really do worry about that. I just don't think it's the right way. I think they've got such a great thing.

They're putting high-level kickboxing on TV. You're getting to see all these Muay Thai greats. You're getting to see all these, like, amazing, amazing fighters and fights. But the situation with a tournament I just think is archaic. I think they need to abandon that shit. Just single fights each night. Some more tournament MMA. I mean, when they mma there's no i mean when they used to do that shit in pride they used to do that shit in the ufc you get even playing fields i like that better for sure yeah yeah sometimes people win terms that shouldn't win them no i shouldn't say shouldn't win them but

they shouldn't win them you're you you're right it's they shouldn't win them it's not fair it's it's too crazy it's like yes it's it's interesting. Yes, it's entertaining. Yes, it's fascinating, but it's unconscionable Knowing what we know now about injuries and about damage that a body takes to do that just for entertainment It's because it's not it's not as simple as you're risking all on one fight you train for eight weeks boom You're in the match. It's not it's two two fights in a day. Oh, you pussy Commentating on hopscotch, you fucking queer. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Yeah, definitely want to take the fighter to safety into account for sure. Dwayne Ludwig and CJ Dillashaw, I think we cleaned up a lot of things. I think we solved a lot of problems, judging problems, training problems. Listen, man, I can't say enough. Congratulations to you guys. Thank you. You guys, awesome job and awesome potential and awesome things to come. TJ Dillashaw.

Well, I can't believe it, man. I mean, it's impossible to say how impressive the whole thing has been. For you, you're living the dream, man. Congratulations. Thank you. Phantom weight, motherfucking champion of the world. Sounds good. Ka-pow! TJ DJ. Dillashaw. All right. Thanks to our sponsor.

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