The Joe Rogan Experience - #517 - Crash, from Float Lab (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 30, 2014

Float Lab Technologies specializes in designing and manufacturing high-quality Floatation Chambers. A Float Lab floatation chamber provides a light- and sound-free environment.

Hi. business longer than I've known you. When did you get started making these fucking things? About 15 years, 99. What brought you into that? Well, I think it was with me I was ready to change. I used to have nightclubs and I was into the music industry and I had narcotics. I was into

drugs and stuff. I liked to do that for, you know, but the time was in the 80s and stuff and there's a music industry. We used to have nightclubs. I like to do that for you know but visit the time was in you know in the 80s and stuff and there's a music industry we still have nightclubs I said do management and then I want to do an audio later on back in the 70s where the Stevie Ray Vaughan stuff like that blues clubs in DC and then we went on like in the 80s and had like a you know culture club the rhythm mix and I work with Count Bass and then later on I'm gonna do the audio at Caesars and I work in the showroom in there and I were the Count Bass and then later on I went into the audio at Caesars and I worked in the showroom in there

and I worked with Liberace and on and on in a different whatever you know shows from then I

we used to tour you know a little bit and then these gigs and then got a band going there and

we used to open up for one of the bands I was touring with and then we so I got interested in like oh now we're gonna make some be in this make doing music on there and we used to open up for one of the bands I was touring with and then we'd go to Gray's. So I got interested in like, oh, now we're going to be in this, doing music and got these studios and had 60 of those in Hollywood. And then finally I was done.

You know, I had enough of these people. I was strung out on heroin and you know, I used to do that. So I've had enough. I'm functional though. I'm not a stealer. I don had enough. I'm functional, though. I'm not a stealer. I don't steal. I'm a functioning guy back then, and I don't steal, and I work, and I do jobs. But I used to like to really get high.

I was part of what we did. Right. So I was finally done with that, and I kicked the dope and whatever and went on out there to Vegas from Hollywood. Left my buildings. I built a recording studio. I got a ranch out there 10 miles south of town. Built a studio in there. I had my guys come out.

We were going to do some recording out there at this ranch I got there. And I'm in the back there. I just built it. I have my head now. There was like an old water thing from what the horses were getting water from or whatever it was. I had my head in there and I was working on my voice. And when I pulled my head out, all a sudden i i know i'm supposed to build these deprivation chambers i don't even know what is a deprivation chamber and it hit so you had you

had like this idea jamie can you take this down off just go with the screen so we could just see those those photos that run before i get distracted sometimes yeah yeah yeah yeah um so you just out of nowhere had this idea it wasn't even an idea it wasn't an idea because i didn't even know what it was so it just hit you and it wasn't like a voice a light or nothing it was just all of a sudden i had my head in that thing i was like and when i pulled my head out i knew i'm supposed to build deprivation chambers and get other people to do it i don't know what is a deprivation chamber or nothing i just built a recording studio i got no interest i'm already doing what i want to do i don't need a change of life or i've quit doing what it was that was holding me up you know so i was on my path already but it hit me so hard and at that moment i was relieved of all my previous

uh you know like i had a you know you think back it's oh i used to have this i used to have that i'd build empires and then collapse them over the years you know i'd right worked worked really hard and then because of too much fun wrecked it every every time, you know, so I'd been through it. And at that point in my life, I was thinking, bummer, you know, I kept thinking about now I'm starting over again and whatever. And at the moment when I pulled my head out of there, this no longer affected me at all. None of my past was.

So you lean into this thing that they use to hold water hold water for animals horses probably and you looking in there and you pull your head out and all of a sudden you have this mandate you have to build sensory deprivation tanks exactly so you essentially got a message from god i don't believe in god listen pal he was talking to you if it wasn't god who was it was i don't believe in anything i don't know what it was i'm confused it does It does indicate, though, some sort of superior intellect. Well, think about the chain of events that happened, though. You create that thing. You improve upon the existing dynamic, the existing design, rather, in a substantial way.

You become obsessed with it. You and I get hooked up. We make videos about it. We start putting it out you're doing a podcast now more people are finding out about it more people are opening these centers i get every time i go to a town like it seems there if it's town that has a sensory deprivation tank i get these offers to come stop by and check them out and people say hey we started doing it because we heard about it on the podcast it's a great way to make a living we love floating we love the

benefits of it. We just want to thank you so much. That happens all the time. You're in the movie, man. You're in the movie. What happened happened. And what's going to happen is yet to be because what's coming up still is much larger

than what's happened so far. With tanks? With these chambers, right. You think they're going to be everywhere? I don't think so. I'm pretty well sure of it at this point because I have a realistic vision of the situation. And I'm convinced at this point that indeed it is going to work. And I don't know how it all is going to turn out, of course, but I think that we're having a chance now.

And that's why this situation is so important to me this this disinfection and this electrical and all these these features that have to do with health and safety so this can become a safe healthy and uh a uh just like restaurants just like anything else that involves cleanliness this is very important it's a public service and then for you what's important is that it protects the benefits of this service where all of the negative aspects of it are eliminated with foresight. Correct. You're thinking about it in advance.

And I think that's super important. And I really commend you on that. And you also have these really fascinating ideas about how to go about that. I mean, your systems, the cleanliness and all the ozone, the filters and the sensitivity of the filters, it's all incredible stuff, incredibly detailed stuff. Yeah.

We've spent a lot of time keeping getting better. We're just now finishing up with a whole another bunch of stuff too that it's one thing after the next thing. See, when I first started this, I was using a part from, you know, this or that that or whatever there was like no parts for anything that you were trying to make so you had to look really try to figure out

how to improvise whereas now though all of every single component that we use is made for us we have very specific providers of all of this stuff that we've refined over the years, these containers, everything, it's all very specific because there's an unbelievable amount of problems. What's that term, bespoke? Right? The custom made? Isn't that what bespoke is?

I don't know. I believe that is. Bespoke is cool. We learned placate in the last one. No, no. I want to learn bespoke. We're going to learn bespoke in this one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it means.

Made to order. Made to loan Beast Book. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it means. Made to order. Made to order, right. Yeah, so essentially these parts and components did not exist until you came along and designed these new devices for chambers. And then figured out how to get them all to work together. It's been, you know, to get it to go on, to get it off, all the electrical. I mean, it's been fun, you know. It's getting, like, to the point now where we're glad that we finally are on the other side of all this stuff and that it's a valid system, that the system now demands acknowledgement. We put it in there and they can't say,

hey, you can't do this here. That's not true. We could put one of our devices anywhere, and the authorities will allow it because it's done to code. That's why when these places, they're trying to get through this trouble, they're looking for an exemption or a, what's the other word they got? Variance. These different things they try to get. Also, it's not a swimming pool, so you don't have to have any code or whatever. These things aren't cool. Right. And swimming pools have code?

Right. Yeah. And because this isn't a pool doesn't mean it shouldn't have code. That just means it should have a set of codes that are specifically designed for this environment, which is what this stuff is here. This CCS standard here that we have uses it's all that stuff there and the in the in the in the in the through this and this is the reality of the direction that the industry is going in that the

authorities are aware and and then they're not stupid they understand what liability is they they can't say hey go ahead it's okay we don't care they can't turn a blind eye on this anymore because it's been brought to their attention now. Well, it's also been brought to their attention that there's a lot going on right now where people are being investigated

for things like the Dr. Oz stuff where he's got all this weight loss shit that's out there and all this self-help industry, like things along the lines of isolation tanks. It could be incredibly damaging if these things become as popular as you and I think they will be and the filtration systems aren't good

and people have nightmare stories. Exactly. It won't survive. It won't survive. It won't survive. That's what happened when they had the AIDS. People get grossed out by it. The AIDS came out.

These things were not capable of dealing with in AIDS. Even these parasites, like the cryptosporidium, that'll take 10 days in chlorine to deactivate. Giardia, that's a day in chlorine. And then bromine. These are not effective methods to deal with. And that's something that people had considered for these tanks, chlorine.

And it's actually bad for your skin to sit in it like that. It's not healthy for you. it's actually bad for your skin to sit in it like that. It's not healthy for you. Like the skin, like when you go into a chlorinated pool and you go into like a public pool, especially that's heavily chlorinated, it hurts your eyes. You're breathing it into your system.

You're breathing it. And when it's breaking down in an action with these other materials, these methanes, like I say, it's creating a plethora of toxic byproducts then that need to be eradicated. You can't just keep – that's why you go to these places. They say, hey, how often are you switching that water out of there?

And they go, oh, you know, this guy on that thing with Hamilton. Oh, every four months. And you're going, huh. So today you're going to take – he says it's expensive. Don't want to do it. It's expensive. So today you're going to take $800 of your money and throw it down a drain. But yesterday it was just fine to charge somebody to come in here and stew around in that stuff.

And, I mean, it isn't right. I mean, there should be a regulatory agency that demands a certain level of cleanliness. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, it's important. Well, it's important, too, that there's ways that people can avoid the negative aspects entirely. Figure that out, do it, and don't half-ass that. can avoid the negative aspects entirely. Figure that out. Do it. And don't half-ass that.

Don't put people at risk. But as I said before, as we were talking about before, this is one of the things that I wanted to get into. What about a commercial version of it, a non-commercial version of it, a home version of it? Right. A version where you know that it's just going to be you using it. You know that you're not going to do anything stupid. You're going to take a shower before you go in. You're not going to urinate in it.

It's only yours. Right. You wouldn't need to urinate in it. It's only yours. You wouldn't need all that other extra jazz if it was only yours, correct? Well, what we would want to do is make sure that whatever we build is built to code. We don't want to put stuff into circulation that's not code worthy. Like if something could happen to somebody, liability issues. Like if we cheaped out on something and made it and then they, you know. Okay, but listen. Hold on a second.

You're saying cheaped out, but I don't necessarily think it's cheaping out. It's only cheaping out if you don't know what's going into that water. If you know what's going into that water because it's only yours, it's not cheaping out at all. It's like do you need to overburden your system? Do you need to make it so it's unbelievably stringent, it removes all the pathogens? No, no one's going in there but you. If it's just you, don't you think that that would be,

I mean, not only would that be totally acceptable, it would be ethical, as long as you tell the people what to do. Well, I could agree with that. The issue is with us, though, is that people, they're going to take that system that we said is for your home, and they're going to put it into a commercial space. But once that these laws and all of these standards are put into place, then certainly then we might be interested in saying, okay, now here's how it could be done that would be less effective, say, than the commercial version.

But first we would have – first what we're very diligent about is to establish these guidelines in the beginning. Not to say, oh, well, some of our stuff does this or that. It's like all of it does. It's certified. It's perfect as it is now, but the rest of it is like, okay, we could do that, but it wouldn't be what it is that we've taken so much time and effort to get right. Now, we know all the other components, the less expensive ones, let's say, and we could do that. Right, but what I'm saying is the only reason why you need all the other components, the less expensive ones, let's say. Right. And we could do that.

Right. But what I'm saying is the only reason why you need all those expensive components is because you're dealing with more than one human being. Right? If it's me that's the one human being, I'm completely okay with taking super clean actions on it. Yeah. Wouldn't that be like... I like to have the best. I know.

But for someone who lives you know in a modest way and can't afford spend the massive amount is there a way like i know that there's this new thing that they're coming out with yeah what do you think of that well it's a shower curtain on a on an aluminum frame you know which is uh you know i don't know how they're going to keep that stuff from uh hardening up there's a lot of things i don't know about you know and i don't want to the salt in the water yeah right and now i don't know about. There's salt in the water. Yeah. And now I don't know how they're going to keep that somewhere without getting hard. I don't know how it's not going to dissipate out of there. I haven't really studied into it, but I'm aware of certain limitations that occur just in general when you're dealing with this material.

Right. And do you think that perhaps some of these other designs are made from people that do not have a long-term history, a long-time history in this sort of a business? Like, they don't understand what's involved. I remember the thing about

the dude who worked for Samadhi. He had encountered all the bullshit before. He knew about when engines seized up. He knew the salt content was too high and it would fuck with the spot.

Engines, you replaced. He knew in advance what it was high and it would fuck with the spa engines. He replaced... He knew in advance what it was probably when we talked on the phone, what the issues were. Yes. And he would come home and fix them. So you think a lot of these folks, they're just sort of getting into tanks now

and then they go, hey, I got an idea. But they're not foreseeing the potential hazards or issues that would come from these things. Yes. So is that a good explanation? I believe that that's the story. I don't think that they care.

The ones that I'm aware of, some of these guys, I don't know them, you know, because I try not to get involved with these people because we're on our own page. We are trying to get it. We're not trying. We're doing it. We are moving forward in a direction. I understand, but I mean, you're aware of these little companies that are coming up.

And the good thing is that it's making people aware of tanks. Like a Kickstarter. You know, somebody sent me a Kickstarter for that Zentank thing, and I looked at it and I was like, I don't know if I can retweet this. I don't know enough about it. I don't know if it's good. I don't know if it's bad. I don't know if it's a good idea.

It made it on that Google, on your computer, when you have the Yahoo search motor or whatever it is. I saw it on the Yahoo. It said, oh, Zen Tent or whatever. It's interesting. So the public has somewhat of an interest in it. Let's say the E! News is doing some series on actors and how they get into peak performance or whatever it is like this and that. And they want to include us in that frame of this type of activities.

Using sensory deprivation tanks. Yeah. How many celebrities use sensory deprivation tanks? Is there a lot now? There's more and more. We have them coming in more now. Really? Yeah, there's some that are very...

It's pretty cool, too. And there are those good people as well. The ones that come in that are famous or whatever, they're never like a big, you know, it's me or anything like that. They come in a little... That's why I come in, dude. Elton John sunglasses, big fucking feather hats. Gotta come in dude elton john sunglasses big fucking feather hats it's gotta come in big about the spirit world yeah you know for the occasion wear your

gators the the but the people then that that that are attracted so what i'm saying though is it's becoming more and more of a mainstream it's becoming more and more popular and people are becoming more and more aware of it and i know a lot of fighters use it. Diego Sanchez is really big on it. Jeremy Stevens, who we talked about earlier, he loves it. Did he win that fight, or is that coming up? He did not. It was a very close fight, but he did not win. But it was very close, and it was very good.

It was an excellent fight. It was really close. Like, at the end, I believe it was a split decision. Wow. And at the end, we were going, man, who knows? But I think the right guy won. I think Cub Swanson won the fight, but it was, like I said, it was super, super close. They both put it all in.

It was great. It was a wild fight to watch. These guys are so skilled. That spinabout kick where that guy kicks him in the chin. I watched you walk out on a little clip, and you're walking out on, this is a long time ago, and as you're walking, you don't even stop walking and you jump around and kick the guy I think you kick him

in the chest or something and he goes out immediately I mean it was like it wasn't even you didn't even stop walking and then that guy from

what is that show there's a law and order show the bald guy that's like the captain or whatever he is he was telling the story about you and him

they're going through New York and there's these hoodlums, right? There's like four or five or something. So Joe says this. What are you talking into a microphone crash? Oh, yeah. Sorry about that.

So Joe says to him, I forgot. Do you know who the guy is, the bald Law and Order guy? Dan Florek? Yeah. He's saying, you guys are. And Joe looks over, and he says, hey, can you take one of these guys? And he goes, OK. Joe jumped up and knocked the first.

Wait a minute. This never happened. In New York. I didn't knock anybody out. This is a completely fabricated story. And you were in New York and some hoodlums were giving you trouble. Listen to me because you're talking about me. I'm trying to explain.

This shit did not happen. Did not happen. Never happened. See, this is the story he told me. He might have been on pain pills. Are you sure it story he told me. He might have been on pain pills. Are you sure it's the right guy? He might have been on Ambien. I don't know if it's the right guy.

But you just never had a problem like that. I did not beat up anybody in New York. Never kicked a guy down. No. The other ones ran off. I haven't been in... That's what he told me. No, I haven't been in any sort of a physical altercation since I was in high school.

Really? Yeah. You never get into a situation with some guy, get him in a lippy mouth, and you got to put him up there? There was a guy on Fear Factor that I had to grab, but once I grabbed him, nothing happened. You shut up. I just grabbed him, held on to him, grabbed his neck. Shut him right up.

I didn't hurt him. He was too dangerous. He had hit some people before. He had thrown his wife down on a television show, and he had attacked a counselor on another television show. They had warned us before he came on the show that he was like he was very uh he was a contestant and he had this uh previous background he was a celebrity um one of those reality celebrities he had been on a reality show with his wife oh this is the new one it was an old fear factor and they had reality

shows back then oh yeah man sure they had survivor man started in 2000 i want to say like 2001 or survivor did rather huh 2001 and this guy was on the amazing race which i think was like 2004 or three or something like that yeah i mean they've had those for a long time you grabbed him to get him just to chill i think i thought he was gonna hit me he kept getting in my face i pushed him away he got my face again i was like i'm not gonna let the problem with someone hitting you is it's really hard to see they're going to hit you if they sucker punch you. By the time you react, you've already been hit. You know, it's the reaction times that people have are way slower than action times. Action times are way faster. So if someone decides to hit you and you don't see it coming, it can be very dangerous.

And when someone keeps invading your space and they're, they're not listening, they're violent, they're angry, they're spitting your face, they're screaming. If you just let a guy hit you, you know, the first punch is one of the most important aspects of any sort of an altercation. You get hit, you get hurt, you get damaged, and then someone can fuck you up. You got to be really careful. Trying to regroup. Yeah. So when someone, he's violating all the laws of engagement and he's also, he's showing himself to be very, very dumb about physical altercation because he keeps coming forward. I push him away from me, and he keeps coming forward again.

Like, something's going to happen if you keep doing this. And you're not thinking about it. You're not thinking about what the repercussions are. You don't even know how to fight, and yet you still keep coming towards him. You already know that. You already see him, how he's presenting himself. But not just that. I'm looking at his physical frame. that. You already see him, how he's presenting himself. But not just that. I'm looking at his physical frame.

I'm like, he's just, he's frail. There's nothing there that's, like, dangerous. There's no explosive movement. He's spitting. He's yelling. He's red in the face. He's all emotional. He's going to run out of gas in five seconds if I grab him.

I'm just thinking all these things, like, but I don't want him to hit me. That's the only one time, though. That's the only one time on television. I mean, I've gotten in arguments with people before, but I'm't want them to hit me. That's the only one time, though. That's the only one time on television. I mean, I've gotten in arguments with people before, but I'm a nice person, man. For the most part, I can avoid most bullshit, but I didn't kick anybody in New York. That's what I think he

said. He said, the other ones ran off. You asked him if he could handle one of them. He said, yeah. I don't know what to say. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I don't know what you remember. I don't know who was on Ambien. I don't know who was on third. I don't know neither, to be honest with you. I wouldn't know. I don't know what to say. I don't know what you remember. I don't know who was on Ambien. I don't know who was. Who was on third. Right.

I don't know neither, to be honest with you. But, yeah. I wouldn't do that. The thought about, though, is that a lot of these people, I think, that once you stand up, they'll scatter off. Sometimes. Sometimes they just beat the fuck out of you. That'll usually stop them. You know, you should always avoid any physical altercation if you can do it.

Any physical altercation, if you can avoid it, please do. You're always better off. People, cooler heads prevail. People relax. They calm down. They calm down and get over a situation that could have resulted in a murder. I mean, that happens all the time where it's just like people escalate, and they get to this point, and they make irrational decisions,

and they're super violent, and then they go and do something really dumb. It happens all the time. People, they get caught up in their emotions they get caught up in their anger they get caught up in their their primal chimpanzee rage and they just fuck up and they do something terrible that's why how people who love each other wind up killing each other i mean where how could that even be rational how could you ever kill someone that you used to love? And it all boils down to some of the same issues that we were talking about earlier. People don't have releases. They don't have a release for their aggression. They don't have a release for their frustration. They don't have a

release for the energy that their body continues to make. They have all this food they're taking in their body. Their body's getting fat because they're not exercising it. So there's all these imbalances and everybody's, and people are agitated. They're agitated and easily irritated, and it's all about personal maintenance, and it's all an issue of personal maintenance, whether it's by taking yoga classes or what you and I like to do by getting into the tank or what some folks like to do, they just like to go for an evening jog. I know a lot of people that say that they go for a jog.

Like Jamie's a big jogger. You go for a run and it clears your mind. When it's over, things that seemed so important 20 minutes ago, they don't seem that important anymore. An hour ago, you were sweating all these different things, and now you're like, in a greater perspective, everything's going to be okay. I was just caught up in a wave of momentum, of emotions and anxiety, and oftentimes you can alleviate a big

chunk of those just with physical exercise they're like they say that physical exercise is as effective as antidepressants when it comes to making people feel better really yes that physical exercise for a lot of folks is the recipe this guy writes mean. There's a guy who writes, a comedy writer, and he comes in and he says that... What's his name? I don't know his name. I forgot his name. Comedy writer guy. Yeah, he's a comedy writer guy.

He goes for a walk, though. He doesn't even... No, run. He says he runs. He doesn't even like to run, but when he goes out and he runs, it creates a mental framework that he uses to write with. Yes. So he'll go out and just go for a run to create the mental mind frame that he's going to work

off of his material with. Yeah. Not to get the physical... Benefits. Right. I thought, whoa, that's an interesting... Because I know sometimes about riding my bike, some stuff comes into my head that I would, oh, wow, I didn't think about

that, you know? Right. So I guess when you're in this, you know, exercising mode too, your physical stuff is taken care of. Well, sure. You're also, you're pumping your body filled with blood. You're accelerating all your processes. You're getting all your hormones going.

You're getting all your endorphins going. Your body's pumping. You know, you're flushing out your system. Everything's moving. You're getting all your hormones going. You're getting all your endorphins going. Your body's pumping. You're flushing out your system. Everything's moving. You're sweating. So you're sweating toxins out of your system, allegedly. I don't like when people talk about that because usually they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I'm getting rid of all the toxins.

Are you really? Are you just sweating? What's happening here? So I'm not really sure if I should say that. But that's a lot of it. It's exercise. I think that allows the mind to release a little bit or at least come down. Perhaps when the physical situation is requiring more of you,

and then your mind is freed up from creating problems to evaluate. Yeah, it's the battery thing we were talking about earlier too. Your body stores up all this energy and you don't have a release. Some folks never have any sort of an explosive release, like months, weeks, days. There's nothing. It never happens. They have no release.

Their body is just like, ah! It's designed for all these different things that it doesn't get used for. It's designed so that you can do manual labor. It's designed so that you could hunt for food, so that you could gather and farm. It's designed to be sturdy when required to be. And when you don't require it to be, it gets uncomfortable. And that's the issue that a lot of people face

in this weird modern world that we've created. We don't give the body what it really truly needs. That's that homostasis thing. It's supposed to be a natural state or something like that. And I think that one of the fascinating things about the tank is that it allows a very unusual type of relaxation. It also is an incredible way to absorb magnesium into your body. Like magnesium, which is an important mineral, it gets absorbed through your body through those salts. It's like Epsom salts is one of the best ways to get into your body. You feel better. When you lie in that thing, you feel invigorated. I lie in that thing for a couple of hours and I feel like I just

slept like a really good eight hour sleep. Like, oh, my body feels good. It's such a good thing. I mean, those chambers are so good. That's what it's, you know, the people, they, they, and what's interesting is that people like it. When they come in and they do it, they go, oh, you know, that was a very low percentage of, you know, not that we ever ask or anything, but most people say, wow, wow, you know. It's such a positive learning, and the downside, you know, I don't even know what it is. I don't think there's a downside, but I have had people come to me that were in a poorly set up tank. Like this one guy came to me and goes, hey, I tried to do it, but I was sweating. I was like, well, you're in a badly set up tank. You're not supposed to sweat.

You're almost supposed to feel slightly cool when you get in. Just slightly cool. And if you're sweating at all, it's just the temperature of the water is too high. And that can happen. It's happened to me before. I've had my temperature set wrong or for whatever reason it gets warmer outside. I emailed you about that recently. Exactly.

Just leave the door open for a while. Let some of the heat out. Did you change the number down one notch or just left it? I left it. Do you want us to take it? Oh, it's too late. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I can do that.

It's not what I do. But if it's set up correctly it's a an amazing thing and it should be something that everyone at least at one point in your life recognizes or experiences because i think that it's it's an alien environment that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world if you could take a pill that could give you the experience that you get when you're full blown in the tank you know how that you know that feeling that you get when you're fully relaxed when you've completely let go like an hour in or something like that where everything is just so chill and your mind is in this like incredible place and you're you know essentially just breathing and floating when you

hit that moment man if you could get a pill that could put people in that state it would be like ecstasy people would be like trading in the black market they'd be like this is amazing dude the feeling that gives you like the world goes away dude you don't feel your body the world goes away and you're alone with your mind in an empty room you'd be like whoa people would freak out oh yeah the film did it they would be like that's the craziest drug ever like yeah man it's freaky bro it's so illegal though if you get caught with it you're dead it's completely blacked out forever you can't see anything meanwhile it's just it is like a drug in its effects but it's completely natural completely

safe completely i mean i guess you could get addicted to it because i think a person could get pretty much addicted to anything right you know if it's worth doing it's worth overdoing people say that about jerking off then they get blisters in their dick yeah the locusts come in pretty much addicted to anything, right? You know, if it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. People say that about jerking off, then they get blisters in their dick. Yeah, and the locusts come in, too. You got to worry about the locusts then. And then you got to worry about, you know,

people get that way with gambling. I mean, people get addicted to a lot of things that aren't physically addictive as far as like the cellular level. But you get addicted to those rushes that you get. Emotionally, yeah. People get addicted to fighting with their spouse. There's a lot of people that just can't help it.

They have these seesaw battles in their relationships where they get mad and yell at each other and then they recover and they love each other so much better because of the fact they've gone through this almost. It's supposed to be a neurochemical. We get upset and then we get a hit from that. It's interesting.

We get bored. We're designed to a hit from that. It's interesting. We get bored. We're designed to go wild through the jungle, banging each other like monkeys. But we don't do that anymore, so we get bored. So the way we keep it exciting is start fights. Hey, you, come here. Get upset, make up with each other. Madness.

I just think what I love about the tank is that it gives you the chance to sort of step back and see stuff like that gives you a chance to step back and see like your whole life and to be alone with your mind to be alone with your mind to just really get a good look at what the fuck's going on it's such a good place to go too

because it's like the regular world is just loaded with stuff now it's like a constant in order just to like, not answer the phone, or not have anything going on at all, it's so very complex to get yourself somewhere. You almost have to leave from, you know. And come back later better prepared to deal with the situation that it might have been, you know. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's just, it's so interesting to me that this slipped through the cracks for decades that somehow or another people forgot about this. And it was one of those things that

was incredibly fringe when I came upon it. I went to a place called Soothing Solutions that's still open in Burbank and they have those Samadhi tanks and they do a great job taking care of them. They have a shower right there. They have a real good setup. And the lady that ran it was super nice. But she was like, it was on the verge of going under. Like, there wasn't that many people that were using those tanks. It was just pretty rare. It wasn't like this super popular thing.

And I remember the first time I did it there, I was like, this is fucking bananas. How is this not something that everybody's talking about everywhere you go? And I questioned her about it, and I questioned other people about it. And then I would ask people, have you heard about it? And I was stunned by how few people in the psychedelic community didn't do it. We were going to sell thousands of them. Dennis McKenna's never done it. I'm getting there going, this is such an outrageous.

You know, everybody, When I first did it And I started doing it I'm going This is something That Graham Hancock had never done it I know You're supposed to come to my house

And do it I was gonna send him to you to do it Next time he's in He's in America I'm fucking I'm dragging him To one of those things It's like

How can you go around You travel all the way to the jungle To do ayahuasca Come It's right here Sit down He's tapped into himself really good He he's amazing super uh intuitive like that he's a great great guy too just a beautiful human being human being yeah somebody that really has a lot a lot in him

fascinating honest inquisitive willing to take chances in even if he's incorrect occasionally with some of these ideas the ones that he's been correct about, it's pretty mind-blowing, some of the implications of some of the things that he's discovered. And with things that we were talking about this on the car right up here, the Gobekli Tepe situation where they've discovered this incredible stone ruins from 14,000 years ago, and this is something that they just didn't even know existed before. They didn't know there was a culture 14,000 years ago that was capable of building something like this. And because of the fact that it was covered up 14,000 years ago, they're pretty sure that it was built at least that long ago, perhaps even longer.

Didn't they seem to have thought that it was covered up on purpose? It was covered up on purpose. It was hidden, they said, I think. They explained how the, and this is all mainstream archaeology, folks. This isn't some weird fringe shit. This is, I mean, pretty much completely agreed upon by all these different scientists that at some point around 12,000 years ago, they covered all of these stone structures. And it's an enormous stone structure complex of these concentric circles's these weird three-dimensional carvings that are into these stone columns are huge. We're very intricate, very difficult to do, especially back

then when they thought that people were essentially just hunters and gatherers, which is, you know, they didn't think that people had built cities back then. So 14,000 years ago, someone or 12,000 plus years ago, someone had had the ability to do this that we were unaware of until this discovery. And this discovery wasn't even made until, I think, the 90s, 80s or 90s. Someone found one of these stones, and they started uncovering it. And to this day, they've only uncovered like 5%. Why isn't that a focus? Well, it is.

It's just slowly but surely. Well, it's only 5% uncovered, but it's a focus of us. I mean, why isn't society informed about it? Because Kim Kardashian's ass is huge, and a lot of people think it's fake. That's it's a focus of us why why isn't society uh like informed about because kim kardashian's ass is huge and a lot of people think it's fake that's it her dog has got a he's got his paws something's wrong there's something wrong with the dog yeah the dog is the the shushu dog well it's just mainstream television mainstream media is a lot of his, you know, it's a business and it's based on the base humans. The amount of numbers. Look, I've talked to a lot of people that work for paparazzis, that work for like TMZ, that work for these people.

They're just regular people that are a part of this system that they get some money out of. And the get some money out of the system exists because people are curious as to what Britney Spears is up to. They're curious as to, you know, how Kanye West is going to deal with Jimmy Kimmel making fun of him. People just get super obsessed by this stuff, and there's a business in feeding that obsession. So all these people that don't take themselves away from the television, and don't get into an isolation tank, and don't consciously choose to not in and don't take a yoga and don't consciously

choose to not inundate their mind with silly nonsense instead if they just took a broader path took a wider view took a more sensible approach to their life you know i think we would see less and less of that stuff you know exists because there's a void, because there's a reason for it, because it's interesting to people. It could be a fad. Maybe. If people continue to get smarter along the course that we looked at earlier

in the podcast, not the courtship of Eddie's father, but of Leave it to Beaver. We look at Leave it to Beaver and then look at things that we see on television today and the sophistication level of the media that we produce, the artwork that we produce is pretty intense. The growth amount is pretty intense. So I think that that is just,

that's the evidence that people are becoming more sophisticated overall. There's still going to be plenty of idiots. There always will be. There's always going to be people that resist. There's always going to be people that idiots. There always will be. There's always going to be people that resist. There's always going to be people that are involved in religious cults. There's going to be people that are ideologues that have these insane ideologies. There's always going to be that.

But I think that overall, things are getting more sophisticated. People are becoming more aware. People are becoming more smart. Don't you think? I'm hoping for that, And I believe that that's probably correct. And the tank's part of that in some way. The tank can help a person. I mean, everybody, you know, like I say, they put them in these schools, help these kids, you know, define themselves. You know, that's very important for people to have that opportunity and that

important for people to have that opportunity and that option to take and turn out how they want to be based on what it is that they think that how they want to be. You know what I mean? Do it because of your own reasons. Yeah. And know what those reasons are. And that's one of the things about meditation, whether it's TM or whether it's yoga, whether it's going into a tank, when you're alone with your thoughts, you get an idea of what your thoughts actually are. whether it's TM or whether it's yoga, whether it's going into a tank, when you're alone with your thoughts, you get an idea of what your thoughts actually are. If you live your life just acting constantly on the momentum of other people's expectations, of you wanting to be liked by these other people, you can run into a trap and you set up a life that you didn't really want.

You're fucked. You're trapped in this situation where you have a mortgage, you've got credit card bills, you've got student loans you have to pay, you have a bunch of shit going on that you have to continue to feed. And all that, and especially if you have a family and you have to feed them, oh my goodness. Then you're fully locked in. You can't take any chances whatsoever.

And oftentimes people make the mistake of getting stuck. And it is just a tactical mistake, just like it would be a mistake if you got stuck on a video game. and oftentimes people make the mistake of getting stuck, and it is just a tactical mistake, just like it would be a mistake if you got stuck on a video game, just like it would be a mistake if you followed a map incorrectly and you got stuck in the woods. Your life is certainly some sort of a journey. It's certainly some sort of a journey,

and we have to all be aware that when we're making journeys, we're not going to always make the right steps, and sometimes you have to back up and try again, and if journeys, we're not going to always make the right steps. And sometimes you have to back up and try again. And if you're in a position where you can't back up and try again, you've trapped yourself. And the system will set out honeypots for people to get trapped in. The system will set out the ideas of retirement, the ideas of the golden years, providing you benefits, providing you a healthy work environment. Why?

Well, because they want people to work for them. They don't want people to realize their own dreams and escape. That's a fucking pain in the ass. You got to hire more people and train them. They want to set it up so that you stick around. You stick around in some sort of an unsatisfying world. It's up to you to see that video game problem, to see that issue as it comes up on the map. No, no, I think this is a right turn to see all the problems that could potentially lay in front of you and calculate your future. And then also look around all the people that didn't do it and look at the misery that they're in and learn that you don't want to be like them. And then look at the people that have kind of taken chances and navigated their way. What did they do differently than you? What objectivity

do they have that maybe you lack? What insight into their own mistakes are they willing to delve into that you're not, that you step back and you go, you know, I just don't want to look at myself that closely. But the person who's able to look at themselves the closest is going to get the more rational results. Well put, you know, because you're your own architect, you know what I mean? You turn out how you... Sort of. I want to be like Shaquille O'Neal. Shit's not going to happen. You know,

if you wanted to be like a seven foot tall black guy, it's really, the odds are slim. Yeah. You can't, imagine if you could, imagine they found out

that the secret is real, that you could just become whatever you want. So if you thought hard enough about being a giant, you would just start growing. If you thought hard enough about being a giant, you would just start growing. If you thought hard enough about being a woman, you would just turn into a woman.

Like people look at you like, is something going on, Crash? You'd just be like, well, I've been thinking a lot about living my life as a woman, so I just started to become a woman. And you could just do it from a cellular level. Unconsciously. Totally consciously. What's going on here with this?

Wow, that's ridiculous. I'm talking about completely consciously. Isn that the idea behind like the secret? Did you get like When that whole the secret thing was going on And what the bleep do we know And people started really getting into the idea Of manifesting your own reality with your imagination Did you get a lot more people coming into the tank centers?

Looking for a place to do it? I think that was probably like kind of in the People maybe started to, uh, that, uh, group, uh,

what's it called? Group, uh, consciousness or something. Collective consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

I don't really like that. And I don't like that, you know, moto stuff about the water having a personality or whatever it is. Is that bullshit? I have a dark field microscope and I studied, you know, a bit about water and I, you know, I, I yell at it or I'm nice to it? I have a dark field microscope. And I studied a bit about water. And I yell at it or I'm nice

to it and I can't tell the difference. I try to, hey you, you're rotten. And it doesn't seem to affect the water under my microscope. But he does the freezing. I don't know how he did it. What is it called? The message in the water? Well, it's Yamamoto. He's a scientist that suggests

that the water is like we're water water sort of I think is the premises that if you're nice to water, water is nice. And if you're nice to people, they're nice I think. It's something – It's called Hidden Messages in Water and it's all pretty fascinating. But a lot of people think it's total bullshit. Scientists think that. Yeah, but those are the ones you got to listen to, man, because all these other people think it's total bullshit. Scientists think that. Yeah, but those are the ones you've got to listen to, man, because all these other people, they're seeing ghosts and shit.

The problem is the scientists are the ones that are analyzing shit and looking for actual results, whereas the people that are really into spirituality and channelers, they're looking to find a very specific result. They're not looking to just measure these things. Do you know what's fun? You ever done that thing with the muscle testing and they push on your arm and they put the little medallion on you,

the Tesla medallion or whatever, and they say, oh, you know, this is a Tesla technology or now it's... So, okay, they put the little wristband, whatever it is. So I could never understand how that works. It doesn't make any sense to me, right? Right.

So one day this guy shows up and he says, okay, let me try this thing. So I have a desk behind me with a towel on it. So next is a proximity thing. You've got to be within 10 feet of this thing or something or it still has an effect. So I say, okay, okay. What is this thing again? It's like a medallion. A medallion.

Yeah, or a ring or a thing. It's like magnetic or some shit. Yeah, they say something's about Tesla technology and they put your arm up and they push down on your arm. It's like magnetic or some shit. Yeah, they say something's about Tesla technology. And they put your arm up and they push down on your arm to see if- People love- That's all bullshit. Those are carny tricks. I couldn't understand how it was- So I took the thing and I said, okay, here, watch this.

Took the table behind me. I'm going to have it in my hand or not. Right. I put it behind my back and I either put it up on the table underneath the towel or I had it in my hand. Right. And when I came back then, all the tests were off. The guy had not a clue how to manipulate the test. Oh, so he didn't know if you had it on you,

so then he started doing all his carny tricks, and he couldn't commit to them because it didn't work? Exactly. Uh-huh. Wasn't certain as to the outcome he was trying to produce. Well, I had a dude try it with me. He did it to my co-host in the UFC, and he was believing it.

He had one on and shit. He was telling me, you've got to try this. It's amazing. And I was like, what is it? And the guy goes, well, let me explain it to you. It's all about polarity.

He starts using all these words. Polarity, magnetism, it's all about fucking voodoo. Tesla. He's telling me all this stuff. And then he said, this thing, when you put it on your wrist,

it's going to make you stronger. And I go, really? And he goes, yeah. So he goes, all right, I want you to do this. And he made me put my arm out like that. He goes, okay, now resist me. And I resisted him.

And then he's like, all right, you're not supposed to be able to resist that. I was like, well, look, man, you're making a mistake. You got bad leverage. You're trying to push down on my arms. You're not big enough. I can hold my arms out there like that. Do your lift up. Yeah, I lift weights.

This shit ain't going to work. And then he goes, all right, now I want you to put this on. Tell me if you feel stronger. I go, I'm not any stronger. You're not going to get any stronger from a fucking little rubber band around my wrist. This is ridiculous. I go, you're standing in a different position. I go, you're doing it differently.

I go, you were trying to get closer to me before. And now you're doing it further away from me, which, you know, you have less leverage. This is stupid. I was like, this is dumb as fuck, man. Parlor trick. Dude got mad at me, man. He was really upset at me. His face started getting red. I go, listen, man, there's no scientific basis for any of this shit. He goes, well, $100,000

athletes can't be wrong. Turns out they were wrong. Turns out they sued, and turns out there's a class action lawsuit, and all those fucking people got their money back. I mean, like a it's a big deal yeah it's a parlor trick total horseshit but i talked to fucking athletes that swore it worked they do that the people believed it that's why like you say was it the chamber though is like they do all those uh hoaxy or this they try this or they tried the acupressure and they they do these shows on tv and they try to uh you know uh discredit uh yeah these uh natural uh well you can't discredit the

chamber they have never been able to come up well they wouldn't want to first of all it's it's so natural it's so natural and so positive and you look at it's so ingenious in its design tank filled with epsom salts, so effective. It does something. It helps you do something with yourself. And I mean, what else is there that does that hardly? And it's super relaxing. It helps you calm down.

Super relaxing. And we can all use to relax. Fuck, I know I can. God damn it. Listen to me. I can fucking use to relax always. Some of these people are coming in, they're in a big hurry. They're in a big hurry to relax.

They're in a hurry. I gotta hurry up and relax. I don't know. I only have an hour. Let's get in there quick. We give them two hours for $40. That's amazing, by the way. You have the best fucking rates, man.

Nobody has rates like that. Everybody else is like, I've heard $50 an hour. I've heard people saying, well, you know, there's no money in this. There's no profit in it. So we have to charge this much just to keep the doors open but what you've always done is i mean i can't tell you how many people have gone to the float lab and go dude it was so cheap i was like yeah yeah and comparing like in my town it's 150 bucks for an hour like i've heard that i've heard 150 bucks for an hour what's the most expensive you've ever heard someone charging a buck 20 and stuff i

don't know know see it just it bums me out because it's not cool to charge people like that to to try to you know if if you if this is a person oh you know you can charge more well so what i don't have to i don't well if you have an initial investment and you build an x amount of tanks and then you have a place where it makes sense like as far as like the amount of rent and then you just have them filled all day long, it can be profitable. I mean, you're not going to be Rockefeller,

but you're not trying to do that. You're just trying to spread this shit. Trying to accommodate the people in general, not a specific group of people. Like I remember when I used to have the clubs, I always have the Jell-O shooters for a dollar. I have a dollar beer. Always a dollar draft, always.

And then I have a dollar, all my schnapps is a dollar you know because the people that the money is a thing for you're dealing with regular you want to have what is your objective are you trying to make is this your money thing are you trying to provide a service and and create a community like the people that come to you like i never hear anybody i have never once heard anybody go to your thing and go, you know what? Crash was rude. The place sucked.

The tanks were expensive. No one's ever said that. They always say, oh, Crash is so cool. The place is so nice. I love it there. It's great. Like, no one has

any negativity. Well, that's... Like, Ian's so handsome. Look at him over there. Beautiful bastard. They're just bringing... They're coming to the girls that I like to have.

It's a good move. Ian should be, like, oiled up and shirtless. You'd attract dudes the girls. It's a good move. Ian should be like oiled up and shirtless. You'd attract dudes and girls. You'd have people coming in from all around to use those tanks. Did Ian use this tank? He does? Take me to the tank. Did Ian use this?

Oh, hey, that's another thing. We have your old chamber. I want to give it away. We updated that thing, too. It's all black now. We changed the door out. Now it's a black door and it's inlaid. And we've fixed it all up.

Oh, that's awesome. We're going to do something with it. Let's do that. Tell me what we need to do and we'll give it away. Let's do something. Because I gave away my last tank. My Samani tank, I had a random drawing online. People sent me their emails and I just went.

I spun. I did the thing with emails, and I just went. I spun. I did the thing with my laptop, and I'm like, clip. Okay, this guy. And then I just sent it to that guy. Just total random decided to send it to this one guy in San Diego, and he got my tank. Shipped it to him, paid for the salt. We tuned it all up. It's an outrageous vehicle, man.

It's a cool rig, and it's your old thing. How much does the salt cost? It's funny about that, man. It's a cool rig and it's your old thing. How much does the salt cost? It's funny about that, too. You're thinking about the Epsom salt, magnesium sulfate, USP grade, right? Yes. It depends on where you get it at. Even though it's labeled

the same way, USP is a pharmaceutical grade, the quality is different. Anyway, you can get it at the home, I mean, at the bed, bath, or 99-cent store for 50 cents a pound. Right. Yet it's, you know, like eight. It's not the highest grade.

No. So you got to get it from, you hooked me up with some chemical company that sells it, Yeah, that's who I get it with, right, yeah. Yeah. And it's like 75, 80 cents a pound or something there, which is, you know. So you figure it's like 1,000 pounds. It's like 800 bucks. Cool.

But that chamber, though, is in primo shape. We have it all fixed up. And one day we'll figure out what we're going to do because, you know, we're going to be talking more about this venue in Westwood. Yeah, so you're going to open up a place in Westwood. When is it going to be open for the public? That's a good question. We've been working on it for a while now because of the,

a few details with people that we needed to get behind us. How many tanks do you have right now in Venice? Two. Two, that's it? That's it. Wow.

And the, you know. And the same place in Westwood will have 10? 10. Ooh. So two in Venice are booked up like deep into August, right?

Yes. And would be if you probably had 20 of them. You know? We turn, there's a lot of calls so the two in Venice are booked up like deep into August right yes and would be if you probably had 20 of them you know there's a lot of calls we don't make an effort

to utilize any you know like there's been some shows the TV shows wanted to come in we haven't even been

we don't have any time right so it's like oh they want to come and film there or something well Vice filmed there that was cool and Hamilton Morris I remember he contacted me after it was over.

He said it was one of the most life-changing things he's ever done. He ate a pot edible and got into your tank and just changed his world. Well, it changed our world too. That really was an extraordinary opportunity for us then to have the chance to show some people what this was about. He informed a lot of people, you know, you and him and other people that, you know, mostly it's just you and him. I don't know who else has really been. Well, that was his first jaunt.

Yeah. His first real run in the tank. But his whole thing, that Pharmacopia show that he does, really was fascinating. He had a lot of really fascinating episodes really cool um well-produced episodes where they covered a lot of different kinds of psychedelics a lot of different kinds of subjects but this this subject this um this whole thing where people are getting curious about altered states of consciousness is increasing and growing and even more so this idea that you could do it in something like the tank

where it's totally natural and safe and healthy. You don't have to worry about it. So I think it's all part of this new sort of expanding of our ideas that we're seeing in today's society. It's an expanding of what do you have know, what do you have in your life? What's in your world, you know? You know, what are you adding to your body? What are you adding to your day?

How are you expanding your consciousness, your point of view? These are all new things, too. New considerations. These are points to consider that in the past really haven't been left up to the individual. It's mostly like you go along with the tide. But now you can grab a hold of yourself and say, listen, I'm going to think about this the way I think about it. And then make the decisions to have – you're not a victim anymore. As a victim, oh, they're this,

they're that. Ah, you know, they are what they are. But you now, with the ability to recognize, you're, you know,

that you, you are capable and that you are potentially just getting started. I mean, we're all young if we want to be.

If you want to be old. we're certainly all a work in progress. Let's hope. The more you keep improving yourself, the more you enjoy this process of life. So we were talking about people trying Pilates. People love trying new shit. I get into archery recently. It's fun.

It's like something exciting about learning something. You don't know that much about it, and you can see your progress. Maybe take up a martial art or a sport or a skill yeah something you can start doing something sewing i mean i don't know anything i mean the uh you know uh it's it's good to have a balance yeah you know it is it's super super important to to have a balance and also to find things in your life that stimulate you. The more things that I do that excite me and stimulate me, the more things that I do where I'm learning new stuff, I get into things and those things that I get into wind up enriching my life. The enthusiasm that I get from pursuing some new subject that I'm interested in. Learning is cool when you're learning what you want to learn about.

some new subject that I'm interested in. Learning is cool when you're learning what you want to learn about. Which is why I wanted to talk to you about these crazy screens that you're trying to hook up these tanks with. This is the thing that Crash was going off about forever, was these screens that would suspend above the tank and emit the lowest amount of light possible so that you only saw the image. You didn't see the actual screen itself or the border itself. You just saw

the image in front of you. And in that sensory deprivation state where the only input that was coming in was what you were catching off the screen and what you were hearing from the program, that your mind would be way more easily, way more able to absorb the information. It's a trip. After five tries, military providers were used to get this thing finally doing what it's supposed to do. It's been difficult to get it to be contained, that image

in that area that it has to be in with Fort... So that was very... Because you know, you're laying down looking at it, and one of the first things that we figured out was... Because you're on your back. Right. So we take it, and you go like this and you go whoop and as soon as the screen changes around you're convinced that you're standing on your feet and looking forward on your feet at the screen really oh this is one of the first things and then there's some other stuff

too that you know that so when you're lying on your back and you're watching the video you think you're standing up you take the video that you the – there is no video for this really because it's like mostly your brain – you don't want to see Gone with the Wind or – Your whole mind is just patterns or movements or whatever. We've been working with different stuff as much as we can with the time. or whatever, we've been working with different stuff as much as we can with the time. We don't have enough time, but when we come back, we have a strategy then to start to produce these programs involved in this system. But the initial, what's occurring there with that is, that's the future. Well, explain it, though.

There's a screen that's hovering over your face. Uh-huh. When you're laying on your back. And how wide is it? The one we have now is 19 inches because the material required to build it, they can't get it any bigger. Now, though, there's 32 inch screen material. I can get it to make it 32 inches across. But is there a size that it's no longer good because you have to go back and forth?

No, because they're black borders. It's all black. So the whole thing is a screen. Right. But the image will move around within the screen. So you have it all black. We're working on something, you know, like those tiles in the bottom. So if you're in a dome now and you're laying them back on your dome

and those tiles are underneath you so that the bottom is waterproof, of course, but you use the lights on the bottom, a projector or whatever, on the bottom in a dome, you're laying on your back and the dome then is all filled in with screens and stuff.

Oh, yeah. And the bottom. So now you're laying in this thing and you're flying through space in a dome. The upside, everywhere you look, and then it flips you over. But wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So you think you're flying like this.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. But you can't see through the water. Yeah, it's clear as a bell. So, but wouldn't that ruin the whole idea of sensory deprivation? Oh, no, it's a whole other thing. If you see light underneath you. Oh, you see light, you're flying.

But you can't turn behind you and look behind you. If it's screened everywhere, you're enclosed in it. This is the future. I don't really want to. Okay, but if you're lying, I'm confused. Sorry if I keep interrupting. No, no, no. If you're lying on your back and you're looking up, what difference does it make what's behind you?

You're not going to see that. Well, you want to know that it's something because then you're flying. You're suspended. You look around. You're in the air. I something because then you're flying. You're suspended. You look around. You're in the air. I mean, underneath you is cool too. If you can have the whole thing encompassed in you in a projection. So if you did wind up looking up.

But you can't, when you're lying back like that, you can't see your feet. You don't know which way is up or down. No. It would make you think that you're on your stomach looking up at what's, you know, I mean, looking down at what's actually up. You don't, your mind is twisted when it twists. You have no reference. Right. So when they move you in there, you are under the impression that's the position you're

in. Well, sometimes I don't know where I'm at when I'm in the tank, when I sort of snap out of it. Have you ever moved? I don't even know where my feet are facing. Yeah. Has the bottom ever fallen out or anything like that? Where you take off any which way or anything like that?

Oh, yeah. You feel like you're flying through space. See, now that kind of stuff is like freaky, but you can't tell people about it because they're going, I don't know. Yeah, you can. Well, you do. I think they froze me out because I used to talk too much about stuff that was probably. Who froze you out? Who's they?

I don't know who they are. The fucking government, man. No, no. Area 51. Those guys don't have nothing to do with me. I'm more of a... That's what you say, but they're controlling you with chemtrails. No, they're spraying it in the sky.

There's nanobots up there. Shit's dripping down. The nano stuff now, that's weird stuff. We won't go there. Don't go there. Yeah, yeah. But this other thing has to do with audio mostly. The audio is what's the...

Yes, and the audio actually made... You had some demonstrations where it made the water move. Oh, the water is moving. It's a cymatic frequency. So we figured out how then to create the patterns of sound. See, we're made out of frequency-based materials. Maybe you, bro. I'm made out of twisted steel.

Sex appeal. It's all in a pile. We're made out of frequencies? Like, what do you mean? Frequency-based materials. Everything is. It's moving. Oh, you mean like string theory, the idea of everything moving at a different vibration?

Matter is comprised of materials, then, that are, you know, unique. Like, your liver is different than your kidney. You know, the frequency of the liver or the material that the kidneys made out of is different. So the cells, then, that would be used for these purposes would... If you could see what they tell you is that the replication of the cell creates a depreciated version. In other words, as you... That's aging, right?

Yes, exactly. What if instead of a depreciated version of the previous one, what if you did better? What if you created a cell that was better? Why wouldn't you if you already understood? But how could you do that? Well, this is going to be a tool.

We have the sensors now. See, I was telling you about the brain thing. The Germans are getting me with a cap. What's the neurons? What's the brain thing? What is it? It's a cap that has electrodes on it. Like a swimming cap?

Well, it's not that way. A diving cap? No, it's got electrodes on it. It's a cap that goes on your head. Okay. They haven't built it for me yet, but I've discussed it with them, and they understand that they can do it based on some testing they've done in a bathtub somewhere. But these sensors then, you see, as they're connected to you, you input information.

See, that's the other thing with the sensory of what's going out and what's going into you and then monitoring what occurs based on this input. This is what that thing is all about. But I don't want to get too deep into it because it's kind of like in the future right now. So your idea is to combine sound with images to essentially tune your body to a different frequency, and that could potentially change the way your body produces cells? Absolutely. That's an interesting analogy of the situation.

But indeed, there's a lot of evidence to evaluate. A lot of evidence about meditation in the mind and the effect on the mind, the physical effect on the brain. And what is meditation? It's tuning into a certain type of frequency, a certain type of mindset, tuning into a certain mentality, tuning into

a certain energy that the mind is focused on, and that that actually has a profound effect on the very brain itself. That's pretty interesting stuff. It's super interesting. So that makes something like what you're saying actually viable. Oh, yeah. No, we have a group of people that are willing to give us the money for that. You know, we have the resources now to complete that, you know, in some sort of period of time once we focus back to it.

We've been trying to get this other stuff done so then we could get back to this stuff. But that technology that we have built and patented as well is extraordinary. And that takes this thing to another level. I mean, this is what it is. And that's why it's so important as well. These vehicles that we're producing now, not only will they be used for this stuff that we've been talking about here in regards to relaxation and so forth else, it will eventually in the future be used also for other health benefits and learning and a whole array of various positive features that this thing could.

Positive benefits of it. Absolutely influence the human. And to be used in conjunction with a lot of other things in your life. Proper diet, exercise, meditation, all these things. Absolutely. That is the thing. There is no, there's all this silver bullet. It's a, like you have to get, it should be, everything is important.

Food, your intake, their mind, your rest or whatever it is. It's all like that. If you can get yourself balanced out, and we have a lot of room for growth. Like I said, we're just getting started as a, I think that the species itself, humans that we are, are just starting to understand a little bit about what we are. We don't know where we came from. It's a very good point. Yeah. Yeah. We are starting to understand.

We discussed it in the previous podcast about just the couple generations between us, the people that lived in the 1940s during World War I, World War II rather, the dropping of the first atomic bomb, and then people before that

in the 1800s. It's just a few generations. You're just dealing with a few 70-year jumps. They now know how this retina works. You've seen this in the back of the head. It's in the 1800s, it's just a few generations. You're just dealing with a few 70-year jumps. They now know how this retina works. You've seen this in the back of the head. It's in the dark where the eyes, they change around the information somehow,

and it comes out there, and then you think it's out there when it's somehow back in here being interpreted. Well, what we were talking about earlier was meditation. There's a study. If you Google how meditation changes your brain, a neuroscientist explains. There was a group of Harvard neuroscientists led by this woman, Sarah Lazar, who's a PhD. And they were interested in mindfulness meditation.

And they reported that the brain structures, the monitored brain structures, change after only eight weeks of meditation practice. Eight weeks of meditation practice and your brain starts branching out in a different way. It starts truly expanding your consciousness. You think of expanding your consciousness as being some sort of an airy-fairy thing. Well, no, it's measurable. It's expanding your mind itself. What is more important than this?

I don't think there's anything more important than this. I mean, it is the premier opportunity to do something for yourself. And if you can expand your mind, believe me, all these people that are trying this, if they tried it in a tank, it would be oh so much more effective. It takes so much. It's like, you know, can you get across the country riding a bike? You certainly can. Can you get across faster if you ride a plane?

Fuck yeah. Okay? And this is the difference. It's like you can get there on a bike. You certainly can. Good luck. Good luck. This is called techno-shamanism.

You know? In a lot of ways. It's a technology to create. Like they said, there's these monks there out there trying to get these theta levels. Yeah. It's like 20 years in a side of a mountain meditating.

Or you could go jump in a chamber and get yourself sorted out and, you know, much faster. Well, yeah, I mean,

I would like to see what those Kundalini masters see when they hit that highest level because I do believe that they can achieve psychedelic states.

Well, and they're doing that. I don't know. Are they? Kundalini people? Well, I don't know. Are they? Kundalini people? Well, I don't know. They are. But some of those monks up there in these monasteries or wherever they're at, they use

these frequencies that they produce with their throats and stuff to affect them somehow. Well, Duncan Trussell knows how to do that. He can do those chants, those crazy Buddhist chants. He has them memorized. It's very freaky when he starts doing it. Does it take him into somewhere? Does he go? In his mind, yeah. He booted his chants. He has them memorized. It's very freaky when he starts doing it. Does it take him into somewhere? Does he go?

In his mind, yeah. I mean, he also, the freeing aspect of chanting and just the harmonizing and saying all those things, you just sort of, like, get into this state of mind. It puts you into this vibe. Duncan benefited tremendously from the tank, though. Duncan has been my friend for a long time. And one time way in the past, he had a bad breakup, called me up from a hotel. He was at some hotel. He's like, dude, you know, my girlfriend just kicked me out. We had this horrible breakup. It just went awful. And I'm like, he was living with her. He's like, I'm literally homeless.

And I said, Hey, come live with with me i got an extra bedroom so duncan came and lived with me and was going into the tank that you designed and he would go in the tank every day he lived with me for like um a few months i don't know how many maybe four or five i don't remember totally until he got back on his feet again but he sorted everything out in that tank and he would tell me about it he was like dude he goes i just can't wait to get back in that tank again every day i just get in that tank and i'm figuring it out more and more he's figuring it out he's not reading what they said or he goes in there and it figures it out i've never met a guy who got his shit in order quicker back quicker than from a devastating

breakup than duncan did was willing to to go in there and and and do the work required to get done with that he also realized what had gone wrong like really quickly instead of like wallowing in his own self-pity or trying to distort reality to sort of just sort of be more easily digestible you know like it was all her she's crazy no he sort of be more easily digestible, you know? Like, it was all her. She's crazy. Yeah, he tried to put the twist on it. He didn't put any twist on it. He saw his part in it as well as the other one and realized. And then from then, he went on to become a successful comedian.

I mean, it's crazy. It's just like a slow build from there. He caught that momentum. But a lot of it was based on going in that tank, having those experiences on a daily basis. It's a fantastic system for people to then access themselves. Yeah. I mean, the rest of it is crapshoot.

You really never know what you're going to run into in there. But you do always have that opportunity to look at yourself. And sometimes I don't even do that. Sometimes I just relax. Sometimes there are times where I'll come home, and maybe I come home from a show, and everyone's asleep. And I say, I just need to go in there and chill for a bit. And I'll just go in there and just chill. I'm done.

I'm tired. I did work. I did shows. I for a bit. And I'll just go in there and just chill. Like, I'm done. I'm tired. I did work. I did shows. I did a podcast. I did some writing. I maybe even worked out already, too. I don't have nothing to think about. I just want to chill.

And so I go in there, and just the floating, man. The lightning of the load, the releasing of all those muscles and the i get out of there and i feel so good i feel so like calm and chill so important man it should be everywhere they should have them every gym should have them community center should have them schools should have them universities should have them it should be just as important as having a basketball court you got a basketball court but you don't have a tank? What the fuck are you guys, are you teaching people shit? You know, you need to get a goddamn tank room, son. Well, we're going to, I think that we're going to do what we can do to make that all happen.

You know, these schools and stuff that these kids are at. Once again, you know, if things go the way that we hope they go, If things go the way that we hope they go, we're all about providing these vehicles for schools and old people or veterans. These veterans get a lot of benefit out of this too. They get that PSD, whatever it is. PTSD. Yeah. Post-traumatic stress disorder. They say that the chamber is the one thing that helps them up.

They're all getting the medication and so forth. But other than that, they don't really have an option. appropriate to offer these servicemen and women that come back and have troubles dealing with the framework of their situation when they get back here. Absolutely. They have the opportunity to go in there and investigate the, you know, because it's already done. You can't go in there and erase whatever it was that's bothering you. But you could go in there and come to terms with whatever it was, realizing it is, it's done. You can't go in there and erase whatever it was that's bothering you. But you could go in there and come to terms with whatever it was, realizing it is, it's done. It is what it was, just like any other problem that people go back to. I mean, at some point, it's up to you to release yourself from that obligation to get upset or feel bad about something that didn't go right

in the past, you know? That's a huge that didn't go right in the past. That's a huge point because people define themselves by the past. Instead of thinking about who they are now, they still look back at a mistake they made and don't just get past that mistake, grow and learn, but dwell on it. I think it defines them. It's the worst thing. I met some guys in a band.

He's a singer. I've only met him twice, two different times, years later. Both times he started telling me about this story about what happened to him when he was in this. And you're thinking, this poor guy has gone on all these years, and he's still focused on the worst situation that he ever had to live through. Yeah. And he's so attached to it. Well, some guys get one breakup and they're done.

Some guys, one breakup in their 20s will tank them for a decade. I've met guys like that. Yeah, you know, I came out here with Sally and, you know, she fucking fell in love with her trainer. Dude. Sally still? Move on. What is that? Ten fucking years ago.

Bro, you know, it changed my life, bro. I gotta tell you, I'm so disappointed. I can't trust women anymore. Oh, you stupid fuck. You know, what if you got mugged by one person you're done trusting people exactly i mean yeah one person was a murderer let's not trust anybody yeah yeah you know i heard about ted bundy i'm not trusting people anymore oh okay great i'm not sleeping tonight we yeah i mean there's definitely pitfalls in life you You're going to run into them. We all are. You can learn and grow if you survive.

You pick yourself up, you dust the dust off, and then you start going. You know, you don't let this stuff, don't let it beat you down. It's also directly proportionate to the amount of hardships that people face in life, their ability to face hardships. You know, and there's a lot of folks that live life on a cushy cloud of marshmallows and bullshit. And then one day something goes wrong. And, I mean, that's why spoiled kids are so sad. Like a spoiled young boy is one of the saddest things ever. A young boy that becomes a man and can't take care of himself,

and his dad has to keep on rescuing him. His dad has to keep on bailing him out of situations and giving him money. I've met guys like that, and that is a crippling affliction when they don't have the character themselves to be able to get by in life. They constantly need someone to help them and bail them out. Even as a grown man, I've met guys in their forties that still need help from their parents. I'm like, what the fuck, man? You're never going to get it right because somewhere along the line, they didn't face enough of the adversity to realize that there's sometimes you just got to get up and get shit done.

There's sometimes where you have to fucking pull yourself up and you have to push forward even if you want to stay in bed. And if you don't do that and you just keep calling on your daddy and your daddy keeps rescuing you, you never develop those tools. You never develop that ability to recognize what you're doing wrong with your life. Because you're soft. You got to cushion you. You got a safety net, a safety net for your safety net i have this friend and she has this uh this friend that she's been friends with uh for decades and this poor fuck his family's super super super wealthy like unbelievable wealthy billions of dollars and he had not only did he had uh he had

a trust fund and a backup trust fund. So he blew through the trust fund, and then he blew through the backup trust fund. Real estate investments and just disastrous business ventures. No character, no discipline, no ability to stick it out, but incredible amount of resources. He had millions and millions of dollars, just pissed it all away. Didn't understand it, completely depressed. And one day he said to her, he said, you know, cause she has children as well. And she has sons. He said to her, he goes, whatever you do, do not give your kids money. Don't give them a fucking penny. He goes,

especially your boys. Don't give them a penny. That ruined me. Don't give them money. And I was like, wow, that's deep shit to be a man, like in your late forties, looking back at your life, this disaster wreckage that you've put forth with the millions you've blown. Now he has like a retail job. His parents fucking abandoned him. I mean, you look at that and you go, whoa, this is wild shit, man. This guy is just still struggling from the way he was developed. From the tools that were instilled in him at childhood and in adolescence. And having that safety net just provided him with a way to stay in bed.

Kept him weak. Never developed character. Yeah. You have an opportunity. Every time things go wrong, every time things feel terrible, you have an opportunity to learn from whatever makes you feel terrible and never allow it to happen again. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you.

Push forward. Don't do it again. Yeah. You know, learn from your mistakes. We all make them. That's where meditation comes in. Recognizing that and solidifying it in your head. And I believe meditation in the tank, which is a more magnified form of meditation. I think it's more intense. And I think that you can really get something out of that. With those sort of ideas in your mind about constant, consistent improvement, and that's the only thing that you'll allow from yourself is to maintain a certain standard, then consistently try to improve. And do that. Do that, and you'll be a happier person. That's an amazing concept there to become a part of of to where you're involved in the construction of your own character.

Yes. Through your own efforts and your own evaluation and then to make the right steps and make the right decisions to become even stronger as you go. Yeah. Engineering your life. It can be done. It's not impossible. I mean you can do it to a certain extent. To a certain extent you can do it.

The world could be a better place, Crash. Right? It's becoming a better place. It's becoming impossible. I mean, you can do it to a certain extent. To a certain extent, you can do it. The world could be a better place, Crash, right? It's becoming a better place. It's becoming a better place. And that's what everybody's part is to do, is to hopefully make it a little bit better. If we could all get on that, just do that together, try to make things a little bit better. Just a little bit better. It would really have a monstrous effect. I agree. And I want to thank you. I want to thank you for coming on the podcast and talking about this stuff. And I really

want to thank you for being this guy who's out there innovating in this almost forgotten business. Because for me, knowing you has been very important. It's helped me a lot. And knowing your tanks and being aware of that there's a guy out there that's pushing it so far and has created this incredible portal. I think of it, I mean, I know what it is. It's a tank filled with water and I know there's a heater attached and I know there's filters and I know, but for me, it's a portal. I get in that fucking thing and I transform.

I travel. I go to places. It doesn't move. It's a mental vehicle. It takes you somewhere. Yeah, it does. It opens up passages in your mind that take you to some pretty extraordinary places. So thank you, my brother. Thank you, Joe. You've been monumental in my life. And I both let people understand what the benefits of these things are, and we both benefit from them as well,

and are generous with those ideas, and spread those ideas to other people, just to let them know, man, I'm not making this up. You can really get better. Your life can fuck it. And the people who, if you're perfect right now, who are you? Who are you, you strange fuck?

I really believe everyone. Lonely. No, I'm just kidding. Everyone can benefit from that. Everyone. So if you guys want to go, the Float Lab is booked up rock solid deep into August. But the Brentwood one, who knows when it will be open? Westwood.

Westwood. Excuse me. You've got Brentwood. Westwood. What's the difference? Where's Westwood? UCLA. Okay. Where's Brentwood? Brentwood is... I. You've got Brentwood. Westwood. What's the difference? Where's Westwood? UCLA. Okay.

Where's Brentwood? Brentwood is... I always confuse those two. I just realized. Which one's more posh? Which one is where... Brentwood. Brentwood is where OJ killed the...

Yeah. Allegedly. That's real posh. It's very posh. Very posh. That's why it was quite shocking. I'm not allowed in that neck of the woods. They don't let you in?

No. I can't get into Brentwood. I'll talk to somebody. Anyway, so we'll let you know when Westwood opens up. We'll let you know on the podcast. Meanwhile, you can follow Crash on Twitter. It's The Float Lab is the website for The Float Lab itself. And do you guys have Instagram too?

Yeah, we do the Facebook, Float Lab Technologies. Float Lab Technologies on Facebook. Please like that and follow and all that good stuff. And we're going to have that chamber to do something with here soon in the near future. Cool. My old chamber. We'll figure out some sort of a contest and give that bitch away. It will be the second time of giving away a chamber.

I'm very excited about that. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow with the full charge. Matt Fultron will be in the house. And that's it. Alright? Till then, much love, big kiss. Mwah!