The Joe Rogan Experience - #734 - Brendan Schaub

Episode Date: December 10, 2015

Brendan Schaub is a mixed martial artist and also a former college & pro football player. He also hosts a podcast with Bryan Callen called "The Fighter & The Kid" available on Spotify.

E-ha! And we're live! Dum-dum-dum! Brendan Chobb, I gotta talk to you about marijuana and exercise. Oh, wow. Together as a group. Really? I am a huge fan. Today, I did something I haven't done in a long time.

I haven't been getting high and working out. I got high and did yoga, like, a couple weeks ago, and I fucking loved it. It was a 90-minute class, and it went... I thought I was abducted by aliens. And I lost time. Hot aliens? Hot aliens and i lost time aliens not aliens and spandex the place i go to is not that well they're very nice people i'll just say that

but when i was um when i was in the cloud usually the class like 90 minutes it's rough especially like those last 20 you gotta grind you gotta stay focused mentally tough yeah mentally challenging sounds like bullshit like you, oh, come on. These housewives are tough. Yeah. I've been through some shit. I've been through some shit with football and fighting in a 90-minute class. What?

And I didn't know it was 90 minutes. I thought it was 60. I was like, damn, I'm about to freak out. I didn't have water. You didn't have water? I didn't have water. Oh, no. I'm super gangster.

I was like, yeah, 60 minutes. I'm cool with water. Then it gets to that hour mark, and I look over to the girl next to me. I'm like, are we supposed to wrap soon? She goes, oh, no, honey. It's 90 minutes. You should have seen. I wish they had my face on camera.

I was like, God. How did you do it with no water? I'm about to break. I'm about to break. You need to try that Wim Hof method. That dude, didn't he do like a marathon in the middle of the desert in Africa or something like that no water yeah he's an animal me making it through yoga

no water just saying it's him I'm telling you man I'm telling you bro I was about to break I was like damn these house moms look at this bitch there was something about doing it high where it was easier and I don't necessarily know if that's good see I think that like sometimes like those mental struggles that's good for the, I think that sometimes those mental struggles, that's good for the mind.

I agree. It steals up the mind. And the weed made it almost easy. Easier. Way easier. To the point where I was like, that was an hour and a half? I never do that when I'm sober. Ever.

Ever. You're kind of freaking out towards the end? Not freaking out, but you're just like, damn, man. Just grinding. Yeah, grinding. Yes. What I try to do towards the end of a yoga class, we sound like the biggest pussies that have ever walked the face of the earth. You know when yoga gets hard?

Okay, whatever, bro. I love that shit. Fucking yoga gets hard, bro. The fucking tough gets going. You keep going, bro. I toughen up, bro. I got mental toughness. I'm doing chaturanga and shit.

For real, so I don't give a fuck. 90-minute yoga will fuck you up it will fuck you up but what i um i do is i just try to concentrate on my breathing that's it just concentrating my breathing and don't i don't let anything in i don't let any complaints in i don't let any i'm tired in i just won't i know it's there but i just just bear down and really focus on breathing and bear down and focus on whatever I'm trying to do physically, whatever the posture is. Dude, for me, it was, uh, my, my, I'm working so much and all I care about is work. And so I think about all the time, but when I go to yoga, it's so hard. Yeah.

It takes my mind off what's going on. So it's like a reset button, but it is a motherfucker. I feel the exact same way. It does something. There's something about holding poses and the difficulty and the focus that it requires to do it right. It sort of erases your mind. It cleans your mind out.

It's almost like a car wash for your brain. Yeah, it's almost like a little reset. Then it helps later in the day. Oh, yeah. It helps you. You're so much less, I don't want to say reactive, but you're more relaxed when it comes to outcomes of things. You're more relaxed when it comes to interactions with people. I swear to God, I think it makes you a nicer person i really do it opens you up i'm more open-minded i think it um you know i've been going for about three weeks now

in santa monica when i first got there i'm literally no one talked to me they're like look at this fucking meathead in here no one talked to me i was in the back i'd come out they'd have have their little groups and I'd just be on my own. Prejudice. I know, man. Bullshit. Racism's real. Prejudice. Real. It's not racism. Race of men. Race of men. Race of real men. That's what it is.

They're racist against real men. They're my friends. I want them over now, though. They're cool. You want them over now? What's up, Tina? You know, all that shit. That kind of shit, yeah. Eventually you're going to get tea together. It's tough, man. You want them over now? Yeah. What's up, Tina? You know, all that shit. Yeah, that kind of shit. Eventually, you're going to get tea together. It's tough, man. Yeah, you never know. There's a place that I passed by in Santa Monica that has some yoga class, but it's

like a factory that produces hot chicks with towels under their arm. Like, what? You want me to talk about mental toughness? Try not popping a boner in my yoga class. Straight up. I get in there. I'm like, God damn. The teacher goes, eyes forward, gaze forward, sir. Oh my God, she tells you that?

Oh, to everyone. Gaze forward. Wow, they catch people staring at asses. I'm sure. I'm sure. That's distracting as fuck. Imagine if you're doing your pose and some dude is staring at your crack. I bet.

That's annoying. If I was a chick, I'd be pissed. It is dark in there, though. Unless that's what I'm into. Some girls are into that. I agree. That's annoying. If I was a chick, I'd be pissed. It is dark in there, though. Unless that's what I'm into. Some girls are into that. I agree. They go and pretend they don't like it. God, I hate it when people look at me.

You know what's weird? It gives, yeah, goddammit, how dare you? I hate it. Your ass cheeks are hanging out the back doing downward dog. But some of the dudes in there, you know, God bless them. They're not in great shape, and they just say, fuck it. They're in basically a Tsunga, gut out, God bless them. They're not in great shape. And they just say, fuck it. They're in basically a sunga, gut out, that's it. Yeah.

Yeah, there's this guy that goes to my class, and I admire him. He's this old, fat, white guy. And he has, it looks like, probably never done a sport in his life. He might not have even ever used the stairs. He might have just used elevators his whole life. I mean, he looks like he's never even thought about exercise. Like, nobody informed him what it was. He just got behind a desk and started eating.

That's kind of awesome. Then he hit, like, 60. And I don't know what motivated him. I've never had a conversation with him. But this dude is in there grinding. Grinding. Shirt off. Shirt off.

Bandana. He wears a white bandana like the Karate Kid. Yes. Fucked up. Folded. Gray, balding. bandana like the karate kid. Fucked up, gray, balding, you know, the whole deal. It's like the hair is chaos and giant gut and gray hair all over his stomach and his tits.

He's in there grinding. That fucking guy's in there grinding. I appreciate the hustle, man. He can't do it. He stumbles, gets right back up, tries it again, gets to the position, holds it, stumbles, gets right back up, tries it again, gets to the position, holds it, stumbles, gets right back up, tries it again. Dude, I'm way too vain to do any of that. I hold the position like a motherfucker.

Like if I fall, everyone's going to be like, look at this asshole. I stick with it. Well, there's levels for sure of like commitment to a position, right? For sure. And that's the difference you see in people. Like there's this one girl in the class that I go to. She's Indian. And I think she's Indian.

She looks like she's Indian. Talking feather Indian or dot Indian? I'm talking people from the country India, not Native Americans. That'd be dot Indian. Because I am politically correct. Me too, man. That's dot Indian. I don't think they like to be defined that way.

I think they like dollar Mende Indian. Okay. You know who dollar Mende is? No. No? You don't? they like to be defined that way. I think they like Dollar Mende, Indian. Okay. You know who Dollar Mende is? No. No? You don't? Oh, my God. Pull up the song Tunic Tunic Tune. This guy, there's a dude named Dollar Mende, okay?

And he's like this Indian pop star guy. And he's got at least one song. I tried to listen to his other songs. Dog shit. I couldn't get into it. I bet. But he's got one song that's one of my all-time favorite songs i don't know what the fuck is it big over here it's just gotta pull up the video pull up the video and show it to brendan on this screen right here the one over here so we don't get kicked off of youtube i hope he's awesome oh my god is he awesome dude you can't you're not even believe this is a real dude really you're gonna like this song i i used to play this song when i worked at fear factor hold it start from the beginning

yes no the music and um right there and then give me some volume here we go look at the the shitty graphics terrible asteroids are coming Asteroids are coming in. Look at this. It's like fucking Atari Look at this dude You took the audio off Do you think they're real close for this? Yeah. You think? Yeah Look at this guy. Oh shit You think? Yeah.

Look at this guy. Oh, shit. Tell me. It's just two of him. Him and him in the video. He's like, you know what we need? We need more of me. I mean, he's dressed in traditional Indian, what looks like a magician's garb. Oh, this is full fucking Aladdin up in this bitch.

Come on, how awesome is this? It's awesome. You know what I like about it? I have no idea what he's saying. So it's like music that you make with your mouth. Is his other song just dog shit? I just couldn't get into him. Maybe someone needs to turn me into the right one.

I'm sure he has some other hits. It's like Gangnam Style. You know Gangnam Styles? Yeah, that one. He came out with another one, though. Is it a hit? It's a pretty big hit. Really?

What's it called? My Daddy or something? I got it from my daddy. Oh, okay. Well, people, all you fucking haters out there. One hit wonder my ass. You know, Howard Stern was saying that once. I was listening to him.

He was talking about that guy saying, what's he going to do do now it's like it's over for him i'm like how well this is the other thing like maybe maybe it's over but why if the guy can do it once why can't like what is it that makes a fucking one hit wonder what is it like why does someone become a one hit wonder like what if you could put together like a banging song like there's a series of one hit wonders like if you go to websites like the best ever one hit wonders but if you could put together like one of those unbelievable banging songs why can't you put together another one like i don't get it do you think fame fucks them up like the struggle uh-huh same with a lot of things definitely yeah that's that's but that's one ingredient in a giant poisonous stew.

A huge ingredient, though. Yeah, it's a big one. Huge one. It's also who wrote that song, like what kind of collaboration. I agree. You know, did the person who wrote that song, did they write the rest of the songs? True. But a lot of times, too, like when a band gets big and they have like maybe one hit

or one album, and then, then you know fame comes the tour comes they're busy uh some guy feels like he needs more notoriety drugs kick into play drugs is a big one drugs is a big one yeah especially the downers heroin and stuff and booze guys who just booze every night just slowly pulls away it's also it's just it gets to a point where i think they're they're overwhelmed you know if you were a rock star and you're on stage and you're singing songs there's 25 000 people out there and they're all screaming you would be over it's over probably overwhelming could there be a better job though what it's tough you really don't have to train that much you know i'm saying what well no no don't get don't get me wrong don't have to train that much. You know what I'm saying? What?

How dare you? Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. You gotta practice. But we're talking about practice. You know what I'm saying? We're talking about practice. They practice, man.

You ever seen, you ever go to band practice and watch those guys go over songs? Sure haven't. It's way harder than being a comedian. No, I get that. I'm compared to being an athlete. Like look at, if Jay-Z wanted to have tits down his ankles and eat hamburgers all day, he could do it and still make great music. Like, the discipline's different.

Maybe, but you can't. Here's the thing about being a fat fuck. You can get famous being a fat fuck and people will love you as a fat fuck, like Biggie, but you can't start out like Snoop Dogg and then look like Biggie. And then blow up. You can't do that. Then you're a loser Okay, you know I'm saying I see what you're saying. We can't have evidence that you used to be healthy and then you're unhealthy I can't celebrate that

That's what it is. There's rules. There's rules of perception. You know the guy who doesn't give a fuck has never given a fuck That's why he's always been fat big. He's always been fat. You he was 17 he's rapping on the corner yeah he's fat yeah he's a thick yeah he's never watched what he ate not a day not a moment in his life true did he go i shouldn't we shouldn't eat that that's his thing yeah that's him that's him but if you look like tupac all six packed out and then you became like biggie nah but what what other job and i think this is why i'm obsessed with musicians it's a it's something it's musicians, it's something I don't understand. It's the unknown to me, right? Like any athletic endeavor, whatever, I get it, hard work, talent.

But musicians, to me, it's so in this kind of outer space world because I've never been musically gifted ever. You know what I'm saying? I don't get any of it. So when I watch them, what other job can you, like, you see like Amy Winehouse, and these are terrible examples, but Kurt Cobain just fucked up getting on stage and just kill it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Well, they've been doing it so long, though. It's like a part of their memory.

You know, they just know how to do it. They just know how to do those songs. And they get in there and they get in the groove and the music hits them and they just go with it. And I think that heroin. Heroin. I think that stuff has some magical properties when it comes to music. I don't recommend doing it, and I don't think that's the only way to make great music.

I think there's probably some safer alternatives that also get you to a great place. But there's so many people that did heroin that made insane music. A ton, man. So many. A ton. So many. And what Amy Winehouse, apparently it was booze was the one that killed her. place but there's so many people that did heroin that made insane music man so many tons so many and what amy winehouse apparently was booze was the one that killed her booze was big did you see her documentary amy man that shit that shit is amazing i heard it's amazing it's a real bummer man super bummer because she finally kind of gets sober i mean this isn't a fucking spoiler alert she everyone knows she's dead but she

finally gets uh sober and she's kind of doing right the right things and then her manager and dad were like yo you need to go back on tour and she's like i'm telling you this is a bad idea man because when i'm tours when i want to use because i hate being away they put on tour and that's what did it so they did they say she needed to go on tour because she needed money is that what it was no she just had prior commitments they're like you owe it to him and that's when she goes on i think it's germany where she's just so fucked up falls off stage and she like forgets the words and they start booing her you know self-sabotage yeah it was horrible man it's so tough to watch well you know it's interesting we had steve-o on the podcast and steve-o went through a pretty lengthy detoxification sort of

thing you know he he got he got sober and then he went through this like lengthy rehab and like at a live-in place and you know he went into great detail about it and about how long it took him till he was like legitimately sober like confident had a good foundation he was like legitimately sober and now he tours and does all these kinds of things which is crazy still does that sober yeah like to inflict that pain when he's dead sober now to me. He's crazy He's out of his mind. He's definitely out of his mind But he when he's doing all this, you know, he's he's like confident that he's not gonna start using again I think when you're like someone like Amy and you just clear of it and then the pressure of doing those performances

It's the temptation right like you just can't be around it like like uh steve-o doesn't even drink right he won't do anything he does anything he does nothing nothing yeah i think that's how it has to be i don't know for him i think everybody's got their own thing like i know dudes who have had problems with booze and uh then they quit the booze and then they'll start smoking weed one day and then like oh i can handle this like i have friends like that and i know uh like anthony bourdain has famously had a problem with heroin but he drinks he drinks loves weed and he's fine he's fine he's not even remotely an alcoholic he doesn't drink when he's at home like you could say he enjoys alcohol he's an he's an alcohol enthusiast big difference though but though. Yeah, he doesn't have a physical addiction.

Yeah, big difference. Yeah, he talks about how when he's home, he doesn't drink. He just doesn't drink, you know, and he doesn't need it. That's crazy discipline. I don't think it's discipline. Really? I think there's a, well, most certainly is discipline that he chooses not to, but it's also an ethic, but it's also I think we're talking about like a physical need,

like a physical addiction, like a physical addiction. And he doesn't have that. Some people do, though. Some people do. They get a little bit of alcohol in them and then they're fucked and they can't stop. They can't stop. They can't function. I've met them.

I know it's true. I know people, I've met people like that, rather. I know it's true. I know they do it. I've seen it. Do you have an addictive personality? No, booze. No.

No, not at all. What about marijuana? No, neither one. No, I can. You could stop an addictive personality? Not with booze. No. No, not at all with booze. What about marijuana? No, neither one. No, I can- Like you could stop right now. Well, I enjoy them. I enjoy them. Big difference, though.

But like if I go on vacation, I don't take weed with me. Yeah. If I go away, I'm with my family most of the time. I don't take shit with me. Sometimes I'll take like a breath strip for the flight. Or if I get a crazy idea and I have to write something down and everybody's asleep, I'll pop a breath strip in. Yeah, nothing wrong with journey.

Go on a little journey. Get creative, man. But I just say you're addicted to work, though. There's different kind of addictions. You know what I'm saying? No, definitely not. Really? No, I enjoy it.

I feel like you're the harsh working guy I know. But I enjoy it. I get that. But it's not addictive. Like, I could quit. I could quit all of it except comedy, I think. I mean, I could do that, too. I could quit that, but that would bum me out.

Comedy is the most fun. But everything else, even the most fun aspects of it, I could walk away from. Like, what's the most fun aspect about the UFC? It's actually watching the fights. 100%. It's not working. Yeah. That's not the most fun aspect of it.

It's being literally the best seat in the house watching the best fighters in the world. That is the best part of it. But the talking part actually makes it less enjoyable. The working part makes the fights less enjoyable. I bet, man. Like, I enjoy the fights more when we're doing these fight companions than any other time. Me too. We're all hanging.

And we're broadcasting, too. There's like this extra element because it's going out there, too. And we know people are laughing with us. For sure, man. Yeah. But whenever I go to the fights, when I'm physically there, I don't have as good of a time. I think for me, because, you know, I've been in there, I get these nerves and this stress. And so for me, I don't enjoy it.

So like this weekend, I can't tell you how many times when I was at Fox, I'll see you at the fights. I won't be there, man. I'd rather stay here and watch it. Well, there's another thing about watching at home. You get the perfect angles. You're seeing it from inside the cage, whereas from outside the cage, you're looking through the fence.

And that's people, you don't consider that until you go there and you go, oh, you got to look through the fence to see the fights. Like I've seen some of the greatest fights of all time up close, but through a fence, whereas a lot of people that are watching it at home, there's a thing you have to do when you're looking through a fence.

You're not focusing on the thing that's closest to you. You're focusing on the thing that's past you. So you always have this peripheral distraction. That fence is always going to be there. Well, being cage side isn't the best seat. It's the most expensive seat in the house. But really, you almost want to be in that first middle tier. So you have this view.

So you're over the cage. Does that make sense? Yes, 100%. And that's especially for boxing. 100%. For boxing. Boxing has a way better viewing position than the UFC. Because the rings are low.

And you can see every punch that lands to the face. Like super clear. There's never an obstruction. Whereas like even me being right there at the desk, if someone's behind a post, like you'll see me sometimes. I have to get on top of the table. I get up on the table and I'm like looking here to make sure, like if I need to know, if a camera's not showing me where a hand position is. If someone's going for a guillotine, I don't know if they have their hands clasped or something. I have to physically get up and move sometimes.

And I'm fucking right there. When you're at home, you're watching that shit clean. And sometimes I feel like when you're at home and you're getting those best angles, it makes the fight, even if it was a phenomenal fight, that much more epic. Because you're seeing it, you know what I'm saying? Like when you're a person, it's kind of hard to kind of see it break down what you've actually seen Yeah, see it clear on camera and they're doing the replays you're like yeah, holy shit And you hear it better you hear better because you're you got a microphone inside the cage

So you hear those whack you know like we'll play some shots sometimes like we're gonna play this back And so you can hear it so you get to hear like a knee slamming into someone's ribs or something like that. Like Kyle Noak, I think we did that in his knockout in Australia, that front kick to the body. He shot this perfect front kick to the body and the dude just went, Peter Sabato, like he made this like, ah, like you can hear it. Nothing he do it would but you hear the slap of the ball of his foot Just slamming into that dude's body was like a perfect front kick. I don't know looks great That's the thing a lot of those shots you when you can yeah, especially heavyweight mm-hmm. Oh, yeah You're not gonna hear them that good inside the actual arena itself. There's so much crowd noise

It's like unless you're right there, it's hard to hear. Like even when you're on the first tier, it's hard to hear the impact with everybody yelling and all that screaming. Yeah, I don't know when I'll go to another live event. For me, it's too stressful. Even football games are tough for me to go to. But the UFC, it's just so intense. And for me, it gives me these nerves being right back there. Even hotels.

I hate staying in hotels because of the stress of fight week. Wow. I hate it ask calum when cal and i go on the road i always look for an airbnb house because i hate hotels wow because i get super stressed i get anxiety isn't that isn't that rough oh you want to go on vacation with me no no you really don't i know it's an issue that's funny i know man that's a weird issue yeah it is the thing about being there live though is the energy in the room that you get where it's like it feels like history like there's been some fights where i was at or i was like taking it on and like wow i just went in some history like when weidman knocked out anderson i remember when like when anderson went down and weidman was just

playing basketball with his head ba-boom ba-boom ba-boom and it was sinking in oh my god Anderson is fucking out cold this is real like it didn't seem real until you know how when like something that's truly spectacular like that happens it almost doesn't seem real as it's going on looks like a video game yeah well especially because Anderson had beaten everybody for so long we had got it in our head that Anderson wins. Anderson beats everybody. Anderson beats Stefan Bonner.

It looked like he was going to lose to Chael Sonnen. Throws up that triangle and catches him. Anderson beats this guy. Anderson knocks out Vitor with the front kick. And then you see that Chris Weidman left hook just crank. Doosh. Just crank on his chin. And then you see Anderson's eyes roll back, and your brain is trying to process it.

Like, am I seeing this? Is this real? And then he's down, and I'm like, and then I remember whatever fucking noises I make. Like, oh, oh. And then Weidman's on top of him. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And they stop the fight, and I go, oh, my God. Crazy.

Like, you just realize. Did I just see this? I go, oh, my God. Like, you just realized. Did I just see this? I think there's no other live sporting event better than a good, solid UFC fight. There's no better live event. Like, this weekend, UFC 194, obviously it's sold out, but that will be the best live event to go to. Yeah, there's nothing live.

There's nothing live. Nothing live. Yeah, there's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. Nothing like it. Now, on the other end of that, if it's a sleeper, if it's a rough night, it is the worst event to go to. It gets boring. If they're all decisions, like all in their, it's a long night, it gets really boring. It can get boring. Yes. I mean, that's like anything, but it's tough, man. You know what I think is a tough thing?

When they have fights in high altitude. You know, like, unless you got all Colorado guys and Albuquerque guys and they're fighting in Denver. Like, shit, man. Who the fuck thought to put Mark Hunt and Ben Rothwell in Denver? Yeah, that was... Who's like, you know what, sign him up for Denver. And then how about this?

Then they go put Mark Hunt with Fabrizio in Mexico City, which is 2,000 feet above Denver. Oh, and you give him like a six day notice and he's 300 pounds. And he almost won. Talk about a... How about that? Well, warrior. What? Yeah and he's 300 pounds. And he almost won. Talk about a warrior. Yeah, came out in the first round, almost won. You know, and then comes out in a steepy Miocik fight out of shape.

You know, gets beaten down in that fight. And then they're great. Oh my god, he looks fantastic. He didn't even have to cut any weight at all to make 265. Well, I saw they just announced Verdum, Kane, February 8th or 6th. Yeah, that's the Super Bowl weekend. That's when Jamie does

all his gambling. Look at him. I hear that, dog. Smiling. Look at him. Football gambling. He gets crazy. He gets Scrooge McDuck in his brain. Did they announce where that fight's at? Is it Vegas? It's a Vegas fight for sure. I couldn't imagine it being anywhere else. A fight like that, that's a big fight. There's going to be a lot of betting. Unless it being anywhere else. A fight like that, that's a big fight.

There's going to be a lot of betting. Unless it's in Brazil. Don't honey dick Kane and make him go to Brazil. Let's keep him in Vegas, man. Listen, man. Kane is one of my favorite all-time fighters. However, he's not the champ anymore. The champ is Fabricio Verdum.

And if Fabricio Verdum wants to fight in Brazil, what if he's only going to have one fucking title fight ever? Who knows? Hey, homeboy, it doesn't work like that. Ask Holly Homeout as to being champ. They said, hey, real quick, Holly, just a reminder, you ain't shit. You're going to fight when Ronda's ready. So we're going to do it in July.

How rude. Tell me about it. I didn't make this decision. I'm just saying, the champ really, a lot of times, unless your name's Conor McGregor or Ronda Rousey, you don't have shit to say. Well, it is such a different scenario than it is in boxing. But in boxing, there are some parallels. Like, you saw Tyson Fury beat Vladimir Klitschko.

Did you see that bizarre fight? He beat the shit out of him. But Vladimir Klitschko, like, forgot how to box. I think age caught up with him. You think that's what it is. Just overnight, he looked like pure shit. And Tyson's tough to fight, man. Yeah, he's tough. He's undefeated. But he's undefeated.

He's taller than Klitschko. He's very awkward. He didn't really respect him. He's playing these games. I don't know. It looked like something was wrong with Klitschko's right hand. Did it? He didn't throw anything. He threw nothing. I think he was worried. I agree. He couldn't get the timing right. The shit talking.

I think the shit talking got to him. The guy constantly talks shit. Fuck with his emotions. And I think he's all wound up tight. I think that's a big, big issue with fighters. Big issue. Even with Klitschko, though? Yep.

He's been through the ringer. He's been lost 10 years. Doesn't matter. That kind of shit talking, that kind of disrespectful shit talking, I think it still gets to you. I think Aldo's fucked Saturday. Aldo's a different guy. Because we... I think Aldo...

Then Klitschko? Yes. You're talking about an Olympic gold medalist. Yes, but Klitschko has been a guy that they have labeled as a guy who has issues with mental toughness. He got knocked out by Corey... What the fuck is his name? I want to say Corey Anderson? What the hell?

No, not Corey Anderson. The South African guy knocked him out. Not Brewsteruster lamont bruster knocked him out too both guys knocked him out and you know the guys were saying like that he had issues with mental toughness that was the rap on him this is not my opinion this is the this is like the the boxing insiders that knew him from the gym would say these things and that was one of the things that they brought up in this fight That Tyson fury believed from talking to people that trained with Klitschko at a manual with Emanuel Stewart that Klitschko could be broken He could be bullied. He could be fucked with you can get inside his head You know no one's been a 10 years guy

No one's been able to do it for 10 years. Yeah, I mean look I'll say I'll tell you fuck up up both these boys and he fights Saturday Night. That Anthony Joshua guy from England. I'm telling you, man. Did you look this kid up? Yeah, I did. Yeah, he looks terrifying. God, dog.

And you know who everybody's ducking? Shannon Briggs. They really are. They don't want none of that. I mean, he's older, but yeah. He's older. He's 43 years old, but he is still packing some serious fucking power. 100%.

And he's got a wicked left hook to the body. He's nasty as fuck. I agree. He's got a skillful delivery of punches that is unparalleled in that division. I think if you watch the way he delivers combinations, he can deliver a one-two vicious left hook to the body that there's not a lot of guys in that division could do. It's a craft. I know, but it's hard to sell a 43 year old oh yeah it is being your champ

cory sanders that's who it is thank you um pull up uh the last fight shannon briggs last fight dude he's fighting a guy who does not deserve to be in the ring with him right he's a former world champion and at one time he's like one of the biggest prospects in the heavyweight division but he hits this dude with a one-two like a gentle one-two and then just pops him on the left hook left hook to the liver and the guy goes his body just crumbles it's the way he delivers it like there's a fluidity to his left hook like nikki holtzkin you ever seen nikki holtzkin throw that left hook oh by the best left hook in the world that left hook. One of the best left hook in the world. That left hook is a goddamn thing of beauty. It's from the heavens, yes.

The way Niki throws it, too, it's like he gets you thinking about these head punches and then snap. He just snaps it in, like, right in the pocket, that liver shot. You know they, not to go back to him, but you know they took Tyson Fury's title away. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's what I was going to say. Like, in MMA, you can't really, you can't look at it that way. Watch, well, I guess we're going to see a replay.

But why don't you bring it back to the beginning, Jamie, so we can watch from the beginning. Oof, Briggs is jacked, son. Well, can we go to the beginning of the video? Just go all the way to the beginning. There you go. Right to the beginning. But look at this. That's it.

That's exactly what I was looking for. Do that again. Play that again. Play that again. But just watch the fluidity. Pop, pop. Watch this. Come on, son. Pop, pop, and then that left hook under the arm. Who the fuck, who boxes like him in the heavyweight division? I would say, one more time, do that thing from the beginning. Look at that.

The whipping fluidity to his punches. He's got this real refined style of punching. He's going to struggle with a younger guy like that. Joshua or Dante Wilder, though. They're not going to sit there. That's true. They're going to push a hard pace. They're going to get in his face.

That guy he's fighting, he got straight off the bus. Look at this. That's nasty. But he had a hard time with Vitaly Klitschko. are going to get in his face. That guy he's fighting, he got straight off the bus and put on gloves. Look at this son. Yeah. That's nasty. Yeah. But, you know, he had a hard time with Vitaly Klitschko.

Vitaly Klitschko beat him up. But I don't know if he was working as hard back then as he was now. He's sort of like a reborn kind of a guy. Yeah. You know?

Good for him, man. He's got all these motivational videos online, too. Like, he's an interesting guy. I'm a fan. I am, too. Me, too. I want to see him get a shot

before he's too old. You know, he's 43. It's going to be tough I'm a fan. I am too. I want to see him get a shot before he's too old. He's 43. It's going to be tough, man. Dude, him and Tyson Fury would be some wild shit. That would be a wild ass fight. Him and Deontay Wilder, that would be another wild fight. Dude, I'm trying to see Deontay Wilder and that Joshua guy.

Yeah, that would be interesting. But boxing, right? It takes forever for anything to work out. Did you see Canelo Alvarez? Yes. Miguel Cotto? How good did Alvarez look? Jesus Christ.

He looked good. He looked good. To me, he's not the savior. He's not the Mexican savior that we're all looking for. He could be. Not yet. He could be. He was better.

If I'm Canelo's camp, you're not fighting Triple G next. We're not doing that. That's a bad idea. As a fan, I'm like, fuck yeah, fight. You fighting Triple G next. We're not doing that. That's a bad idea. As a fan, I'm like, fuck yeah, fight. You know what the problem with the Triple G fight is? If I was a promoter, I would say that guy only sold 145,000 pay-per-views in his last fight. Nobody knows who the fuck he is yet. He's dangerous as fuck.

He's dangerous as fuck. And if you're going to have that fight, it should be maximized. I agree, man. When Floyd and Manny, they almost missed the boat, right? Because Floyd or- Oh, they missed the boat. Well, they kind of did, but they still hit it pretty goddamn hard. It was the biggest fight ever.

It went big. I'm just saying it could have been bigger if they did it two years ago. They got lucky, and they pulled it back once Manny came back and won some fights. True. And looked really good. some fights and look really good but if you look at that division right now you know like if you look at like if you look at canelo's fight with floyd you know that was like a good fight for canelo to learn he's like really young he's trying to figure it out too much for him too much made a mainstream yeah but if you look at like granati Golovkin is a totally different kind of a guy

he's like he's a dangerous he's right no he's ready to go yeah he's ready to fight anyone in the world and beat him right now Canelo's not at that stage yet he might be though you think yeah after being an older Kodo yeah but he looked good he looked good he was showing all kinds of skills that he hadn't shown before that counter uppercut He was doing a lot of nasty stuff in there. His defense looked amazing. And he fucking hits hard. He scares guys because he doesn't throw a lot of half speed stuff. He doesn't allow stuff.

Yeah. It's just, it's an assault, you know, and you feel that like that pressure right off the beginning. Like he puts this pressure on Kodo and that pressure is always there. It's a part of the fight. It's like his power and his presence. is always there. It's a part of the fight. It's like his power and his presence,

they are an added element that Cotto has to consider that he didn't have to consider with Cotto. With Cotto, he had a minus P's and Q's. He had a huge good defense, and he had to stay on it. But he's really only dealing with a left hook. Cotto really never hurts guys that bad with his right hand. But he has a very nasty left hook, but he's really been fighting smaller guys, too. I was going to say, he's a lot smaller.

Cotto's thing, even if he was landing, Canelo didn't respect it. He just walked through it. Canelo's like probably $1.70 when he's walking around. He's tiny. I've done stuff. Canelo or Cotto? Cotto.

Cotto's tiny. Cotto is. I've done campaigns with that guy, and he is tiny. What is he, like 5'5", 5'6"? 5'6", probably. And he weighs 155 in shape, right? Yes. Yeah, and Canelo cuts down and then probably gets in the 170s, right?

He's a big boy. He's a big boy. Bigger for that weight class. And that's why Floyd wanted a catchweight fight with him, right? Yeah. And that's why they did a catchweight with Cotto and Canelo. Yes. See, we've got to weaken that kid you know weaken them to get them down there see but i the the thing i do like about boxing is by the time these guys reach their potential they've had like 20 or

30 fights you know i'm saying like they've had a lot of experience they're ready for that next step exactly in the ufc we don't have that really exactly we just don't have that and like look at page and uh rose Rose I think is what, three and two or some shit like that? And their headliner. Yeah. It's tough, man.

Well, that's also the women's division is a little bit less experienced. Not a little, a lot less experienced in the men's division. There's that. That's a bad example,

but like at least Sage Northcutt, like, I mean, you want to talk about a mismatch, this fight tonight? Cody Pfister? How dare you? What's that face? He's out this fight tonight? Cody Pfister? How dare you?

What's that face? He's out there. His mom's out there. How dare you? His parents are watching. I know. Sage is going to kick his head off. I mean, that fight is tailor-made for him.

We'll see. But I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's an easy fight. Cut to one of those YouTube videos. Cody Pfister on top, ground and pounding him. And Chubb's like, fuck me. Oh, I know, right? Oh, there you go, Chubb's like fuck me oh I know right oh there you go Chubb way to go you don't know shit man

you didn't call the run to fight either you idiot I'm just saying I like this step for Sage like it's a good progression in his career well he's in a deep deep deep deep deep division he is jacked we need a new word jacked and shredded cause he's in a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep division. He is jacked. The boy is in shape. We need a new word.

We need a new word. Is it a jacked? Jacked and shredded because he's like some new thing. He doesn't have any fat. He has no fat and he's swolled up. I can't think that's healthy. I've got to think that like some fat is probably good for your body. It's good for cardio too.

Yeah. It's good for your cardio. Well, it's also like depending on what your body's using for fuel. True. Like what are you using for fuel? Is your body using fat or is your body using glucose? Because you're not getting any glucose in a five-round fight. Oh, look at this boy.

I mean, he looks like he could just be the lead singer of a boy band right now. Somebody on the underground, I forget what the exact quote that he looks like. I'm going to butcher this because I don't have it in front of me. But they said something like, he looked like a boy band fucked an American Eagle. Whoever that is that said that, I'm sorry. I didn't give you credit. This kid's just shredded. I think he said something like,

someone from NSYNC fucked an American Eagle. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. I mean, fuck's sakes. How long do you think he can keep pussy away? Because it's got to be like a swarm of malaria-ridden mosquitoes flying into his hotel room. Think about every fucking, what? How can he?

Every girl wants to get with him. And he's at Texas A&M. I don't know if you've ever seen the smoke shows at Texas A&M. Those are my favorite girls. They're the best. God bless them. Them and Australians. Yeah, Australians favorite girls. They're the best. God bless them. Them and Australians. Yeah, Australians get wild.

They're pretty hot. I just feel like homeboy is going to have to break at some point. But you know what's weird? Do you see the article on his dad? I heard, but I didn't bother digging in because I figured, you know what? I don't even want to read this. I mean, it's just his dad has apparently a dark past. It has nothing to do with him.

They just assume that his dad has this weird past that Sage is on some shit. I don't think so. The kid's too young. Well, say the path. What is the path? I think he went to prison for 10 plus years for selling steroids and other stuff. And cocaine, right? Yes.

Yeah. Well, that's a good combination. If you want to be really angry and strong. Especially if you're in pride. It's a hell of a drug i think you'll win a belt yeah i hope it doesn't have anything to do with him i hope his dad i'm sure come on he's just a freak man could be you know well he's also been training since he was five and that you know here's the thing about steroids you need a lot more than that to look like that to be that 100 that's genetics it's genetics and it's insane work.

Yes. There's just no way around it. I'd say more genetics than anything. 100%. At his age, more genetics. And I think a strict diet for the majority of his life. I mean, he's been eating lean chicken and he details what he eats. Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's in college too, so I'm sure after this fight he's balls deep in Chipotle or something. I don't think he is, man. You don't think so? I think he's one of those guys. Ooh. Those guys are tough to hang out with. Those are scary.

Those guys are tough to hang out with. Well, look at him. He's got this fucking glow that's like, yeah, everything's amazing. He's still coming out of the womb. Yeah. He has no idea. He's never seen anything dark in his life. Did you see him deadlift 500 pounds or some shit?

Does he really? He looks at the camera. He's hey everybody he's just like jesus sets it down well we were waiting for these guys to start showing up these guys who's who have been a project by some overzealous father who has a martial arts background and it takes the kids yeah well you know what i'm saying you know i'm saying maybe he did in the 80s like you gotta tap on the 90s when did tap out start? If he had a tap out shirt in like 98, I'll accept it. And he's watching just Rich Franklin. What is that? Why are you showing me your ass? Look at him. He's like, hey, there you go.

Hey, check this out, everyone. Is that real? Yeah, that's real. That guy lifted 500 pounds like it's nothing. Gadoosh. I don't know how much that is. It looks like a shitload, though. That's a lot of weight. I don't know who that is. What is that? I'm not mad at that.

Girl sticking her ass out. Holy shit. Not mad at her. Yeah, that's a strong fucker. He's definitely talented. He's got a lot of techniques, too. And he's really good at transitioning between striking and grappling. But what I was going to say when we're on this long, circuitous route is that someone like a Holly Holm is not in a position like a Tyson Fury is.

Or Tyson Fury can say, fuck it. I don't want to fight this Russian cat. She's not? But hold on. Let me finish. Sorry, bro. Let me finish. He can say, Tyson Fury can say, I don't want to fight this Russian dude.

And they will, fuck it. We're stripping you of the title. He's like, whatever, bitch. I know I'm still a champ. Everybody knows I'm the champ. I just beat Vladimir Klitschko. Fuck you. He can do that and get away with it. And he can go to Bob Arum

or he can go to Golden Boy or the Money Team. You know what I mean? There's all these different promoters. Floyd Mayweather. There's all these different promoters that will put on excellent fights that are big pay-per-view events that HBO can show. That's the difference.

With the UFC, it's the UFC. There's one game in town. So if Holly Holm says, you know what, I'm not waiting for Ronda Rousey. I'm fighting Misha Tate. Put the fucking fight together. Can't do it. Really? I disagree.

But this is what I'm saying. I disagree. How can she? She can say, listen, if you don't give me a fight before then, come July, I'm not doing shit. Oh, and your biggest payday, I'm not doing anything. You can't do that. Why? Because she's got a contract. I'm sure she has a contract.

They can't fine her. I don't know what the contract says when you're the champion, do you? I don't. I would assume that it says something. They must have to get it in writing in some way that you're obligated to defend your title against a challenger of their choosing. I would assume. Okay, if I was going to run a promotion like the UFC. And that's fine.

I'm just saying if, let's say, if I'm Jon Jones or if I'm Ron. Right. Rhonda's calling the shots, my man. I don't know if you guys realize. Rhonda's basically, listen, I have this movie here. I need to fight here. That's how this is going down. Okay, let man. I don't know if you guys realize. Ronda's basically, listen, I have this movie here. I need to fight here. That's how this is going down. Okay, let me correct you.

And I'm saying with Holly. Let me correct you. Go. That's not what's going on. What's going on is a number. That number is 200. UFC 200. Correct.

They want to make it the biggest fucking UFC the world has ever known. They're already advertising it, okay? You'll see these big, like, big images. It just comes on July 2016 UFC 200. There's no other number. Hold on. There's no other number that's like that. That they're looking towards this thing. Then, there's also this gigantic

arena that's opening up in Vegas in April. So, they know that that's where they're going to do it, and they know they're going to do it in July. So, this is what's motivating. No, I get that, and they know they're going to do it in July. So this is what's motivating. No, I get that, Joe. If you don't think that they're the ones that are guiding this to July, and not Ronda, guarantee you

it's them. I'm not saying that. I'm saying previously before Ronda's been able to, with movies and everything, decide what she fights. Yeah, well not now, though. No, not now. This is whatever. I don't know if her jaw's messed up or whatever. With this now, I'm just saying if I'm Holly, she has more power than she thinks.

Yes and no. Because if someone was out that long, because it's a long time, you know what I'm saying? But from a business standpoint, I'm with Dana White. That fight has to happen. You can't have Holly fight anyone else. See, I disagree. Really? Yeah, I disagree.

Watch how many pay-per-views Holly vs. Misha sells. Okay, listen. First of all, this is what I think. This is my personal opinion. This is just opinions. I think you're crazy to not have more than one superstar. And I think Holly has the legit possibility of being a superstar. Legit.

She has everything going for her. She's a preacher's daughter. She is very well-spoken. She's very calm, and she's got a great personality, and she's sweet, and people root for her. I agree. And in the face of all the craziness and the trash-talking, the media obligations and the pressure,

she showed character, and she never cracked. And when she got in there, she performed like a world-class fighter. I agree. And became the new champion. That's a potential superstar. Okay. For sure. And if Ronda is going to be out for this long amount of time, why rush her? Why? I mean, if July, okay, you're talking about July, right? We're in December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, seven months. She just said in an interview that she's not going to be able to eat an apple for six months. Forget about taking impact. So how is that going to happen in July and have her be at her optimum?

How is it going to happen? I don't know. The UFC is pushing it. I don't know who's pushing it. I haven't talked to anybody. I don't know. But UFC 200. My personal opinion.

Holly Holm could be a fucking monster. She could be a monster. She could be a monster on the level of any champion in combat sports. Any champion in the UFC. She can. If Holly Holm just goes on to dominate the way Ronda dominated and we all know that she knocked Ronda

out. If she gets in there and fights fill in the blank. Fill in whatever girl's name. And head kicks her into oblivion on television. Everybody's like, holy shit, we got a new one. Ronda didn't become Ronda immediately. She became Ronda with a series of spectacular victories. Holly Holm strings a few of those together, you got another gigantic dynamo.

Then, when Ronda's ready to come back and she's 100% healed and healthy and has made some corrections and really worked on fixing whatever holes were exposed during her game, then you have this monumental fucking super fight. And if Misha wins, then you've got a crazy fucking love triangle here. No. See, and this all sounds great. What are you even knowing?

I'm saying no, because this all sounds great unless Holly and Misha fight, or Holly fights Cyborg and she loses, your biggest payday goes out the window. Cyborg's out the window because she's saying she's not going to make 135. That's just whatever. Fuck Cyborg. Let's just look at what we got here. Misha. Okay, if Misha wins, if Misha beats Holly Holm, and then Misha wants to fight Ronda again, and then they make a Misha-Ronda, you're good.

You're crazy. What the fuck are you talking about? She's already lost twice. What if she keeps the fight standing and outstrikes her? They've already fought twice. That's true. You tell me that's going to break records? Misha taking Ronda free?

I think it would be an interesting fight. No, no, no. I didn't ask that. I think it could be an interesting fight. I think it could break records. I don't know if it'll break records. I think that to break records is Holly. Yes.

Holly, Ronda is your money fight. But if Holly, I think the long game is if Holly gets even better, if she gets even more recognition, and Ronda fully heals up, and you also give a chance for Misha Tate to take that title, you run a risk. But I think even if Misha Tate beats Holly, and they have a three-round rematch, or a five-round main event rematch, non-title fight, if Misha's

got the strap and Holly and Ronda go at it in a five-rounder, that shit would still be bananas. Gigantic. I agree. And everybody makes money. You get more superstars. You get more high-level marquee matchups. Marquee names.

Don't you think that, because I don't think Ronda has three or four fights left in her. So this whole round, Robyn thinks. Why do you say that? Because she said, if I lose to Holly, I'm going to retire. So by even saying, if I fight Holly and I lose, I'm going to retire. She said that? She said that in a recent interview. That's not good.

She goes, if I were to lose to Holly, I'm done. I retire. Wow. Yeah, I'm not making that up. So as soon as someone says, if this were to happen i'm gonna retire that means you're already thinking about the end of the road so what there's gonna be no round robin so the short game and the big payday in the short scheme is ronda holly so i get the july wait i'm just saying it sucks for holly that's the only person that loses in this

is holly i think i think july is uh is gonna to be tricky if ronda's telling if she's honest or if she's accurate rather about how long it's going to take her to heal up well she's just got cleared she just got cleared but she also did an interview where she said she's not going to be able to eat an apple i know that's what i don't understand well that's what i'm saying and she's also staying with uh i forget his name now fucking uh homeboy, Edmund. She's staying with Edmund, too. So that's another thing. So she's staying with Edmund, and this is the issue. Where do you think she should go?

I have no idea. If I had a plan, I would tell you, Joe, but she has to get better, and I think everyone's doing her a disservice, including Dana White, including Edmund, saying you've been so busy, all this stress, because all it is, Ronda, Ronda, Ronda. Can we give Holly the credit and say, Holly's just better, man. And for Ronda to beat her, she has to get better in striking. That's the only way she's going to beat her.

If you think she's going to beat her by grappling, you're full of shit. It's not going to happen. So to fight in July and she's shooting a movie, really? And she's staying with the same trainer. Why do you think the outcome's going to be different? Well, it could. First of all, I disagree that she couldn staying with the same trainer. Why do you think the outcome's going to be different? Well, it could, first of all, I disagree that she couldn't beat her in grappling. I think it's very possible that

she could catch her with something. It's very possible. There could be a scramble, and she can catch her. 100% it's possible. But why do you say it's not, then? I'm saying the chances of her beating Holly, because they're only chances to grapple, right? Okay, so let's say that doesn't work again, and we're back to stand-up.

Okay. So why would you think of continuing what you're doing is going to be any different? But wouldn't you say she has a distinct advantage in grappling? If it goes down there? If it goes down there, right? But wouldn't you say that? Holly's only been grappling for a few years. 100%, and Holly's never been taken down.

Well, she was down in this fight, but it was really, she was on top. She took Ronda down. She took Ronda down, and the one time where Ronda was going top she took she took ronda down and the one time where ronda was going for the arm bar ron was on the bottom um but theoretically i mean at least if you looked at the two of them in terms of just raw grappling you would have to think that ronda's got a much higher level 100 of her game 100 if she didn't get tagged the way she got tagged in that fight it is a big if it's a giant if it's almost If you take away Holly's phenomenal striking. Yeah, we then you don't know you don't have to take away our striking

You just have to avoid it You have to figure out a way to avoid it and one of the ways to avoid is not go head-on Like you look at the Rick Raquel Pennington fight Raquel fought a much more conservative fight with Holly and that was a split decision. It's a different demeanor. You're talking about footwork angles, less aggressive. That's not how Ronda got this famous. It's true, but that doesn't mean anything. It's like, what do you have to do to win? Forget about what got you famous.

What's the best tactical, technical approach to fighting someone who is as talented a striker as Holly? And do you have that skill set in seven months? That's a good question. Do you have the skill set to get great footwork, avoid Holly striking, get her down to the ground? And we know that there's only a couple ways to develop the kind of movement that she's going to have to get. And one of those is sparring.

100%. You're going to have to spar, so you're going to have to be able to get hit. And if you have five six months Where you can't get I mean who knows she might have overestimated that they might like look at it again in a couple months might heal Up quick. Maybe there's some things they can do to help it heal up. Who knows who knows if she say if she was fine If she's fine now, I didn't have any teeth problems didn't have any of that Like how long do you think she should wait before she starts getting hit after a vicious, flatline, head kick knockout

from one of the best kickboxers in the female Bantamweight division? In a perfect world? Actually, let's call her the best. Between her and Jermaine Rondemey, who's an outstanding Muay Thai champion, multiple-time world champion, but she hasn't been as successful in MMA. But she is a nasty Muay Thai striker.

That is actually an interesting matchup. Her and Holly. Phenomenal matchup. Phenomenal matchup. If more people knew who Rondemay is, it would really be a very interesting fight to set up. But I think that, man, that level, the level of kickboxing is very dangerous. Her head kicks that she hides behind those punches, you go back and watch Holly's early

fights, she gets those hands in front of you and then whack, that fucking left high kick comes out of nowhere. In a perfect world, I would say probably six months without any contact. Six months without any contact. Can't do that, though. That's a smart move. Can't do that if you're fighting in seven months. Well, shouldn't it always be in a perfect mood or in a perfect world and in shouldn't like if there's outside pressures

Oh the outside pressure. They should say they should stop and think about what the fuck they're doing I really believe that I should I think they should make sure Look if Rhonda is gonna perform at her best You should have everything lined up. So, you know know she's good to go before anything gets set up everything should be lined up well yeah I agree everything should be lined up there should be no we're talking about a harass we haven't talked to Rhonda we don't know what an idea this is from an interview for people Thomas I mean I tried to avoid this shit but did you see the other thing she's done the interview that she was out from the first punch

no I didn't see that she got cracked by that first punch and she's basically on survival instincts. She just didn't know. But is that, how does she know that? Here's the thing. When you get head kicked like that, right, you forget a lot of things. Your memory becomes this weird blur of events it's it's very hard to discern exactly what things took place in what order after you've been head kicked like that you know like if you like you've had fights like the var

Johnson fight perfect example you fought a fucking scary dude and you fought super smart you got in on that motherfucker and you took him down over and over again you controlled you controlled the fight you controlled it perfectly so you got out of that fight with a perfect recollection of how it went down right but you've had fights before where after the fight like the roy nelson fight roy nelson uh crow cop even though i won the crow cop fight when i look back i'm like what like someone kept someone was telling me how i took him down i'm like i did i don't remember that yeah the travis brown fight i thought it was the uppercut that really fucked me up but it was when i went for a takedown he sprawled i landed on my neck after watching i remember that's when i was really fucked up because it landed on my neck and it rattled rattled me

so that's how tj grant got his concussion same exact way yeah people don't realize that like you know when two guys are shooting, one guy's shooting for a takedown, another guy's trying to defend, that hip to the face is super common. Super common to get your bell rung. Yeah, because I very rarely

watch my fights back. And then I watch this, the Trash Brown fight, probably like, I don't know, right after the fight. And I watch it and I'm like, oh, I'm not the same guy.

Oh my God, I'm different. So you got rattled? You got rattled with that? Super rattled. And then you got rattled again with the punch. Yeah. Yeah, because after it rattled me, then I watch my movement and I'm real slow. And our whole game plan was to avoid getting back to the cage.

I go straight back to the cage, hands down. Oh, wow. It's like, that's not me. We trained 12 weeks to avoid that. Yeah. It's weird, right? Head trauma, man. Head trauma.

Head trauma. Head trauma. So in a perfect world, Ronda, it's it's six months and you know, it's six months I wonder what a neurologist would say me to you know someone who really understands head trauma from like a physical like just Just breaking it down to the actual physical components of the brain and all the connective tissue and what kind of damage was done. And you look at it with an MRI and you look for inflammation.

And what are the issues? I agree. I think I'll tell you this, though. If there's anyone who can pull it out of her ass and get a win with that amount of time at six months with that schedule, it's Ronda Rousey with her tenacity and everyone's saying, oh, she should have left the camp. For her, that's fire for the fuel. So for her, I think-

Fuel for the fire. Fuel for the fire. She's going to use that and really take it to another level, which is scary. But at the same time, is that the best way to go? I don't think so. It is interesting in the UFC, as opposed to other combat sports, where in other combat sports, the champion is in the driver's seat. Like Roy Jones Jr., when Roy Jones Jr. was the champ of the world, there was a Roy Jones show, okay? Of course.

He was in the goddamn driver's seat, and everybody else, you've got to wait with your fucking warm, wet towel to wash his balls, and someone else has got to be there with a towel to dry them off. It's the Roy Jones Jr. show, okay? Whoever wants it. is it hbo is it pay-per-view yeah but they're lining up to see roy jones it's not i agree the you know wbc you know wbc boxing it didn't mean that he could have thrown those fucking belts in the trash and fought everybody and we'd still nobody would care yep nobody i think i think i think with holly it's tough because she has this tremendous skill set and she's such a good person. But, you know, it's kind of like the Chris Weidman effect. They're so damn good, but now we see the Conor McGregor and the Ronda Rousey.

It's like Holly, right? Ronda's on the – and I took all this heat because I said I don't think there's any other girl who can carry a pay-per-view main event like Ronda right now. It's just not going to happen. So I get all this heat. And I know you disagree a little bit. I get all this heat. But Holly just beat Ronda, right? Holly's on top of the world.

Holly's not on the front cover of ESPN, the magazine. Holly's not doing interviews like Ronda's doing right now. Yeah, but it just happened. It just happened. I'm just saying. Yeah, but this just happened. Holly is now the thing in MMA. She's the number one story. No, no, no. That's not true. She's the number one story. No mma she's the number one story no no no no that's not true

she's the number one story no ron no the girl who knocked out ronda is the number one story because she's the winner in this i disagree i i disagree with you because she's the winner in this she's a successor she might not be as famous as ronda but she's got the momentum she's the winner she's the one right now who's the champion she's the one right now. Who's the champion? She's the one night now that people went wow what a fucking performance by Holly home eyes are on her now as far as an athlete In a fighter. I think all eyes are on Rhonda. Can't she bounce back from this? Well, there's gonna be all this stuff. There's gonna be that way more than that Rhonda lost in that fight 100 Holly. Holly is the story right now. She's the winner.

Other than Aldo and McGregor and for the hardcore fans, Wyman and Rockhold, Holly Holm is the fucking story. She should be. I agree, she should be. In my eyes, she's the story. I agree.

And she should get more notoriety than anyone right now. I think that, and I think if marketed correctly, she has the potential to be fucking gigantic. Could she be as big as Ronda? Is Ronda as big as she is because she's an antagonist and she's big as she is because she's the person who says all that crazy shit fucks with girls and you know she's got that fucking

you know attitude about her and comes out to that joan jett song and was beating girls asses and was pulling it off is that what it was check check check check when a Holly Holm comes along and and shows you an Alternative approach and an approach that ultimately is more successful Against that one person we have one fight You know that white fight one fight between the two of them Holly's flawless right flawless performance Why but doesn't make any sense mean is there are we do we have a limited amount of fucking superstars is there a limited amount of female champs that become huge i think no i think holly has all the ingredients she's not this it's not gonna be the same kind of star because i doubt there'll be as many people who hate her but that hate also fueled pay-per-view buys people that

were happy when ronda lost there's all this extra reality TV shit that's going on with a Ronda Rousey. Well, she crossed over to pop culture, so everyone was chiming in. She crossed over. She became this cultural icon globally. True. She became a big... And the first woman ever that was this ass-kicker like that, that looked like her. There's never been one of those before.

I agree. So Holly comes along. Holly's going to be a different kind of star. Totally different star. She's going to be a So Holly comes along. Holly's going to be a different kind of star. Totally different star. She's going to be a big star. I think Holly's going to be a big star. She's not going to be a Ronda star. She's not going to get the papery numbers like Ronda.

I don't know about that, man. That's just my... You might be right. Hopefully I'm wrong. You might be right. Hopefully I'm wrong. I love Holly. I think Holly's the greatest thing to happen in the women's division in a long, long time.

But she's a great person. And if I had a daughter, I can point to Holly and say, you can act like her. This is good. I agree. And we can't say that for a very long time. Right. I agree 100%. She's a classic example of an honorable mixed martial arts competitor.

That's what you want. She's a true martial artist. And she acts like a true champion. Yes. True pro. I think that with the right fights, she could be gigantic. So this is her mainstream coming out party. She knocks out Ronda Rousey, this giant upset, this huge performance.

She looks spectacular. This is a coming out party. And then she fights someone else. You don't necessarily have to have this rematch right away. And I think this also sets the seeds up for other people to get attention. Like Kat Zingano who knocked out Misha Tate. Remember that fucking fight? If Kat Zingano didn't charge after Ronda like that,

what if Kat was able to stuff the takedown and turn that fight into a fucking brawl? Who knows what fight we missed out on because Kat decided to throw a crazy flying knee. Worst game plan of all time in UFC history. She probably meant that to you. 100% she will. But she is a fucking badass.

Hell yeah, she's a badass. That girl is a badass. Super skilled. Watch that fight with Misha Tate. When she hits her with that overhand elbow. Whack! I mean, oh! She's nasty.

See, I think, and they're all so close in the women's division at 135. I think Holly's going to struggle with Tate and Kat. I think she's the perfect Achilles heel for Ronda. I think these other matchups are a lot tougher for her. They might be. And sometimes that's interesting. Sometimes that's it. Styles make fights, man.

For us, the media needs a dominant champion, man. To be a superstar, you need to be dominant. Yeah, I don't know, man. I think rivalries are great, too. Sugar Ray Leonard, when he lost to Roberto Duran, got even more famous. And then when they did it again in the rematch, the No Mas fight, that fight was gigantic. No, yeah, those guys are badass. I don't think Kat Zingano, and you can compare Kat Zingano and those guys.

Respectfully, I agree. Just can't, Joe. Skill-wise, you're right. I'm with you, man. Those are phenomenal fights. We're talking about moments in time where people are popular, where they're fighting for titles. I'm saying for the women's division right now, you need a dominant champ. I don't know about that, man.

If Holly goes out and face kicks Tate in the first round, then gets Kat Zingano and drops her, all right, now we fucking got something. But she loses to Tate. It's like, oh, fuck. Now, here's another thing, and I hate to be the jinx here. I hate to be the guy who talks about this. But for a girl like Rhonda, who's going to go into movies and is going to take off and become this. She's fine either way.

But is she? Because do people want to see those movies the same way they wanted to see those movies? When she was smashing Alexis Davis and armbarring M misha tate knocking out bech cohea do is there that same draw well i'll say this i don't think people are going to ronda movies because she's a phenomenal actress does that make sense like i'm not going to see ron's movies you got to see her you got to see her act in this she is amazing she is right well you of a lifetime. Because she's Ronda Rousey. Because she's supposedly the baddest woman on the planet. Now Holly Holm

shut her down. So now Holly is thought to be the baddest woman on the planet. Correct. Unless she fights Cyborg, if they figure out a catch weight fight in MMA, that's really the big scary fight for her. For sure. And she said she would fight her. She's fought at 152 in boxing.

Holly Holm, she's gangster. But, I mean, I think, other than, what would you do if you were the promoter? Let me ask you this. What would you do? If I'm Dana White? Yes. Scrooge McDuck? What do you do?

If I'm Scrooge McDuck, Dana White? Well, I fire Reebok right now. By the way, I'm Scrooge McDuck, Dana White, I fire Reebok right now. By the way, I say Scrooge McDuck like three or four times a week now strictly because of you. Yes. He sent me this text the other day with a picture of Scrooge McDuck sitting on a pile of gold, and I was just laughing. I love that character. If I'm Dana White, I do exactly what he's doing.

Would you? What about the long game? How much money do you need in the bank before you start looking at the long game? Well, your cash cow is Ronda Rousey, right? That's right. But how much does that cash cow worth? I'm with you. Is he so close to Ronda Rousey, right? That's right. But how much does that Cash Cow worth? I'm with you. Is he so close to Ronda?

Is he one of these guys saying, oh, you just need to fight her again, get healthy, and you're going to beat her? And then he's thinking the long game there, and then the third fight's going to be even bigger. Well, it could be that he has 100% faith in her, and he thinks that if Ronda cuts the distractions out of her life, comes back in focused, and attacks and does the fight the correct way, that she'll win. He could think that. And I think that's a bad way to think. I think then you need to jump in line and you're a yes man. Because someone needs to sit her down and be like, listen, I just think we need to work on some things.

That should be the plan. Here's the other thing. There's no evidence of that. If you're going to look at a fight and you're going to look at a result and you're going to assess what went wrong, what went right, what could be changed, what could be different, there's no

evidence that she could have done it better. What I mean is not that she couldn't have fought better. What I mean is that we don't have any evidence. Our only evidence is that we don't have any evidence. Our only evidence is Ronda's past fights and Holly's past fights. That's all we can go off of. The evidence of the first fight that they had, it was a domination by Holly.

So there's no evidence that Ronda could have done better. You have to look at it technically. I agree. You have to look at the attacks, the interactions, the exchanges, right? So they have these exchanges inside the octagon. And in those exchanges, Holly had all the answers. She had all the answers, and she had the right strategy and the right movements. And you saw her reacting to things that she knew were going to take place.

The left hand goes for the clinch. She's moving it away. She's landing counter shots. She lands that beautiful counter straight left. She's throwing that oblique kick. She's attacking the knee and the thigh with that oblique kick. She does that thing fast too. And she's very agile. True. So you look at that and you look at these interactions, you go, well, there's a lot of work to be done here. There's a lot. This is not just a simple matter of someone being tired. You have to solve all-

There's technical issues. Giant technical issues. So do you just chalk it up to, you know what? We just need to get you healthy because you just got to do what you do. She does what she do, and hopefully it's good enough. If not, either way, it's a big payday. I think you give her time. I think you have to give her time.

Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez. That's a mouthful when you got butter coffee in your face. Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out Manny Pacquiao, and Freddie Roach says to him, you can't fight for a year. We're not doing nothing for a year. I want you to rest up because that was a brutal knockout. I like that. It is.

Well, look at Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach has trauma-related Parkinson's from his career in boxing. I think what he did is smart, it's ethical, it's intelligent, and it's correct. And he did it because he's a guy who's experienced the effects of not doing that, of being rattled inside the cage, and he did it because he wanted the best result for Manny. So Manny comes back a year later. It doesn't look like he's had any ill effects because of that knockout.

He looked great. Because he fully healed. Now, how many guys have we seen come back like Anderson Silva? Gets knocked out by Chris Weidman, just brutally knocked out. Comes back and in the second fight gets dropped in the first round from a punch in the clinch, which probably wouldn't have dropped him a few years ago. Look at Leo Machida. Yeah, exactly. You get to a certain point where you've taken enough damage where if you don't allow your body to fully recover from that damage, you're going to have a diminished ability to absorb

punishment. I'll tell you this, man. I don't envy Dana White. I don't either. Making these decisions. I don't either. It's a hell of a job. I don't envy.

He doesn't have time to have a perspective like you and I do either. You got to realize this fucking guy is 24-7 making calls, setting up meetings, doing this, flying here, doing this, press conference and that and this thing and that thing. Dana White's life is fucking overwhelming. For him, it's also a business too. Yes. You and I are not trying to make money. We're looking at it in terms of like, okay, what do you think is, if you had to move all the pieces on the board in order to achieve checkmate, in order to achieve the best result, what's the move?

What's the move? Do you just go all in, you know? I don't think you do. I don't think you do. I think you have to be real careful. Also, you have to be real careful. You have a big superstar, right, like Ronda, and your big superstar gets flatlined

Okay, that is probably the worst result if you want women to get into MMA You want women to like come up like you know? We want to have a lot more people that are really into fighting a lot more women that are into it And then you watch the number one woman get just fucking blasted into the middle of the universe okay? Yeah, like Michael Chavelle says, astral traveling. That's what he likes to say. I love Chavelle. Me too.

So if that happens again and she suffers serious repercussions, now you've got a real problem with your sport. Well, now the story's over, though. The story's over? The story's over. Yeah, and I think the story doesn't have to be over. I think this is obviously there's some lessons to be learned from that fight right technically Strategy wise the that does like when you're chasing after a striker

You know sure in the reaction the public's eye absolutely when you're chasing after a striker that shit is never a good idea Especially if you don't have good head movement, but chasing a striker like Holly who's so agile and you have knee problems so you're not the most agile so you've got knee knee problems you've got a girl who does flips at the end of every fight at the end of every fight she stands on her trainer's hands and michael john flips her through the air and she goes flying like a acrobat amazing yeah and she never misses it all right she she nails it she's amazing every time amazing she's an athlete she's a super athlete just like ronda i'll go you won better she might be a better athlete because if you look at her she never gets out of shape she's totally ripped she's like her body is optimized right if you want to look

at someone whose body's optimized you would say well here's a girl who uh has a minimal amount of body fat she's got a good amount of muscle, you could tell she works hard and is in phenomenal shape. The two of them fight, and in the first round, Ronda comes back exhausted. Holly's not. They both fought the same round. Ronda is exhausted. Holly's not. Is it because of the punishment she took?

That probably had something to do with it. It's also the way she fights, too. It's also the way she fights. Yes. But that's a part of being an athlete. I agree. Part of being an athlete is making smart choices. I agree. Especially a combat sports athlete. Making smart choices and adjusting.

It's life and death. Yes. And adjusting. Win or lose. Adjusting mid-fight is critical. And having off-speed, different rhythms to rely upon. But Ronda's never had to make those adjustments. Exactly. And then's never had to make those adjustments.

Exactly. And then you're trying to make them with a superior athlete. Exactly. And then you're like, ah, fuck. Exactly. You know, I had a buddy who wanted to do MMA, and he's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, and he was doing very minimal striking training.

And we talked about it, and I said, look, dude, do you know what you can do to a white belt? You know that feeling where you get in there and you roll with a guy and he's a white belt, and you just fucking strangle him, just wrap him up, strangle him, you do whatever you want? Somebody's going to do that to you with kickboxing. And it ain't fun. There's no tapping out. It's not fun at all. And you can't think that it's, they don't know. Because even though kickboxing, I don't think there's the same broadness that there is in jiu-jitsu,

where I think jiu-jitsu is almost like never-ending as far as techniques. Yes. But kickboxing has so much depth. Like real high-level kickboxing has so much depth, and there's so many variables with guys who are really good, who have very specific styles and way to draw you in, and they set traps for you. And you think they're doing this, and they're doing that, and they're setting up kicks with punches and punches with kicks. And they're trapping you and kneeing you and elbowing you in the face.

There's so much going on, man, that if you think that you're just going to go in there with some bullshit guy who holds the pads and uses those pool floaties and taps your gloves. You're an idiot. Or you just have no idea what you're getting into, which is very unsafe. Very unsafe. So you better be one of two things. You better be some fucking stud, Phil Davis-type, all-American wrestler who could just pretty much take down anybody in the division

so you get to dictate where the fight takes place. Or don't fight that guy. Learn how to fucking kickbox first man learn because this is you're gonna get shinned and you get shinned in the head that is one of the worst results you could ever have in mma ever if somebody arm bars you you tap if somebody chokes you out you wake up you wake up you go what happened and you're you're okay you get fucking gonzaga in the head? Like Gabriel Gonzaga knocked out Krokop or Krokop knocked out Vanderlei? What? Jesus. Dude, you know Krokop?

I mean, you know Gonzaga's fighting, I think, tonight or tomorrow night. He's on this card. Did you know that? I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. Who's he fighting? He's fighting some Russian cat.

Yeah, he's on the undercard. How crazy is that? I was going through the fight card. I'm like, oh shit, Gonzaga's doing the damn thing. crazy is that I was going through the fight card I'm like oh shit Gonzaga's doing the damn thing Is it tonight Is he fighting tonight He's on fight pass

Jesus Christ Where is it I don't see it I don't see it on the schedule Oh it's tomorrow night Okay Surprising though right I had no idea

Hey 35 fights in 3 days What is going on with that? What's the idea behind that? I should probably ask. I feel like you'd know more than I would. I should know more than you do. What's wrong with me? I don't know.

For sure just text Dana. He's not going to return my text. He would return your text. Not if I was like, hey, man. What the fuck are you guys doing? What's up with 35 fights, bro? Why are you guys fucking up so hard? But I think it's amazing.

It's a Christmas weekend for fighters. Hell yeah. Or for fans, rather. It's phenomenal. But nothing matters except for UFC 194. Konstantin Yurokin. Yeah, okay. That guy's a beast.

He's a big fucking tough Russian guy. That's an interesting fight, man. Yeah, Gonzaga, man. Gonzaga, you know, I wonder... He was so scary when he was— Oh, yeah. Gonzaga. I wonder what he's trying to do now.

You know, I wonder if he's just making a living or if he wants to reassess. I mean, how old is he now? I mean— It doesn't say. A guy like Gonzaga, though, like— I've got to say he's 35 or 36, right? This sucks to say say but it's like he's never gonna be champion that's not happening and you can say well that's not necessarily true because look at what are you gonna say mark hunt something like that it's just tough man he's gonna have a hard time for sure

your boy mitrione look really good against him you look great Mitrione's fast and that's the thing like Gonzaga when he gets on the scale You know and Gonzaga steps on the platform when he weighs in it's almost like he's made out of rock Like so dead even the way he moved like Tom So damn boom like even Brock Lesnar didn't make that kind of noise when he got onto this Consolid is so dense. Before I fought him in Anaheim, I remember walking by him, and we were actually supposed to get on the fire as best.

I see him in Starbucks eating two glazed donuts. I was like, God damn. In my mind, I was like, God damn, that's gangster. He didn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. Look at that guy. The right way to approach it, but respect. Fuck it. That Shane Carwin fight. that fight oh my god he was kind of whooping shane's ass and shane said

cool story he caught shane and had him hurt and he moved in for the kill yeah took shane down i was like oh shit then shane got up and just threw like this half ass kind of just like a flick of the wrist just a little and knocked him out well he threw a flick of the wrist, just a little, and knocked him out. Well, he threw a right hand. It was just a little like a. Like a six-inch right hand. Yeah. Shane hit so fucking hard. Oh, my God.

He hit so fucking hard. Yeah, there's like, there's going to be a wave of those guys, man. It's going to take a few years, maybe. You know, these elite wrestlers that are coming up, that are learning how to strike when they're in high school. You know, and they're competing as wrestlers.lers they're going to make it into the UFC the next couple of years especially as the money gets bigger like there's no the money has to get bigger you know there's no doubt that Fabrizio Verdum is like a super talented super skillful guy but the public's consciousness and the awareness of him is not nearly as high as it was when Kane

beat Brock Lesnar. That was the height of the heavyweight division, right, wouldn't you say? And I think it's mainly due because of Brock. Because Kane, Junior Dos Santos, that was awesome. Two superior athletes going at it, but still not the same because of Brock. Yeah, Brock brought some new element. He brought the world wrestling entertainment people. But I think in order to get those

big boys, those freak athletes involved, the money would have to be higher. Gotta come up. You gotta get those football guys who are interested in giving it a shot. I have a kid on the way, and if he's anything like Brock Lesnar, that little bastard's not fighting. You better go get that money in baseball or NFL.

Would you worry about NFL with head collisions and all that shit? Not as much because the juice is worth the squeeze. Not as much as fighting. Right. Because fighting, I mean, like I retired, I got an Instagram post that said, hey, man, congrats, and then like an email. You know what I'm saying? You retire in the NFL. You retire in the NFL, you know, you got some shit coming your way.

So it's just different. Even if you only had like a couple years in? If you have three and a half years or more, you get a stipend every month. You have health insurance. Really? Yeah, you're pretty taken care of. Wow, that's nice. To a certain degree how much you played.

That's nice. Yeah. Yeah, that would be ideal. And book get there? You think so? The UFC will get there. They have to. They have to. You think so? And they know that, yeah ideal if fighters knew. And book get there. You think so? The UFC will get there. They have to. They have to.

You think so? And they know that, yeah. They know that. And this isn't a knock on Dana White or Lorenzo or anything like that. We're just in the, we basically have leather helmets on right now. You know what I'm saying? If you go back, if you compare it to the NFL, they're going to get there. They take all this heat, and even I give them shit, but it's so new, man.

They're trying their best. This stuff does not happen overnight don't you think it almost has to pass through a few generations like maybe uh like what is this sport going to be like 50 years from now when dana's not around anymore i mean when we're not around anymore what is the sport going to be like then like maybe you know when you look back at football football's been around a long fucking time true a long fucking time. A long fucking time. And it's slowly gotten to this point. I think what MMA really needs right now is competition. They need a lot

of competition. And Bellator is just, you're not gonna get there with Dada 5000 and Kimbo Slice. It's just, like, it's a good fight. It'll be fun to watch, I'm sure. Hoist Gracie versus Ken Shamrock 3. Look, they're legends. They deserve legends they deserve

to fight if they want to fight they have earned it and I know that's something that Ken has alluded to he said he earned his right to compete I agree 100% so does Hoyce absolutely 100% they deserve their right to compete but it's not

the same as the UFC right now and until it becomes until someone comes along but it's not the same as the UFC right now. No, it's not that close. And until it becomes, until someone comes along, like Strikeforce kind of almost had it. You know, they were close. Before Strikeforce was owned by the UFC, Fedor was fighting Brett Rogers, and, you know, there was some shit going on.

Debra Melendez. Yeah. They were doing well. There was some shit going on. It was like, whoa, this is pretty goddamn good. It was pretty goddamn good. See, I think the UFC will get there there we just need time on our side the struggle they're gonna have is you know the nfl is dealing with a little bit now with the concussion stuff i think when mma down the road

we're gonna see the concussion it's really then people are like dude what are we doing and the pay's nowhere near so when i say the nfl is worth the squeeze it's because you're taking care of compensation wise so you're yeah you're taking care of compensation-wise. So yeah, you're going to have some fucked up knees and your brain's going to be oatmeal, but in the UFC,

I mean, man, like I said, you get an email and a repost on Instagram. But don't you think that then it's even more important to make sure that someone like Rousey

has enough time, that Ronda has enough time off to recuperate and you mitigate all potential problems that you could have with her getting knocked out again. 100% Joe. I mean, what if this fight takes place, and in the first round, Holly just fucking slams a shin right into Ronda's jaw,

and she stiffens up and just falls straight back like Terry Edom. Remember when Terry Edom, he caught him with that wheel kick, and he just stiffened and fell straight back like Terry Edom. Remember when Terry Edom caught him with that wheel kick? He just stiffened and fell straight back. Bang. The probabilities of that happening are very high. Very high. Well, this is what you have to realize if you've never been hit before. When you get knocked out like that, you can't get hit

for a long time. It's not the same. It takes a while before you build back the resistance to get to the point where you have a baseline. Your baseline is like how you are right now. If you get hit right now, like, wow, it would hurt, but you'd be able to absorb a much better

shot than if you had just gotten a concussion. If you had just gotten a concussion recently and then you get hit again, your brain's like, what the fuck? And we've seen it. We've seen so many guys get knocked out and then come back. A lot of times it happens, I'm going to cut knocked out and then come back a lot of a lot of times It happens. I'm gonna get you off Yeah

But a lot of times that happens in camp like before I fought Rothwell like weeks before Carlin fucked me up man I should and if I was knowledgeable how I am now I'd be like dude I don't know if I should fight this is not good, but my you know back in the day You know this is whatever three four years ago. They're like just no more sparring rest. Well, it's two weeks before the fight. That's really not enough time It's not enough. So then he I mean that's a decent shot, but you know, I've had way worse and he clips me It's you know, it's tough man. Yeah, just shut you off. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well Joe Duffy How about that a week before he was supposed to fight Dustin Poirier? He gets knocked out in camp gets a con. And they have to pull him out.

That's why whenever MMA math people try saying, well, Rockhold, Machida, Machida, Weidman, MMA math does not work for me. Because I know Machida was not ready to fight when he fought Rockhold. I was in his camp. We were like, dude, this is not the Machida we know. So he goes in and destroys him, gets clipped. It's a different Machida.

So that doesn't work for me. So what was wrong with Machida? He just need time off his biggest issue is is he like he'll go right back to sparring We're not talking like light sparring and hitting mitts He goes right back to the dog days of sparring as soon as he's done So, you know he was getting clipped He was having just a rough time and so he just wasn't ready to take that fight So you were watching him train and you knew that something was up. I think everyone did really yeah He was getting clipped. He was having just a rough time, and he just wasn't ready to take that fight. So you were watching him train, and you knew that something was up.

I think everyone did. Really? Yeah. And so now, everyone's like, dude, you need a break. So he's taking a long time off. He fought Munoz. Where was that? In England?

Is that where it was? His first fight at 185? When he head kicked him. Yeah. He looked sensational. They were training together, too. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he looked sensational. They were training together, too. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Yeah, because we were all training together, and then he was like, dude, I got to fight Machida. And everyone was kind of like, ooh, fuck. But if you watch him from that fight to the Machida you see now, it's like, man, a little shopworn. He's had some tough fights. The old Romero fight. But that happens. Yep. That happens, man.

Yeah. That happens. And I think it happened with Kl But that happens. Yep. That happens, man. Yeah. That happens. And like I think happened with Klitschko. I hate going back to boxing. I think it just, whatever reason, it happens that. It's a certain fight where you're like, oh my God, it's not the same guy. Yeah. Oh, fuck, man.

And is it, you know, Jose Al has been on the feed for 10 years. He's been through the ringer. He's fought the best of the best. To me, he's number one pound for pound. There's no one better. You look at his resume. To me, he's number one pound for pound. There's no one better. You look at his resume. To me, he's number fucking one. Now, is Saturday night the time where we see him?

It's like, oh, it's not the same Joe's that we've seen. There's going to come a day. There's going to be a fight unless he retires. See, I think that he is definitely one of the all-time greats, and I think he's definitely one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, Definitely one of the all-time greats, and I think he's definitely one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world. But he doesn't fight with the same sort of dominance that Mighty Mouse does. He'll beat Uriah Faber down.

He crushed his leg and beat him down and knocked out Chad Mendes in their first fight. But if you look at the Ricardo Lamas fight, Lamas had him on his back in the fifth round. He's beating on him. So did Hominick. Yeah, so did Hominick. He fades towards the end. And if you look at the fight with Chad Mendes, that was a fucking very, very close fight, that second fight. Phenomenal fight. Very close fight.

I think 45 is more stacked than Mighty Mouse. Maybe. I think it's more stacked. So he's fighting tougher competition. That's certainly a good argument. However, John Dodson knocked out TJ Dillashaw at 135. He's a fucking monster. He's fast as shit.

Super athletic and dangerous as fucking. Mighty Mouse just shut him down. I agree. I just think over 10 years and he's fought the who's who and beat him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's such a subjective title. Oh, really?

If you want to talk about pound for pound, who's going to rip everyone's face off is Jon Jones. There's no one better than Jon Jones to ever enter the octagon. He's literally going to grab everyone and rip their freaking face off if he wanted to. So that's pound for pound. You think he's going to fight heavyweight now? Yeah, 100%. He's going to go in there. He's going to fight DC.

And he's like, cool, let's fight heavyweight. Yeah. Wow. He's so jacked. What are we doing? He's so jacked. What are we doing? He's so jacked. Like has his shit together. You know, that happens to people when they become like real technical and they're, you know, they're strong, but in a grappling sense.

And then they start lifting weights. Like they get so much because now they have all this ability to do things from technique that's backed up by all this horsepower. Like Eddie Bravo's game changed so hard when he started lifting weights. Like, there was, like, there's Eddie Bravo pre-weights and there's Eddie Bravo post-weights. And they're totally different guys. They're different.

He was just a small guy who had really good technique. And then he got to the point where he was lifting weights, like, a couple days a week, steady for years. He wouldn't stop. He's just like, I got to get stronger. He's like, I'm just battling in the gym constantly with these guys who are bigger and stronger than me. And then as soon as he started putting mass on and he started getting really strong to go with that technique, he was just smashing people. Different animal.

See, Shinkawa and myself are a little different. We spent too much time in the weight room when we should have been doing technique. Right. Like we're in the weight room like spotting each other on the bench. I'm like, God, I feel like we should work on punching and kicking. He's like, you think? I'm like, well, you're huge as fuck as it is. I don't think we're going to get any better squatting all the time.

Especially if you fight a guy like Junior Dos Santos. Like, Junior couldn't lift nearly as much as Shane. But when they got in the cage together, Junior was lighting them up. Because of just boxing technique. Yeah, that's where technique comes into play. That's what it is. It's about getting hit. You want to talk about a fight that should have happened years ago,

Dos Santos over him next week. What do you think about that fight? I mean, Dos Santos was a new camp with ATT, so I think that's good. This fight should have happened a year or two ago. I don't think Junior's ever the same. I think after those two Kane losses and then after that Stipe fight, I mean, what? You want to talk about miles? Brutal fight.

So I don't know, man. Yeah. And then with Overeem with this new drug testing, I mean, what are we going to get? We're going to get the 205 Overeem? What's he going to look like? Right. There's a lot of variables, man. A lot of variables.

A lot of variables, dog. Same with Jose Aldo. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're making the, you might be on steroids face. Well, I'm just saying. Might have been. Maybe he's not. That's the face you're making, though.

You might have been on some shit. Let's say he's not, right? No, let's say he is, but then the strict drug testing comes into play. We're talking about a different animal, man. Oh, yeah. Completely different animal. Not the same guy. That's an X factor for me.

That's a huge X factor. It has to be, but we don't know. We don't know what he was doing and what he wasn't doing. All speculation. 100%. I have no idea. Because he never got tested positive for anything. Never.

And he's an absolute animal. I don't know. But I could say that for anyone. You go through UFC 194, you say that for a lot of guys. It's an X factor. That's interesting, man. We can't know. We can't know who was on water, who was on something and got caught.

There's no way unless people get caught. Yeah, when you get caught, they always say, oh, I didn't know. Someone gave me this diet. Has there ever been a guy who someone actually did give him a protein shake and he drank it? And they're like, oh, yo, dog, I forgot to tell you steroids and that. I didn't have it. Motherfucker, I thought this was chocolate weight. Nah, nah, man, I put steroids in it.

Hey, real quick, just for all the listeners out there, that's never happened. I think it's got to have happened once. People are idiots. There's a lot of idiots in the gym. And then they test positive? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like guys like there, that's never happened. I think it's got to have happened once. People are idiots. There's a lot of idiots in the gym. And then they test positive? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like guys like, I didn't even know what I was taking. This guy was just giving me injects in my ass. He told me it was vitamin C.

It is possible that if you were at a bad gym and you're hanging around with a bunch of fucking morons and they want you to fail and there's dudes that are doing juice, they'll put some juice in your protein drink. Here's the solution. Don't let anybody mix your protein drinks. Fuck no. Especially if some asshole doesn't really like you Here's the solution. Don't let anybody mix your protein drinks. Fuck no. Especially some asshole who doesn't really like you. Yeah, man.

Some crazy guy. Keep it on your shit. But there has to be a guy out there that actually did have someone drop a steroid in his protein drink, and he pissed positive, and he probably tells everybody, and they're like, yeah. Yeah, sure. He's like, no fucking, it actually did happen. Fuck. That would be a bummer.

That would be such a bummer. Bummer. I think I was surprised you'd failed the steroid test. You'd be so freaked out. Like, I can't believe that the actual thing that everybody jokes about really did happen to me. You fucked. Oh, my God.

You know, it's like actually going into a van that says free candy. Is there really free candy in this van? Clunk. Ow. Fuck. You're that guy. Beat you over the head. I'm like, god damn it. How did I fall for that?

This card tomorrow is pretty good. There's a lot of good fights on this card, but the card on Saturday is insane. But the one big fight that's on tomorrow, well, there's a couple big fights besides Frankie Edgar and Chad Mendes, but Barboza and Tony Ferguson, son.

That's a motherfucker. Barboza and Tony Ferguson, son. I love Ferguson in that fight. That's a crazy fight, dude. That's a motherfucker. That is a crazy fight. I just think it's Ferguson's time, man. He's so fucking good.

He's dangerous. Very dangerous. But so is Barboza. I agree. I just feel like Tony just hits like a Mack truck. He does. He does. It's a very interesting fight. Very interesting.

He's gonna have to deal with those fucking leg kicks, though. Goddamn Barboza kicks fast. I don't think it gets out of two rounds. I think Tony stops them in two. Wow. I know, right? That's how much I believe in Tony. I just think 2016 is kind of the year of Tony Ferguson at that weight. Strong statement. Brendan Shaw going out on a limb here.

I'll tell you what, man. You're making predictions. You're making a strong prediction. I know. Sometimes it backfires like a motherfucker. Barbeau's a monster. He is a monster. That Paul Felder fight, that switch kick that he was landed to Felder's ribs.

I've never seen anything like it. Fastest I've ever seen. I agree. Just never seen anything like it. It was like a 110-pound Thai guy. You know, like you watch those Muay Thai champions, those flyweight dudes that are just like lightning bolts. That's like what kind of speed he was dropping that switch kick in. bolts, that's like what kind of speed he was dropping that switch kick in.

I remember like literally I had to like readjust my metric when I was judging it, like watching what's a fast kick and what's not a fast kick. His kick was so much faster than anybody else's that I had to readjust like what I thought was a fast kick. He's going to land some of those. I just think Tony's going to counter and end the night. Well, Michael Johnson gave him a lot of pressure and Barboza had a real hard time with that but correct me if I'm wrong I believe Barboza was traveling back and forth from Florida to New Jersey to train with Mark Henry while that was going on now he lives down there correct that'll make a big impact different animal and that's what we saw

in the fight with Paul Felder we saw like the best version of Barboza we've ever seen. The most focused, the fastest, the best prepared. If he's with Mark Henry, I'm telling you, man, I spent maybe four weeks with Mark Henry, I've never seen anything like it. The reason, maybe just because he's Frank Yeager's guy and Edwin Barboza, he doesn't get a lot of notoriety like a Frost or Greg Jackson.

I'm telling you, man, it's some another level shit, man. Really? I'm telling you, we worked. He was like, let me see you move around. And he had this guy hold mitts for me. And he filled out a fucking notepad of about six pages long, front and back. Just all this shit. And he was obsessed with it.

Texting me. me caught voicemails with where he's like just listen to him you don't respond just listen and there's all these combos i was like holy fuck if if someone can if you spent a lot and you see edwin barboza and you see freaking frankie edgar how talented these guys are and now chris weidman brought mark henry in to help with the rockhold fight. Really? And that was the X factor for me. That's what pushes you over the top, Weidman over Rockhold? It did, and I thought Rockhold was going to win earlier in the week.

And I've been listening, and then Mark Henry says he's working with Weidman. I was like, oh, hell no. Really? So it was just Mark Henry coming in as a trainer that made you switch over? I was this close. I was this close to picking Weidman or Rockhold. And then just, I don't know, I'm with Weidman. Wow.

That's interesting. That shows you, that's a pretty serious level of respect for Mark Henry. Dude, I've worked with Firas. And those are the best in the business. Lester Boland, Greg Jackson, all these phenomenal coaches Tony Jeffries, all these guys I've never seen anything like Mark Henry. The amount of time as soon as I heard he's on board I was like, ah fuck. You're talking about another level

What do you think about his style as opposed to the style that Bang is showing T.J. Dillshaw, which is a lot of switching of the stances a lot of variations in the approach and the attack where you're constantly overloading the mind. You never know what a guy's going to do.

What do you think of that? I think Bang's style works for one guy in the world. For T.J.? Yep. What about what it's doing for Danny Castillo? Danny Castillo's looking fantastic. He's not looking like T.J. He's looking better.

For him, well, first of all, they came in at different levels of striking. I agree. I'm just saying. Especially kicking-wise. I agree. He looks better. But I think for that obsessive style and for what TJ does, they're the perfect combo. Right.

It does not get any better than that. So you think it's a style-makes-trainer matchup? Yes, 100%. Yes. Try and listen to, well, you won't be there they fight on Friday night you're not doing the fight but if you can listen to Mark Henry when he's coaching Frankie Edgar I think he has a towel on he's sweating and he's that they have different language every time they're very different variables

every time it's never the same so nobody could get it no one can get it it's literally like a video game a BBB see a B, B, C, A, B, B, C, and he's doing the thing. It's like a fucking video game. Wow. I've never seen anything like it, man. Wow. Very interesting. And you see, he's just a striking guy, right?

Just striking. So who does the transitions between the striking and the grappling? How do they orchestrate that in the training? Yeah, I know Weidman has his whole camp with Ray Longo and Matt Serr and all that, so they all come together. And then, dude, I've heard stories about Weidman has his whole camp with Ray Longo and Matt Serra and all that. So they all come together. And then, dude, I've heard stories about Weidman. I don't think people realize how strong Weidman is. I've heard him just molly whopping heavyweights, just destroying dudes.

And Weidman, when I break down the tape, he just has this X factor that I don't think Luke has. Granted, Luke's gone five rounds more. A lot of people don't realize that. Luke's gone five rounds in Strike Wars. Doc Ray, Tim Kennedy beat both of them. Great grapplers. But I just think Wyman has this X factor that it's hard to gauge. You can't put a number

on it, if that makes sense. I know it sounds weird. Rockhold thinks he's going to be able to stay on the outside and have success the way Anderson did in the first round of the first fight and Vitor did in that opening flurry of that, the fight that they had. And he thinks he's going to be able to do some damage there. If you look at that fight, the Vitor fight,

where Vitor had Weidman stunned, he nailed him a couple times, and then Vitor moved in for the kill, but Vitor just didn't have the stamina. He just couldn't sustain it, and then he didn't have the defense on the ground. Weidman took him down and just fucked him up. It was just a beat down. As soon as Weidman shot that

double, got to hold those legs tight, dropped him down, total control of the ground and just beat the shit out of him. I don't think he'll be able to do that the same way to Rockhold. I think Rockhold's going to be a much harder guy to take down and a much harder guy to keep down. I think Rockhold's got a way better wrestling camp with DC

and Kane and Rockhold's just shown really good takedown defense in the past. I agree. Makes it makes it tricky. I think that fight gets super interesting if Rockhold uses his height and reach in kicking. He's a really good kicker. Phenomenal kicker. Phenomenal left kick. What is his fucking background besides wrestling? Surfing. But where did he learn how to kick like that? Really? He was surfing and he was bullshitting around. I know he did some judo when he was young. He didn't have a karate background or anything?

No, and then walked into AK when he was super young. How old was he? I think 17. Okay, so Javier has been kind of coaching him from the beginning, huh? So, I mean, Rockhold, I think, will get his kicks off. And that's a, I mean, just keep that distance. I just feel like Weidman's going to get him down. And Weidman, this is the X factors. Weidman also is a phenomenal grappler, man.

He's been training with Marcelo Garcia forever. I mean, he's a stud on the ground. I think AK's overlooking that. I think they're worried about the striking. They're worried about the pressure and all that. And they think Rockwell thinks he's going to take it down, pop up. I get that. Weidman's a motherfucker down there.

He controlled Vitor Belfort on the ground like you've never seen. Literally, he's so heavy on top, man. Well, Donaher's his guy, too, and Donaher's the master. He's a real wizard. He's so smart, too. He's a guy that when you have that guy in your corner, there's a distinct advantage when it comes to strategy. And if you're training with him on a regular basis,

he doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't make mistakes in assessment or execution. He knows what to do and when to do it and how to do it right. He just knows. He's not weighed down by stupid ideas. To me, it's the best fight in middleweight history. Two guys just in their prime, man. I have no idea who's going to win.

I can see these guys fighting two or three times, talking about a trilogy. Well, it really all depends on the result of the first fight. True. So, like, a lot of people thought that could have been the case with Vitor and Weidman, but Weidman just smashed him. True. If Weidman can do that to Rockhold, then the whole game changes. But do you think Weidman needs, like, a breakout performance in order to achieve order to achieve a higher level of stardom?

Something has to happen for people to recognize how great he is. Let's say Weidman goes in there and knocks him out in the first round, but then Conor McGregor goes in and knocks Jose Aldo out in three rounds. We're not talking about Weidman. He gets honeydicked again. You know what I'm saying? He's honeydicked again. My bad, dog.

Maybe next time. Because we're not talking about Weidman. It's true. All we're talking about is Conor Aldo yeah that's all we're talking about and it's all trash talk it's the trash talk the trash talk because on paper both of them are equally intriguing but the trash talk of of Conor has pushed the whole thing way over the top as far as like wanting to see it's like wow but it's kind of it's kind of calmed down because of the injury and there's been this delay because when on that world tour i was like holy this is insane dude i think conor mcgregor mind hoseldo not really anymore i don't know about all that i don't think so i don't think it's as bad this time i think it's still in his head it doesn't matter we don't know what the reaction that is going to be some guys the worst you can

do is get him riled up. Well, if you look at Jose Aldo's past, any time a guy brings a fight to him, he gets fucked up. If Jose Aldo, if it's super respectful and he gets a head on you, he coasts. He takes rounds off, he coasts. We've seen it, man. But I think Conor McGregor, he bit off all he can chew, man, because Jose Aldo, when you're bringing the fight to him,

you get one hell of a Jose Aldo. We look at Mendes-Jose too. What? To me, that's one of the greatest fights ever. It's going to be interesting to see what approach Aldo takes. Because what if Aldo comes out southpaw? Then shit gets interesting. Because one of the benefits that Conor has is that he fights southpaw.

He's got a nasty right hand. True. He throws almost like disdainful half speed kicks and he uses your positioning judging you to set up other things and then he mixes those half speed kicks up with very fast techniques spinning kicks and things along those lines that front kick the body and then he'll throw like a disdainful roundhouse kick almost like daring you to try to counter it so he can look to drop that left hand in on you he does a lot of interesting shit as far as like varying his rhythm and his approach and his movement his you. He does a lot of interesting shit as far as like varying his rhythm and his

approach and his, his movement, his long wide stance. It just a lot of shit. That's hard to, to judge. But if Aldo immediately initiates grappling, this is something that I don't think people have been thinking of.

That's exactly what I was going to say. Fucking nasty on the ground. Nasty. World champion. Yeah, he's like, he beat Cobrina in straight jiu-jitsu. Okay? So if Aldo just clinches and drags that fight to the ground very early in the fight. Look, we saw in the Conor, with Conor and Chad Mendes.

Chad took him down and held him down and was landing some nasty ground and pound with essentially no camp. I mean, two weeks, which is like your weight cutting. You don't have any cardio. It's just like you're not going to improve in two weeks. Because the last week is all just about recovery anyway. So he's got like seven days to work out for Conor for a fucking world title fight while he's doing all this press. Aldo's got all the time in the world. He's got all the time in the world.

And he is a monster on the ground. That's his background. His background is not striking. His background is jiu-jitsu. So to me, and you hit it right on the head, no one's talking about it. No one's talking about that. Jose's going to grapple him because Conor's hard to figure out, especially early in the rounds.

He's doing all these weird angles. It's like, fuck, man, what am I going to do? He's going to grapple him. That's what I think. And he's a stud athlete too. Freak. He can get a hold of you and drags you to the ground, and what am I going to do? He's going to grapple him. That's what I think. And he's a stud athlete, too. Freak. He can get a hold of you and drags you to the ground,

and all of a sudden he's got your back, and he's fucking blasting you with punches and elbows. It could get real weird. Because if I'm watching the Mendes fight, I think especially that first round when Mendes kept taking him down, Jose Camp is going, all right, this is what we're going to do, and then let's get it staying in the third, fourth, fifth round. Start teeing off. Here's looking at it another way.

Conor comes in like a serpent with all his slippery movement. And he drops one of those fucking piston left hands in on Jose's chin. Then shit gets real weird real quick. That could happen too. I agree. Blam! He lands one of those fucking corkers on him and starts talking shit to him and gets in front

of his face. Jose's never been a fight at this magnitude. No. Never. Never with the shit talking. The shit talking changes everything. The shit talking and all the eyes on this fight and the pressure. He's been champ forever. He's been undefeated for 10 years. He's never been in this kind of fight. No.

Not even close. He's gotten a lot of attention in Brazil. Like the first Chad Mendes fight was a giant victory for him in Brazil. Ran out to the audience. Was cheering with them. They held up the flag. Different animal. It's a different thing. And I also, Jose will get hit.

He'll go straight back and he does get hit. We see Chad Mendes in other fights where he gets hit. He's not elusive. He's not like Mighty Mouse. If you get hit by Conor McGregor, the game is over. He hits like a fucking Mack truck. Yeah. He snaps those punches in.

He's big too, man. And he mixes shit up real good with uppercuts and straight punches and he comes at different angles. He gets unpredictable with his movements when he's in close. Like if you look at his fight with Marcus Brimage, that beautiful combination that he landed

to take Brimage out. And how good does his Max Holloway win look now? Yeah, exactly. And he did that with a fucked up knee. Yeah, he jacked his knee in the first round. So there's a lot going on in that fight. There's a lot going on in that fight. What?

And I think after, let's say, Conor wins that fight, his toughest matchups are looming. They're waiting for him. Well, Tony Ferguson's already called him out. Tony's like, come on up to 155, bitch. This might be his last fight at 45, too. Most likely will be with the IV. Donald wants to fight him, too. Of course.

That's a fucking fight, son. Pettis. Well, Donald shouldn't be thinking about anything but the 18th. That's going to be a tough one. That's a tough one. It's a tough one. Rooting for my boy, Cerrone. I am, too.

I'm also rooting for Dos Anjos. That's the fucking problem with being a commentator. You got to fucking root on everybody. Not me! Like, as a human being, I'm way closer to Donald. Donald's my friend. But when I watch those two fight, I'm a fan of martial arts. Yeah, you're a professional.

But when I watch those two fight, I'm a fan of both those guys. Me too. I'm a Rafael dos Anjos fan. That motherfucker is a beast. That beatdown that he put on Pettis, the way he did it. He's the nicest guy in the world, too. He's the best. The nice guy.

When I was fighting, and I never forget this stuff. Anytime guys go out of their way to be nice to me, I never forget it. When I was in Brazil for a press conference before I fought Nogueira, it's like, whatever, 14 weeks before the fight. You know, Brazilians aren't exactly a big Brown fan when you're fighting the biggest guy in the fucking city. No one's doing me favors. And Dos Anjos gave me rides everywhere. Really?

Took me to gyms, made sure I was cool. That's awesome. Made sure where to eat. He was great, man. He's a great dude. I always like talking to him. He's always a very friendly guy. But then, you know, Cowboy and I are from Denver, same team.

Cowboy's my boy. Yeah. No, I get it. So it's tough, man. I'm always biased. Don't like talking to him. He's always a very friendly guy. Cowboy and I are from Denver. Same team. Cowboy's my boy. Yeah. No, I get it. So it's tough, man. I'm always biased. Don't ever get it twisted. Whenever I make picks, I'm always biased. Yeah.

I feel you. I like this fight as a martial artist because as someone who looks at the problems that both guys present, I like this fight because the physicality of Dos Anjos is something that guys have to deal with. He's worked real hard on his conditioning and his strength and conditioning routine he's he trains with that nick kursan guy yeah he's a marv marinovich's disciple they do some wild crazy explosive plyometric shit they do a lot of like strength shit and a lot of it about just just reducing the amount of time it takes you to act and and to perform your actions just getting it down just

fractions of a second just fractions of a second constantly Exploding constantly moving there's all sprints and box jumps and that kind of shit if you watch like some of his the the training modalities It's really fascinating to watch all these different techniques. They apply all these weird flexibility things. He does. That's cool Oh, he does a lot of wild shit man. I uh the one thing I don't like is how much time Cowboy's had off. Cowboy likes to go and go, and that's when he's at his best. When you give him a lot of time off and he has to think about the fights, that's usually trouble.

Yeah. But Cowboy's a motherfucker, man. He's so dangerous. He's got a lot of momentum right now. He's got a lot of momentum. You know, and he's a really fucking tough guy. He takes a good shot. They don't get any tougher than that's Ronnie

He takes a good shot, and he's really fucking sneaky with his Muay Thai very sneaky and off his back man I'm telling you his x-factor off his back. I've rolled with cowlitz like Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, he's very slick off his back It's one of the best things about being a kickboxer It has a really good guard game because you don't worry about getting taken down. Because you're very offensive off your back. Unless you're fighting Dos Anjos, who's a phenomenal grappler, black belt, who does not give a fuck about your guard. Who's also strong as shit. Yes.

Like you saw that Nate Diaz fight. He just ragdolled Nate Diaz. And just brutalized that leg, too, with those leg kicks. It's going to be interesting to see if he decides to stand with Donald, like how he decides to approach it. He's so fucking fast. That was the thing that got me in the Pettis fight, like how fast he is to engage and fast he is to execute.

He's like, right there, right there, right there, bang! Like he put tremendous pressure on Pettis right from the beginning, and Pettis doesn't like that. Pettis likes you to stand on the outside and give him time to get his timing. Well, strikers do. Like, Barbosa loves that. Exactly. Yeah.

A lot of them like that. And the way to beat those guys a lot of time is that kind of pressure. Get in their face. And Donald had a hard time with Nate in their first fight, or their fight, rather, because Nate put a lot of pressure on him in the first round, and there was a lot of shit talking. Yep. I think he got emotionally invested in that shit talking a little too much. You want to talk about leg kicks?

We didn't even talk about this. I hate to go back to it, but Jose Aldo has a motherfucker for a kick. What? Horrible. And you've got to remember, Conor has that wide stance. Yep. Yep, he does. That's a game fact, because you land four of those leg kicks.

We're talking about a different night. Yep. And he's also, we're assuming that Conor's going to fight southpaw and that jose is going to fight orthodox we're assuming and if he does do that then it opens him up for that inside leg kick for sure that's a um that's a powerful technique and it also head kicks and jose's not been a head kick kind of a guy but connor is you know and when if connor is in that position he's in the the strong leg back position, and Jose's opened in the orthodox position.

So what I'm saying, folks, if you don't know what we're talking about, if someone fights a southpaw, it means they have their right foot forward. Orthodox, the way most boxers fight, they have their left leg forward. When Conor has his right leg forward, the inside of his leg, which is a very sensitive, soft, tender area, he gets opened up for those inside leg kicks. It'll slow your game down. You land a couple of those world-class kicks, it'll slow your game down.

Yeah, but I mean, I kind of think that Conor's anticipated that, and he's probably going to, you know, time his movement. And then also you look at, like, that was the kick that did in Anderson because Weidman checked it. And Weidman checked it perfectly and snapped Anderson's leg. So there's that possibility too. If they go shin to shin a couple of times, whoo. I've never been more excited for a fight card since Saturday night.

It's stunning. Spectacular. It's so good in so many ways. Can I hate on one of the fights on the card, Joe, real quick? Please do. Gunnar Nelson, Damian Maia, I think is there. How dare you? Snoozefest 3000.

I know. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I hope i'm wrong every other fight on that card is ridiculous i think just style wise i just don't see that being fun you look at their previous wins gunner nelson's really finishes our decision his finishes are only by submission you ain't submitting damian that ain't happening then his other ones are decision damian maya is either submission or decision. Imagine if Gunnar did submit Damian Maia. Imagine that. It'd be sick. Can you imagine if he could do that? It'd be so sick.

Is it possible? I'm a fan. Is it possible that Damian could submit Gunnar? I don't even know if that's possible. I agree. Well, the thing is, we talk about Gunnar Nelson's background in jiu-jitsu. He's the far cry from Damian Maia. Don't get twisted, people.

As far as, you know, celebrated, true, traditional jiu-jitsu, Damian Maia's a motherfucking monster. Absolutely. 100%. As far as achievements. Yes. But when you look at what Gunnar Nelson has done, like, he's an elite grappler. He really is. He beat Jeff Monson, son.

Yes. He did. What? Dominated him. Yes. And he's also small for the division, which is where it gets interesting, because Damian Wyatt is large for the division. Damian cuts a lot of weight, and this will be his first time doing it without an IV.

Oh, see all these X factors, son? The other thing is, Damian Wyatt, he's not exactly Lance Armstrong in the cardio department. So you want to talk about submissions, later in the round, there's going to be one. It's probably going to be Nelson. Well, and with no IV, he could even be more weakened by this weight cut. So you want to talk about submissions later in the round there's gonna be one it's probably gonna be Nelson Well and with no IV he could even be more weakened by this weight cut. Yeah, it's a factor How about Susan Romero? We didn't talk about that? Jacare is fighting Yoel Romero. Well, first of all

Yoel Romero has the best body that has ever walked on earth like He is cheat up. Who looks better than that? That's a superhero. He's a superhero. That's a superhero. That's fucking Aquaman. That's Spider-Man. Straight up. That's Superman.

Straight up. Look at that build. That shit's ridiculous. And Jacare's a fucking savage too, man. Jacare's bicep is like three inches longer than a normal bicep. It goes to the middle of his forearm. He was born to choke people. He was literally born to choke people. He was literally born

to choke people unconscious. It's going to be interesting to see if Yoel can avoid the submissions if it goes to the ground. It's going to be interesting because Yoel's such an elite wrestler.

I mean, his wrestling is outstanding. You know what? It's outstanding, but he's been taken down the octagon by inferior guys. It's because he doesn't give a fuck.

Because he just gets right back up. You're not getting right back up on Jock, right? No. No, no, no. He's not going to have that approach. You're not getting right back up on Jacare. No, no, no, no. He's not going to have that approach. That's a fucking tough one to call. He's going to be much more conservative, I think, in his approach as far as his attacks.

But he's got so much faith in that fast twitch muscle fiber, too. Because he drops those fucking fast shots on you. So does Souza, though. So does Jacare. What the fuck, son? Especially now, the Yushin Okami fight, when Jacare unloaded on Okami. What, are you worried about my jiu-jitsu? What?

How about worried about knuckle sandwiches? Knuckle sandwich, son. I think someone's getting dropped. That's a wild fight. I think he ends up on the feet and someone's going to land a bomb. You know what gets me? I almost wish that Yoel, it's like, I almost wish he was fighting for the title now. Because I feel like he's 36. He's 36.

Time is not on his side. No, especially not with this kind of testing. Yeah. Time is not on his side. Testing ain't doing him any favors. And he has injuries. You know, he's back. They were supposed to fight before. Well, he's had his neck operated on. Of course. He's got a big slice in the back of his neck. You see him when he steps on

the scale at the weigh-ins where he had disc surgery. I don't know what they did. I don't know if they fused it. He don't wrestle for that long without having some issues. Kale Sanderson twice. Yeah. He's a monster. I mean, he's maybe one of the greatest amateur wrestlers to ever come out of Cuba.

He's just a freak, man. A monster wrestler. He eats shots, though, and he's not exactly a cardio machine either. Nope. And he's got to be real careful about how he explodes and how he paces himself. I mean, these are two fucking kegs of dynamite going after each other. Two different approaches. Goddamn, that's a good fight.

Whoa! We're not even talking about Uriah Faber. Uriah Faber's on this card. No one's even brought it up. Yeah, they just have him on the card just in case Aldo didn't show up. Yep, that's exactly what it is. Let's get real here, everybody. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. I probably gave him on the card just in case Aldo didn't show up. Yep. Let's be real. Let's get real here, everybody. That's exactly what it is.

Yeah. I probably gave him a good stipend. Yeah, he's on the card. Stay in shape. Yeah, do your thing, you're right. Do you know Frankie Saenz? Not really. S-A-E-N-Z.

How do you pronounce it? Saenz? Saenz? Saenz? It's not good if we don't know his name. Well, if he wins, it's good for him. Yeah. If he wins for him, it's gigantic for him.

Jeremy Stevens and Max Holloway. It's another fucking bang-up fight, too. Nobody's bringing it up. Dude, I'm impressed with Holloway, man. Fuck yeah, man. That Cub Swanson fight opened up a lot of people's eyes. They were like, whoa. And this kid's only like 24.

He's young, talented. Fucking dude's up. What's he won? Five in a row? Seven in a row since losing to Conor? Five, probably? He's won quite a few and looks better every single time he's inside the octagon. Hey, Stevens, for sure, let's not suck in our gut like that when we

take a picture, though. Can't do that. It's obvious. Caught him out of camp for photos. It's obvious. I've been there. It's like, god damn it. And you know this shit's gonna be on the promos and shit. I would've tanned and did some fucking push-ups. Yeah.

Jeremy Stevens has some fucking dynamite in his hands. He has dynamite. And his kicks, too. When he knocked out Honey Jason, that head kick. Nasty. That was a flatliner, son. He's almost like the Rumble Johnson of this weight class. You know what I'm saying?

Like, he is just a fucking ball of knockout. Yeah. But then I just think Holloway, he's too good. He has too many tools to win. We'll see. I like it. I like that fight. I like it a lot.

That whole card. I think Jeremy Stevens, you zig when you should have zagged. You fuck up. You make a mistake. Oh, it's over. Yeah. He'll shut the fucking lights out on you. That Dennis Bermudez fight, how about that?

How about that fight? Bermudez is a motherfucker. Bermudez fight, how about that? How about that fight? Bermudez is a motherfucker. Bermudez was looking good in that fight, too. Jeremy Stevens dropped the bomb on him. He can do that, man, and he holds that power deep into the third round, too. You've got to remember, also, he knocked out the champ. He knocked out Dos Anjos. That's right.

People forget that. I don't forget it. He knocked out Dos Anjos at 55 and then dropped down to 45. Feels like he's got a better shot at 45. I wonder how many guys are going to continue to try to compete at 45 with this IV ban. Not many. Yeah, I wonder how Jeremy's going to do, because I think this will be his first fight without the IV as well. Well, think about Aldo and McGregor, too.

McGregor's some motherfucker for them to get down. You look at McGregor when he's on that scale, it's like, dead man walking. Yeah, like a horrible stomach disease or something. If McGregor knocks out Aldo, is he the biggest star in the UFC?

Yeah. Yeah, he's the biggest. 100%. He's the biggest right now. You think? I mean, Ronda's the biggest, but she's not because she's not the champ.

He's the champ. They will have parades for him in Ireland. I'll have parades for him in Ireland. I'll have a parade for him. Yeah, but you have to understand the level of champ, like their level of love that he gets is so, like women like looked at Ronda like this new thing. There's this new thing that never existed before.

This beautiful female combat sports champion who's totally dominant. But Ireland has a long history of combat sports athletes. And right now, Conor McGregor is as big as anyone that's ever been. And if he beats Aldo and he smashes Aldo, the way he talks and his charisma, the way he dresses, his whole package, the whole thing, there's no one like him. They will have a goddamn parade for him in Ireland and he will be the biggest star MMA has ever seen. He will eclipse Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey together.

He's going to be the fucking Mac Daddy. You know, the thing about Conor, too. That's a big if, right? It's a big if. It's a big if. It's a fucking if, man. I think the UFC needs it. I think the UFC needs him to win so bad.

Nope. Nope. I disagree. I disagree. Conor, if Conor gets knocked out dead by Jose Aldo, then Aldo looks even Nope. Nope. I disagree. I disagree. If Conor gets knocked out dead by Jose Aldo, then Aldo looks even better. Okay. Aldo looks even better, and then next people want to see Aldo

fight someone else. Who? Frank Jaeger again? I don't ever look at it in terms of like, what would be the best result for the... Oh, I do all the time. I don't. I want martial arts. That's what I want. I'm with you, Joe. That's all great, but we're in the... I want exchanges. I want martial arts. That's what I want. I'm with you, Joe. That's all great. I want exchanges. I want to figure out what's the best style.

Is it this long stance with these crazy weird movements and throwing in traditional martial arts techniques? Or is it hard Dutch style with fucking world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu? We know that works. He's been winning for 10 years. But does it work against Conor? What if Conor fucking spinning back kicks him in the liver five seconds into the fight like he did with Chad? Then we got the biggest fighter of all time.

Wild shit. But the thing is, if I'm a businessman, not as a martial artist, if I'm a businessman, Conor winning is the golden ticket. Oh, yeah. By far. And it's the long play, too. Because Jose, he's not going to be around that much longer.

Right, but there's never been a guy like Conor before, and the UFC's been fine. Like, you don't—it's not necessarily the best thing for the sport. Oh, no, they're going to be fine. Dana's still Scrooge McDuck. I'm not saying that, son. I'm not saying he goes broke. But I don't even think it's— I'm just talking about getting new heights.

I don't think so. Look at this. Yes! Scrooge McDuck doing the backstroke through a sea of gold. Fucking love that guy. I just never thought about it until you started bringing up Scrooge McDuck. I never thought about that cartoon. It's random as fuck.

Whenever you talk about money, like, I ain't Scrooge McDuck. I'm like, that's right, Scrooge McDuck, he had a lot of money. Ballin', son. I think this fight, for martial artists, this fight is like the ultimate who knows. It's like the ultimate. The Weidman fight as well. They're both ultimate who knows. The only difference being that we saw Weidman get wheel kicked in the head by Vitor. We saw that.

You saw Rockhold get wheel kicked. Oh, did I say Weidman? I'm sorry. Yeah, we saw Rockhold get knocked out by Vitor's wheel kick in the first round. That's the only variable. That was mutant Vitor, though. It was mutant Vitor. I missed that. Me too.

You know, there's part of me that all this... Look, I'm very torn on TRT Vitor, obviously. Very torn. Because as a person who enjoys TRT myself, I got in with some benefits of that stuff. You can't have that, though, man. No, you can't, but why not? I get it.

Because Bisbing's left eye is why not. Yes, you're right. But okay, that was a shot that landed. Are we absolutely sure that that shot was landed because of TRT? I mean, that's the thing with TRT. If I can throw a spinning back kick 100 times naturally, I take TRT, I can throw it 1,000 times. Yeah. 100% it's helped me throw that back kick.

Especially if you can achieve hyperhuman levels and maintain them. So that's what people, I don't think, totally understand about this argument about TRT. So all you have to do, when they're talking about, like, the dosage, dosage varies for every athlete that takes it. But what they want to do is maintain a high normal right so high normal is like 800 this would be the number that they would look for in your blood test 100 to a thousand right yeah well all right it's very rare you get to a thousand very it's like super real like African dudes who eat elephant meat and fucking kill lions with sticks those guys might hit a thousand natural Jesus Christ

Super fucking genetic spell like like Yoel Romero There probably some times in his life where he's at a thousand, but most people you have to be like some super stud You know there just doesn't it barely exists out there. They're out there. They're out there. There's outliers right this He's like fuck like those Iceland dudes those gigantic power like the mountain yeah Obviously probably does some fucking Mexican supplements. Yeah, I believe what but even on top of that You deal with Mexican supplements on top of a super human guy a gigantic Seven-foot tall gorilla man, then you're the man. Yeah, you're the mountain right so When you're in camp

like this is one of the things that wide moon was yelling at vitor because when vitor's blood work came back from camp there's a guy that had been taken off of trt got on trt because his testosterone was low but when he's in camp training for wide men they test his testosterone it's three times higher than wide men's why was it three he's at twelve and everyone's like what the fuck you know or was it four times so he's Who knows who knows what's going on? Who would he got away with it whatever it is either he figured out a way to get his testosterone up naturally or he figured Out a way to do it not get caught But when you're a guy like Weidman, who's a young guy, who's doing

it by the book and doing it totally not you, your body gets broken down by training and it takes some serious mental power, some serious willpower to keep pushing through. When you're a guy who's taking that TRT, all you have to do is maintain that high normal. So you might, if your workouts are brutal and they're breaking your body down, you gotta bang, revitalize that bitch. And he might be taking giant doses several times a week. For sure. And if he's doing that, he's operating at a level that a normal human being just can't. Can't train that much. It doesn't mean if you're 19, doesn't matter if you're 45, you can't do it.

You know what the thing is, though? Granted, TRT does help and all that. You still have to put in the work. 100%. He's still putting in the fucking work, you idiots. 100%. People are like, oh, Barry Bonds. He can hit a bit.

No, you take all the steroids you want and try hitting that many home runs. Exactly. No, they still have so much talent, man. You have to have all the above. You do. You have to have the talent, and that's what Vitor had. But there's a thing that happened where he had this crazy confidence because of that shit. Yes.

It's a different kind of confidence. It's just a different person. He was a different person in those fights. There's a lot of guys like that. Overeem, when he fought Brock, I mean, what the fuck? Oh, my God. That was terrifying. It made me not want to fight anymore. 265 shredded. I looked, what the fuck? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was terrifying. It made me not want to fight anymore.

265 shredded. I looked at his arm. I looked at his. And then I looked at his. I was like, fuck this, man. And Brock just couldn't fucking take him down. Pull that fight up. Find that fight.

See if you can find that fight online. Overeem versus Brock. He would finish third or fourth in Olympia, probably. Wouldn't it be great if there was no testing? Just so you could see that guy. I don't know if it would. I don't you could see that i don't know if it was i don't know man i don't know i don't know because then you're talking about who has the best doctor i know but i mean okay like when ovary fought bad or harry do you think bad or harry was clean

i love bad harry i hate to throw him under the bus i hate to as well so let's just leave it at that. They were all doing it, though. I mean, K-1 is a different kind of an environment, you know, and I think those guys have been, you know, there's guys in Holland that have been caught, so here's over him. Just look at the size of him. Look at those traps, son. And he's coming out with a low stance, too. Hey, look how bad Brock's stance is.

Brock's throwing leg kicks. He's throwing leg kicks and doing like some Jeet Kune Do hand techniques. He's trying to jab. A quick jab. He doesn't know what to do. He doesn't know what to do. He's got this guy coiled up in front of him.

Ooh, and over him just barely missed a hand maker overhand right. I don't think anyone beats that over him. That's the scariest guy maybe ever in the octagon. Low stance. Low stance. Good luck taking him down. He also could take a shot when he was juiced up like this. Fuck yes.

God damn it. Look at the amount of mass he was carrying then as compared to now. Look at this strategy. Look, here's the takedown defense. Nothing. Brock gets a single. Not even close. Brock just couldn't complete the single.

That's so crazy. He's got a hold of that single, and he couldn't go a goddamn thing about it. Brock is mixed up with the stand-up, though, here. Yeah. Well, for him, that's pretty good, but it's the ferocious fucking power that Overeem has. It's always looming. See? It's looming.

He's keeping him at bay. He's cut. You will never see two freaks like this in the octagon ever again. Oh, boom. There's that knee to the body. There's another one. Oh, son. Then the kick. Brock's trying to keep him up, but he's already hurt.

He goes, oh, you have a bad gut? That's cool. Check this out. He's throwing some good jabs. Yeah, he really is. But it's just over him. Over him's cut already. He got cut over his right eye.

That flat top ain't helping nobody. Come on. It looks beautiful. I like it. Oh, those nasty fucking uppercuts here's that knee to the body oh that already him up and then he kicks him and here comes the kick the kick was nasty he throws that kick right under that right arm you're never you're never gonna see too muscular oh he hit him with that right kick he there's a left kick that he lands in this

fight that i remember watching like three or four times in a row. Like, ooh, that one. That one wasn't a good one. Dude, I loved watching Brock fight. God damn, Overeem looked good back then. Jesus. Different animal now, isn't he? Jesus.

Yeah, I mean, it makes you think like, I get it. I mean, I'm not really saying that guys should be able to. There it is. It's a knee, actually. I'm sorry. Boom. Boom. I'm not saying that guys should be able to do whatever. There it is's a knee, actually. I'm sorry. Boom. Boom. I'm not saying that guys should be able to do whatever... There's the kick. There's that left kick.

Yep. Boom. The one that went right under the armpit. I'm not saying that a guy should be able to do whatever they want. Just pull it back to that left kick to the body again. Just one more time. I want to see that. You know what the thing is, though, Joe? You also got to chop it up. This is a few years ago, too. Overeem has miles on him man boom spot in k1 pride UFC his miles on him

Oh, yeah, 100% but I think that's what all just TRT I think one of the things that TRT does is take those miles off a few months I think takes a lot off if you do enough and I think that's what we saw with Vitor Well here it is man this fucking he lands his right knee first and hurts him And then he lends that left kick to the body look where his right hand is when he leaves this boom then watching Is that me him up? He's hurting him now what here. This is this is got a lot of watches. Oh, ma'am. Oh god right underneath just shin to the gut and that's right where after he had that surgery for

diverticulitis Had a big chunk of his colon removed or his intestines removed rather. I'm a big Brock fan I like both those guys big Brock fan though But over him then in that fight boy we had a lot of options Good like there's so many good fights for that guy's the best Seeing him against jr. Or him against Kane or him again. There were so many fights fights for that guy. He's the best. Seeing him against Junior or him against Kane. There were so many fights we could have seen him. He's the best, man.

It's interesting how different a guy becomes when you take that stuff away from him. I mean, it is the ultimate proving ground for testosterone. It's the ultimate proving ground. Fighting is for sure. Yes. Watching the difference between these guys and what they can pull off when they're on it and when they're not. I mean, I'm sure you can see a difference in football players. But the difference is you're not seeing them to a finish in a particular contest against another human being.

We get to see their movements. Like you see a guy sprinting on the field. You can see a guy making good plays. You can see a guy being energetic and pulling off. making good plays. You could see a guy being energetic and pulling off. But you're not seeing them in a sustained environment for five minutes at a time, three five-minute rounds, and watching their movements and analyzing them against another human being.

I agree. It's very, like in fighting steroids, it's very black and white. I think it's very clear whether someone's on it. Very clear. Well, it's hard to say. I'm not saying, I can't look at a guy and go, he's taking it. But if, like, Vitor. Right right like when he fought what Vitor in Brazil it was like holy good god then Vitor when he fought Weidman like oh man

yeah it was like the way I described like a football pool that had like one quarter of the air missing yeah just some something happened like something's going on but if you watch say like a fight and a guy's a super athlete, guys will assume. People are already saying Sage Northcutt's on steroids. That's not fair. He's 19. Yeah, that's not fair.

That's the world we live in, though. Yeah, of course. So it's hard to tell by looking at somebody, but you can tell if they change radically. If you go back to Vitor's fight with Rich Franklin, watch that fight. Watch the Rich Franklin fight, his body, and then watch his fight in the Rockhold fight yeah man watch this boy or if you uh if a guy has like a crazy losing streak the almost and he's coming back he's like this new guy

that's always a signal to me like well I know but something changes and it ain't just kicking and punching cuz you know how to do that. I totally get that it should be illegal. I totally agree that it should be illegal. But part of me, it makes me go, wow. It's just so interesting to see something that allows you to do your sport way better and they won't let you do it. I know. I know. You know, I mean, everything else, everything else you can do. I mean, like, we talk about, like, you know, different supplements, like different companies that sell stuff, like these testosterone boosters and all these different.

I mean, creatine. Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff. All those things work a little bit. Creatine's a muscle enhancer. Yeah. It affects your performance, helps you recover and all that stuff. Yeah. All different vitamins, different amino acids.

I agree. They all have an effect. You can have a little effect. What are you taking? Branched chain amino acids? We'll allow it. That's going to help. Well, what about HGH?

What about HGH? So if a guy injures his knee, there's studies now that HGH is proven to really help aid in the process of recovery, where before, guys were kind of fucked. Oh, yeah. 100% that I take HGH Yeah, right, especially when there's a significant injury. They're trying to recover from but if they're under the testing protocol the USADA They can't do it. I know they can't even do it while they're recovering from an injury that hurting Athletes it's it's her an athlete and it's certainly UFC right because now that athlete that maybe you could let's say It's Anderson Silva.

You could have taken half of his time away from the sport and he could be fighting sooner. Do you think there should be different standards, though? I mean, between combat sports and other sports. Different standards of what you can and can't do as far as enhancing your body. Because of the fact that what you're trying to do ultimately is do damage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

It has to be more stringent. Not that she is ever. Think if Holly looked like over him. She was on some massive shit and kicked Rhonda in the face. Right. It's a different result. Totally different result. Yeah.

If it turned out that she had tested positive after that fight, good Lord, all the hate would come her way now. And then, oh my God, you had to cheat to beat Rhonda. You fucking loser. You piece of shit. They would come her way now yes and then oh my god you had to cheat to beat ronda you fucking loser you piece of shit they would hate her yeah it's crazy man it's crazy it's but it's also there's there's don't you think there's a different reaction when a woman gets caught taking an anabolic steroid versus a man yeah i feel good it's like a freak thing yes i think when guys do it it's kind of like yeah yeah that makes sense right a little bit with women it's like what you went you fucking cheater went deep

yeah dude i know girl jujitsu competitors they're taking testosterone they don't even get paid i mean let's just relax they're just doing jujitsu they're doing jujitsu let's not do and they're doing testosterone let's not do that yeah they're doing like creams and stuff like that like like cyborg will never be able to shake that uh steroid stuff ever did you ever watch her first fight have you ever seen her first fight yeah she'll she'll never be able to shake any of that even she might be clean now i'm not saying she's on stuff i have no idea that she's always gonna that's always gonna be brought up every time she fights now well because we all i mean it it's like you saw what she looked like. You saw that she didn't look anything like anybody that you knew

that hadn't done anything that was a woman. Like when women get athletic and they get strong and they lift a lot of weights, they very rarely look like that. Like there was this level of musculature and thickness and density and shredded at very low body fat with very high muscle content. You're like, whoa, there's a lot going on here. But we're also not speculating. She tested positive.

100%. Yeah, exactly. I'm not like, oh, no, I think she's on it. No, no, no. She failed the test. Yeah. Yeah. So that's always going to travel with her.

Always. Speaking of big-ass girls in jiu-jitsu, you know that Gabrielle? You know what I'm talking about? Oh, no. She failed the test. Yeah. Yeah. So that's always going to travel with her. Always. Speaking of big ass girls in Jiu Jitsu, you know that Gabrielle? You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Gabby? You know, she's striking now at Black House. Yeah. Yeah.

She's looking pretty fucking good. Dude, she's like 6'4". She's going to fight MMA in Japan. She's signed some big deal out there. But the problem with her is she's 200 plus pounds. Who the hell is going to fight her? They found like some big Russian bitch with a beard or something. She's just knocking this Russian grizzly bear out.

You look at her, and she's such a freak now. She used to be this really heavy woman with a lot of body fat. She was really big, and she was just so bulky. She was so big. And then she must have gotten facial reconstruction. She must have gotten like facial reconstruction She must have gotten something done to her face, too, and don't forget about them today She had them be a hitter and

She lost all the body fat shred She's shredded who the fuck has ever done that before gone from being like really fat and overweight forever and just dominating girls and in jiu-jitsu doing really really well, to all of a sudden being shredded. Shred town 3000. Yeah, like Overeem versus Brock Lesnar shredded. 100%. Yeah. And now she's doing MMA. I think she has a fight coming up or something.

In Japan, she's on Rizin. She's on the Rizin card, isn't she? Yeah. I feel like she is. I'm almost positive. But my thing is. Yeah, look how big she is next to Kat Zingano. And Kat's a big girl. Googly moogly. Kat's not small. Yeah. She's like a... But my thing is... Yeah, look how big she is next to Kat Zingano. And Kat's a big girl.

Googly moogly. Kat's not small. Yeah, she's a good 50 pounds heavier than Kat. Gabby Garcia, that's right. But she trains with my good friend Mike Safai at Anderson Silva's gym, and he's like, dude, you should see this girl hit. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure.

She's huge. The other thing is, like, she got so good at jiu-jitsu. She was dominating women at Jiu Jitsu She gets smashing them. She gets any of those girls on the ground now with that body I mean that body that she must have so much. She lost though that little Mackenzie girl. I know Time piece too amazing. Yeah, that girl weighs like 130. How does she do that? I'm a fan. Jiu-Jitsu.

Jiu-Jitsu. Jiu-Jitsu. Jiu-Jitsu is the only martial art where a small, talented guy really can beat a bigger, stronger, faster guy just by knowing the techniques. Just by being like a guy like Marcelo Garcia when he fought Rico Rodriguez in a grappling match. It's just a fight, a match. Like everybody knew Marcelo was going to win. You know, to the point where Marcelo took Rico's back. Rico sort of like violated the rules. He slammed him. Yeah.

He slammed him because Marcelo was backpacking him. He was on him like, and he didn't want to get choked out. So he threw all of his 240 plus pounds backwards with Marcelo on his back. So he landed all the weight on Marcelo's back. Just slammed him to the ground. And then Marcelo leg locked him. Such a badass.

This technique. Speaking of leg locks, your boy Ryan Hall fights. I know. Tomorrow. What happened? Was someone supposed to fight him and they couldn't get a visa or something? No. So the guy who was, he's from England.

He lied on his visa to get in there, and he had some felony or something on it, so they didn't allow him back in the States to fight for the finale. So Ryan Hall stepped up. But Ryan Hall lost already in the house. Who did he lose to? I forget. I haven't watched.

I binge watch. I like to binge watch those things. I've been doing the show on Fox Sports Live, so I just watch. I like watch them right before I go on the show, but I don't watch the Ultimate Fighters. Well, I've been crazy busy, too, and since I'm concentrated on this card, I'm not calling those other cards. I'm only calling that one card. I didn't watch it too much. The Artem guy, he's Conor's boy.

He's knocking motherfuckers out. He's hard. Yeah. He hits hard, but he also drops his hands, and he throws his winging punches. So it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. Yeah, He hits hard, but he also drops his hands, and he throws his winging punches. So it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. Yeah, it's going to be trouble.

It's a crazy fucking week, and no one's even talking about Chad Mendes and Frankie Edgar. Not at all. No one's even talking about it. Listen, you ain't shit unless you're freaking Jose or Connor this weekend. Even Chris Weidman's like, come on, man. Come on. Give me some love here. Jacare and freaking, you know, we forgot to even, we skipped over him almost.

Yeah. Well, we always want someone like Conor to come along who believes in himself in a way that we can't imagine believing in ourselves. We want someone to come along who says crazy shit like he says. He's like our Muhammad Ali, but Irish and small. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but in a weird new way. Where you like it, though. Because if you meet Conor, granted, he does believe in himself more than anyone, but he's such a good dude.

I had lunch with him. I'm like, God damn, man. I'm on your side, man. You're such a good person. He's a great guy. Yeah. And he really does fuck with their heads, man. He really does a number on dudes.

They get in there, they're all discombobulated by the time they get in there with him. And I think other fighters respect that because the amount of shit that he's talked and he puts so much pressure on himself, it's like, damn, and he still pulls it off. Yeah. Because even in little interviews when I was fighting, when I talked a little bit of shit, I'd get off the phone like, oh, shit. Oh, fuck. He talked about the Mark Hunt thing when Mark Hunt got mad at you and you're like, hey. Hey, man. I like sending him a DM on Twitter. Hey, fuck. He talked about the Mark Hunt thing. When Mark Hunt got mad at you and you're like, hey. Hey, man. I like sending him a DM on Twitter.

Hey, bro. I was just joking, man. What's up, brother? He was cool as fuck, though. Yeah. He was super cool. Mark Hunt. Yeah.

Mark Hunt. See, there's a guy. Imagine him on testosterone replacement. Oh, my God. He's not doing nothing. Ain't no one fighting that guy in DLT. Especially. There's something about Samoans.

Like, they're just, they're built better. They're just sturdier. They're like tanks. They're tanks. They're tanks and I'm a bike. Like, his knees are twice the size of a normal person's knees. When you see, like, Mark Hunt inside the octagon. Yeah.

He was made to fight, man. That fucking dude throws bombs, too. What's next for him, though? That's a good question. Because, you know, he's coming off a big win over Bigfoot Silva. What the fuck is going to happen

to Bigfoot? Do you think they're going to let Bigfoot go? If they release Bigfoot, will it be in time for him to fight Fedor and Pride? God damn it. Or Ryzen.

Ryzen. Ryzen. Did they give him a fight yet? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. That's some bullshit. But if they gave him enough time,

if they were nice, and they go, look, Bigfoot ain't going to happen. But you can go over to Japan and let y'all. I don't see why they wouldn't, because what's left for Bigfoot? Where's Bigfoot go? What are we going to do with Bigfoot? In Japan, they're not going to make him weigh in.

He can weigh whatever he wants. They'll let him take whatever he wants. And if anybody has a right to take testosterone, it's Bigfoot. True. He has a pituitary gland tumor, and that's why he has giantism. Yeah, but that motherfucker took advantage of it. Allegedly. Yeah, well.

Perhaps. That's what the commission says. According to the commission. According to these biased tests done with his blood work. Bullshit tests. I'll tell you, that's a great game plan, because in the UFC, there ain't nothing for you, homie. There's nothing for you. There's nothing for you.

You can't do that anymore. Yeah. There's no title shot. They're going to throw you to the wolves and just build off your name. He still hits hard. He's nothing for you. You can't do that anymore. There's no title shot. They're going to throw you to the wolves and just build off your name. He still hits hard. He's still dangerous. He fucked up Overeem. That was one of the best highlight reel knockouts in the heavyweight division. That combination

of punches that he landed on Overeem when he had him up against the cage. The fucking best. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. How about when he knocked out Travis Brown? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Travis ate that right hand against the cage. But Travis blew his hamstring out remember his leg gave out No, I do remember that I remember him blast in the face though. Yeah, but also that was Bigfoot on some shit It was so know that Matt

You know I'm saying that we don't have that Bigfoot for sure after your walking papers and go fight fade or and get all Bing and swole who they give him his walking papers. He doesn't have enough time to fight fade or like we're dealing It's like December 10th now. We're talking today, December 10th. Give Fedor a puff cake like he always fucking fights these days and then let's have Bigfoot get on some shit and do his thing. I can't believe they keep

saying Fedor Milonenko with a to-be-announced opponent this month. You know what I'm talking about? Business 101? Don't do that. What the fuck are you guys doing? That's what they've always done. It's stupid.

That's what Pride always did. This ain't the Pride days, man. We need matchups. We need good matchups. I'm not buying a pay-per-view just fade over some schmunk on it. Well, it's not a pay-per-view. It's going to be on Spike. So there's that.

That's right. But still, you're not going to get huge numbers doing that anymore. I wonder what kind of numbers they will get. Because this is the Ken Shamrock fight, too. Hoist Gracie, Ken Shamrock. You know what?

People will buy that. Kimbo Slice, people will buy that. I mean, buy it as means watch it. They'll watch it. It'll get a million people. You don't think it'll get a million people? It's free? Yes.

It'll get a million. On Spike. It'll get a million. I'll watch Kimbo Slice. Kimbo and Dada, and then Hoist and Ken, and then Fedor as well. I think that's the car. That's the rising car. I'm going to get my fucking camo tap-out shirt out of the box, too, and put that shit on

and go back to 2002. Do you have one with the yellow collar? I did, man. It was so sick. I just said, hey, Bellator. Hey, Bellator. Let's do something new, man. Let's try and get some fresh blood in there.

What they need to do is pay Benson a shitload of money and get him to go over there. That's right. How about that Michael Page guy? Yeah. He's fun. He's fun. He's fun. He hasn't fought top competition, but he has the potential.

He's fun to watch. He does a lot of wild shit. A lot of wild shit. A lot of wild shit. A lot of wild results. Crazy knockouts. I wonder what's fun to watch he does a lot of wild a lot of wild a lot of wild a lot of wild results crazy knockouts i wonder what's gonna happen with uh ben it's a good question it's a very good question i heard some korean organization offered him a ton of money only two hundred thousand dollars a fight yeah that's not that much that's okay it's decent it's decent but it's not

enough to take a risk and leave the ufc because who knows if they're even going to be around in a year well if they're even gonna be around in a year Well if they're gonna be around yeah, you know you can get sponsors when you're over there. No one's really watching Not work exactly. That's not well. He's not getting any sponsors over here. You know that's part of the problem Yeah, you know pray to God they spell your name right and shit How about they called they called Anthony Pettis the mauler That's fucking awesome I love it

It's like someone inside the company is trying to sabotage it I feel like there's someone in there How can I fuck this up I think there's some dude who works for the company He's on the underground He's like a secret Saboteur He's going into the database and changing things

After hours The teachers are printed What the fuck is Anderson Aldo saboteur and he's going into the database and changing things after hours they're like what the fuck they get there the teachers are printed what the fuck is Anderson Aldo what is this

he's like oh I already put it up and he's something has to be going on who knows who knows maybe someone from Adidas growing pains

Adidas owns them oh they do Adidas owns Reebok they do they're like the red headed stepchild maybe someone from Nike maybe Nike didn't like the deal so they let Reebok get the deal then They're like the red-headed stepchild. Maybe it's someone from Nike. Maybe Nike didn't like the deal, so they let

Reebok get the deal, then they sabotaged the company with spyware. That's the only legit... Like, it makes no sense to me. It doesn't make any sense for the design of the shirts, too. How about that? How about the design? Would you guys spend 20 minutes?

I choose like there's some guys like, you think I can make these dumbasses wear this? You think someone's going to sign off on it? I mean, if you just put that out on the internet and you said, come up with a design idea and, you know, we'll give you 50 grand or something like that, which is jack shit for Reebok. Yeah, not shit.

Just get fans who are fans of the sport with Photoshop and you open yourself up to this just gigantic pool of people that come up with ideas. You can get some dope stuff, man. Oh my God, man. Oh my God. Phenomenal stuff.

And instead, they just basically, they didn't even spell the names right on all of them. You know? That's a must. How much time was put into that? It's just a bummer, man. It is a bummer. Bums me out. Just because I love the UFC, it makes the UFC look bad.

Reebok, do whatever the fuck you want, but by signing this deal, now we look like dumbasses. Only to the hardcore fans. They're the only ones who even know about it. Most people have no idea why anybody's wearing a Reebok pair of pants versus a... I mean, you have to be deep in it like we are. The average guy who's watching it, fucking Buffalo Wild Wings, he doesn't give a shit. He doesn't give a shit, but also, that guy's not going to buy a fight kit. You're right.

If you want to appeal. You know who else isn't going to buy a fight kit? Me and you. Just start going outside and pointing at people. You'll be successful. I agree. I mean, you just can't. Who's buying?

Have you seen one? Have you ever seen one? I've never seen one. I've never seen one. Some guy tweeted me earlier today and goes, holy shit, Shob, I'm seeing Conor McGregor fight kits. Oh, that's different. At the, you know, at the island people. Yeah, but they probably smell like Guinness.

They put a US, American flag on Conor McGregor's shit. I think they did that on a website. What they did, though, also. No, some guy ordered it and took pictures like, this can't be right. Oh, God, really? Yes. Physically had it. It was like, come on, man.

I got a fucking Conor McGregor shirt. Well, how about the Ireland shirt that they made where they didn't include Northern Ireland? That was a big one. Oh, my God. That was a big one. That's a massive insult to those people. That's a massive insult. Like, you're trying to sell the image of their land.

And you don't, I mean, this has been this historical dispute between the north and south and you're gonna not include northern ireland dude conor mcgregor's head coach was like you guys better change that right now i'm ripping all this reebok shit off my walls yeah yeah i mean that's a big deal man it's a huge deal for those guys it's just details man you know it's just it comes down to just details i'm sure dana's getting so much shit from it, he's going to start focusing on it more. I hope so. But it's a fucking nightmare, man. They've done nothing good. Because at least if they were fucking things up, the guys were getting paid, it's like,

don't worry, we'll figure it out. And the fighters are like, it's all good, baby. They can't do that when you're not paying guys. That's exactly how fighters would be, too. They wouldn't give a shit. If you spelled their name wrong, we'd give them half a million dollars. I don't give a fuck. Call me Brandon. Give me 500 grand. Brandon Shaw. I name wrong, we'd give them half a million dollars. I don't give a fuck. Call me Brandon.

Give me 500 grand. Brandon Schaub. I'll change it. You want Brandon? That's cool. That'd be your nickname. Brandon, Brandon Schaub. Just fucked up.

Brandon would be in quotes. You'd just take that on as your new nickname. Dude, it's like Sage Northcutt. Someone tagged me on his Instagram. He posts, oh, get my shirt for the fights tonight. And the t-shirt's $34.99. Well, that's an issue there. And then Sage is getting such a big following.

Do your own shit, man. Yeah. We've been over this. I beat it to a dead horse. Reebok, you'll figure it out. Well, you got a unique opportunity to do that because of the podcast. And you connect with all these people. And then you like this network of people that listen to your stuff you give a free podcast all the time they want to wear those fighter and the kid shirts they want to

drink coffee out of the fighter and the kid mug yeah it's it's hard for a fighter to establish all that stuff and get it going while they're in the middle of training camps managers and managers yeah all that someone should recommend it to him oh. Oh, yeah. He shouldn't be focused on it. Don't get me twisted. Don't get it wrong. I just feel like if you're not on that model yet, you're getting left behind. It's true. But these managers and these agents and stuff, they probably don't even know how to do it.

They're not even aware because everybody's just concentrating on the fight game. You have to diversify. You're not making money doing that. because everybody's just concentrating on the fight game. It's like you have to diversify. You're not making money doing that. So you're taking 20% of his money that he already earned from Reebok? That makes no sense.

How are you going to make money? How much can a fighter make doing seminars, like when someone starts doing seminars? How much can they make? A decent money if you go on tours. But that's a beast, man. How much do they make? How much can a big-name guy make for a day, one day seminar? I'm not sure. I'm not that, you know, I'm not a superstar, but you know, I was getting, I did a seminar

once and I got like six grand. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. How many people were in there? It was in Canada. I mean, it was packed. It was packed. A couple hundred?

Yeah. No, maybe a hundred. Maybe a hundred. Yeah. Eddie Bravo does some pretty fucking big seminars. I don't want to be rude, though, and ask him how much he makes. But I would think that if you do a bunch of those, like in a row, like you do a gang of those, that's a real living. They have to be legit, though.

You know what I'm saying? A lot of times when a guy is so technical and he's such a good fighter, he can't relate that in words very well. So the seminar kind of sucks. It also seems that jujitsu is the seminar that people want to go to. It's very hard to get people to go to an MMA seminar or very hard to get people to go to a Muay Thai seminar or harder. But jujitsu seminars are typically pretty fucking giant. Well, I feel like jujitsu is more lucrative, right?

People who sign up for jujitsu, especially in California, if you're going through the whole belt system, you're going to have some bank. So they're going to sign up for a Jiu-Jitsu seminar. Machida does a shitload of seminars in Brazil, karate seminars. Right. Yeah, he does. But his family has that background. His brother, his dad can help.

It's a little different animal. Yeah, and he's famous. He's a former champion. Super famous, yeah. It's different if you're famous. Yeah, it's an interesting thing, seminars. Yeah, um, it's an interesting thing Seminars, you know seminars are very fascinating to me You know and also like putting together a gym and making that gym a successful entity a successful business is so hard to do

Do you know anything about combat sports Academy the CSA? Kevin Ross trains out of gene. I guess Gina Karana was up there now to Miriam Nakamoto, I've heard of it He's a bad motherfucker the guy who runs that gym He knows what he's doing and he's got a giant gym He's got a lot of members and he puts on seminars And teaches people how to run gyms How to successfully run gyms

And set up training programs That's brilliant I should go to it sometime just to watch We should go I think he does it annually just to watch just for my own – Yeah, we should go. Yeah, I'd be down. Find out – I think he does it annually. I think he does it annually. Just go and see what they're doing.

Because Onnit does that too, though, a little bit, right? Like they do – Different, though. Different. I'm just saying they do a thing how – Yes. Right? How you can qualify to be a trainer from Onnit Academy.

Right. But this is – the difference being that it's training protocol. Like John Wolfe does a lot of things. But it's all like kettlebells and steel maces and things like that. It's exercises. You know, there's a difference between teaching someone how to like perform exercises correctly, like kettlebell certifications are pretty common.

You know, like Pavel does a bunch of them, a bunch of different kettlebells. Steve Maxwell does. He has his own certification process. I think Mahler, Mike Mauler does as well. The real big name guys have these certification protocols because they figure out what's the best way to implement their training regimen and then they teach it

to people so they can teach it to other people. And once you get the technique down, the movements down, stuff like that. But I think it's way more complex to get a bunch of people to sign up for your gym. I think that's hard for people to do. And he's teaching them how to run the gym and be successful. I think so. I'm pretty sure.

That's a motherfucker. And I think also how to set up training, uh, training schedules and calendars and how to peak fighters. That's, that's priceless. Yeah. He should be killing it.

There should be a ton of people in there. A lot of people come to those things. He should be killing it. Cause that, I mean, to learn that it's priceless. He also has a, he's got some CrossFit shit going on, too. Because, like, their Instagram post, there's a lot of his CrossFit game stuff, a lot of CrossFit classes and exercises.

So I think his gym is both a strength and conditioning gym and a Muay Thai gym. Smart, man. They have some MMA fighters there as well. Yeah. But it's like, Muay Thai, it's very hard to get a lot of people to sign up for Muay Thai. Not a lot of people want to get their face split open. Not a lot of people want to get cut up by elbows. Not the masses.

Yeah. That's why jiu-jitsu is so lucrative. Exactly. You get old ladies to do jiu-jitsu. Even CrossFit. That's why CrossFit's so big, man. Yeah. It's hard to run a gym, man.

Even running a fucking 24-hour fitness or a LA fitness or something like that. Gym or, since I was a kid, you know, my dad's a businessman. Since I was a kid, a gym or a restaurant is not the way you want to go. Like, people ask me, are you going to start a gym? Absolutely not. Yeah. The chance of you making legit money off that, good luck, man. It's hard.

It's so competitive. Unless you're some Scrooge McDuck, like Dan Lambert, who doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Who puts together some just gigantic, I mean, I don't know. I don't remember asking Dan, but I can't imagine how long it took him before ATT was profitable. Takes a long-ass time. I'm sure it's probably profitable now because it's so big and so famous, so popular. But I might be wrong. He might just be doing it for the money.

He might be just breaking even, yeah. Yeah. He may be doing it for the fun rather than the money. Just breaking even, yeah. Yeah. I mean, doing it for the fun rather than the money. Yeah. It's also when you think about how many different schools and colleges produce professional football players, right? They go from the high school system to the college system.

They go from the college system into the NFL. You know what I mean? There's the wealth of talent nationwide established these systems as these kids come up in. It's about 300 a year. So established, right? MMA is not like that. No. You have these random professional gyms, and some of them, like, there's fighters like Johnny Hendricks left team takedown.

I know. So what he's going to do is he's going to have someone fucking hold mitts for him and do some boxing work and then work out with the Oklahoma State wrestling team. Is that what he's saying? Yeah. He's got to put together his own camp. He's leaving Team Takedown. That's tough, man.

It is tough. And also, he lives in Dallas. Team Takedown was in Dallas. It's the big place in Dallas. They came up together. I think they had some sort of a problem because the team takedown thing, if I'm talking out of my ass here because this is all just stuff I've read on the Internet, but I believe what they did is they give the fighters a salary.

And they give them, you know, they set them up. Room and board. Room and board. Take care of everything. But when the money starts rolling in, they get 50%. God dog. 50%. We're talking about Johnny Hendricks, the champ.

Yep. That'd be annoying as fuck. Yep. Well, he's not the champ anymore. Yeah, but still, he was for a while. Yeah. Yeah. You got to wonder, you know, what's the most profitable way to do it.

50 is a lot. 50 is a ton. But also at the same time, you know, was Johnny a guy that didn't have anything? He's coming from Oklahoma from college and like, listen, we're going to invest all this money into you hoping you become the champ and then we'll get our money back on the investment. Exactly. And then did it happen? Johnny was like, listen, we're going to invest all this money into you, hoping you become the champ, and then we'll get our money back on the investment. Exactly. And then did it happen? Johnny was like, listen, I don't know the details.

Was Johnny like, fuck this, man, it's too much money? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. You know, and then there's the argument that could be made where, like, if you have a high-level champion like a Johnny Hendricks, it makes the whole gym better, and it's worth a lot of money to the gym just to have him training there. For 100%.

100%, right? That's huge, man. Because it changes people's attitude about a gym. It brings better guys into the gym. 100%. 100%. Like here's a perfect example. Muscle Farm.

You found out that TJ just moved to Muscle Farm. Everybody went, whoa, hold on. That's a ballsy move by Muscle Farm. That's a gangster move, right? Yeah. You get a guy like Matt Brown's there, too. Get a guy like Matt Brown. So you got Matt Brown and you got TJ Dillashaw.

Okay, you're making moves. You got Matt Brown. Yeah. You got TJ Dillashaw. You got Brandon Thatch. Neil Magny. Yep. Yep.

Yep. Neil Magny just beating Calvin Gaslam. That raises it big time. Those are gangster moves, right? Yes. That's how you get a gym popular. So now here we are talking about the Muscle Farm Gym. If they didn't do that, would we be talking about it?

No. Well, Rampage was training there years ago. Did we talk about it? It was like the first one. We didn't talk about it. How about Sage? You know Sage Northcutt left TriStar. He did?

Yeah. When? His dad pulled him from TriStar. What? Yeah. When? In the recent article I read, his dad took him out of TriStar. He's training in Dallas now.

Some local gym in Dallas or some shit like that. Or wherever he's from in Texam. Whoa. Station, whatever. Hmm. I wonder what that's all about.

I don't know. French girls. Too much to get you. Too much to dish. Bonjour. Sage has to just fucking... If he doesn't, I don't know

I wouldn't want to change his fucking sheets Miss it out on life Wouldn't want to fucking Be the person who has to wash that kid's sheets You know The amount that just must fly out of his body In the middle of the night From his dreams

Like fucking Spiderman Yeah man It's gonna have a tough road as far as distractions go. But, hey, worse things could happen to you. I agree. It's a good thing. Or he might just fly off the fucking handle. Say you know it's got Prince returned to TriStar after UFC Fight Night 80.

Eyes, future, acting, modeling gigs. Oh, it's over. Well, yeah. It's over. Hey, man. Acting and modeling gigs. You got a long ways to go in the UFC. Let's talk about modeling and acting yeah well maybe he just sees the potential for money and realizes he can

only fight so much i mean that's always possible that is always possible man i mean look you have to think about it that way look at what's going on with you look at how much more money you make now doing your podcast than you were making when you're fighting and how much easier it is for you. It's not even close. Not even close. Not even close. And the podcast is growing every month. I saw you guys were in the top 10 of all the podcasts in the world the other day. Yeah. Holla.

Holla. Hello, episode. Scooch me.com. Whatever the fuck it was. Comment, son. It's crazy. And on top of that, you're doing these live shows that are selling out months in advance. Yeah.

And that's super profitable. And all that comes to you. It's not enough to go through the UFC. You make your own schedule. No one tells you what to do or what not to do, what you can and can't say. You don't get some angry phone call from somebody who says, why did you say that? You're not supposed to talk about that.

You talk about whatever the fuck you want. I can't believe my life, man. I'm doing the best I've ever done in my life. So a kid like this sees the possibilities of the future and he goes, look, you've got to take what you can take. You've got to take what's there. You don't put it aside to try to pursue this potentially lucrative career as a UFC champion. You know what the difference is, though, is he's, what, 19? Yeah.

He's 19. He's a freak athlete. He's already getting notoriety. He's 19. He's a freak athlete. He's already getting notoriety. He's not going to be able to take that step into movies like Ronda did or George St. Pierre unless he's super successful. So if he already has one foot out the door now, you're about to get eight the fuck up in that division at 155.

Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he doesn't really have one foot out the door. Maybe these are just things that come his way. He says, sure, if I have the time. I mean, who knows what kind of dad- True, who knows. Son relationship he has or how disciplined he is. I don't know. Only time will tell, but all the trappings are laid out in front of him.

When you see that, I mean, and that's what we kind of missed with the Ronda Rousey thing. We didn't really talk about it. She had been able to pull it off. She was so successful. We thought she was the exception. The exception. And then Holly Holmes said, nah, check this out. There's no exceptions, motherfucker.

Yeah. That's why I think that fight was good for martial arts. Because it showed you. You can't violate the rules of engagement. You have to be prepared for any type of engagement. It's a fight. It's a fight. Well, Connor said that. that he goes I let no distractions you know I think everyone can learn from the Rhonda fight there's no distractions for me smart and

he goes I've been offered movie TV deals he goes I do not care about that there's no distractions for me when I hear that I'm like this motherfucker is smart early because if Rhonda didn't do all those things if she put all those things aside and just went to a Spartan-like existence from the jump and never varied from her course and had outstanding training every step of the way, you're talking about a truly unusual athlete. Truly unusual outlier of an athlete. Someone who's got that kind of focus and drive. It's going to be interesting to see what happens, man. It'll work out.

For the rest of the world. Well, hopefully it works out for her. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, hopefully. But then again, hopefully it works out for Holly, too. I agree, man. You have to kind of look at it that way. But what's work out?

I know Rhonda's not materialistic, but when you say work out, if you're talking about bank account, yeah, she's fine. But it's more than that for her. Of course. You know what I'm saying? So work out depends. She's fine because of the way she lives. She's not living like Scrooge McDuck. That's true.

She's pretty frugal for someone who's very wealthy. She has a small house. She's not balling out of control. No. So think of that, but then also think about what does she do now, you know. She had an opportunity for real greatness and for a moment had achieved it. She had this opportunity to be the first ever UFC women's bantamweight champion. She took it and then ran with it, smashed everybody everybody in front of her and became this gigantic fucking superstar until

she fought Holly but now it's like well this is the whole fucking game board has changed everything's changed the reality has changed everything has shifted and you need to adjust to this new reality i i i feel like women's fighting is kind of similar to boxing where in boxing if you lose a fight you're kind of fucked in the women's division it's not that deep so when you lose a fight you're kind of fucked yeah there's an asterisk as soon as you lose it's kind of like yeah no you were great but there's a little asterisk here now right which in men it's not's not that way. So let's say Connor and Jose, they can go back and forth.

They're going to be fine. Maybe. Maybe. It's interesting. It's interesting, right, man? So interesting. And you know what? How about the fucking strawweight division?

It's so shallow that you've got Paige Van Zandt, who I love. She's fucking so scrappy and aggressive, but she's already number seven. She's 3-0. How about Rose's? I think Rose's record's 2-3 or something. I but she's already number seven. She's three and oh. How about Rose's? I think Rose's record's two and three or something. I think Rose's ranked number 12 or something.

Is that what she's ranked? I think she's higher than that, ain't she? She might be higher than that. I mean, there's some girls ranked like- Oh, yeah. I'm talking about the guy Uriah's fighting is ranked number 12. She's ranked number three, Rose's? Yeah, Rose's badass.

Rose's like two and three or something. She's phenomenal. She's badass. Phenomenal. And she's wild, and she does a lot of really explosive things. She's dangerous. Very, very dangerous. But that is a goddamn great, fun fight, right?

But there's not a lot of those in that division. There's not. It's like she's, for Paige, being that young and that talented. She's fun. She's smiling. She's great. It's all fun and games until you win that fight and you fight fucking Joanna.

Gotta fight that demon. Who's gonna fucking rearrange your face. Yeah. In five rounds. Or Claudia Gadea, who's a fucking destroyer as well. Claudia's nasty, man. That girl's nasty. You know what I heard?

I heard, I'm not breaking news, it's probably kind of a rumor. They might announce it already in the press conference, but Klaja and Joanne are the next tough coaches. Ooh, I like that. Do you? Yeah, I like that. I like that fight.

I love the fight. Split decision. Yeah, phenomenal fight. Yeah, it's a good fight. Oh, you don't like them as coaches? I don't give a fuck about coaches, honestly. I don't like drama. If I want to watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I'll watch

drama. I want to watch fights. I want to watch fights. I'm with you, Joe, but the Ultimate Fighter is a long process. Yeah. No, I understand. I don't particularly like the fights on the Ultimate Fighter that much. No, I don't either. I could be wrong.

That's a rumor I heard. It's from a legit source. Most of the guys in the Ultimate Fighter, I don't either. I could be wrong. That's a rumor I heard. It's from a legit source. Most of the guys in The Ultimate Fighter, I appreciate the fact they're learning and they're getting better. But when guys get gassed out in the middle of the first round, it's all like, I know how hard it is to even do what they're doing. Don't get me wrong. I'm not demeaning them. But in order for me to really want to pay a lot of attention to fighters they have to achieve a certain level because you've seen that level i've seen it too many times so i see so many like like uriah hall when he was on the ultimate fighter i was like oh okay you could

do some damage motherfucker do some damage yes robert whittaker same thing i was like oh okay you know um there's guys there's guys you see see, they go, all right, this fucking dude. It's rare. Like last night or whatever, early, not last night, two days or whatever, they asked me on The Ultimate Fighter, who do you think can be successful in the UFC? Who would you pay money to see? My answer was no one.

But probably no one right now. They have a long ways to go. Actually, to get to the UFC, they have a long ways to go. The answer is the guy who's the youngest, who's the most focused, who has the most attention you could put to it, who's the best athlete, who's in the best camp. Best camp. All those things.

All those things. Can you capitalize on your experience there and learn and grow? It's a great farm system. It's a great farm system. The problem is you're taking people that that you know they might not be fully grown they haven't sprouted yet they're not they're not and you're throwing them right into the the mixed martial arts super it's interesting because yeah exactly because the ultimate fighter used to be guys were you know two and oh three and oh and then you know you're on that show and

then you kind of have a huge following and then you're in the ufc and can have a couple build-up fights but at least you have a fan base well Well, now it's like these guys are, they get launched right into the mix. Like I think, uh, you know, I fought Roy Nelson, which I had no business fighting at the time. And then like six months later, I was fighting Gabriel Gonzaga. I went from fighting a guy in the ultimate fighter with two fights to Gabriel Gonzaga. It was like, what the fuck? Former heavyweight championship contender. Yeah, man.

It was like, Jesus Christ. Summer heavyweight championship contender. Yeah, man. I was like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that is the trickiest thing about going from that show right into the big leagues. What the fuck happened in that one dude that fought Efrain Escudero and Efrain beat him? Everybody was all hyped up on him. Dana was like, he was like an Anderson Silva. Oh, he's fighting Felipe Novo.

Felipe Novo. He's fighting tonight. Is he? I think he's on the card. I think so. He was a fucking talented kid. He's fighting Felipe Novo. He's fighting tonight. Is he? I think he's on the card. I think so. He was a fucking talented kid. He's one of those guys, you see him against guys who are of a lesser caliber, and he looks like a monster. Yeah, but let's never call him Anderson Silva ever again, everybody.

Well, you know, I think it's hard to judge when you're watching people that are fighting people that aren't that good. God damn, he looks shredded there, though. He does look shredded. He's a head zone guy. But didn't he have some weird problem where he was blacking out? Didn't he have some serious issue? Like he would have a fainting spell or something like that? A medical issue?

Like a fainting goat thing? Yeah, there was something wrong. He was out for a while, and then he was fighting all around. And then he got back to the UFC. Yeah, he fought other places. I'm just looking at Rose and Van Zandt. Is that the sexiest fight of all time? I hate to be sexist.

Oh, dude. Look at those two. Is that Tim Means versus John Howard? Are you fucking kidding me? That's the dirty bird, son. Holy shit. I didn't even know this was happening. This is tonight?

What? Is it on now? Actually on What? Is it on now? Actually on now? Is it on Fight Pass? Really? Jesus Christ. Okay, so there's a few fights before you get to Tim Means. That is a fucking bang-up fight, man.

That's a great fight. Tim Means is nasty. He's nasty. I mean, he got caught by Matt Brown, but not after he tagged Matt Brown. That was a fun fight, man. That's a great fight. Tim Means is nasty. He's nasty. I mean, he got caught by Matt Brown, but not after he tagged Matt Brown. That was a fun fight, man. It was a very fun fight. The Dirty Bird's fun to watch. Oh, yeah. He's super technical.

And he's an Albuquerque guy outside of Jackson's gym. He's at another gym. What's it? NHB or something like that? I forget. I forget. I should pull it up here. I'm going to pull it up here. I'm going to pull it up here. I'm not sure, but Tom is his trainer.

Why am I drawing a blank? Tom Vaughn. Tom Vaughn is his trainer. To say which gym or no? I'll find out. Chiesa Jim Miller is a good one. Oh, yeah. Chiesa.

Chiesa. I was fucked up. I know. I Miller's a good one. Oh, yeah. Chiesa. Chiesa. I always fuck up the news. I know. I didn't even know that Jim Miller was fighting. Oh, fuck yeah. You know? That Caron one. Jesus Christ.

Kaylee Caron. Yeah. She's a little beast. God damn. There's some crazy ass fights going on. It's crazy. What an amazing time. These three days are nuts.

It's almost like- 35 fights. It's an overwhelming wealth of goodness that happens These three days are nuts. It's almost like these overwhelming wealth of goodness that happens over three days. My brain's like, whoa. Yeah. Man. This is what's going on right now? This fight?

Yeah? Guy's got some great tattoos. Guy's got a set of hair on him. It's an awesome time to be an MMA fan. Are you going to go to EBI on Sunday? Is this fan. Are you going to go to EBI on Sunday? Is this Sunday? Eddie Bravo and his Invitational? Yeah.

Are you going? Yeah, fuck yeah. You want me back? I'll go with you. What time? I got a wild ride, man. I fly in early in the morning. I think it starts at, I want to say it starts at 4, 3 or 4.

Eddie thinks it starts, I don't know. I'll go for sure. Maybe it starts at 5. Let's talk about it. I'll find out what time it starts. Yeah, 3 or 4, Eddie thinks it starts. I don't know. I'll go for sure. Maybe it starts at 5. I'll find out what time it starts. Yeah, let's talk about it. Well, let's find out what time the Eddie Bravo Invitational starts. I knew I had enough time to get home and take a nap and then head out. And it's almost sold out, folks.

If you're thinking about going. 5 o'clock on Sunday. 5 o'clock? Two days, 23 hours from now. And what'clock and what is the what's the name of the this the theater the venue the Orpheum in downtown which is an awesome theater it's really cool fucking old theater but's, I, it might be sold out now. Uh, it was real close to sold out up until, um, like last night. So it might already be sold out. But, uh, if you want to go see a really fucking exciting jujitsu competition and you're interested in martial arts, you're interested in

jujitsu, even if you've never competed, you never trained, this is the one to go to. Because, first of all, it's like a great bunch of killers that are inside the brackets, including Gary Tonin, who's one of the best in the world in no-gi grappling. He's fucking sensational. He's a killer. And Danny Propogos, who as a brown belt, he was a world champion. Nathan Orchard is in this, who's also one of Eddie's black belts, who's elite. There's like a whole bunch of really good high-level talent. And the system that Eddie's created, the way they reset the fights,

they battle it out, they have a certain time limit, and then after that time limit, if no one has finished anybody, then they put them in positions. Like they'll start off with you on the guy's back with an over-under hook with both hooks in. And you say, ready, go. And then if he taps you, then you get to start in that same position. And it's sort of like overtime rounds in wrestling. It's a great idea.

And at first I was like, boy, I don't know about that. But then you see it live. You go, oh, this works. And it's fucking super exciting. It's by far the most entertaining and most well-done Jiu-Jitsu show there is, I think. What's the website that they can go to if they want to? EddieBravoInvitational.com. That's what it is. EddieBravoInvitational.com.

And if you want, you might be able to still get a couple of tickets for the Orpheum, but it might be sold out. But you can watch it online at BudoVideos. What is it? BudoVideos.com. Go there. And I'm sure Eddie Bravo's Twitter page has all the information as well as 10thPlanetJJ.com. I think we're out of time.

We out of time yet? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Awesome, man. It's been fun. Always. We got a lot to talk about. We broke it down.

We broke it down. This is a wonderful time if you're an MMA fan. It's the best, man. This is shit. It's been fun. Always. We got a lot to talk about. We broke it down. This is a wonderful time if you're an MMA fan. It's the best, man. This is shit. It's the best. Alright, Brian. Find the Kid live tour. Oh, yeah. San Francisco, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, Vegas, baby. A lot of that shit sells

out in advance. So get on it, you fucks. Alright. Thank you everybody and we'll see you next week