The Joe Rogan Experience - #535 - Scroobius Pip

Episode Date: August 13, 2014

Scroobius Pip is a UK spoken word poet and hip hop recording artist. Check out his "Distraction Pieces Podcast" available on Spotify.

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! What's happening fella? I'm good man, how you doing? It's been cool to talk to you from the moment you got here, 25 plus minutes ago Been hanging out, we did a lot of talking with Jack Black, who's a very cool dude Been telling us some crazy stories of Russia

Yeah, he was telling us some, Robin Black was telling us some crazy stories of russia but yeah yeah he's tired he was telling us some robin black was telling us some awesome stories of uh these uh russian dudes that uh he partied with these uh sumo wrestlers it was insane is it like what he was saying was like it was so ridiculous the stories of excess and drinking and waking up covered in urine and uh we videotaped it so uh jamie jamie will put that shit up later. But it was really funny. He was a cool dude, man. I really like Robin.

Yeah, good guy. Yeah, interesting guy. From another country he is. As are you, sir. Yes, indeed I am. Yeah, all the way from England. I saw your shit on my message board. It was the first time I saw your shit.

Yeah. Some people put up one of the videos was of you. You're cutting your hair yeah yeah yeah introduction that's a great fucking rap dude that's really fun spent a hundred pounds on that on that video did you that was my complete budget can we play that yeah yeah let's play that let's play that and talk about it brian pull it up it's a intradiction prediction. You gotta tell him I spell it. I can't spell. It's my fault as well for picking a name

that's ridiculously hard to spell and pronounce. Yeah, it's Scroobius Pips, a tough one for Twitter. It's not easy. It's not easy to fit in. Some people, do they try O-U? Yeah, yeah, they try O-U-S, yeah. Hmm, screws.

Yeah. They get it in the end. Eventually. here we go i saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought what did you expect there's no water around this stupid should have stayed where it was wet and you gotta see this hello my name is pip and i would like to speak some lyrics into this microphone that's amplified so you can hear it this piece of diction is the intro to distraction some lyrics Into this microphone that's amplified so you can hear it This piece of diction is the intro to distraction pieces That's all the shit that flies around my head and keeps me sleepless

Such little food for thought my fucking brain feels anorexic So many typos when I write, oh I'll claim I'm dyslexic I've got your poem here, I've put it in this envelope I'm setting fire to it, hope you all can read the smoke Most people where I live don't know me, and I fucking like it Some people where I live don't like me, and I fucking know it Some heads won't know my name or give me a look since I flow kinda strange like Spina Bifida footprints

All comes strange, like final pieces of set-place Nothing's original, I stole this flow from the creator And from some others too, can't pick one now, I'll name them later If I say fuck a lot, well then I may gain more attention If I say cunt, well then with some of you there will be tension I find this interesting, cause in the end they are just words You give them power when you cower, man, it's so absurd But all that was covered by Lenny Bruce back in the day Nothing's original, now I'm repeating what I say

Paralysis through analysis could stop me here But that'd just be an excuse to run in fits I'll brandish the blindest man's anguish with a rambus Directed at the throat of any man that can withstand this Wooo! I'll brandish the blindest man's anguish with a ram fist I see these rappers that say things like no homo and such It always seems maybe the lady duff protests too much

I'm really speechless but I'm speakless than you might imagine Sometimes I stutter and I sputter like the words are catching I'm known to write about the shit most people won't discuss Sometimes my music's too intrusive with their words and such You see a mousetrap, I see free cheese and a fucking challenge But you stay quiet for fear of sticking the balance When it's horses for courses and my horse is distorted Fussy free cheese and a fucking challenge. But you stay quiet for fear of sticking the balance. When it's horses for courses, my horse is distorted.

I bought it for four quick and forced it through horseshit. We walk through these morbid, remorseless discourses and discuss these disgusting new sources. When it's horses for courses, my horse is distorted. That's badass. That is great. That's really fun, man. That's really fun. I really enjoy that. I thought the lyrics were cool.

I like how he did it. It was interesting. It's crazy because we filmed that in just a metal container and the guy we'd rented it off, we didn't tell him what the fuck we were doing because I figured we can only do it in one take because I've got to shave my head and shit. So I thought if we ask ask him he can say no right

if we do it he can just tell us off afterwards and yeah and that's that so as it finished obviously there's tons of fire we're setting and shit on fire and we have to have the doors closed because of lighting oh so in a metal container just burning everything and then i piled out with smoke bellowing and the guy just walked past and just went pip i don't even want to know and walked on i was like good man good man you've saved the day what a great scene you're coming out of a video shoot your head's shaved your head shaved and the fucking door opens to a storage container and there's smoke bellowing out what a great scene. That's rock and roll, man.

That's some real shit. It's the beauty of directing all your own videos is you don't have to do health and safety shit. You don't have to tick that off. There's no one to say you can't do that. It's like, yeah, we can fucking do that. It's true. How did you get started rapping, man? Do you consider that rap?

Yeah, kind of. I mean, I started off in spoken word. So I started off just kind of with no beats. But I was into hip hop. And again, a lot of people hear spoken word and think that sounds shit, basically, and poetry and that. But I was exactly the same. Well, spoken word has potential, right? Completely.

I mean, what do people like? I mean, people love. I have a dream. Yeah. I have a dream is goddamn spoken word. I mean, Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech. mean people love i have a dream yeah i have a dream is goddamn spoken word i mean martin luther king's i have a dream speech is why i always refer to it as spoken word rather than poetry anything else because that's the most literal right you know i mean a really an intricate

stand-up set that's like one piece that's a whole story that's that's spoken word it's just does the word poetry does poet does that have a bad connotation like a pretentious connotation people kind of think you're a dick. Yeah, you're a dick, right? If you say, I remember I was at the comedy cellar in New York and David Tell's on stage and he's killing. And there's this snotty fuck in the audience. And for some reason, the guy took offense to one of Dave's jokes and says something. And Dave's like, well, I'm sorry, sir.

I'm just up here trying to do some jokes. What do you do for a living, sir? And the guy goes, I'm a poet. Published. And I'll never forget that. And for a year, I was saying that to people.

I'm a poet. Published. For ages, when trying to get insurance and shit like that, I'd try and explain what I do and then just go with unemployed or self-employed. I ain't putting poetry on my thing that's i'll never forget that asshole i'm a poet published and he had like fashionable clothes on and shit you know he's just oh he totally lives at home still with his mom i bet david tell doesn't even remember it but i remember

it it wasn't even me that got heckled. Fuck heads. But yeah, so obviously I'm not in love with poetry. I started doing it because I was in kind of like some punk bands and shit like that. And I got sick of relying on drummers, their mum giving them a lift to practice. And the bassist can't make it because he's working a night shift and shit like that. So I was looking at what I could do and succeed or fail on my own like i love the buzz of the fact that if it went well it's my fault if i fail i can't say oh it's this other guy's fault that's a real problem with bands huh yeah eddie bravo was trying to explain to me like the trials and tribulations that the average

band goes through and i was thinking about it when we had the conversation like i never even thought about that before but dealing with all those egos together and and then also some people that are just undisciplined yeah completely some people aren't as passionate about it as you are or it's just a fun thing for them and equally like accepting gigs and shit and shit like that you have to ring through like four or five other people to say can we accept this gig it's like yeah it's awful to me yeah that's kind of why i started doing spoken word um yes so i could do it all off my own back It was just a hate of being in bands really You know what I like about what you did too?

For whatever reason There's a lot of guys who speak a certain way And then when they perform rap It sounds like an urban black guy It's very strange It's like what happened That you had to start doing it like this Because that's not how you would talk in real life miss It's you know, I was raised in the hood, but I'm strong from what you know

It's there's there's like it blows my mind that people the most common thing that people say to me after shows and that is like Oh, you sound exactly like doing record. It's like because this is my voice. That's This is me talking this yeah there was an article recently about why uh people with british accents sing in an american accent you know i don't remember what the fucking conclusion was i barely paid attention i looked at it i'm like who cares they just choose to you know you can choose but if there's a difference between an English guy choosing to sound American and an American guy choosing to sound British. Because if an English guy comes over to America and loses his British accent,

nobody's going to give him a hard time about it. Yeah. But if an American guy takes on a British accent, get the fuck out of here. Madonna can live in London until her tits fall off. You're not British. Cut it out. Lindsay Lohan. You cut it out.

It's true. You cut it out, Madonna. Don't give a fuck if you bought a house there. That rich bitch, she bought a house there just so she could talk in an English accent.

I just want to be one of the lords. Come on. I am Madonna. I am a dancer slash singer slash superstar. Was Madonna knighted?

She should be. Her and fucking, what's his name, Elton John. I was listening to Slash superstore was Madonna Madonna knighted. She should be and Fucking what's his name Elton John? I was listening to Country comfort on the way over here just randomly sometimes like my iPhone syncs up with my car I just play you know how does it sometimes I'll just play a random song and it just started playing It's on one of my playlists, but that Elton John song, Country Comfort, that motherfucker could sing his ass off. God damn, Elton John's good. You're just like, there's so much emotion and power in his songs.

You know, it's just like, it takes you right to what he's singing. It's about grandma needing help to fix her barn, you know, like this. And you're seeing the whole thing play out. You're seeing fields of wheat and butterflies and an old lady and elton john's a bad motherfucker does he sound like elton drum when he sings that's not really right it's kind of it's not really an american accent though is it it's kind of hard to say it's hard to say because the when you're singing you're you're extending these words i mean he's saying farm and it's taken him like 10 seconds. She needs some help to run the farm.

Nobody talks like that. I've got a stutter, so I do kind of talk like that. This might end up being a really long podcast. They're normally three hours. This will be like six hours, seven hours. Lock yourselves in. Yeah, singing's a weird thing, man.

Singing's a beautiful thing. But spoken word to music is a very different thing spoken word to music it's very lyrical um uh lyrically uh dependent that's the word for it it's like that was what i really enjoyed about your stuff is it was very clever i could see that you put a lot of thought into your lyrics and what you're you know and i love the thing about lenny bruce it's like you know you you covered it in a really cool way it's kind of and then you could also tell it was one take yeah it's it's trying to whenever i'm writing it's the main goal is to make it interesting to me kind of thing and that's what i think confuses me about a lot of hip-hop when it is all just talking about the same thing it's like i'd get bored performing that or doing that over and over again so it's kind of you know what that exists i

think in every art form i bet it exists in rock and roll i bet it i mean i know it exists in comedy you know there's there's certain subjects that guys will cover when you can tell they're covering it because they think that the audience wants to hear that yeah and it's not like what's actually interesting to them yeah i can't imagine getting excited finishing a line or finishing a piece that's just exactly that kind of oh i think people will yeah enjoy that well there's a lot of people that do do that though it's weird like those hit maker guys who like sit down they write these songs that they know specifically will hit like a target nerd see i understand that because because they're writing

that for someone else to have to perform and sell their soul every night to kind of sing and get through i can understand that because they're just going i'm gonna write this and make a fuck ton of money and then hand this over to some other guy to wasn't there a hope up there and wasn't there a band where the lead singer was like one of those guys that would like write songs for a lot of like train didn't Isn't that what I'm thinking of? No, but what was that? There's just what the fuck was trained there was this one Band fuck. I'm not gonna remember I'm not gonna remember but I remember this guy as big as the one he writes the songs for well He made one that he released himself. It was pretty recently. It was a big hit. But it was like one of those songs where like, I't, you don't even know why you like it.

Like there's this, there's this old Leonard Skinner song, The Battle of Curtis Lowe. Yeah. You know, and it's one of those songs where like you, the battle, ballad rather, of Curtis Lowe. And it's one of those songs where you hear it, you don't even know what is going on that this song is just captivating me in such a unique way like

making me emotional like making me feel that moment you can tell when they feel like yeah i've been written i like that like one of the things i liked about when that song interdiction kind of blew up was no one kind of noticed for ages that it's not got a chorus it's not got a hook right it's not got anything and it was kind of but people didn't notice that because they were kind of captivated and into it and didn't think about all right you meant to kind of go verse chorus verse bridge you know this kind of shit so it's kind of nice when that works and you can tell it's just here's just just what came out and what yeah it was natural but you pieced that together right like that's a

piece like you started working on that you developed it do you when you when you do something like that and you develop a piece do you write it all out and like what like how long is that whole song it's about three and a half minutes or so three and a half minutes yeah and do you do you develop it at three and a half minutes do you add to it along the way like is it completely written before you ever get to the stage um yeah it's all completely written before i get to the stage a lot of that song in particular i mean i'm noting stuff on my phone all the time um and just yeah i'm making note of just good lines or good ideas or topics or subjects like maybe you have like a new line that just pops in your head and you want to add it just making i mean in in my notes always

i'm going to have something awful in there now um but it'll just be notes even if it's just even if it's a line or a turn of phrase i've my last note was saying about how loads of rappers at the moment are going on about going beast mode and beast mode being a thing i've just written one saying do one about going depeche mode he said that's literally there's no lyric there I've not structured that yet right right right it's just right I'll do something with that

so then on a song like that because a lot of my songs are stories as well though so but one like that it's easy to go through all these kind of weird little ideas or phrases or

even like bits of philosophy and shit like that just to go right I'll put that in there right right that's the coolest thing about creating your own stuff right is that you could just decide yeah what goes in you could decide and it's just i mean the thing that i buzz about it the most is that you don't know what's good

until you put it out there yeah i genuinely on on that one there's a line uh you see a mousetrap i see free cheese and a fucking challenge right um it was just one of loads of lines and then when that came out it's the one that everyone was going crazy on and everyone was tweeting it's like i had no idea that that was the standout because you're so in in it that you yeah yeah it's got so much you're putting together so that was one of many standout that whole thing there's a lot of great lyrics in that but yeah that's definitely a standout part of it. That's really cool, man. I love anything like that where it's like one guy piecing something together, whether it's music or whether it's a book, like talking to an author about creating a book. Or whether it's a stand-up comedian creating an act or a guy writing a movie or anything.

It's just there's something about that creative process. It's just, there's something about that creative process. And there's so much more now where that's so much more acceptable and doable because of the internet and because of being able to get whatever your one passion is out there that you can kind of just be, it doesn't have to be a team of writers, a team of people doing this and that. You can find a lot more people who've got that just one vision and then just, yeah, see what it turns into. Yeah. Yeah. yeah see what it turns into yeah yeah and when you like have this one thing that comes out of your own mind and you put it together and you it's like we were talking about this with comedy like when somebody becomes a pip fan like you're the only one that can give them that stuff yeah like then it's then it's they're looking to see what comes out of your head yeah you know it's

crazy as as as well though and again i'm sure it's the same with stand-up it's that weird thing of all of it as much as you put into it it's just what you think at the time so like but then it's committed to record and that's that so right five years down the line my opinions or views might i'd hope my opinions and views will change in general a lot not on everything but i think it's important to develop ideas and philosophies constantly so it's then that weird thing that people will have got that that first record and being have listened to that one phrase or thing over and over and it's become their kind of mantra and then you're like yeah i kind of i'm not into that as much anymore i'm kind of i'm

into this shit now this is what's going on now and it's it's weird how that yeah that can be the the the thing that you can either give them what they need or you can't if you know what i mean right it's natural development hip-hop seems to be in a way a lot like stand-up comedy in that it's kind of generic in term yep but it's very broad in terms of content it's very different right stupid people who say i love comedy or I love hip hop. Yeah. You love specific comedy and specific hip hop. There's loads of shit comedy.

There's loads of shit hip hop. There's loads of shit spoken word. I like good comedy hip hop. So, you know, I've got my specifics I like. So, yeah, it's another one that a guy I work with sometimes, Sage Francis, was saying in an interview recently, it's got to the point now where when people talk about hip-hop, you can't assume that they're talking about the same thing as him. And again, I think that's because it's so broad.

There's such a variation in there. Yeah. Yeah. There's a giant, broad variation. And it's interesting. It's like if you went to a club and it just said rock and roll, you'd know it would be rock and roll. But if you went to a club and it just said rock and roll, well, you'd know it'd be rock and roll. But if you went to a club, just said music. Well, hip hop is like, it's such a very specific type of music,

but inside the genre, there's like a bunch of different variables, right? Yeah, hugely. Again, when I first started off and I was touring about and trying to get my name out there, I'd struggle to describe what I do. Because if I said hip-hop and people instantly thought of 50 Cent or came because of 50 Cent or Kanye,

it's like you're not going to be happy with what you get. Or equally, they might be put off because they're not into that. And it's like, well, this might not be... Right, they might think that you would be affecting a certain type of behavior. Exactly. They think I'm going to speak in an American accent and be...

Are you allowed to say wigger? Is wigger a... Wigger. It's okay to say wigger. Wigger. Has it become an issue? It doesn't seem like it. You can call someone that,

and it's not like dropping an N-bomb. Right. Even though it sounds a lot like it, with a W, you're allowed to let it slide. It's fine. And don't have a heart attack. But there is that kind, and then a W, you're allowed to let it slide. It's fine. And don't have a hard time. It softens it. But there is that kind.

And then there's what you're doing, which is like a completely different thing. Like you're talking and you're making shit rhyme, but you're also making statements. And it's very entertaining. But it's a form of hip hop. But it's a very different form of hip hop. Yeah. Yeah. Completely.

And it's key. The entertainment part is key as well. Because I think a lot of people who do the more conscious stuff it's just like yeah it's a lecture you know i mean you're kind of just being fed this and it feels like they're trying to get across just how intelligent they are and all this i'm kind of in all my stuff it's trying to open up discussion rather than say here's the beginning and end of of this subject it's kind of saying look here's some shit that we should maybe all think about a bit more or discuss in music or culture in general more but not trying to say i've got all the answers here's yeah here's my shit i think yeah yeah i love the fact that there's so

many different genres in hip-hop now because i think that uh i've always been uh a fan i'm a fan of all kinds of different like i'm a fan of your style but i'm also like a big fan of like old school ghetto boys yeah yeah you know completely i've got a radio damn it feels good to be a gangster came on the radio the other day and i was like fuck this is the shit this song is the shit my favorite thing is when i'm in la is because you've got radio stations that just play just old hip-hop and proper kind of hip-hop all day long. And yeah, I don't have that in the UK. I miss Scarface.

Yeah. Was Scarface still putting out shit? He put out a new track like six months ago. Damn, I need to get back into Scarface. I forgot what a good rapper he is. The diary was just... Damn, it feels good to be a gangster. And that album cover with the guy's eyeball hanging out.

Yeah. We can't be stopped. Ghetto Boys, with the guy's eyeball hanging out. Yeah. We can't be stopped. Ghetto Boys, man. That's Bushwick Bill. Shot himself in the eye. They were the craziest. Yeah. That was some fun fucking music, man.

My mind's playing tricks on me. Joe, when I was in Florida for doing comedy just last weekend, there was this fetish con going on. And so it was like Mark Maron and Chris Hardwick and a few of us just all hanging out at this bar watching all these freaks. It was like being at like a AVN with dominatrixes and people in gimp suits and stuff like that. Wow. And there was this guy that was dressed up as a woman with a face mask on, and she just stared at us and didn't move. And the face mask had this creepy smile on it.

And it was the most disturbing thing ever. I have a photo of it somewhere. All just fetish people? Yeah, just fetish people. And then in Jacksonville, I went to this borough bar, and there was a band that was about to start in the next room. And out of nowhere, this band jumps off stage and goes into the room, the bar area that we're at, and starts playing right into the crowd, like jumping on the tables of the bar and stuff.

And then at the end, they caught the cymbals on fire. And that place was like on fire. It was the most intense, amazing band I've ever seen. And it was just like a band. I just popped into a bar and saw this amazing band and so if you should check out a video sometime of them it's they're a really interesting band but it's cool seeing like live what do they call again uh their name is doc hold on I want to make sure I say this right doc uh suey or something like that it's uh spell it here I'll get it to you well to

people online that are listening yeah yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah here. I'll find it I find the proper spelling. I'll be right back. Okay Alright, um, I don't know where the fuck we were going before you just derailed here. It's a sure sorry. It's D AI K a J you and you thought that's grubius pip was tough, huh? Yeah Yes, we did and here's actually them playing outdoors, which is completely different than what you'd normally see. But the lead singer, the guy right there in the face mask,

has the same mask that was at the Fetish Con that was just staring at us the whole time. Wow, this is kind of wild If you could imagine them in a small bar and things are on fire. Standing right in front of you with that mask. These guys are good. That guy's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. Imagine if you couldn't hear and you didn't hear sound and you were trying to figure out what the fuck.

Make this totally silent. Imagine if you didn't hear sound and you see all this moving around and see all these people staring at these guys just playing with these sticks in their hands you'd be like what the fuck is going on on that stage why is everybody watching that like it's this it's a weird gig man You're creating cool sounds with a stick. You get this big piece of wood. You're creating wild sounds with it. That's really interesting.

Here's how I saw them. They're just walking around the whole entire bar. Wireless. And they could be different guys. These guys get cocky. They fucking put a mask on a new dude fire him that's perfect and it's good to see there he's he's learned and moved up to wireless because clearly the cold was restricting him in the first one as he wanted to to go and run around here's him on top of the bar he was like doing this that's cool one player he was like just leaning me, like sitting on my lap for the most part.

That's wild. Yeah. So check them out. So they don't sing? No, they just jam like fucking crazy, dude. That's wild. Like Hendrix style almost. That's wild.

Yeah, so their name is D-A-I-K-A-i-j-u i like that man i like that idea that's pretty cool i love that they've got a harder name than me that's right that's even though you spell it out twice now i have no idea what their name is man arnold schwarzenegger is the good fallback it doesn't matter it doesn't doesn't mean shit it doesn't mean shit, but yeah Yeah, it's a weird thing and it like the names it's important to write the right the right letters and words I can never tell if it's it's it's like if The doors is a good name or it's a good name because of the doors Jeremy and if some right if you were some shitty gig and the local band and the doors never happened and they were called The doors it probably wouldn't be as as awesome as it is right now

It's isn't it fascinating though the names are about picking a pleasant sound Yeah, that you can remember and that's easy to replicate with letters Like if you have too many like what is this dyke? Oh, what the fuck is this? Get out of here with that shit, dude No one's gonna remember that shit and you go more about it now because of the internet because if you pick a name that's too familiar then when you google it you're gonna get yeah you know some crazy yeah whatever it is you've chosen yeah right restricted yeah especially if you and what is how does it work when you hear bands have the same name as other bands? I never know. I guess someone has to argue it.

You know, like the Love Assassins. Like this must be like more than one Love Assassins. The original Love Assassins. You know, I mean, I just made that name up, but I'm sure it exists. I'm not the first person to think that way. Yeah. Right. That's a path.

It's like, that's like looking at like a section of street and trying to imagine that no one ever walked down that. It's impossible. Somebody walked down that. I might not have seen it but it's happened so like how many different guys can come up with something like the love assassins you know you've just got to become the biggest love assassins out there yeah you gotta be the biggest ones then that you're who the love assassins like do you think there was another Kiss? You know, Kiss seems like... Seems like there's got to have been. Had to have been.

At least one other band thought about becoming the name Kiss. So probably if somebody's kind of retired or not as popular now, you could just be like, hey, no, my name's NWA now. And just because you're more popular, you could kind of would win at that argument, right? I don't know, man. I think that's probably trademarked because it's such a huge business. But I think i think like when you're first coming up and you don't have any legal paperwork that's when it's only an issue because like if you try to be jimmy hendrix today they'd be like shut the

fuck up bitch ain't jimmy hendrix but no i'm that's my new name is jimmy hendrix i'm jimmy hendrix but they would be like no jimmy hendrix you can't be a musician and be jimmy hendrix there's a fucking there's a copyright on that shit. But I could be Milli Vanilli. Well, no one wants to be, so I bet they would just let you. Yeah, if you tried to be Milli Vanilli. But I bet not. I bet someone owns that shit. Like, say if you and Jamie decided to go on tour as Milli and Vanilli,

and you started doing with, like, you would lip sync, and other people would sing the songs, you'd get your ass sued. Yeah? Yeah, for sure. What if you only did like the the vanillies part even vanilla they probably own millie and vanilla they own both of those yeah yeah they own it don't you think they own it rick ross well rick ross is different because rick ross the original rick ross was not a rapper i mean that's the whole reason why he has those t-shirts

that say rick ross is not a rapper he was just unsigned he rapped all the time in the shower i bet christmas time he was rapping well he was a notorious drug dealer and uh genuine nice guy i really like rick ross he's a cool guy he's got a book out now by the way if uh if anybody's interested um that's right rick has a brand new book and people have been asking us to get him on the podcast again, and we definitely should. Rick Ross' book, just give him a plug, the real Rick Ross, freeway Rick Ross. The Untold Autobiography? Yeah, The Untold Autobiography. That's what it's called.

And he's got a fascinating story, if you're interested. His story is he was the connection between the Iran-Contra affair and selling drugs in Los Angeles. He was one of the connections. He was being supplied by a guy who was channeling that money that he made from Rick Ross directly into foreign operations. It's crazy. The whole story is crazy. And the dude, when he he went to jail didn't even know how to read okay and in jail taught himself how to read then became a fucking legal expert and found the loopholes in his uh in in his prosecution where they fucked up found holes in the prosecution's angle, and got himself off, got himself out.

They had him in like a three-strike situation, and he got out of that because it has to be three sentences. It can't be three crimes. It has to be three sentences. And so they prosecuted him for it illegally. It was incorrect use of the prosecution. It's kind of weird, though,, then that he wouldn't have educated himself or potentially wouldn't have educated himself in such a manner if he hadn't been,

been put away. So it's kind of, it's odd to come out of that with, you know, improved and better. And yeah. Yeah. It is a fascinating case.

It's a very fascinating case and he's a very good guy. And then after, you know, put up with Rick Ross, are you using your name? Yeah. Well, he sued him and lost which is really crazy i mean when we'll have him on i'm sure he'll be able to tell us i don't know if they're uh continuing the lawsuit or maybe we could google it right now it's a weird one with that because it's more of a regular name jimmy hendrix that's that you know you're not going to hear that every day. But Rick Ross, it feels like it would be a tougher one to sue over.

Because, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, Rick Ross wins lawsuit against Freeway Rick Ross. Wow. Freeway Rick Ross lost his lawsuit against rapper Rick Ross, born William Leonard Roberts, on First Amendment grounds. The case, wow, First Amendment grounds the case Wow First Amendment grounds freedom of speech so I guess you're allowed to take on the persona of a known drug dealer because it's like it's a persona so it's like artistic expression I mean what is that it's like Bonnie and Clyde shit you

know like I call myself Bonnie and Clyde yeah Yeah, but if they were alive, would you be able to, you know? Yeah. But the full name, Rick Ross? The real Rick Ross knew about the entertainer's stage name since 2006. Oh. The case originally began in 2010 and later appealed to a higher court after the lawsuit was ruled untimely since the real rick ross knew about the entertainer stage name since 2006 so the idea was that the first time it was ruled untimely because he didn't act quick enough you know but i think that there was there was some issues the real rick ross said where he had talked to rick ross and like he was going to be compensated for

it right and then remember he said he was going to be compensated for it right and then remember he said he was going to chop it up with him remember that he said we'll chop it up we'll chop it up like he was going to give him some money and then he decided not to and then decided to go to lawsuits with him so i'm fucking shady business that had explained why he took time over it and why he got around to that but yeah that and now that is a very different sort of a hip-hop yeah yeah completely but again it's a hip-hop i love as well i'm hustling it's that mistake that people think that just because i do a certain kind of hip-hop that i think every kind of hip-hop should be like that it'd be boring as hell if all hip-hop

was like that you have to have the variation in the genre and yeah how much do you think the real rick ross should get paid by the fake rick ross like if you were the judge half depends how much the half holy shit that's crazy that's like being married that's too much maybe 10 though 10 might not be a bad number it seems fair say 10% seems fair. Look, he doesn't even have to rap. He lets that dude use his name. That dude makes him more popular. Here's the thing about the real Rick Ross. I was being emotional. Sweet.

You're a sweet guy. I like that about you. But here's the thing about, like, think about the real Rick Ross. Like, we know about the real Rick Ross because his story is fascinating and we've talked to him and he's an interesting guy. But we also know about the real Rick Ross because the fake Rick Ross got famous as fuck with the same name yeah so how much would you know about Rick Ross if he wasn't getting fucked over by the fake Rick Ross I submit not nearly as much I submit that quite honestly the the real Rick Ross has benefited substantially from the fake Rick Ross using his name.

And it actually makes him even more legit because this fake fat rapper who used to be a corrections officer is using his shit. I think the table has kind of changed a little since the fake Rick Ross has now become who he is. He's like, you know, big. He is now a huge moneymaker so now 10 i think is completely fair and everyone should just be happy and have dinner together they're not gonna go on tour together but the real rick ross the real rick the original drug dealer rick ross is benefiting substantially like publicity wise to being connected with this i mean he has an amazing story on his own but the reality is that this story is made more compelling

by the fact that there's a guy running around stealing his name. He's benefited from it. It's really crazy when you think about it. And I wonder if what the cult thinking of the time of it was that when he probably first heard of this rapper Rick Ross, he probably didn't think it was that huge a deal. Right. But then when Rick Ross becomes one of the biggest rappers in the world, then suddenly that's a change.

Do you think that's part of it? Or would he always have been trying to fight the name stealing? I think he always, you know, even when he came out of jail, Rick Ross was famous. Yeah. He just wasn't as famous as he is now. He's become really super but yeah it's completely his book i'm sure wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for well the story is amazing the story itself is amazing yeah i mean he was a tennis standout

in high school couldn't go to college because he couldn't read so he was an athlete and was like stranded in this terrible neighborhood didn't know what the fuck to do. So he started selling drugs and became this giant drug dealer. He was making like some insane amounts of money, millions of dollars a week. I mean, he was just making just stupid money. And it was all being funneled to the United States, all these covert operations overseas in Nicaragua. It's crazy. I mean, it was the whole Oliver Stone, the whole Reagan Contra affair.

And what the fuck's his name? Oliver, what's his name? Stone? No. Oliver North. Thank you. The Oliver North situation. These guys on trial in front of the fucking entire country.

No one's ever seen that shit before. And Reagan, they're asking him if he sold arms to other countries and shit. This was all part of that same era. The same era of all this crazy shit going on that we're finding out the government's involved with. And one of the things was selling drugs in the Los Angeles neighborhoods, the poor neighborhoods, and taking that money like the CIA was selling drugs. And our late great friend, Michael Rupert, who passed away recently, Michael Rupert, who was a narcotics investigator for the Los Angeles Police Department, he uncovered that

shit. They did that thing where he stood out in front of that press conference. They have this press conference and he yells out in front of that press conference. They have this press conference. And he yells out in the middle of this conference that he knows that the CIA has been selling drugs in Los Angeles communities. And that he's caught them. I mean, this guy says this. That's crazy. On television.

And the whole crowd filled with black people. They start cheering. They're all excited about it and it's like he's just standing up and like what a fucking crazy prick he was yeah we've been following the latest you know with the anonymous and uh the whole shooting of that kid oh that kid in st louis yeah that's ugly man that's ugly the kid in st louis is ugly and there was the other kid in the the walmart that had the fake gun yeah just like what the fuck is going on man you know there's an old expression but it's a

really valid one is that when the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail yeah yeah and that's the problem with this society that we have when people you know you give them guns and you put them in situations where if they make a bad call someone dies you know if they make a bad call if they freak out someone dies a huge difference to have that they have that on you and yeah as an option but it's also like i don't know what the options are because if you take their guns away from them and then ask them to enforce crime in a place where a lot of people have guns, boy, is that even feasible? It's like disarmament seems like the choice that like the really cautious people would choose. Like everyone needs to just give up their guns.

But that's never going to happen. Like people have to accept the fact that there's always going to be people that keep illegal guns if anybody tries to do that. And they'll be doing it with, in their mind, the full approval of the Constitution. Did you follow what happened in Australia? Like when they've got rid of, changed all their gun laws and got rid of guns and it was seen as it couldn't work. And they've not really had any incidents since. They've changed their gun laws because they used to be exactly the same as america i don't know all all the statistics

on it but they used to be the same as america then they had one really bad major like uh shooting a shooting and um they changed their gun laws as a trial a thing i think in this particular state or area and it's maintained and it's worked. Again, they had all the same thing of people saying, you can't take people's guns away. And they did have people protesting and against it. But then a year on, kind of everyone's... The problem is, I think you trust your government a lot more than we trust ours.

Yeah. Because our government likes starting wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And our government has a history of not being honest with us. Our government has a history of trying to suppress us. And particularly, I mean, it seems for every, on a yearly basis, for every huge story there is of a member of the public going out and killing people, doing a shooting, there's then a police story of it as well. So it kind of fuels them both. I was tweeting.

That whole thing of, well, if we don't trust the police, then we need to be armed. And the police, exactly the same as you've said, if they're policing an area where everyone's got guns, it's kind of people need to come to an agreement and that's not going to happen. Well, it's also a problem whenever you have a group of people that become sort of responsible for the actions of an individual right if you have a hundred cops and one cop does something really fucked up then cops are pigs you know and all these other cops get lumped into this one group instead of it being an individual that

was in a position of power that did something fucked up it's the cops so then it's the cops versus the people yeah And that's madness. You know, that's all madness. The guy who shot that kid for sure is a piece of shit. You know, he fucked up. But that's not saying that cops in general... Yeah, it doesn't mean... I mean, who knows what's going on through this guy's head.

The other thing about these guys, a lot of them have PTSD. Yeah. They have like... You know, you talk about PTSD for people that go away and they fight in wars and they come back. Well, a lot of those guys that do that become cops, first of all. When they come back, it's a good gig for a soldier. You're already used to being in the shit.

It's probably mild in comparison to what you've seen. And, you know, you probably handle stress better than the average person. It's like if you're looking for a gig, it's probably a good gig. But it's going to make you more comfortable pulling your gun as well, right? That's true too. And, you know, you you also used to i mean especially if you had to have active you've actually been in combat you know if you've been in combat you've you've definitely shot people if you definitely shot people to be easier to shoot somebody again

and you're also probably your senses your whole sense of like what's on the line would probably be much much more like sharp than a person that's never seen people killed. Like you're like, you're like, this could happen in any second. You better stop this before it happens. You have like a much shorter, like line of bullshit that you'll tolerate.

And that's, you know, that's if you're in a war zone, that's to be expected. But that war zone becomes the streets. If you have the same attitude and you're dealing, but it's just going to happen that way. When you have people and they hate each other and there's a group here and a group there the cops and the citizens and you have a situation like this things will be flared up for years now

it's annoying how it has to be such a group thing and these people against these people there was a song out about two years ago now so kind of just before the all the trayvon martin stuff happened and it was called a film the police and it was a rewrite of nwa fuck the police and it was just calling everyone to like we've all got phones now it's saying right the police are policing us but there's issues so rather than being less rather than being a fuck the police being just make sure you're filming stuff and there was just a huge backlash from people in support of the police saying no this isn't fair and it's like well it's not saying that film the police and catch them all up to shit it's like the good ones won't be doing anything bad so it's not it's not a negative a thing you know but if you're if you're

using more a watching the watchman as it were kind of thing then it it starts to then police itself and hopefully i don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of filming police no and i think there's also a lot of evidence that when police are forced to wear cameras that film all their actions there there's a the thing about the right yeah the uh allegations of abuse dropped by 80 yeah and someone actually said this though yeah it's because people can't claim fake abuse now like somebody actually said to me on twitter i'm like or cops know that they can't fucking do douchey shit because they're wearing a camera yeah it's great again i mean cops are people there's good ones and bad ones completely in the uk

you realize now that there was a time when the cops were the best of the best but that's not the case anymore there's there's a variation there's some people who are genuinely good citizens trying to make this change but i knew people who who worked with me in the record store and didn't get kept on and became a policeman instead it's like you you couldn't do retail and now you're policing the streets kind of thing. That's crazy. That's not the best of the best that it should or was. Being police should be like being the night's watch. Yeah.

It should really be like you're the guy who's guarding the top of the wall. Yeah. I mean, that's really what it should be like. It's like it should be a revered position of noble people, you know, martial artists, people who are, are you know they actually want to do good have a code and politicians know like we all complain about how all the politicians are kind of scumbags it's like that's because it's not appealing job like normal people wouldn't it's not appealing being a fucking politician this could you imagine to be the mayor or something they said pip it's your

time it's the worst nightmare imagine if that was like the draft. Like you just get drafted to be the fucking mayor out of nowhere. We like your lyrics. You're going to be the mayor now. You're like, what? And they fucking show up at your door with accountants. You got to go over the budget. Like how much you want to spend on medication?

What? How much you want to spend on the government? What? It's crazy. How much you want to spend on sewage? What? Spend on sewage? Yeah, we got a water bill.

We owe Colorado. What? Yeah yeah fuck all that man and that's the problem because everybody says fuck all that and the only people that don't say fuck all that are the ones who can make some some money from it or can be or hopefully are really dedicated to trying to help people you hope but good fucking luck good luck with all that especially in this day and age we're gonna need some dust to settle it's a mess i mean it's just with the whole politics thing you need i don't know i kind of argue with people on online about this all the time because i think the way your democracy is currently set up and our democracy is currently set up there's no chance of any real change like anytime soon because it's a gradual it's slight changes either way but nothing else is discussed we need to protect

the ideals of democracy and it's like well why yeah i think there's i mean there's i'm going completely off on tangent now but there's there's hundreds of different kinds of ocracy and kinds of ways to run a society number Number one, our democracies we've got aren't real democracies. Right. They're kind of, it's the two-party system and all this kind of thing, so it's not a real, we just vote and that's who gets in. And they're often being funded by the same companies. Yeah, exactly.

It's the same thing. Incredibly ridiculous. But there's loads of, I mean, I was just discussing recently, and it pisses people off because it kind of shows a level of elitism that people are scared of. But I think going on stuff based on a meritocracy and stuff like that where, say, your vote would be worth more than the guy who's sitting at home in a trailer and doesn't know anything about politics. But isn't that dangerous, though? That's kind of dangerous when one person's vote is worth more than another person's vote.

But it depends how it's measured. So, for example, my theory on it being if when you go to vote, there's a short questionnaire on politics or on social or on society or something, and that ranks what you're worth. But isn't that subjective? I mean, first of all, there's just information. Like, you could have information about politics. That's one thing. Like, you know, when was Eleosevelt this when was more on policies on policies and what's what's actually valid at the moment because then even if people then just bone up on it to try and cheat the system that's

good they're reading about what the policies are they're learning it rather than just going and ticking a box that their family have always supported republicans therefore that's that that's a good forcing people to have some level of education in it to make their vote worth more Yeah, maybe I'm hanging on to the idea that Everyone should have an equal vote and that it shouldn't be like an earned thing and you earn it by having an education about the system There's a great quote. Not a bad idea. There's a great quote that says We're not all entitled to our own opinion we're all entitled to our own informed opinion because again everyone quotes that thing of i'm i'm

entitled to my own opinion so well no if if someone's done more research on it and knows about it then there's there is right and wrong you can't just argue well that's my opinion i'm entitled to it on a lot of issues yeah there's some issues where it's not there's some issues where it's just a subjective judgment. One person would agree. One person would disagree. Like there's certain issues that people are very, very passionate about that you have polar opposite people absolutely dedicated to their opinion and won't budge.

Yeah. Like abortion. And that's a great thing. But then it's an informed opinion. It's not just a kind of. Sometimes not even though. Sometimes there's not an informed opinion. Sometimes people just get on a side and that's their side. kind of sometimes not even though sometimes there's not an informed opinion sometimes people

just get on a side and that's their side stuck on that side it's crazy but that's people that's a super common thing that's a super common thing to like take on republican talking points or take on liberal talking points really common or the bible's the the key example of that where people are just blindly well that's that's that's my belief yeah and therefore i will fight any arguments against it despite any logic and theories and yeah and reality yeah that's a big one that's that's a common one because you know that's one that has been used for so many years by so many people and it's become just a well paved path that everybody could walk on it's a great structure and set up our first song that um got big like when i was working with a guy daniel sack was called thou shalt always kill

and it was just a rewrite of commandments it was a load of commandments for now and i'm not religious but the reason i think it hit through with people is it's a load of commandments for now and i'm not religious but the reason i think it hit through with people is it's a simple structure that you all know and are familiar with right and that's why it works for religion as well as in a spoken word hip-hop song it's kind of it's that simplicity of you know the stories and the structures therefore you can get a point across that isn't about a religion but but by using those that's more about society and people but using that template of of what religious people have laid down for us yeah what religious people have laid down and you know the variance in like how much they vary from one to

the next like how much judaism varies from islam varies from christianity how much they borrow from each other like somebody's wrong somebody's wrong well let's just break down like what you guys are actually what what are we supporting here are we supporting the idea that there's a guy and this guy watches over everything and he made everything he's allowing all this crazy chaos and he told us once a few thousand years ago how to live your life and if you don't pay attention to what the fuck he said back then, you're on your own. And so you're forced to be led by a bunch of people. He sees these people.

He sees their hypocritical actions. He does nothing. He allows them to distort his message and relay it in this most fucked up way that's ruining the earth itself. And still, he doesn't come down and correct anybody. Like, this is what you're saying? Yeah. It's crazy. Are you sure?

Or is this puzzle far too complex for our brains? come down and correct anybody like this is what you're saying yeah it's crazy are you sure or is this puzzle far too complex for our brains is this like an ant trying to understand a satellite because if you try to get an ant to understand a satellite it's outside of his realm of comprehension and i think we have a realm of comprehension whether we like to admit it or not and i think the very nature of the universe itself is currently outside of our realm of comprehension or at least the realm of comprehension of the average person me included but faith has got to be the most not dangerous word ever made but that's that's the thing that the argument would always be well

you know we were left here and we've got our faith that God's gonna do this and do that and it's all all, but I've got my faith. It's like that's a massive get out clause for any argument. Yeah. Well, you've never, you can't see this person. You can't prove anything. Well, not only can you not prove it, but you're having faith in something that it looks very much like bullshit. Yeah.

You know, if you look at the stories, you read that a guy came back from the dead. He was dead for three days and then he pushed a rock aside and came back. Okay. Oh, yeah. All right I believe that okay. This is Adam and Eve's there's two people and then they fucked and what happens they have kids and then It's time though, right? Accepted because everyone kind of jokes now and mocks Scientology because of the ludicrousness of loads of what they say, but it's ludicrous because it's new.

If it was thousands of years old, then people would be the same with Christianity and just kind of go, well, you know, it is kind of ludicrous, but it's our faith and our belief. Christianity is ludicrous. Yeah. If you have conversations with hardcore Christians about whether or not Christianity is ludicrous, they'll argue with you about why it's not and what these stories really represent and how the message of God comes through these stories. I think it's crazy

that there's such a mixture as well in there. There will be loads of Christians that know that all that stuff is kind of bullshit but they believe what they believe and they believe their do you know what I mean? That they're just stories and all this kind of thing. Well there's all sorts of levels right? Within your own belief system, there's such a variation.

There's people who would sit here now and go, yeah, that's fucking crazy. But they're devout Christians. Yeah. There's people that just believe in God and they feel like the Bible is sort of a framework for good behavior that was laid down by this holy entity at one point in the past and that although the stories have been twisted and weird and you know that a lot of these stories they probably represented something something important a long time ago and so you're getting these this connection to god like through a game of me in that game of telephone i don't know if you played it in england but you you would tell a friend something and then he would tell a friend something and he would tell friends by the time it

got down to brian the story was dog shit it was all fucked up and i think that the idea is that in in the uk it was called chinese whispers which sounds incredibly racist but that's what it was it was called chinese whispers it wasn't that's that game anyway a telephone is a far better name for it let's yeah stick with that but that whole idea is that at the end of that is god at the end of that is god and yeah the story got fucked up but the the story did get fucked up but that story has a direct connection to god and the way that direct connection works is that at one point in time, there was something where someone was explained the very nature of the universe. And then, whether it was through psychedelic drugs, whether it was through an actual religious experience with a divine entity. And then from that point, what happened is that person told another person, that person told another person.

They did their best to remember everything that the people before them told them but if you got through all that goofy shit all that Adam and Eve stuff and all the fucking although the more weird and ridiculous and preposterous stories in any religion if you got through all that and went back to the source you almost are still connected in some sort of a weird bizarre and maybe like a Like an off like almost like a mathematical way you're connected to the original story Yeah, you know there's original story the original story turns into this his memory fucks it up It turns into that like is it correct at the end just in the translations as well though the trend like this Was all written in a language that is dead and people to very translate and change things like that and it's like well well there's two of them too far away from there's the

the oldest version that they found is the stuff that's in kumran that's the dead sea scrolls yeah they're some of the same stories that are in the Bible. So these are the oldest versions by like a thousand years. And I think they're the only ones that are in Aramaic. It's in Aramaic and it's written on animal skins. It's fucking crazy. They pieced together the Dead Sea Scrolls with DNA. They made sure that they got the DNA of the same cow. So they knew if it was the same cow, it most likely was the same piece of paper.

Because they were all different cows and different pieces of paper. And they had to figure out which animal skin, because all these crumbs and pieces, and they had to piece them together over decades, man. It was madness. And that is what all the faith and beliefs are based on. And they just found this shit, man. It was in like 1947.

They found, again, there's that old, I think it was in a TV series in the UK. There was a joke thing of they found the original first page of the Bible just saying that any resemblance to people in real life is purely coincidental and so on and so forth and that it's just a book of fiction. Yeah. It's just some found old thing. Yeah. And the best version of the world,

it would be get to the end of the Bible and it just says, psych, we were on mushrooms. That would be the best version. Be far better. Love David Copperfield. Psych. Made it all up. Yeah, in 1946,

a collection of 981 texts was discovered. Between 46 and 56, took some 10 years in this area in the West Bank called Qumran. And they were found inside caves about a mile inland north of the northwest shore of the Dead Sea. Really interesting shit, man. Nine of the scrolls were rediscovered at the Israeli Antiquities Authority in 2014 after they had been stored unopened for six decades following their excavation in 1952.

The texts are of great historical, religious, and linguistic significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of works later included in the Hebrew Bible canon, along with Deuterana, wow, Deuterocanonical? Deuterata, Deuterotomy? Is that the band? Is that the band? Deuteroc, you know, this is how, like,

my wife was saying this to me the other day. It's interesting when you're raising kids and you're teaching them how to say words and, you know, you have to spell it and you see how it's difficult. Well, when you learn a new word like this, like, you know, you have to spell it and you, you see how it's difficult. Well, when you learn a new word like this, like, you know,

that was Deuteronomy. I could just say it and it would be easy, but I'm trying to figure it out as I'm saying it, like a little kid, like that's kind of never goes away. Deuterocanonical, Deuterocanonical, an extra biblical manuscripts,

which preserve the evidence of the diversity of religious thought in the late Second Temple Judaism. Interesting, interesting, interesting stuff, man. Yeah. From 408 BCE and 318 BCE. Man, they don't really know, though. It's crazy that the Bible is just a collection of stories and not one. Do you know i mean that wasn't written as one thing you kind of think of it as the bible but saying that parts

of the stuff on the dead sea scrolls were stories included in the bible and yeah yeah just pick 408 bce wonder what the oldest known that's the um the old that's the range the the so the uh oldest one they found was 408 bc i wonder what the oldest version of the hebrew bible is if you had a guess uh 40 years shut up bitch that's ridiculous what do you think like the oldest version of the hebrew bible i don't have a clue 3 000 years because i um i assumed that actually the Dead Sea Scrolls were from earlier than that. I'd read something that must have been incorrect that said it was older than that. Okay.

The oldest surviving Hebrew manuscript, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, 2nd century BCE. Well, this is Wikipedia, and it's giving me a different date. Because they were saying 4, like 408, right? Was that the longest version? So that is like the oldest version. It's the oldest version of the Hebrew Bible. Or the oldest version of the stories that are in the Hebrew Bible.

Yeah, amazing. Imagine if you can go back to those dudes who wrote the Bible way back then and you could bring them in a time machine to 2014 and show them the havoc that they've created. Have them explain, yeah, what was... No, that's not... They've missed the whole page out there. Just have them tweak it a little.

Well, it's so weird that it gets translated into different languages. Have you ever done one of those things where you take Russian and you translate it to English and you try to explain what the fuck they mean? Their language is so different than ours that it always comes out like he gives to country but fails not. Yeah.

Like what? You know, there's like, there's a weird, weird interpretation of, of languages to English. So you got to think you're going from a weird language like ancient Hebrew, which was, um, they used to have like their numbers were embedded in their words. So like there was no So there was no numbers. What if it just started off as memes? What if we're just going back to how the language back then actually was just we all talk like a meme back then. Like you just said, that sounds like a meme almost.

Like I go back home with letters. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the Bible. You're not even paying attention to what I said. That's like if you take Russian and interpret it to English. Right. That's not what I'm saying. The, the, the, just the ancient languages, like when they tried.

The fact that they've got that translation and the original thing they're reading is just so old and they're using DNA to kind of piece it in the right order and all that kind of thing. Yes. Mostly guessing, right? Well, no no they're not really guessing you know i mean there's definitely pieces missing but when they have stories that are like when they translate part of the story and the story is like very similar to like book of genesis or something along those lines yeah they can sort of make those correlations if they have enough similarities you know but there's a lot of those stories that are like that man like that when you go back to the oldest shit that cuneiform

that the uh sumerians used to write in oh it's so weird looking man it's like these these there was no like variation in the like the way their letters were their letters were all like these little lines so they'd go down to like pull this up like cuneiform ancient sumerian it's weird weird shit man they would write in this more easy google searches here yeah simplest yeah it's um it's cool to look at lines right yeah it's like it what it looks like is like a wedge that you would like if say if you're chopping down a tree you gotta stick a wedge in there like yeah yeah it's like they're more like wedges than they are like right it's not like a straight line yeah it's like there's a fat top and then it goes down to a lower bottom and they see this is how they

wrote like look at these things how weird is that yeah it's like all emojis yeah it's so it's so weird I mean it's sort of like it's so hard to imagine how different that is. Keep that up so we can look at that shit for a second. Look how weird that is. Like, that's their language, and they write in these little columns. Yeah. And so much of it just to us looking exactly the same, looking at similar shapes and sizes.

How can that have the intricacies of a language? Yeah, if you like if you looked at that that looks like dog shit like if you had your whole life to figure out what the fuck that means yeah good you would never figure it out you'd never figure it out so it takes like a team of linguists to piece this together and here's the crazy shit they don't even know what the word sounded like there's a bunch of words in ancient Sumerian fucking guesswork. There was a thing that someone had done where they had recreated what they believe ancient Sumerian sounded like.

But it's so dead that no one can even talk it. Yeah, of course. How can you even start to conceive how to pronounce the scratch ins that were on that thing then it's so weird well I don't know how they do it I don't know I know that they have like this is what it looked like this is the language yeah I guess some of them oh this is year by year well let's make that a little larger so we can see it it's a year by year like scroll down so you get to the top to the top to the top we see 3200 BC 3000 BCE and then you go all the way to the far right and it's just all the lines a thousand

Yeah, Wow those weird lines man That's interesting. So this was like 8-bit and this is like Xbox They pretty much updated it to a better language. No the other way around other way around Yeah, yeah. Well, I know it's gonna be be partly down to the a better language no the other way around oh other way around right yeah yeah well it's got to be be partly down to the the methods in which they were writing like if like they couldn't have done more intricate stuff if you're scratching into clay into clay and stuff yeah they also would make these rollers they would make these rollers and then they would lay out clay and they would roll the roller into the clay and then bake the clay so like the roller itself would be like a method of distributing like a newspaper

yeah like you'd be able to roll that shit and you put it in the clay and then you could do it several times yeah yeah so they had these weird things that they used to do to make these clay tablets. So you kind of have to make the newspaper yourself, as it were. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I remember hearing, it's crazy, the first adverts ever made were musical notes

and that printed on the product you bought and you had to sing the advert yourself. It's the first ever jingles were on cigarette pack packets and that but in those days um because yeah there wasn't any radio and stuff like that and in it in those days everyone kind of had a piano or could could could play shit and yeah the first ever jingles were printed and written out and people would sit around the piano and play the the camel cigars wow that's wild it's the origin of jingles which is the original jingles was advertising hey pull up uh sumerian cylinder seals and you could see these things that they used to do where they used to

lay this clay down and roll their message out on the clay and i guess like if you probably wanted to get a message to somebody you would send a seal you send one of these cylinders and then yeah they would lay the clay out and they would roll the cylinder on the clay and it would read out what you had to say to them oh that's sweet isn't that wild what would you think this is like hey those are the bird well i think they you know, you know. It's a range and a meeting, isn't it? That represents UFOs, Brian. Don't you get it? Look at the griffin on the bottom.

UFO. That's an alien. See those squirrely things? That's DNA. So what that represents is the alien came down from Skye. And Leo's rule. And the griffins are awesome birds looking freaky lion things. And what are those lions on the top is

like a male lion and a female lion is that what's going on there yeah they're like high-fiving oh they're doing knuckles it looks like this is the the number one culture that the uh ancient astronaut theorists point to they love this stuff because it was so far ago you like who fuck knows you know so long ago who the fuck knows what was really going on? But these people in ancient Sumer, they had all this like they were really in the stars. They had all these images of like the galaxy. They had a depiction of the solar system with all the stars or all the planets rather in the correct orbit. It's really interesting. It's crazy.

Yeah. Pull up a Sumerian solar system Pull up Sumerian solar system. Ancient Sumerian solar system. Is that horses having sex? It's one goat looking one way, one goat looking the other way, and some crazy thing in the middle going, what do you want from me? Everybody's banging everybody.

It's an important message to have had to send. We need to commit this to Cylinder and get the word out about the way that goat was looking yesterday. Well, it's like, have you ever made a note on your phone and you couldn't remember what the fuck it meant like at the time you're like i'll understand this so many times like i'm waking up at night and thinking i've got a lyric or an idea just noting it and then looking and going what the what is it that you wanted um sumerian solar system yeah there's a there's an image of the sun in the center and all these planets that are floating around the sun and they're all in like the sort of uh similar uh sizes like see

see how it's like that similar to what the actual planets are that's what it looked like in but pull it back so you actually see the the image of itself, the actual cylinder image. You just had it. Oh, you couldn't see it? No, the image, the actual image of the, there's a clay image of it. See it on the right? That's it. Okay.

Either one of those. That's the actual image. And if you see that right there, that's the solar system. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. In between them, there's the sun and those circles. Those are the exact planets. And, you know, the bigger ones are bigger and the smaller ones are smaller and they're all in the right orbit. It's really weird.

Yeah, it's weird. Most likely, what they think is, you know, when I've listened to many people give their opinions on these kind of things and how do these people know what they knew and what. I'm of an opinion that most likely at one point in time, people were really fucking smart and they had gotten really far and they had learned a lot of shit and they had lived for a long time. And then cataclysms happened. They got hit by asteroids. They got hit by, you know,

super volcanoes, whatever it is. And whatever was learned was forgotten and they started all over again. And they probably did it a gang of times. And people who kind of argue against that will say, just, yeah, would they have, like, why aren't there cameras or whatever? But I think the very nature of that theory is

there's no chance at all that their intelligence would have developed in the same way as did. The technology wouldn't have developed in the same way they could have been far superior yet never invented petrol or used electronics electronics any of that so that kind of yeah it makes sense of it's our own arrogance now of going but you know they didn't have tvs so the fuck they can't be that clever how are they clever they haven't got tvs that's so true it's so that's such a good point and you know i think that people from england have a bit of a better perspective of time than people in america because if you're in london if you go through london you'll see thousand year old buildings like you don't see that shit in america a wedding in boston once and I had a day's spare, and I popped into an antique store.

And it was all the 50s and 60s. And it's like, that's not an antique store. You go to England, the antique store is hundreds of years old, all this old stuff. But there it's like, this is antiques. This is like 80s. This is a long time ago. It's like, no, that's not what an antique is, my friend. Yeah, there's bars in London that are like a thousand years old, right?

Yeah. That's so crazy. The whole place is, it's so different. Like when you're passing by the palace and you look at that thing, you see Buckingham Palace. You're like, well, that's a palace. It's right here. They have a palace. It's another thing in LA.

When driving around, I see a lot of the houses that are kind of castle like, and they think that that's what a castle looks like. It's like, have you been, have you been to a castle? Cause castles aren't really, castles aren't just houses with a little square bit on top. It's kind of,

they're these built out of rocks and these huge things. And yeah, it always entertains me over here. The yeah. All the different castles. It's like this. Isn't it weird that they sell castles like you can buy a castle yeah like you scroobies pip could go back to england

and buy a goddamn castle i want a castle now who do i need to talk to about this i don't know we need to find the guy and connect you to him because i i've watched some one of those home and garden shows you know know, where people work on houses. Build you a castle or you buy an original, an old. They had an old castle and they were trying to do an addition, add on to the castle. And they had to fight tooth and claw to get it. They wanted to put a garage in or something like that. Fuck off.

You can't. It's a castle. But he's like, it's my castle. I'm like, nope, can't do it. And so they eventually can't do it until they eventually let him do it a clicker for the drawbridge so when they pull up it can just come on help me out like an rfid card they put on your license plate as soon as it recognizes you're driving and opens up the drawbridge no one else can get in there's loading there's a few different castles in England that are hotels now, and you can just go and stay in a castle that is hundreds and hundreds of years old. I've done that before.

And it's, yeah. Yeah. Imagine owning. You can, though. I know people have, I've heard of people that are famous people, like, buy castles. It feels so rude to put a TV and everything in, though. Like, you're in this old castle, and you're, like, kitting it out. Yeah, you should not even, like, you really probably shouldn kitting it out. Yeah, you should not even like,

you really probably shouldn't even have electricity. No. You should just breathe. Everything should be candlelight. Yeah. If you're going to do it right. I mean, that's what England's basically like anyway. It's all ye olde and candlelit.

I know that's what. Is it really? That's the image that we give out. Check this out. You can get some castles right here. What kind of castle do you want? All castles? Yeah, what kind of castle do you want? What do you mean?

It's like a website? Yeah, it's a real estate website. Wait a minute. One of them says the castle's 1,000 pounds. A million. Is that a million pounds? Is that what it says? Yeah.

What's a pound as it relates to a dollar? At the moment, a dollar's... So that would be about 1.8 million. So 1 million pounds is 1.8 million? That's a pretty good deal for a castle. Yeah, that seems crazy. It seems like castles are one of those things that really wouldn't depreciate

very much. No. You could get a castle in Transylvania. Yeah, and does it come with a vampire? Fuck that. Do you want to have a castle? What do you weekend? Oh, we go to Transylvania after it will yeah and then does it come with a vampire fuck that's 47 do you want to have a castle where do you what is weekend oh we go to transylvania we have a summer home i bet wi-fi would suck in a castle it's probably non-existent you probably

have to have satellite internet i mean you might not even be able to get that i guarantee they haven't laid the lines down unless this castle's been used by people for a long time i i drove through uh transylvania on our last tour and it just feels like the most underused like that they should put a dracula disneyland or some shit there yeah right and it'd be the most that'd be a huge tourist thing you go through and it is eerie and kind of run down and really no economy going on there and you just think it's transylvania for fuck's sake surely that's the most surely that's the most marketable real location it blows people's mind to find out that that's a real place that's not just a fictional thing in a book it's like that's they've got a someone needs to go there and build

a tourist resort dude you should do it you should do it. You should do it. You should contact their tourism board. I'll remortgage my castle and I'll see if I can open up Transylvania. But doesn't it seem like that would be like a dope idea? Yeah. Yeah. And you think of loads of kind of – where you have these amusement parks and things like that, it's normally in kind of shitty areas

where there isn't anything else anyway because you don't want that in the middle of a town. Don't say that about Anaheim, sir. Is that? That shit's rude. Orlando either. But it makes them a destination. Oh, yeah.

Orlando's a big-time destination just because of those. And if you, like, what kind of, like, if you had, whoa, how about this? If you had a fucking spot where you had, it was like an amusement park, but it was all horror rides. Everything was fucking terrifying.

Like, they're doing an American Werewolf in London maze at Universal for Halloween, which I will be attending. Every day. See that shit.

That's going to be fun. Do it on mushrooms. But could you imagine? It's like an amusement park purely for adults. An amusement park for adults in Transylvania that's all horror. And then they set up the entire location like they have fucking speakers in the woods where you hear horrible howls in the middle of the night while you're sleeping. They scare the fucking

shit out of you you know everywhere you go like people are instead of like you know when you go to Disneyland

you see dudes are dressed up like fucking you know Mickey Mouse and Goofy and you go by Goofy's kitchen

and Goofy instead of that you have dudes made up in like full horror outfits like terrifying just sprinting out of nowhere just out of nowhere they dive in funny and then take off into the bushes they don't

they don't fuck with people they don't hit them but they scare the shit out of you i guess when you're going there though you'd have to sign so much shit to say you're not gonna punch anyone oh what if someone jumps out of you they have. I think this is like a camp where you go camping, but it's a horror camp. Oh, great. It sounds like a recipe for murder. It's probably really annoying. Well, if you were like a crazy fuck

and wanted to kill people, like Jason style, wouldn't you want to do it at this camp? That seems so appropriate. Yeah. There's a big thing in the UK now where they have kind of these zombie tour things or whatever and like it'll be in an old shopping center or something you'll pay to go and be part of it and it will be all actors kind of just jumping out and chasing you as

zombies and you'll be yeah living out the zombie apocalypse yeah again all of that just feels how many of those actors get punched in the face or or someone just reacting in panic and hurting people what they really need to do is make real zombies i mean like have an artificial real zombie have like what you do is you make like i'm making a fake person that's not really a person it's not a person it's dead you show it's got it's a shriveled up brain but it can move and it comes at you like it's going to bite you, and you have a sword. And there's like hundreds of them, and it's like a new amusement park. And this is when bioengineering gets to like a really high level.

Like, you know, it's been said a million times, but the phone, the processor that you have in your phone was far greater. It's far greater than the processors that put people on the fucking moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay? So imagine what kind of technology they're having today. far greater it's far greater than the process is to put people on the fucking moon yeah right okay so imagine what kind of technology they're having today they're starting to develop all these artificial cells they can artificial skin they're going to develop artificial body parts it's going to get to a point where about thousand years from now you're going to be able to make zombies and no everyone's going to know it doesn't have a soul You can just chop this fucker up. I'd be carrying a zombie donor card to say that when I die, definitely, just turn me into a zombie. But I'm saying artificial.

I want my family to have free access to it. People are never going to allow that. See, that's the difference. What you're talking about is an actual person that becomes a zombie. What I'm talking about is a constructed artificial person that never had the potential to be an actual person. It's made entirely in a factory. What I'm talking about is a constructed artificial person that never had the potential to be an actual person. It's made entirely in a factory. There's no soul whatsoever, but it's made out of an artificial flesh with bones.

It moves at you and it's trying to bite you. And what do you do? You fucking sword fight this bitch. On the notebook of people who are working on making clones and shit, how far down do you think clone artificial zombies is surely they're first going to be a lot of my ideas especially my more poorly thought out ones a lot of them require like some sort of a demise of civilization for them to be valid and this is one of them we would have to have some serious casualties we'd have to devalue life in a way where like today i like it as the answer though when people are against cloning yeah and the the dangers of it and they're not a real person and the risks of playing god it's

like well no we're they're zombies we're only going to make them we're not going to have them thinking and acting we're just cloning's all right as long as we're making brain dead zombies essentially well if we really just decided to start cloning people, that would be a huge issue. Could you imagine if people just decided that they wanted to make more screw beast pips? Yeah. What if they got a hold of your DNA and they made a bunch of them and you didn't even realize they did that

until they were like 15 or 16, then you meet them, and you're an older man and you're meeting yourself at 15, there's like 20 of you, and you're like, what the fuck, I'm not even responsible for my own self growing up and they come in there to wipe you out yeah and they're using your name

they can be our only one using your name they're all Joe Rogans a ton of Joe Rogans House of Cosby's they all look exactly like you they all have your fingerprint is that what the real

Rick Ross and Rick Ross thing actually is is it a clone thing no they don't look alike at all the real Rick Ross is actually quite lean god damn it

the fake Rick Ross is the one. If cloning came about and you had the choice of doing it yourself, would that be of any... Why would I want to clone myself? I don't see how I'd benefit from that. It'd just be me. I don't get it. If it came about, surely you'd have the rights to your own DNA.

Surely that'd be a key thing rather than me finding out and bumping into a script so it'd have to be i would have but you would find out that when you sign your terms of use when you got your iphone that you gave up your right to clone yourself and that they own you yeah so every time you like use your phone a little bit of your dna gets in you from your earwax gets into the speaker and then you turn them in and then it's make copies of you it'll be some scam that they expose on cnn or something if they're making iphones they're taking iphones then using them as dna collectors yeah they're making copies of scroobius pip yeah well i think we're gonna wonder at one point in time we're gonna wonder what is an acceptable way to consider how to engineer our civilization, both as our society, how we govern ourselves, how we have laws,

how we distribute money, and then also how we breed. There's going to come a point in time when people become super, super intelligent and far removed from this weird sort of ape like situation we find ourselves in today yeah and if they get to that point one day they'll be like look how much should we be investing our intellectual time into actively breeding people the way we do every other animal that we have under our control i mean the way we breed cows the way we breed dogs we should we just keep doing this whole thing on love or should we just love everybody and breed according to the best way possible to enhance the human race is that but

surely that in turn just involve cutting down breeding hugely because surely the biggest problem of the human race is that there's far too many of us to fit on this that's true but planet with that boiling pot of having far too many of us it's like it sort of highlights the reason why that would be a terrible idea because there's so many variables that make society awesome and all of them come from completely different realities like the variable of the computer geek is a very different reality than the variable of a pro football player which is and very and all these variables Like in in biological variables to like as far as like the way your body works

Might lead you in one direction or another like really your desires And that's what makes this whole world so fucking cool and crazy in the first place So could you imagine if we got so far advanced that we decided to start genetically and in goals? So far advanced that we decided to start genetically engineering. Selecting the end goal straight away rather than everything that can influence. And in doing so, we lost all art. We lost all of it. Because it's not functional. Well, because everybody's perfect.

Everyone's perfect. No one has any emotions. Everyone's rational and logical. There's no more art. It's over. We're super advanced. No art and no strippers. It's killer. We're super advanced. No art and no strippers. It's killer.

Well, we'd have robot strippers. And then we would slowly start to devolve and people enjoyed robot strippers more than they enjoyed meditation classes. Memory injection. They're not real. You just have like a Netflix of like memories like, oh, I just fucked that stripper.

Well, I think there's definitely going to be a time where you're going to be able to download memories I think that's I think that is without a doubt what we're seeing with these google glasses what you're seeing is the beginning like you could take photos with google glass right yeah you can look at things you can take photos well if you can look at things and take photos what are you doing when you're taking a photo you're capturing time you're capturing a moment it's just not the best version of it but it's way better than a painting and that's how they used to capture time everything that's here now pulling it into exactly exactly but it's very two-dimensional it's right in front of you well it'll eventually become three-dimensional and then one day it will be immersive one day you'll be able

to record and not just record a single image like we're this is the baby steps one day you know this is like when people started first started to figure out a fire you know and that what that led to is the combustion engine i mean think about that all the way up to plane travel it was figure out fire all the other shit comes up after it yeah what we're seeing now by being able to take a photograph with the glasses we're capturing time in a very rudimentary way, but really, for us, amazing. Well, one day, we're going to be able to capture everything about it. The way your seat feels, the way your hands are sweaty, the way your beard itches, the way your clothes fit. You're going to be in that life.

So you'll be able to take someone's memory and just run whatever it is, an hour program, a two-hour program. People will be able to upload their sexual exploits you mean that's going to be legit we should remove the point of needing a memory as such because if you can just access it all if you know i mean it'd kill our ability to actually remember stuff because you don't need to sure the same as how google already and now there's there's so much that you don't need to learn or take in because you can really quickly see who was in that film and what else he was in. There's that kind of instant thing. Yeah, absolutely.

I think the first thing that's going to happen is there's going to be a search of your memory starting from a certain period of time where you're going to be able to access what you had said in the past or did in the past. And it's going to be more searchable to the point where I go, what did I say last night around 10 o'clock? You said at 10.01, blah, blah, blah, while standing at this location. And you know what I mean? Right, right, right, yeah. You're going to have Google for yourself. Yeah, you'll be able to ask it what you did, and it'll be able to pull it up.

It's going to ruin the fun of arguments, though, right? Yes, it certainly has. When you can accurately say, no, here's what you actually said this isn't rather than no no no no i didn't say i never said that i meant what i said was this no let's where were you last night that's the next logical progression right because it's google's already ruined the bullshitter's argument and people bullshit about stuff you go wait a minute let me google that bitch that's not true like how many of those conversations have happened since google where those guys would have been insufferable fucks forever? Completely.

It's weird. I always enjoy it in football or soccer, as you guys insist on calling it. We don't insist on calling it anything. We wish it would go away. We wish it would pop. These white people in America would stop pretending they like soccer to appear more interesting. Hipsters. Fuck off.

For years, they were pushing for goal line technology and all this to see if a goal definitely happened and right the main guy in charge his argument for not having it was one of the best things about this sport is arguing over that shit and i love that i love that as a kind of that's i was like that's the best logical reason i've heard that it's better not knowing exactly like it's a referee's decision and then the next day you're like that clearly went over the line this is yep that's great that's part knowing exactly. It's a referee's decision. And then the next day, you're like, that clearly went over the line. This is... That's great.

That's part of sport. That's a big thing in baseball. You shouldn't have it all perfect. In baseball, it's so boring. But they love to argue when someone's safe or out. And they'll fucking play that foot touching that bag a hundred times. And the guy catching the ball and the foot touching the bag. They'll play that shit over and over and over again.

That's a terrible call by the referee. I disagree. From my point of view view i think it was the right call technology is just saying no here's the answer that's that was out exactly it takes all the fun out of it it takes a little bit of the fun out of it especially goofy sports goofy sports you know it's like it's uh it's a strange thing our obsession obsession with scoring. I mean, it's really kind of, we have a built-in need for war and a built-in need to conquer and a built-in need to form tribes, to go on after other tribes. We figured out a way to do it peaceably through sport,

through organized, high-level athletic competitions. We have our team takes on your team, and if we win, we drink and we run through the streets. Woo-hoo! Do you think there's then an intentional thing in sports like i mean in mma everyone talks about is the 10 point must system the right system like do you think there's an active thing of well yeah because everyone's having this discussion and talking about it and engaging about this fight rather than oh you know it'd be best if we actually knew who won and who... The problem with that is sometimes the scoring system is so bad and so ineffective that it leaves everyone feeling like they get robbed.

Yeah. You see, I think the scoring system works. It's just you need better understanding from the judges and from all of that. I think, again, almost any system, if it's clear enough and the people understand it then i agree with you in some ways but i um i also think that it's just not a comprehensive enough um system to have 10 points because mma is not one sport see if it's boxing thing about boxing is did this guy use his hands better or did that guy use his hands better yeah this guy did well then he wins look we got he scored 100 you know punches he five you know of them

were this and ten were that and thirty with any you go over these these statistics and it's kind of clear who won who got the round it's not hard to figure out yeah but when you start factoring in things like takedowns and then things like leg kicks and things like submission attempts and you have a quantify what's more important whether it's the strike or the takedown what's Take downs and then things like leg kicks and things like submission attempts and you have a quantify What's more important whether it's the strike or the takedown? What's more important is it more important this guy landed five punches or is more important that guy took the other guy down and held On to him and did nothing and different people are gonna have different opinions

It's very subjective and when you you're dealing with something like a ten point system one guy's gonna get ten one guys gonna get nine Like oh, it's very screwy. It's you need more you need you need like a scoring for ground Right so scoring yeah all the way across each one Yeah There should be like a score for everything that happens in the round and there should be like 10 9 for each event Like if they're standing up 10 9 John Jones Controlled the stand-up But then John got it to the ground, and it was 10-6,

because he almost submitted them, beat the shit out of them, controlled them. You know, when it came to takedown defense, you know, this guy got that. You know, and you could have it like that and then count up the score. But then that would be tough. It's actually a good idea. If they're on the ground for a small amount of time, but that time they were on the ground, this guy scored that guy.

Right. Then if they've got 10-6 for that, that was like 30 seconds. No, because if a guy goes to the ground and it's only for a few seconds, it's not going to mean anything. Right. You have to have a submission attempt for it to mean something. So if the guy just went to the ground and he got back up,

it'd probably be a 9-9. If a guy takes you down and get back up and you get immediately back up it maybe not be even but it's pretty close to even i just think that if a judge is properly educated on it then they'll be able to come closer and take all that into account and know that yeah that takedown there were three takedowns but he didn't do anything while he was down, or they got up straight away. And I think if there's a greater education on the judges, they'd be able to work that system. I wish I was English just so I could say straight away and say it like normal and proper. And that's a proper fight.

No, you're right, but I just think there's not enough variables. Or I think there's too many variables, rather, and enough uh accounting for those variables in the current scoring system why is it that they bring um herb dean and all these great uh refs into each of these places yet it tends to be the judges are more a local thing and local why couldn't they have the same they have with the judges a kind of elite here's the 10 best judges who are specialist mma not doing a box in one weekend and kickboxing or wrestling another weekend only do mma and therefore be more well that's the local athletic commissions have the say on who gets to referee who gets the judge and uh this it's an issue that

we deal with when we fight when we have events in certain places that don't have a lot of high-level fights. And so you'll have local judges that were appointed by the commissions, and they're on television, and they're doing a terrible fucking job. And they do things like they get too involved, they have too big egos,

so they get in the way of the action. They tell guys to fight, and the guys are fighting. They become a distraction. Instead of enforcing the rules... But that seems to happen a lot less like it seems to be they'll bring they'll tend to choose the bigger refs for big events for big events it's critical if you have a big fight you want an Eve Levine you want herb Dean you know you want Josh Rosenthal before he went to jail yeah you want big John McCarthy you want somebody who's not gonna fuck up you know my god are in the UK great I did is

his course on his seminar on refereeing and and judging and I think he's just yeah marks great it's got such a good similar to herb in the kind of the calmness in the cage of knowing that yeah yeah there's a lot of good guys in control yeah yeah yeah it's a hard gig it's a lot of good guys now. He's in control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a hard gig. It's a very hard gig. It's very difficult to make the right decision, and you have to be on top of the action. You can't let someone get hurt,

but you also can't stop a fight too soon, and you have to be very knowledgeable. There's a lot going on there, you know. It's a very, very stressful position that doesn't get a lot of reward. Like, people don't appreciate when they're really good, but they get very upset if they're bad. And it's an easy job for everyone that isn't get a lot of reward like people don't appreciate when they're really good but they get very upset if they're bad and it's easy it's an easy job for everyone that isn't doing it to do it's easy to sit there and go ah there you go that's yes wrong but that's that's that's absolutely true it's um you know but that's true with a lot of things you know

watching it from the outside it looks like it would be easy but doing that it's way harder than what i do what i do is tricky but it's not nearly as as hard as being a referee i think that's way harder those guys people get mad at them man they stop fights too soon dudes push them guys fucking scream at them you know like and they have to build a control shit too you know yeah like when when things are going down and you know if guys won't get off of each other and they won't stop hitting each other that's why i get nervous when i see female referees and big men like so say do you think experience in the cage is key for a referee because again i always feel the people like the people that have actually fought or have trained on on judging refereeing, surely that would benefit your ability to know when someone needs helping

or needs protecting rather than having not experienced it and kind of being outside on it. I think that's a good point. I think most definitely having some high-level training, most definitely understanding when a guy's in a bad position, like when a guy's neck is about to get hurt, when a guy's arm is about to snap. When Herb Dean stopped the Tim Sylvia versus Frank Mir,

Frank Mir broke his arm, and Herb jumped in and stopped it. He heard the snap, and he stepped in and stopped the action. Tim didn't know, and it wasn't tapping. Yeah, he wasn't tapping, and he was still trying to keep fighting. He knew there was something wrong with his arm, but he didn't know exactly what it was.

I mean, that's because Herb has grappled, he's fought MMA, he's a very high-level martial artist himself. So he knew there was a bad situation. But say if that was someone who had never trained and maybe was out of shape and just didn't recognize it, that guy's arm could have got fucked up really badly. Because if Frank kept yanking on it, and he would have kept yanking on it, he wasn't going to let that fucking thing go.

I mean, it could have torn through his skin. It could have been a compound fracture. It could have been really, really, really ugly. Yeah. And I guess it is a compound fracture when they both break. Yeah. But when they puncture through the skin, that's another level of severity

because you have to worry about infections. And it's super dangerous. And that could easily happen if you get the wrong guy who's reffing a fight. It's a tough job. Leon Roberts is another UK guy. He's very good. Yeah, he's great. He's excellent.

There's a lot of good guys that are doing it now. There's a lot of good guys. There's a large group of people that sort of grew up being MMA fans and got involved in smaller shows and, you know, became like a trusted referee. But, you know, the gold standard is always like John McCarthy, Herb Dean. Those are the gold standards. And Rosenthal was great too, man. Unfortunately, he went to jail.

Yeah. For that weed, son. Slanging that weed up in Northern California. And apparently had some pistolas he's not supposed to have. Yeah. They had to penalize. It's no good. Robbed of a good judge.

Yeah, it sucked because he's a cool dude. Yeah, he's a cool dude too. I mean, I hope when he gets out of jail they recognize that it wasn't a violent crime and they reinstate him. But, you know, dude's in jail for like over a year for weed. But, you know, I don't know what you're, I guess it's like if you're selling medical marijuana, it's legal statewide. But it's not legal federally. So I don't know. I guess you could still get busted for it federally. But he wasn't even doing that.

He was just slinging weed. Yeah. There was no federal involved. He was like getting paid, selling plants, which I support 100%. Yeah. I'm tired. It's so stupid. It's unbelievably stupid that it's possible to lock someone in a cage for selling plants in 2010.

It's dumb as fuck. I don't care if it's written on a piece of paper. It's dumb as fuck. Selling plants to people who want them plants and grown-ups and adults. Should he have guns on him? No. Probably shouldn't have illegal guns on him. I mean, that part's harder to argue.

I'm not arguing that part. The guns, not so much. But yeah, I get that. It's crazy. Yeah, it's just so sad. And one day they're going to look back and they're going to realize how unbelievably stupid we were when it came to our drug policies unbelievably stupid like we took the most beneficial the least harmful ones and we made them the most illegal and put people in jail for the longest amount of time for those it's the perception of it as well i always remember

when i was younger and i was smoking a lot of weed and doing a lot of acid and shit like that. Good times. Yeah, good times. And reading Tim Filiere's thing of when he was saying how the way society looks at drugs is legal or not legal. His argument was it should be treated like a car, that you have to, like, if you want to buy acid, you pass a test, you get your license, you basically prove that you're intelligent and of sound mind enough to enjoy this, and then you go and buy it.

Not because the one drug we've got in alcohol, it's just you pay money and that's that. Anyone can have it. It's kind of, yeah, I loved that the first time I read that, the small-mindedness of way we approach it, when there's millions of ways to approach the legalization of every drug. Well, it's also very strange when we arbitrarily decide that one drug, regardless of its impact on people's health and well-being and crimes committed under the influence of it, which is like one of the most devastating ones, alcohol, and we make that our primary drug. And we just decide. That's the one. That's our drug. I'm behind that one.

If you're going to do that, if you're dealing with a sophisticated, intelligent civilization like the UK, like the United States of America, like the Western world in the year 2014, you dealing with people that have un just previously impossible levels of access to information yeah it's unparalleled access to information it's never in human history and yet in the face of this in the face of this overwhelming evidence you're choosing to put people in cages for for plants like Like that's unconscionable. It's intolerable. Because we've known it for so long that it's just acceptable. It's the same as we were saying earlier with religion, of how ludicrous it is,

but because it's been there for so long, it's accepted. It's exactly the same with that. But I think it's changing. If you strip it down and start it again, if that didn't happen, and a politician came in and said, what we're going to do is we're going to put humans in cages,

people would go absolutely mental. That didn't already exist. If that was a new thing, they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? What the fuck are you talking about? You're not putting people in cages for plants. He's violated drug policy number 65290. He has more than one gram of marijuana on him for personal consumption. Get in that fucking cage, hippie.

It's crazy. Didn't they just change it in Brooklyn? Didn't they just make weed legal in Brooklyn? Medical, I think, yes. I think New York. I don't think so, man. Medical in New York, but I think they just made edibles legal? Really?

Where? In New York. In New York. Edibles are legal in New York. Marijuana in New York, but I think they just made edibles legal? Really? Where? In New York. Edibles are legal in New York. Marijuana in New York. Hmm. That's nice. I like hearing that shit. Florida was the opposite. Everyone told me it's so bad if they find a seed in your car,

they will get you. Yeah, they'll fuck with you in Florida, dude. They only want cocaine yeah yeah it's a medical marijuana state as of july 5th of 2014 so you can get medical weed in new york good jesus christ how is this 2014 it's happened especially the medical which is by the way a trojan horse but especially the medical because the medical is it's you can't argue against it people have interocular pressure from glaucoma cures them it helps relieve pain it helps regain the appetite of people that are suffering from

aids and on chemotherapy it's like there's so many benefits it's impossible to argue medically how long do you think it will be before it just spreads over the country because it seems to it work like everywhere it's gone right it's worked and it's good for the economy and the best shit is when we get the people in iowa high that's what that's going to make the world a way better place all those tense dudes were out there deer hunting get those guys high everybody needs to just just get it it's a perspective enhancing moment that's what's going on here folks it does do i mean that everybody needs to get high no i don't really mean that everyone needs to get high you don't if you're a happy person the way you are keep on

keeping on son but the idea that people can't benefit from something that people have clearly benefited from not just benefited from, but have stated over and over again that they've benefited from it. You don't hear that about a lot of other drugs. This is a great drug. I mean, I benefit from several different drugs, but like caffeine, I benefit from caffeine. We don't like to think of it as a drug,

but that's a drug. It's an absolute drug, and I like it. I love coffee. Marijuana is a very beneficial drug. It's an absolute drug, and I like it. I love coffee. Marijuana is a very beneficial drug. There's a lot of great aspects to it. Can it be abused? Of course. Everything can be abused.

Every single thing. Food can be abused. But as grown-ups, that should be a choice that you can make, right? It's just about being a disciplined grown-up. I mean, I stopped smoking, like, or I haven't had any marijuana in over 10 years now. But it just wasn't working out for me personally. But that doesn't mean, again, it's not. I'm still very pro as I think everyone should try.

Or it's positive to try all these things. Yeah. And the idea that everyone is going to respond exactly the same way to any given substance whether it's aspirin or marijuana i mean there's a reason why some people are allergic to some things and other people enjoy like shrimp some people eat shrimp and they'll get sick as fuck i love shrimp it's delicious make it illegal i mean there's a good percentage of the population that's allergic to shellfish it's a fairly common allergy yeah and if they had chosen the same sort of ideas that they have on like marijuana addiction, this is one that they love to throw around, marijuana addiction.

Yeah. I would like to put marijuana addiction next to shellfish allergy and see which one is more common. Yeah. Because I bet shellfish allergy is way more fucking common than marijuana. And so the idea of making it illegal because one tiny percentage of the population gets physically addicted to it well i don't know what's going on their body they might be physically addicted but for me i know i can stop and not have weed for weeks and i don't feel

any physical pain nothing crazy i've taken two weeks off and had nothing not felt a thing Not not an urge not a just living life. There's no Want there's no itch that you can't scratch. Yeah It's it's weird that we have these arbitrary decisions that get made a long time ago and that they stick Just because someone wrote him somewhere somewhere we're so goofy like that protecting against addictive personalities i guess or or physical addiction but people will have that for anything did you see the new york times said that you know they did a new york times editorial saying that marijuana should be decriminalized oh really nationwide and the government had a

response the new york times that was so goofy and it included all this shit about children about the affecting the brains of children like no one's saying give pot to fucking children did you even listen they didn't even read the editorial the editorial is about adults informed adults should be allowed to smoke marijuana and the government's thing like the response was all about kids it's like you goofy fake babysitters you don't give a fuck about kids you guys aren't in the hood you guys aren't in the hood saving babies fuck off looking fuck off you're not you're not looking after kids it's not hurting kids stop it no one's saying kids should go get high jesus christ it's ridiculous goofy fucks but

that's the kind of people that are responsible that's the kind of people that are responsible. That's the kind of people that are responsible for our laws. But who's saving the kids from shellfish? Who's out there fighting that battle? They try to save the kids from it. Peanuts are a big one, man. Yeah. Nuts-free schools. Like the schools my daughter goes to.

My daughter goes to a nut-free school. Why do they still have nuts on airplanes? Like they still do it. Why wouldn't they just switch to Cheez-Its or something? Like, why is it nuts anyways? It's a good question. Is there something with nuts and flying? There's tons of things like that, though.

Like, the realization. Making me want nuts. I can't remember. It was a comedian was talking about how come when epilepsy came about, we didn't go, all right, we don't need strobe lights then. Strobe lights aren't a necessary. Oh, that could kill you, send you into a fit. Let's get rid of them. That's fine right we don't need strobe lights then strobe lights aren't a necessary oh that could kill you send you into a fit let's get rid of them that's fine we don't need they're not unless it's like no we need we need to party my friend jim his wife would black out she would

see like one of those gifts online i just put him somewhere else just i thought he was fucking around do you remember that guy jim from the message board he um he put some uh some warning up like saying like hey you guys take down these fucking strobes and then of course everybody changed their avatar to a strobe like fuck off maybe just shut off avatars instead of killing the party because if you like you know didn't know that you were going to see something and if you saw it it would black you out you you'd have to be really careful about your viewing habits. There we go. Don't do that.

You'll make people die. You shouldn't do that, man. That's rude as fuck. That's going to bring the aliens back if you do that. Yeah, right. They're going to come back and land. It's a secret signal. Yeah, there were some radio signals

they just found in the galaxy recently. Fascinating. New radio signals found in the galaxy. And people are speculating as to whether or not it's aliens. What's it sound like? Does it sound like static? I don't think it's like a sound. I think it's like a signal.

It's just waves. Radio waves emitted from nearby galaxy wow yeah it's interesting shit man july 10th mysterious signal from a galaxy far far away brief pulse detected by the aerosibo telescopes appears to come from far beyond our galaxy could be caused by evaporating black holes or mergers of neutron stars or aliens could be aliens could it be aliens yes there's a chance they could be trying to reach us it could be a chance did you see that video that somebody shared it to me on twitter where they can take sound waves off video of like a plant and like map it out and it will recreate what the sound was when that video is recorded. Yeah

Well, they can use a Doritos bag. Yeah Doritos bag. You see saw that video. That was nuts incredible So if you're in a room and say like you're talking and you have like a Doritos bag there like a light piece of paper Yeah, they can focus on that and this the impact of your voice on that Doritos bag They can detect what you're saying. They can detect the sounds What damn? See if I can find that video that that is the mind blower of the week's mind blowers We were getting excited about cameras earlier and that's what I can inside How much smarter are those people than me? They're so much smarter.

Like, that's not even a human. Like, anybody that can figure that out, like, when I think about my potential for figuring things out and their potential for figuring things out, like, you know, the tools that they have, the steps that they are ahead, I could live a hundred lives and never even catch up to where they are. Never even get close. It's amazing. Like, when people want to pretend that all people are created equal, why don't you pay attention? There's some motherfuckers out there that are getting sound off Doritos bags, and guess what, fuckface?

They're smarter than you. Their brains work better. The results of this video are the best experience through headphones. When sound hits an object, it causes that object to vibrate. The motion of this vibration are best experienced through headphones. When sound hits an object, it causes that object to vibrate. The motion of this vibration creates a subtle visual signal that's usually invisible to the naked eye. In our work, we show how using only a video of the object and a suitable processing algorithm, we can extract these minute vibrations and partially recover the sounds that produced them,

letting us turn everyday visible objects into visual microphones. In the silent high-speed video shown here on the left, we see the leaves of a potted plant shown on the right. The video was recorded while a nearby loudspeaker played the notes to Mary Had a Little Lamb. Oh my god. So now what they're going to do, they record it with the sound and they're going to play it back using... Even when we play the video in slow motion here, the vibrations caused by the music are so subtle that they move the plant's leaves by less than a hundredth of a

pixel, making the plant appear still to the naked eye. But by combining and filtering all of the tiny motion happening across the image that you see, we are able to recover this sound. Oh my god, that's crazy. So in the future we're going to be able to take a little video and find out what we're really talking about or JFK or something. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's insane.

We recovered my God. Oh my God. That's insane. That's crazy. We recorded live human speech from high-speed video of a bag of chips lying on the ground. But to make things a little more challenging, this time we put the camera outside, behind a soundproof window.

This is what a cell phone was able to record from inside, next to the bag of chips. Mary had a little lamb whose fleece was white as snow, and everywhere that Mary went, that lamb was sure to go. And this is what we were able to recover from high-speed video, filmed from outside, behind soundproof glass. from high-speed video, filmed from outside, behind soundproof glass. That's haunting. Oh my God, that's amazing. That's ridiculous, right? That's amazing.

So what that's going to happen is we're going to be able to take old home movies, especially like the 8mm kind that's like no sound that you used to have in the 70s. We're going to be able to eventually probably take that and actually recreate the sound of everything that was going on. Well, how could that be possible? As long as they had the 3-0s pocket. No, but it's not filmed at the same resolution. Well, as an example, they're going to show it now at a very lower resolution

at this part of the video. And this is early on so i think in the future they're going to be able to get it to the point of being able to do that because here's what they can do with just a typical camera uh right like a laptop yeah yeah so here i was which can record thousands of and most consumer cameras here we can sometimes actually recover sound at frequencies several times higher than the frame rate of our video, letting us recover audio from video captured on regular consumer cameras. Here we see a 60 frames per second video of a bag of candy captured on a regular consumer

DSLR while our Mary had a little land music played through a nearby loudspeaker. By using a variation of our technique on the rows of the recorded video, we were able to recover this audio, which includes frequencies more than five times higher than the frame rate of our camera. So yeah. Wow. Expect new crazy ghosts in the future from the past. What a weird, weird world we live in, man. What a weird weird world we live in man what a weird world that someone can figure that out that's well that someone can try to figure that out in the first

place it's just insane just the actual thing of having the idea and perception of thinking of that is just yeah yeah that's a real game changer right wow so humbling yeah you know it's like you i really feel when i see something like that that we're in we're very fortunate in the time that we live that we're going to get to see these things yeah that we're a part of this insane moment in history where things are becoming so complicated so quickly so powerful so quickly the the impact of them the impact of people's words just it's it's never been a time like this man it's the speed of it all is insane like the speed the the chain or the or the speed we went from the invention of the internet which is putting everyone in the world in touch with

everyone else and then the speed we went from that to turning it into something that we just look at tits on and tweet people and talk shit. The speed which we've just become comfortable with is an amazing piece of technology that we should be using to find out amazing things constantly. But 90% of the time, we've got so comfortable with it because it's just on your phone now. It's not this great jump in technology. Well well we take it for granted while it's doing its

work yeah and it's doing its work and its work is connecting all of us connecting all of us and i mean we're connected in some really bizarre ways now man that's uh i mean what we're seeing on this the screen we're watching this video that's a a fascinating new thing, an amazing new thing. But it's probably one of like a million new things that are coming out that are going to freak us the fuck out. You know, all this stuff is essentially magic. It's crazy how they'll freak us out for like a minute. And then it'll just be regular. And then it's just fine.

Then it's going to be an app. It's the most regular thing, yeah. That shit will be an app on your phone in two years. Completely. Then it's going to be an app. That shit will be an app on your phone in two years. It's creating time travel, but using it like a weird old VCR type kind of technology where we're going to be recreating everything that's ever happened based on tree DNA or something. So weird, man.

Yeah, you're going to be able to watch an outdoor video and stare at the trees and listen to the actual voices that the people were saying while they were near those trees. Well, not only that, they'll probably be able to do things digitally to change the resolution of things. Probably some sort of an algorithm where they'll be able to analyze each individual pixel and enhance in post the camera's reaction to the image and change it and enhance it and recreate reality based on some sort of an understanding of the surroundings I love the idea that this technology could come about though, but the the the the

The foible of it would be they have to be near a plant or a Doritos packet We've had these great moments in history, but it wasn't next to a plant moments in history but it wasn't next to a plant right we'll never know what where would it be a safe where would where would a safe place be would it be underwater or would it no wouldn't it well would it imagine if they figured out that would be worse imagine if they figured out a way i'm going to watch what i say around doritos packets from now on though i don't want to in case i'm picked up stay away from, right? Stay away from Doritos. Imagine if they figure out a way to recreate old historical videos and actually make them, like a part of the Oculus Rift,

make them super high resolution, calculate them based on all the, say if they took the Kennedy assassination, and they calculated it on all known photographs of the area. They did a very comprehensive analysis. In detail, every photo of Kennedy's face ever taken, every photo of Jackie O ever taken, every inch of one of those crazy limousines that Kennedy was driving in, the convertible limousines, every inch of it. And then they put you in a virtual reality where you're at the scene and you got to watch the zapruder film play out like right there like you're there you're looking

at zapruder holding the camera and you know you could move around on i mean this sounds like this you know like that because the sounds from reflections of like... Yeah, they'll figure out a way to... I wonder if you'll ever be able to accurately replay the voices. Yeah. Huh. But recreations of historical events in three dimensions in virtual reality is inevitable. I mean, if people are making paintings of Nixon,

they're definitely going to make like a virtual reality scenario where he gets shot at the theater yeah you get to see john wilkes booth sneak up behind him and shoot him they're gonna have that piece and yeah yeah historical events any known historical events you know i'm writing a story or song or whatever at the moment about a guy that gets a chance meet some kind of god or whatever but gets told you can have one truth and you've got to pick everything throughout history like you could pick like to know what happened

with JFK or to know if Jesus was real or whatever and just what would that one I mean in this story he ends up going through all of that and then asking if his girlfriend cheated on him because that's the reality that's the reality that's the truth that you'd ask and need to know but what what the fuck would you it's weird because jfk is one that i always come to and i'm not american i've got no

i think it's just because it's such a conspiracy i'm pretty convinced i want to know the actual truth yeah amazing i think the the actual truth would be interesting, but I'm pretty convinced of a conspiracy when it came to JFK I've seen the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and one of the things that I don't find compelling is That there was obviously some the Warren Commission had a predetermined be a predetermined conclusion that they wanted to reach yeah, and that was that there was a lone gunman and predetermined conclusion that they wanted to reach.

Yeah. And that was that there was a lone gunman. And they wanted to reach it so badly that they ignored evidence to the contrary and even concocted crazy stories like the magic bullet theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They only did that because they had to account for a bullet that hit an underpass and ricocheted. So they had to account. They had to make all these wounds come out of one bullet because they know there was only three shots from Coswell.

This was... The only reason why they did it is to wrap up there it wasn't like a scientific analysis like they looked at it all it was done by orrin hatch he's a he's uh was it orrin hatch i think it was single bullet theory i want to say it was him it was one of those fucking weirdos from um the um the the remember when um anita hill and clarence thomas and there was, do you know who Anita Hill is? Clarence Thomas is a Supreme Court Justice. Right. Who, when they were trying to appoint him, there was this crazy story that came out.

Like, he told this woman, Anita Hill, this really sexy black chick, he told her that there's a pubic hair in her coke. Remember that? Did you ever find out Coke, like, sales went up during that time? Or was, like, Pepsi sales? I bet that'd be fascinating. I wonder, right? Yeah. You know, pubic hair makes me want to buy Pepsi.

Arlen Specter. Sorry, that's who he was. It wasn't Orrin Hatch. It was Arlen Specter. But I think Orrin Hatch was involved in it as well. But Arlen Specter was just like this known creeper. He was just one of those guys that had been around. He was a Democrat, switched to a Republican, then switched back to Democrat.

He was just a shifty fucking character. And he was the one who came up with the single bullet theory. He was the guy. It was his idea. I'm always just saying one bullet just went fucking nutty? It's crazy that they would even consider trying shit like that on something that's clearly the biggest case. Do you know what I mean? Going to be the most scrutinized thing.

But I think somebody. It's equally insane. It's stupid that they come up with it. Equally insane that they would think, yeah, that'll do. We'll tell the people that. But it did work. I mean, there's people that argue it today stupid that they come but equally saying that they would think, yeah, that'll do. We'll tell the people that. But it did work. I mean, there's people that argue it today, so they were right. Whether or not they were right or not, I'm not sure, but they were

right that people would accept the fact that this one bullet did all the damage. I mean, it's so preposterous in so many different ways. I have conversations with people, like, you can't deny the actual bullet's dimensions itself. The bullet itself was in pristine condition.

People hate this conversation because it's been done so many times before. But there's also fragments of it that was left in the body, the body of Connolly especially, where they weren't accounted for. They weren't missing for the bullet they found on the gurney. That wasn't the bullet that did all that. It just wasn't. It's not a bullet that shattered bone. It just wasn't fucked up enough. It doesn't make any sense. Much more likely

since it was found on the gurney at the hospital that somebody placed it there. And to pretend that people wouldn't place it there is preposterous. You find a pristine bullet on a gurney, on Governor Colley's gurney in the hospital. Do you assume that someone placed it or do you assume that this is a bullet that went

through two people and just happened to wind up on a gurney? Well, either one of those is true. Or either one of those is possible, rather. You know, to say that you absolutely know that that's the single bullet and this is the reason why. No, it easily could be placed there. And if it was placed there, your whole theory of one bullet doing that thing, well, you have no bullet. Like, where's the bullet that did all this What does it look like now? Well it looks wondering something you don't know so because you like

Finding the bullet was the only reason why people were willing to believe that one bullet did all this damage So they had which is really ridiculous because you would think that would be contrary Because like this not is a bullet that was like shot into a swimming pool or something. It doesn't look fucked up at all. I don't know, man. The either-or thing is a problem as well because everybody wants to say Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

No, he didn't. It was a conspiracy. Could be Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of the conspiracy. You know, that's possible too. He could have been their patsy, like he said I was a patsy, but he also could have been

involved in it, which would account for the slaying of the officer, like a police officer was shot Patsy but he also could have been involved in it which would account for the Slaying of the officer like a police officer was shot and they attributed that to Lee Harvey Oswald He might have shot a cop because he was a guilty fuck You know he might have been involved might have been one of the gunmen They might have been several gunmen and they might have just had that guy Like set up as a Patsy from the jump because he had a wife that was Russian. He was from Russia Either way they killed

kennedy i wouldn't i wouldn't go back to see that i'd go back to that what would you go to roswell yeah i'd want to see if a ufo crashed or it was just a fucking air balloon but that hot air balloon surely would that one feels to me like it would if if it could potentially have the most disappointing outcome. Yes. I'm looking forward to being disappointed. All that while you do this and then go, oh, fuck, it was an air balloon. I want to confirm my suspicions. And my suspicions are, like, this is my suspicions when it comes to UFOs.

This is the big one. I think that people are full of shit. I think that there's enough full of shit people to account for some really good stories about UFOs. Has anybody ever experienced an actual UFO from another planet? It is absolutely possible. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not discounting. If you're the one person out there that actually has a really unique experience with a UFO and you're not crazy, I'm saying is, when I look at all the evidence, like the Roswell and all these different stories and all these different crash stories, people are so full of shit that it's much more likely, knowing the small number of these things that actually get reported, people say thousands of sightings every year.

There's 350 million people in this country. If you only get thousands of sightings every year, what are the odds of those people being crackpots 100 yeah it might be 100 if it's not 100 it's 99.9999 crazy it never happens to a really regular and we can't we we must account for the number of crazy people that we have that we've we've counted there's a lot them. So if people are just having these episodes where they start telling you about UFO abductions and seeing ships that are invisible and move faster than time, it's also possible they're crazy and full of shit. So I would love to go back. And if I went back to Roswell and I found an actual UFO, I would fucking change my tune.

But if I went back to Roswell and I just saw a bunch of people standing around a weather balloon... It's good that your one isn't going back to disprove something rather than witness this is what happened. It's like, no, this didn't happen. Fuck that shit. Absolute bullshit. You can't come up with any of this anymore.

Well, I think I would like to be open minded like look no one would like it more than me if i went back and i actually saw a spaceship from another planet like if you go to area 51 and they could take you to the bob lazar place where they they have this fucking gigantic hangar and you go inside and you see an actual alien ufo holy shit i would love that but it's way more likely to me that you get there and you see a bunch of remote control shit that the government's been working on, and you see some aircraft technology that led to the stealth bomber,

which they know they built out of there. That's more likely what the UFOs are. Yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah, although it was back engineering alien technology. I don't see a lot of evidence of that. That seems like you're discounting human ingenuity, which is obviously fucking amazing. Yeah. Like, look at this sound thing.

Exactly. Sorry, what we're looking at already is that back engineered from aliens who want to see what we're saying at distance. So I think you're dealing with a lot of dull-minded people that can't even comprehend the intelligence level of the people that can conceive something like a stealth bomber. So they're seeing this technology arising. They're attributing it to back-engineering UFOs when it really could just be people that are so smart so much smarter than them they're not even the same species yeah essentially yeah yeah they're just super fucking smart and

they figured out a gang of shit yeah that's way more likely yeah right completely so the the people who work for the government that have made it our aliens essentially in a way that much further advanced than us. That's the proof of aliens. Stephen Hawking. Tell me he's not an alien. Yeah, that dude's an alien. What is he?

He's a computer voice, right? Yeah. And he has a brain that's connected very loosely, biologically, to some movements that control a computer. It's essentially a brain directly interfacing with a computer through fingers. It's textbook alien. It's the classic alien right there. And he warns us about aliens.

He's warning us about him. He's covering his own tracks. He's so much smarter than us. Hiding in plain sight. Right in front of us, pretending he can't move, and waiting. And then he'll open up like the thing. It'll be a fucking mouth and chop down someone's head but in a sense petrifying in a sense he's an alien in that he's so he's like he's something

that we can't even imagine we can't even imagine what's going on inside of his mind he's so goddamn smart he's so advanced that his concepts and his levels that he's operating on and thinking on might as well be alien to some guy who works at Krispy Kreme and keeps fucking up and doesn't figure out which button to press. You know? I shouldn't say Krispy Kreme. It's a wonderful establishment. Makes fine donuts. What's the deal with the line for that, though? They're delicious.

There's like 30 car deep in Burbank. Every time I drive by, I'm like, one day I'd like to try it. Well, it's not because they suck. The Burbank one is the shit, dude, because it's 24 hours a day. You need to do is come home from a comedy club some night.

I've done that coming home from the ice house. Stop off, get some Krispy Kreme. Gotcha. It's like one in the morning and there's a line of 30 people. Gluten free?

Not. No gluten free. Fuck out of here, bitch. You're getting full sugar. It's going to go right to your arteries. You're going to feel like shit for hours after you eat it. But for the mouth pleasure that you get for that minute or so where you're eating one of those, it's worth it. It's worth those hours easily.

Yeah, don't be a pussy. What do you think is going on with this Ferguson thing? Because I'm looking at it now like they just arrested the HuffPro reporters, the arresting reporters. They're going into McDonald's and going, everyone needs to leave, like employees. Why? Wait a minute. HuffPro, why are they arresting? You know who to follow is Wesley Lowy.

It's W-E-S-L-E-Y-L-O-W-E-R-Y. He writes for, I think, the Washington Post. He's formerly of the Boston Globe and the LA Times. Huffington Post reporter arrested in Ferguson. Yeah, it says Ryan J. Ryan. Oh, Ryan J. Riley, rather. This is fucking crazy. Ryan J. Riley and the Washington Post's Wesley Lowry

were arrested Wednesday while covering the protests in Ferguson, Missouri, surrounding the death of unarmed African-American teenager Michael Brown, who was shot to death by a police officer last week. Riley tweeted that around 8 p.m. the SWAT officers invaded the McDonald's at which he was working, requested information after he took a photo of them. Lowry was also working at the fast food restaurant. Whoa.

Wait a minute. How are Huffington Post reporters arrested? Oh, HuffPost caused the Ferguson status of Riley after tweets that he had been arrested. The person who picked up the phone identified himself as George, said he couldn't give any information at this time. So who

got arrested? I'm confused here. Reporter for the West uh yes i'm los angeles times reporter matt pierce talked to the police department and this guy used to work for the boston globe and looks officers slammed me into a fountain soda machine because i was confused at which door they were asking me to walk out and he's this is a reporter that was waiting to be taken away large black man screaming for help in the back of police truck. Whoa. I'm dying.

I'm dying. Please call. He screamed. Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out which Huffington Post guy got arrested. Also, Ryan Reilly of HuffPro assaulted and arrested. Wow. So those guys.

So why did it say that they're... Oh, I get it it i'm sorry they were working on their laptops at mcdonald's that's how they were working for mcdonald's right oh wow so they came in while they were working and they asked for their id and when they took a photo holy shit like that's like beyond overstepping bounds there was also a video that someone put up online of some people filming cops and the cop points the gun on them and tells them to get the fuck out of here and they all start screaming it's really crazy shit like the cops says get the fuck out of here and he points the gun at them you know it's it's some dark shit man it's this is all what everyone was terrified of when that um that operation um or

that uh occupy wall street shit was going on yeah what they were worried most is that at one point in time the united states is going to have something something that just wakes people up to shit like this and they actually start rioting, you know, and that's a terrifying thing for, for police. It's a terrifying thing for law enforcement, for,

for, you know, any form of government. When you have this, this happen, these, these types of things, they build momentum.

You know, it gets, it gets real scary when people feel like the police is doing them wrong and people, they have a, there's a battle between people and the police. They start shooting rubber bullets at crowds like they're doing here. They're just hitting random people in the crowds,

trying to disperse them. You can't do that, man. This is, this is dangerous shit. This is how people get overthrown. Here's a picture from it. You know,

the Shah of Iran got overthrownrown one of the one of the reasons why they they rose up against him is because he was starting to say that they were going to attack people if they were in any sort of formation more than two or three people were together and they formed any sort of a group they were going to arrest them all shoot them on sight next day there's like two million people a breaking point yeah those things of going right we can't yeah yeah well it's just tough because there's always going to be a load of smaller breaking points along the way that don't cause the chain but change but cause a lot of bad bad yeah this is crazy actions crazy that they feel like that they can just arrest people that are in mcdonald's, are you protecting or serving when you're doing that?

Which one? Yeah. What are you doing? It's ridiculous. Guys are in McDonald's that were reporters, and you're allowed to just come in and disturb them? Because you think that, what, they took a photo of some crazy shit that's going down? You don't want it being released? Is this protocol?

Are you following, like, is this in your book of what you're supposed to do? Look, they were arrested for not packing their bags quick enough. Wow. That's insanity. That's hilarious. They can just decide to come into McDonald's and kick everybody else out. Meanwhile, the streets are flooded with people. That's so strange, man.

Why were they kicking everyone out of McDonald's anyway? Yeah. Is that? I don't know. McDonald's is property. I think when shit hits the fan, when you have a situation like this and people from the police and civilians are fighting, it's like things get real hairy. And there's a lot of like huge, huge, huge mistakes that get made.

And there's a lot of stress and a lot of pressure. And it's going to be real tough to calm this fucking thing down. And it just can spread so much more now because of Twitter and because of everything else. It becomes this everyone knows about it, which fires it all up more, right? Most of the time you live in England, right? Yeah.

And in England, the cops don't have guns, right? No. So is there ever any of this kind of rioting type shit? I mean, there still has been. Yeah, there's a regular police don't have guns, but there are obviously like different units or higher up things where it can be the case. And yeah, yeah, there has been like it was a couple of years ago. There was a big one where a kid was shot because they thought he was an armed like armed police had been called out for an incident and the guy wasn't armed and it caused riots for

days and days kind of in london but similar type of situation it's just not as regular and not as it's far rarer because yeah it's not any policeman not a policeman in m policeman in McDonald's or wherever else. Not everyone has got, is weaponized. That's a weird thing. How does the police deal, like, how often is violent crime with guns take place? How often is that in England? It's not that regularly. There is, again, as everywhere, there are guns, there are knives. Like, there is crime going on.

But, yeah, it's nowhere near as as regular a thing and i'd say even proportionately obviously there's millions of millions more people in the u.s but i'd still say percentage wise it's far more regular yeah and every now and then there's like some sort of a like that lee murray situation where they had that crazy bank robbery yeah that was fucking nuts man yeah yeah they had full armor on and masks and you know ski mat ski goggles on and shit couldn't see their faces and it's weird because stuff like that wasn't that they that that wasn't that big a news story i think it was it wasn't no it was the biggest bank robbery in all of england

right again yeah but it wasn't It wasn't as Again like as big as As the riots over a kid Getting shot Or just I don't know Bank robberies aren't

As hot a topic these days Are they? I don't know It's weird I think it's way harder To rob a bank I don't think that happens All that often

And the Lee Murray one Was one of the biggest ones ever Yeah I mean him and his his alleged compadres, I mean, they heisted some insane amount of money, right? It was hundreds of millions of dollars. Crazy amounts. Yeah, that guy's a crazy story, huh?

Yeah. How much of a folk hero is he in England? Not that much. Generally, not that much. Again, I heard about it more because of, I heard about that whole story more because of who he is and because of his fighting and everything.

Because of mixed martial arts. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. So the other people that were involved. That's how I became aware of it. And again, I can't say,

I guess other people may have been more aware for some reason, but yeah, that's the main, that's how I heard about the story more because of MMA. Yeah. He doesn't even seem like a real person. Like guy who fought as a high level MMA fighter, got stabbed like seven times and then one of being involved one of the biggest bank robberies ever he's a folk story isn't he yeah and then he goes away to morocco and he's in prison

in morocco and just running shit over there yeah he's living over there for a while and then eventually got arrested and where's he now in jail is he jail the have no clue I think so Wow He's got a crazy life man someone's going to take that guy's life and turn it into the most insane Guy Ritchie movie ever Yeah

You know him narrating it It's got to be the easiest one to write because it's all just there Yeah It's just literally tell your stories

England has a lot of violence but like fisticuffs Yeah That's something that I found like shocking when I was there how often you see

guys duking it out in the street it's a weird one I'm a I'm a Millwall fan which is a football team over there and we're known

for having a lot of hooligans and violence and rioting they're known as the worst of the lot but again

it's all my opinion is that's not exclusive to football really in the UK if you're on as the worst of the lot coming. But again, it's all, my opinion is, that's not exclusive to football, really. In the UK, if you're on a, generally on a Saturday night, if you're in a busy town centre, you're going to see a fight of some sort.

It's going to, because we drink so heavily. Doug Stanhope has a great bit about it. In England, they just fight about everything. Where are you from? Over here. Fuck over there. that's exactly right it's just it's such a strange thing do you think that i wonder if how much that is related to the fact that i mean there's direct descendants when you're in europe there's no clean break it's not like your family comes over to a new continent forms a you know a new civilization

starts fresh yeah no you're essentially riding on the momentum of king george you know it's like the same you know like the society has moved and progressed tiny little island but we've got this and used to be a massive empire yeah you know i mean affect things right our whole history is running so much of the world yeah and then we're on this tiny little island still still claiming that we're the mighty England and but we're just Scrapping in the streets amongst ourselves Isn't it weird how civilizations do that like cultures like rise and fall rise and fall and their influence and their power You know Rome go to Rome man man shit there nothing's going on go buy a pizza i mean what are you gonna get when you go to rome you're not gonna see any just giant

armies they had it's it's the weird illusion like in britain our history and our our arrogance in a way 90 of the stuff that we got that was good was from the romans the romans came and showed us and the reason a lot of our society crumbled after the romans left was because we had all these amazing roads and everything but we didn't know how to rebuild them or to maintain them or anything like that so we kind of had this big boom when the romans came over and then plummeted for ages because we're like oh shit we've got all this technology and whatnot and we don't really know how to fix it some other guys made it and then they went broke and had to go home because they got overthrown and we were there like ah fuck and then but years later it's then turned into our great history and our great advances in

technology and yeah it comes in waves right yeah like guys figure it out and then something happens then the new people have to reinvent. It's just such a fascinating thing. It's such a fascinating thing when you go to Europe and you see how old everything is. It really puts into perspective, because when I was a kid, I lived in Boston, and there was a cemetery near the commons. It's one of the oldest cemeteries in the country. You'll see a headstone from the 1700s or 1600s that's a big deal yeah but in comparison to the you know european history like they have that big

big uh white horse that's on the side of a hill yeah yeah nobody even fucking knows where it came from nobody has a goddamn clue much stuff like that and just things like stonehenge and all that kind of just it's just crazy how old that and again really it's not that impressive it's it's a load of slabs it's some shit but it's the fact that this is yeah that's so old no one really knows what and no or what yeah and they like debate the purpose of like they find roads these crazy stone roads like okay what the fuck what's going on here no one knows everyone forgot it's all just gone whole civilization comes and goes and it's a beautiful thing though man it's an amazing thing to discover the remnants of the past and try to piece together what happened and then really try

to put it into perspective what has happened that brought us to 2014 all the different lives that had to be lived all the events that had to take place and all the different things we're trying to still piece together today and try to figure out well what what was going on what did they believe on why were they worshiping cows and what were they doing on top of this hill and what was this why they set this up in the line with constellations like what was their belief system they wrote like this what the fuck they had these little squiggly lines what are they saying it's crazy to think think of the level of intelligence that was around before the breakthrough was made to record that and to document that. So just so much stuff, just amazing shit that probably they all knew what these stones were for.

Everyone knew what the fuck that was for, but that wasn't written down anywhere. Yeah, they figured we're not going to forget that. We spent so much time building this. Everybody knows. Everyone knows what the stone is, dude. Jesus. Stonehenge. Everybody knows what Stonehenge is for.

Yeah, I wonder when the first guy started writing shit down, everybody else was probably like, what the fuck are you doing? He's like, I wrote a language. Like, I'm not learning your shit. I got my own language. My language involves circles. It's all about big circles and little circle. Big circles means I'm really mad, little circles mean I'm happy.

Okay, big circle, little circle. You had to get a bunch of people to agree, like you had to get a bunch of scholars, like how many generations? Everyone had to agree to it and commit to that. Yeah, how many generations did it take to figure that out? It's unimaginable. Then someone's like, I'm gonna write it on a cylinder and I'm gonna roll it on clay, you're gonna know what I mean. Like, what? And then how fucked up is it when they then go and find another society that

got it completely different like no correlation at all so not only have you had to figure out this completely new way of communicating you've got to then interpret their way into yours it's too crazy just the idea of how much how crazy look when when you think about like uh columbus and 1492 sailing off finding the americas landing here seeing the native people trying to communicate with them like what that must have been like not even knowing where the fuck you landed you get there and you see some people and they're all brown and shit and they got feathers on their head and you're like what is going on how do i tell this guy that i'm from spain like what do i you know what what what is he saying like you had to decipher a language that no one even knew existed and there's a gang of them you got the lakota people who speak one way you got the

cherokee that speak another way you get the Cherokee that speak another way you get the Apache that have their own way yeah and that's only 200 years ago you know 400 500 years or whatever it was from 1492 to 2012 I mean think about like when they came here the the amount of time between 1492 the less than 600 years 500 plus years to today that's nothing in terms of the world nothing but in that time this one spot with a bunch of people on horses just hanging out just erupted became new york city san francisco california last time i was here i can't remember what it was but someone was telling me how long ago it was that la was part of mexico 1800s it's like yes yeah not that long i don't think i mean i think when okay when was la mexico i say i say 1800s really i could be wrong i could be remembering it wrong but brian you're dating a mexican i was on a mexican last night but if you had to ask, though, if you had to guess, when was L.A., Mexico?

1821. So you think? Okay. When was L.A., Mexico? Hmm. When did L.A. belong to Mexico? Okay. When did?

It's the anticipation now. I know. It's building. I'm saying more recently than that i'll be in santa barbara what are you saying i don't know i don't want to uh 1769 oh really 1769 i think so hold on a second european exportation period from 1542 to 1769 oh no no i'm skewed um mexican period 1821 to 1848 the united states stateshood dude that continues to the period, 1821 to 1848. The United States statehood. Dude, that's fucking amazing. Which continues to the present day. 1821.

I guessed it. Date. Yeah. Boom. That's amazing. Do you think maybe you had that in your head? Like you knew? I got a little Mexican juice on me.

Maybe that has something to do with it. No, no, no. Do you think that maybe you saw that somewhere? No. It's a crazy number to pick, 1821. Yeah, it is a real weird number. Incredibly specific. Yeah, it's really specific, but you got it.

But it's also, I've seen those t-shirts. That's one thing to take into consideration. They have a t-shirt that says 1881 to 2014. I feel a lot of people wear it. It's got the, you know. It's like this birth t-shirt. I've seen them like different years. Maybe I saw it one day.

I have no idea. I've never even thought of it. Well, it's a good memory, though. Whatever it is, you were right. I actually didn't even know that Mexican and United States was in the same. Different tribes of Native Americans have lived in the area that is now California for an estimated 13 to 15,000 years. Holy shit, man. Holy shit. Shit. Wow. During the pre-European period, there was only between 100,000 and 300,000 Native Americans living in California.

Wow, there's no one here. That's crazy, just empty. Isn't that weird? 300,000 is not empty, though. It's not nice, it was. It's amazing. It's probably amazing. I mean, look, it was probably a hard life living back then. But how amazing must it have been to be on horseback and shit 300,000 people here?

Well, actually, pre-European. The problem with that is pre-European, I don't think they were on horses at all. The horses came from the Europeans, I'm pretty sure. They're riding horses. That was one of the things where Cortez showed up and Montezuma's people were like what the fuck these guys are gods because they were on horses and thought that they were part yeah yeah of the horse yeah fascinating shit man 1821 that is not that long it's not that long ago at all less than 200 years ago this was mexico no wonder why mexicans get mad that shit's really recent that's not that many generations either no not at all that's not that many at all

there's like great great grandparents yeah who can almost remember that shit yeah wow i think i saw somewhere the other day that columbus ohio now has a bigger population of mexicans than white people i I think. I'll double check on that. Columbus, Ohio. And we just, I remember when I lived there just some 10 or 11 years ago, it was like I saw, I remember seeing the first Mexican. I remember like, what's that?

And my mom's like, that's a Mexican. Every day I'm hustling. Every day I'm hustling. They figured out a way. They just fucking hustled. They got all the way up to Columbus. Like these fucking chubby white people aren't working. Let's take their jobs kick some ass take some names i'll take five jobs please we're all living in a one-bedroom apartment we're saving money boom next thing you know they're opening up a taco joint best tacos in columbus

dude's not even legal earning it they're taking over it's fine if there's two taco places in town and one of them was a dude that's not even legal, I'm going to that guy's place. Yeah. He's bringing over goats and shit and serving some nasty, vicious jalapenos. The one place, man, in La Jolla, across the street from the condo. What's that place called again? Shit, you asked me too fast. Bob's Burritos?

Don's? Don's? Luke. Don Luke. Whatever it is. It's so close to Mexico. It's just the most authentic, the most ridiculously good burritos you'll ever have in your life. Amazing.

And it's in San Diego, so it's like real close to the actual Mexico. You can't play. Don Lucas. Don Lucas. You can't play. When you're in San Diego, you can't have some shitty Mexican food. Mexico's right there. Literally on the doorstep.

Yeah, it's a weird moment, man, when you have this incredible community, like La Jolla, this really rich area. Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful area. And then 20-minute drive, Tijuana. 20-minute drive, a complete different country, wrecked with poverty, drug violence. It's crazy touring around Europe and realizing how many countries you can cover in a few hours drive.

Yeah, right? I mean, it's insane that you're driving through Germany to France to Holland to Italy. All of these are within a day kind of thing. But you're in a completely different country and culture language everything wow yeah i mean you guys can go to france and germany and hungary like how many different places can you leave in england and get to in one day insane amount insane if you if you're literally driving through or driving yeah yeah, there's so many. And they all, how many of them speak different languages?

All of them. All of them. It's crazy. They're all like across the board from each other and completely different languages. But most of them speak English as well. Yeah. Yeah. When you gig,

when you're doing gigs, do you do gigs in all these countries and do English gigs? Yeah. Wow. It's crazy. It was, it was crazy because obviously it's quite lyric based we assumed when we first started going out there that

that they wouldn't really get that side of it but it's crazy how in europe a lot of people seem to get it more because they read the translations of it and are paying attention more if you know what i mean so if you're hearing it and you speak english you're gonna miss tons of it but you're just you're picking up enough right whereas because they're not picking up any they'll then go and read it a word for word and understand it far more than half the british people who come to our shows and stuff like that oh that's kind of cool because it's all fast so if you if you if you're like oh this is my language then you won't get there's tons of hip-hop songs. I don't know half of it, but I've listened to it a million times. And you just – yeah.

Have you ever thought about doing that as an app, releasing it as an app, and having all your lyrics as an app? All the lyrics on there? No, that could be good. I mean, I've always been adamant of putting it in the booklets and shit like that. I've always been adamant on the packaging, always having, being good. I like physical stuff. Obviously, I'm adapting to digital stuff,

but I like to put out a nice physical product as well with all the lyrics in. Right. And then I kind of sit there all kind of snotty online when people ask me the lyrics. It's like, well, you bought the CD,

then you just go and buy the album. You'll find that out. Yeah. Do you get upset with people bootleg your shit um i get upset that there's no shame over it that that kills me now that people will openly just tweet again yeah i stole that it's like cool i understand that that happens but don't come to my face and tell me that because particularly as i've released most of it on my own label now and stuff like that it's just like you're not ripping anyone off other than me um yeah but do you feel like um there's a balance with people finding out

about your stuff because someone will take it and download it and then they'll distribute it and then other people find out about them more people come to your shows i think there completely is i think um yeah it's it's all a kind of it's it's all in interwoven but i think people often argue oh so i stole your music but i paid to come to see you live it's like yeah and i performed live for you right right that's what you were paying for that's do you know i mean that doesn't that doesn't cover the it's like a respect thing almost it's just like like if you're going to do it yeah it might find you might hear some have some new listeners because he told somebody. But don't go to your face and do it. I find it's such a weird argument saying, I stole this, but I paid for this.

When the thing you're paying for has its own value anyway. It's like saying, I'm not going to pay you at work this week, but I paid you for the last three weeks. So we're cool. No, we're not cool this is for this this work right right right right i don't know i do a lot to try and just make it engaging and make people i want to pay on my solo album i released a fake torrent that was all this all the instrumentals but me just talking and just chatting and doing kind of a dvd extras kind of oh the drummer on this track was was travis

barker and shit like that and going through stuff just so that the torrent that was first out there and everyone grabbed it wasn't at the album but then it also kind of not in a preachy way kind of said if you're stealing it you're stealing it from from me from the artist that you're you're you're into and supporting it's like so yeah and that kind of works. A lot of people say, oh shit, I got caught. I got caught on the fake torrent. That's interesting. I like to try and be, yeah, try and make things interesting in that way. Because again, if people are going to steal, they're going to steal.

But we get an awful lot of people who say, I've not paid for an album in ages, but I paid for your album because of, yeah yeah the way it's all coming from a personal perspective right because it's from someone directly you release it yeah yeah that's kind of you know there's there's a lot of things that people don't want to pay for online yeah you know and once they start being able to get things for free they don't they don't want to pay for them it's finding the balance and and the sweet spot i've just released my i i did a spoken word show edinburgh fringe so it's kind of spoken word but there's some stand-up in there as well kind of thing and it stunned me that the comedy world louis and yourself and everyone have found that thing of putting it out

for five dollars and being direct to the customer five dollars is enough for you to not want to go on a torrent site and hunt it down it seems to be that sweet spot that people will be happy to pay yet the music industry hasn't done that so for my edinburgh show i've done that and released it in that way and again it seems to be working people are kind of i think people like you they'll buy it and if they wouldn't buy it they were probably never going to buy it anyway and if they download it you'll get more people downloading it so i don't know how many people have illegally downloaded my shit but a lot of people have bought it so it's i think it all works out i just think it works out spreads the word but again again i'm it's that i'm completely

i think that's the way things go like i started off i think you've got to do a certain amount of free stuff i think that's totally key. You need to be giving away stuff for free and engaging and building that crowd so that hopefully when you do have stuff for sale, people will pay. Well, I think that definitely makes it a better relationship that if everything you do is just for sale. Yeah. You know, I think when you give people stuff for free, I mean, certainly like a podcast. Have you ever thought about doing something like a podcast? I'm tempted.

I've had a radio show in the UK for the last year and a half. I've just stopped that now for a bit of a break, but I'm considering going the podcast route instead. Yeah, why not? I mean, when you have a radio show, the thing about it is you're always going to be working for someone. You're always going to be uploading something to someone else else's servers and they have to decide whether or not scrupulous is getting crazy this motherfucker saying some shit that i don't agree with we're gonna have to remove them from our i mean that's exactly that kind of just being your own boss on that is yeah and much like you do with your spoken word stuff you're the creator of this stuff you

know you'd be the creator of your own podcast too yeah i think i've completely i forgot that edinburgh fringe thing i mentioned it's six dollars on my website but if you went to the code word rogan it's five dollars at the moment so you know i've i've i've i've seen your adverts i know how it works i know how to win people over so uh scroobiuspip.co.uk oh Oh, there you go..co.uk. Okay, cool. That's awesome, man. I forgot about that.

I sorted that before I came in. What are you doing over in America right now? I'm working on a new solo album. So I'm working on that with Travis Barker again, Danny Loner from Nine Inch Nails. Yeah, Danny is friends with Eddie Bravo. Yeah, Eddie was over last night. Travis seems like a cool guy. I've never met him, but we've gone back and forth online i've communicated with him a

little bit i do the last time i was over here and again he's fucking he's huge he doesn't need to yeah give anyone any favors yeah i came over and he was just he gave us about two hours in his studio of just him playing drums for the record was like a genie a genie more and just just we chatted online and he played on a track i've done previously but it was all over emails and just the most accommodating and nice guy and it's like you don't have to be this guy you could be a complete dick you could but he's yeah just played for hours and literally as soon as i left i had a message from him saying if you need any more just let me know if you know if you're in town

that's so cool that's great yeah that's amazing yeah he's about as big as it gets when it comes to drummers yeah does that guy have any room for tattoos or is he just like completely filled up he still seems to be having them all the time how's that possible he's just taking tattoos yeah yeah he's got no room man so i like that dude though he does a lot of martial arts training too he does there's a place yeah there's a place near here the way we started talking was us talking about

UFC events and epics and that's kind of how we got to to know each other so yeah yeah he loves UFC he's a big MMA fan he's always tweeting about it and stuff

that's cool man so listen we're out of time we did three hours can you believe that shit god damn it flew by it did it did but thank you for first of all thank you for letting us play your music on on the show and thanks for coming on and uh just having a chat it was fun thanks for having me on yeah pleased to be here and what was the the thing that i wish i could

say besides proper uh something with an f it't it straight away or straight away? Straight away. Something with an F. You're the worst reporter ever. I was thinking a fact. No. That's what you're always thinking of. Ladies and gentlemen, the fucking show is over

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