The Joe Rogan Experience - #696 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

Episode Date: September 17, 2015

Unbox Therapy is a YouTube channel "where products get naked." Lewis does in-depth reviews of new tech products releasing to the consumer market. http://www.youtube.com/unboxtherapy

What a perfect time to have Lewis from Unbox Therapy on when our TriCaster is taking a big fat shit because we updated the software. And then RedBand decides right before the show he's going to update his phone and it's going to take about 17 fucking hours. Right in the middle of someone from the DMV supposed to call him. Yeah, I know. And that's never going to happen now. Yeah, I think you guys planned it this way. You heard I was coming down. It's like, let's cause as many technical difficulties as possible and then put him on it.

Let's see how much this guy really knows. Yeah, exactly. Unfortunately, the TriCast is a little outside the realm of my day-to-day, but I wish I could help. Jamie said, oh, we've got to update the software. So I go, okay. And then I thought about it software so I go okay and then I don't update shit that's right I will wait several like versions before I update like my phone or you know it always annoys me Apple's always asking me to update yeah no that's that's certainly the move if especially if it's like a mission critical thing like your phone, your main device

when you're waiting for a phone call. Or your TriCaster, for example. Yeah, this fucking thing, Jamie. Jesus Christ, boy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The video's off?

Uh-oh. Oh, we have no video right now. Well, it doesn't matter. The video's not on Ustream. It's not even going live. So you fucked it twice. It's double fucked now. Terrific.

Terrific, folks. If you're viewing this right now, enjoy the blackness. Yeah. That's what all black lives matter, including the black lives. Coming out of the TriCast. Blank fucking screens. How dare you, Jamie? You didn't even test this shit out?

How dare you? Anyway, for everybody looking at a blank screen right now, like me, I'm looking at the blank screen. Most of the people, unfortunately for you, are audio only anyway, so. Oh, it's true, yeah. Listen after the fact. Unbox therapy, though.

100% video. Yeah, very important to me Couldn't get by with audio on its own. Yeah, we're supposed to be showing this Jamie like a periscope it no Little side periscope angle Well, okay, but what are we gonna do about the video? Right, but what are we going to do about the video? I'm working. I know. The video is still recording on here. Right, but it's not showing. I know. I'm working on it.

So it'll record on here, and we'll be able to put it on YouTube, and you think. Maybe. Allegedly. Huh? As long as this is recording, I should be able to. Okay, allegedly. All right. By the way, nobody hears you talk.

I will draw the whole episode, just in case. We have hired a court reporter. Transcript. Old school tech. So what what is it you got here man oh yeah some virtual realities with it's this is fascinating for people who can't see this it's virtual reality it's like a goggle setup with uh on the front of it is a galaxy s6 correct so a samsung galaxy phone is strapped to this headset. So the screen is your field of view. That's right. Yeah. And there's two lenses there. So I'll just open it up real quick. So the phone sits in and clips out. Obviously, you still want to use it as a regular phone. And those are the lenses that will allow you to focus in on the display at an incredibly

close range. Now, the nerds out there, they talk a lot about the resolution of phones. And some say, oh, well, there's no need to have a phone with a display beyond 1080p, let's say, because at this range here, you would never notice those pixels. But the minute you stick them in an environment like this, just an inch away from your eyeball, all of a sudden, you can discern those pixels that you couldn't at phone usage range. What happens with people who wear glasses? Glasses can fit in there. Okay.

Yeah, you can go with glasses in there. There's a focus on the top here, so you can actually focus them in, depending on what vision correction, whatever you have going on. I've used it with glasses, contact lenses. So you can adjust it like a pair of binoculars. Exactly. Ah, cool. Yeah, exactly.

So the cool thing in this particular case compared to some of the other stuff that I've shown off before, like Google Cardboard and the really inexpensive ones, is that since this is designed specifically for this device, you get a touch interface, touchpad for controlling taps and stuff. On the side. This here, yeah. So that's just like the bottom of your laptop.

Sort of, yeah. Like a little clickpad, trackpad kind of situation. So you have a little bit of interactivity there. Other than that, I mean, it sort of does what it looks like it does. Do you think we should try it out or what? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, okay. It's cool that this stuff is finally coming to light now because this was always, when we were kids, we thought this was the future.

Oh, yeah. And I kind of think it still is. Oh, it is. It just took a while for the technology to catch up to what we expected from it. So I'm going to get it set up here. Okay. I got a call from Duncan Trussell once. He came back from some conference that they had on virtual reality.

And I'll never forget this because I was standing in front of the improv and he's screaming, dude, this is bigger than the fucking wheel. This is bigger than the internet. This is bigger than everything, man. This is a fucking game changer. Dude, it's a fucking game changer. It's virtual reality. It's what the future is.

He just got back from checking out the newest Oculus Rift, the one that you were talking about, the piano demonstration. Yeah. So that one is the mic here. Sorry, I can't see anything anymore. So this one was built sort of in conjunction with Oculus. So there is an Oculus store and library app that you boot into when you put the phone into the headset. So a lot of the demos that are available on Oculus are also available here. Wow.

So I'm going to bring up, I'll bring up that one with the piano, and then I'll let you check that out. Oh, you can do it right from that? Yeah. So that's as good as Oculus Rift? Well, I wouldn't go that far. I would say it's more convenient than Oculus Rift and probably arguably more of a game changer in the sense that people don't have to go out and buy this standalone expensive headset and then have a dedicated PC to use it. Right.

Everyone has a phone, right? So you're already halfway there. Ari Shaffir doesn't have a phone anymore. Oh, I heard about that. I heard about that. How do you feel about that when someone fucking completely bails since you're such a technology junkie?

You want to know, I have... For folks who don't know what we're talking about, Ari Shafir gave up on smartphones. He just uses a flip phone now. I kind of get it because I feel like I'm so immersed in tech sometimes that I would love to take a step away for a minute. Like you just booted that phone up.

You said you hadn't booted it in a while. It's like, brr, brr, brr. All these texts were coming in. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it would be a really interesting experiment to see how many times that thing interrupts my day, like a smartphone. Because it's probably, I don't know, a thousand times maybe. It really trains you like a like a buzz collar on

an animal or something like right so anyway you want to stick this on I check it out sure so it looks cool for people who just listen at home it looks like something stormtroopers would wear yeah plastic and you can there's straps so you can tighten it I don't know if you feel yeah, it's a good look on you Yeah, they just go it just slips through no right there. Yeah, just like a pair of yeah, just like a pair of Yeah, yeah, it's like a pair of ski goggles pretty much now You said this also has Bluetooth so you can hook up like headphones wirelessly also, right? So every capability that the phone has is still theoretically active you know so are you focusing in yeah so try and find the spot where the text if is there text on

screen right now touch the touch pad to resume there you go are you in that space right now yeah no it's better it's better with, but this is still pretty good. And if you kind of... So I'm watching this guy play the piano. See if you can find the dog. Oh, my God, this is nuts. Yeah, man. I'm...

Okay. This is for people who are just... They don't know what I'm doing here. I'm looking around the room. At first, I'm just looking at this guy play piano, and it's kind of cool, although he is a little annoying. I don't like the way he sings. Do you see the smoke?

Do you see the smoke coming off his cigarette in the ashtray? I don't see the ashtray. No, it's beside the piano there. Yeah, it's slightly pixelated. I wouldn't say it's perfect. Yeah, it's not high resolution. But I heard that the Oculus version is. What are you looking at, bitch? He looks at you every now

and then. Dude, this is so fucking strange. I'm looking around this guy's studio. He has this recording studio here. I'm just kidding about him annoying me, by the way. I'm just trying to be funny. And then he puts his phone in his ashtray and he's throwing shit on

the ground i guess he's acting he's acting yeah yeah yeah no he knows what he's doing he has a 360 camera there but he's got a fake tree in his room and as you look around his studio like everywhere you look you can see stuff this is the real what's really a game changer about this technology is that it's it's really 360 degrees. Yes. Like, as you look, everywhere you look, there's something to look at. And that is fucking strange, man. Yeah.

If they do this with movies, you'll be able to watch movies over and over again because you'll be able to look at it from different... Okay, now I see the smoke. Yeah. On a cigarette. There you go. I have a feeling he makes really whiny music. Well, you're probably right. To be honest, I really wasn't listening.

It was more about the visual. Yeah, I'm kind of glad I can't hear him sing. But there's another one in there, another demo, which is you sitting inside a movie theater. And so you see the seats around you. Whoa. And as the trailer plays on the make-believe movie screen, the colors coming off of it are reflecting off the seats. And it gives you an incredible feeling of the exact vibe of being inside of a theater. I have the original Oculus Lift, and that was one of my biggest—

What'd I say? Lift. Lift. It was really pixelated. I get the idea how cool it was now is that comparable to that or is this more? Better than that one It's many levels better than the pixelated one that Duncan had right Duncan had the series one which was like a wow Yeah, I think they were like VGA screens or something. It was really crappy.

I might be wrong about that, but yeah. It was kind of like playing Doom. Yeah. Like the old school Doom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you kind of got a sense that this was a game changer. Of where it was going to go, yeah. Yeah, because even though it was so pixelated, you're like, well, they're going to work that out.

They're going to iron out. Here he goes. He's going to try and walk around. This is dangerous right now. Yeah, don't walk into the TV, dude stand still yeah the dog was cool yeah don't talk off mic either yeah yeah it's and the thing and you know part of the conversation here is about content too it's like well how does stuff how do you go from having a piece of video and turning it into 360 degree video like he's

watching right there and we're seeing more and more 360 cameras come out now there's a one from google called jump which is this crazy gopro contraption you may have seen it's uh six or more uh gopro hero 4s which have an incredible field of view and then software is what stitches it all together which is the experience you're seeing in there so theoretically it's not just uh games and digital things but in the future people will shoot video in 360 and enjoy it in 360 yeah that's what i was saying like they can do that with movies like and you could see the same movie over and over again and you'll decide to go outside. You'll decide to go on the porch.

You'll decide there'll be scenes like you go on the porch and the wife and her sister are going to be fighting. Like, I'm fucking leaving him. I can't take it anymore. And the guy's in the bathroom shooting heroin. You go peek in the bathroom, you see him shooting heroin, you know? Yeah.

I don't know why I chose that scene. That sounds pretty intense. But yeah, choose your own adventure type scenario. Or like mysteries where you're opening up cupboards to look for little pieces of land. Yeah, if you're watching it at home, especially if you can actually move around, like on a unidirectional, if you get one of the unidirectional treadmills that operate based on your movement. They're getting better and better with those.

They used to be you got strapped in. Yeah, I've tried one. And you kind of hold on to the thing. But they're getting better. Yeah. And now I think they're developing ones that are detecting which way you're standing and walking so they will move accordingly with you. And then eventually they'll get to a point where it's going to be indistinguishable between

walking outside and walking on this unidirectional treadmill. Yeah. As long as everything's flat. Once you start going uphill and then rugged terrain, that's not going to work out. Tough kind of adjustment. Yeah, like hiking. Like you're never really going to be able to, you know, like the ground's off a little bit left, a little bit right. Part of the thing, though, about it is like I think a lot of people who are into this for consumption are lean back type situations anyways. Right.

Like it would be like having an exercise show on television. I mean, how many people actually participate compared to just want to sit there like a vegetable? Whatever happened to those? Denise Austin. You remember her? They used to have all these like you'd work out along like, get up, come on, let's do it, all right. They're all on Xbox now. Do you remember the Israeli guy on the beach?

He was always really ripped. No. Handsome guy, black hair. Used to have this workout and get everybody pumped up. You don't remember? I don't think so. I never watched that. I don't think so.

Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda. She had videotapes. Imagine if you got into the videotape business a couple days ago. You're like, I'm going to fucking set the world on fire with DVD sales. I watched a DVD last night, and I forgot. The resolution on those are shit when you're watching on a big screen. I've never realized how regular DVD is.

Yeah, 480. I got an email from a company that was offering to transcode all of my YouTube videos into DVDs. I was like, yeah, I'm probably good. We're going to send him off in smoke signals. It was like this huge spiel about how the DVD market is not dead yet, and it could service people who don't have connectivity or something. It looks like it's working, Jamie. Yeah.

Yeah, look. Hooray. You figured it out, you fuck. Go jobs. Yay. We're here. Yeah, so we're live, allegedly. Who knows?

It might not even be working. So this is like maybe one step in this ultimate 3D reality. Reality where consumption for us turns into this um this three-dimensional thing instead of two-dimensional we dealt with two-dimensional now for what uh eight seventy years or however long uh that's not that long man it really stop and think about it i mean it's probably even more than that because, like, what was silent movies? There was the 1910s. Yeah. 20. I don't know.

Yeah, maybe 10s. I don't know. I honestly don't know. But think about the amount of time. But Nosferatu, wasn't that, like, 1904 or some crazy shit? That would be amazing if that's true, yeah. I'm going to say earliest silent movie. I mean, but before that, they had still images, right? So you had photographs, and they went from photographs.

1891. Whoa. Jesus Christ, were we off. Holy fuck, man. Wow. That was Nosferatu. Or which? Oh, that's just the first one.

Yeah, well, the first one, the first talkie was the jazz singer in 1927. Can you imagine? Like in 1927, people sat down like, they're fucking talking. No way. Because they had audio now. Yeah. Wow. And they probably had to sync it up.

I can remember that was like always the big thing with old movies that were synced up bad. The sound was shittily synced up. The lips didn't match the- still happens now go to youtube and there's a video we can't show it can we show it on this oh it's still fucking up okay not when is nosferatu when i want to say nosferatu was like early early 1900s but it might have been, yeah, 22. 22, yeah. 1922. That seems right. That's a fucking dope movie still to this day. Like, that vampire was a good vampire.

Yeah, yeah. Like, for back then, it was like they did it, and they couldn't show much back then because it was, obviously, it was black and white, but it was also, if you looked real close, you'd be like, what the fuck? The makeup and stuff. What am I looking at?

Yeah. But he had, like had like long creepy fingers and he was like some prominent actor of the time if i really i think so uh i don't know maybe i'm wrong i'm no expert but yeah i bet he was i mean but look how fucking they really did a good job wait here i'll pull this up here that was that's a creepy oh very creepy very creepy i mean when you think about 1922 what limited technology they had in some ways i mean you really have to appreciate what it used to take oh yeah i was um on the set of independence day 2 which they're filming is that a thing yeah

i don't know if i was supposed to talk about that. Is this new? Yeah, Independence Day 2. Oh, I'd heard about that. Who's in that? Someone famous, right? Yeah. Hemsworth. There's two Hemsworth, right? Thor? Who was Thor? There's Liam and there's another Chris. Is it brother?

They're brothers and they're both handsome as fuck. Yeah, unbelievable. How dare they? Unbelievable. Not like that guy. No, no. See, I would prefer for him to be the leading man in Independence Day. So he's going to save the world just like Thor did. Basically. Yeah, with his beautiful hair.

But anyhow, I went there and we shot for 13 hours for about 20 seconds of what will actually be in the film, and everything is blue screen. There's nothing around you anywhere. They spent, say, a year shooting it and then another year in post-production, just painting everything in artificially. So you have to kind of appreciate that back then, if they wanted something, it had to happen then. They had to do then yeah they do it

right there in the immediate frame art you know oh like makeup yeah yeah patrick mcgee he's the guy who made that american world from london out in the lobby right that that guy was like he's when i had him on the show he was talking about like those days are kind of going and it sucks because when you look at like fake monsters in movies like perfect examples like those underworld hulk's a good example too the underworld werewolves yeah like they look so vague like they're kind of cool it's cool what they look like it's video game it's like in a different yeah yeah it's cool yeah but you don't think you're looking at a real thing like the twilight werewolf guys when they turn into the wolves in Twilight you like it the fuck out of here that does

not look real yeah it just doesn't look even if it's bad as long as you're looking at a real thing it's not as offensive like the creature from the Black Lagoon it's kind of bad but but you're looking at a real yeah there's like a lighting thing where you can with with the CG, you can tell it. It's almost like the shadows and reflections are kind of off a little bit. And even if you're dealing with poor costume or, well, I mean, that thing out there is perfect. That's better than any CG you're going to possibly get. Well, they're getting better at it, though.

They're getting better at it. Certainly. Like the wolves in Game of Thrones are like the closest to a real animal. They still kind of like to me. Yeah. They still suck. Yeah. But they're the closest.

Why couldn't they get a real wolf for that? They don't listen. Real wolves don't listen. Real wolves do not listen. That's a great point. I have a friend who has wolves, and they're cool animals, but you are not telling them what to do. That is not happening.

Like maybe they'll sit for a second if you give a meet, but they're on their own little trip There's no there's no evidence ever of somebody having trained one Well, you train them, but you might train them like a dog No, like they're fucking like when I went over his house is like whoa. These are not dogs like they're looking at you They're checking you out and when you how they how with you like I'll go into his living room They just can't help it they can't help it they just have to fucking how shit's do that awesome shit's is do yeah Cuz they're like wolf really there from the wolf family. That's hilarious Every dog is family, but a lot of dogs are more closer to the wolf, I guess.

If that's true, it should be true. If that's true, it's not. It's not. Meanwhile, a husky doesn't do that. Yeah, yeah. Huskies look like a fucking wolf. Yeah. But they're weird, man.

That's a weird animal. You can't, they're like this guy that had them. I saw a guy walking to the other day, some old dude, and they had those face things on them that protect, keep their jaws shut. What do they call those things? Musks or muzzle. Yeah, they were muzzled to keep their face from biting people. What's funny is they have this new thing. If we had the internet, I would show you.

They have these new muzzles that look like rabid, angry werewolf faces. So, like, when they put the muzzle on on the dog, the dog looks like it's about to attack. See, that's not a good move. That's terrible. That's not a good move at all because then you have the dog in the park and people threat there. It's an asshole. But if you see it, if you Google it,

it's funny. My dog's hardcore. That would be funny if it was a smiley face. Hi, I'm smiley face. Hi. I'm smiley. Yeah. But this dude who had the wolves, I always felt it was like super irresponsible to have them. His wolves got out and they killed a bunch of the neighbor's sheep.

He lived in Texas. He had this spread in Texas. His family had a ranch. And he'd go out to the ranch and bring his dogs sometimes. Dogs, in quotes. They're seven-eighths wolf, one-eighth eighth dog because you can't own a hundred percent wolf i guess but you can own like like really really high which is bizarre because you get those people with like cheetahs on their couch i'm sure you could own them if you went to those places right there's some states like texas

has some crazy laws yeah texas has you could fucking see there's everything in texas they have all these African animals on these high fence hunting operations you can go and hunt just like you're in Africa you can hunt like oryx and elans

and all these giant fucking African savannah animals land of the free yeah they have a bunch of different muscles it's kind of cute

it's fun if it's a little tiny dog it's kind of cute if it's a pug and then there's like here's the one I was talking about like there's they have like crazy looking ones where it's some

are more real how do you find out about something like this little dog yeah oh okay I was thinking of and is your dog bite no if it did you wouldn't even know down there oh I'm getting bit by a dog what the fuck um so anyway I don't know how the fuck we got on the subject of wolves. But CGI. CG, yeah. There is that, what do they call it? The something valley.

Uncanny Valley. Uncanny Valley. Yeah. With people, like when they show people, NVIDIA had a demonstration and we went to it. And one of the cool things about the demo was you could see what they can't get yet. They can get eyeballs. They can get skin. They're really good at it. But they can't do eyelashes you could see what they can't get yet. They can get eyeballs.

They can get skin. They're really good at it. But they can't do eyelashes. Hair. And they can't do, yeah, hair is bad. The guy in the thing was bald. And they can't do tongues. Like tongues look fake too.

So while the guy was talking, there was no tongue. Like you didn't see his tongue. It's fucking weird. Yeah. It's like a few things. It's like a computational thing like there when you're dealing with something so refined like strands of hair for example yeah and each one behaving independently like long hair thrashing around is like incredibly complex yeah each piece moves so you would need some incredible hardware to be able to

to replicate that but that said it's never stopped the progression in the past. I mean, I got this retro console the other day that plays Nintendo games. So I could be like a hipster and play the original Mario and whatnot. And it's just amazing that in my lifetime, you know, we've already gone from a little guy who's like eight pixels total as your character in the game to what we're working with now. There are some clips on YouTube of people who have taken Grand Theft Auto clips and applied intense shaders and things to them. Have you seen these? Yeah, it's pretty amazing what they're doing with Grand Theft Auto. Someone did that.

They used, god damn it, I just glanced at the article real quickly, but they used the final scene in a show and imported it into a video game. Oh, wow. Yeah. Goddammit. I haven't seen that. It's probably Grand Theft Auto because their Grand Theft Auto Maker or whatever that they released is pretty intense. You can build your own levels and things, movies and stuff. Yeah.

Maybe. Mods and whatnot. But you're talking about how that... The modded one. Yeah, where they've taken like pics or textures and just took it to the next level. So you're looking at... And it's a very slow frame rate

because again, coming back to resource intensive tasks, but you can get a sense for what that will be like. And so like bringing it full circle back to this thing here, I think that the more accessible this stuff becomes, so the cheaper that VR gets and the less that it's tied down to anything, the smaller that it gets, the greater the likelihood that there'll be enough demand

that people will then go and produce cool content for it. Which phone is that? That's the S6, the Samsung S6? It's the S6. men that people will then go and produce cool content for it but um which phone is that that's the s6 the samsung s6 the s6 you can also get this headset for um the note 4 right now there's for some reason those two this is the newest one that they make there are also a generic branded ones that you can slip any phone into the only issue that arises from that is how to interact with it. Like you have these weird switches or buttons sometimes. You don't have a nice touchpad like this one.

So that's the only thing to consider. Doesn't HTC also make one that's pretty like a... The Vive, yeah. That's a standalone headset, yeah. People are saying great things about that. I haven't tried it yet. But every manufacturer is apparently interested in it. And I've been noticing more and more uploads on YouTube.

It's amazing how YouTube sort of has pushed not just this, but also 4K. I upload my videos in 4K, for example. You have these giant productions for television shows, and you can't get that content in 4K. It's bizarre. It's like they spent $100 million. Well, in the case of House of Cards, you could get it in full res. But anyway, you've been able to do that on YouTube for a while. Now you're getting 360 video on YouTube.

I don't know if you've checked any of it out. Yeah, I haven't checked that out. But the 4K is interesting because the new Apple TV that was announced last week supposedly doesn't run 4K, The new Apple TV that was announced last week supposedly doesn't run 4K, which I thought was interesting. Because is it just that they're not pushing the 4K to the masses yet? Yeah. I honestly think it's a bandwidth issue, a connection issue. Everybody is sort of held up by the terrible telco situation that exists here. I did some research recently on, like,

internet connections around the world, and, like, North America is insanely bad. Oh, geez. Oh, for internet connections? Yeah, terrible. It's quite surprising comparatively. South Korea is insane. South Korea is insane,

but even countries you wouldn't expect, like Romania or Latvia. Like, some of these countries, I sort of often converse with my audience members and they send me their speed tests and then tell me what they're paying for it. And I'm sure there's plenty of people listening here that are going to start tweeting out their speeds.

Let us know how fast your internet is and what you pay for it. But in Korea, for example, I think like $10 gets you 100 by 100 up and down is it why is it up so restricted in the united states we have like i have three and that's the fastest you can read up three up i think it's like the fastest that i can get on at&t u-verse it's something to do and i'm not an expert on this but it's it's something to do with the cable and dsl structure that uh's some sort of signal loss, I think, associated with that, where for some reason the upload is more labor intensive. But when you're

talking about fiber is always one by one, right? If it's not, then usually it's not real fiber. And in places with smaller geographic areas, it's easier to run fiber from the CO point right to the actual customers because the density of people makes it worthwhile to do so. And North America, for the most part, is still pretty spread out. But Google Fiber is emerging in more and more cities, is emerging in more and more cities, and it's completely overhauling, going over the top on the incumbent sort of providers, Comcast, AT&T, whoever. And the scary thing was they were trying to merge recently.

Who was it? They did merge, AT&T and DirecTV. Oh, did they? Yeah. Maybe there's another one. Yeah, but I don't think that's what – yeah, it was Time Warner and something else, right? I think it was Time Warner and Comcast. Yeah.

Yeah, were attempting to merge and then the FCC or whatever party it was got involved. Well, when you find out they're throttling data and fucking with people that use Netflix, and then they made a deal, they had to make a deal with Netflix so that they could get more data because Netflix was, they were consistently slower when people were using Netflix than anything else. They fuck with people. Oh, they hate Netflix. They hate the internet. Traditional media is always taking shots wherever they can to sort of slow down this thing that's happening online because they don't control enough of it. But isn't it also because the infrastructure is just not really that good yet?

I mean, they didn't really prepare for the jumps in the Internet usage over the last decade or so. That's true, but there are things they could have done to sort of limit the effect of that, like wireless, for example. If you're on LTE, all of a sudden you've got 20 megabits up. How is it that the wireless connections on your connections on your for a lot of people their cell phone data connection is faster than what they have at home right right but it costs you a lot of money because it's not it's not unlimited so like you could imagine that if you had put up more towers or limit or taking down the cost of wireless data for example like a lot of countries

have had to skip over the um wired connections completely so if you of wireless data, for example. Like a lot of countries have had to skip over the wired connections completely. So if you're in India, for example, they completely skipped like laptops and that whole period of time there where everybody was buying a cable connection or a DSL connection. They're getting cell phones now and their primary data connection is going to be on that mobile device. And it's it's the same in a lot of emerging markets around the world so they're like investing specifically in wireless as opposed to like going backwards and trying to make the wired thing work at all so that's so do they have like data caps on wireless Oh, it's incredibly expensive. Yeah. They have data caps, and they also limit things like text messages. This is why instant messaging apps like WhatsApp are so popular elsewhere in the world.

People trying to scoot around the telcos. It's not expensive. It's expensive relative to what people earn there. So WhatsApp, what does that do? It lets you use the data on your phone instead of using text message minutes? Exactly, yeah. It lets you avoid whatever the telco is going to impose for the cost of a text message. A text message is an incredibly small amount of data, yet you could be traveling and your telco could charge you 25 cents for freedom each one well unless you're on T-Mobile right that's not T-Mobile and

it's it's really bizarre even me okay so I'm from Toronto and and I'm on Rogers not a huge fan or anything but I'm just saying comparatively speaking like when I travel down here the maximum that I can pay over top of my regular bill is five dollars a day maximum data calls whatever that's that's where it's capped out at so you're basically using your regular your regular plan even though you're on AT&T or T-Mobile or whoever it is out here now that's that's relatively recent but T-Mobile came out with something that allows for you to cross the Canadian border and the Mexican border and essentially have your exact same plan on both sides. And most countries.

And most other countries, yeah. My friend just got back from Vietnam, I think it was, or something like that, and he said there was no difference. He's like, my phone worked like it was back home. I didn't get charged a penny more. Do you have to do data roaming? Do you have to do roaming? Do you have to turn on your phone? Technically, you are roaming, yeah.

But do you have to call them and let them know? No, no, no, no. See, that has always been annoying about Verizon. Yeah. T-Mobile is the way to go. And I did a speed test last night. 61 down, 23 up from my house, where my house, the max is three. On mobile.

Yeah. On mobile. That's what I'm talking about. So that's faster than my home. The max is three? max is three three on my home i get three or four so is that dsl or cable attu verse uh i guess fiber but that's supposed to be really good no it's not fiber what's the wire that's coming in what are you plugging in is it a phone line or a cable connection cable connection okay yeah but i don't know i i mean, I thought it was fiber. I get, like, supposedly 50 down and, you know, four up.

That seems insanely low. Yeah, there's tons of marketing confusion around the word fiber because it started to get, like, kind of become a hot term. So everyone wanted to use it. They wanted it in their diet. It's true. That was too easy. Sorry.

But yeah, so everyone started throwing it around, even though it's not the real deal. It's not real fiber. It's like it'll be fiber for this portion of the trip, and then it'll go to copper somewhere in there, and you have signal loss, and you end up with what you end up with. Right.

Now, what is the difference between what Google's trying to do? and you end up with what you end up with. Right. Now, what is the difference in what Google's trying to do? Google gives zero fucks about any of these players. They're not trying to even coordinate with them. They're going into marketplaces, going to the locals, at least this is how Fiverr worked in the early stages,

and saying, would you be interested personally in an insanely fast internet connection, and here's the price we could give it to you for. And so people within a community would sign a petition saying, yes, I'm interested in that. And once they could evaluate the demand, they're building the infrastructure themselves. Whoa. They have that kind of cash. Oh, yes, they do. Their Skynet.

I mean, think about all the different shit they have now. Oh, my goodness. So weird. Yeah. Google Drives. I mean think about all the different shit they have now. Oh my goodness. So weird Yeah, and you'll drives mean how many people have their their info up on the cloud with Google everything is there How come that hasn't been hacked yet? Great question Yeah, not in any big sort of immediate way I'm sure listen if I had if you had to put your trust in somebody on the web right now, there aren't too many parties that have been at it for this long

and sort of had a history of success the way that Google has. Even Apple sort of scrambling to have web services way later than Google did. I mean, Gmail, people don't even think about it you don't even think about your email you're just like yeah what do you mean of course it's on gmail like yeah it's easy the vast majority of people use it but before gmail it was like it was a confusing setup for email when people used to have those little you know used to have things down like outlook yes get your email from outlook yeah you got mail. And you'd have to configure it every time. Oh, yeah.

The pop settings and whatnot. Oh, God, I remember that. You'd have to put in the right settings. Yes. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about all that. Yeah, it was not cool. So I think, and we may have talked about this before, I think their model, the sort of ad subsidy model, has driven these amazing innovations

online. But we were talking earlier when I got here about how ad blocking is like the next big conversation for the web. Well, it's a big conversation for people that are YouTube subscribers. Huge. Like, because YouTube, obviously, guys like you, guys like me in this show put you put ads in the beginning and you get revenue from those ads That's right If you put up ad blocker those ads don't show up and then people don't get those clicks

Mm-hmm, and so they don't get as much revenue and so folks like conscientious people will tell you hey I'm turning off my ad blocker to watch your show. That's right. Just to make sure that you get get your proper payoff. That's right Yeah, so listen up audience turn it off okay turn it back on when you're done with us yeah it's it's a significant amount of money and that's what's fascinating now I mean obviously you guys get a shitload of downloads you can speak on this even better than we could yeah because for us the 90% of the people that get this show get it in audio form only.

YouTube is a fraction. There's Vimeo, there's Ustream, and there's YouTube, and those all together constitute about 10%. Wow. Your whole thing is on,

like when you do an iPhone video. Yeah. The big one was when you exposed that the iPhones were, like, ridiculously easy to bend. Mm-hmm. Like, that was

fucking millions and millions of hits, right? Yeah, almost 70 million now. Wow. Jesus fucking Christ, son. How much does a man make off something like that?

How dare you? This roundabout. The new iPhone has a different... I mean, are we talking cars? Is this a car amount or a nice watch? Something nice. Something good.

Something nice. A nice dinner at a nice place. A bag of treats. For a little fucking video. Come on. Come on with this fucking thing. The new iPhone has a new material, right? That's not as bendable.

Have you been watching Unbox Therapy? Is that how you know that? No, I guessed it. Yeah. You guessed it. I got to play with the new iPhone the other day. Wow. And this guy that works for Apple let me play with it. And I would like to know what you think about it.

I think it's like the first iPhone that I'm not going to buy. I think half the shit they showed were just software updates that this iPhone 6, normal 6, could do easily. Like what? Like the silly thing, the touch thing. I don't want that. You could just push, you could program your phone. If you hold down something for two seconds, a second menu will pop up. Why is this like a big deal?

You know, they made it such a good. I don't understand. What is the difference in the new one? The new one is it's touch, meaning like you push the screen, kind of like that old BlackBerry that you used to have, the BlackBerry Touch that was a piece of shit. God, remember that piece of shit? Yeah. What was that?

Torch? No. No, this one was their first screen and the whole screen pushed down. It was like you would click, click, click, click, click, click. When you make a text message, you would push the screen. Thunder? Thunder. Thunder?

Something like that. No. I don't know. Blackberry. Shit. Storm. Storm. That's what it was. I hated that fucking phone. A Blackberry storm. There's a storm brewing. But one of their biggest things was like now you don't have, like if you push it down, it recognizes that you're applying pressure on the screen so it can pop up a second menu

based on that. But you could also just program your phone. If you hold something down for two seconds that will pop up a second menu. We already have that kind of. You know, I don't see the big... So does the phone

actually physically give in? It has a little teeny, teeny, teeny thing. And it also has a little vibrate that's a little bit more powerful.

How often is that going to go off in your pocket? Yeah. Like move some shit, your keys touch it, it clicks. The other thing was

that they made a big deal about how like, hey, we wanted to take the technology of the flash that's on the new iPhone and put it in the front. But then they didn't do that. They just make the screen flash three times brighter. And I used it and it did work very well. For selfies? For selfies. But it wouldn't like get Jamie from way over there. And it won't work for a video either.

Like if you want to do a selfie video. It wouldn't work for a video. So it's kind of like they selfie video it wouldn't work for a video so it's kind of like they were kind of side talking like hey we want to put this flash but now we found out well it's whenever they have an s they don't go too far off the original sometimes some people make the argument though that with the s version you're getting a more you're getting a refinement on the first gen device right which could theoretically have problems uh now not to toot my own horn here how dare you but get ready for the toot

i'm getting too comfortable right now um but the video i made that got a lot of traction got a lot of traction, the bend test video. It sort of exposed a weak point in the device, which was, that's incredible by the way, which was around the volume buttons. And I managed to get my hands on a leaked component recently for the upcoming iPhone and run some tests on it. And it turns out that the next generation of the phone is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 to 70% stronger because they've added zinc to the aluminum structure with the aluminum alloy, which turns it into something they call a 7000 series

aluminum. And that's the stuff they use in aerospace nasa so on and so forth and it it's essentially just way stronger without adding any kind of weight in fact the shell itself is was it was a little bit lighter so i did this test with this crazy contraption i took just the back shell so just the aluminum part from the regular six and then from the upcoming 6S. And the old one bent at 30 pounds of force. And the new one was around 80. And the reason I know about the existence of zinc, and I dropped that information before Apple's keynote, is because I went to a place called Elemental Controls, which is like this super crazy scientific joint where they have this gun that shoots x-rays into any alloy and will

tell you exactly down to like two decimal points what the elemental makeup is oh that's pretty fucking badass yeah it was where's that place it was uh it was near the airport in toronto like shout out elemental controls because these guys were so badass. I'm like, hey, I got this leaked iPhone component, and I might need your help. They're like, come down right now. I was like, really? They probably wanted to know, too. They were just as pumped as I was. That's awesome.

They were just as, I mean, you know, a couple of old guys. Their business is normally like when someone's doing a big order of aluminum, like you're buying a boatload from China, literally, they'll sometimes scam you and say that you're getting this alloy when it might look exactly the same as one that's chintzy on the zinc, let's say, for example. So they can just go through sheets of this stuff with this gun and make sure they're buying what they think they're buying. Wow. What about the new glass? They're not using the new Gorilla Glass on their new iPhone.

No, it's a double, some kind of double version of their Ion X coating. I have the glass as well at my studio, so when I get back, I'm going to be doing a preemptive scratch test to see how much better it is. Let's put that bitch on the target. I'm interested in that. I'm interested in that because That was so much fun. I'm interested in that because the iPhone 6 and the 6 Plus are the first two phones that I've had, like every single phone, that I've actually cracked.

And I thought it was interesting that both of them. That also coincides with some heavy fucking drinking. You have to think about that, dude. You've been on a bender. You talked about it. Not lately. Like when the phones have been breaking. No, I mean, like, you've been on a bender. You talked about it, like, right when the phones have been breaking.

Yeah, but, like, as an example, the iPhone 6 Plus, when I was getting out of my car, it slid out of my pocket, which was only, like, three feet when I'm getting out of my car. Not even three feet, like two feet, and it cracked. Yeah. And it was barely a fall. That seems weird. Well, there is a bit of a theory on that about sort of the rigidity of the chassis or lack thereof that might contribute to the glass having to bear the brunt of the impact. Even if you hit not directly on it, that there might be enough flex in that aluminum. Well, speaking about cases, do they have any really good cases that have power, that give you right that aren't gigantic how they have they shrunk those fuckers down yet

they're all pretty fucking bad listen if you're if you're already on a six-plus that's a big phone to begin with yeah you throw a battery case on there and you're carrying a brick around here's the thing this is my biggest criticism of what's happened happening in cell phone tech is that they want to make an impression on you when you come into the store and play with the device. So they're going to make it as thin as they possibly can. So you come in there and you're like, oh, that's so sexy. I'll take it. Yeah. Until three days later when it doesn't make it through the day because the battery is so small. The-gen here's the crazy thing the next-gen iPhone and they

didn't even cover this in the keynote they did not talk about this at all the next-gen iPhone will have a smaller battery than this one what and how crazy is that wait a minute wait a minute the number one after the s no the 6s will have a smaller battery than the 6 so this is better than the 6sS will have a smaller battery than the 6. So this is better than the 6S for battery life. It will have a slight amount more battery life. How much? It's like 80 milliamp hours or something like that. Basically, I mean, it's insignificant, but the point being is that they're not responding to part of the consumer demand,

which is my demand, which is better battery life I'll take would you take a slightly thicker version of that yes for double the battery life. Yes. Yes, absolutely Well also this is not that thick this is nice. Yeah Yeah, I like this yeah six that I have right here like that is pretty goddamn thin if you need it thinner than that No, no, but what I'm saying is that what they need I mean, why are they making it thin? No, he's saying you make it thicker, but no that's not what I'm saying is that what they need I mean, why are they making it thin? No, he's saying it make it thicker, but no, that's not what he's saying What he's saying is that this new one is thinner and somehow the battery is thinner Smaller small. I think part of it has to do with some of the internal components taking up more space

Okay, so this like this chassis like what you've got here will be the exact same on the new It'll be actually a little bit bigger It'll be thicker a little bit because of these'll be thicker. A little bit because of these new materials. Because they want it to be rigid, more rigid. Yeah. So it's part of the rigidity is the adding of zinc and part of it is the fact that they're making it thicker? Yeah, they're reinforcing certain areas.

So like near the volume. Why would they do that and take the battery life down? Yeah, well, but that's the thing is that they've never had an S model where they've really reconfigured the layout. Maybe in the next version, but usually for the S model, it looks exactly the same, right? They don't come out with a fresh version. Right. Their manufacturing setup is not right for that.

It seems so silly, though, because they obviously are making it slightly different because they're making it thicker inside. Yeah, they're doing, their feeling is that it shouldn't look, to the average person, if they pick up one or the other, they'll look and feel the same. But, I mean, if you had just, like, this size, but just a little thicker and maybe a little more durable so you wouldn't need a case? Yeah, well, check this out. Here's the Samsung Active. That is exactly what that is. So this phone here that I'm carrying is the S6 Active.

This is the one they have that's waterproof. The waterproof part is cool. This doesn't have a case on it? Nope. Yeah, that's built in. That's like a man's phone right there. I feel like a man with a phone. Yeah, that's a tool.

That's not a toy. What do you got there, John? That's the, Brian, that's Note 5. I've seen the Note 5. No, I mean, just a comparison of, like, the thickness of it. I mean, is this too thick for you, Joe? No, no, John. That's the, Brian, that's note five. I've seen the note five. No, I mean, just a comparison of like the thickness of it. I mean, is this too thick for you, Joe?

No, no, no. That has a 3500 milliamp hour battery. That never dies on me before I go to bed. So this is the one that's waterproof, the whole deal.

Shock resistant, dust proof. I take it in the shower. This is the fucking phone. Butt. Butt. Shit. Yes.

What's with the butt? There's a butt. It is an AT&T exclusive. Oh fuck Sir what the fuck? Yeah, I know terrible, but you can do a and TAT unlocked and mobile Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is really that much better than AT&T way better. Well around here around here in my experience Yeah, and also in Vegas What is so you could get this unlocked and then you bring it to T-Mobile. You're getting a phone call, son.

I'm going to tell him to fuck off. We're on a show. How do I do that? Do I slide it? Yeah, slide that over. That's annoying, too. One thing that I thought was weird that they did in the keynote, where they said the battery was not as strong as the 6,

they said, well, the new operating system is going to give you an hour more battery yeah well yeah but but well but they i just updated the operating system on my six so i can an hour more battery life on this one also theoretically yeah yeah but you don't even know because you just up it's probably gonna suck they're gonna they're gonna fuck you just like they always do always do right there's software updates always fuck you. Yeah, I mean, I'm never on the forefront of it. Not on my main device. Dude, I like this a lot.

It's a man's phone. What's it called again? The S6 Active. Active? Yeah. I like it a lot. I like how you've got two different time zones on there, too. See what I'm doing?

You know what time it is at home. See what I'm doing? Dude, this is a good phone. It's also got a programmable button on it, this one right here, which you can configure as a shortcut for anything you want. So you can make it a voice recorder, like if cops were fucking with you. Whatever your favorite thing to launch is. Yeah, it can launch anything instantly from there.

Or if a girl, red band, is trying to get you arrested, and explaining how she's about to try to get you arrested. Probably a good time. And then calls 911. No, I called 911. All right, let's get off that. I like this topic here. I like that phone a lot.

Yeah, so this is kind of really frustrating, the Apple thing. That's just... But one thing, though, we're talking a lot of shit about Apple here. I think that there's one thing that remains to be seen, and that's the camera. The camera on the next model will be an improvement. I'm 100% positive.

It's 12 megapixel. It's going to shoot 4K. And Apple knows the camera has been the battleground of smartphones for the last five, six years. If you have the best camera, you're going to sell phones and The problem for apple right now is they don't there's no argument that the s6 camera is better I guess you could make an argument subjectivity color representation blah blah blah the s6 shoots better photos Than the current iphone and that's a big problem for them So I fully suspect so So the Galaxy S6

is what you're talking about. Yeah. So people who are listening are getting confused. How perfect is it that it's the 6S and the S6? Those are the competing products. The iPhone 6S and the Galaxy S6. So when he says S6, he's talking about this.

What about the Active? Does the S6 Active have the same camera? Yeah, so this phone, I'm going to take this out for a second. This phone is essentially... Hardcore. Yeah. You know what? I'm glad that we did, though. We got right into it. Yeah. So this is this phone. That's the same phone.

This is the pretty version. This is the active version. I like the active version better. But you can see form factor wise, you're going to add a little bit, but... But you don't have to worry about dropping it. You don't have to have a case on it. That's right. And better battery.

So it wins. You have, like, 25% more battery life. 25% more than the S6 regular? This is 3,500 milliamp hours. I think this is 2,700. So, I mean, I probably have my math wrong there. Why doesn't Apple smarten up and make one of those I took out my old iPhone one the other day and it was like this cute little pebble and it was little had a

little weight to it but I was thinking what if they just redid the idea of that and making a little thicker and having a battery that lasts two days because it actually felt good I didn't care about the iPhone oh yeah I always have a case on this anyway so it's always slightly thicker Right like when I feel this right here like this size. This is pretty thin when I feel that though Yeah, that's not like this is like what this would be with a case on it, but this is better Mm-hmm. It's better to build it in like that Yeah, door everybody drops her fucking phone at some point at some point Why not make a phone that you can drop I mean we're not talking about laptops

Yeah, or or spill on this is the show not talking about laptops. Yeah. Or spill on. This is the shit. Spill's the big one. Yeah, spill is huge. I've soaked that thing. I've submerged it completely in a glass. You're going to pee on it? That's next.

Brian will. That's the next step. P-test. P-test. About to blow up YouTube. This is pretty dope, dude. Yeah. I like it.

And you can get to the camera right from there. And the camera on this is better than the iPhone camera In my opinion it is Yeah, oh the the the selfie camera especially because it's it's way wider It's way wider. Yeah, it's way wider. So you could get like two three people in there a lot easier I tried the new angle the new selfie camera on the new iPhone compared it to my I took took two comparison shots, one of the 6 and one of the 6S, and it

almost seemed to be exactly the same. It wasn't a huge deal. On the front-facing? Yeah. Front-facing won't be a huge change. It'll be all about the rear camera. So that might be the phone to get right now. Which one? The S6 Active. Here's the problem. Most people don't buy their phones outright.

They go in, they get a subsidy, they sign a contract. Right. So if you want an S6 Active, you're going to have to buy it full pop off AT&T if you're not on AT&T. That's the only way? Or you know the people from Samsung. They don't have it, RDS. What? They don't have it?

No, because I think it's because it's an AT&T exclusive. It's kind of like a weird phone. How the fuck could they not have it if they're the hookup? They offered us the white glove service. Do you know about the white glove service? I do not. That's what I talk about. I do not.

What happens in the white glove service stays in the white glove service. Yeah, we show up at the comedy store. They show up with phones. They give us a bag. Wow. Then we'll go get a little hug, and we're gone. I love it. Handshaking is done. Yeah, they'll send you a bag. Wow. Then we'll go get a little hug, and we're gone. I love it. Hand shaking, it's done.

Yeah, they'll send you a chip. You put a little fucking card in there. Yeah, I think it's a good time for phones. I mean, it's fascinating that everyone has to compete at this level because if you look at the evolution of phones over the iPhone 1 to now, we're only talking about, what was that, 2009? Yeah, it's nothing. That's fucking crazy.

So six years ago, we had this little fat thing that lasted about an hour and a little tiny-ass screen that your thumb could cover the whole screen practically. Now we have this big, beautiful mini tablet. It's a phablet, right? Is this technically a phablet or does it have to be bigger? No, no mini tablet. It's a phablet, right? Is this technically a phablet? Or does it have to be bigger? No, no, no. I mean, you could call it that, although China is now pushing phones that are gigantic.

So it's hard to call it seven inches. What? Yeah. What do they have? Well, didn't Samsung have a mega? Samsung still does have a mega in Asia. They love huge phones in Asia. You can't get it in America?

I don't believe so. Not for many of the major carriers. Well, that's a crock of shit. There's a company that's emerging quickly called Huawei. That does not feel good to say, but that's the name of the company. They're number three, I believe, right now as far as scale for smartphone manufacturers. They have various devices six inches and above, like many a selection of these things are well I mean you can imagine what's what's the seven inch one called I can't remember so but it's this giant iPad mini that

is it is that size well the bezel it's it's they've done had minis nine is it nine or is it seven yeah the full-size iPad is 9.7. The new one, though. The new one. There's a new one that's 12, right? You might want that. 12.9? Well, because you're into illustrations and whatnot, right?

Right. Yeah, I mean, with the pen, it's unbelievable. Yeah, but I like drawing on paper. You would never even consider it? Yeah, I would consider it. Yeah, because what I was saying earlier is, the the iPad Pro the upcoming iPad has the highest resolution display of anything that Apple's ever put out actually maybe arguably anything commercially available in the tablet space phone space well how long before someone makes a VR and slaps

that sucker oh yeah that'd be no yes get a nice field of view that'd be perfect why didn't they make this touch sensitive? It almost seems like that would make more sense to have the iPad Pro be touch sensitive instead of using a pen that's touch sensitive. More people are going to draw on it. Like the Cintiq is pressure sensitive. Yeah, yeah. What's a Cintiq?

Cintiq is a drawing pad, meaning it can detect the pressure. That's what it is. That's what it is. meaning it can detect the pressure. That's what it is. That's what it is. It almost seems like they're releasing it first on the iPhone 6 just so the iPad Pro 2 would have it. Yeah, I don't know.

It's a hard one for me to figure out. I've been messing around with the Note, with the pen, and trying my best to make it a part of my day. And it's a tough transition on a display this size. But you can imagine, the pen is still far more precise than your finger could ever be. Your finger could never select a single pixel on a high-resolution screen.

It's not a point. So what's weird is, if there were a little jar of ink here, what would I choose to write with my finger dip it in there or the pen that's decided like why did we choose in the traditional world this and yet it seems so bizarre to carry that forward into the digital world i think part of it has to do with the fact that there's no place there's no place for it you're using this thing on the go there's a lot of arguments there. But when it comes to a tablet, it's almost always at home, always on the couch. I just feel like maybe, I don't know, maybe this could shift the paradigm and people will look at these things as actual notepads finally.

I don't know. Well, I used the Note 5 for a while or the 4. 4. 4, 4, 3. Whatever the fuck I used. One of them. Yeah. And I enjoyed the pen. You used it the first I used one of them. Yeah, and I enjoyed the pen you used it

I liked it for collecting images I thought it was really cool I could directly collect an image from from a thing and it would say save it for me and store it for me Yep, the fact that it was so easy to cut things and paste them and save them as notes Mm-hmm, you know, I really like that and I really like that you draw dicks on people's faces. That's also perfect I was happy with that. I look at my one note picture that I have in here, and it's just a dick It actually synced up with Evernote so when I would draw My notes out I would say something I would write like comedy notes out And then I would sync it with Evernote and then i would look at it as an actual drawing as the actual me writing the physical words like i still have it saved up on evernote

and it's i like it a lot because but you don't miss you don't miss not having it though the pen you're right i don't i don't miss it that much but if i it's not as much like i don't miss it as much as i like this phone better than that phone. Yeah, I understand what you mean. But, like, see this? I used to have them like that, so I would draw them. That's cool. Yeah, I mean, you can save them.

Yeah, I mean, there is something. Yeah, this is on the 5. And you can scroll through them so much easier than you could a notebook. Yes. And then just write it down like that. There are definitely advantages. It's just about getting over this hurdle of usability. It's kind of like smartwatches as well.

I don't know if you've tried any of those, like Apple Watch or anything like that. I can't get into it. Can you get into that at all? If I was given one, I would be into it, but I just can't. It's too much money for me. Oh, well, mine's collectible.

That's what it is? Really? Yeah, for a lot of people. How much are those? For the one I want is about $800, $700. Like the middle one. Isn't there a stupid one that's like $25,000 that's like made of gold or something? It's around

$16,000, I believe. What an asshole you would have to be to buy that. The weird thing about that, too, is you're going to sell a super luxury $16,000 watch. Don't you want other people to know that it's a $16,000 because it looks exactly like every other Apple watch

you know what I mean so what is it just a metal that it's made out of it's just made out of gold but there's a market for that shit oh yeah they sold out in China in the first 24 hours you know there was an article recently that I read about Beverly Hills

that there's an insane amount something like I think they were saying something between 25 and 29% of all real estate in Beverly Hills is being bought up by people from Saudi Arabia and Beverly Hills. In Beverly Hills. Excuse me, Saudi Arabia and China. Oh, okay, yeah. And that, like, literally that entire area has been purchased by foreign companies or foreign countries. These people that have ungodly amounts of money because of oil money. Yeah. So, like, we went to, I talked about this recently, we went to this steak place in Beverly Hills.

And there was a guy, they're importing cars from Saudi Arabia for the summer. They call it saudi summer and they come down here because in the summer there it's 150 fucking degrees so they come down here and they drive their unregistered cars around beverly hills these million dollar bigotti veyrons so they have these bugatti veyrons and all these fucking super million dollar cars with saudi plates and one and i was with my friend who's from Iran, and he speaks Persian and Farsi, and he can read Arab. And I guess Farsi is what they speak. Whatever.

I think so. But he can read Arabic. And he said it says palace on it. It said palace on the license plate, and it said 222222. It was all twos. So it was like the prince, probably, because they couldn't get 111-111 because that's the king. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, this guy has his fucking $1.5 million car that's not even registered in America,

and he's driving around in a valet parking it in front of this steak place. Right. I'm like, this is a strange co-opting of this area because it's such a name place. It's like there's a high value to that Beverly Hills name. Right. So because of that, they said that some ungodly percentage of all homes over $10 million are being purchased by rich people from Saudi Arabia and China. Yeah. They're just scooping them up.

They're not even living in them. people from Saudi Arabia and China. They're just scooping them up. They're not even living in them. I think there's a push to sort of evacuate some of the money from those environments because there's an uneasiness about what happens in the future in those economies.

So you get yourself diversified. But a weird kind of diversified. You get lucrative. People were tweeting that to me today. People were tweeting to me that this guy tweeted to me that he works at a restaurant and that all the people that work at that restaurant were yelling out, let's get lucrative.

Let's get lucrative. I want to know where the T-shirt is because. We need to make it. Yeah, I think there's a few people that would pick that up. I'd be getting lucrative. There's a few people that would pick that up. I'd be getting lucrative. But yeah, man, the money that it would cost for that little $25,000 watch is nothing for those kind of people. And that would be the instant thing they would want.

They would want that high-end thing. It's funny. You talked about the license plates. I can't remember where I watched this. I don't know if it was a documentary or just a clip about the bidding that goes on in Dubai for the specific specialized license plates. Like, exactly like you said, the lower the number. So having the car isn't prestigious enough because everybody's got one. That's so fucking weird.

They'll have auctions for, like, license plate number one, number two, number three. And, you know, it's in the millions of dollars. one, number two, number three, and it's in the millions of dollars because when you get to the crazy level of status and whatnot, things get bonkers really quick. As far as what you need to do, how absurd things need to be for you to make a statement anymore. So anyway. Well, in that culture, if that's what you're going for

is only the most obvious form of material rampant materialism Yes, you know if you're if you if that's what you're going for. Yeah, that's what you want You want to get like the number one license plate like look at him. He's got a Bugatti Veyron He has a five million dollar license plate. There you go. That's so stupid So weird is it what if you have that much money, is it, though? That's the thing. Yeah, it is. You have more money than you could ever spend. Right, but why would you want that license plate?

Why do you give a fuck? That's a good point. If you have that much money and you're still trying that hard, what kind of an environment are you competing in? What kind of vampires are you trying to conjure up to bring into your life? That's a good point. Who are you trying to impress? You already have a fucking giant yacht.

You have a giant fucking house. You have a giant fucking house. You have a $1.7 million car. Does anybody look at your license plate and go, look at you with a regular fucking license plate? You can't even afford a license plate. Yeah, you're not in the club. You're not allowed in. I think it's more a thing of like in order to maintain your competitiveness, you have to keep on approaching these things that shouldn't be attainable. Like anybody working in anything,

right? I think, I think that you have to put these challenges in front of yourself. Like I got to get the extra million for the right license plate. That's just a weird, a weirdo version of that. Isn't it? It is.

It's all weirdo versions because like labels are critical. people want labels like it's like very nice like someone was making fun of me because I have a Lexus really what do you drive an Alexis for once you have a Mercedes or BMW or something like that I'm like this is a great car what's wrong with you you it's like nobody's impressed by a Lexus you know you pull up that's a Toyota. You know, you're pulling up in a Japanese car. I guess. But fucking, so what? Yeah.

Like, what is wrong with people that that becomes a giant issue? I don't know. Branding? Branding? Branding is strange, man. It is. Because I was in one of those, what are they called? Whatever the fucking high-end Hyundai is now.

Oh, Genesis? Yeah. Yeah. what are they called uh whatever the fucking high-end hyundai is now oh genesis yeah yeah i was in one of those and i was like this is a fucking great car it feels like a mercedes in here but i wouldn't drive it because it's hyundai yeah i was thinking that i was thinking like would i drive i mean i probably would but it's hyundai is like a it's hard to get excited about that. Whereas at least Lexus is like higher end than that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm guilty of the thing I'm mocking really.

I think everybody is. I think we, I think it's a way, you know, certain access to a particular way of life, that the shortcut, the rich guy's shortcut to buying the right thing is to buy an expensive one, right? You walk into a store, they've got a bunch of shirts, which one should I have? Well, I can like bypass the whole research structure by just buying the best. You know, like the average person when they're going to purchase a car, they spend, I think, I heard this stat recently, it's about 52 days from when they get the idea that they need a new car to the point at which they make the purchase. Researching it.

There's various stages throughout. It's actually getting shorter, though, which is kind of strange. I think the Internet's getting better, to be honest with you. Yeah, well, YouTube videos on reviews of cars are awesome now. They're so critical. Yeah, and so I think that's really expediting the process. But anyway, yeah, I think that generally speaking, those who have an abundance of wealth don't have as much time, usually. That's usually the way it works.

So you kind of try to bypass that whole process by buying the best thing. And that's where brands come in. Brands almost help you in a way of you sort of through their prestige and their established symbol that I know if I get that, I'm good. And I don't need to ask anybody about that. I don't need to, you know, I don't need to pull my friends or whatever. It's like a, it's like a hack. It's the quickest way towards that It's like a fancy a fancy liquor or you know the right cigar or you know I mean, it's like you can find an example of that in almost every product category It's the same reason why Samsung is Samsung now It took so much time and so much money for that to be an acceptable brand. Yeah, don't you make weapons too? Probably I'm pretty sure they make weapons. I think in Korea they make everything, but... I'm pretty sure Samsung makes missiles or some shit. Let's say Samsung makes weapons.

Let's see. You know, you're probably right. I know they make all kinds of things in Korea that never make it here. Samsung also makes weapons. Check out all they do. Jesus Christ, they make fucking tanks. Yeah, vehicles.

The Samsung Techwin Surveillance Aeronautics. This is fascinating. Optoelectronics. I don't know what that is. Automations and Weapons Technology Company. It's a subsidiary of Samsung Group. Huh. Yeah, they make fucking weapons.

They even make jet engines. They make tanks, ARVs, and even jet engines. Yeah, I mean, those big technology companies got to diversify your portfolio. Oh, yeah. Get lucrative. Got to get lucrative. That's the best way to get lucrative, make weapons. People are always looking to blow shit up.

There's always someone in some part of the world that's like, if I just had something that could blow these motherfuckers up over there. That'd be all good. That was the real game changer when it came to war, right? Once they could start blowing shit up and they weren't anywhere near it. Yeah. When London started getting bombed during the World War II. Yeah.

Even World War I when they started launching bombs and using chemical gas and essentially killing people at a long distance yeah without having to see them yeah yeah and now we're we're even further past that like with a game controller in it yeah well that's why i wanted to bring that up like the drones like now they're having drones did you see that one guy that stitched together all those drones with some sort of software oh to a chair? Yes, I saw that. Like, that guy's kind of bypassing all the aeronautics rules, because there's

rules. Like, if you want to get a helicopter, you have to get a helicopter license. You have to, you know, tell people where you're flying. We're in a strange point right now where technology is progressing at this insane speed, and the legal system takes way longer than that. There's not enough time to go through all the steps necessary on that side of it to catch up with the technology as it's happening.

Drones, what was that story the other day where there were all those drones up in the air, and the helicopters couldn't get to a scene where someone needed to be airlifted? Yeah. I think that was here, right? Yeah, they were using, people were using video drones to take videos of something that was going on. What was that, an accident or something like that? I think it was an accident and a helicopter needed to get in there to pull the person out. And they couldn't because of the drones. And they couldn't because of the drones.

Yeah, well, they're going to have to have drone blockers the way movie theaters should have cell phone blockers you know like people are on their fucking phones and movie theaters all the time yeah one of the most annoying things ever well you're gonna have that those blockers i don't know how you do it because yeah i mean because it's uh it's a radio frequency right yeah it's just it's uh rf from your there's gonna be seek and destroy type drawing drones that you just like throw in the air and they just go after these drones and somehow knock them out of commission. Yeah, but you can't have aerial warfare over the freeway. Yeah, they'll drop on little kids' heads. First time a baby gets killed by a falling drone that was taken out by a company.

Oh, yeah. I was on the beach the other day just hanging out, and it was a pretty empty beach in Santa Barbara. And I just heard this like, and like I was like what is that noise I look up and there's just a drone sitting there right above me like I don't know super high up you could almost barely see it and then it just flew away and I looked around I didn't see anybody controlling how far can they go now like a mile right God I mean I think it probably depends on like a military ones or do like a personal personal yeah no personal one I think it probably depends on, like, military ones or, like, a personal one. A personal one. Yeah, no, a personal one, I think, is still relatively line of sight.

Like, you have to, I think the minute you can't make it out, it's probably out of range. It just falls out of the sky? Or does it come back? But that's the craziest part. The drone people are going to get really upset with us right now, by the way. Because we don't know what the fuck we're talking about. Yeah, not just that, but it's a very sensitive subject matter. Because these enthusiasts are super into it.

Like a lot of people and guys like us come and we talk about only the shitty part of it, like them falling out of the sky and killing people. And they think that's going to influence government, which will then take away their freedom to do that thing. Just like everything else, right? People that love doing something, they want to protect that freedom. But, like like for example i've done videos on these little like toy drones they're they're nothing you know you fly them indoors or whatever and if you get any of the terminology wrong or you talk about them being dangerous in any way or anything like that you're going to have an entire like a script in your

comment section about like that you're fucking it up for us you know you're you're influencing the public opinion you should know what you're talking about you've got a point though right you know they do they do have a point but so does the public at large in seeing a flying thing above their head and wondering if the connection between the thing controlling it and it itself is stable enough to keep it up there. Well, not only that, how about just the privacy intrusion? If you're some person who's sunbathing, some woman, maybe you have a fence, you like to

sunbathe naked because you're in a private, you know, you're in a backyard and no one can see in. And you want to take your top off and get your tits tanned and you can't do that anymore. Who doesn't? Someone's... 4K video of your tits now on the internet. And zoom in on it. Yeah.

And then also the Oculus Rift effect, because when I was on that sci-fi show, we did some things where we took drones and we strapped cameras to these drones, and we flew over the top of these trees in the Pacific Northwest. It was like the Looking for Bigfoot episode. We're flying around looking for Bigfoot

with a fucking drone. Obviously more of a goof than anything. But the goggles were fucking crazy. It was cool. So you were seeing its vision through VR. So I'm watching. It feels like I'm flying. Because my field of vision is just like

the VR field of vision. And you're connected to the camera that's attached to this drone. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's going to get real, real strange. And again, like you said, the regulations have not caught up to the technology.

At all. The technology is going to move way faster than these dummies that are making the regulations in the first place. They don't really know what's going on. No. And how do you... Again, how do you person to get to be interested in getting into government to write these? Regulations right who's actually familiar with the thing like why in the God's name would they want to do this at that point? They have to get elected they have to I mean it's a whole process of getting intelligent people into the spot

They should be in is Too slow too convolut, and the world is changing too quickly. So the people who make the laws have to rely on experts. They have to hire people. Except who are those experts? Who are those experts? What are their agendas?

What's their credentials? And essentially, there's young kids that haven't even graduated from high school yet that know as much or more than anyone these people are going to hire in the first place. Exactly. Like these comments that you're getting, these detailed comments critiquing you. They might be from like that 14-year-old kid in fucking Dallas that got arrested today because his teacher thought he was making a bomb because he made a homemade clock. Yeah.

But he happened to be making and inventing things while brown. And that's very dangerous. Especially with an Arab last name especially in texas his name is like ahmed muhammad yeah almost as bad as barack obama yeah barack hussein obama i mean it's like fucking for for people looking for something bad like oh you know his fucking middle name yeah it's hussein it's that's a that's a that's a shitty story it's a terrible story the kid got arrested with a fucking NASA shirt on. Dude, I noticed the exact- that's where my head went at the exact same time.

When I saw the photo, I was like, he's wearing a Nasa- that- I don't know why that stood out to me and made me especially sad. The NASA shirt. The kid's a genius. He's a little genius. That's what it is. Yeah, I see. He makes his own radios.

It sort of implied a passion for the thing that he got arrested for. Yeah, well, it's pure racism. It's racism in its purest form. And, you know, it's just amazing that someone wasn't skilled enough to talk to this kid, socially skilled enough to go, what do you got there? What's going on, man? And so he could have probably gone, well, I make my own computers, and I make my own this, and what I've done here is I've strung together all these electronics and built a clock, and I've figured out how to do that. I mean, you could easily talk to someone if you're skilled.

Oh, yeah, of course. And someone who's a smooth talker. Yes. And then the kid wouldn't feel bad at all, and he could probably explain how he did it and what he likes to do, and you'd be like, well, you are an amazing student and congratulations. Would you mind showing that to the class? And then you've got a positive out of this instead of like, oh, look at him. He's a little brown kid and he's making a fucking bomb.

He's trying to kill everybody. He's 14. How would you go look through the database? Is there any 14-year-old suicide bombers? Is there any that we've ever had in Dallas? Oh, not here. Yeah, I mean in the Middle East. Yeah, in the Middle East.

The martyrs. There was a horrible fucking documentary that I watched where they had this school, and they had all these kids on the wall of the school that were strapped up with these explosion vests, and it said, today's children are tomorrow's holy martyrs. Oh, right, right. Yeah. That's some shocking shit. Yeah. That's some shocking shit. Yeah.

It is some shocking shit. Yeah. This kid. I mean. It's probably the best thing that happened to this kid, though. Did he say the president's tweet to him? No, what did the president say? The president says, cool clock, Ahmed.

Want to bring that to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to do science. It's what makes America great. We should find out who the fuck people are that arrested him. I don't know if that's healthy. That's healthy for them. They need to know what it feels like to have the whole world say, Hey, man, you're on a global platform now.

You're not just in Texas. You've been doing some racist Texas shit. But don't you feel like sometimes the wild goose chase breeds a weird kind of internet violent mentality? Or at least a mob mentality, for sure. Yeah, like everyone, let's get, like the threats that the lion killer was getting. Yes. You know, like, what I'm going to do to your children.

It's like, how does that, where did we, how do we escalate there? And it's because when you're in this chamber of all this noise, people sort of elevate their level of how much of what they're willing to do to counteract this thing that they disagree with. Yeah. Well, there's also a lot of people that are super upset with their life. Their life is not good. Right.

And they're looking for anything to be mad at and point their anger towards. And anything that's justified justified like obviously the lion killer that's a nice big green light you know this guy shot a fucking lion it took 40 hours for the thing to die and then they had to go and kill it on some private or some public property that's not even you're not even allowed to hunt there he had a collar on they cut the collar off the guy was a poacher he has a history of poaching. He poached a bear. He lied about where he shot it. He shot it for like 40 miles away from where he said he did.

There was all sorts of shit about that guy that was easy to target on. So then the fucking hate is free. You got a green light. You just close your eyes and hit the gas. Jared. Jared from Subway. That's another one. But you know what? That's not just legit.

I mean, how much hate is there towards that guy? I didn't see the kind of death threats towards Jared from Subway that I saw towards the Lion Killer guy. I've never seen anything like that. The Lion Killer thing was, to me, evidence of a complete breakdown in social media. Have you guys ever seen Black Mirror? The TV show from the UK? Yeah. I've only seen one episode, the one with the pig.

The first one. Yeah, that's all I saw. Yeah, well, that's the kind of example I'm talking about is it seems like when the signal to noise ratio gets fucked up enough, we sort of lose our faculties. Like your whole feed. How the fuck is my, I didn't sign up for a day's worth of line tweets right well you also have to deal with the numbers of humans that are able to communicate freely that's the the signal to noise ratio like you talked about earlier that the real kicker is

it used to be to be able to get on television you had to be Walter Cronkite and here's the news you had to be an established person who had a degree in journalism or a history as a journalist. Now you just have to get on an application that anyone can download in two seconds on your phone and you just start talking shit. I'm going to come to your house.

I'm going to throw your kids in a wood chipper. All that shit they were saying to that guy, Corey Knowlton, that shot the rhino in that Radiolab episode that we were talking about. I mean, they said some horrible, horrible shit to him. And it's because they felt like they could. And those are the same people. They're angry already.

Like they're already angry. This is just a nice target for that anger. And it's not balanced and it doesn't make sense. And it's not rational, the focus of this anger. But it doesn't have to be because you don't get to pick who you're getting that data from. Like, okay, here's a perfect example. It was us in this room and, you know, someone had done something fucked up like the lion killer guy. We could have like a detailed discussion on how we felt about it

and what are the actual facts about the case and did you know that 28 different lions wearing collars have been killed? Like it's very common that they kill ones with a collar because once they go outside of the protected area, you're allowed to kill them and lions cover a gigantic area where they hunt. So we would have these kind of nuanced discussions because you're in a room with four rational people. But think about all the fucking idiots that you've met in your life.

Think about the millions of people. If you have 350 million people in this country, at least one out of 100 is a fucking idiot. So that means you've got 3,500,000 fucking idiots who are just smashing their sloppy cheese doodleed fingers on keyboards and fucking spitting on their screen and taking time to jack off in between tweets. And they smell like shit. They're farting and wafting the fart up into their nose. They're horrible monsters.

And there's millions of them. There's millions of them. And they will spend their whole day tweeting, Facebooking. Anytime something horrible goes wrong, now they have a green light. I think, though, that it almost feels like even the intellectual web contributes by enabling those fuck-ups you're talking about. In a way, yeah. Yeah, by providing the steam necessary, by giving them that fragment to work with, to go with. Well, just giving them a pathway to communicate with everybody.

Exactly. So an example of this would be like a media headline, a juicy headline to get a person to click it, even though, as you mentioned before, it would completely lack the nuance of a proper discussion or debate. But you pander to the lowest common denominator you want as many clicks as possible and you're not necessarily concerned with the outcome of that you know so it's like it's like if we know that those big huge news sources that uh are supposed to or once upon a time were nuanced or meant to sort of break down the story for you, to help you understand the story. No, it's all bites now. It's all little fast-moving bites, hot takes, and so on that formulate your opinion.

So in some ways, yes, those people should be held responsible for the things they say online, but it's not like the intellectual web or the news producing web is doing the greatest job in advertising the proper content, the nuanced long form take. It's much easier to just slam out some knee jerk type of article and get it out faster, be first, as opposed to maybe you're a day later, but you've had time to gather more information. The other problem is a lot of those traditional media outlets have proven to be ineffective when it comes to controversial issues, like the Charlie Hebdo issue. Like when Charlie Hebdo happened and all those guys were killed, all those cartoonists were killed by those Muslim extremists that came in and were mad. They were making these cartoons of Muhammad.

Nobody printed those fucking cartoons. The LA Times didn't do it. The New York Times didn't do it. Time Magazine didn't do it. Everybody backed off on tweeting those or taking photos and putting them online or putting them in their articles. They didn't want to to do it so it was up to the internet and so then it becomes a matter of when something is real and something's out there like that guy who uploaded the video of him killing the reporters he killed the reporters when they were on tv and upload the

video of him doing it oh right yeah like there becomes it comes a real weird line like yeah and then you know part of that discussion too was like the way we were kind of forced to ingest it through autoplay a lot this was a big part of the story was how you know facebook has recently introduced autoplay so you're scrolling right it just plays immediately that that's another example of what i'm talking about about the the i don't know that you could call Facebook the intellectual web, but if you're a guy like Zuckerberg or someone in that office, at some point, you know that what you're doing is you're about to introduce millions and millions of people to something they'd probably rather not watch. Well, that was a big deal with

ISIS too, because ISIS has had some of the people in ISIS or ISIL, whatever you want to call it, they have had many, many, many accounts banned because they'll make these accounts, create these accounts and start uploading photos of people being beheaded, uploading videos of people being beheaded. And they put these on Instagram or Twitter or wherever the hell they are. And it's up to these outlets, these platforms, to find these things. Yeah, and take them down. And to take them down.

But I went to a fucking ISIS Twitter page that somebody had sent me to, and I was like, holy shit. Bad idea. People don't even know about this. They haven't even taken this down yet. It was just beheadings, and then there was YouTube videos that were linked to that they hadn't found those yet either. The YouTube videos were they were shooting people on the ground and cutting their heads off and holding their heads.

I mean, the full deal on YouTube. Yeah. Well, here's my thing is I think that battle is kind of impossible to completely control the speed at which people can put stuff up. Yeah. But the autoplay thing, like have the choice to click the button at least at a minimum. Yeah. I talked about that a couple weeks ago. Somebody posted, or I was just, like, looking at puppies and stuff,

and then out of nowhere was a woman in a car accident with her face missing, and she was picking at her face. And it was one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen, and I think about it all the time. You know, like, I should have never have seen that, and now I can't stop thinking about it. And you didn't have the option. And I didn't have the option.

I was just scrolling down. How many times have you clicked on a video and said, fuck, I wish I didn't click on that didn't have the option. I have the option I mean how many times have you clicked on a video and said fuck I wish I didn't click on that Yeah, and then you learn and you know like I've sent you stuff and you sent me stuff I'm like I don't even want to watch that right you just decide yeah, my life is more important now Imagine if every time those exchanges took place it auto played yeah came up on your phone immediately What they do that at face? Oh? Great is a great fucking reason is to Beef up their viewership figures. That's stupid. Yeah, because then they can go to advertisers and say look how many views it got

That's gross. It's the most gross thing ever and people the the reason youtubers a lot of youtubers are Especially upset with it is a lot of people are freebooting our content not mine mine specifically, but a lot of other ones, specifically in the comedy genre. Because you can take this clip off YouTube, upload it natively to Facebook, have it autoplay, build this huge profile for yourself based off someone else's content that they've made. And there's no way for you to go and track it down. And Facebook isn't being vigilant about going and finding that stuff. In some cases, YouTubers I know have missed out on millions, tens of millions of views that happen elsewhere and were associated with some other account on Facebook.

And there was another account they might not have even known about. No, they didn't. They wouldn't know about it until somebody saw it that was also a fan of theirs that would then tweet it to them or whatever and say, there's this completely fake profile of yours on Facebook uploading all your stuff and pretending to be you. And do they get advertising revenue from that? Well, usually the way it'll work is that they'll build up a large profile. So you take really funny 15-second videos.

That's you. There you go. So you take really funny 15 second videos. So you, so there you go. So you get a shit, you get a shit ton of followers. And then every so often after you've got this shit ton of followers, you insert some branded thing that you're attempting to do. And you're, so you're utilizing someone else's profile to build your very own. You're not necessarily making immediate money from it, but you're opening up the possibility to do so after the fact. Like he said with Fat Jew, if you've got five, six, 10 million followers on someone else's

back, at that point, it doesn't matter. You can shut off the old way of doing business, then start doing your original stuff at that point once you've already got an audience, right? Right. Well, what Fat Jew did is he took advantage of this new way of doing comedy. Yes. Where you could just take a photo and put some text to it. And it's one of my favorite ways of comedy.

That thing that I sent you the other day, the one of Caitlyn Jenner. Caitlyn, is that the right one? That's the name, yeah. Caitlyn Jenner in a Porsche. And it says, porsche with a rebuilt tranny cool and i fucking i laughed so hard when somebody sent that to me genius i sent it to everybody i know and i was just how you probably have no idea who created it exactly i felt bad in that way that i don't know and that's why i didn't post it on social media. But I did retweet it, I think. I think I retweeted it.

Yeah. See, I mean, it's super cloudy. It is cloudy. But what was not cloudy about the Fat Juice situation was that he was purposely not attributing it to the people that created it. And even sometimes, like there's some of the other ones, that girl that was changing words, changing like someone had originally tweeted something about a cat and she would change it to a dog But the exact same joke

Exact same joke, you know and change and that was the other thing fat Jew was doing is changing the text of the image but writing the same thing so was deliberate like there was he's still doing it Too is he really yeah, there was a nice article written the other day how he's still doing it and he's he also has like all these fake accounts that he's giving the credit to. But it's like a locked account with one post. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's some fuckery afoot. Honestly, and even though those things are so enjoyable, I intentionally avoid those pages on Instagram just because of that reason.

Really? Yeah, I mean, it's like I might get a laugh out of it, but it's not... Unenjoyable I intentionally avoid those pages on Instagram just because of that reason really yeah I mean, it's like I might get a laugh out of it, but it's not it's not Somebody's somebody create like I'm not buying anything from fat Jew right now The problem is yeah, I know but see the thing is that your behavior influences What gets rebroadcast especially on Instagram because if it's like previous photos you've liked, and then in other people's Discover page, I'm sure you have a lot of followers, now they're seeing that thing surface.

So it's hard to actually do shit on Instagram without helping the shit that you're looking at. And advertisers don't give a fuck. They'll give him a shitload of money just because of all the stolen work. Yeah, but hold on a second. So if you like something, but I don't like anything. Sometimes it's liked. If you go on the Discover page, and it'll be based on stuff you've liked, based on people you follow.

Put a picture of you up there right now. Based on people you follow, and I think there's one other one, based on other photos you've liked. Something like that. It's algorithmically trying to make suggestions for photos that you might actually like. That's why it's the Discover page. Oh, okay. So if you don't hit the heart, I don't know if there's a way. I don't hit that heart.

You never hit the heart? I don't fuck with the heart. Not even by mistake? Nope. You've never hit the heart on Instagram? If I hit it and I see it, I unhit it. Too late. Too late.

They got the data. I'll comment on friends' stuff, but I don't really like things. What's this about? Should I? Well, I just feel like you can reciprocate a little something every so often. If I saw Joe Rogan heart, I might get a smile for a minute. Oh, I didn't know.

Okay, I'll start hearting your stuff. Yeah. Thank you very much. Apparently you haven't been noticing my hearts. Well, that's the thing too, right? If you put something up and it gets hearted, you notice how many likes you have. But what you don't know is how many views something's gotten. On Instagram. Yeah.

Yeah. On Twitter, the analytics are pretty cool. Yeah. They're pretty interesting. You can see everything. Yeah. I just got one. Like the Nick Diaz one that I put, 407,942 views.

Look at you. That's awesome. Everybody's looking for you to say something about that. The Nick Diaz thing, yeah. You think that'd be disgusting? Well, here's the thing. Those people weren't even willing to take into consideration the fact that he passed two tests. He passed two tests, two WADA tests, World Anti-Doping Association tests, and failed one from some fucking local lab.

And the local lab's numbers were off the chart. So two out of three tests he passed. They weren't even willing to take into consideration those other tests because they didn't perform them. Not only that, they're performing urine tests, which are significantly less accurate than blood tests. So they fucked him. They fucked him raw, and they fucked him out of $165,000 in five years of his career.

Why five years, and then Jon Jones only got one year for cocaine? He didn't get one year for cocaine. Anderson Silva got one year for steroids. Jon Jones has not applied for a license to fight, and his court case has not been settled. He's not been found guilty. So they don't know. And his cocaine use was what's called out of competition cocaine use like when John Jones got caught for cocaine he got caught for cocaine when

he was not it wasn't going to be affecting him while he was fighting the idea with these tests with marijuana is that if you can catch someone who was taking marijuana while they were competing, then it could be a factor. Because it may affect their performance? Yes, it may affect their performance. But here's the deal. There's no scientific evidence whatsoever that marijuana is a significant effector of performance to the point where it should be banned. Like, caffeine significantly affects performance, and it's legal.

banned like caffeine significantly affects performance and it's legal i believe you can have up to 200 milligrams of caffeine and compete under olympic rules and chael sonnen actually told me that he takes it in pill form because he doesn't want to fuck up and get an extra strong cup of coffee and break the grid you know or a pass break the test but if you like go to starbucks like you know we've we've tried to figure it out before like how much caffeine is in one of those things that brian drinks because he drinks those 30 ounce fucking the jug star of death you know but you don't really know exactly so you have to take like a pill in order to really modulate it perfectly if you're an athlete because there's a significant effect caffeine can give you more

endurance oh it can help you 100 i'll take caffeine before i play hockey every time yeah and it's legal it's totally legal so i mean the arguable effect that marijuana does give you it might give you some dilation of your lungs it might give you a slight advantage in your cardio because of that or a focus advantage which is like for some people could help like a guy like nick diaz it might help him be more comfortable because he likes being high all the time anyway right so if you let him fight high yeah but it's not enough where it's gonna allow them to hurt somebody more see the idea of a performance enhancing drug is steroids, EPO, all the stuff that those cyclists get banned for. Those things make you stronger, faster, and in the case of mixed martial arts, it will allow you to hurt your opponent.

It's arguable that marijuana does have some performance enhancing effect, like with jujitsu. A lot of jujitsu guys, me included, like to get high before they train. But man, I'm not much better I mean, I think it's a slight thing where you're like a little better But it's not like with pool same thing you like feel a little more in tune with it But it's not Significant enough where you wouldn't be able to perform at that level without it like when we see athletes that get off steroids Man, the fucking drop-off is goddamn dramatic.

The difference between a steroid-using athlete and an athlete that's forced to go off steroids, you see it in their body. They get soft. They have loose skin. You see it in their physical performance. They get tired quicker. They're not as aggressive. They're not as confident.

They start posting shit on their Instagram page, all this motivational shit like a suicidal stripper That's what happens man It starts to fuck with your head because you realize like you you got to pump yourself up right because you're not jacked to the tits on some artificial testosterone, right so that in comparison to pot there's no fucking comparison right and Testosterone was legal until like a year ago. They were allowing these guys to get on testosterone replacement therapy. Is pot legal in other sports? Well, the NBA is apparently the one sport where so many guys are smoking pot and playing.

That's what I've heard. That's what I've heard. That they don't have it in their contract where they test them. They don't allow themselves to be tested. So how is it that this is even on the table to begin with? First of all, because there's no union. If there was a fighter's union, and the fighter's union could go to the athletic commission and say, Fuck you, we're not coming to Vegas, you dummies.

And then the other problem is, if someone's banned in Vegas, they're banned in the world. Because if you violate it, then there's all sorts of fucking lawsuits and bullshit. That is the part that I can't wrap my head around. Well, not only that, but you're being banned by idiots. Okay? You're being banned by people who don't understand the sport. If they did understand the sport, first of all, they would have fired

60% of their judges. 60% of their judges. Any judge that doesn't have any martial arts experience, any judge, you should run them through a course. Is this guy in danger? Is he in danger now? Is this dangerous? Is this submission close?

Is this one close? How effective is that? If you don't know that, you can't judge a martial arts fight on a professional level. But yet they do. So these are ineffective commissions in the first place. On top of that, they're bureaucrats. These are government people. And firing these people is just like firing someone from the DMV or firing someone from the post office. It's fucking difficult. And there's all sorts of hoops and there's protections that those people have in place that the fighters do not have. So you have an unfair playing field and these people have this ultimate tyranny over fighters. So it seems pretty obvious that Nevada is fucked.

Fucked. Is there any chance that the UFC affiliation with Nevada ever changes? Well they can't. Why? They're gonna have fights in Nevada. Nevada's the spot, man. If you wanna have fights you go to Vegas. I know. Why does it have- why- Cause it's the shit. It's the best place for fights.

But how much could they continue to fuck up and you still continue to do it? They need to be overhauled, not Vegas. Vegas is fucking awesome. Look, if you're going to have fights, you want to have them in Vegas. You go to the MGM, the place is packed. The fucking casino's there. You're drinking until 6 o'clock in the morning if you want.

I completely agree, but anytime you're in any kind of negotiation, you have to be willing to walk away. And if they continue to fuck up, what's the risk to them? I think the public reaction to this Nick Diaz thing is unprecedented. I tweeted the phone number for the Nevada State Athletic Commission today. I saw that. And said, please call them up and let them know how you feel about them fucking over Nick Diaz. All right, I'm retweeting.

They can't even fucking take calls now. They're swamped. And I'll do it tomorrow, too. Alright, I'm retweeting. They can't even fucking take calls now. They're swamped. And I'll do it tomorrow, too. I'll do it until they stop. I'll do it for the rest of my life. I'll fucking wake up every morning and I'll have an alarm clock. Here's the new number for the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Scheduled tweets. Look, they stole five years from this guy's

career and they stole $165,000 from his purse and they weren't even willing to take into consideration the other two tests that he failed it is a goddamn dog and pony show it's a tyranny and what these people are doing is wrong it's just wrong this is not a person who set out to cheat this is a guy who doesn't use steroids Nick Diaz is notoriously anti-steroid this is a guy who's one of the toughest, most exciting guys in the sport. He's fun to watch and also probably has social anxiety issues

that marijuana helps alleviate. Yeah, I read that interview with him about what he said shortly after. Yeah, it's awful, man. What they did is wrong it's wrong look it's not you shouldn't fight high okay if you fight high there should be a penalty like 50 bucks but like listen man if a guy kicks your ass high you probably kick your ass sober you know I just don't I don't it's not like taking beta blockers or something to completely eliminate your nervousness yeah that's the thing that's the one thing I heard though is that maybe your pain threshold is elevated. You know what, man?

I don't buy that. Here's why I don't buy that. You don't feel pain when you're fighting anyway. You're so jacked up with adrenaline. There's so many times when you fight and after it's over, you realize your hand is broken or there's something wrong with you. Like Jon Jones, perfect example. I'm interviewing him.

While I'm interviewing him, after we beat the shit out of Chael Sonnen, he looks down and sees his toe upside down. I remember that toe. He had no idea. He had no idea until he looked down and he saw that his toe was flipped over and the bottom of his toe was facing up. I was there. I saw it happen. And he immediately goes, oh, my toe.

Oh, man. Oh, man. And we got him a chair and he sat down. I continued the interview with him literally going into shock over his toe. Why was that? It wasn't because he was on a drug. He wasn't high. It was because of his adrenaline.

Would that injury have had to have the fight stopped if they— Most likely. If it went to the end of the round or whatever? Well, Uriah Hall had a similar injury. It wasn't to his big toe, but it was one of his other toes. It was a compound fracture. It was broken, and the bone was poking out of his toe. And he still fought two more rounds with it.

And he still threw kicks with that fucking leg and won the fight. That's how tough Uriah Hall is. But I mean, he had to, you know, he had to be mentally tough. I mean, he had to go back to his corner. He realized his toe was completely fucked. And he just said, OK, whatever. And I mean, limped back to his corner he realized his toe was completely fucked and he just said okay whatever and i mean limped back to his corner but once the round started dude was on his feet and moving around

like nothing was wrong he just dealt with the pain and said i'm gonna win this fucking fight anyway you know and credible a lot of that is also because of adrenaline your adrenaline shields you from you know your adrenaline realizes you're in a battle for your life. You don't need to worry about bruises. You don't need to worry about pain. It's not pain necessarily that stops fighters. It's debilitating techniques like a liver shot. When you get hit with a liver shot, it's not like, oh my God, it was so painful. It fucking definitely hurts. But the real problem with a liver shot is it shuts your system down. Your system doesn't work anymore. You get nailed with like a left hook to the liver. Boom, it hits you, and it's this crazy feeling.

Like your breath doesn't work anymore. Your legs lock up. You're like, ah! It's not a pain thing. It's a system shutdown. When you get knocked out, you get kicked in the head. It's not that your head hurts. Of course it hurts.

But the real problem is not pain. The real problem is your brain shuts off. You get neck kicked. It cuts off the circulation to your brain. There's spark. All the fucking nerves get shattered. Everything gets wonked out, and your brain goes, okay, night, night, and you shut off. It's a full system shutdown.

It wasn't a choice at all, obviously. There's pain that these guys experience, but that's not necessarily what stops fights. So the pain threshold thing, I don't buy it. I think the real pain threshold is adrenaline. That's what really keeps you from feeling pain. And we're going to have that naturally. That's the most effective thing. Marijuana is an effective pain reducer after competition or after training.

It's one of the things that people really like to do. They have a hard day of training. They like to sit back things that people really like to do. They have a hard day of training. They like to sit back, smoke a joint and watch a little TV. Well, they can't do that if they're being tested in this really restrictive way. Sporadically and so on. Yeah. Well, again, the marijuana thing, they've changed the threshold considerably. And I had Jeff Nowitzki on the podcast. I listened to that episode. Yeah. It's amazing. Really interesting guy and very smart and very, you know, on top of the testing thing. And he's like, it's out of

competition if you're not, if you're, you would literally have to get high the day of the fight to test positive now. That's the way they're doing it. So the test that Diaz got popped for was before this alteration was made? Nope. It's by the current standards. So the problem is he tested twice under the threshold of the current standards. The WADA tests had him under the threshold, which says he was not high when he competed. But the test that they used from, I believe it was Quest Labs, sorry if I'm wrong, but I believe, which is a very good lab, but it showed a completely different test than the test that WADA instituted. On top of that, again, we're talking about urine.

We're talking about urine versus blood. And when you're testing metabolites. And so why in that particular, in this particular case, did that test take precedent over the WADA test? Because it's their test. Who's they? Nevada State Athletic Commission. That's where it's fucked. It's not the UFC's test. The UFC has no fucking place in this.

They brought in the USADA, US Anti-Doping Association, which is where Nowitzki comes in. They brought those guys in. I guess I'm referring to them as the UFC because they're hired by them. They're hired by the UFC to clean up the sport, but they have no say on how the tests are implemented,

how the results are dispersed. The idea of bringing in the government and bringing in a guy like Nowitzki is, look, if you really want to clean up the sport, you hire a fucking bulldog who's just going to go after it. You don't do it yourself because if you do it yourself, there's always the possibility that someone could hide the results because there's a financial interest. Like you would test Conor McGregor.

You find out he's fighting high. You're like, look, Conor. Listen, you're saying some great shit, but you can't fight high, dude. But with the USADA, you don't have a say in how the stuff is. That's perfect. That sounds perfect. Exactly. And that's how they want to do it.

But what that shows is a real commitment to clean up the sport. But I don't understand what good it is if it doesn't take precedence. Exactly. And what are you wasting all this money for? It's because the Nevada State Athletic Commission is incompetent. And they are a tyranny. And they are a bunch of people that have... If you watch the fucking commission, those people are drunk with power.

They're drunk with power, and they felt like they were made fools of because he's tested positive before. But he tested positive before under their different thresholds, the thresholds that existed before the current established standard. It's all fucked. Who hires these people? It's a good question. Like where – who do you go after? Is there some kind, is it the governor? At the highest level.

It should be the governor. I think the governor did step in once, and there was an investigation when there was a woman who was tested. She judged the Tim Bradley-Manny Pacquiao fight really poorly, and she was one of the reasons why Pacquiao didn't win that fight. And then they went over her, her history of judging fights. And they're like, what the fuck?

Like she gets a lot of fights wrong and she would get fights wrong that like were like really bad decisions. And so they were trying to figure out like, what does she know about fight? Does she know any, how does she get this job? Who hired her? How does this work?

And so the, the governor stepped in because there was a national outcry over a couple of boxing decisions. So that's it. His office needs to be bombarded right now. I hope they are. Well, there's a government petition. Somebody put out a White House petition to reinstate Nick Diaz.

But what's shown up, this is what needed to be done. And this is the good thing about this. We needed to see how dumb these fucking people are. We need to see how bad they are at their jobs, how cruel they are, how callous they are. The fact that they don't, they could just think it's okay to take away $165,000 from the guy's purse and take away his ability to compete and make a living for five years in his prime.

Yeah. It's his career. It's his career. It's over. Yeah. Five years is a career killer. I mean, Nick takes care of his- How did they come up with that number? Because they're assholes.

Did that number just come out of- Sure. Because I've never heard, maybe with the exception of what's his name, the guy who- Shlomenko. Alexander Shlomenko got tested positive in California, and Andy Foster, who's the chairman in California, he's very hell-bent on taking out cheaters he doesn't want any of that shit and Shlomenko's tests were through the roof his testosterone was way out of whack yeah and uh they they you know and he's got a court case and

I don't know how that's gonna go I don't know what really we don't know you know you never know how do you feel about okay even in the case of steroids where it's an obvious performance enhancer how do you feel about a five-year suspension for that like a five-year suspension is that is there ever a place for five years well here's the thing devon had tried to ban vanderley silva for a lifetime that was who i was thinking of yeah that's who i was they lost that they lost that in court they could so they couldn't they went to court vanderley's lawyers went to court and they beat that of course They beat it because he didn't even test positive for anything ran away from the test he ran away from the test I know they want you run away from the test in their eyes

You're guilty, and they wanted to send a message. They're not to be trifled with Says D is gonna take this to court you think fuck yeah, and he's gonna win too, and I hope he's going to win too, and I hope he sues the shit out of them. I hope he sues the shit out of them. I really do. And I hope he wins, and I hope that the governor steps in or someone steps in that can say, there are people that you can hire that will understand what the fuck is going on. You need former athletes. You need people who are experts in science and medicine that understand what the thresholds are,

understand the difference between urine tests and blood tests. And also, you need commissioners that... You're going to need people that have the educated ability to make these judgments based on whatever discipline that they would need to be a master of to understand this. If you're talking about steroids, you would need someone who's a steroid expert. If you're talking about performance enhancing drugs like meth, you would need someone. You should have to establish the fact that you understand what the effects of all these things are. You should have to have some education in the effects of all these things.

Now, with marijuana, there's no data. You've got no data that shows that if a person takes marijuana, they can hurt someone more easily than if they don't take marijuana. So as soon as you have that, you don't have any data. So if you don't have any data, then you've got to go, how are you banning people for this? Like, Ronda Rousey fucking went off today. It was beautiful. I watched that clip. She went off and dropped the mic after it was over. Yeah.

And one of the things that she said that I totally agree with about marijuana, she said this in the past too, it's an invasion of privacy is what it is. You're invading someone's privacy. Just like the fact that if you work for a company, and the company decides to test you, and you work all week, you do a great job, you work hard, and then Friday's 5 o'clock'clock baby it's over you want to smoke a joint you're home you worked all day you want to watch The Walking Dead

you want to put your feet up and you want to get high you can't you fucking can't cuz they own you they own you they own your flesh they literally own your mind when you're not there because everyone knows that marijuana is not psychoactive permanently it's not like you smoke a joint on Friday and then you show up on Monday morning and you're still high as fuck and you're high for the rest of your life. That's not the case. So if you smoke pot, you will be tested four or five weeks from now. You will still test positive. If you don't smoke any pot, if you get high right now and and then four weeks from now, they give you a urinalysis test.

Depending on what they're looking for, if they're just trying to trace metabolites, you can still test positive in four weeks. That's fucking insane. So it's simply a control thing. It's a power thing. It's a power thing. These people are government people. They're government people that like to be able to tell people what to do.

That's my concern, though, is if it's a power thing, how deep is it? How many levels does it go to? How many judges? Our friends would- Anonymous should find out. Yeah, well, they probably are already on the case, but ultimately, I hope they're on the case. Yeah. Anonymous can find out.

Ultimately, public outcry. Look, this is a tyranny. These are a few people that are deciding, which is, again, we're not talking about steroids here we're just talking about pot yeah it just doesn't make sense and we're also talking about a guy who passed two world anti-doping agency tests those are the most trick fucking tests in the world of sports he passed two of those and failed a quest I I think it's quest. Again, I apologize if I'm wrong. But the bottom line is the tests were not the tests that you need when you're taking away a guy's fucking livelihood and you're fining him for $165,000 out of a $500,000 purse. Which, by the way, he has to pay his managers.

He has to pay taxes. He has to pay all these different things. When you make $500,000, you don't make 500 grand. Of course. Because you have a manager. The manager has 10%. You might have an agent. The agent gets a piece.

You might have a lawyer. You might have a business manager. You have to pay taxes. You have training expenses. Yeah, training partners. You have to be very strict. And Nick is notoriously disciplined with his diet. I mean, he eats all organic food.

He's mostly vegan, except I think he eats some fish. He doesn't eat any land animals. And he does this based on the effect on his body because he's an extreme endurance athlete. He does a lot of triathlons, and he does a lot of running. He swam back and forth from Alcatraz twice. I mean, he's a motherfucker, dude. He takes care of his body. And if he's smoking pot,

that should tell you the pot's not bad for your body. It's real simple. But he's not cheating. He's not doing steroids. He's not doing anything that gives him an unfair advantage. He's working hard. He's tough as shit. And he fucking fights smart. And these assholes, they stole his ability to entertain people. And he's one of the most popular guys in the fucking sport. When he came back and fought Anderson Silva, the pay-per-view was through the roof. And why was that? Well, partly because people wanted to see what Anderson Silva would look like after he came back from a leg injury, this horrific leg break. But also it's because he's fighting Nick Diaz.

You know, Nick Diaz is going to talk shit to him like he did, like he got in his face. He's like, what, bitch? What, bitch? what bitch like nobody ever done that to Anderson so before he laid down on the ground like he was making A sleepy face like look I'm sleeping you're boring the fuck out of me and jump back up to his feet he humiliated Anderson completely fucked with his head inside that cage. That's what people paid for and what he Is experiencing right now is a bunch of assholes taking away his ability to compete, taking away his ability to thrill people at what he does best. This guy has worked for more than a fucking decade as a professional mixed martial arts fighter. More than, who knows how many years before that training and learning how to fight.

All that's taken away by some assholes. I don't think it's going to stick at all. It's not going to stick. taken away by some assholes. I don't think it's going to stick at all. It's not going to stick. Yeah, I was going to... I hope what the outcome is, is that we realize that these people are just bad at what they do, and they get removed.

Kevin Aioli wrote a fantastic piece about it. Kevin Aioli, who's a very respected sports reporter, I forget what publication he writes for, but he's very respected in the world of combat sports, especially. He said they expose themselves as being ridiculous. They expose themselves as being incompetent. Yeah, it's like it takes a critical moment like this to get everybody motivated enough to actually incite some change. It made me so angry, dude.

Yeah. I haven't seen this kind of reaction. Not that I can remember. This is the lion killer. Yeah, this is like the opposite. This is like the positive of the other side of the thing. Because this is people taking social media in a positive. Yeah, but you see, but the way that Joe's talking about it here is measured, right?

He's not saying go to these people's homes and torture their children. Right. That's the problem is that like this stuff gets misconstrued. Getting back to the lion killer thing is like, yes, be motivated, but be smart about it. Yes. Well, it's also the thing that we were talking about

before. I think you're right, though. It does bring it full circle. It's like this highlights what's good about people being able to express themselves. And it also highlights how these established sort of structures, they operate on this old paradigm. And they haven't caught up to the new paradigm yet. They don't understand that this is not going to end.

Like this whole Nick Diaz thing and the Vanderlei silver thing, you've got two legends of the sport that you've fucked. You've fucked over. And there's one thing also when people are injured and they're taking things to help them recover Man, I'm not against that. I'm just not oh really yeah if a guy like there's certain things There's certain things you can take that will help you Recover from injury that are absolutely legal like here's one stem cells, okay?

Here's one that I have personal experience are those out those outlawed? No, they're not. But, dude, they fucking work. They work to repair injuries. They're incredible. I mean, it's incredible. They can regenerate cartilage now. So if you don't have access to stem cells, and you're competing with someone who does,

and this guy gets a stem cell injection on his knees, and his knees are fixed up, so he's going to be able to train harder, and you have to tough through it. Well, should that be legal? Well, there's a similarity to that to people who get knee injuries or knee surgeries and then take a steroid to help themselves repair quicker so they can get back to competing quicker. You know, one of the fucked up things about this, too, is just looking at it surface level. These dudes go out there and

beat each other up for other people's entertainment mm-hmm and you know in that interview with Diaz after the fact he was talking about how the people making decisions about what he can and can't do those people sitting on the board or whatever the hell it is they don't have to experience that you know I mean like they're not in what you're saying as far as like recovery is concerned, it's like how can a regular person make a judgment on that? And coming back to the thing about having a union, fighters are the only people who should be making decisions about fighters.

Right. And most fighters feel very strongly that you shouldn't be able to use performance enhancing drugs and compete. And Rhonda has said this very clearly. And she says something I totally agree with. The difference between this and any other sport is if you give a guy steroids and he plays baseball, what's the big deal? He's just going to hit a ball better. But if you give a guy steroids and you let him fight, he could administer damage that maybe he would not have been able to administer.

He could hurt someone that maybe he wouldn't have had the endurance to hurt. He wouldn't have been able to deliver the combination that wound up hurting this person very badly or possibly even killing someone. And she said that if someone ever does die and the other person tests positive for steroids, they should really get charged with murder. Whoa. Yeah, but I mean, it kind of does, right? I don't know about that.

I don't know about that either, but there's a fine line. I just think it's so hard to put yourself in a person's shoes that's competing. Like for me, for me. I don't have somebody trying to knock my fucking head off. And if that was going to work for me, I just feel like that you need a different kind of set of rules agreed upon by the person you're about to step in there with that's an interesting way of looking at it and i agree with that as well like say if you you two guys were

going to fight and you made an agreement that we're both going to be juiced yes yeah you should be able to do that yeah i think i agree with that. And we could, right? No, it's not legal. Well, not professionally. Not on a paper. Not on a paper. Not on a paper. Not on a paper. On UFC Island, though.

UFC Island. They can split it with the next thing. The Fertittas need to do it. They need to fucking buy an island in the South Pacific. Put some casinos in there. That's perfect. It is a fucking great idea. No, no, no.

What was that podcast you did with the floating countries? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. These guys that want to develop. That's all you need, a barge off the coast. What do they call that shit again? Seasteading. Seasteading.

Thank you. That's what it was. Yeah, that's totally true. That's totally true. They need to have seasteading fights just off the coast. Like you go to Catalina. Yeah. And they fucking duke it out.

All juiced up Everybody's a hundred and ninety fucking percent testosterone free hookers in the audience sounds exciting Yeah, how much you paying to get in there that one ours a ticket? That's a lot of that's not enough These hookers are good. That's not enough money to pay for the ticket if they're all free How much these girls gonna get paid? They just want to be on the island This is I think what but I think in bringing a full circle what we're exposing here How much are these girls going to get paid? They just want to be on the island. Tax free. But I think in bringing it full circle, what we're exposing here is that this ability to communicate about things is changing. It's changing radically. And anybody has a say now.

Like literally anybody, you're not vetted out based on your intelligence. You're not judged beforehand. You're not screened. based on your intelligence. You're not judged Beforehand you're not you know screened. Yes, anybody can just scream out like I have a friend who Goes and reads comments on his stuff, and he gets all upset. I go you're getting upset at people You don't even know yeah You're allowing these people in your head and like they're saying these people say idiotic things and he gets upset like of course They're gonna say idiotic things. They're idiots. Do you hang out with idiots? Well listen man if you go to idiots' houses and start asking them questions, they're going to say some shit you disagree with.

You're going to argue with them all day? You won't have a life. You don't have enough time in the day to pay attention. Look at yourself. Make your own job. Be honest and be self-objective. Make your own sort of analysis of the pros and cons of your behavior and your thinking. And then if they disagree with that,

you kind of have at least some sort of an idea. But you don't have that idea on the internet. See, because all you see is text. You don't see the person's life behind that text. You don't see what a fuck-up they've been their whole life that's allowed them to be. It's lacking context. You don't see that they're 12.

Yeah. And fucking mean too, you know? That's another thing to take into consideration. I have to wonder, like, what the effect of it, if, like, let's say for example, I had access to the same stuff when I was 12. Would I have been the same asshole? Probably.

I think I would have. If I was an angry kid, if I was able to, for whatever reason, get upset about something that I felt like in some way that I would be justified. But again, my anger wouldn't have really been directed towards what I was getting upset about. They would have just given me the green light to express some of the anger that I had about my own life. You know, I think that's a lot of what we're dealing with here. I think it just manifests itself in these various causes. You know, like it is that like you said before, it is that people are not all that happy about their own personal situation.

Yes. But it's a lot easier to latch on to conflict that someone else has sort of shaped for you than it is to necessarily tackle the super personal thing that you're upset with. necessarily tackle the super personal thing that you're upset with. Yeah. Or get your life to a point of balance where you can actually look at anything that's going on in the world and have just a sort of an intelligent. Well, and that's where I think that even though this is the Wild West and everyone has a voice, there are obviously voices that have emerged as more prominent. Well, and communities too.

And communities too. And communities, too. And I think that that's where I still see a sense of responsibility that, okay, fine, all you need is a smartphone and Twitter to say what you want, but influence still exists. Yes. And I feel like sometimes you'll witness influence being irresponsible. Case in point, and I mean, I don't know how people feel about this, but like when Jimmy Kimmel was crying on the air, like for me, that's an abusive influence because he wasn't painting the entire picture there.

He was picking his side in a very short form, little, what was it, two sentences? And then showing that kind of physical emotion associated with it. That was fuel, man. Yeah. Well, that was his perspective, though. His perspective. He's got a limited perspective. First of all, you saw his perspective about video games

and how offended people got about that. They were calling in death threats against him, which I found incredibly ironic. After he defends the lion hunter, then he goes off about video games being a sport, and people are like, fuck you, you should die, you can't. I'm just saying. I agree with the video game guys. It's a sport. It's a fucking sport. I'm with that. So what he was doing by mocking it, I guess he's trying to do comedy, but he's being disrespectful to an emerging sport, which is unquestionably involves skill and intelligence and planning and strategy.

He just didn't know. He was uninformed at all. Exactly. But he was also not informed about the line guy. He was wrong. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like I think we all need to get smarter if we have established a voice on the web.

Like take an extra second before you hit that send button. I know I've, I've had this experience myself in, in, in, in the various communications I've had about products, let's say, or videos I want to make or tweets I want to send of like, what is the effect of this thing going to be? It might even be the way that I feel. And I still don't want to do it because I don't, I'm thinking about the reaction. I'm thinking about the trickle effect of this particular sentiment. And I don't think we're there yet.

I think a lot of the influencers, if you want to call them that, are behaving irresponsibly in wanting to put out a hot take, wanting to have something to say about this topic that has overwhelmed the web, that we are susceptible to the same thing that the lower level jerk in his room or that other guy that you were speaking about, because it's attractive. It's attractive to get involved in the conversation, even with limited information. That's a real, you're right. You're dead right. And I think we've all been guilty of that. And I think that's a really good point and a really important point, because I think that whenever a subject comes up people do

If say there's no podcast no podcast at all and someone brought up some point like that lady Who's denying people gay marriage that lady in Kentucky? Right and we would be like this fucking dumb cunt like we would all start talking shit like I someone someone should go over house To hold her down and make make guys fuck right in front of her face go over her house to hold her down and make guys fuck right in front of her face. You know, say a bunch of crazy shit that's not really a responsible thing to say, but then you do it in a podcast like in this one. One of the things that I like about people wearing headsets is that at least it makes you think that you do something professionally.

There's been a few times where I was like, man, maybe wearing headsets. Because you forget that this podcast... That is fucking really cool what you're saying. I never thought of that. That's how I think about it. Because I think there's something about it being in your ear. Like I hear you in my ear just as clearly as I hear him, even though he's a few extra feet away. We're all in the same sound wave.

And this makes me feel professional It extracts you just enough from the sort of regular hangout zone that you're like, okay people are listening Yeah, people you measure it just this maybe a second a second longer It's a real point that I think a lot of people especially comedians when I have comedians on the podcast Sometimes they just forget that or they're not aware of that or they're not aware of it to the extent that i am because i know the numbers like you're you're doing a show and there's a lot of people listening and you have a responsibility to be entertaining but you also have a responsibility to be accurate you can't really say things that people might just take as fact when you haven't researched them because you you

you're reaching millions and millions of people now and you can change the way they look at things Yeah, so like when this Mike Huckabee guy Latches on you know that fucking guy who latched on to that Kim lady one of the fucker name is the Kentucky Clerk it would allow okay came in he fucking immediately like this is a great thing We starts tweeting about it. There's a war on religious freedom, religious liberty. And it's hilarious. Like hashtag religious liberty. And all these other apes got involved and they're all fucking screaming and yelling.

And it's cool. It's cool to watch because you're watching like the last few generations of monkeys that believe some dumb shit that was written on animal skins thousands of years ago you're seeing the last echoes of the game of telephone where you tell someone and I tell someone and it gets translated from generation to generation for over a thousand years before anybody bothers writing it down then once they write it down they write it down in a fucking dead language and has to be translated to all these other languages.

I mean, that is what we're seeing when we see that lady screaming with her glasses on at the Mike Huckabee fucking convention. We've got to stop all that butt fucking. She's yelling it out. We're seeing a woman who contradicts the very message of the Bible itself because she's been married four fucking times. You're not supposed to get divorced. How many religious people do you know that have tattoos?

You're not supposed to get tattoos. You can't fucking pick and choose. You can't pick and choose your shit. Cherry pick your religion. They cherry pick what they like and what they don't like about their religion. What she has done is just as bad as mouth fucking. I think what you're saying is completely true here in North America, but globally, religion? Oh, yeah.

It ain't slowing down. Well, it's hard to get the internet to places in the middle of nowhere, and it's hard to get the influence of those communities, but it will happen eventually. Yeah, I agree. And when it does happen, you realize that your perspective is simply the perspective of the people around you that you have sort of adopted. And your view of life, your view of religion, your view of all. I mean, I've had people on my podcast that used to be Muslim, and they've become atheists. And they lived there in the Middle East, and they were a part of that culture, and they thought like atheists. They lived there in the Middle East, and they were a part of that culture, and they thought like those people did.

And then they came over here, and they started reading, and they started getting into it, and they started really, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck is this ideology that I've subscribed to? This isn't the only way to think. And not only that, it's not, if you take enough time and look at it objectively, it's not even rational.

It's not like this is a bulletproof ideology. But that's how it's tried. Most religions try to pass their stuff off. Scientology tries to pass their stuff off like that. They try to pass their stuff off as bulletproof. Like, this is the way. That's the sale. That's the sales pitch, right?

This is the way to become happy. Yeah. But again, I think the internet is the cure to that shit. Yeah, but again, I think the Internet is the cure to that. Yeah, information. Information, for sure, is the number one sort of ulterior fighting force against this type of stuff that you're talking about. Access to it in the same way. We were talking about getting Internet into hard-to-reach places. That's actually a Google X project that they're working on with these air

balloons i don't know if you've heard about this yeah they're wi-fi balloons yeah so it's like weather balloons that hover above areas that have no service um hard to reach places and they're on a cycle so like your phone is rapidly switching between the one that's actually overhead at that point and as that one slowly drifts out of range on the jet stream, the next one flows in, and then you hand off to that one. So you don't notice an interruption in connection, but since a weather balloon can't sit there forever, it's floating along with the weather system.

But some really cool technology, there's some videos online that show how they've made it. So the idea being is like places like North Korea, for example, float your fucking balloons. Just shoot them out of the sky. Well, it's actually kind of, they're pretty high up. You sound like you're selling them. And I am, I am, because fuck this North Korea shit, for real. For real.

For real. That's bonkers that shit, for real. For real. For real. That's bonkers that we're allowing that to still exist. And the beauty of it is like going in there without weapons, going in there with information. Don't you love that storyline? We're going in there with connectivity, bitch. We're going to bring it up from the grassroots, the rise of a nation. Let the people make the decision for themselves. And you've got South Korea right there.

I mean, it would be so easy. So you've got this beautiful little base to let these things go over. I love the idea of informational warfare, you know, that it doesn't have to be about bullets and bombs, that if you can reach enough people with a particular message, you know, they can figure it out. It'll take time take time right for them. It'll take a lot of time They're so deep in the web I don't know man because anywhere like you just spoke about a person completely changing their religious outlook just upon arriving somewhere else You think about it? What is the difference?

It's the information available to them right even though it might not be on a phone or a laptop It's the information. They're supposed to by the culture it might not be on a phone or a laptop, it's the information they're exposed to by the culture they're surrounded with. It's not the geographic location. Exactly. Yeah, you're right. You're right. And if you look at how quickly uprisings took place in places like Egypt and so on. Air Springs.

It was just like, give them Twitter. Holy shit. An immediate overhaul in the behavior because all of a sudden now you've got this massive cultural shift of communication and so on and people with access to google i mean why do you think china has been blocking youtube and google since day one day one because the warfare is has always been about information world war ii doesn't happen without propaganda well i have a friend who works it worked doesn't work anymore at google but she would go over to China and have meetings with these people, and they were like, well, we want access

to these people's emails. We want to be able to block these things. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not what we're doing. That's not Google. That's an important distinction to make, because it's not that they're just blocked. It's also that Google doesn't want to be there either, for those exact reasons.

It's a two-way thing but I think I think that the control control structures that exist in our Global perspective they exist for because of an agenda a particular agenda Whatever that might be and you can't control people if you if you can if you don't control information flow and also I think that people almost If you don't control information flow. And also I think that people almost automatically or naturally gravitate towards controlling others if they have power. Nevada State. Nevada State Athletic Commission or any king or dictatorship or what people felt about the NSA. That's why people are so outraged with this Edward Stoughton thing.

That these people who are no different than you, no different than I, just got jobs and could research ex-girlfriends' emails. I mean, they could do all kinds of creepy shit that you shouldn't really be able to do and the public didn't know about. Power corrupts. Power corrupts, absolutely, and absolutely power, absolute, whatever the hell that works. How's it going? Absolute power corrupts. And power corrupts, absolutely. And absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

That's what it is. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely. corrupts absolutely. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's what it is. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yeah, and governments have absolute power. Yeah. Government of North Korea absolutely has absolute power. And that's the scariest version that we have. And it also throws in the face whenever the U.S. talks about invading Syria or any of these other places. Like, what about the worst spot?

Yeah. What about the spot with nuclear bombs that's run by a fucking nut? Completely true. And when you have allies like South Korea, Japan, that are right in the zone there, right in bomb zone. And like what, I just imagine that there was a border here with that kind of shit on the other side. Like that's a daily life type situation for people in south korea it's a completely developed place much like here culturally complete free and open marketplace and their neighbor their neighbor are these psychos like it's one thing for us to

think about it at this distance but those people daily life is wondering what the fuck is going to happen and the whole country north and South Korea is like the size Of Texas that too. Yeah, how big is North Korea in South Korea find that out? I would say that combined No I would say you're about right and if their grocery stores are fake, you know And if they're like putting this whole fake thing on their nuclear stores are fake, you know, like how they have yeah the vice documentary Yeah, the restaurants.

Yeah. Vice did- They set up fake restaurants for PR purposes to make it look like they're normal. Yeah. But you got to know, the nuclear plan's probably fake. They can't do anything. They're just- They've actually proven that, that they're nuclear missiles and they're all wonky. They've done some tests.

Old and shitty. They suck. They're probably like Canadians or something. How dare you? He looked right at you sideways. How the fuck- And now I'm not going to look at him now. And they're all wonky they've done so they suck They don't have we keep you guys honest all right. That's our job. Well. You're nicer than us We always go over there and go God. Why can't be like Canadian? There's so much cello liquor I Heard I've actually been getting... Oh, yeah, that's fucked up.

Don't get me started on that. What's going on? The government what? The government owns all the liquor in Canada. The LCBO. No, it's provincial. The LCBO. Fuck you all right now.

You guys don't have legal weed anywhere, do you? Legal weed? Yeah, well, medical. Yeah, but not like Colorado. Nobody has given a fuck about weed in Canada for as long as I've been alive. So maybe it's not on paper legal. Why not just make it on paper? You know, Colorado has made more money in taxes this year for the first time ever than alcohol with weed.

More money from weed than alcohol. Well, actually, and that's perfect for what he's talking about. The LCBO is the Ontario Liquor Board, who is the single biggest retailer of alcohol in the world. That's hilarious. Because it's a huge marketplace. Well, a big marketplace. And they're the only sellers. So they get to set the price.

So alcohol is expensive. The stores are fucking magnificent. Samples and fancy. When they're open, don't they close at 8 p.m.? So if you want to get some Jack Daniels at 810 you see right no most of them are 10 And listen and listen there's an argument to be made I You know I see that side of it

But there's some shady ass liquor stores too that you don't have to deal with Because it's it's treated the way that it is but, that's part of the fun of an open market, those shady-ass liquor stores. That's true. Like, we're in Phoenix. We went to a drive-thru store. We're in Phoenix. There was a guy who, he's dead now, so we could talk shit about him.

He used to run this comedy club, and he was out of his fucking mind. He wouldn't let us drink on stage. He said it was a law, and we found out that there wasn't a law. Right. So what we decided to do was drive to this drive-through fucking liquor store. Unbelievable. Buy a bottle of Jack Daniels in a flask. And then while I was on stage, I explained that I was drinking Diet Coke, but I like

to have warm Diet Coke and pour it in my cold Diet Coke. Makes sense. And you would like turn around. I'm turning around. Pull that out of my pocket. Nope. I'm just going to pull. And then one of the fucking waitresses ratted me out.

Yeah. I'm with you. I'll be there tomorrow, by the way. Oh, you'll be there tomorrow? Phoenix, Arizona. Stand up live unless the Phoenix shooter hits me. And Aiko Tanaka. The Phoenix shooter?

Yeah, there's a highway shooter that's just shooting cars in Phoenix. I think he's got 11 people so far. Killed? No. No one's been killed yet. But he's just shooting with sniper rifles. So you and Hinchcliffe and Aiko Tanaka, that's a great show. And that's at Stand Up Live, great fucking comedy club.

Unfortunately, we've got to wrap this thing up. Can I just be clear about one thing here? Please do. Open market booze in Ontario, I'm for that, okay? Okay. Okay? The LCBO is okay, but I'm not. That sounds like I was on Team LCBO there.

I see. I don't know what LCBO is is that's the Ontario Liquor Board The group that controls alcohol Okay, free market. Yes. Yes Yeah, I didn't sound like you were okay He was painting something over there. Just get frustrated every time I go to Toronto and I'm like, I'm gonna get some Jack Daniels Oh wait, I can't in advance. Yeah Well, you could still go to a bar.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I think liquor stores should be 24 hours a day. That's one thing that I really love about Vegas is that they don't restrict when you drink. The bad thing is you have to have 15 different kinds of AIDS to get a medical marijuana card there. But that's just for now. Yeah, well, I suppose the thinking there might be that if people get high, they're drinking less, spending less, gambling less. You want to hear irony?

One of the chairmen, one of the commissioners for the Nevada State Athletic Commission, his company that he owns applied for a medical marijuana license. Whoa. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. His name is. How perfect. People dig into this.

Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. His name is. How perfect. People dig into this. His name is Commissioner Marmel, and his company applied for a marijuana dispensary license last year. Anonymous.

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