The Joe Rogan Experience - #691 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: September 1, 2015

Bryan Callen is an actor and stand-up comedian, and together with Brendan Schaub he also hosts "The Fighter & The Kid" podcast available on Spotify.

Oh fuck yeah ladies and gentlemen. Oh fuck yeah. So we're doing this place on the 22nd and the 23rd We're working together two nights in a row Brian Callen. That's what's happening. Ladies and gentlemen. Can you believe this? I get to work with one of my best friends on the planet Earth Brian motherfucking Callen. Brian the Kid. September 22nd and 23rd Yeah, 22nd will be at the Ice House. I hate saying one of my best friends because I don't want to be mean to my other best friends. You're my favorite. I'm kind of your favorite. Shh. Guys.

At the end of the day. What the fuck, Joe Rogan? At the end of the day. Where am I? Where do I fit in your fucking program? My number three cocksucker? I'm very easy to hang out with for you. It's just, it's no work. We're both retarded. Yeah. We speak each other's language. That's the best part of it.

Yeah. We understand. The 23rd, you guys, Hong Kong Inn. Yeah, we're doing the Ventura, Ventura, California. Yeah, we're doing two shows now. We just added an 8 o'clock because we sold out the 10 o'clock.

It's not for sale yet, but it will be for sale soon. Yeah. So it's going to be an 8 o'clock and a 10 o'clock show. Yeah, and Tuesday, we're doing something, it's like a showcase

at the Ice House. Just me and Callan on Tuesday night, the 22nd. 22nd on the 23rd. The 22nd Ice House, 23rd Hong Kong Inn. Oh my God.

Two shows, eight and ten. If we just had a hunting trip in with that, it might be the perfect week. We need to go hunting again. Yeah. And it's not even

about the animals. It's just an opportunity for me to be a silly goose and have you captive for five days well one of our favorite trips was the one in alaska which was the most miserable but renella had a really fucking good point about that trip and he was talking about things that are fun he's like there's things that are fun while you're doing them and then they're not fun afterwards but there's things that are not fun while you're doing them and then they're not fun afterwards but there's things that are not fun while you're doing them and they become really fun after you've done them such an interesting point

yeah it's one of his buddies has this scale of fun yeah it's like and the cheapest easiest fun is like roller coaster rides but nobody looks back on a roller coaster ride goes man that time went down fucking roller coaster man yeah we did that roller dude we went time I went down a fucking roller coaster, man. Yeah. We did that roller coaster. Dude, we went up. We went down with all those other people strapped to our seat. No, no, no. You need an element of suffering. You need to be shivering in the morning and wet.

And I think because they've done some studies on what happens when you're in those situations. You create anxiety actually creates oxytocin. And oxytocin is a bonding chemical. So when you're going through this shit, when it's raining and you're cold and you're like, fuck man, this is going to suck. We're going to go find a deer. It's actually a bonding experience. And what happens is when you think back on it, like what, what are you going to do when

you're sitting there freezing in the rain? You're going to make each other laugh. It's just silliness. Well, you know, what else are you going to do? And I think that you and I, yeah, but you and I have a good attitude for that stuff. We can both just accept the fact that we're in a bad environment There's some people that just can't accept it and they freak out. Yeah, those are the ones you can't bring with you I can't bring those people with me. Yeah, just but even those people I always submit that a lot of that is like how you've always approached bad situations

Like how have you have you learned well i would say it's also a factor a fact that they are thinking about the wrong things so they always say mental strength is more about what you choose not to think about in shitty circumstances like tim kennedy was telling a really funny story about when he was doing uh ranger because i asked him i said what drives you like how are you so tough? What do you think it is? He said, I don't know, man. He said, I was Ranger training, and it was so cold, I was lying on the ground, and we were waiting for a simulated ambush, and my dick was hitting like a woodpecker.

I was shivering. My body was shivering like that. And some dude just got up and went down the road and said, I quit. I give up. I'm done. Some dude just got up and went down the road and said, I quit. I give up. I'm done.

And Tim is sitting there freezing and he goes, that dude is so fucking smart. He's so much smarter than I am. Here I am in this shit. And that guy is smart enough to be like, fuck it. I don't want to do this anymore. And he was just, he just says, I was just too stubborn to quit. Now, I'm more impressed with Tim than I am with that guy. Depends on what the guy did.

If he left and started some global powerhouse of a company like Tesla Motors or something like that and went on to make a billion dollars in the next two years, I would say, yeah, that guy probably did the right thing. That's why it's really important for a society to be structured in such a way that you allow people to do what they're meant to do. If you're in Russia, the guy with the biggest guns and the biggest muscles, that's the guy that runs everything. But how much innovation comes out of Russia? When was the last time you bought a Russian computer or a Russian car or a Russian anything?

It's a very good point. Yeah. They make good fighters. They make good fighters. And they're very tough. They make good hoes. Very macho culture. How about their hoes?

Women like aggressive men. The hoes are fantastic. They're on point. They're on point. They are on point. And I was 17, and I had my experience with two of them in the Cosmos Hotel. Really? In Russia? I sure did.

17. Svetlana and Kristina. Where'd you get the money? Oh, I didn't give them money, but I did give them my Nike shoes and my blue jeans. And my blue jeans. Because there was a guy there. So this is before we sorted out the cold war 1985 so it's still danger uh-huh i was 18 17 you barely could get over there right i mean you

get over there but they look to you funny you had a government monitor um you had a government monitor they would bug your hotel room to make sure you weren't you know kate uh cia or whatever so did you walk around your hotel room going, oh, fuck, yeah. I'm coming, coming. I'm coming again. Oh, communism. Communist era turns me on. We follow him.

Look at transcript. All the time, come. Look, American dick. Look, he's come here. He's come there. He come bathroom. He come balcony. He come television on bed. Who clean?

Not me. He's young. He's 17. His dick never go down. Always. You know what Mike Swick told me? Mike Swick used to work for some government agency. I forget what it was.

I want to say Secret Service. But they were in Moscow, and they discovered these listening devices that the Russians had placed in their buildings. And they were so sophisticated that they were powered by the movement of the building. Because every building has subtle movement. Like if you've ever been in a building that is in an earthquake, it's a very weird feeling because you feel the building like rocking back and forth. And it's disconcerting. You know, it's like, whoa, this thing fucking moves, man.

But there's a constant moving and swaying with the wind, and it's very minute. And sometimes you can feel it, like if it's a heavy storm, but most of the time you can't. Well, the Russians had figured out how to make some piece of sound equipment power by that. So it had no external power source. It was completely powered by the movement of the building. And so the device would turn on. Mm-hmm. Wow. So if somebody was walking, it would turn on. Well, I don't know the specifics, but I know that it was a very sophisticated device that was powered by the movement of the building. I think a lot of those are voice activated,

but I used to have a voice activated tape recorder. And at one point in time, I was trying to hook it up to the tank, my isolation tank, so that when I'm in the tank and I have a great idea, I could just say it and record it. But I never, I just didn't use it because the ideas were just coming at you. Like when you're in the tank, the ideas are just coming at you like wet fish. Yeah, I know. Try to catch them, try to hold on to one, but they're really hard to do. In that tank, I try to have no thoughts.

That's hard to do. But this guy, you know, Swick, when Swick was telling me, these guys, whoever had set this equipment up in there, they were using sophisticated equipment that the U.S. government didn't even know existed. Wow. Wow. Yeah. It's always been a technological race.

We were far ahead of them in the Cold War just because we could outsource it. Sort of, but not with rocketry, not with the space program. The space program, like, you're always going to have problems whenever there's a country where people don't have the motivation to succeed and achieve because they don't get financially rewarded or they're constrained by that sort of You know you they have this sort of imperialistic Russian sort of economy. It's a very different way of Achieving success you achieve success if you get in with the right group of people and you have to play the right politics It's an economy of influence. You can't just be some fucking nomad, some rogue investor who goes out and kicks ass and makes a lot of money. They take those guys, and they take their money, and they lock them up in jail.

That's right. I mean, Putin has done that to many of these oligarch billionaire characters in these terrifying stories. Well, the mistake that they made, a lot of those guys made, was going into politics and criticizing the government. Yes. Putin had sort of an unwritten law that said, you can make your money. You're going to pay us a little something. You can make your money. You start making noise about politics.

And that's what they did to, what's his name, the guy who owned Yukos Oil, I think it's called, the biggest oil magnet. And they stormed his plane. And I think he's still in jail. No, they let him out. They let him out. But I think it's the same guy you're talking about.

It took all his... It was a very famous case. Yeah. Took everything. Yeah, took everything. But I think it's the same guy you're talking about. It took all his... It was a very famous case. Yeah. Took everything. Yeah, took everything. When you have a government like that, when you don't have property rights, when you don't have due process, when you don't have objective law, what happens is who in the world is going to work really hard to create a company when the guy with the biggest guns can come along and take it? Yeah.

Again, I'd love to sit Putin down and ask him how he thinks that strategy makes any sense. He's not thinking that it makes sense. He's thinking that he can do it. Yeah, it's a very short-sighted thing that ironically makes your country way weaker. It lowers your life expectancy and everything. Russia's a one crop economy

oil and now that oil is at 40 a barrel when it was at 100 they're having a major crisis do you think that is a part of the u.s strategy to fuck with them absolutely not no absolutely not so you don't think the u.s government has any control whatsoever on the amount of the price the price of oil absolutely not is. Is it possible? Russia's biggest problem is that their history has either given rise to czars, kings, or a different kind of czar, which is the communist dictator. You know, the Russians are a very industrious people. And, you know, you wonder what they would be capable of doing if they lived in a society

where the incentive structure rewarded you for your work and your ingenuity. But unfortunately, they have always lived under some kind of an autocracy, some kind of oligarchy. It's never been different. I mean, Putin is essentially a czar, and he has his small group of people around him. So I believe that it has nothing to do with the United States. In fact, it has everything to do with the philosophy. That's not what I meant, though, honestly. I agree with you on all that. But what I meant is the price of oil.

Do you think it's manipulated to fuck with events? I don't think it's possible. Oil is a worldwide commodity. And so when it's traded on the worldwide economy, nobody's controlling oil. Oil is out there and traded. Do you know how it goes up and down? Like when oil goes from $40 a barrel, $100 a barrel, how does it do that? I don't know the intricacies of that, but I do know that one of the reasons it went from $100 to $40 a barrel was fracking in this country, where we had our own access to massive oil shales.

Yeah, that's a big deal. It's incredible. It's changed everything. And all of a sudden, we're no longer dependent on Russian oil. Other people aren't as dependent on Russian oil. They can buy our oil for cheaper. Or there's just a glut.

There's just more oil. And when there's more oil being traded on the world stage, the price will come down. There is not a scarcity of oil. In fact, oil now in 2015, I think, is now, I mean, the price of gas is ridiculously cheap. Because nobody expected this kind of technology to create that much oil that quickly. Fracking, though, seems like, no matter what anybody says, I mean, there's going to be debate. No matter what anybody says.

I mean, there's going to be debate. Anytime there's anything controversial, anytime that there's any sort of environmental risk with something like that, it's hard to separate the facts from the noise. Yes. But it seems without a doubt that some areas are getting contaminated. It seems without a doubt that some rivers are getting polluted, some well systems are getting fucked up. That movie Gasland got criticized for some inaccuracies, but they couldn't criticize all of

it. You know, there's some undeniable aspects to fracking. There's some undeniable aspects to any kind of energy technology, because the fact of the matter is civilization and feeding the civilization and energy source is going to be at this point polluting. And I think the way out of it is, you know, a lot of people favor legislation, and I think they might be a place for legislation, of course. But I think what's really going to get us out of that kind of an issue is technology, is just create more incentives. I don't care if it's through the government or, you know, government grants or private enterprise. Create incentives for smart people to come up with clean technology.

And that's what we're doing. You know, that's kind of where you want to head. Yeah, it's not like there's going to be some sort of an instant solution for the pollution of the atmosphere or the ocean. But it seems like with people, people are really fucking smart. There's these giant leaps that they make every now and then, and a lot of them are due to pressure. There's some real pressure where people are worried about the environment. 100%. And there's going to be people way smarter than us that are going to figure some ways around it.

Did you see how that 19-year-old kid came up with a device to clean all the plastic out of the ocean? No. Yeah, he won some prize for it. Jamie, see if you can find that. It's like some gigantic fucking skimmer that's going to go over the Pacific garbage patch. Really? And it sucks the plastic out, and I think it puts it to use. See, the thing about plastic is if you could actually get it out of the ocean, it's valuable.

It has a value. Well, there's more. What is that? They did something. There's an island of plastic the size of the continental United States or something crazy. It's not quite that big, but it's not necessarily an island either. I've described it as an island and people have corrected me. What it is is like soup.

Yes. It's like there's where the wind- Tiny pieces. Yeah. They're very small. They're very small. And that's where the tide has, you know, there's areas where there's like the currents. They put things into like a circulation and then it'll

it'll all accumulate in this one area but it's like i think that any problem has a solution i actually really as i get older i i'm i'm way less cynical cynical i think the here it is right here ocean cleanup so this guy's figured out some way and i'm correct me if i'm wrong james is this the same one where there's a 19 year old kidold kid who created this? I couldn't. Damn. I didn't see anything about his age. This might be a different thing because I never saw this part before. I re-Googled the story from, like, 2013 when it was going around.

I just researched the new name to find some updated stories on it. Oh, so this is the update? Yeah, this is their actual website. The largest cleanup in history. So they're gonna create some gigantic huge machine. It's probably gonna create a lot of jobs.

And they're gonna suck all that fucking plastic out of the ocean. The real problem, too, is not just the plastic in the ocean, but overfishing. We kill a lot of fucking fish. You know, but I wonder though if there's a way, I mean, they have, but I wonder though if there's a way, I mean, they have hatcheries.

I wonder if there's a way for us to create hatcheries that release fish into the wild. Because we have hatcheries that release salmon. We do it with salmon and we do it with trout. You know, there's places where you fish for trout and the fish all come from hatcheries and they stock the fish. Well, the problem is the dead zones, the ecological dead zones in the bottom of the ocean,

where the trawlers, where they drag for shellfish and stuff, they drag these giant sort of claws that collect everything the size of semis. And they just do that through, and there are areas in the Atlantic that are massive dead zones. There's some crazy amount, like areas the size of Western Europe that are literally dead zones. Yeah, there's no fucking plants growing down there. There's no oxygen. Yeah, coral gets devastated. But I had linguine with clams last night.

It was delicious. I'm not going to go pick those fucking clams. Who's going to get me clams? We'll figure it out. Did it hit him? Look at this. Same guy. What a cool name.

Boyan Slat. Yeah, he sounds like a wizard. He's a Dutch entrepreneur. Dutch.. What a cool name. Boyan Slat. Yeah. He sounds like a wizard. He's a Dutch entrepreneur. Dutch. High. High as fuck. Guaranteed.

Entrepreneur and inventor. This kid, this is a guy to get on the podcast now before he becomes too big. Wow. You need to find him. Find him, Jamie. Make a note. Make a mental note. Call Matt Staggs.

Find this young man. We'll fly him out from Holland. Tell him we have weed. Let him know. Find this young man. Well, fly him out from Holland. Tell him we have weed. Let him know. He's only 19. We could corrupt him. Take him around Brian Redband's girls. Exactly.

That's kryptonite for any genius. Bring him to dirty places. Yeah, we had Alex Honnold on, who is one of the best free climbers in the world. Oh, yeah, he's a freak. Yeah. He is the best, isn't he? I mean, he does it without ropes. Yeah, he does.

He does it with ropes first to map out his course, you know He obviously you have to make sure that you can do it without ropes Yeah, so you got to do with ropes first But then he just makes a decision knows what he can do and what he can't do. Anyway, he was like like real mellow and like steady until Brian brought up girls and porn stars. He's like, what? Really? Because we're inviting him to go to Vegas.

There was a UFC in Vegas, and we were doing a show out there. And the guy's eyes lit up. It's funny. It's just like you're not getting any pussy on that mountain. Pussy is like the most pussy script night for anybody. It is for a lot of these guys. There are women that can change your whole life. What's that man's name again?

That young, young fellow? Bryant. Boyan. Boyan Slatt. Boyan Slatt. Boyan Slatt. I guarantee you, there's some girls out there that are reading the same thing. Especially the dirty girls that listen to this podcast.

They're going to find him. They want the young genius. They're going to find him. The young Dutch genius. Suck money out of his dick. He's probably super tall, girls. Super tall and thin. It doesn't matter if he is.

The Dutch are the tallest men in Europe. He could buy you a Bentley. Just suck it out of his dick. You could literally suck a Bentley out of his dick. You just have to suck hard enough and just gently work the balls. He just starts reaching into his pocket? Yes, just be magical to him. Be a magical nymph who came out of nowhere.

Just came out of the woods, and get a trap phone, right? All those guys that are sending you dick pictures, don't give that number to, what's his name again? Boyan? Don't give it to Blatt. It's kind of funny that he's something that involves water, and he's kind of buoyant.

Yeah. You know? Boyan. Yeah, that's all we need, man. Put one. Just one girl. One girl with a fucking An iPhone with no contacts on it

Yeah She's only getting messages From Boyan And then extort them for money Hide her Let's leave that phone laying around Never has to worry About getting in trouble

Cause it just Dicks Vibrating Dicks Get some Russian gal Some Russian gal That maybe you met When you were 17

And stole your sneakers Get her Get her. Get her to find Boyan. I bet Putin would fucking send his attackers. He's probably got little trained piranha women that he's trained over there. I guarantee he does. That they all bang. Everybody in the fucking cabinet or whatever they have.

Parliament. There's a lot of fucking in the parliament. Of course. A lot of anonymous fucking with masks. Well, that's one of the reasons why Star Wars is so ridiculous. Okay? Because Darth Vader had no motivation. Darth Vader wasn't getting any pussy, okay?

He was just being evil. Yeah. There was no money. He wasn't, like, rolling around in money. Well, domination of the universe, right? For what? For what? To wear that stupid mask?

Come on. What are you going to do? You can't even exist without that stupid helmet on, and you're going to dominate the universe, and then what? You win? You're already winning. And when you're around and you're gonna dominate the universe and then what you win you already winning and when they were You're around you could choke them without even using your hands. You could fake choke them from a distance and kill them What do you want? But you wonder about people like Genghis Khan and what motivated him? Pussy and booty say do you know how much pussy that guy had? Yeah, we know what a hundred

male China Chinese men age directly. are directly related to. Directly. He changed the fucking ecosystem. It's crazy. Dude, there was a New York Times article that said that he killed so many people, something around 10% of the world's population died while he was alive directly because of his decisions. Yeah.

It was so different. The biggest asshole on the planet. Or a great guy who was misunderstood, who was killing a lot of his decisions. Yeah. It was so different. The biggest asshole on the planet. Or, a great guy who was misunderstood, who was killing a lot of assholes. I bet everybody back then was an asshole.

Dealing with 1200 AD, oh, fucking kill them all. Yeah. What do they know? They're all apes. Well, what Dan Carlin says,

you have to wonder what the strength of his nature was to wake up and say, I want the world. I want that which I can't even see. He got a scouting guy, came back and said, look, there are people with blonde hair and

blue eyes in what was Russia. And they said, we should go get those too. And he was like, all right, let's go take them over too. Well, not only that, they were willing to go through so much hardship. They crossed into Moscow in the winter. Yes. Because there was this marshy area that you could only cross Moscow in the winter. Yes. Because there was this marshy area that you could only cross through

in the winter when it was frozen solid. But no one ever thought that anybody would do that. Because it was so harsh. The climate's so harsh. The Mongols didn't give a fuck. They never washed their clothes. They ate rats. They ate each other occasionally. They'd run out of food. That's disputed apparently according to Dan Carlin. They would drink their

mare's milk and blood. they would cut their horses and then fill their uh their class with horse and mare's blood and that's what they would survive on for days at a time yeah they were just so fucking crazy i think life in the goby desert on that on the step was already so insanely harsh insanely harsh you were primarily a carnivore the way they would hunt and catch birds and catch you know the deer and the whatever was there with their horses it was just a very harsh harsh way to live well there's a reality to people that you could always take more you know most the time up until the point where it kills you you could take more yeah you know I was watching Rinella meat-eater the other other day. He had an episode on,

I don't want to say the name wrong, Nanuvak Island outside of Alaska. You can get to it when the fucking ocean freezes. Yeah, I know. You can walk there. I'm not doing that hunting trip. They take jet skis

across the frozen ocean. Damn. Okay? And these people are out there and they hunt for this thing called a muskox, which is this enormous beast of an animal, which I may go hunting in Greenland with Cam Haynes. We might do an archery muskox hunt because apparently you can hunt them in the dry green. You don't have to be an asshole and be out there in the middle of the fucking snow. My dentist almost died hunting for muskox. They apparently they apparently taste delicious yeah they taste like ribeye steak it's like it's just

incredibly delicious fat big fat animal because they're just constantly eating to try to keep fat on to keep them warm yeah and they're they're ridiculously cool looking and there's a lot of them so it's like yeah and in greenland apparently there are. They thrive more. So you can go hunting for them in the grass where it's not that cold. Exactly. Where you're doing it in the Arctic, if you're doing it in Alaska, you're hunting for them on these frozen tundras. It's crazy to watch.

Sam Sheridan was telling me that they went to rescue, I think they were hunting muskox, but they went to rescue these guys who had been out on a hunt and they were already they were so cold they were already dying of of hypothermia and they what they got there they were taking all their clothes off because what happens you know you the blood rushes to your yeah you you think you're burning oh that's a scary way to die meanwhile you're going to go to the cryogenic chamber after this today. Yes, I am. For your first time.

To bring down my inflammation. You got it everywhere. I guarantee. Everybody does. You're going to feel like a million bucks, too. I'm kind of immortal. Neoprenephrine. Your brain produces this incredible anti-inflammatory and antidepressant.

Really? You're going to feel great. I'm going to come out hugging. I'll come out hugging. Muscox. Yeah. Oh, so this environment where these people lived i was like this is an incredible like the the the village was less than 200 people and you know it's just nothing but white you look around it's just frozen everything the ground is

flat and white and goes on for as far as the eye can see god and these people are living there man and they have the little kids and their kids were living there, and they're all bundled up except their faces. They're like, what's, you know, and Ronell's like, what's your favorite food? He's like, I like to eat seal. They're eating the seal and walrus. Walrus is my favorite food. It's so weird.

They're eating walrus. And they're staying alive. If life started in East Africa, there were some people that just kept walking north. Fuck Spain and the sunshine and the grass. I don't want that. Now let's go where it's icy and it gets dark at noon. Yeah, this is home. They didn't know any better, man.

They didn't know where they were going. I mean, a lot of this, when this happened, people had a rudimentary understanding of navigation. They just went in search of food and kept going. That's true. And then wound up here. I mean, nobody would have gone across the fucking Bering Strait if they knew.

Right. They just kept going. They just kept going. Really, everybody should have stayed in Africa. Yeah. Although the Fertile Crescent was even where you want to be, like Iraq, where numbers started. Because you had grasses that grew like barley and millet and wheat.

And it was easy. And you could domesticate animals. But, you know, that's like barley and millet and wheat, and it was easy, just the way, and you could domesticate animals. Well, you know, that's when they first started importing coffee. That's why they call them Arabica, Arabica beans. Oh, Arabica beans, really? Yeah, it all came from Ethiopia, all of it. Yes, I heard that. Yeah, I had a fascinating gentleman on my podcast. What's his name?

Peter, I'm trying to figure his last name Italian find it He was a coffee guy. Yeah an expert a real coffee expert and a really cool guy and he Ran down the history. What is his name Peter? Giuliani myth I've heard and tell me if this is right the myth I heard was that Ethiopian goat farmers were watching their goats eat these berries. And they would get a pep in their step and have more energy when they were done eating the berries. Huh, that's interesting. And then the shepherds were like, well, if they eat them, maybe I'll eat them.

Makes sense. Yeah, and based on their other types of cooking, the way you would, you know, cook something, they said, let's try to roast these beans and see what happens. That makes sense. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder, let's try to roast these beans and see what happens. That makes sense. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder if that's the case. You know, that was an issue with, that's how they figured out the cordyceps mushroom, too. Cordyceps mushroom is high-altitude herding populations.

They're watching their animals eat these mushrooms, and their animals would have, like, more energy. They're like, huh, what the fuck's going on here? And they figured out that it helps in oxygen utilization. That was before, like, the Chinese Olympic team started using them. Wow. Yeah. It's cool when you get animals to try out food for you and see if they die, but the problem is there's some shit that they can't eat that we can eat.

For the most part, though, they say that with dogs, if the dogs eat onions, it makes them anemic and stuff, but for the most part, they say if a bird's eating it, I've heard this. I don't know. You can eat it. You can eat it. It makes them anemic and stuff. But for the most part, they say if a bird's eating it, I've heard this. I don't know. You can eat it. You can eat it. That makes sense. If an animal's eating it.

But then again, I think birds eat certain berries. I mean, there are certain berries and mushrooms you can eat. You eat like half a mushroom and you're dead. Yeah, there's certain mushrooms that look real similar to psychedelic mushrooms. Yeah. And if you eat them, you have like instant liver toxicity. Like you might have to get a liver transplant. Yeah, you're going to die.

How fucked is that, man? You know, there was an old lady. Well, not just one. I think there were several people that died in a nursing home because this old guy or old gal, I forget what it was, went out in search of mushrooms and brought back some mushrooms and cooked it for everyone in the nursing home. And they fucking died. Well, you know, the oleander is super poisonous and i heard what is oleander oleander is you see it it's like a nondescript kind of bush with you know big kind of long cylindrical leaves and uh these guys used an oleander branch to cook their lamb these tourists tourists. They ran an oleander ranch. And whatever,

whatever happened, the sap got in the meat and they fucking died. And then they had this really expensive racehorse. And I don't remember where this, you know, those racehorses are $100 million or something. Somehow that racehorse ate a couple of oleander leaves and died.

God damn. Why did you have oleander near the horse's stable? Let's see a picture of oleander, Jamie. I need to know that this stuff is that fucking toxic. That stuff right there? I believe so. It's so pretty. Yeah, it is.

Isn't it weird that a lot of really pretty things are fucking terrible for you? Uh-huh. Like girls? You could lose your house. Careful. The guys that are not used to really hot girls, and you see it coming. The guys who didn't get those girls in high school and college, and then what happens

is they get famous, and they're 38 and 40, and they're kind of dorky. Or rich. They don't have to get famous. Yes, and then they date that trophy wife, or they meet a girl in a strip club or whatever it is. You've got to be careful. I was at this steakhouse the other night in Beverly Hills. Like a very swank place. I don't need to name the place.

All right. Sorry. Very swank establishment. But I was astonished by the number of disgusting men with attractive women. I was like, this is fascinating. Like this guy, I hope he can play a mean set of drums or fucking belt out a great tune or something. I mean, how did he get her?

Like what's going on here? Just really, really rich guys. Oh, dude. In Beverly Hills, especially that is where the oldest profession in the world is rampant. Just prostitution. It's a different kind of prostitution because it's legal. You're just professional girlfriends and wives for like really ugly dudes. It's a different kind of prostitution because it's legal. You're just professional girlfriends and wives for really ugly dudes. It's a girl you keep.

Mad cash. I buy her. She's got an apartment. She's got a house. I mean, she's got a car. She gets first class tickets. Another thing we found fascinating was the amount of Arab license plates, Saudi Arabian plates. They fly their fucking supercars over here.

There was a Bugatti Veyron, which is a one point something million dollar car. This insane car. And the palace plate, it said something palace because I was with a friend

who's Persian and he reads Arabic. And he said, it said palace and then the number plate was like 222,222. That was the plate. It was all twos, and it said Palace.

And it was this fucking, I don't know, like one point something million dollar car. Well, you like cars, right? I don't like those. What is that car? What is the point of that? Well, here's the problem with those cars. I mean, they're incredible pieces of technology. I mean, they're undeniable.

The speed, the power, the opulence, the interior is gorgeous and beautiful. And it's one of those things that Floyd Mayweather drives around in. But what I like is I like cars that are tactile. I don't even necessarily like new cars. I like, I'm moving towards- Something that can really drive.

Yeah, I'm moving towards older and older cars. My Porsche is the newest car that I have. That's really dry. Yeah, I'm moving towards older and older cars. My Porsche is the newest car that I have. That's a 2007. And that's the last year that they made the GT3 or the last model that they made the GT3 RS the way mine is. It doesn't have any, like, there's no stability control. There's some traction control, limited amount of traction control. That's it. It's a race car.

And you can shut that off and you're on your own. You just have this 520-pound horsepower, ridiculously light car that you feel everything. Are you telling me it only weighs 520 pounds? No, no, no. 520 horsepower. Oh, okay. It's less than 3,000 pounds. Wow.

But somewhere around 3,000 pounds. But what I'm interested in, honestly, is like 1970s cars, like 1970 Porsche that's 2,000 pounds, like 1,000 pounds like a thousand pounds less and less powerful but you feel everything no power steering you feel the fucking bumps of the car you feel the road you feel that like literally you feel in your ass tack thousand right word for them you feel when the cars rear end is breaking loose if you're when the tires are losing traction you sliding a little bit that's fun yeah I call this other shit, like these Bugattis.

It's physical. They're all computers. It's like, I drove a Nissan GTR. Do you know what one of those are? No. It's this incredibly technologically sophisticated rocket ship that Nissan's built. It's almost like a proof of concept vehicle. They almost like, they lose money on it.

A proof of concept vehicle. They almost like, they lose money on it. It's a flagship vehicle, and it's so fucking unbelievably, ridiculously competent and fast. That car right there goes zero to 60 in less than three seconds. It's pretty understated. It's not like... Well, it's, everything's functional. That car, it's not about, like, I think it looks cool, because it looks like a spaceship. Yeah.

But everything about it is about aerodynamics and about keeping the body pinned to the ground. It's heavy. It's about 3,900 pounds, so it's like 900 pounds more than my car is, and it's four-wheel drive, which race car drivers traditionally like a rear-wheel drive car because they like the feel that it's pushing instead of pulling.

They like the control that you get because you can kind of steer with a throttle. If you know as you're going into a turn, there's a thing called oversteer, right? So if you're going into a turn, and as you're going into a turn, you can hit the gas, and your S-end will kick out, and it'll change the angle of your entry into the turn. You got to know how to do it just right. You have to have this feel. It's like, you got to know, like, it's more fun than anything because really the correct line if you're on a race course is to have no ass end kick out.

Like, you want everything to be glued. Every time your ass end kicks out, if you're racing, you're going to lose seconds. Everything to be glued. Every time your ass end kicks out, if you're racing, you're going to lose seconds. But for fun, like guys who love those kind of 9-11, like a 1970 9-11, one of the things they like about it is the ass end will kick out. This has got Chris Harris. I've had him in here.

Call it tail happy. Yeah, it's oversteer. Chris Harris is a very famous automotive journalist from the U and he takes it to the next level he likes to power slide around corners it's amazing well watching him do it he's an artist at it and he's going around corners in these cars every car he reviews

he takes and he power slides like everywhere it's just power sliding these fucking things like go Chris Harris GT3 Power slides like everywhere. It's just just power sliding these fucking things like meaning like the Chris Harris kind of GT3 RS 2016 GT3 RS he's literally going sideways around corners with a 500 horsepower

$200,000 Porsche that they let him borrow that's so they let him borrow car. He's just beating the fuck out of it everywhere he goes. No, that's an old one. No, no. Look up. That's my year. That's like a 2007. 2016 GT3. Go down there.

It says GT3 RS accelerations and power slide. Yeah, you can see it probably over there. You won't see Chris Harris do it, but you'll see a car that does it. And the idea is that these guys go around these fucking corners, and they go around these corners using the ass end of the car, like using... No, they're not doing it. No. Let me see if they do it later.

But anyway, it's just fun. Google Chris Harris GT33 RS 2016 Google that and then you'll see uh-huh Chris Harrison cars top one top one yeah now go like three-quarters of the way in there and you'll see him on a racetrack with it even further. Here, here's this crazy fucker. Like this guy's a madman and he just knows how to drive. Yeah, he does. See right there, he's just leaving a little bit of rubber. He's just trying to go fast, as fast as he can. See how he's taking these lines, the outside to the inside. It's all about trying to go around corners in a straight line as possible so that you have as little pressure on the tires sideways as possible. And it's all about choosing the correct line to go around the corners most efficiently.

He couldn't be more macho, by the way. No, he's not. He's a gentleman. He just looks like a thug. He's not in real life, though. But here, see all that rubber? Look, he's going sideways around that corner. See that?

Damn! Give some volume so he can hear that. Because he's having a great fucking time. Oh, we won't even hear it. We don't have our headsets on. Slippy feeling. That guy fucking loves cars. See that? I feel compared to a standard EG3.

It's a good question. Motor's got more mid-range. Really thumps you out. Definitely has more traction. See, if you have a car and you're selling it, you want a motherfucker like this reviewing it. This guy loves cars. He loves them.

And he's smart as shit. He really understands automobiles. It's funny how you have, when you talk like this, you sound really, really smart. Oh, yeah, man. That's why they sell fucking mops with that voice. Do you want this mop? This mop is so much more sophisticated than that mop you're going to buy at the fucking hot rest stop. It simulates to musk ox, and it's got really fantastic sopping ability.

See, you don't find a thrill in this sort of automotive fuckery. There's nothing about this that's appealing to you. Look at that. Look at that power slide. If Bernard Hopkins is talking about how he sets up his jab, that's interesting to me. How is this not interesting to you? I'm missing... I've never been interested in cars.

You've got a broken gene. There's something wrong with you. You're not even American. I know. You were born in another country. That's what it is. Well, no, but other countries... Where were you born? Remember, other countries, like in cars. You've got a broken gene. There's something wrong with you. You're not even American. I know. You were born in another country. That's what it is. Well, no, but other countries. Where were you born?

Remember, other countries like in Europe. What country, though? Where were you born? I was born in the Philippines. That's the thing. Philippines, not known for their cars. India. I bet you get crazy when you see a scooter.

I bet if you see one of those. I do. I go crazy when I see a moped. A Vespa? When I see a rickshaw. You give him a raw coconut, he loses his fucking mind. Yeah, I just never... Maybe that's what it is.

I was into Bruce Lee. I was always into physical things like that. Although, is race car driving a sport? Absolutely. I think so. 100%. It seems like it would be. I mean, it's you're managing your body as well as managing an automobile.

Right. Without a doubt. Formula One's got to be a sport. Well, it's all your own movements. Your movements are dictating the movements of the car. Your movements of the wheel, especially in the old days when they would actually shift with a clutch. Now everything's paddle shifters. Why do you think Formula One is so huge in Europe and everywhere else and not at all in the United States?

Because we got our own NASCAR up in this bitch, son! Is that big? I guess it is. It's huge. If you ever go to the South, if you ever go to the radio in Georgia and they start talking to you about NASCAR and you're like, what? Did you see what Dale did last weekend?

Let me tell you, boy, let me tell you what. That guy knows how to drive a car. I'll tell you what. A car. Oh, he's driving a car. Who's Dale? You didn't see the NASCAR? Isn't NASCAR not as technical? Isn't it kind of like... All I know is they let chicks do it now.

So they let girls do it. And you know something's up. You know something's up with that sport. Seems like I could probably do it better. Are they competing? Since I do have a penis. Are they competing with men? Think of all they claim to be.

I think that Danica Patrick chick, she wins. That's downright un-American. But she's tough as shit, man. She's probably the Ronda Rousey of race car driving. Yeah. She knows how to do it. Easy on the eyes, too. Not a bad-looking gal.

Not at all. That's a tough fucking sport, though, for sure. You've got to maintain your nerves. You've got to figure out when to hit the gas, when to hit the brakes. You've got to know when to make your move. And you're piloting that fucking car. It's not automated in any way, shape, or form. It's all up to you to

decide how to bust a move. It's physical. It's super dangerous. And your reaction time means a lot, right? Do they have a clutch? Does NASCAR have a clutch? Do they have those things, automatics? I think they got clutches. I would hope so. Being American and all.

Being American. I'd hope they make those motherfuckers shift their own gears like Tom Cruise in Days of Thunder. NASCAR. Like power shifting, maybe. I don't think. They don't have a clutch? I don't know. People are going to get mad.

What happened, America? What did we do with the left pedal? We need the left pedal. Bring back the left pedal. Yeah, man. You son of bitches. You need to drive a fucking real car, man. I have. Just go get yourself a Mustang GT 350 when they

keep filling it with gas man shut the fuck up with something that's a jazz what do you what do you what are you busy every minute of every day I'm very stop at a gas station and put the fucking thing in the slot I go get yourself a red bands I can't do you you swarmed no yes swarmed. Holy shit. At the gas station. It's Brian Cowan. It's the kid. It's the kid. Hey, man. Jesus. What is that, a Volkswagen? Is that a Passat?

Is that a diesel? No, I'm kidding. I think I'm going to get the Tesla. What do you think? Great car. I love it. Yeah, I would buy one. The only thing I wouldn't buy it for is if you ever have to take your family out of the

state if fucking shit hits the fan. Good luck. Oh, I got another car for that. Well, you need another car for that. I got a Highlander for that. Well, that's a good move. Yeah. Those are great.

Those are great cars. Yeah, I mean, for a car around town, it's awesome. And you know, the other thing is, if you install solar on your house, you could fucking power that thing easily with solar power. I just did. That's pretty interesting. I mean, obviously it costs money for the batteries and the setup and the maintenance and all that jazz, but at the end of the day, once the money is spent on setting it up and the operating costs are fairly minimal in comparison to what it would cost to get electricity off the grid.

You can be totally off the grid if you choose to be. And you can also power your fucking car with all this shit. And if the grid goes down, you can keep your power. Like, there's ways to set that up. I didn't. with all this shit. And if the grid goes down, you can keep your power. There's ways to set that up. What's interesting is when you put solar panels in your house, which I did, just try getting... It'll take you... The electric company, it's been three

months now, and they still haven't converted us. They just take their sweet time. What do you mean? They keep charging you? Yes. They have not yet given us the okay to switch over. What's the okay? They've got to just give you the okay. They have to give you some kind of a form.

So are you still spending money on electricity? Yes, I am. But is the electricity being generated by solar or by? By them still. They will not let us turn ourselves on yet. They won't let you turn your thing over. What the fuck is that? Until we get a permit.

And guess who has to do that? Some bureaucrat in the electric company. Whoa. So they're dragging their heels. They're trying to keep people from going solar. Yes. You sure about that? Are you sure about the oil prices too, man? Come on. I know these things. The government tinfoil conspiracy

man in me. I follow these things. I feel like there's got to be some way. Well, look, man. Here's how I feel. As far as conspiracy is concerned, I believe more in ignorance. So, you know, government is my buddy who works. I just was at his wedding. He said, he goes, if you think the government's really efficient, and he's talking about intelligence or any of that stuff. He goes, I've been in the inner circle.

He said, it's not. You just have to work for the government to know. Yes, we do some cool stuff. But this, a lot of it's just not as organized. I'm sure. And I was thinking about this. People tease me for being a history guy. I'm not like Dan Carlin, but I try to read my history.

I was thinking about this. You know, this new Harvard study just came out, and it said that 170,000 veterans from our recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, starting in 2003, we have 170,000 people that are 70% or more disabled. That is probably going to cost over their lifetime in the American economy, $6 trillion to care for those people, which you can, which according to the study, you could purse out to be 75 grand of an American family. Forget the cost. Forget the cost. Think about 170,000 people that are 70% or more disabled. These are veterans. These are people that answered the call and they're all fucked up. And I was thinking about how if the more you read about this war and how

we got into it, a lot of it was because we didn't know the history of that country. And a lot of it was because we didn't know the history of the entire region. And I would make that argument. And my point is that it's really easy for all of us as voters to go about life without doing the right investigation. So when you vote for somebody and you vote for a policy, most of us vote along party lines because our team is over here or because we're not a liberal or we're not a conservative, we're not a Republican, we're not a Democrat. Instead of looking at the world as, wait a minute, we're going to go into Iraq? Hmm, that's an interesting thing, man. How much do we know about the history? How much do we know about how that country's structured? And how much do we know about what's going to happen when we destabilize

that regime? And when most of Congress didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, which is so important in Middle Eastern politics, that schism. And we're voting in these policies. And I think that we could have avoided some major tragedy i i don't know you know i'm just saying that that the more you know the less likely you are to make these major fucking you know it's fucked too because you're kind of damned if you do and you're damned if you don't when it comes to iraq because if you think about leaving that guy there saddam hussein was a fucking piece of shit of epic proportion yes and his children were absolute serial killers. Yes.

His children, there is a story about him and his children from, I forget what magazine it was, maybe like Esquire or something like that from back in the day. GQ, something.

But it was a terrifying story of all the atrocities that his sons have committed, including taking women on their wedding day as they were being married, kidnapping them, raping them, and then feeding them to dogs. Yeah, Uday Hussein.

Feeding the husband to dogs. Uday Hussein used to do all kinds of sadistic things. But think about the untold misery that that entire region now over the past 15 years, or actually 13 years, has dealt with. Yeah. Think about how many children and how many people. Think about the Yazidi women sold off into slavery by these ISIL assholes

and the spawning of ISIL. I think they need to fucking come up with a standardized name. I'm tired of hearing ISIL, ISIS, ISIS. Just say Islamic State. The space station. There's too many different. There are. Too many fucking. ISIS, ISIL.

What the fuck? You're the first guy I've ever heard say ISIL. I've seen it written. I'm like, what is this? You know? I said it because it sounds fancy because I don't know what O. It's like when John Cougar Mellencamp turned into John Mellencamp. Yeah. Remember?

Yeah. What the fuck? He made a stand. You were John Cougar. He made a stand. He used to be John Cougar Mellencamp. No, he was John Mellencamp, right? No, he was John Cougar first. No, he was John Cougar Mellencamp. No, he was John Mellencamp, right? No, he was John Cougar first.

No, he was John Cougar Mellencamp, wasn't he? Then he changed his name. The first time he came out, I want to say he was John Cougar, and then he became John Cougar Mellencamp. His real name is John Mellencamp, obviously. Yeah. Oh, no, he didn't give himself the name Cougar. No, no, no.

I believe that the record company did. Here we go. Oh, that's terrible. Little diddy. By the way, great song. John Cougar titled Miami in Australia. What? Yeah, it's 1979.

It's called Miami in Australia? They call his album Miami or He's Miami? I don't know. Wait. But wait, John Cougar. I would have told the record company to go, fuck, that's a terrible... So the album is called Miami if you're in Australia. Australia's like, yeah, mate, we're not going to buy it, mate.

This whole thing with John Cougar, just John Cougar, it's not good enough. Mate, we need something spicy. Why don't you name it after Miami? Change your name to Joe Panther. We've seen girls from Miami. They have big asses. We like that. Call it call it Miami will sell more terrible Australian accent such in my best I only have a few Australian friends on the Bobby oh by

the way my second show for Melbourne is almost sold out. So if you're thinking about going, you fucks, you better act now. First one sold out. Selling out over oceans. Very close to selling out. Nice. You're famous. I haven't been to Melbourne. Never.

I'm excited. It's supposed to be like the San Francisco of Australia. Really? Like sophisticated and very just rich in culture. They supposedly have an amazing food scene. Like, the food in Melbourne is supposed to be spectacular. I keep hearing that. I saw an Anthony Bourdain episode about it, too.

He went there and sampled some of the cuisine. I've not watched enough of Anthony Bourdain. He's the best. I love the shit out of it, too. He's my boyfriend. You love him? He's great. Yeah.

He's 58 years old. The guy gets into jujitsu. He just earns his blue him. He's great. Yeah. He's 58 years old. The guy gets into jujitsu. He just earns his blue belt. It's fantastic. He's a junkie when he was younger, like almost overdosed and died. Smoked cigarettes until he had a kid. Had the kid said, you know what? I got to quit smoking cigarettes.

Had a kid like 50, you know? I mean, I just love him. It's a great second act. He's a bad motherfucker. And it's also, I like the fact that he's a real artist, like with food. It made me, watching his show, the No Reservation show, made me reconsider what food is. Not, you know, I always appreciated food, but I always said, oh, this guy, this restaurant's great. Like, we used to go to great restaurants all the time. And you'd be like, oh, I found this great Italian place.

We'd go, have a bottle of wine. Oh, this food's awesome. But I didn't think about the food as. The artistry. Yes. Yeah, the creativity that goes into, like into changing something, turning it on its ear. Yeah. At this wedding, I had some salmon and some steak.

And salmon and steak is pretty standard. And I've been alive a long time. And I ate that salmon and that steak with a certain sauce on it. And I stopped. I stopped. And I went, all right, hold on. Something is going on here. And I'm having a little issue because I've never had salmon like this.

And for me to say I've never had sandwich I've eaten one million times or I've never had steak that tastes like this, that's a big fucking deal. Especially because I really pay attention. And I ran down there and I saw this cook with a ponytail, kind of a skinny dude. And I was like, what are you doing? What happened? He goes, Oh, do you like it? I said, yeah, I like it. It's a little transcendent. That's how, if you know me, I'll get exaggerated. And I even, and, and I said, and correct me if I'm wrong, sir, but you cut small pieces here and you are taking into consideration the relationship between the meat and your crazy delicious yam cake. Yeah.

And this sauce that looks like it was made in heaven. I've never seen green that you kind of spill just so. It looked like a fucking green pond that I could drink from. Meanwhile, he goes, he looks at me, he goes, yes, he said, relationship is very important as is proportion. Most people think they need to create a big piece. But the minute you see it, I go, I finish the sentence. I go, I want more. He goes, exactly.

Here's why he's wrong, because he's never had barbecue in Texas. If he did, he would want to eat until his fucking body wanted to explode. I had a bunch of fixins. I went to this place called Black's that was outside of Austin. It is the oldest barbecue place in Texas. I put a picture of it up on my Instagram of the food. Me and Aubrey and my buddy Ben O'Brien, we had the most insane beef ribs I've ever eaten in my life.

Beef ribs are generally kind of chewy. Not these fucking things. They cooked them for years. They shot that cow in the 80s and they've been cooking them ever since. Aubrey brought some into the office. I think it was from Black's. It's the best barbecue I've ever had. He brought it from Frederick's, which is another insane place.

But that's in Austin. See that on the left? That piece of meat? That was so fucking insanely tender and delicious. That place, apparently it's a real landmark in Texas. Blacks, like everything else was really good. Like the spare ribs were good.

The brisket was really good. But god damn, if you go there, you gotta fuck with those beef ribs. They're insane. We were all just blown away. The three of us were like, what the fuck, man? And we ate until we almost exploded. Yeah, that looks ridiculous. Yeah.

Go eat at Black's and then go to the Honor Academy and go have John Wolfe take you through one workout. Oh, he's great. Dude. He's great. I was like, hey, John, what do you, like, first of all, he couldn't be thicker. I was like, what do you, what's your nationality? Very flexible. He's ridiculously flexible with long arms.

He's like, yeah, I'm Japanese, Mexican, and English. Interesting. Very warlike combination of people. Very warlike. He's the sweetest guy ever. He's the last guy I would ever call warlike. No, sweetest shit that can put you in a world of pain with no weight. Just using body weight.

Oh, yeah. He has a crazy hip complex series that he does. Which we did. Yeah. Oh, it's amazing, right? It's so weird. Like, you get weird pain afterward. You're like, ow, why is the inside of my dick hurting?

It's like... It's so true. He makes you do all this crazy shit with your legs. He's like, we're just going to take you to some mobility exercises. I was like, all right. Well, Aubrey and I were there for my show. I did a show at the Moody Theater, which is insane. Probably one of the best shows of my life.

It was amazing. It's crazy. God damn, I love Austin, Texas. So do I. Fuck, I love that place. But we did this place, this Moody Theater. And before the theater, we worked out at the Honor Gym and then went to the Zero Gravity Float Spa that they have there. So we had a perfect day.

But when we were there, John was doing his certification seminars. He does these Onnit certification seminars and shows these potential trainers, people that want a career in the fitness industry, shows them all sorts of different ways to work out. He's a scientist. Oh, yeah, you know I was telling you about This guy working out with Lou Parada who is Old-school bodybuilder strong man. He's 60 almost 59. How's he look he looks fantastic

He's he's he's originally from North Italy So he's got that Austrian like he's just got huge hands and a big kind of strong job. Oh, yeah he's but but when you say crazy like he's the guy who'll take you for 20 minutes and work you out and target your muscles in a certain way. And you're like, this isn't doing, I just feel like I could do more. And then the next day, you're sore as shit. Like, he just, he's a scientist. He knows, he's got 160 clients.

And it's because he just knows what the hell he's doing. And you're in and out in 20, 25 minutes. Well, if you could still look good in your 60s. Oh, he looks fantastic. Ripped? What's his dick taste like? I'm glad you asked. We don't, I don't do that.

Fucking child I am. I couldn't, I was like, I shouldn't have asked that. You had to. I'm like, you have to. I always do. That's all I do. That's all I do. I'm such an idiot.

I'm such an idiot I'm such an idiot Such a child So what does he look like Like in his 60s Pull a picture of this gentleman up He's 60 Lou Parada Parada P.E.

He's at P-Fit gym on Lincoln If you guys want to go I'm always impressed with dudes Who are in their 60s That look great He's 59 Like Steve Maxwell Deep in his 60s

Is he 65 That dude's a stud It's an animal All he does Goes all over the world and trains people. Wow. Just little seminars. So what's his philosophy?

He's a fascinating guy. He has a lot of philosophies. He's a very intelligent guy. And he's very well-read when it comes to ancient methods of fitness. There he is. That guy's 60 years old? Yep. He looks great.

I know he does. Lou Parada. That's amazing. He looks better than Red Band. Dude, I can't believe he's on there. Yeah, he looks amazing, dude. Yeah, his skin looks great.

Yep. He eats a lot of fruits and vegetables, some meat. He's working on that posture, though. What's up with that neck forward thing he's got going on there?

Straighten up, fella. He's been working out his whole life. Straighten his whole life straight more about shit He can he can he can do shit to you and by the way That's exactly what he looks like right now, and he can do shit to you that just he just targets those muscles So this is just he's giving people a stair workout all he's doing here is warming you up you do run you run Maybe 10 stairs just to warm up you're not gonna stretch beforehand He warms the muscles up, and then you just start slowly lifting.

And then by the time 20 minutes is over, you're begging for mercy. Yeah. They say not to stretch now before lifting weights and that stretching actually can take away some of your performance. Yeah. The problem with that is I wonder if that's the case with martial arts. Cause I,

I mean, I think there's a reason why people in ballet and dance and gymnastics stretch i don't know the gymnastics i might have made that up but certainly dance they stretch before they work out they stretch before they practice yes because i think martial arts there's a certain amount of flexibility that's necessary to achieve like that fluid motion like if you're bound up and tense and tight, you're not going to have the same sort of dexterity. You're not going to have the same ability to place your foot wherever you

want it to. You're going to be, there's going to be some resistance, but that resistance might actually be okay. If you're doing something like squatting or jumping, right. You know what I mean? Like I think there's a different need that the body has when it comes to

like, I've always been like real skeptical of people telling me not to stretch. There's a mean? Like, I think there's a different need that the body has when it comes to, like, I've always been, like, real skeptical of people telling me not to stretch. There's a way to stretch, I think, and I do agree. I think it depends on the kind of movement you're doing and stuff. But they say the first thing you want to do is warm the muscle up, but also overstretching. Like, a lot of yoga people develop arthritic conditions because the tendonsons are genetically you know you either have longer tendons or shorter tendons so in other words like a hinge of a door some people can only open their door this much other people can open their door all the way like you have very flexible you're

really flexible and so when people overstretch those tendons what happens is if the tendon is shorter and you're trying to make it longer, what'll happen is the joint will start to compromise and you'll pull more of the joint apart. Therefore you get water or, or, or air into that joint, which apparently is what creates an arthritic condition. So when you're constantly expanding and not doing some contractual work, that's where you're on. So it's like yoga people that are not lifting weights as well. Is that what it is? Yeah. If you're stretching too much and it does, it doesn't, it does weaken the muscle when you're stretching on, you know, cold, when you're cold and you're stretching and then you go and play soccer, a lot of girls, especially we're tearing

their ACL. And then when they had them start changing the way they trained, uh, more weight lifting, more, um, more warming the muscle up beforehand. That's how they were avoiding more of those ACL tears. That's fascinating. Yeah. It's, it's,, that's how they were avoiding more of those ACL tears. That's fascinating. Yeah. It's interesting how they learn. You do. Thank you.

Keep going. It's interesting how they learn, too. It's like they almost have to watch people fuck up and go, hmm, what's he doing wrong? Like, why is he getting injured? You know, one of the things Maxwell— That's kind of how I feel about everything in life. Sure. Of course. The next time we go into a war, like I was talking about, I hope that we learn and we go, what's the history of the region?

I mean, you learn by mistakes. You learn the hard way. Well, you should listen to Dan Carlin's series on World War I. Have you heard it yet? I have. I remember when he was talking about the difference between the World War I and the previous wars. And they had all these ideas about war chivalry honor standing up and all that shit went away and no i will keep because because with a machine gun

you you all die yeah well not only that they started introducing things like bombs and gas yeah fritz harbour well fritz harbour was a fascinating character yeah because you know the most fascinating yeah because he learned how he figured out a way to take nitrogen out of the air create ammonia this is from radio lab and uh that ammonia is what they think that half the population of the world today has fritz hopper nitrogen in their bloodstream the reason we can feed seven billion people and soon 10 billion is primarily because the process fritz hoper invented, which is getting nitrogen out of the air and into the soil, which is how you create fertilizer. Problem is, it's also how you create explosives and poison gas.

Well, he was the first one to figure that out, how to use poison gas on troops. Chlorine gas. So while he was being awarded a Nobel Prize of Science for creating the Haber Method, he was also being wanted for war crimes by the United States by gassing people. And the way they died, apparently, if you listen to the Radio Lab podcast, they drown in their own phlegm. Well, how about what they do, how they end it, which is he created an insecticide called Zyklon A, which is an insecticide. And the reason it has Zyklon A is because it has a certain smell to it. You put a scent in it so you know when it's in the air to avoid that area, the way they do with gasoline. Gasoline doesn't have that scent.

They put that scent in there. That's an artificial scent, so you know if there's a gas leak. And the same with Zyklon A. When the Nazis were figuring out what to do with their quote-unquote Jewish problem and they talked about the final solution they said let's let's use this Zyklon A and take the scent out it'll be Zyklon B and the irony is Fritz Haber who was a secular Jew who was a patriot a German, who figured out a way to feed half the world, his technology ended up killing his extended family and his friends.

It's kind of crazy, man. Yeah, he actually wound up leaving Germany, and he was ostracized by the rest of the world. It's a fascinating podcast. It's called The Bad Podcast. Yeah. It's one of the Radiol ones that is amazing there's a great one that got out now about elements about this woman who was going crazy and uh lithium

was the only thing that uh she's bipolar lithium brings her way back to normal lithium is just an element it's a salt apparently i didn't know that i thought i was like some sort of chemical you need to listen did you listen to crisper You need to listen to that. Did you listen to CRISPR? But this lithium thing that she's taking is killing her. It's killing her. It's causing her kidneys to fail. So she has to get off the lithium. And so they're talking to her while this is going on.

In the podcast, she's saying, like, this is so complicated for me because this is one thing that's killing me, but it's also allowing me to be me. Really, really fascinating. God damn. Yeah, CRISPR, we've talked about it a few times on this podcast, the me to be me. Really, really fascinating. God damn. Yeah. CRISPR, we've talked about it a few times on this podcast, the ability to manipulate genes. And this is the beginning.

CRISPR, if you've never heard that one, that's another great one. Radio Lab is the shit. It's a fucking amazing podcast. It really is. So interesting, you know? So many fascinating, fascinating subjects to cover. What would you do if they could manipulate your genes? What do you want different?

It's going to be a real problem when people do do it because there's going to be no regular people left. I think we're looking at life now as if you go back to the early forms of life that were on this planet, just single-celled organisms turned into multi-celled organisms. They evolved from random mutations and you know natural selection all the different various factors that cause a person to come out of the you know primordial slime that we originated from if you look at what we are now we look at all that it's

like this this is like how it progresses you know this is how a dinosaur turns into a bird and this is all we can see these are the early primates. You're speaking about evolution. You know, most of the Republican candidates don't want to talk about that. This is crazy. If you look at all that stuff, we look at this timeline. This is long, slow, crazy timeline. It's really difficult to trace for the average human mind. You know, you look at a primate and you look at a human. You go, well, human used to be something like that a long time ago.

What? Fuck. And, you know, and you see pictures of cave to be something like that a long time ago what? Fuck you know any we see pictures of cave people kind of get it, but that's 60,000 years ago We said well now a hundred thousand years ago million years ago. Whatever the fuck it was it seems so long It's hard. It doesn't really register. It's like when someone says a trillion dollars like um okay a trillion years I don't get it. You know It's gonna happen like that. There's going to come along technology. And I think it's only one part of the bigger problem.

I think our ability to control our own bodies is just a part of the evolution of technology. And the evolution of technology that allows us to do that is also going to create artificial life Which is many many more times complicated. Well, it takes the element of chance out of the entire equation. Yeah, so when we're able to control Exactly how we look and what we develop into and what we are resistant to It's kind of like what we're doing with crops and I think I also I feel like we are like what we're doing with crops and i think i also i feel like we are we are going to be able to take this machine which is what we are which is kind of a fascinating and incredibly complex machine but technology is going to render this machine kind of um obsolete i feel like i feel like ultimately we're going to trade in this machine for something that works a lot more

efficiently and lives longer and all that stuff. If you could do it, why not? Yeah, but that's even assuming that what we are is going to maintain. I think we are a technological caterpillar. That's what I think. I think we're a caterpillar that becomes a butterfly. And right now we're in the middle of making a cocoon. That's really interesting. I just don I think we're a caterpillar that becomes a butterfly. And right now we're in the middle of making a cocoon. That's really interesting. I just don't think this is a good design. You mean mentally as well? I think life.

I think if we create artificial life, we create some sort of an artificial thing that somehow or another profits on its staying alive. Like there's a reason why we want to stay alive. We want to procreate. We want to keep the human race alive. And we want to react to all of our instincts all of our natural instincts and the natural reward systems that have been put in place over the eons to make sure that we keep breeding and keep staying alive that's where your ego comes from that's where lust comes from and greed and jealousy all these things are like they're

motivating factors for you to improve on your your condition ultimately. And keep fucking and keep making more babies. Why are they covering thy neighbor's wife? Why? Because they want to fuck that bitch and shoot some loads into her and make a baby with her. Got to make babies. You got to keep going. I think that's a really shitty design.

And I think it ultimately, its main goal is to, for it, for the biological entity to create a more sophisticated and much more efficient entity. And that's what it's going to do. This is the caterpillar, and this caterpillar is going to become some indescribable butterfly, some butterfly that can manipulate its environment like never before, some butterfly that literally creates worlds.

If you extrapolate that, and if you then say, look, all my biological needs are taken care of. So I don't have to worry about disease. I don't have to worry about food. And I'm optimal. I'm optimal. My machine can adapt and it probably won't die. You're still left with something that's very interesting to me, which is now if you've taken out the equation, that sort of rudimentary need to procreate, that rudimentary need to replicate

yourself, that rudimentary need to sort of, or rudimentary might be the wrong word, but the need to be immortal, to keep your genes through whatever it is going, then you're kind of left with yourself and why. You know? Like, what am I doing pleasure well what is no pleasures different I think where you getting but with positive experiences right fun excitement pleasure what end positive know yourself better what are those things the question is what are those things what is positive what is love what is happiness what is friendship what is achievement all those things are the

rewards all those things are rewards for behavior that's ultimately going to lead to procreation bonding leads to community community leads to safety safety leads to your children surviving all those things are connected yes procreation um acquiring of things, becoming more valuable as a member of your community and more desirable as a possible breeding candidate. All those things, they all contribute ultimately to procreation. That's like a big part of what everything that we do is. But then there's another side, which is play you could define as that which you do for the sake of doing. And that's probably when you're most yourself.

So if play is the case, then it seems like we were just talking about this. People say, I don't know what to do with my life. And I always say to younger people, I'm like, look, man, I don't know what to do with your life either, but I do know that it's really fun to get good at a language. Like watching you play pool, that's a language. That's something you've come very close to being really, really good at, and you have a deep understanding of it. You gain a deep understanding, this great pleasure

in being fluent in a language like, say, pool, or jujitsu, or boxing, or even another language, or in an instrument like guitar. I think you develop an understanding, and sometimes that you can't necessarily put into words. It's something you have to experience. But God damn it, is it satisfying? And it's satisfying in and of itself. Okay, but why? Well, okay, so here's my answer.

I think, well, I don't have the answer, but I think it may lie in the area of understanding and coming closer to something maybe people call consciousness, coming closer to something that's bigger than yourself, communion with something that is without measure, but that you know is there. Don't you think, though, also that if you don't look at it like in some sort of spiritual way, but look at it in terms of just biology and natural reward systems that are put into place by success, success leading to procreation, people that are really good at things, you get good at things that are difficult to solve.

Solving puzzles is integral to survival. It's integral to innovation, Leads to more efficiency. More efficiency leads to more food. More food leads to people staying alive. The better you get at something. The more you're rewarded. With those positive feelings. Those natural reward systems.

That are put in place. To make sure that people figure out their fucking part on this world. Figure out their way through this life. Until they can invent artificial life. Get them hooked on material possessions. Get them hooked on this idea of getting the newest, greatest, latest shit. Get them hooked on technology.

You need a watch that you can swipe and you need all these different new crazy things. And the more these things get fueled the more the more the technology grows the more the technology grows the more the inevitability of an artificial life form exists okay but but here's here's what here's what i'm so blown away right now me too man but here take your pants off for a second um here's i came already oh boy shit here's where trip trip sorry I'm 48 trip no shots here's

here's what what I I think though so when you talk about technology most of us are talking about a tool you can use for the here and now

and and that technology allows you to speak to people more clearly and faster and get places faster and all that stuff. They're all tools.

But then there's another side to fucking reality that I'm fascinated with. And I don't know why it's there. But there's something that goes beyond experience. There's a reality that is beyond experience. And you know what I mean by that? I'll tell you. The number infinity is not something we'll ever see. But it's something we imagine and something we use in mathematics.

Negative numbers, negative integers and things are mathematical constructs that you can't actually see and don't have material measurement necessarily, but they are theoretical and we use them and benefit from it. Here's another great example the mathematician in 1860 who spends his whole life thinking of some weird mathematical equation it's got no bearing on the material world whatsoever until 150 years later and now we're using it to measure the difference between fucking you know know, the crater on Mars and how it relates to things like that. And I just think that sometimes whatever human beings have an imagination, it's put there. The imagination is put there somewhere.

And I'm not getting into this mystical stuff. I'm just saying, I am curious to know why, why we have what separates us from animals is potential. Why we have what separates us from animals is potential, is anything we can imagine seems to be within our reach in terms of reality. Eventually. Yes, and I think that nostalgia, that need to go physically further than we've ever gone before and mentally further than we've ever gone before, there is no limit we've ever gone before. There is no limit to human potential. There seems to be zero limit to human potential. To the point where we will render ourselves,

our very biology, and even our mental paradigms obsolete. Where we will achieve immortality. But wait a minute. Will we be we then? Exactly. But we won't. We'll be something better. That's what I mean. And what we'll be is something that we create. So we be we then? Exactly. But we won't. We won't be. We'll be something better.

That's what I mean. And what we'll be is something that we create. So you're essentially agreeing with me. I fucking am. We're going to create an artificial life form. Well, that artificial life form might be the butterfly, right? Yes. If we need absolutely to constantly innovate, and we do.

No one is ever going to look at a computer and say, we're done. No one's going to look at an iPhone and say, there's no need for the 6S. The 6 is perfect. Let's stop there. Who needs 12 megapixels? I got eight. I'm happy as fuck. I take great Instagram pictures. No, no one's going to be happy. We're going to get bored. And it's a part, it's an inexorable part of being a human. There's this weird thing you can't take out of us where we look with awe at the guy who decides to live in a log house and go fishing every day. It is a guy who lives off the land. What?

Like, they're so freaky that we have TV shows dedicated to them. Yes. Like, let's watch these people in Alaska. Well, they're walking anachronisms. Those are like throwbacks, right? I mean, that's what's interesting is that they're bucking the grid and saying, I can still do it the way we did 150 years ago. There's that.

And there's also the fact that they're out there braving the wild. They're braving the atmosphere. They're braving the harsh parts of the world that we don't want to visit. Like, that's the whole thing about Life Below Zero, that show that I love. It's 200 fucking miles above the Arctic Circle is where these people live, some of them.

You know? I mean, fuck, man. Sue Aikens, the chick that I had on the show, she's amazing. If you've never listened chick that I had on the show. She's amazing. If you've never listened to that podcast, it's one of the best ones I ever did. Really? Oh, my gosh. She's a fascinating woman, man. She's in her 50s, lives up in Alaska by herself in this fucking, you can't even have buildings up there because it's on this land that has to have temporary structures because of whatever goofy fucking law there's in place.

So she has tents. They're these giant tents with, like, hoop wires and, you know, very thick canvas. But they're fucking tents, man. And she's out there with grizzly bears and wolves. And everywhere she goes, she's strapped. She got attacked by a bear. Fucking bit her head, broke her hip, fucked her up. She went to the hospital. I mean, she was fucking on her back for, like, seven her hip, fucked her up. She went to the hospital.

I mean, she was fucking on her back for like seven days before they found her. She went to the hospital, got fixed up, went back, shot the fucking bear and ate it. She's the most gangster bitch on the planet. She's like right up there with Ronda Rousey. She's so gangster. Just Ronda if she's 50. This chick is hard fucking core. Fascinating, though.

Like, that this woman chooses to, that's where she's getting her jollies. There's her. That's her. I love that lady. That's her house, man. That's her fucking house. That's where she lives. See, it's got like a wooden side.

The top of that is all cloth. It's a tent. She lives up there alone. Yes. Doesn't she get lonely? She occasionally has visitors. No, she travels. She has children and grandchildren

she does whatever the fuck she wants but that's what those things look like they're they're they're they're temporary structures she gets her gas flowing in these gigantic planes and she fills uh planes up she's like a waypoint she owns like a filling station up there and that's how she makes her living and she also um people can come stay in, like she has structures up there. They can come stay and caribou hunt and do a bunch of different things. And she'll take people on like guided tours of the area now. It's especially, look at that. There's the place where she lives.

What's that? It's amazing. Oh, it's so amazing. She's incredible. But she's not just dealing with the environment. She's dealing with the animals environment she's dealing with the animals she's dealing with mortality and you know she's liz's assistant's lifestyle up there most of what she gets either she gets flown in or she shoots it and eats it go scroll back up to the top there was those who

are those people that she loves it too huh oh yeah cc she provides like this says hunting and fishing no those are caribou those are caribou antlers they have these crazy antlers those are actually reindeer i mean that's what a reindeer is so the relative of the reindeer like pretty similar so kavik where she's at she has these uh hunting camps to come up there because um these people see you have to you have self-guided camps she just the the caribou are up there, and they go by every year. There's like a time where they go up there. It's like August or some shit.

And during that time, that's when they fly people up there, and they go caribou hunting. But they'll walk by in these massive herds, hundreds and hundreds of caribou sometimes. And you just lay down, you pick one, and you shoot it. And you eat it, and you get hundreds of pounds of the most delicious meat you'll ever eat in your life. That's a moose, actually. Look at the size of that moose. Yeah, that's a different animal. But that's a moose, too.

But the other one were caribou, and they're unbelievably delicious, too. So are moose, man. I had some moose sirloin the other day that I cooked from last year when I shot that moose last year. I cooked it the other day. No, the food is so, that meat is so good. Like you, if you ate it at a restaurant, it'd be like your favorite meat ever, but they can't, you don't sell moose commercially. I still haven't gotten any from you. Dude, come over, man. When are you coming over? Come over. Let's cook.

Maybe I'll do it today. Come on over. After we cryo. Let's do it. Come on over, I'll cook for you. I asked it today. Come on over. After we cryo. Let's do it. Come on over. I'll cook for you. I asked Tim Kennedy. I was watching, talking to him as he was cryotherapying.

I said, do you shiver? He said, I do well with the cold. You're such a fucking stud. You get very excited about him. Yes, he's my boyfriend. Anthony Bourdain's yours and Tim Kennedy's mine. I fantasized about just being buddies. What would you guys do together most of the time?

Hunt wild boar on horseback with spears. Duh. That sounds like an ineffective way of doing it. Shoot guns and then cuddle and watch action films. Why don't you just shoot the boar with guns if you have guns? Because spears are more macho and you've got to have good throwing motion. Yeah. I've thought that

about bow hunting like why bow hunt why do you have to bow hunt because it's more of a challenge I guess but the idea of challenge is kind of dangerous or you're hunting I guess and also for the animal wounded I've been watching a lot of hunting shows where they show wounded animals with do you think you get tired of do you think like once the mystery of something goes away you you want to move on? Like what is it about archery? Oh archery is a great discipline. I love archery as a discipline Yeah, it's a fun thing to do like just shooting targets come on over the house, man We'll fucking shoot some targets today. I have to get one of my little girl bows out for you to use

I don't know 60 pound the 90s too hard for me. I don't use the 90 anymore. He's a 70 I think I pull back a 70 good night. You might is too hard for me. I don't use the 90 anymore. I use the 70. I think I can pull back a 70, couldn't I? You might struggle. You had a hard time with the 80 last time. Yeah. But it's hard, man. It's also something you shouldn't start out with.

Just start out with like a 40 or 50. Just to get used to that. Yeah, just get used to the motion and also get used to the fundamentals of archery. You don't want to be struggling with the bow while you're learning how to do it. I take creatine now. Do you? I do. Makes you bigger? Makes your face fat.

I'm a little thicker. I'm carrying water weight, you guys. Makes your face puffy. I look like I'm on my period. But it's just a fun thing to do, like lining up the target, keeping everything straight. And there's something that when you are doing something that's really difficult, like it's hard to get the arrow to go where you want it to go. It takes a lot of practice. I shoot about a hundred arrows a day, every day. I have archery targets all over my yard. I have like five of them, six of them in one side. I just ordered a giant elk. It hasn't gotten here yet,

but it's fucking huge rubber elk. Sounds like your priorities are where they should be. For me, they are. What do I want to do? What do I want a giant? Who's this giant rubber elk for it's Joe Rogan Oh, yeah, he's got a rubber pig as well They're very popular a lot of people have them a giant rubber elk that hunt With bow hunting with elk because you want to make sure that you're gonna hit that spot you want to and you looking at an animal Is different than looking at a target, you know and like, a lot of what archery is, is repetition. Repetition and muscle memory. And it's got to, like, be ingrained in your mind how you line a shot up and what are the movements when you release that arrow.

See, I love all that stuff. Yeah, it's great. I just, like, that's why, like, you know, boxing. I just like, that's why, like, you know, boxing, I'm like working out with someone like at Boxing Burn, this guy, Chris Van Aerden, who's fighting for the IFO or IBO title. He's defending his international title on Spike TV. What is it? Anyway, and he like just learning how, like, just like the intricacies of boxing. I know I'm never going to master it or get really good at it, but I just like reaching.

Right. I like just reaching. If you think about it, at 48 years old, it's silver. What's going to happen? I'm going to be thrown into, when the Mongols come,

they're going to throw me into a pit. Ha ha, you have to box that guy. Let's bet on him. And all of a sudden, I'm going to surprise everybody with my fucking, my jab, bop, bop, bop. You'd be like Brad Pitt

in that movie, Snatch. That's all I want to be. You'd be a ringer. I just want to be a gypsy fighter with that body. You want to talk like that, too? That's what I want to talk i just want to be a gypsy fighter with that body you want to talk like that too like a gypsy yeah man getting good at things is fun i mean but you know the ultimate question like we were

talking about before is like why is it fun like what is it about it i don't know but i just know that for me to stay happy and this is my own craziness, I need to constantly be engaged in things that challenge me. That's it. I've tried a bunch of other ways to be happy. I can't just chill out and relax all the time. It's just not in me. I'm not mean either. I'm the same way.

But I like to relax. Like, I do love relaxation. But I have to feel like I've earned it. I don't like regular laziness, like waking, baking, and getting up. That leaves me with this hollow anxiety. I can't do that. I've tried it. I've tried to just be lazy. It fucks with my head too much. I agree. I can only appreciate watching television or going to the movies if I've done my work. If I haven't done my work, I don't... And there i don't you know and there's happiness

in achievement too there's happiness in getting shit done yeah but that's also that also goes back to what we're talking about where like i'm trying to work on this new hour now now i shot my one hour i'm editing it and i'm throwing all that away and you got to start with new stuff right what drives me actually i swear to god is not laughs i've had enough laugh you know you can get inoculated to that. That's a beautiful thing to get a lot of laughs. But what was more important is I want to see what else I can come up with. I want to see if I can tap into my real potential and come up with something even better.

Of course. And that challenge is, again, going, what is my potential? Like, what do I really have in me? And how much time, if I spend like eight hours a day thinking about it as opposed to two hours a day? That's what nags at me. It's also you realize as you know an artist man as an artist You're constantly growing and you're constantly getting that's one of the number one problems with older comedians that have the act from 20 years ago We've seen those guys before Time passes you by

Comedy is like a sandcastle you build it i mean people can look at the photos of it from the from the past but you got this shit's gone it's gone and once it's gone it's gone like if lenny bruce came back from the dead today and went up saturday night at the comedy store he'd eat a plate of dicks yeah he'd die he would because the culture has changed if you go and listen to his and i'm not a hater at all. I mean, I think Lenny Bruce is the most important figure in all of stand-up. He's the original. He's the godfather.

You go over to my house, I have Lenny Bruce posters. I have a concert poster from the Fillmore. I have one of his concert movies that's framed in a poster. To me, he's's like that was the original He fucking took a lot of crazy chances and got arrested for it and really ultimately went crazy The last parts of his life were him going to court doing heroin died on his fucking bathroom floor doing heroin Just he was going to court all the time and he would do shows where he was completely gone He would just read legal transcripts to the audience.

There's video of it. You can watch it. I bought a bunch of these videos and watched them with VHS. I was like, wow, this guy just went crazy. At the end, he was just going through, so dig, the judge says, and he's reading these transcripts with no comedy. There was nothing funny about it. He just lost all of his point

and was obsessed with this. So he laid the foundation. He laid the groundwork for guys like you and me and everybody else. Everybody else does stand up. But wouldn't work today if he had the same act. If he was alive today, he'd figure it out. He'd figure out.

He's a comic. He'd figure it out. But he'd have to grow. Everyone has to grow. Your comedy grows, and it changes as the culture changes. If you go back to, like, Eddie Murphy Raw, there's some fucking terrible homophobic shit in Eddie Murphy Raw. For real. I was there. I went to the actual concert.

But did you think it was terrible and homophobic at the time? Not then. No, it was okay. It was acceptable. It's weird how it goes. And that was when I wasn't, I've never been, you know, I've always been sensitive to people's feelings. I was never wanted to gang up on somebody who was gay, but I just didn't think of it as something that was bad. Oh, speaking of which, I forgot to bring this up.

I wanted to, Jamie, go to my Twitter page. And there's a tweet that I posted today about this woman from Kentucky that is the Kentucky clerk denies marriage license under God's authority. There's a video of these guys. Did you see the video? This is a new one. This is from today. This is a new person.

There was the other person. This is a new person. This woman is talking to these gay guys that want to get married and she won't let them and they're saying under who's authority the video would drive you crazy put those on check this out go full screen because this is awesome

under who's authority are you not issuing marriage licenses today? Because I'm not. Under whose authority are you not issuing marriage licenses? Under God's authority. Did God tell you to do this? Did God tell you to treat us like this? I've asked you all to leave. You are interrupting my business. You can call the police if you want us to leave.

You can call the police. It's awesome. Yeah. This is a change. It's awesome. Yeah. This is a change. It's what makes our country modern. Well, this is a shift in culture. I mean, this is like that woman that's saying that is crazy. She's locked in an ideology, and her very job relies on the government.

I mean, the government is telling her. I mean, she's a government employee. The government is telling her that you have, I mean, that's what the government is telling her. I mean, she's a government employee. The government is telling her that you have, I mean, the Supreme Court has made a decision. You have to allow these people to get married. And she's like, nope. I believe in God first. Well, I think, though, that

we also have to recognize, I don't agree with her because I'm not a religious guy, but it is a matter of faith for her. And if she's going to be a government employee, though, she's got to uphold the law of the land. And we live in a secular society, which is a separation of church and state.

Do we really? What about one nation under God? That's the same state that wanted to teach. It's the same state that wanted to teach. The school board wanted to teach creative design instead of evolution. Isn't that the same state where they get the devil statue now? They have to have a devil statue? Which state has to have a devil

statue because the Satanists won the religious right to put a devil statue or the Jesus statue? That's hilarious. They have equal representation. Pagans, you mean? No, no, no. No, Satanists. Satanists? Yeah, no Satanists. That's hilarious. Satanist statue. Find out where the fuck that is. This is where it gets crazy, though. This is really where it gets crazy. Detroit? No.

I don't think that's it. There's one in the south, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. What's that one, July 6th, right there above Fox News? That's probably the most, whenever in doubt and you're looking for something ridiculous, Fox News. Yeah. I mean, it's a difficult thing, though, because if somebody has a strong religious conviction, for example, and they're pro-choice because they think that, I mean, pro-life because though because somebody has a strong religious conviction for example in their their pro-choice because Detroit I mean pro-life because they think that abortion is murder go back to that so we can see that that was awesome

Look at the statue. It's a pretty cool statue by the way. Look at it. It's amazing It's pretty dope. So I guess it is Detroit. I felt like it was happening somewhere in the south God look at that. Yeah, that's the angel Lucifer, right? Look at that goat head. Well, it's a satanic statue that I believe they're putting up as a goof. The satanic temple. File photo provided by the satanic temple. By the way, I've been accused of being a satanist. What?

Yes. I went to Duncan Trussell, performed at one of the Lavays. What's his name? Something. The son or the grandson or something like that, was getting married. Duncan Trussell performed his satanic puppet show at this guy. And I went there and I wore the guy's T-shirt. Now there's videos accusing me of being a Satanist.

I just like to clear the air. I am neither a religious person nor am I an anti-religious person. I am not a Satanist, but I have done mushrooms and I've done like some pretty powerful psychedelic drugs. So the possibility of there being another much more powerful and wise force out there, it does not escape me. I think it is absolutely possible that there's something way more wise than us that we're not totally in touch with, but I also don't think it has a dick. So I don't think it's a he, I don't think it's a his. Yeah. We either do Christians, either do Muslims, either Jews. But why do they say in his presence?

Because- His word. If you were to, for example, give a name to- Yahweh. You can say Allah and Yahweh, but Yahweh among the Orthodox is to trample on their sensibilities because when you give a name to God,

okay, when you give a name, when you say God is... This is what's heretical about the idea of Jesus Christ to Jews and to Muslims, because if you create parameters around God, if you suggest God is a man or a woman, if you suggest God has a name, then you are assuming to understand his greatness

and his infinite presence. Are you hypnotizing me while you're rubbing your forearm hair? Yes, I am. I'm saying this at the same time. I feel like locked into your gaze. That's what happens when I start talking about religion. God is a dick. But here's my question. I think

Christianity is a powerful religion when used... So a lot of Christians just preach love and doing unto others as you'd have them do unto others. It's got powerful conversion ability. Some people who saw nothing and find inspiration and love through God. Listen,

I'm not a religious guy, but I respect whatever that conversion can be, because a lot of good things are done in the name of Jesus Christ, just as a lot of suppressive things can be done in the name of your God. So I'm not so ready to condemn all religion. Good things can be done. Why are they done in the name of something that's not real? And why does that make that something not real more valuable? What's done is what's good.

But now hold on. Because when you say it's not real, people have inspiration and deep feeling. Not real. From their religion. Digging holes. No. Hammering nails. Building buildings.

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you. What Donald Trump does, that's real. Yes, yes. Son of Building buildings. Sir, I'm going to have to ask you this. What Donald Trump does. That's real. Yes, yes. Son of a bitch. He's a builder. I think religious communion, prayer, meditation, and things, is good for making you, it does make people more humble.

Well, any sort of inspiration is good. Anything that motivates you is good, especially if it motivates you in a positive way. It's good. But the real problem becomes when someone like this lady decides that those two guys can't get married because her God prevents it but the founding fathers had an answer that which was to separate church and state until the George Washington came along right then we had to jump back in the religious game and then Ronald Reagan came along we jumped into the religious game with politics well now

you you know to get to get elected've got to believe in Jesus Christ. This is a Christian nation. You have to. You literally do. You have to be a Christian. This is a Christian nation. Christian nation. Well, it's not supposed to be.

It's supposed to be a nation. One nation under God was only created back when the McCarthy era was going on. There are parts of this country where when, when you perform and you, you say the word Jesus, the room gets very quiet. You got the wrong places. You're going to the wrong spots. You just stand up where that doesn't, they should know you by now. You should be able to do anything you want. Yeah. Well, I do. Speaking of Kentucky, there's a thing that I posted that was fucking fascinating about the dangers of misgendering someone. Oh, God. That Gad Saad posted it, and I retweeted it.

It is adorable, and it's the fucking lunacy that's going on in colleges these days. You're supposed to walk up to someone and say hi nice to meet you What pronoun should I use for your name? Yes? It's called fucking lunacy. It's lunacy That's the that was the direction they said that you hear it because you don't want to miss gender Academics have created a tyranny. There's a tyranny to how you have to walk around and speak They even want to control what you say in the bedroom. It's called tyranny. In the name of equality, and in the

name of tolerance, and in the name of protecting the disenfranchised and the marginalized, we have created a fucking tyranny. I can't stand the academic world for that reason. They drive me nuts. How does it happen, though? Because they're so important when it comes to education.

The same way anything happens. Distribution of information is so important, but socially, there's this oversensitive... Why? Because they're spineless to the small majority of lunatics that make a lot of noise. And, you know, I'm sorry to say this, and I admire a great deal of professors. I've interviewed a number of them. They're awesome. And thank God for professors.

And thank God for our academic hotbeds that come up with all these ideas. But at the same time, a lot of academics are just terrified to make a stand. They're fucking spineless because they live in a very safe and closed environment. And they can't speak common sense a lot of times. Like, you people are assholes. But doesn't that lead to what we were talking about earlier? We were talking about what people can tolerate, that people are tough because of the environment that they grow up in. And it's one of the reasons why people don't respect spoiled

people. It's one of the reasons why people don't respect people who grow up rich. Well, academics to a certain extent are spoiled in the fact that they don't have to compete in the real world. Of course. What they do is they exist in a very insulated world where they take classes from people who have also gone through the system. Then they become teachers. And when they become teachers, then they have this oppressive power over the people in their class. And the people in their class have to listen to their ideology.

But they're also living under oppressive power. They're living under a protocol, an academic protocol. If you ever try to get an academic to talk about anything that he's not 100% certain about, boy, are they terrified. And the academic world is about the nastiest place in the... Talk about a battlefield of ideas. When you come up with an idea that's controversial, like Steven Pinker, who said that human beings are not born a blank slate, or that aggression is rewarded in indigenous

cultures holy shit was he lambasted yeah he got in a lot of trouble you know there's a lot of science of course backside up look at this this office for diversity and inclusion yeah and look at the gender binary. He, she, her, him, hers, his, and then gender neutral. They, them, theirs, and then pronunciation as it looks. But look at this. Look at Z, her, and hers. H-I-R-S. H-I-R-H-I-R-S.

Look at that. Z-H-E-E. H-E-R-E. H-E-R-H-E-E H-E-R-E H-E-R-E-S. So hears. They're creating a new language. Z-H-E-A-R-S. These are fucking gender neutral pronouns that they've invented.

They've invented gender neutral pronouns. This is insanity. I don't think that kind of stuff sticks. I think it's just too crazy. They're trying. But they're trying. This is college. This is's just too crazy. They're trying, but they're trying. This is college. This is the University of Tennessee at Nashville. They're not just trying, they're enforcing. They're born enforcers. If you

listen to these people, they are not tolerant people, nor are they nice people. But have you seen the woman? Have you seen the woman? The photo of the woman who is running this? It's wonderful. It's wonderful. She's perfect. It's in the comments. If you look at the tweet that I found, it's in my tweet.

Somebody posted a photograph of this. Is she gigantic? Yes, of course she is. Of course she is. Of course she's... Is she angry? I don't know if she's angry. She doesn't have to be angry.

Well, how about the woman who was talking about, there was a girl in college who said that we, she was trying to push through legislation within the college about microaggression. And we've got to monitor microaggression. So even your facial, your facial,

and this is Orwellian. This is exactly what George Orwell wrote about in 1984, thought crime and face crime. It's alive and well. Human beings love having control over other human beings. It is so, we all have it. I have it.

We all have it. If I was emperor of the world, I know exactly what I'd do. I want that power so I can do all kinds of stuff. Because I think, and I'm speaking for myself, I think I'm so fair and I'm so nice that I can make everything better. Never give anybody power. There you go. Oh, there you are.

There you go. There you are. Oh, there you are. There you go. There you are. Look at her. Yeah. I grew up with this. I went to high school with this shit up in Massachusetts. I know all about it. It's madness.

It's madness. Because, first of all, I hate to say that. You hate to judge someone based entirely on their appearance. But if someone's morbidly obese, that person does not have good judgment in their own biological management. The management of their own body has been grossly inept. Mismanaged. That's a very interesting way of putting it. It's the only way to look at it. She also can't be too happy with herself. This is not a poor person, okay? This is a person who works at a university, okay?

She can't, that's also probably not happy with herself, probably socially awkward, which, you you know no one can fault anyone for those things the problem is when someone is in that predicament and they're choosing to dictate the rules of engagement that other people have because what you're doing by creating all these gender neutral pronouns and these new words ways of you're you're trying to nerf the world that's what you're trying to do you're trying to take away the awkwardness of a boy who looks like a girl being called a girl. When he's like, no, I'm a boy. Oh, sorry.

Well, fuck, man. You look really close to being a girl. I'm sorry. I'm not an asshole. I'm allowed to say that. Yeah, but you're not. Okay? Or a girl who decides she's a boy and she wants to be referred to as a boy. She wants to be referred to as a he. Okay, well, once you tell me that, I'm okay with it. I don't mind.

You know, if you say your name is Greg and your real name that you were born with was Donna, it doesn't bother me. I'll call you Greg. It doesn't bother me. But to say that I'm the asshole because something that's completely outside the norm is weird and sticks out. No.

No, no, that's wrong. You know, like, it's, like, I don't like this vitiligo thing that I have on my hands. It's weird. You know, and if I get really tan, then it really shows up. But I'm white, so it's not that bad. But when people go like, what's that on your knuckles? I don't like that I have to tell them.

But of course I go, oh, it's vitiligo. It's a disease. I wish I didn't have it. Right. But I do have it. So I don't get upset if somebody asks me a question. Right. It's a normal question to ask. my knuckles look different than the rest

of my hand it makes sense that they would want to know what's going on this isn't this is not like a microaggression this is human curiosity that's something that's abnormal yeah it's not a bad thing that it's abnormal it's not a bad thing you think there's a gender issue yeah you wish you were a woman when you were born a man or you wish you were a man or you were born a woman. It's not a bad thing. It's just it is. There is a difference, though.

And I think that what we're experiencing now with the transgender movement and even to an extent the gay movement is the pendulum swinging all the way in one direction. And it's a reaction to the fact that, and this is just a fact, when you were a man or a woman and you felt overwhelmingly like you were a different sex and you took measures to correct your current sex, or you just dressed up in a way that made you feel more yourself. So if you're a man and you're dressed in drag or whatever as a woman, or for that matter, if you were gay and you started having feelings when you were pretty, the problem was that in most of our history, you got the fucking shit kicked out of you. You got killed.

You got killed. You got targeted. You lost your job. You got ostracized. Yeah, and that anger and that injustice doesn't go away. And so you have a lot of people that have, that memory is very fresh. That wound is very raw. So let's have some fake pronouns.

The way to not solve that is then try to control the majority of the population's behavior. What about Zier? Z-H-E-R-E? Zier. They have those. Zier. That's one of them. Yeah, I know.

Listen, I went to high school in Massachusetts. I remember when I had to say, I couldn't say freshman. I had to say fresh person. I dated a girl who graduated from Wellesley College with a degree in women's studies. Wellesley. Women's studies. It's all about women. Yeah, I know.

It's wonderful. Good times. She didn't shave her legs. There was a white girl who I... How about that? I suffered. I dated a white girl.'s wonderful. Good times. She didn't shave her legs. There was a white girl who I... I suffered. I dated a white girl. I didn't even care. She didn't shave her legs?

Yeah, it's very European. No, it's very hippie, bro. That's what I mean. It has nothing to do with European. That's what I mean. Fine, but her roommate was Greek. I got in trouble for this. Guess what her feet looked like.

Greek women. Bilbo Baggins. Greek women are hot, though. Hairy feet, bro. She had hairy toes. Hairy feet and hairy toes. This was the girl you were with? Nope, the other girl.

Her roommate. When you're younger, man, you'll fuck a bear. It doesn't matter. I mean, I don't give a shit. No, she was beautiful, but she was blonde. She was a pretty girl. The roommate. There was a girl I dated who was a liberal white girl.

Oh, Jesus, that's not real. There was this white girl and she, and she majored in African studies in college. And I went and all I did was this. I go, why? Cause I knew the answer was she was a liberal white girl and just wanted other black people to be like,

I, you're my favorite white. You're my favorite white. And you understand us and you're down with our cause. I know it wasn't because she was interested in African studies. Why not? Because I said, why? Why did you choose to study African studies, not that there's anything wrong with it,

and not say what you come from, like European history? Why would you care what she studies, Bill? I just wanted to know the answer. Okay, and what was her answer? She said, her answer was, I wish, she wasn't even into black guys. She goes, I find that question offensive. And I said,

that's what I thought you'd say. Oh, that's hilarious. That's what I thought you'd say. Why I find that question offensive. Because I'm not prejudiced at all. That's a good question. It's a good question if you say, like, I'm a professional poker player. Oh, why? It's a fair question. Or how to, well if you say, like, I'm a professional poker player. Oh, why? It's a fair question.

Or how to, well, maybe you wouldn't say why. Yeah, you wouldn't say why. But you would say, what do you like the most of it? I want to be a professional poker player. Why? Yeah. That's a good question. That's a real question. If you said, I want to be a professional poker player, I would definitely say why. People ask me if they want to be actors, and I ask them why all the time. Why? What is it about acting that you want?

Pay attention to that now. Hold on. Do you want what you see at the awards, or do you really want to be an actor? I want to be like Kanye West. Yeah. He's not even an actor. But he could. Kanye West and Donald Trump, in my opinion, in many ways, are my least favorite Americans.

How dare you? No, no. I'm not talking about the politics or anything else. I just think, and I have a thought about that. I actually think that they would have benefited a great deal, and they're accomplished people. Don't say slavery. No. They would have been.

Donald Trump would have been a great slave. Sir, I think they would have benefited a great deal. Follow me on this line of logic. Okay, I'm trying. I don't think they've ever been punched in the face well and hard by somebody who knows how to punch. And here's what I mean. The first time I got punched in the face, I actually got kicked in the head by a black belt. And I got knocked out.

It hurt so badly, I fucking renounced God. You know, I was just like, Satan. Did you believe in God before you got hit? No, but I mean, in other words, I was like, I thought I was the center of the universe. And I got kicked in the head and I fell forward. I woke up and I was like, I quit everything. I want my mom and a warm glass of milk and i want a nap right and it it was a seminal moment when i was 18 because i realized i was definitely not the center of the universe and i was definitely not the tree i was just a tiny leaf on a very big tree that um you know

could be plucked very easily it was kind of a profound moment because that kind of pain and that kind of vulnerability where I realized, oh man, it's easy to kill me. You don't think Donald Trump has gone through a ton of adversity? I don't know, but he doesn't act like it. He acts like a successful guy that's rich as fuck and insulated. That's what he acts like. And a guy who knows a lot of the people at the top and thinks they're dopes. He acts like a guy who donated a shitload of money to Hillary Clinton's campaign so that she came to his fucking wedding.

And she did. And she did. Okay? I love it! So when you recognize that, then you kind of understand why he acts the way he acts. Yeah. If you walked into a room full of retards. See, he just feels like the king.

If you walked into a room full of retards and you had a rifle in your hand and you said, sit the fuck down. I'm running this town now. Okay. Cause you retards have been out shooting my cows and fucking my dog and lighting my house on fire. Everybody sit the fuck down. Well, in a lot of ways to a guy like Donald Trump, when he's talking about all these people

in Congress that didn't know the difference between the Shiite and the Sunni, when he's talking about all these people that did make these decisions based on shitty evidence, when he's talking about all these fucking people that are secretly playing poker on their fucking cell phones and they're making gigantic decisions or jerking off under the table and they get caught. He knows that. He's been around too long. I'm not saying I support him. No, no, no.

I hear what you're saying. I don't like his arrogance. I don't like what he said about Mexicans, especially. No. That's so, it's short-sighted, and it's neglecting. It's also bullshit, building a wall around the center. See, neglecting what's the difference between Mexicans and Americans in the first place. It's just luck.

Yes. It's luck and opportunity. They're all just human beings that got unlucky. If you were born in fucking Juarez, you would be just like them. So fuck off. So when he says that kind of shit... Especially him. You got lucky, bitch. You got lucky. You got lucky you weren't born in Tijuana. If you were,

you'd be just like them. He was born to a father who had a lot of money. That's right, son of a bitch. But that's why he's like he is. I do think this. What do you think of this? When we... A big chief concern always in elections is the economy. And I'm always

fascinated that we never hire economic studs, guys who actually made a lot of money in the economy and competed. Instead, we hire government bureaucrats. And I don't know what the answer is, but it seems very counterintuitive for voters to vote for, say, a guy like Barack Obama,

who actually didn't leave any... He never really worked in the... He was a community organizer. He never had a real job. And then he had kind of okay grades, I think, at Occidental, and then I think Columbia. And then he taught at Harvard, left no academic papers or legacy, and then was kind of greased into being a senator and didn't leave any legislative legacy. And you look at the guy, and he's a really good speaker, and he seems sensible and fair, but it's interesting that we voted for him, and I voted for him, primarily on the idea that he was black and different and sent a good message to the world or a thousand reasons. But I know I wanted to show the world that we weren't a prejudiced nation after the

war and that we were a progressive group of people and that Obama did seem really sensible and he seemed fair and he seemed thoughtful. So I'm kind of, I'm criticizing myself for this, but I think it makes sense to vote for somebody sometimes. Republicans make it fucking so hard to vote for them, but I just feel like if you really care about the economy, vote for a guy who had to really compete and win in the economy. They might have a better understanding and perspective. Right, but would they be the best qualified dealing with social issues? I don't know. Would they be the best qualified to deal with international dilemmas?

Well, international probably, but social issues, I think the best way to deal with social issues is to do exactly nothing, maybe. Do you think that it's possible that the whole idea of being a president is just antiquated? It's all just some alpha male primate monkey shit, we have to have a top dog? No, because the way the presidency, the way our government is organized is fantastic in a lot of ways. In terms of the president still has veto power but needs two-thirds of the majority. That didn't stop us from going into the Iraq war, which is what you originally talked about. Yes, that's true.

And also, if you look at the president, like if he relies on Congress and Congress relies, I mean, all those laws that are set up in place to make sure that he doesn't have like ultimate power. Why do I see there in the first place? Why do we why do we have that? Why do we need one person? Why is there supposed to be one? Because because ultimately you need one. Ultimately, the responsibility of president is when you have six different sources, the State Department and the Intelligence Department, all these people coming to you with the options.

You do need a decision maker. Really? One guy? That seems so ridiculous. It's never one guy. It's just never one guy, though. If he really is that good, why would he have Joe Biden as his second guy? Just stop and think about that. Well, Joe Biden's been in government for a very long time. When you watch the Joe Biden steroid hearings, when he's talking about steroids, when the congressional baseball hearings. He's so silly.

Yes. He's such a silly man. He's considered a blowhard by a lot of people on the other side of the aisle. Oh, yeah. Joe Biden, if you talk to anybody who's been in government a long time, he's kind of a blowhard. I mean, he's a blustery guy. Silly guy.

Yeah. He really shouldn't be the top dog for the fucking country, but he's one heartbeat away from being the top dog in the country. Yeah, a vice president has always been what your president allows it to be. So a vice president is typically a ceremonial title where you go to different ceremonies, but it's never been. It's really interesting. It's an interesting role because it can be a very, very sort of amorphous, vacuous, pointless job.

It had been up until Dick Cheney. It's one of the reasons why Dick Cheney snuck in. The puppet master, he figured out, like, I'll just take this gig that Dan Quayle had. You know, I mean, I'll take this gig that really dumb motherfuckers had yeah except Al Gore Al Gore was pretty well respected Smart guy he was respected in some circles, but Al Gore never had Much of a backbone Al Gore was always criticized for never really having a strong position on much So but if you look at a guy like a Obama, what he's like is like a really strong headliner that takes a shitty opening act with him on the road.

You know, because if you listen to Joe Biden talk and, you know, he's OK, it's all right. It's just it's not offensive to your ears. Yeah, it's not a terrible speaker. But then Obama is so good. He's so good. He's so powerful. He's so he makes everything seem so comfortable. He's so powerful. He makes everything seem so comfortable. He's such a good talker. Yeah. But he also, at the end of the day,

I think, you know, he says he's a big free market guy, but I think Obama really does believe in top down authority. I do think he really believes that ultimately a central group of smart people should be making most of the decisions. I feel that from him. Anybody who watches fucking storage wars should think that. Watch Naked and Afraid. You don't want to stop these people from making the critical decisions about this world's fucking future? Yeah.

You can't just have everybody. No. I mean, that's a terrible thing to say. No, but you can certainly have top-down. You need a federal government, my God, for certain things. Right, but ultimately, isn't the electoral college, ultimately, isn't that a really fucking scary thing? I don't know. You can decide that there's a representative of the state, so the state votes for a representative. Well, I'll tell you what the good side of it is.

What? It means that states that have very small populations aren't ignored. Right. And that's... That's why they go to Iowa. Right now, that's something that you need. That's why the politicians go to Iowa, right?

There's an intelligent argument to get rid of the Electoral College. They fucking dust these farmers off. They sit them down, and they say a bunch of bullshit to them. That's because the campaign starts there. Also because they can't read, so they just listen. No, no, no. They fucking dust these farmers off. They sit them down and they say a bunch of bullshit to them. That's because the campaign starts there. Also because they can't read.

So they just listen. No, no, no. That's a mistake. A lot of farmers are super smart. No, no, no, dude, they don't read at all. They're too busy. No, man, you're reading propaganda. They're planting grain.

They're picking corn all day. They don't have any time for reading. Those farmers are actually, most of those farmers are smart. Well, you have to be. Look, it's a very tight business yeah like your margins are very small and also there's weirdness like subsidies like wait a minute huge subsidies if it wasn't for subsidies there's a lot of farms that would be done of course a long time ago and guess who benefits from subsidies huge corporations yeah huge factory farms corporations and the corn industry

there's a there's a fucking fantastic documentary called King corn yeah it's fucking nuts man these guys they set out I mean I've mentioned it several times in the podcast so I apologize if you heard this before but if you haven't seen it just check it out this guy they did do like an analysis of their own bodies and find out what percentage they are of corn, some ridiculous percentage of all the carbon in their body has come from corn. Yeah. And then they go through the aisles of the supermarkets and they start looking at the

corn syrup and corn starch and corn this and corn that. And you realize how much fucking corn is in everything. Huge lobbying efforts in cars. And not good for you. No. Not. No. God damn it makes a steak good though.

Yeah. Do you prefer a grass fed steak? I like grass fed steak. No. Not. No. God damn it makes a steak good, though. Yeah. Do you prefer a grass-fed steak? I like grass-fed steak only because I just believe they're ruminants. I've been told that they're supposed to eat grass, so I like things that are more natural. I don't know if it tastes better. They're darker. I don't know if it tastes better, but for me it does because my mind says, this is grass-fed. I'm going to be healthier.

They're different. I wouldn't say—I prefer grass. But there's something about a really nice, fatty, corn-fed ribeye that I understand. Yeah. It's delicious. 100%. Some of it's really good. But it's not good for the animal.

That's for fuck's sure. And it's darker meat. And I've got to feel like darker meat is better for you. I know that's probably not logical. Well, the way the meat—the way a cow— if a cow eats the way it's biologically supposed to, I'd imagine that it's probably better for you. Well, I feel like that about eggs. You know, sometimes my chickens, I leave them in the chicken house.

It's a big fucking chicken house. I just had a chicken die the other day for no reason. They just die. They just die. They just die. Chickens don't live long. I don't know how long they live their little chicken hearts give out there's no nothing happened to it it was in the in the coop and the coop it's more i call it coop but it's really a chicken house it's big did you check it's back for peck marks they did peck it they

pecked it as soon as it went down they're fucking cannibals those monsters they eat it they would eat it wow they pecked at it but it wasn't dead for very long before we found it. Point being, when I don't let them out, their eggs don't taste as good. Their eggs look different. Their eggs become more yellow. And I buy the best chicken food that you can buy, the healthiest chicken food that you can

buy. But really, they want a free range. And when you let them go, and then they run around the yard, and they peck grass, and they eat bugs, their eggs are much more delicious. I'm sure. And when you let them go and then they run around the yard and they peck grass and they eat bugs, their eggs are much more delicious and they're a dark, dark yolk. There's a, like the other day I took a photo because, uh, I was, uh, I had eggs and two of them were from an, uh, an egg from when they were grazing and two were from a little bit later when we had them in the coop for a few days. And when they're in that coop, their fucking eggs come out yellow, like supermarket eggs.

Not quite that yellow, but pretty close. Whereas otherwise, they're a dark, dark orange. And they literally taste different. I gotta think they're more nutritious. I mean, it only makes sense. They certainly taste better. Your eggs, I've had eggs from your coop. They're amazing, right?

The Joe Rogan eggs? Yeah. Delicious. You get them the day of. Like, I get them in the morning, and then I cook them. I'll have, like, an egg sandwich for breakfast on some sprouted bread. Some Ezekiel bread. Ooh.

Ezekiel's good stuff. With jalapeno. I like to eat the jalapeno. It's spicy. Hot. And then I take some el Yucateca or maybe some srirachas occasionally. So good.

And I put it over the fucking sliced jalapenos. Double down. A little mayonnaise. I'm not scared of mayonnaise, bro. No, don't be afraid of mayonnaise.

I'm not scared. I put a little swath. It'll fucking work out. If you wanted to torture my wife, you'd give her mayonnaise and onions mixed in. She'd throw up immediately. She doesn't like

either one of those things? I like myself some mayonnaise. She can't look at mayonnaise. Really? What do you, you have a food that you can't, you just can't eat. No, I'm a man. Jesus. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Okay. Would you eat brains? I don't have any weird phobias. I've eaten brains before. Not me. I've eaten lamb's brains. I want to eat tongue or brains. Really?

I'm not crazy about kidney and stuff like that. Why is that? It's just I don't like the texture of tongue. Texture, yeah. Jews know how to make the tongue. Yeah tongue cow tongue well I had it no no I did have it as a kid and I said this looks like a tongue and my grandfather said it's not a tongue and I go it looks like tongue I was in Greece and I ate it and I was like fucking tongue yeah I never ate it again um when we were in

Montana and we ate that deer skull you you didn't eat any of that deer tongue? No. When they chopped up the deer tongue? But I ate eyeball. I ate, remember when I ate? Yeah. Steve gave me the fat behind the eyeball that was raw and I ate that. Yeah.

What was that called again? Tallow? Yeah. Tallow, yeah. Yeah. It tastes so chewy. Chewy. Yeah, I didn't eat it.

I saw you eating it. It was disgusting. That was when I did the ravine comer and then I ate. The ravine comer makes me sad to this day Yeah, because One of the funniest things that happened on the trip with Brian and I when we went to Montana with Steve Rinella and crew is That Brian created a character called the ravine comer where I was gonna come in Has only been a few times in my life where I almost blacked out from laughing

And that was one of them, But you're never going to see it. You're never going to see it because that's fucking good old-fashioned outdoorsman, sportsman's channel. You know, Jesus, and we're out there hunting. Part of it's like I like to do it to guys like Steve Rinella and Dan Doty who don't know what to do when I go,

hey, is anybody using this ravine? If not, I'm going to come in it. You might have a come in the ravine. Oh, you started getting angry and yelling at it. And then I jacked off. I mock jacked off. I didn't really jack off. Kept talking about being the ravine comer.

And you had to be there. But the point being is like, a lot of our ridiculous silliness will never make it on his show. So we're doing this amazing performance for like, you're doing it more than I am. I'm not that kind of, you're a different kind of on than I am You know when we go to these things It's one of the reasons why I love having you around is because you just love making everybody laugh You love making me laugh everything in the world. Yeah, you're you're just ridiculous weekend I made somebody laugh for one hour the groom of the wedding and I and this is so sick, but I made him laugh

I've never made anybody laugh that hard for what I did an hour of material and it was all his son is a really good looking 17 year old a wrestler really muscular and really smooth oh this is us we're turkey hunting is this a it's a short clip from uh oh play it let's play it hold on my story play it let's hear it wonky ass sportsman's channel network Let's hear it. Wonky-ass Sportsman's Channel Network. Well, let's let it load up.

Just leave it right there. We had a good fucking time, though, man. It was a good time. It was a good time. Turkey hunting, though, is for the birds. Yeah. Here's the problem with turkey hunting. If you love turkey hunting, I appreciate it.

Absolutely. I get it. I shot a a turkey we ate some of it It was delicious I was asleep and snoring And Steve Rinell was like you're sleeping And I was like no I wasn't Like lying and snoring. And Steve Rinell was like, you're sleeping. I was like, no, I wasn't. Like lying down snoring. But when you wake me up, I will fucking tell you I wasn't sleeping.

Automatically. Yeah, what is it about that? It's like that vulnerable feeling like I'm awake. It's embarrassing. I was sure that I was awake. Man, I slept nine hours last night. I slept nine hours and I kept it a secret from my wife. My wife goes, where were you? I go, I was in the garage. I lied to her. I go, I was working out in the, I slept nine hours last night. I slept nine hours and I kept it a secret from my wife. My wife goes, where were you?

I go, I was in the garage. I lied to her. I go, I was working out in the, I was sleeping for two hours. And I lied. I lied right to her. Like I was like, I was in my office working out. We need a hunting show where we do it online with nobody sponsoring it. Nobody like we're just, we do it the same way we've done with podcasts.

Yeah. We need that. I need to just finance it, and I'll just hire some dude to just film us. We'll take someone like Ryan Callahan or something like that, take us hunting somewhere, and we'll just film it. What's the first panel? How much could it possibly cost? I don't know.

I mean, how much could it really possibly cost? If we just had, like, a sponsor sponsor like rifles that we use or you know products that we use like Hoyt bows or something like that just a sponsor that could help us defer some of the costs of production it would be so much fun because these these trips like the trip that we had when we went out to Alaska and we went on to the Prince Edward Island fucking fantastic time horrible rains we were talking about earlier with like fun that's like fun and we went on to Prince Edward Island. Fucking fantastic time. Horrible rains. We were talking about earlier with like fun.

That's like fun while you're doing it. It was terrible. Like we were soaking wet the entire trip. It never stopped raining. If it would stop, it would stop for like 20 minutes. Then we'd shoot like some video footage of us being out there for 20 minutes and looking for deer that we never found. And then it would go right back to raining.

It was horrible. But we had so many fucking laughs. Just the time that we were in the trailer, or the tent rather. It's the greatest. And we had one indication of that is the podcast that we did from there. Steve's podcast. Which was one of the best ones that we did. You know, one of Steve's that we did.

It's not censored. Unlike the show, it's completely free Yeah, so we're there. I gotta listen laughing. We were giving him so much shit about his shit collection Remember Steve Rinella? Has he's so fucking into wildlife this dude had a stool collection of all the various animals that he had hunted He had like bear shit duck shit You just show Steve a picture of shit in the wild and he'll be like, ah, that's raccoon. I did.

I told him there was a fucking animal that was trying to get into my chicken coop and it shit in my yard. I sent him a picture of it and he said it was a skunk. Wow. Yeah. And there was a fucking skunk out there. These cunty skunks. Skunks will kill the fuck out of your chickens.

Really? Skunks are predators. No. They are? Yep. Yeah. Skunks are predators. That's amazing. They'll eat birds. Oh yeah. birds oh yeah especially chickens they were trying to get to my chickens

how about raccoons oh yeah really yeah raccoons are mad if you're a forest grouse you better run yeah oh yeah do ground nesting birds any ground that's what they said about turkeys everybody's trying to kill turkeys all the time turkeys die all the time yeah a three-year-old turkey's old well when we were turkey hunting, we shot a turkey. Oops, spoiler alert. But we only shot one. It was a young, stupid turkey. It's called a Jake.

I shot it. And on Brian's day, when I was snoring, Brian couldn't fucking find a turkey. We couldn't find a turkey. We did rock, paper, scissors. I won, so I got to shoot first. So a lot of times, what we should have done we both should shot at the same time because three fucking turkeys came in yeah we should we should I agree let's do this on the count of three we should could have both had turkeys blast but we

thought since that was the first day but oh we're gonna see a bunch of turkeys this is awesome yeah no it wasn't no it was a bunch of times sitting around in Napa Valley okay we're not pretending. We're in Alaska We're not in the for we went to eat at fantastic Restaurants every night. I want to be at Bouchon those dummies. They fucking ate cheeseburgers and shit I'm like, come on. I'll take you to the restaurant. I'm gonna pay let's go We're gonna go back to the house and drink beer best food in the world They like literally the best restaurants in the world and Rinella never joined us once

He likes to pretend he's in the world. Like, literally the best restaurants in the world. And Rinella never joined us once. Oh, it's incredible. Oh, fuck. He likes to pretend he's in the woods. He doesn't like the fact that he gets to stay in a house when he hunts. Oh, I know. He wants to suffer. He wants to live in the dirt. So the fact that we were going to go and drink fine wine and eat duck. Not hunting.

We ate grilled duck and filet mignon. Uh-huh. There was a potato puree. Took me a half hour to find the wine I wanted. I love that. It's a wonderful place. Yeah. me a half hour to find the wine I wanted. I love that. It's a wonderful place. Yeah. But we treated it differently than them.

They did not want to admit that they were staying in a house in Napa Valley while they were doing that show. They're pretending that they're out there in the woods turkey hunting. You're in a guy's yard. You're in a guy's yard. You're shooting a fucking bird that I could buy down the store. And here's the problem. He fucked up when he cooked his turkey breast. Because you know what that turkey breast tastes like? Just like the stuff I buy at the store. And here's the problem. He fucked up when he cooked his turkey breast. Because you know what that turkey breast tastes like?

Just like the stuff I buy at the store. Like fucking turkey breast! No difference. There's no goddamn difference. I was like, oh, this is going to be the best turkey in the world. No! Nope. Pretty fucking boring. You guys stay here. I'll go to the deli and have the same experience. And, you know, I guess the legs taste a little better.

I need to cook. Come over this week, man, and I'll cook some turkey and some mousse. All right. Because the turkey that we shot, I have that still. I have most of it. I'm around tomorrow. We ate one breast. One breast.

Let's do it tomorrow. We ate one fucking breast while we were there. We were like, okay. It tastes like he made schnitzel. After I do my podcast called The Fighter and the Kick. I heard that show was picked up by Fox. Some crazy deal. That's what they say.

Some crazy deal with Fox Sports. How about this? We sold out. Whoa, I'm waiting for someone to come along with enough money for me to sell out. Dude, we sold the brand. Oh, you mean the show. We sold the live podcast out six weeks in advance at the brand improv. And by the way, everybody, Tempe Improv, November 12th. We are going to do a live podcast out six weeks in advance at the Bray Improv. And by the way, everybody, Tempe Improv, November 12th.

We are going to do a live podcast. I think I'm on your live podcast. In Tempe? What day is it? The one you did in... October 1st. Oh, I'm on that fucker? Yeah, you're more than welcome to.

I'm on that podcast. Are you kidding? I think I'm going to be on it. That'd be great. We're going to have a good time. We're going to do it high as fuck, though. We're going to get... I'm tired of you guys talking sober.

Hey, man, come on. Don't push your drugs on me. It bothers me. I think I'm going to get Brennan to do some stand-up. He definitely should do stand-up. Yeah. He definitely should. At the live podcast, I want him to do three, four minutes.

He should do it. I agree. He could do it on fighting in the UFC. He could definitely do it on dating Ronda, but he shouldn't. Tell him not to. He won't. No. No, he doesn't.

He's tired of taking shit for just saying anything yeah let it go man he said that yesterday on the podcast he goes just so you know I am never talking about that shit again he's just so sick of it

he can't she's the queen of the world you gotta let it go she's bigger than Oprah but he has let it go he's never said a bad thing about her in his life well he does love her

he does care about her it didn't work out I've never heard that guy say one thing besides that she's great. And I'm not even proud of it. Well, there was the one time on the podcast where he said that he's too much of a man. He just meant, he meant with Rhonda, it's either you are going to be taking a backseat to she's driving the train,

or you need the extreme opposite. That's what I think he was trying to say. He didn't mean too much. He's a strong personality. She's a strong personality. That tends what I think he was trying to say. He didn't mean too much. He's a strong personality. She's a strong personality. That tends to be hard to mesh. But fucking anyway, come see us November 12th.

Change the subject. I like how you wanted to keep going. November 12th, ladies and gentlemen. Tempe Improv. Live fighter and a kid. What you and I really need to do is we need to do a show where it's just us doing whatever the fuck we want to do. Yeah. And turn it into funny.

It's like I'll be your audience. I'll be your audience. I come with you. We'll do things together. Most of it is like me setting you up. Like most of the meat eater show, the fun stuff is me setting you up and you knocking it out of the park. Great. Over and over and over again.

Great. But we have a weird dynamic. It's really funny. And Ronella, we talked about it before. Like we over and over and over again. Great. But we have a weird dynamic. It's really funny. And Ronella, we talked about it before. Like, we were really bored at one time. He goes, man, he goes, I wish Callan was here right now. I go, yeah, if he was here, it would be, like, really fun. He goes, no offense.

I go, no, I'm not funny like that. I'm a different guy. I mean, occasionally I'm funny like that, but not, like, you can't count on it. No, I'm a jackass. I only have fun when I'm being a jackass like that. I just, I'm looking like that, but not, like you can't count on it. No, I'm a jackass. I only have fun when I'm being a jackass like that. I just, I'm looking for any opening.

You're talking, I'm not even listening. I'm like, where's an opening? I can give a fuck what you're saying. Isn't that a problem when you're doing a podcast though? Of course.

Of course, it's a problem with my life. I'm never serious. But it's not necessarily a problem when we do stuff like that. Fucking works for standup. Yeah, it definitely works for standup. But it also works for doing that hunting thing We got to talk to Ronell about that. Let's do it say listen you can see he I Briefly talked to him and his company we talked about me doing a show and I was really considering it

But first of all I don't there's a lot of shit that I take from hunting that for no reason It's so silly I take it from people that have dogs and cats and their fucking Instagram page. I got into it with this lady She's a very nice lady. She's a tattoo artist She gave me a hard time about calling hunting ethically retarded or something like that And then I went to her pages. She's got animals. I'm like come on you feed your animals murdered animals It's the only way you're gonna keep them things alive if you have dogs in a cat what do you feed them she admitted she goes yes it's not it's like a necessary evil and you

know we was a very friendly exchange she had beautiful artwork she's a really talented tattoo artist but I go come on this is silly like these you're not getting this from the dog food tree you're gonna have your horsemate and things like that well for that and from cows and byproducts and guts and feet and all kinds of shit that they grind up. And lamb, which is basically baby sheep. The chickens, they fucking grind chickens up

and compress them into cat food. I mean, that's what it is. And those animals are not happy and they're a real living thing. If I shoot a moose or whatever the fuck I shoot, I'm eating that whole goddamn thing and uh it's one animal and that's one of the things that i like about hunting a large animal like that as opposed to like a turkey if you shoot a turkey it's only going to live i mean it's only going to feed like a few people like a turkey will feed five people

yeah like that turkey was shot five people we can have a meal. Yeah. And it's over. But it's also this, I mean, you know, what I always say is, even trophy hunting, which I don't do, even trophy hunting,

is the revenue from those kinds of hunts. I honestly hate that argument, and I really want to talk to hunters about not using it. Really? Because it's true. It is true.

But it's so fucked up that it's true, that it's more... It's just economy. It's economics. It is economics, but it's... Here's the deal, right? If you love something, whether it's elephants or rhinos, you love some exotic, crazy animal that we don't have in North America, and you want to pay a lot of money to shoot it and you're not even going to eat it.

I guess they do eat elephants, um, which I didn't know. Um, until I started getting into, but I guess, I guess it tastes good, man.

It's fucked. Cause they're, they're intelligent and they're not traditionally thought of by structures and all that. Great memories. They remember family members from like 20 years ago. They reunite them they hug like it's it's trippy man I've seen a video of a mother and a child Reunited after 20 years and they're hugging like we don't think anything of a child leaving a family because that's what we do

You know if you live with your house your family and your 40 you're fucking loser Yeah, but if you're an elephant and you have children, those children stay near you. It's like the structure, that's their natural structure. We don't think anything of separating them, taking them off here, taking them off there. It's one of the most damning things about something like SeaWorld. They have the balls to have these commercials where they say, we haven't taken an animal from the wild in 35 years. That's like a human having slaves saying, we haven't kidnapped this person from their family in another country in 35 years. That's like a human having slaves. Yeah. Saying we haven't kidnapped this person

from their family in another country in 35 years. So this is okay that we keep these slaves. Because that's what an orca is. When an orca or a dolphin, they're fucking slaves. I didn't see blackfish because I find it too upsetting.

It'll drive you crazy. It'll drive you crazy. It doesn't matter what they say. There's no getting away from the fact those animals are captive. They go into psychosis they say. There's there's no getting away from the fact those animals are captive They're going to psychosis. Yes, there's all sorts of problems with them, but there's just no getting away from the fact They're captive. You're not talking about a dog man My dog got upset today because I was on the other side of the fence and I was having a phone call

And he's pawing at the door. He wants to get to me. Come on man. Hang out with me Yeah, Mike dude. I'm on the phone. I'll pet you in a minute right now I'm on the phone and he has a judge you a minute. Right now I'm on the phone. And he has a giant. You've seen my dog's yard. It's a giant. It's a nacre. He just wants to be part of you. Exactly.

And they don't want to be captive. They want to be free to do whatever they want. Yes. And this is a dog who lives in a family. I mean, he's one of the family. Domesticated animal, too. He's domesticated. He's a sweetie.

He's one of the family. You know? He lives in the house. He sleeps in the house. He's just outside doing his thing. And he doesn't like it. Let me out, bitch. Come on.

What is this? Imagine the madness if you were a person and you were forced to live in an empty tank or an empty swimming pool. Imagine if you're in the same structure where an orca lives. That's your world. How much room do they have? Not much at all. You know what's really terrifying? There's a photo of the SeaWorld parking lot.

It shows the parking lot and it shows where the orca enclosure is in relationship to the size of the parking lot. It's fucking terrifying. It's terrifying. Yeah, you just feel claustrophobic just thinking about it. It's this tiny little thing. Just imagine if you had to live in a drained pool. Imagine if that's your life. It's a form of torture.

It is a form of torture. It's solitary confinement. And you know, the really crazy animal rights activists believe that you shouldn't own any pets, that I shouldn't even have my dog. I shouldn't have my cats. Yeah, dogs especially are domesticated. There's a difference between a wild animal that's tame and a domesticated animal. Well, my cat's pretty fucking domesticated. Yeah, and life's being around you.

Have you seen Fluffette? I have this fucking rag doll. In the morning, okay, we have to be really quiet in the morning because the cat will hear your voice and start meowing at the door. Meow. Meow. Just to come in and get pet. Meow.

Meow. And you see her. As soon as you see her, she's like. She immediately starts purring. Because she wants to get pet. Oh, yeah. She wants you to pick her up. She goes limp.

I mean, it's the most domesticated animal ever yeah Anybody that wants that poor thing to fend for itself is a fucking crazy person This is a baby the dogs are pack animals to dogs want to be I imagine the cats have a pride But dogs definitely want to be part of you know my cats. I have a the male and the female I had a cat just die she was 13 years old It's pretty sad or not 13. just die. She was 13 years old. It's pretty sad. Or not 13, excuse me. She was 19, 19 years old when she died.

But the other one is seven. And the baby, the new one is 10 months old, I guess. Maybe 11 months old now. Yeah. I think she was born in October. So she's a fucking baby still. And she's like this little fluffy fur ball. It's like the difference between her and an animal in the wild is so far removed.

So many generations. It's really odd that we do that to those things. Yeah. You know, they make awesome pets, but it's really odd that we choose to make like an English bulldog. Yeah, that's... Something... Playing with genetics.

With breathing. And this fucking flat face. You ever see them try to breathe? They overheat. I'm like, what did we do? Yeah. Or someone, it's not me and you. What did someone do that made that thing?

Well, they just played with genes. That whole movement happened. When was that? In the 1920s or where we started changing dogs? Well, I think they've done it to a certain extent through the history of dog breeding. I think it's existed for a long time. But not to the level that they've done now where they make like Pekingese and these special breeds. And I saw a guy the other day that

had two wolves he was walking are you reading tweets you shut that goddamn phone i was actually gonna go to uh don't you dare to see uh to look that up that other thing we were talking oh i thought you're reading tweets it looked like tweets to me please this guy uh was walking on the street there's the uh sea world parking lot it's in the green see that oh my god the green is the tank and the rest is the parking lot oh my god that's the orc sea world parking lot it's in the green see that oh my god the green is the tank and the rest is the parking lot oh my god that's the orca enclosure oh no yeah it's horrible it's horrific wow so this guy was walking with wolves he had pet wolves and you could tell right away it was really weird they're really cool though god they're beautiful they're fucking

horrifying they're horrifying but they're beautiful the wolves're fucking horrifying. They're horrifying, but they're beautiful. Wolves to me are like this amazing creature that is, you know, I respect them deeply. I love what they represent. I love looking at them, but they feel like a trap, man. I think the love that some people have for animals and this really distorted perception of what a predator like a wolf truly is, has allowed people to import these things and put them into Idaho and all these different areas.

And I'm reading all these stories about what's going on now, how they're decimating the elk populations and people really terrified of them. And when I was in British Columbia and I was up there with my friend Mike who has a Business up there of a guide business, and he has a farm his fucking neighbors They had a cow that was killed in the middle of the night by wolves Yeah Like they came in and killed a cow sure like 20 of them the problem with wolves is that there you talk to any farmer Any rancher why do they hate wolves and this is the world over wolves have been have have like in sweden they're reintroducing the wolves it's really controversial because the people that

make their living off their livestock fucking wolves are such efficient killers and keeping them out is basically it's really really hard they're so smart too yes they're so smart they act together there's a reason that farmers traditionally went after wolves right away like whether it was in italy and sweden anywhere there there's no real society that farmers traditionally went after wolves right away, like whether it was in Italy and Sweden, anywhere. There's no real society that didn't go after wolves because they were so devastating to your crops. We've gone so far away from recognizing that and remembering that, that people have brought these things back in some sort of a weird attempt to balance the ecosystem. And when they open hunting seasons, there's all these protests, and the protests are almost invariably from people that live in the cities. That's the issue with the difference of Vancouver and British Columbia being a province.

The people in Vancouver, they're all liberal. It's a beautiful place to live. There's no wolves here, man. Don't go killing wolves. But the people who live where Michael... You can kill as many wolves a day as you Want yeah, because you can't you can never get rid of all exactly. They're really hard to find They're they're elusive. I ran into this guy at the airport and he was a really smart guy really smart guy really articulate guy up in Canada and

Asked me a question You know what are you here for buh-buh-buh? I forget what he told me his business was. I probably wouldn't say it anyway to somehow or another people would figure out who he is. But he was talking to me about his business. We were talking a little bit, and he asked me what I was up here for, and I told him I was up there for a hunting trip. And then he started talking to me about how much he hunts wolves. Like right away, he goes into this, yeah, we hunt wolves all the time. And he goes, you got to.

I own a piece of property up there and we've seen them chase down uh calves and kill them he goes we've seen it he goes we've seen the wolves he goes they're just there's so many of them that what we do is they take garbage bales like a big garbage pail and they fill it with meat and then they pour water into uh the garbage pail so it's filled to the top with water and meat. Then they freeze it. And once they freeze it, then they take it and they put it out like a popsicle. Wow.

And then the wolves can't take it all at once. So they'll definitely keep coming to it. So they get a little bit of the meat and they'll come back for more. And they've got to chew through the ice and there's meat inside the ice. And then they'll shoot them. Oh. And he said, he goes, we shoot them all year long. We have to shoot them as many as we can.

I've heard the Inuit used to take, because wolves were such a nightmare for them. They'd steal their food, their seal, and they would put a razor blade, like a knife with a piece of meat on it, and the wolf would eat the meat and then lick the blade. And cut themselves up and die yeah they would uh yeah they would put blood on them and keep licking their own blood knife razor sharp

knife yeah yeah it's terrifying harsh a harsh way to live that's those worlds man that's those worlds i really think that a certain amount of struggle, like you said, a certain amount of losing makes you more humble and respectful. And like what you were talking about where a guy like Donald Trump, this sort of conversation is all coming around to this one thing. That's what we do here. Yeah. But it really is in this one. And what we're talking about, about academia, about the cowardice of this new way of pushing ideology. Objective reality.

Feeling something, hitting a wall is very important. And they're thought bullies. There's thought bullies about it. And where's that all coming from? Well, I mean, it really is coming from there's a lack of real world experience and a lack of adversity. The adversity has only been intellectual diversity.

So this adversity, rather, so there's these conversations they're having, the battles that are going on. They're ridiculous shit they're not about survival they're about calling someone z or he and there's anger and there's rhetoric and there's protests and and there's just like there's this crazy need to control what the other people think and what is acceptable and not acceptable on my fucking campus. Have you ever seen the Toronto protests? Well, also sensibility. Like somebody's sensibility is sacred.

Have you ever seen the Toronto protests where these feminists, there was some guy who was promoting something that had to do with men's rights. They completely distorted what he had to say, completely distorted what his message was, and promoted him as this evil person who supported rape and hated women i'm sure and so they shut down his uh his performance that by turning on a fucking fire extinguisher fire alarm they set off a fire alarm and all cheered they were protesting in the hallways while this guy's on stage speaking sure no that's not surprising it's it's uh it's a

hostile act it's a controlling act it's exactly what the Red Guard did in Mao's China. And there are a thousand examples of people who get swept away with an ideology. These are very religious people. And by that, I mean they're fanatically devoted to what they think is a certain truth or set of truisms. And they'll do whatever they can. Well, that's why it's important what you're saying, because they'll do whatever they can. But what it's not based on is reality. So if there really was a person that was at this campus that was promoting raping women and doing horrible things to them and this is what you should do and he's trying to rally them up, absolutely everyone agrees they should be treated the way these women were treating that guy.

they should be treated the way these women were treating that guy. The question is, is what he's promoting that, or are you turning it into that in order to make it justifiable for you to go fucking crazy? Because that's what a lot of it is. I think so. What a lot of it is, people decide they have a target, and then justify their actions based on that. Also, they point their guns. They decide that there's a target.

They shoot their guns at the wrong target because it's an easy target. But that's an important point, though. In their defense, I mean, if someone really is promoting rape, fuck that guy, right? Right. So that would be a realistic reason to use that target for what they're saying. So they make him that. Yeah. They distort what he is.

They turn him into that. So then it's justifiable. Yes. And the women were screaming at these men that were trying to go in and listen all they wanted to do was hear what this guy had to say screaming at them you fucking piece of shit you support rape like what are you talking about but this this anger and violence and vitriol it gives them a cause exactly people want a cause there's no adversity they want to feel like they're they're revolutionaries there is no There's not enough adversity. It's not healthy.

Yeah. It's not healthy. It's also not honest. I don't think they're being honest with themselves or with what the real problem is. And that's another issue, is that if you're too ideological and religious, you're going to be placing your energy and your anger in the wrong direction. And there are real challenges and problems. And it takes sober thought, sober thought, sober analysis, and an open mind to finding out and developing a very informed point of view

so that then you can actually tackle what's really going on. And good luck finding someone else who's also taken the same amount of consideration into a subject and hasn't approached it with some intense bias. Exactly. So having these debates with these people, it's like there's bridges you can't cross. There's things that you can't say.

Well, it's very important, though. Now, when you have a debate, and I'll give you an example. It's very important, in my opinion. The problem with debate in this country is this. Let's take gun control as an example. The first thing you hear is, I'm in favor of guns, I'm in favor of gun control. But what you actually hear when they start the debate is this. Let's take gun control as an example. The first thing you hear is, I'm in favor of guns. I'm in favor of gun control. But what you actually hear when they start the

debate is this. You're a gun nut, and I don't like you. You're a hippie liberal, and you don't know what this country was founded on. And that's where we start. And the minute that happens, there is no way anybody's going to have a discussion because it starts with, I don't like you. Oh, yeah, I don't like you. Instead of saying, hey guys, we're both good people who have a different point of view and we're trying to solve a problem. Nobody in this room thinks that somebody should be allowed to go in and massacre a school or a movie theater. We know we want to solve that problem. Now, this side believes everybody should have guns. This side believes they shouldn't. Where is the middle ground? Let's have a real discussion.

It never starts that way, unfortunately. A lot of times it just becomes this crazy sort of this is my camp, this is my idea, and I'm more interested in being right based on my ideology that's immovable. And it's very difficult. It's very difficult to kind of step back and be sober in these thoughts in these situations. For example, like gun control is interesting

because when this guy came up and shot these two reporters and this psychiatrist... It just happened recently. And this psychiatrist, I think his name is Lieberman, Jeff Lieberman, and I think he's out of

Columbia University. He said something really interesting. Probably a black guy, right? He was a black guy. Jeff Lieberman? Jeff Lieberman, no. He's Jewish, right? Yes, he's Jewish. I knew it. You guessed. Good guess. Good guess. But he had something really interesting to say, and it was a really interesting debate I'd never heard before. He said, look,

mental illness. There is an idea that maybe if somebody is exhibiting psychotic behavior and talking about wanting to hurt other people and himself, a lot of people who have mental illness are not willing to take their drugs because they don't think there's anything wrong with them. So how do you deal with that? Well, he said, what about in some instances, outpatient care that is mandated? And we're like, wait a minute, that steps on my civil rights. You can't tell me to take drugs. And he said, but wait, if you have tuberculosis, you are mandated by the Center for Disease Control to take your drugs because you're contagious. And you're not allowed to not take antibiotics when you have tuberculosis. And usually it's a nine-month regimen. It can turn you colorblind like it did my buddy Jimmy Burke and all that. But what about those questions?

What about stuff that kind of throws things in the air? Hey, you just filled me with a cloud of whatever. I'm trying to give you a contact line. Those are important questions to raise, man. They are. I didn't know Jimmy Burke went colorblind. Yeah, from his antibiotic regimen. Fuck.

Yeah, he's colorblind now. And what is that from? What disease was it? He had tuberculosis And so it just The antibiotics Just killed it forever Yeah

Whoa Yeah But he had to take them So what do you think If somebody If somebody's saying I want to kill people Yeah

And he's just saying it That's a mental illness And I think it is a good idea To treat it as it is an illness And the problem with The mental illness stigma And Cara Santa Maria Who's been on this podcast

A bunch of times She's a neuroscientist She and Kara Santa Maria who's been on this podcast a bunch of times She's a neuroscientist very smart, and she's had mental illness issues herself with depression, which is also a mental illness Yeah, it's not well. We treat them differently than we treat any other illness like if you there's no shame in having diabetes You know we find out that you have a disease. We don't go right fuck a diabetes, bro Like it's a disease so we treat it with medicine medicine you know same thing with virtually every disease except mind diseases and when someone has a mind disease we automatically assume that they're being weak we automatically put them into this box oh you're depressed I'll poor fucking baby think gonna be

fine dude we're gonna be you're happy you know fucking born in the 1600s we you know there's all the nonsense that comes with people admitting that there's a chemical imbalance in their brain, which we can't really measure. That's the problem. They can't fucking, they can't just pull the juice out of your brain and measure you for depression, you know? And they can't really measure, like, there's no, like, scale that shows what drug is going to work for you. Right. Which is one of the weirdest things about taking antidepressants. But whatever the case, it's some form of medication for a disease.

And when someone doesn't want to take that medication, there's one of the episodes, the episode I was talking about called Elements on Radiolab that was talking about lithium. This woman who can't take this medication anymore. When she takes it, she's her. It is a mental illness. She has a mental illness. Being bipolar. It's an absolute disease. And when she takes this stuff, she's totally normal.

So this idea that we have about medication when it comes to mental illness, I think it's the one illness that we have this like criticism of or this prejudice of that we can justify. Because it's hard to measure. Yes. Yeah and and who decides and there are there is criteria and there is there are experts that can say I think in some instances hey this dude is exhibiting classic psychotic behavior and he's going to hurt somebody. And I think it would behoove the authorities to mandate some kind of a drug regimen or

something. People don't know when to say that, though. If a guy hasn't done anything yet, he just seems a little off, you don't know what it is. It's dicey. It's very, very tricky stuff because now you're talking about a government agency coming in there and making you take drugs. Yeah.

But in some instances, it might save a lot of lives if you've got a crazy person. And the question becomes, if that is a viable alternative to having people get shot up in some instances, what do you do about it? It is a really good question and a really hard one to answer because here's another factor. It is a really good question and a really hard one to answer because here's another factor. When you do an experiment, the fact that you're doing an experiment has an effect on the results of the experiment itself. A classic one that we've talked about on this podcast before, I think it was Carl Hart that brought this up. It's a brilliant point that I never even considered. They always talk about these things that they do with rats You know they give rats a heroin and the rats like do the heroin every day

And then you know they keep doing their tasks, but if you give them cocaine they just do cocaine until they die Well he goes yeah, but they're in a cage during an experiment. This isn't a normal rat change It's changed the rat cage you change the entire Experiment you can't just it's not like you're giving them cocaine in the woods. Well, if you did that, you would have like much more reasonable results. Well, do you know what the results were? It's fascinating. Yeah.

So they laced the water with cocaine and heroin. Rats kept doing it until they died. And then this experimenter came along and said, why don't we change the rat cage? I'll create Rat Disneyland. And the rat, he created a utopia for rats. They had plenty of sex, friends to play with, lots of things to keep themselves occupied. Do you know how many rats kept going back to the cocaine and heroin bottle? None. After a while, from what I was told, the experiment yielded no addiction. And they all started drinking water and went back and they kind

of said, I'm done with that drug thing. So it changes things up. Well, also, okay, let's think about that for a second. Because if we're living the way we're living today, it's because people before us have figured out how to build houses and electricity and cars. But how many generations? How many generations in relationship to the DNA that's in our body that supposedly takes like 10,000 plus years to change or I mean How similar are we to people that live 10,000 years ago?

Probably almost exactly or really illogical really really really fucking close right maybe the reason why people are into drugs and constantly trying to alter the state of their consciousness today is directly connected to these rats being willing to do this experiment or being willing to go back to the cocaine until they fucking died in this experiment as opposed to the way they were in the wild. Like maybe if we were living in the wild, maybe if we lived the way people lived thousands of years ago as hunter-gatherers, maybe if we did that, we would have no desire to do

coke. I would agree with you if I didn't know that pygmies in certain parts of the Congo smoke copious amounts of weed. Yes, they do. And if people in the Amazon who are hunter-gatherers take all kinds of hallucinogenics. Stop and think about the drugs that you just described. Copious amount of weed, which makes them more sensitive, more paranoid, maybe keeps them alive more, more community-oriented, more loving, and maybe even more creative. So you're talking about marijuana if you're talking about the people that live in

the indigenous tribes in the Amazon you're talking about serious psychedelic drugs that are ego dissolving that remove the world around you and bond you inexorably as this tribe right so you're not talking about heroin you're not talking about coke especially not talking about coke right like how many fucking people they do they do chew coca leaves in a lot of those those environments in Peru yeah but it's coca leaves they shoot got as well and in Ethiopia in places God is that but that's more isn't that more like a narcotic narcotic yeah but the the keeps you mellow I think coca leaves

apparently is really nice it's really does God keep you mellow or does it actually hype you up? I think it's a stimulant. I think I think That's a shitload of it in the Middle East. I remember it as a kid. Yeah, I Wonder if we went back to living this sort of assistance life if any of that stuff would have any pull on us at all I don't know but I do think that the new science of, like, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. All drugs. And what they did is a really interesting thing. They think by some measures in 2000, 1% of the population was hooked on heroin,

which is incredible. A huge addiction issue. And you have to be careful with these statistics, but this is what I heard on TED.com. And when the government said, I'll tell you what, instead of spending all this money on enforcement and rehab and stuff, we'll take addicts, we'll decriminalize it, and what addicts need is connection.

So what we'll do is we'll say, we'll get them in rehab, and we'll take care of that, and then we'll get them a job, and we'll say to their employer, look, train this guy. We'll pay half their wages. It'll cost you half as much to hire this addict who is going to take your program. We have our own programs. They're managing their addiction. And they've had huge success because what happens to the addict is that they develop connections and they develop purpose and they develop an entire infrastructure of support around them. And that apparently,

an entire infrastructure of support around them and that apparently from what I understand a lot of like addiction specialists talk about that being very important man connection is is a great anecdote or antidote to your your addiction issues I'm not an addiction specialist yeah I'm not either I think one of the big problems with addiction specialists in this country is they're only allowed to use methods outside of drugs. There's some people that get some spectacular results in other countries, especially in Mexico with ibogaine, people that are hooked on pills. What's ibogaine? Ibogaine is from the iboga plant, and it's really intensely introspective drug that is, it's not a fun time at all there's very very little

recreational ibogaine it's just like really intense um view of your life very very deep and uh complex view of your life and it also shuts off some physical reactions to addiction somehow or another rewires the mind some strange way that's very effective. I've had friends that have had pill problems that have gone to these retreats in Mexico and had Ibogaine treatment and just completely knocked it out. How much of it is placebo? Who knows? No, it's not placebo at all, I don't think. Because what we're talking about is an insanely intense introspective experience Introspective experience that's not not dissimilar from the DMT trip that you went on in the fact that it dissolves

Reality it dissolves reality in some sort of strange way and then I haven't experienced the Ibogaine Those trips, but I have quite a few friends have done it and every one of them said it sucked Like they did not like it like it's it's really harsh but the results are spectacular like the results like when you get through that you're like okay i see it all it's all mapped out now like what am i doing my life like what are all these pitfalls that i've set up for myself what are all these traps that i've like left in my personality what are all these these excuse mechanisms that i have just ready to fucking pop off and send me to the bar. What are those things? Well, you see them like they're like targets.

You see them all around you, like really obvious landmines. It's weird how people have like a lot of those. We all have some of those. But for me, my way of getting out of that is I just ask myself what I really want. And I think that's helpful. Like when I just go, what do I really want to do and we'll get good at I think really interests me I think you've never been addicted physically to anything no I have I so I think we're talking out of our ass when it comes to that yeah I never have thank God I feel I feel lucky

that I don't have that I don't drink much I don't I never had any of that stuff yeah that's a the pill one and the heroin one, man, that is a goddamn crazy one. The coke one, I've seen them all and they're real hard to figure from the outside. I haven't experienced what the ache

in their bones. Well, what about how much people drink in this country and have always, this country has always been a nation of drinkers, man.

And that's why we get gas. Because we don't give a fuck. We get drunk. We make shit happen that's right gentlemen but it's responsible for a lot of great art too you know that's one thing that people don't want to admit of course how much fucking great music was created by drunk people i don't know i think i think a lot of great music was start was created by people who sat in uh in rooms and just played music.

Well, that's true, too. You know what I mean? They say that what destroyed the Haight-Ashbury movement, that wonderful psychedelic movement, was when musicians went from weed and psychedelics to heroin and cocaine. And the heroin and cocaine was what actually destroyed a lot of great musicians. Yeah, but that's coke. We're talking about booze.

Yeah. I think there's been a lot of artists that have used booze, including writers. Historically, there's been a lot of writers that were drunk. Stephen King, when he's in his prime, was a drunk. Yeah, Stephen King said in his book, which I read, he said, there are a lot of, yes, there are a lot of creative people that have substance abuse problems, he said, but they happen to be very creative people with substance abuse problems. He said they were creative, and then they had a problem, but it's not what made them creative. And then they had a problem, but it's not what made them creative. That's possible that he's right, but it's also possible that he's saying that because he's not an addict anymore. And he doesn't want to go back to it. And so he's made this sort of connection in his mind that it wasn't the alcohol that allowed him to be so free and creative. It was his own free creativity that he had in his mind, and he had a problem.

It is true. Or here's another possibility. Correlation and causation. They're not clearly defined in this. No, no. Here's another possibility, too. People that are creative and have great imaginations and allow themselves to have a great imagination may also be, to some degree, maybe a little self-destructive or at least searching for different states. And so maybe, maybe, you know, that the kind of person that's imagined enough to write a book like Cujo also likes putting himself in something other than his sober state. Totally possible. You know?

As well. Yeah. Totally possible as well. But I think there's also some thoughts that come to you when you're drunk. Like I've done some drunk writing, especially on airplanes. God, I'm an idiot when I'm drunk. Well, I listen to, like, music and have a couple Budweiser's

and I'll write and I'll write some stuff that I might not write. Dude, when we were doing the Ice House one time, I was one of the first times, it was in a small room and I smoked a bunch of weed and I don't do it and I got high doing your podcast and I drank some scotch because you forced me, peer pressure. I don't think I forced you. And I weed, and I don't do it, and I got high doing your podcast. And I drank some scotch because you forced me, peer pressure.

I don't think I forced you. And I got up on stage and crushed the room with a whole thing I kind of remember about how I saved a whale. Now, I never would have thought about saving a fucking whale without that state. So maybe it did open up some channels. Stephen King, go back to the booze. Here's what the late Oliver Sacks, said something incredible. Do you know the story about Philip Plagenet? I think it's Jason Plagenet.

I think his name is. Furniture salesman, 1994, comes out of a bar, gets savagely beaten, and starts having sort of deep mathematical, geometrical thoughts. sort of deep mathematical, geometrical thoughts. And the next thing you know, he starts drawing these geometric relationships and shapes. A physicist walks by one day and goes, do you know what you're doing? And he said, no, I just, I'm trying to figure out the relationship. And he goes, you're drawing high math. Long story short, he'd never been interested in math at all. And in 2015, he is considered a math genius he got beaten oliver

sacks did a great thing on a guy named tony seoria gets struck by lightning he's an orthopedic surgeon the lightning goes through his cheek comes out his foot i just want to say right now if you're a shitty musician don't let someone kick you in the head like dude i've got it don't do it i'm gonna be a math genius i'm gonna kick the shit out of me, and let me see what happens. Most creative people are drunk. Tony Scioria. What is this? Tony Scioria.

What is this? This is an article about the Churchill gene. The Churchill gene. Oh, Churchill always had some. Winston Churchill always had some alcohol in the system. But listen to this. Tony Scioria, who Oliver Sacks studied, basically gets struck by lightning. All he can hear is piano music and becomes a composer and a high-level composer and piano player

because all he wanted to do after that was play the piano. And he was never interested in music. So the idea is maybe sometimes certain things that happen to your brain can open pathways and channels and circuitry that was blocked or wasn't activated before. In this case, it was a beating and lightning. But there are examples of something traumatic happening to someone's brain where it opens up an entire new passion and interest in that person. And that's documented by the late Oliver Sacks and a lot of other people.

That's kind of fascinating. Well, I think that the mind is some sort of a device. And this device relies, like the rest of the body, on all the different elements that keep a human being alive. Human neurotransmitters are flowing around. There's neurons firing. There's all these cells that are alive. I mean, the mind is just like this fascinating place. Now, when you introduce things that are psychoactive to the mind, whether it's caffeine, whether it's nootropics, whether it's alcohol.

Nicotine. Yeah, sure. Whether it's marijuana, there's an effect. And when that effect happens, there's a cascade of effects. The effect of marijuana, there's a lot of different effects. But one of them is your creativity absolutely gets a kickstart. Something happens. You get a weird way of looking at things.

You get a strange, altered perspective on things. Alcohol does the same. It gives you a strange, altered perspective on things. It doesn't introduce your way. It makes you a little louder. It makes you a little bolder. It releases inhibitions. But occasionally, someone will write something while on alcohol that is just brilliant.

And it comes out of this don't give a fuck thing that alcohol allows you to look at something from a different angle. Or maybe it drops your inhibitions and you're able to be more yourself in some instances. Yeah. Yeah. Or, yeah, I mean, that's a possibility. It's also a possibility that it's a combination of those things. that they're not individual, that there's not an either or, that they're all a part of most things in life. Maybe it quiets down one part of the brain. They're not mutually exclusive.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, man, we're learning more and more about science, brain science all the time. It just shows you not to be too orthodox in your thinking and certainly not too judgmental in your thinking. You know what else, too, that I think is very important and I've monitored in my own life? I don't have a problem with depression, but I do have days where I feel better and days where I don't feel as good. And a lot of that is dictated by how I choose to think. A lot of that is dictated by how I manage my life, whether I'm happy with things that I'm doing, and how I choose to pursue my thinking. And I think there's a certain amount of what that is

that makes you feel happy and makes you feel sad that is manageable. And I think, too, there's definitely a danger in putting it all on a disease and all on a pill. And for some people, it most certainly is a disease. But there are people that have some wiggle room in their life, and they can turn their life into a much more positive experience for themselves if they just choose to manage it correctly. into a much more positive experience for themselves if they just choose to manage it correctly. This is not excluding people that have a legit medical condition and have legit medical depression and some sort of a chemical imbalance.

Not at all. But I'm saying there's a lot of us that aren't depressed, like me, that you can manipulate the way your mind feels. You can manipulate the way your view of the the earth is what you choose to focus on Yeah, you know that's a hundred percent true you you you know I always think about that how you manage what you choose to think about and the perspective that you take my god They've done that you know anxiety when a behavioral psychologist We used to always say you got to get rid of your anxiety and

now what they say is if you think of anxiety in terms of just your body getting ready for action as opposed to oh no this anxiety is going to kill me your blood vessels look very differently so the how you view your own anxiety and the attitude you take your your blood vessels will either constrict which is not good but if you look at anxiety as, here I go. My body's getting ready for this. I'm getting ready. Your blood vessels and your heart looks exactly the way it does in moments of joy and courage. And that's from a fucking great TED Talk.

Again, I can't remember. I wish I could tell so people could watch it. But really interesting. But really interesting, how you look, how you choose to think about your own anxiety has everything to do with whether it's healthy for you or bad for you. And if you choose to think about anxiety in the right way, there's a lot of evidence, measurable evidence, based on a study that followed, I think, 30,000 Americans over nine years, that suggests that it actually can be good for you. That makes sense if you think about it because you're shifting what it is and what it becomes is energy. Yes. And like this, like, oh, I've got this anxiety, but you know what?

This is a growth moment. This is important. This means we're getting something done. Something is happening. Yes. And concentrate on it like that. You used to say that. You used to always say, I like those moments where I'm not sure what's going to happen next. Yeah, I do.

Very important. Fucking important. I like them a little too much though. It's called adventure. It's called adventure. Adventure. It is. That's my nickname. Adventure is not knowing what's going to happen next. What I like to do is run the podcast out to the last five minutes like we're at right now and wonder when the tape's going to run out.

Why does it last only three hours? It's fucking Ustream. If we were on if we had the balls to switch over to YouTube or Twitch Three hours is a long time. Yeah, it's enough. It seems like a good number. People get mad now when I do two. I did two hours yesterday with Ronda Rousey. People were complaining.

They wanted more. They called me a lazy do-nothing bitch. Jesus, those bastards. They called me a do-nothing bitch. I don't read any of my I don't read any of my comments Well It's dangerous I heard a comic friend of mine

Was talking shit about Me and Brendan I thought it was Who? Say his name Don't We'll do it We'll talk about it afterwards

But it was surprising He's like A young guy I like He might have been Misconstrued Yeah he might have been Who knows Or he might be a jealous bitch

He was mad Might be sad. Might not be happy. I like him. I feel bad. Might not get no laid. Maybe you misgendered him with the wrong pronoun.

Try Z. Ladies, ladies, gentlemen, and Zers. Here. You can call them here. They're teaching new pronouns. September 23rd, come see me and Joe.

September 22nd, come see me and Joe at the Ice House. September 23rd, come see me and Joe at the Hong Kong Inn at 8 o' Joe at the Ice House. September 23rd, come see me and Joe at the Hong Kong Inn. 8 o'clock and 10 o'clock. We had an 8 o'clock show just now. Yeah, but where can they buy the tickets for that? Do we know?

We haven't even advertised it. Yeah, just go to the Hong Kong Inn. Yeah, it's HongKongInn.com. Yeah, the Ice House tickets are not on sale yet either. But HongKongInn.com, you can buy. They'll sell out immediately. Yeah, and this Friday, I'm at the Ka Theater. sell out immediately. Yeah, and this Friday I'm at the Ka Theater. If you go into the UFC in Vegas,

I'm at the Ka Theater on Friday night with Greg Fitzsimmons and Ian Edwards. Love both those guys. Big time fun, you fucks. I'm at the San Jose Improv September 25th, 26th, 27th. One of my favorite places ever. That was a beautiful place. I can't, I've only done it once a long time ago. It's a theater. It was an

old time theater theater. Yeah. And they converted it into a comedy club. It's a theater. It was an old time, like theater theater. Yeah. And they converted it into a comedy club. It's beautiful. It's one of the best improvs in the country. Yeah. It's awesome. Awesome people.

I can't wait to do it. All right, you fuckers. Thank you very much. Everybody. Much love. Love you all. Big kiss.

Bye bye. that