The Joe Rogan Experience - #721 - Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: November 11, 2015

Eddie Bravo is a jiujitsu black belt, music producer, and author. http://www.eddiebravoinvitational.com/

Two, one, yee-haw! Hedge brah. Yo. My man. I like how we could just start the podcast, like just right off. Yeah, fuck commercials. I noticed that like a week ago. Changed the flow of the conversation.

Made it way better. Yeah. Yeah, that was bullshit because it was like, you know when I really realized it was bullshit? Like I did a podcast with Stan Hope and he was making fun of the commercials while I was doing it i was like why am i doing commercials in front of them why don't i just do that later and stitch it in and i was lucky where the deal that i had for commercials was really just for itunes and so um like when i do this it goes on youtube first so as it streams on youtube and you stream no need for commercials fuck So, and then I put the ads in later. I like that.

But on iTunes and on, or on YouTube, there's no commercials. You know what it changes to is that this podcast is, most of the time anyways, is about just you and your friends just talking about bullshit. Yeah. You're not getting right to, it's not like. Use the promo code JRE. It's not like Ari just wrote a book

and he's on here to promote it. Sometimes that happens. Like Paul Stanley and stuff. I get a lot of those, but it's still even with them. It's like you want to sit them down and go, what's it like to write the book? How hard was it? How long does it take?

What's the process? The conversation before the podcast starts. there's some serious conversations going on and then instead of just starting and starting the podcast on a dime and then continuing the conversation you hit the commercials and you never get back to that conversation a lot of the times that's what i noticed that's happened well you know a lot of times like we haven't seen each other in like a week or two, and we've got a bunch of crazy shit to say to each other, and you just start blah, blah, blah.

And then by the time the podcast starts, so, what's up, man? You know, you learn a lot about yourself. You listen to your own podcast? I listen to the good ones. I don't at all. I can't stand listening to myself. I have no desire to listen to myself. The only time is when I'm going through Mastering the System, my tutorial.

I do sit there, and I am interested in how I'm teaching and what I said and how I could have made the point clearer in my teaching. So that's the only time. But when it's a podcast and I'm not talking about jiu-jitsu and I'm just talking about just bullshit bullshit I don't want to hear myself it's good to hear though but for the same reason like you realize why you're annoying to you

like I've found things that I didn't know I did like little little tics little weird things like people do like a big one is saying like

people like there's like Tom Segura I love him to death but that motherfucker out likes me he hurts me sometimes with the likes like there's like tom segura i love him to death that motherfucker out likes me he hurts me sometimes the likes like there's like a guy way like if you got like a guy like and there's like a way like oh did he say that everybody does and i'll do it we don't even know and i and when

guys are telling this story it's hilarious and he's like she came up to me and started mad dogging me and i was like what the fuck are you looking at? I paid for all that shit. And you didn't say none of that. You just said, I was like that. I had that look on my face. But I didn't say shit. And if you don't question, did you actually say that?

You're like, no, I was thinking it. I'm like, if I wouldn't have asked you, you would have made it seem like you were this bad motherfucker in this story. Saying the right shit. But in reality, you didn't say shit. And I was like, fuck you. Who paid for that shit? And you said that?

No. No. I thought it. Like. I thought it. And I was like, fuck you, man. Fuck you. And where you came from, bitch.

Did you actually say that to him? No. Fuck you and where you came from bitch Did you actually say that to him? No Oh man I hate that shit Another one that I do That I need to figure out how to stop doing Is I say you know You know

I don't know You know It's like you know You know Like you're trying to form your point You're trying to like formulate it in your mind And now you You know you sympathize more with black people When they're always saying, you know what I'm saying?

You're like, we're basically doing the same thing. We're just not saying the same thing. So why are we making fun? You know what I mean? Everybody says, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know. They just say, no, what I'm saying. But if they stretched it out further, it would get even more ridiculous. You know what I'm saying?

We're God. You know what I'm saying? We're God. If like, you know what I'm saying? Word God. You know what I'm saying? Word God. If like, you know what I'm saying? Word God was like in the middle of every sentence. I think you started something. I think I might have started something.

You know what I'm saying? Word God. Hashtag. What did you say? Hashtag. You know what I'm saying? Word God. Yeah, shit.

Well, black guys were calling each other God for a while on the East Coast. It was a weird thing that was going on. I went to see Terry Norris fight at a bar with a friend of mine who's a comic and his buddy. We worked together, me and this comic, and he brought his buddy with him. And we all went to see it. Terry Norris is fighting tonight. Let's go. We're going to see Terry Norris fight live on whatever it was, HBO. And they were talking to each other.

And they were talking to each other. Man, he hit him with that left hook, God. You see that jab, God? You see that head movement, God? And I was like, whoa, what are they doing? I'm white, obviously. So I'm like, have I missed a meeting? This seems to be a new thing.

And then I remember shaking my head going, this will not last. You guys are going to feel silly for calling each other God in a couple of years. You can't just do, this is... Or maybe, you know what? A lot of people are trying to feel silly for calling each other God in a couple of years. You can't just do this. Or maybe, you know what? A lot of people are trying to come up with their own shit and try to make it stick. You know, some ends up panning out, some doesn't.

But people are trying. That was a big one, though. That was everywhere. It wasn't like these guys, it was their shit. It was like black guys were doing that all throughout the East Coast in the 90s. It's very prestigious to have a saying you made up blow up. Oh, yeah. There's one, you know, people always say, holler at me, holler at me.

Yeah. This guy, Rico Santana, he started scream at me. He was pushing that. Scream at me. Scream at me. And I'm not sure if it stuck. Never heard it. When did he do this?

How long ago? Five years ago. Dudes will try their own trick. Hashtag scream at me. Yeah, you want someone to holler at you, but holler is, what's up? Scream at you implies like they're angry at you. You're setting yourself up for danger.

I like it. Scream at me. Scream at me, bitch. Scream at me. But you say it like in a sexy little voice. Oh, okay. Right? Like you tell a chick.

Scream at me. That chick's going to stop calling you. She's going to run away. She's not going to respond to your text. I don't know. She's going to be like, this fucking dude's crazy. Can you imagine that? Instead of call me later, scream at me.

I bet if you said it like that, well, you're a funny guy. So if you said it like that, it would probably work because she would start laughing. Yo, scream at me. She'd be like, uh-uh, guy. So if you said it like that, it would probably work because she would start laughing. Yo, scream at me. Be like, uh-uh, wait. Listen, you silly bitch, I'll scream at you later. Exactly. There you go. That's it.

Oh, it's going to work for women. How the fuck did those tics, like little things like that, like you know what I'm saying, you know. It's like, where are those coming from? And they're basically complicated versions of, ugh. Even fucking. A lot of times people use fucking. Fucking guys is fucking. Same thing. It's all their

elongated versions. But fucking's the worst, right? I do that a lot, too. I used to. When you're younger, you do that more. And you're nervous. Nervous, there's a lot of fuckings. You're nervous. Like, fuck, man. And then I was like, more. And you're nervous. Nervous, there's a lot of fuckings. You're nervous. Like, fuck, man. And then I was like, fucking. And he was like, fucking.

And I don't give a fuck. And I was like, fucking fuck that dude. When I was doing stand-up in Boston, they had a thing they used to call the fuck meter. They were saying, like, if you were going to go do stand-up, they would say, Eddie, don't break the fuck meter. Like, when you use them, they should mean something. And they were so right. It taught me so much because when I see a guy who says fuck too much, I know that guy's nervous. You know, if he starts fucking, fucking, I'm walking down the fucking street and this fucking

chicken is fucking, it's like, you're off. There's something off. You're, you're, you're using one word too many times, no matter what word it is. And if it happens to be fucking, like you're trying to sound like you're together, you're trying to sound like you're upset, but you're not really, or if you're, if you are upset, you need to collect your thoughts, you know? And that's what you hear that when you listen to a podcast, whereas you just like most of the time you're just talking, you don't, you don't remember how you said it. You just don't very little, very rarely, unless something really crazy happens, you know, how often do you really remember how you said it you just don't very little very rarely unless something really crazy happens you know how often you really remember how you said things what's so funny no i'm just thinking

man i better not say it it's something that i probably should not talk about but it's funny to me but it's not podcast material. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. The one thing that I- Damn it, Eddie Bravo. Well, write that down, Jamie. The beginning, there's not a chance in hell you're going to remember what we talked about either. That's the worst. Maybe I will write it in my notes.

Oh, man. Notes are huge. God damn it. Do you use notes when you do your- I use notes for every motherfucking thing. Do you do them for seminars? For everything. Really?

On my notes. On your phone, you mean? Everything. Do you transcribe it? All my shit. Do you do the voice transcription thing? No, I haven't tried that. Oh, it's so good, dude.

So good. So accurate. It's kind of... I use it all the time. Like, if I'm in my car and I got an idea, I used to get panicky. I'd be like, fuck, I got to pull over. And I'd start coming up with reasons to say the idea over and over and over again so that I didn't forget it. Now I just grab that phone, hit that button, and go blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Put it down. I'm gone. Yeah. I use it for jiu-jitsu a lot for teaching. There's so much shit to master in jiu-jitsu. It's so vast. It seems like it's getting crazier too with the advent. The more attention that people are putting on leg locks

these days. It seems like I'm watching Jiu Jitsu and I'm like, man, I'm not... I see transitions on the ground that I understand, but when I see some leg lock transitions, I'm like, I have no idea where these guys are going. I just see scrambles. I'm not sure. I'd have to watch that again and again and again to see how he set that up.

Yeah, you just got to get it broken down to you in a system. It's just like the rubber guard. You would have fifth degree, sixth degree, eighth degree black belts out there in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and they never really looked into the rubber guard at all. And they think, oh, they're just throwing their legs up, and they're grabbing their leg, and then there's an arm bar or a triangle, and a guy slips out,

and then they're just grabbing their ankles. They don't realize how precise and microscopic it is. And that's what I used to think of leg locks. I thought leg locks were you just jump on legs. I'm a black belt, and I'm still thinking this, until about a year ago. I thought dudes were just jumping on. You get that outside one, or you get that inside one.

I was pretty good at heel hook coming off being mounted, but I didn't spend a lot of time with heel hooks. It just seemed like, ooh, I don't want to get my MMA fighters. I want to set a good MMA example because I'm not going to be the one going in the cage. So if I'm trying to teach him this shit, I better be doing this shit. So I thought it's not a good idea to always go for leg locks.

If you're going to do MMA, it's a great second or third option, last resort. Nothing's working. You can't take the guy down. You tried, and maybe you almost got him down. You almost working. You can't take the guy down. You tried and maybe you almost got him down. You almost passed the guard. The guy's a beast. It's not working. Nothing's working. He's throwing you around.

Nothing's working. It's a third round. You might tell this guy, if this guy in the gym was really good at leg locks, this is what you tell him. Let's fucking go after his legs because the chokes aren't working. We're not getting anywhere near his neck. You got one more round.

Thank God that you could actually pull this off because you're really good at leg locks. That's what I do. It was like a last-ditch effort. Yeah, last resort. If shit ain't work, because it's risky. They can work, but if they don't work, you're going to get Alan Belchered.

You know what I'm saying? And the best leg locker in the game right now is Eddie Cummings. He's an EBI 145 champion. He's incredible. He's incredible. He's like the Marcelo Garcia of leg locks. And when you say Alan Belcher, we should explain what you mean. When you fought Paul Harris, Paul Harris is like the best leg locker in MMA.

Alan Belcher thought long and hard about this and worked a lot on the strategy and did a lot of leglock defense. He brought in, he flew in, he trains in Alabama. Or is it Alabama? Biloxi, Mississippi. He's got his gym there. I forget. I forget.

One of those places down there. But he flew in Dean Lister for that fight and Davi Ramos, who just won Abu Dhabi. That guy's an animal. I saw that flying armbar that you nailed. That guy's the new star in town, is Davi Ramos. He's badass. But Alan Belcher, three years ago or two years ago,

whenever that fight was, it was probably at least three years ago when that happened, when his fight with Rusemar Paharas, he flew both of them in, and he was already known as a really good leg locker and yoked and shit. He looks like a mini little Pajaras, a little smaller. And Alan Belcher said Dean Lister and Davi Ramos just wrecked him with legs for a month straight. Just wrecked him.

And he just forced him to learn little by little. You find your safe spots. You figure out where you're safe. And maybe you're not getting out or escaping, but let's figure out where we can stay safe. And then we'll think about the escape later. That's how it all starts. And then you get really good at staying at that safe, just going right through that safe zone and right to the escapes. Because you've done it so much the slow way. Then it starts blending little by little. Boom.

But anyways, Alan Belcher eventually learned how to deal with leg locks. Amazingly. Yeah. And then he proved it in the Octagon, in the UFC against the scariest leg lock guy out there. Still to this day, still the scariest leg lock guy out there still to this day still the scariest leg lock guy out there and Paul Harris had many shots at Allen's leg he would escape and then Rusamore Pars has this elaborate system he knows exactly what he's doing it's it's you have to spend a lot of time there and really analyze the possibilities and all the angles when you're attacking legs, it really is an entirely different system.

Just legs. But we're also learning that it's not a be-all, end-all. Especially in MMA, Paul Harris has been jacked a couple times, and even the best guy right now, Eddie Cummings, when he goes in and he competes, he's tapping everybody with heel hooks, but he needs two or three tries at those legs.

Guy's gonna defend the first time. It's always the same as matches. He'll get guys really quick too, 30 seconds, 12 seconds, boom. He just jumps on legs, and he's like, dude's like, oh, shit. You know, he has, but generally against a top guy, the guy's going to pull out of his shit like two or three times. Eddie might just let him, let him think that, oh, look, I can't control him, and then just setting him up, just with him letting him go and then coming back just knowing that he's gonna get

those legs eventually just wearing you out even yes and then but in MMA man you got to go in there it better work that first fucking time because if that guy finds a little safe zone and he has a safe zone where he could punch you it could could be lights out. Risky, very dangerous. So regardless of how sophisticated and awesome leg locks are overall right now and grappling, still in MMA, they're still dangerous, but it's a very important secret weapon when the safer stuff,

like taking him down and passing his guard and mounting him and getting his back and nice and safe. You're not going to reverse shit on me. I'm going to, you can't punch me. You can't punch me. I'm all over you. Boom, bam, bam, nice and safe and dominating. You know, it's always a better idea to try to do that first. If you can do that, why would you give him a chance at your face while you're going for leg locks? You might get it, but you're giving him a shot. Man, all he's got to do is be a little bit good at defending, a little bit defend that shit. He's used to it. Bam, bam, done. Especially if you've got a guy.

You remember that Crow Cop Gonzaga fight, the last one, where Crow Cop was on top of Gonzaga and blasting him with elbows? Yes. You saw what happens when you get a scary, scary striker like Crow Cop on top of you and you're not controlling his posture. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, can't forget that kind of shit. Can't forget that because Crow Cop might be the only guy we've seen do it like that, do it that quickly and devastatingly, but that means it's possible. Just because you're in someone's guard, that shit isn't safe. Tito never had the kind of speed and precision as a striker that Crow Cop has. So Crow Cop's elbows, even his short elbows, are just so devastating. But Tito used to fuck guys up from inside their guard. He never bothered passing people's guard.

It's like, good luck holding on to me. Boom. And he would just jack guys from that position. And the best ever was Uriah Faber. Nobody threw elbows better than him because he was so small and his opponent was so small. He could lie, lay and pray in someone's full guard. Lay and pray. Lay on them.

Top guys got to clinch too. Bottom guys throwing elbows. Bottom guy could punch. So if you're in someone's guard, you're in some danger with strikes too and submissions if the guy knows what he's doing. But he would pick dudes up. He'd be lay and pray, but then he would spring up like he's doing some kind of

back extension. He'd pick them up and then slam them on the ground followed by an L like a rhythm. He'd pick them up and then slam them on the ground, followed by an L like a rhythm. Pa-pa. Pa-pa. He'd lift them up. Pa-pa. He'd lift them up.

Pa-pa. It was a fucking amazing rhythm. That was the King of the Cage days, right? No, that was WEC days. Oh, was it? That was before the UFC bought the WEC. This was back when it was in Santa Barbara. Yeah.

Somewhere in San Luis Obispo or some shit. Yeah, it's way up north, right? Yeah. And he used to fuck people up like that. But then he learned how to pass the guard and he got really good at jiu-jitsu. So instead of staying there, he thought, even this guy with the most devastating ground and pound,

you don't see it anymore because he's going to try to pass the guard and mount you and take your back and choke you. He knows the way now. His guillotines, too. When he gets a hold of the dude's neck, he's so nasty. Yeah. His guillotines, too. When he gets a hold of the dude's neck, he's so nasty. His guillotines are just so tight and quick.

When you think of someone, you try to think of a UFC fighter who's known for a special submission. Like Ronda, you're like, armbar, Ronda, armbar, bam. Paul Sass. You know what I mean? Bam. There's only a few guys that you see the submission right next to him, right when someone talks about him. And Uriah Faber, he's got that. Guillotine. That little special guillotine he does.

There's so many different ways to guillotine necks, so many different ways. And the way that Uriah Faber does it, I'm not even good at that way. I've never even been good in that position. I never find myself in that one. It's like a whole beautiful little path And just a dangerous choke I really gotta sit down and look into it

Now that I'm thinking about it and talking about it I'm like what am I doing There's just so much to do That was the beginning of this conversation There's so much to teach I have to write shit in my notes Boom I brought it back That's the one thing that I hate listening to myself talk

Is cause I'll have like a story I want to say but then I think okay let me set it up so when I'm listening to my shit I used to listen to my podcast and I see it and I'm dissecting like what I do I'm like I'm trying to make a point but I never get to the point because I go so far back to set it up that by the time I get to the point, I already thought of another story. And I'm going way over here. That's called weed. Yes. Yes. I hate that about me.

Shit. So when I hear myself do it, I go, there I go. I'm talking about something else. Never even finished the fucking point. I had a good point, too. And I just forgot about it. I never got to it. We all do that.

It's when you get high. I digress so much. Yeah. And then it becomes a game. Like, let's try to figure out where this all started. We're trying to backtrack. Boom, boom, boom. We do the exact same thing.

Yeah. I do it all the time on this podcast. If we get high, it just goes on its own. You know, it's like you've got to accept it. Maybe we should let people know before the podcast. This is a marijuana-induced podcast. Some of them are sober. This one is not.

So there you go. If you're going, what the fuck are they talking about? Well, that. There's that, too. Weed. Weed decides what you want to talk about. And now you got Ryan Hall, man. Now we got a little dude who's coming in with a Husamar Paharas-type threat to the legs as well.

How good is he going to do? And you know what? His stand-up, it looks like his foot works together. He looks like he's got decent striking. It looks like he knows how to move on his feet. And he's been at TriStar, so you know he's working his wrestling all the goddamn time. Is his wrestling going to be good enough to take anybody down in the top 10? What is he weighing?

What is he competing at? What weight class? 145, I think. Is he going to stay there, or is he going to go to 35? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. A lot of guys, they do tough at a weight class above, I think, because if you're going to make the extreme weight cut that a lot of guys make,

you're going to need six to eight weeks, whereas if you're on tough, you've got to do it multiple times over the course of six weeks. And for a lot of dudes, almost everybody started out a higher weight class like you know michael bisping even though he competed at 205 and beat a lot of guys at 205 he fought on the ultimate fighter 205 185 is a better weight class for him yeah same with kelvin kelvin won it at 185 but he's better at 170 yeah it's almost like if you're going to do the Ultimate Fighter, do your walk-around weight. Like if you had to do something same-day weigh-in, do that weight. That's always the next weight category.

Yeah. Unless you want to get super crazy. Some guys just say, fuck it, same-day weigh-in. I'm still going to cut like a motherfucker. I just think when you're on that show and you're going to do that several times over six weeks, and then on top of that, it's the nerves and all the TV cameras, your first experience. You're better off just not doing not doing anything that's gonna drain you he might go to 35 i mean i i mean how does he look at 45 he's kind of like a skinny wiry guy at 45 right now so far

in the house i think he has he had one fight and he had a fight to get in uh So far, with just those two fights, he's already a world renowned leg lock master. Uriah on the show. You watch the show, though? I haven't seen the season at all. Dude, come on. I got it recorded. I'm binge watching. Tough with Conor McGregor. Holy motherfucking

shit. How good is it? It's the best ever. Are you kidding? It's the best motherfucking tough of all time. That's the best ever. Are you kidding? It's the best motherfucking tough of all time. That's the best one. How are you going to get better than Conor McGregor on your goddamn TV show? A fight show? Oh, man. He gets under Uriah

Skin. Oh, he starts a lot of shit, man. He's the ultimate shit talker, man. Isn't it fucked up that he called TJ Dillashaw a snake in the grass and then Dillashaw wound up leaving? That's crazy. That's some prophet shit. That's some old Celtic warrior prophet shit.

McGregor's just calling it like, he just figures if he just calls it like he sees it, no filter, just call it like you see it. Don't hold it in. Just no editing. Just let it all out. He's from Dublin. They talk mad shit over there, dude. It's a totally different style of shit talking. Let it all out. He's from Dublin. They talk mad shit over there, dude. It's a totally different style of shit talking. You know the ultimate tough would be Chael coaching one team and Connor coaching another team.

And they're different weight classes. Chael could walk around at 230 if he's not fighting. He's way bigger than Connor. But Connor is so alpha he's not gonna like chael's gonna like like big brother him and go oh come on at first like come on come on you're too small for me chael would find a workaround you know what i mean chael would figure out an unorthodox approach to dealing with connor he would he would deal like listen you're you're 160 pounds you're 160 you're a cute fella. And then Conor's not going to take that.

Conor's not going to sit there and be the little 160 pound, you know, tiny little fighter to Chael. He's not going to big brother him. I think he's bigger than 160. I really do. He's like 170 or whatever. Which is crazy that he fights at 145. Think about the shit talking between them two. Holy shit.

You'd have to get Chael off of his suspension. He's got a two year suspension. And then Conor would have to get Chael off of his suspension. He's got a two-year suspension. And then Conor would have to agree to fight him at a catch weight. It'll end up being, Conor will go, let's meet at 180. If you can get down to 180 at 185. He can't get down to 180. Or maybe Conor just says, fuck it, we're going to fight

free weight. Absolute bitch. Well, I mean, Conor and Uriah aren't fighting. I mean, the show's hilarious and they're not fighting. Coaches don't need to compete against each other at the end for it to be good. Yeah, exactly. They don't need that. That would just happen because Connor wouldn't be able to take it.

Connor would call him out and say, let's do this shit. You know what would be interesting? It would be interesting to see someone coach opposite of Ronda, like a dude. A dude coach opposite of Ronda. Connor and R. A dude coach opposite of Ronda. Connor and Ronda. Dude, Connor and Ronda. That would crush the ratings. Dude, that would break the fucking...

That would break it. That would be the greatest ratings of all time. It would be no greater. Connor and Ronda together on a show. And what if they wound up having an affair? Oh. It'd be giant news. Dana would probably pull them aside, give them some ecstasy, say, listen, you guys want to make a lot of money? Can you imagine?

That would be like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie of MMA. Right there, right? Yeah, them eloping together. It'd be so similar. That's hilarious. It would be the exact same thing. It'd be so similar. That's hilarious. It would be the exact same thing. It would be the exact same motherfucking thing. He's the real fight club,

and she's the number one chick on the planet who has more power than Angelina Jolie. She can go to any goddamn country easily. She wants to go meet the president of fucking Uganda. She can make that happen. He's gonna go, fuck yeah. Are you kidding? Fuck, he's gonna send a private jet for her.

Well, she's become like an ambassador. She can get into anybody's house. Yeah, she's not just an actress. She does so much humanitarian work. She adopts so many kids. Isn't that awesome? It's amazing what they do. I mean, a lot of people trivialize it

because we always have suspect motives. We always suspect, like, oh, they're just doing it for the publicity. Oh, she's just fucking crazy. But at the end of the day, she's adopting a bunch of people and spending a bunch of time working to help all these sick, needy, and poor people. I mean, she does some pretty incredible shit, man. That's a lot of positive energy. I mean, it's probably why her

she's had the the most amazing career ever i mean she's hot and everything but there's a lot of hot chicks out there she's she remains relevant because of all that philanthropy it seems like she wouldn't be she wouldn't be doing all that she's doing if she didn't appreciate life way more than the average person so she's living in a state of appreciation so much she's wanting to give back so much and change the world she's so into it and that's just like a overproduction of appreciation and then look at her career anything she comes out with she's she's a list all the way through not only that even if her movies suck people just forget about them they just don't talk about them anymore. It's not like Angelina Jolie sucks.

But if they were going to do Alien 6 with Angelina Jolie, you'd be like, oh, shit. Angelina Jolie's going to be in the Alien movie. You would never think, oh, this is how bad the cast is. She's done that Cinderella-type movie. It's kind of like a Disney super animated miniature. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cruella, right? Something like that. I don't know how big that was.

Maybe that did like 100 million or something. It was big. It was big for kids. Perfect for her. Yeah. She could do anything. I mean, like movie star wise. Any role that she really wants to pursue, she could do.

For now. You know, as she gets into her 40s, it'll be harder and harder. That's what it is for those women. Like those Meryl Streep type women who were just smashing it in the 80s, just killing it. She's such a good actress. God damn, she's good. She's so believable. But as they get in their 50s and in their 60s, it's hard to find roles.

There's not a lot of movies made about 60-year-old ladies. Yeah. So you have a support role that may or may not be juicy It may be boring Someone's mom Why don't you start playing the moms Well that was one of the things Robin Williams was saying Robin Williams was saying before he died That it was getting really hard for him

Because the only things that he was being offered That were interesting at all Were like scale Or sometimes not even scale Like you have to do it for free No way Wow I thought he was still huge He was sometimes not even scale. You have to do it for free. No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, I thought he was still huge.

He was, he was. But the things that he found interesting, he would do these movies that were just, they didn't have any money, they didn't have any budget, but those were the interesting, like, did you ever see that 24-hour film, 24-hour photo, what was it called?

I think it was called 24-hour photo or something like that. He played a psycho, like a real psycho that starts Oh, I heard about that. Was that his last film? No, no, no, no. That was a few years ago. But he started getting interested in doing these small, independent films like that.

And you know they would offer him a piece of the back end or something like that probably. But he had a huge nut. He had a giant-ass house up in Northern California. One-hour photo. That's what it was. Dude, he was so good in that movie. God damn it. You would never believe that he's a hilarious.

You'd never believe that the same guy from Mork and Mindy would be this fucking creeper in one hour photo. He was awesome in it. But my point being, he had like a state in Northern California that was worth like 20 million bucks. He had like all these bills. He had like crazy mad bills. So following his heart with these roles crushed him. No, no, no, no, no, no. He had some serious physical issues.

You know, he committed suicide for whatever reason. Only he knows. But there was a lot going on. He had Parkinson's disease. He had some sort of dementia that apparently was coming on. His mind wasn't functioning very well. His body was failing. He had a massive heart attack. He had a massive heart attack. And then in going through heart surgery, Dr. Mark Gordon, you met Dr. Gordon, right? You remember that guy?

I don't know. He's the one that does all the work with traumatic brain injury patients. And he said that when people go through any type of a giant surgery like that, like heart surgery, where you have to be under for a long period of time, a lot of times your hormonal system is devastated. After that, your body's like really fucked up and it can send you into a depression. Like the recovery from a major. Like heart surgery like what what he had done is apparently like it's a devastating thing on your body takes a long time to recover from and in that recovery process he thinks that a lot of patients suffer from massive depression and there's like a correlation between suicide attempts post uh surgery that he thinks possibly

could be attributed to this devastating effect that being under for a long period of times and then the trauma of the surgery can have on you. So he had a lot going that was wrong before he killed himself. Yeah, all the energy, this is just me guessing. This is like bro biology. But I'm guessing that when you're going through something like that and you're about to die and going through some major surgery,

your body's like, we're not thinking about being happy at all right now. We're thinking about being alive so it stops all serotonin production just to keep you alive. And when you recover, your shit is so depleted that maybe that's why you're depressed. That's me guessing. It could be. It also could just be a massive strain on the system You know, that's one of the reasons why they would prescribe steroids after surgery is

They would prescribe it especially to athletes when they get injured not just to make them recover quickly But because during that recovery process your body is very weak Like when you're when you have some major shit going on with your body You have some major shit fixed like for the X amount of weeks afterwards, depending upon how old you are and how healthy you are, you feel wrecked. You just feel wrecked. You just like, Oh, cause your body's like danger, danger resources, dude. We got screws in our fucking knee. We have a, there's an incision, there's stitches, there's screws in the patella and in the bottom. This is crazy. They cut off piece of our patella tendon and stuffed it inside

where the ACL used to be. There's no ACL, all this inflammation, like your body's on just like crash alert. Your body knows something, some pretty devastating, severe shit has happened to it. pretty devastating severe shit has happened to it so uh i think depending upon how healthy you are it's it can be uh rough times afterwards and i think for an older dude like him who already has these physical issues i don't know if parkinson's happened before or if he had had the symptoms how did he kill himself again he hung himself damn yeah Yeah, man. Is that a common quick way to go on suicide? People do that. They want to suffer a little bit. They do have, they don't want to shoot themselves or they don't, or they don't want to suffer from pills. You know, there's only a few ways to go. Um, California actually just passed a law for assisted suicide, which

is going to be interesting. I don't know the particular details of the law, but when people are terminally ill, like if you're dying of cancer or something like that and you're just in agony every day, now finally you can end your own life and you can have doctor-assisted suicide. They've been doing it to people either on the sneak tip or people have had to go to states where it's legal. I believe it's legal in Oregon. But now it's going to be legal here too.

It's amazing that you can't – you have to – Eventually everyone has to think about shit like that. People put their dog down. Okay, your dog's in agony. You put your dog down. But not grandpa. Grandpa's got to suffer. Grandpa's got to just keep shitting his pants and throwing up and falling down

and breaking all his bones and then stitch them back together again and give him some pills. And if grandpa was a dog, you would have put grandpa out a long time ago. You know, if grandpa says, look, I'm ready to go. You bring in the doctor, the doctor, are you of sound mind? Yes. I'm, you know, I'm 95 years old. I had a great life. I have wonderful family around. I like them to be around when I pass. And that's it. And you go, which is probably a good way to go, man. It's probably a good way to go. I think the idea that you're supposed to suffer and make it to the end because it's natural, well, that's not how we treat our cats.

If your cat is in fucking agony, man, you put your cat down. Your dog gets hit by a car and he's not going to make it. He's just howling. You put your dog down. This idea that people have to make it to some fucking finish line. Darkness. It is dark. Yeah. Darkness.

Embrace that darkness. Say something happy. The darkness makes you appreciate the light. You know? That kind of shit that makes you appreciate the light. You know? That kind of shit that makes you appreciate the light. Yeah, man. It's like we're all going to have to deal with that sooner or later. Or you die early.

You know? One or the other. You're going to go through that old age in the hospital, falling apart, people taking care of you. Everybody's going to go through that. Or you're going to die before that. Yeah, one or the other. My friend from Boston just died. My boss, when I was starting out doing stand-up comedy,

I stayed friends with him for the past 26 years. His name's Dave Dolan. He was a private investigator, and he needed a driver because he lost his license to the DUI. And he said, fuck it, I'm quitting drinking, that's it, but I need a driver because he still had to work. So he put an ad out in the want ads for a private investigator's assistant.

And I answered the ad and I met this dude and he was fucking hilarious. It was mostly insurance cases. Occasionally it would be like a guy who thinks his wife's cheating on him. But most of it was insurance cases where people would pretend to be injured and and they would get another job, like working for cash, under the table. And you'd catch them because, like, the insurance company was paying them millions of dollars or whatever they were paying them, and then they would go get another job. Probably not millions, you know. Maybe they were suing, whatever it was.

Most of these people, they would get up early in the morning and go work other jobs, and we would just wait. So we would drive to this location go up the street so our car would be facing that house and we shut the car off and wait we get there just like the movies mm-hmm like four o'clock in the morning but you're sitting there at four o'clock in the morning waiting for this dude wake up you should start talking shit and he would just talk shit he was hilarious who would talk shit Dave this guy Dave oh your partner yeah he was one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.

How old were you at this time? I was 21. And you were doing stand-up already? Just starting stand-up. I was just doing open mic nights. I was still fighting. He was one of the last guys to see me fight. And he would just talk shit.

Talk shit about it. He was one of those guys that women women could never ever get him to change like it was impossible like there was no there was no like what should i do man she wants me to she wants me to change she wants me to change the way i'm dressing she wants me to move into some new neighborhood she wants me to quit my job and you know maybe i'm gonna convert and become jewish there was none of that in that dude. None. From the moment I met him, he was like, fuck that. You do that. That's the beginning of the end, pal.

Listen, that's how they get you. And he would always just be laughing. Like, never. I don't believe he was ever married. He might have been. But even if he was, I'm sure that chick had zero control over that guy. That guy was crazy. He was hilarious.

He was a guy that was meant to be a comedian that never became a comedian. A hundred percent. He could have been a world-class comedian. He was fucking funny. And he was hilarious. He was a guy that was meant to be a comedian that never became a comedian. A hundred percent. He could have been a world-class comedian. He was fucking funny and he was insightful. And his cousin actually owned the comedy connection. His cousin was Bill Downs, who was one of the owners of the comedy connection. So I didn't even know this when I started working for him. And he's asking me, you know, what do you do? And I told him the whole deal. And he was like, my cousin's Billy Downs. I'm like, I do open mic nights there. He's like, no shit. And so he easily, like if he just decided to go and do it, he just never did it. He easily could have been a comedian. He was fucking hilarious. And we would do these things. We

would show up at people's houses. He would have like a list of license plates. And on one of those, one of those license plates would be the license plate of the person that we're looking at. The other ones would be scratched out and maybe a couple more. You just write a few in and get to this one. And he would say, listen, my girl was in a hit and run accident. And this guy, he took off, but someone got the plate and they didn't get it all, but they got this amount of it. You know, and the guy would go, well, that definitely wasn't me. Hey, wow, I'm so sorry to hear that.

Is she okay? They go, well, she's going to be all right, but she's got a bulging disc in her L7, which is exactly what this guy's injury was. And the person would go, that's crazy. I have that same injury. Oh, no kidding, huh? Well, you're getting the compensation?

And the guy would go, yeah, you're getting paid? Oh, yeah, yeah, it's great. They're paying me. And I'm also working under another name. Like, they would just tell you. Like, this woman told us that very story. She told us she was working under her maiden name. Then she had us inside for coffee. This is how crazy people were in 1988. They have you in their fucking house for coffee. We didn't know this lady. It was two men. Two men. I mean, me, I was 21, and he was probably like 31, 32 at the time. And he had us in her fucking house and drink coffee with us. And Dave's asking her, so how do you work that?

And she's telling him, you know, well, she's my maiden name. Like, so what happened to you? And he's tape recording it. No. No, he's just listening. Just listening. So he goes, so did you get hurt? Or did you just bullshit the whole thing?

She's like, well, I got hurt a little bit, but I was fine. So I went to the doctor, and the doctor looked at me like, she gave up the whole fucking, she gave up the whole story. And then we left. I was like, God, I feel so bad. We can't rat her out. She was so nice. He goes, fuck her.

She goes, she goes, fuck her. We got in the car, and I felt terrible because this lady was so nice. And she let us in on her scam. Fuck her. She's a fucking scammer. Fuck her. He would never, ever show any sympathy for those people that were scamming insurance. That was the game.

It was like, I'm the sheepdog. You're the coyote. I'm going to jack you. It's like that cartoon. So you wouldn't follow him. You would just see him walking and then you'd go up to him. Totally depends. Sometimes we would actually show up at the job site.

We'd catch a guy on a roof with a fucking bag of shingles on his back. And then what do you do? What do you say? Just find out where the guy is. Take photos. He had a camera. Take photos of the guy and go, look, this guy's working. Okay.

And then what usually would happen, I believe the way they would work is the insurance company would threaten the person. And would say they're going to have them arrested for forgery and for fraud, rather. And then the person would either settle or they would maybe have to pay some of the money back. And they would just, the insurance company just knew they were being scammed. Yeah. And they didn't want to. Did you ever have to fuck And the insurance company just knew they were being scammed. Yeah. And they didn't want to. Did you ever have to fuck anybody up? No, no, no.

Nothing ever got ugly. Nothing even got yelly. What year was this? 88. 80 fucking eight. Yeah. Dave was like real good at talking to people. He was like, but he loved it.

He loved the scamming people. He loved it. He just loved it. He's like,ming people. He loved it. He just loved it. He's like, oh, you're getting paid, though, aren't you? He would love baiting them in and getting them to talk about it. And he would get in the car and start laughing. Ha, ha, ha. That fucking dummy.

He gave us everything. Ha, ha, ha. Look at these photos. Perfect. He goes. Fuck him. He goes. He goes.

Fuck him. How would Joey do him? That would be a rough. I'd have to think about that. Oh, ha, ha, ha. I don't know, man. Fuck him. But he Joey do him? That would be a rough. I'd have to think about that. Oh. I don't know, man. Fuck him. But he just died of cancer.

He just died of cancer last week. Real quick, apparently. I started getting some emails and messages about it. I was like, no way. When was the last time you talked to him? Last time I was in Boston just a few months ago. I'm going back to Boston in January. I was going to get him tickets to the fights and i was hoping to you know have some dinner with him or something hang out with him but we stayed friends we stayed friends all this time

he was a good dude man stayed begin you know stayed being a private investigator every now and then he called me up with some crazy fucking story some crazy story one of them was this guy whose girlfriend was getting fucked by this bodybuilder she was uh she was meeting this gorilla who was just just ragdolling her just just fucking savage fucking her and uh this guy kept wanting to get her followed like the one guy the guy was like a real nerdy guy he's like a computer guy and his girlfriend was just just just getting mauled all the time by this dude and he suspected it so he hired his private investigator and then dave was like dude i can't keep taking pictures of your girl getting fucked by this giant guy it's starting to get creepy okay so uh we're done here but him telling him this guy's like oh go follow her tomorrow follow her tomorrow

are you looking at the pictures i'm looking at because he would like take pictures of this guy just i need more pictures he probably loved those pictures oh i bet he did well he's probably a cuckold you know like that's what they say that's like a whole style of porn now it's like a guy it's usually like black guys like a white guy who's a nerd. He's like, yeah, sure, come on in. Like, oh, man, is this your wife? Oh, shit, I don't know if your wife was this hot. She is my wife.

I'm not sure if I want you talking about her like that. Talking about her, fuck her. This bitch wants my dick. Oh, she want this dick, bitch? Oh, she's sucking my dick right in front of you. There's porn like that? And there's an old man? There's always old,

like, husbands and shit? No, she's like a feeble guy. A feeble guy and a black guy with a fucking shillelagh. She never pulls his dick out? Black guys? No, no, no, no, the guy.

I'm sure there's some of the white guys pull the dick out. Yeah, most of the time the white guys... The guy getting abused? The husband never fucks? Most of the... Well, I'm sure there's some of the husband fucks, too. I'm sure there's some of the husband gets white guy's... The guy getting abused. The husband never fucks? Most of the...

Well, I'm sure there's some of the husband fucks, too. I'm sure there's some of the husband gets fucked. That would kill it. I'm sure there's some of the husband has to suck the guy's dick. Like, maybe the wife fucks the... Maybe the husband has to sit there. This is the ultimate cuckold. The husband has to sit there while this giant fucking super athlete fucks his girl.

And then, when the guy comes, he comes in the husband's mouth. It's the ultimate one. It's the only time the husband sucks the guy's dick. But as he could get over here, get your head over here. He puts the guy's head right down on the wife's stomach while he's just fucking plowing it. And then he pulls it out and stuffs it in the dude's mouth. Right now, someone's writing this down and they're making this video. They're probably shooting it this week.

Dude's on Twitter sending you links that already exist. It's like a whole trilogy. It's actually quite normal. It's probably a website. Oh, comeinthehusbandsmouth.com. You've never been? You don't even know that website, bro? Yeah. Whatever you can think of, man. When you were first exposed to porn, I was exposed in high school. That's when i first found out about porn it was all so normal it was just the worst thing that would happen is two people get together and they'd have sex that was it that's all that ever happened but then somewhere around the time like we were in germans and the japanese oh you

mean shit porn that's not even porn That's just fucking weird But even just regular porn Became more about like Gagging and fucking Gagging? Yeah, girls Even when they suck dick now

It's like they're doing it like they're trying to kill themselves Is that the new thing? Is that the new thing? I didn't know that The gagging noise is good? There's a lot of that, dude. You've never seen? Gag, bitch, gag. Yo, there's a lot of that.

It seems like people got bored with the regular stuff, and then it got more and more and more. Gag me later. Ha! Gag at me. Scream at me later, and I'll make you gag. Too long. Yeah, it's too long. Hashtag scream at me later, and I'll make you gag oh man I

was talking about this the other day with Chris Ryan that like porn like the look of a girl's vagina like shaved vaginas that's the only way now like there's very few bushes yeah the girl has a bush these days like she's taking a big chance she's being very eccentric But back then it was all bushes There was a point in time When I was like 22 That I actually preferred a little bush Because when girls would shave

It would like burn It would like scafe my cock You know what I mean Because of the stubble But when they left it kind of bushy It was all nice and squishy Felt better Good point I was really into it So when a girl had a little bush You know what I mean? Because of the stubble. But when they left it kind of bushy, it was all nice and squishy. Felt better.

Good point. I was really into it. So when a girl had a little bush, I'm like, damn, I'd like to squish into her. Some girls get all crazy lasered and shit. They do their legs, their pussy. Nothing wrong with that. Laser that shit. But isn't that nuts, man? That we use like a light beam to cook the skin.

We don't want hair on them. Are there cultures where girls with hairy legs are hot? Must be. There's got to be a couple countries. At least three. Well, how about that country in Africa? Was it Suri?

Where they cut their lips and they put plates in them? Yep. And the bigger the plate, the more cattle you're worth when you get married? Yep. What?

Who's fucking... I want to know that story. I want a documentary on how that happened. the evolution of that big plate on that lip like when did it get cool who brought it up who is the who is the helio gracie of them lip fucking plates who made that shit up you know what i mean and there's got to be a story well i've heard speculation that the way they did it they made the girl's lip like that so that she wouldn't be attractive to slaves. So slavers, the people that were trying to get slaves. How did it get to that point?

I know, right? Everyone agreed on that? Well, don't a lot of people that have a lot of metal in their face and shit, and a lot of people have crazy piercings in their cheeks, in their nose, their lips. Don't people usually say that that's a sign, and this is total bro psychology, right? But that that's a sign of people that have been abused? Isn't that usually a sign of people that have had something bad happen to them?

Maybe back in olden times, before there was mental institutions, like the crazy people of the big cities, like in Rome, all the crazy people. They just went out to the fucking jungle and started their own little culture. And some of them are fucking nuts. Like who thought of these stories? How did the Romans get all the way to Africa? Who invented that plate lip?

Yeah. I think it was probably, it makes sense though. If you look at like, when you see, okay, if you see a girl with a bunch of shit in her face, don't you immediately assume like, oh, this girl's probably molested. Don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Whether or not that's fair or not.

Yeah. Just being honest. It's probably totally not true. It's probably totally not true. But you assume it, right? Automatically. Because we've developed a correlation between people that like girls with face tattoos or five eyebrow rings and a nose ring and two lip rings and a tongue ring. Okay, what's going on here? There's definitely signs of abuse.

Like for me, growing up with long hair, that was a – I thought when I was growing up, my dad was never around and my stepdad didn't give a shit, you know. I thought, that doesn't affect me. I'm too strong. I'm 12, 13, I'm 15, 16. I'm always thinking,

that never affected me. I didn't need no fucking dad. It was always that way. That didn't affect me. But when I look back at the pictures of my big Mexican family, there's all these

normal looking people and then there's the dude like at the wedding with the long hair who's pissed off that he's there and not hanging out with his friends. It was always me pissed pictures like just like this. It was like normal for me to be like at the wedding, at the quinceanera, at the big whatever shindig, just pissed off that I'm not with my friends and playing music and listening to Slayer and shit. And I thought I wasn't affected.

I was so affected. I was so affected. I was a drummer in speed metal bands writing satanic lyrics, and I thought I wasn't affected. My hair was long. I was always in a pissed-off mood. Like, oh, no, I'm fine. I'm fine.

That shit, I'm too strong for that shit. Fuck my dad. I don't need him. I didn't give a shit. But damn, he damaged me. Of course. There was damage right there. Shit.

Every kid that doesn't get paid attention to, it's a core component of being a human being. Like food, like water, like being out in the sun. All those things are important for the development of a human being. Attention and love from your family is what makes you a loving person. You become loving when you're loved. When you're not loved, you turn inward, you get angry, you get aggressive.

That's what happens to people. It's natural. When you find people that are abused, a lot of times those people wind up being abusive themselves. They lash out. I wonder if that is what happened with the Surrey women,

that they were being taken as slaves and so they just started doing fucked up shit to their face to make themselves unattractive. I wonder if that is what happened with the Suri women, that they were being taken as slaves, and so they just started doing fucked up shit to their face to make themselves unattractive. And they started their own little camp, and then it turned into a village, and then boom, it was a bunch of fucking crazy people, started by one crazy dude. One dude who's in those piercing circuses. What do you call those things? Piercing circuses? Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. You know those crazy, weird

freak shows, but with a lot of piercings and shit like that. You know, they have like a million, they're hanging from fucking, like some crane. I mean, I'm down with tattoos, you know that. I like tattoos, but maybe not all over the face. Generally,

a little bit, you know what I mean? Like the Mike Tyson one, I like it now. Mike Tyson's a bad motherfucker. I like it. And then Kat Von D got some stars and shit a little bit. And the neck ones are cool and all that shit too. That's all. But when you're hanging from a crane and you got these rings all around your skull and

they're hanging you, Jesus, there's something, I want to know what happened. Yeah. Something happened. Yeah, something happened. Yeah, something happened. Yeah. Maybe it was just like me. Maybe his father wasn't around. But just think about your situation was bad, right? But we all know people who it was way worse.

Oh, yeah. You got through uninjured. No one was raping you. You got through, relatively speaking. Absolutely. I never, I wouldn't change a thing right about my nor would I but a lot of people didn't right and when you see like really fucked up people like really crazy out there people a lot of times that's what they're reacting to whatever kind of abuse it was right whether it

was sexual abuse where it was violence whether it was abandonment whatever it is whatever pain and hurting you know made them try to try to become something different or try to seek out others like her or like him. You know, that's what people do when they form these. It's like what you're talking about, like being at the wedding. I wanted to be with your friends. I remember that exact same feeling. I only felt normal when I was with my friends. That's it.

Like every time else I was like, oh, my God, I can't be here. I can't do this. I can't do this. I don't want to do this. I just got to go to my friends and everybody will relax together. We'll be able to talk and laugh and fuck off. That was like always the appeal of hanging out at the pool hall when I was young. When I, when I started hanging out this place called executive billiards and white planes with my friend Johnny that died from drugs. That place was just, we were all misfits. It was like how the Comedy Store is. Mitzi Shore actually calls the Comedy Store the Island of Misfit Toys.

That's like her nickname for it. Because all these weirdos come from all over the world, but they all, they go there and they realize when they're there, like, there's other people like me. There's other people like me. I just had to find them. I just had to find these fuckers. They weren these fuckers it just they weren't at the wedding they weren't at the quinceanera back then like when i look at movies from the 80s like in those movies you're looking at people that are not connected they don't have that internet phone that we got you know what i mean it's like that life there is no everyone is disconnected. The only thing that we were connected to was TV and radio, the big networks.

That's the only way we can connect. And, you know, people say that we're more connected now than ever. We are in a lot of ways. But in some ways, because we weren't individually connected and there was only one source, NBC, CBS, ABC. That actually connected everybody. And everyone listening to the radio and the radio stations were creating stars and everybody saw different strokes. You went to school and everyone saw 8.30 Friday night on NBC.

Everyone knew these were special spots. That's how everyone got connected in these special 8 o'clock on Thursday cheers and shit. Everyone got they were so connected. Way more connected. Now people aren't on those. Like the radio doesn't have that much power. I never listen to fucking radio ever.

I'm listening to like satellite radio. I never listen to radio. Yeah. Never. It's always satellite. So everyone is like less more connected to their niche but there's shit that's huge out there like this. I was driving down the street and I saw this billboard in downtown LA. It was King Daddy. King Daddy's a white guy.

Or apparently he's Latin, but he looks like a white guy with vanilla eyes and says King Daddy. I thought it was like, are they filming a fucking movie, like some kind of parody movie here? That's what I thought it was. And then I looked and I go, this is the craziest thing. He's playing at the Staples, King Daddy. I've never heard of him. I Wikipedia him.

He's fucking huge. Like, holy shit. There's people that are huge and because we're so disconnected with everybody, we're just connected more and more with the people that are like us and then that's it. Then we could shut everybody out. We don't connected more and more with the people that are like us and then that's it. Then we could shut

everybody out. We don't have to be all together. But the old way and that one way about NBC, CBS and we all saw the news in 60 minutes.

We were, at some times at those periods we were all connected. All of us. Boom. We were all like one. We all knew the same shit.

But now, we're all on our own planet now. It's so true. I'll go to someone's Twitter page and they're a musician. I'm like, who is this guy? Five million Twitter followers. I'm like, what the fuck? I never heard of this person.

You would know that guy because we would all be on those same channels. Everybody would be on the same. Now we get our news from different places. Do people still really watch the news on Fox News? There's a lot of people that do, though, man. There's not just a lot of people that do. There's a lot of people that only follow right-wing

news sources. So they have a right-wing news idea. And that's the only thing they talk about. And so if they interact with something online, they're like, clearly you haven't been paying attention because that's been debunked. Okay, how's it been debunked? And you'll go and read how it's been debunked. That hasn't been debunked paying attention because that's been debunked. Okay, how's it been debunked? And you'll go and read how it's been debunked. That hasn't been debunked at all.

Everything's been debunked. There's a debunk for a debunked for a debunked for a debunked. Everything is debunked. It's really simple. It really is an info war, just like Alex Jones says. It really is. It isn't about this theory and then that theory and the official story. Everyone goes to science. It really is. It isn't about this theory and then that theory and the official story.

Everyone goes to science. But science, that that is what people need to. It's not just science. It's unbiased science. Ken is where's the science coming from? Let's look at the science. You're just reading something off the Internet. Where's that science come from? So really is information because it's so easy to brainwash people nowadays. It's so easy. The media is under control. You think it's easy? I think it's way harder. I think it's way harder to get people to believe shit now than ever before.

It's way harder to control a narrative. I think they're doing a brilliant job, man. Who's they thinking? I mean, just like most people think that 9-11 wasn't an inside job. Most people believe that Tower 7 fell because of fires because the government told them. I mean, that's scary shit, man. It is, but what if 9-11 wasn't an

inside job? Spending all this time thinking it was? What if it was just a bunch of incompetent people? A bunch of people that all, I mean, the amount of people that had to be involved to make it a conspiracy would be pretty big, right? Yeah, there's a... Would it be more likely that it was a bunch of fucking idiots running the government, which we've always known are true,

than to have this one mastermind stroke of genius? No, not at all. When you look at the evidence, I mean, when the 9-11 commissioner... I feel like we shouldn't have gone down this road. It's really simple. When the 9-11 commissioner... We have video, a bunch of different angles of Tower 7 coming down. We have that video.

Tower 7 is unquestionably one of the hardest things to answer. So you just got to just, like a detective, you got to look at it like a detective. You got, okay, that building came down. So the people want to know what happened at Tower 7. How come it looks like a demo? It looks like it exploded. It must be exploded. That's the conspiracy theory.

What does the government say? Nothing. It's not in the 9-11 commission report. They deny it. They don't say anything. They don't acknowledge it. After public pressure of wanting to know if that was a controlled demo or not, we want a real investigation. Finally in 2008, NIST

finally came out. A government agency comes out and they ask him. They go, go, he gives a little presentation that Tower 7 was brought down because it got too hot and then he starts fielding questions and they said, why didn't you guys test for explosives? This is what this is

all about. You know what he said? The answer was, there were no witnesses that said they heard explosions. That was his answer. And there's endless, endless video after video. Someone's going to make a meme out of that. After video, after video, after video. There's a fireman, policeman, witness after witness after witness.

There's on video, on video, right when it happens. And then the bombs went off before that plane. And then bombs were just, and then the whole lobby was just bombs. And then we turned around, we were going down the elevator and the elevator blew up and there's everyone saying bombs the newscasters are saying

while they're there everyone's saying bombs are going off everywhere they took all that shit and fucking buried it they were saying there's all this they said

NIST it's on video they're saying we didn't have any they go you didn't check for explosives they go no we didn't check for explosives there was no witnesses no, we didn't check for explosives. There was

no witnesses that said they heard explosions. And there was a shitload. I gotta repeat it. You know, when you look at that, what does that tell you? What it tells you is they're fucking gangsters, man. They're fucking lying. They're gangsters. It's really simple.

It's possible they're gangsters. It's also possible that they're retarded. It's also possible that they're retarded. It's also possible that they're trying to figure out a way to explain something that they just did a really shitty job explaining in the past. I'm not an architect. I'm not an architect. I'm not an engineer. I don't understand how buildings, what they need to stay up. I don't understand what can bring them down.

When I look at that, though, it looks like a controlled demolition. It behaves exactly the same. I've never heard of a building that falls apart like that and just breaks apart in free fall. But what do I know? I mean, I don't know. There was apparently massive fires all throughout the building because there was some diesel fuel that they had in the basement, giant diesel tanks.

And if those things were on fire, and if the building was on fire in some sort of a crazy way where it weakened the whole thing however unlikely where uniformly once one part of it gave out it just gave in they didn't test for explosives i understand that but what would disturb me about that scenario that i just just said was why didn't someone sue for that building falling apart like i i would think that if that was my building and my building just caved in when it caught on fire I'd be like let me show you fuckheads some videos of buildings that didn't cave in because they were a

Blaze just on fire like every fucking corner of the building is fire Yeah, this is just fire inside the building that fell apart. I would sue yeah, there's a fuck there's so much in it So deep the whole what do you think? What do you think happened if you believe this if you believe that this is a conspiracy to take down Tower 7. Well, this is, I want to say this. I always thought I was, I knew the 9-11 conspiracy quite well. I kind of understood how it, you know, I could argue with people. I thought I was a brown belt.

Oh my God. I watched this documentary that I don't even know if it's out yet. The dude who put it together, he sent it to me. It's five hours long. Five hours long. How do you have the time for this? I watched it twice already. Oh, my God.

It's fucking, and it's all news clips. And he's narrating through it. He's got so much information about how it went fucking down. Alex Jones is like a purple belt compared to this guy. His name is Ryan Dawson. And the documentary is The Empire Unmasked. Unmasked. I kiss unmasked.

The Empire Unmasked. I can't even say unmasked. But holy shit. It gets so fucking deep. It's like watching Harry, like a movie that was a book, watching the movie and then watching it three times and then going back and reading the book and you're like, oh my God, there's so much shit.

There's such a backstory and there's all these different players and all this evidence that was, dude, there's no way anybody could watch that documentary and still think, and he's got all the evidence, dude. He breaks it all down, dude. There's so much. There's so much. There's so much. One of my favorite things about 9-11 that never gets brought up was the press conference that Donald Rumsfeld had the day before the Pentagon got hit, where he was talking about

all the money that was missing. It was like trillions of dollars, right? Like trillions of dollars they couldn't account for. And then the plane slams into the accounting department. I mean, if we are living in a movie, this is an awesome movie. I want to know if that is true. Find out if the plane that hit the Pentagon hit the accounting department.

That's what everybody always says. The Naval Intelligence Office, which was investigating a lot of these illegal securities. It was all, dude, according to this documentary, the Empire Enmasse, in a nutshell. In a nutshell. In a nutshell.

Aliens? Saudi Arabia. First, first I want to say, first I want to say, I love this country. I love the United States. This is Memorial Day. I just. How dare you, Eddie Bravo. I just, I'm just scared of the government.

That's all. Okay. I love the country, but we have some, in every government, people would agree that there's a criminal element in every government. Everybody believes that there's crooks running shit, right? So I'm not saying anything that crazy. According to this documentary, the, it's, dude, you got to go way back like a hundred years.

It's all tied together. Okay. From the banana wars in the early 1900s, it's all about drug trade between controlling Central America. First of all, before you go into any conspiracy theories, the one conspiracy theory that's

real is the Iran-Contra conspiracy theory. That's actually real. It's out. If you look into it, what was it? George Bush Sr. got busted. Him and Oliver North. There was a few key people doing some shit that the rest of the government didn't know about. That's a conspiracy theory.

They were running guns and drugs through Arkansas. And Iran and Israel were all involved. It's a big drug arms ring. That's all it is. They're all making money off it. They've been doing it since the banana wars were all about the drugs. The United States used to, with other countries, go in and fucking jack them and take their shit. Then they realized it's easier if we just control the government.

We'll organize a coup and we'll pull our guy in and we'll just take that shit. We don't need to fight them. So they just pulled all the military out and they've been doing that. It's all this Nicaragua, the Iran contract. They got busted, but they've been doing it forever. It's like a family business when you're at the top. They got busted. That's not a

conspiracy theory. They used to think it was a conspiracy theory in the 70s and everyone said conspiracy theory. There's news reports. People are like, it's crazy. And then it comes out 10 years later, they get busted. Ronald Reagan says he didn't know shit. He doesn't recall shit. The vice president is George

Sr. He's the ex-head of the CIA. He's running the whole fucking thing. I know, I'm well aware. We have to be careful about people's attention spans. But they get busted. You got to explain this. It's right there in the early 80s. The shit that happened from JFK and beyond.

But JFK is connected to Iran Contra, which is connected to 9-11. It's all the same fucking players. It's all the same. It's a big old drug cartel going on. So all the big it's a corporate. drug cartel going on. So all the big, it's a corporate,

it's all about, the mob sells the drugs that the drug, that the government brings in. They always had a mob relationship. There's always been the government running drugs, using the mob to make money for covert operations.

They've always done that shit. That's the way they do it. And everything that's happening in the Middle East, that's all it is to America. Israel, they want to fuck up. They wanted to fuck up Iraq, the criminal element. But the United States, they're like, they need to control the poppy seeds. So it was oil, drugs, the same shit. They just needed a reason to get in there. Everybody knows that we invaded Iraq because of 9-11, but now we know that there's zero connection. That was

all bullshit. We know that's a fact. That's not a conspiracy theory. There was no weapons of mass destruction. We just needed a reason to get in there. Dude, there's documents that they talk about this, these great PNAC, this group, like how are we going to take over

and what is the best route to do? Talking about we need a reason to get into the Middle East in control. We need a big event. It's on fucking paper. They don't even give a shit. You ever see the video where General Wesley Clark starts talking about invading, like what's going to be done? The timeline that's

been laid out for the United States to invade all these other countries and take over. Have you ever seen that? I heard something about that. You've never seen the video? No. What is it? You should watch it because it's pretty fascinating. What's it called?

General Wesley Clark, who was a guy who ran for president. I think he ran for president in 2004. When did he run for president? 2008 maybe? Maybe 2008. Whenever it was that he ran for president. He was a for he was a uh just decorated general and like a patriot a war hero a guy who was like really well respected and i

believe it was on charlie rose and he laid out the government's plan like the people that are you you would you would be fascinated by this i'll play it for you because for people that are, you would be fascinated by this. I'll play it for you. Because for people that are listening to this. Sounds like Agenda 21, maybe? He's explaining what he was privy to as a four-star general or whatever he was. And in this video, for people to listen to this going, this is all crazy conspiracy talk. When you hear a guy like Wesley Clark, presidential candidate, very decorated, very well-respected general, saying these things, like listen to what he says. Got it? Listen to this.

About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff. We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq. This was on our band. He said, sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second. I said, what's up, Timber? I said, we're going to war with Iraq. Why?

He said, I don't know. He said, I guess they don't know what else to do. So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda? He said, no, no. He says, there's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq. He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take a nail.

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq? And he said, oh, it's worse than that. He said, down governments. And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem. I reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Defense defense office today. And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're

going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran. Come on, man. Now, this is the scariest part. The truth is about the Middle East. You want to keep it going? Had there been no oil there, it would be like Africa. Nobody is threatening to intervene in Africa. The problem is the opposite.

We keep asking for people to intervene and stop it. And there's no question that the presence of petroleum throughout the region has sparked great power involvement. Whether that was the specific motivation for the coup or not, I can't tell you. But there was definitely, there's always been this attitude that somehow we could intervene and use force in the region. Boom. Yeah, the scariest thing is you could watch something like this, and like a skeptic who

doesn't believe in any conspiracy, you could watch this. They'll watch it. And something like they've been programmed, like they've been hypnotized, like no matter what, obey the official story. Do you see that video that was just about to come up? Major Smedley Butler? Check that out. The video that was about to come up was the letter that Major Smedley Butler wrote in like 1930-something. And he was another famous war hero who wrote a letter, like, realizing when he was leaving the military that war is a racket.

Major General Smedley Butler and the fascist takeover of the USA. Does it play anything? Takeover the USA. Does it play anything? You can roughly locate any community somewhere along a scale running all the way from democracy to despotism. This man makes it his job to study these things? Well, for one thing, avoid the comfortable idea that the mere form of government can of itself safeguard a nation against despotism. For big business, despotism was often a useful tool for securing foreign markets and pursuing

profits. One of the U.S. Marine Corps' most highly decorated generals, Smedley Darlington Butler, by his own account, helped pacify Mexico for American oil companies, Haiti and Cuba for National City Bank, Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers brokerage, the Dominican Republic for sugar interests, Honduras for U.S. fruit companies, and China for Standard Oil. for U.S. fruit companies, and China for Standard Oil. General Butler's services were also in demand in the United States itself in the 1930s, as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt sought to relieve the misery of the Depression through public enterprise and tougher regulations on corporate exploitation and misdeeds.

More power to you, President Roosevelt. The entire country's behind you, thrilled with hope and patriotism. But the country was not entirely behind the populist president. Large parts of the corporate elite despised what Roosevelt's New Deal stood for. And so, in 1934, a group of conspirators sought to involve General Butler in a treasonous plan. The plan as outlined to me was to form an organization of veterans, to use as a bluff, or as a club at least, to intimidate the government. But the corporate cabal had picked the wrong man.

Butler was fed up with being what he called a gangster for capitalism. for capitalism. I appeared before the congressional committee, the highest representation of the American people, under subpoena to tell what I knew of activities, which I believe might lead to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship. The upshot of the whole thing was that I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 men,

which would be able to take over the functions of government. How crazy is that? A congressional committee ultimately found evidence of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt. According to Butler, the conspiracy included representatives of some of America's top corporations, including C.P. Morgan, DuPont, and Goodyear Tire. As today's chairman of Goodyear Tire knows, for corporations to dominate government, a coup is no longer necessary. Corporations have gone global. And by going global, the governments have lost some control over corporations.

Regardless of whether the corporation can be trusted or cannot be trusted, governments today do not have over the corporations the power that they had and the leverage that they had 50 or 60 years ago. And that's a major change. So governments have become powerless compared to where they were before. Capitalism today commands the towering heights and has displaced politics and politicians

as the new high priests and reigning oligarchs of our system. So capitalism and its principal protagonists and players, corporate CEOs, have been accorded unusual power and access. This is not to deny the significance of government and politicians, but these are the new high priests. Okay. Well, that's all, that's pretty much proven what you're saying. I mean, when you look at that, you look at Iran-Contra, and people don't care.

This is the scariest part, is you know how a certain amount of people can be hypnotized? You know, you go to a hypnotist show, the guy before the show starts, he does a couple tests, and he goes, I got that idiot, and I got that motherfucker. All you others sit down. He knows. He can figure it out. That's not like conspiracy theory, right? Right.

He thinks, what is it? That's pretty crazy that he knows that there's a few people that he could hypnotize and there's others that he can't. So then he makes them do weird shit. And people, is hypnotism real? Can people be hypnotized? Yes. Is it real that you can hypnotize someone, wake them up, they appear to be woken up, and when they hear you say a certain word, they react a certain way?

Is that real? I think it's real. Is that real? I think with some people, if they get good enough at it. I've seen documentaries, but maybe they're hoaxes. I don't know. I don't know if they're real. I'm pretty sure.

Well, I've been hypnotized, and hypnotism is real. Okay. It definitely is. So it is real. It puts you, well, it's not, at least with me, what the guy was trying to do was not what I think would be done if someone was trying to get you to do something like that. But is it possible to hypnotize someone in their own whatever way, whatever way works, and tell them when you wake up, when you hear the bell, you're going to react a certain way or you're going to think a certain way? Yes.

And so that person could be totally awake at work and then you could say something and they react a certain way. Is that real? That I'm not sure of. I think that's like given a lot of time from the hypnosis event. Oh no, not at work. I don't know if it works at work, but I'm not, I don't know why I said at work, but I'm just saying if it worked, who knows?

Maybe it's supposed to wear off after five minutes or ten minutes. When does it wear off? Well, you change states you if you're in a state of anger or state of depression understand there's like a state that you achieve when you get hypnotized okay so you know you're aware of it you're awake if it's well let me just explain what it feels like it felt like like I was almost like I was on drugs like I went to some weird like k-hole or something like that like it was very strange it felt very almost not I want to say out of body, but inner body.

But I was awake. I was never asleep. But if anything crazy happened, like an alarm went off, I would have got right up. I would have been fine. But in that state, someone can talk you into that state, and you put yourself, you willingly allow yourself to get into that state. talk you into that state and you put yourself, you willingly allow yourself to get into that state.

That's for me in this situation, if it was a different situation and it was a more gullible person or more easily led person. And then the hypnosis professional was like more into doing that. Hypnotist Joe. Hypnosis professional. It's not hypnotist. Okay. Hypnotist, Joe. Hypnosis professional. Hypnotist, okay. If that guy was more into getting you to remember a certain noise or a certain sound, and when you heard that sound, you're going to associate with something.

Yeah, something. I think that's possible. Okay, so let's assume that's real, and it probably is. It might be all hoaxes, but I've seen documentaries. I don't know for sure it's a documentary. I don't think it is a hoax. So let's just assume it's real. I don't know for sure.

It's a documentary. I don't think it is a hoax. So let's just assume it's real. If that's real, then you can say that a certain percent of the population can be hypnotized, right? Yes. Just like that. Not everybody, but a certain – what is that percentage? Let's just say – let's just guess and say what if it's 30% of the population has hypnotism abilities? It might be everyone if you allow yourself to.

Yes. It might be everyone. Exactly. It might be. Let's just say 30%. Let's say 60, 40, whatever. Then that, if those documentaries that we're talking about, it's true. If it is real that you could do that, then can you trigger something?

The people that can be hypnotized, like 30% of them, can you program something on TV, whether it's in the news or whatever, something, are they doing something to handle those people and get them to only believe in what they see on TV? You don't have to do it like that. You don't have to do it with... Would that be possible? Yeah, but you wouldn't do it that way.

No, because you'd have to sit down with those people and actually hypnotize them. You had to get them into that state. You have to know what kind of state they're in when you're bringing these suggestions into their mind. Sometimes I'm watching TV and I'm hypnotized. I'm watching Narco high as fuck. Yeah, but that's different. I don't think the government is trying to hypnotize you through Narco.

This is all I'm saying. You don't believe that, do you? What? The government's trying to hypnotize you through Netflix?. This is all I'm saying. You don't believe that, do you? What? The government's trying to hypnotize you through Netflix? Probably. I believe that. I don't think Netflix is in cahoots with the government.

I've had meetings with them. They seem like normal people. But my point is, this is just my wild conspiracy theory that, I mean, an answer, an attempt to answer the question, why you can show someone film like that? Like, would you just an answer, an attempt to answer the question, why you can show someone film like that, like what you just like film like that.

And there's five hours of shit like that. Okay. The Empire Enmasse is five hours of shit like that. Okay. Ow. What? Just people can see it. Right.

They can see the build Tower 7 go boom, but they're going to believe the government. I look, I keep saying this about tower 7 tower 7 looks to me like an implosion it looks to me like a demolition but i don't know shit i don't know shit you know there's two thousand giant fire inside that building that caused the building to fail and it collapsed like that and i'm talking all this crazy shit i know they blew it up i know they use bombs then i'm an idiot and so if i'm saying I know one way or the other, it's kind of crazy. You can't really say it. I don't have enough information.

But you've got to have, based on what you see, your opinion. You know what I mean? Based on what I see. Of course, no one knows for sure. That's not my opinion. My opinion is it looks like a controlled demolition. Yeah. Now, look, if you see a submission, okay, and you know it's a dog shit submission and

the guy taps out, you go, well, that guy quit. Well, you'll know that guy quit because you'll know that that's not a good submission because you're an expert in submissions. When I see a building collapse like that, I'll say, yeah, it looks like a controlled demolition because that's what it looks like. But that doesn't mean it's a controlled demolition. It could easily have been a crazy fire that caused a catastrophic failure of the structure of that building. And I don't know jack shit about structures of buildings. So I can't say that. Nobody is saying that you do

and no one is saying that you, based on what you're, like a juror isn't an expert in all this forensics. You're going on what the experts say. You're not going on, juror's not going to go, well I don't know if he killed him. I wasn't actually there so I don't know. There's all this evidence. The juror has, based on the evidence, you have to, you know, it's okay to say,

based on all the gangster shit that's going on, they don't say shit for seven years. A detective would go, wait a minute. Let's get away from that. Here's what's interesting about that building. Here's one of the things that makes this theory more fascinating, and this is a fact. They had offices inside that building of the NSA. I think it was the CIA. Find out what offices were inside Tower 7

because it was a crazy building. It wasn't just like a regular building. That building had some really nutty shit stored in it, some crazy information and offices. It wasn't like, oh oh my god they they crushed the prudential building we lost all this insurance policy numbers and you know data nope no it wasn't that no it was way nuttier than that it was it was like really intense foreign policy shit intense financial shit it was like there's some crazy offices inside there what do you got there

jamie here we go like look at look at what was in Building 7. This is fucking fascinating. Can you imagine? Salmon Smith and Barney, okay, which is a financial company, Internal Revenue Service, Regional Council, U.S. Secret Service, American Express Bank International,

Standard Chartered Bank, Provident Financial Market Management, Hartford Insurance Group, First State Management Group, Federal Loan Bank, a lot of banks. But here it goes, NAIC Securities. Securities and Exchange Commission. That's when it gets really crazy. Security and Exchange Commission. It's like, that's the fucking, I mean, that's the mother load of money right there.

New York City Office of Emergency Management. What would a decent detective think based on all this? Would he go, no, they couldn't do it. You would look at that and you'd go, wow, it's convenient that that building collapsed because it seems like there's a lot of fucking tenants in there that probably had a lot of crazy information. The Secret Service, the Security Exchange Commission, and the Office of Emergency Management. That's a lot. And then all those banks. It's just high-level gangster shit.

Really, really important shit. High-level gangster shit. Who knows? I thought it was the CIA. I thought the CIA was in there as well. A small office of the CIA. Is that what it was? Eddie Bravo was a conspiracy theorist.

He knows. I'm just a blue belt compared to Rye Dawson. That guy breaks it all off. Well, there's a lot of people that have spent their whole life looking at that. If it is what we said, or what I said, rather, a catastrophic failure of a structure based on poor ability. That's horseshit. You know that's horseshit. If that is what a convenient building to collapse.

It seems like those offices would have a lot of really crazy shit in them. Like it seems like those offices would have a lot of really crazy shit in them and if a decent detective found out that oh It looks like to over 2,000 Architects risking their license risking their credibility is gonna go against the government right right But that's 2000 when you listen to them years for truth Is that we talk about they have the balls to do it everyone else like they don't want that most people don't want any trouble That's all I want to know is how many architects disagree with them and who's the better architect where's the video show that but that's what I don't know don't have the balls because it's obvious this is we're talking about

obvious shit I know you have to stay on the fence I know I know that I do this but I have to I say on the fence because yeah how I try to think yeah I try to I try to look at the evidence I'm looking at it because this is how I try to think. Yeah. I try to not get roughed up. You've got to look at the evidence. I'm looking at it. It takes them seven years to come out with a report, and then they don't test for explosives? I thought that when we were looking at that report, I thought we were going to see the CIA in there. It's less impressive with what we did have in there. I don't know if they would—

Maybe that's not everything. Very well could be. I don't know if they would rig a building like that with explosives when they were building it in the possibility that something went wrong and they had to destroy evidence. No. No, but that could be possible. No one has even said that. You can't even bring that up because that has never been brought up. But wait a minute. That's what happened.

If the building exploded, okay, if you do believe that the building was a controlled demolition, then someone rigged it. The idea is, if they knew that these people were going to be in this building, they knew this building was going to be a high security building, they could have rigged it with explosives when they were constructing it to make sure that in the event the building was taken.

Why do you say that didn't happen? Because when did it get detonated? When did it get fitted? When did it get fitted? At five something. But when did it get fitted with those explosives? Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, it's not my idea either.

There's many people that are speculating that when the building was actually constructed, they constructed it with this possibility. They made it. Why do you say no? No. Why do you say no? When you look at the whole story, I'm only bringing up Tower 7, but there's a million pieces to the story.

When you put all the pieces together, you're like, that's just one part of it. Well, hey, how did the building—why are you convinced that that's how the building got brought down? What does it say? The Department of Defense and Central Intelligence Agency. Okay, yeah. They shared the 25th floor with the IRS. Okay, yeah. That's it.

Department of Defense— Hold on. We're just reading the facts. So the Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency were there on the 25th floor with the IRS. Floors 46 through 47 were mechanical floors, as were the bottom floors and part of the 7th floor. Okay. And that could all be bullshit. Who knows? That could just be someone just fucking around.

That's Wikipedia, bro. That is locked solid. Where did that come from? That is locked down and tight. But why would you think that it's impossible for them to rig the building with explosives

when they construct it? Because it's impossible because they didn't say anything for seven years. After public pressure, they were forced to put a scientist out there in front of these reporters to finally give a reason.

And they said it was because of fires. I understand. And they gasped. Why didn't you check for explosives? This is what it was all about. You said this three times already. I get it. But that doesn't mean it's impossible.

I'm just looking at the evidence. But that's not even the evidence. It doesn't mean that it's impossible. If it was a controlled demolition, let's get crazy. An alien could have blew it up, and that's not impossible. Let's say it. Let's look at it and say it's a controlled demolition. Let's say it looks like a controlled demolition.

Let's assume it is. How did the bombs get into the building? How did they put them in? Why is it impossible? If you look in, if you, wait, are you asking me a question? Why is it impossible that they put those bombs in it when they were building it? In the case, or when the Secret Service took over, or when whoever made the tenant, maybe they installed the bombs to make sure, in an event that something happened.

Like, in 96, I believe it was 96, the World Trade Center towers, they blew them up in the basement, remember? They had a car bomb that went off in the basement. They thought they were going to take the tower down. If these people thought that put this building in place or that took over this building, the CIA, the NSA, whoever the fuck it was, if they knew that they had some really important, secure information there, it's very possible they could have said, okay, in the event that someone does blow up the World Trade Center, like in 96, because it's already happened before, and a catastrophic failure, we can demolish this building. Hey, if you want to lean towards that theory, that's fine, too. I'm not trying to change anybody's mind.

I'm not leaning towards anything, but why are you saying that that's impossible? Anything's possible. I wasn't there. You weren't there. But we're going based on what we know. Like if this was a jury. What do we know? We're not looking for God's truth.

We're looking like a jury, like a detective. How would they handle the truth? You know what I mean? If everybody was legit, you've got to look at it like that. What do you think happened? If you think it was a controlled demolition, how do you think the bombs got in the building? It's so deep. It's so deep and so long.

Like I said, you put all that 9-11 information. Forget about the Pentagon. This five-hour documentary has nothing to do with the Pentagon. That's like so much info, just like that video you showed. Five hours of that crushing evidence. When you look at that as a Jew or as a detective, you're like, of course

it was an inside job. In that documentary, they lay out the countries that have always done shit like this. They've always done it. They got busted in an Iran contract. But let's not get off course here. I still want to find out what you're thinking on Building 7, because you're convinced that Building 7 was a demolition, right? As a juror,

it's a demolition, based on all the testimony. How do you think they set it up for demolition? Well, there's evidence if you're watching this documentary, up for demolition? Well, there's evidence. If you're watching this documentary, there's so much information. But there's evidence of them constantly doing work and fake-ass workers working on the elevator shafts. There's all this evidence of that. It's so deep.

I don't remember the names of the guys or anything like that. All these people that were working there, they just set that building up to blow up? Yeah, they took time and they just had fake, it's a fact that the elevator was always broken and there was always people, like the month before, there's all these fake passes and there's a lot of evidence. There's five hours, you're going to go shit. There's reports. God, I love this kind of timing, Bravo.

Yeah, yeah. But you know what, i'm so obsessed with those details i don't know why but i we're living in a world post 9-11 that's we're living in a crazy world where people are fucking dying in the middle east and getting blown up and getting murdered and kids and stuff like that that's going on i just can't i need to find out why they're doing like what's going on i just i'm obsessed with how is this racket? How do they operate? I want to know the truth. And when you know the truth, it's just like, fuck, you just want to tell as many people as possible. We're this. Look, George Bush, a singer, gets busted national national TV with the Iran Contra

situation. He becomes president after that. And then he's running all this shit and all this drugs in his arms through Arkansas with an unknown governor, Bill Clinton, who's letting it happen. And then he becomes president after George Bush. As a detective, I don't know the truth. I wasn't there.

I don't know what their relationship is like. It looks like, I'm like, that's some gangster shit going on right there. And they're just playing with the public and all the dumb motherfuckers who believe that there's this Republican-Democrat battle going on. It's fascinating and frustrating at the same time and very scary that, man, we're living with people that just follow the official story and whatever they say. That's the truth. And all the other shit that's not the official story, that's crazy. Well, there's a lot of people that do really love to buy the official story and they love to argue it. They love to argue the official story about everything.

Yeah, the scary thing is the people, when you ask anybody, they'll say, yeah, the government's fucked up. Yeah, the government, you can't trust the government. Everybody will say that. No one's ever said, you can totally trust the government. I trust the government. No one ever says that, ever. Everyone says, I fucked the government, bunch of crooks.

But when they get busted and there's all this evidence and all this shit going down and it's so crystal clear, can you imagine if the video of Tower 7 was not available until 10 years later? That would be the craziest fucking, a conspiracy theory that nobody would get behind,

nobody would waste their time. That building goes down, there's no video of it. There's gonna be people that were there that would go, dude, it's a crazy building. Some Tower 7 just fell down like it was controlled demo. People go, you crazy motherfucker. Where's the video?

Where's the video? Where's the video? That's all they would say. That's what happened with the Kennedy assassination. Exactly. That was 10 years later. So can you imagine if there was no video? Because of all the angles that came out right away,

right away we had all that footage it's almost like it like that was good for the people that were behind this like it was beautiful because you could see that on youtube and has millions of views but people will go well the government said it was fires so i believe it's fires hmm you know i mean you're watching it you're watching it go down a bunch of different angles. But I'm going to go with the government on this one. Government for 200. You know, that's scary. That kind of mentality is what I'm scared of.

I'm scared of conspiracy theories. That's what I'm scared of. Enough of that shit. Light this fucking joint back up. Conspiracy theories killing my brain. I got to go to Australia, bro. I can't handle it. Crazy shit, man. Maybe I should just say, shut the fuck up about it and just close my

fucking eyes. Just look straight. Sometimes I think about that, you know, is that better? No, I wonder how long, if there really is some crazy global cabal going on that's ripping off the world, how much longer are they going to keep going with this in these days of Edward Snowden? You know what? There's hope. When you find out exactly how the racket works, the global racket works, when you look into it with an open mind

and, I mean... We just went right back into it. I thought we were going to get out of it. I don't even know what I was going to say now. What were we even talking about? Global Cabal, look how it works If you look at how it works Man, I totally forgot I told you

Global Cabal, let's figure this out Global Cabal, what else? I'm going to go with Tower 7, Chemtrail, Black Helicopter CIA, George Bush Barry Mina, Arthur Shaw When you look at it, how it all goes down, and bit by bit,

how it all goes down, it's like fucking nuts. It's nuts. And I think, there's no way we could ever regain control of the media because that's where all the power is. It all comes down to the media.

Who controls that shit? And when you, do we ever have control? We gotta go to alternative media for the truth, but then no one believes that. Everyone believes the shit that the government gives us,

the PR pro fucking propaganda machine from the Pentagon. Everyone believes that. They don't believe the alternative media because, oh, you know what? It looks like it was low budget because look at the kind of film and the lighting they use.

It doesn't, I don't believe that. That looks like they're in their garage. I want to believe this shit on Fox. That's how people think. They might not say that, but that's what. I want to believe this shit on Fox. That's how people think. They might not say that, but that's what's going on because that's what people believe. Most of the people think. But as the news does a shittier and shittier job of covering events in detail, I think people are leaning more and more towards alternative sources.

Yes. It's like the Guardian. When they released all those Ed Snowden documents, they weren't the only ones who were offered that. Yeah. It's just they got lucky. They found a guy in Glenn Greenwald that wanted to put his balls out there

and do it and then they go after whistleblowers John Stockwell is a former CIA agent wrote a couple books CIA took control of the royalties of his books because you can't be talking about this stuff so he's not making money off the books the CIA just took control of his shit

John Stockwell he was a CIA agent for 13 years most of the people in the CIA they come in to fight communism they're trying to help the world they're trying to help the United States it's the criminal element there's a few key players the guys with all the power at the top the craziest guys at the top and a lot of guys in the CIA have no idea they don't tell everybody I think it's like what you were saying earlier that we were talking about how in the 1980s and whatever, before the internet, there was only a few different programs,

so everybody was on these channels. But I think in this day and age, there's so much information out there. There's so much stuff to listen to and so much stuff to watch and so much stuff to pay attention to. It's just overwhelming that when something happens, even if it's a big deal, it's gone in a couple days. Some new shit coming down the pipe. University of Missouri, they're having a fucking hunger strike.

Oh, that lady, she pushed that kid and she called for muscle. There's a new thing every goddamn day. You know, a few days ago, the Pentagon got busted with a gas station that cost $43 million to build. And everyone was like, why is a gas station in that part of the world? It's normally between $200,000 and $500,000 to build a gas everyone was like, why is a gas station in that part of the world? It's normally between $200,000 and $500,000 to build a gas station. $43 million.

And they're like, it just is. It's fucking expensive. The latest word out there, Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9-11 said, we have $2.3 trillion missing. That's ridiculous, right? He just says, we don't know where it's at, but it's gone. So they had to make a fucking Pentagon briefing. They had to tell the world listen we lost 2.3 trillion september 10th

yeah that was september 10th and the next day uh that office in the pentagon is looking into it blows up but anyways as a as a juror i'm like gangsters gangster shit's going on right here dude i don't have to i'm not fucking i'm i'm a grown-ass man i know how gangsters they gangster shit's going on right here, dude. I don't have to, I'm not fucking, I'm, I'm a grown ass man. I know how gangsters they are. I'm like, that's dude,

it's obvious, right? So, but the hope you, you think there's no hope because they control the media. They got it. But what shows me hope is what's happening with hemp and marijuana. The resurgence,

taking a schedule one drug, a schedule one drug and making it legal. In several states now, including Washington, D.C., which is crazy. It's more and more and more. It's becoming legal. So that shows that the federal government doesn't, they still Schedule I. They didn't want this. But that shows that the people actually, ultimately, if the people all can get together they do have all the power the people

do have the power because we still remember that from the constitution that's one thing we remember we i don't remember the fucking amendments and all that but i go i know we have the power and you guys supposed to be working for us right now it's not like that and it's fucked up but we know we're supposed to have the power and when we learn that and we learn how powerful we are we took a schedule one drug that was demonized, that was persecuted. It wasn't just left by itself. They went after the psyche of the nation globally, really, not just nationally. That was real.

That's not a conspiracy theory. The reefer madness propaganda, that's some evil shit. So when people tell me, oh, do you know there's parts of the government that do this? I don't need fucking evidence. You could tell me anything. I'm like, it's probably true. And if it's not true, who gives a fuck anyways? But I believe it.

You're talking about criminals. Is it criminal activity? And does it seem like, oh, you can make money that way? Whatever you're telling me. I see where the money comes from. If I don't see where the money comes from, I go, maybe it's bullshit. But if you could see how they can make money, I'm like, they probably do it. Because if you just thought of it, they probably thought of it too.

They're running everything. But there's hope. There's hope in my shit that people do have the fucking power. Fuck. We can make a difference. Someone's in a position. They're in a position where they can lock people up. They can intimidate people with the threat of locking people up.

Even for something as silly as marijuana. I mean, people will say, well, that's, you know, it's not even an important point. Remember when Obama said there was some sort of write-in on the Internet, like what should they talk about? And I forget what speech he was giving with Town Hall. What was the number one question? And he's like, the number one question was legalization of marijuana. And he was like, well, I don't know what that says about the people

that are calling in. You know, he jokes around about it like it's not, it's not a, you know, a serious topic, but of course it's a serious topic because marijuana by itself, whether you like pot or don't like pot, it's not about that. It's about freedom and it's a serious topic when you have a subject like marijuana, which all these people enjoy and there's no reason why it should be illegal and yet it's still illegal that's not freedom see if marijuana made people's fucking brains melt and made your dick fall off and you know made people just start running out into traffic there would be a reason why

someone would say hey we got to spend a lot of money to stop this because it's gonna destroy our youth ruin our children and just devastate our society since that evidence doesn't exist it doesn't make any sense. So if someone is still arresting people when there's no evidence that they should be, that's when shit gets scary. That's scary. That's a freedom issue because they're letting you know they could just lock you in a cage. We have a difference of opinion. I'm not even willing to look at scientific evidence. I don't care about scientific evidence. I care about what's written on this piece of paper. And this piece of paper says, if you're stuck, if you have a certain amount of these plants, I can put you in a cage and I can make money off of you being in that fucking cage.

That is a freedom issue. It has nothing to do with marijuana itself. Now you and I are obviously marijuana advocates and we're marijuana enthusiasts and we're known for having beliefs that marijuana is not just a it's not just a fun thing but it's a very important thing for creativity it's like a turbocharger for creativity absolutely and it doesn't get recognized for what it is because it's been demonized so it's not about whether or not you should start doing it or other people should start having our our opinions and changing your mind on it it's about recognizing why we have these opinions in the first place, because they're not based on fact at all. These are 1930s propaganda ideas that were,

at the time, fucking tsunamis, right? Tsunamis of information back when there were so few portals. They put a movie like Reefer Madness out. Can you imagine? William Randolph Hearst is the guy running the newspapers. He's got all these stories he's printing about Mexicans and black people raping white people. When those were the only fucking voices on the horizon, people freaked out about any kind of information like that. That was all that was available. It wasn't like that. And then you go online and Mike Tyson fucked a tiger?

What? You know, or Dan Bilzerian lost $100 million playing poker. Why do you suppose they went after marijuana in just a demonic way? Well, I think it was gone after in a very calculated way by a guy who went after a lot of things like that. William Randolph Hearst, stand-up prophet for marijuana being illegal, remaining illegal. In fact, they named it marijuana. For people who don't even know, the name marijuana referred to a wild Mexican tobacco. And it had nothing to do with cannabis. Cannabis was hemp. And everybody knew that. And they knew that as a textile and as a commodity, it was extremely valuable for the American people. And it was a big deal that he found it because he had known about this and people denied its existence.

And then he found this documentary, Hemp for Victory. And it was made during World War II after hemp was essentially made illegal. But they wanted hemp to use for sales. They used for canvas. It was all made with hemp. All the great paintings, like the Mona Lisa, that shit is painted on canvas, which comes from cannabis. I mean, it is a commonly used plant throughout human history. Thousands of years of use, all, like, intercepted by a propaganda campaign.

This propaganda campaign by one guy and a bunch of other people that conspired with it as well, where there was two factions of it. One guy wanted to profit. What did he do, put out movies? Like, William Randolph Hearst put out movies? He paid for that, but he also owned hearst publications he owned the newspapers so he printed these wild stories of white women getting raped by people smoking marijuana well he owned hundreds of like he owned not just newspaper but he owned hundreds of thousands of acres of trees and he used those trees and made paper out of them. He owned paper mills.

If hemp became the new billion-dollar crop, as it was predicted on the cover of Popular Science magazine, if that happened, William Randolph Hearst would, I mean, he would have been fucked. He would have had to spend millions of dollars converting his newspapers to hemp paper. So he was like, fuck it. I'll just write evil shit about marijuana. I'll just call it marijuana. So it wasn't even about going after the drug.

It was about going after what the fibers of the plant do. That's a conspiracy theory right there. It is. And can you imagine? It's provable. That was all during the 30s and 40s. Can you imagine that there had to be some people that were thought of as some tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists that are saying that weed is actually not doesn't make you do all these crazy things that they're putting in the movies.

And with all this reefer man and propaganda, there's people those people must have been. They look so goddamn crazy. Well, even today, people try to debunk this. People have said that to me and they sent me to a website. Dude, that's been debunked. Sorry. What was debunked? That William Randolph Hearst had set up marijuana and worked with, what was the guy's name? Harry Anslinger.

Harry Anslinger. But it hasn't been debunked. Not only has it not been debunked, William Randolph Hearst was a notable cunt. Everybody knew he was a cunt. Orson Welles made a movie about what a cunt he was. Who's protecting fucking William Randolph Hearst? It's the same mentality. It's the same mentality we were talking about before.

It's the same people. They believe 100% of the official stories. It's those people. 100%. 100%. 100%. I'm 100% for 100%. The Lee Harvey Oswald one. Whatever they say, I'm going with it. They would never lie. It's hard because some people automatically gravitate towards conspiracies.

Some people automatically gravitate towards- Well, when they're criminals. Towards the official story. But I think a lot of times the reality is somewhere in the middle. And it's hard to find the reality. Depending on the conspiracy theory. You can't just say that about it. That's true.

9-11, there's so much shit. You can't just say that about it. That's true. 9-11, there's so much shit. And like I said, people think however crazy they think it is, Iran-Contra was just as crazy. Everyone thought they were crazy. Yeah, it's real. And it got busted.

But the William Renner first thing, here's why it really can't be totally debunked. First of all, we don't really know. We weren't there. So it's very difficult to prove, and it's very difficult to disprove. But one thing we do know, he definitely did print stories about this drug that everyone was terrified of. He definitely did contribute to the making of Reefer Madness. I'm almost positive of that. Did he have proof that he okayed that story?

Did you find out William Randolph Hearst had anything to do with the funding of the movie Reefer Madness? We need a memo where he okays that story. You know what I mean? Where he signed off on it. But here's the other aspect of it that we didn't talk about. The timing of this is right after Prohibition ended. So Prohibition was a boom to law enforcement.

They were constantly working. They were arresting people, locking people up. And then on top of that, organized crime emerges in a huge way. I mean, that's where Al Capone got all his money. That's where the Kennedys got their fucking money. It's all from running booze, man. So there's all these people that are illegally running booze, and they're making crazy money, and they wind up in positions of power, and even wind up having their fucking children become president.

That's the real story of the United States, is that Kennedy's fucking parents were drug runners. Their drug was just a liquid drug. It's just the same as running coke, just the same as growing weed right now today. They're all criminals. It's just as just the same as running coke just the same as growing weed right now. They're all criminals It's all and JFK and his brother Robert they something turned him and they decided they're gonna try to save the world Maybe that's yeah, I mean they thought they could trust him because one thing's for sure he was an extreme He was like Bill Clinton when it came to girls. Yeah, they thought they had him in the bag they thought he wouldn't he totally just stay in line And they had to get rid of him

Everybody So they That's interesting So they probably like Have a guy like that They get him in the office And go listen dude We know you're a freak

Just shut the fuck up Fuck as many as you want Yeah We'll keep you protected Or You know shit's gonna get ugly Sign a couple bills You know what I mean

Sign a little trade agreement Whatever It's a big deal We're gonna invade the Congo Just don't mess with this side Yeah Just you could do a little trade agreement With big deal we're gonna mess with this side yeah just you could do a little trade agreement with mexico and all that but it's very who knows it's it's very intriguing when you start looking at possibilities like that because it comes from a criminal family so you know it's very obvious they're all gangsters

they turn they try to change the world so and then they had to get rid of them it's just like it's like you know so you got gangster 101 yeah. And then you got the gangsters who are the police officers who are arresting people for booze. Okay. Because let's be honest. It's not the cops that are the gangsters, but the people that are telling the cops where to go for sure are gangsters. Why is it out in the first place? Who the fuck? Who says you can't have whiskey?

What kind of bitches are we? We're supposed to be America. Someone's going to come along and say you can't have a drink. How about fuck you? That doesn't make any sense. How about fuck you? That doesn't make any sense. You can't drink? So I'm supposed to just live my life by your fucking wacky rules?

I like drinking. Alcohol should- Drinking is fun. It's so much fun. It should be illegal. It should be. I'd be all for making it illegal. It'd be cool to drink it like back in the 20s or 30s, whenever that was. Sneaking.

No, we'd have organized crime would be even bigger, man. That shit becomes dangerous. Look, I mean, Jack Daniels. Dude, there's no beers on the corner. Here's a perfect example. Jack Daniels has been around forever, right? They sell whiskey, super popular everywhere. I drink Jack Daniels on a regular basis, right?

That company's not evil. They're not killing anybody. Jack Daniels isn't fucking gunning people down the street. Jack Daniels isn't taking over new territories. Jack Daniels isn't fucking gunning people down the street. Jack Daniels isn't taking over new territories. Jack Daniels isn't fucking burrowing holes underneath prisons and digging people out. But Al Capone would. Yeah, but the corporation that owns

Jack Daniels probably is. I don't know if the corporation is even Jack Daniels itself. It might just be Jack Daniels Distillery. I don't know. I think someone took that shit over. Come on. Who cares? Who cares? My point is that Jack Daniels isn't an evil company. They can make money. But if you can make money doing shit like that, then there's less of a criminal element to it.

It's a safe company. There's a lot of bad shit that gets done by people who are drunk on Jack Daniels, for sure. But Jack Daniels, the company, is not like Al Capone. That's my point. Like when you let companies sell things legally, you get the tax benefit from it and the companies aren't filled with criminals. Because the only people that are willing to run heroin are going to be crazy fuckers like that guy from Breaking Bad. That's going to be the people that are going to be running heroin. They're going to be out of their fucking mind. Those are the people that you're going to get. But if it was legal, you're going to get Bill Gates. their fucking mind.

Those are the people that you're going to get. But if it was legal, you're going to get Bill Gates. You know? I mean, if it's legal, fucking, how many rock stars have their own whiskey

or tequila or some shit like that? There's a bunch of those guys. The rappers, they always have their own tequila or something. Like, everybody's got their own shit.

It's okay. They're legal drug dealers. But as long as you're making money legally, paying taxes, the whole thing, it's across, it's above board.

No one cares. It's like, it's proof positive that drugs should be legal. Because alcohol is one of the fucking worst. One of the worst for your body. Worse than cocaine. Most likely the worst person has. The traffic accidents.

It's fucking terrible. Are there cars out there that won't turn on if the driver's drunk? My friend had one. Wow. My friend in Colorado had one. He's a buddy of mine from New York. Moved to Colorado. What kind of car is that? Well, he had it used for one. He's a buddy of mine from New York, moved to Colorado. What kind of car is that?

Well, he had it used for work. He got a DOI. The car is not unique. It's a setup on the ignition. They have a thing built into the ignition. The ignition will not start unless he has to blow a blood alcohol content, then he has to wait a few minutes. And it won't fire up for him if he's drunk.

That's brilliant. Yeah. That should be mandatory. It's a idea yeah but it's not it's not convenient at least his wasn't his says it takes a few minutes and i'm like dude that's gotta suck in the snow because it's colorado i mean he lives in denver those drunk driving schools they don't want that to pass they're lobbying against it they're holding it back they probably would have had a long time ago but the drunk driving topless schools, they all got together. Well, what's going to save that

is these fucking Google cars. These, like the Tesla that can drive itself. That's going to save all that shit. How does that work? They work on sensors. They already work on sensors. Like, it's fairly common now that your car will know

when you're going across lines now. Have you ever noticed that? Like, there's a lot of cars. Like, I had an Infiniti. It did it. They sort of drive themselves? No, but it lets you know if you're crossing a line. It keeps you like,

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cadillac has one. It's weird, man. Have you seen those new Cadillac Escalades? Uh-uh. Dude, those things are dope. I rent one of those everywhere I go. I love those things.

First of all, I love them because I'm an old Italian man. How much do they cost? It's a fucking Cadillac. They're probably in the high 60s, maybe in the 70s, $1,000. They're not cheap, but they're not cheaply made either. They're fucking badass. I rent them all the time. I love them.

They're so smooth, too, dude. They have this magnetic ride control suspension, so it just floats over everything. You get this great view of everything. Every time I'm in one, I'm like, why don't I drive one of these every day? But they have this thing in the seat where if you get close to the edge, it vibrates on your thigh, on your left thigh. So if you're getting close to the edge of the lines, like where the lines are, it lets you know, hey, hey, hey, bitch, get over here.

It's really weird. It's real weird. If you're backing up, it'll give you a little vibrate if you get too close to things. So it's not just looking. You're not just seeing it in a camera or hearing it and beeps that get close. You know how they have those, and some BMWs, they have that beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

The closer you get to the thing, it lets you, hey, bitch, you're going to hit this fucking thing. Yeah. Not only does the Cadillac do that, but it vibrates your seat. It lets you know where it is. If you're about to hit something on the right-hand side, your right thigh will start vibrating. It's really weird. It's fucking trippy. I don't remember what my point was.

We're talking about cars. Oh, so that's how they use some sort of cameras to see those lanes. So they know when you're out of lanes. Because even if the road curves, they know. They know if you keep going straight and the road curves, bitch, what the fuck are you doing? And they also have this thing called, it's a, it's, you know how you have cruise control, like regular cruise control?

This is a laser, a laser distance detecting cruise control. So like say if your car, this is pretty common now too. If your car is ahead of mine and I set my cruise control for 65 miles an hour, if you slow down, my car slows down too. If you speed up, my car speeds up. I don't have to touch shit.

You just put your hands on the steering wheel. It slows down for you, it speeds up for you. You know anybody who buys a car like that is going to sign a fucking stack of waivers like a notebook. You know what I mean? Right? Come on. Can you imagine the fucking accidents? Holy shit.

Well, this is what they're saying. They're saying the Google cars have only had a couple accidents. And they've been running them through San Francisco for a while. Damn. But people have – I wonder how much the Google accidents have been Google's fault. It's so hard to drive. Jesus Christ. It's so hard, man.

I want my arms down. You still got to sit down. It's so comfortable. But do you really not like driving? I would rather have a driver, but I don't trust a car. It's too unpredictable. You got to make some razor sharp decisions on the highway. There's a lot of, it doesn't have every situation programmed in the car. It's too unpredictable. You've got to make some razor sharp decisions on the highway. There's a lot of...

It doesn't have every situation programmed in the car. There's all these weird, awkward situations where you're just driving and you could have avoided it if you would have had control. But are those weird, awkward situations occurring because people are retarded? Like if everybody had a driver car, a car that drove itself,

maybe those would just vanish. And maybe you would get like a green light when you get on the road. How much you smoke, man? A lot. But maybe. Think about it. Because like when you watch, like I watched this girl texting the other day on her phone and it was so frustrating because we were on the highway.

We were going like 65 miles an hour and a couple times she came close to my lane. And whenever someone does that, I go, oh, I guarantee you they're fucking with their phone. And I look over and this girl's doing this shit Everybody does that shit man. I don't do that. I don't do that. No, I don't do that I leave my fucking phone on the passenger seat. I take it. I put it over there I'm not fucking with that but you'll talk and drive though I'll talk and drive on my phone on my press a button on the which steering wheel

Yeah, that's not bad like because it's going through the Bluetooth you have a little conversation It's like you can see everything. It's like having a Because it's going through the Bluetooth. You can have a little conversation. You can see everything. It's like having a conversation with a dude who's sitting next to you. It's totally normal. Is it legal to, because it's illegal to text or to do anything on your phone. Is it illegal to go through your CDs

or go through your stations on your satellite? No. You can't do this, but you can do this. You can press the thing on your car? No. You can't do this, but you can do this. You can press the thing on your car that's stationary. It's like locked in. But if you have something in your hand, you start pressing that to make your music come on,

which all my music is on my iPhone. I carry everything on my iPhone. I carry all my music. I used to have an iPod connector in my car. No one does that anymore. I still have it in my BMW. It still has a little iPod connector. I still have iPods. Why, though?

My fucking phone is 100 and something gigs. Like, there's no way I need all that. Yeah. Like, you'd have to have every, how could you listen to all that, you greedy bitch? You have to be a crazy person. Yeah. I think people are now, since we went to, it seems like seems like more and more just using our laptops less

and our phones way more. So I think that's great for music. Listening to music on your computer is not as cool as being out and about on your phone with headsets and you can go in on the airport music.

You can send me, you've sent me songs and I listen to them you know you can go in on the airport music know that you can send me you've sent me songs yeah and i listened to them right when you sent me them yeah like literally there's no delay at all yeah like how crazy send me some of your shit and i press play and i'm listening to it in my car and then you threw up no it's good dude but in seconds in seconds like i mean you could you could ask siri now i i'm stop this because people are getting mad at me for saying this because it makes your phone go off. All right. If you say H-E-Y-S-I-R-I and say those things together, you can ask it things. Like it will transcribe things for you.

It transcribes for me accidentally. Just like I look down, the phone is like taking every word That I said accidentally Because I said those words during a podcast Or something that sounded enough like it But when you have that When you do something like that you can tell it Hey download me Smoke Serpent Hey Go to Eddie Bravo Radio number 3

And it'll fucking find it on the internet And play it for you Dude it's crazy That's what we were talking about before Before we started the podcast My music music conspiracy theory yeah okay what's your music experience this is involved this is just this is just me uh smoking a lot of weed and saying stupid but it seems that the record companies in the record business have always always ripped off the artists the The artists never make,

all of them, when you look at documentaries, every band, the same thing. They get ripped off. If you watch that Eagles documentary, it's amazing.

I'm not an Eagles fan. I'll never buy an Eagles CD, but I respect the shit out of them. How dare you? I respect the shit out of them. Heroes on the ceiling.

I respect the shit out of them, and they do got some good stuff, but I'm just not that kind of southern rock. We're all just prisoners here of our own device. Yeah, I love the shit out of them, and they do got some good stuff, but I'm just not that kind of Southern rock. We're all just prisoners here of our own device. Yeah, I love the story.

Shit, the documentary, the story of how they got together and their dynamics when they broke up and got back together and shit. Dude, the Eagles story is amazing. You don't like Hotel California? It's all right. God damn, dude. Too many strippers dance to it. But the story, and then you watch a 30 Seconds to Mars documentary,

and the record company is suing him for like 30 million. Yeah, explain that, because that's Jared Leto, right? That's the actor. He also has a band, and his band had a deal with a record company, and it all fucking went... They just didn't get paid, basically.

They just never got paid. They were huge. They got a couple of really good songs. Echelon is one of my all-time favorite songs. But anyways, you watch that documentary, and it's always the same thing. The record company doesn't have money. They're not going to pay. We had to pay all this shit for you.

We bought your fucking video. We paid for your goddamn producer. You got to pay that shit back, and you better fucking get on the road, motherfucker. You owe us money. Is this the movie Artifact? Artifact, sometimes we must fight in order to be free. Okay, I got something to watch on the plane.

I think it's on Netflix right now. Is that 30 Seconds of Mars? Yeah, that's the one. It's really good. Is it on iTunes? It definitely was on iTunes and everything to buy for about a year. You gotta give it up to Jared Leto because he's the only guy on the planet that's a legitimate musician rock star. Legitimate, where he has millions of fans. He's sold millions of records.

And he's a very successful actor, too. You could almost say maybe he's reaching that A-list. Jared Leto is a famous dude. Nobody else has done that. Music and acting that huge? You've got to give it up. And they've got a a couple really good songs i'm not a gigantic 30 seconds of mars fan but echelon and the mission absolutely fantastic

so they uh they got a record deal and just were not getting any money yeah you know i forget the details but so then they went to court over it so they weren't getting no what happened is they weren't getting any money and jerry little said i'm fucking out this motherfucker you guys are you guys owe us so much shit he wasn't gonna say shit so he just said I'm gonna make an album on my own

fuck this we're selling millions of records we don't have anything and they're not giving us they're not paying us so the record company

goes oh you think you could just do that like the record the contract was over like in six months really they could've just waited it out but he just started

working on a new album said fuck that record company goes Oh, you work on an album. That's our album You know what I mean something like that something like that where they ended up suing them You think you could just walk away from us? How about we're gonna come after you and for 30 million, dude I have a friend who works. She's a receptionist. She was a receptionist. She got fired she's working for some company that makes TV shows or some shit and

They knew that she was a comedian, You know, she's an amateur comedian. And so while she was working with them, she developed this idea for some pilot with her and her friend, who was also a comedian. So then all of a sudden, the company she's working for wanted her to sign some intellectual property agreement. And anything she came up with when she was working there would be theirs. Yeah. And they literally said to her, while you work here, we own your brain.

Yeah. Just imagine how crazy that is. She's a fucking receptionist comedian, a funny comedian, too. And she's trying to make it. She's out there hustling. And the company that she works for, they make TV shows. They're not using her in that regard. They're using her as a receptionist.

They just decide that somehow or another they're going gonna figure out a way to steal from her they're gonna tap into her creativity we own your ideas but imagine that you're paying someone like dog shit money yeah you're paying someone like receptionist pay and you want to own their dream their dream of a show that's fucking dirty that's dirty every band goes through the same shit. It's like the record company is owned by gangsters themselves. And when you sign a contract, you don't give a fuck. You're just this kid from this small town. Your band got big. You're in Hollywood now.

You're going to sign the goddamn deal. You don't even care. You know you're getting ripped off. It's so known that everybody knows in the music business, you don't make any money on your first album or two they'll make it so that you'll start making money on your third or four album album uh that's where you're gonna get a bigger cut but that first album or two you ain't gonna make shit and you know what it's better it's good business to just when it's time for you to make the good money now we're just gonna leave you on

your own and find a new artist we always always need to bring in the new ones. There's always new R&B artists. There's always new rappers. There's always new ones. There's new ones coming in. New rock bands. They're always coming in. 95% of them are going to fail,

and they won't never make it to their third album, but they got them coming in. That's the deep conspiracy, right? Because they all make the money in their second and third albums, and the first album just gets ripped. Unless it's like an anomaly where you have a Depeche Mode or U2 where they get fucking massive and they could just sustain a career.

And 20 years into their career, they write fucking Beautiful Day. And that's a smash hit. Yeah. You know, once you're like that, then after like 10, 15 years, you own your own shit and you realize, okay, I'm going to do my own shit here. But then get the majors to distribute it. I'll use their distribution like what Dr. Dre did. How about what Prince did? He had to use a fake name.

He couldn't even use a name. Now looking back, everyone thought Prince was crazy. Prince is a fucking genius. He came up with a symbol. The artist formerly known as Prince. He's not Prince anymore. Nobody could say his shit. He loved it.

Nobody could say the band. Yeah. He can't say it. He proved a point, too. Bitch. You're coming to see me. They're coming to see me They're not they don't give a fuck Obama with Warner Brothers or A&M or yeah, you know, that's all nonsense They just stole they were stealing. Yeah, you know, they're trying to do that in the world of podcasting There's a there's a lot of that going on the world of podcasting where companies are coming in they're trying to own Half of podcasts and put you on a network. It's really common.

A lot of that has been going on where they're trying to scoop up podcasts. Because podcasts are such a simple model. You have one. You know how it is. You take it. You record it. You upload it on iTunes with some sort of a server. Easy.

It's not difficult. Use someone like a service like Libsyn is what we use. They're actually in the podcast distribution business. And once you do that, I mean, that's basically it. That's all you have to do. That's not a lot. If someone like Radiolab or like Hardcore History is a perfect example,

he's almost always in the top three or four whenever he releases something new. Maybe sometimes often one, number one. I've seen him one a couple times. It's just a dude and a producer putting together a history podcast. Yeah, and look at your podcast. You had a direct impact

on what's going on with marijuana today. 10 years ago, before this podcast, I think you are the biggest spokesmodel, not spokesmodel, spokesperson, spokesperson for for for getting people to open their eyes you know cuz I don't know about all that but I think the Internet is and I think I'm on the Internet that's what I think it is cuz I'm these aren't all my ideas these are ideas that I've gotten from

reading all sorts of crazy shit that gets sent me all the time reading different do the message yeah what's how much we all we're all like conduits we're all like rivers. You know, like some of us, we tap into like a big ocean of information and we could shuttle that shit downstream. That's really what it is. When you get a podcast or, you know, like someone sends me interesting shit on Twitter, I retweet things all day long. All day long. I always look at something.

I'll read it for a few minutes if it seems interesting. I retweet it. And that's why people say like, are you endorsing things and you retweet? I'm just, I found it interesting. Make your own goddamn conclusions. If I write, if I, if something is totally ridiculous, like some Christian guy thinks that a gaze are responsible for the drought, I will fucking retweet that. It doesn't mean I believe that. All right. I just think like, ah, look at this guy. I don't have time to go through all the information with people, but I'd like the fact that I'm this sort of portal.

So because of that, I feel like I get privy to or I get access to a lot of information that I might not have ever sought out myself. It gets sent to me. It's really cool. And then I do the same thing. I talk about it on here, and then we'll sit around, and we'll try to think about it. We'll try to break it down or figure out what's... It's just another river of the internet. That's what it is. This is all some new thing that's happening to the human race.

The human race gets to discuss things. And once the internet blew up That's when the music business supposedly went down and maybe it did go down because record sales definitely went down they disappear I pretty much with all tower records closed down Virgin Records close down. It's very close down crazy But it's the same owners of these record companies. They always told the artists they weren't making money. Now, this is my conspiracy theory. Now I think that music business is bigger than fucking ever with the

internet. They're not selling CDs. They're not selling solid product, but I think they're making so much more goddamn money than ever before. And why should they tell anybody? Oh no, you know what? The record business sucks.

So now, now you just want to get a record. Where are they making the money from? Online. But most of this stuff is being sold through what, iTunes? Is that the number one? The thing is, yes, people do steal music. Wait a minute, what are you saying?

No, no, I'm giving them the whole overall scope. People do steal music, I know that. But I think when you go the old way where you're the only way you're going to get a cd is through the actual distribution you can't reach fucking but a fraction of the world unless you're gigantic and you google unless you're one of the big bands very hard you gotta have a physical copy but yes we're not selling cds anymore but now we have the whole art the whole whole world, and they could buy it instantly. I mean, I can easily, I'm okay with computers. I'm like a blue belt in computers. I'm sure I could find a place where I can get free stuff, but iTunes is so convenient. I got an iPhone. I'm

buying all my old vinyl stuff and it's in my phone. I think more than ever now, now that we're a phone culture, I think music is bigger than ever now. I love music. I'm so passionate about music. I'm always hunting. It's easier to find stuff. Satellite radio with Shazam. Shazam is huge. Anytime I think now more than ever, I think music is getting really good.

There's a lot of good artists out there. And I think, I don't know, it sucked for a while. But I think there's going to be a new explosion of how we get our music. The record business aren't important anymore. What's important is music. What's important is music producers and artists. And everyone's producing their own stuff.

And you can distribute stuff in a unique way. It's a totally different animal now. I make a music, I make a song. Like if an independent label wanted to sign me as a producer or whatever, different animal now yeah i just so i make a music i make a song i'm i would i like if a independent label wanted to sign me as a producer or whatever i would never take like an independent label i would take some deal that was a huge deal that was life-changing but for me to it's just way easier just to do whatever i want to do not have to worry about anybody and just put whatever i want yeah whenever i want i don't have any deadline soon as you start getting deadlines and someone owns a piece of my

motherfucking music yeah I don't know about that not just a piece but most independent label well you know no one's heard of it's gonna be a huge label for me to honey honey had a problem with one of their last song they had this last album there's this one song that I loved and I'm like why isn't that song on your album and even though they wrote that song on your album? And even though they wrote that song, they produced it, it was all theirs, the record company wanted to own it. So it's like, oh, Jesus. So they just decided to not put it on there.

I'm like, that is crazy. That is crazy. They just want to own it. Someone else owns some shit. How crazy is that, though? You write it. You sing it. You write it.

You sing it. You experiment with it. You change it. You tweak it. And some dudes you don't know own it. Own it all. They own it. Yeah.

It's theirs. They want it. They didn't even pay anything for it. They don't want to pay you for it. They just want it. It's part of the deal. Give me it. So it's like, what exactly are the record companies needed for?

What are they needed for? But you know what's going on is the music video, MTV no longer exists as a music video TV station. What are they now? They just do it like a regular channel now. That's so weird. But they might show videos a little bit here and there. I don't even pay attention no more.

But why are record labels still making these huge, big budget music videos? Because now everyone, they go to Vivo or YouTube. People love watching music videos. Now it's easier. go to vivo or youtube people love watching music music videos now it's easier you can watch a music video now on your phone before you had to watch it on mtv how you're going to get mtv on your phone now so it's like a resurgence of music videos are

huge and and music is so easy to listen to and share and buy and shazam and spread amongst what the music uh industry thrives on niches and you know metal people and r&b people r&b people aren't trying to sell music to these white kids that are in the insane clown posse you know what i mean it the music music industry is all about do you know your niche and and are you selling to the right market And that's what the internet has become. So for music, I don't think the internet killed music. I think it's exploding right now. It only killed these parasitic music companies. That's what it killed. Yeah, exactly.

That's what it killed. The people ripping it off, most people are buying this shit. They were distributors. That's all they were. They were distributors and publicists. Now the publicist, the best version of it is social media. The best version of it is having a good connection with the fans on social media and people finding out about your shit and they spread it virally.

That's the best way to do it. Yeah. Then what happens is these companies, like these big record companies, they essentially become publicists. We own your Twitter. Yeah. They do that. We own your Twitter. Yeah. We own your Twitter. I told you what happened with our Cineo Hall.

Well, they tried to do that with me, man. They tried to own your Twitter? They tried to post on it. One of the TV shows I was doing. It was one of the requests. Can we borrow your account? They wanted to have access to my social media. They wanted to use my Twitter and my Facebook.

Oh, shit. And I was like, fuck you. There's no way. You could do that to like a fan page type deal. You know what I mean? Like an extra one that I'm not paying any attention. You create your own one. You could do that shit.

But if you sign off on that, it's still no good. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you don't know what the fuck they're putting up there. Unless you approve each and every message. You know, the best way to do it would be you tell me what you want me to say. What are you trying to get me to say? And I'll tell you whether or not that's ever going to happen.

And if you, if you want to say something in my voice, like it's, which they're trying to do. I'm like, you're fucking crazy. You're crazy. Cause I'm,

I'm not going to agree. Hey, you guys should tune into blah, blah, blah on primetime at eight. Amazing. Like, it'd be cool if you guys tweeted this.

Like, are you out of your mind? You think I'm going to tweet promotions for other shows or live tweet things that you've got going on or get involved with your fucking shark week or whatever the fuck it is? Like, that kind of crazy talk. Like, that's what happens when you become a part of a network. You also become, like, involved in promos.

And they want to, like, they owned Arsenio Hall's Facebook. He couldn't get his Facebook back. When he did that Arsenio, the resurgence of the Arsenio Hall show Did he own it before on his own? It was his. But to do a new show that was part of the deal, they wanted to take over his fucking Facebook. That's crazy. That's what they do. That's what they do. Because that's all the power.

You blow up some artist like Rihanna's Twitter, she can just based on her Twitter, she can make or break bands or not really break's twitter she can just based on her twitter she can make or break bands or not really break them she can make them yeah she could do incredible stuff you know by herself she has all the power so she loses the label just with that twitter oh yeah she owns her own shit oh and instagram and all those things that's all you need i bet i bet uh a lot of the deals now are i think the power is going back to the people. Everything is being set up, and record labels are probably fumbling.

They're still trying to jack young artists. They're still trying to do shit like this. And they're making all that online money. I don't know how much money that is. Everything online is a lot. I know, but I want to know, if there's ever been a study on what percentage of music gets purchased online and how much of it just gets downloaded illegally. What do you think the ratio is?

I think most people don't. If you had a guess. With Spotify coming in now and people paying for that, they can track that. People pay and it's high. And that's problematic. That's, in a lot of ways, a lot like a record company because that's one of the big complaints that artists have had about Spotify is that they

don't get paid enough money from it. That's like Taylor Swift's complaint about it. Oh, really? They're complaining. Yeah. Yeah. They, they're, you know, I think they're trying to get into the podcast world too, but the point is like all they're, they're like, they're an aggregator, right? They're a portal for something like how much money should a portal make? I mean, what percentage should a portal make and what percentage should Taylor Swift make? Taylor Swift should make almost everything. Yeah, slowly. Pharrell, look at this.

Pharrell made only $2,700 in songwriter royalties from 43 million plays of Happy on Pandora. What the fuck? What the fuck, man? Holy shit. That's like an Onion sketch, you know? I mean, that's like something the Onion would man? Holy shit. That's like an onion sketch. I mean, that's like something the onion would write for an article. You know how big you have to be to make any kind of money? $2,700.

$2,700 for 43 million plays. You know what? Someone's got to start like a Pandora that's actually a musician. Like an open source. Yeah, and say, listen, we're going to do this. It's called Tidal, Jay-Z, and a bunch of other... I wouldn't say all hip-hop artists started it, but they started something very similar. Higher quality

downloads. You can pay $10 a month or $20 a month. That's where that one Beyonce concert was for in Central Park. It was a special Tidal concert. That's where you watched it. So the artists make more money. Supposedly they make more money, but there was some backlash when that came out. Fans were saying, why do you need

more money? You already have money. Let's let independent artists get a chance to make some money. Is he getting all the money from it? Little by little, what appears to be happening is little by little, the artist is now, because

of the internet, is slowly the shift the artist is now because of the internet is slowly the shift the power is going back to them yes yeah because once an hour once you have followers and you can you can contact your fans you needed the record company to contact your fans how else are you going to contact your fans we don't even have cell phones back then exactly you need us exactly to put you on the radio get you on the radio had had really strict rules. They had really strict relationships. Radio's lost all their power too, man. They're cutting budgets left and right, firing people. Kevin and Bean are good friends of mine.

I do their show. That's the last terrestrial radio show I do. They're really nice guys, and I do their show. And last time I was there, Bean was there. He was telling me they meet with the upper management, but everyone's negative. It's all down. It's all downer.

No one's like, you guys are doing great. It's such an enjoyable show. Really appreciate that we're all working together. Everyone's just like, fuck, we've got to fire people. We've got to cut ties. It's like that business, it's kind of a dying business. It's like Morse code. Because now that you have your music on your phone, instead, I remember

it seems like just yesterday where I'm driving around. I always had 55 CDs in the back of my car, people stepping on them, there's always CDs, and once every couple weeks, I gotta fucking organize my shit, there's just CDs everywhere in my car. Now it's just your phone. It's just your phone, it's so much easier. Yeah, and it's on demand instantaneously. Anything you want, you could always, if you don't have something on iTunes or whatever, you could always go to YouTube and listen to it on YouTube. No, it's incredible. It's an amazing time for that. And now people.

And these guys that were like radio DJs are essentially what made them cool is their personalities. But when you get trapped in a DJ gig like that, you know, people get little snippets of your personality and your thought process on things. And then you play another song. of your personality and your thought process on things, and then you play another song. Like, I think for those guys, it's like they would be way better served without a radio show. They'd be way better served just talking about shit because that's what people enjoy about them.

Anybody could play those same records. You could have a robot voice that plays the same records. So the people that are tuning in just for the music, go ahead, do it, brother. The people that are tuning in just for the music, those people are going to tune in no matter what. That's what they want to hear. They don't care about the personalities. But the personalities, like guys like Kevin and Bean, they're fun dudes. They're interesting guys. And that's what is interesting about

that show. Like they would almost be better served if the radio station fired them and they had to go and do an internet show. Because if they did an internet show, it would just be them talking about stuff and it would be great. I mean it would just be a podcast These I think For the longest time was fucking really hard to get the internet on your phone You know you had to download shit. It was and then 3g came around to get a little bit better But then 4g LTE came around. It's like that shit is fast as fuck Instantaneous streaming like if you want to listen to a song,

there's almost never a hiccup. It's really easy and really quick to do. That's such a game changer, man. That's so... If those DJs are like a curator, though, where is it, where's the, where do you find your new music these days? Like, uh...

That's good point. If you're considered yourself, I guess, like the Twitter curator for sort of that kind of content yeah that's a really really good point that's a really good point that's why I'm so out of the fucking loop I don't know anything people tell me about some guy

like you know Eddie was talking about that King Daddy guy never heard of him until he talked about him I think it's Daddy Yankee Daddy Yankee? okay well whatever I never heard of that either

but think about that. You know, Eddie found out. He's like, I can't believe this guy's huge. I just found out from him in real time on the show. Like, there's so many people that no one has ever heard of that are gigantic. Music? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

We're talking about that King Daddy guy. Like, I didn't find out about him until you just said it. Yeah, he's huge. He's massive. He's playing the Staples Center. That's crazy. It looked like a movie. Staples Center. King Daddy? Yeah. looked like a movie. Staples Center.

King Daddy. Yeah. Come on. That sounds like a Chris Rock movie. Well, it's just an amazing time. It's an amazing time. It's an amazing time for promotion. It's an amazing time for, you know, it's an amazing time to do podcasts.

I mean, podcasts, this is the craziest time ever for podcasts. It's this new thing. I mean, we've been doing it for six years next month. It'll be December, like December 30th or something like that. It was six years in that time. Podcasts have gone from being some shit that people did for a goof to one of the ways, one of the few ways that I get entertainment. It's like one of the major ways.

My major ways are like walking dead, like shows like that, that I'll watch at home, hunting shows, MMA fights and podcasts. Those, it's a major part of like what I listen to. Not my own shit, but like Radio Lab, the TED radio, the TED podcast hour, Hardcore History, Ari's show, Joey's show. There's all these podcasts to listen to. There's always entertainment. Always, constantly. It's constant entertainment.

And I can't tell you how many fucking people I've talked to that say, hey, man, listen to your show. Because of your show, we started our own podcast. Anybody can do it. Why not? Why not? If it's good. If you have one person take a fucking chance on your podcast one person and they go that's pretty fucking good and they send it to their friend dude listen these

guys shoot the shit about shit like we saw it the other day when we were talking about um josh who uh we had it on the podcast we both watched a podcast that had like 2 000 downloads on youtube maybe but and it was over a year ago and jamie and i both watched it we both watched it because that had like 2,000 downloads on YouTube, maybe, and it was over a year ago. And Jamie and I both watched it. We both watched it because we wanted to see these guys take on it. So these guys take on it, which was intelligent. They're funny guys.

They had good points. They gave us like an insight into it. Now, because of that, I'll see that podcast, and I'll go, oh, these guys, I remember these guys. And that's what people do and then do do do do do next thing you know you got a hundred thousand downloads a month i mean that's that's not unusual that's like that's super possible and plausible now all you have to do is focus on something and put together something that's really good and unusual we all have friends like my friend dave dolan who just died let me tell you something if that motherfucker was alive, if he lived in LA, I'd have

him on the podcast every week. I'm kicking myself that I never had him on while he was alive, but he never comes to LA. That guy would be hilarious on a podcast. If someone gave him a podcast like the fucking Investigator Chronicles, the Private Investigator Chronicles, and you just let him be himself,

he could figure out how to be himself. God would be hilarious what if you could do stand up like in your podcast where you're talking you're telling jokes and everyone's connected to your your headset so you could hear people laugh god they would also start yelling shit out and then you shut down as soon as they yell you you have a heckle button boom they're gone yeah but you would have to find them like how would you find them and pick them out? I mean, how many people are on the line at the same time? If you had to have a show like a show in a theater. They'd have to have like a voice recognizer.

Yeah, if you do a show in a theater with 1,000 people, it can actually be kind of intimate. If you say anything other than laughing, you've got to record all your laughs, and only those sounds can come out. Any other sounds, you get cut off. You're like, boom. You've got to do as many, because then you get cut off, and. Any other sounds you get cut off, you're like, boom! You gotta do as many, because then you get

cut off and you find out why you got cut off and then you get that laugh in there. You go, I need that one. You want people to be able to express themselves. If there wasn't hecklers or people who respected you, how cool would that be? It might be like three or four people listening to you. It's totally possible. It's totally possible. Like a conference call, really.

Exactly. Like a giant conference call call but the problem would be like what I was saying like you can have a show with a thousand people in the audience and it's kind of intimate it is kind of intimate you can make it intimate yeah but you're all looking at each other and that's what people that's what people are supposed to describe a webcam show They already got that I'm an idiot You can do webcam You can do webcam

But that's texting Those guys don't get to talk There's no sound That's different I made that up Imagine if the girl Was like listening To all those guys

Jerking off simultaneously She's got 2700 guys And you just hear Instead of like an audience Of cheering and laughing You just hear 2700 groans Oh you fucking bitch.

Oh, yeah. Finger hassle. Just 2,700 dudes. All you could hear is them jacking off simultaneously. I'm going to have to turn you down. You're just a little too wild. That would be so ridiculous. That's coming, though.

That's coming. Watch. We're supposed to look at each other. From your house. From your living room. Joey could just sit little too wild. That would be so ridiculous. That's coming, though. That's coming. Watch. We're supposed to look at each other. Stand up from your house, from your living room. Joey could just sit there and smoke. He's kind of doing that on Periscope without the sound. Yeah. Without the sound.

He gets those little hearts, though. Did you watch the Acid podcast? No, I heard it was ridiculous. They wanted me to do Acid. I wouldn't do it. Why wouldn't you do it? I didn't want to do it, man. I'm not attracted to that kind of experience.

Acid? Nah, that doesn't sound good to me. What does it sound like to you? Sounds like a horrible time. No, I've heard it's great. Duncan swears by it. Maybe you should talk to Duncan about it. I don't think I'm programmed for it.

Have you tried it? When I was a kid, it was like a synthetic mushroom feel. I'd rather have the real mushrooms. I'm down with mushrooms, but not a synthetic form of what's in mushrooms. That's what I think it is. I think LSD and acid is a synthetic form of mushrooms, right? Am I guessing wrong? Well, they're all similar.

They're similar. A lot of the tryptamines, they share like psilocybin is really close to dmt the way it synthesizes in the body it's like super close like i'm gonna butcher this but it's like n n uh dimethyltryptamine and uh i think what is the psilocybin version of it for fox for a loxi and and dimethyltryptamine something like that like it's real close. It's like they're kissing cousins. All those really powerful tryptamines, they're all like neighbors of each other. It's very strange.

And they're all the closest to human neurochemistry. One of the most fucked up things about the really powerful psychedelic drugs is the strongest ones, like mushrooms and like DMT. DMT is the strongest. It's like an actual human neurotransmitter. I mean, it's not even like an addition. It's not even an addition to it. It's actually produced in your own body.

That's the weirdest thing ever about drugs, that the strongest one we know of, your own body makes. The fact that most people don't know that, the fact that most people know that Kanye West is married to Kim Kardashian. Most people don't know that your brain produces the most powerful psychedelic drug that science has ever observed. That's a nutty thing, man. That is a weird, weird aspect of who we are as human beings. What kind of a strange, waking up, infantile civilization we are in the middle of like the greatest era

of technological innovation ever Wi-Fi the ability to download songs instantly on phones like we were talking about the periscope being and fucking just an insane ability to connect with each other at this day and age we still have illegal marijuana illegal psychedelic drugs, illegal drugs. Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said that LSD was what led him to create Apple. He said it was like one of the most important moments of his life was having an LSD trip. There's so many problems in this world, so many different levels coming from all different angles, from all different forms of life. There's so much shit.

Everyone's trying to fight this. They're trying to fight that. They're into this. There's so much. Everyone's trying to fight this. They're trying to fight that. They're into this. They're into that. Everyone's got their own cause. But if we all got together and do what we did with weed and the legislation and all that stuff,

we did that with just one thing. One thing. We just focused all our power. It would fix everything. If we made it a law that every politician has to do ayahuasca if we did that that'll fix all the problems it would fix a lot it would and even if that's too much one law even that's too much work have them have one dmt trip a month while

they're in office yeah just everybody has to have a ceremony you get together and you meet with the elves and they tell you whether or not you're fucking up. One law. That's all. Forget about all this other shit and we're scattering just one thing. Make them do mushrooms or DMT. That's part of being a politician. Just to make sure that the odds are that you'll have compassion for the people and not let your greed take over.

And be interviewed while you're under too. You have to have proof. You have to have a witness and that's What a videotaped put them under then talk to them about life. Yeah, have a shaman break flying all these guys from Peru Like dudes from Chile like they're gonna fake like the Peruvian there's gonna be all this fake Peruvian You know big money big money now that's a big racket I hate to break it to you, but those leopard claws that dude has for earrings, them shit's plastic. That's fake.

Homeboy's fake. What leopard claw? I'm saying. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's conspiracy theory. Yeah. The shipping in Mexicans.

It's just cheaper if we just fucking Mexican, Peruvian. They're the same. Oh, si, senor. Ayahuasca is very strong. But you can't, yeah, you gotta, you know, they gotta kind of look Peruvian. The Ayahuasca in my country is the best. You start bringing Brazilians in, right? Everybody pay attention.

But you know what? Everybody going to get their cup. We're going to put their cup. Oh, just like that. Nice. Nice. Everybody. Nice.

You're going to see guach, my guach. My guach. That's good. Everything I do is for ayahuasca. I fight for ayahuasca. I live for ayahuasca I fight for ayahuasca I live for ayahuasca that would change the world though it sounds like a joke but that would one law you imagine if you get like Dick Cheney and get him fucked up on mushrooms and talk to him about life that would be worth so much money how much like all these like dudes, you want to make some real money, Donald Trump?

This is what you do. You eat five grams of mushrooms on a webcam. If Donald Trump was trying to raise money for his campaign, and that's what he said, that was his big gimmick. He's going to take five grams of mushrooms on a webcam and just talk to Skype with people from all over the world and answer their questions about what he's going to do to fix the world. His hair would light on fire.

Spontaneous combustion. He'd probably shave his head halfway into the conversation. I can't do this anymore. He'd probably be like, He'd be like, I've got cotton candy on my head. I can't fucking hang with this anymore. But I think that if you could do something like that, and make it something that would be culturally acceptable.

Like it sounds ridiculous now. We're going to send the fucking presidential candidates down to the jungle, make them do some drugs. Like it sounds ridiculous. Right. But if there was a culturally it's only ridiculous because you have to leave the country, which doesn't make any sense. If you do DMT. Right. One of the things that you feel is that you're not even there. do DMT, right? One of the things that you feel is that you're not even there. You've entered into some

completely different dimension. Some alternative coexisting universe is what it feels like you step into. It doesn't matter if you do that in Peru or in Japan or on the moon. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like where you're going

has nothing to do with where you are. It really has nothing to do with it It's only because it's illegal that people are forced to go to these indigenous cultures and do it there if it was legal You could have a shamanic retreat center in America and people could go to a shamanic retreat center and it could be treated just as respected as going to you know, whatever a psychiatrist or just as respected as going to you know whatever a psychiatrist or just as respected as going to a fucking a cancer doctor or an oncologist

or anybody just getting your body checked out one of the only countries on the planet where ayahuasca is praised and legal is the same country where they take a month off from work and party straight where's that? Brazil! they take a month off from work and party straight.

Where's that? Where's that? Brazil. They take a month off. Dude, carnival. They just party for a month. Is it totally legal in Brazil? It's totally legal.

The UN tried to impose some shit, and they're like, dude, fuck you. You're not taking away our ayahuasca. Damn, maybe we should move to Brazil. Dude, think about that. Dude, how long do you think it would take us to learn Portuguese? Do you think I could do stand-up if I learned Portuguese? Are you going to do stand-up in Brazil? So, like, have you ever thought about end-of-the-world scenarios?

Have you ever thought about, like, if Yellowstone blows up, where are you going to move? Yes. I'm moving to Brazil. Either Brazil or Australia. Those are the spots. Australia would be way easier. Everybody speaks English. I just got to get used to the wrong side of the road or convince them to drive on the correct

side of the road, which would probably be better. That's how Americans think. If I go to Australia, I'm going to tell them, listen, faggots, stop driving the left. Drive on the right like a fucking normal... We invented the car, okay? 10th Planet Florinopolis. That's going to happen. Why not? But do you think

is it possible that you could see Like the shit hitting the fan And move into another country Have you ever considered that? Yes Where have you considered moving to? Australia's nice

Very nice When you live in Like Melbourne It's like Santa Monica I'm going there tomorrow For the first time Yeah My first time in Melbourne

Sydney's really nice I love Sydney Sydney is awesome That feels like you're in the United States People are cool They are cool as fuck there. They're real friendly. Very westernized.

Very westernized. Like, you could totally fit right in there. Like, if you had to live in Sydney, or this is the only place I've been, but I'd be like, yeah. That's just like living in a nice city in America where people have a cool accent. Totally. That would be it. Yeah.

You know? Did you go with me to Australia ever? Did you ever do one of the UFCs out there? That's right. Remember when we took over that bar and got blasted? Yes. Oh, my God. Dude.

You went nuts. He bought the whole bar drinks. Oh, my God. Dude, we spent thousands of dollars. You went crazy. We just decided. It was me and Tommy Segura and Eddie. We had a whole day off.

So we went to see that Leonardo DiCaprio movie where they trick you, where he pretends it's all a dream. Inception? Yeah, whatever. No, no, no, it was the other one. Shutter Island? Yeah, the island one. Remember, we were both mad. All three of us were mad.

We were like, what the fuck? You can't just do that. Oh, it's just a dream, psych. Yeah. It's just so stupid. Fuck your Yeah. It's just so stupid. Fuck your dream. No dreams are that perfect. It was like one of the only times ever in my life that we just made a decision to get drunk.

Like, let's go get drunk. Like, let's go to a bar. Let's find a bar and get fucked up. And we're like, yeah, let's do it. We just all decided to go get fucked up. Like, there was nothing else to do. I didn't have a show until the next day. So we went to this bar and just went off.

He just bought everybody drinks. Everybody. Just kept buying shots. We bought hundreds of shots. I don't even know how much money I spent. It was insane. We literally were just buying people drinks and high-fiving people and hugging people. It was nuts.

It was nuts. We stayed there for hours we were wrecked yeah that was about as drunk as i've ever gotten as a grown man and then uh went back to the hotel room i think i threw up i don't remember and then the next day we had a show i think that was joe stevenson george satiropoulos was it yeah what was the main event? That I don't know. I do not know. God, there's so many fights now. It's crazy. It's crazy how many fights there are. I can't keep track of shit. It's impossible.

Did you see Vitor just take out Dan Henderson again? Damn. Head kick. Damn. Who would ever thought? Who would ever thought? At one point, there was only one Brazilian that could box, and it was Vitor. But Murillo could box, too.

point there was only one brazilian that could box and it was vitor yeah but murillo could box too and uh i think hemso could box a little bit he had good you know vitor's kicks though they have changed his whole game because vitor's always had hand you know vitor's had like seven hand operations yeah he's broken his hands like seven times so what do you think about him being off TRT? What do you think about that? Well, the reality is, okay. He's not off it. If he really needed it so bad that he said he needed it before and it was a medical issue, his body was low on testosterone,

and he had to take it. And then he took it and was just destroying everybody. He looked like a world beater. Like, goddamn, remember when vitor was you got to think that he was probably fighting with low test for a long time like the matt linlin days and a couple of maybe even sakuraba fight like low what low test low testosterone maybe remember what he got off of it when he was 19 against randall couture but okay that's true but you ever see what he looked like when he fought Rich Franklin? He knocked out Rich Franklin, but go to Rich Franklin

versus Vitor Belfort. He's not as big. No, no, he's smooth, dude. He doesn't look shredded at all. He's still bombing on Rich Franklin. He still has the skills and everything that he has, but I think it might have been one of the reasons why he fades so quickly.

One of the reasons why it's hard for him to sustain a hard pace without the TRT. And I think that a fight like the Dan Henderson fight points to the fact that he's still super dangerous, he's got nasty skills and really fast as fuck, but he didn't do anything. Look at him there. Him against Rich Franklin. Look at his body. I mean, he's, like, real smooth.

I mean, he doesn't look like a pipsqueak. He still looks like an athlete for sure, but it doesn't look like Vitor in the TRT days. Not even fucking close. This is after TRT. No, this is before TRT. See, he fought like this, and then he fought Anderson,

and then all the way, by the way, this is all after he tested positive for steroids the first time he fought in Pride in Vegas after he tested positive for steroids the first time he fought in Pride in Vegas. He tested positive for steroids when he fought, I think it was Dan Henderson. He lost that fight, but he tested positive for something, some metabolite. That was the UFC? No, that was Pride.

They don't test? They did when they were in Vegas. They had the one show in the United States. They tested. And that's the one show where Nick Diaz got popped fighting Gomi, remember? He got popped for weed. And Vitor got popped for steroids. So when the side effect

of using steroids, and this is one of the reasons why a lot of people are against testosterone replacement therapy for fighters, is that when you use steroids, your body stops producing testosterone on its own.

So you can get tested. Steroids have since left your body, but your body's not, the endocrine system hasn't recovered yet. So you go to the doctor and steroids have since left your body, but your body's not, the endocrine system hasn't recovered yet. So you go to the doctor and you go, hey, man, I got some really low testosterone. And the doctor's like, we certainly do. This is proof positive. We have it here on the blood.

They do a blood test. They get the results. They put the results against the commission. And they say, hey, this guy needs tests. And so they give him a testosterone use exemption, a TUE. And that was what all these fighters were getting. But the complaints from the people that were clean or wanted everybody to be clean, allegedly were clean, I should say, was that the only reason why these guys have low tests in their early 30s,

like some of these guys, they had a guy that was 25 that was on testosterone replacement. And he looked like a tank. The only way a guy would need this at that age is if he abused his system, if he took testosterone and fucked up his endocrine system. So that was like the big argument against the testosterone use exemption. So if you look at him right there, now pull up Vitor Belfort versus Luke Rockhold, and this is a totally different animal. I mean, this is like two years later, right?

And he doesn't look remotely like the same guy. I mean, he looks like a goddamn, this was at the weigh-ins by the way, the weigh-ins go up where he's throwing that wheel kick right there. Bam. Look at the fucking difference in his build, dude. I mean, what the fuck? This is the same weight class, okay? But he looks like he's, fuck, at least 10 pounds of muscle bigger. Yeah. Completely shredded. Look at that.

10 pounds of muscle more. What fight was that? Luke Rockhold? Yep. That's after he smashed Luke Rockhold. And so he was on TRT here. Yes. He was jacked.

Well, I think Vitor on TRT. Fucking looks fantastic. I think Vitor on TRT is one of the scariest fighters the MMA world has ever seen. It's crazy that he's still fighting at that level. And at the highest level. He's the only guy left. Nope. Yeah.

Him and Josh Barnett. I would have loved to have seen Vitor like this. TRT Vitor versus Weidman. TRT Vitor versus Anderson Silva. I would have loved to see it. I understand that it's not fair, and I wouldn't expect Weidman to take that fight if he knew that Vitor was, TRT Vitor versus Anderson Silva. I would have loved to see it. I understand that it's not fair, and I wouldn't expect Weidman to take that fight if he knew that Vitor was on TRT.

I wouldn't expect it, but goddamn, I would have loved to have seen it. And no way Luke Rockhold is on TRT. No way, right? Well, you can never say no way, because guys have tested positive that looked absolutely like shit. You never know, because they look like shit,

and the testosterone makes them look a little bit better, or shit and the testosterone makes them look a little bit better or whatever they're taking makes them look a little bit better. Whose arm is bigger? Look at his arm and then look at Vitor's arm. Well, Rook Rockhold,

first of all, is taller. So if he's going to weigh the same amount, he's going to have less muscle. There's just no way around it. It'll be longer and he gets a lot of leverage. Damn, look at Vitor's arm right there.

Holy shit. Oh my God, he looks like Mark Kerr. But Luke Rockhold is a fucking savage. I mean, that dude's a stud. He's one of the toughest guys in the sport and real smart, real technical. But TRT Vitor ran him over. TRT Vitor wheel kicked him in the fucking head and beat him down.

And he beat down Dan Henderson like that. He knocked out Michael Bisping with a head kick and fucked his eye up permanently. Michael Bisping's eye is permanently disfigured because of Vitor kicking him in the head. This is, like, he's one of the scariest guys in the history of the sport when he was on TRT. It was like a four-fight run where he was just fucking smashing people. And the Dan Anderson fight was one of the most devastating because it wasn't just the kick. He had uncorked a fucking left uppercut before that kick, hurt him real bad, and then head kicked him and knocked him out. He was fucking terrifying

when he was on TRT. So he's more tentative now. He didn't do a single thing for the first two minutes in this fight. He literally didn't throw a punch or a kick. He just circled for two minutes, and then, you know, Dan threw a couple inside leg kicks. There was a couple like little whiffs, you know, nothing really connected. And then Vitor just uncorks that head kick. So the question is, when you look at Vitor now, he definitely looks better in this fight than he did in the Weidman fight. He looked more built, but he still didn't look like he looked when he was on TRT. So even if he, look at that shot down where he's punching Dan Henderson in the head. Look at that. Jesus fucking Christ. Look at the build on him, dude. He looks like a lion. Look at his neck. Like look at the fucking traps on this guy when he's throwing this punch

and he's connecting perfectly on Dan Henderson's jaw on that shot. That is a classic picture. He was a monster, dude. But the question is, what is he doing now? If he needed testosterone replacement before, how has his body recovered like this? Has he figured out some nutritional way to get around it? Or is he figuring out some

undetectable way to use? No one knows. We're not going to know unless he gets caught. Based on what his body looked like in his last fight against Dan Henderson, do you think his body looks like he's not on it? He definitely doesn't look like... Tim Kennedy said it was best. He said, it doesn't look like Vitor's using as many steroids. Tim Kennedy's hilarious. He said he wanted to fight the slow... I'm interested in a fight, he said, with a slower, fatter Vitor. Yeah. Meanwhile, it looks like he does steroids too. You know Tim Kennedy's hilarious He said he wanted to fight the slow I'm interested in a fight He said with a slower, fatter Vitor

Yeah, meanwhile It looks like he does steroids too You know Tim Kennedy? He's a tank Yeah, I know I'm not saying he does But fuck, he's yoked He's yoked

Damn He's 5'10 He walks around at 220 pounds Solid I'm not saying he does steroids And I'm saying if it got out I wouldn't be like Oh my god

I know, right Well, you know Who the fuck knows Who knows who's doing it And who's not doing know, right? Well, you know, who the fuck knows? Who knows who's doing it and who's not doing it? I'm a fan of his, though, by the way. Tim Kennedy? That was a compliment. You know what I mean?

That was a compliment. I think, you know, I just did it. Did that, you know. Why don't I say it? You got to fix that, bro. I think like... Can you control what we see? Or is he controlling it controlling We can do it

If we set it up I can connect to Apple TV I think that's the future For you man If you can just Cause you're really good At looking through shit Yeah but it's distracting

It's better to have Jamie do it Because I like to Engage with the person I'm talking to I don't want to look down And type shit in I do that occasionally But I think it's best

We figure out a rhythm Oh Yeah I get it I get it Figure out how to do this shit But but I think it's best we figure out a rhythm. Oh, yeah. I get it. I get it. Figure out how to do this shit. So Ronda's fighting in Australia in front of 70,000 people this weekend.

That's for sure? 70? Yeah. Well, they had sold, as of a couple weeks ago, they were already 50,000 tickets sold. Remember those people who thought women's MMA would never make it? How about Dana? There were so many people. Dana didn't think so.

It has to be someone like her, though. What's interesting is, like, Joanna, the strawweight champion, she's, like, scarier than Ronda. When she beats people up, she smashes their face in. Yeah, you know, for me, and I think a big part of the reason there are those people that thought women's MMA would never make it, and they're still holding on to that. They think that Ronda's just a freak, and after her, it's over.

There's still some people. But the reason was, everyone kind of thought that at first, too, because in the beginning, back in like 99, 2000, the girls that were doing MMA had no skill. They had nothing. So it looked like, man, girls really can't fight. I even doubted it. But that one time in Vegas where we went,

and I forget what show it was. It was tough enough. It was tough enough, and there were some girls going. I'm like, holy shit. We had so much fun. Right there, that's when I became pro female MMA. That's when I thought, wow, people like watching girls pull their hair and scratch each other.

We like watching that. We'll watch that in a second. We watched it on Worldstar. pull their hair and scratch each other. We like watching that. We'll watch that in a second. Big, you know, we watch it on WorldStarHipHop all the time. We went there to see Nick the Goat Thompson fight. Remember? He was the main event.

That's right. Yeah. Nick Thompson, that's right. Interesting, too. I forget who that girl was. Super smart guy. He was like a law student. The chick had legit jiu-jitsu.

That's the first time I saw legit jiu-jitsu in a women's MMA fight. I don't know. It was like 2000, 98, 99. And then what Jeff Osborne did, you know, he's the original Invicta. Yeah, hook and shoot. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, Osborne put on Eve Edwards versus Aaron Riley in like 96 fucking six or some shit right when was that fight i don't remember the year but it was like 99 maybe the same era of uh mecca and uh remember the valley tudor what was it ivc remember those days fuck yeah the pedro remember the pedro that's that's like uh you know talking about those days it's like in metal, that's the equivalent to the German thrash scene. It's just like that. Remember that Mecca in IBC? Most people don't know what that is.

Do you remember that dude, the Pedro? Yeah. Remember when Gary Goodrich reached down in his pants and grabbed his dick? Yeah. Gary Goodrich reached down and crushed this guy's balls in his hands. With his feet. With his feet. In his hands too, though, right?

He did it with his feet. Only with his feet? I his hands too, though, right? He did it with his feet. Only with his feet? I tell you what, Eddie Bravo. I turned his nuts into peanut butter. That's so fucked up. That's what he said, word for word. Guys can get their nuts smashed and killed. See if you can find that.

The Pedro versus Gary Goodridge nut shot. Yeah. The Pedro versus Gary Goodridge nut smash. Yeah, testicle crunch. He loved it. You were allowed to do that back in the day. You were allowed to grab the ropes. Remember Keith Hackney versus Joe Son?

Had Joe Son at side control. Joe Son held onto the headlock. It was before the Von Fluh choke was invented. He was punching his balls. And he's just wailing on his balls. Wailing on his balls. That's the new era, eventually. It's going to be MMA where balls are legal.

God damn. When the balls are in play, the game changes. We had that sketch we were trying to do for the man show. Extreme sack fighting. That's the next level. Bobby Lee was going to be the champ because he had the littlest balls. Dude, you make ball shots legal in MMA. It changes everything.

You don't keep your hands up. You keep your hands low. Okay, what's going on here? What do you see? I found a knee to the... No, he grabbed his balls. I didn't see that. Extreme sack fight.

He might have not remembered it right, honestly. I kind of remember him doing it with his hands. No, he does it with his feet. It's with his feet. This is Gary Gidrich in pride. That with his feet. It's with his feet. This is Gary Gidrich in Pride. That's in Pride. It's definitely not it. It's not in that either. That's Pedro Hizzo.

It's actually The Pedro. That's what I typed in up here. You typed in The Pedro. Yeah, you know, it might be one of those ones where nobody has it. Yeah, here we go. Gary Gidrich. Go down to The Pedro. The fourth one down. Click on that. Let's see if this is it. This is the Pedro.

This is it. But this is him, but that's not Gary Goodrich he's fighting. That's somebody else. Oh, there's a highlight reel of the Pedro. And you know what? He's not going to show that. He might. He might just say, look at this.

Man, I want to know about that guy. I want to know about the Pedro. That guy was a, he was like. He's a pioneer. Yeah, man. want to know about the Pedro that guy was a he was like like pioneer yeah man look at how these old school nets these two but nets around the ring people don't know about the ring well they used to fight in rings like people don't know that Chuck Liddell fought uh fucking Pele Pele Jose Landy Jose Pele Landy Johns who was at the time the baddest motherfucker from shoot box. Pele was a beast, man.

When he was young, he was devastating. He was like the leader of the shoot box crew. And he was one of the best. And Chuck Liddell fought him no rules with fucking bare knuckles. That's a wild ass fight. All you UFC fanatics that are under 30, I mean, you've got to know your history. You've got to go back and study. To us, it's like studying the 30s and the 40s.

You know what I mean? We've got to go back, look at the 60s. You've got to look at that old school stuff, son. Yeah, that's the real shit. You've got to understand how the masters did it. IVC. What was the other one called? Remember when Marco lost?

Federico La Penda. He was the first Dana White. Yeah, that's right. What was his organization called? It was eitherenda. He was the first Dana White. That's right. What was his organization called? It was either IBC or Mecca. And they still have jungle fights. There was two dudes. It was Federico Lapenda and then there was another guy.

That was late 90s MMA. Bare knuckle. How about when Marco Hulas fought Oleg Taktarov in a hotel in Brazil. They had a chandelier above the ring. They fought in a ring. I don't remember that one.

Bare Knuckle. Yeah, I had it on VHS. It's the most ridiculous scenario. They're in a conference room. Is it real? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They fought Bare Knuckle. It was like a slow, methodical.

Find that. Marco Huas, R-U-A-S, versus Oleg Taktarov. They fought in Brazil. It's in a ring. And they have this ridiculous chandelier above the ring. You're looking at this chandelier. What the fuck is this? Where are you?

Second name, Marco Huas. Oleg Taktarov. He was one of the original fighters in the UFC. The first ever that I had ever heard of Sambo before. I'd never even heard of it before. This guy was throwing up these leg locks. It's hilarious when you look at it like we thought Oleg Taktarov was a leg lock master. You compare him to someone like Eddie Cummings, and you look at how the leg lock game has changed in 20 years.

This has radically changed. People have figured out all these crazy new ways to control and enter. And we used to think that Oleg Taktarov was the shit. Yeah, yeah. He was a tough prick. Remember when Henzo up-kicked him and knocked him out? Yeah. He just went backstarts.

That was World Combat Championships, right? The WCC or something like that. That was the same one where Tom Erickson fought Marillo Bustamante for like 90 minutes. Oh, shit. Remember that? That's right. Yeah. And Tom Erickson was like 300 pounds.amante for like 90 minutes. Oh, shit. Remember that? That's right. Yeah. Tom Erickson was like 300 pounds.

He was a beast, dude. 280. 280. He was giant. Tom Erickson was the first male, not male, but heavyweight unbeatable fourth. Someone took his back, though. Tom Erickson came along. He came along.

Heath Herring did. Heath Herring took his back. In Pride. That's right. He got tired. Tom got tired. Yeah,ring did. Heath Herring took his back. In Pride. He got tired. Tom got tired. Yeah, this is it. Like, look where they are. They're in a fucking, there is like some angles you get to see.

Like, I guess actually with that thing above their head, there's this crazy like. Dude, I forgot all about this fight. Look at this fight. This is crazy. Oh, he takes off. Just landed some good shots. Bare knuckle. And how long does this one go for? Oh, it was a long ass fight. This at this fight. This is crazy. Oli Tektarov just landed some good shots. Bare knuckle. And how long does this one go for?

Oh, it was a long-ass fight. This looks like 30 minutes, it says. But they fought in like a conference hall, man. This is after they had both left the UFC. It looks like a place where you have two day-night fights. Yeah, see? Look at that. Look at the ceiling.

Look at that fucking chandelier. What is that? That's nuts. It's bizarre. Oh! I would have thrown down. Oh down oh look just tagged him i mean like we thought like marco huas at the time was like a world-class striker you know it's interesting back then he was he was really good for mma he was really good at a bunch of different things but if you compared him back then to a guy like and Hoog, who was fighting at K-1 at the same time, who was a real world-class striker, or a guy like Jerome Labanner, or Peter Ertz.

It's a big fucking difference. Marco Huas, first guy to use leg kicks successfully in the UFC. Paul Varlins, chopped down the fucking- Another classic fight. Another one. You youngsters, watch Paul Varlins and Marco Huas, man. Paul Varlins was the first pigeon-toed, giant American male to fight in the UFC, too. Giant.

There's been a couple of those. Remember his style? I don't remember what he had. Trap fighting. Is that what they called it? Oh, my God. He's a master of trap fighting. A lot of those guys had some crazy.

Eve Edwards takes the cake, though. Thug Jitsu. Yeah. Thug Jitsu master. I'm crazy. Eve Edwards takes the cake, though. Thug Jitsu. Yeah.

Thug Jitsu master. That's still his Twitter handle, which is funny now because he's an analyst for Fox. And his Twitter handle is Thug Jitsu. He might have to change his shit. He's a really good analyst, man. He was on UFC Inside or whatever the fuck it is. Really? Whatever they call it. Yeah, he was on After the Fights, analyzing the fights, breaking down the fights this

past weekend, the VTOR. I didn't know he was still on the roster. Yeah. Well, he's doing analyst work now. So he's not fighting? No, he's retired. He's retired from fighting. But his analysis was really fucking good, man.

Wow. He, the Anthony Berchak, Thomas Almeida fight. He was excellent in that. Excellent. Yeah, he's very good. What, did he commentate it? No. After the fight, he broke down what happened. He broke down. And they'll talk about

what guys have to do in order to win the fight and what their best strategies are. He's very smooth, man. Very good. Eve's fought, like we said, back in the hook and shoot days when he fought Aaron Riley which was like the 90s. He's been around for so long. I mean, he's got so much information in his head.

And even though he lost some of his fights towards the end, he hasn't like suffered to the point where he's hard to hear communicate. You know, he's very smooth, very good communicator. So he's smart about when he got out. He was like, you know what, I'll just step back now. And so he's like still got all his faculties he's excellent as a as an analyst those are the best analysts like dominic cruz he's one of my favorites too yeah super smooth and you know and also dominic is just really hard to hit man

he's he's not a guy that gets hit a lot he's like a big part of what he does is like avoid damage he's very smart like that like you very rarely see that guy in a crazy slugfest. So because of that, I bet he'll have a long career in being an analyst after he's done fighting too. It's amazing that there's so many football analysts after all the head trauma they go through. I think they just pump those dudes filled with Adderall and steroids. Wind up their ass and just push them out there. Get it. Who knows?

Is there something that you can take out there that's on the black market that just makes your brain healthier? Mushrooms. There you go. Yeah, for real. For real. Mushrooms is supposedly, psilocybin is one of the few things that's supposed to be able to regenerate neurons. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. Oh, I thought you were joking.

No, I read that. Amber Lyons? I read stuff like that, and then I close my laptop, because I don't even want to know the details. I'm just going to start repeating this. You know? I don't know if it's true. When was the last time you talked to Amber Lyons? I emailed her

really recently. She's gone on some wild trip all around the world. Is she still psilocybin? Oh, she's doing everything, man. What do you got? She's doing it. She's trying out shit in all these indigenous cultures, traveling all over the world, writing about it. Dude, the first time she was on your podcast, she was all business. It was all that reporting CNN shit. It had nothing to do.

And during that podcast, you started talking about mushrooms, and you were going off, and you broke it all down. And she's sitting there, and she was in a real bad spot in her life. Her life was falling apart at that point, and she just decided, fuck it. I'm going to Peru or wherever she went in South America. By herself. By herself. One sock. She didn't take shit.

She just went. She comes back, and she's like a crusader for psilocybin. Crazy shit, son. It's insane, man. Sometimes you find the right people. We got one minute? Jesus Christ, Eddie Bravo., son. It's insane, man. Sometimes you find the right people. We got one minute? Jesus Christ, Eddie Bravo. One minute.

It's over. Jesus Christ. Well, let's do another one before EBI, the next EBI, which is December 15th. Is that right? Sunday, December 13th. 13th. December 13th. In downtown LA, you could order it on pay-per-view at budovideos.com slash EBI.

And so that will be the weekend after the UFC. Yeah, right after Conor McGregor. Oh, perfect. That's the next day. Perfect. Downtown, bitches. Show starts at 5 o'clock. You can get your tickets at Ticketmaster.

It's a 16-man submission-only tournament. It's the deepest, darkest bracket ever. Danny Procopo's returning champion. Nathan Orchard. Hany Yaya. Gold medalist at Abu Dhab champion. Nathan Orchard. Hany Yaya. Gold medalist at Abu Dhabi. Rafael Domingos. Kim Terrell.

Javi Vasquez. Ruben Alvarez. Leg lock master from the Southeast. This is seriously, every show gets harder and harder to win. Winner take all. $20,000 possible. The winner has to win four matches. He gets paid $5,000 for each match he wins

in regulation. What's the website? Real quick, because we're out of time. EddieBravoInvitational.com That's it. Eddie Bravo on Twitter. We'll see you fuckers. I'll see you when I get back from Australia. Holla! Thank you, sir.