The Joe Rogan Experience - #705 - Tait Fletcher

Episode Date: October 6, 2015

Tait Fletcher is an actor, stuntman, entrepreneur, and jiu jitsu black belt.

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You know, New Mexico might be the only shape of a state that sort of makes sense. It's fucking square. Basically square. It's like square, but it looks like on the bottom, some dudes just had some miscommunication. Like, fucking dude, you're supposed to be over here. That's Mexico had the miscommunication. Oh, the line. They just want that good part.

Mexico wanted, there must have been a cool elk hunting spot. Probably. And New Mexico's like, yo, we need a cool elk hunting spot probably and uh New Mexico's like yo we need uh gotta have a sorry about it we need this little area this little block off in that corner Mexico you know New Mexico is like one of the premier elk hunting spots in the country yeah different uh like when I was a kid in Michigan we would hunt and maybe but I don't know when I was like 12 or something stuff changed and because elk used to be not hunted and then they opened up a season on them so fucking elk you could

like walk up to a herd of a hundred deep and there would be i would remember there'd be centuries they would post like young bull elks all around the perimeter and um and it was fucking wild dude they were almost tame and then the year after they opened up permits is skittish as white-tailed deer it's really crazy one of the best hunting experiences i had there uh i was in like a pit blind with a bow and there were a bunch of dough at a feed pile and then i was in this big rye field and i hear like come through the woods and then another and these elk met two bulls and they started smashing horns and i was fucking blown away the deer didn't give a shit they're like just eating whatever not even our species

we're good and um it was awesome man it was it was i love growing up the woods are rad man i'm it's so cool that you got into hunting and you're deep, deep, deep in it. I'm too deep. There's nothing better than that. I'm obsessed. But the elk thing is so strange, the noises they make. Like when we were hunting in Colorado, when the females see you, they bark. It's awesome.

Like they let everybody know. They let everybody know. It's so open. There's all that huge tracking. Like you've got to be an athlete in New Mexico and Colorado. It's a different kind of hunt. Well, Colorado, where we were, was in the mountains. It was all trees and stuff, and it was all about hiding behind trees and bringing them to you.

And being on a run or something, yeah. Yeah, trying to be near where they are. And since it's the rut, you're trying to make noises, you know, like cow calls, or you're trying to bring them in, or you're trying to sneak up on them. You put dope piss all over you. You're like, yeah. Is that the new shit? Okay. I was listening to this podcast.

It's a TED Talk podcast. And I don't know if you've ever seen that video, but there's a video that got around about when they reintroduced wolves to yellowstone park yeah but you could you can't hunt in yellowstone park so the animals in yellowstone park are the same way that you were talking about those elk elk are the same way like they somehow or another know that people are not going to hunt them that's the weird thing about it and how it changed like in one season i'm like how are they all symbiotic in this way where they all communicate because none of them had been hunted it's like all of a sudden all the fucking elk knew though yeah it's wild they uh i mean you know what it's like i think you know how uh is there something wrong you know what it's like you know how um you see birds when they fly and those those big

or schools of fish yeah schools of fish when they do that. They all turn on a dime. The flocks just know where everybody's going. It's weird. There's some sort of strange communication. There's a telepathy, I think. And I think that, you read that book, The Rise of Superman? No, I haven't.

Heard it's awesome, though. Awesome. And they talk about, I think the movie was Transformers. That all these dudes in wingsuits went off the Sears Tower in Chicago. Yeah. And making almost 90-degree banks and stuff. Yeah. And there are four of them, and they're following each other.

And if one guy goes, after I see you move, I'm too late. Right. I have to move as you're moving, or else I ruin the airflow and all that, and then I hit the building. Oh, Jesus Christ. as you're moving or else i ruin the airflow and all that and then i hit the building so these guys practice in the alps and they and but they talked about that that you need to be in that flow state and that you can you start to work with each other in a way that is uh supernatural yeah which is crazy because i i felt that flow state as a singular person in different events in my life but like that kind of thing where they're working in tandem with each other and they're all talking to each other and i think like that's the way that fish move or

that's the way like you know what is it that gives a frog the sense to jump off the lily pad right as the hawk is diving before the hawks moved or whatever like what like all those fish it's not like one turns then the rest follow they all move uniformly yeah The schools of fish and the flocks of birds are so magical. When you watch them, like, dance in the sky, those giant flocks of birds. Like, how are they not just slamming heads? Yeah. What is going on there? And then the hawks, the birds of prey, are so different than that.

Yeah. Like, they're, you know. No flocks of them. That meat is a different kind of thing. It does something to people or animals. Yeah. Those seed-eating birds are the ones that can kind of do that. They're like, we really need each other. The ones that are meat eaters are like, I'm good.

This same TED Talk, this guy was talking about how humans, it was a different guy, same podcast though, was talking about how humans interrupt the natural symphony of nature. talking about how humans interrupt the natural symphony of nature and that um this symphony there's like there's a frequency that all these different animals operate at there's like a frog has a niche in this frequency and a bird has a niche in this frequency and they were talking about how when frogs when you have like a whole like swamp filled with frogs it scares off predators well it's it would also does it makes it impossible to locate them because there's so much sound coming from so many different places

you can't find them but they have these low flying jets in this area because this is a place where they practice or pilots practice fighter pilots and so they fly these jets like 600 meters above the ground which is pretty low and

they're they're fucking supersonic speeds they're fucking just going crazy over the swamp and the disruption of sound is so intense that everything stops for a while and then slowly these frogs start to re-synchronize so like one will rid one will rid it, and then they'll try to find each other and get into that rhythm again. But when that happens, when they're trying to find that rhythm, that's when all the hawks, all the owls, and all the coyotes know exactly when to move in. So they move in then and they start picking apart all these frogs. They find the frogs and they eat them. It's really interesting.

Like, they know that there's, like, a disruption in the frequency. And I wonder how the, like, so are those predation animals working on a different frequency than the frogs then? Or, like, they're opportunists in this way where they're like, this is a time, you know. Yeah, they must be opportunists. I think, I mean, I think the whole idea of what, the way he was describing it, the way

the frogs do it, where, you know how like you're in the swamp or something like that and you hear frogs? You don't know where the fuck they are. There's so many of them. Or even what, sometimes what it is. Like they sound fucking crazy. Yeah, there's so many of them. And so when they have to kind of find each other, because their sound is so intense,

when the jet flies over, everybody stops what they're doing. And so they're like, are we doing this? Are we doing this? Are we doing this? Let's do it. Let's do it. How long does it take them to recalibrate?

It wasn't long. It was only a few minutes. It was like, I think, I want to say 15 minutes, but I might be mistaken. But it was less than an hour. And in that time, they're trying to get their shit back together again, and they get jacked that's the thing about uh us humans like being the disruption is that even that like what we think of our i read something somewhere i heard

a podcast where they're like there's a a kid or somebody that developed a a bacteria or a some kind of biome that that will eat plastic and maybe take care of the big island of plaza yeah yeah yeah or whatever right and I started thinking about that I'm like we're fucking idiots like we created plastic like that was our solution then to you know what I mean it's like we put nuclear reactors on the biggest fault line in the world where it's the most active. Like, that's how smart we are. And, like, what do you do when you create a bacteria or something that will eat – what happens when all the plastic's gone?

Like, is that like – you know, is that like the introducing, oh, we've got a rabbit problem in Australia. Let's get a fox. And then we've got a fox problem. You know, it's like, fuck, man. That's Australia. Australia's crazy. Yeah. My buddy Adam lives there. We don't learn from anything. No. fox and then we got a fox problem you know it's like that's australia australia is crazy yeah my

buddy adam we don't learn from anything no we're the most adaptable creature and we're like let's go ahead and get some we got a desert get the golf courses out here let's go ahead and do that well that was what was interesting about this ted podcast is the same guy who was talking about the wolves who's done that video about the wolves in yellowstone right it's really interesting because he's got he's got an english accent and he's very enthusiastic about the wolves in Yellowstone. It's really interesting because he's got an English accent and he's very enthusiastic about the wolves in Yellowstone and amazing things have happened. This guy's crazy, though, because he didn't just want to bring wolves back to Yellowstone.

Now he's talking about bringing megafauna to England. See, they did these studies where they dug dug deep into the the ground and they found fossilized remains from you know 10,000 plus years ago of Lions and Elephants this crazy fucker is talking about reintroducing lions to England we need that but was Was England was interesting about this cat is that he admitted that this all this? Fascination with wolves and everything came out of a midlife crisis He's like he went into a midlife crisis and then

His his solution was to get of a pussy and now my spirit animal is a wolf So this dude got like really super into wolves and super into the idea of what he calls rewilding but the thing is like he was talking about how megafauna used to live in england and that human predation and all that stuff wiped them out but that hasn't been proven that's that they don't know that for a fact that it is entirely possible that the climate was just not the best climate for them, and then also natural disasters, and then also the absolute fact that 90-plus percent of everything that has ever lived ever is extinct. Right.

So this guy's idea of reintroducing— Don't want to kill nothing. Don't want to let nothing die. We are the ultimate pussy, arrogant fuckers that are building golf courses in deserts. It's crazy. Well, the wolf thing is so fast Well, then okay, so there's both sides of that Yeah I've heard both like it's awesome that we have wolves again there and then I've heard people are like this is really the decimation of

an environment like this changed the environment and the the topographical makeup of Yellowstone so much that we were retarding growth in a lot of ways or all like, I mean, anytime you read it to do something, there's an alteration, but like, is it for the good or the bad? Like, well, it's good for some species. It's really good for some birds. It's really good for some, a lot of different kinds of plants and trees. It's really good for trees because Yellowstone had such a huge population of deer and elk and bison and all these different animals They were just eating their shit out of all the grass and the trees got thicker and there they grew taller like within six years They they grew much much taller It's part of the the TED talk this guy gave and the root system got stronger because the root system got stronger

The path of the rivers was was yeah it changed and it was it's crazy it's really really intense so it is good for some animal it's not good for the elk and for the deer but but did they take those anyway would rangers go out and be like we need to take 50 deer out this year or like there's no hunting i don't think there's any hunting but they do in certain circumstances in places where there's no hunting they will bring in people to kill the population if it gets too high. And pick what. Yeah. But the solution to that is allow hunters to go into Yellowstone.

But the problem with that, of course, is that Yellowstone's a national park and people are out there hiking and shit. You don't want yahoos out there shooting guns. That's why I think you just have rangers and you'd be like, this section is closed and make sure there's no campers. Go through it, all that. Yeah. It's hard, though. I mean, you think about how many animals an animal can give birth to. And if there's no wolves, like, that's the other thing about hunting.

One of the things you realize is how much woods there really are, how deep. Everyone's talking about the human beings have absolutely taken over big parts of this country right southern california i mean you go around los angeles area like the wildlife that used to be here has all been pushed out but there's still areas that are insanely wild and yellowstone is one of them i mean there's a lot of wilderness out when i fly from here to new mexico it's like fly over new mexico and tell me like there's just no land anymore it's like there's fucking no people living anywhere in most of that state like it's just that it's not something happening and there's a fucking mountain lion that stalked and hunted one of my friends um in hollywood in the hollywood hills she was at a

party for like fourth of july or something parked her car on a little cul-de-sac house that people are going on vacation, some really rich folks up in the hills. She walks down, and she and two friends, and fucking, and there's a fucking mountain lion that's there. They're in a cul-de-sac. The mountain lion's here, and there's nowhere to go. There's a fence into the fucking crazy story. So anyway, she ends up yelling at it,

scaring it, jumping on top of this Audi or some car that was there, that was parked there, screaming at it, and then that stopped it from advancing, but still, I was like, what sounds did it make? And she's like, oh, it was like a beast from a movie. It was crazy, just talking to her. But you would think that if that was the case, it might have been cornered.

But it wasn't. It was cornering them. Yeah, but why would it corner them and just growl at them? Like a big cat would be stealthy. No idea. But made itself known. She jumped the fence, tried to break the windows of the house,

got a 911 call out. It was sketchy service. Thanks a lot, AT&T. So I switched to Verizon. AT&&t they're just not reliable mountain lions hunting friends they're like when i went to switch it to they go they go well were you using your phone in a high in a in a high traffic zone like i'm like a high traffic zone i'm like are you telling me you oversold your system and that like i can only call at certain times because you charge me every minute of the fucking day anyway i digress um and then the phone call dropped it was awesome i was in the verizon store i was like this is the phone call dropped to the at&t guy while you're in the

verizon store that's adorable and the at&t guy goes um no my battery went dead i'm like motherfucker you're in you're the you're a tech geek like you know your shit is bunk you know on the street your friends laugh they're like oh you sling that at&t shit like you know that's fuck off come on just tell me it's funny you know it's funny he's like no i don't understand what you mean sir i'm like i can't even talk that's baby powder cocaine yeah come on stop all that stop all that shit anyway the lion was tagged oh yeah so that's why she didn't get charged with like an attempted breaking and entering and all this shit from the security cameras on the business I knew where the line was like yeah, the line fucking was done

And I'm like she got tagged lines that are in high density population put like right in downtown Hollywood Yeah, we're super awesome super arrogant about mountain lions. Oh in California. You can't hunt mountain lions They're not hunted right so because of that their populations skyrocketed in this place that i'm going to the to hone ranch there's one water hole that they have where they took pictures of 16 different mountain lions i mean they have a massive population of animals up there because it's 270 000 acres whose ranch is it it's privately owned uh-huh privately owned giant ranch and they it's just huge and there's nothing going on up there other than hunting and some, you know, I think they have a water pipeline goes through it and a bunch of other ways they make money off the ranch. But it's not like there's a lot of people there.

It's very, very few people go in and out of the ranch. So these fucking cats are the run of the land. And there's elk up there and there's deer up there and there's a lot of pigs up there and they just party i want to put gopros on them all like you met like a fucking stalker like be badass why do i think someone did something like that recently they put a gopro on something those aren't those park rangers they're not fulfilling their fucking need if they're not dart those things put gopros on them and let's watch well how long will the battery last i don't know man they need to get teslaros on them, and let's watch. Well, how long will the battery last, though? I don't know, man. They need to get Tesla in there, figure it out.

Let's go, Elon. Do something for this world. You've got a battery that'll never fucking disintegrate and that we're going to keep around forever that's polluting the environment for sure, but you can't get that on a mountain lion? Come on. Use it for my entertainment, at least.

Serious. I think that there's going to be, in the future, there's going to be batteries that just don't run out of juice. Like, we're going to look back 100 years from now, they're going to laugh at us. Piles of batteries and landfills and shit. Hopefully we get to the place where we can be laughed at. Hopefully, if we make it, right?

I mean, that's the thing is I think we get just smart enough. I mean, you say it all the time, just smart enough to where we can go ahead and have our own destruction because of our progress. Because we won't stop progress. It's like, it's that weird thing. It's like that thing I think Duncan was talking about. That Elon Musk put $10 million towards like, this is going to guard us in the future against the rise of the machines type shit. Well, yeah.

He wanted to stop artificial intelligence. Well, he wants to protect us or at least analyze artificial intelligence that's the thing is like any prog show me where progress got halted it's like progress it just spurts it's like a weed you know you can't stop us my hope about progress is they figure out a way to make no residue like that no footprint well not like there's no waste. Like the idea of like, like right now we create pollution. Right. But we had that. How did we have that? Did you ever read that goddamn book about food anyway? And it talked, it surveyed three different meals and one was like a fast food meal.

Another was like a all organic home cooked meal. Another was a meal that like you made everything like you made the flour you harvested the yeast you didn't all that kind of stuff and it was the omnivores dilemma was the name of it and and like farms used to be like that like you'd have some sheep and some pigs and some chickens and they would shit all over here and you'd be growing wheat or corn or whatever over here then they'd move over here then you move your crops over here and so you had a continual fertilization and um and self-utilized farm and then we moved all the animals off the farm and put them in feedlots

and then now we just grow one crop over and over again so we need to have yeah but even if they're doing that you're still using farm equipment The farm equipment had to be built somewhere. The construction materials, there's residue, there's waste. There's all sorts of pollution that comes out of the machines themselves. There's some people that are trying to figure out a way how to take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and utilize it. How to take waste, like all the different waste products that people create with all the different things that we do, whether it's making computers or whether it's driving buses

and figure out a way to turn that waste into something profitable or into something useful. It'd have to be hella profitable. Well, it'd have to be hella useful too, right? Like that's the idea behind this, the plastic island in the ocean. Right, how do you utilize that? Yeah, it's not really an island. People get mad if you call it an island. Because you can't build a house on it? That's the idea behind this plastic island in the ocean. How do you utilize that? Yeah. It's not really an island.

People get mad if you call it an island. Because you can't build a house on it? Exactly. Yeah. You can't sell real estate there. We can't live on that, so fuck you. It's not that. All right.

I figured it made its own environment, though. What do we call it? It's a floating shit. Can we call it cancer? Floating shit, like the size of Texas. They don't even know how big it is, really. That's disputed, too. I like how all the plastic

finds each other. Everybody wants community, even plastic. You know what I mean? I think that's beautiful. It is beautiful. It's like a love story. Plastic, a love story. Plastic, a love story. That could be a new show right there. That should be one of those little 15-minute shorts before you watch a kid's movie. You know what, dude? That's what I need to do. Fuck

all this other shit. I need to get a job with Chevron or something or the plastic companies and I'll be the guy that goes out there. I remember when we were filming Two Guns and I was like in Louisiana and that fucking, they just fucked up the whole Gulf.

It's like way to go. Oh, you were there when that happened? It was right after that. So it was just after. Did you smell it? No, I didn't go down that. It wasn't like that right there. I wasn't on the shores, but like.

How far away were you? We're in New Orleans. And how far away is that from the water? I don't know. that. It wasn't like that right there. I wasn't on the shores. How far away were you? We were in New Orleans. And how far away is that from the water? I don't know. Not that far, right? The river runs out into it and all that. So you didn't smell anything crazy? I mean, no more.

I mean, New Orleans smells fucking weird. There's a lot of new smells to me. It smells like booze. I went to Bourbon Street and I was like, this is just like, and they got everybody at Walmart hammered and brought a party bus and dropped them off and that's what Bourbon Street's like it's a trip Bourbon Street's awesome it's fucking crazy I love it and then it feels like you walk back

all through that quarter and you're like it's all misty and shit and you're like this is like where Jack the Ripper lives like it's fucking eerie as fuck back there and there's tranny hookers and fucking all kinds of darkness all through there. It's a trip.

There's a lot of darkness. BP is doing all this shit and they're going, look at what we've done to help. I could be one of those spin doctors for the plastic guys.

Look at the love in plastic. We've done to help. It was adorable. I was like, I really believe these guys. These are great commercials. Look what we've done to help.

Even though we've dumped millions of gallons of oil. It's like Hallibur help. Even though we dumped millions of gallons of oil. It's like Halliburton. They could be like, look at all these dead Iraqis. Look at what we've done to help. And then they could show them Baghdad five years ago and Baghdad now. It's a little different. It used to be like New York City.

Now it's caves. What we're trying to do is we start from scratch and then do it right this time. Go back to the cave people and do it right. You know, that is one of the arguments that historians use. Like, it's in the beginning of Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series on the Mongols. Did you listen to that? You know how he's talking about Hitler?

In the beginning of the thing, he was talking about how the way people talk about Genghis Khan today, they say that he opened up the trade routes with China and all the things. They try to put a positive spin on what he did. But the reason why they could do that is because it was a thousand years ago. Right. But if they try to do that about Hitler, it's too soon. He's like, it's an interesting thing that people do when it comes to history. Too soon is a funny hashtag. Hashtag too soon.

Hitler, hashtag too soon. Hashtag blessed. Yeah. Every revolution starts with a fight. Yeah. I learned that today on the UFC promo for Ronda and Holly. You know, have you seen the thing that they've done? Well, actually, I can't talk about it.

I don't think it's going to public yet. I cried when I saw it. It was so good. They're doing great fucking promo work for Holly and Rhonda's fight. Oh, the one with the- And it shows them as little girls coming out. Oh, you did see that one. Did you cry?

Oh, dude. You know what brought it on is when Holly, as a little girl, is sitting in church, and the people are looking at her- Because she's got a black eye. And it looks up, and she's got a black eye and she kind of gives that smile. And what made me cry is the pride of a black eye that people don't have.

There's not a lot of people that would know what that is. To be proud, she worked for that black eye. You know what I mean? Well, people would look at a girl with a black eye and think that she got beat by her man. Could be. That's what a lot of people think. I don't think that way.

I don't see color, Joe. That's not a color thing, dude. I think that's a male female it's a gender thing could be i'm just not that aggressive it is a funny thing why you laugh jamie it is a funny thing man if you if you train a lot and you have a black eye it's kind of a badge of courage oh yeah it's like cauliflower here somebody asked me what the fuck was wrong with my ear. I'm like, what's wrong with yours, punk? It's a man's shit, son.

One time I had a serious black eye. I actually had two black eyes, and I was on Fear Factor. And I was like, look, just let me do the show with black eyes. Who gives a shit? Because I didn't wear makeup on Fear Factor, but during I did they brought in a makeup artist a spray person they so crazy How people don't want to be authentic they're like we can't have this be real We need to have it look a certain way the way we think of him to look it's like how about you Just I look like me. Yeah, that's it's great

So you all that shit about the camera puts on 10 pounds or whatever motherfucker it makes you look exactly like you are Don't be so fat I was thinking all that shit about the camera puts on 10 pounds or whatever. Motherfucker, it makes you look exactly like you are. You're not happy with that. Don't be so fat. I don't know what to tell you. I've never understood that camera puts on 10 pounds thing. I look in the mirror. I look at myself on camera.

Right. It's exactly the same. Real similar. It's the same. How does a camera put on 10 pounds? Where is that coming from? So good. Is that like the old cameras? Maybe so.

Maybe like them old. With some kind of flex lens. Maybe. Like a circus lens. Maybe it was like before they had HD. It's fucking funny, man. You know, when I was on news radio. I think it's just people are pussies and they'll make any excuse to not have it be real.

That's true. It's not my fault. I don't need to be accountable for that. It's the camera. Well, I'm in really good shape. Yeah. It's just this. I wasn't my eight one time in 82.

Makes me have a gut. When I was on news radio, it was right when they were introducing HD cameras. And I'll tell you, man, actresses were shit in their pants. Really? It was crazy. Yeah, they'd have conversations in the makeup room, like, we're going to need a lot more of this once the HD cameras come. Holy fuck. They were all scared.

Because you can have a girl that- Those makeup people like to be scared anyway. They like to create a drama. It wasn't the makeup people like to be scared anyway like to create it It wasn't a makeup people was the actresses. Yeah, but they were those are of sign mom sound mind Stable they knew that they looked better on TV than they did in real life. Look at David Caruso and oh Or in real life. It's like holy fuck in real life. He looks like a zombie duty and 106 Yeah, at least a hundred yes 106 with some real diet real Cryptkeeper shit yeah yeah he swings kettlebells does he that guy's like is

he a smoker is that what he looks like he must be but he's also redheaded there's red he's got that bill burr shit but bill burr looks great looks really good he looks healthy as fuck he's got the funniest thing, too, about faceless. Like, he's like, I'd rather look like a 40-year-old guy than a 29-year-old lizard. He's like, it's clear they don't have that shit worked out. What are you doing pulling your face straight like that? That is weird, man. He's awesome. There's this lady at my daughter's gymnastics class who's got monster face.

I call it monster face. One of those poor ladies they do their lips and then they shoot rubber into their face to fucking fill it up and then they pull that bitch back and then she's monster face like you look at it you go oh jesus like you can't like but meanwhile she's right next to a 70 year old lady who looks fine you look at her you go hello how you doing like you don't get weirded out at all You're just looking at an older woman that ageism is a weird thing and that you the self-talk that happens around it that People do is like it's a fucking trip like what people run from in that way it is well It just feels like they don't do the mission. They would really do it

It's like don't you want to move well all the time don't you want to fucking like be able-bodied and all no no no But I could get some surgery to do something like well they just want to look good right like there's some people that look good until their face moves like they can convince themselves they look good because they're like looking in the mirror and then everything looks okay as long as they stay still yeah but once they start talking you go hey your fucking cheeks aren't moving man right like one time we were in the green facial expression we were in the green room of the improv and Brea and this remember when Joan Rivers and her daughter had like a reality show and I was high as and you're wondering who do I want to fuck more John or her daughter no no no and it's that that's how

neither one of those were an option but I was was looking. We were really, really high. It was me and Diaz, and you know how that goes. So we're in the green room, and we're looking up at the screen, and I couldn't. I was freaked out. I mean, just, like, nervous and terrified at Joan Rivers' face because her face was like a rubber kabuki mask. It's absolutely as if when you're looking and you're like,

it looks like somebody's about to explode. It looks like there's an impending something happening, and you're not sure what but it's like it's so fucking not right I don't know it just looked Frozen it looked like frozen and rubber and weird and she died getting operated on right wasn't plastic surgery though I don't think it was plastic surgery. Isn't that how Kanye's mom died too? I think yes I think she died from plastic surgery. Anesthesia going under for, yeah. Yeah.

That going under is no bullshit. It's weird that we live in such an advanced society, but they're like just putting people to sleep. We might kill them. Don't know. It's so rare though. It's, you have to be a poor health to go on. I've gone under a bunch of times for surgeries and I've had both my knees done, one knee

twice, my nose done. I've had a lot of shit fixed and they they just put you under in their front like you never hear of a fighter dying when they go under it's usually older people or people that are poor health maybe what have you had done my knee my shoulder three times damn yeah you should have done three times. Yeah, I was an overachiever. They scoped it first, and then I ripped that one out, and then they did another one where it was a real aggressive thing. They changed my anatomy around in that shoulder.

What? What does that mean? Your bicep head goes in, and they cut off the bone where it goes in on one of them, and they moved it and screwed it in underneath to be like a physical block So it wouldn't dislocate, which then you fast forward 15 years later. And I was having a lot of AC joint hurt, like trouble. And there's just rubbing together. And so this other doctor, he goes in and he's going to clean that up and says, it'll be great.

Awesome. He looks at my x-rays. He goes, Oh my God, who did this to you? And I go, it's not very encouraging. What do you mean? Fuck. He goes, just nobody ethically would change your anatomy like that. And I was like, it was a cutting-edge shit at Michigan State University fucking 15 years ago.

Like, I don't know. Wow. So anyway, but it's been solid since then. That's my good shoulder. So did that guy do it again? That guy just cleaned up my AC joint. That was my fourth surgery. So when they clean it up, like, what do it again? That guy just cleaned up my AC joint. That was not forced surgery. So when they cleaned it up, what do they do?

My friend Melissa from the UFC, she just had her shoulder done. I think they shave it. They put some kind of fake synovial fluid maybe back in it. They try to influence cartilage growth perhaps. Well, hers was bone growth. When you have any sort of of an issue like a lot of arthritis and rubbing like oh you see that a lot a lot of time in uh spinal stenosis around the spinal columns you'll see growth like on the edges of the uh the spine of the discs yeah they well

not on the discs itself but on the the hard pieces the spine you, the disc is the stuff in between the spine. And the, what do they call those things? What's the spine bone? What's a bone? I think we did spine bone. Spine bone. Yeah, I know just what you're talking about. The disc is the, your backbone. The disc is in between that there's a semi-permeable,

like pumice crete type of deal. Yeah, that's the mushy stuff. Yeah. And that's the stuff that cushions everything. Right. And the bone around it. Like a shock absorber. Vertebrae. Vertebrae, thank And the bone around it. Like a shock absorber.

Vertebrae. Vertebrae. Thank you, Jamie. God damn it. Thank you very much, Jamie. I knew there was a word. How did I not even remember that? Seems like that's in my lexicon, but I couldn't summon it.

I've had a rough day. I've been running around. But the edges, as your discs get smaller, if you're losing disc degeneration. Right. And by the way, a lot of doctors will start to tell people that it's disc degeneration disease, and they'll let you know that, oh, it's a disease. You don't have to worry about it. It's use.

It's use. It's not a disease for the most part. Most of the time when they say that, what it is is you've been abusing your body. Because I've talked to a bunch of fighters, and they'll say, well, it's disc degeneration disease. I'm like, oh, well, it has nothing to do with you fucking head-butting dudes 100 miles an hour like shooting for doubles right and running into people's hips getting suplexed over and over again or tossed or whatever this isn't this isn't a disease we're talking this isn't herpes concussion

yeah this is you're beating the fuck out of your body man but um the edges they develop like bone spurs like the bone tries to grow and almost like your bone is trying to fill in the area where it knows that the spinal disc isn't there anymore it's weird how your body fights for homeostasis no matter what like going into that that's like they said my shoulder there's enough scar tissue in this one that that's probably what keeps it from getting dislocated the scar tissue keeps it in place. Wow. I got to get on that stem cell shit. Dude, stem cell shit is the best.

Vegas, you still got to give me that guy's info. Oh, yeah, I will. That's Dr. Davidson from the UFC is the one who connected me with the people. But, dude, they've done a bunch of people now. A bunch of UFC people have staggering results. Yeah, you were saying Roy Nelson did his knee? Cormier. Daniel Cormier did his knee.

Stem cells. If I were those guys at AKA, I would just do every joint. Even if there was no problem, I'd be like, if he were the coach, he'd be like, just get in there and just do it. That's what Ludwig did. Preemptively? Yep, preemptively. Got both his shoulders done.

I think he did his hips too. Dude, I can't imagine the... Fuck. He's such a savage. And to hold mitts for somebody like that, like him, like Winklejohn should do that too. Like, you beat the fuck out of yourself. Brandon Gibson, all those guys.

You're a professional mitt holder. You need to do that. That's worse than fighting. Yeah. For your shoulder joint health that's horrible especially if you're holding mitts for some fucking gorilla john jones yeah come on well john jones hits hard but like imagine like like like travis brown or travis brown alistair yeah especially alistair when he was on the sauce i don't know if that's true or not

i believe it's true i think it was proven i i believe it sauce. I don't know if that's true or not. I believe it's true. I think it was proven. I believe it was proven. I don't know what you're saying. He was suspended. All that shit is so dumb. That drug shit. Fucking stupid. You know, when I was in high school, I had to write a paper, and the paper that I wrote

was that you should legalize every drug. And I was all... That sounds like the kind of thing a 14-year-old would write. I was all hyped up on NWA and gangster rap, and I was like, how in the fuck did Eazy-E get a Uzi? Like, he doesn't look like anybody that should have a Uzi. That's true.

Oh, it's because he can sell... And the black market is the only thing that makes crime. I'm like, why do we have a black... But that's the thing, and not everybody's all fucking excited about marijuana. You're all twats. Everybody's a fucking pussy. You're out there like, oh, look at Wicked Smoker joint on CNN.

Well, guess what? You still got fucking 500,000 guys that are locked up. You should be protesting that every fucking day if pot's really actually legal. Like in those states, they should just be letting dudes out by the fucking dozens every minute. That is true. Can you imagine if you were in Colorado and you're in jail for i'll be like what in the fuck what in the fuck and then how many of those guys are in there and then they fucking catch a real case in there because now you've got a fighter you're in a riot of fuck that's horrible that does happen that does have all that shit should be legal the only thing that and and people are like well they if they do just tax it everybody's like

if they just tax it the government but that's on the idea that the government gives a fuck the government i mean it makes more money it's not like if i can tax you who wants to buy weed i want to how do i tax everybody i make them all scared and then i imprison guys for this illegality and then i can get the public dollars because look at isn't it scary that we got these black and mexican guys that are selling dope and we need to put them somewhere? Well, that's a business. That's a huge business, the whole business. Well, that's a business, though.

There's another business. The other business is legal marijuana, where you make more money from tax dollars from legal marijuana in Colorado. Yes, they do. And this year in Colorado, they made more money from tax dollars from marijuana than they did from alcohol for the first time ever. Okay, but what I would love to see. Because they tax it very high.

What I want to see then is those numbers versus all the public and federal money that comes from taxpayers that goes into law enforcement, whether it's at sheriff, drug enforcement levels, DEA levels, FBI, like all the different funding, which is fucking huge. And all the prison shit. Like, where's all the, so all the public tax dollars, show me that the taxing on pot is more than that, and I would agree. Well, it's not more than that now. I bet it's dwarfed. I bet you're right.

I bet you're right. Well, especially, well, drug enforcement is weird because you're looking at a blanket, you know, you're looking at pills, you're looking at heroin, coke, the marijuana drug enforcement. Legal, legal, legal. Make it all legal. Well, make it all legal and at least you're going to get taxes from stuff that's already being sold anyway.

And then you can use that money for education, use that money for treatment. But the people that are in law enforcement, the problem with the law enforcement when it comes to drugs is like they're fucking lobbying to keep shit illegal yeah they don't want it they don't want it legal they don't why would you and then when you've got i believe it's the biggest union in the maybe in the world but in the country as the correctional prison guards yeah so you got i don't know if it's the biggest but they they lobby they're one of the biggest contributors for drug legals keeping drugs illegal They lobby hard to make sure that drugs stay illegal because it keeps them in jobs

But you know what man you just gotta figure out alternatives for those people Do you think people that are prison guards want to be fucking prison guards if you could find some sort of a positive job? If you could but I bet a lot of those guys are like I'm in power over some fucking bad motherfuckers, and they like that. Their consciousness is fucked up because they're like, well, if you got that job, you're a prisoner. You are a prisoner all day. You've just chosen to be a prisoner, and you think you're free. You're fucked. You're a head guy.

You just don't know, and so it's a guy that's got that kind of consciousness to where he doesn't even know he's fucked can you imagine the fucking feeling that you must get like they shut those gates behind you and you're working with all those people that are in there for life and you got to go home at night and then you're gonna go home at night and you can quit and leave anytime you want but your work environment is filled with all these people that are just doomed they're doomed and occasionally they arrive yeah i don't i watched that freeway rick ross uh documentary last week and i thought man that is crazy like you're like you know like more money than anything like you could anything you're living a life that like is is like if bill gates had an exciting life like type like whatever you wanted to do any any vacations any anything and then you go into nothing

a prison and then you come out and he's just like printing t-shirts or whatever he's trying to do any any vacations any anything and then you go into nothing a prison and then you come out and he's just like printing t-shirts or whatever he's trying to do and trying to stay he's just trying to hustle fuck yeah he does like speeches and does a bunch of different shit but he's just trying to hustle and stay straight it's it's hard man it's also crazy because he went in and he was making all that money millions and millions of dollars and he couldn't read millions a day yeah millions a day couldn't read yeah and then figured out how to read then figured out how to fucking read law books and then figured out that his case was bullshit and then got it overturned because he was under the

three strikes law yeah but they tried to try him going criminal enterprise not a not a or whatever it's like it was one ongoing criminal enterprise, not a... Or whatever. It was one robbing spree. That it wasn't secular events is how he did it. So they were saying, oh, Ohio's a separate thing. And he's like, no, because I was on a continuous criminal spree. My whole life was a continuous criminal spree. Well, the three-strike thing, they tried him for two things at the same time.

And it's not how it works. You're supposed to go away, and then they catch you again, and you go away, and then they catch you again. That's three strikes. But they tried to do it for him with more than one different thing tagged onto one arrest. Right. That's not how it works. Oh, and then they planted a bunch of shit on him. They just wanted to put him in jail to win.

That's the thing. It's weird that they let him out. It's weird that that worked. Well, it worked because he was right yeah but the the problem i've been talking about this a lot i think the problem with law enforcement in general like one of the big problems is that people want to win when people get in the game sure they get it whether it's jujitsu or it's fucking ping pong you want to win or like the drug testers like they're not looking they're not wanting you to have... That's not true. Some guys probably are.

But they're not looking for you to have a free test. They're like, I want to catch this dirty guy. And they see all the guys as dirty. But that's the hustle, right? That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to catch people cheating. So they, oh, look at this motherfucker. Every day, you're playing a game.

And the game is catch the guy with the rubber dick. Do you think they should... Take piss. The Wizinator. I got excited for a second. Yeah, yeah. Jeff Monson made that famous. Did he?

Yeah, he was the first guy that I'd heard about a Wizinator with. But those guys are fucking, I think all that shit should be legal, too. Like, when they do gene splicing or whatever the fuck is next that they're going to do, like they're going to have myostatin inhibitors and all that kind of stuff. You're going to have a thing if all these fucking useless fucking nerds that are regulating this shit are like, we want to have clean athletes, whatever. Okay, so you're going to have a crowd of fucking people at the MGM that are all in way better shape and condition

than the actual fucking fighters that are competing. That is for sure what the future is. When that does happen, we're going to have to have a totally new conversation because I think right now what's going on is they're just trying to prevent the first drips of water that are coming out of that dam and they're putting their fingers in it. It's like stopping the rise of the machines, Elon Musk. You're not going to do it. It's coming.

It's coming. It's coming. What are you going to do when the rise of the... In New Mexico? I'll just roll, baby. You're going to go to... I'll just roll. I'll ride. I'll roll. It's common. What are you gonna do in the rise of me in New Mexico? I just roll baby. You're gonna go to this roll I'll ride it out. How do we do this? I'll survive. Well, tell me how we do this. I don't know I can't get a ranch. I can't plan. Let's get a ranch. We've been talking about that for a decade. Let's do it All right, come on man. We're what state you're making some banks now. I see you Every time I fucking watch an action movie I see you in the movies. Money, dog. How crazy.

Every time I fucking watch an action movie, I see you get shot. I'm in Sicario right now. Are you in that one? I heard that's dope. Yelling in Spanish at motherfuckers. Really? Yeah. I heard that movie's dope.

They're like, can anybody speak Spanish? I'm like. Right here, bitch. Well, I looked around. There's four of us. And I looked around, and there was a fucking bunch of Chicano dudes in me. And I was like, well, if one of these guys. And none of them raised their hand.

I'm like, boom. And then I got on my text to fucking the guy that coaches jiu-jitsu for us at 10th Planet in Santa Fe. And I'm like, hey, Ruben, how do I say it? Get on one of those fucking... Through text, I...

Through text? Through text. I'm like, dude, you gotta write it out phonetically. I don't need to know the real... This has got to sound right. You just got to get one of those Rosetta Stones. And then I just practiced over and over. It was in the moment. It was like going to film 20 minutes later.

Oh, shit. It was like right then. They're like, hey, we want to add this scene in. It was awesome. Oh, shit. It's a little known secret. Wow. Don't tell anybody.

Too late. That's awesome. I love that. Yeah, dude. That's tape. I just make shit happen. You know what I mean? I hear you, dude. That's tape. I just make shit happen. I hear you, dude. That's why I say I just freestyle that shit.

How it's going to work. It's like the whole movie thing. I'm going, how did this happen? I'm like, fuck. I don't know. I try to ask you. I'm like, do I need to age it? You're like, fuck.

I don't know. One of the best things that I've heard about it is fucking Pauly Shore. And he goes, he was at the- Pauly Shore gave you give you advice no he was giving advice to like three other little actors like benji and a couple people that were comics at the at the store and he goes uh you know the truth is is nobody knows how to do it and i and i just took that and i go okay fuck everybody everybody that tell you how to do it they never done it all those people are coaching acting or they're doing whatever and i'm like i'm just gonna run with this and fucking do it and i'll show up and i see the guys that

are there and i'm like well i don't know that i'm great but i know i'm better than that guy and uh but you also have an unusual look i do you know i do i've been told that a lot and now it's paying off but you know you're a big giant dude you got a crazy beard yeah you know you know how to fight i give all these skills handsome as fuck intelligent speak well green-eyed devil you look great you got a lot going on well all that came and then i just got i just kept you know i always used to live like thinking other shoes about to drop right like for a long time and i thought it's just not gonna end up good and and because like i didn't correlate that my actions were getting my results

in a lot of ways, you know? And I think a big part of that is just being accountable for your life. Like a guy told me, he says, you know why you're all fucked up? And I go, why? And he's like, because you think you're a good guy because you base yourself on your intentions. And the whole world is reacting to your actions. And I was like, well, don't they know that i'm thinking i intended and then i'm like none of that you know if you

step on a dude's shoes and you didn't you didn't mean to his shoes are still fucking dirty and uh and so like just bringing all that shit into my everyday and i think the whole thing more and more that i think about is heightening awareness and the more you are aware the less dumb you are and the less dumb you are the better off you do that's a really good you can train yourself to be more aware you know yes you can and it happens all the time and you don't just get it but you get layers of it you know yeah layers is the whole that's a great way of putting it the whole way you just said it is a great way of putting it the i think a lot of people think that they're a good person, but they'll do douchey

shit or they try to get away with something because they're hustling and they're broke. And you know, it's that constant self-reflection and people are like, well, how are you successful or whatever? And I'm like, cause I'm a loser. You know, like I remember, I remember talking with you and you're like, I always felt like a loser too. Like when we would go on the road and shit and you're like, cause I'm living a life that's different than other people are living. I'm not a 9-to-5 guy or whatever the thing is. And so you're living this life that's out of the norm, and it's like, and thank God you get to be an uncommon man in that way.

The other way would have killed me and you and Eddie and Ari and Duncan. And you look at all that, and I go go that's no fucking mistake that we're all Doing well happy positive and I go man I owe everything just to the people that I've chosen to have around me That's a huge that I've been graced about in my life huge huge part of your life huge And you also you get power when your friends are doing well, like when I see you in movies I get power Yeah, you know when I see you in John wick, I got I power from that i was like oh we all it's like an encourage it's like how do you stay inspired you stay around inspirational people you know i mean and that

and that's the thing for me and so like whether it's the gym i work out at or or uh you know what i'm putting in my body or anything like who i'm living like all that shit matters man where i'm living i used to live in hancock park and then i moved to venice and i'm like, all my people are in Venice, and I want to be near the ocean. And, like, fucking that's a different vibe down there. It's a different vibe. It's very crowded, but it's a great vibe. It's so nice, man. It's, like, more relaxing.

It's like being in New Mexico for me. I'll jam next to each other, though. I don't like the crowdedness of Venice. That's why I could never look at, like, New York. I'm only at, like, Deuce Gym, the place where I work out at and train a lot. I know where that is. Outdoors, right across from Whole Foods. That's a great spot.

I'm just there, posted up. We do podcasts there. It's rad. It's fucking nice. And then everything's walking distance. Is that your friend's gym? Do you know people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so you live up near there? Yeah, just like, I don't know, five minutes away. That's a nice area. There's a lot of good restaurants. There's a lot of great stuff. Huge, man. If you had a place to park your car You know what though parking is better than Hollywood. It's a shit out of parking in Hollywood That's true

You know Hollywood is so ridiculous and you can walk like my favorite restaurants are like lunch on Lincoln and then Oscars down on Rose Yeah, and those are just both five minutes from anywhere like it's easy or there's a great Italian restaurant in Washington to that is like there's a great, uh, Italian restaurant in Washington too. That is like, there's a lot of good places down there. Like you said. And, uh,

and there's always Valley, you know, fuck you. There's always Valley. If you're, if you're fucking, you just got to drive the right car. You can't drive your car.

I have a pickup truck. I'm a goddamn American. I don't have Joe Rogan money yet. I didn't have my, you know what the, who does, this is it too, man. My pal, like I've got, so after Breaking Bad, I did, I got some money off of that.

And then at that same time, a friend of mine from New Mexico, this guy Rico Taylor, he calls and he goes, hey, dude, I'm, and he was best friends with my friend Marcos, who started Nuevo with me. Marcos, who started Nuevo with me. And so Nuevo, like everybody I fuck with is all people that I love and that I've been tied into for a long time. And everybody's doing good. It's rad. But he just picked up a Lambo. And he goes, hey, is it realistic that I put $60,000 down on it and I'll pay, I don't know if it's $4,000 a month or something. And, you know, does that sound reasonable to you?

And I'm like, fuck no. It doesn't sound sound that's that's crazy four thousand dollars is an apartment like that like my house isn't like what the fuck that's a mortgage that's an apartment in new york city that's awesome you're 33 years old and you can fucking do that and be fuck yes do that live an unreasonable life do that thing so we when i when i got that money what what happened with that was it seeded these bars concrete cowboy and so we got one in austin we got one in houston in five weeks we'll open we got one in dallas and it's paid back like six times what we invested but i gave that money going i don't have any more money in the world and fuck it i've been broke before here's my money and fucking i knew that rico would take care of it i knew he'd be a good steward of it and if it didn't work it didn't work and whatever and like that being free about it and like i did a couple things like it made me go the money is not you it doesn't matter like that's a

replaceable commodity that's nothing and and also it's like i've been rolling the dice my whole life so let's roll the dice and then we fucking just started taking off with that and then three years later motherfuckers driving a lamborghini it's fucking rad dude it's rad lamborghinis are shit boxes though tell him those things are gonna break down that thing well he you know what he says he's like you just you just roll it for two years and then you can sell it back you can make money on it and then you and then i said then what he says well then you're just in the flip then you got a lamborghini every year you get a new one don't you tell him i don't want to do that like what I want to do is I want to get one of those icon four by fours I had the 65 I want to do yeah but I called that dude before he was on your show house and ward yeah and I go I emailed

him then he called me back I go hey hey Brad I'm like this guy's calling me and and he must have thought I had some Jay Leno money or something oh yeah I used to work with guys in your field or whatever I'm like what's my I'm like, this guy's calling me. And he must have thought I had some Jay Leno money or something. He's like, oh, yeah, I used to work with guys in your field or whatever. I'm like, what is my field? I don't even really know. And he's like, well, an actor. And I go, oh, okay, cool. And he's like, yeah, to redo your rivy, it'd be like around 400. I'm like, you're talking the wrong fucking guy.

$400,000 to redo your rivier. That is crazy. What did he want to do to it? I don't know. Ground up the whole digitized and redo the whole undercarriage and the whole brake system. $400,000. I don't know. Because those Broncos.

If you guys can come in under $400,000, holler at your boy, Tate Fletcher on Instagram. Because those Broncos are two. He does those Broncos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're done to the tits. They're two. He's got those, though, and then he's got, like, you know, the Reformers. And then it's always, they're different price points.

And I think if you bring your own, you know, box of hazards to them, he probably thinks about it a different way. Who knows? Well, he does a bunch of different kinds of cars. But one of the coolest ones he does is those old Toyota Land Cruisers. Yeah. He takes those FJ62s. They don't even look that cool. And then he puts a Corvette engine in them.

He puts a modern LS Corvette engine in them and fucking completely redoes the suspension. He's got a big power wagon or something, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see that one, that white one? Yeah. I like that with all that billeted fucking steel. That one's stupid expensive. Dude. That one's stupid expensive. Dude.

That one's like way, way into the twos. Yeah. Like high twos. There's a used one I saw on YouTube or on eBay or somewhere. Oh, yeah? It was like 140 they were asking for. One of his? Really?

Yeah. Wow. That's a bargain. But a diesel fucking- Diesel? Awesome. A diesel power wagon? Really?

Yeah. See, he does amazing stuff. That guy is a real- He's a real engineer. Yeah. And an astute Yeah. See, he does amazing stuff. That guy is a real craftsman. He's a real engineer. Yeah. And an astute eye. Well, I'll take you to his place if you want to go and check it out. I called him.

I was like, when are you there? He's like, oh, next week or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Let's go together. Come with me. I'll go with you. Okay. Because he's doing a Blazer now, a K5 Blazer, those old Chevy Blazers.

I love those. If he's going to do it, it's going to be insane. Fuck yeah. He's going to do an icon version of the Blazer, so he's going to completely update the suspension and all the components. But yeah, man, his customers are just rich as fuck. Those are the kind of people.

Well, it is the Jay Lunders of the world and all that. I mean, I heard him on your show and he was like, yeah, Dana wanted one, but he didn't want to wait or whatever. And I'm like, holy fuck. Yeah, it takes over a year. I mean, he has full-time employees working on your car for over a year I mean, that's why it cost $200,000 But when you go there you get it like when I went to his shop and like oh I get it

He's sent like yeah You could cut a lot of corners here there and have it look the same and cost a hundred thousand dollars But this fucking guy is doing everything like what is the best bolt that I can get? What's the best brakes? And he's standing by his stuff. It's not like you're driving off the thing at West Coast Customs or something like that or wherever it is. And it's like, yeah, see, and if you've got a problem, come on back.

That's a dude that is like, he cares about every piece that comes through. Oh, no. Not only does he just care, that guy, if he doesn't care, he won't build it. Right. He won't build it. Yeah. If he's not excited about it. When he said no to Dana,

it's like, how he would just say a no, being like, that's outside of my integrity of what I've set up. Well, if Dana wants one of those Broncos, all he has to do is wait around and say,

contact me whenever you got one for sale. And the other thing- Bronco number one just went up for sale. He could throw money in an account and go, here, I'll prepay for it. Just holler in a year when it's done yeah or whatever well dan is you're still gonna want it in a year impatient you're still gonna want it yeah next year yeah can i get one now well you could have if you would have given me money last year yeah but now it's another year yeah well it's more now i think he's in a 2018 that's the thing about the

broncos getting better at anything it's like you know you're there's gonna come a day when you want to get better Mm-hmm fucking do it now like that was one of the best like well so many coaching like sports has given me so much but um Mike then ours Dale one time he would do like guided meditation sometimes after practice and So there's fucking 40 sweaty guys laying on the mats he'd turn the lights off in the gym at jackson's and uh and he'd go hey i know you guys we did a lot of technical wrestling today and you think hey i'm young there's a lot of time and i'll be able to get this i'll put this together i'll piece it together i got a little better today he says i just want

you to consider that there's a guy that's demanding to be better right now there's a guy that knows he needs to get it today and you're gonna have to fight that guy so he's like fucking turn your fucking learning curve up and like he would really speak into that kind of a voice of going it's not just it's not just oh when it happens it happens it's like demand that you get better now and that's a powerful way to look at stuff i think that's some some wrestling mentality man those wrestlers are fucking that's a different breed of guy they're like I need to do this now well I think you have that with boxers you have that with kickbox you have that with anybody who is just fanatical about improvement you have to have that insane insane just the drive to perfection and

belief yeah but you got to be obsessed man if you're not obsessed you're not obsessed, you're not going to beat the guys obsessed. No. I remember when I saw fucking Jon Jones when he first came down. The first time I'd ever seen him was when I never knew anything about him until he beat up Stefan Bonner. And I was live at that fight, and I was like, holy fuck. And he was just learning back then. He didn't know.

And the throws, I was like, and Stefan's maybe bigger than me. He's fucking not not small he's good he's adept at everything and he's hitting them with elbows like their jabs and knees and then throwing them like crate anytime i'd get close to him throw him and i was like holy fuck and then i don't know a month or two months later he came to jackson's and he's there and i'm like i was like hey and i knew he wrestled like i knew a bunch of tough wrestlers from from new york and i was like uh where'd you learn Muay Thai, though? Because Tom Watson, he'd just gotten back from a Dutch kickboxing camp,

and dudes go to Thailand all the time, and there's all that. And he goes, YouTube. What the fuck? Dudes are dying, and you're just like, he's like, well, I look at it, and I go huh and then I believe and I'm like holy fuck Like no proper training. He just watches shit on a video like Like don't watch the matrix. He's a special talent. He is a special town Well, I think one of the problems with John is that it's he absolutely has worked hard

But it has come way easier for him that it has for other people And I think part of that is because he grew up with two super athletes for brothers Kenny when you just getting your ass kicked all the time in your house by giant super athletes Yeah, both his brothers are NFL fucking all-stars. Yeah, he's got two super athletes joke about it is Whatever comes out of there, just Nike should sponsor. They should sponsor John's mom. They're all super athletes.

It's so true. Yeah. It's so true. I mean, his level is just like right out of the box. Well,

then they say they used to beat him up or whatever. He's like, I'm not the toughest one in my family. He's the least toughest. My brothers will beat my ass.

The younger brother, his younger brother beats his ass. Like his younger brother was talking about it like in an interview. They asked him for TMZ and he's like, I'll beat his ass right now. He's like, his younger brother beats his ass. Like his younger brother was talking about it like in an interview. They asked him for TMZ. And he's like,

I'll beat his ass right now. He's like, what the fuck, man? Remember when he watched, when he choked Liotto? Mm-hmm. And I'm like, he doesn't even really know how to,

like, I'm looking at that, or when he choked Bader. I'm like, that's not. Well, the Liotto choke was a great choke because he knows how to push.

First of all, he knows how to cover the head. He covers the head, but also he pushes the arm. He pushes his palm back that way. He's just learning. He can seize that up. He's learning in these moments. He's so strong.

He's so strong. And then I thought how scared. I was like, Bader, he looked great against Rashad. He looked like a different athlete. But he's a different athlete over the last four fights, Bader is. He's been amazing. But back then, when he just relied on wrestling that john jones fight when do you see a sun-kissed kid wrestler pull half guard yeah like that like it's and he just was like i don't

want to i don't want to get in a bad position maybe i can hang on to this yeah he was just overwhelmed he was oh and i mean that's the kind of power that he'd never felt. And that's a huge top of the food chain wrestler. That's crazy. That shows you how special John is. Look at how good Glover Teixeira has looked against everybody else but John. Well, Phil Davis did beat his ass. But Phil Davis beat his ass when he was fighting out of Connecticut. And his shoulder was all fucked up from the John Jones fight.

And there's a lot of things wrong with his camp. I really think that Glover has the right mentality, too, as far as, like, stalking and getting really aggressive towards Jones and taking the center. Because Jon just takes the center of the ring and makes everybody run in a circle around him. You know what I mean? Yeah, but Glover was like, that was one of the fascinating things about that fight. Glover was, like, loading up on shots. And Jon was just aware of everything. He's like, nope.

You can't fight him like that. I think guys are looking like they want to put him away and it's like, it's not, he sees too much to be able to do that. You have to really, how are you going to surprise him with one shot? You're not. It's incredible though. When you think about that, it's incredible that he has that sort of awareness with relatively small

amount of time striking. Yep. I mean, when you consider his entire life, and the fact he's only 27, wins the title at 23, you know? Yeah, the growth is exponential. Is it 22 or 23 that he won the title? 22. 22, yeah.

I mean, I hate what happened with him. I hate to see a guy run into that classic cliche of partying and just messing up his life. And then the hit and run, it's like, God damn. I think it's that youth stuff, you know, and it's the thing that, like, I would just ask everybody to be gracious looking at it in that way because it's shit that maybe not everybody does, but a lot of young dudes, you go through that shit.

And he went through it at a little later time Maybe but away public time like he's you know that that's the thing that when you're so Publicized like that people are gonna see all your warts, and there's nobody that's walking without warts It's like that's one of the problems with the way we view. I think politics. I think everything it's like You know before the internet like all those politicians are pretending that they didn't fuck kids or have affairs or do blow or whatever. Kids. That's Jared. Um,

but I know what you're saying, you know, that, that, that kind of thing. And it's like when, when you live with transparency, like we have a lot more transparency now.

It's like everybody's seen, there's no coverups of scandals except nine 11. But beyond that, what about chemtrails? Black helicopters. Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, cover-ups of scandals right except 9-11 but beyond that what about chemtrails black helicopters yeah yeah i uh i wonder if it's going to change politics in the future if you're going to people going to be forced to just be human and and that's the thing and grow and be a real person because that speech type style of delivery where they're not real you know that they do well you know ladies and gentlemen the president president of the United States,

my fellow Americans, today is a day that will live in infamy. There's a bunch of speech writers that have this template, and they want to put that template on the list. But it's also, like, the tone, the way they speak, it's all fake. And I always wonder, like, are we going to come to a point in time where a guy gets on stage or a woman gets on stage as the president and? Speaks like a human and says Here's our situation. This is where we're at. We have we have a real problem with Syria

You know we have that what you gonna run for president with Kanye West I think Kanye you could fuck Kanye up in debates. Well for sure you'd run train Kanye. You could fuck Kanye up in debates. Well, for sure. You would run trains on that dude in debates. A train. A train.

He would try to talk over you. It has a connotation that I would be with other guys. You'd be like, I think I gave you your time, sir. That would be awesome. I'm not Taylor Swift. That would be awesome. You know, I think, I don't know, I feel like, you know, we take a lot for granted from old ideas, you know? And like, it's like, it goes back to Pauly Shore going, nobody knows how to do it.

There's no path. You make your own path right that's the thing because paulie came from stand up and there's absolutely no path in stand up like no one because at least like with acting you're going in for a role why don't you i'm gonna go into some open mics let's do it but i think the same thing i want to do it again oh really yeah he's down he wants to do it again cool you know i had eddie do it like he probably did like remember he said those days like eight times yeah yeah what did he say well he was like you know the he's like i had this joke that i thought was just awesome and it just it was about hookers and it just didn't come out you know you know the one and uh anyway but you know you look at all these all these old ideas that people have and even like

this this whole stigma of like well we have low attention span we're looking at wherever my phone is we're looking at our phones all the time or this and that but you know you look at that and you go okay if i were a corporate media thing and i wanted to put out a fucking new entertainment thing and it's going to be anywhere from an hour to three hours long and it's just going to be guys talking any corporation would be like that's's never gonna catch on we need sound bites We need MTV news like we need fuck and you look at podcasts and you look at what they are and people are fucking more Invested in that because it's real because there's authentic voices to it Well, you know

That was one of the number one things that people said to me when I first started out like you can't do three hour Podcast right and I, why not? And they said, well, because no one's going to listen to three hours. I go, well, they don't have to. You could just shut it off. Like, I don't get it. Ari and me had, like, an argument about it. As long as we're just having fun, who gives a fuck? Ari was, like, adamant about it.

You have to edit your podcast. I'm just telling you right now. You have to edit your podcast. I go, why? He goes, because it's too long. I go, well, so what? What does that mean? Why do I have to edit it? And also go, why? He goes, because it's too long. I go, well, so what? What does that mean? Yeah. Why do I have to edit it? And also, more importantly, is that a road that you've walked? You have experience with yours being too long? Well, everybody was comparing it to a show.

But nobody had any experience at all. But they thought about it like a Comedy Central show, like an hour-long show. Which then speaks to the thing about old stuff, old ideas. You've got to put away your old ideas if you want to be on the tip of the spear. Well, also, don't you think, I mean, my point of view was like you and I, long before we ever did podcasts, we always had these conversations, you know, before a show or after a show or hanging out, we would talk for fucking hours, hours and hours. And it seemed to me like a half hour into the conversation or 45 minutes, shit just

started getting cooking. Yeah. You know, and then, you know, an hour know an hour in later like yeah yeah yeah yeah and the blah blah and then the stories come out I remember this one time and those are the fun conversations you get to know each other and then and then you make that into an audience and then fuck then they get to know you and then there's not like you know there's not all this uh these barriers between us all we're all we all see our similarities and there's less dissension there's not all this These barriers between us all we're all we all see our similarities, and there's less dissension. There's less animosity. There's more understanding

There's more graciousness and generosity and like if we could get that way with everybody if everybody like felt that way instead of this corporate Dominion like here's what CNN says that we need this to be you have direct feedback from other people about what you're doing You have direct feedback from other people about what you're doing right that feedback has been super valuable to me man Even the negative stuff the negative stuff like you don't nobody likes to hear criticisms about what they do But if you consider it and find war is there any truth in that you could find out a lot about your style of you Just interviewing people or talking to people where you make mistakes and you're not no one's perfect You're not gonna make mistake. I mean you're going to have a podcast that every word comes out perfect it's just not possible because you're you're free when you do your ads yeah how much do you stumble on all the time and it doesn't fucking matter well if but if somebody were directing you yeah they would say

do it again we're gonna do it again you don't have i mean sometimes i have to do it again. We're going to do it again. You don't have to. I mean, sometimes I have to do it again. Sure. But the reality is that this medium is new, and no one had it before, and this medium is like they gave these kids the controls. Like they gave these kids the ability to broadcast a radio show, and then they just did it their way. Right. And then they go, well, why don't I just start talking? Let's just see what happens if we don't have commercials in the middle that becomes the thing is like as long as you're

having fun yeah as the person involved in it who gives a fuck yeah it doesn't it doesn't matter what the result is in a way it's like it's kind of like it's like a fight or a comedy sketch or when you go up and you try a joke it's like there's not a and you're trying to figure it out and do it the best you can in real time right in real time with no script and no. It's like, there's not a, and you're trying to figure it out and do it the best you can in real time. Right. In real time with no script and no, but that's like being in competition. It's like in competition is where greatness happens. People figure shit out in a crazy way inside of that kind of pressure.

Right. And so if you step on stage, you've got an increased amount. It's not like you're in your living room in front of your mirror, trying to say a fucking joke. Right. It means something different. So you grow more in that competition. The mean more the moments mean more all of that stuff

and you don't get that if you're not willing to throw it out and expose yourself live and that's like putting this live on the internet like that's a huge exposure and either you're an authentic person that's got something or you don't and it becomes like i think it's super visible and i think it's super important that we all get to that instead of all these masks that we wear all the time. You know, it's like, I don't, and to me, it doesn't matter if you're like, it's like, it's like, it's like Ari saying that I'm sure you feel, I know he feels differently. He laughs about it now.

But like, if you're, so does that mean that you don't have a conversation that's more than 15 minutes with your friend? Well, it's not even a 15 minute thing. It's just like, he thought it had to be like an hour because a show is an hour but not a real hour 42 minutes because we gotta have time for commercials yeah there's that too well they also most people do the commercials in the middle of shit too yeah you know and i was like man i tried what you ever you watch that show uh there's a new fear the walking dead it's the new walking no i've seen an ad for dope really it's dope it's so good i thought the walking dead the new walk. No, I've seen an ad for hope really dope

It's so good I thought the walking dead was gonna be shit and I watched it and I was like Then I watched like six or ten episodes and I was like, this is stupid. It's the same episode over again Then I watched another 20 episodes. I just couldn't stop watching it Well, you know what fear the walking dead is interesting because it's less special effects Right less zombies and it's better and the fucking the way it's shot it's shot so well whoever the director is and whoever the cinematographer is or the camera they're bad motherfuckers because they they they it's done

so well it's done like a really good movie that's cool and there's not there's very few cut the shit moments in it it's really good man dude this new show that's coming out is uh westworld this hbo show with anthony hopkins is that like like the old movie with yul brenner yeah same shit ed harris and anthony see that's hbo what i was gonna say is i'd watch that show the other day for the first time um i usually watch it on uh i uh apple tv whatever it is apple tv yeah the other night i watched it on tv TV and I sat through the fucking commercials. I can't do that shit. God. I can't do commercials.

It's ruthless. I mean, and that's the thing is TV is going away. It's all going to go just digitized. But why can't they have, like who the fuck is paying for all those commercials, right? Why don't they have, make a big deal out of it. Say fucking Ram Trucks. Ram Trucks is going to sponsor the whole fucking episode.

Yes. Okay, we're going to sponsor the whole fucking episode. Yes. We're going to have one commercial in the beginning. Ram Trucks is proud to present Fear of the Walking Dead. Just do it as a goddamn test. And make them dope. Make a dope commercial. Make everyone the Super Bowl commercial. How about make one where a guy in a fucking Ram Truck is running over zombies.

Yeah. And they're crushing their heads and fucking headed off into the distance. See, this is the thing I had while I was driving. It's old ideas. We need to start a production company. That's what I'm saying What else do we need to do? We need to do something else? Oh, we need to make a little 15-minute kids commercials I guess we're gonna need that too. Yeah kids kids short films. Yeah, we need a ranch in New Mexico New Mexico Is that the spot? It's a good spot. But Colorado is good, too. I mean, that's...

Colorado's pretty beautiful. And nice and game rich and not all fucked up with pollution yet. And weed's free and legal there. And weed's free and legal if that's your thing, you know? That's my thing. I like free and legal no matter what. I don't have any use for weed and I love it free and legal. Yeah.

I would like it if everything was free and legal. We need less laws. We legal yeah we need less laws we do we need less laws less people enforcing those laws and more common sense more common sense more freedom more allowing people to do whatever the fuck they want as long as it doesn't hurt people and then put restrictions on shit that does hurt people that's in place right that's not in place right now like financial shit like how about the fact that none of those guys that caused the financial crash of 2008 are in jail so how about that how about that that's like the whole thing about being accountable yeah like i don't hang out with like if you weren't accountable

for your actions or responsible i want to fucking hang out with you it's it's like it's the kind of thing and it's like why would i accept less from my politicians or from anybody that is not going to be accountable. It's like everybody's got to be held accountable. And that's the way good shit works. If I start a business... That's the way you improve. If I start fucking Nuevo Cerveza and it's a shit product

or we don't do due diligence in marketing or whatever the fucking thing is and it fails, nobody's fucking bailing me out and I could put all my money into that and go broke. That could be the thing. But GM, they have a failing business model and we're gonna go ahead and write them a check for a trillion like what what the fuck is that oh you mean like the bail house all that shit it's like that doesn't make any sense all that too big to fail shit shit shouldn't be too big to fail

they did pay back all those loans though and they are profitable now and they have improved and made incredible vehicles now so i see your point in some ways let shit die yeah but god damn it then they'd have no 2016 corvette and that thing's pretty sick who needs a corvette if you drive a corvette you are a douche fucking nozzle you don't have a corvette stop it that's not a real corvette that's a that's an old school corvette it's not like one of these that's brand new off the lot. Oh, here's my 1987 Corvette. Like, stop all that. 87?

1987? You know what I mean? That's the dark years. They're all dark years after fucking 19, what, 72? Yeah, until about 2013, 2014. Well, the newer ones are pretty dope, dude. You can't ever. Your boy with the Lamborghini, I'd take a Corvette over a Lamborghini.

No way. Yes, sir. You know why I wouldn't? Why? Resale, and then I would buy a truck. How about. And a house. How about America?

Keep America strong. Keep America strong. You know what the best thing about Keep America Strong is? What did they pull the NASA space shuttle with? What did they pull? Toyota Tundra. Ohra oh no they didn't that's awful 100 awesome good good truck though i'm like how did that get through toyotas are good trucks you have a coil yeah that's my it's my favorite that takoma they

don't break they don't ever break yeah they're coming out with a diesel too i heard well that's why everybody fell in love with those land cruisers you know that's what they used to say in africa if you want to get into the bush you bring a range rover you want to get out you bring a land cruiser that's and that's why i love that dude john because he's like all about making it last forever instead of all these like i would love to have a mercedes or bmw or something like now that i'm able to it'd be great except that i'm not i just can't fucking buy something that's going to crap out in 60,000 miles. They all have an expiration date where there's like, now there's real problems forever with the rest, you know?

And I don't, I don't, it doesn't need to be that way. I don't want to support that kind of culture. That's rape culture to me. How dare you? Yeah. That's why I like those Lexus trucks. Those, that's, I got that Lexus. Yeah.

I like Infinities. Those are dope. And they last forever too. They are not as good. They look good. I've had that. They're handsome looking. And I've had the Lexus The Lexus is a better truck

I had a Lexus Not better looking And then I got an Infiniti And then I got Have you seen my new one? I haven't seen it It's dope Is it outside?

Yeah, I'll show you They make awesome trucks, man They make awesome trucks They also The Lexus trucks They're actual real four-wheel drive trucks It's based off the Land Cruiser platform So they raise up

They have locking differentials Like if the shit hits the fan you could actually go off-roading with a Land Cruiser You don't go off-roading with a Lexus LX 570. It's the same car It's the same as a Land Cruiser But there's a lot of electronic shit that the old ones didn't have the old ones that what people liked about them is you could Just drive those motherfuckers through the desert take take them over a mountain. They're so durable. And Jonathan Ward, what he does to them makes them way more durable. He puts polyurea coating over the entire floor of the car.

That shit is never rusting through, ever. He puts these rock sliders on the side of them that also act as side impact beams. Somebody hits you from the side. He puts solid steel bumpers on him American-made bumpers He's giant fucking bumpers with a winch a worn winch to fucking pull you up eight thousand pound winch to pull you out of fucking trouble Yeah, he's got a Jerry these jerry cans in the back that carry water. Okay, like these he puts these roof racks on what we need with a ramp on the front so that they don't rattle at speed when you're on the highway. It's so genius what he's doing.

The Freedom Ranch. Let's call it the Freedom Ranch. Yes. Somebody probably already took that in Texas. And you know what we do? We call in Tim Kennedy to be our engineer for how to do the security perimeter and what all we need in there exactly to survive. He'd get bored. Well, he wouldn't stay for sure.

He'd be like, I'll come visit you guys now and again. I need adventure. He would have to fucking go off and do something else. He's like, let's go shoot pigs with a helicopter. That's the big thing. I'm like, let's fucking do that. He's crazy. That's my next trip to Austin.

To go do that? Yeah. Well, that's the thing about Texas. If we want to have a ranch in Texas, they already exist and they have game ranches. And you can shoot all the pigs you want. Well, not just pigs. They bring in all these African animals and so there's

no regulations on them. It was one of these high fence ranches and they had a lot of that exotic game in there. You know, you want to jump over an airplane jump out of an airplane you know the dude from uh that mtv show just died doing that i don't know who he is but my friend andy stump he uh he does he does he does wingsuit oh him and so he was a seal team six guy

him and that right and he's he's wild you gotta have him on your show would you wingsuit it i wouldn't wingsuit like you gotta know some shit I have never jumped out of an aircraft But he used to teach he taught my cousin who he went through buds with Andy and was and he was an instructor He lives in San Diego bring him up and I will him together. I will and does he drink I'm sure yeah, I know he drinks. Yeah, maybe he will enjoy some Nuevo Cerveza live from New Mexico. He does this shit to do the Navy SEAL Foundation, and so all the monies go to that. He's trying to break four records in a single jump.

Yeah, they would love that. I'll just give them money. I don't want to jump on any helicopters. Oh, I do. I'm going to jump on a plane with them. You know what's really thrilling? Bow hunting. Good enough. That's good plane with them. You know what's really thrilling? Bow hunting. Good enough.

That's good, too. But you know what, dude? So another friend of mine, he's this Army Ranger, and he's fucking, he's retired. He's gone from that. It's weird. Retired, and he's 26 or something. But he started fucking around with a bow when he got done. He doesn't talk to anybody.

He's a real soloist, kind of likes to go sit in the woods by himself. And he started messing around with bows. And I go, oh, you shoot a compound bow or what do you shoot? And he goes, no, he makes his own, of course. So he went to recurve first, and then he started making his own. And I go, why is that? He goes, well, because the other one's shooting a rifle. He's like, it's just there's nothing.

He says this. So he's like, oh, wants to be on horseback and shoot it like he's a fucking trip and deadly those guys are a trip that's some different level shit when you talk to those guys that are special operators like that like i'm listening to andy and andy's talking he's like he's talking about like oh there's a swat team guy with us and he and he's like talking about his mp5 and he's like why do you have that and he's like i mean that's a fucking useless weapon. I hit a guy eight times in the chest with that across the room

and he walked into the other room. I mean, he laid down there, but it's like, he fucking, he's like, well, I just use it for sport, for target practice. He's like, oh, well, that's okay then. He's like, you really want to get it? He's like, just right,

just under the eyes and above the teeth, you want to get in that area. I'm like, holy fuck. When anybody says above the teeth, you're talking about shooting a person. Above the teeth. Oh, God. He's amazing. And you're like, this is one of the kindest, friendliest guys. And then you hear him, and you're like, holy fuck.

Some of the nicest people I know were special operators. Some of the nicest people I know. I talked to him, and you're like, holy fuck. Some of the nicest people I know were special operators. Some of the nicest people I know. I talked to him, too. I'm like, how come there's, he gave me a real insight into that about how come there's not more, like, withdrawal from war from guys that are special operators than regular guys. It's like everybody that has PTSD, like, there's a ton of it. And he goes, yeah, there's not a lot in our community. And I go, why is that? like there's a ton of it um and he goes yeah there's not a lot in our community and i go why why is that he goes well because if you're a regular guy on the ground infantry guy you're

you you can't engage you have to be reactive you have to be fired upon or whatever there's rules of engagement and he goes for us we're predators and we're going out to engage and so it's a different mindset you're you're in a place of either being defensive or offensive and and if you're defensive you're prey in a way and you get to be reactive to that but he's like we're out hunting and he's like also by the time you get to that level you're very dialed in about who you are and what you're doing which i thought was super interesting it does make sense he's like it's very like because he talked to tim too and tim's like like that shit's not present to him at all he's like yeah no i'm yeah well when he was on the podcast we were talking about it he's like you know we're talking about people that are throwing acid on girls that were going to school he's like yeah I kill those

guys yeah yeah and and when you say it like that I'm right there with you yep if I was there I get it I get it 100 and that's the that's the type of guys you want fuck yes but there's not a lot of those guys out there. There's a reason why it's so fucking hard to become a Navy SEAL. There's a reason why it's so hard to be a Ranger. That is not easy. No, that's the kind of shit like Marcus Luttrell talks about. He goes, you've got to be, you know, if you get through,

you've got to be willing to die, you know. You know, my cousin, he just got, he was was in seal team two and he got in a gun fight and then he got shot up and he's recovered now and i think he just screened for seal team six and it's a year after his injury but um two of his friends died and uh in the pool and they're in they're in training yeah and there's i mean it's completely controlled environment and i was like what the fuck is that well you know what a lot of that is? My friend Eric Crisp said when he was going through it, they make you drown. Right, right.

And resuscitate you. That's part of the training. That's like the beginning of BUDS for everybody. But these guys are already active duty combat SEALs. And I started, what the? And then like a few weeks ago, it dawned on me. And I think about like, you know, everybody's got safety and comfort. Like here's where we live right and then like greg jackson always say you need to be comfortable

where other men are uncomfortable like you need to raise your breaking point to where it's unreachable for them and and you can smash theirs right and and like so there's so there's safety and comfort and then there's death over here and so if you're pushing it in like a combat arena like for me it's a certain thing but then you get more and more it becomes opaque where death and your discomfort is and those guys are so used to being uncomfortable and in the worst situations possible that they probably can't see it so they're underwater in a pool and they're doing whatever they're doing and they drown it's just too late and they don't you know you know i think it's something like that probably where they're so fucking tough those guys that they erase all their uh their warning flags whatever our body puts up is like warning like you need to stop

this now or you're in danger i think that it just goes away for those guys they that shit doesn't exist for them anymore there's levels with people man levels levels there's levels of of competency there's levels of excellence and there's levels of toughness yeah and then there's there's people that put themselves into situations you go you know what man this is like to the average person you would go this is just not a smart place to be but to them it's it's home like that's that's where they're at there that's where they live yeah you're like this is very uncomfortable for me i don't like this and they're just feet are kicked up on the couch they're like this is great my friend cameron haynes sent me a text last night do you follow that guy he's awesome fucking what a life he's stud love that guy he's in colorado right now

bow hunting he bow hunts constantly what i love about that hold on he was bow hunting uh two weeks ago with his friend roy who he who got him into hunting um this guy from uh oregon who's his best friend got him into hunting this guy's from Oregon, who's his best friend, got him into hunting. This guy's a guide up in Alaska, and they got a moose. Really difficult hunt. They're in the middle of the fucking snowstorm,

and it was six inches of snow. They're trudging through. They had to find these moose, and they finally got one, and it was like this big triumphant moment for them. He sent me a text yesterday that Roy died yesterday. Fell off of a cliff while sheep hunting, 700-foot drop, and died.

And this is a guy that he was just with. And this is one of his best friends, if not his best friend. And he died the day before yesterday. Fell 700 feet. And this is that. That's what we're talking about. It's like they're always that close to that. I mean, especially when you're sheep hunting, these rocky, steep, steep, steep. Yeah.

Loose gravel. Loose gravel. And Cameron was supposed to be sheep hunting with him on that trip, but they had to call it off because the snow was too dangerous. It was so much snow that it snowed for 10 days straight. They couldn't get to these mountain areas. And if there's snow also, and you're trying to climb climb up these mountains you don't know what the fuck you're stepping on you're stepping on some loose rock underneath that snow or a curvasse that is like just snow that's capped that's coming and you go right through right through and then you're

fucked yeah yeah and uh he fell 700 feet to his death crazy yeah that's how how did how did cameron turn the corner to where he was able to monetize his life to live it's only recently he's been doing it forever and cool he's been doing it forever he just hustles man oh really it's a full-time job he works for the department of water and power in oregon wow works all day nine hours and he gets home he fucking runs he lifts savage man he's it he's just tough as shit man guy does ultra marathons energetic as anything Works all day. Nine hours and then he gets home. He fucking runs. He lifts. Savage, man. He's just tough as shit, man. Guy does ultra marathons. Energetic as anything.

Well, he's just tough. Mental toughness. Yeah. That's like the main strength that guy has. Incredible mental toughness. He's like a Diaz brother. In a lot of ways with the endurance aspect of it. Yeah. That kind of thing.

Just gritty determination. Just hard work, man. Guy just works hard. It's cool works hard it's cool too because he's not in uh it's you know like if you're a fighter or you're a football player you're in the army or something that gets directed in a way for you but like that's a real soloist thing that he does and there's a lot of guys that hunt but there's not a lot of guys that are like that guy who's like i'm gonna go ahead and strap fucking a bunch of plates on my back and run up the mountain this morning or yeah there's not a lot of guys that train to hunt like he trains to be an apex predator well when you hunt with him you

realize like he and i were hunting colorado a couple weeks ago and we went up this hill and this fucking dude runs hill so often i'm in pretty good shape i'm following behind him i'm fucking huffing yeah i mean we're we're i mean i'm trying to keep up with him but i'm breathing heavy i got to the top with him i I'm like, he's not even breathing. Right. I mean, he's not even fucking breathing. I mean, he's fine. Yeah.

He's like, he could have a conversation with you. Right. Whereas I'm like, man, that's fucking steep. Steep hill. I'm like, this is the difference between a guy who runs hills and a guy who doesn't. It's different. He prepares for that specific environment. Constantly running hills, constantly lifting weights, all that.

And people criticize him. You don't need to do that stuff. You don't need to do that stuff because they don't want to do it, and they don't like that someone is doing it. Right. But that fucking guy kills several bull elk every year, kills moose. Every time he goes out, he's killing something, and that's all he eats. He eats high-protein organic meat constantly, and he's inspirational. That's what I love about him, man.

That guy, I've run into so many people that are inspired by that guy, and he forces them by just watching him. It forces them to get off their ass and go do stuff and go lift weights, go work out. I mean, a guy like that, you're going, if I do 15% of what he does, I'm winning. And he works all day. You know? That guy works 40 hours works for you I thought for sure that was his full-time shit Yeah, he makes way more from bow hunting that he does from his work crazy, but he keeps the job He doesn't want to anymore get a pension or something at the end all that shit He's got kids and insurance and all that shit. That is a ton kids too. Mm-hmm. Yeah wife kids whole deal. Yeah

Speaking of which I gotta get the fuck out of here, Tate Fletcher. We got to do these more often, dude. Yeah, I know. Why don't we do this? I don't know. This was fun. Yeah, I love it, man. Tate motherfucking Fletcher on Instagram.

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