The Joe Rogan Experience - #736 - Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen

Episode Date: December 14, 2015

Brendan Schaub is a mixed martial artist and also a former college & pro football player. Bryan Callen is an actor and stand-up comedian. Together they host "The Fighter & The Kid" available on Spotify.

Propecia is bad for your dick! For your wang! For your dick! It's probably bad for a lot of things. You know what else it's bad for? For me, at least, personally. My experience? When I got off of it, my endurance, like, upped. Really? So you don't say that to me now? Yeah, my strength, like, I felt stronger. Like, I felt, like, physically better. Like, I would get tired, like, when I was on it.

Really? I heard there's terrible side effects. Ari Shafir experienced severe depression from Propecia and didn't put the two and two together until after he got off of it. He had bad depression and he realized, oh my god, it all started when I started taking Propecia.

I heard it messes with your sex drive too. I gotta be honest with you guys. It killed my dick like a bullet. I'll be honest with you guys, I take it all the time and my dick is always hard. Hard right now. You're amazing. I gotta be honest with you guys. It killed my dick like a bullet. I'll be honest with you guys. I take it all the time, and my dick is always hard. Hard right now. You're amazing. I am. As you always like to say, it's not testosterone.

I'm just a pervert. I mean, Brian always tells me, dude, I think my testosterone is too high. Like, look at your butt. You're built like this. This is you. Dude, I took my shirt off. Don't ever say, you were quite, you know what happened to you when I took my shirt off? You went like this.

You go, you held it in, but you went like this. You went immediately. Do you think I shuddered? You went, this. You held it in, but you went like this. You went immediately. Do you think I shuddered? You went, and then you were like, oh, you need to get in better shape. Like if I was a woman, I would be excited. You guys did have a pose off. We had a pose off just now. Two 48-year-old losers posing off.

Fucking literally. I'm on my phone, Joe goes, Shabby, I look at this. We were making you judge us. Making you judge us. You guys are both my friends. No, both of you judge us. Making you judge us. You guys are both my friends? No, both of you look great. About who looks younger. Didn't you think at some point in time you were going to grow up?

I always assumed that this would not be funny for me. Yeah. Like you would come up to my table where I wouldn't be with my friends going. Of course. Of course. Being retarded. I loved it. It never ends.

Will we be like 80 in doing this? I think so. I think we'll always be attracted to round, soft surfaces, fighting, any kind of penetration, and it'll get our attention always. Like, what happened? A guy punched him in the face? Well, listen to this crazy shit.

Dana White told me that the guy who invented Regenikine, Peter Welling, is that his name is, in Germany? I forget his name. Dusseldorf, Germany. Dusseldorf. This is the one that Kobe Bryant, all those guys are flying out to Germany to this Regenequin procedure that regenerates. It's amazing anti-inflammatory properties.

He's figured out a way to regenerate collagen with an injection. With an injection, your body starts regenerating its own collagen like a 20-year-old. And he's saying wrinkles will just go away. Your skin will just tighten up. You are going to look like a much younger Person and this is all within like the next year really yep there are grads count. I don't need it look at my face You're beautiful so tight. They're on the brink of doing this man They're that close like they're setting up the infrastructure, and they're getting ready to roll with this time when they're testing that shit Oh hell yeah.

When they do, it's going to be fucking bonkers, man. That's pretty wild, man. You're going to see Barbara Walters looking hot. Fuck. I know, but every time I... It's true. They are doing crazy stuff with tissue regeneration. Well, I wonder when they're going to be able to do that to backs,

because people that have really fucked... I ran into my friend Alder. He's one of Andy Bravo's black belts last night. I haven't seen him in a while. He told me he hasn't been able to i haven't seen him in a while told me he hasn't been able to do jiu-jitsu in two years his back has been fucked up and it just doesn't get better yeah yeah definitely well i'm doing a disc degeneration you know there are two girls i know who are in wheelchairs you know and and uh they are are they coming is it from your dick it's from my dick it's from my dick and uh you dicked them they You dicked them down? They're both actually

super attractive, I have to be honest, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't have thoughts. So you're talking about spinal injuries not discs. Yeah. And, you know, obviously there's a long way to go before that, but there's a guy in San Diego, a doctor, who I guess works with electrical pulses, and he

has had some success in sort of, he shoots an electrical sort of uh i don't know it's in some cases uh it's it's given some feeling back on their legs and stuff so it's it's promising but i think i think we're a long way they're gonna fix all that stuff yeah they just can't figure out how to regenerate spinal tissue they can't figure out how to connect once your core is severed they can't do anything about it but they're they're very hopeful they're doing it with penises i mean you're able to transplant a penis not only did the guy they transplanted his penis and he was excited he got his girlfriend pregnant wow that's right yeah yeah crazy well

the hardest thing for so many veterans is when they get their legs blown off the first thing this doctor was saying the first thing young men say is, what's going on with my dick? Of course. And of course. And it's so devastating. It's such a devastating wound. And one of the things that they were trying to get money for it, and they were like, look, legs are more important. He said, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mentally, for a young man, when he gets an injury to his groin, that's fucking more devastating than almost anything else. It's pretty devastating. Also, when your dick gets blown off with your balls, like, you don't have testosterone anymore. Exactly. So it's, obviously, there's a lot to say about that, the horrors of war. Yeah. The idea that you can just figure out how to fix bodies to the point where anything that's broken can just get repaired. You know, think about like 100, 500 years ago.

If you got a broken leg, like 500 years ago, you're a dead man. We're going to have to put you down. The thing is, you know the one thing they can't figure out how to help? Your brain. It's the only thing they can't figure out. Everything else, you're good. I feel like why don't they just drill a hole and shoot some stem cells in there? I don't know, man. This CRIS crisper this crisper cast nine is fucking incredible That's the new frontier and in ten years. We're gonna be we're gonna be

Literally taking your DNA and putting a gene in the area Apparently just shooting a gene in the area of that when they snip your DNA. This is whole, you know, you know, it works It's kind of wild. There's a great radio lab podcast on Chris I listen to it twice so I could figure out what they're saying you know what the con is to all this though is all this advancement and medical and all that stuff and We're fixing everyone is it's gonna everything's gonna get overpopulated, right? People stop dying maybe there will always be a plane old death I think the biggest question but that average life's to be way longer. It's already increasing.

Also, how do you pay for... Like, there are certain cancer treatments that are $1,000 a pill. I mean, you can cure hep C now, and it's $1,000 a pill. It'll cost you $84,000, but you'll cure it. You will cure it. For sure. Hep C is a curable disease. It's no longer a manageable disease.

It used to be really hard. You'd have to take interferon, which would only work on Northern Europeans. Is this the Donald Downs Buyers Club? The look on Brendan Shaw's face is he can still fuck Pamela Anderson now. Yeah, I'm like, whoa. Hold on. With the collagen and the new tit-tags. Sign me up, son.

I can do it. Isn't that crazy, though? We've got to get her to do squats. No ass at all. No ass at all. Nothing. Who? Pam?

I worked with her. She had an ass. Easy. When did you work with her? I did Stacked, the great TV show. Was that in the 60s? It may as well have been. Stacked.

She was 14. She was 38. Still very hot. How old is she now, though? And had Hep C at the time. So you're talking about at least 10 years ago, right? Yeah, about 10 years ago. Bro, I saw Sydney Crawford when I was coming out of yoga in Santa Monica.

She is jaw-dropping gorgeous. She's beautiful. I had a long conversation with her and her husband, like six months ago at a party. Dude. Yeah, she's hot as fuck, and she's like 50. Yes. 51, something like that. I love it.

She keeps it up, baby. Have you seen Christy Brinkley? Yes. 62. Have you seen her? Looks hot as fuck. Really? She might be the hottest older lady of all time.

Oh, no, she is the hottest older lady of all time. I saw Raquel Welsh when she was in her 60s, and a straight-up dime piece. Some women are beautiful their whole fucking life. They can hang in there. Very rare. They can hang in there. Yeah. It's fucking rare. Very rare. They can hang in there. Yeah. It's fucking rare.

Super rare. You know how much effort it must take to keep that up? I mean, it's a job. You don't think it's genetics? It's probably that, too, but also effort. I don't think there's any woman who looks that fantastic that doesn't do something. Like, either they have fillers on their face, or they work out like a fucking demon, which is mandatory, or they go to... have to they have to they probably do cryogenics

like that's Christie Brinkley she's 62 that's nuts my mom is very similar in age I would go on a date with her sick yeah she's hot right and that's not even a good picture because like the Sun's behind her, her face is in the shade. She's legitimately high-definition beautiful. That's crazy. She might fall apart, though, when you get in the sack. You know what I'm saying? She's like bones.

She probably just sleeps all the time. Just like a vampire. She's constantly regenerating. Don't touch me, bitch. You don't touch me. She's in a bathtub. It's filled with blood. She's lying in there.

tub it's filled with blood i started i started noticing i started noticing like for me like about about four years ago maybe three years ago like i noticed that girls just didn't look at me the same when i come off stage like i mean i talk about my wife and stuff but when when you as a young man like you're doing stand-up you would always have some female attention it's it's died down quite a bit dried it out I'm old guy well I'm 48 now if a girl who is 20 and she were to sleep in the I'm sure like we were talking about her friends would probably be like how old yeah for sure yeah your fans now are more interested in bingo and shit I'm not very so what is that college and shit coming out super soon right in your face. I'm shooting that shit up by the gallon. Super soon. By the gallon.

Shooting it right into your face holes. I'm going to take my shirt off here because I got a tight shirt on. How about you take the headphones off too? Yeah, but they just don't like feeble old dudes, you know, with weird hunches in their back. No, you don't want to look like fucking. Gravity is winning. Some guys let themselves go. I've never understood. You don't want that. Yeah. Shitty posture. Fuck gravity's winning some guys some guys let themselves go. I've never understood Yeah

Like we were just talking about Christie Brinkley. She's like way older than us. Yeah, but we would all fuck her Yes, give me a chance right now and the right circumstance. I'm taking my sports to a new level by the time I'm 60 drugs Plan tennis. What is this tennis thing? Why are you so obsessed with that? I just always you take up something manly like jiu-jitsu. I box bro tennis thing? Why are you so obsessed with that? He's always been obsessed with it. How about you take on something manly like jujitsu? I box, bro. Oh, yeah, you do, bro. Yeah. I go four rounds.

Amazing. Don't. Why are you looking at me like that? When's the last time you boxed? Ask Chris Van Eerden. That's not an answer to a question. It was about, I don't have to get into all the details. And then we had stuff going on.

It was about three weeks ago. Did you watch the UFC this weekend? I did. Did you? Where UFC this weekend? I did. Did you? Where were you? And by the way, you were in Florida, right? Yes, not to brag, but I called every single fight, including the Rose-Page fight and the Frankie-Edgar-Mendez.

Well, you didn't call the result. You didn't think that Frankie was going to knock out Chad Mendes. I picked the winners. I picked the winners. I don't think anybody. I thought Frankie had a real good shot at decisioning. When my friends asked me, who's going to win this, who's going to win that, I said, Frankie has a real good shot at decisioning, Chad,

but Chad also has a good shot at knocking Frankie out. 100%. I thought if there was a knockout, it would be Chad. The only reason I picked so fucking hard, I mean, he knocked out Ricardo Lamas. I mean, he bangs, and he also loads up. Yes. He's a power puncher. I just figured, for me, I picked Frankie because I knew Frankie wouldn't gas and I think if anything

I thought if Chad had to keep up with Frankie's pace he would gas toward Chad actually came into this fight light because I think he anticipated that kind of pace that Frankie was going to put on him so I was talking to Justin Buckholes and he said that Chad was way lighter for this fight he did a shit ton of cardio

he was embarrassed by the Conor fight that he gassed out so quick obviously he took that fight on two weeks notice which is a joke when you're a big guy like him and you've got to cut weight He did a shit ton of cardio. He was embarrassed by the Conor fight that he gassed out so quick. Obviously, he took that fight on two weeks' notice, which is a joke. When you're a big guy like him and you've got to cut weight to get down to 145, his entire camp was probably all about him losing weight. But this camp, he got in real good shape, and he just got clipped. A lot of these fights, it's a toss-up.

It's so close. The matches were so close. He could have went either way. So many people were so fucking mad at me. After the fight, they give suggestions. The UFC says the truck will say, who do you think should get the next shot? In your ear.

Yeah, they say it's a golden, gold-ass man. And so they had the footage based up for Frankie Edgar. And so I said, honestly, I don't think that a rematch is the right— well, you definitely could do a rematch. The problem with doing a rematch is— With Aldo, with Aldo McGregor. With Aldo, Conor McGregor and Aldo. The problem with doing a rematch is it'd be so hard to sell when a guy gets knocked out that quick.

When you hype it up for as long as you did, you hype it up for two separate events, it dies off, and then the first punch Conor connects with, it puts him out. Here's the argument. But it's hard to sell that. But if you want to look at lineage,

and you look at his history, you'd say, yeah, a guy was a champion for 10 years, he should have a rematch. He deserves it. He wants a rematch. But does he? Here's the thing,

there's a giant list of people. People say that Kane got an immediate rematch as Junior Dos Santos knocked him out, but he didn't. He fought Bigfoot Silva. He knocked out Bigfoot Silva and then he got a rematch. But traditionally, traditionally in boxing, correct me if I'm wrong, we're not in boxing. That's a bad argument. Go off the UFC. So here's

the counter argument. I'm with you. As soon as some people were like, rematch, I'm like, well he just got murked in 13 seconds. There's not much of a rematch. But if you look at the history of the UFC, he should get a rematch just based off the way they usually do things. So we look at Burrow, right? We look at Burrow, he lost, immediate rematch. We look at Anderson Silva, immediate rematch.

You know, there's tons in the history. Ronda Rousey, immediate rematch. Aldo's such a badass, he should get an immediate rematch. You know, there's tons in the history. Ronda Rousey, immediate rematch. Aldo's such a badass, he should get immediate rematch. According to what they've done before. Now, does it make sense? I don't think what they've done before is based, I think a lot of it is based on, like, what kind of compelling contenders do they have for that title.

And especially compelling contenders where you look at their style versus, like, the style of the guy who is now the current champion. And if you wanted to pick the most intriguing stylistic matchup, I think it's Frankie Edgar. Frankie Edgar, a guy who fought at 55, won the title at 55, beat legends in BJ Penn, just knocked out Chad Mendes with one punch. Before that, beat the fuck out of Cub Swanson. No doubt.

I mean, he beat Uriah Faber. He's fucking smushed everybody they put in front of him for a few years now. He's a monster. He deserves it. But how can you give someone, say like Ronda, an immediate rematch and make Holly wait? That's a very good question. I'm not saying that Ronda should get an immediate rematch. It's true.

But for the most part, she's getting an immediate rematch, right? It's guaranteed. Well, that's the plan, but she has to pass the medicals and make sure she's healthy and all that jazz. But the plan is she's going to get the rematch. But that's only financial. Look, financially, the Holly Holm fight with Ronda is the biggest fight for Holly Holm. Holly Holm is going to make like $7 million for the Ronda Rousey.

And that's great. If I was Holly Holm, I mean, she doesn't want to wait. She wants to stay active. And I totally understand that. And I think, you know, it should be her prerogative as a champion to kind of choose.

But financially, that's the smart fight for her. She's going to make the most money. She wants to fight Misha Tate before. Yes, she does. That's what her and her camp wants most money she does she wants to fight me should tape before yes That's what her and her can't do a Misha once I fight UFC saying no and so how can you grant this law? I'm saying you can't play favorites because when the when the when the public smells favorites then you're losing credibility But if you have one time pretty rich is that favorites or is that smart? Financially, what about really good? What about Verdum-Cain?

That's a good question. Immediate rematch. Well, Cain and Verdum were not going to have an immediate rematch. They offered Verdum other fights. And I don't know how they came to the conclusion of Cain fighting, but apparently there was a bunch of other people in the mix, and they came to settle on Cain. It might have been that it was Verdum's choice because of financial reasons.

The Cain fight will be much more financially viable. I get it, man. So what about Hennon Burrell? You know what I'm saying? You give Hennon Burrell. He's not a draw at all. But TJ whoops his ass. You're like, all right, this guy's been a champ for so long.

We give him another win. Well, I see what you're saying, that there should be consistency. There has to be. But also, you can't play favorites. But I actually think. Hold on. You don't know what you're talking about. You can't.

You can't. You can't. You can't play favorites. You know what I'm saying, Joe? Like, you don't know what you're talking about. You can't play favorites. You know what I'm saying, Joe? You can't play favorites. You're interrupting him. But there just has to be some sort of consistency where you just can't play favorites.

Well, this is good here, this is good here. You know what I'm saying? No, I completely agree. And Damian and I brought this up, and it's a great point. It's the same with the rankings. Because who the fuck? Where the fuck are we getting these rankings? Here's one that doesn't make any sense to me.

How come Uriah Hall knocked out Gegard Mousasi? But Gegard Mousasi was ahead of him in the rankings. Knocked him out in his last fight. There's a bunch like that. There's a bunch like that. That's a thing. But that's the most egregious, in my opinion. There's been bigger ones that I've seen.

But most of the fighters, we laugh at the rankings. We used to laugh at the rankings. Like, one and two, whatever. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out one, two. After that, who's voting on these fucking things? I don't know who votes on these things. It's the same thing with a lot of these title shots. Okay, let me ask you this.

But if you want to be taken seriously, it can't be WWE style. Let me ask you this. Do you think there's an inherent problem with the promotion being the UFC also being the ones who dictate who fights for titles? 100%. Because normally it's not. What do you mean by that? The WBC is a sanctioning body for boxing.

The WBC decides who's the mandatory contender. And then Bob Arum or Don King or Golden Boy, those are the decides who's the mandatory contender and then Bob Arum or Don King or Golden Boy those are the ones who promote the fight. The UFC is both. They're the sanctioning body and they're also the promoters of the fight. So they have a vested interest

in going with the best financial option. This is why Tyson Fury was just stripped of his heavyweight title. Tyson Fury just legitimately outboxed Vladimir Klitschko. Beat his ass. Just 100%. It's kind of weird, clunky style. Still won every round. Won every fucking round.

Beat Vladimir Klitschko, guys, and lost in 10 fucking years. And they had an immediate defense of the title that they were imposing on him. And he passed on it. He said, I'm not doing that. They stripped him of his title. This is within weeks of him beating Vladimir Klitschko for the title.

Less than a week. So this is a drastic, drastic, drastic contrast to what the UFC has. The UFC would say, look, I don't care what the ratings are. You're fighting Vladimir Klitschko again because that's where all the fucking money is. Right? And that's what they would do Well think of the NFL and NBA did this you two are MLB if these other major leagues did this you'd have the most popular Team you have a Yankees in the playoffs all the time. You'd have that's not it's not a valid comparison

It is because not because you're talking about why no no because you're talking about teams you're talking about teams versus individuals It's not a valid comparison. Oh man, I disagree. Don't you think, because to play for a championship you have to go through a whole season. You go through a whole season and you have to win to even be in contention to play for the Super Bowl. To be in contention to play for the major leagues. True, but it's still not up in the air. It's very black and white.

When you're in. The UFC's not black and white. Let me ask you guys a question about... That's why it's not a valid comparison. Because you can't set it up so they do that. If you want to get taken serious, you're going to have to come up with a formula where people can see the madness behind your reasoning. Like an algorithm or something, right?

Yes. That's what Damian Maia was saying. Damian Maia was saying that after the... I think he's had, like, I don't know how many victories in a row he's had. But at welterweight, he's been virtually, like, flawless. I mean, I think one person might have beaten him at welterweight. That's crazy. Who beat Damian Maia at welterweight. He's been virtually like flawless. I mean, I think one person might have beaten him at welterweight That's crazy who beat Damian Maya at welterweight, but look Damian Maya made a very good point Damian Maya So he's such a fucking respectful gentleman and such a

Perfect representative of martial arts that guy is a gem the best quote he goes I Just do punching to set up my takedown so I can do jiu-jitsu because I don't want to hurt my opponent. I want to be able to train the next day because I just want to get in there and win by jiu-jitsu so I can go back to training and they can go back to training. He's one of the good ones. He's amazing. He's the fucking young guy destroyer though.

Hey, let's quit tossing these young up and comers and he just rapes them. No! Who cares about the age? Neil Magny, Gunner, just nom nom nom nom nom. Set it up. Let him choke them all. Okay, so, Rory McDonald beat him. That was the last guy at welterweight, and right before that was Jake Shields beat him, which was a great

fucking fight, man. But that was a split decision. Rory beat him. Unanimous decision. Split decisions are so weird, because sometimes they are clear, you just got an idiot judge. And I don't remember that fight. How about Romero and Jacare? That was a very close fight. I almost thought it was going to be a draw or split decision for Jacare. It could have been. Well, I thought it could have been a draw. Because I think Yoel definitely got a 10-8 round the first round, but the question is will they score a 10-8 round the first round, but the question is, will they score a 10-8 round? When you got a guy completely on queer

street, he's spinning it up, backfist him in the jaw, knock him down. And Jacare was, he got up to his after he took a fucking prolonged beating on the ground. He got hit with some bombs by Yoel. He gets up to go to his corner, and he

is on wobbly legs. Like, they could have easily stopped the fight. And I was thinking that they should have stopped the fight. But Jacare being the stud that he is, came back and reestablished himself in the second round partially because Yoel gassed. Because Yoel who looks

like a fucking superhero. The most ridiculous stud at three. You need three minutes. That's why if he fights Luke Rockhold and tries to go five rounds per game- This is my thing, Joe. You can't give- I thought after that fight, whoever wins, you can't give those guys a title shot.

You do Weidman, Rockhold, two. You don't give the winner that bullshit title shot, I don't think. I think you can make a real good point to that. But this sort of contradicts what you said about having a very clear algorithm as far as, like, who becomes the number one contender and who fights who. But this is the thing. I'm going based off past UFC history. You know what I think they should do? I really think this.

I think there should be a way where people sign in on Facebook. You know, like, you sign in using your Facebook so we know you're a real person. And the public votes. Then you also have the media vote. You have the mixed martial arts media. Like the guys who- It's like the Golden Globes almost. Yeah, something like that.

And then you have fighters vote. Fighters is a good idea. So just like how you have three judges that score a fight, you have three sources that you use to pick who the contenders are. That's a good idea. And who the number one contender is. I like it. That's the wisdom of crowds. I think it's a bad idea and I think it's going to lead to a lot of

trouble if you just leave it up to the UFC brass to make all those decisions. Even though I work for the UFC and I've worked for the UFC forever, people ask me questions, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who the fuck does it. I don't know who makes the rankings. I don't know shit. When I get to work, this is what I do. When I get to the UFC, I say hi to everybody.

I hug everybody. I get excited. I go, I can't fucking believe this. I start going over the matchups. I've already watched video on fucking everybody on the card pretty much by then. And when I say I don't do research, I'm kind of full of shit. But it's not that I don't. I don't do it as research. I just do it

because I go, oh, Colby Covington. How's he fucking going to handle this dude? This guy's got a nasty... Weaver Alves got a fucking wicked guillotine. If he tries to take this kid to the ground, he's going to shoot for that double. He's going to get caught in that guillotine. It's not your job to know all that stuff, though. Weaver Alves is a fucking nasty kickboxer. He's going to want to take this guy down.

It is my job, sort of. I'm saying you shouldn't know like the rankings and everyone decides But I'm just saying that I would I would do everything that I do Even if I wasn't working for the you're right just cuz I'm right freaking out about these events And that's just what I get your pass, but let me at that, but I was like I don't know What the fuck is going on besides that when I get there when I show up? I see my eyes I get my shit. They put the mic on me, I high-five Goldberg, we hug each other, here we go. You know what the thing is, though?

I don't know what's going on. We care more about your opinion than, you know, especially the public. Well, it's an informed opinion. Well, some people are mad, though. This is what we got into the beginning, that I said that I don't think that it's smart to have Aldo fight right away. My opinion is that, first of all, Aldo got knocked dead. Okay, when you get knocked dead like that, you need a long time off. You need at least six months off. Conor McGregor could fight next Tuesday. Yes. And I think that

Frankie Edgar could also fight next Tuesday. Yes, 100%. I also think that that fight will be fucking bananas. And for a fan, I am so excited to watch that fight because I think Frankie has a really dangerous style for a guy like Conor who's taken down repeatedly by Chad Mendes. True. He's a fucking nasty wrestler. He is. His cardio is off the chain. His footwork is fantastic. He's got Mark Henry in his corner.

They're going to come up with a badass game plan between Henry and Kavanaugh and Frankie, who's a fucking winner, and Conor, who's a fucking winner. What? God damn, right? How about this, Joe? Wait, let me ask this question. What would you be most excited about? You ready for this?

Yes. Cowboy to beat Dos Anjos. Dos Anjos, Conor in Dublin in front of 80,000 fans. Oh, yeah, 100%. Huh? 100%. Huh? 100%.

You're right. Think about marketing the title Donald Cerrone, Conor. What the fuck? Wait, wait, wait. Let me just say one thing. That's a giant if. Yeah. Rafael Dos Anjos is a fucking beast, and I think those two are going to clash, and who

knows what's going to happen, especially since Dos Anjos beat Cowboy the first fight. I think it's going to be a wild, wicked fight. Drug testing. No, but you're right. Oh, drug testing. Did you just say drug testing? There's going to be a wild, wicked fight. Oh, drug testing. Did you just say drug testing? Take me back for a second. Let me say one thing about you've got to give

Jose Aldo a rematch, in my opinion, for two reasons. One, I think that at the end of the day he was the champion for 10 years and if anybody's earned a shot. Two, I believe I think Conor McGregor has a secret, which is

he's watching these guys strike and knows something they don't know. He's somehow I don't know. That two doesn't matter. Hold on, hold on. Because that's just saying who you think is going to win. What I'm saying is this. When you knock a champion who's been that dominant and that good for 10 years out in 14 seconds seconds there is the

question there is a question which is was that in some ways a fluke what did he make one mistake and pay for it which can happen in mma with those small gloves does he get another shot to at least give us a longer connor goes he's going to come out extremely aggressive i'm going to count and i know that and i called it to a T. Did you see the video of him warming up in the dressing room? And then in contrast, like a split screen with him warming up right next to the actual fight itself. He was preparing exactly for that maneuver. And he's mimicking all those face-first movement.

And he does this little slight step to his right-hand side. He makes an adjustment. He throws the first left hand. first land doesn't land so if you watch him moving he throws that sidekick to the leg then he makes a very slight step to the right Aldo moves to the right hand counters him with the left boom he knows something that that's what I'm saying is I think that he would fight him again and knock him out again but that's irrelevant I think I think the champion gets a rematch.

I mean, I think he deserves it. I really do. Jose Aldo will be. But here's the thing. It ties up the title for a long time. And you have all these contenders. You have an amazing list of contenders. How about this?

How about you have Jose Aldo fight Max Holloway, and you have a fucking great fight between one of the top contenders and Max Holloway, this young, exciting kid, 24 years old, beating everybody, just figured out Jeremy Stevens. He's elusive. He's slick. He puts on a fucking show. He's a motherfucker. He has crazy cardio.

He's driven and fired up. And you can't quite have him fight for the title yet because Frankie's ahead of him. And, you know, the division is super exciting. Frankie fucking cleared the way, man. Frankie was pissed he didn't get the shot when Chad got it. After he beat Uriah, they thought that Frankie, his safety first style against Uriah was boring. He wanted decision.

He didn't try to finish him. Chad went out and blew Ricardo Lamas out of the water. Chad gets the shot. And Frankie's like, what the fuck? Look what I did to Cub Swanson. Look what I did to all these other people. So then what does he do? He goes out there and takes it out on Chad. And murks him.

Murks him. Puts him away. In my opinion, as a fan, I'm excited to see that. I think here's another thing. I really believe this wholeheartedly and I think this is a very important point. Fighters should wait a long fucking time after they get knocked out like that.

True. He got cleaned. He got flatlined. And then he got hammer-fisted while he was out. That's true. He got up, and he was asking what happened. He was putting his hands up. He was going, I don't know what he's saying because he was speaking in Portuguese.

Because he was shaking his head, and they were nodding their head. They were saying, yes, it happened. He goes, no, no, no. And they were going, yes, yes, yes. Here's the other thing, Joe, that a lot of people aren't talking about i hate to be a stickler and i took some fucking shit for saying this you're batshit crazy if you don't think jose aldo's body looked different you're batshit crazy if you think he's gonna fight the same also and all these people want to give me all the shit for it his camp i think is one in seven

oh and eight since his drug testing came out. So you're talking about a different fighter, man. A completely different fighter. So for me, that's a huge X factor. There was a leaked audio from inside the truck of me saying that. When the audio goes out, there's an audio feed when the main event happens. And when that main event audio feed goes out, anybody could listen to it. It is picking up the feed to air it and broadcast.

And I said that his body looked just deflated. It looked smooth. And that I felt like he looked really nervous. I said he looked nervous as fuck. And I said, I don't want to jump to conclusions. He might just be doing a lot of cardio, which is possible. Because one of all those big problems, and Dana White said this a perfect

way of describing it that Aldo's the very best fighter ever for two rounds and then he would always gas and then he would always sort of coast like Ricardo Lamas he beat the shit out of Lamas the first round the end of the fifth round Ricardo Lamas was on top grounding Palinik to Mark Hominick same goddamn thing well he was on antibiotics with Hominick but yeah for staff I think so that was I never heard that yeah where'd you hear that he was on antibiotics with Hominic, but yeah, for staff, I think. So that was... I never heard that. Yeah. Where'd you hear that?

I think when he fought Hominic, he had just done... He'd had staff and he'd done a whole thing on antibiotics. Google that, Jamie. Jamie, see if that's true. But, well, how about Luke Rockhold won the fucking title on antibiotics. Denny Propokos won his first match in EBI yesterday. He was dying of staph. If you've taken antibiotics, they're a motherfucker.

Danny was in the hospital for weeks. Wow. Danny was dying from staph just a couple of months ago. Were you surprised by Luke's domination like that? Totally surprised. Yeah. Totally surprised by a lot of things. We totally should get to that.

Yeah. But I don't know if Aldo had concentrated more on cardio or if he had gotten off steroids. But I do know, and this is with nonspecific, there's a huge problem in MMA with steroids. It is a huge problem. And that problem is being cut away like cancer by this new program by Jeff Nowitzki. I also know that they tried to test Aldo in camp and all those people had the cops pulled on these people. They wanted to get him kicked out of the country. They were trying to deport them out of the country. Then when they finally

did give him a urine sample, he tripped and spilled his piss. Is this not weird to anyone? That's insane. It doesn't take anything away. I've never tripped and spilled piss in my entire career. Ever. Honestly, I have. I piss in cups all the time. It doesn't take never to away spilled piss in my entire career All the time it does it turns out feather alder was covering from an undisclosed infection it was on antibiotics Come on guys. I should know that it doesn't take away

Anything that all has done his career even if he is I'm not saying he's never failed a test So who knows right when he did Lance Armstrong? There you go all I'm saying is all I'm saying is insane with never failed a test, so who knows. When he did Lance Armstrong. There you go. All I'm saying is, same with Lance Armstrong, same with baseball, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa. The guy's throwing the pitch on some shit. Everyone's on some shit. All is great. No matter whether he's honored or not, he's greatness. Listen, Jose Aldo is one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters ever. For sure.

Ever. Ever. And to go on a 10-year run like that, you know, and the UFC has said, like, hey, you know, he plays it safe and he goes to decisions. He shouldn't do that. But you know what else? He's great. But here's the thing. He fucking wins.

Yes. And, like, him risking losing, like, to unload on somebody, like Uriah Faber did. Like, Uriah Faber fought Frankie Saenz. And Uriah sort of faded in that fight. But the reason why he faded is because he landed a bomb on Frankie Sines, rocked him, and then went after him. Blew his load. That fucking Frankie Sines guy is tough as shit.

Because this is a 35-year-old guy who's got, like, one other fight in the UFC, maybe two, okay? And then he's fighting Uriah motherfucking Faber, okay? Which is crazy. He's ranked 13, yeah. Yeah, but Uriah Faber is,, okay, which is crazy. He's ranked 13. Yeah. Yeah I mean it's but Uriah Faber is like one of the most experienced guys and one of the best guys ever to not win a UFC Title right he's only lost title fight. Yeah, so he bombs on this guy

He nails him with a knee to the I think was a temple hurts him hurts him bad I mean the kids all over the place and Uriah is unloading on him, and somehow the guy survives. And then Uriah is like, he's like, oh, boy. You can see on his face. He's like, Jesus. He took a deep breath and kind of looked at the clock. You know better than anybody that when you unload like that, that's never how anybody fights. So when you unload like that, you're going all in.

You're pushing all your chips, and this guy just pulls out four aces. You're like, fuck. Boom, bitch. Yeah, but that's when you got to use Carwin Lesnar. Carwin Lesnar is the perfect example. That's number one. You guys never use palm strike. That might be it.

Dude, how about Uriah goes, our friendship's done. TJ Dillashaw, Uriah. What? Yeah. Why? He was saying it's going to be like Rocky and the good guy's going to win. Wait, why? What happened?

Him and TJ, they had a falling out because TJ went to Mus muscle farm muscle farm offered him damn it but i don't follow the well the reason one of the reasons why tj went to muscle farm is two reasons one money but two duane ludwig yeah duane ludwig and tj have a fantastic working relationship duane ludwig is a fucking he's got some crazy mental disorder that makes him concentrate on fighting every single second of every day. I think he's got a running thing. I think he could be hanging out with his wife, going to the movies, eating dinner, talking about baseball. In the back of his head, he's watching counter right hands, leg kicks, movement. Obsession.

He's like the Rain Man of fighting. He's obsessed, man. He's obsessed. And that's exactly what you want from a trainer TJ recognizes that and his personality and Dwayne's personality jive Whereas your bias personality and Dwayne's personality were water and oil they fucking clashed Hardcore and you're right never wanted to have anything to do with that guy He's like fuck this guy and and Dwayne and him didn't get along and Dwayne was like fuck him and they argued about stupid shit

And you know here's something that a lot of people don't know. There was a point in time where we were considering buying that gym. Onnit was going to. Onnit. Yeah, we were going to buy the ultimate training center. We were thinking about buying it and making that team like an Onnit team. And we were talking to those guys about how to make this work. But it was right when they were starting to go at it.

When Dwayne and Uriah were trying to go at it. And we were like, first of all, I was going to have to figure out, like, how would I do this and be impartial? Right. It's very difficult to do. It's very difficult. You're like, I love Cowboy Cerrone. I fucking love that guy.

He's awesome. I hang out with him when I'm in Denver. Love him. He's the shit. The best. The best. He's just an amazing personality. I just want to hug him when I see him. Yeah Love him. He's the shit of people. The best. He's just an amazing personality. I just want to hug him when I see him.

Yeah, you want to be around Calvin. Yeah. And he's just a true badass to his bone. I respect, I deeply respect Rafael dos Anjos. I think he's a great fighter. I think he's a great guy. I went to see him. He's very friendly.

And, you know, I was, who was telling me that they were, who the fuck was it? God damn it. i'm drawing a blank someone was telling me that they they were um hanging out with him somewhere and he was like helping them out and telling them where the best places to go with me in brazil oh that's right thank jesus christ brother oh my god i feel like the nicest guy ever he's also do ufc now with him every now and then he's a great guy. So I have to be completely impartial. I have to figure out how to separate myself. But is it even – can you even ask – can I ask myself to do that if I owned a gym and I had fighters that were fighting against guys who weren't –

Like your team that you own, basically. Yeah. You know what? I mean, I don't know, man. Everybody always thinks – people are always going to feel like you're biased in some way or another. If they're rooting for someone and you're calling the fight against that person that they're rooting for, they're going to consider it some sort of bias. I think you do.

I've never heard you be biased when you call fights. I've definitely been biased. When I fought Orlovsky, you were like, fuck that Russian. I was like, oh, shit, Joe. Damn, dog. Take his ass down. No one's ever been harder than you. It was the hardest fights shit, Joe. Damn, dog. Take his ass down. No one's ever been harder than you. It was the hardest fights ever to call.

Yeah. Because, like, you know, when you lost to Travis, like, I was broken up, man. It was hard. You turned to me and you said, at least he didn't get hurt. That's the important thing. It was hard. That was hard. Callan was right behind me.

He was sitting right behind me. Yeah. That was a hard fight. I remember when the Orlovsky fight he came in you're like close yeah

that was a fuck well it was close it was super close super close fight but again you know it's it's a tricky

so this is all we were just talking about Dwayne and Uriah like they just didn't get along which is so it's so it's such a fucking bummer.

Because if their personalities did, I almost felt like, man, if there's a middleman here that comes in and sorts all this stuff, like, what is, I felt like, what is the issue? Is this a financial thing? It's just a personality thing. It's two alphas, personalities, guys, guys who get territorial, guys who want, you know, the police system. Uriah is a really strong personality. And he's also super organized and super successful and super focused. Uriah is a very admirable person. When you watch how he conducts business.

And also, look at the tight-knit bond that he's created with his team. You only create that kind of a bond when you're that kind of a leader. Yeah. You know, and that's what he is. And so for him, when TJ took off and went to this muscle farm camp, I'm sure there was like a knife in his back. Yeah. It was fucking devastating.

Well, TJ and Uriah should fight no matter what happens with TJ and Dominic Cruz. That fight has to happen. You really think so? I'm so excited about the TJ and Dominic Cruz. 100%. Just for the excitement of it? Yes. The backstory. We love a good story. You know what I'm saying? It'd be so dope.

Yeah, we do. That Dominic Cruz-TJ fight might be one of the greatest fights ever. What if Dominic wins and then Uriah and TJ fight for number one contender status? But Uriah and Dominic have a history too. That's not a bad story either too that's not a bad story either it's

not a bad story can you can you think of another more compelling contender that would be ahead of uriah besides tj like say if dominic beats tj or well whoever wins that fight who would be next in line for the title instead of uriah. Who else? Hennenbrough. Isn't it hard? You could make the argument. You could make the argument, but he'd have to win again. He got destroyed in his last fight. TJ didn't just beat him. He lit him up like a Christmas tree,

covered him with gasoline, and lit him on fire. Drug testing. Drug testing. And threw him off a cliff. I mean, there was not a moment in that fight other than the first initial exchanges where he was fired up. It was like bully beat down. I feel like TJ and Dominic Cruz have such similar styles.

I almost feel like Dwayne watched a lot of Dominic Cruz fights. Am I wrong about that? Well, there's a lot of guys that are employing that sort of neo-footwork movement now. But I think Dominic was the best at it the earliest he's he's so elusive it's like so like like you get used to a guy like here's a different weight class but there's a quintessential like muay thai style striker like tiago silva stands right in front of you and he's got that fucking rhythm and he's you know he's not not mobile and then you got the complete polar opposite, which is like Conor.

Conor is like when you see Conor fighting Aldo, he's sliding in, he's sliding out. He's very difficult to judge. In my opinion, the best ever at that is Dominic. Dominic's all over the place. He's fucking moving, he's sliding, he's over here, he's over there, and you're trying to figure out when you can uncork a punch. Good luck timing that guy. Have you ever had a conversation with Dominic?

No. Very, very smart guy. He might have the highest MMA IQ I've ever seen. Wow. I agree with you. I agree with you. His IQ is insane. He's my favorite out of those guys that breaks down fights and analyzes what went wrong and why it went wrong.

He's a real student. One time Dominic and Chael Sonnen and myself went to Unbreakable Gym, and we were training with Chael before Chael was fighting Jon Jones, and we were training Chael, and Dominic was breaking things down. I was like, holy fuck. This kid's an oracle. And also, he's had all this time while he's been injured to think and work on things, and it's not like he stopped paying attention to mma

like he's he's been focusing on it whereas you know if he hadn't been injured he'd be in camps getting ready for fights like almost it might have benefited his mma iq to have that time off and to be obsessed with returning true what about what about he's gonna have a chance he tore both acls and you've had that surgery can you get get, when you get ACL surgery nowadays, is your knee as strong? Stronger. It's stronger. Stronger. It's stronger.

Quite a bit stronger. Really? My right knee has a cadaver graft. It had a cadaver graft. And what the cadaver graft does is they take an Achilles tendon, which is way thicker than a regular ACL. is they take an Achilles tendon which is way thicker than a regular ACL and then they put it in place and then your body re proliferates that it acts as a scaffolding and your not stem cells your body's grows like they risk that they connect it and your body starts putting blood through it and then growing new

tissue Wow so your your ACL becomes your own. Like I had a cadaver graft, but those cells are not cadaver cells that are in my knee. They're your cells now. Those are my cells. But it's way thicker than it would have been. It's 150% stronger than a regular ACL. Jesus Christ. So that's the case maybe with Dominic's knees now.

He tore the same one twice and then tore the other one. He tore one twice, tore the other one, then he tore his groin. Yes. And he broke both his hands. He's a fragile guy. Yeah. Like when I had him on one of those UFC interview shows, he was joking around.

He was showing me scars in his hands. He's got bitch hands. It is what it is. He's a motherfucker. This guy, Gray Cook, he does full, like the NFL now has what's called a full body screening or some functional body screening. The UFC's got that now too with their new campus. Because they were finding – they would bring him in and he would find like they have these amazing athletes. And then one guy kept tearing – he'd run and he kept tearing his groin.

He kept tearing the tendon that attached his – like to his pelvis to his quad. And they couldn't figure it out. And he's the guy who comes in and goes, I know what the problem is. You're off balance. One side of your body is stronger than it out. And he's the guy who comes in and goes, I know what the problem is. You're off balance. One side of your body is stronger than the other, and that's a huge issue. It's really common. Yeah, so now training centers around basically finding out where you're weak. You know what's really common?

With pitchers, because you're throwing with one arm, and kickers, like NFL kickers, they have real problems with that, like back problems and shit. Because you're always kicking that one leg. Boxing is the same way. For Dominic, though, it's years of wrestling. Then he's a champion forever. He's only had one loss. It adds up. You can chalk it up to imbalance.

No, man. The only guy that ever beat him was Uriah. Uriah caught him with a guillotine. Uriah gets your neck. You got fucking giant problems. People forget Don McCruise beat Demetrius Johnson. He beat DJ. Damn. But they also forget that was DJ that didn't live

anywhere near Matt Hume. He was coming into town once a week. This is a fact. He wasn't training. The Ian McCall fight was the big turnaround for DJ. And I had him on the podcast, and he talked about it. Because, you know, Ian fucking rattled his cage and hurt him. He had vertigo after that fight.

He was pretty fucked up. And Matt Hume pulled him aside and said, look, you've got to stop fucking around. Like, we're going to do this, or you should maybe get an education. Like, you should figure out what the fuck you're going to do with your life. But this ain't it. Like, you've got to figure it out. And so he went went all in moved near the the gym and now he's there five days a week and look at him now i'm just saying dom beat him yeah he did different one though and different weight class different weight class different guy now yeah i mean dimitri's a tiny guy

he's much smaller than dominic dom's tiny too he is thin but he's taller and longer and bigger and like 135 is a cut for him. Demetrius Johnson has to put a rock in his pocket to make 135. Wow. He's not a big guy. They're both different fighters. Yeah. Completely different. Totally different fighters. They're much better now. Both of them are. Both of them are better now. I'm fucking so

excited for that fight. I'm going to be there. It's in January. Boston, right? Yep. TJ, motherfucker. Are you doing the Florida card? Tomorrow? Or next week, rather? Yeah. TJ. Are you doing the Florida card? Tomorrow or next week, rather? Yeah. Yeah. This weekend. Friday, Saturday, whatever it is.

Yeah, that's a good card. That's a good card. Really good card. That's Orlovsky versus, I mean, not Orlovsky. That's Boston. Junior Dos Santos versus Alistair Overeem is on that card, too. Ooh. Diaz Johnson.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Michael Johnson versus Nate Diaz. Jury's on that fight card, too. Miles Jury. Miles Jury, is he? I like him. Is Miles Jury down to 145 now? Yeah.

Rafael Dos Anjos. Look at the size of Dos Anjos' head. Look at that head. Yeah. My lord. Jury. Yeah, there's Jury or Olivia. The fucking fight.

God damn it. Charles Oliveira. C.B. Dalloway. Oh, my God. I didn't even know that was on the card. Hey, Nate. Is that it? What do you want to tell him?

Stop. I love him. It's been rough watching him the last few fights. Do you think CB just chases after him, puts it to him? Yes. Yeah. You kind of got it, right? Yeah.

That's what you do. That's how you beat Nate. Get on his back foot and throw bombs. He just seems like he's absorbed so much punishment over the last few years. It's a bummer, man. It is a bummer. CB's been on a streak until he got dealt with. Yeah.

I mean, CB, Liotto beat him. He hurt him with that body kick. Bad. And who else beat him? The Doberman. Liotto really fucked him up. That's what ended his streak. That left kick, man.

That left kick of Liotto's is nasty. This card's super interesting, man. Dos Santos over him. I don't know what to tell you. Again, testing's going to be a motherfucker. Is that what you think? 100%. This fight should have happened three years ago when it was all fucking the Wild Wild West.

I thought they fought before. Didn't they fight before? Is this the first time they're fighting? No, Brian. This is the first time they're fighting. How do you know so much about Mark Harmonic versus Jose Aldo? I'll make another call. I'll tell you something else.

I'll tell you something else. Random facts. I'll tell you something else. I'd like to see. You guys are going to laugh at me. I'd like to see something. I'd like to see my boyfriend. I'm going to say it.

Don't say something stupid. I'd like to see my boyfriend. And he is my boyfriend, Luke Rockhold, and my best friend. Because I've had dinner with him and hung out with him. I'd like to see him fight Jon Jones. There, I said it. But he's just won the middleweight title. Hey, man, I know what he won, bro.

Can you ask him to leave? I know what he won. Okay, that's nice. Hey, Jon is going to heavyweight. Whatever weird fantasy shit that you have in your head. Yeah, it is fantasy shit, so stay out of my head. Because it's dirty. So stay out of my head.

You know, when you see Weidman versus Rockhold, and then Weidman wanted to fight Jon Jones for the light heavyweight title. It's a bad idea. Yeah. Weidman's movement wasn't the same. Weidman looked off to me. He lost a lot of weight. He was in the 190s.

Why are you looking at me like that? I'm just... I don't think so. No, me neither. I don't think so. I think that was a strategy where he said, I'm going to... He gave me that he's on steroids, but that's just not the guy. No, not at all.

I don't like it. No, this is the something's up. Something's up. I think Weidman said, I'm going to come in there. I'm going to be light. I'm going to hit him with pace, a cardio pace, and I'm going to wear him down. He didn't move, though. Well, I think he did do that.

I think that was what he was trying to do. I mean, he was throwing a lot of not full power kicks to the body, but a lot of pressure. Yep. A lot of pressure with his grappling. He just fucked up throwing that wheel kick, man. Stay in your lane, son. Oh, my God. What the fuck are you doing?

That was one of the biggest mistakes in the history of MMA and championship fights. I agree. 100%. It's not like a mistake like you go throw a leg kick and you get countered with the right hand and you get hurt. That's normal stuff. This is a crazy acrobatic move that he's not good at. That cost you the fight. Yeah, he's channeling Vitor.

Yeah, he probably was, right? Because that's what knocked out Rockhold. Maybe he thought he was a sucker for wheel kicks. The grind is working. When he's taking him down and starting to wear Luke out, especially that we knew Luke was on antibiotics. Fuck yeah, keep doing that. I don't think he knew.

He knew that Luke's pace was slowing down you could tell I think what happened was he realized that he was a lot stronger than Chris Weidman he looked just stronger bigger and I think he went you know what I wrestle with Cain Velasquez and Daniel Cormier I'm stronger and bigger than this guy and that's what happened

I think he just started no that's not what happened at all. He caught him, he made a mistake, and he took him down. He threw a wheel kick and literally gave his fucking body up. He got taken down, and when Rockhold gets you on the ground, his fucking top game is nasty. Super nasty. You saw it against Lyoto Machida.

I would like to see Rockhold in just straight-up Brazilian jiu-jitsu competition. I bet he is at a very high level. A motherfucker. I just think that's why I'd like to see Rockhold in just straight-up Brazilian jiu-jitsu competition. I bet he is at a very high level. A motherfucker. I just think that's why I'd like to see a rematch. Say that back kick doesn't happen, we got a hell of a fight on our hands. That's a hell of a fight anyway, because that back kick, that happened in the third round. This is a fourth-round stoppage. And I had it one-to-one.

Yeah. I had it one-to-one. It was a really good fight. It's not like Weidman came out, guns blazing face first, and Rockhold connected with a straight left like Conor and Aldo. This was like a war, and then at the end of the war, you know, I mean, Rockhold got the advantage, never let it go. But he was also hitting Weidman in the face more.

I feel like he was, I feel as though he was kind of standing on the edge of that pocket, and he has hands down, and I felt like rockhold seemed so confident maybe he was gassed but he looked like he was just confident enough to just he knew where those shots were coming and they would counter he was hitting him in the face more well when weidman was pressuring him he's kicking him his body it was like weidman's kicks were really paying off to the body he's throwing a lot of body kicks so were luke's though in the beginning of the fight they were hard but then after he you didn't like land any flesh yeah god he kicks hard god your cave side what does that look like it must be he's one of the

hardest kickers in the division for sure rock holds long and you know what's interesting when i talked to javier mendez i said did he have a traditional martial arts background he goes nope he came to me when he was 17 i'm like that's crazy surfer yeah because when you watch like the flexibility and dexterity, the looseness of his legs, when he throws that question mark kick off the front leg, he's so fucking loose. Cerrone style.

Yeah, it's like Cerrone's had Muay Thai for fucking years and years. But look at Rockhold's genetics. His dad was a professional basketball player. His brother's a professional surfer. And you have this monster just looming, waiting to find something. And then he found his call in MMA. At 17?

I think what we get, I think what we're starting to see is we're getting guys who are martial artists, but they're really good athletes, and that's who's taking over. Holly Holm. John Jones. Freak athlete. John Jones. Freak athlete. Look at all of them.

All these guys. I think you're totally right. Rockhold. Freak athlete. Yep, yep. I think you're totally right. Rockhold, freak athlete. Yep, yep. I think you're totally right. I think, but it's just so shocking to me, out of all those that I see, well, Holly obviously has a long, extensive kickboxing background.

Winkle John is a fantastic trainer. But the thing that freaks me out the most about Rockhold is the flexibility and dexterity of his legs. It takes so long to develop that kind of whip. You know, like his kicks aren't just hard like weidman has strong kicks they're strong like he throws them but there's a stiffness to him that rock hole doesn't have rock hole's got like a taekwondo thing going on big yes he's a big fucking he's like my size he was 216 in in in san jose when we were hanging i i said how much do

you weigh he's like sure 166. Of course I did. I took him in. He's mounted in your face. I took him in. I took him in. Don't kid yourself. Had my hand on his back a couple times. Dropped his trap.

I'm not making this up either. Brian came back from hanging out with Luke. So sad. Got his haircut just like him. I went, what the fuck are you doing? He goes, bro, I was around Luke, so I wanted to get my haircut like him. I went, you're 48 copying a dumb man. I looked him in the eye, and I went, I got this. He got his haircut exactly like Luke. We go to a bar and i looked at my one of those and we

caught eyes and i looked at him and i went i told you and he goes he smiled he went six three and i go of course you are and i looked at his hair and i go i don't like how you got deeper with your voice yeah we had a moment guys we had a. And then I went right to supercuts for $12. And I go, I want my haircut. And I look terrible. Give me a picture of Luke Rockhold that you fucking printed. My friend Tark, who trains Luke, goes, hey, Callan's here. I think you'd suck Luke's dick if we asked him to. You should say something.

You can take I think out of that sentence. All right, I'll do it just as a goof. Don't tell anybody. That's a goof. What a shocking moment. What a shocking turn of event. That one wheel kick changes the entire fight. Did you see Chris crying?

Yeah. It was also the pressure that Rockhold put on him, I think, surprised Weidman. Like when Rockhold mounted him. You're for sure not going to eat those on camera. I would never eat those. When Rockhold mounted him and he couldn't get him going to eat those on camera. I would never eat those. When Rockhold mounted him and he couldn't get them off of him, I think he was fucking shocked.

Especially when, you know, Wyman has really good jiu-jitsu. When he felt Rockhold's pressure, I think he was just, it's the first time he's ever been taken down. First time his back's been on the mat. He's like, no, he's stronger. Oh, fucking G.

He's stronger than he is. It's the technique too, though. He is stronger. His technique was superior. It was amazing to see. Yeah, it was amazing to see. He's a fucking beast.. It's the technique, too, though. He is stronger. His technique was superior. It was amazing to see. Yeah, it was amazing to see. He's a fucking beast. And I think you can't underestimate the benefit of training with Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez,

the heavyweight, former heavyweight champion, and the light heavyweight champion. Dude, there's a chance they could have the heavyweight champ, light heavyweight champ, and now middleweight champ all training together. All came up together. How crazy is that? It is a possibility, but the light heavyweight, you've got to put a little asterisk next to it. Well, I'm just saying right now, son. I'm just saying right now.

You've got to put a little asterisk. Oh, big asterisk. Little? No, that motherfucker's big. Especially now. Now that John's deadlift and 600 pounds. I'm on Instagram and I watch him. I get nervous.

I throw my phone away. I run out the door. I don't want to be around it. I get nervous. I throw my phone away. Run out the door. I don't want to be around it. It's crazy. John's a monster. Right now, he's also a monster that's overcoming a really bad moment in his life. And he's on the straight and narrow now. He's on the path.

He got scared. Well, he should be. And those are good things to happen to you. You know, sometimes, you know, I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I love a comeback story. I fucking, I like a guy who does the right thing and gets it all together, and I love that. But I also like a guy who fucks his life up and then pulls it all together. I think you need that darkness, though.

I don't think John should be someone who he's not. You know what I'm saying? Doing all this stuff is great, but be the heel, man. Be the fucking joker of the UFC And fucking destroy people I think he wants to be Jon Jones I don't think Jon thinks of himself as a bad guy And I don't think he is a bad guy I think he's a young guy who's trying to have fun

And he's made some mistakes That's what I think I don't think he's a bad person I don't think he's a bad person I think he's a far cry from Holly Holm You know what I'm saying? He's a far cry from Holly Holm Holly Hol. You know what I'm saying? You're right. He's a far cry from Holly Holm. Holly Holm is the perfect representative.

I talked to her after the fight. Nicest person of all time? Yeah. Oh, she might be, easily. I talked to her after the fight this weekend, and we were hanging out, her and her husband. I said, congratulations. How's it feel? She's like, it still feels weird.

It doesn't feel real. I'm doing so many. She goes, but I don't even want to think about it. She goes, I just want to get back to training because i don't want to get a big head and you know and she knows the traps and we were talking about the fight and she was you know saying she said look the reality is what happened tonight to jose aldo could have happened to me it can happen to anybody she goes you get caught with a punch and you get knocked out it's happened she's been the sport too long i think to get a big head. I think she realizes the traps

and she's been fighting for world champions before so she doesn't want to fall in that same kind of rut that Ronda did. Also, if you're going to give this fight to, let's say they do do it in July, whatever, the UFC 200, you give Holly six months to know exactly what Ronda brings to the table

and train for it, come up with a better game plan than she had before. And make sure that her conditioning is on point. Make sure her body's healthy. Rehabilitate any possible injuries she might have had. She just has to make sure she doesn't overtrain. But you've got to remember, Ronda's shooting movies. Well, Holly can game plan.

But when has anybody ever overtrained at Jackson Winklejohn? They're super smart about that kind of shit. Jackson is really fucking smart about strategy. He's really smart about strategy. He's really smart about preparation. They've got some hardcore training ethics in that gym.

Oh, yeah. And, of course, you've got Winklejohn, who's... Winklejohn was a fantastic kickboxer. Amazing. And he's a really good coach.

And Jackson is a really good strategist, and they've got excellent training partners, and you've got all this motivation. Think about their lineup. You've got Greg Jackson, right and you've got all this motivation. Think about their lineup.

You've got Greg Jackson, right? He's like the fucking Yoda of MMA. He's been doing it forever. He's a genius game planner. Then you've got Winkle John, who's a phenomenal coach, obviously. And then you've got Izzy, who does the wrestling. He does Jon Jones. Israel Martinez.

Izzy's a motherfucker out of Chicago, man. He's an outstanding wrestling instructor. He's good friends with my buddy Justin Milos, who's my trainer. With all that experience, game planning for somebody, what I love about MMA now is that it really is about your team, just the brains behind you as well, just the strategy. It has to be. It has to be. There are no lone wolves anymore.

I had a conversation with John before he moved to albuquerque we had this conversation may or may not have been smoking marijuana and uh we were in my hotel room in montreal and he was you know before he won the title like way before and i said look dude i go you're an incredibly talented guy but you got to get all the right people the only way to do it right you can't do it on your own because there's going to be a guy like you who's also incredibly talented and that guy's going to have the best coaches. It's a team effort. And that guy's going to get the best training partners and that guy's going to have the best strategists and that guy's going to beat you. And he might just beat you by an edge, but that edge you could have overcome if you had all that same coaching. And I think a guy

like John also, he grew up with two super athlete brothers, one older, one younger. Freaks. And I think he recognizes that he might be special compared to the average person. Not to his brothers. Not even in his own house. Yeah. His brother, Arthur, was doing MMA on the side while he was playing for the NFL and beating John's ass. God.

I mean, it's just a freak. And he's a heavyweight champ in high school, his brother. Yeah. Just wrestling the fuck out of John. And then the youngest brother is one of the best players in the NFL. Yeah. What mean, and he's a freak. And he's a heavyweight champ in high school, his brother. Yeah. Just wrestling the fuck out of John. And then the youngest brother is one of the best players in the NFL.

Yeah. What the fuck? First round draft pick. So I think John had a unique point of view as to what freak athleticism really is and about hard work

and talent, you know? Yeah. I think he just was getting by in the UFC without having to go 100% as far as his training and his preparation.

His 100's gonna be scary if he gets preparation. His 100 is going to be scary. His 100 is going to be horrific. I agree. He'll be the best of all time. Didn't he say that the worst thing that happened to him was not training for Gustafson and beating him anyway? Did he say that? That's probably where he was like.

He said it was trouble. He was just like, God, I can do this and still get away with it. He said it added, and he was like, fuck it. I'll just keep doing it because I just beat this guy who trained the best camp he's ever had in his life, and I did nothing and still get away with it. He said it added, and he was like, fuck it, I'll just keep doing it, because I just beat this guy who trained the best camp he's ever had in his life, and I did nothing and still beat him. Such a freak. I'll tell you what, how many fighters are going to incorporate a movement coach now

after Conor doing all that shit? We were making fun of him before. I've been obsessed with Ido Portaro for a long time. Well, I'm obsessed with him, and I'm also obsessed with that guy that Carlos Condit uses. He does that move gnat stuff. I was watching a video on him training today. See if you can find it. I'm pretty sure I retweeted it.

But he does all this crazy shit. He's doing chin-ups with trees, like hanging off of trees. And he's doing balance beam stuff. And they're throwing sticks at him, and he's catching them while he's balancing on stuff. He's even doing training specifically for bow hunting. He's got like reps that he does for bow hunting while he's squatting and standing up while holding a bow posture. Yeah. Like to try to like solidify his balance in precarious positions on hillsides.

I do that every morning. Like here's like some of the weird stuff that Carlos is doing. I mean, Carlos is a really fucking smart guy, really articulate. Let's play this so we can hear it. Bring it to the beginning. He's also been doing the same training for about 20 years, so this must be nice.

Bring it to the beginning for us, please. There you go. When somebody's watching a fight, there's the punches, the kicks, the takedowns, the grappling, but what people are less aware of is for a fighter to be in correct position to execute a strike effectively, they need to have mastery of their movement, of their position, of their balance. I think that's really what separates the elite fighters from somebody who's, you know, good enough.

Erwin and I have been training for about seven to eight months. So people listening, he's doing, he's walking on a log. Outdoors, indoors. Balancing on a log. I think one of the most challenging things about training in nature is the unpredictability. He's talking about how he suffered an ACL meniscus tear while fighting.

The move mat definitely accelerated my recovery in that I was not only doing these movements and these different stretches in physical therapy, but also in my training sessions. When Erwin and myself started training, he looked at some of my previous fights and he saw some things that my head coach Greg Jackson saw independently. They saw the same exact thing but what was great with working with Erwin and working in the Movement App program is he specifically had exercises and drills to make those changes whereas you know some of my other coaches saw that it needed to be made, but weren't sure how to get there. This was extremely challenging for me.

We're trying to relearn something that we may have lost. As adults, having sat in chairs or having laid on a bench to do very linear stuff like bench press or squat or whatever, we've kind of lost that natural movement ability. And gain it it takes a lot of focus I come home after I train with Erwin and I'm exhausted but as we go on and I have made these adjustments and my body has adapted it's less and less mentally taxing and you know more fun today you know today we had a blast for

my last fight meter when working specifically on positioning of my body lower level stability in a lower stance position of my feet which helped me move forward and backward quicker which I think ultimately really helped me with the Victor I was able to move in and out of range effectively and land strikes and ultimately get the win. Wow! I think that it's not just for elite athletes it's for for anybody it's you know it's anybody who wants to get in shape anybody who wants to try something different maybe you're into lifting or you're into yoga or you know any different thing I hear all the time I'm plateauing i'm strong but i can't move i'm

flexible but i have no power ultimately we're trying to be the most functional able-bodied athlete person human that we can be boom interesting shit man yeah it is i'm gonna keep i'm gonna stick with yoga i love that guy's ponytail though i'm going I'm going to stick with yoga. I love that guy's ponytail, though. I'm going out to the forest. Ido Portal has a ponytail, too. What the fuck? Please say Ido. Don't ever say his name Ido again like that. Is it Ido? It is Ido.

It's spelled I-D-O. Ido is the E's. You'll call him Ido. Does he have a ponytail? He certainly does. He's a beautiful man. I'm going to call him whatever I want. Hey, don't put his name in your mouth

Well, he said Ido Be respectful I said Ido Ido? When you put my second boyfriend's name in your mouth It's your boyfriend now? I got two boyfriends And by the way, Carlos Condor is the third boyfriend

It's very hard for me to choose You line all those guys up in a jail cell I have no idea who I gotta choose But I would do their laundry I don't think you get to choose That's part of the program I don't, do I? I think that stuff is cool

I think that stuff is cool. I don't, you know, for certain guys Well, you don't know unless you're doing it. I won't train with vegans. Vito Portal. Wow. He's shredded. His hair's ridiculous. Pull him up, please, and show what he does.

Check this out. Is there any videos of him? Is it the same shit? How did Check this out. What is he doing? Is there any videos of him? Oh, yeah, there's a great video. Is it the same shit? No, no, no. Hold on. Go full screen. How did Connor get connected to him, I wonder? He said that he was very interested in Connor.

He does some crazy stuff, man. Well, you know what this is really similar to as far as I'm looking at it? Movement natural. Yes. Stuff that Hicks and Gracie was really into. But watch what he does. He does some crazy stuff. Which is interesting, really, when you go back to it,

because we thought of it as yoga, and it is yoga, but wow, Jesus Christ. He's bodied up, son. This dude is doing handstand push-ups on the edge of a table. Oh, he's not a good-looking guy. Dropping his head below the table. Oh, my God, look at these flips and shit. What the fuck?

Oh, my God, this guy's a super athlete. Yes, he is. it's what the fuck he's oh my god this guy's a super athlete yes he is like what is his uh there's more another video there's more oh that's called white people break dancing oh this oh the same video keeps going so what is his background is he like a gymnast he's from israel he was a shit he was a capoeira guy oh my god this is insane he boxes he does gymnastics he talks about how important rings are you gotta relax brian i won't relax but this flip that he's doing that flip is incredible doing a one-handed uh well she's essentially doing like cirque de soleil type they are dancing right there what he'll do what he'll do is he'll make you um he'll give you something that like he'll make you

catch a stick and he gives you a toy and as soon as you'll give you something, like he'll make you catch a stick. And he gives you a toy, and as soon as you get good at it, he changes it up on you. So he always has you guessing. He always has you kind of dealing. Well, he had Conor on the balance beams in Santa Monica the week before the fight, doing all sorts of crazy shit on the beach. But look at this guy's fucking ability to move his body. That's pretty shocking. He is bodied up.

Tell you right now. He calls it movement patterns. Tell you right now. Conor wins with or without doing these movements. I don't know about that, man. I wonder if he's... Oh, bro, Sam. But listen, depending on who he's fighting, I think these movements and learning how to

move your body like that will definitely benefit him, and benefits are all that keeps you from winning or losing. Squash this, squash this, squash this. This is incredible. This is nuts, man. This kind of physical strength. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's a balance.

That's some stupid core strength, too. Man, maybe I'm just a hater. I am not into this, man. Well, I'm his best student. Hold on a second. What do you mean you're not into it? I'm just not into it. Like, what does that mean?

I'm not digging it. That's not impressive? It's cool, man. I've seen people in yoga do it all the time. Listen, you've never seen a guy built like him. You've never seen a guy built like him that does that shit with that kind of body mass. I've never seen that in a million years. I've never seen a guy be able to hold those positions like that.

That's impressive. He's a master mover. I mean, that's like a very small percentage of the human population is capable of moving their body like this. I don't get it. Look at this. Look at what he's doing. You guys love it. I know.

I'm sure that's great. That looks very hard. But why do you say you don't get it? I'm saying I don't get the obsession with it we can't say do you guys are into it one handed one hand one hand up dude you don't think that's incredible yeah it's insane so what what why are you hating you get no he gets you get attracted to it I'm not hating you just very very You're jealous. Are you jealous of this guy's body? That's what it is. That's what it is. You have body dysmorphia. Look at this. That's fantastic.

Oh my God. That's good for your shoulder joint. Yeah, I agree. Jesus Christ. He gets super mad when I have a new boyfriend, and that's the truth. That's gymnastics. Yeah, but this isn't just a new boyfriend thing. That's gymnastics.

It's him looking at this guy's body, and I'm freaking out. And hair, and face. No, I just don't think it's that impressive. Well, you're right. I go to yoga, and I've seen gymnastics. Listen. This isn't anything new. You're out of your mind. You're out of your mind if you don't think that guy's impressive. I was to yoga and I've seen gymnastics. This isn't anything new. You're out of your mind.

You're out of your mind if you don't think that guy's impressive. I was going to say. And look at him meditating. Look at his traps. That's not impressive. I can do that. It's the only thing he's done so far that I can do. Hey, what's up everybody? The only thing that he's done so far that I... See, this stuff is all the Hickson Gracie type shit. Hickson was really into this stuff. Super into it.

As am I now. That movement, natural stuff was essentially like this stuff. Super into it. As am I now. That movement, natural stuff, was essentially like this flowing yoga style that Hickson was really into that a lot of other jujitsu guys got into. It's so interesting

to see it all come full circle now with guys like Connor incorporating that, but this is even another level. Yeah. But you've seen

those videos of Hickson doing those full splits, standing full splits on a balance beam. 20 years ago. Yeah, holding his foot up in the air. Why are you saying 20 years ago? You're hating on Hickson now. No, no. You're upset. You have to qualify.

I'm saying Hickson was doing this. This isn't new. You can't let it enchant you. Boss Rootin was doing shit like this. Boss Rootin was doing crazy shit. You never did that. You can't let it enchant you. Boss Rootin was doing shit like this. You can't be enchanted. Boss Rootin was doing crazy shit. He never did that. You can't be enchanted. Well, he was in on chains and like fucking with his hair done. Looking in my eyes.

You know? Yeah, my bad. Boss Rootin wasn't doing that. What are you running from? What are you running from right now? Nothing. I just don't think you can give that guy that much credit for not knocking out. Can I ask you a question?

Can I ask you an honest question? We're not doing that. We're saying the guy's impressive physically and that it helped Conor to train with that guy. Obviously, Conor's not stupid. He's figured out how to become the world champion with one punch. True. He's not a stupid guy. Yeah.

He's a marketing genius. And I think Conor at 55 is even more trouble. He's not cutting weight. He's not cutting weight. I don't know about that because a big part of what gets him there is he cuts weight perfect. Oh, he looks like shit. He looks dog shit at 45, but whatever he does to rehyd perfect. I mean, he looks dog shit at 45, but whatever he does to rehydrate the next day,

he looks amazing. And he's done it with no IV this time. Yeah, but think if he doesn't have to cut all that weight so he doesn't deplete his body. He's faster than all these 55ers. He's dealing with bigger guys. It's going to take him down like Chad did. Then you've got a much bigger problem.

Much bigger problem. Chad is a tiny guy in comparison to a lot of 55ers like Dos Anjos. Dos Anjos gets on top of you. That is a totally different world of physics and weight. I agree. But you look at matchups like Donald Cerrone, phenomenal matchup. Oh, yeah. Anthony Pettis, dope-ass matchup.

Those are great matchups. There's certain matchups at 55. You're right. You're right, 100%. But I think if – do you think if Dos Anjos wins, they'll fight? Nope. No. It's only if Cowboy wins.

Really? Only if Cowboy wins. Well, if Cowboy wins, that's the money. That's the money fight. That's the mega fight. Woo! That is a mega, mega, mega fight. Why do you guys say that not if Dos Anjos wins?

No, I'm asking. I just don't think so. Because I think, like Joe mentioned, that Dos Anjos can put in that Chad Mendes game plan. Oh, I got you. Well, also, Dos Anjos hits fucking hard. And he's got nasty jiu-jitsu. World class. And he's got a fucking pressuring game.

But, you know, Conor might laugh at it. Conor might say, you know, like, I got the solution to that. Look, Jeremy Stevens knocked that dude dead. Dead, dead. It's very possible that Conor might just see holes in his game that we're not seeing, and he might be able to figure it out. I just don't think it's a big payday. Like, Dos Anjos, McGregor's not a superstar fight.

It's really not. But it is a superstar fight whenever Conor fights anybody. And if he's got a big challenge in front of him fighting for the lightweight title, it'll be a gigantic payday. No, Conor's big no matter what. no matter what Connor cowboy. That's the biggest If cowboy can win next Saturday against dos Anjos become lightweight champion the world That is the and I guarantee you'll probably call Connor out right unless they unless it was a crazy war like they want a rematch Yeah, they don't like each other

But unless is a crazy war and you everybody says, you've got to do it again, and they both say, we've got to do it again, the UFC says they have to do it again. But again, this is like, when people upset at me about the Frankie Edgar thing, I don't get to call. It's not my choice. My opinion is just an opinion. I just see a guy get knocked dead, I

see, okay, that guy can't fight for at least six months, at least, and really shouldn't be fighting probably for a year. And it wasn't much of a fight. I agreed right away. I was like, yeah, Joe's right. There's no way there's a rematch. But then I thought about it.

I'm like, well, they gave all these other champs instant rematches. But they didn't to Kane. Kane got knocked dead, too, against Junior Dos Santos. He had to fight Bigfoot. People kept saying that Kane got an instant rematch. No, he didn't. He did not. But there's been more instant rematches than not.

Right. But he fought Bigfoot Silva. And by the way, the Anderson Silva rematch, too fucking soon. And I said it. Oh, 100%. He got lucky that he broke his leg. How about that? Not obviously, not really.

But he was getting beaten the fuck up. He got hurt real bad in the clinch. Weidman caught him with a punch in the clinch. His legs went rubber. He went to the ground. He held on as much as he could, and Weidman beat the fuck out of him for that first round. And then Anderson threw that kick and broke his leg. And it was almost fortunate that he went out like that because Weidman was going to beat his ass.

Anderson was not able to take a punch anymore the same way he used to. But Anderson used to eat punches. Watch the fight. You want to watch a crazy fucking fight? Watch his fight with Jorge Rivera where he lets Rivera punch him in the face. Really? Let's him punch him in the face. Yeah, he used to let guys just punch him in the fight. You want to watch a crazy fucking fight? Watch his fight with Jorge Rivera, where he lets Rivera punch him in the face. Really? Let's him punch him in the face. Yeah, he used to let guys just punch him in the face.

What? He stood in front of Rivera, let him punch him. Pull it up. Jorge Rivera versus Anderson Silva in Cage Wars in the UK. This is before Anderson came to the... Dude, I was a gigantic Anderson Silva fan long before he ever won the title. I was a gigantic Anderson Silva fan long before I ever won the title. Will you watch my calling the fight against Chris Weidman? I was a kid in a fucking candy store because he wasn't a new guy to me. Oh, you're saying when he fought Chris Lieben. Did I say Weidman?

Yeah. I meant Lieben. Sorry. When he fought Chris Lieben, when he came to the UFC. That was such a beating. It was crazy. I was a kid in a candy store because I was like, this guy is a different kind of striker. This is a whole different animal you're dealing with. And Lieben's going to come forward face first.

The perfect matchup. Did he start as a Muay Thai guy? Watch this. So Jorge Rivera, who's on the left, who is a fucking hard puncher. Good hands. And Anderson's standing right in front of him. And there's one point in the fight. How long does this fight go, Jamie?

Ten minutes. There's one point in the fight before Anderson knocks does this fight go, Jamie? Ten minutes. Ten minutes? There's one point in the fight before Anderson knocks him out where Anderson stands right in front of him and literally lets him punch him in the face. And Mark Delgrate, who was with Jorge, was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, what the fuck? You should hear Mark talk about it.

It's hilarious when Mark talks about it. I love that guy. He's the best. He's so funny. By the way, Mark was also agreeing with me that Aldo looked different physically He like you look smooth. He looks the entire world except for South America agreed with you Joe Well, there's some people on the underground the disagree Oh, we call the sack of this idiots just when you see a guy

It's hard to tell from a still photo as well Yeah, a lot of what you see is in movement. You see, like, they don't look as full. Not as explosive. Even in the still photo it shows. A little bit, but not much. Like I said, it could have been attributable to cardio. I mean, let's say there's no evidence at all that whoever did steroids, right?

So let's say he never did steroids. Let's say he just did way more cardio for that fight and didn't do nearly as much strength training, and that's what it is. There's a difference in did way more cardio for that fight and didn't do nearly as much strength training, and that's what it is. There's a difference in the way it looks. Eric Silva was the biggest contrast. That was the biggest one.

I couldn't believe that. Of course. But Vitor is the biggest. Vitor is the biggest. But Vitor, we knew to look for it. We knew it was happening. We knew about the testing. We knew about everything.

With Eric Silva, you're like, huh? Yeah. He was bodied up. He was so bodied up with that apple bottom and everything. Dude, when he walked into the octagon, it was literally like a Scooby-Doo sound all across the globe. Penny dropper. Penny dropper. No, no, no.

And then he gets off to you. No, that's what I mean. I mean, in the last fight. Yeah, it was crazy. In the last fight. His last fight. He was like, God damn it. He looked like melted cheese. It mean, in the last fight. Yeah, it was crazy. In the last fight. His last fight, he was like, God damn it. He looked like melted cheese.

It just didn't make any sense. But again, it could have been that he changed his approach and decided he's gassing out in these fights, like against Matt Brown, he gassed out. And he has all this muscle and all this power, and he's always going for it. And he is a young guy. He's not even 30 years old. It is possible that he just changed his entire approach.

No more strength and conditioning. Only just training. Only cardio from sparring and from repetition. I mean, it's totally possible. It's totally possible. Oster Overeem, when he got busted, it was in his protein shake. Dude, look how beautiful Anderson's movement was. Look how he checked that kick.

I mean, it's all like automatic. This is when he was in his prime. By the way, he didn't come to the UFC until I think he was like 35. He was going to retire and Nogueira talked him out of it. How old was he when he came to the UFC? I thought he was 32. You might be right, though, Joe.

I know he was going to retire and Big Nog talked him out of it. It was like, you have to fight. Well, he had had some crazy tough fights. He also had a falling out with Shoot the Box. I'm like, you have to fight. Well, he had had some crazy tough fights. He also had a falling out with Shoot the Box. I'm surprised he's not retiring now. Why do you think? Well, he went to Muay Thai Dream Team.

They created a team, and he didn't have good training partners, and there was a lot of shit going on. But he pulled it together right when he came to the UFC. Did he ever? Well, he pulled it together in cage wars, really. And then he came to the UFC after that. Remember he was about to fight Roy Jones? And then everyone's like nah that would have been so ridiculous been awesome He got lit up would have been awesome. You think it's a good wake-up call a lot of MMA fighters

I think they can box with a guy like Jones Speaking of Jones she's asked get knocked down the fourth round hey, let's stop doing that Your head lead commentator on HBO. Let's not do that. Yeah, and I think that's going to fuck with his commentary for sure. 100%. He's not going to be able to talk that good after that knockout. I mean, it'll be a while before he recovers from that. Why do it?

He's had like five of those. I mean, unless he's getting paid crazy amounts of money, I don't get why he does it. No one really watched it. The only reason we watched is because he got highlight knockout, you know? Meanwhile, Jorge Rivera did a lot better than Rich Franklin. It's interesting. He sure did. Figured out how to, well, Jorge's a Muay Thai guy,

so he figured out how to fight Anderson from the clinch. Anderson, like, at this point in the fight is sort of just chipping away at him. But how much more time is in this fight? How much, where are we at? There's the moment before the fight stopped, the nice knee to the body. See, this is Anderson, like, really in his prime. Did you see Anderson and John Jones? Yeah.

Shadowbox in New York? Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Interesting, right? Anderson against Luke Rockhold. Does Luke Rockhold beat him up right now? Oh, God, it's horrible now. Really?

What's wrong with you? It's over now. The champ, the new crown champ versus the old Anderson Silva? No, Anderson, it's over. Look at this crown champ versus the old Anderson Silva? No, Anderson, it's over. Look at this. Look at him. Let me guess, Callan. Yeah?

You're crunk for the Ken Shamrock, Hoist Gracie fight, too. Listen, Anderson took him down. Unless you're on testosterone replacement, when you hit your late 30s like that, there's just no way. You can't compete. You're not competing with him. You know, look, if you got Anderson on the Vitor Belfort diet, I think Anderson goes back in there like a demon, and who knows who he can beat until his, you know, 40th fucking birthday or whatever it would be when the wheels fall off.

But Anderson now, you're talking about a guy who was brutally KO'd by Chris Weidman, and then in the second fight had a seriously hard time staying conscious from a punch in the clinch. You know, I just don't think the body can only take so much, man. And I think he took it all. Vitor Anderson makes sense. Here's where it gets. Here's towards the end of the fight.

This is the second round where I'm pretty sure he stopped him in the second round. But there's a point where it's just fucking. Show me how much time is left here. Yeah, scoot ahead a little bit and see if we can find it because it's fucking preposterous. Anderson is standing in front of him. Here it is, right here. Watch this.

Anderson just stands in front of him and lets Jorge tee off on his face. Look at this. Boom, boom. Stand right in front of him. Damn, I'm just eating it. Boom, boom. Damn, son.

Boom, boom, boom. Oh my god. God dog Just just ate it just stood in front of him and a now contrast that that series of punches that Jorge Rivera who hits fucking hard. Yeah to Chris Weidman's one punch in the clinch Oh night and day that dropped him night and day so Anderson just can't absorb Shots like he used to he used to have a phenomenal chin. Your body just shuts down. Your brain says, uh-oh, here it comes. Chuck Liddell, same thing.

Had a phenomenal chin. I mean, there was times in Chuck's life where you just weren't going to hurt him. Sorry. Sorry. I think Dan Henderson pretty much until he got kicked by Vitor. Same thing. Yeah. He can eat everything.

Who do you guys have winning the Anderson Silva Vitor? That's not going to happen. Vitor won't fight him. I talked to Lorenzo Ortiz. Why won't he fight him? Vitor doesn't want to fight him. He wants a shot at the title. And they're like, dude, you fought for the title and got smoked in the first round.

You can't beat Dan Henderson and get a new title shot. The thing is, Luke wants to fight him because he wants to fight Vitor. Yeah. He should. They said, who do you want? In Brazil. He goes, I want Vitor on a silver platter. Is that what he said?

Yes. That's going to be ugly for Vitor, I feel. Set it up. You think? You think? You've got to do Weidman. A Weidman rematch would be very interesting. A Rockhold-Yoel Romero fight would be very interesting.

I think Yoel Romero is not doing anything in the fourth and fifth round. Don't forget Jesus! And remember, I was the guy. Gay Jesus! No, not gay Jesus. He's saying forget. He said forget.

Don't forget gay Jesus! That drove me crazy when whoever interviewed him didn't clarify that. They were like, oh, they didn't know either. Don't forget. I fucking knew. I was listening to what he He's saying forget he's Cuban don't forget Jesus me when I speak to him You notice when I speak to him, I look at him right in the eye

I speak very clearly and I try to clarify everything he says like when he fought Tim Kennedy Yes, and there was that moment where he didn't get off the stool. Yeah, I had a long Conversation with him. I was talking to him nice and slowly. I'm looking at him, trying to find out what he's saying. I'm trying to get to it. I've known a lot of Cuban people. I know what they sound like. They have that way of saying T's.

It's a Y. The T is a Y. It's not for gay Jesus. Can we get a PR team on that? Can we get a PR team to help him out? I would have been the PR team if I was interviewing him. Kind of fucked him up. So you're saying don't forget Jesus. Si, si, si, don't forget Jesus.

That's how they say it. It sounds like forget Jesus. No, it sounds like he's saying no forget Jesus. He's not a tall guy, is he? How tall is he? He feels like he's like 5'8", 5'9". No, no, he's probably... There's no gay Jesus.

No. Poor guy. Yoel Romero had the flu for the last four days. Oh, come on. Malky. Don't ever show that guy's tweets. Don't ever get him up here. That guy wanted to come on the podcast with Jon Jones.

He's like, I'll say some crazy shit Jon won't say. I'm like, what? Who's Malky? Why would we want you there? Why would they want you there? Jon's manager. Great guy, though, by the way. Just fucking around.

But he's the idea of like, what? Get out of here, son. But he's like, you're going to talk for John? That's exactly what I don't want. Yeah, man. I want to know what's going on in his mind. Don't fuck A.G.'s up. Poor guy.

Because even I thought it was that. He got tortured online. Like, people were mad at him. Like, even, like, reputable, like, sports broadcasters were tweeting at how horrendous what he said was and terrible what he said was. I was fucking yelling at my computer. He said, forget. He said the same forget.

Those are the same fucks that do the ranking. And they can't even get your old shit straight. No, no. I don't do true. Who does the rankings? I don't know. Who the fucks that do the ranking? And they can't even get your old shit straight. No, no, I don't do the ranking. Who does the rankings? Who the fuck does the rankings? Journalists do the rankings? I'm pretty sure.

Right? Some head journalist. It'd make more sense. Yeah, they ask Ryan Seacrest. Exactly. Who does the rankings? How weird is that? Like, what are the people?

Who are the people? The rankings aren't that horrible. I just think that when, you know, someone like Uriah Hall knocks out Gegard Mousasi and he's below him on the rankings, that's fucking stupid. Well, you know the UFC brass is like, we can't do the rankings because it's some bullshit. Because remember they were going to do pay dictate based off your ranking. Remember that with Reebok? That was horrible.

Then they're like, ah, fuck, we can't do that because Billy's a huge fan of whoever. He's lost seven in a row, and they want to rank him number 10. Do you have any idea? Do you guys have any idea how much a veteran makes off the Reebok thing? Let's not even talk about it because I'll start throwing up on my keyboard. Yeah, me too. That's the answer. You know what?

Can I do a positive spin, though? I hate on Reebok so much? Can I do a positive spin, though? I hate on Reebok so much. Can I do a positive one? I dug the McGregor trunks, the green and gold trunks, and all those black and gold. For the first time ever. I didn't even notice. For the first time ever, I was like, those look good. Well, they're responding to criticism and doing a good job of responding to criticism.

I just think, you know. Ooh, I disagree. I think the whole, the real reality of this whole situation is that it could have all been handled better. I think everybody would agree to that. And I think the fighters are very disappointed at their lack of ability to be autonomous as far as like how much money they can make from sponsors. And like, you're the perfect example. You know, and I've used you as an example. And, you know, people said that you weren't telling the truth.

And, you know, now we know that that's not correct. I brought you my- Yeah. You brought me your financials, and I brought them to the fucking top. Yes. And we had a nice conversation about it. I know. I think that it's an unfortunate reality that we're going to have to live with now.

And what I would like to see out of this is- I mean, the argument against it was like people were havingom depot on their trunks and all that shit. I'm like, well how about don't have condom depot? How about you have, you make a very specific, like listen, you can get all the sponsors you want, but you can't have anything that's going to be bad for the image of the UFC. This is what we think are bad. I don't know why condoms are bad. Which is what they did.

By the way, I don't know why condoms would be bad. Is it bad to not get AIDS? Yeah, exactly. But the UFC did that, Joe. What if it was band-Aid Depot? Would that be okay? What if it's Aspirin Depot? Is that okay? What if it was Penicillin Depot?

You have to submit your sponsors ahead of time and they have to check them off. So you weren't allowed alcohol, tobacco, anything competing with the UFC. But did anybody really diminish the entertainment value for anybody when someone was walking in with dynamic fastener on their shirt? Did he give a fuck at all?

No. I never give a fuck. If Chris Weidman was walking to the Octagon and he had Muscle Farm or fucking fill in the blank. Well, where are all those logos now? They're on the mat. That's what Bunsen said. Some of them are. The mat looks like a NASCAR.

The fighters are in black and white unless you're a champ looking like assholes not getting paid. That's the only issue I have with it. Well, there's definitely something to be said about that because none of that money is going towards the fighters. None. Because the only thing that's changed besides the fighters looking plain as fuck in black and white is the mat looks like a fucking Toys R Us now. Yeah. And I think there's a real option, a real possibility for fighters to get super involved in social media and put out a lot of videos and get people excited. If you put out a lot of content, people respond. There's a lot of people that I follow.

Yeah. There's a lot of people that I follow. You know Ross Training? You know that Ross Training guy on Instagram? You know who he is? Like some pretty intense personal trainer dude. He's got all these great workout things that he does on Instagram. I follow that guy all the time.

If he was a fighter and he had all these people following him all the time, or a lot of other guys that do these things, or girls who do these things too, there's a lot of people. Well, girls, they do it. They won't look at their asses. Man, I follow him, Joe. I know you do. I like how you have shots of him shaking his head.

You sound the way I talk when I'm talking about Ido Portal. Your voice just got deeper. But I think that it gives an opportunity for fighters to adjust. And the adjustment is to concentrate or have someone that works for you. Concentrate on social media. Put out a lot of content. I know Miles Jury does a lot of shit. That's a bummer, though, man.

It is a bummer. They shouldn't have to do it. It would be better if they didn't. There are so many fighters. That's why if I'm Conor McGregor, I ready for this? If I'm Conor McGregor, I say I'm not doing shit until you give me $20 million to fight. That's how much power I think that kid has right now.

He has the most power I've ever seen a UFC fighter. He has a nation behind him. He could sell out $80,000. Okay, well I'm going to show you what kind of power he has behind him because I'm going to send these to Jamie and we're going to watch what it was like at the MGM because I have videos of Irish people

going fucking bonkers at a level that you've never seen in your entire life. We're talking about climbing on top of fucking casino tables, screaming, taking their shirts off. There's thousands of them. When he was there and won? No, when he won. He's a bigger star than Lesnar now.

They stormed the fucking casino and when they stormed the casino nobody could do anything about it. nobody could do anything about it. Nobody could do anything about it. The security guards are all standing around. I'm going to show you some video. We've never seen a star like this. And for the first time, Conor's bigger than the UFC.

He can go, I want this amount of money, or I'm not doing shit for you. And he just backed up everything he said. Yeah, I'm going to send these to Jamie right now. You've never seen nothing like this.. You never see nothing like this. You never see nothing like this. Those Irish love him some fighting. Jamie, you got your phone on? His tiger tattoo bugs me out a little bit.

I'm not going to lie to you. What's up, Jamie? Airdrop's not showing up. Airdrop is really wonky, man. I need to get it on my computer here. You need to get what on your computer? Airdrop? Don't you have a phone?

I need to turn it on so I can show them. Oh, yeah. Should I email it to you? Is that the better move? That'd be faster. Okay, let me email it to you. You wouldn't believe it. You're going to look at this and you're going to go, what?

God, the mob. Two attachments maximum. All right, I'm just selling these. Guess where I wouldn't be? At that casino. Yeah. Crowds make me nervous. Unless you're Irish. You have to get out of there right away, I'm just selling these. Guess where I wouldn't be? At that casino. Yeah. Crowds make me nervous. Unless you're Irish.

You had to get out of there right away. I get out of there. I don't fucking around. Yeah, you had to get out of there right away. I don't like mobs. It was so ridiculous. I get nervous. Here, I'm going to send you a couple other ones, Jamie.

It's just so stupid. It was so crazy. Have you ever seen anything like that, Joe? No. No. I'm going to pee out of my huge dick. I'll be right back. Total new level of chaos.

And really, it was amazing, man. I tweeted right when he knocked him out. I said, well, ladies and gentlemen, there's your biggest star in UFC history. How about arguably one of the biggest stars in the history of all combat sports? Because there's never been anybody that has won a fight that has had casinos overrun with literally the security guard watch these videos you're gonna freak out the security guards can't do shit dudes are jumping up on tables they're taking their shirts off they're singing all together i mean not just one or two thousands and thousands of

these guys did he come to you? Just now. He's a special dude, man. Yeah. And the thing why I'm just drawn to Conor is because he's a good person. Like, you see, as soon as he beat Aldo, hugged him, got on the mic. He's a great champion. All respected. There's a picture of them hugging in the back. Yeah, man.

I saw it. Yeah. It's very cool, man. He's just a good person. That'll all change again if they schedule a rematch. Yeah. He'll crank it right back up. Did you see the picture that he put on Twitter?

Yes. That's so rude. It's so rude. It's so rude. Wait until Brian comes back. How about we don't do it while Brian's gone so Brian doesn't declare that his next boyfriend. So he doesn't jack off. But there's a photo of Connor.

Connor's looking down. And the camera's like looking up at him. Says, wake up, Jose. It's all over. God dang. He can do what he wants, though. Cold-blooded. But it's a marketing thing.

You know what I'm saying? Of course. It's brilliant. Of course. But it's also real. It's a marketing thing. But it's real. Where was that?

It's on his Twitter. It's cold-blooded. It's cold. It's as cold-blooded. it's also real. It's a marketing thing, but it's real. It's on his Twitter. It's cold-blooded. It's as cold-blooded. That's cryotherapy-blooded. It's so cold. It's like fucking Pluto cold. But that picture resurfaced because he posted that weeks ago. Oh, did he?

Yeah, and then they just reposted it. Well, he reposted it. It's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's all over. Fuck. Have you seen that photo? Did you see the video of him calling it?

Yeah. Did you see that he tweeted that came out today? And he's on the bike in Venice going da-da-da-da-da. Have you seen that? No. Oh, my God. Ding, ding, ding. Yeah.

Yeah, it's kind of hilarious. What are you looking for, Jamie? Just look it up. Google it, you fuck. Yeah, him versus Frankie's a motherfucker. Maybe it's on Instagram? No way he took it down. No way.

Hmm. Did you look under media? Did you look under media? How long is that from ago? How long ago? Day 11. Hmm. There's no way he took it down. Did he take it down?

Damn, he's using Square? There's no tweet from today. Just one. Was it an Instagram post? Let's see. So confident. Did he take it down? Did he take it down?

Did he take it down? Did he take it down? Did he take it down? Did he take it down? Did he take it down? Was it an Instagram post? Let's see. So confident. Did he take it down? Is that possible? No, I just found it, Jamie. It's right there. That's it.

I googled it in three seconds. How dare you? How dare you, sir? Pull it up. Pull it up. Google it. Okay, so this is... Let's just play this while we're waiting for you to get your shit together oh damn look at this that's the MGM that's the front of the MGM look at security they can't do shit

now um show some of the other ones, because there's some other ones in the actual casino itself. That's in the lobby of the casino. Nuts. It's fucking madness. That's the same thing, the second series that I sent you. It is madness, man. Just absolutely madness.

We haven't seen anything like this. With this following, that Irish irish i mean they just love fighting it's in their blood and then you have this fuck the muhammad ali of ireland now and then some right ireland was always a always at battle with itself uh ireland because of the topography of ireland it would break up into what they called tuas like little clans villages and they would always fight with each other so i, I want to hear a fucking history lesson, son. Here's the image. See if you can find it, okay?

Well, Ireland's never had a star like this. It says independent.co.uk. You can find it there. It's the whole thing. Wake up, Jose. It's all over. They've never had a star like this. Jose.

They've always wanted it. Even guys who left on their shield, we get knocked out, but came back. They loved them. They were stars. Now you have a legit fucking superstar. A murderer. Yeah. A guy who's murking people.

I mean, to go through all that, the crazy UFC promo, where they're meeting in the middle of the fucking strip, and the fans behind them, and the million dollar fucking production value of the commercial the giant world tour and then aldo pulls out of the first fight shows up for the second fight and one fucking punch deads him i mean that is you can't write that you can't write that shit that is a movie and a half that is the greatest superstar that country has ever known in all combat sports this is well that's just the image. If you go to the actual website, it's right there, Jamie. Come on, man.

I just showed you how to get it. I Googled it while I'm talking. It ain't hard to do. You're not mad at that picture, Brian. No. No, he loves it. No, he's no evil poor top or whatever. It says right there underneath it.

By the way, Eve Edwards called me and left me a message. She goes, hey, dude, I heard something weird. Did you come out of the closet? Are you gay? And then I got another call from Karen, same thing, going, hey, dude, I heard you were gay. I was like, where are you hearing that I came out of the closet? From you? How about you just got done for 20 minutes slobbering over Luke Rockhold's cock?

Maybe it's me. Maybe people are. You're an Edo portal. You think people are, first of all, Edo portal. don't make me say it again you think people are reading it know what i'm saying you think there it is wake up jose it's all over oh go back so you can see it all the way look at this oh no that's me look at that fucking photo that is december 1st that is just ridiculous wow so that's an old photo that he reposted Yes

Because it came true Wow That tattoo tiger is just too real to be cool You know what I'm saying? It looks like 3D Yeah, it's not a good placement It's just, when you got abs like that, man Show the abs off I guess he doesn't give a fuck what he looks like though

You know what? He doesn't have to He doesn't have to He what he looks like, though. You know what? As far as that goes. He doesn't have to. Do whatever he wants. Knocking bitches out. Yeah. Making money. Telling the UFC what the fuck to do. What is he going to do when he retires?

I mean, the amount of juice that's going. The amount of juice and adrenaline and excitement that's going through his veins right now. Just the fucking electricity right now. He'll be a promoter. He'll be a promoter. He'll be a promoter. How do you ever... Shut the fuck up. How do you ever match that?

It's all downhill from here. God. This is the worst. It's all downhill. Well, he might go Leonard Skier style and die in a small plane crash. He might. I could see that.

I just don't know. A guy like this is like... The level of fame... Look at this. Some guy got on top of the lion in the fucking MGM security Off the lion sir, that's where we draw the line. They don't give a fuck you see him in the streets beforehand Did you hear about the Irish guys were on their way to Vegas and got they had to they kicked off the flight for fighting Yeah, they didn't even make what yeah, They didn't even make it to the fight. Conor McGregor fans.

My buddy went to a soccer game in Ireland. They didn't get to the stadium. There were so many fights. It was nuts. That's what they do, huh? Yeah, they're fucking animals. Conor McGregor could be a big-ass movie star. Oh, yeah. He says he's gotten offers. He's not interested. He goes, I don't have time for that.

What he's doing is smart, and what Ronda did was not smart in that regard. That she got distracted and spread herself thin, took all that short money. You know, it's a lot of money, but took it all. Whereas Conor's like, no thanks. I don't think it made a difference. I think Holly Holm is a different fighter. I disagree. I think she made a different fighter.

Well, it certainly made a difference, Brian. When you distract yourself, you are distracted. I understand. I don she met a different fighter. Well, it certainly made a difference, Brian. When you distract yourself, you are distracted. That makes a difference. I don't think that's Ronda's fault, though. I think it's the people around her. This is Brian standing up for distractions. No.

Holly Holm is a much higher level striker and would have been regardless. I don't think... I just don't think you can compete with somebody like that who's that far advanced as a striker. Well, certainly not striking. And she's stronger than Ronda. That's what it looked like to me strong as fuck yeah well you

know she's definitely leaner you know and bigger looks more muscular and bigger and she's fought as high as 152 pounds and ronda correct me if i'm wrong is not a big double leg single leg shooter she's a judo person she's gotta get her hips close to you so when she has people who in her camp like this guy izzy or whoever it is who can neutralize that judo, push her hips away, drop a level when she gets close. No dropping levels, man. Here's the big thing. They just avoided

that left arm. Ronda always ties up with that left arm. She does the same approach in almost all of her fights. And it works on these amateur girls. And it's not... That's a good way of putting it. It's not to say that like she doesn't have other approaches but that is the approach that she's most comfortable with and she goes to more often and when it wasn't working you know you're fucked you had you had

that camp game planning and they've seen a lot and i feel like they've game planned for very very good fighters who are men who are a lot more complex. And Ronda, for those guys, was probably much easier to game-plan, and then they had Holly Holm, who's been striking with Ronald Johnson since she was 15. What you just said is really sexist, and I'm not talking to you anymore. Sexist? For men. Hey, man.

Come on, man. Men, like me. You know, men, like the guys I fuck. Guys like me. Hey, hey, hey, you don't know that. Well, I just heard you came out of the closet. That's what I heard from Eve. See, Rhonda doing movies and those distractions, that's on her team.

That's not on Rhonda. That's people going, you should do this. No, you're fine. You're so much better. You can do this. We know that she's got some shit advice coming her way. But what is... From a lot of people.

Yes. What is her camp like? You've been close to her while she's training. What is her camp like? You know, I'm not going to go crazy detail. I know she works harder than anyone So if she gets with the right people, she's gonna be a lot better if she gets with the right team that says Maybe don't do this movie right now. Maybe let's save this move after you beat Holly. Maybe let's do this then He's not a problem now too because if she's prepping for the rematch, isn't she about to go do that Roadhouse movie?

Roadhouse, yeah. And isn't a problem that Roadhouse movie, like movies are hard to sell when you're a badass, when the world knows in your last fight you got flatlined. I would suggest it wouldn't be surprising to me the way Hollywood works, where they go, a lot of this movie was built on you being the baddest girl on the planet and undefeated. Don't be surprised if sometimes those kinds of movies fall through. Are they downgraded or maybe a little bit? They just don't happen. I wonder what kind of contract is involved because she's got like big time movie agents. Like I wonder if there's like built in protection against that shit.

I would assume there is. If I'm Dana White, I go, look at me. You're not doing any fucking movies. Your contract's with us. We're not giving you permission to do any of this so anyone who says yes you can make a movie and still beat holly i fire right now right anyone who goes you can do this and still and still be world champion is full of shit it's just not true what do you think about her fighting holly in july uh yeah i don't i don't know man i what the fuck is she gonna do if she if she if she's filming roadhouse while holly's focused like you just talked to holly the other day right

what she wanted to train she wants to go right back to the gym after the fight yes she might have gone to her fucking hotel room and hit pads and ronda can't eat solid foods and then she's gonna make a movie and then jump into camp in the same camp that has been telling her to do all this stuff. Yeah. And the same, you know, it's tough, man. God bless her. Hopefully shit works out. But it's a motherfucker, man.

It is a motherfucker, right? If you wanted to get ready for a fight like that, you would want to go through a battery of physical tests. Like as far as your brain goes, CAT scans, MRIs. Like that was a fucking wallop she took. And when, you know, I've had people on like Dr. Rhonda Patrick and Dr. Mark Gordon who talk about the damage to the pituitary gland and what happens when you get KO'd like that and how important rest is and recovery and how

long it takes to recover from something like that and then we saw the the Anderson fight that we're just talking about how Anderson used to take this tremendous punch then he fought Wybin and you know wasn't the same guy anymore like to jump right back in like this look at look at Mendez too Mendez gets knocked out by Conor gets right back in there we've never seen him get dropped so easily not just drop flatline with one punch. Flatline, man. Yeah, I mean, he came back quick. And Frankie's not a, you know, Frankie's a motherfucker, man.

He throws combos, and he's very active, and he stays, you know, he's more of a barrage of punches and combo puncher. But Frankie's not a knockout artist by any means. But there's also the factor of kind of getting, I wonder, I would imagine any fighter who gets in the ring and realizes that they are just, that's a riddle that's very hard to solve right now. I would imagine for Ronda, as great as she is and as athletic as she is, you know, there's no doubt that Holly Holm looked like she was just far advanced in how to dispatch somebody with kicks. And she was disguising her kicks, punching and stuff like that. I would imagine there's an emotional factor,

which is, can I even do this? Can I solve this riddle in six months? That's not a lot of time to catch up to somebody who's that good. Also, to let all the dust settle as far as the devastation to your emotions, your confidence. Or, you know, Ronda's a very special kind of pit bull. Is she chomping at the bit to get back in there? I mean, is she like fired up and ready to go?

She's a special person. And I don't think there's a middle ground. Either I think she's going to come back and just be a fucking demon, or we're going to see a shell and she's just going to get fucking kicked in the face again and we never see her again. I don't want to see that. I don't think there's a middle ground. Even if she comes back in fucking phenomenal shape

and gets fired up and motivated and does everything the right way and no distractions, Holly might still murder. I agree. Still doesn't have the skills to stand there

and move and have good footwork and all that. If she can't take Holly down and not only that, what if Holly's game plan is even different this time? What if she Muay Tais

the fuck out of those legs? Because let me tell you something about Holly Holm. That girl's got legs like a thoroughbred. You see her bouncing around the octagon and doing those flips? Well, who would you rather have game plan for you? Greg Jackson

right now or the latter over in Glendale? You know what I'm saying? You got six months, son. You got six months of the mad scientist Greg Jackson going, this is what we did this time, this is what we're going to do this time. And Mike Winklejohn.

And Izzy. And Izzy. Yikes. Oh, and now she has confidence. Oh, and John Jones in her camp, and they train together. I know what I'd do. I'd fake an injury. That's what I'd do.

Yeah. But Misha wants to fight her. Misha thinks she's better. Misha's going to get eaten up by Holly Holm With all due respect Misha is not gonna fight that way She's not gonna charge after her like that It's a different animal

It's a good fight I don't know who wins that It's a good fight Misha's got a different style of takedowns She'll shoot for doubles If she gets the clinch she'll vary her approach She's got Ricky Lundell working with her, who's also an excellent grappling coach. She's got some good things going for her.

And then what you're dealing with also is when you see a fighter get into the octagon, you don't know what kind of injuries they've had. You don't know what they're dealing with in training camp that they're trying to overcome. Like when Luke Rockhold said after the fight that he had staph infection, like I talked to Bob Cook about it. Bob Cook, right when they, I go, congratulations. He goes, he almost fucking pulled out of the fight. I go, what?

He goes, yeah, he's had really bad staph. He's been on antibiotics for two weeks. I go, are you fucking kidding me? It's crazy. So you'd never know. Now, when Holly fought Raquel Pennington, she did not look very good. And that was one of the reasons why I didn't think that was a good fight to have right now. She had a split decision victory over Raquel Pennington, she did not look very good. And that was one of the reasons why I didn't think that was a good fight to have right now. She had a split decision victory over Raquel Pennington.

I mean, Raquel almost beat her. She came within a hair of beating her. Let me ask you this, Joe. With these, I want to say, more well-rounded athletes, whenever we see a fighter who charges, like it's almost no skill just to rush forward. They get fucked up by the better fighter. See Aldo? Fucked up. Ronda? Fucked up.

We see these people, they fight so emotionally, come straight forward, and then you see the more talented fighter like, what the fuck? Bink! Yeah, you can't do that. Ronda was way more successful than Aldo at it, and she's fighting lesser competition so it worked. Yeah, well Holly's a fucking hot, for women, Holly is very high level. And it didn't work. Not only didn't work, but she ate a lot hot for women Holly is very high level and it did as high level as it was

No, not only didn't work, but she ate a lot of shots before that one that took her ass That's what I'm saying. She's superior athletes who it's like you're gonna rush forward and do what yeah fuck you up, right? Rhonda does have a fucking phenomenal chin Hopefully still but you look at the shots that she took that fucking elbow that one elbow that clean and she's coming after she blasts her in The job the first time we ever seen him get hit by a really good strike Yes, and you know is one of the things that we were discussing before the fight of like what you got to watch out for Holly When we're doing the pre-fight breakdown, I was like she's so good at shielding her kicks with punches. You don't see him coming

She's hitting you at the end of these punches and then the kicks already coming you know when you watch her RFA fight was our RFA she fought in watch all her other MMA fights and smaller organizations those kicks come out of nowhere man you know and she she knows when to land them you know she doesn't show them until she's ready to land them and then Bob lamb you see her parade in albuquerque 20 000 no really 20 000 people wow came out to see her in albuquerque she told me she told me she's happy to be in vegas because at least it's relaxed because she can't go anywhere in albuquerque she said she tries to take a she tries to go to a restaurant to have a meal there's a line of people at her table that want to take photos with her. That's exhausting.

She won't let her put food in her mouth. That's exhausting. That's rude. Managing championship. Managing the attention. First of all, those people are fucking rude. Yeah. Don't mess with someone when they're eating.

That is weird. That's my first time. I can't believe I'm seeing you all. I don't care about your steak. What about me? What about... Oh, you think you're too good for me? What about me? You deal with it. You deal with that in a crazy way. Oh, I don't deal with it stink. What about me? What about, oh, you think you're too good for me? Well, you deal with it.

You deal with that in a crazy way. Oh, I don't deal with it like she deals with it. I'm like that, 70 people waiting in line. You deal with some shit, though. You deal with some shit, bro. Even when we were at EBI, I was like, good Lord, man. Are we ever going to get in here? Yeah.

It gets a little weird, but it doesn't get, it's also different because I'm a man. Yeah. Like, there's not a bunch of people looking to rape me. Right. You know what I mean? People like raping Holly Holmes. She didn't kick you right in the dick. Right in's not a bunch of people looking to rape me. Right. You know what I mean? You look like raping Holly Holm. She didn't kick you. She didn't kick you right in the dick.

Right in the dick. Go ahead and try and rape her. She'll pancake that dick of yours. There's a couple girls you don't want to try and rape. And scream. Hey! And do that.

Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! That's how I'm hitting mitts now. I make Holly Holm. People are like,

is that Holly Holm? No, it's Brian Callen. Holy shit. He's got the same legs. They can tell the difference when they hear the impact, too. I don't know, man. Yeah.

I don't know. I got crisp, crisp strikes. I've seen you kick the bag, and it was very sad. That's not true. That's not true, because I wasn't opening up. If I open up, when I open up, Master Kim? And when I do this, Master Kim? My next studio is going to have a full gym set up, and I'll let you kick the bag.

We'll videotape it. It's going to be scary. You're going to let me kick the bag? No, I'm going to record it. You're going to kick, and then you're going to kick. He's not going to me Record it you're gonna kick and then you're gonna kick. I'm gonna do that. We're gonna have a photo I definitely won't do that. I kick very hard. Don't make you sad. I kick very hard They call me they call me Brian my nickname when I find I'm not being a dick listen. I say do they call me Brian Okay, rock hold count

You know what you know on stage well they do that now Call me Brian Luke Rockhold. You know what? You know on stage? Well, they do that now. Bro. Oh, is that Brian Luke Rockhold? When we do the live shows, everybody goes, let's see you kick. Oh, God.

Do a kick. And I'm like, God damn it. My wheel kick is sick. What I need to do is get you some of these barbell jeans so you can throw kicks with tight pants on. Dude, I'm obsessed with those. Please. This is the shit, man. Apparently, Diesel makes them, too.

I asked you. I need some. I have a beautiful backside. Contact them. Get makes them to either. I need some I have a beautiful Backside them get a hold of them should they follow you all right get a hold of me lazy fuck All right, Jesus Christ and these you can always just order them. Let's get these chairs, and let's get some barbell Ergo Depot go to Capisco Capisco the jeans stand up let me see how tight they are They're tight You got a dick on you though Rogan has a dick I know he does That's not bad

Dude they're like sweatpants Bro you're basically wearing joggers Dude you're like Anderson Silva with those knees They're joggers with jeans You're ridiculously flexible Do you show off in yoga No I just do yoga There's girls in my class that are 100 times more flexible than me.

This is one Indian chick in my yoga class. She does that bow pose where she gets her foot literally up in the air, like way above her head. It's crazy. It's insane. When it gets crazy like that, I sit there like this. Do you get competitive? I don't get competitive. I don't want to blow my asshole out, so I just sit there.

I'm just like, nope. How often have you been doing this yoga? Three times a week. That's awesome, dude. I love it. Oh, it's so good for your body, right? I love it, man. Do you feel like your back's loosening up and your neck and everything?

For me, it's more of a mental thing. I just feel great after I do it. Me too. More compassionate, relaxed, friendly. Because I'm bored, man. I'm bored. I don't want to say I'm bored with jiu-jitsu, but it's all the same to me, you know? Like, I'm going to the same guy, so I wasn't feeling, like, very motivated.

Why don't you move around? Go to a different gym every now and then? True, true. Are you going gi or all no-gi? Just depends. I'll do both. I'll do both. A lot of no-gi, but I'll do both.

Just depends. Have you thought about doing jiu-jitsu competitions? I don't know when I'd find the time to put the proper training into it. Right. And is it because of doing the podcast or you're about to have a kid. Everything. A lot going on. Podcasts, shows, everything, man.

It takes a lot of time. He does all the merchandising and everything. And I wouldn't want to do myself a disservice by showing up half-assed. Like I would never do that. So unless I can be 100%, there's no way I'd sign up for one. What if like Metamorris came at you or one of those other organizations that's doing, like, EBI? If EBI, I would help. You know, if Eddie approached me and we talked about it was the right timing, I would do it.

I don't know if I'd do Metamorris again just because personal issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But with Eddie, I would. Like some super fight type deal? Yeah, I love Eddie. If he said, hey, I want you to do a super fight here and it was the right time, I'd do it. Would you fight me? Would you fight Cyborg again?

When I say Cyborg, for folks listening, we're not talking about Christina. Is it Christina? Yeah, Christina. Christina Cyborg. Christina. Female Cyborg. Yeah. Well, it used to be Santos.

Yes. Justino, I think it is. I think you're right. She's Invicta Women's 145-pound champion. We're talking about Ricardo Abreu, who's also known as Cyborg. Not to be confused with Cyborg Evangelista. He's also the number one grappler in the world. Yes.

Well, he's very high. Is there a number one guy? He was number one because he beat Boucher last year, I think, in Abu Dhabi. So technically, he won absolute. He's a beast. He's a fucking monster. year, I think, in Abu Dhabi. So technically he won absolute. He's a beast. He's a fucking monster. He's a beast. He's a fucking monster.

And his tornado guard. God damn it, man. You watch that guy. He's a motherfucker. He's amazing. He's amazing. And his strength and conditioning videos are also super inspirational. He's a freak, man.

All the crazy shit that he does. That guy's a beast. I'm a fan, man. And you know what else I like about him? He's like a crazy world traveler. He goes all around the world. He travels to see the world. Really?

Yeah, I follow him on Instagram. He's really cool. Yeah. Good dude. He's talking about wanderlust. He loves going. He was in South Africa. He goes to Africa.

He goes all these different places. Every couple months, his Instagram is him in some new country, having a good time, doing jujitsu. Does he post pictures of his girl on Instagram? I don't know. Her ass. You could sit this fucking coconut. Really?

He walked by. I was like, God damn. I'm sure. You might have got the shop shut down, but you win, my man. Your girl is ridiculous. He's a big, handsome guy. So is yours, by the way. Yeah, it's true.

Both you guys shut him down there, too. It's a double shop shutdown He's like yeah but look at that Oh shit neutralized Check out this LAS son That would be fascinating though To see you guys under that rule set too That EBI rule set is dope

I love the fucking We're talking about Eddie Bravo put together this invitational tournament that Brendan and I went to yesterday and Joey Diaz and it was fucking sensational. Best I've ever seen. I texted Eddie this morning. I said, bro, I've been to a lot of jiu-jitsu competitions. I've been in

high level one myself. I've never seen anything like that. From start to begin, you're like, oh, shit. This is what's great about it. It cuts out all of the, like, no one's going to be in danger. It's going to be, you know, like a total stalemate. Even if it's a total stalemate,

which some of them were, at the end of 10 minutes, you go into positions. Like, you remember in wrestling, how you'd start off behind someone? Well, in this, Eddie will start you off. You have a choice of one or two options.

You could take spider web. Spider web means someone's defending the arm bar, but you have both legs locked on the ground. They're on their back flat. You're inside control with one arm hooked, and you're holding onto the leg. That's how you're allowed to start. Ready, set, go. And you start from there.

Or the other position is you take the back, both hooks in, over, under. Not under the chin, but over, under like this. They're allowed to hold on. They're defending. They hold onto your hand. Ready, set, go. And then it's a battle for there. So everyone's in fucking danger.

Yeah. Everyone's in danger. It's very similar to college football overtime. Yeah. Where you're both in a dangerous position, whoever scores first. And then the cool thing is whoever got out fastest at the end actually won. So if there's no submission.

So if there's no submission, so they'll do like three rounds of it. Is it three rounds? Three rounds, back and forth. You go, he goes. You get advantage, he gets advantage. Or whoever taps the person first gets it. But if you go and you tap him, he has an opportunity to

tap you next because he gets position yes it's incredible it's so good so there's we're at the Orpheum it's sold out there's thousands of people they're fucking jiu-jitsu fans and they're going crazy we had so much fun Wow it was so good for Eddie Bravo Eddie Bravo's killing it he's fucking killing it it's you Eddie Bravo's got 50 fucking schools. Okay, I think more now. I'm saying 50. That's the last count I know of.

I think he opened up a couple more of them. All across the country. He's got affiliates in other countries. How about in the next show? Yeah. The next show is in Mexico City. Mexico City, son. Amazing. $50,000 grand prize.

He's going to be a mogul. For grappling. For grappling. 50 grand. It's such a good production, though. It's about doing what you do really well and focusing just on that. Look what happened. And loving it.

And he's got the best personality ever. Yeah. He's just such a character. He's the greatest. And he's joking around while he's refereeing. He's saying funny things while he's refereeing. But not trying. Right.

You know, like something happened and he jokes around about it. It was great, man. It was dope. It was a cool venue, man. We enjoyed the fuck out of it. It's just so nice to see someone figure out a way to make grappling really exciting. I was planning to leave early. I'm not going to lie to you.

I was like, what lie can I tell Joe to be proud of me? But then, you know, because usually Jiu-Jitsu takes forever and it's kind of boring. That shit was thrilling. Well, I wasn't going to miss it for the world. In fact, I flew in from Vegas. I got up at 5 in the morning.

I went from Vegas. I took the airplane to L.A., drove to Disneyland, hung out with my family until 4 o'clock, got in my car, drove to Eddie's thing. Went from 5 to 8.30 at Eddie's thing. That's fucking nuts, man. You know how I think on the Whitney Cummings podcast you said you look at Kevin Hart and he makes you feel lazy so you want to work harder? Yeah, I think you mentioned something like that. That's what you do for me. I was talking about it with someone the other day.

You were talking to me about it. Yeah, I'm like, dude, what the fuck? On the podcast, man. Because sometimes I'm still in my fighter kind of mindset where it's like, okay, Monday through Friday you do work. Saturday you take off. Sunday you take completely off and then reset on Monday and then Wednesday's light days. So, you know, I'm kind of used to that but there's none of that in this world I'm in

now. Not when we're doing that web series. Not when we're coming up with ideas. But all this, man. And then I text you. I'm like, dude, you're fucking nuts. I can't believe you do that. And you text me and you said, I don't waste time. I screenshot that. You're like, dude, you're fucking nuts. I can't believe you do that. And you text me and you said, I don't waste time. I don't waste time. I screenshot that.

You're like, I don't fucking waste time. I'm like, he's fucking nuts. It was like when somebody wanted your number and you were like, you know what? I don't have time for people like that. I don't want to deal with that. Yeah, well, that dude's, yeah. I enjoy a lot of things. And what I've found that the best way to live my life for me, I'm not saying, you know, other people.

Some people really love their life to sit around and fuck off. When I sit around and fuck off, I don't like me. I like to get things done. But the things that I do, they're recreational. They're all fun. Like Disneyland was fun as fuck with my kids. Eddie Bravo Invitational was fun as fuck. The UFC was fun as fuck. The UFC was fun as fuck. My sold-out show at the Ca Theater where they do the Cirque du Soleil at MGM.

With Joey Diaz and Jim Norton Friday night, fun as fuck. Fuck is fun as fuck, too. Those are jobs, right? But those are fun things. And training is fun. Stand-up comedy couldn't be any funner. The only real work work is I've got to discipline myself to sometimes work out when i don't want to right when i don't want to but but but i this is this is how i feel it's harder for me to not do what i'm supposed to do than it is for me to do what i'm supposed to do

because if i don't do what i'm supposed to do then i deal with regret and doubt i don't i've done it before i've done it a lot of my life i I've felt those feelings. I don't like it. So what I do is I just don't do that. I just say, well, what is the difference? If I don't do it, then I'm going to have to feel like I didn't do it and feel like a loser. So get after it, bitch. Well, I think it's good just for people to hear it and to know your schedule because you're at where you're at, you know what I'm saying, because of your work ethic. So for me, if I look at someone and it's like, God, how'd they get there?

Fuck, man. the schedule is insane it's very rare that someone is successful that doesn't have a crazy schedule yes and if they are they're not going to appreciate it they're gonna you know like but it's it's all like what what is where you're at like is where you're at where you want to be like are you enjoying it because i'm what what i'm happy about the most is that i enjoy what i do so when i'm doing like if i was working as a ceo of some fucking corporation or something like that and i was putting all these crazy hours like the same kind of hours i put in now the same kind of effort i'd probably be a miserable drunk pill popping psychopath who's just looking to escape and go bang hookers or something i'd be looking

for some sort of a release you need to know why you're doing it like i think you gotta get back to the why sometimes when you lose motivation you've got it you've got to go back to the why what are you really trying to do you know it's it's like with stand-up i was thinking about this this weekend a lot and and you get to a point in stand-up and you know this is making a lot of people laugh for an hour is not really a lot of people can do that are you are you growing are you writing new stuff are you being thematic are you surprising yourself are you coming up with a whole new angle a new idea or are you falling back on your old tricks even if it's a variation on that theme and that that challenge never goes away yeah there's that feeling when you don't do

a new joke because you like you're scared of it. It's not going so well. So you go back to some old stuff that you know works, and it gets a laugh, and it kills, but you feel hollow. You feel dead inside. Yeah, exactly. Well, you can't fake yourself. You can't trick yourself. No. The guys who can are monsters.

Terrible. I can't do it. I feel unauthentic. And also, when you do stand-up, you have people coming back to see you three times or whatever. You owe it to them. I can't come back with the same bag of tricks. And it's really hard to write new material. It's really hard to have a new hour and be thematic after a year.

It's really, really difficult. But part of me dies when I go back sometimes to Old Faithful just to get that laugh. It's not satisfying. But you also have to be entertaining. One of the things I said, I talked to Jim Jeffries about this. I'm like, when you do, not Jim Jeffries, Jim Gaffigan,

I'm like, when you do a new special, do you abandon all your own material? He goes, yeah, a lot of it. But he goes, it's important for me to do new stuff, but it's also important for me to do well. Yeah. It's like,

do people pay a lot of money to come see me? I have to make sure the show is really good. And sometimes I get people shout out, they like some of the old stuff. They want to see me. I have to make sure the show is really good And sometimes I get people shout out they like some of the old stuff They want to see the old the new the old songs. Mm-hmm. So you'll give it to them and stuff But well, Jeffrey says or excuse me Gaffigan. I keep doing that Gaffigan has that with that Hot Pockets thing Yes, yes, can't sofa can't do stand-up without doing that hot pocket. People want to see it Yeah, and sometimes Louis CK they'll yell out the bag of dicks had some that bag of dicks joke Yeah, you know, yeah, man, you Had some of that bag of dicks joke.

Yeah, man, you miss some of those old beats and those old songs. But I think if you're not constantly a little bit uncomfortable, this is going to sound weird, but I was thinking about this. I go and spar with Chris Van Erden. He doesn't beat me up. He doesn't hit me. I mean, he'll hit me, but I say, just don't break my jaw. Please don't hit me in the nose.

But I'm nervous. I'm always nervous. I don't want to go spar. I don't doesn't hit me. I mean, he'll hit me, but I say, just don't break my jaw. Please don't hit me in the nose. But I'm nervous. I'm always nervous. I don't want to go spar. I don't want to do it. I'm nervous. And we move around, and we'll go four rounds. I'm exhausted. I look like shit. I get hit.

I don't feel good. But when I do that, and I feel uncomfortable, and I sit in my car, and I'm all sweaty, and I did a bad job, but I overcame that fear on a Saturday, and I went and did it anyway. Something happens where I get more creative, where I just start writing. I don't know what it is, but it opens up a different channel. It's brain trauma. Maybe. It's also a lack of regret because you don't have the regret that you didn't shy away from something that was challenging to you. Instead, you embraced it and then you got excited to the fact that you did it.

Yeah, I did it. And being excited about things also is like creative fuel. I think it's so important to do that. I'll tell you what, I'm not finding that physically. I get it mentally from all the shows and our merchandise

and doing all this in the podcast, but as far as physically... Ito Borto, take his class. Take Ito Borto. But you're getting it a little bit out of... I just realized that's a Fighter and the Kid t-shirt, the Metallica shirt. Yeah, you're not mad at that.

That's hilarious. I love it. That's our West Coast tour. I can't wait for Scrooge McDuck. There will be a Scrooge McDuck Fighter and the Kid shirt. I will be wearing it on this podcast. It will be limited edition because Warner Brothers will find out about it and it will be a problem.

Yes. We'll release it on the darkness. He's going to have to sell it only with Bitcoin. So nobody can get money out of it. Huh? Sue? Huh? I didn't get any money for those. We're out of here. I got to run. 4.30.

Come see me at the Atlanta Improv this weekend, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I heard it's a great room. It's a great room. I love Atlanta. Love it. I'm doing the Tabernacle there in January, I think. Sold out. Sorry. You do theaters? Fire in the Kid Live. You know how I do. Fire in the Tabernacle there in January, I think? Sold out. Sorry. You do theaters?

Fire in the Kid Live. You know how I do. Fire in the Kid Live. Go to tfatk.com. How we doing? We got Seattle. How we doing? Seattle, Portland.

Seattle, Portland, Vegas, San Diego. Everyone else sold out. Fighterinthekidlive.com. Is that what it is? Nope. It's just tfatk.com. Atlanta Improv this weekend.

T-Fat K. And I'm at the Bob Carr Theater in Orlando on Friday night alright see you later you fucks see you later you fucks you