The Joe Rogan Experience - #516 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

Episode Date: June 27, 2014

Unbox Therapy is a YouTube channel where "products get naked". Lewis does in-depth reviews of new tech products releasing to the consumer market.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! I love when a dude shows up at a podcast and he's got a bunch of shit that if I saw on a shelf I'd be like, ooh, what's that? Yeah, I figured coming straight from Google I.O. that it would make a lot of sense to bring some of this stuff inside. It would have been a shame to leave it out there. What exactly is Google I.O.?

It's their developers conference. So it's focused on bringing together people that are making apps, sort of Google-centric type of applications. But it's also turned into a consumer-facing conference because a lot of people are paying attention at that time. I think they had a million concurrent streamers of the actual event so a million a million worldwide so current concurrent jesus christ i know that's incredible it sounded like too much to me but i'm not gonna question google well that's a good television show on hbo

right yeah isn't it i mean like if uh what does game i don't think they do it i don't think i don't know if they do a concurrent. I guess it would be. I would imagine. I mean, a lot of it's DVR'd, right, in this day and age. That's what I was wondering. Almost everything's DVR'd. Yeah.

So it has to be an event where you sort of feel like you need to capture it or catch it live or else you're going to miss something. Whereas, I mean, you could watch the Google I.O. conference after. But, yeah, a lot of people paying a lot of attention to the things they were doing. What do those Macworld conferences, those are the big ones, right? What are those? Not anymore. They're not big? Not anymore.

WWDC, Apple holds its own conferences now. So Macworld was actually like an independent body and they just used it as a vehicle to introduce new products. It was like a convention for Apple and Apple related stuff. Right. And they decided to opt out of all third-party conventions. They're not at CES in any form. Apple's not.

Apple, they want to control the entire experience. And so many of them happen on their campus, and then some happen in downtown San Francisco, like Google I.O. That's a big point of debate and dispute, isn't it, with Apple? Yeah, the controlled environment? Yeah. Definitely. Always has been. For sure. point of debate and dispute isn't it with apple yeah the controlled environment yeah definitely has been for sure uh i mean for there's there's good sides and bad sides to to that kind of

approach obviously controlling the entire software and hardware experience means that you're going to get a product that generally is fairly polished but from an innovation standpoint it means you're sort of cutting off you know your limbs in a sense that you're not bringing people into that development circle that might have otherwise been there because it is sort of a walled garden effect. Yeah, isn't that fascinating? I always remember back in the day when the clones were legal. Oh, right. Apple clones. Right, right, right.

You'd be able to go and there were stores that would construct you an Apple computer. You mean like semi-recently, like Hackintoshes, they were called. Yeah, well, not even semi-recently. A long time ago. It used to be actual retail distributors. It used to sell Mac products, but way more powerful than Apple was making them. They would sell them with five fucking hard drives and souped up motherboards. I built a couple of them myself.

Did you really? Yeah, way back. And then Apple just put the kibosh on that yeah i i can almost remember the name of the big company it was like either cylon or yes i something yes i think it was cylon and they and there was some kind of court case and they had to stop i don't think you want to go up against apple in court well back then apple was way weaker but still formidable still scary yeah but they so they now are the one computer but the problem is if you look at it from the product point of view right they make the best shit they

just do they make the best laptops they make the best desktops they make the shit that crashes the least they make the operating system that's the most beautiful i would say they make the best shit for the most people for the most people yeah because I think that if you really want to get in there and tinker, if you're like a heavy-duty power user, then a lot of this, like you look at this MacBook Air or your MacBook Pro, there's so much of it that's embedded. It requires the entire package topper. You want to go in there and put more RAM in it or something

or swap out a hard drive. It's not going to happen. You've got to bring it somewhere. And the geniuses, the Apple geniuses, how pretentious. Look, I love Apple, but how fucking dare you? How do you feel about the Apple Store experience in general? I enjoy it, you know, for the most part. Right.

I think it's a very busy place when it comes to selling computers. Right. Remember when Windows tried to have a Windows Store? I think they're still trying. You could coyote hunting there yeah right you can find coyotes hiding out well the thing is nobody in those fucking things no i took a picture of an empty one before and tweeted it out and everybody got it they don't they're not they're not known for selling hardware right right they were a software company you see

a microsoft sign on a in a mall it's like what what am i buying here well as an ignorant person um ignorant to as far as development development of a product right like a laptop i'm pretty ignorant i don't know too much other than the things i vaguely paid attention to online what is stopping someone from making like a super high-end windows laptop that looks like this, that feels like this. Oh, there are so many that look and feel like this. Are they this high quality? Mm-hmm.

And they give you the same experience? No, because you're running Windows. That's right! Well, here's the thing. Why is Windows so much worse? They have so much money. They dropped the ball. How bad did they drop it?

Pretty bad. After the Windows ME experience of 19- It's not just like they dropped the ball. They dropped it, and then they shit on it, and then they fell on it, and then they broke their hip. I don't want to speak for you didn't get that same pleasure you get out of booting up an Apple product and getting into the OS and seeing the cohesion of the whole thing.

Windows, even in the old days, was sort of like a necessary evil. Windows was the way to get to the shit you actually liked, whether you wanted to load a game or a web browser or whatever. But on its own, it's always been utilitarian. It's always been ugly. Yeah, I always envy the dudes who ran NT.

The Windows NT guys. Those are the guys who really knew things. Oh, right, right, right. He's running NT. Oh, NT. There's a bunch of shit you couldn't get, like drivers for certain video cards. Yeah.

If you wanted to play games, if you ran NT, it'd be a real issue as far as... People do that now with Linux. That's sort of the counterculture OS. Yeah, like, yeah, you know, off the grid, open source. Savages. Yeah. IBM actually originally innovated that.

And now I don't know who, I think it's just open source. I don't know if it's in anyone's hands now. I do think Apple is the best of making an operating system slowly die like a cancer instead of just immediately. Like I'm going through an experience right now where my iMac is just dying. It's the operating system dying. I redid it from scratch. I put new memory in it and stuff like that. The operating system is just saying like this model, you need to replace it soon.

This is the Brian Redband conspiracy theory. The ongoing conspiracy theory when it comes to operating systems. But they do it with iPhones. Everyone knows you have an iPhone 4 and you get the new operating system. You got all the new updates. That's going to be way slower. Even some programs might not work on it. It's not always the case.

That does happen. There are sometimes things that happen within an OS that require more hardware to be able to perform at the same level of speed. Not in Brian's world. It's a goddamn conspiracy. Trying to get people to buy these new fucking things. Well, I mean, if you want to get a Mac Pro, go for it. They're beautiful things. But it seems like with this or with a Samsung Galaxy Note 3

or whatever, when new shit gets made, new possibilities, you're going to need more processing power. You're going to need more processing power. Apps require more. The new videos that they're taking, the new photographs, we take bursts of photographs. God, there's got to be some processing going on. You're going to need a faster rig. That's just the way it is.

There's no doubt that, especially on Apple products, but in general, there's this structure built in where the expectation is to upgrade your device every time that contract is up, right? Well, I think there's no option. If you're in the game, if you're in this loving electronics game

that everyone in this room is in, we're all fucking dorkenheimers when it comes to new electronics, when you're in that game, you have to keep up. If you do not keep up, if you try to run an iPhone 3 on the newest iPhone software, it's just going to be clunky that game you have to keep up if you do not keep up if you try to run an iphone 3 on you know the newest iphone software it's just going to be clunky because the iphone 3 didn't have near the capabilities and these new applications these new the video that you can take the photos you can

take the the new weird things you could measure your heartbeat with your fucking with your camera lens with this watch you could do with your watch but you could do it with your iphone can do it or an android phone right do it just by holding your finger over the camera lens. Jamie showed it to me. I didn't think it would work. How does that work? I don't believe it's accurate. It's super accurate.

I did it with a regular heart monitor. Yeah, I did it with a chest heart monitor, and I did it with that at the same time. It's dead on. It's dead on. I have a new watch, though, that does it on your wrist. You don't have to wear a chest strap anymore. He's got the newest watch that we just announced, which is amazing. We were actually just talking about it.

You can see it on the bottom there. Yeah. That's the heart monitor on the bottom? Yeah, it's optical. And with watches, it's, ooh, that's so pretty. Let me see. Oh, so pretty. How'd you make it green?

It was green for a second. Oh, it might have just. Ooh, look at that. Yeah, it might have just... Ooh, look at that. Yeah, it might have gone into sleep mode or something. What's the model of that watch? So that's the Gear Live, they're calling it, which is kind of bizarre. They tried to get me into this at the Verizon store. I told them to go fuck themselves.

Yeah, they probably tried to get you into the old version of it because this isn't even on the market yet. Ah, you devil. You're one of those guys. Yeah. Ooh, look at that collar I made it to. Oh, I made it go green so pretty yeah uh the difference here between the the previous samsung watches in this one is this is the first to be running the open uh platform that that google has created so not a modified version of software it's running something called android wear and

what google is hoping to hoping to do on your wrist is essentially replicate what they've done on the phone. If you're looking at it, this is the wrist thing. That thing in there is the monitor. That's right. It's optical. It's actually going to look under the surface of your skin. It has a clasp on the back that locks into place.

It's very well designed. It's crazy. The beauty of this going this direction with it, is if you can build a platform instead of a one-off device, then the likelihood that a developer will jump into it and build something really cool that you never

foresaw happening is that much higher because of the mass market effect. If everyone's running the same software on their wrist, it's better for everyone. There's this kind of love-hate relationship between Samsung and Google over this because for the longest time, Samsung has been trying to diminish its reliance on Google as a whole. Like for their brand, it's so essential for them to sell products.

And so they've been moving into some different operating systems now that are not very good but independent of Google yeah this is awesome man yeah yeah so i can i can tell you some of what it does i mean it's not really that that much new comparative to the old smart watches uh essentially you're going to get your notifications here it has a microphone on it so that uh you can input uh voice commands etc you, for example, want to text somebody back, you can catch the notification here, respond to the text right on your wrist, and leave your phone in your pocket.

They were saying on stage that they believe 70% of our interaction with our device could be curbed by having one of these on your wrist. So essentially, most of the day, your phone could remain in your pocket. But I was talking earlier with Brian about how really the goal here, the end game, is preemptive computing. So the idea that this thing will know what you want to do before you know that you want

to do it. And that's what Google now has been pushing in that direction. So your flight lands, and it can estimate how long it's going to take you to get home or the proximity sensor says that you're in the airport so it looks at your travel itinerary and brings up your boarding pass right on your wrist so those kinds of things are what make wearing something on on your exterior more interesting where a buzz in your pocket is maybe not as effective as the information you can get here like so the travel distance and things along those lines,

things that updates, those Google updates that you get on your phone, temperature, warnings. So things like that. But again, I don't know that we can necessarily imagine all the potential uses for preemptive computing. I mean, essentially, much like the Nest thermostat, I don't know if you've heard of that before. It's a really fancy thermostat you put in your house.

And it's a learning thermostat. I don't know if you've heard of that before. It's a really fancy thermostat you put in your house. And it's a learning thermostat. And they just took over the marketplace. They recently got acquired by Google, by the way. And one of their designers was one of the original guys who worked on iPod. So really, there's a cool story there. But anyways, they acquired Nest. Nest's product is a learning thermostat that never needs to be programmed. The programming is just you using it.

So it's Wi-Fi connected. You come home and you adjust it. And you don't realize there's patterns in your behavior. That at 3 o'clock, you always like it to be a certain temperature. And at 6, it's different. And eventually, it will draw out an algorithm to deal with your behavior, at which point you no longer need to ever worry about it or touch it. The goal of the product is to require less and less interaction from you

the more you use it. What's weird about Nest is that they also have these new products. They're now taking over washer and dryers. They're getting to the point where it is going to be like that old Flintstones where they control, they're the central computer of your house. And it's like, hello, computer. What are you doing here? And they also have these smoke detectors

that also do carbon monoxide and stuff like that. So they could even turn off and be like, oh, let's turn on the oven. Let's gas this guy and kill him. So Google's going to be able to murder us in our house in the future. Or warn you if someone's breaking into your house trying to murder you.

Well, they just acquired Dropcam, which is what I've been preaching about forever because Dropcam is one of the greatest, I think, inventions in a long time. It's these little cameras that film amazing HD and that you can put all over your house that connect to your Wi-Fi. And then you get a text like, oh, somebody's walking through my house. You're sitting there watching full HD. It's recording in the cloud for you recording all that stuff right and it could also learn certain things like just watch this part of the house you know if it's me walking

around because it's doing detections of what kind of object motions it is do you shut all that off cover it with t-shirts when you fuck do you like do you put like socks over them if when i remember and then you can of course not course not. He needs to have that in the cloud. No, no, I need that in the cloud so he can get hacked but I also need it

how about as proof? What if like that video we were talking about that guy that was doing the drone over the beach and that woman attacked him

and he had recorded it. You know, if it wasn't for that his little recording there what would have happened? She said that he attacked her. Right. Yeah, but there was a video of her beating the shit out of him.

But what if you meet a girl at a bar, you're both drunk, and you go back to your living room like that comedian that just happened to a comic recently in Denver, and he got in a whole bunch of trouble. But how do you feel about that world, though, everything being recorded all the time?

That's the question I was going to ask. It's going to be great once something bad happens when it's nothing's bad happening and i don't really care you know um sort of except if you do something fucked up and someone gets a hold of it yeah just don't do anything fucked up it's great it's like that lego movie everything is awesome is it really i don't know if it's really that simple though because in i mean you've access yeah and you've seen before like the effect of say for example editing on the end product on a show or something like that. You can totally change context, change narrative. Somebody having footage of you doing any kind of behavior could potentially be used to harm you.

But we all know if you have a Photoshop that there's ways to detect if it's Photoshop, if there's an edit. There's so much smart little algorithms that you could tell that there's one grain that's not supposed to be there in a film sure yeah that's as far as like actually altering the image itself but not the context of the image itself you know you could you could have someone doing something that's actually not fucked up if you knew the whole story but yeah that's what i mean that's what i mean yeah yeah that it's an issue it's certainly an issue and it's certainly an issue because there's people that have that power over others you know that's what the the real issue with the NSA is like wait a minute you're monitoring every single person in the country like that you're assuming we're all criminals because if not then do you pick a target like

that you know is innocent is it okay for you to monitor them no it's not right we all agree so the only reason why it's okay is you're looking at us all as potential criminals. That's a real issue. For sure. Definitely. Just that philosophy of government, that philosophy of ruling over people, because it's omnipotent. For sure. On my way over, this just reminded me of something.

Or before I left the hotel, I saw on the TV about that guy whose kid died in the back seat of his car. I don't know if you've heard about this. In Georgia. Did he leave the kid in the backseat? How old was the kid? The kid was a toddler. Left him in the backseat overheated and died. And today, I guess, they find out the dude was googling hot

car death, backseat death prior to the event. Just to see how long it would take. Oh my god, so he did it on purpose. That's the thought. Or he was seeing how long he could leave his kid in there while he runs and gets a lot of jobages. Fine, but that's pretty fucked up on its own, man.

Either one is fucked up. He tried to kill his kid. He killed his kid. Wow. The problem is stories like that resonate so close to home that you're like, fuck it, give them all the power they need. You can't, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Well, that's how I feel sometimes. Don't even pull this up, dude. I don't want to see that guy's face. Yeah, no, you don't. Sometimes I feel like that when it comes to location services. Right. Do you want Google to know where you are?

Right. I guess. You have to think about where am I? What am I doing? bar like right i guess you have to think about where am i what am i doing i showed him on yesterday's podcast how uh everyone's iphones has on default just all the locations that they sit at yeah that's right very strange that that's it is and you and you you really start to wonder about all of this power we give to these devices over us uh to these companies that we have this inherent trust. We're at a point now where we rely on these things to a degree that doesn't really allow

for an opt-out. Not for me, obviously. Right. Not for this podcast. Not for all kinds of exercises. And if we knew that the police and the DEA and the whatever organization that might be investigating you was infallible and super ethical there was no corruption there was no issues whatsoever with lying in order to close

cases to make your ego look better right but we know that's true we know that's true we know there's been a lot of prosecutors that have willingly put people in jail because they didn't want to admit they were wrong they got the wrong person those stories those stories always mess me up when this guy gets let out of jail 25 years later on DNA, it seems like the only truth is the scientific truth. You know, it seems there's no other truth. Once it's in human beings' hands, it's like Google with these self-driving cars.

Right. Like, they can eliminate so much. Yeah, almost all accidents. Yeah, like 90% are human error, right? Look at airplanes. Their safety records are insane, and the majority of that problem... We'll put a plane in the sky and let it fly itself, but we won't let a car on the road do so. Yet, the number one way that you will die between the ages of 4 and 34 is in a vehicle.

Well, we're letting it happen. When you say we're not going to let it happen, like, they're letting Google cars happen. They're driving them right now. Well, they're out there, but they're letting it happen. When you say we're not going to let it happen, like they're letting Google cars happen. They're driving them right now. Well, they're out there, but they're not publicly available. There will be some, you can't, I mean, the oil and gas companies, the dealerships, look what they did to Tesla in New Jersey there. I don't think they'll be able to do that. Not long-term, not long-term, but they can put, you know,

sort of like the marijuana thing in Colorado. Like it ebbs and flows, right? Yeah. It goes a little bit this way, it comes back that way. I think it would be so transparent, though. It would be the real issue. Why would you try to avoid something that is easy, convenient, and unbelievably safe? There will be somebody with some kind of economic...

I think personal freedom issues are going to still apply. I like to be able to drive in a car. Yeah, that's true. Could you imagine a point at which that becomes illegal i mean it could happen definitely i mean or you could have to take your car to a fucking racetrack can you imagine if the only way you could drive your subaru was to take on a racetrack well but if you have a if you have a relic i always i sometimes feel like on the regular roads if you have a really nice car it's kind of like you know putting a muzzle on a dog you know you

really to to get the most out of it a racetrack would be good anyways. That is definitely true, to get the most out of it. But, damn, you can get a lot out of it. Yeah, definitely. You can still get something. You can get a lot out of it. It depends on what road. Take, like, Angels Crest Forest, Angels Crest Highway.

You've been up there. You know, like out near where the gun range is, too. Right. All these crazy winding roads are beautiful. It's so fun to drive. There is a way. You've been up there You know like Out near where that Gun range is too Right All these crazy Winding roads Right right right Beautiful It's so fun to drive

There is a way It's just that Unfortunately 98% of the way People drive sucks Like you're Sitting in gridlock First of all

Your phone should not Receive or send text Once it's in the phone Once it's in the car Right It should be a thing Where the car Recognizes via bluetooth

That your phone Is in the car No text fuckface That be a thing. Where the car recognizes. Via Bluetooth. That your phone is in the car. That's a good segue. No text. Fuck face. That's a good segue. Because one of the announcements. Actually at Google I.O. Was Google in the car.

Which again. Talks to all these different devices. And is essentially going to overhaul. Your car dash unit. Which. By the way. They all suck. They're all terrible.

Everyone's experienced. The shitty capacitive screens and the slow input, and pretty much everyone agrees just slapping your phone in the center of the dash is going to give you a better experience than the $3,000 or $4,000 unit that the car company installed.

Apparently, part of what holds them back is that they have to have approval so far in advance, three years or four years or something, to get approved to go into a motor vehicle that they can't, you know, that they're so far in advance, three years or four years or something, to get approved to go into a motor vehicle that they're so far behind by the time you're actually driving it that you've got a crappy experience. But the goal here for Google is that your phone is actually the brain because this is modular.

This changes. You upgrade this all the time. Your car, on the other hand, not so much. So if this is the brain doing all the processing and just outputting video to a monitor that also happens to be touchscreen, you don't necessarily have to worry about that so much. New points of interest on nav, for example, they don't happen on these locked-off circumstances, whether you have a VW or a Ford or whatever. Each one of those experiences relies on those companies to go input those new POIs. So a new restaurant opens, it's not going to be there. in the case of this it's it's always going to be current information

so the phone will sort of the car rather will sort of act as an app sort of i i would honestly think of it as more of an as an output method so like basically imagine when you plug this when you plug this phone into a tv you would see uh this let's, you would see this image up on the screen there. So let's imagine the same thing, but on your car dash. Right. Why not? We're all doing this anyway. Did I say phone would be an app?

What I meant is your car would be an app. Yeah. Essentially your car where you'd plug into your phone. Yeah. Have you ever seen those dudes who run those really large lenses? They take photographs, they plug it in, and apparently there's software that allows you to use these lenses with certain cell phones. Oh, really? I haven't seen that.

Yeah, they make large lenses. Jamie, you know about all that shit, right? Like a physical adapter? Yeah, they put a physical lens over it. Oh, I've seen those. Some of them have applications that go along with it. Definitely, definitely. The car is sort of acting like that.

Yeah. It's like an extension, and there's some sort of an application that will allow your car to interface with your phone. You wouldn't, the only thing is it would be, you wouldn't have to do any work. Right. Like, essentially it would be baked into your phone, and if you never used it, you'd never need to worry about it. But you would have to have a specific operating system, though. Because, like, say if you have Subaru, and Subaru only handles Android, but you have an iPhone. Exactly, exactly. So they announced, like, 50 auto manufacturers that are on board. operating system though because like say if you have subaru and subaru only handle android exactly

exactly so they announced like 50 auto manufacturers that are on board that makes a that's a huge pain the dick though when it comes to switching phones like i like going back and forth and this is and this is something i wanted to talk about how now with more and more connected devices it's becoming super important to pick your team. Oh, no. I know. Devicism. You're separating people. I like both.

I really do. I love my Note. I love the screen. The screen's incredible. I love the online experience. Yep. But you know what I got recently, man? I got a fucking iPad Air, the big one, with a Verizon connection.

That's what I got, boo. You have a Verizon connection on that bit? Yep. Yeah. My web browsing with a laptop or, you know, I mean, my web browsing with a phone are basically over. You know what's great about this also, Joe, is when you're on the road, I have AT&T as my cell phone. But a lot of places, AT&T sucks or vice versa. And you can just make a hotspot using this.

So you're always having the best network. Oh, clever boy. Clever boy. this so you're always having the best number oh clever boy well here's a boy here's an interesting thing there in that picking up picking a platform maybe it won't be such an issue in the future anyways because i i sort of view as much as i like apple i mean i've got products here i use the the iphone is in my pocket daily i got this laptop here they have no track zero traction in emerging markets at all that's not even of interest to them they sell here and only here i don't know about you but i'm american

and uh i don't really give a fuck about some mud hut yeah except that those people in those mud huts are making killer apps now oh damn it and if their first device that they get their hands on happens to be an Android device, that matters. Right. This is a global circumstance. I've been saying for a while that it's almost like Apple can't win. Because even though they have really high level stuff, and you start looking at the Moto M8, you go,

ooh, that's pretty goddamn close to an iPhone. Right. If it just had a better camera, the camera's kind of whack. Oh, I've heard you guys talk about this before this i wanted to talk about this specifically cell phone cameras okay everybody in the tech world knows that this thing takes the best instagram photos right instagram okay i said that specifically because it's the number one way that we share photos and ultimately how you share it is the biggest part of it. Who cares if it looks great on your phone

when other people have to look at it if it doesn't? So other phones came out, and you guys talked about it. There was one from... On my Instagram, you're saying this. There you go. Do I keep talking? No, you're good. All right.

So other devices came out. There's a Nokia device. It's a 41-megapixel phone, a Windows phone. 40 what? 41 megapixel. But you see, that device is not focused on the output method. It's just like, let's just make these crazy images that are huge. Well, how the hell do I get that thing onto Instagram?

For the longest time, Windows phone didn't even have Instagram. But here's the problem, okay? Instagram is a piece of software. And in order for it to work smoothly it has to compress your photos okay so the thing you're taking on your phone just in the camera app is not the same thing that other people end up seeing on the other side of instagram right you know what i mean and that compression algorithm is very sophisticated it has to go in there and figure out what can i remove and what do i need to leave in to make a beautiful picture right now if you're building the ios side of instagram of

that app it's very easy to build because what are your parameters it's the same camera every time right right android holy shit how many android phones are on the market a lot of fucking android phones so now how many parameters as a developer do you need to deal with because all those phones have different attributes? So the way they take a picture is different. So going in and trying to figure out what to remove in terms of bits and bytes to still have a good picture on the other side is very difficult to do. So it's not necessarily a technical limitation on the side of the device.

The Galaxy S5,5 for example has a great camera a great camera until you try to upload to instagram well i'm talking i'm talking about taking photos on my camera yeah on both and trying to take the best photo right no no that's that exists too this is a good it's a great camera don't get me wrong it has a big aperture this is still like in terms of mass market, you can't argue this against the Nokia one just because it hangs off the back. It's a giant thing.

But what I'm saying is, I believe the bigger problem is the Instagram problem. People hit me up on Twitter all the time saying, my photos look great. Then I upload them and they look like mud. They look like shit. Once I get them up there. This goes deep.

Tech guys will carry around two devices for that specific reason. I will take pictures on, even if I took a picture on here. You'll send it to your iPhone. But if I uploaded it on here, it would be different. That's ridiculous. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, when I upload my photos from both of my devices, a Note 3 and my iPhone 5S, all my fucking phones, all my notes photos are shit compared to this camera. They're not as good.

And if you have a program like Instagram that is taking random, because a lot of times I use Instagram, but just like photos I find on the internet, like a screenshot or something. That's another good example yeah and those programs should be able to be like okay we're going to make everything a screenshot that's uploaded through this you know algorithm like meaning like if you have a photo that's taken on one camera you have a screenshot you have a camera you uploaded whatever all those photos should be able to go through one single programming thing like we're all going to transfer this into what a screenshot is of that phone or whatever

meaning it shouldn't be like who cares of what different photos it is it's the programming that should be able to interpret it and output it no doubt about it but it's just if you say you're a developer on Instagram first of all Instagram's not really making much money right now anyways but if you're

how could they be? that's a good question I. Do people pay for Instagram? Yeah, you may start facial recognition so that they can own all your Facebook. Do you download it for free or do you pay for it? No, no, no. It's a free app. But you will

eventually start to see promoted Instagram posts from brands. In your feed, no choice. Ew. Twitter's doing it. Do they own your posts? Twitter is doing it, and they gross me out when they do it. Promoted tweets. Your friend is following X brand.

Does Instagram own your photos? Are they allowed to use whatever? They recently updated their TOS because they said that, and then people freaked out, and then they modded it. I'm not sure what the current state of their terms of service is but uh honestly instagram's probably my favorite social network outside of youtube uh because it's just streamlined it's images it's fast it's there's not too much facebook is a disaster you know and i mean i'm pretty sure that's why they purchased them for example if i put a picture on instagram from an interactivity stamp this is how you know

software is working when people want to use it if I put a picture on Instagram from an interactivity stamp, this is how you know software is working when people want to use it. If I put a picture on Instagram, the comment stream is happening faster than anywhere else, even though I don't have the same number of followers. There are a lot of douchebags on Instagram, though. I think maybe more than on Twitter. Oh, yeah, more on Twitter than less on YouTube.

Can we do a douchebag definition? When you say douchebag there, I'm curious as to what specifically... Just dumb assholes. Oh, okay. Just dumb, insulting assholes. Like, you ever go to Kim Kardashian's Instagram page? Not in a long time.

Jesus, Louisa. Go there and just read some of the fucking comments about her children. Right. I mean, anything. Anything that happens. Just the fucking hate. I'm sure it's there. It's diluted YouTube.

It's because you're commenting on a photo or a video instead of a Twitter where you're just talking about words. I honestly think anything worth anything should be comments deleted. Comics disabled. The problem is, very rarely it's rare

that it generates a really fascinating conversation in the comments. It's super common rarely it's it's rare that you it generates a really fascinating conversation in the comments it's super common that it's just cunty shitheads it depends on the subject matter like in my case sometimes i do get relevant discussion in the comments yeah me too uh tech discussion like they're pretty respectful but you do get this weird fanboys and stuff that gets militant surprisingly it's bizarre like i'm away like i don't know i have this theory like you know when you go to a coffee shop and you look around you're at starbucks everyone has their phones on the table you notice that like yeah like it's in a public space it's like it's like representative of you in some way right and i have this feeling that this is for a lot of people

this is a major investment you know outside of their car or whatever. It's really close to you. It's in your pocket all the time. And so I think people are really concerned with making the wrong decision. They're really concerned that their thing is not the best. And so in my case, what will happen is I'll put up a video. They haven't even had time to finish watching it. And Apple sucks or Android sucks or whatever. And really, it's fear.

It's fear that you made the wrong decision and so it well like many places in life you get angry when you're afraid and so god forbid a new product comes out that obsoletes yours and you don't have the money to replace it so you you take this position of defending the other thing because that's easier than justifying the cost of the new one so uh i've actually uh there were a couple of really cool articles on fanboyism that i was interviewed for and you know we went we went deep into how you know how people sort of figure that out but uh there's definitely this uh undercurrent below the the tech space the consumer product space where these are becoming more and more like fashion symbols like like uh you know representative of your personality maybe more so than status

than as a tool you know less less of a hammer and more like a piece of jewelry like a watch or something isn't it also that people just love being on teams whether it's team oh oh republican team chevy team most most definitely and and i've done some rants on this in the past. I feel the need to tell people, I'm a fan of technology. When I was coming up as a kid, if anybody brought me any of this stuff, I would be super excited. Of course. And I'm cool with saying that. But yeah, there is definitely a team aspect where people, they want to belong to something.

I say belong to team technology if that's what you're into because the truth is these devices and these platforms push one another. That the positive things that happen in Android push iOS to be better and the positive things that happen in iOS push Android to be better. And the same thing goes for laptops, desktops, really anywhere there's innovation, having a little bit of competition is a positive thing. Yeah, unquestionably. And I think that it's important that there's all this competition out there and it's important that there's debate, but people just have to be, they're just, it's just assholes. Just so many.

That's true as well. That's really what it is. They're out there. People just getting all slobber mouth about their various platforms. It's easy to do, right? Getting angry is probably the easiest thing to do. It's one of the easiest. You know, like, I mean, in terms of emotions.

Yeah. Anger is a reaction that people that don't have the ability to process something, they choose anger. It's the easiest one. So, but yeah, any kind of, like, those are not the dominating comments. Definitely not on my stuff. The dominating ones are more along the lines of, you know, like I said, technology in general, being happy about innovation. You post a new unboxing video of one of these things and everybody's cool with it and everybody's interested. And that's part of the reason why people watch my videos is because they sort of want to see the whole movement of the place in general.

It could have been an Apple channel. A lot of people do that. They'll have an iOS-related channel where they'll do app reviews specifically for a platform or something. But yeah, I don't want to give them a bad rap completely. They're not all douchebags. No, no, no, they're not. I mean, it's a small, loud minority, really.

I mean, but that loud minority can ruin the conversation. That's a problem yeah i mean uh youtube implemented this idea where you have your real name that's a great idea you know i love that idea they show a fucking picture of you too and a picture of you when you wake up in the morning what oh you fuck so i'm so cocky now about kim kardashian are you a little puke so yeah i mean that's one way to to remove anonymity on the web but a lot of people don't necessarily like like for example on reddit i mean could there ever be your real identity on reddit that's interesting you know there's there's benefits there's pros and cons

there's benefits to anonymity because a lot of times you'll get truth that someone might shield from you because of the social stigma of you know just social cues and interactions they might just back off of it and go i wasn't honest with them yeah you go to the social stigma of, you know, just social cues and interactions. They might just back off of it and go, ah, I wasn't honest with them. Yeah. Like you go to see someone in a movie, you know, like, what'd you think, man? Like, oh, fucking Christ. The movie's a piece of shit. Right, right, right.

You don't say that. You go, oh, pretty fucking good, man. Right. But if you were a random guy and there are so many things wrong with this movie, they should burn it on the movie. Right. You know, like. For sure.

You could say something like that. And you would really mean that. So, I don't know. Do you think the things are better for people having that ability? Or would they be better in the alternative space where you kind of, because you know anyways, right? When somebody really isn't into something, they don't really need to say it, do they? No. You know, you can feel it.

But I think that interaction in general, I think, first of all, I think this stage that we're in, this stage of commenting and being able to interact with people online, just like you put up a video, they can just shit all over your face. I don't like his face. Fucking guys annoying. Oh, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick something. Anything. Just decide.

This is a new ability that never existed a decade ago not didn't exist two decades ago there was nothing remotely similar to this not that so we don't really know how to deal with it and there's so many people that just get away with doing things on it right they would never do in real life sure just because they really shouldn't have that ability it's not a natural ability right the natural ability to communicate with each other is it's an ebb and flow interact it's not send a missile and sit back and wait boom and it explodes well that's the thing i mean now that you have that the art form of trolling like that's it's a whole thing and it is an art form when done well i mean it's sometimes good right there's a there's a new

website that i just started follow or a new twitter feed that i just started following that's a total troll it's kind of a parody account troll, but it turns into a troll. I should almost not say the name. You don't want to out them? Well, fuck it. It's all about Salon.com. It's Salon. Their Twitter

handle, I think, is Salon.com. There's Salon. That is one Twitter handle, and then there's Salon.com. I'll find out that is one Twitter handle, and then there's salon.com. I'll find out who it is. I'll follow it. Salon is the official verified one. Exactly.

It's called salon.com. It's hilarious. It's really funny. The unfortunate part of that is them using that name may be a problem in the long term. Shh. Keep it down. You're the one that announced it.

God damn it. Listen, they need more people. It's really funny. There was one about a kid. Misogynist superheroes. Why men's rights activists are wearing capes. Whoa. And they're just trolling.

It's really funny, man. Yeah, see, if it's sophisticated and well thought out, it's acceptable in my opinion. Scary. The six most popular video games that allow you to kill female players online. The last anti-Semitic slur. We need to stop using the J word

already. Oh, they're just trolling This is good I like this kind of trolling Because if you go to the fucking comments God there's a lot of people that do not think this is trolling Really? Isn't this the kind of trolling you hate also? Well no because this is obvious

But mom errands are gay The ten year old's vile rant That proves what a homophobic patriarchy we live in. I think there's a place for it. It's obvious. There's a place for it. Come on, man. Anybody fucking reading that.

Look, you don't deserve to be able to comment. This should be your test. If you really believe this, you're either not paying attention, like you're half awake, or you're too say about the cougar comment how do you feel about that how do you feel about this what if there what if there was some like reputation attached to your name like because that's essentially what's happening on youtube right right if you uh log on to a video and it happens to be somebody in your google plus circles for

example they'll rise to the top oh well that's why you shouldn't use Google+, because that's retarded. You don't have a choice for commenting now. Ten signs your cat might be racist. Ah! Look, you know, there's a bunch of different ways to look at it. I don't think there's any absolute. But I think, ultimately, the real issue is that we're just not used to this kind of freedom this freedom of communication and freedom of interaction right freedom of reaching people freedom you mean there's websites

dedicated to just like anything like you could reach people you could contact people you could comment on people you could you could start your own website, and boom, people comment on you. This kind of interaction, it's just completely, it's an adolescent thing. So when you have cases like that guy that got fired because they outed him on Reddit, he used to do a lot of creepy shit on Reddit. Remember that guy? He was in Texas, I believe he lived. Yeah, his name was like something acres.

Yeah, yeah, something. And it was a really interesting debate because obviously the guy was really creepy online. But to him, it was like a role that he was playing. To him, he got enjoyment out of this trolling and posting pictures of dead people and whatever the fuck he was doing. Yeah, I think his big one was creep shots, right?

I think so. Like up theirt type pictures. Which, surprisingly, for a long time, if you searched for Reddit, it was the top hit. Was, like, slash Creepshots. Meanwhile, I want to know who's searching Reddit for Creepshots. But here's the thing. They banked a lot of dough on that guy's work. Right?

Oh, Reddit did. Of course. If they're accumulating traffic through Google searches, right, to that particular thread, ultimately they earn money through advertising revenue like anyone else. Keeping people there is going to— Right, but they're an open forum, completely open forum. Not completely. Not completely, because they're moderated?

Is that what you mean? Huh. So you're saying that by them tolerating, if so, if could be proved that they tolerated those creep shots. He got a Reddit trophy, a statue for being one of the best moderators. Oh. And he did a lot of upskirt shots? Yeah, creep shots was, I think, the most famous thread or subreddit, sorry. Oh, no.

He ran a subreddit called creep shots? Creep shots, and there was another one. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So Reddit knew about the subreddit? Yeah. Oh. That shit's sexy. I don't care what you guys say.

But when it's done to guys, it's all kilts. All Scottish men. I mean, that's still a, you know, like Armada. Also the underage ones, though, he was also on. So under 18 only. And I think, I believe the goal was to attempt to harvest pictures from girls' Facebook accounts so you would pretend to be, you'd have one of their friends' profile pictures. You'd be somebody at their school or, I don't know, fake it.

Right. Get access and then pull down the Facebook photos and upload them so girls had no idea they were showing up on this subreddit until they found out at school the next day. God damn, that is so fucked up. And there's a grown man doing that to a little girl. And guess what the moderator's job was? To remove pictures of girls that look too old. Oh my God.

That's great. So what do you think about that? What's your thoughts about that? I have a love-hate relationship with Reddit. This idea that it's an open forum is one that everybody believes, but the vast majority of Reddit users are consumers, not producers. They're just users there to consume content. You would never know if you're actually seeing an open forum or not.

You're not managing it in any way. So they're super against self-promotion, right? And this is how I've bumped into them a number of times because i'll tweet out if somebody's talking about me on reddit i'll tweet the link right on numerous occasions tweeting that link brought the whole post down wow i just stay in my subreddit i don't go out of reddit much i think it's good for certain things like right like i use it for episode discussions of podcasts right like the subreddit and joe's subreddit listen it's good for certain things. Right. Like, I use it for episode discussions of podcasts. Right.

Or, like, the Death Squad subreddit. And Joe's subreddit is really interesting. Listen, it's still human beings. There's obviously cool people there. Like, that's not up for discussion. But these veiled moderators in the background can essentially shape your experience there. Well, there's also been issues with censorship. Remember Alexis Ohanian, when he was on the podcast podcast talked about issues of things being censored from technology forums?

Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Certain keywords. Yeah. Certain keywords would knock the post down immediately. You couldn't type in those keywords. Apple or whatever.

A strange list of keywords. Someone did a little investigation on it. They did a little study. I wonder if that's still the case. I haven't attempted to post in a long time. We actually found this out, I believe it was after Alexis was was here so we didn't get a chance to ask him about yeah yeah yeah i mean if they're making money off of the fact that their forum gets a tremendous amount of traffic and you have a subreddit that you're aware of someone must be aware of that

correct oh definitely it's not there anymore but how how crazy is that? You're censoring things like the word Apple or Samsung or whatever the technology words are. You're censoring that, but you're not censoring upskirt shots of 18-year-olds catfishing. Well, here's the thing. Upskirt shots of 18-year-old girls don't buy ads. Right? It's the free promotion they don't want. They don't want people they don't want people hacking their system in a way finding a way to get exposure through their platform without paying for

it right so you know twitter facebook's doing the same thing now if facebook promoted posts i don't know how active you guys are on facebook but uh you know your post is reaching what like five ten percent of the actual audience that signed up to see your posts. And, oh, you want to reach more? Pay us money. Right. That's inevitably where we end up on any of this shit, is that eventually they hook you, and then they find a way to monetize.

How do you feel about Bitcoin? How do you feel about electronic currency? Love it. Love it. Super cool. Fascinating, right? I think, oh, yeah. I'm not an expert, right?

But I think that money is super low-tech right now. Money sucks right now. Like this idea that there's this intermediary body that needs to sit in between you and I if we want to exchange money. Yeah. That's bizarre in today's day and age. I mean, I can send you email. That could be encrypted.

And here's how you know it's fucked. They have all the money. That's how you know the whole deal. They have all the money. That's how you know the whole deal is rigged. It's messed up. What they're providing is really not that big of a deal. Not at all. What are they storing? What are they doing? They're processing a bunch of things,

mostly in computers today. And that's what Bitcoin proved. Bitcoin proved it because Bitcoin was able to process transactions on an enormous scale. It was bigger than an independent institution. And they were able to do transactions on an enormous scale it was bigger than a than an independent institution and they were able to do it in a uh in a fashion that's completely secure and they were able to do it for free without any kind of venture capital right if they didn't like you think about the fees you paid or how big the banks go to any city the biggest skyscrapers are the big

banks right insurance companies financial institutions the biggest skyscrapers are the big banks right insurance companies financial institutions the crooks all the crooks and their big fucking castles i mean you you think about it bitcoin came out and outed all those guys in a way because it said you don't we you don't need to take all this money to achieve the transaction to achieve the end game you know so uh i mean i'm yeah i'm a big fan of alternative currencies in general i don't know if it's going to be bitcoin or something else we're probably at a super early point right now with it and it's uh it's going to be you know it's hard at any time when you're looking at something in its earliest form to see the end game to see where it ends up

but uh you know when the first like for example, when the first iPhone jumped on the scene, I'll never forget that moment. Before that, the devices before that and after that, how much they changed in an instant. And so I feel like once, when there's some big dynamic moment that Bitcoin is able to achieve or alternative currencies are able to achieve, some really cool feature where we can, I don't know, tap watches and spend money and we never have to pull anything out of our pocket. Like the Starbucks app. I'm using that shit all the time. Is it one of those things you pull and you scan? Yeah, so what it is, is like you can, you don't have to, but you put in your favorite

locations and when it senses proximity nearby, you just swipe over and there's a barcode and you're done. Or you could just shake it now. Yeah, the latest one you can shake. And it just brings up your payment. And it collects your, you know, every 10 times you get a free drink. Your loyalty program.

Yeah, and then it also gives you free music and free apps. I mean, Starbucks did their app right. Oh, the Starbucks app is fantastic. Every 10 times you get a free one? Every 10 times you get a free one. That's amazing. Yeah, that's incredible.

And it automatically uploads, so, like, you'll always have, you know. And the thing is, like, in the past, I've been so reluctant to do rewards programs like they're so bizarre you're at a department store and it's like every thousand dollars you get you earn a dollar so it's like ah fuck it i don't care yeah but this one they they they made it in such a way that it's a more convenient purchasing process so it's like i'll take the loyalty on the side yeah it's a side deal why not right that's a cool way of looking at it too that's nice that a way that it's a more convenient purchasing process. So it's like, oh, I'll take the loyalty on the side. It's a side deal. Why not? Right.

That's a cool way of looking at it, too. That's nice that they did that. That's so clever. And 10 to 1 is like a really good ratio. Like, buy 10 drinks, you get one free. That's really, really generous. Is it 10? Yeah, it's a 10.

And you get to get whatever you want. So that's when you go, I'll have seven shots, chocolate, throw in a knife. Oh, you get any drink? Yeah, it's great. Oh, that's when you go i'll have seven shots chocolate by throwing a knife you know oh you get any drink yeah it's not oh that's fascinating it's not even a commensurate drink so you could buy like five shots of espresso yeah i've done it before yep you can get a super drink yeah wow and they give you one on your birthday as well yep they give you a because of the app that just tells you that's incredible they go get a free drink so when you're at the store you hit the app and then just shake it, and then it pays for the thing? Yeah.

World's getting ridiculous. How do you feel about Google Glass? Actually, that's a good thing to talk about, because I feel like these are the interim glass, these watches. Interim. So that's going to get you to a glass. One day. Glass is nowhere near ready for mass consumption.

Yeah. Well, it's $1,500, first of all, which to some people might not seem like a huge hurdle, but it's gigantic. And second of all, it's obtrusive. Like, I just got back from San Francisco where there's, you know, glasses. There's a huge percentage of people wearing glass. Didn't someone get in trouble for driving with them on? I didn't hear that story, but I can imagine. I think they had to drop the case.

Right. But I think a guy got in trouble for driving with them on because they were saying that he was using his cell phone while he was driving. I'm sure that's happened. I know some bars have outlawed them locally. They should. Yeah. That's fucking crazy.

Well, they have those weird cameras that you can buy that look like buttons. They have those. And they also have the ones that Stanhope used. Stanhope had a uh a hidden camera show for a while and he had glasses this was a long fucking time ago a little camera in the yeah i want to say this is in the 90s might have been the 90s doug had a really funny fucking like hidden camera show and one of the things he did is he had these glasses and there was like this little center thing and you you couldn't. Oh, definitely. So that already exists.

Yep. Yeah. Well, but anyway, yeah, in the case of glass, I don't, there's this really weird experience. If you own it, you can't really wear it. If you go out wearing that, some people have no problem doing it, but it becomes the whole event. Everybody wants to ask about it or try it.

Maybe not so much anymore, but it's just not. There's something wrong with it. I don't know what. It's hard to pinpoint, right? But if I came in here wearing glass, immediately you would have a different perception of me. Yes. And I don't think we're ready to make that kind of a statement. I think it's going to have to look like your glasses.

Yeah, it'll have to be regular glasses. It'll have to be regular. It's got to be. I mean, as things get smaller and smaller, that shouldn't be prohibitive, right? No. The lenses themselves, the bars on the side of the lenses, just some sort of, like right now, it's a little oversized and you swipe it. Yeah. And I've done it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't like it. No, no, no. It felt silly to me. I don't want this thing in front of my face. Yeah, and there's my face And the prism I actually got the version But I wear sunglasses all the time

So if I went out and I had no navigation In my car I just slap these bitches on And I see everything that's coming at me I see the weather up here That would be the shit Why haven't they done this Why haven't they just created some dope ass

Oakley style sunglasses That have a fucking screen in it like a goddamn movie theater, and I'm driving around with all my information. You're done. You're all set up. Dude, your girlfriend's right over here. That's what everybody wants. She thinks you're at Target. I think what it's going to be is we're all going to have our own Google Glasses,

but it's also going to have something that broadcasts as our avatar, so we're going to feel comfortable you recording me because my face is going to have something that broadcasts as our avatar, so it's not going to... We're going to feel comfortable you recording me because my face is going to be replaced with a cat face, and my voice is going to be replaced with something else. That's just your retarded world. No one's buying into that. Get the fuck out of here. In some ways, there's a race

between Glass and other forms of augmented reality, too, like this thing I brought over here, this little piece of cardboard but ultimately isn't like glasses the most convenient to have oh yeah and more common because people have them all the time anyway oh no definitely what is this brian what do you got here this is oakley airwaves which is kind of like their version of like i don't know like a google glass where it has like its own like uh so skiing goggles yeah dude you can drive around with those that is that's what i'm talking about remember when i said that the the privacy uh uh face that's

what i was kind of talking whoa whoa hold up hold up that it has navigation yeah wait a minute back that up it has fucking navigation in your ski goggles you want to listen to this fuck yeah play that shit okay that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. That's amazing. Airwave 1.5. Technology that delivers the good straight to your brain. So what we're seeing right now

is the speed, how fast you're going, the altitude, vertical, your jump, analytics, so how high you're jumping. And it's showing as you're looking down the speed, your airtime, buddy tracking, your phone.

You can play music with this fucking thing. You're getting text messages. You're looking at your navigation screen. Look at you. You're picking your music all dog shit music jesus christ kid you got such cool technology but you're skiing you're like but you're skiing fuck man how are you interacting with all that stuff though um poorly crashing into trees sunny botoing yourself left and right look at the fucking oh it slips off different lenses

yeah you can put on sunglasses dude you can go terminator style i think i'm just gonna wear this to the mall that's what i'm saying it's just the paparazzi glasses thing that i was talking about like like it's gonna be star wars big yeah she had the really big one yeah that went over your whole face that bitch is smart with that that was a good move idea this is amazing man but if you're skierier Do you ski Brian? Yeah I love skiing I used to be in ski club Dude Ski with one of these bitches on

God damn That would be cool as fuck That's amazing Oakley Fuck yeah Oakley Oakley.com airwave If you want to watch it If you're listening to this

That's cool That's amazing What a great idea It's only a matter of time Before someone did that That's way better than Google Glass $600

That ain't bad Yeah that's not bad That's way better than Google Glass though I sometimes feel like When't bad. Yeah, that's not bad. That's way better than Google Glass, though. I sometimes feel like when I watch those promos, though, that it's not. They're bullshit. Yeah, it should be you doing it. Well, you know. I mean, that's what you do.

That's what I do, man. I take the bullshit out of it. What's been the most disappointing product that you had to do that to? Wow. Was there one product that you got? Sometimes, like, I'm trying to think right now. Sometimes. Were you like, oh, I'm trying to think right now. Sometimes it's so shit that I wouldn't even want to give it the exposure, you know?

That's smart. Yeah. Give me an example of that so we can give it some exposure. Some guy, I hate doing this, though. Some guys, it's like their dream. They got like a prototype product. Fuck them. They're shitty ideas one guy had

this was back in the day and when a lot of people were into like like little docking stands for your phones and shit like that and some guy had one like essentially like glued onto your phone like it was like this this sloppy material I regretted it immediately I was upset So that's an example So you put it on your phone? Yeah How did you clean it off?

Rubbing alcohol? That's it? So glue was the worst thing? Shitty glue What about big time stuff? Like a phone or a laptop that was dog shit? Oh wow You want to go there? I do want to go there I was upset with my Playstation 4 Like big time stuff, like a phone or a laptop that was dog shit. Oh, wow.

You want to go there? I do want to go there. I was upset with my PlayStation 4. Really? How come? Because the controllers are not very durable. I had within a few weeks, I had the rubber from the thumbsticks starting to degenerate. I posted a video.

It has almost a million views. Oh, my goodness. I tell you what I'm sick of. Behringer mixers. I found out that Behringer as a company, I've always used Behringer because I've always... No, it's just German brands. It's Chinese.

But it was created in Germany, right? I think they just use a German name. So hilarious. Brian's done his research, he always used german wait what i don't know if it's chinese i'm pretty sure it's not german but no no actually it was just the first mixer i ever got so i just went with it yeah uh but i had to i've had to replace like i've spent more on mixers in the last five years and then i researched it yeah podcast mixers i just had to replace my third one and this time i went with the yamaha just whatever but uh i found

out that there's like class like in the like, in the past, they've had, like, lawsuits and stuff where pretty much they just take a good mixer and just copy it with shitty parts. Like, they're, like, the first version of, like, when you go get a fake iPhone in China. It's the exact same shit. But, like, I went to a guitar center the other day, and they were like, yeah, we stopped carrying all of Behringer because of this. I went to a guitar center the other day, and they were like, yeah, we stopped carrying all of Behringer because of this. And I just now found out after spending so much money on Behringer and having so much shit fry out. So Yamaha's a good move, though, right?

Yamaha's pretty good. There's something with an M. I can't remember. Like Moki. Mackie. Mackie. Mackie supposedly is what everyone else loves. How many times have you burnt out?

What do we have here? What does that say? This is a Behringer in the headphones. Jesus. I've replaced three $400, $500 mixers in the last two years, three years. Damn. My headphone jack just went out yesterday. This is our second

headphone jack. Yeah, headphone jacks went out all the time. They all fucking suck. I'm sorry, Behringer. I'm not a fan anymore. These mics are the shit. I just want to say that The statements you just heard The opinions are only that of Brian Redband They do not represent the rest of this podcast You know in general though

Products have gotten a lot better They have to right You can't get away with a dud No it's just too much Too much PR now. Yeah. And total exposure. Yeah.

Like, exposure. That's one thing I fucking love. And one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on is the kind of videos that you do, and there's a lot of other folks that are doing them now. Right. They're so comprehensive. Yeah. They would have never existed on a network television show.

Like, even when you used to have the old tech tv days yeah which was excellent i love the screensavers i love that they didn't have the time to do what you're doing no and specific to that device like you don't have to worry about you know oh i have to be off the air in six minutes because that's when the commercial goes we have to go to break there's no break there's no all that stuff is dog shit that's a dumb that's silent movies. Right, right, right. If you're doing a puppet show, you might as well be showing, this is a real monster. No, it's not.

Okay? You can't use rubber claymation anymore. Yeah. It's 2014, you fuck. Yeah. And you can't keep reviewing tech items on television. So essentially what's going on is the internet has created a platform for you guys to completely change the technology review market and make

it super interactive. Right. Say if you're thinking about getting a new iPhone. You go online, go to CNET, go to your site, go to all these different sites, and you'll just hit review after review after review, informed, detailed, in-depth reviews that many times the guy will say, I've had this phone for the past five days. Yeah. Fucking with it.

Here are my thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just not going to get that anywhere else. No. No, it's the platform. The platform has enabled that to happen. Like it's enabled so many new forms of entertainment to happen. Like this, like podcasting. Like this, for example.

Nobody would have given us a show. Not a fucking chance in hell. A radio show? Yeah, I'm bringing this guy with me. We're going to. But it's not as good. He says retarded shit but it's kind of cute because of the because of the even the way you said that like in the old days old

media somebody had to give you something you know what i mean right now you go out and get it well the old days someone had to hire you for a show that's what i mean there's no way you you had there was a predetermined time slot like if you had a radio station all you have on that radio station is the times that you're broadcasting right we could simultaneously broadcast i mean we could if we wanted to brian and i got together and say you know what let's start a fucking podcast empire let's like right everybody that we can get contact online have them send us we could start hiring people before you know we could have 50 podcasts going on at the same time just dumping them out into the internet.

You don't have to have a 24 hour time period where, you know, Frosty, Heidi and Frank are from eight to 10. And then after that, it's right. Fucking Conway and Steckler. You don't have to have that anymore. No.

And it brings, it brings up a lot of deficiencies in the traditional media model that now that everything is, the dinosaurs. Yeah. Everything is essentially on demand. And it, it honestly feels strange for me

to plan my day around a live event. How about watching commercials? Don't you want to fucking throw up in your pants? Like, what are you showing me? Why is the program stopping for this horseshit? To be honest with you, commercials don't need to be as bad as they are. No, look at our formula, Joe.

Now, we might do it a little long, but what if we were advertising Coca-Cola in 30 seconds and we could do whatever the fuck we want? I would watch that. Like, oh my God, Joe's drogues. See, here's the thing. When the Super Bowl happens, everyone jumps. After I cum, I'm going to replenish my glycogen.

Corn syrup is good after you cum. I've heard I put a frog inside a can of Coke for two weeks. Is Coke bad for you? Fuck yeah, it's bad for you. So is living in a city, you fuckface. Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up, bitch. It's old school. But they don't...

The only reason why that works is because I forced that. They're constantly trying to get me to do ads in the middle of podcasts. Every new ad, that's one of the first things that comes up that's a debate. They want to interrupt the show and insert ads. I'm like, that's not an option. It's a debate it's like they want to interrupt the show and insert ads i'm like it's not that's not an option it's a super stupid crappy model doesn't work no it doesn't and it's offensive it's a holdover it's a holdover from a time that doesn't exist anymore it's like

well let's just take the platform that existed and and bolt it on to this new thing instead of developing something from the ground up that fits with this language this is a whole new language i even feel this way about individual social networks like i feel like youtube has a language facebook has a language twitter has a language instagram that sort of when you're a content producer you sort of feel like all those places are the same because you're broadcasting to all of them but ultimately more often than not those users are platform independent they have a place where they like to get at you more than one other place and that becomes their habit and so since their consumption model is unique so say you're people who people who view this

podcast on youtube versus who listen to the audio only versus who those are all independent people all with their their own mindset and trying to trying to figure out the right way of interacting with all those groups is something that big brands are trying to do now through their their their social experiments and etc so uh when when people come and talk to me brands or advertisers or whoever it might be it's like listen we need to build something from the ground up native to this platform. Don't bring me something

from somewhere else. This is not a national ad campaign. This is 850,000 very sophisticated viewers with a super high sensitivity to bullshit, right? Because they're not used to getting it here.

They're not getting any of it. They're not getting any of it. About your own life. That's right. people who are hosting podcasts will tell you the truth about their own personal fuck-ups exactly and so that's it's a it's a really unique proposition huge value huge value for a brand in some ways i feel like this whole marketplace is heavily undervalued when you compare cpm figures, from the traditional media world to this world, these people are more fucking dedicated. Well, they're loyal if they know that you're kicking them the real deal. Unbox Therapy is not going to lie.

You're not going to lie. You're deep. I'm me. Yeah, you're you. And you're also, you're deep into discovering the flaws, which is actually essential to the development process. For sure. To ensure that you still have a job and that these companies create and innovate.

It might be painful for them. They might not enjoy some of your criticisms, but it's critical. I'll give you an example right now. Please do. Live example. What live example? Samsung keeps making these shitty-ass chargers, okay? Yes.

Look at this damn thing. This is the charger for their watch This is a beautiful looking device Right That's the charger Install the charger, Joe Go for it Bitch, I'm super clever You know who also has done that in the past?

Sony used to do that shit all the time With their like Bluetooth headsets and shit Oh, you mean proprietary stuff? Yeah, yeah That's it? These are all gonna be proprietary That's what you gotta do every night before bed You're not doing that

You had a few drinks Well, that's why the new Apple watch is to be proprietary. That's what you got to do every night before bed. You're not doing that. You had a few drinks. Well, that's why the new Apple Watch is going to be... Dude, I'm coordinated as fuck. I'll do this all day. I'll be on heroin. I'll do this. I'm not saying you can't do it, but that's not a pleasurable experience. You're so funny.

That experience... So you would like it to be just like a regular USB? Because you remember what I said before about opening up an Apple laptop? That breath of fresh air that you get? Yeah. You can't measure it. It just keeps you liking and using the device. It's sort of like their keyboards and their mice. Yeah.

They're so clean and everything. It's just like I just want to look at the damn thing. You know what I mean? If a beautiful thing will always be more attractive. I forgot the damn charger for the LG G Watch. No worries. LG, on the other hand, the entire back is a magnet. All you do is just drop it. LG wins.

Better. Apple's new watch, you just lay it down on the counter. Of course. Wait a minute. You lay it down on the counter and it charges? Yep. Hold on. How's that possible? Well, a lot of... You can do this right now. You can go to Best Buy and buy these things that fit on the back of your phone.

You don't need to buy... In some phones, you don't need to buy anything. This is already Qi-enabled. Yeah, yes. Where you can just lay it down on a mat and it will charge. Oh, a mat. A specific part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. I thought you were saying it charges in the air. I was like, how's that? Apple's new watch supposedly has it where you can just lay it down on this mat. Yeah. I'll tell you my one criticism of the mats. The problem with the mat is traveling. Traveling with a goddamn mat. I'll tell you my one criticism of the mats. The problem with the mat is traveling. Traveling with a goddamn

mat. Unless it becomes as big as the iPhone and then hotels just have that mat which is probably going to happen. It's going to take a while, but Starbucks actually are starting to implement Qi-enabled surfaces. It will happen, but it's definitely not there yet. In the meantime, the little charger for this LG

is super thin and it's about the size of the watch and they they can connect if you put them together in your bag so because it has a magnet but i had the watch before this the galaxy gear okay this is the gear live the naming conventions are terrible that's one of the hardest parts of the job actually just getting the names right well it's better than like the old days of like model numbers like yeah i guess so but anyway the galaxy Gear had this wacky thing that strapped around the whole device. It was shit. It screwed up the experience for me. And I think they ruined the device.

If the UI... See, UI doesn't end here. User interface. Yeah, exactly. Or user experience. For people who are going, who the fuck is this? Or user experience in general. A lot of people assume, like, if you're a developer, you're building it for this and that's it.

No, this is UI. This is aluminum. Or UE. It's user experience. The whole experience is encompassed in the way you interact with the damn thing. Dude, you sound like a wine connoisseur. You sound like one of those dudes who's really in a certain grade. Yeah, I think I'm getting fired up right now.

I like this guy. I agree with you 100%. I think that also what we were saying before is that these criticisms and this very detailed review that you'll do about these products is super critical. Super critical for the development.

They should be hiring you. I get lots of interest. Do you get offers? Like Apple tell you to shut the fuck up. Just come over here. Oh, I'm sure Apple's not a huge fan of mine because I did some leaking of different components. Oh, how dare you? How did you do that?

You got it offline? From China, yeah. It's on the internet. It's out there. Yeah, it's a lot. It's like peeing the ocean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to deal with it.

They're probably not a big fan of mine. It's funny. At their keynote, I had leaked the iPad Air chassis, the entire body, before it came out. So I had the entire form factor, right? It was on Forbes. It was everywhere. Did they get mad at you? No, they didn't.

I never heard a word about it. But in the keynote, they addressed it. Like, the big keynote that everyone was watching, they're like, we think you guys might be familiar with this next device. Like, Tim Cook addressed it. So I was like like did you feel like a certain amount of geek power i'm on the radar oh did you feel like you did something like you made an impact no i didn't i didn't really because i feel like these things are gonna they're gonna leak out regardless there's just because the guys like you yeah it's like saying people someone's gonna murder someone regardless yeah well because because of a murderer i guess you know i guess i guess you're right about that but i i honestly in the i i'm much more interested in the demand for it

like why do people care so much that's another thing that shows about how our attachment to these devices is insane that i put out a video like that and it's like you know i don't know two million views or it's on forbes it's it was it was everywhere like it was posted all over i had the google notifications turned on for whenever it was getting i was getting a news notification every time my name was being used and it was just going off like it was on all these different sites that were embedding my video and they're doing it because investors want to make adjustments to their plans preemptively. Based on the reviews. Based on what they, so like, no, no, I mean, not the review.

I mean, like the leak. So they see the iPad Air chassis before it actually comes out and they go, hmm, are people going to like that chassis? Are people going to buy that chassis? Do you review, when there's a leak, like do you give opinions on the leak? Yeah, I compare it to the old one. Like I do physical dimensions. I pull the measuring tape out have you ever known of anyone that's given some sort of a review and it's actually changed the final product because they listened to what people were saying

about a leaked product and went wait wait wait hit the brakes this could be a disaster good question probably like on kickstart or something like that but not on big, I don't feel like they would ever let you know. You know what I mean? But I think brands are definitely paying attention to the chatter. They need to. And the market research is going deep now. You know, they invest way too much money in creating these things to take a risk that everyone's going to hate it. And a guy like you is a direct line to that because.

Yeah, I'm tapped into the pipeline. You're doing this all day long access to the vein yeah yeah this is my thing when i used to do cameras uh i used to when those little baby video cameras used to be became really popular whatever those were called remember used to have a couple of them hd ones with the sd cards yeah and uh kodak had one and i did a really bad review on cards. Kodak had one. I did a really bad review on one of Kodak's little ones. I remember exactly what you're talking about. It was because during low lighting and stuff like that, it had a bunch of fucked up problems. Noise. Yeah, Kodak contacted me, and they actually did a firmware upgrade based on just that one review. Oh, there you go.

There's an example. That's tremendous. Yeah. Look, that's a super valuable resource for a company. Definitely. Because they're not going to get that kind of objectivity from the people that work there. And there's also a hierarchy with managers

and people that work under the managers. And maybe the manager's a dick and he doesn't want to listen to Mike's advice. And Mike is kind of soft-spoken, but he's got really good ideas. There's a lot of that social shit that goes on in a giant corporation like that. Something that doesn't get talked about

is the cultural aspect. Like, the vast majority of this stuff comes from halfway across the world, right? We all know that. I don't know what I can say on this, but... Are you withholding information? No, I'm not withholding information. I'm just...

He doesn't want to burn bridges. There's a... Yeah, I'm not going to name... Just try a way to dance around it. Yeah, I'm not going to name... Just try a way to dance around it. Yeah, I'm not going to name any brands. Okay. But some... It rhymes with Ams Young.

Some are completely out of touch with the way life works over here. Okay, in America. I see. That makes sense. And it shines through in certain decision making when it comes not only to products, but to the way they market those products, to the way they communicate with press or the way they communicate with their own people. I've been in some circumstances where it's been very foreign. That makes a tremendous amount of sense.

And it seems like, of course, it seems obvious. Yeah, but everyone wants to pretend that user experience in Asia is the same thing that we're going to want here. Right. You know? Like, how many, okay, I'm going to go on a bit of an Android rant right now. Don't do it. This is a Nexus 5, okay? Beautiful phone. This is a Google product.

This is the unadulterated Android experience the way Google intended. I don't know if they would have tended to that wallpaper. No, they probably didn't. Actually, that's a good friend of mine. Please don't say anything about it. I don't even know what it is. I'm just fucking around. Oh, okay.

No, no, no. You're right. It wouldn't be stock. That's not a stock wallpaper. So they have the best developers in the world. If you're a badass developer, where are you going to work? Apple, Google, Amazon? I mean, whatever.

Somewhere in Silicon Valley, somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, you'll be all set. If you're the best developer in the world, you go into Asia? Is that your number one priority? Is that where you're going to go? If you like Asian chicks and heroin.

Are you going to Japan in September? I'll let you know. But anyway, here's the problem. The R&D that goes into that software, extensive. So much money. So many smart people. Right? What does Samsung do?

Three weeks, they overhaul the motherfucker. Come on! How are you going to take something that took that long to develop, and you're going to skin it, and you're going to change everything about it? In three weeks? Well, no no i'm exaggerating oh if you pick up a samsung device it's not the same as an lg device not the same as a motorola device it's not the same there's this fragmentation and that's the in so it's because in the tech space it's called the f word by the way fragmentation f what they call the f word it's a big deal because they decide to add their own user interface

their own shit yeah their samsung has their own thing that they do what is it called what's the samsung their ui is called touch whiz yeah what you're not touching my dick okay that's what i hear touch whiz you have you have the original right so that's the original operating system and everything do you is it night and day difference because i i've always used i guess a? Because I've always used, I guess, a skin version. Fuck all. I've always used Samsung. Fuck them all.

Fuck all that shit. This guy's hardcore, dude. He's super hardcore. He's like Antonopoulos. Remember Antonopoulos said that? He breaks everything down, roots it. Yeah, here's the thing.

It's like, I just really believe in the intelligence level of the original developers. And I can't imagine how they sleep at night knowing that most people's interpretation of Android is a Galaxy

device. They're like artists, man! They're sitting there. This is their art form. And they're sitting there putting all of this energy into simple decisions like the shape of an icon. You know what I mean? Serious design. And then someone goes and goes, I will build a better icon. It'll be a happy face.

No big deal you know it doesn't make any sense it would be like you get some beautiful painting and you send it halfway across the world to asia and tell them do what you want with it right we never do that with any other kind of art that's interesting you're so you're you're accepting it as an art form i guess you're right it's created creates it. Someone draws the whole thing up, man. Yeah. The guy behind this is Matthias Duarte. He was at Google I.O.

He's their lead designer. And it's about to get overhauled as well. The new version is called L. And it's even more beautiful, in my opinion, than this 4.4.4 that I'm working on right now. Wow. But here's another problem. I'm using 4.4.4. That's working on right now. Wow. But here's another problem. I'm using 4.4.4.

That's the latest Android OS. What's that called? It's always Candy, right? KitKat, yeah. KitKat. The next, this version, that specific iteration of this software, you will not find it on any Galaxy device right now.

Right? The updates, and this, holy, this is a big discussion because we're going to involve the carriers now. The updates, and this is a big discussion because we're going to involve the carriers now. The carriers are really to blame for enabling this process. So Android, in the beginning,

Android has had to make so many sacrifices to catch up. And one of those sacrifices is letting carriers dictate how they're going to implement these devices. Verizon, AT&T, et cetera. So you buy a phone from Verizon, there's a bunch of bullshit from Verizon. You boot it up and you see a Verizon logo, which is disgusting. Dude, in some cases, they put the logo right on the outside of the phone.

There was a Galaxy, I think the S4, had Verizon on the button on the front. Tiny little button strapped with Verizon. So those are changes that the carriers want to make because they're hoping to build their own ecosystems and capitalize more. The carriers are not in an innovative business. They're in an accounting business of finding a way to

just juice you for a few more pennies. You can do a little Ting spot right now if you want. Except for Ting. That's it. They're clever. Now when an economy moves in that direction where their objective is just to pinch more pennies, what happens to innovation? It takes a fucking nosedive.

A fucking nosedive. A fucking nosedive. It does. Because all of a sudden now, the bottom line is affected by someone, some nerd with a report in front of them saying, just get rid of that. It's made through subtraction, addition that's fascinating that's a really interesting way to look at it i

really like the idea that it's a piece of art i love that you're looking at it that way because you're absolutely correct i think of it as technology but it is something that's created anything created is art and it's certainly beautiful yeah you know i love like scrolling through i love how android like my galaxy note, like, a different thing when I'm flipping through the pages. Right, right. I love that. Like an animation or something? I love the fucking pen.

I love that they figured out how to do that. You're using the pen on a regular basis? Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm a comic, so I write notes. I knew that part. Ha, ha. I'm a big, I think there's something about physically writing things that is a different impact. And then I upload them to Evernote.

So I have the actual note itself on my iPhone as well. Definitely. That's cool. Oh, dude, Evernote is fucking fantastic. But what I really love about it is that you take like a note like this here. This is a note that I wrote on the note. Wow. Decent writing, man.

Not bad, right? And you can put it here and it comes out like yellow paper. Cool. It's really big. Can you see that? You're not going to be able to see it because of the phone itself, just the glare. But handwritten notes come off. It's so responsive.

The pen is so responsive. No, it is, definitely. I agree. And a handwritten note that you make looks really like Alex Ohanian did. He made a little Reddit alien on the note. Right, right, right. We put it up. I mean, you do things with it.

There's no doubt that the pen has far more precision than your fingertip. No doubt with it. There's no doubt that the pen has far more precision than your fingertip. No doubt about it. There's all kinds of industries that are affected by that. Comedy is one, as you said, but also artists, for example, are doing insane illustrations on the note.

Like top quality stuff. The apps that exist, like a different sketching app. What do you got there? Is it something for an app? Yeah, it's a sketching app. Yeah, this is actually an art app, and it's great because it's called Colorbox HD, and it has like every single pen you could possibly imagine.

It's like a mini Photoshop. So if you have a favorite pen that you actually like, it has the same character. So now when you draw with a pen, a stylus, what kind of stylus do you use? Do you have a specific one that you use? No, I mean, I just got this app recently because I've been trying to draw more on my iPad. I've been trying to use my iPad more. Actually, I have two iPads, and I've been trying to just carry this around instead of a laptop lately. Surface, Microsoft's version of it, you know, just released this whole thing where

you could trade in your old MacBook Air and get like $650 credit towards their new Surface, which is like their version of like this mixed with a laptop or a MacBook Air. So I've been trying to see if I could just use this more. Tony Hinchcook doesn't even have a computer. Everything that he uses is just on an iPad. That's ridiculous. I know. That is what I'm trying to see if I can get to, though. Because I love this thing. This is one of my favorite things of tech.

I just bought it. It hasn't been delivered yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I bought a mechanical keyboard. Yeah. I want to hear. You just got some major street cred in the tech world for doing that. Yes, you did. Ooh, nice.

Yeah. I would miss that. Of course you do. Yeah. It comes back to user experience in general. Well, I think about, yeah, you did. Ooh, nice. Yeah. I would miss that. Of course you do. It comes back to user experience in general. Well, I think about, yeah, user experience is very critical. I think about things that I enjoy. I drive a manual transmission most of the time. I like that.

Right. I like shifting the gears. Like, wah. Yeah. I'm a part of it. It's an enjoyable experience. It's tactile. Yeah. You feel the snicks of the gear.

Mm-hmm. I mean, I wouldn't want to do it if i was stuck in traffic all the time right but if i'm not stuck in traffic i know i'm not going to be i'll drive that car right and i think there's something to that tactile experience for sure like there's a lot of there's a lot of pushback happening now digital interfaces people miss all kind like mechanical keyboards are a perfect example it's also an issue with cars electronic steering electric steering is a new thing in sports cars really and yeah what people don't like about there's a there's actually a blowback and more people are buying older sports cars that have no steering uh no like uh power

steering right like the old porsches wow the old porsches were super light cars and they had manual steering so you turn the wheel you felt everything. You're connected to those front wheels like a go-kart. Right. And the new ones are totally electric, so it's sort of like a video game. There's no difference. Like if you have a hard turn or if you have an easy turn, there's no difference in the amount of effort that you have.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just going where you tell it to go. Same as the transmissions. I drove a GTR, which has the electronic transmission that can shift more efficiently than any human. Yeah. But it's like, what is that really about? You know, what are we really connected to? Like, is it, do we really need to go that split second faster?

Or do we get more out of it, like you said, through feeling more of it? Yes. It's hard to really pinpoint. Or do we get more out of it, like you said, through feeling more of it? Yes. It's hard to really pinpoint. If you have an old school muscle car and it's an automatic, you're missing out on half the fun of having an old school muscle car. Right, right, right. Like shifting those gears yourself. I had an automatic Barracuda and I hated it. I hated the fact that it was automatic.

It used to drive me crazy. But when they were building it, they were saying there's no way to put this engine with a manual transmission. They're just knuckleheads. Right. But I talked to a guy. I was going to have it fixed up before I wound up just selling it and getting rid of it because it was just a content nightmare. There was a negative connotation probably associated with that. Well, not because of the automatic transmission.

It was because of the bill. I had it built for a television show, and there was all this behind-the-scenes drama, not from the people that made the show, but the builders of the car itself. It's a lot of nightmare shit that I don't want to get into right right the big nightmare shit was that i don't trust those things i got it home and as i was pulling into my driveway the suspension oh right detached from the frame yes i was just on the highway 10 minutes ago going 65 70 miles an hour in that fucking death trap which would have been horrendous if that blew freaky, man. Which would have been horrendous. Yeah. If that blew out, I would have crashed into other people. I know. Who knows?

And what if I was responsible for someone else being injured or killed? I would have felt horrible just to drive this cool thing. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. I feel, I sometimes get that feeling about fast cars in general. Like, I feel like. You become great responsibility. I feel like you drive that car and you get in an accident and it's completely not your

fault and everyone goes, look at the dickhead in the fast car. You know what I mean? And they should. I feel like you drive that car and you get in an accident and it's completely not your fault. And everyone goes, look at the dickhead in the fast car. Absolutely. And they should. I guess. They should. Because it does say something about, I guess it says something about your personality. Well, it also. The auto insurers would say it does.

It also says something about your ability to control something. And the problem with buying a fast car is that they don't have any gauge whatsoever on your ability to control it no say like tanner faust who's a race car driver the guy on top i know him yep if that guy walks into a corvette dealership and buys a corvette right you can be rest assured he knows how to handle that yeah but there's a lot of people that get in those things they hit the gas they just spin into trees and slam. Yeah, I know. Sometimes I feel like it is kind of bizarre that they let people walk out of the shop with 500 horsepower. How about more? How about in a shitty chassis?

Like this new Shelby Mustang. I fucking love the Shelby Mustangs. Right. And they're not that good. They have a solid rear axle. I mean, it's a massive piece of engineering to control that solid rear axle. I mean, it's a massive piece of engineering to control that solid rear axle. But you could get one for like $50,000 and it has 660 fucking horsepower. Right, right, right.

That's insane. It is. And it's so fun to drive. Right. They're one of the most fun American cars ever created. The new Shelby Mustangs. They're not the best handling car. Of course.

They don't brake the best. Of course. The brakes are mushy. The suspension is dog shit. Right. If you get a convertible you might as well be driving

around in a fucking wet lasagna noodle. Yeah. And they're bouncing but the tactile feel that you get from those is so fun. Right.

The boom. The engine. The whine of the fucking. Right. You hit a supercharger whine. I mean.

I think sometimes efficiency is boring. Fuck yeah. Priuses suck. Yeah. Those are boring as shit not not just fuel efficiency but efficiency in general like think about coffee for example you can you could find some crazy way to precision engineer some coffee bean and and and get it into a form factor that could ship to you already made but you talk to any coffee connoisseur and it's like, they got to get the beans. They got to roast the beans.

They got to put them in the grinder. You know, part of the experience is not just the consumption of it, but everything leading up to it. Yeah. Actually, I heard you talking about addiction last night and I was thinking, and you were talking about ritual

on the podcast last night. Yes. And I really, it seems to me that, at least in my business, the ritual is the night. Yes. And I really, it seems to me that, at least in my business, the ritual is the thing. Yes. The wanting is way better than the having. It's a lot of it. I think it's better than the having.

I don't know about all that. Because you want to know what happens when you have something, is you immediately start to think about whether or not you should still have it. It has to enter your mind at some point. I think that's an attitude though i think that's a matter of focus because there are things that i have that you'll

never get rid of never feel like that that you'll never get rid of my car i i mean i might one day sell it you will one day sell it but i love it i've had it for a couple years i'm not saying you can't love products i'm just saying it's like a relationship it just changes when you when you see a really hot girl and you start to hit it off or whatever that's a certain type of magic that can't ever happen again that's true yeah you can't ever recreate that and some people go their whole lives trying to get new magic to that first high i have a friend who did that for the longest time he eventually got married and had a kid but one one of the things he said, he goes, I just want a lot of beginnings. There you go.

He goes, I don't like relationships, man. He goes, in the beginning, everybody's trying so hard. Everybody's so excited. Everybody's so friendly. And he goes, and then all of a sudden, bitches are yelling at you, showing up at your house. Overnight. He goes, I just want a bunch of beginnings where people like me. But not to pull this back and make it super nerdy, but it's the same thing here.

Right. My channel is called Unbox Therapy for a reason. That there is some kind of intangible thing that happens when you get some new thing. Yeah, I think there's definitely something to it. But there's also, people would say it's material fetishism. That you're constantly obsessing about materials. Maybe you should go for a fucking hike you should go out and look at the birds yeah see the meadows except that except that the

eventual future is everybody lying down on a couch with a vr headset interacting with a world that isn't real i think that's possible i think it's probably inevitable yep i mean scientists believe that may be going on right now yep that might be the world we actually live in. It's just so complex and so good. Totally could be. This, I wanted to talk about this cardboard over here. What is it? Getting back to VR.

This is, I could tell you weren't excited when I first picked it up because it's a piece of damn cardboard. Why can't you tell? Why assume there's something inside of it? No. There's nothing inside of it? No. For real?

Oh, let's play this game. Guess what it is, Joe Rogan. Let me hold it. Okay, but you can't open it, though. Okay. It stays this way. Yeah. You know nothing of this, I assume.

No, absolutely nothing. Okay. To me, I would assume there's like a memory card in here or a screen or something that you're protecting. Okay. That this is the shipping material. That's what I would assume. Yeah.

This is the first thing they gave us at IO before they gave us any watches. And this is the world's cheapest VR headset right here. Okay. There you go. That's what it is. Huh. So it opens up. It opens up.

There's lenses inside of it. You build it. And it is a place that the phone sits. And this is NFC enabled. Your phone sits on it. So your phone mounts inside of here. And the NFC on the back of the phone will launch an application, and that application on the screen then is going to display

through the lenses an interactivity similar to Oculus Rift, but right here with a piece of cardboard for $5. See, that's what happens, man. Someone gets cocky and they spend billions of dollars developing Oculus Rift, and someone comes along and says, not only fuck you, but fuck you with cardboard. Well, Google did say fuck you with cardboard,

but the real reason for that is because VR, it's going to be tough to sell in the long run. It's too expensive. It's too elaborate. And so developers won't get on board so this is a development material a development kit so that uh the imaginations of developers everywhere they can uh they can check out what their app might be like if they did a virtual reality version of it so for folks who are listening to this which is most

people most people download this and listen to it right what we're looking at is like say if you ever order a book on Amazon.com and it comes in a little box, it's very similar to that. Or maybe back when you used to buy CDs, you'd buy a CD on Amazon that would get delivered to you. Maybe you can still do that. They would look like that. It's a small, maybe

like 10 by 8, right? 10 by 8, probably. Yeah, something like that. Just looks like a piece of cardboard. Have you done this yet? Nope. Can we do it now? I don't know how smooth it's going to be. No, we'll talk about other shit while you do it, but let's just check it out.

Let's see how long it takes. Let's do it. Because I am completely fascinated, and I'm sure we can think of things to talk about. Hashtag cardboard. It's g.co slash cardboard, I believe is the site, if you want to know more about it. So Lewis is opening this stuff, and there's a bunch of things in there for folks who are listening. This magnet as well controls your interactivity with the device.

So you click by touching this magnet. Whoa. Okay, so what he's got here is he's unfolded the Amazon box. It looks like an Amazon box. I need scissors, guys. Oh, do we have scissors, Jamie? Oh, no, I don't. This is perforated.

Of course it is. It does show scissors, but I don't think I need to. Yeah, let's get the scissors. Let's not fuck this up. All right, all right. This is the first time. I'm sure we have scissors here. That's how we cut our butter.

So this is... Cut our butter. Oh, perfect. So he's taking this apart right now. This is exclusive, by the way. Is it? No, I don't think so. No, okay.

Let's pretend it is. Some other developers probably did it. Don't you know how this works? But it's mass media exclusive right now. So he's cutting this box open, and inside the the box or inside this folded up piece of cardboard there's lenses too um that look like those little uh instamatic things what are those things called you you press that button and those those no you know it's sort of like a polaroid but you remember those old school things we'd press it and there would like be a picture of a dinosaur and you'd

look at it view master yeah very much like view master lenses but i'm assuming they're a high quality lens it's just embedded in this plastic oh because they they look pretty slick does it look good i don't i'm not supposed to be looking that distance oh yeah well put this all together he's going through the user experience no no i'm, I'm not. I'm not. I'm just, I'm a little bit perplexed right now. To insert? I think you should have to build this.

There you go. Joe Rogan builds Google Cardboard. That's a good idea. Is there any directions? The directions are only what's on there. And a finished product picture. To assemble, insert the numbered tabs into the corresponding slots. Okay.

Four, four, three, six, two. So everything's numbered. That's interesting how they did it. Oh, you know what? In the meantime, I'm going to hop on the Wi-Fi with this device so it's ready to go. Yeah, this is not good for a podcast. No, not at all. I told you.

I'm not going to talk. I told you. We'll try it out after. Yeah, we'll try it out after. And maybe we'll try it out after and maybe we'll post a quick video here. Yeah, we could do that. We could do a quick video experimentation, but the role here is not only to say fuck you to Facebook for spending

$2 billion, but to essentially say that VR is not going to get anywhere in its current state and to give a sort of way to prototype applications without necessarily investing in a vr headset that's that's the objective of this however i mean the the games on the iphone didn't kill playstation 1 or 4 or whatever the fuck they didn't kill it but the rumor is these are the last of the consoles really yep the last for for example the 360 and the

playstation 3 lasted for a decade. Yeah, but the experience of like, I just got an Xbox One recently. You playing that UFC game? No, I haven't played it yet. I think you and I should do one versus one. It'll get a shit ton of views. Yeah, that would be fun. I would definitely do that.

I narrated it, though. It would be weird playing with my own voice. Oh, right. That's true. You did narrate it. Yeah. I forgot about that. That would be extra cool. That shit took forever. I had to narrate all the specific movements, specific combinations,

specific ways guys got knocked out. Dude, it came out well though. Oh, they know what they're doing, man. Those guys are bad motherfuckers. Because in the old days, you boot up like a basketball game or something and it's all, the cadence is off. You can tell where the different phrases are inserted yeah yours is smooth man yeah they're bad motherfuckers they know what they're doing yeah so did you go up to vancouver for that no no we did it all in calabasas actually oh really okay yeah i know they have a big studio in vancouver yeah they

have studios they rent studio space here too oh okay um warning the following glitches are very rarely occur in the game actually Actually kicks all sorts of ass. Also, this isn't actually Rogan and Goldberg silly. Oh, this is Tommy Two-Tone or Tommy Toe Holder. He does a good Joe Rogan voice. Let me hear it. Put the volume on. Is this an impersonation?

Yeah. It's using glitches from the game. This is really happening. It's pretty good. Alexander Gustafson, John Jones. And here we... It is all over. Goldie and Joe commentate UFC glitches. What technique is Hugo Santos utilizing here?

Mike, he's pretending to be a turtle that can't flip over. He's trying to confuse Frank Mir. Oh, that was you? No, it's an impression of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know. He's going to take down using only his feet, and he got it. It's an impression of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know. There's some great glitches. Look at this.

It's a mummy guard. You know, EA is not happy about this right now. Oh, you know what? I think they might have to be like this glitch, Dan. No, dude. This guy is going to get fucked up for this. Oh, my God. Look how bad the glitch is

Look how good that Cormier has landed two now. And the Iceman is back on his feet, this crowd is going crazy Joe. Ow! Referee, Yves Levine with the psychic knockout. Oh they got connected with each other. This is funny. Aldo with the big 10-8 spin takedown. He's been landing those effectively all night, Joe. Gus Dixon is so elusive, Joe.

What? The guy just flew through the air. What are they doing to make a guy do that? I want to know what they do. They're probably, yeah. I mean, it's a glitch, obviously, but what is the combination that makes the character behave like this? Gustafson, for folks just listening to this, he's flying through the air,

like spinning around and flipping and then landing on his head and flipping around. With a nice 70-foot sliding takedown. Oh, she's out, Joe. She's out and Liz Karmouche doesn't realize it. Karmouche doesn't know that Ronda Rousey's out. So she's punching at the air on the ground. Yeah, people listen to this. You're not going to get anything out of this.

So just go to EA, UFC Glitches. Tommy Toholds, he's a really funny guy. He does a lot of these videos. He's got a whole series of them, really funny stuff, most of it on UFC and MMA. Watch how it ends. I think it ends right here. Steve Levine with a big win again. Oh, he had nothing happen. It's hilarious.

It's funny. So those glitches, not good. No. People are probably very upset. They're upset that you just showed that, actually. I's funny. So those glitches, not good. No. People are probably very upset. They're upset that you just showed that, actually. I'm sorry. Tough shit. Because.

It's not going to keep people from buying it. I think it's just a patch of wave to fix that. I think that's just funny enough to people go, whoa, there's a new UFC game out? Right. You know what I mean? Right. But that's the reason that I'm not fully on board with it

is only because it kind of fucks up the relationship between independent content creators and game developers. Because what they do is... It's reality. They're going to take a hard-line stance. And then it happened with Nintendo. They fucked up...

There were guys making a career posting videos about Nintendo shit. Gone. Complete career over. Well, that's bad on Nintendo. Yeah, and Nintendo got shit for it, but it doesn't change the reality. You know why, Joe? Because they can attach all that money, all that advertising YouTube money to, that's extra income now for Nintendo to be able to put Nintendo videos up now.

Yeah. Because Nintendo owns the rights to it, so they get money off all these. There's a real discussion about whose intellectual property that is that we just watched right did we watch something from ea or did we watch something from tommy tohold tohold and he see he doesn't have a product without them right he doesn't have a product without them in this instance so they might put a block on that particular video oh i doubt they would this is why i doubt they would it's because the ufc sanctions his show they like his show. Cool.

So I'm sure he has some sort of an arrangement with them. Yeah. So I don't think it's going to be an issue. Oh, for the record, I think it's funny as hell, and I would totally watch it. All I was trying to say is that I have a lot of friends in the gaming side of YouTube, and it's a fucking disaster. Yeah. How does that work when guys guys are doing comments when they're

commentating on a match who owns that like star crash or starcraft rather those are big things right true yeah podcasts and most of the super competitive uh gaming the developers are on board with it because that's the big part of their the community their business model but generally speaking they're also involved in the events themselves and the setup and whatnot. So they have more control than an independent guy in his bedroom or whatever, his office chopping together something like that.

Right. But there are enormous YouTubers like 10 million subscribers, 20 million subscribers, whatever that their whole model is playing games, other people's intellectual intellectual property and there is no clear guideline yet on what's considered fair use and what isn't especially when you're commercializing the content well the guys who make create the video games that would be foolish to try to stop any sort of an interactive

community like that's what we all think but again you've got some gray-haired dudes sitting in an office. They actually got the job after Blockbuster went under. These motherfuckers. And, you know, that's their way of, that's the way they behave, and it's not going to change overnight. Listen, this is how Blockbuster went down. I warned them, okay? I was on the board. I told them, you've got to be careful because these DVDs are on the way. DVDs and Laserdiscs are going to ruin our market.

It's amazing. Well, pretty much everything within the next couple of years. I mean, I have a CD slot, a USB CD slot that I attach to this. Oh, externally. I watch CDs or DVDs on. Right. Never used it once. Yeah.

Never touched it. No. And it made me realize, like, remember when the floppy disk went away and everybody fucking freaked out? Like Apple said, no more floppies. Right. Everyone went, no. Yeah. I'm fucking. realize, like, remember when the floppy disk went away and everybody fucking freaked out? Like, Apple said, no more floppies. Right. And we're like, no!

Yeah. Well, that's the weird thing about technology. We were talking earlier about, oh, about how, about how these devices are becoming almost a status symbol.

Having old shit is, people are going to sneer at you. Mm-hmm. You rock an old computer or an old disk, hand somebody a CD and see what they do. They get upset. Go over to some chick's house and she's got some old-ass computer. You're going to be like, this bitch is a

brokester. Crazy-ass old-ass computer. There's a weird tech prejudice. Why don't you have an R key? You don't have an R key? You just press that button and you know where the R key used to be? Put a piece of tape over that thing.

Fold some tape up, draw the letter R on it, and stick it over that little button. Do you save old tech? Like, I just found my old dash the other day. I wasn't one that had the first dash. I have a dash. That's not...

There's a certain age at which I think it becomes cool again, kind of like cars. Like, I recently showed my four-year-old the original Sega Genesis, and we were playing Streets of like cars. Like I recently showed my four-year-old the original Sega Genesis and we were playing Streets of Rage. And he fucking dominated. At four, that's hilarious.

Because if you gave me that game at four, I'd be crying, you know? So yeah, I like to sort of go back and those origin stories in my childhood and stuff like that. I did a unboxing video of the original NES, Nintendo, 1985. Found one in mint condition in the box. people in the comments were telling me like listen this brought

tears to my eyes did you smell i swear to god but it's not because of the product right it's because of the promise if you remember being a kid and that nes being under that christmas tree at that moment if even if your dad was a fuck-up, you know, your mom was a bitch, that console... Strong words. That console, for a moment, guaranteed a certain number of hours together because people used to game together.

Like, for me and my brother, that's what it was. The thing is under the tree, you look at one another, you're like, I know what this means. It's not about the console. And this is a huge problem with gaming now is that it's all online yet the most beautiful shit happens in real life you want to fuck up the guy next to you not some dude in who knows where right that's why

land parties are so fun yeah exactly you know you high five each other after you fucking we used to do it at my in my parents house uh, upstairs. And then immediately after the multiplayer match would be over, the losing team would run up to where the winning team was and immediately start fighting, you know, whatever, goofing around, like get pissed, yell at one another, go back, do another round, et cetera. Yeah, those are fun, man. LAN parties are fun. That's so true, too, about so many games taking place online now.

So much of the experience is people not interacting with other people online. It's a very different experience than being in a room. Like, if we set up computers on this beautiful big-ass table, this would be a great place for, like, a LAN party. This would be the coolest LAN party ever. Definitely. Or Mario Kart. We should totally have a fucking Quake party here.

I haven't played Quake in forever. I bet I suck at it. You would be my ass. I was never that good. Well, I was never good, but I was good compared toake in forever. I bet I suck at it. You would be my ass. I was never that good. Well, I was never good, but I was good compared to regular people. Listen to this elitist talk over there. It's true. Good compared to regular people. Compared to regular people, I'll fuck you up.

But compared to those real Quake players, those guys always killed me. Yeah. Well, see, this is about the brands trying to own the entire experience. Right. They want to own not just your money when you buy the game, but they want to own everything you do with that game after the fact.

Well, I like that you take this psychological approach, though, because I think it's very interesting. Not just the psychological approach, it's, too, the reason why people become fanboys about particular brands, but the interactive experience. Yeah, yeah. Of two people enjoying a video game together.

Definitely. Like those fight games, those karate games, you know, like Mortal Kombat style. Oh, definitely. We do get out with each other. That's half the fun. Yep. Is that you're doing it with another person. We used to, you know, get home from school. And, I mean, you knew who was good.

The guy who was good was the guy down the street. It's like, dude beat the game. Didn't die once. There were legends. Legends were made. Now it's an anonymous face somewhere else, and everyone's bitching and complaining online. You get on Xbox Live.

It's a disaster. The thing about those games, though, is that they can make the day vanish. Oh, definitely. They are magic. You throw those games on your day, and oh, look, you that they can make the day vanish. They are magic. You throw those games on your day and, oh, look, you're starving to death and it's three in the morning.

What the fuck happened? What was it, World of Warcraft? The baby died? More than one. More than one. There was a few of them. See, those games scare the shit out of me. I won't get invested for that reason. I think what's going to happen, though, especially with all the Apple TVs and Google TVs and stuff, they're going to start taking over the game market to a point where all our phones are going to be controllers.

If you have an Apple TV, we can download Angry Birds, and we all come over to my house, and we all pull out our phones. That could happen. Put up your controller app, and we all are playing. Well, you can already send, we have Apple TV, you can already send images and video to the screen.

You can watch it up on a big screen. Watch a video. Ultimately, they can't, unless you're connected, unless you're tapped in, Oculus Rift style,

plugged in, they can't monetize what's going on here. The enjoyment we're having. They don't want that. It doesn't do fuck all for them. Like the Nintendo Wii, when it first launched,

it was all about getting together with friends. Right? It didn't even have online gaming, I believe. And you play Wii Sports and people are goofing around in front of the fucking TV

and dancing and doing whatever it was. It was too, it got to a point. And then now Nintendo has all kinds of problems because at first it was like, it was immediately appealing

and then it eventually fizzled out. It didn't have that same kind of Nobody gives a fuck about Wii. I never hear Wii. Exactly. Exactly. Put it in your bedroom.

It changes everything. Yeah. What happened? Oh, you're back to playing it? I took my Wii U. Never used it. I got the new Wii U. Yeah.

It has the nice big controller. I have it too. It has a tablet and stuff. Never touched it. Decided, fuck it. I'm going to put it in my bedroom TV and use it for Netflix. Now I can't get enough of it because it's got

a huge screen, so you're scrolling through Netflix and surfing the net. And then you watch it on the screen. Yeah, and you watch it on the screen. It's the perfect bedroom video game. So better as a controller than as a video game console. Yeah, it kind of is, but it's just great because your controller is like

having an iPad and you're searching for videos on Netflix or stuff like that that which is way better than using your remote control to find the r s you know when you're trying to find the name of a movie that is annoying as fuck that you can't just go like that yeah and put apocalypse now you know um what do you think about the microsoft version of that the xbox the, is that what it's called? Kinect, what is it called? Kinect, yeah It's like a thing

It sees your body move How is that? Not ready for prime time? Oh, it works You don't look excited It's great There was a huge controversy with it Over them having it be always on Right, so they could watch you fuck on the couch

That's your shame We seem to keep coming back to that welcome to the podcast yeah um but we're immature perfect perfect spot um so there's a big controversy at first that that that nobody wanted it and they were including it anyways then it was going to be always on and then and then it was going to be expensive and and all that shit and and the reason i think people don't want it is because like an xbox buyer you got to look at the core demographic of who's going to get an xbox the minute it comes out it's it's there's a certain sex and a certain age group etc that that stuff is popular with and they want to you know run around shooting people online essentially the vast majority or play sports

games or whatever it is and there's just only so much you can do right now in terms of a motion game. Do I want to do Dance Dance Revolution? Yes. Why don't people learn martial arts on those things? Striking martial arts? That's the Joe Rogan game. The fitness apps, Joe, are some of the

best things about the Kinect because it reads your body. And so if you're doing some kind of hard workout that they have available using Xbox Fitness, it will tell you if you're not bending your arms right. It'll be like, bend your arms, bend your arms. Then it tracks how much calories. Someone should do that with martial arts techniques.

They do. No, no, no. Not somebody with his credibility. That would be something that would be really beneficial to someone learning martial arts techniques. Because most of the striking techniques, whether it's striking with your hands or with your feet, knees, and elbows, you're learning them in the air before you ever strike things. Right. So as like a beginner sort of. Not even just as a beginner.

Like one of the most important things when I teach people kicks, specific kicks, is practicing them in the air. Because if you're constantly relying on hitting something to maintain your balance and to maintain the distribution of your weight, you'll bounce off of things. And you'll rely on those things and you don't penetrate them enough. And one of the keys to learning how to kick correctly is actually learning how to kick in the air. It's also controlling the dexterity of your legs because you're not relying on anything to stop the momentum of your shot. You have to tighten up your entire body on, on the extension of the kick or the punch. Right. And so in doing so, you actually strengthen the tendons. And if you're doing it correctly, you develop more dexterity, more dexterity when you're throwing kicks.

Like your ability, there was always a thing in demonstrations. My instructor when I was a kid, Jae-hun Kim, he would do these really impressive demonstrations where they would throw kicks at your face. Like you would stand there, and they would stop them, like right here. We would all do that in demonstrations. Right, right, right, right. Michael O'Malley, who's another one of my instructors,

who's this incredible Taekwondo black belt, multiple-time national champion, and he's a big, tall guy, and he would throw these insanely impressive kicks like half an inch from your face. Wow. Just wheel kicks where the toe just whoosh. He knew because he threw so many kicks in the air, he knew where objects were. He knew how to stop, so he developed this dexterity. So you could use that

teaching things correctly. All you would essentially need is an open area where you could extend your legs fully. That's what I was just about to say is that how many people are going to put their foot through their TV? It's going to happen. There's actually two games that I know of. One's called UFC Trainer

which is a game that just does that. It teaches you different UFC moves. But there's a new Ronda Rousey one also. Hollow. It just does that. It pretty much does that. It uses your connect, and it teaches you different moves. Kick to the balls?

Really? Ready, kick the balls. Look at this. Ready, go. And kick the balls. This is, ready, go And kick the balls This is ridiculous Can you do a cunt punt? Can you do a

Okay, I just want to identify something As you had that video up Did anybody notice the physique of the two guys playing? They were the average video game player There's your problem Have you ever seen the Magic the Gathering photo Where the dude went to a Magic the Gather gathering place and took pictures of everybody's ass cracks you know like giving a thumbs up in front of all these different ass cracks like and you know so

that's what i'm getting at though with the connect is it's like for guys that are really into that thing you don't have a problem getting out of the house anyway you know what i mean it's like it's a elitist is there yeah those goddamn people who move their bodies that's right that's right exactly so i don't know i don't know if motion gaming will ever be will ever be a big thing or if it is a big thing it's it's going to be so far down the road that it's just so immersive it's so amazing i like it more for skype i like it more for like like different applications yeah it's so cool being able to skype with like it more for like like different applications yeah it's so cool being able to skype with like i could call you on my xbox call joe rogan

and video skype with you and you're on my projector yeah that's pretty dope that's some goddamn science fiction shit right there that is pretty dope do you ever do that on the road do you ever bring a laptop on the road and hdmi to the tv and skype through the tv and yeah uh i no i was at the airport the other day and some kid was bringing his console he had a full console the whole deal yeah controllers games people do that suitcase people do that i mean to be honest i'm not that addicted i feel like this whole process of doing what i do has actually desensitized me in a way to a lot of this stuff. Like, I think I was in some ways more of a fanatic before than now.

Really? Does that make any sense? Hmm. How come? Are you jaded? Maybe. Hmm. You don't seem like it.

No, I'm not. Maybe you're just normalized. What it is is it's like so much for a lot of people like i said these devices are really important to them you get they get some new thing that's like a super highlight etc of course you're going to be psychologically impacted when companies are just sending you fucking everything how can it not it affects you get everything for free everything everything do you get to keep no not everything i shouldn't say everything do you get to keep them this this i not everything. I shouldn't say everything. Do you get to keep them? This I don't. You have to pay for your laptop.

Apple won't give you shit. Really? Ever. Well, why don't you use something that's, if you say there's all these Windows computers that are great, it's just the user experience is not as good? He loves Windows, Joe. No, I'm not paid by it. Read between the lines. No, no, no. You can think for yourselves, Joe. Interesting. Windows. No, I'm not paid by it.

Read between the lines. No, no, no. You can think for yourselves, ladies and gentlemen. You hear this clearly as I do. Let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. Pretty much the vast majority of people in my business on YouTube, I know them all personally, use Apple computers.

Yeah, it's kind of universal amongst anybody who has enough money to buy an Apple computer. The PC people are going to fucking not like you saying that. Listen, I'm sorry, folks. I tried Windows 8. It's dog shit. Yeah. Tried Windows 7. Diggity, diggity, dog shit.

There's a reason why Apple is the company they are and Microsoft is the company they are. That's the way I like to say it. We used Alienware for the podcast for a while, which makes fucking awesome computers. We used it for the podcast for a while because they were sponsoring us computers. We used it for the podcast for a while because they were sponsoring us. So they gave us some free computers. And I like that they sponsor fighters, too. So I wanted to...

They do, right? Yeah. They have... Quite a few. The guy just fought. Little guy. Mighty Mouse? Yeah, he's in it.

Demetrius Johnson? Oh, no, no, he's not. Sorry. Maybe I took it back. He's got a big sponsor, though. Oh, Xbox. Yes, he does Xbox. But a lot of guys have been sponsored.

So we really, the computers are incredible. I mean, and they are, as far as like high-end laptops, like for gaming, they're fucking monstrous. Definitely. But I didn't like the interface. The Windows notifications kept popping up. All these different, the notifications drive me fucking crazy. That shit was ridiculous. It is.

This is a clunky operating system. You guys are clunkers. It's true, man. Bill Gates is too busy chasing pussy. That's what he's doing. Yeah. He's out there doing coke. He's, uh...

Hey, you can't say that. Flying around in his private fucking spacecraft. Allegedly. Allegedly. He's tooling around the fucking harbor in his boat. Microsoft does some good things. The Xbox is a success. The Xbox is a success. The Xbox is a success.

Why if Microsoft is so goddamn popular? Why if Microsoft is so immersive? Microsoft's problem is that they're so damn popular. That's it? They had to fucking hold on to vintage retro stuff for so long. Because otherwise they would give up

a percentage of the marketplace. God forbid somebody can't type a Word document or open their excel spreadsheet from 1997 that's really what held them back i think it's a part of it i mean how did they hold them back in the user interface though because when they put out when they put out windows uh seven they put this new was it seven or eight no sorry windows eight new ui uh which they didn't really want to give a name, but it was essentially a touch-based UI. It was a huge overhaul. Right.

Where now they wanted one platform to work on tablets, laptops, desktops, et cetera. People freaked out. People were like, how am I going to do this? A, B, C, D. Because of the market penetration of the old OS, Windows 7 and XP before that, so on and so forth, the voice of the people that their old customers was louder than that of the new customers they didn't have yet. Much like the automakers and the domestic automakers, I think, had the same problem.

Your user base gets so big that you're more worried about pissing them off than you are about attracting new people. Wow. That's weird. It is weird. So they have to take those things into consideration when they innovate. They have to pull back all the time. Oh, man. But if you think about it, no one ever bought a MacBook because they were worried about Microsoft Word.

It's true. That's the key, is you bought a MacBook because it was a tool, just a platform. And essentially, like, when you deal with things like documents, spreadsheets, you know,.doc things, almost anything can open those now. It's not just Microsoft Word, right? Exactly. And that's the problem, is that the exclusivity that they had for so long is not really that important anymore. It doesn't make any sense. Once upon a time, it was.

But now, I mean, Google has everything. You can do everything in the cloud. Google Docs does everything. I haven't touched a Microsoft product in a very long time in terms of software. Which brings me to those Google laptops. How do you feel about those Chromebooks? I love them.

Do you like them? I love them. Do you? I think they're great. Do you fuck with them? I think it's the perfect, finally, price point to be able to give somebody like your mom a laptop and have her do exactly what she wants to do with no extra bullshit.

My mom just probably wants to just surf the net, maybe look at some photos, watch some Netflix, and that's all she's really probably going to do to the max. She's not going to be editing videos. And if she does, I'm sure there's an app that she can actually do it at if she wanted to. The problem is a lot of people were saying with Chromebooks is why aren't Chromebooks just Android books? Right? Yeah. Why is it?

There's an enormous ecosystem of apps available on Android. Is it because of the fact that Chrome is their browser and they're trying to make the browser more popular? Global leader. Is it? Yep. Wow. By far, too. Isn't that crazy?

They beat out Microsoft Internet Explorer? Everybody. Ask people. Ask the average person how they feel about Google in general. You know, and everyone always thinks that they're a positive brand. Yeah. Ask them how they feel about Microsoft. That's so good. It's a completely different...

Maybe there's some public relations issues. I don't know exactly what got fucked up there. But Google appears like this company that's giving us all this great shit and not asking for anything. Because what they're asking for is fucking way deeper than that. Yeah, they're asking for a connection with you. They're asking for you. They're asking for, yeah, they're immersing themselves in your world.

And to control your house. They want more than your wallet. Google, Microsoft and Apple and everybody else. Remember that song, We Want Your Soul? themselves in your world and to control your they want more than your wallet google and microsoft and apple and everybody else remember that song we want your soul we want your soul dead man your house your is it oh wait no no no no somebody else anyway cool song but essentially about that this this right immersive connection yeah do you think that microsoft fucked up because they were a part of they were essentially one of the very first like portals into this new world yeah like using windows and this world of technology but now this new world has kind of emerged from the people who grew up in the internet and they grew up with the accountability of forums of social media yeah take it as a given yeah and that this this

accountability has sort of shaped the way they do business yeah where which is what i've been saying for a long time is what gives me hope because i think the smartest most innovative most progressive people in terms of technology and innovation also are very ethical right Right. It seems to be a part of the whole package. Like, you don't hear about evil, big, new tech companies. You hear about companies like Google, companies that are trying to do things correctly. There were a couple of protests at Google I.O. Of course.

Yeah. They recently acquired Boston Dynamics. Yeah, they make robots. They make pretty fucking gnarly robots. Scary robots, bro. And so they also, some of their technology goes into some of those drones doing that activity. Well, how about artificial intelligence as well? I mean, they also have Kurzweil on board who wants to make people turn into fucking computers.

Yeah, so. They're the overlords, bro. I don't, honestly. Don't be scared. I feel like super technologically advanced people are insanely secular i don't know where their moral compass is i think they get off on control really yeah in what way well this look at google's ecosystem for example or even apples okay everywhere you go the objective of one product is to get you to buy the next one. Is it, though?

Is the objective of their products? Let's talk about Google Maps. Google is an advertising company. Right. And it's funny that I'm talking about them because, in a sense, they employ the both of us. We both post shit on YouTube. Yeah. I'm a big fan.

I have a unique insight as well because a good friend works there yeah at a very high level and my friends work there too and it's i'm not trying to say anything negative about it but no i know you're not yeah but the model is such that for us to get the most out of technology we technology has to get the most out of us yeah but isn't that just a side effect of the immersion sure i mean i don't I don't think it's necessarily... That's what I said. It's not negative or positive. Right. It just is. Yeah. But that's like what we're talking about today about your phone

preemptively knowing how far away you are from work because you're going to work. That's right. We always look at the negatives, but the positives of that are pretty strong. But let's go back to the Porsche. Or let's go back to the muscle car. That there will always be individuals that liked it better the way it was before. Yes.

But the good thing is you can have both. But you can't with phones. You can't. Some dudes do. They go back to the flip phones. Do they? We sell them on Ting. Do they really?

Yeah. They sell the beautiful fucking shitty button phone. My guess would be that that's not an expanding market. Dana White, he fucking uses one of those all the time. That's how he does all his texting. Does he appreciate you telling that to everybody? Yeah, he loves it. Really? He jokes about it. I have pictures of him holding up his phone. He can do it

at dinner. He can be at dinner and he's so good with his thumb that he can be underneath the table and he can be texting you. That's a very bizarre use case scenario. I like it. I really like it. He's a real wizard with it.

So I've had him show me. He's done it before where he'll go, okay, he'll look at his phone real quick, and then he puts it on because he gets it onto my number, and he puts it under the table, and then all of a sudden my thing, dude, I'm texting you right now. I'm like, shut the fuck up. This is crazy.

And he does it all with his thumb because his thumb is so educated as to where. So he's like three presses to get an S. That's right. He's doing all that shit. That's T9. Yeah, he's doing all that shit. That's ridiculous. That's a skill he doesn't want to give up.

He's got to stick with it. It is a skill. Yeah. I was reading this thing the other day about typing and handwriting recognition. day about uh typing and handwriting recognition and one of the things that they were talking about was shorthand is that like people forget that actually writing things yes yes greg's shorthand i think it's called i forget the it's like really old technology like from the 1800s oh wow the the implementation of it when they first started using it and like what things stand for what vowels and what things and you what vowels and what things

and you could write hundreds of words per minute in shorthand faster than you could ever fucking type wow yeah but it never took off well it did it just took off for you know people who didn't have computers oh right and once people develop typewriters and computers like there's a new pen that they have that uh i haven't i i ordered it just to see like what the fuck the technology was like oh one of those scribe pens yes this is what it does it doesn't just no what this is what it does as you're writing it takes a photograph of your notes cool it also transcribes an audio like if there's an audio recording capability so say if you were you and i were talking i was doing an interview with you.

Right. And I was asking you about all these different things and I was writing down my notes. It would take photos of the notes and it would take photos of the notes and correspond those notes to the audio recording. So if I said, ask him how big his dick is. Right. And then I would click on that and then it would go back to the conversation where you were talking about women always being in pain when you have sex.

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's why. So for like students, a student in a lecture or whatever. Perfect example. Perfect example. As long as the lecture was clear enough, you didn't take in too much extraneous noise. Yeah, they were close to the actual professor or whatever. But what a great idea.

I mean, I think I should pull up the name of it just in case. I've heard of them. I've never tried one. I'd like to. I had the old one where you just like had a little memory card and it just remembered what you wrote. Right. Yeah. Does it translate the written word into a digital form?

That's a very good question. OCD, I think it did back. I never really played with it too much, but I know a lot of things can do that now. Most scanners can do it. It's called the Livescribe Sky Wi-Fi Pen. It's really interesting, man. I'm really curious to try this thing out. I mean, I wish almost that I was a reporter.

Well, report on it when you get it, man. I have too much work. But the idea behind it is quite fascinating. And I love that. I had read something about shorthand, and that's where it... Yeah, these guys have been around for a bit. But this is obviously a new product. Yes.

Yeah. Shorthand is fucking interesting, man. It's interesting. Yeah, it is Greg Shorthand. That's what it's called. Named after the inventor who was named John Robert Greg. A system of pen stenography that gained popularity in the early 20th century. But it was created a long fucking time ago.

No kidding. Yeah. But I love the idea that this pen records an audio of us having a conversation. And then, like, I should use it for podcast notes, really. I think I might actually use it because I have stacks of these things sometimes that I go over. Like these notes that I make during shows. Shit, I feel like I'm underperforming. I think you took, like, one note so far today.

Well, it's really usually things that I wanted to talk about that I forgot. Oh. Or that I knew I was going to forget or didn't want to forget or an idea that i had while it was happening but i don't remember half of these fucking things nigerian gay marriage okay what the fuck does that mean the world's end uh herpes infected monkey in florida uh emotional needs dog some juicy stuff there yeti att Yeti, Attenborough, Colorado floods. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what half these fucking things mean. I don't know what the point was. But if I had written them down with a corresponding audio recording,

I mean, then I would really be able to click on it. Yeah, yeah, and possibly jar the memory. Yeah, that's when he was talking about this, and I wanted to bring up that. Right. Amazing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just I love that aspect of uh of new technology and apparently it works on a special type of paper as well yeah i'll find out all

about i won't do an unboxing but i'll i'll talk about it on this i think you should do it i think you should do it i'm not doing it i think you should i'll tell you about it and you could do it that's what you do i have decided to limit myself as far as how many things i do well yeah you have to if i don't I will just keep doing things And next thing you know I'll be a professional racquetball player Or something stupid Which would be pretty cool Take up a lot of time

Whatever it is that I have Whatever my disease is I know how to manage it Don't do too many things So no unboxing videos No no no I was just joking around But you want to know something Like the origin of unboxing videos Is the everyday i mean i was just joking around but you want to know something like the origin of unboxing videos is the everyday guy not in this world yes you know getting something and

giving you his reaction like in some ways you be you become sophisticated to a point where you might not be addressing the things that the everyday guy is looking to have addressed it's possible but um essentially you are the everyday guy yeah i still am the everyday guy but immersed in this world of technology in a far deeper level and isn't it the everyday guy's opportunity to listen to that watch those and then i'm on the joe rogan podcast right now yeah so you know in some ways yes you are the everyday guy but when you start talking to these brands directly things get fucking weird. Things get weird.

It affects you. Yeah, but does it? It does. It doesn't affect us. I mean, it does, but it doesn't. It does, man. Hmm. In what way?

Do you put on kid gloves for LG? No, no, no, no. No? No. I'm finding it hard to articulate, but tech news, right? Big tech sites that are out there. Right. They would have a report underneath on a review.

For example, the product they're reviewing, there's a huge banner ad right above it. Oh. Yeah, but if they are honest and always committed to being honest, I mean, isn't that goddamn essential for the company themselves? If you put out a dud, I'm sorry, but you put out a fucking dud, what you need to do is get rid of those weak-ass engineers and designers who put out that dud. If you don't, your fucking business is going to go under.

They do do that. There's a tide coming. If you've got a shitty foundation, your fucking house is going to get into the ocean. Definitely. But these tech websites have a floor full of salespeople and a floor full of reporters. Those floor full. Whoever is the problem, they need to be thrown into the water. I'm not saying anybody is the problem.

I'm saying you're not reporting on a murder. You're reporting on something that somebody is spending a lot of money to try and sell. But if it's dog shit, it's dog shit. I agree with that. But that's not so much of an issue anymore because this is getting really iterative. It's not so much an issue anymore of dog shit or not dog shit. It's we're talking about a sliver. Right.

In fact, a popular tech website that I won't name for a very long time has been running ties. They do a point analysis on devices, and they've been running ties on the flagship Android phones and the iPhone. A tie! On a point, like a decimal point analysis. How the fuck do they tie exactly? Well, do they tie exactly because they just tie exactly? No! They do not tie... So they're doing it because they don't want to piss people off, so you don't

believe them. I won't make that leap, but when I see something like that, automatically my mind starts telling me that there's something more here than meets the eye. Isn't there an issue also with putting a quantitative value on a review? Oh, most definitely. Like a five-star or a four-and-a-half star? It's so arbitrary.

They go way beyond that. I'm talking like 8.3. Right. Decimal point analysis. Well, we saw that about the UFC game. When you were watching that Connect UFC game, it was like 6.5. Right. Decimal point analysis. Well, we saw that about the UFC game when you were watching that. That's right. Connect UFC game. That's right.

It was like 6.5. Yep. In its review. That's right. Because those exist because people want to be told what to buy. They don't want to do the work. Hmm. And I'm not hating on the audience.

Everybody's busy as fuck. You know, if you can tune in and find out what the best shit is in five minutes or less, so be it. Do it. The problem is that the more you take your guard down and the more that you allow for yourself to be programmed to respond to those things, the less likely that you're going to be able to get any kind of accuracy out of it. Totally makes sense.

Yeah. I see what you're saying. It certainly opens up the door to that possibility. And so you've got all these people in the business calling themselves journalists. I've always been against it. I've always been against it. I don't think you can be a product journalist. Well, you know, that's a very interesting situation when someone's an embedded journalist,

right? What do you mean by embedded? Well, you're also in bed with the company that you're analyzing. Oh, literally, yeah, yeah, yeah. Embedded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's an issue with mixed martial arts that, like the UFC has had problems with companies

that have been critical of the UFC, and it's damaged the relationship that they have with the reporters. But if you're a real reporter and you have a real opinion, the problem is when you work for a corporation. When you're an independent like yourself, it is the responsibility of that independent to be completely objective because that's what everybody turns to you for. And as soon as we can't count on you for that,

the whole process of having an independent, it becomes irrelevant. It doesn't matter. You're not an independent. You might say you're an independent, it becomes irrelevant. Like, it doesn't matter. You're not an independent. You might say you're an independent, but you're an LG fanboy. There's no doubt that the reason channels like mine have success is because we are third parties. Because we are not in any meaningful way attached to anything, and because for the most part, we look to be like everybody else. Like, here we are.

We started a YouTube channel. Well, anybody can start a YouTube channel. Right. So the context helps to support the messaging in a way. But the problem is that the further along this path you go, the more important you become. And the treatment changes. You know, it's like if you were walking...

It's like if you're a really good-looking person. That's me, bitch. If you're Joe Rogan and you're walking around, yeah, you know what? Fuck it. Let's use Joe Rogan as an example. That's me, bitch. If you're Joe Rogan and you're walking around. Yeah. You know what? Fuck it. Let's use Joe Rogan as an example. Let's use Brian Redband.

Too late. Too late. Sexy face. If you're walking around, you get a certain kind of treatment. And that treatment that you get develops character. You can't help it. It's like hot women. Hot women.

Hot women grow. They have a certain amount of worth that they attach to themselves because they, they go they're treated like you can't hate them for it that's the world we're a product of the environment right and i can't pretend that i am not a product of the environment that i have to exist within well i just have very specific like rules that i when i when i engage in in in my environments where i have privileges, I have very specific rules. Okay, let's hear about it. Like martial arts is a big one. It's a huge one.

All right. Because the UFC that I work for is the biggest, greatest mixed martial arts organization ever. However, along the way, during the time that I've been employed with them over the past 12 years, there have been instances where I've actively promoted fighters that were in other organizations. Really? Because I like them. Because I like them, because I think they're really good, and because I have to be honest. But they didn't pay you anything. Not a fucking penny. Right, okay. Because I have to be honest.

Like, when Fedor Emelianenko was in Pride, and he was one of the best heavyweights in the world, I constantly would talk about him on broadcasts. Yeah. To the point where, like, some people didn't like it, and some people thought it was, like, not smart people thought it was not smart, but it is smart. You know why it's smart? Because I have to be honest.

If there's some guy out there that's murdering motherfuckers in some other organization, and I pretend that the guys we have are the only guys that I want to see fight, then that's ridiculous, that I'm a ridiculous person, and I don't deserve that position. I completely agree with you. So in that same vein, isn't it the case with tech reporting? Like, yes, you do get a very privileged position. LG's sending you their sexy new watch

and you're getting all these... Let me explain. Let me give you an example of this. This phone, the most popular single device on the planet... You paid for it. Yes. Yeah. But this phone But this phone specifically

is probably the best way to do an analysis of the entire market because of how popular it is and because of how important it is as a piece of news. iPhone. iPhone 5S with that little thumbprint thingy that you can use

your dick for as well. Did you know that? Yes, I did. I bet you did. And you could spoof it and you could spoof it with a little bit of wax. Sp you can use your dick for as well. Did you know that? Yes, I did. I bet you did. And you could spoof it, and you could spoof it with a little bit of wax. Spoof it? Yeah, hack it. How dare you? You could also chop off somebody's finger

and use an 8-volt battery. Or you could do that, yeah. 8-volt battery. I think if you catch a person sleeping and dip their finger in hot wax, that would do the job, too. Yeah, you don't have to chop it. You're getting all violent over there.

If you're on the go. Take it to a terrible level. If you're on the go. It's taken to a terrible level. This device. If you're on the go. This device moves the needle. The reason, Apple doesn't spend as much money on marketing as Samsung because they don't have to. This phone comes out, it's on the cover of the New York Times. Hands down.

Done. Why is that? Well. It's the best. There's a couple of reasons though. It's the best. It's actually not that easy. When they are about to launch a new device, they give this out to people.

Right. They send it to people. Apple does send stuff to people. Right. Not to me, but to people. How come not to you? Oh, God knows. Who gets them?

It's out to those fuckers. Traditional media people. Ew. Like fucking Business Week, that kind of shit. Exactly. Wall Street Journal. Bingo. Some fucking crook over there. You got it. Lining his pockets with funny money. Let me tell you how it works. like fucking business week that kind of shit exactly wall street journal bingo some fucking

crook over there you got it lining his pockets with funny money let me tell you how it works you oh i just noticed that was shot in toronto that jimmy hendrix picture oh yeah man that's cool got arrested for heroin down down down um okay so a very selective group of people gets this device then they maintain something uh beside it called the blacklist. And a blacklist is people who are never going to get the device. For one reason or another, there are many ways to get on that list. Are you blacklisted? No, there's no public record of the blacklist.

But it's just a blacklist. Everyone in the business knows that it exists. I want to do a fucking documentary on this, by the way. Nobody would watch it except you and your fucking crazy friends that review no because apple apple is a giant like apple affects our lives in ways everyone's life in a way that might not be art i might not be articulating but um so how does that process work how do they decide who gets that device well you would assume that the people with the biggest audiences maybe would get it or maybe just send it to anybody who wants to talk about it. You would think all the exposure would be good.

Right. Well, why is it that when this device launched, like 15 motherfuckers got it? Worldwide! Like a super limited number, an inner circle of reporters. Because they can count on those people to only give glowing reviews.

And if those people, working for whoever, decide that they're going to write something different, guess where they can find their new home? The blacklist. The motherfucking blacklist. Yeah, but that's their fault. Whose fault? Their fault. Really? Because the reason that newspapers' doors are open is because of the fucking device. The coverage sells the ads. The reason why newspapers' doors is open is because they haven't fucking burned to the ground yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great fires of the fucking device. The coverage sells the ads. The reason why newspapers' doors is open

is because they haven't fucking burned to the ground yet with the great fires of the internet. But truthfully, it's not just the newspapers. There's big tech sites that get them as well. I'm sure. Yeah. So there is a group that gets it, but the problem is you have this fear,

this inherent fear, that if you don't do what the controlling party says to do, you don't get that access to the device anymore. And unfortunately, it's the access to the device that drives the traffic. Because if you get this review up a week before anyone else, guess what happens to everybody else's reviews? What happens? The value of them dips because the majority of the purchasing and purchasing decisions are made based on the very initial reviews. But how much value is there in a high-traffic site these days?

Oh! Ridiculous. Big. Massive value. It's huge. Fucking huge. So a site like Aris Technica, is that a high-traffic one? Yeah, that's a big one.

The Verge is big. The Verge is big. So a guy who writes for one of those is going to get access. Let me say this like this. If you're a reporter working at The Verge and you get the task of doing the new iPhone, and listen, I am not fucking attacking The Verge. The iPhone is a great phone, arguably the best phone on the market, and nobody really comes out and says shit that's untrue about it.

I'm just talking about a potential that exists that steers in a direction outside way outside the world of journalism that doesn't happen when somebody is murdered or you're investigating a crime or you're whatever it is that investigative journalism is when the story is something that somebody else controls and dishes to only certain parties there's behavioral patterns that exist because of that relationship of course and there's also behavioral patterns that exist in it being financially beneficial for you to support certain companies that's what i'm saying and this is also the psychological aspect of knowing that you're on this elite list of 15 journalists that are going to receive a new phone that's right you'll like look at you i can't write that like do you

think guys write like really scathing reviews and then park them aside and go, ha ha, that was just for fun. Now, let's suck some dick. Definitely.

There's guys that have written stories after the fact, after they've been blacklisted, about explaining what happened and not getting

the device anymore. And the problem is, The Verge, for example, has record page views the days these devices launch. Record page views. I'm sure.

So they have to. They have to have it early. They have to. They can't. Literally, people are employed. On that paycheck, you're seeing a percentage that came from that fucking report, from having access to that product. But if you get one, how much difference would it make if you get one the day it comes out?

Like, when everybody else gets them? Which is what I do. Which is wait in line like a fucking idiot. Look at you, you're old school.

You're retro. I have to, but for this stuff, the other stuff I get, you know, I get early now and the other brands do it. They're like,

fuck it, let's get this shit out there, you know? Apple, fuck no. Their PR team is, like, I'm definitely blacklisted after this podcast.

So are you, actually. This podcast? Yeah. Why? We're both using Apple products. We're both iPhones. We both have... It doesn't matter

because I've even brought up the notion. The notion is enough. That's it. A lot of Apple engineers write me all the time. They love listening to this show. I think we have, like,

this weird cheat code. Shut the fuck up. Dude, yeah, we have a lot of Apple people. I just fucked it all up for everybody. Sorry. Don't worry about it. I love the time. They love listening to this show. I think we have this weird cheat code. Shut the fuck up. I just fucked it all up for everybody. I love the shit. I love the stuff they're making. All the rest of it. I'm just talking about people prancing around calling themselves journalists when that's not the reality.

It's not an open access story. It's not like some shit went down in some foreign country and you and another guy both have the same opportunity to go there and investigate it this is way different right i see what you're saying i absolutely see what you're saying and when there's such a large financial benefit to having early access especially when you look at page views and things along those lines i mean when an iphone comes out you have essentially like 24 to 48 hours where people are really freaking out that's right right. And during that

time, you can accumulate millions and millions of hits, right? Oh, it's tricky shit, man. But if everybody did it ethically, well, you see, with iPhones, iPhone may be a bad example because it's such a stellar product, and it's really in a uniquely

controlled situation, which is what we were talking about earlier, which is their whole argument. Like, look what we've done. Like, the reason why we have this controlled environment is that we put together the hardware, we put together the operating system, we make everything compatible. Right.

There's nothing that fucks up. Right. But why are they sending out 15 units if they know their shit is badass? Because they're tired of your bullshit, bro. Tired of your fucking snarky comments. Yeah, they are. Because they, deep down, they are fucking masterminds at controlling public relations.

Yeah. Masterminds. Is the climate any different with Tim Cook as opposed to Steve Jobs? Fanboy alert. I know who's the CEO of Apple. That's pretty good. I don't know that i can accurately answer that i don't i think people always say that's that under steve's influence they had product guidelines forecasts for way and way after his death so i think they're probably

still executing on stuff that he had in the pipeline. What a fucking maniac that guy was. Definitely. I know there was an article that some billionaire investor guy dumped all his Apple stock after he read the biography because he said Steve Jobs is an asshole. Oh, probably. That's why he dumped it. I should pull that up because it's a fascinating story. I think it's pretty hard to manage a company of that stature and not be an asshole.

Also, you've got to think about what is an average person's life an average person's life is you have a job but you also have like a fucking family and a lot of other shit you do yeah your job is not your whole life no to steve jobs apple was his whole fucking life and his personal life suffered because of it yeah i'm sure well that's probably had something to do with his health as well. Probably. Investor dumps Apple stock. I need to get one of these Nexus phones now. Now I can't stop thinking that I may never have ever used the actual fucking operating system. Dude, you can find clips of the even newer one.

They're calling it L. Right. I saw the – Dude, it looks so beautiful. Just the way they're looking at design and working with dimensions up and down now is the nexus uh is that five this is five yeah is the nexus five the only one that does that or does somebody like sony or somebody running 4.4.4 now is just the nexus will always get updates first right it doesn't have to come through the

carrier this is an unlocked device completely open right. Right. This guy's name was Julian Robertson. He's number 503 on Forbes billionaire list. And CNN reported Monday, this is a while ago, this is way back in 2013 in October, right after the book came out, that the guy, this hedge fund investor, sold all of his shares in Apple because he's read the biography of Steve Jobs

and decided that Apple, the founder of Apple, was a really awful person. He admits that his stock did very well for him, but he would rather let someone else make the money from now on, said the CNN investment show Closing Bell. See, even that, I'm all skeptical of that whole thing.

Yeah, me too. That's crazy, though. He's saying it caused a crisis of consciousness. Yeah. Wow. A guy that's worth billions saying anything? It says, I came to the conclusion that it was unlikely that a man as really awful as I think Steve Jobs was could possibly create a great company for the long term.

I just don't believe that bad guys do well in the long run. Who fucking wrote that book, though? Walter Isaacson. How well does he know Steve Jobs? I mean, obviously you can decide to paint a... You don't know your best friend all the time. You know him when you're hanging around with him. There's a lot of times when people are alone like to paint a portrait of steve jobs without a steeply intimate

relationship with him i think you know you could go all sorts of ways you could go the way of these 15 companies that get their apple phones in advance and paint this really glowing glamorous picture or you could just paint some picture that you think is going to sell a lot of fucking books, some scathing, awful depiction of, it's like, you ever watch a historical depiction, like a historical documentary, like Lincoln, you ever see the show? No. The problem is, you know those people didn't really say that. Oh, right, right.

You know, you know they didn't say that in that author. The story reenacted or whatever. So when you have like a book on Steve Jobs' life, you have some vague facts that you don't maybe know the entire circumstances, the context of the conversations. Of course not. It's like you're flavoring things. You have facts.

You can't help it. And then you're throwing those facts in and pouring your own colors on them and your own shapes to paint your own picture. I sort of wonder, though, getting back to the asshole comment, like in the movies and stuff as well, he'll come in and fire somebody in front of everyone else. Oh, wait a minute.

This guy's an idiot because listen to the rest of his quote. In an interesting twist of logic, Robertson also said that if Steve Jobs was still alive, he'd still be an Apple investor. Oh. And then he said after watching the Ashton Kutcher movie, he thought Steve Jobs was sexy and got all the stuff. Oh, you didn't say that.

It's not even Steve Jobs. It's Ashton Kutcher. There's no question in that. He's the man who killed three and a half men. What does that tell you about billionaires? They're all fucking crazy. If I was a billionaire, I wouldn't do any interviews. I'd just be out balling.

I'd just be flying around in fucking spaceships And throwing champagne at people Why would you even do interviews Like I sold my Apple stock Fuck you I'm 90 and I'm worth a fucking hundred billion dollars The only objective there is to influence the market That's it

That's what he's doing Yeah same as that ICANN guy When you're that big and you hold that much stock Your behavior affects so many things He might be hedging Well we don you hold that much stock, your behavior affects so many things. He might be hedging. Well, we don't know how much stock he had. No. We know he sold his stock, but we don't know how heavy.

We know if he's a billionaire, he probably, he could afford to influence the market. Huh. This is interesting. I don't know, man. Who knows? No, nobody knows, but I find the stock market to be a bizarre place

because you're talking about the evaluation of a company, and it's impacted by... Confidence. That's a fucking scheme. It's a ridiculous scheme. It's one of the weirdest methods of controlling an economy ever. It's bizarre. The idea that it's actually what we rely on.

Yep. Confidence games. Those things, the stock, those fucking movies of Wall Street idea that it's that's it's actually what we rely on yep that confidence games that like those things the stock those fucking those movies of wall street where people are on the floor like that's the underlying system that keeps the foundation on your table and your mortgage pay the roof over your head goofy antics shit is so so crazy. And that's some archaic shit that maybe worked out with something like Bitcoin.

That like when digital currency starts taking over, we have a sort of a different idea of a monetized value because of digital currency. That could be something that eventually gets reworked as well. For sure.

I mean, you have to worry about the financial companies getting a hold of it. Of course. And making it their own. Well, do you think that in that sense, that that's one of the reasons why transparency is a good idea? Because people who do have ulterior motives and obvious bad intentions, financial intentions, and bad social consequences. Transparency to what degree? Well, that's a good question. intentions and bad social consequences transparency transparency to like to what degree well trans

that's a good question because i think because you get you were mentioning earlier that you're transparent i'm saying i'm transparent but again i don't necessarily share everything about you know i don't know there's a level of transparency that makes sense and then at some point it gets weird right like if a financial if a finance guy had to if we were able to grasp the amount of money these fucking guys are making by trading one inanimate thing for another inanimate thing, I don't think society would be very happy about it. That's a good point. Yeah. Like it's essentially a gambling ring. Like so many of these hedge funds now, it's not even about investing in a company you believe in.

It's in making a play. these hedge funds now, it's not even about investing in a company you believe in. It's in making a play. Well, that's one of the reasons why the Bernie Madoff situation was so confusing. Because it was like, oh, my God, like this guy, he was involved in, you know, people that were incredibly rich. Yep. And he was moving their money and he was doing it in full view of the world. It wasn't like, he had a huge business.

Yeah. A whole floor, yeah i mean you watch them move money around and all these billionaires and millionaires were investing with him and he did it in front of everybody that's right that that exposes the entire system what about the crash yeah what about the bailout yeah what about the bailout yeah i mean that was in front of all of us it's all all so crazy. It's all so crazy. And I think that like the news, like the evening news, like a lot of things, we're dealing with dinosaurs. We're dealing with like these forgotten relics or not forgotten, but current relics of an

age where they're not relevant anymore. It's just the ideas behind them that make them aren't relevant. No. And they've also been compromised to a point where they're so relevant anymore. It's just the ideas behind them that make them aren't relevant. And they've also been compromised to a point where they're so unstable when it comes to things like the stock market. When you look at derivatives and I try to, Peter Schiff tried to explain

derivatives to me and you know, how people bet on things failing and how much money there is in that aspect of the economy. It's so bewildering that anybody ever let that happen. And it's not about what makes sense. It's about what you can convince people.

That's the problem. It's much like a betting line on a fight, a UFC fight. It's not necessarily about... I was listening to one of your fight broadcasts there where you were saying you had a great record picking winners. Yeah. But you will never great record picking winners. Yeah. But you will never say it or something like that. Well, I never give predictions.

You don't want to give predictions, but I would imagine, being who you are, that you could fairly accurately predict winners, right? Over and over again. Pretty accurate, but not 100%. There's certain fights, like, here's a perfect example. Name one that you got surprised. Oh, I get surprised all the time. Oh, okay. Chris Weidman, Anderson Silva surprised

me. I thought Weidman was going to give him some troubles, but I never thought he would win by knockout in the first round or the second round like that. No, that fight surprised everybody. There was no way, but I guess you don't necessarily need to be perfect in order to make a lot of money. TJ Dillashaw, Hennon Burrow. There's another one.

Hennon Burrow, one of the best fighters on the planet. TJ Dillashaw dominates him for five rounds and then's another one. Hennon Burrow, one of the best fighters on the planet. T.J. Dillashaw dominates him for five rounds and then head kicks him. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. So yeah, it's not a science. But that being said, I think you could knock it out of the park a good enough percentage of the time to make a killing. Oh yeah,

man. If I wanted to bet money on fights every week. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I could make some cash. So the line that they draw is based on what they'm saying. Oh, I can make some cash. The line that they draw is based on what they can sell. It's relative to the betting that's already occurring. That's why the line moves, right?

It's no different in the stock market. If you can convince people that a stock is valuable, guess what? It's valuable. Do you think it's unethical if I bet on fights? I can't affect the outcome. If I bet on fights myself, if I decided to do commentary on a fight... I don't think so.

Really? I don't think so. This is breaking news right now. Joe Rogan. I don't... I mean, I'm not a player. No, no, I agree. If I was a player or a coach,

then I would think that betting on fights could be very problematic. You have contact with the fighters. Is that insider trading? What is that? I don't know. I would do it. You should have your own show on YouTube.

Like who was that guy that got ousted? He used to be the betting machine in football. Jimmy the Greek? Jimmy the Greek. Yeah, but that was because he was racist, but he wasn't even racist. He was just kind of being accurate about how they used to breed slaves.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the way he said it. Right, exactly. It was just so fucking brutal. Exactly. But he had a segment on national TV about betting. That's crazy. Like, people care.

Yes. You know how many people would watch a show of you giving your picks on an upcoming event? It's too mean. It's too rude. How is it rude? It's rude. I've been rude before. Pull up Kimbo Slice versus Seth Pertuzelli.

We were in the... Is this... Here's a perfect example of it. We were backstage in Atlanta. I was working at the Punchline in Atlanta. And while we were there, it was when Elite XC was on TV. And Ken Shamrock was supposed to fight Kimbo Slice. But Ken Shamrock got cut backstage while he was warming up.

And the doctors wouldn't let him fight. So because it was going to be on TV, Seth Petruzzelli, who was on earlier on in the card, already been approved by Athletic Commission, already made weight, decided to fight Kimbo in the main event. He had already fought that night? No. Oh, okay.

He was approved to fight that night. Oh, I see. Because it all happened that day. I see, I see. So they rearranged the card the day of the fight. They paid the other guy money. Got it. And they got Kimbo to fight Seth Petruzzelli.

Got it. And so we're backstage, and I found out about it literally as it was going on. I was like, oh, my God, Seth Petruzzelli is going to fuck him up. And then the fight happens, and it literally lasts six seconds. Seth Petruzzelli knocks him out. And I was like, see? I told you. Here it is.

He could play it. Against Seth Petruzzelli. But is this the fight, or is this me watching the fight? This is not me watching the fight. Pull out the video of me predicting it. Because I predicted predicted and we were watching it backstage as it was happening on the screen but it was very mean because i was like seth petruzzelli is gonna fuck him up but i like kimbo he's a nice guy so i felt bad after i said it even though i was correct weird thing about fighting that when it's over you're on the ground and bloody. Seth Pizzoli is fighting Kimbo Slice.

This is a last minute replacement. I gotta think Seth Pizzoli's gonna fuck him up. If I'm wrong, you'll never see this. So it doesn't matter. So we're sitting here backstage. What's wrong with it? I'm not fucking, by the way. I just think Seth Pizzoli is fucking Kimbo Slice.

That's why they do this. Watch how fast this is, though. Uh-oh. Yeah, I saw this. Oh, my God. You're fucking right. Oh, yeah. Oh, what I said.

What I said. Seth Pettiselli is the bad motherfucker. I felt bad about that. I mean, I probably shouldn't. Damn, how high do I look in that picture, by the way? That, too. Are you kidding me? That beard, bro.

That's your sexy beard, but I look very intoxicated. Well, you were motivated at the time. I think with a little more composure. Well, not only was I motivated, it was in the moment. Yeah, I know. You're excited about it. I got off stage. They hadn't fought yet.

And I was like, oh, shit. So I literally had just gotten off stage. Right. And boom, you were in the dressing room. And oh, they haven't fought yet. And what? like, oh, shit. So I literally had just gotten off stage. Right. And boom, you were in the dressing room. And oh, they haven't fought yet. And what? Seth Petruzzelli's going to fight? Right.

And then we made the video. Yeah. See, with a little, like, with more preparation, you could phrase it in a way that isn't insulting, I think. Well, my partner at Onnit, Aubrey, is an active bettor under my advice. I heard him betting on one of the fight broadcasts. Very strong average. Like well into the 80%.

At one point in time, we were at 90%. We've gone full cards where we were 100% correct. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, he fucking... Dude, it's paid, son. Let me tell you, if you're 90%, you need to be spending some money. No, because I would get addicted.

The problem is, one of the reasons why I don't gamble on it, is not that I worry it would affect my commentary, because I absolutely would not let it. I've been accused of being biased before, but if I am biased, it's because I enjoy certain styles. It's certainly not biased

because I want one person to win. I just think I like when people fight effectively and intelligently. Right. I like that. I like when people are exciting. I have very specific things that I like about the sport of fighting. And one of them is I enjoy technique and someone who's a real technician, a craftsman,

someone who really immerses himself. It doesn't mean they're going to win. Like sometimes a fighter was just stronger, faster, just club someone. I mean, there's fighters, fights have been lost where the other guy was clearly the better fighter, but he still lost. A perfect example is Ernesto Hoost fought Bob Sapp. It's a weird example because it was in K-1.

Bob Sapp's the huge guy, right? Exactly. And Ernesto Hoost is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time, but Bob Sapp has beat him twice. Whoa. And it doesn't make any sense. It was only because Bob Sapp was 375 pounds of fucking solid steroids. Yeah.

And just running at him. Right. And just Donkey Konging. I mean, if you watch the fight, you see Ernesto Hoost, who's this masterful technician. Mm-hmm. But he just can't deal. Pull up some of the video of it, because it's three minutes. We got three minutes?

All right. Probably shouldn't pull the video up then. Three minutes left? Yeah. Yeah. Shut up. We did three hours, man. Three hours. It's over. That We got three minutes? All right. Probably shouldn't pull the video up then. Three minutes left? Yeah. Yeah. Shut up. We did three hours, man. Three hours.

It's over. That's it? Yep. Look, it's three hours and ten minutes. Dear God. Now I know why everyone says that at the end. Flies! What the hell, man?

It flies. Did we even talk about technology? We did. We did. Okay. We talked a lot about technology. All right. Good.

We could definitely do this again, though. When are you going to be in town again? I don't know right now. Come on, son. Come up with a schedule. I should know. I could make All right, good. We could definitely do this again, though. When are you going to be in town again? I don't know right now. Come on, son. Come up with a schedule. I should know. I could make a reason, probably. I've been here a lot this month.

A lot of fun talking to you, though, man. Really enjoyed this. Thanks for having me. We'll definitely do this again. For sure. Follow him online, Unbox Therapy, youtube.com forward slash unboxtherapy. He's got a channel. Yep.

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