The Joe Rogan Experience - #715 - Remi Warren

Episode Date: October 29, 2015

Remi Warren is a hunter, adventurer, and videographer. His show "Apex Predator" is on the Outdoor Channel and available at http://apexpredator.tv

We're live. Remy Warren. What's up, buddy? Hey, how's it going? Before we get started, let me just say this shirt that I'm wearing, Hunt2Eat shirt, is my friend Janusz Putelec's shirt. And you can get one. You can get a 15% discount if you go to Hunt2Eat.com and use the discount code ROGAN. There you go. Yeah. They gave me a discount code to use? No, they gave you a free one. Well, no well no i know but they gave me one to put on something and i did and they accidentally did it wrong and the shirts were two dollars a piece so jump on now and you might get a screaming deal yeah what was the discount they fucked they said it like 20 off is like 20 off a 22 shirt oh that had to hurt yeah that had to hurt

like oh shit so we were just talking about Before we got the podcast started That you do yoga when you're not on the road When you're not guiding That's my workout of choice I feel like if I'm going to work out It's a good stretch Keeps me limber

Plus you're surrounded by hot chicks that are sweating It's not a bad deal See I'm going to the wrong class My class' housewives are just trying to's not a bad deal. See, I'm going to the wrong class. My class's housewives are just trying to barely keep it together. Oh, no, not where I go. Yeah, it's probably better where I go. Except there's always that one dude with the lower back tattoo, and he has it right in front of me, and I'm just thinking, damn it.

Isn't it weird? Like, for a guy, a lower back tattoo is a real no-no. Yeah. I wonder, but maybe he got it before it was a no-no. Is that possible? When did that happen? Like five minutes. Right when it came.

Right when it came. He was like in line and then he got it and then he walked out and they were like. Damn it. Yeah. There's certain spots. It's weird, right? There's like certain spots where It's weird, right? There's like certain spots where like you can tattoo your arms, but if you get up into your neck, people go, hmm.

Yeah, rough childhood. Yeah. As soon as you get to your face, everybody goes, oh, Jesus, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, there's certain zones that are okay. Yeah. Like hands. You start doing your hands, you're very hardcore yeah but the lower back is okay if it's incorporated into everything else on your body it has to be like one of those

japanese yakuza style bodysuit things yeah it has to and you have to work out everything else before you get to the lower back can't start with the lower back it's like a blank space yeah but it's weird though like what the tramp like, how did that happen? Like, why was it, is it just because of that's what you look at when you're having sex doggy style? Like, you look at that spot? I mean, what is it? I haven't. I don't get it.

I think it was so you could see it, like, the low rider pants and the crop top shirt. Oh, right. Maybe, you know, or the belly shirt. That's another thing. And you're like, oh, hey. She's a hoe she makes mistakes she's impulsive yeah that's another thing dudes are not allowed to do you can have no shirt on but you can't have a half shirt no you know or half or or like you can have shorts or long pants but capris what's the capris oh those are up to the knees that's so true that's

so true you can't have those you can't have those that's a no-go that's a definite no-go how's that's weird like the no the no shirt's okay like if you're at the beach and you have no shirt but if you have like a jog bra type setup that's not happening baby you can't do it well you'd have to custom make it and then that's just awkward in itself. Right. Like, why did you cut the bottom of your shirt off? You can cut the sleeves off. I like my belly to be free, bro. I like it to be free. Yeah, we have weird choices

when it comes to that. Like, dude, I fucking still to this day take more shit for wearing a fanny pack. I wear one all the time. The first thing I noticed was that fanny pack. I was like, leather fanny pack? That's next level shit. That's pretty good. Fucking strong. I learned about it from Dice Clay.

Dice Clay was in here, and he had this very strong fanny pack. Oh, what is this you're showing us here? That's real? It says Kid Cudi wore a crop top to Coachella. No, he didn't. This isn't Kid Cudi, though. He didn't really? I don't know.

Did Kid Cudi wear that? He was in the podcast. He didn't seem gay. Well, there he is. Look at that. It's hot out there, though. What the fuck ever. Take your shirt off, son.

There's rules. There's rules in this life. Well, I guess maybe if you got nice abs. Yeah, that's no good. That back one up there, that one that we were just showing. See, this one, for folks listening, this is fucking completely ridiculous. Because it's a sweatshirt, like a big puffy sweatshirt, but it's been cut at the midriff,

like right where the lower rib is. That's where it's cut. I just, I don't think I'll ever get into that fashion. Yeah. Yeah, that's, there's someone saying something. I don't know what he's saying, but I don't want to hear it. Whatever that guy's saying.

It's weird. It's weird rules. You know, when I've gone hunting, people have given me shit for having two different kinds of clothes. Like, you have a Kuyu shirt on and Sitka pants. Okay, I'm the... I've always, my whole life, been the opposite of that. I would just mix and match.

Good for you. So I'm not wearing, like, the... I hate wearing... I call it, like, the pajamas. Yeah match so for you so i'm not wearing like the i hate wearing i call it like the pajamas yeah like you look like you're wearing a onesie like i'll use the same company maybe but a couple different shades yeah yeah top and bottom well the hunting thing is a bit of a fashion thing you know it is like there's there's it's weird because it's like one of the few times where men will comment on each other's fashion yeah, you know like men men don't go. Hey man. Those are nice blue jeans, bro I like the cut who's making those like you're staring at my dick something's going on Well, it's like it's acceptable to for men to wear a $500 pair of pants when they're hunting pants. Yeah, what is that?

Right, but it's it just like there's a fashionista thing going on Yeah, You know? And I think a lot of the camouflage isn't even for animals' eyesight. It's for humans. It's totally for humans. A lot of the stuff. I mean, they've done so many studies on camouflage. I actually did this thing for Apex. We were looking into camouflage.

And it's just crazy. It's one of those things like we have a lot to learn about camouflage well what can they see what can they say what can animals see well they vary right like some animals have really shitty eyesight yeah like pigs have shitty eyesight yeah but so like the way camouflage works is there there's like matching where you're kind of just matching the environment maybe one shade of like like, sand-colored bottom. And then there's, like, modeled, where it's splotches, rock-type shape. And then there's disruptive, where it essentially breaks up the outline of whatever it is

so it doesn't look like what it is. And disruptive, I think, in my opinion, is probably the most effective camouflage when you, like, start to really analyze it. Is disruptive, like, first light analyze it is that just disruptive like first light has this kind that's like dark stripe light stripe and it doesn't look yeah yeah and so sometimes you like it's like you look at it and doesn't really look like if it doesn't if camouflage doesn't look like anything then that's the best i would say really so so is the idea that it breaks up the shape of a human like you know Okay. So that's what fucks with the animals.

Yeah, exactly. They see the shape of a human and go, oh, that's death. I did this thing. A friend of mine is an army sniper, and so for this Apex episode, made a ghillie suit. Oh. Crazy. Like, it was cool. Like, a legit one.

Not one of those, like, goofy, look like the swamp. You still look like the swamp thing. But you would just, like, veg up and match your exact surroundings. Oh. And I'm not kidding you. We took a picture where he was, like, standing there. And three, four feet away, you just disappear. Do you have the picture?

If you have it, email it to Jamie if you have it. I'll find it. And put it up on the screen. Yeah, I'll find it. See if you can. Yeah. They say that turkeys have, like, really, really good eyesight, right? Yeah.

Like, I wore, like, a mask, a ghillie suit mask, like a shitty one. Yeah. You know, when we went turkey hunting. But it was, you know, I'd just see out with a slit. But it was cool. It was cool to wear it. I felt like I was really hiding. Yeah.

I'm invisible. Yeah. But they can't see, like, you know, like you have, like, those real tree camo prints that look just like leaves. Like, deers can't see that, right? No, I think, you know, I mean, in my opinion, it just turns to black once you get it to a certain distance. So some camouflage is just really, like, based on how far away from your prey you might be. is just really like based on how far away from your prey you might be because like that kind of stuff you know it's made for a tree stand and it looks cool and you're up in the tree in there you could probably wear a blaze orange pumpkin suit and they wouldn't see you anyways right

you're so high up yeah but uh yeah i mean and then you get out of distance and it just looks black or dark so it doesn't really i wouldn't think it would be effective for, like, what I do out west or in the mountains, things like that. Yeah, there's a bunch of weird things that I'm starting to notice because, obviously, I haven't been hunting for that long. There's a bunch of weird fetishes. The clothes fetish is one of them. There's a boot fetish for sure. Oh, yeah. The questions I get asked, it's, like, always here.

Pull on up to this microphone so you can. Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. These things are super directional. Yep. Is that better? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The questions I get asked, it's like always gear. Pull on up to this microphone. Oh, yeah. Sorry about that. These things are super directional. Yep. Is that better? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just leaning. Leaning like a cholo or something.

Yeah, the things I get asked the most, boots and camo patterns. Yeah. That's it. Well, people get into it. You know, they think about it before they're doing it. And so it becomes something like they want to look the part. It's like guys want to wear Nike sneakers and the right shorts when they go play pickup basketball. It's kind of the same thing.

I always get rifle hunters, like, come out on elk hunts and they're like, will this camouflage match where we're hunting? And my answer is, you have a rifle. Like, if they see the shirt underneath your jacket you're already screwed so we don't necessarily need to worry about it but i mean that being said i do wear camouflage meaning for people don't understand what we're saying when you rifle hunt you're really far away whereas if you're bow hunting an elk you would be probably you'd like to be within 50 yards yeah exactly what's like the longest shot you've ever taken on elk with a archery oh probably wouldn't be an elk it'd be a deer um about 80 yards but that's a long ways that's not typical like everything was perfect you know yeah that's a tricky thing right with

archery learning when when you can pull something like that off yeah exactly because the thing is you know i think a lot of people to like a of hunters, they've got like this debate on what's ethical for distance and other things. I think it just depends on the situation because there's – I've taken a few animals at what I would consider like the edge of ethical range. But yet I've never lost one. But the only animal that I've ever not recovered was like 30 yards you know so anything can go wrong at any distance it's just i think it's one of those things because i think when you take a further shot you know you're banking on you're you're paying maybe more attention to all the exact things and not just getting like oh it's close

it's gonna happen is that one of the biggest issues that you have? Because I know you take out really new hunters sometimes. Yeah. One of the bigger issues must be having them make a correct shot. Yeah, that's the hard part because I think if you're a new hunter, you may not expect the reactions that you're going to have in the moment. You can shoot at the range all you want. You can do all this other stuff, but you can't factor in that emotion of when you're about to take an animal's life. And that's,

that's something you can't practice, you know? It's just that. And so, yeah. So that part of like, I, if I'm with someone,

I try to keep them calm and just, cause if you're, if somebody that's with you is just like, oh, my God, hurry up. Shoot. Yeah. Then you're going to be panicked and you're going to just not make a good shot. Whereas if the person is like, okay, take your time, like just real calm and mellow. Do you know of anybody that's ever used beta blockers?

Beta blockers. Yeah. Beta blockers are something that performers use. I've never experimented with them, but I recently got a prescription because I just want to see what the deal is. I'm trying to figure out when would be a good time to try it. I would think like archery elk would be like the perfect time to try it because your heart rate is just jacked. Your adrenaline is flying. Your nerves are crackling.

Like I think archery, elk hunting, probably the most nervous I've ever been next to like martial arts competition, like right up there at the edge of, like martial arts competition is like, it gets to this point where people go into shock. Like just, it's just, you see it even in the where people go into shock like just it's just you see it even in the ufc sometimes you see like guys just can't perform right they just

they're overwhelmed by by the uh the moment the the the nerves the adrenaline dump the whole thing they just and the guys who are just heroes in the gym they get on those bright lights they can't do it i think archery elk hunting is probably the closest you can get to martial arts competition that I've experienced. And I was wondering, like, man, I bet if you took a beta blocker, that would probably alleviate a lot of that. It could. Does it last for a long period of time? Because you never know when it's like when you take it in the morning and you're just kind of like. Well, it doesn't mellow you out.

Oh, okay. Yeah. When you take it in the morning and you're just kind of like. Well, it doesn't mellow you out. Oh, okay. Apparently what it does is it blocks the reaction. I should have like Mark Gordon explain it to me. Dr. Gordon, who's a buddy of mine, has been on this podcast a bunch of times, who told me about it. But like I watched this television show and it was on nerves and on reactions to stress and pressure.

And they had these concert performers, like classical music performers. And they talked about how difficult it is to perform in front of live audiences. And then they discovered beta blockers. And then the guy was saying, like, it just changed my life. He said, now I take a beta blocker and I can perform easily the way I perform in the studio when we're practicing in front of thousands of people. It's no problem at all. Yeah, I've noticed that excitement level just clouds your thinking too. And that's what in hunting you don't anticipate because all of a sudden you're now doing things with clouded judgment.

And I guarantee like animals can feel that tension. I don't know what it is or what they're feeling. But if you are just out there observing an animal or don't really care, don't get that excited. It's almost like some people will go, like right before I was going to shoot, it ran off. You know, it's because that just like as that excitement level grows and you freak out. I feel like they sense that energy. They've got a different way of feeling their environment. I mean, fish especially do that.

They can feel, like when I was spearfishing and you dive down, you would consciously try to lower your heart rate and the fish would swim towards you. Really? Because you're freaked out, the fish will not come near you or they'll even swim away. So you go down there and you just have to like essentially zen out and then the fish swim up to you. And then you jack them. Yep. You know, like sushi. I wonder.

I mean, we just assume that animals have all the same sets of skills or the same sets of senses that we do. But fish have a bunch of weird things like that lateral line across their body, which detects movement. And they can get other things from that, right? What else? Well, it's essentially detecting vibrations in the water. Yeah, so it's anything from heart rates to fish swimming, other animals moving in the water. They can detect heart rates with that lateral line?

Wow. What that means for people who don't understand what I'm saying is if you go from a fish's gills and draw a straight line back to their tail, there's actually a line there. And that line is just all like nerve endings, right? Sensitive nerve endings that pick up things that we can't detect in the water. And also the sense of the smell. Can you imagine what a fucking elk sense of smell must be like oh Yeah, they probably can smell things that we don't even think smell like fear like they probably can smell that you probably start sweating Oh, yeah, oh fuck. Yeah. Yeah, yeah a lot of predators when they go into that final stock mode their heart rates slow down

Really? Yeah, oh that makes sense because like when you see a cat when a cat's about the bus to move they start moving And then they fucking done the mad mad dash. Yeah, it's like they're lulling their prey into a false sense of Contentment and security. They're cool to watch. We did a we did an apex episode and we Were like, let's explain what that means. You have a show called Apex Predator. It's a fucking great show. Yeah, thank you. And it's on Sportsman's channel. Outdoor channel.

Outdoor channel. Well, they're the same. They're owned by the same people, which is a fucking pain in the ass now, because that is removed from Viacom. Have they worked that shit out yet? I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure.

There was a website that you could go to. What was it? Keep My Outdoor TV or something like that, Jamie? I think that's for Verizon. Yeah, Verizon, I guess, what is it? FiberOptic, Fios. Fios, right. They pulled all of the hunting channels, and then, like, yeah, that's what it is.

So what is the KeepMyoutdoortv.com? You can go there, and it'll show you. Look, it's telling you to drop Verizon and switch providers today. I can't. Oh, is that so how do you, is that like a satellite thing, or what's it? Verizon is a fiber optic line, and I believe it's done like the Internet. It's Verizon Fios because they have Verizon fiber optic Internet service. And for whatever reason, I don't know what it was,

whether it's some sort of a deal that they couldn't make or whether they're actually trying to force out. That's what people are worried about, that they're forcing out hunting and fishing shows and they're just removing them because they they don't like it or they think it's distasteful or maybe someone at the very top is a uh animal rights person i don't know i don't know i really don't know yeah i'm not sure either but that would suck if you really enjoyed watching those shows, which I do, and all of a sudden Verizon says, oh, well, this isn't on, but hey, you can watch some fucking fake reality show on people that fake live in the woods on the Discovery Channel. Because that's what they're recommending. Really?

Yeah, when people are going to that, they're actually recommending these rigged shows, which, you know, some of them are fun, like Life Below Zero. But those are real events. Like, you watch that show. They don't have to fake anything, because those fucking people are really living 200 miles above the Arctic Circle. So instead, if they're like, you really liked Meat Eater, So instead, if they're like, you really liked Meat Eater, but instead you can watch Alaska Yukon Bear Country Gold Survival Pawn Shop. You just said that, but that's going to be a show now.

It is. Someone's listening going, give me a pen. Quick, write that down. Jeb has to go into the Yukon and find some gold while he shoots a moose for survival to sell in his dad's pawn shop. And at the end of the show, it's a cooking contest. They have a barbecue off. And Kanye West is making a guest appearance. Dude, I watched one of those barbecue shows.

I was hooked instantly. I was like, how the fuck am I going to get hooked by a barbecue show? Just a bunch of guys barbecuing I'm like this is gonna be boring. They're not gonna get me meanwhile. They got me I was there for the whole episode the next one It was one of those back-to-back deals where they showed like two or three episodes in a row I watched three of those fucking things three fucking shows where guys are trying to make the perfect brisket But there's no secrets given out. I'm sure oh you're like I you you're no better of a barbecuer

No, well, you know the best of a barbecuer right now. No. Well, you know what the best way to do it is? Pellet grills. That's one thing I realized. Really? Yeah. A lot of those big time barbecue competitions, they use pellet grills now.

Huh. Because pellet grills, if you don't know what I'm talking about, pellet grills use real hardwood, but say if you buy a table like this, they have to saw it. When they saw it, they take the sawdust. You ever use one? You ever use a pellet grill? No. I've got like a pellet stove.

Is it the same thing? No, it's like a fireplace, but it uses like compacted pellets. Yeah. Is that right? Real similar. Yeah. They use these, it looks like a little cylinder, little tiny cylinders that are compressed sawdust.

Okay. And the natural sugars in the wood is the only thing that keeps it together. Like if you take it with your fingers, you can break it up. And there's a hopper, like a big metal box, and underneath the hopper is a worm drive. And it spins, and it feeds it to an element. And the element, there's like a cup, and then there's an element. And the pellets drop into the cup, and the element is below the cup, so the element heats's like a cup and then there's an element and the the pellets drop

into the cup and the element is below the cup so the element heats it and starts a fire and it keeps it at a steady temperature like plus or minus one or two degrees it's really good and like a bucket a like the hopper which is filled like say like it looks like like maybe a five or ten ten gallon bucket yeah will last for days it's amazingly efficient. I have a Yoder, but they have Green Mountain Grills one I had too, which is really good, and they're fairly inexpensive. And you can barbecue on those things, slow cook, and that's what it looks like. See that hopper?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like a pellet stove or whatever. So you see how it works there with the worm drive? Worm drive feeds it into the fire and then it slowly cooks. That's cool. Oh, dude, it's amazing. So it's like cooking on wood, but you don't have to deal with wood. Exactly. It's all wood.

There's no chemicals whatsoever. And you get that smoky taste to the meat, too. It's really nice. I grill on it. I have a yoder that I really like because it has an option for direct heat where you crank it up and the fire gets really high. And then you put those grill grates down, like I remove this, this like heat diffusion plate. It's like, you know, for like slow cooking,

you take that out and then the fire goes right under the grill grates. It's amazing for steaks, for, for anything. That's awesome. Yeah. It yeah it's great yeah because i love cooking over wood and i've got except i've got like three cords of wood stacked down from the cabin oh do you yeah do you do wood rich do you do like like uh like smoking with like a real smoker like you have to feed the logs and make sure the temperature stays steady the smoker i do the you know glass, easy thermometer on it. Oh, yeah. Set it and forget it, George Foreman style. George Foreman style.

Do they have a George Foreman smoker? I don't know. They should. They will now. Yeah, I had one that I used that was like, what is that one company that makes a lot of smoking and hunting style stuff, and they make vacuum sealers yes weston yeah i had a weston smoker we had to add wood chips to it it was kind of it was fairly like self yeah that's the kind i use yeah you throw them in the bottom and turn it on that was okay but once i started

fucking around with that green mountain grill i gave up on that completely I'm like oh this is so much easier and it's just as good like like it wasn't like there was any benefit to doing it the other way but I think there is something about a real wood smoker like when I watch those barbecue competition yeah there's something about figuring out how much to open up that little door to make the air go in just enough to keep that temperature steady. And they're checking out. There's something that men do with fire. There's some weird thing.

Like if you're at a campfire and you're hanging around with a bunch of people, like a guy who can make a fire good, you're like, oh, he fucking nailed it. Look at that. Has a good fire. And you're like, oh, you fucking nailed it. Look at that. Has a good fire. And you're all sitting around. It's like there's something about men and fire that just goes right to your DNA. Oh, yeah. I always say, because I do a lot of hunting alone, and you might be in like a random –

I was in Africa one time just by myself, and it was – you hear these noises you've never heard before. And as soon as you get that fire going, it's just a comforting feeling. I think it's just like it's a primal thing that you know if you have a fire, you're going to survive through the night, whether it's cold or whatever. That fire is just our safety system. Most likely. And you see it and you're like, oh, I feel more comfortable. Yeah.

Yeah, it's good. Ranella, when he was here, he was here a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it's good. Ranella, when he was here, he was here a couple weeks ago, and as he was here, he got a text from his friend that they had just taken this kid out, like I think he was 18 years old, on his first hunt ever. While he's in a tent, he gets attacked by a 500-pound predatory black bear. He wakes up to this bear biting his head.

He's screaming. His friend rushes in, shoots the bear, but it goes through the bear and shatters his elbow. So he gets shot in the fucking elbow. The bear runs out of that tent into another tent where this other guy shoots it three times with a shotgun and then kills it. Wow. Where was this at? Alaska. First ever.

A black bear. Yeah. First ever hunt this kid's on and he wakes up, his head getting eaten by a 500 ever black bear yeah first ever hunt his kids on and he wakes up his head getting eaten by a 500 pound black bear that's a bad day that's a big fucking black bear too yeah that is you know you go you go you're like a man i hope i don't get bit by a spider tonight in your tent no no it's a bear this This camping stuff's pretty cool. We're out here in nature, getting one. Biting your fucking head. Owie.

That's got to suck. I guess his head was like near the door. I mean, that's the only thing I can think of. His head was like near the door, and he left the, get a little air in here. Yeah, left the vestibule open or whatever. You know what's dope? I've never used one, but I would love it. You ever seen those campers that they have on top of your roof?

Like a tent that opens? Do you have one of those? No, I've got my truck set up with the camper shell, and then I've got a shelf in there, and I've got it all set up for travel and staying. Do you use a Toyota Land Cruiser? Is that what you use? No.

In New Zealand, I use a Toyota, but here I've got a Ford F-150. And have you completely set it up just for hunting? And can you sleep in it? Yeah, I can sleep in the back, so when I'm on the road I've got the side open up. It's like a camper shell on it, and then the side lifts up

and I've got a shelf in there. Getting aggressive. Bears? Got a shelf in there. Getting aggressive. Bears. Got a shelf in there so I can kind of sleep underneath and keep stuff up top. And then I've got roof rack and the whole deal. Yeah, because when I first found out about you, it was from that show Solo Hunter. And you went on these cool adventures. I was like, wow, that must be fucking fun to do.

So much fun. Because you're doing these crazy hunts where you're backpacking out deep, deep, deep into the woods by yourself. And there's this real element of danger to doing that. Because if you fall, snap an ankle or something like that, like, man, there's no one to call. You got to get out of there on your own. No one's going to find you. Right. There's no one to call.

You got to get out of there on your own. No one's going to find you. Right. Like, I remember that there was one episode where you slept inside this ancient Indian structure, this ancient Native American structure that you found in Nevada. And I was like, that has got to be one of the fucking coolest things you could ever do. Oh, yeah. It was pretty cool.

You know, I find all kinds of cool places. There's a place in New Zealand that I like to go now that I found. It's just a rock you can crawl under and sleep. And then you don't have to bring a tent. You just got your sleeping bag. That's your spot. You go to that spot. Yeah. I like to go light.

So I try to minimize the amount of things that I have to bring because I'm well for filming it. I'm carrying so much shit. Yeah. Two cameras and tripods and batteries. And by the time I add the essential stuff, I'm like way overweight. Now, when you do that, when you do this in this show,

this is a different show. It's called Solo Hunter. When you do that, you film everything. You film the setup. You film the actual shot. You film yourself drawing back. You film all this different stuff. Who puts it all together?

Do you send it to Tim? Yeah, Tim. Tim Burnett? He puts it together? Do you call him up and be like, dude, your editing sucks. You missed my favorite close-up. Yeah, actually, I do. Picture me looking whimsical out at the mountain, glass in the distance.

I spent an hour getting that shot when I walked four ridges over. It was four miles away. I used my entire battery. You didn't use it. Do you give him notes? I try to, yeah. We just kind of fly by the seat of our pants on that one sometimes i mean it's uh yeah i just kind of give him the footage he sits down watches everything which some of it is just ridiculous i think if he put together a montage of just the ridiculous shit that i've said

filmed and he's like why did you do? This is one of my all-time favorite shows. One of the reasons why is when you're solo out there, there's a sense that you get, like, that I'm I feel like I'm with you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if you go hunting,

like, say if I'm on Meat Eater or something like that, maybe it's because I know, but it's like, you're really aware that Steve has a crew. There's a production crew, there's PAs, there's guys that are carrying stuff. There's interns. There's, you know, like when we would go hunt, there would be like two guys with cameras that would be following us around.

Yeah. That's the thing. Like when I'm by myself, I, I, I run, the other thing I do is I try to do everything like what I call like live spine, live stream. So it's more important for me to get the footage of what's going on than actually have things work out, I guess, and be successful. And so, I mean, I've got two cameras and I try to set things up and it's really tough. But it's so much – it's like you're right there because there's no filter. You see everything that's going on. Like you might see a camera and a shot and you might see this other stuff, but it's all like, that's what it's like to be out there by yourself.

Yeah. Well, it's, there's this weird feeling of connection to nature that you get on your show that I don't think you get in that depth on other shows because I know you're by yourself. I feel like this sort of element of solitude and kind of danger, when you're talking to the camera, you're just talking to yourself. Yeah. There's nobody there. No one there.

It's imaginary people. How to sneak up on some big bedded mule deer, and you're trying to put it all together, and at the same time you're filming it, which has got to make it like twice as hard. Oh that's now it's like i think it's kind of one of those things you hear hunters that maybe rifle hunting and they get into bow hunting because of the challenge or whatever and then once i started filming things i thought this is the challenge like that's it's so unbelievably hard but, for me, it's exciting and fun.

It's a new element to add to the hunt. Now, it's almost hard not to, like if I go out by myself, even if I know I'm not going to use it for solo hunters or whatever, I still film it myself. I don't know why. So you always film? Yeah, I do. Wow. You're like a porn star who takes her work home with them. Exactly.

I mean, there was one hunt that I did recently. I'm trying to get away from it. Just hunt more like I used to. But I don't know if there's that element of you feel like you almost cheated it. Because you didn't capture it? Or, yeah, it became not too easy. But it's like I could have. You would go back and think I could have filmed that.

You know what I saw recently? Fuse has a stabilizer that you put on your bow that is a camera yeah have you ever used one of those no um some of the places i hunt it's illegal to have electronic devices attached to the bow even and for like um i just refrain from putting electronic equipment on my bow even i won't even put the gopro like when i'm i might get a shot or two with the electronic equipment on my bow. I won't even put the GoPro. I might get a shot or two with the GoPro on a bow depending on where I'm at. So it would be illegal to have a GoPro on the bow, but you could probably have it on your head? Yeah, it's a gray area in some places. Because it's not like an electronic aid, like a sight light.

I think a lot of states have rewritten the definition because people wanted to put cameras and things on their equipment, but I don't know. So the idea was that archery is supposed to be more difficult, and any sort of electronic gadget that you would add that would make it easier would be an unfair advantage, and it wouldn't make archery season a little easier and archery season is supposed to be tougher is that the idea but i think so yeah what they would need to do is stop this crossbow shit yeah like you can't using a crossbow during archery season those are two totally different things well that's yeah that's a recent more recent development um that might as well be a rifle yeah i mean it's a short range rifle yeah it's a short range i mean you have a scope you could rest it on something i mean you could rest it on a tripod-range rifle. Yeah, it's a short-range rifle. I mean, you have a scope. You could rest it on something.

I mean, you could rest it on a tripod like a rifle. To be honest, though, I think most compound bows are a lot more accurate and better than crossbows. Really? The ones I've shot, yeah. That's interesting. Well, maybe it's because you're a really good shot, too. No. I mean, I've taken guys out that I've never hunted with a crossbow, but not that I have anything against them,

but I feel like they just weren't as effective as a regular bow. Hmm. Do you not watch The Walking Dead? Oh, well, in that case, when you're hunting zombies, zombies and elk are completely different. For sure, crossbow. You know what drives me nuts about watching that on that show? I'm like, how is he not getting pass-throughs? He's shooting these mushy zombie heads

And he could pull the arrow out every time like that shit should be blowing right through that mushy zombie head my question is how Does he load the have you ever tried pulling a crossbow back? Yeah, they're like 300 pound pole and your fingers and get caught so you need a special device to draw the cross Yeah, that device is I think that would slow you down in killing zombies. I think you're right. It would be very... Well, I... He never reloads on the fucking show. It's just always loaded. It's an automatic crossbow. In which case, superior

weapon of choice. I've seen... One of them that I saw recently had a... It had, like, these handles built into it where you pull the handles out. They're on, like, drawstrings, and then you hook the handles out there on like drawstrings and then you hook the handles to the cord, the string that you, and then you pull it back with that and then latch it in place. But I was like, why would I do this? This is not as good as a bow. I was like,

not only that, I could put another arrow on a bow. Like, um, when I shot my elk, I shot it, I hit it once and then it didn't know what happened, but it blew right through it. It didn't even know we were there. It was like the fuck's going on and within five seconds i had another arrow on it yeah if it was a crossbow i would have been like hold up i gotta get your crank out yeah those are cool like those old ones that they used to have when you see like when they first invented them and there was like a stick that was like a lever that was holding it back and it worked on this sort of a locking mechanism and tunk and they would shoot these bolts like in Game of Thrones style like those type of yeah crossbows but even them that's slower it's yeah he's lower than a regular I

don't see him as if you've ever tried to carry it's not made for carry walking around but it's the most awkward thing to carry on the planet. Think of a gun that's got like a bow going the opposite direction. It makes a giant. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's a big T. There's no effective way to carry it. I think it's just, I don't know what the deal is with them.

How long before someone makes a crossbow that is in homage to Jesus? Where it's a big cross, an actual cross crossbow. And a bow. Yeah. So you could like, after you kill an animal, you could put it in the ground and go through the motions. There was one crossbow. They've got crossbows can get the most interesting names too

because there was one crossbow. It was called the Penetrator. And then I can't. Settle down, buddy. Me and my brother, a friend of ours is a photographer, and he needed some models. So me and my brother went out. So my brother was like the face of the Zom. We were like, oh, man, hopefully it's the Penetrator bow.

He needed models for his crossbow. Because no one wanted to be the face of the Penetrator. The Penetrator. What a fucking stupid name. Yeah, they have to have new... Well, every time bows come out every year, like Hoyt just came out with their new 2016 line of bows, and they have to come out with new names, you know?

Yeah. But after a while, you run out of fucking verbs. You run out of adjectives. You run out of letters to combine together. Like, you know, what's a nitrum? Yeah, I don't know what a nitrum is. You run out of adjectives. You run out of letters to combine together. What's a nitrum? I don't know what a nitrum is. Hoyt nitrum.

What is that? It's got to be something awesome. Why don't they just call it the 2016? That's not a bad. Yeah, just like a truck. Same model, just different year. Yeah, F-150. 2016 F-150.

There's no confusion there. It's not the 2016 Penetrator. No. I went to... The Dominator. Compound bows, making compound bows is... You think it's just like a bow. It's like a simple... I don't know, like a simple device.

Yet the amount of engineering that goes into these bows is crazy. I went to this deal. G5 is like an archery company company and they also make these prime bows and i was i was talking one of the uh engineers was kind of going over like what it takes to build a bow and apparently you really can't build two bows that are identical that shoot identical really yeah because the tolerances would have to be so minute and so kind of everybody's goal i think is to just build two bows that are exact but they all the way because things are constantly moving the the limbs are flexing and the risers are moving

and everything is just so it's there's such a science behind a simple tool like a bow but when you start putting wheels and cams and all kinds of things on it just the amount of engineering that goes into it's insane yeah well the people say that it'll change based on what kind of strings you use like if you switch to winner's choice strings it's like a real high tolerance string and you know some people prefer the strings that it comes with and guys will switch back and forth and adjust their draw length by a quarter of an inch at a time and monkey around. You can geek out on that stuff if you really want to. I always just kind of get it how I like and leave it.

Leave it alone. Yeah. Do you get a new bow every year? I do, yeah. Everybody does. That's the problem. That's the worst. Well, it's so different than rifles.

It is. Because a rifle. By the time you get used to it, That's the problem. That's the worst. Well, it's so different than rifles. It is. Because a rifle. By the time you get used to it, it's something new. Well, yeah, if you have a 10-year-old rifle, that thing's perfect. I've got, you can name it. Yeah. It's Betsy. It's old Betsy.

Hannah. Hannah's my rifle, you know. The Nitrum's out. The new one's in. You know, like, fuck. Because new bows come out every year, and they'll just have, like, just a little bit more power. Just a little bit more speed. Just a little bit more this, a little bit more.

I can't imagine needing it in some ways, you know, because like think about a guy like Cam Haynes who kills like everything with a bow. I mean, he killed, this year he killed I think three elk, moose, two deer two grizzly bears two grizzly bears two black bears, all with a bow all with the same bow that bow obviously works you don't need a new bow dude

but the new ones come out, bam, you gotta get a new one he's sponsored by Hoyt so they send him the new one right away and he's gotta get it tuned in and gotta put the new sight on oh this new one is the thing what's wrong with the old one right away, and he's got to get it tuned in and got to put the new sight on. Oh, this new one is the thing. This new one is the – what's wrong with the old one? He killed everything with that old one. But it's these extra few feet per second that you can get with the new one.

Yeah. The extra forgiveness of the accuracy of the bow. People who have never shot a compound bow have no idea how fun it is. Just shooting targets is so... It's relaxing. Yeah. It's a fun thing to do because you can't be thinking about anything else. Yes, exactly.

I've noticed if I'm out there and I'm thinking about a lot of things, when you think about things, your eyes... They always say when somebody's lying, their eyes move up and to the right or whatever. But when you're thinking, it's the same thing. If you're thinking about your day's work and whatever, your eyes shift and then you aren't looking through the sight right and you miss. Yeah, you miss. Yeah. All the things, when you're shooting a bow, it really is like a form of meditation in a lot of ways where like for people that are listening to this if you have no desire ever to hunt

You might be a vegetarian and no desire to eat meat. Just try archery for fun. You know, it is a really fun Rewarding discipline because it does something it's like a form of meditation when you are locked onto that site or locked onto that target rather and locked onto that site or locked onto that target rather, and everything has to be perfectly aligned. And then you release that arrow. And then it soars and thunk right into the bull's leg. Oh, it's the most rewarding feeling. It is.

It's weird. It's boga. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you got to be focused and practice. And it's a cool sport. I think there's something in our DNA with archery too. I really think there's something because for thousands of years that was the best weapon that people had for hunting.

And I think those people survived, and they survived by hunting with a bow. So I think every human being that's alive has the echo of that DNA in their system, the echo of the memories of the people that survived by arrowing a deer, and then the whole family got to eat. Whereas if you didn't, you didn't fucking eat. I mean, when bows were the only things that you had,

the feeling that they must have had when they were trying to survive thousands of years before everybody even bothered writing things down, and they released that arrow, and it's right into the heart of an animal and you knew where you were eating now you're probably fucking starving when you shot it you know i mean i think that's in our system i think even if you don't want to hunt you have no desire to kill an animal it's it's way better than shooting it like if you shoot a three-pointer, I mean, it's kind of cool, but it's nothing like an arrow going into a target. Yeah.

That's accentuated like multi-times or multi-fold for whatever reason. When I first started shooting a bow, I was just a kid, and I didn't know anybody that had bows, but I'd watch this guy. His name was Byron Ferguson, and his whole thing was just be the arrow. Instinctive shooting was just be the arrow instinctive shooting was just a long bow and but I mean there it was the best it was the only advice that I had to shoot a bow was be the arrow what's that mean as a child be the arrow but I would go out in the backyard and he was a trick shooter he'd throw a ring up and shoot through the ring and yeah like aspirin off his wife's head I don't know not off her head but like like throw up aspir ring and shoot like aspirin off his wife's head. I don't know. What?

Not off her head, but like throw up aspirin and shoot him. Should we shoot an aspirin? Yeah. He would actually hit an aspirin. Shoot an aspirin in the air. With an arrow. Yeah. That's incredible.

I think the guy has to be one of the best shots in the world. Wow. And it was with a recurve or a longbow? Wow. But his philosophy is just be the arrow. Just shoot how it feels. It kind of makes sense if you get to a certain point. I guess probably a tennis player must get to that point too

where you have the same racket for so long and you know the weight of a ball and you kind of know where the ball is going because you hit it so many times. You've done that motion so many times. If you watch Roger Federer or some of the great tennis players, they must have a feel for where that ball's going that far surpasses what a guy like me who never plays tennis could ever be able to understand. Yeah, because I think there's a certain point where your brain doesn't work fast enough for the situation. So that's where our instincts kick in yeah whenever we get to a situation that our brain can't compute you can't compute the speed that that aspirin is going in the air and the speed of your arrow and the pull of your bow you just have to feel what's right yeah that data has to already be inside

you right well that's the thing about instinctive shooting with a bow that doesn't have a sight like a longbow or a recurve They just kind of know where the arrows going. They don't they're not range finding right these That's got to be weird too because you got to use the same weight arrows over and over and over again If you're really using traditional equipment, you're using wooden arrows. Yeah, so if you're using Very inconsistent, you know, they could vary by several grams each arrow and That that's a big difference in how far it's gonna fly how it's gonna fly Can't really reuse arrows too much of the the blades get dull the feathers get fucked up. Yeah It's um you seen that guy on

YouTube that does all that crazy archery trickshot stuff and he carries the arrows in his fingers? No. You've never seen him? Uh-uh. The dude can shoot like three times in the air before he hits the ground. Like he'll jump off something and go, and he can shoot. Like he holds the arrows in his fingers.

And some people have tried to discredit him. I've watched the discrediting him and I think they're fucking bitter i think they're jealous good what he's doing is fucking amazing i mean unless he's using cgi and faking all of it what he's doing is amazing and i think these bitter bitches need to just get their own attention some other way but they're they're what he's done is he's found a way to mimic what he believes is the ancient way of holding arrows. He believes they held them in their fingers, and then they would just be able to reload really quickly. They developed very good finger dexterity,

whereas we always think of it as a quiver, and you reach back, pulling out of the quiver. He's like, that takes too much time. He thinks that this is the guy. Check this shit out. Watch this. Watch how he's like that takes too much time and he thinks that this is the guy like check this shit out like watch this like watch how he's holding it like that is a that's one where he's just got it he's throwing a fucking a tab of a beer and hitting it but he's he does a lot of jumping. First of all, this guy looks like

he's never even heard of pussy. That was his favorite clip. He's like, I shot the head off a plastic bear. Yeah. Well, he's he throws his bow in the air and he can do it really quickly. These are not as impressive as the ones where he holds multiple arrows in his hands. But it is pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool and he could do it really quickly. These are not as impressive as the ones where he holds multiple arrows in his

hands, but it is pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. He can do it in the right hand or the left hand, but his bow in the right hand and the left hand. Like, this is you can't disprove this. Nah. I mean, this guy is actually a very

accurate. Here's one where he's got multiple arrows. See, he's got two arrows in his hand. Watch this. One, two. Oh, that's a different one. That was one. He sliced an arrow in half with a knife. He grabs the arrow and shoots it before he hits the ground.

Don't try this at home. He's catching arrows. Oh, he's got a weak-ass bow. It's a little child's bow. But he does all this crazy trick shot shit. See, there you see him holding multiple arrows in between his fingers. That's cool.

His name is Lars something or other. It's pretty accurate, too, it looks like. Yeah, very accurate. See, look at that. See how he's holding them? He's having drinks with people and shooting them in the face. He's imagining himself in the Old West. See, this is their arrows in a quiver.

And now, look, he holds them in his hand. But now this is his style in the draw hand. Lots of jumping involved. See how they used to do that? Like, these are some ancient hieroglyphs. They showed some ancient photos. They showed them holding the arrows in their hands as they shot. And so he's trying to recapture this old way of doing archery.

That's cool. Yeah, archery is fascinating, man. It's just a fascinating thing that someone figured out a long time ago that you could attach a string to a stick. And if you pull that stick back it's got energy that goes throws it wants it to go back the way it came and if you put another stick on that string you can kill some shit yeah that's a it's been around for a long time and it's effective still yeah well guys like cam haynes he uhnes, he only hunts with a bow.

And he's like, rifle hunting is just not fun. I don't enjoy it. He goes, I have to get, I can be really far away, barely see the thing, lay it on a rock, look through the scope, squeeze the trigger, and the animal's dead. Yeah. He's like, it's just the amount of thrill and the amount of skill involved is just so much less that for him it's just it's not worth doing yeah i i enjoy bow hunting a lot i also enjoy rifle hunting though uh i just i kind of didn't rifle hunt for a long time and then once i started filming my own hunts i was like i might just pick up this rifle and make it and it's just as hard as i mean it depends where you're hunting

too because when i go on a rifle hunt a lot of times I'm going into a place that is so hard to hunt. Even sometimes just getting there is a challenge. And then finding one animal is a challenge. Right. And then getting to where you could shoot that animal and then taking it with a rifle. And I've been on a lot of bow hunts that are a thousand times easier than many of the rifle hunts I've done. So there's kind of a thought where a lot of times I'll go on a hunt and take a rifle, not because it makes it easier or it might—it wouldn't be impossible with a bow,

but it's just—it's so challenging in the first place that the challenge is there. Well, you're doing it in a completely different way than anybody else. Cause as you said, you're, you're filming. Yeah. But even, I mean, there's, there's other hunts where I've gone on and I, I haven't, you know, or I might not be filming, but you go into an area with such low densities that you might have to walk a hundred miles before you even see an animal. Well, that was one of the episodes you did recently was a deer hunt.

Yeah. You, uh, you went on, was a deer hunt. Yeah. You went on purpose to a low-density area. Yeah, just because I was thinking, eh, no one else is going here. So that's why you went, just because you knew you were going to be alone. Yeah, and it was going to be hard, and I thought, well, I'll just stick it out

and see what happens. There's one episode of Rinella's show where he went elk hunting, and everywhere they looked, there was hunters. There was, like, orange vests coming up this hill, going down that hill, going towards these elk, and I they looked there was hunters there's like orange vests coming up this hill going down that hill going towards these elk and like wow that's a that's a drag for two reasons one because it's kind of like this it becomes a competitive race to try to get to the elk first yeah but also too you don't know these guys you don't know what what they're doing they don't uh you don't know't know how squeezy they are, how trigger-happy they are. Some guy got shot this year elk hunting with a bow in the leg,

where some guy mistook him for an elk. That's bad. That's terrible. If you mistake someone with a bow, something didn't work. Yeah, like what the fuck, man? That guy's just shooting at everything. Yeah, that's not normal. No, no, but with a rifle, a lot of weird shit can happen with people shooting shots they shouldn't make.

They don't know what's behind the animal. They just take a chance to take a flyer. When you have to take into account other people's ideas of safety you have to take that into consideration it kind of ruins the whole idea of hunting yeah i like hunting animals that are acting as animals not as animals that are acting as hunted animals i guess because it's two different it it's a little more predictable in one sense but you're you're in a natural environment hunting an animal as the animal exists. And that to me is what it's all about. I like to be out there a lot of times by myself and not see another person. Yeah. There's, there is a big difference

between the way animals act when they're not hunted around people. And, uh, like i was in boulder and uh my wife and i were visiting uh this house visiting these people and uh we went to the backyard and this fucking giant mule deer in velvet is just walking straight towards us just straight towards us and and my wife's like do you want it would you want to shoot that deer oh i'm like, I can never shoot that deer. It's a habituated animal. It's a pet. That thing's coming right towards us. It wasn't even a little nervous. It was just walking like this.

Looking us right in the eye, a big-ass 10-pointer, like a big old mule deer, too. He was like, he's been in this town forever. This is my town, bitch. People aren't predators to him. At all. It's actually probably a food source. He sees people when they throw apples out. Probably, yeah. At one point in time,

we pulled over the side of the road. My girls had never seen... They've seen deers in our yard before, but they'd never seen a big buck just standing on the side of the road. We pulled over to the side of the road, and we got out of the car, and I said, well, I just want you to stay close to him because I don't think he'll do anything, but just in case we'll

stay on this side of the road and he'll be on the other side. We're just separated by the road. And he's just looking at us. He just goes back to eating. Doing his thing. Just looking at us. And they're like, that's so cool. And he was like, what the fuck?

And then he bolted. And he's like, I don't know what that noise is. It sounds like a war cry. Let me get out of here. There's a five-year-old that wants to kill me. But it's just, it's so strange when you see them when they're around people because they become like squirrels. You know, they just sort of hang out. Yeah.

Yeah, they, I don't know. For me, part of hunting is just being in that place that's remote and wild and adventurous and a way to get away and be there by yourself and be in nature. And so, I mean, obviously there's places that you hunt that are closer, but also I think my thing is just kind of going to places that aren't private ranches that aren't just real wild places and going in there and working hard and trying to hunt animals that may not have seen people. Yeah. When you see something that hasn't seen a person or when there's just no people around, there's this weird moment when you,

when you, when you lock eyes on them and you're seeing them and you don't have to exist. You, you, you, you mean they would be doing exactly that same thing, whether or not you were ever born and you,

you enter into their world. And it's just, it's a very weird weird i want to say like a transcendent experience because you're in the wild you're in the real wild and you get the sense of that that these animals they live there and they live there looking out for wolves or bears or whatever the fuck they're they're worried about it's not people they're worried about yeah i think it's cool, too, because you see a different landscape than everybody else sees because, like, when you're hunting, you're never on a trail. You're going cross-country through places that someone else would never have a reason to be there. You know, so there's been a lot of places that I've been and sat down and thought,

I wonder if anybody else has ever even been right here. I mean, maybe they've been in this area, but has anyone ever been right here and why would they be here if they weren't hunting but i i was i was actually thinking about this the other day i was in a spot one time i backpacked in just had camping out extremely remote place to start off hiked in a long ways no humans around it was that thought like there's probably nobody has been here and i set up camp for the night and i had a bag of potato chips and i'm like okay i'm gonna eat these chips open up the chips and it's starting to get dark eat a chip and i dropped one on the ground and i'm setting up my tent and a mouse runs out and grabs the

potato chip and starts eating it how does that mouse know that it can eat potato chips? That has perplexed me till this day. Like, is that mouse born knowing that it can eat peanut oil fried potato chips? That's a really good question. It's beyond, like, I can't figure that out. I would think that would be a giant risk for them. I would think so, too. Or why would it even think that that was food because i was eating it was like this isn't i'm like in in the middle of nowhere and eating a bag of potato chips going these are

some energy this isn't bad but it's it's not natural looking food it doesn't taste natural it probably doesn't smell like anything in the woods. No, and I'm thinking this mouse has definitely never had human contact. If you're in a town or something and you, I would just, yeah, pigeons eat things. They know it's food. They've seen other animals eat that food. How did this mouse know that it could eat

potato chips? That's a very good question. I would like to talk to a mouse expert. I would too. I mean, they do enough studies on them. I'm sure there's one out there. Yeah. I wonder if maybe it's the salt. Maybe they could smell the salt. I don't know.

You know, because I know animals gravitate towards those salt blocks. Those don't make any sense. Yeah. That they leave down for deer. It's just a natural thing that they need to. Yeah. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe he just recognizes the fact that salt's on it.

They could probably smell the salt. That's what I was thinking. Because I did recently for a new Apex episode, a foraging thing, just going out and finding foods, much like a bear would. But I'm trying to think, as a human, do we really have that innate ability to distinguish poisonous plants from non-poisonous plants. Not really, right?

Not really. But I don't know. Is it something maybe that's passed down? Or if you were just left on an island alone, would you figure out what you could eat? Boy, you'd have to be fucking real careful with things like mushrooms. Yeah. So that was one of the cool things that I learned is there's actually way more poisonous plants than there are poisonous mushrooms.

Really? Yeah. Well, there's a lot more plants, I guess. But, I mean, for the amount of edible plants that there are, there's a lot more plants that are inedible. So the percentage of plants being poisonous is higher than the percentage of mushrooms being poisonous? This was coming from a guy who's like a mushroom expert and that's what his pitch was okay so maybe he was like pro mushroom yeah i think he's real pro i like forging yeah but uh yeah there was there's actually a lot there i think there's a lot of mushrooms that yeah will kill you dead

and then there's some that'll make you sick and there's some that are just you can't really eat and then there's some you can't eat there's a few few, though, that are pretty common that'll kill you dead. Yeah. That's very disconcerting. It is. But I think there's a lot of plants that'll kill you dead, too. A lot of berries. Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know shit about plants that you can eat. If I was left alone in the woods and I had to figure out what to eat, I'd be fucked. There's a lot of basics. Yeah. You learn, like, ten basics that are kind of everywhere. Like, what are the basics?

You've got, like, cattails and dandelion like just common plants that are dandelion things my grandmother used to make salad yeah chicory um violets violets like the rose like a flower rather yeah you could eat those yeah plant everything um you probably want to do it while there's flowers on it why that so you can identify it easily You probably want to do it while there's flowers on it. Why that? So you can identify it easily. Oh, you want to do it while there's flowers on it. Unless you know what to leave. There's a lot of lookalikes. Plantain, which is just kind of like a roadside. I mean, it's all over the place.

It's not like plantains, but it's a plant. It's called plantain, but it's not like a banana. Right, correct, yeah. Yeah, I watched that survivor man show less stroud and he would go and he's a real expert in what you can and can't eat and shockingly how little you could find shocking yeah that's that's kind of the thing that struck me is as a human like a bear when they were well plants they die off in the winter. So then what do you eat? I think a lot of people – I've heard people say like, oh, humans, our digestive system is more plant-based, which we're opportunistic omnivores as well as predatory omnivores.

But once that plant base runs out, we can't digest the same things deer can. So what are we left to? We have to hunt, essentially. Well, when people say that, that we primarily exist on plant-based diets or that we can or should, they don't take into account things like Inuits who don't have any cancer at all. Right. And they don't eat any vegetables. No vegetables.

None. No fruits. Nothing. Lots of seal. Yeah. Fats. They eat fats and fishes and whale and anything they can kill. None. No fruits. Nothing. Lots of seal. Yeah. Fats. They eat fats and fishes and whale and anything they can kill.

I mean, that throws a big monkey wrench into that whole theory. I don't buy that because I think too much of that when people say those things, it's ideologically based. Whether people say, you know, you should own, like, people that are like, I don't need vegetables. I eat all meat. I think that's ridiculous when people say that because I think vegetables, without a doubt, are really good for you. I feel better when I eat a lot of vegetables. I think it's really good for you. But when people say that you should only eat vegetables, I go, well, that doesn't make any sense either. Because that's not evidence-based.

That's ideologically based. Yeah, there's a good balance Yeah, but people that say that they're almost always like animal rights people. They're almost always vegan They're almost always you know, like really into animals the idea that we don't have to consume animals Which I kind of see what you're I see what you're saying I don't agree with it, but I see what you're saying, but when you say that it's healthier, it's better for people or it's That's that's ideological, you know better for people, that's ideological. That doesn't make sense logically.

No. On either side. I mean, we can't just eat. Well, we can. We can. But just eating only meat and eating only, like, we're omnivores. We should eat both. But, I mean, my personal belief is that we should hunt for the meat that we eat.

And not everyone can do that. but it's just for me. It's a more natural system. It makes more sense to me. That is the real problem, right? Because not everyone can do it. The real problem is we've fucked ourselves in this position, literally fucked ourselves into this position where we have 20 million people jammed into a city. Right. I mean, that's what we did.

We fucked until we ran out of space, and now we have all these people piled up. We have to keep trucking food into this fuck festival that we call cities. Yeah. And no one's growing anything. I mean, we have these goddamn giant chunks of property that people are packed into in apartment buildings and houses and fucking roads, and no one's growing a goddamn thing. And there's so many ornamental plants that have no utility

at all. That's not true. What if we just replaced every plant you couldn't eat with a plant you could eat? Yeah, palm trees. Fucking palm trees. Those do fruit, but they cut them off. We don't want anybody dying. Do you know 150 people die every year because coconuts fall on their head?

That's a bad day. All across the world, 150 people worldwide a year from coconuts. Coconut accident. Punk! Larry would be with us today if we had that horrible coconut accident. Well, you've got to think, man. A full coconut. Like, I bought one the other day from a supermarket.

to think man a full coconut like i bought one the other day from supermarket and when you got when for people who've never seen a coconut in the wild when you're buying them from a supermarket they've already been husked like so uh you're getting the inside the outside is this hard sort of uh husk that makes it quite a bit heavier and you got to chop through all that to get to the round brown piece and you chop through that and that's how you get the milk and the Fruit the coconut white stuff itself, but if one of those Falls from you know 80 90 feet up and hits you in the head You're fucking gone. That's That's a wrap. That's a lot of weight coming down real fast I had a buddy used to live in Hawaii and they used to pick fresh mangoes

They'd go pick wild mangoes Just walk down this road and they would find mangoes and grab them and take like a basket full of mangoes home. It's like, wow. Like if you live in Hawaii, you kind of can forage like for fresh fruit and live. Yeah. I, I, I recently found, or I recently heard this and maybe it's incorrect, but I'm pretty sure it's true that mangoes are somewhat related to poison ivy. So if you're highly allergic to poison ivy or poison oak or sumac, then mangoes you would probably be allergic to as well. Really? Yeah.

Wow. Find that out, Jamie. That should be – yeah, that should be looked up. Yeah, that should be yeah that should be yeah that should be google but i i do i because i recently got poison oak or poison ivy and so i was just looking it up is that the only time you ever had it yeah really yeah that's crazy and it wasn't it wasn't that bad but it was days later so it must have uh huh i don't know yeah maybe when i washed everything together like through the rain gear when we were um we were hunting turkeys in uh napa for a meat eater and there was poison oak

everywhere and everyone was terrified of it oh a bunch of guys on the crew got it yeah but i i fucking went way out of the way to not get it took my clothes off outside the car, put them, I was like, in my underwear, outside. I don't give a fuck. Come look. I'm throwing my shit in a bag, in the back,

not touching it with my hands, taking it out from there when I got home. I made sure that anything that might have come in contact with that stuff,

because Ronello was saying he got it on his dick. That's a bad day. A lot of bad days happening today. Coconut's falling on your head. There's a bad day. A lot of bad days happening today. Coconut spot on your head. There's no worse place, I would think. Yeah, that's the worst place.

But you think about it, if you're touching the trees, and then you have to go to take a leak, and you get it on your dick. Is it true? Yeah, it is. Oh, my goodness. It is true. It is true.

Dodged a bullet on that one. Wow, what a weird word. U-R-U-S-H-I-O-L. How do you say that? Dodged a bullet on that one. Wow, what a weird word. U-R-U-S-H-I-O-L. How do you say that? Urushiol? Urushiol? Is a chemical found in the oil of the mango sap.

Urushiol is also found in poison ivy and poison oak. Therefore, people who have a history of reactions to poison ivy and poison oak should be cautious when handling mangoes. Wow. That's interesting. Very interesting. When I did Fear Factor, we found out that if you are allergic to shellfish, you're also allergic to roaches. Same. Same exact enzyme in roaches.

And so people that we had on the show, well, I should say person, one dude, he ate a bunch of roaches and he had shellfish allergy and it just his throat closed up to the side of like a like a soda pop straw and he like they probably didn't test for that no well they panicked they had to take this guy to the hospital they had to give him a shot i think that we had an emt standing by always um so i think they gave him a shot of adrenaline adrenaline or something like that epinephrine you think what is that what they give him yeah and uh then they sent him to the hospital and they gave him a shot of adrenaline or something like that. Epinephrine, you think? Is that what they give him? And then they sent him to the hospital and they kicked him off the show. Get out of here, kid. You lose. Keep your mouth shut.

It's never happened. And we dodged so many bullets on that show. That show, man, I mean, they did a great job with, don't get me wrong, did a great job with stunts. They planned things out well in advance, and they got approval from the network for every step of the way. But they dodged a lot of bullets.

Was there anything on there that you thought to yourself, I kind of want to try that? Oh, yeah, yeah, a bunch of them. Like especially the car stunts, like flipping cars off the top of a building. Because they would flip them into these gigantic stacks of cardboard boxes. That's how they would do the car stunts. So they would have these folded up cardboard boxes, and they would stack them like the size of a building, like two stories up. And they had a crew of guys that would go in there and stack these boxes.

So if they had boxes, like they'd have a cardboard box that was like, and the inside of it was like an X, and they would close the box up and then put was like an x and they would close the box up then put another one on top of it and close that box up put another one on top of it and they would have like stacked up 50 boxes high and then they would flip these cars through the air off the top of like a 10-story building and boom we just land on this giant building of boxes, of cardboard boxes, and then sink to the bottom. But it was totally safe that way, and it was so cool. That's one I've wanted to try. I've always wondered this, because I remember watching an episode of Fear Factor.

What's the deal with those 100-year-old eggs? Wasn't that on there? It's not really 100-year-old. Yeah, what's the truth? It's an expression. Okay. The Chinese call it 100-year-old eggs. Expression.

Okay. It's the Chinese call it 100-year-old eggs. And what it means is it's a style of fermenting where they would take an egg and they would bury it in the ground. And I don't remember the whole process, but it's only really like a few months old. Okay. But they become black. Just nasty. Yeah, the white becomes – but nasty to us, but to Chinese people, it's a delicacy. Oh, okay.

So it is something that people normally eat. Well, that was one of the things that we had to do early on. We could only serve people something that someone somewhere ate in the world. Gotcha. So if we serve people eyeballs, like sheep's eyeballs, that's a pretty common thing that people eat. Right. Especially in places where they don't have much money. There's protein in that. Don't throw it away it away eat it so there's a history of people

eating sheep's eyeballs we could serve sheep's eyeballs bugs placenta yeah placenta the believe it or not right that's a weird one people cook it that's disgusting it's fucking crazy i've eaten a lot of strange things but the most recently strange i tried to eat a live slug. Don't do that. Why did you do that? My fucking chickens don't even like those things. It immediately builds up this amazing amount of like film in your mouth, makes everything numb. I can taste it. It was the, you almost have, I guess you can get some kind of brain worm from it as well.

Oh, dude. At first, I kind of bit it in half to kind of gut it and i i was like i and then immediately i regretted my decision it was instantaneous but it took a few seconds it was all of a sudden it was like one bite two bites and i was like what's happening this is not good and at that moment I realized no humans have no clue what you can eat why did you have to eat it raw I did well was it for the show obviously yeah I didn't have to I just found it I was thinking why I've never eaten a raw slug and I was thinking about it and I was in my I was like, I know there's something strange about them. I know it won't kill you.

And I was like, yep, this is why people don't do it. Well, you and Rinella ate a coyote on that Mexico show. That was hard to watch. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't good. It wasn't bad. But when you burned the hair off of it, that's when I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. Dipping it in that pond water.

It was a stagnant pool in northern Mexico. You're just asking for the new AIDS. You're just asking to create it. Oh, God. So we got coyote AIDS from pond water, singed coyote. Well, Ronella's got everything. Yeah, he's got it all, man. He's had everything.

He had giardia and Lyme disease at the same time. That's the worst combination of things you can have. Because he got trichinosis, too. He got trichinosis as well. And so now, once I found out he got trichinosis, I thought, if Steve Rinella can get trichinosis, anybody can get trichinosis. Because him talking about bears and trichinosis goes hand in hand. Yeah. And, I mean, when you're cooking over a fire, though, a lot of the stuff you eat is undercooked.

Yeah. So I recently went on a bear hunt and brought a meat thermometer with me. And I ate some brown bear because I always hear that brown bear is inedible. Right. And I'm just one of those people. I'm not going to believe it until I've tried it because I've heard a lot of other things don't taste good. And I have a really good – I'm defending myself. And I have a really good sense of taste. That now. I have a really good sense of taste.

That's why I put a slug in my mouth. But I thought it was the best bear I've ever eaten. Really? Yeah. Was it interior? Was it interior? It was coastal, and it was eating a seal, a dead seal carcass. And it was good.

But it was a younger bear. Oh. It wasn't – I mean, for meat, it was better than any black bear i've ever had really yeah was it the back straps yeah every all of it so you ate everything you ate the whole bear and was this how did you cook it over well we started over the fire i thought it was good yeah it was good you could you could visibly parasites, like worms, in some of the areas, like around the stomach and other places. But that's why it was me, thermometer time. But you could visibly see the parasites?

Wow. I think that immediately makes people think it's going to be bad. Yeah. I'm bringing the bear that I have left to a sausage guy in Bakersfield. Makes good sausage. Yeah. I'm bringing my bear to, the bear that I have left to a sausage guy in Bakersfield. Makes good sausage. Yeah. That's probably the best way to do it where you don't worry about it. This guy makes sausage and he makes a really good summer sausage. So if you get the summer sausage, it's already cooked, you know, which is probably a good thing for something like bear.

But there's that one element always kind of bums me out. You always have to worry about it having a parasite. That's what I really like about deer or elk or something like that is that you don't have to think about that. You eat it pretty rare. And it's really good. Yeah, you almost have to undercook it because there's no fat in it. So if you cook it too much, it's just dry and not – I think a lot of people almost don't like wild meat because they don't prepare it right. Yeah.

It gets chewy. It's real chewy and like. But if done right, it's nothing better. Yeah. I was at elk camp. These guys are putting A1 steak sauce on elk. I was like, you guys should all go to jail. Yeah.

Should all be in jail for this. This is, this should be illegal. This one guy took all of his elk and ground it up made hamburger out of everything the whole elk all of it yeah i was like that seems i mean look yeah elk burger tastes great don't get me wrong but why are you doing that like when do you not know how to cook it like this seems crazy yeah i like i like cooking it in large pieces almost like a roast and like the back strap big pieces and then slicing it after it's cooked. That way it's always cooked right.

It's such a distinct flavor that the only way you get it from a store is if they get it from New Zealand, which is really weird. Yeah, and those, if you get deer venison, it doesn't distinguish what it is. Most of the time it's red deer or fallow deer. Oh, really? So if you get venison from New Zealand venison? Yeah, it's generally red deer, fallow deer. And they're, I call them like lot raised but grass fed.

Because the grass grows so easy and well over there. They're so green. Yeah, there's not a lot of supplemental winter feeding or anything like that. So it's grass-fed. Most of the time, no pesticides or any of that kind of stuff would be added. It's just not necessary. Because the animals there don't have a lot of the things that we – I mean, they have tuberculosis, but that's – they don't have, like, mad cow over there or anything like that. So they don't have to – they don't have a lot of the bugs that we have um in some places they have ticks but not everywhere so they don't have

to do a lot of things so it is fairly clean meat i would consider it it's just weird that we have so many deer and elk over here but yet when you buy the meat a good percentage of it is coming from new zealand yeah because it's well you can't sell wild game meat in america that's wild because and i see the reason for it because once you put a value on something a monetary value then people opt to break the law even more it's like yeah rhinos and elephants and all if there was no value of the horns or the tusks no one would care they wouldn't no one would shoot him yeah illegally yeah i mean rhino tastes good cory nolten said that it was one of the best meats he's ever eaten when he shot that that's an expensive steak i would say that too like when i spend 30 dollars

on a steak yeah i go that's god that was the best steak i ever had when you spend 350 000 dollars to shoot an endangered rhino and then eat it and then get death threats for the next six months pretty much every day. You're like, you're eating a steak

on the house. It's so worth it. Well, he said it was really good. He said it was legitimately good. I've heard hippo's really good as well. It's a big, it's a cousin of a pig, right?

Isn't it? I'm not sure about that. I think hippo's related to a pig. I think it's like the cousin of a pig Something along those lines just a giant fucking nasty pig You've seen that video where the pig is with a hippo rather is chasing the people on a speedboat No, oh Such a crazy video see if you can find that video Jamie because these guys are in a boat and they're trying to get away

And it's hippo swimming after him like just charging in the water after them and like is right on their ass. And it's as big as the boat. It's fucking enormous. They move fast. So fast. I was in Africa and a friend of mine, there's a pH there and I was helping out. He.

pH means professional hunter. That's like a guide in America. They call them professional hunters in Africa for folks listening. And so there was a problem hippo. It was just one that was a danger and could kill people. So we went in there to go find it. And the speed that they move was insane. I've never seen anything that size move that fast.

It kind of freaks you out because you're in real tight quarters and it's in the water and you see these bubbles just coming. It's like, get ready. It's coming towards you to get you. Here it is. Watch this. Check this out. Very huge.

Look at the size of that thing. The size of that fucking thing? Yeah, people don't know because of Hungry Hungry Hippo. I played that with my five-year-old the other day. See, it's because Disneyland stopped that ride

where they shoot at the hippos. They had a ride where you shoot at the hippos? Yeah, wasn't it the... I think it was some kind of jungle boat thing. I remember that as a kid and the guide would pretend

like he was shooting at the hippos. Oh, really? They stopped it? People call you a monster now you monster you shot the hungry i mean they probably stopped that about 20 years ago well there's so many weird uh things that we've turned cute like polar bears polar bears you sell klondike bars and coca-cola you know hippos they're like they're sweet and they dance around. They have bows in their hair.

Two-twos. We've done some weird things to animals. Yogi Bear. Yogi Bear's a fucking grizzly, man. Yogi Bear lives in Yellowstone Park. That's where he's supposed to live. Or he's supposed to live in Jellystone. But it's basically the same thing.

He's big. He's way too big to be a black bear. He's a fucking giant. Yogi's huge. He wears a big. He's way too big to be a black bear. Right? He's fucking giant. Yogi's huge. He wears a hat. You know, he's, hey, boo-boo, just trying to get a little picnic basket. You know, I mean, what did we do? We confused the shit out of little kids. And then Bambi.

Bambi. Bambi was the one. That ruined hunting for everybody. And it also, Bambi's a buck. It's a man's name, apparently. Bambi's a man's name? If you think about it, Bambi's a buck. It's a man's name, apparently. Bambi's a man's name? Think about it. Bambi was a buck.

So we associate Bambi with female. I thought Bambi was a female. No? It's a buck. Bambi's a buck. Well, the bucks are never taking care of the offspring. That's why that movie's stupid. Bambi's a boy named Sue, really.

It's a boy named sue really it's like his dad knew he wouldn't be around so i'm gonna name you bambi you're gonna grow up to be tough son everybody missed the point of that movie that's really what it was about a lot of hunters will talk about that movie like it's like like it was the end of good days you Like it changed the way America perceived hunting. Because all of a sudden you get this adorable Bambi. This adorable sweet deer. And it was right around the same time where Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer came out. But there's no cows that have come across that way.

Cows are fucked. There's no happy cows. Well, in California there's happy cows. I was driving through L.A. today and saw so many happy cows Well in California there's happy cows I was driving through LA today And saw so many happy cows I think you're talking about people who overeat I passed no less than 12 McDonald's on the way here It's so gross

It's such a culture shock for me Because I literally spend most of my life Around very few people And even yesterday I was just out in the mountains of Montana guiding hunters. And then I come here and look around, and you just feel like, holy smokes, this is reality here. Well, this is this reality. This reality, yeah.

It's completely different than what I'm used to. I think a lot of people don't realize that there are people who live completely different than them. People in Montana have no clue what this world is, and people here have no clue what that world is. I love Montana. I love it. I was just in Bozeman last week.

Yeah. We were pheasant hunting for Bourdain's TV show, and we were wandering around Bozeman. I was like, what a great place. Isn't Bozeman awesome? It's amazing. So ZPZ, you know, they do Steve's show and they do mine. 0.0.

0.0. They've just opened like an office in Bozeman, so I got to go there. Doty. Dan Doty's got it. Love that dude. Man, Bozeman is a cool town. It's the best. It's just got a cool vibe.

And even like that, well, I guess the town is essentially 47 bars down Main Street interspersed with sandwich and steak shops. So I guess really there's nothing not to like about it. Yeah, it's pretty much perfect. And then not that many people. I mean, the whole city, or the whole state has like a million people, right? Yeah. I think the whole state.

Yeah. Yeah, and there's... It's like the third largest state. Yeah, by volume. It's the third largest state, and it has, like what we said, like less than a million people and no traffic. It doesn't exist.

There's no traffic jams. Five o'clock, what happens? Nothing. You just drive. It's like normal. And, I mean, all around it, there's just, you can be in the mountains, you can get away from people. There's big wilderness.

Oh, it's beautiful. We saw a lot of antelope, a lot of pronghorn. We saw quite a bit of pheasants. I didn't get one, but I'm probably not supposed to say what happened on the show. It's a mystery. But somebody did. He's taller than me. He's got gray hair.

We saw mule deer when we were out there. It's beautiful. It's fucking amazing. Such a great state. there. It's beautiful. It's fucking amazing. Such a great state. Yeah. It's wild. I mean, it is as close to wild and real wilderness as you can get in America. And Alaska is another notch above that.

Yeah. Alaska's like, oh, yeah? Check this out, bitch. Look what we got. Yeah. We got even bigger. Is that the biggest state? Alaska, yeah.

Yeah. The biggest state. The least amount of people. It's probably got the least amount of people. Right? Yeah. Doesn that the biggest state? Alaska, yeah. Yeah. The biggest state, the least amount of people. It's probably got the least amount of people, right? Yeah. Doesn't that make sense? Yeah, so technically Montana is not the third largest state. I guess it would be Alaska, Texas, California, right?

I don't know. I'd heard it was the third. They kept saying it was the third. Maybe it is the third. Whatever it is. I don't know. It's giant. It's fucking enormous.

I'm not smarter than a fifth grader. Well, it's not smart.'t know. It's giant. It's fucking enormous. I'm not smarter than a fifth grader. Well, it's not smart. It's information that's absorbed. If you're really smart, you would have actually gone out there and measured it. Right. That's true. But the mountains out there, there's something amazing about them. There's something amazing about that kind of solitude when you're in those areas where

you sit down. You can sit down on a ridge, like if you're glassing or something like that and you just hear nothing you see a wind and you look out and you realize this mountain doesn't give a fuck if you exist it doesn't it doesn't care if you're here if you're gone if you fall off this cliff and smash your head on the rocks still there same exactly the same you know some animals will find you they'll eat you and that's a wrap you know and then everything keeps moving keeps moving the same direction it always has thousands and thousands of years and then we think that the mountains themselves came about through seismic activity that forced the crust of the earth to shift and move upwards

and to thousands and thousands of feet above sea level like crazy crazy place it is meanwhile you're in LA yeah McDonald's more happy chaos when you're doing this show we briefly touched on it before it's called apex predator and it's on the outdoors Network outdoorsman outdoor channel outdoor channel sportsman's network sportsman's channel and the outdoor channel and the outdoor channel um has uh your show you're you're trying to imitate the methods that various animals use in in trying to survive and hunt prey and uh i got curious about a couple of these that I haven't seen yet. First of all, the mountain lion one. What did you do for the mountain lion one?

So, yeah, so the show is kind of, I see it as almost a natural history lesson where we're looking at humans are, in my opinion, undoubtedly the coolest species on the planet because we can adapt so many things that other animals do so well. But the other thing that we're looking at is how did humans become these top hunters? It's called Apex Predator, not that I'm the Apex Predator, that we're studying Apex Predators, but humans as a whole are pretty much at the top of the food chain.

And we can look at everything a certain animal does or something in nature that's specialized and possibly try to mimic it in a way. And so with the mountain lion episode, what we did is the mountain lion is a very silent predator. They're quiet. And that's one of the reasons they're so effective. And so my thought was, well, can humans be as quiet as a mountain lion?

How do we do this? So I looked at a mountain lion and met with a mountain lion expert. And then we actually did some experiments on the mountain lion as far as measuring its force it exerts on the ground and how – essentially how loud it is and when it walks and the way it walks and with slow motion cameras and everything and then i tried to mimic that in a certain way by using moccasins or or even bare feet and what i found out while doing this is is pretty cool i don't want to give it all away but humans really like the way we walk now we heel strike and it's a forceful impact and what that forceful impact does is it puts because we're bipedal we put you know all of our weight on one foot at a time pretty much as we're moving our feet and that's allowed and especially the way we do it but

as humans modern footwear has dictated the way we now walk with our heel strike. We used to walk almost identical to the mountain lion with our toes first, slowly rolling our planet and being quiet. So we've kind of evolved into this loud, bumbling animal when originally we naturally are quiet like the mountain lion. I've tried to run that way. On your toes? On your toes. And it feels so odd it does it feels

like i'm doing it wrong you know because in the the design like what you're saying of footwear is what is making people run heel first it's running shoes yeah i mean obviously that we found out it makes you faster but then you have all these injuries i I think it has to. I don't know. Because the way it was explained to me is you're propelling forward off your toe. So that's giving you more ground force to push off at a running gait. Because if you land on your toe, you have to lean forward more and you don't have as much ground force exerted because you're using the inertia of the heel to roll forward and push forward. That makes sense. But, I mean, it makes us, I think sort of, yeah,

it's got to make us faster is what it was explained to me. But when you're on your toes, you absorb more shock. So I think you have probably less injury. Well when I first started reading about this and hearing this I watched my kids run around. And especially when they run around barefoot. And they run toes first. Toes first. It's just that's natural for them.

It's a natural way. And then we learn to walk different. And it's hard to reverse because you're trained so much to walk like that. But the only real way to do it is just go without. I used moccasins because there's a lot. You actually still feel the ground the same.

It was just a piece of leather to keep the thorns and everything out. Because I was going miles a day. And your feet would get tired and sore. And you had to walk on your toes. Because otherwise, your knees hurt, your whole body hurt. You have to. There's no way to do it otherwise when you're barefoot. Is that going to change the way you wear footwear when you go hunting?

Do you wear like a thick, heavy mountain boot? What boot I wear depends on the terrain and what I'm doing. But generally, if I'm stalking on something, I generally just take my shoes off. I always have. I go in my socks or barefoot or some kind of stalking. Just to be quiet. Yeah. Because that, you know, the stiff sole of a boot, you can't feel the ground.

Right. And as a hunter, you really need to be able to feel the ground. Snapping twigs and things along those lines. Yeah. I think there's a, there's a lot of things that hunters do that I think a lot of people may not do. And I notice it when I guide people or whatever,

even guys that hunt a lot, but maybe not the type of hunting that I do. Even the way we walk, a lot of people walk and they look down at the ground. I don't get that. Like they don't want to step on anything yeah but yet it's because we don't we've same thing we've we no longer need to feel the ground but we should be walking with our heads up looking around we know how to walk we know what's in front of us that's when the poisonous spider gets you right i think that's what people worry about no that's the bear that gets you while you're sleeping, so you shouldn't sleep. That's right.

You should look around and walk. You should sleep during the day. Sleep during the day. The bears are sleeping. Yeah. That's the move. That is the move. Or sleep in a, no, tree, but if you fall.

Yeah, the move is, there's no move. Like, you have to, the move is your truck. That's the move. That's right, yeah. Sleep in the fucking truck. I've always thought that, like, that's got to be the move. Like, sleep in some sort of a camper-type situation. Those ones that I saw that have, it was a, they had it on a Land Cruiser, where the,

it's like a shelf that folds over, and then a ladder comes down. Yeah. And the ladder acts as sort of a prop, and then from there, they pop this tent up, and then you're sleeping on the roof of the truck. I'm like, that's perfect. I saw one once at a trailhead and thought, oh, that's pretty neat. It also kind of looked like a pain in the ass there, too. A little bit.

It's a little high. It's only about six inches above the truck. Not too bad when you think about a whole tent in there. But if someone's going to climb up that ladder, at least you're going to hear it. get a whole tent in there but if someone's going to climb up that ladder at least you can hear it you know i think if you've got a tent out and a bear comes and gets you in your tent the statistical probability of that is so small that it was just bad timing it might be your time well i wonder if they had i wonder if they had uh an open tent i have to ask ranella how that kid got bit in the head yeah but i mean especially in Alaska, I spent a lot of time up there this year.

And it's so wet and you have that tent open most of the time just to kind of keep air flowing and keep everything more dry, it seems like. I do at least. You leave it open when you sleep? I close the vestibule, but I leave a lot of the tent open, vent it, because I think a lot of people just close themselves in there. And then your body creates sweat and steam, and then nothing ever dries out. There's all these different moves now to try to, or movements now, to try to hike and camp out as lightly as possible, like super light packs.

Some guys don't even bring their own water. They just bring filters so they can find water and filter it along the way. And then it sort of adds to the element. Like you're living almost off the land, like really close to off the land. And I know you've done hunts where you literally did. You didn't bring any food. Like there was some of your episodes where you were starving to death on TV. Yeah.

Yeah, I like to go light sometimes at my own detriment. I think, you know, there's times where, you know, I think, well, there's, they always say like you're hungry. And I've done some research on things. And your physiology changes at there's a lot of animals that only hunt when they're hungry um there's some that just always hunt um but or like not hungry but literally starving but you you sense more your sense of smell is heightened i think you do like they call it more exploratory sniffing but you're just taking in more senses and dissecting everything a little bit more.

Because everything's sort of ramped up because you need resources. Yeah, because you're hungry. So when you walk into a place, if you walk into a grocery store or like a restaurant or you're walking down the street and you're really hungry, you'll smell the turkey roasting a lot further away than you would if you are on a completely full stomach. That's so true. Because your brain is not searching for food at that point. Yeah, my wife always says don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry. Exactly. Because then you come home with a bunch of fucking donuts and shit.

When you walk through the bread aisle when you're hungry, you smell the bread. Yeah. You don't at any other time. You're like, I need bread. That's so true. You're like, you never smell it when you're full. That's so true. I wonder, so physiologically are there changes that are going on?

Yeah, you're doing more exploratory. Well, you're smelling more times. Your brain's processing what's coming in because it's looking for food. So this is actually a measurable fact. Wow. That makes sense. It makes sense that it's designed like that. And it also makes sense that maybe your senses would be heightened and you'd be less prone to fuck around and really get down to business.

Yeah. But, I mean, a lot of times, yeah, as far as going backcountry type, you can't carry everything you need most times. So, yeah, you need to drink what water is there. You need to – I mean, I'll bring as much food as I can on a normal trip. I mean, I'll bring as much food as I can on a normal trip, but a lot of times I may, yeah, if you can find something also to eat or catch fish or whatever, it just aids in you being able to stay out there longer. Yeah, but you just have to rely on the ability to do that. And when you don't, like there was that one trip that you did on Solo Hunter where you, I think it was a mule deer hunt. Yeah, in Nevada.

Yeah, and you basically were starving to death on TV. Yeah, and part of that was I had food with me on that one, but I was burning way more calories than I was taking in. Because you're hiking in the high country. Yeah, and it was rough, steep stuff, and I didn't bring enough food. But I also wasn't finding any deer, so I just kept staying on and didn't have enough food. And then eventually I found any deer so i just kept staying on and didn't have enough food and then eventually i found a deer i was like finally when you ate that deer was that the best tasting thing you've ever eaten in your life that was good i think i ate the heart raw

oh you bit into it on this show yeah um like when you did the black bear episode what did you do for that uh that was foraging so oh so you did all foraging. All foraging. I wouldn't call it a survival episode because I think that's kind of – it's hard to – I've decided the only real way to do a survival type show would be to film yourself. And that's the truth because – Like Les Stroud does. Yeah. And I think like maybe the – I don't know if you've seen Naked and Afraid. Yes.

I think that one's – like the way they have it set up, it could be – it's super legit in my opinion. But I think also like when you're trying to do – film a survival show, you're also filming a TV show. So you need to do certain things for filming that are detracting from surviving. So you may not be dedicating 100 percent attention to finding food and other things I guess. But yeah, I didn't bring any food or anything with me. So for three days I foraged like a bear would. And I wasn't intending to hunt anything. I was just foraging.

You'd be like, well, is this a hunting show? Well, it's not really a hunting show. But it's also I wanted to see what lesson I learned from that. see what lesson I learned from that. And I learned a pretty sweet lesson as far as why humans possibly needed to hunt. As far as it sucks. Yeah. Well, yeah, it devotes so much time and you're eating, I call them like bitter leafy greens,

just sticks and twigs and it tastes like shit. And how much calories can you get out of that though not that much i i mean you you can get enough and what i call it is like getting enough energy to go out hunting because you at some point are going to want a substantial meal and even just i mean obviously like three days you aren't gonna you could you can, you know, you don't need that food. But when you're working and doing things, like if you were going out hunting, yeah, you're burning a lot of calories to try to get a bigger score that you can have for a longer period of time. Whereas foraging, you're just kind of constantly gathering.

Little salads, like little salads with no dressing. So monotonous. You would eat through that so quick, too. Your body would just, like, light that on fire. salads with no dressing like you would so monotonous eat through that so quick too your body would just like light that on fire at some point when you're eating i mean like real bitter stuff like chicory and dandelions and crap and it's just so bitter you're like yeah it's like i'll just go hungry just longing for some newman's own salad dressing something cook it i was like this slug would probably be better than that.

Now, when you ate the slug, and you said that there was a worm that you could possibly get, the brain worm, did you know about that beforehand? No. Apparently, I've done a lot of things that I find out. I like to do things and then research afterwards. It's kind of like trial by fire. I've dodged a lot of bullets.

I guess. I think they eat rat shit that has something in it Who does? Bears do? Slugs Slugs eat rat shit But it would be in their intestines I know enough To not eat Intestines of a lot of things

I didn't even know slugs had intestines I thought they were just a slug A whole tract going on. A whole tract going on. Yeah. Well, I've fed, my chickens love snails. Right. They'll fuck a snail up, man.

If they find a snail, my chickens are funny, man. They'll stand by. Like, if I'll pick up a rock, they'll wait around the rock, and I'll lift up the rock, and they fucking swarm under the rock looking to get at whatever's in there. Like they know now. Their brains are so small. They're so stupid. But they know now that when I go near a rock, I'm going to pick it up for them.

They know there's some shit underneath that rock. They go after it. But when they see a snail, they'll fucking fight over it. They'll check each other out of the way and jack that snail. Yeah. They're predatory little fuckers. Snails are a lot better than slugs. I put my reworn seal of approval.

But you ate everything raw. You didn't try to cook anything? No, I cooked stuff too. Did you? Yeah. You'll have to watch the episode. I ate something that might even make fear factor. Really?

But it was good. I was like, ooh, hey, this is delicious. Now, what about, I saw the Otter episode, and you held your breath for like four minutes, right? Yeah, a little over four minutes. That's crazy. I did it in this studio. I had that guy, the Iceman, Wim Hof. Have you heard of that guy?

No. He's the guy that summited Everest in his shorts with no shirt on. Wow. Yeah, with ice shoes on. That's cool. He ran a half marathon in Finland at 30 below zero weather with no shoes and shorts with no shirt on. Wow. endurance and cold and the ability to withstand cold, swam, supposed to swim 50 yards under the ice to this hole in Antarctica. And was it Antarctica? No, I don't remember. Wherever it was.

Somewhere cold as fuck where he swam under ice. Anyway, it was so cold, the water was so cold that his eyeballs froze and he couldn't see. So he couldn't find where the hole is to pop up at 50 yards in. So he swam back and forth. So he wound up swimming. The actual distance was over 100 yards underwater. That's crazy.

With one breath. Yeah. That's insane. Because holding your breath in cold water is super hard. Yeah. It's really hard. That's one of the things we found on Fear Factor. We would put these people in cold water and make them do these stunts.

As soon as you get in there, you're You start shivering and you're using up your oxygen. Have you ever tried the long breath hold thing? The longest I've ever held it was on the show. Two minutes and like 30 seconds or something like that. That two and a half minute

threshold, once you It's a crazy experience. Because everybody can hold their breath for that four or five minutes i think yeah well you did it the first time you only did it for a couple minutes right well just like straight out of the gate no practice just a minute and a half and then yeah and by the end of the few hours i was holding my breath for over four minutes and this was just someone teaching you a method mm-hmm well really it's just a mental thing yeah it was just knowing that you aren't gonna die when your body's screaming that you

are it's a weird but once you break the once you break through that threshold you're like like and even when I got up I was thinking thinking to myself, I could have gone longer. Really? Yeah, because he was there, and the first thing they teach you is like when you're with a dive buddy or whatever, these things. He's like, breathe. The first thing he tells you is breathe because you get up, and you forget to breathe. Like everybody blacks out at the surface because it's almost like you figure it out. You really don't need air. It's just the mental aspect of thinking that you do. It's really weird.

And they kind of explain the whole stages of your body that you'll go through and then know when you actually do need to breathe. And it's like the coolest feeling, though, when you get up and you're like, wow. It's a mental thing and a physical thing, and it's a cool feeling. Well, it's a primal terror. Yeah. Not having any air is a primal terror. Yeah.

It makes people panic. And when you're exhausted, that's one of the things that MMA fighters do to each other. When they're exhausted, they'll cover the other guy's mouth and nose, and it's a legal tactic. And you'll see it, like, in grappling matches. Like, a guy will have a guy's back, and he's trying to choke legal tactic and you'll see it like in grappling matches like where guys a guy will have a guy's back and he's trying to choke him he'll cover his hole cover his mouth and his in his nose you see the girl like and when you try to move that guy's hand that's what will choke you because you're exposing your neck like you might be defending your neck and then they just cover your mouth hole and then you have to you have to open up a little

to try to stop the covering your mouth and that's when they get an arm under your neck yeah and once you start to panic you use up all that yeah that essential oxygen well wim hof has held his breath for seven minutes and i was like jesus christ just sitting here he just hold it for seven minutes yeah yeah i held it for seven minutes underwater, I think, too. Yeah, there's people that can go 12 plus. But didn't David Blaine make some world record? I think so, yeah. What he did, he lung-packed with pure oxygen, is what I heard. Yeah.

Yeah, he, like, breathed in from a tank or something like that, right? And then it allows you to hold it much longer, I guess. Yeah. But still. That first, like, well, if you did two and a half minutes, that first minute feels like forever. Yeah, I probably could have kept going a little longer, but I was starting to panic.

Yeah, you just get... The other thing, though, is to initiate the mammalian dive reflex, you need to, like, splash your face with water. You need to kind of, like, lower your heart rate, kind of almost meditation-style lower your heart rate, get into a place where your body's ready for it. That's what they call it, mammalian dive reflex? Yeah, it's the same reflex that whales and all aquatic mammals use to hold their breath.

And humans have the exact same dive reflex that whales have. Have you ever heard the theory of the aquatic ape? No. You ever heard the theory of the aquatic ape? No. It's a really fascinating theory about human beings that they believe that human beings evolved around water. And that's why our babies are so fat. Because like a chimp baby, chimp babies are sinewy.

They come out of the gate like yoked. Chimp babies like this. They're fucking shredded. And our babies are so fat. And the idea is that our babies, like if you take a chimp baby and you throw it in the water apparently the little fucker will drown but if you take a human baby and you throw it in the water the baby will hold its breath right yeah that's is that mammalian dive reflex we automatically know how to hold our breath yeah that's so there's a theory swim though don't know how to swim, though. That's where it came from, that we literally evolved to be around water and we're around water,

which kind of almost makes sense when you think about the fact that the high population centers are always around ports. We're always around water, and that's how we've been traveling back and forth for eons. Well, there's a lot of food underwater as well. Yeah. Now, when you did the otter episode, did you try to eat shit that you found under the water like an otter? I did an open water spearfishing thing. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Spearfishing is like not fishing. It's like underwater hunting. Yeah, that's cool. It's fun. I've done it before, and once I did this, like learned from a guy who really knows what he's doing, I realized that everything I had done in the past probably should have killed me

the top 10 things not to do I did like what one of those things let your air out I would like as I would swim up and I would I would go I would dive pretty deep without anybody like without a buddy and just all kinds of stupid stuff so did

you do the proper calculations like Bourdain was telling me he loves scuba diving but he said one of the hardest things was learning the calculations like you've been this deep for this long so you have to go to this area and wait and then go to that area and wait like there's like calculations that you have to do to make sure you don't get the bends. You don't do that when you take a breath from the surface. Because when you're scuba diving, you're breathing compressed air. Right. So as you go different depths in the water, the pressure changes on your body.

So the amount of oxygen in that space changes. So if you take a breath, like if you dove down, took a breath from compressed air and went up, your lungs would explode'd be dead whoa that's why when you free dive it's one breath you can't you can't be down there and go emergency sipping on oxygen and then shoot up to the surface because you'll float right up to the top and explode oh wow so you gotta if you take it from the surface your lungs change with the space of air if that makes sense that does make sense so as you dive deeper your lungs compact but what that does is it puts the same amount of oxygen a smaller amount of space so it's almost like you feel you have more breath i guess and but you feel the pressure and then as you go up your lungs expand so kind of feels. So you can kind of play with your breath hold based on the depths that you're at.

I've never been in deep water before. But I would imagine like the pressure must feel really freaky. Like what does it feel like on your body? It just feels like. Yeah, it feels. Heavy? Heavy pressure. Wow.

And the weight of your. I never thought about that before. And so your buoyancy changes as well. So it depends how deep you're diving. But, like, I was weighted for 33 feet. So at 33 feet, I would float to the top. Below 33 feet, you sink. Oh, so you're –

So the first 33 feet, you kick down. You're kicking harder because you're floating, right? And once you get past that, you can slowly kick because, you know, to change're kicking harder because you're floating, right? Once you get past that, you can slowly kick because, you know, to change the amount of energy you're doing, you can keep going down, down, down, because as you're sinking. And then when you come back up, you need to kick hard, and then once you hit 33 feet,

you pretty much just float to the surface. So if you blacked out, as long as you're above 33 feet, you'll pop back up. Wow. So on your way up, because most of the blackouts happen at the top. What kind of crazy assholes figured out how to take air stick it in a tank connect a tube. I mean when did they first

start doing that? When did scuba diving first start getting done? I'm not sure. I know they used to pump it from the surface in the big helmets you know. Oh that's right. Yeah so they'd be on the top watching videos about that. Boy those fucking things must have leaked like crazy, too. They probably used tree sap and shit.

Just lead suit. Just drop you in like a rock. The first time somebody got the bends, they're probably like, what's wrong with this pussy? Oh, yeah. No idea. They were just making it up as they went along. But free diving is not the same issues, right? You can take a deep breath and you can go as deep as you want and come back up as quick as you want, right?

Yep. No speed. And that's how you did it. Yep. So that seems to me like super risky though, right? Like if you're down there and you're running out of air, that's got to be. No? I don't know.

I mean, it could be, I if you so i think it's like anything if you do it safely right yeah it's kind of unnerving when you dive down you look up and just like you're really deep and you're holding your breath you're holding your breath but if you start to panic you're gonna it's counterproductive right you're gonna use up your so when you feel like you're out of air and you start panicking then you're out you're gonna be out of air faster yeah now when you when you do it and you dive down and you go as deep as you can and then you're spearfishing do you have like a watch on that tells you like where you're at are you just going based on i can hang in here if i got another 30 seconds and i gotta start heading up pretty much and much. And you can drop a line down that you could almost see,

like dive by a line that has markings on it, I guess. I mean, I'm by no means a dive expert. Right. But, I mean, it's one thing that I do enjoy doing. It seems awesome. Yeah. Now, when you do do it, though, what is the longest time you've ever – I mean, you held your breath for four minutes.

What was the longest time you ever held your breath while you were free diving and spearfishing? Probably two minutes. Two minutes. Yeah. It's about half. Because you can go, what you would do is like go down, say, 40 feet and just hang for a minute and then back up. You know, it's like 30 seconds down, minute, back up to the surface. And so you're going to like a reef or something like that yeah

or just like for that episode we were in open ocean most everything i've done before was fishing around like spearfishing around reefs but this was open ocean just blue like that's kind of weird because you're kicking down there's no bottom just blue water you see a giant shark somebody you saw sharks yeah oh god and then but then you you get there you hang and you see a giant shark swim by. You saw sharks? Yeah. Oh, God. But then you get there, you hang, and you see this whole school of fish and then they come up to you. Like, big school of big fish. I mean, these are 40-pound fish.

There's a video that somebody sent me from South Africa of these guys. South Africa? Maybe Australia. Not sure. I think it was Australia now that I think about it. These guys caught a marlin and they're bringing in the marlin and a shark mauls it like feet from the boat. Like six, seven feet from the boat.

Cuts it in half and all they pull up is the fin or the nose. What do they call it? It's a big shark. What do they call the... The sword. The sword, whatever it is.

Like everything from the gill's back is gone. It was a big shark. It was a great one. It just severed it in half, smashed it. It's like, fuck that. Fuck all that. Yeah. They throw a propane tank in there and try to shoot it with a 30-06 afterwards.

Great movie. Now, when you saw the big shark, did you freak out at all? No. And it was gone as quick as it appeared. did you freak out at all no and it was gone as quick as it appeared well it was it was pretty cool though because um it i needed a break after a while because it's just kind of starting to get seasick and i got on the boat and we had dan dodie threw a line in and caught a fish and he's fighting this fish it's like sweet and then all of a sudden his rod just doubles over fish is gone that shark just hammered it took it oh my god it's pretty cool

that is cool and then the shark was gone we only saw it briefly i don't even remember what kind it was fuck but i mean it ate a 40 pound fish where were you guys again when you're fishing uh gulf of mexico off florida yeah there's a lot of fish down there and a lot of sharks. It was cool. The whole west coast of California, like down through Mexico, a lot of sharks. Apparently there's a breeding area that's around San Francisco. Like San Francisco, the great whites, they breed up there, which is very unnerving. Right outside of a city, the biggest monster predator on the planet. Between San Francisco and Alcatraz. Yeah, right there.

Yeah, where people are swimming. That's where they breed. Fuck that. Fuck all that. Have you seen that? I'm sure you've had to have seen that video. I just recently saw it, though. I'm kind of outdated.

But the surf competition where the dude, the shark grabs it. That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's crazy just we'll explain it explain explain what happened well yeah he's paddling in a surf competition then all of a sudden the guy just he just went under right yeah shark grabbed somehow went for the the board and got his leash yeah and it was funny because the announcers had no clue what was going on they're just kind of talking normal.

It'd be like you announcing UFC and a bear coming in and eating the dude and just continuing on like, oh, something strange is going on out there. Nate Diaz has disappeared from the octagon. Yeah. What about there was one that you did that was a golden eagle one. What did you do with that one? We looked at the way that the eagle uses vision and i mean they can see prey animals from up to two miles away which is insane

i've heard that about bald eagles in alaska that they can see fish on the water yeah like fish that are coming up on the surface they could see for miles yeah they say that eagles have well even as they're flying they can see things so much faster. It's almost like if you explain a camera the way it has frame rates, you can change the frame rate of a camera. It's how many frames per second. Well, we have essentially the same thing in our brain of how many images we can see per second. So if something's moving real fast, we can't see it. Whereas the eagle, as it's flying, it sees more images at once.

Plus they have two centers of focus in their eye so they can focus near and far simultaneously whereas our eyes change we look at our hands and everything else is blurry and we look at the wall and our hands are blurry but they can focus on two things at the exact same time so they're looking at it like um like like a video camera yeah instead of like a film camera yeah or a video camera this might be too technical but a video camera with a high f-stop that means that like it's but that's it's actually different like the more light you the less light you let in the more things are in focus but they have two centers of focus where our eyes just have one. Huh. Wow. Yeah.

But then we related that to using optics and being able to sit up on a mountaintop and spot animals from two-plus miles away consistently. Yeah, that's the one thing that animals haven't figured out yet, optics. Yeah. Imagine if you could get an eagle pair of binoculars. Yeah. Well, the eagle, yeah, it's got the optics built into its head. I wonder if they, I mean, they can spot things from miles away,

but I mean, I wonder if they have like a magnified vision. Yeah, they do. They do. It's just like looking through optics. I mean, they can spot things. Their visions, it's hard to quantify it as, because we use numbers with our optics, like eight times. They say an antelope has eight power binocular visions.

You throw up your eight power binoculars and it's like what an antelope sees. But they also obviously can see right in front of them when they're eating their food. So it's different. So they can see as they're flying, they can look on the hill two miles away and right below them. It's such a fast rate that they can spot things they they kind of have a search image in their head of what an animal looks like and then when they see it they key on it and fly that direction that's one of the more fascinating things about vision is that so many different animals have different kinds of vintage vision that have simultaneously evolved yeah that like the octopus which is another animal that you

study okay hands down coolest animal on the planet really i don't even know if it's from this planet now after this is so weird in what way okay their vision they don't see the octopus the one thing i was looking at is their ability to camouflage and i don't think a lot of people realize that's probably the most amazing thing about the octopus if you can find a video of octopus they can shape shift and change their color and shape instantly have you ever seen that no oh this is going to blow your mind yet we don't know how we with all of our technology we cannot replicate it and we don't know how they do it but they have chromatophores in their skin which is like pigment cells and they can change the color of their skin.

But because they have no bones, they can also adjust the shape instantaneously to match whatever's around them. Like coral. Yeah. Well, they can, whatever it is, like multiple colors. And they can match it identically, yet they don't see color. But they can match the color identically yet they don't see color but they can match the color identically so they almost feel like like we don't know how this works but there is a running theory that they somehow see through their skin that we don't understand whoa it's you got to see these videos there's there's a bunch of

videos of just octopus camouflaging themselves uh they'll there's one clip that we use in the show where it goes up to this rock and instantly morphs itself. It's a live-action cloaking mechanism. Crazy. There's live? That's a great way of describing it. This one... I'm going to have a tough time showing it to the audience because YouTube might take it down.

Right. Okay, well, let's just show it to us. We'll show it so we won't put it on the well what's the name of this so for people okay shape-shifting octopus okay so we'll get it we'll we'll look at it and people on youtube go fuck yourself slow motion right now so it's a slow motion and it's oh my god whoa you can see that octopus? Whoa. What the fuck, man?

And people don't really know that they do that. Well, describe what we're looking at for people that can't see this. The octopus goes to a rock that has multiple textures on it. I would say there's some kelp and some kind of plant materials, a brown rock. or some kind of plant materials, a brown rock, it changes its skin to match probably three, what do you see, three, four colors in there? Well, that's not even a rock. And the texture.

That's a plant. Yeah, it's a plant. So it became that algae. Exactly. That's fucking insane. I need to see that again. That is insane. I had no idea they could do that.

They do it instantaneously too. There's some videos of it where it does it so it's so fast within a second it changes so i had to play it in slow motion so that right there we're looking at an octopus that is insane that's insane that is fucking insane that is a goddamn alien and then he shoots watch and disappears yeah so he follows it and then it does it again boom clung down so now now if you were looking down on it it's matching the the spots and everything of the ground that is insane that is insane so now it's a slow motion version of it i want to see the fast motion version of it again, because it doesn't even make sense. But the slow motion version is really cool too. Like right,

we're looking at this thing, and I swear, it has all the bumps of algae. It looks like the predator. Yeah. Like from the movie, like when it becomes the octopus again. It's a cloaking mechanism.

We can't, think about all the, that's what I was talking about earlier, as far as camouflage goes. We put so much science into camouflage, and this is the et al be all of camouflage. If we could figure that out as far as any application for it, that's what we aspire to. And yet with all of our technology, I hopped in a plane and flew all this way while I was emailing someone across the country simultaneously, yet we can't figure out how the octopus does that.

That is a... I had no idea. I had no idea. Because, I mean, we're not exaggerating this, folks. If you're watching this or if you're listening, you really have to watch this. I've never seen this before. Isn't it crazy? So one of the things is we brought this to light in the show is this is the fact that people should learn about the octopus.

And it's not like a thing it does every once in a while it does it constantly it's always doing that look at this one whoa and every species of octopus what the fucking colors man crazy this is incredible the shapes it's amazing well they're so oh j Christ. They just turned into some stripe thing. They'll also make themselves look like another... Almost look like a predator. So if something bigger is coming at them, they'll boom, flash and make an eye and crazy stuff to protect themselves. Wow.

I almost feel bad eating them, but they're my favorite sushi. Yeah. I really enjoy them. It's okay. They're completely delicious when they're boiled, too. They live very, very short lives as well. Do they? And their brain capacity, they advance so fast.

An octopus lives about two years. That's it? Even these giant Pacific octopus, maybe, I guess, well, I just think they live, I can't remember exactly, three, four years maybe, tops. That's it. Yeah. But they learn rapidly. They can figure out, what the fuck. Tops. That's it. Yeah. But they learn rapidly. They can figure out. What the fuck is that?

That's an octopus. What the fuck is that? It looks like a bear with an algae suit on, and it's running on two legs. While looking like a stick. While looking like some piece of floating coral or some plant matter. That is insane insane I literally had no idea yeah that's the most that's probably one of the most amazing

things I discovered while doing this shit or just like did you have any idea before this I had not to this capacity and I'm thinking to myself like how did I not know I feel like I know a decent amount about a lot of things there should be I wish I could find the I wish we had that episode going right now.

It's going to air here in a few weeks. Well, when it airs, text me when that one's going to air. You need to watch it. It's cool. The next day, we'll play some clips from it if we can. You guys won't pull us off YouTube, right? Nah, nah. You can do whatever you want.

He pulls us off YouTube. I really had no idea. Look at that, man. I thought they just became like the color. I didn't know that they could assume the texture of algae. And when we're talking about the texture of algae, we're not exaggerating. I mean, it looks like leaves. And it goes to the sand.

Look at that. And then goes back. Look at the speed that it changes instantaneously instant and they're really fucking smart too that's the other weird thing so we were in the

this wasn't on the show so I don't mind talking about it because there was this one octopus and we had we were just kind of like messing with it and they grab you know their suckers are pretty strong and on you and we had this we were just kind of like messing with them. They grab, you know, their suckers are pretty strong and on you. And we had this, we would use these little pieces of fish. And there was this thing that was like a wand where we could kind of lure it out. Well, it had figured out the fish was sitting up on the top of the tank.

So it like distracted us by grabbing the wand. And as we're doing this, arm reaches reaches up grabs the whole dish and brings it in it's like screw you guys i'm not playing your game anymore it was so weird like smarter than i was well you've heard about the um the fish tank that was missing the guy was missing like some really expensive tropical fish and he had two fish tanks across from each other and they set up a camera and he watched the octopus climb out of one tank, go across the floor, climb up the other tank, lift up the lid, climb inside, jack the fish, eat it, climb back out of the tank, go across the floor again, back into his tank. Yeah, the Denver Aquarium where we did this episode at had locks on the octopus tank top. Padlocks.

Look at that, man. It's crazy. It makes you wonder, like, what kind of life is out there in the universe? If this is on our own planet and that is an alien. It's weird. And I've heard that they can figure out if you put a fish. What the fuck is that? Look at this.

Dude, if you saw that on the ground, if something just popped up like that on the ground and looked like that, you'd say, oh, this is obviously some sort of a poisonous fucking monster. I got to run away from this thing. And they'll change based on thinking predators are after them. And that looks like a poisonous moray eel right there. It's like white. Yeah. Or I mean a...

Black and white stripes. And then the fact that it can go from black and white stripes to all tan and looking like a piece of coral to green and looking like algae. What the fuck? Look at that. The crab's like, hey, bitch. And it's puffing its body up to look bigger. Yeah, and it's going to eat that crab is what it's going to do. The crab knows it, too.

That's the fucked up thing about it They'll jack crabs and lobsters and shit and they just engulf them and then inside of them. They have this beak Yes, have you seen the the evidence of the Kraken that they found the fossil evidence? No pull that shit up Jamie they Recently discovered I think within the last five or six years they discovered these fossilized suction cups from an enormous octopus. And they think that at one point in time, the idea of the Kraken, like that was like a mythological creature. Yeah. That there was some enormous octopus that would take out boats and shit and kill people. They think there really was something that was that big now.

Well, there's quite a few species of like even giant squid that we've never actually seen alive. Maybe now we have, but. Well, we've seen a few of them now, but yeah, but they're really recently too, like within the last decade. Like, look at that. They think this is from a 100 foot long octopus. It's a fossil. Imagine a 100 foot octopus that's as smart as they are they would kind of tap one side of the boat as you go look over the yeah I'm sure it's crazy well they probably jack people out of boats they probably really

did if they found out they could eat people I mean look a person especially back then people were tiny yeah you know like the average Roman soldier I think was only like five foot two or something like that or 5'3. People were really little back then. Like Civil War, in the Civil War, the average man that was fighting in the Civil War was 130 pounds. They were like tiny little people because nobody had any fucking food. They hadn't figured out proper hunting methods. They weren't recreationally working out either.

We're just working. There was no weight-gaining powder that you buy from GNC. No one was doing squats. And these fucking giant 100-foot octopus probably would jack those people. I mean, it only makes sense. They would just... Why would they... They don't have morals.

You know, the idea that, well, the humans are our friends. No. They'd flip that boat over. But imagine just looking in the water and seeing a 100-foot octopus. I mean, a 100-foot octopus is many times bigger than the room we're in. Right. Yeah, and they change their size, too. They fill up, I mean, an ambassador.

Many times bigger than this fucking room we're in, man. Door to door here, from here to here, how big is this place? What would it be? 20 feet? 20 feet, maybe. Five times bigger than that, a fucking octopus! That's crazy. Jesus, Jamie!

Is that just its head? I think it's whole body, from tip to tip to head. I think they found it in Nevada, too. Oh, Jesus. Of course. Probably at the Berlin Berlin ichthyosaurus area. Yeah, probably if they found in Nevada That means Nevada was probably underwater just like parts of Montana that they keep finding the great basin Lake whose largest Lake North America look at that man. Look at that Look at that, man. Look at that.

Ichthysaur. How do you say that? Ichthysaur State Park in Nevada may be a part of the beak of an ancient giant cephalopod such as an octopus or a squid. Yeah. Wow. I used to go there, look around as a kid. You'd find cool stuff. Yeah, okay. So this was 2013 that they found this.

So I was reading this thing about um it was on dig and you know dig is a great uh website like a portal to uh a bunch of other like really cool articles and it had one of them where they were saying that we'll never find all the dinosaurs because of the nature of gathering fossils right fossils they find apparently see if you can find that article because i don't want to misquote it but I think they were saying that they find two new species of dinosaur a month

wow yeah yeah like what so I think the name of the article is you will never find all the dinosaurs but I think that was one of the things that they were saying was there are so many dinosaurs we're finding but the nature of a fossil being discovered, or created rather,

when we die, most likely we will not be fossils. We'll just rot, and then we'll get eaten by bacteria or whatever, and rodents, and whoever the fuck eats our bones, and that'll be the end of it. If you leave, I mean, I'm sure many times you've stumbled across some bones out in the woods. Yeah.

There were some animal. And what you're saying is just like what remains. And if you came back in 10 years, that'll be gone too. Yeah. Well, think about a million years. Think about 10 million years. Now think about 65 million years was the last time we had dinosaurs. Now think about 250 million years was another extinction event so look at that

you're not finding so that yeah so you see if you find the um what what the number is because if you scroll down they were talking about it was what part of the article was um how often they find this is not the same article although it has the same um just i think it's the same uh you know it might have been an aggregate thing where they they took it from one scientific study and made a bunch of uh articles about the uh with the same title but they they don't know they don't don't know how many dinosaurs they were they don't know what the fuck they all looked like and it's probably a shitload of them that everybody ate and they can't find any fossils of them. Like the chickens of the dinosaur world.

Like, good luck finding them. The bottom of the food chain. Well, that's why it's amazing to me when they find something like that hobbit person, you know, that thing that they found in the island of Flores. Do you know about all that? I heard about it. It was 13,000 years ago was the closest one, or the most recent one, rather. And it was a tiny little human-type thing that was like three feet tall when it was fully grown.

And it was like humanoid. And it was smaller brain than a human. Dwarfs. Yeah, like a hobbit. But it wasn't like dwarfism. No. No. Well, there was like a hobbit. But it wasn't like, like dwarfism. No, no. Well, that was, that was, there was a debate about that, but then they found enough fossils

where they said, nope, this is a totally different thing. At first they were saying, you know, first, I think the first, first discovery they were saying, this is a new species, but they were pretty cautious about it. They were saying, well, it might be someone who has some sort of a weird disease. Then they found a bunch of them. And then there was some speculation that they believe they're wiped out by people because they were cannibalizing people. They were coming after people, and people were coming after them,

and there's a war between us. Angry hobbits. Yeah, little hobbits that eat people. I don't know if they know. That might be all horseshit, though. That might be just total speculation. I mean, I would speculate, too. Why not?

Exactly. But, I mean, exactly like what you're talking about with the giant kraken, the giant octopus. Of course it would eat people. Everything would eat people. We have this weird idea because we live in cities and we think of hippos as being something with a tutu on and a fucking bow in its hair. Well, they don't want to eat us. Of course they do. They want to eat everything they can eat.

If they can eat you, they definitely want to eat you. They don't not want to eat you because you have a beard and you have an eye exactly you know the ones that could really inflict damage though for some reason don't eat like the one i'm most scared about killer whales yeah they're so smart if they decided to just all of a sudden gang up on humans we would be at at such a loss. We would never go in the ocean again. Yeah, we'd be fucked. As long as Netflix stays out of the ocean and they don't watch Blackfish, we're safe. But as soon as they find out what happened

at the end of that movie... It's so fucking wrong. Well, it's so crazy that we still keep them in captivity because we've always kept them in captivity. Because if we didn't ever have them captive and we discovered them in the ocean, these super intelligent creatures, and we found out about their capabilities, we found out about their language, the fact they have dialects, the fact they live in these complex, ordered societies,

they stay with the same pod for life, they have family, like deep connections with these other orcas that they consider their family. And then we just steal them. Steal them and stick them in a fish tank. Communicate across the oceans through essentially whale internet. Wow. Yeah, it's nuts. Crazy. And then we're assholes. We stick

them in a tank and fat people eat cotton candy and stare at them. Yeah! Make it jump higher! This is a rip-off like we're assholes we're fucking really shitty animals to do that to whales and to killer whales it's really shitty yeah well there was a um a thing that uh i was listening to this ted talk where they were talking about uh about sustainable organisms and that a lot of the logic that we apply to hunting and trapping some organisms thinking that we're going to help the food chain out doesn't wind up helping.

And one of them was whales, that the Japanese had made this idea, they had this idea, well, if we hunt a certain amount of whales, we'll have more fish and more krill because the Japanese eat all these krill or the whales rather eat all these krill. And if we hunt the whales, it'll help the krill and the fish population. But apparently that's not the case because one of the reasons why there's so much krill is because of the whales, because the whales will let loose these enormous shits. They come up and just shit these giant clouds of whale shit and algae grows from that and then the krill are attracted to the algae and the krill eat the algae and they

they they that's what sustains them so when they started hunting the whale it actually lowered the population of krill and they had they had to like put it all together. That's a crazy cycle. Yeah. We never really know what we're messing with, I think. We know so little. And that's the thing. One of the things, you know, people might say that aren't into hunting. Well, let's just leave it the way it was. Release all the wolves and then let nature take care of itself. But that's an impossible idea.

It's an impossible thing because we've already affected the landscape so much yeah that nothing i mean especially with non-native species and invasive plants and habitat deforestation and so many other things that the fact the thought of just like letting nature run itself isn't even an option now and then you even look at it even further and go like human hunters have been in the equation since all these animals have been here yeah when when is the elk existed when humans haven't hunted it i don't know an answer to that because there isn't one well no one knows the answer you'd have to go past 10 000 years you'd have to go past the ice age years. You'd have to go past the Ice Age. Right. It's like, well, the wolves were not the only predators on North America since humans have been here. No.

Well, there was lions. Yeah. All kinds of species. We're going to bring back that. We're going to find that lion or find some DNA from it and bring it back from extinction. We don't even know why those things went extinct. Nobody bothered to write that down. Yeah. Oh, we did't even know why those things went extinct. Nobody bothered to write that down. Yeah.

Oh, we did that. You know, nobody knows. There's still debate as to what happened to the woolly mammoth. Some people still think that it was humans. There was some paper that was recently published that was saying that there was evidence that they were coming into estrus younger and younger and that this was because of hunting pressure. They believe it was because of hunting pressure. Could have been pure speculation.

Could have been hunting from other predators as well. Could be. It was pure speculation, I mean, mixed with some evidence. But there's also some evidence that they died in a giant mass extinction that people like Randall Carlson have connected to an asteroidal impact. And it was also roughly the same time period as the end of the Ice Age. So they think that asteroidal impacts slammed into the Earth, and not just even global warming, but just massive asteroidal impacts all over the planet,

that there was some sort of a mass extinction event worldwide that coincided with the end of the ice age and the um the different eras of uh construction methods for uh things like the old kingdom in egypt um giant archaeological digs like gobekli tepe i'm having a um randall carlson and this guy graham hancock on they're going to be on November 19th. And Graham Hancock just wrote a book about it called The Magicians of the Gods. And he had an old one that was super popular. It sold like millions and millions of copies called Fingerprints of the Gods.

And then it's all basically asserting. Back then, he was trying to put the pieces together and saying there's evidence of lost civilization. And the way he described it, he said we are essentially a civilization with amnesia. And that something happened somewhere along the line. And there's all this evidence of these ancient structures that were made by advanced civilizations. We really don't have any idea. And it just keeps going in circles. Yeah.

And it makes sense that natural disasters did it. Right. Yeah, and it makes sense that natural disasters did it. Right. And then between the time of him publishing that book and Randall Carlson coming around, and Randall Carlson's been dedicating his whole life to researching asteroidal impacts and natural disasters that are caused by global collisions, you know, things coming from the sky and slamming into the earth. But he's amassed a giant database of factual evidence that, you know, from other sources. So it's not like him finding this stuff, but it's like they've discovered things like tritonite, which is, I think I'm saying it right, but it's a nuclear glass and all over Europe and Asia. And when they do those core samples of the earth,

it cuts down around 12,000 years. And that, that nuclear glass happens when they do nuclear tests, but it also happens when meteors impact the earth. So they found this shit all over the place at about 12,000 years. Which means there was just a fucking, we were a shooting gallery 12,000 years ago. It's crazy to think we're so stable right now and then one meteor could ruin it and then we need to get really good with those crossbows.

We've got to make our own bows. Yeah. We've got to make our own sticks. And if you're living in a place like LA, you're going to have to start fighting off people. There's not going to be enough food. No. Well, there's enough people, I guess. Yeah.

We're going to have to start eating them. Eat the fat, slow ones. I think I'll stay in the mountains for that one. Yeah. That's a good idea. You'll be like, hey, want to come down and do a podcast during the apocalypse? Be like, can I do it from my phone? Well, that's the other thing is that once the power goes out, we're not going to have

any access to hard drives. We're not going to have any access to phones. We're not going to have any access to hard drives. We're not going to have any access to phones. We're not going to have any access to the grid. And if the grid's out for more than a couple of years, it's going to stay out. You don't know how to fix it. I don't know how to fix it. I have no clue how the things I use work. If we killed off 70% of the population, we would be right back to the Stone Age. Yeah. Because the idea that those 30%, that we would be lucky enough to have people who are so innovative and so educated that they would be able to figure out how to restart civilization, no.

I'm still not sure that this phone isn't somewhat magic. Does anyone know how it works? Well, it is magic, but so is that octopus. And they're both made by nature. I mean, the phone is natural. It just doesn't seem natural because people made it, but people are natural. Right.

And people's curiosity is natural. And the phone is just as natural as a fucking beaver dam. It really is. It's just some weird thing that a natural creature has figured out how to do when given enough time and enough source material, enough sharing information with these other weird monkeys, and one monkey figures out a diode, and the other monkey figures out how to make glass and this monkey figures out how to

forge metal and this monkey figures out how to write code and they all get together and next thing you know you got an iphone yeah it's cool or you got an octopus you know or you got an iphone you can watch yeah i mean that's the other thing about the octopus is when all this shit has happened on Earth, as far as there was, I want to say where it was, I'm trying to remember, when they've knocked it down to, they believe that there was one point in time there was only a few thousand human beings left on Earth. And it wasn't long ago, it like 70 000 years ago and they've coincided it with the um explosion of one of the world's great super volcanoes and that it put the

earth into nuclear winter for a long period of time most of the plants died most the animals died a giant percentage of the population of human beings died and that's why there's so little biodiversity amongst human beings or genetic diversity amongst human beings died and that's why there's so little biodiversity amongst human beings or genetic diversity amongst human beings i god i can't remember where the um indonesia i want to say i might be wrong where the super volcano was that went off but um see if you find that super volcano 70 000 years ago killed off giant percentage of the population like all these preppers are ready for the yellowstone super volcano and it's gonna be well those guys are idiots because they go on tv and everybody knows they're in pasadena they're just gonna fucking go right to that guy's

house because he's got canned peaches and bullets was it in indonesia toba in indonesia yeah so that that super volcano that erupted 70 000 years ago basically almost killed us off we got down to a few thousand people and yeah I mean we've got real close a few times so 70,000 years ago I mean obviously people weren't that advanced but whatever they did know they got down to nothing you know we get down to 2,000 people there's 2,000 of us that's it's a giant episode of Naked and Afraid you're like oh remember back when I was your age we actually had things

yeah I mean all the shit that we have right now that we think of as cool like televisions and all I have this I have the most retarded theory

when it comes to all this stuff I think that what we're essentially doing is preparing to give birth to an artificial life that's what I think I think that we're're essentially doing is preparing to give birth to an artificial life. That's what I think. I think that we're essentially like a technological cocoon and that we're going to become some sort of an electronic, artificially created butterfly.

That's what I think. I think that's one of the reasons why we have these inclinations towards materialism because materialism feeds this desire to constantly innovate and continue to come up with newer, better shit. Like we were talking about with bows. Like Cam Haines' new bow. He doesn't need a bow. Killed two fucking grizzly bears. His bow's perfect. His bow's perfect.

But Hoyt has to come up with a new bow every year. So they will make a bow that's even better than that bow. And it'll come out next year or this year. But this desire to constantly innovate and look for the biggest, bestest, newest, greatest, latest thing is what causes innovation. And that innovation will ultimately lead to artificial life. I just think it's inevitable. I think if you extrapolate, look at where everything's going, there's no way around it. And while that's going on, I'll still be in the mountains.

Yeah, you'll be out there with a bugle. Like, oh, there's robots that do stuff? Well, I'm still out here. Meanwhile, I mean, what's more fun? Is it more fun to play video games or elk hunting? Well, I've done both, and I'll tell you right now, elk hunting is way cooler. I think so. And when it's over, first of all, it's way cooler than a video game, and it's real.

And when it's over, you get to, it's way cooler than a video game, and it's real. And when it's over, you get to eat. Yeah. It's a good deal. Dude, when I shot that elk that's out there in the lobby, and it was walking up the hill, and I'm hiding behind a tree at full draw for like 30 seconds as it's walking up the hill, and I know that it's going to be within 20 yards of me. It's close. And it's going to be right there, and it's stomping. And it's 1,000 pounds.

And it's screaming. Like, there's nothing like that. There's nothing like that. It's exciting. Especially that close. It's like, you feel like they're just going to see. Like, they just look right through. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Well, they're just so big. Yeah. They're so big. Were you sitting on the ground? We were standing. I was standing. I was right. Yeah. They're so big. Were you sitting on the ground? We were standing. I was standing. I was right.

There's just two trees together. And there was like a little gap between them where you could see the elk coming up the hill. And we're like looking at him coming. And he was coming in hot. Coming in hot, pissing all over himself. And just there was a, we got real lucky. Like we went out. We're at this place called Tohon Ranch.

And when we went out on this trail, we got to this place where these elk were fighting. And just a couple males had got together. And they were like, fuck you, no fuck you. Crash. Which was like some Jurassic Park shit. Even if you have no desire to hunt, folks, I just encourage you, around September, find somewhere, whether it's Colorado or Utah or California,

anywhere where there's elk are, and just have someone take you out near them and just listen. That's crazy. It's so cool. They make the coolest sounds. I mean, they're very vocal, very aggressive. Yeah. It's cool.

Well, the sounds that they make, if you've never heard them before. Dude, that's pretty good. I recorded them. I got a, hold on a second. Let me see if I can find it here. I've got a video where I recorded it. See if I can get some of them where you can hear it. The cows are cool.

I mean, the cows even make a weird high pitched. Yeah. You know? Yeah, that's weird weird too like they're communicating with each other it's a very it's a very strange animal man here i gotta play this that's that's the call yeah that's my friend Brian, who's making the noise. And he's trying to pull them closer to us. But you hear them off in the distance. They start screaming. That's it. But that thing you hear in the background, that's elk screaming at each other.

Yeah, beagling. Yeah. The loud one's fake. This one's real. Eh. I don't know where my best one is, but... They make some weird... Those red deer, which are fairly related to elk, very similar, but they roar instead of bugle. Yeah, they sound like lions.

Yeah, they sound like lions. They look like something out of Dr. Seuss, too. Yeah. They don't look, like stags don't look real. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, especially like caribou don't look real either. Yeah, their antlers are way too big for their head. They look stupid.

Yeah. I took my dad caribou hunting this year. That was really fun. And he shot a big caribou. And it's like the antlers themselves, that's the hardest part to carry out because it's just cumbersome. It's awkward. Awesome trees growing out of an animal's head. Well, between them and moose and elk, it's like, how did this happen?

Where they evolved uniformly to have these super similar, bizarre, tree-like growth growing out of their head that they only use when they're fucking. Yeah, and then they lose them. And after they've done fucking, they lose them. Just gone. And then they grow them back. Well, we found, Brian, my friend from Tohon Ranch, found a dead elk that got stabbed by another elk. They were duking it out, and one of them just ran the other one through with his antlers and killed him. And he was a big elk, too, like a big 6x6.

Huge, 1,000-pound dead elk with holes in his body. Yeah, that'll happen. I've seen, well, at least red deer, but when they fight, and then the third one, when they get in a fight with three, and the one just kind of side punches them while they're fighting. Sucker punches them. Yeah. It's always that bitch. Yeah.

He's not even involved in the fight. No, he's not even. He wasn't even in the running. It's just so crazy that this has been going on like this for thousands of years. That's how they do it. They grow trees out of their head. They smash into each other, and the girl's like, all right, you can fuck me. I like the the way you tree fight but the elk are probably looking at

us going like look they're in dudes are into belly shirts now they're like that's so weird oh he's got the best metal box that he drives around in now he gets to fuck yeah yeah it's all it's all nature itself i mean the octopus i mean it the octopus is way weirder than anything you'll ever see in the world of the ground, the land world. That's more bizarre than anything I think I've ever seen in my life. The oceans really are our largest wilderness. I mean, it's huge. I think there's a lot we don't know about it.

There's some crazy stuff. I think most of the stuff you... If it wasn't... That's the thing that I think about like the Kraken. It's this legend or Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot or whatever. And then once we identify it, oh, it's just an octopus. Yeah. You know what I mean?

If we didn't know octopus existed and we're like, there's this animal in the ocean that shape shifts and changes colors and inks and can look like other animals. Yeah. It's really smart and we give it some crazy name, you know, and then we find it and it's just normal. Once we identify it and it's a real thing, it becomes boring. It's just normal. It's an octopus.

What is that? What is that? We have a weird desire to only chase the unknown. I don't know. That's a strange thing when it comes to nature. The discovery of new species, it's a precedent above all. Like they've found a new frog. But the the discovery of new species is it's a precedent above all like they've found a new frog but at the end of the day it's just a fucking frog

but even if it does the most amazing thing we've never say the frog did the same thing the octopus does changes its shape and color and everything after about a week you're like no it's a frog that changes color cool yeah what's next oh there's probably a monkey man out there yeah if we found Bigfoot, that's what it would be. Yeah. If we actually found Bigfoot, it would be pretty cool,

but we would just open a Bigfoot world right next to SeaWorld and that would be... You'd be over it. Yeah. You'd be like, oh, well, it's just

a hairy monkey. And then we find out he's stupid. Yeah. He's not even as cool as Orcas. And he doesn't even like Jack Link's beef jerky.

Yeah, and he hates John Lithgow. Yeah. He sees John Lithgow, he starts screaming, Harry and the Hendersons is bullshit! Yeah, that is the one disappointing thing about my friend Les Stroud, is that he's still looking for Bigfoot, doing that Survivorman Bigfoot show. I don't know, man. He believes in it, man.

I love that guy, but the guy he goes with, though, I think is a fucking total bullshit artist. I got approached by a dude, and I was at some show somewhere doing a trade show type thing. Guy's talking to me all serious about how he goes, and he had a business card, too, which makes it real legit. He's like, I'm a squash hunter, and he's a business card too, which makes it real. He's like, I'm a squash hunter.

And he's talking about the family groups and he knows their intricacies and he could show me and he wants me to come out there and film it for solo. And I was like, trying to fuck you. Yeah. I was like, dude, one who's crazier. You that you either,

you either believe this bullshit or you're just a straight-up liar in which case that would make me an idiot yeah forever going out there well there's a lot of crazy people out there for sure but it's the romantic thing about bigfoot it's so romantic to people i had this guy tell me that it was a government conspiracy to hide Bigfoot because of the logging industry. He goes, think about it. Think about it. They shut down the logging industry for a spotted owl. What do you think they would do if we found a giant monkey? Think about it.

I just did. It makes no sense. Well, Brunello was talking about it on his podcast recently. He's like, where's the scat? Where's the shit? Where's the droppings? Bigfoot would drop giant logs. You'd find it.

My thought is, I'm out in some wild places a lot. If I ever saw a Bigfoot, I don't even know if I would care that much to tell anyone. I'd be like, oh, okay. That was cool. Come on, you would care. No, because you'd just be the crazy guy. Do you want to be that guy? I don't.

I'm like, okay, well, it's there, whatever, I guess. It's true. Who cares? Yeah, you might want to just keep it to yourself. Yeah, whatever. But even if you told your friends, like, Remy's losing it. I think he fell on his head. Yeah.

What we think is he probably fell on his head while he was out. Maybe a coconut. Maybe he got jacked by a coconut while he was out elk hunting. My favorite is the people, they're just like walking I thought I saw something over there. But, and then it wasn't there, so it was a Bigfoot. That's my favorite. I tell these people, I was alone

once and I thought I saw a wolf. Oh yeah. For like two seconds, it was a squirrel. Yeah. It was a squirrel! I thought it was a wolf. People driving down the roads, when you see like a house cat in an open field, it looks like a black panther. That happens all the time. All the time. Lack of perspective in the distance.

It looks huge. I was talking to the guy when we did the bear episode. The biologist was like, yeah, to be honest, most of my work is just people calling saying they see panthers and mountain lions that just turn out to be house cats. He's like, that's the majority of my work. That's crazy. Feeding calls like that. Well, they've done that in England where they've spotted panthers in England. Yeah.

And they were trying to figure out what it is. And most people think that it was actually just cats, house cats. But, you know, you get a big, fat house cat and it's dark out and you're shitting your pants because you're alone. Yeah. Everything looks bigger. Spooky. house cat and it's dark out and you're shitting your pants because you're alone yeah everything looks bigger spooky like i really did think this fucking squirrel was a wolf for like a whole a second or two because i was eating out of your bird feeder no no we're in alberta put this drink down i gotta stop it with the myth yeah we were uh in alberta and um we knew that there was wolves in the area there's there's a lot of wolves in the area. In fact, they started, uh, they, they hunt them quite a bit up there now. Um, because

they're, they're having a lot of problems with them because they can't figure out what the real numbers are. Their grizzly problems are even bigger in Alberta because the, they, they don't have a season on grizzlies and grizzlies aren't scared of people at all because there's no season on them. They're not, they just don't give a fuck. They just come towards people and, and they, they believe it's going to take like a couple tragedies before they open up a season on them. Yeah. But you've been to Alberta, I'm sure. I actually haven't.

You haven't? No, I want to. Well, it's like any super dense wilderness where good luck trying to count what the fuck's in there. Yeah, you have no clue. How do you, I don't even know how they do it. They do hair traps. Oh, okay.

They do DNA samples, but before that... Yeah, it's weird. Even if they do that, I mean, how can they have enough traps? You're looking at... I have some video of us driving to one of the locations we went to, and it's insane. Like, we're coming over this crest, and everywhere to the left and everywhere to the right

is just a dense forest with no fucking people anywhere there and a shitload of bears and a shitload of moose and a shitload of elk and they just don't know they just don't know no clue the only way they know is by hunters with camera traps and the catch-22 is the hunters don't want to report the grizzlies because if they report the grizzlies then they shut down the black bear hunting because right now grizzlies are endangered. Or I should say protected. They're not endangered. They see them every day. They're literally shutting down.

A lot of people don't like the idea of baiting. They don't like the idea of leaving out food. Ranella explained his own distaste for it the last time he was here. I totally get it. But if you want to hunt bears in Alberta, you have two choices. You either can't hunt them in the spring

because you'll never find them, or you hunt them in the fall when they're eating berries on hills. And you can find them there. You can spot and stalk and shoot them there. But if you want to shoot them, other than that, you have to bait. And so they bait

and they set up these bait stations they get these bears accustomed to coming into these one areas to get food well they're shutting them down all the time because grizzlies come in and my friend john rivet who is up there says dude you don't even want to see them when they come in he goes because you're looking at black bears and black bears you know big ones like 500 pounds and then all sudden this fucking bus comes in through the woods. And they come in totally different. They're not quiet. They're not trying to sneak around.

Own the place. Snapping twigs and coming in like a school bus. And he goes, and then when you see them, you're like, what the fuck? They're just so big. Just a big monster brown bear that just scares everything away, and you've got to shut the bait down and get out of there. So they shut the baits down, and then some of them, they'll take carcasses from the black bears. After they take the meat off of it, they take what's left,

and they'll throw them in the areas where the grizzlies are just to try to maintain them in that area, try to habituate them to that one area but even that good luck he's like there's a lot of them they don't really don't know they don't know how many so there was a study recently that came out that i tweeted that was showing how many there's way more grizzlies up there than they thought ever yeah that's the grizzlies are one of those things where they're kind of – their overall range is diminished. But the places they are, they're over – I would maybe not go as far as overpopulating, but they're getting there. Yeah.

They're pretty brazen. I know a lot of people that used to hunt certain areas and they say the grizzlies have gotten so bad that they just don't hunt them anymore. And a lot of that I just take with a grain of salt because I think some people just get overly spooked about things like that. But these are people that I trust and believe that they know what they're doing. Well, there's also that weird thing that happens when grizzlies get used to being around people and when people are shooting elk or deer and they hear a gunshot and they think it's a dinner bell and they come running towards where the gunshot was because they know there's going to be a gut pile that gets spooky because bears are really habitual like that's why they have to they have to capture them or kill them

when they catch them eating people's garbage because once they find garbage like that's their spot yeah it's gonna keep coming back i was doing this uh this film project thing in Alaska. And I tracked down this guy that killed a Kodiak bear with a knife, buck knife. What? Yeah. It was crazy story. Old, older guy too.

His name was Gene Moe. There's been a ton of articles written about it and like outdoor life. And if this was back, it wasn't that long ago, but I can't remember. Did he put the knife in a musket? No. I mean, you're like these bear

stories and i was just like i'm tracking down some of these bears this bear story and so he's on kodiak island kodiak brown bears are the biggest bears in the world but they don't there's not that many attacks surprisingly for the size of the bear and the many there are but there's probably also there's also not kodiak island isn't like yellowstone park i mean you don't have that many people there really so he's skinning out a deer turns around the bear it's just on him all he has is the knife so he's like trying to fight it off stabbing the thing and the bear like tear tore a piece out of his arm out of his leg picks him up shaking him around then the bear goes off and at one point he's just like thought he picks him up shaking him around then the bear goes off and at

one point he's just like thought he was done he's like yelling at the bear bear comes back and mauls him another time he's stabbing and fighting it off and then i guess he stabbed it enough times he kept like trying to feed it his arm while just like he said he was out of strength i think the bear went off started like laid down was bleeding out he might have crawled to his rifle at that point i think he i can't remember if the bear was dead or not but he shot it after the bear was just like laying there and then hikes you know three four miles back to the beach oh he was like i can't remember how old he was he had over 60 something yeah i remember this story now yeah he's in his 60s yeahs. Yeah, he was. And then he says, so then his son, they meet his son.

They take him to this. There's one cabin there where there's year-round residence. And it was actually on, I think, Raspberry Island there. And they bring him into this cabin. There's a German couple that lives there. And like he said, they brought him in the cabin. And for some reason, I cannot remember exactly why, but the dude that owned the cabin ended up taking a chainsaw and cutting out the wall so the rescuers could come in and get a stretcher and like stabilize him because he was just dying on the table. And they take him to Kodiak Hospital, do all the surgeries, skin grafts, everything, saved his life.

Ended up keeping like – he ended up buying the bear back at an auction. They made like a rug thing. They didn't give him the bear? No, because, well, in Alaska, if you kill a bear without the proper tag, it's your responsibility to skin it out and bring it in. So his son went back while he's in the hospital because you have to do it. So his son went back, skinned the bear out, turned it over to the Alaska department, and then they auctioned that stuff off or whatever that's rude yeah but he ended up with the bear and so it's kind of cool to see like you saw the bear and you saw the buck knife and there's still like the bear's hair in the buck knife oh he didn't clean it no he's got it right

next to it on the wall it was a cool experience on the wall. It was a cool experience. It was a cool experience hearing the story firsthand. Wow. It was a pretty intense story as he was telling it. Yeah, I can only imagine. It was cool. That's crazy. It would have been cooler if he didn't shoot it. Yeah.

Just buck knifed it. Yeah. That's what I think. But I mean, he did fend it off with the knife. Yeah, I guess. Well, it's amazing that it didn't get his head. Yeah. He must have

been really smart with his arms in his legs too kicking and oh fucking christ god this is just so when when you see the head like uh i've only seen uh grizzly bear head a few times but when you uh i've never seen one of them in the in the wild for when I was a kid once. I saw one in Yellowstone. But they would come up to people's car doors back then. People would feed them at Yellowstone from cars. They used to like... Oh, yeah. Remember that?

Yeah. So there's a sandwich. They would feed them. They would allow that for some strange reason. But I've seen skulls before. And when you see a skull, and it's this wide, when you think about that and it's the mass of the thing, when you're just a giant eating machine, an enormous crushing eating machine. Oh.

Yeah. The thing that I always remember when I think about grizzly bears is there's this video of a bear chasing a moose and uh chases the moose down tackles it and uh just starts eating it gut first and this moose is trying to get away and this grizzly is just eating its guts just decides just hold it down and start eating you know they didn't even bother killing it it's like i got you yeah you're mine well the grizzly doesn't hey the grizzly's not sad for it he's like he's stoked you know yeah he's pumped he is pumped but it's just the brutality of what he's doing you know the holding this thing down you've seen that video where the uh the the grizzly uh is killing a deer in this guy's yard no the deer screaming. Can you play it? Yeah. Pull it up, Jamie.

Deer in backyard and it's a brown bear's got him and it's screaming just, what? There's bears on its back and just fucking mauling it in this guy's yard and the guy's looking out the back window like, oh, fuck.

The bear's thinking, why'd you put a yard here? Exactly. Don't mad at me, me dude this is it right here look at that wow that's intense yeah and the bear for people that are just listening to this the the bear's on top of it, just jacking its back and its neck and it's screaming. The kids are standing right there. Somebody's standing right there. Oh, my God. A mule deer.

Yeah. It's a pretty big deer, too. Yeah. And not a big bear. No. It might even be a color phase, right? Yeah, it is. It's a black bear, then? It's a black big deer too. Yeah. And not a big bear. No. It might even be a color phase, right? Yeah, it is. It's a black bear then?

It's a black bear, yeah. Not all black bears are black. Yeah, color phase black bear. Yeah. For people listening, they can get like blonde even. Blonde, red. Oh my God, is that bear attacking that chick? Oh, that's a dummy that was in the zoo.

That's a lady that climbed over the fence. The polar bears are our friends. Don't make me watch this. Shut this off. I can't. I just can't. I can't. Have you ever been in a situation where you felt, like, vulnerable to animals?

No. No, I haven't. I mean, I've seen animals be semi-aggressive, but no, nothing that's real serious. Have you been in areas that have large wolf populations? I have, yeah. Like reintroduced wolves? Yeah, reintroduced wolves. Have you noticed a difference between when they were before or how they are now?

Yeah, well, now things are changing because there's a season for them and everything. Like they're managed now. In some places, right? Yeah. Not in Wyoming, right? it still doesn't have a season i believe do they maybe it's not anymore what they did for a while um i don't know what they keep changing it back and forth but uh yeah i mean there's definitely in one of the areas that i grew up hunting and guiding and all that stuff, yeah, the wolf population exploded in there. But also the elk population exploded after a fire because there's a huge dynamic between forest fires and elk. Because of this new growth? Yeah, new growth.

They need that new growth. So one of the things that really hinders, and that's the thing that comes back to humans regulating too much, is we stop. We do fire prevention and try to prevent forest fires when huge forest fires increase populations. So there's a huge ebb and flow, and when we hinder that and try not to have fires, animal populations decline, actually. So that's a huge thing, too, but that's a huge thing too that's a whole nother topic it is well it's the micromanaging of some incredibly complex systems that we don't totally understand like forest fires or like predators like we've tried to you know keep predators away from certain types of prey to allow these animals to survive and the weird thing about it is when you really look at the overall population of animals on this planet

the animals that have ever existed 90 something percent of everything that's ever existed is extinct yeah and it continue it probably will continue to be that way i would imagine unless we keep fucking with it certain animals are just there's some animals that will probably just go extinct and yeah maybe maybe humans had a huge part to do with it, and maybe others, you know, I don't know if we did. Maybe they would have gone extinct anyways. I feel like the rhino is probably on the brink now. It's pretty close. Yeah, there's, yeah, it's sad.

It's too bad. It's such a cool animal, and they're so prehistoric. Apparently they move incredibly fast. Yeah. Like, it's such a wild animal. When you look at it, like, that might as well be a stegosaurus. Like, what is the difference between that, you know, and a triceratops? Not much.

Not much. Warm blood. Yeah. I mean, some different variations in the horns. Yeah, triceratops is a cold-blooded animal, right? But were some of the dinosaurs warm? I want to say a few of them were warm-blooded. Like, some of the beings, enormous creatures that lived during that time were warm-blooded.

I think that's a more recent debate. Yeah, but on the wolves, yeah, they've definitely in reintroduced areas affected populations. And then the wolf populations then explode, like elk populations explode. Wolf population explodes. Elk population drops. Wolf populations remains large. And you would almost think, well, over time, the wolves would start to die off. But they can also just become more nomadic, kill off an area, and then just move on.

Yeah. You know? They're fucking smart, too. Yeah. You know? They're fucking smart too. Yeah. When you did that wolf episode, that was really cool. Because, you know, when you mimic the tactics that they use of chasing animals into, like, traps. Yep.

They set traps for elk. Yeah, they would... Well, a wolf hunts animals by chasing. So if an elk stands its ground, the wolves generally won't go in and kill it because they stand a risk of being injured. So they incite it to run. And as they get it on the run, then they can get it from the back end, slow it down, and kill it. And that's how they hunt. slow it down and kill it.

And that's, that's how they hunt. And yeah, so I was in that episode, me and my brother tried to do the same thing, run the elk, catch up and cut them off and, and hunt like the wolf. I mean,

they have a lot of, well, they've got a lot better stamina than us and they're just, they're just far superior at doing it. But humans are pretty good at doing it as well, which is pretty impressive. that's a big thing in Africa, right? Yeah.

Persistence hunting. Persistence hunting. Yeah. And the other thing about elk is how quick they can move up the side of a mountain. Yeah. But they tire out fast. Do they? Yeah.

If you chase it, you'll see their tongues are hanging out. They're a big, large animal. Like even you think of a horse, if you push a horse up a mountain, like you can walk up a mountain faster than a horse over a long period of time. Really? Yeah, especially in the heat. They just start to overheat. Whereas we sweat and we carry water and they're just like.

I would have never imagined that because when I see people packing out with horses, I'm like, well, that's because the horses don't get tired. No, they do get tired. I mean, they sweat still. They'll sweat. get tired and they i mean they sweat still the sweat but um they uh yeah they well a horse can carry a lot more weight than us and it's not on your back like the horse isn't complaining the next day yeah exactly he's like yeah this is fun i like fucking tired man i just don't know how to say cut the shit yeah he's like he just tries next time you go to round him up to pack he's like he's a little hard to get through the corral oh do they get sore too they must oh yeah they get sore and they sweat

you just don't push them either right like you take it slow and walk and yeah we're about out of time is there anything else you want to add or let people know? There's another way to get your show, right? Yeah. It's not just watching on television if they have that Verizon Fios problem. Yeah, if you got the Verizon Fios problem or you want maybe saw an episode, missed an episode, you want it, I know where you can get it. You do? Yeah, I do. You're a dealer.

Yeah, it's apexpredator.tv. Okay. Apex Predator. And so you can download, you can buy the season or just single episodes. And last time I was on your podcast, there,

I had a promo code and forgot to give it out. Wow. And there were seven people who were ingenious enough to type in Rogan and they got a huge deal. So there are seven people.

They figured it out. Yeah, there are just people that listen to you. There are seven of them that listen to your podcast, and when they go to buy stuff, they type in your name, and it gets them sweet deals. So your name, you just type in Rogan, and there is like a promo code. Oh, that's cool because we use that code for so many different sponsors. So you can use Rogan or JRE.

Oh, beautiful. And I would need to pull... I think it's a sweet discount. That's a cool website, too. Who did your website? ZPZ. They know what the fuck they're doing. That's badass.

That's the intro. Very cool. In the background. Very cool. And Solo Hunter, you're on some of those episodes. Tim Burnett is on the other ones. And that's on the Outdoor channel as well. And we've got those on VHX now, too.

Oh, are they really? Okay. I don't know. Yeah, there's no promo codes. Okay. And they're free on YouTube. Yeah. And those are great, too.

All right. Remy Warren, thanks a lot. Thank you very much. A lot of fun, brother. Yeah. All right, folks. We'll be back tomorrow with Daniele Bolelli. So we'll see you then. Much

love. See ya.