The Joe Rogan Experience - #651 - Jordan Gilbert (c9n0thing)

Episode Date: May 21, 2015

Jordan Gilbert is a professional gamer better known as "c9n0thing" on the internet. He is currently best known for playing Counter Strike: Global Offensive and can be seen streaming his gameplay at http://www.twitch.tv/n0thingTV

We are live, that's it. Hello, Jordan. How's it going, Joe? What's going on? Joseph. Professional video game player, you. What's up? Dude, you're living the dream. That's what every teenage boy who's sitting in front of his parents' television is,

you fucking loser, get some shit done with your life. That's actually how I pick up girls. I go on Tinder and I say, I'm living the dream. So they don't actually see that I say I play a professional game. I just say, I'm living the dream. Yeah, but it's like, what's your dream? The childhood dream. Everyone's like, well, if you're a boy, I guess, right? Well, when you first started playing video games,

was there any professional option? Well, kind of. There was these teams, Team 3D, that was the first big team in North America. I remember going to a local Fry's and buying a keyboard and seeing, like, one of their players' quotes on the box. Like, I use this keyboard because I'm going to be the fucking best with this keyboard. So I was like, awesome. Like, that was actually a super big part of my motivation.

Like, I want to be on a box. Keyboard box. Now, when you first started playing, like, how old were you? I think I was nine when my brother introduced me. I have two older brothers. My oldest brother was playing Counter-Strike, and, of course, I wasn't allowed to play, so I'm sitting there watching him play all day. You weren't allowed to play?

No, it was his computer. Oh, okay. So he would, like, shoot me out of his room, and then I would kind of, like, crawl on the floor, walk in, and, like, try to, like, watch him, like, get into his room and watch. And then when he would leave, he would go to school or something, and I would hop on his computer and I would play. And Counter-Strike is a weird one because it was first Half-Life. Half-Life, Team Deathmatch, yeah.

Yeah. And then nobody even talks about Half-Life. That's the engine. Yeah. Then it became Counter-Strike was the big game. So Deathmatch, when you're playing Deathmatch,atch counter-strike you're playing one-on-one or team versions of yeah the half-life engine but against other people that's what a lot of people that play counter-strike competitively use to like warm up deathmatch mode because you just

keep dying and respawning it's like a quake insta give or something you know you just keep restarting and just kill each other to kind of warm up your hands and whatnot, get them working well together. Do you have like a ritual or anything you do before you play? Well, I mean, it is muscle memory. It is calisthenics. At this point, though, like obviously if you're a golfer, you might not train as hard as you did when you wanted to make the tour,

but you still have to do maintenance stuff. So like when I hit a death match, I'd get maybe 100 kills with each gun, and then I just then obviously have team practice, which is a different set of coordinating strategies and stuff but for personally yeah i just try to make sure i'm still playing so if i ever feel off i could identify what's really off pretty quick and i'll just go hone in on that gun or that part of a map or whatever but uh yeah it's it's a mix of both right do you think that people don't respect how difficult it is to play competitive video games because yeah definitely i mean it's fucking really difficult like the the level of competence or the level of skill like if you've watched uh you can watch a lot of games online and that's like a big part of all this now which is really

fascinating is how many people watch live games or even with Quake, the big thing was watching demos. I love Quake, yeah. Yeah, people would watch demos of really good players. You do that too? Yeah. I think part of it, obviously, is people don't know what the fuck they're looking at from an outsider perspective. So, like, certain games I can understand. StarCraft or League of Legends

or Warcraft, you're looking at all these spells flying around. Yeah, that's ridiculous. And those action key moments normally happen over the course of 10 minutes or something, whereas in Counter-Strike or Quake, it's like, that guy just got that point, he's about to kill this guy, there's this 30 seconds left on the clock. Right. So I think that's actually more intuitively easy for a spectator to watch as a spectator sport, but you're right, yeah, a lot of people I don't think comprehend what you go through.

They're like, oh, this kid just plays all day for fun and doesn't think about what he's doing, he just happened to be good. Yeah, a lot of people I don't think comprehend what you go through. Oh, this kid just plays all day for fun and doesn't think about what he's doing. He just happens to be good. Yeah, it's always been fascinating to me how certain games get taken seriously. Like certain games garner respect. Like chess. If you are a really good chess player, like, oh, he's a sophisticated gentleman. He's a chess player.

Yeah. What do you do for a living? I play chess. Whoa, interesting. What do you do for a living? I play chess. Whoa, interesting. What do you do for a living? Oh, I play video games. Oh, you fucking dork. I play Counter-Strike, right?

I've progressed over that. I play Counter-Strike. What the fuck is Counter-Strike? Yeah, well, I do this. Well, that's extra geeky because you're naming the video game. Well, you have to because when you say play video games, it's like saying you play pro sports to me, you know? Right, right, right. That's true.

So I try to make that distinction to do justice to my my profession or whatever so in the future people start questioning more about what i do now what level is the i mean obviously there's half-life that came out and then was the game engine continually upgraded yeah like i started playing in like beta version so beta 5.2 beta is basically before the game is full released right you don't know what a beta is there's like alphas and beta right and then the full release so i played beta before it was even a game a full version in stores and uh yeah all the weapons are different and then 1.0 1.1 1.3 the longest lasting version was 1.6 which i went pro in back in like two i went pro in 2008, but it went. How do you go pro?

Do you have to join a league or you have to pay for anything, sign up for stuff? Well, there is a process. It's not a conventional one like sports. You don't go to like a high school team and a college team. There's no coaches in eSports. Well, recently there are. There's coaches? Recently, and we'll get into that.

But like, you know how, obviously, if you're going to play in NHL, you try to like play for a college team or you go to juniors or a semi-pro AHL. In this case, there's, like, I play in a league called ESEA. They have the Open Division Intermediate Main Premier Invite. If you're an invite, you're really the only people that have a chance that can get paid to play by companies. So when I say I went pro back in 2008, it's because I joined up a contract with an organization called evil geniuses which is like my agency for an actor and they had sponsored Intel new egg a bunch of peripheral companies for my gear and they pay me to fly to the tournaments and I market them like I'm an ass car car I am their logos

all of them I tell people why their gear is good etc. Okay. So now back to the Counter-Strike, the Half-Life engine. Yeah. So is there several versions of it that they've come up with? Yep. Like what version are you on now? So now it's the most recent called Global Offensive. And is this a new version of Counter-Strike itself? There's not a new version of Half-Life, right?

Nope. They came out with Half-Life 2 at one point, but that was the source engine so counter-strike source came out it was on that engine so folks who don't know what the fuck we're talking about this is what that means like video game engines they take the engine that's the physics everything that controls the 3d geometry the video like the way it looks the graphics and then they take that engine and then they can port it over to other games and they can develop games based on that engine and then they can port it over to other games and they can develop games based on that engine. So it cuts a lot of the development process out because a big part of the development

process out is coming up with a video game engine. Yep. So yeah, I think Half-Life 2, I don't know when it exactly came out, if it was like 2004 or 5. That's kind of old, right? Yeah, that was that. 10 years ago so i like i said i went pro encounter 1.6 and that was like everyone loved it it was like the original quake like the

registration of like my bullet shooting when i hit a guy like it it worked it hit him when he shot him in the head like some of these new versions of the counter-strikes that were coming out it was almost too easy like you would shoot a bullet like right here because the guy was moving weird it would still register as a headshot I was that something was up with the engine and It it was like they were trying to up the graphics and the feel and to make it look more realistic But that took away from I guess how fast the the computer talked to the to the server Mm-hmm, you know So then there was a discrepancy between like when I shot when it actually hit the person

And obviously that's why like I can't when I practice I can't play against Europeans because of internet lag, right? Right. So that's why you would play on a LAN because that's the fastest interaction between the server and the computer. Yeah, if you've played online with an internet lag and you get used to it and then you play without the lag, it's like you go to paradise. Yeah, it's like having to wait on your baseball bat or something yeah it's but some guys got really good at it like some guys get super good at timing their own fuck-up their own lag yes and bullshit though cuz then they're harder to hit yes some of them are just glitching around they disappear so that's annoying so at our

level we're really like prima donna's about like what server location what we plan because my teammates are spread around the country Right I'll play on like a Denver server and you have to make sure that your ping is very low Right like the ping to the server. Yeah, I mean what's what's a good ping these days well Playing in North playing in North America for counter-strike player like 40 to 50 is like what we play on But like if I were to play in a southern and out Los Angeles server from San Diego I get 15 because I'm closer but as a team since we're all spread out We're in like Toronto and all this stuff across the country we play centralized and that's a millisecond So it'd be like 15 milliseconds

I guess so I do that register in your head. Do you notice the difference between 15 and 40? Oh, yeah Well, I could feel it. It's really just like the Gun itself. I could feel it's like a very small like a lot of people don't notice the difference for the first couple years They probably play the game But once you start realizing the different action of the recoil of the guns you could feel it between each bullet This is super nerdy. Yeah, I know you played feel it between each bullet. This is super nerdy. Yeah, I know you played Quake. We'll talk about that later.

So my question is like, how do you decide what game to become super adept at? Because it seems like there's a lot of them now. How do you decide what sport you become adept at? But I mean, games have a life where people won't play them anymore. It gets to a point. Try playing Quake

1 today. Well, that's what happened with Counter-Strike 1.6, kind of what I was kind of talking about Oh, it's a new version came out and because 1.6 is getting stagnant like that Since the developer doesn't give back to the game much and there isn't new shit coming out people are like well This gets old because they're not pro they're playing for the fun of it That's the people that helped me make this my job is the 80 or 90 percent of the community who isn't pro who plays and is my viewership is the people i talk to for my sponsors etc right so that was going downhill out at the end of counter-strike and other games like league of legends which is not a first person shooter and uh dota these are like five or five strategy spells and like that's what people yeah

that's when they lose me yeah fucking spells and so. And so, yeah, that's how I played Counter-Strike. I just loved the intuitive finesse you could bring to the game. It wasn't just like chess. It was more of like a chess to tennis or whatever you want to say. I could actually, I could just out-skill someone simply. Even if they do a crazy strategy, I'm just going to stand there and say, well, I'll shoot you every time, even if you think you're smarter. Just your hand-eye coordination and your understanding of where the mouse is going to move the cursor and i find a lot of people who play counter-strike were more physically fit people like there's an archetype to different

pro gamers you a lot of people think everyone's a fat pimply guy well i notice a lot of counter-strike players like myself grew up playing sports i played ice hockey all my youth a lot of my teammates are team athletes um or just who's it dorks like starcraft i know i'm gonna get a bunch of my teammates are team athletes or just... Who are the dorks? Like StarCraft? I know, I'm going to get a bunch of crap for calling them dorks. World of Warcraft? Yeah, exactly. Those are the dorks, right?

And the thing is, I have friends in those realms too, right? So there are those random people. You got into Quake yourself, right? There's all sorts of different people who get into games. But generally, yeah, it's like chess. StarCraft is more a cerebral game. You're kind of premeditating a lot of your decisions, which you are in Counter-Strike 2, but in a

much more strategic way. You could probably plug in any mouse and play Starcraft. Whereas when my sponsor tries to give me a new mouse, I resist a lot because that's like, I don't know, a different baseball glove or a different curve on my ice hockey stick or a different set of irons as a golfer.

It really throws me off for a little bit. Are they all laser mice now? Yeah, but some obstacles work well if the surface is one color. If the surface is multicolored on a mouse, it actually makes tracking harder. Like these people have these crazy designs in their mouse pad. That's actually detrimental to the tracking and stuff. Really? Yeah.

But no one uses a ball anymore. No, no. But I did start on a ball. You open that shit up and blow it out. Yeah, remember, I used to have Q-tips with alcohol. I used to have to clean the little rollers because they would gunk up with sweat and funk. Oh, Joe was a gamer. He was addicted to that thing.

And I have a question. If you're so good at Counter-Strike, can you pick up most first-person shooters and be really good at it? On PC, yeah. On PC. So you can go into Grand Theft Auto right now and just kill everybody. Well, yeah, that's not really competitive. But, yeah, exactly. I'd probably do that.

Quake. I used to play Quake all the time. Rocket Arena 3, Quake 3. So you just have, like, really good understanding of what movement of your hand corresponds to the movement on the screen. You get kind of a feel of it. Yeah, just good dexterity. Most first-person shooters are just, like you said, I i heard you talking about quake and it's really just intuitive like you play up first and you're like oh i have to look with my mouse hand and this yeah after a while it's

like an extension of your hands i don't think i do a lot of actions per minute that i don't even comprehend because i'm reacting visually not mentally yeah there was there's like gun switches and moves that you would do that literally would come like tying your shoes. Yeah, and then when you get better and you start playing better players, you manipulate those little things. That's what we call the meta game. It's things that like it changes constantly because it's all based on intuition. Right. That's why it's so weird when you switch from game to game.

That was why I had that question because like if you got super into Counter-Strike and then maybe... Have you seen the teaser for the new Doom? Oh, no. Play it. Play it, Jamie. There's a new Doom. I worship at the altar of John Carmack.

He's the baddest motherfucker ever when it comes to this shit. This new Doom, the graphics are just so ridiculous. It's just like fucking Christ. It's been a while, right? Yeah, it's been a while. I mean, he's been doing a bunch of different kind of video games as well. But remember when the, here, let's play it real quick and we'll show you this.

Because this is really crazy. It'll be to the left of you, to the right of you as well, rather. We just play it on that then. It doesn't matter. Go full screen, Jamie. Peggy 18. Look at this. That's all you get. Are you serious? That's it? That's it.

That's all you get. June 14th. They're going to show gameplay. We'll play it one more time. Yeah, June 14th. You get to see the actual full thing being played, I guess. What are you doing? You switching things on? Pull that again. Can't hear it.

Yeah, we need... Welcome to hell. That's dope. That's all I need. Cue the Pantera. But when you would play that, if you play that game and you got used to that physics, like, I remember going from Quake to Unreal. It would, like, screw you up a little.

Even though it was awesome, it was, like, it moved just a little different. The mouse cursor moved a little different. And, you know, you get your settings and you try to, like, fidget with it and try to get it to a place where you kind of understand what was happening intuitively. So that, yeah, that's always a, we always, right when we get a new game that's a first-person shooter, you go in and see how the game takes your sensitivity, if it's directly from your mouse or from Windows. So that's called raw input. So some games have raw input where it takes your mouse sensitivity,

and I can go in and dial it basically into how my Counter-Strike feels. Some don't. So some you have to go in and dial it basically into how my Counter-Strike feels. Some don't. So some you have to go in, and they have their own in-game sensitivity, and you have to slide the notch weird, and it's got its own extrapolation of what a default sense is, and every time you move one notch, it's 1.25, the original, versus another day. And then there's mouse acceleration, which is fucking weird. Yeah, turn that off, obviously. The faster, but some that off, obviously.

The faster, but some guys really loved it. Like, the faster you move the hand, it corresponded to a different type of movement with the mouse. Whereas, like, under normal circumstances, you move left, you move right, and the cursor moves left or right. And it's independent on whether or not you move fast. But if you move fast with mouse acceleration, it moves way faster on screen. Yeah, it's got that extra spin to the end it's like it's almost like it's a gyroscope or something like that or it's like it's got some momentum to it yeah when when uh if you notice so with first person shooters a lot of people set their arm differently on the desk so people some people play with wrists so they're called wrist players so this is like the hand called wrist player with a wrist aimer right so wrist aimer

has their wrist kind of set down and when they're when they're moving they have women wrist tamer wrist aimer So wrist aimer to mumble. Okay. Yeah wrist aimer and then I'm more of an elbow So my elbow is my hinge. So I have more control. So I use a lower sensitivity, right? Oh, okay. So you can wipe faster swipe larger swipes. Hmm. Someone playing with the wrist is doing this So these are higher sensitivity. Some of those people don't mind using a little Excel because they can do these little flick moves and kind of just really get into the groove with that, and it's smaller, whereas I have bigger motions that make me more comfortable. So if I have a little bit of Excel, I want it to be as true as possible to my actual hand

because I'm doing these bigger movements. Do you have a large mouse pad as well? Yeah, but I actually have two on top of each other. I'm one of the few people who uses, like, a hard mouse pad versus just cloth. So I like the plastic feel. And I have to, like, replace it, like, every three months because I grind it down. So, like, my sponsors are, like, sending me. Grind it down. How many hours do you play in a day, son?

Do you get outside? Do you know about vitamin D? Yeah, that's it. I got a little tight. I live in San Diego, man. You know I'm outside. There you go. Like, how many hours do you have to play a day to stay fit?

Well, when we're... When I say fit, in the loosest possible... I mean, but it is a sort of fitness. I do my push-ups, right? But it is a sort of, you know, in shape for the game. Calisthenics, just like, yeah, when I take a vacation, I come back, I'm like, whoa, this looks weird for a second. Really?

Yeah, for a couple weeks even, I just come back. But I'll get into it quick. If we have a tournament coming up, since it's very team-centric, like we dry run, we premeditate a dozen strategies on the counter-terrorist and on the terror side. Like you really try to memorize what you and your teammates are going to do. So if something is thrown a wrench into your gears, you have to react on the fly somewhat within a certain scale of thought. So when I play for a tournament, that's like we get on at 3 p.m we end at 11 yeah so whoa jesus christ what about food what about water oh yeah well bathroom breaks what do you guys do but you have a bucket this is why i'll expel the archetype no like for instance when we do these boot camps three out of

five of us at least wake up and go to the gym we wake up go to gym shower we play on our own like deathmatch chill eat and then like take that like hour before they make sure when you play in your own when you're saying you play on your own deathmatch what does that mean you connect to a public server maybe under an alias so people don't give a shit because everyone knows our names in the game so we'll like go into deathmatch kind of hidden and we'll just like you just kill respond kill respond death matches in like a real mode like we don't care about our stats we're just just having fun we might like sometimes i purposely look away from a doorway so when some guy comes through and i

practice a 90 degree turn and hitting him in the head so i just constantly have my my back to a guy so when he comes i can hear him and i flick around and that's the thing that a lot of people don't know about video games is that you can hear in three dimensions too Like if something's coming back behind you back to your right you can actually hear it back into your right which is really spooky Yeah, yeah, we use sound all the time to manipulate things or we make it seem like they didn't hear like we don't know They're behind us all run out this doorway, and I know guys trailing me So when I run to the left my teammates on the right waiting for him to come shoot me in the left So like we manipulate sound all the time, so teammate's on the right waiting for him to come shoot me on the left. So we manipulate sound all the time. So yeah, it's a huge part of it.

So are you guys, when you plan out your strategies, do you have a video chat where you go over these strategies in physical form? Do you write it out? So obviously, first of all, sometimes when we boot camp, we're all in the same location. So if we have a big tournament in Stockholm, we go to Stockholm ten days in advance and we go to that's the best teams in Counter-strike are in Europe That's just where they are our team is never my team is I've won a couple world championships in the old game But I've never been a world champ in a new game yet Like we because it's a team game and like we get we'll get to semis or something

But those guys are the shit and I'm all friends all them but that point aside Wonder why Europe wait what was our question? You were talking about Jesus. What was the original question? Getting together strategy. Oh sure. So how we go strategy? so yeah, so on offense you dry run in a server we all connect to the same private server and we just Basically, we're like, okay.'re going to take this bomb site what number of ways can we do it if we have a full economy meaning do we have every grenade in our

arsenal do we have no grenades do we have to dry walk in we say dry when we have nothing to really assist us no smoke grenades no flash so we say hey we're gonna three dry walk into this bomb site you two watch our flank so that means they're not gonna throw anything like right so like if we're gonna hit this room right here and we're gonna come in and kill joe rogan if we wanted to come in here we'd throw a flashbang through that door right and then we'd smoke off the kitchen right here so no one in the kitchen has vision on the people coming through that doorway and then you know we expect the only angles they could hold are under that tv and behind where uh yeah where he's sitting back here jamie jamie i had his name. I wanted to say Riley for some reason.

Jamie. He's going to be Riley from now on. Yeah, exactly. Riley. Sorry, Riley. Bad with names, right? So you would plan out all of them. But if we have no grenades, obviously,

we're coming into Joe's studio dry, right? No lube. So these strategies are based upon the G the geometry of the room yes time type of the map how fast if we have things called fakes where we'll throw everything in here and make it look like we're coming to kill you and all said the three of us are taking your teammates out who we're catching on the rotation because we're saying when we throw all the shit in this room Joe's gonna say guys they're coming in they're coming in which is gonna cause your guys

watching the outback to come towards you and help you and then we're gonna We're gonna jump them in the backyard and so these strategies are all planned out in advance. You have names for them Yeah, so we'll call it like Sonic or Gatorade door And a take away you can hear each other, but you can't hear them Yeah, we connect to a third party software like mumble or team speak. It's kind of like Skype, but you know It's like a walkie-talkie. And so you will talk to each other while you're playing the game, like, look out, he's behind you. Does anybody hack into your line and they can, like, find out what you're saying? Back in the day, that was kind of like a thing that would happen between friends. Like, you're playing, you do, we call them 10-mans, where you pick two captains and everyone throws their name

in a hat and you play random five versus five teams. And you're all on the same voice server. Well, one guy will, you can clone the program and open it again? He'll come in and join your channel wise play and so I'll have like one year and what you guys are doing and that's like A scummy thing for each other dirty person, but when we're playing at a pro level it can't happen because they're isolated Now with online gaming one of the things that was a real problem with quake was bots Online gaming, one of the things that was a real problem with Quake was bots. Was people that would have aiming bots. Oh, yeah.

Where they couldn't miss. And you would get on a server and some guy would be shooting guys that were, like, jumping through the air. Like, shooting you in midair. Couldn't miss. Yep. And it would kill everybody. Do they have that with Counter-Strike? Yep, there's wallhack and aimbot.

So, wallhack is just, obviously, transparent walls. Oh. You can just see everything. Those guys are a piece of shit. And aimbot, and they're all a piece of shit, right? So we've all, like, I'd say a majority of pros have messed around with it for fun with their friends. Like, yo, guys, let's go cheat versus each other and see how gnarly it is.

And, like, we used to do that back in the old versions. In the new game, you can't even screw around with it because they have such a crazy anti-cheat, which is what I was just going to say. Now it's really hard to do that. You to literally it's like actually a big it's a multi-million dollar industry cheating in competitive games it's not like a huge huge industry but people sell like they update it every time the game developer uh creates a better like firewall or whatever for the cheats they like go in look at the code make it find a way around it to do their aim by yeah, Jesus Christ

Yeah, but obviously at pro level I don't know cheaters. Oh That's actually wrong But last year there was the first ever time at a pro level Where people found a way to cheat and the guy got banned for life from tournaments for life for life I'm like because he cheated at like a LAN qual LAN qualifier, supposedly. LAN, local area network. Yeah. Where we're all, they were, like, it's a French player. And he literally got caught.

It's, like, the smallest cheat ever found. They found a way to, like, it's, like, 50 kilobytes. And they inserted it. And, like, it was, like, a trigger bot. So it wasn't a full-time aim bot. So he could press a button and it would snap to the nearest enemy. So even if they were behind a wall. So he could be chilling and just press this button and it would, like, snap to the wall.

And you knew a guy was about to come around that corridor or something. It was super low key, but super scummy. How'd they catch him? I forget the series of events, but there was some like red flag on his account. And then like the people have the ability to like go like zoom in and narrow their scope onto one account and like scan their system. And they did that and they found some shady traces of cheating, and then he admitted it. And he's like, I'm sorry, guys, I can't lie anymore.

Wow, and so now he's done for the rest of his life. What if he comes back with a different name? Well, I mean, we'd see his face. We know what he looks like. What if he gets plastic surgery? That's it, then, baby. He jitters it up. He grows a big beard or something.

The plastic surgery, yeah, right? Plastic surgery's pretty epic these days. Grows a big beard or something. The plastic surgery, yeah, right? Plastic surgery is pretty epic. Couldn't a guy just apologize? That's what he did formally, but the thing is it's pretty scummy. That's like someone, it's not only roiding, that would be like having jet packs on your feet playing football. And almost like poisoning the opponent. Yeah, it's not just roiding.

It's like God power. This is like Nancy Kerrigan. You remember Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding? Where Tonya Harding hired someone to whack Nancy Kerrigan in the legs? Next level scumbag. That's next level shit. So there's very few ways

that a person could cheat in the professional realm. There's things like say you have a little mini-map, a radar. You could make it so all the other team shows up on their radar, too. Oh, so you could find out where you're... So when you're playing, you know where your guys are at any given moment. Yeah, exactly. And you could make a hack so that other people...

They're just little dots, right, moving around the rotating map, which are your teammates. You could make it so all ten people in the game show up, or whoever in the area. But if you try to do that professionally, you'd get banned for life. Oh, yeah. Like, you might be able to have a button

that toggles it on and off, and, like, if no admin is watching you. But when you play the tournaments, you have, like, people walking behind you. That's so crazy. Now, what kind of money is involved in this now? So, which facet of it, right? What can, like, okay,

give me the top of the food chain first. Like, what's the top of the food chain video gamer make per year? Well, so I play counter-strike right so remember League of Legends counter-strike League of Legends is huge right now League of Legends League of Legends because the game developer themselves. I don't even know what that is It's like a superhero game. It's yeah five or five. It's like it's like dota I don't know if you've heard of dota either. It's five or five overview You you go from one end of the corner of the map through three different lanes,

and yeah, spells and different heroes. I'm only interested in first-person stuff. Yeah, so... That's way more exciting, that overhead view shit. Well, regardless, those people... That's, like you said, I've always been a first-person shooter. But yeah, those games, their developer was the first one to really get involved with the competitive community and give a bunch of prize money back, like $10 million tournaments.

Like, insane. So, like, some of these players in the past couple years have made, like, over a million dollars each because of those tournaments. Wow. But if you're talking, like, the average salary of a League of Legends player, they're all making a couple hundred grand a year. Six figures. No shit. So that's for the top guys. Yeah, so, like, for me and my teammates, we can all make six-figure salaries.

See, your parents have got to fucking respect that, right? At a certain point in time, you know, you go, Mom, do you know what a lawyer makes? Okay, I make that. So go tell your fucking friends I'm a lawyer. Get off my back. Yeah, I had cool-ass parents, luckily. Like, my dad was kind of the reality check, but in a positive way. Like, you realize that this is kind of a volatile career.

You're probably going to not, this might not apply to anything after you've done competing. Luckily for me, I've done a lot of little things that I kind of have some connections, but yeah. After you're done competing, assuming you're going to be done competing. Yeah, assuming you're going to be done, not just addicted to life. But that's the thing is, yeah, you don't know what it's going to be. But my mom was always like, I credit why I went pro to kind of her being cool with me. Like she would drive into Las Vegas from San Diego, Arizona, Northern California, because she saw how into it I was.

And I was like, and I included her on it. And I think that was a big thing for any of you out there who want to like pursue gaming. You can't just like fucking ignore everything in your life and get bad grades and do all this shit in school. You have to like balance stuff, right? So like I was kind of like a nerd in that sense at a young age I played ice hockey came home did my schoolwork played counter-strike the rest of the night And I told my mom every night who I'm playing with what team what level I'm at and so when I finally said hey mom I can go to this tournament. I'm old enough because they had an age limit like it'd be 15 I was like I really want to go and so she started driving me and like

Pretty soon after I was making a name for myself on the West coast, like there's this little kid sounds like a girl. He's fucking fucking everybody up. It's like little munchkin and he's just, he's insane at the game individually, but obviously you need to be a good team player. So everyone kind of spread my name, but my mom was, yeah, right there driving me to these lands. I would play, we'd get there at like 10 AM in Irvine or something. And she would be knitting and hanging out, go see a movie, come back, pick me up at 2 a.m., drive me home to San Diego. That's so crazy. Now, like StarCraft is still a huge game. StarCraft's awesome.

Is that the biggest game? What's the biggest game? Right now it's probably first League of Legends, then Dota and Counter-Strike, us three. Wow. So StarTrek is – Kind of hit a plateau. It did.

2012. What was that about? I think... People got bored? Yeah, I don't know that exactly why. Just Twitch really blew it up. So Twitch is streaming, right? Like you stream.

Twitch blew it up because... So Twitch is a website where people stream videos. Yeah, I don't know... So you watch the video games being played. It's like webcam models for gamers where these guys are making thousands and thousands of dollars an hour just for playing video games. So that's the other facet. Just playing it on Twitch?

And you get tips and donations and all that shit. Tips? You get to show your ass? Yeah, exactly. How's that work? In some cases, I might. Do you squirt? On stream? There's no squirting, man. It's been proven. It's pee. Okay, so let me circle around all the things you just said. Okay, pee first.

Are you billion squirting or not? Squirting is like the sexual chemtrails. That's what it is. It's like the people that believe in it, they won't let it go. Pheromone's real? It's real. No, it's pee. It's pee.

It's been proven by scientists. I'm pissing my pants right now. It never existed until a few years ago. Are you attracted to me, Brian? This is all wrong. All these years, all these years, women for all these years were holding in their pee, and then someone told them they don't have to anymore, and they started just peeing all over guys and calling it squirting.

That was the baby boom right there. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what's going on. It's kind of the same thing. Dude, that shit's funny, though. Yeah. On that note, people do a lot of crazy shit for cameras. I started becoming somewhat of a different person when I first started streaming because the chat itself is like a comedian,

right? You get up there, you get high off the people's energy of interacting with you. So while you're playing, do you have a separate monitor that has the chat? I have two monitors, two webcams. Two monitors? A studio mic like this one hanging above me. A studio mic while you're playing video games? That's because, like I said, I have a high voice. I need to

not pierce people's ears. You were saying that before the show. You were saying your voice is so high that if you go, what the fuck? Yeah, like I said, I have a high voice. I need to, like, not pierce people's ears. You were saying that before the show. You were saying your voice is so high that if you go, What the fuck? Yeah, like I need to have this mic, otherwise it'd freak people out. So I don't know how we got to Twitch, but, yeah, Twitch is huge. They got bought by Amazon for $970 million. What the fuck, Amazon?

What are you doing with your money? Yeah. No, it's because it's got... So the League of Legends finals last year had more viewership, I think, than the NHL Stanley Cup and the Rose Bowl combined.

What? It's the future, Joe. Hold on. It's the future. What is the future? And the reason the ad value is so overwhelmingly valuable is because the interaction,

right? Everyone's chatting. They're talking directly to it. When you're on a couch watching a TV, you're like, oh, this commercial's fucking dumb, or oh, cool, Super Bowl commercial. On Twitch, you're like, wow, look at this fucking clown in the commercial.

Oh, that's awesome, or that's a cool product, or whatever, but you're typing. So the engagement is there. The stats are there. Literally, on my channel, I have one button I click, and I have my demographic, what countries watch me, how many hours they watch. I have all the stats on my page that I can export to my sponsors or whoever supports my page.

Whoa, okay. Let's go to this fucking website. We have to investigate. Check out one of our past ones. We do. I'm with Kim all the time. Well, let's watch some real players. I want to see some real players.

No disrespect, Brian. But I'd like to see guys actually know what the fuck they're doing. When you're playing this and you're doing this like what's an average viewer like how many how many viewers average do you get? I get like four to five thousand concurrent at a time Four or five thousand is normal my teammate has pride. I have a teammate who streams a lot more to me He gets like ten to fifteen thousand. Okay. Let's watch your game. Let's watch counter-strike So this is all the different games that are available you you can watch? Yeah, you can actually watch poker and music now. Hold on a second.

You can watch poker? Guys play poker? Yeah. From their home. So you watch people play video... Play live tournaments. Live video tournaments? Or... Yeah, so when my buddy Griffin's actually huge at poker. My buddy, Shaguar is his name. He used to be a pro Counter-Strike player. He's up like 6 million in poker.

Click on one of these and let's see what the fuck goes on. Look how many viewers are there. This guy's from Poland actually, I might have been pulling a while ago. Is this live right now? Yeah, it's 33,000 views. Jesus Christ. What's 27 million? That's his overall viewership. Fucking Christ.

And so this guy is, this is counter-strike. Boy, the graphics are crude. So it's, yeah, it's uh, So that's an AK-47. Hold on, crank his volume up. What is he saying? So this is two Polish teams. He's speaking Polish.

This guy's actually Polish. I've met him when I was in a tournament in Poland. Really? The team on the right, Virtus.pro, is, like, the best team in Poland. They're playing Gamers 2 for an online league. So I guess the graphics are not that important because this seems really dated order Yeah, yeah, order and counter strikes like compared to the old version of counter-strike This is like a big upgrade so really that's been the thing with that's actually kind of made it cool

Is that because the obviously the craze of the graphics and the physics the gameplay itself is less true Like you remember playing quake how that one right like if quake was super modernized I have a feeling that the integrity of the physics would go downhill. Yeah, well, that was one of the things that people didn't like about the newer games is that the physics changed, like Quake 2 changed, and then Quake 3 became more like Quake 2. So you see the chat on the right, everyone's going nuts.

A lot of people like, or Quake 3 rather became more like Quake 1. Yeah, because everyone brings their feedback, like, oh, Quake 2 did this, I like Quake 1. Yeah, because everyone brings their feedback. Like, oh, Quake 2 did this. I don't like it. Well, it was slower. The thing about Quake 2 is like the movement was slower. But the graphics were better.

But then Quake 3 was like sort of the best. Jamie, did you find one of the hot chicks playing Counter-Strike? Yeah. That's the new thing is the cam girls are now becoming gamer girls. In their free time, right? Yeah. Really? So that's what I've been training Kim Condom to do and a couple other girls is to play games.

You're ruining the movement, Brian. There's all these girls who are like, we've got to stop showing our cleavage and be taken seriously. And I'm like, no, show your cleavage. You'll make money.

Yes. How is he ruining the movement then? No, I was joking because he was like, pull up one of these cam girls. Pull one of these up, Jamie. Okay, so she's cool. She gets shit a lot, this girl.

She's from Canada. The Kitty Plays. So she gets shit a lot because she spends a lot of time interacting and not playing. Like this. Yeah, so she's sitting there chatting. She's an attention whore. No offense, but yeah, right? So I've met her.

She's a cool person. She just likes attention. But she knows, she probably makes, I don't know what she makes. This is me just bullshitting, but she makes makes 10 to 20 grand a month. Yeah, you know Hold the fuck on this girl makes 10 to 20 glitz list and what does she has to say Jamie? If anyone watching Joe Rogan stream right now, can you go in Kitty's chat and say something there it is I knew they would So we can get a Joe Rogan spam in the chat probably just by saying this

I'm sure we can so shut to you such cute. There it is powerful Joe So that's why I kind of gets addictive you see like I start streaming and people would be like so if you scroll down I'll text her. ...on the page. Can you scroll below her? Do you know her? Oh. Jamie?

Do you text her like you know her as a human being? Could you scroll down and show, like, where it says you can tip? So, right? If you keep going down, it'll say, like, donate somewhere. Contribute. See, so right there, if you click contribute... Click here to make a donation. Any donation of $3 or more will pop up as a fan letter on the stream so what people do is they donate $100 to say hey kitty

Hope you have a great day or five dollars or three dollars or you have a minimum right scroll back so we can see the Chat the chat Joe go see Joe Rogan. They're going off. Hey Jordan Joe Rogan see everyone's going off Joe off joe joe i love this shit what's cool joe pull on it was she was she was she saying and people can subscribe to you kind of like you know uh and you can have like five dollars a subscription and if you have like a shitload of subscribers every month that just can't hear both of you guys at the same time don't turn her off then so we can't hear it what are you saying so you can subscribe to channels, right? That's one of the things that you can do. Like her subscription is

$5 to subscribe to her channel. And so every month, that subscription renews. So she has like 10,000 people or whatever. That's $50,000 a month. She makes $50,000 a month. I mean, not her.

You also split the sum with the website. So some people get a better deal, but a lot get $50,000. She's trying to figure out what's going on. Go back to her. That's me. Olive Garden. Oh, yeah. Let's get an Olive Garden spam going on.

You guys need to tell Kitty to do the flashbang dance. I don't think he's looking at... to tell Kitty to do the flashbang dance. Tell him Jordan says do the flashbang dance. So me and her had a dance off one land, so I'm going to try to get her to do this dance. Don't. Mr. Redman. Why am I on it? You're going to get a strongly worded message. Who's going to get a strongly worded message from me on Twitter.

You're going to get a strongly worded message? Who's going to get a strongly worded message? Me or you? Hi. Hi. We're just explaining to this lovely young lady that we're just trying to figure things out. What is that? We can't see that.

All right. Let's leave her and go to someone who's actually playing a game. No offense, young lady. But it's really cool how this... That's fascinating. And what's interesting is that a lot of people are using their Xboxes to watch Netflix and stuff like that, and Twitch is now on Xboxes, PlayStations. It's on Roku now.

So people are watching that as TV. i'll go home at the end of the night not turn on nbc or abc i'll just watch somebody play counter-strike fall asleep because it's it's it's i like watching video games and one of the cool things is like this you even have coaches now like in in these professional things and these are guys that like to watch video games who's funny which soda poppin makes Yeah, this guy so he's kind of like a he's just not competitive at all He just jokes around but he makes so much money and what is he playing? What can we work after thing right now?

So war the war that's this is the game that Duncan had to throw away three different times He had a deleted he broke it He he like took the discs and snapped them in half and then went out and bought new ones. I'm done, man. Click. See, there's three different ways these people make money, right? There's the subservice, the subscription. Right.

Ad revenue. So he's got 18,000 viewers. He probably makes like $100 an hour on that. And then he has donations or whatever. So this guy in particular had a couple crazy fans from the Middle East, like Prince dudes, that gave him like 50 grand each. What? 35 grand. I had one guy from Abu Dhabi give me 10 grand one time on my Twitter.

To do what? Just to... Did you have to show your dick? Yeah, exactly, right? And we had a private myfreecams.com slash Jordan right now. No, he literally was just like, he liked the Counter-Strike scene. He gave a Polish Counter-Strike player 30 grand. He gave one of my teammates 20 grand. Were you mad that you only got 10?

Yeah, I was totally pissed. I was like, yo, what the fuck? What the fuck, man? Dude, when someone gives you that money, though, you don't really know what to say, right? Joe, it's time for you to get back into Quake, Joe. No, it's definitely not. I heard about the addictive. Yeah, I have addiction issues.

I've avoided them with drugs for the most part, although some would disagree. But I do have them hardcore with games to the point where I avoid games. But watching this, this is a totally different animal. These guys are making money. I can't believe you have a subscription link there. And you click on that and you can give this cat five bucks a month. Shout out to Soda Poppin'.

I flew out of home. Jesus Christ, he's got 93 million fucking views on his channel. Oh, yeah. And 18,000 people watching right now.

That's incredible. Yeah. I was actually teaching a kid who, he's only 10 years old that I'm friends with. You're friends with 10-year-olds?

Yeah. Questionable. Well, no, they're the same age mentally. He wants to grow up to be you. Like, that's what he wants well no they're the same age mentally he wants to grow up to be you like that's what he wants to do so like

so I was teaching him how to be a Twitch host and like me and Jamie would play Grand Theft Auto with him and he would practice you know talking

and stuff like that and it's amazing that this is now a job that kid pulled us up UFC, Fear Factor he pulled us up on there was an image

he pulled up on the screen What's that show that you did a scene in with David Spade? I watched that Was it called just shoot me yeah, I did an episode of that I watched just an episode This is hilarious hey fella, this is good for this guy though, so he's making money What's going on for this guy though so he's making money and he's gonna have to show his tits. He's confused probably he's like what's going on. Well who is someone else pulling that up in front of him? No it's him. It's him. Dude let's just do this all day and go to people's room and freak them out.

So this guy right now is playing this game. Give us some volume so I can hear how this is going on. He's not talking? Let's do it. Okay he's saying let's do it. So this game you can kind of like lounge. Fear factor! That's where I know him! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! He got a cow testicles once, it was disgusting, and he loved it. That's where I know him from! Fucking fear factor! I watched that when I was like 12.

I'm 15 now! So he got a fucking cow testicles, man. Oh shit. Fear factor I watched that when I was like 12 Okay, so this guy is playing these games and he's just talking I guess and that's why people like him Yeah, I mean you just it's like it's like any personality right like the people like you've had Phil DeFranco anything Yes on YouTube so like people follow someone and they want to know him. Like right now I'm doing this podcast. Right. People enjoy to just hear behind the story. So for him, sometimes he'll sit there.

He does every Saturday night, he does a 24-hour stream. All day he plays. 24 hours? Every Saturday. Does he jerk off? He probably does prior and after. I would say that's stamina. Does anybody ever jerk off on screen?

If they do, do they take you off of Twitch? Dude, yes and yes. Yes and yes? Yes and yes. It's happened where's stamina. Does anybody ever jerk off on screen? If they do, do they take you off of Twitch? No. Dude, yes and yes. Yes and yes? Yes and yes. It's happened where some guys... You got in trouble? Yeah, I've gotten in trouble a couple of times.

I was playing Grand Theft Auto when a girl came over and she just started taking off her top and stuff like that and I forgot that it was Twitching. Because on Xbox Live, you could be Twitching and you totally forget it's on and then you fall asleep and you wake up the next day and your camera's still on. Oh, right. People have been watching you sleep like creepers. Yeah, I've done that a few times also. Creepers.

But I play a different way. I just go in Grand Theft Auto, kill hookers, and try to take pictures of their underwear. Sounds like a great Wednesday night. Have you seen the fucking complaints that people said that there's a hack in Grand Theft Auto where you could verbally rape someone, or you could virtually rape someone? Have you seen that? Where their body freezes, they can't do anything, you get behind them, you start pumping them. There's all sorts of fucking shit. But people were like really upset. Like, you know, this girl was talking about how she felt completely violated because her character was trapped and some guy was- I'm like, isn't that a game where they're allowed to kill you?

With a fucking crowbar? Like like that doesn't freak you out But I did it from upstairs in that game Yeah, but it's not okay with the sex. I but the cocaine that I'm selling to buy this car is cool So how many people are on this twitch thing in any given moment go back to that like let's see what like What's all those games are on there? They have like more internet traffic than like most websites like and like they accounted for some huge number i'm sure you could look it up of streaming services like it's like them youtube and like netflix god damn i'm so out of the loop with this shit now the i want to see what it's like when you're watching

people play poker yeah so they normally have like six tables on. It's really down low. Okay, there's poker. Right there, yeah. So you go to poker. And so these guys are just playing video poker. So tournaments. And they have like a little, all right, click on that guy right there. I don't understand poker. 3,000 viewers, or 4,000 viewers almost. It's quite a bit less. So quite a bit less people are playing.

He has a million views, but quite a bit less than the video games. So way more people want to watch people well this is a gamers website right so a lot of people get residual fuse because people are just looking around for a gamer hmm right not a lot of people are just casually looking around for a poker player now do you think you could play pool on something like this pool like digital like no actual pool like could you ever camera camera set up where you could play actual pool I don't know their rules like if your channel who already does other things and then one day you decide to have a Friday night

It's pool night. I think you could I Think I think you could totally do it You'd have to talk to them Yeah, it's probably talk, but they don't want you to like say I'm playing counter-strike, and then you're playing right well seven days a week I was right Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't want a lot someone called me an n-word how dare you sir the audacity that's the one i concentrate on i know you went right to it so this guy's playing

four different games at a time a lot of those video game poker dudes the real aces they do that right yeah and they have a program to keep track of the hands everyone's been playing like on their table and if you pay for it Because these guys are playing they're making good money. You know playing poker four tables a day right? And he's so this cat is playing He's playing four different games at the same time where he's making money on these games or losing money gambling gambling yeah Now is that legal again like how's that work now because i know poker like they were for a while you could play it out of vegas but you gotta play people in vegas

online i think it's something to do with like canada okay so this guy wrote if poker is new to twitch but it's growing rapidly some poker celebrities daniel negrano who's been streaming jason somerville oh okay so it's a new thing. Yeah, it's a new addition They also added music recently like DJ Steve Aoki plays video No, he puts a GoPro up on stage and then he does his set at a club. Uh-huh streams it from Twitch But that's not a video they added music So I feel like this I thought people be stoked to have you on Twitch as a podcast i could totally connect you with those people too from dude we'll do it yeah why not i mean we do you stream i'm saying he i know his new what did you say you got the new trycaster

you could do like can we do you stream and twitch at the same time oh yes we can folks all right we'll do it yeah i'll totally connect those people interesting Interesting. Interesting. Kevin Pereira has a stage at his new studio, and he'll have concerts, and he'll be playing the drums and stuff on Twitch now. No shit. And how many people are watching? A lot. Kevin has a full studio where he does gaming, and on one, he does podcasts. Right, but how many people watch when he's playing drums and shit?

I haven't watched it. He just told me about it. Okay, let's see some other video games See what else we got here. You know this is fascinating man. This is a completely new world to me We show them call of duty, so this is kind of professional, but not really professional entertainer right But you're playing and you're making money like I'm a part-time streamer because I still compete. See, I think the genius of this is the whole donation thing. The genius of this is getting people to donate and the fact that

these guys can... So how else can they make money? They can make money by donating. Well, you have a subscription service, right? Subscription. So that's like you could run your salary. If you have 2,000 subs consistently and it fluctuates. And it's always $4.99? Well, some people negotiate, I think, to $6, but you split that. So like, the average person gets 50%.

I get 70%. The top people get, like, 90%. Like, there's guys that have a shitload of subs and they play all day. Wow, so they get 90%? So there's a guy named Lyric, or $4 out of the $5. That's 80%. Right. And he has, like, around 10,000 subs as of last month.

So that's automatically 40 grand a month he's making. Jesus. Just from his subs. And then donations. That's a half a million dollars a year. Oh, yeah. He makes over a half a million dollars a year. That's incredible.

And he's doing that all on Twitch. While getting his bachelor's in computer science. That's amazing. Fuck yeah. Actually, I think he just graduated. Congratulations, Larry. Dude, fuck yeah. So that guy doesn't even have to be the best

of the best. No, and that's the thing is the entertainment value. Wow. Look at his fucking numbers! 81 million people have watched him. He's not even on right now. There's people in his chat room just chatting. Oh my god. 81 million. That is fucking incredible.

Yeah, your chat becomes like a community home for people, so they literally will hang out in there. Oh, your chat becomes like a community home for people So they literally will hang out in there and you could like you have all these little emoticons See how it's got like a little cat face. That's his icon You could paste all sorts of dumb little things and it becomes like a fun way for people to they'll be in someone else's chat They'll spam my emoticon like Nothing that's fucking incredible Now I'm now I'm really intrigued

It's interesting because they really took the formula from porn You know porn always starts off first And he always invented first and then they moved it into like having the donations in the chat room and all that stuff My free camp, but the hot girl thing is huge So that's why I've been trying to get all the girls on here to do it playing video. You're pimping them out, bro I like it. It's a good move. Well, it's a career now. These girls, especially porn stars, when they get to an end of their porn star life, they're like, what am I going to do now?

I have no job. Start playing Mario Brothers. I'm sure you can fucking make that. Read a book, ho. Here's the dictionary. So let's go to another one, Jamie, because this is interesting, this lyric guy. I like that. I love what he's doing.

So how did that guy get so big? Why is he so big? Some of it's a domino, snowball effect. Is he a killer player? He plays all sorts of games, and he's got a radio voice. Let me see before you... I'm sorry to interrupt. Go to...

I want to see what other games are available. Yeah, this is Grand Theft Auto. So he's got a radio voice? Oh, I'm just... Lyric, he actually doesn't even have a webcam. It blows my mind how popular he is without even a camera. So no one knows what he looks like? Well, they do because he's shown up at a couple, like, conventions.

Oh, so they take pictures of him. We know him now. Yeah, they know him now. Exactly. Shows up with a fucking... One of those Guy Fawkes masks. Yeah. Let's see.

Scroll down. Call of Duty. Poker. Call... What is H1Z1? That was made by Sony. It's like a survival zombie Like it's like a shitty version of Grand Theft Auto you run around it's like a mass-world

Okay, this is a game. I never heard of how many people watching this cat when he's playing He's a new partner only thousand yeah, which is pretty good for like an average person You're gonna be able to turn that into like a moderate small day job and not have to and he's got you're gonna be able to turn that into like a moderate small day job and not have to and he's got 277 000 views instead of working at starbucks you're a low-level twitch streamer right yeah so okay this guy's probably making a couple grand a month maybe a thousand bucks a month he's got a subscribe button so yeah maybe if he's working hard so maybe it pays for his rent there you go yeah wow and so this is a weird game where it's a third person thing and you're running around you fighting zombies and he's okay This is a stupid game. Yeah

Boring all right Scroll down, but I want to see what games are available not just grant theft every single game is available every day I've quake on here. Yeah, let me see that go to that. You can pretty much play any single game People Diablo Jesus only if people are playing the game will it be here. Quake I love. I should text my Quake friends right now. It's a dead game, huh? Yeah, but I love watching Quake.

I went to QuakeCon a couple times in Texas. Oh, it's incredible. Half-Life's still available, huh? No, keep scrolling. You can also type Quake in the top left and see if that pops up. There's a lot of weird games. I never even heard of I Mean how does someone even create a new game now when these people get so addicted to the chess? Yep, chess this video chess is that what it is

Like how chess is like a wizard everyone else is like a young kid remember battle chess Battle chess battle chess where it was a box... Oh, they would box? Battle chess. Where they were like fighter. It was like a game that was for like early computers. And it was chess, but the guys would be knights. And they would be animated. And they would like cut the other person in half. I grabbed that hot water from you. Oh, yeah.

Tea. Oh, yeah. Technology all over the place. Playing Quake Live. That was it. Oh, but can you watch the video? Team Deathmatch. Team Deathmatch.

Team Deathmatch. So is that what this is? Yeah, this is a stream. We're going to watch a stream? Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's it. See, the graphics are quite a bit better in this than they are on the Counter-Strike, but even this is old. This is Quake 3. Dude, I love this shit, okay. Yeah, that's it. See, like, the graphics are quite a bit better in this than they are on the Counter-Strike.

But even this is old. This is Quake 3. Dude, I love this shit, though. My favorite tournaments to watch back in the day were, like, the Painkiller, Quake, Unreal Tournament. Well, what's interesting to me, you know, these games, it seems like you get hooked on one, and that one game becomes your shit, but then you run the risk of being left behind because then new games come out So I think the more legitimate thing esports gets obviously There's more interest for the game developers to keep their game lasting right whereas in the past

It was like buy the new game. How are we gonna make money? We need to come out the new game so people buy it But now there's way more ways for them to make money. So in Counter-Strike, you could change the way your AK-47 looks now. You could put a blue dragon decal on it, and you pay $5 for that decal, or $30, or $2, depending on how rare the decal is. And that is used to crowdfund for them to make money

and for us to have tournaments. So Valve now, the creators of Counter-Strike, hosts a quarter-million-dollar tournament every couple months from the money they get from the micro So Valve now, the creators of Counter-Strike, hosts a quarter million dollar tournament every couple months from the money they get from the micro-economy they created for Counter-Strike. God, this is insane. That's why League of Legends was so big right now. They sell these trinkets and garbs

and things for your character and they make like 50 million dollars a month or whatever. The world of video games... Don't quote me on that. But I get your point. The world of video games is so interesting quote me on that. But I get your point. The world of video games is so interesting. It's so alien to me. But I had no idea it was this deep and involved.

It's grown a lot with websites like Twitch really combining... How many of them are there besides Twitch? No, Twitch dominates that realm. There's like Hitbox, MLG TV, Major League Gaming TV, Zubu TV. There's a couple, but no one really has the reach that Twitch has. Somebody just said that Kevin Pereira is Twitching right now while playing a video game. Okay, go to Kevin Pereira. He's twitch.tv slash the attack.

Yeah. Let's see if this works. Okay, let's see. Not a hero and other stuff with Alex. This is Kevin? Yep, this is Kevin right now. Okay, crank up the volume. Pro Kevin I'm sorry I don't know this Kevin Pereira was the host of attack of the show he's a very bright man and he has beautiful

complexion and excellent bone structure. Look at that jawline. Boom. What's happening? That's the one cop that they dispatched because he shot that dude in the face so much. He's got a partner. Oh, he's only got a couple hundred viewers. Headshot, bitch. Oh, he's got a shot shot.

Don't let him use that on you. Sorry, bud. He only has a couple hundred viewers because he just got on, right? Yeah, he's watching you now, Kevin. Oh, they're saying Joe's watching now. Hi, Kevin. Hi, Joseph Rogan. Hi, fella.

Joseph Rogan and Brian Redman. We should go back to his stream. And the C9 pro gamer guy. See, he knows. What a weird world we live in, huh? Respect for the CSGO community. Kevin's funny. Forward.

Hello, kind sir so is that Kevin's studio that we're looking at in the corner yeah this is a man cave this is one part of his studio this is where he does all his twitch gaming and stuff in his podcast the first thing you think of in all these rooms is like where do they rub one out

like what part of the room he's gonna have You motherfucker oh shit All right, how can we do this let's enter the matrix we can somehow there's a lag though unfortunately It's probably seven to ten seconds. Yeah Yeah It's always racist stuff for some reason Yeah, I want to see your studio oh

How cool this is getting way confusing. This, how cool. This is getting way confusing. This is so bizarre. This is like two mirrors facing each other. Ooh, nice sriracha shirt, sir. Get that a target. Oh, Kevin Pereira with a dope studio. Can we go full screen on the cam? Hey, Kevin, we're finally getting to hear you now.

Here's his studio. You want that, JR? Oh, this is dope. You want that experience? Yeah. You want that experience? That's your podcast table. Oh, nice. This is Alex.

And we all have a show in the band room, but I don't even know how we get out there. The band room. All right. All right. Can you sprint? So this is a place he's renting? They need like a USB extension cord. Walk me.

Look at this. This is hilarious. Boy, this is so bizarre. Watching Kevin. Oh, he's doing an upstart. Hey, I want to see your dick. Hey, get out of there. So we're watching Kevin Pereira and it's the attack on Twitch.

This is getting way confusing. We'll get it gone. I see you're hearing. He's getting too far in. Los looks bro as fuck today. Backwards hat. Los broed out. Wow, this is very strange.

Oh, Joe, just wait. I'm going to give you the... Kevin, we're finally getting to hear you now. Here's a studio. Wow, this is interesting. Oh, so now he's got it. This is freaking me out. Wow.

Now that we've got the bar on the bar. Now it's them watching us watching them. This is fucking strange. I think we can time travel somehow right now. I just did look what we're doing here. We're showing his dick again Joe's got a full head of hair. What's good? This is all so bizarre It's like a mailbox or whatever that movie was my voice just got deeper So this is Kevin's studio and he plays video games out of here as well? Yeah, this is his Twitch room and his podcast room on this side.

And then on the other side he has... Oh, jeez, there's got four... Oh, let's see. Which one's real now? I don't even know which one's real. Wow, the one on the lower right-hand corner is real-time. The one on the left is, like, what he's getting from us on Ustream. So the left one is the Ustream one because it's a delay,

and the one on the lower right is real-time. Wow, this is crazy. He's got a sweet setup, man. Yeah. Again, he's going to show his dick. Jesus Christ. Three dicks. It's the same thing, though, over and over again.

Now why is there three different levels in the bottom? I don't know so did you have a bunch of employees or something? Oh, yeah? He's got a full staff over there. I mean receptionist they play video games and live the life What's the receptionist there for just to play video games and stuff like that so here's here's his want his second room So this is like where he plays pinball and foosball. It's a bunch of couches. This also has a humongous green screen on the side. Here's his kitchen area, which is like a bar in the middle.

Here's his bar. Here, you can just turn it up. Whoa. Yeah. So this is like his... Well, Joe has a pool table. Look at this. You can have a drink of whatever poison you'd like.

Wow, here's a bar. This is the best room right here. Through here. Well, okay. table this is really fascinating oh Kevin it's a whole recording studio set up oh my god this place must be huge and these walls out out. Show them the walls. So he has shows there. Yeah, he has live shows, concerts and stuff. Invites his friends and fans. Wow, this is crazy. Kevin Pereira is taking it to the next level.

Playing ping pong by himself. Wow. He's waiting for a match. So he has all these people that work for him. How is he generating revenue doing this? Does he have a laptop right now? Twitch, baby. Really? Twitch, podcasting, all this stuff.

They've got some other shows they do and some productions they do for other companies. They have a whole production company. Please come on by. You haven't done my podcast yet. Okay. In the studio. We have a whole production company. Okay. Okay. Alright, well tell Kevin I said thanks. Pretty dope.

Wow, this is amazing. He's got like ten fucking people working for him. Oh yeah. This is so strange. Kevin took it to the next level. That's pretty badass. Yeah, he took what we did and went like five steps beyond one step beyond that's the problem though is uh when you start showing where you live yeah that's the one other side of things we've had bad experiences with that what have you had like swatting oh i fucking hate fucking hate that. Swatting's not good. There's a pretty funny video of, actually, on YouTube of them clearing my room with, like, rifles and stuff. Oh, so that actually happened with you? That was you, right?

Oh, right. So while you were playing a game, someone called the SWAT team on you. What the fuck? It started something else. It started people ordering me pizzas at first. And, like, not paying for them, right? So they wouldn't pay for them. I'd get a bunch of pizzas.

Sorry, guys, here's a couple bucks. wasted your time can i have that pizza but uh they would leave fire trucks then with next like oh they said your house is burning down obviously it's not and then like a like a month later i'm just chilling and this is you so yeah i'm in my room right here i see my dad out front walk down the street i was like i heard an alarm but it's not loud now so what's going on i said guys i guys, I'll be right back. I was playing the game. And, uh, this is like 20 minutes later. Oh my God.

So there's a pretty funny edited version. I don't know if this is the one. So they don't know right now that this isn't real. No, I even told them, because they were about to come in with the canine units. I was like, hey, there's a couple cats in there. Can you just chill in the canine units? They're like, we're looking for dead bodies. We can't adhere to what you want. I was like, yeah There's a couple cats in there. Can you just chill on the canine units? We're looking for dead bodies We can't adhere to like what you want I was like guys

You're getting pranked you know look me up on YouTube while your guys are storming the house like you're getting pranked like I have no Day you had to tell them that they're getting pretty well someone calls Christ They're coming in with yeah fucking guns and they had me and my dad in handcuffs on the end of the no way So you were here so someone called said, I had murdered my neighbor and had someone else hostage. And they called through like a proxy DNS or whatever and, or, you know,

what do they call it? A VPN. So you can't trace where they call from. So did you give out your address online or did someone Google it? Someone, they, I guess my, someone found my Skype username

and then traced a log for all the calls that are, where they call us most frequently from and they just like triangulated my house ip address and then they did something called doxing where they get everything about my house and my personal info that's amazing yeah that's a real issue right with the the swatting i've seen that on tv a bunch of times like real celebrities that supposedly is like a big issue because it happens all the time, little things like this.

I don't even like saying that word. For me, all I had to do is, after I just talked to the police chief, I was like, guys, this happened a couple times, like, please don't respond like this again. Like, here's my number. Right, but then what if somebody wants to murder you? So what they do is they dock you.

So they have to send one guy. They have to. So every time, but someone could just do this all day long. So they put a little asterisk, they said, said near my house address and they have a message for their crew It's a little protocol now Wow that'd be scary as fuck man. Okay, let's get out of this that'd be scary as fuck Yeah, well to be honest. I actually knew what was happening right away Wasn't scary so my dad was country mail

But I walked out to see what's going on and Ray went out my front front door, as you saw, I was in like a tank top and shorts. But if you had a dog, they could have shot your dog. And I've talked about that to friends. I would have been so fucking furious if any animal of mine was killed, but luckily my Rottweiler wasn't there. No dogs there. My Rottweiler wasn't there. But that's not normal.

A lot of times people have the dog inside the house. If they come inside, they'll just shoot your dog. Yeah, and they'll kick down the door. So like I said, luckily they were at the end of the block when I walked out. And I looked and I see all these guys behind bushes and tree lines with M16s pointing at me. I was like, oh. Fuck, douchebags. God damn, man.

I don't have a gun. I get pranked. And I don't give a shit. Walk down the side of the street. I'm like, cool. I'm doing it. Oh, my God. Yeah.

But yeah, that's the worry. It's like, what if no one was home? I'm home alone. I have my dog. I'm chilling at my god. Yeah, but yeah, that's the worry is like what if no one was home? I'm home alone I'm my dog. I'm chilling at my apartment and they come up and fucking blow my window and kick down the door They see me like they maybe they see my expression like surprised or angry because I just died in the game or I say hey Bomb down bomb down and I'm and then they're at the they're at the door behind me while I'm communicating that to my teammates They bust in the door and fucking club me over the head or something. How often does this happen? me while I'm communicating that to my teammates, they bust in the door and fucking club me over the head or something. How often does this happen?

A lot. A lot. So there is another video, actually, someone online who got more surprised, where he realized he was being swatted. He's like, oh shit, people are cleaning my house, I think I'm being swatted, and they kind of like do that whole deal. I've seen that. I've seen a few of them.

Now, there's no way they can stop that. I mean, how could they stop that right now with current technology? Well, like I said, only once it's happened at that address. They have a protocol then about don't let it happen again. Jesus fucking Christ. now with current technology well like i said it only once it's happened at that address have they have a protocol then about don't have fucking christ one of the kids who supposedly did it to me got caught and they caught him because he did 18 different swatting he's from vegas a 19 year old kid from vegas he sent us to five years oh my god he's doing jail time oh yeah because he's 19. oh my god it's the same type of kids

who do those denial of service attacks. It's a big problem in gaming. You know, the DDoS. Oh, yeah. They flood your internet. If they had your IP right now,

I'm sure they'd try to fuck your show. Yeah, we've had it before. It's like, I try to picture the person that, like, we're kind of like gang initiation of nerds

and they're all, like, circle jerking in, like, some kind of, like, tech lab dungeon. You're going to call their fury. Dude.

Right now, you're calling them. Yeah, I got to stop. It's like saying Candyman, Candyman. I know. It's like talking about 4chan or something right now. Change the topic. Let's talk about 4chan.

What's your favorite flavor pizza? It's just fascinating to me that we're in this weird world where all this stuff is kind of going on at the same time. Like the interaction of this Twitch stuff. Go back to that Twitch website again. I find this the most fascinating because this seems to me to be almost better than professional gaming,

like being good at it. It seems like what you need to do is be like that lyric guy and just be kind of entertaining. Like, what is that guy's skill level? It's like really, keep scrolling down. Let me see what other games they have.

The decision between being a streamer and a pro gamer is mostly pride, right? Like you compete and you want to win and be considered good at something. Right. And you travel around a lot. What's that? What's creative?

Oh, that's just creative. Oh, drawing. People drawing? Come on. They have video games of someone drawing. No, it's just people drawing. Yeah, go there. Let's see this.

Mind occupied. How many people are watching this guy draw? 30. 30 people. He's got 59. There's a game many people have watched this guy draw? 30. 30 people. He's got 59. There's a game development one, too. People watch people. This actually, the guy's a talented artist.

Yep. So you get to watch him draw. And is he drawing in Photoshop? Is that what's going on? Or is he taking... Something close to it. Hmm. Like, the popularity of Periscope is based on the same formula.

Also, everyone having their own TV shows, subscribing to his feedback, chat rooms, all this stuff is the future. Now, he's doing this with a Wacom, like one of those tablets? Yeah, this is Photoshop. Are you drawing? Yeah, using Wacom. You can just broadcast anything from your computer almost. It's just a matter of if they're going to allow you to put it on their service.

This guy's chat is bullshit. Let's storm this guy's chat. That's 28 people. Yeah, I haven't blow up yet. Well, they haven't heard us yet. There it goes. Bam. It takes like 15 seconds.

There it is. And the viewer count won't update either. Your whole chat's on. She might have 500 in there, but it won't refresh yet. Ask for permission before posting a link. Purge. Yeah, you can't put links in there. There's some weird things you can do in the chat.

Oh my God, racism again. Racism again. But that's, he didn't say the N word because he uses the number one instead of an I, so it's okay. Yeah, you have to do the filter. Wow, this N word thing is rude. Wow, this is, this N-word thing is rude. Can someone please call me a spic or maybe even a chink?

Because I'm just tired of the N-word. That's one thing that's weird about the gaming community. With, like, Xbox Live or online chat or anything, it's just racist. Like, there's no, there's no, like, everyone's racist on Xbox Live. So, because it's forbidden, right?

Now, let me ask you this. What was your take on this whole Gamergate thing? Did that affect you at all? Or were you like, what are you nerds fighting over? And for folks who don't know what Gamergate was, you know, it kind of started out as some sort of a fight over online journalism and became something about feminism and social justice warriors and all kinds of craziness yeah that was honestly i don't even know the whole story i heard

i only heard about it partially because people were talking about the female side of things and i remember a lot of the companies i worked with immediately i saw a change in the direction of marketing they're like put females on all of our adverts like because really because they wanted to be like we support female gamers whoa whoa whoa whoa really yeah so patronizing yeah i don't need to say specific companies but i saw a lot of these esports companies like instead of having a guy wearing the gaming headset it was a girl now like by the way like we do like gamers like or girl gamers rather so so their response to it was to say that they were supportive of female gaming. Yeah, and supporting girl streamers on Twitch. The whole thing was just so bizarre, because it all happened out of one gal was banging some dude who was a video game.

Yeah, I actually don't know the whole story. I never really researched it much. It's legendary. It's like the story of Jesus. There's a bunch of different versions of it. Some of them go all the way back to Thor. The whole thing, it's very strange. It's very strange when you have these

little satellite communities and they branch off and they do battle with each other. Yeah, I tried to watch one of those two minute videos that explained everything and I couldn't even figure it out from there. I tried. I couldn't, I just couldn't tolerate it. It was just so nonsensical. But it was like a lot of it

Just seemed like you know it seemed like there was a lot of bullshit on both sides You know so you didn't even pay attention like the hardcore gamers like you're like so Insulated deep in the hive that you didn't even hear the rumbling outside My managers exactly my managers from like I play on a team called cloud nine They were talking about it because it was like their sponsors discussed with them about what it was, but I didn't hear about it until after it happened. I was like, wait, what was this thing?

What were you trying to say, Jamie? The drawing went offline. What? Everyone in the chat made him go offline. Aww. He's angry. His mind's no longer occupied. Now he has 319 people watching though I killed his stream

There's a cool video on YouTube I don't know Singularity is happening I can send you this video Somebody just sent me Of somebody getting robbed While twitching So they're twitching

And then in the background You see them getting robbed Like someone stealing things From their house? Yeah here Jamie Oh that girl right? I just sent it to you So they're playing And behind them People are stealing things from their house? Yeah, here. Jamie, I... Oh, that girl, right? I just sent it to you.

So they're playing, and behind them people are stealing things? Yeah, it's a girl. Pretty cute girl, it looks like. And she doesn't even know? Yeah. How many people do stuff like that? How many people are faking things like that just to get people to watch them? Yeah.

Okay, so we're kind of getting off track here. So this Twitch thing seems like a viable source of revenue obviously because but if you bank on that sort of the same thing as like your dad was saying like this is a volatile industry that you're entering into the one thing i will give people who go big on twitch though is as you see like lyric he doesn't necessarily have a marriage to one game so when a new game comes out his following is just like fuck it go play that game and we'll be entertained so that's the benefit and that's why i have dabbled in streaming i'm not a full-time streamer but i could pay my bills with streaming and i go on there and i try to stream when i don't have like a big tournament you could pay your bills with streaming wow that is fucking crazy

so you could just for a goof you could say oh you know like some people have like a little side job like that your side job could be streaming and that could like pay for your rent yeah definitely and the cool thing is obviously it's your own hours being an uber driver or something exactly but way more money than an uber driver yeah well and the tips drivers don't get donations yeah you don't get 10 grand from some dude in Dubai exactly wow that is amazing this is a world that I just was not aware of. And so girls do it, and they do it because, like, hot girls can do it,

and they don't even have to be good at games. Right. But there's a lot of girls who, like, because there's not a lot of girl pro gamers, like, in Counter-Strike. Like, I don't know the answer why. This is always a discussion. Like, why aren't there more girls at the top? Because they're out there looking for dick.

That's one side of the argument. Yeah, and we're looking for girls. You could argue that the guys aren't looking for girls, right? Well, they are, but they've given up. I mean, they are, but they're like, let's be realistic. Games are here and they're fun. So you have the girls on stream that try to not portray that sexiness because they want to be taken more seriously. Right.

They purposefully have a hoodie on. Yeah, there's a lot of that, right? And I don't... It's one thing. I understand. There's this one girl her name's casey tron and she makes fun of the whole thing she's got big boobs as it is but she pushes them up has the camera like angled in on it and she constantly says like stupid shit and like makes like sexual innuendos all the time and like just different jokes on stream because she wants to embrace the chaos that is the twitch chat and just kind of right and how did then And what kind of numbers does she get? I mean, it's definitely a full-time job for her.

She can make money. Wow. So you could actually make what a lawyer makes or a doctor makes. A quarter million dollars, yeah. That is so crazy. I don't know why this is so surprising to me. The TV networks are shitting their pants because of things like this Twitch. Because more people are watching video games now than they are watching TV.

Is that true? Yeah. Really? Yeah, but there's a lot of channels, man. There's 250 channels just on DirecTV or something like that. More than that, probably, right? Yeah, but most of these games, they're getting way more viewers per day than an episode of Grey's Anatomy nowadays I saw this thing about the ultimate fighter you know uh the the UFC show the reality show

where somebody was saying that the I don't know if this is true but the ultimate fighter only had 246,000 people watch uh one of the episodes which is just mean, that's way less than we get for a podcast. That's normal. That's normal. Nowadays. That's normal for Twitch. What are you saying?

It's normal nowadays for the low numbers on TV, on cable. But it's not because that's like way lower than what it's been before. Well, as an example, there's a that's on uh one of these like oxygen networks or something like that at uh 10 p.m on on a tuesday what would you think the numbers are for that 10 p.m on a tuesday on an oxygen network show i don't know how will they even configure that out man can you figure that out you can more so nowadays i think than you used to be able to because nowadays those numbers of the cable companies are sold to. Yeah, that data is all.

That's all data. Shared and sold. Right, but that's the question is how do they know? Well, the network can monitor all that, obviously, right? I don't know. It used to be Nielsen ratings. It used to be you have to have a Nielsen box on your television. That's old school shit.

Yeah, and then I think they still use that, though. I don't think they're. They know when people watch a DVR show within 24 hours, like that's added into it. A DVR show. old school yeah and then i think they still use that though my i don't think they're they know when people watch the dvr show within 24 hours like that's added into a dvr show they have to be monitoring your dvr box to know if you have watched my dvr though but that is is that watching it live can they figure that out as well added into that live number so they'll get right but they don't hours and but they don't add that into the ratings. If you watch television ratings, that's not included in the ratings. If you see Big Bang Theory, if that's the number one show, they don't factor in DirecTV.

I don't believe they do. I think it just depends on what day you're looking at it. They might wait two more days and they'll give you the updated facts. But just like I have numbers on Twitch, I imagine all these channels have access to that well that was the debate the debate though in television was whether or not to include the DirecTV numbers because DirecTV numbers were different than the numbers they were getting off of regular television also as many people watching the television together is there five people watching one screen you got to talk right into that dude oh yes closer is there is

there five people watching one screen, right? That's obviously the variables. On a computer, you have to fill out info when you make a Twitch account, which makes it that much more valuable. All the info is age-based. They know how old you are. Okay, here it goes. Netflix ratings. Netflix won't share it.

They won't tell you. They don't need to tell you. They're like, fuck you, we're Netflix. Bitch. Well, yeah, internally they obviously have all that. Well, they have 70 million people on Netflix now paying $7 a month. Motherfucker. More than that.

Motherfuckers. I think it's just 70 million. Well, Jamie, you can find out. It's like Hulu 7. I don't know if they share that either. No, I think they do. Yeah, how many people are on Netflix? So how many people are watching House of Cards?

No, they don't even tell you. Hmm. Hmm. They don't know. Find out how many people are watching House of Cards? No, they don't even tell you Hmm They don't know Find out how many people are on Netflix I think it's 70 million So yeah, this Ultimate Fighter Episode 4 of last week's Ultimate Fighter Only did 286,000 views Hmm

Hmm Yeah, that's like a counter-strike tournament nowadays Is that really a counter-strike tournament Nowadays Is that really A counter-strike tournament That's what you would get Well the last major We had over a million Concurrent

Fucking Christ A million watching At the same time My god That's amazing And League of Legends And those ones Are monstrous too

Because they have Weekly events This size That is Unbelievable man We are living in strange, strange times. Awesome times, right? They just crossed 40 million domestic subscribers.

40 million domestic, but worldwide. I think worldwide they said it was 70. I'm looking at a Forbes article with it. But even that, 40 million domestic at $7 a month. Hoo-hoo, they got cash, baby. So the one downside to Twitch ads is that ad block, right, on Chrome. So some ads don't get shown, so that doesn't go towards the counts per millennia, the CPM or whatever, the rate you get per thousand viewers.

So obviously on a TV box, you can't turn off the commercial. You can switch the channel, but online you can literally disable the ad so that you're always watching the streamer because i could run an ad every eight minutes some people don't want to see the ad they just want to watch jordan right so i when i run a commercial i try to make an effort to leave the room so people aren't encouraged to turn off ad block so there's nothing going on during my commercial so your commercials are scheduled no eight minutes i have dashboard. I could run a 30, 60, 90, 120, 150-second commercial. And how does that work? You get a piece of the ad?

Yep. So per every 1,000 viewers, I get a rate like $3 to $5 per commercial I run. So if I have 4,000 viewers and I run a commercial at prime hours, that's 30 seconds, I'll get like $20 or something for a couple thousand viewers. So you could run for an hour. That's $80 an hour or whatever. But they still have to tune into it. Yeah, they have to be tuned in. That's like live action.

Like sometimes if I'm having a really funny stream and there's a bunch of cool shit happening, I don't want to like interrupt with an advert. It's a commercial, right? Right. But if I'm just playing a game and I'm like, all right, guys, I'm going to go take a piss, get some food, a snack really quick, I'm going to run a two-minute commercial. But I try to never interrupt the action. And these two-minute commercials,

they use trailers for movies? Yeah, so it draws from a random rotator. That's how Twitch makes also their money. So these companies pay Twitch maybe $10,000 to run their ad for this Friday. So you don't get to choose? You couldn't say, like, hey, I'd like to have a Chevy ad right now.

But no, but what I can do is have advertisers pay me directly and run their pre-rolls as my stream and never run a commercial through Twitch. Or do an internal advertisement inside the show like what we do. Yeah, exactly. Or could you have product placement?

Exactly, yeah. You know what goes good with gaming? Coca-Cola. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's what I'm doing good with gaming? Coca-Cola. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's what I'm doing. When I play on my stream, I have my sponsor's headphones on. I have their keyboard, their house. And they pay you monthly or annually?

Well, those are the people who support me to fly to, like, Europe and all over the world each month. I just got back from London this weekend. That's, you know, big event. Samsung. Get away from me. So, yeah, so I'm, so I have two phones, right? I have to deactivate my iPhone because I got sponsored by HTC recently. Oh, you had to deactivate your phone?

Well, I still have it because I have an unlimited data plan, so I've been resisting. But I have the new HTC M9, which I use for everything else. I didn't even know the M9 was out. It just came out. When? A week ago? Yeah, I think I got it right before. The M8 was pretty dope.

The M8 was dope. How much better is the M9? Honestly, I... Let's see9 Honestly a bitch blow it out. You know the the family plan on T-Mobile The family plan on T-Mobile is unlimited LTE data my music player T-Mobile is your music player No, I said my HTC's in my car cuz I see I understand so this is a Whole new world that I'm being introduced to this world of streaming. I mean the world of competitive video games. I'm scared I don't want to be sweaty on you The world of competitive video games I was kind of aware of and I knew about these enormous Starcraft tournaments where people are, you know

Watching it on television. Yeah Korea. It's still huge, right? Yeah, that's why Starcraft 1 died. It got so big that everyone was throwing matches for money Throwing it. Oh, Here's 20 grand. Lose your next game. No way. Really? And then there's because there's betting because Korea's... It got big really fast. I ate a bad noodle. People always find a way to

fuck things up, don't they? That's kind of what happened to the original Starcraft because that game was badass. I don't think they needed to change it too much. They could have just updated the graphics a little. And what happened? Well, that kind of ruined part of the integrity of the Korean scene, which was like the dominant. Those guys are like insane. Like the way they practiced, the way they play was like just clear cut,

more efficient, smarter, better than everyone in the world. So when their scene was infected that way, it kind of. Is that a cultural issue? Like you were talking about Europe and Korea. Is there like a stigma on it in America that doesn't exist in Europe and Korea? Well, definitely. When I go to Sweden, it's like being a pro surfer in California. Not everyone recognizes me, but I will get recognized every day over there.

So like I'll be in a McDonald's and somebody, oh shit, hey, what up? Nothing. And I'll be like, you here for DreamHack? Yeah, cool. But not everyone in the room will know who I am. But that one guy will. Like my buddies from Sweden, the team NIP, they're the best team from Sweden. When most of those guys walk around in Sweden, they're recognized 20, 30 times a day.

That's like normal at least. So they're celebrities. They're celebrities in their city for sure. Is it like comparable to like a Daniel Negrano who's a big time poker player? Yeah, something like that. Or Phil, what's his name? Phil Ivey. Phil Ivey.

Is it comparable to that or more? I would say more like the surfing analogy is probably better because I guess those guys are in the region. Right, in the world. Right. Wow, that is unbelievable. Kelly Slater or something. Yeah, well, he's pretty famous worldwide. So that would be like fatality, that one guy.

I'm sure he wasn't even a fastball. Yeah, I know that dude. He's done, right? Yeah, he just does all sorts of marketing. Best gamer in the world still. Yeah. He was really good at Quake, but obviously all the new current players could beat him. Rafa is like the best Quake player ever.

He is? Yeah, Shane Hendricks. Well, whatever happened to that one dude, what was his name? Immortal? No, what the fuck's his name? There's Vu. No, the fuck's his name? There's Vu.

There was a guy who was an Asian cat who had his own, he had like a whole server and a whole website rather. God damn it. Well, I have a website now. The best immediate, like in the early days. Was it Quake? I feel like his name was Immortal. But he stopped playing. Probably should know this. And he stopped playing and started developing products and, you know, a gaming website.

And I think for a lot of those guys, the actual gameplay is so involving. Like you have to practice eight, ten hours a day. Yeah. I've experienced the lethargy of it. Like because it's a novelty, right? You do something, you're so into it because it's new and exciting to compete well a lot of these pro mlb and nfl players probably wouldn't be in it if they're barely making a wage they would probably say that was fun but it's not worth it get my head bashed in well i'm not getting my head bashed in but i am spending a lot of time

inside i am neglecting my hours are odd right i practice like it's a little evening so a lot of my friendship hangouts have to be like weird hours or weekends or when i have no tournament so there is downsides to everything right so like for me the novelty has gone away a little bit like i don't play many games anymore i'm not a video game player i'm a counter-strike player and so i don't in my free time i'm not just like let me flip on my playstation 4 it's like no let me go outside let me go do i play ice hockey still once a week i play golf sometimes i i try to stay active because i would go insane being once a week i play golf sometimes i i try to stay active because i would go insane being inside all day i have one teammate right now who's very new to the pro scene

he plays all day he streams all night he's gonna make way more than all of us because he literally does he won't leave his house for two weeks and he's still totally sane happy like totally possible he it's just a way it'll it'll go away probably eventually but he's in that state where his friends are online and it's not like you're by yourself you're dealing with you played quake right with your friends right he's very interactive we're all very interactive he loves gaming i was at that stage one time where i didn't mind not going out for the whole weekend and i just land with my friends after a while depending on how you've balanced your life obviously you you want to do other things in your day right you want to feel fulfilled as a human I took up golf a couple years

ago just to do something else and try to be decently skilled at it just for fun the kids name was Thresh Thresh yep yeah he won like what did he win like a Ferrari or something I remember well he was like one of the Dennis Fong started yeah that's started X fire I think a big company now yeah he's that's that's Thresh that x-fire he was uh like the best player or one of the best players at the time i remember watching that guy like the first pro gamer yeah watching him play in demos you're like jesus christ and then he came up with a website and he had like a gaming news portal he definitely paved the way

joe and of all the shows that we've ever done joe rogan podcast i don't think we've ever had 8 000 people viewing our show but right now we have like almost 8 000 people viewing our show we haven't had that many before it was the most we've ever had jamie 5 000 before wow the gaming community we didn't even hit it up that hard i wasn't sure if i could announce this last week i was like like, uh. That is fascinating. This whole thing is just a. It's a gamer world. Yeah, I hate gamer fuckers.

We've hit some new plateau, I think, with interactivity with this. Not we, but like the world. I'm excited for you to connect to Twitch. I think that's going to do some cool shit for you. Yeah, I think we need to put this thing on Twitch for sure now. It seems to me to be, there's a whole world out there of people that are involved in this that I just had no idea about. You know, I had no idea that people were making

donation money and that someone could make 50 grand a month. Because we weren't always, right? How often has it been? I mean, how new is this? How recent is it? Probably 2010 when it really started being. So the last five years. It used to be Justin TV. Oh yeah, we used to do that. Dude, we used to do Justin TV. Justin TV. Oh, yeah. We used to do that. We used to hang out with Justin. That's the honor.

Dude. We used to do Justin TV from the green room at Cobb's Comedy Club in San Francisco. That was old Joe Rogan experience before it was Joe Rogan experience. We even met with them and they were like, here, we want to give you laptops and cameras and stuff. Yeah, exactly. That was like when we used to do it in, we did it in my hotel a few times. We did it in green rooms.

I did all kinds of shit. Remember I came with the bathrobe on, the leopard bathrobe for you and Joey and I danced for you? Do you remember the time there was that dude, and this was way, way back in the day, but he had some sort of a cellular hookup in his backpack that was attached to a laptop. That was Justin TV. Yeah. And they walked around their dorm and shit. And he had a webcam.

Yeah. He had a webcam that was like on his chest or a hat or something along those lines. And he had this like set, and he wanted to give us one of these setups and have us take it around. And I think that's where me and Brian, like, we just, we just, we're crossing the line here. This is just too fucking weird. That's it next. Joe Rogan has a GoPro on his head during the UFC fight night. But that's what Periscope is.

I'm going to Periscope from this UFC this weekend. Oh, sweet. Yeah. I'm going to see if I can get a service or a cell phone signal. Because I think there's a Wi-Fi. Tether it. You might want to also talk to Dana first about it. Well, I'm not going to show the fights.

I'm not going to show the fights. I'm going to like Periscope. I wanted to Periscope like me and Goldberg. Like getting ready and fucking around and let everybody know what it is and this is what it looks like I'm gonna introduce everybody to the people that work behind the scenes and show everybody Tom Segura and Tony Hinchcliffe Oh, yeah Periscope is a streaming app where you you stream from your cell phone Yeah, so we do it all the time at the Comedy Store. The other day I took people on a tour of the Comedy Store.

I took them up to the Belly Room. I took them down to the Comics Bar. I took them all over the place. Very cool. I should do that, yeah. Just go to the beach, clown around or something. You could, yeah. You could do whatever you want.

I mean, could you show pornography with that? No, I just got banned. Immediately back to the porn. You got banned again? Yeah, well, I got banned for doing... Brian. Yeah.

What do you do in your free time? I troll my free cams. But here, check it out. Okay, cool. So there's people looking at it right now. You have to hold it up and down

for some reason. Oh, okay. Oh, this way. Very cool. And so there's people chatting to you. What up? What's up, Edgar?

Hearts. No, the rules of Periscope. That's trippy. No nudity. No, like, overall Periscope. That's trippy. No nudity, no overall sexual content. I can't use it. No showing fights, because they got in huge trouble for a lot of people streaming the Manny fight. Mayweather fight.

Yeah, that makes sense. How I got banned, though, is because of the fights. Because of the fights, they had to incorporate some kind of uh features so people were showing the fights that people could report on them so what happened to me is i was there was a bipolar schizophrenic cam girl named uh egyptian princess doesn't that just go without saying yeah and it was she was wearing clothes but she was just like it was so funny and all these people on reddit were like trolling her or something. So I was filming what was going on with this Reddit troll. And so many people thought I was doing the troll that they reported me and I got banned.

But Periscope and Twitter looked at it and goes, well, that's a stupid rule because you probably have a lot of haters that would just do this every time you get on. I'm like, yep. Exactly. So I think they've kind of relaxed it for me at least. At least they respect the fact that you would have some haters. They take your word for it. It sucks because on Twitch they recently added that even as a guy, you can't be seen with your shirt off on Twitch.

What? Yeah, I did something funny one time where I killed the whole team and I didn't react at all. I got up, put my headphones on, I took my shirt off on the Twitch. What? Yeah, I did something funny one time where I killed the whole team and I didn't react at all. I got up, put my headphones on, I took my shirt off and I walked out of the room just to have a funny reaction. If I did that now,

my channel would get shut down for an hour or something. So that's like how New York City has that law that men can take their shirts off so women take their shirts off because they can't do anything about it. Yeah, because Ari Shaffir

will walk around New York City every day with no shirt on. He does it all the time. Don't do. about it. Yeah, because like Ari Shaffir will walk around New York City every day with no shirt on. He does it all the time. Don't do. He's a beautiful man. Our society is pretty weird about that stuff. Well, if you're allowed to show a male nipple, look, I am fully supportive of anybody who wants to be naked. If you want to be naked and walk down the street, I think clothes.

Especially if it's symmetrical. Well, I just think the idea of clothes is fucking ridiculous. It's not natural. You know what's natural? Being naked. Clothes are just, we're imposing this. We're imposing this to society. If you're comfortable being naked, walking down the street, what, you're going to hide it from the kids?

Well, you're very intimidating when you have no shirt on. It's too much like, ah, sex and perfect muscles and stuff. So it makes some of us nervous. Well, you're disgusting. So maybe somebody had just eaten. That was real. So we're all going to Burning Man and we're doing a Joe Rogan podcast. Scott Jorgensen has a Twitch thing.

Oh, no shit, man. Oh, yeah. Scott has 725,000 fucking views. Wasn't there another musician lately who's playing Call of Duty? All right, I'm going to give this back to Brian. Joe, you should do UFC Twitch. You ever play the UFC game? Yeah, well, I have to do some.

You know what I'll do? I have to do some voiceover for the newer version of it because they have new updated versions of it every year. So this year I have to go in in like a couple weeks i have to go in and it's a fucking laborious task i have to fake fights fake fights are going on is there ever going to be a playable character of you because that's what one thing that the internet has been asking for for a while is having a playable easter egg character of you i would have to do a lot of work to do that i'm not really interested you gotta you have to like throw i have to throw a bunch of kicks and get videotaped

my body i was gonna say man you have a vicious kick i saw something on instagram i was like i would have just got broken in half by that kick oh my god you're kicking a beanbag yeah but beanbags don't hit back but it wasn't a beanbag it had a nice pop to it. Beanbag. Beanbag. Fucking beanbag. Hacky sack. Yeah. All of the above. So where is this going? This is going towards virtual, right? Like that's Oculus Rift is the next stage for all this shit.

I mean, that's all I'm thinking. And by the way, that's what Carmack believes. Carmack and I were chatting back and forth the other day on Twitter. And one of the things that he was talking about that he's obsessed with, I guess, is Oculus. Oculus Rift and the possibilities that that entails. Have you fucked with Oculus at all? I played some weird

ocean surfing simulator thing, but playing Counter-Strike, I feel like I'd get nauseous. I want to try it, though. See, that's the biggest obstacle that they have to get over is a lot of people put it on and get sick immediately. And so it's not going to work for them. Yeah, that's a thing, man, like with motion sickness.

Like some folks get motion sickness and some people don't. Like some people can't, like my wife can't get on a boat. She gets on a boat, she's like, bleh. Like I have no problem. I can be on waves and it doesn't affect me. And my kids are the same way. It doesn't bug them. I was worried that it would get them, but it doesn't get them.

And my kids are the same way doesn't bug them. I was worried that it would get them, but it doesn't get them But some people like like if you're in the backseat of a car they'll get sick Okay, they have to sit in the front seat if you're going around. Yeah, like Kurt. What is that? What the fuck is that some people just can't take it? I know people that came and watch video games on TV first-person shooters, or they they get sick some equilibrium shift or something internally I don't know So that would be a factor with Oculus. Because I don't think it tracks your eye movement. So if you want to look to the right,

I think you have to do this versus like if you wanted to look to your right with your eyes, you could look to your right. Oh, right. Of course. So it'll be very stiff for a while. Yeah, that would be odd. But they have those omnidirectional treadmills

that they're using for Oculus. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you would actually get some work in Tahiti Well, no, you'd be playing counter-strike. Can you be running I? Think that's what my like ranking in the world would really go downhill Everybody's would dudes to start taking EPO and running on Every day you would have to do something I mean if you think about like competitive advantages if it advantages, if it all of a sudden started becoming physical, if it shifted, gamers started being super fit,

that would be crazy. You remember that Dance Dance Revolution game? I love that game. That game made so many people get in shape. I mean, it really did. There was all these success stories of people who, they got into it just for being silly you know play a video game silly all that hopping around got them in incredible shape like guys were losing

like 50 60 pounds well the health apps on the Xbox live are amazing now we fit that we in the we might connect tracks my body so if you're if you're doing one of the workout videos like what is that one, the PF56? PF, PX90. PF Changs. PF Changs. Lettuce wraps? But yeah, that actually tracks your body.

So it knows it's like you need to bend your arms more. Your legs aren't bending. Cheating. You're trying to cheat. You're trying to do half reps. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's.

Damn it, Brian. Well, the Oculus thing, I would think that eventually that would be like you could do like you could spar. You could have like a martial arts simulator where there's a person in front of you and you're fucking duking it out with some person. Totally. Practice your little meta fighting. I don't know a lot about fighting. You wouldn't be able to grab them. That would be an issue.

Like you wouldn't be able like there would be no grappling stuff, but you would be able to kick and punch and stuff. Start 3d printing opponents yeah the thing about grappling is you'd have to you're interacting with a person's body like striking is kind of independent because you could kind of pretend you're hitting someone and they react yeah and they don't you don't really have to have a like where jujitsu you're actually manipulating bodies and it requires correct leverage and you're actually, you have weight. You're pushing weight around. But they could give you like, no, you didn't have to, you'd be fighting a robot.

That wouldn't work. That's to get way lighter first because that's like a two or three pound thing almost you're putting on your head. What, the Oculus? Yeah, you can't just jiggle around and move. Right, but it's eventually going to be a neural interface. I mean, it's eventually going to be some sort of a chip that they stick in the back of your head. I don't think we're long for this world. I think human beings are going to be some weird fucking computer thing in the next 30 or 40 years.

I really do. I just don't see this lasting. These are already fucking guys sitting in an air base in Nevada just controlling drones. That's a lot of it. I mean, it's a small portion, but it's a lot of the technology they're working on now is also exoskeletons. Have you seen those? I mean, I know, I understand what you're saying, but no. They have these insane exoskeleton suits that are allowing people to carry hundreds and hundreds of pounds. You don't get tired. Your body can do all sorts of things it would never be able to do before the game called crisis that it's just like that

Have you seen crisis you can like flip on your power suit? It's like invisibility super strength You can jump over a roof and shit. How's that Matt Damon movie? Oh, yeah the new call duty Matt Damon was a Matt Damon Matt Damon wait remember that movie was it called Elysium? Yes, Elysium Yes, that suit they screw it into his brain and he becomes like a super person because he's got this wacky. He had to get the like Cholo version. You remember? Yes.

He had to go. We had to go to some weird place. Yeah. And they're like, all right, Holmes, you owe me a hundred thousand. Give me this. Yeah. It was like a dystopian version of the future and everything was bad. But the rich people all lived in the sky in some beautiful town where Sigourney Weaver.

No, it wasn't Sigourney Weaver. Who the fuck was it that was the king? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. From... Fatal Attraction? That broad. C-word. Glenn Close.

Glenn Close. Glenn Close was the mayor or the queen or whatever the fuck she was. Did you see this? This is not shit. Oh! It's us. He's paralyzed and he got a brain-controlled arm. Whoa, play that. So he you got a brain controlled arm. Whoa play that

He's controlling this with his brain And how is he doing that? How is he controlling it? It's a computer interface. You see the Interface on his head up there. Whoa, it's true. That's awesome You know having things with this arm giving disabled people the ability one of my dude. There's an incredible story I'll talk after this So you can get a whole Representation of a grasp and another neuron nearby will produce a different type of grass and be sensitive to a different type of Cool. Oh my god picking up a drink

twitch.tv slash handy He's a friend of mine. I'm doing it all by myself and everything's going good, right? I'm about to, I'm imagining to picking up the robotic arm. I'm extending the robotic arm towards the beer.

I pick it up. I have the straw to my mouth, ready so extremely I can practically taste the beer, right? And I drop it. I drop the straw to my mouth, ready, slow, extremely. I can practically taste the beer, right? And I drop it. I drop the, I somehow release. In my thought process, I release the grip on the beer. And it falls.

And it falls in my lap and it spills all over me. So that was one of the bloopers and that was funny. But the next time I completed the task. That guy's getting hammered. With a robot arm. Come backopers, and that was funny. But the next time I completed the task... That guy's getting hammered with a robot arm. Come back here, you arm. No. So when he gets drunk, can he not control it with his mind anymore?

Yeah, maybe he's, like, drunk robotting. Never drunk robot. Well, I mean, that's beautiful because... But that's, again, what we're saying. I don't think we're long for this world. I mean, I think eventually that right now is really crude. That's, like like the model t of these fucking robot things but we're gonna get to the tesla of these robot things and that's not that far away and then people are gonna go well fuck this shitty body this fucking flesh bag that

i live in it's always farting and going bad you know i'm getting sick all the time let me just fucking take my brain and stuff it into this thing that'll keep it alive indefinitely. Well, and nano stuff is going to start overwhelming. So this guy I know personally, he plays with the nubs. He was born like this. He's got no arms or legs, and he plays using his nose and his two nubs, and he's fucking good. Wow. And he shoots with it?

Yeah, he's better than the average player in the world. What? So he's like a world-class player. Yeah, his name's Mikey. I did a little report on him, actually. Wow. So I grew up playing with this kid. He comes to the tournaments.

I go to tournaments around L.A. when I was younger. He comes there. He's sitting there smoking a cigarette. He's got a little thing. Smoking a cigarette? He pulls out his... He has a wire he pulls out of his pocket. It lights up his cigarette.

A wire? Yeah, he has an assist or an iron, like a hanger. And he straightened it out and curved the end so he could pick shit up with it. He's really creative. If you watch him play, he's amazing. Joe Rogan is getting the chat room right now. Everyone say hi from Jordan to Mikey. Hey, what's up, dude?

He's a badass guy, because this stuff, like, I did a report on him. The stuff he does, like, that he's able to do, drive, skateboard, surf, fish, with nothing. Drive? How does he drive? Yeah, it's like, so that's what he's building a new car now, but they're, like, extended pedals and, like, these

foot shifters. Yeah, but the guy in Texas has, like, much longer arms than this. This is incredible. So this guy, how does he write? Like when he's typing, how does he type? Yeah, with his nubs and his nose. He types with his nose?

Yeah, watch him switch weapons. Oh, he's dead right now. Wow. So he's fixing his... He's talking. Hi, Jordan. He's saying hi, Jordan. Yeah, yeah.

He's a homie. Wow. He's a cool dude. And his mindset is insane, you know? This guy is just like always just like, yeah, you just got to live life. And I'm just like, dude, do you know how many people complain about such menial shit compared to what you do? Yeah, no kidding, man. Well, perspective is a motherfucker. Do you know how many people complain about such menial shit compared to what you do? Yeah, no kidding, man. Well, perspective is a motherfucker.

Do you know if he's ticklish? No, I don't know. Hey, what's going on there with these guys in the game where they have money over their heads? So Counter-Strike works off economy. So you start with a pistol, you have $800. The more rounds you win, the more money you get, and the better guns you can get. Oh, how rude. And if you lose, that's like a big part of the competitive play is controlling your money because if you if you like force buy

It's called where you just buy everything every round if you keep losing you're not gonna have good inventory hmm Wow, this is a whole nother world you need to tell Mikey Dan head into deathmatch stream. Oh He's playing a game. He can't leave it. He's playing a competitive little... Let's go and check out a different game. Check out Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty. Let's check out Grand Theft Auto.

And let's see if anybody gets virtually raped. And when they do that virtual rape thing, you have to hack into the game, right? No, I mean, I rape people all the time. You can go into, like... No, we're talking about when you're playing a game. When I get in a game. You can go, like my we're talking about when you play the game when again again in a game You can go like one of my favorite things to do is go to a strip club and then block the front door and then throw

in Flash bomb or something gas Yeah, and they can't get out you could pretty much Like capture girl shit that guy just went flying through the air when we tuned in This is one of the most fun games to play and just fuck around with. Yeah, this is the game that me and Jamie like Twitch a lot together. Because we can just hang out, spend three hours just fucking stealing cars, going through a lot. You can go to the comedy store in this game, hang out.

And there's a new hack, because the PC version just came out. There's a new hack because the PC version just came out there's a new hack that lets you go inside the Comedy Store now when you play this Brian do you play this from your computer to use Xbox I use mostly Xbox but the PC version just came out so I have an old computer that I'm trying to you I need Jamie just got a brand new computer so he's playing kick-ass version of Grand Theft Auto but but the PC version's amazing. You just have to have a good computer. To process the graphics, is that what it is?

Yeah. Because these graphics are amazing. The road looks incredible. 4K broadcast. Yeah. 4K is ever high. FPS. I just sent out another tweet.

Yeah, the PC version does 4K, so you have to have, even some of the top-of-the-line computers won't even barely get all the options at high right now. They made this game to last because a computer in two years will still have problems probably putting this on mass. So if you wanted to get one of those Falcon Northwest top-of-the-line Alienware type jammies. 12 video cards. Yeah, and that could play it in full resolution or no? Especially Falcon or Alienware.

They're the best computers ever, Joe. They would be perfect at this. What are you trying to say? Are you trying to get them to send you one? Is that what you're doing? Raise their computers and make straight ones. What? What's that?

Four people talk at the same time, Jamie? What? What are you saying? No, I think, yeah, those would be perfect for this game. But you have to have the number one. What graphics card do you have, Jamie? You have, like, the... I have an okay one.

It's, like, an NVIDIA 960, but I think everyone's saying, like, you need, like, a 980. Do they still allow SLI, where they can link them all together? He knows a lot more about that than I do right now. I used to do that back in the day when I used to make my own computers. I heard, and then you had to throw it away. Couldn't take it. Shot them all.

The gaming addiction. Shot a lot of hard drives. Well, that's a double-edged sword, right? Addiction. When I used to make my own computers, I heard and then you had to throw it away Couldn't take it shot him all the game Shot a lot of double-edged sword right addiction you go far in things because you get real immersed in it, right? Yeah, it's just you got to understand your limitations. You got to know if you're a crazy person I know I'm a crazy person But it's good. Well, it's it's all because I my brain developed doing competitive martial arts So you if you don't get obsessed with that, then you get fucked up. Yeah, see, I was going to ask you, when you first got really into, like, wrestling and martial arts,

what else did you do at that point in your life, like, early on? Right? When I was 14, from the time I was 14 until the time I was 21, there was nothing else in life. Between 14 and 15, somewhere in Africa, when I first started. So it wears on you, you know? That's why, like, with gaming, I love it, and I always liked it. But, like, you start to realize if you want to do something else,

you can't just kind of have to do one, have to do the other. Well, it's also when you're doing this, you don't risk your physical health. Yeah, well, yeah. The martial arts thing, like, a lot of guys have a real problem, like UFC fighters and even boxers. They have a hard time figuring out what they're going to do when it's over because it's so immersive, like, every day. And it's a physically demanding thing. So every day when they get up in the morning, they know they have to do their training,

they have to do their physical conditioning, they have to do their, you know, all the different skill training, whether it's wrestling or kickboxing, whatever the fuck they have to do that day. When that day's over, they do a lot of this for relaxing. They'll play video games to relax and chill out or they'll watch television, but it's super hard to transition from that to some other life. Because they have a short life where their vehicle can...

It's like, say if someone gave you a computer, okay, and this computer can only handle the graphics that are available today, but the new graphics are coming down the line, but your computer can't handle it anymore you can't upgrade and your hard drive only has a certain amount of years on it your heart you can't yeah you can't change your hard drive and you can't change your memory you can't change all these different aspects that's essentially what it's

like to be an MMA fighter there's a very very short window computer to body yeah yeah it is because like you know computers if your hard drive goes bad you get a new hard drive if and then also when the graphics get updated they also update the graphics processors yeah there's nothing so for a fighter they have this really small window of opportunity and then when it's over it's fucking over man i mean there are very few competitive 60 year old fighters i mean it's just it is what it is. And when it's gone, there's nothing left, you know? But with gamers, you've got to think that there's got to be an age on that, too, where you can't react quick enough, especially first-person shooter type games.

Yeah, but I think that number has been growing. Because I think of someone like Timu San in the NHL, playing in the Stanley Cup at age 40, and you tell me I can't fucking play Counter-Strike at age 30. Better example. Bernard Hopkins is 50, and he's a world championship level boxer. I don't know if he has a title right now. So that's my point.

If he can still do that and still be into it and train and do everything he needs to do, I know I could play video games, especially now that you can actually make money off of it. He's an outlier, though. He's a very rare individual. And he is extremely disciplined about his diet and his health. Oh, yeah. And also his skill. His skill level.

He has a very defensive-oriented, like Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather will be able to, like, he'll be like 50, 60 years old. And he's probably going to be fine. I mean, he probably won't be fighting anymore. But he's not going to be damaged. He's probably going to be fine. I mean, he probably won't be fighting anymore, but he's not going to be damaged. Whereas, like, Ruslan Provodnikov, or someone along those lines who has, like, a very face-first, aggressive style, that guy is not going to be able to do that into his 50s.

He's not going to be able to be Bernard Hopkins unless he changes his style, like, radically. See, I obviously don't comprehend all the nuances of fighting, but I just think of that like someone playing a video game and I'm sitting here. Like, how can you tell me if I don't balance my physical health that I can't play? Well, you've got to worry about your reflexes. I mean, whether or not your reflexes are still maintained. Because I've got to think with video games,

you're dealing with such a small window of opportunity for, like, getting a shot off and stuff like that. Yep. That reaction time. Like, do you take vitamins? Do you fuck around with nootropics or anything along those lines? So there's this company. Nootropics recently just came under my radar,

and I've been trying it for the past couple months a little bit, but not too consistently. We'll get you some. We'll get you some AlphaBrain. Yeah, it'd be awesome to try. I'd love to do a sample a month or two or something because I take multivitamin, vitamin D, B12 in the day. I try to do that fish oil each day. But nootropics, I did it. It was like a Koyos or something because I take like multivitamin vitamin db12 in the day I try to do that fish oil each day but nootropics I did it was like a coyote or something I don't know the

brand exactly how to spell it but I would yeah I've always I've always been interested in it ever since I heard on your podcast first but I never knew what they're all well there's a bunch of different ones from different companies that I'm sure would probably benefit you do you fuck with caffeine do you I try not to tea here yeah i try not to overwhelm myself like coffee like i only got into coffee a couple years ago hmm um do you do you try to do that on purpose like to preserve your sanity like what do you uh coffee is one of those things where like depending on how little sleep i got and if i'm gonna compete right then knowing i just need energy for an hour i'll give myself a little coffee 30 minutes before so the jitters wear down But I have that little hour of uppity nests, but generally it was competition

I have two rules I like to get sleep, and I don't like to be on a full stomach when I compete so Yeah, that's a thing for comedy, too You should never have a full stomach when you do stand-up it'll fuck with your head Like if you have a full stomach you're slow it takes all your blood out of your brain doesn't it i might even resources just it's just general resources i don't want to go down that line here too much but i wanted to talk to you about that like when you first had what sparked your mind on getting into comedy because i was always like i wanted to try doing a stand-up at like the local comedy store in la jolla in san diego i was like i just want to do it like i don't care if i suck

then just do it yeah is that is that what you do you just literally go to an open mic night everybody sucks in the beginning there's no worries it's just to come up with some stuff that you think is funny write down anytime you have a funny idea either put it in your phone or write it down on a piece of paper and then um you know practice it sort of like get the idea of how you're gonna do it do you have like your demeanor or whatnot well just be yourself man that's the best you know like some people like they'll create a persona or stuff like but good luck with all that that's a pain in the ass the secret is just being yourself exfoliate exfoliate like who you are and just kind of be a clown i know i could be really good at self-depreciation

but deprecation deprecation appreciation self-deprecation is that one yeah yeah i used to say that too it's because you're reading it instead of saying it yeah but self self-deprecation. Deprecation. Appreciation. Self-deprecation is that one. Yeah, exactly. I used to say that too. It's because you're reading it instead of saying it. Yeah, but self-deprecation. It sounded right because you kind of depreciate. Yeah, it seems like the right thing to say. Your internal value over the course of the show. But yeah, man, just go do an open mic night.

You're a smart guy. You'd probably be able to pull it off. Just try, yeah. I think if you could get really good at video games, I really believe that if you get really good at anything, that most likely you can get good at anything that you direct your mind to. I mean, you probably wouldn't be a good linebacker because you're not a giant dude, nor would I. So it's like there's certain physical limitations, but if you're a really good video game player, if you put that kind of effort into becoming a stand-up, yeah, you could do it.

There's nothing prohibitive about it Oh, he's trying that's the fun part Well, you you get better, you know with effort with effort and thought and focus you get better you analyze it Did what that's an interesting point? Do you watch? Demos of your game. Do you play play them? Mmm, and then you watch it and go ooh, I should have done this differently, or I have to work on that. Yeah, it's definitely, that's probably the most, like, tedious part of it. Like, you've got

to make sure you're watching from both point of views, your opponent's and yours. And you rewatch them, and yeah, and you're right, that's how you get successful in anything. With Counter-Strike, I think that was one of the differences with me as a young kid, is everyone was just playing for fun, but when I was like 14, 15, right away i started

studying the top players what are they doing and i didn't necessarily do what they did it just gave me a lot of confidence to know that there's not there's patterns in some areas and in other areas it's open to there's variables you could do whatever you want in this type part of the game you could be good at this style or that style just like in fighting right there's a lot of different styles right so i noticed that early on i just by studying So yeah, you just you kind of immerse yourself and figure out what your natural Skill set is for me in counter-strike. I had really good just like shooting abilities, but like early on I was so aggressive so hungry to get into the fight early that obviously if I'm not communicating that with my teammates Or I get over ambitious with a play

Then all of a sudden I'm gonna die even though I just killed two people and it seems like we should win the round but i killed two and then went and died for no reason whereas i can kill two play passive let someone else take the reins like those are things i had to develop more over the game and you have to you have to study that because there's a lot of kids who think they could be a pro video game player because they just have the good shot oh i'm a really good sniper well what kind of person are you how do you communicate how do you like let your teammates play off you how do you play off them do you like let your teammates play off you? How do you play off them? Yeah, there's a big difference when you're talking about team gaming right? Yeah gaming versus one-on-one gaming Yeah, but even just obviously knowing what you're good and bad at right so you don't just have ignorance when you go play Someone's really good at something. Yeah, well, I'm just gonna fuck him up at this

Well, no, he's really technically good at that. You're technically not as good as him at that You should probably shy away from that unless you have some way to surprise him Hmm. Yeah, that's interesting. Now, are there different schools of thought? Like, are there different, like, do people train people in this? Like, do you have, like, coaches? So I give lessons for 60 bucks an hour. You give lessons!

60 bucks an hour, I'll teach you how to play. For real? Yeah. Holy shit. How does that work? Like, what do you do? You sit down there and watch them or you do it online? I make them fill out a questionnaire beforehand so that they beforehand so I ask them to assess themselves. They answer like 10 questions that I ask their experience, how long they've played competition wise, what they think their qualities

are that are good, bad and then we meet up after they fill that out we choose a schedule and then we meet up online on the headset. I picture and picture with their screen and then we go on a server together and I just talk to them about some things you need to know just about timings. If they don't have a lot of questions, some kids are shy or they just want me to lecture them. So I go off and I

say interrupt me when you have a question. Other kids have a lot of specific questions about why am I not able to hit these kind of shots. I seem like I can do it in team deathmatch practice, but not when I do a competition. I seem to get really rigid and timid. How can I stay loose when I really want to win and there's pressure on the line? You know, how do I? So I just, whether it's a psychological help or literal technical things, I just try to help people. So what this seems to me, it's like from the outside, people are looking at this like it's some frivolous, silly thing that people who really need to grow up are involved in but from from an objective perspective without the cultural context of how people look at video games it seems to me like a very complex multi-tasked sort of a skill-based

competition it's it's problem solving at a very high level because you're factoring a bunch of different things. You also have social interaction with all the different people in your group. Team or community. Your team.

And then on top of that, you have to factor in the playing styles, various different aggressive or defensive playing styles of the people you're going up against. There's a lot of complexity involved that I think the average person

probably wouldn't understand unless maybe they talked to someone like you. Yeah, exactly. Someone, when I said I was doing this podcast, wanted me to try to compare it to fighting and have you talk to me about the meta of fighting and the small nuances. You could tell if a guy stepped a little weird, what does that represent? Is his right side hurting or something like that.

In Counter-Strike, there's all these little things that I know that the outside has no idea just happened because I could see the guy's face. Because you've been there. Because I've been there and I've watched it happen. And the reason that guy's playing so aggressive right now is a front. Like he has no health. He has no grenades left. He's trying to like scare me away from the bomb site.

I know that's what he's doing. So I'm just going to run in and kill him simply. Oh, that's interesting. So it's what they call information chunking. You know, like you've seen it all so many times before and you know the scenario, so you're like, I see what's happening here. So the top people play off that information, right?

Like fighting, I'm sure that's what they work off of, right? Well, yeah. I mean, there's scenarios that you, like sometimes people say, like how did you predict something in a fight? And I'm like, well, I've kind of seen it so many times before. Like, or there's also certain subtleties, like, from actually competing. Like, when a guy will turn his hips, there's certain things where I know a guy's going to spin.

And I'm like, he's going to spin. And then they'll throw a spin. And what it is is from fighting, from actually fighting. And you know his strengths, so you know he wants his proclivity to do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, pretty much there's very few guys who don't spin anymore. Like spinning back fists at the very least, but spinning back kicks are getting more and more prevalent. Like even Frankie Edgar, who's like primarily known as a wrestler, is throwing a lot of spinning back kicks.

It's just a really effective technique. But the point being that it's just I know that it's going to happen just because I've seen it so many fucking times. It's a very subtle movement that people will make that you have to like, your brain goes into that information chunking mode and they go, oh, this slight shift of his hips equates to that. So if you see a guy who's like behaving in a certain way, like, ah, I've fucking seen that before.

And it's not a conscious thought, right? Just like you were saying with fighting. It's a culmination of thoughts and things you've experienced. Boom, it hits you. That's what's happening. Well, that's with chess, too. Those guys that play chess, they say that when they're playing that speed chess,

they've seen this game so many times. They've seen those moves. That blows me away when those guys have those clocks and they're slapping the clock and moving with peace. Yeah, they're trying to play like 7 ten steps ahead because they realize oh that's three options four options one option ten options eleven options have you ever seen those old school videos of uh eddie fisher or bobby fisher but i watched that what was that movie searching for bobby fisher yeah well that was about josh waitzkin who's actually a jujitsu player now

he uh is his something to do with marcelo Garcia. I believe he's a black belt under Marcelo. But Josh Waitzkin, it was the, I think that was who they were designing or patterning that movie. I don't know how much of it

was based on real life. But the Bobby Fisher, the original videos, it's really fascinating because he would play like 10 games at a time. Yeah. And he would walk down this conference table and just move the pieces like see if you can find bobby fisher

playing multiple video games or multiple multiple chess games that was in the movie right and probably i think there's one stage where they're in like a little hall and he's walking around playing all of them and these guys are like thinking hard about their one game with him and he's just kicking their ass like 10 people's asses at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, well, there's just, again, it's information chunking. Like he looks down and to me it's, since I don't play chess, I go, well, okay, I know that a rook can move like that and this one can move that way

and a pawn can only do this, but he's got the whole map set up in his head. He's seen it. And just to circle this back around, I think that is people do have a tough time when they look at Counter-Striker, when they look at Quake, knowing what to look for. What are the indicators? What are the goals here? You watch football or ice hockey you say, okay, well they're doing a breakout. This guy's floating deep in the neutral zone. He's probably going to look for

a pass. Okay, that's why the defender is staying back with him. It's much more linear. You're on one square field. When you start playing these video games in all these rooms, everyone's like, what the fuck is going on? It's still there. Well, if you watch like Floyd Mayweather fight, like, one of the things that's amazing about Floyd Mayweather

is how he's able to kind of dictate his opponent's movements. People give him shit, too, for this. They're like, he's a pussy. I'm like, dude, this guy... Calling him a pussy is so ridiculous. That is probably one of the most delusional things you could ever do is call Floyd Mayweather a pussy. He's winning the fight. Well, he's 48-0 as a professional boxer and a multiple-time world champion.

Kind of hard to call him a pussy. You want people to take your opinion seriously? Yeah, they get angry because they spent $100. Like, I want to see blood everywhere. Yeah, they just don't understand boxing. It's not Mike Tyson. His movement, though, what's fascinating about it is he's able to take these guys that are normally high-volume attackers, and he slows their movement

and slows their volume output considerably by him dictating how they move. He just is so much better at that. They, they don't get comfortable and they don't know exactly what to do because every time they go do something, they get popped. And so they have to recalculate and they don't, he doesn't give them the breaks and the openings that they're accustomed to

getting. And that's all just because what's also is information chunking is just better than theirs because he's put in more time than they have and thought about it more because he has a really good brother or really good father, rather, who fought Sugar Ray Leonard. His father who trained him fought Sugar Ray Leonard way back in the day, Floyd Mayweather Sr. And then his uncle is Roger Mayweather, who's a world champion as well. And he's got other people in his family that were really good boxers as well. So this kid was indoctrinated into boxing. Intuitively just connected to it.

So his mind is like, he's got all these and I'm sure he's a student of the game so he's probably watched a million fights and he knows what goes wrong when you do this. People just try to bring him down for other things not related to it. All the other things are valid. Well, yeah. Seems like a piece of shit as a human being.

I'm just saying that's what they immediately go to which is is like, okay, well, we're watching a fight. Like, he's fighting. Right. You can talk about his, like, reading proclivity or whatever they're talking about. Yeah. People bring that up right away. It is kind of embarrassing, but he's here to fight. I know.

It is kind of weird that he can't read. But, you know, I mean, that's. That's a lot of money. That's an unbalanced thing. You know, if you spend that much time boxing and slapping chicks, you don't have much time for reading, you know? And counting those bills. I wonder if he could count the money he has. That's a lot of money.

He probably can count but can't write. Well, I think he can read. It's just a struggle. He's just not very good at it. But isn't it crazy? We're talking about all this, like, intuitive genius he has and he can't transfer it over. Well, it's probably amount of effort. how much effort has he put into reading it was probably very little when did he how old was he when he went pro i don't know i believe he was 19 um he was in the olympics and

he lost a very controversial decision to a guy who's like in destitute poverty now. It's really interesting. They had an article about the last guy to beat Floyd Mayweather. I forget what publication had it, but this guy from some country, Eastern Bloc country I think it was. It might have been Russia or something like that, Bulgaria. I don't know. Making shit up.

China? Yeah. Hedge my bets. But this guy was a really good boxer and apparently got a gift decision over Floyd Mayweather and then went on to get involved in a bunch of shady characters and, you know, his career fell apart. But that was the last time anybody beat Floyd Mayweather. And that was, again, like when Floyd was 19. He's 38 now. Epic. Yeah. time ago good for him. Yeah, I mean look

There's lessons to be learned even in the shittiest human beings you can look at what they're successful at and even in the shittiest human beings There's lessons also learning What's the price of success and whether or not you're willing to pay that price. Because oftentimes the price is foolishness. Like if you have to become a bad person to be really great at something, what are the benefits of being great other than financial success? Yeah, scoring, getting those points, accumulating wealth. Is that more important than the way you're treated by your peers your community your friends and family well you said what you had a black belt i remember reading like 15 or something i think i was 16 i started training in karate when i was 14 got super serious about taekwondo when i was 15

before i was 17 i was a black belt so i mean it sounds like you obviously made a big sacrifice early on you've been doing that your whole life right you've been diving into things i didn't have anything else so it's like most of your friends are probably in that realm right and nah well not now a lot of my comedians but at the time yeah it was my whole world but i didn't have anything else like i was socially retarded i didn't have like anything going on like i wasn't academically inclined i didn't like school i just moved into a new neighborhood when i was 14 i felt ostracized i didn't feel like i was i didn't have any friends yeah well i was in newton so where i was uh it was a suburb of boston so it was like you could

say like i sacrificed but it wasn't like i had all these friends that i couldn't hang out with and i had like this family that was missing me no i was like you know my parents were i was a latchkey kid so my parents were working all day and you know, I would I just didn't I didn't have anything else So I found this one thing that I felt like could give me some value I could have some I Felt like I had some personal worth From this from getting good at something and then once I got good at it was like wow This is the first thing that I've ever done that gives me like a good feeling by being good at whereas like my life before that was kind of depressing it

was like going from one community to another go constantly moving no friends being bullied I hated all of that and then the being bullied part is what led me into martial arts and it's very minor bullying like nobody really hurt but it's more psychological than anything. Just being nervous all the time, being scared of people. You know, and I wasn't a big guy. I was little. So there was, like, so many different things about it that made martial arts appealing.

But then the big thing was once I started doing it, it just became my whole life. It became everything. And then that's when I realized, oh, I'm kind of a crazy person. You know, and all I have to do is, like, find things. And then those things when I realized oh, I'm kind of a crazy person You know and all I have to do is like find things and then those things become my whole life and the problem with me Was that that from the time I was 15 till I was 21 that was sort of my? Developmental period of becoming an adult so that is how my brain formed and it's like really Laser-beam focused kind of insane way where I don't give a fuck about anything else. And that's what my problem was

with video games. Because once I started playing video games, somebody would be talking to me if I didn't like what they were saying, if I was bored, I would just start playing video games in my head. I'd be like, I could be playing video games right now. I could be playing Quake. I could be fucking hitting something. It's a double-edged sword. It's like, oftentimes people that are

really, really good at something are super unbalanced. I was going to say I could resonate with different things you're saying. Well, that's why I see with you, I appreciate the fact that you have put a lot of thought into, like, doing things, going outside, playing hockey, getting a real life on top of this video game thing. Because obviously if you're really good at this game, which obviously you are are really good at it you must have a sort of obsessive mind there's no way there's no like i have a quote that i use all the time that i came up with a long time ago is that greatness and insanity are next door neighbors and they bar each other's sugar because it really is true you you greatness and madness are so closely related. There's almost no way around it.

Because you have to, in order to achieve a super high level of something, you have to be able to do it better than the other people. You have to have more of an understanding of it. And the only way to do that is you have to not pay attention to other shit. You know, you can't be learning five different languages and you know also pursuing a degree in complex mathematics and also doing this and also learning how to play guitar and also having a girlfriend who demands all your time where are you going what are you doing what about me what about us where we're going where's this heading i'm not sure if you're committed i haven't really thought about that

lately i've been i just kicked someone in the the face I'm a double black belt broads They want it all they want you all the time. Where are you? What about what about our career? I as a gamer That's the best excuse. Sorry. I'm I gotta play a video game for legit chicks Probably don't really get excited about dating a super high level. I don't have too many groupies abroad or here but abroad Occasionally there's like girls who it's like they have more Like of a new like a respect right away You could tell they're trying to put their best foot forward when they meet you Yeah here girls when they meet you and you're their friends like their boy their friend is like hey by the way this guy's really

Good at video games. They want to kind of have their wall up right away like who's this kid like oh, he's really good It's and that's fun. That's cute. You have a a lot of followers here and i'm just like sweet bitch fuck you wow how rude no but there's there's a are there are there video game groupies though are there like definitely there are yeah because there's like pool groupies i mean i used to play pool all the time the guys who are like really good they would have girls that would like want to bang them yeah i'm not gonna sit here and say we have like gamer orgies everywhere, but there are girls who just, they either linger or they come to events or they try to like interact with you in weird ways online

so that when they do show up at the event, you like pay attention to them versus the other. It's like weird interactions. It's pretty funny. Yeah, that's how weird like they're putting out little seeds, little flirtation seeds to try to get attention when they see you in the physical form. And then that's the best excuse of being a gamer because you're playing a video game. You're like, no, no, no, honey, I'm practicing. Really, you're actually not doing shit.

You're just on the computer. Practicing. So, yeah, team practice. Immerse yourself, baby, as you said. Don't get anywhere without it. It is interesting. There's a difference in men and women when it comes to what's attractive to them. Because with a man, it's not attractive that a girl's really good at games. I mean it might be on top of that watching girls play counter-strike to me

I'm always just like I have to look away There's few that are pretty good, but to me too normally it just immediately turned off my god Well, that's the same with stand-up comedy One of the biggest turn offs ever is if you like a girl and she's a comic and then she's fucking terrible and you're like, Oh, it's over. Got to get out of here. Nice to meet you. Yeah. If you're dating a girl and she's a comic and she's bad at it, you might as well be dating a dude. You know what I mean? It's like, it's such a turnoff. Unless you're gay and then dating a dude is what you're looking for. But you get my point. If you're dating a girl who sucks at something that you're really good at,

it for whatever reason just immediately kills any attractive quality that she might have. What if she just like whipped my ass at golf or something? I still feel like I just. Some guys are fine. Like pool is a big one for men. They find it demoralizing. They get very intimidated by a woman that's better than them. Some guys, even at professional levels, will play a really good woman,

a high-level professional woman, and fall apart because they're nervous to play a woman. They don't want to lose to a woman. I could say from the past, I've played the best Counter-Strike girl teams in the world for events because they don't go to all the same ones, but they have separate events. When you play them, it does feel like a lose-lose. You're just like, alright, I'm going to either crush them or barely beat them, or if I lose, then it's even worse.

Even if I win, I'm expected to crush them. So you play them and you're just like, I've lost a couple rounds before I won any versus a girl. I'm like, fuck. And if you lose to them and then you have to talk to them, are you intimidated? Do you feel insecure? I mean, at this point in my career, I know all the best girls, so they're kind of my friends

in the game. But yeah, I'm sure at certain points for the guys coming up, they want to be pro male player and they play a girls team and lose, they're probably like, fuck. I'm going to walk out of the room quietly. Yeah, I remember watching pool tournaments and say like a Jeanette Lee or someone like that would enter the tournament.

And someone who would play, like, really good would fall apart in front of her. Because they just couldn't deal with the possibility of losing to this, like, really pretty girl. Like, they just, they wanted to impress her and they would miss nine balls and just, like, shit. Yeah, the perception. Men, bigger, stronger, faster. Well, it's not even just that. It's, like, men have to win. You know, they have this, this I have to win thing.

And if you don't win, your self-worth, like, you devalue who you are. I've heard you talk about this stuff in the past, the caveman mindset, right? Back in the day, you just dominate your cave, you hunt, you gather. Well, that's the reason why. I mean, there's competition over breeding. I mean, that's really what it is. The competition over breeding is, you know, hunter-gatherer competition. And then it's like fighting off neighboring tribes that are trying to come in and take them.

It's all like, it's the reason why men are such assholes. It's all, it's benefited the genes. I mean, that's really what it is. I mean, obviously we're moving past that because, you know, as technology and society and culture evolves and changes and grows and becomes more and more complex, that stuff becomes less and less necessary. But the genetics and the proclivity, the inclination rather, is always still there. The competition. So when men lose to women, like especially in games like pool, it fucking drives them crazy. Because they can't just like overwhelm them with strength or anything yeah ping pong some chick whacks that ball by

you ping pong fuck fuck damn yeah ping pong's intense ping pong's very intense i'm not interested in it whatsoever you know aubrey aubrey plays ping pong really good he's like let's play ping pong like let's go fuck yourself. Stupid fucking game. You ever been to those bars though that have all sorts of games in them? Like they have like shuffleboard, pool, ping pong. Foosball drives me nuts. That's so stupid. But when you're drunk. Yeah, but it's just, it's just, you don't have enough control over that stupid fucking, those shifters. They don't have enough movement.

You know, it's like. Oh yeah, pissing me off. The ball's going through the middle. Fuck, I'm going to grab that shit and throw it out. You can't even get to it sometimes. It's like, you can't... It's, you don't have... Like, one of the things that I hate about when you play video games like an Xbox controller... Oh, God.

...was how, like, it doesn't... It's not nearly as precise. Dude. You get used to that WASD on the keyboard and the mouse and it becomes a part of who you are. I have so many stories where I go to a house or a party or something and everyone's like, that's fucking Pro Gamer Kid. And then everyone's like, play me at FIFA right now

or play me in this game on Xbox. I'm like, I don't fucking play those games. I don't care to be good at them. And they're like, oh, so I can beat you. I'm fucking better than the Pro Gamer Kid. And I'm like, alright, cool, dude. You're really sick. That is an issue though right? switching from a mouse and a keyboard to those Xbox controllers

I could probably in Counter Strike if you were to pick up all my friends I could play 1 on 10 against kids probably playing with an Xbox controller 1 on 10? 1 on 5 I did something for Microsoft a long time ago where they wanted to actually see if the synergy was good to let Xbox kids play me online and I played these kids one on four and I didn't even need sound

I was just like running around killing everyone because they're so limited with their range of motion Yeah, that it's not just me. I'm a lot of my friends could do this that are pro level I'm not just some God, but it's just the difference between isn't that something that they also put into the The game engine to make it easier to aim with those things like Auto aiming yep, and I fucks up the precision right yeah, and then everyone has these things that are extenders for the joystick So it's like longer, so you have an easier time Manipulating the joystick so you know the little thumb pad basically makes them twice as long and that gives you more control I guess they're called

Yeah, how much more control is it more like a mouse or is not quite just makes it a little bit better to all like the call duty and halo pros at first-person shooter pros use them on console but none of them are that's the thing that sticks up above it oh I see ten-year-old uses that hmm so it just makes it slightly better but still not as good as mouse and keyboard why don't they have mouse and keyboard for these fucking things? They do. They have shitty adapters.

Yeah, but nobody plays them. No, you can use Bluetooth. Nowadays, you can use Bluetooth keyboards, right? There's a bunch of input lag when you use them, but they do make them. Yeah, that's what I had heard. There was a lag between... But they're not allowed in tournaments. They're not.

You have to use those things. Yeah, like I couldn't show up and just wax a Call of Duty tournament. But if I was able to plug in my mouse and keyboard, I could probably. But that doesn't make any sense to me that they would even have those fucking stupid things. Why not just have mouse and keyboards? That's the best input. We always joke that PC players are the master race because we always say that. That's like a joke between the communities.

Let the casual guys play on their Xbox and PlayStation. And that's what it is. It's just casual gamers. Let the casual guys play on their Xbox and PlayStation. And that's what it is. It's just casual gamers. Right. Like, I'd rather lay back on my couch and play a game Grand Theft Auto than have my keyboard and mouse and sit there and try to twitch and kill people. Yeah, that's what's cool about the keyboard or the controller. I used to have a thing called, fucking, what was it called?

I don't remember what the fucking name was. But it had a trackball and a handle. Yep. but a joystick and you would move it around you would shoot with the trigger was kind of cool because you could actually shoot with a trigger and you would aim with the trackball and the trackball was pretty cool yeah but not quite as good as a mouse and keyboard it was like a step below like the really good guys can still fuck you up with it but then once i switched over to a mouse and keyboard then all of a sudden i was moving with my left hand and shooting and aiming with my right as opposed

to shooting with my right and moving and aiming with my left that'd be a mind fuck for me i know people use that for like photoshop i think trackballs yeah yeah they have like they just move it around but a trackball is not nearly as precise as a mouse not probably not nowadays seems like it's weird because like games are really the proving ground for like precision because it's so critical well that's what's funny when these new these peripheral companies like logitech or yeah logitech is one of my sponsors when they make a new mouse they've they've recently the past couple years they have the technology to make amazing stuff but they always add like little like ridges or something on the mouse that as pro gamers like

like to grip the mouse weird and the sensor they on the mouse that as pro gamers like like to grip the mouse weird and the sensor they add these specs that like don't really apply to our range of motion they put like a million dpi you could track well i'm not going to swipe my arm across the room like i have a certain range of motion and yeah i don't know the controllers essentially need um i kind of lost my train of thought there They had those Razer mice When I was playing They were still a ball mouse It was still a ball back then I know they're laser now

But they had a weird shape that they had created That some people liked and other people hated I could never kind of get used to it It was way weirder than that Back in the day The original Razer mouse Those are logitech that's a microsoft right there see there's a little like keypad on the top left that's weird

yeah but those this is not um none of these are the thing that i was talking about but this is new shit that they're doing this is one look what's that one that split keyboard down a little lower jamie right there What the fuck is that thing? So since you know a lot of people do WSD, so you got your left hand and then... I guess that's the right-handed version of the thing. Oh, this is just an idea. This is a concept. But I've played on something like that

just for one, my left hand only. It's just the WASD. What's your favorite mouse? I use a Logitech G100S. It's very... It's ambidextrous, so it's very simple. It's. It is trackball. You'll find a lot of the pro gamers, they don't need any more than like three to five buttons on their mouse.

Like the World of Warcraft people are casual gamers. They have all these millions of buttons and lights and switches. And that's kind of fun because you have all these macro binds for the spells. But for our game, we just like something that you can grip. It's not overwhelming in your hand or has a weird center of because you have all these macro binds for the spells before our game We just like something you can grip. It's not Overwhelming in your hand or has a weird center of gravity or has all these lights We just need to grip it well and have good tracking It's pretty simple now if a new game came out like say you know There's Call of Duty and all these different games and new game out came out

It became the shit and you started see that trend where everybody was slowly drifting off to that game what do you do do you decide okay i've got to fucking pick this game up and if you do are you starting from scratch are you starting from like halfway uh i guess it depends how new the game is like current call of duties if it was on pc i'd be i'd be above average i would probably be a decent competitive player you have to learn all the maps and then the metagame is gone obviously because there's no information chunks that exist at this point. It's a new sport. It's literally a new sport now.

I don't know. It depends. If the game has so much support, how viable is it as a job? What do I need to do to make money? Do I need to win every tournament? Do I need to just be a top 100 competitor? Would you dip your toes in? Would you start fucking with it occasionally and then say, I gotta figure out what to do here like how do you know where the tide's going

yeah you don't always but you can kind of tell based off like player numbers right like counter-strike grow counter-strike go the game i play has kind of had like an exponential growth the past like year and a half still uh yeah recently got a reinsurgence because they took the model of league of legends where you can customize all the shit in the game Counter-Strike got a little bland for people because it was the same thing always but now they've made it so you can customize the way your gun looks and all these little gimmicky things that are pretty cool but they don't really change the game and that brought in new players new money which makes the game developer put more money into it keep updating the nuances maybe there's a glitch in the old game they would never fix it because that's it

they're not going to release a new version when the next one comes out have fun well with counter-strike they constantly update it and upgrade it so that you could tell how popular the game is by just how the community vibe is how many tournaments are happening whatnot like dota league of legends they have tournaments all the time counter-strike we have tournaments all the time quake they have quake con now they don't really have any more tournaments it just kind of slowly died down maybe lack of interest. Back then they didn't have the same model. The game developers, that is. To make money. They would just

release a game. They make money. And Quake, the players don't really have an opportunity to make money. Not at this point. They don't have to do this Twitch thing. Yeah, so a couple of them. I know the top Quake players and if they had Twitch now and the game was still big, they would all be in a similar boat as I am, but

unfortunately, the game kind of plateaued and the bubble popped before Twitch got big and they just, there's no tournaments. They just don't have anywhere to compete. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. How do you avoid being one of those guys? It seems to me that... You know, it's kind of volatile. You don't really know, especially if you're like a StarCraft player. Those guys

play StarCraft. Like, there's not many other shooter games, or StarCraft-style games you can go play. Right. Yeah, if StarCraft goes away, you're fucked. starcraft player those guys play starcraft like there's not many other shooter games or starcraft style games you can go play right yeah if starcraft goes away you're fucked moba has the most options so moba is the multiplayer online battle arena that's dota league of legends and heroes of new earth they're basically almost the same game one guy really they're they're literally one guy created dota through the warcraft 3 brand a long time ago and it had like one map and that's it there's like three lanes and whatnot. And all these other games since there was like, this guy independently made the map, I think it was.

Mad Frog, Ice Frog or something. I forget his name. And basically League of Legends, Dota, and Heroes of New Earth, three different game developers. They're almost the same concept game. Everything's have slightly different heroes and champions and spells. But basically they normally say like people who can't go pro in Dota go pro in League of Legends.

People who can't go pro in League of Legends go pro in Heroes of Newerth. So it's like this succession of almost the same game, but just like more and more money and more and more tournaments. If you put me in a time machine from back when I was playing Quake and then like in the 90s and then jumped me here

today, I'd be like, what in the actual fuck is going on? Yeah. I want to see this League of Legends shit. Show me some video game streaming. No? Nope. I just want to see what they're doing. It looks like an iPad game. Yeah? Yeah. But how is it so popular? It's super casual

friendly. This is it here so so it's it caters a lot there's a shit ton of girls and kids and scott jorgensen just sent me a text message thanks for the twitch shout out homie because he's got a giant twitch so this is the game um yeah so it's league of legends yeah this is i honestly don't even play the game so i couldn't tell you what the fuck is going on. I know vaguely what's going on. It's what? It's free to play.

It's free to play. So that was one of the first games that made their money model not off selling the game, but off all the things you could buy in the game. Microtransactions. What do you think about microtransactions? Those are gross. So that's kind of, I guess I didn't use the right term, but that's what I was talking about earlier.

That's what CSGO has now, microtransactions. Those are really problematic for people on phones. That's why Quake was never as big, though, because if CSGO has now, microtransactions. Those are really problematic for people on phones. That's why Quake was never as big, though, because if they had this model of microtransactions, you could change the way your laser gun works

or your rocket gun. That seems like a fuck. That would have been like... I mean, even though it might be a dollar or two dollar transaction, if 300,000 kids are doing it a week,

you're going to see some return. It seems like they're fucking you, though. Like, I don't like that. So they're like, they have a champion they choose, right? And they run around and there's these little fucking you, though. Like, I don't like that. So they're like, they have a champion they choose, right? And they run around, and there's these little, like, minions. I honestly don't really even understand the game too much.

So that guy with the green health bar next to him, he's the main one, and that's his crew mobbing behind him. That sucks. So these are superheroes, I guess? Is that what this is? Not necessarily superheroes, but heroes meaning they're just, like, they're super strong. Those are, you choose, because they have different skill sets right one might be more have more defense

So they call him like a tank. He's really strong with his defense some are better at attacking Maybe they attack better close range. Maybe they attack better long range, so you try it's five or five normally So the pro teams go they're strategizing a do we need don't know. I honestly don't know, but they need, like, you know, close range attackers, a tank, this guy, that guy. Do you play a lot of Destiny? No, I would play it if it was on PC, but I just honestly, first person shooters, like, I can't spend my free time playing them anymore unless I'm going to casually play it on Steam. This is ugly to look at, though. It looks badass, though. Yeah, it seems like a game that you would like.

Do you think this looks, oh, you're talking about this looks badass? No, no, no, Destiny, the shooter game. Okay, the other game. No think this looks... Oh, you're talking about this looks badass? No, no, no. No, no, Destiny. Okay, the other game. No, this, I've just never connected to it, you know? Stupid. In Counter-Strike and Quake, you see it, you feel it, you ebb and flow. Their strategy is very intuitive. Yeah, go to Counter-Strike 1.

Let's just, just for, just for perspective. So let's see a good person. Scroll down. So, there's not really any pros playing right now. You can go to the top, though. Actually, scroll down. I saw a name, Robin Official. One more down. So there's not really any pros playing right now. You can go to the top, though. Actually, scroll down. I saw a name, Robin Official. One more down.

Right in the middle right there. Click that guy. He's an old Swedish pro. Okay. He hasn't been playing in a while. So this is so much more interesting to me. So he's running out of spawn right now. This is a gun round.

He's got an AK-47. But this is like you're watching like the map. It's three dimensional. So he's going to see a guy on the left here most likely. I just couldn't imagine why other games don't do it just like this. Like this. He just got jacked. So now his teammate traded the kill.

So it's good. And then they got another kill. So they're an advantage right now. Four versus three. Now it's a three versus three. Yeah. That's nice. What I'm talking.

Yeah. Exactly. Nobody knows the fuck you're talking about. No, no, no. I'm just pointing at it. Right. The kills. So like.

But this is so much more fun to look at. Oh, yeah. Like, if you're playing it, too, it's like it's so much more immersive. Like, you feel like this is going on. When you're looking down and everyone has, like, a bar with a health bar above their head and you're throwing spells and you're looking down, it's just so bizarre looking. Yeah. And as I said earlier, in League of Legends, when someone's getting out-skilled or they're winning a round,

it's normally pretty drawn out. 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes. What's cool about Counter-Strike and very intuitive for a spectator is that right there, you just run in and die, right? It happens quicker. With Counter-Strike, the physics are very similar to real-life physics.

You can't do any weird shit. You can do weird shit in Quake where you can jump a little higher than you really would be able to. You can't lay down in. Like, you can't do any weird shit. Like, you can do weird shit in Quake where you can jump a little higher than you really would be able to. You can't lay down in this game. You can't prone. You can duck, stand, and walk. And run.

You can prone in some games. Call of Duty, you can, like, do some weird shit where you, like, jump and then slide. It's called supermanning, I think. You, like, jump and, like, extend and lay down. It's weird. Wow. Do you get stadiums of people watching you guys

play your final matches, like League of Legends does? Yeah yeah like korea yeah the biggest one i was at recently was in poland we filled up there's like a 20 000 person arena 20 000 people i was in the final for that but it was awesome to watch so you were watching and these guys were playing and 20 000 people were there you have a video on my instagram where i'm like shooting it over my shoulder and everyone's like nip vertice pro and i it over my shoulder and everyone's like NIP Virtus Prime like screaming the team names and it's epic because The arena is now 20,000 people screaming that and they normally set it up like every player has a projector to their point of view

So there's like 10 projectors and then one giant projector for the commentators. Wow, this is a color a play-by-play Where do you think this is going? Like what do you if you had to envision if you had to prognosticate and you look at where games are right now and you try to extrapolate look you know five ten years in the future what do you think it's gonna be i'm not ray kurzweil but let's see if you were if i was ray if you're you i don't think it's i don't think it's success basically i think what we've realized in the community and a lot of these top people who run the companies realizes that like tv and the mainstream routes that everyone wants to go like reality TV

Let's show the gamers behind the scenes that shit just isn't what is necessary for this world So what they're doing now and what I think it'll turn into is what you're currently seeing now just a little bit higher production quality and more More cater to the players when they have an events maybe players lounges, better warm-up areas. I think everything's gonna be somewhat similar, but tidy it up just enough to make all the narratives of the pro teams more clear to the mainstream, to make when you watch, like to make all the information much more presented clearly, because obviously not anyone watching will say, oh that's their ammo, how much ammo do they have left. That's not really what I was asking.

I'm just saying, I think that's, think it's going to keep growing and i and i think you're not going to see these astronomical changes where we're like every match is in a huge madison square garden that's not really what i meant either i meant with with video games themselves yeah like it seems like the games themselves are getting more and more complex and more and more immersive. Where could this possibly be going? It sounds like virtual reality type stuff. Do you think that's a possibility? The Oculus Rift thing that Carmack was talking about, you don't think so, Brian?

No. What do you think? I think there's going to be something that's going to trump that. I think it's nice. It's a fun little gimmick type thing. The thing we were talking about earlier about people getting sick and how heavy it is and stuff. I in 10 or 15 years that's just going to be like a beta test of what we're talking about and it's probably going to be just like a contact lens that you put in your eye and it turns your living room so that i can't comprehend that technology and like you

said exponential growth the technology is insane we might just have one chip we might not need a oculus we might just have a little tablet thing we put by our temple, and all of a sudden you're experiencing this with no fatigue. Well, have you seen those goggles that turn the whole world into a desktop? The video game? Someone posted a crazy video I want to play. It's called The Void. It's the HD version.

I'll show you. It's Oculus. Oh, okay. Here we go. Go full screen. Start it from the beginning. Okay, here we go go full screen start it from the beginning The void

Cool graphics what if you could explore new dimensions new worlds? from your bedroom Where dreams become reality. They build a space in a warehouse. And imagination has no limits. Whoa. Yes, you know I'm down. Okay, so this guy has virtual reality goggles on, unparalleled visuals and body tracking.

Oh, so you're wearing some crazy vest. Oh my God, this guy's walking through a warehouse and things are coming at them. Oh my God. Virtual worlds built over physical environments. This is it. Jamie, you just answered my question. This is the fucking future. So I definitely think like laser tag will get yeah

It's like little laser tag things will be different mental effects. Oh My and this is for the super casual player obviously, right? Yeah super casual. I'm saying like single-player games, right? You're playing your own journey story right here. Not casual meaning this is a place where you would rent out, like, a laser tag and... Virtual tag. I don't ever see this taking over where it's in your house. No, but this could be like an arena, like where you play football. I mean, this could be the future where you're watching people play in a warehouse. See, I think that's like when I'm a grandpa.

This is amazing. I don't think this is going to be when you're a grandpa, dude. I think this is going to be a game where you accidentally get your girlfriend pregnant and this exists. Whoa, look at this. Like, super soon. This is nuts, man. These guys all have fake swords and they're, oh my god, there's

various games that you can play. And they're fighting against dragons with swords. This is fucking badass. This is all a concept, though, obviously. Well, it seems like they were showing the actual physical environment like they're creating it. I think it's like a demo of what they're making.

CGI on top of it. Well, let's go to TheVoid.com and find out. Go to TheVoid.com and see what the fuck. How'd they get The Void? They must have had to pay for that bitch. That was my point. I don't think that'll enter esports.

That's, I guess, why I went down the other path of talking. Like, I don't know how that would enter esports. Something I... That's what... So you're primarily

concerned with the sport, professional sport aspect. Yeah, well, that's what my mind attached to it. 2016. Pleasant Grove, Utah. Huh.

Next summer. So, essentially, a year from now i can see how badass was that game uh with the dragons recently came out single player dragon uh haunted look at what they're saying here look at what they're saying here scroll elder scroll visions of infinite dimensions the void is exactly what our virtual entertainment centers will offer experience everything from haunted castles to dinosaur safaris to futuristic battlefields. And with our competitive or cooperative multiplayer modes,

you can share these incredible experiences with family and friends. See, that might be a weird issue, man, if these games start becoming physical. If you start having these competitions, like you're playing teams five on five,, you're playing rather teams, five on five or how many people are in Counter-Strike? Five versus five, yeah. Five versus five. Imagine if you're doing five versus five in these

things and it becomes about athletics. It becomes about athletes competing in virtual environments in video games. I mean, that really could be possible. Sort of like Dance Dance Revolution, get you guys in shape. Like I said, that's where I need the super suit then after that so i don't need to get in shape i just plug in yeah that's gonna be weird if people resist the getting in shape part this i

mean who knows what what this is gonna be or whether this is gonna catch on but i think like why would you go to the movies when you could live a movie? When you could go, I mean, imagine if you had, like, The Hobbit, like that kind of graphics, and you're actually in the environment. Walk through the battlefield next to Gandalf. Fuck, dude. And they figure out a way to sculpt the ground in a way that makes it feel like you're going uphill and downhill and dirt under your feet and rocks and different terrains.

Well, we know we did figure that out and we're experiencing it in the past of our current development. Yeah, the whole virtual reality. We're a hologram right now, right? Well, that's the mindfuck of all mindfucks is that one day there will be an artificial reality that's indiscernible from this reality.

How do we know we're not already in it? We're in it. DMT. Oh, well, people think so. It comes, I mean, it does come up every now and again. Jordan, I think we've said

everything we could say about video gaming. Yeah, man. Anything else to add? I could talk all day. Yeah. Shout out to everyone who learned a little bit

about esports today. If you haven't gotten enough info from me, feel free to look around. Yeah, and you could find, Jordan, what is your Twitter handle? C9N0THING.

So C9 nothing with a zero. And C9 nothing is your handle online. Cloud9 is my organization I compete for. And nothing is N0THING. All right. Well, anything else? No. Thanks for everyone for watching. Friends and family.

Brian Redband, you got anything going on to tell the people about? GK, right? Yeah. My Twitch channel is Redband, so check that out gk yeah i told my counter shake buddies that i'd say i'd give them a shout out gk is a kids i used to play with him say that at the end i was like yeah if i could fit it in yeah you got in there what are you saying uh my channel is red band uh me and jamie play all the time uh also i'll be in toronto in july and uh death squad uh friday at the eyes let's do tv you guys are going to do a stream together let's do it you're going to cross streams to cross streams touch tips let's touch tips after the real stream well listen man this has been

very illuminating this is a world that i i completely was unaware i'm where i was peripherally aware of but you you really gave us the full tour of it. I appreciate it. No worries. Congratulations on being able to make a career out of this. I think it's fucking awesome. Thank you. Kudos to you, sir. And to everybody else, go fuck yourself. We'll see you next week. Much love. Big kisses. Oh, Friday night, Vegas. There's still some tickets available.

That's tomorrow. Tom Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, and me at the Ca Theater at the MGM. Holla! See you then. Peace.