The Joe Rogan Experience - #569 - Joe Perry

Episode Date: October 28, 2014

Joe Perry is a guitar player, singer, songwriter, and co-founder of Aerosmith.

We'll get you my two favorite rock stars on the wall. Yeah, I had an Elvis t-shirt on earlier, but I wear it so often. But that's Jimi Hendrix when he got arrested in Toronto. He had heroin on him. And the Elvis picture is kind of a fake mugshot. Okay. I had an Elvis t-shirt on earlier, but I wear it so often. What happened? That's me.

Whoops. That was Elvis when he went to visit Nixon. That famous picture. That's me. Whoops. That was Elvis when he went to visit Nixon, that famous picture. That's, okay. That's how I ended up getting his pistol. You got Elvis' pistol? Yeah. By the way, people tuning in right now, this is motherfucking Joe Perry from Aerosmith,

one of the greatest guitarists that's ever graced the face of this planet. Well, thanks. It's an honor to have you on the show, man. You know, I grew up in Boston, so Aerosmith, Boston, synonymous. You know, if you're a kid in Boston, you're an Aerosmith fan or you're some sort of communist.

So I was an Aerosmith fan. But you have Elvis's gun? How the fuck did you get Elvis's gun? Well, as it turns out, Joe Esposito, who was his road manager from the time, I guess he met him in the Army, and from that time, I guess he was the second person to find him when he died. So he was with him the whole time, and he was his road manager. And he was with him the day that they took Lisa Marie, the plane, to go visit Nixon. And he wanted to give

him that commemorative 1911, which was in a box. But he knew he wouldn't get into the White House with his own carry gun. So he left it with his pilot on his airplane. So they went in, they had their meeting, and they, you know, that's well documented and all. And anyway, they went back, and when the pilot gave him back his pistol,

he just turned around and gave it to Joe Esposito, his road manager. And it's like just an average, like 38 from like the 50s, with a lot of wear on the on the uh on the holster you know and so it looked like you'd wore it quite a bit and used it quite a bit i bet he was pulling that sucker out all the time didn't he shoot a tv once i guess he did famous all that stuff he was mad at somebody well who was he mad at like when elvis shot? Oh, yeah. It was a singer. Yeah. Elliot Gould?

No, not Elliot Gould. Elliot, a guy from Lowell, I think it was. Really? Yeah. The singer. I don't know. It was one of those, like a crooner. What?

Robert Goulet. Robert Goulet? Are you just guessing? No. Don't do that. Goulet. Yeah. Goulet?

Robert Goulet, the actor? Wasn't he an actor? No actor he was a singer yeah wasn't there in it Robert Goulet an actor there's no I don't know like there's a James Brown who's a sports broadcaster change your name brother that's ridiculous so you know anyway so anyway the So anyway, the story goes that Joe had this tucked away, this pistol, this.38, and he needed some cash and was going to put it online. And my road manager, who's also good friends with Joe, heard about it. And they said, you know, and so he got in touch with Billy. And, you know, I always got in touch with billy and you know i always wanted something from elvis yeah i'm a big fan you know but something that i know he used like because he's always buying stuff and you know there's stuff online that belonged to all of us or got you know he bought it and then gave it to somebody and you know i mean it doesn't really mean

anything it's just you know he just bought it and gave it to somebody as a gift never really like used it or touched it and like i'd be happy with a guitar string or a pick or something yeah and so um um you know and i collect guns i collect old old weapons you know whatever and uh um so anyway so um my road manager heard about it and got in touch with Billy, my wife, and they got together with Joe and did the paperwork or whatever. And I think it was for Christmas I got Elvis's 38. Wow. And I haven't cleaned it or fired it or done, you know, I mean, it's just, I mean, it's, you know, it's just a treasure, you know, and there's a letter that goes with it from Joe, you know, of authenticity. And I know that it's just by looking at it and by just experiencing knowing what, you know,

guns look like after they've been used and everything, it was probably that he he would carried it. You know Elvis was like the original real super superstar like Elvis hit like a level of fame that Probably no one will ever hit again like he hit this creek because this is no internet Limited amount of television. There's only a few channels So, you know, you have the Ed Sullivan show and a couple other shows and the Tonight Show But when what the level of fame that Elvis reached was like this really bizarre kind of crazy level And so all the other musicians like yourself and a lot of other folks got to see like what can happen How it can all go off the rails with the great Elvis Presley. You know? You know, it was really something.

I mean, considering his background, I mean, and the age that he was when it hit. I mean, again, it was like, I'm sure he did his, you know, he played his gigs at clubs and things or whatever, you know, for his friends. But, man, it was, if there was ever like an overnight thing, I mean, you think about the Beatles, I mean, people think, well, they, well, kind of an overnight success. I mean, that was what the media said, but you know, they spent a lot of time in the clubs, man. And like at Hamburg, like three years playing, you know, absurd hours, you know, you know, constantly, I mean, they really worked hard

to be a good band, a great band, you know, as, as mean, they really worked hard to be a good band, a great band, you know, as well as being as talented as they were. But, you know, are. But Elvis, it kind of hit him right away, man. And I don't know how he, well, we can see how he dealt with it, you know. Didn't do it so well.

I don't think anybody can deal with that level of fame i think it just makes you it's your reality just changes like it's like being taken from earth and being dropped off in an alternate dimension where everybody knows who you are people scream when they see you everywhere you go women are fainting i mean no they wouldn't there'd never been a person alive like that there'd never been a person alive like that. There'd never been a person alive before Elvis where they would walk on stage and women would drop. Frank had a taste of it, but the media wasn't as big as it was getting with Elvis. Because the whole thing was evolving. So there was more of an output. I mean, Sinatra still, I mean, he was, you know, arguably the guy, the man.

I mean, he had the movies. He had the singing, you know, and everything. And the girls did that with him, too. But it wasn't as intense as Elvis because of TV, because of TV and radio and, you know, and him getting out there and really concentrating on just playing in the States. God knows what would have happened if he was,

if he would been allowed to tour the, the world. Right. You know, but, but, you know, there's all the stories about the,

the Colonel, you know, keeping him in the country because he was afraid that if he was to go out of the country, he wasn't able to go with him because of his background. I guess he couldn't get a passport or something. Did he have a record? Apparently. And so he was afraid someone would get to him.

Oh, someone would take over as his new manager? Well, he was afraid. I'm the only K-manager, kid. I mean, he kept him away from all the new technology that was going on in rock and roll. I mean, right down to the stage lights and all that stuff. I mean, his show stayed pretty much the same all through it. I mean, the Colonel kept everything just the way it was. It's fine.

Elvis was fine with it. But he never really saw what people were doing, say, in the 70s with rock and roll and how the shows got big. And there was so much more he could do. But he was isolated so much from it all. I mean, he was kept away from the best songwriters. Really? You know, it's really a shame I mean you know and you know the stories are true about him you know not being able to act in the

movies he wanted to I mean he was obviously a talented actor that never had had a chance at some good good roles and why was that well that was because the Colonel as well all pretty much the Colonel kept him in a in a box you know I mean they had the system worked out where they would get X amount of dollars up front, and they knew how much money they would make from the movies. And then they had the circuit. Then they would put out these batch of songs, most of them just thrown off, recorded in three days, whatever. And they just had this system.

And then the colonel allegedly would take this briefcase, his share, and go right to Vegas. And then he'd go back to L.A. with an empty briefcase, you know. And then it was Elvis, it's time for another movie. So the colonel was a gambling junkie. Oh, that's the story. That makes sense. It makes sense. And Sinatra also had a different style of music as the rock and roll was coming along.

His style of music was a generation before. For folks who haven't heard the early Sinatra stuff, it's kind of shocking. The early Sinatra's voice was really high-pitched. It didn't sound like it like you ever heard sinatra pull up early sinatra see if you could find some real old school sinatra because he had this like i don't want to say like a falsetto but it was like a very high pitched voice and he could hit these incredible notes, but all the Jack Daniels and the cigarettes, it changed it to this, baby. You know, he became, I got you under my skin.

It became like a, he was more talking it than he was singing it. Well, he kind of realized there was this persona that he could grow into, you know, and I think that that's a a part of it you know what i mean he realized that he was the you know he was hanging with these guys who were like looked at as the coolest guys on the planet and he was he was basically the boss right you know what i mean and chief of the rat pack right there man and you know they had their restaurants and the places they would hang and the broads and the booze and the martinis and the you know whatever's you know they had their restaurants and uh places they would hang and the broads and the booze and the martinis and the you know whatever's you know and uh that was that was his thing and

that's that's what that's what he he he lived it you know yeah let me hear this i'm almost mad i must have roused the devil's wrath cause cause all my love's bad. I make a date for God. Isn't that weird? Well, he's singing like Bing Crosby, for Christ's sake. You know what I mean? But that was, you know, he's kind of finding his place. And then, you know, you can hear it in the way he sings.

He just drips cool. Yeah. You know, when he found his voice and he found his niche and his public persona, you know. He's got some songs where he demonstrates this incredible range, too, with his voice. I mean, he could hit these amazing notes that a lot of people don't think of when you think of Sinatra. You know, you think of all the different classic hits that he had. But these really old songs show you what he could have been or what he originally was. You get to see the morphing of it all.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, that's probably why, again, he didn't... I mean, he was was at the time considering the technology and how people got their their entertainment he got as big as anybody could get yeah he was he was about as big as it could get back then yeah he hates here his vocal range that's it I hear this. This is the older one.

Yeah, I think it's showing all the different vocal harmonies. Yeah, this is not the young guy, though. You just want to find the young one, which is the most interesting thing. I got his mug shot on my wall as well at home yeah he uh was arrested for seduction really yeah whatever that means probably giving the old schlavil to someone's wife you know what i'm saying but he was really young too and uh he was tiny he was like 125 pounds i think in the mugshot wow yeah let me pull that up because it's kind of bizarre. Yeah, he was a tiny little dude. Yeah, Sinatra.

Wow, the man with the golden arm, right? No, that was, was he in, I don't remember. There we go. The man with the golden voice, right? Wasn't he? Oh, yeah, that too. But, I mean, he did that movie there. He was arrested in 1938, charged with carrying on with a married woman.

That was illegal. Carrying on with a married woman. What does carrying on mean? It means he was getting his freak on. Well, I mean, you know, I mean, how do you define that in court? All you have to do is be with a married woman, I guess. Probably like alone. And you're carrying on.

That's all you have to do back then. Probably 1938, they were terrified of everything. You know, they probably thought it could summon a demon. Carry on with a married woman. They didn't know anything back then. They didn't have the internet.

They only had like four books. Watch out who you get on the elevator with, you know? Yeah, watch out who you get. Definitely football players. Don't get in the elevator with football players. They tend to get a little smacky.

Yeah, he was 125 pounds, I think. It doesn't say it here. It doesn't show. But I have the piece of paper that came with it that charged him. Jesus. Yeah. They sell it at one of these poster shops. It's hilarious, though.

When you had a chance to see guys like elvis when you were a kid and you had a chance to see those guys and all the trials and tribulations they went through and all the pitfalls did you did you get a chance to learn from some some of that stuff did it would that do you think that that like helped you in any way? I think that it was one of those things that I just, being young, arrogant, and 18, you think, that ain't going to happen to me. You know? I mean, that was kind of the vibe. I mean, I just, plus I couldn't relate to it because I never saw it in person. Right. I always had that illusion of, you know, because it was on TV.

He's always had that illusion of, you know, because it was on TV, and you always have that feeling like there's just sitting there, you know, without knowing anybody famous or, you know, or anything like that. I mean, it was like something you saw on TV or heard on the radio. So I couldn't really relate to it in a visceral way, in a real way, you know. So it just was one of those things that you just, I i never saw like a uh an alcoholic or anything like that i mean you know you know in person until i actually like hung out with the dolls the new york really wow you know what i mean you know what i mean except for you know like a homeless person here or there that was it you, you know. So I was pretty naive when I was growing up. I was real lucky when I was a kid that I did a lot of construction. My stepfather was an architect,

so he got me on a lot of construction sites for jobs. Yeah. And I got around a lot of junkies, a lot of junkies and a lot of alcoholics. And I got to see these guys just destroying their lives i got to see guys who you know they'd be clean they'd be clean they'd be clean then one day they'd have a beer at work you know they would just show up with a beer like wrapped up in a in a paper bag and then they would go off the rails and then they would not show up

at work and everybody would make fun of them on the job and i just got to see these people that just couldn't control substances and being around that i got to you know as a young kid as a young teenager there's like all my summer jobs were construction gigs and i got to see like people ruin their lives and i remember thinking to myself okay this is something i gotta i gotta learn from that i don't want to be that guy you know There's a good thing about seeing people fuck up is that if you're paying attention, it really can help you. It really can absorb that if you're paying attention. But I guess what you're saying is that seeing it on TV, whether it's Elvis or anybody else that did it, like Janis Joplin or Hendrix dying of heroin overdoses or whatever and choking on their own vomit, it doesn't seem like it's going to happen to you because it's not like your buddy.

Right. Exactly. I had a buddy in high school, and his cousin was a Coke dealer. And I got to see this guy just waste away. He went from being this normal, fun-loving guy to constantly just tucked away. And he had an attic apartment. Him and his girlfriend would just do coke and watch tv they were just they just vanished he just shriveled up to nothing like he i mean he

must have lost like he was a skinny guy already but he must have lost like 30 or 40 pounds just like whittled away to this little non-eating coke snorting tv watching weirdo god and uh i remember thinking to myself nope never gonna try that shit wow but i was lucky i was lucky that i got to see that i got to see it with my eyes yeah at an age that it made an impression you know yeah yeah if i wasn't if i was around only nice people that did nice things i probably would have been like cocaine what's that where'd you guys get that you know yeah well it was uh definitely uh it was definitely part of that in my youth. Of course.

It was definitely isolated in a very small town. I mean, it just wasn't that kind of thing as I was growing up. What town did you grow up in? In Hopedale, Massachusetts, which is probably about 30, 40 minutes away from Foxborough, where the Patriots play for anybody that doesn't know Boston at all. So it was just way out in the suburbs, not like just 10 minutes. It was like a couple-hour trek to get into town, into Boston. And I didn't start going in there until i was probably 15 or 16 years old my mother

would drive us to the to the nearest train stop and we'd take the train in and hang around all day and then take the train back out and she would meet us and you never lost your boston accent well i still have a little bit of it you got quite a bit of it if i heard you on the radio i'd be like if i didn't know who you were i'd be like oh that guy's from boston yeah for sure it's not what if i'm home for a while then you'll then it really sinks in i start talking to my friends and then it really comes back but i kind of have you know kind of bi-coastal you know kind of a little la in there and a lot of midwestern because billy my wife is from the midwest and you know so it So it kind of smooths it out a little bit. Once in a while, it's like I forgot what the letter R sounds like.

When I was reading the audio book, I was afraid that too much of it would get in there or maybe there should be more of it. I don't know. But then I just gave up on it maybe there should be more of it. I don't know. I just I just Then I just gave up on it and just Got through it, you know Yeah It's one of the it's one of those weird accents that people kind of don't like to have for some reason I didn't like to

Have I got rid of mine. I hurt myself on TV when I was 19 and I was like Jesus Christ. I sound like that Uh-huh. I was like, we're really working hard. And I was like, oh, no. Is that me? But when I drink, it comes out still, right? A little bit? A little bit. Yeah, definitely. Or if you're on the road, I've noticed that.

Like, if we go back to Boston, I see. If we go back to Boston, I drink with my savage friends from high school. Remember those animals that we met at the Comedy Connection one night? If I go drinking with them, it'll probably come out. Four or five beers in in and it's out. There's guys that do a whole, comedians that do their whole routine. It's all about the Boston accent. Steve Sweeney. There you go.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know Steve Sweeney. Of course, right? He's a riot. Oh, one of the greatest of all time. It's a goddamn shame that people don't know who that guy is. Pack my car.

Yeah. If you're from Boston and you go to see Steve Sweeney, you'd think he's the funniest dude who's ever walked the face of the planet. Oh, yeah. But it's like so much of it was Boston-centered. When he would leave and go out of town, the people didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. Right.

Oh, yeah. That was the one thing, you know, that he had trouble making it out of that area, you know. How old were you when Aerosmith cracked? Well, I'd say, cracked is an interesting word. When you cracked through to the public consciousness, it became huge. It took us a while, man. I mean, there were places where we could sell out. In Boston.

Sell out arenas. Well, actually, Detroit was the first town that really took us in. Really? Yeah, because Detroit was known as the rock city. They had the MC5, the Stooges, I mean, hardcore rock. And they loved Jay Giles, who was, in my mind, one of the best live bands ever. First band I ever saw live.

Man, I mean, they're just so good. I mean, just great. And I can remember seeing them when they actually started their thing where they would start with just three guys on stage and then another guy would come up, another guy, and then Peter would finish his radio show and come down and then blow everybody away with the last four songs or whatever. So anyway, they went to Detroit.

They owned Detroit. And so when we were making our way through, playing the clubs in Pennsylvania, Ohio, whatever, when we hit Detroit, Detroit was ready to hear another band from Boston because they loved Jay Giles. They kind of paved the way for us. from Boston because they loved Jay Giles. They kind of paved the way for us, you know.

So we went to Detroit, and over the course of six months, the single got re-released, and we went back to Boston, and all of a sudden we were filling clubs. And I was probably 20, 21 when that started to happen. Wow, 21. 21 when it all started to really come together. What a crazy thing to deal with at 21. Well, yeah, it doesn't seem that, I mean, now I don't know. But, man, I mean, we worked a long while to get it there.

But still, there were places we could go and still be like third on the bill. now and so we'd have to like conquer texas you know what i mean or conquer conquer florida you know and uh um because we really didn't get much love from them from the critics and the and all that and uh but the fans were there you know and they were they had heard about us they heard and heard us and they'd be singing along with the record. And finally we could go anywhere in the States. Well, when you guys hit, you guys were a force of nature. I mean, it's like seriously one of the greatest bands of all time. I mean, it's got to be an amazing thing to be a part of,

one of the greatest bands of all time. I mean, it's got to feel surreal in some ways. Well, sometimes I can't relate to it i mean frankly i mean it's really really i mean they read off the the things you know i mean lately you know doing the the press tour and stuff for the book and all that and they'll read these statistics and i there's stuff in there that i don't even know because i don't read that i don't really get into that stuff. You guys had some hits that were just so fucking badass. You know, I mean, to this day,

to this day, I hear Train Keeper Rollin', Train Kepa Rollin'. God damn, that's a good song. It's so many songs that were so good. Like, every now and then, a band comes along that has, like, this real, real like obviously acdc has a very acdc sound there's a sound to acdc but with your guitar playing and tyler's vocals you guys had

such a distinctive sound like you could hear like in the first couple like walk this way you could hear the first couple notes that this is a goddamn Aerosmith song. There's like a thing to it, like a feeling that you heard when you listened to it. And, man, when I was a kid, dude, when we were in high school and we would play your songs, you know, back then everybody had boom boxes. I used to walk to, I worked at Newport Creamery's

ice cream place, and I used to walk with a boom box on my shoulder. That was how you listened to music. Nobody had any other way to listen to music right so take this fucking boom box to my shoulder with a cassette right yeah yeah cassettes were big we were very excited we didn't have eight tracks back then jesus well the eight tracks were amazing i can remember hearing one once and the guys that would because because they'd only have so much you know before they switched and they would they would edit the songs it they wouldn't be listening to the songs they would just edit it because the time was up you know so after after five minutes on one you know one track it would click and then like in the in

the middle of a verse it would just fade away and then it would fade back in after it did the and switch to the next uh it was you know just some guy at uh at columbia you know another another tape or another album you just okay with a stopwatch and he would just click it over and it was really frustrating to hear it like that because you the middle of a guitar solo, you go, wait a second, that's my favorite, you know, and we had no control over that, you know. Yeah, it was so archaic in a way, but you go back now and you think about it,

the transition from 8-track to cassette to CD to where we are today with digital music, it seems so fast when you look at it in terms of the history of the world. It's like a blink of the eye. And we went from this thing that's on a spool to some shit that's in the cloud. I mean, it really happened like that. It's like money. It's just there. Yeah, I mean, in our lifetime, it changed so much.

It seems like a long time ago to us. But in the sense of the human race, it's nothing. It's no time at all. It's funny. Over the last couple of days, people have handed me vinyl again. Yeah. And it's like, of course, I don't have a turntable where i'm staying and uh but i'm thinking of going and picking one up it's one of those small you know portable ones just so i can

listen to what's on the on the vinyl yeah sturgill simpson gave us they're tucked away they're in the back sturgill simpson's this fucking badass country singer who's on um he's on tonight on the jimmy fallon show he was on last week and he gave me these vinyls and it made me want to go get a record player i think i'm going to do it i'm going to dive in get one for here right we should get one for here i mean you don't need to spend a ton of money and they're only like a good one there's only a couple hundred bucks they're coming back yeah hey it's great it's one of my one of my favorite things to do is go downstairs to my office, and I got some old studio monitors that are like 40 years old, and I got a $200 turntable and a little amp, and that's it. And I got the old Hendrix records and stuff.

And, of course, they still crackle and scratch and all that. But, man, there's so much sound to that and so much warmth. It's amazing. That's exactly how Sturgill described it. He described it as a warmth. I don't understand because I'm musically retarded. Yeah, but you just know what you like. That's all.

I know what I like. That's all that matters. Yeah. It doesn't have to be. You can, I mean, obviously have to kind of learn a little bit more about the technical part of it, you know, because I make records and record, but basically it's just like what you're used to and what you like, and that's the shame of it. A lot of people have never really experienced vinyl,

and so they're fine with the little earbuds, you know what I mean? Yeah, they don't know. Everything's squashed down to 16-bit and all that stuff, and so it sounds fine. You know, actually, for classical music, CDs work pretty good, because you could really start to pick out the different instruments, you know, but for rock and roll, it just, where you're just looking, you know, really, like, say, an ACDC record, you know, you're listening to two guitars, a vocal, drums, and a singer. And, you know, there's so much space and air on a vinyl record, you know. It's just amazing.

Yeah. And then, of course, the old recordings are just brilliant. When I was wrestling in high school, we used to come out to Lightning Strikes. Really? That's the one song that they did when I wasn't in the band. Oh, really? That I really liked. And I keep saying, why don't we play Lightning Strikes?

Because it was really good. Right. A good friend of ours wrote it. And so I don't care. I mean, it's a cool song. And I don't know. It just kind of gets pushed to the side. It's a great song.

It's cool. Good for you, though. It doesn't bother you. No. You guys had this separation period, and then you came back. How much time did you separate for? I was gone about five years. What was it like to just not be in the band and then come back?

in the band and then come back well it was uh on the on the the to get out there and play without any any hassle without any any without any like uh backstage bullshit any of that crap you know that was building up and then built up um it was great i just loved it because i could just get on stage play and i've had guys it was more like a party. I just picked guys that could play and like to party, and that's what we did. So when you were doing the Joe Perry Project, you were essentially doing clubs and small theaters and just appreciating the music again?

Yeah, and just getting out there. And, of course, I was going through some personal stuff that was not so much fun, so I kind of avoided Boston quite a bit. But on the other hand, I also had a young son that I was trying to see at that time. As I was going through the divorce, I also had my first son. And, you know, so I wanted to get back to see him. But, man, I loved being on the road. And so it was kind of a turbulent time. But just strictly from the playing part, I loved it. But it was so good when you guys got back together again. Well, that was the, you know, again, Billy, my wife, who I met when I was in the project, really didn't know about Aerosmith.

I mean, she was traveling around the country and kind of missed the times we were there and just didn't listen to that kind of music. I mean, she was into, you know, like college radio and alternative music, and she didn't really know what an Aerosmith was. And, you know, I didn't walk around with an Aerosmith T-shirt on or any of that shit, you know. She just remembers seeing me play and thinking, well, this guy might have some potential. Somebody saw him and noticed him.

In fact, she didn't even think the band I was with was my band. She thought it was the singer's band. But whatever. But the point is that coming from her objective point of view, it was like, because I was thinking of joining up with some other guys like Alice, Alice Cooper or something, and she said, well, if you're going to play with that level of people, why don't you just go back with those guys?

You know, I mean, you guys had a good time, and obviously you did well, so why not? And it was like, I sat there and went, well, why not? it was like I said I went well why not you know the dust had settled a lot of personal stuff had been settled and so I started talking with Steven and the other guys and over a couple of months we put it back together you guys came back with back in the saddle well yeah I mean that was a great fucking song to come back to. Well, we had all those great songs from the 70s that are still the backbone of what we

play today. The first record with Geffen we did was not that hot, I don't think. I mean, we're hardcore fans, some of them like it, but it obviously wasn't what we could do. But by then, we were still partying, and it just wasn't working. So that's when we cleaned up, and then we did permanent vacation. There's got to be a really difficult thing to manage when you're in a rock and roll band. There's drugs. There's partying.

There's all this craziness. But there's also a lot partying there's all this craziness but there's also a lot of work that's got to be done right there's a lot of writing and rehearsing and a lot of practicing and i mean the managing all that stuff and then managing all the egos seems to me to be like probably one of the most difficult things about bands and seems to be what always happens the egos and then the drugs and then everything falls apart yeah well the drugs definitely exacerbate the whole the whole thing i mean what whatever and in fact some of the most most fucked up stuff that happened to the band happened after we cleaned up you know and and again that's kind of one of the reasons i wrote the book was because i felt like people should

know just how hard it is or how hard it's been to keep the band together. That's why there's so few of us that have, that have managed to, to, to be, to make 40, you know, it's 42 years now,

you know, and it's tough. Um, the behind the scenes stuff. And, uh, a lot of that just never came out, uh,

especially the last 20 years. So, um, you know, I felt like it should be documented somehow. Well, the book is kicking ass, man. I was at the bookstore the other day, and it was number four on the New York Times bestseller list. I mean, that's gigantic. Really? That's what they said?

Yeah. You were number four on their little shelf where it has all the numbers? Yeah. You don't even know what number it was? That's nice. Well, you know, it was... Maybe an aerosmith fan stuck it in there maybe it was number seven and he was like i think it was came in at eight or something like that uh when at first the first thing i mean we were just happy to make the top the top best seller i mean whatever we had no idea but look at that on amazon four and a half stars. Wow. With 29 reviews. That's gigantic.

That's pretty fucking huge. Wow. Well, people are starting to read it, I guess. Well, definitely they're reading it. For a lot of folks who grew up during that time, I was in high school in the 80s, and you guys were just

fucking super gigantic. It's a part of our life. I mean, there's cultural icon bands van halen was a cultural icon band and for me um when david lee roth left van halen i was depressed i was literally depressed yeah i couldn't believe it you know i mean sammy hagar seems like a great guy nothing against sammy hagar but i was like what the fuck is this like what have you done yeah like what are you doing with my life when i was a kid my friend jay had on his car john rather his brother jay my my friend john the jewets john jay and his brother

cliffy and cliffy had a fucking 65 gto was the sweetest car I'd ever seen in my life. It was candy apple red, 65 GTO that had chirps. Chirps was his license plate. Because he would shift gears and make the tires squeal. He would do that all over the place. But John had a Van Halen license plate. It was like V, you know, he abbreviated it in some fucking sort of way. But we'd do the Aerosmith logo on our notebooks and we'd do the Van Halen logo.

I'd do a Kiss logo on my notebook. And then when fucking David Lee Roth left Van Halen, we were devastated. And it was the same thing when you left Aerosmith. Everybody was like, what the fuck? Aerosmith without Joe Perry? What the fuck?

Yeah, well, hey, it was very weird. That's depressing for kids. I had to bust loose. I mean, it was just too much. I mean, we literally walked off stage after selling out to 60,000 people. And that was the last gig I did with them for five years. But we stayed friends all through it i mean we

called each other and said hi you know and that kind of thing and it wasn't like we were like i'll never talk to that again right it really wasn't like that i mean because it was so much so much stuff going on outside of the band but i think that if the band had been and i've said this a million times if we had been clearer we would have just taken a vacation and just kind of you know relaxed so taking a couple years and let things settle you know what I mean yeah I would think that when you're in a band that's that huge and worldwide and touring just the sheer RPMs that you're operating at just a just a touring and press and fucking crowds and gigs and coke and booze and you said it man i'll tell you part of the ringing in my ears is from that

just that i'm sure i'll tell you do you have that tinnitus shit no i don't you don't i do have a little bit of uh hearing loss in a couple of frequencies but but i don you have that tinnitus shit? No, I don't. You don't? I do have a little bit of hearing loss and a couple of frequencies, but I don't have the tinnitus. How did you avoid getting that? Did you put earplugs in? No, I've been, fortunately, I have really small ear canals for some reason. And I don't have it. It's like I've been just really lucky. And, you know, I guess if you get enough rest, rest your ears between, you know, the times it gets hit. Right. And also on stage, it's not as loud as, it's not like I'm standing in front of the marshals all night long.

Right. You know what I mean? I move around. It's loud. It's not as loud. So I have to think it's that and just just it's good genes i've been lucky you know i mean uh um i don't have that that that constant ringing that guys get some guys are that's really some guys that worked for the bands like that

would be backstage or like a lot of guys that work at venues concert venues they're because nobody knew back then. Nobody knew in the 70s and the 80s you had to keep your ears clogged up or you'd be in trouble. Yeah. Well, they got all the charts now. There's a half an hour at this DB,

a half an hour at this DB, an hour is going to... There's a place where it actually starts causing permanent damage. So you can... They have it all charted out. I've checked out the amps to see exactly how loud they are and all that. And all that. And so, you know, but again, we kind of, I wander around the stage a lot.

And there's a lot of times it isn't that loud. Right, right, right. Anyway, I've just been fortunate not to have that. Some bands, they just really fucking crank it, though, right? Well, you know, it's more like... Speaking of loud, if you can get that microphone closer to your face... They do, but you know what? The guys, the drummers are the ones that get it the worst,

because they're sitting right next to that snare drum and the cymbals, and it's constant, and're right right next to it so they're the ones that are more liable to get it than than anybody do most guys now like plug their ears up where or some sort of ear protection you know i i guess i don't know i mean uh a lot of them with the in-ear monitors you know especially the, and that blocks a lot out. But also, it's really easy to turn those up too loud, and that's constant. See, that's where you can get in trouble because you keep turning it up, you get excited, you're hearing the audience. And so it's like constantly having these on turned up.

And you don't have anything relative because your ears get used to it and you're not feeling it, so you turn it up a little more. So it's easy to get carried away with the ear things. I mean, most of them have like a limiter on them so that they don't go over a certain dB, but it's the constant thing that's more damaging than, say, just getting hit with just one zap of 130 dB. You know what I mean?

They say that about gunfire, too. Yeah. If you hear one big boom, you're okay. But if you hear a bunch of them over and over, if you're at a range. Right. If you collect guns, do you ever use those electronic ones that muffle out the gunshot sounds but they actually amplify voices um i have some i've never gotten around to using oh they're amazing but i use you try that yeah it's really interesting how weird yeah it's crazy like you you can have a conversation you can hear like

rappers right like like not rapper like a black guy but i mean like uh or a white guy wants to be a black guy i mean like like a piece of paper like you a black guy, but I mean like a, or a white guy who wants to be a black guy. I mean like a piece of paper. Like you can hear like gum wrappers like really loud. It's like you hear things louder than you would normally, but then somehow or another when a gunshot goes off, it muffles it.

Right. I can see off, like hunting would be really good because you can hear what's going on out there. But I just never had a chance to use them i usually just put in plugs and you know and that's when you go to the range good enough yeah do you shoot a lot uh as much as i can you know when i get home or when i'm up in the woods up in vermont you know you know uh anthony from opiate anthony of course yeah anthony's fucking crazy he carries a gun with him everywhere.

He's got at least 100 guns. He doesn't even know how many he has. He's got them all over his house. We're in the USA, man. We're in the privileged country when it comes to that. Yeah. You have a gun tattoo on your forearm. What's that all about?

That I do. It says, come and take it oh whoa in greek in in greek you know when what's his name uh leonidas uh was at the at the thing there with the with the persians coming in and he's and the persian guy said uh you know throw down your spear and we'll let you go and he just said come and come and take it. And so that's what that says. That's American as fuck. Hey, man. Hey. A gun tattoo that says, come and take it.

It's about as American as you can get. Unless it was an eagle with a heart on hovering over the gun. That would be the only thing that would be more American. Hey, man. The Constitution is there for a reason, you know? Well, yeah. It's a hot topic for debate. It's one of those things where people will say some pretty ridiculous things.

People hear something like this thing that happened in Seattle, and this school shooting where this kid shot this girl that was apparently horrible. Terrible. but that's a mental illness issue to me the fact that he had a gun is just the the tool that he used to carry out his mentally ill idea exactly it has almost nothing to do with i mean obviously a gun makes it easier but we have millions of guns in this country, millions. And if you look at the amount of actual violence that takes place, is it regrettable that it happens because, you know, someone uses a gun? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, fucking lutely.

But there's so many factors that lead to someone doing something horrible. The tool that they use, it shouldn't be that you're gonna take those tools away from everybody who would never do that in a million years that seems ridiculous to me it just doesn't it doesn't seem logical we don't live in a perfect world where everything is black and white and easy to solve exactly it's not it's it's so you know and i have issues with certain things about like say what the NRA says. You know, I mean, it's like they're – I mean, I think that a lot – I mean, we have some laws that should be enforced, you know, more stringently. And I think that it should be more standardized.

I mean, it's crazy that you can – they can have a – carry a gun in one state. Then you cross the border and you're totally – and you're a felon. You know, it's just – it should be standardized, you know, and they should have background checks that they do. It should be more stringent and all that. But, you know, to say that we're going to just snap your fingers and everything's going to be nice if we just ban guns, I mean, I was in Australia a couple of trips ago, and I remember there was this guy that was walking

around the streets with carrying an axe and when apparently he hadn't done anything violent but just the fact he was like obviously not right you know when people saw him they looked at him and you know he was living in a different world let's say and uh he was just carrying this axe around you know walking down the street in downtown and you know i mean who knew when the guy's going to turn around and swing it you know and so it's like you said it's like it's it's really not the tool it's it's the guy what wielding it and and that's the that's a big part of the issue. And the fact is, this country was, I mean, it's such a part of our culture. I mean, how many statues are there with guys standing there with a flintlock in their hands? You know what I mean? found in this country liberated themselves from these kings and queens and the the monarchies

that were in control of uh the population in europe and the reason why they came to america in the first place but so is slavery so it's like it's one of those things like you that's a part of our foundation of our country and so is black people in shackles so it's not really exactly something to be excited about but i think that there's not enough laws when it comes to making it difficult to get a gun. I think that you should have to take a test. You should have to know what you're doing. I think it's absolutely ridiculous

that all you have to do is have a background check, and if you're not a crazy person or you haven't been in jail, you can get a gun. But you've got to go through a bunch of fucking hoops and ladders to get a gun but you gotta you gotta go through a bunch of fucking hoops and ladders to get a driver's license like how do you not have to have a really detailed understanding of how to be safe with a firearm what's the correct use of a firearm what are the laws of of using a firearm what are the laws and as far as state by state and how you protect yourself you know everyone now is aware that florida's got

some fucking wacky laws because the zimmerman case and you know there's other states that are even more loose than florida is when it comes to what you can do in fucking arizona you could just walk around with a gun right they have open carry yeah but then you also look at the uh crime rate and in most states that have have you're allowed to have a gun in some form or another. Most of the crime rates are lower. But then there's ways they can skew the numbers and make it look better for one than the other. And a lot of other things have to be taken into account. But overall, the states that have guns have a lower crime rate.

But, you know, again, there are other factors involved. But I think that people should – it should be more standardized and it should be treated with more respect. But I don't think that at this point anybody's going to be taking, again, they take away the guns, the criminals will have guns. Yeah, just because they make it illegal. Just because they make it illegal, it's like, come on, it's too late. It is. It's like trying to take salt out of the ocean.

Like, good luck. Exactly. It's ridiculous. It's just too much. And it's also, my feeling on it is like okay well who's going to get to decide is it going to be the federal government well what a wonderful job they've done of regulating marijuana fucking locking little kids up in jail i mean there's there's people that are in jail for the rest of their life for marijuana right and you want me to trust the same people

to regulate firearms fuck off you know they've done a terrible job and what they've done with our tax dollars they've done a terrible job and what they've done with our tax dollars they've done a terrible job with how they've mitigated natural disasters like katrina and diseases and what they're doing with ebola they've done a shit job across the board so the idea that we're gonna let the federal government or allow these people that are in control of the federal government i should say because you know what is the federal government you know it's it's a group that's supposed to keep everybody safe and in order in this whole country.

But they're just a bunch of fucking assholes that get elected for jobs or get hired for jobs and try to make their jobs as easy as possible running things. I'm not, it just doesn't make any sense to me. That's why I think something like the NRA is actually important. You need a counterbalance to the wackiness

of the knee-jerk reactionary people that just want to pull things away right we need to keep all the guns away from people you're not going to do that you need to accept the fact that there's a fucking 700 million gun collection in this country i mean who knows how many guns there are i don't know it's probably more guns than people fuck of a lot fuck of a Fuck of a lot. That's the exact right amount. And the other thing is, it's like, again, I mean, just because you have one doesn't mean you're safe. Exactly. It's been, I think Hemingway said, it's probably for like a small weapon, it's probably more bullets have been fired and missed than any other weapon in history. That was something that Hemingway said. More bullets have been fired and missed than any other weapon in history.

That was something that Hemingway said. But, I mean, frankly, I'd be more afraid of you with your bare hands with the training you've had than, say, somebody that comes bursting in with a gun, waving a gun around. You know what I mean? Because it's training. It's like the whole thing. I mean, guys that have trained and trained and trained and won all these, you know, sharpshooting stuff, and it's like they get in an altercation in the line of duty,

and they fire 40 rounds, and they miss every one. Yeah, people did definitely panic, for sure. So it's definitely not, you know, it just needs, I think that they just need to tighten up the laws. Well, also, you know, people, there's one of the arguments. People say, well, the laws, the Second Amendment was written back when they had muskets.

And today you have AR-15s, you have semi-automatic rifles, you have all these crazy guns that are super accurate and long-range scopes. This is absolutely true. But one thing that people need to take into consideration is that there's also a thing called drones and what we have now is nothing in comparison to the reality of warfare in other countries like what we're what we're doing right now in other countries with drones where they're firing missiles from flying robots right now those are only in the hands of the military who's to say that that's how it's going to be 50 years from now who's to say that's how it's going to be 30 years from now there's going to come a time where we're

going to have to trust that people don't just send a drone over to your house and eliminate your fucking building and that sounds preposterous but it's not it's not they do it all the time it can happen yeah i mean it's like not the government, but regular people are going to have access to that technology. That's right. Just go online and you can buy the drones now that can lift a couple of pounds. Who knows what the hell. I mean, so again, it's like people behind the stuff, you know, they carry the stuff. So anyway, that's...

We're going to have to address mental illness in this country i mean that's that's a giant issue and i don't think pharmaceutical drug companies want us to do that for sure because they're making unbelievable amounts of money just medicating people just sending pills into people's lives and some of it is helping people again that's not a black and white issue either there's a lot of people that take antidepressants and antipsychotic medication. It's doing a world of good for them. I know personally people whose lives have benefited tremendously. I have friends that were on the verge of suicide.

And they started taking antidepressants and SSRIs. And now they're happy and healthy. And they're doing great. And I'm so happy that they exist for that reason. But, again, this isn't a black and white issue because if you look at school shootings and you look at these mass shootings and you look at the amount of those people that are on anti-psychotic or ssris and all these different medications it's all it's almost like 90 something percent it's incredible how many people are on it

so you have to wonder how much of what's happening with these school shootings and these different mass killings is this associative powers of these drugs. The fact that these people can detach themselves from these crimes, detach themselves from violent acts. We don't know. We don't know exactly what we're doing when we're dabbling with the human mind, especially when we're dealing with truly troubled people that maybe didn't develop properly when they were children.

And the mechanism for Understanding and compassion just isn't there right just isn't there and you're dealing with people who are abused You're dealing with people who are isolated and bullied and then you're giving them these disassociative drugs And you're giving them access to guns and whoa you got a fucking huge problem And then America will go it's a gun problem the fuck it's a gun problem right it's not a gun problem no i totally agree totally i mean that's that's it the problem is they don't take the medication is what the you know my experience has been like when we've had people you know that have found out where we live so to speak um they've gone off their medication you know what i mean

and then they're like uh reading anyway i don't want to know you get into that anymore but you know what i mean yes yeah we have a good buddy that had uh he's a great guy but he got off his medication and went wonky and i started getting emails from people hey our friend is having an issue here he's off his medication we gotta figure out a way to get him and get him back on his medication. And when he was off his medication, he was just gone, though. He just wasn't the same guy. Right. But when he was on it, great guy.

It's like you said. So it has its place. It just gets overused. And, you know, the drug companies go around and they just hand the stuff out for free to the doctors. And it's like the doctor's fine, you know. That's the new disease du jour that's on the cover of time you know so that's it ask your doctor what this can do for you oh man ask your doctor go ask your doctor you know and then too much you know will cause a heart attack you may drop dead you may violent diarrhea right suicidal thoughts

that's my favorite. Suicidal thoughts for antidepressants. Right. They cause suicidal thoughts. What? Bleeding from your ears. I mean, all that stuff. It's like in the fine print, you know?

And again, it's the issue that everybody wants to have like, we need to do this. No, we need to examine this issue. There's not a clear cut situation. It's not a black or white situation. It's this very bizarre, nuanced, complex issue that we only deal with when the fucking thing explodes. We only deal with it when someone walks into a school and starts shooting everybody up like Columbine. Then we start dealing with it. But when that's not happening, we don't address it.

We move on with our lives because we have mortgages and student loans and fucking traffic and our kids are screaming and you just it's it's easy to forget it's easy to forget that we live in this incredibly medicated society and it doesn't always work and it's tough i mean the the the way that they you read the mainstream press and they say the economy is doing better the economy is not doing better i mean it's tough out there you know and and so people are worried about day-to-day stuff i mean and living and it's like uh it's really easy to to not worry about you know what happened in some state and wherever and you know so it's it's it's really tough you know um to to focus on some of those things and and and do something about it you know

yeah i don't understand the economy do you understand the economy not at all i mean just that the people there well i do i do understand that too many too many jobs are outsourced you know what i mean and and i saw it happen in my hometown yeah you know and it was like a self-contained place everybody worked there they made every part that they needed in that factory and it turned out uh you know these these complicated machines every it got bought up by a big company and then they started taking the place apart people started losing their jobs and the town basically is just a bedroom community now for a commute to Boston or wherever they can find a job. Well, Detroit, which you brought up earlier.

We filmed a television show in Detroit. And, man, I couldn't believe the amount of poverty that I was seeing there. I mean, people always talk about third world countries and how horrible third world countries are. There's areas of Detroit that you'd be better off in a third world country you know at least in a third world country maybe you could live off the land i mean you're you're in an urban environment where these poor fucking people man there were some people that i was there they were they were fishing in this river that was uh one of it's voted or rated as one of the most polluted rivers in the country and these people were pulling out fish to eat because they were starving.

I mean, they were just hungry. And there was not one. There was a bunch of poor people that were fishing in this river and pulling these fish out. And, you know, it smelled. It was next to a factory. It fucking stunk.

It was next to Zug Island. And there's all this shit in the water. You're looking at those, you know that rainbow sort of sheen that gets on the water when oil and gas those you know that rainbow sort of sheen oh yeah it gets on the water when oil and gas you know that nasty shit yeah are you give us the et shirt on son it was a dump i used to play play in what is that ebt what's ebt it's not bet nah it's a it's a like a parody yeah don't tell me what it is but yeah there's these i mean you ever see roger and me the documentary michael moore about flint michigan no i don't know it's about them closing an auto plant in flint michigan and now these

poor folks who their entire livelihood was based on this auto plant right and and this this this business and it just went away and then the the entire town just fell apart and it's where michael moore grew up so he sort of documented this whole tragedy unfolding it's unbelievably depressing because they're trapped yeah i mean they're in in a place that's unless they have that that factory that there's this you know like it's a long drive to someplace any place could you know you could find work and it's like it's exactly that what I'm talking about where I grew up you know same thing so you know my you know my background isn't unlike a lot a lot of people and I think that's that's the

core of what the economy is I mean when we were the strongest we're making everything here yeah you know and uh and it just kills me i remember lifting lifting some weight somewhere and and i'm looking at this this 50 pound weight and this is made in china and they're telling me that it's cheaper to make it in china and ship it all the way over here than it is to make it here isn't that crazy how is that possible how is that possible it's like 50 you, and this was 15 to 20 years ago, you know, when I was going to the gym a lot and checking it out. And it was like, all this stuff is made overseas. How can they be better for the economy for it to be made over there? And we're just talking about dead weight, you know? Well, there was also a bunch of times

when things got made overseas and they were way better too that's a that's a real issue like made in china was always like a diss you know like oh it's made in china like there was always like because it means that it was made as cheap as possible but when i was growing up it was japan yeah no it's iphones iphones are all made they're made in a factory where people are jumping off the goddamn roof, man. I mean, they have nets all around the Foxconn factories because so many people who work there are jumping off the roof. They live there and they work- you haven't seen this? No. Oh, it's horrible. Foxconn had- and this is the cute thing is the way they dress it up. What they say is, well, the percentage of people that commit suicide of these factories is

pretty much the same as the percentage of people that commit suicide in the country. But what they don't tell you is, how many of those fucking people commit suicide at work? Unbelievable. They live there. So they're slaves. They're essentially slaves. They're making pennies an hour. I mean, I don't know what the exact number is, but it's not a living wage in this country by any stretch of the imagination.

Right. a living wage in this country by any stretch of the imagination and these people are so fucking depressed and so overworked that they have to put nets all around the buildings keep them from jumping off the roof and that's how you get an iphone for you know x99 instead of you know something more expensive it's fucking crazy unbelievable no i haven't seen that one that was a that one's new i mean that one we've been we've been watching the Ebola thing and, you know, how that has been, like, mismanaged from the start. I mean, when we were first reading about it on, like, when you guys were talking about, you know, Alex Jones, all the stuff, you know, the news from all around, you know, that they, that they, uh, you know, it's really easy to find on the, on the internet. And I was in New York for, uh, we, we were there doing something for the book and, and, um, for a week I was reading

the New York times and USA today, and they did not say one word about about ebola and 2 000 people had already died in in africa and it was like not a word in the in the mainstream press at least that week and it was like i'm looking for the news and it's like there's nothing there so you have to go digging uh into the internet you know yeah it's weird it's uh it's it's weird they just let people fly over from africa without testing i couldn't believe it. Come on over. Air France was still flying in and out. My wife and I are looking at each other going, what is going on?

Who's in charge here? I mean, the place should be like they should be. If they quarantined it back then, it would have just stayed there. But anyway. Yeah. I don't know how dangerous it is. I'm confused by doctors getting it. That's what gets me.

It's like, wait a minute. These guys are in fucking moon suits. How are they getting it? Like, doctors know what's contagious and what's not contagious, how to treat it, how to contain it. So if they're treating it, and these Doctors Without Borders like the guy who um uh tested positive in new york city this this guy knows he's he's aware and how is he getting it then that's the thing they don't know about what's going on and the thing is it's it evolves it's evolving that's what everybody's scared of right and it's like

well it's nature i mean what's the you know and the thing is they it you know it's like, well, it's nature. I mean, what's the, you know, and the thing is, you know, it's trying to find that the perfect thing between the viruses, between killing its host completely, because then what good is that? Because then there's no place to go. Right. So the disease wants to find that perfect level where it doesn't really kill everybody, but it has a place to live. So that's nature. That's us on Earth. That's what we're doing to the ocean. I mean, in a lot of ways, that's where we are.

I mean, didn't Bill Hicks call us a virus with shoes? Boy, that's right. That's it. In a lot of ways, it's really what happens all across the board in nature. You know, these predators and prey. And in a way, these viruses are sort of symbiotic predators they they eat us but not totally they want to just piggyback from one

to the other these little tiny animals man you can't see too just just small enough so you can't see it with with the naked eye but you know under a microscope you can see these little weird looking animals it's like yarn. Just ready to fuck us over. Yeah, a little yarn that kicks our ass. And then, you know, you talk about going out and, you know, dealing with bears. I mean, that's like, I mean, I can deal with that. You know what I mean? But it's really, there's a lot of voodoo going on there with these diseases and, they know and what they don't.

It's constantly changing. It's constantly changing. And that's the scariest thing about these diseases, that they can morph and they can spread into livestock. And what they're really terrified of is it spreads in bats in a lot of these African communities. And that's how a lot of people get it. But they're worried about it transferring into some other livestock.

One thing that a lot of folks aren't aware of is a lot of the diseases that we have when it comes to flus and all these different viruses that wind up killing thousands and thousands of people in this country, they're transmitted a lot of it through livestock. Avian flu, swine flu. It's because we have this gross way of storing animals where we make them live in their own shit and we pack them into these boxes. And it's just once it catches to one, I mean, it's spreading like wildfire. And there's so much part of the culture in other countries where they live with the animals. The animals are right there.

You know, with the, I mean, you go to the Far East and it's like, you know, the ducks are right there you know with the uh uh i mean you go to the far east and it's like you know the the ducks are hanging in the window dead but then there's the live ones swimming right in front of them you know and it's all part of the they're eating the eggs right there you know what i mean so it's it's all it's they live so close it's so easy for it to to to to get get spread or to evolve so that it will. I mean, boy, those humans look good. So that's part of the issue. But anyway, it seems like the whole thing there in Africa is like,

I don't know, I saw a headline a couple of nights ago where they actually thought, and I thought this about a while ago, that somebody had weaponized it and they were testing it. Because it's really unusual for it to happen so fast to so many people because it happens every year. They get a little Ebola, a little typhus, a little cholera, you know, and they keep it under control. That's why they think that they have a handle on it because they know how to, like, you know, isolate it. And it's seasonal, like the flu. But for some reason this year, the Ebola just blew out and it started in two countries that were separated by another country that didn't have any.

So it's like, how does that happen, you know, without some human intervention? Well, part of the human intervention could easily just be travel. The thing about what used to happen and what happens now is that anybody can fly anywhere in the world. There's not a single place in the world other than like the deep recesses of the Congo and the Amazon. It's truly isolated. Right.

And people can just fly places and so if someone catches ebola there's a 21 day incubation period so these people are going all over the place and then you know spreading it it's just any real disease that comes along today like the spanish flu did in the early 1900s right it's gonna kill a lot of people i did this show for sci-fi um and one of the things that one of the episodes we did was on weaponized uh viruses and diseases and the experts from russia and the experts for the united states were pretty much in agreement they said we're not worried nearly as much about human created diseases what we're worried about is nature we're worried about nature creating some new pandemic

that we do not know how to control and that it hits the population and just kills a few million people and they said it's not a matter of if but when and so they're just constantly on top of this we went to the center for disease control is that someone's phone oh is it can you not hear that i can hear it okay you put it up to your ear um we went to the center for disease control in uh galveston and it was creepy as fuck because they have these four foot thick stone walls with these giant thick glass windows that they look into and all this crazy ventilation system. And everybody's walking around these vacuum sealed suits and it's fucking terrifying. And they're all dealing with Ebola, these different hemorrhagic viruses that can kill you.

And they were all in agreement. They're like, we are not worried about something that a person creates. We're worried about nature mutating something and then we can't control it. That's what they're all worried about nature mutating something and then we can't control it that's what they're all worried about well well right now i'm worried that they that uh the tsa has just stepped up their their screening thing at five airports in america and they just started last week where they're taking your temperature oh christ um i'm not sure if it's five or whatever but it's the major airports they're starting to take people's temperature tsa it's fucking goofballs i mean come on

why don't just get burger king to do it i used to have a joke about that that like that they would people show up at the airport and they'd draw a hat oh man i'm working fries i got bomb control you know it's like there's the same amount of expertise involved in checking old ladies for bombs as it is for making a cheeseburger. They don't know what the fuck they're doing. Checking some old lady who can't even walk and you think she's a terrorist? We're taking these kids and, well, it comes up. Yeah.

You got to strip them, you know? Yeah, but I've seen that. There's some videos of them searching children. There's some old lady who literally couldn't walk, and they had to help her into that fucking stupid machine where you keep your hands up. This lady couldn't even walk, man. I mean, they wheeled her up to the machine,

and she's in obvious pain. She has to get up and stand, and she's shaking as she's trying to stand, and she is not faking. You see massive atrophy in her legs so she probably spends most of her time in a wheelchair she's severely compromised and they're checking her for like she's like she's wired up with a bomb like granny's gonna take out the fucking airplane yeah but you know it's uh it's sad but you know what somebody you know the next thing

you're gonna hear is somebody had that stupid wheelchair wheelchair wired up you know, the next thing you're going to hear is somebody had that stupid wheelchair wired up. You know what I mean? Who knows? Well, it's not that long ago you didn't have to take your shoes off. Right. That fucking dickwad tried to blow his shoes up. I think I didn't take off my shoes the last time. They're like, oh, keep your shoes on now.

Did you go through the TSA pre? You might have had a pre-check. No, I didn't have pre. I just had normal. But sometimes they give you pre. Oh. Like you don't even realize it they put they mark it on your like i've got pre before but i didn't even sign up for it they just for whatever reason i don't know it's so arbitrary it's like yeah it's goofy and i i can't make any sense of it and it's like i have an artificial knee so even going through the machine, which doesn't show my knee, which it should, you know, because I've looked at the screen, I still have to get stripped down.

You know, I have to still take my shoes off, take off the belt. We got to take all these chains off too, right? You got fucking bare teeth on and shit. What do you got there? Well, listen, these are from the last, not the last time the family went hunting. These are from one of the boars we got. Oh, those are teeth? Yeah.

Wow. I made one for each of the boys and me. Wow. And for Billy, because we all scored. Where'd you guys hunt? Down in Florida. There's a reserve down there where they, it's just, they basically, the guy doesn't even know what's on the land. It's just, you know, 10 square acres or miles cordoned off and you can go out and you can hunt.

Oh, and so you got a boar and then turned it into a necklace. Well, yeah. Did they let you on the plane with those? Did you fucking take over the plane with that thing? Yeah, but I'll tell you, I had a fake 223 that I bought at an Army-Navy store. It was empty, and they made me take it off in Brazil, of all places. I mean, I've flown all over the world. I mean, Japan, everywhere.

And one guy looked at it and said oh you can't you can't take that and it's just a you know i mean it was a real one but it didn't have anything in it i mean it was i mean because you can shake them and tell if there's anything in it right right and it was obviously a dummy what how did you get a fake knee um well i i fell off the stage let's see probably going on 30 years ago Billy when was it now at the end of a show it was in Dallas I think and I fell off the stage and had

basically tore a ligament and she was pregnant with Tony our first son so that makes it almost 29 years ago. And we were booked to go on a dive vacation the next day. And rather than go in and get it operated on,

so I could have been walking the next week, I said, well, we're not going to give up the deposit. We're going to go diving. They'll lift me into the water or whatever. Wow. And they tried it the first day, and it was the most agonizing pain I ever felt. Because for some reason, the water, like, separated the knee and all that stuff. So we couldn't do anything but lay on the beach for two weeks, which didn't suck.

But it wasn't the dive vacation we had envisioned because Billy couldn't dive because she was pregnant. And I couldn't dive because my knee was fucked. And then, so when I got back, I had it operated on and three operations later, they finally said, you got to have it replaced. So what was the exact damage? Well, abuse. I mean, it was a torn ligament, you know, really common sports injury. I mean, football guys get it and they're back playing the next week, you know, when it first happened. But it wore away, and then it wore away more, and then they had to put in a tendon from a cadaver, you know. Yeah, I've got two of those.

And, you know, so finally I put it off as long as I could, and then I just had to have the knee put in. So when they do an artificial knee, do they have to saw off the end of your bone and put this thing and screw it in place like they do with a hip? Apparently. Apparently. I was sleeping at the time as deeply as possible, I might add. But apparently, when I went to sleep, I saw the tools of the trade, and it looked like they were working on an old car. You know what i mean it's like they got saws and fucking you know screwdrivers and and they're talking about golf you know what i mean and they got a wall full full of parts because they need because everybody's needs different you know and they don't know once they get in there what they're

going to need so they have just about every part you can imagine that will fit you know on the wall so they they do it all the time that's all they do at this hospital is knee replacements hip replace whatever yeah and uh a lot of the sports guys go up there in boston and uh they uh um they that's what they do i guess they they cut off certain parts and nail the thing in there. And there's a couple of pieces of titanium in there as well as some like Teflon and other stuff. They have better ones now. I had mine done about, I don't know, five or six years ago. But the thing is, nine months later, it didn't get any better.

It kept staying swollen and i went in and had it tested and they said you got to go you got to be operated on the next day and we got to go in there and clean it out because it's on the verge of going septic which is so you had an infection i had the infection and and staff do you know what it was either staff or something it's one of the two that that they that people get all the time and they they think that it happened when i was getting the first one put in when i got the knee put in and my body fought it off as long as it could and and finally it just was on the verge of going you know what happens is it gets into your blood and gets you get blood poisoning and then

you can really get sick and then you then you're in the hospital for months yeah there's a huge issue huge issue with operations right well hey sick people go to hospitals man and it's they do everything they can do you know um to keep it clean but it's it's uh it is a big issue about that getting the infection so it's also a big issue because of antibiotics. Because antibiotics fight off these strains. Only the most virulent strains survive. And then they become antibiotic resistant. Right.

And that's where it gets really scary because people can get these MRSA, these medication resistant strains. And, you know, they're on the verge of death. And it's touch and go the whole way right they're pumping them full of medication they're in a hospital and they're still on the verge of death there's almost nothing they can do to fight off some of those when they when it gets bad it really gets a grip on you and again same thing like you were talking about earlier it's like it just it's a something that's feeding off of you it's like a virus that just gets a hold of you you know and you know you're the host now.

And you're wide open. I mean, the thing is laid open. It's like just here. It's picnic time. Yeah, scary stuff, scary stuff. So now when you walk around, you don't have a limp at all. Well, that's the good part about it. It's working well.

It doesn't hurt when I'm like 90% of the time. I have to, like if I'm on a a plane i have to move it like every 45 minutes or else it gets stiff then it'll hurt but i know they have a new generation that um in fact steven just got his replaced and his is a new a new a new one because the old one's bent one way and apparently your knee bends kind of two ways and now the new one's been the two ways and they're better and they're less i guess it's less invasive to the way they put it in and they're always getting making it better but uh it's still is he going to upgrade well uh my mother had one and uh she had to have hers replaced in 15 years. She was an athletic instructor, and she kept doing the aerobic stuff, you know, as she got older.

And she wore it out, and so she had to have it replaced. So I don't know. I'm going to have it. I'm due for like a 50,000-mile check, And they'll see, you know, because... You can't have Tyler walking around with an upgraded model. It's like, you know what I mean? Nothing's going to stop me. You never know the difference.

You got to keep up with the Joneses, man. You got to get one of them new ones. I'm fine with him doing all the dancing. He's great at it. And he can still dance with his new knee and everything? He does. He did all the therapy you know

like I said nothing's gonna stop him you know wow I mean it's built he's designed to do what he does it's great

it's just amazing that they can do that now I mean we got robot rock stars that's essentially what's going on right well yeah I mean you know

it's like kind of like what's that band Minuto that they used to keep changing once you hit 17 they'd throw them out and then they'd get a new one and so they got this band that's like it's like the hammer that got handed down from you know your great great great grandfather only they had to replace the head five times and the handle six times so it's the same hammer only it's been you know well that's what kiss is doing they they

you know they have a new peter chris and a new ace freely yeah they just make up these other dudes and like you're the you know you just you're the star child now like no yeah wait a minute where the fuck's paul stanley i know he's gone new star child i don't know if they can go that far but well paul says they could if anybody can do it they can because they got the makeup and all yeah the um yeah it's uh just menudo is a weird band too because have you ever eaten menudo no i know what it is no are they still i mean i heard about them in the you know years ago but are they still around i mean i know but i'm saying the food menudo no what is it there's a place called papusas in boulder colorado this fucking great mexican joint and they uh they have this dish called menudo and menudo is it's supposed to be a great hangover cure and it's like tripe and organs and and all

this beef stuff and it's in a spicy broth it's fucking fantastic it's got chickpeas in it and it's it's really good i mean if you were into that stuff nobody's spicy if nobody told you what it was you would probably love it yeah but you would be like digging in there and there's bones in it like what the fuck is this bone like a spine like a bar it's like all this weird stuff you know that they throw in there it's a classic mexican dish that they they serve like a post-hangover. Mexicans love their cervezas. This is what it looks like.

Is that from Papusa's website? Is that somewhere else? But it looks just like that. But a lot of that is tripe and organs and liver and those chickpeas in there. It's fucking fantastic. But that's menudo, foul looking elixir i wonder what they why they call the band that yeah it looks like witch's broth like some fucking something a witch would stir up in a cauldron oh man first time i had tripe was the last time i had um

we went out stomach i believe it's the stomach, the lining or whatever. Yeah. And the thing is, it's kind of like squid or calamari. It's got that same kind of consistency, only it doesn't chew. I mean, you can chew it, but it doesn't break into smaller pieces. You have to keep chewing it, you know? Yeah. At least the stuff we had, and it was really like, it chewing it you know yeah at least the stuff we had and it was really like

it was it was you know and the and the guy who turned us on to it was a promoter and we went out to dinner after a show and he was like you know you got to try this and you know and thank you but it was never again you know it's like uh sea urchin i can't stand sea urchin sushi you know what i mean it just doesn't agree with me you know weren't you didn't you have like plans on being some sort of a marine biologist or something at some point yeah i would tell the people this story because it's funny on twitter i found this rock my daughter found this rock on the beach in santa barbara and had all these holes in it and we're trying to figure out what the fuck it was was an asteroid or something i put on twitter i go

what's this rock joe fucking perry is the first guy to answer me on Twitter and tells me it's a sea stone. Like these animals had like burrowed into this stone and created little homes. Really? Well, um. That's you. You're the one who told me. Well, anyway. Yeah.

Listen, I love the ocean. And it captured me from the very beginning. I mean, I loved Jacques Cousteau and watching those specials, and I got to see him speak a couple times in Boston, and that's what I wanted to be. I wanted to be. I went to Woods Hole and visited there, I went to Woods Hole and, you know, visited there. And I thought that's what I wanted to do was be a marine biologist and, you know, and the whole learning disability thing, which they didn't know what to call it back then except a discipline thing.

You know what I mean? I wasn't studying hard enough. Well, I wanted to get good grades. I studied as hard as I could. I mean, I looked at the page, read it, nothing stuck. Dyslexia? I couldn't get grades. No, it's like ADHD, I guess they call it now.

And that's where they have different ways to teach kids now. And it doesn't involve, you know, like taking some pills. I mean, there's just different ways of teaching that that work and they just didn't have it back then don't you think they know what it was you know that that that's also probably what led you to be such a fucking awesome guitarist it's like there's something about people that can't accept traditional learning environments and then then every now and then, one of them becomes like an amazing video game designer, or one of them becomes an amazing guitarist, or an amazing artist.

But sitting in a classroom, or being forced into traditional sort of learning environments, sometimes doesn't work with people. But those same people have this uncanny ability to pick up musical instruments or art. It's almost like we're just not recognizing the broad spectrum of human development. Some people just are different. And so we want everybody to fit into this sort of box of how they learn or how they think or how they can benefit society, how they can fit into our culture.

Well, I think that that's what's happening. And in fact, the prep school that I went to, where my parents sent me to immerse me into that culture more to try and get me into college, it was just more of the same, same old school learning, which was, you know, sit there and memorize what you, it's the same, same thing. Now, I'm not, I don't know how they do it, but there are different ways to get kids so that they can, they can learn or at least motivate them so they can at least get, get through that,

whatever they have to get through. But on the other hand, you know, I mean, I don't know. I think my brain is wired different. I mean, just talking to different artists, you know, and looking at history and looking at painters and writers and, you know, sculptors and what motivates them and, you know, the issues they had, you know, growing up and that kind of thing and how they knew what they wanted to do from the start. I unfortunately didn't, you know.

But that drive, I think that if I had been allowed to get through that stereotypical, you know, way of learning, I probably could have thrived in that environment, being on one of those boats, going out the way the Sea Shepherds do or the way that the Woods Hole guys do or Ballard that goes out. I mean, for all we know, he was a dummy in school, you know what I mean? And managed to make his way through, you know? It's good that they fucked you over. Well, I mean...

Because then we have Joe Perry, the musician. The world would have been robbed. You've been out there catching fish and shit, and, you know, Aerosmith would have sounded so much different. It would have fucked up the whole world. It's like everything falls into its proper place. Listen, I read enough science fiction i mean i've been asked that a bunch you know to say what you know what would you be doing if you

didn't do that music or what you know whatever and you know i have to say you know that you know reading enough science fiction and all that shit about time travel you know that if you screw something up in the past, chances are, you know, the domino's going to fall and everything's going to, it's going to screw everything up. And I have to say that I've got a beautiful wife and four great kids and they're doing great. And I got this band and, you know, for what it's worth, you know, I mean, it has its ups and downs.

But, you know, I couldn't say if I could change anything, you know i mean it has its ups and downs and uh but uh you know i i couldn't say if i could change anything you know what i mean no but i did did go through some agony there as a kid you know wow but i think a lot of people can relate to that you know yeah well school's designed for the average person means designed to try to educate children as much as they can this idea that there's some sort of a grand conspiracy, I get really angry when people talk about grand conspiracies when it comes to education. I don't buy into it for a fucking second. I think the real issue when it comes to education is that it's financial for the most part. And it's a matter of respect for teachers.

And it's a matter of, I mean, what are the resources? Where's the money going how much resources do they have to work with every kid and trying to find each kid's individual needs it's very difficult when the guy like you is different from a guy like him or him or anybody in this room we're all different and some some people thrive under traditional environments for education and some people just fucking don't and i was one of the don'ts you know i'm not an idiot but i just for my brain i have to be interested in something in order to pursue it if i'm interested yeah then i have this crazy laser beam intensity and i'll i'll fucking binge on things until i pass out i'll i'll do things 12

13 hours a day but if i'm not interested i, I can stare at it, I can read it, and then I'll get through the test. But then once it's over, I don't remember a fucking thing I learned. Well, I couldn't get through the test, but I totally relate to what you're talking about. And I see it in my kids. My kids have this drive that when they have a goal, they go for it. And fortunately, they're able to deal with the traditional school thing.

But we homeschooled them. Billy took the Montessori model and brought them up that way. And then when it came time for them to have to do real learning, where you have to fill out all the things, all the forms. So you meet up with all the regulations. We brought a tutor on the bus and they were, you know, the bulk of it was done that way. And he worked with them and adapted what they needed, you know. and adapted what they needed, you know. And so, in a way, you know, they did learn most of their, get most of their schooling outside of the, you know,

the public school box thing, which is every year it gets cut down more and more. I mean, one thing, take music, for example. I mean, there are so many, I mean, there are no more music programs anymore. I mean, I do as much as I can to do fundraisers to give, so, you know, really to contribute instruments to schools so they can, so maybe they could recognize that somebody has talent and they should do that. You know what I mean? Instead of like just taking it completely out of the picture and letting them find their own way. It's tough.

Yeah, it's a tragedy that there's not more money and more time and more effort and more consideration invested in education and our culture. It's one of the least paid jobs that is the most important job. You find out the teachers are getting 35 45 000 a year i mean how the fuck do you live on that how does that as a human being you know have a family and a wife and kids on 35 000 45 000 a year it's crazy i mean you can get by if you're a single man by yourself or a single woman by yourself on that but if you if you're like really planning for a future and you're making really planning for a future and you're making that kind of money it's just no incentive for people that even have a love for

education to get involved in it it's really really tough i mean and that's it they have to be they have to be driven to want to be teachers and then that's a that's got to be a small percentage of i mean they can you don't have to be like, you know, totally driven like an artist to be a good teacher. You know what I mean? And it cuts out a whole lot of people that could be good teachers and they just don't want to go that way because they don't want to have to live like they're close to the poverty line, you know? It's also, it's just sad that they're not given as much respect. I mean, it should be an incredibly respected position. You're leaving your children with them.

I had a conversation with someone about this the other day that we talk about, like, you know, I'm there to raise my kids, and everybody raises your kids. It's not just you. Your kids are being raised by all the people they're going to school with. I mean, just because you're there when your kids go to sleep, when you're there when your kids wake up and you feed them breakfast your kids if they're in school they're being raised by other people as well they're experiencing a point of view in a perspective that's not individually or uniquely your own it's and so much of it is like because people have to have two jobs and both parents working, it turns out to be almost like a daycare thing.

You know what I mean? It's like people can't afford to have a nanny or whatever. And it's like the schools are used as a place to dump your kids off so you can go off run off to your job and i think that's uh again that's another side effect of the of the economy doing what it is and what it's doing it's it's uh it's working against everybody you know it's also a real symptom of our perspective it's a symptom of our perspective being so skewed that the things that are really and hugely important like i've talked about this before but it's it bears mentioning again that the most important thing if you want to have a strong country the most important thing is have less losers the more people that have educations

more people that are happy more people that are healthy that would make a stronger country right well well how come they don't invest more money in children? Why don't they invest more money? This government is constantly going overseas and fucking with this country and invading that country and ISIS and this shit and that shit. That's all well and good, but what about fucking children that are living right here in the places where people pay taxes? What about those children? They didn't ask to be born poor. They didn't ask to be born in some shitty town the the the fact that we don't invest more money in our infrastructure and just our our human infrastructure that just the children

growing up that are going to be the people that you're going to have to interact with that your kids are going to have to interact with there's a way to mitigate that at least to a certain extent there's a way to make a world a to a certain extent there's a way to make a world a little bit better and they're not doing anything about it they're cutting cutting money to education cutting after-school programs cutting athletics i mean the wrestling programs are under fire everywhere it's unbelievable it's crazy it blows my mind when I hear that stuff. I mean, what? You have no athletic? I mean, it's like, I mean, when I was growing up, I mean, all that stuff was available, even in a tiny town that I grew up in. I mean, it was, you know, I mean, it's just part of it, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, it's a very strange time. We live in a very strange time we live in a very strange time it's almost like we have a bunch of children that are that don't have a dad and uh you know they're lord of flying the whole country you know it's lord of the flies but it's like the the country is being run by people who are children it's like yeah they might be in their 50s yeah they you know but their their perspective is so fucking goofy it's like what's important and what's not important is just being elected fundraising you know being loyal to your political party and your

constituents but the the real issue of like social engineering in a sense of managing our communities in a more bountiful way managing our communities in a more making them more prosperous making people healthier and more educated it's not not under consideration at all they pay lip service to it when they give political speeches but the reality of being a president or a senator or a congressman is a fucking huge amount of your time is spent raising money they don't how can anybody how and i how can anybody learn to learn the ropes in four years that's what i want to you know what i mean it's like it's set up to to just to the dynamic is set up that way i mean you know and we know that they did it because we didn't want to have a king we didn't they were all afraid of having a king and all that. And they, you know, I think a lot of it was based on, you know, the rebellion and, you know, cutting our ties with England and not having that royalty thing and all that. But, you know, it just, the whole political thing, I mean, like when you go to Washington, do you feel a different vibe?

Like when you get, like when I go to Washington, D.C., and I go inside the Beltway, it's almost like I'm in a different world. I feel this different energy, this different vibe, a total disconnect from the rest of the country. It's like, it's really strange. It's the Death Star. It is. You're visiting the death star it's like i mean that's what that's what that is i mean i was just there i was just there last weekend it's the fucking death star that's where more political unrest more calculated

attacks on foreign soils it's all taking place in this one and then fucking political interests and special interest groups there's a county there's somewhere off of, away from Washington, D.C., in Virginia, where there's more money per capita in this one area than almost any area in the country. And it's just lobbyists. That's who live there. Just fucking political criminals that are just fucking up our entire system through the loopholes. That's it. And they're just sitting there making these decisions, pushing things that they don't really care about,

thinking about their families and making sure they're going to have enough money to hand down to their kids or whatever. Country clubs and fucking yachts. And the power that comes with that, which is a huge drug, and ego and all that stuff. And it just runs rampant there.

And they're the ones that are telling people in the Midwest how to live, how to do everything, as much as they can. And it's just getting worse and worse. But anyway, I think people should stand up. It's getting worse and worse, you know. I mean, but anyway, I think people should stand up and, Jesus, I mean, you know, even the voting thing I'm starting to think about, you know. I mean, I didn't vote, you know, in the 70s. I didn't really do much but, you know, work with the band to try and make it what it was and all that. But, you know, when I started, you know, thinking a little clearer,

I started voting, but now I'm starting to wonder about the whole thing. I mean, you know, there are people that say that, you know, hey, look, you're making a statement by not. But I don't know if that's true. Yeah, it's rigged where you're not doing anything if you don't. You're not doing anything if you do. It's a two-party system. And if you look at this two-party system how manipulated it is if you look at the commission for presidential

debates you look at how this this this group has set it up so that the people that are allowed to debate like when it gets down to it it's you have to have a a percentage of the popular vote you know in these people that are mainstream folks like obama and mccain and they're going to be able to debate they're going to be able to be but the the weirdos you know the green parties and the people with like strange ideas that are what what's considered non-traditional they don't get a say and that that's that's kind of fucked up i mean if we're if we're gonna have like a real even society where all sorts of different ideas get considered we can't say that this thing's perfect the way this thing is right now it's not perfect every everybody will

admit it even from the top to the bottom they'll admit it's not perfect there's a lot of problems with with our culture and our the way we run things but they don't take into consideration other people's ideas they just they won't allow them because ross perot fucked all that shit up ross perot came in and he i believe he only had i mean you only had to have like five percent of the vote in of uh in the uh the primaries in order to be considered uh to for these presidential elections. So you've got this crazy billionaire who, if you remember the Ross Perot days. Yeah, yeah, sure. That's the reason why George Bush's dad, Herbert Walker Bush, the big guy,

that's why he didn't win a second term. Ross Perot came in, stole a bunch of the votes, and Clinton snuck in. Yeah, I mean, it's just the whole mechanics of the whole thing. It's almost like we're standing on the outside watching this thing happen inside of us. This giant fishbowl, but it all radiates out to fuck us all up, you know? It's also how do you stop the momentum of this gigantic machine and reorganize the whole thing in a way that everybody agrees to, especially everybody who has already been profiting for so long off of the current situation. And you're dealing with corporations that have a massive amount of influence,

and you would have to somehow or another strip away the rights that the Supreme Court's given them to give as much fucking money as they want to candidates and to act as individuals that it's crazy it's crazy so to stop that like boy you're dealing you got a runaway train and you're asking someone to stand in front of it and put their hands up and try to stop that fucking thing it's like i don't think it's a perfect situation i think for sure someone could do a way better job of engineering our society and how we run, how we establish laws, how we take away, take taxes and, you know, relegate them to the areas of society that we deem necessary, whether it's law enforcement or, you know, fire protection or whatever it is that we need money for from taxes.

To do that in a more ethical way, in a way that's more mutually beneficial I think it's possible but it's you would have to stop this fucking massive machine with so much momentum behind and that's the real difficulty and I think that the the people that could do the job the people that are really smart and and no no the guts of the politics and playing the game. They're smart enough to value their own lives more, and they go, I just don't want to play that, so I'm handing in my autobiography. I'll see you later.

You know, I'm going to just take, you know. Your public speaking tour. We've seen candidates that look good all down the line, but they just didn't have the bones in Yale and all that stuff or whatever. Yeah, there's that. All that stuff, all that, the credentials, so to speak, that you got to have to get there or enough of the lobbyists behind them that they know they can be bought and sold, you know, whatever. And so it's just, it is a big machine and it's running by itself. And that's why I feel that. It's just vibe, you know.

There's so much money and so much power going on inside that beltway. It's like, I don't know. It's creepy. I can't relate to that. You know what I mean? It is. It is. It is. Wellway it's like i don't know it's creepy i can't relate to that you know what i mean it is it is it is well it's weird too that the haves and have-nots in dc are so apparent because dc is bordering i mean there's there's all this money and there's always white people but then there's this impoverished black community that's outside of it that elected fucking marion barry twice as mayor

they elected him as mayor after he got arrested for smoking crack they elected him again i mean that's it's a fucking wild town it's a wild town on the outskirts of the death star oh yeah i mean you walk walk down that street in georgetown, the main drag there. And I don't feel safe there day or night. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, one time we had been there and there had just been a huge shooting right there in the Starbucks. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It's just like, you know, it's just crazy. Wasn't it the murder capital of the country at one point? Yeah, I think it was i mean uh they were they were you know they were they were in competition with detroit and yeah whatever i don't know somewhere else like the super bowl bounces around from city to city you know it was like uh you know selling more glocks per per people per person than any other place in the world you know unbelievable yeah it's very strange. Very strange.

But it's also, it's almost a perfect representation of our country itself. Yeah. How fucking weird our country itself is. So let's talk about that thing you got in your front there. The werewolf? Yeah, the werewolf. That is so cool.

I mean, it's like, I could see something like that leaping out of the woods i really i mean i mean i'm until i till somebody could prove it prove it different i believe that that some of those animals are out there i mean uh and so i mean it's just it's the right size you know what i mean the right weight and all that it's just a matter of if it can find enough food you know well there's tigers tigers are a lot fucking scarier than a werewolf, because a tiger is a tiger 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Right.

A werewolf only becomes a murdering machine when the full moon is out. Right. Right. But that one, that's a, hey, that's what it would look like. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, that could really be an animal. For sure that could be an animal.

I mean, it's not much different than a wolf. I mean, it's just a little. Just a lot bigger. Yeah. Yeah, if an animal... If you really want to think about it, there's a lot of animals that people get fixated on. Like vampires.

People are terrified of vampires. Vampires are scary, but how's a vampire any more scary than Ebola? Ebola is easily as scary as a fucking vampire. You know, a vampire, you drive a stake through its heart and you're done. It's good. You know, werewolf, you shoot it with a silver bullet, you're out of there.

Yeah. Lone Ranger had the right idea. He did have the right idea. He'd always leave the heroine or the hero with the, I don't know who his name was but he left me the silver bullet you know yeah maybe the Lone Ranger was a werewolf hunter

why haven't they made that movie Lone Ranger the werewolf hunter I like that that seems like a perfect that seems like

a perfect connection there I like that but that thing was made by this guy named Pat McGee who's a special effects designer he does movies

and all sorts of shit and it's the model of the American werewolf in London real hair on it and everything some kind of hair I wonder if it's I think it's yak model of the American werewolf in London. Real hair on it and everything. Some kind of hair.

I don't know. I wonder if it's, I think it's yak hair or some shit. Wow. He told us, I forgot. Trifling. ADD.

That's amazing. What does that have to do with trifling? That's disgusting having yak, dead yak hair on. Why? I don't know.

It's gross. Well, if you're gonna, I don't think they can make fake hair that looks anything like real hair. That's why toupees look like shit. You ever been with a girl

that has fake hair and extensions? Yeah, extensions. I's why toupees look like shit. You ever been with a girl that has fake hair? Extensions? Yeah, extensions. I think that's just disgusting to think, like, whose hair that is. Is that person alive? Live is outsourced, just like we were talking about jobs. A lot of it's from India. Yeah, I guess they grow it, and it has to be a certain length,

and then they can cut it off. Outsourced. We were watching Frozen. My daughter loves that movie, Frozen. And she can read now, so she likes to wait for the credits and then read people's names. And they're all Indian names. Really? The people who made the movie, it's because they just fucking outsource all the animation.

So all of it was India. Like, there are all these Nangpong Chalab're all these you know like all these crazy names that you have really hard time pronouncing wow well yeah hey they get it done i mean i know that you know like a lot of the cartoons they do they um uh you know they they do like the cornerstone pictures of what you know what the cartoon is going to, and then they send it off to Korea or wherever, and that's where they actually do the frame-by-frame cartoon stuff. I don't know how they did it. I mean, that was when we were on The Simpsons. I don't know what they do now,

because computers have come so much farther. The animation is a lot easier to do. But back then, it was like, you know, when we found out how they did it, it was kind of like, really? You know, I mean, it isn't like the old days when, you know, you had a bunch of crazies down there on the lot at Disney who actually were drawing the stuff. You know, they had political stuff that related to the country. I mean, it was really, you looked at some of those old cartoons and they're great because they're saying so much in there,

you know, and because it was guys that lived right down the street, you know, that actually did the work instead of, you know, somebody off, and if they go off the line

or out of the thing, it just gets tossed out and, you know, it's a whole different thing. But that's why some of those old cartoons are so cool to watch. I mean, some of them aren't exactly politically correct. Some of them are pretty fucked. But some of the other things that are in there are pretty.

I mean, they're allusions to Mary Jane and the different drugs and shit. It's pretty funny it is and it's interesting that you're still allowed to watch those but they could never make those today like Tom and Jerry like Tom and Jerry would beat the fuck out of each other

you could never have that today Tom and Jerry would hit each other with fucking frying pans and their head would form in the shape of a frying pan, and then they would... You can't do that with kids today. You can't have... Because then some kid hits his fucking brother in the head with a frying pan, because he thinks it's going to turn into the shape of a pan and kills his brother. And then they sue his Warner Brothers, and the next thing you know...

It's a class action suit. But you're allowed to show the old ones. It's weird. Yeah. I read a science fiction book a while ago, and it was all about this. I can't remember what the plot was, but the thing was the guy's job was actually going through old movies and taking out the cigarette smoking. Of all the, you know, whether it was tv shows or movies i mean his gig was to to make it look like they weren't smoking you know and you know if you had to cut a couple scenes out he would do that but mostly it was like uh like airbrushing or whatever what you know

they they do and and taking cigarettes smoking out of the movies you know uh anyway it was something that was uh just a little part of the feature of the of the book but it kind of stuck with me you know that that kind of thing about it's kind of like what i call russian history you know it's like yeah you know when somebody new comes into power they change the history books you know in russia you know it's like they they totally rewrite everything you know well when you go to disneyland a big percentage of the photos of walt disney have the cigarettes airbrushed out of them they have photoshopped out all of his cigarettes right because walt disney everywhere he went tom and jerry cartoons carry racism on it oh yeah i tweeted this the other day yeah yeah yeah it's for they're making them put fucking warnings on Tom and Jerry.

What was racist about Tom and Jerry? I don't remember. Remember his, the woman that would walk around, it was like the maid or she's like,

oh, Tom! You know, it's like. Oh, that's right. Is it racist if that person actually exists? If you could show

a person like that, is it racist? Like, how about this? If you show a fucking toothless old cracker from Kentucky, is it racist like how about this if you show a fucking toothless old cracker from uh from kentucky is that racist because that's a real dude like there's a lot of dudes if you go to west virginia okay or you go into the mountains you'll find some fucking rednecky

motherfuckers and they're real people and if you put them in a cartoon would that be racist no because look at honey boo boo right so if you have some aunt jemima looking old fat black lady if i could show you a real version of that is that racist or is it racial or is it representative of a small percentage of people who happen to be african-american how's that racist i don't know but there's also points in like tom and jerry where like you know like a cigar blows up or and he has black pussies. But there's also points in Tom and Jerry where a cigar blows up and he has blackface type things. There's a bunch of weird little things that as a kid growing up we were just like, that's hilarious. He's blackface.

But does it make it blackface or does he just have soot on his face? I don't know. I don't think it makes it blackface. But that's where somebody's going to go, get rid of that, you know? Well, the photos of Walt Disney are real weird. I've got a few of them on my Instagram the last time I was there. Because you see him sitting there like this. Like he would have, you know, his fingers are in a position where he would have a cigarette in his hand.

The Chesterfield King. But the cigarette's missing. Because apparently he was just a chain smoker and died of complications because of lung disease. Wow. And that's what he died from. But they tried to hide that, too. They tried to doctor up his... But they sort of freely admit it now.

We went on a tour. Like, last time we were at Disneyland, and one of the people that really understands, like, the history of Disney. It was pretty fascinating. Took us and showed us all the images and explained to us. Did they ever show you the supposed to be a really fancy restaurant, like down underneath for guests and for VIPs? And it's behind one of the doors in one of the fake streets. Really? uh, streets. Uh, really? You can go down and you walk down and apparently it's like, like everything's Tiffany lamps from the,

from the twenties and, and all that kind of stuff. And it's supposed to be like gourmet. Yeah. Restaurant. I've never been in there. I just heard stories. Uh,

what's the ride where you can go through and then you can eat inside the ride. Oh, it's small world or pirates of the Caribbean, but it's, uh, overlook the, that, that restaurant's overlooking that restaurant. So if you're sitting in there, you'll see this house. That's actually the restaurant he's talking about.

What's it called? I forget. It's like Walt's. You have to have a secret password or something like that to get in. How weird. There's so many hidden secrets of Disneyland that I didn't know. If you go to the haunted house, and if you ask for a death certificate,

at the end of the ride, they'll give you a death certificate. Or all the people sweeping up that walk around, they all carry these pins, these collectible pins, and they'll give them to you if you ask. There's like a million things. But Joe, check this out. It's called Club 33, and it's Disneyland's secret $25,000 dining club.

Wow. $25,000 for what is it? It's like for a membership? What the fuck is the 25 grand for? I didn't even know that you could get in there unless you knew somebody. The main menu is full of upscale options. Among them, a king crab stuffed lobster tail, pan-roasted filet mignon, There's menudo in there. It says, listen to this.

Applicants can be on hold for about 14 years just for the chance to pay the $25,000 initiation fee with an additional $10,000 annual membership fee. Applicants must also pass a rigorous background check. Well, good luck with that. I'm out. Wow. I didn't make the cut. A rigorous background check.

Boy, does that mean- What does that mean? You have to be white? Would you pay- That's a start. I mean, that's probably at the top of the list. Wow, this is fascinating. So it's called Club 33.

See, this would be cool. Well, people would lie. I was saying it would be cool if we could take phone calls and someone who's a member of Club 33 call us. There's at least eating there. We'd have to get, yeah. But anyway, I'd never been there. I mean, we didn't even get on Saturday Night Live in the 70s.

Why's that? I'm not sure. I just never, you know, it's one of those things I look back and I go, wait a second, they had all kinds of rock bands on there. And we never were asked or allowed or we might have been asked and our management might have like said, no're making too much money tonight and at rfk stadium or um we were also considered uh uh very uh um like loose cannons shoot you know as far as like reliability uh you might we're not we weren't the band that you invited home to dinner yeah you guys were too wild and uh that's i think that was one of the band that you invited home to dinner. Yeah. Let's put it that way. You guys were too wild. And I think that was one of the reasons that our management didn't let us go to Europe that often. I think they were afraid that we would get caught at the border, that kind of thing, which was stupid because, I mean, we weren't that out of control you know I think that they just they we just were making too much money here and it was wasn't a bother to go out you know and go to England and Europe and and build build a following there because the few times we

went I mean it was it was definitely good it was great and we wanted to go I mean bands were playing everywhere they were going to Australia Japan we went to Japan twice and we went to Europe twice, and that was it. And there were other bands that were just, it was like they would go around the world. I mean, certainly they didn't go to South America the way they do now, but they just kind of kept us kind of here, almost that Elvis thing. Yeah. I mean, we would ask, and then they would say,

well, maybe next year and whatever, and time to do another album, and we would do it. The whole world is more, there's so many more options now for bands to travel than there ever were before, right? Because the internet, because people find out about you everywhere now. You have a song that people like. And also people find out about bands from older generations.

They find out about them now, and they become more popular because of the internet as well, right? Oh, yeah. It's definitely opened up. I think there are a lot of advantages to the way things are now for the artists and for the fans. As far as the art moving from one place to the other, from one set of headphones to the next, but certainly not getting paid. Yeah, that's different, right?

As far as the royalties. What do you think about digital music? What's your take on this whole when Napster came along and now with all the bit torrenting and everything? Well, I was a fan first, so when Napster came on, I was like, I loved it because just to name one reason, I mean, my kids would ask me, hey, Dad, what are some of the other cool songs from back in the day? I mean, they knew about Led Zeppelin and the Stones and all that stuff,

but there were a lot, a lot of cool bands from then, and you could go on Napster and find them. You didn't have to go to, you know, Skippy White's record store and order those kind of things, you know what I mean? But, you know, at the same time, I would say, hey, listen, you know, you're getting this for free, and basically it's wrong. And, you know, that's part of your inheritance that you're losing right now by us doing this, you know. And, you know, so they would make an effort to, like, if it was a newer record, they would always go out and buy it, you know.

You know, so I taught them about, you know, you know or uh you know so i taught him about you know what was going on and uh the i can remember talking to to donnie iron billy and i my wife and i went to down to meet with him about um putting out one of my solo records and we we were talking to him was right around when napster was happening and we said what, what's going on with that? It's killing us. It's like, you know, and it's coming, you know, like a freight train. And he said, oh, no, it's going to go away. It's not a big deal. This is the president of the record company.

And he's saying, everything's going to be fine. You know, we have this lawsuit with the RIAA. They're going to shut these people down and everything will be fine. Six months later, Donnie Anner is not president of the RIAA. They're going to shut these people down and everything will be fine. Six months later, Donnie Anner is not president of the label anymore. You know, Napster is spread out and they were figuring, starting to figure out ways to get people paid, but it was, the horse was out of the barn and it was gone. And, you know, they should have just picked up on it right away and made a deal. And it could have been so much better and so different.

But at that point, they were living so high on the hog or off the hog. What is it? I don't know what the expression is. Okay. And they were, I mean, there was so much money being made the way that they were doing things. They didn't think anything could go wrong. It was that old thing where the businessmen actually thought they were more important than the artists. And that was true from managers to agents to the record companies.

Did you see the piece that Courtney Love wrote about that? No. Courtney Love wrote this piece. A lot of people think she's too dumb to have actually written it. Somebody ghost wrote it. But those people are rude. I don't know. How dare they?

The fuck do you know how smart? You ever sit down with... I never sat down with Courtney Love either. Maybe she is smart. But the piece essentially detailed how artists get screwed over by record companies. And that's one of the reasons why their model collapsed is because of greed. and that that's one of the reasons why their model collapsed is because of greed, and that these record companies, they would spend a lot of money and give this artist a big record signing fee or recording fee,

and then everything would come out of that, like the amount that they would spend on promotion, what it cost to tour. Everything came out of that, and then the artist got paid after all that and then only paid a small percentage right of the actual profit yeah I mean it's been set up you know basically for the for the businessmen who I mean hey they went to college and got trained trained to do that think of things like that and artists don't think like that you know i mean there's some of us some of them you know you know figured it out early some of us figured out later but it you

know those standard agreements were always like you know lopsided for the to benefit the record company and even in the in the mtv days i mean we had we had to pay for the making of the videos. MTV got free programming. All those million-dollar videos or the Michael Jackson $25 million videos, he would pay for that. And then MTV would get it. And there's the argument that it can make it a bigger record. It can make it a hit. I mean, if it's make it make it a hit you know i mean if if

it's good enough and it gets heard but you know the bottom line is the band's paying for it it's coming out of their pocket it should have at least been 50 50. i mean yeah well the bands are the what they're selling if it's not for the band there is no label there's no record company without the band you don't sell shit what you sell is other people's artwork that's it right you're not selling pots and pans and fucking coffee machines you're selling music the music is created by the artist the fact that it's not a 50 50 split is fucking ridiculous and even 50 50 is generous because that's if it's not for the artist there is no record label. You don't sell anything.

And it should change. If there is some success, it should change to benefit the artist, to keep the artist going. What's just representative of business greed? It's just been that way since Alan Lomax. God bless him for doing it, for recording Robert Johnson, paying him $10 to sing in the can.

You know, like they say in Old Brother. There's a guy up in Yazoo City that'll pay you $10 to sing in the can. You know, I'm not telling tales out of school, but, you know, anyway, it's a great, great scene because it's really typical of how it was. What's that scene from? From the movie Old Brother. Oh, Old Brother, Where Art Thou? Yeah, and they went in and they pretended, and the guy in there was blind, and they pretended that one of their guitar player couldn't speak, so they got an extra $10 because they said, you know, he couldn't,

well, Feist is here, he can't hear, he can't speak or whatever. He had to be able to hear to play guitar, but he couldn't speak. So, uh, he can't, you know, and so the blind guy just paid him, there was four of them, I think, paid him 50, 50 bucks singing the can, you know, but it's been like that ever since, you know, they've always, I mean, the artists have always, you know, they're usually starving. And by the time they, you know, get anything, you'll, I remember there was, when we had an eviction notice in one hand and a management agreement in the other, do you think we were going to go to a lawyer at that point and say, well, what do you think? Okay, well, let's go in and argue with this guy over this or that or whatever. And it's like, that's just, I mean, what do you think? Okay, well, let's go in and argue with this guy over this or that or whatever. And it's like, that's just, I mean, the industry is rife with that. I don't think there's an artist out there

that doesn't have some kind of story like that. But, you know, it's a lot of it has, you know, fortunately, we can at least reap the rewards of what we're doing. I mean, back in the day, like Van Gogh, a guy died penniless, you know, of syphilis in some hut burning down, you know, because nobody knew who he was

or how good he was, you know. Well, even Nikola Tesla. I mean, he died broke, too. He died broke in an apartment. The government came in and took away all his papers and all of his inventions. He died with no money at all. It's what happens when you get someone who's strictly business-minded and not creative,

and they deal with impulsive artists who are very creative but often very not business-minded. And they pray off of it. That's it. It's pimps and hookers. I mean, it's just someone taking advantage of someone else's inadequacies in certain areas. And artists almost universally suck with business. And when they get really business oriented, they start sucking with their art. And that's one thing that happens to a lot of artists that get super greedy.

And all they care about is, I'm going to put together an album that's going to sell a fucking billion records. And I'm going to calculate it and make it very poppy and make it perfect where you know you're just fucking babysitting money and they start thinking about how to make this thing really connect with the young kids today right and they they create some sort of a fucking frankenstein's monster right then the art sucks but well it's funny because that you know that song frankenstein by uh ed Winner, that's actually what they did is they took bits and pieces. They jammed and they took bits and pieces of the jam because they're all brilliant musicians. And they cut it up and they turned it into an instrumental, three and a half minutes long, the perfect length for first single three minutes or whatever and that's that turned out to be a huge

hit I mean now it's a huge hit and apparently the bass player took it one step further and went and analyzed like the top ten songs for like three months and you know count of the beats per minute what key it was in how how off how quick the the chorus came you know after the song started how quick the you know what the what the lyrics were about i mean analyzed like 10 or 15 different parameters and then wrote a song based on that and it was a huge hit i don't know which which song it was but it worked and i'm sure there are guys sitting around writing programs now to just to do just that you know and uh to to figure that out you know because uh so much of the music does sound like it came out of a was spit out of

a computer well you can tell the difference though from a song that's written from an individual's perspective and a music a song that's written that's just sort of someone's trying to sell it. Someone's just writing a pop piece. They're just creating something that they know this is going to be profitable. It's not a representative of their thoughts, their feelings. That's why when someone does create something

that really has some emotion behind it, oftentimes when a band is really young, especially, they create their best work because they're hungry and because everything is coming from a real place and they haven't figured out how to be calculated yet. Right. There's no doubt. I mean, the only thing that we use for a parameter, and I mean, Stephen really wanted, which was good because he, you know, we really didn't know anything about like how, where it could go in a year. So he had been in the business for a couple of years.

But for us, I mean, the only thing that we would think about is how the song is going to go down when we play it live. How can we make it exciting enough? Because we would always think about us sitting in the audience because we were fans. I mean, we would go to see the bands and figure out what got us off about it and try and figure out what is it. Is it the beat? Is it the whatever it is? and try and figure out what is it. Is it the beat? Is it the whatever it is, you know? But it was on a much more subconscious level. I mean, it was all about feeling, you know, and it kind of helped steer us towards,

because I knew that there was something we could do to put a different slant on what had already been done. You know, I always had that feeling about, you know, the songs that we wrote. But the main thing was, like, getting an audience off live, because that's the only place you could do it. Yeah. I mean, you didn't have any other outlet, you know, unless you were lucky enough to get a song on the radio, which was nice, you know. And Stephen always, like, wanted to kind of push things that

way so it really we made a good a good team like that because you know i'd be the anarchist you know i don't care if we're playing in tune you know i just want to get out there and excite the audience and he's thinking about well you know the melody and the chorus and and it was a it was a really good it is a good hookup when we get together, you know. But do you guys argue about things creatively? About, like, what kinds of songs you guys create? Yeah, that's where we meet head-to-head, you know, and butt heads.

But that, I think, is part of the creative process when you're working with, you know, working with five guys, you know, especially two A-type personalities creative process when you're working with a you know working with five guys you know especially two a a type personalities that you know go head to head you know um and i think that's been the value of the putting up with it all and uh so anyway that's that's the uh but then again there isn't a lot of room in there to think about the business. You know what I mean? And I mean, he was definitely more cognizant of like what it meant to have your name under the songs.

I just looked at the name under the songs like who really was responsible so I could get the real one because I knew that like, look at the first two Stones records. They were mostly covers of like Willieie dixon songs or uh you know chuck berry and all that and you know they were they were you know they were exploring their roots you know and they made no bones about it you know yeah so uh but again it's about um you're so consumed with with with trying to figure out how to make it work you're not you're not thinking about you know well how can i get work, you're not thinking about, you know,

well, how can I get another point here? How can I get another, you know, another $25,000 off of this advance and that kind of thing? It's like, like I said, it's kind of stacked against the artists. I really think that real artists, they're wired different than businessmen.

100%. 100%. I mean, and so what's the story with you? You got both. I mean, you seem to be doing okay. And you're really creative and really like, you know. But I don't think about money. I don't think about like do this for money, do that. I just think what do I want to do?

You know, like there's a lot of things that I've done that I probably should have never done. You know, like the only thing i did for money was fear factor definitely did that for money but i didn't think it was gonna work i thought i was doing it for fun like when i first started doing it i was like they're gonna sick dogs on people and make them eat animal dicks how long is this fucking thing gonna be on tv i'm like this is just gonna be a like a four or five episode catastrophe that I'm going to have some great jokes about then it wound up doing 148 episodes and then

another run later six or seven episodes we did the second time around I'm like I couldn't believe it every day I would show up I'd be like really we're still doing this alright here we go I couldn't believe it was successful if it was one I don't think anything I've ever done was a mistake but

if there's one thing that i did that i didn't enjoy that much it was that but it was a shit load of money i was like i couldn't but the good thing about having money is then i didn't have to worry about money at all and everything i did like when i was working for the ufc and all the other different things that i've done were for a comedian to be a cage fighting commentator probably not the best idea you know like for your career like most people would say like that's a terrible thing to be connected to you're connecting laughing and joking with horrible bloody violence right but i just did what i wanted to do i just i i this is something that was interested in so i wound up doing it so that makes a lot of sense. My success has been in spite of myself. Yeah, well, you still followed your art,

and the ideas and doing it, I mean, I can relate to that, because I feel the same way about the Run DMC thing, because it wasn't anything we planned. It wasn't anything that we, well, if we go down the road, we'll do a video, it'll come come out and it's gonna like do this the black and white's gonna do this and join together and all that wasn't anything like that it just sounded like fun to work with this new form of of blues really right and uh and it just one thing led to the next, and it was fun. It was the original mashup. Yeah, and it was like, holy shit, man,

we really did something here, but it was after the fact. I'd like to take credit for thinking of it, and thinking of the long-term effect of it, but it was really about just the love of playing it, and meeting some new musicians that were doing something new and the whole thing so you know that was a fan that wasn't as big as 140 shows you know on the factor but you know it was bigger because

it was actually good it was when you guys did that though that music video was so important too because it was combined the two styles together and it was funny you know the video was funny and the song was fucking fantastic because it was based on a classic song a classic Aerosmith song that everybody already loved and then you added this run DMC element to it with a different kind of music and I fucking loved that song that was a fantastic combining and I think it made fans out of people who were initially fans of both genres people who are rap fans became aerosmith fans people who are aerosmith fans became run dmc fans yeah it was interesting i think we got like literally literally

two letters from fans that said what are you doing wreck you know wrecking your hard rock thing? You know what I mean? And I think the guys at Run DMC were, they were kind of, they really didn't want to do it. It was Rick Rubin that kind of said, come on, guys, let's just try it. Because they knew they were doing something new, and they were having great success doing what they were doing on their own. So it was kind of like rick just said well let's just try it and because we didn't know if it was going to go on the album he just said and he told us that and you know again we just looked at it like hey they're flying us to new york we'll have a great

time we'll hang out meet these guys it'll be fun and uh and then in fact, Billy, we needed some girls so it would look like a rock rehearsal studio where there would be girls. And Stephen had his wife and I had my wife. And they're sitting in the background so you can see them. And Billy's pregnant with Tony. How rock and roll. Pregnant chicks in a recording studio. Anyway, it was, you know. So rock and roll. Pregnant chicks in a recording studio. Anyway, it was... So Tony was there.

But it was one of those things. We just did it for the spur of the moment. That's why it was so awesome. It was fun. It turned out to be a good thing. How do record companies make money now? Because it seems like nobody's bombing not very well we talked about it the other day that this is going to be one of the first years ever

where no bands go platinum interesting it's crazy because it's like uh you look at the numbers and it's amazing it's appalling or astounding or i don't know whatever you want to call it it's like a shift it i mean the people that get dropped from the companies and the the you know the different companies that still you know that kind of like uh you know there used to be all these these offshoot labels and stuff and all those are gone and so many people that i know that that really had had a good heart for the music where they're in it the music, have been, you know, been fired, and they just don't do the kind of business they used to do. I mean, we've really lived through an amazing age, you know, to see some amazing bands,

you know, come up, and at least for rock and roll, and, you know, I really believe we're at the end of an era, you know, because it's just the record industry that, you know, did arguably drive a lot of the artists, especially the early days when they would give artists enough money so that even if their first record wasn't that good, like us, that we had enough money, we could support ourselves to do another record. It was like, you know, they were kind of nurturing us, like us, that we had enough money we could support ourselves to do another record. It was like, you know, they were kind of nurturing us, you know, and there was a lot of that in those days because they had the money to do it. And even though we ended up paying for it

out of our royalties, it helped us get to be a better band and made us into the into you know what we are uh and those days are over you know now it's like bands practically have to pay to to uh to play clubs to to uh i mean they go on what's that that business thing that did uh i guess you you uh say i'll give you a record and a t-shirt if you send ten dollars i mean to start a business starters you know something like that and you know so that's the record industry now you know and it's it's like disappearing and it's nothing's really replacing it so i mean in the in the in the sense that we knew it you know what i mean it's always there's always going to be some vehicle for the artists to get their music to the fans and that will never change i mean it's always there's always going to be some vehicle for the artists to get

their music to the fans and that will never change i mean the excitement of going to a live show just like going to a hockey game that's that there's nothing that can beat going to a hockey game you know you can watch it on tv all day you'll never get the same rush as five minutes watching watching the bruins go for it you know so I think that there will always be that live thing if it's gonna I don't know if it's gonna be the kind of music that we like but it's always gonna be there but as far as is getting the music you know other than that I mean it's it's it's getting to be more and more like air because now it used to be you know you even if i did like i

like i just played on the johnny winter record uh before he passed away which is a i mean it he was a big influence on me you know at the at the start and and i still go and listen to his records you know for inspiration and uh he asked me to play on his record and they sent the uh the uh software for the for the for the record and i just played it in the studio and he was in new york i was in l in la and i and then they sent it back to them and they mixed it it sounds like i was in the studio with them you know and now they don't even have to send the software. They just send it over the internet. I mean, so it's really just air. It's like nothing.

But it's just an idea almost. That's why it's so interesting. Like this last week, a couple of people have given me vinyl again. People are putting out vinyl. I mean, like a 45 with four songs on it, or like a whole album of vinyl, because they know that the few people that are actually going to sit down and listen would rather hear it on vinyl, or they're hoping they will, than off something like this, because it just doesn't sound as good off of that. Don't you think that there's some sort of a blowback thing that's going on with all sorts of aspects of our culture like we were talking earlier about

farmers markets like that's becoming like really popular to like buy food directly from the people that grow it i go to this farmer's market in malibu sometimes and it's amazing man you go there you meet the farmers the people that are actually growing the food and it feels good there's something about it and then local restaurants like people are getting tired of going to these big factory fucking chains and people are supporting like local coffee shops and coffee growers and like there's this thing that's going on like people are buying vinyl now and people are they like to go see live music again it's like not that it ever went away but it's like it's becoming more where people

understand that there's something missing in this corporate created plastic world that we've sort of been forced into dealing with and then the blowback is people like one of the things i love about places like seattle like you go to seattle it's it's hard to find the chain restaurant there it's hard everything is like these individual restaurants and great it's great to find the chain restaurant there. It's hard. Everything is like these individual restaurants. It's great. It's great. I only hope that it happens fast enough. You know what I mean?

Because it's going to happen however it's going to happen. I wish it would all of a sudden just sweep across the country and it would be great. But it's going to happen as it happens. And it's one of the things i love about vermont i mean yeah you go up and down the street and and the the the people that are that are farmers are you know they'll actually barter you know they'll go to the farmer's market and they'll they'll trade off you know what they're there's they're growing or whatever with somebody else who's growing something else. And it's like it really benefits everybody. It's great.

I love that. And it's exactly like what you're talking about, going to the farmer's market here. So it's great to hear that. Yeah, I really do think that there's some sort of a pushback. But until they can figure out how to make a record, like vinyl, make that sound on your iPhonehone like can they do that is that ever going to be possible well they keep talking about it but i you know um there's

there's supposedly a new a new um they call it modeling you know they actually like the software models a guitar so they go in and they measure everything about the sound of this room without any noise in it at all because there's an ambient feeling to the room without any sound at all. They start with that and then they take the amplifier and they set it and then

they measure every parameter they can and then they put it in the software. There are some people right now that that that I can't believe that they are actually buying it I haven't heard it yet there's a new one out that the guitar players are using and they're they're saying a blindfold test it really works I mean there's a there's a hand feel that kind of gets in the way when you plan through one of these things it doesn't feel quite the same it's almost like if you're playing the way when you're playing through one of these things. It doesn't feel quite the same.

It's almost like if you're playing in clarinet, imagine playing with little bits of cotton on each thing. There's kind of a feel to it that isn't quite there, as opposed to when you're playing right into an amp. Right. But they're swearing by it right now so i don't know if uh you know because the the number of bits and all that because it all gets squeezed back down again it gets it's like 96 bits or whatever 140 but it still gets squeezed down to 16 bits so it

can only get as good as this you know when you're listening to it. But as the capacity, the storage capacity grows, like this phone has 120-something gigs. Yeah. They're getting bigger and bigger. Well, I think that you can store more bad-sounding music, you know. I mean, there's definitely that. But, you know, I mean, when you look at movies on watching a movie on there, I mean, I don't know.

I don't know, man. Some of these, I mean, people are making movies on these watching a movie on there i mean i don't know i don't know man um some of these i mean people are making movies on these yeah you know what i mean independent movies and if you're just sitting there and that's that's all you're seeing you know it looks pretty good well my um my galaxy can do 4k could do 4k video which is insane i mean you have the thing about like the android phones you can store them on uh cards you can you know insert little different little uh storage cards like which you can't do on an iphone and so you could like conceivably make a whole movie that looks fantastic right off of a fucking phone right i mean no there i know that that there is a movie, an independent movie that's gone to cans that was made on a, I don't know what it won or whatever, but I know the quality was made off of a bunch of iPhones.

Again, it comes down to your eye, your ear, the quality of the shot. And, you know, of course they have to adapt it because, you know, you're limited by the lens on the phone and all that. Well, they have additional lenses you can add to those things now too on the case. Yeah. And also software can replicate that too. But, you know, I guess it's really, again, I don't believe there are any right or wrong sounds. You know, I mean, I'll pick up anything, this thing, I can turn that into a rhythm machine, you know, with the right stuff. With the right stuff in there and, you know, by speeding it up and, you know, adding some subs to it or something like that. Well, those Jamaican dudes that make those incredible sounds from oil drums. Yeah.

They pound those drums down and then saw them in half and then figure out a way to beat them with certain types of drum instruments or sticks. They sound incredible. They do beautiful music with those things. Hey, so there's no bad sound. I mean, of course, this sounds, I mean, like a jackhammer. You don't want to hear a whole song, you know, built around a jackhammer. But it would be kind of cool to have a jackhammer in the middle of some, you know, for whatever reason.

That's why I don't think, that's why whenever I, I mean, there's a music store down in the village called Music Inn, and it's run by these two old hippies that used to play sitar between bands at the Fillmore. Wow. And they're just, it costs a dollar to get in, you know, because they don't. To the music store? Into the music store, because they don't want, like, you know, just. I mean, there's one aisle that goes this way, and it goes around and comes back out. And they have stuff from all over the world there that are just, you know, instruments you've never seen or thought of, you know, could make music. And I'll go in and buy a box full of, it looks like junk.

But you take that out, and you can fiddle with it and it can be the inspiration for a song, you know. So, again, it's what your ear, what works for you. So, you know, the kids now, I mean, and most people that haven't heard vinyl, this has gotten to the point where it sounds really good. You know, you've got subs there. Actually, it can reproduce more sound than you could get off of a vinyl. I remember we used to have to put the penny on some of the English records because the bottom end would be so strong it would make the needle skip. So you had to put a penny on it when you put on like a,

remember Mr. Lincoln Palmer, the band? Uh-huh, yeah. They were one of the first bands to put a penny on it when you put on like a you remember mr lincoln palmer the band yeah they had they were one of the first bands to use a synthesizer and he would get the frequency down so low that your average stereo wasn't able to handle it so and they they cranked it they would they nailed that that sucker and it sounded fucking great we all waited for that one part because the synth would go so low. But very often, if the thing was turned up loud enough, the needle would jump, so you'd have to put a dime on the thing.

What happened when you put a quarter? Was it too slow? Well, it would wear your record out pretty fast. And then that would... I mean, you didn't do it too often, but everybody would wait for that one sound because it was new and nobody heard that before It's a great idea that they charge a dollar to get into because it's kind of symbolic because it's not a lot of money Yeah, but it's enough money that people would be like if they're just walking by like what?

Yeah, I'm not paying a dollar to go in your front door tiny place. Yeah, it's just it's like twice as big as this Really tiny, you know Quentin Tarantino is uh pushing back on digital like he he thinks that everything should be still shot in film because he thinks there's a quality to film to a movie that you're missing when you're shooting everything in 4k and hd and all this jazz well I think that has it has something to do with depth of field and that kind of thing. And again, they're working on that with the software, you know, because, you know, again, as the instruments get better

and the gigs get more gigs and all that, there's more room for the software to work. So, you know, but I just believe, you know, like when I look at a movie that I know was done on film on, you know, like high-quality cameras, there's just something about it when you look back at it. And it looks, there's a, I don't know, there's a warmth to it, you know, that you don't get from, I mean, sometimes,

have you ever watched like an HD movie on a certain TV and it almost feels too good? Yeah. You know, they didn't, I mean, it was like one of those crossover films where they wanted to jump into HD too quick or something and they didn't take into account that it's going to be played on these TVs that are going to show the lack of the depth of field. And it feels like there's something wrong when you're watching it. You know what I mean? Everything is too clear. And it takes away from it. And I can think of a couple of movies that were like that.

But, you know, they've obviously cleaned it up. And I don't see too many uh examples of that anymore but uh a couple of years ago i noticed that and um you know my wife and i'd be watching a t a new tv in a in a hotel and it would and it just wouldn't look right right now and you knew you know that it was shot it might have been shot in in i mean in hd and and i don't know mixed in with with film i don't know i think a lot of it is actually really high definition televisions watching old films that's probably it like blu-ray if you get a video on blu-ray that wasn't shot on blu-ray like uh aliens 2 was a perfect example the james cameron version of Alien, the second movie.

There's a scene when they're in this hangar and there's a spaceship behind them and it's painted. Spaceship's painted. And it looks like utter dog shit. Right. Like when you saw it in the movie theater, it was in film. So it was,

even though it was ridiculous, I'm sure in real life, the way it looked, the grainy aspect of it in film, in a regular standard definition movie It looked great, right? No problem at all But once they transferred it to blu-ray you look at you like what am I seeing? Stupid looking so many so many

newscasters You know men and women have lost their jobs when HD came out because it did the you know The wrinkles all of a sudden every spot actresses too actors when i was uh on uh news radio we shot everything in film on the sitcom but um they started doing it that like that around that era like in news radio started in 94 i think or 95 and in that era was when things started shifting over to tape and they had a process where they would take a film or take tape digital tape and convert it to like a film look right

they made it shittier looking essentially to make it look more like film because when you looked at things through digital tape it was just unforgiving and it showed everything. Right. Like, instead of, like, if I'm filming you, I'm focusing on you and the background is kind of blurry, but I see your face. Right. But digital just captures everything in front of you. So, you have to sort of, like, fuck with it after the fact to make it look like film.

Right. Because otherwise, like, those fake two-dimensional backdrops that they use for artificial cities. Like, if you go to 20th Century Fox and you walk down the lot, you see those, they look like shit in real life. Like how does anybody fucking think this is really a city? But in film, you're only focusing on the actor's face and the background is almost inconsequential. You can get away with it.

They were kind of doing that. But if you saw it before they converted it, it looked like total dog shit. Right. And they're constantly, I mean, every month it gets better and better and better. And the same thing, I mean, with music, it's the same thing. There's still, you know, and there are plug-ins that will replicate tape.

And then there's this other thing that's, I don't know how long it's going to last, a it's kind of a pain in the ass to use but it actually goes from the the signal actually goes from the microphone which is you either sing in or play in or whatever but it goes from the microphone right into a tape machine that like an old fashion 24 track tape machine that's running and then it goes from there into the computer. So it's almost like the tape is being used as a piece of outboard gear, like a fuzz tone or an echo machine or something like that, but it's going through tape before it hits that.

So that warms it up automatically in a way that it's really hard to duplicate with software. So that's something that has been around for a couple of years. They perfected it. We've recorded our last record using it. I don't know if it made it better or worse. And I don't know how much longer it will be around because it is kind of a pain because you've got to keep rewinding the tape every time you do a take and that kind of thing. So I don't know.

They're constantly, I mean, people are aware of it and they're constantly trying to upgrade it. But I don't know. Somehow every time I listen to vinyl, there's something about the sound that I still like. It's compelling, right? There's something organic about it. that uh i still like it's compelling right there's something uh there's something organic about it that seems to be what it is like the the expression warm seems to be like the even the term warm it's like it's a living thing it's like alive whereas digital is cold digital is like uncaring it's numbers it's ones and zeros compressed and exactly and that's it that's like simple as

that analogous to our culture right there's the blowback against the sort of like harsh digital environment that we're living in yeah this this this slow descent into this fucking computer world that we're eventually going to find ourselves living in and they put chips in our brain i know it's like it's kind of funny when you hand somebody cash you know when you go in to buy something and it's like what is it what do i do with this you know it's like especially if it's over five dollars there used to be a place that i used to eat at in the valley uh called chicks it was a uh a chicken place that had been around for like 20 plus years old school as fuck this guy had invented his own rotisserie he had like an oven that was a chicken place that had been around for like 20 plus years. Old school as fuck. This guy had invented his own rotisserie.

He had like an oven that was a wood-fired oven. And the guy who worked there had to constantly throw wood into this oven. And it was this big like copper. I mean, I took you to Chick's before, right? Fucking great, right? How good was that place? They went under. They went under because the dude would not accept credit cards.

Really? Never accepted credit cards. Wanted only and you would people would go there and they would get pissed they would have their credit card out they would have an order they would say sorry and there was a sign right above the register cash only and they go i have a credit card and the guy was like sorry we don't accept cash and they get mad at them and shit and storm out of there really they didn't want people There's some people that just want to just walk around with a credit card and nothing else. And this guy was like, yeah, fuck credit cards. I want cash. And so for whatever reason, it slowly started killing his business.

The guy refused to adapt. He was old school as fuck and eventually went under. Now it's a Starbucks. Jesus. Unbelievable. That's a drag because it's like you know i mean that's an art man to cook to cook chicken really well you know and you know it's like it is a true art and uh to to see that go down that's really a drag they cooked everything there really good it wasn't just

chicken they had fantastic sandwiches they had the best pastrami i mean it was a mexican place they had pastrami i mean mexicans owned it it was amazing this place it's just fucking fantastic and they for whatever reason they just refused to give in and they eventually closed the doors that's a drag you know i know i mean i've gone into restaurants and you know some because i'm always looking for barbecue places in our travels. And there are a lot of places that just do cash. I got a spot for you. It can be annoying sometimes when you don't have any cash on you and you just find out when you walk in the door.

So I can see what – but if your business is spreading like that, you got to, like, get the word out there so people come prepared, you know. Have you ever been to Dr. Hogley Wogley's in Van Nuys? No. Oh, I got a spot for you, Joe Perry. Yeah. It might be the best fucking barbecue in the country. Really? And it's in Van Nuys.

Well, you've got a tall order there. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I've been to a lot of spots. I've been to some fantastic spots in North Carolina. I've been to some awesome joints in Texas and in Georgia. This fucking spot in Van Nuys, California might be the best joint in the country. Really?

It seems ridiculous. I'll have to try it. It's a shit neighborhood, too. Oh, it's right down the street from one of the dirtiest strip clubs in the valley. right down the street from one of the dirtiest strip clubs in the valley. But if you go down to Pulvita and you find this place, Dr. Hogley Wogley's Tyler, Texas Barbecue in Van Nuys. Really?

It's sensational. They have the best brisket I've ever eaten in my life. It melts in your mouth. I'm into brisket now. I was into baby backs for a while and then kind of going from back and forth but but brisket is now my you know if you like brisket you must go to this place they have it's old school they have fucking that shitty fake wood on the walls what's that called you know that wood paneling that you see in people's basements when they're molesting kids like that kind of wall like you've seen all those american apparel ads you know know? It's that shit.

It's on the wall. It's fucking, they should have just fucking bare walls. Who gives a shit? Like the wall, the decorations, it's almost indicative. Oh, is that photos of it? No, this is a video of it. Oh, this is a video of Hogley Wogley's? I am telling you, the fucking portions are incredible.

They're huge portions. I always get the brisket, hot links, and pork rib. That's what I get. Spare ribs. Just fucking ridiculously good. Wow. Ridiculously good. I have no affiliation with these people.

I go there all the time. I don't know anybody who owns it. I'm not trying to make any money here. I'm telling you. I'm fucking up right now. I shouldn't be telling you people about it because there's going to be a goddamn line all these hipsters are going to find out about this spot and swarm van eyes no just just tell them keep keep keep drumming on the neighborhood how funky it is yeah it's funky as fuck it's it's very funky it's one of those places where you park your car and you're like okay hope it's still here when I get back.

Yeah, there used to be a place like that in Boston, I remember. We used to go at four in the morning, you know, same thing. They used to do ham hocks. Really? That was great. Hard to find a good ham hock spot. Yeah, yeah. Split pea soup with ham hocks?

Yeah. Hard to find a good spot who knows how to do that and chitlins and the whole thing then and we used to go down there i mean and it was but you know everybody made a straight line there and you know got left alone it was fine yeah you know good neighborhood place well there's a place in austin texas that has it's famous for its weight it's got like an hour and a half wait. Like everywhere you go, every time you go there, like in the morning when they're opening up for lunch, there's a fucking line of people already waiting to get in there.

Really? Because Austin, Texas is one of those places where people find out about a spot, and it becomes like the place to wait in line. Like I went there a couple weeks ago, and there was this line for this hamburger place. I'm like, it's a fucking hamburger place. How good could it be? But there's an hour ago, and there was this line for this hamburger place I'm like it's a fucking hamburger place How good could it be but there's an hour and a half wait a line like what are you doing to your hamburgers? Unless you're putting cocaine on your hamburgers. I don't understand this line. It doesn't make any sense But there's a huge fucking line for this, you know

Handcrafted right now the only way to spot handcrafted is if you can see the cows in the back You know what I mean, and he's that's then you only way it's handcrafted is if you can see the cows in the back. You know what I mean? And then you know where it's coming from. I just don't know how it could be much better than In-N-Out. In-N-Out, you just get in the car and you go through the drive-thru, and it's pretty much fucking perfect. My favorite place in L.A., lowest weight I've ever had was three hours.

It's called Boiling Crab. What is that? boiling it's called boiling crab and it's actually it's it's where they take crab and they put sausage in it and then like corn and then butter and garlic and they just give it to you in this huge bag and they have crawfish lobster whatever you want but everything comes in big bags and a three hour wait that's the lowest i've ever been i've had it up to five hours before what come? Come on. Yeah, and you literally sign up, and they say like four hours, and then you just leave, and you come back like three and a half hours later, and hopefully they didn't call your name. That's insane.

Do most people actually wait? Yeah, it's just groups of people all sitting in a parking lot outside. It's weird. But there's generic ripoff places now because they've so many people come you know love that place so now there's like boiling shrimp which is the exact copy of it and it's there's no weight where's this place now uh ala Hombra and there's one in Koreatown and there's one inas uh there's a bunch of these yeah and they're all hour hour waits i don't even know about this that sounds great except for the weight yeah yeah well it's nice

when someone figures out something good you know like one of the things you're seeing now at lax lax used to be just like chilies and like burger king is like little chains but now they have all these like cool restaurants there. They have like really good restaurants in a lot of the terminals now. They finally figured out like, Jesus Christ, we have people coming in here every day, guaranteed, packed every day. And you got all these shitty chain restaurants. But they finally, again, the same sort of thing, this blowback.

Right. Where they're, you know, people are saying, you know, enough already. Let's put in a good restaurant and see what what happens and it takes off like wildfire and it's these big lines and these nice restaurants at lax yeah people you could see people going there without having to take off you know what i mean just go there for them to eat yeah but you would have to go through security and you have to show your license. It's on the other side? Yeah. Okay. You would have to buy a ticket. But that's really smart. Well, imagine if you buy a ticket for Southwest, where it's not that expensive, just so you

can eat at the restaurant. I like to go through security as soon as I get there, get it over with. You know what I mean? So it's good it's on the other side. Yeah, they don't have anything on the inside. You can't buy anything, right? They don't... LAX?

Do they have any? They have a starbucks at the the baggage claim place but that's basically it yeah boston has a bunch of those at logan there's a few places you can eat before you go through security yeah but i don't think they have any of that at all in la except the restaurant that's actually outside right whatever that spaceship looking thing have you been there no you no You? No. Looks like a bad disco. You know what? It's probably a painting.

It's probably a fake. Nobody's ever eaten in there. It's a CIA operation just to get fucking. Really? Yeah. There you go, man. You never know. You never know.

Listen, Joe Perry, we're basically out of time. You're fucking awesome, man. Really so cool to have you on here. Thanks, man. I appreciate the fuck out of it. It's great to meet you and be on the show. Like I said, it was more important to hook up with you, but it was great to be on the podcast, man. You do a great job.

Thank you, brother. I appreciate it very much, man. It's an honor, a true honor. And my boys turned me on to you a while ago, and it was great. Thank you, sir. Let's do it again sometime. Yeah. Tell me when you're back in town again.

All right. I've got to come see you guys live, too. When are you guys performing live? Well, we just finished being on the road for a while, so we'll probably go out again next year. It's going to be a while. So sometime in 2015? Yeah. Well, come back on next time before you're going to do it

and we'll set something up. Alright, cool. Beautiful. Thank you, sir. Joe Perry, ladies and gentlemen. Joe Perry on Twitter, but he doesn't need you to pay attention to him. Go fucking... Check out his book. Go buy his book, goddammit. Let's bump that bitch up to number one. Last time I saw it was number four. What's the name of the book again?

It's called Rocks, My Life In and Out of Aerosmith. Joe Perry, ladies and gentlemen. Nuff said. Night. See you soon. Thank you.