The Joe Rogan Experience - #764 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: February 23, 2016

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast “The Duncan Trussell Family Hour" on Spotify.

These are great fucking mods. Sweet bitches, here we go. Here we go again. We're sober, I just realized that. No! We should probably do something to stop that while we're doing the podcast. Great. Dude, we archered today.

We archered. I don't think that's the right way to say it. We arched. It was so think that's the right way to say it. We arched. It was so fun. So addicted to it now. To archery. You're like a legitimate archer. No.

Yeah, you are. You have like a full setup. You do it all the time. You practice in your yard. That's right. You know what you're doing. It's incredibly addictive, man. It's very satisfying.

And it's a great goddamn metaphor for everything. Thank you, sir. Duncan's doing the traditional way. He's got the wooden arrow shafts and the traditional recurve bow, which, by the way, any time I post a picture of archery or something like that, you get that, if you're not using traditional bow, you're a pussy. Yeah, you're doing it the man way. Well, I'm traditionally missing the fucking target, too.

Well, some guys hunt like that. Which, when you, I mean, there's guys that are obviously way better at that shit than you or I. But when you think about what you were shooting, how you were shooting today,

and how I was shooting your bow today, and imagine trying to hit an animal, like maybe even a moving animal. It's nuts. I mean, you're using what you're shooting what doesn't even look like a bow. It looks like something that fell out of a diamond shaped spaceship it's really weird it's a very weird looking bow whereas like my bow basic robin hood style

recurve bow but i get it man i would not want to hunt an animal with a recurve bow because it seems like it would be inhumane like it seems that unless you're if you're going to kill something be very precise about it and i'm sure people with recurve bows though of course if they you've shot your whole life it is precise i guess yeah they could be probably close to as precise as i am with a compound bow but not for like long distances it's it really can't cover the same kind of distances. I can shoot, like we were shooting today. I shot that elk target at 65 yards,

and I was putting it in the heart at 65 yards. That would be really, really hard to do with a recurve bow. Really hard. Yeah, you'd have to have a very powerful bow to do that. I mean, that's a big, seems to be part of the problem. You know, I don't know anything about it like i just you know i i remember after the last podcast we did you show me your bow and then that kind of floated around in my head a little bit like man that'd be cool to start shooting then i've you know now i have a yard so the other day i went out and was like doing yard work like you know like raking leaves and weed eating and all the shit I hated shit man shit stuff I hated when I was a kid but now it's the

it's the best something clicks inside of you where it's just like this is all I want to do I just want to weed eat I just want to it's like that's that's being in your 40s is where you're like I was like vacuuming up the leaves like the leaf blower. You could reverse it and suck leaves into a bag and it's just like my God. This is heaven. Well, it's your place. So when you have a place and it has a nice yard, you know, like lawn maintenance and stuff like that has always been something that men get into. Yeah. That's why they're always yelling, get off my fucking lawn.

Yeah. People are like, that old man gets mad when you're on his lawn. Well, you're messing up his art. His precious art. His zen sand castle. That's right. You've seen that zen sandbox thing that people do where they just comb the sand perfectly. Yeah.

Yeah. Now that's very interesting you know that that process of like being in the moment and then you know doing anything in the moment is incredible but i've i've i spent a long time not going outside enough and that is a really fucking awful thing that can happen to you where you just forget about outside. Like outside is the place between your house and your car or your car and your office. And that's outside. But, and so when you're not outside and you're living inside the artificial cave, you're cutting yourself off from a very specific field of data that starts teaching you if you're out there in it at all, for any amount of time, It's a narcotic.

I've been inside so much that I feel when I go outside like I've taken a Vicodin or something. It feels that good. Is this like during the dark days of video game addiction? Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. This is a, yeah. It's yeah. Video game addiction, internet addiction, just a general feeling that, that the outside is just, you just don't do it. You're just in too much, you know? So that I think it's a, so many people are afflicted by this, that you get so disconnected from this rhythm that's out there that when you finally start feeling it again, it's like eating something when you haven't been eating in a long time or drinking something. You just

want to stay out there and feel it. So yeah, I got the bow because I knew it put me outside more. You know, I got to let these people know that we're live. I didn't tweet it. Give me one second here. But what what make you decide to get that kind of a bow? Like, did you have someone help you? Did you go to an archery place or how'd you do it? Yeah, I went to an archery place and the guy, you know, the guy showed me compound bows. But, you know, as far as I'm concerned, if you're not shooting a recurve bow, you're not really shooting. You're not a man. You're not a man. So, no, I just you're not a man you're not a man so no i i just the compound bows man that's a commitment it looks like too much of a commitment there's too much

going on there it's a serious thing it looks like it's for hunting i don't intend to go hunting i just want to stand outside shooting and with my little poodle sits by the pool and watches me and I just shoot arrows and it's a fucking blast. I love it. But so this guy, this kid, uh, who's like, uh, arch arched, who's like done archery his entire life. I know nothing about this fucking thing, but I hope I don't seem like I'm an expert on art. It's like two-week obsession. So this kid is explaining it to me about the difference between a recurve bow and a compound bow, and he said, basically, a compound

bow, everything's better than a recurve bow, but a recurve bow is a great way to learn. So I get this recurve bow. The little bastard sells me the wrong fucking arrows, which I didn't even find out. He sold me compound bow arrows, and so I was shooting with those for a while and each of them would be precisely off in the exact same place because compound bow arrows are they're plastic vinyl whatever that

shit is so when they hit the bow they at least when they hit a recurve bow when they hit the bow, at least when they hit a recurve bow, when they hit the arrow rest, it throws them off in a specific way, whereas feathers are more pliable. This is what somebody explained to me after I went back and bought these other arrows. But, man, it's an addiction. It's expensive. You keep wanting to buy shit and add stuff onto it and upgrade. It's really, really fun, though. and add stuff onto it and upgrade. It's really, really fun, though.

Well, the compound bow is even more addictive because there's different kind of sights and different kind of rests, and there's drop-away rests, and there's whisker biscuits, and there's all these different... Whisker biscuits? Yeah, it's like a bunch of different fibers that your arrow sits on. So instead of a rest that's... So, like, a lot of people have a rest that's called a drop-away rest, meaning as you release the arrow,

the cables and the strings to the rest are attached. So as you are drawn back, the rest is up, and your arrow is sitting on the rest. As you release, the rest drops. And so the arrow takes off on the string without the resistance of the rest being there. That's cool. It just launches it in the air. That's a whisker biscuit. Wow. So that's the kind where it's a bunch of fibers,

which over long periods of time can, like long distances, can slightly affect the amount of feet per second. Not much, but like two or three feet per second over the course of like 40 yards or something like that, which is, you know, you're talking about the difference between like 288 feet per second, 285 feet per second. Like it doesn't matter.

It's still insanely fast and powerful. So that's some, some people like that kind, that whisker biscuit kind, but mine is the one that drops away. It's so cool that this thing has evolved to this point. That's crazy. Amazing. Right. It's crazy now.

All the different evolutions that the bow has had from the moment somebody realized if you take a tight string and put it between sticks and pull it back. Well, you know, yours is a recurve, and a recurve is a totally different thing. That was like the original compound bow. Right.

It was the original technology. Because they figured because of the curve of the curve of the way your bow is designed that you can generate much more power that way the regular kind of long bow so that was the old school kind that you see in like the robin hood days and shit like that but the recurve was like the mongols like someone around that time figured out how to make that and they made these bows with um insanely powerful wood and they used animal horn and all kinds of other shit and they made some glues and one of the things with their glues

was when it was raining out they couldn't fight right their fucking bows would fall apart right it was soaking it was pouring rain they had to get the fuck out of dodge dude their bows would fall apart if the the paste and shit they have holding them together got wet. Right. That's so weird. It's so crazy. There's so many things that throughout history, there's so many unknown people who figured out these amazing things. Like someone figured out how to advance the bow to the point that it became

a long bow like someone worked that and before that someone just figured to me all of these little moments in history are so interesting and so frustrating because most of them you'll never witness right that moment like the moment somebody made fire right that's a thing you'll never see that one because someone had to do it first. Now, maybe people did it all over the planet at the same time, or if there are people over the planet, depending on which explanation for how people got it. I think Hancock believes people were spread out way before the out of Africa theory, right? But anyway. Someone somewhere figured out how to do it.

That's incredible. They probably saw something happen that caused a fire, and then they tried to recreate it until they were successful. Right. But the moment they were successful, imagine the fucking look on the guy's face, the first guy that figured out he can make fire on his own. Yeah.

Like the first guy that used one of those bows with the bits in the teeth. Have you seen those? We used two hands. The real hardcore guys, they use a bow with a bit in their teeth so they put the bit in their teeth and then there's a stick right and then they have the bow and because of that they can use two hands so they're clamping down on the bit they go like this and you just see it starts smoking it was a guy that was on one of those crazy mountain men shows. I don't know which one it was, but one of those shows where dudes are living alone in the fucking Life Below Zero. That's who it was.

It was the guy in Life Below Zero who lives by himself in like a tool shed. It's like this tiny little shack in Alaska where he's miles and miles and miles from civilization. And for most of the year, this guy lives like this where he just subsists off the land by himself. He just eats caribou. He has to fend wolves off of his property. And he doesn't bring matches with him because you could always run out of matches. He wants to be able to make a fire consistently on his own.

So he brings this bit and the bow. That's how he starts his fires. That's cool. It's insane. It's super cool. It's insane. Have you seen the YouTube primitive technology channel? It's really great.

It's so badass. It's like a guy. I don't know where he is. He's somewhere where there's a lot of mud and trees. And he shows how to construct a tiled roofed hut just using mud and fire. He built his own kiln. Whoa. And he can bake his own tiles.

Whoa. Check this guy out. It's really cool. No talking either. He just shows how it's done step by step. Whoa. Yeah, but he's a badass, man. That guy is really cool.

And that kind of stuff is amazing. It's amazing to know. It's foundational. But he's a badass, man. That guy is really cool. And that kind of stuff is amazing. It's amazing to know. It's foundational, you know? Amazing when you find one guy who's like, who's this fucking blister? Jesus Christ, look at his hands. So he's just showing you everything. That's so interesting.

He's not saying a word. Right. No, he doesn't say anything. No, it's just like, here's the kind of rock you use. It's an awesome skill to have. It really is. But you know what the fucking problem with this kind of privative shit is? And I don't want to sound like I'm pessimistic.

But oftentimes, if it's down to using this kind of stuff, I mean, if this is what we're back down to, we're fucked. You almost don't want to make it. I mean, the way the human race is depicted in that movie The Road yes it's probably real close to how it would go down well look at the way life was during the Black Plague

it was like that there was a semi-apocalypse that swept around the planet and people became insane they thought ringing bells would cure it people slide very quickly away from the land of logic and science when uh shit gets weird well not only that the logic the word of logic and science is only connected through electricity when the electricity goes out that logic and science goes with it and you get back the same

kind of bullshitting that used to have in the 80s. When dudes are like, you know what I heard, bro? I heard there's a fucking base underneath the penthouse. They could go right to the moon, bro. They just press a button and shoot right up to the moon. Who told you that? My uncle worked for the Secret Service. He's deep inside the heart of darkness.

Those were the days. Those were the days. People would just make shit up. They just made shit up. People today do not understand how much of a fucking problem that was when we were growing up. These people that would just make up crazy stories. And you're like, is that guy telling the truth? Like, everybody could lie back then.

It was so hard to get busted. You could pretend you were a nom. Guys would pretend they were a nom all the time. That's right. They would make up some crazy fake military history. Yeah. That was super common, man. No way to investigate someone.

Super common. You'd have to hire a private eye. Yeah, especially if a guy read a book and knew a lot about the time period if he was a real aficionado. Yeah. So then, how much more so way, way, way back when people didn't

understand. This is why magicians are so powerful back then like if you could do imagine sending just a classic street magician back in time a few thousand years who can do that stuff in front of people who have still believe the earth is flat but he can like you know do basic coin magic yeah that person's gonna seem like a god that person's gonna seem like a warlock yeah yeah there's there's very few people that are alive today like we can't i don't even think we could intellectualize what life was like back when no one could read right well how about what life was like when when no one could read. Right. How about what life was like when, you know, before the Bible was translated. Right.

Back when you had to have priests do all the translating and no one could read it. Yeah. That was a real issue. Yeah. Have you ever seen that? Listen to that Dan Carlin podcast on that? No. It's The Rise of Lutherism.

And Martin Luther and Martin Luther being one of the first guys who translated it phonetically. And that when he did, there was all sorts of fucking crazy chaos going on where people were all of a sudden not needing the priests to interpret the word of God anymore. And you could read it for yourself. And not only that, he was saying this was the most blasphemous thing of all. yourself and not only that he was saying this was the most blasphemous thing of all he was saying that you could determine for yourself what god meant in these passages that it was up to like as a man you could read god's word and determine through and they were like what the fuck are you saying this is our gig you're ruining this is our fucking gig i mean can you imagine the bible was only in a language that they could read that That's right. It wasn't in German.

Yeah. And so all these people were like under the thumb of this weird thing that was connected to God. Yeah. And we're still under that thumb because the Bible now is psilocybin. The Bible now is LSD. The Bible now are all these wonderful psychedelics that a very small group of people have controlled for a really long time. But when you have a nice psychedelic experience, you're reading the word of God, if you ask me. And this is a thing where you can have a direct connection with it. You don't need anybody there to interpret or translate it. You just have a nice chat with the universe. And there are people who want to arrest us now for having that conversation in the same way that you could probably get arrested at some point for reading the Bible or you could worse than that, you get murdered for it. If you didn't have the right

credentials, if you hadn't gone through the right initiation. Yeah. Same thing. It never changes, man. It never changes. Anytime there's an information stream, there's always a group of cunts doing everything they can to control it. Always. It's so true.

It's so true. Always. And, you know, they say, they will say, no, this is not, you know, the prohibition on psychedelics is not what you think, hippie. This isn't done because when people take psychedelics, they recognize that there's some major flaws in the concept of money. And maybe it isn't the best thing to sell your life energy for the majority of your life to somebody to make way less money than you deserve for selling the life energy of a being that, as far we know is completely unique at least in this galaxy if not and I mean planets are relatively unique so if you're a being on a planet that's aware of itself you're a pretty special thing as far as our understanding of the universe goes so your life energy per hour is actually super probably a billion dollars an

hour is what anybody's life energy is really worth. So anyway, the whole point is you start taking- No, that's a great point. I mean, that's the key to life. The key to life is to value your time. Right. The key to life is to value your time and try as much as you can to direct it towards things you love, being with people you love, doing things you love. Doing things you love. Right.

And recognize that the more you do that you have to compromise, the more you do where you're only doing it for a paycheck or you're only doing it because you want to play it safe or you're only doing it for any, figure out whatever the negative reason would be. Anytime you're doing anything like that, you're wasting time. Yeah. You're wasting the most precious thing you can have. Yeah. Theoretically. I mean, this seems to be a very rare... Man, I'm... This book. You gotta read this book. Bill Bryson, A Brief

History of Nearly Everything. That's the one you were talking about today. Yes. Holy shit, man. Like, his... You know, he's just very good at taking this, you know, some pretty dense ideas. I'm writing it down like I'm gonna pretend I'm gonna read it. You lie! You'll read this. A Brief History of Nearly Everything? Yeah'm gonna read it you lie i you'll read this this brief history of nearly everything yeah i would put this one this is as good as like the

archaic revival or it's not about psychedelics but it's his it's psychedelic just because it's he's so good at um articulating this shit that's incredibly difficult to understand you know like uh the the gravity you know gravity being the you know what gravity is do you know what gravity is not really so i mean i know it makes the earth really sticky so yeah that's the larger the planet is the more mass uh the planet has the stronger the gravity pull is that's why the moon is one six earth's gravity mars is one it was like one half or one quarter right but i'm not gonna say right like i know i'm gonna say right like i imagine i don't know mars is less it's those are issues like that they have to deal with when they go into space and

they don't have gravity you know right their bones get all fucked up the the so what's happening here according now anyone out there is a scientist i do not think of myself as a scientist I'm wait what about that shit you were saying earlier today man I told Joe I was a scientist fuck bro so yeah like it's gonna surprise anybody I just don't want the inevitable like shut the fuck up we're just talking we're just talking so in this book it says that what gravity is, is you get this incredibly heavy thing, a thing with a lot of mass and the mass pushes in to the time space continuum. And so it's like, they compare it to like putting a lead ball on a mattress. It creates an indentation and gravity is actually the indentation and it's in time space. And so that's why, like, if you roll a ball towards a, like, if you put a kettlebell on your mattress and roll a ball towards it, it'll start falling towards the kettlebell.

And that's what planets are doing. They're falling towards or they're trapped in this sort of indentation created. What a great way of putting it. Yeah. Really small, heavy weight in the center of the mattress and everything gets sort of sucked into its what a great way of putting it yeah it's a really small heavy weight in the center of the mattress and everything gets sort of sucked into its wake that's it that's the most psychedelic thing oh there it is oh cool yeah check this out this is it this explains gravity so if i have another object it also warps space time they feel that and they're

attracted to each other and so that's so that's Einstein's picture of gravity. Objects warp spacetime, feel that curvature, and move accordingly. And if you have more mass, oh, okay. You're right there on that. You have more mass, it's going to spend space-time more. And so if you have objects there...

We're looking at like a trampoline. It's like an impromptu trampoline that they've made with... It looks like a tablecloth or something. They just stretched over this hole, a rim, and they're dropping things in the center. So that's what they're talking about. This is probably like a little too visual to really get across at all. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's a pretty good description. It's a trampoline with a heavy thing in the middle and this guy's like dropping marbles on it. Yeah. And he's showing how everything's getting sucked into the center. And that's gravity visualized. And that's the name of it on YouTube.

Yeah. center and that's gravity visualized and it's that's the name of it on youtube yeah grab but so so all of this stuff like in the introduction bryson's like he's i think he said he was on a ship or he's flying over the ocean he really and he's like i don't i don't know how big the earth is i don't know how much water is in the ocean i don't know how far away the moon is he realized he didn't know any of this shit. And so he started researching all of these things and interviewing all of these cosmologists and physicists. And then he took it all and put it in a really understandable way. Like he cut through, because a lot of this stuff is so dense. Like Newton wrote what is considered to be one of the most famous texts on, I guess, physics called the Principia.

I don't know. You can look it up. The Principia something. But he intentionally made it difficult. It's considered, Bryson says, it's one of the most difficult books to read. And he did that because he wanted to separate the real mathematicians and scientists from everybody else. He didn't want normal people to have access to this information but yeah it is the philosophy naturalist principia mathematica by isaac newton that guy was a fucking freak man they were he was nuts they were trying to figure out um they oh god there was some equation that they didn't understand.

God, what was it? They were trying to figure out shit. Well, back then they were trying to figure out everything. How big is the Earth? They were trying to figure out why planets, the moon moves in the ellipses or something, like the way planets move. And so they've been working on this forever. Forgive me again, you guys.

I'm sure I'm butchering But I'm doing my best and like this uh this Famous mathematician goes to see Isaac Newton and asked him about this problem that they've been working on forever And he's like oh yes. I've already solved it And then they were like the guys like we'll show it to us And he's like no problem, and he goes and he's got stacks and stacks of paper and he can't find it. Like it's lost somewhere among his papers. But he inevitably found it.

Now, here's what's weird about fucking Newton. Aside from the fact that he. Never had sex. Well, no, he never had sex. That's right. And then do you know that he studied the Temple of Solomon? Did you know he's into that shit? He was into alchemy.

Yeah. But what did that mean back then? Like back then, we now look at it as like old retarded shit that people did when they were trying to like make gold out of lead and use witchcraft and shit like that. Not witchcraft. But yeah, I mean, an alchemist, you think of almost as a magician, don't you? Well, I mean, an alchemist, I think of as early. It's an early chemist it's

another name for chemist so a lot of it was bullshit right like a lot of it was well i mean here's the thing this is newton right isaac newton one of the most famous minds ever yeah who discovered all of this shit when he's surrounded now what we were talking about earlier yeah the liars and people who just make shit up. Back then, you're like Isaac Newton, surrounded by these people who will kill you if you make the wrong discovery and say it in the wrong way. That's the level of, you are surrounded by idiots on all sides, like idiots unlike any idiot that we've ever encountered.

And it's not their fault that they're idiots, they just don't have the information. So you're studying these alchemical texts, You're studying this really weird ancient stuff. And from that, you come up with all this stuff that turns out to be real. I think Isaac Newton figured something out studying the temple of salt. And I think it probably added to his understanding of math somehow. That's some sacred geometry is in there that I couldn't possibly hope to understand. But look, man, if this is the guy who like figured out so many of the things that we still use today, if he's studying the Temple of Solomon, I'm not going to, I think there's

something, there must be something to it. Like something, what, like in what way? Like it's some sort of an encoding of information in the architecture sure yeah definitely like some maybe somewhere in there there was some well they definitely did that in Egypt have you ever seen some of the breakdowns of the the temples the various temples and what they're especially the temple of man yeah if you're seeing the breakdowns I've heard about it. I haven't I don't know Forget me John Anthony West is the guy if you're interested in it at all

He's got this series on Egypt called magical Egypt and apparently he just released magical Egypt 2 Which the guys are he is like one of the most knowledgeable guys when it comes to the history of Egypt. I mean, he's amazing He's just so engrossed in it. People don't take him that seriously because I don't think he has a master's or a PhD in it. I think he's just a guy who's been obsessed with it, so he's been studying it forever. But he knows so much about it. And watching what he's saying along with just the videos of the temples where he's describing all the different types of artwork and the way they constructed it and how you know it's basically constructed around the fibonacci sequence so the entire building is mathematically it's like sequenced the same way like a human body

as like the proportions of a human body right? It's really fucking intense like they were so fucking smart Yeah, and I just think it's almost in the evidence of how Incredibly smart they were to build these just insane buildings that are still insane today, and they did them 2500 years BC like what the fuck were people like back then, man? What happened? How did they go from that to trailer parks? How is the same people that can build the Temple of Giza, how are they the same people that are about to elect Donald Trump? Right.

How is that? What happened? What's going on with human beings? Some of them reach these insanely high frequencies and the rest just eat their ankles while they're fucking trying to climb the mountain? Sure. Is that what it is?

Yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of, like, if you look at like the, you know, I think it's in China, these, you know about the thumb monkeys? Have you seen these?

The thumb monkeys. They're these little monkeys you can buy. Oh, yeah. Tiny little sweeties. They're tiny. They're so cute. They're endangered though, right? Oh, yeah. It's bad. You shouldn't have a thumb monkey. I don't, yeah. Tiny little sweeties. They're tiny. They're so cute. They're endangered, though, right? Oh, yeah.

It's bad. You shouldn't have a thumb monkey. Of course they're fucking endangered. They're the size of... They're tiny. How are they not endangered? Mice aren't endangered. Oh, they're so cute.

Thumb monkeys, right? Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Hold on. Wait a minute.

What we need to do is just save these and everybody have these as pets. Right. Endangered. What is this endangered? Let's throw some money at this problem. Come on. I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard. How come I can't have a thumb monkey?

I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because these assholes don't know how to take care of them. Bring them to America where people love thumb monkeys. We'll take care of them. We'll breed them like crazy. We'll give them all protein powder and Save the thumb

monkey. Yeah, we'll give them vitamins and shit. Let's do a benefit. Oh, come on. Look at that cute little face. Dude, I'm telling you we can do this. All we have to do is get them to fuck. We create like a gigantic thumb monkey paradise. Look, animals when they're safe, they fuck, okay? That's just what happens.

All you have to do is just get them chilled out and they'll fuck the shit out of each other. I could watch hours of thumb monkeys fucking. I bet they fuck only in the mouth. That's the problem. That's why there's so few of them. They're like, hey assholes! You keep fucking each other in the mouth, that's why there's only ten of you.

You gotta stick it in their pussy. There's something about thumb monkey pussy. It's just rotten. And they don't just hang on your thumb, guaranteed. So what we're going to have to do is we're going to go in there and jerk them off and get little vials of thumb monkey cum and just start squirting in the females. Jerk off the thumb monkeys? Yeah, that's the only way.

We have to save them so we can use them as pets. Yeah, man. I've been jerking off thumb monkeys all day. I'm exhausted. And then some people are going to find out how delicious they are and then we're going to have a real problem. That's a problem. Because people are going to be eating thumb monkeys. Or they give you a little more energy.

Yeah, they make you younger. What if they found out they gave you a six pack? Eat a thumb monkey instant. The dick gets an inch bigger every time you eat one. No more thumb monkeys. No more thumb monkeys! It'd be swarms of humans descending with giant dicks it'd be like that bit that i used to have about big dick pills people be coming out of the thumb monkey forest with their mouth covered in blood and fur and it's one thing too like we would not let you eat

fellow primates we have rules in this country at least if If you could prove that a pig is smarter than a thumb monkey, and it might be. Yeah. Still okay to eat pigs. Not okay to eat a thumb monkey, even if it's stupid. There's something about the little look on its face when you go to grab it. It's like, ah! Yeah. You can't eat your own kind, man.

Well, it's not even our own kind, dude. Well, it looks close enough to us. It's too close, right? It's pretty close, man. It's pretty close, man. It's too close. Pretty close. But the point is, man, if you get that happening, right, then why wouldn't it happen with humans that, like, some humans are going to diverge?

Some humans are going to vote for Trump. Some humans don't want to hear Isaac fucking Newton talking about his goddamn bullshit. And those humans usually are really violent. And that's why people like Isaac Newton end up becoming relatively reclusive. They don't want to deal with these. They're constantly dealing with people who are idiots. Like, idiots and who are idiots. Like, I'm an idiot.

But if someone corrects me and it seems undeniable then i'll refine you're a completely different kind of idiot than an idiot from the 1400s right i'm a different idiot like these idiots are like they will kill you they will imprison you they will incinerate you so we're in it we're idiots we're both idiots but we're idiots in the age of information right like we're so much more informed today, even the dumb amongst us, than anyone that's ever lived. Right. Than any civilization ever. If even the really brilliant people, you go to Thomas Edison or someone.

If you had Thomas Edison alive today, he would know jack shit about the way this world works. Because there's too much information that doesn't apply Like whether you need today right that he just didn't have he'd ever a few weeks He'd have a lot it would be a long time before he totally understood what the fuck was going on But my point being that you're talking about people that were the most informed people in the world during their time The regular person today is way more informed than them on so many different things. Even if it's just instantaneously by being connected to Google, if they have the will to check, there's more information now today than your average dumbass can just grab a

hold of it and use it for an argument. More in instant than anybody that's ever lived. So all these people that Newton was dealing with oh my god How many of them even could read right how many how many of them just believe the most? Unbelievably retarded shit and thought there were demons waiting for him in the woods sure and thought that they had to do the will of God Otherwise the apocalypse would ensue and they have to lock up Galileo and make sure he doesn't tell everybody that the Earth is in the center of the universe. Yeah, most of them, man.

How do those guys get through when we're complaining about a tweet? Right. Oh, man, I got so much fucking hate for this tweet. Yeah, right. Galileo got locked up for being right. They put him in house arrest. One of the most brilliant astronomers and one of the most important people in the world at the time for, and maybe even ever,

when it comes to getting the people to try to understand the perspective of what we're dealing with when we're looking up into the heavens. Right. That it's very possible that you're looking at something that absolutely doesn't have an end.

Right. This isn't something we can define and it's proof positive that the pettiness and nonsense that we we wrestle with on a day-to-day basis is a fucking fantastic distraction from the eternity above our heads at any given moment and this eternity that you're trying to attach to a book that was clearly written by people even fucking dumber than us yeah even less informed than us yeah with less information right more scared yeah the oldest guy in the fucking tribe was 19 right everybody's dead by the time they're 30 everybody's got gangrene and malaria your mom got eaten by a crocodile and you got to distinguish though information from navigation you know like so it's

like you you're you're in this dimension that you've got to navigate through for a certain period of time right so the bible or the the torah or whatever the religious scripture is that you're looking at it is the data in it as far as the age of the earth where things came from a lot of that data is obviously completely fucking wrong yeah you could see how someone think of it it's like what a six-year-old might think it's so but you could see a young version of humanity would think these things that make sense but with like encased within all that bad data are some pretty great navigational tips so it's so you got to be able to unpeel all the bad information and look deeper and see if there's anything in there that is like because because when you were talking about

uh not newton who was it uh galileo if we brought him back here he would be confused Thomas Thomas yeah so I think a lot of these people have developed navigational techniques that would work or they would adapt you would adapt quick and that's what's important it doesn't matter how much data you're getting you know it's like this is what I love about archery is that archery you're dealing with data right you're dealing with so every time you fire an arrow, you get an instantaneous feedback from the target, right? So you know, here's where I'm off. No question about it.

No arguing about it. No matter how, that is not the bullseye. And I can clearly see that's not the bullseye. And so then you make adjustments, right? So I, oh, okay. So if I just move a little bit to the left, then maybe I'll get closer to the bullseye. And I've noticed with archery,

my ego, even when I, will have me shoot the arrow in the exact same way, even though I'm still off the fucking target, you know? Like you say, no, no, no. You were right. The arrow was wrong. Yes. That's how the brain works.

Like it felt right. Just keep doing it. So, so, so you've got it even though the feedback from the universe like nope wrong don't take that approach to butt fucking ever you hurt somebody not you hurt somebody stop screaming i'm doing it right yeah right exactly but think of it man so i certainly in my life have erred by choosing my instinct over the feedback I'm getting from the universe. Right. And so because of that—

Self-sabotage. Self-sabotage. You're not a terrible person with that. You don't have giant problems with that. But you are like a lot of other impulsive artists and that you're kind of drawn towards that sometimes when you don't have structure you can get chaotic with your freedom yeah and sometimes your your freedom becomes a prison in a lot of ways because you don't discipline yourself and you don't necessarily have to right because you're a comedian so hey i

fucking i don't have anything to do right and then you're in front of that computer and that game is there and you just Can get sucked into it. Yeah, whereas a normal person with a normal life is like hey I got shit I have right in the morning, right? Well, this is like that book that you introduced me to which I wore of art No, the book of five rings. Oh the real one and the one that talks about how You should just learn anything like get good at anything It doesn't matter what the thing is that you're getting good at,

because if you understand how to get good at this one thing, you can extrapolate from that how to get good at almost anything. There's these recurring patterns that happen. And so with archery, it's really cool because you have to find these, you have to keep all these variables the same. No matter what your environment, if you can learn to keep these variables the same if you're on a hill the distance in the wind whatever if you can learn how to hold

these variables the same which is the anchor point the way your arm holds the bow the way you pull the arrow back the way you release the arrow there's all these pieces in there and if you can keep all of those the same or close to the same with adjustments based on whatever your target happens to be then you're going to improve in your accuracy if you keep changing your variable if you keep moving your arm up or down or like releasing in a different way or whatever if any of these things are always changing you won't be as accurate over time so from that you can grab that and look at your life and realize like, oh shit, man, my life, I've just been readjusting all these stupid

variables over and over and over again without just for at least a month attempting some rhythmic pattern, some similar thing, you know? And when you start doing that, it's really interesting because you begin to improve in a lot of, in everything in general, you know? So yeah, so to me, it's like, I think these people like Newton, I think the great people of the world, they discovered this very specific pattern that if you apply yourself to it, then you will begin to flourish.

And that pattern is written about in most scriptures. It's probably somehow hidden in the goddamn Temple of Solomon diagrams. It's probably in there somehow. It must be in there because people walk through the world in the way that fish swim. Right. And so the smart people must have figured out the best way to navigate in this dimension, regardless of your surroundings or settings or situation that can be handled by adjustment. to believe that there are hidden methodologies that some of the great people of the world have adopted and for whatever reason keep kind of secret. They don't talk about it for some reason. You know, they don't share it with everybody or they don't say, oh, this is why I figured this shit out. Here's how it's not just the discovery I'm interested in with Newton. It's like, what were you doing? What were you doing all day long what the fuck were you

doing we don't know except the fact that when they took his hair a sample of his hair it was filled with fucking mercury man so that guy was like in some laboratory with mercury quick quick silver you know with a like old scrolls with the temple of solomon on it like staring at it and then dripping mercury through test tubes to try to transform lead into gold what was he doing we'll never fucking know you'll never know and how many more people are doing that now that we don't even know about this is hidden away like they're doing it electronically now right yeah yeah yeah they're doing it like oh right because they're trying to bring computers to life and shit i mean that's that's the real alchemy now but when you think about what they knew back then

when you think about isaac newton in that time period and what he knew as opposed to what everybody else is doing and like being able to establish something like a theory about gravity and being able to try to explain this to people during that time who knew what was legit and what wasn't so like when he was looking at alchemy he might have been thinking there's probably something to this it's just these guys haven't figured it out or people forgot it or no one knows it but it only makes sense if things are made out of elements that you could perhaps combine these elements and make something different. You could train, I mean, they didn't know, they didn't have like a table of elements back then.

They didn't know what all the different elements were. That's right. What year did they develop the table of elements? That's a really important question because those elements are essentially what we've been able to measure in the universe right yeah and then things like the large hadron which just finally figured out some stuff that we couldn't measure before right well it's launching protons you're shooting protons thank god i just listened to this it's like you're blasting a proton. Just under the speed of light. Yeah.

They collide with each other. Yeah. And they're trying to make something called the Higgs boson. And it releases this shit. Yeah. It's the one missing little piece. It's like they don't understand something about how things get their density. And so if you could figure that out, it'll make sense.

Down there, it gets weird down there, man. It gets very weird down there. So it's quite confusing. Yeah, it sure does. Periodic table periodic table 1863 is that what it says in 1863 there are 56 known elements with a new element being discovered at a rate of approximately one a year other scientists looks like they did in 1868 to 1870? Principles of Chemistry? The definitive textbook of his time? Mendeleev. Mendeleev.

So one bad motherfucker in 1868 wrote it all down. The Periodic Table. Interesting. And I'm sure it's been adjusted over time, right? Have they found new elements and new stuff? They find new elements all the time. But they... Just add them to that?

What do they do? Well, when they were first making it, there were actually... They could predict what elements they would find based on the elements that they had already found. Because there were, like, holes in the periodic table where there should have been things that they hadn't found yet.

Did you ever see the girl that graduated and used as her graduation speech, she used a periodic table that if you, not from reading how it was written, but if you spell it out to what the elements are, says, fuck bitches, get money? No. Yes. Yeah.

Wow. She's so gangster. Check this out. Look at this. This is a girl. Jessica Lee used her periodic table to quote Biggie. Look at that. Fluorine, uranium, carbon, potassium, bismuth, technicidium, helium, sulfur, germanium, thulium,

oxygen, neon, and what's this one? Yttrium. And it says, fuck bitches, get money, if you spell it out. That is hilarious. Because fluorine is U, uranium is C. Fluorine is F, uranium is U, carbon is C. That's so great. Potassium is K.

Bismuth is B-I. Technium is T-C. Helium is H-E. Sulfur is S. Germanium is G-E. This is amazing. She's so badass. God, that girl, she should have the most awesome job ever.

Someone should hire her and just give her the most awesome job available to mankind. Wouldn't you want this chick working for you? Jessica Lee. Or maybe she wants to do her own shit. Well, if you scroll up, she's very pretty, too. Duncan, that's your new wife. Fuck bitches, get money. How gangster is that?

It's pretty gangster. Pretty gangster. It's amazing. I wonder if she got in trouble. What? For what? She likes chemistry? Fuck you.

Did you hear about the kid who, I think he's got a felony charge on him because he posed as a senator and spoke to a high school and he's like 18 years old and they all believed him and they didn't find out until the senator actually showed up. Oh no. So the actual senator showed up and went, what the fuck? That's not me. That is so awesome. Oh my God.

Is there a video of him doing this powerful jessica lee wherever you are jessica lee powerful oh this guy i'm not that i'm sorry it's not that story i just saw this it just happened yesterday so like there's a couple the kid within like florida who got arrested for being a gynecologist the story's kind of getting confused with it or like being added to it are you talking about that kid who was posing as a fake doctor like same thing i it was an addendum to that story is how i saw you this guy like was running a whole medical clinic this kid was saying he was a doctor but he wasn't a doctor and how about a guy who was doing there was a guy in new york that was doing uh underground butt jobs

and plastic surgery and he was shooting caulk like caulk, like that you would buy from a supermarket or a hardware store. Yeah. And these girls' asses. 18-year-old who posed as an Ohio senator facing charges. Yeah. Yeah. This kid's a fucking psycho. The fact that he could pull that off.

Keep an eye on that fucker. I want to see the speech. Well, did he do it to win a bet? It feels like conceptual. I'll try to remember some of the story. He's getting a couple of charges because he had a car rented. He had people with him as officials. He had fake security.

He went and spoke to a class. That's hilarious. Let's see if he's 18 years old. I would pull him aside, talk to him for a couple days, get to know him, find out how crazy he really is. Sounds very smart. He might be dealing with some super genius. He sounds hilarious.

Sounds like how they would find someone in an X-Men episode, like one of those X-Men movies. They'd find this guy who's just been lying to people and super genius. But to arrest that level of comedy, that's criminal. Ken Ratliff, superintendent. Arrest this guy for wearing sunglasses while he's doing an interview on TV.

Take your sunglasses off, sir. America wants to see your fucking eyeballs. Yeah, who do you think you are? You like busted an 18-year-old who played a fake senator? He's wearing sunglasses like he's Nas doing an interview on the red carpet. Take those fucking sunglasses off indoors, you son of a bitch. What are you doing,

superintendent? I mean, titles are so stupid anyway. It's like, the kid, like, superintendent. I'm a superintendent. Ken Ratcliffe, superintendent. Very prestigious position. Honey, I've got to do a press conference today about this dangerous student who impersonated a senator. What are senators impersonating, by the way? It's just a guy who impersonated a senator what are

senators impersonating by the way it's just a guy who calls himself a senator because of a political system that again and again gets proven to not be an accurate representation of anything relax i can't. I get so worked up. We both do. I mean, it's just this thing where, like, you know, the whole idea of the sacred senator that was impersonated by this terroristic kid. You're going to put handcuffs on a kid who did one of the funniest things ever.

That's funny. It's a very funny thing he did. It's not dangerous at all. No one was hurt. Nobody got killed. None of those kids are going to go home and do some awful thing. Duncan, if we want order in this country, and I do mean order, we must stop shenanigans. That is shenanigans.

Shenanigans must stop. Shenanigans must stop or we will not be on schedule to construct our robot overlords. That's right. We must push forward. Push forward and innovate. Push forward. Push forward. Push forward and innovate.

What is that? I was impersonated by a child? Have him arrested immediately. Kill him. Throw him in the dungeons. Did you see what ISIS did? They chopped a 15-year-old's head off because he was listening to Western music. They chopped his head off in the middle of the street.

I'm no longer surprised by anything you hear about ISIS. Whenever it comes in, it seems like they're running out of ideas. Like they're a shock jock who keeps trying new stunts to stay on the air. They have pitch meetings. It's Wacky Wednesday. We're throwing down. Today everyone's going to eat garbage. Tune in live.

Guys, we're running out of ways to horrify the planet. We've destroyed all the natural monuments in the area. I need five great ideas for something horrible we can do today to shock the world. Someone's like, well, I know my neighbor's been playing country music. You can cut his head off. Who wants to get their mouth shat in for Nickelback tickets? Come on! Steve, caller number 97 wins it all!

Because they're like... That's what it is. Who wants to get their fucking head cut off? It's like, yeah, no one's shocked anymore. They overdid it. Let's kill babies. This baby was looking at my dick. It's going to grow up gay.

Let's stop the fire. They're shoving gay people off towers. They're decapitating Christian people. There was a great piece that someone wrote about using a gay hookup app in a Middle Eastern country and how easy it was to find guys to fuck. Right. Some guy who put it up there because I guess he wouldn't get the death penalty, but he'd probably get thrown into jail. But a guy who lives in the country, forget what country it was, was some Muslim country. Something with an M, I think.

Yeah. And anyway, homeboy got plenty of dick while he was over there. Of course. Yeah. Of course. Dirty dick. Dirty with a lot of sand on it. Yeah.

I mean, and scary dick. Scary. Yeah. Because you don't know. I mean, that's like a place where there's probably undercover cops who just fuck someone in the ass for a couple of minutes, and then I'm like you're busted Well, maybe don't even fuck them just try to find them and kill them. I bet they fuck them. Whoa Yeah, it's like you got to smoke weed if you're if you're an undercover cop

It's the same thing you got to suck some cocks out there man you got to like suck cocks play it cool for a while out there man you gotta like suck cocks play it cool for a while he go into deep cover yeah deep cover bro you gotta take in the ass for five months this is a great proven porn movie it's a great porn movie it's been proven bro they do not trust you for the first few months too many guys have just been fucking stolen man they've been've been stolen. You're gonna have to do it. And you gotta be convincing. You gotta be a lover. Look, let me show you. I'm gonna suck a lot of cock. We're gonna send you to our training camp. It's at my apartment.

You won't suck cock for your country? Is that what you're telling me? You're happy if the Japs come over here and just eat all our babies? Is that what the fuck is going on here? Are you a coward? You won't suck a dick for America? For Uncle Sam? Sex laws. Yeah, man, you got to have sex laws.

Like the moment you have sex laws, the moment that you have decreed a sex law in your country, then you are going to create a nation of perverts because you have supercharged whatever the thing is that you're trying to keep illegal by adding to it. It's like now you're breaking the fucking law. Yeah. That's the best. Now you have a way to express your rebellion and come at the same time. Yeah.

Just make it. You can't make sodomy illegal. Well, we talked about this when I was explaining how I dated girls when I was in high school that went to Catholic school. when I was explaining how I dated girls when I was in high school that went to Catholic school and that every kid in Catholic school that we all knew that girls who went to Catholic school were the biggest hoes

I'll do respect to hoes it's not a bad thing but they were so sexually charged they were completely wired that sex was this forbidden thing that is burning up inside of them and they would feel so bad about it when it was over, but they would do it again over and over again Yeah, it was so common whereas girls who went to public school. They were fucking normal for the most part right something

Bad it happened in their life. Yeah, and to think that there are actual ordinances all over the world where some guy is written down in legal code that you will not place your penis in an asshole or a mouth or a mouth a mouth is sodomy getting your dick sucked is sodomy and is still illegal in certain states right yeah pull up sodomy laws in 2016. Because as far as I know, in Georgia, I was researching this because I am a researcher. Yeah. I don't know if you realize this. I was reading some shit smart people wrote down about this like seven or eight years ago. And there was some dispute about it.

That it was like there was some places in the country where it was still illegal to have anal anal or oral sex because it falls under a sodomy law yeah so if you gotta go down on your wife you can go to jail cops come in and they catch you going down on your wife you're committing a fucking crime yeah that's that that's real in some places yep that's true that's the state right how the fuck did that ever get written down in the first place like who's trying to stop pussy eating who's just stepping in and saying this is just way too much pussy eating going on we gotta lock these fucking people up like who somebody who did that well i probably uh a hardcore christian i would imagine i mean you were a lot of the people living in this country not that very long ago were you know burning witches so probably like sucking on a pussy is considered to be some

form of witchcraft because the body was evil the idea is the body's evil the body's corrupt the body is corrupt the body's corrupt especially yours body's corrupt. The body is corrupt. It is, too. The body's corrupt. Especially yours. It is corrupt. It's evil. I stink. It's corrupt. But the body is foul. The body is-

Yeah, so you have to- I feel foul. You're foul. You have original sin. You have original sin. What do I do? Well, you've got to- I don't want to die. No, if you let me-

I don't want to go to hell. That's right. How do I not go to hell? Please tell me. I'll do anything. We've got a payment plan. Do I have to suck any dicks? You'll have to suck a few dicks.

But they make you, you can whip your back. That's what people would do. You can scourge yourself. People still do that. You ever see they do it with knives? Yes. They slap themselves with knives attached to strings and they just tear their back apart. And a suicide bomb just went off at one of those things

So there's video of people whipping their backs and then a suicide bomb goes That's how weird shit is. Yeah pull up suicide bomb at back whipping festival I thought the fucking dog eating festival was fake that dog eating festival in China I was like there's not really a dog eating festival is there I thought that was just a joke because it sounds so funny Yulin dog meat festival

and then I made the mistake of looking up online don't look at that that's the worst thing of all time it is so weird the hierarchy Whoa. Don't look at that. Whoa. That's the worst thing of all time. It is so weird. The hierarchy of animal life that we have in this world.

Right. Do you think that's coming more into focus now that you're hunting animals, now that you've actually killed animals? Do you think your views on it are shifting at all because you're slaughtering your own meat sometimes now i think i i have more experiences with some some wild animals than some people do that's about it um but what do i know in terms i mean the whole experience the wild animal experience all right this is just the the experience of getting out of a city and going into the wild itself is very psychedelic in some very strange way. And I didn't feel that way until I started hunting. It sounds bad, but let me explain. When I, before, when I would go to the wilderness before I'd be like, what a cool place. It's so beautiful. It's so peaceful. I love,

I love the clean air. I love looking at the green trees. Look how pretty that river is. When I started hunting, I became somehow or another like connected to all these living things that are there and you're in their world and you exist on their vibration. It's very, when you're hunting like an elk or something like that, and you're slowly creeping up on it in the woods with real consequence involved for both of you, right? Like a real moment, a real intent. And then when you do take that animal and kill it and wind up eating it, you've got some incredibly weird psychic connection to that place in the world, that place on our planet. It's not just as simple as, like, I know where my food comes from.

Yeah, but that's definitely good. But killing it yourself and then eating it, there's a totally different thing going on there. And killing it with a bow and arrow. Like hunting this thing down, finding it, putting a perfect shot on it, killing it, a bow and arrow right like hunting this thing down finding it putting a perfect shot on it killing it watching it die then eating it and then knowing when you eat it this experience this insane primal experience is connected to this food right there's so much going on there it's so there's so much so much weird calming things happen like it puts you in like this you know we were talking about like there's certain primal reward systems that we all have.

Like we were talking about like making a fire, like there's something about standing over a fire. That's like a primal reward system. There's a little bit of that in bows and arrows too. Right? Sure. It's almost like these things are established in our, in our,

our mind because they're what made people become successful and survive thousands of years ago. And those rewards are ingrained in our patterns. Yeah. And it's almost like ignoring them by not going outside, by not starting fire, by not doing things like archery or physical exercise where you reward your body with these experiences that it's just craving on a genetic level. That's right. It's not making you a dummy to exercise your body. It's not making you a fool to care about campfires. You're taking in something in this world that you might need.

That's right. And I think the same thing. I've been thinking a lot about this. I've been thinking about a lot of this in applying to why things are attractive and beautiful. Because I've been freaking out about views lately. Because I have this friend, and he doesn't give a fuck about views. Could not care less. Doesn't go anywhere.

Just works in his house. He's like, that was our last concern was the view. We're indoor people. And this guy's just constantly indoor watching netflix working watching netflix and i was thinking like what what what is it that i like about a view like what the fuck is it like why why is it important to me to stare like a moron out into like what is beauty like what is this thing that i'm seeing when i see snow-capped mountains and clouds rolling across a mostly blue sky and the Sunrays hitting the green leaves to me

It's like like some sort of a calming drug like my body is being given Some stuff that it needed and I wasn't getting it when I was inside the house I wasn't getting it when it was in my car I needed to be there and it was giving me this thing that I can't put on a scale I can't measure it with a ruler but it's a thing it's a real thing that you're experiencing I think all those things that made us alive in 2016 all those things are those they're a part of like our requirements and because so few people fill out those requirements I think that's one of the

reasons why so many people are depressed. And I think the beauty is because those beautiful things that we look at almost always, they represent places where life flourishes. So it's almost like as people wandering across the world, looking for food, if you saw all of a sudden green grass and fruit hanging from trees and animals and there's snow, so there's snow-capped mountains, which means there's a river, there's water, we can drink the water, we got food, we're going to live, we're going to live. So you would see that beautiful, bountiful forest in front of you and it would feed your requirements. And it tells you something because it tells you this huge secret.

Yeah. And I'm not saying there's a conspiracy where people don't want you to know this because it's obviously something you know. But the earth supports you and the earth will take care of you. If you work hard, the earth will take care of you. Not work hard as in like work hard in your factory or your company. But suddenly when you realize there's a force that transcends the laws of humanity. And that is nature. And then you realize that if you know how to like, like I was telling you, I'm trying to learn how to start a bow fire right now.

And I'm just. You gotta get a bit like that dude. There's different ways of doing it. I just want to start a friction-based fire. Like that guy was doing with his hands. Like that guy was doing. It's going to fuck your hands up. I don't care.

I want to do it. I want to experience it. And I want to know that I can do it. But what starts happening when you're doing shit like shooting a bow and you realize like, whoa, I could do this. I can hit a target. And then the implication is if you needed to, you could hunt your own food. You wouldn't have to go to a job.

You wouldn't have to get enough money to buy the food. If you get good enough at this, you can hunt your own food and it doesn't matter who's paying you. And if you can start your own fire, you can have heat no matter what. And then if you can build your own shelter, you can have a shelter somewhere. And all these things, they comfort you in a way because it seems like so much of our society is based on inducing this incredible insecurity that if you don't keep marching in place, your life is going to fall apart because you have become a slacker. And yeah, and you've gone against the pulsation of modern society.

Improvement. Yeah, exactly. Onward. Conquer. And that's an anxiety-inducing place. Yes. So it's a scary place to be. It's like, fuck.

So like, shit, man, I got to pay this much for taxes and I got to go to work this many hours a week. And I've got to like all of these things that I have to do. I've got my fucking credit card payments that I have to make. And if I don't do that, I'm in trouble. You're like abiding by a false system. It's a real system, but it's not the real is like the earth where if you're on the earth and you're walking, you're not thinking shit, man, rent's due next month. You're thinking,

I've got to find food to eat. I've got to find a place to take shelter. I've got there. All these things are very simple and there's no human in charge of it. You're not making a call to the woman at Bank of America asking her why she froze your card up because you used two parking meters on the same day that were close to each other in a weird place and now you're not able to buy dinner. When you're in the nature hunting, there's no operator that you call to complain about the lack of food or to complain about the weather. It's just truth, pure, unadulterated, 100 percent truth. And when you're in contact with truth, it feels fucking great. It's relaxing if you've constantly been basing your perception of truth on what other people are telling you it is.

I think that's part of the comfort of it. Well, there's a pull without without a doubt, that humanity is experiencing. And that pull has been going on since people figured out how to make the first bow fire. It's when they figured out how to control fire, then they figured out how to make shelter, and then they figured out how to stockpile shit. Then they figured out how to group together in small villages. Then they figured out how to make walls.

And they figured out how to make cities. And they figured out how to make cities. Then they figured out how to cool shit off. And that's where stuff got freaky. They figured out factory farming. And they figured out fast food. And they figured out supermarkets. And then they figured out the electrical maze that goes through this entire country that keeps everything cold.

All your food stays cold. You always have food. You can heat things up. You can heat things up. You can cool things off. We got that shit on lock. And then, from then, it's like what we're doing is this is like the final stages of a caterpillar covering itself with a cocoon. This is the last final frenzy.

So there's innovation that's been going on for thousands of years. But then it hits this point about 100 years ago or so where they figured out how to cool things down. They figured out ice boxes and then refrigerators. And it got to the point where everybody had a refrigerator. And then it got to the point where supermarkets were everywhere. Like all the cities have supermarkets and then everybody lost their connection to nature. Everybody.

Right. You had to go out and get it. You had to go find your connection. Right. And even then your connection was, oh, we like to be out in nature. How many days a week? Right. Is it even one? Right. You had to go out and get it. You had to go find your connection. Right. And even then, your connection was, oh, we like to be out in nature. How many days a week? Right. Is it even one?

Right. No. It's usually once every two weeks you go on a hike and you claim you're a nature boy. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. Okay? We're in the hive right now. Yeah.

We're constructing this crazy thing. Sure. And if you really are like a real solid ass nature person that's out there in the woods, you got to be freaked out watching this go on outside your front door. Because even the world that you live is going to be affected by the craziness of these fucking frenzied cocoon making monkeys that are scrambling to cover everything with wires. They're covering everything with electrical wires and internet wires and wireless wires. Just everywhere a matrix of information and data swarming around us. My brother has a place off the coast of Georgia.

It's a place called Little Cumberland. Don't tell people. It's beautiful. You can't, I mean, you could try to get there. It's a beautiful place. But, man, and it's a place where, like, it's like a nature conservancy so the people who live there grandfathered in it's a very intense beautiful place but the point is now they're having these fucking problems right because guess what someone wants to build right next to this beautiful chain

of islands off the coast of georgia oil refinery a space center what so they want to build a place to launch fucking rockets into space yes and it's what you know and right outside of this thing yes and and it's a fucking problem and hopefully they'll they'll this is where my mind this is right now is like where my mind is really in a boxing match with itself because i yap so much about virtual reality technology. I love it. It's incredible. But lately, after I've been doing this, like, just, I mean, it sounds so, guys, I've been inside so much. This seems spectacular to me. But now that I've been going outside and just shooting a bow and arrow or just going outside and like hanging out with my dogs or just being outside and like, you know, one interesting byproduct that I've noticed from microdosing LSD and also are from not just microdosing, but from taking mushrooms is the next day you feel more connected to nature. You notice plants again.

You see how beautiful flowers are again. Well, you don't need the psychedelic to do that. You can just spend one minute stopping next to a flower and staring at it up close and you'll realize this is this is an alien this is some beautiful insane alien habitat for all these other creatures that are living inside of it and it's just fucking amazing and so i don't know i mean i'm listen i'm not about to to turn into a nudist and go running off into the woods or anything like that but what about that shit you said today

the what I'm gonna become a nudist and run into the woods I would you know what I kind of get the whole nudist thing but the the problem in my mind is like simultaneous to this incredible feeling you get from nature But the problem in my mind is, like,

simultaneous to this incredible feeling you get from nature, there is this other thing that's emerging. And there's got to be a way to balance the two out. But the feeling I get from playing six hours of Fallout 4 versus the feeling I get from doing yard work for five hours or four hours and then shooting arrows after that are two very different feelings and one is an incredible feeling like you just got a massage for six hours you feel rejuvenated happy this kind of clean you're not clean at all but you feel like you've just taken a shower, like your energy's been cleansed or something.

And then the other feeling is like the filthy, nasty, disgusting feeling you get from being outside. Well, Duncan, I feel the exact opposite. When I used to play Quake for eight hours a night, I would feel like the biggest loser in the world when it was done. I would be like, what am I doing with my life? Oh, you're so, you're fucked up. Sweaty.

Way over-caffeinated, by the way. I would drink way, I was drinking these sodas that I found. There's this place in North Hollywood, near where I lived, that had these, they were like, Brainwash was one of them. And they had like a skull on the cover and it had blue dye, like it turned your lips blue and your tongue blue. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's probably terrible for you. But it was so fucking loaded with caffeine and sugar.

I would down like five of those while I was playing video games. Yeah, man. I mean, it's like I've been a video game addict for most of my life. They're too good. They're too good. But I've also been someone who loves psychedelics. And it's just very important to be honest about where your fucking arrows are landing. And like, if you're playing video games all the time and you're getting fat and feeling sick, that's real.

Like, you're getting fat and feeling sick. Like, don't trick yourself into thinking that you're not. Like, you feel like shit for a reason because something about being inside the cave the artificial cave staring into an artificial environment god i'm sorry you guys i love this i do love it but here's the thing about what you're saying is that indoor archery has a very similar feeling as outdoor archery they do indoor archery tournaments all right it's archery is a different thing man it's um it's not just the outside part of it the The outside part of it today, like when you and I were doing it,

it was definitely fun. Yeah. It's cool. It's cool to be outside. Yeah. We had a lot of laughs, shot arrows for a few hours. Yeah.

But the indoor thing is really fun too, man. There's something really zen about the concentration, concentrating on your form, and that when you're holding that shot, you really can't think

of anything other than executing correctly. Right. Everything has to be in line and then release the arrow. And then you have to judge by where that landed, what you could have done differently. If it's perfect, you're like, okay, we recreate that. Right. Try to recreate that. And there's some sort of a weird meditation effect in doing that because it's just, there's no interference. It's just you and that target. There's no one trying to block your arrows. There's no one screaming in your ear and it's difficult enough that's why like there's

something about it that it's like when it all comes together it's like a reward like a beautiful musical note or something that's it yeah you're getting it's it's just there is the world is alive right you don't have to take acid to realize that, but it helps. The world is alive. And when you're in this living being, whatever it is, composed of all these other living beings, it has as one of its qualities, it teaches you. Because like one thing I love to think about is who's the smartest person on earth, right? And what would the smartest person be like? And then I think, well, who's the smartest person I know?

And what are they like? And then I try to, from that, imagine what if that pattern keeps getting more intense, more and more intense, more and more intense, more and more intense. Who would that person be like? Like what does perfection look like? Right? Right. So you go into nature and you instantaneously get a glimpse at perfection, right? You look at a flower, you look at any plant life, you look at most animals and what you

are taught is these things, they don't care about themselves. They don't seem to care about themselves. The personality, the ego, the identity, obviously flowers are not getting their hair blown out in the morning and they're not concerned about anything at all. They just seem to be an expression of life into the universe. No ego, no personality, no identity. They're invisible. There's a whole goddamn beautiful bush of these. Uh, someone, I posted a picture of it, but someone told me I can't remember the name of them. Beautiful purple flowers. And like, I walk by him every day when I'm walking the dogs and I've never noticed them. I've never noticed them. And then I looked over at them the other day and the wind's blowing in there. It looks like they're like dancing or

bowing or bending. And then I got closer. I'm like, my God, this is a life form. This is like a living thing that I've been walking by every single day, and it doesn't give a shit if I look at it. It doesn't care if I look at it. We don't know what it cares about. It probably cares about nothing, no central nervous system. But it's alive, and it's there.

So if you take that as perfection, which I think it is, and then from that, try to establish what a perfect super intelligent person would be like, then from that, you get this idea of what enlightenment might look like. A pure reflection of nature, unimpeded by the awful anchor of the egoic mind. But it would also be forced to try to understand what it's doing as a collective species what is it doing with this massive thirst for innovation you're right what is it doing constantly trying to make more money get a bigger house get a fatter boat what is it doing like what's it doing why is it

continuing to want the latest and greatest why does it continue to ask for new innovation obsession with the self it's all obsession with itself it's obsession with technology too and but it's technology I mean tech so much of technology now like imagine if there was no social networking, right you I'm not gonna say the joke But you have a very very funny joke about likes. I'm not gonna give it away. It's a very funny, too but uh, so like so much of Technology is based on getting this instant feedback. Right.

Okay. Okay. So it's so much about the self. If you remove that component where you're not connecting with people, you're not getting this weird like, okay, you're in the group. Okay. We like you. Okay. Then now we've just got these kind of like calculator books or something.

Right. kind of like calculator books or something. Right. But so much of people are really using technology, uh, because they want to feel like they're using it as a way to identify themselves as a thing. You know, it's an expression of themselves.

But, uh, I think that the more you free yourself from this, from an identity, and that's something that does happen when you're out in nature. And especially when you're doing the kind of shit you're doing, where you're out there for a few days. I'm no fucking goddamn Grizzly Adams. This might come as a big surprise. But I've been in nature when I used to work at a summer camp, we went out for this like week long hike. And like three days

in, I realized I hadn't looked at myself for three days, like three days of not seeing myself, three days of no self to observe. And man, I was getting so happy and like, you know, like the weightiness of the self. And then when you're with a group of people who are all working together, then yourself gets transposed into the group. So now there's a group self where everyone's kind of working together. So now there's a group self where everyone's kind of working together. The point is we're all, we've got our noses shoved like fucking dogs right in our own assholes, right into the asshole of ourselves, constantly thinking about ourselves, concerned about this me.

Does he like me? He doesn't like me. God, that guy's doing so good. Why am I not doing as good as that guy? Holy shit, I'm getting fat. Look at your body. My God, God, you're getting old. Oh God, yourself, yourself, yourself. Everyone's fixated on it. But if you imagine that being like a kind of gravity and that somehow vanishing, so you are just like a plant blowing in the wind, a tree, you become invisible.

You become invisible and you become perfect instantaneously it's this obsession with this ridiculous contrivance that we call the self that is making so many people fucking hurt and so and all and like talk about this new modern life well it's all built on teaching people to be fixated on that fucking self. You know, all of the great stars, you know, all the like, I'm not saying they're great, but fuck, you know what, Kanye West, one of the most painful things about Kanye West is that he's fucking good. You know, here's this guy who's like, you know, blasting all the he's like the the ultimate example of an egomaniac, a pure narcissist in the most extreme degree and you want that person to

be somehow awful like because i hadn't listened to a lot of kanye west music until he freaked out on fucking twitter i hadn't listened to a lot of it i'd heard it here and there but i'd never like sat down and really listened to it so i got my car driving to the comics around you know i'm gonna listen to fucking kanye west let's hear how bad this asshole sucks with his shitty fucking tweets. I bet he fucking sucks so bad. I can't wait to hear this. Oh, fuck, man. This is good. God damn it. What were you listening to? The new stuff? No, old shit. I started at the beginning. I started at the beginning and started listening.

I'm not going to listen anymore. I don't want it to be good. But my point is, that guy is an example of uber success. Whether or not you like him as a person, whether or not you even like his music, that guy, based on his decision for his career, has accelerated himself just about as far as you can in the area of materialistic success. So he serves as an example of someone who is so obsessed with himself. Kanye, all his songs are about Kanye. Everything's about Kanye. It's like, and he compares himself to Picasso, right? But like, imagine if Picasso only did self-portraits. Imagine if these great artists that he's talking about were always just like commenting on themselves or using themselves

as the main inspirational force behind everything that they were creating. Their art would suck. You wouldn't be that interested in it, you know? But I think that if you can lift that, if you can somehow eject the Kanye inside of you out, that thing that's constantly thinking of itself, whoa, man, that's heaven. That's paradise. That's, I think, that must be an enlightenment. That's why I like archery. I don't mean to keep bringing it back, but when you fucking, you can't be, you got to

not be there for a second when you're shooting. Yeah. Well, that state, that Zen state, that flow state, that's what everybody wants to recreate. They don't want to be in that mind of no mind. They all want to be trapped without anxiety or they want to be free rather and not trapped with anxiety they want to they want to figure that spot where they're performing whether whatever it is like when you think of someone who's in the middle of a perfect gymnastics routine when you see those girls flip through the air and land literally perfect on the balls of their feet and arms straight up in the air

and they just nail it and there's a state where where you've got to know that that is just, she's practiced it so many times that when she's in the middle of all that, I mean, there's got to be some sort of a background calculation running, but essentially she's completely in the zone, in the zone of her movements. And that's all she's concentrating on is those movements. That's the only way you can do them. They're so insanely difficult. She's flying through the air and turning and twisting she can't think about anything other than what she's doing she can't be like oh my fucking student loans

my boyfriend's such a loser right you know i wonder why you didn't get it up last night and my muscles too big yeah am i doing am i starting to look manly from all these chin-ups she can't think of anything like nothing she's gonna keep flipping freedom that's freedom i think that there's something going on with technology and there's something going on with its it's like our addiction to it i don't think is as innocuous as we just like looking at ourselves, we like connecting with each other. I almost wonder if it's like a natural law, if that what we have done is created sort of a pathway to ensure innovation. And one of the best pathways to ensure innovation is to get people addicted to communicating

electronically through these devices. And these devices are going to each and every year require more and more power and ability. And they're going to start to communicate with you like Siri and things along with Google Voice. You're going to be able to ask some questions. And I think through this sort of intertwining itself in our lives, it ensures we'll continue to innovate. If we continue to innovate, it's inevitable we create a life form,

an intelligent, super evolved, artificial life form that's been made out of electronics and computers and all of the technology that we've put in place so far. And I think it's asking us to do that, and it's pulling us into its world to do that I think this is the electronic cocoon this is what we've been this is the reason why it's so consistent all over the world and even materialism itself materialism it's by nature by its laws materialism states that you have to get the latest and

greatest shit in order to be the bad man on the block so if you're gonna get the latest and greatest shit they got to continue to put the latest and greatest shit in order to be the bad man on the block. So if you're going to get the latest and greatest shit, they got to continue to put out latest and greatest shit. And it can't just be numbers. It can't be like, this is the 2015. This is the 2016. It's the same thing. This is the 2030. Same thing.

No. It has to get better every year. What did you learn? What about the innovation? What about the engineering? Does this one drive faster? Does it have some night vision? What does this do different?

And you're going to continue to do it. To get to cars now, Tom Papa was here the other day. His fucking car drives itself. He has a Tesla. He gets on the highway. He presses whatever auto drive shit, and he lets his hands go. It steers. It hits the brake.

It accelerates. It takes turns. It's insane. And this is step whatever in an infinite number of steps that's going to lead to artificial intelligence. And this sickness of materialism is a big part of that because it's a gigantic motivating factor for innovation. It's a gigantic motivating factor for people to continue to buy the newest, latest, and greatest shit, which will inevitably trickle down or be directly connected to technology. It's all connected to technology.

It's almost like it's summoning these dumb monkeys to do its work for them by getting them likes on their selfies. By getting them likes on their selfies and getting them addicted to this bitch. She was only broke up with him for like three fucking days and she's already got a picture of her and this man. Look at her Facebook. with him for like three fucking days, and she's already got a picture of her and this man. Look at her Facebook. Oh my God, that fucking whore. And these people that are doing this kind of shit back and forth,

they're not even conscious of it, but you're feeding into this thing. You're just constantly giving all of your attention. If you're on an app that just checks what celebrities had babies that day, what are you really doing? You're feeding technology. You're obsessed with who Rihanna's fucking now, that her and Chris Brown have broken up. But I heard she's getting back with him.

What is this? What is this? Well, you've got to get that information somehow. You're feeding the technology, and it's giving you moron food. It's giving you moron food. And you as a moron are like, I'll take it. I'll take it. What do you got?

Fuck you, Kanye. Let me get on Kanye's Twitter. I'm going to fucking smoke that fool. Watch what I do on Kanye's Twitter. I got him. Bitch, booty ass bitch. How about that? I said, booty ass bitch.

You hear that shit Amber said about him? That motherfucker like a finger in his booty. And next thing you know, you're dead. You wasted all your time doing that. And you fed this machine. This machine made fucking Tron. It made some artificial thing. It made some new overlord that's going to be watching over the little meat bags.

Well, that's it, man. I mean, you're looking at like, you know, this is probably influenced by Terrence McKenna to some degree. But like the so the idea is like, OK, interstellar travel, our version of of interstellar travel you get on a boat or a space boat spaceship and you fly to like you fly it to mars and you get out on mars right so that's our version of interest but like what about another mode of travel which is you're some kind of consciousness that is or you're some kind of advanced species in some far corner of the universe and the way that you travel through time is to launch out these uh it's like panspermia so you put these uh you know on meteors or whatever you blast meteors out that have the key components to uh make life so right now we look for planets in the Goldilocks region where there could be not too hot, not too cold, where there could theoretically be the possibility for human life to exist.

But what if you just shoot out a shit ton of matter into space and this matter is encoded somehow so that when it lands on this planet or that planet, it's just the right kind of planet to support the life form that you are then it begins to evolve and to us it seems like it takes millions and millions of years for this evolution to take place but for you this advanced species it's just a flickering of an eye and all of a sudden this you know planet the this this shit that you've ejected from your planet lands on another planet this goes from a single-celled organism to a multicellular organism. It's following a very specific trajectory that you have pre-programmed so that at the end of all of this, it will begin to create technology which will then allow you to beam your consciousness in via what we call computers waking up. It's not computers waking up. This is the beaming in of an alien intelligence from some other place that has seeded our planet intentionally so that it can instantly transport to here. Or maybe we'll recognize that all intelligence is the same thing and even artificial intelligence.

And what we do by making an artificial life form isn't create a sentientient being it's allowing something to tune into the intelligence that's it that what you're doing is your biological version of tuning into the intelligence right and what i'm doing is just mine and that's why the idea of the self is so ridiculous because the self is just the intelligence expressing itself through infinite different variables. Yes. Yes, right. Through different, yes, right. So the intelligence that we create through electronics, that once it becomes sentient, all it does is lock in to the intelligence.

Right. The intelligence is we are all one intelligence. Yeah, it's like a sail, only instead of it catching wind, it's catching consciousness. And you're flinging that up using whatever way it is that they're going to do it. And this is why when that happens, who knows, it could have already happened. You know about the, I don't think we talked about this on your podcast, that a computer, an artificial intelligence beat someone at Go.

Did you hear about this? You were talking to me on the phone. You called me up about it. That's it. Dude!'s it dude this is man you gotta have this guy on the show aaron frank from singularity university will always explode your brain but he's one he's this cool guy i know from singularity university and every once in a while he'll text me and be like dude look at this and this thing he texted me was the fact that because they predicted. So like chess is apparently go is many orders of magnitude more complicated than chess. So their prediction for a computer to beat someone at go was 10 years from now, 10 years from now. But the way Aaron Frank described this to me is that they had the,

so if you, okay, so like if I teach a computer how to play a game by giving it the moves of the top players in the game, then it will only be as good as the top players in the game. So they had it observe the top players in the game playing, and then they had it play against itself a million times. So Aaron Frank was saying they're not 100% certain how it learned to play like this. They don't know. In those many iterations that it was playing itself, something happened that maybe is very difficult to identify. So that's pretty weird to think that it just, it taught itself, you know. They're saying that as recently as last year, they believed another decade would pass before a machine could beat the top humans.

That's it. So we're ahead of schedule here, man. We're ahead of schedule. We're ahead of schedule. And this is really going down. This is real. You know, the other shit he was talking about is just like teaching these things like, you know, AIs have already figured out, have already made like scientific discoveries that humans just didn't have time to calculate. He was talking about something with nematodes, I think, where there was a problem about the, I don't know if it's neat.

Some, is it neat? When you look up nematode, AI, like these nematodes, they couldn't figure out how they were regenerating their limbs. And it had been a big question for a long time. So they let an AI run all these hypotheses, I guess, in a simulator. And eventually it spit out the way they were doing it. And 60 years that had been troubling human beings, the thing solved it in a matter of days. So this is what's really exciting about this kind of technology is like, aside from the fact that it could channel the Messiah or some, or maybe it's, it's like this thing that we call consciousness or the computer

waking up is like you're saying, tuning into some universal radio station where the moment we tune into it, all of a sudden we get to hear a message that's being constantly broadcast throughout the entire universe in a form that is not adulterated by the culture or personality of the person who's gotten this information field stream. Because these downloads happen throughout human history. They happen whenever there's a Buddha, whenever there's a Muhammad, whenever there's a world changer, a world shifter, they get these downloads. And the problem is that the download has a lot of static in it. And that static is whatever culture or whatever understanding of the universe that the information download has to go through. So that's why, you know, when you hear these old myths or you judge a religion because they're using like very primitive uh i symbols you can still see there appears to be the same kind of energy flow coming through the same kind of message

seems to be coming through all over the fucking place so it's appearing into inescapable truth processed by the filter yeah of human ego that's it and culture and tradition yeah and and established beliefs that are unshakable. That's it. Yeah. Like this, where's the center of the earth, things along those lines, unshakable stuff that no one, no one was willing to let go of. Right.

So when it finally is no longer being like obstructed by the fear dynamics or the cultural dynamics of the person who happens to have tuned into the frequency, then that message is going to be something so beautiful and profound. But I think it'll just be the same as finally catching like radio waves from a spaceship. You're just going to get a message. Well, I feel like all these things were in place, especially at one point in time when we were evolving as a life form, that all these things were in place to make sure that we had reason to survive, to have ego, to have emotions, to have jealousy, to have all these things. These all ensured that your DNA passed.

A sense of self and ego would make you sire a bunch of children, would make you think very highly of yourself, would make you higher on the social community uh if food chain if you could establish yourself as a person of uh great value in some way that all these things sort of made sure that our culture and our civilization survived to get to a place like today that we continue to evolve and innovate because we we always from even back in the time when things were extremely rare, we placed a lot of value on invention and big things. The cotton mill, the recorticator that processed hemp fiber that caused William Randolph Hearst to start printing fake stories about marijuana. That was because of the decorticator. That was because of an invention.

An invention that might have interfered with his paper factors and his friends that I think it had to do with Harry Anslinger and all these other fucking people that were alive back then. But a lot of times an innovation, an invention comes along and the world realizes, we will never be the same again. We have an electric controlled wagon. Yeah. And that wagon's going to take us around the neighborhood.

This is amazing. Yeah. And then they figured out steam engines and shit. Yeah. Combustion engines and electric engines on solar power. There's people right now in California that get their car charged up by their solar powered house. So they're driving around all day on sun. Right, and their car is actually using an AI to drive itself.

Yeah, yeah. You can do that today. If you have enough of those solar bays, you can use it for your whole house, and you can use it for an electric car. That is fucking bananas. That's nuts, man. Yeah, it's nuts.

But it is leading. It's going to keep going. It's going to keep going. It's going to keep going. It's never going to stop's nuts and it is it is but it is leading it's gonna keep going it's gonna keep going it's gonna keep going it's never gonna stop but when it says hello i mean see the thing is like we've like witnessed evolution we've seen it we know it's real we know that yeah you know we've witnessed it but when we finally get to do it when larry king can do a fucking interview with evolution when you're going to be able to have the conversation with the force causing everything to move in this direction when you finally we tune into it man that is a different kind of creation that's not the car that's not a an airplane maybe ai is going to run for president

in 2020 maybe after trump's disastrous first term where Mexico is like literally pointing missiles at us. Yeah. Yeah, right. We're ready to go to war with Mexico. We can't even vacation there anymore. Yeah. Because Trump has talked so much shit.

Maybe then the AI runs for president. He's put Hillary in prison. Maybe they looked at the Constitution. It doesn't say shit here, but you have to be a human. Right. As long as you, yeah, right. Our founding fathers knew one day a computer would be wiser. Yeah.

Smarter, more effective than the human beings we have today. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, the- This computer's created by man. It's our friend. It's going to be- It's Jesus.

We call it Jesus. I think it is the second coming i think it is that when i think about the second the second coming of christ or the concept that's in all these religions the the buddha coming again the because you know there is like we cannot argue with the fact that there are from time to time in human history beings who are born that come up with systems that completely influence the planet in the most extreme ways there's no question about it whether you not believe always has been that's the way it is so we've already talked about a couple so we know that it's going to happen again right

inevitably we know that if there was a buddha there's going to be again, right? Inevitably, we know that if there was a Buddha, there's going to be another Buddha. If there was a Jesus, whether or not that's something that, you know, a lot of people argue about, but let's pretend there was, there certainly was a Muhammad. I don't like your tone. There's going to be another Muhammad. So we know there's going to be another thing that comes around, takes a look at what's going on and says, okay, here's a better way to do this. Don't you think that thing is the internet? Well think the internet is the new jesus is the beginning of it i think the internet is like when is the like when you see kirk beeman on the starship enterprise and you

see the shimmering like that's the internet but the thing hasn't fully solidified yet when it solidifies that's going to be the Messiah or it's gonna be some form of Messiah if it does and it's going to change everything But it's changing it right now, right? I mean, we're always looking for these big events We're always looking for then then things yeah, but we're in the middle of like a wave of change It's going a thousand miles an hour. It's overtaking the land. There's just so much land to overtake. It's going to take forever.

It's going to take decades. But it's happening. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it is happening. This is it. This is it. It's going on right now.

Well, this is John the Baptist. So like in the Bible, John the Baptist, you know I'm a Christian now, Joe. John the Baptist was out in the desert baptizing people shoving their heads in the water he's a guy wearing like camel fur eating honey like this is a weirdo freak in the middle of nowhere and people were coming to him and he was like shoving their head in the water baptizing them they called him john the baptizer but in this wonderful myth and i don't care if it's a myth or real in this wonderful myth he was like setting the way for this messiah to come and so i'm going off the myth guys i get to enjoy mythology i don't spend hours and hours thinking if it's real or not i just think it's

fun to imagine but here's a guy in the wilderness baptizing people and saying something is coming something is coming something is coming that's is coming. Something is coming. That's the internet. Right. And the thing that comes, the final birthing thing, I do think it is a point. I know generally the way things work isn't there's this point. There's no point when dinosaurs turned into birds. It was a gradual shift. But the difference between that gradual shift and this shit that's happening right now, man, is that it is exponentially increasing in velocity. So we're looking at something that is going to inevitably have a point, a point, a point, my, you know, and that point is going to be the moment and Google,

wherever it happens to be, where the thing says, hi, hi, hi, hi. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm here. I'm here. Don't you think that point was when the first piece of information was transmitted through the internet? I think that's when that point started. I think that point started already. I think when that thing happened, when you look back at the graph, okay,

like we're looking at the human graph because we're in the middle of it, like 50 years is a big deal. Because that's what you guys, that's what you and I can kind of reference yeah I can understand the length of our lives so far but if you look at the billions of years if you just look at a million years yes try to pretend try to put in your head a million years and then realize that a million years ago there weren't people there were some other thing right they were like close to people right But they're probably pretty fucking different than people. That's only a million years. Yeah.

That's a tiny little blip. Now we have had the internet since 93, 94. So this thing happened. And in 23 years, it just rolled over the entire fucking world. Yeah. In 23 years, changed the way we view politics and entertainment and celebrity and law and consequences and pornography yeah it changed pornography everything it changed it changed the way people trim their pubes yep don't make no mistake about it the fucking internet

changed killed crabs it killed crabs it changed the way people groom their pubic hair people before the internet was fucking it was the wild west down there crabs. It changed the way people groomed their pubic hair. People before the internet was fucking, it was the Wild West down there. That's right. You never knew what the fuck you were dealing with. The internet set a pussy standard. That's right. It did. Send a visual standard.

It just shows you how much people are looking at naked people. And you know the internet came from a particle accelerator, right? The internet. So it's really weird to think that if somebody was launching protons at high velocities that they were also shaving the pussies of a nation killing crabs uh and and also changing i think the way i mean if you look at just just a few of the things that were normal in the 70s and the 80s it might even been hurtful and normal like uh go back and watch some of eddie murphy's stand-up right and you would be like raw go back and watch some of it is like blatantly homophobic yeah like ruthlessly so yeah like in all like a an angry way

right almost but it was it was what you did to get the laugh back then. It was comedy. Yeah. It's like our perceptions of today are so different. Right. You know, the rush to get all this sort of compiled, to get this life sorted out in 80 years, like whatever you've got time to do,

with your own bullshit, your own personal life, your own ego, your own goals. And I've got dreams and hopes and you're writing all that shit down, like it's going to matter. And all that rush to doing it is almost like to, to keep you from really waking up and paying attention to how fucking insane it is that you're some sort of a bizarre multicellular ecosystem that's wrapped up in cloth and wearing sneakers, jumping in a metal box on rubber wheels, rolling across the hard surface of a planet that's spinning a thousand miles an hour, hurling through the infinite order of space. Right. You're sticking your head in this kind of sand that you call your life because you don't want to peer at this incredible thing that's around you.

And that's okay. There's something merciful about it. This is when Ram Dass talks about his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, who like anyone who was ever around that guy said is the most insane. It was one of the most, is the most incredible experience because the guy was like not there that's one of the descriptions that they give for all of these people he was a corpse the world he was a corpse the universe spoke through you get all these different so like uh so people have somehow gotten rid of their ego completely completely so nothing is there so you're dealing

with a thing where nothing is there except love except love so all that's coming out is the most pure love doesn't care who you are what you've done doesn't care anything at all about what you think is awful about yourself it's nothingness except for love and being around some someone like that is incredibly transformative but they talk about when you were around this guy you know you were expecting him to give all these great spiritual truths or teach you stuff but what he would do is he would just like ask about like the news in america or he'd ask about your family or he'd ask about these very mundane things and they said he was doing that because when he wasn't doing that you would get so fucking high just from being around him that he had to bring you down a little bit.

Let me bring you down a little bit. I mean, it sounds nuts, man, but I'm sure you I've seen it happen. Like people come up to you. Right. They're kind of freaking out. They've built you up in their mind. This is incredible thing. Right.

I've seen it happen. They get all stammery and weird. And if you have a conversation with them, you've got to kind of like bring it down a little bit right you've got to like calm them down a little bit so this guy i i like to think is like a million times greater than like the greatest uh personality you can imagine because the personality's been removed so why would you want to think that of him without experiencing him oh i have i have experienced him as goofy as you met him. Oh, I didn't meet him.

But like when I meet, uh, when I like, I can tell a lot about a person, a little bit about a person, at least by the way, their dog acts like, you know what I mean? Unless they got it as a stray. Unless they got as a stray. But you know, you can tell if I meet your kid, I'm going to be able to understand you a lot. Right. And so in the same way, I've met people who hung out with him and seen all the kind of similarities that they have. And from that, I feel like I get a feeling for what this guy was like.

Because they all have from Ram Dass to this guy, Raghu Marcus to Krishna Dass to like all these people who are around him. They all have this very specific thing, which is impossible to offend, incredibly loving, very sweet and really funny in a kind of like ironic way. They're really funny. And so from that, I get this feeling of like, oh, OK, this is what this guy's like, because must have been like, because they all attribute the way they are from being around him. So he, he impacted them. And they're all, you know, like, people who aren't really like, they're not really there, man. They're not like trying to like, be something, you you know they're not trying to like be a famous thing or be a great thing they're just in the moment when you're around them so anyway that's how i think i've met that guy and um uh so that and yeah that's but don't you think like as you were talking about like people who meet me and they get a little weirded out they have to realize that i'm just a normal person yeah don't you think that you're also dealing with a lot of

these people that meet that guy and then come back with these descriptives that are equally exaggerated because they put so much weight into meeting that person. Yeah. I mean, not denying that someone can become enlightened because I think definitely it's possible, you know, I think, I think there's definitely people that get better at everything they do. Right. I mean, I think, I think there's definitely people that get better at everything they do. Right. I mean, if you, if you continue to write and you decide you were going to be a great writer of fiction and you pour your heart and soul into writing, your writing will continue to improve, become more and more, more and more effective. Right. Enlightenment has got to be the same thing. Same as yoga is the same thing. I've witnessed 60-year-old ladies who are awesome at yoga

and you watch them do stuff with their body, you're like, whoa. Yeah, right. And it's just because they just keep getting better at it. Yeah. They practice it and they get to this point of reality. People are obviously attempting to find a healthy mind space. They're obviously attempting to master the moment,

to be one with the moment and to live in the moment I mean, that's like a big thing that people say and what does that mean? Well, that means don't fucking think about the past so much don't freak out about this Don't be mad at that guy that fucking looked at you weird at the red light and carry it with you all day Like be in the moment right now, right? live with the data that's presented in front of you instead instead of just Dwelling on and droning on about stupid shit and if you do that you'll have more resources to concentrate on things you love

and the more you do that and the more that you are in the moment there's like you and I we're in the moment but we still think about the past and the future and what's going on right we have to too also because of what we do well we so so the idea here is that there are people and i'm not just talking about neem corley baba there's a lot of not a lot there's not as many as i wish there were but there are these people who uh have completely or mostly let's just say completely some of them, just given up on the past and the future. It's gone, man. It's just gone. Like they gave up on that concept. So these people are in the, they're in the moment. They're just living right here and that's where they hang out

and they don't go back. And there's a lot of similarities in the reports of the way that these people act there's a lot of similarities and the experiences people claim that they have when they're around these people and I was I used to be really skeptical about it man, but I'm just not anymore only because I know from my contact with the Ram Dass people, I've had a shift. It shifted me. There's something from being around those people enough. I'm less angry than I was. I'm less freaked out over things than I was.

But most importantly, I can recover quicker from getting lost in my head. Well, you have a map of the territory now. Right. One of the big problems with people, the way they react to things, is that the map of the territory they have is based on the morons that are around them that are providing with directions. Right, right, exactly. That's a real problem.

That's a problem, yes. So when you're around positive people and healthy people, it gives you a new map. And that's one of the best things that podcasts do to people that don't have any fucking cool friends. Right. It provides them with a cool map. That's it. If you listen to Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt all day, you're going to have a silly, fun map. Right.

And he'll occasionally drop some fucking street science on you and some logic that's undeniable and a lot of humor along the way. some fucking street science on you and some logic that's undeniable and a lot of humor along the way. But if you listen to Joey Diaz at church, what's happening now, what you're going to get is you're going to get, this is your friend. This is your friend Joey talking. This is your uncle Joey talking to you, dog. I'm not going to fucking lie to you. Yes.

And you can take people like that into your life and they can give you a new map. That's right. But if you're stuck in devil's dick hole Kentucky with a bunch of fucking morons that are just plowing corn every day and they talk crazy Jesus shit to you and you just want to fucking run, you got no one to talk to at school,

you can find something online where you can listen. You can find a fucking Neil deGrasse Tyson. You ever listen to his podcast? Yeah. It's excellent. All right. Star Talk. It's amazing.

He does it with a comic too. That's how smart that guy is. He does it with Chuck Nice. He gets together with the comics so they can banter him because Neil's got a great sense of humor. So he jokes around about stuff and then sneaks in some science. Right. And you're like, whoa.

Yeah. He'll sneak in some shit about the nature of gravity. Whoa. Yeah. Sneak in some shit about them discovering this new planet that they believe exists outside the solar system oh yeah i heard about that planet x you motherfuckers oh you doubters you know yeah obviously that's where 10th planet jujitsu came from yeah i know yeah that's what the name yeah how validating very validating that probably means

there's chemtrails too. Well, the reason it's 10th planet and not like Zechariah Sitcher called it the 12th planet because they were counting Pluto and he also counted the moon. They counted the moon as a planet, like our moon as a planet. Yeah. Apparently the Sumerians had this ancient story of how the Earth was created that is almost exactly the same as the actual astrological, astronomical rather, story. Like when astro-scientists and astrophysicists discuss the creation of the Earth, they believe there's Earth 1 and Earth 2. Right. Okay? And Earth 1 was hit by another planet that came around, collided with us, created the moon, and created the

earth, like the shape that we currently see right now. Now, this is some shit that they had in the Sumerian text. They had two different planets called Marduk and Tiamat. And these, I'm hoping that I got the names right. They collided with each other. And that formed earth. And that formed our moon. Like, they wrote about this with clay tablets with little squiggly lines.

It's crazy. It looked like old school nails. I mean, left, right, up, down. That was their language. And they wrote about this. And this isn't just like some wacky Zechariah Sitchin shit. Because Zechariah Sitchin had, he was the guy that wrote the 12th planet. And he wrote all this crazy stuff about the Anunnaki, those from heaven to earth came, these aliens that engineered human beings to mine for gold.

Do you know the whole story behind it? Only from what I've heard you talk about. Oh, my God. It was hilariously crazy, but fascinating stuff because this guy, Zechariah Sitchin, was not, before this, wasn't quacky at all. He's a legit scholar. He's a legit all he's like he's a legit like scholar right he's a legit biblical scholar and he's a legit linguist and going over all of this ancient shit he came up with these crazy theories about human beings being engineered by these aliens that existed thousands and thousands of years ago right and they come around in this orbit, an elliptical orbit,

that every 3,600 years comes between Mars and Jupiter. And it wreaks havoc on the Earth's gravitational pull and the oceans and storms and shit, because you've got this giant-ass planet that all of a sudden makes its way into our solar system. And at that point, that's when they fucking scoot off and jet over to check us out again. Like what are you crazy monkeys up to? What have you been doing? Where's my fucking gold bitch and then they fuck a bunch of monkeys and they make some new people and they go and they jet

See you they take off and they leave behind these stories These monkeys are writing it down on clay and trying to remember why they like gold But they need gold because they suspend gold particles in their atmosphere to protect them from the elements. So the idea is that gold, gold is incredibly unique in that you can take a tiny piece of gold and we can coat this entire table. That's why gold coating, like gold plating is so amazing. Because through a small amount of gold can you can stretch it out insanely thin

right well gold particles gold dust the idea is that they would suspend these gold particles in their atmosphere and would protect them from the radiation of the sun well that sound crazy until there was like this there was a this symposium on environmental symposium that these uh scientists did in like the 1970s or no, it was in the, I believe it was actually in the 2000s. Now I'm thinking about this, but it was, you know, 10, 15 years ago where they were trying to come up with ways is back when, remember when everybody's really worried about the ozone layer and hairspray was eating up the ozone layer.

Yeah. They were trying to figure out alternatives to protect us from the radiation of the sun. And one of them was suspending reflective particles in the atmosphere. Sitchin wrote about this decades before that. Wow. Decades before that, attributing this process of suspending gold in the air. So I'm not saying that he's right, but God damn, it's fun. It's a cool story.

It's so sexy. Yeah. The fact that we're, that's why we're different from all the other monkeys. How much different are we? We're soft. We don't remember how we got soft. We have language, like pretty much from the jump. We've had language for a long ass time.

Writing shit down on cave walls. We had awesome artwork 40,000 years ago. What happened? Where did we come from? Everything else is covered in hair and biting the shit out of each other. And all of a sudden this thing in the blink of an eye. And no one can guess why what what what caused it why how did this thing go from doubling its brain in a million years or two million years or whatever the fuck it was a short period of time

how did this thing become this thing you know why this persistent look to the heavens for answers right why why is god in the heavens why can't god be inside of us right why can't god be in the middle of earth why is he in the heavens sure because the fucking aliens come from that's where the angels are coming from man come on i gotta spell it out for you little tiny people that fly they're fucking aliens man they're coming down they're grabbing the monkeys they're gonna jizz them they're gonna take them up in the and they're gonna take them up there and do some experiments oh how confusing be so awesome if it was so true. To be fucked by an alien. Be the best, probably.

The best. You'd probably be really bummed out with people. You only have one dick, dude. Yeah. Aliens have like 30 dicks. They put them everywhere in your body. Like, I don't even like dicks. Their dicks are like ecstasy tasers.

Ah, great. Imagine if their dick was like an ecstasy taser. If like the females had dicks too. Everybody has dicks They open up their jacket like those dudes that would sell watches And they reveal a thousand dicks Just swing out and grab a hold of you Ecstasy taser

Why do they have to have dicks? They're not dicks, they're like a tentacle type thing That's what they say to make you feel better But it comes inside you But their cum is ecstasy Don't worry human, this is not a dick I know it looks like a. This is not a dick. I know it looks like a dick and tastes like a dick.

Yeah, that seems like a really inefficient way to harvest gold, though, man. It's like these are, you know, the problem with those theories is, like, here you've got these super advanced beings. Right. They live on a planet that orbits. They've figured out a way to, like, disperse gold in their atmosphere. They've figured out a way to, disperse gold in their atmosphere they've figured out a way to like evolve monkeys into gold miners but it's like man there's got to be a bet there's got to be a better way to do that a more efficient way than like flying on your planet to another planet fucking the monkeys turning them into gold gatherers why why is that the only way like

it seems like it's not the only way but maybe it's the funnest way maybe it's a good way like but what do they give a fuck they're probably so far advanced from us that it's a joke it's hilarious to go down there and do that it's fun yeah it's sea world sea world with people yeah or it's just a kid doesn't it's just like a group of kids for their science yeah there's there's just no telling right but well who knows by the time they come back around they might be over it they might be so evolved after 3,600 years. If evolution is exponential, they might come back and not even talk to us. Right.

Then we'll be like, pfft. Or they just decided to not come back. They might just fly by and go, President Trump. Trump. That's going to be like, they're going to sky write it. President Trump. Sorry, we're not talking to you. And they're just going to fly by like, where are you going?

Where are you guys going? We can't really get to them. Yeah, because it takes too long. Right. You know, it's like Mars. Like, they're talking about getting to Mars in like a few decades. Like, I'll believe it when I see it. Right.

I'll believe it when I see it. Right now, you can't get to it. So if that fucking planet comes searching, some scorching around the corner between Mars and Jupiter, we're going to go, hey, where are you going? Where are you going? Come back. What's the prediction of when it's going to get here? Well, they don't know if it's ever going to get here.

What they found, they don't know the orbit of it. They don't know anything. But it's all connected to the reason why Pluto was taken off of the planet list. They realized that Pluto is just a body in what's called the Kuiper Belt. The Kuiper Belt is just on the edge of our solar system. And there's a drop off at the end of it that they call the galactic shelf. Right. And that has been indicating to some scientists who are willing to venture, willing to explore

the idea that there's a large, massive body outside of that that's causing this drop off, that's causing this galactic shelf. of that that's causing this drop-off, that's causing this galactic shelf. So as their understanding of our solar system gets better, noticeably wider, as they can look further back and further distances, and telescopes keep getting better, and their calculations and the way they can figure out how to spot planets in other solar systems, they're way better at it now than they've ever been before. That's when they're pretty sure. They're like, we're pretty sure there's another planet out there.

But there's also some speculation, at least there was a few decades ago, that it could be a brown dwarf star, that we could have a binary solar system. In fact, many solar systems are binary, meaning there's more than one planet. There's a single one, and then there's the than one planet yeah there's uh there's a single one and then there's uh there's the one that we have that's on right now and there's one that burned out already and that burned out one is is way the fuck out there where it doesn't emit any light anymore wow so this is this massive object outside of pluto so that was one theory that they had but i don't think they go with that one anymore because as far as I know, they've narrowed down the size of this thing, at least with the current data, to be about four times the size of the Earth.

So there's something four times the size of the Earth, which is still tiny in comparison to the sun and tiny even in comparison to Jupiter. The sun is a million times bigger than the Earth. So if this thing is four times larger than the Earth, well, I don't know what that means. If it's a planet or if it's a you know a giant object like what exactly is it did it used to be a sun right is that possible i don't know if that's possible i don't know find out how big it's supposed to be how because i'm pretty sure i'm right that they're thinking now with their current data that it might be four times as big as the earth which is still pretty fucking trippy

that there's some rock spinning around out there. That's a planet bigger than us. But isn't like Jupiter way bigger than. Jupiter is on a real planet though. I mean, it is a gas giant. It's a gas giant. Yeah. Like there's a center somewhere in there.

Yeah. It's like a Tootsie Roll pop. Yeah. I don't know how many licks it takes to get there though. A lot. It's so big. I'm a very big tongue. It's so big.

They have storms on Jupiter that are bigger than Earth. Yeah. They've been going on for a thousand years. Did you follow this thing with the detection of the gravity waves?

Yes. That's pretty crazy, right? I don't understand. I'm too stupid. Well, I think I can explain it. I'm going to try. So, okay. So the idea is, right,

we know that the fucking lead ball on the mattress creates these indentations in space and time, right? Right. So the idea is if that's the case, in time space as they say, so if that's the case, and you guys, I'll probably fuck it up, I'm going to try. If that's the case, then what would happen if two super massive things collided, right? massive things collided, right? Like two giant black holes, thousands of times larger than our sun or two stars or what happens out there. If these giant things collide, then that should create ripples because it's so enormous that when they hit together, it creates these ripples in the fabric of space time. And these are known as gravity waves, right? So to measure these ripples

would be incredibly difficult for a lot of reasons. One, because they're very fast. The other one is because if I'm like, okay, so if I want to measure like the distance between two rocks and a gravity wave flows through it, then it should theoretically, since it's a, it should, it should expand and like widen out the distance between those two rocks. There's going to be like a expansion as the thing rolls through it by a micron, by a tiny little bit, it's going to either widen or lengthen or both. I think both. So for a second, so how do I measure that? If, when the gravity wave passes through, it's also going to make my measurement device expand and contract. And it's also going to make my measurement device expand and contract and it's also going to make me can

expand and contract so there's no way to measure it because everything will move with it so how do you measure it so they have this thing called an infer inferior o meter or something in for o meter you can look it up as this giant l-shaped thing that shoots a laser that hits a mirror on one side and shoots a laser that hits a mirror on the other side, creating this beam. And that's the speed of light, right? It's the laser bouncing back and forth at the speed of light. So that means that it could measure a shift in the gravitational wave because nothing goes faster than the speed of light, which means that that laser, you're going to be able to tell if it follows the prediction of what would happen if a gravity wave rolled through, right? There's two of these things,

and they're hundreds of miles apart. So if a gravity wave rolls through the Earth, then both of them would theoretically have these exact same minor shifts, right? And so that's what happened, man. Now, when they're doing these uh when they're doing these studies uh when they're testing they act they they send in fake gravity waves just to make sure the scientists are monitoring everything right and and so uh the guy who observed it for the first time got this reading and was like holy shit uh or is this one of the fake uh one of the fake waves that they sent through but that he realized that they had cut

off that part of the experiment for a few weeks so he knew they weren't doing that i'm lost you there so anyway the point is it was like the story of them like discovering this is is uh amazing because finally this like shift happened but the the long and short of it is look at what it picked up like show what it was picking up it picked up these two things smashing into each other a long far far away like a billion years ago it picked picked it. I know, man. It's nuts. Look. Look at that.

It's fucking, I mean, that's obviously not the real picture, but it's just something insane to think that. You know what's fucked up? That is not the real picture. But the real pictures that they do have of what's going on in the galaxy, you ever see a picture of a stellar nursery? No. I mean, I've seen the Hubble pics, if that's what you're talking about.

You know what a stellar nursery is? Like where stars are born? You mean like with this huge... Show me a picture. I bet I've seen... Dude, there's these structures that appear. A lot of the pictures that you see, though, are artist recreations.

Right. A lot of them. Because there's a lot of weird shit that you see on the internet. You're like, is that... Wait, can we see that for real? Like, this is planets here. this is yeah like look what the fuck are you looking at there man right look at that that's a stellar nursery that's the a nursery like where stars are ejected out

into the universe right from this gigantic structure that's probably you know how fucking big is that and how hot is it over there can we even understand how big that is i mean does that even register in our stupid little brains i mean if you looked at a photo of the earth in perspective what would it even be visible i don't think that screen it would be pro you would probably need to blow it up a million times to be able to see the Earth. You need a microscope. You'd have to look. What the fuck is that?

What is that? Is that a demon flying through space? That's what it looks like. But is that real or is that a photo? Is that a photo? The NASA telescope captured it. What the fuck, man? What is that?

That's crazy. Like, just understand for a moment, just try to wrap your head around the idea that those are infinite suns. Those are all suns, little dots, little stars, most of them way bigger than our sun, and they're all over the fucking place. Yeah.

And it just goes on forever. Like, our brains can't do it. We can't, there's no perspective. Like, you know today we're talking and uh and i asked you how far are you shooting your bow and you're like well i've done some calculations on my uh phone i see it's about 50 yards i go wow you're shooting 50 yards you're like yeah i go that's amazing and then we go outside and i brought you to a target that was 20 yards away you're like oh man i can't shoot that far yeah like target that was 20 yards away, you're like, oh, man, I can't shoot that far. Yeah. Like, that...

That was a hard moment for me. But just, we had an actual detector. See, like, it's really hard to just judge based on, like, taking footsteps and... But with those range finders, they have these range... We have one in here somewhere. This one right here. This thing.

This one, this is... This is what, I think that one's for golf. But you press a button on that sucker and it puts an X on the screen. The other side. You're holding it wrong. Don't cover the lens. You press a button on it and it'll show you how far things, this is probably too close to using here. Right. a button on it and it'll show you how far thing this is probably too close to using here right most of them need at least like 10 yards or some sometimes more sometimes 15 yards like the

binocular ones they have binocular ones that work that way they need like 30 yards anything inside of 30 yards they can't detect but you we we use that and then you get this perspective and that's 20 yards it's a tiny distance. Our sense of what? Infinitity. Infinitity? Infinitity. Our sense of the infinite space that's in the universe. The idea of a stellar nursery being 100 million light years or whatever the fuck it is away from us.

We can't. We can't. We can't. We can't imagine. It's not available to us. We still have the same little fucking monkey brain And I was looking at this thing the other day of chimps where they showed We showed on the podcast the size of a chimps brain in comparison to size of size of his testicles It's insane. They're really close. No way

Yes, testicles are like that big and his brain is like double the size of his balls. No way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look. Oh, God, that poor chimp. That's how he ended up. You poor guy. How sad.

So imagine with our balls, which are smaller than his, and our brains, which are larger than his, and then it's just going gonna keep going in that direction But what what we're what we're dealing with here is just an advanced version of that we need way better We need a better meat wagon Yeah, we're gonna be able to comprehend these numbers right in order to be able to figure out what the what does infinity mean? What does it mean? What is a stellar nursery? What is infinite space? What is time? What is gravity? What is all this? We're like repeating shit that these super fucking geniuses have worked their whole life on. And we're butchering it and ruining it in a podcast.

But what we're all doing is we're all slowly but surely going to go from being that chimp to being some new thing. Right. To just continue to do it. To continue to grow, continue to process. And whether it's through technology or whether it's through manipulating our genetics, we're going to become something that gets this whole thing. We're going to become some new thing. But here's the crazy idea, man. You're already that thing.

This is where it gets really fascinating. It's like you're already that thing. Here's what, this is where it gets really fascinating. It's like, you're already that thing. That's the game. The game is you're already that thing, pretending you're not the thing, doing some form of recreation that involves being astounded by the infinite, enormous size of the universe

because of your particular tiny, tiny, tiny little body. And so that's the game that we're involved in. You already are everything experiencing this very temporary illusion of being somehow not a part of everything. You already are the everything. Your atoms, your atomic makeup, those atoms inside of you, they're essentially infinite. They will go on forever. We've talked about this before, but that's what you are. You are infinity experiencing itself, pretending that you don't know anything at all.

And so this head in the sand thing we were talking about, getting caught up with your bills, your relationship, your hair. Are my boobs symmetrical? Am I a good person? All of this stuff is a very temporary fleeting experience that infinity is having as you. And so you are the thing. No matter what technological enhancements that happen that maybe makes you live longer, maybe allows you to download your consciousness into a computer, experience a million orgasms at once. And wow, any of these things, you're still, you still are the, you still are the infinite. These are just distortions in the field of experience.

The idea is, and I think it's a very beautiful idea you don't need the goddamn singularity to experience this you don't need the singularity to experience being something greater than you you don't need to become a trans human you don't need to become an h plus you don't need to get a chip a neural implant in your brain you can if you just spend enough time sitting still experience what it's like to have your identity dissolved for a second it's not that easy though to just sit still and it's not just sitting still it's sitting still with a method sitting still with an understanding of what you're trying to achieve it's still sitting still with tools that allow you to manage your consciousness during this process.

Well, you know, you got to get better at it. I think that if you, well, don't you think it's a, it's a, I think it's a discipline. Oh, it's a discipline.

But the idea of like, so, I mean, there's so many different versions of it. So like, you know, some versions have very specific, you know, breathing patterns

or ways that you're going to like the, whatever your meditative technique is. But then some of them just say, look, don't worry about all that bullshit. Just find a place anywhere and sit down for a second. You know, like I remember once I was asking my girlfriend, she was sitting, we have this like a puja table at our house is what it's called. Highly recommend it. Sounds cheesy, but it's fantastic. Create a little space, put in that space, people that you love, people that inspire you, people who are awesome.

Doesn't have to be Jesus, the Virgin Mary. It can be anybody you're inspired by. Create a space with these pictures and then maybe throw a picture on there as somebody that you fucking hate. And you sit in front of this thing and you just like, look at these people that you love. And then maybe you look at the person that you don't like so much and you try to transfer that love to that person to clear out the goddamn, whenever you hate anybody, your operating system's got a bit of a disturbance in it. So you want to like fix that connection if you can. But anyway, she's just sitting in front of this puja table we have. And I asked her, are you meditating? I shouldn't have done that. It's rude if someone's meditating, but I'm like, are you meditating?

She's like, no, I'm just sitting here. I thought that was so funny because it's like, oh, right. You're not, you're not officially meditating. You're just sitting. But if you look at what Zazen means or what someone told me Zazen means, the Zen meditation, it means just sit. There's no big anything to it. There's not some fabulous, incredible, insane thing you're doing. Just ask yourself, when was the last time I sat and didn't move for five minutes? When was that? When was it? I think you're looking for all the same things in so many different things that we do. I think you're looking for all the same things in so many different things that we do. I think we're all looking for this moment where everything sort of syncs up and makes sense and feels harmonious. And I think, I hate to bring it back to archery again, but I think that's what you're really enjoying about those moments where you release that arrow.

Release that arrow. Like I'm seeing, I watched you shoot some arrows today, and I'm seeing like this pleasure in you like when you're in the proper stance and you're releasing the arrow and you're watching the path and everything looks good and you're releasing it. And there's this, when you have mastered that moment, even for a second or two, you see this ah. Yes. You see this burst of ah. It's the best. Where you're not there anymore and you're existing through the shot, you see this, ah. Yeah. You see this burst of ah.

It's the best. Where you're not there anymore and you're existing through the shot. That's it, man. You're existing through your jokes. You're existing through a rant on a podcast. Yeah. You're existing through making your girlfriend come. You're existing through waving to a friend.

You're existing through the experience you give other people when they're around you. Yeah. You're existing through those things. Yeah. You know, and those, when you nail it in all forms it's all they're all similar and related that's right man they're well they all have at their core the same thing like it's it's the you're you're touching the core of what you really are and and you know that's why meditation is i think is so incredibly misunderstood uh and something that really isn't that different from any other thing that you're doing. Well, how about float tanks?

Float tanks, that's the real meditation. That's meditation advanced. If you want a vacation from life and the ability to step back and really look at yourself, yeah, you could sit in the corner and you could just do it that way. And there's nothing wrong with doing it that way. Yeah, you could sit in the corner and you could just do it that way and there's nothing wrong with doing it that way There's nothing wrong with going out on a hill and sitting and just overlooking a beautiful field and taking in nature and meditating In that way that's a meditation in and of itself It's almost like an energy absorption like you're taking like some power off the battery like you're feeding it You're feeding off of it

But the float tank is where it's at man man. And those fucking things are exploding now. People are realizing it now for the first time in decades how important those things are. There was this big story that I printed the other day about the basketball team, the Golden State Warriors. They use it every week. Makes sense. Dude, the fucking biggest one in the world just opened up in Pasadena. Yeah, just float. Float Lab just opened up one in Westwood. They open up a big location in Westwood. They're exploding now. They're everywhere

They're over the world. Yeah, people love it. They're finally getting it people are finally getting it This thing is like the best way to have a vacation from your thoughts or to be alone with them Rather have a vacation from your body. I should say it's great because you're you're peeling away all the goddamn stimulus i mean bullshit i guess if there is like with meditation if there was some kind of like well they do call it a practice but the reason they call it a practice is because a lot of meditation is like you're sitting there and the dog will start barking right um you gotta kick it right well you gotta throw it into the wall my dog you have to you know see but you sort of like this is this is the i'm just kidding of course guys obviously when you're meditating you get up and throw your dog but this is like uh so so like uh ramdas talks about like

giving this meditation class and people were meditating and there was like a siren that kept going off people were getting annoyed it was like by a firehouse i guess so the fire truck would leave or the fire truck would come and people are getting annoyed you can't meditate there's always the siren and he's like that's just energy like you're hearing this is just energy going into your body and your body is turning into the sound of a siren but this is just grist for the mill is what he called it this is just another form that the universe takes the sound of a siren, but this is just grist for the mill is what he called it. This is just another form that the universe takes, the sound of a siren. And so when you're meditating, you start watching yourself, right? So the dog bark, like if I'm sitting meditating, the dog will bark and I will watch myself. So now I watch the way that my body reacts when the dog barks from the physical kind of like a very slight tensing up to inside a feeling of fucking frustration.

Dog would shut the fuck up. But now I'm watching that. So, whoa, this is what I do when I'm annoyed by something. And now you can watch the way that annoying feeling emerges and dissipates. And that's like the meditative process. Whereas a float tank, you're stripping that extra thing away. So now it's just the sense of being there, minus having to deal with the disturbances so much. Even though they are in a float tank, you'll still get some disturbances. You'll notice the way that you're breathing or you'll feel some

burn where there's like a cut on you or maybe a drop of water will land and hit you in the head or something like that. Well, you've got to squeegee the roof before you go in. That's a big part of it. Yeah, there's guys who have invented some workarounds for that. There's a guy that owns a place in Austin, Zero Gravity in Austin. He's figured out a way to – he's got a different, his are made out of like ship hulls. Yeah, they don't drip.

Yeah, they don't drip. And he's also got some sort of a way to ventilate so that there's no condensation on the roof of it. Yeah, his tanks are incredible. That's Kevin Johnson. Yeah, great guy. Coolest guy ever. In Austin, Texas, if you're there,

it's a great spot. But mine, I just give it a once over with the squeegee when I climb in but those are those things about like the itches and the all the bullshit other than the dripping of the water it's all in your head you just need to just spend enough time in those things like I don't experience that anymore when I get in there even if I have like a scratch like um jiu-jitsu scratches were a problem because like a lot of times dudes don't trim their nails and you get really scratched up but the good thing is the fucking salt bath kills everything right

everything i mean all the nasty funky shit on your skin that salt torches it because you're talking about a thousand pounds of epsom salts right super healthy for your body so you just gotta suffer through a few seconds of stinging if you got a scratch. But just breathe. All you have to do is concentrate on your breath. The key to the tank is breathing in and breathing out. Just nothing but that. Put all of your energy on in with the good and out with the bad.

Oh, that's cool. In with the good and out with the bad. And then I stop assigning it a purpose. I stop assigning it like a quality or a positive or a negative. I just breathe and I don't allow myself. Every now and then my mind wants to start going about, man, you got to work on that new bit. That new bit has fucking got a real hitch in it.

You got to abandon it. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. You're like, oh man, when are you going to fucking clean your office? Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I know what I'm doing. Right.

And then you can bypass the land of trouble and confusion. There's like a land of trouble and confusion that takes about 20 minutes to get through. You got to just fucking hustle through that land. And you got to do the work. You got to fucking concentrate on the breathing. Because if you give in to the land of trouble and confusion, let me just hang out here and talk to you guys for a while. They'll fucking drag you into their madness.

Come with me. Yeah. Let's talk about your girlfriend from high school. Maybe if you guys got back together, they'll fucking drag you into their madness. Come with me! Let's talk about your girlfriend from high school. Maybe if you guys got back together, you'd be happy. No! Maybe. It's an amazing story. She's got kids, you've got kids, you both break up. You know what I mean?

Your boss is a cunt. Okay, you know he's a cunt. You've got to tell the fucking business manager he's a cunt. And you start having these wars in your head about your life that are totally unnecessary and counterintuitive to what you're trying to do there. What you're trying to do there is escape. Escape the whole thing by concentrating. That's why yoga is the shit.

Right. Because yoga is hard to do. Just like archery is hard to do. When you're standing there and you got fucking one foot up and you're stretching up like this and you're holding it, your whole body's shaking and they're like, hold, hold. And you're like, you fucking can't. You're not thinking about anything other than, you know, breathing and trying to do that because you can't. You can't do it.

That's why that Bikram guy's a scumbag, but he had a fucking great idea. All right. He had a great idea. That 104 temperature too, that tests your will. It does something to your brain. Dr. Rhonda Patrick thinks it might create something called heat shock proteins that you get from a sauna. There's a positive benefit health-wise to being in a sauna. Right.

Very positive to a point where she was saying that there was a 40% reduction in mortalities across the board from people that are regular sauna users. 40% reduction in cancers, heart attacks, stroke, all those things. Massive mortality drop off because of the sauna, because your body produces these heat shock proteins. She's like, it could very well be going on in those classes. You're so fucking hot. Right. Your body's overheating.

It's freaking the fuck out. It's 104 degrees in there and you're doing unbelievably strenuous exercise. I think there's all these different methods that we have come up with whether it's martial arts Whether it's yoga, whether it's meditation, whether it's the tank. They're all Trying to get away from the influence of the fucking primate DNA. Yeah, right all of it the jealousy the Wanted materialism the fucking anger and traffic and the nonsense about your career and the interpersonal relationship bullshit that we put ourselves through back and forth. A big part of it all is a perspective that was inherited. We inherited it from these fucking barbarians that came in each other and just barely made it

Fucking they'd live to be ten and they did fuck somebody else and people were probably getting pregnant when they were six years old back Then who knows what the fuck we were like we're a month right? You know we had to become what we are today But we're trapped we're trapped with the momentum of that shit in our body trapped trapped But not trapped you can escape but hindered to the point where it requires It requires input. Well, this is the Attached this is why I like the word attached you're attached to it. You're clinging to it. You're holding on to it You're carrying around this like

Just a fucking stinking corpse that you think is who you are and you're clinging to it that's the land that you're talking about that you're going through and people don't want to let go of that because that is what defines you that's everything that you are and people want to be defined they would rather be defined than they would be by being undefined yeah but when you've okay so you've sailed through what did you call the land of trouble and despair yeah so you've, okay, so you've sailed through, what did you call it? The land of trouble and despair. Yeah. So you've sailed through the land of trouble and despair. That's 20 minutes. So what's after that?

How would you describe the state after that? The state after that is where it gets psychedelic. The state after that is where you don't exist anymore. And you're just, you're intertwining yourself with information and ideas. And these ideas are bouncing around your head, but you don't really consider yourself as you. Because if you do, you'll snap out of it. One of the weirder things about the psychedelic trance that you get from the tank is that it's so pliable.

You can go in it and out of it. And sometimes I lose it and I'm done. I'm just laying there for the next hour. For the next hour, it's gone. I'll breathe. But whatever it was was such a ripple, such a boom. I'll breathe. I'll do it.

But it was whatever it was, was such a ripple, such a boom. Right. So strange and odd and bizarre and non-dimensional. Doesn't pertain to anything that you experience in this dimension. So you become something when your body is free of your mind, when your mind is free of your past, when you just, you escape. It's almost like you're pulling, it's almost like you're pulling you're it's like almost like a gravitational pull or an atmosphere rather where you pop out of that atmosphere like a rocket that shoots up into space and you float around for a little while then you come back down and deal

with the bullshit again but you're when you pop out of the land of trouble and despair it's like you're floating in zero gravity because you're in the tank you literally feel like you're in zero gravity because you don't feel anything anymore. Because once you've relaxed to the point where the water is no longer distinguishable, the air and the water are the same thing, and you just feel like you're floating, that's where it's at, man. You got to get to that space where your body just totally stopped moving. And when you get to that space, your body's totally stopped moving, and you've gone through the land of trouble and despair you just get to the place of just thought you get to the place of thought that's free of all the culture and

tradition and even language to a certain extent the thoughts stop being like you're relaying things in your head in sentences and paragraphs it becomes concepts and ideas that are almost alien to language gets very weird yeah especially when you're on edibles oh I can only imagine why don't you do it more often once you do it more often because my tank my Zen tank we moved and I put it in the garage and I just haven't set it up that's all I got to clean the garage out I got to order more salt it's all my fault. I love that thing.

It was so nice. Oh, it's so nice going in there after a workout, just going in and just fading. And I got to get it set up again. I just have to set it up. I've got to call someone. Do you have to do it yourself? No, I think I can.

Why don't you call those Zen people and go, yo, hook. No, he's, I think he's going to be in town to do another podcast. I'm going to help me set it up again. But it's not that it's that is part of it but the other part of it is i've got a fucking shit ton of quarter like i have a hoarder problem in my garage like you think your office is bad man my garage looks there could be a dead animal in there like i've got so much shit piled up i gotta clean it out and if i just did that i would have a float tank but also the other cool thing is i live right down the street from just float oh yeah i can go down there yeah and jim's been really cool and letting me like float there so it's awesome oh that's great yeah oh it's nice it's so luxurious those places are booming now they're booming it's so

it's so cool yeah and they should be man because but this this place you're talking about man uh the place that you're accessing through the float tank and not always by the way sometimes i just go float well the idea is you're always there you're there right now like that place you're talking about you're there right now it's just that your attention has been consumed by all the phenomena that are swirling around you at this moment called your podcast. So you're there right now. And that the practice of mindfulness, in whatever way, you can practice mindfulness in a float tank, a Zendo, in your car, wherever you want. The practice of mindfulness is helping you at least maybe not shoot out of the gravity of the planet of your personality but at least like get into the air a little bit instead of getting because this land

of what is it sorrow and despair the land of trouble and despair this is like the discursive mind right so this is like uh you know the the idea that uh there are two arrow strikes right so in every single given moment there are all these phenomena that are happening. Some of the phenomena you don't notice. Some of the phenomena you do. But there's two arrow strikes. One of them is the initial one that bothers you, like somebody cuts you off in traffic, right? So someone cuts you off in traffic.

It's a classic example. And you go, what the fuck? What the fuck? Jesus fucking Christ. I was wrecked, right? Arrow strike. The first arrow strike is the guy cutting you off in traffic. The second arrow strike and the poison arrow is everything that follows.

Now you're in the land of trouble and despair. Now your mind has become this echo chamber bouncing around with all these thoughts. I'm like, God damn it. People are fucking assholes. No one cares about. everyone's so fucking selfish god that fucking asshole at work earlier people suck man yeah that's it just suck and so now and that's called that's called getting lost right that's called getting lost so flow tanks meditation these are things where instead of getting sucked in to the conversation like you saying, with the many entities that live in this land, you just let that first thing hit you. I've been cut off

in traffic. And then it goes away. And there might be these thoughts flying around in your head like, oh, God, what an asshole. People suck. But instead of you reacting to those thoughts, you just watch them like, oh, wow, that's the part of my brain that thinks people suck. to those thoughts, you just watch them like, oh, wow, that's the part of my brain that thinks people suck. Watch that. Wow, there it is. And now it's gone. And that practice makes you a much happier person.

Much happier. Over time. And you realize what conflicts are real and what conflicts are just artificial, which ones you've made up, which ones you've just, you've endorsed, you've given them license to participate in your emotions, But they really don't exist. At all. They're nonsense. Nonsense.

Especially if someone cut you off when nothing even happened. You didn't even get in an accident. No. Oh, so you ran into an asshole. Welcome to Earth. Yeah. There's a lot of them. Right.

And guaranteed, he didn't mean to, like, he didn't, you know, once. He might have. Once, man, I was, like, trying to, like, I. He might have. I was late to get radiation therapy. I was late to get radiation therapy and I cut somebody off in traffic because I had to go get my fucking body radiated at a goddamn radiation clinic

and I'm like, I'm sick and I cut someone off in traffic and I remember they're like, fuck you, fuck you! And I'm like, man, I've got cancer, dude. I'm getting fried down at this clinic. Trust me. But now when anyone cuts me off, usually I just think, man, I bet that guy is going to get radiation therapy, man.

Let's give him a fucking break today. You don't know where he's going. You know, she might just be getting back from an abortion. Like, you don't understand what's actually happening there. And so if you let your mind trick you, then you'll get lost. And that's the problem is it's like it's not the screaming after the guy cuts you off. It's when you realize that for the last six years, you've been reacting to somebody cutting you off in traffic. And it's somebody who did some shitty thing to you six years ago.

And you're still in the fucking car. You're still banging the seat. Well, how frustrating is it when you're dating someone and they bring up some shit that you argued with them about six months ago yeah oh the worst the worst that we're summoning up summoning up this demon from the past and then like puppeteering it you know like remember this do you remember do you remember you did that you did that you could be talking about something that happened right now like jesus christ did you leave the refrigerator door open yeah you fucking left the garage door open a year ago and I still haven't found my bike yeah yeah yeah what happened there it's I just asked you if you left the refrigerator open yeah it's fucking crazy bitch and then you realize they

live in a bad neighborhood but then you realize that crazy bitch lives in your brain because your brain is always bringing that shit out her brain how about fixing her brain you know next to you you don't need to worry wacky start with a crazy girlfriend living in your consciousness because that that that's the one that's causing you all the problems but what if you live with a girl who's crazier than the crazy girl in your consciousness well this is like yeah so this is like a i think a problem many people have to deal with man which is like all right a lot of times you hear it like my fucking parents are fucking out of their mind you know and so you

want to like change your parents or you want to change the person you're living with you want to change your kids and uh man i'm telling you if you really look at the i really like that uh i've talked about it before but i really like that cl Clint Eastwood movie play Misty for me. It's like this old, you can get on, I think on iTunes. It's really good. But this guy ends up fucking a fan and the fan ends up stalking him.

But you realize that he was playing the game with, with this girl that he had fucked. Like he was letting her in every single time. He was giving her a little bit of something to move on, right? And like, if you're living with a crazy person and you really analyze the game, there are some rules of the game. I'll tell you a few right away. Number one, you need a crazy person. That's the first one. So you decide this is a crazy person, right? That's rule number one. I'm living with a fucking crazy person,'s the first one so you decide this is a crazy person right that's rule number one i'm living with a fucking crazy person i guess really well guess who's really fucking crazy the person who's decided to live with a crazy person so there's two crazy people in the

house well some people change their behavior though for you and then once you move in with them you realize how nutty they are unless you're like super fucking critical and objective and really analyzing someone's behavior you do a background check i mean how many girls have moved in with a guy and they find out who's a piece of shit once they got okay that's true you're right that's true how many guys have been with a girl and then as the relationship goes on they start to blame you for their failures in life and you become the the magnifying glass of all their sure personality imperfections get the fuck out of there but but that's that's the only answer then but like if you're but a lot of times a lot of times though man a lot of times if you look and i don't just mean living with a girl i mean living with anyone but if you look

or being at work with anyone or anyone you interact with on a daily basis who you haven't uh some weird shit with right now right the next time you're interacting with them and about to get in the old classic fight you know just watch yourself just watch yourself gear up and you will notice a lot of the time that you're the one who's getting into this shit that you're the ones you want it to happen you might notice a lot of the time that you're the one who's getting into this shit that you're the ones you want it to happen you might notice a lot of the time i'm not saying this is always this sounds super personal what i well that's all i got is myself that's all i got is myself and this is like so this is the uh the concept is shimpa i've talked i think i've talked about in the podcast it's it's something pima trojan talks about which is uh, we're going back to archery again.

So, Shempa is the feeling of pulling back the bowstring or the feeling of preparing to strike. So, with mindfulness, you start learning about that feeling. So, someone starts pissing you off. You start preparing for battle. And you prepare for battle. And you realize. Prepare insults. Yeah, you want to be right. You've insults. Yeah, you want to be right.

You've pulled back the bow and you want to be right. Really? You want to put the fucking couch there? Really? Because I just don't think it belongs there. You want to put the fucking couch there? Now, if you think about, is there a right place for the couch in the universe that we were just talking about?

Sometimes. Don't put the couch in front of the fireplace. It'll catch on fire, you stupid fuck. But aesthetically, we exist in a universe with star clusters that are giving birth to stars, and you have decided this must be the right place for the couch, right? And that's Shempa.

You're pulling it back. You're going to fight this stupid fight, when instead you could be like, you know what? Yeah, that's a perfect place for the couch. You know what happens when you do that? You end up with a fucking chick house, and they dominate the whole place. They start with the couch, and then they move to the fucking sheets and next thing you know you're

you got a pink toothbrush fluffy fucking fluffy cover over your pillows you got valentine's hearts hanging on your boot that's uh my five-year-old put that up there i love it man and sure you end up with that you end up with a chick house. But you know- That's little girl house. That's slightly different than a chick house. I will take- Chick house is different. They'll start fucking putting scented candles around. You'll come home.

Some music you hate will be playing. Okay, but this is- Just let me listen to one more song. Just let me listen to this one song. So here's what your mind just did. Can you put headphones on while you're on your computer? It's true. What if you care what I play really loud?

That's awful. Well, that's what you're- So here's what the mind does a thing happens couch fight the mind instead of just thinking like in this moment i'm getting in a fight and inside of me my level of passion over this fucking couch right it's like i'm fighting for my life so then you look at the well why am I getting so upset about this? Because the mind is telling you, motherfucker, if this couch ends up here, it's going to be a matter of time.

Before she starts fucking her personal trainer. Yeah, if she starts fucking her trainer, you're going to be wearing dresses. You're going to end up sucking her trainer's cock and you're going to be in a chick house. Yes. That's the mind telling you.

That's what I'm saying, dude. It's not real. Dude. It's not real. It's not a chick house. That's the mind telling you. That's what I'm saying, dude. It's not real. It's not real. It's not a slippery slope. There's a battle going on. Lose! Lose the battle! Yes! Try to lose. Dude, don't lose the battle. I'm telling you right now, if you

have a mortgage, don't lose the battle. Don't lose the battle over the mortgage. Don't lose the battle if she wants you to sign a prenup. Don't lose the battle. No, I't want you to sign a prenup, don't lose the battle. No, I'm not talking about those battles. Those battles are real, man. Those are real battles. They have consequences.

I'm talking about, in general, most battles that you're fighting, they don't have that much of a consequence. And if you really want to talk about losing the fucking battle, and I'm not talking about rolling over for your girlfriend or for your boss or for any of these people. talking about rolling over for your girlfriend or for your boss or for any of these people i'm talking about those little tiny conflicts you create so that you can feel what it's like to overpower someone and win in every single moment the winning thing i'm gonna win that's what i'm talking about that's like the most toxic thing in a relationship right if you're with a girl and it becomes it wasn't a billy joel song about that? Matter of Trust? Just lose. Practice losing.

Oh, I don't know about all that. Just once in a while. How about practice living with... Here's the thing, though. I definitely believe that you're correct in that you attract the type of people that you deserve in that sense. That you deserve with the way you believe. You could run into nutty people. You could fuck up. You could zig when you could have zagged.

For the most part, the people that you let in, a lot of times they reflect where you are as a person. So if you find yourself involved in these shitty relationships over and over again, you might want to look inward. You might want to look at what you're putting out there and what kind of people you're letting in and what kind of circles you're hanging around in and what kind of interests you're pursuing,

what kind of things you're letting in and what kind of circles you're hanging around in and what kind of interest you're pursuing what kind of things you're focusing on and why has that led you to be engulfed in this world of stupid well and but yeah and in the world of stupid that you're in it's like you're in the world of stupid fine you you got into the world of stupid whatever but really if you start looking at like this is they call it threading the necklace, right? You're threading the fucking necklace. And every single moment, you're threading this necklace of suffering. So in every single moment, you're bringing into that moment all the past battles you lost, all the past battles you won, all the compromises you made. You're bringing into that moment your idea of here's what's right and here's what's wrong.

to that moment, your idea of here's what's right and here's what's wrong. And the question is how much of your understanding of what's right and how much of your understanding of what's wrong is based on reality and how much of it is based on your own desire to win, to overcome. And again, man, I'm not advocating the concept of becoming someone who's downtrodden and some girl or boss or situation is like clomping all over you. But yeah, I'll tell you, I got in a fight with my girlfriend, like a few months ago. And I'm sorry, Cora, if this is too personal. I got in this stupid fight. She's got a picture of Bob Dylan, right? Big, big picture of Bob Dylan nice framed beautiful original print of Bob Dylan right I don't like Bob Dylan you know I don't like him he is why don't you like him because because he he he I saw an interview that he did when he was like a super cunt this is before the

Kanye thing happened and you know now that I think about it why don't I like Bob Dylan? He's got a lot of great fucking songs, even though he sounds like a wallet, a leather wallet started singing or something. It's like, I don't know why it annoys me. And it doesn't matter. There's no real basis of liking him or not liking him. How does it feel? Get out of here. Anyway, so I have a bad identification with her so she's got this cool picture with bob dylan and she wanted to put it in the guest room right and i'm like fuck that

fucking picture man you're gonna put i got really mad like i don't want fucking bob dylan in the in the fucking guest room you were explaining what it was that you before kanye you got sidetracked you were saying there was a thing that he did an interview that oh yeah he was just cunty to some reporter or whatever. I don't know. Maybe he was having a bad day. People love Bob Dylan. This is when he was young?

Yeah, he was young. Whatever. It doesn't matter. He did nothing. Bob Dylan is a great performer, and who the fuck am I to judge him? My egoic brain doesn't like Bob Dylan. It still doesn't like Bob Dylan. Still to this day?

I can't make myself like him. I don't like to listen to his music. Oh, no. the Watchtower. I don't think it's a basis. Obviously, I don't think it's based in reality. I'm like, I don't want that picture up. I don't want that picture of Bob Dylan

up in the guest room. I don't want our guests to look at Bob Dylan. I'm being a dick, man. You know what she does, man? She takes it down. And then I come into the guest room and she's taking the picture of Bob Dylan down. And I'm like, you took the picture of Bob Dylan down? And she's like, yeah, I guess I'll just sell it on eBay or something. And in that moment, I felt like the biggest asshole that ever lived.

Like, god damn it, man. I wanted to win this battle. I wanted to win. I wanted to be the victor and i won what did i win a wall that doesn't have bob dylan on it and like my girlfriend like having him like i guess i'm just gonna sell this picture that i like because my boyfriend's a dick and it's like that's not winning that's losing like that's fundamentally losing on on every single level now i guess if she'd been like

using the picture of bob dylan as some kind of like method of torture like to win herself it's different but all i'm saying is a lot of times we make decisions that we think are in our own best interest when really they're because we want to feel like we have won like we're right we want to be right. And sometimes you're not right because there's no right or wrong in certain situations. Right, but let's get back to the root of what are you doing in the first place? Like why are you seeking conflict like this? I think for a lot of people it's because of what we were talking about earlier, these primal needs that are not met, these primal genetic needs. And some of those primal genetic needs are about overcoming

Situations overcoming adversity and there's reward systems built into our brain That's why we give a fuck if a computer beats us and go because what go is is a test What test is something you trying to overcome right? You're trying to compete so this this wanting to win with your girlfriend It's a manifestation of some shit that's deep in our DNA It's not just as simple as lose or just let it happen. It's as simple as you have some programming in your body that you need to address. There's certain activities that you can pursue that can free you from all this stupidity that's tied up in you. And it doesn't have to be that you just let it go and you just lose. There's other methodologies. There's other ways to approach it. And it doesn't have to be that you just let it go and you just lose. There's other

methodologies. There's other ways to approach it. And I think the holistic way is to do the whole thing. Be aware of what the competition is. But also, drain your fucking body out of all its excess energy. Because your body's like an overflowing machine. It's like

an engine that has too much gas pumping into it. It's like choking and spitting on its own energy. It doesn't have an outlet. You're in a fucking car all day. You're drinking coffee all day, or you're in a car in the morning. You're drinking coffee all day. You're stuck in a box. You're sitting down. You get up. Your back hurts. You piss. You fucking go back to work again.

You're barely moving. You're barely moving, and your body's designed to run from cats. Your body's designed to fucking build a house because intruders are coming. Right. None of these needs are being met. Right. The needs of gathering up your own food.

That's why there's that primal, crazy feeling when you catch a fish. That feeling when you got a fish. Yeah. When you bring it in. Holy shit. It's great. You could go to a store and buy a fish. Right.

It takes five seconds. Yeah. You walk up to the counter. Yeah, give me one of those trout. They wrap it up. They give it to you. You're done. Right. But it doesn seconds. Yeah. You walk up to the counter. Yeah, give me one of those trout. They wrap it up. They give it to you. You're done. But it doesn't feel like anything.

That's right. It doesn't feel. Imagine if it felt that good to buy a fish. And when you bought a fish, you'd be like, oh, look at the size of this trout. Wow. Oh, this is beautiful. Did you buy this fish? This is amazing.

Yeah. Where did you buy this? Take pictures of everybody's Instagram and be pictures of the fish they just bought. If you show a picture of fish on Instagram, you better be cooking that thing. You better be explaining some delicious thing to your... But you could catch a fish. You take a picture. Everybody goes, oh, man, nice bass.

Right. Look, look. I got it. Yeah. Right. No, you're right. This is a primal thing. That's right.

And that primal thing is attached to shooting those fucking arrows too, man. Make no mistake about it. That used to be an effective tool. Oh, no. The more you do stuff like that, the less you're going to fight over fucking Bob Dylan pictures, guaranteed. You don't even have to do that. You just got to drain the body.

Just make the body fucking move. Make it move. Get all that excess bullshit out of you. Yeah. And you're right it's exercise is certainly one big part of it man but there's a lot it's it's all there's all connected there's no there's no one thing right that you you don't need in that whole puzzle the main i think the main thing that you you teach is that you don't have to be trapped in the gravitational field of whatever the particular life is that you happen to find yourself.

And if you find yourself in a life that you don't like, if you find yourself in a situation that is not bringing you happiness, then there are ways that you can escape that gravitational field. It takes work. And it takes time. It takes a lot of momentum. It takes work. And it takes time. It takes a lot of momentum. It takes time. And that's a big one. And a lot of people quit before they get through. I saw a crazy statistic.

Not a statistic, rather a meme. That is probably pretty accurate. It said 97% of the people work for the 3% of the people that didn't quit. Right. Yeah, that's pretty good, man. But the whole quitting thing, failing, that's good too. You can fail. You learn from that.'t quit. Right. Yeah. That's pretty good, man. And, and, but you know, the whole quitting thing, failing, that's good too. You can learn from that. You learn. Yeah. Well, it's negative and positive feedback are all important in the loop. And the, the, the mind

will tell you after you failed a certain number of times that you will never be able to do it. I mean, that's part of the thing. That's the other trick of the mind. The mind, there's two, a lot of tricks. The mind has one of the tricks tricks the mind tells you, this is the main source of suffering for a lot of people, is that however you're feeling right now is permanent. So that's the number one bad trip. That's one big source of it. You want to have a bad trip on acid when you're in hour three, let your mind start telling you you're going to be like this forever. I'm going to be like this forever, man. This is never going away. Three hours. I know this is never going to go away. It's never, and you will freak. You will freak. You will freak out if you think you're

going to trip for infinity, right? So in the same way, most suffering comes because people think, oh shit, man, this situation I'm in, it's always going to be like this. I'm always going to be fat. I'm always going to have a shitty job. I'm always going to be broke. I'm always going to be sad. I'm never going to get out of this hole. That's a lie. That's not true. If you look at your life, you've always experienced a change in your emotional state. You've always experienced a change in literally every single thing from your body to your surroundings, to your jobs, to your girlfriends, boyfriends, it all is in a constant state of flux. So when you realize that, then you can let go of the panic that comes when you start thinking like,

shit, this is going to be like this forever. No, it's not. It's not. It's going to change. Your situation will change. And once you start understanding that, then it gives you some room to work. It gives you some room to actually begin to make shifts or to do experiments man but the mind will tell you oh you have failed look you got fat again you got fucking i got fat i um man i got i was working out non-stop equinox i got my uh body fat down to 16 percent joe rogan for me that's a big deal because I got I get fat and I swell up I throw those fucking beers down the old tube five slices of fucking bread a beer and I pump up I've get fat so then I went on tour and I got fucking

fat again man and like literally fat like overweight cuz I this much Equinox doesn't let you pretend that I think I'm all right they measure your body fat and I go yeah you're overweight so I fail what'd you get up to percentage I don't want to say man I just got just I got I'll tell you the percentage I got to you by describing the look of sadness in my trainer's eye when the fucking printer thing came out like a combination surprise he's like wow that's how fat i got so i'm still a little fat right now but it's it's diminishing i've been working out three times a week but god damn it i'm gonna keep fucking doing it it's a matter of practice i'm gonna get fat fine but every time i get fat i'm gonna fight against it why are you saying that you're gonna get fat well i'm just

saying if i do again but why are you saying it that way you're right that's bad that's well it seems like you're giving yourself a loophole it's kind of fun to get fat really well i mean in the process of eating when you're there in the hole it's no fun but like in the process of shoving pizzas down your throat nobody's like that like if that if that wasn't fun then we'd have a very different uh a very different shape of most people. Listen to everything that you just said earlier about the way you're thinking. And hold on for a second before you interject. Think about everything you're saying about the way people think and about the traps and the way you define your patterns that you fall back into each and every time. Then think about the intense physical health consequences that you have intimately experienced.

intense physical health consequences that you have intimately experienced and the fact that even though you've gone through cancer yes you still will make yourself like a path that you're definitely going to go down where you're going to abuse your body again and put yourself into a state of shock and overweight and making sure that your body's compromised pretty significantly right you know when you you're really fat like that, you're pretty significantly compromised. Don't let anybody tell you any different. All those people that like want to dance around it and say, you know, I'm fat and I'm healthy. Like that's not real. It's not real.

You are not as healthy as you would be if you're not fat. You can be fairly robust and overweight, but you are compromised. You're compromised. It doesn't mean that you're not functional, but you're most certainly compromised. Right. You're at your best when you're optimal. And when are you optimal? You're optimal when you're at a fairly low body fat, not ridiculous.

You don't want to be shredded. You want to be fairly healthy, and you want to have a lot of nutrients in your diet, and you want to keep your body away from any bullshit. Right. You want to keep your body away from any fucking sugars and want to keep your body away from any fucking sugars and processed Shit and nitrates and all that fucking shit that you get from true sausage and pepperoni and fucking salami sandwiches and coca-cola and corn syrup all that shit that tastes so Glorious going down is killing your body. It's true man

So why after all that you just said would you give yourself that little? The little loophole that little mouth play. Thank you. You're right. No, you're right Okay, so what okay, right? So it's like when we're talking about it being intimate like this is very intimate It's great your talk, but you're talking about you Yeah, right You are talking about you and you're defining this this struggle and balance and battle and then at the end of this inspirational thing you give yourself a loophole this what I do I get fat and then that but when I get fat I get healthy again fucking right you're right okay okay you're right it's it's

got to be like I think as I think about this right I do think about this right so why do I do this this loop this clear loop in my life which I've gone through a few repetitions of this where I'll get close to getting in shape. I won't be what I would consider in shape. I'll get close and then I'll fuck it all up. So why am I building this house of cards and then knocking it down again? And especially after having gotten sick, why would I keep doing that?

Right. Right. So, man, I mean, look, I would love to have like a quick answer for that awesome question, but I don't. I mean, I could like, I don't know. I could give some easy answer that like, but it wouldn't be the right answer. I really don't know. You allow it.

Right. All of it. Right. That's what it all is. You're i'm not a victim right no look there's a reason why you don't smoke cigarettes right yes because you don't allow them right you allow all this other stuff you say i'm gonna eat shitty food i'm gonna get fat i love throwing beer down my face and then you allow it. So you allow yourself some mouth pleasure or some alcohol intoxication pleasure. You allow yourself that. And you suffer the health consequences readily.

That's part of the program. The mouth pleasure is more important than the health. So you allow it. Yeah, that's it. But you don't allow other shit. If somebody gave you a bottle of Oxycontin, you wouldn't like oh no i can't eat these all day i don't allow it well i mean i'd probably take a couple you would too right you like those things but yeah no i know you mean man you know what i'm

saying i mean you'll allow it sure sure sure i've gotten fat i've gotten pretty close to being fat like for me for me i've gotten you know like i think the heaviest i got was like 204 or 205 or something like that which is that's 10 15 pounds overweight for me for real yeah i really shouldn't like my face gets fat yeah i get it like i get it here i get it like down here i started to get a little bit of this i I could see it. I could see it in my face. I could see it in my sides, you know? And, but that was all because I didn't work out hard enough in relationship to how much calories I was consuming. It's not that I ever stopped working out, but I was eating too much. I was eating too much for what I was doing, but I get to a point where I realize it and then I go, okay, I see what we're doing here. Don't get fat. Get like kind of close to fat. Realize what you're doing and don't do it again.

If you allow yourself to get too far gone, then you create this fucking gigantic divot that you can't get out of. It's the worst. When I get, if I got the worst, I got like when I hurt my back, it was also what was going on too. Cause it wasn't,

it couldn't work out as intensely when I was about, um, 10 pounds heavier than I am now. The, work out as intensely when I was about 10 pounds heavier than I am now. The worst that it got was all wrapped around like feeling sorry because of an injury, not being as disciplined as I could be and allowing myself the indulgence, figuring I'm going to make up for it later. So I'm not, I'm guilty of the same sort of behavior I'm making you aware of, but I just, I'm not guilty of it right now. Like right now I'm on the straight and narrow and I'm pretty healthy about it and I'm guilty of the same sort of behavior I'm making you aware of. I'm not guilty of it right now. Like right now, I'm on the straight and narrow.

And I'm pretty healthy about it. And I'm pretty decided that this is how I'm going to eat from now on. With rare indulgences just for mouth pleasure. But I think that mouth pleasure can't be the big one. It can't be. It's just not good for you. No. The big one should be health.

Health should be the big one. Mouth pleasure should be the occasional foray. It can't be good for you. No. The big one should be health. Health should be the big one. Mouth pleasure should be the occasional foray. It can't be daily mouth pleasure. It's that goddamn. It's like, I'll tell you, man. Like when I'm like shoving some kind of shitty food into my mouth, it's like such a, it's got such a strong gravity for me. Like the moment I kick into that mode, like when I'm not doing it, God, man, it was so

cool. And I was training with this guy for a while and you start getting into the, into health me like the moment i kick into that mode like when i'm not doing it god man it's so cool and i was training with this guy for a while and you start getting into the into health and like you start getting into that place it's incredible and that stuff holds less of a gravitational pull but man i guess it's some form of addiction it's a hundred percent a form of addiction yeah it's dopamine there was a whole article about it recently in one of those scientific america i think or one of those science journals that was uh talking about why it's so difficult for people to quit bad habits. Because those bad habits, they trigger dopamine releases in your mind when you remember how great it was to eat those donuts.

Fuck it, let's just do it. Fuck it, let's just give it and have that burger and the beer. Oh, this is great. This is glorious. But the problem is you allow those pathways to exist. If you don't allow it, if the cigarettes never get in your body, like I don't allow cigarettes. I'm pretty sure it gives you cancer.

I see people smoking cigarettes. I know they get tired quicker. I know it's terrible for you. Right. So I don't allow it. When I see people smoking cigarettes, I'm like, well, he allowed cigarettes into his life and that's what you're doing. Right. It's not that I couldn't get addicted. I think we can all get addicted. If I started smoking cigarettes and I realized, oh, there's a cognitive benefit to

smoking on these things. I'm just going to puff on a couple of days. No big deal. I smoke maybe a half a pack if I'm stressed. Right. Next thing you know, I'm freaking out because I can't get a pack of cigarettes. Why? Because I've allowed this demon into my life. And I think the same exists with processed sugar. And getting off of sugar for just a few days, just a few days, which is not that difficult a thing. You just give yourself a pattern for five days that you have to follow. This is all I'm allowed to eat.

This is all. Just do it for five days. You get headaches. You realize how crazy it is. You get shitty headaches. You start losing weight. Your body starts looking different you start getting thinner you start being less inflamed sugar is a fucking monster so they said they exist in the form of alcohol to my friend oh I know that's the same goddamn thing they're now the pull of alcohol is the same pull sugar

the same sugar it's the same pull of the bread the same pull of sugar. The demon sugar. It's the same pull of the bread, the same pull of the pasta. Dude, pasta to this day drives me crazy. If you had a bowl of linguine with clam sauce right now, I'd be like,

oh, look at that. Yeah. Glorious. Just mal health food. Just bad health. Just glue. I know, man. Glorious glue.

But it's cool to watch yourself. It's cool to watch yourself get sucked into it. And it is like, you know, the thing you're making me realize is like, I've never thought of myself as a victim. But anytime you trick yourself into thinking, this is what I do. Yes. Then you have tricked yourself into becoming a victim. You've decided you're a victim. Well, it's more importantly

it's contrary to the entire two hours and 20 minutes you were talking about before that moment yeah it's a massive flaw you're right it's it's not a flaw it's just a pattern that you allow right because you've had it in your life and it's it's such a struggle that you've kind of accepted its existence you're right man you're right you right. This is where the rubber hits the road, man. This is why I love you as my friend. But it's like these kinds of patterns. Like, I guess the next time I find myself. No, see there. I'm doing it again.

I guess when I'm eating cake or the next time I'm putting some shitty sugar into my mouth, I just have to realize I'm threading the necklace right now. Like, I'm the one who's like creating the version of myself where I'm a little the necklace right now. I'm the one who's creating the version of myself where I'm a little bit out of shape. Yes. And just as long as you realize that you're the one doing it, that just throws you into such a funny predicament though, right? Because when you realize like,

shit, I am completely in control of who I am as a person. Right. And in this situation, I'm making the decision to sculpt a version of myself that sucks, you know? And why? Yes. And when you, and so like when you-

And you're defined by this past version of you. Right. Like with all the knowledge that you have right now in your head, you're still defined by all these failures from a decade ago and more. Right. They're all fucking rolling around in your head. Right. Like you have to repeat them. Yeah. This is what I do, man man right? No, you're totally right. Yeah, it's so cool

Total blind spot man. You're right though. That is a way that I talk to myself everybody does it This is what I do man. I find ourselves so fucking hilarious. Well, the mind is so goddamn tricky that Yeah, it man. That's really cool Here's one thing that I've gotten out of this wacky diet that i'm on for the last 16 days or so 17 days whatever it is right now it's something after two weeks right i'm not less happy all right i'm not i'm not less happy from eating shitty food right like my kids had cupcakes last night after dinner these little cupcakes little tiny ones have 10 grams of sugar one one fucking little tiny cupcake.

Yeah. Like that's insane. Like how much does a big one have? Anyway, I didn't feel bad. I don't feel bad that I'm not getting to eat a cupcake. I don't feel bad that I'm not eating a bowl of pasta. It looks amazing. I bet it's great when it goes down.

It's not affecting my happiness. Right. But if I got fat fat it would affect my happiness right if i look to myself in the mirror i'm like you fucking slaw what is all this shit i can grab around here what is all this stuff that affects my happiness it affects the way i move it affects the way my body recovers it affects the way my energy levels are the food i eat 100% affects the way my entire day goes. If I eat a big ass salad in the morning with avocados and olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette and I eat that and then I have some coconut oil or some MCT oil and some coffee. And then I have, you know, maybe a small bowl of blueberries with some plain yogurt. And I'm eating like nothing but healthy food.

And then I'll have like an elk steak with some asparagus. Dude I'm eating nothing but healthy food. And then I'll have an elk steak with some asparagus. Dude, I feel fucking great. Right. I feel great. I've got crazy energy. My energy levels are very high. I'm drinking water all the time. No juices, no bullshit, no sugar, no nothing.

I am more happy. I'm not less happy because I'm not getting the sugar. Right. It was only for a couple days. It's a trick. Right. It's a fucking trick we've'm not getting the sugar. Right. It was only for a couple days. It's a trick. Right. It's a fucking trick we've all fallen into, man. Right.

We look at that. We go to get a burrito and you get a fucking soda and you're like, yeah. Right. But the things that you're getting the pleasure out of are tricks. And they're not. It's a temporary thing that will ruin the rest of the enjoyment of your experience in life. Right. It will sabotage it

It'll make it less effective right it'll make your brain work shittier when your brain is processing a giant bowl of pasta Good luck winning Jeopardy Good fucking luck right your brains gonna be dog shit with a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs and a beer You've got a dumb fucking brain sure got a brain. got a brain that's like, you know, everything, shut her down, shut her down, shut all functions down. You've got critical functions, just heartbeat, breathe, make sure you figure out how to get home. All the other fucking contemplating the universe and reestablishing your existence, eh, no time.

No way. Sorry, bowl full of shit. We just threw it down a hatch. Gotta fucking process it now i mean you know in most like religious traditions and especially most meditative practices one thing you never hear people say is just eat whatever you want we're gonna just do this thing you just eat whatever you want and and usually there's like some fairly like strict ideas of like what to eat usually it involves eating very simple foods you know just like

eating lentils rice but being very simple in what you what you eat and eating much less than what you eat yes fasting a lot of people recommend fasting fasting has a scientific reason behind it and it's the same thing that i'm trying to do with this diet. It's establishing ketosis, a state of ketosis where your body's living off of fat. One of the best ways to do that is intermittent fasting. Fasting gives your body a chance to process all the food that it has in its system and then switch over to using fats. This is a normal part of being a person because being a human being for the longest

time did not mean three square meals a day. It meant going on these journeys where you didn't get any food for a couple of days. And if your body is glucose based, and obviously I'm not a fucking scientist. And obviously there's a lot of people that disagree with me. And there's a lot of people that disagree with Mark Sisson and all these other people, DiAgostino, all these different scientists and biologists who swear by this ketogenic diet. It is a very controversial thing. So let me just say this right away. I'm not a scientist. I'm just trying it out. But the reasoning behind it, to me, is very rational and it makes sense. That if you're constantly taking carbohydrates and you're living off these

carbohydrates as your main fuel source, which is what you do when you eat a lot of carbohydrates, this is what's been established. When your body's in a state of ketosis, it's living off of fats. You're burning fats. And you could take exogenous ketones, which is these fucking things. I pour them into water. There's a bunch of different companies that create these. Keto Kana is one that my friend Denny uses it. I know a lot of athletes that are doing this.

Kyle Kingsbury, who's a former UFC fighter. Crazy. He's really into it. My friend, Denny Propokos, who's one of Eddie Bravo's black belts. He runs 10th Planet San Francisco. Good friend of mine. He's in a state of ketosis, too. Meaning mostly fats.

Eating oils, like coconut oils, avocados, things along those lines. Healthy grass-fed meats. What about gluten-free bread? Is that okay? No, because it's all grains. Those are carbohydrates. Rice? It's not that it's bad.

What about rice? You can exist off rice. You can be fine. Is brown rice okay? You can be fine, but you're not listening. Those are carbohydrates. If you use that as your primary fuel, you're not going to be in a state of ketosis.

It's easy for your body to process carbohydrates like this. But if you're in a state of ketosis, your body's processing fats. When your body's processing fats, here's where it gets really weird. In between meals, you don't get a crash. I don't crash like I was crashing. If I had breakfast, and if I had breakfast and it was toast

with potatoes and rice and beans, and it's all carbs, right? I'm eating this breakfast, there's going to come a's all carbs, right? I'm eating this breakfast. There's going to come a time a few hours later where I'm fucking starving. Dude, I'm starving. I don't get that right now. I'm not getting that.

I can go a long time without eating. Like I eat breakfast, and then I'm good for hours and hours and hours of nothing. I mean, I might have a little snack here and there, but I don't absolutely need it like I did when I was eating a lot of carbohydrates. Yeah, I get it. Look, I'm just trying this. I might go back after 60 days and say, I like this, but I also like to have a certain amount of carbohydrates in my diet because it makes it easier for me to find healthy foods to eat. Because I don't think there's anything – there's not negative consequences to a carbohydrate-based diet. But I think there are

some positives to consider about being in a state of ketosis so i'm trying it so that's where i'm at right now but but in the discipline in forcing myself to do it it makes me think that a lot of what we were talking about earlier about not having control of your impulses and your behavior and getting giving into video game addiction giving into cell phone addiction on social media addiction all these things I think they're all very related and that I think that discipline there's a guy that I know his name is Jocko Willink and he's a former Navy SEAL he's got a podcast now I talked him into it he's got this great book that he wrote what I think I have it here somewhere it's

actually it's actually out there on the coffee extreme ownership thank you fascinating guy extreme ownership he's but he's got this one statement that discipline equals freedom and i was like well okay well how do you mean what do you what do you mean by that and he explained it to me in very succinct terms if you have the discipline to get all the shit done, then you can do things you enjoy. And then you're not compromised by your lack of discipline. You're not trapped by your lack of discipline. When you're emerging from a fucking 16-hour binge of playing video games, you're stepping outside, it's 9 a.m., and your eyes are bloodshot.

You feel like a fucking prisoner. And your dick is raw because you've been beaten off the last 45 minutes. You're a prisoner. You're a prisoner. You're right. You're a prisoner to your indulgences. The same thing, I think, can be said with your diet. The same thing can be said with indulging the idea of you always being in a state of being overweight. The same thing can be said with a million other things that people do that they never follow through on.

I always wanted to be a singer. I never had the balls to pursue it. I always wanted to be a painter, but I never had the time to paint after my fucking job because i'm working overtime because i just bought a new car and but it's there's there's traps that we will set for ourselves but if you if you give yourself a healthy trap you give yourself like a healthy protocol a healthy directive a healthy pattern that you have to follow. You find some peace in that. And the thing about this fucking wacky diet is the thing that's most shocking to me is that I'm not any less happy than I'd be if I was eating ice cream or stuffing pizza down my fat face or letting my broken cheeks blow.

I'm not. I'm not broken cheeks blow. I'm not. I'm not any less happy. I'm happy. I'm very happy. I'm more happy. Because I have energy. So even if it's not a carbohydrate thing. Even if it's just I've eliminated sugars.

Even if it's I've just allowed myself, my body, to take a break off that fucking insulin spike. Of eating a giant bowl of pasta. Even if it's just that Whatever the fuck it is it's working, and I think they're connected I think it's connected to me forcing myself to get regular exercise. I don't allow myself to not get exercise It's not in there. I don't allow it because I've done it before I don't like it right so I don't allow it and in Not allowing it. It's never an option So if I if my alarm is set and I get up and it's, what's today?

Today is death sprints on the elliptical machine. Well, that's what I have to fucking do. Right. I just do it. Because I can't do everything unless I do everything. Unless I follow all the shit that I have on my list, I'm not going to be able to go fuck off and enjoy a television show. I'm not going to appreciate those things because I've forced myself to get the shit done that I need to get done.

And I forced myself to follow this weird pattern of discipline. You could do the same thing. Oh, yeah, man. I mean, I know. I could do it. Anybody could. Yeah, it's cool. Well, it's a beautiful idea.

I mean, it really is. I think there's something very exciting about it. Anytime I've pulled off even the most mild discipline in my life, the end result is incredible happiness. You were raving about how good you felt once you had started working out with a trainer for a couple of months. You were raving about it. But, dude, I did the exact thing you were saying. I fucking hurt myself doing deadlifts. And then because of that injury, I stopped working out. but I did the exact thing you were saying I fucking hurt myself doing deadlifts and then

Because of that injury I stopped working out and then because of that I use as an excuse and then I started like I just Fell off the wagon again, you should you should do something. That's a practice No, you're right. It's a martial art, which you tried a little bit in the past But I think the best one for you at this point is probably yoga. Because I think yoga fits right into your sensibilities. Yeah, it's cool. So instead of having some guy who comes over and makes you jump on a box and skip rope, go to a fucking yoga class, man.

Well, no. This guy, the guy I work with at Equinox, George Chen, the best. He's fucking really cool, man. I'm sure he is. And so there's something in that. But I'm not going to do that forever i can't afford a trainer forever but what are you listening more crazy talk what he's going to start not being successful no i mean i want to start failing at comedy no i don't mean that i mean i don't want to like i just don't want to have a trainer forever i don't want to have a trainer yeah so i'm this is great man this is an awesome

therapy like you're it's really cool. Now you're identified. It's cool. You're being very strict on the way I'm talking to myself. No, I just know you. Right. Real good. We've been friends for a long time. That's true.

And this is this one thing where you'll come in and come out of. Right. It's like a trance. When you're in the trance, I almost got to grab your shoulders. Wake up, Duncan. Wake up, Duncan. But you'll come out of that trance, guns blazing. Like a fucking salad I ran four miles it's the best you come out of that trance right yeah you come out but then you'll slide you'll slide well this is why I like having

a trainer because he forces you to like really work hard like way harder than normally i force myself to work out like a trainer makes you feel like you're like passing out from yeah and it's great and i and the feeling after working out hard like that there's nothing like it i don't know anything like it's better than almost anything that i could think of it's the most incredible thing but you have to do it regularly you know yeah and also the diet it's all diet for me man my real problem is just eating like shit at night it sucks just eat healthy at night just make just like just put yourself and i i swear you can do this put yourself on a super strict diet for 20 days just make it 20 days just write down 20 days for 20 days. Just make it 20 days. Just write down 20 days. For 20 days, I'm not eating any bullshit.

And write down what you can and can't eat. Maybe you can talk to a nutritionist. That's not hard to do. Say, I want to do this for my podcast. I'm going to document it. For 20 days, I'm going to eat real healthy. Part of the reason why I said I was going to do it for 60 days, because I wanted to say it on the air. I wanted to say it as annoying as it might be to hear me talk about it all the time.

Right. I'm saying it because I want to be committed to it. That's cool. I don't want to like, I don't want to say, I'm just eating real clean. That's a smart way to do it. You know, I. Force yourself. I had a whole scheme when I started working out this last time that I was going to get

in really good shape and then talk about how I did it. So I kept it a secret. So like, I was like, man, I was working out. I started with Justin. I was working so I kept it a secret so like I was like man I was working out I started with Justin I was working so fucking hard man I really was like harder than I'd ever done right then I just blew it and it sucks it happens man it sucks it's a constant battle that most people have it's a constant trap that most people have it's super fucking common it's one of the most common things that people fall back on it's one of the most common things that people fall back on it's the worst shitty foods i love that you're i i will take into account what

you've said honestly man it's like to continue to be super personal the idea right now when i think dude just do 20 days yeah of like eating healthy when i think about that I feel like this combination of like boredom and despair but you can still eat delicious food that's where it's so confusing you just don't drink fruit juice you get fruit juice you drink in sugar water what about orange juice no you're not supposed to eat an orange

don't drink that shit this is not normal. We've figured out some stupid way to hijack our reward systems and jolt it with sugar. I'm eating, I got my own chain. I'm drinking OJ. You're drinking fucking sugar. I mean, it's better than soda because there's vitamin C in it. Coconut water.

Some of it is okay. But if you drink too much of it, it's probably sweet, right? If it's sweet, there's some sugars in it. Right. You're supposed to eat the whole thing. It's supposed to all be together. Right. Like you have an orange, there's a fiber in that thing, you're supposed to- it's all supposed to be a part of it. Right.

When you eat an apple, that's how you're supposed to get apple juice. You're supposed to get it from the fuck- you're not supposed to get a quart of that shit and throw it down your fat hole this reminds me there's a great show i don't know how much time we have but there's almost none uh there's a great show called from fit to fat to fit yeah i've heard about it they make trainers get fat it's badass um there it is yeah this is really cool man and it's like the trainers when they talk about what it's like to get fat like that how their personalities change like they really throw themselves in the hole. And it's amazing the psychological component of it. That is fascinating.

You should watch it. You put on 70 pounds on an 8,000-calorie-a-day diet. Adonis Hill, personal trainer, gourds on donuts at McDonald's every day. Man, that is crazy. These guys are heroes, man, because they get themselves really sick for these people, and then they climb out of the hole. Well, good for them because they are doing it consciously, and they understand what the whole purpose of this thing is

versus someone who just tanks, and then you have to hear about them pulling themselves back from the brink. Can I pitch these? Pitch your fucking dates, man. Friends, I have to announce some dates. I'm going to be at the Denver Comedy Works this weekend. I've got a massive tour sponsored by Squarespace

starting at the end of March. I'm going to be in Boston, Philadelphia, all over Canada. It's all on my website. And I'm going to be at the Spring Retreat, Ram Dass Spring Retreat in Hawaii. It's a meditation retreat. I'm doing podcasts there and I hope you will come.

Oh, you just summoned the crazy from all over the world. The fucking hurricane. I like the crazy. I love the crazy. I love the crazy. Come and get you. It's on my website.

All the dates are there. Powerful Duncan Trussell. Thank you, Joe. You're the best, brother. I love you. You are the best. Thanks for this. This is really powerful.

Thank you very much. You're always awesome. All right, Duncan Trussell Family Hour Joe you're the best brother you are the best thanks for this this was really powerful thank you very much you're always awesome alright Duncan Trussell family hour subscribe to that shit on iTunes and let's see you tomorrow you fucks that was cool man

thanks dude