The Joe Rogan Experience - #597 - Magnus Walker & Alex Ross

Episode Date: January 10, 2015

Magnus Walker is a driver, a famous collector and builder of Porsches. He's in a short documentary called "Urban Outlaw" featuring his cars and his obsession with Porsches.  Alex Ross is the owner, and co-founder of Sharkwerks, which creates dialed-in, tweaked-out modern Porsches for Porsche enthusiasts.

Gas by night, all day! That's it, ladies and gentlemen. We're live. We're live with two fucking psychopathic car fanatics here in the lovely valley of Los Angeles. Magnus Walker and, of course, my friend Alex Ross from Shark Works, who I drove his car yesterday. I know you've driven his new creation. Yeah. Peace. That was, without a doubt, the scariest car i've ever driven it wasn't

the best environment for it because it was on the canyons and it's got so much power you you you can't really use it on those canyons because it's just so by the time you hit the gas you're hitting the brakes like you hit the gas you it's like something around 800 horsepower around there yep give or take depending what gas you use and like 3200 pounds 31 3100 pounds that's fucking ridiculous it's like a factory sort of gt3 weight with 800 horsepower you know gobs of torque about you know 650 to the wheels and wait till you're bouncing off the rev limiter you know second third gear yeah my experience second gear on the limiter was 87 miles an hour third was about 25.

And then by the time you're deep into fourth, you're just sort of running out of road. And have you done a top speed on that car yet? You attempted it yesterday. Well, officially we saw 147 somewhere yesterday, and we were not out of fourth gear. So it's probably got to be close to 200. Oh, it goes over 200. Actually, the way that kit works, it's already just in a turbo car it already does about 202 in the mile so in a lighter two-wheel drive car it's above i mean it'll trap 140 in the quarter easy it's like a it does everything you know you know there's always

this thing about cars where people always want to add more power and as you guys both know we're in this weird horsepower war now in the world where every year cars have to, if you have a car that makes 400 horsepower, next year it's got to at least make a little more. Yeah, 400 horsepower is like a Camry right now, right? Well, yeah, that BMW M3 that I have, which is a pretty moderate car, 420 horsepower. Let me tell you the craziest thing I did recently. Last year in July, I went to Norway to the Gatbull Festival. I don't know if you've heard of this thing. No. I describe it as like Mad Max meets Burning Man on steroids. And it's essentially a DIY drift fest. But essentially,

these guys, 800 to 1000 horsepower in a Volvo wagon, and they're drifting sideways around the whole track. So yeah, the days of 400 horsepower sort of being a benchmark are gone. But I'm sort of the opposite. I'm the less is more guy, you know. Yeah, well, that's why I thought it was interesting that you take these really cool, old, classic 911s. And if you haven't seen the documentary Urban Outlaw, you've got to check it out. What is it, about 30-plus minutes? 32-minute short documentary.

It really got me excited about those old cars. It's an amazing documentary. And, you know, one of the things that you said, are we down already? It's the same problem. With the audio? Yeah. Yeah, we'll work it out. We have a new setup here.

This is completely new. It's very high tech. It's like being at NASA over here. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is a new thing called a TriCaster, and it does everything in HD, but we haven't worked out all the kinks yet. You mean we're not shooting this on an iPhone or something? I'm sure we'll hear about it on Reddit, and everyone will explain how to work it.

It's back up, but is the audio up? Hold on. Yeah, it's working. There you go. Ralph in the corner's got an iPhone. He can take some great shots with that. Right, Ralph? Yeah. Ralph's ready to rock. But your documentary about those old classic 911s and, you know, you rebuild them and add your own touches to them. But your cars, you know, you're working

with some of them less than 200 horsepower. Yeah. I mean, most of my cars are small displays. You know, for those that don't know, collections, basically early 911s from 64 through 73. You know, that really just covers two liter up to two four. Unlike this mad dog and Englishman right here, Alex, where, you know, too much is never enough. My background was sort of the opposite. You know, it was more the sort of giant killer trying to chase down the cars with twice as much power. Was to me a bit more exciting rather than just sort of flooring it in a straight line. And you can still get a lot done if a car's set up pretty

well, because 277, that's the car I've tracked on and off for 12 years, done a lot of club racing stuff. And it's so dialed in that 220 horsepower is pretty usable in a car that only weighs, let's say, 2250. Weight is such a key thing. It's what I call a flat foot car. You can keep your foot planted all the time. Unlike the GT2, as great as that is, you've got to roll into that amount of power. Because if you just stomp it, you just spin it. Go off the road. It's almost too much power.

It needs like a throttle stop. I think the challenge is there is trying to be able to modulate and actually get that power down takes a little bit of finesse because you sort of got to roll into it because traction control on or off if you stamp it it sort of does the same thing you're just chirping and spinning and stepping sideways well correct me if i'm wrong with the traction control do they uh calculated based on the horsepower that the engine actually has so when you jam it up to it's not just traction it's a stability management it was the first time on a 997 that it had well on a gt car so your car being an you know 0708 mark one

it actually has like a a more simple traction control system that you know you can you can turn off um but it doesn't have stability management like the gt2 so it actually has two buttons one is you, are you fucking nuts? And are you going to fucking die right now? So, yeah. Says that on the button or it just says pass them or something? It says like SC plus TC equals death, right? It doesn't even tell you what those things are when you buy it.

This orange light comes on, you know, and yeah, you know, it's sort of like it gives you a chime as if you've got a problem with your engine. You know, that same, like if you have a check engine light on a car, you know, it's got this ding, and you're like, you know, you're driving and you have this like, you know, orange, amber, you know, warning sign. So it's, you know, they're pretty... See, the old cars have none of that crap. You know, you just sort of feel it or you don't feel it. Especially with the brakes, right?

You actually can modulate the brakes by pushing them hard. Yeah, no power assisted. I think the brakes on the GT2 are almost the same size as the wheels on 277. What are they, 14.5, 15 inch? Yeah, they're 380 mil. I have 15 inch rims. So yeah, they're almost the same size. They're 15 inch brakes.

That's hilarious. I got 15 inch wheels. And those are 15 inch brakes. Well, you need it with that car. And most people aren't aware of how much computer-generated stuff is going on behind the scenes of a lot of these modern, high-powered horse cars. Like, I got to drive the Challenger Hellcat recently. Oh, that's a beast. And even though it's 707 horsepower, it's very manageable when you're driving it around because they have all this stuff going on behind the scenes

I'm an ex-Mopar guy. I still got my 69 Super Beetle Well, there's a that's a Mopar to be proud of this Yeah, yeah, for sure Is the valet key like special for the 500 horsepower? Yeah, they give you that but I told them I don't even want that I mean that no one else is gonna drive it It's stupid. Why do they have 500? You don't let your valet guy park your car, do you? Yeah, but if you leave a valet guy with a 500 horsepower car, he could kill himself

or wrap it around a tree just as easily as he can a 700 horsepower car. That's pretty funny. For folks who don't know what we're talking about, there's two different keys. One is a red key and one's a black key. The red key gives you full access to all the power, which gets you up to Hellcat 707 horsepower. Tire smoker. Somehow or another, just having the black key limits the amount of horsepower. Yeah.

I don't understand it. It probably controls throttle mapping. It's not as much black metal. Yeah. It's probably just a throttle map controller. Obviously, it doesn't allow you to dig deeper and go higher up yeah well there's a big there's a lot of rev limitations yeah rev limit like when even when you just rev the car up just to have some fun with it feels sloppy well it just backs off when you get up near anywhere near the red line like you you

feel it cutting out i think the moral to the story is never let a valet guy knew your car really that is the moral you really don't need two keys i've never let any valet touch my gt3 i had a valet guy know your car, really. That is the moral of the story. You really don't need two keys. I've never let any valet touch my GT3. Well, I had a valet key with one of the first cars I had, which was, you know, like in the end of 99. It was a supercharged Jaguar XKR. And it was a convertible. Best of British, right? Yeah, best of British.

Convertible, too. Convertible, right? Total California car. Was that when you were doing all that modeling you were telling me about? No, that was a lot longer. PC World Internet Supermodel days. Yeah, early Internet celebrities. Yeah, did you know that about him? He was a gamer, that was a lot longer. PC World internet supermodel days. Yeah, early internet celebrities. Yeah, did you know that about him?

Well, he was a gamer. You were a video gamer. I don't know, do you remember websites like, you know, Tom's Hardware and Nontech? Yes, yes, oh totally. So Sharky Extreme was mine, and that was one of the big three, and then Voodoo Extreme was another one I started.

Dude, I remember that. I remember Voodoo Extreme, and I remember Sharky Extreme. Dude, I started Voodoo Extreme. The man behind the shark. We've talked about this before. I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast, but we've definitely talked about it before. That was your background. Yeah.

I was a student video gamer. I was trying to make some money, so I started writing for magazines. And this is back in England. And they would go, why do you want to write about hardware and 3D cards and all this shit? It's never going to work. And so I just started posting it on the internet instead and I moved out here And you know sold a website that was big during the dot-com era isn't funny That's one of those things where people thought there was no market for it people thought no

No one's gonna pay attention that but you could put it on the internet you put on the internet It becomes giant well obviously there's a market. It's just you fuckheads couldn't figure out how to reach that market remember this crazy thing in 1999 y2k like everybody's gonna melt down i mean it's amazing it did melt down it did melt down oh how about again in 2012 everybody thought the mayans were right they were right stars are gonna align the aliens are gonna land stars up there yeah yeah stars right above us yeah those are fake though yeah that's just a low resolution photograph but you you know you grow up in england and you Yeah, exactly. Yeah, stars right above us. Come on. Those are fake though. Yeah. That's just a low resolution photograph.

No, but you know, you grow up in England and you know, because well, there's this big divide basically between- The great north-south divide. The great north-south divide. So you've probably seen those snatch and- Lock stock. Lock stock. Southern fairies, northern monkeys.

Yeah, monkeys. So it's like LA or it's like America. It's like being in the 818 or 213. Right. And I'm a 213 guy. But what America does is the south and then there's the north. All right. But I grew up in the guy. Well, the American is the south and then there's the north. I grew up in the ritzy, cool part, which is the south.

I was the grim northern steel town shepherd. Right. But even in the south, if you said to your school counselor or career person, I want to be a fucking astronaut, they'd be like, tone it down a bit. Or I want to be a baker. No, you can't do that, son. Just get a normal job a normal job any means. Yeah, that's a great thing about America I used to hear cut your hair and get a real job. I was into heavy metal I've had long hair since I was 14 15 and you know over 30 odd years later. I still got long hair You got more than long hair man. You got a whole ecosystem

You got some crazy extra long, like, rope-like things happening in the back. Flying out of the car, though? It looks epic, dude. Getting caught in the door. I was telling these guys one of my funniest moments was at the Frankfurt Auto Show when Porsche debuted the 918 last year. And it was literally 10 minutes after it debuted. All the press was there. And they invite me up on stage to get in this 918.

And I get my hair caught in the door. Next day, there's, my hair caught in the door. Next day there's like headlines in the newspaper subtitle it read something like English-born American rock star gets her caught in 918 door at Frankfurt Auto Show but for me it's sort of like this Samsung thing where you know I'm afraid to cut my hair because I'll lose my strength but now it's just turning gray and getting thinner and falling out but I've had long hair for 30 years but if it goes bald on top, are you going to keep it on the sides? Yeah, probably. It'll be like a Nashville Pussy.

Have you ever seen that band? Yes, yes. You know, where the guy takes his hat off and he's, like, completely bald on top? Yeah, it'll be like that. But I think the point I was making is England is a sort of class-divided country, whereas coming to America, for me, at 19, you could sort of do whatever you want.

Yeah, but even class-divided, even in the South, I mean, when you come from England, I mean, let's face it, we don't have much of a space program. We don't have, I mean, you know, no career person is going to tell you. You've got good teeth, though, right? But you guys do. You brought a shark with you, you son of a bitch. You carry those things everywhere. Everywhere, dude.

Everywhere. Chicks dig the shark. They do, man. They don't dig the dicks, but they dig the sharks. Well, have a good friend from steve uh his name is steve and he's from england as well and he tells me the same thing he's actually a professor steve yeah buddy john he's a professor in stanford and um he says essentially the same thing he says that when you are in england they sort of limit what your aspirations should be. They tell you where to go. They tell you what to do. I mean,

I literally went up to the biggest magazines and, um, you know, having Ralph in the background. Yeah. But it's distracting. The image is distracting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you could sit, you could sit over here, you could do whatever you want, you could join in if you like. Should we get him some long pants? Is it a kneecap thing? We have this guy in the background. We're doing it in the background?

With the image. But he says the same thing. Just so you know who he is, he used to work for a very famous Porsche race team. He's the godfather of Porsche. Yeah, he's the godfather. He used to work for Vasek Polek, and he was parking RSKs and moving all these multi-million dollar cars. No, no. He's also one of the first adopters of your 3.9.

He is, yeah. He is. Like right off to Kermit. That's right. He's also barefoot. He's also barefoot, and he drives barefoot. I've got a photo of him barefoot at the gas station in downtown, actually. You want to get in?

You want to sit in here? No? You're good? Okay. We know he's cool. He's incognito. He's the less,he's-more guy. My friend Steve Hilton, he's a professor at Stanford.

He's a very interesting guy, fascinating guy, and he fucking loves America. And he said he didn't realize how negative and how limiting the attitudes of people in England are until he got to America. In America, people are like, yeah, you can do whatever you want to do. Whatever you want to do. Literally, I think I told you this on the last one, but I went to the most academic ritzy school. I don't know how the hell I got in there.

A lot of hard work and, you know, my mom probably... Stunning good looks. Yeah, stunning. And when I did get there, I mean, the whole time, it's sort of, you know, no, just keep it down son keep it down you know don't don't just try and do something different this is what you need to do you need to do this this this and this and then you'll you'll get a job in the city there's no such thing as dare to be different there i left school at 15 i don't know when you left school but i don't even remember

is that just like the momentum of ancient times just It's almost predetermined, you know? You don't want to make a lot of noise. You go down this path. Imagine going to the biggest gaming magazines, well, whatever, if you're a nerd, gaming magazines and PC magazines back in the 90s and saying, hey, there's this really cool new technology that I'm playing with, and it's sort of early on, I know,

but it's going to make all these video games better. And then the editor-in-chief You know he's been there since you know 1985 just goes no that's not gonna fucking work I'm not doing that and so you've got nowhere to like Express. You know something cool and new so yeah The internet was pretty freaking amazing for me You know I just threw it up there and then people start reading it and you know then what's funny Is that same that same company the publishing company tried to buy my website like fucking four years later and i said now i sold it to internet.com we're seeing something similar in america where the midwest

and there's a lot of parts of this country that don't have urban centers and don't have you know there's a lot of people that are there that have like really limited ideas of how people should act how people should dress what people should do what religions you should follow and because of the internet there's like this embedding of like a new culture in all of these areas like you could go to anywhere you can go to the Midwest you can go to Kansas you can go and you'll find really fucking cool kids who are on the ball understand what's going on we used to have to go to a library yeah to find anything out.

Do those things exist anymore? Yeah, they do. I take my kids to the library. What do you do with them there? They look at little kid books, man. Like dinosaur books. We're talking about bookstores on the web because we're talking about magazines and where do you get them. It's sort of hard to find them.

You buy magazines at the airport, it seems. A lot of bookstores are dying out. And then everything, like all the, you know, Porsche magazines and stuff, they're all like, you know, on the iPad now. You know, my mom's like. They're better on the iPad. Everyone's got an iPhone and snapping photos. I mean.

I've sort of, because I'm an ex, you know, magazine guy too, there's something about reading it on paper. I still, you know, I still want to cut down trees, I guess, to do it. But, you know. I got a great photo of him, the tree hugger photo outside in the rain. Mad Dog's an about reading it on paper. I still, you know, I still want to cut down trees, I guess, to do it. But, you know. I got a great photo of him, the tree hugger photo outside in the rain. Mad Dog's an English man hugging the tree. I was humping your tree, sorry. He's getting all excited.

I just ran here. He's getting all excited. Just wipe it clean. But it is amazing that the Internet offers up all these opportunities. And the Internet is essentially how I found out about both you guys. I found out about you because of the Urban Outlaw documentary, which is, look, how else would you have ever watched that documentary if it wasn't for the internet?

That came out of left field. I mean, if I can talk about that for a minute or two. I mean, I've got to give props to Tamir Moscovici, my Canadian bearded old buddy. He'd been following my post on Pelican Parts, and I was starting to get a little bit of magazine coverage probably three years ago. And Pelican Parts, I was starting to get a little bit of magazine coverage probably three years ago. And Pelican Parts, for folks who don't know, the website.

It's the sort of classic Porsche go-to online forum and parts supply place. And I had a thread going there called Porsche Collection Out of Control Hobby. And to me, it was a Canadian film director who was sort of dissatisfied with doing Bud Light commercials. And more importantly, he was a Porsche owner and sort of connected with my story and figured maybe there's a little bit more to it than had been told through my post. And talking of the Internet, shot me an email and a couple of emails later, we had a sort of online verbal handshake. And he flew down on his frequent flyer miles to LA, hired a sort of very talented crew for nothing. And from my point of view, it was like, what's the worst that can happen here? I'm going to drive around for four days and get some great footage. We didn't know

what was going to happen with that film. You know, and we released a trailer, probably, we shot it in 2012, January, released a trailer a couple of months later that got picked up by Top Gear. And that thing sort of went viral and exploded. And then the film came out October 15th online and got into the Raindance Film Festival. And it just sort of went from there. And it's amazing how global that thing became because I think people connected to the story. The film Urban Outlaw is not purely about Portia. It's about my story of following my dream, which everyone can relate to.

And we touched on a little bit growing up in England and then coming to America as a 19 year old, not knowing anybody, but just sort of following your passion. And my theory is always the same. How bad can it be? And that's ultimately the great thing about America. And I think that's what to me captured in the film Urban Outlaw was my sort of spirit, which is a common spirit of trying to, you know, follow your dreams and do what it is you like to do without taking no for an answer. And the past two years since that film came out, you know, it's just been a whirlwind of travel for me and meeting great people. And I've realized the sort of common bond with all car guys. It doesn't matter whether you're driving an 800-horsepower GT2 or building a VW in your backyard or you're a Mopar guy. We all share that same common bond of loving to tinker with cars, getting out and driving and basically trying to express yourself

through the styling of the car and the passion of the car and everything that evolves. And it is a language. I say Porsche is a language, but I think all car guys share that same common bond. And I think that's the connection why people sort of related to the film. Well, your passion and your enthusiasm is really addictive. And that's one of the things I love about people.

I watched a documentary recently, a short piece on a guy who makes knives. He makes like butcher knives. Bowie knives and stuff like that? No, I mean he makes mostly like knives for chefs and housewives. He's the best in the fucking world. But he does them all by hand. He hammers the steel, the whole deal. And you're watching him cut the wood pieces and polish them down. I met a similar guy that's selling knives to Eric Clapton and these things are like, you know, 25, 50 grand knives. Some of these old like, you know, know, vintage collectors. It takes a month to make one, right? Yeah. Well, this isn't vintage. This is all handmade stuff. But it's just this guy used to have a regular job, and then I think his company's called

Brooklyn Cut. And he just started, like, you know, he was, like, in a funk, and he started making knives almost as a hobby, and then it became his job. But as he's making these knives, it's like you're really interested in the craftsmanship and his passion and enthusiasm that's so addictive i don't have any desire to make knives if i kick a knife i cut a tomato and the knife's done i'm done it's pretty fucking cool to see someone that's just you know he's obviously that's his life and passion and and he's putting everything into it yeah i think passion goes uh than street smart, than book smart. So I often describe myself as a street smart guy because I left school early without a lot of education. You

were talking earlier on about the path people go down where they're in school, university, college, you know, you come out when they're 22, 23, and they've got no idea what they want to do, but they've got all these degrees in education. And then sometimes they just sort of float around. For me, it was the complete opposite, but just always trying to enjoy life and find things that you enjoy doing. But the key is never give up. It's like the guy with the knives, turns what seems to be a hobby passion into what sounds like a pretty successful business.

I mean, when I came over here in 98, I didn't even have a driver's license. Wow. That's hilarious when you consider what you do now. Oh he even drive yeah he drives good man um he just drives a little crazy not that good though yeah not as good as him he's actually you know it's funny you mentioned you know most of your collection is uh you know the early cars and low powered but you know i left the car with him it rained in la remember like a while ago for like thanksgiving thanksgiving and you know my wife actually who made that video that you saw because she yeah which is not as good as his actually which video the one with kermit

you know and it's like one of those home videos you guys like yeah we like to do those but that's a different one those are private in oil or something no not in oil just in water okay you're a water-cooled guy. That's right. That's it. You gotta get that water-cooled thing. I gotta get it in there. But yeah, I mean, you know, we left it. Well, I said, I gotta get back on the flight.

You wanna tell them the backstory before that? Yeah. We'll tell them the backstory. Well, the point where you're trying to get at is that you left the car with him to try to get him addicted. Exactly. And this is like the third or fourth time. There's a funny point to the back story, though. This is the third or the fourth time. And just watching him sort of go up in his roads, not in a 277 or an early car. And he respects the power, but he just eases in.

And like I said, it was like he found a song on the radio that he liked, if anyone listens to the radio. And he's like, i think i like that and he turns up the volume a little more then goes back and you know chops to my tomatoes with with those knives probably and then goes back i like that song a lot actually and i'm gonna turn it up a little more and he continues to cook and by the end of like that drive was a two-hour drive it does go to 11 yeah you know instead of having like 30 throttle or a three out of ten on the volume knob, you know, he was more at 7 or 8. And he's like, yeah, this needs some time, you know. And, yeah, so I left it with him for a month.

It must be something that you also have to get accustomed to when you're coming from these cars that are essentially most of your cars are somewhere around 200 horsepower. And then all of a sudden you're driving. I mean, that thing's almost got four times the amount of power. So I'm used to sort of getting in these 277 type cars and you just keep your foot planted all the time. I call them flat foot cars where pedal to the metal is sort of my slogan. GT2 with almost 800 horsepower, you can't do that. Pedal to the carpet. Yeah. Well, gradual pedal to the metal, you know, to me, it's a lot about variety. And the challenge with that. Pedal to the carpet. Yeah, well, gradual pedal to the metal, you know, to me, so it's a lot about variety. And the challenge with that car is trying to get comfortable with it where you feel confident, where you can push it more and more and, you know, brake later,

get on the gas earlier type of thing. And it's a challenge to be able to modulate and try and get the most out of that car. The flip side to it is, you know, driving around town under 4000 RPM, it's pretty docile, just like any other car. It gets real angry real quick. But again, it's the whole passion thing. You know, I'm addicted to his passion, basically, you know, from the first time I met him, you know, like really it was about a year ago with the blue car to the point where, you know, I'm crazy enough, I guess some people think, to just go, hey man, can I leave the

car with you for a month? You know, some guy that's got a video like that, you know, up in the canyons. Well, now you're leaving a car where it's one of one and a modified one of one, but essentially one of 200 Porsche ever built. But I couldn't think of anything better. Like, I'm not going to bring a, you know, I'm not going to bring a dolled up. You see, for me to clarify, I've owned a lot of early 911s, a lot of them. But my collection is my own collection.

I don't build customer cars. And I think there's a bit of this misinterpretation that people think I'm a tuning shop or a performance shop building customer cars. I get these emails all the time from guys wanting me to build cars for them or can they drop their car off. And I've had quite a few people approach me wanting to do collaborations with other tuners. So, you know, just to clarify, I'm a collector and I like to get out and drive. I don't build customer cars. I've helped my buddies out occasionally. So when Alex approached me with the car and just sort of left it and he gave me the classic line, like what I think is going to become the all time classic line for me, he goes, just treat it as if it was your own car and do whatever you want to do with it.

So you painted it. Yeah. So now I'm down with what I call OPP, other people's Porsches. For me, this was just a real fun collaboration to be able to put my sort of artistic, stylistic interpretation of the 60s and 70s sport purpose era onto a new car, which is something that hasn't really been done. You know, no one's really took that 60s, 70s styling and put it on a new car. And the Porsche world is a little bit black and white in a sense just to sort of be real broad.

You're either an air-cooled guy or you're a water-cooled guy. You know, in a generic term, the two don't necessarily mix, even though they really do. For folks who don't know what we're talking about, just explain the era. This is not a Porsche forum we're on right here. This is just a regular podcast. But it's essentially... Is anyone out there with you?

1994 was when 993 ended production? No, it was 98. That was the last. 98 it ended? And when that happened, all Porsche guys that were fanatics for 30, 40 years. Let's start at the beginning. 911 came out in 1964 and was air-cooled, so we'll start there. We'll start there, all the way up to 98.

Literally, people that were Porsche guys wanted to jump off a cliff because they thought it was over because Porsche announced they're going to water-cooled, and they were just like, that's the end of Porsche. And they went to water-cooled because it was the only way to really get more horsepower that and i think it's cheaper to you know in a way it's cheaper and to mass produce because they when they were air cooled they were making fewer cars yeah volume volume went up you know they introduced the box you know actually that's not true it wasn't 90 well 98 they made the last air cooled 993 but in 97 they actually introduced the boxster and that was the first water-cooled. Oh. So you wouldn't know about the Boxster.

No, I had a friend. My friend Lou had one of those. He had one. It was an automatic. God bless this man. The manual is a great handling car. You know what's great about it? That's a great car.

Doesn't the exhaust pipe look really weird in the middle like that? It's a little weird. Yeah. I've seen one with two circular ones on the GT3. Oh, that's the S. That's the S. That's pretty dope. That's the S.

That's good. I think the new one is beautiful. It is, actually, yeah. The new Boxster is a beautiful car. Well, the killer one is the new Cayman. You know, they've got this thing coming out called the GT4. That's real. Yeah, it's real. It's happening. It really is happening. It's like a Cayman GTS-R on steroids. So it's like a GT3,

but a Cayman version. I wouldn't go that far. It's still modern. Wait till these guys, you know, do the short works tuning and take a bite out of the Cayman. No, but that's what modern and what's all these guys, you know do the short works tuning and take a bite out of the game And no, but that's what's interesting. I'm becoming an old like a newer version of you like a older grumpy sort of new car guy because You can you call guy? Yeah, because the the golden era for me is the era of Joe's car 997 yeah, 997, you know gt3 from 07. I like the 996. When did you get your first Porsche?

I got to nine nine six turbo in 997, you know, GT3 from 07. I like the 996 GT3 too. When did you get your first Porsche? I got 996 Turbo in 2003. I think today that 996 Turbo is the best bang for the buck in the Porsche era. Yeah, yeah. You can get them for 35 grand. Yeah, and really fast car. Yeah. But mine was a lemon. Mine broke down like crazy, and I got away from Porsches for a while.

You went NSX, didn't you? I went for an NSX, and then I got rid of the NSX. I got another NSX. I had two NSXs. But then? I went for an NSX, and then I got rid of the NSX. I got another NSX. I had two NSXs. But then I found out about the GT3, and I was reading about the... My car broke down five times. The 996? Yeah.

They had to replace the engine, the throttle, the fuel pump broke. So it just ran out of gas. The fuel gauge broke. That's a common one. These are big problems. He ran out of gas, the fuel pump broke, and the fuel gauge broke. The shift linkage broke twice. These are big problems. He ran out of gas, the fuel pump broke. The shift linkage broke twice. Okay, that was a really common problem. If you looked at it, you would laugh because you're thinking like $130,000 car,

and it's got this plastic piece of shite, basically, linking the floppy shifter to the cables on the transmission, and that thing would break on cars from 97, because it's the same part in a bog standard boxer to a turbo. And yeah, we always had to make a billet part for the early cars. Billet shifter? Oh, so you made something much stronger. Yeah, yeah.

Actually, a company in Arizona that's like a tuning partner for me, Evo, they make it. And yeah, it's just a little billet piece. And then, yeah, you don't get stuck. Because you know what happens? You get stuck. You can't shift. You can't go anywhere.

Well, I got lucky. Mine's stuck in second gear. That's a good gear to be stuck in. It was enough to drive to the Porsche dealership. Yeah, that's a good gear to be stuck in in that car. But to happen twice is pretty stupid. So when did you get the GT3? I got the GT3 a year before I made use.

It was three years ago. You got the 2010. You went hardcore and went backwards. So you dove right in, though. I loved you, so was it three years ago? Yeah, the 2010. You went hardcore and went backwards. She dove right in, though. I loved it. I loved it. But then I found out about the Shark Works cars, and I was like, oh, this motherfucker just took it

to the next level. You saw my wife's video. Yeah, I saw the video, and then there was the cover of Excellence, I think it was. Yeah. 3.9 was on it, and they were talking. The guy was just raving about the engine. He was comparing the 3.9.

That must be your buddy, right? P.S.? Oh, yeah, Pete Stout. That was the... engine. He was comparing the 3.9. That must be your buddy, right? PS? Oh, yeah, Pete Stout. That was the, and now he's in charge of Panorama. That's right. So I got rid of the 2010, bought a 2007, had it sent to Alex, never even saw it. Didn't even see the car. But what's crazy?

Straight off the showroom floor. Just sent it right to him. So you hadn't even driven in stock form. You just knew that. You just sent it to him. I knew it. You just knew stock wasn't enough. I talked to him.

I'm like, this motherfucker is exactly what I wanted to hear. Everything he's saying, I'm like, that's my dog. I just sent him the car. I go, let's do it. There it is. I just said wasn't enough. I talked to him, I'm like, this motherfucker is exactly what I wanted to hear. Everything he's saying, I'm like, that's my dog. I just sat in the car, I go, let's do it. I just said, go crazy. It is addictive. And it went crazy. And I love that car. What's your favorite road to go drive?

I love that Angel's Crest Highway, man. You called me at the top of that too. Oh yeah. And then we went and drove. You got self-reception up there? No, no, I called them when I got to the bottom. Oh, you were going to say. Yeah, well, we were up there yesterday at the other side of it.

I had a reception. Yeah, a little bit to see. Yeah. Well, we were up there yesterday at the other side of it. I had a reception. Yep. It's such a masterpiece. When I drove it, I was like, this is like better than any ride at Disneyland or Six Flags. And I got to the bottom. Chief force. When you drive a car like that on a crazy, windy canyon road with no one anywhere near, that's when you really understand what those cars are all about.

I can relate to that. God, it was so fun. Well, that was sort of how I connected to the GT2, you know, and then just little by little eased into that car. And then, you know, these guys had already added performance. I just added a little bit of style and personality. Well, you did a crazy – is there a best website to look at the images of the version of the one that he created? Basically –

It's all over sort of Instagram and Basically... It's all over Instagram. It's all over Instagram. So if you go to the Shark Works Instagram or Magnus Walker... Yeah, you can see it. It's sort of like, depending on who you listen to... Well, there you go. It's on my Instagram.

It's on your map for us. Oh, look at that guy with a Honda t-shirt. Look at that guy. Who the hell is that? So that's either the best or worst looking GT2. Dude, it looks like I got some holes in my jeans. It looks good when you see it in person. It's like the blue car.

The blue car, you thought it was really wacky. You're like, and then you came and saw it and you were drinking coffee and you're like, I think I like it. Yeah. The 4.1, when you see it in person, you see the blue and the orange. That's a real animal. That's pretty dope. You could hear it if you play it off that other one. There's a video of Matt Farah driving by.

Yeah, let's watch that video. I think you're in that video. I think so. Can you hear that? That's just my Instagram video. Oh, yeah. You guys can hear it on by. Yeah, let's watch that video. I think you're in that video. I think so. Can you hear that? That's just my Instagram video. Oh yeah. You guys can hang on. I've had fun.

Oh, okay. The folks at home are here. It looks pretty fast coming around that turn, actually. And it's pretty cheeky, right? To have a British flag with Union Jack upside down. Yeah, people are digging that. Yeah. Was ist denn das?

Wat ist mit Union Jack? On Porsche car. On a German car. It's also, you did the thing with the seat inserts. Oh yeah. Yeah. We took a, my wife and I took a UK tour right before Christmas. We did an event with Porsche in London and then went to see my mom in Sheffield and then went up to see my sister who lives in Aberdeen, Scotland.

Aberdeen. So yeah, Aberdeen where we got some iron blue. Yes. So, you know, I'm a big fan of messing up interiors in cars, but Porsche had been putting plaid interiors or tartan interiors in these cars since the 70s. Tartan? Is that what it's called? Tartan. I thought you guys called it plaid.

Tartan. Tartan. You know, they make a lot of that in Scotland. You know, them William Wallace dudes with the kilts and the sparrings and the haggis. So anyway, long story short. You know, they call it up and show their willies or their arse, that thing. I was just there for the tartan fabric, but I managed to find this tartan that is almost the same colors that are on the car, so couldn't resist just putting the inserts into the seat

just to give it a little bit more character on the inside as well. I mean, when you open it, you just go, fuck. It doesn't make it drive any better, but it just sort of looks like it's got a little bit more style and personality. Yeah, I bow down to you guys on this. That's you. You're into it. I like solid colors.

I don't like plaid interiors. But honestly, that car has a lot more character in a very unique and weird way now that you've done all this painting. Yeah, it's got a lot of personality. I wouldn't have done it, but even with the gold wheels, it does work. It really does. I like those three-color combos, you know, and just sort of trifecta, I call it. And like I say, it's an acquired taste, but it's sort of a late 60s, early 70s race-inspired livery

interpreted onto a new car, which is, I don't think you'll see another car like that out there on the road. And, you know, you see the privateer teams, you know, from the 70s, 80s. That, to me, is when I see that car going down, you know, as opposed to just being like a stealthy white 911 with a sort of big wing on it, it looks like a race car. That to me is the glory days of Porsche because 911 came out in

64, they won Le Mans in 1970. So that first ten years, you know, Porsche just started winning everything in the 911, 917, and that's just like the iconic sort of era, the beginning of everything. It's become this automotive legend that has gone on for 50 years. And there's only two other cars that have been in production

as long as the 911, the Corvette, which got there 10 years before. Yeah, I've got a 65. Well, you know what I'm talking about then. And everyone's favorite, the Mustang. And I'm always floored that people don't do more Mustang-Porsche sort of comparisons because to me, I've owned... It came out at the same time. It came out at the same time. I

owned a 65 Mustang GT350R replica. And the Mustang owner and the Porsche owner, to me, are very similar in the sense that both of them love to customize the cars. Yes. You know, you see a lot of upgraded Mustangs. I mean, just look at all the Parnelli Jones, the Shelbys, the Boss 302s, you know, these factory conversions on the Mustangs, it's just never ending. The 911 in a sense is sort of a similar thing. And I think the owner and enthusiast of the two cars share that common bond of the cars are easy to sort of upgrade from a performance point of view, personalize them from an aesthetic point of view, and they've both been in continuous production for 50 years, and they're both icons. You look at Ford, and I think you identify Ford with the Mustang.

You look at Ken Block and what he just did with his Jim Carter 7. That thing is ridiculous. It's a monster. Pull that video up. Ken Block, Jim Carter 7. That is fucking insane. I've never had a Mustang, but in England, if you were thinking of an iconic Ford, it was probably like a Ford S-

Capri. Well, that too. Or an RS2000 Escort. No, no. It's a Ford Escort XR3i. It was the most stolen car ever. Depending what area you grew up in, I think. Here's the video.

First of all, how beautiful does LA look at night like that? That is amazing. I was fortunate enough to be a couple of hundred yards away from some of these scenes. He's running on the guys that you work with on the wheels. Yeah, he's running the same 1552 wheels. It's a 69 Mustang, is that what it is? What year is it? Well, truth be told, it's sort of a completely purpose-built car, but the real key to it

is 800 horsepower on four-wheel drive. Yeah, it's insane. It is unbelievable. And I think what this did for Ford in a way is bring a whole new fan into Ken Block's world and also the Ford world through this Mustang, which to me just looks like Darth Vader meets Mad Max on steroids. It's the baddest looking Mustang I've ever seen in my life. It's a 65. Look how cocked down that thing is. And the fact that it throws a notchback, you know, a notchback as opposed to a fastback. Yeah, notchback and wide-ass fender flares.

It's just a monster. Look at this fucking thing, man. I know. He's going to spin the wheels. Oh, yeah. Four-wheel. He's got it hooked up to a chain. All-wheel drive Mustang.

Spinning all four wheels. And the sound, you know, I'm not hearing that sound, but it's just intoxicating. There you go. It's unbelievable. It won't come through that tv only all-wheel drive performance mustang ever built what's the benefit of having a car like this all-wheel drive though put the power down better right yeah but that's it right

it's going to change the hand or it makes more smoke even smoking all four yeah this guy is a madman yeah he's driving a nice guy too That video that he did with his Subaru, where he's spinning around with all these different objects... Yeah, he did that on Top Gear, right? The control that he has in this thing... I thought the San Francisco Gymkhana 5 was the best until I saw this. I mean, the San Francisco one's still epic, but this one... He's in downtown LA, going sideways around every corner in the craziest fucking Mustang that's ever been built. My mother-in-law sent me this video. Have you seen this? It's like, yes, along with 3000.

Who hasn't seen it, right? You're right about Mustangs though, in that Mustangs might be the most customized ever American car. I think so. Without a doubt, I would say. I mean, what else has been around in production for 50 years? And they're also one of the most radical cars as far as what you can buy. The most radical what you can buy straight from the factory. They were the first to go completely hog wild. That GT500 with 668 horsepower.

I mean, what the fuck is that? King of the road. I mean, that is bananas. That is a goddamn bananas car. And to have a live rear axle in 2014. Yeah, yeah. The new one. Have you seen the new GT350?

They've gone the other way They've lowered the horsepower down to 500 they've lightened up the car like that giant carbon brakes and apparently with this new Independent suspension. It's a motherfucker as far as its handling. It's supposed to see See honestly, I would actually take a slightly less horsepower but lighter. I like that. Ford GT, that was one of my all-time favorite cars as a kid growing up. The GT350 is a new Mustang. That's a Ford GT.

Yeah the Ford GT is a beautiful car. Frickin' prices on those went bonkers. The modern version of it, the modern one is just insane. Nobody ever drives them though, ever. They're over like 300,000. Well I had a friend who had one. He said it was dog shit. I drove them. It was a time when I was thinking of getting one.

It was the golf livery one, obviously, because I like weird colors. And, you know, it was around $180,000 at the time, so it was like the best time to buy it. And now I see they're like $400,000. But nobody ever drives those cars. See, that's the great thing about 911s and Porsches. They get driven. You drive the shit out of them. You see a lot of high mileage Porsche. You drive the shit out of them.

You see a lot of high mileage Porsche. You don't see a lot of high mileage Ferraris or Lamborghinis or anything like that. Exactly. You know another thing about that? What you just saw? So? Manual transmission is standard. That's all you can get.

Wow. Yeah. How great is that? Six-speed manual is the sole transmission. How great is that? S-O-L-E-N-S-O-U-L. Right there. Just bow down to that.

You like the sticker, huh? That's one of my favorite things on the GT2. The anti-theft sticker. The manual. Dan came up with that. I think it's fucking gross that Porsche's not making manuals anymore. It's really disappointing. And the worst thing is, you know, the GT3... Well, that came in GT4.

It's coming manual. That's gonna ruffle a lot of feathers, because guys are gonna go, like you, or 991 GT3 guys. They're going to go, how come I can't get a manual in 991 GT3? They just ripped the soul out of the GT3 program when they said it's PDK only. I get that they have to compete with the Nissan GTR, the M3s, and all these cars that are basically automatic and you just push a button and it does everything for you. They've got no soul. Well, actually, you do have to still push the gas.

Well, they're all playing numbers. They're all trying to keep up with the GTR. And even on Nürburgring, they can't compete unless... So what? I agree, but they can't compete. It's all about the journey, I think. You know, the interaction and, you know, the control you put into the car. And you lose your arm and the leg.

You know, you're just like, you're falling asleep. The 991 GT3 is honestly the first gt3 ever that i've been sort of bored in you know it's a gt3 that i've been bored in and i'm like pushing buttons because i see oh it's got some new buttons what does this do right instead of like actually going you know wow i'm really engaged don't get me wrong it's a great car for a first time porsche buyer i suppose but that's who's buying them usually and not the hardcore GT3 users. Well, it's rich guys who don't really know how to drive a manual.

I have a friend who's wealthy who doesn't know how to drive a manual and I go, listen, I go rent a fucking car. He's got a GT3? I go rent a car for... No, he doesn't, but he's thinking about getting one. I go, don't do it! I go rent a car, rent it for the weekend and beat the shit out of it. Learn how to drive it.

I go, you can learn how to drive it in 10 minutes. It's not hard. It's like, yeah, that's it yeah that's it see that's the great thing about driving a manual can do exactly how bad can it be you know i say it covers all the senses that to me is a great thing about driving i think ultimately it doesn't matter what car you drive but what matters is being engaged and involved in that experience which covers covers sight, sound, feel, touch, you know, two hands and two feet. You know, in the canyons, once you get bored, just all you would do is put,

because you probably not even push buttons anymore, but you just push the gas and you're going around and it's like, okay, now what? My arm's not doing anything. My leg's not doing anything. I'm not getting that feedback into my body. Well, I have both. I have my M3 is a PDK car.

It's a double clutch car. It drives great. It's fun. It's my traffic car. I love driving in traffic. It's great because it handles great. Do you do a lot of commuting? Yeah, constantly.

I'm the opposite. I live 200 yards from where I work. So for me, 80% of my driving, pure pleasure. Do you have like a regular car that you drive or do you commute? I literally, well, hold on, hold on. I walk to work. So I got the garage full of cars. I walk to work I have my wife Karen her car what I call the wife's car is a regular car Has four doors. It's a BMW. I gave him shit for that. I gave him so much shit for that. What's wrong with BMW? They're great cars.

No, no, but I mean it's it's you know, the funny thing is when people pull up next to me and they look at me and go, the puzzled look, they go, aren't you that Porsche guy? And I go, yeah. And they go, what are you doing driving a BMW? And I go, it's my wife's car. Still a great car. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it is. It is.

A 335i BMW, you know, sort of gets the job done. Are you on the Bluetooth too? While you're driving it? No, come on. I have a 2012 M3. I barely know how to turn the iPhone on. But you know what I really like? I like the generation before mine.

The one with 333 horsepower. So the E46? Yes. That's a beautiful car, man. So a lot of people make track cars out of those. And then even the E36. That's probably the most common sort of get into tracking other than a Miata. E36 M3 is the most common sort of track car silver I've seen I always loved the 2002 TII and the 3.0 bat yeah you're going older on old

school I was going back to old school 70s you always go back that why is that why are you so I think it's my age my era you know I'm 48 so I grew up born in 67 grew up in the 70s yeah well thanks you know so I'm 48, so I grew up, born in 67, grew up in the 70s. You wear it well. Well, thanks. You know, so as a kid, those are those informative years. Alex is a little bit younger, so I think his point of reference is 80s. My point of reference is 70s. You know, I remember watching motor racing on TV on Grandstand on a Saturday.

Yep. Grandstand is a sports program in England on the BBC. This is when we had two channels, I think. No, no, we had three. 1982, they introduced. Three channels. We had three channels, and then I think it was 82 or 83. BBC One, BBC Two, and ITV.

They went with, now we're going to unveil Channel Four. And literally the entire country stopped as if it was a royal wedding, right? And the very first program was this thing called Countdown, right? Which was like a game show where, you know, they would have like, they'd pick letters and you'd go, I'd like a vowel please or I'd like a consonant please and they put it up and you'd sort of have to fill in the blanks, you know, and they'd have celebrities and stuff and they'd go, okay, well, you know, give me an A, give me a, you know, sorry, give me a letter and, you know, you'd make a word out of it and it was like, that was the

first program to launch the, you know, Channel 4. And you're like, what the hell? I don't remember that. You know, for me, I remember Old Grey Whistle Test, Top of the Pops. They were the music shows. Top of the Pops. Yeah, that was sort of, you know, every Thursday, Top of the Pops. And then what was Channel 4's music show in the 80s?

Oh, that was, it was with Paula Yates. Right, when they were marrying Bob Geldof. Yeah. Not Tears Was. The Tube. The? Oh that was it was with Paula Yates. Right, who ended up marrying Bob Geldof. Yeah. Not Tiz Wilder. The Tube. The Tube, that was it. This is pre-MTV so this is going back. It was pretty trendy they had some really good bands on it you know. It was sort of a cool era of music you know my thing growing up was I'm from Sheffield so Sheffield was sort of I portray it grim northern steel town but it was also a great music town. You know, Joe Cocker, who recently passed away, was from Sheffield. He died recently.

Yeah, he did, a couple of weeks ago. But when I was a teenager, you know, late 70s, early 80s, Sheffield was known for its new wave bands, Human League, Heaven 17, ABC, Cabaret Voltaire. But the flip side to it was Def Leppard, Saxon, heavy metal music. So Sheffield's always had a great musical vibe. I guess the current pin-up band from Sheffield's Arctic Monkeys, which are sort of really big and popular. So, you know, these northern environment towns, you know, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, Liverpool,

I think they breed creativity because, you know, people are just looking for a way out, something different. You know, back then in the 70s, it was pretty depressed, steel mills closing down, coal mines closing down. Coal miners for gays. Well, we'll talk about that later. Have you seen that movie? Coal miners what? So there was a movie I saw recently called Pride. You know, you like English sort of humor, black humor movies.

It's like Full Monty on steroids. Yeah, it's like Full Monty on steroids. It's called Pride. You should look it up. Small sort of British movie. It'll probably win some awards. It came out this year. But it's about the coal mining strike in the 80s,

which I remember growing up. Arthur Scargill was the leader of the coal miners and practically shut the country down when the miners went on strike. Exactly. Everyone was on strike. And there was police brutality towards the miners went on strike. Exactly. Everyone was on strike. And there was police brutality towards the miners that were striking.

But there was also police brutality to gays and, well, not lesbians, but gays mostly at the time. Nobody gets brutal with lesbians. Well, you don't mess with them. No, you don't mess with that. You don't want to get your ass kicked by a lesbian, right? Come on. So in London, and, you know, they were activists, and they were thinking, well, nobody's taking us seriously, but we have something in common with these miners in the middle of Wales.

You know, Wales is this really... What is that common bond thread? Do you know what that is? Yeah, I know you've said it before. It's the... I'll let you say it, since you're the dirty-minded one. But, yeah, you've got the... What is it? There's something about a black hole. Black hole. Yeah, the dirty-minded one. What is it? Something about a black hole. Black hole.

I know. How dare you? But they are being beaten on a daily basis and just penalized for being gay. And they're like, well, we have a lot in common with these coal miners right now. What we're going to do is we're going to form this coalition called gays and lesbians for miners you know coalition and we're going to raise money for them and so what happened is you know they would raise money since all these miners were out of jobs and striking you know on the on the street so you can imagine in you know the 70s and sorry in the 80s the early 80 you know, gay people on the streets going, hey, would you like to donate to the miners of Wales for gays and lesbians? You know,

we're gays and lesbians, would you like to donate? And the kind of looks and things were like, that's, yeah, that's an interesting thing. Yeah, it's really cool. So then, you know, they get all this money, and they end up actually getting a lot of money for these miners. And they go visit them in Wales, they get in a bang bus, basically, and go visit them. And when they get there, you have to realize that these are coal miners. There's probably homosexuality there underneath. What are you trying to say? That they go digging, I guess, for coal.

It's a fossil fuel thing. I think if you're doing gay sex, if you're digging, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done it, but, yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. I've read books about it. People would shake their head and go, this is not the right technique.

This is a little bit different than the Ewan McGregor coal mining brassed-off movie. Yes, it is. We're talking about the brass band. Yes. But they get there, and there's this 105-year-old grandma that's pouring tea for all the miners at their club. Working Man's Club. Working Man's Club, right.

It's a thing we have in England, Working Man's Club. And she's just like, whatever the guy's name is who's in charge of them, she goes, your gays are here. And it's like the whole place just stands still. And they're bringing money for them. And they form a bond. They actually kind of turn them around. It's happy-go-lucky, but then, not to put a dampener on it, but then the main guy is one of the,

he's the second person to contract AIDS in the UK. And then he dies. Oh, great. But the other, sorry. I thought you were going to start on a high note. Sorry. Well, the other guy lives guy the other guy does live did you hear that Russia recently banned? Transgender people from driving from driving. How would that impede anyone from driving properly?

Well, you gotta not dress like a woman or dress like a man if you're a woman Could you I mean, I don't know if it's I think trans transgender transsexual trans trans anything trans I don't know if it's, I think trans, transgender, transsexual, transvestite, trans whatever you want. Transylvania. Transmission. Transmission over the border. PDK transmission. Yes. I like how we bounce around. They have border of mail transmission. That doesn't make any sense. They're holding a stick. I think Russian is, they're so archaic with their views on homosexuality. They're archaic on a lot of things. And they've decided to just literally ban Well, there's documentaries on It's fucking insane. Yeah, they go headhunting for them like, you know, really crazy

It's that country is falling apart right before our eyes and Coincidentally doesn't make a good sports car Russia, you know what they did they? Seven is remember that the rush. Yes, they did they bought bought the worst British car company you could possibly buy they remember that Russian guy he was like a 20 year old kid billionaire. He bought TVR or Trevor out of black Yeah, he bought sure and that's not a good car company. I mean they I like the styling of the styling Just don't drive it just don't make the windshield falls off the boatload of power Remember I remember that Top Gear episode where you's testing one of those weird-looking TVRs with the paint from the mid-early 2000s. And the windshield wiper actually just flies off.

I mean, it's a factory car. It just flies off going 120 miles an hour. This is how crazy Rush is. They've lumped it all in with rational ideas, like you shouldn't be allowed to drive if you're blind, shouldn't be allowed to drive if you have severe physical... That's probably a good idea, right? Yeah. And then along with that, they listed the desire to live and be accepted as a member

of the opposite sex and people who wear clothes of the opposite sex in order to experience temporary membership of the opposite sex. Those people... What was interesting... Russian drivers must not have sex disorder. So what was interesting though... Can you have sex in a car in Russia though? I hope so.

Yeah. I bet that's been going on since the communist era for sure. But the crazy part is that they had their first F1 race there. And sort of like coming to Texas, a black guy, Lewis Hamilton, wins the first race. They don't see many black people in Russia. I mean, it's a very sort of white place. It's actually quite racist. I know because I have Russian blood in me, unfortunately.

And that's the racist part of you? No, not at all. Not at all, actually. I was born and raised in london very cosmopolitan i have many many green yellow you know black oh there we go that's right i remember that i remember that i always think of them as american apparel like seedy basement wood paneling that's how i look at it no but she she's she she got kicked out of uh former Soviet Union. I remember seeing that Fair Factory episode you did down at the American Apparel facility down there.

Yeah, we did a few down there in downtown LA. Speaking of which, our t-shirts are made by them. American Apparel. And printed in Fremont by the same guys that make it for Tesla. So it's all here. Well, the main guy at American Apparel was supposed to be very weird. Eccentric. Shady.

Shady. Uh-oh. Creepy. Isn't he? Like like there's all these articles i never met him about him he does seem to attract i just paid we just paid the bills for it i don't know they tried to kick him out of the company and somehow now they bought his way back in that company got huge pretty quick you know stores everywhere and you know well it's all teenagers in their underwear a wood panel well the cool Well, the cool thing is actually about that company is that on the labels, we can specify what we want.

So that blue, that bright blue thing, not that one because that's a demo, but we're going to have labels that say... Wear until it smells? Wear until it smells, yeah, no. This was made by people over the age of 12 that didn't earn one cent a month. It wasn't exploited.

Well, that's a whole big thing, fully vertical. It was done in LA by real wages. They knit the fabric in LA. They cut it. They sew it right there on Alameda and 6th Street. Yeah, well, I've been to their factory. There's no shark fins in it. Yeah, there are regular people.

They've got like a million square feet of production down there. It's unbelievable. I hope it's not all the front though Cuz I'd be really disappointed. No, no, no, I mean it's actually made in Honduras No, you know, I've made the fact in detail. I mean I've walked down through there I've actually what when we're filming there we were actually walk through their factory. Yeah, but this is pretty what happened This is going back to the geeky thing. Sorry, but when I you know, we still talking about England and for channel talking Oh, whatever. No

When so 1998, you know, I'm out of university. 97, actually. I'm out of university and I'm doing this website thing. And I'm going to... You know what CES is right now? Yes, the Computer Expo. It used to be called Comdex. Is that like the Big Bang Theory for geeks?

That's Comic-Con, right? It's the Big Wang Theory, actually. The Big Wang. Wang Chung tonight? Yes, Wang Chung. I was invited to go and speak in Taipei at the Chinese version of it. And I went there, and you got to visit all these motherboard companies in Taiwan. And you're like, oh, this is where I get my Asus motherboard, and I overclock it.

And they're like, oh, thank you for mentioning us and all this stuff. You know what he's talking about? Yeah, he knows. He knows. Sorry. I used to build computers. Oh, okay. And, you know... I had to have Alex fix my printer the other day, so... And there's all these rather nice factories in Taiwan,

but you're sort of looking there and going, this isn't made in Taiwan. They're not actually doing anything. All they're doing is taking these things and boxing them, and there's, like, dust that thick on the, you know, on the equipment and on the tables, and you start to anything. All they're doing is taking these things and boxing them, and there's dust that thick on the equipment and on the tables, and you start to realize actually what they're doing is they're making it in China for way, way less. Sorry to break that, but it was disappointing.

Oh, so they make them in China and they box it up. Yeah, but it looks like they're made in... So I was just saying, I hope it's not like that with those T-shirts. I don't believe it is. I wanted to go with a company that was local, keep it sort of, you know, in California. I don't care about paying more for it. Think global, not local. Well, I feel bad for, you know, 12-year-old kids or whatever in Honduras or wherever it is, you know, earning a dollar a month, you know, to work 20 hours a day to make a t-shirt that I can sell

for, you know, whatever, 30 bucks. That doesn't feel good. Yeah, that whole thing that people... It really doesn't. Something happened in America where they started moving almost all of our factories and all of our... Overseas. Yeah. I mean, most of the cars. I mean, look at what happened to Detroit.

Detroit was essentially gutted. I mean, Detroit had some of the most amazing cars. That was the first city I came to in the state of Detroit. I mean, that's like a ghost town. Oh, you couldn't have picked a better one. You know, I flew to New York, took a trailways bus from New York to Detroit, worked on a summer camp with kids. That was how I got to America in 1986. And then spent some time in Detroit, which looks great from Windsor if you go across the, you know, into Canada.

Truth be told, as you would say, you didn't have your driver's license either, did you? No, no, I didn't drive in England either. You know, as a kid growing up, nobody had co- we couldn't afford one, first of that was we couldn't either she spent everything on my he went everywhere on the bus for 5p but you know it's uh you can go back now and be get an old age pension a free pass yeah i could do yeah almost you know what is that aap once you get to 48 is it 50 i'm getting there i'm almost it's close yeah it's close i will say though just for the record the first car i ever bought i I bought it here in L.A., passed my driver's test in L.A., I think in 1987 when I was 20,

at the Santa Monica DMV in a 1977 Toyota Corolla 2TC that I paid $200 for. So that was the very first car I owned. Wow. Second car was a Saab Turbo 900 SPG. I had plenty of it, yeah. And the third one was a 911. My car was a Saab Turbo 900 SPG. And the third one was a 911.

What do you guys feel as Englishmen living in America? Top Gear, the number one television show of all time when it comes to cars. But Jeremy Clarkson is pretty adamant about being anti-Porsche. Yeah, he's known to be a bit of a knobhead about Porsches. And that's okay. He actually, there's this episode, I believe it's... They love caravans on Top Gear. Yeah, it's before the new sort of format. I think it was either late 90s or early 2000.

You should look this up. Well, if you look at it... It's on YouTube by now. He takes what now is probably a $60,000, $70,000 911. It was like a, you know, 73... Yeah, he drops a piano-11. It was like a 73 9-11. He tries to destroy it. He hits walls with it.

That must have been the first generation. That show initially was canned because Tiff Nadell was on the first one. That's what I grew up watching and I think you mentioned this with Chris Harris how Tiff Nadell drove with him and stuff. That was the first incarnation and from what I can get i actually liked it better then i mean it's really spectacular now with all the explosions and all the silliness but it's sort of like jackass uh for car guys yeah

tiff nadell show fifth gear i did that show and that seems to be a bit more of a serious well all of them can drive too and what's her name vicky who used to be on there he is right there with this car. Yeah. Oh, dude, your man is on point. On point. Look at that. I wouldn't have found it.

I mean, isn't it disgusting that he's going to smash that car, though? I mean, that is a fucking beautiful car. You've got to remember, though, back then, these cars were under 10 grand all day long. Now. Isn't that amazing? It's amazing how prices doubled and then tripled. Like, what is, like, a 1972, like, really well- 9-11 S or something?

Well, if it's an S, well-prepared. Two to 300 grand. That's incredible. Dude, a 73 RS. He drops a fucking piano on it. Don't do it, Jeremy. Yep. That's the final-

That looks good on camera. Yeah. Ah, fuck, man. No, but he does way worse. He goes into, like, walls. He just cripples the thing, and it just keeps on going. That's the joke about it, really. It is kind of fucked up that that car takes such a beating.

They are rock-solid cars, man. Yeah, they are. Well, look, I mean, who would have thought, you know, we're racing around in the canyons in a 71. It's just set up right, you know? Yeah, 277's, well, 44 years old now. You know, that thing's aging very well. Yeah.

Yeah, those cars are amazing. I feel bad just watching that, actually. It doesn't do well. Yeah, it's gross. It is crazy, though. I'd rather watch those other videos that you found last time of, like, people making love to orangutans or... You are on the wrong show.

No, no, no, it was no no i think no it wasn't that it was you you were saying a horse was banging a dude that was true that was the one that you were you were really high on that one last time hey with the language sorry not true no no no i'm shocked disraced disturbed come on high on. It's a good job no one's listening. You said high on like the movie Avatar. I enjoyed that. It was high on that. I'm not high on this horse. You said that was actually, and it was in your stand-up too,

you said the noise that that guy makes will stay with you for the entire life. Well, it will if you've ever watched it. I didn't watch it. I don't want to see it. But you made the noise so it was as good as watching it. You made the noise. Thank you. Appreciate it. I don't want to. It was But you made the noise, so it was as good as watching it. You made the noise. Thank you. Appreciate it.

I don't want to. It was coal mining somewhere in Kentucky or something. Back to my original point. Did you ever want to get Jeremy Clarkson, one of your 4.1s? I mean, I want that guy to drive that car. Not him. Not him, but actually Richard Hammond. But he likes Porsches.

Right. He had a GT3 RS, a green one like ours. I really wanted him to drive ours because I think he'd understand it. Clarkson, first of all, he wouldn't fit in the seat because he's a bit of a chubby, tubby guy. He is getting a bit chubby. Yeah, well, if Matt Farah fits in, how the fuck could Clarkson not fit in? That's true, actually.

He just said on the way over that when we were driving his car, that when Matt Frost sat on it, it's developed a new creak. Yeah, it had a new creak that wasn't there before Matt sat on it. A new creak. Yeah, a new creak. Yeah, and a little creak that developed a new creek yeah there wasn't there before yeah yeah and a little creek that's on the passenger side that wasn't there yesterday a good solid 250 if not higher yeah the weight distribution was a little bit different with him in the car yeah he could he could go on a little bit of a diet and be better nice guy though he's super great yeah 277 so that was good i think he had fun in the GT2 as well. He was raving about the 277. He was raving about the way it handles, about how it sticks to the road. No, Matt sort of got it towards the end of the day too,

because at first he was like, holy shit, holy shit, this thing's like, you know. And then I said, just ease in, just ease in. And the more time you spend with that GT2, such as a month. He eased in pretty quick, because before we got to the canyon, I was in the passenger seat when he was driving, and we did do the 147. Well, he's also like... 147 kilometers.

No, it was miles per hour. It was 147. It was professional driver on a closed course. I mean, come on. Full disclaimer here. Matt Farah is also one of those guys that really loves cars. Oh, yeah. When you're around him, it's the same sort of infectious sort of energy.

Sort of for hours, yeah. When he's driving those cars in those videos, I mean, that's how I became friends with him, is watching his videos and then reaching out to him. His videos are fun. He's enjoying driving those cars. It's not like some sort of an antiseptic review of these things. He's excited about it. Passionate.

He's got a collection of cars himself. I love his DeLorean. I love his DeLorean. That's the car he's going to have a model of. I saw him up in Monterey. We parked next to each other and he was going everywhere in that DeLorean. So got a lot of style. Yeah, you know exactly. You know a guy that shows up in a DeLorean.

That's a good dude. Yeah, he's here to party. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Good sense of humor. Yeah, I saw one the other day in Hollywood. DeLorean?

Yeah, I looked to see if it was Matt driving. It was just some weird nerd? Some guy. I mean, they're cool to drive now. I posted a photo. I ran into him at the LA Auto Show not long ago, the opening day. And he just happened to be parking in the same spot underground at the convention center. But he pulled into the handicap zone.

He didn't park there, but he pulled into there. Opened up the door, and I took a photo. And, of course, I had to put it up online, and of course within like three minutes is all this hate of, why is that asshole parking in a handicapped zone in the DeLorean? It didn't take long for that to sort of get punchy. Mentally handicapped for owning a DeLorean, that's what it is. I think we're all mentally challenged here. A little bit.

Mentally challenged. That's not a bad thing. Excited in a very illogical way. Let's put it that way make sense a mouthful Yeah, I want to get Jeremy Clarkson in one of your cars man. It would be hey Jeremy if you're I'm sure right now What he doesn't even know what the internet is seriously. He does not I'm sure he calls it the interweb I guarantee any any you know what he calls. You know what he calls a Prius a prius

You know what he calls an iPod what a pod? Well, you guys fucking around. And you know what he calls a Prius? A Prius. You know what he calls an iPod? What? An iPod. Well, you guys say aluminum wrong, too. Tomato, tomato, color, color. What's up with aluminum? Aluminum?

It's not how it's spelled. Oh, no. It's just- Spelled aluminum. Do they spell it differently over there? They just pronounce it differently. Color is spelled differently. C-O-L-O-U-R.

You know what, dude? All I can say is if you don't want to speak English anymore, then go ahead and speak Spanish. No, we're speaking American speaking America. Now you speak in English No, we run the world now. It's a different thing No China does this is no need say so but we have all the bombs Essentially if the shit hits the fan America takes China has some bombs We will own this nuclear wasteland that is the world. Yeah, we all go to war. Yes I'm frankly goes to Hollywood, right? Go to war.

Go to war. When two tribes go to war. Yeah, when two tribes go to war. You guys can't deny America when you already moved over here and said how awesome it is. Hey, it's the land of opportunity. The grass is greener on the other side. Hey, I'm an American citizen. I'll have you.

Hello. You know how I became an American citizen? You went alone? Only in this country. How? I was working way too hard. You met a Mexican. Yeah, I shook hands with him and we went across the border.

When did you come to the States again? 98. Alright, so you were one of them newbies almost. Newbie, yeah. No, so I did all the process. I had what was known as an O-1 visa, which is like a special thing pre-9-11. It was kind of easy to get in LA for people that were like internet celebrities. Whoa, internet celebrities.

Dude, you should have seen my groupies, man. Can we Google Sharky's Extreme or something? No, Sharky Extreme? Oh, dude, don't do that. Don't do that. When you went to these things, there was actually one time that a woman actually showed up.

It was a really cool groupie one time. I had a woman, but most of them were guys. Anyways, back to that. You watched The Big Bang Theory, right? That's sort of how I imagine your life. cool groupie one time i had a woman but most of them were guys anyways back to that yeah no you watched the big bang theory right that's sort of how i imagine your life no but when i when i got here i had the o1 visa then then i got a green card by you know i got married to my girlfriend who was a game developer and um you know i started another company after retiring which was shark works out of a hobby again and uh you know sort of a few

years into that i'm like okay i have to get the second green card which i think is three years later so they they make the appointment and i lose the card right you lose it the way i the way i lose it is by bringing it back to them i've seen seen how he loses stuff as well. Yeah, I lose my lunch. I got a good green card story when you're done. No, no. So I take the green card back to them, the original one, and then I'm supposed to come back in three months and pick up the second version of the green card.

I don't get to the appointment on time because I'm supposed to make an appointment within six to nine months, and I'm so busy with SharkWorks that I don't. So I come there. The officer there eventually is like, hmm, well, we're never going to find it. I mean, you're here like a year late. So you could either start this process again

or do you want to just become an American citizen? Literally, I'm not kidding you. And I was like, okay. Did you do a test right there on the spot? Yeah, so I did like a, no, not on the spot. I had to come back and do a history test. And at the time. You talking about the Mustang?

No, no, no, no. What was this? This John Adams thing was on HBO. It was fucking useful. Sam Adams' brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one. These are American stories, right?

Yeah, man. Yeah. I'm not a U.S. citizen, so I yeah, yeah. That's the one. These are American stories, right? Yeah, man. Yeah. I'm not a U.S. citizen, so I'm sort of doing some schooling here. I picked up on that, and then my education finally came in handy because we did a lot of history and stuff. Actually, the Brits did kind of rule the – Britannia ruled the waves back then. We colonized everything. That's right.

Including the wing of a GT2. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so that's how I got it. That's amazing. Isn't that cool though? So you came in for a visa and they said, look, just become a fucking citizen. Just become a fucking citizen. You speak English.

You look kind of weird. They never said that to me. Really? My green card story, I'll make it really short. You know, I'm on a green card. I've been here 28 years. A couple of years back, I go to England, leave L.A., no problem, get into England, no problem.

Ten days later, I'm ready to go back to L.A., and they go, okay, we need to see your green card. I hadn't even looked at it in about two years. Well, it turned out it had expired. Oh, yeah. So I'm thinking, what's the big deal? It's sort of like an expired driving license. It's only two weeks.

Before you know it, Homeland Security is coming in. Flying on a suspended green card. Yeah, Karen's all upset because we were like, how long is this going to take? You go, what? You may have to stay here a week or two and go to the embassy and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, long story short, we got a 24 hour extension just to fly back into the States. Got sort of hammered when I came into LAX because of course they thought this was some Mickey Mouse 24 hour extension. But long story short, don't let your green card expire. In 2015, it's really hard to become a U.S. citizen, right? It's much harder than it was back then. For a white English guy that has or had a posh English accent, it's probably not as hard as it is for people of other ethnicities. You mean for a guy with a northern accent? No, I'm talking with a different skin color. Yeah a turban

Doesn't start in a corner shop does it the band corner shop? No does not start. No, I'm talking Have you ever thought about doing something like what Singer's doing, but doing it with, like, the actual classic shape, you know, 1970s, late 1960s car, and, like, producing them? No, you know, I think I touched on that earlier on about I don't build customer cars. I know you don't, but goddamn, what a demand there would be for your car.

There's a demand there for sure, but, you know, then it goes, for me, from being a hobby and a passion to a job and a business, which means responsibilities. It's like if you come to me and say, hey, I love your car, but all of a sudden it's not my car. It's your interpretation of my car. It might have some tweed on it and, you know, it might be pumped up. And, you know, all of a sudden it's got your personality, which is fine. up and, you know, all of a sudden it's got your personality, which is fine. But then I'm sort of under the pressure, I believe, to make you happy, to build the car to your expectations, your timeline, your deadline.

So I don't really have any interest in turning that side over to becoming like a production line, even though I know if I built, let's say, three or five cars a year, I could probably sell them because I've had no problem selling cars, you know, through the press I've got. People, I get all these emails, if you ever want to sell that car, let me know type of thing. It's interesting, though, with so many collectors out there and so many people who customize cars and do things,

you've sort of somehow or another, just by your own infectious passion and enthusiasm, you've risen to the top of this short group. The long probably talking about the long hair and the beard, I think. It's a little bit of that. You don't have time to cut that stuff anyway. Yeah, no, no time. For me, I think it was luck and timing. Last year was the 50th anniversary of the 9-11,

so you could not escape hearing about Porsche and the 9-11, 50th anniversary issues. And I think from a story point of view the builds that I were doing were quite interesting but I also think not being your typical Porsche looking guy because truth be told there is a stereotype especially in LA of Dr. Lawyer Beverly Hills guy driving around never taking his car to the canyons you know just more of a status symbol so I was a complete opposite of that. So I think from a story point of view, why I got a lot of sort of momentum was a couple of things.

Timing, not looking like a typical Porsche guy. And also the cars that I build, instantly recognizable as 911s, but just slightly tweaked. You know, it's the little details that I think separate my builds from the countless other people building cars. And the one common thread between the fashion, the clothing, and the property and the filming that we do is just putting our own little style on it, which became personality. And for me, I never set out to say, okay, here's the 1973 RSR that left the factory, the Porsche factory. And everyone that replicates that car just duplicates exactly what the factory did. I want to make this point, too, because a lot of people are going to ask me,

how did this happen? He hasn't made a single cent from, like, what happened is we sat down by the fireplace, had a love affair, and had a baby, which is a GT2, outlaw GT2. Oh, you mean you two together? Yeah. I wasn't sure what he was talking about there, either, actually.

Oh, just check your two together? Yeah. I wasn't sure what he was talking about there either, actually. Check your rear end later for Cole. Cole, mine and his daughter. Oh, jeez. That's a good film, right? This is going downhill fast. Actually, the only thing he's gotten out of me was a 1.18 scale

white GT2, which I just happened to send him the day I got the car. Yeah. And the funny story is that Dan, who was here last time, him and I, the first day we got that GT2, we're like, well, it's not as pretty as the or flashy or crazy as that blue and orange car. What the hell? What we need to do is make a sketch of his 277 car.

So we used Photoshop, or he did, because I suck at it. And he did like a five-minute job of a tribute car to the 277 and emailed it to him. And I texted him, and he's like, how's the horsepower coming? Basically, that's an English subtle way of saying, don't quit your day job. Stick to making cars go fast and not look better. Perhaps the moral to that story.

And I sort of kept needling, needling and needling. And he had to live with it. And, you know, he just, I don't know, I guess he got passionate about the car. So he did it. This thing evolved organically. I think I touched on it in the past. People have asked me to collaborate on, you know, some of the people's builds. And for me, I had to be connected to the car.

And I think when they left the car with me for as long as I wanted, really. It rained for a long time. Yeah, it rained for a long time in LA. But I finally connected with the car. And then it just made sense to put my personality on that car. Because for me, this is not about money.

I'm not making money off this collaboration. It was just a fun project that, wow, this is great. I've got this awesome car that I can keep for a little bit. Hence the OPP, other people's Porsches. It's our baby. You can have it anytime. I can do with it whatever I want to do. And, you know, it was just, for me, it was really exciting to put my sort of interpretation on a new car.

You know, I'm sort of moving forward in the Porsche years. I often talk about variety and wanting to experience more of what Porsche's got to offer. So for me, my original goal was having one of each year from 64 through 73, which covered short wheelbase and long wheelbase cars. Now you need one from 2007 to 2011. My new goal now is to have one of every generation, the seven generations of Porsche, you know, through the G Series. I like it. Into the 993, 964, 996, 997, 991. So I want to experience everything

that Porsche has to offer in the 911 range. So far, I've covered sort of, I've driven all those cars, but I've never owned them. Well, let me ask you about this then. You really love those old cars. And one of the things you love about those old cars is the tactile feel that you get when you're dealing with a car that weighs 2,000 plus pounds. It's such a light car.

You feel the road. No power steering. You literally feel the pebbles that you're driving over. When you get to like 996 and 997, you're going to get like a more muted feel. It's a muted experience feel to mute an experience compared to the hill you get to the gt3 yeah and the gt3 sort of removes some of that insulation what better car to do it on than a car that you know only produced 200 nobody understands and when you say new car it is a newer era car

but it's actually a 2008 car well you're talking about your car yeah you know put it this way right Walter roll who we, who is the world's greatest ex-rally driver, used to drive Group B rally cars that were like death traps and win. He did mid-seven minutes in a Carrera GT and the exact same time in a stock version of that GT2. The GT2 these guys have got, it's got 200 horsepower more than the Carrera GT. And British flags on it. But it's an easier car to drive. But is it unmanageable?

I mean, when you get to that kind of power... The way he drives it, actually, he manages it... You wear it well. But is there a point of diminishing returns? Where you have too much power in a car and you're spending so much time trying to figure out how to get the wheel down. You obviously don't need 775 horsepower.

You always say too much power is never enough. I'm the less is more type of guy, but I've got to say horsepower is addictive. I had that Mopar background driving the Super Bs and those things were addictive in a straight line. The GT2, there's no question that's a scary car and it's got 775 horsepower. But that's sort of part of the challenge of can you man up and sort of conquer that power? You know, and that's one of those things that unless you, you know, I've got really big balls.

Do you want to surf the big wave? I think you've got to grow into that. So to me, that's the challenge of trying to get the most out of that car. You know, and I've sort of been lucky through these guys to be able to drive various variations of the GT3. You know, I've driven in stock form. I've driven the 3.9. I've driven the 4.1. I've driven that GT2.

This year, I got to drive a lot of my dream cars, the 911R. I drove a 74 RSR. But I drove three of Porsche's iconic super hyper cars, the 959, the Carrera GT, and the 918. And they all offer, I keep going back to Variety because they all do the same thing differently. And that's sort of what's great about the GT2. It does the same thing, but it just delivers it in a different form. Challenging. You know, and the challenge there is, truth be told, that car is done by 7,000 RPM.

You're on the limiter. You're bouncing off the limiter at 6,800 RPM, and it's done. Step into 277 that's got a quarter of the horsepower, that thing will rev over 8,000. Step into the GT3 3.9 or 4.1, those things go to, what, 86, 88, 9,000 RPM? We're kind of just talking about numbers here, but what my point is is, like, there's two different schools of thought and two different philosophies that you're dealing with. You're dealing with, in one school of thought, the cars that you are famous for,

which are these really lightweight cars that are very tactile, and there's some sort of a strange character to those cars. Like, even when that Urban Outlaw video, when you get into that silver car and you rev it and you're looking at the gauges, it has a feel to it that you just do not get from a modern car. But there is, I mean, you've admitted this too,

there is like some level of connection between them. The DNA's still there. There's the DNA that's still there. Unquestionably. You know, it's a little heavier, it's a little more modern, it has a cup holder, but it's still got that, that's why I said the golden era is 2007 to 2011, those GT cars.

They're all manual. They still have that link to the real 911. That's why that car has gone up in value so much, all the GT cars. Because people that know, and there aren't many of them, unfortunately, and that like to drive, they get it. And they've had older cars, or they want older cars, or their parents have had older cars, and they drive these new ones, and it's like, you know what?

It does all that stuff a little more comfortably and has nav and all that shit, but it's still a 911. I think the GT3, up to what you've got, the 997, is the connection to what I've got from the 60s and 70s. That's what I said, yours is a baby. Yeah, it's like a baby GT3, because that throttle response,

the lightness, the way it feels the road, the way it turns in, it's back to that, I keep talking about it, the five senses, the connection, the sight, the sound, the feel, the smell. The GT3 has that, you know, and that's what's great about those cars. I've yet to own one. I'm trying to get a 996 GT3. So I think that's the most bang for the buck. I mean, truth be told, I've been collecting these early 911s for over 20 years when you could find them in, you know, auto trader. I bought 277 at the Pomona Swamp Meet in 1999. And it just, it's the second Porsche I ever owned. And it's evolved into what's become, I think, the car that I'm most connected with. You know, all my memorable moments and everything you talk about, that tactile feel and the connection,

and sort of what I think to me I got across in Urban Outlaw, the documentary, is it's a common thread that everyone relates to. You've always got your favorite car that you go back to, and I describe that being like my old favorite pair of beat-up jeans or your old shoes, because you're just comfortable in it. There's no surprises. And it's funny, you know, you spoke highly about Matt Raven about the car. You know, he got comfortable in that car within half a mile where, you know, he was pushing that car. So the limits are not that high where, yeah, the car's fast, but it's not GT2 fast where, you know, you're not going to get way over your head really quickly. I think that's the difference.

And that to me is the challenge of driving these early cars is, yeah, they're antiquated by today's standards. But it's every time you get in, I talk about driving for me is freedom because I don't commute. I walk to work. So 80% of my drives are pure pleasure. It's like you're working out in the gym. No two experiences are the same, I don't think. But there's that rewarding satisfaction, I assume. I don't work out.

But to me, I often say people like, some people like to go to gyms to work out. I like to get in the car and drive. That's my physical and mental workout is behind the seat of that car. Because nothing else matters when you're there. You're not thinking about what you might be pissed off about or, you know, something that's sort of bugging you. When you're behind that wheel, it is this sort of almost out-of-bottom sensory type of expression of man and machine

on the open road. With those lightweight cars, that's where you're getting this experience. I think that's one of the things that people miss when they talk, oh, I don't care about cars. Cars get me there. Everybody gets wrapped up in cars. I think what they're dealing with is the difference between like a modern commuting car and what you're driving which is essentially like a ride yeah

you're in a ride well that's why i said it's it's sort of like i like surfing i've had seven concussions so i can't do it anymore but you got a concussion from surfing i got one from surfing and six from soccer football oh and sorry one from being a passenger in a car one time tell me about that yeah you were semi-pro footballer back in the day no not not no just just just basically let's just call it public school boy footballer then how about that okay that sounds sexier so david beckham shouldn't be worried about your football skills? No, no. I was too left-footed. No, no.

No, I was left-footed. But, yeah, it's sort of like surfing where it's not for everybody. It doesn't make sense. I mean, in Northern California, you go out, it's 50 degrees in the water. There are some sharks, actually. And it's gnarly. And the surfers are not friendly at all. They're very localized.

And they hate you. And you can't open your mouth if you don't live there. Sounds like Point Break. I just watched that film. It's like that, actually. Surfers, man. They're violent with surfers. Let me tell you, Santa Cruz is where I go.

It's not the friendly city. I mean, you would think they're all lit all the time and everything. But they're not friendly. It's not a bro fest up there? No. It's a this is my way fest and get the fuck out of the way fest. What's that Kiefer Sutherland movie that's set there? Kiefer Sutherland?

Kiefer Sutherland. Lost Boys. Oh, Lost Boys. Yeah, that's cool. Santa Cruz. That's Santa Cruz, right? Is it? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't think the location was a main point in that movie. No, I think it was the vampires. Yeah, the vampires was the big deal. You missed the point, dude. Missed the point. All right. But when I go surfing, I mean, there's better things to do with your time that are less risky.

Probably. Because it is kind of risky to do that. Yeah. So driving a crazy, weird, low production that's doesn't make a lot of sense it's challenging but then you know why do people you know i mean not to make it sound glamorous but you know why do people bungee jump or why do they you know i want to do something that's sort of challenging and takes time and it's rewarding you know you get one out of ten shifts correct or you know that's what max is talking about senses it's a sensory it's rewarding. You get one out of ten shifts correct. That's what Max was talking about, senses.

It's a sensory... It's a challenge, right? With your MMA stuff, you probably started as a white belt back in... Everybody does. That's where you start, right? You're not starting as a white belt. What do you have now? You're like a dozen black belts or something?

Exactly. But it takes time and it's challenging. You beat up your body and it feels good when you get there so you know the blue car beat the shit out of us in terms of the development the costs the the setbacks the you know it didn't make any sense to do that you know i should have just focused on something that you know was a high volume high production car like a i don't know like a prius and made it get better gas mileage you know then then I'd be you know driving the world's most pimped out Prius probably but that's not what I wanted to do I want to do something that's you know feels good and it's challenging and you know work with these you're surrounded

by weirdos like him projects go a long way you know for me you know the best things in life are never really truly like I said okay there is one thing he's getting out of it okay so other than the 118 scale model i said dude i cannot look at your smashed iphone 5 anymore you're really really good at all these pictures and everything i'm buying you an iphone 6 and i'm helping you upgrade that's what he's getting so i i got let me tell you my background i resisted resisted resisted up until 18 months ago, I was still Motorola flip Razor phone. And that to me was cool because everyone's here with their iPhone, giving it this out and the other. I'm like, what the fuck is that about? And then finally, my Motorola Razor

died. I literally had no choice other than a real sort of throwaway crap burner phone or the ones for grandmas that only have three buttons. Something like that. Yeah, exactly. It was that or an iPhone five. So I got the iphone i remember i got it before amelia island last year so amelia island i think is march so barely had the iphone two years and that's sort of how my life's changed in two years was never on facebook wasn't on instagram still he's still not on twitter yeah yeah i'm trying to set him up with that. He's probably already got Magnus Walker. Yeah, probably going to get it. You know what we can do?

We can do Sharkness Walker. Yeah, there you go. That's what we can do. Sharkness Walker. Magnus Walker 9-11. My friend Ari went back to the flip phone. Ari Gold? No, Ari Shafir. Okay.

Stand-up comedian. He went back to the flip phone? He abandoned his iPhone and went to a flip phone. Went off the ground. He does all of his social media stuff, either on a computer or not. He doesn't check his Twitter on his phone. He's like, I was getting too wrapped up and like I would be talking to someone and I'd go,

what's this guy? I wonder if anybody's tweeting. Dude, I fell asleep last night on like literally that my iPhone hit my forehead three times and I finally gave up because I was like, what the fuck am I going to post? Yeah, another concussion. You know, I'm like, I'm looking

and I don't think it's spelled correctly. And it's probably like, you know, a bunch of weird winding characters or something. Well, it brings me back to what I was going to say. What were you going to say? There's senses. There's something about iPhones that drag people in, right? There's something about like being able to look at videos and you're interacting with your phone. Yeah.

The interaction that you get with those old cars, the feel that you get, the addiction that you get to getting in those things is very different than the new cars. And is there, and I wanted to ask you this because you're the expert on those older cars, is there like a point where it crosses this line and it's not the same experience anymore? And was there like a sweet spot in the production of cars? Was there a spot where all the technological advances and all the advances in suspension although they may allow you to get around a racetrack a little bit quicker especially with like pdk transmissions with dual clutches

working at the same time they do allow you to get places faster but is it is it missing all the stuff that gets people excited about cars i mean because i know that driving an automatic car is fun, it is satisfying, but I also know it's not as satisfying as shifting your own gears, as the feel that you're going to get from a car like yours. And I think that that's something that's missing. I think ultimately moving forward, the manual may become a lost art because you look at kids growing up today that don't know how to drive manual cars. So their point of reference is completely different. You know, most of us here, I think, learn driving a manual car.

And everything you said is perfectly true that it's the interaction between man and machine which gets you down the road differently in a manual than what it does in a new car, in a PDK or automatic. And as to trying to nail down a real answer to what is that sweet spot, I don't really know what the answer is to that question. I've driven almost every Porsche out there. And I've driven the new turbos. I've driven the new Cayman, which is a phenomenal car. I've driven the 991 in, manual, and PDK. And the new manuals are not the same as the old manuals. You know, they've got this hard-to-heel-and-toe the way the pedals are set up, especially if you've got ceramic brakes.

Explain heel-toe to people who don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Well, it's sort of an odd thing when you're downshifting, you know, you want to be basically on the brake and gripping the throttle at the same time, doing it with one foot, so, doing it with one foot. So covering two pedals with one foot. And the early cars, it's really easy to sort of modulate the brake and the gas pedal. You know, I've often put little blocks of wood on the gas pedal to

bring it further up. So when you're all the way down on the brake, you can just sort of squeeze a brake with your right toe and roll over to the throttle to blip it. So you're matching the engine rest when you're downshifting that essentially is better for the healing toe is you know it's a smoother transition between the gears so as you're shifting gears you're revving the engine at the same time to match you

know when you're also down the lightweight flywheel that allows the the the rest of the early cars don't have that but what these guys are doing is super throttle responsive, lightweight flywheels. Yeah, lightweight components. It just makes it like, you know. And a new manual 991, it's a little bit different because you've got those ceramic brakes that travel on the brake pedal.

Let's say you're coming down Angeles Crest Highway in fourth gear. You want to make a right or left hand turn. You've got to go down, let's say, third or second. You've got to go down one or two gears, and you're all the way hard on the brakes. The travel difference between the brake pedal and the throttle on those new cars is almost too big to roll over in heel and toe. So, you know, they've sort of come around that with that Sport Plus mode, where it automatically blips the throttle for you. That's what I wanted to ask you. So when I first got in the car, you know, I can get it where my foot's almost on a 45-degree angle,

knees sideways, where I can roll off, you know, keep my foot on the brake but still modulate the throttle at the same time. So what I ended up doing was double blipping. I'd blip, and then almost the exact same time, the computer would automatically blip the throttle to match the revs, assuming that Porsche thought most people don't know how to heel and toe now the rev matching they're doing that on new cars now I think the Nissan 370 was one of the first cars to do it yeah there's actually the the newest Porsche which is sort of known as the we're sorry edition Porsche to for GT3 guys what they did is as I said the 911 GT3 came out only

in PDK the GTS now has a proper manual transmission, not like the fake manual transmission with the 991. Well, it was actually that you could get a manual, a 7-speed 991 if you really, really tried. But it was essentially just a PDK box. That's all it was with a freaking gear shifter. And what's the difference? Well, I think Chris Harris explained it. Oh, the new one is a real should we get chris in here to explain yeah to get chris in here he's got it yeah no well he like he was saying you know like you can you can go into like seventh gear and it's all like like this and it's just it's such an odd gear in those 991s because

when are you ever in seventh gear if you're driving to vegas well because it was a pdk transmission they have to use the new one exists. I mean, they have a six-speed manual transmission. That's a new transmission. And it came in. The new one is... The seven-speed is a new one. Does that go into seven-speed in sport mode? Yeah, it does.

But my point being is why have a seven-speed? If it's so annoying. Emissions. And they have to use it. But they have to use it because it's a PDK transmission. Well, I think that's the thing with those new cars. When you get in a 991 and it's so annoying emissions and they have to use it to ride it. They have to use it because it's a PDK transmission Well, I think that's the thing with those new cars when you get in a 991 and it's PDK And you're just driving around town before you even up 50 miles an hour. You're in sixth or seventh gear for folks I don't know what the fuck we're talking about Automatic it's it's a German word

Portial double club It's a crazy long word But what it stands for is two clutches. And what it means is that there's one clutch that grabs the gear. The second clutch already has the second gear in line. It already has it grabbed. So the change between gears, between first and second gear, is literally instantaneous. It's so fast that your brain can barely perceive it.

So as you're driving, when you're driving a manual car, you're like, you let off the gas, you hit the clutch, you put it in the next gear. This one's like, it shifts so quickly that there's no way you'd be able to do it on your own. And that's the fault of the Nissan GT-R, by the way. The Nissan GT-R being so fast and so technologically brilliant. And everyone says that car is soulless, though, right? Well, actually, what nobody says is really well Yeah, which is really annoying because some of my customers bought them they they fell for the hype and don't get me wrong

It's a amazing technological piece of Blocky something. Mm-hmm. But what it does is it takes a lot of weight. That's a really really heavy car So a lot of journalists will take it a few hot laps and it's like man look at this lap times look at the lap times but the guys actually ended up buying them and going on the weekend they would have to you know like change tran change their fluids they would the brakes would be cooked after like one session and one session meaning you know 20 30 minutes that's not much the porsches you just bang on them, you know, and you change them, you change brakes and stuff eventually.

Do they have ceramic brakes? They have them too. They have that option. Is it an option? Yeah, even Corvettes have them, you know, sorry, not even Corvettes, I'm just saying, you know, cars that are a lot less... That new Corvette, let's be honest, that's a lot of parts for the buck. Pretty badass.

Yeah. Well, you were telling me that you had driven around the Corvette ZL or the Camaro ZL1 and you were saying how addictive that was. I wasn't sure. No it was me. It was me. The ZR1. But you got a chance to drive the Camaro for a while didn't you? Oh the Z28 you're talking about. No before that. You didn't drive the ZL1? No. God damn it. Must have been the other guy with the beard. I swear you were telling me. You've never driven one of those Camaros? No. No no no. It wasn't yesterday. I was telling you I own a Superbee but no never a Camaro. You've never driven one of those Camaros? No, no, no. It wasn't yesterday. I was telling you I own a Superbee, but no, never a Camaro. You've never driven one?

They never loaned you one for a while? No? God, why do I feel like it was you? You were talking about the... I got visited by BMW. I got visited by Volvo. I got visited by, believe it or not, the guy from Bugatti. But, yeah, other than Porsche, no one's ever loaned me cars.

Or Shark Works. Yeah, or Shark Works. You know, I Porsche, no one's ever loaned me cars. I'm just... Or Shark Works. Yeah, or Shark Works. You know, I'm just sort of thrilled that Porsche loans me cars, but no, not me. Yeah, no, but the 991 GTS, to touch on that, it's the latest one that they've just released, and it does have a proper manual gearbox in it, not the pseudo PDK one. That's one of the things, like the in-between car between the GT3 and the regular 9 and they're like okay you can order it in manual we don't care about performance numbers um you know it's an NA car it's sort of like a manual GT3 if you would it's the weird sorry edition naturally aspirated that's true natural aspirated what the you're talking about

it's an NA car yeah basically it doesn't have hair dryers or a blower or any forced induction boost. All it is is vacuum. And is this a good car, this GTS? A lot of journalists are raving about it. I think Chris Harris was about to go drive it after your show, or he was back from it. I'm not sure. But, Ralph, you drove it, didn't you? Or they took it up to you, and you didn't like the automatic blipper.

He didn't like that at all. Well, no one can hear you. it, didn't you? Or they took it up to you and you didn't like the automatic blipper. He didn't like that at all. Well, no one can hear you. So, yeah. Unfortunately, unless you want to get on the microphone. Yeah, but basically. Let's not talk to Ralph. Sorry, yeah. But, yeah, sorry, dude.

If you want a manual modern 991 platform, that's the car to buy right now at this very time. I don't want one, but that's if you want one. And what are they going to do with this GT4? What's the specs? Is right now at this very time i don't want one but that's if you want one and what are they going to do with this gt4 what's the specs is it going to be a fast car the cayman gt4 it's funny you talk to people at porsche and they won't tell you anything about it you know it's essentially a cayman gts are on steroids with supposed gt3-esque performance right in the mid-engined already great handling Cayman package. Well that's the thing about the Cayman for people who aren't aware 911s are a rear-engine car and there's certain inherent flaws in having all the weight

in the back of the car. And you move it forward to the middle for the Cayman. The Cayman which is a mid-engine car is better balanced but they have purposely Porsche has underpowered that car in order to keep the 911 at the top of the food chain. Yeah, it's always sort of been handicapped, because as we know, the 911's top dog, being around for 50 years, essentially the Cayman handling capabilities

are really, really high. I mean, you can get in a Cayman, you know, and go fast really, really quick. Porsche loaned me a Cay in last year for a week. And my favorite go-to road is Angeles Crest Highway. And I had two of them, manual and PDK. And I'm pretty comfortable in Angeles Crest Highway. I drive it all the time in 277.

I was amazed at how much quicker it was, or I was, in the Cayman with less effort. So back to the original question, you know, the reward, you know, the payoff versus the effort put in. I'm quicker in the Cayman, but the drive's not quite as rewarding because I'm not quite as involved with it. We had the first year of Cayman S. Yeah, we built the first year of Cayman S as a shop car. And then, you know, it got tracked a lot and went up through the canyons. And I'll say, you know, it's an 06 Cayman S and we added a bunch more power,

lightweight flywheel, better suspension, better brakes, tried to make, you know, better seats, tried to make it like a canyon carver. And it was easier to drive fast. And it was also like anyone could get in it because it was just really well balanced and drive it fast. But it was missing, you know, the special engine, the whole connection.

You know, the steering wasn't quite the same. The feel wasn't the same. I mean, it's really nice to have that engine over the back because it's always like tugging at you and you've got to think about it. Whereas when you're in the Cayman, you can just drive like an idiot. But isn't that a crazy thing to say? It's good to have a flaw because you have to think about that flaw and counter that flaw. Because it's more effort. It's essentially an engineering flaw that they've worked for. Depends how you look at it, you know, you can rotate a lot quicker. Yeah. And you can put more power down better too, right? Because you're not spinning

the wheels. I mean, that's why 9-11 is powered down. You are in that GT2. Well, yeah, 800 horsepower you're spinning, but car number 277 with a quarter of that, that power's just biting into the ground. And you can come out, you get a much better corner speed exit. You know, which is why I'm still a believer in a sense of less is more, because you've got to put more in. I keep going back to rewarding experience. Well, that was what I was going to get to. Are you more comfortable? Do you enjoy the older cars better, or do you enjoy like a like a 4.1 gt3

when you're getting in the 4.1 i don't own any 911 beyond my 1979 911 sc yet i've owned over 50 911s i bought my first one 23 years ago but you've driven the other car driven them I do see in my future a space in the garage for a newer Porsche 911, probably some form of 996 or 997 GT3. But I also just said earlier on I want to get one of every generation. I also recently bought a 924. Let's talk about Porsche's unloved cars, 924. I bought a 1980 924 front-engine turbo. That was Porsche's first production front-engine water-cooled turbo. So my new goal is to have one of each of the three, let's call them, ugly duckling Porsches. 924, 944, and 928. 928's a weird one, huh? Yeah.

I mean, you know what I mean? It's just back to variety. It's like I've been so focused on early, early Porsches. And I've driven, you know, almost 50 of my cars have been early Porsches. So I've sort of covered that base. You know, I've covered, I've got one of the first year, 1964, and I've driven the tail end, back end, let's call it, the iconic 73 RS Carrera. And they all sort of drive in a sense, same but different is how I describe it.

So now I'm back to variety. What is more variety than a 924, a 944 and a 92080? Those are disgusting cars. I have no interest in those cars at all. It's pretty unbelievable. My 924 turbo cost me $4,500. It's unbelievable. I swear to God.

It's worth it. I put a couple of posts out there. It's silver. I swear to God, I put a couple of posts out there. It's silver with charcoal. It's got the black and white, what Porsche calls, pasture or checkerboard interior. And the funny part to that story is it took about a day before. I didn't even know the 924 forum existed. But a post and a thread developed on the 924 forum.

Someone sent me a link to it. And the title was, Watch 924 Prices Go Up. Look Who Just Bought One. And there was this whole, like, rambling thread about, sent me a link to it and the title was watch 924 prices go up look who just bought one and there's this whole like rambling thread about why would i have bought a 924 i'm a 911 guy but lots of bang for the buck and back to variety they're also very well balanced i have a friend who races them right yeah he loves 924 good race car i mean 924 944 spec series is phenomenally successful, just like the Boxster series. And people email me all the time. It falls into a few categories.

Obviously, people liking the cars. But my favorite sort of category of emails that I receive is from non-Porsche people that have maybe seen Urban Outlaw, maybe followed my builds, and all of a sudden are being turned around from being Porsche haters into all of a sudden looking at Porsche a little bit differently, predominantly the early cars. And these are guys that are looking to get into a Porsche for the first time. I wanted to pull up this video, what we talked about before the show, Jack Olsen's 911 versus 1972 911 versus 991 GT3. And Jack Olsen is a writer in Hollywood who is a really fascinating character.

I'm going to get him on the podcast too. We've talked about it. And he has essentially had this lifelong... There's a video, Jamie. I can email it to you if you want me to. Do you want me to email it to you? Okay. I believe he actually has a part.

I met Jack over 12 years ago when he was first developing that car, and it's gone through several phases. And I remember giving him car number 277. Ironically, I had AC when I first got it, and Jack Olsen was looking for an AC compressor. And I actually gave him my compressor that I think's in that car. But cool guy, and has really fine-tuned and developed that car,

spent a lot of time at Willow Springs. I think what you're getting at here, there's pretty much every person you mention here with a Porsche is a wacky son of a bitch. Yeah. You know? But we're all passionate. Yes, this is it.

Now, what's interesting about this is you're dealing with a car... No, this is not it. Yeah, okay, this is it. Yeah, 991GT. Is he driving both cars? No, no. They have a professional driver.

And what's interesting is that his car, which is a 1972 car, only has 272 horsepower. It's very light. It's around 2,200 pounds. And the modern car, which is 475 horsepower, PDK transmission, the automatic transmission, the whole deal, all the technological innovation, all the suspension and traction control, and a professional driver. And Olsen is still quicker. Who's driving both cars? I don't know. Jack's driving his car, which is the 1972 car.

Okay. But what's interesting to me is Olsen is obsessed with his one track, with his one car, and tweaking everything, constantly trying to shave seconds off of his car, trying to hit the perfect line every time. And in doing so, he's able to drive faster around Willow Springs, which is one of the fastest racetracks in America. Fastest road in the West. to drive faster with his 1972 lightweight low horsepower car than the most modern, most spectacular version of the 991 GT3. That is a lot of power though for that car. I mean, they never came with that kind of power. Well, he's got a 3.6 in there. Yeah, but it's still only 272 horsepower.

Well, I know, but they kick- I think that's at the wheels, right? Yeah. Well, it's a 993 stock engine. That's, but think about it. What did it come with stock right that that was about it probably 180. oh you mean the original 72. if it's a t it would be 130 if it was yeah 130. yeah well he's definitely added more horsepower but it's still

1997 technology i mean the at the height of whatever he's got it's 1997 technology along with some tweaks he's got some very custom wheels he's got. It's 1997 technology along with some tweaks. He's got some very custom wheels. He's got Fuchs centers with, like, I think he uses, like, a Corvette middle. Like, the wheel is, all his tires and wheels are custom. I've got a question for you then. So of the two guys in the car, right, I don't even care who wins. I know who wins. But when they come in, who do you think was having more fun?

Jack. Exactly. Because you know what what and you asked the pro driver I bet you if he drove the other one and even if he was slower He'd say it was more fun in the other ball Well also Jack's having more fun in the corners like he's keeping up with working in the corner The other guy is catching him in the straights. Yeah, I mean that's where it is. It's just raw horsepower and straight-line traction I mean you could probably have a similar time in, like, a modern GT500. What time did you do in the end? 120 what?

I don't remember. I don't remember what the numbers are, but I remember the Jack's was quicker. Well, we'll see. That's just kind of... So here he's coming around turn nine. If you watch the video, it's really interesting because Jack narrates it and he talks about the differences between the two cars. Well, Jack certainly knows his way around Willow, for sure.

Well, that's also part of the rub, is that 126, so he, you know, look at that. I got a nice nugget for you, brother. So you know your car, the GT3 RS with a 3.9? So I had a pro driver, Court Wagner. Like the video you saw with the two green cars? Yes. Yeah, so that day, he was in the 124s, and that was on shitty tires. So just letting you know.

Yeah, I think a real test there is to have a pro driver drive the same cars. Because we don't have the guy. I know Jack's got thousands of laps at Willow. We don't know who the other guy is. Yes, very important. I think you put someone like, let's say like a Pat Long. I was driving with Pat Long last week. A guy like that, you put those guys in the car and see.

That's more of a true test, I think. Same guy driving both cars on the track. But still, it shows that your car is not, even your car, which is four years older than the new generation 991 GT3, it's not slower. Right, right. But you're still having more fun. It's different. I think it's all about the driver, though. Because, you know, we were up in Angeles Crest the other day.

I'm driving 277, and you were with James in the GT3 3.9. Yes, that's right. It's all about the driver, I think, behind the car is what I'm trying to say. What Jack's showing here is that these lightweight cars have distinct advantages. They're unbeatable. Yeah, for sure. They have distinct advantages in cornering.

In braking and handling, everything. My question is, isn't that also what you're getting this tactile response and feel from, is the fact that these cars are so light. So there's this tremendous benefit in having a lightweight car. Yeah, super nimble. Like the Lotus Elise, which in having a lightweight car. Yeah, super nimble. Like the Lotus Elise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is a very praised car.

I'd like this was Colin Chapman's mantra. Why doesn't Porsche develop a lightweight? I agree with you. I think it's all new safety. They talked about it. They talked about it. Remember there was supposed to be that collaborative effort with VW a few years ago? Keep this thing as close to me.

Oh, yeah, sorry. A collaborative effort of like a mid-engine. It was only going to have 200 horsepower, and it was going to be about 2,500 pounds, which, okay, is not as light, but that's light. Still pretty light. Yeah, and it would have been a fun sort of Elise-esque kind of effort, but no, instead they decided to release another Panamera or another Cayenne. And when you get to the Cayman, which is a very lightweight car for modern standards,

it's about 3,000 pounds for the GTS, right? Is it about somewhere around there? It'll be around there, yeah. That's pretty light, right? Yeah. I mean, that is by today's standards. By today's, yeah. I think things have just got obviously heavier and bulkier and more sort of—

More horsepower and bloated. Yeah, they're not necessarily faster, though. No. You know, I still think—I keep going back to it—less is more, but I think those times have gone when it comes to new cars. Porsche's not going to start making a 2,500-pound 911. That's never going to happen. No, never. Well, why not?

Because it's just they get sued because someone would die in an accident and doesn't have eight airbags. Can't you put an airbag in it? I mean, how much does an airbag weigh? They weigh a lot when you have eight of them. Oh, I see. You would have to have modern standards to be several. Safety standards wouldn't allow it. I think the how much does an airbag weigh? They weigh a lot when you have eight of them. Oh, I see. You would have to have modern standards to be, there's several. Yeah, safety standards

wouldn't allow it. I think the standards of what sort of killed everything. Well, that's what's kind of cool. I've had a 1970 911T with a 3.0 in it and, you know, cams or mismatched cams, but never mind. And I've had a, you know, 79, 930. So, you know,

I've owned those cars too. i've sold them at the absolute worst time yeah you've got great timing when it comes to violent cars i see them now and they're worth way too much but um but i've driven them enough too and and all the cars you know because everyone at shark works everyone at shark works has had you know either a 912 like the absolute base base you know oldest model, you know Or an you know, James has had a phenomenal amount of old, you know rusty cars because they weren't galvanized back then He's a quiet guy James, right? But really he's a quiet He's like that scientist. It's gonna create something. Yeah, my professor

Yeah, and then you're gonna like explode when you hit the gas, but your point being they enjoy the yeah, we enjoy it We enjoy it. But the reason you had them cause more know And then you're going to like explode when you hit the gas. So your point being they enjoy the modern cars more. We enjoy it. But the reason you had them. You enjoy the modern cars more? No, that's not the point. No, not about more. It's like I like sharks.

There's a lot of different. Sorry, man. I like sharks. There's a lot of different, you know, species. You know, I like some bit more than others maybe. But I like sharks. I like 911s. And there's still a connection there. For me, driving my 1970 911T or my Speedster replica 356, it was nice.

And there's still something there that connects all the way up to the GT3. And I do get that the modern cars are losing it. And the fact that you can have one of the of them i mean he's the best known collector of air-cooled cars and you know i he pushes the button you know to his garage and he's got you know two water-cooled cars in there i mean that says something right i mean that's what water-cooled cars you have in your garage gt2 gt2 on the 4.1 your cars no but they're in there yeah but you're letting him borrow them he's not buying them yeah but he's allowing them in there got a leaky roof and water's leaking into the garage it's a joke but you're not a you But you're letting him borrow them. He's not buying them. Yeah, but he's allowing them in there. He's got a leaky roof and water's leaking into the garage. It's a joke. But you're trying to infect

him. Not with coal mining. Before I met Alex, I was already working towards water-cooled, but my heart and soul is air-cooled. I'm going to own one or two water-cooled cars just for variety. Do you like the sound of the air-cooled cars better? There's a weird sort of a raspy quality to those cars. Air getting sucked in through the carbs or the MFI. It's just a different visceral, sensorial feel that the new cars, they don't deliver the same way. Is there an issue with those cars in traffic?

I drove 277 in traffic. No, it's pretty easy to drive around. It depends on the setup. Is there an issue? Like if you were driving to the airport and you got stuck on a 405 in summer, would it be an issue? 277 is unbelievable.

Even on the racetrack, it never gets above 210. But when you're on traffic, like stuck bumper to bumper, it doesn't overheat? The turbos run hot. The early turbos run hot, but my early air-cooled cars never get above 210, 220. Let's say I'm in my turbo, my 76 turbo, and I'm driving to my buddy Marty's, who's at Roscoe and Reseda.

I'm on the 101. It's 100 degrees. That gauge is crawling 240 just because you're sat in traffic. So the early turbos run hot. The early sort of 2-liter, 2.4s that I'm running, no issues. Now, do you take that car places like if you go to the movies? We take it somewhere and just park it just shut up. Yeah, no problem You know, it's a very valuable car though to just leave parked. I never think of it that way, you know to me

There's some of the parts of 277 There's nothing if you if I give you the bill cheat on what that what that car is There's nothing really special about it. But I think the uniqueness of the car is it's developed its own personality. You know, it's not like it ever raced at Daytona. But, you know, I used to do 40, 50 track days a year in that car with the Porsche owner club between 2002 and 2007. But there's no real significant race history to the car. But I think the connection people have to the car really is a real simple theme and message.

It's like, just follow your dreams. You know, that was my dream car. It still is my dream car, but it evolved. It wasn't like this. It wasn't like I went out and wrote a check and just got a new car delivered. That car was, you know, I bought it at the Pomona swap meet. It wasn't flared. I talk about customizing Porsches.

Straight away, changed the motor in that car and, you know, just made it look more like a 73 RS Carrera. And that's the great thing about these early Porsches is they're really easy to customize. You know, we've touched on it a little bit. A lot of things are interchangeable. You can take a 2-liter motor out and put a 3.6 in if you want. That's what Jack Olsen did. Took out his 2.4 and put in a 3.6. So that's the great thing about these 911s.

And they get driven. They develop personality. 277's got personalities. Jack's 72 black beauty car, I think is what he calls it, is also pretty unique and got personality. You know, the two cars are similar yet different. That's ultimately the great thing about early Porsches is they develop character and soul over time, just like Patina. You know, some people like shiny cars. I always say, don't slow you down.

I'm not worried about rock chips and scratches because, to me, those are memorable moments that are earned over time, and they're earned by getting out there and driving the car. You never meet a guy at a Porsche event, or sorry, at a Cars and Coffee event, and he proudly proclaims, you know, I've got 305 miles on my 2007 GT3. Quite the opposite. Ralph has like 68,000 on his 3.9 GT3. They're built to be driven. 70 more now. Yeah, they're built to be driven, and that's how you get connected with the car you don't get connected by it by leaving it in the garage sure there's some there's some nice sort of curves on it and it looks cool but every time you drive it stuff

happens you know if you're if you're driving that particular car i think ultimately it's not necessarily about again for me to be the quickest quickest. It's more about enjoying that journey and just sort of being at one with the car. That's the great thing about all car guys. It's really the great thing about Porsche guys is it is this language. I've had people visit me from all over the world. It doesn't matter whether you speak English, German, or Japanese. You speak Porsche, and that's that connection. And truth be told, yeah, I'm an early air-cooled guy,

but I also like these high-horse high horsepower water-cooled things and to me It's not a case of which is better. They've both got soul, but they're both slightly different But they've both got personality and to me. I think that sort of sums up everything that's great about well and James You know who was up? He's the guy that built your engine and the other half, well, the other third of Shark Works. He got to drive the 277, you know, when they went off in the GT2 and I was sitting with him and he's a man of few words. And you know, I just slowly, like a few corners in,

you know, he starts out slowly, cause it's the 277 and we're like, oh, we're in it. It's amazing how many people want to get in that car. His face is going like like this and i just turn around and go you're having a good time aren't you and he's like yeah you know and and it's you know he he drives every day you know 200 000 or whatever 150 000 200 000 whatever they're worth and builds you know gt3rs's and he gets back in a you know in your car and it's like it's set up nice it sounds good you know it drives properly and he gets back in your car, and it's set up nice. It sounds good.

It drives properly. And he's just having fun in the canyons. Isn't there something about those old cars too, this knowledge that you're in something from another era, and it's almost like a bit of a time machine? It's like stepping back in time. Yeah, like listening to an old song. You listen to a Led Zeppelin song from 1971,

and it's like there's something about it that makes you think, man, this was going on. This guy was singing this in a different era. The world was different. And there's a finite number of those cars as well. No one's ever going to build another 1971 911. One of my favorite cars is my Irish Green 66 911. It's just it is one of my favorite cars is my Irish green 66 911 And it's pretty much almost in stock form that it would have been in

1966 breaks as well. Yeah, well, you know I've changed we're you know, obviously pads in you But you know the point of my story is the cars 49 years old and it's the best way that you just described it that I could step back in time to 1966 even though I was born in 1967. It's like you get in that car and it just, it's the smell of these early air-cooled, oil-cooled 911s. You know, I'll go through the process. You look at it, sight. You walk up to it, put the key in it, turn it. You sort of feel it and hear it. Then you sit in it, put the key in the ignition, turn the key. You hear it fire up and then you smell it. And it. Then you sit in it, put the key in the ignition, turn the key. You hear it fire up, and then you smell it.

And it's a time capsule right there. Right there is something modern cars will never give you. You know, we've sort of talked for a couple of hours about the difference. But ultimately, if I can home it into, you know, five senses of sight, sound, smell, and feel, that is the time capsule. And I think you just sort of brought us full circle into what is great about these early air-cooled 911s. And truth be told, it's probably the same thing all the VW guys experience, because it is like this living, breathing, time warp, time travel entity that ultimately doesn't matter really how fast you're going. You're just in this zone that is, yeah, it's antiquated, but it's also pretty exciting

and pretty special. I found it really great, you know, picking up my car that was, you know, from 71. And it's like I'm on the road, you know, in rush hour traffic, you know, with things whizzing by me and a bright yellow, you know, it was like an RS clone. And I'm sitting there, I've got no AC, no nothing, no cup holders, nothing. I mean, and I'm just, you know, stinking up the place. But I loved it, man. It was just great, you know.

And then I got home. I would take a canyon road near me. And I mean. My wife always says, Karen, you know, when I get home and I've been in a 911, she can tell I've been in a 911. Yeah, because it's a stinker. It's a smell. You sort of come in smelling with it.

You know, you've got that sort of sweat and oil and fuel smell. I mean, you either love it or you don't, really. It's an acquired taste for sure, but that's why I'm passionate about Porsche. It's like a Chanel No. 5 for us, right? Every time you drive one of those old carburetor-driven cars, even an old muscle car, you smell the fucking gas. Yeah, well, always the leaky carburetors. I mean, James helped me rebuild the carbs on mine, and it's like I spent like three days on it, you know,

rebuilding the carbs on that engine. I put them in. Boy, he helped me. And it's like, son of a bitch, I can still smell leaks, you know. And it's like, well, that's just how it is, you know. And then in the three days that I'd taken them out and rebuilt them, the weather had changed like 15 degrees, and the car ran like shit. I just couldn't handle it.

So it's like back to the drawing board. You know there's that joke about if early 9-11 is not leaking oil, there's no oil in it. These things are sort of living, breathing pieces of machinery that have got soul well that's with your 1965 but with the new with these ones that you've built yourself has there been new technology that allows those things to be a little bit more reliable have less issues most of the cars that i've built like the sdr or you know being involved in the process of these cars um i'm still sort of keeping them period correct you know i'm not putting newer motors in those old cars. You touched on a little bit what Singer is doing. The difference is they're taking a 964 and sort of backdating it to resemble an old car with modern technology. For the most part, other than updating, from what I do, torsion bars and stiffer suspension, which, yes, newer components, but yet it's still running, for the most part, the original motor that's being rebuilt, maybe at a higher spec. But it's still, if it was carbureted then, it's probably still carbureted now.

What about gasket technology or any of those things? I mean, have there been improvements? Yeah, for sure. But, you know, it's still, you know, it's like right now I'm building a 67S. It's a car that I've got the louvered fenders, which is my follow-up build to the SDR. I sourced a 67S case and bought some new Marley pistons and cylinders. And as crazy as this story sounds, I'm shipping all the components to my buddy, Matthias, who's got a shop in Hamburg, Germany. And I'm going to have him assemble the motor in Germany and ship it back.

So it'll have new components in it. And it's going to be punched out from 2.0L to 2.5L, but it's still a 67S motor going in a 1967S. Well, isn't that something that Porsche is doing now? They have like an entire factory dedicated to rebuilding old cars. Well, it's a Porsche classic restoration facility. They've actually had for some time, but what's happened recently over the past three to five years is, you know, these cars have just escalated in value to the point where now a lot of these cars that, let's say, would have been trashed five years ago because it wasn't worth spending 50 grand to restore a car that might be worth 30, now that 50 grand car or 100 grand car

could be worth triple that. What's the name of the Porsche restoration facility in Germany? It's just called the Porsche Classic Restoration Facility. Porsche Classic Restoration Facility. Yeah, Porsche Classic Restoration Facility. It's amazing, though. I've visited it. You know, over the past two years, I've done various events with Porsche.

I went to the Techno Classica show in Essen with them. I went to the Oldtimer GP at the Nürburgring and Goodwood Revival. Yeah, that's it. So the great thing about Porsche is they've got 50,000 parts in their showcase of Porsche Classic. It's not just 356s, it's all the way up to the 993 factory replacement parts. It's also a great thing about Porsche in that they make new parts for their old cars. They continue to make parts for every single model. That's why there's so many of them

on the road. They say there's 80% of them still on the road. That's incredible. How many other 50-year-old cars or 40-year-old cars are on the road? I mean, well, there's companies like Year One that make parts for old classic muscle cars and things along those lines, but there's very few. I mean, truth be told, Jag's got its own thing. Jaguar's got the heritage facility where they're actually rebuilding 12 of those continuation lightweight E-types. I know Mercedes has been doing it for quite some time. Those old cars smell like the 959s. Yeah, those are the 959s.

Do you know the story of the 959 in America, how you can drive one? Do you know why you can drive one in America? Because Bill Gates bought two of them and crashed one of them to do the testing on it, which is hilarious. Yeah, if you want to get one of those, you probably got to call Bruce Kennepper. You're going to be Bill Gates? I mean, how much are those worth? I mean, it's got to be worth like close to a million bucks. 959s are now a million dollar car.

A couple of years ago, they were like- They went back up, yeah. They were 500, right? Well, I remember when they were 253. Meanwhile, if you drove that and then drove your car back to back, you'd be like, fuck this old- It's like I said, I drove Helmut Box Prototype 959 that Brumos owned. And really, you know, it was no different to any other 911.

It wasn't this brutally just crazy car that they built, the GT2, which is just nap-snappingly brutally fast. The 959 is not like that. I mean, you've got to remember how old that car is now. It was in the 80s, right? Yeah. It was actually designed... You know, I'd kind of compare it a bit to a Bugatti Veyron. We're almost coming up on the 30-year anniversary

on that car. Let's not talk over each other too much. It's confusing for people. Can I take a bathroom break? Yeah, please do. But what it did was it basically was designed to get to 200. It was like the first supercar to kind of do that. So like the Veyron. It was like the first, you know, supercar to kind of do that. Right? So like the Veyron. So it wasn't brutally fast, but it was able to, you know,

to go 200 back in 1986, which was a big deal. It was one of their first four-wheel drive cars too, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. It had a lot. Yeah. They like to say all-wheel because four-wheel is like yeehaw.

Yeehaw, yeah. People think of, you know, fucking Hayseys. There's a cool picture or I don't know if you ever do you know about the parry dakar rally for example i've heard of it yeah so you should check it out people die every year in it they go across africa and and they actually took and they took 959s you know and had like you know rothman's stuff on it you know it's a cigarette company they raised them put knobby tires so the 959 parry dakar as you check. So it's a 959, and they rally raced it across Africa. And it did really well.

So that's another iconic 959. That is so ridiculous. They take a 959, which is worth a million dollars, and they essentially turn it into a truck. Yeah, but they raced it. That's Porsche. Well, rally racing is very strange because the cars look so odd, jacked up with the elevated suspension.

They have to have a lot of suspension travel right and so yeah yep they have to yeah crazy tires it just seems wrong though it's wrong to take those cars and to put them with such a wacky suspension then drive them over dirt well when you watch when you watch them all they're like the from the seat, oh my god. The guy I'm worried about is the navigator, though. The guy reading left, right, right. Those guys have got big balls, the navigator. And they always get blamed, too, when they crash.

It's like, it's your fault. Google Pike's big Ari Varnon or Walter Roll and just see those guys. I'm not a big fan of the idea of a navigator. I think you should be forced to fucking drive. Well, they didn't have GPS then. So what? You know, I feel like you should be able to figure out every turn, and if you go off the side of the cliff, that's part of the fun.

So, you know, we were talking about this program called Grandstand, which, you know, on a Saturday afternoon in England on one of the three available channels, and they had this, have you watched any Isle of Man racing before? Yes. Those crazy fucking bike guys? Yeah, those guys are nuts. We had a series with these sidecars

where these guys would trapeze off the side of the bike. That's all they did. But they would be the first ones to go flying when the thing crashed. It was just into a wall. Pretty gnarly. It's gnarly shit. I think the Isle of Man TT is the true test of big balls and a real hero when you see what those guys are doing out there.

Those guys are nuts, man. Yeah, fuck the soldiers. Those guys with the motorcycles guys are doing out there. Yeah, those guys are nuts, man. Yeah, fuck the soldiers. Yeah, fuck the soldiers. Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, 180 miles an hour, you know. Yeah, I know. Two and a half years from a tricycle. Yeah, they're real heroes.

They're fighting for our country or something. Or freedom to go fast on a motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah, those guys are animals. There's something really crazy about someone who wants to race for a living. They're like McConkie guys, you know, the Sean McConkie guy, for example. They're just nuts. What was the movie, the recent Formula One movie with Thor?

What the fuck is it? Oh, Drive? Rush. Rush, sorry, Drive. James Hunt, Nicky Louder. Well, that was my era growing up in the 70s. You know, England in 76, 77, James Hunt won the F1 and Barry Sheen won the World Superbike title. That movie didn't get nearly enough respect.

That was a good movie. It was Ron Howard's movie on racing. Yeah, it was pretty good. I mean, my mom remembers it differently because she fancied James Hunt. A lot of people did. You know, you see those guys. That was the sex, drugs, rock and roll era of, you know, partying, the lifestyle, the glamorous lifestyle. Now it's a whole different thing.

I mean, the guys are faster, the cars are quicker, but it's a whole different corporate mentality. Look at F1 footage in the 70s, and people are practically bare feet smoking in the pits. Look how it is today. Yeah, drinking. He looks like Thor. Thor really does look like that guy.

Tell them about your Hesketh sticker on the GT2. Oh, yeah. So, you know, remember, yeah, last time when we came here with the 4.1, you know, we showed up at Leno's place and Dan was wearing a Hesketh T-shirt, you know, and then we showed up right to his place. That's how we met. We were, you know, off the traffic. And he's like, Hesketh. And he's like, you guys are all right. These guys have blue books.

Hesketh, you know, in the movie that you were watching, you know, Lord Hesketh. He was the you know financier for for James Hunt You got to get your car to Seinfeld You got to have that nut drive your car cuz he's got one of the best Porsche collections in the world I mean, he's a real Porsche aficionado. Have you seen that show cars? Yeah Getting coffee. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty bad. He has a legit 1972 rs it's worth over a million dollars he drives it on the street yeah i know which is there was it wasn't there some wasn't there some uh yeah backed into it right someone did really yeah in new york in new york yeah they backed into it it's like oh and they probably had no idea it was worth a million now there's like some old

stinky porsche yeah that's what it looks like with a bunch of ugly decals on it dripping oil so someone backed up into it hard? Is it fucked up? Or was it on the show? It was an offender, I thought, right? There's a video of it out there. I guess you could Google Seinfeld's RS getting rear-ended in New York. This video of it getting hit? Yeah.

Oh, no. Find that. Yep. I want to see how he reacts. My car. What are you doing in my car? It's almost like you didn't even know it was there. It's like Jerry's set right up

as it means you know when you reverse tyrone things come from behind you oh yeah yeah i don't know why anybody would want to spend a million dollars on that car i don't understand he might have bought it when it was a 50 grand car oh yeah i'm telling you there you go look at this right there hamptons oh in there oh sorry oh my god un, in the Hamptons. Oh, sorry. Oh, my God. Unapologetic Hamptons woman. Yeah. Now, do your Jerry impression right now? Yeah, do it. Do you even know what you just did?

Hi, lady. See how happy he looks there? He looks really happy. Is that the before? That's the before shot. The accent of Jerry while he watches. Come on. Is there a video?

I think there's a video. There was a video. There you go. There you go. Interview. Let's hear this. I got to hear this. This video is going to get a lot of views now.

I want to hear what he says. Uh-oh, he doesn't look happy there, does he? I wonder if he finally swears. See, this is the great thing about the internet. We're talking about it and there it is. Is there a video of it? Yeah, yeah. Look up there.

Yeah, but that's a video of Seinfeld. No. Right there. Right there. No, no. Those are photos. Hey, what are you doing? Why are you backing into my car?

Hunchback twat. Look at her. Backing up into his car. How do you know? You can't see her face. Close to 4,500. 56,000. What year was this?

Yeah, that's not correct. 14? No. That's the other problem with the internet. Everyone has a freaking opinion. Yeah. Scroll down? No. That's the other problem with the internet. Everyone has a freaking opinion. Scroll down for video. Where's the video? I saw the video.

That's what I was saying. I don't know where it is, but maybe he took it down. Maybe. Yeah, but it says scroll down for video in the article. Well, you also can't believe everything you read on the internet. Isn't that funny? You go into the Daily Mail, which is a British tabloid. That's a British tabloid, dailymail.co.uk.

Isn't that where you... Did you guys give us that fucking guy from CNN? What's his name? That asshole that's not around anymore? Is that from the Daily Mail? Is he from there? Well, I don't want to say anything. He's gross. Yeah, he's not a very nice chap. We also gave you Simon Cowell. And that's the problem with the other problem with the U.S.

Like, it's sort of like the British rejects get thrown here. Well, no, hold on, hold on. Ricky Gervais, come on. Yeah, well, Ricky's great. Look, a lot of great comics. Ricky's a funny guy. But he's not great. He's a lot of great stuff.

He was not great. I felt really embarrassed being British with him. What, with Ricky Gervais? No, no, with that Piers guy. Well, that Piers guy got owned by Chelsea Handler. You ever see that? No. Was that the gun stuff? No, no, guy got owned by Chelsea Handler. You ever see that? No.

Was that the gun stuff? No, no. He got owned by Alex Jones and the gun stuff and by Ted Nugent. Oh, yeah. But Chelsea Handler, who's a stand-up comic, just fucking destroyed him. Good. Because she was like, you're not even paying attention to me. During the commercial break, you just go over and look at your phone.

He's a fucking moron. I didn't enjoy him on that show I thought he was just first of all, I don't enjoy his background. I mean, he's a shy people not just a shy stir They will happen to people's phone. Oh, yeah, that's not cool There were white people that were missing and they hacked into these people's phones and listened to their voicemail And so the parents got a false sense of like oh they might be still alive checking their voicemail yeah and it was because these shitheads were tapping into the phone he was a part of all that and somehow or another he escaped that scandal that's what i'm saying you know it was

easy for him to get in and impress and get in into the u.s and they didn't really do a proper background check on him and then suddenly he became you know a celebrity over here we got rid of him pretty quick but i'm glad well done. He was shamed many times before. I mean, people got to know what a shithead he is. But also, we're a sucker for an English accent, man. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was my story coming almost 30 years ago. English accent, sex, drugs, rock and roll

went quite a long way back. No, see, you don't understand. We don't know that that's a northern accent. We have no idea. You gotta watch Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, and that'll sort of tell you all about the great north-south divide. You know, Guy Ritchie's best movie, really.

Love it. Love Guy Ritchie. Huge fan. But the funny thing is about, sorry, about Piers Morgan again, is that if you watch Top Gear a lot, he's like the butt of every joke. Like, any time there's anything nasty or disgusting, you know, you watch, you a lot, he's like the butt of every joke. Anytime there's anything nasty or disgusting, you watch Jeremy Clarkson compare a car's suspension to Piers Morgan banging him in the rear, and he's like, so he's really not liked.

Well, he shouldn't be. I apologize for being British. The thing that they did with tapping into people's phones is just awful. Just disgusting. Apologize for being British The thing that they did what's happening to people's phones? It's awful just disgusting and the fact that he snuck in but it's like we are a weird sucker for English accents Which is why those infomercials when they're trying to sell It's always the villains in the Hollywood movies or the cleaning product yes guy it's like wow Can we do anything else other than? It's always the villains in the Hollywood movies or the cleaning product. Yes. It's like, wow. It's got to be a cleaning product. Can we do anything else other than mess with Porsches? Yeah, we brought David Beckham over here.

Come on, English guys talking about Porsches. That didn't work. You guys tried. We tried. He didn't. No, yeah. Spice Girls, come on. Yeah.

That lasted a little while, but we don't give a fuck about soccer. You can try all day. We're not going to buy it. We did try. We did, yeah. Or rugby. Or cricket. I think rugby would have been a better fit.

That's a man's game. I think rugby is more manly than even American football. Very close to American football. I think if you took American football players and took the helmets away and made them play rugby, that's a more exciting game. Actually, I did get one of my concussions from rugby because I played a lot of the – it was a posh man's game, rugby. It's very thuggish. It's a very thuggish game. game rugby. It's very thuggish. It's a very thuggish game. I mean, it's the only game I know of where like a big Samoan, you know, can like step on your teeth in a scrum and then he'll give

you his hand to pick you up. It's just bizarre, you know, and they've got studs on the bottom of those shoes, you know, it's not good. Yeah. So, you know, and you don't wear cricket as well. I really didn't. I didn't like that. Badminton? No. No. No. No, just rugby. Rugger? Rugger. Exactly. And, you know, you don't wear any pads.

When you're like 12, it's scary when you're a small guy and you're the last line of defense as I was and fast at fullback or wing. And, you know, at 12 12 the differences between certain you know nations because there'd be schools from from tonga and samoa and new zealand they're like big gnarly guys and some of them definitely weren't 12 they'd like reset a few years oh really they sandbagged yeah yeah oh yeah man they sandbag and they were just checking id no no one's checking id back then yeah but literally you know they would they would pollax you and pick you up So you'd have all these and then the pro there weren't it wasn't a professional game back in the 80s and you would have these They'd have real jobs like they were lawyers, you know, because they were posh that you'd only played it in a posh school

This doesn't happen in Sheffield. No, it doesn't know and Suddenly, you know, you'd know he's a rugby player because he's missing teeth. Missing teeth. He's a lawyer with missing teeth. But drinking 12 pipes. Or like black eyes. Yeah. Cabbage ears. Yeah, cabbage ears. Cauliflower. You guys call them cabbage ears? Yeah, we call them cabbage ears. What do you call them? Cauliflower ears? Yeah.

That's cabbage ears. Let me see your ears under those headphones. No, he's got good ones. He wears headgear. Yeah, I wear headgear when I do jiu-jitsu. I have a little a little bit of tell me about your martial arts background i mean i remember seeing you on these ufc fights like you know go around to my buddies and watch and i remember seeing you on fear factor and i've heard all about these black belts but i don't really know the your story i started martial arts when i was a little kid where'd you grow up i grew up in boston mostly bean town right fighting aroundantown. Going back there next weekend. It's gonna be zero,

minus one right now I think it is there. I've got a buddy that used to run a store there called Alston B in Alston. Okay, Alston's a great place. Yeah and then he moved it to Newbury Street. My buddy Craig and I owns all the G-Star stores. Yeah, Newbury Street's like the heart of fashion, Newbury Comics. We used to sell our store, actually, Newbury Comics. So you grew up in Beantown. Yeah. With Marky Mark? I don't know Marky Mark.

You don't know the wall builders? Did you know the Funky Bunch? I didn't know the Funky Bunch either. You didn't know the Funky Bunch. Were you a Southie? Southie, right? No, I worked in Southie. I used to teach.

I used to be one of the trainers at the Boston Athletic Club. I actually got to, do you know Bobby Orris, famous hockey player? How dare you? Neither one of you fucks. What's hockey? Oh, we have hockey, but it's not on ice. What is the boxer that Marky Mark portrayed in that film that was Boston's sort of hero? Oh, that's Mickey Ward.

Mickey Ward. Yeah, who's an excellent boxer. So I worked in South Boston at this place called the Boston Athletic Club. How old were you then? I was probably 19. I got to meet Bobby Orr. How old were you when you got into martial arts? Oh, martial arts.

I started fighting when I was 15. That's when I got, like, really into it. And I was fighting in the men's divisions when I was 16. Kicking ass? I was doing well. Were you a street fighter before that? No, no. I wasn't really, uh, you know, I was scared more than I was, like, aggressive and mean.

I get into martial arts because I was worried about, you know, people kicking my ass. I just didn't know how to fight. So I figured I got to learn how to fight. I'm tired of being scared of everybody. So I was a four-time Massachusetts state taekwondo champion. I won that four years in a row. I won the U.S. Open. I won a bunch of national tournaments row. I won the U.S. Open. I won a bunch of national tournaments.

Then I started kickboxing. But I started doing that as I was doing stand-up comedy. And I stopped competing. How did you get into stand-up? Were you just a funny kid in the neighborhood? My friends talked me into it. Guys that I used to train with, actually. My friend Steve Graham, who I'm still buddies with to this day.

So it wasn't like you failed the New Kids on the block audition and figured I'll go to stand I didn't even think I was funny I thought they thought I was funny because they were my friend but other people were just gonna think I was an asshole because my Sense of humor was they just laughing because he thought you'd kick their ass or you know I would do impressions of our friends like having sex or doing weird shit You know, I was a good at impression so I would do these impressions of people that we knew and I would make people laugh in the

locker room and my friend Steve was like, you should really be a fucking comedian. I was like, look, you think I'm funny because you know me. I think there's a joke there we just missed. He made him laugh in the locker room. How do we not pick up on that? Well, we're getting ready to fight. We're getting ready to talk. That's what you were thinking.

Gallows humor is what it was. Everybody was nervous and I would be the ice thinking. It was gallows humor is what it was, essentially. Everybody was nervous, and I would be the icebreaker because we would have sparring days, like especially on Saturday. Saturday was a scary day because we would do what we called team training. And team training was all the black belts would get together,

and they would pad up, and we would do these really long training sessions, and they were brutal. And everybody would shit their pants in the locker room, so I would be making everybody laugh. I would be like the icebreaker. That must be, I don't know what's scarier, like a fight or a stand-up.

I mean, both of them. Fighting's way scarier. Well, physically, but I mean. Yeah, it's way scarier in all the above. The losses are way more devastating. Give me the Joe Rogan story past that point, though. So we're in Boston, we're still fighting. I start doing stand-up comedy I stopped competing um somewhere around 97 which is several years later I'm still

training doing like various martial arts are you in LA now or are you still back there I got into LA in 94 okay 96 I started doing jiu-jitsu so 97 97 I started working for the UFC, and then I got really into jiu-jitsu then. So from 96 to today, I've been doing two different types of jiu-jitsu, gi and no-gi, gi meaning with what they call kimono, which is like a karate uniform, looks like but thicker. A jumper.

Yeah, you throw people around with that, you can grab it, you can choke them with it, you can use it more, it's almost like a weapon. You can grab it. You can choke them with it. You could use it more. It's almost like a weapon. And then no gi, which is essentially just clothes. You don't grab people's clothes. No clothes. You're wearing like a skin-tight rash guard.

And it's all about wrestling techniques, like underhooks and overhooks and submission holds and stuff like that. So you're still fighting today? I still know. I just train. I mean, I don't fight. Fighting, you know, competing is a very different thing, obviously. I i mean you're competing in the gymnasium you go and you're sparring i mean you're going 100 you're trying to choke each other uh but there's a big difference between that and going into competition i i'm of the opinion that especially fighting like mma

you should not do that unless that's all you're doing yeah i think time is over right it should be. Part time is over, right? It should be 100% of your focus because if it's not, you're going to run into someone and it is 100% of their focus. And they're going to get fucked up. They're going to fuck you up. I often say if you're out for a real spirited drive or you're on the track, if you're not 100% focused, you shouldn't be there. Yeah. Don't be texting when you're on race track. So when did MMA and UFC sort of really explode and take over the thunder of boxing? Was that ten years ago, five years ago?

About ten years ago it took off because of The Ultimate Fighter. That was 2005. When I came along in 97, I was the post-fight interviewer. This was like long before it was big. We used to fly into places like Dothan, Alabama and do these shows, these little high school gymnasiums. What is UFC on now? Fight number, if you watch it on TV. We just hit UFC 182.

So the next one's 183, I believe, which is a lot of events. But you've been with them since Fight 1? No, 12. I came along in UFC 12. But I only worked for them for two years. It was a different organization. Different people owned it. Worked for them for two years, and then

it was just getting too crazy. They were from cable it was really like more of a blood sport image like people didn't understand what it was no it had rules but it was just the the the public perception of it like i would tell people that i worked with that i was going they thought it was some youtube backyard brawl fighting it was like i was doing porn that was the attitude they're like why are you doing that like what are you gonna ruin your career but today 183 fights later different today's much different much different I started working for the UFC again at UFC 37 and a half which was in 2002 and you've done them all since then to most of them most of the pay-per-views but there's so many

events now I can't do them all like there's Fox Sports one events which most of I'm doing the one next weekend, but most of those I don't do and then there's funny does those right? And sometimes Kenny doesn't he's going back and forth about Porsches with me on on on the crazy guys that I'm sort of Loosely sort of seeing visually that were involved with what was guys named Dana something away. Yeah. Yeah He's the president of UFC and they were from well, what was the guy's name? Dana something? Dana White. Yeah, he's the president of UFC. And they were from, were they Huntington Beach guys? No, Dana's from Boston. So you knew him back in the day?

No, I didn't know him until 2002. I met him when I was doing Fear Factor. Okay. Now when did Fear Factor start? 2002, I think. 2001, 2002, somewhere around there. How'd you go from being this Bostonian martial arts comedian guy to Fairfax? How does that was on a sitcom before that?

I was on a sitcom on NBC called news radio Okay, and that was on for five years in the 90s So did you come out to LA to do the acting stand-up? Um, I came out to LA for another show called hardball that was on Fox that was cancelled I got hired to do that. It show was that? It was a baseball show. Like a sitcom about baseball. Okay. That was canceled after like six episodes. And I was out here.

I'd already leased an apartment for a year. So I was like, ah, fuck, I'm stuck here for a while. I wanted to go back to New York. Was this a bit like Swingers, one of my all-time favorite Vince Vaughn movies? In what way? You know, just people coming out to L.A. to pursue acting and, you know, the hard life of Swingers.

Did you wear a Mickey Mouse suit? Did you wear a Mickey Mouse suit? I'd have killed for that role. There was a lot of that going on. You know, just people coming out to L.A. to pursue acting and, you know, the hard life of swingers. Did you wear a Mickey Mouse suit? I'd have killed for that role. There was a lot of that going on. You know, that skinny Vince Vaughn. You look at Vince Vaughn in swingers and you look at Vince Vaughn today. It's John Favreau. A lot of booze.

Yeah, what happened there? A lot of food. Living a good life. A lot of miles. A lot of miles. So how did you fall into Fear Factor? How does that? I was the same casting director that worked with nbc for uh

news radio he just brought me in they were mostly interviewing like sports announcers and people they wanted to be like serious and when i came in for the audition i was actually mocking it i was laughing at it and they thought it was terrible for the job because i was mocking it and then somehow they realized like look if we don't mark it someone else Better to have our own guy mock it as it's happening. Can I just take a slash? Yeah, go ahead I just thought it was ridiculous. You know, I thought you're gonna sick dogs on people This is the most ridiculous show idea of all time only that show room for it You seem like six years 148 episodes and then we came back and did another seven until we did an episode where people had a drink Come they had a drink donkey cum.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. And that's what got it canceled. Uh-oh. TMZ found out about it. They put the images of this fucking giant beer stein of donkey cum and the public outrage was... But NBC was fine with it. They had greenlit it. They said that we could have the people drink cum.

Yeah, how bad can it be? Well, you know what, man? These people, everyone wants to push the envelope. Yeah, where do you go next? They keep pushing and pushing and pushing until finally they don't even realize how far they've crossed the line until other people react to it. Yeah, reality's blurred. Well, I was telling them not to do it. I mean, when I'm telling you that it's a bad idea. Yeah, you know there's something wrong here.

Yeah. There was two times when we did that show where I told people don't do it. What was the other one? Bull riding. Yeah, they made people ride bulls and i said this is a fucking bad idea man because you're dealing with an uncontrollable environment you're dealing with an animal yeah you know i don't care if you think it's tame that's not tame it's a bull just because you corralled it and you figured out a way to rope it or put it in a cage that's not a tame thing yeah a tame is a cat you go to a to a kitty cat and you pet it, it purrs,

it knows you're a person. The cat's got claws, yeah. It rubs up against your leg. That's a tame animal. A dog's a tame animal. Bulls are never fucking tame. Yeah, that's gonna... They will always fuck you up.

You know, bulls never come up to you to get pet, you know? They'll fucking stick their horn right up your ass and launch you over the top of the arena. They don't give a shit, you know? I mean, we've all seen those images yeah of a bull gorgeous um the one where it goes through the guy's chin and out his mouth yeah it's like that is in my mind why you should never bullfight like that or run with the bulls either oh that's the most ridiculous thing the thrill they say the thrill of running with the bulls like the are you talking about man? Not my thing.

You got animals with testosterone and giant balls and they're angry and they're running down these wet blood and fucking beer soaked streets everything's cobblestone and slippery and you're running to get away from these fucking bulls. It's so stupid. Oh yeah. I've been to that the running of the bulls. You've done that? No I haven't done it.

I've seen it. Why did they do it? I thought that might have been one of the concussions. Actually, no. You've got a lot of stories, this guy. You've actually had a, well, I've got a couple of podcasts lined up. There's a doctor that's on there. Dan told me about it because he heard him, but he's very into concussions and things.

Dr. Rhonda Patrick. That's him. Yeah. No, her. Rhonda Patrick. That's him. No, her. Her, sorry. Rhonda him. She's been on the show? Well, Rhonda. You know Rhonda, man. We talked about transvestites earlier.

Well, no, she's a woman. But I took her to a UFC, and her husband, he's a fan of it, and I don't think she had ever watched it before. Actually, I don't know. Does Dan? I don't know if he was a fan. But anyway, I invited them because they live in Northern California. So they came to the UFC, and it was the first time

she had ever seen it. She literally had no idea what it was all about. And after it was over, she was like, oh, my God. And then she went, like, deep on the show into the dangers of head trauma and all that's going on. Seems to be a lot of it. Yeah, I think, was that the one that I was at where Anthony Johnson knocked out, um, what's his name? Little Nog. Yeah, yeah. Yeah was that the one that i was at where anthony johnson knocked uh out um

little nog yeah yeah that was brutal and i felt no gary yeah i felt yeah that was that was that's probably the headache the next day oh probably still probably still to this day he probably gets up oh if you saw that i mean it was it was actually uncomfortable i wish they'd stopped it sooner but yeah well it was a one round knockout it was pretty quick i mean but it was actually uncomfortable. I wish they'd stopped it sooner, but yeah. Well, it was a one-round knockout. I mean, it was pretty quick. But it was just... He tagged him a couple times and put him away. Yeah, Johnson's fighting for the number one title contention not next weekend, but the weekend after that in Sweden. Who's the big top dog guy now?

Jon Jones is number one. Just tested positive for cocaine. Oops. Oopsie-daisy. Oopsie. Entered into rehab. People like to party. He's an amazing fighter, though.

He's an amazing fighter. He has a crazy reach. Pretty arguably the best ever at this point in time. He's only 27. Wow. My favorite, though, is Nick Diaz. I love that guy. Nick Diaz fighting in a couple weeks.

That's right. Fighting January 30th in Vegas. Against Anderson Silva. Yeah. That's crazy. Is it 30th or 31st? I don't remember that name. Nick Diaz is is he's just like

got personality well no no no he's from stockton i don't think so dude ah no no but he's awesome to watch fight and he just does it like nobody else people from stockton can't be portion guys of course they can they just can't park them in front of their house and then sleep yeah sleep one with the next day Yeah, everything will be gone. Out the window. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's just a good dude. Yeah, that's the problem with things like Porsche.

Like, I posted an image of your car yesterday, and somebody wrote in the comments of Instagram, you know, I hate Porsche guys. They're all show-offs. Like, how hilarious is that? They're all of them? Yeah, every single one. Every single one, yeah. But it's like it disqualifies you from ever owning one because you'll be a douche like you can't just enjoy the engineering

Right you can't even if he was just by yourself There was no one around you didn't tell anybody you had a Porsche You took the engine the car cover off it and just drove it around deserted road and enjoy the shit out of it You can't do it some people's views. Well, look at him. I mean, I thought he was a rocker Yeah, hey looks at he's even right? Yeah, but some people's views. Well, look at him. I mean, I thought he was a rocker. Yeah, he looks so deceiving, right? Yeah. But some people, they automatically...

There's just my male husband. Some people automatically associate cars like Porsches or Ferraris. Yeah, for sure. Well, we touched base on it a little bit earlier on, especially here in L.A. Yeah.

It's an image thing. Yeah, you know, sometimes these Porsches don't leave that beveled zip code. You know, you go, you ever take it to the track? No, I don't want to get it chipped up. I did see a guy in an Aston Martin Rapide, and he was definitely an agent.

Definitely an agent. Hey, it is Hollywood, right? It's a movie town. I mean, he was looking at his phone, and he was on a Bluetooth. But you do that. Yeah, but not, well. Maybe you're an agent. In bed and on the toilet.

I do it on the toilet. Well, there's a lot of agents here so it's probably it is and it was like that time of the day where you know it's like we should be at work but you're not it's not lunchtime so yeah he's doing the meeting in a meeting well there's image cars and you know the the big ones are of course ferraris a big image car you know that's like the probably the most obnoxious of all of them in a lot of people's eyes lamborghini's a big one yeah they're so they're outrageous and i think there's a one too for like the jeremy clarkson always says you know like m3 drivers are constantly on bluetooth and that's the

big thing you know well that's jeremy clarkson i don't know but he hates porsches talking of images though you know i tell this story all the time i think anyone growing up anywhere in the world in the 70s or 80s chances are if you you're a car guy, you had a choice of one of three posters. Porsche Turbo, Lamborghini Countach, and probably a Ferrari 512 Boxer or a Testarossa. I had the BMW M1. No way. I had that on my wall. The Alpina one?

Yeah. That was a cool car, man. How old were you? 47. Oh, the same age. Yeah, I had that on my wall. I didn't have the M Yeah, I had that I Had like a model of it and it was a BASF remember that company they used to make

Tape basically. Well, that was a cool car the BMW BASF tape car I remember you pull that up dude since you had that pull up the BASF Look at that and you'll be like that's a cool. That was a space-age car But I look at it now looks like a you know, that's a cool place. I remember that was a space-age car back in the day, but I look at it now, it looks like a piece of... Oh, you see those cars racing there? Yeah, the Historics. Unbelievable. I saw the old-time GP at Nürburgring. Like 25 of them rolling around the F1 track. That's the BASF.

Yeah. Look at that thing. I had that. My mom gave it away to someone when I left home. How great is that? I was like, thanks a lot, Mom. I can't find that. Look at that, right?

And you know what? And BASF is literally, you know, it's tape. You know, the tape for... Remember Sony Walkman? Oh, really? That's what I mean by tape, you know. I like the fender flares on that thing. Dude, you love fenders, don't you?

Yeah, I'm a big fan of, like, one of the things I love about, like, Jack Olsen's cars. Giant wide-body fender flares. I love those. I love that car. See, to me, that's the evolution of it. I spoke earlier on about liking the 2002 TII, 3.0 CSL Batmobile. That, to me, is the evolution of that. Do you like the 993 Ninemeister, that RSR that they built? I like those wide body cars. People always ask me, do I like RWB?

I'm a big RWB fan. I don't like those. Really? I get as far as the Ninemeister, the RS RSR, which is essentially the GT2 body kit. Dude, GT2 with the bolt-on flares. Yeah, there's an image for the 993 RSR. Yeah, if you find a 993. That's a fucking beautiful car, man.

Look at the ass end of that thing. Click on that one that you just had, Jamie. Or get a white one so you can see the bolted-on flares. Yeah, white one, gold wheels. Yeah, that's actually not even it, Jamie. Click on the other one that you just hovered above. That right there, yeah. That's the one that has the bolt on flares.

That's a fucking beautiful ass right there. That's Jennifer Lopez to me. Bam! But also it's got Ronda Rousey on it too. Well, hold on, that has wide ass fucking tires too, man. It's got like, it's got fight in it, you know? That thing's... Pull up my STR and we'll see what Joe thinks to that.

Just punching Magnus Walker STR or something like that. Well, I've seen that car. I love that car. I love the back end of it. I saw that car in person when we visited you. Click that speed hunters thing. Well, there's Tiff Nadell driving it there, but just go to the top. Oh, there's a video of Tiff Nadell?

Yeah, Tiff Nadell. You never saw that on fifth gear? Tiff driving it? Look at that car, dude. So just go to the top. Oh, there's a video of Tiff Nadell? Yeah, Tiff Nadell. Pull that up. I saw it on Fifth Gear, Tiff driving it. Look at that car, dude. So go back to the, remember I spoke earlier on about doing something with Tiff Nadell, that's it right there for his Fifth Gear. Oh, let's see that, man. Let me see that.

For appropriate audiences. Oh, here we go. In the studio. Your car was not overly horsepower either. I mean, it was fairly reasonable. A short stroke 3.2, it was fairly reasonable. Is Tiff Nadell pulling into your driver with that horrible piece of shit? Yeah, Tiff and I drive it from downtown all the way up to the Snake. And then if you fast forward it a bit.

What was that truck that pulled in? Was that his truck? No, that was, you know, Jonathan Ward from Icon does the derelicts. Oh, that's his? That's his. Oh, wow. Have you met him, Jonathan Ward? No, no.

Oh, cool, dude. You've got to get him on the show. Well, we were talking about those cars that he makes yesterday, that Bronco that he makes. Oh, yeah, the Icon thing. And he makes those old cars, and they look like old shit boxes, but they have incredible suspensions. Well, yeah, that's his derelicts where he finds those old beat-up patinaed shells and everything underneath is new mechanical. Yeah, but he doesn't do anything to the outside of it. No, that's what's cool about it.

So here's Tiff working it. What is he saying here? He's saying, I'm looking for Ronin. No, that's what's cool about it. So here's Tiff working it. What is he saying here? He's saying, I'm looking for Ronin. He's saying, where's that GT2? So this is sort of the inspiration for Alex's short works GT2 right there a little bit. And how fast is this car? I mean, how many horsepower is this car that he's driving here? 275.

And it probably weighs 2,000 pounds, right? 2250. So all steel, no fiberglass on it. Ah, well, if you wanted to get it lower, you'd have to go fiberglass on it yeah ah well if you wanted to get it lower you'd have to go fiberglass and how much lower could you get it yeah not well you could go under 2000 which is magic but could you really yeah oh my god why didn't you you pretty much just have a steel you know you like the steel yeah so the only reason why to go all fiberglass would be just for the weight but yeah now you go carbon but that stuff just cracks i mean i've had you know fiberglass fenders before on wide body you know old 911s and then it be just for the weight. Yeah, now you go carbon fiber. But that stuff just cracks. I mean, I've had fiberglass fenders before on wide-body,

you know, old 911s, and then it's just not the same. It cracks. That looks so exciting. This is the car that I sold at the Gooding auction at the 50th anniversary at Pebble Beach. How dare you? Do you miss it? Well, here's the great thing about it. I have visitation rights to it.

It now resides in what I think is the greatest Porsche collection in the country in Durham, North Carolina. I love those Prototipo steering wheels, those old school Momo steering Yeah, that's an old fat Momo right there. Oh, those are the best. Yeah, I've actually driven this car three or four times in the past year. Really? Yeah, North Carolina. I drove it down to Fort Bragg and then in Monterey, I shot a video with Patrick Long and this up in Monterey. Wow. So it's cool that I... Well, if you wreck it, do you have to build him a new one?

I didn't wreck it. I mean, come on, who thinks about that? But if you do... Yeah, sure, I'd take care of it. But thankfully, I know my limitations on the road and I never push above and beyond them. Now what about... Looks like it's got a red bumper. Yeah, red bumper.

That's an inside joke. Yeah, see, red bumper right there. Red bumper. Now what about... This car doesn't have any spoiler in the back? There's nothing. It's just flat in the back. Just flat. Does that become an issue with speed? Maybe if you're at Willow Springs going through Turn 8 flat out at like $1.35, $1.40 maybe, but on the street, no.

Doesn't make any difference at all? Not on the street. Like a ducktail wouldn't aid it in any way? I mean, let's say you're on a freeway on a sweeper doing 125, 130 miles an hour. Yeah, maybe then. But it's still fun sort of having that rear end move around a little bit. And that's okay. When you need to do that, you can do it in the water-cooled 4.1 with the big off-limits.

This guy is relentless in his pursuit to get you to accept the water-cooled car. One interesting little point. The guy that shot these photos for Speed Hunters, Sean Klingenhofer, we're actually going to be doing a photo shoot with him in about an hour in downtown LA. Oh, really? Yeah. We're meeting him at 3. So how cool is that?

That was the inspiration for our car. And I'm having the same guy shoot it. And now he's having the same guy shoot it in the same spot. Oh, that's amazing. So that's the 72 911 right there. And does the louvered deck lid like that, does that have any function? It adds cooling, obviously. It adds style, but obviously air is coming out of it.

Yeah, so it's full man function. I mean, have you seen his new, well, it's not even finished. It was like one of the coolest talked about cars at SEMA this year. Have you seen the one with the louvered flares? Was that the mobile one booth? Yeah, two years ago. Where can I see that? Is it online? Yeah, you can see what's it what could they look up what would

jamie look in 67 str let me briefly tell you my sema story i'm sure you're familiar with magnus walker 67 str yeah just go images punching magnus walker 67 srt srt srt srt magnus walker yeah just put magnus oh, top down right there. Click that one on the left. So let me tell you my Mobile One story real briefly, or my SEMA story. Two years ago, I snuck into SEMA on someone else's pass. And if you go back to that, this year I got invited by Mobile One to display two cars in their booth, which had three cars. The other one was a pro-touring sort of 67 Camaro.

But that's just how crazy my life had become in the past two years, from sneaking into the SEMA show in Vegas, which is the biggest sort of aftermarket specialty equipment show, to being invited by Mobile One. All from one documentary. Yeah, I never thought that. None of this has been scripted. There's no PR person behind.

It's me and an iPhone saying that's what I enjoy No, right your shop we met the way we met is my friend Todd Todd Messero Who is the producer of my show on sci-fi? Todd is a Porsche guy owns a 993 loves loves Porsches and we were talking about you I showed him the the video we've gone back and forth and he goes you know we're gonna be in downtown next week like let's contact magnus let's go see if we could see his shop so he called you you answered you know and then you guys had a conversation and we after we shot we just drove down and hung out with magnus for a couple hours i emailed him right before the jay leno show and right after and i said is it still okay to come

right and he's like, yeah, yeah. It was like Friday at 9 p.m. I arrived there. The gate opens. And my wife was real happy. His wife was real happy. And then he's like, oh, cool, man. I was just reading about it on the cover, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, all right, we'll go for a ride.

Yeah, yeah, let me drive it. So I hear him wailing around. Well, not wailing, just putting around. Yeah, putting around sorry yeah putting around in the 4.1 gt3 rs and dan who's in the passenger seat you know he's telling me later yeah he's going like uh yeah just just one more lap just one more lap just one more lap and right before he got in the car right before he gets in the car sorry he's gonna throw you under the bus a bit he's talking to his wife karen and going oh i've just got some stragglers in that the last

ones of the day i swear i'm just kicking them out right now you know just kicking them out i'm kicking them out i swear i'm coming over right and 70 freaking laps later i gotta throw out uh props to my wife karen i've been with her for over 20 years and uh yeah that's why i'm the luckiest guy in the world is i've got first of all she's beautiful She's my Georgia peach and she just allows me to be this crazy fool sort of you know Enjoying my life, but uh without her. I don't think we'd be here today, so yeah, you're not henpecked That's what you're trying to say. I'm just saying I love my wife, and she's super supportive My wife my wife for my birthday before I even had a shop Dude, my wife, for my birthday, before I even had a shop, this is what she got me. It was a set of the first Brembo GTR brakes that I could put on my really fast turbo.

And she helped me install nitrous lines when I was, you know, drag racing it. That's the key for right there. That's fucking badass. And she makes video games. Is there another way to take those naturally aspirated engines and get them anywhere near as powerful as that 800 horsepower that you have in that GT2? Is there a way? I mean, have we reached the limitations? I mean, the limitations essentially on the air-cooled cars, it gets up to like 450.

And it's like, didn't Nimeister get, they got a 993 engine up to like 450 horsepower? I mean, it's really pushing a round thing through a square peg you know it or whatever the freaking thing is i don't think you need 800 horsepower with an early uh all the electronics yeah i'm not asking whether or not you need it i'm saying is it possible i mean have you i don't think you can get 800 but they're gonna i'm not out of a naturally aspect i'm not talking about an early car I'm talking about like oh did you look your car that the four point one you got up to five sixty? Yeah, like what is the limitation is that it um so? That's an interesting question so you can make more, but what's the delivery of more so?

We probably yeah, we could we could you know bore and stroke it out to four point whatever we want What I mean, how much? 4.34. Really? It's being looked at and the math's being done. The problem is, and we've tried certain things. We've tried. What happens is the pistons get larger.

They get heavier. Then it stops feeling like a GT3 and feels like a sloppy V8 or shitty V8. You know what I mean? Oh, because there's more weight in the back. Yeah. How much more weight would it be? I mean, think about heavier pistons and v8 you know what i mean oh because there's more weight in the back yeah well there's more weight you know i mean think about heavier pistons balance you know okay i mean you can add more displacement but how are you going to do that there's cost involved in terms of more weight more weight is the enemy in a gt3 just go get a muscle car yeah exactly you want to be revving

part of the thing with that 4.1 is that i thought it was still a gt3 like you get in it and it's like it's still related like it's related to your 39 oh yeah right for sure um it's not like the gt2 so you could technically make a big you know i mean the gt2 doesn't rev the same way you know it feels heavy it's got heavier stronger components in it i think joe needs to drive 277 i do i do i'm pissed it's raining i think you need to drive you do. I do. I do. I'm pissed that it's raining. I think you need to drive that. You do. And then you probably need an early car in your stable, I think. And that way you can sort of see how the less is more lightweight,

smaller displacement, work a little bit harder approach to getting the thrill out of driving is. And then you'll probably have the best of both worlds. Mentor me, Magnus Walker. Help me. Hey, we'll just go for a drive. That's all we're gonna do. We talked a lot about that. We talked about, Alex and I actually talked about him building me a 964.

We talked about that. Oh, that's a thing I want to build, a lightweight 964 RS-inspired car. You've come to the right intersection. How light can you get one of those? They start out pretty heavy. They're actually heavier than a 993. Really? Why is that? Just the time period, you know? They start out pretty heavy. They're actually heavier than a 993. Really? Mm-hmm. Why is that? Just the time period, you know?

They got heavier and heavier. So a lot of people, they were sort of hated on a bit. Now they're really popular because they looked kind of awkward. They're in a weird middle stage. Yeah. It's like the end of the road for the early styling, moving into the 993. Porsche guys are fickle, aren't we?

964 was the unloved 911. I mean, you could find them all day long under 20 grand, but not anymore. Those days, the tables have turned. Technology was different than lack of it, I should say. Yeah, it was just heavier. Well, Pistonheads featured this really, really nice one recently, a white one that was really radical. Look at you, Pistonheads.

I'm impressed, dude. I'm impressed. You're bringing out the English flag. I got a computer. He's an anglophile. Yeah he is. Is that what we call him? Well that one that they did do though, that one 964 was very nice.

Sexy. Really lightweight. I think the license plate said growler or something like that. The thing that sucks though, and this is the bad stuff. That's my buddy's car. Alex Bermuda's car, the white one. Have you driven that car? Yes i have what's it like a great car story with alex punching alex bermuda's because i got him into the porscher owner club and now he's become a red 964 growler pull up growler oh yeah i'll just punch in alex bermuda's that's it there you go there it is oh the back one yeah he's a local guy that That's it, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, is that your wall? No. I thought it was. I'm just kidding. Alex is a cool guy. I was his first driving instructor with a Porsche owner club, and he runs a spec box to run. My buddy Tyson Schmidt that used to work at TRE built that car,

and then Alex bought it from him and did his own customization. What's that like to drive? Is it like one of your lightweight cars cars or feels like 277 pumped up these sort of these stepping stones to me That's the in between 277 and the gt3 3.9, but is as tactile as yeah 77 the whole deal the thing that really sucks Oh, it's fast. I think a lot of those cool cars never really made it here like the RS isn't it? They had like an RS America, but it's not the same. You know, we had the one with the big fuck-off wing on the back, you know, plexiglass windows,

and, you know... Sort of... Yeah. It's a shame, in a sense, that the States never gets a lot of these great cars. You know, the 73 RS never really officially came in here. And is that because of safety regulations? And they don't want to crash them, I guess, or whatever. Yeah. Not everyone's Bill Gates, or he doesn't want one, maybe.

Yeah. Well, this is a really interesting conversation, and a lot of people probably are ignorant to the joys of these lightweight, exciting cars like what you have, and certainly to what you're building, these extreme versions of the the race bred 911s you know they're they're fascinating cars it's and it's it's a group of people that enjoy them that it generates such incredible loyalty and passion you know it's it's really unlike most cars in that sense yeah well we i mean you hadn't even i'd not even met you and the first

phone call we pretty much had like i was like man he gets it you you rattled off all this stuff about gt3s you know and because you had the 2010 and i'd had it so i'd had that connection and yeah you'd watch the video and i pretty much you know we just kind of riffed for like an hour or so after work you literally shipped him a brand new car that was yeah he didn't even see me video that's it i gotta go back and see this video well that video of the the green the kermit you've never seen that video uh no i'm gonna go do. I'm going to go do my homework. Throw that bitch out. 3.9 GT3 Kermit. Bear in mind, it was done on her Avid station back before we had high def cameras.

Hey, it didn't matter. Got Joe interested. Doesn't matter, man. Throw up the video. Look at that sick bitch. Yeah, Porsche versus Ferrari. That's a good one. We'll see it.

It smokes this, not even a stock 458. It's a 458 that's been modified, right? It's a 430. Yeah, this was on battle. It was a 430 that's been modified. Yeah, this was on battery That's the that's the new one. Yeah, this was back at Beale air. They shut down. This is how great is America They shut down Beale Air Force Base so that we could film a TV show with Tanner Faust and Paul Tracy Yeah, and it was What is she holding that with an iPhone? No, no, she's not no no no no No, she's doing the editing. I'm doing the the she's not driving Tanner and Tanner's Tanner's driving the green car and Paul

Tracy's driving that one. Look at that fucking wheel spin off that baby. That's your car, baby Just a green version of well talking of Tanner. I just saw you post on Instagram that he's liking the GT2. Yeah, yeah So drive that thing. No. Yeah. Yeah, he's got an invitation. That's the guy you want driving that fucking thing. That's Yeah, Chris, mad man and Chris Harris. Did you ever see that? Yeah. And Chris Harris, Jim, but Tanner Fowles is a real race car. No, I cool. With him. Yeah, he's, he's also Yeah, a lot of people don't sort of give him credit. But you know, because he's a drift boy or whatever. But he beat, like, Michael Schumacher, you know, in the Race of Champions. And I've driven with him, like, on the track in my cars that I've built. And I didn't even know they could go that fast.

I didn't know that he wasn't going to use any brakes. I mean, he's an animal, dude. Doesn't he use brakes? Just lightly, just to set the car up. That's it. Get some front end balance. Yeah, exactly. I was just like, you're coming in really fast.

There's a wall right there. And he says, yeah, that's really close, you know, as he's it. Get some front end balance. Yeah, exactly. I was just like, you're coming in really fast. There's a wall right there. And he says, yeah, that's really close, you know, as he's turning. And he just lightly taps it. And we're flying around. Well, he compresses the suspension so much at the hairpin of Sears Point. And this was for Speed Channel. That the front lip that I had on there, literally, it touched it and it exploded. It shattered.

We thought, like, we blew a tire. had on there literally it touched it and it exploded it shattered went we thought like we blew a tire and the guy that owns the track says oh i've seen that a couple of times on uh you know the cup cars compression you know and he's doing that on our street car yeah just compression how could that be avoided can you not avoid that raise it not go quite as fast you're not have tanner faust drive i don't know have you ever seen the video on top gear the u.s version where he's taking this corvette Z06 around this industrial area? Yeah, that was one of the early ones. Holy shit is it wild. He's a stud.

Oh, he's an animal the way that guy drives. He knows what the fuck he's doing. It's so like precise and surgical the way he's taking corners. On that TV show, it was called Battle of the Supercars. It wasn't the world's greatest show, but like I said, they shut down a stealth, you know, that's where they fly all the UAVs that kill all the terrorists. That's where they operate. It's Beale Air Force Base. Like, we weren't even allowed to look in certain directions, and there were lines with people

with guns that would shoot you. They would shoot you if you looked? Don't look. Don't even look. I don't know, dude. Don't look or don't cross. Don't step over this line. It's a flag for the drama, have you noticed?

A little bit. Yeah, no, well no, I got to drive the car with a U2 spy plane taking off and I was like the touch and go car, basically. And he's like, don't get any closer or it'll burn your fucking paint off. Yeah, I would imagine, right? Those jet engines? Yeah, that's a badass little ride there. Gentlemen, we're out of time, but this has been a lot of fun. It's been emotional. Yes, and people need to watch your documentary.

If they haven't seen it, it's Urban Outlaw. It's available on Vimeo. It's beautiful. It's magnificent. You're going to want to buy a Porsche. If you do want to buy a Porsche and you want to get crazy, if you want to get a GT3, send it to this guy. Fuck it. You only live once. If you can afford to,

send it to Shark Works. How bad can it be, right? Juice that bitch up and that's You'll be flying in no time. Thank you gentlemen. Really appreciate it fun Magnus Walker's on Instagram shark works on Instagram and shark works Werks on Twitter and Instagram gentlemen always pleasure good times get that fucking shark get out and drive get out there we go rock on oh okay that's a wrap thanks three hours went pretty quick right there