The Joe Rogan Experience - #665 - Neal Brennan

Episode Date: June 25, 2015

Neal Brennan is a stand-up comedian, actor, writer, director and producer. He is known for co-creating and co-writing "Chappelle's Show" with Dave Chappelle.

We're live. Neil Brennan in the middle of tweeting. What are you doing? Huh? I'm using my Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge right now. Oh, the Galaxy S6 Edge. That's a beautiful phone. Hi, thanks. Man, your voice is so commercial. Thanks very much. You were on stage the other night in the belly room, and we were in the green room. We're like, his voice is so commercial.

Like, it sounds like that goddamn commercial. I'll never be able to separate the two now. I know. I know. I shouldn't say that commercial. I'll just say that series of commercials. How many of those fucking things have you done? I, you know what? I don't now. I know. I shouldn't say that commercial. I'll just say that series of commercials. How many of those fucking things have you done? You know what? I don't know. Probably 30.

Jesus. I just do sessions and then they do whatever they want. At least you do other shit, man. If you were just doing that and then you became the Verizon guy, you know?

Ugh. Can you hear me now? Like that guy? That guy's fucked. Yeah. He's fucked. The Dell? You're getting a Dell?

Mm-hmm. Oh, that guy's fucked. Yeah. How about the girl? The insurance girl Flo Is that her name Yeah but at least

They keep making those She is fucked Once she's done though But she's probably Made a killing by this point Hopefully But is it worth it At what price

Flo But that guy From that fucking commercial That always gets in the accidents And falls down And gets hurt You know that handsome gentleman Yeah

They cast him in a lot of shit. He's in movies, too. Yeah. He's always in movies. He was in John Wick. John Wick was good, right? Fuck yeah, it was good. I've heard it's good.

I just haven't watched it. I mean, it's no brilliant, super creative, undeniable work of art, but it's fun as shit as far as a really wild, crazy entertainment. It's like crazy action sequences, but it's fun. It's shit as far as like a really wild crazy entertainment It's just it's like crazy action sequence right the craziest because the guy who directed it was a fight coordinator apparently Yeah, so he just had ideas for like that shit that ideas. He'd never given people I think oh And so he's like and so he just saved it he basically sandbagged He must have you sandbagged everyone he worked for and then and then unleashed it well doesn't that work with like writers like you're a writer doesn't that work with

writers sometimes like if you see like like especially writers that are writing for someone else like a monologue or something like that i know what you're getting at no i mean like look i don't there's certain jokes that like if i'm writing for like rock or something it's usually for like the BET Awards mm-hmm so it's not like I would have done that my I would have done that right topical joke about Usher in my life either that's the thing about monologues it's like right pretty disposable but yeah I know I know now and then people on SNL that sucked as writers and they became cast members and then all of a sudden they had a lot of good ideas.

They just stored them all like squirrels. Yeah, just like totally sandbag people. Yeah, because comics are like inherently kind of self-obsessed. And the idea of writing selflessly for someone else and making them much better. I was talking to somebody about this yesterday. I was talking to somebody about this yesterday. The fact that it's an accepted thing in comedy. It's just the accepted cast system.

That Rock is basically saying, like, hey, I'm funnier than you. And I'm hosting a show, so fucking give me jokes. Is that what he's saying? That's what the world's saying. I don't think it's that explicit. At the same time, there's something flattering about the fact that one of the best comics wants him to run. It's great. But there's also something about, like, you, come here, rub my back.

I got to get another MMA fighter. Come rub my back. You're not in this fight. I'm ranked higher than you, so come rub my back. He's just like, okay. You get paid and it's fun and all that stuff. See, I don't think of it that way at all. I think of it as, first of all, for him. Honestly, I don't either.

I know you don't. It's very intelligent for him because it's a smart way to do it. And a lot of people don't do it that way. They don't bring in other people to help them. And their work can kind of suffer. Yeah. You know? Like, he's pretty smart in that way that he's, like, looking at it objectively.

Like, there's other strong people around. If I bring them in, it'll make my already strong act even stronger. He doesn't do it for his act. He'll do it for TV shows. Monologues. And so it's not. And the other thing with Rock is it's generally you write stuff for him and send it to him so that he can be confident in his shit. So you're like, okay, my shit's better than this.

Which is fine. Well, you just need a giant mound of shit to chop away at, and then you find where the gems are. If you only have a few pretty decent ideas and you're trying to build them up, that's way less effective than an enormous catalog of ideas, and you get to try to pick the best ones. Yeah, that's what Rock always says. He's like, I have comedy writers around the way. Rappers have gold chains.

That's all he spends his money on. You know what I mean? If he's not going to buy a chain, he's like, I'll just have a writer write for a fucking movie with me or something. That's smart. Well, that's why he's Chris Rock. He's got his effective strategy for optimizing all of his shows and all of his sets and all you know he knows the fuck he's doing the thing that i was when you were saying about having other people come in and look i find that a lot of guys comedian wise when you get to the

theater level um it's basically all your audiences are henpecked. All of your audiences are predisposed to like you. Do you ever, and what I found is a lot of people, when they go to theaters, their act either plateaus or gets worse. Do you find, do you ever specifically go to rooms where they don't know you're coming so you can get a better read on shit?

Yeah, well, I do a lot of sets during the day, like regular sets at the improv or the store where they're there to see a wide variety of people. I do a lot of those. I think those are important. I think sets at the store are important, period, because it's a fucking jaded group down there. It's beautiful and magical, but it's jaded.

Yeah, it's the hardest room in the world. The belly room? Yeah. You might as well be doing stand-up for one person. 100%. People are right in front of you. The worst part of a belly room is there's people to the right that could just charge the stage. They're right there.

They're fucking right there. They could just sprint at you. Yeah. Well, it's also they have, you know, it's great, though. Like, all we're saying you know about the thing like the worst part of it but even the worst part about it is magic because that room is fucking magic man that belly room if you get something to work in that belly room what we're talking about this last night that there's the belly room and the ice house and the ice house is maybe the best club

ever it's got the rep and having done it It's like the easiest club easiest. Yeah. Yeah Well, it's just set up perfect. Yeah, the ceiling is low everyone's stuffed in there. It's very contagious laughter It's great acoustics all wood everywhere the laughter really reverberates and it's got Whatever the fuck 50 years of comedy burned into the walls. It's the oldest club in the country. I think it's older than 50 years old. Isn't it? I think it is. I think it's like 55 years old or something like that.

But it's essentially the oldest comedy club on earth. Because the oldest clubs for comedy were in America. It's the oldest one in America. So it's the oldest, longest running club ever. So it's a super rare place. But it's way easier than like the OR or especially the Belly Room. It's a different kind of... Louis was saying

in an interview like when he does when he's in LA he'll go he'll do like an alternative show then he'll do the improv or the Laugh Factory and then he'll do the store and it's like if it works he's like everything will work at Alternative Room.

Some stuff will work at the Improv. And one thing will work at the store. And the one thing that works at the store, he keeps. That's smart. Yeah. But you need all of those. Because when I was just doing the store only, I think my ax suffered a little bit.

Where does it go? Because that's the thing, it's hard to, what is the psychographic of the story? You think they... Because I still couldn't tell you. Having been working there six, seven years, I still couldn't tell you the psychology of that kind of part, of the average, of the audience's collective unconscious kind of thing.

Well, first of all, let me just say this. It's way better now. My second run at the store from 2007 on, I wasn't there. kind of thing well it first of all let me just say this it's way better now the second my second run at the store from 2007 on i wasn't there so i started up again december 14 it's way better it's just better it's a better club the young guys coming up are better there's a better vibe the audiences are better yeah when i was there in the in the early 2000s man i was a war zone it was all old it was all old timers right i mean it was all that world, but it was also the audience was just like Monsters there was a lot of months like rapey dumb heckly

Drunky no crowd control at all. They have real crowd control now. Yeah, they'll kick people out of their retarded Yeah, they didn't used to do that. They'll kick people out if they say eight things. Yeah, you have to say They didn't used to do that. They'll kick people out if they say eight things. Yeah. You have to say eight. Yeah, you have to say fucking eight. Any of these clubs are like, no, we're good. It's fucking get them out.

They're not going to, yeah. If they say more than one thing, get them out. They kicked a guy out at the Ice House last night. He started like early on this one bit. He kept yelling the same thing out while the bit was going on. I had to figure, let me ignore it. And we got to the end of the bit, and he's still yelling out the thing. I'm like, I heard you, you fuck. And he's you fuck and he's like well knows talking about that thing on your podcast

We're not having a conversation. It's a fucking show. Yeah, he keeps going I'm like oh fucking Christ and then when the bouncers come over to take him away. He goes are you serious? I was helping what do you think they just picked you yeah? They just randomly picked a guy decided to fuck with them That's what I said the other day to a woman who was yelling I go do you go to fucking katie perry concert sit at the at the bottom of the stage and just sing along with her shut the fuck up like i don't need your help they didn't book the show and go those four guys and then hopefully someone will come and heckle them

yeah but katie perry concert if you go and sit there and sing along with her it's probably flattering yeah but if you're trying to if you're if you're at the foot of the stage doing it it's probably the worst would be if you were saying don't sing that song yes precisely don't you have another song john mayer was telling me the name drop uh was saying that the biggest issue at his shows now girls running to the foot of the stage turning their back to him and taking a selfie oh no he said if he has security to like stop it it's like if i didn't stop it there'd be hundreds of people every show wow and it's hugely distracting because there's a thing darting at the thing you're looking at yeah well don't you find distracting when you look out into the crowd and you see like

10 phones up taking photos of you yeah or taking a selfie or taking a picture hey here i am with neil brennan show yeah killing it hashtag killing it hashtag winning hashtag tiger blood i mean there's so many so many people who want to take pictures now that hannibal burris did some weird thing at one of his shows where they have uh some new technology it's like a pouch and they give you this pouch you close it and when you're inside the club the pouch doesn't open yeah so you can't get to your phone yeah so if your phone rings if you feel like you must answer it you have to leave the venue and then the pouch will open i guess it works on some sort of uh like a frequency

like if you're past about like one of those electronic dog collars you know those things so it's something like that and but man the reaction to it was like fuck you i was reading all the reaction although so you actually okay i tweeted it yeah you know because i i saw the story i'm like hmm this is kind of interesting i wonder how people feel about this not that i would implement it i just i feel like the streisand effect is in effect you know the Streisand effect you know that what that is Barbara Streisand they found her house they put her house online like they you know like someone took a photo of it and like this is where Barbara Streisand's house is and so she you know was offended she made this big deal and she's like fuck you take my house

down this and that and because she put so much effort into fighting the fact that her house was down, way more people knew about her house. Yeah, 100%. And they all attacked and went after her. I think if you tell people, you can't bring your cell phone to my show, then they start wearing GoPros. It's all I'm going to think about. They put a GoPro on, or they'll film from a fucking,

one of those glasses that has the lens in the center of it. Oh, have you had that at the show? No. I had a guy, Google Glasses, at the Laugh Factory, and I go, dude, I can't fucking... I don't know if you're taping. So, you're just being a dick. Because, you know,

it's all I can think about now, is this fucking dude with the visor in my peripheral vision, and he might be... he could be fucking periscoping it now. Can you periscope from Google Glass? I don't know. I think Google Glass might even be dead. Do you periscope this show?

I do periscope things, but no, not the show. How come? You want to, where, I want to tweet about this, by the way. Where should people go? The show? Yeah. I already tweeted it. Okay.

Just go to mine and retweet it if you need to. You're a bit addicted to that phone. Now, hold on. Let me put that fucker down. Let me just get it over with. I'm think about it Yes, it's a taste Joseph. Just a taste Ron I got it. I got it again. You're you're a commercial actor

I know for a cell phone company and you're addicted to cell phone snake is interesting eating the tail Wrapping around you me you Are you tweeting? Why aren't you periscoping Neil? Alright, all set. You pushed it away. I love it. I love it. It's out of range.

Is it haunting you right now? Sometimes it haunts me. I put my phone over there. But what if there's something important happening right now in the world of van to four wheelwheel drive conversions. Oh, you know the thing with the cell phone thing? Someone was telling me when you go, again, I don't, this isn't my name,

when you go to Drake's house, when girls come over, he makes everyone turn their cell phones in. Really? Yeah. Smart. Yeah, because they're going to want to take a picture. Of course. Yeah. And he's just like, no, you can't do it.

So he makes them put it in a bucket or something? I don't know the specifics of picture. Of course. Yeah. And he's just like, no, you can't do it. So he makes them like put it in a bucket or something? I don't, yeah. I don't know the specifics of it, but. It's a good move. Yeah. She'll have a vault. Smart case. Put your phone in it.

Why is a table in the vault? That's where your phone goes. Yeah. What? Everybody puts their phone in the vault. You want to say? You want to say? Yeah.

No, no phones. No phones, baby. Yeah. But how are we gonna take selfie drake i got it baby i got it well you have to have if you're like one of those big time baller rapper characters and trying to keep everything on the dl or at least keep as much of your private life private as possible you got to take like some serious precautionary steps yeah i've heard of guys like having prenups or not pren, or not pre-nups, but non-disclosures. Oh, I mean, not everybody, but that's a common thing.

I've heard things where you can't even be in the bedroom with the person until you've signed an NDA. Wow. Yeah. Well, if you're worried about a fake rape accusation, that's the way to deal with it, I guess. 100%. But then the girl could say,

well, I was, like, thinking we were going to make out, and as soon as I signed it, he just started raping me. Yeah, and then it's like, well, but you said you wouldn't say it. But look here, honey, I'm in a tough spot, because you said, yeah, you you just i think they assume like once i sign this yeah not like all bets are off but i think they just assume i don't know man i would think that yeah i guess if you're michael jordan though yeah what do you do you know what i mean like what do you you have to well those guys when you're worth as much money as a guy like Michael Jordan, you become not just a human being, but an opportunity.

Yeah. You're a multinational corporation walking around and people are looking to do slip and fall accidents and charge you with it. Oh, absolutely. Completely. A hundred percent. Right? You've got to think that that is, he's a target in that sense. Whereas if you're worth that kind of money, people look at you and they go, look, if I

sue this motherfucker for a hundred million dollars. If things go badly, I get five. Yeah. I mean, you might give me half a million dollars just to shut the fuck up. Yep. And then boom, you're out the door with a half a million bucks and you know, nothing really even happened to you. And there's a bunch of people that do that over and over and over and over and over.

Michael Jordan probably gets sued every day. Really? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, between the corporation and the, just every, like, there's, yeah. Wow. Isn't that fucked? Yeah. I was reading about this one guy who was involved, I forget what the case, but it turned out

that he had sued, like sued dozens and dozens of people. He's a professional lawsuit litigator or lawsuit claimant, whatever the fuck it is. Some shit. And this guy just does that. He goes from one to the next, tries to figure out how to make some money, and then sues this guy, and then sues that guy for fraud, and this guy for fraud. That's a creepy, creepy abuse. There's a music company like that, that just will go after the slightest infraction. Really?

Yeah, it's like they're known in the music industry, they will sue you. It's like Commodore Music or some shit, and they'll just go after fucking the slightest. It kind of sounds like this, and it holds people up, and people just settle. Well, every now and then when one does get through, like that song that was like... Blurred Lines, yeah. Yeah, Marvin Gaye. Yeah. I mean, that is exactly...

Like, how the fuck did they not know that people are going to see that? I think there's so much copying in the music business that I think they were just like, eh, it's just kind of like, so-and-so sounds just like fucking that song. You know what I was listening to? I was listening to a podcast, I can't remember what it was the other day, but they were playing Bob Dylan songs that were stolen, that Dylan stole. What? Because he was doing all folk songs.

That Dylan stole. What? Because he was doing all folk songs. So it was all sort of public domain, but he was taking other people's melodies and then making them, changing the lyrics, and those became hits for him. Really? Yeah. It blew my mind because you go, Bob Dylan of all people. He's like the poet laureate of the fucking 20th century.

Yeah. Just as much as anybody else. George Harrison got sued for two different songs. Was it My Guitar? Was that one of them? They were both hits. One was like, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing. I think he did one that, I think Coke did it before him.

Really? And then he did something that sounded like and lost that. I believe. I could be wrong. I'd Like to Buy the world a Coke. Yeah. That was before I'd like to teach the world to sing. No, I...

No, that's the same song. Oh. I don't know what George Harrison's was, but I know that he lost two lawsuits. But the Thin Lines one, after all the different lawsuits and all the different people that have been sued for stealing lines in in songs or stealing melodies you would think that they wouldn't think that they could pull that off

yeah i i was surprised they won to be honest with you because yeah i was surprised i went because it's you can make a case it's different enough really yeah okay it's not the same let's play it back it's not the same uh tempo oh okay maybe i was wrong maybe i'm wrong maybe you need to listen to it i know they did another one they tried to go after him for another marvin gaye song oh yeah yeah yeah but that one's like much more shaky yeah than this one but pharrell's a creative guy so it's not like they're dealing with some hack and he wrote the whole thing. Is it possible that Pharrell's a little bit of a hack? Look, anything's possible, Jeff. Anything is possible.

I mean, yeah. Everyone's a little bit of a hack, I guess. Bob Dylan's a little bit of a hack. Precisely. None of us are safe. None of us are safe. If Bill Cosby's raping, what chance do the rest of us have? Is that the biggest shock that you've ever heard in all your years of...

No. No. You know why? Why? Because I met him 20 years ago and he was a fucking dick. And when his show started, the sitcom, I was like, I don't like that guy. Really? I promise you.

As a 10-year-old, I was like, I don't like that guy. Just a fucking egomaniac. I knew it from the... I mean, I'm rarely that right about something. Rarely do I not like someone and they turn out to be like a serial rapist. Usually he's just kind of a dick. But to become a, I was like, yeah, that totally makes sense. So before you ever made it, met him, you had this, you had, you'd made him.

Yes. You figured it out. Didn't like, never liked the sitcom. Thought I was crazy. Really? Yeah. When I went to college, NYU, there was an essay in some English lit book explaining what the formula for the show was, which was the kids have an original idea, an original desire, an original idea, and then bill cosby spends the episode chopping them down

and it was like yeah that's exactly what every episode was and i hated it just as a kid i'm like fuck this guy fuck him like let him have a fucking let let uh ruby or whatever the rudy have a fucking uh let her get a pet. Or whatever she wanted. So you met him. Yeah. And how long after you saw the show did you meet him? I met him in 1993 at the Arsenio Hall show. The original.

Really? Yeah. So did we know each other then? Yeah. It was after I, I mean, we hadn't seen each other, but it was like after I was a doorman. Right. We lived out here. And went to to and met the woman who worked at arsenio and and through dave and whatever so she was like and whenever there's somebody cool on she's like come and meet someone so met him and he was talking about slavery and he was like it was was me, him, and two black dudes. And he goes,

he, Bill Cosby goes, and then the Dutch man came and pointed at me. And I was like, I'm not Dutch. He was like, you know, close enough. But the fact that he would point at me and he was like, we're not, you know I'm not. What are the odds I'm fucking Dutch? And the fact that he just like pointed at me

and was, and he's a preteran, like wildly smug guy wildly smug yeah huh um like you know smart guy but not as he's one of those guys who'll talk and then say in other words four times it's like no you're making the same point four different like i got it the first time right um to impress themselves yeah in my experience yeah yeah smug like really smug people like god damn it like you what what what are we doing here we're wrestling are we having a conversation like what are we doing well they're not you're not there yeah you don't it doesn't matter who they're talking to you're just a warm you're just like a

if they're the predator you're just like fucking red like you're just the warm. You're just like a if they're the predator. You're just like fucking red mmm Like you're just a thing that they're talking at yeah, and they heat signature. Yeah, you're you're a walking heat They just fucking yeah Well that to me was the only thing that made sense about this It's like how could someone drug somebody like that and then I thought about it I was like I bet if you have lived decade after decade of people just kissing your ass and everyone around you is like some weird form of a yes man, like you have a whole industry behind you.

Like when he's on the show, like think about he has all the production assistants and the producers and the executive producers and the cameraman and the sound guys and the makeup people and everyone is just Yeah, mr. Cosby and that's your existence and you get on stage in front of that crowd and you're making this show and he's a man Killer comedian. Mm-hmm. He's a fucking killer. I don't like the guy and I'm saying he's he's a killer and do you think that You just developed this sort of like really distorted psychotic view of yourself in relationship to the rest of the world? I don't think so, because he's the first famous person that's, I think he had the pathology before he was famous.

The idea that, I've never heard of a famous person like, oh yeah, so my shit now is, I got to the drug bitches and rape them when they're asleep level. Like, that's not a level. That's not like a known. So I think it was a thing that he had. In some ways, I don't feel bad for him, but what do you do? You know any sexual desire you have, you're eventually going to do. You can quell it for four nights. So're saying like if you have that what do you do kind of creeper desire like there was a this american life about a guy who was a pedophile he was 19 he was a pedophile wanted to

had sexual feelings for like 10 and 12 year old boys hadn't acted on it. And it's like, what do I do? Jesus Christ. What do you do? That's like when people go so-and-so like prostitutes, whatever, it's like transvestite, whatever. It's like poor him.

Like in some ways it's like, you're gonna, your dick makes you do awful shit. So I believe he had that before, before he was famous or anything. I don't think it's. Yeah. I wonder if that part is that this was a more commonly accepted practice Because he had a bit that he used to do about Spanish. Yeah. Yeah that bit

Yeah I wonder if like people didn't think that it was that big of a deal or as big of a deal as they think of now like maybe people didn't think of Hitting someone with a mickey that's what they used to call they had a cute little name for it whereas now it's like drug rape yeah you know uh yeah to me that spanish fly argument was a that just sounded like one of those remember back in the day bits like remember speak and spell it's like one of those bits for each generation um but yeah i think it was way more like there was i was reading about one of the girls who lived at Hugh Hefner's house and

he offered her a quaalude and said back in the old days they used to call these leg openers or thigh openers and it's just like I believe it I believe that they used to call them thigh openers yeah it's like yeah women even 30 years ago

didn't have a lot of rights like sexual harassment I don't think the first sexual harassment suit was till, at the earliest, it was the late 70s. It's amazing how much things have changed and how quickly things have changed. We were reading yesterday on the podcast, was it yesterday, the day before yesterday? This speech by Lincoln when he was debating, like 1858 to be debating the rights of black people and even lincoln back then was saying that he didn't think that they should be allowed to serve on juries or vote or even intermarry with whites like yeah and it was like whoa like that's not that long ago man he thought that they were four fifths of a person it's like you're not you're

not you're not three fifths but you're not five fifths either and you know the argument is well you listen you have to put it into context like his time during his time this was revolutionary yeah that was progressive it's incredibly progressive yeah that's not that long ago man no it's not long at all that's not even 200 years ago what's cool is the period that we're living in now is you can get rights I mean this shit is like the gay rights movement in the trans right? I mean that I've never seen a movement like this Them get traction right like the marriage things amazing. Yeah, they're starting to get gay marriage all over the country Yeah, popping up pop. Yeah, it's it's a because it was stupid anyway but well first of all let's be honest marriage is pretty fucking stupid retard and this is coming from a married person yeah

the idea of like you're gonna sign a contract someone based on romance yeah like you know i get it i get that you'd want it you'd want some sort of security but if you're gay and you can't even make people you can't even get pregnant okay unless you guys figure out how to you have to get a surrogate or you're talking about You know, maybe friends that are also lesbians that want a kid and like I'll tell you we'll have two kids you give me One and I'll put the They're gonna be your kids But yeah, but that it wasn't about that It was about like you also couldn't visit your right lover in the hospital

You couldn't you couldn't get insurance rights all that stuff no look it's even if you don't want to get married it's it's a quality you know you want to be able to do you want don't a fucking law that says you can't a man can't marry another man that he loved yeah that's gross and stupid and the fact that that was common it's like really recently yeah and the fact that that was common until like really recently. Yeah, and the argument being like, because it ain't right. Well, that's not a fucking, it ain't right. It's not a legal argument. It's still being going on today.

These guys that are running for Republican office, it's still happening today. Yeah. You know, I mean, Rick Santorum was just talking about it recently. All these fucking dummies. What is that guy? Ted Cruz. Yeah. That fucking dummy doesn't believe in it. They're all just going to lose. It's like you fucking dummies. What is that guy? Ted Cruz yeah that fucking dummy doesn't believe in it. I was just gonna lose

Thank you fucking dumbasses There's enough people that that cling to that stupidity that are still on their side for now They're like the last fucking Confederate flag holdouts And is it is there or is there not something in the Bible about it because they I've heard Yeah, man, I'm not supposed to lie down with men. That's an abomination That's what abomination. That's what it says. But it says who?

You're dealing with multiple translations of a book that was bullshit. A fake book from 2,000 years ago, yeah. Well, not only this, more than 2,000 years ago. The oldest versions of the Bible that we know of today are the Dead Sea Scrolls. And the Dead Sea Scrolls is the only Bible, the only version of the Bible that's in Aramaic. And when they try to translate it, like, the stories are similar but different. There's all sorts of wacky shit in the Dead Sea Scrolls that, like, isn't in any of the other books, any of the other religious texts. And then you get to the oldest version of the Bible. It's all in ancient Hebrew.

Who the fuck speaks ancient Hebrew? You got to translate that to Latin, and they translated that to Greek, and a lot of shit gets missing in the process. They wrote ancient Hebrew you got to translate that to Latin and they translated that to Greek and a lot of shit gets missing in the in the process but they wrote ancient Hebrew to ancient Hebrew letters and numbers were interchangeable like words had numerical value to them like there was no number so the letter a was also the number one yeah so it could mean anything then what's a such a different context is a different there's a different meaning to everything. Like the word God and the word love. They have the same numerical value.

And numerical values are actually important when you're saying a sentence. You know how you say a sentence? There's tone. There's sarcasm. You can see things in it. That's why texting is hard, too. Exactly. Are you mad at me?

No, man. We're fucking around. Sometimes people don't to. Exactly. Are you mad at me? Like, no, man, we're fucking around. You know, sometimes people don't know. No, I'm mad at you. Yeah. Well, easy. But in ancient Hebrew, apparently, it's hard for us to put it into perspective and kind of understand the way they communicated. But when they wrote things down, there was inherent numerical quality to the sentences. They had like a sum.

It was like those sentence had numbers to it. And I don't think we're- There are 50 arguments against why the Bible is real. And there's one pro argument, which is, I like it. Yeah. Makes me feel good. That's the only argument you can give. Well, the idea that God would write one book a long time ago, tell one dude, and then go off to manage grasshopper populations and make sure hurricanes happen. Where have you been, man? How come you don't

tell us again? Don't you understand there's 30 different versions of this? Wouldn't you want to clear it up? Yeah, you're a dick at this point. Like, if you made a quote, like if there was a controversial issue that came up, you know, and you made a quote, and then a bunch of people took that quote and Butchered it and twisted it up 15 different ways of Sunday and you are aware of it Wouldn't you want to correct that when you want to come back and go?

How about what I didn't say you have to eat babies? Yeah that are the color of orange Yeah, that is not what I said like you guys are you guys fuck the whole thing up yeah but not this God guy yeah he's like I told you yeah I told you yeah I told you once I'm not and I'm not gonna tell you yeah what are all these people that are lying about what you said you gotta figure out yeah it's not my fault not my problem it's not my game bro yeah no yeah it's there's do you say you believe in a gun I don't not believe I die you know I think it would be super arrogant say I don't believe in God I know, I think it would be super arrogant to say, I don't believe in God. I've seen so many things on psychedelic drugs that don't make any sense at all.

And I'm like, why would I ever be so cocky as to think that I have the whole framework of the universe spelled out? It's purely speculation, even for scientists. Like, for scientists, and scientists are studying the very nature of matter itself, down to subatomic particles and quasars and supernovas and gas clouds and all these different things they're studying. At the end of the day, all they are really truly aware of is what they can perceive with their own senses in this existence. They don't know what happens when you die. They don't know if it's just a gateway to another new, completely different kind of experience. They don't know.

And the idea that it's not, that it's just death and it's black and it's darkness. Well, where did you come from in the first place? Why are you even here? Why are you even here as a conscious entity? Like, why is the idea of you, you thinking about you, that is a real thing?

Like, what purpose does it serve? And why does it exist? And is it possible that this whole thing is just a long process, sort of like a seed goes into the ground, water gets on that seed, this seed sprouts, pops through the ground, becomes a tree. The tree gives fruit. The fruit fruit drops fruit that fruit goes into the ground becomes new trees animals eat those trees so we're nutrients for the next generation we're a part of this weird crazy ecosystem and the ecosystem that is that has created a human being with all their creativity and self-awareness and all their ability to reflect and change and this crazy desire for innovation,

like to have the newest, greatest shit, the biggest, coolest thing, the fastest thing, the smartest thing, the most advanced thing. We're constantly searching for this newer, better product. It would seem to me that all of that is a part of some almost inescapable process of change, change and improvement and change. It seems like the whole thing is always changing, right? Like a cloud forms or rather a planet forms out of clouds and dust and all kinds of shit and eventually turns into a planet, eventually acquires water, eventually has an atmosphere and then life comes of it, and that life spreads out into other planets.

And all of it seems to be this constant state of either improvement or death. Improvement and death. Improvement and death. And to say that it's not building towards something, it's like, how the fuck do you know? How do you know? I mean, we literally might be building towards heaven. And if human beings, with all of our interest in trans

rights and gay rights and being progressive, I really contemplate this a lot. I think about this all day. I wonder if what we're doing by this movement that you see, it's like some of it's exaggerated and ridiculous. And some of the people that are involved in it are ultimately really shitty people that have attached themselves to an interesting idea but the trend seems to be inescapable and the trend of technological innovation as well as a trend of social awareness they might if you extrapolate you look at where they're going like a thousand years now a hundred thousand years now it might reach a point of really like a technologically created heaven i mean it is totally possible a technologically created heaven. I mean, it is totally possible. A technologically created heaven created by human beings?

It's created by whatever the fuck fuels a human being. I mean, we look at it as us, like human beings. We did it. But what is a human being? I mean, there's a bunch of different instincts and a bunch of different desires that are sort of sewn into the existence of being a person. And they're inexorable.

You know, you have them if you're living in the jungle you have them if you live in the city yeah I mean people just have this weird inescapable desire to do a bunch of core things well maybe those core things are very important and key ingredients towards creating technology and towards creating awareness and connection of ideas and information from entity to entity until the entire thing thinks is one. So the entire thing thinks is one and has massive technological capabilities and literally can escape the very dimension that it's currently trapped in. The dimension that it thinks is all that there is. This is all that there is because I can knock on it with my knuckles and I can put it on a scale and I can run a tape measure by it and tell you exactly how long it is. So that's

what is real, but that's not even what's real. That's what's real right now that you can experience. And we, we might be a part of one continual, never ending cycle that ultimately leads to God. Yeah. Yeah. Possible. That's the thing. I don't find it arrogant to say you don't, to say I don't believe. I don't think so either. I don't think, well, I think it's arrogant to say, you know, there's no God. Oh yeah. I don't think anyone knows there's no God. But say I don't believe in God.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't believe in God either, but I don't not believe in God. Right. Is there a God? I don't know. Yeah. I've met some crazy shit in psychedelic trips.

You know, I've, I've, I i've had a couple examples if you can well um things that knew everything that i've ever done everything that i've ever said and who i was exactly down to the core things what do you mean things things entities that i can see right through you now what are those entities are those entities in a trip or this is on here this is like you just see like you meet this guy and he knows everything. Well, you're not meeting a guy. You're meeting like a geometric pattern that is like you can't, especially DMT trips, you can't really isolate what something looks like. Because it only looks like that for the briefest of moments. Yeah.

And then it changes and looks like something else and it changes. And as you think about what it is, it alters. It changes and looks like something else and it changes. And as you think about what it is, it alters. And it's almost like some bizarre lesson in perception and your own definitions of the world around you. That you are in some way, by the way you interface with the world, changing the very nature of the world itself. And this is like some weird lesson that they try to teach you while you're involved in these trips. It seems like they're trying to explain to you there's it's not just you have a bad attitude or not just anybody has a bad attitude it's not

that just that you go it's that you get tied up in the momentum of those bad attitudes and the mistakes caused by those bad attitudes and the energy that's put out and the ripple effect of all that energy and how's it how it goes out into the rest of the population and how it comes back to you and you get trapped like a goddamn spider web and explains it to you. Literally, the way that you interface with the world changes the world, changes your world, changes the people that are in your world, but also changes how those people interact with other people in the world.

It's this very freakyaky fucking bizarre thing to have that be told to you by jesters like giant like jesters who have like multi-dimensional heads that's like spin around and giving you the finger and yeah but i would say that's just your own it's just your own consciousness it manifested as a person it may be or an entity or a wall or whatever it's totally possible we don't know what your own consciousness really means. Yeah. I mean, first of all, look, a human being is not an individual. Every human being is a host of an unnumberable, I mean, like literally an uncountable number of bugs.

Like the amount of parasites and the amount of different bacteria. They say there's more E. coli in a person's body than there have ever been people ever So think of that There's just what just just just to stop and think about and you need that if that's not in your body You're fucked some of you don't have skin bacteria The fact that we even know what e coli is like science is fucking like the last 70 80 years It's just like what yeah, what how did you even? Fucking, like, the last 70, 80 years, it's just like, what?

Yeah. How did you even, how the fuck did you get, what? I had Brian Cox on, the professor who's this brilliant guy who works at CERN. He works at the Large Hadron Collider, and he was trying to explain the, you know, searching for the hadron. And searching for the Higgs boson particle. Yeah. Halfway into the conversation, you're like, where? What?

How? How did you guys find this out? Who? What did you do? You know, we're just a couple hundred years away from a guy making fire with steel and flint. That's the only way they made fire. Clink, clink, clink. That's how they had to make fire. And you guys have figured this out?

Yeah. What the fuck, man? Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's really hard to believe. Yeah. Very the fuck, man? Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's really hard to believe. Yeah. Very, very, very hard to wrap your head around. What are they going at with the Higgs boson, by the way?

What are they trying to figure? What will that lead to? Well, they're trying to recreate, and they have, apparently, recreated the conditions milliseconds after the Big Bang and prove that there's this one particle that was theoretical up until recently and they've measured it they're pretty like 99.9 percent sure that they've isolated this particle and measured it but along the way they've also um they've also identified a bunch of other shit that they weren't sure if it was real or created some things that were just theoretical. One is this stuff called quark-gluon plasma that's insanely heavy.

Like, if you had a bowling ball full of this stuff, it would be heavier than the world. Yeah. And they've figured out how to isolate that. And it's also the same sort of thing. It's something that exists, like like milliseconds after the Big Bang it's like a part of the the very creation of the universe itself so there won't necessarily be like and if this is true then well then we all get the floating skateboard you see the floating skateboard yesterday I did yeah unbelievable but I pull up what's funny

is how long it took me to get used to it though I'm like oh good there's a floating skateboard now like and you just go back to your dumb life. You're not like, oh, fuck. We got to get it. Yeah. It'll be totally normal. I mean, a car is fucking insane. If you didn't have a car and somebody gave you a car.

Is this it? Lexus has created a real rideable hoverboard. Okay, so here's a guy with a skateboard. And he gets off. and he steps on. It says, there is no such thing as impossible. And it's smoking. I don't like the smoke. I think that's an after effect, and I think it's stupid.

I thought it's the best part of this ad. But it's never going to smoke. It's just a matter of figuring out how. So he's going to stand on this now. Lexus Hover. They're not showing you any more than that? No. That's the tease, you fucks. That's it?

You got to see this new RX, though. This thing. What is it? I'm just kidding. I'm a big fan of the Lexuses. Yeah. Japanese engineering. It's a little slightly different than the German engineering.

All of it's pretty fucking badass, though. Did you have the 400? God damn. badass, though. Did you have the 400? God damn. What's that? Did you have the 400X, that one? The Lexus? Yeah. No, I have a SUV, the LX 570.

Oh, I had the RX 400. Sorry. Yeah, they're fucking amazing cars. It's like driving a living room. Yeah. It's huge. Smooth as fuck. Oh, yeah.

It's so floaty. It just floats down the highway. Yeah. They make huge smooth as fuck. Yeah. Yeah, it's so floaty. Yeah floats down the highway. Yeah They make amazing automobiles if you think about the fact that the automobiles only been around for a little over a hundred years to and The amount of innovation that's happened with that Yeah, and that's when it's and that's even retarded by other industries like it should be further along Well, I think with this Tesla shit like this Elon Musk character getting involved that guy's making an SUV now That's gonna be all electric. He's making a two-door also He's making a bunch of shit

But the fact the bigger thing that he did was he he like he basically gave up all his patents Yeah, just let's make it good mm-hmm. Let's make this act an actual thing. Well, he's like a real live Tony Stark type character. Yeah. He's got that new thing for the wall, too. New battery system. For solar. For houses. Yeah.

Because you can't get, the thing that I didn't realize about solar is you can't get it at night. Unless you store it. Yeah, you have to store it. And you can't, it's really, really hard to store. Well, most of the time you have these solar rooms. Like there was a cabin that a friend of mine has in Colorado. And she's got these like solar batteries hooked up to the cabin. And, you know, it's like a room.

You got to go in the battery room, see what's going on. And the batteries were dead. It was fucking up. It was a real problem. The guy who was staying in the cabin was like what the fuck you know they have fucking lights you know this is stupid we're camping here yeah and just wasn't working correctly but with this eon musk thing elon musk's is very small it's not that big yeah it's like uh half about this high like half the table like a small coffee table yeah and you can put it on the wall can you put it on the

wall yeah, yeah. Really? That's what it's for, a power wall. Yeah, see how it's up there? It mounts to the wall. Oh, that's cool. It's a home battery that charges using electricity generated from solar panels or when utility rates are low and powers your home in the evening. It also fortifies your home against power outages by providing a backup electricity supply.

Pretty fucking sweet. I have a Volt. I was going to get a Tesla, and I got the Chevy Volt because someone pointed out, what if there's a power outage? I was like, yep, that'll do it. Yeah.

The Volt takes both, right? Is that the deal? No, the Volt, yeah, the Volt takes both. I can go to gas. When the revolution comes, I can... That's a smart move right now. You got your feet in both worlds. I got a little bit of both, Joe.

Do you, when you put it up with gas, does it charge the battery? No. It basically, you get 40 miles of electric. Just pure electric. Yeah. And then once you... That's pretty stupid. I'm going to be honest.

Why? What do you mean? 40 miles is not enough. The average person drives 36 miles a day. But what about those extra four miles that you go to get a sandwich? Gas, bro. The fuck is it? It dies. honest why what do you mean it's not enough the average person drives 36 miles a day but what about those extra four miles you go to get a sandwich bro just switch over to use a drip of gas no more gas no more gas it's out oh you're talking about when the revolution comes yes yes uh yeah i don't know what to tell you you better have a power wall you gotta have one of them

elon musk yeah but even then it's probably, although no, if you have the solar. Well, solar is only going to work as long as the fucking weather stays exactly the same. If you have solar and you live in a place like Columbus, Ohio in the winter, good luck, fuckface. You're not going to get much power unless they develop some sort of new shit. But if your skies are gray, like where I grew up in Boston, the winter is all gray. Everything's gray. You're not going to, but maybe those new ones actually can work. I feel like they're better.

They got to be getting better with like overcast shit. But it's not like being out in the desert. It's not like Palm Springs or some shit like that where you could just power the whole world from it. Yeah. Hopefully that'll happen in the next 15, 20 years. Well, it's amazing when you look at LA. I mean, the one resource that we have in abundance is sunshine. I mean, that is the power resource. And do virtually nothing with nothing with it very little yeah, because we don't have to and yeah

Because the DWP has a fucking monopoly. Are you worried about the water? Yes? Yeah me too. How could you not be yeah? Like I don't know what's gonna happen. Well. We're not gonna have much water Yeah, that's gonna happen. So you think that that's a new normal thing now? I think it's like essentially we're a giant desert city. We're actually admitting what we're like now? Mm-hmm. We're a desert city that had intermittent rainfall. But the reason why L.A. was created

in the first place as a Hollywood, as a movie production place, was because it was so consistent with its weather. That means you're living in a place that sucks. I mean, it's great for the sun, but it's not good for life. Well, yeah, we're not supposed to be here. It's not inhabitable unless you do a lot of shit. Unless you're like, we're going to reroute the Colorado River.

It's like, dude, maybe we just stay near the Colorado River. Well, what's interesting is with climate change, one of the things I'm keeping an eye on is what happens to Seattle's weather. Because I have a buddy who just moved up to Seattle. I have a theory about that. Yeah, and he fucking said this winter was amazing. He was like, dude, it barely rained.

It wasn't that cloudy. It was wonderful. And he was coming from Brooklyn. I think Seattle, Portland and Seattle become LA. And Vancouver becomes San Francisco. Dude, I like the way you think. I think that's in like 50 years. You're probably dead right.

You're probably dead right. I'm a big fan of Seattle as it is. I've thought about getting property in Vancouver a bunch. Wow, you've really committed to this. I've really done the research. Very, very expensive real estate in Vancouver. Yes, but a lot of beautiful Asian girls. Oh, shit, someone is thinking ahead. Oh, but a lot of beautiful Asian girls. Oh, shit.

Someone is thinking ahead. Someone did a recon. They're thinking ahead. Well, they're great Canadians. First of all, Canadian girls, they're just... They're reasonable. Yeah, they're more chill. They're fun.

They're more fun. Yeah. They're less... I find they've been less... Jaded? They're less... I don they've been less uh jaded they're less i don't know the hottest girls i have a better chance with hot asian uh hot canadian girls than i do with hot american girls hmm like the hottest girls i've dated generally were canadian really yeah you think they're less

worried about looks and more i think they're just worried about i think they're just more they actually like care if you're nice and cool and and decent Well their whole cultures are so different because they didn't come from this marauding take over the world Sort of mentality that the United States has you know the United States has this leader of the world go fuck yourself America learn free yeah, Toby Keith. You know they don't they don't have that up in Canada They don't have any of that I a lot of times I think like the military industrial complex is just because we have the bombs Free Toby Keith. They don't have that up in Canada. They don't have any of that. A lot of times I think the military industrial complex is just because we have the bombs.

It's like, well, we got the bombs. It's like, we got the avocados. We got to make some fucking guacamole, man. We fucking paid for the bombs. Let's fucking use these things. We'll talk about a cycle. That's the big cycle. It's like you can't not extract that money. The people that are making bombs and the people that are involved in the military They can't not do that if they stop wait, they're not gonna stop it's too much money. Yeah, they're not gonna stop asking

We just have to stop giving it to them What do you make of the thing of like well the thing of like lost jobs because that that's a non-argument to me lost Jobs from the military industrial complex like when we take that away We're, I got 8,000 people in my district and all that shit. It's like, well, fucking have them do something else. Same thing with coal. They say that about coal industry. They say it about. Horseshoes.

Yeah, precisely. It's like, well. What about the blacksmiths? Yeah. You're putting a lot of blacksmiths out of business with your fancy fucking wagon. Seeing the car. up this is your fancy fucking yeah fancy car well that's the other thing is when computers and robots take over there will be blue collar people breaking into factories to beat up the robots probably they really will they'll go in with sledgehammers and they'll start, which I believe is the definition of a Luddite,

are people that were so anti-robot that they beat them up. They beat machines up, right? That really was. It is so fucking funny. But they're not wrong. Yeah, they're not wrong. Yeah, that was like during the Industrial Age, right? Look at this.

Member of any bands of English workers who destroyed machinery, especially in cotton and woolen mills, as they believe was threatening their jobs in 1811 to 1816. That will be... Wow. That will be a... I believe that will be a huge thing. Yeah. It's like, but Stanhope's...

You ever hear Stanhope's bit about like, shouldn't where they're like, Oh, it's only a 5% unemployment. It's like, shouldn't we be going for a hundred percent unemployment? Like, don't we all just not want to work? Like, why are we going toward this fucking dumb work thing when we could just, why don't we all figure it out? So we, none of us have to work because people have associated working with making money and making money with staying alive. And the only way you can contribute is if you work. And the only way you can get

money to stay alive is if you work. And that's the one thing that everybody's worried about, right? Everybody's worried about not being able to pay their bills and starving to death and having their children go hungry and like, fuck, what if we live like the places that we know exist all over the world? This place is all over the world where children go hungry well there's also that protestant work ethic thing where it's like it's next to godliness it becomes one too god smiled

you know what i mean like when the man worked like that's a huge tenant well don't you think that that's one of those those tenants that those existed because they were trying to instill this idea of you have to stay alive. And so it's good to work hard. It's nobody wants to fucking farm and plow the fields, but if you don't do it, we're all going to fucking starve. Yeah.

So let's make it a religious ethic. Let's make it a super important thing that God really likes. And when you plow, God loves it. When you plant seeds, so the seed go do it. Yeah. God loves it.

Is it even possible to have, would that be possible to have a hundred percent unemployment? I mean like could society society's based on Bartering and trading and yeah, and there's also work that people like to do. What about that? What if you're a dentist and you enjoy doing dentistry you do you want a hundred percent unemployment? But like when I have all these clients, I enjoy fixing their teeth. What's the fucking problem? Robots, bro. I went to school for it. I'm fastened to my house.

They got robots, though. You didn't go to school. Yeah, you didn't go to school. You didn't have to do any of that. What about people that are like car enthusiasts that fix cars? What about people that make clothes, that are really into designing clothes? Yeah, I think you still do it. But the idea that you have to do it to survive,

I think it's just an interest. I don't disagree with them. Like that you'd want someone in this robots, someone would have to make the robots. Right, that's work, right? But yeah, at some point, someone's gonna have to work in the robots. Even if there's robots making robots,

someone has to service the super robot. You know what I mean? Like, so someone's gonna have to work. and then that guy is gonna want shit for the work he did yeah and then it just becomes a bartering society it doesn't seem like it's ever possible to go to a hundred percent but you might be able to get down to like 10% plus robots yeah if you get down to 10% working 90% that's an awesome sense by like blank blank plus robots yeah because you've got robots in the mix, everything changes. You don't need a whole lot of people to run the robot.

Because you get robots that fix robots. Yeah. And then the robots that fix the robots that fix the robots. Who watches the watchmen? Who watches the watchmen? That is correct. Who robots the robots? I mean, you would have to make sure that also that the people that did do all the work,

that you kept a steady supply of them and kept them educated because if you didn't and then we ran out of people that knew how to fix the robots and then we're just scrambling like we have to relearn how to fix robots I couldn't there was a book I think it was a white noise Dondalila but it talked about like I couldn't fucking fix a clock I couldn't't fix it. I couldn't fix the light I couldn't fix any of it if something like if I was the last guy like I couldn't fix shit Yeah, yeah at all. Well, you know, I had a whole bit about that about dumb people

Like not realizing they're dumb because they buy a lot of smart things that other people figured out And then one day the power goes out and like what do you do when the power goes out? Well, what I usually do is I sit around and wait yeah i figure someone's fixing that shit yeah and then that person's but that person's dead and no one would know what happened yeah and then the idea of the joke was if i left you alone alone in the woods with a hatchet how long before you could send me an email like how long would it take nobody knows how to make a fucking computer nobody knows how to build an engine who the fuck knows how to forge metal yeah pull it out of the ground and turn into a cast iron fire you know what i mean i couldn't i mean i it would literally if i started

a fire it would be based on shit i saw on survivor i swear to god i think i could start a fire if i had the right stuff but you have to make sure you have the right stuff. And it wouldn't be easy. It's not easy at all. Like, you'd have to have rope and a stick and another stick. Yeah, it's like that sort of thing that they do. Yeah, it becomes a bow. And then, like, it's...

I don't know when to, like, go over to the thing. To the kindling or whatever. There's a guy on um there's a show called life below zero and this fucking dude doesn't bring matches with him because he doesn't want to rely on matches because what if i he's like what if i run out of matches yeah what if i rely on lighter so this is his mouthpiece that he puts in and then he has a stick see if there's a video of it his name is glenn pull up glenn from life Below Zero Makes a Fire on YouTube. And he puts this bit, he has this piece in his mouth,

and the piece like clamps down on the top of the stick so that he could use the bow with two hands and really get a lot of friction. So he has the bow that's wrapped around, the string of the bow is wrapped around the stick, and he's going right to left, right to left, right to left, right to left. And as it spins, the friction starts. You see a little smoke. Yeah.

And he's pushing, like, dry tinder in there. And then he gets, like, a little ball of fire, and then he builds it up. How long, if you see it, do you know? It doesn't take much time. If we don't see it, it doesn't? No, it doesn't take much time. But you've got to carry the thing around in your mouth. Sure, it has to be online.

If it's not online, there should be fire. Here we go. Here he goes. So this guy, this is how he does it all the time. Give it some volume. See, I don't use the headlamp, because what happens if I run out of headlamps? It's true. Well, he's filming.

This guy's... living so gangster up there. So he holds this caribou antler piece in his mouth. Then he wraps a string around this fucker Watch how he does this This is pretty wild So he's pulling right, left, right, right, right, left, left And watch how quick it works

Wow Isn't that nuts? Yeah It's incredible And he has this fire starting thing And he reuses it over and over again Because the more he does it His teeth are ruined, we should point out

Yeah, his teeth are fucked Biting on caribou antlers, bitch, what you trying to do? And so then he reuses that The little thin plate of wood That he has underneath it Reuses that over and over again So it's sort of black and charred Which makes it a little bit

more flammable isn't that amazing that's awesome this is how this motherfucker makes a fire and you saw how quick it was yeah but joe can't even write a joke nope he's not perfect he's not he's not the ubermosh have him uh have him write a sketch nope see how it is look at you you're yeah well you think you could do this hey Hey, strongest man. Do a fucking strong seven, bro. How about you write for Chris Rock, strongest man? Yeah, you fucking piece of fucking jamook. Oh, great. You could pick up a big stone ball, you fucking dunce.

You know what else can do that? A tractor. Yeah. You're a human tractor, fuckface. Yeah. With no jokes. Yeah. Go do a tight seven.

Do a tight seven. Warm the crowd up. Yeah, warm the crowd up for at midnight. Do Brody's job. Enjoy it. He yelled out 818 till I die last night on stage, and the fucking place broke out into applause. That's so fucking funny. He was at the ice house last night he was hilarious he's very funny

but yelling out 818 till I die yeah and the place just went yeah yeah great they know they know what to expect from Brody Stevens I like that he's like carved out a little thing from some people have like Kimmel, those kind of guys, people who really appreciate Brody, have made a big deal about Zach Alphanackis, too. Big, big fan. Made a big deal about him. It's nice to see him getting... He still doesn't get the attention that he deserves.

I want to do something where we do it in conjunction with the Comedy Store and we film Brody's late night sets just film a gang of them and find the gem find the one gem and take that and turn it into a comedy special yeah because that's easy to do yeah because some of those shows that he does those late night shows they're just fucking magical man they're just magical shows like very inspired yeah just nuts off the fucking charts weird Yeah, you know the the narratives that he creates in the audience with the various people that he's fucking around with yeah all Completely ad-lib as opposed to those fake ad-lib guys mm-hmm You know those fake ad-lib guys like I'm I know they exist like haven't caught anyone

Oh, it's the you know Do you know what I mean? Are there some that we know? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. There's a lot. Not that much anymore because people are getting hip to it. Yeah.

But there used to be a bunch of guys who every night would pretend, look at this guy. He's thinking, hmm. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's thinking, hmm. Yeah. Well, he's like, well, and she's like, hmm. But they say the same thing every night and everybody is like, oh my God, so brilliant. Yeah.

But it's really an act. It's like an act that pretends to be an ad-libbed act. Yeah. I would agree with that. Those motherfuckers. Those motherfuckers. God damn it, Neil. How dare they make 61 grand a year?

How dare they? They're lucky. Yeah. So tell me about this fucking thing that you just did. Okay. All right. For anybody who doesn't know what ketamine is. I will tell them.

I will tell them the whole narrative. One of the times I was here, we talked about 5-HTP. Yeah. That was a long time ago. Yeah. That got me into it. And that's when we started creating new mood. Yeah.

So I'd taken 5-HTP. I basically had depression most of my adult life, probably my whole life. And when you define depression, like right now, I'm talking to you, we're hanging out, we're having fun, we're laughing. Everything seems cool. I'm pleased right now. You're great. Yeah.

When does it slip in? Here's the thing. It's not, it was never suicidal. It was just like kind of like the best I could feel. What I could feel was adrenaline and ego. Do you know what I mean? But it was never like joy, happiness, sort of, you know, like the more fuzzier stuff. You just couldn't feel it.

Just didn't happen. No joy, no happiness. Not really. Again, but not miserable. No joy, no happiness. Not really. Again, but not miserable. Okay, but let me ask you this. While this is going on, and great things would happen to you. Yeah. Like, you had some great things happening.

First of all, you're the co-creator of The Spell Show, which is, in my opinion, the greatest sketch comedy the world's ever known. Yeah. So that was a great thing. Yes. During that time, was there joy? There was ego. Ego. And there was adrenaline.

But there was never, it never felt like, my brain would like talk me out of it. It would talk me out of why I should be, why I should enjoy it, if that makes sense. It would talk me out of it just like, well, yeah, but you got a partner, and you got to do this, and blah, blah, blah. Okay, so your brain would tell you, well, you know, you're doing well, but let's be honest, you're doing it because of Dave Chappelle, and you know,

even though your writing is really great, would it be so great if Skippy from Family Ties was the star of the show, the show would still go on? I would say yes, I'm kidding. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, 100%. No disrespect to skippy yeah um so that would i that's when i knew i needed to go on antidepressants is i had sold

a script in like 1999 and i was um on the phone with an agent who was saying that two studios were bidding for it and i was driving up laba crying on the phone with the guy and tears were running down my face I'm like this isn't right wow yeah so you were crying because you still felt like shit yeah I just I felt like shit uh yeah I just felt like shit and part of the shit was like I can't even fucking enjoy this right you know what I mean like just like I wish I could feel this shit right so your tears were like tears of like God damn it. How come I can't even feel this Like why even do this shit? Right if you're not and that's what I would get out of his ego

when like Like adrenaline from being in a cool situation or doing something cool or whatever Even killing on stage. For example, when I know certain people get off stage, when, for instance, Chris Rock, to bring him up again, when he gets off stage, he is the nicest.

He's so fucking gacked off of the crowd. He's so high on adrenaline and just good feeling. And basically, he's so just like high on adrenaline and like just good feeling and basically like like like just good like fucking chemicals that are escaping me but like serotonin shit like that it's yeah dopamine serotonin he's just fucking flying I would never feel like that I feel like I just fucking murdered but I would never be like cuz I'm you'm there was no i wouldn't enjoy

it enjoy it i wouldn't enjoy it i wouldn't not enjoy it but it was flat it was flat it was like i might not i might as well not done that but it didn't me and dove one time talked about about getting off stage sometimes you just want to take the mic and throw it down it's like well fucking that didn't even help so so so I've taken antidepressants for since I was crying on the prayers in 1999 so so I took them and I took Zoloft at first work great really work well and I remember telling Chappelle I think I said I go I now know why people dance like that was how I knew like oh this works

because I understand the feeling that would make people want to dance or just like that sort of collective joie de vivre for lack of a better word so so did that took zola probably worked for 10 years 9 10 years you know with varying effect but after a while it just stopped working

now when it stopped working when i and or when i would try to go off it my i would get like a tension in my um uh fucking temple that literally couldn't like a knot in my temple like if it needed to get massaged It would just form and that's how I knew like I'm fucking depressed again because I it would just form And what what was when you said it wasn't working so what was the shift it started working and beginning it was great Yeah, and then there is a term for it and I always forget it but it's like that it just stopped it's like it efficacy long-term efficacy just tapers increases yeah hmm and that's specific to Zola no it's all of them all it can be all of them so then I switched to a pipe and then probably the last four or five years

I've switched a bunch because all the ones I tried Had some side effect What is the feeling though that you have on them? Is it like a feeling of you have like more energy? Do you have a little more energy? Yeah, sure you have more You have like more generosity of spirit if that makes sense like like you want, you're less of like a hater because you're not, you don't feel so depleted yourself that you can actually be like, oh, that's good, man. That's awesome. Well, it's hard for people to be happy for other people if they're not happy about themselves.

Yeah, 100%. It's very hard. No one's mean because they're in a good mood. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like other people don't deserve happiness. You can't get it. Yeah, why they why the fuck do you get it? Yeah? So that's like any troll. It's like you just see it's because you're unhappy minutes, right? Like I get it just don't take my success isn't your failure, right?

But that's how it feels because you can't do it You can't even get not can not only can you not do standard or whatever the thing they're mad at you for, they can't even feel what they imagine you feel from doing it. Right. Uh, so, so I tried a bunch the last four or five years. They would work,

but there always is some side effect. Nausea. Uh, one, I was like gaining weight and I wasn't eating and I was gaining weight. Um, yeah, it was so weird.

Um, uh, shit like that. And then the last one was, um, nausea and my dick was in a coma. Whoa. Like literally I took, uh, uh, fucking pro, uh, the boner drug and, um, yeah, didn't work. The boner drug. Viagra? Yeah. Didn't work. What?

Yeah. Didn't work. That's how fucking dead it was. Literally, it's like, put the fucking charges, put the fucking... Clear. Clear. Back. Nothing. Wow.

Yeah. So you had to get off that immediately. Yeah. Well, the... Yeah. What's more important, happiness or boners? Well, what was interesting is it was interesting for the few months that I had it to not have to worry about boners. Boners or pursuing girls or fucking texting and tindering and all that shit.

Just like, oh, I don't give a shit. Wow. Nothing. They seem like nice people. Now, what does it do? Does it somehow or another deplete your testosterone? I don't know why. The thing about antidepressants is they don't know why they work.

They know that they work. They have theories about why they work. I was on a class of antidepressants called SSRIs, which are short for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, which means it's basically a double negative reuptake inhibitor. It's basically when you, when the serotonin goes out, usually it gets collected quickly. But if you take this drug, it leaves the serotonin out in your brain longer i believe ser reuptake inhibitor yeah so it gets it inhibits reuptake so it's like hey stay out hey run around a little bit you know what i mean serotonin so if you take that's if you take the drug i think if i

if i didn't take the drug it would be uh i don't know guess it would, my brain would collect it super quick. I'm of the mind that I don't have enough serotonin to begin with. Like I just have, I feel like I have a serotonin deficiency naturally, but whatever. So, uh, so I'm,

so my dick was like in a coma and I was throwing up like pretty regularly, like three days a week. Wow. I just be driving and go like, oh, I'm going to throw up. And throw up and then be fine. So essentially with these drugs, you're trying to somehow or another re-engineer your neurochemical makeup. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you're trying to help it, basically. I don't think you can re-engineer it. I'll get to the re-engineering. But I don't, I think with the drugs, you just go like, it's basically a band-aid. It's basically just like, hey, reroute, hey, go over there. It's never like your fucking synapses are in different places, you know what I mean? But it's amazing that they're doing this and they're not exactly sure, as you say, how they work. Yeah.

Yeah, they don't. They really don't. What theories obviously they know that ssris re uh they selectively you know re-upped whatever fucking but they don't know exactly they don't even know if if it's in your brain or if it's in your stomach there's a new thing there was an an article in The Atlantic two days ago that's saying a lot of... First of all, all of those chemicals we talked about,

like serotonin and all that stuff, it's mostly in your stomach, which people don't know. So they're basically saying they're looking in people's feces and they think that the amount of chemicals or combinations you have in your stomach can affect mood Wow yeah well that's what the concept behind probiotics affecting a mood are 100% by the way I I was getting a bunch of

colds and I started taking probiotics and I haven't got one dude I harm I almost never get sick yeah I drink kombucha every day. Yeah. I have the GT's kombucha, the kind that you have to have an ID to show. Is that true? How come? It has more than one half of 1% of alcohol. Okay.

That's all it is. A tiny, tiny, tiny. Oh, right, right, right. You'd have to drink like 30 of them to catch the buzz you'd get from one beer. But it's worth it. Yeah. But it's a stupid law. But the probiotic effect of the fermentation of this live culture is what's causing the alcohol.

Yeah. But it's so good for you, man. Yeah. It's been like crazy. Changed my life. Yeah. Like traveling used to make me sick. I was always getting sick.

I don't get sick anymore. If I do get sick, it's very quick. It's in and out. It's a quick turnaround. Yeah. I would highly recommend it. Yeah. Because if you're traveling all the time's a quick turnaround. Yeah, I would highly recommend it. Yeah, because if you're traveling all the time as a comic on the road,

your immune system takes a fucking beat. Even in first class, Joe? It does. Yes, even in first class. I rode Coach the other day for the first time in a long time. People were touching me as I was sitting there. I was like, why are you touching me? Your leg is touching my leg. It's actually something comforting about that.

Everybody's just touching each other. You're sitting there there and you know that your arm's gonna touch the guy next to you and everybody accepts it we're all this is the world we're living in for the next couple hours i mean why is that bad as long as everyone's arm is touching everyone's mouth yeah i'm cool and as long as no one gets greedy with as long as everyone's like friendly with the space you know you don't you don't man spread and bop into the other guy's side and you know, but also hygiene. That's a big one. It's huge. Because if you're touching people and they stink, that's fucking brutal.

And I've had that happen to friends. How long was the flight? Uh, well it was two flights. What happened was I'm- To Vegas or something? No, it was to Canada. I fucked up and I, it's so stupid. I just don't want to move't remove um my flight takes off it took off at a certain time and uh I had it written the time I

was supposed to get up uh I had reversed so instead of uh thinking that uh I was supposed to get up at nine o'clock the flight was at nine o'clock yeah and I was like oh no up at 9 o'clock. That's what time the flight was. The flight was at 9 o'clock. And I was like, oh, no. I thought the flight was at 11. And I got there at 9. I got to think in the future, I think you should just go based on what time the flight leaves. I always do. Don't leave it up to the airline what time you should wake up.

Well, it was just such a boneheaded move. I just had too many different things going on. And I wrote it down somewhere. And just incorrectly wrote it down. Yeah. But anyway, point being, I had to many different things going on, and I wrote it down somewhere. And just incorrectly wrote it down. Yeah. But anyway, point being, I had to switch the flights, blah, blah, blah. And I was thinking, like, it's kind of like the only time where people ever touch people that they don't know, except jujitsu class, maybe.

You know? And then you're trying to kill each other. Yeah, mass transit. Yeah. Mass transit. Especially, like, you see Tokyo, where they push people in? Yeah. They literally have guys whose jobs are to shove people

Yeah, deeper and deeper into those boxes. Yeah They're made they make six figures doing that. I think people get depressed some people get depressed from a lack of human contact Absolutely, I'll get to that in a second So okay, so I was just like taking like the last one i was like i'm so sick of fucking taking because the thing with antidepressant pills is that you don't it's a complete guessing game what's going to work for you because the one i was taking that was making my dick fall asleep and make me throw up was supposed to have the lowest uh side effect profile of all of them yeah but I've had ones that had more they were supposed to do worship and they didn't

so so I was like I'm so sick of this so I just started looking up other shit to do and the the big one that I that kept coming up that I saw was ketamine so I was like that's interesting like I't like i didn't really i knew it was like a party drug but i didn't really know that much about it it's a very weird party drug yeah yeah i having done it i'm like why the fuck would you ever take that around people um yeah but so so there's a guy in santa monica dr stephen mandel and um that's a picture of me getting the ketamine. Are you allowed to talk about this guy? I don't know. I mean, I think I can.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I mean the guy's name. He mentioned, I don't mind if you talk about it. So you got an IV dose. He was an anesthesiologist who basically came up with a regimen that's for depression. And by the way, he's not the only one. Like, there's probably hundreds in America right now.

That are doing this? Yeah. With ketamine? Yeah. Whoa. Especially if you go on Reddit or any of the boards, any kind of antidepressant boards or whatever, there's people that did it.

And there's another one called TMS, which is... The other one that's making a comeback is just the cuckoo's nest one. Electrical shock therapy? Because they were doing it wrong, apparently. And there's a way to do it now. Like, you just... The amperage was too high. So they were just fucking frying people.

They were cooking your brain too much but if you cook it a little bit yeah exactly you don't want to grill it yeah precisely so if you little something steam it yeah you can punch an egg but if you throw an egg on your fucking webber so that's that's made a comeback and then there's another one called transcranial magnetic stimulation where they just basically shoot magnets at your brain. But that's five days a week for five weeks. Ketamine. The treatment is you do six sessions in two weeks. So it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday of two weeks.

And I did it last week and the week before. So first time I go in, and again, I don't know if I could have researched it all I knew that what then you when you go in you have basically when you do ketamine you have like a out-of-body sort of experience meaning like a dissociative experience so which which seems pretty vague. Um, so I, so he hooks the IV up and, um, and within 15 seconds, I was like gone. Like at first you just get sleepy.

And then I was in the trip that you were talking about thing to fucking geometric shapes, all kinds. The thing about tripping that I forgot is how good the transitions are. It'll go from geometric shapes to a bear's face to just crazy shit

for 45 minutes. Wow. And then you come out of it and you slowly come out of it and you wear noise-canceling headphones. I'm just in a doctor's office, like, in a weird, not even weird, like, those, like, 1970s doctor's offices that you see in L.A., like, just sort of a shitty elevator

and whatever. So when I came out of the first one, I was like, it was rough, because A, I didn't know I was going to trip like that, and B, I had been, I didn't get a ton of sleep the night before and So I was and I'd flown that day. I was just kind of groggy and and I felt really Shitty and it took me like I was like after I was done I probably laid in the bed there for like an hour So I was like I can't do shit right now like I can't I could barely stand

an hour. So I was like, I can't do shit right now. Like I can't, I could barely stand. So the first day was rough. And, uh, and that night I still felt shitty that night. I was like, I don't think I'm going to do it again. Like that was too rough. And, um, then I woke up Tuesday morning and felt fucking great. I was like, Oh, I'm I gotta do it again. I was like uh oh I gotta do it again I felt clear here's the one of the ways my depression manifested itself was like I felt

my head felt heavy and I felt like I had like I had like a lead weight on my forehead you know that's the way I felt when I did ecstasy. The day after. The day after. Yeah.

It felt amazing when I did it. Okay, and that's what it is. Yeah. Because it depletes. Yeah. All the serotonin's gone. Yeah. And that's basically what people with depression a lot of times are like just every day.

Yeah. It's basically just like a headwind. It's not, it's just like fucking, could this be a little bit easier like I'm not asking for a miracle I'm just like I'm just sick of having to walk into the wind all the time right right a little bit uphill into the wind it's like fuck alright so I did

it again that Wednesday and every time I did it the other thing that they one of the ways that they kind of gauge it is you do like a inventory, a questionnaire, like a 25 question questionnaire. Like, how do you feel about your future? And like, it's like not good, fine, neutral, whatever. Each one has a point value.

They add it up. If it's like in the teens or high teens or 20s, that means you're depressed. If you're in the under, you know, the low teens, you're good, whatever. And I think mine went from low 20s to like single digits in the two weeks. Wow. And the only downside, and I can't get it like perfectly clear read because i'm quitting the ssri one of the the one that the dick killer i'm quitting that at the same time so i'm just like that's i'm sort of having withdrawal from that and the way it was manifesting itself for

a couple weeks was like i just felt like shit i just felt like i had the flu but not coughing or sneezing just like run down when you wean yourself off of an SSRI, is there a protocol for doing that? Just taper. That's all you can do. And when they say taper, like you have like X, do you get smaller pills? Yeah, you just clip them in half. And that's what I did. And you take less of them?

Yeah, you just do. You go, I was on 20, went to 10, went to 5, now I'm at zero. And how long have you been at zero? I don't know. I think three or, I think four weeks. So how do you feel right now? I feel better every day. From the SSRI effect, it has gotten better every day.

I feel like, I don't feel nauseous. Not nauseous, just like I don't feel like shit. The only way it's kind of manifesting itself now is like one of my eyes is a little like feels like I have something in it. That's the gay eye. Got it. Gay eye for a straight guy. That's what it is.

Yeah. So one of my eyes feels a little gay. So as he was, there's no other word for it. So I just put eye drops in. That's it yeah and it might be unrelated the eyeball thing i think it's related because i've looked it up oh yeah yeah there's like there's you know ssri withdrawal if you just google that and they have eyeball issues

yeah it's like you'll be a little cloudy huh some people it usually lasts like three weeks some people i've seen guys on reddit were like, I fucking had this for six months. Jesus. Which would make me crazy, I think. Yeah, how could you not be? Yeah. So let me ask you this. So you take it the first time, and how many days afterwards did you feel great?

You said two? One. One day. Yeah. The next day, you feel like shit after it's over? Felt like shit after it was over. Felt like like basically went home and just laid in my on my couch did you feel like physically worn out like what i just felt like

uh i guess like i had a high fever you know that feeling just like i can't do shit was it possible that it was the stress of the experience because you didn't expect it? Yeah, possibly. Yeah, because you ever had anesthesia? You know when you come out of it? That's like my least favorite feeling in the world. That's basically what it was. That feeling of like, oh, fuck.

I could throw up. I'm not gonna. So it could be a bunch of issues. Did you have the same feeling every time you did it? Yeah, basically. Okay. I would need to take a nap. Every time?

Yeah. Because basically when I did it on the Wednesday, I took a nap and did a spot that night. Wow. Yeah. I ran into you that night. We talked about it. It was at the improv maybe. I ran into you at the store and you told me that you did the last treatment that day. Yeah. I ran into you that night. We talked about it. It was at the improv, maybe.

Well, I ran into you at the store, and you told me that you did the last treatment that day. Yeah, but that was Friday. That was like less than a week ago. Yeah. Okay, it was a different time. And that Friday, because I had done it enough, what I found, what was interesting was every session, it would take me longer to go into the trip meaning like my body was getting used to it was building up like a tolerance for it um for the ketamine how long is like it's all ivy uh yeah it's ivy based the first time like i said 20 seconds and the last

time was probably four or five minutes um yeah and he was upping the dose, I think. Wow. So. Well, I ran into you after the first time you did it, and I ran into you, I think, Friday was after the last time you did it. Yeah. And unfortunately, we didn't have a chance to talk much until now,

so I couldn't, like, get an objective sense of how you seemed. Yeah. What was interesting was, like, the Friday of the first week i had it might have been friday or saturday but there was a thing that was happening to me on stage where i was like for like months i felt shitty you know when you feel shitty you can't kill that hard like there's basically a cap i had a cap on my sets for months and it was making me fucking crazy because i was like it's not me like it's my it's a this fucking a it's depression b it's the ssris and now it's

the ssris and the uh ketamine but i on the friday or saturday i fucking murdered in the main room which you know is like hard to do uh but it was because i was clear do you know what i mean like i was finally like oh i know the audience wouldn't feel like a sludginess to me there was like a real like you know more of just like a laser focus yeah on point yeah yeah man i've had nights where i'm tired that is the worst goddamn feeling when you're exhausted and you're trying to come up with energy to go on stage when you're physically your body's physically exhausted yeah so you were kind of battling that a lot and so and then you're taking it fucking affects writing too like like being depressed like i've written i've i think i've got basically to an hour but it took me like

two years like it wasn't like right i'm not like you where i can take a couple months and just come with a newer burr any these guys like First of all, I think it would take me longer than six months anyway, but it was and part of it I wanted to go like I'm my fucking brain isn't working Because I just run out of options in terms of SSRIs and shit So also that's a primary focus of your mind. It's like how do how the fuck do I get happy? Yeah, you're trying a million different medications, all these different ideas. And it's just frustrating.

Okay, so you do it the first time, and then the next day, you feel great. You're still on the SSRIs. Or you're weaned off. No, I was done. I mean, I was just done. Did you have to be weaned off of them? Because this is something that's a big issue with ayahuasca.

No, I said that like I'm from Dijon. ayahuasca. No, no, I said that like I'm from the jungle. Yeah. Ayahuasca. Oh, you can't do SSRIs if you take ayahuasca. You'll die, right? Well, it's very dangerous. SSRIs are dangerous with ayahuasca, with dimethyltryptamine. Mushrooms are very closely related to dimethyltryptamine.

There's people that take mushrooms, and they also are taking SSRIs, and I've heard that that's kind of funky, too. I'm trying to think if I've ever done that. Ari was on SSRIs, I think, and he was taking mushrooms. I think I've done that. Maybe he was on a different kind of medication. I think I've taken SSRIs. Oh, no, you know what?

I know for a fact, Ari did ask his doctor and told him, and apparently the type of medication he was on was fine with mushrooms. I think I did it once or twice on ssrs it's fine um what's really dangerous apparently is if you take a prescription mao inhibitor and then you take mushrooms or you take ayahuasca then it's super fucking dangerous i think mao maio inhibitors have a big profile which like don't take it with other shit. Yeah. That has more. That's on more warnings than most things.

Yeah. I believe I've read this. I'm like 98% sure I read this. Most people. Oh, I did read it. It was this guy, Carl Hart, who'd be a great guest. Yeah, I've had him. Oh, all right.

There you go. I love that guy. Fucking awesome. Said that most people that die of heroin overdoses are drunk like the the most of the overdoses are because they combine it with alcohol that makes sense yeah he was on o'reilly the other day and i i texted him i was like how the fuck do you do that yeah like you talk for five seconds and he's interrupting you and then they cut away from him for a breaking news report on the lady getting arraigned in upstate New York for helping the prisoners escape. Yeah.

And there's a panel. There's him and a bunch of other people. They're all talking about drugs. And he barely got a chance to talk. It's also like, what good does that shit do? That's what I always wonder. Like, when they go, hey, you want to come on a panel on CNN? I'm like, no.

I'm not going to change any minds. And it's also. It's a shitty way of communicating. Yeah, exactly. This is the way to communicate. Yes. This is the best way. In Woodland Hills.

In an office park. Yeah, in a shitty office park. This is the way to do it. Red under lighting. So you go and you do it the first time. The day afterwards, you start to feel better. Felt clear in the way. first time the day afterwards you start to feel better in the way uh i would compare the trip in and of itself the actual trip like lsd lsd but ls without the speed but with a lot of visuals

though all visuals all visuals yeah crazy the way mckenna described ketamine i've never done ketamine the way um you know mckenna and john lilly was a huge pioneer of ketamine. I've never done ketamine. The way, you know, McKenna and John Lilly was a huge pioneer of ketamine. John Lilly's the guy who invented the isolation tank. One of his things that he used to like to do was shoot ketamine intramuscularly. Intramuscularly. Like, shove it right into his fucking muscle. I think that's what I did.

I mean, I guess... Well, you did it IV. But the intramuscular is a slower release and apparently lasts for hours. And he would bang, whack himself and climb into the tank and be gone for a fucking day. Zoom around. That's crazy. And McKenna described it like he, this is a very interesting way of describing psychedelics. He believed, whether or not I was correct, but he believed that every psychedelic you take, you're experiencing not just your trip, but the trip of all the people who have ever tripped on that psychedelic.

So when you're taking mushrooms, you're not just experiencing the mushroom. You're experiencing the mushroom as it has interfaced with countless human beings all throughout humanity. All the different people have taken the mushrooms and had these beautiful experiences. You experienced those experiences as well. Yeah. But I don't disagree. I don't agree with that because I can't, but it seems like, yeah, it's possible. But what he said about ketamine was he felt like ketamine was a new drug.

And he felt like when he took ketamine that he was in a giant office building that was empty. It's like a vacant office building. He's like he would walk around and there was no one there. He would like look around. There was cubicles. There was empty. It's like a vacant office building. He's like, he would walk around and there was no one there. He would like look around. There was cubicles, there was lights, there was these big open spaces, but there was no one in the room. Yeah, that's interesting.

He said it was just devoid of the kind of experience that you have when you take other sorts of psychedelics. Did you experience? I was in, the things that I remember, one of the things I remember was like getting, I would start on me and then just pull out wide, like a,

for lack of a better example, like Google maps or in my head, it was more like, um, Grand Theft Auto. Um, and like where I am, uh,

there's the, the, the, I'm in Santa Monica and I just go, there's California, there's whatever. Like, um,

I was aware of every sort of your whole experience people that I went to high school with people that I know now like just everyone was sort of there if not like actually but sort of you know I think about them um and then it was like I was in the matrix is too simplistic but but did you see the new Land of the Lost, perhaps, with Will Ferrell? No. There's just a weird black void scene. It's like basically a black void with a Tron floor. This was like, there was no Tron floor.

It was more of a disco floor, actually, of white. This was, I didn't have the disco floor, but I did have the sort of black void, and then shit would form out of that. And it was sort of lit, the, like, it was like, the fill lighting, as they call it, would be green. So, like, the way your wall's red, it would be green. So, and it was, there you go he just made a green oh man i'm back there oh god um so the trip was pleasant it was never like i've never freaked out i never did you experience entities does anything that you were communicating with you there was all just all just shapes? Yeah, it was all shapes. So it was just you?

Shapes and feelings. Like, shapes and, like, I would think of stuff. And when you say you would think of stuff, was the stuff that you would think of related to depression? Was it related to, like, what you were trying to fix? Yeah, because of, like, what I'm trying to do. Right. You know what I mean?

So, like, what kind of stuff was going through your head while you were having this experience? Just, about like love and like the time i went into the hulk music on the queue for any time someone starts the time i did the the float labs thing right made me get a dog because i went to float labs and i floated and i was in the middle i was like i gotta you gotta love something man and I got a dog um the uh and that dog has been the bane of my existence I'm gonna uh that dog has

bit more people um fuck you for sending me there kills old ladies um so uh so so yeah I thought about a lot I was just thinking about it but it wasn't that much it was more yeah I thought about like what. I was just thinking about it, but it wasn't that much. It wasn't that much love? It was more, yeah. I thought about, like, what if there's an earthquake also? Like, fucking, if you're tripping on, like, ketamine, you're gone.

My eyes are closed. I couldn't open them. Like, I wouldn't have physically been able to open them. I was like, what if there's a fucking earthquake? But then I'm just feeling, eh, there's not going to be a fucking earthquake. Wow. What a weird thing to focus on. So you try to sabotage us. It would just come into my, it would just come

into my, like... Don't you get that when you're on weed, though, sometimes? I don't do weed. Oh, that's right. Weed will let you consider all the possible fuck-ups that could go wrong. Even the earthquake, I was like, eh, get demolished. So you die. Everybody's going to die. It felt like more of like a

it was like it was gonna be like the san andreas and and uh the rock would not save well what they what they think about that when it comes to psychedelic experiences like it's your this the thing about psychedelic experiences that's universal is the ego dissolving properties of it and they think that a lot of this what that feeling is when you're trying to, you know, to try to think about all the things that go wrong. It's almost your ego not wanting to let go. It's like, Hey, you need me, man. Cause what if the fucking earthquake happens? Or what if you, you know, what if something's happening right now? What if someone's breaking into your car? And the paranoia and the fear, the survival instinct is a part of the ego. felt like i was backstage in my brain that makes sense

huh like i was seeing the machinations i was feel it but i'd also like see the see like how it got there so you can see the wiring yeah but that's what i always feel like when i do when i did lsd and my when i uh when i did the ketamine. I was like, oh, it feels like my brain. I feel like I'm getting a tour of my brain. So what's supposed to be the mechanism for repair or for fixing? This is another thing that they don't really know. They don't know. But I can tell you that it worked.

Because I felt better every day it has to do with the SSRIs for sure but I also feel like the thing that's been I've been noticing is and this is such a weird symptom of improvement I've been laughing at my

own jokes more which sounds like when it's fucking so you're an egomaniac no i'm just enjoying the idea as like an independent thing right like i'm having fun like me and this person are playing for lack of a better word like we're just fucking around like like so that to me is a symptom of feeling better. And I also physically feel better. Wow. Okay. So the first one makes you feel better.

Is there an increase every time you do it, two through six? He didn't tell me. I'm betting there was. You mean an increase in dosage? Yeah. I meant an increase in how you feel. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Because I'd feel it would take me longer to get in the trip. And then the hangover would be way less. Like, I think last Friday, I didn't take a nap. Wow. In fact, I know I didn't take a nap because I got it at four and I had like an 8.15. So I did. I was tripping from 4.15 to 5. And then figured out how to go

and had a good set wow so is this something that you're going to have to repeat or is it supposed to be like you whack it out at this point the how long it lasts is you know varies

he said it could be a few weeks could be a few months he did tell me, he said these are the things that will make it last longer diet, exercise, obvious sleep, he said to sleep with the sun it's like, wake up early if you can

and another doctor told me that more serotonin is produced early in the day than late so if you wake up early to wake, early to rise. Yeah. That's basically like that's better for your mental health. Keeps a man healthy. That is correct. Early to bed.

So yeah, it's like going to bed, trying to wake up at 7 or 8. But how are you going to go to bed early? You're a comic. I haven't yet. That's not going to work. Right? You're just going to be tired all the time. No, but I can go to bed. There are weeks, there are days during the week I can go to bed at 9 or 1. I do feel like there's ideas that are available to you when you wake up early in the morning that aren't available to you at any other time of the day.

Like sometimes I force myself to get up early in the morning just to sit down and write because I think that sometimes I force myself awake. Like if I'll set my alarm for six and then I'll get up and I'll sit in front of that computer at 6.30, I'm all cloudy-eyed. But then somewhere on like 6.20 or 6.45, 6.50, 20 minutes later, I start getting ideas. Yeah. And then they start coming out.

And then there's like this is like initial wake-up and then the coffee hits in and there's initial wake-up ideas that I think are almost different because they're really connected to the sleep world You were just sleeping just a small amount of time ago. Yeah And you can't you don't have defenses at that point. Mm-hmm. You can't be like stupid. You're just like yeah Well, that's one of the reasons why people like right like writing really silly shit late at night like the news radio writers They didn't even start working until like 2 o'clock in the morning. I think that was mostly Paul. Yeah radio writers they didn't even start working until like two o'clock in the morning i think that was mostly paul yeah it was paul it was paul being in his 20s and it was also a message it was madness

yeah like paul knew what he was doing and they would write the silliest shit yeah because they were barely awake they were just like laughing and yeah i'd always heard that that show they just play video games that's mostly what the writers did they got me addicted they got they had they had a local area network set up with computers playing Quake on them. And you would go there and we'd all play real time against each other and talk shit and laugh. That's awesome. Oh my God, it was so addictive. I like being up. That's the thing. I don't like getting up, but I like being up.

Right. Getting up is the hard part. Forcing yourself to get up out of the bed. Oh, you know what? I have a thing on my phone that's really funny. It's either for you or not. It called it's an app called i can't wake up right okay it's an alarm clock it goes off it like plays music or whatever chime or vibrates whatever in order to turn it off you have to basically enter a code so it's like a 25 or 30 character code caps numbers lowercase takes fucking 55 seconds To do and by the time you're done you're like fucking I'm up Oh my god, if you're doing that next to a girl if you're dating a girl, she doesn't have to get up

Yeah, she'd be so mad at you Fucking asshole. You just get out of the bedroom. Yeah Fucking asshole You just get out of the bedroom Yeah Yeah It's really funny And it works actually I have no problem getting up

I don't like it But I do it Yeah But I grew up getting up every day Because I had a paper route For the time I was like 17 Until I was like 21

Yeah Maybe even 22 I kept it till So I'm used to just like just get up get up you know just get up yeah the other so diet exercise get them with the sun and um other thing that was interesting was their talk therapy fun the other thing with therapy i got so sick of talking i was like i need a physical cure like Like, I know what the problems are.

It's not making me feel better. It's a fucking physical issue. I promise you. And that's pretty much been established, right? I mean, it's pretty much been established that a large majority of people or a large number of people that have depression, there's a

depleted amount of serotonin. Yeah. Well, yes. Is that established? Yes. As far as I'm concerned, it's established. But they don't really know. And there are certain therapies, CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, that works really well

for people. Now, what do you do when you do that? I don't know because I haven't done it. Now, when you're getting... Do you get measured? Like, do they measure your serotonin? Do they take your blood? I don't think they have...

They don't have a measurement for it. Whoa. Yeah. Look it up, but I don't... I've Googled it, because I've been like, how the fuck do I prove this? But they do have serotonin syndrome, right?

Where you're taking 5-HTP and an SSRI, and it gives you too much serotonin. It can really fuck with you. Yeah. So how do they know it's giving you too much serotonin? I think by the symptoms. Hmm. It seems weird that they don't have a way of measuring what your levels are. Because can they measure your levels of dopamine?

I don't think so. Whoa. The brain is so fucking complicated, man. Oh, they know, like, nothing. They know nothing about it, because it's impossible to, there's no, you know what I mean? It's like, you can look at a heart, most of it, that's physical. It's just like, blood, the thing, the liquid goes in, then it comes out. It's mechanical, whereas the brain is not mechanical.

Well, one of the things that you brought up was Carl Hart, Dr. Carl Hart, and there's a lot of really brilliant people today that are trying to get people to understand addictions and what are the root cause of addiction. And Gabor Mate had some interesting stuff to say about that, too, in the movie The Culture High. And one of the main issues they're talking about is that a lot of these people that are addicted, that deal withictions or people that are depressed and people that have like these moments in their life they're trying to get over the hump they're dealing with childhood abuse or they're dealing with childhood stress yeah really tell me I'm PTSD yeah a lot of therapists a minute well you had you didn't have the easiest childhood no I think it's partially like I my dad never hit me, but he used to beat the shit out of my brothers, and I was like three.

So I think that must have been like traumatic. How could it not be? Yeah. How could it not be? Yeah. You know? I mean, I can't imagine that. I can't even imagine that.

Yeah, it was shitty. It's just a shitty way to, and then like there's so many kids, you don't get like the enough nutrients basically. Yeah. So, and they say like a lot of that, a lot of serotonin levels are based on that early shit. It only makes sense. Yeah. It only makes sense that your brain is programmed based on the experiences that it has to deal

with. And that if you're dealing with like,, that's one of the things they say about extremely violent neighborhoods, kids that grow up in violent, like Michael Irvin was telling me this, that kids that grow up in violent families and around violence, they literally from the womb,

the mother as she's dealing with high cortisol levels, stress levels and adrenaline, the mother is programming the child from the time it's inside of her body to be more reactive, to explode, to freak out. Yeah. Cortisol at an early age, I feel like killed serotonin. You know what I mean?

I could be making that up, but it sounds right. So would you categorize what you're doing by having these experiences with ketamine like a rewiring? Yes. Do you think you're rewiringiring so that's what you were saying earlier you're going to think I'm crazy but there have been times in the last week where I can feel my brain

physically not moving but like adjusting like maybe a certain amount of energy was inside that area. Well, that's the thing about the brain. It fucking knows what it is.

Like they know about like dendrites and fucking and nerve endings, all that shit. But they don't know about, they don't really know. They just know chemicals and the synapses. But they don't know exactly how they interact even. So I felt, my brain has felt different physically physically and my sleep has been all over the place one night i couldn't i woke up at six and couldn't get back to sleep like and then another day i slept till like 11 in the morning you know 11 and 12 like late so it's been all over the place which lets you know like there's an adjustment going on do

you get the sun in your bedroom yeah you don't sleep with curtains closed no so when the sun comes in you wake up no that's how you're supposed to do it right isn't that what you're supposed to do yes that's that goes to that waking up with the sunshine um so and the other thing the other symptom that i feel like it's about is i've been writing more Mm-hmm, like fucking thank God. Yeah, thank you for not just writing more but being more productive with your writing Yeah, being more productive with it and also. You don't strike me as a guy who would be lazy like not right? No, but but Like you know I'm not I'm not like if I don't have an idea. I just don't write right I'm not one of these people, like, no, no, no, no, no. There's something funny about the sky.

Like, let's figure it out. Like, that's kind of never how it's been for me. I draw, I write entries. I write, like, blog entries or essays, and then I extract funny ideas from them. That's what I've been doing. I feel like if I sit down and just try to write joke, joke, jokes, it's not my style. It's not the most effective way like i create a lot of like uh pulp there's a lot of nonsense that i don't need fucking tell me about it but i have accepted that as a part of the process that i'm just like mining yeah like you

don't just tap into a mountain and go oh look it's all gold like no it's gold mixed in with rock and bullshit and you gotta find it and again i think some people are just better at distilling their shit or their, their shit comes to them more distilled. But don't you think though that for me at least, almost all of it sucks until I bring it to the stage. Like almost, I have to find out what it really is. I have to like push it out in front of people. I got this new bit that I worked out last night for the first time ever at the ice house.

And as I was working it out, I was out last night for the first time ever I died ice house and as I was working I was like, oh finally I know cuz I didn't know like before I was like is there something in this yeah I don't know if there's anything in this that's the thing about companies. You're never sure yeah You never fucking sure so I don't I literally go on with this and go I don't know I if you asked me to bet I'd lose money a lot of the time. Right. And then sometimes it's like a tagline. That's the funniest line. That gets the huge laugh. You're like, oh, all right. Or a throwaway.

I still said it. Yeah. I'm still taking the credit. I'll take the credit. I didn't think it was where I thought. Do you think that that attitude, that thinking about the credit, like what we were talking about before, that was the boost that you got was you would get ego and you would get adrenaline, but you wouldn't get the joy.

Yeah. Do you think that it's detrimental to concentrate on the credit? Do you think that it's better to achieve like a zen state? Yeah, well, that's the thing of like, the thing I've said on here before, which when me and Dave did the show, we wouldn't tell people who wrote what.

Because it was like, it's none of your business. Because you're just going to use it to judge the person who didn't write it, who didn't come up with it. So, yeah's none of your business. Because you're just going to use it to judge the person who didn't write it. Who didn't come up with it. So yeah, I don't... It's a frivolous... Whenever I'm with a group of people, if I'm writing in a room, my feeling is, generally how it works with me is, I don't pitch anything for a while up front.

And I'm like, dude, you gotta fucking pitch them. You gotta fucking pitch them. And then by the end i've either caught up or beat most of the people like because i i just want to contribute you know what i mean like just i just want to contribute to the right so but the idea i don't get too i want to i want to hold my own but i'm not like i'm gonna fucking vanquish these motherfuckers because it's it's comedy it's like it's silly and like how you come up with it is so communal that it's well in that sense but i'm talking about in the sense of actually writing things for you for you on stage not in the writer's room you're writing for a sitcom or something like that we're talking about

like you coming up with a tagline out of nowhere and go well i'll take it i still want credit for that oh yeah i mean i'm kind of i'm joking about it in that I guess it's like the ego. It's just like, I didn't know that was the thing. It's like the guy who invents, it happens a lot with pharmaceuticals, actually. They think it's for high blood pressure and then it ends up being for depression. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, oh, cool. But I don't, the credit thing I don't get too hung up with.

I'm like glad that I came up with it. But I'm like you where there's such, you know, chaff. Like just fucking nothing. And then what's nice is when you have a thought or like a long-held idea about something. And then eight years later you come up with a joke for it? Yeah. And for me also sometimes i find puzzle pieces and they they're like little islands and all of a sudden clink

they click together and they have a bridge and then they become awesome like i know where i'm like oh my god you puzzle fucker buddy come on over now you're exciting now you're a part of a little little continent yeah it's not an island anymore yeah because after a while if you have enough bits in your act if you have like five or six ideas or eight or whatever then you can just they you'll just end up filling up those eight more than like i gotta come with two more it's just like the eight get longer with those little puzzle pieces now after doing these six treatments do you anticipate this being like a quarterly thing that you do to just keep your brain charged in this state? He told me that there's a guy who does it once a month whether he feels like he needs it or not. By the way I should say it's 600 bucks a treatment. Jesus. Yeah. That's a lot of money. Yeah. So you are...

But by the way they were like it's 3,500 bucks I was like I'll give you... name your fucking price if it's gonna work. Right. I was like, I'll give you, name your fucking price. If it's going to work, I'll give you half my life savings. I don't give a fuck. Right. Like, none of this shit means anything if I'm not happy. Not only that, as an artist, as someone who's more productive if you're happy, it's worth a shitload of money. Yeah.

That's 100% true. And also more productive when your brain's working properly. How long has this gentleman been doing this? Didn't ask But he has one guy who's an anesthesiologist he that by trade he was an anesthesiologist and And in the by the way, it's also it's approved by the FDA, right? That's what's so crazy the first thing I said when I came out of the trip

I go I can't believe the FDA approved that. How did they know? Because it works. It's like he said it's like 70 to 80% of people it works with. Depression. Yeah, with persistent depression. Like persistent kind of mildly untreatable depression. What if people aren't depressed?

What about a guy like me? I don't know. I don't know. Hmm. I don't know. It could take a little. Monkeying with your fucking neurology there, Rogan. I mean, it might. I don't think it'll. It fucks me up.

I don't think it'll fuck you up any more than DMT or ayahuasca or anything. I was going to do ayahuasca. Yeah. And then the more I read about it, I was like, eh. Just like. What's my. Really throwing up for hours and fighting diarrhea. And then it also seemed like nebulous in terms of, is that what happens?

I've only done DMT. I've done the pure extract, which is what ayahuasca is, is a slow-release version of DMT. Okay. So what happens is with DMT, they get it down to this free base form, which is essentially they, they process it down to the raw crystals and you smoke that and you get pure DMT or the way Rick Strassman did it. Rick Strassman finally rescheduled his health is doing much better and he'll be here August. I think he's going to be here in August. Um, uh, but he wrote a great book called DMT, The Spirit

Molecule. Yeah, they made a documentary, right? Yeah, and I hosted the documentary. Oh, great. It's in my queue, Joe. Yeah, we'll go watch it. You'll see me. I'm beautiful. But it was connected to Rick's work, but it was a lot of other experts, Dennis McKenna and a lot of different people

interviewed talking about the drug. But what he found, he had, this is all FDA approved as well. And they did these trials out of the University of New Mexico where they gave people intravenous DMT, which is just like they're doing the intravenous ketamine with you, you know, boom, right into this bloodstream and a long-term effect. Just like your experience. Yeah. It's like a 45-minute trip as opposed to DMT,

which is like 50, you smoke it rather, which is like 15 minutes. So the ayahuasca, what they've done is they figured out a way to have DMT and MAO inhibitor, a natural MAO inhibitor, because monoamine oxidase, which is MAO, dissolves DMT in the gut. So if you try to take it orally, your body just breaks it down. And one of the reasons for that is that DMT exists in so many different plants that it was just orally active on its own. You would get high every time you eat a salad. You'd be tripping your balls off. You know, it would be edible, but it's just you would be freaking out.

Your neurotransmitter levels would go through the fucking roof every time you eat vegetables. So they figured out how to do it with you know they did it in a hospital setting just like sort of what you're doing a doctor's office setting sort of like what you're doing and um they had you know really really really profound results with it to the point where um it was really really life-changing shit for the people that were a part of it yeah because it's just like a fucking, it's like having a, it's like, you know when you see boxers working with like a weighted vest? It's like, take the vest off. So that's what you feel like after you got out of there, you took the vest off.

Yeah. And you took the vest off more and more every time you did it. Yeah. And so the sixth one, after the sixth one's over, describe what it's like the next day after the initial, smaller hangover now. Smaller hangover and just general and i was taking that like i said the the scores would go down the on the uh it's called the beck uh questionnaire or some shit um and uh and i just feel like i like my dog more i mean it's just the dumbest shit, but it's like, I write more, I laugh my own jokes more,

I like my dog more. The other thing that he said, which I was going to mention, of the things that will make it last longer, diet, health, exercise, talk therapy, and a close personal connection. That's what he said.

Close personal connection. Yeah, with someone. With someone. Yeah. With a close personal connection. That's what he said. Close personal connection. Yeah. With someone. With someone. Yeah. With a love. Yeah. Are you capable of love?

I'm on the streets. I'm out on the streets looking. Looking for love in all the wrong places? I'm looking for a candidate. Trying to make this ketamine last, girl. Now, what are you doing for exercise? Uh,

kettlebells and treadmill, which I always do. Um, so, but it's, you know, like one of those, just a YouTube kettlebell exercise regimen.

Yeah. That's hard to motivate yourself. You should go take a class. I don't, the thing is I don't have a hard time. Like when I got my treadmill, my accountant's like, trust me, you're never hard to motivate yourself. You should go take a class I don't the thing is I don't have a hard time like when I got my treadmill my accountants like Trust me. You're never gonna use it my clients get in there use I was like I'm what a Irish Catholic like I'm fucking gonna use it trust me like I will be like no you fucking You motherfucker you will

Why receive shit like that questioning your will say listen he's just because he's a accountant talking shit like that? Questioning your will. Say, listen, bitch. Sign checks, you fuck. He did that when I invested in that LaughStub website that does the tickets for all the comedy clubs. I invested in it four, five, six years ago. And he's like, I quadrupled my money. And I was like, by by the way my dad's a fucking lawyer like i'm not a rube my dad worked was a tax lawyer like i'm not like wait wait and he went i invested in a restaurant recently he's like yeah you can sit at the corner table i'm like i'm not doing it to sit at the fucking corner table i'm doing it because i think it's a good

investment you need a new accountant he sounds like a a negative Nancy He is what a dick. Yeah, so if I had an accountant like that, I'd be like listen fuck face He's trying to I mean he's trying to be cautious. It's what I do. Yeah, oh Kim Cautious people are great, but not that cautious where you're getting cautious about a fucking treadmill you micromanager Yeah, just let him buy the treadmill. Yeah, let the kid have some fun. Let the kid have a fucking exercise equipment. Yeah, I use it all the time. Um, and, uh, kettlebells same thing. So do you feel like a

noticeable change when you have a good workout? Do you feel like elevated? No, I have yet to get that. I've yet to get the No, at this point I just I, because I just wasn't because I felt shitty and didn't exercise for like three weeks. I, now I'm like fucking doing kettlebells And I'm like fuck

Afterward just because I'm out of shape basically So I'm in that like Fucking Jesus So the three weeks where you were weaning yourself off of the drugs The last couple months I just haven't had time To Do that shit And I haven't been home and shit so

But now that I'm back on it I'm hoping I've never had a runner's high You know what I mean to do that shit. And I haven't been home and shit. So, um, so, but now that I'm back on it, I'm hoping I've never had a runner's high. You know what I mean? Really? Yeah. You got to run it. I'm like,

I never had a runner's high. The fuck are you talking about? That requires serotonin. I think you got to go deep to get a runner's high too. You got to be exhausted. Yeah. I think it's, yeah,

I think it's, uh, I can't remember what the, what the mechanism is, why you get it. It's like one of those things where your body thinks you're dying or something. My buddy Cameron Haynes just ran a fucking 24-hour run, a mile track, 24 hours. He did 106 laps.

He ran 106 miles in 24 hours. His legs swelled up to twice their size. His feet are fucking bleeding. He's had videos on his Instagram of him, them popping these blood volcanoes in his feet, popping and squirts up in the air. What did he do it for? To be an asshole. To let everybody know that he can run 106 miles.

I like that his body hulked out afterward. Like, I guess we're a hulk now. Fuck it, let's hulk out. He pushes himself. He's really into pushing himself. You know, like testing his mental toughness, testing his mental boundaries. Yeah. So he ran 106 miles.

Fucking psycho. He's crazy. He's a professional bow hunter. He's a crazy guy as it is. Say no more. He regularly throws a 135 pound rock in his backpack and climbs up hills to simulate like what it's like to pack out meat when you're hunting because you got it these mountain hunters mountain hunting is incredibly difficult to do physically did you do it when you did i've done it a couple times

but the climbing up was the most shocking like how tired you get yeah like i'm in shape i work out all the time like i'll I'll climb that mountain, bitch. But you guys are like, holy fuck. Yeah. If you're not doing that specifically, like constantly climbing, you get fucking exhausted. So he gets in because and then you miss out on opportunities. And he's a professional. That's what he does.

So he does it. He gets in shape literally for that. And then along the way, he got addicted to getting in shape, shape you know and then you get addicted to results and addicted to performance cocaine the other thing I was gonna mention was the sense taking the ketamine my recall has gotten better memory yeah cuz that's the the thing that is sort of unsung about depression it fucks your memory up like you can't recall words well it makes sense because memories increased by upping your neurotransmitters yeah when you take nootropics that's one of the things we

found when we did the double-blind placebo studies on at the Boston Center for memory with alpha brain was that one of the big markers that it increased in is memory memory and even reaction time executive function all those things yeah you're attaching to like or the the opposite of it you're attaching to depressing this like slowness this drag this weight yeah the other thing last night last two nights when i've been at clubs i remember everyone's name normally i'm like i you i don't I think I know your name I couldn't tell you what it is Like I could see their name next to their face Wow

Which again, just a weird thing that you don't think about And then when it happens, you're like, fucking, okay, good I thought my memory was fucked up If I could remember how I used to think of you When I first met you Like way back at the Boston Comedy Club You were never like jovial. You never were like real happy.

Ever. You were always cool. We always were friendly to each other. Yeah, if I can throw the ball around a little. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? No, I know. When I was a kid, I was like that. There was a picture of me as a baby. One or one and a half.

And I'm like literally staring at the picture, like staring at the camera. And Chappelle goes, and you've had that look on your face ever since. Yeah, you were always kind of stoic. Yeah, and it's not. And the thing is, it's like the other thing, it sucks going through life going like,

I know there's something better. I know there's something. I don't want to be like this. Like I know that's something better. I know there's something, I don't want to be like this. Like, I know that there is a, I know if I wasn't like this, life would be more enjoyable. And like, and I know it's not,

you know, it's the thing with depression is a lot of times people think it's just like, oh, well, you don't fucking, it's like when Henry Rollins said, fucking, I can't believe Robin Williams killed himself.

It's like, well then you don't fucking understand depression, dickhead. It's not like getting lung cancer because you didn't even breathe right he's got that whole suck it up attitude down pat yeah but I don't I can't subscribe to that I've known way too many people that have had like real fucking problems with it and I think it can be adjusted with the behavior modifications the way you treat people the way you interface with people with exercise with diet a little bit there's a lot going on but some people man it's not enough some people just are still fucking depressed yeah

that's i've gone to therapy fucking 15 years ari said mushrooms helped him a lot yeah there's a lot of people say like mushrooms, mushrooms, they're trying to, they're, mushrooms is in this whole ketamine, iboga, egoba, iboga, Ibogaine. Ibogaine, yeah, but the extract is iboga. Ayahuasca, all that shit.

There's a thing in South America, or Costa Rica, it's like an egoba, an ibogaine retreat. And you see, there are videos on this retreat thing. You see a guy transform in a week. And it's not fake.

You can see it in his carriage, in his eyes. It's amazing. So, yeah, I think some people, it's just like, you gotta fucking do a hard restart. Yeah, hard restarts are great for phones and people. Yeah, which brings me to the Samsung Galaxy s6 You know when you do the math, it's simple Six is greater than six. What is that one of the ads that is? Hmm?

You maybe might be beach do punch up on that I can't pick what they pick They should listen to you I think they're popular though They do listen to me sometimes They're very popular But I think the ads are popular So I can't argue with them

All those ads on YouTube In the comments It's just Apple, Samsung Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you It's like dude you gotta. Apple said, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. It's like, dude, this can't be that important. Well, people get hung up on brands so hard. I've had people that I've talked to that say, I'll never buy a Ford.

I'm a fucking Chevy guy. You're like, what is wrong with you? What's wrong with you? I don't buy Apple, dude. I'm a Windows guy. Jesus Christ. What if all of a sudden Apple comes up with the greatest thing ever? Are you going to stick to your guns?

Because they trick you into, because it's not about the product. It hasn't been about the product and advertising for 20, 30 years. It's about the cultural meaning of the thing. Uh-huh. Especially big brands. That's why, like, sneaker companies in Chile, once they go south, once're for losers good forget it forget it good luck once you see one homeless guy wearing them And I'm talking I'm talking to you and one Once she's what I would see and one like once you see or like and one had its day in the Sun

Yeah, but it's really two years. Yeah, but and then it was just homeless guys. I don't know. It's interesting. I'm sure it's interesting. They fucked up their brand. Yeah. What other brands would you say are inexorable or unfixable? Pony in the 80s. Pony's back though. They tried. What about Puma? Puma was a little

shaky for a while. Well there are some that like Now it's kind of classic. Some are European companies like I think Nike owns Converse shaky for a while. Well, there are some that like... Now it's kind of classic. Some are European companies. Like, I think Nike owns Converse, and I think Adidas owns Puma. Converse All-Stars never stopped. They never went away. They never did.

They hung in there, just by the fact that it's not expensive and badass fucking sneaker. They just, they're like stylish enough and neutral enough. Yeah. They don't call a lot of attention. They don't go on and neutral enough. Yeah, they don't call out of a tent They don't go on and on about it. You know what I mean chucks all day So then there's like a bunch of other companies that are like new balance. I'm not sure

Yeah, well new balance some of them are just for runners like some are just like Saccone oh, yeah, new balance. What about a D Brooks? Apparently this is always gonna have a certain like shell are always going to have a certain amount of class. Yeah. My Adidas. And Nike's got the... Pro athlete angle. Yeah, but they've got, like, the fucking, like, the super, the one that's been, like, cool that black dudes wear.

Yeah. The clean ones. My white. The clean ones. I can't think of the name of it do you request in your rider a new pair of sneakers with every show that you do i do not like eddie griffin yes those are the ones it's that shoe yeah sneakers it's the white air force ones thank you very much it's the white air force ones they've like that's a perennial for them a perennial yeah hmm and the the other one is the the fucking air

it's got the bibs the first one of the bubble remember when it used to be Timberlands air max that is correct never when it used to be Timberlands yeah Timberlands with no laces yeah yeah remember I was there Joe what happened there wasn't jovial then didn't work no in certain area I didn't that they never went out work. No, in certain areas. They never went out. They never went out. In certain areas, they never went out. Is it like Doc Martens with depressed white people? That is correct.

Doc Martens, there was a big part of the depressed punk rocker rebellion. They want to be from Liverpool. Not talking to your parents. Fuck my parents. I'm doing heroin. Look at my shoes. I'll be on St. Mark's if anyone needs me Doc Martens are a weird one like if you wore Doc Martens you basically like giving up on the rest of society

And they're not good-looking they started like skinheads made them popular Like they were like big in the skinhead community, and then they kind of took off from there. It's like are you sure? Well, they represented like a certain aesthetic like a person who's just not following the norm. You like dark things, clouds. Yes. Yeah. Safety pins in your clothes. It's like the Johnny Rotten fucking Malcolm McLaren shit.

Yeah. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, Kevin. All these fucking weirdos, man. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I've got to say so far so good with the ketamine like it's well that's great to hear that you found something that's an actual solution yeah that at least in this one run yeah have have people have um have people had an issue similar to way you were saying that these SSRIs, they would work for a little while, but then they stopped working.

Have people had an issue like this with ketamine? Or is it too early to tell? I think they've, my feeling personally is like, at a certain point I'll do something else. But I don't think it's a matter of quitting. I don't know what would happen. I don't think it would be like, the SSRI thing is a chemical's leaving your body.

That's the withdrawal, which creates any drug withdrawal. It's just your body's trying to compensate. With this, there's no ketamine in me now to speak of. I guess maybe ketamine creates something in your brain that whatever So well that's one of the weirdest things about some psychedelic trips is you feel like there's rewiring going on Mm-hmm You feel that with DMT like they're working in your brain like you see them peripherally and you're looking at you going

Yeah, no like doing some shit off to the side. That's what I mean. It's like going backstage. You're right You're just like oh fuck. This is the oh go. Hey guys How are you? Well you I think you're right. And you're just like, Oh fuck. This is the, Oh, go ahead guys. How are you? Well, you, I think you're seeing, wait, correct me if I'm wrong,

but what you're seeing is like the roots of where your behavior is coming from. When you're saying that you see the wiring under the board. Yeah. I, I just see more like the board, the board itself. Yeah. Not necessarily like,

Oh, there's the childhood, the lever. Do you see your child? I didn't see your child very much no i mean see you in the current state i don't i don't really see i would it was a pov um we all know pov from porn uh it's pov shot of me basically laying in the same position as i was on the bed which is just like you know sitting up in the bed so it I was on the bed, which is just like, you know, sitting up in the bed. So it was just me basically at one point it became like a little roller coaster, like, but a fun kind of smooth, like water ride. Um, but it's just me kind of going through different things.

Um, and some of the times it was just like white blah, you know, just like and You going into it with a mindset where you're trying to cure your depression or you're trying to eliminate it or mitigate it Yeah, I didn't yeah, I was like I'm just hopeful Right, but why you're having these experiences while you're on the water slide. Is this a theme a thinking I'm Are you just experiencing it? It's just kind of nice, a nice feeling. And then at times I would be like, oh, fuck, I'm in Santa Monica. I'm trying to treat depression.

Whoa. And you would think that while you're in the middle of the trip? Yes. Wow. Yeah. And the other thing is, I could hear the doctor sometimes. Who would he say? He'd be talking, oh, there's a nurse watching you the whole time.

A nurse? Is she hot? She's super fucking hot. there was a nurse Watching you the whole time A nurse? Yeah She's super fucking hot Really? Stephanie If you listen Is she really? She was cute

Yeah She was She's stacked And that's where the POV Came in handy She's got a corset on Yeah No so she was watching

She just watches you And I was like Hey would you videotape me? And she was like yeah And then I got him She's like you didn't do anything So I didn't videotape I was like it wasn't really the point but um you're supposed to catch

me while i'm under so i'd say this is me under yeah a couple times got her own artistic direction fucking you know how they get um goddamn nurse so uh so yeah so there's a nurse watching you and then there was they also use ketamine for pain management. If people have chronic pain that they can't get rid of, yeah, ketamine's a treatment. Why ketamine for that? I don't know. It's the same fucking thing. Something's going on, yeah.

The not knowing why it's effective is very strange. Yeah, and the dosage, my understanding is the dosage is way less than people would take on the street. And the fact that it's way less than people take on the street and I was still fucking tripping my balls off is I don't know what happens on the street. And the fact that it's way less than people would take on the street and I was still fucking tripping my balls off is I don't know what happens on the street. Well, the street ones, they're taking, they're snorting it

or they're smoking it. Oh, so it's less. So maybe it gets cut down by the body. Oh, you gotta imagine. It's getting processed by your stomach. It's going through your organs and all that jazz. You're just shooting it right into your blood. You probably need way less.

Yeah. So, yeah, so. You should look into Lily. Look into John Lily because he really was a fucking nut for ketamine. He became addicted to it. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Well, he apparently was.

I can't imagine getting addicted to it because it's pretty. I know another guy who got addicted to it's pretty, it's a day filler. Like it's a day. Well, a guy who was into it as a club drug, he got addicted to it and came out here. A buddy of mine took him out here to rehab. He was a fighter. Took him out to, there's a place in Thousand Oaks. It's a rehab place that specializes or did specialize.

This is like early 2000s, specialized in ketamine, and he wound up dying from it. He died. From withdrawal or overdose? Drug overdose, whatever kind of drug. Who knows if it was ketamine or a bunch of other things. Or a combo, yeah.

With ketamine, but he had a real ketamine problem. So ketamine like recreationally does carry with it. Dude, I wouldn't know. It's like you can't fucking't care I wouldn't know too I wouldn't it's what's like you can't fucking trip mm-hmm I wouldn't want it's like would you want to do shrooms every day some people would but it's like everything else like you know should you be able to get a tattoo yeah of course some people want to tattoo every part of their body including their eyeballs okay well that's not me but yeah as long as I can say I want to have a sleeve, I can't stop some guy from turning his

eyeballs into a toad from the X-Men or whatever the fuck he's doing. What's that guy's name? It wasn't Toad, right? Something like that? Frog? What the fuck's his name? Wolverine? No, the froggy guy. I don't think there was a frog in X-Men. What was he? The guy with the fucking tail. Nightcrawler?

No, there was Nightcrawler and there was another guy that was like a toad. Whatever. You know what I'm saying. You know what the fuck I'm talking about. Big, crazy, West Borland-looking black eyes. Yeah, I don't... I wouldn't... I would have no interest in doing that.

I would like to do it as little... Is that a different one? What is that one? That's a different one. So that's not... That's not the frog? That's not the one I was talking about. Well, who the fuck is that? That's a different one. So that's not the frog? That's not the one I was talking about. Well, who the fuck is that?

That's the frog. I was talking about the... Oh, you're talking about somebody else. The other guy who's up there. The other guy is the guy with that guy right there. The guy to the left of that. The other guy. That guy.

Yeah. Oh, all right. Yeah. That's what he looked like. All right. Whatever. Yeah, I couldn't imagine doing it. It was pleasant, but it wasn't that pleasant.

Because the hangover's not. I hate that fucking feeling of coming out of anesthesia. Like, I had a septum surgery, and the guy didn't take out enough shit, but that's a whole other thing. But when I came out of it, it was in New York probably eight, nine years ago But when I came out of it, it was in New York like probably eight, nine years ago. When I came out of it, it was the fucking worst feeling coming out of the anesthesia.

And I couldn't breathe. I was like, can I please get some water? I can't really breathe. And she was like, we can't give you water. It's that thing where they're like, Mr. Brown, Mr. Brown. It's just like this jarring fucking thing where they're trying to wake you up. And I was like, please. And she's like, I can give you an ice cube she gave me an ice cube i hocked up a fucking blood pellet that was like

well what if i hadn't asked for that shit like i could have it was dangerous um so you had swallowed like a clot basically yeah breathe in a clot or yeah some like blood booger or something i put some pictures on twitter after i got my deviated septum done where I was blowing out these fucking silver dollar-sized hunks of blood and booger. Did you get enough meat? The guy didn't take enough meat out. Yeah, my guy was awesome. He did a great job.

I almost want to get it again. Get it again. All right. I love it, man. Now that I've come out of the fucking ketamine, maybe I can double up. Having nose breathing, being able to breathe through my nose, I didn't get that until I was like 40. At 39, I think I had double up. Having nose breathing, being able to breathe through my nose, I didn't get that until I was like 40. At 39, I think I had it done.

I still can't really breathe out of one of my nostrils. Yeah. For me, it's magic. Can you imagine the kind of shape I'd be in if I had both nostrils? I'm terrified. Fucking guy. Fucking guy running marathons and shit. This guy's got two nostrils.

He knows what to do with them. Well, it's just nice to be able to breathe. Just to be able to breathe out of your nose with your mouth closed. I was a mouth breather most of my life. Yeah. But apparently it's not an easy surgery. And some people just, it doesn't work right on them. You know, and some people.

Does it grow back? That's the other thing I've heard. You can. It grows back to like. Can swell. I've heard like it just repeats. No, mine hasn't. Okay. How long ago was it? Mine's been seven years. Okay... It can swell. But I've heard like it just repeats. No, mine hasn't. Okay.

How long ago was it? Mine's been seven years. It's amazing. Yeah. They trim your turbinates, I think they're called. Those big bones in there. And they also cut out a lot of calcified blood on me. Oh, really?

Yeah. Mine was all like... There was like an x-ray. The guy was like, I don't think you need anything. And then he showed... He did like the x-ray. guy's like I don't think you need anything and then he showed he did like the x-ray And it there was so much like cartilage or whatever it was turley It was like it was like cinnamon bund mm-hmm to fit. Oh god So I guess he took that out, but he didn't take out enough shit

They say that there's a large percentage of people that deal with block septums that it's super common Yeah, because your nose is so fragile you're whacking on a door and all of a sudden it's bent and now you don't breathe right for the rest of your life until you get an operation i've heard whether it's true or not that like a lot of it has to do with inbreeding i really have i've heard that jewish people and irish people have fucked up noses from inbreeding really where'd you read that in fucking on reddit bro where do you think I fucking read it? Well, you know how

fighters get cauliflower ear? Yeah. Which is rough. They get that with their nose as well. You get it with your nose. Inside your nose? Yeah. Got it. The soft tissue inside your nose bleeds and swells and fills with blood and that blood hardens and calcifies. And there's nothing you can... Gotta get in there and scrape it out.

Gotta get an operation. Can they do anything for cauliflower ear? Yeah. Yeah. They cut the ear. They flay it open. And then they scrape out all the calcification. And it's just calcified ear. Yeah.

It's just blood that becomes calcified. When blood leaks, like when you have breaks in the blood vessels, apparently, and it's under the surface of the skin, it swells up, like fills up with blood. And then that blood hardens and becomes like calcium. Someone I know was telling me that they woke up with vertigo. Whoa. And it turned out, because a friend of hers had had it for months, and they go, yeah, it turned out it was just a piece of dust in my inner ear. So basically, if you ever wake up with vertigo, one of the ways you get rid of it is literally like trying to get water out of your head. You're trying to just jar the dust or whatever it is.

Like somersaults fucking laying on your side. I swear to God, there was like somersaults is one of the cures. Wow. So if anyone wakes up with vertigo, get to fucking flip it. How weird is it that your ears control your balance? Like somewhere in your ears and your balance are connected. Yeah. And your nose and your taste buds are connected.

Yeah. What the fuck is going on with the human design? What a shit design. Your balls are connected. Yeah. Yeah. The fuck is going on with the human design? What a shit design. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And your balls are on the outside. Yeah. That's what I've been saying. And every time you come, you can make a person.

Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's too wild. It's too ridiculous. It's a trick. They tricked us. The fucks. Yeah, so, uh.

God damn tricks. So, um, look, man, I'm happy to hear that this is really working for you. Yeah, I'm still not, I think I'm still not hoping that I have maybe 30 more percent upside. To go? Yeah. More room? I think with the SSRI stuff, like once that completely dissipates, yeah. But I'm like it's more enjoyable from the pov than it was would you

recommend this to other people do you recommend yeah i mean i it's i wouldn't you know recommending a medical treatment it's personal but right if you feel like all i can tell you is i tried a bunch of shit and it's and it's the reason they do ketamine, there's another one called TMS, which is the, the magnetic one. There's a guy in Chicago who does both at the same time. Jesus Christ, this guy's a madman. The fuck's he trying to do? Um. Make a Superman?

And, uh, he. Commodulate your psychic. Yeah. So, uh, you're the doctor. Um, so, you, uh, yeah, I, I, yeah, there's a bunch of shit. And it's like, if you're just sick of it, I was just sick enough of it that I was like, I don't, name the price, name the hardship. Because there's nothing, I'm just sick of it.

Well, you know, kudos to you for keeping, keep searching. And TMS, the transcranial magnetic stimulation, is covered by some insurance. With magnets? Yes. On your head? Yes. And they don't know how it works. But they got it.

And I was on a show the other night, by the way. It was like a science show, science slash comedy show. Like there were panelists that were scientists, panelists sell her comics. A woman on the panel has, she's involved in a magnet thing that increases people's sex drive forever. Fucking chicks. Yeah, like,

shoot magnets and you're way hornier. That sounds crazy. Who do you think, but I said, I don't think men need it. Right. Because the dudes

fuck your life up. So the idea is you give it to women? Yeah women yeah like it's a Spanish fly and magnet basically Yeah, so why you check is asleep. You put a fucking magnet fucking magnets out Joe there are people online that was saying they can make it at home not the not the sex one But the transcranial one but um well there's been all sorts of magnetic pulse to ease depression Yeah, wow yeah, what does it say? one but um well there's been all sorts of magnetic pulse to ease depression look at that yeah wow yeah what does it say non-invasive procedure to help fight depression calls transcranial magnetic stimulation or tms uses magnetic pulse to stimulate brain cells that control mood but

they use that transcranial stimulation for a lot of different shit right there was there was uh not magnetics but electric they were they had these electrodes they were attaching to people's brains that helped them learn shit quicker there's all sorts of weird little hacks that you can use that help stimulate little areas of the brain that they covered on radio lab there was a radio lab episode about this woman who went through a sniper school test you know i heard that one you see that one yeah yeah that one was amazing or listen to that one that one was amazing because she did it and then she did it the second time she's like everything was in slow motion yeah feel felt like it only took five minutes and it was 20 minutes later basically ate a zone pill

yeah like i'm in the zone now yeah so uh it's amazing yeah i love this i love that there's so many people working on all these different ways to improve the way the brain functions and they're kind of still in This infancy with it. They're fucking with adding pills and I'm grateful just for the shit. They've done so far It's like fucking thank you even for the pills that didn't work. It's like fucking at least you're trying. Yeah, that's really cool I've never had a depression issue. I don't think I mean I think I might have when I was really young But I don't think. I mean, I think I might have when I was really young, but I don't have it. I definitely don't have it now,

but I sympathize with it, and I know a lot of people have had it, and I know a lot of people have had it, and they've come back, and they're much better. You know, Ari Shaffir is one that I always point to. Ari was severely depressed at one point in time, and now he's just amazing. I mean, he's the happiest fucker I know. From shrooms, you think? Had a lot to do with it. Success had a lot to do with it. Ari's, like, really successful now. time and you know and now he's just amazing i mean he's the happiest fucker i know from one

of them do you think had a lot to do with it success had a lot to do with it or he's like really successful now yeah and you know he doesn't feel like he's on the outside anymore he's not he felt like i think for a while like that he wasn't being recognized he was being recognized by us you know like all of our friends and like crowds would laugh at him but the industry wasn't taking him seriously or he wasn't connecting yet I had another brain thing over two days. I think it was earlier this week. Where one day I was like, fucking no one cares about you. And the next day, like, it was a professional gripe where I'm like,

all that shit. And then the next day, I had the same thought. And then it was followed by like, well then fight. You know what I mean? Like fight it. You gotta fight. Yeah. Like.

Are you alright? Yeah. It was like, then fucking do something about it. Whereas the day before I was just like hopeless. Like that's the thing is like one of the depression things is like learned helplessness. Is it simple? They think that was one of the things that like, that was a behavioral thing where it's like, you have to like when when mice couldn't they when

they realized they couldn't get out of a box they just stopped trying but then there were certain mice they gave i think a chemical too that would keep that would like just fight fight fight until they died but they but that was the thing of like okay like i wasn't getting that a month ago that learned victim mentality is it's that that's a a groove that's like carved in people and some people it's become so prominent yeah they just automatically drop right into that and then they're a victim yeah and they search for that and then they they use it for situations they also use it in arguments like they become a victim in the argument it's super common and it's so self-defeating but so it's

it's so a normal part of like really weak thinking yeah but having said that a lot of some of weak thinking is as chemical problem as fucking diabetes yeah you know I mean like exactly and also not everybody has the same exact fucking childhood and growing up Experiences so your your formative experiences that you're having with its shaping your personality What giant percentage of them are completely out of your control? Yeah, and how arrogant is it to assume that everybody had the experiences that you had so you've gotten through them Yeah, everybody else Henry Rollins needs to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and not fucking shoot themselves like Robin Williams that pussy fucking pussy yeah, I mean, that's the crazy well, that's like when people say it's like a

Depressions like a strength thing. It's like If you're talking about mental fortitude I've got a pretty good track record of like shit I've done and same with Robin Williams talking fucking not easy what he's done fucking right however many hours of stand up he stole no but to write a ton of stand up to be that good an actor to be just

his recall was fucking amazing like he's got a good brain so he's not like a weak guy well it's good at some things at least you know Mark Gordon who's a good friend of mine who's a doctor he's an expert in traumatic brain injury and recovery from traumatic brain injury. And one of the things that he talked about, he actually wrote a paper about this, about people that have gone through very significant operations where they've been under anesthesia for long periods of time and had like open heart surgery, that type of shit. There's a large percentage of them that experience some pretty significant depression after it's

over. And they think it has to do with hormonal imbalances that occur after these traumatic physical... I've heard that, yeah. Yeah, that... But some people have like a kind of... It seems like Letterman had the opposite. Like he had heart surgery and was like a new man.

He was just appreciative and shit like that. Well, that's true too. You know, some people, they go through these near death experiences and it wakes them up. Yeah. Like they realize, hey, asshole, this is almost over. Maybe it's time to be nice to people. Yeah. Maybe appreciate, smell the flowers. You're fucking David Letterman, dude. Yeah.

Go out and hug some folks, you know? Yeah, that's, he started taking antidepressants. Did he really? Yeah, he's, it was on Alec Baldwin's podcast. He talked about it. Like Alec Baldwin has a podcast? Alec Baldwin had, he had a podcast. I was on Alec Baldwin's podcast. He talked about it. Alec Baldwin has a podcast? Alec Baldwin, he had a podcast. I don't know if it came back. That guy's got golden pipes, first of all.

The way he talks. Is that what you're saying? This is Alec Baldwin. It's a joy to listen to that podcast. That's an easy hour right there. But his ego would keep me from enjoying a lot of it. Yeah, but just distracted, fucking disquieted. Don't pay attention to that part. You're listening to fucking golden

But I'll take an ego with pipes like that. What if you were paparazzi? Would you hold a grudge? Yeah? I think that's what made him it was on a public radio station in New York And they were like you can't be saying faggot no, that's like sorry man Can't say I can't do it But yet so he was talking about it on Alex's podcast, and it was like he went on him shortly after that. I think he had shingles, too, and he was just miserable. And they were like, go on in.

And he's like, really? And he said, I don't know what the analogy was, but it was like I had clumpy hair that I couldn't get a comb through, and now I could get the comb through it or something I don't remember what the end but some similar to that but he's kind of chubby and it doesn't really exercises and I bet he doesn't eat letterman no oh no I'm talking about letterman letterman letterman we talked about it on a podcast oh okay well letterman also this is post-open heart surgery?

Yeah. That makes sense. I'd heard stories about him where he was, you know, I'd hear stories where he wouldn't be happy with the monologue. He'd just be banging his head against the wall. Yeah, I heard that too. I heard that from my friend who's his assistant. Yeah. He fucking hated everything he did.

Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why he was the best. Yeah. It's just the way it is. Yeah. He would, yeah. of the reasons why he was the best yeah it's just the way it is yeah he would yeah there's a there was a story in that in that late night book the late shift that I think it was in that book but Peter LaSalle had a big house in Malibu and he was the exact producer of The Tonight Show and like an exact producer

on late night with David Letterman then he became one on the new one too but so he was sort of like Letterman's go-between for Johnny. And he had a beautiful and Letterman was like, man, I could never have a house like this. And he goes, you make ten times the money I make. And he's like, really?

It just never occurred to him that things were good and he could do well. Another thing. i'm more apt to cry now as well in a good way not like like i saw inside out and cried oh which isn't like a good yeah sweet but uh but like so you feel more yeah yes wow yeah so far i'm happy for you get addicted and i think it's awesome i'm happy for you. Before you get addicted and die. I think it's awesome. I'm happy for you.

Yeah, I'm happy for myself. And I appreciate you coming on here and talking about it. Well, no, yeah, because it's fucking, because the thing with therapy that it's very, first of all, people don't know it's very hard to find a good therapist. Like, people are too quick to go like, yeah, they're fine. You got to shop around, which people don't realize. And with antidepressants, you got to shop around. And if none of them work, keep looking for other shit.

Like, don't just go, I can't do it. So, yeah. But I look forward to the rest of my life, Joe. I look forward to hanging out with you, Neil Brennan. You're a bad motherfucker. Thanks, bud. I appreciate it, man. You too.

I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you talking about this. It takes a lot of courage. Oh, yeah. No problem. Neil motherfucking Brennan. I appreciate you talking about this. It takes a lot of courage. Oh, yeah. No problem. Neil motherfucking Brennan. Follow him on Twitter and Instagram. And website?

You got a website? NeilBrennan.com. I don't know what's going on there. It's filled with raccoons and shit at this point. Nobody uses websites anymore. Websites are all social media. Social media is too effective. All right, fuckers.

We'll be back uh with podcast number 666 on monday and who's the guest duncan trussell of course pray satan or allah or whoever you like all right all right love you fuckers uh see you soon bye-bye big kiss Thank you.