The Joe Rogan Experience - #656 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: June 6, 2015

Bryan Callen is an actor and stand-up comedian, and together with Brendan Schaub he also hosts "The Fighter & The Kid" podcast available on Spotify. http://bryancallen.com

A Twitter campaign for me. Guys! Brian motherfuckin' Callan, you can find him on Twitter at B-R-Y. I'm sure someone has confiscated B-R-I-A-N Callan. Yeah, how dare they? And they probably fucked you. They probably done terrible things to that account. I hate the name Brian, because I have to always say it's B-R-Y. Oh, that is annoying. It's just, you know, it's a unique great, so I spent my whole life going, actually with a Y. Oh, that is annoying. It's just, you know, it's a unique grade, so I spent my whole life going, actually with a

Y. It's a boring name to begin with. It's not like it's a unique name. Dude, I'm Joe. That is the most boring name. Yeah, but you can't really mess with that name. J-O. It's just so simple. I've seen people write J-O at Starbucks. That's annoying. They're trying to fuck with me.

They're trying to make me a woman. I know what they're doing. You have a lot of feminine energy. Honestly, I didn't want to tell you that. J-O. I'm J-O. Yeah. With the features. Your delicate features in your face.

That long, aquiline nose. I have a delicate bone structure. Joe, is that a girl or a boy, that guy, Rogan? J-O, Rogan's girl. This is how unoriginal my family is. My grandmother's name was Josephine. My grandfather's name was Josephine My grandfather's name was Joseph My dad's name was Joseph

And my name is Joseph Fucking apes I wanted to be named after me The fucking kids Gotta have my name My grandmother's name is Rose Grandfather's name is Dominic Victoria

Michael My mother had a cool name but she didn't like it is Rose. Grandfather's name is Dominic. So those are normal names. Victoria. Michael. Yeah. My mother had a cool name, but she didn't like it. My mother was born. Her name was Asanta. Asanta? Asanta. Damn. Yeah. She didn't like it. She hated it. So she changed it to Susan. That's crazy. Yeah. She wouldn't let anybody... I didn't even

know her name was Asanta until I was in high school. My friend's mother was a hippie and she named him Blue Quanw one tiga oh no lawless oh no like all right didn't like gwyneth paltrow name her kid apple i'm what without even knowing that i will say to you 100 she did but it's like you know there's we have an issue with that but well you know why is apple any worse than joe it's not. It's just not. I think that people I have, and I don't even know how to explain it, and I'm going to get into a larger point about it.

I have this strange reaction, and it's not a positive one, whenever a celebrity in Hollywood names their kids something really cool. Right. Like it might be adorable if it was your neighbor. Yeah. If your neighbor had a kid named Apple, and they were really nice. Well, I think what annoys me more is that they're making the name of the kid about themselves, not about the kid. Oh, I see what you're saying. I think that's what bothers me about it.

Yeah, I think you're probably on to something. You're on to, you sense the pretension. Yeah, like when Puffy Combs, I think it was. Is that the right word? It's pretension, but it's also a little bit of spectacle it's a little bit like hey look i named my kid brooklyn apple and uh rumor which are all cool names and i'm not saying and maybe i would do the same but i do feel like again of course you're making a little bit about yourself you've got to name your kid

maybe you feel the pressure to name your kid something very different i don't know yeah i think i'm being a little no you're you're onto something though we don't like like fake energy people nobody likes like i'm a healer you know what i mean you know what i mean this is like that fakeness yeah that comes with but we do like like we were talking about yoga before this show started Like we like people that are really in the yoga because they actually enjoy the benefits of it And they're really they're really kind of down-to-earth and centered those are nice people to be around yes But the ones who are faking that thing are fucking gross well They're wearing it like a costume right so it becomes a character that they've taken over. And again, that's something called affectation.

They're not doing it for the utility of yoga, like where you're working something out, whether it's peace of mind or getting more centered or whatever, and getting healthier. I think that some people actually wear that cloak and become somewhat tyrannical about it. They put on the outfit, the costume. Now they're a yogi. Now they're going to speak about being on the spiritual path. And within that is always a little bit of a, look at this, these common cattle, these people who drink coffee and other stimulants and obviously eat meat.

That's kind of what I think we react to. I was listening to this conversation in yoga class with this woman who was advising this man on what he should do with his diet. And she was saying that meat is toxic. Oh, I love that. Meat is toxic. It's toxic. The way she was doing it was like, what are you...

It's fucking protein and water. It's one of the most easily digestible things that people eat. I love to do with people like that whenever they mention toxins. You sweat out all these toxins. What are the toxins? How's it going through your sweat yeah what are they you know where toxins gets filtered your fucking liver okay yeah and you're kidding they're in your blood your liver filters it out yeah you're not getting toxins out of your body

right oh somebody told me they did some foot thing where they put you in a foot bath and yeah because the toxins in your body well they've done experiments on that which is it it reacts with the metal in the water to create with the sodium a certain sodium compound and it creates rust it's rust oh so what is it they're putting on your feet they put like an oil in there yeah they put your feet in there and then they have an electric charge i Of course. They put potassium in it like a nail with an electric charge. It's toxins, man. Yeah.

And that brown stuff is coming out of your feet, and they make a lot of money that way. Somebody tried to tell me that. They're taking the toxins out of your body, and after you do it, you just feel amazing. And I was like, oh, God. This is one of the beautiful things about the internet is those people. You can go, okay, is that real? And then you Google it, and you go, no. Here's all these studies,

and they show that you're retarded. There's a book I read about that where they break that particular thing down, that putting your feet in the water turns brown and all the toxins come out. God, that's so dumb, but it's like, here it is, before iron cleanse. Oh, look at that. After a 30-minute treatment. Amazing. Except you can do the same thing and take your feet out

and put another compound in there and it turns brown as well. Look at that fucking bullshit. Look at that. Like they're really trying to pretend that all that brown is coming out of your body. Yep. If you have all that stuff in your body, you're fucking dying. All right.

That's really bad. Yeah. It's very weird. I guess it sucks it out of your body. So gross. There's so much of that gross fake shit out there. That gross fake like healing and psychic healers and zone healers. But even that, even that is always, if you actually scratch into it, and I've spent enough, you know me, I got a lot of patience for those people.

I love them. How about the one who came up to you the other day, the one that we both know, that said to you something that's about allowing? Oh. Please tell me more. Please tell me more about this text message. We don't have to name names, so please tell me more. It's just an interesting, I'm very hesitant to in case he in LA and places for people to believe that they have found the answer. I know all this conventional wisdom is, is, is your thing, but I actually have a roundabout way.

And then they'll play with words and they'll say, it's not about doing, it's kind of about allowing. And you're like, I, you know, I love that. I'm just like, I'll give you rope. I'll be like, dude, that's amazing. Tell me more immediately so I can talk about it on Joe Robins podcast with 16 million. Oh Christ. You deal with that all the time, man. You, you, I think, and my, my biggest thing with the healer kind of crowd and some of them are great people, of course, and maybe they do some good, of course, but a lot of them are wearing it to bludgeon you with it.

Or it's a piece of identity. Everything else has kind of gone well, and they turn their own crisis into sort of a, you know, they've found their calling, which is to be a healer. Also, I don't buy the ideas of people that are trying to be leaders or trying to push things and trying to create these movements. If they don't do something to push themselves. Like if I see you and you have a sloppy face and a big old double chin and your gut is hanging off your pants you greedily await your food as you're sitting around with all these people that are listening to you i'm like you're a guy that's caught up in the grips of not taking care of your own meat wagon yes so why don't i listen to you about how you describe how we're supposed to live life and how the the peaceful energy flows through your chakras and like what do you what exactly are you saying?

Yeah, are you just trying to get people to listen to you because that's what it kind of seems like Well, that seems like you just want to be a leader. That's that's usually what it is. They don't go loose or not Yeah, they don't push themselves Yeah You know I think unless you're involved in some adverse situation some situation where you have to encounter adversity and find out what you're made of some adverse situation, some situation where you have to encounter adversity and find out what you're made of, whatever you're doing, whatever pursuit, if you're doing one of those, what are those crazy mutters, those crazy races, those people do, tough mutters. People love that, man.

You know why they love that? Because they're getting fucking pushed. They have to find out what they're made out of. You don't find that in a cubicle. You just fucking don't. And I think there's a crazy desire that people have to do triathlons. I'm going to see if I can do it. I want to do a sub three-hour marathon It's like these fucking desires to push yourself because we don't encounter enough mortality

We don't encounter enough disease We don't encounter enough sadness to make ourselves aware of the special moment that you have when you've achieved peace I really think we have a genetic memory of all those things. I do I do to make ourselves aware of the special moment that you have when you've achieved peace. And I really think we have a genetic memory of all those things. Yeah, I do. I do. You know, you're put in a world where you're not being tested. And struggle is such a huge part of the human experience. And the other thing about gurus, though, is that whenever you see somebody who talks a lot, and they're telling you the secrets and methodology and technology of life,

the problem with that is that when you see people who really accomplish something, like John Wayne Parr or whatever, if you ask John Wayne Parr to tell me the secrets of fighting, John Wayne Parr would look at me and go, well you'd probably have to go train for ten years and a lot of it is something you have to experience and practice, not something I can tell you about. And I think anybody who has these, a sharp profile who has really, really cool ways of putting words together, you should be a little aware, be aware, be a little bit aware. Here's a good example that you are what I would consider a master standup

comedian. You've been doing standup comedy for more than a decade professionally. You're hilarious. You know, every time I see you, you're killing. If you had to tell someone how to do stand-up, how the fuck would you even begin? And imagine having the gall to tell someone how they should do stand-up. It's incredible. But the reality is, life is kind of like stand-up in a way. In that you have to do it your way.

You know, and if you like wearing dresses and ball gags and getting beat up by chicks who the fuck am i say there's something wrong with that as long as you're not hurting anybody yeah and if you are hurting them it's because they want you to hurt them you're in some weird situation who gives a fuck really who gives a fuck i mean it's so when some guy comes along it's not it's about allowing sometimes. Sometimes it's about being in your car going, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. And then you go to work with a big smile on your face. Yeah. Because you laughing and jokingly completely in the nature of joking around all through your day where we're shit mouthing people and fuck mouthing people.

I do that all the time. It's therapeutic. I do it all the time just for amusement. I amuse people. Right. Fuck mouthing people. I do that all the time. Fuck yeah, it's therapeutic. I do it all the time just for amusement. I amuse myself. Right. I'll like, I'll see myself in the car like, come on, fuckface. Come on, fuckface. You can do, you fucking dummy.

You fucking dummy. But I'm never really mad at that guy. I'm mocking it because it's fun to do. Yeah. It makes a normal, ordinary moment entertaining. Right. I think you're right. I think it is.

I think life is a lot like standup in that sense. You know, we have different styles of living, you know, it's, it's one of the cool things about life. And I think everybody's person, like different personalities gravitate towards different styles of living just automatically

and organically the same way people gravitate towards jobs. You know, the way some people are just drawn. I want to be a comic book illustrator. I'm drawn to it, you know. Or some people are like, fuck, I've always loved music, man. Just always wanted to be a musician. My son, I told you I went to.

I watched him at his school play, whatever, and he's not even four. And it was so funny because all the kids were singing their songs and doing their thing, and my son is on the sidelines pulling his mouth open as wide as he possibly can. Then he jumps over and just jumps in this kid's face. Then he decides, I'm getting out of here, pulls his shirt up and walks off stage. He gets the teachers chasing him. He realizes it. He's disrupting everything, and he did a variation of that for all four songs.

And my wife was like, you know, this is crazy and this is bad. And I was like, listen, all I know is I was exactly the same. I don't remember it being a good thing. It was probably going to be a bit of a struggle for him. Who knows how to navigate it? But there's one thing for sure. He's not a conformist. He's very different.

And he sees the world very differently. And he'd way rather be doing this thing over here. And, you know, I kind of looked, I was like, I thought to myself, I've always been the exact same way. I've always been that way. I've always... I wonder if it's genetics. to me to the point where I remember doing that. I remember going, this is embarrassing. I'm not going to sing like everybody else. I remember looking over, I was in kindergarten and I saw their mouths wide open and they were singing. And I was like, well, that's embarrassing. And my mother came over and she said, what, what's wrong? And I said, I don't think we should be doing this. And she said, why? And I said said because we're not that good i knew at that age i was very aware at that age how bad we were at singing and dancing you know that's funny and i think my son felt the same way he was a little embarrassed at the bad performance because there's

nothing worse than seeing i don't know 16 three and a half year olds trying to sing a song yeah you got to wait till they're five before you even go to those things for real. 100%. They just can't do it yet. Oh, forget it. It's chaos. But it's adorable. People love watching their kids do things.

It's like their kid gets to be a star for a brief moment in time. It's true. Yeah, that's a weird thing. It's a weird thing. Let me ask you this question. We haven't talked about it, but... And be honest what was the your first reaction like your first gut reaction if you even had one when you saw um the picture of bruce jenner on vanity fair under the title call me caitlin well i got it when i was bear hunting with a bow and arrow

let's just pause for a second. That's when I got it. Let's have a moment of silence for that. Jamie sent it to me. Jamie was the first one to send it to me. And then my wife sent it to me. And I was like, oh, fuck. Actually, no, my wife was first and Jamie was second.

Sorry, dude. She got you. But it was very close. It was basically both of them sent it to me. And I had bear blood on my clothes. And we were stopping into this town to go on a dock to catch some walleye and northern pike. Just as manly as it gets. Yeah, I was doing man shit.

For real man shit. Yeah. You know, I mean, eat meat or don't eat meat. But if you are going to eat meat, you really can't be upset at people hunting. You really can't because it's exciting and it's a huge discipline and the food is amazing. The meat that you get from wild game is so much better. It also, the money that parks make from hunting and basically- Well, the Wildlife Federation. Yes. Fish and wildlife.

Helps preserve a great deal of habitat for animals. It preserves more habitat for animals because of hunting than anything else. The conservation aspect of hunting is totally overlooked because people want to look at hunters like they're some evil person. We live in this really fucked up contradictory society where every

day you're driving down the street, you're passing by gas stations that are filled with meat snacks Disgusting meat that's ground up into some fucking goofy hamburger and frozen and you microwave it all these all that shit those Bean and beef burritos they sell what is that? That's murdered animals that were ground up and they come from three different countries sometimes. That were killed six months ago. Oh, easily. Easily. Who knows how long that shit's been frozen for.

And nobody seems to, it doesn't seem to faze anyone. You know, you walk into a supermarket, you're passing by just rows and rows of meat. Every McDonald's, every Jack in the Box's, meat, meat, meat, meat, meat. But we're completely disconnected from it. By living in this, I think cities, meat, meat, meat. But we're completely disconnected from it. By living in this, I think cities are awesome, by the way. And you know when I really started to appreciate cities? When you and I started going on these trips.

Yeah. When you and I went to Montana, or even better recently, like it's a perfect example, when we did that Prince of Wales show, we went on to Prince of Wales Island, we got rained on every fucking day for five days, and when we came back to LA it was amazing I love this place so much the Sun felt so good one of the greatest messages

I've ever gotten from you. I just get this random message. Hey, hey, hey, it's Joe Hey, do you feel really great? I feel fucking amazing I don't know if you do but I feel fucking amazing man. How do know if you do, but I feel fucking amazing, man. How do you feel? Do you feel amazing? Like, I don't fucking know what he's talking about. I felt like I was on drugs. Like, coming back from that rainy, miserable, cold five days to coming back to L.A. felt like I was on drugs. It was because I realized that, first of all, we had a great time being rainy and miserable.

Just laughing. Laughing our asses off. It was moving when I saw Steve Rinell at the end of that say, I kind of miss Brian and Joe's comedy because being up here alone, there's a profound sadness, I feel. I feel that way, too, actually. Did you feel that? Very sad. I feel so sad when I look out.

Maybe I feel so alone or I feel like what it would be like to live in such solitude and such silence all the time. Well, it's totally humbling. It's totally humbling. And I feel like I might be totally bullshitting here, okay? And I'm willing to admit that. But I feel like when, even if I'm in a beautiful park-like setting, like if you go to Griffiths Park and you're sitting up in there, even if you find yourself a swath of land where all you see is trees and you're sitting down, there's still, there's a feeling in the air of civilization. And the feeling in the air of civilization, I don't know if it's Wi-Fi signals or radio signals or television signals or cellular signals. I don't know if it's an actual physical thing. I don't know if there's a feeling that you get.

Obviously, you can't tune into someone's cell phone with your fucking brain, but are you aware in some sort of weird peripheral sense that all these signals are around you all the time? I don't know, but I know that it feels totally different to be outside on a mountain in Prince of Wales There's a feeling in the air and there's this this first of all this very humbling absolute undeniable Realization that not only are you not special but that this part of the world does not give a fuck about that

So I was gonna say and we'll forget about you the moment you stop existing. You're so insignificant So and you're so insignificant. Yeah, and I think a lot of my sadness came from feeling like Being on par with a tree next to me. I'm that anonymous I'm that insignificant and there's nothing around here that cares about me Maybe that's an egocentric way to look at it, but it certainly was very real and felt that way And I just I don't know. I think you're supposed to experience that. I think it keeps people in line. I think there's two things that we fucked up on as a race.

Well, many things, obviously. But two things that we fucked up on that are rarely discussed. And I think one of them is that we have almost a built in need to be around nature. And when you're around nature, you get feelings from that, from that experience that are not, they're not described enough. They're not expanded upon enough. They're not endorsed and, and appreciated enough. I think it's an integral part of being a person. And I think that when we're spending all of our times in these hard surfaces, in these straight lines, in these things that we create,

I just do not think it's good for you. I think your body's not designed for it. I think there's some reward systems that you get from being out in these solitary environments. It's certainly what most of our history is, very little stimulus. If you think about the amount of stimulus, auditory and visual stimulus you deal with every day from just blinking lights, all the things you see. Our very recent ancestors were not ever exposed to that. They say sometimes that we're exposed to more similitudes in a day than some of our ancestors were their whole life in terms of how predictable, still, expansive their lives were, where you didn't

venture, you couldn't venture too far. The other thing about where we were, especially in Prince of Wales Island, was that not even Native Americans Would go up there In fact, even animals would be like You know what, too rainy up here, we're going to go down below So we were kind of truly Where no one in their right mind would go Except Rinella, he's a fucking maniac

The mountain goat He's a fucking maniac, that dude, like a legit maniac The long-suffering mountain goat Waiting to get clawed by a grizzly. Remember that was one of the first things he told me. How'd I get clawed? Like right across the chest. Like right here. I was like what the fuck are you talking about man?

If that happens you're most likely dead. He's amazing. I wonder if he feels differently now that he got run over by a moose. Did you ever see that episode? I didn't see that episode. Moose got him. Fucked. Moose charged him and got behind him and fucking nailed him in the ass. They're not friendly animals. He already shot it.

He already shot it? Yeah, it was down and wounded and he walked up on a wounded moose and it ran at him and his gun misfired. Wow. Dude. Yeah, dude. I mean, that's death. I mean, you could really easily get stomped to death. Yeah. If I had, just watching the video I

I did not have a sense of how truly big they are When you see one in real life, I have and I had not seen what I don't think I had seen one before I hunted them maybe I oh no I have well that leg you're carrying I had for sure because I was with Ari and we took pictures of him in Alaska But it was females i hadn't seen one with the full antlers before it was in the summer and it was females um and they were really really really big but the ones that we saw when we were in bc like fucking christ god just think about shooting that thing and this is where ranella was in bc too yeah shooting that thing and then it stomps you yeah no thanks fuck man that's they're so goddamn big yeah the one i got was 900 pounds the one my friend ben o'brien got was 1400 pounds

1400 pounds 1400 pounds i think i think a horse the average horse weighs like 1100 dude it was so big he walked out into the the road in front of us and it the charge that you get the the Adrenaline charge when you see one you're like Jesus. Yeah, they didn't even look real. They were both the same size They're both these enormous bachelors. It was right after they had got done rutting and say they were just eating like crazy They were starved because they've been fucking for weeks and weeks and weeks and they walked out into the middle of the road And we slammed the brakes in the car and you look at them like god their body was bigger than the top of the truck it was like up to like the windshield area of the truck jesus they're insane how big they are by the way we we were talking about your first reaction to caitlin jenner yeah no no i'm gonna

get back to oh you are yeah all right the other thing that i was to say is I think we are, and I want this to be like, I'm trying to be as objective about this as possible. And I'm trying to be as sensitive about this as possible. masculine behavior and all of this appreciation for marginalized people is all, it's all awesome. I really think it's important. I think people go too crazy with it and they attack people that would ordinarily be their allies. But I think that what all this is doing, like the reason why this move towards acceptance is happening is because I think we're evolving. And I think that as people are evolving, as we realize that there really is no right or wrong way to live. And if Bruce Jenner wants to be a woman now, who gives a fuck? He should totally be a woman.

I think this is all a positive thing. And it's all moving towards some softer style of being a human being. And it probably won't be within our lifetime, but I think several lifetimes from now, people are probably going to be way kinder on a regular basis than they are right now. I think they're way kinder today than they've ever been before. No doubt. Way more aware of things now than they've ever been before. Easier to empathize because we have too much information to know how similar we are to say a white guy as to a chinese person to a black person i mean just right it's hard to deny that you rarely see somebody arguing that and this is

where i think the divide comes in there's a there's an anti-masculinity feeling and like that you know men who are into things are jocks and meatheads and assholes and if you're into sports or martial arts or other that somehow or another because you embrace this it excites you and you enjoy it and you surround yourself with other people that also enjoy it there must be something wrong with you you must be a mean person like just because you're masculine you must be mean i reject that outright i think it's ridiculous that also you must be a mean person like just because you're masculine you must be mean i reject that outright i think it's ridiculous that also you must be insensitive and cruel i reject that as well outright it's not true it's not true you can be masculine and be very sensitive

dude i had to do this fucking thing for the ufc yesterday where was a speech about the hall of fame and jeff blatnik is uh getting into the hall of fame and Jeff Blatnick is, uh, getting into the hall of fame and Jeff Blatnick, who is an Olympic gold medalist, Greco, Alexander Carell in, in, uh, in Greco Roman.

It was, uh, this amazing guy. And, um, I started crying. I was like, I had to stop myself from crying when I was talking about this guy.

Cause he beat cancer and won a gold medal. And then he, he was like really nice to me, man from crying when I was talking about this guy. Because he beat cancer and won a gold medal. And then he was like really nice to me, man. Like when I first started working for the UFC. I remember that. I remember Big Jeff. He was a great guy. And so, like, I'm a bitch, dude. I cry all the time. I cry at it.

I'm emotional about a lot of shit all the time, man. A movie or even some songs will get me. I'll be in my car and a song will make me fucking cry it doesn't mean because someone embraces masculine activities whether it's martial arts or whether it's um hunting or anything it doesn't mean that that person is going to be homophobic it doesn't mean that that person is going to be a negative person. But there's this push, I think, because of what's happening now with all this, our society's movement towards civilization, movement towards a much more nonviolent life. Although the awareness of rape, man, there had to have been a lot of rape going on in college when I was young. But I never fucking heard about it

But all you're hearing about like on a constant basis is the amount of sexual violence It takes place in colleges and some people are saying they're overreacting this then but it's good Like it's all this trend of like reading the voiceless getting a voiceless voice Yes, and recognizing that what is important here? Is it the style of life? Is it the style of life you live? Should I be mad at you if you wear a dress? No.

I should be mad at you if you rape people that wear dresses. I should be mad at you if you beat people up because you don't like the way they look. Someone on Twitter today, some trans woman had a black eye. And she made some tweet about it. I forget her name. I don't know. I don't follow her. I clicked on a link and I found it and it was some guy punched her for being a transgender person just fucking

Kristen Beck was on our podcast and talk on fighter and kid and talked about getting beat up just because she walked by some guys seal team six commando yeah and they had her from behind but that that's a everyday reality and every day and very very short time ago, and I'm talking about less than 15 years ago in our lifetime, any of those derogatory words like fag, faggot, making fun of gay people was an acceptable prejudice. Oh, yeah. You heard it all the time. All the time.

All of us said it because you just made fun of people. Well, how about you go listen to some old Eddie Murphy? Listen to Eddie Murphy raw. Oh, my God. Yeah. It yeah it's crazy meanwhile it's like really like hate speech yeah yeah meanwhile he likes this allegedly yeah allegedly yeah well you know what they say well but you know what you're talking about also is like matthew arnold who is this awesome sort of philosopher, romantic. And he said, yes, the United States is the, and forgive me if it's not Matthew Arnold, I'm almost positive. He says, yes, the United States is a very powerful country with the biggest guns and a roaring stock market and the National Football League.

But somewhere along the line, if you embrace all of that, you'll forget to be interesting. And you have to remember as a country, as a society society that you must make place for the gentler spirits for your artists for your quote-unquote weirdos for your dreamers for your wonders and and I I think that's to our credit that that you know it does create more beauty it does create more diversity it creates more interesting innovation when people who don't have the biggest muscles feel safe, feel like they have a voice, feel like they have somewhere to go if they get beat up. You have a society where

muscles and guns, i.e. Rome, i.e. Russia. Russia. Yeah, where muscles and guns rule the roost, and that's most of the world, by the way. How about all these guys that are getting beaten up in Russia for being gay? Yeah. It's like really common shit.

So anytime you, most societies concern themselves almost exclusively with how to control their populations, whether they do it through sheer force like Russia does, or whether they do it through religion like Saudi Arabia does, those countries essentially practice a form of apartheid. And what I mean by that is that 50% of their population, at least to say nothing of the gay people and the different people and the transgender people, those people are so marginalized and they're wasted because they're put in one place and they're told to do just a couple of things that have been allowed by this male architecture, this male scaffolding that's

been put in place and been there forever. And it just stifles spirit. It stifles ingenuity, creativity, and most of all, it stifles the truth. And in that sense, you know, of course, there's a place for these people and these societies have evolved. And there's a lot of great things about Russian society and Saudi society and everything else. But that's an important aspect to keep in mind. That's that's an important thing. And that's what I think this movement is a positive thing. Well, it's about information.

You know, these people have a voice now and you start thinking of them as people as opposed to like like transgender people never had a community before. I mean, what how would they would have to find other transgender people and hang out with them it would be very difficult to get that going yeah now you meet online you have these forums you have twitter and things along those lines like people from any weird generally marginalized part of society can find a community now did you nick schwartzen did this joke i believe it's on a special so i'm not adding it he goes before the internet if you had a fetish it kind of sucked because you kind of had to kind of try it out on the person you'd be at dinner and you'd be like all right i'm gonna go to the bathroom don't do his joke on the air i think

he's already done this okay yeah yeah i wouldn't otherwise but he goes well i'm gonna go to the bathroom or i could piss on your face. Just kidding. Just kidding. I was like, that's so fucking true. That's so true. You had to find it. But my feeling with the Caitlyn Jenner thing was only that I kind of felt like there are two things that go on in my mind now with this. One is that I found that he was she was now looked, I have a bit of 35, not 65.

That was good Photoshop. Well, you know, the other thing is he underwent a 12-hour surgery to more feminize his face. Apparently, up until now, he preferred the he pronoun. I don't know if he's saying she now. I believe she is. It's Miss Jenner, if you don't mind. She? Yeah.

Is that what you're saying? I'm she is. It's Miss Jenner, if you don't mind. She? Yeah. Is that what you're saying? I'm saying she. And again, and again, and by the way, your face and your tone, I must piggyback because the thing that I resent a little bit, a little bit, is that I'm not even allowed to think it's a little weird and a little strange.

Exactly! And I do find it a little weird and a little strange. I'm allowed to. I've known him as Bruce Jenner, and by the way, I wish I had his body because I'd be ridiculous. No, not now. Just before. Jesus, even before. Did you ever see him walking around Malibu? It's a disaster.

Was it? It's a fucking harbor of neglect. Oh, he didn't. Yeah, the whole thing is falling apart. He was taking estrogen, dude. Give him a break. How long was he doing that for? Apparently for a very long time.

Really? Yes. Like how long? I heard 20 years or something 20 years something crazy so he was letting that beautiful that beautiful machine he was just putting on a layer of feminine fat and that's fine whoa but i'm but am i am i bad i'm not a bad person you know i support anybody i'd protect him i'd protect anybody's right to do what they want like that but i'm allowed to feel it's a little strange i'm allowed to kind of go i have to call him miss now well he got a boob job right

yeah that's weird i'm just thinking about he's got kids and i feel for his kids i'm sure they are accepting or whatever but it's got to be weird even kristen beck said it is weird i can't even figure out myself you know i don't know it know. It is weird. It's definitely weird. And I think that anything that you can't make fun of is bullshit. Like, if you can't make fun of it, you can make fun of everything. I agree. You can make fun of politics. That's our job. You can make fun of sex.

You can make fun of gender. You can make fun of transgender. You can make fun of everything. Yeah. Don't say you can't make fun of it. Exactly. That's nonsense. Then you're losing out on free speech.

You can't make fun of it because that's that's nonsense then you're you're losing out on free speech And by the way the best way the best way to Marginalize something is to not be allowed to talk about it like it's you you change the thing you make it a sacred thing You don't make it a thing that you could talk about and discuss So you don't even know if the thing that you're talking about if it's if it's honest like what are we being honest about? What is happening here? Because for every person who does Everything in life that's weird There's gonna be people that love it and there's gonna be people that hate it

But you don't know what it is until everybody sits down talks about it like why is this kid want so much fucking attention? Oh, he's an attention whore and we figure it out We all discuss it when it comes to sexual things sexual aspects of behavior, then we get ultra, super sensitive. We get really sensitive. Much more sensitive than anything else we do, whether it's behavior, whether it's occupation. When you get down to sexual and gender things, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't talk about that. You can make fun of lawyers all you want.

You're probably going to need lawyers, but you can make all the dead lawyer jokes you fucking want. You can throw lawyers in the bottom of the ocean. You can talk about gunning them all down the streets like dogs. You could be a fucking blogger for like the Huffington Post, and you should say, damn the lawyers, we should gun them down like

dogs. And you could say that, and no one is going to get angry at you, and no one's going to march against you you and no one's gonna march against you and no one's gonna Call you a blog called kill all the lawyers. It's taken shakes. There you go Now imagine if you said kill all the transgender people like whoa whoa, what if a transgender dude sucked your dick and You found out about it and you were really mad. So you started to blog kill all the transgenders like what the fuck man No people would people freak out because when you want to kill somebody based on sex or gender if you have

Anger towards them because of sex or gender becomes very charged. Yeah, very char Did I mention that did I mention that there was a guy I'm acting class he used to dress in drag and very beautiful amazing and Was very elegant and I always know it's a good word there was a guy in my acting class. He used to dress in drag and, uh, very beautiful. Uh, amazing. And, um, was very elegant. And I always, elegant's a good word for a dude. He was,

he was an elegant man. And, and one day he goes, he looked at me and he, I had done a scene in acting class and he said, that was sexy, baby. And I go,

Oh yeah, you think so? Yeah. I go, you better watch out. And he goes, you better watch out. I put your dick and balls in my mouth. I the fucking hilarious he just turned on me i was like

what i'll put i'll put them all in my mouth whoa i thought i talked about on my podcast i put your dick and balls in my mouth oh that's a lot of that's okay that's impressive it's probably hurt my balls but yeah that wouldn't Yeah, that wouldn't be comfortable. I don't think so. You'd feel his teeth for sure. His mouth was very normal size, by the way. I took a look. Maybe he's like snaky. Yeah.

Like stretched out ligaments or some shit. He ended up being, actually. We dated for a while. Whoa. What? See how I turned that? Hey, what did you just do? But there's like a weird charge.

Like racial hate is very similar in a way. You know, like there's a lot of charge to racial hate but there's some racial hate and kind of get away with like Black people can say some pretty nasty shit about white people and we let it slide You know like I saw this guy's Twitter some Spanish guy say and he is a journalist and he's like I'm happy when all white shows get cancelled. I'm like, could you imagine if someone said that about black shows? Yeah. You can't.

But that's also because there's so many white shows. Yeah, because it's an overpopulation. But the point being, it's like, you know, Cain Velasquez has this brown pride shirt or brown pride tattoo. He couldn't have white power on his shirt. He has a, well, pride. He has brown pride tattooed on his chest. If you had white pride tattooed on your chest, you would never be able to fight in the UFC.

True. It's interesting. You definitely have to explain yourself. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's wrong because I think the sentiment behind it is right. You know, the sentiment behind it is that, like, why are you proud about being white? We're everywhere. Just relax. Just relax.

We have the power. Exactly. Relax. And why are you upset that he's proud that he's Mexican? Relax. But it's a double standard. It is absolutely a double standard, but it's the correct one. It's interesting.

That's why things can't be cut and dry. It can't be the same for everybody, because it's just not the same for everybody. And what's interesting is that white i would imagine i think when they when california couldn't pass that proposition on gay marriage a lot of the opposition came from the black and brown communities uh because especially latino community is very religious well harry shafir had a big a great joke about it oh he did yeah he had a great joke about he's dead right that african-americans voted like it was a disproportionate amount that voted against uh gay marriage yeah but again that can be grounded in religion tradition all those things yeah fear you know but it's so there's a

lot of nonsense when it comes to that stuff and i think all that's like again that's starting to dissolve i think it's starting to dissolve and I think even like the backlash that people are getting for you know Like like I guess the UFC is a big one That's a big target you hear about that all the time like the anti-violence aspect of it or anything else that people enjoy That is very violent whether it's football or any other contact sport There's a lot of people that like really resist it and think that it's detrimental to society. And I think contrary. I think it's actually very good for it.

I worry more about whenever you're trying to empower a group of people very vocally and with great energy. Sometimes what I worry about is, and it happens all the time, is you end up being somewhat tyrannical to another group of people yeah those people that might not understand what you're doing those people that have religious reservations to what you're doing or all whatever their reasons or just it doesn't sit right with them or they think it's weird or they think it's unnatural I was talking to a 77 year old man about this Bruce Jenner thing, and he's a good man.

And he goes, it's unnatural. We're celebrating the unnatural. That's what he thought. But it's not unnatural. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying. But what I'm saying about it is it occurs enough. Right.

So that you know it's not unnatural. It's just unusual. It's a bad argument anyway. I didn't get into it with him. What I'm saying is that everybody has their point of view. And sometimes, for example, I think, if you look at TV and stuff, and I actually think we've become very intolerant of male behavior, not just the traditional prototypical masculine behaviors, but sexual behavior as well. So I think a lot of men are really afraid to sound even remotely like they like having sex a lot

with different women even if they're single because they'll be called a creep they'll be called a scumbag they'll be called all these things what that used to be something that was actually celebrated and if you look at tv a lot of tv shows especially mainstream tv if a guy's on that show and he has I don't know god forbid He's got a girlfriend and another girlfriend forget that that's never but if he has five different women that he's sleeping with You don't see that often you just don't see so we know a lot of guys You know especially when we were younger who were that kind of masculine bent that put up a lot of numbers You don't see I haven't seen too many of those characters on mainstream TV.

And if you do, they are crucified. They're just dirt bags. And I think that's interesting. I don't think that used to be the case as much. I think that a lot of men are afraid to talk about sex the way women have for a long time. I've noticed that. Well, it's the same thing.

It's like, because women have been more marginalized. Their sexuality has been more of something to be ashamed of. If they're sluts. Like, Kim Cattrall from that Sex and the City, she was a very loose woman. She was out there running around all willy-nilly, having sex with a bunch of different gentlemen. Yeah. I mean, but that was celebrated.

Like, she was empowered. Yeah. Because she was this cougar who's running around. Yeah. She's running around fucking all these guys and sucking their dicks in bathrooms, doing a bunch of dirty, naughty shit. And it was great. But if there was a show about a guy who did that with a bunch of women and then thought

less of the women after he was done with them, you would go, what a piece of shit. That's what I mean. He wants to watch this show. Yeah. So what a woman could do by just getting done with guys fucking them and tossing them aside, no one cares. There's virtually

no backlash whatsoever. Celebrity. Yeah. But if a man has the exact same behavior, he's a piece of shit. It's fascinating. Yeah.

It is fascinating because with the woman, we're essentially watching like a superhero. We're watching a woman who's turned the tables. Now she's the predator and the men of the prey. Yeah, you go, girl go girl. You get them. And after they're done, throw

fucking throw their phone away. Delete, delete all of their text messages from your phone, delete their number and never call them again. Fuck him. Move on girl. You know, like she becomes this, but if you know, if a woman did that to a man, he'd be like, Oh wow. Or a man did that to a woman. He'd be like, God, wow. Or if a man did that to a woman, he'd be like, God, what a dick that guy is. But again, that's artificial. That's not natural. That's kind of a lie, too. That's kind of weird.

There's girls out there like that. Of course there are. When it's suggested that's how women really are, all women, you go, well, we're a lot more complicated than that. And not really. Well, I think if I had a friend that got done over by a girl like Kim Cattrall and she never called back, I would laugh my dick off.

I would think it would be so funny. I would talk to him about it every day. I'd be like, so she never called you again? Never called you? She just dumped you? Like, it would be funny to guys. Guys would laugh about it. Sure, I've had it done to me.

I've had it done to myself, to me, maybe three times. One by a pretty famous woman. Hey i would uh yeah and i was like i was like excuse me it's like how dare you you don't want more of this they get tired of you man you're tired of your bullshit that's normal too or they just got tired of me in general in bed so to get back to that bruce jenner thing the cait, whatever he's going to call himself. Call her Caitlyn. Yeah. I don't even know how much is true and how much is not true.

Because I was listening to this radio show and they were talking about how he underwent a 12-hour surgery to change his face, more feminize it. I do not know if that is the truth or not. But who cares? That's my take on it. My take on it is I think it's cute. I think let him do whatever he wants to do. He's my take on it. My take on it is I think it's cute. Yep. I think, you know, let him do whatever he wants to do. I mean, he's not interesting to me.

Well, what if he wins? He's not interesting to me. Isn't he getting the, isn't he being awarded the Arthur Ashe Award at the ESPYs for courage? Okay. Well, it's kind of courageous, but it's not like it's not a person that's been seeking attention by any means necessary for a long time. It's not like we're not talking about a guy who was on a show for a long time and now this is a reality well it's also it's like we're not being honest about the the gentleman in question because or the woman in question so that's what i i felt when i saw him on the cover of vintage fair with that airbrushed

and everything i went more power to you if you want to do that. But that feels a little bit like spectacle. Yeah, I mean, what does he do? He just lives this nonsense life on television. I mean, this is a guy that we're celebrating. Right. Like, the only thing that's interesting is that he doesn't want to be a man anymore. That's the interesting aspect of him. That's right.

Everything outside of that is not interesting. I agree. He lives this really bizarre life. I just can't imagine anybody who didn't need it want to live like that we have a microscope up your ass uh on this weird show and you're you're living out these false scenarios that are planned by producers so today we went to try to figure out what's wrong with the washing machine the fuck you did you, this is all nonsense. You know it's nonsense. So this guy's been on this nonsense show for X amount of years.

Just, it's a really bizarre way to like put yourself out there, right? And then he decides that he's a woman. And that becomes the most interesting aspect of him. Right. Way more interesting than anything that he had ever done before, other than win the gold medal in the decathlon. He was a great athlete, but, like, nobody cared.

Right. Like, everybody wanted to pay attention to his daughter. Everybody wanted to pay attention to the mom. And Bruce Jenner was, like, this poor, sad character that was hanging around the show that I always used to think was emasculated. You know, like, he's a mad guy.

I love that bit you do. The new bit? Dude. Oh, don't tell anybody. I won't, was emasculated. You know, like he's a mad guy. I love that bit you do. The new bit? Dude. Don't tell anybody. I won't, but he did a bit. And he opened, by the way, thanks for opening for me. My boy Joe Rogan drives all the way down on no sleep and opened both shows for me. Talk about a friend.

Meanwhile, that bit, I got, I was watching, I had to go on and do an hour after you, and I was like, that is a hell of a bit. Oh, thanks, man. Dude. It's better today. I got a new chunk to it. I knew, because it's so new, and I went, I wonder what this is going to really turn into.

It's good. I enjoyed doing it. Because it got so much going on to it. It took me out of my show, but it helped me, too. I'd rather watch this right now. That was fun. The taping of your show was excellent. It went well.

It was really fun. Really fun. Thanks, everybody, for coming well. It was really fun. Really fun. Thanks, everybody, for coming down. It was so cool. Yeah. So back to the Bruce Jenner thing. I think if it encourages more people to do that, if that's their real calling, great. Great.

I know people that change genders and they're very happy. That's totally possible. It's totally possible. The biggest thing, too, is that apparently the suicide rate for kids who feel this way is very happy. That's totally possible. It's totally possible. The biggest thing, too, is that apparently the suicide rate for kids who feel this way is very high. Like, according to Kristen Beck, it's 45% or something crazy.

Fuck, man. Yeah. Fuck. It's just hard. It's hard to be a normal person. Hard to be a person, like a normal white male in America who's not poor.

Right. Just a normal, like, middle of the road person. It's very difficult. So imagine being marginalized. I mean, imagine. Just imagine. Already there are just a group of people you've never met who hate your guts. Yeah.

And actually some who would actually kill you. Well, you can feel that. If you want, there's certain neighborhoods where you can go in there as a white man. Oh, yeah. And you'll be a victim. You'll be like an instant victim. They'll kill you. Well, you can feel that. If you want, there's certain neighborhoods where you can go in there as a white man. Oh, yeah. And you'll be a victim. You'll be like an instant victim. They'll target you. I mean, there's parts of the world where that's absolutely true.

There's parts of America, I'm sure, where that's absolutely true. But overwhelmingly, you got it easy as fuck. Easy as fuck. So when you have it easy as fuck, sometimes I think it's easy to take for granted someone who doesn't. Not necessarily saying that Bruce Jenner didn't have it easy. Because, you know, you watch him on that show. He's not struggling.

He's just being weird. No. You know, but there's people in this world that are going through all sorts of pain for no fault of their own. They're just born in a shitty household. They're just born with the wrong human beings guarding over them and raising them and communicating with them, and they're fucked from birth. And that's something that nobody wants to admit.

Well, that's also kind of always how I've looked at things, where I was born on third base and told to run home. You know, I'm a white American male in 2015 who gets paid and good looking. I got a ridiculous jawline, shredded. And I get paid to make people laugh. I get paid to make people laugh and I'm healthy. What's attractive about

people that have a situation like that is that you're appreciating it. When we talk to comics that whine about how many shows they have to do or that they can't get the sitcom made or they can't you know, man, it's fucking business. You know, I'm just tired. Fucking agents.

You know, have those conversations with people. I'm like, you're exhausting. Lack of perspective. You're exhausting. Pick up a history book or a newspaper. Also, I think people are in this weird position. Actors are perpetually in this position. And comics are in this position to a certain extent because they want to have sitcoms and things

along those lines. You have to be chosen. You have to be chosen. You know, you have to be chosen. Someone has to say, I'm going to hire Brian Callen for my show and we're going to make him a star. Whereas what's going on now for the first time ever is people

are doing podcasts that are turning them into famous people. You guys are famous from that fucking podcast. The Fighter and the Kid is a giant podcast. Yeah. I mean, you were already famous before that, and Shaub is already famous for the UFC, but there's a coalescence. There's this crazy energy behind you guys in that show that I see all the time.

When I was opening for you on your show, when you were filming your comedy special, the audience was filled with those Fighter and the Kid shirts. Crazy. I saw, I don't know how many I saw, but I saw all the different models that you have, all the different ones that you have. And so I think what a guy like you gets to do

that a lot of guys don't have that opportunity is you get to just be yourself. You get to be yourself. That's right. And you don't have to worry about the decisions of these other people that are trying to cast you or no deals to you. That's where all the frustration seems to come from. Those guys, it's all about dealing with other people. Yeah. And that's what acting is all the time.

What acting is all the time is getting chosen. Yeah. When you can become autonomous. And saying somebody else's words. Wearing somebody else's clothes. And somebody else's story. If you can become autonomous and you can get away from anybody else's opinions and ideas that you have to, they have to throw them into the soup, then you're truly responsible for your own work. And when you're truly responsible for whatever the fuck you're actually doing then you have a totally different kind of connection to it so like these guys that like

they get angry about the business about the way the business is changing in a weird way like you you really if you enjoy being a comic you really don't have to do anything else anymore like all that in the back of the day was just like boy i hope i can keep this comedy thing afloat until i can get that sitcom. Everybody wanted to get that sitcom. Remember that? Yeah, that's all anybody wanted. I know.

It was the end all is a holy grail. We would get mad when actors would fake it. Actors would put together some bullshit fucking generic act. And you knew that all they had was this seven minutes they were faking to try to get on a sitcom. And everybody was like, yeah, he's an actor. He's just an actor. He's an actor faking it. We get on a sitcom. Yep. And everybody was like, yeah, he's an actor. He's just an actor. He's an actor faking it. Like, we had these weird distinctions.

Yep. But the guy's up there doing stand-up with some stand-up that he wrote. But nope. Nope. He's faking it. Nah, he's faking it. It's for acting. It's just for acting.

Like, the end result. Well, you would get, you know, these people that would go up there and do that. And you really could see that they were like tom hanks and punchline yeah yeah yeah yeah they're like acting like a stand-up but then it's like well who the fuck should you be able to make who are you to make that distinction yeah you know why should you be able to make funny funny funny right so why how can you decide that he's not a real stand-up because he wanted to put together seven minutes? He used to always tell me to stand up.

I worked so hard at acting. Remember how hard, like I'd be in class and I just worked at it and I would do scenes and I would cry. And I, and then I just, I don't know, man. It's what happened is I just went, I got a taste of real stand-up and then with the podcast. And then I was like, man, I gotta go where I got to drive where and sit on a set for how long? Do five minutes of acting? If people saw how movies are made, I think they'd have a lot less reference for the entire process. If people saw how coal was pulled out of the ground, I think they'd appreciate it more.

I agree. Than just going and buying it. That's right. Coal would be on the cover of People magazine. Yeah. It's just I don't enjoy the process. I don't enjoy the process, and I don't enjoy some of the actors. I've met a lot of actors that are cool as fuck, but there's a lot of them that are a lot of fucking work, like a brutal amount of work.

Communicating with them is very frustrating, and they're stressed out all the time. They're in this thing where they're always trying to get approved. They're always trying to get cast. They're always trying to get... And you've got to create a network that way. You have to. You know, you're selling yourself and it's not easy. And you're selling yourself as being exactly like everybody else.

Yeah. You know, I mean, there's like a hum that they all have. They all have the same frequency hum. Yep. They try to stay on that frequency. They don't vary because they want those jobs. They want to be,

they don't even have their own political opinions a lot of the times. They just absorb this left-wing ideology that seems to be floating around Hollywood. Yep.

Yep. I know. It's a weird place, man. It's a weird place. But I think it's fucking changing in a big way, man. What, with the internet and podcasting? I think everything's changing. I think we're going to look back.

I think we're in the middle of the storm, and I don't think we quite realize how significant some of the changes in culture have been. I said it. When people are in an epoch, when they're in a changing movement, people who were coming into the renaissance didn't know they were in the renaissance didn't call it the renaissance didn't know that there was something called the renaissance or that they were even in the dark ages before that so there are countless examples of that where this is the most important date they

weren't aware of that they weren't aware of the bronze age then the metal age and all that so you're living your life and those kinds of forces and trends and movements are more subtle than that yeah i think this one though is so crazy that it it reveals a lot about the nature of recognition meaning like recognizing when things are weird uh because i don't think we're recognizing it nearly as much as it deserves What do you mean like well? I think that you get used people get used to things It's like if you go like Justin Wren the UFC fighter has been on this podcast a bunch of times He does they fight for forgotten?

Foundation that he created to go and build wells for the pygmies, you know He goes down there and builds these pygmies as well It's just a great guy But those folks who live there, that is their life. And that is what they're used to. Just like when we were on that Prince Edward, Prince of Wales Island, that was our life for those five days. That's one of the reasons why when I came back here, it felt so good to realize that this feeling of sun on your face is very pleasurable. This feeling of being around people and having, you know, the convenience of grocery stores and restaurants that are good and comedy clubs and all the good aspects that a city provides.

It made me like acutely aware of that because being in that environment, that could be like you adapt to that. People are super adaptative. Adaptative? Adaptive. Why does that look wrong? Adapt are super Adaptative adaptative adaptive and that's not wrong Adaptation additive no it is adaptive right after yeah, but people are really really adaptive We can change and we can morph and we can and I think in some ways We're not aware of when it's happening It just becomes a normal life like text messages and photos and being able to Google things

becomes normal. But I think historians, when they look back on the era between 1994 and 2015, they will see a tornado of information. They will see an unprecedented amount of data that's being passed back and forth to the point where at the end, at the very end of the line, which 2015 more data gets done in like an hour, then more data gets passed by in 24 hours than the entire history of the human race. Just stop and think about that. It's incredible. The entire history of the human race. That's how much data we produce every day.

That mean when you're talking about the movement of information, I mean, a lot of it's not, I don't know. By the way, I don't know. Those numbers are exactly correct. It might be like two days or one day,

whatever the fuck it is. It's some insanely small amount of time that represents the entire history of human beings writing things down. Most of it's bullshit. Most of it's Facebook messages and text messages and tweets. But the bottom line is it's exchanges. Okay. It might be nonsensical social exchanges that don't mean anything. LOL, WUT. It might be bullshit bullshit it might be instagram pictures of your ass and yoga pants it might be nonsense but in that nonsense there's an unprecedented amount of tweets that are leading people to check out articles that are leading people to maybe reform opinions or reconsider preconceived notions and then you'll start reading comments how other people agree or disagree and you start communicating with each other and the

unprecedented Sort of exchange is taking place. I just don't think we noticed it Well, it's also it's also bringing just happened while we're alive It's also humanizing a lot of those experiences so so so I think a lot of when you frame like for example as Bruce Jenner thing when you frame it like and people really do Understand it when you frame, like, for example, this Bruce Jenner thing, when you frame it like, and people really do understand it, when you frame it, somebody says, listen, not only have I always felt this way, but the overwhelming evidence is that anybody or most people who become transgender or go through gender reassignment surgery, if you look at how they always felt, if you ask them, they always felt this way, kind of like the

way somebody who was gay generally, usually will say, I've always been attracted to the same sex. So when you frame it that way and you see it and you see a person that, you know, is very real to you and acting the way everybody else does, it's hard not to empathize. It's hard not to have compassion. So that, in that sense, information is nudging us all together, all closer, at least. At least, I think you're right, we are becoming nicer, more gentle, more understanding. Yeah, we're becoming more aware of our similarities as opposed to... Differences. Yeah, focusing on our differences.

Yeah. And I think the similarities,'s what's super important like the core the core process is how we treat each other that's like what's super important and if we're treating each other in a negative way simply because of some ideas that we might have on who a person should or shouldn't be whether or not you should sleep with men like that's that's one of the best ones like that Or whether or not like I retweeted something from the 1930s I believe it was where a woman was going to jail for being a lesbian

It's a crazy picture Jamie see if you could pull it up. It's uh, it's on my my Twitter feed somewhere not that far down It's from old pics archives from 1940 When there's a crew was a crime to be a homosexual and this woman you know She's they're giving her a mugshot for being a lesbian. It's like just think about that. That's not that long ago man So it was at 75 years ago look at that. Yeah, that's horrible Yeah, that's scary to think of, man. That's how fucked up people can be. That's how ignorant people can be.

It hasn't been that long. It hasn't been that long since we've had civilization. No. It's only been a few thousand years. Really, I mean, the civilization they had a few thousand years ago, too, by the way, you can keep it. Yeah, you can keep it. You mean before anesthesia antibiotics put the fucking romans all the horrible shit that you heard people did back

then in war and that that's a really interesting point because the the romans and the mongols that you know back then it was it was excuse enough just to say i'm stronger i own you oh and by the way uh slavery was the order of the day. You took human beings as property. Always. Nowadays, what's interesting is that when any country does something that's bad, Russia and Ukraine couldn't just say they were trying to annex territory. They justify what they were doing. The Putin regime justifies what they're doing on the idea that, look, we're just protecting

our Russian people that are there. No matter who you're talking to, no matter what country you're talking to, no matter Syria, when they're bombing the rebels, whatever, Syria, the Assad regime will talk about the fact that they are protecting a lot of different communities in a very diverse country, etc., etc. And what I think is interesting is that with so many people watching, anybody who's doing anything that could be considered violent, murderous, bad in general, must be justified along moral grounds. It's no longer allowed to say, we're fucking taking over your country because we're Roman,

and Romans are better. That used to be all the excuse they needed. We're fucking taking over your country because we're Roman. And Romans are better. That used to be all the excuse they needed. We're Romans. We have a right to everything we can see. It belongs to us because we are superior. And everyone else is not. So they can either die, get out of the way, or be our slaves. Well, that was the only way you survived back then is if you were the stronger one

with that attitude, because that was the attitude that you were going to encounter. Like the, what the Mongols did when they found a new civilization, like when they found the Pope, the first contact with the Pope was saying, we're aware that you weren't aware, but this is the great con.

The great con runs everything. So you're going to have to pay some fucking tribute and bow down Oh, you're all dead like that's it. It's how it goes. Yeah, and that was what they did They they believed they ruled over everything on the earth. Yeah, I didn't have a territory what territory what the whole thing They wanted the whole earth and that was the standard operational behavior of like the classic marauders Yeah from a thousand to two I mean that was the standard operational behavior of like the classic marauders from 1000 to, I mean, that was the 1200s. Imagine what it was like 1000 years before that where they were really savages or 2000 years before that. But it raises questions about whether this stuff is endemic to human beings.

Like they were doing the study on chimps and they have a lot of evidence. They've already seen it, but they have a a lot of evidence even like from past chimps that you know different when they study different areas and communities that a group of large a large group of males will come in and and overrun a smaller group of males in an isolated area and kill all beat the fucking shit out of them kill them and come in and either kill their kids or, you know, have sex with the women. Very human-like behavior. Very typical. And it used to be that the idea that human beings were violent like that

was because we didn't know any better and that it wasn't a natural impulse. In fact, we're not naturally violent because kids aren't. And so that's a learned behavior. The problem is you see that kind of behavior in the animal world. You see it among dolphins, and you see it among chimps. And you certainly see it in spades in indigenous cultures that have had very little contact with other cultures, have not shared information with other cultures.

Well, if there's no civilization, if you don't have an infrastructure, if you don't have food that's you don't have foods coming in you then you you have struggle and when you have struggle you have danger when you have danger You have people that are going to take advantage of people that are weaker than them and you you have a breakdown of what? We consider civilization I mean and when you get into these really rural Communities like the further and further back in time the the more and more prevalent that shit's going to be. That's the way people behave. Scarcity also changes the way your brain behaves. Of course.

You get competitive. It gets super dangerous. I think that people are capable of amazing feats of kindness and people are awesome to be around. And people are also un-fucking-believably evil. Like, if you look at that ISIS video, I didn't watch it, but it was described to me, of the Jordanian pilot who was lit on fire. They did it in slow-mo from different angles.

I mean, they filmed it, they set it up. They set up a shot, and then they filmed this guy getting burned to death. The fact that people are capable of that kind of cruelty to each other. And at the same time, there's selfless people that are out there like Justin Wren, who's living with the pygmies in the Congo and he's digging wells for them. Well, they always say human beings, not all day, but the book, Our Inner Ape, the author says that we are a bipolar ape.

We're a bipolar ape capable of incredible cruelty, incredible kindness, incredible acts of destruction, incredible acts of beauty. And that's the, that is called the problem of humanity. That is exactly what we are. We're this, well,

we're also in this constant state of struggle. And I think one of the things that people are like the, the, the negative push that I totally understand against masculine thinking and masculine behavior is that we're moving towards this more aware more sensitive more or kind society and the further you move away from those roots of the ancient barbarians the better off we're going to be maybe maybe maybe But I would also suggest that male aggression. I like how you're fucking playing with your belt.

I'm playing with my belt as I'm talking about this. I don't fuck around. Male aggression. That's like a classic storyteller. Naturally, too. I'll tell you what, boys. Tell you something. Pull up a chair, boys.

How many guys do that? They pull up their belt when they got about to tell you something serious listen here don fry let me tell you what that's that's a man's man that's a man's man saw him yesterday i i was i i was obsessed um but i think masculine aggression has also given us so many of the goodies uh you want to go through the list of heaps of fresh vegetables in the middle of the wintertime, all the inventions that push us beyond our biology, it requires a little aggression, I think, sometimes. And even, God forbid I say it, competition, ruthless competition. That's how things progress. The problem with that is that people are going to lose,

and people don't like losing because they think losing is a bad feeling. So they think of competition and competitive people as being negative. Okay, so that's my worry about the feminization, quote unquote, of our society. I think that we have to be very careful that we don't forget the positive aspects of what you'd call unoriginal macho energy. I think the problem is that it's not masculine energy that's a problem that people are upset about. I think it gets misconstrued. I think the problem that we all have is with assholes. That is the problem across the board, whether it's women or it's men when you see like these crazy radical feminists who attack speakers because they you know want to support men's rights and divorce court and whatever the fucking reason is that the really aggressive like this is archetypal video of this super aggressive

feminist outside of this thing in toronto and she's got red hair and she's screaming at people like what she wants and what she doesn't want for men and when they can shut the fuck up. And, you know, and, and she's telling people in the audience, shut the fuck up. The people that, that, that exist like that, then they become the problem because the problem is not like the idea that women deserve everything that men deserve and that we should have equal treatment by law. The problem is assholes is assholes representing a point of view that I probably don't disagree with. Yeah. But I disagree with her.

Right. And I disagree with someone who is generalizing about an entire gender because that's ridiculous. Of course it is. Or generalizing about a type of person that is in that gender. Like you can't. Everybody is entitled to start from zero. And as soon as you're prejudiced whether you're prejudiced against white people or whether you're prejudiced against men or whether you're prejudiced

against gays or transgenders or whatever the fuck it is as soon as you stop treating that person as like and you come at them from a totally even spot then you're the asshole. Right. And I would suggest that we benefit also and enjoy a lot about life based on people who created things whose motives, their motives may have been less than stellar. Sure. A lot of people are driven by just pure ego, domination, greed, and those things do not always create bad things. In fact, a lot of times they create incredible innovations, better ways to do things. You know, so much, what is, what's another word for innovation? Another word for innovation

is destruction. You're destroying how people used to do it. When we came up with the combustion, internal combustion engine and put it in a vehicle and turn it into a car, people that made a lot of money making buggy whips went out of fucking business. Because I don't need your fucking buggy whip because my car doesn't respond to buggy whips. It responds to what I call rock oil, which turned out to be oil.

So, you know, that's the other thing to keep in mind. Innovation is an aggressive thing. It's competition. It's competition. It's destruction. Well, you know, we deal with that all the time with businesses, right? When businesses start to get pressure in the marketplace from other outside businesses and you deal with this weird thing that happens with with commerce

You know it becomes this just gigantic contest and some aspects of it We feel like we need to save like that's what happened. That's why I think business right they go to the government say Yeah, don't let us fail. Well. What's what's really interesting to me is like there's there's people that got bailouts, right? Like who got bailouts almost all the banks almost all the sacks etc were there other businesses they got bailouts as well or just banks the car the car auto industry was bailed out as well right turned out both cases by the way turned out to be success stories to an extent they really did so they made the money and while gm especially has made some amazing fucking cars yeah but i always respected that that Ford didn't take any money?

They were doing well enough, and I don't remember why. They make the best trucks. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, Ford pickup trucks. They sell a lot of fucking trucks, dude. Everywhere you go, you go to a hunting ranch, or you go to cattle ranches, they drive those fucking F-150s. Those things are bulletproof.

Also, what bankrupt a lot of those companies were their pension plans. So you would retire, they'd pay medical benefits for your entire family for the rest of your life and you got 95% of your salary. Here's the payoff. So what is the money? $549 billion? That's how much they got? Keep in mind, everybody.

Keep in mind, a billion seconds is 33 years, roughly. So that's how much a billion dollars is. Yeah, but they're not giving them seconds. They're giving them dollars. That's what I mean. 1,000 million. So 549, is that what it was?

Yeah. 549 billion. Billion dollars. Insane. Yeah. That hurts. I believe the banks paid off that money, though. I'm sorry if I'm wrong.

Look at those numbers. For the most part, they all paid it off. The government made a lot of money off that deal. Really? Yes, because they got interest. Wow. So they made actually a lot more money. No shit most part, they all paid it off. The government made a lot of money off that deal. Really? Yes, because they got interest. Wow. So they made actually a lot more money. No shit.

Yep. The banks paid back and paid interest. What did they do with the money that they earned, that they got from it? What happens to that? They paid it back with interest. No, no, no. I mean the government. What does the government do with that money?

I don't really know. They don't give it back to the people that paid the taxes, do they? It does things like builds roads and things, I guess. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. They don't have to account for it paid the taxes, do they? It does things like builds roads and things, I guess. Maybe. They don't have to account for it. It's the most ridiculous system ever. Well, we know that when you throw money, just money at a problem, like in Baltimore, I believe, which is the worst school system in the country, I think we spend federal dollars,

we spend more money on per student. It's the third most amount of spending per student than any other town or state in the union. That's kind of amazing. And guess what? You can't just throw money at a problem. So many of these issues that I'm kind of becoming fascinated with don't require money or it's not a Democratic or Republican issue. For example, one of the biggest challenges we're going to face is that there are a lot of people out there who don't fit into the 21st century economy. They don't have a skill set that requires that. So they do manual labor, they do minimum wage jobs. You can raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, I guess. I don't know what it's like to run a small business. I know a lot

of small business people say that's too much. I don't know. But that's actually not the problem. Every time you hear Democrats or Republicans talking, they say things like, hey, man, you know, we got to do something about this income inequality. So the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. And we got to tax the rich. Everybody has their point of view. No, trickle down economics. The problem is, in fact, that what's really going on is technology is taking the place of a lot of these unskilled jobs. And we are going to have, as technology grows exponentially, robots and different forms of technology are going to take over so many of the jobs that people have now. Bus drivers. We're going to have autonomous vehicles. I don't know when it's going to be, but bus drivers will be out of business, out of work. And there are so many examples of that. What we have to start doing, rather than worrying about redistributing wealth, the most important thing is getting these people ready for the 21st century economy, which is probably going to change all the time,

which means you got to figure out how you're going to fit in to an economy that doesn't operate the way traditional economies work anymore. There's just different needs, different services. Things are always changing. Things are very trendy. That's the biggest challenge. And that's a hard fucking pill to swallow

for someone who's banked their entire family's existence on horseshoes. Damn right. Also, this goddamn engine thing comes along and no one needs a fucking horseshoe. But you can't go to the government and say, hey, government, bail me out and give me subsidies for the rest of my life because somebody has to pay for that. And that's all of us. And so taxes get higher.

And that's what we have to be careful of. I just really, there is a place for government, but you have to be careful of saying, hey, the government's going to come in here and save the day. It's a bankrupt way of thinking. You've got to evolve, got to change. You got to be honest. You got to be honest. This might be a skill that's no longer needed. And robots are going to change everything. They are going to change everything. And then when you get intelligent robots, you have like these robot slaves. You're going to have robots that are going to do all your construction. You're going to have absolute precise measurements on things.

You'll have a robot that's building houses like a human being builds houses. But robots. Robots walking upstairs carrying gigantic bags of cement with no strain on their back. All manual labor jobs. Robots. I don't think you're going to see any robots in the comics, guys. So I think our jobs are safe for at least our lifetime. Well, we're lucky as fuck.

Not just that we're comics, but also that you can't fix that with a robot. You can't make a robot funny. They have done some random joke generators, but you know what? They lack that pop of the great bits. Yeah. The great bits that has this unique perspective like you're gonna get a robot to mimic Bill Burr or I was gonna say yes absolutely Joey Joey Diaz I was gonna say Mitch Hedberg actually because his absurdist point of view was like really only effective I think with his way of communicating like his his style of delivery you know you're

not going to figure that out with a computer you're just not not going to figure out why it's appealing it's um we're lucky as shit being a person who's like getting out of school now and thinking about jobs that used to exist just a short while ago that are nonsense now. They're just nonsense jobs like how many people in the the era of you know 1995 had some sort of training and school and education and Technologically related things and technology creating of technology by time they get out of school Everything that they learn is irrelevant.

Didn't you have a problem with that, Jamie? To explain your problem. I mean, I went to school to work in a recording studio. Right. And at worst, maybe work in a radio station, they would say. And this is kind of like what my education has kind of turned into, to be able to control essentially a radio show. But there are no recording studios for me to go work in.

They don't exist anymore. There's maybe five in LA. There's probably a couple more than that, but anyone that has been working there for the last 15 years is still working there. They're not hiring new young blood to come in because they need to work for the next 15 years. You know what I mean?

There's just not that much of a demand. And they're not making music in those studios either. You can do it at home. You can do it at home. You can do it at home. Easy. You used to have to have these incredible systems, right? And now you just have a regular Apple computer. Or even a Windows computer is fine, right?

Dave Grohl's movie called Sound City or something like that, I believe, came out a couple years ago. It was really good. It kind of shows how that all happened over the last 10 years. Yeah. You're finding these houses for sale. There's a lot of houses that have like recording studios built in them for sale Crazy, but you don't need all that shit. Yeah There's a lot of those instances of

the technology The technology just doesn't wait for you. Just if you if you learn computer programming pre 1990 What are you to do today? What are you going to do, stupid? Yeah. What are you going to do? Nothing.

You have your old schools? It's anything technologically related, like banking on one thing over another. Someone just invited me to some startup of some new multimedia, social media sort of a thing. Yeah. And I remember thinking, good luck with this like good luck like why why would i invest any of my time to try to go check out go to a speech and see like the unveiling of this thing like if it's good it'll get online i'll hear about it yeah that's it yeah that's it yeah you're not gonna get behind anything before it's good like you don't know why it is or why it isn't who said who's to say certain things catch on certain things don't But you gotta let them just catch on you know, let them catch on like I had some

Academics come to me because they had listened. Yeah, I have a lot of academics on my podcast the old Brian count show not the fun and kid but uh and I I had some academics come to me and say listen we want to put together a uh a convention something called evocon so it's uh a convention on evolution and we want to get all the great minds of evolution together and people that understand and get together and have a convention about evolution and with the idea that we can get that 40 percent of americans or whoever it is who don't believe in evolution, over on our side. Let's give them the evidence. Because the scientific

community, science is fascinating, but they've done a very bad job communicating their message. They don't do a good job communicating. Because what happens with academics and people in that world is that they become very insular. And they become very incestuous and they're only talking to each other and they're not talking to people who are casting votes and and who ultimately have say in public policy and stuff well you know I learned from Kevin and Folto's on the podcast the other day who is a scientist and works a lot with GM foods GMO foods yeah and explaining what they really are one of the things he was talking about to me was that he works for the public, essentially. He's a public scientist.

But when they research something or come to some conclusions, they publish them in these papers or journals. These journals are often hidden behind paywalls. Yes. So the very people that paid to fund these studies don't really have access to them and there was a kid who could went to jail for hacking into yes he killed a university they were yeah they were charging him with like some serious crime yeah is that Aaron Schwartz I think is Aaron Schwartz yeah I think it was Aaron Schwartz, yeah. Was that the same case?

Yeah, he hacked into all these sort of academic papers that were not made public. Yeah, he made them public. You had to pay for them. They were put on, you know, you had to pay for them, and he hacked them and made them public. Without the professor's intellectual property. That's their intellectual property. They didn't give a say, so the university makes money off of it, and he just gave them to everybody and and then they threatened him to make an example and he ended up killing himself Well, how do you feel about that? That seems here more than a year after Swartz killed himself rather than face prosecutions questions about MIT's handling of the case persist

Scroll down. I feel as though I think Aaron Schwartz What you know if you if you, if somebody has intellectual property, it's an academic paper on something, and they can make money off it, they should be allowed to make money off it. And if it's your property and somebody comes in and breaks into your password and just gives it away for free, that's not cool. I think that's what he did. I don't know.

I just- But if you are a public scientist and if you are working for a university that receives tax dollars from the community and you do this work, doesn't that work belong to everyone? Very good question. Because everyone paid for it. If not, how are you public? If you are getting money and you're earning money from the money that was put up by the public to pay for you. I mean, you have to kind of define what we allow and what we don't allow. So in some ways, he probably had a really good point.

The way he went after it was kind of theft. Right. I mean, he invaded someone's property, which is the university. Whether or not it should be their property, that's debatable. But the fact that he wasn't allowed into their servers and he got in there all he did was download some stuff so it's not malicious i think whatever crime they should have uh pointed at him would have been like nothing like a fine maybe say hey man you can't just break into people's can't just hack into people's servers that is fucked up so you should

get some sort of fine for that but the idea of jail time i mean i'm talking about like a five hundred dollar fine or a thousand000 or something like that. And put him on probation and say, don't ever do this again, man. You can't hack into people's. But the idea that this guy was under so much stress that he killed himself over releasing academic papers, which clearly there's no malice involved. You're not trying to hurt anybody. Well, they threaten him with, I think, life in prison.

I mean, they threaten him with something terrible. He's trying to release things that make people smarter. You know, he's trying to put more of that out there. And then you do the math and you go, well, how did this stuff get funded? Did it get funded by taxpayers? So why the fuck do we have to pay for it? Why do I have to pay for the results of these pub studies? Yeah.

Pub med studies or whatever the fuck they are. If somebody publishes something in a paper and it was funded by taxpayers, it should be available. It should be in a public library somewhere. What did this guy talk about as far as GMOs? I mean, there's a lot of misinformation out there, right? Yeah, he was... A lot of prejudice.

It's a long, long podcast. We did three full hours, and he was great. He's a really, really interesting guy. And, man, people have some crazy misconceptions, and they stick to them like glue. Yeah. no matter what he said on the podcast and what he explained on the podcast you see people arguing with it online they're religious they're religious they're fundamentalist about it yeah they don't understand

um what it means to modify these foods like these ideas of frankenfoods these ideas of what's dangerous and deadly it's something that people have been doing forever they've just been doing it and he was explaining how they were splicing plants together and creating hybrids of plants And that they would take you know the requires less sometimes they require less pesticides, but he's so he's talking about it This has been done forever Yeah and it's like the difference being that now they're engineering certain things to turn on genes or turn off genes or and People are concerned that this could be really dangerous and he was really honest about it, man

He's like yes, I'm concerned like there should be some concern He was really honest about the whole idea of we we don't exactly know that this is gonna be safe for everybody at every single Turn every time but if you just look at the things we're going over the things that kill people right now, like peanuts. Brian has a fucking allergy to penicillin. Yeah, my mother does too. She'll die. If my mother eats one Brazil nut, one, she'll die.

That's crazy. So think of that. Just imagine if that was a drug. If that was a drug that was released by the pharmaceutical company, would those numbers be tolerated? Boy, I don't think so. I don't think so. So if it's a combinatory plant or vegetable, something that they've created, and it whacks out one person out of 100 million, should that be okay?

I don't think it should, but, man, it's a tough argument. We make those calls all the time. Exactly. Aspirin kills a number of people. Thousands of people every year. Now, nobody in their right mind is going to ban aspirin. It's a tough argument. We make those calls all the time. Aspirin kills a number of people. Thousands of people every year. Now, nobody in their right mind is going to ban aspirin. It's a great drug and helps a lot of people with chronic pain. Dude, a lot of people drink too much water and die from that every year.

That's right. Anything is toxic in certain quantities. That's a fact. But the thing about this is that people are worried about cancer because they're worried about what they're doing to these plants are not natural

and that's how they're able to fight off these pesticides. And it's a legitimate concern. When you look into what's actually going on and actually being done, I think most of the plants that we're worried about

when it comes to that stuff, I think those are the ones that they feed to animals. And then you're worried about, okay, now you're eating the plants that we're worried about when it comes to that stuff, I think those are the ones that they feed to animals. And then you're worried about, okay, now you're eating the animal that's eating this stuff that has this roundup shit on it. Like, what is, what's that? What's going on there? Because, like, we were talking about bears. Like, if you eat a bear that's been eating blueberries, it's supposed to be, like, the most delicious meat in the world.

Steve Rinella talks about this. delicious meat in the world. Steve Rinella talks about this. He had an episode where he shot this bear in Alaska and as he's butchering the bear, the bear fat has blue. It's a blue hue, like almost a purple hue because of the blueberries this thing's been eating. Who's to say that if you're giving a fucking cow or you're giving some whatever animal some, this roundup shit, if if it's in if you're spraying

it on vegetables to kill bugs and then those vegetables get fed are you washing them before you give them to your cows like how exactly are you treating them and make sure there's nothing in there if there is something in there just like how the blueberry makes the bear taste different that's gotta do something to what you're eating. It's just got to. It's just got to be affecting the flesh that you're taking into your body. And there's a potential if you're eating toxic shit. If that is like that cow is eating some pesticides, that's got to be able to get into the meat. So maybe the yoga lady was right.

Wait a minute. Meat is totally toxic, man. Toxic! I mean, look, if you look at it that way, she kind of almost has a point. If you're not getting free range, grass fed. If indeed Roundup is that bad, if indeed it does get in the meat, if indeed it does

to a quantity that affects you, I don't know. Did you ever see the there was one of these shows where this guy had offered to drink Roundup. He had said it was totally safe. You don't have to worry about it. He goes, I would drink it. And the guy goes, you drink it?

Yeah, well, I've got a glass here. Drink it. And the guy goes, well, you're just being a total jerk. And he leaves. You should watch it because it's hilarious. Well, the guy did drink. I don't know if it was Roundup. Watch this.

Hold on. Start it from the beginning and give us some volume because this is wonderful. It's hilarious. Well, the guy did drink, I don't know if it was Roundup. Watch this. Hold on. Start it from the beginning and give us some volume, because this is wonderful. It's French. I love this. Hold on. I believe that glyphosate in Argentina is causing increases in cancer. You can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you. You want to drink some?

We have some here. I'd be happy to, actually. Not really, but I know it wouldn't hurt me. If you say so. I have some glyphosate. No, no actually, but not really. Not really? I know it wouldn't hurt me. If you say so. I have some glyphosate. No, no, I'm not stupid. Ah, okay, so you... No, but I know...

So it's dangerous, right? No, people try to commit suicide with it and fail fairly regularly. Tell the truth. It's dangerous. It's not dangerous to humans. No, it's not. So are you ready to drink one glass of glyphosate? No, I'm not an idiot.

Interview me about golden rice. That's what I'm talking about okay then it's finished except then the interview is finished let's say that's a good way to solve things yeah you're a complete jerk come on man you're a complete jerk he got mad quickly didn't he yeah of course he did if you dare me i'm gonna have to probably drink it well he's a liar he's a liar the guy who uh they were they were they were spraying the trees i think it was california the orange trees for fruit flies or whatever and he started the meeting uh he was the owner of the company started the meeting by

drinking an entire glass of it oh my god yeah and carried on he goes so here's how dangerous it is ready guys glug glug glug glug glug Doesn't taste good or whatever. Boom. And that was a famous way he started that sort of like to prove to everybody that this product is not toxic. Okay, but then how does it kill bugs? Well, I think bugs, I don't know, but I do know that it usually will attack the bug

central nervous system or something or it causes some, it fucks with one enzyme. I would like to talk to that dude today. What if he's turning into the fly? Exactly. He's just got dude today What if he's turning into the fly Exactly He's just got really thick hair And he's strong as shit It just gets weird And he throws up stuff on his food

And then He fucks all the time Remember when Jeff Goldblum was just Oh Great movie Great movie It's a great goddamn movie Jeff Goldblum is about

Seven Eight He's a giant man It's huge Fucking huge He's so talented man I love him in Jurassic Park It's one of my all time He's a giant man. Huge. Fucking huge. He's so talented, man. I love him in Jurassic Park. He's also got an impossible dick.

Whoa. He's got an impossible dick on him. How big? I hear it's, first of all, there are two things that he has going for him. And I know a girl dated him. And I dated her for about ten minutes. And she said, well, he plays the piano, concert piano. He's a concert pianist,

basically. And he's got a donkey dick. And I thought, I said, of course I went, well, hold on. I stop everything. Fuck his piano.

Let's get to his dick immediately. Immediately. And I had to ask her and she showed me her forearm. She said, it's as big as my forearm. Whoa. Just a monster heart.

Yeah, I said, and of course, and I said, you slut. How dare you? And I said you slut how dare you and I said who's better in bed

and she goes I'm not going to talk about that well you lost there I definitely lost to the six foot six donkey dick piano playing rich as shit

successful as fuck if you watch that movie The Fly you'll get an idea of how he fucks too yeah yeah he's got a he's a stud

he's got an easy bone structure so I love him in Jurassic Park it's one of my all time favorite roles of his he's a stud. He's got an easy bone structure. I love him in Jurassic Park. It's one of my all-time favorite roles of his. He's just great. Yeah, he's an interesting dude. You know he was in Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Yes, I do know that. You know, I was amazed.

I was like, God, what was he, like 20? He also had a very tiny part in Annie Hall. Really? Yep, he was almost an extra. Wow. God, is he unique. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. He's great as a scientist, too, because as a scientist, he has all these unique quirks

about the way he describes things and processes things. You totally believe he's intelligent enough to be making that. Like in The Fly, it's a perfect example. Can you imagine a dull actor playing that role? When he's pitching it and he's passionate about it, that excitement, you really believe it. You really believe he's the guy who created that transporter. There's also that kind of thing he does. He's always thinking about it as he talks about it.

I just wear the same clothing all the time. I picked it up from Einstein because that way I don't have to think about what I wear. But I believe it. Me too. You know what I'm saying? Me too. He's one of those guys where while he's doing it on stage or in a you know on the movie you you really believe you forget that it's jeff

goldblum yeah even for brief moments like he's good enough that it just hypnotizes you and you're like wow he fucking kicked ass in that one yeah there's only a few of those people out there walking is probably that way too just such a unique Dunaway. Just such a unique way. Ooh, I know. That's a name from the past. Faye Dunaway. Faye Dunaway. Dude, Chinatown.

Watch Chinatown with Jack Nicholson. God damn, she could act. Phenomenal movie. Jesus Christ, she was good. So was he, too, man. Yeah. Jesus Christ, that's a good movie. What's his name in the movie?

Hank or something? I don't remember. Forget it, Hank. It's Chinatown. Fuck. She's my mother. No, she's my daughter. She's myank it's chinatown fuck she's my mother no she's my daughter she's my sister she's my daughter she's my sister remember that where he's slapping her face john they cut his nose they sliced his nose you know you know for for

10 points you know who actually cut his nose no that was roman polanski really that was the director wow and uh then he had sex with a 13 yearyear-old and had to go to France and he could never come back. Oh, easy. I think, yeah. Didn't he drug her or something, too? She was on drugs and she was high and he sodomized her as well in a jacuzzi. But did he drug her? No, I think she was doing the drugs and she had had sex with somebody else and she'd been there before, but she's 13.

I had an argument with a bunch of fans of his and I said, look, it's fine. I know that you're coming up with reasons why he could and he should be let back in the United States. Fine. If it was your daughter, if it was your 13 year old, 13, just, just how would you feel? That's not the point. It is the point. No.

How's that not the point it is the point how's that not the point point the point is like well the only thing that could be not the point is is he that same guy now is he that same guy now or were you dealing with a guy who if many people don't know roman polanski terrible as he might be suffered one of the most insane things that can ever happen to a person the Holocaust? The Manson family killed his wife and cut his pregnant wife's belly open and smeared

blood all over the wall I mean what they did that was the Tate LaBianca murders Sharon Tate was Roman Polanski's wife that was his right yeah it was his baby at the time and his wife at the time i mean that has got to be a mind breaker now i'm not saying that that would resort someone to pedophilia but i mean who knows what was going

on in that guy's mind or life at that point. If he's not that guy anymore, and that woman, wherever she is, if she's still alive, forgives him, I could see him being able to lead a normal life. I mean, there's been enough... He was also, I believe, a concentration camp survivor, or at least he had been in the Holocaust in Poland as a Jew and had to flee. Yeah, I think one of those two I remember as well, so it's like look that guy's been through some horrific horrific shit, and it certainly doesn't

justify or exonerate him rather from anything terrible that he's done, but At a certain point in time you got to go like what should, what should be done about something that happened 25 years ago? Should he have to do time in jail? Has he escaped that punishment? Well, there is a statute of limitations for that very reason and to answer that question. But do you know what I'm saying about? 100%. Yeah.

That's why the statute of limitations exists, because you're not thought to be that person anymore? I believe that's the logic behind. I believe that's at least the partial logic behind that law. Isn't that one of the crazy things about, like, contracts? Like, contracts and leases and things along those lines. Like, it's agreeing that you're going to be the same person to a certain extent. Like a marriage or certain jobs. More relevant even is somebody on death row who committed a crime when he was 18.

Now he's 45 and is a very different person than when he was 18. There are a lot of examples of that. Well, why are you expected to be responsible for things that you did 18 over, but under 18 you become a juvenile? But the reason for that is physiological, actually. The reason for that is that the frontal cortex of a teenager is not fully developed. And that's the area of your brain you use to make decisions. And so teenagers biologically, from what I understand, are more impulsive and all that. Much more impulsive, especially boys.

Teenage boys have the worst of that. And they say until they're 25, like, it doesn't even fully form. That's why they said that if you want to get rid of all crime, just take all 14-year-old boys, take them from 14 to the age of 21, lock them in prison, and you'll never have a violent crime. Well, they had a study about the amount of violent crimes that are committed by people in that age range, and it's overwhelming. And a lot of it is just, yeah, it's a lack of perspective, lack of understanding what the consequences of your actions are and

these weird impulses that teenagers have these weird ancient fucking primate impulses that still exist there's you know I remember them very well I just got over him two of three years ago yeah man it's um it's not easy evolving the other thing I mean I don't know whether he knew she was 13 there are a lot of issues but i mean at the end of the day if you have sex with a 13 year old you know and she's drugged up i don't know man you know yeah i can't i can't forgive you no it's 100 crazy yeah the other two factors the the holocaust thing and the um whether or not that's true is that true do we figure that out i think you had to flee the country yeah he was living

in the krakow ghettos uh he wasn't in like uh now the Krakow ghettos but let me give you an example the Krakow ghettos I believe this is a good statistic uh four million Jews lived there roughly over almost 700 years uh in in in Poland they were a huge part of the fabric uh the academic fabric and the business fabric and by the end of that four years five years of four million five million jews there were about less than 50 000 left they'd all been killed and crack i remember most of the terrible concentration camps were in poland and if you lived in that crack out ghetto during that time period it was the worst some of the worst it's probably one of the worst places to be in the history of the look at that during the age of five he attended primary school for only a few

weeks until all the Jewish children were abruptly expelled yep god that's gotta be so fucking scary you just tell your children you can't go to school anymore cuz you're Jews and they got then they were sent off sent off to concentration camps killed very quickly a lot of them died on the trains on the way there. All Jewish children over the age of 12 to wear white armbands with the blue star of David imprinted for visual identification. Fuck. Ugh.

And again, this doesn't exist. Watch his father taken away. This is horrible, horrible, horrible shit. Yeah. Yeah. But, still, like, horrible shit. Yeah. Yeah. But still, like, okay, so what do you do with a guy like that? What do you do? Do you let him back in here?

I mean, he obviously went through a bunch of horrendous shit. Do you make him come back in here and go to jail? Like, what do you do? Like, you say, hey, you can come back and live in America, but you have to go to jail for a year. How many years do you make him go to jail for what he did? I don't know. I can't answer that question. 25 years?

You know, today you would say it would be 25 years at least, right? If someone did that to a 13-year-old, you'd say 25 years in jail. If someone did that to a 13-year-old, you'd say 25 years in jail. If he comes over here and it's so many years after the crime, does he have to do the same amount of time that he would have had to do if it was the 1970s when he was convicted? I don't think that if he came over here now, he would be thrown in jail. Would he? My question is, would you be subject to the ideas and the laws of 1970?

Oh, that's interesting. Or would you be subject to the ideas and the laws of 2015? I think if you were tried in absentia, then you would be. But I'm not sure. Yeah, because I think probably the punishments probably varied between then and now. Well, the punishments probably varied between then and now the way uh well the punishments also vary on circumstance so rape murder have a specific you know they carry with them a penalty right that penalty is predicated upon the circumstances and a lot of other things that wasn't always the case was it uh well there's that now you're talking about the difference in natural law and and you know

circumstantial law so you know natural law would say whatever the case what you did was out of the out of the nature of how human beings was bad you stole something there's no other reason there's no other circumstance it doesn't matter it's not relevant you go to jail um you killed somebody the fact of the matter is that it's unnatural to kill somebody. You pay with your life. Modern societies realize that crimes are committed. And I don't even think it was modern societies. I mean, it was always the question. I mean, the biggest Cicero, it goes back to the Romans where it says, look, if you park your chariot here in this town, well, you're going to get a fine. Oh, but you know what? Where I live in Carthage,

I can park my chariot there. And the guy goes, all right, well, here's a warning. Don't do it again because now you're in Rome. But if you snatch a baby out of a woman's arms and kill it or something terrible, regardless, the law will say in Rome, no, you go to jail. No, but in Carthage, we're allowed to do that. Or I'm from the Mongol Tartar steppes. We do that. Fine. That's fine. You're still going to pay with your life. Why? Because what you did falls under an unnatural act. So no matter what your culture says, that was an unnatural act and unnatural acts unnatural act, meaning they were outside the realm of human conduct. And so you must pay a price regardless of where you're from, including whether or not

you knew that was right or wrong. That's a very important aspect of law. It's something that people talk about all the time. That's how you start drawing distinctions between crimes that are excusable based on circumstance and crimes that just, no matter what. Like drug smuggling. Or how about, drug smuggling is one thing, but there are crimes like all of us in most societies would suggest

that if an adult has sex with a five-year-old, I don't give a fuck. It's an unnatural crime. It's an unnatural crime and you're going to do... Did you see that the Silk Road creator got life in prison without the possibility of parole? No. Did you see that?

It's insane. The Silk Road as in Afghanistan? No. The Silk Road was a dark web... There's a great documentary by Alex Winter. What's it called the deep web and it's about the dark web it's about this this system that was created by the military and they were using it to buy and sell drugs and some people who bought those drugs died and they they overdosed

these people that were using it were not him. It wasn't the guy who created it. The guy created just a portal for people to use it. He created a way for people to communicate and exchange drugs for money or for bitcoins or for whatever. They were investigated by these DEA agents. It turned out the DEA agents stole like hundreds of thousands of dollars in bitcoin and transferred it into personal accounts. And there was a lot of fuckery involved. And he went to jail and they just tried him and convicted him. And the judge sentenced him to life in prison.

Life. For creating a website. If the appeal is not successful, he will concurrently serve two life sentences, a 20-year sentence, a 15-year sentence, and a 20-year sentence, a 15-year sentence, and a five-year sentence without parole. Wow. Fuck, man. For creating this technology,

this sort of secret tunnel to... Well, he created a way for people to be able to buy and sell drugs, illegal drugs. Was he working for a cartel or something? No, no. He was working. He thought he was working for good because he's a talented programmer and he figured out a way to let people buy things that they wanted to buy. It was giving people the opportunity away to anonymously or semi-anonymously trade goods and funds for things that were deemed prohibited.

I'm surprised that they weren't able to argue, create a better defense for him. Well, I don't think you get a chance to, man. I think you get railroaded by the government in these sort of cases. They wanted to convict him. You know, if they want to, they can keep things out of evidence. Like the idea that you get a totally fair trial is really sad. It's not the case, especially when it comes to drugs. You know, when Todd McCormick got arrested, he went to jail for growing medical marijuana legally under state laws. They addressed him,

they arrested him and prosecuted him in a federal court. When they get you in a federal court, the first thing they tell you is there is no such thing as medical marijuana. So you're not allowed to mention medical marijuana. You can't use it as a defense you can't bring it up like you could cause a mistrial or you could get sanctioned by the court if you change the definitions if you bring up the fact that it's legal in your state since it's not legal federally it's irrelevant so they silence you from communicating the realities of this nuanced situation They try to pretend that it's black and white you were selling drugs. Yes or no Well, yes, but I was selling them legally in the state of California as voted upon by the people of California There was a proposition that was passed medical marijuana was passed

I was selling it legally through this proposition and you they can't say that so he went to jail He never in his defense that he ever was he ever allowed to even say he was growing it Legally in his state because federal charges Trump state law Federal government just decides they're dictators. They just decide I don't give a fuck what you voted for the whole group of us We say fuck you and we say fuck you about about something that's never killed a single person ever. Amazing. We're talking about all these different things that kill people. We're talking about salt killing people and aspirin killing people

and how many people die from drinking too much water. Even though millions of people smoke weed, no one dies from it. You just can't do it. You can't do it. You could die from water way quicker than you could die from weed. Isn't that weird? God damn. It's stupid as fuck.

And the fact that people will go to jail for that and have gone to jail for that is stupid as fuck. It's a magic plan. It's another thing that's changing. It's another thing. I think the evidence is just too overwhelming. It is. It's an old law, but it's amazing how slowly these things move when it comes to getting rid of a law. Because there's a cottage industry that grows up around enforcing that law. And there's a lot of money in enforcing.

Lobbyists when it comes to prison guard groups that want to keep their jobs. Yes. Privatized prisons. There's a lot of that. It's a lot of really... The issue with the flat tax. Why not just tax people a certain percentage? Just make a flat tax, no big deal.

There are just too many vested interests in, you know, how the tax code is so complicated. You've got to hire accountants. You've got to hire a lot of people to help you with that stuff. So do you think that's why people don't want a flat tax? It's one of the reasons the pressure is on. It's conspiracy. It's just people who have an incentive to keep the system the way it is.

Well, it's also the fact that we were talking about before where you don't have to account for all the money that you give them. That seems insane. Like, could you imagine a new system if they tried to start it all fresh today? We just want, you know, X amount of money and hey, don't worry about it. We're just going to run everything. But you should show me where my money went. Show everybody where their money went. And let's all compare notes.

Yeah. Find out how much money is being spent on shit that we don't want at all. Right now. You don't get a say. Well, right now, I don't know what I'm taxed, but I probably see half my money. Just think about it. You work for the government.

I was going to say, 50% of my day is spent working for someone else. For the government. You spend a lot of money. That money gets taxed. Everything you buy gets taxed. And on top of that, the money itself gets taxed. That's right. So how much, how much do they really need? How big is it? What are they doing with it?

Passing laws and enforcing those laws and taxing. It takes a lot to run a coercive body called the U.S. federal government. You need that. much can be trimmed? The libertarian believes that government should be treated like a necessary evil. You need it for some things. That's the motto. But you should treat it as though it's a necessary evil. Be aware that government

always does two things. It always grows, and its nature is coercive. I'm going to quote my father. This is not my idea, but he always says government is a business of intent, not results. There is an intention. There's an intention. I'm going to pass a health care law. It's going to be 2400 pages. Nobody will read it. No one who votes it in the law. They're not going to read it. It's just too complicated. But it'll be 2400 pages and actually more than that at the end of it. And it's intended to make healthcare more affordable for everybody.

Who wouldn't want that? I do. It's like the Patriot Act. Yeah. It's the intention. Now, let's see how it works in practice. That's what you have to be aware of. It's not very effective. And more importantly, we should all know that it's not the only answer. There are other ways to engineer what we call equality of opportunity. There are other ways. You just have to be a little more creative than to say, let's tax the rich, quote unquote. Well, by the way, the rich and the poor, it's always changing, isn't it? Isn't it always moving?

Some people start out in bad jobs. They work their way up, make a lot of money. got to just be careful with when you talk about this stuff it's it's a changing definition and we are stuck in orthodoxy of thinking well it's a break in the camps it was established a long fucking time ago when the world was different the world was way different when they started establishing income tax it It was just way different. And they could get away with dictator-type shit like that. But if there was no tax system in place and they just started taxing us, taking all this money, we'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck, man? Like if you were just paying state taxes or just paying income tax or just sales tax.

But there's a way to make taxes really fair. I think there should be a carbon tax. And what I mean by that is if you spend a lot of money on, if you put a lot of carbon in the air, then just pay your share. So in other words, if you have a really big, you want to buy a big truck with lots of power,

that's fine, but it's going to cost you a little more money. Whatever carbon you use, whatever, depending on how much, what kind of fossil fuel you use, it's going to put out a certain metric of carbon in the air. You could tax it that way.

You don't have to tax everybody. That makes sense. It also makes sense the idea that if you buy something, like say if you buy a new car, you're going to use the roads. You're benefiting from some other work that had to be done and had to be paid for. So for every percentage of every car, there should be something that goes to some highway fund. I think there is, by the way. That makes sense. Yeah.

That totally makes sense. Yeah. I think a lot of taxes make sense. What doesn't make sense is that we don't get an accounting of it and that it's totally, I mean, the budget and when you find out what the deficit is, you're like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? What does that even mean? Trillions.

You owe trillions to fucking who? Let me ask you this question. So when you're paying for Social Security, whether you know it or not, you're paying Social Security. So when you retire at 65, you'll be eligible to a check every month or week. Do you get that even if you're rich? Now, let me ask you this. You do? You do?

Good question. But more importantly. That's crazy. You're going to get it when it starts at 65, right? It's the people's bank. What happens when you die at 64? What happens to that money? What happens to it?

Exactly. Guess what? What? Your family doesn't get it. What? From what I understand, it goes into the ether. So someone steals it. Uh-huh.

Where does your Social Security go when you die? Back into the till? That's what I believe. And then what happens there? I don't know, but you've been paying into a till for a long time. Well, you have to look no further than civil forfeiture laws. Look at those fucking creepy things, where they just pull you over and you have $10,000 on you, and they decide we're going to take it because we think you're selling drugs.

Goddamn. Look at those, I'm on my way to buy a fucking car. They can take your money, and then you've got to fight for it in court. Well, you're going to have to prove it, big guy. and they'll take your fucking money and spend it on shit for the it's the Precinct it's the biggest thing you have to watch out for it's got busted They bought a margarita machine with the money that they stole from someone what a surprise What a surprise the growth of the state what you mean by growth estate is just more people or people People who are in a position of power over you and when they have something written down they think they're allowed to

enforce it because it's written down it's a law look it's written right there yeah like even if it doesn't make any sense and then you have to don't forget if you have a law and then you have people that enforce the law you must also have watchdogs you have to have an agency that actually watches those people just like the cops have internal affairs but who watches the watchers this is the watch so so Isn't that the watchmen? So the biggest question in political philosophy is what? The biggest question in political philosophy is who is governing the governor?

Yeah. I'm so fucking profound. Not really. Hey, Jamie, can you look up that Social Security statistic? Which statistic? Where does the money go? Thank you. We're going to have to wrap this bitch up. What time is it? It's 4.17. Oh, by the way, before I forget, and Big Brown will kick my ass.

If you should, go ahead. Our shirts are dropping Monday at 7 p.m. We've got these new awesome shirts that I wish I said I had a hand in designing, but Big Brown did, and they're some of our best shirts yet. 7 o'clock Monday, 7 p.m. They're dropping. Fight or the kid tees. Here's the reality.

If you should die before you begin to get your monthly check, your family will get a payment in cash amounting to 3.5 cents on every dollar of wages you have earned after 1936. If, for example, you should die at age 64 and you had earned $25 a week for 10 years before that time, your family would receive $455. That's not much. I think that's trying to say on the other hand.

It says on tile other hand. On the other hand, if you have not worked enough to get the regular monthly checks by the time you're 65, you will get a lump sum. Or if you should die, your family or estate would get a lump sum. So you only get one 3.5 cents on every dollar of wages that you earned they get 3.5 cents on every dollar of wages that you earned after 1936 so is that 3.5 percent 3.5 cents on every dollar that would be three point i think this is also from 1936 oh jesus could have also changed since then have also changed since then, but this is on the Social Security website. Yeah, we shouldn't read anything.

Those people thought the world was flat. Yeah, I think it might be different now. It might be different. There's not a lot of this country will give up. It is. Social Security, the idea of it, I mean, who knows how much it's changed. But the idea behind it is great. You know, the idea that you're going to throw some money in and that it's going to help old people out when they can't work anymore.

Sounds wonderful, but they live in abject poverty. God, it doesn't pay much. God, it pays so little. I know. And how else could you do it? I mean, is there enough money out there to pay everybody well? I get a SAG pension. I'll get some real money for my SAG pension.

Look at you. I'm an actor, man. Screen Actors Guild, bro. Sexy bitch. All that time in acting class paid off, kids. Brian motherfucking Callan with a Y, B-R-Y.

You got Irvine tonight? I gotta go. The traffic to Irvine is a motherfucker. Yes, you do. Had a great time there last night. Bunch of crazy drunks. Birthday parties and shit.

It's her birthday! Oh, come see me in San Francisco. Go see him, you fucks. Punchline, June 25th, 26th, 27th. Go, my friends. Or is it 26th, 27th, 28th? I don't know, man. Figure it out.

Something wacky along those lines. Punchline, San Francisco, June. Punchline, San Francisco, June. One of the best clubs in the country, by the way. Love it. Love it. Perfectly designed. Got a great vibe to it.

All right, you fucks. We'll see ya. Much love. It's not very professional it. Yep. All right, you fucks. We'll see ya. Much love. It's not very professional. Big kisses. Mwah, mwah, mwah. Mwah. Mwah.

Ah!