The Joe Rogan Experience - #679 - Barry Crimmins & Bobcat Goldthwait

Episode Date: August 6, 2015

"Call Me Lucky" is a documentary about the life and traumatic childhood experiences of Boston stand up comedy legend Barry Crimmins that was directed by Bobcat Goldthwait. Limited release in theaters starts August 7, visit http://callmeluckymovie.com to a screening.

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, Bobcat Goldthwait, better known as Bob. Bob's here, and Barry Crimmins, thank you very much for coming. I really, really appreciate it. Hey Joe, it's great to be here. Where are the drugs? We got a lot of stuff. But I'm mostly a pot guy, so if you want that, we got that. But we got plenty of alcohol.

I know you enjoy that, sir. When I was a kid, when I first started doing stand-up, you would go on stage and you would pull a Budweiser out of your blazer. That was part of your jazz. That was the old open where I'd walk out smoking a cigarette and then pull a beer out and take a big chug of it and say, I'm kind of a health nut. That was the open. You know, it was a very fortuitous, just amazing situation to be starting out and stand up in 1988 in Boston.

It was such an incredible spot to be in. Just total dumb luck where I decided to do an open mic night. Dumb luck got me there. Yeah, dumb luck got you there. But for folks who don't know, you were one of the reasons why Boston became what it was. were one of the reasons why Boston became what it was and you and the the community that you sort of established at the Ding Ho was the legendary community when I came along it was already gone right when did it when did it end I think around 83 84 something like that and then I went to Stitches and tried to maintain that but then you know I I mainly became a comedy producer

to get stage time and knew other comics needed stage time and also knew comics needed to be treated like someone when they walked into a joint because i'd been around the country and been treated like shit you stand in line you put you know you have 12 hours since you got in line and you get on for three minutes and then they tell you you can't come back for three weeks and it's like, well, I fucking hitchhiked here and, you know, camping out to do comedy. And now I can come back in three weeks. Thanks. And it's some gruff shithead with a clipboard who's nasty.

So anybody that walked in the ding, I tried to make sure they were treated well and given a fair chance. And the thoughts that when we put our shows together, people who feel like they're somebody are going to act like they're somebody, and they're going to do a good job. And, you know, I think the proof is in the remarkable amount of great talent that came out of there. Phenomenal amount. I mean, it spawned. Joe Iosa. No, I'm just naming the open mic comedians. All the greats.

You still remember? Lenny the Loser. Yeah, Lenny the Loser. Charlie Golub. Joe Iosa. Like, Lenny the Loser. Charlie Golub. Joe Iose. Like, I owes you a nickel. Oh, yeah. And I remember.

He used to pump his arms when he taught. When he did his act, he was like. But he's doing his act. And the crowd was kind of. Joe Iose. There was this really terrible thing where the crowd. He's probably listening. Well, yeah. I doubt it. was kind of there's this really terrible thing where the crowd probably listening well yeah

i doubt it but so so the crowd did this really evil thing one night barry's hosting this open mic i don't know if you remember this and then they start laughing at him instead of with him and he thinks he's killing and the crowd's going is very evil and very dada so he's having the set of his life not knowing that they're making fun of him. Barry is upset by this. And he's like, he walks out on stage. He goes,

I know what you're doing now. Just stop it. That's not nice. And, and, and, and, and,

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those guys are going to stay in the business like four extra years just based on that one night. Because that one set. There was a set at the Comedy Store where Joey Diaz went behind the stage. There's a curtain in the original room of the comedy store and there's this woman who was on stage who's just, whatever. She doesn't have the gene.

It just doesn't exist. But she kept trying. She was always there and it was one of those things where she would go on stage at midnight or something like that and she would mostly clear the room. But she's on stage

and Joey goes backstage behind the curtain and when she's on stage and Joey goes backstage behind the curtain and when she hits her punchlines he would open the curtain up and his pants would be down. So his dick of balls would be hanging out. And you know, Joey's 300 pounds he's got this giant gut and it's hilarious. So every time she hits her punchline

he opens the curtain and she's smashing it. And as the set goes on she gets more and more confident. Because she starts to strut a little bit and she's smashing it. And as the set goes on, she gets more and more confident. Because she starts to strut a little bit. She starts to think, finally an audience gets my humor. And she's fucking killing. I mean, every time. And the next time she went on stage, she bombed.

And she chastised the audience. Right. Telling them that this stuff killed last week. And we were like, fuck, she'll never know. Did she ever catch on? Did anyone ever tell her? I don't believe so. As far as I know, no.

And if you told her, she would never believe you anyway. She'd just put it in a folder in the back of her head. Well, that's the thing. That same thing that keeps us going, what is that? And there's folks that never done well and they keep going well that was that open mic night thing where people get the phantom laughs people would hear phantom laughs yeah that was pretty good you're like well well i'm even to this day and this is a thing that kills me these kids you know they they find out about you and they want to and oh thanks for

waiting for comedy here i'm to send you my latest set. And it's them bombing in front of four people in a fucking pizza shop. And they say, what do you think of this? I said, I think whatever money you have, use to buy this up and destroy it. Are you fucking crazy? This sucks.

And you've immortalized it. You know, don't put shitty sets on. You know, and by the way, kids, when you walk on the stage and no one knows who the fuck you are, how about opening with a joke instead of going, hi, how are you? You know, like that golden moment when you can fucking take the stage and get somewhere with them. Like, wow, how did you think of that opening? How about saying something funny and that's maybe pertinent to where you are that shows you're on the same planet as the audience, but you're the funny guy.

That's why you're walking on the stage. Just a suggestion. Well, Boston has a very low tolerance for fucking meandering on stage. Yeah, there was no... You didn't have a grace period as soon as you came out. I think this is the best place to develop because of that. Because you had to come out guns blazing you would learn everything else afterwards but you had to get them and if you lost them like very few people would start bombing in boston and recover like

there was very little recovery yeah yeah it's like if you if you got lit on fire in the moments of your yeah i mean you could i would do it for fun sometimes. Just to see, like, let's see what pit we can get out of today. There'd be a cut man in the corner. Rich pageant. I think I did that subconsciously, but it was just shitty planning. You know, that's what it turned out to be. Yeah, I wasn't like, that was going poorly, and then he really pulled it up. It doesn't happen.

It never happens. Not in Boston. Man, am I enjoying this interview after two straight weeks of, can we get up and talk about yourself all day? Well, also, we were talking. It's the nature of the movie. Oh, I've done it. I've let us into it.

It's all about fucking moron. Don't worry about it. We'll be fine. Well, I can give you an example. So, you know, the movie. It's called Call Me Lucky. Call Me Lucky. I watch it a lot.

Oh. Uh-oh. Get him some paper towels, Jim., the movie. It's called Call Me Lucky. Call Me Lucky. I watch it a lot. Oh. Uh-oh. Get him some paper towels. I'm sorry. No worries. There you go. I'm sorry. So, yeah.

A little reminder of my visit, Joe. Well, it's fresh beer. It's what happens. So, yeah. So, Call Me Lucky. He really doesn't want to talk about it. He's pouring beer all over the studio. No, no.

We can, and we can get to it eventually. I can tell you examples of what went horribly wrong. You know what I mean? It's like, we're doing those satellite things and it's like, you're talking to Tate and Teabag in El Paso. Tate and Teabag again. And so, he's like,

you know, the movie deals with Barry talking and dealing with and surviving his childhood rapes, you know, the movie deals with Barry talking and dealing with and... Surviving. Childhood rapes. Childhood rapes, you know, when he was four. And you could tell these guys were like, well, we talk about rape, but, you know, we're never serious. You know, it was really creepy.

Fucking idiots. It was the worst. Some people are just not... They just... Whatever... They can't... They're not capable. They're talking like a little kitty in the morning.

Yeah, they just can't navigate anything that's complicated or serious or nuanced or really sensitive emotionally. Some people just don't have the capacity. They shouldn't. You know, Ryan Seacrest. If you're doing a fucking interview with Ryan Seacrest, it's great if you want to tell him what color you like. What's your favorite color? Line three. I like red, but sometimes blue.

He's perfect for that. I'm just kind of in awe of someone like him with an empire. But I don't know what he does. I'm not even being negative. He found a hum. He found a hum that secretaries tune into. It's like a whistle that dogs can hear. And he hit that hum.

It's like a drone. It never goes too high, it never goes too low, and he never says, fuck this world, what are we doing with our... Never. There's none of that. Yeah, he's not threatening the old ladies and little girls. I listen to his radio show in awe. Yeah.

His radio show's amazing. Really? For all the wrong reasons. I mean, he's not a bad guy, by the way. I've met him, I did his old show. He has to be. He's just... You should say that. There'd be a comment.

People would be like, ah, he's a nice guy. He'd be like, yeah, he has to be. I'm funny. I can afford to be an asshole. But he's got that market covered. That bland, white guy always wears a suit suit market cornered. He just knows how to nail it.

It doesn't bother me. Because I did God Bless America. People think I hate American Idol and all that stuff. I never really cared about it. God Bless America. Your movie was fucking awesome. Oh, thanks. And ruthless and just ridiculous.

I watched it on a plane. Your movie was fucking awesome. Oh, thanks. And ruthless and just ridiculous. I watched it on a plane, and there's one point in time I had to fucking do this with my earphones. I go, fucking Jesus. And then go right back in. I literally took the earphones off to talk to you. Wait till this one hits the plane. I saw it. I saw it last night. I like you, like, leaning, someone leaning over, and there's a baby getting shot with a shotgun.

It's a crazy fucking movie. But you had a point. You went for it. I like to say it's a violent movie about kindness. It really is. I mean, that's all that Joel's character wants is people to act right. Right, yeah. And it's not...

I don't even agree with... I agree with about 90% of the things that he's mad about. But, you know, because that clearly wouldn't work. It's not a good plan. Yeah. When I came up in Boston, what I was going to say when I was talking about you getting on stage with the beer bottles. You had this thing that you represented when you would go on stage. This is a guy who stood for something.

You know, and a lot of people didn't. And I didn't. We were all just kids. You were finding your way on the stage first. I was one of those kids at first, too. I'm sure. I mean, no need to qualify it, but there was a very distinctive feeling

when you got on stage. This was a serious person. This is a guy who was a stand-up comedian, a very distinct feeling when you got on stage like this is this is a serious person this is a guy who's a stand-up comedian a very funny person but this guy stands for shit the way it's this is this is this is what's right and this is what's wrong and when shit's wrong you point it out and then you know i followed your career uh through the time you did that uh the it was a cassette at the time i think with randy credicoico and who else was on it with you? Which one? You guys had did the whole political series. I went to Nicaragua.

Oh, Credico, Tingle went. Tingle, right. Was it just you three? No, there were several other people. Bev Mickens and I'm blanking only because I've, you know. Yeah, you've done so much. I'm like, Barry, where are you? I'm going to Nicaragua to do comedy

I'm like who books that Boston comedy is that a Barry Katz gig it's a Sandinista gig actually Billy Downs involved in that we got paid I always loved Billy but you know to me

and I think you know it was reflective of the way guys were speaking about you in the documentary. You were an important part of that comedy community because you were, you know, I think comedy communities are only as strong as the strongest link. You know, you could say they're only as weak as the weakest link, but not really in comedy because there's always going to be open micers. And essentially, there's a weird thing like you're not a comic until you're getting paid. But they're all comics. We all were open micers and aspiring, whatever distinction you want to put in the beginning of it. But the strongest member of the community is really where the community lies. And that's where the standards are set.

And so you were a very, very important guy to me when I was coming up. Joe, that means a lot. It means a lot to me. I wasn't thinking, I mean, I mean, those thoughts hadn't really crystallized. I was just trying to do what was right. And I was trying to do what I wanted to be in the situation that you know i wanted to provide the situation that i wanted to be in myself and and i and i was immediately rewarded for that with who came in and the blossoming of all that talent that worked it was great and we had a really nice we had a really nice run sometimes like i don't want to you know we've done enough ding-ho reunions it's like going to your little league reunion well we're a really team, but we didn't even win the fucking

championship, you know, but it's great seeing all those people now and then and whatever, but we really you know, we really did it together. It was just a matter of just providing this sort of one opportunity, and then as far, I did the same thing I wanted everybody else to do. I developed at what

I was good at. What I was good at was talking about what was going on. What was your first time meeting him? Were you nervous? I never met him. Did you see him or did you hear about him? I got the fuck out of the way. I didn't want him to see my ass. I met you.

Maybe. Hi. What's up? I knew you and I knew what you were doing and I liked you. Thank you very much. It never ended. I'm on your show and I know I get to tell the truth here. I knew what you were doing and I saw the spark there

and then I heard what else you were doing. Oh, now Joe's found... You know exactly what I'm talking about because you fucking do it, brother. You do it. You found what you're supposed to be talking about. You found what you're supposed to be illuminating people about. And then you found a way to become

tremendous at it. And I couldn't be happier that I played a little role in providing, helping to create stage time in a scene somewhere where somebody like you came out of. So thanks, man. You did me right. Thank you. You definitely did. But that fear you were talking about never went away.

I would have an HBO special, and the phone would be ringing, and I'd go, that's fucking Krimitz. But I was always... You would, but you would actually say, you would go, hey, you made a really good point here. Why the fuck are you picking on Bruce Willis? He's just an actor. And we'd just go down the line, and I'd go, okay.

It'd be like back and forth. Well, I felt that last night when he came up to me after my set. I was like, thank God I didn't know he was in the room when I was up there. Oh, Jesus Christ. He came up, right when I got off stage, I was like, whew. I dodged that bullet. Every movie I make, too, I'm like, oh, I hope he likes it. Oh, man.

I really liked the new one. Oh, man. I really like the new one. Now, when did you know, when did you find out about his... By the way, did you see, we're doing this live on the air. Did you see the New Yorker piece today? Holy fucking shit, is it a Valentine. The New Yorker, and not a tiny piece. I'm thinking if you get a little blurb in the New Yorker, you're doing it anyway.

So I'm in a pretty good mood. I just wish I had my kettle drum with me so I could play it. Dun-dun-dee-dun-dun-dun-dee-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun I was thinking like those Jamaican guys, but that's like a kettle drum. Yeah, that's tunable. That'd be a nice surprise for me. Someone could surprise me with the, you know, somebody maybe. Maybe, maybe. We never know. Depending if we do well in a word season.

So you were saying what? When did you find out about the traumatic history? When did you find out about the childhood rape, which was a major part of it? You didn't reveal it until about an hour into the film. The idea isn't like a spoiler alert thing or anything. I wanted people to... No one will be allowed out of the theater at the 30-minute mark. Yeah, because tonally I give clues that something's coming. And he talks about some things.

So you can tell, and other people do. But I, you know, I get a little weird if people think that I was trying to manipulate him. I wanted people to meet him, know who he was, so they could empathize. I wouldn't say manipulate. I would say you set it up beautifully. Oh, thanks. It was great. It was very compelling, captivating.

But, you know, knowing Barry and knowing about the story because of you telling me about it, I had no idea. No one had any idea. Well, he told me before he went to the judiciary Senate hearing. Well, I told you before I went public at all. Yeah. And, yeah, before you did it, talked about it on stage. Yeah, and before you did it, I talked about it on stage, but he said that he found, my reaction was, what was it like? He was like, all right, because I said, you know, like, oh, there's a reason you're such a dick.

I was like, I've been betting on this all along, because he's going like, everyone's going like, criminal is an alcoholic. He could tell I was just using it as coolant, you coolant you know yeah like i was turned up missing for days it was just like you know i really did running hot man i really did like i was always like i went no man you know he doesn't have the werewolf you know he doesn't like and he his personality doesn't change he stops for long periods he just you know so i knew twain said when the others drink i like to help and that's you know so there was so there's this anger and pain in my friend that i knew for all these years and when he told me it wasn't like i just was like oh i was kind of it was an awful relief i would say would be your response yeah i was yeah i was like oh you know inside i'm like and then i went into panic mode i go well what do i do now and then i thought oh maybe i won't talk and let him talk

and that's and that's what a point that comes out in the film and people i would be telling friends about it and they would be saying to me well have you talked to anyone about this yeah i fucking thought i was talking to you, man. I guess not. Oh, I've got to go pay somebody $200 to be put on pharmaceutical dry ice until I stop talking about it. That's your plan, right? Well, listen, shithead, I'm going to keep talking about it. Not to you.

Goodbye. Thank you for helping me edit my friends list. This guy listened. You've been living in upstate New York for how long now? About the last 10 to, no, for this millennium. What made you decide to go up there? You know what? It's the internet, and I can do what I want.

Yeah. And if I have to go work or prepare somewhere, I've got to go to an airport. So I go to Rochester or Ithaca or Elmira or wherever. But I get to sit there. It's so peaceful. So I hope you come visit me, airport. So I go to Rochester or Ithaca or, you know, Elmira or wherever. But I get to sit there. It's so peaceful. So I hope you come visit me, Joe. I would love to. Because it's really fucking tremendous there.

How far away is it from New York City? About four and a half, five hours. So that's how you do it? You fly in New York? You fly or drive? I don't mind driving there sometimes because it's sort of you kind of get in game mode and you get out of game mode on the way back. So I like that.

But my house is like, I finally have the ideal place to do some acid. So, ah, yeah, the parents are, if the parents come home, they're me. And then I got to get good acid. I hear it's fucking terrible. It's awful. Goddamn government. I mean, you know, for Christ's sake, well,

I think they figured out too many people got smart after that sort of came through. Oh, they certainly did. I mean, the 1970s, the sweeping act, when they made

all the psychedelics illegal, they made stuff that wasn't even psychoactive illegal. Yeah. They just tried to make everything illegal. They just didn't want

anybody experimenting with anything that was going to make another Timothy Leary. My friend Tim Walco said about cocaine, this is how I feel too. It's like, you know, I don't like to stay up. I don't do coke. I don't like to stay up late and complain about my Little League coach.

So I was never a coke guy. And, you know, in Boston it was bad. I wasn't a coke guy. But I used to say to people, if you want to get high, I'll get some acid. You know, and see if we're looking for the dealer at midnight. I'll get some acid, you know and see if we're looking for the dealer at midnight Pull out another ten hits if we need them, you know, but we don't and you won't the cops We'll get fucking high, you know, that's the thing but my only my only acid experience as well was when I was a total mess and I was

Take drinking and taking other drugs at the same time right so then you wake up well I didn't wake up I just beat the alcohol and coke war off in jail in the Watertown Jail and I remember I remember like this I thought it was the wall or I don't know. I just saw this thing going going The three scourges were in the next cell. Well, that's what it was like I figured it out later on It was some dude was snoring, but I was convinced Because you were tripping It could have went on five minutes or an hour. I'm not sure. But I remember looking at this thing on the wall going, hee, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Well, psychedelic drugs can definitely make you interpret sounds in a strange way.

Yeah. That's why those South American shaman have those songs they sing while you take ayahuasca. Yeah. The whole idea behind it. I've never taken ayahuasca, but I've done DMT, which is the same thing. It's the active ingredient. And when you do it with those songs, you see the songs dance. You see them. It's very, very bizarre. It's the active ingredient. And when you do it with those songs, like you see the songs dance. Like you see them.

It's very, very bizarre. It's insane. And have you done that with the songs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're called Icaros. These South American Icaros. I've only done it one experience. We tripped several times during the night because it's only like a 15-minute experience.

So we tripped like four or five times during the night to these songs. But they're incredible. These songs, you know, they're recorded live. As a guy who's been sober for 34 years, I'm listening to this like it's a vacation you took. I want to hear it.

That's so nice. I'm never going to go to Bora Bora. Colthwaite said to me last year, I've been sober for 33 years, I think I'm ready going to go to Bora Bora. Goldthwait said to me last year, I've been sober for 33 years. I think I'm ready to start dating. I think he was wrong. This is the songs. This is all recorded in the jungle while these people are just deep in the trance of the mother.

And this guy will sing. This is just him starting it off and whistling. There's a bunch of them. But they're beautiful. I listen to them sometimes when I'm driving in my car and I can almost trip. Because I remember this experience of being on them. Can I get copies of that? Yeah, I'll get you a copy of it for sure.

iTunes? I don't think it is i bet it's not oh man that's great i love that guy you should see it when these geometric patterns are dancing to that sound spinning around you in infinity it's very very bizarre but of course lsd was my other drug of choice the friends are my drug of choice but lsd sound spinning around you in infinity. It's very, very bizarre. LSD was my other drug of choice. Friends are my drug of choice. But LSD, back in the day, you know, let's do some more. I almost have something figured out.

You almost get to, you know, let's go in there one more time. And I also, and you know what? I never tell this story, but I'm thrilled to tell it to you. I was the rat-a-dare of LSD. You know, you know what a You know who Red Adair was? He was the guy who jumped, he parachuted in to put out oil derrick fires. I didn't know who that was. Have you heard that expression? Not Adair.

Red Adair was the guy. He parachuted in to put out oil fires? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he would lead a team, and they would go in and they would put out, yeah, look it up, Red Adair. I'm sure you can find it. Oil fires.

Yeah, like an oil well would blow up, and you'd go in and it's like, oh, the fuck is going to go in here and deal with it? When someone would be bumming out on acid, I would get the call. They're bumming out. And in those days, in the early 70s, if they bum out, then they could end up going to the doctor or hospital or whatever, and then suddenly they're blathering.

They'll turn in everybody, and nobody's doing anything. We just all got some acid. One person got the acid, but they weren't a drug dealer. They were just the obtainer of the acid. But that's who gave it to me, and that person could end up in fucking Attica or something. So I would get these calls from people like they're freaking out. I got this reputation for being good at helping people who are freaking out doing acid, and I would go in and go like, okay, what'd they do? They did these. do they did these how many they do they split one give me two I got to get in there quick

And I would get in there Have them laughing and well and like I would do stuff like get me a temple orange just get me one You know, I like I'd like to eat this Wow, isn't it? See it's okay. You're on a planet that these things grow from trees It's an amazing place put on an planet that these things grow from trees. It's an amazing place. Put on an album. What do you like? Come on.

There's an old Joni Mitchell. See those things? I know what's freaking you out. Those hieroglyphics you think are almost words, but you can't quite read them, and now you're getting frustrated. No, it's just a cool thing. It's like looking at a beautiful Egyptian crypt carving thing or something.

Obviously, you can't read Egyptian, but you kind of get the point they were making. Don't worry about it. It'll be in an hour later. We're all laughing. And the next morning we're at breakfast and it's cool. But that's when I was the red Adarabilis. Is freaking out on acid like freaking out on mushrooms? We're just trying to control it and you get scared of the experience where it's taking you and you try to resist.

I think it's probably maybe a little worse. And plus, I mean, there was shitty acid out there sometimes. Although then it wasn't that shitty. It's hard to make, right? You've got to get a bunch of stuff and they monitor that stuff. It's very difficult. To me, it was my favorite. If I can ever get a hold of it, I'll do it.

But Bob calls me in the movie a lifelong LSD enthusiast like I'm doing it all the time great credibility to Mike in this age of drug McCarthyism I'm fucking how many people they ruined just by the I'm sorry I made you look bad Sorry. Ah. Ah. Sorry. Touche.

Touche. There wasn't a lot of guys doing it in Boston. You were one of the primary acid enthusiasts. Well, but I was one of the, but I mean, by then it was hard to find, but I would do it once in a while. Because you were, from the 60s, it was a big deal. Yeah. It was around. I was at the University of Miami.

We literally had an oil drum full of yellow sunshine. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was unbelievable. How much is that? An oil drum? However many little... But you only need like a drop, right? Yeah, there was a lot of them.

I mean, we just kind of... Someone was in some sort of trouble, and they needed somewhere to put it, and then they disappeared, and we sort of inherited it, and it was like... I don't know how many... And then everybody just left with like baggies i don't know how everybody and then everybody just

left with like baggies but they weren't even baggies then but just like fill up your pockets go home does it break down does it only last for a certain amount of time well i had enough plenty of friends jesus christ plenty of friends you know there's things like grateful dead concerts where they needed a lot of help. So 10 years ago you decided, fuck it, I'm going back to where I grew up. Is that what the deal was? Basically. 15 years ago now.

I love the country. It really soothes me. And I finally just sort of noticed, cut myself a break, I've taken enough of a... I've been through enough shit and it just soothes me to be there with a dog. And I just love the terrain, and it's so verdant there. I mean, I don't live out here.

It's so great to come here, especially to see my friends like you two doing so great and having succeeded. It's a completely different thing to come to L.A. now than it was when I first came to L.A. And we were all trying to get our foot in the door. But it's really nice. It's serene. And it's a really nice place to sort of rake myself into a pile and my thoughts into a pile and then distribute them and reflect. And come, I want to have something to say, but, you know, be perfectly fine for being missing for a week or two at a time.

Well, there's not forced input up there. No. That's the beautiful thing about being anywhere where there's very few people. There's just less input. When people come to my house, like a car will drive by when they first get there. Six hours later, another car will drive by, and they go, I don't know where all this fucking traffic's coming from today. I'm just really sorry, man. Well, it's actually two dirt roads to get to his house must be fun and if you go past there's a there's a young gal with a giant

sow on a chain do you know what i'm talking about she's got a chain there's a woman walking her pig it was like it probably weighed like 500 pounds do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that pig was killed in a horrible accident. Car accident? Barry? Yeah, the car was basically total. Jesus Christ. We have a joke about how Barry can ruin anything. I saw a pig.

It's dead. Moving on. So when 2000 rolled around, I guess, you decided to just, once the internet started kicking in, you made a conscious choice to try to go somewhere that's a little bit more peaceful? Yeah, absolutely. And I heard you talk a little bit about, but have you thought about doing a podcast? I mean, you know, it just seems if anybody was right for it. Kaz and I are going to, Paul Kozlowski and I are going to do it, and it's going to be called Over to the Podcast, which is the upstate. The defeated town.

Does Paul live up there, too? Yeah, he just moved back. He just come back. Really? Jesus Christ. Yeah, I speak to an upstate tone for like 193 inches of snow last year. I just sat in my house and worked on my alcoholism until I could get the door open again. That's where I...

What does Paul do in these days? A lot of art people buy his art and and then we're you know we're trying to get the the podcast going but he's been pretty busy because he's been swamped with art orders after he pretty busy after he hit that pig performance piece total does you go well yeah man you could easily do a podcast up there and if you go. It was a performance piece. Well, yeah, man, you could easily do a podcast up there. And if you ever do, please do let me know, and I'd be happy to promote it. And I would listen to it every week.

Thank you, man. I listen to you all the time. And, I mean, you kill me. I mean, you just really, again, to have even helped rake the dirt that you grew out of is terrific. Thank you very much. That's an honor you certainly did you were you like I said you were the strongest part of that you know and you and I have had like some little Twitter conversations back and forth over the years about you know the community and what it's like now his Boston is making a little bit of a resurgence I keep hearing that and Rick Jenkins is trying to do something in that Chinese

restaurant just kind of ironic that it all started out at the Ding Ho. That it goes back. It's definitely there's some sort of connection between comedy and MSG. It's just, you can't deny it. But back in those days, the MSG would make you pay the comics.

I don't get it. Well, we paid it today. Oh, I get it. Oh, Rick doesn't pay people? No, I don't think he well we paid it today oh oh oh I get it oh Rick doesn't pay people well I don't know I don't think he makes enough money to I understand that but we really do

well they don't advertise right isn't that like part of his fun thing yeah well I doesn't let people know that there's a show going on it's like a poker game let him figure it out

yeah if you're invited it's okay but no he's done a great job he's been there longer than he's probably the longest job. He's been there longer than any. He's probably the longest-running comedy club in Boston history. We shot some of the movie there.

Yeah, I saw. The stuff with Barry now. Because, you know, I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to do that thing in documentaries where they have the triumphant return, because that always feels very cooked. But I just wanted to show that Barry was alive and still relevant, and that's always feels very cooked but i just wanted to show that barry was alive and still relevant and and that's why and and it ended up being great it was bradley stoneside for the dp who suggested it and ended up really good because barry ended up narrating

a good portion of the movie from the stage you know like when he says you know we went back we went to that basement where where i was raped as a kid. That was not something that was cooked. It was something that I was going to film the space where these things happened because I thought that would be powerful and I didn't want to do reenactments.

Yeah, neither did I. Jesus fucking Christ. I would have been testifying in front of another committee what the fuck oh my god so uh so so so when we got there thanks man barry and i well before we got there we had a big argument and he says look i'm going down there and because i would just kind of wanted him to put it in perspective but i didn't want to go down the basement and and Because I also was afraid you know I was worried before my friend. I've seen him going to shock I've seen it. I saw it coming on when we were even there. I know it came on

Yeah, I mean, but even before you got out of the car You know before you got out of the car, but I know how to operate in this state of shock That's how I did the child pornography investigation, and that's how I operate in this state of shock. That's how I did the child pornography investigation. And that's how, you know, they make their own worst enemies. The child pornography investigation was a huge part of that movie. And the fact that you, I mean, I think if it was going on today,

I think AOL would have gotten a lot more fucking trouble. Yeah, I think it would have been a much, much, much bigger story. But it was also. Well, let think it would have been a much, much, much bigger story, but it was also... Let's explain what happens to people at home. So, Barry discloses that he was raped as a kid on stage during a benefit for children,

basically. It was for the Southern Poverty Law Center, but it was speaking up about what happened in Los Angeles, and everyone was knocking. It was after Rodney King, and everyone was knocking these kids. I'm trying to get rid of this show. I'm not looking at it. So then—

And so at that point, I had just sort of put my whole life together, and I just wanted to say, you know, kids come from somewhere, man. These kids who ride, they come from somewhere. These guys come from a place where right up the street from their squalid condition are some of the richest people in the fucking world. And they see it, and they don't know what to do. And guess what? Oh, gee, they want some stuff. What a surprise. So I was speaking up for them, and it was this long rap. And then at the end of it, I said, yeah, everybody comes from somewhere.

I came from somewhere, and then I told my story. Yeah. And the end of it. I said the everybody comes from somewhere I come I came from so and then I told my story. Yeah, and then I talked about it He had planned on that. That's how the set was gonna go because Sweeney wanted to close and Barry's like I don't think you should close He insisted on it well, all right insisted on it. I went, well, alright. So Barry talks about how many con... I've never said follow that to anybody, but in so many words I did that night.

That show was over. What's that? You want more, Barry Crimmins? Let's go, let's go. That's a jackhammer in an ambulance. It's Mass Avenue. So when Barry was looking for other survivors, he became aware that AOL was allowing pedophiles to exchange child pornography openly in their chat rooms. Not just exchange it, but back then,

the more you used, the more you paid. So they were profiting. It wasn't like like today you can get online all day long you're making that point so it was a big deal so it's a lot of money millions million then so they're playing it dumb with me because one nut is bothering them and they just well thank you for your being a good citizen of the AL community but we have to balance in his as Bob noticed, our corporate growth along with First Amendment rights. I was like, what are you fucking kidding me?

These people are exchanging pictures of children being raped. There's no First Amendment right. I don't give a fuck about your corporate growth. Fuck you. Keep it up. And then right before they asked me to testify, or when I was already invited to testify two days before, the AOL contacts me and says, you know, would you like to get together and meet? They were going to come up with the bribe.

And I went, you know what, I'm going to see you Tuesday at the hearing or whatever day it was. So what do you think? I would have loved to meet with them or hear you meet with them just to see what their plan was. I wanted to talk to that guy now, but he wouldn't be in the movie, the attorney for AOL. What's he up to now? Why would he? What's he up to now? Sucking Satan's dick somewhere.

He's busy. Okay, listen. He's not an attorney anymore. Well, maybe stop sucking Satan's dick. He's running Paramount. No. You guys keep talking. I'm going to the man's room.

Please. So, yeah. So, Barry, after Barry testified, he wrote an article in the Boston Phoenix that I thought, and this was in 95, and I thought it read like a Frank Capra movie. You know, this, you know, we should, I'll fill in more of the holes of the story. Who's Frank Capra? Oh, Frank Capra. It's a Wonderful Life. Oh, okay. Mr. Deeds, all those kind of, you know, we should, I'll fill in more of the holes of the story. Who's Frank Capper? Oh, Frank Capper, It's a Wonderful Life, Mr. Deeds, all those kind of, you know. So, so he, so Barry, basically he didn't even pose as kids.

He just signed on as kids. And that's all it took. And he got all this evidence against these guys. And he basically embarrassed AOL on the floor of the Senate. But he, he pretended to be a child be a child to lure these child guys. Yeah, but it wasn't even that much of a bait. It was pretty easy. Yeah, he just said, hey, we're two kids and we're on and our parents don't because he played as if he was a girl and a boy.

And it just came pouring in. It wasn't like he was entrapping these guys they were just pouring in and he spent you know almost a year you know and downloading all these things he gave it over it's 100 pounds yeah it's not in the movie but he because uh he had given the evidence over to the feds and the reason it's not in the movie is that there was arrests that were made directly because of the stuff that barry had handed over but the feds weren't interested in being in the movie i think because barry kind of did their job for him and you know and and and um so so uh where is he oh so he he begged me to make the movie no so this reads like a

Frank Capra movie and I asked Barry to write a screenplay but this is right when you just said he had lost 100 pounds and I was like going Barry this article you wrote for the Phoenix is tremendous I think it's a picture you know and we can make money yeah by the way you have no idea how to write a screenplay and so Barry, what was your motivation? When you knew that they were trading pornography. Child pornography. Child pornography.

Excuse me. I don't care about it. You decided the way to catch them or the way to gather evidence on them was to pose as a child. Well, no. What I did was I needed a reason to be in the room. Okay? If I was in the room okay if i was in the room as an adult right they would think it was suspicious that if i wasn't sending child

pornography back to them so i needed to be a child right so that then they're going like look at the fun you could have that's what they're literally doing and approaching me with you know doug stanow wrote a whole book about it about baiting he used to do it all the time. Like back in the old days, he used to call it baiting, and he used to publish it on his website, baiting child porn people, baiting pedophiles. I got to meet Doug. I've never met him. He's the best.

I hope that you meet him. I'd love to fuck on that dude. Maybe you could. Fuck yeah. I'll fly him in. You tell me where you're going to be. Let's do it. Okay, great, great.

It's a crazy thing that when you were doing this It's sort of analogous to how people got away with pedophilia and how they got away with child molesting back in the day Because it was something that was almost it was it was just pushed aside Taboo in the favor of the perpetrator. Yeah, that's why we have to break silence That's why we have to be silence. That's why we have to be kind of specific about different things. People say to me, wow, you admitted you were raped. I didn't fucking admit anything. I was

raped. Guilty people rape. I didn't admit anything. It's like, you admitted they robbed your home. You admitted you were held up at gunpoint. Well, I disclosed. I chose to disclose not everyone sort of has the wherewithal to do that or the makeup to do that but fortunately i

did so i disclosed but i didn't admit anything and they tell you the deep dark secret he had no i dealt with it when i could and i and i talked about it when i could in a fashion that i tried to make as accessible as possible to other people. So people would know, like, look at this guy. This guy is sensible. This guy's got something to say. This guy seems to be lucid. And now he's saying this. But it took a toll on him.

Yeah. And so it was a hard time for me because, you know, he was buried and I saw how ill he got and I was making Police Academy 4. It was really taken away from my time on the set. So you lost 100 pounds while you were doing this? Well, I also became a vegetarian and stuff then, so there's a variety. People draw whatever conclusions, and there's some stuff in the movie. I mean, I just hooked people up to be in the movie.

And then I didn't say, hey, remember to say this or remember. I just backed off. And I didn't loom while Bob was making the movie. I thought it was enough of a task. So I tried. The one thing I could do is I just kept saying to people, it's Bob's. It's about my life. It's Bob's movie.

And Bob's movie about my life is something I'm very, I put my money on the right, you know, the right spot on the table. You know, so, and I knew that coming in. I knew he would on the right spot on the table. And I knew that coming in. I knew he would do me right. But there's parts in the movie that my daughter has a problem with because the one is the basement because it looks like I asked him to or kind of manipulated him. We had a fight about that. Yeah, it went the other way.

The fight was I'm going down there. You go through a problem, not around it. You can film this or not. I'm going down there. Your daughter had a fight about that. Yeah, I went the other way. The fight was, I'm going down there. You go through a problem, not around it. You can film this or not. I'm going down there. You don't have a problem with that. Because she didn't like me looking like a manipulative guy. And she didn't like the scene with your sister. Who, again, and my sister, I don't tell anybody.

I just said, Bob's making a movie about my life. And at one point in the movie, she says, Well, you know, I knew you were going to interview me, but I didn't know there'd be cameras here. It's a fucking movie, Mary Jo. But she's my sister and she literally saved my life. I mean, I very well may have saved my life. It was close because the degree of violence and just the physicality of things and whatever. She's so important to the movie because people want to discredit

victims of abuse and to have a witness. And that's about as much time as we should give those people. Yeah, but I just wanted to show them that we're ironclad. Oh yeah, absolutely. That's why it was key. I mean, she did me a big solid, not just you. So

Barry went into... Well, the original big salad is what I'm talking. Yeah You know when she walked in if she hadn't Who knows maybe that day maybe if that guy wasn't stopped that maybe I was It's so evil too because the the girl that was involved as well the girl that the baby said that the year that Lured you in and brought the guy over and then the girl was trying to stop your sister from getting away. I mean, it was her or us. My fucking heart was pounding when I was watching that. My hands were sweating.

It's just so, and your sister's crying. It's like, whoa. Yeah. Whoa. And then cut to, good evening. And there's a very bright young comic from upstate New York. Well, that's like when Barry was in the basement,

you know, and to me, what he says there is very, you know, it proves that he's not living in it, that he's bringing the message back to the tribe, you know, very Joseph Campbell kind of stuff, you know, that's the, you know, the end, it's a great fourth act. And so he says, he says to me he goes i i totally blacked out i don't know what i said is any of it thinking

about the movie which is very sweet because it was any of that usable and i said i don't know i'm playing yakety sax the whole time you're down in that basement basement he goes yeah you can animate it so but you know people get weirded out by that but how else how what's the two guys that generally love each other we had to make plenty we had to keep making plenty of jokes as I went along to go through some of the yeah of course some of the you know jokes that only he can make and then I can get away with a little bit because I'm close to him. I fully licensed Bob to use my jokes. But in any case, you know, I'm glad I went into that basement for a few reasons. Number one was because other kids go in that basement.

I didn't want to imply that it was imbued with some sort of supernatural power because this rapist had been there. You know what? It turns out rapists cannot imbue stone walls with their evil. It's just something that happened within those stone walls. And I went down and said, hopefully there's a good spirit to say, any kid who's ever been in here or any kid who will ever be in here, I hope you have fun and you play with your friends and everything's okay and no one else ever gets hurt here ever and that was really important to me and the other thing was like kind of as silly as it sounds it's sort of crunchy granola as it sounds in a way well i mean i had i hadn't thought about that

place for so long i wasn't going to walk up to the door and give it the kind of power that i couldn't walk in there i had every right to walk in there, and so I did. And in a way, I walked in there, and I collected myself as a small child, and we all walked back up the stairs. And they did a beautiful thing in the movie where they talk about, I'm walking up the stairs, and then this U.S. I mean, this county prosecutor from Cuyahoga County in Ohio says, you know, like, we've arrested over a thousand people for trading child pornography in Cuyahoga County. And a lot of what he did is the basis of what's being done nationally about this heinous crime.

So it's, you know, I mean, it's a fucking beautiful bow on like a ridiculous package. And I'm, and man, did we name the movie the right thing? You know, I'm so fortunate. What year was this that you were doing this with the AOL? 95. 95. So this was the beginning of the internet. Yeah.

Yeah. And like in the movie where the senators so proudly talk about how illiterate they are with computers yeah yeah yeah i don't know who they're trying to appeal to there yeah is that supposed to make them folksy or something yeah no yeah it's it's just incredible that 20 years ago it was that easy to trade child pornography that it was just they were fearless about it they and they actually they would attack someone who challenged them rather than like someone coming in and going like holy shit someone sees what we're doing the scatter you know at least that would happen now at least at least

they know they're in a little some sort of danger back then it was like well this is a natural progression of thing and and plus i'm just reading these guys. And, you know, I will read what my enemy writes. So, like, I studied NAMBLA and what they have to say. And these fucking people, if you're not familiar with NAMBLA, watch the movie Powder. It basically puts the entire philosophy of NAMBLA into a film that Disney paid for that was directed by a convicted child molester Really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. The boy had all the power and he looks like Michael Jackson I thought Powder was about a magic kid or something A magic kid has this power It's a fucking

It's a NAMBLA movie of the millennium Yeah, the movie I think A magic kid has this power. Yeah. But the director directed a movie called Clown House. It's a NAMBA movie of the millennium. Yeah, the movie, I think, Clown House. And he was caught actively abusing children. A child actor. He was caught and went to jail for it. And then Disney makes a fucking film with this guy. Afterwards?

Yes. What year was the film made? Mid-90s. To the internet. This is Sean Patrick Flannery, right? 95 is when it came out. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Wow. Yeah. So fuck that guy. Fuck him. I know about him. I know what his fucking movie's about. It's the fucking Nambla philosophy put into a movie.

Like, this kid has power over everyone. Everything's the kid's choice. Fuck you everyone. Everything's the kid's choice. Fuck you. Everything isn't the kid's choice. You're a lying fucking sack of shit, creep, fucking child rapist that Disney hired. And when you look at Disney and they let that guy direct a movie, just consider who might be behind the fucking goofy mask at their theme park. Thank you.

Wow. That is crazy. This is the guy? That's right. Victor Salva. Thank you. Wow. That is crazy. This is the guy? That's right. Victor Salva. Look at that mustache. Fucking relentless sex. Yeah. I actually am friends with the number one goofy. I don't know who got him in that right corner picture, but I like it. American film director best known for directing

films Powder and Jeepers Creepers. Jeepers Creepers. That was that horror movie? Yeah. That was a good movie. Fuck. Detracted controversy over being a convicted sex... Where is he now? I don't know, but he better not be too close to me.

How is that... He's directing the Full House reunion. Fuller. Really Fuller. Fuller House. I don't know. Oh, my God. That's insane.

Yeah, so there you go. Hey, Victor, a little press for you today. Vic. Victor. Vic, you fucking you go. Hey, Victor, a little press for you today. Vic. Victor. Vic, you fucking NAMBLA fucking proponent. Fuck you, piece of shit. And fuck Disney.

I did. I did sex offender. Yeah. So when he directed that movie, he was only like 37. He was only 37, convicted sex offender. Wow. What else did he direct? He directed Children.

Look at that. Hold on. Look at that Vice piece. He loves terrorizing semi-naked youths. What? This is from 2012? What is this? Oh, my God.

Jesus, Larry and Joseph. Oh, my God. Jesus, Larry and Joseph. Oh, my God. When people think of a paddler or sexually deviant film director, they are likely to imagine Roman Plants gave him sex with a 13-year-old or Woody Allen marrying his adopted daughter. But those stories are a bit tired and clichéd now. So for those of you with a thirst for horrible stories about film men

abusing their power, we present mid-budget journeyman director Victor Salva. Journeyman? He's not a boxer. Yeah. What does that mean, mid-budget journeyman director Victor Salvo. Journeyman? He's not a boxer. Yeah. What does that mean? Mid-budget journeyman? What a weird distinction. I know.

Just director. In 1989, Salvo was jailed after molesting. I would prefer if you called me journeyman. Okay, from now on I'm calling you journeyman. Journeyman and Bobcat. Clapton should sue these guys. Clownhouse. So he was jailed after molesting a 12 year old star

and you know what don't so don't rent his movie don't pay for his next defense and by the way the gary glitter shit they play in every in every ballpark that that's his fucking defense one and i won't finish it but hey you know that song He makes money on that every time a ball game's going on. The plot's victims of Clown House are three prepubescent brothers led by the debutante Sam Rockwell who spent their time running hysterically around the enormous suburban house.

Funny how he has three prepubescent kids in that film, too. What the fuck? What a piece of shit. I can't even look at this. How's this guy not in jail? I thought when you go to jail for something like that, you go to jail for a long time now. Nah, you'd be surprised. Well, I'm surprised right now.

Then he came out in Disney and let them make a goddamn movie that was the Nambla movie. It's like the Nambla Film Festival outside of God knows what they would show. So what is Nambla's philosophy? Basically, it's philosophy that's basically it's the kids choice that's their run yeah yeah that's their it's the kids oh my god kid lead the kids make all the decisions you know i used to think that nambla was something that they joked around about like i thought it was a you didn't think it was a real thing no i mean i used to

hear howard stern talk about it and yeah no nBLA's real, and it's not a joke. But the thing is, it's like the Communist Party. Nowadays, if you go to a meeting, you know, it's like 80% FBI agents, so enjoy yourself, NAMBLA guys. Remember the hilarious thing when they had a NAMBLA meeting at the San Francisco library, and a film crew came in, everybody walked out like crouching. They're all like walking like Groucho Marx.

No, I didn't see it. Yeah, they were like, they wouldn't stand up. Ah, you know, I bet we could find it. Nambla, San Francisco library. You know, it's hilarious. I just thought for sure

if something like that happens, you go to jail for 100 years. I mean, I don't understand how this guy could have been out at four. I mean, that means at 37. So if he was convicted and then he was out at 37, he couldn't possibly have done more than, you know, 17, 19 years. Right. If he was 18. Well, he didn't do anything close to that.

And then he did a little bit. He did a little bit. And then when they made the movie though here's the thing he wasn't directing that film at 17 18 you know i mean he wasn't i mean he he only did it a bit of time motherfucker you know the movie that green lit that's the other thing that's weird they knew his past and then they green lit that movie he was released on parole in 92 15 months into his sentence whoa yeah he laid low for a while planning his next move what the fuck does that mean i don't know oh my god i mean the register sex owner who'd recently been driven out because i was hired to make a film for disney selva's disney film film was the story of potter a freakishly intelligent

albino boy with telepathic and telekinetic powers Disney film was the straight powder of a freakishly intelligent albino boy with telepathic and telekinetic powers. The film was marketed as a modern day fairy tale which starred such household names as Jeff Goldblum

and was at the time decreed to be a sleeper hit after it grossed $30 million worldwide outstripping its modest $10 million budget. Yeah, all I remembered was that,

oh my God, you touched me and I've had better, what does that say? Jeff Goldman comes across powder in an empty cafeteria and says to him, you touched me and I've had better sex than I've had in 10 years.

I want to be a friend. Right, that's not creepy. And this thing got good reviews. You touched me and I had better sex. Oh man, we hit on that. That's what I love. I was looking forward to doing this because I know we would hit some stripe, you know, some vein

that you would completely dig, man, and you get it. See, this is my work. This is what I'm fucking up. What the fuck? Yeah. He takes Powder's hand as his hair,

supposedly due to an electric current, begins to stand on end. So the idea is that he's holding him and the power of this child makes his hair stand up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a fucking pedophile movie. And Goldblum then touches and caresses Powder's face and bald head for around 20 seconds.

What the fuck is wrong with Jeff Goldblum? I don't know, Jeff. What is wrong with you? The fuck? I don't care. I don't need to meet movie stars. Fucking, you know, come on. I'm glad you're on the fucking rent.com whore ads now. Apartment. I'm glad it's falling apart. Well, I'm not.

Good luck to you. But what the fuck? He was really good in Jurassic Park. Oh, I didn't see that. I missed that. Can you imagine? I didn't happen to see that. He said he really liked Call Me Lucky.

Did he? Yeah. Not really. No, you're kidding. Yeah. He's kidding. are you kidding yeah he's kidding you kidding totally kidding i know i know and i'm sorry i mean you know maybe he wasn't thinking that much maybe the movie was made incrementally and whatever so i'll give him a break but disney should have fucking done disney's whole business is based on kids right so this is what the big kid studio the fucking theme park people they put this piece of shit out and it's still sort of like honored is this critically acclaimed thing and i i'm no

guy who can put critics figure out shit that i'm not smart enough or i don't care enough to figure out they can follow avant-garde you know so i don't know what the fuck they're talking about but this movie i know the message better than anybody. I know what it's about and I know who they're appealing to and they're putting their fucking horse shit in our face and asking us to like it. Well, you know what? I don't like it, Disney. I don't like it, Salva.

Go fuck yourself. I vaguely recollect that this was an issue that someone had brought up to me before, but I never investigated it or maybe it was in conversation at the Comedy Store or something Like that and I never looked into it, but god damn it. This is fucking crazy There's fucking jelly in this beer What do you mean? What's blackberry?

This is gonna die don't drink it fucking Knott's Berry Park. Can I see what it says? What is it? What the fuck is it? Taste it. No, I don't think so. Okay. All right. He's moving on. These Nuevos are really good.

I got to try a Nuevo. These are great. It's from New Mexico. Local beer. All right. So thank you, man. That's a great thing about doing your show. And I've listened to you go off on these rips for so long.

I've got to watch it at no o'clock in the morning because my – Don Gavin. But I've got to watch it at no o'clock. Cut the shit, big guy. Yeah. Cut the shit. I've got to watch it at no o'clock in the morning because I'm on a dish, and it uses up too much bandwidth to keep watching. But if I'm up at no o'clock in the morning, I'm checking out what you've been doing,

and you fucking kill me, man. It's great. And that's why I was so... I mean, I didn't approach one... I don't think... I might have approached a couple, but very few people I approached said, can we come on and do your show? You're one of the only ones,

man. And I'm so glad. And you're the last one we're doing. This is it. I'm done thank you very much this is an honor for me I knew I could trust you for me arriving as test pattern boy at the end of fucking a hundred interviews like well let's go back and now what would you like to call it a rape Barry deal is that what you is it a sexual assault or rape is that right is it all right can we go I'm gonna go ahead and use that word rape you know right one thing that

really sort of kind of defines you and how how you approach things very good beer it's very good right yes nuevo um that you you you said that if that guy was alive that you would want to show him that he didn't he didn't break you that's right i will you know i would show him that my personal revenge would be to behave decently towards him and even advocate for him to be in a situation confined and segregated from any possibility of being near children where he was treated in a humane fashion. And if and if he weren't, I would tell him he could tell me and I would do something about it because I did not. I became a human rights activist and not a rapist not a not not a human rights offender and and so you didn't win you the light that was extinguished in you was never extinguished in me it survived and I'm so fortunate that it did I would have probably said that and then killed him for sure I just I stopped spiders I'm not a big fan of poisonous things.

Yeah, well, I understand. I understand that I didn't experience what you experienced, and you have obviously... I couldn't be consumed by it. Of course. Well, you're a very strong person to go that path and to go that route, and that's indicative of who you became. And that's one of the reasons, I think, ironically, like why you became such a strong leader and this powerful person is because you overcame something un-fucking-bearably traumatic very early in your life. And you developed this intense sense of right and wrong. I think this is a great time to tell people they should follow me on Twitter. At Crimmins, C-R-I-M-M-I-N-S.

Let's see the record we can send for followers right now at this moment. At Crimmins on Twitter. He was talking about me, Barry. Oh, man. No, I was telling you. So I see it's the moment. This has been the weirdest, hardest

movie to promote. More than the Bigfoot movie? Because Bigfoot, it's scary and it was fun. Oh, I gotta, here, you guys talk. I gotta show Joe a picture that I think he's gonna dig. Oh, is it the lizard guy that lives in... No, no, it's the fact that... It's the fact that...

Hey, hello, all of Joe Rogan's followers, all you crazy, goddamn... What would you describe your politics? I'd try not to. Okay, good. I think it's wise. I'm trying not to define it. Oh, shoot, I can't get on the interweb.

My politics are wait for the aliens to land. My politics are never trust anyone who wants to be in charge. That's perfect. Yeah. Anybody who wants to be president shouldn't be president. It's fucked. I have an idea that people, it should be like jury duty. Absolutely.

Yeah. Absolutely. And then, you know, hey, I'm going to go try to do us proud for a week. I mean, like, I ran the ding-ho and did that shit. I could have parlayed that into something, but I just knew we needed something. I didn't want to be fucking in charge. Fuck that. I want to do my shit.

I think it should be by height. And I don't want anyone to have to approve of it. By height. Yeah, there you go. By height. How did the ding-ho, well,. By height. How did the ding... Well, I'm out. How did the ding ho wind up closing?

Chun-Li lost the tax money in a Mahjong game. For real? I sold out four shows on Saturday night. I went over to pick up my notebook on Monday. There's fucking plywood on the door. And the ultimate ding ho not here. Because the joke is, I used to call the club. I'd be out on the road, and I would fucking plywood on the door. And the ultimate ding-ho not here. Because the joke is I used to call the club. I'd be out

on the road and I would call in on Saturday and this old guy Henry's like an 82 year old Chinese guy who took the takeout orders on the phone. And I would call up and I would say, hey Henry, it's Barry. Barry not here. And hang up. And this is back in the day. You gotta get another $2.85

and change. Henry! You know? I want to order! Shun Lee on the phone. You know, like I would have to figure some way to break through his belly. Not here. So it turned into my friend, the late, great John Brown. You know, the man who wants... The man who wants...

Ah, you fuck. The man who wants puked in a wishing well. The Patterson Kremlin photo? Yeah, it's Barry. How about the one with you? The Patterson Kremlin footage. How about yours? I was watching the movie editing, and I was like, holy crap.

That's the holy crap for me. Well, there's a lot of Bigfoot sightings in upstate New York. Well, that's my thing. I just do movies about hairy, mysterious men that live out in the woods. I was on at some point, but it doesn't matter because Bob had to mock. You were talking about

calling up the ding-ho and then you had to trick him. Oh, yeah. So it became ding-ho, not hero. I don't remember the rest of it. It was anyway. Yeah, still, it wasn't enough of a prompt.

It's gone. I have a compartmentalized memory. I've had a lot, and plus, I've had a lot of concussions because I played a little ball in my day. Oh, man. Back in the day when spearing was, you know, legal. Yeah, and widely practiced. Yeah, man.

Did you enjoy Fran Salamita's documentary? Sure. Fran was a big help in our movie. He gave us footage that wasn't used in that, so that was a big help. It was the He gave us footage that wasn't used in that, so that was a big help. It was the first real chance for me to go on record about a lot of stuff. And then some of that was stuff Bob ended up using in our film. So, yeah, I enjoyed it a lot.

You are in this position now with this film coming out to help a lot of people. I think this film is not just going to, you know, tell your story and, you know, open up a lot of people's eyes as to the AOL situation. But I think a lot of people, you know, you're such a powerful guy. I'm hearing from them, Joe. I'm sure you are. And, you know, they know how to find me or they will you know find me and i'll do what i can um some i give everybody as much of a chance as i can um there's a lot of what's sold to abuse survivors that i think is horse shit and that's basically

they get quote unquote empowered and i hate that word because it takes the strength out of the word power what's what sounds more you know like more like power power or empowered empowered is like sandy making aware birkenstocks or something you know so so i'm not that big on empowered but but they like i did uh my friend sam cedar's uh podcast a couple weeks back and and he said i don't want to give away what the movie is. I said, listen, man, it's not that kind of movie, and it hinges largely on the fact that I survived rapes as a child. Well, I heard from several people who said, you know, you really should have had a trigger warning on there. And it's like, what the fuck do you think I was doing?

What the fuck do you think I was doing when I said it hinges largely? I was warning you that what it was about right there, but someone has empowered you to have a way to take issue with me because I'm not completely basing... You know, the whole world isn't baser on me. Even though I got raped when I was

four years old, everybody shouldn't be thinking in terms of that all the time because they've been through their own shit and they're dealing with their own shit and they're trying to survive. So if I can make them more sensitive to this issue, if I can show them that it matters to them, that they deal with other people who've been through this kind of trauma and we want to reduce it as much as absolutely possible, that's good. But after that, if I'm going to find a way to set up a situation where I'm always the injured party and I prove again and again that I'm persecuted and no one's thinking in terms of me, then I'm never going to get fucking healed. I'm never going to get fucking healed.

So what I did was I went out and I tried to help other people. And when I help other people, I realize how far along I've come. And I realize there's really something in it for me to do that. And it's not like I'm this altruistic guy. It's like I'm saving my own life. You know, like that AOL investigation that took such courage to do it. No, what would have taken courage was turning my back on those kids and walking away going, oh, I don't want to know what's going on in there.

How would I live with that guy? How would I live with myself then? But, you know, it's nice everyone said, oh, gee, what he went through when he was doing that investigation. What about the kids in the fucking pictures? That's what I want everyone to know about. Thanks for caring about me, but it's the kids in the pictures

I give a shit about. It's the kids that are suffering right now. Somewhere within the sound of my voice, someone, you know, I mean, in this broadcast like where this is on someone in the next apartment or wherever some kid is going through this shit have the courage to know about it that's all i ask you have the courage to know about it and save the contemporary children so you don't have to deal with a bunch of fucking maniac abuse survivors when you go. That's all.

And if anybody can diffuse the term. James Brown's cape guy is coming in now. If anybody can diffuse the term trigger warning, you're the fucking guy. Well, thanks. Jesus goddamn Christ, stop. We're going to develop a nation of permanent children. Like, if anybody can tell their story and doesn't need a fucking trigger warning, it's you.

This idea, I don't need trigger warnings. If you're going to show me something, show me something. And if I don't want to see it, let me know what it is before you show me. Tell me what the... We all knew what the documentary was about. No need a goddamn trigger. This fucking term is disgusting. It's a disgusting term.

It does damage. It just sets people up to stay in the pit, you know, to wallow. It's empowering them to wallow. Like, well, I've got to hurt it again because the whole society. It's like, sorry about that shit, man. But I'm telling you what. I know you're in a pit of your own shit. I know you're used to the temperature. And the smell of it doesn't, you're used to that.

And it doesn't bother you that much anymore. But when you stand up and they fucking hose you off and then you go in the house and take a real shower and put on some clean clothes you're not gonna believe how much better you feel so stop letting other people tell you that you have to expect the world to do the impossible and let's be like telepathic about what the fuck you've been through get to the point where you can stand up and tell them the story yourself when it's appropriate. And don't put up with anybody who is truly being insensitive

or snickering about any of this shit. Fuck people who tell me. People walk up to me all the time and tell me, well, the good thing is those guys get arrested and bubble ticket. It's like, you're endorsing rape to me? You're fucking endorsing rape to me, motherfucker? I don't want anyone raped ever. Not even rapists.

Rape is illegal. How about making jails lawful places? How about that for an idea? How about someone going to jail and realizing the law protects me sometime? I'm not going to be raped. I'm not going to be menaced here. I'm going to, and maybe they will start thinking about getting reformed. But Jesus Christ, don't joke to me about rape.

Don't tell me you want them all killed and sweep them under that rug, because I was born without blood on my hands. I don't want any fucking blood on my hands now, man. So don't guess these stupid ass fucking lightweight things and presume I'm going to sign off on them, because I don't ever want anyone else

ever raped, and if it happens, even if it's of a rapist, I'm opposed to it. And I don't ever want anyone else ever raped. And if it happens, even if it's of a rapist, I'm opposed to it. And I don't want them fucking killed either. I want them to live with what they did. Now, this is a difficult thought and this is a difficult subject. But did you, after this was all said and done, horrendous moment in your life. Many moments in your life. Did you try to figure out what would create a person like the guy who did that to you? Yeah.

Did you try? I did. How much time? Yeah. And I can tell you what created him. He was taken out of an abusive home. He was put into foster care and abused many more times. And he was gone.

And he was gone. And he was gone. he was gone and he was gone and he was succumbed by the agony i was put through by him i survived somehow i made it so call me lucky i'm not i didn't become him i didn't become what i resisted i didn't i didn't pass along the poison maybe i did in some ways when i was difficult or whatever, but mostly I didn't. Mostly when I'm mad, I'm mad because it's like Hendrix, a cry of love. It's a cry of love that I make. It's a cry of love. My act has been a cry of love.

It's like I don't want the innocent hurt anymore. I don't want people victimized because of greed and cowardice and bullshit. I don't want that and so i i do what i can to stand up to it did were there moments where you wanted to talk to him where you wanted i would love to talk to him i would love to talk to him to show him that i didn't become a monster like he was i would i would have i would have almost become an advocate for him in the sense that like well maybe let me know if they're mistreating you in here but he died in prison no one claimed his body and i don't know where his grave is if i knew where his grave is i go put fucking flowers on it not for him for me the idea that someone could do

that after someone did that to them seems insanely counterintuitive it's like if someone it's the only thing that saves you but really saves you really is redemptive and really saves you, to me. It's one of the things that you covered in the film that I thought was really a very powerful moment where you talked about this thing that you didn't become him, that you maybe, if your sister didn't come down there and catch... I could have been dead. You could have been dead. It was close, man. It was close. Also, that you could have been one of them.

You could have been someone who repeated that. And that would have been worse than death. Yeah. I would rather be a victim a thousand times than the perpetrator once, and that's not any bullshit. Did you contemplate the mechanism? Have you tried to understand the mechanism that turns an abused person into an abuser?

What is that? I don't think I'm as nuts and bolts as you are because I listen to you and I know what detail you go into. So I understand how and what you're asking. But there's enough of me that's been through enough that I can't be quite as thorough as you're asking me to be to answer that. I get as close as I can and be quite as thorough as you're asking me to be to answer that. I get as close as I can and I understand what happened. But then after that point, I'm not one of them and I can't go far enough to say, well, then of course, if you get past this point right here, then obviously this is the, I can't do that. It it's that that is what is too much for me

well you know one of the reasons i i was interested in making the movie was when when barry you know told me that the guy had died in prison and i said how'd that make you feel and he said it made me sad and i said because you didn't get any closure you know you didn't get to confront him and he said no he died alone and I was really blown away by that and I thought I should really make a movie about this I thought well this is like you know this is Jesus stuff you know that's what this is yeah and so so you know that was what that really did motivate me to make the movie you know that's what this is yeah and limping on the water so so you know that was what that really did motivate me to make the movie you know and so the movie was going to be a narrative with someone else playing barry and i thought about that for years he tried to establish script i tried and it wasn't until you know robin williams was my, and he suggested I make it as a doc.

This was just February 2014. And I said, I don't have any money. He says, I'll give you some money. You can start it. Because he was a fan of Barry's, and he knew Barry's story. So that's really how the movie came together. It came together really fast. I didn't realize how long it takes to make a doc.

Because when I was at Sundance, other directors are going, yeah yeah we started seven years ago seriously i started four years ago and i was like i started february and they didn't go hey all right they're like oh it's okay you know well good luck with that bob scratch how difficult was it to even attempt to tell this story for you as a person who loves this guy? And as we know, he's out of the room right now. He was so instrumental. He was the foundation of that whole community, which I think is so important to you and me. And helped mold me, you know, because I met him when I was 16. Right.

because I met him when I was 16. Right. So it's, you know, making a movie that's not a work of fiction with someone you love that you want them to like when it's done and you want people to like the movie and him for the same reason you like him, it was hard. It wasn't, you know, like people will talk about making a movie and they'll say that was hard. No matter what, I never think, you know,

but seeing that these are real people, I don't want to embarrass anyone. I don't want to, I don't want to, no, I don't want to. No, I know you don't. And I was thinking about how hard I made your work. Because it's like, there's footage, you know, what the fuck am I going to do about that? It's embarrassing.

Before this film came out, was there a time where you were trying to figure out how to tell your story? No, I mean, I felt like I had told it a lot, and I felt like the trail was there, and people could find it. This is like the dream that gets told this way. But I didn't expect it.

I didn't presume it. And I was completely honored and flattered that it was done. And then it was done so well. But, you know, I mean, like part of me doesn't give a fuck about my story. I mean, I just like I like I've learned as I grow up, I've learned not to take life personally. You know, I'm just part of it. And so i don't expect it to stop for me and do but it has in this sense because bob stopped it and got the footage and sequenced it put it together and thought these brilliant ways to approach it and and then made this beautiful picture i mean really i should say it wasn't about me if it weren't about me i mean i would i would be out crusading to get people to watch this. It just seems immodest at this point, you know, because it's about me. He made such a tremendous movie.

I mean, like, you know. Well, there's a lot of folks. I mean, Jeff Stryker, the editor. Well, of course. But they're your people that you put together, you know. Bradley Stonecipher, who I got to see while I'm in town, by the way. Is he around? I don't know. We should figure that out.

How do you follow this? We're doing a sequel. Yeah, call me greedy. I'm going to, you know, I got a book coming. What's the book about? A lot of essays. And then a lot of quips. It's sort of dedicated to generation text.

You know, the people there are like... I mean, I'm trying to hang in there, but it's like I read this shit. I'm like, P-T-G-O-T-R-S-H-U. Half hour later, I'm going like, putting on other shoe? What the fuck? You've got time to tell me you're

putting on your other shoe but you've got a but you're in such a hurry you've got to abbreviate it so i can't figure out what the fuck you say so and then i have to be calm enough to try to convey this okay kids smh is my least favorite what is shake my head oh fucking gross yeah no i and the whole and and the whole emoji thing. I'm a grown man. It's like, come on. I make smiley faces. I'm so sorry.

I never do. I do to get him. I do to wind him up. They all send them to me. The whole crew. Smiley face emoticon. Yeah, I sent one to my friend Paul, and he's like, did you fucking send me a smiley face? Sorry, dude.

I actually text with enough women that I put smiley face emoticon on it. I don't have any emojis, but I do look at dot, dot, smiley. Every time I upgrade my phone, they put like a million more of these things on there, and then I hit it by mistake. Barry just sent me a Christmas tree that's puking. I don't know if he's happy or mad. It's a drunk Christmas tree. I don't think he meant that.

We're regressing. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he meant it. We're like, we're regressing. Yeah, yeah. Communicating with hieroglyphs. It's 100%. 100%. I got a deer with an arrow in its face. And a gun pointed at its head. What the fuck does that mean? It's a very depressed deer. Guys wearing skins. Yeah, suicidal

emojis. Like, how are guns in emojis? Yeah, they are. Why are so many people communicating with guns? We need the ones we need, you know? The fart. The pile of dog shit, that's another one. Glad you're there. Hey, can I do my Hercules thing on you? Can people

see it? What's your Hercules? Throw me this telephone, Boulder. Who is the fool now? I ask you, Joe Rogan. What is that? That's my old Hercules movie bit. Oh, is it like synchronized? No ask you, Joe Rogan. What is that? That's my old Hercules movie bit. Oh, is it like synchronized? Everybody did it. Yeah, but everybody, no one, they all do it now.

But I was in it first, I ask you. I don't, that's, I'm bombing. It's more like Kung Fu movie stuff. Well, no, that was later. Oh, it was later. I mean, this is pre that. It was Hercules movies. Ah-ah.

Throw me this stuff, Humboldt. Who is the fool now? Testicles. I will get you sooner or later, my friend. You will come around, and you will understand the point of this joke. Well, on audio, the vast majority of our listeners are just that. Maybe have like less than 10% probably watch this. Perfect.

It's better. I love shit that doesn't work. When you're on Upstate, when you're like, you go out and you do He's had too many beers. He's had four beers. Three is good. Four is too many. When you're on Upstate and you go out and you do... He's had too many beers. He's had four beers. Three is good. Four is too many.

When you're in upstate and you go out, you're doing these gigs. Are you performing on a regular basis? No, but I will be. I mean, regular basis is something. Because that was part of the film. Someone was like, I don't know how he makes money. Someone was asking. Steve Sweeney sends you in?

I'm about to. I'm about to. I have a great new speakers bureau called Kepler Speakers in New York. If you want me to come talk to you, I will for a fee. And I'm going out and doing a bunch of shows and getting ready. And I would like to, you know, I think there might be like kind of a valedictory performance. And then I might be kind of done. You know, maybe just find a little spot, a little lady, settle down in the country,

and relax. Do you have a desire to do stand-up again? Or is stand-up sort of too limited? No, no, no. I'm happy to do stand-up. I did it last night at the Belly Room at the Comedy Store. It was fun.

And they were like, wow, you're allowed to do that? Yeah, fuck yeah, you are. So it was cool. And I love doing stand-up and i love comics i mean i fucking love comics they're my brothers and sisters and and you know what i put a lot on the line for them they put a lot on the line for me and sometimes people like a lot of people come through you're like i know i don't do what you do and i'm so it's like no i'm supposed to do what i'm supposed to do you're and that's what i was saying to you before you't do what you do. And I'm like, no, I'm supposed to do what I'm supposed to do. And that's what I was saying to you before.

You figured out what you're supposed to do, and you're so tremendous at it. It makes the kettle drums in my heart go, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Joe Rogan, la-la, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. La-la, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. La-la. And I see his movie, Bob Keck,

oh, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. La-la, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. But for you, that's why you fuckers got a few bucks, movie bobcat go through it don't do it don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't but for you that's why you got a little few bucks buy me a kettle drum okay we'll get your kettle drum i'm gonna have one shipped upstate new york gonna take it on a back of a 500 pound pig carried into town down a dirt road so but my point is like are you gonna you're gonna tour i mean yes i will yeah and i will tell you and you will pass it along to your people. Is there a website that people could find out about what you're doing? BarryCrimmins.com just got completely renovated by my friends at Slab Media, Jim Infantino,

Catherine Infantino in Boston. Just today we just launched the cleaned up modern version of the website because I had like a wood-burning website before this and it has a calendar where people look at that they will sexy bitch distinguished power don't that's right that's right okay so there's an appearances thing an account look it's a modern Facebook Twitter the whole deal yeah Instagram you got an Instagram? I don't use it much, but Twitter's kind of perfect for me because I'm a pithy joke guy. Right, right, right. So they played right into it.

For once, it came into my wheelhouse. Steven Wright would have been the awesome. Mitch Hedberg. Mitch Hedberg and Steven Wright. Do you know what Steven did when he was using Twitter a lot? He wrote a book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was writing a book. What a funny prick. Read a book on Twitter. What a funny prick lot, he wrote a book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was writing a book.

What a funny prick. Read a book on Twitter. What a funny prick. 140 characters at a time. Imagine getting to know him for all these years. I mean, he's like one of my dearest friends. We don't see each other that often when we do. It's just like talk about just picking right up from where you were the last time.

And he came up and saw me out of nowhere. That's why he knew in the movie, when he says in the movie, it's like Thoreau had a computer. Because he was there. He drove out to see me from Massachusetts just because he kind of wanted to get some context.

And Stephen, he's so honest. I'm so glad now in my head I know where you are you know it's just so great so he's back in Boston Stephen Wright is well he lives there but you know I mean he goes out and does it you know as many dates as he wants he lives in Massachusetts I'm not sure he lives kind of 120 you know I don't want to say exactly where he lives Bratz up you up near the... Not that far if you went to one of them. Because he pissed off the

juggalos. Did he? No. I keep hearing about the juggalos. I did the gathering. How was it? It was as horrible as you'd imagine. Yeah, I would imagine it would be amazing. It was insane. It was insane. There's no security. There's no lights.

There's no... Just people selling bath salts and fighting and and there's a video of a girl just pulling down her pants and a bunch of guys just fucking her at the well It's probably just one video of many the The tequila tequila footage where they ran out of Faygo to throw at her Because they spray each other with Faygo Cola. So they just knocked over

the outhouses and just started throwing human shit at her. I stress human because if you and I were walking on the street and you picked up some dog poo and hit me with it, I'd be mad, but later on we'd be pals. We'd laugh it off. I'd go, dude, what the fuck?

You hit me with dog shit. But, you know, if it was like Hobo Duke, that would be a deal breaker. We wouldn't be pals. We'd laugh it off. I'd go, dude, what the fuck? You hit me with dog shit. But, you know, if it was like Hobo Duke, that would be a deal breaker. We wouldn't be pals anymore. Juggalo shit in that blue liquid. Hobo Duke. Hobo Duke. That's the new band.

Old Hobo Duke. The Hobo Dukes. Tonight with Hitler's Jism. We are Hitler's Jism. My opening act was Upchuck the Clown. And he's driving me around the grounds in a golf cart, and the jugglers are getting out of the way like, who are the millionaires? So this juggalo runs alongside the golf cart and then just starts punching the fuck out of Upchuck.

Oh, that's right. You talked about it on the podcast. It was a drive-by beating. He just started whaling on him, and he's like, fuck you, up check. Oh, that's what you talked. Yeah. Yeah, it was a drive-by beating He just started whaling on him and he's like You know really frosted my cake in this whole exchange was I remember he was saying This is like a Dave Matthews concert With Jimmy Walker and Ron Jeremy That's Upchuck the Clown? No. With Jimmy Walker and Ron Jeremy. Holy fuck. Yeah, that's Joel.

Wow. No, but like the idea that like, I'll talk to Bobcat in a language he can understand. It's like a Dave Matthews concert. I'm like, I wouldn't go see Dave Matthews. I think he's trying to say it's safe. It's chill. Yeah. Dave Matthews concert.

You know what? I got to say this. Crowd, they were really nice. But then Upchuck got hit in the head with a can of Faygo, and he kind of slumped over the steering wheel unconscious. And he's like, steer! And so he wakes up. And I'm steering with a semi-conscious clown.

Oh, my God. I still can't get you to repeat. I don't think I remember that game show story from Australia. Oh, I can't remember that story. Oh, God, I wish you would do that. I kept hitting this woman's buzzer. I was on a game show. And you go, Sophie.

That was her name. I didn't touch the buzzer. He keeps hitting my buzzer. I go, hey, lady, if you're going to lose, just lose. Don't drag me into this. Sophie. Oh, man. It's great for a Friday night here. Unfortunately, it's Thursday,

right? What day is this? I love that you don't know what day it is! I never know. Thursday. Thursday. I never know unless I have gigs. I have two gigs tonight. You have two gigs? Yeah. Two of you be wrapping this up? Yeah, I got one at the W and I got one at the Comedy Store.

What time are you on at the Comedy Store? 10.45. Okay. Can you get me in, man? Fuck yeah, brother. Don't worry about it. Come on down. Keep drinking.

I'll take a little nap. We'll wheel you in. No, you know what? This is the end of the tour. Not to mention the other films. This is like the 100th interview in 10 days or something. I can only imagine. I thought it was about Gerard Barry. It's unfortunate you have to do press for these things,

but it's kind of a part of the thing, right? No, it's important, and I'm thrilled, and I'm so... Again, how much... I mean, we just named the movie the right thing, because just look at what this fucking guy has done for me and he's also had a sort of there's times when I've milked the fact

that I'm watching him treat me with kid gloves and I'm going like hey you know I may let this go on so August 7th it's going to be this Friday and that'll be that'll be like All across the country No no It'll be in New York

You'll probably show you If you keep scrolling New York DC Austin Here in LA Oh there it goes Santa Ana

IFC New York Santa Ana Beverly Hills Washington Angelica Vegas Yeah okay So it's all

Callmeluckymovie.com. It's all available on the website. I see you now. I see you now. We drop our tees in upstate New York. I see you now, Joe. It's going to be available up there, too. Look at that.

Stitches. Powerful stitches. Oh, yeah. That's where I did my first open mic. Really? Yeah. Who hosted? Jonathan Katz.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Good old John. Love that guy. He's in the Really? Yeah. Who hosted? Jonathan Katz. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Good old John. Love that guy. He's in the movie? Yeah. Yes, he is.

When is it going to be available? Like on iTunes and all that stuff? It will become, like it'll be on... Netflix, the whole deal? I think Netflix, yeah. You know, most of my... Actually, all my movies end up on digital platforms. So unlike those movies, though, MPI, the folks putting it out, you know, believe

in giving this one a little bit broader of a theatrical run. Nice. Beautiful. That's great. Willow Creek was good, dude. What happened with that? Did it do well? It did well for me. It actually helped the same company that put that out said, when I said, hey, I want to make a movie about this guy, and it's about his child abuse, they were going, fine. It was really cool. Wow. So Robin had given us the money to start the beginning of it,

and then MPI, they were cool, man. They were very supportive of what I do. That's awesome. Barry Crimmins, it's been an honor. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being here. Thanks for being you. You, unbelievable. I'm so here. Thanks for being you. You, unbelievable.

I'm so honored to be on your show. Bob, first interview I got hammered at out of 100. I apologize. I fucking apologize. I was going to do it somewhere. It's perfect. I thought you were going to say, Bob, I've had it. Don't apologize.

No more movies. Go cram it. You can take that sequel and shove it up your ass. Now I'm hammered. I'm not hammered, but I'm, you know. You're up there a little bit. I love you, man. And thanks.

You're the fucking greatest. You're a beautiful person, Bob. How much more? But I mean, honestly, how much more? Like, fucking, you know, active friendship is one thing. A documentary of it is quite another. Thank you very much. I love you, brother, and I'm most appreciative.

And thank you so much for having me on, Joe. And I hope I get to come back and hang around and see what we fucking skip off on. Absolutely. Anytime. Anytime. Come on back. I'm so proud to know you. My honor, sir.

Thank you very much. All right, everybody. We will be back. What's today? Thursday? Wednesday? Thursday? We'll be back tomorrow. All right. everybody. We will be back, what's today? Thursday? Wednesday? Thursday? We'll be back tomorrow. All right. Love you guys. Bye.