The Joe Rogan Experience - #645 - Joe Schilling

Episode Date: May 7, 2015

Joe Schilling is an American Muay Thai kickboxer and MMA fighter who competes in the super middleweight and light heavyweight divisions.

Alright ladies and gentlemen, tomorrow live on Spike TV is Glory World Series with me my man Joe Schilling, last minute edition. I want to talk to you about some shit dude. Let's talk. Because I was working out in my gym yesterday, dying, okay? All I'm doing is hitting pads, no one's hitting me back, I'm fucking exhausted. And what I like to do when I'm working out is I like to put fights on for motivation. And what I like to do when I'm working out is I like to put fights on for motivation. And I'm watching you, and you're fighting in the last man standing tournament.

You've got to fight three times this night. You're fighting. You're going four fucking rounds. Exhausting, ridiculous fight. And then I remember this shit Just dropped Elvis Elvis's left the building yeah, I remember this shit Ryan look I'm sending me this picture What the fuck dude? How are you able to have that kind of cardio?

I mean you fought three times that night for four rounds your first fight before you You won by knockout and you're you're smoking cigarettes yeah how's that possible oh Joe I didn't want to talk about this last time first five minutes of the show here it's just I couldn't believe it I really have a hard time believing it like I was I was watching the fight so I was like how the fuck does this guy have this kind of energy well to be honest I was exhausted in the third round when i went back to my corner i looked at my coach and i'm like you know he's like i think you have to go another round i'm like fuck i did not want to go another round i was exhausted um you know i just wanted to win and that was that's kind of

what it did well it was just a ridiculous fight too yeah i mean it was the whole tournament was ridiculous it's crazy to make someone fight three times in a night. But that first fight was just so fucking back and forth and wild and crazy. And for you to go that hard while you smoke cigarettes. Yeah, I don't, like I said, I can't justify it. I'm really, I'm about ready to quit. My last fight, my cardio was, was you know i've done kickboxing for so long where you know i get tired like anybody else but um for whatever reason it's

never really bothered me that much and in the last fight he was holding me a lot and just the cardio system is completely different and it's uh yeah it's coming to an end i'm getting really sick of smoking i'm getting really sick of explaining having this conversation, Joe. Joe's the reason. When I quit, this will be the reason. Well, good. I wanted to talk to you about these stupid vaporizing things, but Simon Marcus, the guy you're fighting, is a tough motherfucker. You guys go on back and forth three

rounds, and then you go into the fourth round, and you still manage to knock him out in the fourth round. That was a crazy fight. And to know that you're doing all this, giving yourself, I mean, what kind of a cardio deficit do you think cigarettes gives you? Is it 5% maybe? I really don't know.

I've been smoking since before I started doing kickboxing. So it was something that was just, you know, my cardio always sucks at the beginning of the camp, and then by the end of camp I'm outrunning everybody else. I'm sure it's a deficit. You would have amazing cardio if you didn't smoke. I mean think of that. Yeah. Unless, you know what I used to think when I was young? I was really retarded.

I would think that maybe smoking cigarettes is like weight lifting for your lungs. Like it makes your lungs work harder because like if you smoke, if you work out really hard and you smoke like maybe your lungs have to like work extra hard to deal with that smoke and they get stronger. I quit for one fight when it was my last amateur fight.

And my coach, you know, was against it, obviously. He was against you quitting? Oh, against me smoking. He said, come on, man. Don't be a pussy. Have a beer. Exactly. So, yeah, I quit for three months.

I trained really, really hard. And for whatever reason, I was exhausted in the fight and after the second round they're like you know seconds out and i'm like look at my coach i can't stand up like my legs were like locked up and he had to like lift me off the stool and uh i got robbed and i lost that fight but it was you know everybody said i won the fight but whatever but uh that was my coach after the fight was like you know what you quit you did everything i asked you to you know do whatever you want to do after that and wow yeah i wonder if your body was suffering nicotine withdrawal i don't know or if i was overconfident and my cardio was gonna be so much better that i wasn't pacing or something oh that could be right yeah

that's a big issue right that a lot of people that watch fights really have no idea the energy management that's going on. Like, there's a whole bunch of management going on during a fight, and energy management is, like, a big issue. Knowing when to blow it out, and that's why I see, like, a lot of guys. Chael Sonnen on the podcast said it best. He said if you try to win by knockout but don't win by knockout, you often lose the decision. You just don't have the gas to keep going, right?

That's pretty true. How is that an experience thing? You think like when you're you're managing your energy like that in in the ring? I think I think so I think it's a it's also has a lot to do with like hiding how tired you are I mean and like that example for example that fight with Simon Marcus you were talking about I usually the way I hide it now the secrets can be out there, but I'll do like a little walk off. And if you notice, like the ref broke us, John McCarthy broke us. And like I turned my back and I was walking away. And I was like catching my breath.

And then he like, you know, he stalks me. And as he's coming, I'm waiting for that one big shot, you know. So it's like you're exhausted. You pace yourself for a second to give that next explosion, to give that next explosion. You know so it's like you're exhausted you you pace yourself for a second to give that next explosion to right that next explosion you know it's just experience i've i've always been tired in every fight i've ever had so it's i'm at that level you know but like my last fight with bellator you know i was just a different level of exhausted from the wrestling and the jujitsu that i haven't been doing for 15 years of my life and you know i'm at a point now

in my career where it's like i've worked my ass off for so long that like kickboxing comes natural to me you know and with mma it's like if i want to you know yeah i have half of the game down but if i want to really take this to the next level i have to improve on the ground and the wrestling and that's going to take me improving my cardio i think you know so are you committed totally to fighting in both mma and kickboxing or do you do you go back and forth on this or um you know i i love kickboxing and i want to do it forever and if the opportunity stays there for me to do both then yes but i definitely have to step my game up in mma if you know i really hate my record this last fight fucking drives me nuts. The last fight was a close one.

Up until it got to the ground, it just seemed like you were having a real hard time getting up. It's like there's such a giant issue when it comes to the difference between the kind of endurance that you have with grappling and your ability to calculate all the different moves and all the different, like, it takes so long to get grappling information in your body and in your head. There's just so much stuff that's going on. Guys are holding you down. So like there's a few guys that get the takedown defense game down, like Crow Cop did in Pride, and then start to become really successful.

But once they actually get taken down and actually get held down on the ground, like it just saps you of your energy. Right. And it takes away. I was watching. I was like, I wonder how frustrating this is for him because you're used to fighting your style of fight.

Your style of fight is kickboxing. Right. You know, and then all of a sudden you got this guy on top of you and you can't get up and you know, he's holding you down and nothing really was happening on the ground. Like there wasn't, there wasn't a lot of ground and pound.

It wasn't like real significant submission attempts, but it's just keeping you from doing the shit you want to do right yeah it was incredibly frustrating incredibly frustrating do you think about just not doing it anymore uh not really because i you know it's just not who i am when things are frustrating and hard i don't quit you know right i just step it up to the next level usually which is you know something i like about myself so i don't want to change that no that's a good quality for sure it's just you know it's frustrating and then you know i obviously have things that i need to work on and i you know i had stuff in the camp you know i was really sick during the camp and it's you can continue to kick box when you're really sick you know to an extent but like you can't do jujitsu and be like

drooling and slobbering and fucking sweating in some guy's face when you have the flu you know so like for that camp i only had like three weeks of jujitsu and then i was sick for three weeks i had a fucking bronchitis and lung infection and nasty shit which probably fucking smoking wasn't you know you're smoking while you had the bronchitis i was just smoking all the time what i wanted to ask you is about these stupid vaporizer things that people keep sending me. These vape. Yeah, I'm actually sponsored by Firebrand, and it's been good. I think I'm going to start using that stuff to quit.

That's a way better thing for your lungs, right? I mean, I think so. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm sure in 20 years they're going to say that was the reason that Joe got brain cancer. I just wonder how, I mean, I know that being a professional fighter takes a tremendous amount of dedication and time. And I wonder, like when I see you in Glory and I see you also in Bellator, I'm like, man, does this guy have the amount of time that it takes to compete at the level that you compete at in kickboxing in both

I mean do you have the time to put in to jujitsu and to wrestling defense and stuff like that it's been really tough you know at the beginning of the year I was really excited about it oh it's going to be a busy year you know but it's really hard to have a fight and then immediately go right into

another training camp for a different style for another sport but it's really hard to have a fight and then immediately go right into another training camp for a different style or for you know for another sport and it's uh you know it's like this fight my next fight's june 26th and it's like i just fought i'm jumping right back in bellator or bellator oh back in it again yeah which is nice because at least it's two in a row you know right um yeah it should be good i'm leaving tomorrow to uh florida i'll be an american top team for three weeks that That's a good move. I'm going to be sparring with Tiago Alves for his fight

with Carlos Condit and then, you know, working a lot with their wrestling team and with King Mo out there, so. That's very smart for him because, you know,

Carlos and you have similar builds. That's a very smart thing and that's great for you too. That's a great camp as far as like wrestling knowledge and grappling knowledge.

Right. Like I said, you know, I'm not the kind of person that like like, when I lose a fight, I'm like, oh, I don't want to do this shit anymore. I'll just go to where I'm good, you know. Right. What do I need to do different? I need to get with a better team that's more focused on MMA and has better wrestlers. You know, work this out. I totally get that, but I would wonder how you could do both.

Like, that's what I would wonder. I mean, I could totally get you saying, hey like that's what i would wonder i mean i could totally get you saying hey you know what right now i'm in my athletic prime i think that the the eyes are on mma right now and i'm just going to make the jump and just fully make the jump but to do both i mean you're still active at a world-class level in kickboxing you're fighting world champions in kickboxing i'm the real number one contender right now for glory but i couldn't take that shit that's a statement the last person they you know i knocked out simon i was ranked in You're fighting world champions in kickboxing. I'm the real number one contender right now for glory, but I couldn't take that fight. That's a statement, motherfuckers.

The last person, you know, I knocked out Simon. I was ranked number one. He beat two guys that weren't even in the top three and somehow got ranked number one to fight Arctum 11. I'm just saying. Well, those are good fights, though. They were good fights, but that's what I'm saying, Joe. Just got said. It did get said.

It got said. It did get said. It got said. Now, to make the decision, though, to say if you have a camp and you're going to go and do this Bellator fight in June, and then if they offer you a kickboxing fight, say, in August, is that a difficult decision? Do you say, hey, I would rather be kickboxing for four or five months, really get sharp and in the groove, or is it okay to bounce back and forth? Do you do enough kickboxing during four or five months really get sharp and in the groove or is it okay to bounce back and forth do you do enough kickboxing during your mma training uh i think i can go i can go back and forth with kickboxing at that level you know it's just cut out the problem is when i do the kickboxing fight and then they offer me a bellator fight right away because when i if i

fought bellator in june and then i was going to fight kickboxing in August, the end of June, July, and August, I wouldn't be doing any wrestling. I'd be focusing on kickboxing, sparring, all that stuff. So that was kind of the issue. It was going back and forth. Would it make any difference at all if it was a Muay Thai fight instead of kickboxing? Like if you're doing Muay Thai all the time and then went right into MMA where you got a little bit more grappling, would that have any effect? Possibly.

I mean, I still train pretty much the same. The difference would be the elbows for that. Not the clinch work? Not so much. I'm still clinching with kickboxing, just not for as long a period of time. Every referee is different, even with Galore. It's like they say no clinching, but then you watch my fight with Simon, they were still way longer than five seconds of clinching in there.

So training-wise, it's still the same for me. That's one of the reasons why it was so particularly impressive, that first four-round fight, because Simon Marcus is a Muay Thai guy, and he's known, that's one of his specialties is his clinch and he's just very physically strong and he fights a draining kind of fight just really gets a hold of guys manipulates you around throws a lot of knees and elbows in the clinch and the fucking go four rounds with that guy and then fight two more times afterwards and then against Wayne Barrett and fucking Artem Levin like holy shit yeah when i

was walking out or limping out for the you know after i beat simon the first time i was like on a high and then beating you know uh wayne it was just like fuck i gotta fight one it was there was no high it was like i had a fucking one more fight after this is crazy and uh we were in the back dressing room and everyone's just kind of everybody was just in shock and just kind of looking at me like how the fuck are you gonna do this and i'm looking at them i'm like i have no fucking idea i'm gonna do this right now and uh i was limping to the ring and i'm just like and when was this when was the cigarette that cigarette was right after the fight with uh robert thomas in the dressing room ryan lock loco showed up in my dressing room before i got in the

shower and was like taking pictures and i'm like he's like, can I take, I won't take a photo. I'm like, Ryan, just take the picture. And here it is. Now, when you fought in the tournament, you didn't have any cigarettes in between fights or anything, did you? After Simon, I went outside and had a cigarette. True story. Oh, my God. You had a cigarette and then fought twice more.

Damn. I mean, for all this cigarette talk, I should get sponsored by Marlboro, right? You should fuck the Reebok deal and Marlboro What's up cowboy get sponsored by Budweiser? Does he he's always wearing Budweiser shirts. They gotta be throwing him some cash I can't imagine he's not yeah, I don't seem to do without a Budweiser shirt on yeah I could be their poster boy. Yeah. Well, if anybody, like Marble would love you. Yeah. Like, look at this fucking guy. You know? What do you smoke?

What kind of smoke? Marble Lights. There you go. They'd probably be like, look, folks, the lights are okay. Yeah, right? You know, this guy's got great cardio. This is perfect. How does a man fight so many rounds, you know?

Three different guys. One night. Come on. It's not that bad. Right. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a pussy.

Yeah, those vaporizer things, though, they have helped a lot of people, right? Yeah. What about gum? You ever try that shit? I can't stand it. Just the nicotine gum. Just not into it. And I'm like, it can't be good for your mouth.

Going on fucking nicotine. I don't think nicotine is really as bad as the chemicals that are in it and the burning of the um the plant matter i think there's something about the burning of the actual leaves themselves and then the the 500 plus chemicals that the cigarette companies put into uh cigarettes to enhance the flavor and to enhance the addictive properties of it. So there's an interesting topic. So now Philip Morris is making their own weed products now. Is that true?

I heard that they had some big fucking thing and that they're getting ready for the whole distribution. So they have Marlboro weed cigarettes. It's like, go ahead and take something natural and healthy, and then give it to a cigarette company and watch what happens. And then all people will be getting fucking cancer and all kinds of shit from smoking weed. Yeah, right? They'll become Republicans. Something will happen. They'll put some shit in the cigarettes. And you're like, you know what? I don't think I'm real excited about gay marriage.

All of a sudden, people have these weird Republican right-wing views. I think that it's real possible because if you see those natural cigarettes, like those American, one of those American spirits, those are just tobacco, right? Apparently, they taste like shit. Not good? I have a friend smoking them.

I'm not a big fan. And they'll burn forever, which I guess is without the chemicals. Like a cigarette, if you light a cigarette and you sit in an ashtray, it will burn all the way down. Like if you lit like a joint instead of the ashtray, it would burn out. It won't burn the whole thing. But I guess it's the chemicals in it. They keep it lit.

They keep it lit or keep it burning. And then the American Spirits, it's like it takes forever to smoke one. Yeah. Which is kind of good. You only smoke like half of it and get rid of it. But they're disgusting, right? They're pretty nasty, in my opinion. Does it give you the same rush? same rush like that's what you're getting right this nicotine rush, right? Yeah, I mean I guess so we give you the same feeling because I think that tobacco itself is I don't think it's good for you

But I don't think it's nearly as bad for you as the tobacco with all the jazz in it Yeah, right. Did you ever see that movie the insider? Russell Crowe the jazz in it yeah right did you ever see that movie the insider russell crowe it's uh about you know you don't really know how much whenever they do a movie on real life situations you don't know how much fuckery is involved and manipulate things but the movie is about a guy who is a scientist working for cigarette companies that his whole uh deal is figuring out how to make them more addictive. And then he testifies against cigarette companies.

And they're fucking stalking his home, scaring the shit out of him. Apparently, supposedly, you've got to say that, based on a real story. Based on a real story. Yeah, but there are hundreds of chemicals, 500 plus chemicals, that they put into cigarettes for various reasons. Yeah, why would they do that? That menthol taste. I want to know how that got into the black community.

How did menthols... Is that what it was? Is that... No, that's the Newport. Is it Newport? Newport has the Nike sign. I don't know. Cools, that's true, right? It's interesting how certain cigarettes are for... I mean, they're just fucking cigarettes,

but they figured out a way to brand them so they appeal towards certain ethnic groups. You know? Like Lucky Strikes. You gotta be some sort of a savage mechanic with fucking a missing pinky. If you're smoking those filtered Lucky Strikes, you're probably drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon right out of the can. You know, if you're drinking, if you're smoking those filtered Lucky Strikes, you're probably drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon right out of the can, you know? Right.

Your fingernails are always dirty. You're drinking, you know, you're drinking horrible booze and you're smoking Lucky Strikes. Everybody knows that. You don't see black people smoking Lucky Strikes. When you saw a black guy smoking American Spirits, no, those are white hipsters, right?

Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Try to be natural. But Kool's? I just remember Kool's, like there was an Eddie Murphy movie, and they would always have the black guy. Where's my pack of Kool's, man? Give me that pack of Kool's.

My mother used to smoke Kool's. I don't know what that says about my mom. Can't be good. I don't want to say says about my mom can't be good i want to say anything about joe's mom yeah man if you think like if you see a young white gal and she's smoking cools and you're a black guy you probably think you got a shot like i see what she's doing she's sending out the bat signal it's just bizarre that there's certain cigarettes that, uh, they appeal to certain ethnic groups. Yeah. Huh?

Never thought about that. Yeah. It's, um, marketing, man, marketing is fucked. How clean is your diet when you,

I mean, obviously you have the issue with the cigarettes, but other than the issue with the cigarettes, how clean is your diet when you're training? Um, when I'm training, I just, you know,

I don't eat like fast food and shit like that, but that's pretty much it. You know, it's pretty weight management based. I would think, you know, if my weight's good, then I eat, you know what I want. But if it's, uh, you know, when I used to fight like once, once 75, 168, then it was like a month of low carb. It was killing myself.

Chicken salads three times a day. Oh, so you do like, um, like an Atkins type deal. Yeah. When I do low carb, like it works really well to take off the weight. Yeah. Doesn't have Atkins type deal? Yeah. When I do low carb, it works really well. To take off the weight? Yeah. Doesn't that fuck with your energy? Yeah, it would, especially as the fight got closer and I would really start cutting back on carbs.

I would try to keep carbs under 100 a day, and then as I got closer, it would be under 50. And the last week, it would be almost no carbs. And then I'd find myself pulling out in traffic. Your brain works off of carbs and water. So, yeah, it'd be like almost no carbs. And then I'd find myself like pulling out in front of, in traffic. Like your brain works off of carbs and water. So, yeah, it wasn't good. When I went up to 187 for Glory, it was a lot easier to make weight. My performance was way, way, way better. Yeah, I would only imagine.

There's got to be a significant point of, you know, what you would call diminishing returns. Where you can only cut so much weight where it's not gonna benefit. Yeah totally It's not like when you see guys like Frankie Edgar that fought so well at 155 and he weighed 155 and then you see other dudes that are coming down from you know way way above that Oftentimes like in the high 180s like Glace and T-Bow you ever see that guy in real life Wait till you meet him you You're gonna go down to American Top Team? You're gonna look at that guy

and you go, how in the fuck does that guy make 155? It doesn't make any sense. He's huge. I mean, he's fucking huge. I mean, he could be 190. I don't know how he does it. You see him when he's getting ready to weigh in, you're like, that doesn't even make sense.

That's not even 155 now. He gets on the scale, it says 155,. You're like, that doesn't even make sense. Like, that's not even 155 now. He gets on the scale. It says 155. And you're like, huh? How is that possible? Yeah. A lot of those guys, I just don't get it. I just don't understand.

That's the dark secret of MMA. The dark secret of combat sports is the weight cut. It's very dangerous. You heard about that guy that just died recently, kidney failure? No. Yeah, amateur guy. Just died just like a week or two ago. Yeah, he had kidney failure.

They pulled him out, took him to the hospital. I believe he died shortly after. I want to say a day or two later. That's terrible. Yeah, it's that fucking dehydration, man. It's just so dangerous. Yeah, it really is. It really is.

I mean, I've had some really, really bad cuts in the past and obviously the yeah the performance wasn't good but there was a couple ones where it was like walking to the way in like there was it was again uh at commerce casino there's like a long fucking stairway and like every step i would have to stop and like and take another step it took me like 15 minutes to get up the stairs. And it was like the doctor like check, you know, does like the check or whatever beforehand. He's like, I'm not letting you cut another ounce if you don't make it. Usually they give you like two hours to make two more pounds or whatever. He's like, you're not cutting any more weight.

And I had to like tell him like, I'm okay. I have a nurse standing by. I'm going to get an IV. Like I'm going to be all right. But it was really, really bad. And then, you know, you see some of these guys, which I think was the ultimate fighter where the guy was like in the back cramping and screaming and crying. but it was really, really bad. And then, you know, you see some of these guys, which I think was the ultimate fighter,

where the guy was like in the back cramping and screaming, crying, and they wouldn't let him fight. But yeah, I don't know why people go that far. It's all the wrestling, the influence of wrestling, because that's always been a part of the wrestling culture. Like if you try to wrestle at your natural weight, you're a pussy. Like what, you can't cut weight? You can't be uncomfortable?

Like, wrestlers only seem to be happy when they're miserable. Like, they're happy when they're chewing ice and running upstairs. It's like they're like Marines in a certain way. We're like Marines. You ever talk to Marines? They always want, like, they'll brag about how much more miserable their time was than other people's time. Like, they take pride in the fact that they can suffer and endure it. Yeah. I mean, I guess there's, you know, like, it's not easy to fucking endure misery.

I guess there's a badge of courage attached to that. But when it comes to wrestling, there's, like, a culture of being miserable, a culture of, like, overtraining. Like, no one overtrains like wrestlers. Like, it's a significant issue because, yeah, like no one over trains like wrestlers. Like it's a, it's a significant issue because yeah, you get mental toughness out of it. Like there's no one mentally tougher than wrestlers when it comes to MMA.

Like when those guys enter into, into MMA, they have this, this fucking steel determination, like the elite high level wrestlers, you get it from elite high, high level kickboxers as well. But it seems like there's something about that the grind of amateur wrestling going through high

school going to college going through you know olympic trials and whatever to do the the the level of intensity in the wrestling room and the dealing the constantly dealing with being in a bad state physically like constantly overtrained they just develop this mindset of driving through that. It just sounds miserable. I mean, I feel depressed just hearing you talk about it. Who wants to do that shit? There's talk about the guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission. He wants to have people, Andy Foster, foster very smart guy had a good conversation with him

he wants to uh talk to uh guys about possibly putting uh some sort of a limit as to how much you can gain like to like after the yeah after the weigh-in to discourage like really bad weight cuts like you know cut it to like 10 pounds 15 15 pounds, whatever the fuck it is, whatever the number is. What do you think of that? Uh, well, I mean, the theory is good, but then you still have the same problem as before you get these guys that think they can cut 30 pounds and then I'll just put on 10 more, you know, well then you're, you're still fighting dehydrated and you're going to have the same injuries and risks. You're almost, you're almost risking more now cause you're not allowing them to at least get in there healthy. Yeah, I agree.

I think the real way to do it is probably to weigh someone like six weeks out. And then figure out how much you would allow them. But they would cheat then too. And they'd cut weight once a week before the weigh-in. Yeah, they would just cut a shitload of weight six weeks out. It was a lie. You know, they'd cut 10 pounds, and then you'd say, all right, you can lose 15 more, and then, no, they're cutting 25.

It just seems like the other option is the day of weigh-ins, which is terrible, because they'll cut weight then, too. Yeah, they'll do it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how to fix it, other than telling people it's bad for you. More people die, I guess. Yeah, I mean, would there be a benefit of making people fight at their natural weight?

Like, would you walk around close to 200? Yeah, I'm about 205 right now. And when you get into the ring, when you fight, like, say, in Glory, will you be about 200 somewhere around there? Yeah, I'll be right around, like, 200 pounds. What about, like, making some sort of agreement with other fighters that also are like that? Like a guy like Simon. Like, just weigh in the day of the fight, no cutting weight. Mm-hmm.

Like, this is what you got to weigh. You got to weigh 200 pounds. Yeah. Or maybe make it opening. Like, okay, you got to be between 190 and 200. You know what I mean? Right, but 10 people cut weight, right? Well, wouldn't they cut weight to make 200?

Yeah, but they'd be bigger. They'd bulk up to, like, 210 and cut down. It almost seems like there's no way to fix it, I guess. That's a fucked up situation. Yeah. And for people who don't know, the real issue with weight cutting when it comes to combat sports as opposed to wrestling is head trauma Because your brain takes a while when you're especially when you're just ingesting fluids orally mean you just drinking water or? Pedialyte or whatever it takes a while to get up to your brain

But in wrestling that's okay because no one's kicking you in the head. Right. When you're in MMA or kickboxing, you got a real issue because it takes a while for it, which is why everybody likes to go with IV bags. Fuck. It's almost like MMA is too much. There's too much going on between all the different shit you have to do, and then also you have five-minute rounds as opposed to three-minute rounds of kickboxing. The wrestling, the kickboxing, the submissions, like all the different variables. It's almost like you fucking can't keep up with it.

Yeah. There's a lot of shit going on there. I don't know how to fix the weight. I mean, it's got to be an issue in boxing, too, no? We just don't talk about it? It's not as big an issue. It's not as big an issue because the physical weight is not as big an issue it's an issue but it's not as big an issue as say like a guy who can take you down and use that weight on top of you right because the weight isn't gonna

really help you that much yeah like you see a guy like chris weidman who fights at 185 he does not weigh 185 right now if you weighed chris weidman right now he's got to be well over 200 pounds he's a big boy and he has a hard cut to get down to 185 and he's a ufc middleweight champion you know so and he fights a very very heavy physical style very uh very aggressive gets on top of dudes vicious ground and pound knows how to use his weight and if you're not prepared to that weight like after leoto fought him one of the first things leoto said was i gotta get stronger i just gotta get bigger i just can't i can't fight at this weight yeah there's like you know some people they just gain weight easier than other people like some guys in shape could be right around 205 but when they're out of shape they get all the way up to like 225 pounds me i'm like 205 to

210 period in shape out of shape whatever like i don't i'm not the type of guy that gets fat you know that's smart well it's just i wish i could gain weight it would be a little easier you know if i for me to bulk up for a fight and do the weights and i'm drinking like 3 000 calorie shakes like twice a day you know just to try to put weight on. And it's, I see these other guys that, you know, that, who's that, the Bellator champion, Housley, you know, he posted a picture the other day and he was like 230. Yeah. Did you see there's a, there was an article in the underground about that guy where people are accusing him of Mexican supplements.

Oh yeah. Yeah. I forget. I don't like to engage in those things because I don't know who's telling the truth or who's not telling the truth. Anytime someone fights well, there's all immediate accusations. Like, there was one with Rafael Dos Anjos. After he beat Pettis, like, everybody was saying, oh, he's got to be on something. He's got to be on something.

Like, look at him. He's got to be on something. I just think anybody that does well, they're going to you know and then like who's saying it's the fans some the bellator posted a picture of me after i knocked out um melvin in a picture when i was 17 years old training right and all the comments were like peds so like since i was 17 like really i can't believe he looks different than when he was 17 yeah Yeah, that's weird, dude. You got older and you look different? Yeah, it's crazy. Strange as fuck.

Dos Anjos looks exactly the same, too. That's why it's so stupid that everybody's accusing him. Doesn't mean he couldn't possibly have been on something, but he's training with one of the disciples of Marv Marinovich. Do you know the Marv? Yeah. He's training with this guy, Nick Curzon, who's going to be on the podcast in a couple of weeks.

I'm very excited to interview that guy. And he's got some pretty radical training methods that he learned from Marv Marinovich. Because I heard them talk about him when BJ used him, right? A couple years back. Yeah. And this guy has the same sort of training methods. I really can't wait to interview him and talk to him about these methods. That's interesting.

Yeah, because Dos Anjos was in insane shape. I mean, the pace that he put on Pettis, and he didn't have any holes. I mean, there was nothing. His striking was on point. His grappling was insane. His cardio was insane. I mean, he just covered all the bases, dotted all his I's, checked all his T's. That was impressive as fuck.

I want to find out what this guy's doing. Yeah, me too. I always wonder how much of a training camp, and this is particularly important, I guess, in MMA, how much of a training camp should be dedicated to strength and conditioning, and how much should be dedicated to skill work? You know, for me, for last man standing, I had like a six-month notice or something for the fight. And my fight before that was with Wayne Barrett in New York, and I just felt physically too small when I fought him.

I mean, that was the first time in my career where the guy that I weighed in against and the guy I got in the ring with were like two different people and uh they really bothered me mentally and like there were shots that he would hit me with that like didn't even land but he like hit me in the forearm and he'd be like pushing me across the ring and I really felt like too small and um you know I hit the weights and I was doing the high calorie things or whatever and I did the weights for a long, long period of time. And then my coach stopped me about six weeks out from the fight and was like, you're getting more weights. Now you have to get your – because I was stiff and, you know, if you lift weights.

You're sore all the time, right? Yeah, you're just sore. And every time you're building muscle, you're making it tighter and tighter and tighter. And, you know, for speed, for kickboxing especially and boxing it's about uh technique and um being loose and snap more so than like punching hard and the economy of movement too right you got to be able to be loose and yeah so it's about getting that punch the snap at the end and not trying to push through right right right and uh you know i had a really good result with that with that camp. And I felt like I was hitting harder, obviously.

It knocked out Simon, you know, so it was good. But, like, now when I'm fighting so actively, it's like I don't really have time to hit the weights and, like, bulk up or, like, get that tight again, you know. So that's been an issue for me when you're fighting so consistently. I'm sure that, you know, I'd be interested to see what Donald Cerrone does when he's fighting so often, you know, if he has time. Cause for me it was like,

okay, get right back into camp. You're right back where you are. Like the last, you know, five weeks you're running all the time. You're trying to get your speed and your agility, but there's not a whole lot of strength training going on.

Yeah. I talked to Diego Sanchez about that and Diego, the way he would prepare for a fight. Yes. Yes. Yes. He'd just pull out a cross and just start fucking screaming. Yes. I didn't see that. Somebody told me about that. He never seen it. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Jamie, pull this up. Yes! Yes! Yes! He'd just pull out a cross and just start fucking screaming yes.

I didn't see that. Somebody told me about that the other day. He never seen it? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Jamie, pull this up. You got to see this. Oh my God. I just saw it the other day. He was telling me about it.

I didn't believe him. And then I YouTubed and I was like, holy shit. That's some... There's not a motherfucker alive who believes in himself more than Diego Sanchez. I mean, you might believe in yourself as much but you are at a hundred percent You're at a hundred percent belief that motherfucker believe I mean I had seen when he was like walking out yelling yes or error But I hadn't seen where he like pulled out the cross and was like fighting demons on the way to the ring

That was fucking crazy What that is it's a lot of things man something it's a lot of things, man. That was something. It's a lot of things. No, this is just a yes one. This is great. Yeah, I saw this. But he's like, Diego's an interesting cat. He's very big on yoga. He's very big on sensory deprivation tanks.

We talked in depth about sensory deprivation. Maybe it's the craziest one. Is it say craziest Diego Sanchez? That's very subjective though. All of his walk-ins are crazy. He he's wearing like a cloak or some

shit and he's like fucking fighting demons on the way to the ring. Yeah, it looks like some sort of a monk. He's a big like He's a big fan of optimizing everything he's got, including his mental state. He's really into positive affirmations and positive thinking. Yeah, here it is. Yeah, this one. Yeah.

So as he walks out, as he starts walking out towards the end, I'm pretty sure this is it. I got it for him Like he's like hiding it or something. Bam. Yeah, there it is See I don't I wasn't calling this fight I don't believe I believe I was watching at home so I got a chance to laugh I Could laugh really hard That's something right there that's if i had to see if i was seeing this yeah it's kenny florian talking if i was there live i most certainly would have started laughing

yeah but what i was going to say is that diego what he does before camps is he would do only strength and conditioning no fitness no uh, no grappling training, no nothing. Everything he would do leading up to his camp would be like weightlifting, running, like all physical, physical shit. Just get his body to the peak of condition. Then he would start to taper off of that and then go into his skill set training. Right. So when he would actually do his six weeks for camp, his six weeks would be all wrestling, all striking, all jiu-jitsu.

Right. That's ideally what I would do, except now it's like I only have six weeks between a fight. Right. So I don't really have time to do that right now. He brought in Steve Maxwell for his BJ Penn fight, and it was interesting because Steve said, it would almost be better if I didn't train him because if I didn't train him, he wouldn't be in as good a shape, and it would have been a quicker fight. He was outclassed in that fight. BJ was just lighting him up.

And because he was in such good shape, he was able to take a tremendous amount of punishment. I mean, BJ dropped him just a couple minutes or so into the first round and then just battered him for the rest of the fight until he eventually cut him with that head kick and stopped him. That's interesting, too, because I've heard, and I kind of believe it, is that your chin has improved with the better shape you're in. Yeah. Have you heard that before? I would imagine.

I wonder why that is, though. Well, I think that when you're tired, you're weak, you know? I mean, I remember I fought in a kickboxing tournament. It was in Rhode Island, above the waist kickboxing, old school days. I saw somebody post one of your spinning heel kick knockouts. Yeah. That was pretty cool. That was the Taekwondo tournament.

But in the kickboxing tournament, I fought three times in in one night and I won the first fight by knockout I beat the shit out of the second guy and then I had a long wait like like an hour Plus for the third fight and I was exhausted and I wasn't in the best of shape Wasn't you know wasn't that smart back then wasn't eating very good and I was really tired after the first round this fight And this guy hit me with a punch that really wasn't that it wasn't eating very good and I was really tired after The first round of this fight and this guy hit me with a Punch that really wasn't that it wasn't That big of a punch like I remember seeing it on video He hit me with a left hook and my legs

Just went take care yeah we'll See you later they just stopped working And like I'm like any other time I'd be able to Take that punch like it doesn't make any sense it wasn't Like sometimes you see a punch and you see Your head snap back and you go god damn Like you got cracked. But this wasn't that.

It was just my body just was exhausted. And if I was in better shape, I know I would have been able to take that better. And you see guys that are in really good shape and it's very rare that they can't recover from a couple hard shots. Whereas it seems like everything is based on your vitality. And if your body is in really good condition, you can bounce back from things quicker. Like Frankie Edgar is another perfect example. I think a lot of it you have to chalk off to heart and will and determination. You know, like some guys like Frankie just has this fucking incredible will.

Like you can't, like he's like a dude who's a little dude who people have been fucking with him since he was a little guy. He ain't having it. You know, he's going to fucking kick your ass he's little guy. He ain't having it. Yeah, you know He's gonna he's gonna fucking kick your ass. It doesn't matter how hard you hit him He's eventually gonna if a fight if all fights went to a hundred rounds Frankie Edgar would never lose it would just keep going and keep going and keep going eventually you get it tired And he would beat your ass But I think one of the ways he could absorb the kind of punishment that he could absorb, like against Gray Maynard,

remember those fights? Fucking insane, two insane first rounds, where Gray had him out in both fights. Gray cracked him. I mean, he's wobbling. A lot of referees would have stopped the fight. He's going down two, three times in the first round, just getting wobbled,

blood, face swelling. Second round, he comes out and he wins a round. You know, how's he doing it? Well, he's doing just insane shape. His cardio is just so fucking good. He can take it. He bounces back from it. He recovers quickly.

And then his cardio is so good that in the second round, he's back again. Well, then it's like the guys that lose their chin. Are they just not in good shape anymore? No, I think it's a punishment issue. I think it's, you know, we've all seen it. Guys in the gym that have a certain amount of times you can punch that card until it's like it's over. It just doesn't work anymore.

Chuck described it to me once, and he said the way it was described to him is that the doctor was telling him that at a certain point in time, your brain recognizes that you're too tough for your own good. So your brain knows when it gets tagged, oh, this fucking dude is just going to start absorbing punches again, and we're going to have to deal with all this damage. Let's just shut off. Right. That makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. But last time this happened, we just took a little nap and everything was fine.

Let's just do that again. Let's just take a little nap. Fuck this guy. This asshole wants us to go eat punches. Joe's doing this shit again? Fuck you, Joe. You've got to wonder what is that when that time is. When do you know?

Most fighters think, like, you know what, if I just have one more camp, maybe I'll do eight weeks instead of six weeks, and maybe I'll clean my diet up, and maybe I'll bring in a guy to work with me maybe on my defense a little bit more, and maybe my strength and conditioning could be better, that'd improve everything. I mean, you've got to know in the camp, though. I mean, if you're getting knocked out and sparring regularly you know if that's happening like that's never happening to me in sparring but like if that's if that's a thing that happens in the

gym like how much confidence can you really have when you're walking to the rink like right two weeks ago i got knocked out don't tell anybody yeah so that's a regular occurrence regular occurrence in mma uh forence griffin when he fought Anderson, he got knocked out apparently twice. Yeah. And you've seen the Marvin Eastman, Travis Luter fight. Yeah. That was when Marvin got hit with this very strange punch. It was like it was a decent punch, but it was like at the very end of the punch.

And he just went out like he got shot. All right. And I remember thinking, wow, that's kind of crazy. Then we found out afterwards he got knocked out twice in camp, like really recently. Tito had knocked him out with a knee, and then someone had knocked him out. He got knocked out with like a takedown attempt or something like that. It was like two in a row. So like one didn't really recover from that went back in got another one

See, that's the other thing. It's like if Are these is did that is there just a number or is it like this guy got knocked out and it didn't do the right? Things didn't do the hyperbaric chambers didn't take time off. You know do you do that hyperbaric chamber? I used I've done it before and I did I do like the the Altitude tents in my house. Oh, yeah, you sleep in that yeah I've done it before, and I do the altitude tents. I have one in my house. Oh, yeah?

You sleep in that? Yeah. Do you get your lady to sleep in there with you? Yeah, she's not a big fan. It's like a giant tent, and our nightstand's in bed, and everything fits in there. She just can't stand the smell of it, because it smells like you're sleeping in a tent. Oh, like vinyl? Yeah.

She just can't stand the smell of it because it smells like you're sleeping in a tent. Oh, like vinyl? Yeah. I remember BJ Penn in one of the countdown shows. He goes, when you're going to sleep in a big plastic tent, you know someone's going to get their ass kicked. Yeah, it's kind of fucked up, right? Sleeping in a big plastic tent. But that's the only way to mimic it. They say that's actually the best way.

That's actually even better than training at altitude because training at altitude kind of limits your workload, whereas you really want the recovery. There's this place in Costa Mesa that we used to go to before I got this. I probably will start going back to it because it was really good. It's called Ascent, and the product is called CVEC, and it's this altitude chamber that It looks like a jet plane cockpit Ian uses it a lot. Yeah Ian McCall. Yeah, it was a design by the guy that invented the

MRI machine and it's actually the purpose behind it was to like cure diabetes or treat diabetes with circulation problems or something But they're in the process of getting it Licensed or whatever to where they could was approved by the fda or diabetes huh yeah something about they get people that have like you know people have diabetes their feet turn purple because they're fucking blood blood flows all fucked up they put people on this machine and they'll like after a couple treatments like their feet get regular color again but the way it works is it it's uh it takes you to way higher altitude than like my at home goes to like 16,000 feet this will go all the way to like 33,000 feet or some shit like everest everest and it goes up and down so like in a 20 minute session it goes you know based on what program it is like maybe everest to back down to zero zero 100 times in 20 minutes. While you're in there, it's constantly dropping.

The pressure is filling up and dropping. The guy found that your body goes through more of a metabolic change during the change of altitude. As opposed to what we've known is you go and you stay there for eight hours or however long. Then you come back down to train. This is constantly going up and down, up and down, up and down. Your body is like, what the fuck, what the fuck, and that's supposed to create more red blood cells or circulation. Really?

Mm-hmm. Can you get one of those for a gym? You can. They have, I think there's like 15 in the U.S. Really? Crazy expensive, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah, I think you could definitely do that.

You could hit up Ascent. Look at that. There it is. Costa Mesa, yeah. Demo, is there a demo for this? They have a video, Jamie? Yeah, probably. That looks like you're going to launch into the fucking universe in that thing.

A lot of fighters use it. A lot of triathletes are using it down there. It's really good stuff. I just stopped doing it because it was so, with my schedule and training here and there and everywhere else, driving all the way to Costa Mesa and back every day, it was tough. If you had one in the yard, though, you'd probably jump in that pitch every day, right? Oh, every day. I'd sleep in that thing. Crank this up, Jamie. Let me hear this. I want to hear what they have to say.

Creating lower pressure and thinner air, just like you'd get on a day of skiing up in Aspen. Athletes get an increase in VO2 max, peripheral vision, quicker reaction, endurance, power. The CVAC people say the body's response is to increase its blood volume. peripheral vision, quicker reaction, endurance, power. The CVAC people say the body's response is to increase its blood volume, but that they still haven't studied the effects enough to say for sure. I decided to get into the thing and try out a typical session. Am I going to get injured in this thing? Pussy.

Get in there. Your ears will pop like shit. Really? It fucking hurts. It takes four or five sessions to get used to it but uh and my coach would notice a big difference and like the biggest difference that i noticed from that from using the altitude tent was like the fog of like sparring or being in a fight like all the everything kind of slowed down like it just seemed like more focused i'd find myself like checking out the guy's tattoos you know and like my coach would notice a big difference like two sessions in there and he'd be like you've been

using that machine huh i'm like yeah really wow because i mean as a smoker joe i gotta take every every you know i gotta do everything i can so that was that was regular part of like six or seven of my fights i was going down there no shit man yeah you gotta get back in there dude yeah i really do we gotta follow look at his ears are popping yeah got to get back in there, dude. Yeah, I really do. We got to follow. Look at these. His ears are popping. Yeah, so you're constantly in there just popping ears, popping ears, popping ears. Yeah, this is fucking cool. The fucking cap, it'll crush. The fucking cap will go shooting off.

The water bottle just like a gorilla smushed it. What I literally loved about it is there was only like 12, I think, in the U.S. I knew when I was in there that my opponent wasn't using that shit. Right. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, this is... That's what people feel like when they do steroids. Essentially, yeah. Did we talk about the cryo chamber last time you were there?

Yeah, you referred me. I went down to it one day. It was cool. It was real cool. There's one out here now. There's one right down the street. You're fucking living in that shit. How many times today have you been in there?

I haven't been yet. It just opened. It hasn't even had a hard opening yet. They've just done a soft opening. Same company, though. Cryo Healthcare. That's where you went, right? Yeah.

That's amazing, isn't it? It was really cool. It was really cool. It was cold as fuck, but when you get out, don't you feel like you can jump over the moon? Yeah. It was like fucking... I tried to describe it in text, text and I was like I didn't sound fucking right at all Like when you're in there, and I would like take a deep breath

It's almost like a head rush like fucking cold air going in it was almost like a whip it. It was cool The whole thing was fucking cool. It was cool. I'm not next on my list. I want to try one of those The float labs tell me when you tell me when you can use mine in my house Yeah, come on over dude. You tell me when you tell me when you can use mine in my house yeah come on over dude you tell me when all right whenever whenever you're free well listen let's let's set up a date soon and uh come on over the house you can have dinner and then uh i'll leave you down there for a few hours cool and come on up and you'll freak out that's awesome what what i mean my buddy told me about it and it's like a hallucinogenic kind of thing well sort of and

i've heard people like using it for training so yeah what's great for training you know it's great for problem solving too uh i use it for like if i have a joke that i'm working on it's not working well i'll go in there and i'll sort it out like oh fuck there's got to be an angle for this joke like i can sit down and look at a keyboard and maybe think about it but i feel like my mind has more resources when i'm in the tank and the reason being is that the idea of the sensory deprivation tank was created by this guy named John Lilly. John Lilly was this really nutty dude. He was a psychedelic pioneer, esteemed professor and intellectual. He was a pioneer in interspecies communication.

Did a lot of research with dolphin communication. Did a lot of drugs. And a lot of LSD, a lot of ketamine. And one of his things was he was trying to figure out how to separate the mind from the influence of the body. He was thinking that there's like, oh, my neck hurts. Like, oh, I got a fart. You know, like all these different things that are going on in your body that are distracting the mind.

How could I get away from that? And he came up with a bunch of different solutions. One of them was, you've seen that movie Altered States? You ever seen that movie? It's really stupid, man. It was great in the 80s when I saw it. When I was a kid, I was like, this movie's great. And it's one of the movies you watch again when you're 40.

You go, what the fuck? This movie's a piece of shit. So many movies don't hold up, man. It's weird. It's one of them. It does movies don't hold up, man. It's weird. No. It's one of them. It does not hold up. But it was based on John Lilly.

That's how all the Van Damme movies were. Oh, yeah. When I was at Kickboxer, it changed my life, you know? And I saw it a couple months ago, and I was like, what the fuck? That's so true. Have you seen that little kid before we get into the Century Deprivation tank? Have you seen that little kid doing the Bruce Lee Nunchuk scene? Yeah, I saw that shit.

Holy shit. Fucking amazing. Like four years old. Pull this up. We've got to watch this. Look at this little kid. He's wearing a Bruce Lee outfit from the Game of Death, and he's got Nunchuks just like Bruce Lee's, and he's doing it in sync to Bruce Lee behind him.

That's the best part right there. Look at the walk! He's doing the total Noon Chuck move, skillful as fuck. He's five years old. That's so awesome. And he's doing everything exactly the way Bruce is doing it on the screen behind him. That's so cool. So cool.

This is amazing. It's so good. Like, first of all, this kid definitely can't read yet. Right? He's five. No. He probably hasn't even been to school yet. Maybe a little bit of kindergarten, you know?

Yeah, pre-K, maybe. He's got no information in his head other than this Bruce Lee scene. That's the key. That's the key. And, like, you know, by the time that kid's 12, there will be 500 people in his life that tell him to be realistic and shoot down every imaginative thing

that he has in his fucking head. When I look at my kids, I love this. This makes me really happy when I see that. Yeah, me too, man. Dana White posted this video the other day of a little girl hitting the mitts. See if you can find that video on Dana White's Instagram.

It's this little girl. She looks like she's maybe like six or seven years old, and she's hitting the mitts. And fucking technique is on point. She's blocking and rolling and, you know, no kicks, just punches. But, like, God damn. I remember when that tap out commercial came out a couple years ago and they had those two kids, the two little boys, they were doing all that shit. Dude. This is the future.

Here's the video. Watch this little girl. Oh, I saw this. This is dope. I mean, come on, man. This is fucking badass. Look at the technique. Look at her footwork. The movement. Look at the fucking. Look at her footwork, the movement. Look at the fucking ducking. Come on, man.

Every time she's throwing these punches, her hands are in the right position. That's impressive. I'm so impressed with this. That's impressive. You know, that girl's going to grow up to be a psycho. You don't want to date her. Yeah, no. Don't date that one.

Somehow that's... There needs to be some level of where the fight should stop and you're like okay just you know i don't want the girl to be able to like take it to the next level you're arguing and she starts beating your ass that's not cool yeah like if you're dating ronda rouse and she mounts you like oh listen bitch you gotta get off me leave my arm alone um so the sensory deprivation thing the get back to that the way he first did it was like a scuba helmet he came up with a way to like to hook up a scuba helmet with like these underarm harnesses so that you kind of you're suspended by the air and the scuba helmet and you know kind of like floats your body and then eventually you forget about the scuba helmet

and then somewhere along the lines he realized that if you just had water that was filled with salt, that you would just float in it. Sort of like the Dead Sea. You ever see those videos of the people that go to the Dead Sea? No, I've heard about this. I'm hoping you explain it to me. So you float on the salt. So it's packed full of salt, but the salt is buoyant? The salt is, as long as you continue to cycle the water the water my pump goes on every morning

It's on a timer so I get five o'clock in the morning like sometimes. I'm up real early and I'll hear Coming down from the basement, and that's the pump kicking on automatically and the water cycles Through this series of filters, these huge spa filters. The way that guy crashed down at the float lab in Venice is a mad genius. This guy has done, like, when he first came around, I found out about him through a guy who used to repair tanks for this company called Samadi. Samadi is the first company that I bought a tank from, and they were actually in business with Lilly. Lilly's first tank, one of his first tanks was

a Samadhi, and he kind of taught them how to put it together and manufacture it. And then this guy Crash, he's just crazy, and he's just very technically oriented, and he just took it to a totally new level. He uses ozone to filter out the water and he has oxygen pumped into the chamber he made the chamber walls real thick and insulated so it retains heat no sound it keeps the heat stable and they're much taller his tanks are seven feet tall and six feet wide and nine feet long i mean he's he's a master the guy just figured it out and so this uh pump kicks on and it goes through all the water cycles all the water so the water doesn't crystallize because if you let it sit the salt

will eventually crystallize and then i've done that before accidentally the power uh kicked off and i didn't know about it like a circuit blue and i had these rocks these giant like crystals uh in the in the uh water just because the salt, it sort of congealed because there was no heat in it anymore to keep it warm. But as long as the water keeps cycling and as long as the water stays at a high temperature, which is around, you want to keep it, mine's at 94 degrees, which is about the same as the surface of your skin. Oh, okay.

So then when you lie in it, you don't feel the water really because the water is the same temperature as your skin. That's the goal. If it's too hot, you'll start to sweat. If it's too cold, you'll feel cold. But if you get it just in that Goldilocks zone, then once you relax, you don't feel the water. And half of your body, like say like if you cut a person in half from the top of their head, like sideways, like everything above your nipples is like, that's what it looks like right there. Perfect example.

So in this image that we're looking at right here, this guy's floating in the water, and it's just because of the salt. Mine's a little bit bigger than this tank, so mine has 1,000 pounds of salt in it. It's all Epsom salts, too, which is really good for your body. Like when I'm real sore, I take Epsom salts too, which is really good for your body. Like when I'm real sore, I take Epsom salt baths.

They're great for you. It's something about the amount of salt in your body. Magnesium. Yeah, because we use it to cut weight sometimes too. Yeah. The last couple ounces or pounds that you can't get out. Also, if you drink it in water, you will shoot diarrhea out of your asshole in a way

that you've probably never experienced in your life It's like a way of Top ten list of things I need to do Well people do it board you can shoot diarrhea to your ass like nobody's business. It's like a way to do an enema Yeah, it's yeah. Yeah, you can you drink a little bit of some it's not much He's like a couple of tablespoons in a glass of water. And you just, whoa! You just run to that bathroom.

But something about that salt just gets in there and scrubs the inside of your colon. Wow. Anything that's stuck. That's got to be pretty healthy, actually. Maybe, maybe not. Could be not good at all. Have you done a colonic? Yeah, I haven't either.

No. I don't know about that. Like, I hear mixed things. I hear it's real. I'm sure people on Twitter will tell me now about how great it is or how awful it is. There's another thing. Somebody did that for the Ultimate Fighter to cut weight on one of the episodes. Oh, that was Gabe Rudiger. Yeah, Rudiger.

Yeah, he just probably wanted something up his ass. Yeah, I don't know about that. No, I'm just kidding, Gabe. It's supposed to be good for you in some ways. No, he's probably want something up his ass. Yeah, I don't know No, it's it. I'm just kidding Gabe. It's it's supposed to be good for you in some ways No, he's not before we went on the show before we started Joe Rogan was talking about you gave He said you're in the shit like that. I just put it out there I didn't say that making shit up you gave you're into things in your ass some dudes are straight as fuck They just like things in their ass. That's to you folks it's all on you it's okay no judgment um but the colonic thing i have a friend who did it and he said dude he's like the

fucking pianos were coming out of my ass he goes i was finding things that i ate when i was a kid it's like he was he said there was a pipe that was coming out like you know that's attached and you could see all the things that were coming out of your ass and like the lady was pointing out his diet and she was like you oh, you need more fiber. And he's like, those fucking tree trunks are coming out of his ass. And bark and tennis balls. It's just ridiculous. And you're looking through a tube at this water with all the particles.

How much weight did he drop? Does he know? I don't think Gabe – that's the thing about taking a shit. Shits don't weigh that much. Piss is way heavier. If you have to take a leak to gain weight like we learned that in wrestling like a guy took a shit He was like dude. I just took a massive shit. I bet he lost a pound He looks like an ounce. Yeah shit is not heavy for some strange reason But like if you're sick and you have diarrhea or whatever like oh and up like dehydrated like a motherfucker you do a lot of weight

That's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the ways people die um from dehydration one of the primary ways people die from dehydration is diarrhea it's very dangerous like certain diseases where you where people just get rat massive diarrhea that winds up it's it's one of the causes of death it's because your body just gets so dehydrated your electrolytes drops so low your heart function doesn't work properly Shitty conversation is a very shitty come he had a big smile on his face before he said that he was setting it up So it's a float lab the float lab what the tank does is First of all it's real relaxing like your muscles loosen up because you're Because you're floating, you're, like, in that no-gravity state, like you saw in that picture. Everything is, like, you know, nothing's pulling on it.

Like, even here, when we're sitting here, you know, gravity's pulling down your spine. And there, everything seems to, like, lengthen up and relax. And when I get out of it, I feel so loose. I just feel just relaxed. And the magnesium, the absorbs uh in your skin and it's epsom salt so it's an excellent source of magnesium really healthy for for your body for muscle growth and development and when you're in there you don't have any influence uh of your body like you're not the sometimes you get like an itch but that's really just your body fucking with you

because your body's like hey there's nothing going on here. I don't feel anything. My nose itches. And you start telling yourself, that's your mind fucking with you. Yeah. You're like, you know, you just started, don't scratch, whatever you do. But so the idea is that, someone told me that it simulates the same feeling as being in the womb or something. Yeah, I've heard that too.

I wonder. But if your mother's yelling at your father and smoking cigarettes, I bet it's different. I think that what it does is it gives you a relaxation state that's unachievable without the tank. Because there's no,

there's nothing touching, it's an environment that is completely alien to the earth. When you lie in that thing, you literally don't see anything You don't feel anything and you're floating which means you feel like you're weightless you feel like you're flying It gives you the feeling the impression of like of like moving through space like you're flying through space It's real weird right when you get in there. Do you feel like? Different or is there like a panic that happens or like you know?

You can some people get a little cla happens? Or, like, you know? You can. Some people get a little claustrophobic. But you just got to relax. Nothing's going to happen. It's just like laying on the ground. It's just the door. You just, the door doesn't have a latch.

You just push it. It opens up easy. You know? I've done it so many times, I don't have the panic feeling anymore. But there's a weirdness to it, definitely. You climb in there. And, you know, I squeegee it because there's there's always like a little bit of condensation on the roof uh the uh inside uh ceiling rather of the tank so i squeegee that away otherwise it'll uh drip down your face while you're while you're

in there which is annoying and then once uh once i'm done squeegeeing it i shut the door go here we go i just lay back and and float yeah and you will definitely once you do it for a while you will definitely have trippy experiences in there you definitely have like some sort of strange psychedelic experiences that happen but also real good for sorting out things like say if you you're like man I gotta get my shit together let me go in there and think about my life you'll go in there and you'll go you you know, I got to stop doing this, or I got to stop hanging around with this person, or I got to do more of that, or I'm slacking off in this area. Like it's almost like a seminar on your life.

And if I have a, like a jujitsu moves, it's great for jujitsu moves. Like I'll drill jujitsu moves in my mind. And the way I'll do it is I'll line the tank and I'll go over positions as if they're happening in real life. Like I'll start off slow. And like, you know, like if you were doing like flow drilling or something like that, like I'll start off like I'll like say, for instance, I'll do like a half guard sweep. Like I'll start off in half guard. I'll scoop my hips to the side. I'll fight for the underhook. I'll get the grip.

I'll pull the guy in. I'll trip the leg up.ook, I'll get the grip, I'll pull the guy in, I'll trip the leg up, I sweep, I get on top. And then I'll do it as if it was a drill, like if you're performing a drill, but I'll do it all completely in my head. And I'll go over the motions first slowly, and then I'll do it fast. And then I'll go over and then I'll do it like, I'll recreate like the violence of it, like the explosion of it in my head. I'll recreate the resistance. And then once I get like one drill down, then I'll have counters to the drill. Like I'll go into it, but I'll lose the position,

and now I have to, you know, reestablish another position. And when you do that, like that kind of mental training really shows up in the gym. Like it really recreates in the gym. And I would imagine it would be the same with striking. I would imagine it would be the same with tennis, with anything. I think they've shown that recreation and visualization is as much of a factor in the development and growth as actual training is. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Do you do stuff like that? Yeah. I'm into that stuff well i know you're working with vinnie shorman yeah right yeah vinnie's gonna come on the podcast i've been talking to ian about it we're gonna work this out yeah he's coming to uh in june he's gonna be here for a couple weeks doing like seminars and stuff so yeah you were saying the last time you were here that he helped you that like what do you guys do like and how often do you do it we've done a lot of stuff.

And then now it seems to be every time I talk to him, it's like a new thing that he comes up with. He's helped me so much in my life. I don't even know if it's even about fighting anymore. It's just stuff that he's done hypnosis on me. He's got me to the point now where we call it trance. It's not even hypnosis. But he can start talking to me a certain way way and I'm already in a different thing.

And when I get off the phone with him, my mind's just going insane based off the conversations we had. It's really weird. It's an amazing guy. Really good guy. I can't wait to talk to him. The mind is a motherfucker, isn't it? Yeah, it's really, it really is. So that stuff you were just talking about right now is uh it's really

interesting to me so i've done that with with my fights you know like uh you know watching a fight you know if i'll explain it even like blocking leg kicks you know uh when you can visualize it happening and your reaction to it you know in your head without actually seeing it or without actually doing it i think uh it make it plays it out to be so real uh it's a good example so uh one thing we do is uh i'll focus when i when i sign a fighter we get booked for a certain date about four or five weeks out all the time when i wake up in the morning when I'm sitting on the toilet anytime I'm alone I'll I'll uh think about 15 minutes after I've won the fight 15 minutes after I'm thinking as high def as possible when the first time I'm doing it's not very high def by the end it's like it's so real I can smell smell the room I can feel the

chair I'm sitting in I can see the the my coach, my coach's faces, who else is in there, what, uh, what they're saying to me, how I feel about myself. And the idea behind it is if, if, um, if you focus on 15 minutes after you've won and you do it over a period of time, it becomes so real in your head that it's like it already happened. And if it's already happened, how could you possibly have anxiety about something that your mind thinks already happened? You know, does that make sense? But is,

is there a possibility that, you know, that feeling that you get, um, I don't know if you've experienced this, I'm probably, you probably have where you didn't get up for a fight because you thought that you're going to kick this guy's ass pretty easy.

So you weren't nervous. And then when you got in there, you felt like off, like you didn't you weren't Performing the way like you would be like say if you fought a guy like Artem Levin who you know top of the food chain You're you're gonna be on your toes. You know you're gonna be ready Whereas you're going in there You're like I'm gonna kick this fucking guy's ass and you go in there and you like you it just seems like damn like this Is not I'm not firing

right it's not is that possible yeah i mean alleviation of anxiety is like a negative in some way i don't know about that i think that it could be i think that that way you're talking about is something that vinnie's ultimately helped me with a lot yeah because my my problem is i one of my problems has so many problems uh one big problem is i one of my problems that's so many problems uh one big problem is i always do poorly in that situation when i'm when i'm the favorite i have a hard time um it's not that i don't train hard for it it's just something about uh i always i'm that guy that rises to the occasion the three fights in one night where it's you know how the good you you know it's three rematches and two guys beat you and that's that's when i do really well it's right no one expects you to win

is when when i really rise to the occasion when when people start telling me that it's an easy fighter that it's you know i'm the favorite or whatever i just really try and shut that out and try and convince myself that you know he's going to kill me and he's a really bad guy um i don't know if it's about not getting up for the fight or if it's uh if it's uh you know you just take the guy lightly or what it is but i've always had issues with that in the past a lot of people have issues with that taking a guy lightly is a huge problem and it's real common and and you see it in a fight like maybe when a guy's the favorite like i'm not necessarily saying that this was the case in the Cub Swanson-Max Holloway fight. Did you see that fight?

Great fucking fight. Max Holloway, man, that motherfucker looked good in that fight. God damn, it was an amazing performance by Holloway. But Cub Swanson was a big favorite leading into that fight. And he just couldn't get off. Just did not seem like he could get off. And I think there's probably a few issues with the way he was training he was doing a lot of um boxing specific training

and he even had a famous boxing coach um forget his name diaz in his corner um pedro diaz yeah no that's the guy from um miami yeah no this was the guy that trains Tim Bradley. He works with a lot of... I forget. Doesn't matter. Point is, the guy was giving him, like, boxing instruction in the corner, and I'm like, he's dealing with a guy that's kicking him, throwing elbows and flying knees and

spinning back kicks his way. Like, what the... You know, like, this is... You got the wrong guy here, man. You need a fucking Matt Hume-type character that's telling you know, like, this is, you got the wrong guy here, man. You need a fucking Matt Hume type character that's telling you, like, MMA specific shit to do. So there's probably some technical issues with the way he approached the fight. But also it just didn't seem like, if you saw him against, like, other fighters, like Jeremy Stevens, who's a fucking murderer. You know, he's fighting, he's a murderer, he's fighting another murderer. These two guys are dangerous as fuck.

You know, he is sharp as shit because it's just deadly, dangerous fight. Whereas Max Holloway, you know, he had beaten some real good guys, but he was thought to be like a notch below Cub and Cub just couldn't fucking put it together. And you, you know, you got to say, well, it was definitely a case of holloway

rising to the occasion fought better than he ever fought before you can't take nothing away from him but when you look at cub just didn't look didn't look right just couldn't and you've got to wonder how much of that is him coming in that fight as a prohibited favorite like i think it was like three four to one favorite well it's like one guy is you you know, this is my big shot. This is everything. You know, he's focused on it 100%. The other guy is like, oh, this is another fight. It's still a serious fight.

I know I still got to take it seriously. But the other guy is like going for greatness. And, you know, it's a weird balancing act. You know, so much of fighting is mental. You can have a phenomenal camp in that last two hours before you walk out there. It can blow it all, you know. So that's why I work with Vinny.

And, you know, we're always finding new things to work on. And, you know, I'm far from perfect, but I feel like my game has come a long way since I started working with him. Yeah, I really think, we discussed this, I really think that mental coach is going to be just as important as having a striking coach, just as important as having a grappling coach. I mean, you're going to have to have a mental coach. It's going to be just like you have guys have strength and conditioning guys,

you know, that they work with on a regular basis. You're going to have some sort of a mental coach that you work with on a regular basis. I think it's, it's going to be a really, you know, it's going to be the next big thing here pretty soon. I think so too. I hope it doesn't though. I hope I stick to, you know, just me. No one else uses it. Well, I would wonder if someone could do it where they have a microphone that pumps into a tank where you lie in the sensory deprivation

tank and it's mic'd up, which would be very easy to do. And as you're lying in there, like Crash has developed this system where he actually has a screen that's in front of you as you're lying in there, like Crash has developed this system where he actually has a screen that's in front of you as you lie down. So as you're floating, the screen is floating above your head. And it's so low in its light emissions that you can't see the edge. You don't see the border of the screen. You just see the images.

But because you're in an environment that has no light in it at all other than the screen, it's like these images are floating in the sky in front of your face. And in doing so, he believes because you have no distractions, like no physical distractions, you're not feeling the weight, you're not feeling gravity, you're not feeling sensory input, you're not judging space around you. You're just getting the images you learn things quicker because your body will have no no Resources that it's demanding of the of the mind. What's the what's this? What's on the screen different? Documentaries different instructionals like he's got one that they're working with I think his idea is that like sports specific stuff like golf

like that you would absorb like information like how like the rotation of the hips and, you know, especially doing things from a first-person perspective and showing. I'm just going to lay in there and do, like, straight BJJ stuff for, like, a week. Work on your half guard. Yeah. Work on the get-ups. Yeah. Yeah, I want you to come down to 10th Planet and learn some shit from Eddie Bravo, too, with your long legs. I'd love to.

Learning some guard stuff. Even just learning how to hold on to guys in a way where they can't hit you and they're not going to be able to get up. You'll get stand-ups better, which is a legit strategy in MMA. As long as they have stand-ups. I don't agree with stand-ups I honestly think they should be removed from fighting because I think that if you're going to have MMA uh if you got a guy that can hold you down for five minutes that's that's that's what you get in five minutes from now you're going to be able to get up and every fight starts every

round starts standing you know so you think that people should win fights based on not fighting like no but my like I just don't think that you should win a fight by your goal in the fight is just to nullify the fight. If I can stop this fight from happening for three, five-minute rounds, then I win. I understand what you're saying, but I think that if a guy can take you down and hold you and control you, he's kicking your ass. Even if he's not beating you up the way you would beat a guy up, if you had your druthers, you'd force guys to stand with you and you'd light them up. You have a giant advantage over 99.9% of the planet in MMA

when it comes to kickboxing. Your ideal world is get these guys to just stand with you. Hey, let's just make an agreement. Fuck shooting, no takedowns, let's just throw. You're going to have a giant advantage. And so other guys would say, listen, let's's make an agreement fuck shooting. No takedowns. Let's just throw yeah, you know You're gonna have a giant advantage and so other guys would say listen. Let's make an agreement. No snow kickboxing Let's just let's just use the better grappler. You'd be like get the fuck out of here But for a guy like Ben Askren that would be a really good agreement right because he could take down most guys He fights Ben Askren gets a hold of guys like Douglas Lima, a fucking killer kickboxer, dangerous motherfucker.

Ben Askren just ragdolls him, ragdolls him, tosses him to the ground, and can do that consistently. So for a guy like that, why would a guy like that want to stand up? He could grab a hold of you, and you can't stop him from taking you down. If you watch some of Askren's fights, by the time it gets to the third and fourth round his opponents are like fuck this guy's gonna take me down again and I can't do shit well that's a fight when he is fighting but he's fighting you his way he's not he doesn't have the kind of snap to his punches or kicks that you do he doesn't have the the kind of arsenal of attacks when it comes to striking that a guy like you does but when it

comes to holding motherfuckers down you does but when it comes to holding motherfuckers down and giving them noogies punched him in the face and they can't do shit about it that's his world and i think for fighting to be realistic you've got to have guys like that as well like a lot of people didn't like matt brown and johnny hendrix the last fight i loved it i didn't love it because i wanted matt brown to lose. I loved it from a technical standpoint because you've got a guy like Johnny Hendricks, who is a decorated All-American wrestler, and it just shows you this is what happens when you fight a high-level wrestler like Hendricks that's on point. The motherfucker is going to take you down whenever he wants to, and he's going to be on top, and you're going to be eating shit sandwiches. And that's just the way it goes. And that's a real fight. If you want to fight in mma that's a real fight now if

hendrix and matt brown fought in a muay thai fight it was a it'd be a completely different fight if hendrix couldn't shoot for the takedown whenever he was in trouble and he got stuck or especially forget muay thai take up glory rules we can only grapple for five seconds or you can only clinch for five seconds then you got only clinch for five seconds? Then you got a completely different fight and then you got a fight where Matt Brown's just throwing elbows and kicks and knees and punches And just keeps coming at you. He's not afraid to throw a flying knee because he's not worried about getting taken down He's not worried about just blasting you with leg kicks because you can't grab his legs You can't trip him and throw him down and get on top of them. You can only kick box with him

Yeah, I agree them and throw them down and get on top of them you can only kick box with them yeah i agree but i think that if you take the guy down and you just lay on top of him that it's somebody's responsibility to for the love of god and the fans to do something and stand them up or like you know my last fight you know the referee's like you guys got a good position i'm gonna stand you up i'm like okay yeah stand me up bitch you know stand you up all right we're gonna stand you up no Mike are you gonna fucking stand us up or you know he's clenching against the fence I mean I think I agree with you and that's I mean the way I obviously have to look at it is that I have to be able to stop him

from doing that I mean that's that's the reality is I can't allow these guys to continuously do this because let's face it that's the reality is I can't allow these guys to continuously do this because let's face it, that's what people are going to do. But I think that on the scorecards, if one guy gets dropped and then lays on top of you for three minutes and then, you know, who wins that round? The guy that drops the other guy clean with a punch or the one that lays on top? You're talking about your specific fight? My specific fight.

Yeah. Well, if you want to judge damage. I mean, mine's the only one that matters, Joe. Especially that one, right? Yeah. If you want to judge damage, for sure you won that round. And you won that fight if you want to judge damage. But the problem is they don't just judge damage.

They also judge control. He didn't do anything to you once he got you down. I mean, he stayed active, but there was no moments where you were in trouble. The moment where you hit him and dropped him was the most significant moment of that fight by far Because the dudes consciousness was wobbled his fucking legs gave out he was on queer Street He was in deep shit But he was able to clinch up with you and it was able to turn into a grappling match and survive So when you look at it damage wise yeah, that was the closest to him losing consciousness for sure

But MMA is about a bunch of shit. It's about controlling the moments. See, I personally think that Pride had it right. I agree. I think they had the best rules. I like the yellow cards. I don't like fighters being punished financially. I don't agree with the yellow cards as far as taking 10% of your purse.

I think that's bullshit. I don't agree with the yellow cards as far as like taking 10% of your purse. I think that's bullshit. But I do think that some stalling, like if guys are just running away and they're not doing something, you should be able to penalize them maybe a percentage of a point. Like maybe instead of a full point deduction, maybe it's a percentage of a point and all that. Because I think the scoring system, 10-point scoring system is retarded. The only reason it exists is because it exists for boxing.

And it kind of works for boxing. It's a good system for boxing. But when you have MMA and you're dealing with takedowns, submission attempts, kicks, punches, elbows, knees, I mean, most people, if you don't know, if you've never watched Muay Thai, Muay Thai is judged very different than MMA and very different than boxing. Like the clinch in Muay Thai is judged very different than MMA and very different than boxing. Like the clinch in Muay Thai is very important. Controlling the clinch is one of the most important things. Kicks are judged very highly in Muay Thai. I think the problem with Muay Thai in the U.S. is that it's refereed by Steve Mazzagati and other people that do the same guys.

If you watch a Muay Thai fight in Thailand, the referee actually knows what's going on in the clinch and if there's not shit going on in the clinch they break you but Steve Mazzagati will let you hold on to me when I fought Simon he would like I was talking to Steve and he would like like Steve you're gonna break us and he would just hold me against the rope for a long long long period of time right and um he does that consistently so um you need like a Paulo Tocha guy or something like that like someone who's been maybe not him you know what I'm saying next topic he's always been nice to me

but you know what I'm saying like someone who's maybe competed in Muay Thai someone's been around for a long time someone understands Muay Thai I mean I think that goes in anything is that the people that are judging and the people that are Refereeing in any sport, you know should should know what the hell they're doing, you know and I'm question that's important in any sport, you know, and

Like with and Mike sit here and complain about my fight. I really don't care. But who was the referee? Beltran Yeah, he's good. He's good. Mike's good. Mike's very good. But three judges, three different scorecards. That's a problem. Yeah. One, the one deciding scorecode, all three rounds to my opponent. That doesn't make sense. Right. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. That's incorrect. What frustrates me about that situation is like, I have to look at my record and deal with it. And I have to deal with the consequences pay wise, sponsor wise, whatever, you know, if I don't do my job, regardless of anybody else, if i don't do my job regardless of anybody

else if i don't do my job there's consequences but and and all the athletic commissions on a regular basis there's constantly mistakes and there's constantly people not doing their jobs correctly and there's no consequences for them there's never any retro there's never anything but the fighter that you know has to deal with it that's a good manny pacquiao's fight with uh timothy bradley what was the consequence to that well one of the women ever happened one of the women who was a very controversial judge in that stopped judging uh because of that fight and uh there was one other fight that she judged as well where there was a lot of speculation about you know whether or not there was corruption involved or just

incompetence which is just speculation no one knows but she had a series of like really ridiculous scorecards on on championship level fights where you're like what the fuck like how is this like first of all especially in boxing boxing has been around for fucking hundreds of years we're not talking about mma where there's just really not that many people that are really good Practitioners and all the various martial arts that understand all the different positions. There's when you watch in boxing. It's pretty goddamn clear-cut There's a punching there's movement. There's defense. That's it. That's all it is like this this Floyd in Mayweather fight What did you think about that fight? I thought it was exactly what I thought was going to happen. Me too.

And I'm not the person that hates, I mean, what drives me nuts is how many people have no clue about boxing and are all over the internet now complaining and saying their side of the story. The fact is Mayweather is the best in the world of defense and not getting hit and hitting you and not getting hit. And the reason this fight was so interesting to everybody

is they thought that Manny Pacquiao was going to do something different than what had happened in 48 other mayweather's fights and it didn't happen and everyone's pissed off at mayweather about it it's like that's the same he's done his whole career what you should be mad at pacquiao but the uh the scorecards were messed up they miss marked the scorecards you saw this no yeah they uh they thought that mayweather was in the blue corner or the red corner or whatever. What? Yeah, they came out and there was one of those. They still gave it to Mayweather.

They had the scores correctly, but it was marked red versus blue. It's on the internet. Oh, so they marked the wrong corner, but they were still judging for Mayweather. Yeah, well, there's a lot of fucking shitty people that are involved in every sport. You're always going to have that. There's definitely a lot of shitty boxing judges. But I just think that having a shitty boxing judge is almost less excusable than having a shitty MMA judge because there are so many fucking boxing fans.

There are so many guys that have been doing it for so long. And if you listen to, like, Harold Letterman on HBO, I very rarely disagree with that guy. I listened to his scorecards. It makes sense. I hear what he's saying. You know, um, the same Steve Farhood, is that the guy's name that does it for Showtime? I think, uh, I think that's his name. I think so. Um, that the Showtime guys, same thing. I mean, they, they disagree on a round or two here or there, but their points are on, they know boxing. They understand what the fuck is happening. Right.

You know, they're appreciating everything that's going down while you're watching a fight. You're telling me you can't find nine, ten of those guys that only judge championship fights? Those are the only guys ever. Right. Like, here's the list. These are the best in the world at judging boxing. When you have a boxing match, these are the only guys that should here's the list these are the best in the world uh at judging boxing when you have a boxing match these are the only guys that should be able to judge yeah it's just there's a

reason there's three three judges it's because if one of you makes a mistake the other two will fix it but have three judges have three completely different scorecards what are we doing here you know what i think we should do too because the fact that we have the Internet today? I think there should be a panel of experts that you just have that are floating online. Like, say, like, you know, pick out a bunch of guys, like a guy from Bloody Elbow, a guy from SB Nation, a guy from Sure Dog. Have, like, a bunch of guys who are real legit fans, journalists, guys who have been doing it for a long time. And have that be, journalists, guys who have been doing it for a long time. And have that be like a fourth judge. Like say if you're in a situation where you got a close fight, have the three people calling at ringside and then the one group of people that agree on line. Say maybe 80% of them agree that this guy won.

And that should count in the scoring system. I think having three people is not enough people. I think you should have a bunch of people that judge a fight. And then you get to a point where it's like, okay, you could question, you're going to, what do you call it, like appeal the decision or whatever. Nobody ever wins those. Nobody ever wins, but the reason they don't win is the same reason why the police never get charged with murder when they kill people.

It's because they protect their own.'s like the head of the athletic commission writes you a letter says yes you made valid points but we need to support our our people because they don't want to say that you know our guy screwed up you know and that's uh so the fighter has to eat it you know that is a real issue and that's that's messed up you know it should be some sort of you know if you make a mistake you have to pay for the consequences or own up to it but it's like when the judges or the athletic commission makes a mistake it's the fighter that has to that suffers from it has to deal with the consequences i just think it's wrong there was a real issue with that with the nevada state athletic commission they ousted the athletic commission chamber the the head of the athletic commission's gone

when uh you know one of my fights i got i got swept, what was questionably an illegal sweep, and I got slammed on my head, and the referee didn't see it, and let me stand up walking the wrong way, and then I got teed off on. And they called it a knockout, and I appealed to the athletic commission. I had three different videos with footage of showing that it was an illegal sweep and that the referee wasn't paying attention. It was like, no way I'm not winning this one. And Kaiser wrote us a letter saying, you know, although you made very good points, we need to support our athletic commission.

And nothing happened. Yeah, he's the dude. I wasn't going to bring him up by name. I don't think he's a bad guy either. But Kaiser, he's a politician. And that's why he got ousted. And then my next fight, I score a knockdown and a jab in the first round. And then the scorecards come out, and two of the judges didn't count the knockdown.

They just didn't count the eight-point must system. What? He won by one. I lost. He won by one point. It was like, where's the—I forget what the score was. But there was no way he could have scored that many points if they would count the knockdown. That was in Nevada.

Yeah, there's a lot of shady shit going on when it comes to judging. Just the idea that what drives me crazy is the idea that someone who is not a practitioner, doesn't understand what's happening, has never really been punched in the face probably their whole life, can judge a pro kickboxing bout. Like, that's bananas. That doesn't make any sense. Like how did that guy get that gig? Especially jujitsu and MMA.

Because if you don't understand what the fuck. Like if you're. Say if a fight goes to the ground. And the guy in the bottom is threatening with submissions. And the referee or the judge rather doesn't score it for him. Because he doesn't understand how close the guy was to getting tapped. The guy on the bottom has a knee bar. But he's on the bottom. Or an ankle lock. Or whatever it is. because he doesn't understand how close the guy was to getting tapped the guy that's on the bottom has a knee bar but he's on the bottom or an ankle lock or whatever it is but he's on the bottom but he's almost got it you know and the guy's wincing in

pain but he's on top but the other person all they can see is the guy's ass from the other side they don't know so that guy wins the round because he held you down for too long well we had a fight for um for those um judges to get screens for them to get monitors to watch the fights. Yeah, I asked you about that last time. That's really important. Yeah, we had a fight for that. That was big. Because I'll tell you, man, I don't see a lot of shit that's happening, and I'm fucking

as close as anybody alive. Right. I'm right there. I'm touching the floor next to the cage with my hands while the fight's going on, and sometimes I can't see shit. Well, it's 30 feet across to the other side of the cage, right? I think the cage is too big, too. Yeah.

We used to use a smaller one for the WEC and for the hard rock fights. We used to do fights at the hard rock and we'd be in a smaller cage. I like that one better. I think it forces guys. I mean, you can still move. It's not like you're fighting in a phone booth. But the idea that you could literally run. I mean, you could sprint away from a guy in the octagon.

It's so big. Yeah. I mean, they're greedy. Don't they want more seats in the arena? Yeah. Just shrink that bitch up, put some more fucking seats. Why do they do it? Pop that cash.

I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe it looks more grand or something like that. I really don't understand it. The smaller cage is plenty big. It's still really big. I think the Bellator cage is smaller. Yours is 30.

I think ours is 25. Which I say. Bellator's better? I think Bellator's better. What do you think about this Reebok sponsorship shit that's going down? This is a big deal right now in MMA that Reebok is the official sponsor for the UFC. Fighters can't have independent sponsors when they walk

into the cage now and financially it seems to be a huge disaster for the fighters. I think that I'm glad I fight for Bellator, and you can sponsor me for Bellator if you'd like. And do you have management that they can contact for said sponsorship? Michael Kogan. Oh, there you go. He told me to say hello to you.

Oh, tell him what's up. Yeah, I think whenever you see these guys complaining and talking about the difference in the amount of pay that they're getting, that's not good. It's not good. All that stuff had to be worked out, I think, should have been worked out in advance. It's great to have a big sponsor like Reebok involved, but not if the fighters have to suffer. Yeah, I think it's just uh when it came out it was you know i think everyone kind of saw this coming you know tim kennedy did a tweet today he said he

was getting 2500 or something for his and that's the only sponsor that you're allowed to yeah allowed to have you know it's uh well brennan chobb said he would be getting 10 grand but every single fight that he had before this he was getting more than he was getting six figures is what he said so i mean at least a hundred thousand i don't know how much six figures you know could mean as much as nine hundred thousand for every fight so six figures for every fight and then now he's making 10 grand and that's uh that's a big hit yeah that's huge that's huge and it's based off the ranking you know so if you're i guess if you're Chris Weidman's going to get more money than that. Well, even the champs get $40,000.

The champs, the best guys in the world get $40,000. That doesn't seem like enough to me. No, it doesn't seem right. Look, I'm not a businessman. I'd be the shittiest businessman in the world. If I owned the UFC, the UFC would probably be filing for bankruptcy right now. I would never have gotten it to where it is. I would never have done any of the smart moves that these guys have done.

I'm an idiot when it comes to business. But I just don't like when I see fighters suffering financially. I don't like it at all. It's just a really weird thing. It's great for Bellator and the guys at Bellator because all of those sponsors that can no longer sponsor in the ufc got to go somewhere in june and july what do you think about a fighters union i mean i was going back and forth with john uh fitch about that today and john fitch actually he posted something let me pull it up because um i was really surprised what an intelligent guy John Fitch is. I saw some of the videos he posted of him talking politics.

I was like, God, I wish I could speak that well. Yeah, he's a very smart dude. He wrote, I posted something about MMA being illegal in New York. There was an article that was posted about New York being the corruption capital of America. More corruption in New York than anywhere else. And when I posted it, John Fitch said, he said, No, the reason MMA is illegal in New York is because of Zufa's treatment of employees, both fighters and hotel workers. Which is not really true.

both fighters and hotel workers, which is not really true. Even if you disagree with the way UFC treats fighters or hotel workers. And when they say hotel workers, they don't mean like... I recant my intelligent comment. I think he's just saying that because, you know, he's upset. You know, I don't think he's not happy with the way a lot of things went down. I think it's old school boxing uh politics it is 100 it's the boxing commission in new york they have no other athletic commission as far as kickboxing they don't sanction kickboxing there either they have uh you know their own sanctioning

body that's not a state-run thing in new york yes so there's no you know the benefit of having athletic commission as a fighter is that you're guaranteed to get paid. You're guaranteed to have a health insurance for the fight. If you get hurt or whatnot. And when, um, it's not through the state,

you know, the IKF, the, what any letters you want to put together, it's, you don't have that same confidence. And, uh,

in New York, it's only boxing. They have the wka when you fight in new york and and a lot of states um that are too small to have the athletic commission but it's yeah it's it's uh it's boxing has been huge in new york for eternity and that's what they want you know it's also the culinary union the culinary when he was talking about hotel workers what he's talking about is the culinary the u UFC, this is the long and short of it, the UFC is owned by Zufa. Zufa also owns, the people that own Zufa also own station casinos.

They own 20-plus casinos in Vegas, and they're non-union. The employees voted for them to be non-union. The union wanted to turn union because if it was union, they'd make somewhere around $15 million a year just from the station casinos. So they've had this campaign for years to try to get the UFC to acquiesce and become Union Casino, Station Casino, Union Casino. So they have this smear campaign against the UFC. And so that's what he's saying. When he's saying hotel workers, that's what he means.

He doesn't mean like the UFC shows up and starts beating up hotel workers. How does he know all this stuff? That's amazing to me. Tim Kennedy my Twitter got hacked yesterday He can say that without any irony whatsoever that's a let wait I Love Tim Kennedy, he's a bad motherfucker, but uh, well so John Fitch posted about this thing MMAFA mixed Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Association. MMAFA is on Twitter. There's, I guess, a guy named Rob Macy, M-A-Y-S-E-Y.

He must be in charge of it. And I don't think it's a bad idea to have some sort of an organization that looks out for for fighters and I also think that it's it's super important to have something like Bellator like that is owned by Viacom that starts to come up in the public's consciousness and become bigger and bigger and have more competition yeah I think competition is it's the best the only way you get a fight like Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather is you have two bad Motherfuckers who are on rival promotions they get together in Showtime and HBO both got together and said listen

Let's make some money. Let's put this fucking thing together. These are the two biggest fighters in the world You're gonna make the four point five million pay-per-view buys I mean that's fucking insane at a hundred bucks at a hundred bucks and Nothing like that exists in MMA and if Bella tour had a champion You know if you become champion at Bella tour at 185 pounds and it builds up where you're knocking dudes dead And then you know whoever is in the UFC at the same time You know Wyman or Vitor or Jacare or whoever the fuck it is if it Builds up in the public's consciousness,

like this fight has to happen, it has to take place. Well, the UFC did it with Pride years ago, right? Yes. Well, sort of. Sort of. Tried to, didn't really work. I mean, they tried to make an agreement with Pride. And, you know, the UFC sent Chuck Liddell over there.

And then, you know, Pride was supposed to send some fighters over here, but it never happened. They brought over Vanderlei. And Vanderlei and Chuck, you know Chuck had that stare down the octagon. But it wasn't until years later when Pride was purchased by the UFC that the fighters actually came over. It was mostly some Japanese fuckery. I heard there's a lot of fuckery back there. Yeah, there's a lot of slickness.

Those guys are slick. I mean, not in a good way, but they made a lot of money doing that. You know what the whole Pride UFC thing happened. Do you know the story behind it? The UFC purchased Pride for $65 million. When they got it, they realized that all their contracts were invalid. They were all illegal. All they had was a library.

They essentially had a library of DVDs and tapes, which good luck making $65 million off of that. DVDs and tapes, which good luck making $65 million off of that. And so then they tried to sell it or tried to sue them, and that didn't really work. I mean, good luck trying to sue someone in Japan. Right. You've got to keep flying over to Japan every couple weeks for court dates. Yeah. And on top of that— Just to get an extension.

Yeah. While they bought Pride pride they were going to keep the pride office open and have like you know they were going to start running pride events in japan and they realized how much how hard it is to do like it's not easy it's not like you're just going to like you would do a event in new mexico you know it's it's a totally different country i mean they have completely different laws completely different customs and the people that were working for them they were all while they had customs. And the people that were working for them, while they had an office running, the people who were working for them started putting together DREAM.

Right. So then they put together their own MMA organization and started putting on their own fights. It's fucking chaos. So they just had bad contracts? Or the contract just was legally shit? That's why Fedor never came to the UFC initially. The reason why Fedor wasn't a part of the Pride deals the contracts for dog shit there was nothing there and that was air being Fedor's probably a big reason behind buying pride oh yeah how could you not want

Fedor to come over I mean they tried hard to get Fedor a lot of people don't realize that how hard they tried it was like yeah the UFC fucking cared about putting on the right fights they would have had Fedor come A lot of people don't realize how hard they tried. It was like, yeah, if UFC fucking cared about putting on the right fights, they would have had Fedor come over. M1 Global, who are the people that promote Fedor, they wanted to have co-promotion rights with the UFC. But the problem is that's not like, they don't have a, there's no

promotion there. Like, it's just the management team of Fedor. Like, they wouldn't really be promoting anything. They would just be glomming on and making... So the UFC offered them a big, you know, percentage of the pay-per-view buys, a large chunk of money you would get when Fedor fights. They wanted to be co-promotion.

They wanted to be the UFC and M1 Glo... Who the fuck is M1 Global? Nobody knows what that is. They've got, like, three shows on it. Yeah, you're not talking about, like, Showtime and HBO or, like or Bob Arum and Golden Boy Productions, two established companies. You're talking

about one company that fucking no one knows and one company that's the NFL of MMA. So it didn't make any sense. They offered him a fuckload of money and then Dana always said, listen, you guys gotta realize that this guy can lose and if he loses, this ain't worth shit. Like, as soon as he loses, this is not worth anything.

And then he goes to strike for us. And then Verdum triangles him, wraps him up, taps him out. And like, that's it. Everything just got weird. And then after that, Bigfoot beats the fuck out of him. And then after that, Henderson KOs him. That's it. There goes your big money.

It all went away. And there goes the dreams, man. The fucking fights I could have been with that guy in the UFC would have been amazing. But that's how it goes. Japanese fuckery. Japanese fuckery. Apparently the way they do business is a lot of they'll say, we will get together and have a meeting

and we are interested in selling pride and then you know then they get together and everyone gets really excited and there's all this publicity and they go oh we changed our mind but we have a big event next week and then they put on this big event now they have all this publicity because the the ufc is going to buy pride and then they have they put on this fucking gigantic show and it's very clever. They just have a different way of approaching things. Did anybody ever figure out what the microphone was about? Why did they have the headset?

Why did the referee have a headset? So he could talk. He made some accusations about it. Oh, he was saying that the. It was fake. Yeah, he was just fucking with fighters. I know, but fucking make some good points. Why would he have a headset?

Well, there is a problem with some of the fights in Pride that were clearly fixed. There's no doubt about it. There can be no doubt. You watch Mark Coleman versus Takata. If you don't think that that fight was fixed, you're an asshole. Oh, and the K-1, too. Oh, yeah. Masato and Bukow.

They almost killed Masato trying to get the win over Bukow. Really? Oh, yeah. Bukow killed him in three rounds, And they give, oh, extra round. Really? And then he kills him in the fourth round. Extra round. And you can see Masato like, what the fuck? Really? And like, Bukow's just kicking the fuck out of him. And I guess

Masato had to retire for like eight months or something. He had internal bleeding. It was bad. Whoa. It was bad. They always Japanese are kind of known for trying to get the Japanese win. Yeah, there's always going to be that. There's always going to be a little bit of that.

But, yeah, it's fun, man, the glory early days of MMA and kickboxing. And, look, when you look at that, like, say, you know, they definitely did some fuckery, but they put K-1 on the map and therefore kickboxing on the map on a grand scale when you look at those k1 grand prixs and they're in the tokyo dome in front of like god knows how many thousands of people that was amazing that was uh that's how i fell in love with kickboxing that was my my dream was always watching those those world grand prixs and then when glory was like oh you want to fight in a one-night tournament? Yeah.

Waited my whole life for this. Yeah. Well, I just hope that Glory, and there's a big event that's going on this Friday night. They're doing regular events on Spike. I just hope that it can achieve the same sort of level in America that the UFC has or that Pride and K-1 had in Japan. And I just think if you look at the quality of the fights that they're putting on, it's right up there.

It's amazing. I think they're the best quality as far as the level of the strikers, the best quality we've ever had. Guys like you and Nikki Holskin and Mark DeBond, there's so many guys that are like at a super high level in in in glory right now yeah it's really exciting they're putting them in the production value on their shows is really good it's yeah i just you know i hope people keep tuning in or yeah start tuning in i know their ratings have been a little questionable

lately on on some really big cards and uh yeah man they just need more push they need to keep don't they need to keep doing it, and eventually I think it's going to catch on. Guys like Raymond Daniels, Joseph Valtellini, there's so many high-level guys that are fighting exciting fights. They're wild, exciting fights to watch. I just can't see it not working. I just think it just has to keep pushing.

That's all it is. I mean, seems to me like that the product is there It's just a matter of letting people know about it Yeah, and then this you know having it on spike is good to having that Friday night's fight thing every Friday night They have fights on spike whether it's a bellator event or a boxing event or glory event Yeah, they can keep that up up, that could be really big. Yeah, it's huge. Those PBC boxing cards have been pretty awesome on there, too. Yeah.

Yeah. Production value has been really good on that. It's been, you know, they said boxing is dead, but it seems like there's a lot of buzz behind boxing right now. How can you say it's dead when they have 4.5 million pay-per-view? I'm looking forward to Canelo Alvarez versus James Kirkland this weekend. That's going to be fucking crazy. But I heard Kirkland, I realized that I

watched the countdown show that they were doing about it, whatever they call it, 24-7, and Kirkland didn't train with Ann Wolfe for this fight. Which is like, if you ever thought a guy definitely should be training with a woman trainer, in any other sport. If that ever happened.

In a combat sport, you'd be like, what? But if you look at like the shit that Ann Wolf would make him do, she would get in a truck and she had a heavy bag attached to an arm on the front of the truck. And then the truck would move forward at like a certain amount of miles per hour. And he was forced to back up and punch the bag as he's backing up doing road work never seen anybody do that before no but they showed it in the you know in the uh the the training montages and stuff and i was like that is a fucking great idea because you have to keep up you got it yeah the truck's coming your way you know you got to back up and you know you can't

take any breaks like you know for whatever how many rounds she's making him do or how many minutes she's making him do as he's backing up he's got to hit that fucking bag and when he was with her his conditioning was on point man i mean he she put him through hell but some dudes don't want to go through hell oh they go through hell a few times like bj penn with marv rinovich yeah he went through hell a few times and then he was like fuck this man i'm not going through hell yeah i had a strength coach a couple years back it was awful and then uh we stopped doing it but uh yeah the i was really successful when i was with him fucking hell for sure though that's what it is though right it's like this like this nick curson guy who trained Rafael Dos Anjos.

It's one of the reasons why I can't wait to talk to him. It's because when you put those guys through hell like that, the results are undeniable. But it's a matter of, like, how much should that replace skill training? Right. You know? Like, here's a perfect example. Say if a guy like Rich Franklin had gone through a guy like Marinovich when he fought Anderson Silva. He still would not have been technically able to deal with Anderson striking.

Right. Well, wasn't Rich, like, wasn't where he's training? Did we talk about that? Like, he was... Yeah, he had some pretty intense... He was, like, one of the most intense, hardest training fighters at the time or whatever. Yeah, at the time, I mean, I don't know if it stands up. And he was huge for middleweight.

He was a big boy. Yeah, he definitely was. But yeah, it was the clinch. He didn't have the answer for the clinch. That's a technical thing. You could have trained all day, every day, and it's not going to change. You're lacking in that area. He also didn't have the answer standing up.

I mean, even outside of the clinch, when you see Anderson drop his hands and chuck and jive in front of him, my Franklin throws punches and kicks at air, and Anderson's just ducking under the kicks and looking at him like, that's a terrifying place to be. Yeah. When you're standing there with a guy who he knows you can't hit him. Mm-hmm. Did you ever see his fight, Anderson's fight, with Jorge Rivera in Cage Warriors? Cage Rage, whatever the fuck it was? No.

The only one I remember was his fight with Tony Franklin when he had the back elbow in Cage Rage. That was gnarly. Yeah. He fought Jorge Rivera, and he let Jorge Rivera punch him in the face. And Jorge is known as a knockout guy. Yeah.

And he punches him three, four times clean in the face. And Anderson just staring at him, smiling. Like literally let him tee off on his face. I'd be so scared to do that. You know, sometimes in the gym you can get, you know, stupid and do stuff like that. But what if that goes bad? What if you're like, yeah, hit me. Highlight.

Well, Anderson and Weidman. I mean, the clowning around. Ultimately what happened. That was the worst ever moment in Anderson's career and the biggest example why you should never clown around in a fight. That was one of those things when it's happening, you don't believe it's happening. You're like, what?

What are we seeing? Like, you almost have to shake your head. Like, what is this? Because that's what everybody wants to see. What's that? Like, Nick? Like, you almost have to shake your hand. Like, what is this? Because, like, that's what everybody wants to see. What's that? Like, Nick laid down. I'm like, what? No, motherfucker.

He laid down and put his hand on his head like he's taking a nap. That's so funny. Dude, I was slamming my hands against the table laughing. Somebody just posted a clip of it the other day, and you can hear yourself laughing. You can actually see me across this. I can't tell if I'm excited or not but i stand up and i'm screaming something that was a crazy fight man yeah it was weird being uh being there for that and then watching anderson after it was over realizing how much pressure was on him yeah when he just laid down

and started weeping yeah like whoa like yeah there's there's's The memes about this are awesome Pose don't stand up homie. Oh my god. He's so funny. He was so crazy the goat and Anderson Silva as far as like a Dude that people love to see fight is you don't get much better than Nick. No. People love that. To this day, I couldn't believe he did it. And that's after talking all kinds of mad shit.

None of us knew that was going to happen. He probably didn't even know. Yeah. He was real respectful talking about him, you know, even throughout the whole camp, you know, I'd be like, oh, you're going to fuck him up or saying anything to him. And he's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know.

I'm just going to survive. I'm just going to survive. And I'm like, what? You're going to kick his fucking ass. What do you mean you're going to survive? Like, we're in the back and he's like, said something like, oh, yeah, I might, I might fuck with him or something. And I was like, oh, okay.

You know, we're out there like, what the fuck is all this shit? It was awesome, though. It was great. And we could see how much it was messing with Anderson right away when he started doing it. He fucks with everybody's head. Yeah, this is really effective. But Nick fucks with everybody's head. He fucked with Robbie Lawler's head.

You could really see it in that Robbie Lawler fight. Like, Robbie Lawler was used to just going berserk on guys. And all of a sudden, Nick was like, what bitch? What bitch? What's up, bitch? What's up, bitch? Like, standing in front of his fame. You could see Robbie.

Yeah, it was affecting him for sure. When Nick got into the cage, I'll never forget that fight. Because he got in the cage, and he looked over at Robbie. He starts going, Stockton, motherfucker! Stockton, motherfucker! And Robbie was like, looking around like, what? What's happening here? Where's Stockton? Where's this where's this gonna leave like this is bizarre like it's just a totally different thing

What if Robbie would have been like Des Moines? Iowa bitch Yeah, it was a very rare moment in time This is a big card coming up this weekend right the glory card Glory card? Yeah, it's going to be a good one. Who's on this? I got it here clued up here. It's Simon and Artem for the belt.

And if you don't have Spike, you can watch it online. If you go to gloryworldseries.com you can stream it for only $10. And Artem Levin and Simon Marcus. Artem Levin one of the best kickboxers on earth for sure so is marcus simon marcus one of the best on earth too and uh they're gonna fight yeah they're two really interesting styles you know having fought both of them artem is very

much like a floyd mayweather kind of uh very elusive he'll score his points and then hold kind of eats up the clock really well um and then Simon is one of those just like bull forward, constantly coming forward, constantly trying to, you know, having, having fought both of them. Simon,

when you're, when you're standing across the ring from Simon, you see somebody that you have to knock out. Like he's going to keep coming at me no matter what. There's no weakness in his mindset. He's going to keep coming until I knock him out with Artem. It's like supreme confidence. it's like a really it's very uh interesting standing across from both of those guys and both guys have had a long career i mean you look at uh look at

the the records they're 54 and 1 for levin 42 2 and 1 for marcus and simon marcus up until your fight was undefeated you knocked him out and then he lost in China again after that as well, right? Yeah, my knockout in China. I think that was one of those things, like we were talking about before, where he didn't take the time off after I knocked him out. I mean, that was a bad knockout. You face plant. You're out for a long period of time, you know.

And then he got rocked again in China right after that. Who fought him in China? I don't know the guy's name. And he wasn't even a big name. It was a Chinese guy. I mean, the Chinese guy fought him in China? I don't know the guy's name. And he wasn't even a big name. It was a Chinese guy. I mean, the Chinese guy fought him in China. Crazy. Go figure.

What are the odds? It's like a Russian guy fighting you in Russia. Yeah. But, yeah, and then he came back and won the contender tournament against Jason Willis and Wayne Barrett. Now, Raymond Daniels was fighting on the card, too. He's an L.A. guy. Did you train with him at all?

I did that World Combat League like six years ago. We were on the same team. I met him and got to know him a little bit then. We haven't trained together. That was the Chuck Norris thing? Yeah. Now, the Chuck Norris thing took place in like a bowl, right? Yeah.

What did you think about that? I hated it. Hated it? It was terrible. It was really set up specifically for point karate guys to do well. It was just like everything against the kickboxer. Really? We're wearing those pants, right?

But underneath the pants, we have the sport combat super thick shin pads underneath the pants. Oh, really? So your leg kick, and it's a one round. It's three minutes, and then you have 30 minutes or whatever till you come back out and you fight your second round or whatever so it's really hard to be effective with with round kicks in general with a shin pad on it's only one round you know the shin pad is a weird thing but it's not weird when you think about the fact that the guys wear gloves and that you also like i always wonder, especially in MMA, like why do they have gloves on?

Like if you really, we've been talking about this a lot lately, that if you wanted to lessen the effectiveness of like punching techniques, one of the best ways is just remove the gloves. Right. Like if you remove the gloves, you make guys fight barehanded, you get to see what's really effective and not effective when it comes to striking. Yeah. You still can kick guys in the head.

You still can knee guys in the head. But you can only kick them in the head with the shin pad on. Like, imagine if you punch with that world combat. Imagine punching somebody in the leg with a glove on. You know? Yeah. It takes away all of the effectiveness, too. It's different when you're punching somebody in the chin, you know you know but you have to hit somebody really fucking hard with a punch

to the leg to hurt them which is essentially what that shin pad would be doing for it i just i hated the rules i hated that circle threw me off big time being in a circle with no ropes and then you're you know you get into an exchange and you step back and you would be on this this slant you know yeah why did why does everybody have to wear those pants? It was something about the sponsors. I got in a lot of trouble because I had sponsors hand a tattoo on my back because they wouldn't let us put anything on the pants.

And after the first fight, the director or whatever comes in the back and he's screaming and yelling, Chuck Norris is really mad at you. But I'm like, oh, Chuck Norris is mad at me. Is he mad? He was really pissed off that I was taking advantage or something. Did they not state it in the rules? I think it was in the rules.

That you couldn't do it? They said you couldn't have anything on. You couldn't alter the uniform. You couldn't put patches or anything on the uniform. I'm like, what? I had a tattoo on my back. It's like permanent marker. So the guy's dumping water on me in the back and like scrubbing it.

It wasn't even like he was trying to get it off. He was just trying to screw it up so my sponsor would be, you know. Did it work? I got paid. Did it mess it up at all, though? I mean, hand a tattoo. Oh, yeah. It messed it up.

It was like you got like, I think we went to like Venice Beach to get it done before I left. And then like I'm in the hotel room, and it's all smeared and bad. And I'm like, hey, can you cover this? Touch it up. The other guy on the team with Sharpie. Well, Sharpie might be even better than henna, right? Things like that might last even longer. Yeah.

So they were scrubbing it, and it was whatever. That was an issue with the UFC once with Rico Rodriguez. He had some— Golden Palace. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah that's back when they had online gambling was like really popular didn't uh Bernard Hopkins do that once too I feel like guys are doing that in boxing boxing having a lot yeah yeah but they stopped somehow they put a stop to it I don't why though why I don't know I mean the UFC you're gonna ruin the man or something it kind of does fuck with what you're looking at.

I mean, it doesn't matter to me if a guy has sponsors all over his shorts, but if he's got a big sponsor tattooed on his back, it just seems like... It seems kind of cheesy. Yeah. Like low... Low rent. Low rent, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I don't want to cut into a guy's ability to make money, but that does seem a little low rent. Yeah, goldenpalace.com. Back in the day. He's a fucking freak, huh? 49 years old, still fighting at a world-class level. The alien. Fights against Kovalev, who's a murderous puncher.

Yeah. Russians are a different kind of white people, huh? Yeah, yeah. They really are about this golovkin guy he's a motherfucker oh my god i love that dude i love him and he'll knock you out with shots that doesn't mean vinny and i were talking to him about about him the other day like it doesn't look like he's trying to hit you hard but like when he throws it all natural and loose it's like he knows it's gonna knock you out he's knocking people out with like body shots that

don't look hard look like they miss miss and people are dropping. Awesome. Yeah, his left hook to the body is fucking devastating. One of the best in the business at it. I forget who he fought but he threw a right hand

and it like, it like, looked like it slid off. Didn't even look like there was like penetration at all and the guy's done. Knockout.

I think it was two fights ago he hit the guy with it. Yeah, he's a motherfucker, dude. Amazing. He's awesome. He's really awesome. I love the fact that there's so many guys like that now.

Like him, Kovalev, Provodnikov. Yeah, Provodnikov. I love watching that guy fight. Savage Russians, man. I love watching that guy fight. Oh, that fight that he had with Lucas Matisse? Jesus Christ, that was crazy. Yeah.

Did you see the urine sample after the fight? No. Dude, pull that up because you've got to see this. He posted an Instagram photo of his urine sample, and it looks dude pull that up you guys see this he posted an Instagram photo of his urine sample and it looks like he poured coca-cola into the cup like he was pissing just so dark from blood and you know internal bleeding and bleeding and you know a lot of apparently not just internal bleeding but when you have an unbelievably grueling physical event like ultra marathons like look at it up there

That's his piss, bro Yes, yes, but you pull up the actual Instagram so you could see it we could read it Yeah, that's his urine sample man that his urine sample. That's the urine sample that he read it yeah that's his urine sample man that his urine sample that's the urine sample that he gave the athletic commission the post doping post fight because I pissed blood before but it was nothing that dark like that it was like fucking orange well I have a friend who did an ultra marathon my friend Cameron Haynes and he said the same thing that when you when you do ultra marathon when you pee it looks like coca-c you pee, it looks like Coca-Cola.

Really? Yeah. It's like your kidneys are failing. Yeah. You know? Fuck. Yeah, here it is. Sorry to all my friends.

I lost tonight. I felt I could have won this fight. I almost had him. But the fight happened the way it happened. And here it is. He's saying, one more fight in my career when I did my doping test, I had black urine. The first one was against Tim Bradley. Black urine.

Black urine. Fuck, dude. I think it's an endurance thing, too. It's just a kidney failure thing. That is fucking crazy. I can't believe that's real. Yeah, it's totally real. Those guys who have rhabdomyelosis from CrossFit and shit like that,

it's one of the signs of it. You get black urine. But ultramarathoners, they all talk about it. Black urine. What's the difference between an ultramarathon and a regular marathon? 100 miles in a day, 24 hours. It's a 24-hour race. You run 100 miles.

And you're just broken when it's over. I mean, why? Why do they do that? Prove they can do it. Yeah. My friend Cameron, who does it, is a fucking savage. He's just a psychopath. Is he, like, a really skinny guy?

He's 170 pounds, pretty yoked, actually. Really? Yeah, he's a bow hunter. He's a professional bow hunter, and he started getting into endurance training because bow hunting, you would think, is not a physical event, but what the physical event is is getting to the animals up the mountains and packing out all the meat. So, like, I had this guy, Remy Warren, on the podcast recently. And he was talking about how they had to pack out this, was it a moose or an elk they shot?

Moose or an elk? One of those. Big fucking animal. Okay? moose or an elk one of those big fucking animal okay and he's packing out 100 plus pounds at a time walking several miles back with 100 plus pounds at elevation going up mountains down mountains and then going back so he over the course of you know x amount of days when they packed all the meat out it took them it was 30 miles of walking with 100 pounds on your back up mountains wow and he's like after it was over he goes like i was just

done yeah he goes i got sick i was exhausted my body was just broken that's what you don't think about and these guys that do it like cam, every year goes elk hunting in the mountains, shoots a big elk every year, has to carry it out. And so he does all these crazy workouts. And one of them he does, he takes one of these like a meat backpack. They call it a Tenzink backpack. And he puts on, puts 135-pound rock in the backpack and he'll fucking hike up hills with this fucking rock on his back. Miles and miles. Man, I didn't realize how spoiled we used to just go to my buddy's uncle's property

and hike a little bit, and we'd shoot the thing and drag it to where he could get to it and call him, and he'd bring a fucking four-wheeler and drag the shit out, and we'd hang it in the barn. Yeah, that's the easy way. Yeah, and it's spoiled. Well, that's the way most. Yeah, and it spoiled. Well, that's the way most people do it, tree stands. Yeah.

But when you go for elk in the mountains, the big elk, oftentimes, they're hard to get to. They're smart. They're not going to hang around near your house. They're going to go up in the mountains, and they're trying to get some elk pussy. And you've got to sneak up to them, and then you've got to call them in. And then once you shoot them, then you've got to cut them sneak up to them and then you gotta call them in and and then once you shoot them then you gotta cut them up and drag them out of there yeah that's that's fucking crazy yeah so that's why he does ultra marathons he sort of got into running and fitness because of that and then escalated he's just skinny it's usually those marathoners like super you know all the triathlete guys i know they're pull up pull up his instagram because

he's got a bunch of pictures of him sexy bitch likes to show his muscles yeah he's all these he's just he's an animal 47 years old works full-time job trains every day every fucking day runs every morning lifts every night he's a fucking animal that's him i would never say i think that was even a marathon guy let alone an ultra marathon he just ran the boston marathon under three hours he did two two hours and 50 minutes but yeah he's he's an animal huh just killing shit eating wild meat that's a big part of it too it's like like if you see like pull up a little bit from up there above the yeah that's him in the marathon but there's a picture of his legs he goes keeps scrolling up up up little bit from up there above the yeah that's him in the marathon but there's a picture

of his legs you go keep scrolling up up up up not down up okay go down a little there's a that right there like you see like the fucking veins this dude's got in his legs he's using some sort of massaging tool but that's him it's just a driven man. I would have never thought that was a marathon guy. I know. You'd be amazed at the kind of fitness that you need to have just to hike eight hours a day in the mountains. We're talking about a lot of stuff that just gets really depressing. Yeah, it's a lot of work. A lot of work out there.

There's a lot of things that people would like to do, but it's just too much work. I'd probably say that what you do for a living is at the very top of that list. And you're looking at this guy carrying elk steaks and running up hills. You're like, fuck that. Meanwhile, he'll be looking at you fighting three times in a night going, fuck that. Fuck that. Everybody wants to eat if you're willing to hunt. Look at that. He'll be looking at you fighting three times in a night going fuck that yeah, no fuck that yeah Everybody wants to eat if you were willing to hunt. That's what you know look at that He's got a pack full with meat and giant ass fucking antlers

Carrying that bitch out there. I used to hunt all the time when I was growing up, Ohio Yeah, deer hunting all the time Been a long time best meat meat for you, man. No better meat in the world than wild game. I was broke. My brother and I were living together. Every dollar was spent on cigarettes and beer. Like 17, 18, 19, I think.

I guess I was younger than that. 17, 18. We would go hunting every year. there'd be like three or four of us we'd all get a deer and we would chop up like every little piece and i remember having like deer kebabs like for a whole year we were living off the deer that was in the fridge that's good times it's great for you though man so good for you do you ever get a hold of some now while you're training no i'll get you some moose i got some moose for you yeah fuck yeah dude oh yeah moose is tough it's tougher than i see your post you're quite the chef on the with the with that i love it it's fun like last night

man i was coming home last night from the comedy store i was driving home i was like 12 30 i was kind of tired like i could just fucking slip right into in and out right now and whoo nope i said just go home you got because i knew i had some defrosted moose in the in the refrigerator so i went home cook some moose steaks and some kale. Fuck in and out. Look at that. Oh, so good, dude. That stuff gives you energy, too.

When I eat that, there's something about moose. I think something about those big, athletic, very lean animals. I feel energized when I eat the meat. That doesn't seem to make sense. I could see that. I don't know if they really have an accurate account of all of the properties of various different kinds of meat. I would like to see if there's a way to do some sort of double-blind, placebo-controlled effect test on the difference between eating elk versus chicken or the difference between eating you know alligator versus beef I really would like to know I really I wonder what the fuck is happening because I try to look at it really objectively like I try not to like maybe

I'm this is a placebo effect maybe I'm fucking with myself I don't think it is though when I eat moose like more than any other animal I've ever eaten there's something about when I eat it I feel like ah i just feel like fucking charged up man i don't know what it is i've heard in my i have a buddy of mine who uh was lifting he's a he's a he's a big fitness fanatic too and his wife shot an elk and uh he was eating nothing but elk for months he's like dude i'm making all these fucking gains and i gotta think it's connected to this elk. He's like, I've nothing but elk. You know, he doesn't have a lot of money. He's like, we've been eating nothing but elk for like the past two months.

And he goes, and I've gained like five pounds of muscle. Maybe there's something to that horse beef thing that Overeem was talking about. Maybe. I mean, obviously he's on whatever, but like the fucking horse beef thing. Maybe it is. Well, a horse is kind of the same thing. You're talking about a super lean, super athletic.

Yeah. I mean, an animal that jumps over trees with you on its back. You know, that's a motherfucker. You ever had horse? No.

There's a place called Joe Beef in Montreal. If you've never been to Montreal, if you ever go up there to train at TriStar or something like that, the best fucking restaurant on earth.

Yeah. Yeah. It's in Montreal. I took my pal Tony Hinchcliffe there last week, and that guy serves horse all the time, and I've had it there twice. It's good? Yeah. It's real good.

It's weird. Is it like gamey or no? No. No, not at all. It's weird that you're eating a horse, but I mean, is it? I mean, it's weird to eat a pig, you know? Go watch Babe, and then have some bacon. bacon well that and pigs like waller and shit like they live in like three feet of shit eat i'll sleep and shit so that's that's not good that's gross it's nasty you have

a wild pig no looks different yeah yeah it's dark it's weird like the flesh is dark i cooked a wild ham the other day see if it's on my instagram other day. See if it's on my Instagram. I pulled up a, yeah, it's on my Instagram. There's a wild ham from about three or four weeks ago. But it's kind of like a. It's different than like boars or it's the same? Well, boar is just male. You know, like if you shoot a male, a male bear is also called a boar.

And a sow, pig and a sow bear. They're called, the female is called a boar. And a sow, pig and a sow, bear. They're called, the female's called a sow. So when you go at wild boar in a restaurant, they're kind of bullshitting you. It's not really wild, it might be wild sow. It's wild pig is what they should say. But it sounds cool to say, we're going wild boar hunting.

You're going wild pig hunting. I thought that, but do all pigs have like the fucking? Yeah, there it is. See, that's what it looks like. See up there? That's what, that's wild pig. That's a female. That's a female that I shot at this place called the Tohon Ranch.

It's about an hour, hour and a half north of here. It's fucking delicious, dude. It's so good. And there's very little fat on it and compared to domestic pig much much less fat you got like a giant freezer home just full of two of them yeah two huge freezers big commercial freezers yeah well i i kind of decided like when i started getting into hunting i when the first time i went hunting i was like i'm either going to become a vegetarian or i'm going to become a hunter like let's let's see. Like how I feel like after I shoot this animal.

Oh, after you shoot it? Yeah. I might feel like an asshole. Maybe I'll just stick to only fish. I never really felt bad about fish. They don't even take care of their babies. They shit them out and run away. Right.

You know, they drop the eggs. Fuck fish. The male comes off, jizzes on the eggs, and then they bolt. It's like the idea of mammals. Like, mammals are the issue yeah um so i decided once i did it like i'm gonna try to eat exclusively in my house only wild game i don't really totally do that because occasionally i'll go buy some bison or something like that from whole foods but almost exclusively in my house i'm eating wild game tonight, I'm having moose stew.

It's cooking right now. It's on the slow cooker. I left the house this morning. It was on, and it'll cook for like six hours. Have you always been like into cooking, or is it just something you started when you got into hunting? No, I've always been into cooking some things. Like I'm really good at making steak. I'm a really good steak cooker and I cook pasta and I cook vegetables

like real simple stuff. I'm not making quiches or anything elaborate, souffles or anything that requires a deep cooking knowledge. My skills are limited, but I know how to do what I know how to do. You could throw some steak on the barbecue.

I'll barbecue the fuck out of some steak. I know what I'll cook the fuck out of the steak. Barbecue the fuck out of some steak. I know what I'm doing. That's about the extent of what I can do. These foods contain the best natural sources of creatine. Venison, wild game. Huh. Wow.

Experts agree the best animal source of creatine is wild game. Wow. So there you go. My question's answered. There you go. Venison, elk, bison, and buffalo. What about moose, bitch? Moose is the same as- It's got to be on there it's it's 100 on there it's probably just harder to get because there's no there's no commercially available moose you can get commercially

available venison elk buffalo and bison which by the way the same animal i don't want it redundant uh game meat unless it's a different type of buffalo, like this water buffalo. But when you talk about the American buffalo, you're talking about a bison. Next best source is free-range meats, which includes turkey breast, chicken breast. I just shot a turkey. I shot a turkey a couple weeks ago. That's interesting. That tastes different. You shot it in the body or you shot it in the head?

Shot it in the head. Yeah, you're supposed to shoot the head, right? Yeah, if you shoot in the body destroy Spitting out little now buckshot pellets. Yeah Yeah, it's it's a dirty trick man. You put out a rubber turkey you put out a rubber female Start making noises Boy would I like some cock? And then they come over looking to give some cock. Boom.

Boom. Blow his fucking head off. Yeah, they don't die easy. You should feel bad about that one. I mean, that's... No. No. Birds.

Birds can suck my dick. Birds and fish. Yeah. Birds, at least they lay their eggs and then sit on them. So they're like one step above. Yeah. And they're kind of like... I have chickens that I don't want to kill.

You know, they're like pets. But if shit goes down, the power goes down, I'll kill them before I kill my dog. That's for fuck sure. Right. Those chickens are getting it. But they're kind of, they're pets, you know. My daughters will pick them up and hold on to them. Right.

They're cute, you know. Are they nice? Yeah, they're friendly. Yeah. We've had them since they were babies i mean we hatched them i mean not hatched them but we got the hatchlings like days after they're born the way it works is they actually send them through the mail which is kind of fucked up they do it through the u.s post office and it's like no no the chicks when the chicks are born they pack them in special boxes and they send them their the boxes have like air holes in born, they pack them in special boxes and they send them. The boxes have like air holes in them.

And they send them one day air. And it gets to you, you know, express mail, whatever it is, UPS Express, whatever the fuck they call it. It gets there and, you know, they give you an alert like, hey, it's going to be coming within one day. And then, you know, these animals haven't had any food at all for 24 hours when you get them. And you get them and you give them some food, and they're these little tiny things, man. You have to incubate them. We put them in this large box with a heat lamp above it,

so they're in this little chicken container box, and you feed them, and it's really kind of intense. What else you got? You got a monkey or anything? No, no monkeys. I have an indoor courtyard in my house, and while I was on Fear Factor when I was losing my fucking mind, while I was in full-blown losing my mind,

I was actually thinking about putting a roof over the indoor courtyard, putting thick glass walls all around it, and putting crocodile monitors in there and feeding them rabbits, like having my own Jurassic Park, like having a little opening, throw a rabbit through there and watch the crocodile monitors attack it and devour it. I'm like, come on, that would be the dopest shit ever. But the problem is those motherfuckers if they get really big You can't really stop them like if they want to attack you they'll get like seven eight nine feet long and

Also, their shit is Toxic like this shit is just disgusting So I was like who's gonna clean their shit I'm gonna have some dude come over the house and clean their shit. Get eaten by the fucking alligator. No, it was a crocodile monitor. Have you ever seen one of those? No, it's a monitor. Check it out.

I thought you were talking about a crocodile. No, it's a giant lizard. A really freaky looking giant predatory lizard. I have seen those. This is a crocodile monitor. Pull one up, Jamie. Yeah. That's kind of awesome.

Yeah. If it wasn't for the shit i would have been like oh you'd be fucked up joey should have got one i know i came real close dude i was pricing i was talking to contractors and everything see like look at that one of the rat in his mouth down there right there jamie she always thought it'd be fun to have like a piranha tank i had that throw fuck yeah i had a giant piranha tank. Had people over to throw steak in there and watch you go nuts? No, the steak's not the move. The move is goldfish.

You get to watch the attack. I used to go to the supermarket or the pet store every week, and I would get a large bag of goldfish. Because I had, I want to say I had 30 piranha. Allegedly, because they're illegal. Allegedly. This is a made-up to say I had 30 piranha. Allegedly, because they're illegal. Allegedly. This is a made up story.

I'm just telling you, I'm making it up. This is for entertainment purposes. Yeah, this is for entertainment purposes only. And I also had a skeleton, a human skeleton in there, that I purchased online,

from like a medical supply thing. Like, you could buy a human skeleton, which I thought was fucked up. That's fucked. It's so fucked up. That should be illegal. It totally should be illegal. I had it, and should be illegal i had it in a fucking dead body in your yeah so the bottom of the piranha tank was these skeletons like a skull and shin bone and some other bones and people would

come over and they would look at it and then they would look closer and they'd be like is that a fucking real skeleton i'm like yeah yeah it's real scared did you kill somebody and throw in the tank like joe's house is like the equivalent of like willy wonka chocolate factory okay i'm definitely coming over next week from male children now that i have daughters and everything it's all feminized they've ruined my whole existence but uh not really but i mean my my my my male sanctuary has now been feminized in an extreme way i mean i had pit bulls and fucking piranhas i was looking to have a reptile sanctuary but um the piranhas were fun but you know what's more fun the piranhas turtles turtles are motherfuckers they're way more vicious than piranhas and Turtles. Turtles are motherfuckers.

They're way more vicious than piranhas. And you look at them, they're like, they look kind of cute and everything like that. When turtles are hungry and you feed them goldfish, I would feed the goldfish to turtles as well. They're way more entertaining. Really? They're way more entertaining than piranhas. They're fucking vicious bastards, man. And they would grab them with their paws. They use their little little fins they'd grab them with their fins hey look at that

turtle what is he eating jesus christ like a tomato or something yeah you want to see though that's not a turtle that's a tortoise i believe what see if there's a video of turtles eating goldfish and what was crazy is like well these are actually uh turtles eating goldfish and what was crazy is like well these are actually turtles eating goldfish they're actually legal you know or piranhas since I didn't have them because they would be illegal piranhas are illegal there was a video of like this lady in Thailand I think it was started and she was like fishing for piranhas she had like fucking some sort of gizzard or some kind of meat or whatever and she would dangle it in the water, and the water would start going all crazy. And then she would pull it out, and there'd be all these piranhas hanging onto the meat.

Yeah, look at them. Look at this turtle. They're swimming around, and they would swim, and they would just plow into the pile of goldfish and snack on them. And when they get a hold of them, they use their little fucking hands, too. They'd grab with their little hands. I hope this guy gets one so we can see it. But they fucking, hey, it mangles them.

Look at them. Oh, my kids are getting turtles. Oh, dude, they're fun to watch, man. But you got to be careful if your kids do get turtles because they develop all sorts of funky diseases from their shitty water. You got to clean the fuck out of the tank with those cunts. Because, look at these. They're tearing them apart, man. They're mangling these goldfish.

It's fun to watch because you realize like these things are dinosaurs, man. Yeah. They haven't changed for 100 million plus years. So look at that dead goldfish. You're just fucking snacking on them. Come here, bitch. That's awesome. How often does this happen?

You know, snakes, it's like fucking. You feed them every couple days. Yeah? Yeah. Awesome. you feed them every couple days yeah yeah you feed them every couple days but the uh the thing is you got to be real careful with uh touching the water and then like touching your face or eating something like you can get diseases like my wife made me get rid of them when she got pregnant because uh having babies and being around that stuff like you can you can definitely get sick that water gets real dirty They're dirty animals. They shit it fucking it gets it's funky quick cuz they're pretty big

You know you dealing with something that's several inches long just shitting in this tank, and I've always always wanted a monkey And then my girls like you have two kids that I'm like my grandmother had a monkey yeah Yeah, I wasn't good. What was that movie with Clintint eastwood we had the fucking every which way but loose yeah i had that orangutan frank or whatever his name clyde clyde right turn clyde yeah and cry what clyde would punch people out the window yeah i want a clyde big idiot that'd be awesome yeah until it decides and rips your fucking arm off and beats you to death with it. Yeah, I know. You know all that good stuff.

And I heard they like throw their shit. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, you just got to be nice to them. I'm sure if you're nice to them. Right. But you have to be around them all the time. It's like having a baby that never stops being a baby. See, somebody was telling me that they had, I mean, it wasn't that kind, I forget what it was called.

But it was like, they get about, it was like a little outbreak monkey, whatever that's called. And, uh, that, uh, she was telling me that her dad had bought one off of some people that was like, uh, it was already full grown and loved the dad, but it hated like females get really possessive over the males. Yeah. It hated her. And, uh, you know, sometimes she'd be cool or whatever, but they, sometimes she would like attack her and scream and fucking scratch and shit.

Oh, my God. That movie kind of ruined it for me. Outbreak. That's not the one I want. I want that one. I want Clyde. I want the nice guy. Well, Chimps.

I thought Chimps would be cool to have until that lady in Connecticut. Right. Her friend came over and ate her friend's face. Ripped a fucking door off the car. Yeah, that's like the same thing. It's like it was jealous that this woman was gonna be spending time with his girlfriend who was the wife though the owner rather that was his in his mind it was his girlfriend right cuz he's to hang out with her that he would the lady would

give the chimp wine she'd give him Xanax she gave him Xanax crazy bitch yeah type of crazy bitch is gonna have a chimp and have them walk around with diapers on is the same type of Crazy bitch that's gonna give a chimps annex. Yeah, the chimp is wearing diapers. You know that by the way huge chimp 200 pounds Imagine a chimp as big as you dude, but only five feet tall just fucking well, it's crazy It's yoked and just there's a video there's a video. They can rip your arm off. Oh, yeah. Rip your arm off and beat you with it. This table, this solid oak table, smashes fucking thing to pieces if it wanted to.

The amount of strength that they have, look at that. What the fucking fuck? That's like Vanderlei Silva when he was fighting in Pride when he fought in the heavyweight Grand Prix. Totally. That's, no, you know what that is? That's Husamarlei Silva when he was fighting in pride when he fought in the heavyweight Grand Prix It's even that's no you know what that is that's who Samar Pajaras after he did a cycle. Yeah Jesus Christ, but like 50 times stronger the physical strength that those fucking things have is off the charts Like you can't even we can't even imagine we don even, we don't even know what the fuck that is. I still want one.

I love, like, gorillas. I love gorillas. I just, I don't know. Well, that was my other thought. I have this area of my yard that's a one acre blocked off area. I want that fucker right there, yeah. Oh, look at that gorilla. Jesus fucking Christ, he's yoked.

Awesome. Or this guy. Look at that. That's not real. That's a fake gorilla Jesus Christ fucking imagine that murderous motherfucker trying to bite your dick off The physical strength that those things have to it's not like a man who's built like that Did you see the one with the fucking arms on that thing Christ Christ. You see the one with a sack on him, too. Oh, shit. Do you know that ball size is directly determined by the amount of promiscuous females around you?

Really? Really. Yeah. When you see an animal with giant balls, that means he's around hoes. You can't trust these hoes. You've got to have as much sperm development as possible. Have you seen that video of that fucking guy from like Ethiopia or somewhere? Has like 100 pound

testicles? Yeah, there's like a bunch of dudes like that. There's a guy in America like that for a while. You see in that picture there's a hairless bear. I mean, they're bad enough you gotta carry them around with you all the time anyway, but 100 pounds? I don't usually bother me. It doesn't bother me like my regular sized balls. I don't feel the weight, but 100 pounds? I don't usually bother me. It doesn't bother me like my regular-sized balls.

I don't feel the weight, but maybe you got bigger balls than me. It's like luggage. You can never put it down. Maybe I'm surrounded by hoes. Can't trust these hoes. Can't trust these hoes. Pull up the picture of that hairless bear. What the fuck is that, man?

It's funny. Somebody posted this today it was uh 15 of the scariest bald animals or some shit like that yeah that's um a weird animals look when they don't have hair that's a sun bear i don't know what those things look like with hair it's not a uh black bear look at that one up there the one the far not the far right but the one next to it keep going yeah right right there. I fucking thing Jesus Christ That's a black bear bear. Yeah, cuz that's in Orlando. So that's a that's a bear with mange Creepy fucking animals man Jesus Christ

Yeah, how weird Nature's weird as fuck man if bears didn't What is that? Is that a baboon? Oh, my God. That's a hairless baboon. Oh, Christ. What a monster. They can't have... It's a hyena.

Have you seen those fucking things? The Africans have them on giant leashes like they're fucking toys. Yeah. They put muzzles on them and shit. Those are gnarly. Big chains on their necks necks hairless hyena is that real well that's what they say a chupacabra is you know the chupacabra like they're always like saying oh we found a chupacabra it's a real animal what a chupacabra is is a coyote that

has mange look at that fucking monster look at that that thing. Jesus Christ. Those are scary They those things have some of the huge huge you're somewhere like this African dude walking one And it's like enormous go back to that picture the mouth open Jamie enormous people look at that fucking face Yeah, oh just designed to bite through bone. That's what that mouth is for Designed to bite through bone. That's what that mouth is for. And that fucking baboon right there, too. Ugh. Yeah, they're creepy as fuck, too.

They kill each other left and right, too. Baboons, they kill baboon babies. They kill everything. Yeah, hyenas are the only matriarchal mammal society that we know of. The females are actually larger than the males. Really? Yeah, keep the males from eating the babies. Huh.

They also have a fake dick. They have a faux penis. The female hyena has a faux penis, and she'll get on top of the male and fuck him in the ass with her fake dick. Shut the fuck up. You're making this up? You're not making this up? I wish I wasn't lying.

Pull up the video of female hyena. This has got to be seen. Female hyena faux penis. Fuck two girls, one cup. Let's see the hyena get raped. Nature's rough as fuck, man. There's a lot of infanticide in the animal kingdom. I think that's the way the world should be.

I think society fucks it all up. You think that's the way it should be, though, for real? Well, however nature wanted it. I mean, maybe they're supposed to be. No, not hyenas doing it. You're going to see actual sex i want to see the female fake penis raping the male did you google fake female faux penis i can't believe this is real yeah no it's real man google images instead of see if there's uh yeah see there's this

is this artificial penis that comes out it's a she penis it's this artificial penis that comes out. It's a she penis. It's an artificial penis that comes out. And the female, which is larger than the male, above that you can see it. It's an actual penis. It just doesn't work. Well, it's not really a dick. It's just a hunk of meat.

That's it right there. That's a male. That's a female right there. But, like, they still squat when they pee out of the vagina yeah yeah they don't pee out of it they just fuck you with it yeah well they don't you know believe that's that's yeah flabbergasted they give birth out of it no 60% of the Cubs the first time others die of suffocation inside the

pseudo penis hmm that doesn't make sense maybe they go down the wrong hole hmm i wonder i don't know fuck hyenas though fuck that world the whole world is horrible i don't want to hang it anymore nah you don't want a hyena this is they're just so like it's like like people who say they want bears like you know almost all bears are cannibals. Like almost all of them. Like especially males. Male bear, one of the reasons why they hunt males, like mature boars, is to make the population healthy. It seems counterintuitive.

But male bears will eat way more cubs than any hunter is ever going to kill. will eat way more cubs than any hunter's ever going to kill. Like male bears, when they come out of hibernation, especially in the spring, one of the first things they do is go look for cubs to eat. And this is something that biologists are just... Like easy prey. Easy prey. And they don't know if they're doing it. They just guess why they're doing it.

They don't know if they're doing it just for food or if they're doing it because they want to bring the female to estrus quicker So it could be both or it could be the side effect of them doing it for food is the female comes in estrus quicker But when I was I was bear hunting in Alberta We got to watch a male try to get this females cubs and the female fought the mayor all mail off and we're like 30 40 yards away from this. It was fucking crazy. But were you commentating?

I kind of was. I bet you were. I kind of was, but my mouth was wide open. Oh, the black one goes for mouth. Full mouth on the bear. They were standing up, too. Like attacking each other, biting each other. That was pretty good.

I was there, dude. Is that what it was? I actually saw it. But it's kind of fucked when you see it. Like the guys, while we were in camp, one of the guys witnessed a male kill one of the cubs. And then he ate half of it. And then the female came over and chased him away eventually. And then she ate the rest of her own cub.

It's hard out there for a pimp. It's hard. But you were bear hunting. hunting yeah and none of those three look like a good target or no well the male you wanted to hike out the mountain no no no no the male was a good target but he wouldn't sit still and he was too far away and he was in between trees and when he came up to the female the female took we wouldn't we wouldn't kill the female and we definitely wouldn't kill a female with cubs. And when the male came over, it was also getting dark, where it was totally on that borderline where you're not really sure you could see

exactly where you're shooting, especially with a bow and arrow. Oh, it was a bow. Yeah. How many times did you have to shoot a bear with a bow? I shot it once because I shot it right. If you shoot it once, you go through the double lungs. With these bows, the power of these bows is insane. A real Hoyt compound bow, 80-pound pull.

You're talking like 288 feet per second of 468 green arrows flying with razor-sharp broadheads blows right through the body I mean oh yeah these are this is in fucking New Jersey dude New Jersey has such a bear population problem New Jersey has the largest population of bears per capita in North America big-ass fucking black bears and they're fighting over who Controls the garbage Like the territory where the garbage is These fucking bears are biting each other in the face In front of people's cars And they're big

I mean these are several hundred pounds these fucking bears If you go earlier than that You get to see them knock over the garbage cans Yeah up there back up a little bit They first start duking it out Like one bear is controlling This is this guy's fucking front lawn man Yeah, up there. Up there, back up a little bit. They first start duking it out. Like, one bear is controlling. This is the guy's fucking front lawn, man.

His mailbox is getting knocked over by these bears. My brother lives in Longwood, Florida, and it's like a gated community. It's like a really nice area. And every night there's giant bears knocking over the trash cans in the backyard. Yeah. And I guess the city, like, they won't do anything about it. Well, they didn't want to open up a bear hunting season in florida but they're starting to do it yeah in new jersey they have a real issue a fucking kid got killed a rutger student got killed in new jersey yeah i guess one of the somebody in my brother's neighborhood got mauled some lady

got mauled yeah dude and then you got these idiots that are like fucking leaving food out for the bears oh yeah, yeah, keep some coming Yeah, well that's another thing about bears It's not like a deer if you leave food out for a deer It'll eat that food and then go find food other places you leave food out for a bear He knows that's where the food is. Yeah, keep coming back So they have real problems when a bear like this when a bear gets a hold of your garbage like these bears They're they're going to war right here because they've found a spot where the garbage is.

So look at these fucking guys. These are huge bears, man. Because I keep telling them, like, hey, shoot the fucking bear. Yeah. He's got, like, two giant English masters. I'm like, shoot the bear. Feed him the bear meat. Yeah. This is good.

He's like, oh, what if I shoot it and it doesn't fucking die? It doesn't, you know. How many shots? One? You just go right through the lungs. Lungs. Kevin, are you listening? Joe Rogan's giving you advice here.

Double lung. Pay attention. Wait until it turns sideways. You get a broadside shot. You shoot right behind the arms. Like right where the armpit is. Right there. Boom.

Goes right through. Especially with a bow and arrow. You'll penetrate through both lungs and it'll be dead in seconds. I mean, we were talking like 10 feet away, you know, 15 feet. It's in the yard. Yeah, they're not scared. They're not scared of people at all. Yeah, what he said, what he's afraid of is what if he, you know,

hurts it but doesn't kill it and the thing charges him? That's possible. I'm like, you got five more shots? Yeah. 357? Well, is he going to use a pistol? Yeah. Yeah?

I would use a pistol. Yeah, yeah, I Would use a rifle rifle if he's gonna shoot a gun get a real You know get a seven millimeter Remington Ultramag something like that Just blow one through him where he's not getting up 12 gauge slugs not gonna handle it. He could yeah You could go the slug. I'm a fan of rifles. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's super accurate I precise someone him to miss and shoot the neighbor's house and dog and... That's a good point. And where does he live? Florida?

Yeah. Can you use suppressors in Florida? Can you use silencers? I don't know. There's a problem in California. You can't use silencers, which is really stupid. Does that work? I saw in a Steven Seagal movie, he, like, taped a 20-ounce bottle to the end of it.

You see what I mean? You think it's, like, under siege? Would that work? Everything in Steven Seagal movies are actual and factual. Right. That's the only thing he allows. He doesn't allow anything in a movie

unless it's absolutely correct. Really? No. I don't know. I'm sure it doesn't work. I'm serious. A two liter bottle. Of Coke or something?

I mean, it sure doesn't silence it, but it might like. Probably takes a little bit off of it. Take a little bit off it It's kind of weird. I was talking to this guy from Sig Sauer yesterday about this. Oh, they tried it. Let's hear it See thought I made that up to you That's gonna shoot this dude right in the face. You know he's gonna die here. Hey, if this doesn't work, I'm sending it to Jackson.

Is he gonna shoot it at the bottom, at the ground, this dummy? No. Okay, here goes. No. Yeah, it wasn't very quiet. Didn't work at all. How to make a suppressor from a flashlight? Is that real?

That was probably going forever. Let's see. Let's see how it works. We'll just pull it ahead. Oh, this guy's like going deep. He's building shit. But it's weird because in California, silencers are illegal. I don't know why.

Because if you can hunt and you can hunt with a rifle, what a silencer does is it eliminates the sound. I mean, it doesn't eliminate it totally, but that big boom, it's... Do you want the boom? Like, why? It doesn't make any sense. It's like, it's one of those weird things where people aren't, they're not

thinking logically and objectively when they create laws. Like, they think that someone's gonna, like, snipe people people and you're not gonna hear it and someone's gonna die and get shot but the reality is if somebody shoots you like it does doesn't matter if there was a bang or not yeah it's the rifle still works yeah you have to have a silencer on your muffler you have to have a silencer on lawn equipment lawn mowers anything you have to use some sort of a muffler, but not on rifles. You can't have it on rifles.

Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get most of it. You shouldn't get most of it. Most of it doesn't make sense. I don't get it. Not a huge fan of the police force nowadays, Joe. It's getting ugly out there, isn't it? It's so bad.

It's so ugly out there, isn't it? It's so bad. It's so just just bad. You know, I think part of it is I think it's just numbers. You're also dealing with 350 million people in this country. Who knows how many thousands and thousands of police officers? Who knows how many incidents

they have to deal with? Who knows how many people are incompetent? And the ones that are incompetent, they get highlighted, videotaped, put out there. And I also think that there's a culture that they have developed of doing shit in a fucked up way that people don't like that they got away with for a long time. And then cell phones and cameras and YouTube came along

and now everybody's super aware of it and you just can't do it anymore. You just can't do what they've been doing their whole career. Yeah, I think, I mean, there obviously there are racial issues or whatever. But I just think that those get highlighted even more. But I see just fucking asshole cops doing asshole things to every color person. You know what I mean? It's just that lately it's been highlighted.

But it's like if no one's fucking shooting at you stop shooting people you know when did they become such pussies that like you know there was a video of a guy walking out of his house with a screwdriver and like he was literally walking he was like with his wife it was like 50 year old man he's walking out with like a screwdriver in his hand like this like he was walking to the mailbox to fix something and the cops like shot him like nine times what yeah and then didn't uh didn't like try to help him or anything like you know what were they responding to like what they think he was i think it was domestic violence or something i don't even know what it was but it was like the the older woman get walks out and then the husband walks

out right behind him and they were he was like oh drop it blah blah blah and the guy's like what and then they shot him like nine times and then they don't even go up to like help the guy. You know, it's like I find almost like these guys are just looking for that opportunity for when it's OK. Then more so like when it's necessary. There's a lot of them that definitely do that. There's a lot of them that are just too stupid to be cops. Yeah. But I think most people are unqualified to be cops.

We've talked about this ad nauseum on this podcast. I just think that we have to appreciate the fact that being a cop is a fucking ridiculously hard job. You want to talk about PTSD for soldiers, but nobody talks about PTSD for cops. Cops are dealing with horrible shit every fucking day of the week. And most of them are doing a great job. And the ones that do a great job, you don't hear anything about. It's the ones that fuck up and shoot like that guy in South Carolina that shot that guy as was he was running away and then planted the gun on him did he plan a gun planted the taser or something that you watch him he walks up and like set something else on the floor oh really then the story was oh he went for my taser and was like need to go for a taser oh my god they did

that but of course that gets spun into the black guy you know well if that was a fucking it didn't matter who that was he was to do that same shit too. You know, a guy goes through his shoes and then runs away. You don't get to shoot him. Yeah. You don't get to shoot him as he's running away. And then I don't get to shoot him while he's running away and then run up and put the taser down next to him.

I didn't even know that. That's awful. I didn't know that he did that. Oh God. I just think there, there are good cops, you know, but it's like,

if you're a good cop, how many bad cops have you narked out? Because you know how many other ones are in the station. You know what I mean? Like, there's just this, you know, this, like, brotherhood of, you know, I'm going to stand up for our own. And, you know, that's what bugs me about it. It's always been that way. Yeah. My dad was a cop.

It's really upsetting and disgusting. And to have kids and to see all this this shit right now it's just really scary and worry about your son getting involved in something having some asshole cop do something yeah i mean mike my uh my my wife my fiancee sorry babe uh she had sounded really bad um she's uh she's mixed and like our we have two boys and one of them looks white and the other one looks mixed and black. This racial shit and ignorance is upsetting. Scary. It should be.

It is. I'm hoping that all this anger and all these protests and all these videos that are coming out and all these YouTube videos and all these people that are rising up that's going to change things. I hope.

Yeah. It just seems like martial law is coming. Like there was something about, you know, it's like somebody said something about their allowing the conditions to eventually go to martial law. Yeah. People say things like that. The way that the news media is like highlighting everything,

it just makes it so much worse. It's just all bad. I think they're highlighting it because that's what people want to pay attention to. I really don't think there's any concerted effort to create martial law. There's a lot of conspiracy theories about that stuff, but I think that's just horseshit. I think the last thing they want is an armed culture of Americans involved in martial law. It's just like, it's not going to work. This is not the country where you could pull that off.

You can't take everybody's guns away. It will fucking never happen. There's more guns in this country than there are people. It's just not going to happen. You're not going to take away their... I don't know if there's more guns than people, but I bet it's close. It's not going to happen.

I just think that people panic about that kind of stuff and people always love talking about some tyrannical conspiracy the government comes in and even when you try not to it's like someone says something you It's hard not to did you grow up in a family with guns yet? Yeah, that's your family all the time I grew up hunting it. We started hunting and shooting at like 10 12 Yeah, I think why I went rabbit hunting when I was 12, I was shooting since I was like... Your dad was into it? Yeah, my dad was into it. My brother and I.

We didn't talk about this the last time, and this is something that was controversial after our podcast, because during the manhoof training camp, your dad died. Right. How hard was that, man, to go through? My dad and I had like a weird relationship. My dad and I had like a falling out probably 10 or 12 years ago. Hadn't spoken in 10 years. And he came to one of my fights when I won Glory 10 with Hearts and Leaven.

And that was one of the biggest things that Vinny helped me work on. I found out my dad had cancer. And my reaction when my brother and sister told me was like, fuck him like I don't care like I really didn't care hated him that much that uh wow that uh I always just like hated him like we had like some really bad issues and uh uh when I started talking to Vinny you know I mentioned yeah my dad had cancer and I didn't know how I felt about it because part of me like cared, you know, at some point. And Vinny did some like he called it timeline therapy. And we had a this is not at all what I was planning on talking about.

But we he asked me all of these scenarios like think of a time in your life when you were really proud and then think of a time when you were really upset and like all these different emotions. And he didn't know what he was what it was about or what was going to happen he's just trying it on me and every one of the things he talked about was my dad like every one of those times was a time with my dad and uh he did like the you know the whole session or whatever at the end of it i just had no more resentment or anger toward my dad and it was really weird and uh it was like this chip on my shoulder like my whole life and uh at one point for a long time uh i used to think about my dad before i would fight when i was fighting professionally like i would use not necessarily like i'm fighting my dad but like to shove it up his ass like look what i'm gonna do you know and uh i realized that like

that anger that i had and that i used to tap into all the time was actually like holding me back. And it was almost like a handicap. And yeah, when I, when he helped me forgive my dad, I was able to go to Florida. This is, you know, he's got stage four cancer. He's going to die. And I had a relationship with my dad for the last year before he died that I hadn't had in 10 years. And that was from that Vinny helped me do that. That's got to have a big impact on the way you raise your own sons.

Yeah, for sure. Knowing the resentment that you had towards your father and the anger and the bad relationship. Never wanting it to get to that place. Yeah. It was weird it was uh vinny didn't know that he was that that was even going to be the result he was just like i want to try this timeline therapy thing on you and uh yeah i went from like completely hating him to like just forgiving him completely not like half-assed forgiving him to like waiting for

that apology like there was no apology there was no talking about it it was like completely starting over and uh yeah we had like a really good a relationship for that last year before he died and um i knew that he was he was battling cancer my brother started treating him he was stage four i mean it was the doctors like you know your dad's gonna die he had cancer in his to die. He had cancer in his lungs, cancer in his brain, cancer in his chest, cancer in his neck. He had like this giant mass on his neck. And my brother started treating him with CBD oil and

allegedly I was shipping it to him from here into Florida or whatever. That probably wasn't very good. Allegedly. Allegedly. Fiction for fictional purposes. And we were giving him cbd oil for about i don't know i guess seven months probably and uh after uh he wasn't going to chemo he just didn't want to do it he was like really stubborn um stubborn guy wouldn't do that

and uh they uh they tested him they did like a graph or whatever to see where the cancer if it had grown or whatever over a period of time and they were shocked that 90 of the cancer had died that there was 90 of the cancer was dead and 10 of the cancer that was still alive was like completely surrounded in dead cells so that they couldn't get even medicine to it and it couldn't grow and you know it was just gonna he was gonna have to live with it you know but it was completely surrounded by dead cancer cells and the only thing possibly that could have done it was the cbd oil because he was doing nothing else correctly he was like uh you know they had him on so many

narcotics and pain pills and stuff that he was he's a asshole to be around it was really hard it was like constantly on like this drug thing um and he wouldn't eat he only wanted to eat was like chocolate cake and ice cream you know like wouldn't it was like really hard bad for cancer we're like we're like uh you know trying to get him the right supplements and and you know it was a tough situation but the uh the cbd oil was beating the cancer, and the cancer wasn't what killed him. He actually died from starvation or malnourishment from not doing what we would beg him to do. Really? Wow. Yeah, 90% of the cancer was dead. CBD oil, people, it really works.

It's working right now for my friend's mom. My friend's mom has stage four cancer in her brain. My friend's mom has stage four cancer in her brain. I allegedly got him some CBD oil. And he got it to his mom within less than two months. Her cancer had shrunk by 30%. She had been doing chemo. And they were saying that her immune system was so devastated by the chemo that the chemo was probably going to kill her quicker than the cancer was. And they had recommended her stopping chemo. and he was just in full desperation mode. My friend's real super straight edge.

He's just, you know, Mr. Republican American, doesn't, you know, thinks Obama's a Muslim, that kind of guy, and never would want to have anything to do with CBD oil or anything cannabis. I got it to him, and now his mom can sleep. She's eating. She sleeps at night. She doesn't have pain anymore. Her tumor shrinking. The doctors are astounded. Those stories you hear so many of them, it's almost like they seem like anecdotal fairy tales because until it's, it happens to someone you actually know and care about. And then you go and then you start getting angry. Like this is what these goddamn assholes that are making laws in this country and fighting against us, the lobbyists and the people that are working for the pharmaceutical companies that are actively trying to suppress this information. You are keeping one of the best ways to heal these people.

You're keeping it illegal. And it's a fucking horrible crime. And they won't even tell you about it, which is just atrocious. My dad is they're giving my brother the talk that my dad is is gonna die and it's it's terminal and you know all this stuff for you know weeks and weeks and weeks he's going to the doctor and finally my brother's like hey so you know what about you know medical marijuana is that something that and they're like oh yeah we can prescribe him maranol but we just can't. You know, there's no question that the cannabis or THC, whatever it is, cannabis helps fight cancer. But we can't.

We can't refer. You have to ask. We can't just offer it to you. And then they gave him the prescription for Marinol, which is like the government pharmaceutical form of the pill, which is probably way weaker than the CBD oil than we were giving him. Yeah. Not nearly as good. So, yeah, like we got the call. I got the call from my dad. form of the pill which was probably way weaker than the way we were giving him yeah not not nearly as good so yeah like we got the call i got the call from my dad or my brother that my dad had passed away um i think it was three weeks before the uh the melvin manoff fight and i flew home to um to florida to you know kind of with my brother and sister and figure out the situation what we

were going to do and my brother picked me up from the airport and we went to you know, kind of with my brother and sister and figure out the situation, what we were going to do. And my brother picked me up from the airport and we went to, you know, straight to the bar to, you know, have it out about my dad. And, um, when we got back to his house, my uncle had called and, you know, we just assumed that my uncle was calling to, you know, give us his, you know, sorry to, sorry about your dad. And my sister answers the phone, and my uncle is hysterical. And I guess my cousin Cody, who was 23, was very close with this huge fan of mine, had fallen off a balcony on their vacation and died the same night. And so it was a ton of stuff to deal with that last two weeks before my fight. And, again, I talked to vinny and uh you know he helped

me stay focused on what i needed to do to to handle business in that fight and uh you know vinny shorman can't thank him enough for that stuff that's gotta be unbelievably difficult to deal both of those things unbelievably difficult to deal with while you're trying to focus on especially fighting a guy like manhole yeah scary. You know, every post anybody tags me in is like, Moe and Manhoef's highlight reel. So it's like, fuck. It was tough. And it just drains you.

I come back, and I've got two weeks left before the fight, and I'm trying to stay focused. And, you know, I can run at a good clip, and I run six miles regularly. And I'd be like half a good clip and, you know, I run six miles, you know, regularly. And like I'd be like half a mile in and just be exhausted because all of this mental stuff just wears on you. And, you know, I had this internal battle of myself, you know, should I pull out of the fight? Should I not pull out of the fight?

And I talked to Vinny and I was like, you know, I just I don't know what to do. And he was like, he's just a dick. Actually, he was like, he was like, your dad and your cousin died. And I was like, yes. And he's like, and that's sad. And I'm like, yes. And he's like, and you're never going to see them again. And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm never going to see them again.

And he's like, and that's not fair. And I was like, yeah, motherfucker, it's not fair. And he's like, you know, he says all this shit. And then he's like, now what? And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like uh you know he says all this shit and then he's like now what and i was like what do you mean and he's like what are you gonna do now and i was like he's like are you gonna not ever fight again are you gonna not to carry your family are you gonna you know let this stop you from everything you've ever wanted to do and i was like no and he's like well then turn off that app and wait until after your fight handle your business you know whether you're religious or not at some level somewhere you think your your cousin and your father what would they want and it's like well i talked to

both of them about the fight they were both excited about the fight i knew what they were going to want so i just kind of turned off that emotion until after the fight and when i knocked out melvin there's like this there's this moment right after like the referee stops it i like fucking explode and there's like a Bellator posts the picture all the time. But at that moment was all of that emotion that I had turned off came back right at that moment. And after the fight, I was thinking about them and stuff. And it was really cool. Wow.

Wow. That's intense. Wow. That's an iconic photo, too. The photo of you right after you knocked him out that's a pretty intense photo yeah that was a crazy fight too man it was a big one it was a big one melvin is a wild motherfucker dude yeah win lose draw that fucking you're you're in for some chaos with that guy isn't it crazy those all those guys from that Mike's gym, Badr Hari, him, Gokhan, so many of

those guys are just fucking ferocious. Yeah, that's their style out of that gym. That's why we're all there. There it is right

there. Yeah, that was that moment right there. Well, we're running out of time, man, so let's end it with that. That's a fucking perfect picture to wrap

this podcast up with. That's intense with Melvin down behind you. You need that. You got that on your gym? Yeah. Is got that on your gym? Is that up on the wall? Yeah.

I got to put it up on the wall. That should fucking for sure be up at the yard. Yeah. The yard in downtown LA. Best place to train some Muay Thai in California if you're around. And if you're in San Diego, Glory 21 is this Friday night tomorrow. And next time you will be fighting is June? June 26 for Bellator.

And where is that at? I believe it's in Kansas City. Kansas City. All right, man. You can catch him. Change your Twitter name. Joe Schilling 187. I like it.

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