The Joe Rogan Experience - #573 - Daniele Bolelli

Episode Date: November 11, 2014

Daniele Bolelli is an Italian author, professor, and martial artist. His books include "Create Your Own Religion" and "On the Warrior's Path" and he is the host of the podcast called The Drunken Taoist.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Ladies and gentlemen, the drunken Taoist himself, Daniele Bolelli. My friend, how are you? Pleasure and honor to be here again. Always a pleasure and honor to have you here, brother. How's it going? If you hear anything in the background, some giggling, Daniele's beautiful little daughter is here. Babysitting plans didn't work out, so we'll make it happen.

But I'll feel weird about swearing, but that's all right. Well, you should see what comes out of her mouth on a regular basis. Yeah, my daughter gives me a hard time uh or my wife rather gives me a hard time for swearing in front of our daughters it's like there's like some period where you're there's a certain point in time you're not allowed to swear when they hit like 18 you can say whatever the fuck you want yeah but anything before then people get a little squirrely of course no but it's hilarious because you know you can't help it you know you're gonna listen to some music you're gonna not even crazy stuff but like oh yeah she liked yeah, she liked Katy Perry at some point.

And so I'm like, okay, whatever. You listen to your song. And then she was still a couple of years ago. She was tiny. And she goes into school and she starts singing to her teacher. And her teacher is like, oh, cute song. You have such a beautiful voice. And she started going like, you PMS like a bitch, I should know.

And I was like no No no Please don't say that Do you know the PC police is trying to take the word Bitch out of our vernacular Bitch is the latest one Bitch is the new retard I won't let go of retard I don't care what you say it's not a medical term

It's no To retard is to slow Down is to be behind the curve. To be retarded is to be slow. It has nothing to do with Down syndrome or any diseases. I may have to ban it eventually. But for right now, I'm fucking staying strong. I'm staying strong with retard, and I'm staying strong with bitch.

And what's bad with bitch, exactly? Well, it's a derogatory term for females it's it's part of the patriarchy don't you understand you know you don't understand because you're a white male you need to check your privilege mr ballelli have you not checked your privilege yeah i saw your tweet about checking your privilege i was thinking about checking my privilege yesterday i didn't though i thought about it i thought about checking my privilege what the fuck does that even mean yesterday I didn't though it's a way that people can silence you that's essentially what it is I mean the idea behind it has some merit you know the idea that there are people that have privilege in life and they need to

understand that I think it's a valid term when you're talking about minorities and poor people and people on welfare and people in foreign countries that have no health care and they're poor. I believe, support 100% that. But it gets used as a crutch

to silence people. It gets used as a crutch for people who lack the intellectual vigor to engage in an honest debate and discussion they say you need to check your privilege i love watching videos of people that are really not that bright but they're like getting involved in those debates and they have that weapon check your privilege it's like it's like a fighter that doesn't really know how to

box but has an awesome overhand right yeah and they just swing that overhand right so you know the other box is like bitch get out of here with that overhand right i didn't see that shit coming a mile away check your privilege oh not that easy your fucking argument sucks no i mean i get it because there are the people who are oh you know we live in a colorblind society everything there is no more racism we can all be equal and if you are trying to argue anything but you are a reverse racist and i can see how some of these guys are dicks themselves because they are is like ignoring the fact that there's a whole history behind it and when they say we start the race evenly it's like well somebody has their shoestrings tied together from 50 years of bullshit not for 50 way more and so it's like no there is no even race that's bullshit

but at the same time when you turn it into everything is about what happened 200 years ago it's like come on man it's like the fine balance there there's a website that uh a twitter handle that i don't i don't follow them on twitter because i don't want them to know that i follow them but what i did is bookmark them and I go to her page all the time. And her thing is about being child free. Hashtag child free. And I mean this woman's entire fucking Twitter feed is all about how happy she is that she doesn't have a child. And it's one of those, you know, me thinks thou dost protest too much.

You know, it's like when you go to it it's like oh my god like is this your whole existence is like being happy that you don't have a child like this is so bizarre like it's a bizarre hang-up but that bizarreness is a that that's a characteristic of human beings like they can get caught up in a bunch of different weird ways of thinking and one of them can be just fucking meandering on and on constantly about racial issues oh yeah of course you know and it works by the way have you seen al sharpton's girlfriend jesus louises really oh my god that good oh my god she's a fucking 10 i mean A young 10 with her arms around this crusty old dinosaur fucking suitcase pimp. How old is Al Sharpton?

Dead. Yes, seriously. Officially dead. I don't know. It's a fucking thousand. It's 1050. He's disgusting. Yeah.

But he's just a creep. He's just a suitcase pimp. You know, he's just one of those guys. He's just a hustler. He figured out his way through that Tawana brawley case where it was some false rape accusation he was blaming all these white people it's again it's the same thing it's a race race pimp look at her and that's just one picture by the way this is a weird thing that happens with people's heads when they lose weight you know when people get really fat their

heads get big that's how sharp down now that's how sharp to now he lost a lot of weight he has stomach stapled and um that's only one photo of her she's 35s yeah yeah good for all damn yeah what do they talk about crayons shit she's Shit. She's not that young, actually. 35 is pretty... She's a stylist. She's beautiful. Somebody is not watching their little show. Somebody is sitting in Daniele Bolelli's lap.

What are we doing? Are we watching Little Krishna where Krishna kills demons, or no? She's done, dude. Can I say hi to everybody? Because I'm really scared. Okay, I'll hug you the whole time. How about everybody? It's because I'm really scared Okay I'll hug you the whole time How about that? That's why my new mom's right there

You can sit in my lap Watch your show This will be the first show ever Where a little kid is here During the podcast Yeah that should be You're so cute I'm going to have to let it slide I'm going to have to

Just this one time You sure you don't want to watch TV or anything? What time? What time? What time? Well, right now, it is 1.10. You can watch TV if you want. Do you want to? She's watching her show more or less.

Barely. We'll see how that goes. When my daughter was three, it was one of the cutest moments ever. My daughter was three when we went skiing. I took her skiing when one daughter was two and the other one was four. That's when I started them skiing. Yeah, I just think it's good to just get kids doing shit as much as possible. That's great.

I take them to dance class and gymnastics, and I teach them martial arts. Awesome. But I think it's good to just get them used to traveling, get them used to doing things. But when she was three uh we were putting all the stuff into her little bag and she's a little bag she carries we travel and she likes to pull her own bag and um she didn't have her helmet in the bag and she had everything zipped up and right when she finished zipping up i'm like honey you didn't put your helmet in she goes shit it's just something so adorable i know about a three-year-old going

and my wife and i were just like oh no she didn't if i mean the thing is kids are gonna do it right so what happens is what i the deal that i struck with her was i don't care if you do it around me i get it hell i do it too but you do not there are places where you do it places where you don't at school around other kids in front of your teachers no at home so one day we're like we're driving home from school and she let's slip up something like that where she goes shit and i'm like is what and she looked at me he's like don't worry i don't say it at school i just say it here and i'm like okay that's fair and so she sees that she had to go ahead and so she went kind of got it out of her system and that was that yeah it's um And so she sees that she had to go ahead, and so she went, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, That whole thing, the whole censorship and language thing is such a bizarre aspect of being a human being.

These forbidden words that we use that essentially are interchangeable with words that are okay. Like what drives me crazy is when someone goes frickin'. This frickin' guy with his frickin' thing like, I hate nuts. Whoa, what kind of bizarre corporate world. We live with Applebee's existence. Are we floating through here? Yeah.

Frickin'. No, I drive me nuts it's weird it's weird and that's why i mean i don't overdo it if i can check it i'll try but i don't try to censor myself around there in anything you know in anything that i do it's kind of like this is how i am right this is i'm not going to out of my way to make it extra weird but i'm like how i am is how I am. Yeah. And I like talking to kids, not exactly like they are adults, because obviously they aren't.

Right. But at the same time, not treating them like they are fucking stupid, where you just treat them like, oh, goo goo gaga kind of stuff all day long. It's like, come on, man. Kids are way smarter than you give them credit to. And if you work with them like that from the get-go they will surprise you time and time again with the stuff that they can say back to you oh without a doubt i remember when i was a little kid people i still to this day remember people treating me like i was a moron and talking to me stupid and i remember thinking god when i have kids i'm never talking

to them like that so i talk to my kids like they're my friends like i'm very sweet to them very nice and i'm like very understanding if they're my friends. I'm very sweet to them. I'm very nice. I'm very understanding. If they're crying about something, it doesn't make any sense. But when I explain something to them, I explain it to them like an adult. I know their head's only that big. So it can't possibly be as smart as me. But they're smart, man.

They are. My six-year-old can read now. Wow. Which is interesting because I had a shirt on the other day that said nine fucking oranges because uh i had this uh bit in my act as based on a true story where um i had my uh power cut off in my house uh because i didn't pay my bill back when i was young i was very irresponsible i wasn't even broke i just didn't pay my bill and so the guy came by to turn the power on. Seemed like a nice guy. And after he turned the power on, I go, hey, man, I had an orange tree in this yard of this house I was renting.

And I go, if you want, I go grab one of those oranges, man. I go, they're really delicious. And he goes, oh, okay, thanks. So the guy goes out there and he takes nine fucking oranges. And I swear to God, man, I was 20, I want to say maybe 26, 27 at the time. That was 20 years ago. And to this day, sometimes I'm in my car and I'll be driving around. I'll just go nine fucking oranges.

And I talked about it on stage. And it's really true. It is a true story. And so this dude gave me this t-shirt at one of my shows that just said nine fucking oranges. Did he make it just for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had oranges on it. I wish I had it on right now. That's great.

But I wore it for one of the shows. One podcast I wore it for. But anyway, I brought it home. And my daughter goes, I know what that says. That's a bad word. Is that a bad word? That's a bad word. You're the bastard.

Well, I didn't even know she knew that word. First of all. She's's your daughter come on at once in a time my wife runs a tight ship really i try to i try to keep it keep it very pg sure you can try only once but there are ties but i remember when she was two or something where i dropped something and for the rest of the day she went on repeating duck duck duck and i'm like i'm glad you think it's a duck what i said yes duck that's what i said when i dropped it but it's like there's no way you can avoid it you know there's no way it's impossible yeah there it is brian callan brian callan and i nine fucking oranges you see the fucking is covered By my name

But it is what I said That was when Brian Callen and I Got back from hunting That one was That was the Before hunting Before 58's

After yeah Yeah We did two Two podcasts in a row One before And one after hunting We went up to This island

Prince of Wales In the middle of Alaska Terrible trip Really It was beautiful though It was beautiful It was a great trip this island, Prince of Wales, in the middle of Alaska. Terrible trip. Really? It was beautiful, though. It was beautiful. It was a great trip. It was just an unsuccessful hunting trip, but there was what was great about it was

when I came back home, I really appreciated civilization. Oh, yeah. We slept in a tent. It was wet. Everything was wet. Sleeping bag was wet. It was just miserable. It was like 40 degrees Just It's poured every day

It was so much humidity That like Inside the tent Like I would turn I had this little Miner's light Kind of thing Like a forehead light

I'd turn it on And you'd see The entire tent was filled With little floating Beads of water There was just that much Humidity in there When did you guys go?

Was it summer? It was first week of October. It was too late. Yeah, it's late. Yeah, it was too late for the area that we were hunting in because the deer had already moved down. We were at the top where the water is, where the lakes are, and the deer had already moved down.

There's water up there, lakes that have no fish, giant lakes, that are lakes that are only there because of rainwater. Wow. Giant lakes of rainwater. And you drink it because there's no beavers. Right. You just dip your thing right in the water. lakes that are lakes that are only there because of rainwater wow giant lakes of rainwater and you drink it because there's no beavers right you just dip your um thing right in the water we drink right out of the lake that's beautiful in itself it is beautiful it is it's amazing in that sense like i was prepared for diarrhea every day i bet but it never came they were saying if you get giardia

like you wouldn't get giardia giardia comes from animal poop and the only way you would get that is if there was a beaver up there but um you could like run into a bear and a bear could have pooped in there yeah exactly bear poop in your mouth yeah that would be yeah i can see how things could be more fun yeah but it's such an enormous lake the odds of you getting any substantial amounts i mean the reality is unfortunately we're constantly getting fecal matter and dirt and stuff in your body and like even if you're a person who only eats plants they say that one of the best ways that vegans get vitamin b12 is from bugs that they inadvertently eat that are right on their food yeah just kind of hilarious i had that the other day i handed out this glass of wine to this lovely lady and

she grabbed it and she was about to sip it and she looked and she's like oh there's a bag inside and she handed it back to me and i think i was already buzzed enough that i look took a look at it and i was like just shrug my shoulder and down the bag and wine and it was tasty it was nice bugs don't taste nearly as bad as people think they do no take it from me from my days at fear factor i have i've eaten quite a few bugs it's more in your head yeah than there's anything i mean i wouldn't go for like nasty weird looking cockroach from outer space kind of thing but you know little bugs whatever no big deal i ate a madagascar hissing cockroach it's like the side remember pagers that's serious the size of a pager that's matt giant madagascar hissing cockroach is like the side remember pagers that's serious size of a pager yeah that's

matt giant madagascar hissing cockroach i think they're referred to that's pretty gross right there it's not bad man no was i guess you know what it is is not the thing itself is what it has crawled through it's all in your head yeah it really is all in your head with the walls crawled through yeah disgusting but the ones that we, they were raised in a farm. They were raised for movies and stuff like that and for show business. Oh, wow. It's really... In that case, pass on the cockroaches and let's have a snack. Isn't that amazing that there's so many cockroaches? There's so much of a need for cockroaches that there's someone who raises them for television shows?

That I've never heard before. That's crazy. That's interesting right there. And they would have millions of them, man. These guys had like vats of cockroaches. Wow. Yeah. But I was around them so often, it just became nothing.

Right. And I watched people eat them and, you know, I forget what it was. Oh, it was one of the girls from a soap opera. It was like a celebrity fear factor. And I made her a deal that if she ate one of the cockroaches to move on, move on that i would eat a cockroach right and she wouldn't even eat a cockroach she ate a worm instead like i go i would rather eat a roach than a worm but yeah i don't know about even in my book see a worm i think is filled with dirt yeah probably i mean they eat dirt but then again a cockroach is not exactly you know rab rubbing himself day and night and taking showers i'm telling you eating it was like it was very like no taste at all it was very mild just

exploded in my mouth and i crunched it but it was very mild really like if i had to if i was starving i would eat oh yeah i would eat a bowl of those things no problem if you're starving yeah i don't think there are too many things that one doesn't eat yeah it's like it makes you uh gag a little just because it just feels gross in your mouth but the reality of like the actual flavor of it it's not that bad not too bad nice it's not no worse yeah people are saying that uh in other countries that bugs are becoming like a viable form of protein. Oh, yeah. They say it's really clean protein.

It's less fat than in the most other type of protein. So, yeah, if you can get over the, oh, this is gross, supposed to be actually good for you. Yeah, probably not just less fat. I mean, how much fat is in a bug? Yeah, I would imagine next to nothing. Yeah, I mean, they're super lean, right? Yeah, yeah. next to nothing yeah i mean they're super lean right yep yep so they even have like cricket like snacks that you can buy at like hiking places they sell like these cricket bars i've done that

before there was a friend is that her yeah her sound coming out of her ears okay earbuds i was wondering what that was i thought maybe someone was outside cranking music one of these things fell off earlier and i need to just okay you can listen to the other one i'll just plug this one up she's so adorable it's all right man the yeah i had that before with um a friend of mine was from oaxaca mexico and so one of their traditional thing they will have these entire plates filled with crickets and you know he didn't grow up there he grew up out here right his parents were all into that stuff so one day he's like, I have to try, I have to try. He orders it at his Oaxacan restaurant and he just look at it.

And I can see he's about to throw up like any second now, right? He's just like, and I'm like, come on, it's not that bad. And I have to say, I ate them. I mean, you can eat them, but I can think of about 10,572 things that are better than that. They are not the tastiest thing in the world. And they look at you. They are not that tiny. So they have their eyes that you can clearly see.

I'm crunching on some cricket eye right now. But why is that gross, but like a lobster is okay? No, I feel, I mean, there are some stuff that I agree with you. Some things are it's total social conditioning you know it's nothing else is you just brought up with the idea that that's normal and then it's normal but otherwise it's not it's just as weird as a bunch of other stuff yeah because i mean essentially like crabs and lobsters and crustaceans they're really like bugs they're bugs that just live in the ocean they're water bugs

and lobster are one of the few things that i can't quite, I mean, the whole thing of boiling them alive, that freaks me out. Really? I mean, other stuff is like, I have no problem, you know, it's like the hunting thing. You know, you go out, you hunt, an animal is free, has a good life. You kill them, you eat them. Totally make perfect sense to me. Boiling alive something actually involving torture to

make sure that you get to eat it i feel like i can eat something else you know i can eat and again it doesn't have to be a vet i can eat i have no problem with the whole eating meat thing or hunting or any of that i feel that the degree of pain part she's like come on man well it really makes you feel better they say that lobsters lack the nerve endings to feel pain really yeah it's well they also regenerate limbs so if a lobster loses a leg it just grows rack in that case yeah but on the lobster yeah so if you really wanted to humanely eat lobster you just hack their arms off and they just keep letting them grow their arms back and then eat only their claws you could do that it would work i don't know how long it would take to regenerate a claw,

but they regenerate the same way like crocodiles do. Right. They regenerate as well. Some lizards do. I remember when I was a kid, I went to my maternal grandfather's house by the seaside, and I would hardly ever see him, so it was kind of a new thing,

and it was already weird enough. And one day,'m i'm thirsty i wake up in the middle of the night i go to the fridge i open the fridge and this fucking giant lobster jump out of the fridge and start running away because he had captured it and he kept it there alive it was like what the hell is this freak the hell out of me forever that's the weird thing about lobsters is that they live in the ocean but you can ship them in a box oh yeah and they don't even have to be in water and they get to you like from maine and they're alive yep like every day in vegas they have lobsters shipped in from maine to their restaurants just like how the hell like how

the what what are these things like they they don't even have to breathe i know like how many days can they go without breathing yeah i have no idea, but it's freaky. It's definitely freaky. Yeah, it's as freaky as it comes. She needs some sort of a television show for this to work. There is a television show right there. But she's not watching it. She's just not watching it.

It's more interesting to interrupt us. We should have worked this out, man. I would have brought my kids over and they could have had a little party. I know. And we just would have heard yelling and fucking play next door. I've been wild and crazy over there. Yeah, I don't know what it feels. But the one thing I do know is when you throw a lobster in the water and the water boils, they try to get out.

Yeah. So I'm not buying it. Yeah, I don't buy it either. It sounds a little weird to me. It's like a convenient thing that people say. Yeah. It's like, no, they don't feel anything. They like it, actually. It's like a convenient thing that people say yeah it's like no they don't feel anything they like it actually it's like a sauna to them you know it's like they have this pleasant song

and all of a sudden they die peacefully and go to lobster heaven and all is good yeah they hear music and they just expire they want to go to their dead relative lobster who has been in your pot before and they are united in lobster heaven and all is well. Well, one thing that is interesting about prey animals like deer and antelope and stuff is that they believe now that when an antelope gets captured by a lion or something like that, that when the lion bites down on it, that its brain floods with chemicals and it almost sort of gives up. Like it kicks a little bit, but it just sort of gives up. And it doesn't fight, say, if like if a lion captured like a predator you know

some other predator right like a leopard or something like that they would fight for their right now they would go crazy and make screaming noises and everything that but antelopes are just like yeah this is just my place in the world I'm the prey I got coats okay I'll check out next life we'll try again see you soon i want to come back as a giraffe for some shit what's your take on that kind of stuff do you do you actually semi believe in reincarnation what's your take um i don't not believe in it because i think the idea of life itself is so bizarre the idea that we have a a soul that we have consciousness that we can see through our eyes that we navigate with

sound and feel and memory i mean it's all it's so so so bizarre that reincarnation is not outside of the question i don't i don't know if there is such a thing as a soul i don't know what this life is i don't know like does this life is is this a finite experience where you're born and then you die? Or are you drifting in and out of parallel experiences every time you go to sleep and wake up? I mean, are you on the same timeline constantly? When you wake up and you have this memory of your existence in this life that you are you sure that that's exactly how everything goes i mean just because all the people in your life seem to think that that's everything how everything goes how do you know that you didn't go to bed last night

with a totally different existence and wake up with a memory of this life that you're living right now just completely embedded in your head we don don't know. That's like the famous Chuan Tzu and the butterfly, right? The whole Taoist sage, Chuan Tzu, was all like, they ask him about his dream and he say, yeah, I had this dream that I was a butterfly,

but now I'm puzzled because I don't remember anymore. I don't know if I'm really Chuan Tzu and I was dreaming that I was a butterfly or if I'm actually a butterfly and this is the butterfly's dream thinking that she's Chuan Tzu.

And that's like the paradox of you never fucking know right yeah you never fucking know i had a really intense dream once that was so realistic that to this day it haunts me because i was some sort of an animal like a wolf or something along those lines and we were sneaking up on this deer and the deer heard like a branch snap or a leaf move and i could smell fear and i remember smelling fear like smelling the tingling in this animal's body as it was thinking about bolting as it was wondering whether or not it heard anything and i also remember smelling water i could smell the water that was dripping and then i woke up i remember thinking like what the fuck is going on because i remember there was other

similar animals near me some wolf-like animals near me and we were like communicating without words in some sort of strange primitive way it was a very short dream but i woke up but i remember thinking wow that was an intensely realistic experience because i didn't feel like while it was going on i wasn't like oh i'm a person that thinks it's a wolf you know it's like i was in this this animal's mind of course could easily be imagination sure but then again it's some of those dreams i know exactly what you mean because some of the things are weird there's uh there's stuff that i know what i've experienced and then sometime there's something that clicks in that is like this is not part of my life this is what i'm feeling right now is way beyond the range of my experience this is not part of the game and that's what i find uh i find it trippy

you know i find it really interesting like you ever see the movie legends of the fall with yeah yeah yeah you know i really like the movie i could only watch it without one time and i could never watch it again why does he freak the hell out there was one scene where um if you guys haven't watched legends of the fall and you plan to do it skip the next minute because i'm gonna give spoilers spoiler alert from spoiler from one movie from 20 years ago exactly right not exactly big spoiler but there's that scene where uh brett's brother got killed in world war one yeah he goes berserk and he kind of goes behind enemy lines and he uh and the next scene you see is you see coming back into camp and he's covered in blood he has german scalps all over him and he's walking through the the camp and everybody's

opening up to let him go through nobody's saying a word there's this sense of and there's the sense about him that he's kind of larger than life he has done this crazy thing of going single-handedly again killing probably 10 15 guys something insane and yet there's this sense of extreme sadness like all that power all that warrior ability doesn't give him what he truly needs which is to get back his loved ones you know that so that combination of extreme larger than life power and total tragedy that you can't you know that hold that power doesn't really help you when i saw that scene it was so damn familiar in a way that it's not my you know it's not how my life up until that point i've been and no parallel whatsoever in my experience and it wasn't like any other movie where i see something and he's like oh cool i can kind of

relate to that on some degree and he hit me like oh my god i know that feeling so damn well and then i think about it like where do i know that feeling so damn well. And then I think about it, like, where do I know that feeling? 20 years ago, whenever I saw Legends of the Fallen, there's nothing in my life to mirror that, not even a tiny bit. Well, the imagination is such a wonderful, incredible thing. It's just so impossible to really understand the boundaries of the imagination. And people can imagine memories. I mean, there's been moments where people have been talked into remembering things

through experiments, like someone would counsel them and give them a memory of the past and then coach them through this memory. And then time will go on and they'll think that that was a real memory oh yeah and what what is that i mean the imagination itself is such a bizarre aspect of being a human being the ability to like this wolf thing that i had in my mind essentially that was my imagination i mean the only other option is, what is it, a suppressed memory from my genetics from a long time ago when I was some sort of an animal. I mean, the idea of evolution is essentially that human beings in 2014 are the result of millions of years of change, of natural selection, of all these different slow processes that have led us to being this thing that we are today but this thing has a direct link to whatever the fuck survived from

that gigantic asteroid that hit the yucatan and was what some what one and a half miles deep right like slam i think was like five no five miles deep into the earth within the first second and a half killed everything everything larger than you know i think mckenna used the term a chicken everything larger than a chicken so just like as a point of reference and just weird little mammals rat things survived so somehow or another from 65 million years ago those weird little rat things that survived became us you see around yeah exactly all the mammals around us as and everything else yeah what is you know but but there's no direct chain to any wolves there's no direct chain to

any mean even the lower hominids were even the ones that ate meat they did they weren't on all fours they weren't so there's no i have no past with wolves no so if that's the case like what is that thing is that just total imagination is it just the psychedelic chemicals that flood your brain during heavy REM sleep, just creating a beautiful image for you to try to conceptualize and wrap your head around? Or are you drifting in and out of realities? Right. I mean, are you a monkey one day, you know?

And then you go to sleep, you wake up, and you're Daniele Bolelli. You have your life, and everything is normal. But were you a monkey yesterday? Right. Well, probably some would argue that I'm a monkey right now. Well, everybody argues that I am. I mean, it's obviously one of those stoner conversations that you have.

Like, how do you know? Not that we would know anything about that. I don't know what you're saying. Yeah. But those conversations are so common. Like, how do you know that when you go to bed and you wake up in the morning, you're the same person. But you don't know. And that's the weird thing about going to bed is that everyone wants to do it.

Everyone wants to sleep and everyone's scared to die. Everyone wants to shut off temporarily, but no one wants to shut off permanently. Oh, yeah. It is a very, very odd existence. Because, you know, if there were any guarantees, if truly people, that's why I don't really buy a lot of the religious people who think they say, I believe in this afterlife, this and that. It's like, if you really did, you would be way more relaxed about a lot of things in

life because you wouldn't have that fear of that. It's like, what do I have to be afraid of? There's nothing to be afraid of. It would be cool. It's like, great do I have to be afraid of? There's nothing to be afraid of. It would be cool. It's like, great. You know, I do my thing here. Whenever I check out, I check out and I go to this other cool place. Everything is great.

There's no reason to fear. The fact that people are obviously not thrilled with the notion of dying makes me think that they don't believe it half as much as they actually do. Well, belief systems are very strange. It can really seem in your, to be absolutely real. And you will explain these beliefs to someone else, and they will tell you that you're an idiot. Like, I was on a set once. I was doing this thing.

And I was talking to this girl and her sister. They seemed totally normal. And then the girl, I don't remember what we were talking about. It had something to do with gay people i don't remember what it was it was something like about gay marriage or gay people um they were talking about how the woman was saying that it's a sin and i thought she was joking i really thought she was joking because it was a set like a television set she's like well it's a sin i was like yeah it's a sin and and and then i realized she was serious and i go um so you think that god created people that

are gay and then um did it like as a goof like a trick like what is that right and she goes no no no you don't understand she said that this the devil scales are covering your eyes and i said the devil scales are covering my eyes i'll never forget that term that's the devil scales i didn't know the devil had skills that's when it's you know it's time to run well no no no i mean she was friendly she was just um who knows man who knows it was this girl and her sister and the the girl the one that i was originally talking to seemed totally normal but her sister was just out to lisanch right and that's the devil's scales are covering your eyes like what it was just about gay people yeah that's no yeah that's quite freaky right there yeah but it's like people pick and

choose shit man all the time i know this dude who's really religious but he has religious tattoos like motherfucker you gotta read the whole bible you're not supposed to have it right exactly you gotta read all of it you're not supposed to tattoo yourself but that's why in fact to me is like when people say either they are pro or against any one religion i mean it's silly because it's like when somebody tells me they are Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever that may be, he's not telling me anything, really. Because as you say, people pick and choose what they want out of that. So one guy's way of being Christian is totally awesome. They're going to be super nice people and their belief system helps them being nicer people.

The next guy, their way of being Christian, because they pick and choose the crappiest part out of the Bible, is scary as hell. And their way of being Christian is run for your life, you know? So to me, the label itself, I'm not interested in arguing about whether one religion is good or bad, because the reality is that every one of them, you're going to find at least some good part. In some, there's a lot more than in others but you're gonna find at least a little bit that's good in just about everything and you're gonna

find also tons of crap i'm interested in which parts you pick and how those parts inform your behavior how do how do you behave based on your beliefs that's what interests me yeah it's it's like like the idea of drugs. Like, all drugs are not just drugs. The idea is like, you know, I'm a religious person, or I'm a Christian. Right. Well, Fred Phelps was a Christian. Right.

And then there's like, Rupert Sheldrake is also a Christian. Right. You know, there's two very different ideologies at work here. But they're both calling themselves Christian. And Fred Phelps is just this evil mean creepy old that eventually died just rotted in his own filth and anger yep that's exactly how it is that's why to me even the the whole anti-religious view of the world sometimes gets too dramatic because it's like oh christians are terrible muslims are all evil it's like do you really think every single one out of millions of people who belong to those things, they are all bad people?

Come on, man. It's like there's the nice lady who picked the parts that are all about being nice to your neighbor and charity and whatever. And that's her way of being Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. And it's awesome. And there's nothing wrong with it. And it's actually pleasant. And I'm sure it actually helps her life other beliefs yes those are scary and anybody going by those beliefs

then you see it in action and it's not helping a lady cross the street is chopping people's head off because they don't believe the same thing you do that's the where you get that's the freaky part but i don't even care what it's people, always argue about which one is the one who does all this shit. It's not even just religious alone. Because if you look at, like, communist dictatorship, Nazis, they've all done it in the name of... It's totalitarianism.

You know, it's that idea of everybody needs to live according to my way of life and anybody who doesn't need to be squashed. That's the scary thing. Regardless of which label is attached to it, regardless of which set of clothes it's decided to wear, it's the same shit. Yeah, ideologies are problematic

because when you force yourself into a framework, you force yourself into a pattern, anything that's outside of that framework is automatically not to be considered. And when you have rigid thinking, anytime you have really... Except rigid thinking like, hey, you shouldn't rob people. Hey, you shouldn't go around stealing. You shouldn't go around stabbing people.

You shouldn't... I mean, there's rigid things in a sense that are pretty clear cut. It makes sense because they're causing harm. But also there's ideologies that are just you get locked into them and you're forced to think that way because of it like people that will tell you that this religion is correct because this religion is the truth like they'll and they'll they'll force themselves to like be stuck in that little box right and you you don't want to admit that you ever fucked up and lived 20 years of your life

believing in some nonsense so then you're stuck you're stuck in this little box and that could be atheism just as much as it can be christianity because i've met a lot of atheists and i'm like listen you're in a religion you're just in the religion called atheism and they like want you to proclaim you're an atheist like i know this dude that's an atheist and like he gets upset if i say i don't know you know like yeah that's me saying that to me is the most honest thing you can say is on a about a lot about stuff of the universe is i don't know because that's the reality of it he hasn't had any really extreme psychedelic experiences either right he's had none in fact he's a very smart guy but his ideas are like only based on

his own personal experiences and what he's learned and what he's read and he's a very smart person he's very aware of religion but he's like so adamant about proclaiming there is no god and i'm like look dude i have seen things on mushrooms that are way crazier than an old man with a book checking your name in the cloud and leading you through pearly gates and there's a bunch of people with wings. I've seen some shit that's way crazier than that. So that, I don't think that's real. There's no evidence whatsoever in my estimation that that exists. But the idea that there might be some universal consciousness

that we want to describe as a god. Absolutely. And it's just, it's not this old man the clouds wearing robes it's just something maybe even beyond the realm of humanity beyond the realm of the possibility of us understanding i don't see any evidence for that but i'm not i'm not throwing it out yeah exactly i mean if somebody's telling you some crappy fairy tale that's obviously poorly written and it's bad screenwriting, it doesn't take a genius to figure out, okay, that's just bullshit and I can see it. But if you define God in some other way, then how the hell do you know?

Right. You know, once you reject just the most basic, silly type of fairy tale, everything else is up for grabs because nobody really knows. I mean, the universe is. because nobody really knows. I mean, the universe is... That's why to me it's kind of hard to have the discussions about religions, even like the books I've written about religion because usually people who don't like organized religion

is because they are big fans of, you know, kind of a hardcore materialist worldview where it's all about what you can see and touch and nothing else exists. So then you write a book that pleases those guys and doesn't please the religious folks. That's great. You still have an audience.

But if you argue for something more subtle, if you argue for something that's basically not dogmatic, either religiously dogmatic or in a hardcore materialistic form dogmatic, then you're shit out of luck in terms of finding an audience because there's no niche that you jump into right away right it's not just one simple you know there's those group of guys that are going to be right behind you you're asking people to be aware on a moment by moment basis so rather than just simply you know buying into a dogma spouting the ideology spouting that this is what we believe one two and three you're asking people to live life without relying on a damn recipe

that you apply at every little thing you run into. And instead, to use their nose, to use their, I sniff the situation right now. I'm able to, in this particular case, I'm going to do this thing. In this other case, the same thing that worked two minutes ago is not appropriate and is not the right thing to do. It's kind of like in fighting. It's like there's a rhythm to things. There's a timing to things. And going with a plan, a rigid plan, going with a plan is great.

But going with a rigid plan that you're not going to change regardless of what's in front of you is the recipe for death. You know, you're going to screw up. Same thing. Why would life in general be any different? Rigidly applying the scheme to everything that comes your way i mean to me real talent is uh is many able to judge things we can hear that unfortunately that her little ear buds are picking up on the uh the the microphones okay let's try now are you sure you don't want to watch tv

that's ridiculous my kids watch tv every chance they you sure you don't want to watch TV? That's ridiculous. My kids watch TV every chance they get because I don't let them watch TV. So I could always go, do you want to watch some TV? You're like, yeah. That works, huh? Book that up.

Yeah. Yeah, this is... It's the greatest thing ever for travel, man. For travel, you put on one of those things behind the headset, and people will go, oh, why do that? Why not have your kids have a conversation?

She's fucking four, right? That conversation only lasts so long, right? Not only that, there's educational cartoons now. There's cartoons that teach them how to spell, and they can sing along with it and learn phrases and words. Have you ever heard of, well, there's atheism, obviously, but there's a thing called Atheism Plus. Have you ever heard of Atheism Plus atheism obviously but there's a thing called atheism plus have you heard of what's that ism plus no tell it's essentially a new religion it's uh it's atheism plus a set of moral guidelines i call it duh this is why i call it

because it's like it's all be a good person right but i just think that's duh you know and maybe like when it comes to things like racism and these sort of discussions or homophobia or any sort of discussion about inequality or treating people in a very negative way because of something that they can't control. Like their sexual orientation or the way, the skin they have, what color they are, what part of the world they're from. I think anybody who's a good person sees that in 2014 and recognizes that's a fucked up way to think. So these people, this atheism plus thing, they have like atheism. So they're all saying there's no God, there's no God, there's no God. But we want a set of moral guidelines to live our lives by.

No sexual harassment. Sexual harassment and feminist issues are a big aspect of that. Right. It's mostly a lot of like really weak men placating to a lot of like angry women. And they formed this group where they all sort of get together and they have conferences and they just duh each other to death. They say duh. I mean, it's all just the same shit. It's conferences and they just duh each other to death. They say, duh. I mean, it's all just the same shit.

It's all shit that you should already know. Like, don't be racist. Yes, don't sexually harass women. Absolutely. Don't rape. Of course. You know, don't murder. Duh.

You know, like, okay. Okay. How many times can we talk about this? I've watched a bunch of their conferences online, and it's hilarious. I bet. Because it's so fucking pedantic. At the end, you get beaten to death by what they're fucking saying.

It's like, you should already know this. Everyone should know this. This is silly. And I think that depends on what audience you're speaking to. Because for anybody who is a semi-decent human being who should have learned this by the time they are five and it's like done and over with, are we still talking about it?

Then, of course, there are a bunch of people who are not exactly semi-decent human beings. So maybe for those guys it's a good message. But I agree with you. It's like, to me,

my thing is like, I've used this time and time again in podcasting and writing. I always write the whole idea that rules are for people who are too stupid to live without rules. Yeah. Because, you know, if you are smart, you don't need the damn rules because you know in your writing, I always write the whole idea that rules are for people who are too stupid to

live without rules. Because if you are smart, you don't need the damn rules because you know how to make the right call in every situation. And you don't need anybody telling you, look, don't rape anybody. It's like, I don't need you to tell me. I got it. And in this situation and in the next and in the next, no, it's not going to apply. That's not that there's going to be the exception to the rule, right? Other things, there are going to be exceptions, but still's not going to apply that's not there's going to be the exception to that rule right right other things there are going to be exceptions but still you're going to have the intelligence to be able to make the right call is you are somebody who's coming to mug me they may be punching you in the face is a good idea you are somebody who's disagreeing with me punching in the face you're crazy you're right you're a sociopath you know you don't need a rule telling

you when is it appropriate or not. You are able to make the right call when it happens. Yeah. And that's where this freaking child is like. You're amazing that you can carry on a conversation with her squirming, crawling on you. This is not working out nearly as well as we were hoping it was going to. No, it's a little more challenging. We're hoping she's going to watch the television or watch her little video.

Yeah. I can do it i mean sorry if it's disturbing you no i deeply apologize no it's no worries man i honestly thought yeah i also had higher hopes than than this then again she's five yeah that's my fault yeah they just they are what they are at five yeah sometimes you know she surprised me because she'll do things that i'm like really how the hell like i had this conversation with her the other day where she's telling me um i don't like that i'm so sensitive because every little thing you know i feel everything too much and when i'm happy i'm really happy and when i'm sad i'm really sad and i'm like

you're five really we're having this conversation and then she goes even one step further she goes but you know what it's okay because at least when i'm happy i'm really super happy so i'll take the pain of when i'm really sad wow i'm thinking jesus who are you again let's try this so you know i get tricked in those conversation when i'm like way you are way bigger than five i can take you to do this and that and then i realized no she's a five-year-old girl. There are limits to the game. Well, there's understanding that comes with being a human being, and that's what she's got. She's a human being with, you know, how many, what is it,

100 months on the planet or something like that? There's limits. Not even. Imagine. I mean, imagine trying to figure the world out with 100 months of experience and, I mean, a year of school or whatever she's been in. It's like impossible. Yeah. But you do have that little human brain.

And then you're also juggling around this collection of words that you've acquired. And so you're trying to express these ideas and thoughts and feelings. express these ideas and thoughts and feelings one of the things that freaked me out about her from the get-go is that she not exactly now because she's not picking up on the frustration of it all of the discussion but normally she has a insane level of empathy not just for a kid but like even for adults i see her like she's always whenever she sees somebody who's having a bad day it was really sad she instantly goes to them she's's trying to, like, I've seen her at school where she'll go to a kid who's like, hey, isn't that the kid that you

don't like, who's always giving you a hard time? And she's like, yeah, but I still feel bad. Look what a bad day this guy's having. And she's going to, like, try to comfort them and do this thing. I'm like, Jesus, man, you're really nice. You're nicer than me, I'll tell you that much. Maybe that's what it is

she's she maybe they i definitely think kids recognize things that their parents do that they don't think are the right way to handle things and they come up with their own sort of workarounds it's pretty hilarious either in school where she was clearly quoting bob marley she was going through a phase where bob marley was god bob marley yeah she was going through a phase where Bob Marley was God. Bob Marley? Yeah, she was going. I know, she loved Bob Marley to death. And she would, she went to this kid

who was crying because his mom had left and he was like in preschool or something. She was four. And she started rubbing the kid's back as the kid is crying.

And she said, don't worry about a thing. Every little thing is going to be all right. And I'm like, I know where you got that. That's Three Little Birds. That's hilarious.

And then she'll have her own weird things on that. One day she's in the car and she's asked me for the millionth time for Bob Marley. And I'm like, okay, no problem. What song do you want? And she's like, Two Little Birds. I'm like, no, baby, it's Three Little Birds. She's like, no, two. I'm like, what do you mean two?

It's three. No, one got shot. So now there's Two Little Birds. And I'm like, Jesus, baby, it's three little birds. She's like, no, two. I'm like, what do you mean two? It's three. No, one got shot. So now there's two little birds. And I'm like, Jesus, that's morbid. Really? That's how we're going to play today? Wow. But, yeah.

My daughter, who's four, keeps asking me to take her hunting. Really? Yeah. And I don't know if she's just serious or if she misses me when I go away. Right. And she wants to do, like, she's never heard a gunshot. Right. She just, you know, there's a lot, I mean, there's obviously no way she's just serious or if she misses me when I go away and she wants to do like she's never heard a gunshot right you know there's a I mean there's obviously no way she's gonna be able pull back an arrow that's strong enough to kill an animal so it's like that's not gonna happen no of course but step one would

probably get used to hearing gunshots yeah I don't know um she's just so bored What? Tell me. What do you need? Why the other time did I find you pinch? I pinch you. I pinch you because you were driving me crazy, puppy. That's why I pinch you. It was my way of saying stop squirming. He's saying settle down. We can't put on a show for you or something like that? A television show for you to watch?

Yeah, baby. Actually, let's do this. Serious. Sit down and watch your show because we can't do it like this okay well unfortunately this is being seen by thousands and heard by hundreds of thousands the failing of bolelli as a parent that's today's podcast there's nothing failing about it at all like i I said, that's one thing of becoming a father and being around kids. When I was really young, like if I was in my early 20s, I would never be able to deal with it. Like little kids, I'd be like, oh, the guy brought his little kid. But when I'm on a plane and little kids crying, it doesn't bother me at all.

It used to drive me crazy. But when you have kids, it's one of those things where you kind of recognize. to drive me crazy but when you have kids it's one of those things where you kind of recognize one of the things that happened the big shift that happened is i started thinking of everyone as being a baby at one point in time like one point in time king jong il was a baby you know right that's fucked up yeah you know like edie amin was a baby all these weird people in the world you know that fucking prestorius guy that shot his girlfriend through the bathroom door that guy was a baby yep okay you know all these creeps and fuck-ups and assholes babies gloria allred was a baby there was a cute little girl

now she's fucking robbing people using the law just straight up rob dudes how much do you think is how much do you believe in whether it is dna or a soul or something like something that's purely uniquely about that person when they are born and that's part of how they are or how much is culture you know the famous nurture versus culture debate what what's your take on what's more important in this i don't know well they have done studies where they've taken twins that were separated at birth, that were adopted, and they get them together after not seeing each other their entire life. And they find out they like the same kind of music.

Really? Yeah. They have very similar likes and dislikes. Their personalities are very similar. There's a strong argument for nature over nurture. Right. But there's no denying that nurture plays a huge role as well i don't think it's either or right i think we live in a soup

of possibilities and i think that you can get super lucky with the amount of exposure that you have to positive and even to negative things like there's an expression hard times make good people you know and i do believe that in a certain sense that there's some experiences that children and adults even have that they get through and it makes them more empathetic it makes them kinder makes them more understanding and it makes them stronger like more more character even that's why it's funny because you're right i mean there's part of that argument that's totally true. And you do see that happen a lot. And then you see somebody who goes through the exact same thing and it makes them 10 times more of an asshole.

Because it's like, I got hurt, so I'm going to hurt everybody else in the process and screw them. And it's like, that's where you think, like, what is the make? Does one person make a right turn and go in a direction where they become kinder and nicer because they felt what it is to get hurt, and what is the other one, make the complete opposite turn and go in a direction of, I got hurt, so I don't care for anybody else's feeling. Everybody has to pay for the fact that I got hurt once. It's weird, right? It's like there's that moment where you can really make a 90-degree turn one way or another.

What is the make? people make the choices they make it's a very good question and it could be a lot of it could be genetics i mean they're epigenetics the concept that people are passing down ideas through their dna to their children is is not without merit the idea that your, that the lessons you've learned in your life are not just stored in your brain, but are stored in every cell in your body. And also stored in your genetic material that passes on to your woman who gives birth to the baby. And the baby has the genetic material from both the mother and the father. I mean, all of that is real stuff, man. I mean, all of that is real stuff, man. Right. I mean, all that is, those are all absolute real possibilities.

And it's really incredibly fascinating, the idea that we are this, you know, soup of possibilities. We do exist in this very strange world of so many different things going on at the same time. And there is something to, yeah, you're right, because that's the experience part of it all, And there is something to, yeah, you're right, because that's the experience part of it all, where you get some kind of traumatic experience that really changes your makeup, the way you are as a person, as a human being. And it's like, and at that point, the kind, I mean, I've seen it even on myself, not, I'm dealing with it right now. I see how my brain has changed over the last three, four years, in some ways, in a good way, in some ways, really not in a good way. What ways in a bad way? I think I do have, I didn't think so, but now I'm coming to the realization that I do have some serious PTSD, you know, we're seeing, you know, my wife dying, my arms wasn't quite as, uh, Oh, I can deal with it. Sure. I rationally understand as shit happens and everything else else but it did affect me to a

different level so i know to give you an example i'll see that um because the way it started with there is like when she got sick the first thing that was was like a tiny little thing it's like oh my shoulder hurts it's like big deal right it's like well you went to the gym and you lift that too much whatever something seeing that transform in a matter of weeks to oh man i can't move my arm anymore oh i can barely walk death all of that in such a short period of time now every time there's something wrong with my body i don't just think like oh look at that weird little symptom that i'm having my mind immediately races through the whole sequence and i'm like i'm gonna die tomorrow of some horrible terrible disease and he's like i know better right i know that that's stupid and i know that that's if anything

that's like projecting things that are definitely not helping and if anything they are damaging and i still can't help it you know they're still part of my brain that even though consciously i know it's stupid i still go there every single time there's something wrong with my body wow and so it's like man what do i need to do to change that you know because it's almost like pavlo's dogs right it's conditional response is immediately the second something goes their path i go with it and uh and you know there are moments where i have control over it and i can kind of come to this place that's because i've seen horrible things can happen any moment i actually transcend it and i'm like look you have no control over anything so

let's have fun right here right now because what the hell knows what happened tomorrow right that's the empowering part of it and i love it when i get that and i don't love so much the other one which is that terror of oh shit something's something's going to happen, which, you know, inevitably something's going to happen at some point, right? I mean, everybody dies, everybody gets sick. That's just the nature of the business. But having that in the back of your mind as a sometime paralyzing thought, that's a whole different game.

That's part of the problem with being a human being, isn't it? The awareness. Yep. The awareness of the finite nature of your existence and the fact that it's coming. Yeah. Whether it's tomorrow or 100 years from now, it's coming. You know, if you told someone that they're going to die in 1,000 years, they'll still freak out. Of course.

1,000, that's it. That's all I have. Yep. Every year passes, 999 left. Shit. Totally. And I mean, that's just, you know it, but it's somewhat removed, right? There's that intellectual existential anxiety.

And then there's existential anxiety of a sort of like people who have seen, whether because of war or sickness or whatever, people close to them die in horrible ways. It's not just an intellectual or some point in the future or something bad is going to happen. It's in the past something bad is going to happen and any second now can happen. That's not a fun way to live. No, it's in the past something bad is going to happen and any second now can happen that's not a fun way to live no it's not the best way it's not it's not good in any sense of the word it's um living in the moment and being happy in the moment is very it's a it's a very difficult thing to do it requires it requires discipline and it also requires that you develop like a pattern of thinking yep and you, that's one of the things we were talking about with young people, like they automatically start blaming the world and hating on people for whatever has happened wrong to them.

I'm going to make people feel the way I feel. There's patterns of thinking that you can fall into like almost automatically. And once you have that pattern, it's a cut groove. And that groove is very easy to slip into it's very comfortable it's very simple one of the things that psychedelics do is pull you out of that groove exactly they they lift you above the motherboard and you get to see what the groove is oh this is just a pattern that i've created and it doesn't not only is not empowering it doesn't even make sense it's it's it's i'm gonna live my

life a fucking disaster i'm gonna 60 more years of this and then my fucking heart's gonna stop beating and i'm gonna die an asshole and that's very easy to fall into it's very easy it can happen to all of us if i go oh sorry go ahead i was just gonna say it's it's very hard to reset and even when you do reset it's hard to continue that new pattern it's like it requires great discipline and sometimes you got to write things down writing things down is big right now writing things down reading things positive affirmations nobody likes the idea that you go over someone's house and they have fucking all these things written on their walls they They're like, today is a new day. Today we're going to go forth with strength and dignity.

But doing stuff like that actually can benefit you. It can. Writing things on walls and, you know, having positive affirmations can help you. Yeah, because, I mean, some stuff, just because you know it doesn't mean that you don't need to hear it again and again to really internalize it because you know most people know i mean if you have read books if you have been alive long enough you probably know what there is to know you have heard it before yeah the difference is transforming that from intellectual knowledge into actual it's part of your being it's part of something that affects how you behave both uh obri and um amber lion gave me the lecture about psychedelics multiple times now regarding this is what you need now amber lion is a fascinating case boy she has i've never met

anybody that i gave the suggestions to like i gave to her where they just fucking ran with it like she did that shit changed her life amber is a trip she's a trip i didn't meet her before so i don't know what the before looked like before she was a very rational serious journalist who was very concerned about the future of humanity and our culture and and and journalism because she had seen the ugly side of the beast where she had reported on some horrific events in bahrain and when she got back and tried to uh put together the cnn piece they instead put out this fluff piece like almost like a tourism propaganda video for bahrain bahrain depending on how you say it um but then when i talked to her about ayahuasca which by the way i've never even done i totally

go do ayahuasca that was the funnest thing of the story that amber tells is like i'm in the middle of the jungle i'm about to down it and they say you know that you never done it right and she's like but i've done dmt a right dozen times at least probably nine ten or twelve yeah something like that but this is the same thing i mean it isn't but it is i mean it's the same psycho. I mean, it isn't, but it is. I mean, it's the same psychoactive substance. In fact, DMT, the smuggable form, is the stronger version of ayahuasca. But ayahuasca tends to be a long spiritual trip, which I thought would really benefit her. You know, that she was struggling from it. Right.

And it sure did. I mean, again, I haven't seen the before, but the after is insane. I mean, I'm very seriously one of those people that... She glows. Yeah. Every time I hang out, again, I haven't seen the before, but the after is insane. I mean, Amber is seriously one of those people that... She glows. Yeah. Every time I hang out with her, I feel happier. She's a drug. You know what I mean?

It's like being in the same room improved the level of happiness. Yeah. I'm amazed by her every time. I'm just like, are you for real? I mean, it's like I have never... I can't think of too many people that I've met that are that happy. Yeah. Well, she's doing psychedelics every couple months.

She's fucking hit it so hard. From the moment I met her, I guess it was like two plus years ago, more than two years ago, because we didn't have the studio. So from that moment on, when she went to the jungle, I mean, she went to the jungle like a fucking month after I brought her up, maybe even less. And even though they told her i didn't had never done ayahuasca she still fucking dove right in um i think i knew that i mean i told her to do

it and i knew that it was the thing that she needed and some people really need that they need to go to a place and they need to experience this thing in this very alien form and it's so transformative because of the fact you're in that place you know i mean i'm sure i could probably benefit from it but my what i like to do i mean my thing i have a sensory deprivation tank in my basement so i'm i'm sort of experiencing as as removed as the jungle might be i'm removing myself from reality itself on this daily basis not to say that i wouldn't still benefit from it but i wouldn't subscribe what i do right you know i wouldn't i wouldn't prescribe rather i wouldn't say what you need to do is get a tank filled up with water and you trip your fucking balls out and climbing that thing like i'm not doing that

right you know i i have friends that come over they don't want to do the tank they're like i'm not getting in there why what's so scary about it i mean reality's a fucking thing oh because they big fucking meat locker of reality you know i need to do that more the times that i've done it i mean i've always liked it i always felt great sober or no um yeah maybe that's my mistake have you been sober yeah maybe the first time is good to do it sober. But now it's time to up it. You know amateur. Right, gotcha. You know amateur.

So float tank with an asterisk. Gotcha. The asterisk is very important because whatever the asterisk can do, the asterisk can do in regular life. It's multiplied tenfold inside of there. Nice. Especially edibles. Edible marijuana becomes a full-blown psychedelic experience inside the tank. I can, especially edibles, edible marijuana becomes a full-blown psychedelic experience

inside the tank. You know, I can deal with edibles for some reason. It's like as much as... 11-hydroxy metabolite, that's what it is. Maybe that's the...

Because I've tried, every time I've tried edibles it's either too little where I don't feel it or I feel like somebody grabbed the biggest basketball bat in the universe

and just slagged me across the head. Not pleasurable, not fun, just like, oh my God, where am I? What the hell is this?ag me across the head. Not pleasurable, not fun, just like, oh my God, where am I? What the hell is this?

Those are my favorite trips. Really? You dig those? I do. I don't dig them while they're happening. Yeah. But when they're over,

I learn the most from them. I like being scared like that because I know I'm going to be okay, but I don't know I'm going to be okay while it's happening. I think I got trauma

when I was maybe 15 or 16 something like that i did this um i remember making this tea with ashish and we got a little carried away because there were supposed to be a bunch of people doing that and it turned out to be only two of us so the dose that was supposed to be for like i think it was like half a gram per person and instead it was two and a half gram per person that's a lot so by the time we down it you know an hour goes by with teddy balls is also messy because you don't feel it right away so an hour goes by and you're like nothing happening two hours goes by i'm like really nothing still what a waste we throw that stuff away i go to sleep i wake up two hours later and i'm just like who am i where am i and i pass out and i open up my eyes again i'm like who am i where Where am I? And I pass out. And I open up my eyes again. I'm like, who am I?

Where am I? And I pass out. And the next six hours go on like this, where I basically lose consciousness every 30 seconds. And I wake up with this, who am I? Where am I? thing.

After that, I was like, yeah, I don't think I'm doing too bad. And even other times that I've done, it was always not quite that bad, but close. And I'm like,

yeah, I don't think edibles are are meant for me well there's so many religions that have cannabis and cannabis eating as the base of their religion right hinduism there's so many uh so many passages in in ancient hindu scripts and like if you look up if you look up on on uh on like, Wikipedia, you can look up the entheogenic use of cannabis. It shows all these different times where people have used cannabis as a psychedelic. Like, not just, oh, we'll smoke a joint and relax. Right.

But when you eat it, you have these profound visions. If you eat enough, like, McKenna used to say that eating like large doses of marijuana was equivalent to eating large doses of mushrooms right it's just a matter of having the courage to eat too much go that route yeah you never get the crazy heart fast heart rate on uh on edibles you can yeah because you don't get a fast heart rate, but you get this panic sense. Like, I'm never going to sober up. Oh, but not as a physical thing. Because I felt it as a physical thing. Like I've done.

You get like a heart? Yeah. Where I feel my heart start pounding. Where I'm just like, Jesus, I'm going like 120 beats per minute or something. Which if you're not doing exercise, that's a bit much. I bet it's anxiety. That probably is. That probably is. probably is because it

brings on a lot of anxiety oh yeah heavy duty edibles make you really reconsider it's it's very difficult to live in the moment on heavy duty edibles because it forces you to examine problematic aspects of your past behavior assuming you still have enough lucidity because there are really times where i'm just like i'm not examining i'm not examining the table if i don't know who i am yeah oh yeah you can go too deep yeah i've done that with not too long ago with you know the rick simpson oil oh yeah yeah which supposed to be great for health and everything and you know the thing with the oil is that unless somebody's preparing it for you in capsules or something it's such a guesswork of trying to figure out which one how many drops you can put in yeah so i've done it where i take

a tiny bit and i feel nothing and i'm assuming it's healthy but whatever i'm not feeling anything and i take a tiny bit and one day i take a tiny bit plus a minuscule tiny micro drop more and i'm like hitting the trees right i'm just way out there and i'm like whoa well it's also who's making those things right of course it's not you know being made in the same place where they make teslas yeah that's yeah that's part of the part of the problem when that's why with itself you know when it's the plant you can kind of figure things out and when you're smoking it you can sort of feel how it's going and you can up it or stop it edible sees you take it and an hour later you're in for the surprise to see what it's like i was

listening to this radio show the other day where people were complaining about marijuana being stronger than it was when they were kids like this guy in his 50s who just recently tried marijuana again and he was talking about how he overdosed i overdosed on marijuana and i swear to god how do you exactly i almost went to the hospital i mean i barely got through it i mean you can't overdose i mean he was like going on like about the pot today right it's just dangerous like shut the fuck up what are you talking like the fact that someone can go on the air and say something like that that's bullshit it's what's it's it's not just like you could put a bad thought in someone's head and i really believe they could die from it unless they have a computer

how many people have died from arrow zero ever oh never i'm gonna be the first one i'm gonna be the first one to die oh shit i'm gonna fuck it all up for everybody else i'm gonna be the first one to die like there was a guy who died in colorado because he jumped off a roof and they were trying to get rid of edibles because the one fucking dipshit jumped off a roof but even then the thing is every single substance that's out there is uh even the most hell water if you drink too much water you can die from it right i mean it's like everything is how you use it, who's using it, what's the context. Every tool, cars, everything, skateboards, everything is how you lose it. I mean, if we based what kills you, you know, what's illegal, we would literally make everything illegal.

Oh, yeah. Cars would be number one, right? How about computers? People have died from using computers. Computers have blown up on people. Right. And they've died. Right. Cell phones have blown up in people's pockets, and they've been gravely injured.

Has anybody died from a cell phone? Let's find out. It sounds good anyway. Killed by cell phones. I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say killed by cell phones. While you're finding out about the cell phone, let me take care of the tiny monkey. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Don't answer the call while charging, urban legends. Man takes woman's cell phone after she's killed by train. Wow, that's dark. Man killed by cell phone explosion. Okay, let's see. Gizmodo. Man killed by cell phone explosion.

A Korean man was apparently killed by his LG cell phone today. And this was, by the way, in 2007. They probably got old shit back then. He was carrying the phone in his shirt pocket when it exploded, puncturing his heart and lungs. It happened in North Chungcheong Province of Korea as the man was working on a construction site. He was found dead by one of his co-workers. Whoa. Do you think his parents or his family got some money?

Wait, this was North Korea? Yeah. No, South Korea. South Korea? Yeah. It says a Korean man. North Chungcheong. It just says Korea.

It doesn't say North or South Korea. I'm assuming it's South Korea. Yeah, because in North Korea, I think they're about 252 years away from seeing cell phones. Yeah, this is... Yeah, no kidding, right? Poor bastards. That's one of the craziest things about 2014. That we still have a real live communist dictator running an entire country that's terrified.

Yep. Of this little goofy chubby moon face motherfucker i know who's the son of another goofy chubby moon face motherfucker yeah it's stuff like that just yeah or the isis guy i mean things that really belong to the middle ages they are like really we're still doing this shit come on really this is where and on one end you know you see humanity and we are so damn advanced and we are doing these amazing things. And on the other hand, we're doing still the same shit that we were doing 2,000 years ago.

Those ISIS guys, they release videos on YouTube too. Graphic, horrific videos on YouTube and then they don't get pulled until like, you know, weeks later people find out about them. Like, I don't know how how a video gets pulled from YouTube. Someone has to flag it, I guess. Yeah. And maybe they're only sending it to the people that they know or whatever, and it'll survive a while before. But somebody put something up, like, check this shit out.

And I went and clicked on the link, and I was like, Jesus, this is on YouTube? I know. It's these guys shooting each other, shooting these guys while they're on the ground and then cutting their heads off. Like, oh, very, very graphic. I was like, I can't, this is on YouTube? I know. These guys shooting each other, shooting these guys while they're on the ground and then cutting their heads off. Like, oh, very, very graphic. I was like, I can't believe this is on YouTube. There's stuff out there that makes you... I've seen one of the most disturbing things

I've ever seen was this one thing in like somewhere in Africa where somebody suspected of being witches. And so they grabbed these three people and set them on fire and you see them. After a while, I was like, you know what? Why the hell am I watching this? Done. Over. You know you know i know it happens i don't need to see it in it's nuts it's like a video straight out of the 1300s or something yeah in 2014 yep is all the progress

that we've gone through to get to this point in age and there's still some people that just you could take them you could shove them back to the year zero and they would fit perfectly comfortable yes yeah it's well that's there's that thing going on with human beings man that spectrum that the broad spectrum of behavior where it almost seems like you have to have like shitty people to appreciate the good people like i wonder if there's ever going to come a time where there's a legitimate biological utopia where human beings, where they achieve some form of enlightenment where everyone has reached the duh stage.

We're talking about this atheism plus. They rattle this onto themselves, but they should know better. They're all fucking educated and going to conferences and stuff like that. It's like they're preaching to the choir, essentially, or propping themselves up on a nice moral high ground in front of their peers. But there's going to come a time where the whole world is like that. Is that possible?

That would be. And I get what you're saying about you need the bad people to appreciate the good people. I get what you're saying about you need the bad people to appreciate the good people. If there's a general improvement of humanity going in a more pleasant direction, we don't need the bad people. Just give us the DVDs of showing us what this is what the bad people experience is like. And then you go, whoa, really? And, you know, make people very have a lot of empathy. So you watch movies and you get almost like the experience without having actually to deal with it. Because the whole rationale that you even hear religiously about how you need evil in order to appreciate the good.

To what degree, man? Because when you look about human history, there has been so much evil that is like, really? I could actually do with 100 of that, I will learn the lesson. I don't need to learn that same lesson over and over again in such brutal nasty fashion yeah there's something about the design of human history or nature for that matter because as you say multiple times i mean when you look at nature it's like it's not a soft fuzzy happy animals running around the forest is brutal is fangs and clothes and the whole thing and it's like yeah maybe if it's about appreciating the good stuff,

there would be a gentler way to go about it. Do we really have to go this hardcore to make it happen? Yeah, nature is the most vicious motherfucker of all. Yep. My friend was telling me about watching this bear kill this female bear. He was watching these grizzly bears. They were observing them. And this male was trying to mate with this female grizzly bear.

And the grizzly bear didn't want to mate with him. She kept pushing him off and yelling at him. And he kept trying so hard to get her to mate with him. But she didn't want to do it. Right. And then a new grizzly bear, a new female, came into the picture. And the new female came into the picture and started trying to get him to mate with her. Right.

And he got angry that she was distracting him, so he murdered her in front of the other bear. Just tore her apart. Just like that. Just ripped her to shreds. And he said, it was the craziest thing because all of a sudden this bear had its feet up in the air and it was just dead. Right. Like within seconds. Like a few seconds ago it had wandered into the camp you know or into this uh little valley where these bears were

and uh tried to get this bear to me and he he's a biologist so he was you know observing this stuff or if he's not a biologist he works with biologists and he was observing this stuff he said it was one of the most disturbing things he's ever seen in his life. He's a hunter. He's lived his whole life hunting. And, you know, death is a normal, natural part of life to him. But this, to him, freaked him out more than anything he'd ever seen. I bet. Because he said it was so brutal and it was so instantaneous. You know, it's just really crazy, man. Did I ever tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks?

Ducks? I didn't tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks? I don't tell you about the rapist necrophiliac ducks i don't think so i have to tell you god so you know cute little ducks they are adorable i remember seeing ducks being born hatching out of an egg and i'm like i'm never eating egg again then you know i'm never eating duck again poor little you know you got into this romanticized cute fuzzy thing right right and then i start reading about ducks that apparently um male ducks are particularly fond of raping female ducks and um but this is where it gets interesting so they go i'm sure maybe you have seen them in these super high speed chases where the female is running

and there's like two or three male run flying right behind her and in doing these high speed chases occasionally the female take the wrong turn and she crashes into something a tree or a wind or something and then she uh she break her neck and die immediately but you know body's still warm so the wannabe rapist ducks on poor sweets decide ah what the hell we don't want to waste this so and they just got on and have sex with the dead corpse after that i'm like ducks are back on the menu motherfuckers because you guys are mean and horrible and i'm going to eat you again maybe they should show that to all those people that are trying to keep people from eating fogwa right you know that's a weird thing that california has california has a law where you're not allowed to eat duck liver but you can eat ducks yeah because they

were force feeding these ducks get their liver to grow and people found out to be unbelievably cruel i guess crueler than killing them right and eating them like force feeding them to get their livers to grow larger was crueler than killing them and eating them i'm fucking okay i mean you know the stuff that's done in um raising animal at an industrial level tend to be pretty fucked up which is why even people whine about that but they do anything related to whether you have leather or you eat any kind of meat is ridiculous because it's like hunting is a lot cleaner that way you know you let an animal have its life be free and everything else commercial farming yeah there's some nasty stuff happening. At the same time, you know, there are limits to how far you want to take it because there are not too many simple, clean, painless, easy ways to do things that still deliver the goods that people rely on.

So it's a very, that's why it's the same thing as the stuff we were saying earlier. Any kind of dogmatic position about this, either the screw animals, they are just here for us to use, and who cares whether they suffer horribly, or the poor little bunnies, you can't touch anything. They are both ridiculous, right? They both have a point, and they are both ridiculous if taken too far. Have you ever seen the video of a woman, she walks into a restaurant and tells everyone in the restaurant that what they're eating is not food.

It's violence. No. And she goes in and she tells everybody about her little girl. I want to tell you about my little girl. And it's a chicken she's talking about. Oh, God. And her name is Snow. Have you seen it?

Have you seen it, Jamie? No. Oh, let me find it for you. We should play it because it's just so ridiculous. No, that's not food. It's violence. Are you done, kid? We can end this.

And next time you come by, I'll bring my daughter. Daughters. And we'll have a little party. Vegan rant goes viral. This isn't food. It's violence. by I'll bring my daughter the others and we'll have a little party they come play and rant goes viral this isn't food it's violence pull this up and and we'll have you seen what Bill Cosby did yesterday I was just if you don't know what's going on about Bill Cosby Bill Cosby i'm going to be very careful how i phrase this allegedly has raped a large number of women and allegedly has drugged these women and i mean

i find it hard to believe that 13 women would make something right that's a large number i mean there would have to be some massive conspiracy dating back to the 1970s that's just now being uncovered so he put this thing on his website yesterday like me go ahead and meme me with a photo of him and you know the meme being the the print that you can add a meme generator and his said happy monday and these people just went crazy i mean it it went it got so ugly like i mean one of them was uh like when the first one was like more than a dozen women have accused me of rape like how can i hear you say no because he's got like headphones on what do you mean you're pressing charges i mean it's it's these are the mild ones well but i mean what was he thinking you know it's he's These are the mild ones But I mean What was he thinking You know

He's a fucking idiot What the hell was he thinking Or A lot of people believe That Someone who works for him Did it on purpose Really

Yeah That someone who works for him Knew that it was gonna Like someone who is like A website designer Yeah We gotta think Like website designers

A lot of times Younger people And maybe Even a woman Right You know Who like was like this fucking piece of shit. I can't believe I'm working for him or a guy who's sympathetic to what's going on and says, look, how do I get this fucker? That would actually be genius. That's what happened. That's great.

I mean, they put a bunch of them that were like really cute on his website. cute on his on his website like they they took some of the ones that people had created that were pg rated but the amount that were rape related was staggering well of course i mean what's the fate like in the news what's has been like what have you heard about him in the news over the last year has been this story right so it's like of course that's what's gonna pop up of course that's what's gonna happen and no one Of course, that's what's going to happen. And no one is pressed charges. I wonder how you could, because it seems strange, you know? It seems like if you don't have the physical evidence, but you have 13 people telling a similar story, I wonder how that works.

Depends also from how long ago it is. Yeah. Because that's also... Statue of limitations? Is there a statute of limitations on rape? I'm hesitant. You know what? long ago it is. Yeah. Because that's also... Statue of limitations? Is there a statue of limitations on rape? I'm hesitant. You know what? I think it is.

I think it is. I think there is. Isn't that what saved that Seventh Heaven guy? That's exactly what... It is, right? There's a statue of limitations on rape? That's what I think there is. Then why is there a statue of limitations on something so horrible?

I know. It becomes tricky, though, because, of course, once you wait to report it, all physical evidence is gone. And then you have to rely on a lot thinner kind of evidence. That's a lot harder to make the case. There's also the thing about memory that we discussed earlier. That human memory is one of the worst pieces of evidence you could ever get. There are people that I have had experiences with where they'll go, hey when we did this and did that and blah blah blah i'm like we never even did that like what are you talking about i was never even there with you yep no you went

with us like listen man i've never been to south dakota right stop like it didn't happen yeah or they remember the wrong state or their memory i mean people's memories are fucking terrible they're awful do you have this video yeah okay we'll play this and then we'll give her a chance just look at she looks she's done we did like an hour and a half that's all good like you got to see this watch this video put your headphones on so you can hear this though but it's not plugged in anymore yes of course hold on a second give it a chance did she yank it out of course like okay we'll just play this and then we'll end it. This is just so ridiculous. This woman walks in this restaurant and there's a whole group of people behind her. She walked into a restaurant where people are eating.

I have a little girl. She was very abused for her entire life. She was terrified. She has a very determined look in her eyes wherever she goes. And she was hurt and abused her entire life. She was terrified. She has a very determined look in her eyes wherever she goes. And she was hurt and abused her entire life because of this establishment and because of establishments like it. She was locked away. She was hidden. She had nobody there for her. She was crying. She was scared every single moment moment And because her usefulness had run out She was going to be killed

Someone was going to murder her And I can see you smiling And I can see you laughing But to her this is not funny I went in there with other humans And I took her out of there And if I hadn't she wouldn't be with me right now She would be gone

Just like all of her sisters Just like everybody who we left behind And I'm here to tell you today That all those other girls, but everyone who we left behind they just wanted to live too And they deserve their lives to live too and they deserve their lives and right now their eggs and their milk and their bodies are on plates inside this restaurant and it's so unfair to them. My little girl's name is Snow and every time you see someone eating somebody else's eggs or somebody else's body you are going to remember her name.

Her name is Snow. She's a beautiful little girl and she just wants to live. This isn't food. It's violence. This is the best part. They all come in and they all have a sign. It's not just to say it. They have to have a sign. They hold up a sign. It's not food! It's violence! Please think of her name every time you see somebody's body

on a plate. These meek, fucking pathetic people that are just so lucky their ancestors ate meat to get them to 2014. Idealistic little kids. I love how in this video that you have the temptations in the background.

Say, my girl. And you're like, you have this old man. That's perfect. But it's crazy. She has this determined look in her eyes. I know. She goes, no, she doesn't.

Okay, her expression never changes. She's a fucking chicken. God damn it. Crazy lady. That is one of my favorite videos ever. Yeah. Because she's just so bonkers. Like, I see you smiling.

Gee, I wonder why we're smiling. Maybe because you're kind of crazy. You're walking into a chicken restaurant with more people. Jamie's right. There's more people came with her than were in the restaurant. Right. She must have caught it at like 2 in the afternoon, some off hour. Right.

It's like, it was just so strange. But she's a little girl. She has this determined look in her eye wherever she goes. And she just wants to live. And people are eating her eggs. Guess what? I eat my chickens' eggs. And they don't care at all.

You know why? Because the eggs don't become a chicken, you fucking dunce. Yike. They're just eggs. When you have chickens, you can have chickens as pets. They provide you with free protein. You give them food. And they give you protein that doesn't hurt anybody.

It doesn't harm them. They lay eggs every day right this idea that then you're their milk no no no there's no chicken milk you can't i've never seen chicken and if there is a stay away from me yes they don't breastfeed but this you know that is the spectrum that's the spectrum i mean sensitivity is important and understanding of nature is important. I mean, I've been accused, especially lately, over the last couple of years since I started hunting, of being cruel, of doing it because you enjoy killing animals. I don't at all.

I mean, I enjoy hunting. I enjoy bringing home the meat. I actually think that the killing of of the animals the worst part of it the the the fact that you're able to take an animal out of nature though like in in the most natural environment possible like if i didn't exist that animal would be doing the exact same thing until i came along there was no influence whatsoever on its life and then all of a sudden boom it ends which is going to end by wolves it It's going to end by, especially where I was. I was up in Canada where they have so many wolves up there,

they have no limit on how many wolves you can shoot. Serious. That big of a wolf population. Huge population problem. Huge. Like they have elk, they have deer, they have moose, and wolves are just killing them left and right. When we were up there, we actually came upon, we saw all these ravens that were floating around this one area.

So we're trying to figure out what it was that they were attracted to. So we went over to it and we found this moose calf that had been torn apart by wolves. This is the moose calf. I'll put it up on my Instagram later so you guys can see because you're not going to be able to see. Not much left. Oh, it's just mangled. It was crazy.

And it was wolves. Wolves had taken it from its mother. Right. And they just figured out a way to get a hold of it and just ripped it apart. Of course. And devoured it. And there's hair all over the ground and everything.

That's the reality of that life. The wolves get it and then what's left, the coyotes get ground and everything that's the reality of that life the wolves get it and then what's left the coyotes get that and then what's left you know any other scavengers get that that is a much more likely death than by hunter yeah the hunter death is the least likely yeah absolutely and in that sense again to me is like everything is gonna die as long as you're not doing where you're wiping out the species and as long as you're not doing where you're wiping out the species, and as long as you're not doing where you are adding unnecessary pain to the process, then that's the nature of the business. Well, what this woman is doing by running into that restaurant and saying,

it's not food, it's violence. Like, you're kind of, you're missing the whole point. You're missing, it's not violence. They're ending life so that you could eat it and yeah it's kind of a crazy way to do it because we're detached from it you're right about that yeah but again that's like a shitty communication strategy because i'm sure she can have part of a point where she's right because there are issues with commercial farming that are nasty terrible but you know there's a way to communicate it where you or i would be like,

oh, you're right, you make a good point, so maybe we can tweak the laws a tiny bit to do it in a more humane way. Totally agree. You go like this, you're preaching to the choir. You only have like 10 other people who feel the exact same way you do agree with you. Even if somebody's 80% your way,

they're going to look at you and go like, whoa, you really went off the deep end there. Well, she's emotionally unbalanced. And on top of that, that leads people to want to kill more chickens. It really does. I mean, I have this guy that I'm friends with up in Alaska or in BC, rather, that runs this hunting camp. And he would get these death threats from people because they would be hunting wolves. And the reason why they hunt wolves, they had one of their cows torn apart by wolves right these 30 wolves got a hold of a cow and ripped it apart

while the people were in the house and they're hearing right they look out the window and they they see these wolves bringing down a cow and kill that is crazy stuff man to look out your window and see this 2 000 pound animal get taken out by this pack of wild, murderous animals. It's got to be pretty cool, but also pretty goddamn terrifying. That's fantastic. And people do get killed by wolves. And they certainly did in large numbers back in the day, which is why the Little Red Riding Hood, the Big Bad Wolf. We don't think about that today because it's not an issue, but there was many, many times throughout history where wolves had killed people.

If you Google wolf deaths by people, before we had eradicated large populations of the wolves, there was actually a ceasefire in World War I. Yeah, I remember that story. The Germans and the Russians actually called a ceasefire because so many of them were getting killed by wolves. They said, all right, let's just stop killing each other. Fuck these wolves up and then go back. First, and then we can go back to killing each other. Yes. That's how nutty wolves are.

So these people were sending this guy death threats. And he said, every time you send me a death threat, I'm going to shoot a wolf in the guts. Right? And so they stopped sending him death threats they stopped posting it this woman was like i'm gonna post on your page every day if you ban me i'm gonna make a new name right he goes okay every time you do that i'm gonna shoot a wolf in the guts silence yeah i figure that that take care of business yeah i mean there's there really is a way of communicating where it's just like you think it's funny she thinks it's fun She thinks it's funny. Ha-ha, shooting the gut. Ha-ha, so funny.

I mean, there's really a way to communicate that gets the job across. It's like most people like to communicate in a preach-to-the-choir kind of way. Most people will communicate in a way that's not considering where you are coming from, the person they are talking with. They're only considering where they are coming from. And they want you to feel what they're feeling and think what they're thinking only. They want to force their ideology on you. In that sense, like, veganism or vegetarianism

is sort of a religion, just like we're talking about atheism, plus is a religion, and so is being a Christian, and so is being a Mormon. It's ideology. It's all thought processes. You could label it and call it a religion. You could label it, call it a cult. You could label it, call it a cult. You could call it whatever you want. But it's just thought processes, thought patterns that you want other people to think.

You don't want them to express themselves and you can look at it from their point of view. No, you just want them to know, and you're right. This is not food. It's violence. No, it's food. It actually is food. It's fucking chicken and i'm about to eat and you're you crazy bitch you came in with all these meek fucking low blood sugar freaks

holding up signs thinking you're gonna change the world you're not changing shit go get a job what are you guys doing here at two o'clock in the afternoon how are you feeding yourself do you have jobs what are you doing your fucking parents are putting you through school is that what's going on here and the thing there is like how many people's minds have you just changed by doing zero 0.0 so it's like even if you believe that you're 100 right in your message go back to the drawing board and look at that what you just did is bullshit because it doesn't lead to any single person being convinced so figure out a better communication strategy because you suck yeah she needs to get on some ayahuasca the fucking elves would let her know chickens are gonna die no matter what bitch yeah i last time i did dmt i asked them about

hunting i asked and they're like okay whatever that's literally what they said okay whatever i went into and i had this this thought in my head i was like uh is is hunting and is it is it morally acceptable? Is there anything wrong with hunting? They're like, it's fine. Who cares? They're showing me all these different things about life. They're like, look, you're going to die.

It all dies. Everything dies. It all goes into this thing. And they're showing me all this fractal reality. And I felt silly for asking that question. But I have to tell you about my one and only DMT experience, which was pretty funny because I did it with Duncan. Oh.

You know, Duncan is hitting it, and he's like seeing God in the universe, and he has this beatific smile on his face, and he's just like, ah. And I'm just like, I'm looking at him, and I think, you are the goofiest bastard I've ever seen, and I'm just laughing my ass off, but I'm not seeing, you know, I'm not are the goofiest bastard I've ever seen. And I'm just laughing my ass off, but I'm not seeing, you know, I'm not having the same and I keep hitting it.

So I'm like, there should be. And at one point I think, whoa, my perception is changing. I am beginning to envision because I see the Duncan ceiling is all warped and weird. And then eventually I come down from the experience and I realized that Duncan ceiling is really just warped and weird. That is just.

So it wasn't working on you? It was working in the sense that it was like the biggest, it was like the biggest weed high in the universe. I had like big body high, you know, I felt it really like sinking into the couch and melting into the couch. And I felt it that like everything was hilarious, but I did not have a single visual. Nope, not one. And, you know, I took as, but I did not have a single visual. Nope, not one. And, you know, I took as much as Duncan did. And, again, he was out there, you know, spacing out with the creators of the cosmos and having a discussion. And you were, like, passing it back and forth.

So it's like you're getting it at the same time. You know, they do say that there's a certain percentage of people it doesn't work on. And I'm sure that maybe, you know, the next time you take one more. I mean, even with Quid, it's like a lot. A lot. doesn't work on and i'm sure that maybe you know the next time you take one more what i mean even it's like a lot a lot it was after a while i was getting mad i was like come on man it's like you know it's like but i've seen it even with weed where i'm like i'll smoke i'll take a hit of weed and in the afternoon or in the evening and i'm like i barely affect me it's pleasant you know it's really pleasant but in a very mild kind of way if i do it before lunch i'm in another universe i did

it once i made this horrible mistake with david seaman like before a podcast he offered me a hit and i took a hit and i didn't eat before and all of a sudden i'm in the middle of this podcast that he's like i hear him talk and he i hear that his voice is coming the sentence is coming to an end and i'm just like oh fuck i have no idea what i just said i don't know what i'm gonna say oh my god you know it's still me same substance one hit versus 10 in another case and the 10 were like it's like i don't know it's also different kinds of weed too you can get a hold of some really strong stuff but that's the dmt thing's weird that it worked on duncan and not you yeah i wonder if maybe it's uh one of those things man one of those things where you

have that thing where you don't it doesn't work on you i don't know maybe we'll find out i'll i'll report after the next one young lady you have amazing patience i'm very impressed with you we're gonna end this podcast now because you're just going to squirm yourself into a coma. You earned a kiss. Can I give you a kiss now? Yeah, give Daddy a kiss. All right. Thanks, your love.

Daniela, you're awesome. Next time we do this, let's do it again, and we'll bring my kids, and we'll have a little party. You'll hear a bunch of screaming back there. Yeah, that's much more less boring. Much more less boring. I agree. What I'm going to do is speak it out. I'm going to say,

Dada, could you not take me home? Yeah, that's how we're going to do it. All right. Thank you, brother. And your podcast, let people know how to get a hold of you on Twitter and your podcast. D. Bolelli is in my first initial, Daniel,

as in D-B-O-L-E-L-L-I on Twitter. And then podcast is The Drunken Taoist with a T-T-A-O-I-S-T. If you just look up danielebolelli.com, which is Daniel plus an E at the end, B-O-L-E-L-L-I, that probably refers you to everything else. So that would be the easy route. And I'll just throw out there now, I'm working on a second podcast that's going to happen at some point. There's a...

If you dig hardcore history, you may dig this one. But, you know, that's... Right now is on the back burner because I have to finish writing a book. I have to... 17,000 things to take care of. But hopefully by the beginning of the year,

something moves. Beautiful. All right, man. Thank you, brother. I really appreciate you coming on here, especially under tight circumstances like this. We'll make it happen next time, okay? I'll bring my kids.

Thanks so much. A little kid party. Sound good? Yeah, much better. And then we have to go. And then we have to go. Talk, talk, talk. Good night, everybody.

We'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow we'll be on with Dr. Mark Gordon, who's going to talk about traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder in soldiers. We're actually bringing on one of his patients. We're going to talk about his experiences. And hopefully we could help some other folks out there that are experiencing a very similar situation. So tomorrow. Much love.

See you soon.