The Joe Rogan Experience - #621 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: March 7, 2015

Aubrey Marcus is writer, entrepreneur, and adventurer. Some of his writings and experiences can be found on his website as well as links to his latest venture, Onnit Labs.

Weirdos like zone healers or fucking freaks who are doing strange things that really relies on someone believing in it. And if someone does believe in it then the placebo effect does kind of has some effect. But you don't want to rely on that fucking thing. It's nice to know that there's actually some shit going on not just you know I think I feel it. Yeah right. The big one for me has always been forming sentences. Cause obviously I talk for a living. I talk for a living, form sentences for a living. And my ability to recall words and to pull words up instantaneously is critical when

dealing with hecklers at a comedy club, when recalling material, when recalling techniques or going over techniques during a UFC card, when, you know, trying to reference something during a podcast. Like that's so giant, man. For most people. For everything. When you're talking to a girl, when you're in a business meeting, when you're in an interview and you're just out hanging out, it's nice to be able to not go, oh, you know, and have to think about those dull moments.

You know, we've all had those dull moments when you just woke up, when someone's talking to you on the phone and you're,'re, you know, it's that thing. I do those fucking radio interviews sometimes, man. And a lot of times I do these radio tours. I start at like 6 o'clock in the morning when I wake up, like for UFCs and stuff like that. I have to call up all these different radio stations. And for the first 40 minutes, I'm a fucking moron, man. It's like it's so hard to fire up.

And it's like that's one thing that's like it's so hard to fire up yeah and it's like that's one thing that's like it's so critical to highlight your brain is not at a static state it's just not it's constantly moving and flowing and what things like alpha brain can do along with of course meditation proper thinking techniques how to manage your consciousness, managing your mind. They can get you or keep you in a more positive frequency, a better vibration, a better RPM, quicker RPM than you would be normally. A better frequency for what you're trying to do. I mean, you're dragging yourself out of sleep, which is theta state, which is really low, and sometimes delta state if you're a really good sleeper, which is at the very bottom part of the frequency. And you're trying to drag yourself back out to that without, you know, and getting in the optimal frequency.

It's tough. But, yeah, these things can, and we've shown it now with these studies, help get you in that optimal brainwave frequency, which is pretty rad. It's very exciting. And the Boston Center for Memory, they tried a bunch of different shit this year that didn't do anything. Yeah, so AlphaBrain broke a streak of 14 straight clinical trials from both pharmaceuticals and nutraceuticals that showed zero results. So when they came back with the results, they were like pretty surprised and pretty stoked because they're used to just doing these trials and they report every single one. If it came back negative, they'd run the report, and they're pros. You know, they're used to doing this.

And AlphaBrain broke that streak of 14 in a row that came back null results. So they were fired up, especially because this is a product that has earth-grown nutrient ingredients, natural ingredients. So natural ingredients on a healthy population and statistical significance, you know, really extremely rare, according to them, from what they've seen. And so they're pretty fired up. Isn't it hilarious that so many different things that we consider earth-grown nutrients, you know, natural ingredients,

natural ingredients, you look at them and you're like, oh, what is that going to do? Yeah, totally. It's like most of what you're putting in your body is supposed to be that stuff Yeah, I mean that's literally the building blocks of your fucking cells is Vegetable matter plant matter protein that in earth-grown nutrients. That's what you're made out. How do we get bigger? You know, how do we get bigger? We get bigger because we eat these things and becomes us, you know

But it's funny that those things I mean, especially Not alpha brain obviously because it's not illegal. But fuck, if they had found out about it a long time ago, it probably would have been illegal. Cannabis is something that, of course, everyone that listens to this podcast knows pretty much how I feel about marijuana and how important I think it is for humanity. But it's really it's hitting home with me right now because I have a good friend whose mom is stage four cancer. They took her off chemotherapy. They put her on CBD oil. They put her on hemp oil.

And I'm not suggesting anybody do this, by the way. If you know someone who's on cancer and you listen to your fucking doctor, okay? Do whatever your doctor tells you to do. However, I just want to tell you what is happening to my friend because his mom, they pulled her off chemotherapy because they said she was too weak. They said, you can this anymore so he's panicking he's like she's got

a few months to live he gets her on that hemp oil or the cannabis oil yeah her tumor shrank 30 inside of a month 30 she sleeps every night where she couldn't sleep before she eats all the time her appetite is back she sleeps her appetite is back. She sleeps. Her appetite is back. And her tumor has shrunk by 30 fucking percent inside of a month. That's awesome. And it shows just how like improving things a little bit can start a positive cascade. Like you improve just enough to sleep and then the sleep starts improving things. And then once you sleep enough, you can eat more and that starts improving things.

So even if the cannabis was only a 10% increase, maybe that got her to sleep. And then maybe the sleep got her to eat. And then all of a sudden it starts going on down the line and making a big improvement. Yeah, I mean, you can't discount any of the factors. Even the chemotherapy, any of the things that she was doing. But the fact that the cannabis helped her so much, helped her sleep, helped her eat. And that in most states, except for, what, 18 now, it's illegal. And in Colorado right now, they're trying to get people to the sheriff's department

and some form of other form of police department. They're trying to sue the state because they said they're upholding state and federal laws and they're not allowed to uphold the federal law against marijuana. Why? Because their fucking arrests are down. Their arrests are down. They're panicking. They're're gonna have to lay off cops. Their violent crime is down by something like 15%.

They have the lowest incidence of drunk driving they've ever had in the state. And they're making fuckloads of money off of tax dollars. Cannabis is taxed at 39% in Colorado. It's crazy. They're making so much money they had to give some back, right? Yeah, it's hilarious. Well, we're gonna start selling marijuana eventually. Yeah. Well, we're going to start selling marijuana eventually. But right now, we're selling AlphaBrain. So go to Onnit.com, O-N-N-I-T.

Use the code Rogan, and you'll save 10% off any and all supplements. Any other Onnit shit you could say before? Oh, there's all kinds of cool shit going on, but we'll get on with the podcast. We got a lot of cool shit, including this stuff. What is this, maca shit I'm drinking? Yeah, that matcha chai latte. So a ton of turmeric in there, some match green tea a lot of health benefits real whole spice chai matcha It's really good drink you feel like a hippie makes you want to be around people that have incense

Like some sort of macrame project going on some some carpet. That's weird weird weird earthy colors my people mm-hmm Yeah, I'm down with a lot of hippies. Yeah. But just a few hippies would fucking ruin it for everybody else. Yeah, hippies would try too hard. God damn. They're like the vegan version of hippies. Yeah.

Well, yeah, right? Like, they're just overzealous. But that's with everything, man. I mean, that's like the MMA dudes that wear those fucking T-shirts on it, you know, with skulls that have bullet holes in them and, you know, strangling chickens. It's always some guys taking it too far yeah instead of just being there showing and as soon as you start showing then it's that's what it is with everything though right i mean pretty much with everything there is in this world what am i looking for here looking for i don't know

should we cue the music yeah do we do that still yeah we kind of do that still boom Do we do that still? Yeah, we kind of do that still. Boom. Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. During my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day. I'm really worried that I lost my wallet.

Is it out there? Yeah, go check out there, Jamie. See if you can find it out there. I don't think it is out there, though. I think I left it on a there, though I think it's I think I left it on a table In a restaurant It's very possible When you have kids, dude

You lose your fucking mind Because you don't know What you're doing At any given time You're always like Hey, don't eat that Put that down Don't stick your finger in there

That's electrical Don't chew on wires Don't put that away Don't get The cars are coming Get over here Yeah You're a wrangler So I don't have a wallet right now So hopefully Don't put that away. Don't get like the cars are coming get over here You're wrangling so I don't have a wallet right now, so hopefully somebody knows where it is

We'll find out Jamie's taking too long because if it was out there he would have found it We might be fucked Well, you know it's the worst feeling ever but it all works out Yeah, yeah, the only problem is I feel like I should do something about it before this restaurant closes. Nothing? Okay. Pause it. We're going to be right back. I'm going to check my truck real quick. Sorry. You worried about me?

Isn't that funny, man? Like some pieces of paper, some little cards you have on your wall that have your ID on them. Like, oh, no. What if I get pulled over? They're going to take me to jail. I read a horrible story about a dude who's going to jail because he's a garbage man and he was picking up the garbage before 7 a.m.

So they gave him a citation. He goes in to deal with the citation and I don't know what he did. He reached some agreement with the court or talked to someone didn't understand the ramifications and they fucking sentenced him to 30 days in jail Oh That's fair That's justice, and you know I watch people like defend it online Well, he's picking up the garbage for people have a chance to put it out like what?

You think it's okay to put that guy in a cage? Yeah. You can put him in a cage. And apparently they're allowing him to work during the week, and he's going to serve us 30 days on weekends. So he's got a family, wife, kids, the whole deal. It's like most of a year. Yeah.

30 weekends out of the year. How fucking insane is that? That's crazy. How insane is that? Yeah. They're arresting this guy, putting him in jail, because he picked up the garbage early. What a weird world we live in, man. It is.

I think we're going to look back at this time, and we're just going to shake our head and think, we did some weird shit in this period. Just like we look back now, 50 years ago, 100 years ago. I mean, people were giving each other lobotomies back a long time ago. That's where they stick an ice pick in the corner of your eye and thrash it around. They don't even know what they're doing. They don't even know what they're doing. They're just trying to destroy shit.

And that was like an approved therapy along with electroshock and all this weird shit. You know, we'll look at some of the judicial system we have and be like, what were we thinking? Yeah. Well, do you remember there was a documentary a documentary on hunter s thompson and uh in the documentary it was uh i forget who was supporting for president but the vice president it was a scandal like as they were running for president found out that he had gone through electroshock therapy he'd gone through he had had a few moments yeah where shit didn't work out right with his brain and so they decided to juice this guy up.

I mean, what is that about? That's like the equivalent of smacking your TV when the reception's not coming in. Just walk up to it and fucking smack it and it works. You're like, oh, okay. Such a crude instrument to use, too. It's just like full on. It's not like they're targeting anything like Dave Asprey might be doing now. I mean, he still may not know exactly what he's doing, but at least he has an idea of a goal he's going for when he's zapping his brain.

These guys was just like sticking a fork in the light socket. Well, they had an episode of Radiolab about that stuff. You know, something dermal, stimulation, electricity. They're putting electrodes on certain parts of your brain. It was really fascinating. Yeah, that's definitely a new frontier that could show a lot of promise, but it's getting more exact. The more you get from this crude version to the exact version,

that's where it's going to start showing promise. Well, that's what they were saying on the Radiolab thing, that they have a bunch of people that are essentially hackers that are creating their own home remedies, and they're attaching these things to them. And sometimes they do it and they lose their sense of smell you know like juicing up weird parts of your brain you know you see like weird things out of the corner of your eyes your feet go numb like you're just you're applying

electricity to the outside of your head but there's been some things where they've shown like significant improvements including the ability to focus and the ability to learn tasks. Like they had this woman go through a sniper training thing. She did it on the natch. She does it. She's terrible at it. She knows just like this video game or the hostage situations. Who do you shoot?

And she's missing everybody. She gets like two out of, you know, whatever the fuck the number was. She does it again. They strap these things to her head. She does the whole 20 minute course. She does it again. They strap these things to her head. She does the whole 20-minute course. It's over like that.

And she goes, well, why was it over so quick? And they go, that was 20 minutes. And she goes, no, it wasn't. So they show her the time, like this was 20 minutes. She hits every target, 100% accuracy. And she's like, what in the actual fuck just happened? Like they juiced her up with these electrodes and she became a fucking assassin yeah that's awesome i wonder if it was manipulating the

brainwave frequency like getting her into that alpha state zone or whether it was you know prefrontal cortex blood flow or there's a lot of different things they can do but i think there's a lot of promise in that field you know it's it's a shortcut that we're starting to learn we're still you know most people at least are still white belts in how to manage the mind you know we're amateur race car drivers with this insanely complicated piece of machinery that most people don't understand the potential of and there's different states that you achieve almost accidentally you have a couple of shots you're at the bar you can't you're playing pool you can't fucking miss And there's different states that you achieve almost accidentally. You have a couple of shots.

You're at the bar. You're playing pool. You can't fucking miss. Everybody's been there. You think you're Tom Cruise. You look away. You fire the ball dead in the heart of the pocket. But try recreating that a few days later, and it's gone.

Maybe even an hour from now, it's gone. I think that's why the ancients used to blame it on the gods. It was like, ah, the gods are with me. Hermes was holding my stick on the pool table, you know? Whatever they had, because it's so crazy. It's like, you don't know when it's going to come. It's like you've been gifted by the divine. And with the ancients, too, they only lived to be, like, 20. So, like, they had to, like, figure it out real quick.

What was it? Gods! The gods have done this for us! Yeah. Okay, I think I have cancer. See you guys later. And they would just fucking... Probably wouldn't even cancer, right? The flu.

Syphilis. Yeah. Something that got all the ancients. Yeah. It got the VD, right? Well, who's the first dude to get VD? Who's that dirty bastard? There had to be like a first guy.

Yeah. You'd think, right? Unless it's just been around forever. Just the bane of existence. But it's funny that there's like a specific disease. Like nobody catches the flu from eating pussy. You know what I mean? Like you get like specific diseases from sex.

Sexually transmitted diseases. Although Michael Douglas got that weird one from eating so much box where he got like throat cancer. He says he didn't. He says that that was bullshit. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. There was like, but it coincided with his divorce. So I'm not sure if I buy it.

He might have even tried to sweet-talk his way back into Catherine Zeta-Jones. What's her name? That's her name? It's the one. Yeah. That didn't work out. So they got divorced. So maybe it was eating pussy.

Maybe if you pull them aside and go, come on, man, how much pussy did you eat? Oh, good Lord. I'm imagining it's a lot. I was actually at a dinner party where he was at. Really? He's the man as far as like having just that natural charisma where you just want to pull up a seat and listen to him tell a story

it could be about him getting a fucking Starbucks it didn't really matter when Michael Douglas was telling a story it was like whoa he's had a lot of experience man including like catastrophic failures as a parent he's got a son that's in jail for drugs that's got to be like really weird you know that that often happens

with those big-time movie star fellows and and gals they become big-time movie stars and they just don't have enough time to raise their kids and then the kids are around these like really super unhealthy environments and you know a lot of like empty pleasure environments and a lack of understanding discipline and then also genetic predisposition to addictions that he had. And obviously his son Charlie has, you know, who knows other folks in his family might have had as well. It's a bittersweet life. Yeah, it's challenging. And I think the way that I look at it is it's extra pressure.

It's not like it's inevitable that you're going to be fucked up in that situation, but it's extra pressure. And so you have to do extra things to be able to combat that. You know, you really have to focus on your discipline, do things like, you know, spiritual journeys and meditation and psychedelics and things that you got to say, listen, this is going to be, the pressure of the world in this situation is going to try and steer me this way. So I got to overcompensate by working that much harder to make sure I stay grounded and stay balanced. But those, you know, those mechanisms aren't in place and they're not part of mainstream

understanding. So, you know, whereas maybe in 50 years, a person like Michael Douglas will be like, listen, here's your 18th birthday. You're going down to Peru. I know this shaman really well. I'll see you in two weeks. And then every year thereafter, you're doing something else, staying in an ashram for two weeks. He's got to know that there's so much pressure that he can help kind of guide this.

But right now, it's just nobody knows that much. Yeah, could you imagine if you grew up and your dad was a giant movie star and you go on the red carpet Holding your dad's hand And you're like Also You have to live in that guy's shadow Yeah

You know Like what are you doing man Oh you run a bakery You're Michael Douglas' kid Right Your fucking dad's a He won the Oscar I don't even know if he won an Oscar

I'm sure he did One of those fucking things That's something or another Yeah You know What a fucking weird Batch of pressure that is. You know, I have friends

that their dads are, like, pretty successful, and they still, like, they're adults. They live under the shadow of their dad. Even if they're more successful than their dad.

It's like, see? You know? Fucking passed you, dad. Oh, you didn't, you're a fucking... It's a weird dynamic. They call that, like, the Oedipal complex, right?

Where you have to, that urge to kill your father and it's not literally kill your father, but it means to overcome, you know, what his, what his greatness was, you know, be better than him in some way or another. And fuck your mom. And fuck your mother. Yeah. That's another, I don't even know how to explain that part, but yeah, but that's, that's part of this drive, like to be better than the generation before you, which is, it's why, you know, a lot of times, even in South America, the shamans, they train, you know, father to grandson rather than father to son. They skip a generation to avoid that kind of power dynamic. Because they know it's going to be kind of fucked up if they're both practicing at the same time. It's always going to be weird.

That's really clever. Yeah. That's so clever that they do that. It was probably out of just sheer necessity, you know? Yeah, I got a way better relationship with my grandfather than I ever did with my father. Right. My grandfather, like, there's no pressure on him. Exactly.

You know, he'd already raised kids. I was his, you know, his daughter's kid. It was easy. Yeah. Hung out with that dude. Went fishing with him and shit, you know? Yeah. And he's not wrapped up in the ego of, that's my boy my boy you know that's a big problem that fathers get caught up into they

identify with their children and that becomes part of their identity and then they put so much pressure on these kids to for their own benefit rather than just hey you're a human you know what's best for you buddy yeah yeah that's real hard for people, man. I've seen that with people trying to dictate their children's careers. And I had a friend when I grew up who was Korean. And Korean families, I don't know if you have any Korean friends, but Korean families are incredibly hardworking, like incredibly strict, incredibly disciplined. Like he was one of the most disciplined people I've ever met. He was on the national Taekwondo team when he was going through his, uh, he was going through medical school. So he was in the middle of medical school and he was also on the national Taekwondo team. Like, well,

fucking do that, man. I mean, he won the nationals as a fucking medical student. This guy, I mean, he was studying 16 hours a day and he found time to train. He would, in between training or in between studying at the library, he would run stairs at his university. Wow. He would just run the stairs, like with his street clothes on. And that's how he got some of his conditioning in. Yeah, I've watched our researcher, Jarrett, as soon as he started medical school. It's just, he was practicing BJJ. He was living in Brazil.

We met him in Brazil. He's kind of stout, and he's just killing it in there. And I've seen the circles get deeper, and he's losing weight. And he still finds a little time here and there, but it's a grind. I can't imagine that anybody thinks it's the way to do it. I think everybody's just been doing it like that for so long. But how is it possible that they let doctors work these giant long-ass shifts, completely exhausted, and take care of people's medical issues and possibly fuck things up because they're exhausted just because of fatigue? Yeah.

I mean, that's and it's kind of like that Navy SEAL type of training that they put you through enough pressure in medical school or in BUDS training as it is for the Navy SEALs that they can trust you in battle with people's lives on the line, you know? And I think that's why they make medical school that hard. You know, it's like a gauntlet that if you pass this motherfucker, then you'll be able to handle these long ships, especially, you know, when you're interning at a hospital and doing all those. I think it's probably the right move for SEALs. Right. But for doctors, I just feel like, Jesus, why don't you have more doctors? Yeah. You know, why don't you have extra doctors instead of making one guy work 18 hours a fucking day?

My friend Steve, I think you met Steve Graham, Dr. Steve. He was, we were, uh, when we were friends in Boston, he was going through his residency and, uh, he was an ophthalmologist and he told me that he was on the toilet taking a shit with a tray of food in his lap He fell asleep and his buzzer went off and that's when he realized like like what the fuck am I doing with my life? Yeah, he fell asleep on the toilet while he was eating and the buzzer like his pager was back when he had pagers Doctor I think doctors still have pager some of them. I think they actually do they're like still they're the only ones with pagers drug dealers and doctors Can you trace people through pagers? No, you can't there's no fucking pay phones anymore So if you're a drug dealer and you're trying to do things on the street

Like you have to have a toss guy if you got burners you gotta have a burner phone Yeah, how long before they make drug dealers and adulterers and cricket phones all day yeah how many people like buy those legitimately how many people like buy burner phones and like I just like I like this phone this is my phone no no no 7-eleven phones no that doesn't happen you know one thing about doctors people give doctors a hard time especially you know because of this medical crisis that we're in but I don't really don't think it's the doctor's fault. They're trained to, you know, they're trained to follow clinical research, you know, and they do that really, really well. They follow the clinical research. The problem is, is that the people funding clinical research have a vested interest.

They're researching products that they want to sell. They're not researching, Hey, let's see what happens if we feed this guy a natural diet, you know, and do that against placebo. Well, that's a couple hundred grand that nobody's paying for because nobody's making any money off that. You know, so there's not, there's an absence of clinical research showing these other kind of functional medicine and nonprofit ways that people can get healthy. And I think that really, when you're looking at, you know, kind of correcting some of the issues in medicine, that's what needs to happen. Big nonprofit groups need to get together and start funding clinical trials for these things that have no profitable viability. You know, just studying healthy diets, studying, you know, what happens if you float for, you know, every day for six weeks,

studying what happens when you do all of these other things that you can't possibly make money off of. And I think that's going to make a big difference. And it's also, try talking to a doctor about something that's outside of his wheelhouse. And you've got to get a lot of, what do you think about, ask a doctor about meditation. Oh yeah, that's not going to, that guy's fucking busy, man. He's got 18 different patients waiting in his office. And that's not his field of study. And you can't possibly know everything about the human body when it comes to every single function of the human body all the different mechanisms involves and

absorbing nutrients and absorbing like the the different things that can go wrong in various organs like you specialize they specialize for a reason there's a reason why foot doctors aren't also neurosurgeons you know right you can't be. You can't be. And it's sort of analogous to life. Like, in life, you can't know everything about everything in life. And doctors just, most,

you run into a lot of doctors, and you don't want to trade bodies with them. You go like, you're a doctor. Like, you're a guy who's supposed to be, like, managing like, the health and wellness of these people that are in your care at least as far as fixing them when shit goes wrong but you've got a pot belly and you don't have an ass like you you're you have bad posture your your neck that's kind of slumped

forward like and you're a doctor and you're you so you're not on the ball with everything either no one is it's an it's literally a virtual impossibility to be complete as far as your education about the entire human body and every single organ and everything that can go wrong and everything that you could do right to prevent all these things from going wrong. And to really have a deep knowledge in the benefits of all these different things like yoga and meditation and super healthy, know nutrient-rich diets you got to do it you have to actually do that you have to have a shitty like rich roll who's going to be on the podcast again soon uh i've had him in the past and he's a ultra marathon runner who became

this like fucking health and wellness fanatic and he used to eat shit food and a terrible diet and then started like juicing beets and eating healthy vegetables and his whole body was like what's going on and he like described like one day where he just got out and just started running like he had so much energy he just started running well it takes a guy like that to give you i mean obviously it's an anecdotal experience it's just one guy's take on what happened but those those stories are super important to so you know that that is if you really do change your diet and throw a bunch of healthy like really low fat meats and high you know like high nutrient vegetables and eat really healthy foods you

will feel different like your your way you interface with the world will feel different Eat a lot of avocados and coconut oil get those healthy fats for your brain, and you feel different It's not a fucking aesthetic thing. It's not like I want to look good on the beach. I'm gonna starve myself That's not even healthy look at her. She's not even healthy like I saw this photo these chicks were bombing on this girl It was hilarious because it was a girl who's just thin she's just thin she didn't look like and she was anorexic at all But all these women were just shitting on her body like oh god get her a sandwich Oh god, she's too thin like that's she has thin bones man you look at this girl like that's how she's built But nobody wants to accept that they want to they want to think that there's something wrong with this girl.

You're supposed to be overflowing over the top of your fucking jeans. You're supposed to have, like, big floppy meat bags in between your legs that rub together when you walk. It's easier to think that than to go the other way. That's healthy. She's not healthy. The best doctor I know is Dr. Engel, and we work with him and on it. And so he was trained as a psychiatrist, clinical forensic child psychiatry, got his MD, and then was like, I don't really think this is the whole picture. So he's like, all right, I'm going to go completely

the other way. Went down to South America and did 40 sessions of ayahuasca in 60 nights, and did way too much, like fried himself to a certain degree. So then he had to go live in a tent for a little while, figure some shit out. He's like, that was way too much. So he lived in a tent on land for like a year, and then he started studying different kind of functional medicine, but he put himself in the lab with all these things.

Sometimes he screwed up, sometimes he got it right, but now he's able to combine the you know, the best part of Western medicine is MD, the best part of, you know, the shamanistic practices from South America, the best part of functional medicine and natural medicine, and kind of put it all together. And that's where the doctors can become great. Because maybe they're not specialists, but the problem with specialists is everything in the body is interconnected and related.

So if you're only specializing in one thing, you're going to focus on that potentially to the detriment of the rest of your body. So having that at least basic understanding of the connection between all the parts of the body is incredibly valuable for a doctor. And then also putting themselves through all the things. How are you going to talk shit on what ayahuasca can do

unless you've done it? Right. You know, like there's no way to know like what that experience is. Same with prescribing thesecribing these drugs you know it's like you're prescribing drugs that you've never even taken like how are you how do you know what this is going to do to somebody it's a weird kind of place that that we're in right now well uh i have a friend um you have some of that fella it's good for you all right i have a friend who her husband went over to Germany for artificial disc replacement and Like he's he's fucked like his back is fucked and so they replaced a bunch of his discs

He's way better now Yeah Like way better nice skiing again like his back was fucked and apparently they have these discs in Germany these artificial discs that they just can't sell in America. They just can't sell them. Nope. They're just not ready yet. For whatever reason.

Maybe there's a good reason. I mean, maybe they're more thorough over here. And maybe they prevent people from having to get those old silicone breast implants pulled out, that kind of shit. Yeah, when one pops. They give it to you fucking lupus or some shit. And that happens to people. They get autoimmune disorders because their tits leak. Yeah.

But these discs, Braulio Estima got one in his neck. He had a jujitsu injury and really bad neck injury where he's temporarily paralyzed and the whole deal. Went and got his disc replaced. Won the world championships afterwards. He's fighting in the whole deal, went and got his disc replaced, won the world championships afterwards, his fight in MMA afterwards. I mean, he's gone through this incredibly devastating injury and with an artificial disc in his neck, still getting yanked on.

He's still getting choked. Not that often. He's pretty fucking good. He doesn't really get choked very often. But the point being, he's got full functionality. And so does this guy. This guy had discs fused in his back. Went to Germany. They opened all that shit up, unfused his discs, I guess. I functionality. And so does this guy. This guy had discs fused in his back. Went to Germany.

They opened all that shit up, unfused his discs, I guess. I don't know if they did that. And they put these artificial discs in place. And now he's fucking moving around. It's crazy. But they can't. But I was talking to my doctor about it. I go, so why?

They don't do that in America? You can't do it in America. But do you recommend it? He goes, I definitely recommend it. If you have the funds, if someone has got a really fucked up back and they have the funds, he's like, yeah, it's worth doing. And it's not like Germany is a free for all. And a lot of things are even more strict than us. I mean, I'm pretty sure all vitamins are pharmaceuticals pretty much in Germany.

Like we can't sell shit in Germany. Really? Because like they control everything very carefully out there. So you know, they're kind of that way. Do they prescribe them though at least? Do they prescribe vitamins? I think so. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm not an expert on that, but I know the prohibition for us sending anything, even our vitamin C supplements in

there, like no, no, no, no vitamin C. That's a pharmaceutical. Wow. Whoa. Whoa. That's crazy. But, but yeah, I mean. Well, that's what they, they invented that Regenikine, which I'm a giant fan of. You know, I've had that done several times now, man. You want to talk about something that just cuts your injury, like the recovery time down radically. It's very expensive, but if you have something

that's really fucking with you and nagging injury, oftentimes it just nips that shit in the bud. And it's available finally in America, but insurance doesn't cover it. You have to pay for it yourself.

But it's like, what is insurance? Like, why doesn't this, and they're like, it's off-label. Like, what does this mean? Like, I'm not complaining that it's here. I'm happy that at least you could use it because you still can't do the artificial disks or any of that other shit.

But it's going to come a point in time where you're going to go, is this the most efficient system? Yeah, no doubt. I think really we're at a really cool time where all kinds of new shit is coming out. And it's going to be like the best of what technology can do. And I think the next big piece is going to become in harnessing what the mind can do. I was doing a little bit of research because I'm doing a lot of writing now.

And there was a study published in 2002 where they took 180 patients. And they gave half of them a fake placebo knee surgery. And the other half arthroscopic knee surgery. Right. And but everybody thought they were getting real knee surgery. So it was placebo controlled knee surgery. Whoa. And the results were absolutely on par.

The people who got placebo controlled knee surgery were cruising around. They were walking around fine. And people who got actual arthroscopic knee surgery were also doing a lot better as well. So, I mean, and that's something that isn't tested very often in surgery because people don't think, how do you do a placebo surgery? Well, they've done that with, there's a study in the 1950s that did it with a particular type of heart surgery where people, they gave people placebo heart surgery and real surgery. The results were on par.

And so I think understanding how much that plays an effect, because if you go to surgery and you come out and you're all right, you think you're fixed. You know, like, man, the doctors are in there. They know shit. They were cutting shit up. They were sewing it up. I'm good. So that placebo effect, even in surgery, is dramatic. It's huge.

And I think really the frontiers of medicine are going to be harnessing the stuff that really does work and add benefit. are going to be harnessing the stuff that really does work and add benefit and then us tapping into these latent resources in our mind and Using belief to help speed up and facilitate even additional healing. That's amazing on the other hand I really appreciate the fact that there's steps that people have to go through before they can sell a pharmaceutical drug Because we've all been pharmaceutical drug because we've all been aware of someone and close to us or something that had an adverse effect of some Pharmaceutical drug that you see in those late-night commercials were you one of the ones who took Vioxx or fen-fen member fen-fen? Yeah, I've fucked a lot of people up. God damn son that fuck people's hearts up like for life

Like there's people that have like fucking tricky hearts now because of some diet pills. Yeah, lose fat and your life. Yeah, man. I know a dude who had a stroke because he was taking Guy Metzger, UFC fighter, former champion, a great fighter, great guy, too, really cool guy. Yeah, I met him. He got a fucking stroke from Vioxx, dude. He's taking this shit for arthritis in his knees, and all of a sudden he starts slurring

his words, and everyone's like um guy Something's going on. Yeah, they take him in they find out he's got a stroke You know and on top of a lifelong career of MMA fighting He was actually talking about some interesting therapy that he's going through Something that's really benefited him benefited his back see if he could pull that up Guy Medsker, I don't have a laptop in front of me, but Guy Metzger discusses brain trauma video. It's really interesting.

First of all, because Guy Metzger, who is a pioneer, I called one of his early UFC fights in 97. I've known that guy for a long time. He's always been like a super stand-up, looks like a movie star, looks like a hero in a movie. He's been just a cool dude, like always. And even in this situation, it's really cool

because he's super honest about how he feels, like how he feels physically as opposed to how he used to feel and like what was going wrong. And he talked about the improvements that he had. It's hilarious was going wrong and he talked about the improvements that he had it's hilarious actually because he talks about the improvements that he has like you know he's talking about brain trauma from fighting and then a stroke and then later on he's talking about now he can spar again he's sparring with some fucking young whippersnapper that came into his gym and the doctor's like what the fuck are you doing he's

don't worry he didn't hit me he's like you're in there fucking sparring man But you know he's a world champion when you're when you're a guy like guy masquerade like legit striking skills to it really It's fun for him. It's like being a chess master not being able to play chess anymore. Yeah, man So he gets his jollies. Is this it? Let me see play it and I'll tell you if it is Yeah, this is it. You'll be able to move around without your cane. Especially vets with brain injuries.

I don't believe we do enough. To be honest, I think we give a lot of lip service to helping our vets, but not a lot of action. Some Metzgers changing that. What we offer here is a class for them to start getting in shape. This is a different thing, but this is cool that he's doing that. Keep your hands up, son. CHANGING THAT. WHAT WE OFFER HERE IS A CLASS. THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING, BUT THIS IS COOL THAT HE'S DOING THAT.

KEEP YOUR HANDS UP, SON. HE'S IN ADDISON, TEXAS. WORKING ALONGSIDE THE CARE BRAIN CENTERS IN IRVING, MESSKER KNOWS WHAT A BRAIN INJURY DOES TO A PERSON. HE HAS ONE, TOO. I HAD A 17-YEAR-LONG

PROFESSIONAL FIGHT CAREER AND I HAD A MEDICINE INDUCED STROKE AND I HAVE A BRAIN TUMOR. MESKER BELIEVES THE COMBAT TRAINING THAT WORKS FOR HIM WILL MAKE OUR MILITARY HEROES HEALTHIER AND HAPPIER. WE TRY TO ATTACH THESE GUYS BACK TO THAT ELEMENT THAT MADE THEM BECOME SOLDIERS IN THE FIRST PLACE. FOR TEXANS WITH CHARACTER, I'M TRACY CORNETT.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING. SEE Texans with Character, I'm Tracy Cornett. This is a different thing. See if you can find the other one, because the other one he details is therapy that he went through that helped him. But that's cool that you can see from that video what kind of a guy he is. You know, so what was important was that he was talking about it in, like, this really honest way.

Like, his balance is all fucked up. He wasn't trying to shield himself like hey i still got it don't worry about that yeah you know he was he was being like real humble and honest about the state that he's in they're making some headway with brain trauma it's interesting there's some therapies that are effective no doubt and i think it's going to come from a basket of really cures at this point you know everybody it's not going to be one magic bullet it's going to be a variety of different thingsures at this point. It's not going to be one magic bullet. It's going to be a variety of different things. And stacking these modalities, like CBD has some potential.

Intranasal liposomal glutathione has some potential. Floating has some potential. Microdosing psilocybin might have some potential. There's been shown some neurogenesis that comes from that. But all of these things that are disparate right now, I think think ultimately maybe when put together might be the solution yeah that's the solution right the solution is it's not an either or thing it's not of you have to go the conventional route with pharmaceutical drugs and the doctor's prescription or you go the fruitcake route with holistic medicine you're doing yoga and eating fucking kelp it doesn't have to be it could be all the good stuff all the good stuff. All the good stuff.

The good stuff that seems woo-woo. Like, you talk to people who do kundalini yoga. Like, that's... I knew this lady. She's a sweetheart. I still know her. And she's a kundalini teacher. And she's...

Is she blazing hot? Because a lot of kundalini teachers are. She was at one point in time. I mean, she's still attractive, but she's an older woman now. But she was beautiful when she was young. She's beautiful now. I love her. She's a good person. But my point is, I don't want to disparage her in any way. She's so woo woo. She's so woo woo. It's fucking crazy. Like you can't talk to her about anything. Like she makes you like, you go onto her property.

If you go to where her house is, she makes you like stand in a certain place and say your blessings and, and and and like ask for ask for the the the earth in the woods to embrace you I think she's not bullshitting man she really means that right you know and she she will tell you that like Kundalini Yoga and like this practice of yoga is like changed her being changed who she is as an individual now I'd say like oh she's some woo-woo crazy bitch with with all due respect, with love. Crazy bitch.

I call myself a crazy bitch. But then my friend Denny got into it. Denny Propokos. And Denny, you know Denny. Denny, Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, world champion as a brown belt, no-gi jiu-jitsu. I mean, he's a bad motherfucker and a very good friend. And he's not a bullshit artist at anything.

And he started getting deep into Kundalini and he started doing it every day. And he said, dude, I'm tripping balls. He goes, I'm telling you when I'm in full Kundalini mode, because Danny's super disciplined and the type of discipline that you need to be a high level competitive Brazilian jujitsu black belt is the same kind of discipline that if applied to yoga, you know,

like a constant attention and focus on achieving these states, I now believe that all the stuff that I used to think was horseshit. I mean, it's really kind of egotistical that I thought, I just thought there was too much, there's so much shenanigans going on. I mean, for whatever reason, I would hear people talk about these yoga states where they would achieve full-on DMT realm states and I'd be like sure you did you know I just I just didn't believe them I thought they were like you know how people eat vegan food always tell you it tastes amazing

right there always it's like it's never like it's kind of cardboardy but chicken with the apostrophe tastes just like chicken but you know what I'm saying it's like they're overly enthusiastic to the point where their opinion or their their taste is not It's you don't consider it without reservation, but Danny I consider him without reservation. I know him so well So he tells me he's hitting these states. I was like whoa Yeah, I mean the Kundalini Yoga is I think well first of all the problem that a lot of people have is they stack Extra shit on top of the good stuff That's just complete nonsense right and that help that makes you want to discard the whole thing.

Like some of this woman's other practices were probably the majority of why you went, man, everything you're doing is whack, because I know some of this is whack. And I think that's an issue you make. But the actual kundalini yoga, I had a podcast with a former Navy SEAL, this guy, Michael Vega. And he was on 11 different pharmaceuticals. And that's another big problem with the military is they really over-prescribe psychological meds for these people. And interactions can be a problem. But he was on 11, couldn't sleep, full PTSD, totally fucked up.

And then his process was exactly the same. He stopped taking the meds and started doing kundalini yoga, which he stumbled upon. And he's actually out here. And that was the key for him to reverse his PTSD. And this is an old Navy SEAL, like a real deal combat vet, you know, in the shit kind of guy. And that's the method that worked. You know, it kind of makes sense if you think about it, because that applies to almost everything else, that there's someone out there that does it so well that if you experience them doing it you go oh now i get it you know what i mean like we've all seen that like i've never taken any music lessons at all but i have friends that play guitar and uh i had a friend that would play classical guitar he'd do flamencos and shit and uh he would

grow his fingernails long and shit, like the whole deal, and he had to put nail polish over them. He was my friend from the time we were like 15, and he would go crazy with his fucking guitar. You could see his fingers move, and he'd play this crazy flamenco music, and you would realize that it's possible. But until I saw him do it like with my fucking fat stupid fingers and like I don't I guess you could get there but I never seen

anybody get there you know you've got to see it yeah and it's the same with martial arts I remember being a kid like watching like black belts for the first time watching people throw kicks and watching people like this guy specifically this guy John Lee I watched him I remember watching him hit the bag and now knowing that that was possible where that was in my mind it was the what he was doing though the amount of power that he had the speed that he had and the execution the perfect technique didn't exist in my head there was no there was no model for it you know so to watch someone do it in the flesh was all

sudden it was like whoa this is a real thing like this is possible You could achieve that level Whereas you take the average person you tell him to go kick something It's gonna look ridiculous right this guy had it all polished down to this tornado move ma'am, and he just he just had the motions down and it was Fascinating to watch and so because of that like I aspire to achieve a similar level of proficiency that this guy had that was like my goal is to get as good as John Lee and so when you look at kundalini yoga it's got to be the same thing it's got to be any with

every discipline there's you get better at it every time I do yoga I get a little bit better at it every time I hit poses I get a little better i can go into them deeper i my body is more comfortable there i i just i set into it better my balance is better and you kind of think that i'm not doing it that often you gotta think these motherfuckers that are doing it every day they're getting into these crazy places and i'm not doing kundalini yoga i'm doing just like just stretching and all that kind of i don't know what you would even call it like what the the discipline is but the kundalini is specifically designed, according to Denny, to try to stimulate these psychedelic states. Yeah, and what they're using is breath.

And you can get that in a variety of different ways. And the other thing that I've done is called holotropic breathing, which is pretty much like kundalini yoga without the yoga aspect. And kundalini yoga has very little to do with stretching. It's mostly getting in postures and breathing really, you know, deep breaths frequently and kind of draw it, visualizing, it's a visualization, visualizing, drawing energy up from your Kundalini center, which is the base of your body, and then doing these breath works. And I've felt what it, what can happen when you're in these, you know, hyper oxygenated states.

And it's really, really powerful. I haven't done the kundalini yoga in a proper session. I've just done it a little bit where you kind of bounce up and down and you're breathing and getting these things. But it's accessing that same mechanism, which is basically flooding your body with oxygen and creating these seemingly psychedelic states. Yeah, seemingly. I mean, they are psychedelic.

I mean, I would like to see some studies done on what's going on when you're doing that holotropic breathing. Like, if you hit, like, a peak, if they could put those EFMG or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, for sure, EFG. What is it? Functional. fMRI. fMRI.

If they could put that on you. All the various ways they have of monitoring what the fuck's going on in your dome. If they could do that while you were in that, like, if you got to that psychedelic state and you told them i was there i was there and like okay well let's let's look at the chart and see yeah i mean death they'd probably see it in a lot of things they'd see it in blood flow they'd see it in brain wave activity they'd see it in a variety of things i want to know what happens when you're killing on stage i want to know what that is i bet i bet it's in that 10 hertz alpha frequency that would be probably exactly where you want to know what that is i bet i bet it's in that 10 hertz alpha frequency that would be probably exactly where you want to be for that creative everything's easy it's smooth you lose

track of time i mean that's the characteristic of that 10 hertz kind of window that sweet spot that flow state there's a weird state you hit yeah it's a weird state you hit when everything's cracking and i love watching other people kill too because i could kind of see them in that state i'm like oh he's in there you know like you watch like joey diaz is like one of the best examples because joey will reach these these states and he'll say things off the top of his fucking head that you would swear somebody like somebody would like they would labor for years to try to come up with a line as beautiful and poetic yeah and he'll say it and then after it comes out of his mouth he starts laughing because he's laughing at it because he didn't even know he was going to say it and he

said he's like and you realize like that guy's gone he's gone he's in that and he's addicted to it he's a it's totally addicted to killing that's funny you say that because I talk with Stephen Kotler, who wrote this book, The Rise of Superman. And they've done a lot of studies on these flow states. And when you're in this flow state, you're releasing a concoction of five different endogenous drugs. And I can't name them off the top of my head. But he makes the argument that flow state is by far the most addictive substance in the world. Because you're getting dopamine, norepinephrine. all of these different endogenous drugs basically get flooded through your body and nothing feels better. I mean, you can chase a high every other which way, but once you've felt

that you're going to want to get back to that more and more. I mean, it's incredibly addictive, incredibly productive, but also addictive. Yeah. Any guy that's ever done anything dangerous, Productive but also addictive yeah any guy that's ever done anything dangerous. We talked to BMX folks or skateboarders or any of those extreme sports maniacs those guys for sure are That experience the rush of danger and pulling it off fuck yeah You know you see those guys they do a flip and then they land and like fuck It's like the universe is charging them like Highlander and shit like a lightning bolts going through him If you watch Chuck Liddell when Chuck Liddell would win He's the best example of that state because he would win and he would throw his arms back and roar

And yell with his chest poked out pull up pull up a video of Chuck Liddell Celebrating there's like others compilations of him celebrating chest poked out. Pull up a video of Chuck Liddell celebrating. There's compilations of him celebrating. When he was in his prime, dude, you want to talk about if you wanted the guy to recruit new fans, if you said, man, what is this MMA thing?

Watch this motherfucker. Yeah. What is this? The most badass celebration? What is this? Is is like an edited version? Yeah, find one where they don't do their own dance mix to it Just show it man If you could show it you could but no and hardly anybody are ever gonna feel that that same thing But we can all taste it in our own certain little ways, but if you could bottle that feeling

Forget about it. Everybody would just hit that button as many times as possible you can't you can't you can't and you you don't deserve it no you don't deserve it you have to do what he did to get there you have to fight Babalu Sabrawl Tito Ortiz you got to fight Kevin Randleman you got to fight all those fucking guys you got to fight Rampage Jackson you got to fight Alistair Overeem you got to fight those guys if you don't fight those guys, you don't deserve that feeling. Like, he's in there with murderers, and he's throwing haymakers. And when he was at his best, dude, god damn, he was a ferocious motherfucker.

You know, his style almost, like, it kind of did him in. Because he was so aggressive, and he was so willing to take one to give one. He wanted to get you into a war of wills. He was like, dude, there's no way. You don't understand. There's no way. You're going to hit me and it's not going to hurt and I'm going to fucking kill you. If you stand in front of me, I'm going to smash your face in.

And that was like his style. Skillful, of course. I mean, he did have good defensive skills. But he would oftentimes abandon them just with just rage and just go after opponents so if you wanted like the perfect guy like if you wanted to show somebody i want you to watch mma watch a chuck liddell fight in his prime you'd be like fucking christ man like when he beats up tito ortiz and he has him up against the cage just just fucking unloading these combinations and titito starts to slump down. Fucking Christ, man. I mean, Jesus Christ.

That guy was a fucking warrior in there. And raw. Raw to all of those feelings. That's why when he throws his arms back, you appreciate it. It's not like a guy who just decisioned a guy to death. He blanketed him, got on top of him, threw little baby punches. No, this is a guy who just threw his soul at a guy. Came out triumphant. He's like, rah.

You don't get that roar if you barely win by a split decision in a fight where you didn't take any chances. Where you did the right thing, but you stifled him up against the cage and put him to the ground and got on top of him. Didn't really make any risks. No. You only get that when you go balls out barbarian style. Yeah. Rah. Look at that picture. you go balls out barbarian style. Yeah. Rah! Look at that picture. That's awesome. There's no video? It seems like

contact... How is there no video of this? Zufa? How dare you, Zufa, my employers? My last employers? It seems like contact sports are some of the best ways to get that. I mean, you'll see that also when a running back runs over three different giant men who've been training their whole life to bring him down,

they get in there, and you'll get a tight taste of that. Probably none quite the same as Chuck Liddell, but something about these contact sports where you're actually just in it and just getting pounded by different other individuals and then triumphing releases that massive feeling. Yeah, you know, I never experienced that. I never, like, any tournament that I won or anything like that, I always felt weird after it was over. I never felt, I felt relief because it was over,

and now I could relax. I did feel good about it later when I thought about, like, yeah, I fucking won. Wow, I have a trophy. I could look at it. Like, this is mine. I won this. But when it was over, over like the state of mind

even if i won by knockout especially even if i won by knockout because then i would always i was always like fuck that could have been me like i'm not even making any money doing this i'm out here throwing kicks at people and they're kicking me and i'm kicking them and look what happened this fucking kid i don't even know this kid i don't even know this kid and i just put him in the hospital like this is ridiculous that's what I would think. I would never be like, rah! That's why I had to quit. Not designed for this shit.

Not getting enough juice. Yeah, there's something missing. I was too, I was also too aware of the potential downsides. Like, I was an early on adapter of head trauma paranoia. Because I'm pretty honest about, I think one of the things about being a martial artist at least for me the way uh I got better at it quicker is that I was super honest about all the shit that I did wrong I never tried to pretend anything was better than what it was I would look at everything and I'd never be satisfied all the techniques I'm like that's not crisp enough.

The weight transfer's not hard enough. Whatever it was, I'd be like, I've got to just keep drilling this over and over and over again. And because of that, I was acutely aware of my performance levels, which is why when I started getting hit in the head a lot, I started looking at the performance of my thinking, and I was like, something's off. There's something going on here. I'm feeling a very small and I'm trying to attribute it to fatigue I'm like maybe it's because of fatigue maybe it's because I'm tired because I've been training a lot because I'm fighting and then I

was like maybe I'm getting hit in the head too much and I was like whoa fuck man this is and then I started thinking about these people that you see in life like you run into some old dude and he's hunched over and he's got a cane. You don't think of that guy as being a three-year-old running in his dad's backyard laughing and giggling and impervious to injury and flopping down on his butt and just getting right back up because he's only three inches off the ground. No, you look at a decaying creature who's reached the final slide of his existence in this dimension. He's on the way out. You don't see the full journey. And I think we think of these guys that you run into in the gym that are punchy, and you think of them and you go, oh, that fucking guy, man.

Yeah, he's punch drunk. That guy didn't used to be punch drunk, though. He used to be a regular guy. He used to be a regular guy that you could talk to. And now he's in this weird place. And I didn't compete that long, especially with a lot of head blows. Way more head blows in boxing and kickboxing, which all happened in the last two or three years that I was doing martial arts,

like really intensely in competing. So I don't think I took too much. But when I think about people that I know that I know are fucked up now, that bothers me, man. It's one of the main things that bothers me about the sport. No doubt. And it's interesting. It's like choosing this lifestyle that you know can give you access to these feelings,

like maybe Chuck Liddell felt, that.0000001% of the whole world will ever feel. You get access to a little piece of that, but it comes at a terrible price if you stick with it too long. If you stick with it too long, and that's the problem. What we were talking about earlier is the addiction. The addiction to that fucking rush, that rush, that wild feeling. Like I said, I never felt it like that. Well, you look at some of the people who are really intriguing me right now

and they have a different kind of attitude when they're in there sometimes they can feel it like someone like John Jones for example is a good example of that where it's just so calculated calm and flow everything looks like it's you don't see that rage come out of him

in the cage anymore so he's so efficient at making great guys look silly. And even Conor, even though he's just starting out and he's got a lot of tougher guys to fight, he has a little bit of that element too where everything just looks easy for him in there. And I think that's the next wave because, and they're going to deny themselves maybe some of the pleasure on the other side, but their performance in that level, in that mode, is going to be pretty fucking tough to beat. Yeah, it's very interesting seeing these various styles that are emerging. You know, one of the things that I really love about the UFC,

and this is as a person who's seen it from the really early days, I started watching UFC 2, and being able to call more than 1,000 fights live from just a few feet away, you're seeing it's like a mathematical equation. You're seeing, like, what are the benefits of being 265 pounds, built like Brock Lesnar, versus what are the benefits of a superior gas tank like Cain Velasquez and really good wrestling skills? what are the benefits of a superior gas tank like Cain Velasquez and really good wrestling skills?

What are the benefits of crisp technique over what the benefits of rage and aggression and muscle? What are the benefits of a pace that no one can can keep up with versus a guy who throws? Knockout blows but gets tired after the second round like where where's the numbers what so now I'm looking at it Not just as like individuals with unique personalities unique physical skills like we all know like guys like Hector Lombard like look at him That's a unique physical specimen period. There's no denying that you just can't deny it He's just there's not a that's not a regular dude. He doesn't move like a regular dude He's not gonna hit you like a regular dude So there's a massive benefit his skull somehow has muscles that attach to his traps

That's possible so stupid strong too dude you watch him like fight Tim Bosch Tim Bosch is a like a really big 185 and Tim Bosch is strong as fuck dude and Tim Bosch would go to take down and Hector snapped him down and sprawled like I have never seen a five foot eight man do to a big Fucking Viking looking dude like Timbo. She just grabs him and snaps him down like fucking Christ How strong is that dude? Like he's like way through Jake Shields around who the fuck has ever done that before who's ever done that before he? Flipped Jake Shields through the air and hip-tossed him. Jake Shields is a world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu

black belt. He competed against Marcelo Garcia, Cameron Earl. He was in the mix against John Fitch. He grappled against some really top-level competition and performed very well in straight jiu-jitsu. So to watch him just get fucking thrown through the air

with the greatest of ease, you're like, what kind of a freak is that? But is that the way to go? Or is the way to go to be that guy and also pretend you're not? To fight like you're a regular dude. To fight like you're a guy who doesn't have ridiculous explosive power, but always have that on tap. And know when to release a little bit out of it and then pull it back.

A little bit out of it. That pull it back a little bit out of that way you can get that frankie edgar pace well it's not only a proving grounds for strategy like you're talking which is amazing but it's also a proven ground for mental conditioning i mean this is the place where there's absolutely zero room to be at less than your potential and you see that all the time you see fighters come out and for whatever reason you know that a different operating system in that body would be fighting that night better so for whatever reason they weren't reaching it and then you see the converse side like tj dillashaw versus baral when he came out where you know he's on that bleeding edge of 99.99 of his potential of what he can do at that given point and and the states that they get in to get themselves that way the practices you know john jones when we actually ran into him before his last fight at dinner

and he was talking about a really interesting practice that he was doing in which he was going through all of the worst case scenarios that can happen against daniel cormier daniel cormier taking him down all of the worst case and he said and i've accepted those and i'm fine with them and for him that was releasing any fear that he had of what might happen in the ring and that's what and daniele bellelli pointing this out that's also what the samurai would do before battle and this is described vividly in the hagakure the book of the samurai they would vividly imagine in their mind all of the different ways they could die gutted and eviscerated their guts spilling out in their hands an arrow piercing their neck they would go through all of the different ways they could die, gutted and eviscerated, their guts spilling out in their hands, an arrow piercing their neck. They would go through all of these different

scenarios in their head, be at peace with them, understanding that death was coming to them all anyways. And then that way they wouldn't fear these scenarios, so they were fiercer in battle. So these techniques that are getting re-innovated by people like John Jones are really, you know, amazing to see because a lot of times innovation comes out of necessity and there's no greater necessity than another killer trying to pummel you in front of millions of people. Yeah. The people want to say that it's 99% mental or 90% mental. That's not really true because no matter how strong your brain is, John Jones is going to kick your fucking ass. Okay. John can be drunk on Coke. He's going to

bitch slap you. He's a better athlete. He he's just better fighter period but if John Jones's mind is totally on point if he's in that samurai zone that is an unbelievably deadly combination when you have the superior athlete with the superior mental toughness like a guy who goes through a really strong amateur wrestling background has like all those guys have some savage mental toughness, like a guy who goes through a really strong amateur wrestling background has. Like all those guys have some savage mental toughness. And you add that to like some sort of meditation practice or some sort of, a lot of them are using hypnosis now, which is really interesting. There's a guy who Joe Schilling was talking about.

I'll say his name because it's on my Twitter thing. But I want to, he just did Ian McCall as well he's hypnotizing motherfuckers and he's doing it through FaceTime he's hypnotizing him Vinnie god damn it why can't I remember those his last name Shorman I believe it is yes Vinnie Shorman that's it and Vinnie shorman is also an excellent striking commentator he does like a lot of kickboxing events and Muay Thai events and he works with some of these fighters and hypnotizes them and puts them in these states of mind and you know he essentially I want to talk to him about doing it for stand-up comedy so I don't think anybody's ever done it for like I don't

think anybody's ever hypnotized like especially where everything's going well yeah like it's it see what happens let's see what what happens if i get this guy to read my fucking brain well all of these things and we've talked about it a bit on this podcast already they're manipulating the belief system yeah and i've you know talked about knee surgery placebos this placebo there's no sebo effect the power that the brain has to be able to affect conditions within the human body. And then so manipulating that to your benefit, I think is is a huge part of, you know, the next frontier. And I also think especially when there's two people involved, if we understand that the belief system

has a lot to do with potential outcomes, both for health and a variety of things, that's all been proven, you know, belief has huge, you know, a huge amount of leverage on what you're capable of doing physically. So understanding that, then it would make sense that evolutionarily speaking, humans would be good belief detectors of each other, right? Because that would allow you to assess whether your opponent at a certain point or someone you were going to fight might be able to beat you or a mate that you were going to be with was going to be good or someone was going to be able to provide or your friend was going to be you know worthwhile so detecting belief had to be a skill that we've developed and i think we're very good at that we know when someone inherently is confident or whether they're cocky and insecure hiding something

you know so our belief detection is really good and i think so it's double when you look at these competitors because not only is their belief strong But the other person across from them can detect that belief to a certain degree and then that might start to shake their belief If they're like man this motherfucker for sure believes he's gonna kick my ass Yeah, is my belief enough to believe that that's not gonna happen You know, so it's this kind of contest of course both physically But I think people are kind of measuring each other and I I think that's an advantage that like, again, Conor McGregor has, I really believe that he believes that he is going to kick that other person's ass.

So the other person, when they're dealing with him, they're like, man, this motherfucker really believes this, you know, am I sure, am I sure that I'm going to win? And then that starts to cause doubt. And that doubt creates this negative cascade Yeah, isn't it fascinating how that works that the the other person can kind of somehow or another Sense your true state. Yeah, somehow or another you can put on the face of the confident person But they can go this motherfuckers bluffing right? I smell bluffing. He's shaky. There's something going on Yeah, you know I feel that with audiences Audiences know when your heads not there or when you're not right you could say the exact right words and the exact right order

The exact right amount of pauses, but if your intent isn't there if your mind isn't there It's like they don't they don't connect with it. It's just it's a form of hypnosis I really think that stand-up is some form of hypnosis. Yeah, so their belief detectors are active. If you don't really believe that you're in the pocket and you're delivering it the right way, they'll kind of sense that. And that's what I'm kind of trying it to. And then the opposite of that is fear.

Because fear is a belief of some probability that some shit, bad shit is going to happen. You know, so it's almost like a negative belief mechanism. Of course there's danger and having, you know, danger is real, but the fear that's on top of that danger, you know, that is a somewhat of a belief that some other bad shit is going to happen. And that's why it manifests. It's because it is a belief. It is a belief that something's going to happen. If you're afraid on stage that you're going to bomb, you know, that fear will start to wend its way into yourself and you'll create that because some part of you believes that's what's going to happen.

So it's almost like fear is the nocebo of regular everyday living, whereas belief is the placebo of everyday living. That's why it's so devastating when you think about people that, you know, talk about being bullied. Like some, some kids have go through, have gone through like really horrific bullying episodes as children. And, um, that those, when, when you think about what's happening, when you're getting bullied or, you know, you're scared of someone in your neighborhood or, you know, there's someone who's harassing you or stalking you, they become, it's almost like they become a virus in your mind. Where someone, like if you're in school, and you have to get on that fucking bus and go,

and this big fucker is going to smack you in the head every day, and you're going to be living in fear of this guy, trying to figure out where he is, that guy becomes like a virus in your head. And when you think of how meditation works how meditation is sort of resetting you and clearing all of the programs that are in there clearing all the things that seem to be externally dictating behavior when you're when you're when you're fighting especially when you're competing, and someone's beating you at something,

especially if they're talking shit, they're kind of hypnotizing you. Totally. Because they're planting their mind or their personality as a virus in your head. And then all of a sudden you are dealing with them like they're physically coming into your head and fucking with your head.

Well, you're not physically getting in their head at all. They just scored on you. You know, they're kicking your ass. They just leg kicked you. And they're like, what, bitch? And they pop you with a jab. You're like, fuck. Like, you're not, you know, you're not in his head at all.

No. He's fucking you up. Their belief is getting stronger while yours is getting weaker. Yes. Like, you are getting hypnotized as you're getting fucked up. Yeah. That's fascinating when you think about that. And it happens not only in the cage, but beforehand.

You know, you see those people who have gotten in someone else's head way early. And I wonder if this can be compared in some ways to the sense of loss we feel after relationships. Because with some people, there's a deep anger after relationships end, people break up. Because not only do they feel this sense of loss, but they feel like you took something from them. Like you took like a happiness. You took something. You took because they kind of become a part of you. You kind of link up with each other in some sort of weird way.

That's got to be similar to hypnosis in a way too. other in some sort of weird way that's got to be similar to hypnosis in a way too in that what's going on with all these things is the mind is far more malleable than we ever give it credit for being the personality is far more dependent upon whim and circumstance and influence than we ever really want it to be all these things are kind of playing out at the same time is it's not any one thing like so, these rigid structures that we think of as this is, well, his personality is like this. Well, he was

totally different once he hooked up with her. Of course! That bitch bewitched him! She hypnotized him! But she did. You know, she, like, women can, some women can do that to men, and some men can do that to women. They fucking turn them into a different person. Like, they bewitch you with their personality. You're getting sleepy, sleepy.

This dick is only for me. You know, like people do shit like that to each other, you know, and I think those, this, these connections of the mind are these like poorly understood interfaces that we have with each other, these poorly understood connections and that we want to, we want to just like, sometimes we can't handle it. We want to just get distance from all being one. Just give me, get some distance. I have to take time off, man. I'm going to go on a vacation. I got to get away from her. Other people aren't influencing your sphere. With relationships, I think it has a lot to do with attachment and identity. You get with someone and that becomes part of your identity.

I'm so-and-so's husband. I'm so-and-so's boyfriend. She's my girlfriend, my girlfriend. You know, it becomes this part, part of you, your, your ego, your sense of identity. And you get attached to that because it's feeding you with something that you think you need some validation. Maybe she's super hot and that helps you feel it's a, it's like a tricky little trap that helps you feel like, man, I'm the man, my girl is super hot, you know? So that part's inside you. And then trap that helps you feel like, man, I'm the man. My girl is super hot. So that part's inside you. And then she leaves and you're like, shit, maybe I'm not the man because that's what was feeding you. But the key to that is you got to get to a state of almost invincibility yourself where you don't need anything from anybody or anything.

You're just free to enjoy it. That's just extra on top of it. You're not borrowing anything from them to make up your identity. You're just enjoying the shit out of them and adding more, piling it on top. So when they leave, you're not really at a loss of anything. It's just, all right, I don't get to experience that extra good thing anymore. Yeah, most people don't see it that way because they watch John Cusack movies and they want to stand outside a chick's fucking house with a boombox playing some song they used to listen to before you banged.

Have you heard that country song? It's called Redneck Crazy. It's like the most absurd song ever. It's like, I'm going to park outside of your window and shine my lights through your window, throw beer cans at your shadow. You broke the wrong heart, baby. You made me redneck crazy. And it's like playing. And you'll just hear people humming along and singing it.

I mean, it's amazing. Jamie, do you want to bring that up? Don't even. Please don't. Let's pretend we didn't bring it up. It's unbelievable to hear because it's just patterning this crazy behavior that people have of this possession. That's my girl. And the fact that she's enjoying her life with someone else.

I think the song even says, did you think I was going to wish you well? I'm not that kind of man, baby, or something like that. Oh, you know, and it's like,

whoa, but that's a worm that's in our consciousness that we're supposed to feel like, you know, you took something from me. How dare you? I hope you're never happy again. But how about the balls to make a fucking song when you're talking about harassing someone's daughter?

Right. You know, because she doesn't want to fuck you anymore. Maybe you, that, look at that behavior and wonder why your personality sucks. Your personality sucks. That's why she left in the first place, you asshole. Throw a beer can at her fucking house. How about you grow up, baby? Yeah, baby is exactly the

word because it's she's so needy he needed what she was going to provide him like as if she's stuck with him forever right she's stuck like she can't do any better she wants to improve her life you're just drinking beer and hanging out by the lake fuck you dude you know yeah what is this here's the lyrics wish i knew how long it's been going on. Oh, she cheated on him. How long you been getting some on the side? Well, a little different. Nah, he can't amount to much by the look of that little truck. Oh, that's hilarious.

He can't amount to much because he has a small vehicle. Well, he won't be getting any sleep tonight. Oh, great. Okay. I'm going to lean my headlights into your bedroom windows, throw empty beer cans at both your shadows i didn't come here to start a fight but i'm up for anything tonight okay what you didn't come to start a fight what do you think's gonna happen you mocked his truck okay asshole you threw beer cans you have a you have a fucking spotlight that you use to poach deer

putting it through his window you know you broke the wrong heart baby and drove me redneck crazy redneck crazy do you think i'd wish you the best endless love and happiness you know that's just not the kind of man i am yeah i'm the kind that shows up at your house at 3 a.m oh my god i'm gonna lean my headlights into your bedroom windows throw beer it's blah blah blah redneck crazy redneck crazy there's the chorus. There's the chorus, fuck. But that, I mean, and people, it's playing on pop radio because it strikes a chord, and I think some girls think,

man, he really was into her. You know, he really loved her because look at what he's doing on the other side. And that's just a tricky little trap that we gotta transcend. The least of my concerns. My concerns is that there'll be guys that listen to it and think it's okay to

act like that. If a girl is so silly that she thinks, oh, he just loves him. That's why he's all doing that shooting up the house shit. You think he really wants to shoot up his fucking house? He's just letting her know he loves her. There's women who grow up like that. They have a

fucking black eye and they're having this conversation to their kid with a Marlboro hanging out of their mouth. Listen, sugar, your dad and I have a very passionate relationship and I push his buttons, you know, and he loves me. And if he didn't love me, he wouldn't fucking hit me. And I know it don't make sense to you right now, but someday it will. Yeah, that's it. That's what I'm worried about. That's this old paradigm that is in dire need of transcendence.

And the need is basically, you know, we have to be fully full. I think Don Miguel Ruiz makes the example of, you know, create enough self-love, enough self-satisfaction, enough inside yourself that you don't need anything from anybody else. Your kitchen is fully stocked, so you're not starving. You know, a lot of people, you stock your own kitchen with your own you know self-fulfillment and then you don't need to eat any little burger that comes on the side of the road or some hot dog from a stand whatever you can get because you're starving you got plenty to eat and that's i think the analogy that we need to have we need to be full and whole and we need to have standards as human beings we accept of ourselves like what you shouldn't accept from

yourself don't accept from yourself that you're the guy that's going to be outside someone's house at 3 o'clock in the morning shining a headlight through their fucking windows and throwing beer cans. Don't accept that you're that guy. You're not that. You can't be that guy. If you're that guy, no one's going to come to you for advice. No one's going to take you seriously. You're a fucking dumbass.

You're a dumbass child who gives in to every whim. It's like someone who comes after one stroke every time. I can't help it. You're a baby. You're a fucking baby. Learn some goddamn discipline. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, you feel lonely.

Yeah, you get depressed. Go on Tinder, stupid. Find some more chicks. They're everywhere. People want to fuck. They love it. That's why there's so many of us. What are you doing, man?

You tell me you get this one chick, you can't get another chick? Go get another one, stupid. And he will, too. That's the thing. Do you not have any friends tell me you get this one chick you can't get another chick go get another one stupid And he will too that's the thing do not have any friends Not have any friends anybody talks you through it and goes do do do come on. Let's go so what yeah people get so Goddamn connected when they date they get so fucking connected that they feel like you stole something from them You've been getting some pleasure from another entity i ain't tolerating it i sent us bust up your sleep patterns i'm gonna fuck with

your beta waves i'm gonna kick your fucking rim sleep right in the dick you fucked with me you fucked with my sleep i'm the type of fella that fucks with your sleep back yeah that's what he's doing there's a fucking baby yeah it's like my four-year-old my six-year-old we're having an argument today because my six-year-old was letting the four-year-old write on her paper for a while but then she's like write on your own paper and she wrote a little bit more and she's like I said write on your own paper that she wrote on her paper and she tried to write on her and they were going back and forth writing on each other's papers Like whoa whoa whoa settle the fuck down stop trying to hurt each other. This is not this is not a do with this

Okay, just this we got to learn how to communicate here, but they're foreign sex They're not a fucking 30 year old man with a pig truck big old jacked up Chuck Yeah, I with a pig truck, big old jacked up truck. I saw his little truck. He ain't got shit. He ain't a man. Kind of little ass truck. His fucking truck came from another country, too. Goddamn driving a Toyota truck.

What do you want, reliability? Yeah, that's the process of growing up. It should be learning to transcend those initial feelings. Like, yeah, that's of course reasonable when you're four and six. We're little monkeys in this crazy world. We're sorting shit out. But then as you get more practice at that, that should become more and more absurd with every passing year. If we just committed to that, committed to not going after people and fucking with people's lives,

like showing up at someone's house three o'clock in the morning and shining your headlights and throw just commit to never going there never doing that kind of shit like never showing up at someone's house is starting a fight never is all that put all that aside the world will get like 90% better like instantly if everyone had a standard of behavior like I could we kind of trust that you have, people in this town, they don't fight. You just, you talk things out. Most dudes in this town are rational. Imagine if you had a town like that.

You'd be like, where is this place? Oh, it's just, it's right outside of Seattle. This one town, like, everyone's cool. Like, what? That might become Colorado. But could you imagine? It might be. It might be, like, spreading out of Denver right now.

Like, the epicenter of the fucking cannabis nucleus. It is possible, if you could get a group of friends like we have we have a group of like 15 dudes that I would Give a million bucks to in a bag and never counted if they gave it back to me. There's only 15 of us But for most people it's hard to find fucking people like that But if you got town if you had a town of 100 percenters 100% down, 100 percent all you know, just you could count on them for everything. They are who they are. God damn what a great town that would be.

No one would ever get in fist fights. And I think that's a big key of how to improve our situation is maybe we won't be able to get the whole town, but we can start getting these tribes around us. Like you're saying, you have these 15 people, yeah they don't all live together, but through travel and through talking, you end

up interacting with all these people anyways, so it kind of insulates you. You have your own tribe of these people that we trust impeccably and that can help improve our lives, and I think that's a major part that's missing. We're missing that sense of tribe where we would give absolutely anything. It's not like,

oh, could I stay in your guest bedroom? Fucking of course you could stay in my guest bedroom. Like what? Don't even ask that silly question. You could do anything that's mine is yours. That feeling that's innate to us. I think we're going to have to start trying to get that back because I think we need that. I mean, that's the kind of creature that we are.

Yeah, I agree. And I think that, you know, you know how Uriah Faber has it hooked up, where he owns like a block? Yeah. He has like a bunch of – he's so smart. That dude is just so clever in a bunch of different ways. Very good businessman. Very clever in, you know, how he set himself up outside of the UFC. He has a bunch of houses he flips and stuff.

And he's always got something going on. Owns real estate. But him and all these Alpha Male guys, that's their team, Team Alpha Males, one of the top level, high level gyms in the country, particularly for the lighter weight classes. They have 135 pound champion TJ Dillashaw, and there's a wealth of real good talent in there, including guys you haven't even heard of yet that you will hear of soon. But the point being is he's got it set up where he can kind of do whatever the fuck he wants you know he has it set up where he's got you know he's got the housing business

he's got the gym he runs he's got all these different things going on at the same time that's uh that's a pretty sweet place to be in of course well he's got his tribe that actually lives yeah right near him which is obviously the best case scenario. Yeah, they're all living on one street. Houses that they all own. They just bought houses next to each other. That's so clever. Absolutely. Nobody does that. Everybody says they want to do that, but nobody does that.

Nobody does. And it's probably the single thing that would improve people's quality of life way more than the neighborhood or whatever other reasons they're living somewhere is being around the proximity of those people who enrich your life, make it better. Well, Uriah's a real leader. You know, what he's figured out how to do there is to create this atmosphere. First of all, super supportive, recruits guys. Recruited T.J. Dillashaw, who's the champ in his weight class. And then when they offered him a shot at T.J. recently, he's like, you know what?

I'll fight Frankie Edgar at 145. Let's have a fucking super fight. Let's get crazy. You know, you gotta love that, right? You got to love that he thinks like that. I just love that setup of all the houses on a block. Yeah, and, you know, that's going to be possible for some, and I think that's great.

And one of the great things about what he's done, to really make tribe, you got to go back to ritual and these different bonding experiences that allow you to reach that level of trust. You know, shared suffering. You know, the people that you've been in combat together, like Uriah and all those people. That says a lot, because at a certain point, there's a lot of ways to test people, you know, to a certain degree and go through something together.

Obviously, physical exertion like that, like rolling with somebody, you learn a ton about them. Or doing a psychedelic experience with somebody. You know, you both drink a coffee cup full of ayahuasca, you're going to learn a lot about somebody at that point. Same with all of these different rituals that have been developed. Put your hand in a mitt full of bullet ants, you're going to learn a lot about a motherfucker, what happens when that pain hits and it's overwhelming.

You know, and those were key parts of these societies that we've lost. And it just kind of happens to certain people, and you get this closeness, you know, and I think intentionally bringing that back is going to be really important as well, as these new tribal units form. Well, we have education. And as far as mathematics, we have education, as far as history, we have education, as far as grammar and English and language and literature and all these different things that we teach as standard in school, but we don't teach men, especially we don't teach men martial arts. And I think that martial arts just

know having the ability to understand how to use your body to defend yourself psychologically alleviates so much pressure that some people just face and go through life with. They can't defend themselves. And the psychological relieving of that, I think, is an aid to enhancing and understanding other aspects of your life. Also, along the way, along the way you're doing martial arts, you're doing something difficult and it's, you push yourself very hard and you learn about like, what are these, what are these feelings inside you that make you want to quit when you know you can keep going? If the instructor goes, keep going, keep going, 30 seconds left. You're like doing a flurry on the bag and you just want to stop. Like if you were alone, you would stop,

but you keep going. And then you understand that you can keep going. And then you understand, okay, well, if I can keep going here, I can keep going in a sparring session. If I can keep going in a sparring session, I can keep going in competition. I can count on myself to when I feel really fucking uncomfortable to hold it together because I've experienced that state. I understand what it is. And I refuse to let the limiting negative aspects of that state affect my performance what it is, and I refuse to let the limiting negative aspects of that state affect my performance. I will do everything that my body's physically capable of doing and nothing less. I'm not going to sell it short with a weak mind. But until you've experienced that, it's very difficult to have any confidence in your ability to overwhelm

any sort of adversity or overcome any sort of adversity. You don't really ever know if you can do it. So you're always going to have this this weird thing and the difference between men that I know that have Experienced that and do it you know do difficult things and even do not even fighting stuff like that You the same piece you get out of dudes who are like ultra marathon runners sure guys you try athletes pushing through that resistance They push through who they are they understand who they are better than most people and they're just a little bit more aware It's a little bit more aware There's a I think especially martial arts does that because of the emotional aspect of the the training It's so terrifying sparring terrifying all of it, but in getting through that it like makes everything else brighter

It makes everything else lighter It's like it gives you it gives you more freedom with your mind than if you're tussling with these ideas. If you're tussling constantly with the fear of being like physically incapable of defending yourself. I think it's a massive deficit. It's kind of a perfect storm of two things because you're pushing through immense physical suffering at a certain point, which is incredibly valuable, plus immense fear. And a lot of other things have maybe one of the two, like marathon running, immense physical suffering at a certain point, which is incredibly valuable, plus immense fear. And a lot of other things have maybe one of the two, like marathon running, immense physical suffering, no fear. Big wave surfing, immense fear, no physical suffering,

except maybe when you get crashed into some coral or something bad happens. And those are good practices, but I think what you're hitting on is that martial arts hits both. And so you have to transcend both. So you'll respond well in situations that are causing fear to come up and you'll respond well in situations that are particularly challenging on the physical aspect of things. And it's almost like the opposite of that famous Musashi quote, which said, know the way broadly and you'll see it all things. Know the way narrowly and you will be able to apply it broadly. You know, if you reach really great levels in something specific

like that, you'll be able to use that for the rest of your life and everything. It's just, I really think it should be almost required, almost required. And it doesn't mean you have to be good at it. Just do it to, just to get your, your state in a better place, get your mental state in a better place. Especially jujitsu, I think. Yeah, because you have no head trauma risk. No head trauma. Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah. And just, I just think people need to do difficult things. And I think life is too goddamn easy.

It's too soft for most people. As far as like character building. Like character is only like built necessarily under pressure. It's very hard to build character, you know, when you're just a person who's won the lottery when you're three and you sat around all day eating cake, you just, where's your character? Like, why, where is it coming from? Like, you kind of have to go through some shit. And I think that's one of the issues with a lot of people in this kind of new age movement in this, the, you know, hippies, if you want to call them or whatever your name for them, you know,

might be the people in that consciousness movement, let's say, is that them, you know, might be, the people in that consciousness movement, let's say, is that there, you know, there's some part of you when you meet some of them who haven't really been tested where you think, I see that you haven't really tested yourself under immense pressure. You know, and you get this kind of feeling like, what happens if things really get shitty? Am I going to be able to count on you and trust you? All of these things that you're proposing, are they all going to go to shit? I have an instinct, you know,

I have an instinct that they might. And so I think everybody on both sides are, are missing this kind of the dualism of having both of being able to reach, you know, high levels of consciousness, but also put yourself on a mat with someone who, you know, inevitably in 30 know inevitably in 30 seconds to five minutes is going to choke you out. You know, like know that you're going to go through that and what that goes through your body. Being able to do both, I think is the next wave. You know, too many times people are on the polarity of that. You know, they're one or the other. They're either really good at the jujitsu side, but they haven't, you know, pushed through the realms of consciousness, either through kundalini or psychedelics or meditation or these other things. And conversely, really good at the jujitsu side, but they haven't, you know, pushed through the realms of consciousness,

either through kundalini or psychedelics or meditation or these other things. And conversely, on the other side, they haven't tasted what it's feel like to push through extreme fear and adversity. Yeah, it's almost like your car that you're driving through life will work better if you like running over more mountains it'll work better if you you know put it in danger it'll work better if you slam on the brakes more it'll work better like that's this is what your vehicle is like you're in in this compromising situation that we're in it's not compromised it's amazing we're in the best spot ever as far as like human history like we have great medicine we have great education information is available to basically any human being can get a world-class education online but because of everything being so easy to get food and easy to get a you know take care of yourself in comparison to how it was when you're fighting off predators.

You don't really use your body that much. You don't really, not a lot's going on. Not a lot of stress on the brain as far as like death, life or death situations. There's not a lot of fleeing at full speed, running for your life,

trying to get up a tree as quick as you can. There's not a lot of that. And that sort of diminishes potential. They did this thing on hunter-gatherers and the difference between the bone structure of the hunter-gatherer and the bone structure of the modern-day man. And they're looking at modern humans

and, like, the deterioration of the mass of the bones and the hands are getting smaller and the tendons are getting weaker. And, like, we're like we're becoming Like those goddamn gray aliens I mean we're like slowly but surely going from what we think of as a caveman like just fucking gnarly Those Neanderthals especially they were like five foot five two hundred plus pounds just tanks Giant bones and fucking thick heads and shit

And I mean they were out there huffing it every day and because we're not doing that everything is like feminizing, everything is like thinning, everything is like becoming weaker and weaker and weaker and then we're missing out on a key element of the magic of this

fucking experience, you know, this turn in this dimension, part of the fun of it is feeling what the body can do and feeling those feelings and if and if we turn into that gray alien type we're gonna be fucking bummed out you know i mean i actually had a vision of that in my ayahuasca session the last one that i went on where the great this alien being came in and he was and i was like well what's it like being an alien do you have anything to tell me and because he was just chilling there and he says well being human is very enviable because for us you know we have no physicality in our realm anymore that's been that's gone

and you get to experience everything and he showed me these visions of exactly that like wrestling and fucking and eating crazy in that order no but but everything that we get to do all of the physical pleasures of this world he's like yeah there's you know there's other pleasures of of this other realm this realm of pure consciousness where everything is smooth we're generally in a state of bliss but we're missing the extremes of these physical pleasures. So human life is enviable. And to just discard that, say, nah, I'm not interested. We're fucking missing out, man. You're missing out on vitality. You know, that's something that, especially people that don't exercise, they don't, they don't take that into consideration when they dismiss it as being some ego propping device. Oh, what are you doing, curls there?

You're building up your quads, man. You're fucking smart. You know, they somehow or another try to diminish the intelligence of what you're doing by pointing out the benefits of it, by pointing out that your muscles are larger and stronger. Somehow you must be stupid. You know what I mean?

It's an adorable thing that they do because it's so transparent. It's like it's an adorable thing that they do it's like it's because it's so Transparent it's so obvious like you're being so silly that you're going through life with that shit body That's what's really going on like if you just exercise like pretty much everybody that exercises get stronger It really works. You know they've been doing it for years I just keep doing it man You just keep doing it you get stronger when you When you get stronger, your body works better. When your body works better, you do stuff easier.

Well, it's so clearly the ego just restructuring a value system so that they can be on top. Oh, what's important? Well, not this. That's actually a diminishment. So therefore, I'm on top. And pretending that somehow or another that if you are fit or if you're muscular or strong, that somehow or another you must be diminished mentally because that energy that you put into getting those muscles,

you weren't studying. And you want to go, are you studying all day, you fuck? Are you studying 23 hours a day? You're not. Then you have an hour to go to the gym. Just go to the gym. It's not that hard. You're talking about something that's not nearly as difficult

as you're trying to pretend. You're pretending it's like a lifestyle 24-7 choice that you have to make and you've trying to pretend. You're pretending it's like a lifestyle 24-7 choice that you have to make, and you've got to keep away from knowledge. You can get just as smart. John Donaher, who's one of the most brilliant people you're ever going to meet, jiu-jitsu instructor from New York, he was a philosophy major, and he was a bodybuilder at the same time.

He was into powerlifting and shit when he first found jiu-jitsu, and he took jiu-jitsu. And he took jiu-jitsu because he wanted to have some skills in case he was in altercations as a bouncer, because he was making a living doing that at night while he was a student. So it's like this idea that somehow or another, strength or masculinity, it goes hand in hand with being an idiot. It's hilarious that they've actually managed to somehow or another, not they, like it's some concerted effort, but the weak souls amongst us that don't want to really look at themselves honestly.

Yeah. Well, and then the meatheads have the same prejudices on the other side. They think, oh, you're doing yoga. Woo, woo, bullshit. How many dicks you suck at yoga today? Yeah, exactly. So they have this same prejudice when really eventually you know the wisest of us are just going to drop all that

and say hey I want to fucking do it all because that's what's capable for the human being. That's what we're here to do. Experience everything we can. Yeah that's what we really should all be doing. It's like this idea that you have to be in one camp or another camp like we're way closer to each other than

we like to think and the moment we start looking at each other as like us or them you know like I've had conversations with with people they find out that you know you voted Democrat like oh Christ you're fucking one of them are you mean to tell me and they're like we'll ramp up their voice like whoa dude yeah relax relax you know like we're not necessarily in an argument here you know I guarantee you there's a lot of shit that I agree with that you agree with too like we're probably a lot closer Than you think a lot of things well, you know, it was the biggest fucking Muslim in this country's Obama Yeah, we're getting those conversations like course dude. I can't even talk to you about that. I don't even know where to begin

I don't know I don't know where this is going but they think that you are the enemy like you get roped into the enemy and some that you get categorized but if there was no democrat there was no republican there was no teams there was just a bunch of stances and positions on on issues that we would be we'd all be way closer than when didn't you think just when you vote when you have representatives and one is blue and one is red and you're playing some weird fucking, like, board game. Like, what is this? There's a blue team and a red team?

Do you know how fucking stupid that is? There's blue states and red states. It's like the divisiveness of that, almost something designed to keep people at odds with each other. Because if you looked at it in terms of just the issues, then you could debate the issues individually on their own merit. And they wouldn't be attached. Like pro-life is constantly attached to the right. You know, there's certain gay rights constantly attached to the left. You know, health care reform, left.

You know, finances, anything finances, anything that benefits business, right. You know, it's hilarious. It's so adorable that they've managed to package all this stuff. Well, they're hacking into the dark side of tribalism. And the dark side of tribalism is when you have a group and fuck everybody else because they're trying to take what I have. And all of these setting up of these camps is like a mental hack into this instinctual quality that we developed. And you see these setting up of these camps is like a mental hack into this instinctual quality

that we developed. And you see it in even sports fans, you know, these hooligans when their English soccer team in red wins or the blue one wins, that's their whole life. They're punching people, they're stabbing people, they're trampling people, whatever, this crazy identification with someone who's putting a ball in a net but it's the tribalism aspect that that people are playing on and i think politicians and everybody have kind of played to that when we realize when you level all of that yeah you can have your tribe you know and that's good but be ware of the dark side which is these are my people fuck everybody else even the preppers kind of doomsday preppers have this kind of idea like I got this thing and fuck everybody else those people are crazy

That shit is not gonna work. You're gonna take your shit. You know everyone's gonna find out they saw you on TV Dummy they know where you have your pickles buried like what do you? Have an asshole are you that prepares for the worst but shows everybody your house? Yeah, and this is where we have our ammo Oh, well now I know where to get the ammo. When the fucking zombie apocalypse hits, I just get into the garage and I got the ammo. And then you decide which family with two kids comes knocking on your door. You give the food to.

It's just this kind of weird. Yeah, it's crazy. It's this kind of weird thing. Whereas I think seeing everybody as that could be me in a different circumstance in a different way. That's me. Oh, that's me. That's me. That's a really cool practice to do, actually, that I've done as well.

Go out to a beach somewhere and imagine yourself as each individual. Oh, that's me. I can see maybe where my thoughts have created this body type and this thing. And obviously you're just playing a game, but you're putting yourself actually in everybody's position and understanding they're not that fucking different. They just had different genetics, different backgrounds, and different choices that they made. Yeah, I've talked about it on stage

that I had this experience. I wrote about it. I had this experience when my first daughter was about to be born, and I was in Hawaii, and I was on a boat, and I was super high. And these dolphins were jumping around next to the boat and I was just I was I was on this insane edible I was so far gone that I had this like weird connection with these dolphins and I realized like how intelligent they

were and I I thought like I wonder if they're like people I wonder if like I lived a dolphin's life I would be like a dolphin like if you lived like people. I wonder if, like, I lived a dolphin's life, I would be like a dolphin. Like, if you lived in that water, like, if you have, you think of you, who you are, and if you were in a dolphin's body, I wonder if you literally would be a dolphin. Then I thought about it, and I was like, what if that's how every human being is? That we're all exactly the same thing, but we're living through different biological filters, different life experiences, different genetics. But if you lived my life, you would would be me and if I lived your life

I would be you and then it's an illusion and that's what the illusion of separateness is really all about The everyone's like there's not an illusion dude this guy beat the shit out of me. I don't know him. He's not me I'm not him that guy's a dick You know I mean like people have that all that girl fucking cut my hair that is not me cutting my hair trust me We are not one. I'm gonna fucking stab that hoe you know like but if you lived her life like that's where the illusion is the illusion is that because we live these separate experiences that if we all had the agreement that we treat each other as if it was us living another life the world would instantly be better instantly if we could pass that,

I mean, everybody wants to pass. There's all sorts of radical ideologies that people push. There's all sorts of radical religions and behavior choices and all sorts of different things that people want other people to subscribe to and want other people to adhere to.

But if there's a really simple one, a really simple one, that's almost a one-liner. Treat everybody as if it's you living another life.'s and if you did do that if you if it turned out to be true if we some fucking Nobel Prize winning egghead figured out in a laboratory that if like you could literally take the essence of who is Aubrey Marcus and throw it in Jamie Vernon's body you'd be Jamie if you lived his life up until now,

if they proved it mathematically. And I think, and I think that's possible. And what you're hitting on is, you know, I call it, so there's the golden rule. Yeah. Do unto others as you would do unto yourself.

Yeah. But I think there's the platinum rule, you know, which supersedes that, which very well might be do unto others because they are yourself. You know, motherfucker just rewrote the golden rule. Did you hear that Motherfucker just rewrote the golden rule. Did you hear that?

That motherfucker just rewrote the golden rule. It's the platinum rule. The fucking platinum rule is better than the golden rule. Yeah. Damn, dude. That's strong. That's a very strong statement and you're totally dead on. Yeah.

Treat them as if it's you. Yeah. Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah, treat them because it is you. Yeah, because it is you yeah because you know it's you in a different life in a different filter and different biological switches that have been hit I think that's why it's so hard to be around people that are falling apart I was at the Comedy Store the other night and this woman who used to be a comedian I don't think

she's a comedian anymore came around and she was drunk and fucked up and confused and she hadn't done stand-up in a long time And she's probably like close to 60 now. She's old as fuck, but it just never worked out She's never she was like only an open mic er like 20 years ago She kind of would always kind of hang around still and to see her now You know it's it's it's really hard to see someone like like she she would try to talk to us But no one could tell anything and everyone's everyone's terrified she's going to say, hey, can you guys put me up some night? Put me up on your show?

You know, everyone's terrified she's going to ask for some sort of comedy help, you know. But you've got to think, like, what does it feel like to be that person? Like, what synapses don't fire? What life experience stunts your emotional growth? What puts you in the state of denial what gives you these blinders that you can't realize the fact that the audience sees you in a way that you don't see yourself so this is this comedy thing is never going to work like you don't even know what you look like you don't know what you sound like you don't know how you

behave and and then you see it like manifesting itself 20 plus years later in this disastrous wreck of kind of crazy lady. And you're like, wow, man, that could have been me. You know, if I was born in her body, I lived her life. And you take into consideration how difficult it is to turn from that state and improve. Like we almost give someone no chance. Like you never meet someone who's a total fucking loser at 40, and then you meet him at 45,

and he's like the best guy ever. Like, nobody does it. Momentum is a motherfucker. It's really hard to change. But when you have that attitude where you start looking at people, just as you said, that could be me, the only proper response is empathy.

You know, even if it's someone that perpetrates something against you, and this is, you know, a really challenging thing to do, yeah, you know, even if it's someone that perpetrates something against you, and this is, you know, a really challenging thing to do, yeah, you know, you want to prevent that. If someone goes to fuck you up, then fuck them up.

That's fine. That's your right to defend yourself and protect. But not do it out of anger. Do it out of, you know, Necessity. Out of necessity. And then the only feeling

that you should have towards that is a feeling of pity. It's too bad that that person got to a place where they had to do that, where that was what their decision mechanism was. And it doesn't mean that you just accept it, but it means that that's really the only thing. But instead we like to, you know, keep up this illusion of separateness, like, fuck that guy. And we're on stuff, shit. Yeah, exactly. But really only pity,

only pity and empathy really come from that. And that's a real state of bliss. You know, like the Tibetan monks, that's what they're meditating on all the time is getting to that state of empathy. Well, to get to that state of empathy, just look at everybody like they're yourself. And that's the key way to get in there. Yeah. Try pushing that in the public school system. Imagine that was like one of the key tenants of the public school system. That would work, man.

Yeah? It really would work. It's almost like a little, a simple key. Unlocks a totally different style of thinking. Start doing little, you know, little things where it's like, what would, you know, put yourself in that other person's body? Like, right from their perspective. Or I don't know what school drills you could do. Like, write a story as this person, your friend, you know, and, and then tell them what, you know, feel what it's like to go through there, like live these other multiple lives and

you'll have, you'll understand that. Yeah. You know, that could be me and what, and it'll start to evaporate that from an early age. I think putting it in the school system is brilliant. I think that's what needs to happen. Yeah, there's a lot of things that need to happen with the school system, but that would definitely help the way, if that was taught as a tenet in school instead of reading the fucking Pledge of Allegiance, you know?

I mean, to the Republic for which it stands, stop. What does that mean? Do you guys know what that means? What does that mean? What does that mean? One nation under God? You know, that didn't even exist, kids, until the fucking Red Scare of the 1950s He used to say one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all when we had a fight off the goddamn commies We put it God under God you fucks I mean most people think that that was like how this nation was founded one nation under God

No that that was in the 50s But everybody was losing their fucking mind and we're going on trial on a regular basis for being Communists they were blackballing people that look Think of the crazy shit that you and I have done and think of if we were living in the 1950s They thought did you in fact go to the jungle of Peru? Mr. Marcus and did did you, in fact, imbibe in several toxic medicines? You would look like a fucking complete nut if they brought you into some sort of a

court setting in the 1950s. But back then, you couldn't even go to a communist meeting. You couldn't go, like, what is this about? What are you guys pushing? You're pushing socialism? And what does that mean? Like, no one, you know, you do whatever you want? Like, do you get paid by the government? Like you how do you contribute?

Where's the money coming from like maybe just go and try to figure out what the fuck everyone's talking about and especially amongst creative folk I'm sure there's always been a lot of alternative thinkers whether errant or on the right track There's been a lot of weird people that think outside of the box always so in the 1950s These guys are probably looking at communism and going okay let's see look i i got my fucking my uh fortune read by dianetics once whatever i read did one of those stress meters i said okay let me see what you got what if i got on a list because of that man you know like this was this was what was going on when they put under god in our pledge of eletions it was that kind of madness insane thinking they had to put, you know...

Yeah, well, these witch hunts have existed, and again, tapping into these old mechanisms, these fear responses, these tribalism instincts. And, you know, these witch hunts, we think, oh, the witch hunts are over. Well, at one point, they're called witch hunts because they were literally hunting witches, throwing them in the water, and seeing if they would swim, you know? And if they drowned, then they weren't a witch. If they swum, they were in the water and seeing if they would swim, you know, and if they drowned, then they weren't a witch. If they swum, they were a witch and even worse shit happened to them. So you're, you're completely fucked either way. They weren't a witch. So sorry about your kid, Mr. Johnson. I thought she was a witch. It turns out she was just a shitty swimmer.

Yeah. So that was the witch hunt, but that's going on today and it's going on, you know, the area that we see it the most is in these psychedelic medicines. You know, people are being hunted for manipulating their own consciousness. You know, even with scientific research coming back that it's beneficial, they're being, you know, hunted down in these kind of crazy ways and thrown in cages for manipulating their own consciousness. It's crazy. Yeah, there's not too many people getting arrested and thrown in jail for doing it. They're getting arrested and thrown in jail for selling it.

But either way, you know, it's all stupid. You should be able to sell things that are good. It's really that simple. This idea of these people that are non-experienced in these states of mind, they don't really know what they're talking about from a personal level, dictating the legality of those experiences is ridiculous. And if those are the people that are locking you up, I'm kind of on your side.

You should be able to sell mushrooms. Did you grow it? Yeah, you deserve some money. Did you grow tomatoes? Yeah, I'll pay you for those too. I don't want to have to grow my own. How are people supposed to get it if people don't sell it? What the fuck are we talking?

He's a farmer. He's a fucking farmer of awesome shit. Yeah. And that's what a mushroom dealer is. He's a farmer of awesome shit. He's not a drug dealer, you dunce. And you're subject to the whims of these people. And that's the people that are willing to lock you in a cage in the first place.

They're fools. Like, this is like the worst way to deal with someone who's doing something to alter their consciousness, to put them in a fucking cage. Like, this is the worst. You're going to think he was paranoid before, you know? Imagine if you go to jail for weed, how fucking paranoid you get when you get high. Yeah. I mean, it's preposterous.

Imagine if we were the owner of a pretty smart pet. You know, let's say we had a pet chimpanzee. You know, it's a very smart pet. And the chimpanzee found something that reliably made him laugh his ass off and made him a better chimpanzee. You know, what kind of owner would we be if we took that chimp and then threw him in the worst conditions in the tiniest cage and took away his freedom for doing that? We'd think that person is a fucking despot. Call animal control. He's a fucking despot call animal control He's a fucking crazy person. It's called law enforcement

You're obviously not aware of what goes on there on the highways and byways of America's greats. I pledge of allegiance to the flag Instead I pledge to treat everybody as if it's me living another life Yeah, if we start off every class like that every every school i pledge to treat everybody i meet as if it's me living another life if everybody adheres to that everybody across the board god damn that would be a better place wouldn't be so much ferocious competition now that would suck some fun shit happens when you don't like your opponent you know that's true but i don't know that that that has to go you I mean, I think that you can look at that opponent like, all right, he's the motherfucking mountain that's going to bring the best out of me.

You know, and then so you're going to want to find that. Like, I loved it when Daniel Cormier said, I mean, obviously the fight wasn't that great, but he said, you know, I've been waiting my whole life for a man who's my equal. Jon Jones, be that man. You know, that idea, I think, embodies the beauty of what MMA can be. It's like finding somebody that'll push you to the point

that you've never been pushed before. And I think that'll still exist, even in this state. You'll just look at them like, that could be me. This is me. No worries. We'll see what we can do

to bring the best out of each other. Yeah, but not if you, if you hate them, it's better. It's better to watch. It's richer. When two people, but not if you if you hate them. It's better Watch rich two people hate each other. It's better to watch It's Richard sure when there's some shit talking going on like we're talking about the chocolate del Tito Ortiz fight Like when Chuck Lindell and Tito they hate didn't like each other. There's a lot of bad blood So when Chuck beat up Tito that roar was like extra juicy Oh, you know it was extra crazy to watch because there's so much like when Ronda Rousey fought Misha Tate.

They went through that whole season, the ultimate fight together. Fuck you. There's all this fucking craziness and all this anger. Then Ronda beats her ass and gets her in an armbar again after all that. You're like, wow, that was wild to watch. You're watching something super primal. You're not just watching it on a

technical level where you watch two very high level martial artists. She was the first person to push her, you know, deep into the second and third round. I think she caught her in the fourth round, if I remember correctly. It was third or fourth. But point being, like, they just didn't like each other. And that made it juicier. It raises the emotional stakes. And I think that's also what's interesting, too.

Like how are they going to perform when the stakes are even this high and even this high and even this high and when they hate each other you know that it just escalates things you know to an even higher degree and that's i think why we even like watching the playoffs is it's not that somebody gets a little trophy and that's part of it but it's oh now the stakes are higher now people are going to be crying after the game if they lose and they're going to be ecstatic if they win unlike unlike the regular season where it's like, yeah, okay, it's just a game. When the stakes get higher, it becomes more interesting because we're interested in the reaction that humans are going to have in these different scenarios. Yeah, we wonder how we would fare. I remember being a kid and watching boxing matches and seeing guys get beat up against the ropes or something like that. And you almost see yourself moving.

You're trying to figure out, what should he do? He's got to get out of there. He's got to hit that guy. But you don't really know how to fight, but you're still watching it. And you're just like, ah, ah. It's like you're putting yourself sort of in there in some way. You're watching it. Especially back then, I always had a know as I was rooting for this guy

I was rooting for that guy, you know You know, he's like boxing fans would always have like you'd have like a guy you'd pick like I'm a de la Hoya fan Yeah, fuck him bro Who this is a shot as a shit like people would have those those fucking guys that they would stick with and when your guys Getting beat up or he's in trouble. Yeah Appreciating it on a technical level. You're almost like, oh! You're almost like getting beat up yourself.

I remember one of the most terrifying moments I had because I've done striking since I was little, never that serious, but I had a lot of instructors who were very complimentary early. So they had me believing that, man, Aubrey, you hit someone. They're done, son. I had this kind of false belief, and obviously once I started sparring, I realized that that wasn't the case. But I had some remnants of that that I was carrying. And then I saw Kimbo Slice in one of these street fights, right?

Oh, yeah. And a bare-knuckle fight. And this other huge dude catches him with a left hook. And Kimbo just drops his hand and goes, Hit me again, motherfucker. Hit me again. And just leans forward with his head. And the other dude hits him again and does nothing.

Does nothing. Now you're dead, motherfucker. And then catches him with his uppercut and just blows up his face. Exploded his face. And I was like, there's nothing I could do to that guy if he was that fired up and charging. And it was this terrifying moment where you realize what your boundaries are in the world you know like I couldn't hit him and knock him out you know everything I'd been told was bullshit there's no way I could do anything to that man at that point well physical

size and structure is so giant and he actually knows how to fight too you know but physical size and structure so fucking fucking big. It's so important. We look at it in terms of its success in weight classes. And the really big, strong guys don't necessarily tend to be the best guys in the weight class. It's about whose body is optimized for that weight class. So you don't really want to be carrying around a lot of muscle. But if you are and someone's smaller than you, it makes you better. It makes you fucking

bigger and stronger and everything works better it might not work as good against another guy who's 240 pounds who's like got a leaner body and better lungs but you know Kimbo Slices a goddamn giant human being who can punch people in the face all the time with no gloves on yeah like jesus he's fighting again you know he's fighting ken shamrock he was a guy that you know i think never really fought to what his physical capability was like his hardware had a certain potential like the limits on it like if you look at him like a computer is like oh it's got this much you know these attributes this much remedy this much memory this much ram blah blah but the software running it inside the cage i felt like never optimized what his gifts were you know another one of those interesting

things where psychologically it didn't bring the best out of what his frame could be yeah that's interesting man you know he had problems before he ever even got on the ultimate fighter with his knees his knees are pretty significantly diminished he has like serious like bone on bone like arthritis type conditions in his knees yeah and so like for him like grappling is an issue kicking is an issue all those things are issues you know and he you know he had a lifetime of sports football and you know did a lot of uh striking training obviously all the over the years man chewed that shit up. Especially football. Football's brutal on the knees, man.

Carrying porn stars in and out of limos. That happens. He's got to do that a lot. He's got to do that. They're probably light for him. Yeah, probably. He's also, he's in a weird time. He might be a little too late for all the rejuvenation shit that they're coming up with right now.

Their 3D mapping meniscus, you seen this dude they have some like it was some article about how their 3d mapping essentially what it looks like it's like a scaffolding for meniscus and there's certain proteins in this they insert it into the space between your joint you know where your meniscus is which you know now when you get it scoped like i have my i have my left knee scoped a few years back like you don't get any extra padding back. It's it. Like your padding is diminished now. Like the knee doesn't bother me.

It feels way better than when it was fucked up. But now what they're doing is they're just taking it all out. And they're putting this 3D thing that they 3D print. And with these proteins in it, your body starts building meniscus inside this framework somehow or another. I might be totally butchering this, but essentially they have artificial meniscus for the first time ever. They really weren't able to fix that thing. There's actually two different solutions, I think, currently on the horizon, but this knee meniscus generated with 3D implant. Look at this. You can watch it.

It's just a perfect fit. I mean, we're going to get to the point where our bodies are just like cars. You know, you can upgrade any system. You can change it out. And I think the crazy thing that we alluded to, there'll come a point where I believe we'll be able to upload our consciousness into a brand new car. to a brand new car you know and that will be the point of of immortality to a certain degree because you could just keep creating these new cars and then create just upload your car oh shit i fucking fucked this one up i got cancer i crashed it no worries let me hop over into this other one what if that's hell what if that's hell what if the what if heaven is just getting over

this body and and achieving the next state of consciousness which is non-local completely undependent upon your physical prison but you were like dude you were just going to get out of jail and you decided to transfer your sentence to some cyber prison where you'll live in your own mind forever and ever and ever repeating yourself ad nauseum through space instead you could have been one with the great consciousness of the universe especially if no one who passed over to the other side could communicate you know they'd be just yelling from the other don't do it just die you'll see it's amazing you get to start again and you get to start again anyways and it's more

awesome because you get this side and then that side. Who fucking knows, man? I'm not totally enthusiastic about the prospect of becoming one of those gray aliens, though. No. Me neither. I've been talking about that for years, about that simulation theory. I talked to this guy, Richard Turiel, who's from the JPL Laboratories. When I was doing that Joe Rogan Questions Everything show. And for whatever reason, when you talk for whatever reason we talked like a serious legitimate working scientist

An actual you know doctor of science He talked to them about it. It just makes it seem like way more palatable than if you talk to Duncan When Duncan talks about it, it seems a little bit more sexy But this guy what he was saying essentially is that it's, it's basically inevitable that we're going to come up with some sort of an artificial reality that is indiscernible from the reality that we're currently enjoying. It's going to be artificial. We're going to create it. We're going to be totally manipulated. It's going to evolve over time. It's going to get better and better as the technology moves on and on. It's going to get to a point where it's, you, you literally

not going to be able to tell the difference. And if that's the case, has that already happened? And if it has already happened, would you be able to be aware of it? What would you be if we had gotten past this? Well, if you go back to fucking gorillas, you look at gorillas, you look at lower primates, you look at these dick swinging monkeys hanging out in Africa, you know, they're just swinging from tree to tree until somebody figured out how to become a person right over all these years However the hell it went Look at what they look like look at a gorilla and then look at a person and look at the feminized person of the modern Era and then look at those goddamn aliens. It's almost like that's the archetype like we know that's coming like we know the big head

No mouth you don't need to talk your you wear permanent sunglasses because you fucked up the ozone layer you know, your skin is like some sort of gray bulletproof material that we've you know, you don't have any sex organs because you can experience any pleasurable kundalini yoga state in your mind anytime you want like regular blowjobs is just not that exciting

when you can, you know, travel from dimension to dimension, that might even be how they're arriving and going back and forth. But there might be a part of them that misses head, misses muscle cars, misses whiskey. Obviously the vision state, you don't know if it's real or in your mind, whatever.

I don't even make that discernment. But when I was in that vision state and talking to them, they missed it. They missed it. They missed it. We're lucky. We're in the right spot. We got the honey hole.

This is the Goldilocks zone of life. We get to access everything. We're lucky. We're in the right spot. We got the honey hole. This is the Goldilocks zone. That's it. We get to access everything. We get to access everything and we get it was a time where we're sort of working it out. Like there's a culture people are working it out. I think it's a lot of like Though the in the working out there's like a lot of noise and chaos and shit that's going on I think tea party people and fucking Occupy people and you know There's a lot of there's a cult of personality and cult of ideology that's going along with a lot of these things but throughout all of it throughout people complaining about fat shaming and you know and this although the weird uber sensitivity that you see

today the trend though all of it seems to be this like kind kind of emerging understanding of how we interact with each other. It's like there's battles back and forth. There's waves. But if you're looking at like what is this? When all this water settles, what am I seeing here? What am I seeing here? I'm seeing an emerging understanding. Emerging understanding.

And along the way, there's a lot of competing factions that want to be the most morally upstanding and take the high ground and be the one who is always there to call bullshit. And the social justice warriors that are just looking to be mean so that they can prove to you the way to live right. Like looking to find people who aren't living the way they're living and just shitting all over them and shame them into a different way of thinking. All this is just emerging. It's an emerging understanding of of what we are and the connectivity that we share and the demands like when you see like these black lives matter uh marches and um these protests these people would walk around these i can't breathe shirts they're they're they're expanding this understanding of the reach of the upset

people like this is not a minor thing that you can only, you know, vote about every four years. This is something you can put a giant ripple in the entire culture right now by everybody just wearing a bunch of T-shirts that say something on it. And then everybody realizes, like, okay, this is, it's not just a social media trend.

It's not just a hashtag on Twitter and Facebook. It's also, like the the entire country like a big chunk of it collectively saying hey this is fucked up like we can we can do better and oh we can talk about this and oh you know we're connected in some fucking weird way now well we can kind of organize shit like this collectively and you know there's no real leader there's no real leader of any of those moments, you know, but people gravitate towards them. Yeah. And so those things, they all have that in common.

They all have this like this new connectivity thing in common. And I think that's really the trend. And we're able to draw wisdom, pieces of wisdom from all different disciplines, you know. And that's been something cool that I've seen is I've gotten, you know, the ability to reach more different people, experts in certain things, you know, will come in and add a little piece of understanding from their traditional scope where, you know, most people wouldn't even get to put that in part of their framework, you know, and you get to add that piece and add this piece over here. Like, you know, I can get a piece from Duncan about Buddhism, you know, and one of these great pieces that he added recently is the Buddhists have a name for that, that visceral

feeling you get right before you do something bad and get angry at someone or, or, you know, that emotional, well, the Buddhists have a name for that little feeling that comes up, you know, it's like, oh yeah, I've felt that little fucking thing that comes out. It's like this rush of energy right before you do something, you know, you really know that you shouldn't do. And then so you add that little piece of understanding. Aha, that the name of that thing is this. So I can be more conscious of it and aware of it. And then I have another friend, you know, Ted, who studies the Christian texts and puts new meaning to what those things were before they were manipulated for power and kind of maneuvered and like, ah,

okay, so he can add that. And then so you start to piece together this understanding where of course there's no leader. It's just led by, you know, truth and consciousness. And that's, I think the next, the next wave is just finding what's, what feels real, what feels right, what you can use to make your life better. Also, we just know there's so much information available today i think it's easier to kind of get an understanding of what's tripping you up you know it's easier to get an understanding of like there's a lot of people that behave in a certain way like that redneck song that we're talking about and they've been supporting that and they've been like man he had to do what he had to do you know he had to do what he had to do

you know i'm saying that's you leave a man alone we gotta do what he gotta do do you know he had to do what he had to do you know i'm saying this you leave a man alone we gotta do what he gotta do and that sort of like that perpetuating that over and over and over again like if you do that over a long period of time like it can ruin an entire area like if a bunch of people think like that like oh this area is polluted with this idea right like it gets polluted like polluted with he gotta do what he gotta do you know like there's areas of the country that for the longest time were polluted where if you were in an interracial relationship you couldn't walk down the street if you walked down the street you would risk physical attack because you had a black girlfriend or you had a white uh girlfriend and you're a black girlfriend or you had a white girlfriend and you're a black guy or whatever.

That was a reality for a long time in the South. It's still a reality in some spots. There's places you go. There's weird places in Texas where you take a few left turns and you drive for a few hours. And all of a sudden you're in this fucking weird place. And there's some people that don't have a whole lot of contact with the outside world that's an outlier that's like one of those weird bases that they would go to on star wars when they needed fuel you know like what the fuck are we doing out here like let's get out of here get them you know that's literally where you are you're in you're you're in a colony like some weird post that never caught on and it's in the middle of some weird place east

texas and you're like what the fuck is this those spots are still real man they're still real and they're getting less real all the time and i think you know the the big push is always just that human beings are constantly trying to improve i mean we constantly try to improve everything and we're going to try to improve culture and relations and understanding and if you look at the way things are now, as opposed to the way they were just in the early 1900s, I mean, the changes have been pretty fucking dramatic from 1900 to 2015 is, you know,

massive, but it's only 115 years, 115 years in the real world is like, God damn, that's a blink of an eye. That is a fucking blink of an eye. If you chart time versus change, it takes this hockey stick curve way up because things are going so fast.

But I think one point that you've made often is, you know, these conditions that are really fucked up, they have a reaction on the other side. You know, they form resistance that allows people to actually propel themselves even farther in the other direction. You know, it's like the action has a reaction. So the bias towards, you know, the racial bias, for example, can actually potentially propel people the other side to make greater leaps in consciousness and understanding what we're talking about, that we're all just ourselves living another life. You know, like these conditions can create a positive response. And I think that's kind of what we're seeing at this point.

Yeah. And then the social justice warrior overreaction is really just a reach. It's like a comedian who makes a shitty joke or, you know, it's essentially the same kind of thing. It's like it's just missing the mark. You know, I think there's a lot of white people, especially when anything goes wrong, where they are struggling to appear down. And they'll sometimes be racist against white people

in order to show that they love black people so much and they're not racist at all. There's a bunch of people that I follow, and I can't tell you who they are because then they'll know, and they'll change their behavior, and it'll affect my studies. But it's fascinating to see people like write racist stuff against white people and think it's okay. Like you're allowed to generalize against white people. You know how fucking goofy that is? Like I know a lot of really fucking cool white people and I know that's not popular to say. Like, for some reason,

you're supposed to be embarrassed about being white. And if you are, you're definitely embarrassed of knowing white people that you like. You have to talk about how many black people you know that you like. I know a lot of black people I like, too. But I also know a lot of awesome fucking white people. And I think generalizing towards any fucking gender, ethnicity, whatever, it's stupid.

I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to it i'm not gonna pretend yeah change modifying any aspect of your behavior one way or another because of identification with the color of skin and genetics that is just perpetuating it you know even further that idea of separateness that my tribe your tribe so overcompensating is in itself a form of racism to a certain degree you know know, just be real. Just treat people as fucking as humans. Don't worry about overcompensating or compensating.

And that's also in terms of sexism, because there's a lot of men who are sexist against men. Yeah, they really are. They're like they'll take a woman's side like automatically to be a white knight. And that's one of the things that people hate on the internet they hate white knights people get crazy when they catch someone doing it when it's pretty obvious what they're doing when someone is not looking at the objective facts or the what okay what was really going on here what's the real story and they automatically aside with the woman's with the woman's take on things and when you see that especially when it gets revealed the woman was full of later it's always so juicy and glorious.

I love following those fucking trails and watching it all play out. It's just, it's so bizarre. It's so bizarre to watch that behavior, that smiegel from the fucking Lord of the Rings-like behavior. And that's really what it's like. There's something that they're doing.

They're like, it's like you're distorting reality for your own benefit to try to appear that you're you're adhering to a higher moral standard than those around you to make yourself look more desirable right it's really that simple and it's fucking gross and people's you know at that point people's belief detectors that thing that we use to know when someone's faulty and cracked they start going haywire you know gears? Gears start flying off. You're like, you're fucking up to something here. This is not just you.

And so the belief detectors go crazy. Yeah. It's the beta thinking, you know? It's okay to be beta. No, it's not. It's not. It's not good for you. You don't have to be alpha either.

I feel like there's a state of acceptance, you know, that you should probably achieve instead of either or, you know. Just being what you're capable of being, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to try to be alpha. There's this one quote that I've been kind of stuck on recently, and it pertains to starting right now at this point, and it's from William Butler Yeats.

And he said, Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot, but make the iron hot by striking. That guy doesn't know how irons work. That guy's an idiot. You got to throw, it doesn't work that way. You got to throw the iron in there. The fuck, dude. These fucking poets that have never worked as a blacksmith.

Exactly. He's a poet. He is a poet. He's just poets. He might not have been a blacksmith. That have never worked as a blacksmith. Exactly. He's a poet. He is a poet. He's being silly. He's a silly boy. He's never hit anything. Strike to make the iron high. It doesn't work that way.

Well, things do get hot when you smash them. You'd have to fucking be really ineffective when you're striking. Yeah. Truth. We've dismantled Butler Yeats as a blacksmith. But the idea is, you know, just fucking go at it by start, just start doing it. You know what I mean? We're talking all this philosophy about what you can, and that may seem out of reach to

people like, oh, how am I going to do that? How would I, how would I, you know, do martial arts? I've never even come close to that. Well, you just do it. You don't wait for this perfect opportunity when job and money and everything aligns and you read your fucking horoscope in the paper and it says you're going to try new things this day

and everything's just perfect. Just do it. Just go out there, do a little bit. Dude, Anthony Bourdain started jujitsu at 58. 58. No athletic background. Used to do heroin. Sm smoked cigarettes five years ago. I mean, this guy started jiu-jitsu at 50 fucking eight years old, and now he does it every day.

He does it like two hours a day. He has a private lesson every day and takes a class every day. Like, what the fuck, man? He takes a class, then he works on all the shit he did wrong with an instructor, and the guy goes over positions with him. Yeah, anybody, you can do things, okay? That's it. As long as, you know, you can figure out a way to finance it, you know?

And if you're not, well, what do I do? That's the problem. You're on your own path, fuckface. I might be you living another life, but in your life, you've got to get your own shit together. I don't have time to figure out what you should do, okay? That's what you're supposed to do. And I don't know you dude. That's the other problem You know you can't give anybody advice because you know like if you're talking to someone

They want to be a lounge singer, and they sound like shit, and you go well first of all lounge singing I don't know if there's a future in that and second of all dude your voice is dog shit I don't know what to tell you like that guy's got to figure out how to make his voice good That's a lot of work. He's got a revive lounge. So this is kind of fucking you can't give everyone advice, but what you can do is Have these kind of conversations Be really honest about what's worked and what hasn't worked for you and point out all the shit that you're noticing in this crazy world That's what we've been able to do That's what most folks that are online that are tuned into what we've been able to do. That's what most folks that are online,

that are tuned into the world, have been able to do with information and news and just discussion that's going on now that really hasn't ever taken place like this before amongst people, where people are debating issues all across the country. And whether it's fucking Obamacare or whether it's the fucking invasion of Persia, the fuck it is isn't even a country anymore is it you know I'm saying anything that's going on in the world the the ability to

discuss to write blogs to discuss it to have people like leaving comments on those blogs to have people writing tweets responding to those tweets those tweets becoming articles let's debate the merits of this tweet and these this is like whether it's right or wrong whether it's ideologically driven whether it's honest or manipulated it's a weird exchange there's an exchange there's an exchange of data that's going on now in this really weird state that i think we're just so caught up in it that we're not realizing how much is changing yeah like're not supposed to say retard anymore. You know that?

Yeah. There's slowly but surely closing in on all the words that might potentially hurt people's feelings. You're not supposed to say all the standard ones, right? Like fag. You're not supposed to say any racial slurs. Those are all out the window. Those are getting removed from our culture

over a period way quicker than it's ever happened before. They're going at it the wrong way. They're saying these things can hurt you. So they're telling people that they're vulnerable. You're vulnerable because these things can hurt you. So we're going to remove these things. Whereas really the message should be that you're fucking invincible. That word can't hurt you unless you let that word hurt you. You know, you have the right of your own sovereignty of how you feel about yourself. That someone saying a word shouldn't make you feel any different way. Oh, that's interesting. You feel that way.

I'm sorry that you're in a state that you have that much anger and prejudice, that you feel that way. But it doesn't affect you. Listen to you, Richard Gere. That's the way that, you know, that's the way that we got to do it. Not remove all of these potential things that can hurt you. Just tell people, hey, motherfucker, you're invincible as far as your emotional state if you want to be. Also, it's really, you make a person more vulnerable when you make words taboo.

You make those words have more power, whether those words are racial, whether they're about gender or sexual orientation, whatever the slurs are, you make them way more powerful when you make them taboo. You know, if you call someone a fucker, like that, if that hurts your feelings, we can't talk like, Hey fucker, come on, man. Like if you know, like if, if someone does something and knocks a drink over on your lap, like, hey, fucker, what up, man? You're like, if you can't say that to someone, you can't be friends with that person. Right.

You can't. They're too goddamn sensitive. But if a guy spilled a drink in your lap and he was gay and you're like, you faggot. Like, whoa, everybody just dropped their drinks at the bar. What did he say? Did you hear the noise he made? What is the noise that came out of his mouth? Was it F-A-G-G-O-T?

Is that what he said? Whoa, I can't believe he made that noise. What is his intent? What is really going on in his head? Does he not know that it's a taboo word? Like, everybody just shuffles out of the party. Well, I guess this fucking party's over. And people leave.

Like, there's certain circles where if you did something like that, just even as a joke, you would automatically get ostracized. You would automatically get like, so is that smart to give a word that much power? No. But are they on to something that you shouldn't be the type of person that wants to use that word in a negative way? Yes. But are they not on to something because they forget about humor? And one of the beautiful things about humor is you say shit You don't really mean cuz it's a funny thing to do

It's it's what's funny about it is that you know someone doesn't really mean it like calling your gay friend a faggot Cuz he spilled his drink on you. It's funny We would all laugh if we were hanging around Justin Martindale, and he spilled a drink in my lap I wouldn't do I wouldn't say that I would never call him a faggot. But if Jamie did, because Jamie's that kind of guy. He's from Columbus, Ohio. That's how they are out there. They just think of faggot Tourette's.

But, you know, if anybody has a problem with that, like you'd either think that Jamie's really capable of being homophobic and using a slur to like, he hates you so much that a simple act of, of, of, of lack of coordination and an accidental spilt beverage leads to this fucking unleashing of these horrible phrases at you. Come on. Well, it's like, you know, you're a parent and when you have a kid and if they do something like they fall down and they kind of bump their knee or something, if, if you go, oh my God, what did you do? Are you okay? They're going to think their injury is way fucking worse. They're going to freak out like, oh my God, you're freaked out. My belief detector is saying that you believe something terrible is happening. So something terrible is happening,

whereas if you're like, you're all right, get up. It's all good. You know, dust it off. They'll be like, oh, okay. Then maybe they'll cry a little bit, but they'll feel okay about it. And what we're doing in society is we're saying, oh my God, he said, faggot. Oh my God. It's telling that person that we believe that this is really hurting you. So it's actually causing the antithesis of what the goal is, where it should be say, say whatever the fuck you want. It doesn't fucking matter. You know, you shouldn't be the kind of person that's saying it maliciously. Yes. You know, and that's the other part of what we've been talking about.

But no matter what is said, it doesn't matter. You're a human being and your psyche is made of diamonds and the world is full of fucking pillows. Like, that's it. Whoa. Strong words. I see their point. I see wanting to never be around someone who drops n-bombs, you know, and wanting to not be around someone who's prejudiced against someone. Sure, because it's the consciousness that's the problem. It's not the words. We're looking too downstream. We're trying to look at these downstream effects.

But really the problem there is you're with an unconscious person who fails to see the platinum rule, which is we're all the same fucking person. Yeah, and the real attention should be focused on enhancing our understanding of each other, enhancing our understanding of our true connectivity and not of demonizing the noises that you make on your face. Totally. That's silly thinking. It's like short-sighted thinking.

It's like I appreciate youred thinking. It's like, I appreciate your horror in the expression of racism, but I just think that the best way to approach it is to, first of all, lead by example, be someone who's you, you would want to imitate, you know, be someone who you'd want to imitate is a, is a great way to overcome a lot of things. imitate is a is a great way to overcome a lot of things uh like as far as like the way people interact with you everyone is interact everyone who interacts with anybody is always influenced by someone's success or failure i mean i never did coke because i was around people who did coke and their lives fell apart i was like wow keep away from coke but i've been around people like really hard workers and really disciplined and i get get excited by them. I get stimulated.

And I think we're entirely, we're way more dependent upon the atmosphere of others and the inspiration of others than we like to pretend. We're way more, way more. And I think that one of the bad things about short-sighted, like, black and white issues, and I don't mean black and white in a literal sense, I mean as far as, like, someone never using a word. You can never use that word. It's like, well, the human mind is capable of a lot of different subtleties and variations. And when you're talking about language, especially, you're dealing with a lot of subtlety. You're dealing with like some really funny things that go on with people. And some of those funny things make personalities exciting.

Like Neil Brennan had this fucking hilarious joke where he was, he used to do this thing all the time with his friends in New York. Where he would go, what's going on with the weather today? And they'd go, oh man, it's snowing. And he'd go, fucking niggers. And if anybody knows Neil Brennan, he's like one of the least racist human beings you'll ever meet in your life I mean he has a podcast It's all about interviewing successful black people him and Moshe Kasher have that podcast the champs where almost all of it is like Successful black artists successful black athletes like. He's not racist in the least.

He might hate white people, but he's funny. And that's what funny people do when you know they're not racist, and it's hilarious. You laugh because you know him and you know me, and it's funny. He was the fucking co-creator of the Chappelle Show. I mean, he's not racist. Well, he's just pointing out, and that's what a lot of humor does. It points out things that we're not aware of. Like, this is how ridiculous some of the scapegoatism that we use. Oh, it's because, and people have used, oh, it's the Jews, it's the blacks, it's blah, blah, blah.

It shows how ridiculous. The snow is completely unrelated. And so that's why it's funny. It's like, it's funny because that's happened before all the time. Right. It's obviously a huge exaggeration of an idiot, but it's, it's hilarious.

But that's, that's the problem with eliminating words. You know, you eliminate where you say he should never be able to say that. I come on that moment that we just laughed. I should never do. I have to say the end bomb. You know,

he said fucking end bombs. Like, come on, really? Is that what we're doing? That's silly. That's silly. There's a,

it's intent is the most critical aspect of human beings communicating with each other what are you trying to get through what what is your intent what are you trying to say like oftentimes like you'll hear people speak in political terms or in very measured terms and instead of making you feel calm it actually makes you uneasy he's like oh god i don't even know what the fuck this guy really feels like. I'm getting this PC or this publicist's version of who this person's thoughts or who this guy's what this guy's thoughts really are. I'm not getting the true emotion. The fact that we have to judge our politicians based on these really practice staged events rather than real adversity. You know, like that's where we should be able to judge our politicians based on these really practice staged events rather than real adversity you know like that's where we should be able to judge our politicians what happens when they're rolling for

two hours and they're getting their ass kicked like how do they respond after that what happens when they do a psychedelic what happens when they do this thing that's how we should judge the character the people who are leading and back when these politicians emerged from amongst the people they emerged because people understood that. Like, that's a bad motherfucker. He can handle it. If shit goes wrong, I'm going to his house. And that guy was the leader back then.

But now it's not. Yeah. Now it's just who's better at those fake speeches. Yeah. It's hilarious. I think, you know, we almost harp on psychedelics too much. But that's because we've done them. That's the problem.

People who haven't done them that's the problem people if people haven't done them like these guys are idiots they're just talking about doing oh yeah drugs are the solution ah it's a fucking it's a goddamn shortcut i'll tell you that that's exactly right goddamn giant shortcut but i think that if we did have some sort of an experience what even if it's a physical trial like if you had to watch them you know go through a mud race together you know how would they they push each other away do they concentrate on their own performance they try to hold people down like look look look al gore's grabbing his shoelaces he's untying the guy's shoes you know what i mean like if you saw them do you saw their character emerge character under

adversity some form of it some form of competition you know, it would be fascinating to see how these guys performed. You know, I think when you hear, like, Bill Clinton, who I think is a very intelligent guy, says he would do these talks where he would talk about the difference between what the Democrats have done and the Republicans have done, and it was very, like, team-based. We did this, we lured a deficit, we did this, we did that, we did... They haven't been able to do it since. It's like us and them and they and us.

It constantly talks about this team thing that's going on. You realize he's in this weird competition with these people. He's gloating. He's looking at the scoreboard. We're number one. We're number one. I mean, that's essentially what you're doing and if you want to get elected in this country and under Especially those conditions back then maybe not as much now, but you know it's kind of morphing in some weird place now

That's what you had to do you had to have that mindset. So that was the game Keeps not that anymore. No the game is the goddamn internet the internet is the portal of consciousness, the portal of information. It's the portal of connectivity in a way that just didn't exist before. So these fucking guys are there. My fellow Americans. Like, come on, man. Like, that shit is not going to keep flying. There's going to come a point in time where we want to watch you go to the jungle.

How do you deal with mosquitoes when you're high as fuck? You know? Right. Like, I want to see what happens if you eat some mushrooms and sit in a quiet room by yourself. I want to see, I want to see what goes on in your mind when you eat a pot cookie and you think you're going to die and then you climb into an isolation tank. I want to know what the fuck goes on in there, man.

What, what kind of thoughts about your high school did you have? Like, what did you, how do you feel about yourself now? Like, what do you, do you, are you happy with the momentum that you've created? Would you like to trim back some of these fucking, some of these roads that you've got to travel on? What would you like to do? Do you know who you are right now, or are you a product of the momentum of your past?

And I'm not sure. It's hard to tell. You've got to see someone struggle. You've got to see them. That's the key. 30 seconds, 30 seconds 30 seconds keep going okay my feet hurt i got some gout something wrong with my balls you know like you're gonna see you're gonna see who they really are other than that that nice person in that nice suit with the perfect

smile yeah and i think that's the direction that things are going you know and i'm encouraged by that i think you know the internet's already gotten rid of a lot of the hypocrisy because things get found out. You know, the transparency is increased. But as consciousness increases, I think the demand for a conscious leader will become overwhelming. And only when the demand for a conscious leader is there will one emerge and actually succeed. conscious leader is there will one emerge and actually succeed so you know instead of focusing on the politicians let's just focus on raising consciousness everywhere so that the demand is so high that one will emerge to meet that demand it's also we're in a situation where as far as education goes as far as the the roads as far as like food no food comes we're dealing with like in. We're dealing with, like, these structures that are already there.

They're already there, and people seek to improve them. They seek to improve the prison structures and the jail sentencing, you know, all the different bullshit that people hate about police brutality. They seek to improve those structures instead of, like, trying a new one, like, from scratch. And that's what I think i think like when you see something like waco texas waco is obviously a bad idea what they did the vidian complex they stocked up weapons or shooting at the feds and they're like some wild texans running a cult the guy was

banging everybody's wife allegedly you know that's how it goes when it goes wrong but but the idea of creating a community like organizing and engineering a community with resources, including security, is a dangerous thought. People go, hey, hey, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to start your own army? No, we just have guns in case somebody fucks with us. Oh, that sounds like an army to me. Well, aren't we allowed to defend ourselves individually? Individually, you can have your own weapon that you can use as a home security device.

individually. You can have your own weapon that you can use as a home security device. But what you can't do is get together with others and patrol your neighborhood as a home security patrol. And then a home security, well you have a neighborhood patrol, well you decide to have a city-wide security team. That sounds like an army boy. Well, we do have bulletproof tanks and laser

beams, but it's just to kill bad guys. Like, no, no, no, no, no, that's our job, you fuck! You're getting in on the government's territory! And then they'll come down, the feds will fucking jackbooted thugs kicking your door, flamethrower your kids and start from scratch. Like, look, we told you no compounds, no high fences, no, no, no more than 30 people with guns that live under one roof. You just can't do it. It's a fascinating idea, but I think that you're going to see there's a town in Texas that I talked about this the other day and people actually got a set about that. I talked about it. They

fired the cops in 2012, hired a public or a private company to patrol the streets. Crime went down by 61%. The cops have no, uh, no financial vested interest in writing tickets. Like they don't have quotas that they have to meet. So they don't harass people nearly as much, and they actually patrol areas where there's crime, and that reduces crime. Go figure.

And people are like, yeah, man, it sounds like what you're talking about is fascism. We're talking about private police and security teams. They're going to be

FEMA camps everywhere. Or, they're like every other business, and they become accountable for their actions in a way where, you know, you fire them, and you hire a new team. You know, you just don't get locked into any ridiculous 30-year agreement with some police

department. Instead, like, have a security team that is beneficial to the community and people can maybe be a part of that security team that are in the community. That would be crazy, huh? Have actually people in the community patrolling the community and getting paid by the community to do that. A lot of unemployed people that might make good cops. And you could do all this shit in a way where it's profitable without having all these goddamn quotas that these people have to meet and these weird pressures that are on people that are in law enforcement.

The more we can decentralize the structures, you know, go from federal rules to state rules. We've already seen the benefits of that in a state like Colorado, when they're able to make their own rules, you know, that's great. And then from there, if you go back even to where the towns can decide, you know, what the town should do. And as the smaller you get, the more opportunity you have for these great situations to develop. And I think one of the paradigm cases, I read this book called The Fifth Sacred Thing, and it shows what happens when a utopian society clashes with the dystopian society. It's a fiction novel. But the really cool part is seeing what the utopian structure looks like, like what a model of a totally cool place to live would be, if everything from the family structure

to the rules, to how they decide things to how they defend themselves to how everything works what they celebrate what the rituals are amongst that and it's cool to be able to look at that and say you know that's possible we just have to allow you know people to gather and create their own situation if they want to it doesn't always have to go where the owner it's all top down and the owner fucks all the teenage girls. Just because that's happened time and time again doesn't mean that it has to happen that way. I think it's likely to happen less now than it's ever happened before. And I also don't think that it has to be centrally located. And I think that one of the things that we're experiencing with this exchange of information on the Internet

is you're finding a lot of like-minded people that are also trying to improve themselves. They're also being super honest about who they are, who they were, trying to improve themselves, and they get inspiration from other people like you or like anybody else that's out there that is also on that same path of self-improvement and honesty. And I think we find each other cyberly. I think we don't even necessarily have to live on Uriah Faber's blog. I think what he's got is pretty sweet. That's probably the ideal way to do it, but if it's not available, it's also happening whether you like it or not.

It's happening throughout the world. I experienced that at these shows, these stand-up shows. You meet these people that are, dude, I lost 150 pounds.

Like, whoa. And you're like, changed my life. I started doing this. I started doing that. I eat kale. I fucking, I got a kettlebell

in my back pocket. You meet these fucking people and you realize there's a lot of folks out there that are also trying to better themselves, and they're trying to, like, tune into that vibe. And they're finding other people like that online that are trying to tune into that vibe of, we're all figuring this out, man. No one's perfect. No one's got a lock on this crazy life you know spend less time pointing fingers at other people and shaming them for you know making a fat joke and more time getting your own shit together

and we'll have a way better spot to hang out in yeah we will all have a way better spot like across across the globe i think that's happening man people say i'm too optimistic but man i don't know i i see it i see it in action i see it at these shows. I see it all the time. I agree. What's happening that I see is you have your nuclear tribe, those 15 people you say that you could give them a million dollars and never even blink an eye. You wouldn't even get nervous about it, you know. And so you start to develop these nuclear tribes. And then getting gatherings together, you know, I think is another important thing.

Like say, hey, everybody, let's all meet for these five days and hang out and have fun. And, and I think that'll be a cool aspect of consciously bringing into that. But then you have like the mega tribe beyond the nuclear tribe. And that's like all the people listening to the show where, you know, they're sharing a certain sentiment. So it's not like you're total strangers when you meet, there's a part of you that's already connected. And like, you see that at Burning Man, you know, the mere fact that they're at Burning Man means that they subscribe to a certain amount of beliefs generally. Of course, there's probably some outliers, but generally you can meet someone there and know like, all right, you're going to be, you know, you're going to be cool with me.

You're not going to call me a dick, you know? Hopefully. Hopefully. You got to be a bad patch of Burning Man rogue community. Yeah. Dirty sand. But they would feel themselves, you know, they would feel weird in that because the whole collective would end up trying to force them out. Like, yeah, pus in the skin.

It would become a pimple that would eventually pop and bail the fuck out of there. You know, the collective organism would reject it. Yeah. And I think the things like Burning Man and the growth of that, which is so big, it gets sold out every year in advance. It's like it's letting, there's a giant community of people that also would like to go to Burning Man

but can't make it there. They might have obligations or family or whatever they have to do, but they want to go there. But certain, like, it's not Mecca goddamn it. I don't have to fucking go around that square and touch it in a row. It's nothing. It's a nowhere place in the desert it's literally nothing there well that's why it's a good spot to go because nobody fucks you with you yeah but really it'd be way better if we did it in hawaii folks let's fucking all go to maui man maui's way better than the desert

yeah totally you know but they would get mad dirty dirty hippies. You got to wear dust masks when you're out there. But I think the point you're making is take your 15 people and have your own little Burning Man where you all bring stuff. You all share stuff. You don't worry about who's paying for what. Everybody's contributing. You're all hanging out. And experience that together in your own way.

You don't need to go to Black Rock, Nevada to do that. You can go to, you know, the fucking camping somewhere out in the you just put up some tents and just hang, you know. Yeah, but what Burning Man seems to be is like a bat signal. Someone throws up and they all meet there. Right. It's the super tribe meeting. It's what the Aborigines did at Uluru at Ayers Rock. You know,

like every once in a while you go to this one fucking spot and it's five days of crazy dream time and didgeridoos echoing through the whole place and it's a celebration and then you go back to your smaller units let your freak flag fly yeah how about we do this how about we I've been thinking about this and you've been thinking about this too about us getting a ranch in Texas if we got if we got a ranch in Texas. If we got a ranch in Texas, okay, if we got like a hunting ranch in Texas

that we also had yearly psychedelic rituals. First of all, how quick would we get co-opted by the feds? They're like, there's a fucking desk just got assigned to it right now. McCarthy, you're on this. Listen to this fucking Ustream channel. These fucking hippies. Yeah. You do that, like, you're on this. Listen to this fucking Ustream channel. These fucking hippies. Yeah. You do that.

Like, you know, have like a virgin, a version rather, a Burning Man at a ranch in Texas. I mean, it's definitely feasible. Screen people, though. You gotta screen people. For sure. Hire anonymous to crawl up their ass.

Get those folks from the black internet. that what it's called the dark internet well if we just picked a spot it doesn't even have to be a place that we own so there's no liability we just pick a spot somewhere and we say hey all people who liked what we were just talking about let's meet at this general area

for these four days and then, you know, see how it goes. But we've got to be somewhere where you can be high as fuck and not be in danger. That's why the desert's good, because there's nothing out there. You can't go wandering off in the woods and get eaten by a bear. Like, if we did it in Alberta, we started losing hippies. They started getting bared out there.

Did you hear something? Dude, it's a drum circle. Don't worry about it. There's some of these things. I think one of them is called Envision, and it's in Costa Rica in this beautiful fucking place. I mean, there's places around the world that we could pick that are cool with stuff. I mean, Costa Rica is cool with ayahuasca, with abogo. They're not going to fuck with you too much.

Traveling to other countries is fucking problematic. The shit hits the fan. You've got to get back to the good old U of a with the quickness america as that plane is fuck all that star spangled banner shit you'd be very happy to pledge of allegiance once that plane was leaving and you hear guns go off behind your plane in costa rica you realize you're right as the insurgency takes over the new government. Take care. Good luck with the ayahuasca retreat. I'm going to go to Miami for a weekend.

For sure. Drink on the beach. There's good and bad in all this stuff, ladies and gentlemen. I think people are getting it together, though. I really do. I agree. I feel it. I might be delusional.

But I think at least in the people that I'm in contact with, they're getting it. And I feel like they're spreading. And when I say getting it, oh, you think you get it? What I mean by that is this idea of everybody trying to improve themselves and people just kind of being cool with each other. Yeah. And people being honest about all their attributes, the positives, the negatives, all that stuff, and working it out together, man. And part of getting it is knowing that you know nothing, really.

You know, it's just accepting the fact that we know incrementally less nothing and sometimes maybe even more nothing because the expanse of what is possible to know increases, you know, and just understanding that we're just trying to figure it out to the best fucking way that we can. You know, that's it. When I was young and stupid, I was very insecure about things I didn't know. Like, I wanted to pretend I knew things that I didn't know.

Like, yeah, I know that. You know, like, I'd be like, somebody would bring up something, I'd be like, I know that. But I felt like somehow or another there's some weakness in saying, like, what is that? You know? Yeah. Which is, like, I love to do that now like my favorite thing to like i don't need to know you first of all now i'm smart enough or at least i'm i've accumulated enough information to know you can't know everything like it's stupid that's why

i love when i talk to someone like brian cox who's this genius fucking scientist dude who works at the large hadron collider and teaches fucking science to the whole world if you ask him something he doesn't know he goes i don't know i don't know about that like oh great i love that that's fucking giant that's important because one of the things that plagues human beings in their development is this lack of admitting to failure this lack of admitting to not knowing something this this this fear of your own ignorance and denial of it to the point where you're posturing in front of other people that's all eliminated by pot cookies yeah you can you can get rid of all that shit well having something to defend because you're again it's this illusion of

vulnerability I need to defend these beliefs because if I don't have them what am i what am i without being right you, do I love myself if I'm not the smartest person in the room? Well, you know, you got to let all that shit go, you know, and you got to build your foundation on the rocks instead of these, these sandcastles, because that'll never fulfill you. If driving around in a certain car makes you feel good, or if being right and belittling people on the internet makes you feel good, it'll never actually work long-term to make you feel good. It'll be this hole that the more you throw in it, the bigger the hole gets.

You know, you got to find your own internal ways to feel that good and to feel that way. Everything else is just a sidetrack that's taking you backwards. Yeah, and it goes back to what we were talking about where people just automatically look to get in disagreements with people if they feel that they're on a different team. People that are on a different idea. I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles used to beat the fuck out of people so bad at their games.

They broke some guy's leg in a fucking stairwell because he was a fan of the other team. Like that type. I mean, that's up that tribal issue. You know what you're talking about? Like preying on the worst aspects of tribalism, that's something that needs to be addressed in schools. We need to explain. These are why you have these weird instincts

to be in teams and to form gangs because you really used to have to do that to stay alive. Right. But now we don't. We don't have to do that shit anymore. No? All right, fuckers. We've reached the

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