The Joe Rogan Experience - #552 - Kid Cudi

Episode Date: September 22, 2014

Scott Mescudi, aka Kid Cudi, is an American recording artist and actor from Cleveland, Ohio.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day whenever whenever you talk to a rapper or any dude who has like a name like kid cuddy you never know am i supposed to call you kid like immortal technique comes on the podcast all the time to this day i don't know what to call him i love that dude i love it he's cool as fuck i love talking to him but i never know what to call him do i call him tech do i call him immortal mr technique so i had to ask you before this podcast started i said do i refer to you as kid cuddy or do i call you you Scott um I introduced myself to other human beings with my government name Scott I don't walk up and say I'm Kid Cudi but no like

I get Mr. Cudi sometime and that's a little weird makes me sound like a stripper or something Mr. Cudi is cool if it's like a chick yeah yeah that's uh it's it's a weird there's not a whole lot of white dudes who ever pulled off the like the nickname like carrot top weird al right weird al's always weird al it's always weird al yankovic yeah it's no hi i'm al yankovic it's weird al right p right? P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, Prince, whatever he is. A lot of black guys pulled it off. I mean, you just keep going forever. But there's a small handful of white people that have ever pulled off the nickname.

Captain. Captain and Tennille. I thought you were going to talk about Captain Kirk. I was thinking of Lou Albano. The Captain and Tennille. The kid goes deep into the 1970s drawer. The Captain and Tennille. The kid goes deep into the 1970s drawer. The Captain and Tennille. Wow.

That's a terrible band from way back in the day. Terrible by today's standards. But back in the day, people loved them. Do you remember the Captain and Tennille? No, no. I don't remember what they sang. I shouldn't even say they're terrible because I'm being just a dick. I don't remember any of their songs.

They're probably sitting there like, hey! What's the big idea? I believe one of them is dead captain i think one of them got like some serious anorexia though i think the woman got serious i might be mixing my stories up from 1970s bands that i barely pay attention to but you want to talk about some people that got some fucking stories you know the people that that grew up during the 60s and were famous during the 70s. That's a strange little slice of American life right there. Oh, yeah. You can imagine. It was just a whole other way of living.

I think there was a lot more communication amongst human beings. Yeah, for sure. Just casual conversation. It wasn't weird. Nowadays, if you even just say hi to someone just casual conversation. It wasn't like weird. Nowadays, if you even just say hi to someone walking down the street, it's like, what the fuck? It's like you being polite. Like, what the fuck did you say to me? Well, I think two things are going on.

One, people are just nervous because there's a lot of news stories about terrible things that happen all over the world. Like most of what you get in the news is terrible things. So people are always worried about terrible things when they meet strangers. And then two, everybody's fucking texting and emailing, and the amount of time you spend person to person has probably been greatly reduced. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I'd support, you know, a healthy dose. Brian just put up a picture of the Captain Anthony.

Nice. Now we know. Nice. I need one of them caps. My buddy Miles, he has one of those caps. He rocks all the captain. Nice. Now we know. Nice. I need one of them caps. My buddy Miles, he has one of those caps. He rocks all the time. That's a good cap. If you're just letting everybody know you like to party.

Miles Teller. Miles Teller. He wears a cap like that all the time. That's one of those things. If you walk around with a captain's hat on and you're like a sober guy, you're an asshole. No, no. Miles parties. He gets it in.

That's my guy. Shut up. If you're like one of those dudes who doesn't smoke weed, doesn't drink, and you don't do total straight edge, but you're wearing a captain's hat, you're a fucking idiot. Yeah, it's not good. But there's something if you're like some Hunter S. Thompson dude with a captain's hat on.

You're on Masculine while you've got a bottle of whiskey in one hand, a bottle of vodka in the other. I want to talk to that dude. For real. I'm hanging out with him. Yeah, there's certain outfits that you're allowed to wear if you get fucked up. Like the way Stanhope dresses. If Stanhope was a sober guy, he couldn't pull off that outfit.

He's hammered all the time, so he's wearing this bright checkered leisure suit or whatever he wears. Every city he goes to a thrift store and tries to find the most shittiest, I guess, suit you could possibly find. Well, he has stuff that doesn't fit him all the time. It barely fits him. He's awesome. So, dude, you're a young man. You're doing very well. Everything is going well for you.

This is an exciting time in your life. Yeah, man. I'm trying. What's it like to be Kid Cudi? It's cool, man. I feel like that's intrusive no no no i mean um you know it's nothing too spectacular i'm mostly like trying to stay creative and uh hang around family a lot get family time man with my mom and my daughter and so like my life is split between that and you. You know, it's a good balance. I've found the balance now at 30, yeah.

At 30? Dude, you're living the dream. Yeah, it's cool, man. I can't complain. Even on the days I complain, I realize I can't complain. You definitely can't complain. No, I mean, to be a professional entertainer is probably the luckiest job of all time. Like, you made it.

Well, it's really deeper than that. I think to just have a fan base you know that's supportive is the real ultimate you know blessing because you know guys get record deals all the time and you know some of their music is you know but then how dare you it's just like you know but then when you have you know you have a lot of artists that come and you know end up having like a grassroots following and they have a fan base that rides with them their entire career that's that's man that's a that's a blessing on top of a blessing you never know because today's audience you know these kids like you one minute they hate you the next like you one minute they hate you next and to have a loyal fan base in that type of climate and it's awesome yeah that is the thing that it used to be like if you were a rapper or any kind of entertainer

You were only as good of your comedian You were only as good as the people got to see you out there like it was really difficult To build a fan base if you weren't on something if you weren't on a television show If you weren't, you know a weekly regular guest like The Tonight Show or something like that It was really hard for someone like build a fan base yeah but today because of the internet rappers singers musicians i mean everybody comedians all they can kind of keep tabs and just communicate with people like directly yeah yeah and i i feel like i kind of was at the the beginning the early stages of that wave of you know just you know another way for people to find music online, new artists,

music that you probably wouldn't hear on the radio, stuff that's quality music. And now things are way more advanced, even since when I started, when I dropped Day and Night. That was 2007. I think the only platform at that time that I had at my disposal to upload music was Myspace you know and that was literally how the world discovered my voice you know through my myspace music page how did myspace

drop the ball so hard they had the world by the balls they had everybody i think um you know everybody i don't think i don't even think they've fallen off like that. I just think that there's just so much. There's just so much out there. There's definitely so much out there. There's an overabundance of, you know. It's like for every Facebook, there's five more other Facebooks. Well, there's always new ones coming out, too.

It's got to be hard to figure out a new thing, though. Like, what's the new thing? Does it involve video? What's going to be the new thing? Memes and emojis. I think it's just a combination of everything just like when you it's a one-stop shop to just anything that you can you know dick around on the internet with it's possible through this app you know yeah probably right i think it's also have you seen that new thing um that uh unbox therapy did

a video on oh my god lewis from unboxy did this video of this new Iron Man tech. If you go to his page, go to Unbox Therapy, Iron Man for real, I think it's called. There's a YouTube video that he put up. It's insane, man. What does it do? You're putting on these gloves, or these goggles, rather, that cover your eyes, sort of Oculus Rift style. But you see everything. I would see you clearly.

But in front of you there's like icons and things that i can move around i can open things and close them and you do it all with hand gestures so like as i'm looking at you if i had these these goggles on i'd be looking at you and i'd see these floating geometric objects like boxes circles and you can open them up and close them and move them around and they stay places like minority report style oh remember he's doing that on the screen yeah but you're going to be able to do it like in the air right like when when tony stark put that helmet on he could see a bunch of shit in front of him that's going to be like reality and in his words in lewis's words he said this guy wants to make the world the desktop the world is your screens well it's takeaway screens and the

screens are going to be the world you put this thing on and you just see through it and there's no more screens anymore everything you do you do through this this is his ultimate goal now there's a like do the glasses look all like fucking gnarly like you know some super visor virtual reality yeah you can see them they're right up there they're pretty big right now but so was the first phone yeah you know the first that's true remember those home telephones those giant boxes they used to have to crank call people up and they used to oh wow fucking put cables into holes and shit you remember all that that was what a that was what an old phone used to be like but you know what this type of technology you wouldn't want you down the street or on your everyday that easily to access. I mean, people wouldn't.

You know what I mean? It's kind of not that weird that it's kind of big and something that you got to be stationary with at home. I think that actually saves the world in some small way. For a few years. Yeah, until Apple figures it out to have it on your phone or something. They're going to make it in a Google Glass form for sure. Well, the Google Glass is just a smaller version of that. Yeah.

Except you can't, you know, you swipe and stuff, but you can't really manipulate the image in real time. Have you played with it at all? Yeah, I got one. I got one. You know, it's cool. I mean, I'm not going to, I went out in the streets a couple times I actually tweeted about this I tweeted about it

Because it was so funny to me My experience going out in public with Google Glass People just really thought I was either Taking a picture of them or filming them And people were really concerned Because there's no recording lie And you can tell that there's a lens there And especially once people ask

you what it is and you say google glass people have heard about it they're like are you filming me and i thought it was interesting you know because this is something that like you know you might see a celebrity you know freak out because they're getting photographed or filmed trying to you know live their lives and do something with their families and try to have some privacy and then the public really doesn't understand why they might freak out and why that might be intrusive But you know it's it's a funny twist for me to walk in a place and all of a sudden someone's like oh Are you filming me or what like what are you doing?

And this is like no I'm not filming a random person that's intrusive because I understand that that's intrusive But it is it's a potential option for the future. That's weird about it, but it just it was it was interesting to just see like that was Besides people being like oh, it's cool. Can I try it. But it just, it was interesting to just see like, that was, besides people being like, ooh, it's cool, can I try it? It was just like, are you filming me? Like, are you filming me

or are you taking a picture and how am I supposed to know that you're telling me the truth? Right. You know? Yeah. Because you could just be lying and then,

even if I take it off, it cuts off, so it's not like you can see what I'm seeing when I'm doing it, you know? Well, they have little cameras. Remember Stan Hope

had that Fox show? Way back then, they had little cameras that would go on glasses, like in the eyebrow part of a glass. And he put his glasses on, and he would walk into some place and do these pranks. And the film was good enough to put on television. And that was a long time ago.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you could film stuff and put it up on your Twitter through the Google Glass, and the photos are pretty quality. I've done it a couple times. Wow. It's going to get crazier than that, right? It's going to get to some point where you're going to be able to put contact lenses on or something like that.

Yeah. But I don't know if I'm – I mean, that's wild, man. Iron Man shit with contact lenses. And they all have their own – they get charged with solar power. Yeah. Because your eyes are always open. Yeah. I don't know if I would want to put – because your eyes are always open yeah right so

you're getting constant solar energy right technology in my eye though i don't know if i want to yeah i definitely don't want to right now but if it's awesome in the future you might be the problem is if everybody has it it's awesome yeah you know i mean i would always been tied to a phone just because it's so dope like to have a phone is an incredible thing you know i'd rather have a cyborg arm before i have a contact a cyborg arm yeah you know i mean but would you see the real thing about the cyborg arm that really freaks me out this is no bullshit it really does kind of freak me out i we we watched this video once of a dude from australia that got his arm and his leg bit off i think i've seen that exactly yeah yeah it's amazing so this guy had no arm and no leg but he walked without a limp and his hands moved around he didn't move as good

i mean he probably couldn't play piano or something like that but moved pretty goddamn good a lot better than the old ones that came with like the hook style old ones and i was thinking like this guy is still a person 100 human but he has an artificial arm and an artificial leg like what what if the shark bit everything but his head and they took his head and they put it on an artificial body what would that be that is that still a person i guess it's a person it's got a person's head but what if they said listen man this transfer of your head to this artificial body is not working that good your body's rejecting it your head's rejecting the body but the good news is we can completely duplicate your brain and put it in

this artificial head so to be like your brain except better because it's never going to get old it's not going to rot away like well are you a person then no because i think your soul is just gone at that point i would like to believe too. But imagine if that's how people were essentially created in the first place. Just slow improvements. What if they go, okay, we're going to take a snapshot of your brain right now because we're going to transfer it to this new body. So anything after this point, you're not going to remember. So then for like 10 minutes before they pull the plug on this body,

you can just abuse the person to death. That's you. You were thinking some ridiculous thing to do to your body, not the existential angst of dying and having no soul. You're thinking about playing with someone's ball when they're asleep. And you're 40. Congratulations. Speaking of cameras, Joe, I just got one added to my car.

So it records everything now that my car does. And it does it on GPS. And then when you watch it on your computer, it shows real-time Google Maps and like a 360 view almost of your car. Wow. 180 view of your front. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. It's called Roadhog.

Hawk. Hog. Roadhog? Hawk. Roadhog? And what it does is you just put a memory card in there, and it constantly records HD video. Where are the cameras? The camera is like this little box.

It looks like a baby radar detector that you just put underneath your, like, behind your rearview mirror. Uh-huh. You know? So you just put it on the windshield right there. And you have to run power. I just plug mine into my cigarette lighter. And it connects to GPS, and it records on a memory card Where's the cameras?

Has a wide-angle lens so it gets everything in your car the front of your car and it also gets sound it Wow And it attracts everything because I was just tired of driving around Hollywood like going to the Comedy Store every night and then and then Like almost getting in car accidents crazy crackheads like jumping in the street like all this shit happening all the time i'm like something's going to happen soon you know and i don't have this people have to see this well you know in russia that's when they had those uh those meteors they caught those that's how they caught them they caught them because those people have dash cams because apparently um like fraud and like that kind of shit like accident fraud like super common in russia like they pull shady moves all the time. So a lot of people have those little cameras on their dash

to make sure they can resolve disputes. There was a thing that was going around in California for a while where people were suing people. They would get in accidents on purpose. A bunch of people died from it. They'd get on the highway, get in front of you, and slam on the brakes. So you slam into them.

And this one dude who was an illegal alien, so it was like all the Republicans were up in arms. Wait, there's only one illegal alien does something shady. Everybody freaks the fuck out. But this, uh, this dude had,

uh, done it a couple of times. He'd done it a couple of times. And, you know, that was his move. That's the way he made a lot of money. Just get in front of people,

slam on the brakes. Yeah. But you know, that's a risky fucking shit well you ain't got nothing to lose it's like fuck it yeah i guess it's just they're uh playing the lottery in the promised land yeah it's just very very strange that's the item that's the item see right there is uh where you put the memory card in that's not that big no it is kind of like it's hard to tell perspective wise it's it's like yeah It's like a cell phone size, basically.

I can barely even see my mind hidden behind my mirror. Like a disposable camera. That's probably the best way to describe it. It's like a disposable camera. And what's cool, it does like a DVR loop, like what security companies do, where they have to film everything, like a jewelry store or something.

When it gets to the end of the memory card, it just goes back to the beginning, unless you pull it out and save the files it's just it just records over records everything over and over how long before people start making porn with those i know it seems like but you know what it's also great it automatically turns on so if you give your card to like a valet or something you could hear what they're doing doing it or you could turn it around nice that's the new that's the new that's where you can turn it around. Nice. That's the new web show. That's what I'm getting it for. That's what I'm getting it for.

That's right. Send me the link. Valet porn. Valets blowing each other in your car. Oh, no. You get out to your car, and you're like, what the hell?

Oh, no. I'm reviewing it right now. I have a review website now. You have a review website now? Yeah, javalamps.com. Oh, that's good. Yeah. That's good. You stopped doing that review website now? Yeah, javalamps.com. Oh, that's good. Yeah. That's good.

You stopped doing that for a while. Yeah, because I lost my Amazon account. How does that work, man? Did you ever try to get it back? Yeah, I tried three times with my LLC, social security number, or whatever, the business ID number. I tried with them, so it was completely away from me. I tried everything. And finally, they just let me through because of this java lamps thing so they did let you through they just finally did after about four years of not letting me do it is it because you changed the name of your website i guess so website and everything i don't know

how annoying yeah yeah it seems like there was a weird thing. It was like they're upset at you because you're connected to porn, right? Isn't that the idea? Because I had porn stars on Death Squad. That's so ridiculous. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with porn stars. Nothing.

Nothing. Don't they sell porn? I mean, if you go to Amazon.com, don't they sell porn? Yeah. Did you buy porn on Amazon.com? They sell vibrators. They sell Hitachis. By the way, did you see Missy Martinez, our friend Missy, who does Kill Tony with us a

lot of times? She was on TMZ because her Hitachi blew up in her pussy. No! Okay. Did it really blow up in her pussy or did she blow it up in her pussy and make it the equivalent to the mexican dude slamming on his brakes on the highway it was was it the vibrator equivalent um what happened is it to the braking crash what happened is it just started sparking and i have flames and smoke

started coming out of footage did she start screaming yeah the that good that's why it's sparking oh no there's the hitachi though and what's weird is that this is not and there's nothing new about this if you look online there's tons of uh hitachi's blowing up and uh porn stars what yeah because it's it's the only vibrator that you plug into a wall so it's like it's like the dumbest like because it's really for your back because it's supposed to be high powered. But like, girls are getting so numb down there that they're using these Hitachis, these high powered ones that just like shave off the walls of their vagina. Oh my God. You can't just do it anymore. Yeah.

That is insane. Cutting it. Oh my God. They take things to the next level. It's just like when we were talking about bodybuilders of like the 1960s in comparison to the bodybuilders of today. I think it's the same way with like the way girls beat on their pussies. Absolutely. I bet in the old days, just a little spit in your fingers, you didn't need anything.

They didn't need anything. Their vaginas were super sensitive. Technology fucked things up. So did circumcision fucked things up for us. Apparently, if you don't have a foreskin, the head of your dick gets, like, kind of just abused. It's always bouncing around inside your underwear. Having a foreskin, the reason why

men are upset, not just the fact that it's ritual genital mutilation that doesn't make any sense, but also that it kills the sensitivity in your dick. I mean, that's great. Wouldn't you like your dick to look like clint eastwood not like fucking ryan stecrest or something that doesn't make any sense because

you're beating the tip of your dick up i mean if you look at your dick it looks like you're beating up your dick and it looks like clint eastwood today are you talking about clint eastwood from the fucking outlaw josie wales days yeah. Are you talking spaghetti westerns? I'm talking about Porch One. The handsome Clint Eastwood, not the crazy-looking old man that talks to Obama. Yeah. Well, he talked to Obama.

That was the... Do you remember that? Get off my Porsche. Do you remember that shit that he did on TV where he sat Obama down? No. You didn't see it? No.

Oh, you should watch it. You should watch it. We'll pull this up. Dude, yeah, we'll pull it up. What is he... This was recent? Oh, my God. It was during the? No. Oh, you should watch it. You should watch it. Can we watch it now? Dude, yeah, we'll pull it up. This was recent? Oh, my God. It was during the presidential elections. Oh, okay.

He pretended to sit Obama down on stage and improv'd it. Didn't have anything poignant to say, but improv'd it. It was so incredibly disrespectful. It was so ridiculous. What, he was just pretending to have a conversation with him? He sat him down below him. He didn't just have a conversation. He wasn't, like, pretending to have a conversation with him sat him down below him he didn't just have a conversation he wasn't like pretending to have a conversation with obama where they're looking eye to eye like men no he sat him down in a chair and started it was the strangest fucking thing ever this is it here yeah yeah yeah he was uh having that thing and they were talking

about hope and change and they were talking about yes we can. And it was dark and outdoors, and it was nice, and people were lighting candles, and they were saying, you know, and I just thought, this is great. I mean, everybody's crying. Oprah was crying, and I was even crying. And then finally, I haven't cried that hard since I found out that there's 23 million unemployed people in this country. Wait, he sat him down here? Yeah. Yeah.

Where is he sitting? Oh, here he is no you gotta back it up cause that's the chair like he puts him down in the chair no no no back it up a little bit more

yeah yeah so So, Mr. President, how do you handle promises that you made when you were running for election? And how do you handle how do you handle it I mean what do you say to people do you do you just you know I know people people were wondering you don't well I know even some of the people in your own party were very disappointed when you didn't close Gitmo and I thought well I think get think Gitmo, closing Gitmo, why close that? We spent so much money

on it. But I thought maybe it's an excuse. What do you mean shut up? I thought it was just because somebody had... You want to watch the whole thing? No. It's worse than I remembered. It's worse than I remembered. I remembered it being bad, but holy shit. I like how CNN jumped to the MTV camera where they're in the audience and it's all shaky to try to make it more entertaining. Oh, my God.

So ridiculous. What the hell is he doing? He's being an old dude. That's what he's doing. Yeah. Being an old Republican dude.'s what he's doing. Yeah. Being an old Republican dude. You know, crusty. Conservative.

Not like, they don't like the youth, the young of America, like yourself. Didn't he just do that movie? Didn't he just do that movie, though? What was it? Well, he's like, the movie you were just talking about. About the immigrants? He was really pissed about people being on this porch yeah what was that movie called again i don't know it was it was named after a vehicle

el camino is um el camino that's uh the black keys grand turismo el camino is the grand you know the black keys the black keys have a cd called Camino yeah don't they I think so yeah yeah yeah El Torito whatever was El Torino brand to read grant arena I had a friend whose girlfriend had one of those cars way back in the day does a goofy ass car does back in America just made these houses on wheels they made a living room they just drove around in these big old fucking crazy american cars man yeah that was a movie about what it was like about immigrants wasn't it

i don't know if it was people moving in his neighborhood some i've just seen the previews i don't i just remember seeing that in the preview being really pissed about kids being on his porch yeah that's all i remember yeah but i mean i was sold i mean i wanted to see it i just never got around to it maybe i'll check it out um i think you got better shit to do with your time i don't know seeing clint eastwood being pissed about people being on his front porch i mean he had a shotgun in his hand, too. I remember that. So he was on my porch. Well, do you remember when Clint Eastwood did a reality show? A lot of people don't remember that. Yeah, see? What was this?

Yeah, Clint Eastwood's wife was on a reality show before he got divorced. He divorced her. But she was on a reality show. And it was like some knucklehead show. It was ridiculous. But was he on episodes? I don't remember if he was on it. I never watched it.

But, yeah, it's one of those things where the wife wanted to do it remember if he was on it. I never watched it. But, yeah. It's one of those things. Where, like, the wife wanted to do it, and he was like, oh. Okay. He finds himself in some ridiculous situation. Have you ever met him? No. I always see him in bourbon, because I think he has a studio at Warner Brothers, so he's always walking on the sidewalk out there, and it's weird just driving by going, is that?

Dude, that guy gives a pass for life for me, for The Unforgiven. That, I think, is the greatest cowboy movie of all time. Oh, yeah. That shit was like, it was so realistic. So dope. That was such a good, scary-ass cowboy movie. And that was Clint Eastwood at his finest. Yeah.

You know? I just love how he's just like, I don't live like that no more. Yeah. The whole movie is just like, I'm not that guy. I love it. And then they just dragged him in. Spoiler alert. Oh, yeah.

Let's not tell him. But he's like one of those dudes that becomes this old guy, and then he becomes like super duper conservative. There's a bunch of those guys. Like Cosby's a guy like that. He's like super duper conservative now. John Voight. Yeah. I mean, that movie though

is one of my favorites especially morgan freeman too one of my favorite morgan freeman movies fuck yeah yeah yeah man that was just a perfect movie like everything yeah yeah just the way the i mean i don't want to give away the ending but the way it all goes down so much more likely than most of those stupid shoot-em-up movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was much more probably like how the way people would behave. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

It ended up getting messy in there. But I like how it kind of just started off like real chill. And you kind of just, you know, oh, hey. Yeah. I'm here. Yeah, that was a fascinating look at the old west that was like he's almost like he did it like he did all those westerns back in the day like the good the bad and the ugly and fun movies yeah but they weren't super realistic you know and i think as he got

older i'm not just speculating but he wanted to do one more that really got it right like the way they make movies today as opposed Like the way they make movies today as opposed to the way they made movies back in like High Plains Drifter days. Did you see True Grit? Yeah, I saw both. I saw the old one and the new one. It was not bad.

The new one. It was not bad. It was not a bad movie. I liked it. It's just whenever you have a movie where you're redoing an old movie, people are harsh, you know? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, but you know, I feel like it kind of brought some of that realness that, you know, Unforgiven had. Yeah, it definitely did. Yeah. I mean, it was a good movie, for sure. There was a lot of fun shit going on in that movie. But, god damn, man, remaking a John Wayne movie is hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, Hollywood, they do what they can.

I mean, it wasn't like, you know, most of the shit that comes out that gets regurgitated, you know? It's what they can I mean it wasn't like, you know Most of the shit that comes out that gets regurgitated, you know, it's gotta be hard to make movies man You know one of the beautiful things about do you write all your own lyrics? Yes. Thank God I'm blessed with that ability, you know A lot of guys don't see think of that just think of think of that like how happy you are you write on your own shit Yeah, and imagine this is you're a one-man situation, you know, want the kid cuddy experience you only go through one door there's no one else there right so they go to you but you don't have to worry about the producer getting along with director getting along with the actor the network has notes the studio rather has notes about the script the screenwriter wants to change this and the actor wants to improv that

and you're managing it out with a fucking makeup lady who's fucking the hairdresser and everybody's doing blow after the sets close down look it's craziness man making a movie's it can go down like that in music though too you know if i did in of my careers it's purely my vision and stuff so it's a different it's a little unorthodox and you know what most people do you know the average you know pop star there might be about you know six people involved just to get the album together you know somebody to get songwriters somebody to get uh producers in the room you know um and then there could be chemistries off you know this person might not mesh with this writer and this producer might not mess with this artist. And there's all this going on and I'm pretty sure it gets messy.

But this this I've just been blessed not to deal with that. You know, I have a I had an idea of, you know, what I wanted my career to be. And I've been sticking to that that goal and that plan, you know. And what was the idea? If you could give us one line of it. Man, I really just truthfully wanted to tell my story, and hopefully it inspired others to not feel alone and understand that they can persevere through anything. At that time, I like to tell people

I don't even know if I believed half of the shit I wrote. When I made Pursuit of Happiness, I was hopeful for happiness, but I was in such a dark place that that song for me was more of a nightmare more than, you know,

supposed to be a happy, uplifting song. You were in a dark place. How so? Well, just like, I think coming to terms with just the fame factor. You know,

I always felt like I would get some type of recognition, you know? I didn't know to what magnitude. You know, people say like, oh, you know i always i always felt like i would get some type of recognition you know i didn't know uh to what magnitude you know people say like oh you know you know what you signed up for but like you really don't you know and you kind of have an idea and you feel like oh it'd be cool but like i doesn't and i still to this day i don't look in the mirror and see myself how other

people see me you know so i never I never could prepare myself for what came. And everything came so fast, you know. So that brought on darkness? Yeah, because I just wasn't comfortable. And then I had to, you know, I was in a place where it was like all this pressure all of a sudden to be something and to deliver, you know, a certain type of quality. And these are things that I've stepped up to the plate and I was excited about doing. But I didn't know that it would stress me out to that magnitude that it did.

You know, I just didn't know that many people will be watching and paying attention or care that much. What was the number one consequence? What was the number one consequence? I just think I didn't see it being too big of a consequence that I couldn't deal with, you know, losing a lot of my freedom. But now that I have a daughter, you know, I just worry more about her now, you know. And I just want her to have a normal life. And I want her to, you know, have that opportunity. And now I think about it more now than I did then, you know, before she was born.

Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. I have children. When you have children, it really becomes more about them than it does even about you in a lot of ways. Because it's like the way you live your life is now always going to be like what's the best way for them. Right. And if it's not that way, you're going to feel sick. Right. You're going to feel like what's the best way for them right and if it's not that way you're gonna feel sick right you're gonna feel like you're doing something wrong exactly yeah it's it's a weird situation when you bring people into this world you're responsible for little tiny

people and you gotta you gotta teach them shit and raise them and oh yeah no one it's really hard i mean i would say no one because i think people are capable of intellectualizing it. But most people have no idea, I should put it that way, how intense the love a person has for their kid is. Yeah. It's pretty intense. Yeah. I mean, it's something that, you know, you have to have. You have to have a child to experience. You know, you can't explain it.

You know, it's just, I mean, my daughter is, man, she's everything, man. It's also why, like, when you see kids that are abused, it's it's just i mean my daughter is man she everything man it's also why like when you see kids that are abused it's so extra disturbing yeah because it's almost unimaginable who would do that yeah who would do that to anyone's kid and who would do that to their own kid it's just you know i've met people that have their parents beat them and it's a fucking weird place to be talk to someone who's the person they love more than anything beats the shit out of them when they do something wrong. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

You know? And there's a difference between a whooping and a beating. Well, this Adrian Pugh thing. You know? This NFL thing. The guy who beat his kid with a stick. You know? And the excuse is that, I guess, like, when he was young, that's how they treated him.

Right. That's how he was raised. Right. Like, I don't know what the kid did that was so horrible. How was young that's how they treated him that's how he was raised like i don't know what the kid did that was so horrible how old was this kid do you know and man i don't even be reading into that really young right like nine or something like that well whatever it was when you know they talk about they say well this is the way he grew up which is true but man there's got to be a way to end that cycle you can't be beating kids with sticks in 2014. i mean everybody should know that by now i just think it's a cop-out for people to use that as

an excuse we're like those are always raised even like just with anything you know because that's just a cop-out that's just somebody not wanting to change and grow with the times i mean if we could find any way to be less violent we should try it yeah certainly anything where there's victims involved yeah especially if the victim's a little kid yeah and you by the way if you get kids used to the idea that the person they love the most their parents is a person who's going to beat them and hit them with things you are introducing violence into that kid's life at a very early age and that violence becomes a natural part of the world it becomes something to expect that's why they say that you know people who are around their parents beating each other up are

more likely to be involved in abusive relationships when they get older they say it's that kids people who are hit by their parents or people watch their parents hit each other and we're hit by their parents it's even worse apparently yeah it's awful yeah i awful. Yeah, I mean, who's to say? I mean, my mom spanked us, you know, but she had three boys to deal with by herself the majority of the time, you know? It's hard, man. And I mean, it's not like, you know,

I don't, you know, look at my mom as a villain, but she didn't beat us. I can't say, like, I've been beaten by my mom. Like, when I did some hoe-ass shit, you know, my mom reprimanded me and i deserved it you know when you're doing some sucker shit as a kid you know especially before you do it you know you know that there's a a consequence that comes with that but i've never um experienced that you know uh what i'm pretty sure a lot of people are you know talking about right now which is like thinking it's okay to beat up on your kids.

But like my daughter's four and a half. I haven't had to reprimand her in that way. And I never will. You know what I'm saying? That's just how I do. I think it's a different situation too. When you got a single mom dealing with young sons, like shit can get really unruly.

That's what I'm saying. It's like, but even in, but even with that, they weren't beatings. Right. It's a reprimand. So yeah saying it's like totally but even in but even with that it they weren't beatings right it's a reprimand so yeah it's like a difference yeah this that is a big difference and that's that's something that people don't like to admit right it's never good to beat your kids but if you're a young woman who's raising young boys and they don't respect you shit i got yardstick I got yardsticked.

You got yardsticked? Yeah, my mom had a yardstick. Where'd she hit you? On my ass, but it never hurt. Like, she would smack, and I'm like, oh, okay, I deserve that. Right. You're just more humiliating. It's not like stripped down naked.

No. You know, after you're out the shower, catch you off guard, you know. Take the yardstick. You thought I forgot. Heat it on fire until it's fucking white hot. Yeah. None of that. I saw a video of these fucking idiots.

One kid put an iron, a hot iron. They lost a bet. The kid lost a bet. So he put a hot iron on his back. Like, and left a mark. Left an iron mark. Oh, that's for life, too. Yeah.

That's not going to work. Most likely. Fucking. It's a brand. College kids, man. That's, too. Yeah. That's not going to work. Most likely. Fucking stupid college kids, man. That's a memory. And kids today that are trying to make videos of all this shit, too. That's like half the thing.

They're making videos while they're doing this stupid shit. That's the motivation. It's like, let's show people how fucking idiotic we can be. We're a star. We're lucky more people aren't dead. It seems like people would just be killing themselves accidentally left and right trying to make these fucking videos. Did you see that video? I'm not sure if it's 100% real or not, but the girl boils water and then films her taking this huge thing of boiling water and pouring it over a dude's head.

There's pictures of him. He's been in the hospital with all these burns all over his body. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, just from a video. Was this like the ALS? Yeah, it was like Ice Bucket Challenge, but boiling water. Are you serious? Yeah, totally serious.

I'll find it for you. No, I don't want to watch that. Oh my God, people are so stupid. I bet it's probably real. I mean, I don't know if it's real, but I bet it's probably real. People are dumb as shit, man. Fuck, man.

That saddens me. Yeah. Fuck. That's not cool. Yeah, you can overhear some conversations that'll make you lose your faith in humanity yeah if you imagine if you were there in their goofy ass backyard but thinking about throwing boiling water on this kid yeah you'd be like you know that is gonna fuck you up for the rest of your life like you're gonna be covered in scars like that might as well

be lava you idiot yeah that's okay that's like you know your life has changed forever after that yeah i mean at very least it's going to be some pretty significant scarring right boiling water oh yeah the medical bills for that you know just the pain and suffering just for one stupid ass video where people can think you're an idiot you have scar tissue on your face for the rest of your life because oh so were these kids uh you know like were they reprimanded and yeah it didn't really get into that point it just showed the video of your life because oh so were these kids uh you know like were they reprimanded and yeah it didn't really get into that part it just showed the video of the girl doing it boiling in the water and doing it on him and then so this is like a news no i think it made the news because

there was a there's a photo of him later where he's just sitting there all burnt like and bandaged up his whole body's all up man what is this desire to make these fucking goofy videos it's horrible and bullying now has taken it to the next level because kids are all filming them bullying people and then putting it online so now what do you mean bowling bully bullying bullying yeah bullies christ sorry bullying i'm like they're going bowling they're going bowling i thought there's like a new thing where you like roll in a fetal position and knock people down like pins. I was really trying to figure out what you were saying. But yeah, people are taking videos of them beating up other kids and then putting it online and sharing it around the class and stuff.

So now you just see these videos of these poor kids getting bullied. Well, how are these kids not getting in trouble? I mean, can't they? They are. They are now. But the acts are already being done. Yeah. We live in weird times.

Weird times. It's like what we were talking about earlier, about people worrying about your Google Glasses recording them. They're recording everything. And kids are growing up with that. It's like a normal part of life. Yeah. You know, when you first got into the internet,

would you say you were in your late high school days when you really started getting into it yeah yeah because that was i mean we ain't had no you're 30 now we had no computer except at the schoolhouse so that was the only time and then you couldn't really explore that much you know it wasn't much out there because well there was stuff out there but i mean the teachers kept it restricted you know? There wasn't much out there. Because, well, there was stuff out there, but, I mean, the teachers kept it restricted. You know, there were certain sites you couldn't go to

and, you know, you couldn't watch porn and stuff, which was a big bummer back then. It was a big bummer. Can they do that? They can block stuff now

in schools, right? Do they block stuff at, like, universities? They have to, man. I mean, the internet is just so much more on there now than it was back then.

But do they allow, like, porn sites, like, in dorms? Can kids download porn? Well, I mean, there's, I mean, the internet is just so much more on there now than it was back then. But do they allow like porn sites like in dorms? Can kids download porn? Well, I mean, there's, I mean, you don't even have to go to a site no more. You know what I mean? Well, yeah. I mean, you don't, but you could always just download it, right? From like a torrent.

Well, you could just Google porn and it'll be right there. Right. That's true. Yeah. But I was just wondering like whether or not. I'm giving out tips, guys. What's your favorite site? You look at which one the one behind you it's right there it is right dude you're a natural pitchman for the internet yeah it should be like the like the internet's official spokesperson. Man, they need to hit me up.

Let's go. So you, you know, getting out of high school and then growing up, like, essentially, like, your young teens, your 20s, all that, like, being able to, like, get online at school and then being, like, completely immersed, like, being a part of, like, interactive communities, talking to people. That's, you know, you're, like, one of the first generations to people that's you know the you're like one of the first generations of you musicians that's able to do that it's able to go like directly from high school into communicating online with

people releasing stuff online and then you know becoming a part of this first generation is a bunch now there's like a lot of artists that are becoming really well known because of just interacting with people online yeah not even not even putting out any music just being online and you know you know whatever having an identity on on on the internet you know yeah there's that too right that's something that people value about you as well it's not just that you know they like your They like you. They like to talk to you. You know what I'm saying? You've got a cool personality. Thank you.

You're a cool guy on social media. You're yourself. Yeah. I think it's important. No, I think it is my job and my calling to also show the world a different type of person in the position that I'm in. show the world a different type of person in the position that I'm in. You know, someone, you know, isn't really big into conforming because of my job, because, you know, of the people around me, because of the people I work with. You know, I always tell people I'm a human being first before anything.

You know, you're born naked, you go in a really nice suit, you know, and everything that happens in between is just madness and we figure it out along the way but you know it's it's really interesting how a lot of people just kind of like you know get this this blessing this job getting this business and they just you know get really caught up and i never wanted i never wanted to be that guy and and the beauty of twitter it's like at first i was really against it because it just was so much you know unfilteredness and i've learned to appreciate it like literally i get a lot of confidence just by looking at my feed and seeing maybe a couple tweets that are like yo man keep doing it right and i'm not necessarily doing anything right now i don't have any music coming

out but it's just a random tuesday and there's some kid in minnesota that's like yo i fucking love you dude keep going we're listening and i might have needed to hear that that day you know so like those kids don't know that that means that much to me and it does so like i wasn't really that big with talking you know and having such a presence online because i was weird about it but now that i got a grip over it it's it's no problem for me i love that i can you know just hit up a kid randomly and just make their whole year you know and just right some confidence or something that's using it for good you know rather than me posting a picture of some jewelry or some new thousand dollar sneakers I bought that doesn't do anybody any good other than being like damn I ain't got shit you know that's the reality that people

realize and then it's like well I need to do what i gotta do so i can have what he have and i don't want people to think like that you know like when i post i like to post like you know maybe my lactate milk or so does this come from like lessons that you've learned watching other people and but like the their behavior you felt like the shortcomings of their behavior once they became famous oh yeah man I watched everybody around me you know and I think and I and I and I've kind of used I want kids to look at me and understand what not to do you know when I was dealing with my drug issues back in 2010 2009 you know I was just heavy into cocaine and it was like a big thing for me yeah and it was like a really big thing for me and it was something that you know kept me level or something that i felt like i needed

self-medicating and uh you know so you felt like cocaine kept you level yeah man because i had this whole technique uh where i don't know if i even should get into this i don't even want to talk about this you don't have to run around and talk and do it you know but let's just say i got into like you know uh what i would call like you know a trifecta which was you know i would wake up in the morning i would uh you know do coke immediately even before i had cereal breakfast and then i would have a beer and then i would smoke weed so like I never wanted people to know I was doing cocaine. So the beer and the marijuana leveled me out in a way where I was able to walk in the streets and talk and seem as though I wasn't on anything. But deep inside, I'm just like, you know, with my face and just like, yeah, that's right.

You know, but what it did for me, it completely numbed me. I didn't care about anything, and I was a robot. But also, with being so numb, it allowed me to go out and meet my fans and be out in the street. So in a twisted way, it did a positive thing for me, and that's why I didn't see it as an issue. It was like, damn, today I went walking in Soho with no place to go, and I was just high-fiving fans and shit. It was just the most amazing experience, something that I never get a chance to feel because I'm just such a recluse. At that time, I was just weirded out when people recognized me and just didn't want to go anywhere. Yeah, that's an issue with substances that can help you in some ways, but they're ultimately detrimental to your health or your well-being or your ability to keep it together.

Yeah. I mean, I abused it. It's not like the guy who goes out with his buddies in spring break and he's like, hey, let's do a bump. And it's like, hey, cool. Those guys aren't real. Those guys are only people in movies, man. Everybody else is just too broke to keep going they just don't have the amount of money that it requires to be a fucking full-time coke head yeah it was definitely

expensive man it was definitely expensive but you know i um did you find like why you're doing it every day like was there a thing that made you stop because that's usually there's a moment you got caught and then people started to know I did it. Did you get arrested? Yeah. And it was like, damn, now everybody knows I do it. This is not cool anymore. Like, it's only cool when no one knows. Coke is a weird one, right?

Yeah. It's like, I didn't really let, you know, I didn't let the public make me feel bad about it, though. It was just kind of like, fuck, I guess I can't do that no more. And then also, my daughter was born. can't do that no more and then also my daughter was born so it was like you know it was it was like two kind of life lessons back to back that i experienced in in 2010 and you know my daughter's birth and being arrested were those two things because i think i had already started toning down my cocaine use the beginning of that year but then i was the king of like something tragic happening or something i felt was tragic or

stressful and then spiraling back into it just needing any excuse to be all right I'm gonna go do cocaine now because I'm upset and I'm dealing with something I don't know how to do it's just like my way of copping out and avoiding my issues wow you know so it's like a block it was like maybe a couple months ago by I'd be in Hawaii you know working on some stuff with Kanye and I never did cocaine or anything around those guys that was like my time to detox when i would be away because you know i if you do coke you're either doing coke with other people you know or alone and i felt weird about traveling the world and every every place i was at asking people where the drugs was at so like it was something i did you know at home and at a certain time you know and which was you know i was able to like kind of

keep it together and go out and work on my music and be into it i had a system it was a weird sick system i developed you know for myself you know where you know i was able to be cool if i wasn't in new york but then when i was back in new york it was on you know because it was just like being at home in the apartment alone for hours on end just really just got me, you know? Right. And doing it just kind of like, oh, man, I could just put on Leaky Lee and just chill out for hours by myself and it's all good. It's interesting that the arrest made you want to stop. Was it because the feeling like, oh, shit, an event has taken place?

This is obviously a big sign that i'm going down the wrong direction i'm i'm in i'm dealing with a legal system now i'm getting arrested no i was it was just more like did i this is not scott mescity how in the hell did i let this become scott mescity how in the fuck do I got people looking at me like I'm not Scott Meskity and I know what it was and I know

how to fix that and I went I just it was just I didn't like how people were looking at me at that moment in time

so they were looking at you like you're a coke fiend yeah crazy cracked out dude like everywhere I would go it was just

these looks and I was just like man I just did a little blow get off my back you know what I mean? Get off my back. You know what I mean? Like, y'all motherfuckers acting like, yo, I ain't never did a bump.

Get out of here, man. Like, it was so, I was just like, are you kidding me? People love to be sanctimonious. Yeah, yeah. But that's the thing. When it happened, I wasn't like, you know, on, you know, the next complex interview I did, like, I have a statement that i issued here this camera okay i'm really sorry to all my fans for you guys knowing i do cocaine now or i used to i don't do it anymore uh i'm sorry if i let anyone down fuck that you know fuck that

it was really just like i'm dealing with some shit if you don't understand and i don't give a fuck this is how i was surviving if i didn't do it, I don't give a fuck. This is how I was surviving. If I didn't do it, I would have blew my brains out. Well, I like how you describe it, too, because you're very honest about the positive aspects of the effects. And I think that's super important. And this was my contract, by the way. Oh, the release? Yeah. Don't worry about it, man.

Sorry. Don't worry about it. I'm an actor. Everything's a prop. Your method. Your very method. You're very honest about the positive benefits of it like people have this idea like you shouldn't talk about positive benefits of any drugs whether

it's harmless drugs like marijuana or dangerous drugs like cocaine maybe even especially dangerous drugs like cocaine because the reality of what you're saying, your experience and the positive aspects of your experience, it's like, he's promoting drugs when clearly you're doing just the opposite. Yeah. You're talking about how you needed them and used them and they helped you, but the reality is it was because you were dealing with an issue. Right. And it just helped mask the issue.

Right. And it did help. Yeah. And to lie and deny that, it clouds the issue for people dealing with their own drug issues Dealing with their current drug issues or their past drug issues people aren't honest about it, man It puts people in this weird place. We're like, you know what if I wasn't for fucking meth I would have never started this business The reason why I'm doing so well is cuz I got on meth like yeah

I mean, there's some people that can say that probably well The only reason why I could sit here and say that is because I've been four years clean, man. I'm not like. Right. You're not dipping back in. Yeah. And I can speak about it candidly and it's not something I'm weird about. And I've just grown so much since then.

And I also know that the more I talk about it, the more it'll help somebody else who might be dealing with it. You know what I mean? Definitely. When you're in that, it's probably just, it seems like you can't get out of it because it is like a thing. You know what I mean? A cycle. Yeah, and you get caught up in it. I just know with kids listening to me talk now, it's, it could be helping a lot of people.

I'm not like one of those people now that used to do cocaine and I'm like, Oh, you're bad. If you do cocaine or cocaine is bad and you shouldn't do cocaine. I mean, I don't promote any drug, but I'm not judging anybody if they do it. You know,

it's not like a big deal. Like I, I did it and I just abused it in a way and it didn't benefit me. It didn't benefit Scott. It didn't benefit Scott. I didn't like the person I was becoming. There's some people that could do this shit and they could live and do it in moderation and it doesn't affect their lives like how it affected mine. More power to them. They got superpowers if you ask me.

But I just have that, you know, it's a history of drugs in my family. It was like my blood was waiting. It was like, yeah, let's go. And I know that about myself. And I just had to make that choice. I had to make a choice. And I think that's with anything. Cigarettes, which I'm four months, five months done with now.

You just have to make a choice. And I made that choice for myself, for my own health, for my daughter, for her future, for my fans. Yeah, a bunch of people quit cigarettes because the anthony bourdain quit cigarettes because of his daughter too i just realized like what am i doing yeah i mean for me like my my father passed away from cancer all my uncles passed away from cancer and my father died when i was 11 you know so that was an experience you know for me uh that kind of of traumatized me in such a way.

But when I got older, I started to do everything that my father was into. My dad smoked Newports. I started smoking Newports at 17. My dad, he loved MGD, Miller Genuine Draft. I fucking drank MGD, Miller Genuine Draft. A tribute to him? No, I just kind of was becoming my dad in a weird way. And it wasn't-

It was like one of those things where it's- I don't know. I just kind of- I never really had a relationship with him. So the only memories I had was just this guy. This guy was just so cool. He had his cigarette and he had his beer. And he was always awesome. And he was there for me as had his cigarette and he had his beer and he was always awesome

and he was there for me as a man and up until he left you know uh and i think i kind of got caught up in that and that's something that like you know i can't say the image of my father drinking and smoking is what made me drink and smoke but i can't say it didn't right do you think you took like comfort in it maybe like i think maybe yeah for sure i think everybody takes comfort in smoking cigarettes it's like you know one of those things yeah that's the the grand trick that cigarettes pull on you they give you comfort in that need to replenish like you give you a little stimulant from the nicotine and all the chemicals that are in the cigarette and then you're so addicted to it that you have this weird stress when you don't have it and then when you smoke it

relieves that stress and you think that it's actually calming you down but all it's doing is feeding the dragon it's like a drug it's anything oh it's a drug yeah nicotine is one of the craziest drugs of all time because it's legal as fuck and you could just get it anywhere it's like they present it in such a way where it's all cool but you know and i don't and that's another thing too i don't i'm not like anti-smokers either like i friends cover my house if they smoke i don't shush them outside you know like you can smoke in the house it's not really you don't mind people stinking up your house they're stinky cigarettes don't bother me i smoke for a long time and you know it's not like I got people chain-smoking in the house Somebody needs a cigarette or one or two, you know, it's cool

I have friends that used to smoke and if they smell it they get sick. No, I'm cool. They can't they just I'm cool with it. I just it's more just like For the people that can't stand it. It's people that might still have an issue with the addiction But if I smell it or anything like that, it's kind of just like it's not for me. doesn't really bother me you don't have a pull it doesn't pull you towards it you don't want to smoke it again i mean i get i can't say like occasionally and this is something that just will forever happen because i was addicted to this shit but like i can't say like after a meal a really good meal i'm like oh man a cigarette would be nice but i don't do that no more so that's that and then that's it wow good for you you know i mean but i got hypnotized so is that

what happened you went to hypnotist yeah yeah and do you remember them hypnotizing you yeah yeah i remember because you have to listen the whole time you have to you have to receive the information you know that he's telling you you have to you know really process what he's saying because it's really a re-education of the dangers of you know it's kind of like what we learned in health class when we were in school as kids you know it's it's no different except you know over time the fear is not you know as heightened as it was when we were fourth graders sitting in the room with our teachers saying like oh it does your lungs are nice and pink like this oh and if you smoke they're black like this you know it's not over time we we see pop culture we see the james deans we see everything going on and

then it doesn't seem as dangerous and and basically this guy reminds you of the dangers and and kind of reboot you and it's like oh shit it is kind of and as an adult you take it a little bit it's really funny just how the cycle of life goes it's like at my age I guess I was able to look at it in the same way I saw it as a fourth grader you know and just kind of realize oh this is this is hurting me so talk me through it they do you lie down on the couch and close your eyes they turn your lights down well I had him come to my crib you know because I wanted to feel comfortable and I had a knife there so if you tried any funny bit, I was going to slit him ear to ear.

I was going, Don't touch me! I thought he was trying to touch me. I didn't know what was happening. I had a shank. I had my pillow and case. There's a comedian that used to come to the comedy store. No bullshit. There was a comedian that used to go to the comedy store that used to hypnotize

women. His thing was that he was a comedian, but he also did some hypnotist work. And he would always hypnotize girls. And I remember very clearly, one time I was walking to the back of the comedy store, and he was talking to a girl, and she just pulls her head away,

and she goes, no one would want you to hypnotize me. And I was like, wow, it's true. The dude really is out there hypnotizing people. That's about that, man. That's not cool. So do you do it in your bed? No, we were in the living room on the couch,

and he kind of just sits there, and he counts you down and gives you sleep. On my back. You sit up on your back, okay. So you're fully stretched out, pillow behind the head, just relaxing. Yep. And then when they count you down,

what does it feel like? It feel like you you tired as hell you like slipping into like you know a dream state really relax you just really relax it's like had you been hepatitis before this no first time first time only time only one does it three times three times three in three separate sessions does it there are weeks apart does it feel different each time you do it or does it feel the same no after the first time it's like he does this thing it's like after the first one it's like you don't um uh you can smoke between so it's like we did ours from tuesday to tuesday so it became that tuesday that whole week I was allowed to smoke, right? After the first session, after the first therapy session and the hypnosis.

Then after that second week, you're done completely. Then after that third week, it's like kind of like reestablishing that it's done and that's the final one. But after that first one, it's like the final week, right? So to come out of that hypnosis and still, you know, him telling me like I can still smoke, I still had this urge to like, I don't know if I want to do that. You know, like I was allowed to smoke. He said it was cool.

I remember like my first cigarette after like the hypnosis, I waited like a couple hours. I had that urge, but I wasn't so quick to jump into it. Why did he say you could smoke? What's the logic behind it? Did you ask him? Just kind of like to, I don't know, to give it a minute or give you that last week to just know that this is going to be up. Because he tells you, like, all right, so this last week you can smoke and then after that second session you're done so when you're

going under and he's he's telling you i'm going to count you down and then boom you're under do you remember the first things he said to you like do you were you conscious of it yeah yeah he's just basically you know just talking about you know just the dangers of just cancer and what it could do to you and how it's just nasty and it's poison and just everything you could imagine that will kind of put it in a way for a human being to understand and get it like okay this is dangerous because that's really what it is i think the average person that smokes uh doesn't see the danger in it like that because you might see you know the the old lady that's 80 90 years old that's been smoking all her days it looks like she's fine you know and you just be like well i'll probably be that lady or i'll probably be that guy

or you know right but the reality is you don't know you know and it's it's like a gamble every time and it's like literally um him just of, he'll give me scenarios too. And I don't even know how much I can really talk about because he sells this. This is like a thing. But, you know, he just really gives you examples, you know, of just like scenarios, like simple example. Like if you knew someone was, you know, if you were dating a girl and you knew that, you know, she was known for poisoning her boyfriends, putting, like, poison or rat poison in her food, but there wasn't real proof. But every guy she dated kind of got murdered.

But she did. And, you know, we're dating her for a while, and she said, you know, she wanted to finally cook for you. Oh, no. Oh, no. You know? Like, what would you do? You know what I mean? Like, would you, if you knew for a fact that she was, you know, a killer, would you let

her cook your food? Would you let this person into your house? No. You would say, I'm not fucking with this chick. I mean, guys stop messing with a chick if she calls too many times. Like, you know? Yeah. Like, it's just kind of the reality of like, man.

Well, anytime you see any obsessive behavior or anything dangerous in people. But it's kind of just that reality. Like, it's poison. You're going out your way to buy poison, to put in your system. So you felt much more in touch with the reality of what it is. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, I've seen it. I've always been curious about, like, what the state is like of being hypnotized.

You don't feel disconnected. No. I felt like I could have woke up at any minute. I felt like if somebody or if he tried something i could have smacked the shit out of him you were really worried about him trying something the second time yo because bro like just like you just like you you know saying if you've never done hypnosis and you see in the movies it just looks like you kind of like vulnerable yeah and and and you know i just i didn't know what extent that would feel like. I didn't want to be like...

I know what you're saying. You know what I mean? Have you ever seen one of those comedy hypnotist shows? No. You should go and check one out if you ever see one. Yeah, where they make people bark like a dog or whatever. It's just one guy that does it particularly, right? He's known for it.

Well, there's a bunch of people all over the country to do it. Ah, okay. So this is like a thing. yeah it's a thing man i've seen it when i was uh starting out in boston there was this comedy club called stitches and uh they had a guy named frank santos who did it there all the time and i thought it was bullshit at first and then from being there all the time i got to see all these shows i realized like whoa no you can just hypnotize some people oh yeah and you get some dudes to come in their own pants they would think they were having sex they would think they were having sex on stage and they would be on the ground like humping and he would tell them when they were going to come and they would come and they'd be embarrassed and they'd go and sit down yeah i'd

be embarrassed too it's like somebody with a ghost hand coming there jerking you off when you're not noticing it it was so strange it's not cool some people apparently are super susceptible to it but he knew he knew when people were under and when they weren't under that's why i was i'm always confused like you so you you were conscious but you were under yeah like he'll do things like i want you and you know say yes you know so he'll he'll you know to check and make sure that you're under or whatever there's certain things that he'll he'll do like and you gotta and i'm paying for it so it's not like you know i'm not lying right you know what is under though that's what's confusing to me what

is that state i guess just like between dreaming and awake i mean i'm definitely like the, the understate is more just like a relaxed feeling, not like sleep. Right. But it could be, it can be, you know, you could feel like it's sleep because you're breathing slower and that's what sleep is.

Like, you know, you're relaxed and to us, that's what sleep feels like. You know, that relaxed state, but you're conscious, you're conscious.

I hear him crystal clear. I'm not in deep sleep. Hmm. You know, it feels like it, but I'm not. I'm hearing everything clearly. I'm understanding him. You know, so I'm not snoring here. It's not like this.

Right, right, right. Gotcha. It's not weird. You feel present, but then you just are really, really chill. So it's just basically like some weird middle state. Yeah, it's the in-between of some shit that happens that motherfuckers know how to do. Wow. I don't know. I've never experienced anything like it.

What's the difference between one, session one, and session two, and then session three? I can't. then session three um i can't the difference between session one and session two i could say i can't really differentiate between session two and three are you allowed to smoke at you're allowed to smoke after one are you allowed to smoke after two no after two you're done after two you don't want to really i think that's when he actually like i think two the difference between the first stage and the second stage is like the first stage he doesn't really instill anything like when you wake up from this you're not going to be smoking cigarettes anymore like he doesn't say anything like that he's just like educate you and then he's like no you're gonna come back you know and i'm gonna cut you out from from 10 all the way up

to one you know and count you up and cut you up but he doesn't say he says like you can smoke this week you know and then after this you're gonna be done you know so like you come out of that first state just kind of like okay but like i said i was hesitant to smoke i really wanted to smoke but what is something that there was something that stuck still in that first you know session that made me like oh man it is kind of gross you know what is the success rate did he say literally i mean well he says everybody does it but i know you know i'm pretty sure a lot of people have a hard time with it you know it's not it's just you really and this is what he says and anybody that i know that's done it too uh it's really just kind of like you have to be ready you know in a weird way you just got to be ready.

And I think that's with anything in life. I mean, they try to make it like this thing, like, you just got to be ready. But, like, that's with anything. Marriage, you know, even just dating someone or whether it's a job. You just got to make that choice and just really want it for yourself and really commit, you know. Right. And really, it costs money, too. Like, you're paying this money. I mean, it's like. And it's an event. It's a waste of time, you know. Otherwise, you know and really it costs money too like you spend you paying this money I mean

it's like it's a waste of time you know otherwise you know and he's the type of person where even though he's getting paid

he cares the dude is passionate you know he devotes his whole life to this this guy Kerry Gaynor I'm gonna

give you his contact so you can he has a Twitter page and stuff and he does this whole thing where he's gonna get bombed with dick pics right now they're coming in hot smoke this they're coming in hot bro just let's just say his name it worked on my sister don't give his twitter page out they'll get they'll get him hypnosis like the my sister got hypnotized and it worked for

for about a year and then she said one day she just woke up, and it was gone, and she just started smoking it. Yeah, Kerry Gaynor. Wow. What is his Twitter? You want to give it out? Yeah. You should if you want. I'll find it.

Because he's a dope dude, man. He's the nicest guy. Totally, as soon as I saw him, I knew I wasn't going to have to shank him, but you never know. You never know, Joe Rogan. I mean, not everybody has that bod that you have, dude, where people are just not going to try you. They'll still try. It's like session one involved with chloroform.

The tougher the squeeze, the sweeter the juice. His Twitter is Kerry Gaynor. K-E-R-R-Y-G-A-Y-N-O-R. Kerry's one of those weird words that dudes are still allowed to have. You know? But it's a weird one. He has a Twitter for his... Chick's name.

For his business, though. Why are you naming a dude K-E-R-R-Y? I mean, it is. You can get away with it, but it's strange. I think it's an Irish thing, though, too. Is it? Okay, it could be that. Or it could be a dominant wife who wishes she had a girl.

Well, I promise you that this is not what's going on with this character. I had a girlfriend in high school, and her mom had a boy's name because the dad wanted a boy. So he named her a boy's name. It was the craziest situation i've known people like that have had that yeah for sure it was ugly though because you know she didn't get along with her parents like her mom did not get along with her parents and uh it's like she always resented that her dad gave her a boy's name that's creepy you could just change it yeah but it was it was like a love missing thing.

What was the name? I don't want to say. Come on. I don't want to say. Come on. Let's make it Mike. That's not as bad. Because girls, I don't want to- I knew a girl named Michael.

No, it's my girlfriend from high school's mom. So I don't think it's appropriate. Oh, okay, okay, okay. You know? Okay. Understood. Understood. But she was a nice lady, but you could tell she wasn't really into people.

Especially men. Yeah, it's always weird, too. With the same name. Yeah. Men with the same name. She had this strange boyfriend for a while. It's very weird when you see, like, how other people grow up and you see, like, oh, that's where that comes from.

Like, you got some weird thing about men and then you go, okay, let me see what's going on in your house. Oh, look. Okay, let me see what's going on in your house. Oh, look. Okay, let me see what's going on in your house. Your mom has a boy's name and this is her boyfriend and he's a mess. Okay. Yeah. I see how you'd be weird about dudes.

It's science. It's not your fault. It's like, yeah, you've been doing science in your own house. That's fucked, man. That's the one thing. When everybody judges people and everybody does love to judge people, the reality is not everybody starts off

in the same spot. Some people get a shit spot in life. And then some people, I think a bad spot or an imperfect spot a lot of times motivates them. Oh, yeah, for sure. Do you feel like that happened with you?

Oh, most definitely. And I think about it like... And that's what a lot of times motivates them oh yeah for sure do you feel like that happened with you oh most definitely yeah and i think about it like i and that's what a lot of my my issue came through you know with you know early on in my career i had this moment where literally i had like security and a car service everywhere i went and I just started to feel like Richie fucking Rich. It was just a, I was like, I got a chaperone. It's like my mom has this person with me everywhere I go to make sure I don't get in trouble. And then like she feeds my bank account as long as I'm good. Like it just felt really weird, you know?

And you want Coke? Yeah. Well, no, then I started to get on Coke. Oh, that's because it was because, you know, I came from nothing. You know what I'm saying? It was kind of like, it was hard for me. The way of life was just a different transition, you know? Yeah.

I would imagine. That's got to be a, that's a big leap. To come from nothing and then become a famous entertainer who's wealthy is a very treacherous and difficult path to manage, I would imagine. I think most people's motivation is to, you know, and I can't say I didn't fall victim to it, was to just kind of prove people wrong in a way. Oh, yeah. And that was a, I mean, it wasn't anger that fueled me, though.

It was just more like, okay, I'll show you. Well, it's your own desire to determine self-worth. Right, right. So it didn't, it wasn't misguided. It was always just like, okay, I'm doubted. The odds are against me, but I know what I'm feeling, and this is what I want. Did pink sign your hand, and then you turned into a tattoo? No, this is pink fluid.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I like to feel like early on in my career, I was pink a bit. I love pink. Building up these walls. Oh, I see. And I kind of connected with that story early on in my career, I was pink a bit. I love pink. Building up these walls and kind of like, you know, and I kind of connected with that story early on. And, you know, I was, you know, really into Floyd so much that it inspired my sound. Pink Floyd and Electric Light Orchestra really ultimately determined the soundscapes for

my entire career. Are you into vinyl? Are you into listening to it on old vinyl? I don't collect vinyls. I know buddies that do. I haven't gotten into that. I feel like that is a hobby that I eventually want to get into. But I have not experienced a lot of music that I would love to on vinyl

because I just haven't gotten into that. It's supposed to have a different sound quality to it, right? Well, I release all my music on vinyl. And all my album covers I design for vinyl covers. And that's a lot of things that a lot of people don't know that. But I design all my album covers for vinyl and for that presentation to be able to see the artwork and have this and be able to hear it

in a certain quality. If you can't play Kid Cudi back in 1960, at least you can kind of get a little taste of it. So we mix for vinyl. We do everything for vinyl. Ultimately,

we're not doing this shit for iTunes and MP3s. Right. How much different is the sound? Yeah, the ritual's big, right? Just getting the vinyl and putting it on there and sitting down. It's a thing. Well, that thing is rare today.

People don't sit down and listen to music together. If a friend is in a car, I'll play him some shit. Listen to this. Check this out. Or if we're here in the studio, maybe I'll hook. I got this Bluetooth speaker thing. I could hook it up to that. But most of the time, you don't sit down with dudes and just listen to music.

But I remember when I was a kid, my stepfather and his friends, they would put on an album. And they would sit down and listen to an album. Oh, yeah. It was an experience. Yeah. Like, you would get the new whatever the hell it was. I remember they had the new Billy Joel album. I was a little kid, yeah. It was an experience. Yeah, like you would get the new, whatever the hell it was. I remember they had the new Billy Joel album. I was a little kid, man.

It was the Piano Man. I remember when it was new. They pulled that shit out. I was probably like seven or something like that. And they put it on the record player, and everyone just sat around and listened to this Billy Joel album. That's what people did back when there was two TV channels. And I kind of imagine that's what my fans do. And that's kind of like how I create.

And a lot of people might not. It's like, that's why when I release a single, for example, it might be some weird shit. People are just like, what is this? But in the context of the story, when you consume the entire album, it makes sense. Because I don't really make records for singles. I'm making an entire album here.

This is a project. What percentage of your music is listened to by potheads? Is it like 80? I think more than that. I think 100%. He's talking about the moon again. Tuned it right the fuck in. Right on in there, man uh that's funny man yeah i think that that that's what's missing in mainstream music i think

everything is always moment to moment single to single who's got who on what record it's not about like sitting down and having an experience you know right and you know i'm gonna always create with that in mind and i think as long as i do that i always have an audience because there's people you know like us that want that experience that want that feeling uh to get the homies together and even if we all heard the album a trillion times just to put it on from the beginning and let it play yeah you know it's just dope and nobody really does that anymore everybody's kind of like spotify this here pandora just skipping around skipping around skipping around right and that's because music is designed that way you know um but you you step into like you

know what we do the kids know it's like okay you buy a kid cuddy album you probably have your friends come over uh it's a thing it's like don't open it till i get there right it's like it's a very big deal and i love that there's that type of ritual going on because like i do it too i go and i buy my own album when it comes out and kids you know see me in best buy arguing like why is it in the front put it in i'm like what you do no i'm not arguing i'm just doing this now i don't talk to anyone if it's not in the front yeah yeah really hell yeah wow hell yeah is that legal no but i do it i think that's digital terrorism you know but it's kind of act but it's kind of like i look at it like this if i'm not going out on a day i'm buying my album you can't expect other people to do it you know if i'm i

gotta support my own self too you know that's hilarious you're supporting your own self that doesn't even work that way just keep the money in your pocket and steal your own album well that's what you should do i really do believe that way you really truly support yourself or get caught shoplifting your album at best buy so everyone reports it go that's a big story on tmz yeah that's like you would be a front page guy i'd be a i'd be uh an idiot but you know like i really do believe that man i believe it's just like that's good if you're selling some merch you you gotta you know promote your merch kids gotta see you wearing your own stuff it's you gotta let them know like hey i'm down with

this shit too i mean he's covered in his own merch the kid never never wears anything but death squad t-shirts and death squad. I have to make my own clothes now. Proper businessman. DeathSquad.TV. Proper businessman. He's going to make his own Crocs. He's going to do Death Squad Crocs. He's going to walk around them. He's going to become that guy. I want a pair of those.

Blue Crocs with white socks that have Death Squad kitties on them. Would you ever wear Crocs outside? It's so weird that you said that, Joe. Why? I went to the Magic Castle last night. And you were wearing Crocs? No, I had to buy new shoes because i don't have dress shoes you're a member up there huh no no i got invited ah lucky bastard would you

really want to go to that just to see what's up yeah just i just drive by it every damn day i want to know what's going on that'd be easy yeah i can get you you're gonna get okay but i i had to get dress shoes and i was joking with my girlfriend that I was just going to buy black Crocs so I could use them other times than just dressing up. And she thought I wore them the whole time because I had an old pair of Crocs. And I was like, these are what I bought. And she's like, are you serious? You're not wearing those? And then right before I left, I switched on.

But we had this whole Croc thing last night. That's hilarious. No, Crocs are great. Do you own Crocs, Joe? No. No. No. No.

But, I mean, I don't have any problem with wearing them. I mean, I would wear them if they were that comfortable. Yeah. I heard they're good. That's what I keep hearing. I don't own any, but I heard they're good. It's my walk outside and get the mail or do something else. I usually wear either skate shoes or wear Converse.

Okay. Like All-Stars. That's what I wear. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. See, I got these leather chucks on. That's good. See, I got these leather chucks on. Nice.

They're comfortable. I got these babes today. Kapow! Oh, those are nice. What are those? Bathe in Eight. A couple years ago. Five years old, these came out. I like the star on the side. Skate shoes are probably the most comfortable.

Them and Chuck Taylors. Those are all like pretty much i used to only wear vans and then uh my girl got me into wearing jordans and stuff like that they're built that's i get it now they are the most comfortable shoe in the world welcome welcome welcome to the dark side finally you've got jordan you're gonna be one of those dudes like on m Cribs where you go into your house, you've got all these Jordans stacked up around your place? Look at these. There it is. Right here. Oh, nice.

Look at you. Yeah. You son of a bitch. Look at that. Those are my mags. Back to the future shoes. Those are giant. Those are from Back to the Future.

Is that what they're from? Yeah, those are the mags, the Nike mags. Are those comfortable? Yeah, they are, man. They designed the shit out of those. Joe, have you ever worn a pair of Jordans or any of those kind of shoes? I haven't in a long time. When I used to have a deal with Nike, I used to have one of those things where, like, when I was on news radio, they'd give you free shoes.

And on Fear Factor, too, they'd just send me boxes of free Nikes. But I just stopped. I don't really do tv anymore i'd be rude if i kept calling them you know so you know i still need that shit yeah like um what are you gonna do with this it's gonna work out in your shit but they had a thing where you could call them and they would give you free stuff that's amazing yeah but i so they would give me a bunch of stuff that i wouldn't wear like white and red like basketball shoes i'd be like i don't think i can wear these but a lot of like cross trainers and shit they have

comfortable shit but i got into like smaller soul things that have like less you you feel the ground more like chuck's like chuck taylor's i like that better i can't perform in jordan's you know and that's something i discovered recently really in what In what way? In bed or on stage? Imagine that. I need combat boots. I fuck with army boots on. Only. With a cigar hanging out of your mouth

like fucking Sergeant Fury. That's ridiculous. How about Timberlands? I've seen people do it in all sorts of footwear, but for me, I'm moving around a lot, and it's hard for me to move as quick and as nimble. Why is that? With Jordans, I would feel they were athletic shoes.

Well, I'm not like, well, first off, I'm not like, I don't have them laced up. Oh. You know, like I'm about to go play full court. Right. You know what I mean? So there's that. So they're slipping around. Yeah, there's the whole, like, you know, trying'm about to go play full court you know what i mean so there's that there's the so they're slipping around yeah that's the whole like you know trying to be fresh thing about

it so they're not like really being worn how they're supposed to be worn but then like there's nothing like converse where it feels like you're literally dancing barefoot yeah like on your tippy toes from one end to the stage to the other and that's literally i find like the best sneaker for me on stage yeah converse are the best for working out too like if you're lifting with stuff you just feel the ground with them there's no there's very little padding but it makes you think like those dudes like julius irving and like back in the day where they used to wear those and actually play basketball games in them that's incredible yeah like that's what they wore chuck taylor's they would play a fucking

basketball game with no protection basically You know ankles were getting broken. Oh, they probably snap, but then again, they probably developed tougher ankles You know, like they grew up doing that. Yeah, does that make any sense? Yeah Jamie takes a said he's a fucking physio muscular ankles man. I'm there. Yeah Well doesn't make sense like if you used it, it would get stronger. No? Like, if you put too much bracing around it. Can I talk about this?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come here. I would imagine. There's a lighter right there. Thank you. There's some more of these, too. Thank you. Joe's Hello Kitty lighter.

Am I on camera? Oh, no. Okay. Make sure he's not on camera. We don't want the world to know he smokes weed. So, we got in touch because you reached out to me on Twitter out of nowhere. What? Oh, yeah.

That was cool. We was on Twitter talking shit. Yeah. I love what you do, Joe. I'm a big fan. I'm sorry. You don't mind us. No, please.

Okay. Hello, everybody. Hello, America. This is like what everybody wants to see, right? This is what you guys Want to see No they want to see you Shoot heroin

Do bumps Do some bumps And the other one Brian there's a bunch There's a bunch in that one Um yeah Do some bumps dog I'll tell you what Joe

When I get married I'm going to invite you To my wedding Me and you Going to do some bumps No I've never done coke I've never done coke Well here's the thing

I don't think I'm ever gonna get married So like This works out I remember saying that too They get ya Man I wanna be gotten Joe I wanna be gotten bro It's definitely better than

Wanting to be gotten Being gotten is better than Wanting to be gotten Yeah man I'm joking by the way I'm just dicking around Everybody wants love It's the better than wanting to be gotten. Being gotten is better than wanting to be gotten. Yeah, man. I'm joking, by the way. I'm just dicking around. Everybody wants love. It's the truth.

Oh, for sure, dude. It's one of the weirdest things when you know somebody who just can't ever fucking get it right. They can't find somebody they care about. Like, everybody knows this one girl or one dude that just can't get a girlfriend or a boyfriend. There's always, like, the struggle. They're always single. They can't find anybody worth the fuck that's sad shit what they can't find anyone to fuck or just worth a fuck yeah i mean almost

everybody that's me lower your standards enough to find somebody that'll fuck you that's you no i mean i i mean i'm not saying that i meet i don't i meet people that aren't worth the fuck but it is hard to find somebody you know and and it and it's just it doesn't it's no different whether you're a celebrity or not. You know, it's just hard to meet people. And you don't it's also it's hard. It's hard to really, I guess, trust and believe, you know, someone. I mean, how well do you ever really know someone, you know, and, you know, how long does it take to say that you really know someone i mean how well do you ever really know someone you know and you know how long does it take to say that you really know someone how do you know what somebody is giving you

is really them you know it's true i mean there's definitely people that will bullshit you and there's definitely people that have layers to their personality that you didn't imagine yeah you just get especially if you cross them if you develop some sort of a feud with them and you find out that they're willing to just go completely psycho on you and take shit to the next level and start banging on your fucking door in the middle of the night, screaming, get that hoe out of there. Well, that's me. That's what you do? That's your move? I'm totally that girl. I mean, that guy.

Certain people can go mentally insane in the course of a relationship. But no, I feel you man it's it's but i i i like to keep a stance where it's like well fuck that you know i don't i don't need anyone but deep down like everybody wants somebody that's like a companion you know there's somebody that's a best friend and a teammate and i i kind of you know will always want that but it's not something that I'm like searching for like I used to like it was for a while it was like I felt like that was the only way I can get a certain happiness in my life you know right and just come to terms with it and you realize that that's not the way and you know I'm I'm just very hopeful you know that I'll run into somebody but it is tough you know and I and I meet a, but it is tough. I meet a lot of cool chicks.

I meet a lot of cool chicks. For me, it's just really tough about being at the right place at the right time. Sometimes you're not in the right place in your own head, too. You wouldn't be a good person to be in a relationship with. I feel like, you know, at this time in my life, you know, there's a lot of soul searching that Scott needs to do.

Scott's talking about himself in third person now? In third person. Yeah. Scott, aka Kid Cudi. Because I didn't want to admit that, you know, so when I have to admit shit like that,

you know, flaws and all, I have to step out. Right. Scott needs to get his shit together. It never means that I have to get my shit together. It sounds so much worse.

Jefferson Starship, man. They said it back in the sixties. Don't you want somebody to love? Oh yeah. Don't you need somebody to love? Wouldn't you love somebody to love? Yeah.

Yeah. You better find somebody to love. Yeah. And that bitch could sing. I really feel like, you know, well, I actually want to ask before I go into this, how did you meet your lady?

Like, was it just like, because everybody says it happens when you least expect it. Like, was it at a pumpkin patch? I don't like to get too into my personal life on podcasts because I think people fixate on other people's personal lives too much. And it gets weird when people start talking to you in public about your personal life and you don't even know them. So I just found there's no benefit in doing that. Right. But I just met her in a normal environment. I met her in a bar.

You can meet people. It's like, where do you go? Well, if you go there, like people say, oh, you never meet somebody in a bar, or you never meet somebody in a bowling alley. Do you go to a bowling alley? Yes. Okay, well, then you can meet somebody in a bowling alley.

Yeah. You know, people vary. It's just finding them, and that's's what's it's not that easy finding the right combination of you and them and you might be terrible to other people like other people might think like the last thing i want is this crazy scott motherfucker in my life yeah then there's some chicks right now that of course sorry girls we're not all compatible with each other. And everybody wants to take that as a sign of rejection

or a sign of your own lack of self-worth or something like that. But it's not that. Somewhere out there, there's someone who enjoys your personality. Yeah.

If you're honest and you're nice, like if you're honest with yourself, you understand your flaws, whatever you're trying to do in this life, try to do it well. If you got a with yourself, you understand your flaws. Whatever you're trying to do in this life, try to do it well. If you've got a lot of positive energy about you, you could probably find somebody.

Yeah, yeah. But you've got to be worth finding. Yeah, I've got to get out the house, Joe. You've got to get out the house. That's step one. Step two. I play a lot of Xbox, so that's my thing. And whenever you want to come over.

You can either go deep. Or you could get out of the house. Or you could just go Oculus Rift and live your whole life through the net. That's like coming, man. Yeah. That's on its way. Just have a me character I date in this other realm that's kind of like her. Like, you know, it's just my babe in this world.

She's hot as fuck. And then when you're done banging her, you pull her mask off and it's you. You're like, what the hell is that? Well that well the thing is you can always power down it's not like something you got to deal with all the time you know maybe maybe they get you like a hypnotist just climb inside your head i want the world to know that like i'm part-time a comedian when i when i want to so there's some this is a lot of sarcasm. So just bear with us here. You can kind of like, you know, decipher most of it.

Yeah, you don't want them taking any of your quotes in text. Yeah, because I come from a world where anything that comes out of my mouth is taken so literally. So it's like, I want to make sure that we understand we're dicking around here and having fun.

And that's why I came here today because I don't do interviews, and I don't sit down and talk to anybody. My fans know, because shit's weird. People aren't cool, you know? Not everybody's as cool as Joe Rogan, bro. You know? So, like, I'm a big fan, like I said,

and I know you talk about psychedelics, and I saw something you were talking about one time when you were talking about how you went into, what is it, one of those chambers. Isolation tank. Yeah. Was in a video i think no i didn't it wasn't a video brian made a video about it when i gave away my tank it was like one of your best videos you own one bro yeah well yeah i own one now but i had another one my old one i gave it away online so we had this uh where do you get them well you can buy them Buy them online Holy shit Yeah I mean

Where's the paper? There's a bunch of different companies But we'll talk afterwards Because I'll ask you where you live And then I'll tell you your best option But the place that you want to visit There's a place called the Float Lab And it's in Venice

And the guy who runs it is my friend Crash He's actually been on the podcast before And he's the master When it comes to float tank technology. He's the guy that really changed the entire industry because it used to be like kind of home models that were like kind of flimsy, and they would have all sorts of issues. He fixed all the issues, changed all the filtration system, made them much more durable, much bigger, better insulation. He's turned them into these incredible, like complete next level devices. Oh that's that's in california so the best place is in california there's another place that's in austin uh that is probably uh right up there and that place fuck i forget the

name of it i got it on my instagram feed all this man i need all this information do you live in california yeah okay well if you live in in California, then there's one place to go. That's the float lab. If you look at the video, here's Joe's isolation tank he had at his house. This is his old one. The Amazon Indians, and he brought it back to him. I'm talking about the movie Altered States, which is where I found out about Isolation Tank.

You look pretty young there, Joe. It was like 11 or 12 years ago. It returns back into the box after a double filter. And on top of that, I also have this right here, which is an oxygen scrubber, just like they have at those oxygen bars. This little machine right here pulls oxygen, pure oxygen, out of the air, and it pumps it through this tube tube and this tube gets it all gets pumped

into the tank while I'm lying in it. So I get pure oxygen which is amazing for your mind anyway. It makes you feel very refreshed. And then on top of that, I'm in this weightless, bodiless experience where it's just you and your thoughts. Usually my experience

it takes the first 15-20 minutes is always just me thinking about my life me thinking about my friendships my relationships what the fuck are you underwater no you float so you just there's so much salt in the water that when you lie in it you just float right so you're like half your body's above the water like this much and everything behind it is underwater. So, like your ears are underwater. So, you can either wear earplugs if you want. I don't usually wear earplugs. I just get in.

But some people like earplugs. Right. You can just rinse your ears out. And what happens? You float, and you're in total silence. What's the experience? Total darkness. Oh, just total darkness. It varies.

You feel like you're flying through space. Like I recently got Graham Hancock into it. He just did a couple of them, and that's his description of it. He said it feels like you're flying through space like i recently got graham hancock into it he just did a couple of them and that's his description but he said it feels like you're in space you're flying because you're weightless and as you're lying there like floating that's a that never happens in life where you don't feel like there's anything holding you down you feel like you're flying through space yeah and because the fact that you're in this tank with no light coming in and no sound, you have no, like, your brain doesn't have any work to do. It doesn't have to worry about your balance.

It doesn't have to worry about moving you around or dealing with your environment in any way. Nothing's coming in. So this tank was created by this guy who's a pioneer in interspecies communications with dolphins. He's this really crazy guy called john lilly and he did all these like really important um studies with dolphins like trying to teach dolphins human words and trying to communicate their noises are so much different than ours but he did a lot of it while he's on acid he was trying to develop a bunch of ways to get outside of the influence of the body like he was being very scientific about it and his ideas were he used to have like a scuba tank that was like like you had a helmet on like one of those 25 000 leagues under the sea type helmets yeah that's what i'm thinking like at

first when you were talking about i was like what the fuck that's what he used to have and he used to have it where it was like hooked up where it was on a harness and you would be sort of just dunked in the water so eventually you'd forget about the helmet you forget about your body you just chill out and relax and the water was the same temperature as your skin so it becomes indistinguishable after a while once he's got it dialed in just right you don't want it too hot because then you can sweat you don't want it too cool or you're cold in there and start shivering you guys the goldilocks 93 and a half degrees it's like 93 and a half some people it 94 yeah so you should do it man it's it's it's amazing so you got your crib yeah I have one could I come over and try sure absolutely love to you

yeah absolutely but if you wanted to get one for your house to crash crash definitely sells those so I feel like it's something that it should be in every university it's something that should be in just a lot of people should, if they have the money or they have the time or the group of people get together and invest in it, it's so beneficial. And it's something that's just not thought of as being an important tool in your life. But the ability to tune the whole world out and just float. That's awesome. Oh, you trip your balls off, too. But how do you get in and out of it? Like, somebody has to no it's real easy it's real easy it's only 11 inches of water

so as you're lying there you mean you just stand up when you're done okay and you just get out it's nothing i mean you can't you can't drown the water's 11 inches and it's only six feet wide just you touch the sides with your hands you know you center yourself in the middle and relax and when you do it you you get more and more comfortable every time you do it the first time you do it it'll be a little weird like everybody's described it pretty much says what i always have said like the first couple times it's just like about getting to relax figuring out how to relax but once you've done it like a few dozen times yeah then it just becomes that thing you do just get in there and you just, oh.

But for me, it's giant. Whenever there's any issues that I'm dealing with, any problems that I have, maybe creatively even, I like to go in there. I'll go in there with jiu-jitsu problems. I'll go in there with trying to analyze someone's movements. If there's a guy who keeps catching me with a particular submission, I would go in the tank and I would try to work out like the defense for the submission in the tank yeah I

would go with like a specific goal in mind because it makes your brain like supercharged because we don't like when I'm sitting here I got a super uncomfortable chair this is this thing called the saddle chair a Sally's swing something chair holy shit it's super, but it's really good for your back. Okay. It makes you sit. It makes you sit like an arrow, you know?

Um, but it's, it's stupid uncomfortable, man. What was my point? No, you were saying that like, I completely lost my point.

I picked up the soap to show the fucking chair. But what was I saying just before that? None of you guys know. I was listening three people in this room that's a sure sign you gave me a joint that's a sure sign whatever i was saying was very ineffective because no one remembers it at all i was following yeah short-term memories motherfucker man yeah what were you talking about i don't know oh we're talking about uh sensory deprivation because this this gives me a lot of sensory input.

It's uncomfortable. It's like pinching my dick. You've got to squeeze your legs together to sit up. And when you're sitting in it, you're constantly kind of working out your legs. You're pinching your legs together as you're sitting here. Oh, that's the only way you can sit up is if you squeeze your legs. That's the key to it. The key to it is it's uncomfortable.

And when you do sit like that, it activates your core, and it's actually good for your back. And it makes my back feel great. It's amazing. Like, I do a three-hour podcast, my back doesn't fuck with me at all. Whereas if I sit in a regular chair, after like three hours, I feel like tight, you know? I feel like kinked up. This doesn't do that at all. But there's a lot of sensory input.

I think when you're dealing with, like, there's a keyboard in front of i think when you're dealing with like there's a keyboard in front of you or do you see that light you see this clock you see all these different things you're taking in your entire environment you're feeling the the gravity of your body pulling into the chair there's all these things your brain is calculating and if there was some people next to you they were screaming and yelling it'll be really hard to pay attention to what you're saying like sometimes we do these podcasts and they'll be unloading trucks and we'll hear the trucks in the background you know we hear the hydraulics and the engines and shit and it's distracting it makes you wish that it would go away because then you'd be able to formulate your thoughts without any resistance with less

resistance right but when you're in that tank that is that that that's that state at its best because there's nothing coming in there's nothing coming in it's just your mind there's nothing coming in and when you get to that place where there's nothing coming in it's beautiful you just you get a real chance to like go over shit creative stuff or personal stuff or you know problems like if you play a game if you there's anything that you do where you're constantly working at it like some guys play golf or some guys you can get in that tank and just think about all the various things the various aspects of anything you're trying to concentrate on yeah and it offers you this window of concentration that's just unavailable any other way yeah yeah

yeah i feel you i mean i definitely need to try it because i've heard a lot about it but i did never really knew what it was and i didn't really know how you would go about doing it. Super easy. That's another thing, too. It's like, who do you ask? You know, and that's with anything. Well, right now there's less of them than there should be. They should be all over the place, and people are starting to open up these tank centers.

I mean, it could be a business. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It could be a place where you just go, like a spa. Well, they have them. They have them. There's a bunch of them that are popping up. In LA or in California? There's a couple of them in are popping up or in california there's a couple of them in california but only a couple but i know that um i know that

the guys who run on the map thinking about starting one and i know that crash is opening up a bigger one in westwood it's just very under as far as like the amount of demand it's very underutilized that demand is under tapped into because i think a lot of people would like it and burbank one's still there yep soothing solutions which is in burbank which is where i first went in like 2002 and uh i got hooked immediately like i i couldn't i couldn't imagine that this was something that so few people were talking about yeah you gotta try it yeah you gotta try it and then you were actually the first person i might have heard about it in another conversation or two, but you were the first person I heard talk about it extensively in detail. And it wasn't this video.

I heard you talking about it on one of your podcasts. Yeah, I won't shut the fuck up about it. And people get mad. Well, you have one. I mean, it's like. Yeah, it's not just that. I'm telling you, if you don't, if you haven't tried it, you don't know. I'm telling you for your own good.

If I'm beating a dead horse, I apologize. But you're just one of the lucky sons of bitches that has one in his house. Look, there's a lot of people that do renovations to their house. They do all these

different things. They spend a lot of money. That doesn't even come into the realm of possibility. We've got to get a hot tub. That's there. People love to get hot tubs. Oh, Mike and Sue

got a new hot tub. Let's come on over and we'll sit in the jacuzzi. oh nice what does this run you it's about five grand a little more bob and they have these fucking stupid conversations but if one of them said hey man i'm thinking about getting an isolation tank which is like you could get one for less than that like there's a i think a company called zen float they make one that's like really inexpensive i think it's like 1700 bucks it's like the least the least expensive one it's not the same as like crashes not even close it's flimsy but it'll work you know it's i don't know i don't know how it deadens the sound anyway but i guess being underwater deadens the sound you know maybe it works great maybe it's enough i'm looking it's definitely better than nothing that's for sure the kids are talking about us on twitter i love it don't pay attention to that shit no it's great

it's great it's not being mean to you so you pay attention to them no they love they love it of course they do they love us this will fuck you up though you can't be doing that while you're doing a podcast we never get to talk we'll be doing no talking i was like we've been all here kicking it i wonder what how you feel right now you can't worry about that shit man you can't trust him you can't trust him with your thoughts dawn of the dead you got a dawn of the dead shirt yeah man that's a dope fucking horror movie that was scary as shit oh yeah when that movie came out and they were going through the mall when the zombies were wandering through the mall yeah yeah the people don't know all these people today that are so spoiled because we've had about a billion fucking zombie movies back then when dawn of the dead was around when that first movie that movie first came

out that was a game changer it made people shit their pants and i think that that's like you know and i'm a big walkie dead fan and you're walking yeah so like you know like greg nicotero who's just like uh you know special effects legend you know did a lot of the earlier special effects in these movies you know and just to see walking dead and see like just how they use real practical effects and all the gore is just so real looking yeah it's so sick man i'm just a horror movie uh fanatic man i've just been obsessed with horror since i was a kid me too The only thing that bugs me about The Walking Dead is uniformity of their

slasher sounds. What do you mean? When they're cutting somebody up, when they're killing people and stuff, you know, when they're hacking up zombies, the sounds are all the same. You know what I'm saying? It's like there's not a lot of variety in the sounds they make when they cut open their

heads. Man, they get gruesome. It's like there's not a lot of variety in the sounds they make when they cut open their heads. Man, they get gruesome. It's always like, it's always the same. You know what I mean? It's like the cat sound every time somebody throws something out the window. It's always the exact same like, It's always super exaggerated too. I would just like a little realism. Like sometimes when you hit someone in the head with a bat, it doesn't make the best sound.

Like sometimes you just graze them. It doesn't have that, that same same every time it's like it's you got a bat you the bat specialist you know you just know well i've seen a lot of zombie movies bro i know if done correctly it makes a different sound like the best was 28 days later in my opinion that's the best zombie movie of all time you see the second one that was fun that was really good the sequel was great 28 days later. In my opinion, that's the best zombie movie of all time. Shaun of the Dead. Did you see the second one? Shaun of the Dead was fun. That was really fun. The sequel was good, too, though.

The sequel was great. 28 weeks later, that was great, too. Look, there was a difference in that those zombies were scary as fuck. They ran at you. And they could bite you, and if it got in you, you would instantly turn. There were some wild scenes. That scene, spoiler alert alert where that chick chops her boyfriend up with the machete she he got bit and she goes let me see your arm and she looks and

he goes no and she just starts hacking at him with a machete that is dark it's it's real life fuck yeah it is real life joe rogan that's real life zombie life it's not real life. It's a movie. Well, no. In my eyes, it's real life, Joe. Yeah, man. That was a fucking great movie, man. That was a great horror movie. So you're into, like, the special effects guys and everything. You know who they are. Yeah, I'm into, like, you know, art.

And I look at that as an art form. Oh, yeah. That's how those guys do it. It's just sick. It takes a certain level of expertise and taste and, you know,

I'm just a fan of, anybody that can do a horror movie with no CGI, I mean, bravo. And it'd still be funny and believable,

it's like, or a TV show or anything. It's, you know, not easy, you know? Oh, it's really hard. These guys like

Pat McGee is the guy who did the werewolf out there ah just the copy of the real walked in I was like okay okay I know I'm in the right place the Rick Baker werewolf from American Werewolf in London and one of the beautiful things about that movie was that there was no CGI it was all Rick Baker's creation and they had to show it to you in these little flashes they couldn't just show you so much of it like they do today.

Yeah. Like now, yeah, the monsters look way better, for sure. But they're showing you too much. Yeah. So in showing you too much, it actually looks shittier. Like there's a lot of monster movies where like, one of the weird things about monsters, like a real monster movie, is you see them so briefly before they kill you

you know it's like oh jesus and then you're dead like and they sort of represented that in american werewolf in london like you saw that thing for like a frame two frames yeah and you were shitting your pants the guy was running through the subway and there's a brief like couple frames where the werewolf's at the bottom of the escalator. And it's down there. And he's traveling up. And he sees the werewolf starting to make its way up the escalator. And he's shitting his pants.

It's a couple seconds. And it's gone. And it's like, god damn it. It's so much better than showing people a CGI. Those movies that are kind of fun, Underworld, those kind of Underworld movies. But the werewolf is the hour of screen time. There's a werewolf. You get used to seeing it.

It's not scary anymore. It's like if you can tease the audience and build up that anticipation, it's like because you can do the CGI and make the monster look more present in the scene, it's kind of like people aren't thinking about to give it to him in doses yeah some movies have done it you know dope like i liked cloverfield i thought that was sick i was good that you know um the new godzilla i thought was dope i wasn't

mad at it it was fun to watch yeah the dude who kept surviving bummed me out a little bit i was just like this motherfucker has the worst luck yet the best luck ever. He keeps getting in these cataclysmic situations and keeps getting out with a band-aid. Everybody else is dead and this fucking dude rises from every ash, brushes himself off. We gotta fight Godzilla.

He's not freaking the fuck out that a bridge just missed his head. No, he's like, we gotta get Godzilla. Gotta save my family and get Godzilla. Still haven't seen it. Oh my God. It's worth seeing just for the end scene.

Just for the fight scene between Godzilla and the other monster. Yeah. That's epic. That's pretty dope. I wasn't expecting that. That was pretty dope. And then it reminds you that Godzilla is really about Godzilla. Well, Godzilla's a hero movie.

Yeah. It's like Godzilla is a hero. Godzilla is a hero. So is King Kong. Those are hero movies. Like, you can't, you can't, they're not scary movie. Yeah. It's like, Godzilla is a hero. Godzilla is a hero. So is King Kong. Those are hero movies. Like, you can't, you can't, they're not scary movies. Yeah. Like, it's not like a monster movie like King Kong, you only see him in brief seconds.

It wouldn't work. Like, that's one of the main problems with, like, special effects and a movie like King Kong. It's like, it always had to be special effects. Yeah. From the 1930 movie. Yeah. Like, you had to see him all the time. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not like this monster you briefly see for a second and it gets you oh like the original alien oh yeah oh yeah i mean but that's the shit that i mean aliens is always gonna be a classic the original one was the best because you barely saw it i think they all were kind of like that though because in the in the environments that they were at it was just so fucking shady like you know the spaceships and well the the second one was pretty fucking dope that was the james cameron one aliens but it was different than the first one because the first one you barely saw that fucking thing yeah you barely saw it yeah it was always and by the time they saw it it would

be on them and it would kill them and that would be it yeah and then the second one they're everywhere and they're just shooting them and killing them like they kill them so much easier yeah the first one it was like this super intelligent thing that was sneaking up on you yeah it was like some super genius alien and the second one it was like this trailer park aliens and there was a million of them and they were all idiots they were all idiots like the first alien was brilliant it was so clever and sneaky and it would go it knew where people were going and it would ambush them it would hide and then the second movie they were all dumb they were just jacking them they would just run into a room and kill four or five of them the third one was my

favorite really would rock the rock was that he's a nice guy, man. I met that dude once. He seems awesome. I was on a TV show with him. Like one of those talk show type things. Back when he was doing that show. He was cool as fuck. Yeah, he seems cool. Very friendly.

He was a badass in that movie. He was the only person I ever seen in that whole franchise. Go toe to toe. That's right. Go toe to toe. Wasn't Winona Ryder in that one too? Or was she in the fourth one? How many of them are out there? I know the third one too or was she in the fourth one how many of them i know the third one was he was in the third one right am i right i think so because that was the

one she killed herself right she had the baby she had the baby inside the lava right yeah damn she wanted to kill the baby yeah and that was the one that was the one where he was down there about to square up with the dude because he ran out of ammo yeah and was like is that all you got and was like fighting him yeah that's right so fucking G

yeah that didn't end well though for him yeah but you know but you know hey hey we don't make it in these movies like that

we don't make it but he is probably like in a horror movie I wouldn't even call it a horror movie it was more like a sci-fi yeah you know

the first one was a horror movie yeah but that call it a horror movie it was like more like a sci-fi yeah you know the first one was a horror movie yeah but that that third by the third one it was just more like a yeah it didn't come off more it was more like action than sci-fi but that was the only time i've ever seen in that franchise if we dare call a horror where you know you know the black character goes out in such a way where it's like you know fuck that you know going out swinging like to some shit like that come on like an alien like dude like come on joe rogan yeah you would not you would not square up with no alien like that yeah who would you do you just like just shit your pants yeah exactly let it eat you exactly eat you it's happening yeah this is happening

it's like if a puppy talks shit to you you're like what that's what it's like it's like you know that's what the alien is like with a person yeah yeah truth be told yeah yeah and then it became aliens versus predators like what the fuck did you do it's a slow degradation from like one of the greatest horror movies of all time a ridley scott masterpiece to like this preposterous, just action, fun film. I mean, they're fun. I didn't watch that, though. I watched Alien vs. One of them. One of them, I remember, was in the middle.

Oh, there was more than one? Oh, there's like a thousand of them. No. I didn't fucking churn them out every year. Fuck that. No. How many Aliens vs. Predators? No.

If I had to guess, let me guess. I want to say there's three or four Alien vs. Predators. I don't believe this. I remember there was one. There's only two? Get the fuck out of here. I'm not buying that. Maybe there was a TV show?

No, no. There was movies, man. What was also... Like Transformers. How many Transformers movies were there? Three. Well, four if you count the cartoon. Three, yeah.

No, four. You got that touch. Isn't there a new one that's coming out or something what's alien that's the one that just came out that already came out the marky mark one yeah it's been and gone already yeah yeah not so good wait no man you gotta bring back sialaboo yeah he's crazy but he knows how to sell the ass how many transformers are there though there's there's the original one. The new ones. The actual ones, there's three.

Okay, all right. There was one that just came out with Mark Wahlberg. Yeah, and that's the third one. How many Aliens vs. Predators is it? Just two? Yeah, two, it looks like. Wow. I would have assumed there was more.

Man, I didn't even, I mean, what was Alien Resurrection? That was the one, that was the one that was four that was they took their dna yeah and they cloned her they somehow or another got her dna they cloned her and that was weird it's like how's this happening so gurney weaver's just back and then there was the prometheus movie which was weird as fuck too i wonder if they're gonna do another one i think so oh yeah prometheus could have been i don't know man it's hard like we said like the idea of putting together a movie

just the idea of getting all those people together i i enjoyed prometheus i mean it wasn't the perfect sci-fi movie it wasn't as good as the original one but i enjoyed it i thought it was fun and i love the idea behind it the idea of like that's how he introduces his dna into the uh the new virgin planet by taking some horrible poison that breaks him down and he dies falls into the water and then slowly but surely a natural course of evolution grows out of his dna and that's how people are created that's fascinating to me i mean it was i mean i ain't never seen no shit like that so i hadn't i entertained it i enjoyed it well i think that rid't never seen no shit like that so i i entertained it i enjoyed it well i think that ridley scott is brilliant and i think he's probably been thinking about

this for a long time before he created this and i don't know who wrote this screenplay but i would imagine all of them have been thinking about this for a long time like if you were gonna like the right way to introduce life into another planet it'd be like just get a planet doesn't have any life and you just inject some something you know some d and if it's a body especially that breaks down that body has also got all sorts of bacteria and weird shit on it and that's going to come out when it dies and the bacteria starts eating its flesh and will they be able to transmit and and go to plants or other plant matter that's on this planet? Is there some primitive life that it can cling to and morph with some sort of a virus?

Like diseases change people. You know, diseases can probably change all sorts of other things. Viruses and bacteria slowly mutate and morph out of this one body. I mean, how far can a body go? go if a body rotted if there was a planet and that this planet had no biological life and you brought a body and you just threw it there all it had is plant life is it possible that that could somehow or another have enough fuel from eating that body and figuring out how to subside off plants that they would figure out some sort of a way to to become a viable life form on a planet is that outside the realm of possibility yeah is

that stoner talk is it i mean i mean i don't know i mean i don't think it's too i don't think it's too crazy even the thing and then if some other dude landed on that same planet and then got sick from this bacteria that was created by the body that was left behind before, then he takes it back to his planet and everybody gets fucked up and they all die. And then the planet where the bacteria was, that bacteria has figured out how to form a civilization and has Wi-Fi. And they've spread out and become people. And they call themselves humans. Yeah, if you get too high, you can think some really stupid shit.

And you can talk about it on a podcast like I just did. But everybody's fascinated by that subject of aliens. The idea of aliens creating people. Like a movie like Prometheus. Yeah. Because, I mean, it's entertaining to kind of play with that idea you know for a minute yeah it's entertaining to think that someone's going to come visit too yeah i mean everybody loves aliens yeah i mean you even except predators if you live they don't fuck with aliens at all

if you lived on an island somewhere and you're by yourself just out there just you sitting around maybe you got a dog you're sitting on this island you got plenty of food but you're bored as fuck just looking out waiting for someone to come just someone anyone just let me see a light someone i think that's kind of what's going on with us it's like yeah we have each other but the reality is we're on some weird round boat that's just bobbing around the universe and we want someone to come visit us what are just people like us they're like hey man most of these people suck can y'all come down here and fuck with us come take us where you're at and teach us your ways but but a lot of

people don't suck right i think the real thing is figuring out how to make less people suck yeah and figuring out how to way to accept to accept people for things they've done wrong too like i just think it's love man i just think a lot more love you need that in the world and there's ways to do it without it being sounding so silly you know um it's just something that people need to do internally. Yeah. It seems like an easy thing to say, right? All you need is love. Yeah. But it's like, you know what? To be hopeful is a good thing.

It's super valuable. It's everything. If you're not hopeful, you got nothing. Your attitude determines your success and a lot of your endeavors in life. Your attitude, like your approach that you take to it. Oh, oh yeah it's whether or not sam harris fucked me up man i had this dude sam harris on the podcast and he was talking about determinism and it's uh the idea that no one has free will and that basically everything about your personality has been formed by your interactions with your life experiences your DNA, your genetics, your neighborhood that you grew up in,

and that that's just, no matter what you do, inescapable. And that there is no free will. Like, every decision you make is based on all the shit that's happened before. Your fate is your fate. Yeah. Well, it's not even that your fate is your fate. I mean, your destiny, I mean. It's sort of been determined by your past experiences and the chemical interactions with those past experiences.

And that you're on a path. And that that path on a path, and that that path is almost undeniable. It's a weird sort of a semantic argument, too. It's like, man, what's going on when you decide to not do coke anymore? What's going on when you decide, you know what, that's it, I'm not smoking anymore? What is going on?

Because part of me wants to say, hey, Scott did some powerful shit he stepped up and he used his willpower and he uses intelligence to realize that he was on a bad path and that's a an admirable thing to talk about because it inspires people who might be on a bad path themselves to kind of like catch your your momentum and you know and give them confidence and give some confidence hearing you today with your shit together all cool as fuck and think about you being you know this guy who was doing coke all the time and didn't like it that's um i feel like there's got to be something there that made you do that i mean this idea of pure determinism is really fascinating and i get it

i totally get it i just i wonder how much of personal choice is just what is the force that makes a person decide to do the right thing? Well, I think it goes back to what we were talking about before. If you kind of start from one place where you got to make your own way it just kind of makes it a little bit you know it just you savor it a little bit more and it means more when you get it you know because you had to really work and achieve something you know but my whole thing is when i was a kid i was immediately looked at as someone who wasn't going to amount to shit so like you know like you know it's just like start to talk about start from the bottom that's the bottom when motherfuckers look at you as a human being and be like oh he's not gonna amount to anything

but you know that's what teachers you know that's what your peers you know that's what certain people in the neighborhood may think of you you know because of whatever whatever reason whatever you know i'm saying off just you just being in a certain environment you know so you already have that against you right and then you you don't want to conform you don't want to be a statistic you know and that's kind of like what my thing was you know i just didn't want to be another nigga out here lost and shit and do you know i'm saying like and and that was that was what i i made that choice at that time you know and and i knew that me making that choice would help other people see that they can make the choice because i was also inspired by you know some people that were in my space that weren't falling into that shit.

It might have been like one of my homies that was like, you know, in the sports. And like, you know, got good grades and played sports and wasn't caught up in some shit. And I was like, man, this dude got some goals here. You know, I might not be in the sports, but this dude right here has some type of goal. Because he don't want to turn up like this. Because we got that option too right you know so it's like it was just a lot of things i was able to just like and i was the youngest of four so you know i was able to just kind of be young and look

at my older siblings and kind of like what learn what not to do and that's kind of why i use that whole like i'm your big brother phrase in my music, because I feel like, you know, even with mistakes I've made, that's what a big brother is supposed to do. Like, I'm supposed to to make some mistakes so you can learn, you know, and then those kids will learn and then they'll make their own mistakes and then there'll be a bunch of other kids that will learn. You know, it's like a system, you know, and I kind of like, you know, I like that I'm that person. You know, I like to take that that whole big brother thing to that, you know, I like that I'm that person. You know, I like to take that whole Big Brother thing to the full extent into the music. But I really believe that I had the odds against me in such a way. And I also just felt like everybody thought I was a loser from day one. I was tired of feeling like that.

I was tired of people looking at me in that way. Tired of feeling like that. I was tired of people looking at me in that way. And I wanted to finally find whatever it was that was my own, my calling to prove that, you know, because I tried everything else. Do you think that in some ways, like coming from a troubled background is like almost a gift because it gives you that burning fire? Or do you think it's like a double edged sword because it gives you that gift, but it also gives you like this hole that sometimes is difficult to keep filled um do you know what i'm saying no i see what you're saying but it's hard to say right because everybody's circumstance is different of course you know like it could be somebody who came from money that still got the same up like you know dna and teachings that my mom gave me because they just had really good parents except they

came from money like it don't really matter you know what i'm saying and it could still be drugs in the suburbs and it could still be all these things that one could get caught up with in in the suburbs for sure you know anywhere else so like i it's hard to say you know i just had and this is another thing i was talking to somebody about you know because um you know i i was raised when i think of strength i think of a woman i was raised by my mom you know and that is something that i you know she's someone i always will look up to how she just sacrificed everything and took care of us you know on a teacher's salary and that for me is like i got that role model like somebody who like could have just been like

damn i got four kids i need to be chasing a man and trying to find some man to come take care of us it was more like you know i got married it didn't work out no i just need to figure it out for my kids you know like i just have that you know and and I just kind of always looked up to my mom in that way. And, you know, I wanted to I didn't I didn't want to be a failure to her. I wanted to, you know, show her that I could be great and be as strong as she was. And, you know, that's beautiful, man. That's really a beautiful thing to say. Yeah, that's a cool story, man.

I love that. That's a cool story, man. I love that. I just feel like there's a certain amount of energy that people get from wanting to prove other folks wrong. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And it can help you in some ways. It can certainly help you. But I think sometimes even like when you're talking about the benefits you had of cocaine, like there's benefits to it. It's like you could say things and do things you ordinarily wouldn't be able to do yeah well this there's the motivation of of

like proving people wrong you know I'll show you you know you said I wasn't gonna be shit I'll show you like you get to a certain point time that could kind of play against you too right yes it could backfire because then it becomes it for me it becomes like and I definitely did my last not the album i did my album before last with that an angry i'll show you spiteful like villainous energy right you know and i was able to make some really great records but it was the most aggressive music i had ever made right and um some of it was the most aggressive and a lot of levels not even in the mean way but just like you know just the music itself

and that and I benefited did the you know what I set out to do you know it all benefited you know but um I didn't it wasn't the normal way I went out about making an album so it was weird you, and it was something that I took a step backward afterwards and then dropped a second album. I'm like, all right, this one's not so, I don't really feel like I'm, like, going, you know, up against the masses. Like, I really have something to prove here. This is more just, like, about, like, just being at some type of peace,

you know, and just having things sorted out once all the madness is all done and it's kind of just like now it's just like right right you know and that's why I did Indica and another satellite flight you know because I feel like in the cub was me just figuring out how to produce you know and make records and then satellite flight was me having it mastered and finally putting together something that was just like fine-tuned you know but to in a different structure where i have like some instrumentals and then you know with you know they're kind of like interludes and then you know records that were just completely you know formatted in different ways maybe not the three verse two hook formula maybe just one long verse

and one outro and you know maybe no hook at all maybe no drums for the first minute and 30 seconds but there's like raps you know just experimenting and trying things you know now that i had that expertise for creating a record you know did you ever um listen to the brand new heavies i know some records here the brand new heavies did this rap thing where they're god i was trying to remember the name of it um there's a but it was it's along those lines like very experimental and this is like back in like the early 90s yeah they did like kuji rap did one of them and it did it like to like some like actual music behind it like it was pretty interesting stuff but i remember that and i

remember thinking like man like why don't more people do like weird shit with music like how many people are thinking the way you're thinking like saying like okay how about we just do no drums for like the first minute and a half and then just start rapping and then the drums kick it like these kind of things where you're just like coming up with uh like just a different approach yeah slightly different entry i think people are just a little scared that they'll lose the the audience's attention which is the very uh real fear it's i i get it you know but it also goes back to what i was saying like i've just been blessed with a family stat like you know it's into what i'm doing no matter what you know uh and that's that's just dope you

know but the average artist no they can't just experiment and there's a fear where they might not sell records and then that's bad for business and this is a business you know um so you know um it's it's understood why most guys don't really do it you know i would like to see people do it i feel like there's that's not an excuse. I feel like there's a way where people can be a little bit more creative and push the envelope a lot more with the music, where it fits in in a way that makes sense and it's true to their art and their formula. I feel like, yeah, there's always a way to try something new

and be innovative and bring something different to the table if anybody wants to check out that that brand new heavies that i was talking about it's called heavy rhyme experience uh and it was the brand new heavies it was 92 way back in the day when i was i was living in new york and um my friend god damn it trying to remember his name stand-up comedian told me about him he goes you gotta listen to this shit these guys are doing some weird stuff they did a duo with cool g rap they did uh one of them with a gang star it was pretty badass that a bunch of different uh collaborations so like jazz singers with like rap like serious like best of the class back then

hardcore rappers rapping over their uh their rhyme or their music. It was pretty cool. Oh, wow. Yeah. But your point about having the fan base that allows you to fuck around and practice and take chances, that is huge, isn't it? Yeah. The ability that they like you as a person as well as like your music so and they want you they

want to see where you go with it yeah you're always going to do your best well they know it comes from a pure place too you know i'm not like they know i'm just a top 10 single they know i'm just trying to make some cool shit that they can connect with and that's the extent every time it doesn't go beyond that and the minute it tries to it just starts to get frustrating like start thinking about a radio record to please somebody at the label then it gets frustrating if i start to think about this and that for this it gets frustrating if i keep it just based on like hey man this sounds gnarly and let's make sure we it's not too trippy and let's make sure it's not too this and not too that but uh uh effortless combination of everything all at once you know and and and that's really what

these past couple years for me have been like just mastering that uh technique as a producer and um you know really really just uh going all out creatively and just uh trying new things because i also internally don't feel like i have anything else to prove um as a musician but i i have that itch you know like i need to create like i i feel like that's it's like working out for me it's like doing reps and staying mentally fit creatively fit you know um so when it comes time to do an album, I've got some new powers I've acquired in the past year, just like from just dicking around in the studio

for a couple months, just going every day making beats. Whether I'm in the studio for five hours or two hours, I'm making something. I'm making at least like, on average, I make about, in the studio, I'm making at least two to four beats a day and when I say beats I'm talking about completed

sequenced instrumentals that I can make records on so like not just some shit I started a little bit and then it's kind of cool and I'll get back to it later I have probably like a baker's dozen of those in one session but I'll have like four

that are officially like oh these jams are dope i'm gonna sit and live with these and see what comes up so when you sit down to write music do you do you sit down do you have an idea in your head or do you select let it come to you while you're there like how do you know how to start um it it comes different every time it It doesn't, it depends. It could be a baseline that I'm thinking of that inspires me, or it could be me not have anything in my mind and just going through the sounds.

Or it could be like, you know, a rhythm I heard or, you know, anything. It could be a movie I'm watching I like to you know produce while I'm watching movies with the sound off um and that kind of helps me with scoring you know when I get into scoring and I'm you know doing that that's my next step you know I want to get more into scoring movies and sound design um but it's all for me it's all for me. It's all just experimentation and just seeing what happens and you know But it's not any pressure and when you hear a beat like when you're making a beat and you're creating it Do you hear in lyrics? Are you hearing are you thinking? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm here. I mean

Here's you know, when I when I'm hearing something I hear it completed, right? So when I'm starting a record and I feel like I got something i'm like all right this song i'm like i feel like and it's back to what you were talking about because you know i feel like you know time doesn't really exist so an hour from now is happening right now right so there's songs that are created that i haven't made yet so when i'm in the studio, I feel like I have this small peek into this other world and this window that I can hear the song, but it's my job in the present

to find the pieces to make it so. And sometimes it might come out exactly like what I'm hearing and sometimes it might not, but it's never really spot on. I just hear glimmers of what the song completed sounds like until it's completed and then it's just really spot on. I just hear glimmers of what the song completed sounds like until it's completed, and then it's just everything's perfect. But that's how I can sit there and listen to a mix and be like, something's off.

Because in my completed version, it's like a coloring book. Every record starts off in one way, just blank, and I'm just filling in all the colors. And then there's one color still missing. That's what's happening in the final, in the ninth inning, when we're mixing the album. There's still still some colors that just not in there yet and then i'm going through sounds and i find the colors and everything's full and i'm cool or i might not find the exact color but if something close enough i'm fine and like that's literally

where it's at where you have to make the executive decision like all right i'm done with this so i'll be sitting for another two weeks trying to sit with this mix because I'm really anal about it and if I don't just back away and let it be you know we'll never hear you that's a fascinating insight into the creation of music so I don't I don't know anybody that does that like well or they could tell me about the entire process from the beginning to end so it's interesting to get a window into that world because I always wondered and I also always wondered like I know Jay-Z never writes his lyrics down. He keeps them all in his head.

Do you do that or do you actually write them down somewhere? Nah. Sometimes I'm, I mean, a lot of my hooks are in my head. But I need to write certain things down to just kind of make sure I'm making sense. I used to do a lot of my earlier stuff just off the dome, just freestyling shit, you know. And sometimes that works good with melodies. I do that a lot.

I'll go in there and just hum flows and try different things like that and melodies. But it's really just a combination. It's never just like, you know, always like writing off the dome. Like some ballads I write completely off the dome. You know, I don't need kind of paper for a ballad. I like that term, off the dome like some ballads i write completely off the dome you know i don't need kind of paper for a ballot but like if it's like that term off the dome yeah that's a great term i'm gonna use that from now on whenever there's a joke that i have that's not written down anywhere it's gonna be off the dome yeah that was and i feel like that it it kind of like

you know gets people to understand that this is some you know this this the spontaneousness of it you know um is that some a term that rappers use all the time or is that your term off the dome is that yours oh let's say it's yours i like to say it's yours okay i just said i know the guy came up with that shit off the dome it's a very popular phrase amongst the youngsters now but it all came out of kid county i'll take it take it take it i'll start spreading that room so you're you're essentially you're open i mean whatever which way ever comes you just show up you show up and you put in the work you put in the work creating the beats you put in the work come on coming up with lyrics whatever way it comes up whether it comes up all in your head whether it

comes up writing it down on paper and the sessions are really me and my engineer in and occasionally i have like my brother from another mother Dr. Genius coming through who you know was in a band that I came up with a couple years ago and that you know we kind of just put together because we wanted to try something outside of the world we were already making music in you know I it's this the sessions are really small it's not like I got 20 dudes in there. Right. They're kind of sad sessions. They're really sad. They're probably not sad at all.

Well, I always wondered how anything gets done. I mean, one could peek in and feel bad for me, like, oh, he's got nobody in the studio with him. But then, like, but then, like, you know,

like, I'm in there like a mad scientist, like, you know, I'm inventing. Right. It's not like, you know, an inventor don't get 20 motherfuckers in his lab while he inventing shit. Niggas will steal his shit. Or they'll, you know, rack focus and like you know an inventor don't get 20 motherfuckers in his his lab while he

inventing shit niggas to steal his shit or they'll you know rack focus and you know distract him you gotta find that when you have your friends in the studio you got you know a couple guys on world star a couple guys on twitter a couple guys over here and everybody's talking about what's going on over here and what's going on here you're trying to write this song you get distracted you're like what happened oh hell no that's funny funny next you know it's two hours have gone by you're still working on this record you had some laughs but what you came to the studio for is not done yet right you know and there's money being spent there's time time is of the essence this is what we hustled and worked hard for you know and i have to i had to remind myself it's like man this has turned into a fucking party like we're here for

work so i also have this like really gnarly work ethic like because i've been working since i was 15 like my first job was wendy's i i remember why i wanted to work it was because i wanted my own shit i was tired of asking my mom for stuff and also didn't think it was fair you know to ask my mom for stuff because i know we didn't have much so you know i just had work for me is always like one of those things that's very important yeah but like there was also some jobs that i didn't fucking take seriously like american apparel you know where i was like coming in late and i didn't give a shit and then like when my boss fired me like he took me to like this office and kind of told me and and when he said he's like i'm gonna have to let you go I was like yeah I figured that you knew it

because I didn't give a fuck you know it was like now I can go to the studio now I can like work and like work on my craft and then maybe find a better paying job

you know that doesn't have me in the fucking basement of some building you know sweating my ass out folding clothes everybody says

you should always do your best at every job you do a champion in life is a champion in everything they do so if you're gonna mop floors do your best to mop the floors mop the fuck out of those floors i that's great on paper but the reality is when you're a young man it's sometimes it's good to fuck off at something so you know you don't ever want to do that again they fire you and then you

learn yeah and there's some there's some value in that it's unfortunate but we don't all learn the best way sometimes we gotta get fired from american apparel yeah yeah you know at least i didn't get fired for like stealing something i got fired for being a shitty landscaper kept scalping people's lawns yeah that's what i was doing that would that would fuck somebody's emotions that would hurt my feelings if somebody just if that was like the word around town that i've been you know my main bread and butter i've been doing investing my life in that i'm just shitty at yeah yeah i wasn't invested in being a landmark boy landscaper yeah no i know what you're saying man it's a there's a completely different thing when you're

creating your own stuff when you're working for yourself then it's like a focus like an obsession almost type focus like the laser beam i love love that term, the lab, too. That's one of my favorite terms from the rap world. They love talking about being in the lab, creating material. You are like an inventor. You're a scientist. It's kind of like I treat it in every sense of the word, in every sense of that term, I guess, lab. It's like where i'm working

it's working and i and i almost don't like playing around and in the studio like that like because it it is a place for work it is an office you know especially if you're trying to write if you're trying to write things there too as well you're trying to write lyrics and dudes are all jumping around but not even that what if i'm not even just me sitting there and i might not have an idea yet even if i might just wait for the silence yeah right right right i might just need silence for a little bit yeah i don't i've never been to any sort of uh recording studio where anybody was doing anything like serious like that but i would imagine it's very difficult to avoid the party it's like hey we're in studio and guys come to visit you come on by come to visit we did that so it's like i did that yeah like now i mean i was i've been doing that's like the music

professionally since like 22 23 going to studios and having those moments with the buddies because in the beginning it's like you want your boys around so i kind of got that out my system and now it's like all right 30 year old scott goes to the studio by himself he's got his book bag he's in there for maybe five six hours hours, and then he goes home. That's smart. You know what I'm saying? And then he's like, and this is a Friday night. You know, and I'm like in bed by like 11, 1130.

Kapow. Fuck Saturday Night Live. That's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, hey, man, that's how you get shit done. That is how you get shit done. I'm just psyched over it, man. Those music videos, though, when they show the the recording studio it's always a giant table there's like all

those little switches that nobody understands maybe you mix them everybody's everybody's standing in front of all the switches and then everybody's partying everybody's in the background having a good time but that could also be when the album's done and they're celebrating it because that's what also happens like when i'm done with you know let's say let's i finished maybe eight songs and i feel like i've got the album like and i just need maybe a couple more jams you start inviting people to come here what you got and get their opinion so you have those moments too so you might see that happen and but but there's a year and a half of just studio by myself before that happens wow you know like i don't really and maybe occasionally have one or two friends you know maybe some one of my director friends or my fellow actors who i just kind of want who have never really got a chance to be in the studio come by and just see get the experience

but they're not in there distracting me they're just watching and paying attention and want to just be a fly on the wall and see how it works yeah well a lot of people are really curious about it because it's a it's almost uh sort of a mysterious type of creativity if people aren't involved in especially the creating of music is such a cultural uh it's such a cultural influence it's so it's such a powerful influence like music has it inspires people like when you listen to music at the gym it can make you work out better. You put your headphones on and you play some awesome songs. You don't give a fuck that you're on some stupid stair machine like a hamster.

You just keep going. Yeah, yeah. And the music, you like the music so much you get into it. It's in your head, drowning out everything else. Sometimes you don't even realize how heavy you're breathing until you take the ear the earplugs out holy shit I'm getting it in working here and because of nothing else like hits you like that like people's words they don't sustain that way you can't like read incredibly passionate essay and it sustains you through a workout like that no it's like it needs to be just something that like

there's nothing like music in that respect. It has an impact that very few things do. So that process of creating it is always fascinating and mysterious to people like me that don't have any musical talent at all. Yeah. I see it. I just approach it in a different way because I'm just, I do feel like I'm just every time I'm in the studio. It's like me just, you know, trying to create the uncreated. And it's a very private thing sometimes.

You know, I want to I want to be able to, you know, have my privacy when I do that. Right. Right. Yeah. No, I totally do. Do all your writing and everything in the studio or do you sometimes sit at home oh it comes whenever man right i'll be in the shower do you have in the shower i'm thinking of some shit you know do you ever use that uh note app on uh the phone on your phone where you're talking to it um i'm recording memos yeah a lot a lot of the time not even that i mean the note app you know you can talk to it and a voice recognition no no no i just kind of see if i'm recording something it's a melody okay if i'm thinking

of something i'm not like thinking of raps like those earlier days it's less about that now and it's more about like like just melodies and coming up with songs and structures so you want to hear the sound yeah and then the lyrics come next because the music is just gonna tell me what to say you know wow that's that's fucking wild that's so cool now how much of your creation is done under the influence of marijuana man i don't smoke to create i've come up with a lot of shit sober sometimes when i'm fresh waking up in the morning like sometimes i have the most ideas at like 8 a.m sometimes a lot of people say that a lot of shit sober sometimes when i'm fresh waking up in the morning like sometimes i have the most ideas at like 8 a.m sometimes a lot of people say that a lot of writers like stephen king i believe does all of his writing in the morning i think he does it like nine to noon every day yeah it's like man i'm fresh in the morning with something with some melody and

it usually comes just walking through the house making breakfast and you know it could be whenever dropping a deuce you know i come up with just melodies here and there and i record them all if something really catches me because if i don't record them immediately then i lose them so i you know i gotta record them somehow but it's it's very um i'm always i'm always thinking about music as much as like, I like to deny it and, you know, go shoot a movie and shit. And, you know, I always think about music.

I'm obsessed with the idea of just making, you know, the, the most beautiful songs that like, you know, really make people feel some type of comfort or some type of understanding. Cause the world is so fucked. And,

uh, you know, I, I just really am obsessed with that idea, I think I'm always going to be, and now I'm just trying different ways of doing that, you know, we did the rap shit, we did the rock album, now I'm just trying to be this, like, weird instrumentalist, you know, and I don't really know what that's going to be, but I'm just really, I guess, in the process, learning how to produce better, too is uh it's something that you know i've been trying to you know i always want to be better so it's

good to you know be learning and getting better as i'm creating do you do any other things like other than music do you have any other hobbies or any things that like you also get locked into uh i like designers sometimes like uh you know i wouldn't look at myself as like a fashion designer but you know if an opportunity comes around I'll do a collab or two you like design clothes like yeah yeah like I've done about five t-shirt collaborations with bathing ape I used to work there that was my last job before I got famous you know so like I have you know roots back in new york and and that was pretty much one of those the only job i really kept in touch with you know that i went back to and you know did some things for the fans so you just ended up creating shit yeah it doesn't yeah

you know it really for me i'm starting to write a little bit more it's just staying creative right like a book or like blog entries? Like what do you mean? Like a TV show, TV shows, horror movies, ideas I've had in my head for a while. Just start jotting them down. And, you know, just everything right now is just me just expressing whatever comes to mind. You know, anything that creatively strikes me. Yeah. See, that's a dream job for people to be able to just come up with things all the time.

Just work on creating. Your entire day spent mostly just concentrating on creating. I'm not doing anything with those things yet, but it's stimulating. It doesn't mean that I'm going to have some TV show tomorrow or anything. It's just, for me, it's stimulating. And shit, knowing me me i'll fuck around i

might write the next shit you know like right right or definitely write something that yeah there's something like a sale or something that could lead me to something else yeah who knows but um and it probably also helps your your your creativity in the other areas as well right but then on top of that i i'm I was the king of being like, oh, I have this idea, but no, that's not for me. Or no, I couldn't do that. Music is my thing.

No, I couldn't do that. So now I'm like past that. Now there's nothing. If it pops into my mind, then I can fucking do it because I thought about it for a reason. So now it's just about finding time for certain projects

and I'm not in no rush. So you're not worried about being pigeonholed, you're saying? No, I think I've done enough strong-arming and let me get my space as an artist where I can kind of do whatever I want now at this point. So you reached out to me on Twitter.

But it still has to be good, though. Don't get me wrong. I'm always feeling like I'm vulnerable to make some bullshit. I don't feel like I'm invincible. And I think a lot of artists do get to that point where they feel invincible like i am very capable of making some weak shit it's just y'all motherfuckers don't hear it you know and that's because i'm sitting there making sure that it's not weak shit scrapping the ones that are and and and working on the ones that started off weak but you know making sure that they were

where they needed to be before you heard it. Do you have, are they like, you gotta know when to abandon them? Oh, yeah. You all know when to abandon some shit immediately. Certain feelings you get, you know when some shit

is the right one and when it's not. There's jokes like that, too. It's very similar. Yeah. It's very similar. Some of them, you just gotta let go.

Yeah, and you can't, and for songs, it's much more emotional to let go of some shit that you like, because it might be on the right track to being something gnarly

like especially do you put it on a shelf maybe like say you always revisit it yeah I go back every year I go back and listen

to the shit that I made the year before how do you categorize them do you make notes or do you nah they're all numbered just numbered you just say you go back

and you go okay this is from 2013 let me just listen to what I was doing yeah my engineer I'll just tell him pull up everything and we'll just listen to things one by one flag the ones that are good and or the ones that i you know because that's the thing you always got to give yourself a break and uh it's always good to listen to stuff with fresh ears i find yeah and and also uh to just give you

your your brain a break because for me i'm sitting in in the studio for hours listening to the same old shit like the same old beat you know that you're working on you know so it's kind of like you need to back off a second like i like to you know work on a record bounce them whatever you know bounce them means kind of compressing all those sounds to one track to make the mp3 you know that's what you bounce down the file that's what you guys get on your um ipods is a bounce down file of all of all the files um so i'll bounce down everything uh every one of the ones that i feel like we're close to being finished or reasonable enough for me to listen to and write to and um i won't listen to them that night i'll wake up the next day and while i'm making breakfast i might listen to them that night. I wake up the next day, and while I'm making breakfast, I might listen to them then with fresh ears.

And I'll be like, oh, shit. Most of the time, it's like, oh, this is dope. Because the night before, I'm just like, oh, this shit sucks. I don't know. I'll listen to it tomorrow. Because I've been in the studio for hours. You're too close to it. I'm by myself, and I don't have nobody to tell me,

like, yo, that shit's fresh. It's just like me and my own expertise. I'm just like, right now, I think this is all shit. But I'll bounce it down, and I'll listen to it tomorrow and see how i feel and almost every time i do that if i bounce it down it's like dope and a lot of this could be for someone else and not for me do you that it's it's the thing about music too it seems like when when there's a song that i really like any genre it's like i really like it i like it at first and then I start really liking it when I keep hearing it I hear it a bunch of times yeah as I'll hear it like the fourth or fifth time that's

what I'll really get into it yeah and it's interesting how music does that like there's there's songs that you need to hear a bunch of times that's why people don't like new like if the Rolling Stones go on tour like they better play those fucking classics yeah nobody wants to hear some weird shit even right in keith yeah yeah i mean and that's what i learned i learned the hard way you know um you go out and you do coachella and it's like all right i got fucking coachella to do this come with the hits let's give them let's give them the joints they want to hear you know i'm not going to go out in the coachella and be like all right guys so i know you guys know these songs as they are produced on the album,

but we're doing them all acoustic tonight. And I'm doing them all in different keys, so they won't even be formatted how you remember them. But I promise you, you have me tonight on this stage for at least an hour and a half. Maestro. This is the worst show ever, you know? Yeah, when you go and do a new show like if

it's a totally new thing do you do or smaller clubs you fuck around with like rock clubs what are you talking about like like if you're gonna work like the first time you're gonna do a live perform like any of you new material yeah tour tour because the tour is like for me it's the fan club you know i could go up there and fumble as many times as I want all night, and my fans are just like, it's all good. This is the clubhouse. Right, right, right. This is where you're supposed to fuck up.

When you go and do Coachella, there's no time. Right. There's no time to fuck up. Everybody's watching. It's like the clubhouse is where you dick around. It's like when a comic goes to the club cop the the the the um the club he used to do stand-up at before he blew up because he knows those are his people and he could be himself there and try new jokes right you know that's the same deal like that's how i approach

tour you know i don't let press in unless they buy a ticket you want to come to my show and fucking buy a ticket because most of the time you give the press their ticket and they're writing talking shit it's like you give the motherfuckers a free pass to come see your show so they can talk shit. It's like, no, asshole, you want to talk shit about my show, you're going to have to pay for it. People feel like they can't get any attention unless they talk shit. That's a big issue with folks. But it's like, you know, whatever the case may be, I'm going to make you work hard to get in there to talk shit. Because it is a fucking membership.

hard to get in there to talk shit because it is a fucking membership it's like the only people i want on my concert are people that really give a shit about what we're doing as artists you know and and and you know understand me right as a human being you know so let's say this is a very psychedelic point of view yeah i mean because it is at the end of the day like we were talking about before it's all an experience you know and and the show is even more so because it's bringing the songs to life like i'm there it's like a play for me it's theater like i'm out there i'm i'm i'm the showman for tonight and and i'm taking you to a place it's kind of like leave your worries behind it's like fantasy island yeah it's like i don't really want kids to you know the average hip-hop show it's like you see your favorite artists come out at best perform the hits they're almost there The average hip-hop show, it's like you see your favorite artist come out

at best, perform their hits. They're almost there, but you can't touch them. But it's just dope to know that you're in the same building with them. And then that's the end of it. And that's just what you take. It's like, man, we were in the nosebleeds, but it was really nice.

We was there at night with my favorite rapper or whatever. This shit with me, it's more therapy. I'm confessing some things through song you're seeing me you know confess these things you see the emotion as i'm performing you know and then there's kids out there that are connecting with it in such a way where it's like man i already connect with this dude but he's performing it in such a way where he means it even more he's singing it in a way where he means it even more in this environment, you know, it's like it's a different experience And I love giving people that experience, you know, I love

Connecting with them in a way where you know Everybody at that concert is paying attention and they're there because they they they want to experience something, right? You reached out to me about People asking questions about psychedelics. about people asking questions about psychedelics. Yeah. You fielding questions about psychedelics. Yeah, yeah. What was the motivation behind that?

I saw a tweet from a young man. He hit me up, and he just simply asked me how much he should take of some shrooms. And I don't know i was just i just saw it i was like oh okay i gave him a response and i didn't think nothing of it but then i saw a lot of people responding and i was like oh this is cool other people were asking me questions and then i was like holy shit uh this could be bad this could be really bad but then it's like you know what the i am your big brother shit like if they're gonna do drugs and they want to know about it at least ask me i've come to me you know

i'll give you the real shit you know if you want to ask somebody ask me um and and that's kind of how i looked at it and uh it ended up being this thing but then i know that you talk about psychedelics and you have specifically talked about DMT because I answered a question about DMT and That's why I was like man. We should talk about this with Joe, you know, cuz I know that I I mean I can't sit down with just anybody and talk about DMT even some of my friends I've told them that I've done it and they've like looked at me in a way where it's like You know, it's like whoa you did DMT. It's a game changer.

Yeah, yeah. But that lets me know that there's people that don't understand and they're not educated about it and so they just kind of hear these stories and that's also why

I was like, man, it would be dope if we just sat down and talked about it and educate some people because I just know it's, I mean,

even some people are scared of acid. It's a scary thing. You know, I tell people, I remember, this is a true story um i hope so but this is kind of like one of those things you know i'm not throwing this kid under the bus but you know this is a reality um i was at coachella we were backstage i ran in

the wiz khalifa uh you know and i see him you know often and he was telling me he was doing shrooms or whatever and experiment with shrooms and i was like oh man him you know often and he was telling me he was doing shrooms or whatever and experiment with shrooms and i was like oh man you should do acid and he was just like no and i was like oh man well you know shrooms is like the training wheels of fucking psychedelics and shit you know it's like he's all man i'm not fucking with that though you can just tell that it was just maybe maybe something he might have known somebody had a bad trip or he heard some bad things, but like, there was like fear. And I was just like,

Oh, it's like, man, it's just people. People are kind of like taken back when you say you do acid sometimes. And even when I talk about it on Twitter, people would be like, Whoa,

chill. You want some other shit? And it's like, man, like, I mean, well, that's the one where people always talk about going crazy.

Yeah, but I don't. You can go crazy drinking too much. Yeah. So I don't really. You never had a bad trip? On acid, yeah, but it wasn't because of me. It was because I let some other motherfucker come in the situation that wasn't ready with his shit. You know, you know how some people come in and try to act like they do this

and don't do this. And you have situations like that. And so you're bad tripped and you got dragged along. Yeah, because you got to make sure everybody's cool and you want to help people out. You don't want to leave nobody abandoned.

And I feel like that's the big thing with psychedelics is if you're doing it with people, no matter if you know them well or not, you don't want to really leave nobody hanging. You want to try to find a common ground because everybody tripping you know and it's like you know everybody at the end of the day we're tripping and it's scary because somebody used to be like one minute you're trying to kill me what

no it's not what you think you know right right i've never had no like that, and I'm pretty sure people have dealt with that, though. Definitely. Well, that's the thing about acid is always the horror stories. Like, we were talking about Pink Floyd. Like, the dude from Pink Floyd. Which one of those guys went fucking crazy from acid? Ah, ah. What the fuck's his name?

Jeremy, you don't know? Yeah, one of the dudes from Pink Floyd went fucking crazy. That's what Shine On You Crazy Diamond was about him. That song was about him going fucking crazy from doing too much acid. Hold on. Shine On You Crazy Diamond. I know part of the information. I don't want to quote like I know it all.

Yeah, in Wikipedia. He's the man. Yeah. It was written. Okay. Shine On You Crazy Diamond is a nine part Pink Floyd nine part Pink Floyd composition written by Roger Waters Richard Wright

and David Gilmour and it's a tribute to former band member Sid Barrett Sid Barrett was the one who went bananas yeah

allegedly allegedly um but that album cover too is just so fucking sick too he's shaking his hand dude's on fire yeah

oh yeah so fucking gnarly for real yeah he um apparently i don't know if that's true the whole lsd thing but through the it says this is the wikipedia it says throughout late 1960 for um for barrett for sid barrett throughout late 1967 in the early 1968 barrett's behavior became increasingly erratic and unpredictable, partly as a consequence of his reported heavy use of psychedelic drugs, most prominently LSD. Many reports described him on stage strumming one chord through the entire concert, or not playing at all.

At a show at the Fillmore in San Francisco during a performance of Interstellar Overdrive, Barrett slowly detuned his guitar. The audience seemed to enjoy such antics, unaware of the rest of the band's consternation. Interviewed on the Pat Boone show during the tour, Sid's reply to Boone's question was, blank and totally mute stare, according to Nick Mason. Nick, oh, Sid wasn't into moving his lips that day so he was just he was just going

he was just going he's my hero he went out there for whatever reason i mean i don't he's my hero yeah he might have lost his shit who knows or he might have just got tired yeah he was like fuck this probably yeah probably on acid all the time and just couldn't realize he was quitting Pink Floyd for acid. He met that new girl and he was still in that old relationship. Well, we were talking about cigarettes earlier. And in a world where cigarettes are legal and they kill half a million people in this country alone every year, it's preposterous to think that we're too much of a group of fucking babies to deal with psychedelics we need like centers we need centers we have educated people with you know like degrees

understand that the human body doctors who can administrate it people can take care of people and and have them in these really comfortable environments where people go and they they they have the the possibility in a professional setting of experiencing these things and that should be a part of normal human culture because you've benefited from it i've benefited from it brian has kind of benefited from it it's debatable as he holds up the cigarettes camels smokes camels camelette silly bitch so silly do you think you could get hypnotized I don't think hypnotized

or I don't think I can get hypnotized now too smart yeah I think I would just think about it the whole time overthink about alright this guy's

trying to hypnotize me right now I can hear his voice alright I don't know I think I think I think you could do it

they say ayahuasca is one of the best ways to quit ayahuasca is supposed to be Like a really good way To quit smoking Quit anything If you want to

Because you wake up And you're like I'm alive Thank God But you go through it You go through the journey And it's just so self-examinatory Even the regular DMT trips

I've had They're intensely self-examinatory Yeah Like the The insight That you have Into your own life in your own world your own mind it's just it's it's scary because it's so it's so clear the clarity is so

bizarre yeah it freaked me out man i'm um i'm not gonna lie and i've done you know i've done my fair share of acid you know i'm i'm big on psychedelics and tmt some next level shit but i've had nothing like this and um uh you try to explain it and you can't because there's nothing you could just know you can't find the words to explain sometimes what you see uh you know and you're a little bit more educated about it than i am you could probably find the words you know like sometimes you fucking talk like a scientist and shit i'm like following like but you know bullshitting trust me but you know at the same time like for people that might not be educated it's still hard for me to you know put in the words what i saw but you know the reality is is what you're seeing

is everything literally melt down and deconstruct and reconstruct around you. And your eyes are wide open. And it literally for me, that was the only thing that freaked me out. The fact that my eyes weren't closed, but my environment was completely altered immediately, almost before I could even exhale all the smoke, before I was even leaning back on my couch, I mean, the room rearranged itself and became something else. And I felt happy. Graham Hancock has a very fascinating way of looking at it. And what he thinks, the way he described it to me, I never heard anybody describe it this way before, but it made total sense. He said said everyone says

you're taking drugs and it's distorting your perception of reality and that's what you're saying he goes that is a possibility another possibility is that like a telescope needs to be tuned in to see a far-off star that what you're doing by taking this chemical that your brain already makes yeah you're tuning into something that's ordinarily impossible for you to see and that there is this dimension that is around you all the time and it is filled with intelligent entities and he said we must consider that that is also a possibility and that is a fascinating way of looking at it um because we really don't know what's happening and the people that aren't blown away

by it are just the people who haven't done it yeah if you've done it and you're not blown away by it i don't understand you yeah if i maybe you there's also supposedly some people who don't have a reaction to dmt there's a small percentage of people that try it where nothing happens i've tried i went two separate um occasions where first time it didn't work for me and then the second time it did was it the second time bad stuff or did you i think the first time we didn't administer it right and then the second time it was done right you know the second time second time was like because also i hit it extra hard because i was like there ain't no mistake it's gonna work this time so i had this really like i'm man man you know what she was crazy my story is the same as yours almost it's it's slightly different in that i did it the first time i did

it i it was pretty fucking profound intensely profound And I thought I had hit the center of the universe. I thought I'd. And then the second time I did it, I blew way past that spot to some complete new place where there was no avoiding it, no denying it. And I went, oh, this is it. And then that's the spot I've been kind of going to pretty much every time since then. Yeah. But the first time was unbelievably profound profound way more profound than anything else and i didn't really even get all the way through right me i didn't i haven't been through yet

like that world that you're talking about like i haven't went like i couldn't even get out of whatever was happening in that room in my house because it was i don't know if i was keep your eyes open i i for the most most part my eyes were wide open because I was so intrigued that like yeah yeah but then when I closed my eyes and I got over that then I was a whole nother experience and that was this tunnel like thing mm-hmm it was dark it was more some evil shit happened in there it didn't freak me out too much but you know cuz I know like that's another thing people like as long as you if you see some shit that might freak you out just remember

you are on drugs you know like sort of some shit you know or you're seeing demons for real yeah but they can't harm you you know just sit your ass still don't fucking move and you know you'll come back hopefully hopefully hopefully but this was more just like just some some weird shit happened and i didn't go down that rabbit hole too far i was just kind of open my eyes back open and just kind of still shit was weird but i kid you not joe as soon as i was kind of like oh all right i'm over this then i came back and it was kind of of like I could describe as like an overlapping a little bit of that world in reality still. A little haze of it where it was shades of the other world. It was almost like I saw a face in the corner of my room just kind of dip back off into the walls.

I saw like these kind of like spidery things kind of coming out my grammy and onto the ground but that's the thing though at this point my room was back to be it being a room you know i'm saying like i was back to to reality but it was like this this this you know the world was still like uh the echo from where i was at was still kind of in the room, you know, and it was, it hadn't worn off yet. Yeah.

Well, you, next time you do it, don't do it that way. Next time you do it, just keep your eyes closed and let it go away. So don't keep my eyes open. No,

I don't think so. Dude. I think the keeping the eyes open part is, uh, is probably fucking with you. Oh man. I was, yeah,

they say the best way to do it is in a really comfortable place i mean i loved it though it was it wasn't that still positive yeah but i didn't go to i didn't go to that world that you that you said you're going to because my eyes were open it was really just i was just so intrigued i wanted to paint crazy when i got done i wanted to paint everything i saw because i just had never seen that like that and i never want to paint dude have you ever seen alex gray's paintings yes yeah and that's the thing but i don't know if it was my shit was gonna be like that because i didn't go to that world right right right whatever you went to would be different yeah in this world it was but like you know how

you were saying like or some of those paintings are just like some guy and there's like all this energy around it's all these colors i didn't see that I didn't get there yet you probably yeah well most people don't get enough you know like just but like I said my first experience I thought it was pretty fucking amazing and it still wasn't nothing like the second one the second one I was like oh I get it boy I was ridiculous I thought I was already there because what I had seen was still so much different than reality I was like wow this is the craziest thing ever. But it was not even close to the actual craziest thing ever.

So you close your eyes every time? Yeah, yeah. You never keep your eyes open? I never open my eyes. I have opened my eyes before. And what happened? Just you see patterns everywhere. It's like it's too much.

I think there's a conflict of information. There's the information you're getting from your eyeballs. It's two different trips. Yeah, and then there's what's going on in your imagination or your mind, whatever the imagination is, not even to imply that it's not real or it's not a real experience.

The term the imagination has a lot of negative connotations to it, but whatever it's going on when you got your eyes closed, you're not, there's no physical objects in front of you.

You're seeing all this stuff happening in your visual field with your eyes closed, but you're not you know there's there's nothing you reach out and grab so that's why i'm saying imagination but whatever you're doing when you're doing that is real i don't know what it is i don't know what the fuck is happening yeah but it's real yeah dude we're out of time oh man it's over we did three hours just flew by thank you man really appreciate it and i think it was cool for people

to get a unique insight into your creative process. It was really powerful. All the shit that you shared about your personal life and the coke and everything. That was amazing. Thank you, man.

Thank you very much. Hell yeah. Anytime. And ladies and gentlemen, that's the end, you dirty fucks. So we will see you very soon.

Many more podcasts this week. And until then, go fuck yourselves I love you guys much love to everybody big kiss muah muah muah muah muah that was awesome

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