The Joe Rogan Experience - #580 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

Episode Date: November 26, 2014

Unbox Therapy is a YouTube channel "where products get naked." Lewis does in-depth reviews of new tech products releasing to the consumer market.  http://www.youtube.com/unboxtherapy

the Joe Rogan experience that's my new voice Lewis is here from unbox therapy sweating all our beautiful new equipment that doesn't work. Especially our new fucking super awesome HD setup. We were supposed to be live in HD by now, but someone fucked us. They sold us this fucking Sony HD box that's supposed to work great with Ustream. Doesn't fucking work at all with Ustream. Not only does it not work with Ustream, it's never been proven work great with Ustream. Doesn't fucking work at all with Ustream. Not only does it not work with Ustream, it's never been proven

to work with Ustream. Ustream's never got one from them to test it. Lies! And propaganda! At least it's pretty looking, though. Yeah, it looks dope as fuck, so we'll probably wind up going with a TriCaster, because this fucking sack of shit isn't working

correctly. And we're watching... Look, we talked about Zero before the podcast started that has anything to do with tech. Everything was about sexual allegations, sexual assault allegations, whether or not someone should be rioting,

whether or not these fucking idiots that are closing down the 101 freeway in la to protest something that happened in another state it's crazy times yeah what is that about all these crazy white it's all white people that are protesting like in have you seen new york city in new york city as well oh yeah they won't show it on the news because it's like everyone's like it's all white people it's all these like wow emo white people social justice warriors demanding justice yeah yeah yeah i don't know it's rampant everybody's everybody's trying to latch on you know to express themselves through this high profile situation well i think that there's no doubt there can be no doubt that there's a real issue with police brutality there can be no doubt

there's many instances and this is not the best one you know jamie was talking about it before the podcast that the 12 year old boy who was shot in cleveland with a fake gun a toy gun like seconds after the cops arrived yeah that is way scarier to me that kid that was shot in a walmart who had a toy gun that is way scarier to me you know they're not even asking questions talking trying to find out what's going on they're just shooting yeah it's fun it's a funny thing about like which news stories prevail yeah and become the the mainstream ones they need to be this this sort of perfect and appealing package that people want to share and talk about and sort of that drives conversation the really like obviously terrible ones that

nobody has you know the like it's hard to have an opinion about that other than that's terrible yeah when when it comes to like a kid being shot with a toy gun yeah versus the other the other situation in uh michael brown yeah the the Michael Brown situation where, for some reason, there's these defined sides on that thing. There's very little gray area for discussion. It's like, pick your team. We were talking about this before the show, but I was watching on Twitter a white rapper and a black guy arguing,

and the black guy was on the side of the cop that shot the kid the and you know wasn't an asshole wasn't a republican he was saying look the reality is this guy had robbed a store just before then had been involved in a bunch of criminal type behaviors and there's witnesses saying that he charged the cop like you don't know what happened Right and the the white rapper was arguing with him and he was saying You are blind to the facts in your desire to be down Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, which had to hurt the white rapper right no black eye accuses you of fucking posing But there's I mean that that's but that's what's happening in the street right now, isn't it?

I mean, it's the same thing. It's that it's appealing for people to latch on to a cause in order to help try to identify themselves. Yeah. You know, to get something out of it, to get some kind of... That's a very good way of defining it. Yeah, to get some kind of... I don't know, like this kind of a win can be a success for them,

that they can express themselves through these kinds of issues. But obviously it's not just about a cop shooting a guy, right? Right. It's like, in this particular case, it appears to me that it's part of a much bigger issue, and specifically that area, and probably the way of life there. Like, is it really... you need to be a certain kind of person to just jump on a riot train right like oh wicked perfect i'm let's burn down more shit right yeah and i mean sometimes it'll be it's not necessarily just race sometimes it'll be a

certain set of circumstances like a sports team loses and people go crazy and start smashing cars and whatever and it it somehow attracts other people to that to that agenda i remember uh in toronto during i think it was the g20 summit when it was like the first time ever people had like smashed when i was living downtown at the time and i had uh i had my first kid will and he was little. And I remember sitting at home inside and knowing that people were out there smashing windows going like, how in the God's name are these people justifying it? How do they believe for a moment that smashing a Starbucks is what's going to change anything? Yeah. I mean, it's such a weird way to try and get what you want. Is it any – it's not even a... I don't know.

It seems to me like the equivalent of kicking and screaming as an adult. Oh, it's even worse. It's so idiotic. There was a Twitter post today that I read where this guy was standing in front of a BMW dealership in Oakland, California. Which, by the way, is nowhere fucking near Ferguson. And the windows were smashed. Right. And it said windows were smashed. Right. And it said, fuck corporations.

Right. Fuck corporations! Let me tell you something, you dumb cunt. You wrote that on a phone that was made by a fucking corporation, you piece of shit. There you go. You fucking dunce. And you broadcast the damn picture via another corporation that allowed you to even have the voice to reach the people that you ended up reaching with it. What has BMW done besides make awesome cars?

What have they done that's so terrible besides making fantastically engineered automobiles that you couldn't possibly come up with yourself? Yeah, I don't know specifically, but I think it is very strange that people pick and choose which corporations are there for them and which ones are against them. Because ultimately, this entire economic ecosystem is what allows everyone to survive and what allows anyone to have any kind of well-being. It's not perfect. Everybody knows that. But when you burn down the McDonald's in in your neighborhood you're taking away jobs from the people that actually need them you know what i mean like or the walmart or whatever whatever it was that the destruction that's happening over there it's like by by force you want to throw a

tantrum but at the same time the consequence is bigger than you personally. There are, I'm sure, plenty of upstanding citizens who just wanted to go back to work. And this corporation that you're angry with is actually something that people rely on. In the case of this BMW dealership, I mean, you're talking about such an unrelated institution. Yes. So unrelated. Yes. Starbucks, there's people that were guarding Starbucks and we're freaking out fuck Starbucks you know

what about the people what about the people people pay for that stuff you know Starbucks is a franchise yes like someone owns it they had to earn money save it get a bank loan go out of the way hire employees put together a business model I mean jesus fucking christ this childlike view of the world and this is not exonerating police this is not and i feel for the police because i think their job is almost impossible to be a cop in a crime-ridden area is almost impossible there's almost nothing you can do to stem the tide. Unless you could go back in time and somehow or another, not even the parents of the children who grew up to be criminals, but the parents of the parents of the children that grew up to be criminals, and somehow reach them.

reach them somehow educate them or provide them with some sort of counseling or some some factor that's going to change the way they view the world and view community and view each other and give them opportunity give them some sort of a way to not be involved in a life of crime not be involved in a life of crime, not be involved in these horrible, cyclical, repeating relationships that seem to occur in these terrible areas. Right. I mean, there's so many factors. Yeah, and in many cases, the areas themselves reinforce the behavior through various means. Like, I used to watch The First 48. Have you ever seen that show?

behavior uh through various means like i used to watch the first 48 have you ever seen that show and you get to see how like immediately after a crime takes place what the cops are working with uh as far as the the evidence but also uh the witnesses and trying to get anybody to say anything about what happened but on like a super core fundamental, if you don't want to tell the police that you know who killed somebody, is that really any different than participating, than being a part of it? It's so weird to me that that's considered to be an acceptable thing amongst that community. Right? The no snitching thing. The no snitching thing. Yeah.

It's like, hmm, that to me just sounds like you're afraid. Yeah. That to me just sounds like the actual power within that group doesn't lie within the police or authority or whoever, but it lies somewhere else. But you're somehow justifying it to yourself by saying, oh, I really am participating because I chose not to snitch. Well, if you live in that community, though and you did snitch the consequences would be dire I mean, it's not something that's like an easy thing to stand up for if you're living in a crime-ridden community sure And but then you also shouldn't expect anything to change boy, that's it's weird to put the onus on the

The people that are poor and that are living in these areas. I see what you're saying. I don't, I mean, it's not completely that way. Obviously, there are things that could happen surrounding that world that could help it out. But ultimately, to get yourself up out of there, it has, doesn't it have to be? I mean, who can really walk into that community who's not a part of it and change something? It's not like part of it and change something? It's not like you're wanted there.

You know, it's not like when the police go in there, they're treated in a certain way because maybe the life they lead is so different than that of the individuals in that lifestyle themselves, you know? Well, also that us versus them mentality gets cemented it gets cemented in in terms of sports teams so imagine how crazy it gets when you're dealing with crime-ridden neighborhoods and police it's so hard to break free of yeah i worked as a security guard for a very short period of time when i was a kid and um it was a place called great Woods. It's like a concert place in Massachusetts. And one of the things that I remember really clearly is realizing that we had all developed this us versus them mentality.

There was these crazy drunk concert goers who would cause trouble and do all kinds of crazy shit, and then there was us. And we had developed this very clear us versus them mentality. I saw people act on this against people that weren't a problem you know and i remember watching it you know kind of step back from it but a part of it as well because i'm wearing a security outfit i'm going okay we're doing like cop shit this is like what cops do yeah and then

i was thinking like man i wonder if that's just like what happens and you know that stanford study that they did where they took uh they they they did like a prison study where they put people in jail and they made one group become security guards and one group become prisoners i believe it was stanford wasn't it stanford i think that sounds right um but they they had to call it off like they had to cut it short because the people that were the guards had been so shitty to the fucking people that were the prisoners they were like well this is like inherent human behavior or something like that it's almost like there's a a pattern that people slide into that unless they're really consciously aware of not doing it.

Yeah, the Stanford Prison Experiment. Wow. Yeah, and it was really eye-opening to a lot of people. Yeah, power is a very corrupting thing, right? Especially that kind of ultimate power, like someone's in jail, or you have a gun, and you can shoot them, and you're allowed to. Yeah, it's an unfortunate thing that that's the only way to govern ourselves that we that we're forced to to do so at the end of a gun like yeah right you hope that that that doesn't have have to have to happen frequently but ultimately that's part of what's holding this whole damn thing together. I drive down the highway to get here, and it's like, Jesus, everybody is in their lane,

all of these different mechanisms at play to keep order, to keep things happening in a smooth sort of way. And yeah, there's crazy shit going on elsewhere, but we've also done one hell of a job of having the vast majority of people comply. Yes. Based on the system. Yeah. That's something that people overlook when they think about chaos in modern society. Like, God is so safe and organized.

Yes. In comparison to the number of people you're dealing with. I was in Mexico City recently. Right, for the UFC. Yeah. First time? Yeah. Wow.

And Mexico City is, first of all, everybody thinks like, oh my God, you're going to get kidnapped. oh my God, you're going to get kidnapped. Oh my God, you're going to get shot. First of all, they are the nicest people. Mexicans in Mexico City are so friendly. They're so nice. But their version of order and our version of order are very different.

You know what? Stop lights optional. Yeah. Grid lock. You know how we have grid lock? Occasionally someone fucks up and they get stuck in an intersection when the light changes, and everybody beeps at them. In Mexico, there is only gridlock.

There's no getting out of it. The lights change, and it's just bumper to bumper in both directions. And I saw people that were trying to merge, and they would just pull in. They would just pull in front of everybody. You're talking about six, seven lanes, And these people would just pull into the lane. And people would just sort of stop. And some people wouldn't stop. And then they'd have to pull forward.

And it was fucking craziness. And I'm laughing. I'm talking to the guy that was driving. And I was like, is this normal? And he's like, no, no, this way in America. I'm like, no. No, in America, when it's a red light, people actually stop. It's amazing. It is amazing how light, people actually stop. Yeah. It's amazing.

It is amazing how well-trained we actually are. Yeah. I mean, a light comes up and everyone complies. It's a very minor outlier that actually disobeys that, even though it's a fairly simple thing, and most of the time, no one's probably going to die. Yeah. But it's just, it seems like when you're relatively well taken care of it's so much easier to just fucking comply yes and when you when everything's okay when your belly is full and

you know your children are safe the minute that you take away the necessities all it's like yeah let's go there's a thin veneer yes civilization oh it is and you get like these crazy people like zombie apocalypse type people like it's all gonna crumble yeah but truthfully speaking how much would it take you know i mean it's not like you need a complete collapse of the infrastructure to get people panicking i remember that big blackout on the east coast a few years back where it knocked gas stations out it knocked most people's houses houses out, and people were running their air conditioners too much. And the panic was real. People had to talk to each other one-to-one and be like,

which pizza place still has food? Which ovens are running off propane? It was dipping quick, and that was like a week. My friend Tommy was in Connecticut When that big snowstorm hit And he was telling me how they had to drive Hours just to use a cell phone Right

You had to drive like two hours To find a cell phone service Crazy You had to find food Like we went He was saying that we went to You know he and his girl Had went to Dunkin Donuts for food

And there was a giant line Outside of Dunkin Donuts Because it was the only place That had anything to put in your body. Exactly. Any calories. That's exactly what happened in my area when it originally happened. Essentially, you had one pizza place feeding the entire community until they ran out.

But it really exposes the fact that we have such... This kind of gets into the world of technology but like basic skills like sort of just being a human skill survival skills weak yeah in general in general across society if we were forced to rely on our own means to deal with like abc jesus take take away the cell phone on its own. I mean, we were talking about doing a video like 24 hours without technology, like maybe we'll get a map and we'll have a set of challenges, like try not to use your phone. But thinking about that as I was on my way out, I mean, I'm on Google Maps, I'm analyzing traffic, I'm rerouting based on accidents right it's like take that away and

how much more ineffective am i at participating in all of that yeah i have a friend who doesn't use the navigation systems he still uses maps wow i looked in his car and i go where's your navigation system and he goes and he rolls out the old paper map well he's an author too i mean he's a he's a wealthy guy right and he goes he goes, I just don't want to deal with it. I go, you want to deal with what? Things that are awesome? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, you don't want to be a part of the new information that's coming your way that tells you how to be more convenient?

Yeah. More efficient. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you can get around this accident. Don't you want to know it's there? Mm-hmm. Like, why would you? So what do you think that's about?

Wanting to be living in the fucking past. It's like longing for nostalgia. He wants to fucking follow smoke signals to find the village. I don't understand it. It's funny that anybody who's nostalgic like that or avoiding change, they only want to go back so far. Right. They don't want to go caveman style. It's like everyone picks a point in their life.

Even now, I have friends who have picked that point. They're done. This is as far as they're going with technology. You're showing them a smartwatch or whatever it might be. Or even not that. It could be a piece of software or social media. Like, they're on Team Facebook, but Twitter's too much or something. It's funny how at some point people flip the switch

and they're like, this is as far as I'm going with this damn thing. Yeah. Yeah, there's that weird thing that people do. You have kids and I have kids. And I've talked to many people. Man, I wouldn't want to bring kids up today in this world. I'm like, what are you talking about? People brought up kids when they were woolly mammoths,

when they were fucking saber-toothed tigers. When like one in a hundred infants survived. Yeah, like what are you talking about? This is like the best time to have a kid ever. You know, they have amazing doctors. Yeah. You really have very little to worry about. And the kid has so many advantages themselves from a learning perspective. I am amazed I have a five and a three year old at how, you know, the unfiltered, maybe unfiltered is a bad word because I don't want them going everywhere that they want to go online, maybe right, right yet. But the idea that they're in control of the information that they participate in,

it's like a huge deal to me. Yeah. That they're not just flipping on the TV and sitting through whatever is programmed for them. Yeah. Instead, they have the freedom to select whatever it is that's interesting to them. And I know that in my life, when I started to really identify the things that I liked, was when I really started to progress in what I was capable of personally like that's the essence of education at least the best kind when you have a

basic kind of draw to a particular topic and then you get there and then you retain it that's I mean that's really the whole package and uh I don't know you know if we talked about education the last time i was on here but i mean i remember growing up and not giving a shit about a particular topic and then all of a sudden when the internet was amazing i find myself hours deep into a particular article or i'm on wikipedia it's like what am i doing right what am i doing the old me would have thought that i was an idiot you know that i like dude get out and do something cool why are you but it's amazing how the context shifts the entire conversation when you're doing

it for yourself when you're driving your own car ship whatever all of a sudden things become enticing and interesting that when there was like a dictator pointing down saying this is the curriculum it just wasn't the same way it's also the enthusiasm of whoever is telling you about the subject, too. Right. You know, there's some people that can talk to you about, like, Neil deGrasse Tyson is my favorite example because he's so passionate about space and about astrophysics. And when he's talking about these things, it becomes fascinating. Yes. Whereas you can watch a lecture that's given by someone who just has no interest in the subject or, excuse me, no interest in teaching the subject.

They're just relaying information. They're just getting through it. And they think that all they have to do is plow through it without any charisma, without any passion. That's what I was going to use the exact same word. I think charisma is not something that's abundant amongst people it's a very special thing that some have some don't and it's like it's not a prerequisite for becoming a teacher it's not like wait let's evaluate their charisma right no it's it's a an institutional kind of approach to how do you pump out you know how do you factory farm teachers, right? Right.

And so, it's unfortunately not a very difficult thing. Well, I don't want to go that far. I mean, it does take work to become a teacher, but it's not like you're pre-qualifying them to be entertaining or to do a good job of the things that lock a person's eyeballs onto you. And so, there's the ratio of teachers that are charismatic versus ones that ended up there is i don't know that you're ever going to be able to fix that no i don't know i don't know if you are either it's like trying to find charismatic people to explain any subject to you yeah charismatic people that you know are managers

of an office charismatic people that you that talk to you at a hospital about what happened to your kid. It's just like charisma. I don't even know if that's the word, but genuine enthusiasm for a subject. Passion is so contagious. When something happens in the world and you can have two options.

One is just the facts laid out to you in a very bland, monotone way. And the other one is someone who's extremely passionate about the subject, who talks about it with great emotion and understands the significance of the information and how you're going to react to it, has this understanding of the interpersonal reaction or relationship. That's so huge to to taking in the information to absorbing it and i i think that the enemy of that is the idea of curriculum the idea that there is a very direct and concrete way of learning something like you have this list of things by the end of this course this person's gonna know this and that and that and they're gonna be tested on it if I was it a teacher or a charismatic person or whatever it's like I don't I don't want to just be your puppet your robot up there following the set of guidelines that you set forth

they have very little freedom in what they can bring into that conversation against what's been approved by whatever body is responsible for producing that that information and you know and oftentimes it's like the same guy who's standing up there is the guy who's who's selling you the textbook and there's like this weird this weird kind of thing baked into it where it's not where it's about do it's like the path of least resistance it's about not ruffling any feathers it's about, it's like the path of least resistance. It's about not ruffling any feathers. It's about just getting from A to B to C without really having a strong point of view.

But isn't it also about like you have to have the basic building blocks? Yes. And then from there, you have to or you should find something you're truly interested in and then pick a career. But at what point? At what point do you think that an individual has the basic building blocks? Right. Yeah. Where does it happen? Because in my opinion, it happens far too late.

I don't think we're encouraged at a young age to really hyper-focus on the things that are interesting to us. Yeah, I think you got a good point there, because I think that kids that do find something that they really enjoy early they have an awesome head start in like like they have hope as to like what they would like to do yes you know i mean like if you talk to someone who is really involved in pick a field computer programming they want to be a game developer and they're 14 years old and they already started coding and they're doing something like well well, this kid is on a path. Whereas, you know, some people are 20, and they're ne'er-do-wells, and they're just fucking laying around eating chips, and they're trying to find their path. You know, I just got to find something I'm really interested in.

Meanwhile, his 14-year-old brother is reading coding magazines and already, like, you know, reading about John Carmack and how he started off id Software. And, you know, he's likemack and how he started off id software and you know he's like he's on a path you know and getting on a path can give you so much energy and momentum and it makes it so exciting and and the argument would be that would be that well maybe that's not really where their head was going to be at maybe you closed some door and that's that's like the fear right that's what that's what like parents are thinking and the kids themselves that they need to have this vast array of subject matter that they're proficient in because god forbid they end up wanting to do something they're not prepared for but that's like that's like a weird way of looking at it in my opinion i think some people i think everybody

at some point in their lives has a particular skill that's worth exploring. But oftentimes it doesn't fit into the window of what would be acceptable at that time. Right. And also your parents sometimes discourage you from that. If it seems like it's a tricky subject or it's difficult to succeed in it. Like my parents were not into me being a comedian at all. Right.

You know, when I told my mom I was going to be a comedian, she's like, you're not even funny. I was like, oh shit. My own mom own mom fucking brutal you want to know something though think about the alternative of your mom saying oh perfect you're the funniest guy i've ever heard like i know guys like that too where their moms are their biggest fans and it hasn't done very they're very much for them that's a good point. Sometimes it's better if they present you with a challenge like, I'll show you. I'll show you, lady. If you

get too much encouragement or a distorted version of your actual skill set, that can be bad too. Hey, Jamie, something's going on in my throat, man. Can we make some tea? Do we have tea back there? I'm fighting off something. But not like a cold.

There's something in my throat. Like I feel physically good, but I'm going ahem a lot. And I know that shit is annoying as fuck to you folks out there. Another thing we were reading before we got going is that dude from CBC that was facing sexual assault charges. How do you say his name? John Gomeshi. That is a weird subject and a hard subject for me i have three daughters and when i read about dudes beating up women especially um this guy who's like this really left wing progressive sweet voice guy who would do interviews and

talk to people like this pretty much the idea that that guy was beating women up and you know and doing it under the guise i mean who the fuck knows what the reality is but the allegations are that he was doing it under the guise of um fantasy or sexual fun i mean what would you call it bondage sm yeah that's what it is and it's funny because i remember when that craziness was going on when 50 shades of gray came out it's like everybody on the subway train had a copy yeah and i didn't obviously i didn't but it blew up and i remember thinking like this is the first time that bondage, S&M, has permeated pop culture. Like, in a big way. And the movie's coming out soon, too.

And I know that he went so far as to reference Fifty Shades of Grey in his argument, meaning that in some way he felt that that enabled him some leeway. Right? That was a really weird thing to me is like the accept the acceptability of that way of doing things like between what somebody wants to do and doesn't want to do i mean when you're engaging with somebody sexually how do you if all of a sudden culturally you have this huge book that x number of women reads or read sorry how much more likely are they to put up with that even if it's not you know what i'm you know what i'm trying to get at yeah is that book about beating them up 50 shades of gray yeah i don't know i i don't i think it's

just mostly just rough sex and bondage tying up uh whipping, that kind of shit. But I think it exposed a world of sexual fantasy that wasn't... I mean, that shit was so mainstream. Yeah. You know, I think for the average soccer mom or whatever, it wasn't in their lexicon pre-Fifty Shades of Grey. Now, I'm not blaming the book or whatever i mean people are going to do what they're going to do and this guy was obviously behaving that way long before based on the

accusations long before that book even came out but uh it seems to me that he his point is that or at least his defense is that this was simply rough sex right right and that was working for him for a bit because the initial accusations as far as i know were sexual partners he had had girlfriends right but then these other accusations started coming out about girls who wouldn't participate who were just getting showing up and getting beat up and being asked to leave and there was no sexual element at all so you know it appears that the guy has some kind of a issue i i don't know why it's so disturbing to me but what what gets me is these guys that are like these really sweet like like like soft-spoken like you know you you just picture them cuddling you couldn't even picture

them fucking you know what i mean like i couldn't picture that guy stuffing a girl into the corner of a couch and just fucking hammering away. I wouldn't think of him doing anything dynamic or violent. In that way, you almost see him as more of a predator. Like a psycho. Like a fucking Ted Bundy type character. Sociopath. Well, there's something about someone who really projects an like projects an image and then the image is like this, like the Cosby situation. Perfect example. Right. words talking about sex gets really angry at them calls them up the famous eddie murphy bit where

bill cosby calls him up and tells him to stop swearing and then he calls up richard pryor and richard pryor tells him did the people laugh did you get paid tell bill to have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up classic right well you're dealing with a guy in richard pryor who's just fucking everything's on the table man everything's on the table, man. Everything's on the table. Coke and lights himself on fire. It's far more comfortable to know where you stand with a guy. That's my dog, bro. That's my man. Because if you're willing to go that far on that, then you're probably not hiding anything.

There's nothing scarier than somebody hiding shit, really, when you think about it. But the interesting thing about the Cosby situation is that it's the accusations are date rape which to me is well i wouldn't even say date rape i would say rape and i would say well the worst kind of rape sorry i was referring just to the drug right like it wasn't date rape in the sense that like uh he you know he was on a date or whatever like he held him down yeah yeah yeah like he the difference in that i'm not saying it's any different in it's not any more excusable or anything like that i know you're not all i'm all i'm saying is that uh trying to to prosecute that oh your your point is the what's the woman what's the story right what's the the the accusation i was i was completely cognizant i

woke up in somebody else's clothes like i read her her account the original uh accuser who nobody was listening to at least for the first few years after the accusation uh i woke up in his apartment don't know how i got there and i was wearing his clothing and i was throwing up that's the accusation right right well what a woman has to do well i shouldn't say i shouldn't put it on the woman but the only way to prove is to immediately get a drug test and then call the cops and you know i mean but a lot of women in those scenarios are fucking terrified and scared and yeah not only that you're dealing with like way back into the 60s yeah and there was you know like what kind of drug tests were even available back then i mean what could they test for how could they and it's

so the drug itself and that happening to people was so new right yes you have i don't even know that somebody would would realize the steps necessary maybe had they gone but imagine you're that what was she was like 18 at the time you're her and you're you want to make an accusation against bill fucking cosby right and nobody wants to listen to you nobody i mean he's a giant superstar i mean he was a superstar in the 60s like i believe his first tv show was in 65 i think i spy i mean he was an Emmy Award winner before I was born crazy you know and that the thing that kills me though is that like like this gomeshi guy he was this like sweet guy like you you saw him as this you know the father figure on the Huxtables and he had this you can never

imagine that guy dropping quaaludes into a chick's drink and just, it's so fucked up and it's almost more fucked up than if the allegations are like, let's pick a guy, like old dirty bastard.

You know what I mean? Rest in peace. But if old dirty bastard did something awful, you would go, well, you know, that guy was fucked. Yeah, yeah.

Because you know where you stand with old dirty. Yeah. Right? Right. You meet old dirty, you're like, was fucked yeah because you know where you stand with old dirty yeah right right you meet old dirty you're like all right i get it man you know and not to say that he was a rapist but but yeah it's there is something creepy about uh you know the whole ted bundy character meanwhile old dirty bastard is probably less likely to do that too which is more fucked up right he was probably a guy who just like because women knew what you mean look at his gold grill. You knew what the fuck that guy was all about.

Because the creepiest people are the best actors. Right, right, right. The creepiest people are the guy who talk to you on the radio like this and then get you alone and you fucking cunt and punch you in the face like, whoa. Can you imagine that? It's pent up. I mean, especially if you're a woman and you're into those like emo dudes and you see him and you're like, oh, this guy's sweet. He's going's gonna cuddle and i'll be able to get really close to him

before we have sex you know he's punching you in the head and stuffing your head under a pillow and trying to suffocate you it's so it must be such a mind fuck to be in that scenario after the fact you know to find yourself there and be like wow that was not expected stand-up citizen we're assuming he did this by the way i mean we don't what that's true i better be careful he's trying to sue the cbc but yeah but he dropped it well if you drop it i mean if you're suing and you're in the middle of stuff he's charged now he's charged now as of a couple of days ago so yeah i mean he's not he's not convicted yet but there are a number of accusations on the table, and that can't bode well for him.

Yeah, I mean, who the fuck knows what actually happened in that particular case, but what just drives me up the wall is that someone's capable of doing that. It goes back in sort of a very loose way. It goes back to what we're talking about with Ferguson. in sort of a very loose way, it goes back to what we're talking about with Ferguson. It's like a real issue when it comes to any kind of a crime, any kind of a horrible scenario is what turns a person into the type of person that can do that? What turns a person into the type of kid,

look, whatever Michael Brown did, we know he robbed a store. We know there's a photo of him grabbing some guy by the neck. He's a giant guy. We know that robbed a store. We know there's a photo of him grabbing some guy by the neck. He's a giant guy. We know that he did that. So what, could you have done that when you were 18? I couldn't have. I wasn't a violent person.

I was violent in the sense of I was fighting. You had an outlet. But yeah, my outlet, I mean, I was never, I never, I hadn't, I haven't even gotten into a scuffle since I was in high school. Like I've had maybe one time on Fear Factor. But the one time on Fear Factor, I didn't even hurt the guy. I just grabbed him. I didn't do anything to him.

I thought he was going to hit me. Yeah, but the question is what makes a person like that? Exactly. How much of it is nature, nurture, so on and so forth? I think it's almost a huge chunk of it is nurture. Right. A huge chunk of it is nurture right a huge chunk but nature and nurture are combined because of epigenetics and you know there's learned behavior there's there's tendencies that a child gets if they're in the womb of a mother who's under

extreme stress and duress a woman who lives in a horrible neighborhood it deals with violence in the home a woman who's being beaten while she's pregnant that child will have a higher propensity for violence like this is there's all these studies that have proven this or being done to prove this you everyone's unequal if your parents are super sweet and in love with each other and super supportive and you grew up and you're in the womb of that mom and then there's this kid whose mom is getting beat up by the dad who is a junkie who comes home every three days, and it's just chaos and violence and fear and crying. You're growing up a different person. coming up are you really do you really have the capacity to understand how your actions are affecting the entire picture that's a great question that's the real question right that's the real question the real question is isn't whether or not that cop shot that guy in in a

just way the real question is how how do we stop a kid like that from being a kid like that how do we stop an angry young man from from developing into a criminal how do you intervene is it possible to intervene is it possible to intervene with counseling is it possible to intervene with education or is there some sort of a medical pharmaceutical alternative that's on the horizon i mean who the fuck knows what it what what turns someone into what's you know fill in the blank there's a million instances all across the country every day of people committing violent crimes and it's and and and to be fair it's not just this this part of the populace it's not just somebody who came up uh without very much well that's why this gomeshi guy's kind of that's what i mean or i remember the kid in santa barbara

the rich kid yes who had had it out for women or whatever i read read some stuff regarding him when that happened so yeah it can happen anywhere but it's obvious that violence among particular communities is vastly more consistent. Yeah, impoverished communities. There's more stress, more stress, more violence, more poverty. Did you hear that they found that McDonald's is spending significantly more money advertising in poor neighborhoods recently. Yeah, they did a study. They're like, I don't even remember what the percentage was. I hate quoting things that I don't have the data on.

Maybe Jamie can look it up. Yeah, Jamie can put it up. But, yeah, maybe it runs even deeper than this, right? Because, I mean, you know the importance. Like, how does nutrition play into it right and that's a good point you know i mean sugar is a big part of the diet of poor people i mean not just sugar but sugar in refined form whether whether it's candy or soda but also in terms of like breads and carbohydrates it's all like an alcohol like what part all those things immediately processed into sugar if you uh if you're a poor family and you can go to mcdonald's and get uh you know a bunch

of meals for five bucks a piece and it's weird how how many things are stacked against you it's just weird like that the fun the building blocks of human life, like vegetables or whatever, are not accessible to you at least. Not in the same way as those other ready-made meals. Because you've got to cook them. The investment isn't just the amount of money that it costs. Because I've seen those responses. Like, well, they could buy vegetables and this and that. But when you're working two jobs and you're a single parent and whatever else, the energy invested in actually turning those vegetables into something your kids actually want,

is this it right here? Yeah, it says disturbing ways that fast food chains disproportionately target black kids. There you go. Not specifically McDonald's, but it's a lot of Papa John's, Popeyes. Well, McDonald's in there? Sorry, I may have accused them. They're in there. Okay.

Well, I think they go where they can make the most money. I mean, it's like a magnet attracts metal filings. Well, how do you feel about that? Is this acceptable? Well, I mean, here's the thing. In an ideal society Like if you Lewis

Would like a Big Mac You should be able to buy a Big Mac Completely agree You know that a Big Mac is shit Yes You know that it's not good for you But If you have a choose

Between going down the street To Whole Foods And getting a nice salad That's super healthy And nutrient dense Or A Big Mac And you choose as an adult

To go get a Big Mac, that's one thing. But there's a big difference between that and children and people that aren't educated or people that are poor. I don't think that McDonald's or Burger King has a responsibility. Should they be able to advertise to minors? To minors. Should these people do whatever they want as long as it's legal?

I mean, look, if you want to serve your kid a cheeseburger, should that be legal? If your kid, okay, your five-year-old says, Daddy, I want a cheeseburger. Like, all right, for a goof, let's go in there and get a cheeseburger. Yeah. Should that be okay? And if that's okay, why? I mean, if it's okay to go to an ice cream store, if it's okay to go to Baskin-Robbins and get your kid an ice cream sundae, which pretty much everybody does every now and again.

But here's what I'm getting at is that the developing mind is very susceptible, at least traditionally has been susceptible, to advertising's ability to bypass the defense mechanisms that an adult brain has right i know you want to sell me something right i know that big mac looks fucking delicious i'm gonna come buy it right but maybe the like long term embedding them embedding themselves in the psyche of people at a young enough age is somehow affecting their decision making far later into their lives that it's not just a simple discussion of you know an advertisement tomorrow and and free choice tomorrow like how free are we actually when it comes to thinking right right yeah well it's very it's a very complicated and complex situation because what is okay for one group is not okay for another what is okay for adults discerning adults who are educated and aware if you want to go get a snickers bar you

should be able to but if if that is all that's available in your community and you are young and starving and you don't have much money then it's a real issue because like this kid needs nutrition and they're not getting it from a Snickers bar or a Big Mac. And it would be interesting to attempt to investigate the consequences of that from a mental perspective. Like, is it possible to have a fully developed mind living off Snickers? It's not. I don't think so either. Whether or not it's fully developed, it's not going to be optimized.

No. That's be optimized. No. That's for sure. No. And the effects of that at a young age. So it's not like it's an old thing from a human history perspective. Like the food that would have been available, it may have been available more to the rich people than the poor people, but you're talking about roughly the same stuff, right? Right.

It comes out of the ground. Or you kill a cow and whatever, you got what you got. No? Well, I think what we really need, what communities really need is community gardens. And, you know, it would also foster a massive sense of community. If you had community gardens where, like, say, if you live on a block, all you would need is one lot. Okay. You know, you have 100 homes on a block. All you would need is one lot. Okay. You know, you have a hundred homes on a block.

One of them, one lot would feed literally a hundred homes. You would just have to grow it correctly, you know, stagger the food and have everyone do shifts. If you have a hundred families doing shifts in this, you know, one, you know, half acre lot. I mean, a half acre is a lot of land as far as like growing food if you have access to water and seeds and all these the you know the proper soil to for growing food you could do an amazing thing with an area when i was a kid my parents were involved in my stepdad was going to school he was a computer programmer and he went back to school to become an architect and when he changed uh careers he when he was going to school he was a computer programmer and he went back to school to become an architect and when he changed

careers he when he was going to school he was involved at one point in time with some project at his University where they were they had like a communal garden sort of a thing and everyone had to do like a shift and I remember this very clearly because I went with him one day and I got attacked by a goat. Fucking cunty goat jumped after me. So they had livestock at this garden? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, they were milking goats. And it was a part of, I don't, I was about maybe eight at the time, maybe seven or eight.

So I do not remember the exact extent of their duties or what everything was for, but I remember there was all sorts of different vegetables they were growing, and then they had some livestock that I think they were using. Goat's milk is particularly nutritious, very easy to digest as well, and it's an issue with babies. A lot of babies have a real hard time with cow milk. My daughter did. Yeah.

She had a really hard time drinking cow milk, but goat's milk is super easy to digest for whatever reason. I don't know, nutritionally. Enzymes or whatever. But that idea, that concept of a communal garden, I mean, first of all, it could bring the community together in an amazing way, you know, where everybody's sort of working towards some sort of a universal goal. And two, it could provide people with food that you don't need money to pay for if they can just you know if everybody has a shift that they have to do like hey it's your shift to lay down manure or your shift to pick up you know the crops and document them and if you have like you know a log book that everybody has to sign in and you know oh today we picked 18 squash

we put them here you know let everybody know send the word out squash is available to families come and get some squash you know the kale is growing to the point we could pick it that that's all possible and not like economically prohibitive and would probably save a lot of people a lot of money i think uh that makes a lot of sense most definitely but i think for me it's like you want you wonder how much time plays into it right because when you like what comes with money and well-being and growing up in a good community and whatever is is time free time free free time yeah which is what allows not not only you know, things like that to exist, but also the ideas, you know, like the free format of communication and ideas.

When you subtract time from people, when they are getting paid, you know, a fraction of whatever they get paid, a person's getting paid per hour or whatever, they're redlining their capacity. The age-old work smarter, not harder type scenario, but it's like if time is not abundant, it's hard to imagine that people could find a way to participate in something like well there's a guy named ron finley who's got a ted talk on this very subject right he calls

himself a gorilla gardener wow i like that yeah he's got a ted talk about gorilla gardening in south central la and it's really interesting wow yeah and he has um has these gardens that he set up in like medians. Like he's growing food in all these places where nothing was growing but like weeds before. And he gets young kids involved in growing this food. And he's talking, you know, this TED Talk, it's really interesting because he's talking about how little it costs and how healthy it is and how good it is for you. Yeah. You know, it's a really, I gotta get him on here man i got he's um yeah i mean he sounds like a badass he has a yeah i wonder if he has a twitter i'm sure he has a twitter it's funny though that if this stuff is really as accessible as it seems it is like ground sun rain right why the hell does it cost what it costs at whole foods what's that about

yeah what is that about i mean i was i got here and i was at the whole foods in venice and jesus christ that place is buzzing it's a scene man it's it's it's like it's like you're you're in some wacky nutritional nightclub. They got like a little wine bar. People are sitting there talking, sipping on expensive wines, buying the most expensive produce you possibly can. It's very expensive. It's like a rite of passage.

It's like nutrition is a rite of passage. There's a place that's even more expensive called Erewhon. Have you ever been to Erewhon? No. It's a new one. It's like they took Whole Foods to the next level. Do they have a dress code? No, but Whole Foods is better though because Whole Foods has like a real butcher shop. Like Whole Foods, you can get like a fat bison steak.

You can get like good meat there. I mean, they even had smoked brisket. Like they're smoking it right there in the supermarket. It's like, geez. Well, there's a Whole Foods in Boulder that is like a goddamn restaurant. I mean, they have all sorts of food. They have a pizza oven. They make sandwiches. They have all sorts of stuff.

The one in Venice had the wood pizza oven, too. I tried it. It was badass pizza. I'm not taking anything away from them. Better food for more people is awesome. It's expensive, though. That's what I'm saying. That's what's hard.

Price-wise, it's like I'm trying to uh be prejudiced or anything but that is a type of person that's in there you know what i mean i love how you said that i'm not trying to be prejudiced um it is prejudiced there's a twitter page called yes you're racist okay and uh i i was tweeting it the other day because it was during the day of the riots. It was a great time to go to Yes, You're Racist. And they would find racist tweets and put them up. And the guy who runs the page was saying that that was the worst day ever. Worse than Trayvon Martin, worse than any other.

That day, there was so much racist bullshit being tweeted. Wow. I mean, I believe it. I've been in the YouTube comments before. It seems like there would be a way to mitigate a lot of the issues. And it's also difficult to get people to fucking eat that shit. Like, they want to eat cheeseburgers. Right.

You know, it's not as simple as, do you want some more coffee, man? Do you want to make some more coffee? I would love some more. This is fantastic coffee. I'm just, it's starting to sink as uh do you want some more coffee man you want to make some more coffee i would love some more this is fantastic coffee i'm just it's starting to sink in i'm getting fired up now we got plenty caveman coffee in the house all right a lot of it perfect um it's it's hard to get people to choose a salad over a fucking ice cream but but i feel like it is prevailing i mean i don't know about when you were a kid or whatever, but nobody was saying McDonald's is bad for you.

Nobody was saying cigarettes are bad for you at some point in time. Well, at some point in time, doctors were prescribing cigarettes. Did you ever see that J. Edgar Hoover film with Leonardo DiCaprio? Oh, no, I never saw it. It's a good movie. And one of the things in the movie was Leonardo DiCaprio or J. Edgar Hoover's mom telling Leonardo DiCaprio that he should smoke the cigarettes that the doctor prescribed to make him heartier. To make him more. Really? Yes, heartier.

Prescribing cigarettes to make you rougher, stronger. No way. Yes. Yes, doctors prescribed cigarettes. Yeah. Well, you know, before the vibrator, doctors would give women orgasms. Yes. Hysteria, right? Yes.

Yes. Hysteria being connected to hysterectomy. Find a way to log it into the medical book. But that's like the connection. Hysteria and hysterectomy. Like that's where the word comes from. It's wild. And these women, I mean, I'm doing a butcher job of the definition of it,

but these women would go to the doctor and the doctor would just finger blast them. That's what the doctor would do. You know, I mean. With a cigarette in his mouth. The origins of the word hysteria. Yeah, right. Probably, right? Yeah the word hysteria. Yeah. Right. Probably. Right.

Yeah. It's, it's, it's wild how much things can change in a short period of time. Yeah. And it's an, it's an accelerating thing as well. But I think we're going to, you know, we'll look back on this time and say, I can't believe we did that the same way we're looking back on 40 years ago or 30 years ago and saying, I can't, I can't believe we did that the same way we're looking back on 40 years ago or 30 years ago and saying i can't i can't believe we did that so uh there's definitely a movement into the direction of uh getting back to the food thing into a direction of a more fulfilling diet

yeah hysteria the um just describes unmanageable emotional excess The fear that can be centered on a body part or most commonly on an imagined problem with that body part. Disease is a common complaint. See also body dysmorphic disorder. You know what? I was reading. Or no, sorry, listening to a podcast. I think it was Radiolab or I don't know. Something like that.

And they were talking about using a woman using uh pms as a defense in a court case oh yeah for uh for punching or hitting her kid or something something like that and and how the implications of that on the legal system whether or not uh whether or not you're psychologically there when you're experiencing that hormonal imbalance that comes with that time of the month. Yeah, well, people have used sugar as a defense for murder. What? Yeah, some guy used Twinkies. He ate too many Twinkies.

And went crazy? I believe that was in Northern California. Yeah, female hysteria. That's the thing I was looking for. A once common medical diagnosis exclusively in women, which today no longer recognized by medical authorities as a medical disorder. It's diagnosis and treatment were routine for

many hundreds of years in Western Europe. And one of the things they would do, they would blast water on a woman's pussy. There's a photo, if you go to the Wikipedia. What the? Look at that cannon. What is that, a fire hose?

Look at this blast. Get out of here. Note how her legs are together and down. Meanwhile, she'd be grabbing the back of her knees. Get out of here. It would just be flooding her person out. Look at that wooden chair. That doesn't look like it's ready for that kind of force.

I know. It should be some sort of a captain's's chair like Captain Kirk had in the Enterprise. That's going to tip over. I like how, you see how the doctor's keeping his distance. He's firing that from a fair distance.

A physician in 1859 claimed that a quarter of all women suffer from hysteria. One physician cataloged 75 pages of possible symptoms of hysteria and called the list

incomplete. Almost any ailment could fit the diagnosis. Physicians thought that the stresses associated with modern life caused civilized women to be both more susceptible to nervous disorders and to develop faulty reproductive tracts. What? They just fucking guessed back then.

It's really amazing when you go back just a couple hundred years and you look at the connections they had to disorders and diseases. They just guessed. Yeah. They were so off. Yeah. They didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. Twinkie defense is false, by the way.

It's false. It's not true? That's what it says. Oh, is that Snopes? Snopes said it. But didn't some guy actually use something like is that Snopes? Snopes said it. But didn't some guy actually use something like sugar as a defense? Sugar as a defense. I'm sure some hotshot lawyer has attempted to use...

What does it say? Does it say it never happened? Recently resigned. Twinkie defense is a commonly recognized term. It says he got off with voluntary manslaughter. Defense argued the refined sugar in his junk food made him depressed, immensely incapable of premeditated murder. Well, no, listen, this was an actual defense that he tried to use.

His defense was that he suffered diminished capacity as a result of depression. His change in diet from healthy food to twinkies and other sugary food was said to be a symptom of depression so contrary to popular belief his attorneys did not argue that twinkies were the cause of the actions but that the consumption was symptomatic of an underlying depression so it was like confusing so like He's depressed. Look, he eats all these Twinkies. He must be depressed. He's depressed and that's why he killed somebody.

It wasn't that the Twinkies were causing him to kill somebody. The Twinkies were just a consequence of his depression. Twinkies apparently were never mentioned in the courtroom during the trial, nor did the defense ever claim that White was on a sugar rush and committed the murders as a result. However, one reporter's use of the term Twinkie defense caught on and stuck that's people in a nutshell and that's me i'm perpetrating it i'm fucking keeping the ignorant train rolling it's funny how stuff like that works you know i mean essentially a lot of that is going on in ferguson

like someone gets an idea and then like my hands are up don't shoot like they're pretending that this kid said my hands are up don't shoot it's like people keep saying hands up don't shoot hands up don't shoot yeah and then it's a better story witnesses that made testimony in the indictment that were saying that he rushed the cop and that he said you know you're too much of a pussy to shoot me who Who the fuck knows what really happened? That's not the sexy story. Exactly. Cops need to wear fucking cameras, you know? And a couple cops have argued with me about this online.

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saying that they don't think they should. Yeah, they were saying like, you know, do you know how much money that would cost? But fuck off. How much is a GoPro? Fuck off. You can get one for 150 bucks.

Yeah, Jesus Christ. You got fucking so much money. You can get a 4K GoPro right now. Yeah, so much money is being invested in the war on drugs. So much money is being invested in Afghanistan, Iraq, and just fill in the fucking blanks. Corn subsidies. I mean, Jesus Christ. The amount of money that's being... You ever watch King Corn?

Not yet. The amount of money that's being invested in making watch King Corn? Not yet. The amount of money that's being invested in making sure that McDonald's still has fucking corn syrup. There's a lot of money going around, folks. And the idea that someone who carries a fucking gun, that it's not a good idea to put a camera on them. Right.

For all sorts of reasons. Look, if that kid was saying on camera, you're too much of a pussy to shoot me, and running towards that cop, and the cop shot him we're good we're done this whole thing's done so right now we're dealing with a lot of speculation and we have a bunch of people that are walking down the street and mass closing down freeways yelling out hands up don't shoot what's the cost of that now how the fuck do we even know

that that was said like what are you doing And like that black guy that on Twitter was saying to the white rapper, you are blind to the facts in your attempt to be down. And there's a lot of that going on. There's a lot of people that want the narrative. They want the narrative. They want it to fit in with their idea of what is just or what is exciting or what's really going on. The other thing about the camera, too,

is it's not just about what would have been captured. It's about what might not have happened. Well, I tweeted a story, or I tweeted a study, rather, about California that said that when they made cops wear cameras, the numbers of complaints against cops, the numbers of violent incidents and abuse dropped dramatically. When people are accountable, they don't fuck up. On both sides.

On both sides. On both sides. If you're somebody who's committing a crime or not or whatever, you understand the consequences of that camera. Yes. That what you're about to say and do, there's a record of it. And the cop knows he can't get away with anything. Both parties know.

And you know what they should do? If they find a cop tampered with a fucking camera, they should put him in jail for 20 years. Ah, I never thought about that. If they find a cop that erased footage

or that purposely, if they can prove that a cop purposely fucked with a camera, there should be a high consequence. You know what, though? There's a way around that.

You could have it uploading, streaming in real time. Yeah. You know? Like, have you heard of, do you have one of those drop cams or have you heard of them? it uploading, streaming in real time. Yeah. You know, like, have you heard of, do you have one of those drop cams

or have you heard of them? Yeah, I have heard of them. Yeah. So like set them up in five minutes. They're like this big. They connect to the wifi network and then boom,

you're streaming. The only problem would be if you were in a place that was remote. You know, if you were in the main woods or something like that. Right. If you're a fucking game warden

or something. You know, abusive cops could get away with it if there was no signal but right i mean if you had some sort of a fail-safe mechanism where the the data is being backed up by bluetooth you know to the hard drive of the patrol car you know or some sort of a signal that reaches the hard drive of the patrol car and it can't be tampered with right that doesn't seem to me to be outside the realm of possibility that would be great for everybody great for the cops and fantastic for civilians i mean i i guarantee you that alone would cut back on police abuse dramatically would you per

so you get um pulled over for speeding right you want the cop coming up and recording that? Yes. Really? Sure. Okay. Why not? I don't know. There is a feeling that being recorded is a negative thing, like the whole NSA type thing. But maybe it's different because you know you're being recorded.

Yeah, you know you're being recorded, and you're being recorded because you violated a law. Okay, let's say you didn't though. Well, then you say, I didn't violate the law. Right, right, right. Whatever, you say it on camera. Right. Some people would have a hard time asserting themselves, which would be an issue because socially some people are a bit more awkward. That could be an issue.

But I think that if someone comes up to you and talks to you about a crime and you know you're being recorded i mean you it's got to be a lot of transparency there like if you were speeding and they have the evidence and they have all the data i mean that's it's all the only thing that would be a problem is people wouldn't be able to get off for being you know cute or having a great story or a girl with big tits. Yeah, what percentage of traffic infractions do you actually end up getting convicted for the whole thing? Like, there's no leniency there. And the amount of blowjobs that cops receive would drop dramatically. That's the real reason right there.

I know a cop. Well, I don't know a cop, rather. I know a girl who got pulled over by a cop. And the cop said, look, there might be some other way we can take care of this. And she was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Whoa. And the cop went back to his car, wrote her a ticket, and fucking sent her on her way. You know, like, he was putting it out there.

That's been going on for as long as there's been cops, I'm sure. He's floating it out there. Oh, look, my zipper's undone. Oh, your mouth is right there. Yeah. I mean, it's been done. It's not like the first. I mean, how many times has a girl offered?

There's probably a lot of girls that have offered that. Wow. I'm sure. You know, the thing is, though, human beings, cameras, why? I was watching this thing the other night. Maybe you've heard of it called Surveillance Man. No. Have you heard of this? He recently got all his shit pulled off youtube uh but this guy goes around and just records

people regular people walks up to you records you and puts it online and and whatever he edits it together and puts it on youtube well that's kind of fucked up. It's very fucked up. It's very fucked up. Does he agree? I wouldn't know. Do we know who the guy is? No idea. So he doesn't put himself on there? Ever.

Fuck that guy. So he walks up to people and gets various responses. Some people, like he walks up to two, all this stuff got pulled off YouTube, but it's on LiveLeak now. He walks up to two Morm mormons the ones that go door to door and they're super polite they're like whoa they're like oh you're recording us whatever like they have a nice conversation and they walk off but then other people they're trying

to knock them out but i think it's so it's so interesting how the camera in and of itself almost has this social view of of of like a weapon in a way. It's like you're pointing that thing at me because you're attempting. It's like the person's not doing anything wrong. By pointing the thing at you? No, no, no. I mean the person that's getting recorded. You're not doing anything wrong.

Why does it make us feel so uncomfortable? Because you're opening up a door for a bunch of other people to enter into your life if you take a guy i take a camera on you yeah i don't know you i find you i take a camera and i put it on the youtube channel that has a million subscribers like yours does well no no let's say the person doesn't know that when they're being recorded okay not right like if you're out in the street well it probably doesn't count for you because somebody might know who you are and what in that Case but if you're a regular everyday person and someone walks up to you with their smartphone And they're just a few feet away from you recording you

That's like that's what he's doing right he's not announcing that it's going to be on YouTube, but people's reactions are intense Yeah, should be I'd steal his phone Steal his phone kick him in the dick But maybe he wins But he wins that way How's he win? Because I stole his phone? No, because that's a way better clip If you don't get it If you don't get that phone

Oh, I'll get his phone I'm gonna get his phone Well, whatever, you may be more gifted than others Who fail in his clips to get it from him Is he like a sprinter? Well, he clips to get it from him is he like a sprinter well he he starts to get he moves away at the right time this guy's crazy he interrupts like uh he there are cases where he walks behind the cash register at mcdonald's and starts recording people that are like making burgers and they're just like what the fuck or in certain

cases like he he walks that guy he walks into like uh um a card game that's going a private card game and he's recording it like he takes risks to get that footage but i agree with you fuck that guy but at the same time i think it sort of unveils something about humanity and how we're not completely ready for a fully recorded future we're not completely ready for a fully recorded future. We're not completely ready, but I feel like it's kind of inevitable. I think there's almost nothing to stop it from. I mean, if you look at where things are going, you look at what was our access to information just 100 years ago?

What is our access to information going to be like 100 years from now? Fully streaming everything. Fully streaming. No, I'm a big believer in that we're going to be sharing our lives that our lives going to be like like you know i can go to your facebook and look at your pictures and i think there's going to be a time where you're going to be able to read my fucking thoughts because my thoughts are going to be recorded on a hard drive in hd or my my instead of my thoughts rather my life what i see you know the experiences that i have and then from there it's probably going to be even more complex and complicated.

There's going to be some sort of a mechanism for reintroducing emotions into an outside observer. Like I could find out whether or not you cried when you went to the movies. I'll watch a movie through your perspective. I mean, that might be a channel that you go to. Let's watch movies with Lewis. And like, oh my God, Avatar 16 just made me cry. And I'm like, oh, he's crying like you were. You know, like you see it through your eyes.

I could like see what you like to masturbate to and what excites you. But that's all. It's totally inevitable. But if you asked anybody to flip that switch tomorrow, it's like you're not going to be on the front lines. I don't know about all that. Oh on the front lines i don't know about all oh you would i don't you're ready to broadcast 24 7 i don't not me but i think a lot of people would jump right the fuck so you have people on youtube who almost do that they they upload a vlog every day let's say i like how you say that vlog vlog i usually call it vlog oh okay vlog well because it was pulled from blog right

yeah but uh and i i sit there and i look at that and i'm like damn i i am so happy that that's not me that that's not what i have to do well you you're a content-based guy you're you're doing videos at unbox therapy based on your review of particular items objects right so the yeah so people are tuning in not i mean partially for a glimpse into my life but not i'm not expected to create content out of my experiences right 24 7 right whereas like i feel like a vlogger is in this in this kind of space not everybody but some where they're trying to turn, maybe not even consciously trying, but once you broadcast everything you do,

how can it not become a performance? How can it not be? I mean, yeah. Well, that was Hunter S. Thompson's argument when they were filming him way back when he was doing one of his early documentaries that they did on him. He was saying that you're not going to really get it. Like, that camera that you're putting on me changes the interaction 100 exactly and that's what i was trying to get at with the whole the whole thing before about the cop carrying

the camera or the surveillance guy or whatever is like are you you when a camera's on yeah well eventually you are eventually you're you when the camera's on what Yeah. Well, eventually you are. Eventually you're you when the camera's on. What does that mean? I'm you now. You're me now? No. I'm me now. I'm me now when the camera's on.

Are you? Yes. Like this camera, I'm me. That's deep, man. But I do this so often. I know. In a podcast. If you and I were having this conversation, the only difference would be I wouldn't be

feeling these fucking things in my ears. Yeah. I mean, maybe I would reveal some personal information. Here's a bigger question. Are you the same me to everybody? Not to people that I don't know. Right. They might have, like, ulterior motives, or they might be creepers, or they might be weird.

Like, there's people who are guarded about certain information. Yeah, sometimes you're sitting in that chair, and I'm sure, I don't remember, one doesn't come to mind, but the guy across from you, you're not. You know what I mean? It's not a connection. It could be, I don't know, maybe not if you disagree with something, but you must have had conflict before in this environment

that changed the you that you were most certainly i mean but you also would have i mean any conflict outside of this environment if you had conflict with someone and you were in a park it would change who you were and how you interacted with them you would be more guarded you'd be like oh this guy's a creep yeah yeah see the you the this is like deep shit but No, but seriously, I don't know that you can be the same person around everybody. Yeah, I don't know either. I think we all do some kind of editing. Right.

Well, not only that, I mean, isn't that kind of what being a human being is? Part of what we are is we are who we become when we're around other people yes one of the reasons why we like being around certain people is they make us better yes make us interesting completely agree with that they make you more fun or they make you more kind or they make yes we're we're not totally autonomous we're just not no we're not we're not completely individuals we are individuals interacting with other individuals and those ingredients of these other individuals provide they change who we are that's why it's important not to hang around with negative people yes i had a friend who's a nice

guy but fucking dude was like he he always was involved in drama and bullshit and when i was around him like I remember thinking, this fucking guy, everything in his life is always a mess. And when I'm around him, I become a mess. When I'm around him, I'm arguing with him.

And when I'm not around him, everything is calm. And his life remained chaotic. I stopped hanging around with him. This was way back in the day. But I stopped hanging around with him and his life just became more and more chaotic and mine became peaceful. Because of day. But I stopped hanging around with him, and his life just became more and more chaotic, and mine became peaceful because of it,

because I eliminated this one super problematic dude from my life. But I have other people that I hang around with them, and it's always fun. I hang around with them. It's always laughs and joking. It's always a good time. And you feel better when you're around them. You become a better person. it's always a good time and you feel better when you're around them you become a better person i think we collectively at least sometimes for me like we underestimate the importance of this

stimulus yeah the the people that are around us the things that we surround ourselves with like facebook recently did something controversial uh well i don't know how recently but they started auto playing videos as you scroll through ew and you know that some of the shit that's out there you don't want to see yeah right yeah i know i definitely don't i don't play sucks in general it sucks in general but i guess what i'm getting at more with this one is it's like the internet opens up this door to see as much as you want right and to to use your eyeballs in a metaphorical sense as like the vein to insert the drug right and so i don't i don't know that we are collectively aware of the the fucking heavy duty consequences of that that That the web, the web giving us everything is, that's the best thing about the web,

but it's also the worst thing about the web. In that, you're changed. Forever. You watch a guy's head get chopped off, you're different. It's true. It's true.

There's no going back. You've seen it. You know what that looks like. I mean, up until I was in my 20s, I didn't know what it looked like when mean up until i was in my 20s i didn't know what it looked like when a guy got his head sawed off by a buck knife you know that's right then you see it and you go oh jesus christ and i remember i can still to this day remember i think the first time i ever saw like faces of death same and to this day i was way too young

to see that yeah i just remember like the the weird like tightening of your body like the the intensity let me ask you this do you wish that you hadn't seen it no no i'm fine now well i mean i've seen them now and it doesn't make me a worse person it's just it is what it is i know what it is now you know it's like you don't go out of your way to watch more of it no i do not i avoid it i avoid it like why these recent ones with these um journalists that were beheaded by the isis guys i i avoided all of them because no need the objective of those guys yeah is to attract your eyeballs i don't need to experience that i know what it looks like i know what's going on i don't need to experience but i you know i did

watch one because i couldn't believe it was on fucking YouTube. Somebody sent me a link to it on Twitter, something about ISIS. And I was like, what? So I clicked on it thinking it's a YouTube link. This is not going to be anything serious. It was a full on execution, shooting them, cutting their heads off. Both YouTube and Twitter are having difficulty keeping it down because of the speed at which it's being replicated and re-uploaded. Yeah. Difficulty keeping it down because of the the speed at which it's being replicated and re-uploaded Yeah, like these guys from a social media perspective are fairly educated that you hear the guy's voice. He's got an english accent It's like these are not who we think they are, right?

Right, we think of them as being Uneducated savages or unaware who live in caves. That's when that and that was the narrative for so long Yeah, that that's what that was about. But it's interesting how people subtract themselves from the overall equation. And by that I mean that by watching it, you're perpetuating it. Sort of, yeah, in a way.

Yeah, because the entire objective from an ROI, this sounds gross to say it this way, but from an ROI perspective, sounds gross to say it this way, but from an ROI perspective. ROI? Return on investment. From a return on investment perspective, ISIS has mad legs via one dude.

What's the cost of one dude? Right. That's the scary part, is that the internet has allowed for the proliferation of a piece of content an idea something that all of us collectively recognize as negative but can't keep our fucking eyes off well there was something that someone tweeted who's a part of isis where he was talking about how everybody gets crazy when one person's body part gets removed but meanwhile a hundred people get blown to bits yeah by a robot there you go and no one says a word there you go

it's hard to argue with that i mean i'm not supporting isis but it's hard to argue with that logic like we have some weird ways of looking at loss somebody tweeted me the other day that there was an objective to kill 40 people and they wound up killing 1,417 people in their attempt to kill these 40 people. That's a lot of fucking murder for no reason. I mean, those other people, that collateral damage, those people have families. Those people have lives. Those people had friends. Those people had lovers. All those people have lives. Those people had friends. Those people had lovers. All those people are gone.

As long as those people on TV speak a different language and wear a different outfit. And look different than us. Booyah. Booyah. Let's do it. Yeah. And all that is affecting us. All that's changing us.

Just like having negative people in our life. Just like communicating with shitty people. Just like being in a bad neighborhood all that is affecting your reality you are a combination of your reality and your take on that reality yep this membrane here like is not nearly as strong from a structural perspective as we like to believe it is yeah no shit right that's what i'm like was saying with with the with the fast food thing in in uh targeting black people in black neighborhoods and kids and this and that it's like the informational world we just don't view it like torpedoes or heroin or whatever

but the consequences are very similar like when you let shit in it changes you like we both just said emotionally how is it you can watch this thing that you know already happened right like how i can't change what happened there right when when a guy gets his head chopped off there's literally nothing that i can do about it so it might as well be fiction at this point it might as well be hollywood at this point but it's not i watch it and i know the difference and i can't steer clear of it i can't escape that high yeah you can't escape that input i mean we are essentially a product of our input yes our our interactions our input and how we how we process all of it that's that's what we are that's what makes a person a person that's why people that have lived colorful lives are so interesting it's because they have so much input there's so much

variety in their input right yeah and when we all become connected in some sort of a weird hive mind way yeah yeah is it is everybody more fucked up than we think there's a lot more fucked up shit than we think yeah i think we based a lot of our ideas of reality on media yep on when i say media i mean like fictional depictions of people songs coldplay songs yeah and there's a lot of women i think dudes are like the guy in the coldplay song don't please don't i have a whole like tangent on rom-coms about how like what's a rom-com a romantic comedy oh it's rom-com how how no self-respecting dude should ever take his girlfriend wife to any of those movies those move that's fucking terrorism right there.

Give me an example. Jennifer Aniston movies? Jennifer Aniston when she was like a cop? That shit every fucking time, it's selling one thing, the grass being greener. Always. And you're the fucking, you're the current lawn. You know what I mean? You're the current fucking lawn and you're taking, you're taking, like, it's crazy to think that, oh, we're just going to enjoy it and we're going to laugh and whatever this and that.

There is no rom-com. There is no, none of that structure without the triangle, the love triangle. And the love triangle opens the door to the third party see we don't work that way dudes for the most part right we're like stimulated by other shit as you know but on that side of the fence it's all imagination it's all like yeah the fucking pool boy or the the delivery man or whoever someone's always going to treat you better or whatever it is and as you know anytime you're in a in a relationship you learn really quickly that well i think we talked about this last time about you know the honeymoon phase and how things change

and that's just part of growing and and whatever but in those movies it's never about that it's never about oh look they've been together forever and they still fucking doing it right it's never about that it's never about oh look they've been together forever and they still doing it right it's always some prettier dude has to come along you're a idiot if you're taking your wife to that okay what should you take it to i don't plan of the apes some dystopia version of reality where gorillas become sentient and they start getting machine guns and shooting white people is that what we need? No, maybe not that. I don't know. I don't know either.

I don't know how to solve that shit, but all I got to say is don't participate. But what if you enjoy them? No, you don't. No? No, it's impossible. No chance. It's fucking impossible.

Ryan Gosling movies? No way? Drive, maybe. Which I haven't seen, but everyone tells me I need to see. Who's the other guy Who's the 21 Jump Street one Who's the guy Channing Tatum That guy

That handsome bastard What about him Fuck them all man Whoa No Strong words I take it back Channing

I didn't mean it You gotta do what you gotta do And if You know If I look like that I'd probably do the same God damn thing But truthfully

Like it's It's weird How much We turn our lives Into the stories That we want them to be well we definitely pretend we definitely pretend and the the the other issue is that when that's a part of the input of reality you're you're you're dealing with like faulty data you're dealing with like fictional accounts right of reality fucking glitch a bunch of writers sat down they were in a room they worked for weeks on lines that would

sound absolutely ridiculous in the real world music plays when the guy delivers some his head is 60 feet tall he's on a giant fucking screen the perfect words his features are perfectly symmetrical everything is wonderful so dreamy yeah I mean look think about like what they can do in movies now. Look, how about the movie 300? Those guys didn't even really look like that. Like, I remember when I saw that dude, Gerard, whatever the fuck his name is. Butler.

Yeah, in real life. And I was like, look at this fucking flabby bitch. You want to know something? I couldn't handle that movie. Really? No. Why is that? It was too far beyond the realm of what I was willing to accept.

I feel the same way about a lot of zombie shit. You know? I was watching, I was like sort of off The Walking Dead for a while. I watched the first season and then, you know, I don't know, it got old for me because the zombies stopped being as capable as they were early on. Right. They're all slow and shit now yeah you know and it's like well fuck i don't know i i want the i want a

dangerous zombie you want a 28 days later zombie love 28 days later you know if i need to be afraid of something like this second nature for them you know to kill them now but anyway i'm watching that shit and it's like all the girls look girls look fucking awesome. They got makeup. They got makeup on. They're prepped up. I want to see the real zombie movie. People look like shit. Well, fuck it.

All of Hollywood needs to tone down the appearance. My suspension of disbelief and my enjoyment of all of Hollywood is being hindered by the fact that they can't put normal looking people in stuff. I was watching the Jurassic Park trailer this morning. Looks wild. It looks wild. But at the same time, I'm thinking, shit's hitting the fan, this and that. And the fucking eyeliner is perfect. That bugs you?

It bugs the shit out of me. How can anyone get excited about that as a filmmaker? Like, you at all costs want this person to suspend disbelief and pretend they were there for a minute. Well, beautiful women sell movies. Goddamn. Beautiful people sell movies. I don't agree with that. How come in The Walking Dead no one grows a fucking beard?

Hell yeah. You know? Hell yeah. Rick, that's it. He's the only one. Everybody else is shaving. Not allowed. It doesn't make for a good billboard. Is that what it yeah. I'm a retro beard. Rick. That's it. He's the only one. Everybody else is shaving. Not allowed. It doesn't make for a good billboard.

Is that what it is? I don't know. No one's like hairs growing all fucked up and scraggly. Their hair stays the same length for years. Same thing as the makeup. They make certain concessions to be more glossy. Well, if you're paying attention to this recent season, there's a woman in the recent season that always has fucking lipstick on.

There you go. And a perfectly clean and pressed suit. There you go. It's like, this is fucking ridiculous. What self-respecting person can accept that in their content? Come on. If you watch movies from back in the day, before shit got all glossy, you had people that looked like regular people.

They'd be cast. Leading role. Teeth weren't perfect. Like who? Give me an example i don't know if you watch old scorsese movies like mean streets and shit like that people had big noses you know i mean you don't even need a specific exam watch anything from 30 years ago and it's like wow either but that fucks with people's perception of what now actually is and

what they need to do to participate in that whole thing from an appearance standpoint. It's like, when you put so much emphasis on the superficial stuff, everything else... Like Gene Hackman. Perfect example, right? Yeah, that's a bad motherfucker.

Bad motherfucker. Right there. Yeah, there you go. There's many examples of it. George C. Scott. There you go. You know, who came to mind

when I originally thought of an ugly... Like, right now, try and think of a straight-up ugly, and no offense to this individual, but a straight-up ugly leading man. Gerard Depardieu. Right. But that's kind of like, that's that French thing. He's gone, though.

He's gone. He disappeared. Not only that, he vanished and he left France. He doesn't even live in France anymore. Gerard Depardieu left his country because of taxes. Didn't want to pay. He drinks like six bottles of wine. There you go.

He eats a stick of butter every 20 minutes. You see, he's winning. That's fine. I'm cool with that. But as far as that penetrated my force field for content was when Steve Buscemi got the leading role on Board boardwalk empire right i was like see that's famous though if you break through if you find a way through that's what i mean that's what i'm saying but try and find another dude for a minute like he looks like a

creepy dude right he gets he and i'm sure he knows this because he gets cast in those roles all the time so i'm not breaking any news here but for him to have the ability to sort of be the face of an entire piece of like uh the people are better looking on even the zombie shit right now the walking dead even than he was in the gangster they could have cast somebody better looking but they chose him like he looks like a real guy that i would encounter yeah there are a lot of beautiful people on that walking dead that's what i'm saying the pretty girl that has the asian boyfriend she just she never gets scraggly looking she always looks well fed her outfits like i saw this outfit you got to remember i came i was watching the first season now i'm just

starting again right now i'm looking at her outfits i mean it it looks like you could have that could be in a magazine right now you know that's sort outfits i mean it it looks like you could have that could be in a magazine right now you know that's sort of like dirty like look like uh she went hiking yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly like the sock goes above the boot just a little bit you know it's like it's way too thought out i want to see fucking mayhem well that's the thing about 28 days later as opposed to like a television show 28 days later was fucking dark and the monsters the zombies they were so much more terrifying 100 it was a much more realistic scenario much closer and i was having this zombie discussion with uh with some people that i was watching with and we were trying

to think about realistic realistic zombie movies and we couldn't even besides 28 days later and it doesn't even make sense to say realistic because there are no zombies but i mean closer to our interpretation of what that might look like well if we consider the different diseases that exist in nature the different parasites that take over bodies the different i mean there are some incredible parasite host relationships in nature that are absolutely real yeah you know uh back to another podcast i was listening to about this the patient zero for for aids and oh yeah that was radio lab yeah i listened to that when it made the leap from ape like the perfect storm well the crazy thing is that it happened in the early 1900s. Right. They used the cut hunter scenario.

So a hunter killed a chimp, and the chimp had killed two different forms of monkey, and each one of those monkeys had a different immune deficiency virus. That's right. And those viruses combined and made the jump to a person. Yep. Basically, it required the both of them to be able to replicate in a fashion that they were capable.

Because the immune system is actually fairly sophisticated in both apes and us that will find these kinds of issues and wipe them out. But this combination of the two of them had all the necessary information to build this super virus. But when I was listening to that i was like man any first of all why the fuck are people killing and eating apes

that's a bad move they've always been doing that i know that's happened forever i know but you say it's a bad move but when you're starving well they'll kill and eat anything right i don't know if you're so that genetically similar consuming that tissue that's a like they think it's problematic for sure but i mean you know that chimps regularly consume monkeys and it's a huge part of their diet they do that's fucking crazy oh well it's it's so crazy they prefer the organs yeah so they eat the organs first which means they're eating the monkey alive. Right. They grab the monkeys and they eat them organs first.

There's a crazy fucking video of these chimps. And they set up this very sophisticated hunting strategy where they have chimps that are like running forward, that are like pushing these monkeys towards these other chimps. Yeah. And then they come in from the sides too, and they capture them in the trees. Yeah. And they have this chimp grabbing this monkey, this colobus monkey, and the monkey's screaming. And the chimp is eating him from the hips first, just chewing.

Still alive. And the monkey's just screaming, and the look on his face, it's so human-like. And so is the chimp. It's really hard to watch watch but that's the harsh reality of of the jungle you know there's just and people live there too and they've always been shooting monkeys there's a new that you listen that radio lab you know that there's a new virus that made a jump from a gorilla to a person a guy who shot and killed a gorilla and has this there's a new like patient zero that they were discussing like if you wanted to find a patient zero there's a guy

that's infected with an immune deficiency virus that came directly from a gorilla what does that tell us about us though i i it's not us it's them i know but it really freaked me out when i first when i first saw heard about that like i remember vividly when i when I first heard about that. I remember vividly, when I first found out about chimps killing other monkeys, things that were really similar to them to eat for food, whatever. That animal developed as a carnivore or an omnivore, right?

Chimps? Yeah. carnivore or uh omnivore right chimps yeah like what what what is it what where where along the lines did they start eating other animals and not just vegetate forever yeah i mean probably with chimps probably from the moment they became chimps i mean the idea being that animals i think Animals, I think the current theory is there was climate change and that some form of primates experimented with different food sources. That's why some primates are still primarily vegetarians. But the more intelligent ones were the ones that started experimenting with meat. Yeah, because they had to, for two reasons. Yeah, because they had to, for two reasons. It's also one of the theories that is bandied about when they try to figure out why human brains develop so quickly.

Like the human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is apparently like the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record, according to some biologists. And one of the things they attributed to might be the switch in diet from a strictly, not just protein, but resources. Because in changing from a strictly plant-based diet, your digestive system had to work less hard because it wasn't processing as much cellulose. And there was more resources available to think about how to get these monkeys and eat them or how to get these bugs or how to find these rodents or whatever the fuck they were eating and killing. And then also the more intelligent animals were more effective. So the animals that were more clever, that figured out how to use tools, that figured out hunting strategies, those are the ones that were more effective in eating meat. And it was sort of a combination, like a perfect storm, like having less resources to deal with processing the cellulose

the plant fiber and so you're the the internal organs actually changed and altered over the period of time and in having less resources necessary to digest this plant matter the uh animal had more resources to grow its brain wow you know it's a lot of weird shit that's it has to take place there's in many many years person to develop development and so on and so forth but yeah i just i don't know for me when to see them in that kind of environment to see how savage they could become yeah and to know that that's our closest relative like whenever ever anybody talks about us sort of transcending our ape-like past and becoming far more intelligent and not fucking killing each other anymore, if

you look to your closest relative, they're violent as hell. That's true, but isn't there, like, a spectrum? When you think about, like, okay, there's the people that live in the jungle that eat bushmeat. Bushmeat being, you know, they'll eat anything. They'll eat chimps, they'll eat anything they'll eat chimps they eat gorillas there's those people that are eating that bushmeat but then there's also people here in america that are you know primarily vegetarian and they're concerned with their impact their carbon footprint they're concerned with animal cruelty they you know they use only if they have if they do eat

meat it's organically sourced they get get free-range chickens for their eggs. It's like more of a movement towards kindness than, for sure, than the monkeys and the chimps that live in that hard, scrabbled jungle. Oh, there's no doubt that we're gentler than that, and we're moving more towards being gentle in general. So, I mean, that's the spectrum, right? Isn't that the spectrum? The people that are in the jungle still, they're the ones that are still eating the monkeys. Right.

Very few people go on hunting trips to go get monkeys. But that shit's been the source of some of the world's most intense diseases. Sure. AIDS, Ebola, whatever it is. Well, also prions. They carry, if you eat chimp brains, they carry very similar prions to the prions that you get from mad cow disease.

Yeah. So it's like, I don't know, AIDS, they were able to find patient zero, but where does it actually come from? You know what I mean? It's almost like nature's way of making the most savage amongst us evolve because it kills them off.

Forced evolution. I mean, think about what AIDS is. I mean, people would say, AIDS is God punishing the queers. That's right. Well, maybe not, but maybe it's nature's way of punishing people that eat similar animals to what they are. And eating intelligent animals that are closely related to you in some strange way is how you develop those diseases and one of the big ones is mad cow disease comes from people forcing fucking cows to eat cow brains humans in new guinea especially uh uh cannibals

in new guinea have been observed having the exact same symptoms it's called jacobs kreutzfeld disease and it comes from being a fucking cannibal yeah it's called jacobs kreutzfeld disease and it comes from being a fucking cannibal yeah it's like nature is trying to get rid of the people so fucking stupid that they're eating people so so crazy so crazy that genetically speaking that those alterations can take place through particular activity yeah you know it's almost like it's set up it's like nature's set up for you to figure it out if you look at today don't eat each other. In this day and age, what we're dealing with in the age of information and the amount of resources that we have today is the highest level of information that's ever been available to human beings as far as we know.

Yes, 100%. The best access to information that's ever been available. And in this day and age, people are generally moving towards a kinder, gentler way of living life. Yes. You know, I'm a hunter and I take a lot of shit from some people that have these idealistic views of animals online. But I understand where they're coming from. My take on it is if you understood animals, you would understand that the death by a hunter is probably the cleanest, easiest, safest death that any of these animals could go through. And these animals are going to die no matter what.

You would also understand that the amount of protein that you can get from one deer or one elk or one moose, like that one animal dies and you could feed a family for a year. I mean, you shoot a moose, you could feed a family for a fucking year. That's real. I just shot a 900-pound moose. I have 400 pounds of meat coming. That's 401-pound steaks. How does that work? I always wanted to ask you that.

So you shoot the moose. There's the meat. Like how does it – you can't obviously hop on an airplane with a 900-pound moose. Well, I'm having it shipped. I'm having it shipped. It's very expensive. It must be frozen the whole way? Yes, it has to be frozen.

It's very difficult. A lot of times people just take some of it back and they leave it to the guide. Like I have a friend, my friend John is a guide up in Alberta. And he eats moose meat all year round because people give it to him. But he also gives it to his neighbors. They never buy meat from a store. They eat everything that they shoot or that their clients shoot. He's an outfitter.

So he takes people to these hunting environments. And they have massive amounts of meat that come from these animals. And the animals die like that. You shoot an animal with a gun. Boom. They fall over. They don't even know people are there. And then all of a sudden they're dead. What does it take to take a moose down?

Big rifle Yeah Yeah 7mm Remington Ultra Mag Boom Where do you hit them? The lungs is the best Double lung

Because you want to eat the heart You don't want to waste any of the organs The hearts are delicious Yeah Wow You want to eat I'll show you photos Yeah

You want to eat the heart The heart is delicious The liver is delicious They're very nutritious You don't want to ruin any of the internal organs some people don't eat organs i like them i think they're really good for you and they taste good especially if you prepare them right you always watch on those nature shows where like the lions will go for the organs first you're very nutritious the liver especially the liver dictates what wolf is the alpha male

the alpha male gets to eat the liver first really Really? Yeah. When wolves take out an animal, there was a guy who lived with wolves, and he had this weird fucking setup in this nature preserve where he was pretending to be the alpha male, and one of the ways he showed dominance is he would have a kill that they would place, and he would put a liver inside of it, and he would pull the liver out and eat it in front of these wolves.

Whoa. And then he would let them eat. Whoa. That was how he established himself and that's some gangster shit right there very gangster and very crazy because this guy wound up having to leave because he had to go and leave the preserve to help this local farmer who was getting his his his animals were getting killed by wolves so he had to scare them off so they set up all these speakers and put these wolf sounds and what they basically tried to do was pretend that a larger much larger much scarier pack had moved in and so they they pushed these other wolves off and he was gone for like a couple months i believe well when he came back the wolves no longer accepted him as the alpha so he had to beg for his position in the pack and the wolves were snarling at him and the new alpha was going to kill him and so this guy was in like dire danger

and he was whimpering and cowering and he had to completely bow down and submit to this animal that was previously allowing him to be the alpha crazy but this this wolf in the absence of the alpha this wolf had taken over that's that, that social hierarchy that exists within a pack, that's got to be, is that exclusive to wolves, first of all? No, it exists in chimps, it exists in gorillas. Chimps as well. It exists in a lot of alpha male. Predatory animals. Not even just predatory.

I mean, gorillas aren't predatory at all. Gorillas are vegetarians. Right, but they'll fight each other. Yeah, when you look at a gorilla's teeth, those are for defense. Those are for fighting. Right. They don't eat anything but vegetables. How do they become the biggest ape? Crazy. Crazy.

What was that ape you were talking about on some other podcast? Bondo ape. Bondo ape. The Beely or Bondo ape. It's an enormous chimpanzee. But not as big as a gorilla? No, not quite. Interesting. But really big.

Nests on the ground like a gorilla. But there's very few photos, very few videos of them. They have skulls, though. They know it's a complete subspecies of the chimpanzee. It actually has a crest on its forehead like a gorilla does. A gorilla has almost like a mohawk crest down the center of his head and enormous biting muscles. It's interesting when you have the long-term development

of specific traits as an identifier. Like your body is reacting to the social environment in a physical way, given enough time. Well, it kind of makes sense if you think about the variety of humans. I mean, they're always finding new species of humans. They found this new human that lived in Russia as recently as 40,000 years ago,

complete subspecies. There's Neanderthal, there's Homo sapien, and there's that hobbit person they found in the island of Flores. That fucking thing was alive 12,000 years ago, man. It's wild. 12,000 years ago,'s wild 12 000 years ago there was a three foot tall monkey person look look at the variety just of people that exist right now

yeah just that you i remember uh on a previous podcast you're talking about uh that mma fighter the uh transgender mma fighter and then you also said like african-american females have the same bone density as untrained males like uh men who don't if you lift weights men who lift weights have a higher bone density right then men who don't live weights right african-american females have a very similar bone density to white males who don't lift weights that's crazy crazy yeah and so then you you would assume that african-american males have an even bone and even thick and even higher bone density yeah bringing up the bringing up the question of like because the argument in that particular case was that she has a strategic advantage right right? Not just density. There's a mechanical advantage.

Of course. Shape of the hips, size of the hands. Of course. Size of the jaw, the ability to absorb punishment. Right. It's different. It varies. But also the argument can be made across the board.

I mean, there are some men that are way more feminine, and if they transition to a transgender woman, they would be way closer to a biological woman than if, say, like Mark Hunt transitioned to being a female. I mean, that's a tough sell. You know, take Brock Lesnar and turn him into a transgender person. Like, you got a fucking tough sell. It's very problematic whenever you're dealing with changing nature and trying to balance things out. That's the argument against testosterone replacement therapy.

Testosterone replacement therapy was erroneously allowed. And then they realized like, well, what the fuck are we doing? We're allowing guys essentially to take steroids. The idea being that some people were unfair. It was an unfair disadvantage because they didn't have as much testosterone. So you allow them to take it. But then guys were taking like fucking alien levels of testosterone i mean they they had one guy test at the average person has between 300 and 600 like for a really

young healthy man milligrams to nanogram whatever the fuck that right but whatever the the measurement is but this guy had 1475 they you know he was on the testosterone placement like okay you fuck you know like ruin it for everybody just ruin it for everybody you're juicing you're taking steroids and that's you know it's like some people have naturally high levels yeah so but there's also some people that have naturally low levels and the argument is some people are more athletically inclined and there's some people that are just they're just whatever they do they're going to have this ectomorphic like pudgy body so for a long period of time presumably fighters were fighting with testosterone no problem well they it wasn't even it wasn't a thing that was restricted right adding it

it wasn't always restricted. Oh, it was. Yes, always. Yes. Well, before they were being tested, this is primarily speculations, but based on a lot of evidence. From fighters, from firsthand accounts of guys who actually did this, a giant percentage of MMA fighters in the early days were on steroids. A giant percentage. Like a huge percentage like a huge percentage 90 something crazy okay let's say even if it's 60 that's crazy right you know

um and then they started doing urine tests and urine tests are essentially an intelligence test all you have to do is cycle off by the time you weigh in on, you know, fight day. Yes. Or after your fight. And as long as you've cycled off, you have all the benefits of taking testosterone or whatever the fuck you're taking, and none of it shows up in the urine test. Then people got caught even during urine tests. And they're like, oh, okay, well, you fucking dummies.

You have made us want to look deeper into this thing. And then they started doing random tests on people, and then they started catching a lot of people. And then they said, okay, what we need to do is do really heavy-duty comprehensive blood tests. And that's what the UFC has started doing fairly recently. The problem is they're really expensive. They're doing that to comply with what? Not with anything. No one's asking them to do it.

They're doing it because they want to clean up the sport. Because the sport is a huge image issue. And also, from a safety perspective, a person who's on testosterone, say if you and another guy who are of the same age or the same body type, your same weight, and you decide to fight. But your opponent is taking all sorts of performance enhancing drugs. It's conceivably possible and very likely that he'll be able to hit you more than you'll be able to hit him he'll have more endurance he'll be able to do more damage to you not always there's a lot of people that have been on steroids that have lost so even though they had an unfair advantage they didn't have the skill level of their opponents so they've lost so here's a question for you then in in that scenario what if both are on testosterone yeah but

then you're requiring people essentially to compete at a fair level you're acquiring them to take something that's going to fuck up their endocrine system because if you take testosterone you don't need it if you're a person like you know your your ball gets shot off in the war you know and you know you're not producing it i mean that's pretty specific i don't know why i said that okay you know you for whatever reason and you um you are allowed to take a hormone that's one thing but if you're a person like you who's young and healthy and you just choose to do it to give yourself an advantage and then you force your opponent to do it to give him an advantage you know he has to do it in order to keep up with you. The issue is his body doesn't need extra testosterone.

He's adding it to it. So your body's confused. Even though it's a performance-enhancing substance, your body's confused as to why the levels are so high. So your body stops producing natural endogenous testosterone. That becomes a problem. And that's how they got around these tests for the longest time because they said my client needs testosterone why look at his blood tests and the blood test showed a very low level of testosterone what they didn't show is the reason why it was low

is because he was taking extra testosterone and it forced his endocrine system to freak out the endocrine system of freak out. The endocrine system of the guy who's getting 1,475 is like, well, we don't need to make fucking testosterone. We got plenty. Yeah, but see, the argument being, obviously, I've heard it mostly applied to baseball. It seems like baseball was the big issue. They had guys in the courtroom and whatever it was. And then there was this counter argument, which was like, well, don't to see home runs see but that's different in mma mma is you're dealing with a sport that's primary objective is

to damage your opponent right and if you can give someone that lets them damage their opponent better more efficiently you're essentially allowing them to create a crime i mean this that's been the argument by people who are clean you know athletes who don't take it like you're you're it's like assault like what you're doing is like you're hitting them more than you should be able to you're cheating and in cheating you're causing damage to your opponent and you should be perhaps responsible for that damage that you cause to your opponent wow do you agree with that yeah it's it's a very good argument it's i mean it's a logical argument. It's like many things in life, like the transgender argument.

It's not a gray, it's not a black and white issue. It's gray, yeah. You know, I've always said that I'm in favor of men fighting women if the woman wants to fight a man. Get out. I'm in favor of people riding bulls. I'm in favor of people, you know, you want to wrestle a bear? I'm not stopping you.

Right. If you're a grown adult with a functional mind and you understand the risks and you want to do whatever the fuck you want to do yeah i'm you want to do it you go right ahead i don't have any problem with it but there's a you know you're at a disadvantage right if a woman wants to fight a man there's no doubt about it she's at a physical disadvantage it doesn't mean that a woman can't beat a man it is possible it's most certainly possible that a woman who's highly skilled could beat a man that's the same size as her yeah but it's also possible she'd get knocked the fuck out you know that's possible too and there's a woman named lucia reicher who's a famous mma fighter

would you watch it rather would you watch it i'd, dude. I couldn't say I wouldn't watch it. I'd watch everything. You would watch, let's say, Ronda Rousey fight a man. Yes, I would most certainly watch it. Skilled, an actual dude from the same weight class. Look, I don't think she would fare well. But if she wanted to do it and it was going to be on television, I'd probably watch it. I'm going to be honest. Wow.

Yeah, I mean, what am I going to do? I'm going to not watch it? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just saying it. I would encourage it. If she called me up and said, hey, I going to do? I'm going to not watch it? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just saying it. I would encourage it if she called me up and said,

hey, what should I do? I'd say don't do it. I agree with you that it would be a tough one for her, right? So because of that, I feel like I could already predict the outcome

and I wouldn't want to see that. Maybe. Maybe she armbars the fuck out of that dude. Right. That's possible too. Right, but it's

a dangerous maybe. Well, think about the early UFCs. When Hoyce Gracie fought Kimo, for instance, Kimo was far stronger, far larger, far more powerful in his ability to deliver strikes than Hoyce was. But Hoyce got him. He fucking had a war. He duked it. But his greater skill level prevailed.

And that was the essence of what the UFC, what made the UFC so special. It was completely unfair. He had one, you know, quote unquote, professional fighters. The word professional is a very loose term. Some technique. I mean, Kimo most certainly eventually became a legit professional fighter. No doubt about it.

But back in the day, he was a martial artist who was competing in the UFC. He was like 260 pounds and hoist was 175. i mean kemo was jacked i mean just jacked he came in carrying a giant wooden cross on his back i mean the whole thing was craziness so without a doubt he had physical advantages over hoist but hoist's skill level allowed him to prevail. Right. So if that's legal, why wouldn't it be legal for Ronda to fight a man who is her same weight? Well, I guess there's a difference between legal. Obviously, I don't think it should be illegal,

but I guess I've just personally, I feel like I could fairly accurately predict the outcome and then not want to see that outcome. Well, it all depends on skill level. So let's take a, for instance, let's take a middle-of-the-road MMA fighter that fights at 155 pounds and make him fight Cain Velasquez. He's going to get fucking steamrolled.

But let's take Hicks and Gracie when he was in his prime and make him fight a guy who's the same size as Kane But doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. He did that before it when Hickson was like 19 He fought this guy Zulu who's just enormous Fucking super muscular dude that Hickson fought in Brazil and Hickson beat his ass twice. He got his back and strangled them, right? He weathered the storm. i had this fucking giant guy smashing him and jumping all over him but he eventually used his skill level to defeat him

so it's skill level is relative yeah it's a huge issue in the contest yeah yeah physical you gotta have the combination right for sure right i guess i just it's it's interesting because they put i was looking at the uh what is it pound for pound thing and they put ronda rousey on the pound on the pound for pound thing what does she fight at 135 yes yeah and so you know i don't know that's i guess that's what stood out to me like it doesn't even i don't know to me it didn't make sense well women's mma she's number one oh i know hands down right for sure but she was in the list with the dudes. Yeah. See, that's tricky. It's tricky. I mean, it's very subjective.

The pound for pound list is very subjective. My opinion is Mighty Mouse Johnson's the best. Yeah. He fights at 125. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I look at technically what he's able to do, I don't think there's anybody like him in MMA. He does everything perfect.

But a lot of people don't think of him as number one because he fights at 125 pounds. He's a small guy. And they look at like Jon Jones, who's also elite. I mean, so good. But he's 205. So you think of Jon Jones as being the number one guy because he's knocking guys out and submitting guys. But Demetrius is doing things perfect. Yeah, like if you scaled up Demetrius.

Oh, my God. Demetrius is doing things perfect Yeah like if you scaled up Demetrius Oh my god If you made Demetrius If he can move the way he moves And he'd be 250 pounds He would be the greatest fighter The world has ever known Right But some of it's relative too

Right Because is he facing the same competition No he's not And he's also not facing The same amount of dangers The amount of people That get knocked out In the flyweight division

Is relatively small Right In comparison to the number Of people that get knocked out In the heavyweight division He relatively small in comparison to the number of people that get knocked out in the heavyweight division. He's holding on to a few extra brain cells. Yeah, there's a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the ability to deliver power. When you think about what a 250-pound man can deliver and how much a 250-pound man can take as opposed to what a 125-pound man can deliver and what a 125-pound man can take, it's like at heavyweight man when guys

land big shots even the best guys go down even Kane Kane got clipped by one punch by Junior Dos Santos and his legs went out and he went unconscious yeah at least briefly that's just the reality of heavyweight fights it's one of the reasons why heavyweights are so exciting that's because they can end a fight with one punch. And that can happen at 205, and that can happen at 178. It's even happened at 125. I mean, Demetrius Johnson knocked out Joseph Benavides, who's one of the best in the world, period, in any weight class, with one punch. He just caught him perfect and knocked him out.

The whole knockout thing, it seems like UFC's changed a lot, right? In what way? Well, I don't know. I feel like I watched a card the other night. I think it was the most finishes in the history of cards. That was Sydney, not Australia. Yeah. That happens.

That happens sometimes. I don't have the statistics. Are more finishes happening in general right now? Well, they're rewarded for finishes so people are encouraged to uh get performance of the night bonuses yeah very financially beneficial to them but you'll also have a card where every fight goes to decision you know you'll also have a card where every fight goes to submission which is much rarer but can happen yeah i guess it's just conceivably at least yeah i guess it's just like it almost feels like a

guy's career is tied into his ability to knock out, maybe more so than being a well-rounded fighter. Well, you know. Like guys who are exciting get more fights than guys who may be more skilled. I don't know about all that. I mean, kind of, but ultimately the cream rises to the top. The best guys. The full package.

Yeah, the best guys win. I mean, look, say a guy like Rory McDonald, who was on the podcast yesterday. Oh, cool. Rory is not a guy who chases a knockout, but he's knocked a bunch of guys out. But he's just super skilled and technical, and he's undeniable. I mean, he's one of the top contenders, and eventually he's going to get a shot at the title. Yeah, but I heard him on an MMA podcast, and even he said that his most recent knockout was what he needed to cement the title shot. Well, it was a big win, too. He fought Tarek Safadi, who's a former Strikeforce welterweight champion, and destroyed him.

Just beat his ass. So it was a definitive, exciting victory. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. It's a better story. Travels farther. What sells? It's a better story. Travels farther. What sells? It's a lot of it what sells.

There's so many guys in that division. Matt Brown, Robbie Lawler, Hector Lombard. These guys are fucking ferocious. There's so many ferocious guys in that division. You've got to sell yourself. So you would say you climb the ladder faster if you're knocking guys out. Well, if you're exciting. But it could be submissions.

Damian Maia climbed the ladder fast by submitting people. It really depends entirely on what the route it is. And also, like, who you beat. You know, if you go in there and you beat a guy who's not that good, but you knock him out, that's not as impressive as if you go in there and you knock out Anderson Silva. Do you think that McGregor deserves the hype? Everybody deserves what they get. So, hype? Everybody deserves what they get. So yes? Everybody deserves what they get.

Whether or not he's the best in the world, that's to be determined, but he gets people excited. And that's a big part of what the sport is about. When we were talking earlier about charisma and teachers, like teachers having the ability to be excited about the subject matter and it makes people drawn to them. Well, in MMA, the ability to be excited about the subject matter and it makes people drawn to them yeah well

in mma the ability to get people excited about watching you fight is it's an aspect of fighting it's it's a it's a variable and you know to say that connor doesn't get why do you let them talk then how about we never let fighters talk you know how about we never do post-fight interviews it's obviously a part of the entertainment package of you want to follow a guy you want to know who he is And then there's some guys like John Jones the perfect example John Jones is spectacularly talented But people don't like him for some reason and I've speculated that some of it might be racism because he's this young cocky black guy But there's a lot of people that disagree with me and say no like they think he's fake They think his personality sucks.

Or they think that he does too many stupid shit, stupid things that are contrary to this Christian image that he's trying to sell. And there's a lot of variables. But the reality is, Conor McGregor puts more asses in seats than the number one pound for pound fighter in the world. And that's fucking crazy. John Jones is beating fucking everybody, man. He beat Ryan Bader.

He put Leota Machida to sleep. He beat Gustafson in the fucking unbelievable war of attrition. I mean, he's beaten everybody they put in front of him. He submitted Vitor Belfort. You can go on and on and on. His list of accomplishments have been spectacular. Conor knocked out Dustin Poirier. That's his best fight.

I know. You know? Knocked out Diego Brandao. You know what I mean? The good fighters, but it's not Jose Aldo. He's not destroying fight. Knock out Diego Brandao. Good fighters, but it's not Jose Aldo. He's not destroying Jose Aldo in the first round. It's like, what is it about it?

Do you fear that if it moves too far in that direction that it becomes more of a show and less of a contest? No, because there's always a guy like Cain Velasquez. Cain Velasquez doesn't talk much, beats everybody's ass. So you can still beat your way to the top. Yeah.

If Conor McGregor wasn't skilled, he wouldn't be getting as much hype. Part of what's hyped about him is that he's the perfect combination of things. He's an intelligent trash talker who's also highly skilled. And his results have been pretty goddamn impressive. Yeah. Whereas Cain, Cain is huge just because he's awesome. I mean, do you even, I mean, no one can even recall one thing that he said that's been, like, captivating.

But when he beats your ass for five rounds, this fucking unbelievable storm of punches and kicks and knees and takedowns and this never-ending gas tank, that's what makes Kane special. What makes him special is his fucking skill level, period. End of discussion. Same with Mark Hunt. No one's getting all fired up about Hunt's personality in interviews.

He feels awkward on camera. But, man, when he fucking launches a left hook and shatters dudes' jaws and sends them flying, that's what people get excited about. That works, too. I guess it's just interesting how the whole social media structure has, in every facet, increased the importance of your public behavior. Once upon a time, athletes, that was just not even something they had to consider. Right.

It's true. And now you're not just training at the gym. You're training with the PR person who's trying to help you get the most out of every tweet. Well, it's also the difference between a person, like who the person actually is, and their public persona. Right. That's eroded. Right. You get to know who they really are. If someone makes some really offensive or really ignorant tweets

and they put it on, you go, oh, well, that guy has these thoughts. The guy from Orange is the New Black, what is his name? Jason Silva, is that his name? Oh, Silverman. Silverman. Yeah. I read this article saying that he was ruining the show for them because his tweets are so stupid and uh i was reading i love that headline they are really

dumb his tweets are really wow they really they are really dumb his tweets but it's fascinating what way like it's just that stupid shit it's like wow, we can pull them off. No, I don't know. Is he offending people? He's not very bright. Wow. They're goofy. All right. Ignorant kind of tweets.

Okay. I mean, maybe he's not, maybe he's just not put a lot of effort into it. Maybe he's just, you know, sometimes people tweet shit and they just write it down. Yeah. And they don't expect it to be, like, scrutinized. And there's that possibility, too. You know, or maybe he's not aware of how goofy 140 characters comes off. So did they ask him to stop tweeting? I don't know, but I know there was a guy on ESPN that actually, there was a story that I tweeted the other day that he got suspended off Twitter because he was arguing about evolution.

Arguing for evolution with some other baseball player. And ESPN denied that that was the reason why he got removed. But what the fuck else could it have been? He was arguing with this former athlete who's like nuts, who believes the earth's 10,000 years old, one of those motherfuckers. Right. And he got suspended. Like the fact that ESPN can suspend you from Twitter. And ESPN says it has nothing to do with that.

Well, then you tell us what the fuck it has to do with, because none of the shit that he said was offensive. He was talking with no swears, no insults, talking about science and how important science was, talking about transitionary fossils, talking about the reality of evolution, this is the evidence, and they suspended him from Twitter. So what else would cause them to suspend him from Twitter? What the fuck could you do outside of tweeting that would cause you to be suspended from Twitter? And how the fuck does ESPN suspend a guy from Twitter? Not a part of their marketing plan. Well, you know, they're saying that they own you.

Yes. They own your thoughts. They own your ability to express yourself. Yes. Do you, there is a connection between the sports fan and religion, though. How many thank gods coming out after a fighter wins or someone wins the Super Bowl or... Maybe, but this guy was pretty clear about, he wasn't saying that there was no God. Oh.

He wasn't saying, he wasn't anti-religion. oh he wasn't saying he was he wasn't anti-religion all he was saying was he was pro-science those those that disagree with the concept of evolution or whoever it was he was arguing with that's still a large percentage of the public if that's really what they're going for no i'm obviously i mean obviously you're not no yeah you are but i mean god damn it espn right jesus fucking christ i mean that's just like how many times I mean, obviously you're not. No, yeah, yeah. I know how you are, but I mean, goddammit, ESPN. Right. Jesus fucking Christ. I mean, that's just like, how many times does it have to be explained over and over?

How many biologists have to come on board? How many times does evolution have to be explained? Well, I don't know that they need to believe it. I think that they're just more worried about satisfying an audience, a segment of the audience that they might have. What the fuck ever. an audience a segment of the audience that they might have what the fuck ever it's just so depressing that a sports network could actually have issue with a guy who's talking about i agree i agree with you and beyond that it's his twitter account exactly yeah but it's not oh if you if you i mean it is but if you work for espn it's not your twitter you're their bitch you're their bitch You work for ESPN.

It's not your Twitter. You're their bitch. You're their bitch. That's a common thing. They tweet for people that are on television shows. When I was doing a show, they asked me, they wanted to take over my social media. Get the fuck out of here. Yes, they did. And I told them to go fuck themselves.

I go, you out of your fucking mind. Who even asks you that? Who? I won't say. No, no, not a name, but like. This is a company that I was working for, a network that I was working for, that wanted to tweet for me. And I said, you can go fuck yourself.

You can't tweet for me. If you read a tweet, the only time a tweet's not from me is when it's an auto-upload of a YouTube video where it says, just uploaded, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not coming from my fingers on the keyboard, but it's coming directly from someone who works for me who's only tweeting something through automatic upload of YouTube. Yeah, there's a little checkbox that just says, yes, tweet this. Yeah, exactly.

And it's just to let everybody know that video's getting uploaded. It's not opinions, it's not facts, it's not interesting articles or stories that I find fascinating. It exposes, though, it exposes the whole deficiency of that traditional medium, how they can just sort of dangle it. You know what I mean? How compliance is such a huge part of it. Well, you know what happened with Joan Rivers, right? Oh, shit.

The endorsement? Yes. After she was dead? Yes. There was an iPhone endorsement? That's creepy. Like, what the fuck is that all about Very very creepy

How disgusting I saw that come up Ew So that's one of those things That's a bad look Where you don't realize You don't realize That's a bad look for Apple

I've been accused of that You know there's a thing called UFC Fight Pass That allows you to watch fights I love Fight Pass I love it too And I was using it I'm like man Fight Pass is fucking awesome I love this thing And I tweeted it And people were like was using it. I'm like, man, Fight Pass is fucking awesome. I love this thing.

And I tweeted it because it was, and people are like, you shill. How much they pay you for that? Like zero. They didn't pay me zero. Right.

You can't like anything. Well, I can't like anything that's UFC related for sure. Yes. Which is weird. What's good. This is what's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because people are, they're checking up. They're questioning things. They're not just accepting things for face value they're assuming that some fuckery is around and even though they're wrong in some circumstances i like the fact that they're scrutinizing but it's a bad investment for you for me personally yes i mean but not really because i can talk about it no oh no no i'm not it's a bad investment for you.

What did I mean to say by that? Like, you can go out there and talk about something that you like. Right. But the second that somebody can point out that maybe you were influenced in some way, then they have a case, right? Right. But if you allow that to happen, right, if you allow them to respond, like, do you respond back to them? No.

No. But on here, maybe. Yeah, I mean, I'm saying it right now on Twitter. If I did that all day, that's the people that I'd be responding to, and that would make people gravitate towards criticizing me so that I would respond to them. I mean, that's the trolling trap, right? Yeah. They criticize you so they get you to try to react to them and they go hi you reacted I won I mean that's what it is the game

and there's legitimate criticism that's interesting you know that like you gotta take into consideration there's people that have a perspective that maybe even if you don't agree with you can see their point of view and maybe adjust with what you're projecting so that you're more clear with your original intention or your your actual intention there's people that get things wrong

they you know and that's also a fucking especially when it comes to twitter it's 140 characters and it's typing you're missing inflection social cues yeah yeah there's so much that's missing context there's so much that's missing context there's so much that's missing yeah it's such an that's one of the issues that i have with blogs like you can write a bunch of really harsh shit in a blog but while you're typing things out like a conversation is a real way to communicate things and when you're typing things you can you know you're you're missing all sorts of social cues and context you're missing who is that person that's writing that i want to see your fucking stupid face when

you're writing this or when you're saying this i want to see someone challenge you on it and see what your response to the challenge is so i know who you are as a human and i know whether or not to take your ideas into consideration so then what's the consequence of people communicating less this way and more through their thumbs a lot of confusion for sure there's there's and also the ability for individuals to draw the conclusions that reinforce what they already think yes which is a problem it's definitely a problem and it allows people to have careers that are social retards. There you go. It allows them to express themselves in this really distorted way and basing it on their preconceived notions of what this person is and this is the result I would like to draw, so I will write a fucking thousand words on this. Yes. The internet has allowed for individuals to hide in a way that they were never capable of before. You just get around a group of like-minded individuals and jerk each other off all day long, and you're gold.

Yes. Well, there's a really interesting article that I was reading about this guy who was a part of this skeptic community. And he disagreed with these other people in the skeptic community. And this woman who's in this community had written some blog criticizing him and he said that he was going to be at this certain conference he would love to discuss it with her and she wrote do not approach me at this conference do not say and he was like well you wrote 14 different blogs mentioning me and i can't even say hi to you and then then another man said, I am also going to be at this conference. And if you come near me and talk to me, I will have the conference organizers alerted.

The authorities will be called. But it's like you're a social retard and you're admitting you're a social retard because you're willing to communicate about this person. You're willing to call them out or fucking publicly shame them or whatever you're trying to do with your written words. Right. But as far as like actually communicating, like human beings were naturally doing before the internet, you don't want any part of that. Right. Like you want to be able to criticize them but not communicate with them. You want to have more control over the discourse than you should be allowed. Well, you also want to define reality.

Yes. You don't want reality defined. You don't want that person to be in front of you and go, never said that like that's not what i mean you know that's not what i mean what you're doing is reinforcing your own narrative by distorting reality social anxiety uh high school all over again you know i mean that's what they're trying to avoid they're trying to avoid confrontation by creating confrontation in in a literal way in a way where you know in in a written word way an insulated way that's why then they put it on a blog preach the choir anybody disagrees ban them anybody

disagrees in the comment section ban them and create this fucking echo chamber and it's so unhealthy and that's i mean that's a lot of progressive thinking today they'll call it progressive but it's like so closed off to any alternative points of view yeah you know i mean it's a progressive conservative conservatism right it's like it's like a religion yeah in a lot of ways it's it's in a lot of ways it's more restrictive yeah alternative and also very unkind you know one of the things about like a lot of progressive culture today is this call-out mentality and this ability to shame. I got something coming up, a video that I'm doing for charity this holiday season.

It's for UNICEF. I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it or whatever. Too late. I already did. And they approached me and they're like, listen, you you know this time of year you're going to be showing off all the latest and greatest cool stuff for people to buy uh would you be willing to unbox our survival box they have a survival box which is like fundamental things that can help people survive in shitty uh parts of the world anyway and immediately after i said yes to do it i thought oh fuck has unicef

fucked anybody over right you know like what did i just open myself up to right because there's this concern that like through association even if my intentions were the best that to the right person i may have just added just the right amount of fuel for them to build an identity around my decision that's so true, right? You have to be really careful when you attach yourself to any organization. Very, very careful. So then now I'm reading the Wikipedia on UNICEF and it turns out that they collect, in terms of revenue, like billions. They're huge.

like billions like they're huge but on the positive side a way to evaluate a charity is to see how much money actually makes it to the people that you're supposed to be helping as opposed to like the administration like right the uh salaries of the people that work there and 92 percent gets out to people that's incredible which is pretty good that's incredible i mean that's probably the best i've ever heard. Is it? I don't think I've ever recalled, I don't recall anybody getting that much. I've heard of horrible scenarios. Yeah, where zero.

Or like 80%. 80% goes to administrative costs, 20% goes to charity. And that's like common. That's fairly common. Yeah. And they'll say, well, there's no other way. There's no other way around it. There's some pretty big offenders.

Sketchy charities out there. Yeah, if you Google the percentage of money that actually goes to charity, there's some pretty harrowing numbers. We've talked about it on the podcast before and listed all the different ones. Yeah. Some of them are just disgusting. There's a lot of fake fucking charities. And people get involved. And I'm like, do you remember when Wyclef Jean was running's a lot of fake fucking charities. And people get involved.

And I'm like, do you remember when Wyclef Jean was running for fucking president of Haiti? No. Yeah. That's like one of the big criticisms was that how much of the money was going, like, that he was trying to generate for his campaign. He was trying to benefit Haiti after Haiti got hit by that big earthquake. Okay. And they found out that, like, a very small percentage of the money was actually going to Haiti. How could that not be illegal?

I don't know, man. I don't think there's actually a legal number. So you can start a charity for a particular cause, have no interest in servicing that cause, keep all the money for yourself and call it salary? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's a huge fucking problem, right?

Yes, it should be. But I think you can get away with some shit, man. Apparently. Yeah, that seems to be the case. Yeah. Quake gains little. Wyclef can be found at Hip Hop Artists... What was I saying?

Quake in Haiti. Little can be found of a hip-hop artist charity and there's um he was claiming that he endured a crucifixion after the earthquake when he faced questions about his charity's financial record and the ability to handle what eventually amounted to 16 million dollars in donations that's so dark man yeah i don't know like how much actually went where what obviously i don't yeah i know he could be swindled by some dude that he was attached to who ended up misusing the funds yeah it's possible but somebody in that chain of command is a dark human being this is what it says. The forensic audit examined $3 million of the charity's 2005 to 2009 expenses and found $256,580 in illegitimate benefits to Mr. Jeanne

and other Yale board and staff members, as well as improper or potentially improper transactions. These included $24,000 for Mr. Jean's chauffeur services and $30,000 for a private jet that transported Lindsay Lohan from New Jersey to a benefit in Chicago that raised only $66,000. So 50% of the money that the benefit raised went to Lindsay Lohan's jet. Yeah. I don't know the audit considered it appropriate though for the charity to pay mr jean one hundred thousand dollars to perform at a fundraiser in monaco because that was his market rate so he did a fundraiser and during

the fundraiser that he organized he got a hundred thousand dollars he had himself paid one hundred thousand dollars for a fucking fundraiser well i'd like to be clear about this upcoming unicef video they did offer me money to do it and i said hell no how about that it also found acceptable for this yaylee, I guess is the name of the benefit, to spend $125,114 on travel and other matters related to a 60 Minutes report on Wyclef's mission to help the people of Haiti and his personal success story. What? So what's the fallout for this? People think he's a piece of shit. Right.

That's probably it. I didn't even know about it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's like, I mean, if he generates all this money and more money goes to the charity than would have gone to the charity without him doing it, is that a benefit? Is that an inappropriate thing?

It's, I don't know. I think him getting paid a hundred grand to do a fucking show when he's doing a charity. I mean, I've done fundraisers. You know what I get paid? Zero. I thought that was the whole idea. Yeah. Every time I've done a fundraiser, I've gotten paid zero money.

Yes. He got a hundred grand doing a fundraiser. That alone is fucking bullshit. Yeah. That's bullshit. But that plays up the whole thing we were talking about earlier about how people want to attach themselves to something. And because of that, it's easy to prey on those individuals i'm doing a charity i help

the poor don't you want a piece of that doesn't your that doesn't your psyche require that that great feeling that comes through donation yeah definitely definitely but the problem is with things like this i think people are fools if they don't know that that's going to get out oh you mean in his case yeah yeah you have to be a fool to not know that someone's going to find out you spent 30 grand on a fucking private jet to fly lindsey lohan to do a benefit like what how what what lindsey lohan uh-huh i'm confused you know you're not flying nelson mandela somewhere all right like what what kind of an impact is lindsey lohan a young pretty actress girl gonna have on your fucking charity for haiti right you're telling me that that money wouldn't have been better spent on haiti itself like that

seems crazy yeah this is one of the benefits of the distribution of information and things opening up is like once upon a time if some charity's asking you for money and you have you literally there's no way to even look for that information to figure out where that money is going. So it's going to be, it's obviously harder now to hide those operations. Oh, yeah. Well, in his case, yeah. Could you imagine what it would have been like just decades ago just to audit an organization that's a charitable organization? I mean, how many charitable organizations over the years have been total frauds? Yeah. Just bilking money from people.

Cash, too. Is there a standard number? I mean, do you have to have a certain percentage that is, like, dedicated towards the charity for it to be charitable? I mean, personally, just from, like, a logic perspective, if it would seem it would have to be half, no? At least. Am I crazy? Does that seem reasonable? Yeah. Well, even that. I i mean you think of unicef unicef

is fucking rocking with 98 percent 92 90 that's amazing the crazy thing is though i still did the math on it and they're so huge that that remaining eight percent is still a big number the worst uh there's a thing on uh america's worst charities america's 50 worst charities rake in nearly 1 billion for corporate fundraisers this is very fitting this time of year because these these vultures these vampires they're out right now yeah this is when they're coming after you above the law america's worst charities kids wish network, millions of dollars. They only give up three cents on the dollar to helping kids. That's incredible. What, the Children's Wish Foundation?

Wish Network. Oh, okay. They're like a ripoff of the... In 2010, they hired the crisis management woman. I'm not going to give her name, but did the BP spill? That helped them. Perfect. Disgusting.

It's just, you know, there's so many vultures out there. And there's so many people that they want to make a lot of money being involved in charities. They're like, you know, I'm a CEO of a charity. I should be making what a CEO of a corporation would be making. Well, that's like, that's counterintuitive. That goes against what everybody thinks of when they think of charities. Right. They think of you doing it for charity.

Like you're doing it. This is like you're doing it to help. How do you feel about charity in general? It's a great thing if it's real. It's a great thing if it's real. I mean, if it really can benefit. But too much of it could be a problem too, right? Too much charity?

In what way? Well, I don't know. too right too much charity in what way well i don't know everyone always talks about like aid going to africa and then warlords and shit taking control of it and it only helping them maintain their grip of of power and yeah that's kind of a different conversation oh i know it's not yeah like real charity is like red cross like when people need blankets and there's some sort of a disaster. Right. And they come in, they give food, and they set up a food kitchen for folks. You mean like charity here?

Yeah. Local charities? Well, charity that you can audit. Hmm. I see what you're saying. Charity where you know it's going to be. Like if you watch like a soup kitchen line, like, okay, that's real. Like these people get fed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to contribute to that. like a soup kitchen line like okay that's real like there's these people yeah yeah yeah i want to contribute to that if you're sending money to you know fill in the blank yeah some country sending money to the congo well yeah the unicef one is to help people there in africa and that's the that's the weird part of it okay so it's 92 is going to those people, but how much of it actually goes to help? People suck. And I think that's the conclusion that we can probably draw somewhere around. Yeah.

Like whether it's from Ferguson or this fucking CBC guy that's beating chicks up or Bill Cosby drugging people and raping them. We have focused on a lot of negativity this podcast. A little bit bit i feel like we could we could have done better where's the optimism it's too late well there's also the thing that when you're aware of negativity it kind of when you expose it it makes it much more difficult for that negativity to prosper in the future i suppose you're correct about that right so maybe in that case our negativity was actually positivity. I would like to look at it that way.

Seems convenient. Yeah. I would like to say that we did some good. We had some discussions. We highlighted some gray areas. Yes, it's true. They need to be highlighted. Yeah.

Yeah, you need to be aware. Well, it's also what we're doing is by doing a podcast, by talking about stuff, and by examining these ideas as open a mind as we can, you're exchanging information, and that information gets people to think about these things, and changes their perceptions in the future of what these things are. You know, like, we didn't know that there was a radio guy that likes beating the fuck out of chicks we didn't know until that information got out that guy was a big time radio guy in canada for a long time until the information got out that he was beating people up or beating women up yeah so in that case you could you know the argument is that that information getting us

getting getting out and then us talking about it is going to get to people who may have sure been like him right maybe they would deter them from doing the same thing i don't know right and there's there's there's a certain amount of positivity and justice yes you know when someone's doing what bill cosby allegedly did drugging women what do you think will happen with bill Cosby? That's a good question. With this guy, this Jean whatever the fuck his name is guy, getting arrested and going to jail, I find it hard to believe that someone's not going to file charges against Bill Cosby.

And it's just gathering steam right now. Well, it's just a matter of how much evidence they have, how much evidence you need. Well, I heard that the issue right now is there's a restriction. What is it? The statute of limitations. Statute, yeah. Yeah. Oh, the age?

That the crime was more than 25 years ago, right? Am I right about that? 25? I don't know what the number is. That's tricky when you're dealing with a guy that's that old, too. He probably doesn't fuck anymore. Did you see? Right?

I mean, he has to take Viagra to rape now. He's going to go way out of his way to rape now. Yeah. I mean, he's got the... He's got the... He's got the... He's taking the right vitamins. Probably.

Did you see the Associated Press thing? Yes. With him? With like the little clip there? Ooh, it was creepy. Was that evil? Ooh, scary. The way he responded to it was like,

We don't discuss these things, and I was relying on your integrity. Is that evil? Ooh, scary. The way he responded to it is like, we don't discuss these things, and I was relying on your integrity. Is that evil? Is that pure evil? There's a lot going on there, man. First of all, it's this elite royalty attitude. First of all, he gave them the royal, we do not respond. That's amazing, right? We.

I'm talking to you, man. That's a sociopath we means we means that he views himself as a character right isn't that what that means what does we means there's more than one of him yeah what does that mean we the organization known as bill cosby yeah artists known as bill cosby representative of the artist the real version and the persona he's admitting there's two versions i have a team behind me we do not respond and he kept saying integrity in this weird world i'll rely on your integrity and i yeah i relied on your integrity to not that always kills me what i always think about whenever i see any shit like that is how would i respond had i not done it right exactly and i always think i'd say listen get the fuck off my case this did not happen

didn't do it this did i mean i feel like i'd be on that stand or whatever yes and i would not stop saying that this was not me exactly but yet you never see that exactly why the fuck do you never see that they're guilty probably i mean if you have to speculate obviously i'm just guessing yeah but if i had a guess when look if someone came to you and said lewis i know that what you were doing is you were uh duct taping dudes and fucking their mouth what after you drugged them you'd be like no i wasn't yet i didn't rape anybody in the mouth that i drugged. You can't fake that reaction. No, no, no.

The minute it starts to be labored and it starts to be contrived, you have to immediately say, what's the need for the show? Exactly. And there's also such a large number of people that he harmed. Which one? Cosby. Really? Yeah, there's like 17 women now 17 oh yeah oh wow i'm not caught up on him 17 yeah yeah there's a lot wow there's a lot of and more apparently are coming forth do you know what i heard saying is he was doing this

for decades yeah he had a system. I have three fucking daughters, dude. I mean, even if I didn't, I have a mom. You know, you've had no daughters. I love a lot of women.

You know, I love a lot of humans that happen to be female. The idea that someone can do that and that one of the people that I care about and love could somehow or another

How would you react? I don't want to say. You know, if I knew where he was, if I knew where he was know, if I knew where he was, if I knew where he was physically, if I knew where he was physically and he did that to one of my daughters, I'd probably be doing some jail time.

And he would be in some sort of a full body cast. At a young age, I saw the movie A Time to Kill. I don't know if you've seen it. Who's in that? Matthew McConaughey. It's before he started doing rom-coms and sold his soul to the devil.

He was in the AIDS movie. Yeah. No, now he's a badass. But he was Mad Mike or Magic Mike, whatever. Oh, you're going back to Channing Tatum. No. Wasn't he in it too? McConaughey was in that too.

He's Magic Mike. I don't expose myself to that kind of thing. But he recently did True Detective, which... Did you watch True Detective? Yeah, it was fucking great. Oh, wow. It was fucking great. That's the next level. but then he but he recently did true detective which did you watch true detective oh wow it's fucking great that's the next level but anyway i saw time to kill at a young enough age that he had a drastic impact on my life which the premise of that movie is um samuel jackson do you remember this yeah do you remember the premise barely oh okay so early on um like

that early 90s a black girl gets raped by a bunch of hillbillies. Right. Did they kill her? Yes. Or they might. No, no, I don't think they killed her. They damaged her irreparably. She would never have kids.

They raped her that badly. And she might have been eight or nine in the movie. I can't remember. And the father murders the dudes who did it. He kills them. Right. And McConaughey's character, the lawyer, is arguing that that was... Just.

Yep. Yeah. Well, remember that guy that there was a martial arts instructor that molested his kid? And the guy got arrested. And they were taking the guy. The cops were taking the guy through an airport or something like like that and the guy jumped out and shot him in the head yes and got off got off yes i do recall that yeah there's you know what man i mean there's certain shit that you can't do would any part of you though worry this is a very difficult question

would any part of you worry that the story you were getting from your daughter would be untrue if 17 other people said the same story time to die it's time to break cosby's arms both of them wow many places well there's 17 people i think if i if that was my daughter i would be so consumed with anger i don't know if I'd be able to contain myself. I would have to actively keep from being anywhere near him. Because if I fucked up, and I mean, there's something about victimizing people that's horrific. I know. There's something about victimizing a woman that's particularly horrific,

and then victimize a woman by drugging her, and then doing what you want to do with her body, like taking away their humanity. They become something that you use, like a fucking human fleshlight. They're out cold. You drug them. And then you fuck them. I mean, the real question is, right, the only thing worse you could do is beat them up. Or worse you could do is physically hurt them irre worse you could do is like physically hurt

them irreparably this is only worse like when you take away someone's ability to decide what they do with their body you take away like a part of what makes them a human being it's not drugging them Cosby I watch that's real I mean obviously we're saying yeah I agree but But you said yourself, when it gets to 17, it's not up for discussion. Yeah. You know, you're not talking about a guy who cheated on his taxes. You're not talking about a guy who, I mean, even awful things like drunk driving. He's a, you know, like a repeat drunk driver.

Yeah. Fuck, man. It's horrible. But there's something particularly horrible about a big, powerful man who drugs women. It's terrifying. And it's also confusing to people because they're like, God, he's so famous. He doesn't even have to. What's the deal here? He could have done it the right way and had incredible success right he was the man well it's also i think it fits that narrative

that like what is rape what it really is is not sex it's a power yeah it's a power and that's that also goes along with that whole we shit you know yep i mean the we shit is we do not respond to innuendo i would assume that you had the integrity and i was relying upon your integrity like what integrity it's creepy man and the guy who's interviewing him is like really intimidated and it's like this weird moment yep why is that because he's not famous and you know it's bill cosby and you're around him and you're not maybe maybe doesn't have a lot of experience you're gonna lose your job maybe maybe but at the time he didn't know probably what what the concept what the fallout would be for asking that question well what would you do in

that situation if you were the guy who's interviewing him would you push it am i me or like who are you you're you right now you're you were the guy who's interviewing him, would you push it? Am I me or like who are you? You're you right now. You're you and you have some, for some reason they give you a camera and they let you interview Bill Cosby. Holy fuck. And he wants to talk about his NBC sitcom. Anytime somebody, you get the feeling that somebody's deceiving you, uh, you, I mean

me personally, I can't help but not give into that. I can't help it. Not give into it? i mean to the deception yeah like i like i talked earlier about can't help not give into it give it give into it in the sense that challenge it okay yeah i've talked earlier about watching the first 48 like my favorite part is the interrogation yeah it's like it's creepy it's the the the glimpse into the into the mind for a moment of how the mind prepares to it to defend itself from anything the mind prepares due to self-preservation to say shit yeah and do shit that makes no sense that mean they're tripping over the excuses in an attempt to save their own asses, saying things that they don't even believe. Well, that's why it's got to be particularly frustrating if you're innocent and a cop is like, look, I know you killed her.

Yeah. You killed your wife. That's right. What the fuck, man? That's right. Imagine being in that situation. But the same thing happens, like we said earlier, about what would your response be? It happens in those rooms, in those interrogation rooms.

Right. about what would your response be it happens in those rooms in those interrogation rooms right where you get an immediate vibe as a viewer and i'm sure that the cops being experienced are the exact same way that a true date a true creepy fucking skilled murderer is obviously the worst because of how how great of an actor they are how great how great of a job they can do at exposing all the flaws in how you interpret them right how they can preemptively figure out what your questions are going to be and already have the answers and someone who is really planned out deception that That's right. Deep, deep in advance and is used to doing it on a regular basis. There is no antidote for that.

The only antidote for that is them eventually wanting to get caught so that they could say, it's me. It's always been me. So then they can be on the front fucking page. That's the only point at which it comes out. But you also realize watching that show that those guys are the shit that dreams are made of. Like there's one every – fuck, I don't know how long, true, pure evil. But the vast majority of them are not skilled in that arena.

Right. The vast majority of them are like, fuck, I don't know how this happened. Right. You know? And they'll try the defense their their defense in that state but it's stumbly and it's and it's so obvious that they're they're just attempting to you know to spin to spin a web and then so the cops can figure out which path they need to take uh to but it's very it's very weird watching it because i at times i feel like a sociopath watching it bro duncan calls it

murder porn i completely agree i completely agree with him because i watch it and i go uh you know i i know all the right answers i'm skilled enough now that's weird right you can like educate yourself watching first 48 that's right do you think here's a real question yeah do you think that as we get access to more information about each other and access to each other's thoughts like literally the the come the point in time where 10 years from now and we can record our memories and our thoughts on some sort of a hard drive and have it be exchanged whether it it's 10 or 50 or 100, whatever it is. Will we get to a point where we eliminate evil? Is that possible?

Is it possible to get to a point where we eliminate things like murder, rape, crimes against people? Why would an openness affect that? Consequences. There's 100% consequences to your action the only time you oh so complete in in complete surveillance yeah there's no opportunity to do it without getting caught yeah uh what do you think about pedophiles pedophiles scare the shit out of me, obviously, because I have kids. Because I watched that Louis Theroux thing he did on pedophiles.

They don't have a choice. Some of them don't. Do you know what disproportionate amount are left-handed? Jesus. Disproportionate amount of pedophiles are left-handed. There was an article in the New York Times that was arguing for pedophilia being a mental disorder that can be isolated and viewed. That you can actually figure out what went wrong, what genes went wrong, what genes. What went wrong? What genes went wrong?

What, you know, what genes? The final scene in that movie, maybe not the final, but near the end, in his documentary, sorry to call it a movie, is the guy that he's been going around with, basically his guide, the guy who's running the facility for the dudes who are responsible for pedophilia and whatever other sexual offenses. And he finally gets around to asking him the question because he has a little bit of an idea of the history of how

he ended up in all this and his reason for molesting or uh raping his two boys was that his wife wasn't putting out oh fucking christ his wife wasn't putting out. Oh, fucking Christ. His wife wasn't putting out, and the way that he was going to get back at her was to take it out on their two kids. Wow. I've heard of people doing that in terms of killing their kids, too. Yeah.

To get back at their wife for they've killed their kids. Yep. Yeah, there's some fucked up humans, man. You know? But in this particular case, the creepiest part about all of it was that the guy seemed way too normal. He seemed, throughout the entire uh documentary he was like the most relatable one of all of them you know he was he essentially was was driving driving him around he was the one explaining he's almost the narrator of the entire thing with the exception of louie

himself and uh it's almost like the dude uh you know, you have your traditional mindset of like what a pedophile is like. Maybe they were molested themselves or they can't help it or whatever. But in this guy's case, it just seemed like a fucking psycho. Well, I think when we think about what entails, like what ingredients are involved in creating a human being there's so many variables so many situations that come up so much information that gets passed from birth to whatever crime is committed from birth to shooting up a school there's so much going on there's so much data and it's so difficult to to discern like what is it that causes someone to become a murderer what is it that becomes that causes someone to choose a life of crime or to become a rapist or to do to do anything that

harms you what what where does it go and how can that be prevented and just becoming you okay becoming a nice guy becoming Becoming who you are. Think about all the fucking variables that are involved in becoming you. And what could have gone wrong? All sorts of things along the way. What drugs could you have been introduced to? How many times could you have been dropped in your head? What things could have gone wrong that have taken you completely off path?

How did this guy soak in and stay? How did he fake it so long? Is he faking it or is he broken? Is he lacking empathy? Is he missing some sort of a social? So if he was broken the whole time, he had people fooled for years. He had enough time to be normal enough to not exercise those thoughts he was having i guess if we want to

make the argument that he was always like that but in his particular case the thing that affected me more than any of that was that oh fuck i feel like this guy just snapped i feel like this guy wasn't broken that's's not possible, though. Think about you. What could your wife possibly do to get you to fuck your kids? Please. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I mean, it's not possible. There's something wrong along the way. Maybe it's some sort of inability to recognize his own actions, a non-introspective quality to his life, a block that he put up early on in life. Yes. You're completely correct in the sense that there's probably more to it. But I think the scariest thing to the regular person is he's too regular. Yeah.

That's the freaky part. I don't even know the guy, and you're describing him to me. I didn't watch the whole documentary. I went on a Louis Thoreau um marathon which is on my podcast very easy to do because he's fucking awesome he's really awesome he's a really interesting guy to talk to too so i watched the fred phelps one and i watched the african hunting one i watched a whole series of them so i didn't watch the whole one so i don't know that dude yeah i don't know if i would even recommend to watch it but just because because of that, it's intense, man.

Yeah, I mean, what goes into creating a you? I mean, when I say you, I mean everybody who's listening. Think about all the things. I think all the time about what made me me. Yeah. the idea of determinism the idea of all the variables your genetics your environment your the input your life experiences your successes your failures your lux you're zigging when you should have zagged you're hitting the brakes and a meteor lands in front of your car i mean there's so many fucking things that happen in your life and one thing that goes awful early can send you

down a bad road which could send you to another awful thing which can send you down a bad road which could send you to another awful thing which can send you down a bad road it's like it's like you know many dimensions playing out in front of you like the the potential the potential outcome of every single event and the effect of that and impact and it it makes you really question everything, our existence as a whole, the possibilities of that, you know? What also makes you wonder, is it possible to ever completely socially engineer the human race? Is it possible that we could get our shit together 100%

and have no evil and no crime and no rape and no murder and all done? We're done. We're good. We're all utopia now. We're all just kumbaya and hugging each other and smiling to our neighbors because the whole world's our neighborhood now. I think we are so addicted to conflict that we'll find a way to fuck it up. But are we always going to be? This is the question. Are we the same thing today that we will be a million years from now? Or are we just like those monkeys that came down out of the trees and started experimenting with new food sources and started eating meat and we'll find other people to do it for us we'll find

other things to do it for us a million years from now isn't it possible that we can evolve past this like we have evolved at least in this room yeah we have gotten to a point where i'm not worried about i we could all go to sleep together in this room i'm not worried about it either if you guys hit me in the head with a rock you know what i mean yes but if we were living in the congo that could be an issue if we were living in the congo a million years ago that could be an issue i suppose for me what i fear more than the the people around me is the and their decisions is the proliferation of negativity in general right why the fuck does this terrible shit spread like wildfire why is the news the news we we all still want it we just don't want to participate in a physical way

but don't you think like this this riot thing that's going on this closing of highways all across the country yeah the good in that of course is that there are so many people that regardless whether or not the narrative fix the facts what they want to do is they want to stand up for inequality. And even if it's not actually inequality, they want to stand up for it. And it most certainly is in some way because this guy, no matter what, whether what horrible things he actually did do, he didn't grow up in your neighborhood. He didn't grow up in my neighborhood. Okay. I got a fucking pretty sweet life.

I skated through. The difficulties that I had only made me a better person. Here I am in 2014 with no fucking criminal record. Never hurt anybody. Everything's fine. Good for you, man. Thank you very much. This guy didn't.

He didn't. His scenario was vastly different than yours and mine. So whatever played out that allowed him to get in front of that cop, I think what people are standing up for is not just police brutality. They're standing up for this recognition that there is inequality in the world and it needs to be addressed. Of course. That's one of the poorest areas in the country.

Yeah. It's fucked. Yeah. I was looking at crime statistics the other day and like adjusted for population like that is a fucking war zone with or without this police shooting you know what i mean yeah it's it's ultra poor and i i know that the reason people are attaching themselves to it is inequality and it's unfortunate i, that it takes this particular set of circumstances to have that conversation.

But ultimately, you can't really have a healthy society when there's that level, that disproportion between people who have stuff and people who don't. Well, you also can't have a society that has 350 million people. In general? I mean, how are you going to organize 350 million people? It's amazing that it works at all, to be honest. Is there a poor community anywhere where the crime is low?

That's a great question. I think, I don't know how much of it is about being poor in general and how much of it is subjective. If being poor in America means being poor relative to the richest people on the planet right that's a different ball game than being poor in india i know maybe not because now there's rich people there too but being poor in an environment where everyone's poor are you really poor do you know what the one percent of the world is you know what what the the number is that you have to make to be in the in the global one top one percent oh yeah it's way lower than people think right yeah what would you think it would be i feel like i'm cheating because you may have mentioned it

before okay go ahead was it something like 40 000 or 35 34 34 yeah anything more than 34 000 and you are in the top 1% of the world. Privilege. Enormous privilege. Enormous privilege in this country. Enormous privilege. That seems like, whoa. That strengthened the borders, increased the military. It's impossible to overcome that number.

We're dealing with it. I thought we were going to fix the world, but listen, I'm 47. I don't see a whole lot of time to do this. So let's just fucking live in a gated community and get a gun. How do you psychologically deal with that? Just keep on keeping on. The idea of privilege. What can you do? What can you do?

I mean, it's real. It's real as it gets. There's no doubt about it. Do you ever feel guilty about it? I can't feel guilty about where you are. I mean, I would feel guilty if I victimized somebody. I can't feel guilty about being born lucky. Well, you can.

I mean, can you feel guilty about being born lucky? I feel bad for people who aren't born lucky. Right. I see what you're saying. It's a little different. Yeah. Look, Bill Cosby, if he did it, should feel guilty. Yes.

You know what I'm saying? You shouldn't feel guilty that you are not a woman that's being raped. Yeah. Oh, shit. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Guilt might not be the right word, but there are days where I feel lucky. Right.

I feel lucky every day. Yeah. So what's the other end of that? Maybe guilt is not the right word but there are people who wake up every day and feel shitty right and so i guess i don't feel guilty but i don't feel great that knowing that the vast majority of the planet isn't but then again what the fuck is happiness really well and then the other thing is how much money is it relative like how much money does the vast majority of the planet need to live their lifestyle? You know, when you're talking about poverty, are they well-fed and happy?

Because that's one of the things about Mexico. Like poor people in Mexico. They seemed happy. Mexico is like one of the happiest countries on the planet apparently. Wow. With all the drug lords and all the consequences of that. That's amazing. But those people don't get happy.

Those people are really unhappy. The people have to deal with the drug lords. It seems don't get happy. Those people are really unhappy. The people have to deal with the drug lords. It seems to always be a question of contrast, really. It's like I come out here to L.A. and I'm amazed at how every single day is exactly the same, like from a weather perspective. Oh, yeah. Like I left the apocalypse back home to come here.

It could be July. Yeah. We're in November and it could's no july yeah there's no time the only thing i will say is it gets dark incredibly quickly especially being by the beach it's like in 20 minutes because we're trying to shoot videos and stuff it's like whoa where did the sun go but um that's because that stupid daylight savings nonsense whatever it is but but but. But regardless, it's always a question of contrast. It's like the good is better relative to the bad, right? Right. You need the bad to have the good.

You need the sad to have the happy. That's the idea of being a human being. The question is, will we ever evolve and grow to the point where that is not necessary? And would the universal mind created by technology, would that be the facilitator of that new mindset? So in that scenario, is there emotion? That's a good question. There can't be. There might not be.

There might not be sex. I've always said that about robots or about rather aliens. When you look at aliens, what do they have? They they have no muscle they have no sex organs big heads no brains like maybe they're i mean maybe they've found a replacement that's better than sex yeah the real alien is just the brain hooked up to something right it's not even there's no physicality at all right well maybe that's what it is maybe it's just some sort of artificial intelligence that it gets downloaded into a body and the only thing that's what it is. Maybe it's just some sort of artificial intelligence that gets downloaded into a body, and the only thing that's necessary is that the body has fingers that can articulate and move in a certain way.

Yeah. Matrix-type shit. I saw an article making the rounds on my Twitter about how people are getting neck problems from their smartphones. Oh, yeah. Looking down. Looking down. their smartphones oh yeah looking down looking down and the uh how posture and the weight of the head the amount that the cervical spine has to hold up beyond what it was designed to do and the like drastic number of consequences because of that oh yeah uh and it really makes

you wonder like the sedentary lifestyle like everybody works on a computer. Who the fuck, what profession doesn't require a computer or smartphone? None. Lumberjack. All right, so lumberjack, you're safe. But the vast majority, especially in the expanding sectors, are required to interface in a weird way with a monitor in a a posture that is not, is not, uh, our bodies weren't designed for. So that's why we,

we started using these chairs. Yes. Which I still feel like didn't fix me at all because I've been doing this, but it's still, that is better than the slump. Like you're leaning forward and supporting yourself, like your elbows on the table. That's not as bad.

Another thing they do is they have these chair or these tables rather that you stand and they stand with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Standing desk. I have one, a motorized one. Yeah, we just got one. Oh, you got one? Ergodepot.com.

They sent us these chairs. Oh, right. They sent us the desk. Shit, they might be the same guys who sent me the desk. I'm not 100% sure. Good boy. Is it a Jarvis, a Jarvis desk? No, I don't think.

Mine's called a Vert desk. Dude, these chairs are the shit. I was using this other one, the Sally chair, but it hurt my balls. Really? Yeah, it's like split down the middle. I think my balls are still hurt from that chair. It's not good, but this one's much better. But even with all the equipment and stuff for us to adjust our bodies into working.

Still not natural. And it seems to be continuing to progress in that direction. So you have to wonder, could there be a physical, what's the opposite of evolution? Devolving? Devolving. Could be. Physical devolvement. And then if you extrapolate that and push it way out, then it all of a sudden becomes the body is a problem.

Like the body is a is a problem like the body is just in the way or this could be an immediate intermediate step yeah in some new technology that doesn't require you to be at a desk or look at a phone or have some sort of so we can protect the physique yeah or your your frame you know just your your body itself yeah sitting is the new smoking is that what they say you haven't heard that no yeah Is that what they say? You haven't heard that? No. Yeah, that's what they say. I can imagine them saying that. Dude, we're out of time. Oh, really?

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