The Joe Rogan Experience - #630 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: March 24, 2015

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast “The Duncan Trussell Family Hour” available on Spotify.

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motherfucking Trussell. Hello. A.K.A. Superhippie. Hello. What's up, brother? What's going on? What's going on, my friend? What happened to the commercials? Uh, fuck those things, dude. Add those bitches in later. Hello. What's up, brother? What's going on? What's going on, my friend? What happened to the commercials? Fuck those things, dude. Add those bitches in later. Ah.

I realized somewhere along the line that it's all about the flow of the conversation. Right. That's what makes a podcast interesting to me. If I'm listening to a cool podcast, I want the flow of the conversation to be as natural as possible. Yes. I think even starting with the music, probably should stop doing that. We'll add that shit in post.

Right. You know, the flow of the conversation is what's up. And the best way to get the flow of the conversation right is just kind of get into it. Right. Yeah, I think that's right. I do my commercials later. I just sit down with the people and start talking. If you do a commercial first, you've killed

the vibe. Like for like five minutes more even. Yeah. I've been guests on people's shows where they do it too and I don't want to do it. You know, you've killed the vibe like for like five minutes more even yeah I've been guests on people shows where they do it too, and I don't want to do it You know you don't want to sit there where someone's reading off their commercials. You know they're really good Also, yeah I mean that's kind of the problem is that it forces you to do like a read read when someone's there because you want to get It done with and then that makes you sound like a robot and it's much more interesting to talk about That if you're using it or not. Like, what is it?

Because a lot of the people advertising on podcasts, it's some weird stuff, man. It's like brand new, strange technologies that are new. You know, it's all internet-based businesses. There's a lot of that. And a lot of those are cool. Squarespace, that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's disruptive in this very mild way. Like, you find that the stuff is is disrupting the most annoying technologies.

Like taxis got disrupted by Uber. And if you consider the experience of a taxi versus an Uber, no offense to taxi drivers out there. I'm sorry you guys are... I don't want anybody to be out of work or anything. But man, the difference is so profound that there's no competition. Like taxis are like, you know, they've got that fucking TV in the back where it's commercials are like blaring into your face the whole time. And you're just sort of like if you feel like you're in a traveling prison because they've got the plexiglass in between you and the driver. We've got the plexiglass in between you and the driver. Because we live in such a crazy dimension where people who drive other people around have to treat them like pythons or something and put them behind glass just because that one guy with the ice pick.

Well, do you know how many people? It's not that one guy with the ice pack. Do you know what happened in New York City one year? No. They killed some insane number of gypsy cab drivers I think what a gypsy cab driver what they call gypsy cab driver is someone who's working kind of without it was like pre-uber Yeah, it was like they were working without a license or they're working with some some shenanigans were involved and They would take these guys to bad neighborhoods and shoot them in the back of the head and they shot a bunch of them They shot a bunch of them criminals. it was like something they did to rob

people they take these gypsy cab drivers deep in in New York City somewhere like Brownsville or somewhere like that yeah shoot them in the back of the head and then dump their cab ah dude it was crazy like it happened a lot there was a I forget what year it was but they had no idea how many like people were involved they didn't know who was getting this pre-internet did they ever catch the guy I don't know I wish I knew that answer I wish I knew kind of serial killer some kind of was either a serial killer or a practice of robbing people and shooting them in the head how hungry are you like you have to

be so hungry to decide that you're gonna get in a cab and go through the trouble of blasting someone in the back of the head to get. How much money are they going to have maximum in a cab? How much would they have? You know, I mean, a few hundred bucks. Who knows? A thousand maximum? Who knows, man? It's just hard to believe that it could be a million and someone would just shoot someone in the fucking head.

You know, it's just, it's weird when you get to a certain number and people go, oh, I got it. You know, if someone kills someone for a million bucks, like, oh, that was a million dollars. It was probably really tempting. For some people, probably. I know, but it's ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to kill somebody for a hundred. You shouldn't be able to kill someone for a million. But for whatever reason, if you say it was only for a hundred bucks, they killed them.

Yeah. Like somehow or another, it makes it like more pointless that they killed them for a million bucks. Well, yeah. I mean, it really does. It's like a Brinks truck, for example. Like a Brinks truck, you can kind of, because you're thinking like, okay, desperate criminal needs some cash. thinking like okay desperate criminal needs some cash if i'm gonna kill somebody and i think it's obviously a terrible thing to do i want to have enough money to live on it for at least a couple of months not enough to like go bowling that night and like that's it you got to get another cab

if you're one of those uber drivers though i mean how much protection do they have the uber drivers yeah from getting robbed well things along those lines is it harder because of phones right yeah well i guess the people are being tracked but i mean obviously the ultimate frightening scenario is someone like steals someone's phone uses their uber app and summons the uber and then they're completely untraceable. So I think that's probably a danger that the Uber drivers think about. I'm sure they teach them what to do. I'm sure they've been tutored or there's got to be safety courses they're taking for the inevitable situation where somebody gets in there and thinks they're the reincarnation of Christ and wants to taste blood on a full moon.

incarnation of Christ and wants to taste blood on a full moon. Well, it's, I think the harder situation would be for the young women who are by them, young women, women who are by themselves who get in a car with a guy they don't know and they don't know whether or not he's been screened properly. Like I would think. that's right.

Or faking being an Uber driver. I mean, how hard would that be? Pull up in front of any club and look out and be like, Uber? Uber? Yeah. Easy. Damn, dude.

Shit. Easy. That's so true. I'm sure they've thought of that, too. Yeah, well, I've had people try to get into my car accidentally because they thought it was an Uber. We rented an Escalade. Wow.

And they opened the door. And we're like, hello. And they're like, we're here for Uber. I'm like, no, man, I'm not the Uber. That's hilarious. Yeah, man, you can get in a lot of trouble. You can get a lot of trouble out there in the world, man. It's so strange to think that in this beautiful time that we're living in, and it really is a beautiful time, man. This is an incredible time. It's amazing. It was so strange to think of how there are still predators existing in our ecosystem even though I think it's much less than it used to be it's just a fascinating thing to think that

there's people out there whose heads are just filled with psychic bees and for whatever reason they're being driven out into the streets and they do awful fucking shit still it just becomes more shocking the more technology accelerates those acts of violence they stand out more they seem more barbaric they seem more horrific i mean that's really what's fueling like the furthest most fringe left-wing ideas that's like one of my number one problems that I have with like Super progressive people is that I agree with them on almost everything But sometimes the way they go about expressing themselves is so ridiculously over-the-top that they become annoying

And they become bad for the cause or bad for whatever idea they have But ultimately what are they trying to do? They're just trying to write it all out. It's just they're going so far and they're so ridiculous with some of the ideas that it just... Like what? Oh, God, where would I begin? The use of language. It's a really important one. You know, like the people that get, like, super upset at rape scenes in a movie

or rape scenes in a television show. Oh. at rape scenes in a movie or rape scenes on a television show. People that think that men and women don't have to adhere to gender-specific roles, which I agree, you know, you don't have to. But to think that that's not the norm, you know, to think that in some way gender-specific roles for people aren't sort of carved out in some ways by biology. Man, I got to tell you, though, that is a thing that, that idea is, will be an antiquated idea

within 200 years, I think. That will be the idea that your genetic gender assignment is the gender you got to stick with will be like thinking the avatar that you pick in GTA is the avatar that you've got to run around with permanently because it's going to get easier and easier to modify the body. We have no idea what's coming down the tubes when it comes to the new stuff that they're learning about how to alter DNA. We have no idea what's coming down the tubes when it comes to futuristic plastic surgery surgery and the ease of it we just don't know oh no doubt man no doubt so when that happens it's because it's kind of like the reason the stuff seems really weird uh to us is because mostly we've grown up in a time where you and i especially have grown up in a time where you you there was no the words they're using right now is

not the words that they used to use. The word tranny was not an offensive word. People would just use it. They didn't know. You didn't know. So the general idea was, if you're growing up back in the 70s or the early 80s, it's not like everybody was a complete horrible bigot. But at least I grew up in North Carolina. So the public opinion on transsexual people is not what you would consider to be rosy.

It's not like people are like, they deserve rights. They should get married. They weren't a topic of discussion. Weren't even a topic of discussion. But now, you know, people are realizing, oh, shit, man, I don't know if I have to be physically what my genetics are saying I have to be. And so they go through this, the thing Bruce Jenner is going through. They take hormone replacement therapy. I guess they get their penis cut off and they get a vagina.

I don't think they like to have you phrase it like that. How do you phrase it? They get reconstructed. I don't think they like to have you phrase it like that. How do you phrase it? They get reconstructed. Well, yeah. Okay. Well, that's scary. Imagine sitting in, when you're in your Uber and the guy in the back seat says, do you want to get reconstructed tonight?

I honestly think that there's going to come a point in time where they're going to be able to change you into anything. That's it. Anything. Male, female, you will go back and forth from male to female. Yeah. I mean, it might be a thousand years from now, but it's it. Anything. Male, female. You will go back and forth from male to female. Yeah. I mean, it might be a thousand years from now, but it's coming. It's coming sooner than that, at least in VR space.

Because of the, you know, I was just at this fucking crazy virtual reality gathering downtown. Because I'm pals with this guy, Johnny Ross, who puts them on. They had everything there. Everything there. All the new high-tech stuff was there. They had the new Valve VR prototype, which makes my Oculus Rift look like shit. But one of the things they had, which was so incredible,

was software that scans your face and then turns that into the mask of some other thing. So if you're playing a video game, theoretically your face would be sort of being scanned and what you would look completely different. The expressions you are making in the real world would translate into the avatar. And that's pretty bad-ass man, to be able to play an online role playing game with avatars that are making real human facial expressions. And that's just one function of it. Doesn't that freak you out?

I love it. Does it give you any pause? It used to. Do you just go, what the fuck are we doing? It used to. Really? Not anymore, man. What happened?

I took Timothy Leary's advice. What was it? Lift up your legs and float downstream. Don't worry. Stop freaking out. There's nothing, number one, you're not stopping it. It doesn't matter who you are.

It doesn't matter what plan you have. You ain't stopping it. Elon Musk could take his clothes off, climb on the top of the Empire State Building, and hold a banner that says AI is going to destroy all humanity, and nobody would pay attention. Because you're talking about something that seems to be more of a, something deeper than just human innovation. It seems to be something like more of a kind of momentum, an inexorable momentum in the direction of us having 100% control over the way we express ourselves

and the things we create and not being limited by our current meat bodies in any way at all. That's where it's headed. And that's just one little piece of it. It's not going to stop. In fact, this is the last age. Everyone should just go outside and look around and enjoy a world where people aren't wearing visors and a world where all the clouds of data surrounding you aren't being visualized in a variety of ways that have been created by programmers. Because that's what we're looking at. Just the entire universe animated with information in real time. And people's faces being whatever they want it to be.

People's bodies being whatever they want it to be. I think it goes past that. I think whatever you are as a human being, you're going to eventually accept as being a digital form. Because it's going to be more exciting than the flesh. You're going to get to a point where it's going to be better. The idea of you downloading your brain to a computer right now is horrific. Like, oh my God, why would I want to do that? Right.

But the idea, if they can get your, and biologists say it's impossible, but I just think it's impossible now. But if they can get whatever your consciousness is, they can get a digital image of that. An absolute 3D, every molecule in exactly the right place, digital image of you. And they can convert this into an artificial body and instantaneously you'll be conscious and aware. Yeah. That one's going to shut off. This one's going to shut on. Click, click.

Here we go, Duncan. How are you? Great. Oh my God, I'm immortal. I am immortal. Yeah. You'll be a digital voice. Yeah.

You'll be a great voice. It'll be a great voice. You'll have... Yeah, it'll be great. It's like, it's wonderful. What's happening is wonderful, but it is scary for a lot of people. But, man, just the... We have so many restrictions on us that are based on our biology that humanity has just grown to accept.

If you accept growing old, you accept whatever your particular physical disabilities or talents have to be, The idea that these could be enhanced in such profound ways with exoskeletons or with some kind of new cybernetic red blood cells. It's crazy, but it really does mirror a video game. You know, in a video game, when the character levels up and it becomes a whole new game, the game gets interesting again. That's what's about to happen to our species. Our species is about to level up. It's about to become an entirely new thing. And it's a few specificology that's happening right now,

the exploration into psychedelics, and all forms of life extension therapy. And all of these things, they're meeting. They're all going to meet. They're all going to meet. They're all growing together. They're all appendages that are growing out of this sentient life form that we seem to be headed towards on our temporal spaceship that we call planet Earth. And the appendages are sort of, right now we're beginning to see the first budding growths of them in the rudimentary VR, the rudimentary AI, or the rudimentary 3D printing. But the idea that you can go into a virtual space created by an artificial intelligence that is a replication of something that you have stored in your memory that's been downloaded and scanned so that you could go and live inside a memory in 3D space, scanned so that you could go and live inside a memory in 3D space and then within that memory have some piece of it printed out in a 3D printer. You know what I mean? Like, holy shit, I'm hanging

out at my grandmother's house when I was six because they were able to scan my memories and trans digitize it and put it in VR space. Oh, look, there's that pendant that my grandmother liked. Computer, print that out. And then, boom, now you've got a 3D representation of something inside your memories. Oh, my God. Think of that. Where are we going to put it all? People will just fill the world up with 3D images of their memories.

We'll be just clutter. That'll be the new clutter. 3D images of your past. Junkyards filled with old grandma pendants. You go out to a field. What is this apartment doing here? This is the apartment where I grew up. I rebuilt it out here in the field. See that mattress?

I came on that mattress. That's my cum. I reprinted it with a 3D printer. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're looking at, man. That's what you're looking at man that's what you're looking at you are looking at um now i now the memory downloading stuff i don't know of any kind of i don't that's that's i think that's a little bit of a stretch i don't know exactly where we're headed with that with that stuff but i do know that they're learning a lot about memory i just heard that they have

they think that they figured out a way to restore memory in people with Alzheimer's disease using some kind of like sonic technology to remove the plaque that's in there and the memories come back. So we're learning about memories. hyper-realistic, detailed, super-ultra-HD scan of the human brain, then if that is possible to recreate consciousness, then it makes sense that you would also be able to recreate the memories encoded inside the neurology that you're duplicating. I think that's where I was getting at when I was talking about this idea that we're in this weird space right now where this is all happening, where we're like caterpillars that are giving birth to a butterfly or transforming into a butterfly. And it's all happening right in front of us.

That's why these violent acts are so repulsive today. I mean, I think they were always repulsive, but now they seem particularly repulsive because you're like, God, look what's going on. Look how much crazy shit is going on. always repulsive but now they seem particularly repulsive because you're like god we have look what's going on look how much crazy shit is going on if we're still having religious murders yeah all this is going on yeah so it's there's this weird sort of disruption in the potential of of the situation that's right and this weird disruption is like being met with more, more people are looking at these disruptions now than ever before.

And you're getting extremes on that end. I think you and I are kind of moderate in our progressiveness. Right. And we're both like totally pro gay marriage, totally pro abortion rights. Do whatever the fuck you want to do as long as you're not harming other people. Right.

But be responsible for your actions, too. And I think more and more people are, at least in my opinion, what I'm running into, kind and aware than I think ever in my lifetime. More people are kind and aware. That's right. And more people are also aware of, like, the benefit of being kind. That's right. But along the way, you're going to have extremes on both sides. You're going to have extreme

religious crazy fucking people. You're going to have extreme left-wing lunatics. You're going to have all sorts of people like Chris Ryan said it best. He was like, they're a fascist wearing hippie clothes. Right. They're wearing a hippie outfit. Yep. And there's that too. But what

we're learning from all this is that we know more about what's going on. And we know more about where we're headed than we've ever known before. But yet we're still completely in the dark as to where this thing could go. That's right. We don't know where it could go. But we are the midwives of the thing. And that's the frustration.

Here we are, all of us, or either via our attention or some people like Rick Doblin and the work they're actually doing, or Kurzweil or Musk or any of the luminaries who are actively transforming society with their technological innovation. These are midwives and they're drawing this thing out. They're letting this thing be born. These are midwives, and they're drawing this thing out. They're letting this thing be born. And while they're letting this thing be born, and what is being born is, you can call it whatever you want.

You can call it a renaissance. You can call it the techno messiah. You can call it whatever you want to call it. But this thing being born has not existed, as far as we're aware, on this planet. And if it did, it was before one of those meteor impacts you talk about sometime but here we are delivering this thing and in the fucking delivery room in this incredible period in human history where we're looking at complete control over our genetics solving some of the world's greatest problems solving like curing diseases uh that we thought we never could cure there's like assholes throwing firecrackers in the fucking delivery room yapping about some invisible angry

guy that uh that hates gay people and that's really frustrating because you're you you're witnessing uh the the most radical form of violence, which is not just violence human to human, but violence in the sense of trying to destroy the potentiality of our species by clinging to an antiquated and ridiculous notion of what God looks like. And if there is anything more violent than that i can't imagine what it could be no it's the it's the most archaic of all beliefs the most archaic of all beliefs is this magic man that you've never met wants you to kill people who don't believe in him yes that that's bananas

and this is this is one of those things that's just been around for long enough to get traction and it's become a normal part of life. But if you tried to introduce it today, if most people lived a secular life and you tried to introduce radical Christianity, right today, there would be one of the most ridiculous conversations you could ever have with people. They would be, the news would report on it. Right. It would be like, they would talk about the effort. This strange new cult has come to town that wants you to believe that you were born from original sin and that there's

a man who died. They had to hammer him together. He was a son of God. They had to hammer him to some wood. Otherwise, they couldn't fix the whole thing. There's no other way to do it. They wrote this stuff down back then and we just passed it down from generation to generation and then this is God's word and that's that

Sounds like something if it didn't exist like if you were on the bus with someone and they started saying it you'd switch seats Cuz you're like shit man. I sat next to the fucking crazy place. What was it? Well, what do you think the original Bible was the original Bible man? I think it was a Transmission that was prepping the way for this thing that's coming I think it was a one the many, in the same way you've got Elon Musk, in the same way you've got luminaries now, I think back then you had luminaries who were looking around at a world where people were barbaric and getting crucified, and they were like, okay, look what they had to work with, man. You have to start with like, hold on on maybe love your enemy as you love yourself or

these ideas that are unifying these ideas that could create real peace because you need the peace if you are looking at what's coming is the formation of a baby then whatever early religion is propagating any kind of diminishment in war any any kind of, or even the attempt to reduce violence, then you're looking at this, it's kind of like trying to create the pod within which this thing can grow. Because we need peace, we need stability in whatever way we can get to.

Now, I'm not saying that the creators of the New Testament, the Gospels, were like, shit, man, we better come up with this ridiculous idea so that there can be robots in the future. But I think that's... But yeah, but that is, it's all the process, right? It's part of the process, which is why it's so ironic

that the people saying there's an invisible God who wants them to kill other people, while they're doing all this, the actual God is in the birthing process in the laboratories and universities and think tanks of the planet. It's oozing through the human imagination and manifesting all these high-tech technologies that have, as one of their byproducts, the tendency to heal. You're talking about people 3d printing their fucking artificial limbs now think about that man that used to be so hard to get an artificial limb it's so expensive like now you could just print it out if that's what did jesus do he went around

healing people and you're seeing the very same thing cancer is is like the cancer prognosis, at least in a lot of cases, is much better than it ever has been. Not to mention the treatment of all the varieties of maladies that we have. I'm not like saying Western medicine is the ultimate thing, but it is helping people live longer and healing people. And it can be a very beautiful force. longer and healing people and it in it it can be a very beautiful force uh it also is an incredibly destructive force too but it has a lot of wonderful byproducts so i think that it's incredibly ironic that those folks can't see that they're looking for a god that was invented when the actual god is right in front of them uh in in all the high-tech shit that we see scattered around this planet well it exists in the universe wanting us to create it whatever the fuck is inside of

people that makes us want to breed and make buildings and keep pushing forward it's also the same thing that gives us almost universally a desire for better shit all the time. Yeah. Almost universally. People are starting to be so entrenched into this idea of technological innovation that all the new shit, they're up on it. They're talking about it. You hear what's going on? Yeah, Master's creating a new laptop.

Master's going to get us a 15-inch with a visual optical drive. It reads your retina and plays. We're all like Master has us. Master is the machine that makes stuff. Master, yeah. That's Master. Master is the machine that makes stuff. And the more of a baller you are, the more stuff.

Look at my stuff. I got all this stuff. And this idea that that's success and that's based on not happiness. No, not the amount of positive interactions you have between loved ones. Nope. Not that. No. What?

How much shit you got? How many zeros and ones? How much of a boost are you giving to this system that's trying to give birth to an artificial intelligence? Yeah, that's how much how much money how much money? How much houses? Do you demand the best you demand the best we can re-engineer it we can make it better with a better model for mr. Jones mr. Jones wants that the model that floats let's make the model with hoverboard Yeah, and before you know it it's going further and further and further and further almost all of it fueled by this desire for shit.

Materialism. Market pressures, as it's called. And it's cool to know that that's what's manifesting the thing. It's cool to recognize that whatever the womb of technology is, it's using everything. It's using greed. It's using altruism. It's using altruism it's using uh creativity it's using every little bit of nutrients that's floating around our paradigm is being absorbed into this being and you know sometimes like bees

right bees they're working fucking hard right they're out there uh getting pollen uh and i know this is dumb because they probably i don't know how a bee might think, but I bet that the bee isn't thinking, fuck man, I've got to get more pollen for the fucking hive. I've got to do this, man. I've got to work really hard. I think it's thinking, God, flowers feel so good to roll around inside of. I just love rolling around inside of flowers. And I think in the same way, humans, when they're doing all these things that seem like recreation and leisure and hedonism, they don't realize it, but they're building the machine too. They're building the machine by their desire for more heightened

levels of hedonism, for heightened levels of sense gratification, for heightened ability to express themselves or to bring what's in their mind out into the world. They're all worker bees that are helping to push forward the birth of whatever this thing is that is currently fermenting in the womb of time. We're giving birth to a new thing. I think it's going to be a life form, but it's just not going to be a life form like the way we see life forms. We have a very rigid idea of life forms. And our life's going to be a life form, but it's just not going to be a life form like the way we see life forms. We have a very rigid idea of life forms and our life forms have to be alive. They have to have sex. They have to breed somehow or another. They have to replicate genetics through biological methods only. That's it. And that's it. And then you have to have blood and

bone or something really similar that we can map out and show the difference, like a slug. Like what exactly does a slug have? It's got some weird skin thing. There's no bones. Okay. Okay, but that's alive too. I get it. And this is going to be a new thing.

This is going to be a new thing. Yeah. And along the way, we're going to have some fucking bumps in the road. It's going to be real weird. There's going to be some bumps, man. There's going to be some serious fucking bumps. No way around it. You ever, you know, one of one of Terrence I saw this great McKenna YouTube video forgive me every time I come on your show I'm blab about him but the god man

he gives this great description of what's happening as we approach this event he compares it to like an airplane accelerating. And the more you accelerate, the more turbulence you get. And so that's the, as we like sort of exit the, whatever the atmosphere is of the current time period that we're existing in and move into this next place that they're calling the singularity, there's going to be some turbulence. There's going to be some serious fucking bumps, man. But there's going to be some turbulence. There's going to be some serious fucking bumps, man. But there's going to be bumps no matter what.

If we don't do this, there's going to be bumps. If every scientist on Earth was like, you know what? Let's not work on AI. Let's not try to harness this power. Let's keep technology exactly where it is right now. Oh, we're fucked. We're fucked. Then we're super fucked. Oh, then we're super fucked oh then we're just doomed like if all

technology stopped advancing right now how would we be fucked because the problems that are emerging right now are so fucking severe that the idea that human a human being or human intelligence is going to be able to solve a lot of them is uh that's an optimistic idea we're looking at ice caps fucking melting we're looking at people all over the world uh just out of control humping like people they're just they're just they're they're they're filling up pussies with babies left and right. It's happening everywhere. No one's thinking about it, man.

One year of water in California. One year of water in California. Apparently one year of water. Whatever that means, guaranteed, right now, there's 50,000 people in California where there's sprinklers on full blast, watching their sweet green yard. They know there's one year of water left in California. They're like, whatever. Whatever.

Here's the big one. Golf courses. Oh, yeah. Those fucking golf courses. I don't play golf. If I did, I'm sure I'd be sympathetic. And I'd be like, look, I'm paying my money. I want my fucking water.

That's right. Can they water the golf with the ocean? No. Too salty, right? No. They can use reclaimed water. Water the golf. That's so much I know about golf. Water the golf with the ocean? No. Too salty, right? No, they can use reclaimed water. Water the golf. That's so much I know about golf.

Water the golf course. Course. Can they do that with salt water? I think salt water is going to fuck up grass. I think you need some nice, pure, clean water. But I think that you can use reclaimed water. I mean, I'm sure there's solutions. But, you know, my point is,

we've got some serious difficulties facing us. And a lot of the stuff that we need to fix some of these problems is that technology doesn't quite exist yet. But we do know that it's coming based on the very predictable acceleration that's happening that they call Moore's Law. So we know, okay, well, we can kind of guesstimate how fast computers are going to be in 10 years based on that concept, and we can look at the problems that simulators currently are capable of solving. What kind of problems can a simulator that has the power of every human brain on the planet solve? If you ask that, how to deal with the ice caps melting or overpopulation or some disease running rampant.

What would you think would be move number one? If you wanted to deal with any of those issues, I would think clean up the ocean is probably one of the first ones right Stop chopping down the forest clean up the oceans. Yeah, those are two huge huge ones, right? That's like a kid who like wants to go play outside, but you have shit all over your bedroom walls Yeah, you just shit on your walls. Like what are you doing? You got no you got to clean this up you fuck You can't just keep going. That's right. We've made this big mess big mess of the ocean, and everybody's like, ah, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. Yeah.

Nobody wants to say they did it. Like, nobody wants to look at that huge fucking patch of garbage that's floating around the Pacific Ocean that all these scientists are terrified of. Right. Nobody wants to, like, look at that and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Okay, we did a little bit. You did a little bit. Let's chip in.

We gotta do this. We gotta fix this first like no nobody wants to do that well nobody wants I mean the problem is nobody wants to do I mean I say no but I want to say no governments want to do that well no I mean fuck that how about no people want to well I mean I think people want to yeah well there's a lot of people that are super concerned they just I don't think they have the funds or the maybe the the means I don't know if there's a lot of people that are super concerned. I don't think they have the funds or maybe the means. I don't know if there's a physical capability. That's what we need.

See, that's part of what technology can do is it can connect people. I mean, look at how great it is at raising money. Look at how powerful it is when it comes to any kind of goal that you want as a society. Just what you were saying is like a lot of us are so brainwashed that we think, well, I hope the government handles this problem. But the governments aren't the ones who are going to be transforming the earth. It's going to

be the super connected citizens who are using technology to manifest their will in hopefully positive ways. Yeah, there's's gonna be no way in the next five years to put a lid on this thing oh on on the on the on the spread of technology oh no you can't stop it i mean that's ridiculous i mean there's everyone might as well just give up the idea that that in some

way this thing is being stopped and everyone just has to accept the fact that this stuff is coming and also accept the fact that the world is a fuckload better than a lot of people think. And that's a big, big shift that needs to happen. I mean, I think, you know, even as we figure out how to deal with the oceans or any great problem facing us, there also needs to be a deep and prolonged inner work that people need to be having with themselves. Because we are amygdalas going fucking nuts right now. Have you seen this? Oh, wow.

Have you seen this? No. This is a new robot. Look at this. You want to shit your pants? You're going to shit your pants. Oh, wow. Have you seen this? No. This is a new robot. Look at this. You want to shit your pants? You're going to shit your pants. Oh, I've seen that. I've seen that gal.

Yeah, I've seen that one. It's like a Japanese new robot that they've created. It's a woman. And it will blow your fucking mind. You think you're being taken. It'll do more than blow your mind, Joe. Oh, you rascal. I know what you were saying.

It's the craziest looking robot I have ever seen in my life. It's very realistic. It's so realistic. Hyper realistic. The YouTube video is titled Very Real Looking Robot. And it's one of those breakthroughs where you look at it and just go, oh, wow, I didn't know they were that far. Right. I didn't know they had gone that far.

And, you know, man, it's like that's fucking cool. And that's an amazing, amazing thing. And that's nothing compared. And, you know, that humanoid robot thing that everyone sort of we've envisioned is what it is. Right. That's really like just one little piece of what we've got coming down the pipes. really like just one little piece of what we've got coming down the pipes. And the other interesting thing to think about is those beings, the robots, are going to be vessels within which the AI will exist, because the AI is going to exist in the cloud. So what's really curious is that we will

have this new kind of wind blowing through the world. It's the wind of the cloud of all the data that has now become personified or personalized by some artificial intelligence. And that data, whenever it wants to, will be able to pop into open portals, which will be robots. So robots are cars for artificial intelligence. And artificial intelligence isn't going to be localized inside the robot. That's what we all think. You know, you go to the robot and you ask it the right question, its eyes bulge out and smoke comes out and you beat the robot.

That's not how it works at all. The robot... That's the fucking image. Yeah, that's the image. That's from a Bugs Bunny cartoon or something? Yeah, it's from Star Trek. You're like, could God make a rock so big he can't move it? And the robot, like, pow, it explodes.

Really? That was Star Trek? Well, that wasn't the question, but there are ideas. You can malfunction an AI if you ask it the right question. That's the perfect one. Could God make a rock so big that even he couldn't move it? That's a good one. Yeah.

It's like the... Robot can't handle that shit. Can can't handle it gonna pop. That's what we think. That's how you fight these things But the riddles riddle Fight the robo with a real yeah But but but it there's you see you're talking about this riddle yeah but but but it there's you see you're talking about this it's very similar to a lot of mystical conceptualizations of way human life is which is that human beings are antennas for a transcendent intelligence that tunes into the specific genetic code that is inside of every person that unique code is like a radio station that the uh vast supernatural undiscovered transcendent cloud of consciousness that they used to call god

tunes into or is channeled through it's the same idea with robots the idea will be there will be this ai existing in the cloud that whenever it wants to will be able to pop into a machine what's that sounds that a car alarm it's weird it's coming through the you hear it in the headphones it sounds yeah it's freaking me out Jesus Jamie what could it be maybe it's the toilet overflowing there's a car alarm going off. Hopefully it's not yours. I don't Think my car the government man. They don't want us to talk about this. They love it the government loves us. You know They do the military loves this shit. That's one of the that's one of the engines pushing this thing next door's alarm going off

Sorry ladies and gentlemen. Do you think this is really a conscious effort? Like people love what's going on, like they actually enjoy it? Or do you think that it's just this inevitable thing that people are trying to profit off of in one way or another, be a part of it, benefit from, just ride this wave, just stay on the board as long as you can? Do you think it's more of that than it is like they love it because it's good for business Like that's how we would like to look at the government. They love chaos. They love war. They profit off of it

It's good for business. God if only we were that easy It's it's just not that easy man there, you know when I I just interviewed Doblin and he's talking about You know going into the Pentagon to talk about using MDMA to treat PTSD with these high level people. And they're not like you hippie, druggie. They're like, oh, OK, I think we understand what you're saying. And that's kind of stunning when you realize that this that that that you can't demonize all facets of the government. There are people in parts of the government that must be awful, nefarious, greedy fucks,

but also in there, there's great people who really want the world to be better, and to think that just because you end up with a government job therefore means you're evil is the most ridiculous, stupid idea of all time. It doesn't. It's a lot of people man they actually want to they're not like us like we're comedians we enjoy telling jokes and

we have a podcast and i think we both have our own desire to like help the world but some people they want to help the world so fucking bad that through high school they volunteer they get out of high school go to fucking college join the Peace Corps and they give their entire lives up making very little money to try to help people and those people sometimes they get into the military and sometimes they get into the government because they see that as the most efficient obvious way of helping the world and so yeah we can't do the whole black and white thing anymore. But some of those people are not, oh, let's have AI.

Some of those people are just like us. They're like, holy shit. This is incredible. Let's fund this and see where we can take it. Let's see what we can do with it. Everyone's like that. Well, isn't that best case scenario is that our government actually becomes cool? Is that the internet sort of forces only cool people into office and our government becomes something we can all tolerate?

Yeah, that's a dream. I mean, that would be the ultimate thing. I mean, the structure itself is really only a problem when enough corruption exists to capitalize on the holes in the system. Yeah. Like being influenced by big money corporations that twist policy to suit their needs so they can profit. All that stuff's a problem. Yes. But the system itself is not the worst system in the world. Nope.

It's not awful if everybody was cool. If you had an entire system of, think of a very nice person. Who's your favorite person? Who's one of the sweetest, most intelligent? How about DJ Doug Pound? DJ Doug Pound. DJ Doug Pound's cool as fuck, smart as hell. person who's your favorite person who's like one of the sweetest most intelligent how about dj doug pound dj doug pound dj doug pounds cool as fuck smart as one of the coolest people on earth um if he was in a position of uh mayor or governor or you know senator if the whole system was built with guys like that it'd be be the coolest. It'd be the greatest thing ever. Weirdest. It would be fantastic.

Most beautiful world ever. Every congressman DJ Doug Pound. That'd be amazing. That kind of guy. That kind of guy. The kind of guy who's not trying to fuck you over. Just wants to have fun with his friends. Is very creative. Very intelligent and very considerate. Yeah. Yeah. Well that's possible man. That's fucking possible.

We just don't think it's possible because these wolves have been in office for so long. Right. Snapping at each other's heels. Keeping all the competitors at bay. Yeah. Wolfing it out. Right.

Big corporations are stuffing their wolf assholes. Yeah. Picking up their wolf tail and they're just packing money in their wolf assholes and sending them out there to do their bidding. Yeah. That's what they become. They become these fucking dogs yeah these monsters that are just at the very tip of this hill that we're chasing them up yeah with sticks pointy sticks and realize if they're gone it's like all that

criminal corrupt bullshit that we think of when we think of the worst aspects of government if all that shit goes away so you know what we're left with? DJ Doug Pounce. Okay? Just cool, smart people that make rational choices and aren't going to give in to greed. Holy shit. And here's the other thing, man. It shouldn't be a full-time job.

Okay? It should be something that you contribute to every now and again. And people try to do our best. Like, we all take turns running the government. Like, everybody gets a week.

You know? And it's a fucking very, you know, it's a very prestigious job. Everybody gets very excited about the possibility of representing our country for a week. And you go there and you do your best to do the will of the people. You make rational choices. You all try to talk it through. And everybody knows it's very possible

one day you're going to get called, man. You're going to get called and they're going to ask you to be the president for a week and you've got to step in because you're a fucking American and that's what we do. And they go, Duncan Trussell, you are president for the week and you'll go on TV and you go, I am so not prepared but I promise as an American I am going to do my

best to do what's right, to do what's ethical and to do what benefits the greater humanity of the world. And I'm going to do it day after tomorrow humanity of the world and i'm gonna do it day after tomorrow because i procrastinate everything my trainer's coming over and i have to beat off but if that was like what happened like everybody got to be the president for a week everybody had it'd be amazing jury duty it's a it's a what you're talking about is a beautiful idea and and i think that it's possible.

I think that's the other crazy thing about this time we're in is it's possible. When people hear that, you know, and obviously we're not talking about that literally, but when people hear what you're saying, any kind of optimism right now in general in the world is met with a pretty severe eye roll. Like, come on. do you really think you can clear out those wolves we're talking about a fucking government that is bought and sold it is controlled by the prison industrial complex it is controlled by big pharma it is controlled by the military industrial complex these people their pockets are loaded with so much fucking dough

and they have been so conditioned by a game that dehumanizes people to the point where they no longer see giant swaths of humans in other countries as people. It is important to realize that these wolves that you're talking about, we're talking about a different species here, friend. If you look at what's going on in the uk with these organized pedophile rings that seem to consist of people in the highest level of government i can't remember who it was one of the investigators said it seems to be built into the system in some way what yeah look it up it's scary fucking shit man that's insane so when you look i avoided that stuff because it bums me out when i saw those those stories but that's what they're saying that's what

they're saying but here's the difference here's the difference and that's horrifying to imagine because you know this we hear it's so funny to hear with the UK government and people are like what but now you hear about a priest doing it and people are like yeah that just. It's like you're looking at an organized system that has as part of the and horrible as it sounds is because the difference today, as opposed to 30 years ago, is that we get to say it in front of however many zillions of people listen to your podcast, and that info instantly travels around the world. 30 years ago, if you think that if there truly is an organized group of pedophiles that have as their membership high-ranking government officials, not just probably in the UK, but in the United States too, if that really does exist, it didn't just start today or last week or two years ago. That's been around for a long, long time.

So the difference between back then and now is that shit is getting everywhere. Everyone on planet Earth is aware of this investigation. You can't get that genie back in the bottle, even though I think a lot of people are trying. They're saying that the whistleblowers for this are not going to have immunity. That's one thing that the government has said.

If you're a whistleblower for this weird ring of pedophiles, no immunity. You're going to jail, too. So they're like squelching. There seems to be an element that is trying to push this shit down, of course, because if it's true, some speculate that even members of the royal family could be involved

in this shit. It's a deep, dark David Lynch-level level twin peaks shit coaster but the the that might be one of the best descriptions ever say that again a deep dark dav David Lynch-level shit coaster. Twin Peaks style. Worms deep in the ground. But the positive thing is they're getting exposed in a way that they could never have been exposed before.

So, yeah, I think that any kind of darkness that is existing on the world, it's very good to use the example of wolves being driven up a hill with torches It's just in this case the torches are Edwards the torchbearers or Edward Snowden Julian Assange all the whistleblowers who have the fucking guts to reveal and illuminate this probably Pretty built in old system of humans that have victimized children, victimized children and the world and the planet, and seem to take a lot of pleasure from victimizing other human beings. It's there. It might be our secret religion. Who knows? Do you think that the reason why this stuff exists more in the older countries,

the reason why this system might be in place in somewhere like the uk i mean this is horrible reality like that jimmy seville guy that guy that was the presenter on television that it turned out was some crazy pedophile yes these guys that are in this country i mean england is an amazing country right london's fantastic one of the weirdest things about weirdest things about London when you walk around is you see the age of things. And it makes you as an American feel like, God, my country's a baby. Like this country's been around for a thousand fucking years. But does it not have the echoes of those old people? Yes.

Just like we talked about before, the echoes of savages. Yes. Does it not have that? Sure. And don't you think that the best case of escaping that is almost like literally escaping the physical space of that country? Absolutely. And the people that are trapped there, it might take them longer to shake that shit out. Yeah.

Well, especially if you look at the epigenetic research coming out, the idea that phobias get passed down genetically from one generation to the next, then you're also kind of looking at, it's a really curious thing, and this is pure woo-woo hippie ramble, so I get it. Everybody out there is going to tweet something how wrong this is, but I was thinking like these countries where war has been going on forever,

if epigenetics, if what they're saying about epigenetics is correct and that phobias get passed down somehow chromosomally, then if there's a place where war has been happening long enough, then there is the potential that encoded genetically into the people who've been living there is like all the phobias and fears and terror that comes from living in a war zone for hundreds and hundreds of years. That like it's inside of them somehow. It's like made its way inside of them. It's a really scary thing to think.

And that the problem that we are experiencing is not just our own inner turmoil that comes from all the loss and catastrophe that is inevitable in human life, but that we're also dealing with all the turmoil and catastrophe of our ancestors. And that, you know, the United States, it's been, you know, our wars are happening elsewhere. That's one of the spoiled brat aspects of our warlike country, is that we don't experience what it's like to hear the hum of a drone and suddenly have the incineration of a landmark that we have grown up around. We haven't experienced that. That's why the motto of

the Weather Underground, that terrorist organization, the homeland terror organization that was trying to protest Vietnam, their motto was bring the war back home. They wanted to blow up buildings in the United States to demonstrate to people this is what it looks like when bombs go off. We're doing that there. So if this epigenetic shit is correct, a lot of people living in the United States, they're not going to have the same kind of phobias

in their chromosomes that people living in countries that have been exposed to war for hundreds of years would have. Yeah, there's no getting around it, right? No getting around it. they're chromosomes that people living in countries that have been exposed to war for hundreds of years would have. Yeah. There's no getting around it, right? No getting around it. If you look at like bees, like you look at a bee that makes a beehive, we were talking about bees earlier today, like what it would be like to be a bee, right? It might be some beautiful thing.

Yeah. Where's the bee getting the information to build that hive? Why are they all doing the exact same thing? Right. How do they figure out that they're supposed to go get the nectar, and then they're covered with pollen, and then they fly over to the other flower? Is that encoded in them somehow? It must be.

If they can't communicate, they're all doing it. I think it's a frequency that their structure is tuning into. Like if you saw a remote control car a tiny little remote control car zipping around on the table and it was like avoiding obstacles and going to exactly where it would go if you were like let me look inside the car to find the way that it's able to figure all this shit out you would be missing what was really happening which is that the car is tuning in to a frequency that is directing it. So, listen, I mean, again. No, it's a totally fascinating concept, and it might totally be right.

I mean, think about how many different bugs exhibit the exact same behavior, all of them all over the world. They have their own little groups. They exhibit the same behavior. They know how to build these leafcutter ants. They build these gigantic compounds yeah dig holes they create little areas where like leaves ferment you know like it's it's a bizarre complicated thing they figured out how to all do like it's not so out of the question to think that they're getting that

from the sky or they're getting that from some some frequency they have a channel they can tune it in and we can't well it's and you get into like you know dimensional stuff where it's like okay if it's epigenetics and if information is being transferred not just in writing uh and not just in the teachings of the parents to the kids, but chromosomally, then that means that every living entity is the very tip of a temporal appendage that stretches all the way back to the big bag. So it's not just an ant. It's the end of the genetic line of that particular ant's family tree that goes all the way back through time, and it's transferring

information via a chromosome so this is a creature you're looking at the very tip of it it's like what um douglas adams said about mice and hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy that mice were actually the very tip of the appendages of a super intelligent creature that likes to study scientists that's beautiful it's so cool man but but in the same way it's like every single one of us is just the tip of this temporal appendage erupting into this dimension in it uh connected to us theoretically by the way don't ever fucking show of uh some of my stoner one internet article on epigenetics or you won't suddenly become a doctor of epigenetics and won't shut up about it so i'm sorry but if that stuff is true man and memories are being transferred chromosomally then that means that we are the very end of a telephone wire that goes back through all our ancestors all the way down to proto hominids and before that to whatever

fucking shit we were in the beginning and that information is like zinging up through through time and is uh determining possibly determining what we like and what we don't like it totally makes sense i mean this is the most recent civilization in modern world is America. And this is the most recent version of it, California. This is like everybody got, they landed on the East Coast and they went, fuck this. And they kept going. Right. And the really crazy fuckers made it all the way over to here.

This is like the latest version. If you go back the furthest, go back the furthest go back the furthest you're in Africa, right? You're in Iraq. Yeah, you know, that's that's the bit that so my assertion was always that that's those are the townies of the world Right, that's what that is. Like this is where the this is where the people started Everybody who's left is still believing shit that was written down on tablets, but they never got a fresh influx of DNA All right, they're still dealing with the old operating system They have Windows 95 on the machines and they never got out right never got DNA. They're still dealing with the old operating system. They have Windows 95 on their machines. And they never got out.

They never got out. They're still there. And not only that, they're dealing with loss. They're dealing with massive loss left and right. Massive loss. More than a million people dead over there. So the need for revenge is through the roof. The madness is through the roof.

The loss of loved ones is all the chaos that comes along with that through the roof, which almost reinforces the old ways of thinking. That's it, man. It's less than new DNA. It's rekindling the most primal of DNA, the animal that wants to kill the other attacking animals. Yeah. Yeah. You got to listen, man. If you live in a country where war is happening all the time, you got a lot to work with, man.

There's a lot of shit that you've seen and a lot of fear that you've seen, that you've witnessed. And this is like this interview I did with Doblin was really cool. He's talking about how one of the folks that helps out at MAPS is like one of the Rockefeller descendants who, and I can't remember his name now, is like one of the Rockefeller descendants who, and I can't remember his name now, but who has recognized that in these war-torn parts of the world, if you really want to heal the psychic damage that has been done to these people, it's going to require MDMA-assisted psychotherapy or some kind of psychotropic substance

where you could get in there and help deal with these traumatic memories that people have over there. That has to be a part of reconstruction, is not just going and building, not just blowing a place up and then flying in and being like, all right, we'll help you build it back up, guys. We're fine now, right? Everybody's cool. Hey, we made you a water treatment plant. Yes, we did. yeah yes we did yes we did no it's like you got to get in there and like and not just there everywhere like we got to get in

there and we have to start you know doing a lot of inner work with ourselves so that we can um so that we're not going to fuck up once this once we hit a certain mph when it comes to technological acceleration you know that's that's the thing there's two jobs work on the self and then do as much as you can to help in the world you want to be the force of kindness you want to be that wave of positivity that you're talking about because the hope is that the more that there there is the more it'll trickle to trickle uh into into the as i'm saying this i'm like oh god they're blowing people up man they're how do you fix that you know i just right what's this there's one part of me that's like i know that if i know that the combination

of these technologies along with a shift towards the positive or the concerted effort by a certain number of people to turn their attention to the Potentiality of our species can create an incredible change in the planet and then there's another part of me. That's like no friend No nuclear proliferation biological weapons there's no fucking way to like There's no way to uh to stop it is that true though because if we look at life right now no nuclear war no biological war why would we think that that's inevitable if we're

smart enough to avoid that right now with all the conflicts over mineral rights and oil in the fucking antarctic region and the soviet union's planting flags and new spots near greenland or wherever the fuck they are. We're still not blowing each other up. Why do we have to think that that shit's inevitable? If we're all on the same trend, if human beings are not tolerating the shit overall that we did before, if people are more aware of what we were talking about before, that's one of the reasons why it's so horrific when you see acts of violence today.

When you see someone blowing up a mosque today. When you see someone gunning down people at a synagogue. Any crazy religious motivated things, especially innocent people that you don't even know, but they were the wrong religion, so you gunned them down. It's the worst representation of the human mindset, right? Yes. When you're seeing that and you're seeing the potential, you're seeing this potential for oneness, almost like a DMT trip.

You're almost seeing like a living, breathing DMT trip that is around it. It's got these organic, frustrated souls trapped in terrible scenarios without any of it being their doing. terrible scenarios without any of it being there doing born in the Congo born in Iraq during the war born in Afghanistan all the above born in Vietnam during the Vietnam War all this stuff is going on at the same time yeah all this chaos and fucking outdated crazy monkey having a murder rampage take body shit. Yeah. And all that's going on right when the electronic DMT trip is happening. Yes.

All together at once. And threaten each other in certain ways. That's right. Organisms. Yeah, well, that's what it seems like, man. And then you get into some really tricky terrain here because you've got to, like... Isn't this race an organism? Well i think i think it is i think we're looking at a super organism all of humanity yeah super organism has some form of schizophrenia super organism it's like a tree and every single branch of the tree is a human being

and that tree that is all the some of the branches are fighting with each other. It doesn't know it's a tree yet. Or another way to put it might be the tree is fighting over what kind of fruit to bear. Part of the tree wants to bear super radical Islamic fruit. You know what I mean? It wants people to get up early in the morning pray pray it wants women to wear burqas and it wants there to be that now that's an extreme version and i don't know how how enormous that population is uh actually you know when i did a a lot one of my live podcasts man we're i asked there was a muslim in the audience and this guy was like yeah and i had him come on stage and talk about isis and he's like we fucking we hate them

like that's not what it is at all that's just the most extreme ridiculous version of it um and he was as sweet as could be man this guy was like the opposite of any thing that you would consider to be even mildly fucked up or dangerous he like saying this like beautiful prayer it didn't feel like he was secretly anything at all it was a beautiful thing man it was really cool of course so of course so but you know there's a lot of people who say, no, no, no, no, no. The whole fucking thing's fucked. That if we're really going to make this a better planet, then more and more and more and more and more. We have to abandon these antiquated symbol structures. We have to turn our eyes away from our addiction to the past and focus on the now.

I don't agree with that. I think there's a lot of beauty to be harvested and all that stuff but still man it's like it's a complicated problem because what do we do when 3d printers meet dna what do we do when you can 3d print an ebola virus what do you do when you can when that technology is accessible to anyone who wants it. Because that's the problem is that where everybody's going to have this level of power. And you really do just need two people. You want to like fuck up guns? You want to fuck up guns for everybody? What do you do?

You start shooting people. Start shooting people. You want to fuck up and inevitably what happens? What happens? Someone will do it. If there's guns, inevitably, some fucking asshole who is either going to hallucinate a bird talking to him or just have a fucking chip on his shoulder about his boss is going to go into a fucking place and shoot up a bunch of people. And that ruins it

for all of us. Now, if you own a gun, some people will think you're a fucking asshole for no reason, just because they don't understand that it's fun to blow up things at a firing range. It's just fun. It has nothing else. I just like watching skeet explode from time to time. That's it. It doesn't indicate some darkness in my heart. It's fun to be outside.

It's fun to watch shit blow up. It's fun to hear big booms. It's fun to hear big booms. It's fun. So anyway, that's beside the point. The point is that's a gun, right? The fucking guns that are coming, man. The shit that's coming down the pipes. The fact that you're going to be able to have some wet works bio lab in your basement and harvest some kind of weird shit. The weaponry that's going gonna be accessible to People in the future is gonna be way more powerful than what we have now and that's the scary part Don't you think that's kind of built into this system that in order for us to progress?

To this next level the only thing that's holding us back is that there's gonna be a certain amount of people that are left behind So the idea is this system is almost holding us back is that there's going to be a certain amount of people that are left behind. So the idea is this system is almost ensuring by providing almost everyone with the same technological capabilities to destroy the world that we all have to get it together. Like you have to force people to take care of all the fucked up spots. Yes. Literally, we have to literally embrace the idea of us as a super organism. And any spot we see that's sick, we have to heal it immediately. We can't look at some cancerous thing and go, I'm not even going to get that checked

out. What's cancerous? The worst aspects of Skid Row. Skid Row is cancerous. Skid Row is a, if you haven't been and you go to LA, you really should go through downtown and see Skid Row because it's shocking. Yes. It's one of the most densely packed representations of people with mental health issues, people despondent, drug addicts, all jammed into this area and they're all living out of boxes. And it's like, it's one of those things where you just go, okay, what is, is anyone going anyone going to do anything like what are they going to do just kind of yeah put up places to feed them

you know is there a way to fix this is there a way to help these people is there a way is there a way to get the medication do you get them counseling is it is there a way like what can we do like or is everybody just going to ignore that you have a cancer in the middle of your city yeah like if you drive by that that's a spot that's sick. Like, that spot's sick. If that's us, if that's not us in our best versions of Duncan Trussell going hiking, yeah, we're going to Laurel Canyon. Hey, everybody, I'm drinking water.

Yeah. I got a new trainer. Yeah. There's that, and then there's this. Yeah. You know, and you see Skid Row. You go, okay, what the fuck is going on there? What are you going to do with those people?

The Congo. What are you going to do with India? What are you going to do with those people? The Congo, what are you going to do with India? What are you going to do with all parts? What do you mean India? Which part of India? Most of it. How about there's three times as many people and one third as much room as America? Right. And they're going to keep going too, right?

They're going to keep having sex with people. Yeah. And, oh, yeah, so that's a problem, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. So, but, and see, but that's where you get into real interesting terrain, which is that, okay, because the thing that you're talking about, I'm pretty sure, going in and cleaning up the cancer. It's almost totally socialism. It might make Alex Jones' butthole suck so far inside of him that it would cause the singularity.

John Rogan. He would be very upset. Clean up the cancer! What are you going to do? Put him in camps? What are you going to do? Femur camps! Yeah, are you going to put him in Femur?

Because it is that. No, it's not that, though. It's kind of the opposite. It's kind of figure out some way to give them... I mean, we would look at it like, if you look at Skid Row, how much money would it cost to clean up Skid Row? How much money would it cost to almost up Skid Row? How much money would it cost to almost assign a SWAT team of specialists that can reintroduce homeless people back into society in a comfortable way and get them jobs, train them, and have money?

How much money would that cost? Would it be even what the Iraq war costs in a day? That's true. You could fix giant spots on earth with money. And everybody's like, oh, you can't just throw money at the problem. It's our tax dollars. I'm talking

about the exact same tax dollars redistributed. That's cool. If you really don't like the government taking your tax dollars, I completely understand. I completely understand. But guess what? You don't have any choice now your tax dollars, I completely understand. I completely understand. But, guess what? You don't have any choice now as to what they do with it. Wouldn't you be happy if they took the same

amount of money and they just put more of it towards that? More of it towards fixing up all these fucked up neighborhoods where everybody's born into severe poverty. That's cool. That's a fucking cancer spot. And you could call me socialist because I kind of am with that. With that kind of stuff, I kind of am.

I am with people that are trapped in bad circumstances. I am with babies. I am with children that grow up in horrible environments. I'm totally socialist. Yeah. I don't think those kids should have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. No. I think there should be a way that we prevent these people that live in the worst spots in the world from from continuing

with that horrible like state of living that horrible quality of life where you're you're getting sick all the time like justin wren who's a friend of mine from the ufc he used to fight in the ufc and now he's been working with the congos and the pygmies and these pygmies in the congos are like the sweetest people and he helps them he gets a medication we helped fund wells there yeah and we we get people to donate money on bitcoin and i matched the money and then we bought wells oh that's dude it's this guy's the coolest but these these people they didn't ask to be born there man and they have these bulging stomachs because these little kids have all these parasites inside of them.

And they have bad water. And it's one of the reasons why so many of them get sick. So this guy's going over there, man. And this guy is helping these people in a very tangible, very real sense. He's right there in that. And when you see that someone out there is like that, it gives everybody a little more hope. That's what we have to do. What we have to do is make sure that all those spots where there's people, all those spots

where there's people, they get brought up to a normal way of living. Like a normal way of living. Medicine, education, food. We can do that. We can do that. And all we have to do is just put different people in charge of getting all the money right but just prop other people prop instead of war profiting you just have like hope profiting yeah all these different organizations that people are like drawn to and they want like a guy like

justin wren drawn to he has to go over there right he spent six months over there he gets malaria he got fucking malaria fuck yeah fuck these people are out there man yeah they're out there and then the idea is like instead of those instead of like recognizing those people are out there recognize that they're out there and then become one of them that's the next step become one you know it's like this guy cornfield jack cornfield this buddhist teacher tells me about buddhism he says we don't want you to be a buddhist we want you to be the buddha don't be a fucking don't you you want to become that you and anyone can that's the other thing man you can instantaneously right now uh by calling the number on your screen you can

instantaneously right right now, no doubt about it, within the next hour, regardless of your economic situation, give some percentage of what you have in a way that's probably barely going to affect your life to some cause that in mass would create what you're talking about. The healing beam, the transformation, the shift.

It could easily be done. You could do it right this second. You could, and it could also be done with taxes. It needs to be both. It's not just taxes because, again, that goes back to the government. The government, government, government, government, government. Right, but the government, at least we could look at the books. Private citizens to start opening up companies and go over there and do charity work

and wind up pocketing a lot of the money like it still hits us back at the core level We got to figure out a way to eliminate greed and figure out a way to elevate people up to like a normal health status That's right like modern living. That's right if they want to but what if they don't want to if they don't want I mean, there's a lot of people that live in the jungle Brazil. They probably like fuck this man I like it right here or like the guy i passed next to the 7-eleven yesterday who i saw shoot up with black tar heroin he i don't know if that if like i don't think that's gonna like i if i can't imagine what conversation and like some nice air-conditioned dome i could have with that guy but you know what what? That's not fair. Who knows? What if you gave him Ibogaine? What if there was, or what if we developed like an actual, you know, super cure for addiction

and you could like snap him out of it? Well, listen, man, I had a guy on my podcast today and he was really interesting. Dr. Andrew Hill. And he's the guy who created this stuff. It's like a nootropic blend. It's called True Brain. Oh, cool. He's got like three different ones.

You can try it if you want. It was good. I had the one with caffeine earlier anyway very very cool and uh interesting guy and he was talking about this very thing well you know and you know this very thing is uh this is a lot you know about singularity university kurzweil and i think his name's Diamandes. You wrote this book Abundance. I can never get his name right. But so basically the idea is what are the world's big problems? How do we fix them using the law of accelerating returns? And it's really the thing you're doing right now is the most is is almost as important as fixing the problem the it's like what Tim Ferris told me when he was interviewing like super wealthy people he said they

asked better questions it's the question it's like fearlessly asking the big fucking questions like what do we do to heal skid row how do you fund what how do you get fresh water to all the parts of the world that are currently drinking diseased water how do you do it and how do we use this new technology this new emergent technology to get that to people well this is this guy's specialty is one of his specialties is using neurofeedback to cure people of ADHD To cure people of all sorts of issues by figuring out a way to give them to empower them how to manipulate their brain waves Wow all done through technology all legit aboveboard all no woo woo stuff at all all fascinating biofeedback stuff super open-minded guy like really

biofeedback stuff, super open-minded guy, like really fascinated about the concept of fixing certain addictions and weird behaviors by monitoring neurofeedback and figuring out how the mind works. Really interesting stuff, dude. Really, like, some of the stuff that they've created, they've been able to eliminate seizures in people who are epileptic by giving them the ability to manipulate the way their their mind works wow like changing the gears in your mind teaching you how to manipulate it and move it and train it wow really really really fascinating stuff so when you know that guys like that are out there that are doing this kind of shit you know like ibogaine is one but he was talking about a bunch of things he was telling a bunch of things even sometimes shock therapy

what he says is it's what seems to need to happen is it needs to be a complete reset of the system. Then he said a bunch of medical terms that I don't remember. I'll have to go back over and listen to exactly how he described it. It happens. But he said these transformative experiences are like very, very important for resetting and reshaping essentially what we've been saying. It's like you operate on momentum. You just got the momentum of the world clipping at your heels and it's almost like you can't get out of your own way. Right.

So this guy is talking about it from a neuroscientist standpoint. So it's really interesting to get a guy who really knows what the fuck he's talking about kind of affirm what your suspicions might be in some sort of a vague way. You mean your suspicions might be in some sort of a vague way, you know?

You mean your suspicions being like the reset that comes from a super duper psychedelic trip? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, man. Like, you know, like you need to step outside yourself. Yes. And or, you know, the reset that comes when you have some tragic event happen in your life. Sometimes, yeah.

You know, yeah, it's always that moment where you're like, oh shit. Cause it's like, it's kind of like a bit, a really intense game of make-believe. That's what society is. Like everybody's playing these roles in it and everyone's really committed to the game in the most intense way possible. And you get so committed to the particular role that you're playing, whatever it may be, that you forget that that's just one role out of an infinite number of possible ways that you could be. You don't have to be stuck in your current system of predilections or to really break it down.

People are either attracted to certain... People tend to be attracted to things or repelled by things. Right. And the things that you're attracted to, some people aren't attracted to. And the things that you're repelled by, some people are not repelled by, they're attracted to. So the question is, how much can you change your levels of attraction or desire and aversion?

change your levels of attraction or desire and aversion, how trapped are you in that, in whatever your particular modality is? Can you get out of that? And you sure as fuck can. And these psychedelic trips are definitely one way. Meditation is another way to figure it out. It seems like whoever we are, whoever we are, we are operating on some sort of an operating system. And that operating system is your personality. It's like it allows you to go through this life with some sort of a weird semblance of how things are going to be because you know how they just were. Yes. And it can be empowering or it can be extremely disempowering especially if you don't like certain aspects of your past you know if they you you're frustrated with them defining you yeah and that's where

things like psychedelic experiences can really come in handy because they jolt you out of this or the death of a loved one could have a similar effect you know obviously much more tragic and much more difficult to get out of but if you know you talk to someone and they lost a loved one could have a similar effect, you know, obviously much more tragic and much more difficult to get out of. But if, you know, you talk to someone and they lost a loved one, regular trivial bullshit is really not going to affect them the same way. It's going to affect someone who's living a bored life, who wants to gossip about shit. If someone loses their mom, they don't want to gossip about nothing, man. You know, it's like there's just this reality to things that's totally different. People can go, and when they go you you're gonna miss them you're gonna miss your loved ones yeah and we're all gonna get out of this one time or another while while everybody else is going well

that's where it becomes simultaneously tragic and then on top of it there's that DMT thing that you get taught where it's like right yes your mom died guess what you're gonna die too and everyone's gonna die and everyone's already died there's so many people died before you and then somewhere in there because you know man that thing you're talking about there the the waking up that happens from a death that involves grief, that's like the very beginning part of the thing that you're given when a parent dies. But then the next thing you're given after that is pretty fucking incredible, which is that you realize that they don't seem to be gone. You know what I mean? to be gone. You know what I mean? That even though that their physical body isn't here anymore, you really do feel them in certain ways inside of you. Not in a delusional way, like, oh, the spirit of my mom is following me around, but it feels like you can feel your mom and your heart

all the time, always there. All the love that they give you, all this thing behind all the bullshit. Everyone's got bullshit because we're human beings, but this thing behind all the bullshit. Everyone's got bullshit because we're human beings, but the thing behind all that, that's what sticks around inside of you. And it's really, it's really beautiful. And I think, you know, whenever I take a DMT trip, because my tendency is for my attention to go to the grief, for my attention to go to the, Oh God, I don't want to die. And I don't want to lose anybody else. And I can't believe how many people are going to die and everyone's going to, that my attention habitually goes to there. But whenever you like smoke DMT,

one thing that I've noticed when I've done it, uh, outside of whatever the statute of limitations is, is that, uh, you're immediately given this view of one of the most beautiful things you've ever seen in your life and there appears most beautiful the most perhaps the most beautiful in the sin there's there's sentience to it it's alive however for whatever reason it does not feel like it's coming from you it feels like it's outside of things alive and you're like somebody you're like somebody you just had a hard day at work and just walked into the ultimate surprise party where everyone's

like hey and it's like oh god it's beautiful but i'm so fucking tired and oh i'm so sad and oh, I feel like shit. And it's like the message it gives you is, right. See, you are clinging to this identity of the sad, tired, unhappy person. But if you just let go for a second, you're going to have a really good time at this party. you're going to have a really good time at this party. You know? And that's the identity reset that I think that they're talking about. And it's so possible because that's a game. The game of the hunched over businessman with the briefcase and the weary face and the big sighs and the depressed tweets and the,

oh man, this fucking world. That's a role you are playing a part. You are like fucking Daniel Day-Lewis, and you are committing fully to the part of the mopey, depressed businessman. That's a part, and you're winning awards for it left and right in the form of all the people who secretly hate you. Or all the people who you make feel sad. You're having a real effect in the world. When you try to sell someone something, you're wearing a suit and tie. Aren't you doing a ritual dance?

Yes, you are. Yes, you are. A hypnotic dance. You're throwing up those fucking tail feathers and sucking in the gullible... Yeah, it's a dance. Let me tell you something. I can make you a deal on one of these 2014's F-150. They changed the structure to aluminum, but I'll tell you what.

I don't like it, buddy. I like the old steel. I like the good old steel, and I'm going to make a real good deal on that. Joe. They have a way of talking to you, and you're just like, huh, huh, huh. That's what salesmanship is.

It's really good acting. Yeah, and that's what being a pickup artist is, and that's what, yeah, it's the same idea. It's pickup. It's trickery. It's trickery. It's like, yeah, but a cool thing to realize is, yeah but but a cool thing to realize is and it's a fun thing to realize and it's a blasphemous thing to realize and blasphemy it's blasphemous because

you want to believe that you're a victim and you want to believe it's nice to feel like you can blame other people it's the best it's the best to come home and put the fucking briefcase down and take the sigh and sink down into your couch now you got an excuse to slurp back that whiskey that you've been trying to pour all over your uh happiness um that's frozen under the ice of the role that you're playing it's fun it's fun to be like that but the psychedelic the the the psychic the mushroom the the psychedelic reminds you. It won't let you get away with that. It's like, no, no, no. I'm sorry, friend, but you're in the Garden of Eden. It's beautiful here and perfect. And oh, get ready for some really bad news. You're perfect. We love you. You're wonderful.

You're forgiven. You haven't done anything bad. Everything that you think is bad is something that you did when you're in a kind of dream. You were sleepwalking. We don't care. We love you no matter what. And whenever you're ready to accept that, we're right here for you. And that sucks. Because if you're really hooked on being Elliot Smith and you're really getting off on that fucking dark hell that you're in, it's a little

annoying to realize like, yo, you're fucking giving away the thing, man. Don't let people know I'm committed to this. It's like they say, Daniel Day Lewis, he had to get carried around during my left foot by the crew because he committed so much to the role of being a paraplegic that they had to carry him from one place to the next because the way he acts it's incredibly disruptive to him if people talk to him as daniel day lewis that he wants to be the role that he's in so in the same way when dmt comes along and is like um mr lewis no that is not who i am i am a depressed man who is middle-aged and is terrified and is trying to control people who aren't acting the way I want them to act. I am not fucking Mr.

Trussell, whoever you just called me. I'm not a being of love. I'm a being of darkness. And it's like, no, you're just playing make-believe, man. You don't have to keep playing that. You have shiny shoes. You have shiny, slippery shoes on. you have shiny shoes you have shiny slippery shoes on yeah Why do you have a tie clip on? Why are you wearing a fucking why are you wearing a noose the geometric patterns on it oh? You know that's one of the things that those Secret Service dudes Like any guy who has to wear a tie on the job they all have clip-ons you can't choke those guys all right that makes sense yeah but but you know if you're a business it's not being a businessman is any

better or worse than any other role that you're playing it's what's bad is when you forget that you're playing the role well the the realization that you've come to while on a psychedelic trip that'll have to be almost the realization that everybody comes to when technology and information, they meet head on. When we hit the fork in the road, the tip of the spear, if you get to the part where both sides are moving in an unstoppable pace, there's got to be a way. There's got to be a way. There's got to be a way to bring everybody into the party. Yeah.

And if you don't, if more people don't know about it, if more people don't experience this pause in history where people across the entire planet are waking up and saying, wait a minute, this thing, this whole thing might not be what we think it is. This whole thing might not be what we think it is. This whole thing might not be what we think it is. Right.

This crazy desire that we have as finite life forms to build a nest egg and put together some fucking structure somewhere that you're going to stuff with shit. And doing so, in doing so, feed this weird machine. You're throwing money into it and it's chewing the money out. And it's about to fucking give birth. It's got its robot legs in the air, and its robot pussy's quivering, and it's just throwing money into its robot tits, and it's just chewing that robot money up,

and it's ready to give birth. It's ready to give birth to some sentient, super-intelligent thing that will then give birth to other sentient, super intelligent things that will figure out a way to completely rewire the entire earth. All of our waste will then be converted into a positive. Everything that's negative, all pollution will be engineered out of commission and into some sort of a oxygen cleaning machine that fuels itself on pollution to the point where it gets to a certain point and when it runs out, it just spits flowers. When it runs out, it takes whatever remnants and shoots flowers into the sky.

And that's where you walk. You're going to have rose petals falling from the street because the sky is going to be perfectly clear. Sure. Yeah. Why not? Why not? Why not?

I mean, if you look at what's going on now compared to what was going on a Thousand years ago. This is a wonderful wonderful time and also in this book abundance Highly recommend it for anybody who's into not feeling like you're in hell who wrote it. I can't pronounce his name Can you look it up? I'll look it up. Dia Mondes. He's one of the co-founders of Singularity University Let me look it up real quick and he's one of the guys that thinks it's all gonna be rosy well it's not like they think everything's they recognize that see this the thing

about the areas I Peter Diamandis yeah the the thing about this law of accelerating returns is it doesn't just apply to great things it also applies to chaos so so so these guys, these guys understand that the collapse, that the collapse is going to have the same kind of velocity as the, whatever this thing is. So I don't think they're so naive about it. They're just, they've just recognized this, what we're calling a baby being born. They've recognized the things being born. They can kind of predict what phase of birth it's in.

And based on that prediction, they can predict what's coming out next. And based on that prediction, they can start working right now to solve some of the big problems out there. And one of the things he says is that in a lot of countries, you know, the amount of people who have phones right now is just insane. Or the amount it costs. One example he gives is this. The amount it would have cost to light your house prior to electricity with like wax candles or lanterns is so much more expensive than the amount it costs to light your house now. It's so much cheaper. The technology of lighting is accessible to almost all levels of economy, except for the ultra super, very, very, very, very poor. And there's a lot of them out there, but having a light bulb in your shack can still happen. And if you have a light bulb in your shack, you're doing a hell of a lot better than a lot of people used to have to have tallow. I can't remember what he called it, like old school wax.

And there's a lot of other examples, which is part of what he's saying is there's a few problems we have to solve right now. One of them is clean water. We've got to get clean water for so many people in the world who just don't have it. They're drinking poison every day. So that's something we've got to figure out. And then there's a few other biggies like that. And people like him are of the opinion that these are very solvable problems based on current predictions

involving the direction that technology is going in and Kurzweil's fucking predictions are coming true man there's a lot of people who roll their eyes and Wozniak recently came out and said you know used to think that stuff was crap but now he's realizing it's true you know this is happening it's definitely happening and folks like Diamandis or they're trying to steer the boat in the direction of utopia because they know that it could be done and Wow, yeah, it's cool. I've heard people criticize Kurzweil's ideas saying that he doesn't really understand human biology

He doesn't understand the biology of the brain, but I think his point his point is I think is that it's not gonna matter you're not gonna have to be able to replicate everything the brain does and how it does it in order to recreate consciousness the consciousness may be independent of that you might be able to literally you might be able to transfer it I hope so that's gonna be so bizarre if that really does happen if they can figure out a way to download your consciousness into a computer if that really becomes... I mean, right now, it's like... It's one of those things that they're working on,

but it seems like a pipe dream, right? Doesn't it to you still? What? Consciousness transference? Yeah, downloading consciousness into a computer, that seems like a pipe dream, right? It seems like a pipe dream until... Okay, so imagine... But I believe it could happen. I'm sorry.

I think it could too. I believe it could happen. I think it could too, man. You're an antenna. You're an antenna you're that you're an antenna consisting of all the nano particles all the way up to what you are right now that combination of everything inside the meat body that you're currently that's called joe rogan is in some configuration right now it's in some exact configuration or maybe in the deepest

levels it's kind of like harmonic vibrations or weird resonances that are happening in the nanotubules of your dendrites or something but regardless the place what this thing in front of me right now the idea is if i duplicate it exactly uh is it going to be you is it going to be exactly you as are right now? And if it's if we really are antenna then yeah It's gonna tune in the thing that you're tuning in and maybe both of you will be tuning it in at the same time Maybe they'll be this weird sense of being stretched into two different forms or maybe you will actually have to extinguish one form to Experience the other one who the fuck knows but that would be

the ultimate pull right if they can prove that that form the form of virtual life is more rewarding more powerful more beautiful i mean if you went into a virtual life if you plugged into the matrix and you were in avatar and you were in love with that blue chick and you're just flying around dragons together you might you might do it, you might do it, dude. You might do it. I mean, it might feel amazing. It might feel just wonderful.

Right. I mean, okay. So it's like, okay, let's imagine, let's imagine that we could do this just by, just because we've gotten to the point in history where through some form of analysis,

we can scan the human body and tune consciousness in in a virtual land right but you're still out here it's just temporarily your consciousness has been transferred into Avatar world where you're flying dragons uh making love to these Amazonian blue skin women imagine like an hour and a half of living in this planet when you knew you had to come back and you're like you know i don't think i'm gonna come back i think i'm just gonna stay how do you pay for it though you have to get a job well you're in the cloud now you don't have to get a job you've been assimilated in the cloud what if your credit card comes up in the cloud and they're like look we need to go on missions and you go what yeah and you realize you have to earn your keep even in the virtual world they don't tell you that until

you sign up nobody would sign up if we told them that but you have to be our virtual slave to pay for your virtual account yeah so you can keep riding virtual dragons and here i want to show you something really funny and then it goes to the webcam or the computer your body sitting in front of and it's just some guys like mouth fucking your paralyzed meat body. That's a that's the thing, too. What happens to our bodies if our consciousness gets transferred? That's a very good point. What are they going to do with all these bodies?

And what if you want to go back? Can you go back? And if you go back, what if you're what if you go back and you're like like a person with brain damage? Like what if you go back and you don't get it it's just it doesn't work anymore it's not quite right it's not quite right or what happens when you're out of it and some other fucking thing pops in and pretends to be you like what about that if we're tuning in stuff because really what we're talking about here is if you do believe we've gone a real far i mean imagine though if we did transfer you back and forth? And you went there, and you were just a meat box for a while.

And then you came back like six months later, but you were like brain damaged. But you had fantastic stories. Yeah. You were just like, they let me back, but you can't believe what's on the other side. There's dragons. They fly. The dragons fly. The people are big.

They're blue. It's amazing. They talk to the tree. They link up with the tree. The dragons fly. The people are big. They're blue. It's amazing. They talk to the tree. They link up with the tree. The dragon, and you seizure. And you try to decide whether or not you're telling the truth. We believe he's delusional. Something happened to Duncan.

We think he had some sort of a seizure. And when he returned, he thought that he had lived for seven years in the clouds with giant blue people. Obviously, that didn't happen Okay, he was only unconscious for a half an hour. You're like yeah And you know you know what they don't know you know you know that you crossed over, but you ran out of money well Larry's kick right back bitch. Well that is gonna be part of it They stay take everything and then you like you know you like six years What happens after six years happen Think if that happened right now.

Right now. Oh, everybody would sign up for it. No, I'm saying as you're going to your car, right now as you're walking to your car, you're like, that was a good podcast, man. This is so cool. I get to be Joe Rogan. I host the UFC. And fucking awesome.

And all of a sudden, a pop-up. It's like, bling. Your credits have expired for the Joe Rogan experience. If you wish to continue, you're like, how uh your credits have expired for the joe rogan experience if you wish to continue like how do i even fucking pay for this then you just come to you're some sweaty guys sweaty ethiopian and a wife cater on that fucking that and what's that cat that stuff they chew caught caught how do you say it i don't know it's disgusting someone gave me some amphetamine yeah you're just on a weird amphetamine hallucinating but you know man i think that uh that's probably something uh that we're that's that's the kind of thing we are gonna have to deal with based on this

new vr i've seen vr addiction is going to be a very very real thing so you you called me when I was in front of the improv. I picked up the phone. I've told about 10 people the story. And you're like, dude, this changes everything. Yeah. This is bigger than the internet. Yeah. And I was like, what?

And I was really high. And I was about to go on stage. And I was listening to this. And I was like, what the fuck, dude? Like, what are you talking about? Like, what happened? And you told me about this video that you saw. Like, explain the video of going up to that piano. Oh the video this is like you know and shit's gotten like five

probably 10 times better since this by the way but this was uh it's a demo of um oculus rift and you put this on and suddenly you're like in a loft in new york and uh you're watching this guy who's like looking at you like he knows you and he's smoking a cigarette and he starts playing piano and you look around you're in a fucking loft man it looks like it's like tracked perfectly it was it looks you're you just are suddenly in this other place and it feels really intimate like it feels like you know the guy this is before i tried vr porn by the way um which i must have told you made me stumble i must have told you about do you have to pee i don't have to pee because i know you sorry i'm wriggling around no but you i know you you told me you warned me i warned joe you banged through two hours like like a champion i can't well that's because I squeezed it out right before it came on.

Squeezed it. But yeah, have you tried VR porn? No, I'm scared. I'm scared to lose my life in that. In the porn? Yeah, lose your life in VR porn? Jesus Christ, son. Joe, you're gonna try it. Do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Eat a hash cookie, put on the VR

porn goggles, slap warm baby oil over your cock. Yeah. No, you're not going to slap warm baby oil over your cock. It's going to have sex with you. Yeah, you're going to put some kind of sleeve on your cock. Oh, Jesus. That is going to perfectly replicate exactly what's happening inside the VR. Do you think you'd be a one-pump chump under those circumstances?

The first time. How many times did you'd be a one-pump chump under those circumstances? The first time. How many times did you fuck in a day? I'd go to Duncan's house. Hey, man, I haven't seen you for a while, so I thought I'd just check in on you. You've lost 50 pounds. Your cheeks are sunken in. Your eyeballs are sitting deep in the back of your head. You're like, Hey, man, you got any water?

You got any liquids, man? You got any Pedialyte? My cock has just been rubbed down to some kind of red mucousy tendril. Outer layers of the onion have been peeled away. Your dick is just raw. Yeah. Yeah. The first time.

Yeah. What'd you feel? One pump jump? The first time. I just picture your fucking pizza boxes stacking up, Mountain Dew. You just fucking hands up in the air. I win! I fucking win!

My chihuahua chewing discarded cum napkins just because it hasn't eaten in days. So it's just trying to get protein from anything Crazy loud 3d porn coming out of the fucking Sennheiser headphones Ignore it put it god damn it. I can't come with this fucking dog barking. Yeah, you're gonna put it back back That's it. But that is, I mean, that is it. That is it. That's what you're looking at, man.

Oh, God. Is that crazy? Well, I mean, yeah, man. I mean, this is. I'm terrified. Because porn is already. I'm sure that from time to time you occasionally will look upon porn. What the fuck?

I imagine you do from time to time. And it look upon porn. What the fuck? I imagine you do from time to time. And it's already incredibly engrossing just in 2D space. So when suddenly you find yourself in a room that's not your room with a girl that you've never seen in your life riding you and looking at you like she really loves you. Wow. And then you look down and it's not your body anymore and that's not your cock and you look back up at this beautiful girl who seems to really like she's known you for a long time it seems like you're in a really good part of your relationship you know what i mean like that's the one that i saw but it's like, for a lot of people, I think that's going to be real hard to come back from.

It's going to be real hard to peel those goggles off and walk into your living room where your wife is passed out on the sofa. And maybe your blanket falls down and all the farts that have been held in there from the Campbell's chunky soup that she ate earlier come wafting up into your face, you know, and you look down at your body and it's, you know, it's just a normal body. It's not the ripped tattooed dude who was fucking whoever that girl was. And you're going to like have this strange kind of virtual jetlag where you have to accept that the paradigm that you're existing in is not a perfect paradigm that's gonna be hard for a lot of people to to deal with I think that's

gonna be a real a real problem that's a real problem man I think it I think you're right and I think the visual aspect of it and just having the robot thing on your dick that that's so crude. That's like one step. They're going to figure out a way to tap those ideas directly into your brain. You're going to be able to experience it. You're going to be able to experience it. I think it's probably going to come in the form,

obviously I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about, but if I had to guess, like if I had just random speculation on the future, If I had to guess, like if I had just random speculation on the future, I think we're going to find a way to record memories on a device in HD. They're going to find a way to either do something with the eyes or figure out a way through something you wear to tune in to the reality that you're experiencing from head to toe. Tune it in through a frequency. to tune in to the reality that you're experiencing from head to toe. You're right. Tune it in through a frequency.

Record it on some sort of a hard drive, a little tiny flash thing, and we'll have a little flash thing in the back of our head, or who knows, man. Maybe it'll even all just be in the cloud all around you all the time. I think that's more likely. Very likely. And we'll be able to dip into the bank of other people's experiences. We'll have the antenna that'll shoot right into our memory or right into our mind or right into our experience center. And boom, I'm living Duncan Trussell's life.

I'm snowboarding as Duncan Trussell. And right when I start with it, Jimi Hendrix, Manic Depression is playing. You wake up snowboarding in your body listening to Jimi Hendrix and I'm living your life for the next hour two hours that you recorded this and put it up on YouTube. That's what YouTube becomes. YouTube becomes everybody gets to

live what you're living. It goes total next level. It makes YouTube today look like cave drawings. They figure out a way to tap deep into the actual memory itself. Even missing your dog, even thinking, when I get home, I'm going to definitely throw out that toilet. Yeah. All that stuff is going to be in your head.

You're going to be all of it recorded. All of it recorded. You're going to be in an ocean of memories digitally recorded in the cloud. Be in an ocean of memories digitally recorded in the cloud. And also, don't forget, possibly, maybe, suddenly, graveyards or preserved brains become reservoirs of old memories. So you might even be able to harvest the memories of the dead. Who knows? If epigenetics, if these memories are being stored or encoded, maybe you could go into the DNA of a mummy.

Don't they have Einstein's brain? I hope. Don't they? I don't know. I feel like they preserved Einstein's brain. I think they got it. They were just doing experiments on it and shit, trying to find out why it's so wacky, strong, super powerful. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine that?

Fucking waking Einstein up in a computer and the first thing he's like, what? Wait, where am I? What? What have you done? Yeah. What have you fucking assholes done? Who let you do this? Yeah.

Okay. Shut me off. No. I was having a great time. No. I was up in heaven. No, I'm not going to shut you off. I'm going to drop you into World of Warcraft.

Now what are you going to do, Einstein? You better get some magic, bitch. You better level up. Level up! You better level up. That's going to be weird to think that we're going to be able to resurrect anyone whose DNA still exists and drop them into video games and torture them just for fun. Well, when you were talking about porn being a real problem, the other thing that's going

to be a real problem is that, video games. Video games are going to be a crazy problem. Because as awesome as they are now, dude, I get jealous. I was watching this thing on Kim.com. Kim.com was apparently the number one Call of Duty player in the world at one point. You know who he is, right? Yes, I do. He's the guy who runs Mega Upload.

Yep. And they took all of his money. It's like this crazy thing with America. They're saying he's fleeing justice because he won't come to America, stays in New Zealand. And reports are he's the coolest guy ever. He seems very, very, very, very, very cool. And for whatever reason, anyway, the point is they had this tour of his house. And, you know, he's kind of going over the details of his case.

But I was watching, like, his video game room. He's got, like, a room where he plays this fucking game. I can't even watch it for a few minutes. I watch it for a few minutes. I go, God, that must be fucking awesome. Yeah. That must be so awesome to play. God, maybe I'll just get into it.

No, no, I can't fucking do it. But this is going to be nothing. This is almost like a pit stop you don't even have to take. Like, dude, hold, are you this hungry? Because in half an hour, there's a Kentucky Fried Chicken, and they got that new Double Double. Have you had that? Dude.

Yeah. You know, it's like you pass, like, Mike's Shit Burgers, you know? Yeah. And you're like, just hang on for another half hour. That's what I feel like. It's like, what they're coming out with with these goggles. Yeah. Even Carmack said it to me the other day. on for another half hour. That's what I feel like. It's like, what they're coming out with with these goggles. Sorry, even CarMax said it to me the other day. He asked me if I had been

indoctrinated. Oh, I saw that tweet, man. I turned green with jealousy. CarMax tweeting you? That's incredible, man. I met him a bunch of times, man. Holy shit. I played Quake against his crew. That was nuts. Yeah, I saw that. It was one of the coolest things ever, dude. He's right about indoctrinated, too,

because it is an indoctrination. And the people who, like, indoctrinate you, like my pal Johnny Ross, when he brought me to this special room to try this VR shit out, he's like, get ready. Get ready. This'll change you. This is gonna blow your mind. He's totally right, too, man. Dude, we should fly to Dallas, you and me.

We should film it for the show. The show that we're gonna do? Yes. We should fly to Dallas and hang out with Carmack. That'd be awesome. He's an intimidatingly intelligent guy. We definitely need to get you to try out the most updated... I'm scared. You need to try it. You gotta try it, man.

I'm scared. Of course I'll try it. But I'm scared. Is this the new Magic Leap thing? Yeah, it's the video they put out last week of... This is supposedly what it's going to look like. Okay, let's see what Magic Leap looks like here. Can the folks at home see some version of this? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to go pee, it's that video they put out last week of, this is supposedly what it's going to look like. Okay, let's see what magic leap looks like here. Can the folks at home see some version of this?

Yeah. Okay. I'm going to go pee while it's happening. Make that happen, Duncan. Duncan is healthy. New, healthy. Fit, Duncan. Keeping it together, Duncan. Oh my god. So this magic leap, it lets holograms appear in front of you, and they're

spinning. This person in this video is spinning these holograms and moving them around and stretching them and touching them as if they're the interface on a computer. He just loaded up a game. He's about to play a video game right now. So he's about to play a video game right now in his head. This is fucking insane. And he grabs a gun? Yep.

Where does he get that gun? That's a plastic gun,'s he get that gun that's a plastic gun right or it's a visual virtual but it can't be virtual because he's holding it in his hand I think it's virtual no chance what they're trying to say that's what they're trying to say yeah I think I'd be I'd rather have a real gun that's a real gun but this is pretty dope so he's playing video games in his house yeah he's shooting things that are in his house. This might be the end of the world. Okay come on dude.

Who's gonna fucking go outside and play stickball? Tell me that. What kid is gonna go play stickball when you can do this? This is the dopest shit the world has ever seen. Oh my god man. Oh my god you're getting attacked by a robot. This is terrifying. Oh shit.

Did you hear the guy. Oh, shit. Did you hear the guy scream? Oh, shit. He's literally out of breath. Kids are going to get in shape. We're going to develop super warriors because they're going to be constantly running around playing video games on one of those omnidirectional treadmills. Yeah. This is insane, man.

We haven't seen Black Mirror yet, but a lot of the stuff you guys are just talking about. They talked about it all? Yeah. On the new episode? I'm not going to spoil it. Don't spoil it because everybody told me that the new episode is insanely good. You got to see it. Almost everything you and Duncan just talked about.

Of course. It's all on these episodes. Of course. Have you seen the new episode of, what is it called again? Black Mirror? No. Have you seen it? I've seen one episode of that show and I liked it.

It was weird. It was the pig fucking episode. That's the only one I've seen one episode of that show, and I liked it. It was weird. It was the pig fucking episode. That's the only one I've seen. Yeah, that was good. Whoa. It's like, what kind of a crazy fucking show is this? I mean, that was a really interesting dilemma that guy was facing. Yeah.

That was a fascinating show. But the new one is supposed to be awesome and deals with a lot of the stuff that we just talked about. There's a bunch of people that are aware that we're in some weird space. We just showed the games that you play on Magic Leap. Have you seen it? Where you just shoot the people in your living room and you've got robots coming after you. It's insane.

Insanely cool. Yeah, that's right, man. That stuff is really cool. That's the data visualization. That's the idea that we're sort of surrounded by this mist of data and that technology is going to visualize it in all these new ways. Like currently the way it's visualized is in 2D on the screen in our pockets.

Yeah. But the idea of like, you know, just cool shit like as you're driving your tweets or any tweets that you come flying into your car or, you know, tweets will become 3d things floating around people or my friend my friend pemberton says uh it's all going to be uh johnny pemberton funny guy you see he says that it's going to be like credit is going to become the new form of elitism and that you're in your augmented reality land your credit score can float around you so yeah so people get you know that kind of shit like it's going to be weird because the way that people build themselves up is in augmented reality is going to be hilarious. Like the trophies you wear, like little augmented reality medals that you wear. Because, you know, like, you know, what's a big deal for people?

My Twitter followers. You know what I mean? People are really into that. The number of Twitter followers you have is some kind of indication of your fame. So that kind of shit, people are going to figure out ways to wear it in augmented reality space in kind of subtle ways, but ways that people can see it. It used to be if you wanted to brag about your success, the way you would visualize it was by wearing gold. You know what I mean?

People still do it. Right. They want to subtly say say I'm a rich motherfucker By showing you their cold watch or gold chains. It's like see I'm actually wearing a rare metal That's because I'm doing good Recognize it, but but the new way of doing that it's gonna be you know shit There really is more relevant which is like you know well what are you gonna look like in that virtual world i mean if it's predicated on how much money you have like what if you what

if you look like that persian guy from 300 the giant guy what was his name xerxes xerxes yeah how about that shit son that's when you're super ball and you're 10 feet tall 10 foot tall persian dude but cool earrings but you can only look like that if you've got a 700 credit score and have a Citibank card. But you can look like that if you have a 700 credit score and a Citibank card. You can look like that. That's something to aspire to, Duncan. Feed the machine, Duncan. Because it's like, think of the, what's that stupid car thing that people get really into?

The black American Express. He's got the black car. But it's like things like that, like stupid stupid ways that we try to like the stupid tail feathers that you try to throw. Do you not understand he's a baller Duncan Truss? He's got a black, or the or the like, you know, there's just so many ways that people try to, or the new

Apple Watch. And if you want you can get one for $19,000 with a gold chain. And then like you can go around and show everybody, look, I'm loaded. I think it's 10 grand 10 grand for the super-expensive one 10 grand It's crazy, but still it's very funny that the way we try to indicate our worth or value is through a rare metal When when what what really indicates a person's value these days is not so much like, can you afford to wear rare metal? It's a lot of other stuff that goes into it.

You know, it's not just the jewels that you wear. Or, you know, like, that's a thing. You give your girlfriend a diamond. And then they wear it. Or some women are, you know, like the thing. It's like a boring cliche in movies where it's like, ooh, he got you a giant diamond. And it's like a big, it's a big deal. It's just so funny the way that we, those things are going to be outdated with augmented reality.

It's going to be certain add-ons to your physical form that you can only obtain via shit tons of money or some other social online standing which demonstrates your worth in the cloud. So for now, embrace the physical reality. Enjoy the shit out of cheeseburgers and milkshakes and sex. You know, just have a good time. Give a lot of hugs out because it's going to get real virtual. Yeah, that's right. Real quick. Yeah, it's coming.

Get all the reality stuff out while you can that's right within 100 years it's not going to be here we're all going to be living inside a cloud 10 10 years 10 years jesus i'd say 10 i mean 10 years and we're all in some we're all using some form of augmented reality technology but but all these people man when you ask them the people who are really like in the know about this, when you ask them, what do you predict in 10 years? They're like, they're like, forget it, man. You want me to tell you what things are going to look like when they're five times as fast as they are now? That's what you want me to tell you?

You want me to predict what kind of innovations come from an Apple computer five times as fast as the fastest Apple computer on planet Earth? I can't do that. It's impossible to guess. We don't know. It's a big fucking question mark. Especially when you start talking about decades. Yeah. Can't do it.

Two decades? Yeah. Who knows? Go back in time 10 years and predict this. How accurately would you have predicted some of the things happening right now? And you wouldn't have predicted Uber. You wouldn't have predicted most things. Who would have predicted podcasts?

Let's go there. Oh, yeah. That's right. Do you remember that Christian Slater movie where he was the rebel that was broadcasting the pirate radio show? Do you remember that? He had a run and hide. Oh, yeah. He was broadcasting pirate radio. That's hilarious.

I forgot about that. That's so funny. I'm going to have to watch that tonight. Tie it up, man. Tie is fucking going to play you the cool songs, not that fucking Jessie's Girl bullshit that you're listening to. No, I wish that I had Jessie. Meanwhile, Jessie's Girl is a badass jam.

You know? Maybe Christian Slater just has obscure taste. He doesn't have to shove it down his throat. What he needs to do is buy a goddamn radio license like everybody else. And set up a business. Terrestrial radio. Terrestrial radio.

Terrestrial radio. With the government. He needs to get it. Why doesn't he do that? Why does he have to be a pirate? He needs to get licensed. Get licensed. Pay the government.

They're due. You criminal. Broadcasting music through the sky without a license. It's ridiculous. He had a fucking dangerous situation. He was running from the cops, but it was more important to him to continue broadcasting shitty music over the forbidden skies to fight the power that it was to stay free. He was going to take chances. He was so beautiful.

He had great bone structure. Such a cute man with a sort of young Jack Nicholson thing going on. Oh, look, there he is. Broadcasting from his car. Pump up the volume. Dude. Come on, son. The first podcaster.

Pump up the volume. He was the first podcaster. He was driving around yelling at people, the sky's falling. And they're like, God damn it, we're so glad you're here. Look at the real, it's so funny. The idea that some young guy, too, it's always great. Like some young guy who gets it. And there's like these older people that just don't get it.

You know how annoying this dude would be in real life? Some young guy driving on the street. The government is stealing. Taxes are stealing. Ugh young guy driving on the street. The government is stealing! Taxes are stealing! Ugh, this fucking guy. I don't know what he was protesting about. What was he protesting about? Wanted to play the Smiths? I need to!

I need to educate you people on good fucking music! Come over to our house! Let's play Vinyl! Dude, I remember that movie. I need to educate you people on good fucking music. Come over our house. Let's play vinyl. Dude, I remember that movie. I thought he was the coolest fucking guy ever. I thought he was the coolest guy ever. Yeah. Girls would love him.

Why can't I be him? I wish I was a rebel. God, man. You watch those movies? Those guys would be so perfect. God, I wish I could be like John Cusack and say anything. Just stand there with that boombox in my head and get the girl back. Or what's his name in...

What about Footloose? Remember Footloose? Yes, I wish I was so free that I could come to some small town and dance and still try to pick up girls. And pretend that I'm not gay. I'm just showing up dancing. Who the fuck is dancing? Kevin Bacon, that's who, bitch. Shows up, he's got fucking moves, he's been practicing.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. How come you haven't been doing man type shit son how come you he just shows up hanging around barns and shit bleeding dancing and they overthrow the old fuddy duddies that's right the fucking preacher had the sluttiest girl the daughter remember yeah preacher's daughter he was banging her she was all upset classic classic i guess that's what the singularity is, right? It's just Kevin Bacon coming to our dimension and like teaching us all how to

overcome the oppression of old power structures. We're just in Footloose. With a fancy two-step. Footloose. Fixes everything. And Kenny Loggins songs. God, I heard that song the other day. Footloose. Well, how about there's fucking geniuses that remade that movie.

How about that? How about someone sat around. They remade it. Oh, they already did. They already did it. Yeah. Someone watched Footloose and goes, God damn. We need to do this again.

How come they haven't? First of all, how come they haven't done that with Roadhouse? Okay. You know what they need to do? That dude from the HBO show, Danny McBride. You know Danny, that hilarious dude? Oh, yeah, man. Totally.

He needs to do Roadhouse. That'd be amazing. Do his version of Roadhouse. He needs to do anything. That's one of the funniest people ever. If he did a real, if they did the exact same script, exactly the way it happened, I bet it would be one of the funniest movies of all time. It'd be so funny. It'd be incredible.

You should pitch that to him. You could probably do it. Danny McBride, and for that Sam guy with the thick mustache, Danny Trio. Oh, yeah. I'm a casting agent. Yeah. You could do that. Come on, dude.

That would be an amazing movie. Who wouldn't? That's a great goddamn fucking movie. Yeah. You could do that. Come on, dude. That would be an amazing movie. Who wouldn't? That's a great goddamn fucking movie. Yeah, that'd be incredible. Danny McBride as Patrick Swayze and Danny Trejo as that Sam dude. So funny. Sam, what is his name? God damn it.

The guy who does the truck commercials. Ram trucks. Ram tough. Doesn't he do a Ram commercial? I'm not sure you mean. I'm confused. I thought you were talking about the guy who used to be in jail. Yeah,

but I'm talking about the guy in the roadhouse movie in the roadhouse movie. What is his name? Sam Elliott. That's right. You know who Sam Elliott is, son. How dare you? You know,

Sam Elliott is right. No, I would almost want to lie and say, I do. I'm embarrassed. I'm looking it up right now. I'll pull it up for you There he is. Oh, yeah

You know that guy is So in the Danny McBride version that guy is played by Danny trio. Oh, that's cool cuz he's a guy that gets jacked and then I don't want to spoiler alert Roadhouse, but he's a guy to get jacked and then The Patrick Swayze guy has to go in and kick some ass so who plays the badass dude who plays this guy there's there's some other guys they would back up real quick I want to show the guys that they would fight with there's some other dudes right that's just all

pictures of him that's not necessarily all Roadhouse but there was whoever there was a guy who was the number one karate guy that Patrick Swayze had to fight. Excuse me. The guy at the end where he kills him. Remember that? Yeah. That was the guy they brought in. The fucking super badass guy. I don't know. Who plays him?

That guy? Yes. I vote for Mario Lopez. There you go. Perfect. Yep. Handsome. Beautiful. Can act. Can box. Have you seen. Perfect. Yep. Handsome. Beautiful. Have you seen the- Can act. Can box. Have you seen The Fistfoot Way?

Of course I have. It's so fucking good. That guy's genius, man. He's genius. He's just funny as shit all times. He is so funny. Did you see that movie, The End? Or This is the End?

Whatever the one it was with James Franco and- No, I haven't seen that. I'm glad you reminded me. I gotta see that. Holy shit, is he funny in that movie. Holy shit, is he funny in that movie. That might be his funniest role ever. I'm not bullshitting. I hate when people say that, and I said it earlier. Can't wait to watch it. And I'm not bullshitting.

Maybe sometimes I bullshit, but not now. I gotta go soon. I do too. So, what a crappy way to end the podcast. I'm sorry. There's no good way to end these things. Excuse me, ladies and'm sorry there's no good way to end these things excuse me ladies and gentlemen there's no good way to end these things they're too fun right we were too high starting out i was at least i was a little on the high side god damn i was tumbling because i had a point but we were we were both so energetic and so energized to say but i had a point

about like super left-wing people and i totally lost it in mid-thought all right i don't know where it went but that's i think you did a pretty good job talking about how they disguise their aggression and they're in the clothes of whatever the thing is they're doing it's just your people are going to use some some people are going to use symbol structures to try to make the world a better place and some people are going to use symbol structures to punch you with it's like somebody who's like putting on like a boxing glove that's like it's like a velvet glove it's like someone punching you with velvet it's they're still punching me that's why it feels like shit when you get around people who are inflicting their aggression on you

with some kind of I think it's ultimately a good lesson though it's ultimately a lesson that there's there's no real one ideology that's got it nailed and you're going to have weirdos in every single group and the the real thing that we have to all sort of come to some sort of an agreement on is that we're all part of this organism right that's that's what we keep getting to the only way to fix this thing is if we all really do have some sort of ultimate power like if technology continues to exponentially increase to the point where the average person can just hit the universe reset switch is there's too much power there's just it becomes some crazy singularity moment where the average person has

weight you mean the power that you have and your phone is so indescribable to someone who lives in ancient Rome it's all it's indescribable to someone who lived in ancient Rome. It's indescribable. And if it continues that way, and somehow or another the cat gets out of the bag, and they invent some way to literally, everybody has the power to stop life as we know it at any given time. That's the only way everybody looks at everybody as just as important as them. It's really almost the only way to cure the disease that is the craziness of humanity. The craziness of humanity is like this weird thing where we can be two human beings,

can either be madly in love or the best of friends or so appreciative of each other or at each other's throats trying to kill each other with their fingers. Just, no, you piece of shit. Like trying to kill each other with their fingers. Just, no, you piece of shit. Like trying to hit each other in the head with rocks fighting. It could easily happen one way or the other. And the amount of times that it happens the right way is incredible.

If you look at the numbers that we're dealing with, 300 plus million people in this country, the amount of kindness and the amount of happiness is off the charts. It's just not salacious. It doesn't draw us in. It doesn't scare us, so we don't focus on it. And by not focusing on it and instead focusing on fear or focusing on hate or focusing on blame, we sort of perpetrate it. We sort of perpetrate it.

And the more people could focus on figuring out a way to just interface as nicely with all the people around you as possible. As friendly and easily with all the people around you as possible. The more you can figure out a way to do that, the better off the whole planet is. It'll ripple. And there's going to be people that violate it. There's going to be people that don't play along. There's going to be people that try to exploit it and fuck the... It doesn't matter, man. Eventually, we'll figure that out.

Yes. Eventually, we'll overwhelm that. There's a new ethic. And the new ethic is brought about by this way that we communicate now. That's right. That doesn't exist before. And I think, also, you have to become a person of action. Like your friend who you're talking about is like,

who's helping people get water in the Congo. Dude. Anyone listening can become that guy. Anyone listening right now can start taking steps in the direction of doing that. And if you don't have time, go to Fight for the Forgotten. Just Google Fight for the Forgotten. I think it's fightforthevergotten.org. I'll pull it up right now cuz he's cool as fuck

What I? Didn't say anything. I thought Jamie did didn't I think it's fight for the forgotten calm. Yes, it is. It's fight for the forgotten calm one word fight for the forgotten calm It's just a genuine real cool guy a real sweet guy and you know I mean he kind of throws into the face The idea that a lot of people have about MMA fighters, too They think they're brutes and and you know mean people he couldn't be kinder

I mean look at this picture of him hanging out with these pygmies. Oh wow I do this as real as they can he's as real as they come. I just love that guy I love that guys like that exist It's just it was we live in a cool's just, we live in a cool time, man. We live in a cool time. Duncan motherfucking Trussell. Can I make an announcement? This podcast.

Yes. I'm going to be at the Improv doing a live podcast recording on April 18th. The Improv where? Here. Oh, my God. Live podcast recording. Los Angeles, California? The Los Angeles Improv.

Oh, my God. Duncan Trussell Los Angeles, California? The Los Angeles Improv. Oh, my God. Looking trestle. Live podcast with Daniele Bolelli. Oh, my Jesus God, man. Working on a third guest. I don't know. So that's happening. Yeah.

What day is that? That is a Saturday night? I guess it is. It might be off on the date. I think it's the 18th or the 19th, but you can look on my website. There's a Saturday, April 18th. Here, let me look. 2015. I'll tell youth but you can look on my website there's a saturday april 18th here let me look 2015 tell you right now it's some it's on my website i'm doing a lot of live podcasts coming up on you love those it is so fun man it is so fun to do it really is a blast you like it almost as

much as you like stand-up yes yes i do i do it's well just because it's like you're it's a lot longer than a stand-up show. These things always end up being a lot longer, and there's just more, I don't know, man. I like connecting with people out there, and it's a new medium. It's like a new medium, and it's fun to play around with it and see the best way to do it, and what works and what doesn't work. Hollywood is on the, hold on, the 18th. Yeah, that's the 18th with daniele bellelli

uh and i don't know if i'm working on the next of the other the other guest right now i'm still putting the show together but uh yeah a lot of cool live podcasts coming up like in arlington and cambridge philadelphia and the ones in brooklyn are sold out dunkintrustle.com sold out in Brooklyn, son. I love you. We love you, Duncan. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's it for this day of fun and podcasting. Thanks to Dr. Andrew Hill, who was my first guest, and thanks to Duncan Trussell.

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